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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: Re JIM AND PABLO: *What* Music? ;)
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Subject: jim and pablo, the music
>Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:39:45 -0500
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>so, in sum, we might say that there is really about 6-7 minutes of music
>here; maybe 2-3 of it is completely novel. so, over the space of 11 of
>these CDs, we might find enough material for 1 music-only CD...
Hee hee. Now if *this* isn't a case of I told you so, I don't know
what is! ;) (I'm referring to my previous prediction re the likelihood
that Edgar & Son will probably release a CD called THE COLLECTED MUSICS
FROM THE JIM & PABLO SERIES once they've milked the kiddie markets that
the regular CDs and CD-ROMs are targeted at.)
(Just teasing, Lars. Relax.)
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Re: Kraftwerk and 'Mountain Road' (SORCERER)
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Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings all!
Hmm...I don't think that's a sample of Kraftwerk. It's more likely a sample
from one of the four woodwind players TD has used in recent times (Hubert
Waldner, Harold Griessbach, Richie Wester and Linda Spa.) Anyhoo, there's
nothing that really matches it on _Ralf and Florian_ or _Autobahn_, IMHO.
Besides, why pay the royalties when you've got material of your own you can
use? Especially in light of the bands frustration towards synth mfrs. and
sample libraries using illegal sounds taken from them? Just a thought...
goozer
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Subject: Klaus Schulze vs Tangerine Dream
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Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
Considering all the talk about Tangerine Dream
using DAT players in their concerts, I was wondering,
for those of you who have seen Klaus in concert, does he use
DAT players when playing LIVE?
And if he does not would you think it would be better to see Klaus in
concert or TD?
I personally have not seen either, however I would still go to see
both of them if I had a chance. But it would seem that a concert by Klaus
would have more improvisation than TD has now.
Tell us what you think,
THE HIGHLANDER
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Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 4:40
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Subject: Re: CDs for Sale
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Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
Hi Phil,
Sorry but Symbiont is sold. I don't know how you can stand not opening
the cds. That's a looong time to wait!!
Larry
>Hi, Larry. The CD's I bought from you are still under wraps til
>Christmas.
> Oh, the torture!
>
>For whatever reason, I didn't ask you for the Boddy/Pickford disc
>Symbiont.
> You wouldn't perchance still have that one for sale for $7, would
>you? I'm
>sure it's long gone, just thought I'd ask.
>
>Phil Derby
>Portland, Oregon
>
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Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 5:04
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Subject: Re: Kraftwerk and 'Mountain Road' (SORCERER)
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
>
>
> Greetings all!
>
> Hmm...I don't think that's a sample of Kraftwerk. It's more likely a sample
> from one of the four woodwind players TD has used in recent times (Hubert
> Waldner, Harold Griessbach, Richie Wester and Linda Spa.) Anyhoo, there's
> nothing that really matches it on _Ralf and Florian_ or _Autobahn_, IMHO.
> Besides, why pay the royalties when you've got material of your own you can
> use? Especially in light of the bands frustration towards synth mfrs. and
> sample libraries using illegal sounds taken from them? Just a thought...
I suppose I can't give any reply to this until I've heard 'Jungle Jacula'
myself.
> goozer
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring
> at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has
> blurred.'
> ---------------------------------------------------
Thsoe who believe the world works in black and white have been staring at
the continuum cross-eyed for too long.
Gabe
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Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 6:09
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Subject: Looking to Trade
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Really-From: AslanFan1@a...
I'm looking to trade a still sealed copy of TD's now out of print CD
'Rumpelstiltskin' for a CD of any of the following:
Ambient Monkeys
The Keep
TimesSquare
Schmoelling's Zoo of Tranquility
Franke's Pacific Blue & Deepak Chopra (both cds)
Please email me directly if you're interested. Thanks!
-Alan Cox
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Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 6:14
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Subject: Two Cents
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Really-From: AslanFan1@a...
I am not for censorship, I am for good judgment.
This list is getting so bogged down with nonTD content that it's becoming a
bear to wade through. Can we stick to the subject and use private email for
all the chatter that everybody doesn't want to see? I love having this list
as a resource but it takes so long to get through all the static.
I missed part of the discussion, why are people saying THE KEEP may not be
released in January? And where's the TDI release of the Zoo of Tranquility?
I've got a nice Franke poster of The London Concert (signed), a Pacific Coast
Highway poster and a Franke Photo poster for sale/trade, as well as a
220Volts poster. I'd be willing to work out a deal for the CDs
THE KEEP
AMBIENT MONKEYS
TIMES SQUARE
Email me off the list if interested, please!
Thanks!
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Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 6:30
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Subject: TRADE?
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I'll swap the TDI release of Oasis and Tangerine Ambience 2 for one of the
following:
THE KEEP
AMBIENT MONKEYS
TIMES SQUARE
Please email me off list if you're interested.
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Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 6:37
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Subject: Klaus Schulze live!!!
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< And if he does not would you think it would be better to see Klaus
in
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Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 8:28
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Subject: Re: Sylvester Levay
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> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
> own.
>
> You mean you just _barely_ listened to 3 O'Clock High??? Yes, the
> chameleonlike Sly Levay mimicked their sound well, and arguably has some of
> the best selections on the OST. If you like Sly's TDesque synth-scoring,
> you might want to get the Cobra (cheesy----which isn't?----Stallone action
> film) which has three Levay selections interspersed between a bunch of
> vox-pop shit; you should be able to find it cheap, which is good, because
> Levay's stuff will bore your ears off after repeated listens. Levay also
> contributed to the Navy Seals (Charlie Sheen flick) soundtrack. Dan might
> know about some other odd and ends concerning this subject.
>
> E-Man
Sly is indeed responsible for the soundtrack for Airwolf. He has also
done many Television scores (including the early nineties Hardball which
was a great series starring John Ashton and Richard Tyson) & a couple of
movies. He is also responsible for the early 80's TV series Probe as
well as several made for TV movies. His movie credits DO NOT include Cat
People which someone wrongly stated. Cat People was by Giorgio Moroder
(and is an excellent score BTW). I happen to think Levay purposely
mocked TD's Street Hawk era as more of a tribute to TD. I think he did a
great job. Heck, I still can't tell him apart from TD on 3 o clock
high...except perhaps his selections are better than TD's on that OST.
Eli is right about Cobra. His music for that was right on but gets
elderly after a few listens. I've heard Ford bring up the possibility of
an Airwolf OST soon, his electronic era of the series. THAT I'd like to
have.
Regards,
Dano
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Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 5:20
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Subject: Re: Kraftwerk & Mountain Road
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>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
>
>Greetings all!
>
>Hmm...I don't think that's a sample of Kraftwerk. It's more likely a sample
>from one of the four woodwind players TD has used in recent times (Hubert
>Waldner, Harold Griessbach, Richie Wester and Linda Spa.) Anyhoo, there's
>nothing that really matches it on _Ralf and Florian_ or _Autobahn_, IMHO.
>Besides, why pay the royalties when you've got material of your own you can
>use? Especially in light of the bands frustration towards synth mfrs. and
>sample libraries using illegal sounds taken from them? Just a thought...
>
>goozer
Gee...thanks,
Now I know who played sax with Linda on the 1990-UK tour, at least at the
Bristol gig !! How many times I've been puzzling Edgar's closing words.....
Thanks, but....where were you when I needed you !
Cheeeeeeeeers,
Wouter
PS. I just ordered the Jim & Pablo OST. Couldn't resist it !
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Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 10:21
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Subject: Re: Shepard's Bush - Let's move on!!!
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Really-From: TangerineC@a...
Me Too!!!! TangerineC@a...
In a message dated 97-11-22 23:46:13 EST, you write:
<<
For you new list members, there was a 'tree' established to distribute the
1996 Shepard's Bush concert to any interested list members. This was to be
a simple exchange with NOBODY making any profit - just for the fans.
>>
I would like to be included in this tree. Please? Dell
>>
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Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 10:13
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Subject: Re: Kraftwerk
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Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
> Kraftwerk is *not* disco-esque--and it was the stuff from
>before RADIOACTIVITY (1975) that I was referring to, particularly,
>AUTOBAHN (1973) and RALF AND FLORIAN (1974).
Ah, just one point...aren't your dates mixed up? I thought AUTOBAHN was
1974, RALF AND FLORIAN was 1973. AFAIK, the order of the early KW albums
should be:
1: Kraftwerk 1
2: Kraftwerk 2
3: Ralf & Florian
4: Autobahn
5: Radioactivity
And of course, even before Kraftwerk 1, they did the 'Huetter Schneider
Organisation'
Hilmar
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Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 10:51
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Subject: Td Bootlegs
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Really-From: TangerineC@a...
Could somebody please tell me what is on Ratikon and SonambuListic Imagery,
and if these tracks have ever been released in another form? In other
words,if there's a song called Sequence One, does it sound like Phaedra?
Things like that. Thanks in advance. Tom
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Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 10:33
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Subject: Does Klaus Schulze 'play' live?
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Hello,
>Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
>
> Considering all the talk about Tangerine Dream
>using DAT players in their concerts, I was wondering,
>for those of you who have seen Klaus in concert, does he use
>DAT players when playing LIVE?
> And if he does not would you think it would be better to see Klaus in
>concert or TD?
> I personally have not seen either, however I would still go to see
>both of them if I had a chance. But it would seem that a concert by Klaus
>would have more improvisation than TD has now.
> Tell us what you think,
> THE HIGHLANDER
I don't know about DAT players, but Klaus certainly does 'play' live - I saw
him
at Derby Assembly Rooms (a very small, 400-ish seat venue) a year and a half
ago
I was sitting right near the front and got a good view of Klaus' hands (or
as
good as you can get of a performer who sits with his back to the audience!)
However, his playing is solely restricted to adding simple one-handed solos
over
completely pre-programmed textures It was a marvellous concert, but I
remember
thinking that if Klaus had been taken ill an hour or so before the
performance,
I would have been able to play it myself, as long as I could have had a run
through
and someone told me which buttons to press to kick off/stop the sequences!
Glynn
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Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 11:20
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Subject: Re JIM AND PABLO: *What* Music? ;)
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
> Hee hee. Now if *this* isn't a case of I told you so, I don't know
>what is! ;) [...]
> (Just teasing, Lars. Relax.)
yeah, but will you be happy when the *first official* Jim & Pablo
compilation finally comes out 15 years later?
>
> -- Steven Feldman
******************************************************
out to prove that JIM & PABLO was really released in
1997 since I wasn't 'quick' enough to buy it then...
*******************************************************
(relax steve, just kidding ;-)
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 3:59
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Subject: DVD World
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Hello
Guess what I saw today when I got into a video shop...DVDs of True North
and Planetary Traveller! I wish I had the DVD player, though I suspect that
some software enable such DVDs to be watched on a PC.
I also witnessed a copy of the Universal Soldier Japanese DVD. Its cover is
essentially the same as the US Varese Sarabande CD. The label is Pioneer
though I forgot the catalogue no. The price is way high between some USD35
to 40 so I did not go for it.
Hope the above is of some interest,
Jeffrey
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 3:59
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Subject: Night Of The Running Man Pirate Double VCD
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Yet another pirate VCD coming up. This VCD is again from Hong Kong or
mainland China. Does anybody know if the US laser disc has only one cover
(one essentially the same as the CD cover) so far? If yes then the cover of
this VCD is different. Sorry for this rather clumsy description but it's
very hard indeed to describe the covers.
Jeffrey
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Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 2:27
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Subject: LeVay on CAT PEOPLE
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Really-From: 'Craig Shipley'
Dano,
While I cannot put my hands on either the vinyl or the CD copy of CAT PEOPLE
at the moment, I am 99.9% sure that he did appear on that release. He is
credited with Prophet-5, Mini-Moog, PolyMoog, Fender E-Piano and another
keyboard or two. His name is buried in the credits, but I'm sure it is there
(either him or Craig Safan, the 'Confrontation' guy from THIEF. But my money
is on LeVay). This topic came up on this list at least 5-6 years ago, if
anyone out there still remembers. I know I made a post about it right after
I got my CD copy of CP and saw a name that I recognized. If anyone can check
their copy of this more easily than I can (I'll still keep hunting for my
copy, but today is the beginning of vacation and I'm gonna drop off the list
for a while, so...), please let me know if I'm right or wrong.
obCDPlayer / Boots/Boddy/VanDerHeijden: PHASE 3
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Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 2:35
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Subject: Ozric Tentacles, Tangerine Dream link!!!
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Really-From: 'Craig Shipley'
I found a TD-alumni link to the Ozrics while checking out new CD's this
weekend. The synthesist Joie and drummer Merv for 'classic' OT, created a
techno group separate and apart from the OT's called 'Eat Static'. On their
new CD SCIENCE OF THE GODS, they have a guest reed/keyboardist on there by
the name of Steve Joliffe, of CYCLONE (in)fame. There it is, for what it is
worth...
(Didn't buy SotG, Eat Static is not my cup of tea, so don't know if it is
any good or not)
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Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 2:56
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Subject: RE: tour cds
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>>(the 2 posters, the ambient monkeys CD, the Timesquare CD, and
The Keep
>>pre-release CD?) you had previously told me that they had
been sold out
>>but that you would check and get back to me.
>>
>They are out for official release in the New Year!
>so, it looks like the situation is bleak for ANY pre-release /
tour stuff.
>everyone will have to wait until after jan 1...
Lars, does this mean you DON'T HAVE the Keep? Do I have
something Lars doesn't?!?!? Wait, I'm having chest pains!!! :-)
Scott
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> I was surprised by the lack in numbers of lingering fans. Are we too
> shy to hang around? Surely not. I was glad to be able to meet the band
> after the shows for the simple reason that very few others were making a
> similar effort, and in a way we were able to represent all fans.
> Similarly that is why I have written this account, so that other fans
> can share some of the events which took place.
I was amazed reading in your account that you managed to
persuade the management to allow you to meet the band, just
like that. I managed to meet them in Bonn, Germany, only
after serious negotiation with a security person, and I
would certainly not have thought that there was such a
straightforward way of getting backstage.
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>Iīve two question concerning the TD concert at the Reims
Cathedral which
>took place
>in Reims, France, December the 13th in 1974.
>What other artists, musicians were playing there except Nico,
who opened
>the concert ?
Nico was the only one. There is more information in an article
in the New York Times from Jan. 10, 1975, page 23, available at most
local libraries. Can you tell I'm a librarian? The whole story is also
told in my book, Mysterious Semblance. :-)
>Is it correct that it was released on a CD boot entitled 'Live!
>Improvised!' ?
Yes, and it is, IMHO, the single most important TD boot,
considering the importance of the show.
Scott
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1997 virgin records compilation with:
philip glass etoile polaire
tadream kiew mission
schulze airlight
ashra ocean of tenderness
baumann phase by phase
froese specific gravity of smile
franke black garden view
david bedford king aeolus
oldfield taurus 1
faust lauft...heisst das es lauft oder es konnt
bald...lauft
$ 10.00 postage included....trades welcome....tom w
np: pig - a new high in low
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> (Didn't buy SotG, Eat Static is not my cup of tea, so don't know if it is
> any good or not)
Mmh. Maybe you are a bit too old for that kinda stuff ;-) Ouch!
Jens, who get a kick out of Eat Static.
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> In a message dated 97-11-19 07:41:02 EST, you write:
>
> << Iowa (THE CLUB DREAM MIXES) >>
> Dennis, is this an album I've missed hearing about? I am not familiar
> with this one. Dell
The original message from which this is quoted was not from
me, but I can provide an answer anyway (assuming the
consent of the original contributor). 'The Club Dream
Mixes' is simply the second CD of the 'Dream Mixes' double
CD set. There seem to be some countries where the Dream
Mixes were distributed on a single CD only, which might
mean that some of the stuff on CD2 (including Iowa and the
excellent 'Sojus') has been omitted.
Dennis
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Hi
I have 2 copies of 'Cybertracks' Italian Magazines I offer for sale. Issue
no. 7 is called 'Impact' with part one of a KS interview. Issue no. 8 is
called 'Hot Sex' and includes part two of the interview. Each of these
magazines has one compilation CD with it but none of the disc includes any
KS music. Price including airmail postage is USD60 for both.
Jeffrey
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I'm delighted to hear that. Will Mark join the list again?
Dennis
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My girlfriend and I will be up in Ann Arbor, Michigan this Wed/Thursday
and in Toronto Friday/Saturday.
Does anyone have suggestions on music shopping or things to do?
Anyone in the areas want to meet briefly for lunch or something?
Mike J, Chicago
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>Could somebody please tell me what is on Ratikon and
SonambuListic Imagery,
>and if these tracks have ever been released in another form? In
other
>words,if there's a song called Sequence One, does it sound like
Phaedra?
>Things like that. Thanks in advance. Tom
Ratikon is from Melbourne '82, but has other artists on it. SI
is from Laguna Hills, CA '86. Not sure what exactly's on Ratikon, but
the '82 setlist featured stuff from White Eagle and Logos, plus some
unreleased stuff. The '86 tour setlist was: Pilots of Purple Twilight;
Stratosfear; Improv; Unicorn Theme; unreleased tune from Le Parc
sessions; Scuba Scuba; Piano solo (feat. Ricochet & Song of the Whal
pt2); Dolphin Dance; Ride on the Ray; Going West; Yellowstone Park;
Darkness; Loved by the Sun; Improv; Rare Bird; Dominion; Bois de
Boulogne. The last two alternated as encores.
All this information is in my book Mysterious Semblance. :-)
Scott
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>Could somebody please tell me what is on Ratikon and
SonambuListic Imagery,
>and if these tracks have ever been released in another form? In
other
>words,if there's a song called Sequence One, does it sound like
Phaedra?
>Things like that. Thanks in advance. Tom
Oops, I forgot to answer your question! As you can see, most of
the tracks have been released. Ratikon has all sorts of concocted track
names, like 'Teknikon,' but they're just names the bootlegger made up
for existing tracks. They played Phaedra on the '88 tour, which is what
you might be thinking of. There's a boot called Spherical Harmonics,
from New Haven '88, that has it. I get these two confused. Both SI and
SH are the best boots from their respective tours, and highly
recommended.
Scott
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Subject: Re: Reims Cathedral concert questions
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> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
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> Nico was the only one. There is more information in an article
> in the New York Times from Jan. 10, 1975, page 23, available at most
> local libraries. Can you tell I'm a librarian? The whole story is also
> told in my book, Mysterious Semblance. :-)
>
Yes. Itīs also told in 'Digital Gothic', the 'Dream Roots booklet' andthe
'Tangents booklet'.
The question is: what is the following cover text of 'Live! Improvised!' meaning
then ?
'Mot a mot...
CATHEDRALE DE REIMS
VENDREDI 13 DECEMBRE 1974
20 h 45
Musique Action Reims
presente
NICO
(harmonium chant)
TANGERINE DREAM
(musique electro-acoustique)
------------------------------------------
CONCERT UNIQUE EN FRANCE
------------------------------------------
avec la participation attendue de John CALE
Eno et Mike OLDFIELD
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
PLACES; 20F
Tarif reduit 15 F (Adherents) uniquement en location
---------------
Locations: des maintenat A LA CLE DE SOL
place d-Erlon - MAison de la Culture Andre Malraux '
Were John CALE, Eno and Mike OLDFIELD present too ?
Anyone, anyone ? John ? Lars ?
Jens
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> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
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> Both SI and SH are the best boots from their respective tours, and highly
> recommended.
>
> Scott
Wot ? SI highly recommended ? Dunno SH but SI is one of the worst soundingCDs
Iīve
heard in lifetime ! Only the awful 'Staatsgrenze West' is worser.
Musically itīs OK but I use to hear music with my ears and they told me: STOP
IT,
STOP IT NOW, the metallic torture. The sound of f.e. Ratikon is way better.
Jens
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In addition to _Somnambulistic Imagery_, another boot I know of from this
same concert is _Alien Air Music_, which makes _SI_ sound nearly as good
as _Logos_! (well OK that's a mite exaggerated)
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[SI]
>Maybe you had a bad copy. I have it on tape, and although it's
>an audience recording, it's still pretty good.
My SI copy was *produced* in Italy, IIRR. Heard it twice and sold it at the
flee market for the same price. Phew.;-)
Maybe Edgar will release a 5 CD set with unreleased music sometimes.
What happened to the unreleased Ricochet tour material ? Itīs a shame.
>> The sound of f.e. Ratikon is way better.
>Yes, Ratikon's better, but it's not from the same tour, is it?
Agreed, you are right. I was generally talking ībout sound quality.
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Subject: TD MIXES 2
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Hi gang,
LAWRY THE MAN! I got my keep,mixes 2, monkeys CD's in the mail today.
I'll give my review on Monday. I will say for the time being that the packaging
for the KEEP cd is FANTASTIC! Apart from the silly lil blue knob in the middle,
the slipcase and insert are really sleek looking. For those who haven't seen
it, it's all black with the Keep Cross on the cover. Most Cool. Thanks again
Lawry- I really love em....now lets get them over here to play!
Chris
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>> Both SI and SH are the best boots from their respective
tours, and highly
>> recommended.
>Wot ? SI highly recommended ? Dunno SH but SI is one of the
worst soundingCDs Iīve
>heard in lifetime ! Only the awful 'Staatsgrenze West' is
worser.
Maybe you had a bad copy. I have it on tape, and although it's
an audience recording, it's still pretty good. Undercover Dreams is the
only other one I know of from the US '86 tour, but I haven't heard it.
>Musically itīs OK but I use to hear music with my ears and they
told me: STOP IT,
>STOP IT NOW, the metallic torture. The sound of f.e. Ratikon
is way better.
Yes, Ratikon's better, but it's not from the same tour, is it?
Scott
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At 06:03 PM 11/17/97 -0000, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad'
>
>
>The luck of the Irish! Following Tangerine Dream on the 1997 'Tournado'
>UK Tour. (Compiled by Conrad Gibbons)
Conrad! Simply wonderful! Not only your good fortune to
see/hear/meet/befriend TD but the brilliant, personal, account of your
travels! Many thanks for your comments. I tasted the food, heard the music,
and enjoyed your company!
Cheers,
Mike
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At 11:24 PM 11/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
Besides, what the heck is Burning Man? Dell
>
>
I know what Burning Man is and I can't think of a better place for a TD
show. Of course it would HAVE to be filmed!
I'm sure Peter will enlighten all to Burning Man.
Mike
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Subject: I finally got Digital Gothic!
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Really-From: Dave Brewer
Happy day! A new mall just opened a few miles from my house and has a
Virgin Megastore in it! I figured it should have quite a bit of TD stuff
so I checked it out. Sure enough, I found lots of TD CD's (all of which I
already have, except for the Miramar version of Oasis... I don't think I
want to bother with it for just one song tho). Surprisingly, I couldn't
find any solo albums, maybe I didn't look hard enough. But I did find
Digital Gothic there (unsurprisingly), and snatched up a copy.
I was kinda surprised at how small it was. Maybe I was expecting more
detail, given the amount of music TD has done. When I started reading it,
some of the comments that were posted on the list came to mind, like Stump
using long words an unnecessary number of times, and his bashing of White
Eagle.
So far, I like the book. (I'm about halfway through) I may not agree with
some of his views, but hey, I'm not him! He does present more info that I
didn't know about than I thought he would. I was afraid that I'd be
reading along and thinking, 'Yeah, I know that already... Yeah, that
too...' But that wasn't the case here, which is good cuz I always like to
learn more. I also like how he divides the phases up into biographical
and discographical parts, instead of intermingling all the info. I also
like the discography in the back of the book, tho it's got some typos.
This is the first book on TD that I've read, since I don't have the money
to get one of the straggling copies of Voices... or The Dream Lives... And
I haven't gotten around to getting Mysterious Semblance yet. (but I've
been thinking about it)
While I was there, I also saw a book called Vintage Synthesizers (or
something like that) written by a guy named Vail. I was tempted, but I am
also a student living almost in penury. (one of Mr. Stump's words! :-) )
Dave Brewer
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Subject: ambient monkeys cd
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Tadreamers,
Okay, I'm listening to Ambient monkey's. Why in lord's name didnt they put in
track serperation points?. I mean why list the seperate tracks and number them
if you can't shoot to them? If anyone has a listing of all the start/stop
points on this cd please print it. If ever a disc called out for transfer to
tape or minidisc/cdr this may be it ( along with Princes Lovesexy album-same
deal. It always pissed me off having to fastforward to Alphabet Street>) As
for the album itself, it is quite tranquil. I really like the Jungle Effects in
the background. My manager asks ' Why would a band play their own music before
a gig?' Gee, I wonder...
chris
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I wondered whatever happened with this but hadn't looked in the old mail to
see if I missed something. Thanks, Vic--I agree with you.
Mike
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Subject: Re: LeVay on CAT PEOPLE
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I am holding my Lp of Cat People right now. Yes, he is on the credits of this
Lp. Music is by Giorgio Moroder. LeVay is listed as the Arranger of the
music and keyboards. Only one problem though..... LeVay is spelled 'Levai'
on my album.
And before anyone says anything...... Yes, the first name is Sylvester.
If anyone has questions about this album, they can ask me since I have the
album right here.
Ironically, when I went to look for it (in my 5000 album collection), it was
right next to my Lp of Epsilon In Malaysian Pale. :)
In a message dated 97-11-24 09:52:51 EST, you write:
<< While I cannot put my hands on either the vinyl or the CD copy of CAT
PEOPLE
at the moment, I am 99.9% sure that he did appear on that release. He is
credited with Prophet-5, Mini-Moog, PolyMoog, Fender E-Piano and another
keyboard or two. His name is buried in the credits, but I'm sure it is there
(either him or Craig Safan, the 'Confrontation' guy from THIEF. >>
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>Maybe Edgar will release a 5 CD set with unreleased music
sometimes.
>What happened to the unreleased Ricochet tour material ? Itīs a
shame.
As always, I'm still waiting for the lost tracks from Sorceror.
:-)
Scott
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Subject: RE: Reims Cathedral concert questions
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>avec la participation attendue de John CALE
> Eno et Mike OLDFIELD
A resident French scholar translated this as 'with the
participation/attendance of. . .' although he suspects it's some sort of
idiom. Vincent?
I wonder if this isn't a comparison of their music to those
guys, since in the five accounts I've read of the show, only Nico & TD
are mentioned. Perhaps it means something like 'In the spirit of. . .'
Scott
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Subject: Re: other boots from US '86 tour
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Gabe Yedid wrote:
> In addition to _Somnambulistic Imagery_, another boot I know of from this
> same concert is _Alien Air Music_, which makes _SI_ sound nearly as good
> as _Logos_! (well OK that's a mite exaggerated)
Interesting. How available is 'Alien Air Music'? Never heard of it
before.
I'm really hooked on mid-80s TD and would kill to have a good
recording of the 1896 Legend tour material. I have Timeless Space
(recording quality is good), but it's only found on LP. Anyone know
of a CD boot that has the '86 tour material? Is 'Alien Air Music'
it? --lon
--
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Date: Mon Nov 24, 1997 4:47
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Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze vs Tangerine Dream
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
When Klaus plays live, he never plays music that was
released on an album. It's all improvised. (with the exception of
Audentity tour '83 and parts of Stahlsymfonie '81)
Nowadays, IMO, it's more interesting to see/hear
Klaus live then TD. Klaus got lots of analogue gear too
like a Quasimidi Modular, lots of Moog stuff next to his
digital gear.
He prbably uses some pre-programmed material too, but
DATs I don't know.
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels/fsp.htm
Email :fsp@w...
(must add some new pics soon!)
>Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
>
>
> Considering all the talk about Tangerine Dream
>using DAT players in their concerts, I was wondering,
>for those of you who have seen Klaus in concert, does he use
>DAT players when playing LIVE?
> And if he does not would you think it would be better to see Klaus in
>concert or TD?
> I personally have not seen either, however I would still go to see
>both of them if I had a chance. But it would seem that a concert by Klaus
>would have more improvisation than TD has now.
> Tell us what you think,
> THE HIGHLANDER
>
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Subject: Re: Reims Cathedral concert questions
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Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
On Nov 24, 4:17pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: RE: Reims Cathedral concert questions
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
> >avec la participation attendue de John CALE
> > Eno et Mike OLDFIELD
>
> A resident French scholar translated this as 'with the
> participation/attendance of. . .' although he suspects it's some sort of
> idiom. Vincent?
In this instance, 'attendue' (expected) applies to 'participation' i.e.:
'with the expected participation of John Cale etc...' So, it does indeed
implies that Cale and Oldfield were expected to perform, and not only to
be there. This is not an idiom, this is as straight French as it could get
and there is no room left for speculation and interpretation.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Hi!
> A resident French scholar translated this as 'with the
>participation/attendance of. . .' although he suspects it's some sort of
>idiom. Vincent?
>
> I wonder if this isn't a comparison of their music to those
>guys, since in the five accounts I've read of the show, only Nico & TD
>are mentioned. Perhaps it means something like 'In the spirit of. . .'
'Avec la participation attendue de ...' means that we expect them to be here,
but it's not sure. I'm not very good to write in english, but it can be
translated as 'with the much anticipated participation of...', I think. But as
I
can see, Mike Oldfield never attended to the show?
See ya!
:) Michael (:
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Hi!
>When Klaus plays live, he never plays music that was
>released on an album. It's all improvised. (with the exception of
>Audentity tour '83 and parts of Stahlsymfonie '81)
>
>Nowadays, IMO, it's more interesting to see/hear
>Klaus live then TD. Klaus got lots of analogue gear too
>like a Quasimidi Modular, lots of Moog stuff next to his
>digital gear.
>He prbably uses some pre-programmed material too, but
>DATs I don't know.
Why the heck he doesn't come in North America? PLEASE KLAUS!!!
See ya!
:) Michael (:
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>Subject: TD / MARRILLIAN TOUR
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:55:28 -0500
>Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
>
> On another Keep note, the popular fan mag VIDEO WATCHDOG has had
>articles on the various versions of LEGEND in a past article, and they
>keep reporting to have a similiar article on THE KEEP soon. [. . .]
I forwarded the above to the editor of VIDEO WATCHDOG, and here is
his reply (great; just what we need: another KEEP willo-the-wisp!:
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:28:52 -0500 (EST)
From: VIDEOWD@a...
Message-ID: <971124152852_584430734@m...>
To: AR402004@b...
Subject: Re: 9 Diff. Vers. of THE KEEP?!
Steven --
In a message dated 97-11-22 15:46:47 EST, you write:
<< On another Keep note, the popular fan mag VIDEO WATCHDOG has had
articles on the various versions of LEGEND in a past article, and they
keep reporting to have a similiar article on THE KEEP soon. >>
This is indeed curious, as we've never reported any such thing -- much less
kept doing so!
Tim Lucas
VIDEO WATCHDOG
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Subject: Timesquare
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Howdy,
Just listening to TimeSquare-Dream Mixes II right now. First, my thoughts on
the packaging. Kinda boring type on the cover. I like the metallic blue
lettering for the Tangerine Dream but the font is wayy boring. Too small as
well, they should have gotten the KEEP cd folks in on this and the Ambient
Monkeys cd. As far as the leaflet insert, again a letdown. I like the USA
release booklet/design much better. I hope they didnt design this themselves.
As for the music( the real important part) I Love it. For the memebers who
enjoy the bands current input as well, if not better than the early stuff, it's
a must have. I gotta admit, I listen to my Dream mixes I and my Zoning
soundtrack ,etc. way more than I listen to Atem or Zeit and the like.
The track I prefer the most so far are The TOWARDS THE EVENING STAR (BLUE
GRAVITY MIX) and PIXEL PIRATES as the are both ambient and got that lil' groove
goin on in 'em as well.=+>
On another note, after work I'm on my way to go get the PLANETARY
TRAVELER DVD DISC. I'm anxious to hear the score as I enjoyed the last
Haslinger album. I just got my dvd player out of the shop, (after less than 4
months-think twice about the PIONEER LASER/DVD combo player!) it took 2 months
to fix the damn thing! The store said they now know how to repair the dvd
pickup-jeesh! I'll let you know what I think . Seeya TD enamored fellow type
fans. ( new TD music and I'm slap happy!)
Chris
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Date: Tue Nov 25, 1997 12:51
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Subject: NEW Klaus CD today!
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
Does anyone know anything about it?
MJ
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: MEMPHIS PD: WAR ON THE STREETS
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Searching for--what else?--stuff on THE KEEP in the Internet Movie
Database website, I called up TD's list of movie scores just for the
heck. I was surprised to see the movie in the #1 position. Going to
the page corresponding to this film, the music is listed as being the
product of two sources (the parenthetical 'I' indicates that this Phil
Marshall is the first of two Phil Marshalls listed in this site's
database).
Phil Marshall (I)
Tangerine Dream
Below is the list of TD movies from the site I just mentioned:
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
1. Memphis PD: War on the Streets (1996) (TV)
2. Switch, The (1993) (TV)
3. Rainbow Drive (1990) (TV)
4. Man Inside, The (1990)
5. Miracle Mile (1989)
6. Catch Me If You Can (1989)
7. Tonight's the Night (1987) (TV)
... aka Game of Love, The (1987) (TV)
8. Near Dark (1987)
9. Shy People (1987)
10. Three O'Clock High (1987)
11. Park Is Mine, The (1986) (TV)
12. Legend (1985) (US version)
13. Forbidden (1985) (TV)
14. Red Heat (1985)
15. Vision Quest (1985)
... aka Crazy For You (1985)
16. Firestarter (1984)
17. Flashpoint (1984)
18. Heartbreakers (1984)
19. Keep, The (1983)
20. Risky Business (1983)
21. Wavelength (1983)
22. Identificazione di una donna (1982)
... aka Identification d'une femme (1982) (French title)
... aka Identification of a Woman (1982)
23. Soldier, The (1982)
... aka Codename: The Soldier (1982)
24. Dead Kids (1981)
... aka Small Town Massacre (1981)
... aka Strange Behavior (1981)
25. Thief (1981)
... aka Violent Street (1981)
26. Kneuss (1978)
27. Sorcerer (1977)
... aka Wages of Fear (1977)
Copyright Đ 1990-1997 The Internet Movie Database Ltd
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Stephen,
I did go through my Watchdogs over the weekend, and I also saw no
mention. I guess that keep vampire got my memory. On the other hand maybe You
could enlighten Mr. Lucas with your vast knowledge of the various prints , etc.
as many of us do not have them or have seen them. If you are not familiar with
the magazine the whole point is to describe various cuts, and tv versions of
genre films. I think the KEEP would be a prime example. My memory is hazy - but
I know I read it somewhere. Anyway how bout you write an article Stephen? I
think all of us here on the site would like to see your IMMENSE commitment to
this film go to some real good use. I sent the Legend article to Lars, and can
do the same to you if you want to use it as a blueprint.
Chris
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>Subject: TD / MARRILLIAN TOUR
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:55:28 -0500
>Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
>
> On another Keep note, the popular fan mag VIDEO WATCHDOG has had
>articles on the various versions of LEGEND in a past article, and they
>keep reporting to have a similiar article on THE KEEP soon. [. . .]
I forwarded the above to the editor of VIDEO WATCHDOG, and here is
his reply (great; just what we need: another KEEP willo-the-wisp!:
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:28:52 -0500 (EST)
From: VIDEOWD@a...
Message-ID: <971124152852_584430734@m...>
To: AR402004@b...
Subject: Re: 9 Diff. Vers. of THE KEEP?!
Steven --
In a message dated 97-11-22 15:46:47 EST, you write:
<< On another Keep note, the popular fan mag VIDEO WATCHDOG has had
articles on the various versions of LEGEND in a past article, and they
keep reporting to have a similiar article on THE KEEP soon. >>
This is indeed curious, as we've never reported any such thing -- much less
kept doing so!
Tim Lucas
VIDEO WATCHDOG
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Stephen,
I did go through my Watchdogs over the weekend, and I also saw no
mention. I guess that keep vampire got my memory. On the other hand maybe You
could enlighten Mr. Lucas with your vast knowledge of the various prints , etc.
as many of us do not have them or have seen them. If you are not familiar with
the magazine the whole point is to describe various cuts, and tv versions of
genre films. I think the KEEP would be a prime example. My memory is hazy - but
I know I read it somewhere. Anyway how bout you write an article Stephen? I
think all of us here on the site would like to see your IMMENSE commitment to
this film go to some real good use. I sent the Legend article to Lars, and can
do the same to you if you want to use it as a blueprint.
Chris
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>Subject: TD / MARRILLIAN TOUR
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:55:28 -0500
>Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
>
> On another Keep note, the popular fan mag VIDEO WATCHDOG has had
>articles on the various versions of LEGEND in a past article, and they
>keep reporting to have a similiar article on THE KEEP soon. [. . .]
I forwarded the above to the editor of VIDEO WATCHDOG, and here is
his reply (great; just what we need: another KEEP willo-the-wisp!:
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:28:52 -0500 (EST)
From: VIDEOWD@a...
Message-ID: <971124152852_584430734@m...>
To: AR402004@b...
Subject: Re: 9 Diff. Vers. of THE KEEP?!
Steven --
In a message dated 97-11-22 15:46:47 EST, you write:
<< On another Keep note, the popular fan mag VIDEO WATCHDOG has had
articles on the various versions of LEGEND in a past article, and they
keep reporting to have a similiar article on THE KEEP soon. >>
This is indeed curious, as we've never reported any such thing -- much less
kept doing so!
Tim Lucas
VIDEO WATCHDOG
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Date: Tue Nov 25, 1997 1:36
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Subject: Re: MEMPHIS PD: WAR ON THE STREETS
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
I recall this movie being mentioned before. The TD contribution consists
of music from previously released albums..mainly Miracle Mile, if I
remember correctly.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
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'A paranoiac is someone
in possession of the facts'
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: KEEP Movie Variants: The Search Goes On
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>Subject: RE: A New Mythical KEEP Item: the Mention in VIDEO WATCHDOG
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:12:11 -0500
>Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
>
> I did go through my Watchdogs over the weekend, and I also saw no
>mention. I guess that keep vampire got my memory. [. . .]
Well, ol' Molasar (I call 'im Molasses whenever he tries to cloud
my memory about having seen the KEEP LP in 1984) didn't get mine. ;)
>[. . .] You could enlighten Mr. Lucas with your vast knowledge of the
>various prints, etc. as many of us do not have them or have seen them.
Sorry, but no can do. I've only seen two versions so far, with one
more on the way in the mail. The other six (?) are a complete mystery
to me. I'm hoping that Dano manages to find out more from his collector
friend who might have some of them. If not, I have one other lead, but
I'm not holding my breath (his initials are P.G.; he's one of the two
'P's mentioned at the bottom of the back cover of the Blue Moon boot),
since I haven't talked to him for about five years.
>If you are not familiar with the magazine [. . .]
I have a few issues of it (like the one on THE EXORCIST, the one on
THE QUATERMASS EXPERIMENT (with THE THING FROM AMOTHER WORLD on the
cover), and a recent issue with Barbara Steele on the cover.
>Anyway how bout you write an article Stephen? I think all of us here on
>the site would like to see your IMMENSE commitment to this film go to
>some real good use. [. . .]
Well, thanks for the encouragement, but--commitment is one thing
while data is another, alas.
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Tue Nov 25, 1997 2:26
am
Subject: Re: Posts out of order
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In a message dated 97-11-24 03:59:51 EST, you write:
<<
I received digest #108 & 109 AFTER #110... Did it happen to anyone else?
Does
the web postman need holidays too?
Greetings
Fred
>>
I'm quite often getting the answers after the questions. Kind of like
watching a Johnny Carson show. LOL. 8-) Dell
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: D:MACULA TRANSFER & SOLO 1974-1979
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Yeah, yeah, I know: the Froese D: discussions are over, but, hey,
I listened to Haslinger's FUTURE PRIMITIVE album today in an attempt to
have something good to say about it (but all I could come up with is
that it beats the snot out of MUNDUS SUBTERRANEUS and WORLD WITHOUT
RULES), so I think I can post this in good faith:
Anybody notice how the running time of 'if 810' is different on
MACULA TRANSFER and SOLO 1974-1979, and yet this is not mentioned on
SOLO 1974-1979, nor VOICE IN THE DUNES, nor THE DREAM LIVES ON!, nor
MYSTERIOUS SEMBLANCE? Check it out:
if 810 from MACULA TRANSFER 4:26
if 810 from SOLO 1974-1979 2:55
The reason this is odd is that except for 'if 810,' all the tracks
that are excerpts are noted as being such.
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Date: Tue Nov 25, 1997 5:16
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Subject: Re: LeVay on CAT PEOPLE
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> Really-From: 'Craig Shipley'
>
> Dano,
>
> While I cannot put my hands on either the vinyl or the CD copy of CAT PEOPLE
> at the moment, I am 99.9% sure that he did appear on that release. He is
> credited with Prophet-5, Mini-Moog, PolyMoog, Fender E-Piano and another
> keyboard or two. His name is buried in the credits, but I'm sure it is there
> (either him or Craig Safan, the 'Confrontation' guy from THIEF. But my money
> is on LeVay). This topic came up on this list at least 5-6 years ago, if
> anyone out there still remembers. I know I made a post about it right after
> I got my CD copy of CP and saw a name that I recognized. If anyone can check
> their copy of this more easily than I can (I'll still keep hunting for my
> copy, but today is the beginning of vacation and I'm gonna drop off the list
> for a while, so...), please let me know if I'm right or wrong.
You are correct that Levay DID do some programming on the OST but
Giorgio composed and performed the music. Brian Banks also did
additional keyboards. By the way, they mispelled Levay as Levai in the
liner notes.
Dano
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Subject: Re: other boots from US '86 tour
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Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings all!
Here's a list of all the '86 UK/NA tour boots that I'm aware of:
LP:
_Electronic Inspiration_ (unknown venue, UK tour; 43:14)
_The Nameless Is the Origin_ (London; 60:43)
_Parisian Dreams/Parisian Dreams Too_ (Paris; approx. 85 mins.)
_Relativity_ (WDR Cologne 'Nachtmusik'; 53:57)
_Timeless Space_ 2LP (London; 103:37)
_Undercover Dreams_ 2LP (Toronto; 81:50 excluding the non-live tracks)
Sound quality on all ranges from ok to very good, with _Relativity_ being
the best, followed closely by the _Parisian Dreams_ set. But they cheat due
to the fact that they are both from mixing desks (_R_ is a radio broadcast,
and _PD/T_ is from a mixing desk source, with a little post-production
work!) and not audience recordings. _TS_ gets bonus points, though, for
being a full show!
CD:
_Alien Air Music_ (various NA Tour venues; 56:14)
_Nachtmusik_ CD-R (WDR Cologne 'Nachtmusik'; 67:41)
_Sonambulistic Imagery_ 2CD (L.A.; 107:27)
_Three Tier Dream/Three Tier Dream On_ 2CD (Paris; 78:48 excluding the
non-live tracks)
The best of the bunch is _Nachtmusik_, again followed fairly closely by
_Three Tier Dream/,,,On_ (yes, they are from the same sources as the above
LP's.) _N_ is quite simply the best sounding live boot in my collection!
You really won't find better outside of Edgar's vaults! Although _SI_ gets
a good recommendation for being a *complete* show, as well as having good
sound quality (if a bit harsh; you'll need to cut the treble and boost the
bass on this one!) IMHO. _AAM_ is of *greatly* varying sound quality (fair
to very good), which is surprising since all the tracks claim to come from
mixing desks/radio broadcasts!
There is also a boot video from Kansas City titled _Live In Kansas_;
exceedingly poor quality on this one! And then there are the fan
tapes...AUUUUUGGHHHHHHHHHH!!
Hope this helped!
goozer
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Date: Tue Nov 25, 1997 5:18
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Subject: Sale closes Tuesday noon EST
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Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...>
Hi folks,
Since several people have asked, just a quick note to supplement the one I
posted Saturday re: sale of TD items (posters, videos, CDs, etc.). I've
received rather a big response to the offer of items (far bigger than I
expected, anyway), so I'll cut off all offers after noon on Tuesday the
25th.
At that time I will privately email all persons who made offers and inform
them of the highest offer for the items they were interested in; any among
those people who wish to top that offer must do so by midnight EST Tuesday,
after which point I'll send another round of mails informing of the bid
winners (for those items not further bid on) or new highest bids (if any);
at that time any displaced bidders will get another chance to regain the
high bid, and so on.
Thanks for the bandwidth--I hadn't expected this to become a semi-auction,
but I've received so many disparate offers on a few of the items that I
think this is the only way to give everyone (including the digest readers)
a fair shot...
Many thanks
John
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Date: Tue Nov 25, 1997 5:30
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Subject: Fantapes from '86 Tour
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Subject: Re: Td Bootlegs
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Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson)
I can't beleive it. TD was was Melbourne in 1982??? I was there then
also and I missed them. AARAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!
Fetch. Oh well. At least I saw them in LA in 88.
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Date: Tue Nov 25, 1997 6:23
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Subject: Orb
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
I gave Orb another try after Terum ........ (that one ;)
Their new release, 'Orblivion', is a real good album
Although the music is quite different.. there is
quite a bit of sequenced parts along with some cool
drum/percussion.
Track 7, 'S.A.L.T.' is about the scariest song I have ever
heard! It has a nararation about the Apocalypse..
I personally like the long songs that are linked together
as this is one of the reasons why I like the old TD so
much.
Greg H.
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Subject: TD Live L.A. '88
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Subject: Ambient Monkeys / S.A.L.T.
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Really-From: John Wilson
I've not been around for a bit: is Ambient Monkeys a new release? Any
opinions from anyone?
> Track 7, 'S.A.L.T.' is about the scariest song I have ever
> heard! It has a nararation about the Apocalypse..
> Greg H.
>
Do you ever get the feeling you're being followed?!
John W.
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Subject: London record fair
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Really-From: scooter@m... (John Von Pey)
Hello All,
The upcoming weekend I'm going to London with a friend. We arrive on
friday for som fun shopping, use saturday for the London Wembley record
fair, and sunday for a Star Wars convention and the trip home.
Is anyone of you going to one of these events (trips not included:-)
Any chance for a meeting?
Tadream on,
John
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59
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Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze vs Tangerine Dream
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Really-From: Georg Veltmann
You wrote:
> When Klaus plays live, he never plays music that was
> released on an album. It's all improvised. (with the exception of
> Audentity tour '83 and parts of Stahlsymfonie '81)
> Nowadays, IMO, it's more interesting to see/hear
> Klaus live then TD. Klaus got lots of analogue gear too
> like a Quasimidi Modular, lots of Moog stuff next to his
> digital gear.
> He prbably uses some pre-programmed material too, but
> DATs I don't know.
I had the opportunity to see KS live in Potsdam this year. His
partner Joerg Schaaf was the whole time turning knobs on the
Quasimidi gear. KS has has a custom made wall of Rave-o-lutions and
Quasars (like his Big Moog Wall) This thingie was used for Tradition
and Vision on Jubilee Edition, too. KS uses always a Minimoog and
his EMS Synthi A on stage. The first for his solos (You can hear
that on 'Moogie baby goes solo' on 'Are You sequenced?' and 'the
power of moog' ond 'Dosburg Online') the latter for strange sounds
in the introductory part and whenever there is a bridge to do.
I think KS uses a lot pre-programmed stuff (think of his complex
drum-patterns) on samplers. But still he can improvise as in his
live session with Manuel Goettsching and Roelof Oestwoud in Potsdam,
which has gone wild because of a to fast sequencer (-: They managed
the situation very good, after some startling seconds they began to
play furiosly.
Comparing KS to TD (obligatory TD-content!), which I've seen live
in April, I must say that the Froeses seem to do nothing on stage
besides standing behind their keyboards. I had the feeling, that
nothing in the concert is improvised (maybe Zlatkos and Emils solos,
but who are the TD core?), an opinion that is underpinned by the to
the second accurate set list. The only positive thing with TD
nowadays is the feeling of familarity with the music (espacially in
the first vintage set). You can follow the tunes because you know
and love them for a long time. But sometimes I got enraged about the
treatment of the old gems.
I made the direct comparison this year and can enforce Marcels
statement, that KS live is more enjoyable than TD.
Nevertheless, dream on!
Georg
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Really-From: ashok prema
Sorry to spring this on you guys, but has anyone received ANYTHING from
Ranjit (Progtron) over the last 4 weeks??? ('Is There Anybody Out There'??
other stuff??)
I am a little concerned at his long silence!...............don't part with
any money until this query is checked out!!
Ash
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Date: Tue Nov 25, 1997 2:17
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Subject: Re: other boots from US '86 tour
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Really-From: Vic Rek
>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
>Here's a list of all the '86 UK/NA tour boots that I'm aware of:
>CD:
>_Alien Air Music_ (various NA Tour venues; 56:14)
>_Nachtmusik_ CD-R (WDR Cologne 'Nachtmusik'; 67:41)
>_Sonambulistic Imagery_ 2CD (L.A.; 107:27)
>_Three Tier Dream/Three Tier Dream On_ 2CD (Paris; 78:48 excluding the
>non-live tracks)
Add 'Paris Edge' CD-R to this list also.
Vic
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Date: Tue Nov 25, 1997 3:59
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Subject: RE: Td Bootlegs
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>I can't beleive it. TD was was Melbourne in 1982??? I was
there then
>also and I missed them. AARAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!
>Fetch. Oh well. At least I saw them in LA in 88.
They played four dates in Australia in '82: Sydney on Feb. 22,
Adelaide on Feb 24, Perth on Feb. 26, and Melbourne on March 1. Tapes
are available only for Sydney & Melbourne, at least that I know of.
Scott
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Subject: RE: PROBLEMS!!!
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>Sorry to spring this on you guys, but has anyone received
ANYTHING from
>Ranjit (Progtron) over the last 4 weeks??? ('Is There Anybody
Out There'??
>other stuff??)
>I am a little concerned at his long
silence!...............don't part with
>any money until this query is checked out!!
I've never ordered anything from him, but I know several people
who have, and although they've sometimes experienced some long delays,
they always got their stuff. It's not Ranjit's prime source of income,
so he doesn't always give it his full attention. Be patient.
Scott
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 01:24 PM 11/25/1997 GMT, Ashok Prema wrote:
>Sorry to spring this on you guys, but has anyone received ANYTHING from
>Ranjit (Progtron) over the last 4 weeks??? ('Is There Anybody
Out There'??
>other stuff??)
>
>I am a little concerned at his long
silence!...............don't part with
>any money until this query is checked out!!
Don't fret, Ash. Ranjit gets really busy sometimes, and like all
of us, this to him is a hobby/side business. I have had ongoing
orders with him for years and sometimes he may take several
weeks, before he delivers. He also runs out of stock, so he has
to re-order. It is not likely that he would run away with our
cash. I just hope he is not sick or something.
And I used to think Hungarians were the most impatient people in
the world. :-)
Andrew
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Date: Tue Nov 25, 1997 1:36
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Subject: Re: MEMPHIS PD: WAR ON THE STREETS
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 07:49 PM 11/24/97 EST, you wrote:
> Searching for--what else?--stuff on THE KEEP in the Internet Movie
>Database website, I called up TD's list of movie scores just for the
>heck. I was surprised to see the movie in the #1 position.
> 1. Memphis PD: War on the Streets (1996) (TV)
> 2. Switch, The (1993) (TV)
> 3. Rainbow Drive (1990) (TV)
> 4. Man Inside, The (1990) [..snip..]
Um, Steven, maybe because they're in a new/old release order?
Mike
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Date: Tue Nov 25, 1997 7:17
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Subject: Non-TD: Burning Man (was Re: TD tour fund)
At 14:59 199711.24, tadream mailing list wrote:
>Really-From: Michael Fox
>At 11:24 PM 11/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
> Besides, what the heck is Burning Man? Dell
>I know what Burning Man is and I can't think of a better place for a TD
>show. Of course it would HAVE to be filmed!
>
>I'm sure Peter will enlighten all to Burning Man.
I'll try not to take up too much bandwidth on this.....
This 'll be a bit of a challenge as words alone really can't describe the
Burning Man Festival, of which I was a participant this year.
A city is created in the middle of nowhere (about 15 miles from Gerlach,
NV. It's also not too far from where Richard Noble and the Thrust SCC broke
the sound barrier on land this year.) that only lasts six days and
culminates with the torching of a 40' wooden man. If you want it here, you
have to bring it. That means food, water, shelter and shade (this is the
high desert and on a alkali flat)
The main thrust of Black Rock City is Community , Creative Expression and
Participation (NO SPECTATORS!) As the population grows each year (~12000
people this year) the city has evolved. Villages (a collection/affiliation
of theme camps) appeared for the first time. I was part of the village
called the Blue Light District (we constructed mushrooms as a unifying
theme) the largest of the three that were part of Black Rock City. We
organised and planned the whole village through the Burning Man Mailing
List. I met all of these people for the first time, yet we were like a
extended family.
People bring the most incredible things here. I saw a Giant Etch-A-Sketch
(people were encouraged to doodle), I guy behind my camp let people paint
designs on his Teepee. Another camp constructed a house made entirely out
of old doors. We had performances, parades, an opera, drum circles, a
Critical Mass Bike Ride (SF people know of this quite well), and of course
stuff was burnt.
It was here at one of the two main (unlicensed) radio stations (Radio Free
Burning Man 99.5FM & Frequency Publica 91.5FM) the latter one which has an
open mike policy, I signed up to DJ the late-nite/graveyard shift as 'Pete
The DreamHead' (one guess what I played exclusively). I have to tell you
that TD's music is *perfect* for this place. I had a guy with a radio
bicycled in while I was broadcasting _Green_Desert_ excitedly asking me
what this cool music was. He freaked when I told him it was TD, and freaked
even further when informed of the recording date (not release date).
To help provide program notes, I also packed Alan Michaels 'The Dream
Lives On!' (*my* TD Bible)
Of course for more information, you can visit the Official website at:
www.burningman.com
and there are numerous HTML articles from the Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN
etc. as well as sites put up by the participants themselves.
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Subject: Re: Shepard's Bush - Let's move on!!!
> Really-From: Michael Fox
>
> I wondered whatever happened with this but hadn't looked in the old mail to
> see if I missed something. Thanks, Vic--I agree with you.
>
Actually, only the american CDR sub-branch is not finished due to Mark Filipak
troubles. But I hope it will be ready before Christmas.
It's a bit too late to join a tree now, but I'm sure anybody having this set
would
be happy to have a trade with any of you.
By the way: the tree is a 3 CDR set containing the full concert, including the 3
encores plus 4 unreleased tracks live from concerts back in 1991.
---Francisco
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tadream mailing list wrote:
> By the way: the tree is a 3 CDR set containing the full concert,
> including the 3
> encores plus 4 unreleased tracks live from concerts back in 1991.
>
> ---Francisco
You mean 1990 probably? I don't know of any concerts in 1991...
Probably you mean the 3 tracks from Werner Seelebinder concert '90+one
more track (from Pharao's garten CD-Bristol 90 concert)?
Florin.
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Subject: Re: Td Bootlegs
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> Really-From: TangerineC@a...
>
> Could somebody please tell me what is on Ratikon and SonambuListic
> Imagery,
> and if these tracks have ever been released in another form? In other
> words,if there's a song called Sequence One, does it sound like
> Phaedra?
> Things like that. Thanks in advance. Tom
A 'song' called Sequence one- I remember seeing this title - only on
Patrolling Space Borders boot cd - it is from the 1977 Montreal (8
april?) show.
About Raticon and Sonambulistic imagery-I like them both - the quality
on SI is pretty good in my opinion - and it contains the whole concert -
that's what I like a lot.
Raticon is only excerpt from Melbourne 1.3.82 concert; also from that
tour 'Dreaming' (Sydney 22.2.82).
Florin.
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Subject: Re: PROBLEMS!!!
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Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
I was kind of wondering myself. I've been trying to place a couple of
orders for a month now, but I haven't received a response. Usually it
takes no more than a week for a response.
Larry
>Sorry to spring this on you guys, but has anyone received ANYTHING
>from
>Ranjit (Progtron) over the last 4 weeks??? ('Is There Anybody Out
>There'??
>other stuff??)
>
>I am a little concerned at his long silence!...............don't part
>with
>any money until this query is checked out!!
>
>
>Ash
>
>
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Date: Wed Nov 26, 1997 7:26
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Subject: Re: Td Bootlegs
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Really-From: TangerineC@a...
Yes. there is a song called Sequence One on Patrolling Spave Borders. I was
just giving an example because I know sometimes TD songs go under different
names and if I purchased a bootleg, I would'nt want to get stuck with
material I already had.
Tom
In a message dated 97-11-26 01:39:04 EST, you write:
<< In other
> words,if there's a song called Sequence One, does it sound like
> Phaedra?
> Things like that. Thanks in advance. Tom
A 'song' called Sequence one- I remember seeing this title - only on
Patrolling Space Borders boot cd - it is from the 1977 Montreal (8
april?) show.
>>
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Date: Wed Nov 26, 1997 6:07
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Subject: Schulze hates USA?
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Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft)
To those who hope for a Klaus Schulze Tour in the States: I am sorry
to let you know that this will probably *never* happen!
I read a long interview with Schulze in the german Keyboard magazine,
either last year or early this year. I don't have the article in front
of me, but it covered a lot of topics related to the US and also TD's
recent work.
It was quite obvious that Schulze is not very fond of the USA and
North Americans in general. He believes (recalling only from memory
now) that Americans have an extremely short attention span and have
been so influenced by channel-zapping and MTV-clips that they would
not be able to appreciate a 2-hour concert that maybe contains only
two tracks of his.
Ok, he didn't exactly phrase it like that, but the general attitude
from the interview was certainly like what I paraphrased above.
Anyway, it was very clear that he doesn't even consider playing in the
US.
He also mentioned something about how he could never do what Edgar and
Co. and Chris did and produce music 'made to order' for a hollywood
studio, and had some views about TDs current style. Again it included
some statement that TD are catering for the US-market now.
Gosh, I probably do the man injustice in not quoting him exactly here,
so I better stop. It was a very interesting interview also because it
included his views about music in the early 70s, his working with TD,
his mid-70s studio in Edgar's house, how they are still keeping in
touch etc. Maybe I can dig it up and translate some passages, if
anyone is interested.
Since we are discussing Schulze vs. TD live concerts, I would also
like to add that Schulze, depending on his mood and form on the day of
the concert, can often still bring that unique 'something' that TD
also had in the seventies and early eighties. It is that strange
effect that really manages to remove you from this world and makes you
one with the music, forget everything else around you.
I saw Klaus live at the concert that later came out as 'Dome Event', a
free open-air mini-festival in front of the Grand Cathedral in
Cologne. Ashra also played there, another incredible concert! Anyway,
Klaus really managed to 'space-out' the audience as he got more and
more into his improvs. While the first half indeed sounded like a lot
of noodling, it was only to warm us up for the killer improv attacks
he let loose during the second half. It certainly felt like leaving
this planet for a while :-). Sadly, the CD (while great) still falls
short of the live event and fails to really capture what was going on.
Hilmar
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Hi Guys,
Just had a message from Ranjit.......and all is well.....he is in between
jobs and and writes that ..'I ....may be slow but am painfully honest.'
Sorry Ranjit for any adverse thoughts my message created!!
So guys send your orders in to Ranjit for the compilation 'Is There Anybody
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Really-From: Michael Richard
Hi!
>It was quite obvious that Schulze is not very fond of the USA and
>North Americans in general. He believes (recalling only from memory
>now) that Americans have an extremely short attention span and have
>been so influenced by channel-zapping and MTV-clips that they would
>not be able to appreciate a 2-hour concert that maybe contains only
>two tracks of his.
And it's frustrating to have to admit that he's right! :( I'm in a band and we
play some long improvised songs based on old Pink Floyd and we can't
play nowhere. And you have to remark that the best artists mostly come
from Germany or England. The word 'quality' is european and 'quantity' is
american.
But it's not a reason to not come in North America! Even if the 'opened-mind'
public is rare, it's here anyway! I realize that if Klaus Schulze (or even TD,
that is more commercial) come, for example, in Montreal, we'll be about only
one or two hundred attendants, but it will be one or two hundred people more
to buy KS' related stuff.
>Gosh, I probably do the man injustice in not quoting him exactly here,
>so I better stop. It was a very interesting interview also because it
>included his views about music in the early 70s, his working with TD,
>his mid-70s studio in Edgar's house, how they are still keeping in
>touch etc. Maybe I can dig it up and translate some passages, if
>anyone is interested.
I'm really, really interested. But maybe you should mail me privately...
my e-mail is michael_richard@i...
See ya!
:) Michael (:
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>And it's frustrating to have to admit that he's right! :( I'm in a band
and we
>play some long improvised songs based on old Pink Floyd and we can't
>play nowhere. And you have to remark that the best artists mostly come
>from Germany or England. The word 'quality' is european and 'quantity' is
>american.
-- sorry no offense intended to either Hilmar (since he was just relaying
KS) or Michael but I find this to be stereotypical bullshit of the worst
kind. Although I've heard KS articulate his position before, I still find
KS' attitude offensive (while I recognize his right to his own opinion
however misinformed and xenophobic it is since he has never been here).
If you really believe this Euro v. American stuff then you are essentially
a racist; people are people and no one culture or race or nation is any
better than any other. This idea of some universal standard of 'quality'
is bullshit too and historically inaccurate. quality assumes there is
something 'objective' but in fact 'quality' is purely subjective and is
often dependent on and reaffirming of the dominant power structure. just
because we (or KS) might think this stuff is great doesn't make it so in
the world at large--and our opinions are no better or more valid or more
accurate than those of Spice Girls' fans.... give up those ideas of a
elitist, monolithic, organic, classical & class-based notions of a
universal truth! and quit mixing up individual people with large entities
like continents, cultures, etc!
the 'truth' is that KS is just afraid to come to NA, afraid it will warp
his sick & twisted, elitist, self-centered little ego, afraid he'll end up
like EF & co, afraid he'll sell out to the machine and end up spending the
rest of his life feeding the slots in Las Vegas, drinking cheap booze,
driving a gas-guzzling caddy, and visiting the hookers... he's obviously
got some real serious self-esteem issues... it just goes to show that you
don't have to have a great mind to produce 'great' art... (and therefore
that 'great' art is not always indicative of a 'great' mind).
come on folks! (KS too!) step into the post-modern world! without going off
on a long theoretical rant about these issues, might I just suggest one
reference for your reading:
Eagleton, Terry. 'Literary Theory; An Introduction.' London: Basil
Blackwell, 1983
it's got clear, simple language and quite intelligible and traces much of
what we think about art/lit/history in terms of how it came to be that way
at this particular moment in history.
grrrrrr
lars
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Really-From: Armin Theissen
>I made the direct comparison this year and can enforce Marcels
>statement, that KS live is more enjoyable than TD.
>
>Nevertheless, dream on!
>
> Georg
Hi,
I experienced TD six times (1980,81,82,96,two times 97) and KS two times
(1982,83). For sure there is much more 'personal' action going on
with Klaus. Look at the pictures I put on
http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen/ks/ks_pics.html
(takes a long time to download, so be patient...).
I made lots of photographs during his soloing on two minimoogs (music
corresponds to track 2 on his Poland live album).
The Froeses don't show any emotion, they do have some serious communication
going on, throwing looks at each other, as if they are very concerned that
everything runs perfect. Johannes Schmoelling used to 'dance' a bit at
his keyboards. While playing Mojave Plan and Choronzon, you could see
Chris Franke's hand hammering on a mini moog - you probably know what
kind of sound came out. But TD behaves ultra cool.
armin
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Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-11-26 07:03:42 EST, you write:
<< He believes (recalling only from memory
>now) that Americans have an extremely short attention span and have
>been so influenced by channel-zapping and MTV-clips that they would
>not be able to appreciate a 2-hour concert that maybe contains only
>two tracks of his.
And it's frustrating to have to admit that he's right! :( I'm in a band and
we
play some long improvised songs based on old Pink Floyd and we can't
play nowhere. And you have to remark that the best artists mostly come
from Germany or England. The word 'quality' is european and 'quantity' is
american. >>
it is overly opinionated generalizations like this that start unnecessary
flame wars...not to mention paraphrasing someone else's 'beliefs', recalled
from memory no less, to illustrate a point...if u do want to defend these
innane statements and turn this into a slug-fest, by all means, be my
guest...
tom w
np: td adelaide 1975
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At 09:02 AM 11/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>>And it's frustrating to have to admit that he's right! :( I'm in a band
>and we
>>play some long improvised songs based on old Pink Floyd and we can't
>>play nowhere. And you have to remark that the best artists mostly come
>>from Germany or England. The word 'quality' is european and 'quantity' is
>>american.
>-- sorry no offense intended to either Hilmar (since he was just relaying
>KS) or Michael but I find this to be stereotypical bullshit of the worst
>kind. Although I've heard KS articulate his position before, I still find
>KS' attitude offensive (while I recognize his right to his own opinion
>however misinformed and xenophobic it is since he has never been here).
>
>If you really believe this Euro v. American stuff then you are essentially
>a racist; people are people and no one culture or race or nation is any
>better than any other. This idea of some universal standard of 'quality'
>is bullshit too and historically inaccurate.
>the 'truth' is that KS is just afraid to come to NA, afraid it will warp
>his sick & twisted, elitist, self-centered little ego, afraid he'll end up
>like EF & co, afraid he'll sell out to the machine and end up spending the
>rest of his life feeding the slots in Las Vegas, drinking cheap booze,
>driving a gas-guzzling caddy, and visiting the hookers...
I am really shocked at this reaction.
I generally agree with KS' view of the general listening audience of the US
vs. the general listening audience of Europe.
Let's face it. the US is drowned in Top 40 popular music, rap, alternative,
and 80's music.
There is simply no room on the AM or FM band for Ambient/Electronic music
in the United States. Either that, or it's not 'profitable'. I am living in
Houston, 4th largest city in the US, and we have one hour a WEEK of
ambient/electronic music available to us. All the country and popular music
nauseates me in general. I'll listen to bluegrass and blues, but I want my
e-music!
In contrary, Europeans generally seem to have some culture and are more
prone to listen to classical and other music which does not fit the
category of 'popular'.
A group like Tangerine Dream could never have formed in the United States.
I do think that KS is selling his US fans short, however, by not at least
having a limited engagement in some major US venues.
Morgan
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>Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft)
Hey Hilmar, looks like you really hit a nerve here ;-)
>It was quite obvious that Schulze is not very fond of the USA and
>North Americans in general. He believes (recalling only from memory
>now) that Americans have an extremely short attention span and have
>been so influenced by channel-zapping and MTV-clips that they would
>not be able to appreciate a 2-hour concert that maybe contains only
>two tracks of his.
I have to disagree. Klaus once said that he'd like to play in New York
City, but it's just the logistics. He is not popular here, so he's
concerned that a tour would be at a loss.
I would find it very disappointing if your interpretation was true. What
about TD playing in NA those long tracks back in the '70s? They had an
audience, some which are on this list.
BTW, don't Europeans watch MTV also? Many actually think that MTV is an
English product because I think you get the broadcasts from there with a
European crew.
Signing off for now.....
Vic
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Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-11-26 10:57:57 EST, you write:
<< the 'truth' is that KS is just afraid to come to NA, afraid it will warp
his sick & twisted, elitist, self-centered little ego, afraid he'll end up
like EF & co, afraid he'll sell out to the machine and end up spending the
rest of his life feeding the slots in Las Vegas, drinking cheap booze,
driving a gas-guzzling caddy, and visiting the hookers... >>
the crack lars....u forgot the crack....which, btw, is what whomever buys
into this crap is on...
tom w
np: s. crow - leaving las vegas
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May I ask what this Cd is? Thanks. Tom
In a message dated 97-11-26 06:53:30 EST, you write:
<< So guys send your orders in to Ranjit for the compilation 'Is There
Anybody
Out There' NOW... because .....of the 1000 cds pressed I am now down to
my last 20 or so...(and there is no guarantee of a re-press).....YOU HAVE
BEEN WARNED!!!!
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> Really-From: feldon@p...
>
> I generally agree with KS' view of the general listening audience of the
US
> vs. the general listening audience of Europe.
>
> Let's face it. the US is drowned in Top 40 popular music, rap,
alternative,
> and 80's music.
>
Americans tend to have a 'been there, done that' attitude. And this also
has a very big influence on music that ends up being popular here. Since
music ends up being part of eras 70's.. 80's.. 90's ect., it is assumed
that music groups would rather progress (read that: change) as the new
'style' will bring in the dough, even if only for a short time. Now, since
the musical television stations and the radio stations in this country
refuse to play such ambient style music, that dosn't mean that all
Americans do not like it, in fact, I feel many would, since many most
likely do not like the current direction of music in this country. But,
undeniably, name and popularity bring in the droves because music is more a
social item than anything here in the U.S.
The current state of music here wants to specifically avoid the use of
electronic instruments... but they use E-guitars! Dosn't make sense!
(enough people have expressed their hatred of drum machines to me to drive
me crazy!) In those layers, upon layers of static and bass, it's really
about defineing a testosterone dominance of power potrayed through sound.
Being nuaghty and crazy is still something valued here, and all we seem to
want is to be blown away by noise and power ...hmmmm... or suduced by women
in skimpy clothing.. image is key to success..
> In contrary, Europeans generally seem to have some culture and are more
> prone to listen to classical and other music which does not fit the
> category of 'popular'.
>
Well, have you heard about the 'Pure Moods' compilation? It has been
advertised quite a bit, 'as music straght from Europe.' Sure, it's New Age,
but then it has Jarre and Hammer tunes on it as well. As far as I can tell,
the album sold in big masses. That music, in my mind, is quite
sophisticated
and very cultured!
> A group like Tangerine Dream could never have formed in the United
States.
>
As us Americans progress and learn through what's been done before,
somewhere, someday, it could happen; but only after the lessons have been
learned about what music is really about.
> Morgan
> feldon@p...
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Subject: Klaus Schulze hates USA?
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In a message dated 97-11-26 10:57:57 EST, you write:
<< the 'truth' is that KS is just afraid to come to NA, afraid it will warp
his sick & twisted, elitist, self-centered little ego, afraid he'll end up
like EF & co, afraid he'll sell out to the machine and end up spending the
rest of his life feeding the slots in Las Vegas, drinking cheap booze,
driving a gas-guzzling caddy, and visiting the hookers... >>
No to mention Klaus will have a hard time dodging all the beer cans, shoes
and mentos being thrown at him while he's 37min. into Track One of his Two
Track Konzert!!!! Sorry, but the paragraph above (did Lars write this?) is
just too good!!! Klaus is right! We Americans would never pay $20 to hear
his music live, especially after somebody (in the UK, I believe) said it
consists of 'simple one-handed solos over 100% pre-programmed textures.'
(That person also said they could have pulled off the show if Klaus had
'taken ill' by being given a run-through an hour-or-so before showtime!)
E-Man
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Subject: Re: The Keep
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Really-From: TangerineC@a...
First off, I would just like to ask if anyone has The Keep bootleg they would
like to sell me. or a copy of it.
<< But dig this: there are 388
people on this list worldwide, and no one has spoken up as owning a
copy. >>
Maybe the reason for nobody speaking up about not having a copy of this album
is because, if somebody does, they would be afraid to lose their copy if they
had to send it out to be duplicated on Cd-r. It may also get damaged. I
probably would'nt sleep at night thinking that a rare album like this was in
the hands of a stranger!
Anyway, I think it's a great idea that we all call used record shops to find
a copy. Since I live in NYC, there are hundreds of used shops around.
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 06:59 PM 11/25/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Actually, only the american CDR sub-branch is not finished due to Mark
Filipak
>troubles. But I hope it will be ready before Christmas.
Hmmm. I was on the Cassette branch of this---sent a note or two to the
person who was in charge of the branch--don't recall who--never heard
anything. Ah well, if I can still get anything--can someone send me a note,
off-list?
Thanks,
Mike
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> Really-From: 'Florine Epure'
>
> tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> > By the way: the tree is a 3 CDR set containing the full concert,
> > including the 3
> > encores plus 4 unreleased tracks live from concerts back in 1991.
> >
> > ---Francisco
>
> You mean 1990 probably? I don't know of any concerts in 1991...
>
> Probably you mean the 3 tracks from Werner Seelebinder concert '90+one
> more track (from Pharao's garten CD-Bristol 90 concert)?
>
you're right, I mean 1990. Those are the tracks included. ( Titles aren't the
official ones, which are unknown). The first one ( Gritos y susurros) are a fan
tape recording of the track included in The Pharaos boot, but not officially
released). Track 2 and 3 can be heard on the fan video of the Berlin [ yes, the
Bender Seelebinder Halle] show, but it didn't appear in any CD/LP official or
not,
as far as I know).Track 4 is from the Nottingham's Royal Centre, Oct, 29, 1990.
BONUS TRACKS
4. GRITOS Y SUSURROS ( Cries and whispers)
Unreleased guitar solos (Bristol UK 06.11.90) --10 min, 05 sec
5. SIREN CHANTS BEYOND EVENT HORIZONS
Unreleased main set track (Berlin 20.02.90, from FM radio)
--13min.24 sec.
6. INNER VOICES.
Encore unreleased (Berlin 20.02.90, from audience) --5 min. 42sec.
7. UNSTABLE ORBIT
Unreleased encore (Linda on sax) (Nottingham UK 29.10.90)
--7 min.19 sec.
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>Really-From: Vic Rek
>I have to disagree. Klaus once said that he'd like to play in New York
>City, but it's just the logistics. He is not popular here, so he's
>concerned that a tour would be at a loss.
>
>I would find it very disappointing if your interpretation was true. What
>about TD playing in NA those long tracks back in the '70s? They had an
>audience, some which are on this list.
I love these messages!
I also have this article and it definitely says what Hilmar said and more.
Here are some more words from KS:
-When I see, what Edgar does nowadays, maybe we should change the Berlin
School name into American School.
-I am the only one who still makes music in the Berlin School way
(comparing with EF, Goettsching).
-I prefer to make a 70 min. piece then a 4 min. piece.
I must say I agree with this.
MTV is Europe, correct. Wasn't Klaus on Chill out with Voices in
the Dark? Hhmm, thought he hated MTV.
Marcel
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> Anyway, I think it's a great idea that we all call used record
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>a copy. Since I live in NYC, there are hundreds of used shops
around.
Start calling! :-)
Scott
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On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> So guys send your orders in to Ranjit for the compilation 'Is There Anybody
> Out There' NOW... because .....of the 1000 cds pressed I am now down to
> my last 20 or so...(and there is no guarantee of a re-press).....YOU HAVE
> BEEN WARNED!!!!
Just a question !
Maybe I missed something in the past. But what's 'bout this compilation ?
Does it contain music from TD ? (I think so ;-))
C U
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Hi gang,
I've got 'lookouts' posted in the way of a 50.00 cash advance to my first KEEP
contact to put me in touch with the record. As far as my record show guys go, I
will give a 100.00 on top of their asking price. As far as I'm concerned, money
talks, if you ask a record store employee to 'look out' and 'let me know' it
gets stored in their brain next to what was on Seinfield last week. I gotta
admit that in the meantime I for one am most happy with me official release so
far . I seem to repeat the first track so many times I have yet to get through
the whole album.
As far as the Planetary Travelor DVD, it is a most impressive collection
of computer animation. The score is sort of symphonic-Haslinger. The disc says
he composed music especially for the film and so I suspect the cd release won't
have all the tunes. It is also cd-rom playable but I left it at home today cuz
I stayed up late last nite watching my StarwarsSpecial edition Lasers. It's too
bad Planetary isn't in Dolby Digital (its Prologic) cuz I like the extra OOmpf
given to it . It has been announced as a laser and is also availible already on
video(but without the extras on DVD). Go get it!
Chris
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> Anyway, I think it's a great idea that we all call used record
shops to find
>a copy. Since I live in NYC, there are hundreds of used shops
around.
Start calling! :-)
Scott
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My only contribution to this thread--and one that I think Klaus should
keep in mind (humble aren't I?)--is that it is just as possible to say
more in a four minute piece of music than in a 70 minute one. Or, rather,
if you do want to express a certain feeling in a 4-minute piece, maybe that
four minutes is all you need to say it well.
Case in point (IMO of course): 'Tierra del Fuego' from Edgar's _Beyond
The Storm_.
Gabe
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Really-From: Rainer Rutka
>
> On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> > So guys send your orders in to Ranjit for the compilation 'Is There
Anybody
> > Out There' NOW... because .....of the 1000 cds pressed I am now down
to
> > my last 20 or so...(and there is no guarantee of a re-press).....YOU
HAVE
> > BEEN WARNED!!!!
> Just a question !
> Maybe I missed something in the past. But what's 'bout this compilation ?
> Does it contain music from TD ? (I think so ;-))
No, there are no TD tracks on it.
It contains some of the best British synth musicians.
'Best buy of the month' !!
Hereīs a review, Tom Coppens sent to the GoldTri list some weeks ago:
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Hi everyone,
a review of this sampler :
Is there anybody out there...?
Paul Lawler, Dead Roads
This is a gentle and laidback piece from one of the newcomers on the
Centaur
label (he's got one CD out called 'Bronx Age') The track develops quite
nicely over the almost seven minutes, but there aren't too many big
surprises.
Redshift, Ether (excerpt)
Oh my god !! This is pure magic from the first seconds onwards and
showcases a
tremendously powerful Redshift. Glorious sequencerlines, wailing guitar and
all you could ask for. If this is the future of the past, it looks good.
Ashok Prema, Dancing Dust
Yes, for you who didn't know: Ash makes his own music. The track title is
for once a good indication of the music. Soft and swirling, slightly
melancholic, with a lot of acoustic sounds (guitar, piano, flute) in the
first half, it transforms into a more electronic affair towards the end.
Very nice melody
David Wright, Sygyzy
Not what you might expect from David Wright. This track is quite soft-rock
influenced: meaning a distinct drumtrack, some e-guitar and some keyboards
on top. Also some samples. Not really my style, but I guess if you like
this
sort of music it's for you. I'd recommend his absolutely stunning work with
Code Indigo however.
T-Bass UK, Nemesis (Live)
Soft flowing music with sax, that tells you about everything and nothing
;-). It reminded me of some of the later TD work and also of the band Peru.
It works though, as this track has a slow evolving feel about it, ie it
doesn't bore you as some other music in this style might.
AirSculpture, Krell Metal
If you don't know AirSculpture, they're usually mentioned along the lines
of
RMI and Redshift, but in my opinion they really don't have that much in
common with late 70's TD and co. Okay they use sequencers, but for the rest
I'd say that these gentlemen have completely succeeded in creating a style,
or at least a sound, of their own. This track has that same stamp on it and
is nice to have, although I don't consider it their best yet (which is
normal of course, but I
wouldn' t want you to get the wrong impression from one track 8-) )
Paul Ward, 10175
Heavily drum based, with a quirky loop. More into the 'power'department.
Could use a bit more variation in some points, but overall a nice track and
quite different from the rest of the CD.
Radio Massacre International, Pyramid
Okay, after 'Organ Harvest' I have faith again in this band, and that's
because I thought 'Republic' was too full of sounds, which drowned out
about
everything. Also I missed some specific personal touch (I'm sure they'll
hate me for saying they sounded just like TD ;-) ). So how's this track ?
Very moody and dark with slow rolling waves of sound and noise, not as good
as eg the second disc of Frozen North IMO. But perhaps I'm just not in the
right mood at the moment.
Andy Pickford, 4QNRX
Hmmm, Andy's been a bit out of the spotlight recently (working on his new
album), so I was curious what he's been up to. This track is upbeat and
incorporates some really catchy Turkish sounding patterns. I suspect it
will
probably be polished a bit on the final album version (as I heard that that
would be another concept style album).
John Dyson, Nazarene
A new Dyson track, only some two minutes long, but it's the perfect ending
to this CD. Slow emotional chords and not much else really, but it works
fine.
So all considered, this is a good CD if you'd like to get idea about a lot
of British EM musicians, and the price is also very low.
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I have it and itīs a low_price_high_quality sampler: the dog's bollocks :-)
Some of the tracks are really jewels.
Iīve reviewed three tracks of it (RMI, AirScupture and Redshift) on this
list some weeks ago.
These three tracks are influenced by Tangerine Dream. Ether is a killer!
Go for it !
Jens
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Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings all!
Awwww...c'mon! I've only had *one* entry in the contest so far! Ok, ok...so
it's an *EXTREMELY* obscure factoid, but someone else here must have
seen/heard this, or are there no other Miami Vice fans on this list? Geez,
I guess I'll have to give you all a little clue! I'll give the question
first:
'TD did have *one* song featured in a Miami Vice episode; what song was it?'
HINT: It's from one of the trio lineups (but not one you might expect...)
Remember; the deadline is Sat. at midnight CST. Good luck!
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Really-From: bionaut
Hello again,
Trust me, this is not really the beginning of a trend of regular Bionaut
virtual address updates (I hope). However, I do want you all to be alert
(yes, thank you for all the lert humor) to the latest change. Let's just
say this is a relection of the ongoing trend of Bionaut's evolution.
The new Bionaut URL for the web page is as follows...
http://www.vse.cape.com/~bionaut
The AOL URL will remain active, but will not be updated at this time. If
you are interested in following the exploits of Bionaut please check in
with the new address. I will be working on keeping this fresh. I will be
posting regular missives (starting with today's little Turkey Day musing)
on the info page, and I will be adding art, gear for sale, job
opportunities, and whatever else I feel like as I become more proficient
at this stuff.
Thank you for tuning in.
Best, Chris
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Subject: Fwd: Innanities (was:Schulze hates USA?)
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In a message dated 97-11-26 10:30:16 EST, TWeibre361 writes:
<< tadream@c... >>
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Subj: Re: Innanities (was:Schulze hates USA?)
Date: 97-11-26 10:30:16 EST
From: TWeibre361
To: tadream@c...
In a message dated 97-11-26 07:03:42 EST, you write:
<< He believes (recalling only from memory
>now) that Americans have an extremely short attention span and have
>been so influenced by channel-zapping and MTV-clips that they would
>not be able to appreciate a 2-hour concert that maybe contains only
>two tracks of his.
And it's frustrating to have to admit that he's right! :( I'm in a band and
we
play some long improvised songs based on old Pink Floyd and we can't
play nowhere. And you have to remark that the best artists mostly come
from Germany or England. The word 'quality' is european and 'quantity' is
american. >>
it is overly opinionated generalizations like this that start unnecessary
flame wars...not to mention paraphrasing someone else's 'beliefs', recalled
from memory no less, to illustrate a point...if u do want to defend these
innane statements and turn this into a slug-fest, by all means, be my
guest...
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for some reason, this never got there......
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Date: 97-11-26 10:30:16 EST
From: TWeibre361
To: tadream@c...
In a message dated 97-11-26 07:03:42 EST, you write:
<< He believes (recalling only from memory
>now) that Americans have an extremely short attention span and have
>been so influenced by channel-zapping and MTV-clips that they would
>not be able to appreciate a 2-hour concert that maybe contains only
>two tracks of his.
And it's frustrating to have to admit that he's right! :( I'm in a band and
we
play some long improvised songs based on old Pink Floyd and we can't
play nowhere. And you have to remark that the best artists mostly come
from Germany or England. The word 'quality' is european and 'quantity' is
american. >>
it is overly opinionated generalizations like this that start unnecessary
flame wars...not to mention paraphrasing someone else's 'beliefs', recalled
from memory no less, to illustrate a point...if u do want to defend these
innane statements and turn this into a slug-fest, by all means, be my
guest...
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Subject: Re: Schulze hates USA?
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In a message dated 97-11-26 12:40:50 EST, you write:
<< I am really shocked at this reaction.
I generally agree with KS' view of the general listening audience of the US
vs. the general listening audience of Europe.
well, its kinds difficult for ks to have a view, since he hasnt been
here....
Let's face it. the US is drowned in Top 40 popular music, rap, alternative,
and 80's music.
yeah, so what?
There is simply no room on the AM or FM band for Ambient/Electronic music
in the United States.
huh?
Either that, or it's not 'profitable'.
ok...supply and demand is a valid reason....
I am living in
Houston, 4th largest city in the US, and we have one hour a WEEK of
ambient/electronic music available to us. All the country and popular music
nauseates me in general. I'll listen to bluegrass and blues, but I want my
e-music!
so why not move?
In contrary, Europeans generally seem to have some culture
im glad u categorized that with 'some'....
and are more
prone to listen to classical and other music which does not fit the
category of 'popular'.
but if a vast majority of people listen to it, does it not then become
'popular'?
A group like Tangerine Dream could never have formed in the United States.
meaning what?
I do think that KS is selling his US fans short, however, by not at least
having a limited engagement in some major US venues.
no shit...
Morgan
feldon@p...
>>
tom w
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In a message dated 97-11-26 20:35:32 EST, you write:
<<
I'm quite often getting the answers after the questions. Kind of like
watching a Johnny Carson show. LOL. 8-) Dell
>>
That's been happening to me since I joined the list. My questions to the list
would be answered before my question even made the list!!!
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Hi everyone.
I'm new to the list, so my question might already be answered
several times...
I remember that when the Official TD pages first came up, they
used to have a VRML stage somewhere. I just can't seem to find it
anymore. Does anyone know if it's still available somewhere?
/Mara
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Subject: Wavelength Boot
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I came across somebody selling this Bootleg Cd of Wavelength and was
wondering what was the difference between this and the official release?
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Can anyone give me info on these bootleg cd's? Track listings, sound
quality,etc.? Thanks. Tom
Tangerine Dream 20th Century Serenade live tracks
Tangerine Dream Antarkis berlin 87/bristol 90
Tangerine Dream In den Garten Pharaos Bristol 1990
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Gabe Yedid wrote:
> My only contribution to this thread--and one that I think Klaus
> should keep in mind (humble aren't I?)--is that it is just as
> possible to say more in a four minute piece of music than in a 70
> minute one. Or, rather, if you do want to express a certain feeling
> in a 4-minute piece, maybe that four minutes is all you need to say
> it well.
Of course you are right. But I think that Edgar and Klaus just want
to express different things with their music nowadays. Therefore
they choose the appropriate means to accomplish that. This may be
very different according to the different feelings.
This does not imply a notion of better/worse! That's just an
individual judgement.
cheers
Georg
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where is the knowledge we lost in information,
where is the information we lost in data?
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Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
>it is overly opinionated generalizations like this that start unnecessary
>flame wars...not to mention paraphrasing someone else's 'beliefs',
recalled
>from memory no less, to illustrate a point...if u do want to defend these
>innane statements and turn this into a slug-fest, by all means, be my
>guest...
Tom,
I always stated I was paraphrasing and have already apologized for not
being able to quote Klaus exactly. However, as Marcel Engels pointed out,
my recollection was not very off.
However, I will not participate in any discussion until I have obtained a
copy of the interview and give you the exact words of Mr. Schulze himself.
I am probably not permitted to reproduce the entire interview here, but the
key phrases will appear here soon...watch this space.
Hilmar
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What joy! I've just had word that my copy of the Video Dream Mixes (that
I ordered from Our Price over a month ago) has finally arrived! :-))))
If anybody is interested, Our Price said that they had to get it from one
of their other stores (either Hull or Aberdeen - they weren't sure which
one).
I never thought I'd get to see this one, it took so long.
A happy Lawry. :-)
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Subject: Klaus in concert
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Hello again,
>just too good!!! Klaus is right! We Americans would never pay $20 to hear
>his music live, especially after somebody (in the UK, I believe) said it
>consists of 'simple one-handed solos over 100% pre-programmed textures.'
>(That person also said they could have pulled off the show if Klaus had
>'taken ill' by being given a run-through an hour-or-so before showtime!)
Yes indeedy, that was me! But surely, if you wouldn't see Klaus live, you
wouldn't see TD either? After all, even a non-musician could pull off
'playing' in a TD show, with no rehearsal whatsoever, simply by standing
behind one of the keyboard racks and poking at the keys!
But even though Klaus didn't play much, it was still a sensational
experience.
There was one psuedo-orchestral section, which I imagine corresponds to
'Moldanya'(?)
on the CD (which I haven't got yet), that was ultra-beautiful. But I was
disappointed about the small amount of real playing, particularly in view
of Klaus-Dieter Mueller's programme notes, which had loads of bollocks about
how KS concerts are 'on the edge' because of the improvisation. In fact,
this
concert would have been 90% the same even if Klaus had not been there, or,
if
as I said, someone from the audience was called up at the last minute to
cover
for him. There was nothing remotely 'on the edge' about it.
Glynn
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> Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm)
>
> What joy! I've just had word that my copy of the Video Dream Mixes (that
> I ordered from Our Price over a month ago) has finally arrived! :-))))
>
> If anybody is interested, Our Price said that they had to get it from one
> of their other stores (either Hull or Aberdeen - they weren't sure which
> one).
That's Our Price for you!
Got mine from off the shelf of HMV (Manchester).
Interested to hear what you think of it...I'm not sure myself quite what to make
of it.
Enjoy
CMOSLover
(presently slightly bemused)
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At 10:04 AM 11/27/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Really-From: Martti Rahkila
>
>
>Hi everyone.
>
>I'm new to the list, so my question might already be answered
>several times...
>
>I remember that when the Official TD pages first came up, they
>used to have a VRML stage somewhere. I just can't seem to find it
>anymore. Does anyone know if it's still available somewhere?
It was slow, was extremely simplistic, and took forever to load. I'm glad
they removed it.
>
>/Mara
>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
> E-mail: Martti.Rahkila@h...
> URL http://www.hut.fi/~mara/
>wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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>
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In a message dated 97-11-27 05:29:23 EST, you write:
<< I am probably not permitted to reproduce the entire interview here, but
the
key phrases will appear here soon...watch this space. >>
cant wait...tom w
np: 801 live
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Subject: Home pages
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Hi all...
I've finally moved myself into the 90's and got myself some internet access,
so if you have a nice E-music based web-page that you'd like me to visit,
please mail me with details privately, thanks.
Lawry
PS - Conrad... I really enjoyed reading your posts about your trio of concert
appearances
PPS - Chris... aww shucks, it was nothin' :-)
PPPS - Scott... I received your book (Mysterious Semblance for the
uninitiated) and I'm well impressed. I urge other list members
to contact him and get a copy, it's well worth it.
That'll do for now... ;-)
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Thu, 27 Nov 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Georg Veltmann
>
>
> Gabe Yedid wrote:
> > My only contribution to this thread--and one that I think Klaus
> > should keep in mind (humble aren't I?)--is that it is just as
> > possible to say more in a four minute piece of music than in a 70
> > minute one. Or, rather, if you do want to express a certain feeling
> > in a 4-minute piece, maybe that four minutes is all you need to say
> > it well.
> Of course you are right. But I think that Edgar and Klaus just want
> to express different things with their music nowadays. Therefore
> they choose the appropriate means to accomplish that. This may be
> very different according to the different feelings.
>
> This does not imply a notion of better/worse! That's just an
> individual judgement.
Considering Klaus' comments about TD's recent material and what it means for
the 'Berlin school', it would appear that he has rather narrow-minded ideas
(not too unlike many opinions I have heard voiced here by fans over the
years) about what e-music is supposed to be. It's as if he equates
'short' to be characteristic of 'American'. This is simply not true.
Plenty of fine 'miniature' pieces have come from the European tradition.
Does this mean that _Macula Transfer_ and _Stuntman_ are not truly
representative of the 'Berlin school'?
Also, he is ignoring the fact that, unlike his act, TD is a *band*, and
the man who is perhaps the prime contributor to most of TD's music now is
a person half his age who is probably more at home with shorter forms,
because that's what he learned and grew up listening to.
If Klaus wants to strive to be the last true exemplar of the 'old Berlin
school', that's just fine; there'll always be an audience for that kind of
thing, and if it's the only way he finds artistic fulfillment, that's OK too.
But this doesn't give him the right to come off sounding like his way is
a better way, the right way, the only way.
> cheers
> Georg
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Really-From: Richard Bilek
Hello dreamers,
maybe TD are more 'commercial' to market than Klaus Schulze, but this
is not disaster. Also, there are vegetarians and lovers of McDonalds,
and they can exist together and they do not kill each other (or at least
not at this time). If TD decides to be more 'friendly' to US market,
it is OK, if Klaus Schulze decides 'not-to-like US' that is also O.K.
It was their own decision, both are correct.
You must only choose, what you prefer more...
agray
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> Really-From: Martti Rahkila
> I remember that when the Official TD pages first came up, they
> used to have a VRML stage somewhere. I just can't seem to find it
> anymore. Does anyone know if it's still available somewhere?
It's still available...you just can't link to it from the main page
anymore. The url is
http://www.netstore.de/tadream/vrml/
It's amusing to look at for about five seconds.
Sean Montgomery 3D ANIMATOR
http://www.topix.com/~sean
'A paranoiac is someone
in possession of the facts'
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Really-From: AOutland@a...
Thanks, Dennis for your clarification of 'Iowa' on Dream Mixes; you are
exactly correct: I have the one CD version distributed in the US and was not
aware there was another. Sigh. Another one I need to look for. Dell
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Subject: Re: TD BOOTLEGS
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Really-From: TangerineC@a...
>
>
>Can anyone give me info on these bootleg cd's? Track listings, sound
>quality,etc.? Thanks. Tom
>Tangerine Dream 20th Century Serenade live tracks
>Tangerine Dream Antarkis berlin 87/bristol 90
>Tangerine Dream In den Garten Pharaos Bristol 1990
>
I have IN DEN GARTEN PHARAOS, but it is all written in German.
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>Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm)
>
>
>
>What joy! I've just had word that my copy of the Video Dream Mixes
>(that
>I ordered from Our Price over a month ago) has finally arrived!
>:-))))
>
>If anybody is interested, Our Price said that they had to get it from
>one
>of their other stores (either Hull or Aberdeen - they weren't sure
>which
>one).
>
>
>I never thought I'd get to see this one, it took so long.
>
>A happy Lawry. :-)
>
CDNOW also has this in stock. I got mine from them on laserdisc a month
ago.
Their address is WWW.CDNOW.COM
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Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
The reason that this happens is because some people
do not have their date and time set properly on their computers.
I find it really annoying also.
It is a relatively easy thing to fix. All you have to do is go to your
control panel or got to DOS and set the time and date.
THE HIGHLANDER
>Really-From: TangerineC
>
>
>In a message dated 97-11-26 20:35:32 EST, you write:
>
><<
> I'm quite often getting the answers after the questions. Kind of like
> watching a Johnny Carson show. LOL. 8-) Dell
> >>
>
>That's been happening to me since I joined the list. My questions to the list
>would be answered before my question even made the list!!!
>
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Subject: Re: TD BOOTLEGS
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Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
ALL THREE OF THE FOLLOWING CDS ARE SOME OF THE BEST BOOTLEGS I HAVE EVER
HEARD.
BUY THEM WHILE YOU CAN
THE HIGHLANDER
>Tangerine Dream 20th Century Serenade live
Live Miles Pt 2
Smile
Ride on the Ray w/guitar solo
Going West
Yellowstone Park
Tyger
Teirgarten
21st Century Common Man Pt 1
Time for Heroes
Good quality and worth buying
>Tangerine Dream Antarkis berlin 87/bristol 90
Irrlicht
Statt offner Gemeine sing ich Gesang
Blatter aus dem Buch der Kuhnheit
Der Wind wiegt die welten
Nachtwachen
Kaskaden aus Smaragd
Antarktis - eisiger Gotterhimmel
Wolkenzauber
Im kalten Odem der Zyklopen
Von den hohen Bergen
Chor der Sterne
Schattentanz
Erstes Morgenrot
Another good quality recording how ever I think the song titles here are
made up.
How about some translation from the people in Germany
PLEASE?
>Tangerine Dream In den Garten Pharaos Bristol 1990
Chor der Sterne
Schattentanz
Erstes Morgenrot
Karawane am Meer
Treibsand
Erscheinung
Im Tal der Pharaonen
Die Sonne verdustert sich allmahlich
Bicycle Race
Sequences I-IV
also good quality
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Subject: Re: THE KEEP Discography (all 3 + Fantasy Merchants)
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> Okay,
> Below are the track names and running times of the Blue Moon boot,
> the CD-R, the six covers by the Fantasy Merchants, and the official CD
> of THE KEEP. Barring the original 1984 album, this is what we've got:
> (One question: the person quoted below who listed the particulars from
> the Blue Moon boot says that there was a booklet in the CD that had pics
> of Michael Mann & Edgar Froese on the set of film. I don't recall my
> copy of the CD having any such pictures.)
Yes they are indeed. The cover booklet is a 4 page sheet. first page is, of
course
the cover.
Secvond page is a black and white picture of two persons looking to a kind of
cave
having a squared opening. Picrute taken from inside the cave. Third page is a
color photo. yo can see 4 people walking . Michel Mann and Edgar Froese are
laugthing. Forth page is a kind of pyramid and titles ( lenght included).
--->Francisco
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
>
Umlauts are indicated as (a), (u) or (o).
> >Tangerine Dream Antarkis berlin 87/bristol 90
>
> Irrlicht (also the title of Klaus Schulzes 1st CD)
will-oī-the wisp
> Statt offner Gemeine sing ich Gesang
sorry, itīs no German: mispelled ??
> Bl(a)tter aus dem Buch der K(u)hnheit
leafs from the book of boldness
> Der Wind wiegt die Welten
the wind sways the worlds (or: the wind lulls the worlds)
> Nachtwachen
Night watchers
> Kaskaden aus Smaragd
cascades out of emerald
> Antarktis - eisiger G(o)tterhimmel
the Antarctic (region) - icy gods_heaven
> Wolkenzauber
cloud magic
> Im kalten Odem der Zyklopen
> Von (den) hohen Bergen
from (the) high mountains
> Chor der Sterne
Choir of (the) stars
> Schattentanz
Shadow dance
> Erstes Morgenrot
1st dawn
> >Tangerine Dream In den Garten Pharaos Bristol 1990
>
> Karawane am Meer
caravan at the sea
> Treibsand
quicksand
> Erscheinung
appearance
> Im Tal der Pharaonen
in the valley of the pharaones(?)
> Die Sonne verd(u)stert sich allm(a)hlich
the sun gradually darkens
Jens
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At 01:18 PM 11/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
>
>ALL THREE OF THE FOLLOWING CDS ARE SOME OF THE BEST BOOTLEGS I HAVE EVER
>HEARD.
>
> BUY THEM WHILE YOU CAN
>
> THE HIGHLANDER
>
>>Tangerine Dream 20th Century Serenade live
>
> Live Miles Pt 2
> Smile
> Ride on the Ray w/guitar solo
> Going West
> Yellowstone Park
> Tyger
> Teirgarten
> 21st Century Common Man Pt 1
> Time for Heroes
Uh... I already have official copies of all these tracks... *Yawn*...
>Good quality and worth buying
buy the official versions, TD deserves the money.
>>Tangerine Dream Antarkis berlin 87/bristol 90
>
> Irrlicht
> Statt offner Gemeine sing ich Gesang
> Blatter aus dem Buch der Kuhnheit
> Der Wind wiegt die welten
> Nachtwachen
> Kaskaden aus Smaragd
> Antarktis - eisiger Gotterhimmel
> Wolkenzauber
> Im kalten Odem der Zyklopen
> Von den hohen Bergen
> Chor der Sterne
> Schattentanz
> Erstes Morgenrot
Hrmm... I would be anxious to see what these translate to...
> Another good quality recording how ever I think the song titles here are
>made up.
> How about some translation from the people in Germany
>>Tangerine Dream In den Garten Pharaos Bristol 1990
>
> Chor der Sterne
> Schattentanz
> Erstes Morgenrot
> Karawane am Meer
> Treibsand
> Erscheinung
> Im Tal der Pharaonen
> Die Sonne verdustert sich allmahlich
>
> Bicycle Race
> Sequences I-IV
>
>also good quality
I've got Melrose, Optical Race, Lily, and the Private Music compilation...
I guess I got all of this.
Morgan
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Subject: TD vs Klaus Schulze
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>just too good!!! Klaus is right! We Americans would never pay $20 to hear
>>his music live, especially after somebody (in the UK, I believe) said it
>>consists of 'simple one-handed solos over 100% pre-programmed textures.'
>>(That person also said they could have pulled off the show if Klaus had
>>'taken ill' by being given a run-through an hour-or-so before showtime!)
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> I saw TD in '88 and '92, and preferred (by far) the '88 show. The '92
show
> may have had Zlatko and Linda (I suspect her sax-playing may have been
DAT,
> as well, what do you think?) in addition to spotlights on Edgar and
Jerome,
> but the setlist was much better, and Paul's solo piano segments were
great.
> I agree with your opinion about TD, as well. Hell, TD are still
responsible
> for hours of incredible music. They just don't stand out as a live act,
> nowadays. As fans, we probably go see their performances as our
individual
> + collective tribute for the classic material they inspired us with.
>
> E-Man
>
TD insistance on not playing live is one of the major reasons why
electronic music has failed in this country.. Americans tend to value
musicians who can pull up a guitar, pluck a few strings..and there have you
the song.
Performance is almost, or just as important as the music itself.. sad, but
true here in the U.S.
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In a message dated 97-11-27 16:29:26 EST, you write:
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The reason that this happens is because some people
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HMMM. I DO have my time and date set properly FOR MY AREA! Is it
possible that this computer reads from Greenwich time first? Therefore,
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
So far, I feel that this debate has been dominated by generalizations..but
then, isn't that true of most Internet discussions? :-) I think the
first question that needs to be asked is, what makes some music
popular and other forms languish in obscurity? Why do Vangelis and
the Chemical Brothers succeed, while Schulze and Andy Pickford remain
unknown? I think there are several ways to answer this question. First of
all, to become popular, music has to be heard. And most people still
encounter new music through radio. Radio, like movies and Tv, is run by
business minded people who want proven formulas. New forms of music only
hit the airwaves after programmers have determined that the kids in the
clubs are digging them. Until then, we have endless cover versions and
revivals of familiar styles, because they're familiar and safe. This is
the same thinking that pervades in Hollywood, thus inflicting movies like
'Home Alone 3' on an unsuspecting populace. In addition, cramming 15 three
minute ditties into an hour helps to sell more records than two side-long
electronic soundscapes.
Furthermore, most people are sheep. They want to like what everyone else
likes, so that they feel a part of things. Music that gets marketed
shamelessly attains wide exposure, and the masses flock to listen. Often,
people hop on the bandwagon even if they don't really like the music.
In the end, of course, songs still have to touch people. Listeners have
to connect with the lyrics, or resonate to the mood that the song
generates. A hummable melody goes a long way too. Since Stratofear, TD
has been offering these, whereas Klaus hasn't. As I've argued before, I
don't think the band did this for the money. Edgar was influenced by
western pop music from the beginning, and was up front about that. He
wisely took the band electronic in the beginning because they were never
going to be able to compete with the likes of Led Zepplin and Jimi
Hendrix....he needed a schtick. You can't say he did it for the
money...TD doesn't sell *that* many records. Like any musicians, the
members of TD have created from whatever moved them at a particular time
in their lives. At the same time, if you want to make a living off of
your music, you have to be able to sell it. And Edgar knows how to play
this game. If he'd stopped the band's development in 1976, they would
have faded from the scene a long ago. By choosing electronic music as his
medium, Edgar has had a need to appear to be innovative at all times.
This is part of the reason, I think, for his indecipherable musings during
interviews...he has to maintain the image of being a visionary. In the
media, image is everything. Popular visual artists have done the same
thing in the 20th century. They point to Van Gogh, and say: 'you
see....all great art is hated at first! If you hate it now, it must
really be great!'
A lot of a music's popularity comes down to associations. What do you
associate a song with? A pop song on the radio may be associated with a
great night out with some friends, or the freedom of driving down the
highway in a new car. But for most people, electronic music has no
associations. They just hear music being made by a computer. It's cold;
it has no connection to their lives. Lyrics can bridge the void by
offering a human context. Music from soundtracks creates a memory of the
movie it was drawn from (thus, the success of 'Love on a Real Train').
Fans of electronic music may just be better able to form their own 'mind
movies'. Or perhaps we all just have some event in our lives which made
it okay to form a connection to the sounds. Speaking personally, I had a
babysitter in grade 4 whose husband had TD, Kraftwerk, Vangelis and others
in his record collection...and I thought he was a cool guy, therefore
liking the music became okay. At the same time, my father liked Pink
Floyd, so I think the prog rock gene was in me already.
You can't say that Europeans are any more sophisticated than Americans.
Europeans may put enough asses in the seats to allow Klaus to tour there,
but it's also home to some of the cheeziest pop music known to humankind.
If there were more public radio stations in North America that took a few
more chances with what they could play, then I'm sure Klaus would find a
larger audience. But even then, I don't know if it'd be large enough to
warrant a full tour. His style of music just isn't touching people enough
here. It isn't relevant to the North American psyche.
I'm not even sure if a TD tour would fly. With the exception of the Dream
Mixes albums, their recent output has been sub par, and consequently
sales were low. Perhaps a tour would pick up the numbers a bit, but
who wants to pay 30 bucks to watch a tape deck play 10 songs that they
really don't care for? (aside from tadream list members, of course.) If
TD decided to focus more on the 'Dream Mixes' side of things...and really
push it farther...hammering the beats out to the point of being truly
danceable (while at the same time retaining trademarked TD
atmospherics)....if they played smaller venues...even clubs, than a tour
could work.
I hope I made some kind of sense there....I feel like I was just rambling.
But that, too, is characteristic of Internet discussions.
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Greetings,
I'd recommend purchasing the Miramar TD Oasis CD with the Chia Maroon
bonus track. This track is as good as any of the best tracks from TD's
recent albums. The Oasis CD is possibly TD's best album since
Underwater Sunlight.
I spoke with Gray who produced and filmed the Oasis video and he
confirmed that there is additional music which never made it onto the
Video.
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Greetings,
I would like to trade the following for TD (TDI) The Keep:
The Orb: Orbscure Trax - The Rare Excursions
[23 Apr 1997] promo compilation album (unreleased)
CD: 1997 US (Island; PRCD 7444-2) [promo]
6:29 Toxygene (kru remix)
5:28 Molten Love (berlin film mix)
15:42 Plateau (andy's dub) [remix: Andy/LX/Fehlmann]
6:18 Little Fluffy Clouds (heavyweight dub)
10:16 Bedouin (sheiks film mix)
6:53 Occidental (bandulu remix) [Weston/Fehlmann/LX]
8:46 Oxbow Lakes (andy's sparce mix)
or the following (2) two CD's:
Coeffecient of Aural Expansion Vol I CD (not CDR) and
Spherical Harmonics CD Vol I CD (not CDR)
or any combination (2) of above.
email me directly if interested
Neil
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Subject: RE: 1997 UK Tour - An Account by Conrad Gibbons of 3 Concerts
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>Really-From: Dave Brewer
>Thank you Conrad, for your very interesting account! I really
enjoy
>reading stuff like this, especially when I couldn't make it to
the shows
>myself. I remember reading and enjoying similar accounts in the
Tangible
>Dream back around 1990. I think you were resposible for some of
those >as well. I'd love the opportunity to see TD at more than one show
at their
>next NA tour, it sounds like fun! But the combination of school
and work,
>and a lack of serious money would make it hard... Especially if
they're
>coming this spring! (my last semester, hopefully!)
Yes, I seem to be in the habit of preparing diaries of my
encounters with TD and their solo artists! I did indeed send a diary of
my trip to the 1990 concerts to the TDIFC who printed it in one of their
final issues. I also wrote a diary of when I was lucky enough to meet
Chris Franke in 1991 at the London concert; this was printed in issue
two of Voyager magazine.
>Again, thank you for the account. I'll be saving it in a file
for future
>enjoyment! :-)
Glad you and others enjoyed it. Sorry it got posted twice. Email
build-up along the way led me to believe that the first one I sent got
lost - it queued for over a week.
> > Dave Brewer
>
Regards,
Conrad Gibbons
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Really-From: Tom807@a...
You're nuts!!!!!!!!!! E-music is HUGE in the USA and everywhere in the
Western World, just not the e-music you are thinking of (TD and KS and the
like). And it's not all dance music, either. The ambient, drum and bass,
and others are just as popular. It's just that it's not bought at Wal-Mart,
etc. so it doesn't register with RIAA (the people behind the 'charts' that
record sales volume). Ask the kids.
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Yo all,
Anyone got a full play list of the Manchester gig.
Know a couple of people have got bootlegs of it-wondered if someone had got
round
to
'transcribing' them.
Cheers,
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Really-From: DJS
There's no 'vs.' here. Klaus would get knocked on his ass in two
seconds. His music is no comparison to the wizardry of TD throughout the
years. I'd rather see TD use a dat recorder live than watch Klaus
actually play live. That's how tedious and mindless I find his music. I
rea;ize he has this cultic following but come on, it's nothing more than
dedeedededededededededededededededeededededed 'snip' (continue for two
hours. Heck, stay in Germany Klaus. We North Americans actually like to
have melody and song in our music.
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Really-From: DJS
Has anyone just come to the conclusion that Klaus' music just sucks? I
realize that this statement isn't very prolific, but perhaps it's why no
one cares. Klaus' music just isn't that good. Of course you'll always
find people who care. Heck, even a whole tape of cricket noises will
sell to some people...so why not Klaus' music? The thing is, he's not
very popular whereas a group such as Pink Floyd or Jean Michel Jarre
will sell out because their music is actually listenable. Hey man, it's
just my opinion (I'm sure joined by thousands heh heh).
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> Can anyone give me info on these bootleg cd's? Track listings, sound
> quality,etc.? Thanks. Tom
> [...]
> Tangerine Dream Antarkis berlin 87/bristol 90
This is a very detailed track list of Antarktis, posted last year on
tadream:
1. Livemiles Part 2 (1st index)
2. Dolphin Smile
3. Civilized Illusions
4. Betrayal/Diamond Diary
5. Love On A Real Train
6. Canyon Voices
7. Zen Garden (sort of remixy type thingy)
8. Scuba Scuba (+ a bit more)
9. Piano Solo, a medley of:
Ricochet 2
Quichotte 1
The unreleased Canyon Dreams piano solo
10. Dolphin Dance (extended version)
11. Betrayal
12. Diamond Diary
13. Love On A Real Train
(ie tracks 4 - 5 again, this time from Bristol '90)
(Tracks 1 - 10 are from Berlin '87).
Total time: 74 min.
The sound quality is very good, and most of the tracks are very
different from the 'official' versions.
Antonio
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O.k. now my next question is, are these songs unreleased material, or just
songs we know already, under a different title? Tom
In a message dated 97-11-28 05:44:14 EST, you write:
<< Umlauts are indicated as (a), (u) or (o).
> >Tangerine Dream Antarkis berlin 87/bristol 90
>
> Irrlicht (also the title of Klaus Schulzes 1st CD)
will-oī-the wisp
> Statt offner Gemeine sing ich Gesang
sorry, itīs no German: mispelled ??
> Bl(a)tter aus dem Buch der K(u)hnheit
leafs from the book of boldness
> Der Wind wiegt die Welten
the wind sways the worlds (or: the wind lulls the worlds)
> Nachtwachen
Night watchers
> Kaskaden aus Smaragd
cascades out of emerald
> Antarktis - eisiger G(o)tterhimmel
the Antarctic (region) - icy gods_heaven
> Wolkenzauber
cloud magic
> Im kalten Odem der Zyklopen
> Von (den) hohen Bergen
from (the) high mountains
> Chor der Sterne
Choir of (the) stars
> Schattentanz
Shadow dance
> Erstes Morgenrot
1st dawn
> >Tangerine Dream In den Garten Pharaos Bristol 1990
>
> Karawane am Meer
caravan at the sea
> Treibsand
quicksand
> Erscheinung
appearance
> Im Tal der Pharaonen
in the valley of the pharaones(?)
> Die Sonne verd(u)stert sich allm(a)hlich
the sun gradually darkens
Jens
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> O.k. now my next question is, are these songs unreleased material, or just
> songs we know already, under a different title? Tom
This question is answered in Antonio Nunes' previous posting...they're
songs we already know, under different titles.
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Greetings all!
>Really-From: TangerineC@a...
>Can anyone give me info on these bootleg cd's? Track listings, sound
>quality,etc.? Thanks. Tom
>Tangerine Dream 20th Century Serenade live tracks
>Tangerine Dream Antarkis berlin 87/bristol 90
>Tangerine Dream In den Garten Pharaos Bristol 1990
OK, here ya go, although the real titles following the German titles are
not translations, of course (all titles with * indicate real title
unknown:)
ANTARKTIS- Berlin Reichstag '87 radio broadcast pt. 1/Bristol UK '90 fantape:
(Irrlicht)- Caspian Sea (AKA _Livemiles Berlin pt. 1_, diff. from _LM_ release)
(Statt offner Gemeine sing ich Gesang)- Dolphin Smile
(Blatter aus dem Buch der Kuhnheit)- Civilized Illusions
(Der Wind wiegt die welten)- Betrayal/Daimond Diary (modern mixes)
(Nachtwachen)- Love on a Real Train (Reichstag Station version ;))
(Kaskaden aus Smaragd)- Canyon Voices (extended version)
(Antarktis - eisiger Gotterhimmel)- Zen Garden (remix)
(Wolkenzauber)- Samba Motel/Scuba Scuba/*Rainlight (unreleased)
(Im kalten Odem der Zyklopen)- *Reflections of Past Dreams (unreleased)
(Von den hohen Bergen)- Dolphin Dance (extended version; diff. from _LM_)
(Chor der Sterne)- Betrayal (modern mix)
(Schattentanz)- Diamond Diary (modern mix)
(Erstes Morgenrot)- Love on a Real Train (Bristol Station version ;))
Sound quality is of course exellent for the Berlin material, good for the
Bristol material.
20TH CENTURY SERENADES- Berlin Reichstag '87 radio broadcast pt. 2:
Velvet Autumn/Sunnyvale (AKA _LM_ pt. 2; these are the 2 diff. titles as given
on 2 diff. occasions on German radio; diff. from _LM_ release)
Smile (instrumental)
Ride on the Ray (incl. guitar solo that was added for the broadcast!)
Going West
Yellowstone Park (w/o Clair Torry vocalesse)
Tyger (instrumental)
Tiergarten
21st Century Common Man pt. 1
A Time For Heroes (extended version)
IN DEN GARTEN PHARAOS- Bristol '90 fantape; incl. material from _Bicycle Race_:
(Chor der Sterne)- Betrayal (modern mix)
(Schattentanz)- Diamond Diary (modern mix)
(Erstes Morgenrot)- Love on a Real Train (Bristol Station version ;))
(Karawane am Meer)- Phaedra '88
(Treibsand)- Electric Lion (w/o guitar)
(Erscheinung)- *Twilight Mist (unreleased)/Wall Street
(Im Tal der Pharaonen)- Hitchhikers' Point
(Die Sonne verdustert sich allmahlich)- Long Island Sunset
(Sequence I)- Melrose
(Sequence II)- Metropole Berlin Theme remix w/sax (unreleased)
(Sequence II)- Three Bikes in the Sky
(Sequence IV)- Atlas Eyes
(unlisted 'bonus' track)- Gaudi Park
Sound quality is good. Unfortunately the track sequence isn't, as it's out
of order (the last three track were actually the *first* three tracks!) Nor
is the track selection; teasing us with the last 30 seconds of the
fantastic guitar duet between Edgar and Jerome (the start of *TM) instead
of giving us the full monty like on _BR_! Sometimes you just gotta wonder
what's going through some of these bootleggers' minds...
IMNSHO, all three of these are worth getting. In fact, _A_ and _20CS_ are
indispensible as far as I'm concerned; you *will not* be disappointed! Hope
all of this helps!
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Hi guys,
I do like Klaus, but I also think TD is much more original in terms of
work output. Klaus does release much more music , it's true-but much of it IMHO
does sound alike.
I do think his DRIVE-IN vol 1. is the most groove oriented music he's done in a
while, although he isn't credited with the writing.I would however go see him
live also if he ever came here, seeing as the live concerts by the 'New Age'
groups in the USA have been limited to techno,Yanni and John Tesh ( oh and
Mannheim) . By the way-is Drive in Vol 2
out ?
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Greetings all!
>Really-From: DJS
>(...)That's how tedious and mindless I find his music. I
>realize he has this cultic following but come on, it's nothing more than
>dedeedededededededededededededededeededededed 'snip' (continue for two
>hours.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA! ROTFLMAO! This is *exactly* how I feel about all
of his post-'85 output! And a few of his pre-'85 releases, too! He's turned
into the German version of Kitaro (ie: let's release the same album 13
times!), IMO!
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In a message dated 97-11-28 13:26:27 EST, you write:
<< There's no 'vs.' here. Klaus would get knocked on his ass in two
seconds. His music is no comparison to the wizardry of TD throughout the
years. I'd rather see TD use a dat recorder live than watch Klaus
actually play live. That's how tedious and mindless I find his music.
thats funny...thats exactly the way i feel about ur last two posts on this
subject...
rea;ize he has this cultic following but come on, it's nothing more than
dedeedededededededededededededededeededededed 'snip' (continue for two
hours. Heck, stay in Germany Klaus. We North Americans actually like to
have melody and song in our music.
im still waiting for your demo...
tom w
np: schulze - historic edition disc 4
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> Really-From: 'neil vanlaten'
>
> Greetings,
>
> I'd recommend purchasing the Miramar TD Oasis CD with the Chia Maroon
> bonus track. This track is as good as any of the best tracks from TD's
> recent albums. The Oasis CD is possibly TD's best album since
> Underwater Sunlight.
>
I have the Voiceprint (TDI) Oasis CD and I suppose there is no extra track.
Nonetheless, my opinion is Oasis is fantastic, specially waterborne ( the best
TD
track I had heard in years ) and Summer Storm. All tracks at a high level.
Really
a must.
> I spoke with Gray who produced and filmed the Oasis video and he
> confirmed that there is additional music which never made it onto the
> Video.
>
A pity that that ( so good) extra track and not released on the CD. Since the
TDI
version is about 45 minutes long there is enough room to put a lot more music on
it ( and to release a single version for all fans round the globe)
--Francisco
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Subject: Re: Wavelength Boot
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
> Really-From: TangerineC@a...
>
>
> I came across somebody selling this Bootleg Cd of Wavelength and was
> wondering what was the difference between this and the official release?
I saw one copy of this pirate CD in Germany. Although I did not buy record,
I would say the track listing should be the same as the official release.
The cover also essentially the same.
Jeffrey
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Subject: Re: Klaus and USA
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Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
>Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
By the way-is Drive in Vol 2 out ?
Yes it is out.I have had it for at least a year to a year and a half. I
did not enjoy it as much as the first one. If you want some groove oriented
material buy Klaus's
'Are You Sequenced'. It is kinda like Klaus meets Dream
Mixes with new material.
THE HIGHLANDER
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Subject: Re: Klaus vs. TD
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tadream mailing list wrote:
>
>
> << There's no 'vs.' here. Klaus would get knocked on his ass in two
> seconds. His music is no comparison to the wizardry of TD throughout the
> years. I'd rather see TD use a dat recorder live than watch Klaus
> actually play live. That's how tedious and mindless I find his music.
>
> thats funny...thats exactly the way i feel about ur last two posts on this
> subject...
Wow, did you work that out on the chalkboard Tommy?
>
> rea;ize he has this cultic following but come on, it's nothing more than
> dedeedededededededededededededededeededededed 'snip' (continue for two
> hours. Heck, stay in Germany Klaus. We North Americans actually like to
> have melody and song in our music.
>
> im still waiting for your demo...
>
> tom w
>
> np: schulze - historic edition disc 4
Oh, here we go with another idiot trying to start another thread of
useless bickering. Everyone note this person because these awesome
responses are exactly what builds foundation for flame wars. The only
demo you'll get from me is one you'll have to buy because I'm not
sending you a promo out of the kindness in my heart, that's for sure.
Besides, you wouldn't like my kind of music. It has melody and
structure, unlike Mr Klaus. Now the point here is, Mr genius Tommy, is
that I'm critiqing Klaus' music, NOT you...genius. So, if you have
something to say about Klaus....say it...but keep your comments about me
private so the people reading here don't have to waste time reading your
opinion of me. Now, don't be a loser...get back to the topic of Klaus
and how much his music cramps.
Regards,
Dano
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Really-From: Jonathan Miller
Hi everyone,
I have the following limited-edition CD sets for sale in absolutely perfect
condition, priced in UK pound sterling. Any interested parties should
contact me via the details below:
Klaus Schulze, 'Jubile Edition': a 25-CD set (!) of unreleased studio and
live recordings spanning the last 25 years, released this summer to
celebrate Schulze's 50th birthday, no less. I'm looking for offers in the
region of Ģ325 for this one!
Klaus Schulze, 'Silver Edition': an autographed 1993 10-CD set of unlreased
mostly early 1990s studio and soundtrack recordings, although it also
includes 1975 and 1977 concert recordings. Offers in the region of Ģ125.
Ash Ra Tempel, 'The Private Tapes': a 1996 6-CD set of unreleased 1970s and
1980s recordings by Manuel Gottsching and his groups Ash Ra Tempel and
Ashra. Offers around Ģ100.
Christopher Franke, 5 limited-edition 'Babylon 5' 'episodic' CDs containing
music from the following single shows in its entire length: 'Severed
Dreams'; 'A Late Delivery From Avalon'; 'Walkabout'; 'Shadows Dancing' &
'Z'Ha'Dum'. Ģ80 ono for the set.
Best wishes and continued success with your future projects,
jsm
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Subject: Klaus vs TD??
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Really-From: ashok prema
I actually saw Klaus in Derby last year I think it was.......after 15 mins
or so I went out and returned 20 mins later - no difference in the
monotonous sequence and doodling on top - so after another 10 minutes or so
of this - I went home!
TD live(DAT?) is certainly much more exciting to both watch and listen to -
I took my 6 year old daughter to the Tournado Tour in Shepherds Bush - she
thoroughly enjoyed it - although falling asleep for a spell (way past
her bed-time!) - funny - but when I was listening to 'Tournado' in the car
a week later - she said ' Daddy - this was where the lights start
flashing very fast - and then it slows down here' - and she was right - so
the music HAD registered. (she knew most of it beforehand as I listen to it
in the car all the time - she sings along with the guitar bits).
Incidentally, any Klaus fans want 2 x cd-Rs of apparently unreleased
material from his Amsterdam '88 gig (I think....I'll check) please mail me
off-line.....I have 4 sets only.
Ash
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This has been bugging me for a long time...that KS is included in the
discussions in the same breath as TD. He was on the first album over 25
YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!
SO WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Here, Here
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>Heck, stay in Germany Klaus. We North Americans actually like to
>have melody and song in our music.
Hey, Dano, you really managed to illustrate Klaus's points very well. I had
my doubts whether Klaus was only generalizing. Now, after your post, I
realize that Klaus spoke the truth in his interview and is a good observer
too... :-)
Hilmar
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> Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
>
> >Heck, stay in Germany Klaus. We North Americans actually like to
> >have melody and song in our music.
>
> Hey, Dano, you really managed to illustrate Klaus's points very well. I had
> my doubts whether Klaus was only generalizing. Now, after your post, I
> realize that Klaus spoke the truth in his interview and is a good observer
> too... :-)
>
> Hilmar
Great, another derogatory remark to start something. Well, with a name
like Hilmar...what did I expect? Go listen to some Klaus and drift into
a deep coma...please?
Dan
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> Really-From: Tom807@a...
>
> This has been bugging me for a long time...that KS is included in the
> discussions in the same breath as TD. He was on the first album over 25
> YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!
> SO WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hot, someone who's noticed too. Exactly! The same goes for Steve
Schroyder, Steve Joliffe, etc, etc. These guys were such a minute part
of TD I fail to see how they should even count. They showed up for one
album or one tour and then everyone cares. I wonder if in 15 years
everyone will be asking 'hey, what's Zlatko Perica doing these days?'
Even Micheal Hoenig gets all of this TD recognition when all he did was
help them tour. What's next, a new album from Zlatko which says 'former
member Tangerine Dream'? Sorry, I meant...'former guitar slapper
Tangerine Dream'.
Dano
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Subject: We interrupt the Klaus vs. TD rant for an important bulletin
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Greetings all-
If you want a chance to get your hands on _Ambient Monkeys_ and/or _Dream
Mixes 2_ *before* Jan./Feb., then surf on over to
www.rpmrecords.com/arrivals.html. My buddy Randy will be happy to provide
them to you, as long as they're in stock.
We now return you to the previous thread, still in progress.
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>Has anyone just come to the conclusion that Klaus' music just sucks? I
>realize that this statement isn't very prolific, but perhaps it's why
>no
>one cares. Klaus' music just isn't that good. Of course you'll always
>find people who care. Heck, even a whole tape of cricket noises will
>sell to some people...so why not Klaus' music? The thing is, he's not
>very popular whereas a group such as Pink Floyd or Jean Michel Jarre
>will sell out because their music is actually listenable. Hey man,
>it's
>just my opinion (I'm sure joined by thousands heh heh).
>
>Dano
>
I have to agree with Dano on this one. While SOME of Klaus' music is
good (ie: The Dome Event), most of it is rather boring compared to TD.
Of course we all have our individual opinions here, but TD rules the
genre as far as I am concerned.
Matt
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Subject: Re: Oasis
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Can we purchase the video of OASIS yet on VHS or laserdisc. If so,
where? I hear that much of it was filmed in my own state of UTAH!
Matt
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Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
Hermes,
Regarding the _Ambient Monkeys_ and _Dream Mixes 2_ CD's:
could you supply an e-mail address (rather than an URL) for those of us
who are not allowed to surf the net (this is my case)? Also, ordering
information would be welcome, as I assume thay are part of the (non-accessible
to me) web page (i.e.: price, acceptable payment method, etc.)
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Greetings all!
Here's the complete ordering info for those who don't have web access:
(...)phone us toll free at 1-888-2 RPM REC if you are in the United States.
If you are calling from outside the United States call us at 972-681-8441.
We will need your charge card number, expiration date, and shipping
address. The order will be processed the same day and sent out via UPS
Ground (unless other arrangements are made). It's that easy!
We do accept checks. If you want to reserve an item email
sales@r... and reserve it! We will hold the item until we receive
the check or money order and then process the order. If you want to call
972-681-8441 feel free to do so.
We accept the following charge cards:
MasterCard, Visa, Discover, and American Express.
We do want to make you happy. If recieve any merchandise that is defective
we will accept it in return for exhange for the same item or a similar item
that is in stock. Sorry, we cannot give cash refunds. Shipping rates are as
follows: First item is $2.50 and each additional item is $.50 each
thereafter. Any order over $100 is freight free within the United States!
We ship via US Mail (priority if over 2 items) or UPS. Sorry we cannot ship
UPS to a P.O. Box.
Overseas and foreign orders are welcome. Shipping is actual cost. Most
countries outside of the U.S. are $3 or first cd and $1 each cd thereafter.
Pacific Rim countries are higher. Canada is the same as the U.S. Laser
discs overseas are $5.50- $6 per disc. Double discs count as 2 etc. We will
only charge actual cost. We cannot be held responsible for items shipped
overseas with out insurance and registration. If you want to insure your
package (especially if you live in the Pacific Rim, Italy, Africa, South
America etc.) it is highly
recommended! The postal service in those countries are not the best. We are
not responsible if you do not insure packages to those countries!
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Subject: Where To Find Soundtracks & Information on Film Music (11/29/97)
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Where To Find Soundtracks & Information on Film Music (11/29/97)
The following is taken from the rec.music.movies FAQ and should be of help if
your looking for soundtracks on CD or information about film music.
This was last updated on (11/29/97)
In most cases, during the time that a film is current, the soundtrack for it
(if released), is available at your local CD store. For older films, or
harder to find soundtracks, try these stores.
North America
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COMPACT DISC CONNECTION
(soundtracks are mainly in the shows.cdc catalog)
1030 E. El Camino, #322
Sunnyvale, CA 94087
Voice: (408) 985-7905
Fax: (408) 985-0464
email: ftp@c...
WEBSITE: www/cdconnection.com
A convenient on-line CD store that features all kinds of music, including
a wide selection of soundtracks.
They are reachable by modem or by telnet.
DISC-Connection
7990 Sunset Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90046
Phone: 213-650-2464
Website: e: http://www.Disc-Connection.com
Large section of out-of-print CD's and LP.
DISQUES CINEMUSIQUE
4426, rue Ernest-Gendreau,
Montreal, Quebec, H1X 3J3 Canada
Phone : (514) 522-9590
Fax : (514) 522-2607
website: : http://www.disqcine.qc.ca
Email: disqcine@c...
A Fine Section of New and Near Mint Used CD's.
DRG RECORDS
157 W. 57th St.
New York, NY l00l9
(212) 582-3040
Fax (212) 459-9437
FOOTLIGHT RECORDS
113 East 12th Street
New York, NY 10003
Voice: (212) 533-1572
Fax: (212) 673-1496
E-Mail: Footlight1@a...
Website: http://www.footlight.com
A fast mail order service including both new and out-of-print material.
GNP CRESCENDO RECORDS
8400 Sunset Blvd
Hollywood California, 90069
Toll Free: (800) 654-7729
Voice: (213) 656-2814
Fax: (213) 656-0693
E-Mail: mrgnp@e...
Website: http://www.gnpcrescendo.com
INTRADA
1488 Vallejo Street
San Francisco, CA 94109
Voice: (415) 776-1333
Fax: (415) 776-2666
e-mail: intradanet@a...
http://members.aol.com/intradanet/intrada.htm
The official outlet of the Intrada label. They do mail-order including
overseas, and carry both domestic and import stock from other labels.
JABBERWOCKY PRODUCTIONS
P.O Box 3269
Santa Monica, CA 90408
(310) 828-1588
Fax (310) 829-9447
E-mail: jabwocky@a...
http://members.aol.com/jabwocky/index.htm
MOBY DISC
6850 Canby Ave. #105
Reseda CA, 91335
Phone: (818) 881-9908 (Monday - Friday; 9a.m. - 4p.m. PST)
Fax: (818) 881-0339
E-Mail: records@m...
website: http://www.mobydisc.com
*Fax: (818) 881-0339 (Anytime) / Use This Easy Form
*Snail Mail to: 6850 Canby Ave. #105, Reseda CA, 91335
This company is selling a number of titles from the back catalogue of BAY
CITIES RECORDS. Supplies are very limited!!!!!!
Screen Archives Entertainment
PO Box 34792
Washington DC 20043
(202) 328-1434
FAX: (202) 328-0745
NipperSAE@a...
website: http://www.writemoore.com/st-cafe/saeframe.html
Specializes in soundtracks, and carries some of those scores you just
won't find anywhere else,
SILVA SCREEN RECORDS AMERICA
1600 Broadway
Suite 910
New York, NY 10019
Voice: (212) 757-1616
Fax: (212) 757-2374
Toll-Free Order numbering: 800-757-7515
E-Mail Address: SILVABOP@a...
website: http://www.silvascreen.com
( also see SILVA SCREEN RECORDS below)
SOUNDTRACK ALBUM RETAILERS (S.T.A.R.)
PO Box 487
New Holland, PA 17557
Voice: (717) 656-0121
Fax: (717) 656-0121 [yes, voice & fax are the same #]
(Closed Friday afternoons and weekends)
Email: star@c...
website: www.soundtrak.com
Exclusively sells soundtracks (both CDs and LPs); many import soundtracks
available.
SUPER COLLECTOR
16547 Brookhurst Street
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
Voice: (714) 839-3693
Toll free: (800) 997-2434
Fax: (714) 839-8263
E-Mail: supercollector@s...
website: www.supercollector.com
VARESE SARABANDE
11846 Ventura Boulevard, Suite 130
Studio City, California, 91604
Ph: (818) 753-4143
Fax:(818) 753-7596
email: info@v...
Website: www.varesesarabande.com
The official outlet of the Varese Sarabande label and VARESE CD Club.
LASER PERCEPTIONS
3300 Judah Street
San Francisco, CA 94122
Voice: (415) 753-2016
Fax: (415) 564-3821
Toll-Free: 888-687-2467
Email: lasers@ LASERPERCEPTIONS.com
WEBSITE: www.LASERPERCEPTIONS.com
BOOKS NIPPON
605 W.7th St
Los Angeles, CA 90017
Voice: (213) 891-9636
Fax: (213) 891-9631
email: nippon@n...
Two sources for Japanese anime soundtracks, such as AKIRA and ROBOTECH,
etc.
WEST POINT RECORDS
24365 San Fernando Road
Newhall, CA 91321
Phone/Fax: (805) 253-2190
Specializes in soundtracks on LP only; has over 10,000 records in stock.
Write for a newsletter/catalog and include a 'want list' if you're
interested in specific releases.
Europe:
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BACKTRACK
The Old Grammar School Rye
East Susses TN31 7PJ
England
Phone: +44-179 222-752
44-179-223-543
No fax, sorry - but fast service.
B.F.S (aka SOUNDTRACK!)
ATNN: Mr. Luc Van de Ven
Kon. Astridlaan 171
2800 Mechelen
Belgium
Voice +32-15-4141-07
Fax: +32-15-43-36-10
Email Address: scq@p...
Handles various soundtracks (VERY HARD TO FIND ITEMS) and PROMETHEUS RECORDS.
CAM
Via Virgilio 8
00193 Roma
Italy
Voice: +39-6-687-4347
+39-6-687-4220
Fax: +39-6-687-4046
website: http://www.cam-ost.it
Has reissued many soundtracks from classic Italian movies. For a copy of
their full catalog, send $10 (American money is accepted). Their CD releases
are available in the United States through Intrada.
CINEMA-SOUNDTRACK CLUB
Postfach 52 02 65
2259l Hamburg
Germany
Contact Person: Christian Krohn
Voice: 49-40-89-085-200
Fax: 49-40-89-05671
This is the soundtrack mail order arm of EDEL RECORDS, they handle EDEL
soundtracks and are one of the best mail order houses in Germany.
Cine Musique
50, rue de l'Abre Sec
75001 Paris
Tel: (1) 42-60-30-30
Fax: (1) 42-60-30-22
Dedicated solely to soundtracks, this store in Paris is run by the
helpful Jean Herz and David Afrouz.
Fenn Music Services
Holtenklinker StraBe 82
21029 Hamburg
Voice:+49-40-724-3620
Fax: +49-40-721-1480
FENN Music distributes the TSUNAMI Label, ALHAMBRA, and LABEL 'X' EUROPE
MOVIE BLVD
3 Cherry Tree Walk
Leeds LS2 7EB
England
Voice: +44-113-2-422-888
Fax: +44-113-2-438-840
'Probably England's largest soundtrack dealer' --FILM SCORE
MONTHLY. Send 1 pound, or four International Reply Coupons, for a large
catalog.
PRIOR ARRANGMENTS
53 Rosedale Rd
Romford, Essex RM1 4QR
011-44-1708-764-835
New/Used Vinyl
RARE DISCS (Formly known as 58 DEAN STREET)
18 Bloomsbury Street,
London WC1. B3QA
Tel: +44-171- 580-3516
FAX 44-181-788-3809
Screenthemes:
3 Newland Close
Toton
Beeston
Notts. NG9 6EQ
England
phone / fax (+ 44) 115 973 2431
Run by Gareth Bramley, he produces two large bi-monthly catalogues for
vinyl/cassettes and CDs. They are 1.50 pounds each for UK residents, 2
pounds for other parts of Europe and 2.50 pounds for the rest of the
world. UK postage stamps and $US notes are accepted.
SOUNDTRACKS DIRECT
3 Prowse Place
London NW1 9PH
Voice: +44-171-428-5500
Fax: +44-171-482-2385
EMAIL: James@s...
website: http://www.silvanet.demon.co.uk
Also has a first-rate mail order services for soundtracks from the USA.
Studio 200
200 Middeton Road Hey Wood
Lancashire 0L10 2LH
UK Service only (No phone Information available)
TARANTULA RECORDS
Postfach 11 02 82
20402 Hamburg
Germany
Voice: +49-40-35 35 11
Fax: +49-40-34 34 07
Features a large selection of international and European CDs and LPs; write
for a free catalog.
Really good websites for soundtrack information:
Filmtracks: CD - Reviews Updated weekly http://www.filmtracks.com
Movietunes: http://www.movietunes.com
SoundtrackNet: http://www.soundtrack.net
CinemaTrax: : http://www.cinematrax.com
SoundTrack Express: http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ns6tod/ostpage.htm
The Soundtrack Cafe: http://writemoore.com/st-cafe
The Soundtrack Resource Center: http://pwp.ibl.bm/~sgallant/index.html
Marco Polo: http://www.hnh.com/hnh.htm
Play It Again: http://www.auracle.com/pia
Rykodisc: http://www.rykodisc.com
Silva Screen Unofficial Site:
http://freespace.virgin.net/gary.kester/silva.htm
FILM MUSIC ON RADIO AND THE INTERNET:
Satudays @ 9:00 (Pacific time-USA) SOUNDTRACK CINEMA hosted by Ford A.
Thaxton can be heard LIVE on KING FM RADIO 98.1 by way of REAL AUDIO by going
to: www.king.org
A pure net version SOUNDTRACK CINEMA is also available on DEMAND @
www.film.com, with a new program uploaded each and every week.
For more information or to get on the SOUNDTRACK CINEMA mailing send a
request to: FORDAT1@a...
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USENET NEWSGROUPS.
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There is a very active usenet newsgroup devoted to film music called:
rec.music.movies
This newsgroups is widely read by a number of professionals in the field of
film scoring and a wide range of collectors.
It's an excellent place to ask questions about various soundtracks and
scores, as well as to locate hard to find soundtracks.
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HOW TO WRITE TO YOUR FAVORITE FILM COMPOSER
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The best way to contact a composer is by writing to their performing rights
society like ASCAP or BMI.
To find out if the composer you want to reach is a member one or the other
just look at the credits of their CD's, most say if they are with BMI or
ASCAP.
I'd include a short cover letter to the people asking them to forward you
letter to the composer in question.
Here's the snail mail address's for both in LA and a break down of who
belongs to which company.
James Horner (ASCAP)
Danny Elfman, (BMI)
Hans Zimmer (BMI)
James Newton Howard (ASCAP)
and John Barry (BMI)
Here's the address's
Name of Composer
c/o BMI
Film & Tv Dept.
8730 Sunset Blvd
3nd Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90069
http://www.bmi.com
Name of Composer
c/o ASCAP
7920 Sunset Blvd
Suite 300
Los Angeles, CA 90046
http://www.ascap.com
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FILMUS-L is an open, moderated list for the discussion of film music, i.e.,
dramatic music for films and television. Some possible topics are reviews of
current film scores and soundtrack albums, discussion of film composers, film
music history and theory, and requests for information about film music (such
as film music credits, location and availability of research materials, and
how to get in touch with film music professionals).
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It is possible to receive the contents of this list as a 'digest', a periodic
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on how to receive the list digest when you subscribe. If not, you should send
a politely-worded inquiry to the list contact.
I'd urge first time subscribers to try the digest verison when they first
sign-on, Ford A. Thaxton (FordaT1@a...)
The server address (the address for commands such as SUBSCRIBE,
SIGNOFF, etc.) is now:
LISTSERV@L...
You can now search the archives and retrieve the weekly log files
interactively at this web address:
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Here is information on another soundtrack mailing list that might be of some
interest to you, THE SOUNDTRACK MAILING LIST, for more info on email
'soundtrack-talk@w...'.
Periodicals:
============
(a) Film Score Monthly:
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Almost monthly. Q&A, letters, classified ads, upcoming CD recordings,
upcoming film scores, CD reviews, articles and interviews. Approx 24
pages/month.
Subscription rates are now $22/year US, $24/year Canada, $28/year rest of
world. Issues are 24 pages, full of stuff, interviews, reviews, news, etc.
For a sample issue, send $3 to:
Lukas Kendall
5967 Chula Vista Way
#7
Los Angeles, CA 90068
Direct: (213) 464-7919
Fax: (213) 464-5916
E-mail him if you have any questions or live somewhere where you can't just
go and get $3 U.S. cash.
Questions can be directed to Lukas Kendall at: ldkendal@u...
(b.) Legend-The Jerry Goldsmith Society
Hi! I am Jonathan Axworthy, the Subscription Secretary of the society
which follows the career and work of Jerry Goldsmith and other filmusic
composers. The society is a non-profit making organisation is now in its
tenth year with a world-wide membership, and our aims are to bring
together all lovers of filmusic. We produce the magazine 'Legend' which
is published 3 times a year. Jerry Goldsmith is the life president of
the society.
Membership fees are: 12pounds for UK and Europe, 15pounds for all other
countries. Only cheques and international money orders made payable to
'The Goldsmith Filmusic Society', in pound sterling can be accepted, due
to the high commissions charged for processing foreign currency cheques.
The address for all subscriptions and enquiries is:
Jonathan Axworthy
102 Horndean Road
Emsworth
Hants
PO10 7TL
England
Telephone/Fax 01243-371635
or you can send an E-mail to me via BRIAN@I... (oh for my own
E-mail address!)
I personnaly collect the music of a great many composers of many
nationalities, and have been doing so for over 30 years. I would welcome
correspondence from anyone else totaly hooked on this drug called Film
Music!
Thanks in advance
Jonthan Axworthy
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(c.) MUSIC FROM THE MOVIES
MUSIC FROM THE MOVIES is a UK based soundtrack magazine printed on high gloss
paper and overall is quite good.
MUSIC FROM THE MOVIES
The Garden Flat
2 Upper Belgrave Road
Cilffton, Bristol BS8 2XQ
Great Britain
Phone: +44-117-9-736-811
Fax: +44-117-9-238-153
Rates:
All Rates are in English pounds
UK: l0 Pounds for four issues
Rest of Europe,USA and Canada: l4 Pounds
Rest of the World: l6 pounds
all payments not made in pounds sterling add 5 pounds per subscription,
(d.) 'New Zealand Film Music Bulletin.'
Colin A. Adamson's publishes this quarterly journal,
consisting of 24 pages in A5 format. The current issue, May 1995, No. 90,
contains some of the following: A Passion for Soundscapes (a reprint of an
article on the New Zealand film composer - Michelle Scullion), Musical Notes
>From Abroad, Phil Knows the Score (an article on New Zealand film composer
Phil Judd), Radio Interview with Ron Goodwin, New Soundtrack Releases, The
Jeff Hall Report (from the United Kingdom), Movies on New Zealand TV, the
Trading Post, and a Richard Markowitz filmography.
I was in Wellington, New Zealand in March of this year and regret that I was
unable to personally thank Colin, for religiously publishing his Film Music
Bulletin since the early 1970's.
I am sure that Colin would send a sample copy of his Film Music Bulletin to
anyone that requests one. Annual subscriptions (for 4 issues) are: $5.00 New
Zealand; $10.00 Australia, U.S.A., Canada, Japan; and 5 pounds sterling U.K.
& Europe. Cash is accepted.
You can write to Colin at:
Colin A. Adamson
35 Jenkin Street
Invercargill, New Zealand
Thom Moore
Troy, Michigan
E-Mail Address: ThMoore3@A... (Thomas J. Moore)
(e.) SOUNDTRACK!:
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SOUNDTRACK! is issued on a quarterly basis from Belgium. It's probably one
of the oldest soundtrack publications around. An example issue features a
great interview with John Williams, a complete and detailed filmography of
Jerry Goldsmith, and international new release information.
SOUNDTRACK!
c/o Luc Van de Ven
Kon. Astridlaan 171
2800 Mechelen
Belgium
Voice +32-15-41-41-07
Fax: +32-15-43-36-10
E-Mail Address: scq@p...
Rates:
Great Britain: 10 Pounds sterling per year (Cash Only)
Europe: 500 Belgian Francs
(Payable by International Postal Order)
Japan: 600 Belgian Francs
(Payable by International Postal Order)
in North America make your checks and money orders for $22.00 payable to:
SUPER COLLECTOR
Attn: John Alcantar
16547 Brookhurst Street
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
Voice: (714) 839-3693
Toll free: (800) 997-2434
Fax: (714) 839-8263
E-Mail: supercollector@s...
website: www.supercollector.com
(f.) The Score:
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Society of Composers & Lyricists
400 South Beverly Dr., Suite 214,
Beverly Hills, CA 90212,
tel (310) 281-2812.
http://www.filmscore.org
A excellent periodical on film scoring is 'The Score,' published by the
Society of Composers & Lyricists, SCL is an organization of film
composers and lyricists. Dean thinks that The Score is currently available
only to members, but has suggested that they sell subscriptions to the
public to raise money. The Score has interviews with prominent composers,
articles about legal and business issues of interest to film composers,
historical articles and anecdotes, etc.
From:
tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
Date: Sat Nov 29, 1997 8:52
pm
Subject: Re: Klaus vs. TD
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Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 97-11-29 03:18:55 EST, you write:
<< > << There's no 'vs.' here. Klaus would get knocked on his ass in two
> seconds. His music is no comparison to the wizardry of TD throughout the
> years. I'd rather see TD use a dat recorder live than watch Klaus
> actually play live. That's how tedious and mindless I find his music.
>
> thats funny...thats exactly the way i feel about ur last two posts on this
> subject...
Wow, did you work that out on the chalkboard Tommy?
actually, i did danny-o...i usually think before i post...
> rea;ize he has this cultic following but come on, it's nothing more than
> dedeedededededededededededededededeededededed 'snip' (continue for two
> hours. Heck, stay in Germany Klaus. We North Americans actually like to
> have melody and song in our music.
>
> im still waiting for your demo...
>
> tom w
>
Oh, here we go with another idiot trying to start another thread of
useless bickering. Everyone note this person because these awesome
responses are exactly what builds foundation for flame wars.
it would seem to me that foundations for flame wars are built with lucid
comments like this:
'I'd rather see TD use a dat recorder live than watch Klaus
actually play live. That's how tedious and mindless I find his music.' or:
'Has anyone just come to the conclusion that Klaus' music just sucks?' or:
'Heck, even a whole tape of cricket noises will
sell to some people...so why not Klaus' music?' or, the best yet:
'but come on, it's nothing more than
dedeedededededededededededededededeededededed 'snip' (continue for two
hours.'
The only
demo you'll get from me is one you'll have to buy because I'm not
sending you a promo out of the kindness in my heart, that's for sure.
Besides, you wouldn't like my kind of music.
if u remember correctly, when u attempted to trash brian eno and a whole
genre of music about 6 weeks ago, u stated that u could put 'farts in an
empty mansion' on tape and it would sound better...i asked u to prove it
then, and u said u would...
It has melody and
structure, unlike Mr Klaus. Now the point here is, Mr genius Tommy, is
that I'm critiqing Klaus' music, NOT you...genius.
and my point is, that i am critiquing you, because u have no point....to
shallowly generalize about a man's 20 year + body of work, without even
offering the semblance of evidence is disingenuous at best, crash bullshit
at worst...am i to believe that you've listened to all of schulze's work,
just like u listened to all of eno's? or is it all based on ur assessment of
the dune soundtrack, which u seemed to have listened to? its one thing to
critique based on knowledge, its another to write shit for the hell of it...
So, if you have
something to say about Klaus....say it...
but keep your comments about me
private so the people reading here don't have to waste time reading your
opinion of me.
again, the point is that ur opinions of schulze's music have no
relevance...its one thing to hide behind the old adage, 'its all a matter of
taste', but its quite another to publicly write the shit you do...the
credibility of the messenger is equally important to the message, imo...
Now, don't be a loser...get back to the topic of Klaus
and how much his music cramps.
ur right here...i probably am a loser for getting worked up over ur pathetic
drivel...and if schulze's music cramps u so much, why do u listen to
it...and, what is it u listen to that doesnt cramp u up? illuminate me....
tom w
np: schulze - live
From:
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: Which is more boring: ZEIT or Klaus Schulze? ;)
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Seeing as I complained to the Space Music list about having to hear
people prattle on about Klaus Schulze, only to find out that the Space
Music list was originally started as a Klaus Schulze list (what happened,
did the list subscribers run out of things to say?)--and to have my mail
reader clogged with even more irrelevant crap than before--I am not too
surprised that the same has happened here. But then, waaaaaaay back in
the early days of the TD list, I was actually on the Jean-Michel Jarre
list, too, and I'll tell ya, the boredom that comes from extended Schulze
discussions doesn't come anywhere near the tedium of Jarre soliloquies.
Thank God Jean-Michael Jarre never did anything with TD, because if he
did, we'd all have to put up with occassional flames about who hates or
loves Jarre. That would be a *real* waste of time.
Anyways, time for some fun. I'll just add my snide remarks to what
has already been stated re Schulze on this list in the past few days.
For those with a life, bail out now! ;)
Okay, awaaaaaaaaay we go:
>Subject: RE: Schulze hates USA?
>Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:02:31 -0500
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>the 'truth' is that KS is just afraid to come to NA [. . .] he's
>obviously got some real serious self-esteem issues... [. . .]
Considering that ticket-buying attendees and critics with press
passes would both think a Schulze concert bites, I think he's made a
wise choice not to waste his and our time. I saw Cluster when they came
to Cambridge. They were pissed off at the venue because of noise from
the kitchen. I was pissed because most of what was played bit. Hardly
50 people showed up, so I think they only toured in support of selling
product for the label that picked up their catalogue for US sales. Lame
as the show was, it at least had aural variety: something that Schulze
can't claim, even on a good day.
>Subject: Klaus Schulze hates USA?
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:14:13 -0800
>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
>In a message dated 97-11-26 10:57:57 EST, you write:
>
>[. . .] Klaus is right! We Americans would never pay $20 to hear his
>music live, especially after somebody (in the UK, I believe) said it
>consists of 'simple one-handed solos over 100% pre-programmed textures.'
>(That person also said they could have pulled off the show if Klaus had
>'taken ill' by being given a run-through an hour-or-so before showtime!)
Hee hee: Kraftwerk syndrome strikes again. Nice to know that not
only hardcore techno is guilty of such metronomic tedium. ;)
>Subject: Re: Schulze hates USA?
>Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:59:44 -0800
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Organization: Rakinik Intertype
>Really-From: DJS
>
>Has anyone just come to the conclusion that Klaus' music just sucks? I
>realize that this statement isn't very prolific, but perhaps it's why no
>one cares. Klaus' music just isn't that good. [. . .]
Heh. I've got about 7 Schulze albums on vinyl and three more on
tape. I seldom spent over $6 for one. I bought them because I was told
that TD fans are supposed to like Schulze. Well, I think some of his
stuff is good (BODY LOVE II and TRANCEFER), but that most of it is lame
or poor. Think of Jean-Michel Jarre sans OXYGENE, ZOOLOOK and WAITING
FOR COUSTEAU--frighteningly boring!
>[. . .] Heck, even a whole tape of cricket noises will sell to some
>people... [. . .]
You're treading on dangerous ground, here. Have you heard AMBIENT
MONKEYS, yet? It's not a whole hell of a lot better than a whole tape
of canned animal sounds.
>Subject: Re: Schulze hates USA?
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:23:24 -0500 (EST)
>Really-From: Tom807@a...
>
>This has been bugging me for a long time...that KS is included in the
>discussions in the same breath as TD. He was on the first album over 25
>YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!
>SO WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My sentiments exactly. But then, what about the argument that THE
KEEP is only one score or 'Ultima Thule' is only one 45? ;)
>Subject: Re: Schulze hates USA?
>Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 10:35:23 -0800
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson)
>
>[. . .] While SOME of Klaus' music is good (ie: The Dome Event), most
>of it is rather boring compared to TD.
Compared to *what* TD? ZEIT, maybe? ;) :) :) :)
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Re: Klaus vs. TD
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Really-From: AOutland@a...
In a message dated 97-11-28 13:26:27 EST, you write:
<< I'd rather see TD use a dat recorder live than watch Klaus >>
All right Dano! Now I KNOW why you stay here. Some of your comments made
me think you were really against TD.
In all fairness to KS, however, I have his 72-93 CD which contains
pieces of his best and I find it to be mostly good especially the lively Dome
Event. At least the parts included are good, but I don't know what the whole
album would sound like.
Anyway, thanks again for the informative comments you have made here.
Dell
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Date: Sat Nov 29, 1997 11:31
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Subject: Re: Schulze hates USA?
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In a message dated 97-11-29 09:28:09 EST, you write:
<<
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Really-From: Tom807@a...
This has been bugging me for a long time...that KS is included in the
discussions in the same breath as TD. He was on the first album over 25
YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!
SO WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
Tom, I think most have the opinion that once a person has been a member
of TD, he will always be a member in our hearts. Why do you think so many
still lament that Baumann and Schmoelling are absent and they have been gone
several years also? I also miss Linda Spa even tho' several here don't, but I
loved the sax.
Aside from the fact he was a member on only one album he is also very
active in the electronic music field and, therefore, somewhat in competition
with TD. It is natural to compare entities that dominate the same field. We
could have the same discussion regarding JMJ. Dell
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Date: Sat Nov 29, 1997 11:21
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Subject: Re: Klaus vs. TD (again)
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
>
snip
>tom w
>
>np: schulze - live
This is a fantastic album, especially track 2.
Too bad it hasn't got the foldout poster. That's why I
also bought the LP-version.
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels/fsp.htm
Email :fsp@w...
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From:
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Date: Sun Nov 30, 1997 12:50
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Subject: TD vs. Schulze - quit trying to 'win' the argument
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In a message dated 97-11-29 13:04:44 EST, you write:
<< I have to agree with Dano on this one. While SOME of Klaus' music is
good (ie: The Dome Event), most of it is rather boring compared to TD.
Of course we all have our individual opinions here, but TD rules the
genre as far as I am concerned.
>>
This is really getting ridiculous. The whole idea of this list is to share
opinions, not bash them in favor of what you believe is the 'right' opinion -
and from that, determine what you do or don't like about TD and similar
music.
My opinion is just the opposite of the above - I think TD for the most part
has been much more boring that TD in recent years. That doesn't mean I
always LIKE Schulze better than TD. But I don't really expect anyone to care
that much about my opinion on this, nor would I try to change someone else's,
or say my view is 'right.' Besides, trying to generalize about two icons who
have changed so dramatically over the last 30 years is awfully difficult
(well, apparently not for some people). :-)
Some people like KS best, others like TD best, others like both. YOU ARE NOT
GOING TO CHANGE MINE OR ANY ONE ELSE'S OPINION, SO QUIT TRYING! I must
admit, it's been the liveliest topic on tadream in quite some time, with a
smattering of interesting discussion here and there - but the rest smacks of
downright hatred toward one another. Could we move on, please?
Oh, and as far as discussing band members who were only in TD a short time,
go back and read your intro from when you signed on to this discussion list -
that's part of why the list was formed, and there is at least some interest
in it. And if you start reading an email about a former TD artist you don't
care about, gee whiz, there's always that DELETE key.
Phil Derby (preparing for the next intelligent flame in response...)
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
> >np: schulze - live
>
> This is a fantastic album, especially track 2.
> Too bad it hasn't got the foldout poster. That's why I
> also bought the LP-version.
Good man, that man ! 'Sense' is superb !
np: fsp: substance
Jens
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Subject: Re: Klaus vs. TD Enough already!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Let's stop this stupid exchange about KS vs. TD vs. KS vs. TD. It's not
going anywhere, and getting boring.
In a message dated 97-11-29 16:44:17 EST, you write:
<< << > << There's no 'vs.' here. Klaus would get knocked on his ass in two
> seconds. His music is no comparison to the wizardry of TD throughout the
> years. I'd rather see TD use a dat recorder live than watch Klaus
> actually play live. That's how tedious and mindless I find his music.
>
> thats funny...thats exactly the way i feel about ur last two posts on
this
> subject...
Wow, did you work that out on the chalkboard Tommy?
actually, i did danny-o...i usually think before i post...
> rea;ize he has this cultic following but come on, it's nothing more than
> dedeedededededededededededededededeededededed 'snip' (continue for two
> hours. Heck, stay in Germany Klaus. We North Americans actually like to
> have melody and song in our music.
>
> im still waiting for your demo...
>
> tom w
>
Oh, here we go with another idiot trying to start another thread of
useless bickering. Everyone note this person because these awesome
responses are exactly what builds foundation for flame wars.
it would seem to me that foundations for flame wars are built with lucid
comments like this:
'I'd rather see TD use a dat recorder live than watch Klaus
actually play live. That's how tedious and mindless I find his music.' or:
'Has anyone just come to the conclusion that Klaus' music just sucks?' or:
'Heck, even a whole tape of cricket noises will
sell to some people...so why not Klaus' music?' or, the best yet:
'but come on, it's nothing more than
dedeedededededededededededededededeededededed 'snip' (continue for two
hours.'
The only
demo you'll get from me is one you'll have to buy because I'm not
sending you a promo out of the kindness in my heart, that's for sure.
Besides, you wouldn't like my kind of music.
if u remember correctly, when u attempted to trash brian eno and a whole
genre of music about 6 weeks ago, u stated that u could put 'farts in an
empty mansion' on tape and it would sound better...i asked u to prove it
then, and u said u would...
It has melody and
structure, unlike Mr Klaus. Now the point here is, Mr genius Tommy, is
that I'm critiqing Klaus' music, NOT you...genius.
and my point is, that i am critiquing you, because u have no point....to
shallowly generalize about a man's 20 year + body of work, without even
offering the semblance of evidence is disingenuous at best, crash bullshit
at worst...am i to believe that you've listened to all of schulze's work,
just like u listened to all of eno's? or is it all based on ur assessment of
the dune soundtrack, which u seemed to have listened to? its one thing to
critique based on knowledge, its another to write shit for the hell of it...
So, if you have
something to say about Klaus....say it...
but keep your comments about me
private so the people reading here don't have to waste time reading your
opinion of me.
again, the point is that ur opinions of schulze's music have no
relevance...its one thing to hide behind the old adage, 'its all a matter of
taste', but its quite another to publicly write the shit you do...the
credibility of the messenger is equally important to the message, imo...
Now, don't be a loser...get back to the topic of Klaus
and how much his music cramps.
ur right here...i probably am a loser for getting worked up over ur pathetic
drivel...and if schulze's music cramps u so much, why do u listen to
it...and, what is it u listen to that doesnt cramp u up? illuminate me....
tom w
np: schulze - live
>>
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In a message dated 97-11-29 18:41:16 EST, you write:
<< >[. . .] While SOME of Klaus' music is good (ie: The Dome Event), most
>of it is rather boring compared to TD.
Compared to *what* TD? ZEIT, maybe? ;) :) :) :)
>>
Hey, I like ZEIT (but maybe for the wrong reasons :-) ), and no, not just
to piss off Jerome...
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Date: Sun Nov 30, 1997 7:42
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Subject: Re: Klaus vs. TD
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> if u remember correctly, when u attempted to trash brian eno and a whole
> genre of music about 6 weeks ago, u stated that u could put 'farts in an
> empty mansion' on tape and it would sound better
Wrong, I said I'd rather LISTEN to farts resonating in a mansion than
Eno's dribble.
Wrong again. You said 'where's your album of better music'
> then, and u said u would...
All in time. I have a LOT of things happening in my life and my music
takes a back seat to my novels and my comic books, as well as my family
and my work at SuperTracks. Don't worry, when my first CD is out, I'll
send you a copy just so you'll shut up. You will shut up when you get
one, right?
>
> and my point is, that i am critiquing you, because u have no point....
Which you are doing because it will what???
to
> shallowly generalize about a man's 20 year + body of work,
That's the sad part, after 20 years all he can do is
edededededededededededededededededededed......man you made my point for
me so well.
without even
> offering the semblance of evidence is disingenuous at best, crash bullshit
> at worst
I have heard enough of his music to form an opinion of his style and
'music'. Too bad YOU can't live with it. get over it, I still think
Klaus sucks dog.
So am I to assume that you bought Schulze's first album, hated it, then
kept buying them hoping they'd stop reeking? If an album sucks, I try
once more...if it still sucks...I abandoned that artist. Are you still
buying Klaus albums hoping that he'll change or get better? Damn dude,
what is that....thirty albums? Forty now? Well, keep buying them...maybe
he'll change.
> just like u listened to all of eno's?
See above (I never listen to music I hate...it's just an unpopular
thing)
or is it all based on ur assessment of
> the dune soundtrack, which u seemed to have listened to?
Did I mention that Dune is getting re-released by Prometheus with
additional music from Toto..and NO Eno tracks? You can order your copy ,
dude, by calling 1-800-99-sci-fi. The CD should be available in 2 weeks
or so!
its one thing to
> critique based on knowledge, its another to write shit for the hell of it...
Wow, yer pretty prolific pilgrim.
>
> So, if you have
> something to say about Klaus....say it...
> but keep your comments about me
> private so the people reading here don't have to waste time reading your
> opinion of me.
>
> again, the point is that ur opinions of schulze's music have no
> relevance
Pretty arrogant statement. For someone to say another's opinion is
worthless isn't very politically correct...or just plain nice. After
all, aren't opinions....just opinions?
> taste', but its quite another to publicly write the shit you do...the
> credibility of the messenger is equally important to the message, imo...
But wait....what makes your opinion mean a damn thing if mine doesn't?
Right? Uh, duh..
>
> Now, don't be a loser...get back to the topic of Klaus
> and how much his music cramps.
>
> ur right here...i probably am a loser for getting worked up over ur pathetic
> drivel
You are, but I forgive you. The world need losers too.
> it
I DON'T! How many times do I have to say it...I don't listen to Klaus!
I've sampled his crap and moved on. Get it?
Many things don't cramp. They are:
Mark Shreeve
T. Dream (the FFS & FFH eras & my Street Hawk stuff)
Andy Pickford (especially Maelstorm)
JMJ
Variety of OST's (Among my favorites- Krull expanded edition, Conan The
Barbarian, Cutthroat Island, Transformers The Movie 2 cd set,
Waterworld, Excalibur, Buckaroo Banzai, various John Carpenter, Heavy
Metal the Movie etc, etc)
Rush
Vangelis
and so many others. Want a more extensive list? By composer?
>
> tom w
>
> np: schulze - live
Dano
np: who cares.
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>Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
>>Heck, stay in Germany Klaus. We North Americans actually like to
>>have melody and song in our music.
>Hey, Dano, you really managed to illustrate Klaus's points very well. I
had
>my doubts whether Klaus was only generalizing. Now, after your post, I
>realize that Klaus spoke the truth in his interview and is a good observer
>too... :-)
Bad move, Hilmar. Keep all slams centered on the music, not the people...
If you and that TWeibre361@a... guy can't handle people voicing their
opinions about music (while you guys voice your own), whether pos/neg, then
perhaps it's better not to read the tadream list. On the other hand, Ash
Prema has this hilarious memento to share about Klaus's live performance,
which only adds to the relevance of Dano's posts; so why don't you guys bag
on Ash, as well? Because Klaus's sonic noodlings are just that: as
musically viable as Cup a Noodles is a 'fine' meal?!?!?
>Really-From: ashok prema
>I actually saw Klaus in Derby last year I think it was.......after 15
>mins
>or so I went out and returned 20 mins later - no difference in the
>monotonous sequence and doodling on top - so after another 10 minutes or
so
>of this - I went home!
>TD live(DAT?) is certainly much more exciting to both watch and listen to
HAHA...hilarious, Ash! If you walked out, then I'm certain I would, too.
You were obviously at a festival...which other artists were on the bill?
>Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
>>Oh, here we go with another idiot trying to start another thread of
>>useless bickering. Everyone note this person because these awesome
>> responses are exactly what builds foundation for flame wars.
>it would seem to me that foundations for flame wars are built with lucid
>comments like this:
>'I'd rather see TD use a dat recorder live than watch Klaus
>actually play live. That's how tedious and mindless I find his music.'
or:
I hate to inform you, Tom, but if I worried about what people (in a
negative light) thought of Mark Shreeve, Rush, Eternity X, TD, ELP, Goblin,
etc., and adhered to it, I'd have missed out on so much darn good music.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If someone thinks Klaus sucks (I
don't care for his stuff, either), and you can't hang with it, adopt my
attitude: 'So what.' And yes, you are bickering.
>>Now the point here is, Mr genius Tommy, is
>>that I'm critiqing Klaus' music, NOT you...genius.
>and my point is, that i am critiquing you, because u have no point....to
>shallowly generalize about a man's 20 year + body of work, without even
>offering the semblance of evidence is disingenuous at best, crash
bullshit
>at worst...am i to believe that you've listened to all of schulze's work,
>just like u listened to all of eno's? or is it all based on ur assessment
>of the dune soundtrack, which u seemed to have listened to? its one thing
to
>critique based on knowledge, its another to write shit for the hell of
>it...
I can tell you're a tried-and-true Schulze fan. More power to you. Don't be
pissed about it; just sit back, turn on the cd and tape decks, and offer to
make Dan a compilation tape of your fave tracks...the ultimate defense,
which automatically becomes an offense. It doesn't mean Dan will be
converted, it will just indicate you are less-than-affected by someone's
'shallow generalizing' about music you like.
To some, Vangelis is synonymous with God, but I only care for a few of his
works. The rest doesn't stick. Is this a 'shallow generalization' about
someone whose career matches Klaus's chronologically, if not
materialistically?
>>So, if you have
>>something to say about Klaus....say it...
>>but keep your comments about me
>>private so the people reading here don't have to waste time reading your
>>opinion of me.
Dan has a point here, Tom. So many people posted complaints about our
October humorfest, that the complaints themselves were the actual 'clutter'
that everyone who receives their mail in digest mode complained of....NOT
our bona fide posts. A sort of lynch mob, if you will. Several people I
emailed personally. Most never responded. They know who they are.
>again, the point is that ur opinions of schulze's music have no
>relevance...its one thing to hide behind the old adage, 'its all a matter
>of taste', but its quite another to publicly write the shit you do...the
>credibility of the messenger is equally important to the message, imo...
The only credibility a fan needs, per se, is the fact that he spent money
on the artist's release. We don't even have to venture into the dark fields
of musican vs. musician credibility. By spending our hard-earned money on
said artist's release designates each and all of us critics, and that's
what we're doing, Tom: criticizing. I do it. You do it. Dan does it.
GoldTri members do it. Live with it.
Regards,
EMan
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A feature Tangerine Dream review of all four
new albums (Oasis/Tournado/Ambient Monkeys/
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In a message dated 97-11-30 07:36:56 EST, you write:
<< Really-From: Anil Prasad
A feature Tangerine Dream review of all four new albums
(Oasis/Tournado/Ambient Monkeys/TimeSquare) is now available on Innerviews
with full album graphics at:
http://www.innerviews.org
Cheers, >>
Oh, great. I went to the websight, and read reviews of two TD albums that I
can't get!!!!!
AAaaaaaaaaaaagh!!!! At they end of the reviews they had a link to
Voiceprint, and Voiceprint has no listing for the CDs!!!!!!!!! C'mon!!!!
Where can I buy these TD CSs???!!!
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Subject: Re: TD vs. Schulze - quit trying to 'win' the argument
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>This is really getting ridiculous. The whole idea of this list is to
>share
>opinions, not bash them in favor of what you believe is the 'right'
>opinion -
>and from that, determine what you do or don't like about TD and
>similar
>music.
>
>My opinion is just the opposite of the above - I think TD for the most
>part
>has been much more boring that TD in recent years. That doesn't mean
>I
>always LIKE Schulze better than TD. But I don't really expect anyone
>to care
>that much about my opinion on this, nor would I try to change someone
>else's,
>or say my view is 'right.' Besides, trying to generalize about two
>icons who
>have changed so dramatically over the last 30 years is awfully
>difficult
>(well, apparently not for some people). :-)
>
>Some people like KS best, others like TD best, others like both. YOU
>ARE NOT
>GOING TO CHANGE MINE OR ANY ONE ELSE'S OPINION, SO QUIT TRYING! I
>must
>admit, it's been the liveliest topic on tadream in quite some time,
>with a
>smattering of interesting discussion here and there - but the rest
>smacks of
>downright hatred toward one another. Could we move on, please?
>
>Oh, and as far as discussing band members who were only in TD a short
>time,
>go back and read your intro from when you signed on to this discussion
>list -
>that's part of why the list was formed, and there is at least some
>interest
>in it. And if you start reading an email about a former TD artist you
>don't
>care about, gee whiz, there's always that DELETE key.
>
>Phil Derby (preparing for the next intelligent flame in response...)
>
Talk about contradicting yourself!!!!!!!! WOW!
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In a message dated 97-11-30 09:23:12 EST, you write:
<< A feature Tangerine Dream review of all four new albums
(Oasis/Tournado/Ambient Monkeys/TimeSquare) is now available on Innerviews
with full album graphics at:
http://www.innerviews.org
Cheers, >>
Oh, great. I went to the websight, and read reviews of two TD albums that I
can't get!!!!!
AAaaaaaaaaaaagh!!!! At they end of the reviews they had a link to
Voiceprint, and Voiceprint has no listing for the CDs!!!!!!!!! C'mon!!!!
Where can I buy these TD CSs???!!! >>
I mean the Ambient Monkeys and TimeSquare, I have the others. - Tom
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>>EMAIL MARKETING WORKS!!! (blah blah blah)
>Keep this crap off the TD list!!!!
> ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
> (unrecoverable error)
No way to send'em flame messages :(
See ya!
:) Michael (:
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At 06:31 PM 11/29/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: AOutland@a...
>
>
>In a message dated 97-11-29 09:28:09 EST, you write:
>
><<
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>
>
> This has been bugging me for a long time...that KS is included in the
> discussions in the same breath as TD. He was on the first album over 25
> YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!
> SO WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>
> Tom, I think most have the opinion that once a person has been a member
>of TD, he will always be a member in our hearts. Why do you think so many
>still lament that Baumann and Schmoelling are absent and they have been gone
>several years also?
Because TD would have sucked without Baumann and Schmoelling.
What was Klaus' involvement on 'the album'? Didn't he play a cash register?
Morgan
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> What was Klaus' involvement on 'the album'? Didn't he play a cash > register?
He played drum, and even if Electronic Meditation is unrythmed and not very
good, drum was great as well as guitar, synthesizer and violin.
See ya!
:) Michael (:
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
Hi tadreamers,
Please ignore this message when you don't want to read it, but.....
REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A TANGERINE DREAM DIGEST AND NOT A SCHULZE DIGEST !!
When I'm interested in the German guy who made 2378748237489237 albums and
box sets with 32443855785 CDs in one set, I will subscribe to his list,
but...come on !! Let's focus us on TD !!!
All the best,
Wouter
PS. Just ordered Jim & Pablo, couldn't resist it !!
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Subject: FAQ contest
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Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings all!
Once again we interrupt our program 'Schulzenstien vs. Mekka-TD' to bring
you an important bulletin: there were no winners in the FAQ contest. In
fact, there were only *2* contestants, and they were both way out of range
to even consider closest guess wins! For those of you still awake during
our feature, we will now provide the correct answer to the question:
'TD did have *one* song featured in a Miami Vice episode; what song was it?'
'HINT: It's from one of the trio lineups (but not one you might expect...)'
And the answer is: 'Sunrise In the Third System'! It was featured in the
episode 'Redemption in Blood', during the scene where Crockett, who due to
a concussion thought he was his undercover drug-dealing alias Burnett, was
having a nightmare about walking on the beach and finding his partner Tubbs
lying dead in a glass covered coffin. When he gets close to investigate,
Tubbs wakes up screaming, which wakes up Crockett. The scene was only about
a minute+, so they only used the first minute+ of the song. But it fit the
scene.
Well, I guess I'll have to make the next contest easier, if only to get
more participants! Maybe.
We now return you to our regularly scheduled slag-fest, already in progress.
goozer
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Subject: A Fistful of Franke
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Really-From: Jim Moore
I recently received a bunch of Chris Franke's CD's, and thought
I'd give my nickle's worth:
*Perry Rhodan: Pax Terra
This is my favorite of the bunch. While I'm not familiar with
the character of Perry Rhodan (he appears to be a SF literature
character), the music is some of the best that CF and the BSFO
have put on an album. All the songs are full length and non-
incidental (unlike CF's soundtrack work). Themes are well developed,
and there is a rich variety of styles (classical, rock, ambient). Every
so often, some ideas from Babylon 5 creep in, but it's not very blatent.
The only negatives to the album are the lyrical portions. The
lyrics come across as simple, and they don't flow well. Including a
lyric only, version of 'Bridge to Eternity' doesn't add to the album (and
for that reason, I WON'T be buying the single CD of this song).
*Pacific Blue
Because of my own personal tastes in music (I dislike grunge,
alternative, and rap), I didn't find very much to like in this album. Lyrics
are plentiful, which is another negative (is it clear that I don't like Franke's
lyric songs yet?) On the other hand, since Franke takes his own approach
to these musical styles, I probably wouldn't find it as unlistenable as if
it was done by some other artists... It does make a good background
CD for playing Quake...
*Babylon 5 5-CD set
While I'm not a die-hard fan of the series, it is one of the more
interesting shows I've seen on American TV this decade. This CD set
(actually it's not a set, per se -- you can order the CD's seperately)
takes the complete and uncut soundtrack from each episode from which
the CD is named as opposed to the other two Babylon 5 CDs which
are edited collections of songs from multiple episodes. That being said,
here's how each of the CDs pan out:
(1) 'Severed Dreams' -- This is the best of the five for me since
it is the most action packed musically. However, as I listened to this,
I realized that I already had most of the music on the B5 Vol2 CD (and
this was true of many of the other CDs in the set). Good battle music,
but the other parts easily slip into the background.
(2) 'Late Delivery from Avalon' -- compared to (1), this album
doesn't go very far. There are some pieces reminiscent of 'Celtic Myst'
which are nice to listen to, but the rest like (1) don't do too much.
(3) 'Walkabout' -- two lyrical pieces are what seperates this
one from the others. Since the lyrics were written by the producer of
the show, they're a little more coherent.
(4) 'Shadow Dancing' -- Why this one was released on CD
confuses me: most of the music is lifted from 'Severed Dreams'. In
that case, why didn't he choose a different episode? Grrr...
(5) 'Z'ha'dum' -- a much darker album, with some extra stuff
that wasn't included on the B5 Vol2 CD. Second favorite of the 5.
Summary: Unless you're a die-hard Franke fan or B5 fan,
you're not getting a lot more in this set that you would with the other
two CD's. Having the songs in the exact format in which they occured
in the show is nice, but not much more. (I'm asking for flames for
this one maybe, but I'd LOVE to have the Stewart Copeland sound-
track to the pilot episode!)
- jimbo
'My grandmother is over eighty and still doesn't need glasses. Drinks right
out of the bottle...' -- Henny Youngman
'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo
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>>Hey, Dano, you really managed to illustrate Klaus's points very well. I
had
>>my doubts whether Klaus was only generalizing. Now, after your post, I
>>realize that Klaus spoke the truth in his interview and is a good
observer
>>too... :-)
>Bad move, Hilmar. Keep all slams centered on the music, not the people...
Ok, obviously you misinterpreted my post. I was just trying to make a
humorous remark (hence the smiley!), because I was genuinely amused about
the whole situation: First we have Klaus making these statements that he
doesn't like to come to the US because Americans have 'a short attention
span' which are probably quite over the top. But then Dano posted his bit
that he needed tunes and a melody, and I simply had to laugh about how
fitting this all was. Hence my post and the smiley.
So, you and Dano overlooked the smiley, and I failed to express myself
correctly. However: even if I had meant my posting as a criticism of Dano's
taste (which it wasn't), do you think that THIS response was in any way
called for:
>Well, with a name like Hilmar...what did I expect?
>Go listen to some Klaus and drift into a deep
>coma...please?
It is very sad that we have come this far on the list for words like these
to be posted. I don't know how the others feel, but the hatred that comes
out of this and similar messages from this person is really unbearable. I
wonder what Dave Datta must think when he sees where 'his' list is going
these days. I had never imagined we would have to deal with such
aggressiveness and foul personal attacks like these here. You can imagine
there were a few hundred fitting responses that came to my mind when I read
Dano's attack, but I will not lower myself to such levels to post them
here.
Hilmar
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Subject: Its Art - It's bloody Art, OK
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Really-From: Alistair Hull
Well, the last few days have been 'thrilling' watching a bunch of
self-proclaimed Art Critics saying that they thought their Dali was much
better than the other Guy's Van Gogh.
TD and KS are producers of art in audible form, No more. No less. Better
doesn't exist. Personal preferences, however, do, and that's what makes
us all human. I'm just glad it's not possible to fire a weapon over the
Internet, otherwise I feel we'd have lost a couple of list members......
Each to their own.
Flames out, guys.
Alistair (alistair.hull@l...)
NJ, USA.
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In a message dated 97-11-30 10:52:27 EST, you write:
<<
What was Klaus' involvement on 'the album'? Didn't he play a cash register?
Morgan
feldon@p...
>>
LOL, you're right about his minimal contribution to TD and Electronic
Meditation happens to be an album I returned to the store. However, I think
my other comment still stands regarding his competition to TD in the same
musical genre. Therefore, comparisons are appropriate IMO. Dell
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In a message dated 97-11-30 14:16:44 EST, you write:
<< PS. Just ordered Jim & Pablo, couldn't resist it !! >>
You'll be sorryyyyyyyyyyy..............
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On Fri, 28 Nov 97 15:04:37 -0600 (CST) tadream mailing list
wrote:
> Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
>
>
> (Sequence II)- Metropole Berlin Theme remix w/sax (unreleased)
Aaaaaaaargh!!!!! Literally, since I joined the list about a
year and a half ago, I've been looking and asking for the
title of that piece...and nobody knew it! How come it
suddenly appears to be common knowledge?
Dennis
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Really-From: lawry@h... (Lawry Simm)
After being admittedly anti E-man and Dano in the last set of flame wars,
(for which I hope all is forgiven), this time I'm with them both all the way.
If a member thinks KS sucks the big one, then fine. If someone thinks Goblins
Club is a turkey fine. I like Caleb's Blues... so what!! (Remember that one
Scott? :-) )
This list is a discussion group where people air their opinions. It's not
somewhere (IMHO) to lay down the law on what's good E-music and what's bad.
Opinions are only that, and to start flaming on a personal basis is beyond what
this list is for, and should be done in private. I just don't see what place
personal attacks have on this list, when at the end of the day, all that
occurred was an expression of opinion.
Me... I've never heard any Klaus Schulze solo stuff.
Lawry
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Date: Mon Dec 1, 1997 2:12
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Subject: Oasis video?
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Has anyone seen or purchased OASIS in video form yet???
If so, where did you get it?
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Really-From: CMOSLover
Hi all,
What with all the agro about KS at the moment this probably isn't a good time to
ask
this.. but what the hell..
Just to see what I was missing out on I bought a KS CD over the weekend and have
been
listening to it fairly often-its Beyond Recall (not the music, the album title!)
It's.. OK..
Some good ideas, just over repeated and unvaried.
I was wondering if anyone could tell me if this is a good example of his work,
or
are some
of earlier albums better..
Cheers,
CMOSLover
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Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
On Nov 30, 10:38am, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: RE:
> Really-From: Michael Richard
>
>
> >>EMAIL MARKETING WORKS!!! (blah blah blah)
> >Keep this crap off the TD list!!!!
>
> > ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
> > (unrecoverable error)
>
> No way to send'em flame messages :(
>
Perhaps not, but they got this nifty phone number for list members
living in L.A. to get back to them:
PLEASE CALL 213-980-7850 to process your order
8:00 am - 5:00 p.m. Pacific Time
> See ya!
>
> :) Michael (:
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Subject: RE: TD BOOTLEGS
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>Can anyone give me info on these bootleg cd's? Track listings,
sound
>quality,etc.? Thanks. Tom
>Tangerine Dream 20th Century Serenade live tracks
>Tangerine Dream Antarkis berlin 87/bristol 90
>Tangerine Dream In den Garten Pharaos Bristol 1990
Why don't you just buy my book? Or are you copying all this
information down and compiling your own? :-) Here's an excerpt from
Klaus's 'Bootlegged Dreams:'
TANGERINE DREAM - BOOTLEGS
--------------------------
last update on Tue, Jan. 2, 1995 by Klaus Beschorner
(klaus_beschorner@b... , no Mail bigger than 16 kBytes
!!!)
These bootleg release updates are collected from the tadream
mailing list (tadream-request@c...) and archived in:
ftp://cs.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/tadream/bootlegged.dreams.update
For a comprehensive story about the bootlegs released
before
May 1992 (basically the article from 'Voices in the Dunes')
get:
ftp://cs.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/tadream/bootlegged.dreams
Overview :
----------
Quality is sound quality on a 1-10 scale, 10 is best
(=professional= CD)
Source is : LP, CD or CDR (Recordable CD), otherwise : tape
Date Venue / Title (min=playing time, qu=quality,
sc=source) min qu sc
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
13.12.74 Reims Cathedrale 'Live Improvised' 2CD
86 8 CD
02.04.75 London 'The coefficient of aural expansion 1'
60 9 CDR
16.08.75 Orange 'A Dream Unbound/Seekers of Dreams' LP+Single
43 5 LP
. .76 Brussels 2.2.76 + 26.11.76 'Danger Live'
71 9 CD
08.11.76 Nottingham Usher Hall (Part I ) 'Me-Rad'
66 8 CD
31.03.77 Detroit 'The Emerald Beyond (LP) / Acoustic LSD (CD)'
37 7 CD
02.04.77 Cleveland 'US-Tour '77' - 2LP (does this really exist
???) 81 7 LP
10.04.77 Montreal Place des Arts 'Transformation'
60 8 CDR
21.04.77 Seattle 'Fotzenslecker/Netzlautstrke/Babylon's
Strange' 32 7 LP
31.01.80 Ostberlin 'White Cloths' (both concerts + interview)
174 8 R
31.01.80 Ostberlin 'Staatsgrenze West'
44 7 LP
31.01.80 Ostberlin 'Don Quixotte' (pirate of official Amiga-LP)
47 8 LP
05.11.80 Preston (Part I) 'Undulation(LP)/Soundtrack for
Fantasy(CD)' 44 8 LP
05.11.80 Preston (Part II) 'Space Trucking'
35 8 LP
29.08.81 Berlin Platz der Republik 'Official bootleg tape'
92 6
25.10.81 Newcastle (Part I ) 'Space & Spheres'
45 6 LP
25.10.81 Newcastle (Part II) 'Space Trucking'
7 6 LP
25.10.81 Newcastle 'Dreamtime'
60 8 CDR
22.02.82 Sydney 'Leprous Appearance on Wednesday'
47 8 LP
22.02.82 Sydney 'Dreaming' (='Leprous..'+Ultima Thule Part I)
51 7 CD
01.03.82 Melbourne 'Rtikon'(59m)+ POPOL VUH/MAN (14m)+BRIAN ENO
(7m) 71 8 CD
11.06.83 Frankfurt 'Fassbinder Memorial Concert'
30 8 LP
.03.86 unknown concert 03/86 'Electronic Inspiration Live
1985' 38 7 LP
27.03.86 London'Timeless Space/The Nameless is the origin+Alien
Rock'103 8 LP
29.03.86 Kln 'Relativity'
54 8 LP
31.03.86 Paris (Part I) 'Parisian Dreams - Teknikon'
44 9 LP
31.03.86 Paris (Part II) 'Parisian Dreams Too - Teknikon'
39 6 LP
31.03.86 Paris (Part II) '3 Tier Dream On' (+'Cliffs of Sydney')
45 6 CD
06.06.86 Laguna Hills 'Somanbulistic Imagery' 2CD
108 9 CD
21.06.86 Toronto 'Undercover Dreams' (inc. Ultima Thule Part I)
89 7 LP
01.08.87 Berlin Reichstag Part I + 3 tr.Bristol 6.11.90
'Antarktis' 74 9 CD
01.08.87 Berlin Reichstag Part II '20th Century Serenades'
61 9 CD
.11.87 'The Canyon Dreams' (music from the video)
42 8 LP
29.08.88 Columbus 'Live in the USA 1988 Part I - Ardem-O'
55 8 CD
29.08.88 'Collected Endings' (Columbus 88 pt.2 + Nottingham 76
pt.2) 54 8 CD
06.09.88 Boston (Part 1) 'Sperical Hermonics One'
62 8 CD
07.09.88 New York 'Sound and Effects' (inc. one MARK SHREEVE
track) 69 6 CD
.10.88 'Live in the USA 1988' - 7'-Single
11 8 LP
.10.88 Cassette box 'USA 1988 Tour Box'
455 7
. .89 Soundtrack Box Vol.I Promo
(Keep/Soldier/Forbidden/Strange) 149 7
. .90 '70/90' (Soundtrack excerpts and singles)
75 8 CD
06.11.90 Bristol (Part I) 'Bicycle Race'
46 8 LP
06.11.90 Bristol (Part II) 'In den Grten Pharaos'
75 8 CD
06.11.90 Bristol Part I 'Singet, denn der Gesang..' PICTURE DISK
48 8 LP
. .92 'Fragments' (Soundtracks, singles, tracks 1977-1986)
60 8 CDR
. .92 'Prayer of Quiet Dreams' (Soundtracks 1971-1990, Live
1992) 70 7 CD
04.10.92 Toronto 'Dreaming on Danforth Avenue'
60 8 CD
. .93 '3 Tier Dream' 3CD (London 76, London 82, Paris 86,
single) 175 8 CD
. .93 'Alien Air Music' (various live tracks 1986-1989)
57 9 CDR
. .93 'Mystery Tracks' (Flashpoint,Quinoa,Singles)
7710 CD
. .93 'Crazy for Dream' (unrel.tracks from C.dreams+Crazy for
you) 61 8 CDR
. .94 'The Complete Works of THE KEEP' (Studio, TV, Film)
75 8 CDR
. .94 'Rare Trax 1' (rare tracks 1967 - 1987)
59 7 CDR
. .94 'The dream is not always the same' (Berlin
1976,1980,1982) 69 8 CDR
. .94 'Sol et Luna - Mystery Tracks 2'
(Heartbreakers+Singles) 77 9 CD
***There's a lot more information in the complete file, which is
available via FTP at the address above.
Scott
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> Really-From: CMOSLover
>
> Just to see what I was missing out on I bought a KS CD over the weekend and
have
> been listening to it fairly often-its Beyond Recall (not the music, the album
> title!)
>
> It's.. OK..
>
> I was wondering if anyone could tell me if this is a good example of his
work, or
> are some of earlier albums better..
Fortunely youīve picked up one his better releases. Itīs Muttīs Nuts compared
to some other stuff like Dreams, f.e.
Iīd recommend Timewind (1975), Mirage (1977), X (1978) of his earlier albums,
starting with Timewind. If you prefer more varied stuff you can choose his
newest release, a live CD called 'Dosburg Online', which is a bit tasty and
runs about 80 minutes. Youīll find a review at
http://pweb.uunet.de/peschke.h/ks_dosburg.htm
Enjoy
Jens
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>> >Heck, stay in Germany Klaus. We North Americans actually
like to
>> >have melody and song in our music.
> >
>> Hey, Dano, you really managed to illustrate Klaus's points
very well. I had
>> my doubts whether Klaus was only generalizing. Now, after
your post, I
>> realize that Klaus spoke the truth in his interview and is a
good observer
>> too... :-)
>Great, another derogatory remark to start something. Well, with
a name
>like Hilmar...what did I expect? Go listen to some Klaus and
drift into
>a deep coma...please?
I have to side with Dano on this one. I like some of KS's music,
but a lot of it sounds to me like Zeit on downers. I can't see how KS is
so venerated and comparable TD is so hated. It's fine as an experiment,
but an entire career?
Scott
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>Hot, someone who's noticed too. Exactly! The same goes for
Steve
>Schroyder, Steve Joliffe, etc, etc. These guys were such a
minute part
>of TD I fail to see how they should even count. They showed up
for one
That's why I didn't include their solo projects in my book.
>album or one tour and then everyone cares. I wonder if in 15
years
>everyone will be asking 'hey, what's Zlatko Perica doing these
days?'
>Even Micheal Hoenig gets all of this TD recognition when all he
did was
>help them tour. What's next, a new album from Zlatko which says
'former
>member Tangerine Dream'? Sorry, I meant...'former guitar
slapper
>Tangerine Dream'.
If Zlatko's stuff is the same genre as TD, then I think people
will discuss it. Much of Schulze's & Hoenig's stuff is in the same vein
as TD, and that's why the warrant discussion, IMHO. I don't have a
problem with it, as long as it's restrained.
Scott
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Subject: RE: OASIS video
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Subject: RE: Its Art - It's bloody Art, OK
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>Well, the last few days have been 'thrilling' watching a bunch
of
>self-proclaimed Art Critics saying that they thought their Dali
was much
>better than the other Guy's Van Gogh.
Different movements, can't compare them.
>TD and KS are producers of art in audible form, No more. No
less. Better
>doesn't exist. Personal preferences, however, do, and that's
what makes
>us all human. I'm just glad it's not possible to fire a weapon
over the
>Internet, otherwise I feel we'd have lost a couple of list
members......
Very true. You can't fault him as an artist, but you can
critique his work, and better _does_ exist, otherwise the Cleveland
Orchestra would be playing the Spice Girls, Danielle Steele would be
winning the Nobel prize for literature and the picture of the dogs
playing pool would be in the National Gallery of Art. However, it's not
enough to say 'KS sucks.' 'KS sucks because all of his music is endless
repetition,' is much better.
Scott
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> Quoted From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson)
>
> Has anyone seen or purchased OASIS in video form yet???
> If so, where did you get it?
>
I've seen it at local Tower Records shops. I haven't picked it up yet,
tho... This is a bad time of year for me to make unecessary purchases!
:-)
Dave B.
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>
>
> Got mine at a shop called Natural Wonders. Try 'em.
>
> EMan
>
>
I have a sealed copy to sell for only $16 if anyone wants one. Now that
I have the CD I don't need the vid.
Dan
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> >Tangerine Dream'.
> If Zlatko's stuff is the same genre as TD, then I think people
> will discuss it. Much of Schulze's & Hoenig's stuff is in the same vein
> as TD, and that's why the warrant discussion, IMHO. I don't have a
> problem with it, as long as it's restrained.
>
> Scott
True, but I would assume he'll (Zlatko) always be a rocker. Hoenig's
Xcept One is a work of art. I love that album and am bummed that his
efforts failed to go beyond that. Nowadays he's doing little more than
droning haunt music for Dark Skies (ala The Gate or The Blob). I have no
problem with the retro thing (have you heard Mark Shreeve's homage to
Rubycon or Sorcerer...Redshift? Amazing!) but it would be nice if the
retro deal included what I consider classic TD, the F/F/S era of course.
How sweet it would be if Hoenig went back in the studio and made a
sequel to Xcept One.
Danster
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In a message dated 97-12-01 11:40:03 EST, you write:
<< > Has anyone seen or purchased OASIS in video form yet???
> If so, where did you get it?
>
I've seen it at local Tower Records shops. I haven't picked it up yet,
tho... This is a bad time of year for me to make unecessary purchases!
:-)
Dave B.
>>
Same here. If it doesn't have any new music on it, I doubt I'll buy it --
ever. The video-thang doesn't really interest me. It's TD's music. That's
what it's all about..
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Hello Mat,
-=> Quoting tadream@c... to John von Pey <=-
ta> Can we purchase the video of OASIS yet on VHS or laserdisc. If so,
ta> where? I hear that much of it was filmed in my own state of UTAH!
I have seen it at the Utrecht record fair. A company called Groove Unlimited
had it. And as far as I know, they still have it.
You can email them at groove@m...
They also have a homepage: http://mcs.nl/groove/
I've got these adresses from their catalog. They also have a lot of TD
and related stuff for not too high prices (Quinoa is in there for 60 guilders,
that is app. 30 US dollar! BUT IT IS SOLD OUT!!!)
I don't have the tape yet, so I can't give any comments on its contents.
Tadream on,
John
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Hi everyone,
I have the following limited-edition CD sets for sale in absolutely perfect
condition, priced in UK pound sterling. Any interested parties should
contact me via the details below:
Klaus Schulze, 'Jubilee Edition': a 25-CD set (!) of unreleased studio and
live recordings spanning the last 25 years, released this summer to
celebrate Schulze's 50th birthday, no less. I'm looking for offers in the
region of Ģ325 for this one!
Klaus Schulze, 'Silver Edition': an autographed 1993 10-CD set of unlreased
mostly early 1990s studio and soundtrack recordings, although it also
includes 1975 and 1977 concert recordings. Offers in the region of Ģ125.
Ash Ra Tempel, 'The Private Tapes': a 1996 6-CD set of unreleased 1970s and
1980s recordings by Manuel Gottsching and his groups Ash Ra Tempel and
Ashra. Offers around Ģ100.
Christopher Franke, 5 limited-edition 'Babylon 5' 'episodic' CDs containing
music from the following single shows in its entire length: 'Severed
Dreams'; 'A Late Delivery From Avalon'; 'Walkabout'; 'Shadows Dancing' &
'Z'Ha'Dum'. Ģ80 ono for the set.
Best wishes and continued success with your future projects,
jsm
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Subject: No TD: Kent where are you?
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
Sorry for the personal note. . .
I've been trying to reply to Kent 'K.E [kent-nbe@p...]' but it
keeps getting rejected, and I don't deal with rejection well. If you're
reading this, the trade is OK, just let me know when you're ready.
Scott
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In a message dated 97-11-29 21:44:52 EST, you write:
<< Let's stop this stupid exchange about KS vs. TD vs. KS vs. TD. It's not
going anywhere, and getting boring.
>>
Hey! I don't know if that is entirely accurate. Lots of discussion
about the comparison of apples and oranges is wholly worthwhile. It has
really made my week.
NOT!!!
Phil Naunton
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Subject: Cancerous Post-Ectomy (Was Re: DELETE key IS the key)
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In a message dated 97-11-30 03:09:58 EST, you write:
<< PhilPDX@a...
And if you start reading an email about [anything] you don't
are about, gee whiz, there's always that DELETE key. >>
An easy way to clear the air of the proliferation of verbal
fart-age is to note the combination of ridiculous post titles and related
authors, make the suitable surgery. The same way is used to rid oneself of
junk mail. One can easily cut the on/off-line reading time to a few minutes
per day, and (unfortunately) miss nothing of consequence, even if the post
level is in the huindreds.
Actually I'm down to reading messages from familiar names ONLY.
Everything else is just so much ariel bombardment.
Phil Naunton
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Subject: Nothing to Say; Nothing Being Said Anyways.
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
If anyone's wondering why I haven't posted anything to this list
for a bit, it's because of two reasons:
o I got a copy of the THE KEEP CD-R and have compared it to the Blue
Moon boot and the TDI CD, and will compare it to the video next.
o I don't have anything to say. And no, #2 isn't redundant to #1. ;)
Since both this list and the Space Music list are currently both
littered with useless crap about Mr. Play-One-Song-on-30-Albums, I'd
say that there are an awful lot of people around with nothing to say
who are nonetheless convinced that they *are* saying something all the
while. ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Re: Which is more boring: ZEIT or Klaus Schulze? ;)
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 04:23 PM 11/29/97 EST, you wrote:
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
Reading down through Steven's takes on the KS boondoggle-----
scrolling......
scrolling......
DING!! I KNEW he'd have a reference to The Keep in there somewhere! :-)öŋö
>But then, what about the argument that THE
>KEEP is only one score<<
Cheers,
Mike
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Subject: problems e-mailing Kent E
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
for kent and anyone trying to mail kent:
(warning: I'm not a computer person so don't shoot me! but this is an
answer both to kent, scott and others:)
if you reply to Kent E's e-mail you may need to enter manually his real
address:
My own experience is that his real address is somehow changed to
during the reply so you can't just hit your 'reply' key and
mail him back; if you do, your reply will just be bounced back. I don't
know exactly what causes this but someone on the list will ;-)
lars
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Subject: Re: TD BOOTLEGS
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Greetings all!
>Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
>> Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
>> (Sequence II)- Metropole Berlin Theme remix w/sax (unreleased)
>
>Aaaaaaaargh!!!!! Literally, since I joined the list about a
>year and a half ago, I've been looking and asking for the
>title of that piece...and nobody knew it! How come it
>suddenly appears to be common knowledge?
Well, I wouldn't say common knowledge, and I'm sorry if I missed your
earlier requests. It may actually have another title, but it is definately
a fleshed out version of one of the pieces from _Metropole Berlin_. Sorry
again for the confusion.
goozer
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Date: Tue Dec 2, 1997 5:35
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Subject: Re: Its Art - It's bloody Art, OK
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In a message dated 97-12-01 04:57:48 EST, you write:
<< TD and KS are producers of art in audible form, No more. No less. Better
doesn't exist. Personal preferences, however, do, and that's what makes
us all human. >>
Perfectly put. Wish I'd said that.
Phil Derby
Portland, OR
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Subject: Re: Re: Klaus vs. TD
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goozer wrote:
> Greetings all!
>
> >Really-From: DJS
> >(...)That's how tedious and mindless I find his music. I
> >realize he has this cultic following but come on, it's nothing
> >more than dedeedededededededededededededededeededededed 'snip'
> >(continue for two hours.
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA! ROTFLMAO! This is *exactly* how I feel
> about all of his post-'85 output! And a few of his pre-'85
> releases, too! He's turned into the German version of Kitaro (ie:
> let's release the same album 13 times!), IMO!
Hey, what about TD last 7 years? For me it's all the same, too.
Didn't bought any of them. Since Jerome joined the band the quality
and variety of TD's music diminished. And on diversity in KS music:
try Totentag, In Blue, Dark Side of the Moog 5 and 6 and 'Nuff Said
frim JE. You will hear a assortement of artistic expressivity TD
didn't reach the past years!
Georg
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where is the knowledge we lost in information,
where is the information we lost in data?
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>Really-From: Georg Veltmann
>>goozer wrote:
>> Greetings all!
>>
>> >Really-From: DJS
> >>(...)That's how tedious and mindless I find his music. I
> >>realize he has this cultic following but come on, it's nothing
> >>more than dedeedededededededededededededededeededededed 'snip'
> >>(continue for two hours.
>>
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA! ROTFLMAO! This is *exactly* how I feel
>> about all of his post-'85 output! And a few of his pre-'85
>> releases, too! He's turned into the German version of Kitaro (ie:
>> let's release the same album 13 times!), IMO!
ROTFLMAO!! The 'German Kitaro'???? Hee-larious!!! What an apt moniker for
the six-foot-plus King of Synthdroning!!! (...pssst, Hey, man, Kitaro
rocks!!!)
>Hey, what about TD last 7 years? For me it's all the same, too.
>Didn't bought any of them. Since Jerome joined the band the quality
>and variety of TD's music diminished.
I don't blame you for not buying TD's stuff, but as for their 90s output,
I'll take OASIS anyday over Klaus' entire discography.
>And on diversity in KS music:
>try Totentag, In Blue, Dark Side of the Moog 5 and 6 and 'Nuff Said
>frim JE. You will hear a assortement of artistic expressivity TD
>didn't reach the past years!
>Georg
If you say so, but not with my VISA!!! (too much excellent prog-metal to
order from Laser's Edge these days...)
EMan
np: Quiet Room, _Introspect_
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has anybody seen this? (memphis pd: war on the streets)? if so does anyone
have audio or video tape from it? what about the music? is this a one-off
or a series?
thanks
lars
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> Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
> Well, I wouldn't say common knowledge, and I'm sorry if I missed your
> earlier requests. It may actually have another title, but it is
definately
> a fleshed out version of one of the pieces from _Metropole Berlin_. Sorry
> again for the confusion.
(Maybe a dumb question here:) Then what was/is _Metropole Berlin_? I've
not heard of it before this posting?
- jim
'Now they show you how detergents take out bloodstains, a pretty violent
image there. I think if you've got a T-shirt with a bloodstain all over
it, maybe laundry isn't your biggest problem.'
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Subject: Canyon Dreams and True North DVD
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Hello
The catalogue nos. of Canyon Dream and True North DVDs are DVD # 7324 and
DVD # 7329 respectively. Those interested can take a look at the website
http://www.simitar.com.
Jeffrey
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Really-From: Jonathan Miller
Hi everyone,
I have the following limited-edition CD sets for sale in absolutely perfect
condition, priced in UK pound sterling. Any interested parties should
contact me via the details below:
Klaus Schulze, 'Jubilee Edition': a 25-CD set (!) of unreleased studio and
live recordings spanning the last 25 years, released this summer to
celebrate Schulze's 50th birthday, no less. I'm looking for offers in the
region of Ģ325 for this one!
Klaus Schulze, 'Silver Edition': an autographed 1993 10-CD set of unlreased
mostly early 1990s studio and soundtrack recordings, although it also
includes 1975 and 1977 concert recordings. Offers in the region of Ģ125.
Ash Ra Tempel, 'The Private Tapes': a 1996 6-CD set of unreleased 1970s and
1980s recordings by Manuel Gottsching and his groups Ash Ra Tempel and
Ashra. Offers around Ģ100.
Christopher Franke, 5 limited-edition 'Babylon 5' 'episodic' CDs containing
music from the following single shows in its entire length: 'Severed
Dreams'; 'A Late Delivery From Avalon'; 'Walkabout'; 'Shadows Dancing' &
'Z'Ha'Dum'. Ģ80 ono for the set.
Best wishes and continued success with your future projects,
jsm
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> Jonathanīs daily mail [...] CHOMP
Would anyone please buy Jonathanīs stuff, finally ?
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Really-From: 'Roger Smith'
Very curious. . . I turned the t.v. on before going to bed one night,
and there was a documentary about gang warfare in Memphis. I was
about to turn it off when I noticed that the background music (an
emotional part with the mothers of gang victims mourning) sounded very
much like you-know-who. So I began watching, and sure enough the end
credits included Tangerine Dream. I couldn't believe it.
Anyone with a tape of this? I'd sure like to see and hear it again.
Roger
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has anybody seen this? (memphis pd: war on the streets)? if so does anyone
have audio or video tape from it? what about the music? is this a one-off
or a series?
thanks
lars
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59
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Subject: Ultima Thule
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Really-From: scooter@m... (John Von Pey)
Hello All,
Last weekend I've been to the record fair at London Wembley. And to be
honest, I was a bit dissapointed about the size. It was as big as the
Utrecht one, while it was advertised as 'The only fair bigger than
Wembley stadium'.
And what the offered records concerned: most british dealers just had
a huge bunch of albums with one sign: New In. Nothing alfabeticly, all
just randomly sorted. Only the 'foreign' dealers had their records sorted.
So I won't go to that fair again!
The only TD related items I found (but did not buy):
3 10' acetates (this was not the guy from Utrecht, so there must be at
least 5 10' acetates available at the moment)
2 7' promo's (badly scratched)
a few bootlegs of no interest
The only interesting item I bought there was a russian pressing of Meat
Loaf's 'Blind before I stop' (there in almost no readable text on there,
almost all is Russian). But this guy said that he had some TD stuff at home.
Yes, I gave him my adress.
But now to Ultima thule.
In a record shop in Camden Town I found a single entitled 'Ultima Thule'.
From the inside out:
The single: black vinyl, white label with pink ears.
text on label: Ultima thule teil 1 (Edgar Froese)
STOS 57006A, 3:25, Super Stereo Sound, 0557 006
Ultima thule teil 2 (Edgar Froese)
STOS 57006B, 4:22, Super Stereo Sound, 0557 006
The single is packed in a clear plastic inner sleeve.
The outer sleeve is of black plastic, with no printing at all.
The outer sleeve is packed in a clear plastic sleeve, and on this there
is printed in grey inkt:
In the left upper corner: an ear, with underneat that: OS 57006, Super
Stereo Sound
In the right upper corner: tangerine dream
Along the bottom: ultima thule
On the back no printing, but you can see that the stamp has pressed
through (you can see a small hight difference were the printing at the
front is)
In the shop they had a xeros of the single, and the handwritten remark:
re-release.
Tadream on,
John
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59
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Subject: RE: TD BOOTLEGS
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Really-From: scooter@m... (John Von Pey)
Hello Scott,
-=> Quoting tadream@c... to John von Pey <=-
ta> Why don't you just buy my book? Or are you copying all this
ta> information down and compiling your own? :-) Here's an excerpt from
ta> Klaus's 'Bootlegged Dreams:'
OK, I've had it with your plugging for your book :-)
How can I order it?
ta> ***There's a lot more information in the complete file, which is
ta> available via FTP at the address above.
But unfortunately I don't have internet acces yet :-(
Tadream on,
John
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Subject: Re: many things don't cramp
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
At 02:06 30-11-97 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Really-From: DJS
>
>
>Many things don't cramp. They are:
>
>Mark Shreeve
>T. Dream (the FFS & FFH eras & my Street Hawk stuff)
>Andy Pickford (especially Maelstorm)
>JMJ
>Variety of OST's (Among my favorites- Krull expanded edition, Conan The
>Barbarian, Cutthroat Island, Transformers The Movie 2 cd set,
>Waterworld, Excalibur, Buckaroo Banzai, various John Carpenter, Heavy
>Metal the Movie etc, etc)
>Rush
>Vangelis
>and so many others. Want a more extensive list? By composer?
>
Hey dude.....
You forgot to mention the FOUR best PROGROCK bands of this millennium:
* Pink Floyd
* Porcupine Tree
* Ozric Tentacles
and.....
* Focus (Dutch progrock with the greatest guitarist in the world: Jan Akkerman).
But.....Eno/Byrne's My Life in the bush of ghosts has got some influence on
TD......do you know why...???? check out the main theme of The Keep by TD
and check out the second track on that Eno/Byrne album....almost the same
style of percussion......and you said that you dislike Eno ??? Come on
!!!!!!!!!!
All the best and please have sympathy for people who really enjoy to listen
to Klaus Schulze's music.
I've seen him playing live back in 1981 in Nijmegen, The Netherlands and it
was asskicking.
I do understand why some people dislikes his music, but.....I also have
sympathy for them !! It's just a question about music and not about a third
world war or something complicated like that !!!!
All the best and greetings to Tom,
Wouter.
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Subject: TD in Dance magazine
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
Ever on the lookout for references to TD, I found a brief article in
Dance Magazine about the Ballet Metropolitano de Caracas (I assume in
Venezuela) performing 'En Linea Recta' by Randy Rasquin to 'a sound
collage by Tangerine Dream.' Anyone have any idea what this was? I
assume this wasn't original music.
Scott E. Plumer
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Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
On Dec 2, 7:30pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Re: many things don't cramp
> Really-From: Wouter Bessels
>
>
(...)
> and.....
> * Focus (Dutch progrock with the greatest guitarist in the world: Jan
Akkerman).
Strange, I thought that they should also be known for having one of the most
incredible vocalist as well: Tijj Van Leer (sp???)
(...)
>
> Wouter.
>
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Date: Tue Dec 2, 1997 9:03
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Subject: Re: problems e-mailing Kent E
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Really-From: 'K.E'
Hi all
Well, Iīm still here reading the Tadream mailing list every day, but I
have also some private e-mailing going on with list members. If some of
you have problems trying to reach me - please try again and maybe use
Larsī method (Thanks Lars!)
Kent
> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
> for kent and anyone trying to mail kent:
> (warning: I'm not a computer person so don't shoot me! but this is an
> answer both to kent, scott and others:)
>
> if you reply to Kent E's e-mail you may need to enter manually his real
address:
>
> My own experience is that his real address is somehow changed to
> during the reply so you can't just hit your 'reply' key and
mail him back; if you do, your reply will just be bounced back. I don't know
exactly what causes this but someone on the list will ;-)
> lars
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Subject: Update my home page
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Subject: Ambient Monkeys?
Who in their right mind ever thought of the title of this one? Monkeys are not very ambient.. Maybe jungle sounds are.. but notmonkeys..or is it Ambient Monkees?'The best of the Monkees, now redone in ReMIX Sleepie--D. E. style!Oh I know! TD Enlisted a number of monkeys to mess arounds with a few e-balls! Unfortunately the sleepyanimals had better things to do thanto play catch...I'm not banging the album, just thinkingwhat a consumer might think aboutwhen looking at this album on a shelf.Greg H.
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Subject: RE: TD in dance magazine
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Date: Wed Dec 3, 1997 3:41
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Subject: Phaedream????
Hi everyone
Is Phaedream a live recording bootleg?
on the cd, it said that it's from Albert Hall 1975
the tracks are from Phaedra and Rybycon
Claude RoyLongueuil, Qc, Canada
http://pages.infinit.net/ozzz/travel.htmhttp://pages.infinit.net/ozzz/gci/gcimain.htm
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Subject: Re: TD BOOTLEGS
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Greetings all!
>Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
>> Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
>> Well, I wouldn't say common knowledge, and I'm sorry if I missed your
>> earlier requests. It may actually have another title, but it is
>definately
>> a fleshed out version of one of the pieces from _Metropole Berlin_. Sorry
>> again for the confusion.
>
>(Maybe a dumb question here:) Then what was/is _Metropole Berlin_? I've
>not heard of it before this posting?
It was a German TV documentary film from 1990, IIRC. I've never seen it,
but I've heard the music. Very _Man Inside-ish_. I think Klaus has it on
his trade list...
goozer
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Subject: Webmaster Offer
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In a message dated 97-12-01 09:54:00 EST, you write:
<< Why don't you just buy my book? Or are you copying all this
information down and compiling your own? :-) Here's an excerpt from
Klaus's 'Bootlegged Dreams:'
>>
No. I'm not compiling my own, I just wanted more info on these because I want
to purchase them.
From:
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Date: Wed Dec 3, 1997 12:20
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Subject: Jerome and TD
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>
> Hey, what about TD last 7 years? For me it's all the same, too.
> Didn't bought any of them. Since Jerome joined the band the quality
> and variety of TD's music diminished.
That's what I thought straight through from 'Melrose' to
'Tyranny of Beauty'. The exceptions being 'Quinoa' and '220
Volts', which I both only acquired recently. I think
Jerome's getting into it now, though, integrating his own
style with what we like about TD. His input on 'Goblin's
Club', 'Oasis', the 'Dream Mixes' and 'Time Square' is
considerable, and I actually like these albums. During the
early 90s, Edgar and Jerome seemed to base their
compositions - quite impatiently - on the question how to
get to the guitar solo as quickly as possible, and by
trying to be ever so quick and lively, they achieved the
opposite: It got boring. I have the impression that they've
calmed down now, and start producing beautiful pieces of
music again.
Dennis
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Ok, sorry I got a bit upset about this. Thanks a lot for
the information.
Dennis
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> Greetings all!
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> >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
> >> Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
> >> (Sequence II)- Metropole Berlin Theme remix w/sax (unreleased)
> >
> >Aaaaaaaargh!!!!! Literally, since I joined the list about a
> >year and a half ago, I've been looking and asking for the
> >title of that piece...and nobody knew it! How come it
> >suddenly appears to be common knowledge?
>
> Well, I wouldn't say common knowledge, and I'm sorry if I missed your
> earlier requests. It may actually have another title, but it is definately
> a fleshed out version of one of the pieces from _Metropole Berlin_. Sorry
> again for the confusion.
>
> goozer
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring
> at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has
> blurred.'
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>
> Considering that ticket-buying attendees and critics with press
> passes would both think a Schulze concert bites, I think he's made a
> wise choice not to waste his and our time.
I have to disagree on that one. The KS Live albums I have
(DZIEKUJE POLAND and ROYAL FESTIVAL HALL) are musically
interesting and have a very distinctive atmosphere to them
(my opinion, I realise). What can be quite objectively
said, though, is that the music is NOT repetitive. The
opposite is the case: There is little or no repetition of
melodies or sequences, and although there are _some_ parts
using the same orchestration as others (such as the
'Pastorale' parts on RFH), Klaus proves to be adept at
creating a 20-to-40-minute piece that does not need
phrases, stanzas, or similar repetitive patterns. I think
that RFH in particular is an impressive movement which goes
back to where it originally began, without becoming
repetitive.
Dennis
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On Thu, 27 Nov 1997 11:33:07 -0500 (EST) tadream mailing
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>
> If Klaus wants to strive to be the last true exemplar of the 'old Berlin
> school', that's just fine; there'll always be an audience for that kind of
> thing, and if it's the only way he finds artistic fulfillment, that's OK too.
> But this doesn't give him the right to come off sounding like his way is
> a better way, the right way, the only way.
I wonder if someone more familiar with the characteristics
of 'the Berlin School' can confirm this, but as far as I
remember, the structural paradigm of that movement was the
elaboration on a loosely defined motif, rhythm, or even
just a mood (as demonstrated by TD on 'Rubycon', 'Zeit',
etc.). This implies two things:
(1) Klaus is right. Four-minute tracks are inconsistent
with the 'Berlin School' structure, as they don't allow for
a great deal of elaboration.
(2) Klaus has moved away from the old 'Berlin School'
himself. His compositions might be long, but they are not -
at least not always - elaborations on a single idea. The
most recent KS track I know which corresponds to the Berlin
style, then, would be 'Brave Old Sequence' on Beyond
Recall. I must admit, though, that I have been unable to
keep up with his output, so there might well be more recent
examples.
Dennis
P.S.: With regard to my previous post on KS, please note
that 'elaboration' is not necessarily consistent with
repetition.
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Subject: Jerome and TD
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> Really-From: Georg Veltmann
> Hey, what about TD last 7 years? For me it's all the same, too.
> Didn't bought any of them. Since Jerome joined the band the quality
> and variety of TD's music diminished.
disclaimer:
I love all of TD's music
reply:
well, in one sense, one could say that TD's music really started going
downhill in 1988 with Optical Race -- well before jerome joined the band--
and thus his arrival has nothing to do with the perceived lack of quality
that continues (debatedly) until the mid 1990s. In fact, this trend takes
place a year earlier with the insipid ATFH (1987); further, Mothers of Rain
from OR was played live during some 86 dates I believe so this trend goes
back even before that... OK I know all you Franke fans are going to jump
in here and say 'yeah, TD went downhill when CF left!' perhaps that's true,
but CF hasn't done much beside Klemania to prove it...
I've been wanting to play 'advocatus diaboli' so here goes:
what if the problem with TD is Edgar? (yeah, I know, 'burn heretic burn')
and nowadays, what if it is Edgar who is holding Jerome back? A lot of
people just make this assumption that TD's music went downhill when Jerome
joined but, as i have suggested above, this really happens well before
Jerome's entrance. Further, it seems fairly clear that over the past few
years, (at least since 1994) that Jerome has taken more and more control
over TD and lately, as Dennis pointed out, is largely responsible--perhaps
even solely responsible--from some the new and better material. Jerome is
clearly reaching into TDs past and reinterpreting it in his own way as he
comes to grips with a legacy that is inseparable from his life. these new
interpretations are to me very enjoyable (OK, not as much as 75-86 TD...
but it is still very good stuff).
Anyway, I think we are beginning to catch of a glimpse of the direction
that Jerome wants to go but at that same time we have Edgar *talking* about
how he doesn't want to relive the past but just to move on while in
actuality, he is spending a substantial amount of his time living in the
past and dredging up and reworking all this old TD material for re-release
(Tangents, DRC, BTS, The Keep, the upcoming mega set, etc etc).
Perhaps it is Edgar who is holding Jerome back, not Jerome who 'ruining'
TD's music?
comments? flames?
lars
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Subject: Looking for Mark Filipak
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Hello all. I am looking for a way to reach Mark Filipak now that he has
somewhat regained his life after things this summer. I have something
special to send him for the Holidays but have misplaced his mailing address.
If anyone out there would like to contact me off list & get it to me, I will
let them know what it is I am sending him (just in case Mark is listening).
It is a TD item and I have yet to find anyone else that even knows about
this item so I think Mark will get a kick out of it. Send any info to:
Hammer1612@a... and I greatly appreciate your help! After I am sure Mark
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it was (just in case I've got your curiousity up).
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I tried to visit a few records shops a my recent weekend getaway.
In case anyone is interested, some things I saw but didn't buy were:
A CD of Three O'Clock High S/T at the Tower Records in Ann Arbor Michigan.
2 Copies of the Australian Goblin's Club at the HMV in Toronto. (they also
had most of the SBM and TDI reissues.)
A full page add for TOURNADO in the December issue of Tower PULSE
magazine.
A new Mike Oldfield compilation which includes an excerpt from the
upcoming TUBULAR BELLS III!
MJ
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> > Really-From: Georg Veltmann
>
Hey, can you get me a discount on an M-Class? After seeing 'The
Lost World,' I just have to have one.
> > Hey, what about TD last 7 years? For me it's all the same, too.
> > Didn't bought any of them. Since Jerome joined the band the quality
>
> > and variety of TD's music diminished.
I agree with Dennis. Once they got away from the 'Let's sound
like Joe Satriani' idea, they got good again. And I think Tournado
rocks.
Scott
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On Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:09:41 -0500 tadream mailing list
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>
> I've been wanting to play 'advocatus diaboli' so here goes:
> what if the problem with TD is Edgar? (yeah, I know, 'burn heretic burn')
> and nowadays, what if it is Edgar who is holding Jerome back? A lot of
> people just make this assumption that TD's music went downhill when Jerome
> joined but, as i have suggested above, this really happens well before
> Jerome's entrance. Further, it seems fairly clear that over the past few
> years, (at least since 1994) that Jerome has taken more and more control
> over TD and lately, as Dennis pointed out, is largely responsible--perhaps
> even solely responsible--from some the new and better material. Jerome is
> clearly reaching into TDs past and reinterpreting it in his own way as he
> comes to grips with a legacy that is inseparable from his life. these new
> interpretations are to me very enjoyable (OK, not as much as 75-86 TD...
> but it is still very good stuff).
No flames, as this is actually a point I've been
considering myself for a while now. I was going to comment
in a separate thread, but I might as well tie it in here
and now. It is possible that the disruption in TD style
happened after 1987, rather than when Jerome joined (in
fact, Lily on the Beach (pre-Jerome) and Melrose
(post-Jerome) are very very similar musically.
Consider Livemiles. It is certainly a controversial album,
but in my view it shows the band's unmatched proficiency in
electronic music at that time. They had survived the
departure of Johannes without much harm, as Chris and Edgar
were holding the edifice firmly together. There were no
steps backwards with the arrival of Paul. And by Livemiles,
they were able to not only have unique mastery of the sound
side (technological and instrumental aspects), they could
also compose in a way that made any other group look like a
mediocre student combo. On Livemiles, they blend catchy
pop-style melodies (quite a few, all over the place) with
atmospheric patches (e.g. the very skilfully and
effectively re-mixed Dolphin Dance or the conclusion of
part 1) and neo-classic parts (such as the introduction to
part 1) smoothly and without the slightest effort. The
album does show an absence of the hungry-lions effect
Franke retrospectively mentioned (cf. Digital Gothic), but
my impression is that that is precisely because they had
mastered the field to the extent that they could just
bridge and mix and merge and rock and chill in an
effortless, playful 'so what?' style. Some passages have
been criticised as being devoid of atmosphere - the
atmosphere of the whole album is TD's sheer majesty over
all the rest of electronic music, IMO. At that stage,
they had achieved everything that was in it, so where could
they go from there? That seems to be where Edgar and Chris
had divergent opinions. And the change in style between
Livemiles and Optical Race (the Edgar & Paul fraction) or
Pacific Coast Highway (the Chris fraction) is very
noticable. In my view, this is the one point in TD history
(with the possible exception of Cyclone) where style got so
suddenly disrupted that people are bound to like one style
(either the one before or after the disruption) and dislike
the other. As Lars points out correctly, this was way
before Jerome arrived. Maybe it makes sense, then, to
regard him not as the 'demise', but as the 'saviour' of
TD...
Dennis
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>what if the problem with TD is Edgar? (yeah, I know, 'burn
heretic burn')
Argh! Kill the monster!!! Actually, you may be right! I just
wonder if Ed's getting burned out. TD is unique in that they are the
only band I can think of that has consistently released new material
over their 30-year career. Maybe he needs to take a hiatus from music
for a while.
Scott
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Hello
I just have my trade list for TD-related items ready. Anybody interested
please feel free to contact me off list for a copy.
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> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
>
> >what if the problem with TD is Edgar? (yeah, I know, 'burn
> heretic burn')
>
> Argh! Kill the monster!!! Actually, you may be right! I just
> wonder if Ed's getting burned out. TD is unique in that they are the
> only band I can think of that has consistently released new material
> over their 30-year career. Maybe he needs to take a hiatus from music
> for a while.
A good long while, I hope! I don't know if he's getting burned out--a
lot of indications on the past few albums--particularly _Goblins Club_--are
telling me he already is!
Here's to hoping that Jerome, as boss of TD, knows when it's the right
time to take a break.
> Scott
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> Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
>
>
> > Really-From: Gabe Yedid
> >
> >
> > If Klaus wants to strive to be the last true exemplar of the 'old Berlin
> > school', that's just fine; there'll always be an audience for that kind of
> > thing, and if it's the only way he finds artistic fulfillment, that's OK
too.
> > But this doesn't give him the right to come off sounding like his way is
> > a better way, the right way, the only way.
>
> I wonder if someone more familiar with the characteristics
> of 'the Berlin School' can confirm this, but as far as I
> remember, the structural paradigm of that movement was the
> elaboration on a loosely defined motif, rhythm, or even
> just a mood (as demonstrated by TD on 'Rubycon', 'Zeit',
> etc.). This implies two things:
'Rubycon pt. II' contains at least 3 distinct musical ideas that
are elaborated on for...not more than about 6 minutes each...I think the
elaboration on a single idea or mood applies more to the live music than
to the studio music. And doing even that, in the studio, can be done
effectively in even less than 10 minutes, e.g. 'Mysterious Semblance'
and 'Movements of a Visionary' from _Phaedra_.
> (1) Klaus is right. Four-minute tracks are inconsistent
> with the 'Berlin School' structure, as they don't allow for
> a great deal of elaboration.
Nonsense. Does this mean a track of this length by Conrad Schnitzler,
from 1978, is any less 'Berlin school' than one of Klaus' lengthy opii?
And when has Johannes Schmoelling ever done anything approaching 20
minutes in length? Is he 'un-Berlin' too, even though his music has
about 0 commercial appeal? And, as I mentioned before, does this make
shorter pieces from Edgar's own earlier solo albums 'un-Berlin'?
It's the difference, I suppose, between elaborating a mood or idea, and
being able to capture its essence succintly.
(and to be picky, more recently, TD's tracks have been
averaging out at *6* minutes :P; on _TimeSquare_, I don't there's 1 track less
than 6
minutes...no, in fact, there isn't! Average seems to be a full *7*
minutes, so there! ;) ;))
If I'm misunderstanding what you're getting at, and what you mean is, in
fact, sticking to that old paradigm, then I would have to say that Klaus
is, well, being a little inflexible and unreasonable. Both he and Edgar
talk the talk about style changes, but it seems to me that Edgar (and by
extension, TD) walk the walk much more than Klaus. Fundamentally, the
way Klaus composes has not changed in quite some time, whereas with TD
one can trace a progression from fairly open-ended old-Berlin style to
more tightly structured, meticulously constructed *compositions*. Since
1995, they have begun to loosen the structural constraints a bit, with
the result that their current music has regained a lot of that 'organic'
feel the earlier albums had so much of.
And I don't see why Klaus has a problem with Edgar not adhering to the
old-style structure...it's like that guy (forget his name) who said that
you should always follow the religion of your ancestors, out of duty (or
something like that). Seems to me Klaus has let his 'god' status go to
his head a bit. I'm pretty sure that if you asked Edgar, he would say
that he was NOT intending to found a 'school' when he got TD going, and
so he can't be betraying his ideals since what Klaus means are, in fact,
NOT his ideals (which may themselves be mutable).
> (2) Klaus has moved away from the old 'Berlin School'
> himself. His compositions might be long, but they are not -
> at least not always - elaborations on a single idea. The
Tell that to Ash Prema ;)
> most recent KS track I know which corresponds to the Berlin
> style, then, would be 'Brave Old Sequence' on Beyond
> Recall. I must admit, though, that I have been unable to
> keep up with his output, so there might well be more recent
> examples.
> Dennis
>
> P.S.: With regard to my previous post on KS, please note
> that 'elaboration' is not necessarily consistent with
> repetition.
True enough, but still, listening to a Schulze piece, you get the idea
that it is not 'going places' the same way a comparable TD piece usually
does.
Gabe
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Just got back from Kiev, Ukraine and Amsterdam... Great trip! I didn't find
any unusual TD related stuff, but I really enjoyed this fascinating part of
the world. The people were very nice.
I also managed to hook up with list member Marcel Engels in Amsterdam.
Great person to get to know! I got a copy of his new limited CD-R release
'Free System Project - Substance'. I haven't had a chance to play it, but
if it's like his first release, then I'm sure it will be great. We also
managed to party it up on the town in Amsterdam. I think I have finally
recovered after the trip. How about you Marcel? :-) And why do you close
your records shops so early in Amsterdam?
Also, I see that there has been a lot of excitement lately about KS and TD.
And rightly so! I love both TD and Klaus Schulze music and that will never
change. I think all of our opinions (and list members) can co-exists on
this list in a civilized manner. Some good friends of mine on this list
hate KS, but that doesn't affect our relationship as friends and as people
with common interests.
All for now,
Vic
Also, if anyone is waiting on my replies, please give me a few days to get
back into the groove.
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I have to say I've always been envious of anyone who gets to join an
established band just because they are related to a band member. I
remember when Jerome was just a face (couldnt tell if it was a chikc or
a dude.....still can't yeehahhaa) that popped up on Froese solo
recordings. Now he's gonna take over the band while the Viking of old
has a flaming funeral aboard a drakkar. Oh well. Everything changes,
including the tangs. While I still can't get past his Roseanne hair
(Jerome...are you listening? CUT THAT RUG OFF! CHICKS DON'T DIG IT!), I
think he's come a distance from when he first appeared on the scene.
Perhaps if he'd do a solo album we could best hear what he REALLY can do
and what music he really wants to play. With so many pre-programmed
tunes & nonsense it's hard to discern who the musicians are and who the
clunkers are. I have no problem with TD moving ahead...just throw us
more vintage TD fans a bone once in a while and compose a masterpiece
such as Silver Scale or Force Majeure.
Dano
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On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
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>
>
> (Jerome...are you listening? CUT THAT RUG OFF! CHICKS DON'T DIG IT!), I
Uh, he DOES have a steady girlfriend...never seen HER hairstyle though.
> think he's come a distance from when he first appeared on the scene.
> Perhaps if he'd do a solo album we could best hear what he REALLY can do
> and what music he really wants to play.
I think (and those who've heard it would probably agree) that that is
just what _TimeSquare_ really is.
Gabe
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Subject: Re: Phaedream????
Hi everyone
Is Phaedream a live recording bootleg?
on the cd, it said that it's from Albert Hall 1975
the tracks are from Phaedra and Rybycon
It's a live recording from the Royal Albert Hall '75.
There isn't any material on it from Phaedra or Rubycon
although the music is great. Quality is OK. A bit noisy.
There is also a track on it from Neuronium from the album
In Vuelo Quimico (correct me if wrong) and it's from '77/'78.
This (and the first one) album from Neur. is still not released
on CD and I can't understand why because it's got great music.
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels/fsp.htm
Email :fsp@wxs.nl
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At 06:02 PM 12/2/97 +0100, you wrote:
>> Jonathanīs daily mail [...] CHOMP
>
>Would anyone please buy Jonathanīs stuff, finally ?
Nah, Jens---I'm waiting to buy the $800.00 set when it's for sale--I
already have a second mortgage so I can have as much KS as I want and still
have enough left for an original KEEP LP.
Mike
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>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>Just got back from Kiev, Ukraine and Amsterdam... Great trip! I didn't
find
>any unusual TD related stuff, but I really enjoyed this fascinating part of
>the world. The people were very nice.
>
>I also managed to hook up with list member Marcel Engels in Amsterdam.
>Great person to get to know! I got a copy of his new limited CD-R release
>'Free System Project - Substance'. I haven't had a chance to play it, but
>if it's like his first release, then I'm sure it will be great. We also
>managed to party it up on the town in Amsterdam. I think I have finally
>recovered after the trip. How about you Marcel? :-) And why do you close
>your records shops so early in Amsterdam?
Ha, you're back!
I went to work today but I was still a bit sleepy.
It was great to meet you.
All shops close here at 6 o'clock, although would you have come 1 day
later they would have been open all evening, because of a holiday-fest.
btw: are the photos ready? If i'm in Amsterdam again I will take the
picture to her. (list-members probably don't have a clue what I'm talking
about) :-)
Hope to meet you (and others) again!
Marcel
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On Dec 3, 9:52pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Re: Kiev Mission Pt. 3
> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
>
(...)
> btw: are the photos ready? If i'm in Amsterdam again I will take the
> picture to her. (list-members probably don't have a clue what I'm talking
> about) :-)
Amsterdam, 'her', window-shopping (!)... I think we got a clue, but perhaps
a wrong one ;-)
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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>Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > > > > > #009;>what if the problem with TD is Edgar? (yeah, I know, 'burn> > heretic burn') > > > > #009;Argh! Kill the monster!!! Actually, you may be right! I just> > wonder if Ed's getting burned out. TD is unique in that they are the> > only band I can think of that has consistently released new material> > over their 30-year career. Maybe he needs to take a hiatus from music> > for a while.> > A good long while, I hope! I don't know if he's getting burned out--a > lot of indications on the past few albums--particularly _Goblins Club_--are > telling me he already is!> > Here's to hoping that Jerome, as boss of TD, knows when it's the right > time to take a break.> > > #009;Scott> GabeI've always liked Jerome's imput into the albums and my favorite sons are those that he was more a part of. Some of my favorite songs such as 'Change of the Gods' and 'Virtuality Fields' are his own compositions. And if any of you haven't, be sure to check out Jerome's own homepage! He has quite a good sense of humor 'I must now clear space from the server by removing the following items: Nude pictures of Linda Spa, MIDI TD files, and unreleased music samples.' Could Edgar and Wife produce more than the sum of their parts? A musicial genious...=o)Greg H.
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>[. . .] I have to say that when we respond to instead of
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>such as 'those dumb spammers!'. Really guys, we know spam sucks but like
>junk mail, it's a fact of life. [. . .]
Seeing as SPAMming is no longer considered grounds for arrogant
hackers (is that redundant?) to take ridiculously overdone retaliatory
action, would anyone out there be kind enough to tell me how to spam?
I ask this because I would like to place a one-time spam that would be
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In a message dated 97-12-03 10:38:52 EST, you write:
<< Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
>
> >what if the problem with TD is Edgar? (yeah, I know, 'burn
> heretic burn')
>
> Argh! Kill the monster!!! Actually, you may be right! I just
> wonder if Ed's getting burned out. TD is unique in that they are the
> only band I can think of that has consistently released new material
> over their 30-year career. Maybe he needs to take a hiatus from music
> for a while.
A good long while, I hope! I don't know if he's getting burned out--a
lot of indications on the past few albums--particularly _Goblins Club_--are
telling me he already is!
Here's to hoping that Jerome, as boss of TD, knows when it's the right
time to take a break.
> Scott
>>
I HATE THIS CRAP!!!!!!!
WHY DO YOU BELONG TO THE TD MAIL LIST?????
TD ISN'T PERFECT, I AGREE, BUT KEEP THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS TO YOURSELF. THIS
LIST IS FOR F-A-N-S -- I THOUGHT.
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In a message dated 97-12-03 11:43:06 EST, you write:
<< >
> I've been wanting to play 'advocatus diaboli' so here goes:
> what if the problem with TD is Edgar? (yeah, I know, 'burn heretic burn')
> and nowadays, what if it is Edgar who is holding Jerome back? A lot of
> people just make this assumption that TD's music went downhill when Jerome
> joined but, as i have suggested above, this really happens well before
> Jerome's entrance. Further, it seems fairly clear that over the past few
> years, (at least since 1994) that Jerome has taken more and more control
> over TD and lately, as Dennis pointed out, is largely responsible--perhaps
> even solely responsible--from some the new and better material. Jerome is
> clearly reaching into TDs past and reinterpreting it in his own way as he
> comes to grips with a legacy that is inseparable from his life. these new
> interpretations are to me very enjoyable (OK, not as much as 75-86 TD...
> but it is still very good stuff).
No flames, as this is actually a point I've been
considering myself for a while now. I was going to comment
in a separate thread, but I might as well tie it in here
and now. It is possible that the disruption in TD style
happened after 1987, rather than when Jerome joined (in
fact, Lily on the Beach (pre-Jerome) and Melrose
(post-Jerome) are very very similar musically.
Consider Livemiles. It is certainly a controversial album,
but in my view it shows the band's unmatched proficiency in
electronic music at that time. They had survived the
departure of Johannes without much harm, as Chris and Edgar
were holding the edifice firmly together. There were no
steps backwards with the arrival of Paul. And by Livemiles,
they were able to not only have unique mastery of the sound
side (technological and instrumental aspects), they could
also compose in a way that made any other group look like a
mediocre student combo. On Livemiles, they blend catchy
pop-style melodies (quite a few, all over the place) with
atmospheric patches (e.g. the very skilfully and
effectively re-mixed Dolphin Dance or the conclusion of
part 1) and neo-classic parts (such as the introduction to
part 1) smoothly and without the slightest effort. The
album does show an absence of the hungry-lions effect
Franke retrospectively mentioned (cf. Digital Gothic), but
my impression is that that is precisely because they had
mastered the field to the extent that they could just
bridge and mix and merge and rock and chill in an
effortless, playful 'so what?' style. Some passages have
been criticised as being devoid of atmosphere - the
atmosphere of the whole album is TD's sheer majesty over
all the rest of electronic music, IMO. At that stage,
they had achieved everything that was in it, so where could
they go from there? That seems to be where Edgar and Chris
had divergent opinions. And the change in style between
Livemiles and Optical Race (the Edgar & Paul fraction) or
Pacific Coast Highway (the Chris fraction) is very
noticable. In my view, this is the one point in TD history
(with the possible exception of Cyclone) where style got so
suddenly disrupted that people are bound to like one style
(either the one before or after the disruption) and dislike
the other. As Lars points out correctly, this was way
before Jerome arrived. Maybe it makes sense, then, to
regard him not as the 'demise', but as the 'saviour' of
TD...
Dennis >>
This is one of the most intellegent discussions on the TD mail-list I have
ever read. All points are explained very well, although I might not agree
with them every on of them. I too like what Jerome is doing with the TD
sound, and I can't wait to hear Dream Mixes 2.
tom
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Really-From: Michael Fox
>At 06:02 PM 12/2/97 +0100, you wrote:
>>> Jonathanīs daily mail [...] CHOMP
>>
>>Would anyone please buy Jonathanīs stuff, finally ?
>Nah, Jens---I'm waiting to buy the $800.00 set when it's for sale--I
>already have a second mortgage so I can have as much KS as I want and
still
>have enough left for an original KEEP LP.
>Mike
Hold, everything, Jonathan! As soon as I rip off Dano's DX7 II-FD w/E and
Riley's Kawai and sell them at the swap meet, I'm going to pull off a night
raid on Super Collector and take $1000's of laser discs and cd OST's--then
sell all that off, too-- and finally, after I make one last donation over
at the sperm bank, I'll be able to buy everything!!!! I can't wait to hear
that Ashra box set, in particular!!
EMan
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>Really-From: Tom807
>In a message dated 97-12-03 10:38:52 EST, you write:
<<< Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >what if the problem with TD is Edgar? (yeah, I know, 'burn
>>> heretic burn')
>>>
>>> Argh! Kill the monster!!! Actually, you may be right! I just
>>> wonder if Ed's getting burned out. TD is unique in that they are the
>>> only band I can think of that has consistently released new material
>>> over their 30-year career. Maybe he needs to take a hiatus from music
>>> for a while.
<I HATE THIS CRAP!!!!!!!
>WHY DO YOU BELONG TO THE TD MAIL LIST?????
>TD ISN'T PERFECT, I AGREE, BUT KEEP THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS TO >YOURSELF.
THIS
>LIST IS FOR F-A-N-S -- I THOUGHT.
Uh-oh, you guys better take it easy on Jerome & Ed...some fans are taking
this kinda personally (heh heh). You never know about those
F_anatical
A_nal-retentive
N_ihilistic
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In a message dated 97-12-03 15:49:45 EST, you write:
<< Hey, what about TD last 7 years? For me it's all the same, too.
Didn't bought any of them. Since Jerome joined the band the quality
and variety of TD's music diminished. >>
Then unsubscribe from this list, please.
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Greetings all
>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>> Really-From: DJS
>> (Jerome...are you listening? CUT THAT RUG OFF! CHICKS DON'T DIG IT!), I
>
>Uh, he DOES have a steady girlfriend...never seen HER hairstyle though.
It's short and stylish, just like her!
>> think he's come a distance from when he first appeared on the scene.
>> Perhaps if he'd do a solo album we could best hear what he REALLY can do
>> and what music he really wants to play.
>
>I think (and those who've heard it would probably agree) that that is
>just what _TimeSquare_ really is.
I was about to say this exact same thing. If you really want to hear where
TD is going (hopefully!), _TimeSquare_ (and specifically 'TimeSquare')
clearly show the way! This disc, and especially that song, manage to evoke
both the past *and* the future of the band in a way that really makes me
feel good about Jerome assuming the mantle.
goozer
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>
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>Subject: Uh, Oh...
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:32:02 -0800
>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
>>I HATE THIS CRAP!!!!!!! WHY DO YOU BELONG TO THE TD MAIL LIST?????
>>TD ISN'T PERFECT, I AGREE, BUT KEEP THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS TO YOURSELF.
>>THIS LIST IS FOR F-A-N-S -- I THOUGHT.
>
>Uh-oh, you guys better take it easy on Jerome & Ed...some fans are
>taking this kinda personally (heh heh). You never know about those
>
>F_anatical
>A_nal-retentive
>N_ihilistic
>S_entries
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaa-hahahaha!!!!!!!!! Good one! This really needed to
be said after hearing an overly sober explanation of why LIVEMILES is not
toilet paper but a demonstration of technical and compositional greatness.
Thanks for making my day! Fanatical Anal-retentive Nihilistic Sentries!
Hee hee hee! ;) :) :) :)
Molasar's Hash-Mark Undies
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>Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault'
>> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>(...)
>> btw: are the photos ready? If i'm in Amsterdam again I will take the
>> picture to her. (list-members probably don't have a clue what I'm talking
>> about) :-)
>
>Amsterdam, 'her', window-shopping (!)... I think we got a clue, but perhaps
>a wrong one ;-)
Well, you almost got it. Very close. Look at not only singular but multiple
possibilites ;-)
Vic
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Regarding the Neuronium comment below...'Vuelo Quimico' has been released
on CD-R. It's sold through Huygen's Oniria label. My only disappointment
is that there's no artwork with it. Normally I wouldn't care, but I've
always found Neuronium's artwork to be intriguing. I was looking forward
to seeing it (I never did see the original album cover). Apparently
Huygen doesn't own the rights to the artwork. Supposedly, their first
album 'Quasar 2C361' will be available on CD-R by Christmas this year.
Oh, another drawback - it's VERY expensive (for me anyway) - about US
$40.
Larry
>Hi everyone
> Is Phaedream a live recording bootleg?
> on the cd, it said that it's from Albert Hall 1975
> the tracks are from Phaedra and Rybycon
> =20
> It's a live recording from the Royal Albert Hall '75.
> There isn't any material on it from Phaedra or Rubycon
> although the music is great. Quality is OK. A bit noisy.
> There is also a track on it from Neuronium from the album
> In Vuelo Quimico (correct me if wrong) and it's from '77/'78.
> This (and the first one) album from Neur. is still not released
> on CD and I can't understand why because it's got great music.
> =20
> Marcel
> Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels/fsp.htm
> Email :fsp@w...
>
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> Really-From: Tom807
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> In a message dated 97-12-03 15:49:45 EST, you write:
>
> << Hey, what about TD last 7 years? For me it's all the same, too.
> Didn't bought any of them. Since Jerome joined the band the quality
> and variety of TD's music diminished. >>
>
> Then unsubscribe from this list, please.
Dude, if you don't like other people's opinions or can't hang with
thoughts & opinions that are different than yours...YOU unsubscribe! I
think we're tired of your complaining about who should and shouldn't be
on this list. Now please, shut up!
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Hi guys and galls,
I've been away on business for three weeks and return to find a new list
administrator with some pretty sever ideas on who should and should not be on
this list :
>Really-From: Tom807
>
>
>In a message dated 97-12-03 15:49:45 EST, you write:
>
><< Hey, what about TD last 7 years? For me it's all the same, too.
> Didn't bought any of them. Since Jerome joined the band the quality
> and variety of TD's music diminished. >>
>
>Then unsubscribe from this list, please.
Maybe everyone who doesn't like everything that TD and related artists has ever
produced _should_ unsubscribe this list and set up our own list? Mind you, I
think it would leave Tom807 a little lonely!
BTW, Tom807, if I recall correctly we had some discussion of the term 'FAN'
some time ago on this list (perhaps before you were on it?) and many were not
happy to be labelled as such just because of its 'fanatical' origins. Also, if
I recall correctly, this list is for the _discussion_ of TD and related
artists, and not the fawning over of every piece of music ever produced by Ed
and the guys over the last 30 years.
And these comments from a guy (me) who does love just about everything TD has
done over the past 30 years (yeah, I'm one of the Rockoon bashers - TD's lowest
point, as far as I'm concerned).
BTW, over the past three weeks I have come into possession of 5 new E-music
CDs, and not one of them is directly TD related. Two have tenuous links to TD,
being Cluster's Live in Japan 1996 and Popol Vuh's Shepherd Symphony. No prizes
for naming those links!
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Due to the fact that I've been banned from using e-mail at work for
tadream purposes :-( I've had to unsubscribe. My new email address is
lawrysimm@a... so anyone engaged in mailing me privately at the moment,
please use the new address.
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Lawry
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Subject: RE: Jerome and TD
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>I HATE THIS CRAP!!!!!!!
So do I!!!!
>WHY DO YOU BELONG TO THE TD MAIL LIST?????
Uh, 'cause I like TD?
>TD ISN'T PERFECT, I AGREE, BUT KEEP THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS TO
YOURSELF. THIS
>LIST IS FOR F-A-N-S -- I THOUGHT.
It _is_ for fans, but I'm a _fan_ not a _worshipper._ I love my
sons, but that doesn't keep me from yelling at them every once in a
while and criticizing them when appropriate (well, one's only 3 months
old, so he doesn't get criticized much :-). If I _didn't_ love them
(my sons AND TD) I wouldn't offer any criticism. If you don't like the
criticism, counter it!
Didn't we have this conversation before?
Scott
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OK, I have a better one. Which is more boring: ZEIT, Klaus Schulze or
reading the seemingly endless comments attacking/defending said artist(s).
Points taken already!!!
Mike Surber
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Hello all,
>Argh! Kill the monster!!! Actually, you may be right! I just
> wonder if Ed's getting burned out. TD is unique in that they are the
> only band I can think of that has consistently released new material
> over their 30-year career. Maybe he needs to take a hiatus from music
> for a while.
and:
>Here's to hoping that Jerome, as boss of TD, knows when it's the right
>time to take a break.
NO! IMO this is when TD went seriously wrong. All their best stuff was
produced under pressure of time, and it's no coincidence that their
worst period, the early 90s, was the period in which they changed
their modus operandi and started doing long, Floydian stints in the
studio to come up with new albums. Rockoon took a whopping *ten months*
to make, which raises the question: how could it take so long to make
something so bad? Turn of the Tides took nine months, and Edgar himself
subsequently admitted that this was an excessive amount of time (and that
the record isn't very good!).
To me this is part of the 'more is less' phemonemon that rears its head
in various ways where some kind of creative endeavour is concerned. It's
a dead cert that the number of good jokes in a comedy show is in inverse
proportion to the number of writers, for instance. And take a look at some
early Elvis Presley records: you get songs that consist of the standard
twelve-bar blues chord sequence (which is so generic that if someone
uses it they can hardly even claim to have 'composed' it; it's essentially
'public domain' music) plus three verses of banal, throwaway lyrics. And yet
these things have five and six writers credited in the byline!!! What did
they
do, write one word each? Jesus, how many of 'em would it have taken to
write the Ring Cycle? 50? 100?, 1000???
So good on TD for moving away from the more-is-better philosophy. When you
have too much time and too much leeway, everything becomes flabby
and self-indulgent. That's why the Schmoelling years produced the band's
best
music. They were doing so much that it was a case of 'Hmm! We've got five
weeks
before the next soundtrack. Let's get the next album done quick!' And the
results
were gems like White Eagle and Hyperborea. Okay, this approach sometimes
resulted in a record being padded out with fairly uninspired filler
material (like the second side of Underwater Sunlight, with the possible
exception of Dolphin Dance), but the results were on the
whole good. And guess what? 1997 seems to have been TD's busiest year
for a while, and the more-or-less universal opinion seems to be that
it's been their *best* year for a while. TimeSquare was recorded June-
July, which, by my reckoning means that the maximum it could have taken
was 8 weeks. Yay! No more nine-months-in-the-studio nonsense!
Agree? Disagree? All this is IMHO, of course :-)
Glynn
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> Agree? Disagree? All this is IMHO, of course :-)
While I certainly disagree with your comments on _Rockoon_ and
_Turn of the Tides_, you've raised an interesting point. I composed some
of
my best term papers on the night before they were due.
_Digital Gothic_ often refers to the idea that Edgar Froese, while
maybe not a workaholic, is inspired with a 'Puritan work ethic' (something
that apparently rubbed off on Chris Franke despite his reasons for leaving
the band). Whereas prog bands like Yes and Genesis have these long
hiatuses (hiati?) b/w albums and tours, TD has been working CONSTANTLY.
Froese has stated several times that he DOES take leisure time (how else
does he get to visit the American Southwest), but at the same time you
hear him commenting how great portable computer technology is because
it allows him to compose while travelling.
Okay, I'm starting to stray from the topic a little... The questions
to be asked are:
* Is _White Eagle_ (or othe Schmoelling-era album) better than _Turn of
the Tides_ (or other early 90's album)? This really isn't a good question,
as tastes are not consistant among listeners. Maybe a better question
would be which is the more popular?
* How much real time was spent in the production of the album (this
includes
both composition and recording)? Some albums may have been recorded
in a week, but the ideas behind the songs may have been around for a
couple of years. Other times a song may have been written in a day, but
it took three months to get it to sound right in the recording studio.
Perhaps a line chart could be composed with the X-value being
the time spent on an album and Y being the Armin value...
I personally don't believe that an album can be 'over-produced' as
far as its musical content in concern (I find both that term and
'self-indulgent'
as two of the most ridiculous phrases used in musical criticism). It's
true
that a good idea can be lost in the process, but if it's not present in the
final product, the loss is not a known factor to the listening audience
(unless
something like _Logostypes_ pops up...).
- jim
'Now they show you how detergents take out bloodstains, a pretty violent
image there. I think if you've got a T-shirt with a bloodstain all over
it, maybe laundry isn't your biggest problem.'
--Jerry Seinfeld
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In a message dated 97-12-04 02:55:57 EST, you write:
<< Dude, if you don't like other people's opinions or can't hang with
thoughts & opinions that are different than yours...YOU unsubscribe! I
think we're tired of your complaining about who should and shouldn't be
on this list. Now please, shut up!
Dano >>
I subscribed to this list to join in on a forum with other TD fans -- I
thought. What I got (at least lately) is long discussions about KS (who plays
DRUMS on TD's first album, so what!), and COMPLAINTS about TD. I hear enough
s*#@ from the mainstream press negative-wise about TD, I didn't expect it
from this list's subscribers.
tom
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At 06:06 PM 12/3/97 EST, Steven Feldman wrote:
I would like to place a one-time spam that would be
>a want ad for the original KEEP from 1984.
Um..pardon..but if you delete mail as you say you do, why do you think
someone else would read your spam? I'm not trying to toss flames here, but
I am curious.
Mike
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For those that haven't heard:
Windham Hill guitarist dies in car accident
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Michael Hedges, an acoustic guitarist and composer
known for his unique two-handed style of play, was killed in an
automobile crash, the California Highway Patrol said today.
Hedges, 43, died on State Route 128 in rural Mendocino County, about 100
miles northwest of San Francisco, CHP officer Bob Burke said. A work crew
discovered the guitarist's body in his wrecked 1986 BMW on Tuesday morning.
Authorities speculate that Hedges' car skidded off a curve and down a
steep embankment a few days earlier.
A native of Enid, Okla., Hedges was living and recording in Mendocino
County and had a post office box in Mendocino.
Hedges recorded several albums, including last year's ``Oracle,'' and was
scheduled to perform in the Guitar Summit Tour beginning in January.
He helped establish the Windham Hill record label in the early 1980s with
his albums ``Breakfast in the Field'' (1983) and ``Aerial Boundaries''
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At 02:55 PM 12/4/97 +0000, you wrote:
And take a look at some
>early Elvis Presley records: you get songs that consist of the standard
>twelve-bar blues chord sequence (which is so generic that if someone
>uses it they can hardly even claim to have 'composed' it; it's essentially
>'public domain' music) plus three verses of banal, throwaway lyrics.
Aha! This explains why Presley was so unpopular and his career never went
anywhere. Sorry, but as a lover of blues music I take exception to your
view here, Glynn. Those 'generic twelve-bar' songs are a big piece of the
foundation of modern music--I wanted to say 'pop'--and I'd bet a jelly
doughnut that Edgar has played more than a few of those 'generic' tunes in
his time--hell, we ALL have!
Cheers,
Mike
np: J. Hendrix--Red House (banal 12-bar supported by mediocre guitar filler):-)
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> _Digital Gothic_ often refers to the idea that Edgar
Froese, while
>maybe not a workaholic, is inspired with a 'Puritan work ethic'
(something
>that apparently rubbed off on Chris Franke despite his reasons
for leaving
>the band). Whereas prog bands like Yes and Genesis have these
long
>hiatuses (hiati?) b/w albums and tours, TD has been working
CONSTANTLY.
Great thread this. I did a little counting on how many albums,
compilations and soundtracks they released during their three primary
decades. Here's what I cam up with:
Al. Comp. ST
Total
1970 - 79: 11 0 1
12
1980 - 89: 15 5 15
35
1990 - 97: 8 13 8
29
Note that the '90s aren't finished. I included The Keep with the
'80s. If they keep up the same rate of work in '98 and '99, they should
have 7 - 8 more releases by the end of '99, bringin the decade's total
to 36 - 37, which is _more_ prolific than the '80s. Of course, they've
done more compilations in the '90s than in the preceding 20 years of
their existance. (I'm not counting '67 - '69 since they had no releases
in that time). If you just count albums and soundtracks, you get totals
of 12, 30, and 16 respectively.
Where am I going with this? I don't know. Someone help me out
here...
Scott
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>SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Michael Hedges, an acoustic guitarist and
composer
>known for his unique two-handed style of play, was killed in an
>automobile crash, the California Highway Patrol said today.
:-(
Scott
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
By 'taking a break' I didn't mean spending ungodly numbers of hours on
production and whatnot, I meant a *break*--a hiatus, a temporary
cessation from composing music.
Edgar has been going non-stop for the past 30 years, and I can't honestly
believe that a toll wasn't taken somewhere along the way. When I said
that Jerome should know when to take a break, I meant that he will
hopefully be aware of when he needs it so he doesn't reach any serious
state of creative burnout.
Gabe
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Subject: for sale :Fassbinder Memorial
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Hello,
only for sale the Fassbinder Memorial Concert bootleg, 10inch, clear vinyl,
If do you have interest, send a offer to me.
bye
wolfgang
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>Subject: Re: How is SPAMming done?
>Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 13:28:08
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Michael Fox
>
>At 06:06 PM 12/3/97 EST, Steven Feldman wrote:
> I would like to place a one-time spam that would be
>>a want ad for the original KEEP from 1984.
>
>Um..pardon..but if you delete mail as you say you do, why do you think
>someone else would read your spam? I'm not trying to toss flames here,
>but I am curious.
Well, if I gave the message a header like . . .
Subject: WANTED: Will Pay $100 for THE KEEP Soundtrack
I think that anyone who has the record will take one look at the
header and think to himself, '$100? Why? I have this record. It's
okay. What's the big deal? Why would someone want to pay $100 for it?'
and hence, read the message. As for everybody else, who cares? If they
don't have the record, there's no reason for them to read the message.
Believe it or, I read SPAMs--at least part of them, anyways--if
their headers are intriguing.
-- Steven Feldman
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> SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Michael Hedges, an acoustic guitarist and composer
> known for his unique two-handed style of play, was killed in an
> automobile crash, the California Highway Patrol said today.
>
I remember picking up 'Aerial Boundaries' in San Francisco many years ago
and was utterly amazed at how clean his playing was. There was one track
in particular, the title of which I can't remember right now (of course),
where he laid down a melody over these chords played 'in
reverse,' but in such a way that the trick didn't overshadow the rest of
his playing, and I was truly amazed at what he could do with one acoustic
guitar. He had skill and soul. What an unfortunate loss.
-- Mark
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Subject: miramar
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hello,
will somebody post the miramar address site to me or to this list as i
probably have an old url of them.
thanks
andre.
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Subject: TD needs a hiatus (!)/ (?)
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Really-From: Phil PDX
In a message dated 97-12-04 14:58:18 EST, you write:
<< For those that haven't heard:
Windham Hill guitarist dies in car accident
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Michael Hedges, an acoustic guitarist and composer
known for his unique two-handed style of play, was killed in an
automobile crash, the California Highway Patrol said today. >>
That's awful. No, I hadn't heard. Though this certainly isn't TD-related,
thanks for letting us know. He was a great guitarist. I'm shocked. I
haven't seen anything on the news about it. Very sad.
Phil Derby
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Subject: Highway to Hell- MUST READ!
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Really-From: TangerineC
I just finished watching a B-horror movie called Highway to Hell starring Chad
Lowe and Kristy Swanson. I dont know if this was dicussed, but, TD actually
did the additional music for the movie. I was watching it and noticing how the
music really sounded like TD. I knew it had to be them. Low and behold it
was!!! The end credits them with addtional music. This movie is a Hemdale
movie and was made around the time Miracle Mile was made, which is also a
Hemdale movie. I tell 'ya, I just watched this movie not expecting to hear TD.
It was a pleasent suprise although they only did part of the soundtrack.
Tom
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Really-From: Georg Veltmann
Throwing my 0.02$ in the arena:
I found Dennis analysis very interesting. You know, I'm a little
disappointed about TD's last 7 years. I'm disappoint about Franke,
too. He promised something he could't hold, IMHO.
But what are the reasons for this? Dennis analysis that all started
before Jerome joined the band and Franke left, is right.
My hypothesis is, that the advent of modern sequencer programs like
TwentyFour or Cubase (remember the mentioning of Steinberg and
Atari in 1987 TD booklets) is responsible for the change (I try to
be nice (-; ) of TD's music. Before that, they had to turn knobs,
tune the moog, program each synthesizer on it's own. Now they can
program everything from their laptops and even don't have to move on
stage (BTW Paul Haslinger didn't move more than his fingertips on
his KLEM concert)
I hope (and supported it by buying Oasis) that TD get again that
feeling present in the recordings of the eighties culmulating (IMO)
at the Reichstag concert in 1987. For me, the nineties will be their
lost period, to be discovered sometime.
Cheers
Georg
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where is the information we lost in data?
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Depends on your mailer, but how I would do it is from somewhere get a
list of e-mail addresses. Like this:
101776.2070@c...
106546.1474@c...
a.fell@p...
acm@l...
alpha@s...
ardo.van.rangelrooij@t...
arpalists+music.tadream@a...
aszas@i...
baasen@t...
battema@i...
bbertsch@x...
I'd copy and paste into a word processor, MS-Word in my case, where I'd
replace all the carriage returns with a semicolon and a space, then copy
& past THAT into the 'To:' field in my e-mail program, Ms Outlook 97.
It'd take some legwork to get lists of addresses. Some e-mail programs
also allow you to mail to newsgroups.
Scott
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>Aha! This explains why Presley was so unpopular and his career never went
>anywhere. Sorry, but as a lover of blues music I take exception to your
>view here, Glynn. Those 'generic twelve-bar' songs are a big piece of the
>foundation of modern music--I wanted to say 'pop'--and I'd bet a jelly
>doughnut that Edgar has played more than a few of those 'generic' tunes in
>his time--hell, we ALL have!
Hey, I'm not knocking it. I'm very fond of these records myself. I just
don't
understand why some of them have so many writers. Edgar has said many times
that
the blues is his prime influence. You're right about the blues structure
being the fundamental structure in music, but blues guys didn't invent
this. ALL tonal music is fundamentally based around these three chords.
Bach,
Mozart, Beethoven, anyone you care to mention. The laws of physics dictate
it!
But we're getting waaayyy off topic, so I'll shut up now...
Glynn
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>
> NO! IMO this is when TD went seriously wrong. All their best stuff was
> produced under pressure of time, and it's no coincidence that their
> worst period, the early 90s, was the period in which they changed
> their modus operandi and started doing long, Floydian stints in the
> studio to come up with new albums. Rockoon took a whopping *ten months*
> to make, which raises the question: how could it take so long to make
> something so bad? Turn of the Tides took nine months, and Edgar himself
> subsequently admitted that this was an excessive amount of time (and that
> the record isn't very good!).
>
> So good on TD for moving away from the more-is-better philosophy. When you
> have too much time and too much leeway, everything becomes flabby
> and self-indulgent. That's why the Schmoelling years produced the band's
> best
> music. They were doing so much that it was a case of 'Hmm! We've got five
> weeks
> before the next soundtrack. Let's get the next album done quick!' And the
> results
> were gems like White Eagle and Hyperborea. Okay, this approach sometimes
> resulted in a record being padded out with fairly uninspired filler
> material (like the second side of Underwater Sunlight, with the possible
> exception of Dolphin Dance), but the results were on the
> whole good. And guess what? 1997 seems to have been TD's busiest year
> for a while, and the more-or-less universal opinion seems to be that
> it's been their *best* year for a while. TimeSquare was recorded June-
> July, which, by my reckoning means that the maximum it could have taken
> was 8 weeks. Yay! No more nine-months-in-the-studio nonsense!
>
> Agree? Disagree? All this is IMHO, of course :-)
>
> Glynn
That is a very good observation. The early-nineties music
sounds at times as if they decided to put down just
anything and not work on it a lot - but you are right, it
might also be so over-produced that it all ends up sounding
very uniform and boring. Another idea that came to my mind
when you were talking about the band having more time
because they were doing less was that, possibly, they had
more time for doing other things and weren't focussing on
the music as much as they used to do (as a matter of
necessity, with stringent deadlines set by record
companies, directors, etc.). Maybe the early 90s, with the
line-up and structural changes in and around the group just
took too much attention away from the composition process;
they just weren't as much 'into it'...
????????
Dennis
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In a message dated 97-12-05 05:46:55 EST, you write:
<< Really-From: Gabe Yedid
By 'taking a break' I didn't mean spending ungodly numbers of hours on
production and whatnot, I meant a *break*--a hiatus, a temporary
cessation from composing music.
Edgar has been going non-stop for the past 30 years, and I can't honestly
believe that a toll wasn't taken somewhere along the way. When I said
that Jerome should know when to take a break, I meant that he will
hopefully be aware of when he needs it so he doesn't reach any serious
state of creative burnout.
Gabe
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>>
I guess Beethoven should have taken a break, also.
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Subject: Re: Klaus vs. TD
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On Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:00:08 -0500 (EST) tadream mailing
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>
>
> Nonsense. Does this mean a track of this length by Conrad Schnitzler,
> from 1978, is any less 'Berlin school' than one of Klaus' lengthy opii?
> And when has Johannes Schmoelling ever done anything approaching 20
> minutes in length? Is he 'un-Berlin' too, even though his music has
> about 0 commercial appeal? And, as I mentioned before, does this make
> shorter pieces from Edgar's own earlier solo albums 'un-Berlin'?
Johannes _is_ un-Berlin in the sense that, although he is
from Berlin, he is not one of the composers of e-music who
founded, or adhere to, the 'Old School'. I haven't heard
any of Schnitzler's output, so I can't comment on that.
> It's the difference, I suppose, between elaborating a mood or idea, and
> being able to capture its essence succintly.
I'm not saying that one is better than the other (although
I have personal preferences). My point is simply that _if_
the Berlin school implies elaboration on one musical idea,
this paradigm is inconsistent with a short track. You
_can't_ get everything - or nearly everything - out of a
single idea in 4 minutes. You can, however, tie an aspect
of that idea succinctly into a song, as you say. But that
is not the point we're discussing.
> one can trace a progression from fairly open-ended old-Berlin style to
> more tightly structured, meticulously constructed *compositions*. Since
> 1995, they have begun to loosen the structural constraints a bit, with
> the result that their current music has regained a lot of that 'organic'
> feel the earlier albums had so much of.
Exactly. Don't you think you're contradicting your last
statement a bit there? If the Berlin style is open-ended,
elaborative, loosely structured, and the more recent of the
pre-1995 compositions are tightly structured, succinct, and
meticulously constructed, that's precisely the point I was
making.
Dennis
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Sorry, I meant that to go to Steven privately, not to the list.
Scott
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>Really-From: Georg Veltmann
>
>My hypothesis is, that the advent of modern sequencer programs like
>TwentyFour or Cubase (remember the mentioning of Steinberg and
>Atari in 1987 TD booklets) is responsible for the change (I try to
>be nice (-; ) of TD's music. Before that, they had to turn knobs,
>tune the moog, program each synthesizer on it's own. Now they can
>program everything from their laptops and even don't have to move on
>stage (BTW Paul Haslinger didn't move more than his fingertips on
>his KLEM concert)
I both agree and disagree with you?!?
It is possible to make a Rubycon-style (or anything else) with the help
of the Atari (or other computer) and Cubase. I think that not only the
instruments changed but also their thoughts about music. You can
hear it already on Hyperborea and Le Parc and later.
And nowadays, finally, there are 'virtual' analog synths. When you change
a knob it is send to the computer. When you play it back it sounds the same
when you first turned the knob.
I think the digital synths with all their easy presets are more to blame
then
the computer-sequencer. (although you can achieve great things with dig.
synths)
All this IMO, of course.
Marcel
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Subject: Re: Michael Hedges
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A sad loss of a very talented musician. I remember buying the
Arial Boundaries LP second hand for #2 because I liked the cover
photo. I had never heard of him before but after hearing the
album ordered the CD the next day. Unfotunately I shall now
never get to see him in concert. Ragamuffin is sheer perfection.
Regs, Nigels.
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Subject: VA - Enlightened Secrets + Keep the Jungle Alive
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I just obtained a few Various Artists (VA) Sampler that I'd like to mention:
VA - Enlightened Secrets - Italy Gruppo Futura NA18, 1997
It also comes with a magazine.
Track 5 is TD - 'Cool at Heart', 6'09', 1990
Other artists include 'Michael Hedges' (may he rest in peace), 'Patrick
O'Hearn', 'Steve Roach & Michael Shreeve', 'Alan Parsons', etc...
Another one I came across, but has been out (or out of print that is) for
some time is:
VA - Keep the Jungle Alive - Holland BMG Special Products SP 6255, 1991
Track 4 is TD - 'Peacock Island'
All for now,
Vic
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At 04:10 PM 12/4/97 EST, you wrote:
> Believe it or, I read SPAMs--at least part of them, anyways--if
>their headers are intriguing.
>
> -- Steven Feldman
>
Steven--
I wish you luck with this if for no other eason than it will ease your
pursuit of this and we will all be able to hear an account of the
adventure! Best of Luck!
Mike
--if I EVER come across the lp--you get the first call.
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Steven Feldman wrote:
> Well, if I gave the message a header like . . .
> Subject: WANTED: Will Pay $100 for THE KEEP Soundtrack
>
> I think that anyone who has the record will take one look at the
>header and think to himself, '$100? Why? I have this record. It's
>okay. What's the big deal? Why would someone want to pay $100 for it?'
>and hence, read the message. As for everybody else, who cares? If they
>don't have the record, there's no reason for them to read the message.
If you send that message to newsgroups where TD is usually discussed,
such as rec.music.newage and rec.music.ambient, or to a soundtrack
newsgroup (rec.music.movies for example), you may succeed. If you send
the message to a lot of e-mail addresses instead, I think that the
result will be your mailbox overcrowded with flames, mail-bombs, and
other nasties.
Antonio
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Subject: Ambient Monkeys & Time Square for Americans
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
Just in case you are interested and can't wait for some official
American release...
Four days ago I ordered both 'Ambient Monkeys' and 'Time Square -
Dream Mixes II' from RPM Records. Today they arrived, together
with a freebie ('Chateau Relaxeau' by Lost Luggage) in absolute
pristine condition and for the price advertised (about 20 bucks per).
I, for one, am impressed.
Give them a try, if you are interested, at:
http://rmprecords.com
Regards to all,
Andrew
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Subject: Rumpelstiltskin
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Just in case anyone is interested... the English translation of
'Rumpelstiltskin' (the Grimm bro' tale) is at:
http://128.172.170.24/Grimm/rumpeng.html
The original (German) version is at:
http://128.172.170.24/Grimm/rumpel.html
Cheers,
Andrew
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Subject: Re: Mr. Froese's Opinions of Bootlegs
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I have reprinted the following message with the permission of the author.
I thought the tadream list might be interested in this regarding Mr. Froese's
opinions of bootlegs. Hope you don't mind me bringing up a subject that passed
by a good month ago. Dell
From Adastra:
I suppose I've been 'spoiled' a bit, having this friend who is like you,
a 'true' fan, and he brings me copies of most, no, ALL, of their
recorded works. He also does drawings and paintings of T.D. and they are
often printed in a small magazine which is available in England - but I
don't have details of that at hand. I, in return, print out photographs
and writings of the latest stuff on the band from their T.D. site on the
net. I mentioned to you before that he has several copies of 'boot-leg'
albums, and when I told him that you said Edgar didn't like the idea of
'boot-leg' stuff, he told me that he has some which are actually signed
by Edgar himself!! - and that he had read the opposite in fact, that
Edgar didn't mind boot-leg material at all!?! However, perhaps he
didn't used to mind and he now does, or vice-versa. I can imagine both
things to be true of Edgar, each having their own values. I can see him
not minding, because of the idea of greater circulation and also the
chance for people who have little cash to be able to get hold of the
stuff, and also because of the rebellious idea of going against the
massive industry level that the music business has become. And I can
also imagine he would be against the boot-leg idea because of the lack
of control over the quality of production -- I don't think he would like
his music to be shabbily engineered and produced- he seems to be very
conscious of how his, and other bands, create their music, and isn't
slow to say so when he thinks other bands are not using their hi-tech
synthesizers and sequencers properly -- you know?- just using them as a
shortcut to making 'backing tracks' etc. T.D. have utilized and embraced
the new technology with open arms for many years now, but they are so
adept at it that they are almost 'Classical' in their musical writings!
creating pieces which could be considered orchestral, akin to 'Classical
Music'.
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>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>Four days ago I ordered both 'Ambient Monkeys' and 'Time Square -
>Dream Mixes II' from RPM Records. Today they arrived, together
>with a freebie ('Chateau Relaxeau' by Lost Luggage) in absolute
>pristine condition and for the price advertised (about 20 bucks per).
>
> http://rmprecords.com
I agree! Why pay the extra postage from Europe (or exchange rate)?
This could be a great source for TD fans-watch it and keep us posted :-)
Vic
P.S. I have purchased from them before - no complaints.
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>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
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>
>Whoa!!! For the man who has everything, hahaha! I don't know of another
>completist as completist as yo'self, except maybe K.B!!!! I feel sorry for
>your girlfriend, man...I bet the poor girl has NO idea what to get you for
>your birthday/Xmas!!!!!
Actually I'm still a 'neophyte' (remember the last lesson my grasshopper).
Some of the most die-hard collectors are NOT on this list. Really!
Nobody has everything, if so, then they would be truly unhappy ;-)
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OK, since NOBODY wants to speak up about these guys, then I'll put in my two
sentences. This will not be a fair evaluation, but just a quick comment on
my part:
Paul Haslinger - I think his contributions to Lightwave and his project of
Coma Virus deserves attention. His 'Haslinger' release is quite good, but
the rest of his efforts are in a differnet area as far as my tastes are
concerned ;-). Get the Octahedron CD sampler if you ever come across it.
Michael Honeig - A name in the TD scene, but also called a NONAME in the TD
scene. But he has released a few recordings. His best and CLASSIC release
is: 'Departure fron the Northern Wasteland'. If you like early TD and the
Baumann influence, then you must get this (it is still in print as I know).
The others are rare to find except maybe the reissue of 'Early Water:' with
Manuel Gottsching. This release is total Berlin School of EM music and
utterly beautiful!
Follow your dreams,
Vic
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Subject: More TD info !
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Really-From: 'Ramachandran R.V.'
Hi TD friends,
Here are some updates on TD boots and music. The following CD-R's are
available for the very first time on the recordable CD format.
1. Overseas Dreams - contains the musical and sound effects only from
various TD film scores. Great care has been taken in preparation of this
disc, sourced from a digital format. Quality is around 8, so it ranges
from ok to good. TD fans will not be disappointed ! Tracks are taken from
the unreleased music of Flashpoint, Street Hawk, Risky Business, Rainbow
Drive, The Keep. Total running time is 51 minutes. As a bonus, there are
some additional tracks by John Carpenter from his 1980 movie ' The Fog '.
In total the running time equals 63 minutes.
Review - I was pleasantly surprised to hear this disc. It contains some
amazing music from Flashpoint ( not on the CD ), Street Hawk, Risky
Business ( including most variations of Love on a Real Train, Tangram and
the most important bit......The return of the Goodsons......never before
released music of TD !!!.....fans will die hearing this.......Can anyone
relate this music to any live show played by TD ? esp the period from 1980
/ 83.
2. Electric Dreams - contains excerpts from the 25/10/92 concert at
Seattle, WA along with tracks like Pheadra, Love on a real train and
Logos. As a bonus there are some tracks taken the 220 volt CD including
the title track, sundance kid, blue bridge, Dreamtime etc. Total running
time is 71 minutes.
Review - This CD is brilliant. A winner all the way. Quality is 10. I
suspect that the compilation of this CD has been done by clubing 220 volt
and the Three Phase Laser Disc. Musically it sounds great too !
3. Expected to be released very soon, TD - The Audio Dream Mixes which is
said to be a compilation with different versions of the Dream Mixes CD.
Questions - I recently got the 5 CD set called Tangents. The 5th CD is all
unreleased material. Can anyone tell me when this CD was recorded, the
date and year please ??? ( only the 5th CD ).
The exact date and month of the release of TANGRAM. The exact entry date
of Schmoelling into the band and his exit.
I will provide any further information if requested. Regards, Dream on,
Senders Name -Raj
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>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>NO mention of XCEPT ONE, Vic? His best disc!! 'Bones On The Beach' or
>'Scatter Part III' or the ultra-cool gloom-n-doom track 'Forgotten
>Thoughts' are each worth the price of admission. The others will be
>appreciated, nay, adored. by lovers of Schmoelling-era sequential opii. Too
>bad this guy is about as prolific as my 20-year old bonehead sister.
Yes, this is a great release. Very difficult to find though. Went quickly
out-of-print when the Cinema label (division of Capitol) went under. I once
e-mailed Capitol about this and no one there even knew about this label.
Also, let's not forget about the impossible to find 'The Blob' soundtrack
(remember Dan?) - a collage of short sound bites. It's OK I'd say. If you
ever find it, get it - it's RARE.
Anyway, if anyone must listen to this music, contact me privately.
Vic
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Does anybody have this soundtrack? It is credited to Hoenig, but does not
contain any of his music (just like TD's Vision Quest).
OK Dano, you've got a mission (a challenge for SuperCollector?) to find me
this soundtrack. Santa will be generous if you do ;-)
Also, can anyone get me a UK issue of the 'Catch Me if You Can' CD? I can
trade or pay cash for it.
Thanks,
Vic
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So far, I have only seen news of Michael Hedges' death on emails. Has anyone
actually seen a newspaper or TV news story? If so, what source? Thanks.
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> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
> >NO mention of XCEPT ONE, Vic? His best disc!! 'Bones On The Beach' or
> >'Scatter Part III' or the ultra-cool gloom-n-doom track 'Forgotten
> >Thoughts' are each worth the price of admission. The others will be
> >appreciated, nay, adored. by lovers of Schmoelling-era sequential opii. Too
> >bad this guy is about as prolific as my 20-year old bonehead sister.
>
I agree completely...even the part about your sister hehehe.
> Yes, this is a great release. Very difficult to find though. Went quickly
> out-of-print when the Cinema label (division of Capitol) went under. I once
> e-mailed Capitol about this and no one there even knew about this label.
Amin Bhatia came into Super Collector once to talk about possible promo
releases Super Tracks would do for him and I had him sign my
Interstellar Suite disc. While he was there I asked him what happened to
the the Cinema label. He said Capital pulled the plug and didn't even
tell the artists!! How sucky is that!? Too bad for Tony Kaye
yeehahahaha, who sucks ass anyway....he never got to release his disc.
Anyway, Amin laughed at the Cinema disc I had him sign saying he hadn't
seen that disc for a LONG time. I'm sure Patrick Moraz couldn't say the
same...as HIS discs are lining used CD bins around the globe.
>
> Also, let's not forget about the impossible to find 'The Blob' soundtrack
> (remember Dan?) - a collage of short sound bites.
Yeah yeah. Funny how I'd never heard of it but THAT week I mentioned it
and Ford brought one in.
It's OK I'd say.
it's sucks dogass I'd say hehh heh...but I'd get it to trade.
If you
> ever find it, get it - it's RARE.
Quite true!
Dano
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> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> Does anybody have this soundtrack? It is credited to Hoenig, but does not
> contain any of his music (just like TD's Vision Quest).
>
> OK Dano, you've got a mission (a challenge for SuperCollector?) to find me
> this soundtrack. Santa will be generous if you do ;-)
>
> Also, can anyone get me a UK issue of the 'Catch Me if You Can' CD? I can
> trade or pay cash for it.
>
> Thanks,
> Vic
Watch the mail dude.
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> Really-From: Phil PDX
>
>
> So far, I have only seen news of Michael Hedges' death on emails. Has anyone
> actually seen a newspaper or TV news story? If so, what source? Thanks.
>
> Phil Derby
It finally appeared in the showbiz section of the Montreal Gazette today.
Gabe
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Thanks Dell for that account. It raises an issue that I have been
discussing with other listees off the list --but have not completely
formulated--in preparation for a more defined statement. but since you
brought it up, I might as well make it now, sometimes you just have to say
'what the fuck':
It seems to me that Edgar has an ambivalent (love-hate) attitude about
boots & bootlegging. Part of the 'hate' aspect is legal necessity:
apparently if he is aware of a copyright violation, he must report it to
the copyright holder (eg Virgin, etc.) otherwise he himself becomes liable
as well. So Edgar must at least give the public appearance of being
against bootlegs. I suppose this may contribute in part to why they don't
allow fan-taping at concerts. Nevertheless, I don't think this is his real
attitude.
I think Edgar actually regards and uses the bootleggers as a tool for the
distribution of his music outside establishment channels and, possibly, as
a way of rewarding his most die-hard fans: the collectors (who are the
people who really put the bread on his table by buying every release in
multiple copies). Part of this may be a reaction against the music
business; part of it may be a reaction against the corporate lawyers and
the copyright restrictions and 'rights' issues that he has mentioned (most
recently in explaining why Tournado did not contain the vintage set)
[footnote 1]
Edgar has said (in reference to the orb remix of TtES) that his reason for
being in the business is for the music itself. In another interview, Edgar
has actually said that he has clause in his contracts that states, in
essence, that he is not being paid for the music, since the music cannot be
paid for.
It seems to me that Edgar has used, on a number of occasions, bootleggers
to distribute material otherwise undistributeable. He has done this in at
least two ways, the first is by broadcast. Until the advent of CDR
bootlegging, many boots had come from radio broadcasts (some perhaps from
the transcription media) since these offered a fairly excellent source
(relative to an audience tape). I think Edgar has known that concert
broadcasts would lead to bootlegging; and if he didn't know it before, he
has certainly learned it by experience. So if he really doesn't want
bootlegs made, then why offer radio broadcasts at all. Perhaps the most
interesting example is from the Poland concert of 1997 of which the vintage
set was broadcast. It seems to me there may have been a conscious choice
to release tournado on the TDI label (keeping the revenue for themselves)
but allow the other main portion of the concert (and the one most sought
after) to be broadcast and thus put into the public domain. (As a side
note, it is too bad the broadcast really chopped it up but I suspect that
may have been beyond EF's control.) The point is that between the
broadcast and tournado, edgar has allowed almost the whole concert to be
accessible. There are a few other examples, starting with the 1977 US
tour, where at least two broadcasts contained substantially novel but quite
refined material that did not appear on Encore or subsequent releases
(washington and montreal); the 1978 tour (whose material we know Edgar
doesn't care for) apparently had no broadcasts (except for a very short and
abbreviated rebroadcast of 20 mins from the berlin show. There is also the
broadcast of the 1980 'pergamon' shows, etc. where Edgar was prevent by
contract from releasing the music for 7 years. Then there are the numerous
interviews in which unique material was broadcast (eg: the long version of
the unicorn theme for legend, etc)
When edgar was confronted with problems releasing the keep material, he
broadcast four cuts clearly to put them in the fans' domain; there is
certainly a question of the same nature regarding to logotypes. I have
heard two stories but have not been able to pin it down; it may not matter
however as I will discuss. In one version, the studio tape (containing
material from the keep) was given to a prominent collector and fan; in
another version, the prominent collector and fan, finding themselves alone
in the studio, found the tape and copied it. Of course this story, if true
raises several questions: was it coincidence or was it orchestrated?. Most
importantly, can you imagine Edgar leaving a fan alone in the studio with a
studio tape lying around, equipment to copy it and, most importantly, the
time needed to copy it? I like this story and, if true, the issues it
raises are whether this fan actually 'took' the music on his/her own
initiative and without edgar's consent; or whether Edgar just set up the
whole situation ('OK we're going to lunch now, why don't you wait here?
whatever you do, don't touch any of the studio tapes with material of the
keep, and don't play with the recording equipment, nudge-nudge, wink-wink)
In other words, was the fan here just a pawn in Edgar's attempts to subvert
the legal impasse he was experiencing? If anyone can shed any light on
this issue (either on tadream or privately) it would be appreciated.
The second example, and just as ambivalent, is the case with 1987 berlin
show and Antarktis / 20th-century serenades. Edgar was prohibited, first,
in his contract with the city from releasing the material from the concert
(thus having to re-record portions to release on 'live miles' [eg 'studio
miles']) and second--as inthe 1997 tour vintage set--hampered by a wide
array of copyright holders (soundtrack material, ATFH, Virgin, Jive, etc).
The show was broadcast (at least 3 times I believe) and therefore put into
the fans domain but, more importantly, there seems to have been a high
quality source. Again, there are two versions of the story of how this
material got out and if anyone can clarify it, it would be appreciated: in
the first version, Edgar gave the tapes personally to someone he knew to be
a TD bootlegger, thus ensuring they would be distributed as boots; in the
second version, the bootlegger got access to the transcription media. It
would be important to know if edgar either gave the tapes or transcription
media to the bootlegger; but even if he didn't he must have known something
would materialize from the broadcasts.
There are at least one or two more examples that I could cite where edgar
has given studio tapes to someone he knows will distribute the material
either via fan tapes or via boots. I won't out fear of being redundant
because I think the point should be clear by now: Edgar has used and at
least tolerated bootleggers because they have served his interests in
disseminating his music thereby potentially attracting more fans and,
possibly, rewarding his hardest core fans who pay his bills. This of
course serves edgar's interests in the way others have mentioned that the
encouragment of fan-taping by bands like Phish and the Dead have help
disseminate their music and spurred interest in these bands.
Now, to the point touted occassionally by a few members of this list that
bootlegging is 'evil' and that bootleggers are scum of the earth making
money from edgar's efforts. This attitude just doesn't square with
reality. First of all, TD does not have the fan base of groups like U2,
Oasis, etc. so the making of a bootleg is not something that is likely to
have a big financial affect. I challenge you to name **one** release that
has acutally cut in to TD's profits. We're talking, in most cases, about
bootlegs with a circulation of 1,000 or less (in some cases, less than 100
copies; remember edgar pressed 1,000 copies of quinoa as a limited edition)
; yes, a few have boots (fassbinder, staatsgrenze west, etc) have been
released in 3,000-4,000 copies but those are quite rare and, in the case of
the pergamon material, it may well have served to subvert a legal contract.
Beyond, this, when you see boot prices of $25 etc. for a single CD boot,
some listees clearly must think that all of that money is going into the
bootlegger's pocket. Think about the economics, however, small run
pressings of vinyl and cds are not cheap (and this may explain the reasons
why many vinyl boots use substandard vinyl anyway: they have to cut costs
to make if feasible). Add up the costs (I did this when we were talking
about trying to get a special legal td cd pressing made for this list) and
you will find that out of the $25, the distributors are probably getting
about $12.50 (of which they have expenses too) the bootlegger probably gets
$12.50 of which his/her actual expenses are probably about $10-$12 (not
counting his/her time involved). So in the end, we not talking about
someone making enough money to much of anything with. Why do they do it?
largely I suspect, because they are, like us, die hard fans of TD and feel
they are doing other fans a service by distributing the music and
experience of this band that we all love so much. I suspect Edgar is aware
of this as well. I think if Edgar knew bootleggers were competing with him
at a scale of releases numbering 10,000-plus, it would be a different
story. On the whole, many boots have numbered only in a few hundred
copies.
anyway, as you can see, this hasn't been fully articulated dicussion of
this would be welcomed publically or privately
lars
[footnote 1:] I suspect that when Edgar says it is too difficult to get
the permissions to release this other material, it may mean that either he
is just to lazy to go through the motions or that his distaste for dealing
with the business-end of things (lawyers, etc.) makes him cut off his nose
to spite his face. Unless he has some direct falling out with a label and
they actively deny him the rights to re-publish, it would seem that he just
doesn't want to deal with the hassles. Certainly the vintage set contained
much material from the Virgin (also a few soundtrack pieces) and Edgar does
have a working relationship with them of some sort (ie: tangents & das
maedchen promo cd single are on virgin, virgin may be releasing a version
of the keep as well, etc).
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>Subject: RE: Haslinger/Hoenig
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>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:03:41 -0800
>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
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>NO mention of XCEPT ONE, Vic? His best disc!! [. . .]
?!?! This is pure pabulum, in my opionion. I needle-dropped this
New Age stinker when it came out and didn't buy it as a result. I agree
that Mark Dwane is lame, but this is no better.
>Ashra's _Correlations_ [. . .]
Funny that folk here should like this disc, considering that it's
about the closest the Berlin scene has to an out-and-out disco album.
I like it, but then, I like disco, and have a good Moroder collection.
-- Steven Feldman
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>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>>>
> Well, considering he has only two records, saying 'his best' is a
>little goofy. It's okay imitation-TD, but is strangely soulless and
>shallow--sorta like K. Schulze. ;)
Don't forget that ABBA put out a 'Best of...' after their first two LPs ;-)
I would never believe that Mr. Feldman would comment about Hoenig. Anyway,
first let's get the facts straight. His releases:
1. Early Water w/M. Gottsching
2. Departure from the Northern Wasteland
3. Xcept One
4. The Blob
5. And numerous soundtrack collaborations....
He also has a 7' EP out.
Second, I would consider Schulze's music very DEEP not shallow. You need to
relax, take 10 deep breathes, and start your journey. Oh, I almost forgot,
it was an American that made that post :-)
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This week we would like to hear comments on:
Steve Jolliffe - any solo related releases
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Really-From: Hammer1612
I live in Oklahoma City and since Michael was originally from Enid, OK he
performed here regularly. I heard the info about his death reported on the
local evening news here last week and was stunned to hear about it. I was
fortunate to see his most unorthodox style of play more than once and was
continually amazed at the innovation Michael introduced into his music.
After performing for many years as merely an instrumental artist, Michael
gained the confidence to add his vocals to his music. I initially thought I
liked his instrumentals better but as I became accustomed to his new style, I
realized it merely added another chapter and another dimension to his music.
It was another way he could share what the music meant to him as he in turn
shared it with us.
Now, compare this with TD and their output over the years. I started
listening when Stratosfear was a new release and followed them diligently over
the years. I dare say that some new fan just discovering the 'contemporary'
TD (ie: Turn of the Tides) and then checking out something old like
Stratosfear would be hard pressed to even think it was the same band. That
does not invalidate the fact that an artist or group of artists have created a
work that was at some point pleasing to them. It only means that their output
has changed through the years. Admittedly, there are some commercial concerns
at work when music is created for soundtracks, etc but most artists, when they
create their greatest works, create to please themselves. It is then up to us
to interpret for ourselves what the music meant for the artist(s) and in turn
what the music means to us.
The reason I feel I enjoy so much the earlier works (70s-80s) is because of
what that music meant to me then (and probably what the music then meant to TD
too). I still love all of those LPs dearly. When works are more rushed
(thanks Dennis for your analysis, BTW) I, as a fan, can tell that that work
may not mean as much to the artist and in turn, may not mean as much to me.
Some of the comments made about the current tours and the fact that the
artists are not as 'into' their music as we want them to be may reflect our
attitudes towards the end product produced.
In the end, the music really belongs to the artists. They only share it with
us and it is up to us to decide where it fits into our lives and our hearts.
It is different for all of us. Fortunately for us, TD is so prolific that
there is plenty of music to choose from, unlike Michael Hedges (and Michael
Hutchence, et al) that leave us with precious little talent tapped before they
go.
Mike Surber
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I can't figure this man out. He seems to be a minor contributor
to TD, yet... Also his comings and goings are unclear to me. He
is not there for Encore(1977), there for Cyclone(1978), gone by
Force Majeure (1979). But I know he was with TD earlier on.
According to Scott, when he left (1978), 'No tears are shed.'
('Mysterious Semblance,' Lakewood, OH: 1997, p. 26).
As far as TD is concerned, he is notorious (sic!) for his vocals.
Both he and Baumann need to quit trying to be rock-stars, IMHO. Yuck.
But he is probably one of the (if not THE) most accomplished
musicians from the TD bunch. Flute, keyboard, clarinet, horns,
synthesizers, he does them all well. Brilliantly, sometimes.
His chronological evolution parallels, up to a certain point,
TD's. He has not gone 'Hollywood' like other people we know.
Early stuff is very experimental, unstructured, and can be
annoying if I am not ready for it. 'Beyond the Dream' is on my
'trade' shelf: he, again, insists on singing. Sheeesh.... 'The
Art of Minimalism' is a lesson in electronic (and acoustic)
instrument experimentation. Oddly, I really like it. Some lovely
keyboard work in there. Lovely! 'Escape,' 'Warrior,' and 'Alien'
are much to MY liking. I listen to them often. 'Zanzi' (last
year's production) is also VERY good. Good thematic development,
excellent rhythms, none of the 'atmospheric' nonsense that
plagues other geniuses. :-)
The reviewer for SMD really tears him apart for his latest
('Temmenu' - 1997). Too bad, I was going to get it.
Jolliffe could be one my all time favorites.
A discography follows. Quite probably, it is not complete. I have
and have listened to the albums marked with an asterisk [*]. Also
had quite a few of the others, but must have not liked them,
because they are gone. :-(
------------------------------------------
The Bruton Suite - 1979
Drakes Venture - 1980
Earth - 1981
*Journeys Out of the Body - 1982
Japanese Butterfly - 1983
*Beyond the Dream - 1984
Voices - 1985
New Age Emotions - 1986
The Minotaur - 1987
The Japanese Way - 1988
Doorways to the Soul - 1988
*The Art of Minimalism - 1989
Ethereal - 1990
*Escape - 1991
*Warrior - 1992
*Alien - Alien - 1994
*Zanzi - 1995
Temmenu - 1997
Also contributed to:
*Various Artists: 'Horror and Suspense' - (?): Steve Jolliffe,
Simon Benson, and Mark Thomas
(snippets - sometimes hilariously lugubrious - I love it; some
as long as 6:53, some as short as 14 sec))
Richard Wahnfried: 'Miditation' - 1986
Performed by: Klaus Schulze & Steve Jolliffe (flute) - Steve
in on one track. I don't like the album.
Mark Jenkins: 'Mexico Rising' - 1994
Mark Jenkins with Alquimia, Steve Jolliffe, and Richard
Pinhas. Don't know this one.
------------------------------
Cheers to all,
Andrew
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At 11:39 AM 12/6/97 EST, you wrote:
>So far, I have only seen news of Michael Hedges' death on emails. Has anyone
>actually seen a newspaper or TV news story? If so, what source? Thanks.
Go to http://www.nomadland.com
Mike
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At 10:57 AM 12/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Does anybody have this soundtrack? It is credited to Hoenig, but does not
>contain any of his music (just like TD's Vision Quest).
Vic,
When I had the record store a lot of kids wanted the ST for 'The Wraith'.
It was OOP, but I found a few copies on cs. Not sure if I still have one,
but I'll look. Let you know.
Mike
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Subject: Lux Aeternae For Sale (OFF TOPIC)
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Really-From: 'Brian M. Frick'
Greetings, Dreamers!
I have three copies of Elemental's 'Lux Aeternae' for sale, and am wondering
if anyone here might be interested in a copy? They are $12.50 total, incl.
shipping.
The music is very much like that of early Tangerine Dream, with flowing
synthesizer melodies, heavy sequencing, and just about as hard-core analogue
as you can get!
I highly recommend the album.
Please let me know if you have any questions, and reply privately, for sake of
being flamed :-)
Later!
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I've got JOURNEYS OUT OF THE BODY on LP and quite like it. It's a
lot bit quirky, but cohesive, and has a nice ambience about it--although
it is not ambient. I also have his ESCAPE CD, and that is not as good,
but I have only played it three or four times and haven't really formed
a strong opinion about it yet. On the record, I am very much a fan of
CYCLONE, and like Jolliffe's vocals and flute playing. (Is that flame
bait?)
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Nice Review of THE DREAM MIXES [I]
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Hi,
Somebody on GoldTri gave out the following URL for e-music reviews:
. I checked it out and
came across this:
Tangerine Dream The Dream Mixes (TDI/Miramar) Techno, ambient, and
trance have exemplified the pop-capacity of electronic music for a
handful of years now, yet truly lasting compositions have not exactly
been abundant in the movement. Now, in the mid 1990s, one of the groups
that brought synthesizers to the forefront of music (and who has been
copied, sampled, covered, etc.) takes the influences of dance head-on.
The result is frankly amazing. It is as if seasoned, visionary musicians
picked up some of the same tools ambient groups have only been fooling
around and showed everybody, 'Well, this is how it can be done.' The
Dream Mixes single handidly show [sic] what can be done with loops,
beats, breaks, stabbing synth lines, and effects when in the hands of
geniuses. The two-disc version is on TDI from Germany, the single disc
version is from Miramar in America.
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: More TD reviews, was Nice Review of THE DREAM MIXES [I]
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>Hi,
> Somebody on GoldTri gave out the following URL for e-music reviews:
>. I checked it out
Donīt forget to mention the other good source Mark gave out,
TD reviews can be found there at
http://www.amazings.com/galleries/gallery0009.html
, a 'TD in the 90īs' special is included too, btw.
Jens
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Subject: www.amazings.com reviews don't say anything
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>Subject: More TD reviews, was Nice Review of THE DREAM MIXES [I]
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 01:08:02 +0100
>Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>Don=B4t forget to mention the other good source Mark gave out,
>TD reviews can be found there at
>
>http://www.amazings.com/galleries/gallery0009.html
I didn't mention this URL because the 'reviews' don't really say
anything of value.
>, a 'TD in the 90=B4s' special is included too, btw.
*This* is good. The other 'reviews' at this site are not.
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: A 'Mohave Plan' UFO Abduction
I just got SBM versions of 'Encore' and 'White Eagle'. Regarding 'Mohave Plan', I just can't get enough ofthis track.. the first time I heard it, the sounds seemput me in an ambient trance as it seemed as ifI was being taken up in some sort of UFO, then scanned by some device.. then when my eyes opened.. ahh.. the action started.. =)heehee.. Greg H...
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By the time you read this I will be gone.
This is just not working out. Sifting through the heaps of garbage
to find a glimmer of the enjoyment I used to experience on this list, is just
not worth the aggrevation. Nothing personal. Perhaps it is I who have
changed. Be that as it may; it is time to move on. I will try to find
alternate venues to satisfy my needs, be they changed or unfulfilled.
I will hold dear, the memories and the priceless information I have
gathered from the various musicians, experts, TD-ologists over the last
several years. Thank you all for the time and love you have put into this
space for my benefit and for others as well. I'm sure it will continue
unabated for others who will come to take my place.
Phil Naunton
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> At 10:57 AM 12/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >Does anybody have this soundtrack? It is credited to Hoenig, but does not
> >contain any of his music (just like TD's Vision Quest).
>
> Vic,
> When I had the record store a lot of kids wanted the ST for 'The Wraith'.
> It was OOP, but I found a few copies on cs. Not sure if I still have one,
> but I'll look. Let you know.
>
> Mike
Your LP of the Wraith is on it's way to ya Vic. Enjoy the (snicker
snicker) music. Hehehe.
Dano
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Yes, most likely it is Phil that changed, because the list had it's share of
garbage in the past, but lately there have been a lot of interesting threads.
Oh well.
In a message dated 97-12-08 01:27:45 EST, you write:
<< This is just not working out. Sifting through the heaps of garbage
to find a glimmer of the enjoyment I used to experience on this list, is just
not worth the aggrevation. Nothing personal. Perhaps it is I who have
changed. >>
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>-From: Jonathan Miller
>Hi everyone,
>I have the following limited-edition CD sets for sale in
absolutely perfect
>condition, priced in UK pound sterling. Any interested parties
should
>contact me via the details below:
>Klaus Schulze, 'Jubilee Edition': a 25-CD set (!) of unreleased
studio and
>live recordings spanning the last 25 years, released this
summer to
>celebrate Schulze's 50th birthday, no less. I'm looking for
offers in the
>region of Ģ325 for this one!
Jonathan, I'm not one to rain on somebody else's parade, but this set is
still available for Ģ220 from C and D Services... lets not rip each
other off.
Regards,
Conrad Gibbons
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Really-From: 'Brian M. Frick'
'Tis such a shame that so many of the people that have made this list what it
is to me are disappearing these days. What has happened?
I may not say much on the list, but I sure as heck read everything from
certain members, and Phil is one.
Phil, good luck with everything, and, may you one day come back!
Sorry to see you go, too...
keep in touch!
tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: PNaunton
>
> By the time you read this I will be gone.
> This is just not working out. Sifting through the heaps of garbage
> to find a glimmer of the enjoyment I used to experience on this list, is just
> not worth the aggrevation. Nothing personal. Perhaps it is I who have
> changed. Be that as it may; it is time to move on. I will try to find
> alternate venues to satisfy my needs, be they changed or unfulfilled.
> I will hold dear, the memories and the priceless information I have
> gathered from the various musicians, experts, TD-ologists over the last
> several years. Thank you all for the time and love you have put into this
> space for my benefit and for others as well. I'm sure it will continue
> unabated for others who will come to take my place.
>
> Phil Naunton
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On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
>> http://rmprecords.com
HI !
I wanted to connect to the RMP-Records Homepage - but I couldn't.
Any idea ?
all the best
Rainer
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Yeah, it's RPM, not RMP :-)
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> On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
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> >> http://rmprecords.com
> HI !
> I wanted to connect to the RMP-Records Homepage - but I couldn't.
> Any idea ?
>
> all the best
>
> Rainer
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'Don't work for my happiness, my brothers -- show me yours -- show
me that it is possible -- show me your achievement -- and the
knowledge will give me the courage for mine.'
- Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead
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Date: Mon Dec 8, 1997 5:42
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> Quoted From: Rainer Rutka
>
> On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
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> >> http://rmprecords.com
> HI !
> I wanted to connect to the RMP-Records Homepage - but I couldn't.
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Oops! Whoever put that address up goofed. It's *RPM* Records and the
address (accordingly) is rpmrecords.com. That should work.
I also recommend them. I got the Dream Roots box from them (almost a year
ago already!) and their service is good! I'd order Time Square and
Ambient Monkeys from them, except I have to watch my spending right now.
I'll most definately get them when they're officially released next year.
Dave B.
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Subject: RE: Haslinger/Hoenig
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>OK, since NOBODY wants to speak up about these guys, then I'll
put in my two
>sentences. This will not be a fair evaluation, but just a quick
comment on
>my part:
Haslinger's World Without Rule is great, IMHO. VERY far from TD,
but still worth a listen.
Scott
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On Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:39:52 -0500 tadream mailing list
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> importantly, can you imagine Edgar leaving a fan alone in the studio with a
> studio tape lying around, equipment to copy it and, most importantly, the
> time needed to copy it? I like this story and, if true, the issues it
> raises are whether this fan actually 'took' the music on his/her own
> initiative and without edgar's consent; or whether Edgar just set up the
> whole situation ('OK we're going to lunch now, why don't you wait here?
> whatever you do, don't touch any of the studio tapes with material of the
> keep, and don't play with the recording equipment, nudge-nudge, wink-wink)
> In other words, was the fan here just a pawn in Edgar's attempts to subvert
> the legal impasse he was experiencing?
Sounds like the Edgar thing to do. Officially and in big
groups, he tends to act emotionless and entirely functional
and aware of all the things restraining what he can/is
allowed to say. On the other hand, some of the concert
reviews by members who have had the opportunity to meet
Edgar tell a whole different story. If anything, his recent
statement about making some of the older material
accessible via TDI shows that he does not even seem to be
pleased with the extent to which that material has been
made publicly available through bootlegging. With TDI, he's
got it in his own hands.
Dennis
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Date: Mon Dec 8, 1997 7:43
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Subject: KEEP AND VIDEO WATCHDOG
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HI Gang,
A while back I wrote cocerning the fact I had seen THE KEEP and the longer
edit mentioned in the magazine VIDEO WATCHDOG. Mr. Feldman, our resident Keep
enthusiast e-mailed the editor who replied he remembered nothing of the matter.
I replied thinking it was MOLASAR playing his vampire tricks.AHA! I found the
article over the weekend.
Dano sent me the cd which got me on a Keep fix over the weekend and I dug
out my old back issues and found the item in question. It was actually a letter
to the mag by a reader , and tho I seemed to remember there being photographs
in the mag, there aren't. (again vampire mindtricks).
The letter was in VIDEO WATCHDOG Special Edition #2 1995/96. On the cover
is Udo Kier as Dracula and in the corner Godzilla. The article reads :
The Keep-TV Version
Michael Manns 1983 version of F. Paul Wilson's novel THE KEEP was always one of
my favorite films. With it's Gothic tale of Nazi's vs. Evil vs. Good, the film
was obviously an animal of a different breed. Sure, it wasn't 100% perfect.
Sure some things made no sense. Sure, the script was riddled with cliches. But
the sheer visual impact of Michael Mann's direction more than balanced out
imperfections that showed up on the screen.
Except the ending! It was always a letdown.In this World War II fairy tale,
there was no pay-off. The prince perished with the Dragon. It seemed too
simplistic. I knew there had to be another ending, left on the cutting room
floor. Most of the known video prints, including the recent letterboxed
laserdisc version, all ended the same way-with a freeze frame of Eva Cuza (
Alberta Watson ) looking back at the Keep as she walks away from it.
On 11/27/94, on local cable channel KRRT 11, I had the pleasure of viewing
the alternate longer version of The Keep! While the film remains basically the
same, it contained an ending that is decidedly different from the previous
telecasts and all known video versions.
As mentioned earlier, the film ends with a freeze frame- of Eva Cuzo
walking away fromthe Keep. The new version never bothers to stop the action. We
see Alberta Watson stop, turn around and stop walking towards the Keep! Though
the series of long passages she makes her way deep inside. There she finds
Glaeken's ( Scott Glenn) lifeless body, who after defeating the evil Molasar
was pulled into the Keep by the whirlwind of energy. Eva hugs Glaeken and he is
revived by the power of love. The film ends with the long shot of Glaken and
Eva embracing each other in the darkness.
This version is much more satisfying! A great change...and it's about time!
Vitaly
Altoiz
San
Antonio , TX
I hope this helps clarify my mention of the article, although I seemed to
remember them saying it was going to be the Keep, I think it actually was
Dune-which they later covered in two issues. Anywhoo, thanks for the cd's Dano,
and Mr. Feldman-your quest continues! AS a side note, if anyone has a copy of
the above ending on video -email me I'll gladly pay for a dub! Thanks
Chris
NP Enter the Dragon ST Lalo Schriffen
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Subject: Mixes
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Yo!
Anyone know what the big thing about DQC (tm)
mastering is?
Notaced some of the older stuff is being remixed
in it (I know the current albums
use it!).
Cheers,
CMOSLover.
(Dying to pass a flute through a guitar distortion
pedal)
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Subject: It Gets Better With Age
Hello All!I'm just making a short comment about the SBM versionof 'Encore' which I just recently got (again) the other day (Thanks Virgin!)#009;I bought this album originally about two years ago,but this was only to be my second album after 'The Private Music ofTangerine Dream'. Personally, I could not stand it! I held onto it for a few months or so--but it's main use was to annoy the heck out of my fatherwho would come into my room to play video games. #009;Well on goes time and so does my TD collection get bigger. Well 'Encore' was up on my list of needed albums, having just gotten the wonderful 'Force Majeure', I thought, why not try again?#009;It turns out that I love the whole darn album, and my father walked in and was enjoying it too--odd how that happens!Greg H.
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Subject: Re: Wanted:Hoenig - The Wraith + CMiYC UK
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 12:18 AM 12/8/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Your LP of the Wraith is on it's way to ya Vic. Enjoy the (snicker
>snicker) music. Hehehe.
>
>Dano
>
I was wondering about this--by the way, Vic, I don't have it---I faintly
recall hearing it at the time and thinking it was--ah--not so hot. Very dim
recollection tho.
Mike
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Subject: Live Berlin 1978
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Hi TD-collectors!
Interested in the very rare boot-double-LP 'Don't walk dream now'?
The two records come in a numbered metal box with full coulor insert and b/w
sheet, the two vinyls feature the main sets of their legendary concert in
Berlin in 1978. This was the starting show from this european tour!
This edition is only 200 copies and the sound-quality is good. Ask for more
details, like vinyl colours. I have two copies left for enthusiasts!
Please contact me at: chris_horn@t...
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Date: Mon Dec 8, 1997 9:52
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Subject: Re: Mixes
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> Quoted From: CMOSLover
>
> [...]
> Cheers,
>
> CMOSLover.
> (Dying to pass a flute through a guitar distortion
> pedal)
>
Didn't they already do that on Alpha Centauri?? :-) (it sure sounds like
a distortion pedal on that flute to me...)
NMOS lover...NEVER! :-)
Dave B.
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Date: Mon Dec 8, 1997 10:18
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: CMOSLover
>
> Yo!
>
> Anyone know what the big thing about DQC (tm)
> mastering is?
>
Not exactly, but looking at the waveform of DQC (tm) tracks with my wavelab
program I'm pretty sure it's a combination of audio editor tool ( EQ, Effects,
stereo image), a strong compressor and level maximizer and finally a dithering +
noise shaping tool similar to Sony's SBM that gives near 20 bit resolution to
16
bit audio.
> Notaced some of the older stuff is being remixed
> in it (I know the current albums
> use it!).
>
The results as far as I've heard are very good.
By the way,
today I gave a look to Oasis video and I like it a lot. Music is fantastic and
the
images by Camera one are a perfect compliment. really good images, nice color
and
effects. They really looked for interesting and unusual spots and for fantastic
landscapes.
---francisco
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Date: Mon Dec 8, 1997 10:27
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Subject: Re: It Gets Better With Age
tadream mailing list wrote:
Hello
All!
I'm just making
a short comment about the SBM version
of 'Encore'
which I just recently got (again) the other day (Thanks Virgin!)
I bought this
album originally about two years ago,
but this was
only to be my second album after 'The Private Music of
Tangerine Dream'.
Personally, I could not stand it! I held onto it for a few months or so--but
it's main use was to annoy the heck out of my father
It was my fist TD album, back in 1977 and I didn't like it either. And
curiously, it was Force Majeure who hooked me into TD music.
What I couldn't stand for almost 20 years were Electronic Meditation,
Alpha Centauri, Zeit, Rubycon and Phaedra. today I like all of them
Rubycon and Pheadra are in my top 5 albums.
Curious, isn't it ?
---francisco
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Date: Mon Dec 8, 1997 11:32
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Subject: 'Desert Dream' Inspiration
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
Hi TDer's!
Upon listening to more of 'Encore', particularly 'Desert Dream' I was
thinking, now this isn't fact or truth, just an idea... Could the dark(er)
'Stratosfear' and 'Encore' denote the possibily of a coincidence with
Edgar's mentor Salvadore Dali?
It just seems that in about the middle of 'Desert Dream' where those
Spanish horns play along with a organ type sound.. it seems sad, as if it
were 'funeralesque.' I know that's the idea and feeling I get when I listen
to the song.
Of course, it could be nothing more than a play on those old Speghetti
Westerns.. =o)
Greg H..
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Date: Tue Dec 9, 1997 12:36
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Subject: Re: Ambient Monkeys & Time Square for Americans
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>
>On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
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>>> http://rmprecords.com
>HI !
>I wanted to connect to the RMP-Records Homepage - but I couldn't.
>Any idea ?
>
>all the best
>
> Rainer
>
Click on this:
http://rpmrecords.com/
My eyes and fingers are not what they used to be. :-(.
Sorry for the bum steer.
Andrew
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Date: Tue Dec 9, 1997 12:41
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Subject: tournado
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Hi TD people
Picked up Tournado at my local Best Buy yesterday, so it must be reaching the
local malls too, by now. I think I would have been more impressed if I hadn't
already heard the second set on the ADAM EVE cd. It was nice however to not
have the chattering evident on some of those tracks, and a nicer mix.
I hop TD keeps up with the GOLD embossing on their release cuz i think it
does indeed class up the package.
Chris
NP Braindead ST
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I received my 2 CD's today from RPM records. I highly recommend there
service, they are fast and reliable, and no games. Try them you won't
be disappointed, I've dealt with them several times before. They sent
a bonus CD as well, the music is not my thing, but the gesture was a
nice one.
Martyn Capel
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Date: Tue Dec 9, 1997 9:17
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Subject: The new Keep a bootleg??! Here's the deal supposedly
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Really-From: DJS
Well, I knew there was something fishy going on...and it wasn't Edgar
sailing in his Drakkar catching swordfish with his anchor. Apparently,
this new version of the Keep is NOT licensed. Sources tell me that
Virgin and MCA Universal had nothing to do with this new Keep release
and they did NOT authorize it's release, nor did they know anything
about it. Is it a bootleg? I don't know for sure...but my sources are
fairly reliable in the soundtrack world. I ask again...is it a bootleg?
Well, here's why I think it IS:
1-Why are there no original tracks on this CD FROM the film?
2-Why are the tracks that ARE from the film re-recorded?
3-Why didn't Edgar just release this officially in the US AND the UK and
make a LOT more money. You see, in the soundtrack business it isn't
basically profitable to press under 500 cd's (unless they are bootlegs)
because of rights, re-use fees, etc. Perhaps Edgar didn't want attention
drawn to this.
4-If it is legal, why not just buy the rights and release the REAL
score? As if Edgar doesn't have enough cashola.
Just some food for thought. Personally, I think this whole thing is a
cheat to the fans of the movie AND the music of Tangerine Dream. It
isn't right to sell a product as the OST (Original soundtrack) if it
ISN'T the real deal. What would happen if Star Wars were released on CD
and 90% of the music wasn't in the film!? You'd have some pretty pissed
off fans. I give an amazing example:
The OST for Escape From LA was released first as a vocal album. There
were about 4 songs out of 10 that were actually in the film. Why the
F%$# would someone want she-ite that wasn't in the film on the OST!?!?
Well, they don't! Why would someone want The Keep if it isn't the
Keep!?!? What is this german radio bullsh%$? That's simple. TD fans will
buy it, but OST collectors won't. Therefore Edgar makes a tiny profit,
Virgin and MCA don't care because Edgar makes only a few bucks and life
goes on. Of course, the rights for The Keep are so confusing that even
Edgar probably doesn't know who the hell has em. What better way to find
out than to release a pretty bootleg and wait to see who cries foul?
Remember what Vangelis did when that Blade Runner CD came out? He
re-recorded his OST for BladeRunner and released it because he didn't
own the rights to the original score anymore. Hmm, I think the time for
The Keep, this over-rated piece of crap, soundtrack's release needs to
happen....so we can all stop caring. Though personally I don't care if
the OST ever comes out (the music isn't that amazing...and I have most
of it anyway) I'd like to see the end of Mr. Feldman's quest because I
know what's it's like to lose sleep over wondering if you'll die before
a dream comes true (mine came true...I got Transformer's The Movie the
score and the complete score to...shhhh....I can't say yet but watch and
see what we're releasing next). From the world of OST's I say this to
you Stever....the day is coming when you will own this score. You just
have to stay alive long enough until you find this supposed LP or
SuperTracks releases the damn album.
Regards,
Dano
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Date: Tue Dec 9, 1997 9:23
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>
> Hi TD people
> Picked up Tournado at my local Best Buy yesterday, so it must be reaching the
local malls too, by now. I think I would have been more impressed if I hadn't
already heard the second set on the ADAM EVE cd. It was nice however to not
have the chattering evident on some of those tracks, and a nicer mix.
> I hop TD keeps up with the GOLD embossing on their release cuz i think it
does indeed class up the package.
> Chris
> NP Braindead ST
I think Edgar reads comic books and collects toys for his album cover
ideas. If he thinks that it helps to embellish the covers with foil
stamping and die-cut garbage he's obviously not kept up on the 'death of
an art' trend. The more you embellish the more you pay...on both ends.
Stick to the 4 color sleeves Edgar and stick the foil on your horned
helmet instead.
Dano
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Date: Tue Dec 9, 1997 4:47
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Subject: collection sell-off
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Really-From: ashok prema
Are their any die-hard vinyl collectors out there??
I'm off-loading my vinyl and have the following leftovers......anybody
interested please mail me off-line with offers on all or bits:
Force Majeure (Clear Vinyl)
Miracle Mile
3 O'Clock High
Wavelength
Teknicon ( 2 copies - Black cover Ltd Edition No's 16 and 26 of 40)(Paris
1986 concert part 1)
Warsaw inThe Sun 7' (2 copies)
Das madchen/Die Melodie 7' (2 copies)
TD flexi disc in REFLEX magazine (unplayed)
Bicycle Race (Red multi vinyl)
Undulation
Poland shaped disc
Quichotte (Amiga label)
:
Thanks
Ash
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Really-From: Rainer Rutka
Thanks to everybody who helped me for getting the RIGHT RPM-URL.
Just ordered Ambient Monkeys, Time Square and Tangerine Ambience.
Now - I hope I'll get it soon.
;-)
Rainer
E-Mail : rainer@k...
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Date: Tue Dec 9, 1997 12:25
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Subject: Re: Live Berlin 1978
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>
> Hi TD-collectors!
> Interested in the very rare boot-double-LP 'Don't walk dream now'?
> The two records come in a numbered metal box with full coulor insert
> and b/w
> sheet, the two vinyls feature the main sets of their legendary concert
> in
> Berlin in 1978. This was the starting show from this european tour!
> This edition is only 200 copies and the sound-quality is good. Ask for
> more
> details, like vinyl colours. I have two copies left for enthusiasts!
> Please contact me at: chris_horn@t...
Dear Chris :
do you remenber me ? , Iīm a Spanish collector , a long
time ago we write us . Iīm interested in a copy of the item , I have a
Trade list , read please and tell what do you think.
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Date: Tue Dec 9, 1997 3:23
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Subject: RE: tournado
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Dan,
I agree with your comments on us paying more, but since I like albums betters
anyway(more artwork to look at/ framable even), anything to CLASS up a cd is
good in my book. I for one would pay more for a cd if it had biggerinserts,
nothing pisses me off more than just a paper insert.
Chris
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> Hi TD people
> Picked up Tournado at my local Best Buy yesterday, so it must be reaching the
local malls too, by now. I think I would have been more impressed if I hadn't
already heard the second set on the ADAM EVE cd. It was nice however to not
have the chattering evident on some of those tracks, and a nicer mix.
> I hop TD keeps up with the GOLD embossing on their release cuz i think it
does indeed class up the package.
> Chris
> NP Braindead ST
I think Edgar reads comic books and collects toys for his album cover
ideas. If he thinks that it helps to embellish the covers with foil
stamping and die-cut garbage he's obviously not kept up on the 'death of
an art' trend. The more you embellish the more you pay...on both ends.
Stick to the 4 color sleeves Edgar and stick the foil on your horned
helmet instead.
Dano
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Subject: Ambient Monkeys
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I got this yesterday from RPM, and listened to it last night. GET
THIS!!! It's their finest workof the '90s, IMHO. At first I thought the
addition of the animal/jungle sounds was a bit Deep Forest-ish, but the
sounds are so in-your-face that they're not just there for atmosphere
but become part of the music. Musically, the weakest part was Largo,
which I thought sounded kind of smarmy and sentimental. Of course, this
is one track they didn't write! A couple of the melodies (I don't know
which because there is no track division!) sounded familiar. I seem to
recall them from Schmoelling-era live tapes, but everything TD-written
has Ed & Jerry as composers.
Again, it gets my heartiest recommendation.
Scott
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
I am quite a bit behind in reading the digests, but I think someone
inquired about this a few weeks back...
Here is the answer...
MJ
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 97 09:07:01 -0800
From: Haslinger
To: Michael A Jean
Subject: Re: Planetary CD?
>Can we expect to see this released as an audio CD?
>
>On Sonic Images perhaps???
>
>
>Mike Jean, Chicago
>
a soundtrack release is planned with Sonic Images for 1998
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Subject: TIMESQUARE/AMBIENT MONKEYS
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I accidentally deleted the cross reference indicating what source material
was used for the remixes... If someone still has them, please forward a
copy to me privately. Thanks.
MJ
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I agree, but why no CHAPTER STOPS? I hate fast forwarding thru the thing!!!! I
made a tape and left chapter stops, and maybe someday I'll get a minidisc and
do the same. Edgar and Jerome-CHAPTER STOPS please!
Chris
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I got this yesterday from RPM, and listened to it last night. GET
THIS!!! It's their finest workof the '90s, IMHO. At first I thought the
addition of the animal/jungle sounds was a bit Deep Forest-ish, but the
sounds are so in-your-face that they're not just there for atmosphere
but become part of the music. Musically, the weakest part was Largo,
which I thought sounded kind of smarmy and sentimental. Of course, this
is one track they didn't write! A couple of the melodies (I don't know
which because there is no track division!) sounded familiar. I seem to
recall them from Schmoelling-era live tapes, but everything TD-written
has Ed & Jerry as composers.
Again, it gets my heartiest recommendation.
Scott
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: Re: KEEP AND VIDEO WATCHDOG
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>Subject: KEEP AND VIDEO WATCHDOG
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 14:43:17 -0500
>Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
>
> The letter was in VIDEO WATCHDOG Special Edition #2 1995/96. On
>the cover is Udo Kier as Dracula and in the corner Godzilla. The article
>reads : The Keep-TV Version
What is a 'VIDEO WATCHDOG Special Edition'? Is it some sort of
reprint or something? I've never seen one of these anywhere.
> As mentioned earlier, the film ends with a freeze frame- of Eva
>Cuzo walking away fromthe Keep. The new version never bothers to stop
>the action. We see Alberta Watson stop, turn around and stop walking
>towards the Keep! [. . .]
Was 'turn around and stop walking' a typo that should have read,
'turn around and start walking'?
>[. . .] Though the series of long passages she makes her way deep
>inside. [. . .]
That's 'Through,' not 'Though, right?
Anyways, this goes a long way in explanating why the Floating
Glaeken ending is the same length as the Glaeken Carrying Molasar
ending: they both involve much walking around inside the keep. Aha!
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: The TV KEEP: 2 Endings, 1 Song!
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Folks,
Thanks to John Burek, Marcelo G. (a/k/a Tdune), Dano, and Goozer
(a/k/a Hermes Guzman), I have made a startling discovery: although there
are two different endings that show up on TV (one with Glaeken floating
down and being revived by Magda, and the other with Glaeken carrying
Molasar in his arms), there is only one long version of the end theme.
By this, I mean to say that the same exact long version of 'The Snowman'
is used for both endings!
Having only seen the version where Glaeken carries Molasar in his
arms, I had assumed that the deep-voiced roaring that is heard during
this version of the song's climax was a sythesized interpretation of
Molasar's spirit raging against Glaeken, but as it turns out, it is
because the other ending had a person corresponding to the voice! The
voice is that of Dr. Cuza, who is yelling to Magda not to return to the
keep (which she does, eventually to find Glaeken floating in the air).
So, both long versions of the 'The Snowman'-derived end theme run
7:32, and have the juicy part (the part with the roaring sounds) start
at 3:25, with a quiet mellotron interlude at the 6:00 mark, and a return
to the end theme at 6:39. Eureka! Why is it that it took so long for
this revelaton to come to light? I thought I had described what the
music sounded like fairly accurately, so I am surprised that no one else
had caught on or at least mentioned that their version, too, had roaring
and an intense part of music not present at the end of the videotape and
laserdisk and cable versions. (By the way, it turns out that the term
'cable versions' was the cause of some confusion: I meant to imply *pay*
cable 'premium channels,' such as Cinemax, HBO, the Movie Channel, and
Showtime; not A & E, USA, TBS, TNT, Lifetime, and the Sci-Fi Channel.)
The nice result of this discovery is that this until-now elusive
piece of music shall be making its way to us in stereo on CD-R in the
not-too-distant future, methinks. Yay! :)
Now take *that* and send it to VIDEO WATCHDOG! ;)
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: TV KEEP Ending: Better Yet, Send it to Edgar or Virgin!
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!Date: Tue, 09 Dec 97 21:36:16 EST
!From: Steven Feldman
!Subject: The TV KEEP: 2 Endings, 1 Song!
!To: Tangerine Dream Digest
[stuff deleted about how the two long TV endings of THE KEEP might have
different visuals but have the very same music.]
! Now take *that* and send it to VIDEO WATCHDOG! ;)
Right after I sent the above, it occurred to me that if what Dano
says about an upcoming debacle with MCA and Virgin (just like the good
old days in 1984, eh?) is true, the TDI Ltd. Ed. THE KEEP could end up
being rarer than the $%^&*#@ LP from 1984! I mean, think about it: 150
copies of the CD, and 500 (?) of the LP. Groan; sickening, isn't it?
Anyways, how about this: instead of alerting VIDEO WATCHDOG about the
long ending to THE KEEP, why not send it to TDI (a/k/a Edgar & Son) or
Virgin UK, who is supposedly going to issue THE KEEP soundtrack CD with
additional tracks? I have a feeling that Edgar and Virgin is not aware
that this piece of music appears in the film as it now exists: that it
is therefore something that they can put on CD because it *was* in the
film--but that didn't stop Edgar from putting stuff that *wasn't* in
the film on the CD, did it? Sigh. I think I'm chasing my own tail,
with *that* one. :( ;) :)
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Date: Wed Dec 10, 1997 9:19
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Subject: Re: Ambient Monkeys
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>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
>I got this yesterday from RPM, and listened to it last night. GET
>THIS!!! It's their finest workof the '90s, IMHO.
I wouldn't go as far as 'their finest of the 90s' but certainly in the top
three of the decade.
>At first I thought the
>addition of the animal/jungle sounds was a bit Deep Forest-ish, but the
>sounds are so in-your-face that they're not just there for atmosphere
>but become part of the music.
That's one reason why I like it - it's so in-yer-face. At times, the music is
almost completely lost behind the squeeks and squawks.
>Musically, the weakest part was Largo,
>which I thought sounded kind of smarmy and sentimental. Of course, this
>is one track they didn't write! A couple of the melodies (I don't know
>which because there is no track division!) sounded familiar. I seem to
>recall them from Schmoelling-era live tapes, but everything TD-written
>has Ed & Jerry as composers.
That's an interesting point I'd not realised before. There's definitely a piece
of Green Desert on there (one of the first two tracks), as well as some
Schmoelling-era Le Parc and Poland type stuff (as you rightly point out).
Interesting that they can claim composer's credits for this.
>
>Again, it gets my heartiest recommendation.
Likewise - it might be a bit strange but it is very enjoyable.
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Date: Wed Dec 10, 1997 10:20
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Subject: Ltd-edition Klaus Schulze/Ashra/Christopher Franke CD sets for sale!
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Hi everyone,
I have the following limited-edition CD sets for sale in absolutely perfect
condition, priced in UK pound sterling. Any interested parties should
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Klaus Schulze, 'Jubilee Edition': a 25-CD set (!) of unreleased studio and
live recordings spanning the last 25 years, released this summer to
celebrate Schulze's 50th birthday, no less. I'm looking for offers in the
region of Ģ325 for this one!
Klaus Schulze, 'Silver Edition': an autographed 1993 10-CD set of unlreased
mostly early 1990s studio and soundtrack recordings, although it also
includes 1975 and 1977 concert recordings. Offers in the region of Ģ125.
Ash Ra Tempel, 'The Private Tapes': a 1996 6-CD set of unreleased 1970s and
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On Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:19:08 +0000 (GMT) tadream mailing
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> That's an interesting point I'd not realised before. There's definitely a
piece
> of Green Desert on there (one of the first two tracks), as well as some
> Schmoelling-era Le Parc and Poland type stuff (as you rightly point out).
> Interesting that they can claim composer's credits for this.
I commented on that point earlier, in a post I sent around
the 10th of November. The piece titled 'The Seventh
Propeller of Silence' is identical to 'Astral Voyager' from
Green Desert, and the last track, 'Myopia World' is from
Optical Race - either 'Turning off the Wheel' or 'The
Midnight Trail'. It doesn't seem legitimate to have only
the Froeses mentioned as composers.
I'm still not sure about what I really think of the album.
I don't think I'd call it anything like 'the best album of
the Nineties' - it lacks a dynamic spectrum, and is almost
too ambient to be TD... have to listen to it again.
Dennis
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Has anyone mentioned that the last track on the Keep is one they used to
play on the '82 tour but never made it to Logos? On Logos, it would have
come right after the first bridge.
Scott
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>I'm still not sure about what I really think of the album.
>I don't think I'd call it anything like 'the best album of
>the Nineties' - it lacks a dynamic spectrum, and is almost
>too ambient to be TD... have to listen to it again.
I dunno what you mean by 'dynamic spectrum' but the comment
about being too ambient to be TD is what makes it so good! It's not the
Satriyanni stuff that they've been doing for the last. . . eek! Seven
years! (Mind you, I _like_ most of the stuff from the '90s, esp.
Rockoon.)
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IN A PAST LETTER I WROTE:
> The letter was in VIDEO WATCHDOG Special Edition #2 1995/96. On
>the cover is Udo Kier as Dracula and in the corner Godzilla. The article
>reads : The Keep-TV Version
What is a 'VIDEO WATCHDOG Special Edition'? Is it some sort of
reprint or something? I've never seen one of these anywhere.
>A 'VIDEO WATCHDOG SPECIAL EDITION' IS ONLY AVAILIBLE THROUGH MAIL ORDER FROM
THE EDITORS, AND NOT SOLD ON NEWSTANDS. IT IS JUST THAT , A THICKER THAN USUAL
VERSION, WITH AD'S FOR WHERE TO FIND THE HARD TO LOCATE VIDEOS, AND MORE THAN
USUAL LETTERS TO THE MAG AND VARIOUS INDEPTH ARTICLES. IF YOU WANT VOLUME
,2-EMAIL THE EDITOR TIM LUCAS AGAIN.
> As mentioned
earlier, the film ends with a freeze frame- of Eva
>Cuzo walking away fromthe Keep. The new version never bothers to stop
>the action. We see Alberta Watson stop, turn around and stop walking
>towards the Keep! [. . .]
Was 'turn around and stop walking' a typo that should have read,
'turn around and start walking'?
YES STEVEN, IN MY EXCITEMENT FOR YOU I MAY HAVE BEEN TYPING TOO FAST.PLEASE
GRADE MY PAPER ACOORDINGLY, I FIGGERED(=+)) YOU PROBABLY UNDERSTOOD IT ANYWAY,
PLEASE DON'T CONDEMN ME FOR MY TRESPASSES.
>[. . .] Though the series of long passages she makes her way deep
>inside. [. . .]
That's 'Through,' not 'Though, right?
SIR ,YES, SIR!
Anyways, this goes a long way in explanating why the Floating
Glaeken ending is the same length as the Glaeken Carrying Molasar
ending: they both involve much walking around inside the keep. Aha!
SURE IT DOES, BUT THE POINT OF MY LETTER WAS THAT I DID IN FACT SEE
THE LETTER IN THE MAGAZINE, SO THERE! =+)
AS FOR EDGAR EVER RELEASING ANOTHER VERSION OF THE KEEP
SOUNDTRACK, 'KEEP' DREAMING. THIS WILL ALMOST FOR SURE NEVER HAPPEN. BUT
DREAMERS WE ARE INDEED. NOW IF SOMEONE WOULD JUST GET ME A COPY OF THE DAMN
MOVIE WITH EITHER OF THE DIFF ENDINGS MY WORLD WOULD BE COMPLETE. BY THE WAY
STEVEN, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE FANGORIA WITH THE KEEP ON THE COVER?
IT WAS RELEASED WHEN THE FILM CAME OUT AND HAS SEVERAL PHOTOS OF THE FILM AND
molassar ON THE COVER.
CHRIS(THE DREAMER WHO KEEPS THE KEEP ISSUE AT THE FRONT OF MR FELDMANS MIND)
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>Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
>
>I commented on that point earlier, in a post I sent around
>the 10th of November.
I was away at that time, and haven't read through all of the digests I stored
from then. Sorry.
>The piece titled 'The Seventh
>Propeller of Silence' is identical to 'Astral Voyager' from
>Green Desert, and the last track, 'Myopia World' is from
>Optical Race - either 'Turning off the Wheel' or 'The
>Midnight Trail'. It doesn't seem legitimate to have only
>the Froeses mentioned as composers.
BTW, does anyone have any theories on the printing of Myopia World on the back
cover. It looks as though the print is larger than the other titles. Is this an
optical illusion/jest on the title, or what?
Another Jerome thing, perhaps? Humour on TD record covers? Couldn't see Mr.
Serious doing that twenty years ago.
>I'm still not sure about what I really think of the album.
>I don't think I'd call it anything like 'the best album of
>the Nineties' - it lacks a dynamic spectrum, and is almost
>too ambient to be TD... have to listen to it again.
I'd almost agree with that last comment - it is much more ambient than anything
they've done for decades, and certainly a different type of ambient from their
early 70s explorations. It does sound more like Deep Forest than TD.
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I am disappointed to have not (yet) received a copy of the S/T, but who
ever said there were only going to be 150 copies???
What I recall is that 150 copies were going to be made available through
the TD website... They still may be for all we know...
Someone who actually has a copy could confirm whether it is a limited
edition pressing (eg. #35 of 150).
MJ, Chicago
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>Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
>I am disappointed to have not (yet) received a copy of the S/T, but who
>ever said there were only going to be 150 copies???
>
>What I recall is that 150 copies were going to be made available through
>the TD website... They still may be for all we know...
>
>Someone who actually has a copy could confirm whether it is a limited
>edition pressing (eg. #35 of 150).
I reread with interest the section on the official page about The Keep. It says
it'll be released in January, with 150 pre-sale copies available in December.
Since this is December, I'm surprised there isn't anything more about this on
the page.
My copy of The Keep has no number on it, although it does state that it is a
special edition. It doesn't say what's special about it (packaging, music,
etc.)
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OK OK OK!!! You win Steven! I went to Blockbuster yesterday and rented THE
KEEP and SORCERER to copy. I'm gonna watch that sucker tonight.
On that same note, I've subscribed to FILMFAX since it started--there are
many ads in it for odd/horror/etc films--I'll give a look-see, might find
KEEP in there somewhere--I'll report back if I find anything.
Donning his pith helmet for the journey,
Mike
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>Subject: RE: KEEP AND VIDEO WATCHDOG
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>Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:30:45 -0500
>Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
>
>> What is a 'VIDEO WATCHDOG Special Edition'? [. . .]
>A 'VIDEO WATCHDOG SPECIAL EDITION' IS ONLY AVAILIBLE THROUGH MAIL ORDER
>FROM THE EDITORS, AND NOT SOLD ON NEWSTANDS. [. . .]
I had a feeling that's what you meant: one of those compilation
volumes of back-issues. No wonder I never saw an issue of VW with Udo
Kier on the cover.
>> Was 'turn around and stop walking' a typo that should have read,
>>'turn around and start walking'?
>
>YES STEVEN, IN MY EXCITEMENT FOR YOU I MAY HAVE BEEN TYPING TOO FAST.
Sorry. I didn't mean to criticize your typing; I just wanted to
find out if whether the typo had been made by you or the guy who wrote
the letter to VW.
>[. . .] THE POINT OF MY LETTER WAS THAT I DID IN FACT SEE THE LETTER
>IN THE MAGAZINE, SO THERE!
Nope, it wasn't in the magazine, but in a compilation volume that
draws on material previously printed in the magazine. Hey, I just got
out of grad school, where they're very testy about accurate quoting.
All kidding aside, it's nice to know that you were right.
> AS FOR EDGAR EVER RELEASING ANOTHER VERSION OF THE KEEP
>SOUNDTRACK, 'KEEP' DREAMING. [. . .]
Well, if the rumors are true, Virgin UK is putting out the wide-
release version WITH EXTRA TRACKS, so . . . never say never.
>BY THE WAY STEVEN, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE FANGORIA WITH THE KEEP ON THE
>COVER?
Yup. I never bought it, though: it had no signifant insight on the
soundtrack and/or alternate endings.
>IT WAS RELEASED WHEN THE FILM CAME OUT AND HAS SEVERAL PHOTOS OF THE
>FILM AND molassar ON THE COVER.
Yes, this I know. And like all FANGORIA issues, it was released
*before* the film. Don't you just love my nit-picking?--not! Groan.
-- Steven Feldman
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Hello Everyone,
I just added myself to the Tangerine Dream Mailing List. I have been a
fan of TD since the ' 70's, and was present at the Logos LP taping. I tend to
enjoy the Schmoelling era music better than the new stuff. Ethereal
soundscapes and more free-form improvisations. Just thought I'd let you all
know where I'd be coming from.
I have a few TD items for sale....1986 North American Tour Jacket...please
make offer. E-mail me for more info. Thanks David
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Really-From: Vic Rek
Well, I received a few packages from Santa today.
One from Super Collector (Dano), which contained:
1. The Wraith soundtrack Promo LP. As I suspected this is the same case as
TD being credited with Vision Quest. Michael Hoenig's name is in the fine
print, but it's all pop/metal music. Nice cover though.
2. A nice movie sampler called 'Murder She Wrote' with STREETHAWK on it!
I guess for this I'll have to send Dano some REAL Streethawk music! Good job
Dano, as usual!
And Dano's 'buddy' Hilmar sent me a few German samplers with TD. They are:
1. Electrocity Vol. 6 w/White Eagle
2. Masterworks w/Lily on the Beach
3. Krautrock w/Journey Through a Burning Brain + Fly and Collison of Comas Sola.
This is a double CD and also contains music by Cosmic Jokers, Can, Ash Ra
Tempel, and all the other classic Kraut groups!
Thanks friends! Good stuff will be coming your way also!
Vic
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Hello All,
I have a friend who has a Pioneer PDO-5 for sale.
It lists for $2100 and he would like to sell it for $800.
It is like new, he has the box and packaging and all the
paperwork and warrenty materials.
You can contact him at (813)985-1070. His name is Randy.
Call him for more info.
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I guessed I missed some of the posts.
Is the Keep no longer coming out in the US in January? What is coming out?
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> You know, maybe this list has garbage posted once in a while, but I still
> think this list is informative and entertaining. This person Kwok posts a
> message about crap, but I have never seen him post anything about TD?
>
> Vic
>
Right. The list are ourselves. If someone thinks he can add a value then he
should go ahead and writ it..
Anyway, I'm wondering how being off the list is he able to reply to a mesage
never
seen. (or does 'off list' mean 'lurk-mode' ?)
---Francisco
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I am interested in what you may have for sale. thanks in advance!
Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions
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You know, maybe this list has garbage posted once in a while, but I still
think this list is informative and entertaining. This person Kwok posts a
message about crap, but I have never seen him post anything about TD?
Vic
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up my
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>Thanks for the short term membership of this list!!
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I really do disagree with you there, as Jerome has modernised TD, and it is good
for a band of 30 years to progress with the times. It's the '90's for crying
out
loud!!!
A Wonder
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>
>
>
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><< Hey, what about TD last 7 years? For me it's all the same, too.
> Didn't bought any of them. Since Jerome joined the band the quality
> and variety of TD's music diminished. >>
>
>
>Look, folks, here we have an example of a _real_ fan...
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>IMO, if someone doesn't like TD circa 1990-1997, then why get bent out of
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> I really do disagree with you there, as Jerome has modernised TD, and it is
good
> for a band of 30 years to progress with the times. It's the '90's for crying
out
> loud!!!
I've NEVER understood this statement. It's the 90's man, get with the
times! Be a follower! Just because it's the 90's doesn't mean music has
to start reeking does it? It's like saying that just because it's the
90's, it's okay to start doing things that we didn't or shouldn't have
done a decade ago. The lamest excuse for things to change is because
it's present day. The only thing lamer is the people who spread the
term. TD's changing music has nothing to do with 'the ninties'. It has
to do with several things including musician musical chairs, band
burnout, and ego. I've enjoyed every TD transition since the beginning,
until now. When Paul left everything changed a little too much for me,
and not for the better IMO.
Dano
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Subject: Is Dream Mixes VOL.2 a Double CD?
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Synth Music Direct main catalog lists 'Dream Mixes Vol.2' as DCD (Double
CD ?). St. Thomas adepts can confirm this on SMD on-line catalog at
http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk/main2.htm , and SMD members can also
watch the magazine #21.
I don't remember any mention here on tadream about this new album being
a double CD. Or did I miss something? Anybody having this album can
confirm if it's a DCD? Thanks.
Antonio
P.S. Synth Music Direct catalog includes also a TD album described as
'concert interval music'. Yes, it's 'Ambient Monkies'.
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> Synth Music Direct main catalog lists 'Dream Mixes Vol.2' as DCD (Double
> CD ?)
I think this is probably just the 2 CD version of Dream Mixes 1 that TDI
put out...the one with the extra tracks Sojus and Iowa.
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>Really-From: Antonio Nunes
> Anybody having this album can confirm if it's a DCD?
No, the TDI version is a single CD. Maybe a DCD set will be released next
year ;-)
Jens
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In a message dated 97-12-10 04:01:33 EST, you write:
<< Anyways, this goes a long way in explanating why the Floating >>
That's explaining not explanating, right? LOL Dell
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>
>In a message dated 97-12-10 04:01:33 EST, Steve wrote:
>
><< Anyways, this goes a long way in explanating why the Floating >>
>
> That's explaining not explanating, right? LOL Dell
D'oh! You got me. I guess I deserved that.
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In a message dated 97-12-11 08:22:28 EST, you write:
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Really-From: Vic Rek
You know, maybe this list has garbage posted once in a while, but I still
think this list is informative and entertaining. This person Kwok posts a
message about crap, but I have never seen him post anything about TD?
Vic
>Really-From: 'Kwok Ng'
>P.S. I'm off list now, due to the amount of crap junk stuff that's clogging
up my
>account.
>Thanks for the short term membership of this list!!
>>
Was it something I said? I join the list and suddenly everyone is jumping
ship. What crap junk stuff are we talking about? So far, I have pretty much
enjoyed all contributions made to this list although sometimes a little more
respect for everyone's opinions would have been nicer. If I in any way am
contributing to the 'irritation' factor, please let me know (privately,
please) and I will contain myself more. Otherwise, I think the complaints are
a Kwok of Sh--. 8-) Dell
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Sean Montgomery wrote:
>> Synth Music Direct main catalog lists 'Dream Mixes Vol.2' as DCD (Double
>> CD ?)
>I think this is probably just the 2 CD version of Dream Mixes 1 that TDI
>put out...the one with the extra tracks Sojus and Iowa.
No, it isnt't, because they list also the DCD Dream Mixes Vol.1.
As for Vol.2 being a DCD, is it a typo, or is there in fact a DCD
release, just like Vol.1?
I think I'll send a e-mail to Dave Law from SMD, later (I should be at
work now, but I'm still at home reading tadream...)
Antonio
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Subject: Ultima Thule
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Greetings,
I ordered the Ultima Thule limited edition 7' TD single, does anyone
have any information on this single (I assume it's a reissue)?
Looking for a copy of TDI's The Keep, does anyone have one available for
trade or sale, if so please email me your price or trade list.
Have several copies of the coeffecient .. and spherical (both vol 1 )
CD's for trade.
Neil
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Subject: 92 Tour Poster
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Greetings,
I received a signed Turn of the Tides poster however I believe there was
another poster available during TD's European tour, if so I offer a 92
tour poster for trade.
In addition, I have a few copies of the brilliant Quinoa CD for trade.
Please e-mail me directly if there is any interest.
On another note, I have to disagree with some of you regarding the
Ambient Monkeys CD, it is a very hard listen with all those jungle
sounds mixed in and as mentioned before there is no indexing. The
Timesquare CD is a little better however I still prefer the Dream Mixes
I DCD especially all of the new compositions on it since I still can't
appreciate most of the remixes. Just thought I'd share with you my
opinion.
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Subject: Re: TD '90-'97
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On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:10:25 -0800 tadream mailing list
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> Really-From: DJS
>
> I've NEVER understood this statement. It's the 90's man, get with the
> times! Be a follower! Just because it's the 90's doesn't mean music has
> to start reeking does it? It's like saying that just because it's the
> 90's, it's okay to start doing things that we didn't or shouldn't have
> done a decade ago. The lamest excuse for things to change is because
> it's present day. The only thing lamer is the people who spread the
> term. TD's changing music has nothing to do with 'the ninties'.
That's right; and on top of that, I wouldn't even say that
the music TD produce now (or, rather, produced from '90 to
'97, as that's what we're talking about) is particularly
typical of the Nineties. It is probably best just defined
as 'TD music of the Nineties', not as 'nineties music' per
se.
Dennis
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I never thought this day would happen but I actually find myself agreeing with
Dano (pinch me). I think that anyone that uses the excuse of the modernizing
of the times to justify change for change's sake is nuts. Top 40 radio is
chock full of useless crap that sells absolutely TONS of records just because
of all the people jumping onto the current bandwagon of the day (re: Hanson,
Spice Girls, ANY RAP artists...) yet none of these artists will register more
than a small blip on the pages of music history. TD has never been a band to
use change as a tool to gain marketshare, only to spread its own musical
directions--whether for the better or the worse. I agree that the band has
been a bit worse off since Paul left and of course the same with the loss of
Chris but someone still likes them. They are still selling an awful lot of
CDs. c-ya later!
Mike Surber
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> Really-From: Vic Rek
> And Dano's 'buddy' Hilmar sent me a few German samplers with TD.
Heh heh, well...we ARE both German. The difference though is Hilmar
probably actually can speak German fluently. Yavol! It's what I get for
being born in California I guess.
Dano (no I don't know Klaus!!) Schulte
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> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> You know, maybe this list has garbage posted once in a while, but I still
> think this list is informative and entertaining. This person Kwok posts a
> message about crap, but I have never seen him post anything about TD?
>
> Vic
>
I agree. While Eli & I have posted some high and low comedy smaplers
these past few months, I hardly think it's bad enough to unsubscribe.
Well, as you said, what did THIS guy contribute. I may be the
perpetrator of bad comedy sometimes but at least I have things important
to say as well...such as Street Hawk is actively being considered by Mr
Franke and SI for release. More info later...
Captain Dano!
np-Revelation Club promo OST (music that inspired my sci-fi epic comic
book series due out next year!) (contains JMJ, good JMJ remixes & Peter
Schilling).
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Would someone please clarify whether
The Keep CD is actually coming out in January?
Also, I picked up the 2-CD Book Of Dreams for $6 at
a record show, and enjoy it immensely.
What's added in the 5-CD (or is it 4?) Dream Roots
box that might compel me to try to get a copy of that?
Thanks.
--Dave
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>
> Greetings,
>
> I ordered the Ultima Thule limited edition 7' TD single, does anyone
> have any information on this single (I assume it's a reissue)?
>
I hope you have a sense of humor...because when you hear UT yer gonna
laugh yer ass right off. Heh heh, I know I did!
Dano
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Subject: 'Paris Edge' - Live 1986
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I got this CDR with the simple cover that says 'Paris Edge Live-1986.'
No track listing, no nothing.
Anyone know what this is? Or will I have to listen to 'Parisian
Dreams' and '3 Tier Dream' all over again? There was only one
concert in 1986 in Paris at Olympique (March 31).
Sure would appreciate being illuminated.
TIA
Andrew
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On Friday, December 12, 1997 2:55 PM, tadream mailing list
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>
> > I ordered the Ultima Thule limited edition 7' TD single, does anyone
> > have any information on this single (I assume it's a reissue)?
> I hope you have a sense of humor...because when you hear UT yer gonna
> laugh yer ass right off. Heh heh, I know I did!
I more concerned as to where I can order a copy of this (and the Keep?)
- jim
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>Subject: Q. on The Keep CD; also a Q. on Dream Roots
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:44:57 -0500
>Really-From: 'Dave Lane'
>
>Would someone please clarify whether
>The Keep CD is actually coming out in January?
If I knew the answer to questions like that, I'd become a broker.
>What's added in the 5-CD (or is it 4?) Dream Roots
>box that might compel me to try to get a copy of that?
The first and last of the four cuts on the fifth CD are really
decent. The first, 'Valley of the Sun,' is the best 15-minute song
TD has done since POLAND . . . and that was over 13 years ago! (And
no, I don't think 'Silver Scale is as good as 'Valley of the Sun.')
-- Steven Feldman
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Hi guys,
In a past letter Dano wote;
> > I ordered the Ultima Thule limited edition 7' TD single, does anyone
> I hope you have a sense of humor...because when you hear UT yer gonna
> laugh yer ass right off. Heh heh, I know I did!
I was just wondering why , as I don't have this either. Is it a bad recording?
Or just repetitive and not deserving? LEMME KNOW< LEMME KNOW. Also Dano, gonna
answer that Transformer question I posed to you? What's the reason it draws you
into to it's Feldman/Keep like grasp?
Chris
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Really-From: Pawel Jachowicz
Dear TD fans,
I have recently ran across the following site:
http://mcs.nl/groove/catalog.html
There I found a fairly large selection of CDs available for purchase
from artists such as Schmoelling, Baumann, Goettshing, Karl Bartos
(Kraftwerk & Electric Music), Schulze, Hoenig, Haslinger, Ashra among
others. Their TD selection is quite extensive as well including such
things as Quinoa.
Now, I am not affiliated with them in any manner - I just happened to
run across their site, which seems to carry all of the music which
interests me. I wanted to share this info with all those also
interested in acquiring those hard to obtain e-music CDs.
Cheers,
Pawel
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pavel@c... http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~pavel
tangerine dream, christoph franke, edgar froese, johannes schmoelling
klaus schulze, florian fricke, paul haslinger, klaus krueger, peter baumann
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Date: Fri Dec 12, 1997 11:57
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Subject: Das Madchen auf der Treppe Promo CD
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Really-From: Vic Rek
This promo CD was released earlier this year by Virgin as I hear. The TD web
page said that 1000 copies were pressed and you can contact your usual
sources (Stephan correct me if I'm wrong) about getting this. So far, I
know 4 or 5 people that own this personally. So why is this release so
illusive? Maybe 1000 copies were NOT pressed or maybe all the European
radio stations hold on to these items for some time before they dump them. I
don't know.
Does anybody know how this business works these days? Comments appreciated.
Vic
BTW, Anyone looking for a 'Force Majeure' promo 7' single with picture sleeve??
What do you have to trade? Private Music singles always appreciated...
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Subject: Re: Valley of the Sun: better than Silver Scale
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>Really-From: Steven Feldman
> The first and last of the four cuts on the fifth CD are really
>decent. The first, 'Valley of the Sun,' is the best 15-minute song
>TD has done since POLAND . . . and that was over 13 years ago! (And
>no, I don't think 'Silver Scale is as good as 'Valley of the Sun.')
I totally agree with you Steven. This is a MUST have TD track! Vic
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> Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
>
> Hi guys,
> In a past letter Dano wote;
>
> > > I ordered the Ultima Thule limited edition 7' TD single, does anyone
>
> > I hope you have a sense of humor...because when you hear UT yer gonna
> > laugh yer ass right off. Heh heh, I know I did!
>
> I was just wondering why , as I don't have this either. Is it a bad
recording? Or just repetitive and not deserving? LEMME KNOW< LEMME KNOW. Also
Dano, gonna answer that Transformer question I posed to you? What's the reason
it draws you into to it's Feldman/Keep like grasp?
>
> Chris
>
> NP Meco's STAR WARS AND OTHER GALACTIC FUNK
Let's just say that there were at least three bongs in the room when
they recorded this.....and the bongs WERE being used. It sounds like
drunken instrumental Tull on a really bad night. Hey, how is your
galactic funk doing anyway. Did you buy the Mecco Xmas album too?
Dano
np-Cutthroat Island (and man does this score kick ass!)
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>Really-From: DJS
>> Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
>>
>> Hi guys,
>> In a past letter Dano wote;
>>
> >> > I ordered the Ultima Thule limited edition 7' TD single, does anyone
>>
> >> I hope you have a sense of humor...because when you hear UT yer gonna
> >> laugh yer ass right off. Heh heh, I know I did!
>
>> I was just wondering why , as I don't have this either. Is it a bad
recording? Or just repetitive and not deserving? LEMME KNOW< LEMME KNOW.
Also Dano, gonna answer that Transformer question I posed to you? What's
the reason it draws you into to it's Feldman/Keep like grasp?
>>
> >Chris
>
> >NP Meco's STAR WARS AND OTHER GALACTIC FUNK
>Let's just say that there were at least three bongs in the room when
>they recorded this.....and the bongs WERE being used. It sounds like
>drunken instrumental Tull on a really bad night. Hey, how is your
>galactic funk doing anyway. Did you buy the Mecco Xmas album too?
>Dano
>np-Cutthroat Island (and man does this score kick ass!)
Aw, don't let Dano scare you, Chris! I like that tune! It just sounds like
early 70s psych-rock at it's worst. Chris broke out his acoustic drumkit,
too! Hahaha
EMan
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Date: Thu Nov 13, 1997 9:08
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Subject: Re: Valley of the Sun: better than Silver Scale
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tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> >Subject: Q. on The Keep CD; also a Q. on Dream Roots
>
>
> >What's added in the 5-CD (or is it 4?) Dream Roots
> >box that might compel me to try to get a copy of that?
Didn't you find this CD is the most 'Jarre-like' styled TD has done?
> The first and last of the four cuts on the fifth CD are really
> decent. The first, 'Valley of the Sun,' is the best 15-minute song
> TD has done since POLAND . . . and that was over 13 years ago! (And
> no, I don't think 'Silver Scale is as good as 'Valley of the Sun.')
>
Don't forget Waterborne and Summer Storm (Oasis soundtrack)
I think, specially waterborne is one of the best in the 90ies
--Francisco
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Subject: Re: Q. on The Keep CD; also a Q. on Dream Roots
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In a message dated 97-12-13 07:38:14 EST, you write:
<< What's added in the 5-CD (or is it 4?) Dream Roots
box that might compel me to try to get a copy of that? >>
I just got my copy earlier this week, and I can't comment on it yet...I'm
other reviews of the new tracks will follow.
It's 5 CD's, and an AWESOME booklet with 95 documented pictures of the group
ranging from 1967 to 1990. The pictures a bit small (a couple per page), but
the concert shots will bring back fond memories.
Doug
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Subject: TD Sherperds Bush gig in MOJO
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
Hi Tadreamers,
Just bought the new MOJO and......I saw a wonderful review on page 136 of
the Sherperds Bush gig last month.
Complete with setlist and a photo (In here somewhere...Tangerine Dream),
the review is OK and starts off with the legend: 'Humans or Dummies ??'.
The reviewer found the gig a bit dull and dreamy....'the wow-factor, it has
to be said, was disappointingly meagre.'
But....I think it's great that MOJO did a review of a TD concert and on the
next page...there's a review of another favourite band of mine: Porcupine
Tree.
Check out the new MOJO !!
Cheeeeeeers,
Wouter
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Date: Sat Dec 13, 1997 4:43
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Subject: Encore poster
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Really-From: Bill Lantz
Does anyone know where I can find a 'subway' size poster for the 'Encore'
LP? I remember seeing one a long time ago and memory tells me it
prominently displayed the back cover photograph of the LP. Made it seem
real dark and mysterious. Anyone seen one for sale anywhere?
Bill
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Subject: The KEEP mystery
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Really-From: Michael Fox
For Steven:
So as I said a day or so back, I rented THE KEEP to see what all the fuss
is about. I pop it in the VCR and.......what the f*&k?????......it's some
dumb CARRIE wannabe flick called JENNIFER!! I eject the tape----lesse...the
box says THE KEEP.....the cassette itself says THE KEEP...but the damn
movie is JENNIFER.
I go back to Blockbuster and explain what I got. They look all over the
place for JENNIFER---it's not there and this is the only copy of KEEP they
have. So---you haven't seen the LP in years---I still haven't seen the
stinkin' movie!
At this point, I'm afraid if I DO watch it, my VCR and TV will explode!!
WHAT KIND OF CURSE IS ON THIS THING????
Mike
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Subject: Re: 'Paris Edge' - Live 1986
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 04:52 PM 12/13/1997 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: Dave Brewer
>> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>>
>> I got this CDR with the simple cover that says 'Paris Edge Live-1986.'
>> No track listing, no nothing.
[..........]
>Well, I have 3 Tier Dream and 3 Tier Dream On... I'll see if I
can recall
>all the Paris '86 tracks on it. (I assume it's the track listing you
>want...)
[.........]
Appreciate the listing and the 'naming.' :-)
However, what I asking about is this 'new' CD-R simply titled
'Paris Edge Live -1986.'
My problem is that I don't really ever remember track titles. I
agree with Global Communications that, in e-music at least,
titles sometimes just confuse the issues. I prefer to just listen
to the music. :-)
I have the'3 Tier' series (pink and blue). The track times seem
to be different from this anonymous CD-R's. Of course, since they
are both audience recordings, they could be different. Makes me
wonder if the CD-R is just another recording of the Paris
Olympique concert. Probably is, although I will have to listen to
whole thing more carefully and then, again to the '3 Tier - Paris
Dreams' to see if they are the same concert. I was hoping someone
would already know.
The track times on the 'Paris Edge' CD-R are as follows:
Track 1: 19:01
Track 2: 13:20
Track 4: 22:02
Track 5: 19:30
Thanks for the reply, Dave. BTW, your stuff on 'Network 388' is lovely.
Regards,
Andrew
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Really-From: Dave Brewer
> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
> I got this CDR with the simple cover that says 'Paris Edge Live-1986.'
> No track listing, no nothing.
> Anyone know what this is? Or will I have to listen to 'Parisian
> Dreams' and '3 Tier Dream' all over again? There was only one
> concert in 1986 in Paris at Olympique (March 31).
> Sure would appreciate being illuminated.
Well, I have 3 Tier Dream and 3 Tier Dream On... I'll see if I can recall
all the Paris '86 tracks on it. (I assume it's the track listing you
want...)
Intro/Stratosfear 1986/Some unreleased stuff/Zen Garden (remixed)/Scuba
Scuba (remixed)/Some unreleased stuff/Dolphin Dance (extended)/Ride on the
Ray ('Vermilion' mix w/ guitar duo)/Going West/Yellowstone Park/Underwater
Twilight (put-in-a-blender remix)/Some unreleased stuff
Those 'remix' subtitles are my own concoctions. :-) The version of Ride
on the Ray reminds me of Franke's 'Vermilion Sands' with the sequences
that were brought to the forefront; and the version of Underwater
Twilight, well, sounds like it was put through a blender! :-) It took me
a while to recognize it when I first heard it! I wish I had titles for
the unreleased stuff, but I don't have a clue what they'd be called!
(tho the last track sure sounds like it could be an outtake from Legend
to me... anyone know for sure??) Also, I liked hearing the little melody
line from the Thief soundtrack that was put in during Ride on the Ray.
Dave B.
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Subject: Blockerbuster KEEP TAPE that Was Taped Over
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>Subject: The KEEP mystery
>Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:58:06
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Michael Fox
>
>For Steven:
>So as I said a day or so back, I rented THE KEEP to see what all the
>fuss is about. I pop it in the VCR and.......what the f*&k?????......
>it's some dumb CARRIE wannabe flick called JENNIFER!! I eject the tape
>----lesse...the box says THE KEEP.....the cassette itself says THE
>KEEP...but the damn movie is JENNIFER.
This happened to me, once, too: I rented SHOGUN ASSASSIN (which was
and is out of print) to re-tape it so I could replace the copy I had
that had been munched in a friend's VRC, and what do I see? A Mac Davis
holiday special. On *this* tape, however, there were ads, so you could
tell that some wit had taped it off television.
You see, it's like this: put a piece of tape over the hole on the
left of the videocassette, put the cassette in the machine, press record,
and ta-da: you've just taped over an official from-the-factory videotape.
Why is this done? It's sort of like the 'Why do dogs lick their balls?'
question: it's done because it can be done. ;)
Seriously, though, what probably happened is that somebody into
horror movies thought that if he wanted to get people to see his fave
horror flick (Jennifer, in this case), the best way would be to either
put it on the videotape that is most like it, or better, on a videotape
that is in the same genre that has a wider appeal than his so-called
'classic.'
>I go back to Blockbuster and explain what I got. They look all over the
>place for JENNIFER---it's not there and [. . .]
Figures. Blockbuster's not worth the sweat off my balls, or my
dog's balls, for that matter. Why the hell are you renting from them,
anyways--especially horror movies?!? First of all, Blockbuster kowtows
to the religious right (an oxymoron even funnier than 'moral majority')
and therefore doesn't carry NC-17 movies, regardless of the importance
of some of these films (porno will *never* label itself NC-17 because
NC-17 is a namby pampy politically-correct term for softcore Hollywood
fare that the censors deem too erotic for SPORTS ILLUSTRATED Swimsuit
Edition fans--and porno makers want to rent videos to millions of adults
rather than to a few hundred thousand 13-22 year olds). Anyways, I
digress. Getting back on track, Blockbuster censors their videos, so
that whenever you rent, say, STREET TRASH, TOXIC AVENGER, DEAD ALIVE,
HELLRAISER II, or RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD III, you can be sure that
you won't be seeing the same movie that folks renting from competitor
video rental chains are. I've noticed that Blockbuster has a budget
line of horror movies they sell, too, like HALLOWEEN. Nice to see that
they can have it both ways: undersell, but censor, too. :(
Okay, what I really meant to say is that it's pathetic that the
geniuses at Blockbuster couldn't figure out that a tape of JENNIFER had
not been switched with a tape of THE KEEP. What did they think? That
somebody was skillful enough to switch labels and spools of tape without
the VOID signs showing up where the store stickers were? Duh!
>[. . .] this is the only copy of KEEP they have. [. . .]
Okay, so they don't have it. Go to virtually *any* other video
store, and they'll have it. It's common--like PHANTASM and CARNIVAL OF
SOULS--every horror section of every store has a copy.
>[. . .] So---you haven't seen the LP in years---I still haven't seen
>the stinkin' movie!
The video is common: as I said, you can rent it anywhere, any time;
the record, though, is not common. Geddit?
>WHAT KIND OF CURSE IS ON THIS THING????
Dunno. Let's see if what was sold at recent TD shows actually
winds up having a wide release. ;)
-- Molasar's Hash-Mark Undies
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Hey Bill...try Rick's Movie Graphics ,Inc. P.O. Box 23709 Gainesville Florida
32602-3709.
or they have a storefront at 1202 South Main Street in Gainesville...I've
gotten quite a few things from them including ALL movie posters that TD had
something to do with. They ship same day, if it's in stock. If they don't have
it..they'll get it for you. Call 800 Information for a Free line... Let me
know if you find it........... David in Ventura
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Hello,
I have a few items to sell to interested people. They are all new
sealed CD's, Shipping included:
Aqua - Edgar Froese (picture disc) $15
Dreamtime CD Single, contains: $5
1. Dreamtime (vocal version) 3:40
2. The Blue Bridge 3:54
3. Treasure Of Innocence 3:37
4. Dreamtime (instrumental) 3:18
5. Purple Haze 2:57
Rockoon CD Single, contains: $5
1. Rockoon (Radio Edit) 4:16
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3. Interview 14:33 (w/Edgar Froese)
If interested E-mail privately, thanks for looking!
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Hello
Maybe some of you ever had a chance to meet fellow TD fans of other
nationalities. For me such chance does not come very often, and today I had
a precious opportunity to spend a few hours with a Polish fan Gregory Turek
who, as his job allows, came to Hong Kong and had a brief stay here before
heading off to Japan.
Gregory is working on an ocean container vessel as a radio officer. Like me
he was a member of the now defunct TDIFC. We started our contact some 7
years ago and the best we learnt of each other was via photos exchanged.
Today our tangerine dream of meeting each other came true, although it was
just 5 hours long!! We met at the clock tower in Tsim Sha Tsui where one is
offered the best view of our Victoria Harbour. Then I showed him around a
few record shops before escorting him to my place. He was then treated with
an exhibition of my humble, meagre TD collection. We listened to some music
and chatted. We both shared our TD experience as I went to some German
concerts and he went to the Warsaw concert. One very thing we shared was
that we met Edgar backstage on different occasions...
Five hours deducting transport time wasn't very long. Before seeing him off
I brought him to try some Chinese fast food. Then we waved each other
goodbye and I am expecting to see him again by the end of this month, when
he will come back and have a longer stay here.
Though this text appears off topic I hope it elicits good memories of you
guys meeting other fellow TD fans. For me meeting TD fans has always been
strange and interesting at once.
Jeffrey
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Really-From: Doug Pearson
This Sunday (12/14) there was a small reference to Tangerine Dream in
the Arts section of the Boston Globe newspaper. There was a couple of
pages on '1997's top 10 CDs' and one of the writers listing his choices
had this to say for his number 8 pick.....
8. Jean Michel Jarre, 'Oxygene, Parts 7-13' (Epic). Possibly the world's
most popular synth-pop king is a virtual unknown in the States. Pity. A
return to the atmospherics of 'Oxygene' - trance music up with the best
of Tangerine Dream.
-dep-
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>Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
>
>Maybe some of you ever had a chance to meet fellow TD fans of other
>nationalities. For me such chance does not come very often, and today I had
>a precious opportunity to spend a few hours with a Polish fan Gregory Turek
>who, as his job allows, came to Hong Kong and had a brief stay here before
>
>Though this text appears off topic I hope it elicits good memories of you
>guys meeting other fellow TD fans. For me meeting TD fans has always been
>strange and interesting at once.
Thanks Jeffrey for the message.
I was glad enough to meet 3 people from this td-mailing-list
(hi Jens, Lars & Vic) and it also strange (but great) to meet.
Especially the meeting with Vic.
Well you never know, maybe I'll meet you some day!
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels/fsp.htm
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Could someone please send me digest number 130 (from Saturday) as my mail
program had a problem with it.
Thanks,
Lawry
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> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
>
> >Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
> >
> >
> >Though this text appears off topic I hope it elicits good memories of
you
> >guys meeting other fellow TD fans. For me meeting TD fans has always
been
> >strange and interesting at once.
>
>
> Thanks Jeffrey for the message.
> I was glad enough to meet 3 people from this td-mailing-list
> (hi Jens, Lars & Vic) and it also strange (but great) to meet.
> Especially the meeting with Vic.
> Well you never know, maybe I'll meet you some day!
>
> Marcel
> Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels/fsp.htm
> Email :fsp@w...
>
>
Hi Marcel
Gregory was (not on this list) the second TD fan who visited me (the first
was Klaus Beschorner), and I met some interesting fans in Europe, the Dream
Collectors (Siegfried, Peter and Christian) in particular. I always
remember those moments as each TD fan sort of impresses you one way or
another...
Yes maybe we'll meet someday!! :-)
Jeffrey
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I gather this is another Dream MIxes style record? If so, is there any
duplication between this and disc 2 of the 2 cd Dream Mixes?
Thanks in advance,
Larry Smith
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>Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
>
>I gather this is another Dream MIxes style record?
Yes, itīs actually sub titled DM II.
>If so, is there any duplication between this and disc 2 of the 2 cd Dream
Mixes?
NO (IIRR)
Jens
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If someone wants to chat with an spanish TD fan, I'm in the #tadream chanel
conected to irc.arrakis.es (6664)
Everybody is wellcome
---Francisco
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Really-From: Antonio Nunes
I've just received David Law's answer to my e-mail about the Dream Mixes
Vol.2 DCD, but not the answer to this little mystery. According to him,
the information that it was a double CD came from Voice Print, but SMD
actually didn't receive the CDs so far. Later, Voice Print informed SMD
that the release date will be only mid next year!
Will this release be a double CD? Don't miss the next episode of our new
mystery! :-)
Antonio
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Really-From: TangerineC
Everything that's on the Book of Dreams Cd, is on Dream Roots, plus more. The
5th disc has 4 cool unreleased tracks on it. The best being the first and last
tracks of this disc. Definetly buy it!
In a message dated 97-12-13 07:38:14 EST, you write:
<< Also, I picked up the 2-CD Book Of Dreams for $6 at
a record show, and enjoy it immensely.
What's added in the 5-CD (or is it 4?) Dream Roots
box that might compel me to try to get a copy of that?
Thanks.
--Dave
>>
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This week we would like to hear comments on:
Klaus Kruger - any solo related releases
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Please make subject heading 'D:Kruger' when replying.
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I don't think this message is at all off topic.
>Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>>Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
>>
>>Maybe some of you ever had a chance to meet fellow TD fans of other
>>nationalities. For me such chance does not come very often, and today I had
>>a precious opportunity to spend a few hours with a Polish fan Gregory Turek
>>who, as his job allows, came to Hong Kong and had a brief stay here before
This Polish connection is strange. First off all, many TD concerts are
recorded in Poland. Then you meet a Polish fan in Hong Kong. I once met
Peter Stoeferle in Warsaw too, even though he's German. And I also met
personally a Polish fan from the TDIFC mailing list. His name is Jacek
Twardy and strange enough he lived in the town where my mother was born.
And he lived right next door to my uncle's business. And then there this
incident with Marcel... ;-)
>
>Thanks Jeffrey for the message.
>I was glad enough to meet 3 people from this td-mailing-list
>(hi Jens, Lars & Vic) and it also strange (but great) to meet.
>Especially the meeting with Vic.
>Well you never know, maybe I'll meet you some day!
I wish I could meet you in Hong Kong. Sounds like a fascinating place. If
you're ever in Atlanta, let me know. I also met a local fan from Atlanta,
Jim Moore, another BIG TD fan and cool guy.
Vic
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>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>However, what I asking about is this 'new' CD-R simply titled
>'Paris Edge Live -1986.'
>The track times on the 'Paris Edge' CD-R are as follows:
>
>Track 1: 19:01
>Track 2: 13:20
>Track 4: 22:02
>Track 5: 19:30
>
As I recall, most of this material on this CD-R is the same as on 3 Tier
Dream and 3 Tier Dream On bootlegs.
This CD-R has a strange cover and little (if any) information.
Vic
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Has anyone made a CDR of that fifth disc? If so, I would be interested
in purchasing it. Thanks
Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions
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Subject: Re: Is Dream Mixes VOL.2 a Double CD?
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>
> I've just received David Law's answer to my e-mail about the Dream Mixes
> Vol.2 DCD, but not the answer to this little mystery. According to him,
> the information that it was a double CD came from Voice Print, but SMD
> actually didn't receive the CDs so far. Later, Voice Print informed SMD
> that the release date will be only mid next year!
>
> Will this release be a double CD? Don't miss the next episode of our new
> mystery! :-)
>
> Antonio
I just ordered this 2-cd set from our import dist. yesterday. It states
it's a 2-cd set. I should have the shipment tomorrow. I'll inform
everyone if I get it.
Regards,
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At 08:18 PM 12/14/1997 -0500, Vic wrote:
>>However, what I asking about is this 'new' CD-R simply titled
>>'Paris Edge Live -1986.'
>
>>The track times on the 'Paris Edge' CD-R are as follows:
>>
>>Track 1: 19:01
>>Track 2: 13:20
>>Track 4: 22:02
>>Track 5: 19:30
>>
>
>As I recall, most of this material on this CD-R is the same as on 3 Tier
>Dream and 3 Tier Dream On bootlegs.
>
>This CD-R has a strange cover and little (if any) information.
>
>Vic
Yup, that's the one.:-(
Thanks for helping.
Andrew
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Hi there,
If you have the time, please have a look at the latest version of the
Bionaut web site. I've really been working on it, and I think it's
starting to come together. I have added frames, more images and info, and
a weird little audio thing. I would greatly appreciate your two cents on
the design, if you can spare it.
I am using Netscape 4.04 on a Mac. Everything works OK for me, but I am
wondering about Windows machines and IE, etc. I have tried to make it
compatible, but who knows how it works? There's nothing ultra-fancy going
on, but I'm trying to make it entertaining.
Thank you, Chris Green
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> Quoted From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
> Appreciate the listing and the 'naming.' :-)
> However, what I asking about is this 'new' CD-R simply titled
> 'Paris Edge Live -1986.'
Oops! Sorry! :-) I guess I shoulda added that I heard that Paris Edge
basically compressed the 3TD Paris recordings onto 1 disc. (as Vic
mentioned)
>
> My problem is that I don't really ever remember track titles. I
> agree with Global Communications that, in e-music at least,
> titles sometimes just confuse the issues. I prefer to just listen
> to the music. :-)
I definately prefer just the music, especially when there are titles like
'Specific Gravity of Smile' that I have no idea how to interpret them!
Some titles are good and memorable to me, and others are anonymous. (like
most of the titles on the Miracle Mile album, I can never remember them!)
[...]
> Thanks for the reply, Dave. BTW, your stuff on 'Network 388' is lovely.
>
Thanks for the plug, Andrew! I'm glad you like it. :-)
Dave B.
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
Hello
I have received today Dream mixes II and Ambient Monkeys
For those who doubted:
DREAM MIXES II is a ONE CD work.
Regards
--- Francisco
N.P. Dream Mixes II
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Subject: TD Remasters?
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I'm new to this list, so please excuse this question if it has been
covered already. Which Tangerine Dream cd's have now been reissued in
remastered versions? Can anyone give me the catalog #'s or point me to a
web site that would have this info?
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> Quoted from Earnie Church
>
> I'm new to this list, so please excuse this question if it has been
> covered already. Which Tangerine Dream cd's have now been reissued in
> remastered versions? Can anyone give me the catalog #'s or point me to a
> web site that would have this info?
>
Welcome to the list! :-)
I think everything they've put out prior to Optical Race (1988) has been
reissued and remastered by one record co. or another. (minus most of the
soundtracks) But as far as catalog numbers or sites, I'm not sure. I'm
pretty sure that the majority of those albums are available only in the
reissues nowadays, for better or worse. :-)
Dave B.
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Subject: Re: No Alternate Endings Mentioned in THE KEEP FAQ
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At 06:23 PM 11/20/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
>>Really-From: DJS
>>
>>TONS OF GARBAGE AND BOOKLOADS OF RUBBISH CUT...
The term is 'boatloads.'
Morgan
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>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
>Has anyone mentioned that the last track on the Keep is one they used to
>play on the '82 tour but never made it to Logos? On Logos, it would have
>come right after the first bridge.
Yes, this was mentioned. Actually, as far as I know, all of the Logos
concert music has now been released. Logotypes starts with a piece from The
Keep, then the 7 minute segment we all know and love. And then 22 minutes
which contain 2 segments--appearing on The Keep 1997, Choronzon, and Tangent.
I don't have The Keep 97, so I could be wrong. :)
Morgan
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At 01:29 PM 11/20/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: Dave Brewer
>
>> Quoted From: BDuke25@a...
>>
>> Could someone please give me a (brief would suffice) description of TD's
>> 'Paris Edge' and '3 Tier Dream' cd's?
>> Thank you
>>
>I'll give it a try! :-) I have 3 Tier Dream and 3 Tier Dream On, and
>Paris Edge was put together from both of them, if I'm not mistaken.
>
>The first disc of 3TD contains about 60 minutes of the performance in 1976
>at the Royal Albert Hall. It's an audience recording with pretty good
>sound quality. The 2nd disc of 3TD has almost 70 minutes of the performance
>in 1982 at the Hammersmith Odeon (I don't know if that is the correct
>venue, but it's the one credited). It's another audience recording of
>pretty good quality. The 3rd disc of 3TD contains about 35 minutes of
>the performance in 1986 at the Paris Olympia, and two extra tracks. The
>sound quality of the Paris music is very good, like a radio broadcast or
>soundboard recording. The bonus tracks are Speed and Das Maedchen...
>played at 33rpm off the Tatort single, and the sound isn't that great.
>3TD On contains another 40 minutes of the 1986 Paris show, and a demo mix
>of The Cliffs of Sydney as a bonus track. The entire disc is of very good
>sound quality.
These are great descriptions, but you missed one tiny detail (a detail that
lots of people who talk about boots forget)...
ARE THEY WORTH OWNING?!?!?!?!?!?!
Um, I have all of TD's legit releases from 1974-1984. The question is, is
there enough unreleased material on these discs to warrant paying mucho $$
for?
Morgan
feldon@p...
p.s. Sorry, I just get frustrated at seeing 'excellent quality, radio
quality, etc, etc.' My 2nd experience with bootlegs 'Ratikon' turned out to
be 30 minutes of White Eagle and noodling.
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At 01:30 PM 12/7/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
>I can't figure this man out. He seems to be a minor contributor
>to TD, yet... Also his comings and goings are unclear to me.
>Both he and Baumann need to quit trying to be rock-stars, IMHO. Yuck.
Repeat Repeat... need I say more? :P
>But he is probably one of the (if not THE) most accomplished
>musicians from the TD bunch. Flute, keyboard, clarinet, horns,
>synthesizers, he does them all well. Brilliantly, sometimes.
No kidding. I think the instrumentals on Cyclone truly amazed me. I wish
Joliffe had stayed on, sans vocals. Maybe that's what TD needs now. :)
>'Escape,' 'Warrior,' and 'Alien'
>are much to MY liking. I listen to them often. 'Zanzi' (last
>year's production) is also VERY good. Good thematic development,
>excellent rhythms, none of the 'atmospheric' nonsense that
>plagues other geniuses. :-)
As I mentioned in previous post, if you want to keep ending up in the New
Age bin, Edgar, keep up the exotic percussion and atmospheric stuff.
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At 12:15 PM 12/7/97 EST, you wrote:
>Really-From: Hammer1612
>
>I live in Oklahoma City and since Michael was originally from Enid, OK he
>performed here regularly. I heard the info about his death reported on the
>local evening news here last week and was stunned to hear about it. I was
>fortunate to see his most unorthodox style of play more than once and was
>continually amazed at the innovation Michael introduced into his music.
I am saddened to hear of any musician's death. I haven't heard any of
Michael Hedges music, but I have been surprised to see several times
stated, 'Michael Hedges had a unique way of playing guitar using both hands
to strike the notes.' Um, with all due respect, another musician who plays
like this is Stanley Jordan. He plays everything from classical to pop to
blues to jazz (often in one 20 minute medley). For those of you yearning to
hear one man create 2 1/2 layers of music without rerecording, this is one
of my favorite musicians and I've already enjoyed two of his concerts.
>After performing for many years as merely an instrumental artist, Michael
>gained the confidence to add his vocals to his music.
Stanley Jordan has stayed away from vocals--for the most part. Occasionally
while playing, he starts mumbling words. It's really quite interesting.
>Now, compare this with TD and their output over the years. I started
>listening when Stratosfear was a new release and followed them diligently
over
>the years. I dare say that some new fan just discovering the 'contemporary'
>TD (ie: Turn of the Tides) and then checking out something old like
>Stratosfear would be hard pressed to even think it was the same band.
My first album was Turn of the Tides. My second album was Electronic
Meditation. As you can imagine, it took a long time before was comfortable
buying anything pre-1986... A very unusual fear for me to think about now.
Now I consider the pre-1986 TD to be superior to the more modern stuff.
Ok, here's MY attempt to summarize what the 1986 'TD border' means to me:
#1 The difficulty of playing the pre-1986 instruments was probably a major
contributor to the 'layering' of the music. Pre-1986 TD seems to consist of
3 to 6 simple layers, with sometimes nothing more than 2-3 notes
oscillating. Post-1986 TD seems over-composed. However, on 1986+ equipment
you can play whatever you want. It's easy to say 'well, it would sound
nicer if we slap on one more layer.' The ubiquitous harpsichord, string
sounds, and all the other preset instruments don't help either. :)
#2 No longer is there a random or discordant element to the music. Sounds
great on paper, but in actuality, the best thing about the pre-1986 music
is that there are randomly placed elements throughout the music that DON'T
FIT. Those elements make us appreciate the positive 'synth/strings/guitar'
sounds. Post-1986 TD is nearly 100% 'positive energy', as Edgar himself
related to in his 1990 post-Rockoon interview. Examples of 'random,
discordant elements' making us look forward to the 'positive elements' are
scattered all the way from Phaedra to Livemiles. I think TD has lost its
'spookiness' factor too.
#3 The sound is too clean, too digital. The piano solo on Encore sounds
beautiful. The version on Tangents turns my stomach. Why? Because it sounds
like a little $50 Casio keyboard vs. the actual piano (or whatever) that
was used. Frankly, I *prefered* TD when the sound was a little muddy, when
the sounds were going through a fuzzbox and other such little devices that
added reverb and depth, and maybe even a little raspiness. Maybe I should
get present TD on LPs and scratch em up on purpose.
#4 TD used to take 20 minutes to fully explore a theme. Now, they do it in
3 minutes. What's the deal? TD used to take 8 bars before they would
introduce a new element, now they change the melody/rhythm/etc. every 2
measures. They used to play with -one- element at a time and keep the other
elements just looping, now they change the sound of -all- the elements all
the time.
#5 We can do without the exotic percussion and tribal chants. Edgar, if you
don't want to end up in the New Age bin, don't use these. Very simple drum
machines and drum loops kicked butt on Logos and Poland. Even the unusual
percussion introduced during the 1986 tour was welcome, but it just got out
of hand after that. Yes, Edgar, you're going overboard. :)
I still listen to post-1986 TD, because there are some gems. Miracle Mile
ST, (ducking out of tomato range) 220 Volt Live and Dream Mixes. I listened
to the 3 hour Webcast of the concert over RealAudio and enjoyed it (it
takes a little imagination to make a 3k/sec stream sound good --
professional audio is 150k/sec). But it's all starting to blend together.
It's impossible to confuse any of the 1974-1986 albums with each other, IMO.
I haven't heard Timesquare, Ambient Monkeys or The Keep yet.
Oasis is um... hrmm, Canyon Dreams 2. I don't dislike it, I do agree with
everyone's assessment of track 8. But it's still not far-reaching enough
into TD's history.
Morgan
feldon@p...
P.S. Edgar, we need another tour video. Let the cameras on stage again, and
this time let someone who knows how to compose a video have the reigns. I'm
available. :) The strobe horseshit on Three Phase was infuriating! :) (not
your fault, I know)
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At 07:33 PM 12/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>
>This week we would like to hear comments on:
>
>Klaus Kruger - any solo related releases
>----------------------------------------
Who? I thought it was Klaus Kreiger. :)
>
>Please make subject heading 'D:Kruger' when replying.
>
>
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At 03:15 PM 12/15/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: Dave Brewer
>
>> Quoted from Earnie Church
>>
>> I'm new to this list, so please excuse this question if it has been
>> covered already. Which Tangerine Dream cd's have now been reissued in
>> remastered versions? Can anyone give me the catalog #'s or point me to a
>> web site that would have this info?
I believe the SBM (super bitmapping) re-masters from the Virgin years
(1974-1983) have special numbering of TAND001-TAND0xx.
Morgan
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Subject: Re: Q. on The Keep CD; also a Q. on Dream Roots
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>
>Has anyone made a CDR of that fifth disc? If so, I would be interested
>in purchasing it. Thanks
Um, and how does illegally copying the 5th disc to a boxed set encourage TD
to make more music?
Every track in this boxed set is either remixed, or a bit rare (especially
Rarebird, if your Poland doesn't contain that, and all the variations of
Tyger and London and various other tracks)
Morgan
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> Really-From: Vic Rek
> >>Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
> >>
> >>Maybe some of you ever had a chance to meet fellow TD fans of other
> >>nationalities. For me such chance does not come very often, and today I
had
> >>a precious opportunity to spend a few hours with a Polish fan Gregory
Turek
> >>who, as his job allows, came to Hong Kong and had a brief stay here
before
>
> This Polish connection is strange. First off all, many TD concerts are
> recorded in Poland. Then you meet a Polish fan in Hong Kong. I once met
> Peter Stoeferle in Warsaw too, even though he's German. And I also met
> personally a Polish fan from the TDIFC mailing list. His name is Jacek
> Twardy and strange enough he lived in the town where my mother was born.
> And he lived right next door to my uncle's business. And then there this
> incident with Marcel... ;-)
>
This world is small indeed!
What I think particularly interesting and precious about these encounters,
is that fans do NOT meet where a concert takes place, in which case you
might see a lot of other people you already knew. Also meeting a fan whom
you never met and whom you know via letters to the most, and seeing him
come and go in just 5 hours, is for me an experience as strange as
listening to a fresh new TD record.
>
> I wish I could meet you in Hong Kong. Sounds like a fascinating place.
If
> you're ever in Atlanta, let me know. I also met a local fan from
Atlanta,
> Jim Moore, another BIG TD fan and cool guy.
>
> Vic
>
Yeah, maybe some day!! That will be interesting too. I' ve only been to the
West coast so if I ever venture to the State again it might be 'Destination
Atlanta', who knows.;-)
Jeffrey
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>Really-From: feldon@p...
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>>Really-From: Vic Rek
[...]
>>Klaus Kruger - any solo related releases
>>----------------------------------------
>Who? I thought it was Klaus Kreiger. :)
I know you are kidding, Morgan.
His name is Klaus Krieger, 'Krieger' is German for warrior.
Please make subject heading 'D:St. Claus Warrior' when replying.
Jens
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On Monday, December 15, 1997 1:46 PM, tadream mailing list
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> These are great descriptions, but you missed one tiny detail (a detail that
> lots of people who talk about boots forget)...
> ARE THEY WORTH OWNING?!?!?!?!?!?!
> Um, I have all of TD's legit releases from 1974-1984. The question is, is
> there enough unreleased material on these discs to warrant paying mucho $$
> for?
Disc One is worth owning if you like mid-70's improvisational TD
concerts.
Disc Two is 100% unreleased material (unless you have _Ratikon_
and _Dreaming_; then it's 66% unreleased material). None of
which appears on _Logos_ or _Logotypes_... (allright: some
of it was in the Soldier and some was in Risky Business... but
none of them were released on an album so GET OFF MY BACK!
*ahem* sorry...)
Disc Three is an improvement over the _Sonombulistic Imagery_
material in sound quality, but it's short. The extra tracks are
the original _Das Madchen_ pieces played at weird speeds.
Disc Four (Dream On!) is worth having for the guitar solo
('Vermillion Sands'?) and pre-album mix of 'Cliffs of Sydney'.
Makes you wonder where those other mixes might be hidden...
Like you, I'm very dissappointed to buy an album and find nothing
new in it (unless the sound quality is greatly improved), and I
was very happy with this purchase.
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>Really-From: Hammer1612
>>
>>'Michael Hedges had a unique way of playing guitar using both hands
>>to strike the notes.'
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At 05:38 PM 12/13/97 EST, you wrote:
On *this* tape, however, there were ads, so you could
>tell that some wit had taped it off television.
I'm pretty sure this was the video release--quality was good, it was HIFI
stereo, not taped off TV. I just can't fathom some idiot going to all the
trouble of taking the case apart, switching the videos, and not screwing up
the tamper labels--hell of a lot of work for ????
> You see, it's like this: put a piece of tape over the hole on the
>left of the videocassette,
Been there, done that many times.
> Figures. Blockbuster's not worth the sweat off my balls, or my
>dog's balls, for that matter. Why the hell are you renting from them,
>anyways--especially horror movies?!?
Cause they are right down the street, and THE KEEP is prbably the same cut
regardless where it is rented. Gross-out flix are not really of much
interest to me (even though I was good friends with Wes Craven in college)
so the issue of NC-17 rarely comes up.
> Okay, what I really meant to say is that it's pathetic that the
>geniuses at Blockbuster couldn't figure out that a tape of JENNIFER had
>not been switched with a tape of THE KEEP. What did they think? That
>somebody was skillful enough to switch labels and spools of tape without
>the VOID signs showing up where the store stickers were? Duh!
I don't think they were aware of it--according to their records, KEEP
hadn't been rented for a little over a year--it was an old stock item. And
apparently someone (WHY, is another question) WAS skillful enough to do
it--or an employee did it and had access to the tamper labels--this is my
guess.
>
> Okay, so they don't have it. Go to virtually *any* other video
>store, and they'll have it. It's common--like PHANTASM and CARNIVAL OF
>SOULS--every horror section of every store has a copy.
They're getting me another copy from another store--rent free. They also
found a copy of this great Japanese film called ANTARCTICA.
>
> The video is common: as I said, you can rent it anywhere, any time;
>the record, though, is not common. Geddit?
Steven--I've been on this list almost 2 years--I get it!
Mike, wearer of clean undies
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There is a half-hour radio show about the Mellotron on Radio 2
Wednesday 17th December (tomorrow !) at 9:00pm. Here's the
description from the BBC Web site :-
9:00pm
The Mellotron
Rick Wakeman tells the story of the forerunner to the synthesiser, an
instrument that provided weird noises in pop music in the late 60s and
70s and is now popular with bands like Oasis. With contributions from
Paul McCartney, Manfred Mann, Julian Cope and Jean-Michel Jarre.
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Subject: Ltd-edition Klaus Schulze/Ashra/Christopher Franke CD sets for sale!
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Hi everyone,
I have the following limited-edition CD sets for sale in absolutely perfect
condition, priced in UK pound sterling. Any interested parties should
contact me via the details below:
Klaus Schulze, 'Jubilee Edition': a 25-CD set (!) of unreleased studio and
live recordings spanning the last 25 years, released this summer to
celebrate Schulze's 50th birthday, no less. I'm looking for offers in the
region of Ģ325 for this one!
Klaus Schulze, 'Silver Edition': an autographed 1993 10-CD set of unlreased
mostly early 1990s studio and soundtrack recordings, although it also
includes 1975 and 1977 concert recordings. Offers in the region of Ģ125.
Ash Ra Tempel, 'The Private Tapes': a 1996 6-CD set of unreleased 1970s and
1980s recordings by Manuel Gottsching and his groups Ash Ra Tempel and
Ashra. Offers around Ģ100.
Christopher Franke, 5 limited-edition 'Babylon 5' 'episodic' CDs containing
music from the following single shows in its entire length: 'Severed
Dreams'; 'A Late Delivery From Avalon'; 'Walkabout'; 'Shadows Dancing' &
'Z'Ha'Dum'. Ģ80 ono for the set.
Best wishes and continued success with your future projects,
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Hi folks,
Two items on my mind:
1. Does anyone out there have a spare Logotypes boot for sale/trade?
2. Does anyone out there have any excellent sound quality recordings of
the 1997 TD Tour (original tapes preferably)?
If anyone can answer 'yes' to either of the above and is interested in
helping me out with a trade/sale please email me privately.
Regards,
Conrad Gibbons
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>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>He also played for Iggy Pop, and has a solo CD which I hear isn't that
>great. That's all I know about this Klaus!
I originally bought Klaus's solo album on vinyl and was quite enjoying it
until one day I noticed that it had said it was recorded at 45rpm. Played
at the 'proper' speed, it wasn't nearly as much fun. I've therefore
avoided the CD.
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At 07:06 PM 12/15/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
>
>>>Really-From: Hammer1612
>
>>>'Michael Hedges had a unique way of playing guitar using both hands
>>>to strike the notes.'
>
>
>
>Who recommended this album to you? I can't think of a worse way to discover
>TD.
Um, worse? Um, I loved it when I got it. I listened to it about 400 times.
Who recommended this to me? I watched the movie Miracle Mile, saw who did
the soundtrack and started hunting their other music. TOTT was all they had.
Now, of course, I have just about everything from 74-97. Frankly, Pre-1986
blows away post, and the 5 reasons I gave are my reasons for why this is true.
><#1 The difficulty of playing the pre-1986 instruments was probably a major
>
>What difficulty? By this time, Edgar, Chris and (then) Johannes
>(particularly) were accomplished, self-producing/engineering musicians.
Um, I don't think you're understanding. Because it was so difficult to use
the older equipment, there were restraits on how many layers and notes they
could add. So they went with simplicity.
>Even before the advent of MIDI and Chris's custom electronics, each member
>was able to perfectly complement the other players' parts; yes, this was a
>time before digital/analog workstations, yet they got the most they could
>out of every circuit.
Post-1986 TD sounds like everything + the kitchen sink and they use 90%
pre-programmed samples and drum sounds. vs. pre-1986 TD which was special
samples that TD commissioned to have recorded or they created themselves.
I think the fact that they had to work at it just to add a layer was a VERY
important factor in the change of the music.
I don't believe that the advent of composing systems and MIDI and the
change in TD's sound around 1986 are just coincidence. TD started doing 4
albums a year and the quality went to the WC.
><#3 The sound is too clean, too digital. The piano solo on Encore sounds
>sounds
>
>Absolutely. Korg piano sounds are competent yet still a little tinny. TD's
>relish of direct mastering and DDD mastering has cleaned every little
>glitch from their production sound, leading to a lack of atmosphere which
>was imperative to recordings like HYPERBOREA and LOGOS.
>
><#4 TD used to take 20 minutes to fully explore a theme. Now, they do it in
><3 minutes. What's the deal? TD used to take 8 bars before they would
>other
>
>Unfortunately, I can't think of any 'themes' from the 90s I would want to
>hear TD 'explore' for 20 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!
hehehe. Well, bits of Oasis and the last track on Goblin's Club have some
promising moments that I wish had been extended. As you have probably
guessed by now, I am not a 90's TD hater. Dream Mixes, 220 Volt and Miracle
Mile are in my top 15 of TD.
>out
>
>TR 808s and 909s are classics, but one thing I like very much about modern
>workstations is their high polyphony and onboard sequencers.
high polyphony! That's the problem too. Too many drumbeats, elements, etc.
Go back to basics! Just basic thumps, bangs, clicks, and other simple drum
sounds.
>Any musician
>would find himself 'loading' up on their tracks. However, 2/4, 4/4, and 6/4
>gets boring.
I like 4:4. hehehe What's funny is when it's 4:4 but one of the layers is
slower than the other layers and it keeps slipping in and out of sync and
that layer slowly becomes the foundation for the next 'segment.'
>TD needs to approach drum programming like a drumkit again,
>not a 'hired' ensemble of percussionists NOR an old drum machine.
Well, Jerome is tossing in all this tribal stuff and they're putting all
this strings, vocal/chorus samples and um, it sounds like Enya, Yawni, and
Deep Forest. I want the old drum sounds back. Just thumps, bangs, and
clicks. :)
>
>OASIS is superior to CANYON DREAMS. The latter is too new agey for my
>taste.
Oasis *is* superior to Canyon Dreams. By a long shot. I guess I didn't
emphasize this. But it's still doesn't reach far enough, IMO.
>and
>I'm
>
>Petition someone on this list to tape you 'Mojave Plan' performed with the
>Munich Philharmonic and some of the older videos. 1986-onward is too boring
>to watch, unless you're actually attending a concert. I don't know about
>the 'strobe horseshit,' but that 'Three Bikes in the Sky' video was barely
>stomached without a buildup of excess gastric acids. I other words, I
>almost barfed.
the 3 bikes video was pathetic, yes. And I do hope that a pre-1986 video
will fall in my lap one of these days.
Morgan
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>Really-From: feldon@p...
>At 07:33 PM 12/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>Really-From: Vic Rek
>>This week we would like to hear comments on:
>>
>>Klaus Kruger - any solo related releases
>>----------------------------------------
>
>Who? I thought it was Klaus Kreiger. :)
>
Wrong! I knew that someone would mention this. Anyway the 'u' in Kruger is
with an umlat. Yes, it's spelled Krieger on some TD issues, but it's not
correct. Maybe he temporarily changed his last name? If someone can prove
me wrong, please do. And yes, 'D:Krieger' or 'D:Kreiger', or 'D:Santa Klaus
K?' will be accepted :-)
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I paid $27.00 for TOURNADO about three months ago, and wasn't too
thrilled with the album, either (reminded me of buying DESTINATION
BERLIN on vinyl for $16.00 when it came out), but--just today, scouring
the used shops for the Miramar version of OASIS--I just came across a
mint promo of TOURNADO for just $6.00! Jeesh! Didn't the store know
that this is an import? In the very same bin, there's a copy of the TD
Disky import (you know, the comp. of PHAEDRA, half of RUBYCON, and the
STRATOSFEAR title track) for $10.00!
To answer your question: yeah, I bought it. It never hurts to have
some more trade bait.
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This guy has two albums. I've got one of them, and havent' played
it for about 6 years. It's on the Innovative Communications label and
has a long German name. It's really ininspired stuff; it's shocking to
note that the same person who did the drumming on CYCLONE and FORCE
MAJEURE, when left to his devices, makes stuff like this. (Then again,
look at Chris Franke, hee hee.)
I'd consult this list's archives via the WWW, but the links never
work whenever I try to go there.
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At 12:10 PM 12/15/97 -0600, Morgan wrote:
>I am saddened to hear of any musician's death. I haven't heard any of
>Michael Hedges music, but I have been surprised to see several times
>stated, 'Michael Hedges had a unique way of playing guitar using both hands
>to strike the notes.' Um, with all due respect, another musician who plays
>like this is Stanley Jordan.
Um, with all due respect, Stanley couldn't carry Hedges guitar case. Check
out some of Hedges music. The styles, you'll find, are very dissimilar.
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>Really-From: VictorRek
> Anyway the 'u' in Kruger is with an umlaut.
> Yes, it's spelled Krieger on some TD issues, but it's not
>correct. Maybe he temporarily changed his last name? If someone can prove
>me wrong, please do.
Vic, just check the 1st pic at
http://www.netstore.de/tadream/pictures/cat-private2.html
It shows Klaus on drums and is sub titled with '...Klaus Krieger...'.
Do you any serious source for the 'Kr(u)ger' spelling ?
Jens
THE KEEP was released in 1997, the official TD web site canīt be wrong.
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Really-From: 'Simon W. Hood'
For TD followers in the UK, there are a number of TD soundtrack films
being shown on terrestrial TV over the Christmas period. Viz:
'Shy People' -- Friday, 19th December @ 21:00 hrs on Channel 5
'Near Dark' -- Monday, 21st December @ 22:00 hrs on Channel 4
'Legend' -- Sunday, 28th December @ 18:50 hrs on BBC 2 *
'Deadly Care' -- Tuesday, 30th December @ 00:35 hrs on Channel 5
* I assume this is the TD version rather than the Jerry Goldsmith
one, as the BBC have shown it several times before.
Time to get your VCRs fired up and rolling...
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Subject: Re: D: Santa Klaus K? aka Krieger or wot?
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> Quoted From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
> Do you any serious source for the 'Kr(u)ger' spelling ?
>
Yeah, Klaus K. himself! :-) (at least according to Horizon Music)
According to an issue of _Beyond the Horizon_ (I can't recall which),
they said they got a hold of Klaus and got some update info on him. A
line of the article said something to the effect of 'Yes, this is the
correct spelling of his name, despite what liner notes may say...' Maybe
there's another subscriber here with that issue handy who could back me
up on this.
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My local (and only) music store got in a
couple copies of Oasis..
The one with the bonus track.. I guess..
Chia Maroon is 4:10 on the clock..
and it sounds like Jerome's drumming
kit (but a cool kit indeed) Dream Mixes style..
the album is pretty magical for me..
love the return to the sequencers and the
building up of the songs.
Maybe I'll post a review if anyone is interested..
=o')
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At 04:18 PM 12/16/97, you wrote:
>Really-From: Michael Fox
>
>At 12:10 PM 12/15/97 -0600, Morgan wrote:
>
>>I am saddened to hear of any musician's death. I haven't heard any of
>>Michael Hedges music, but I have been surprised to see several times
>>stated, 'Michael Hedges had a unique way of playing guitar using both hands
>>to strike the notes.' Um, with all due respect, another musician who plays
>>like this is Stanley Jordan.
>
>Um, with all due respect, Stanley couldn't carry Hedges guitar case. Check
>out some of Hedges music. The styles, you'll find, are very dissimilar.
hehe, just reporting what I know. I've never heard Hedges stuff.
Morgan
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Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.'
Yesterday morning there was an earthquake over here in Chile (don't
worry, the city most affected had only a degree 5 in the Mercalli
scale).
At the evening, the TV news reported this (epicenter, degrees in the
various cities, damage reports, etc.), and what music was being played
in the background? Livemiles II (Berlin concert), the 8:44->9:30 [CD
times] section. I couldn't think of any other background music more
appropiate.
Now that I think of it, I remember they reported a big flood four months
ago with Phaedra in background.
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>Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>>Really-From: VictorRek
>> Anyway the 'u' in Kruger is with an umlaut.
>> Yes, it's spelled Krieger on some TD issues, but it's not
>>correct. Maybe he temporarily changed his last name? If someone can prove
>>me wrong, please do.
>
>Vic, just check the 1st pic at
>
>http://www.netstore.de/tadream/pictures/cat-private2.html
>
>It shows Klaus on drums and is sub titled with '...Klaus Krieger...'.
>
>Do you any serious source for the 'Kr(u)ger' spelling ?
YES! All of his solo records have his name as Klaus Krüger. Some to mention
are:
The Collection CD, One is One Lp, and the long German title (which I don't
have) LP. So TD calls him Krieger, but I figure he would have the right name
on his solo release :-)
Vic
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<#1 The difficulty of playing the pre-1986 instruments was probably a
major
<>>
>>What difficulty? By this time, Edgar, Chris and (then) Johannes
>>(particularly) were accomplished, self-producing/engineering musicians.
>Um, I don't think you're understanding. Because it was so difficult to use
>the older equipment, there were restraits on how many layers and notes
they
>could add. So they went with simplicity.
Granted, it was the 'difficulty' with mellotrons, ARPs, old Prophets, in
terms of polyphony, maybe, but if TD had wanted, they could have
multittracked into the hard disk at the studio. Look at TD albums from
1970-76 (when they began to gain structure and multiple textures), then
regard Vangelis's ALBEDO 0.39, and how he got so much 'out of' and 'into'
his instuments. By the way, don't worry about my knowledge of synthesizers;
I bought my first one in 1987.
>>Even before the advent of MIDI and Chris's custom electronics, each
member
>>was able to perfectly complement the other players' parts; yes, this was
a
>>time before digital/analog workstations, yet they got the most they could
>>out of every circuit.
>Post-1986 TD sounds like everything + the kitchen sink and they use 90%
>pre-programmed samples and drum sounds. vs. pre-1986 TD which was special
>samples that TD commissioned to have recorded or they created themselves.
>I think the fact that they had to work at it just to add a layer was a
VERY
>important factor in the change of the music.
Undoubtedly....
>I don't believe that the advent of composing systems and MIDI and the
>change in TD's sound around 1986 are just coincidence. TD started doing 4
>albums a year and the quality went to the WC.
Of course not. MIDI stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface, and
keyboardists took it to like ants on a picnic table. Everything could be
inteconnected and recorded in perfect sync, and certain keyboards could be
used as 'masters' or 'controllers' of other synths. It's wonderful. I know
you know all of this stuff; I'm not being condescending.
>>Unfortunately, I can't think of any 'themes' from the 90s I would want to
>>hear TD 'explore' for 20 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!
>hehehe. Well, bits of Oasis and the last track on Goblin's Club have some
>promising moments that I wish had been extended.
Like what?!?!? 'Lamb with Radar Eyes'? No thanks. Now, on the flip-side,
OASIS is simply fantastic. and theire certain parts of that album which
could have been explored perhaps in the ten-, not twenty-, minute range...
>>Any musician
>>would find himself 'loading' up on their tracks. However, 2/4, 4/4, and
6/4
>>gets boring.
>I like 4:4.
Then you'll love Kraftwerk!!!!!!!!!
>hehehe What's funny is when it's 4:4 but one of the layers is
>slower than the other layers and it keeps slipping in and out of sync and
>that layer slowly becomes the foundation for the next 'segment.'
You won't like 4:4 as much if you ever get into prog-rock and listen to
songs performed in 9:8, 7:16, 16:8, 7:8, 7:4, etc. Very interesting stuff.
There are many talented players out there. By the way, how are those
protection bots doing?
EMan
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On Dec 16, 23:03, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: D: Santa Klaus K? aka Krieger or wot?
> Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Vic, just check the 1st pic at
>
> http://www.netstore.de/tadream/pictures/cat-private2.html
>
> It shows Klaus on drums and is sub titled with '...Klaus Krieger...'.
Hi Jens,
it's wrong, will correct this ASAP.
Indeed his name is Klaus Krueger with umlaut-u, but on covers
and CD inlets the names are somewhat varied to get rid of the
umlauts.
Best regards,
Stefan (or Stephan for non-Germans :-)
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Subject: Re: TD '90-'97
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Hi all,
Been thinking about this for a while and have to admit that, as far as I'm
concerned
TD's music is getting better!
I know all you people who have been 'into' TD from the start will probably
disagree
but I think the TD of the nineties is better than alot of the early stuff.
There are some very good pieces from the early days, but I always find them a
little
too minimalistic for prolonged listening. If all you want to do is mellow out
then
the
early stuff is fine. But for me, the later albums (Rockoon and after) offer
more-
'rewarding' music.
I am, I confess, an out and out Prog. Rock fan, but the emphasis has always been
towards
the rock. For me endless slow changes from one chord to another with some
effects
in the background with little sense or purpose just bores me after a while!
The same goes for some of the early Pink Floyd: the lyrical songs of albums like
'Relics'
and the alike are great, but some of the instrumentals ('Careful with that axe
Eugene' springs
to mind) are just tedious!
Then again, if you stand back a bit and look at TD's output over the nearly 30
years they've
been going, it's not impossible to see a trend starting off at the simple
'mellow'
end and
heading towards more complex sounds/arrangements etc. If you like that trend is
largely
irrelevant as far as TD are concerned-they are going in that direction. If you
choose to
go with them then fine-just don't complain that they're not producing endless
covers of
Phaedre or something (appologies if I've spelt it wrong! Not being a fan of the
album I'm
not sure.)!
As far as I'm concerned, yes there are bad 90's albums: 'Turn of the tides' for
example and
maybe 'Optical race', but on the whole its great-and getting better!
Just my thoughts..
KSC
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Thou call'st me madman, but I call thee blockhead.' - W. Blake
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Date: Wed Dec 17, 1997 12:19
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Subject: Claus Crieger
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Check out Edgar's 'Ages' CD and you will see that the K's have been
changed to C's. Hence: Claus Crieger!
Oscar Dean
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Subject: Re: TD Soundtrack films on UK TV
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>Really-From: 'Simon W. Hood'
>
>
>For TD followers in the UK, there are a number of TD soundtrack films
>being shown on terrestrial TV over the Christmas period. Viz:
>
>'Shy People' -- Friday, 19th December @ 21:00 hrs on Channel 5
>'Near Dark' -- Monday, 21st December @ 22:00 hrs on Channel 4
>'Legend' -- Sunday, 28th December @ 18:50 hrs on BBC 2 *
>'Deadly Care' -- Tuesday, 30th December @ 00:35 hrs on Channel 5
>
>* I assume this is the TD version rather than the Jerry Goldsmith
> one, as the BBC have shown it several times before.
>
Although they have also shown the Goldsmith one as well...
Cheers for the info...
Alan
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>Really-From: stefan@b... (Stefan Stapelberg)
>
>Indeed his name is Klaus Krueger with umlaut-u, but on covers
>and CD inlets the names are somewhat varied to get rid of the
>umlauts.
Aha, now (even) I believe it :)
Thanks for the information, Stefan and Vic
Yense
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Hello TaDreamers!
Can anybody forward information about the following Soundtracks that TD were
working on?
I was wondering if any formal announcement has been made as to their release
date, order availability, etc.
The Keep (soundtrack was due to be out on January, 15th via Virgin Records)
Luminous Visions (will be out on Sony Music Videos in late January '98)
Red Night, Forbidden and Red Heat (release dates were suppose to follow)
Journey on the Transsiberian Railway from Moscow to Novosebirsk (Release of
the soundtrack probably early February '98)
Also, has there been any news of the next contest (North Pole Contest).
Sorry if this has been discussed before, I have been a little out of the
loop.
Frank Stephen
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opyical race was an eighties album
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>
>Hi all,
>
>Been thinking about this for a while and have to admit that, as far as I'm
>concerned
>TD's music is getting better!
>
>I know all you people who have been 'into' TD from the start will probably
>disagree
>but I think the TD of the nineties is better than alot of the early stuff.
>
>There are some very good pieces from the early days, but I always find them
a
>little
>too minimalistic for prolonged listening. If all you want to do is mellow
out then
>the
>early stuff is fine. But for me, the later albums (Rockoon and after) offer
more-
>'rewarding' music.
>
>I am, I confess, an out and out Prog. Rock fan, but the emphasis has always
been
>towards
>the rock. For me endless slow changes from one chord to another with some
effects
>in the background with little sense or purpose just bores me after a while!
>
>The same goes for some of the early Pink Floyd: the lyrical songs of albums
like
>'Relics'
>and the alike are great, but some of the instrumentals ('Careful with that
axe
>Eugene' springs
>to mind) are just tedious!
>
>Then again, if you stand back a bit and look at TD's output over the nearly
30
>years they've
>been going, it's not impossible to see a trend starting off at the simple
'mellow'
>end and
>heading towards more complex sounds/arrangements etc. If you like that
trend is
>largely
>irrelevant as far as TD are concerned-they are going in that direction. If
you
>choose to
>go with them then fine-just don't complain that they're not producing
endless
>covers of
>Phaedre or something (appologies if I've spelt it wrong! Not being a fan of
the
>album I'm
>not sure.)!
>
>As far as I'm concerned, yes there are bad 90's albums: 'Turn of the tides'
for
>example and
>maybe 'Optical race', but on the whole its great-and getting better!
>
>Just my thoughts..
>
>KSC
>
>'I mock thee not, though I by thee am mocked:
>Thou call'st me madman, but I call thee blockhead.' - W. Blake
>
>
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In a message dated 97-12-16 04:19:50 EST, you write:
<< Kruger was one of the aspects of FORCE MAJUERE >>
I looked it up on my CD cover: the name really is Klaus Krieger and it's
Force Majeure. Both are real twisters to be sure. 8-) Dell
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In a message dated 97-12-16 19:37:28 EST, you write:
<< Maybe I'll post a review if anyone is interested.. >>
Yes, Greg, do. I love to read the reviews everyone posts here,
but...could you make it more subjective rather than a litany of what
instruments were used? I know you musicians understand all that stuff, but I
would like to hear how the music makes you feel, what comes to mind when you
hear it, etc. Just a suggestion. Thanks. Dell
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> << Maybe I'll post a review if anyone is interested.. >>
> Yes, Greg, do. I love to read the reviews everyone posts here,
> but...could you make it more subjective rather than a litany of what
> instruments were used? I know you musicians understand all that stuff,
but I
> would like to hear how the music makes you feel, what comes to mind when
you
> hear it, etc. Just a suggestion. Thanks. Dell
Well...
My CD was stolen!!! Can you believe this?!
Iet it sit among a few others.. and there it was..
lost..
Suspected ideas?
hmm..
Oasis' new album Tangerine Dream..
or Tangerine Dream's new album Oasis..
I bet it's sitt'n among the beer cans, dirt, and broken
glass of the side of the road about now..
I did hear this album about 20 times straght
and the most I made of it.. particularly Waterborne
was an odd connection between 220 Volt and
the Dream Mixes..
The Southwest, of course, comes to mind and it
continues the TD fascination of getting that
Southwest sound..
There is certainally a lot of energy and that odd
track, don't remember now, that was just one
orchestrated type instrument was really a
determent of what I have heard from before..
I love all the songs and particularly the return
to the developing style to each track.. as
was seen from the video, and the literary
work done for each track.. build-ups for each
song were needed.
I hope the other copy of Oasis is still at my
local record shop, as seeing myself spend
32 dollars on one CD is quite enough =)
Greg...
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I can't believe we're spending all this time debating the spelling of this
guys name.
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> Really-From: 'DAVID CLARKE'
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> opyical race was an eighties album
You mean 'Optical Race'?
OK sorry!
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>Really-From: DAVENTURA
>
>I can't believe we're spending all this time debating the spelling
>of this guys name.
>
Huh? I can well believe it. Remember all the other junk we've had to put up
with since October?
e.g. discussions on infantile 'humour', censorship, why Schulze is better than
TD, and now the spelling of Klaus Kruger...
Small wonder some of the long term members of this list have got totally fed
up and left, never to return...
Actually, if I owned a music business, I'd put the OASIS album in with the
other OASIS section, especially at this time of the year, when unsuspecting
parents buy their kiddies the latest album, Tangerine Dream by Oasis ...
BTW, welcome back Grant, or was that just a one off?
TaDream on,
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Did anyone hear Edgar on BBC Radio 2 last night talking about the Mellotron?
He was there with Jarre talking about the fact that he was supposed to play
the mellotron at a gig in 1975 at the Albert Hall. However, because the
Mellotron is basically samples on spring loaded tapes, the musicians union
demanded payment to the people that had recorded the original sounds. It was
interesting, although my recording of the program screwed up completely so I
can't transcribe/copy it. Sorry.
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No word yet, check the Voiceprint sight every now and then... If the
contest is anything like the last one, it will require lots of
cooperation... The preliminary info said something about a vault and
seven questions... There may also be some mathematical stuff involved (The
Easter Island people will certainly know what I mean)! 8^D
MJ
NP: Klaus Schulze Dosburg Online 'The Art of Sequencing' (Excellent)
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In a message dated 97-12-18 08:17:22 EST, you write:
<< e.g. discussions on infantile 'humour', censorship, why Schulze is better
than
TD, and now the spelling of Klaus Kruger... >>
its been a great year....
tom w
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> Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
>
>
> > << Maybe I'll post a review if anyone is interested.. >>
> > Yes, Greg, do. I love to read the reviews everyone posts here,
> > but...could you make it more subjective rather than a litany of what
> > instruments were used? I know you musicians understand all that stuff,
> but I
> > would like to hear how the music makes you feel, what comes to mind
when
> you
> > hear it, etc. Just a suggestion. Thanks. Dell
>
> Well...
> My CD was stolen!!! Can you believe this?!
> Iet it sit among a few others.. and there it was..
> lost..
I just bought my second version of 'Oasis' and
I'll post a review that Dell suggested.
'Chistmas presents? This is Christmas? Well yes,
I did have money, but that had to go to something
very very important! Oh no! It's not all gone to music!
I'm buying a product from which stem many positivities!
Greg H...
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Waterborne and Flashflood on Oasis are the best TD I've heard since Dream
Mixes. What more can I say? Jerome, keep sequencing!
And um, why did you record someone using steel wool in a sink for track 8?
Morgan
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At 02:09 PM 12/18/97 -0000, you wrote:
>He was there with Jarre talking about the fact that he was supposed to play
>the mellotron at a gig in 1975 at the Albert Hall. However, because the
>Mellotron is basically samples on spring loaded tapes, the musicians union
>demanded payment to the people that had recorded the original sounds.
I was in a band back around 1973--we used a mellotron on some things
(playing clubs in the US) and I also recall some local musician union folks
giving us a bunch of shit about using it. Most of the time, after we showed
it to them, they backed off--some of them (mostly older fogeys) thought it
was the 'end' of music. I DO remember paying some extra $$ a few times,
though.
Mike
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Subject: Edgar Froese, Jarre & Wakeman re the Mellotron
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>Edgar on the radio
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:09:24 -0000
>Really-From: 'Colin Neal'
>
>Did anyone hear Edgar on BBC Radio 2 last night talking about the
>Mellotron?
Well, our lost compatriot, Grant Middleton did. He posted some of
what was said to the GoldTri list.
>[. . .] It was interesting, although my recording of the program
>screwed up completely so I can't transcribe/copy it. Sorry.
Here's what was on the GoldTri list (good to see that they're good
for more than just endless bullshit about Schulze and Steve Roach):
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From: Grant Middleton
Subject: [goldtri] Interviews from Mellotron Show
To: GoldTri Mailing List
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I've transcribed some electronic musician interviews from a BBC
Radio 2 show on December 17th at 9:00 pm about the Mellotron. The
show was hosted by Rick Wakeman. I've tried to transcribe things
as closely as possible, so some of the language used will sound
odd.
Jarre:
'They were probably the craziest instrument you could imagine. I mean,
the Mellotron, when you think of it, when you think of what it is - I
mean, somebody thought to replace the string of a piano by a tape, and
to replace the hammer by a tape-head. When you play a key, the tape-
head, instead of the hammer, plays the tape. And then it was the first
sampler ever and you could play chords and you could play orchestras !
It was the dream of any musicians of that time to be able for a pianist
to play orchestra, full orchestra.'
Wakeman:
'Ah yes, Space Oddity. Everyone seems to think I got paid a hundred
quid for that session. Sadly, far from the truth - nine pound's closer.
What had happened was Tony Visconti had done a string arrangement, and
it tended to make Space Oddity sound, I know this is a bit of a
contradiction in terms, a bit like a 'song'. They wanted to get it
a bit more harsh and more rounded, so the idea was for me to come
in and do Mellotron beside the strings. What happened in the end was
the strings came off and we just double tracked this...' [plays 'Tron
passage from Space Oddity]
Froese:
'We put our headsets on one ear and then we were listening to the tone
of the Mellotron while already started playing our stuff. Then by
listening to the 440 Hz out of the oscillator, we were tuning the
Mellotron against it. So it was the only way of doing it, and that had
to be done about ten times during the gig of two and a half hours.
Looking back to those days, that sort of adventurous fear, not knowing
if you will overcome a good, a bad concert, out of tune concert, or
whatever. Today everything, it's much better tuned, it's nearly
perfect, but it's not having a wild ride through the jungle any
more.'
(440 Hz is the frequency of middle 'A', the common reference point
for orchestral instruments to tune up to.)
Froese:
'A couple of hours prior to the start of the gig [Albert Hall '75],
someone came along and said 'They [the Musicians' Union] are asking
for a couple of thousand pounds, for you're using an orchestra. You
are not using THEM, you are using your bloody keys, here. THAT's
an orchestra.' So there was a bit of a fight going on backstage
and so we had to pay something, that night.'
Jarre:
(Apologies in advance for spelling mistakes !)
'After having explored various ways in the '80s of, with digital
instruments and computers and all that, I actually thought that
these instruments may well become the Stadavarius of electronic
music for the future. Classical musicians like Yhudi Menyuhin,
for instance, they are not using a violin made in Japan with all
the modern technology, they are still searching an instrument
that has been built in the 17th century. It proves that time is
not necessarily linked with craftsmanship that you can reach
with one stage. With progress you are sometimes gaining things
but you are also losing things. Such an instrument couldn't be
done any more.'
There was no interview with Tony Banks, which surprised me, as he
was responsible for most of my fave Mellotron moments (Fountain
of Salmacis, Seven Stones, Silent Sorrow in Empty Boats, etc.)
Perhaps most interesting was the revelation that the Mellotron was
originally aimed at being a 'one-man-band' machine for social clubs
and pubs - a Wurlitzer organ with built-in drum patterns, flamenco
guitar licks and corny punctuations.
Grant
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Subject: Re: Kruger and all the rest
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Really-From: 'Ed Wilson'
I just subscribed to the mailing list and all I was getting was the
'spelling' contest. I am thinking, if this is a mailing list, I'd rather
sit round listening to Pergamon and watch the drapes fade!
Anyway, I like the longer pieces w/their progression. Also like the more
ambient sounds, like the transitions on Tournament, marvelous!!
ED
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Subject: Whoops
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Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Guilty as Charged'
Folks,
This is something I just sent the GoldTri list. It was not that
list that had the Schulze/Roach tedium on it. It was the Space Music
list. I apologize.
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On Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:55:43 +0100 Jens Peschke said:
>Steven Feldman wrote:
>
>Wot ? There=B4s only ONE other V=E4th CD: 'The Robot...' !!
>He released two V=E4th CDs and a soundtrack 'Kalter Finger'
>together with Mr. B. Zet.
I had another B-Zet CD with Vaeth on it, and a CD called ELECTRONIC
ACUPUNCTURE with him on it, too. I got them both in $2 bins. I sold
them. Didn't like either.
>And you can=B4t compare ANY PART OF 'accident' with Vangelis.
>Accident is influenced by Dead can Dance, Eno & Techno.
Eno?!? Huh?!? I've got most of Eno's albums, and I see no
influence unless *all* ambient music is Eno-esque by definition.
>Another thing I=B4ve noticed was your cross mailing to the tadream list:
>
>>Here's what was on the GoldTri list (good to see that they're good
>>for more than just endless bullshit about Schulze and Steve Roach):
>
>There was neither endless bullshit about Schulze nor Roach.
>You=B4ve mixed the lists, or ? Roach wasn=B4t even mentioned here.
>
>Thanks for your positive advert !
Er . . . to be honest, I don't too much attention to what is usually
posted to GoldTri and the Space Music lists, so I tend to confuse them.
So, I'm guilty of making a mistake, there, I guess. Sorry.
>I guess you=B4ve lost contact to earth or what else happened to you ?
>
>> so I wouldn't go near them -- sort of like
>>all of FSOL's output outside of LIFEFORMS. ;)
>
>Oh, well. Never heard a better statement in lifetime.
I'm hardly the only one to make this sweeping blanket statement.
>Jens (Keeping the fingers crossed for you, Steven)
I just had a root canal. My gout has been acting up. My back is
sore again. Bitch bitch moan moan. ;)
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Date: Fri Dec 19, 1997 1:29
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Subject: Re: Waterborne
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In a message dated 97-12-18 00:30:30 EST, you write:
<< Waterborne
was an odd connection between 220 Volt and
the Dream Mixes.. >>
Good observation, Greg. It does seem to rev up with the same kind of
instrumentation. However, I felt it sounded a lot like Little Red Roadster on
Rockoon also. Don't you just love the way that little stream trickles along at
first, getting stronger as it begins to fall down through the elevations of
the mesas until at last it explodes over a small rocky cliff and then begins
to spread out and meander into the desert area where the hot sun finally
reduces it back to nothingness.
I'm sorry your CD was stolen, but look at the bright side; maybe it's not
along the side of the road; maybe you've converted another person to TD
whereupon he/she will continue on to become a productive member of society,
get a job, to earn money to buy more CD's. ;-) Dell
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Well, I just picked up Tournado. It's well produced. However, I feel
like it is yet _another_ compilation with a little bit of audience
cheering thrown in. For those who like the new TD, I'm sure you'll enjoy
this. As for me, I can't see me playing it very often.
Larry
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
RPM came through for me as well; I received my copies of Tournado, Time
Square and Ambient Monkeys yesterday. Having had the chance to listen to
them once each, my preliminary opinions are mostly positive, but with
qualifications:
TOURNADO: A great recording, but as everyone else has pointed out, not a
great deal is added to these songs, which are already available on other
TD albums. Of course, I knew this before I ordered it, but for some
reason I couldn't resist the urge to get it anyway. My favourite
improvement are the live drums on Touchwood, which have a much more
satisfying boom. A fascinating counterpoint to earlier live albums like
Ricochet and Pergamon....technically the music on Tournado is flawless but
that very tightness robs it of the vitality that makes a live show
appealing. And of course you have to deal with songs from Rockoon, Turn
of the Tides and Goblin's Club, not exactly high points of the band's
career.
TIME SQUARE: Almost closer to Oasis than the original Dream Mixes...less
emphasis on the beats, more on the sequences and moods. This makes it a
more satisfying suite of music to listen to. Amusingly, a fellow here in
the office mistook it for Orbital when I played it. And I got a laugh
from the Bowie-esque Drum n' Bass snippet in Digital Sister. This would
have been a ground-breaking album six or seven years ago...now it's just a
good album. It show that the band is still vital, and has a clear
direction. Now if only they'd follow it! Goblin's Club was not what I
expected after the first Dream Mixes. I want to listen to it a second
time before making a real judgement, *but* when I did like it right away,
which is more than I can say for each of their studio albums since
Melrose. This is one you can play for non-fans!
AMBIENT MONKEYS: At last, Tangerine Dream makes their 'Future Sound of
London' album. I quite like this one, actually. The bird, monkey and
surf noises seemed trite to me at first, but on the other hand, what it
all does is give this album something which most of the bands' 90s output
has lacked: atmosphere and consistency. While it still tends to meander
through several ideas, never allowing them to get fully explored, the
patina of jungle noise over top of everything brings it all together.
This is the most experimental sounding thing I've heard from the band in
ages...but once again it arrives a few years too late to make the world
sit up and take notice. Still, if they could marry this kind of deep
production and attention to consistency with Dream Mixes style rhythm and
attitude, we would have a marvelous album indeed.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X
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Really-From: 'J. Munnshe'
Hello!
I've interviewed to Robert Moog. As you know, he developed the Moog
synthesizers, used by Tangerine Dream and many electronic artists. I've
published the interview in Amazing Sounds. You can read it at:
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>Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
>TOURNADO: A great recording, but as everyone else has pointed out, not a
>great deal is added to these songs, which are already available on other
>TD albums. Of course, I knew this before I ordered it, but for some
>reason I couldn't resist the urge to get it anyway. My favourite
>improvement are the live drums on Touchwood, which have a much more
>satisfying boom. A fascinating counterpoint to earlier live albums like
>Ricochet and Pergamon....technically the music on Tournado is flawless but
>that very tightness robs it of the vitality that makes a live show
>appealing. And of course you have to deal with songs from Rockoon, Turn
>of the Tides and Goblin's Club, not exactly high points of the band's
>career.
I have nothing against the above opinion and statements, but it the straw that
breaks this camel's back. This is not directed to Sean in particular, but to
all Tournado knockers.
Over the years I have been on this list we often return to the topic of live
albums, and one of the main points of discussion is the 'liveness' of them. We
have :
Ricochet - spliced together from some 40 hours or so of albums
Encore - taken from live American sources and (according to Mr. Middleton in
particular) some other piece that reminds me of a dinosaur (someone help me
with the name here, please)
Logos - from a single show but with bits missing
Poland - from a single, very long and difficult show which was 'spliced' to
remove the difficulties
Pergamon - considerably re-recorded with some changes not totally reflecting
the actual concert
Livemiles - completely reconstructed between live performaces and the release
220Volt Live - pretty faithful to the actual concert, although certain
(previously released) music is played at the concert has not been included
and finally Tournado - a 100% complete faithful reproduction of the second set
of this year's European tour
It strikes me as odd that on the one hand a number of people complain about the
previous live albums being not live or played around with, etc., whlst on the
other hand we have more people complaining that when TD do actually release
their first ever really, really live album, it is too like the original songs
and they already have them all, etc.
This confuses me. If you want a realistic reflection of what TD play on tour
then this is what you get : they play from their back catalogue. All of their
previous live albums (perhaps with the exception of Ricochet which I haven't
heard live tapes of) also have music from their back catalogue in them.
They take the back catalogue out - people complain about the 'live' album being
mucked about with.
They leave the back catalogue in - people complain about already owning all the
material.
What the heck are the guys supposed to do?
And before anyone says 'Make a live show with all new material and release
that!' I think we all know that that is not going to happen. So, do we want TD
to stop producing live albums?
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Subject: Radio 2 and the Mellotron
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Really-From: Stephen Yensen
>Did anyone hear Edgar on BBC Radio 2 last night talking
>about the Mellotron?
I forgot! AAARRRGGGHHH!!!
Erm, can anyone make me a copy of the programme? If you want a blank tape
then please let me know and I'll send you one.
BTW, Wakeman, Edgar and Jarre on RADIO 2? Now I really do feel old!
A very merry Christmas and a happy New Year to everyone. We may have our
differences of opinion, but TD is the link that binds us all together.
Cheers from Nottingham.
Steve.
NP: Wakeman's solo bit on YESSONGS.
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Glad to see we got over the Kruger-Kreiger debate...Sitting here listening to
Logos and reminiscing the old days. The late 70's..early 80's TD is so far
superior to anything they're releasing now. I'm sorry, but Force Majeure and
Tangram just get me into a space of infinite beauty and free me to direct the
majestic soundtrack to the movie that's playing in my mind. Still waiting for
a good offer on my 86 Tour Jacket....
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Anybody agree that Rick Wakeman is a more accomplished musician than any TD
member?...I believe that Steve Howe is one of the greatest guitarist alive.
What about Keith Emerson? I really like Christoph Franke's Pacific Coast
Highway...Babylon 5 the series does nothing for me. I prefer the theme song to
Movie Magic. Stirring it up a bit....David
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Really-From: Colin Knowles
> Really-From: DAVENTURA
>
> Anybody agree that Rick Wakeman is a more accomplished musician than any TD
> member?...I believe that Steve Howe is one of the greatest guitarist alive.
> What about Keith Emerson? I really like Christoph Franke's Pacific Coast
> Highway...Babylon 5 the series does nothing for me. I prefer the theme song to
> Movie Magic. Stirring it up a bit....David
Rick Wakeman is a more accomplished 'virtuoso' keyboard player. This means that
he can do scale runs better etc. Some of his solo stuff is tedium in the utmost,
IMO
(couple of exceptions)- the Frosses are better composers in my view.
Steve Howe is a great classical quitarist (better than John Williams?)- don't
know
if
he plays electric that well.
Always thought Brain May was a good electric guitarist-some of his Queen stuff
is
brilliant!
As for Keith Emerson...no one greater!
My problem with soundtracks (TD's as well as others) is that they may sound
great
with the video footage they were written for, but as albums they don't normally
(gross
generalisation I'm sure!) 'flow'. I usually find myself trying to remember the
film at the
same time-not a good idea if you're bombing down the fast lane!
Best regards for the festive season everyone..I'm off now 'till beginning of Jan
so
won't be posting for a while (try to restrain your happiness! ;-) )
KSC
(off to annoy my parents with TD best album to date... Goblins' Club!)
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Really-From: DAVENTURA
>
> Glad to see we got over the Kruger-Kreiger debate...Sitting here listening to
> Logos and reminiscing the old days. The late 70's..early 80's TD is so far
> superior to anything they're releasing now. I'm sorry, but Force Majeure and
> Tangram just get me into a space of infinite beauty and free me to direct the
> majestic soundtrack to the movie that's playing in my mind. Still waiting for
We'll have to agree to disagree no that one then! ;-)
KSC
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** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... :
>Anybody agree that Rick Wakeman is a more accomplished musician than any TD
>member?...I believe that Steve Howe is one of the greatest guitarist alive.
He's a more accomplished keyboard player for sure although you must
not confuse speed and pure technical ability with musicianship. There
are such things as 'feel', 'emotion' and 'taste' which are more
important to some.
It can be just as important to know which notes NOT TO PLAY.
Unlike many sports, fastest does not always equal best.
Also because someone is a technically proficient keyboard player does
not, of itself, guarantee that the person has any feel for synthesis
whatsoever - it's a totally different discipline.
Having said this, I *would* say Rick is a superb Minimoog player, just
to add my usual level of confusion....
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On Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:58:15 +0000 (GMT) tadream mailing
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> Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182
>
> Encore - taken from live American sources and (according to Mr. Middleton in
> particular) some other piece that reminds me of a dinosaur (someone help me
> with the name here, please)
The name you are looking for is 'Oedipus Tyrannos'. In the
mid-70s, TD scored a sountrack for an adaptation of the
Ancient Greek play of the same name, but apparently neither
the film (or whatever it was meant to be) or the score were
ever released. Grant is right, though, the bits on 'encore'
that he mentions sound very different from the rest. I only
wonder how he found out that they were in fact from
'Oedipus'.
Dennis
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Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
To fellow collectors:
Is the music on the _Bicycle Race_ the same as the music on the
_In der Garten Pharoas_ CD? Or is there material on it that does
not appear on the CD? (i.e. would having both be redundant?)
Thanks for any help...
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>Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
>Is the music on the _Bicycle Race_ the same as the music on the
>_In der Garten Pharoas_ CD? Or is there material on it that does
>not appear on the CD? (i.e. would having both be redundant?)
well, there's the LP:
11.6.90 Bristol (Colston Hall) 47 min LP (Bicycle Race, Sequences I-VI)
then there's the CD:
11.6.90 Bristol (Colston Hall) 74 min CD (In den Gaerten
Pharaos; includes Sequences I-IV from Bicycle Race)
--> The missing Sequences V-VI from BR are about 20 minutes, so to answer
you question, you'd be missing 20 minutes of material
then there's the live tape which comes from a digital master source and
contains some material not available on either:
11.6.90 Bristol (Colston Hall) 110 min. (Au) MC
of course, Persistence of Vision (if it ever appears) is supposed to have a
10 minute encore from this show as well...
lars
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> I have nothing against the above opinion and statements, but it the straw that
> breaks this camel's back. This is not directed to Sean in particular, but to
> all Tournado knockers.
No offense was taken. I don't think I explained my crticism of Tournado
very well, however. I *do* think that the band's decision to release the
whole second set, unedited and unaltered was fantastic. My fault is more
with the fact that there's nothing really new or compelling about the
versions here, vis a vis the original albums. There doesn't seem to be
much point of releasing a live album unless it offers something different
from what you already own.
While previous TD live albums may not have been faithful reproductions of
the shows they document, they offered new music at least. This is so much
more important today, now that there isn't as much room for improvisation
or the unexpected. The music is so technically perfect that I don't get
the sensation of a *performance* happening. I loved the addition of live
drums, but even these weren't used to their full potential, having to play
second-fiddle to the DAT machine. I think TD could make concerts more
interesting by either beefing up the human performance aspect (perhaps by
stripping down the sound a bit and playing more of it my hand), or else
expanding and twiddling with the songs more, instead of just reproducing
them faithfully.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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Subject: holiday
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I'll be out of touch until the new year. I hope I don't miss anything
exciting. I wish everyone a good holiday!
NP: Is Anybody Out There Sampler (Get it!)
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(donning fireproof underwear)
To hell with anyone who bitches about TD not putting out exact recordings
of their concerts. :)
My frustration with TD is not that they edit their 'live releases'
(sometimes removing major glitches, sometimes avoiding copyright issues),
but that there is still unreleased music out there.
Morgan
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Really-From: Vic Rek
I just received this double CD from Hilmar titled 'Krautrock'
The is a double CD released by Polygram Germany in 1997.
Cat# 553 367-2
It is an excellent compilation CD featuring two tracks by TD:
1. Journey Through a Burning Brain
2. Fly and Collision of Comas Sola
Also included are the famous Krautrock groups:
Amon Duul II
Cosmic Jokers (w/Klaus Schulze)
Can
Guru Guru
Cluster
Popol Vuh
T. Leary and Ash Ra Tempel
Faust
Embryo
Harmonia
A great stocking stuffer with somewhat comic packaging.
Thought you'd like to know...
Vic
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Subject: Re: Questions about Bristol 1990
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
>
> To fellow collectors:
>
> Is the music on the _Bicycle Race_ the same as the music on the
> _In der Garten Pharoas_ CD? Or is there material on it that does
> not appear on the CD? (i.e. would having both be redundant?)
>
In den Garten Pharaos and Bicycle race were in it's original form two LP
bootlegs
containing music from the Bristol 90 gig. The CD has both in one( Really the CD
is
titled IN DEN GARTEN PHARAOS/BICICLE RACE) so bicycle race LP is redundant,
musically speaking, if you have the CD. I don't know if the LP has photos or
documents the CD doesn't have.
---Francisco
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In a message dated 97-12-19 04:12:11 EST, you write:
<<
Encore - taken from live American sources and (according to Mr. Middleton in
particular) some other piece that reminds me of a dinosaur (someone help me
with the name here, please)
>>
Through Metamorphic Rocks perhaps? Dell
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In a message dated 97-12-19 05:13:09 EST, you write:
<<
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Really-From: DAVENTURA
Glad to see we got over the Kruger-Kreiger debate...Sitting here listening to
Logos and reminiscing the old days. The late 70's..early 80's TD is so far
superior to anything they're releasing now. I'm sorry, but Force Majeure and
Tangram just get me into a space of infinite beauty and free me to direct the
majestic soundtrack to the movie that's playing in my mind. >>
Although I, too, love the earlier long playing themes, I can't agree
totally with you here, Dave. You are discounting Canyon Dreams and Live Miles
(latter 80's) which are two of my favorites and the scenes they create in my
mind are very distinct and separate even from the video. Although the pieces
in Goblin's Club are shorter, they still conjure images; for example, Rising
Haul in Silence: I envision an olden times village whose main export is brick.
A few miles away there is a factory being built. The carts are laden, the
horses hitched, all goes well when morning is cool and the road is level, but
they have a hill to climb. Poor dumb animals suffer in silence except for the
heavy breathing and squeals of anguish as they throw their shoulders into the
load. The eagle screams above their heads when they reach the top. Not much
rest when they reach their destination. They have to do it all again tomorrow.
I guess what I'm saying is try not to dwell on the past. Tangerine Dream
sure isn't. Dell
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My feelings exactly about the soundtracks. The music NEEDS the movie
because on its own the music doesn't 'flow' IMHO. For example, the other
night I listened to Three O'clock High soundtrack which has 22 cuts,
about 12 of those are under 2 minutes in length and about half of those
12 are under 1 minute. It just doesn't flow! I have the same problem with
most other soundtracks, even with the longer cuts. An idea gets started,
then is suddenly cut off. When watching the movie, however, it's
enjoyable to listen to and enhances the scenes. I rarely buy soundtracks
anymore for this reason. I've traded my C. Franke soundtracks because it
was becoming too expensive to keep up with them. Some day I'll probably
unload my TD soundtracks too since I don't listen to those either.
They've put out so many good studio and live albums, there isn't any time
to listen to their soundtracks.
Larry
>My problem with soundtracks (TD's as well as others) is that they may
>sound great
>with the video footage they were written for, but as albums they don't
>normally
>(gross
>generalisation I'm sure!) 'flow'. I usually find myself trying to
>remember the
>film at the
>same time-not a good idea if you're bombing down the fast lane!
>
>Best regards for the festive season everyone..I'm off now 'till
>beginning of Jan
>so
>won't be posting for a while (try to restrain your happiness! ;-) )
>
>KSC
>(off to annoy my parents with TD best album to date... Goblins' Club!)
>
>
>
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In a message dated 97-12-19 02:43:20 EST, you write:
<< At last, Tangerine Dream makes their 'Future Sound of
London' album. I quite like this one, actually. >>
i like it also...but as to your fsol comment: dream on...
tom w
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Subject: Canyon Dreams available on DVD
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I was at Tower Records in Toronto today and picked up the DVD of Canyon Dreams
for
$29. It is released along with other Mirimar titles like Journey to the Mind's
Eye
and Chronos. The company distributing it is Simitar Entertainment
http://www.simitar.com
Now all I have to do now is get myself a DVD Player and then I can watch it ;)
Steve
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Really-From: Vic Rek
I finally had a chance to listen to the Dream Mixes II release and Ambient
Monkeys. After a few listens, I have to admit that I like them more than
TD's last few releases.
I like the direction this is going. Being a '70's- early '80's TD fan, I
have to admit that there is some good creativity brewing... I like it!
Ambient Monkeys is a bit more compilcated with the various interwoven
tracks, but actually very satisfying. Not a great disc, but something
refreshing that I accept.
Dream Mixes II is geared more for the techno/house crowd. But what does that
mean? I really like this disc. Good ambient landscapes, transitions, beats,
rhythem, etc. The only complaint is the voices! The voices make it sound
like another generic techno group! Otherwise, a must buy!
Also, today I'm looking at a single by TD with side 'A' being 'Cinnamon
Road' and Side 'B' being 'Hyperborea'. It's funny that 'Cinnamon Road' is
longer than side B - this goes to show you what the record industry can do!
Never forget it and please support your local band ;-)
Vic
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Subject: Re: TD live albums
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>Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182
>
>Ricochet - spliced together from some 40 hours or so of albums
It is believed that the Croydon '75 concert is one of the used concerts for
this album.
>Encore - taken from live American sources and (according to Mr. Middleton in
>particular) some other piece that reminds me of a dinosaur (someone help me
>with the name here, please)
Sources from this album are Montreal '77, Seattle '77 and I think also
Washington '77.
>Logos - from a single show but with bits missing
Right, especially the 'Rush of Joy' part from the Logostypes-bootleg is
something I would really like to have on Logos.
>Poland - from a single, very long and difficult show which was 'spliced' to
>remove the difficulties
The first track Poland was also performed in Japan in 1983 and the first
part of Tangent was used as a set-closer since the 1982 concerts. The rest
of it is original 'Warsaw'-material, but, as you stated (and it's also in
the remaster-booklet), the material had to be edited in a solid way to a)
edit the songs from previous Virgin-albums and b) there were several power
breakdowns during the show. It's actually not one very long show, but an
afternoon and evening show just like East-Berlin 1980).
>Pergamon - considerably re-recorded with some changes not totally reflecting
>the actual concert
First, it's difficult to give explanation of my fave TD-album !!
Pergamon is a REMASTERED version of Quichotte. That means that no changes
have been made between the two. However, when comparing the tapes from the
concerts with the album, I am very sure that the outrageous guitar-solo in
Quichotte part 2 is the only re-recorded thing, as I couldn't find that on
the tapes. Quichotte part 1 (and the beginning and ending and part 2) comes
from the evening show, the piano-solo is very little edited, because there
were some 'cable-problems' during the intro.
>Livemiles - completely reconstructed between live performaces and the release
Believed to be recorded during the soundcheck at Alberquerque, at the
concert itself and at another 86-concert. The Berlin-part is OK, I mean all
the familiar material has been removed and the rest has been remained intact.
>220Volt Live - pretty faithful to the actual concert, although certain
>(previously released) music is played at the concert has not been included
I dislike this one: to name only the audience in the beginning. Sounds like
synths-audience to me !! It sounds very studio-ish, although tracks like
Backstreet Hero and Sundance Kid are quite good. Anyone for the source of
this one ??? I guess Seattle '92 as the video was recorded at this place.
Any comments on my comments ??
Have a nice weekend,
Cheers, Wouter
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>Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
>
>While previous TD live albums may not have been faithful reproductions of
>the shows they document, they offered new music at least. This is so much
>more important today, now that there isn't as much room for improvisation
>or the unexpected. The music is so technically perfect that I don't get
>the sensation of a *performance* happening. I loved the addition of live
>drums, but even these weren't used to their full potential, having to play
>second-fiddle to the DAT machine. I think TD could make concerts more
>interesting by either beefing up the human performance aspect (perhaps by
>stripping down the sound a bit and playing more of it my hand), or else
>expanding and twiddling with the songs more, instead of just reproducing
>them faithfully.
I think the first set did contain more alterations to some of the music, but of
course the usual licensing limitations stop them from releasing that portion of
the concert. I agree with your comments about making the concerts more
interesting, but don't hold out much hope until post-2000.
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
At 02:03 20-12-97 -0600, you wrote:
>Really-From: TWeibre361
>
>In a message dated 97-12-19 02:43:20 EST, you write:
>
><< At last, Tangerine Dream makes their 'Future Sound of
> London' album. I quite like this one, actually. >>
>
>i like it also...but as to your fsol comment: dream on...
>
>tom w
>
>np: fsol - my kingdom remixes
>
Some segments were also very similar to me to The Orb. Especially their
live album 'Live 93 - Evil 39' has a lot of ambient sounds between or
during the songs. Check out 'Spanish Castles in Space' for instance !
Cheers, Wouter
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Subject: Shy People
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Thanks to the tip-off, I was able to watch (but neglected to record) Shy People
last night on Channel 5 in the UK.
I wasn't too keen on the movie (a bit too clumsy for me, but what the heck),
but was more interested in the music. I was most interested in the fact that
most of the vocal tracks from the OST CD except Dancing on a White Moon seemed
to have different vocals on them,
I don't know if they were different people (the guy on The Harbour thing
sounded very different), but the singing was certainly different.
Anyone know anything about this? Is the Silva Screen CD that I have with the
old picture on the front (Hershey and Claybourgh) one of those 'released
without the cooperation of TD' things that might explain this?
BTW, I reckon TD produced some very, very spooky music for a lot of the swamp
shots that doesn't make it onto the CD. Shame, really. Would have gone straight
to the top of the Halloween music list, I reckon. Is that where I've seen this
discussed before?
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>Really-From: Wouter Bessels
>
>>Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182
>>
>>Ricochet - spliced together from some 40 hours or so of albums
>
>It is believed that the Croydon '75 concert is one of the used concerts for
>this album.
Thanks for the tip.
>
>>Encore [snipped]
>
>>Logos - from a single show but with bits missing
>
>Right, especially the 'Rush of Joy' part from the Logostypes-bootleg is
>something I would really like to have on Logos.
There are many parts on the Logostypes tape which are superb, some of which now
appears on The Keep and perhaps in other forthcoming soundtrack releases.
>>Poland - from a single, very long and difficult show which was 'spliced' to
>>remove the difficulties
>
>The first track Poland was also performed in Japan in 1983 and the first
>part of Tangent was used as a set-closer since the 1982 concerts. The rest
>of it is original 'Warsaw'-material, but, as you stated (and it's also in
>the remaster-booklet), the material had to be edited in a solid way to a)
>edit the songs from previous Virgin-albums and b) there were several power
>breakdowns during the show. It's actually not one very long show, but an
>afternoon and evening show just like East-Berlin 1980).
I didn't realise there were two shows. Thanks for that bit of info, too.
>
>>Pergamon - considerably re-recorded with some changes not totally reflecting
>>the actual concert
>
>First, it's difficult to give explanation of my fave TD-album !!
>Pergamon is a REMASTERED version of Quichotte. That means that no changes
>have been made between the two. However, when comparing the tapes from the
>concerts with the album, I am very sure that the outrageous guitar-solo in
>Quichotte part 2 is the only re-recorded thing, as I couldn't find that on
>the tapes. Quichotte part 1 (and the beginning and ending and part 2) comes
>from the evening show, the piano-solo is very little edited, because there
>were some 'cable-problems' during the intro.
Okay, I stand corrected. It falls into the same category as Poland, then? (Need
to listen to those tapes more closely.
>
>>Livemiles - completely reconstructed between live performaces and the release
>
>Believed to be recorded during the soundcheck at Alberquerque, at the
>concert itself and at another 86-concert. The Berlin-part is OK, I mean all
>the familiar material has been removed and the rest has been remained intact.
Sorry, but I don't agree with this last comment regarding the Berlin concert. I
know that various people have been round this loop before, and if I had the
time I'd look through my digests and find the Livemiles FAQ. However, by
listening to the Berlin tapes and the Livemiles CD, there are mor changes than
just the removal of the familiar material. The first section, for instance, has
different instrumentation and has ben speeded up (unless there's something
wrong with my tape).
>>220Volt Live - pretty faithful to the actual concert, although certain
>>(previously released) music is played at the concert has not been included
>
>I dislike this one: to name only the audience in the beginning. Sounds like
>synths-audience to me !! It sounds very studio-ish, although tracks like
>Backstreet Hero and Sundance Kid are quite good. Anyone for the source of
>this one ??? I guess Seattle '92 as the video was recorded at this place.
The 220Volt Live sounds similar enough to the Dancing on Danforth Avenue boot
to convince me that these are live tracks. DoDA was recorded in Toronto and has
the usual mix of 220Volt 'new' tracks and older ones (i.e. from Rockoon, etc.)
As an album, however, 220Volt Live is probably the worst production-wise. The
lack of audience participation is normal in TD's live albums (perhaps due to
the 'messing around' in the studio?) but they are normally of equally high
production quality. This album suffers from all sorts of imbalances which I
find detracts from the music. This is saying something, cos I'm not an
audiophile and normally the discussions of '2 second drop-out from left channel
in such-and-such' doesn't interest me cos I haven't noticed it.
>Any comments on my comments ??
Yeah. See above. And thanks for some new info.
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Date: Sat Dec 20, 1997 12:56
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Subject: Best TD Find Of The Year
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Hello
Since this year is coming to a close, I would like to post a topic which
some of you may feel interested. The question is: what is your best TD find
of the year?? 'Best' in the sense of rare item or something memorable,
unforgettable for the rest of your life, or any item that you got at a very
very low price. I have my own examples as illustrations:
1) 'Best' in the sense of 'Rare' or 'Unforgettable'
My choice is a Three Phase: Past Present Future Japanese Laser Disc. This
laser disc has a slightly different picture from the US laser disc. The
front cover is supposedly adopted from the cover of the video tape, and
some variation of colour is made to it. I choose it my item for the year as
I carried it over to Germany and got it signed by Edgar, Jerome and Zlatco.
Together with the US version of the laser disc (autographed too) they make
a very good pair in my collection. The only thing I need to do is to find
Ms Linda Spa to sign on them, as she was also feature on the 92 tour.
2) 'Best' in the sense of 'Economical'
My choice is the UK Castle Promo CD Sampler 1996 including 'Towards The
Evening Star'. I got a copy at a Berlin record fair and you can hardly
believe its price: 3DM only!!!!!
It was a day in heaven.
So what are you guy's choice??
Dream On
Jeffrey
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Really-From: 'Ed Wilson'
Soundtracks! I am a fan of TD's soundtracks, listening to The Park is Mine
right now. There is a moody flavor with them that I don't always find on
their other works. Flashpoint, Miracle Mile, Deadly Care are 'hits' Of
course some are not as in all things. I can slip into these at times when
the studio works seem to be tangential (PUN!) Of course, I am a film music
fan in general, in that it is written to create or enhance a particular
mood/scene i.e. a human emotion, but all music has that appeal, one way or
another, to us.
I'm also more at home with their earlier, longer piece, works. I suppose
this is the format I became accustomed to for TD, but I also like the
'build' and progression for the long ones. They fit some of the same places
in my head as Miles Davis's work from his fusion period, his works,
Agharta, Pangea, Big Fun, etc.
Just some thoughts from a music junkie, TD being the drug of choice.
Ed Wilson
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
-- good thread Jeffrey!!! it's been a great year for td so it's difficult
to choose any one item in particular; among my top choices:
>1) 'Best' in the sense of 'Rare' or 'Unforgettable'
-- my top choices: the man inside, original heartbreakers, & the phaedra
promo 7' single. especially unforgettable was walking into a Music & Video
Exchange on Berwick Street with listmember Armin, asking the guys at the
counter for new td stuff, and seeing them produce about 100 td cds -- among
which were TMI and Heartbreakers! among the other finds: 4 mint copies of
the DJ promo 12' Orb TtES remix w/inserts (which I see now selling for
about $100!) one london store that I walked out of with a handful of 7' &
12' td singles; oh yeah, then there were the two copies of the UK tangram
with picture sleeves that I found in Ann Arbor... OK, I could go on and on,
but I better stop here ;-)
>2) 'Best' in the sense of 'Economical'
-- see the above; TMI and Heartbreakers were about $7 each! the phaedra
promo single I picked up here for $2.99! both were great days. also great
buys were finding zoo of tranquillity for 6 pounds & the volt rockoon for 8
pounds (but I traded these two away for an even better deal ;-) . then
there were the 2 mint streethawk 7' singles for 3 pounds each; sigh, I miss
london (OK, I better stop here too!)
ciao
lars
(going out td shopping!)
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Hi Guys!
Regarding my best TD find of the year-
1. Has to be the 70-80 lp box I got at a record show here in Michigan. I got it
for about $30.00 and the booklet alone is worth that for all the pictures
inside. Close runner up is the Keep cd Lawry got for me in England. ( not to
mention the keep bluemoon cdr from Dave) .
Most economical find:
2. This one is easy , I found the 20 volt promo single w/vocals in a used bin
for .25 !
I'd also like to take this time for thanking all the listmembers and Dave
for all the great stuff, trading and information this past year! I wouldn't
have nearly the collection I had at the begginning of the year if it weren't
for you guys! And also a big thanks to the TD guys themselves ( you too
Stefan!) for all their great input that enriches my musical life.!!!
Happy holidays!
Chris
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Really-From: Jim Moore
Just a small piece of my mind on this: With the exception of _Legend_ and
_Sorcerer_, I have always heard their soundtracks before seeing the
movie... Since I've already pieced my own landscape together before
seeing the movie, I don't feel anything missing when I hear the music without
the movie...
- jim
'My grandmother is over eighty and still doesn't need glasses. Drinks right
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Really-From: Jim Moore
> Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> > Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
> > Is the music on the _Bicycle Race_ the same as the music on the
> > _In der Garten Pharoas_ CD? Or is there material on it that does
> > not appear on the CD? (i.e. would having both be redundant?)
> In den Garten Pharaos and Bicycle race were in it's original form two LP
bootlegs
> containing music from the Bristol 90 gig. The CD has both in one( Really the
CD is
> titled IN DEN GARTEN PHARAOS/BICICLE RACE) so bicycle race LP is redundant,
> musically speaking, if you have the CD. I don't know if the LP has photos or
> documents the CD doesn't have.
Okay, I've got two conflicting reports: one says that only half the music on
_BR_
is on _IDGP_, another says that _BR_ is completely included in _IDGP_... Am
I going to have to buy this one to find out?
- jim
'My grandmother is over eighty and still doesn't need glasses. Drinks right
out of the bottle...' -- Henny Youngman
'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>Since I've already pieced my own landscape together before
> seeing the movie, I don't feel anything missing when I hear the music
without
> the movie...
>
> - jim
'Oasis' is a soundtrack, but many people wouldn't know that if they were
not told or the booklet had not said it was. I don't necessarily want to
see the film to understand the music. I know I can create my own worlds
from the music. Of course I live about 3 miles away from the same river
that inspired such tracks 'Waterborne' and that might help just a little
bit =o)
Greg H.
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My most thrilling find of the year would have to be the Thief CD. It is
so rare in the U.S. that even my favorite record store couldn't find it.
Finally, someone from this list (thanks OD) went to the trouble of contacting
a friend in Germany who also went to the trouble of locating it and mailing it
back here (thank you unknown friend). I place the album in my top three
favorites and play it constantly (even as we speak). Dell
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In a message dated 97-12-20 11:59:30 EST, you write:
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Just a small piece of my mind on this: With the exception of _Legend_ and
_Sorcerer_, I have always heard their soundtracks before seeing the
movie... Since I've already pieced my own landscape together before
seeing the movie, I don't feel anything missing when I hear the music without
the movie... >>
I agree with you, Jim. I have never seen the movie for Thief yet the
music stands on its own. But maybe that's because the tracks are longer and
more developed. The example that was originally used, Three O'Clock High, is
very chopped up and not much would come to mind for the pieces without seeing
the movie. Dell
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
>
>
> Really-From: Jim Moore
>
> Okay, I've got two conflicting reports: one says that only half the music on
_BR_
> is on _IDGP_, another says that _BR_ is completely included in _IDGP_... Am
> I going to have to buy this one to find out?
>
Sorry for the misinformation. My fault. I've trusted so much the CD title that
I forgot
to think a bit. Besides I read Vic's answer and decided to erase my answer but,
finally,
I forgot and reached the list
---Francisco
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>Really-From: Jim Moore
>> Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
>> > Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
>> > Is the music on the _Bicycle Race_ the same as the music on the
>> > _In der Garten Pharoas_ CD? Or is there material on it that does
[...]
>Okay, I've got two conflicting reports: one says that only half the music
on _BR_
>is on _IDGP_, another says that _BR_ is completely included in _IDGP_...
Am
>I going to have to buy this one to find out?
well, when I posted my comments, I was looking at the lp (i have 3 copies
of it in different colors), my timings from it as recorded on cassette, and
at the cd (only 1 copy) so I stand by what I posted: sequences 1-6 on LP;
only sequences 1-4 on cd (20 extra minutes on lp). I don't know where
francisco got his information but the cd antarktis does NOT have all the
music on the LP. just because a title is similar is NO indication that
the content is the same -- one *has to do a comparison*, otherwise we just
end up with a bunch of erroneous posts that just confuse everyone!!!!
lars
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
Hi Lars
By the time you red this you'll se my previous message apologizing.
I was mentioning IN DEN GARTEN PHARAOS/BICICLE RACE CD
( not Antarktis); but you're right there is only a part of what it's
on the LP 'Bicycle Race' ( maybe side A?)
But since you've mentioned Antarktis I gave it a look, and you're
correct there are some Bristol 1990 stuff on it. Could it be what it's
missing in 'IN DEN GARTEN...' CD?
---Francisco
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
> Really-From: AOutland
>
>
> My most thrilling find of the year would have to be the Thief CD. It
is
> so rare in the U.S. that even my favorite record store couldn't find it.
> Finally, someone from this list (thanks OD) went to the trouble of
contacting
> a friend in Germany who also went to the trouble of locating it and
mailing it
> back here (thank you unknown friend). I place the album in my top three
> favorites and play it constantly (even as we speak). Dell
Is it just the ordinary old Virgin CD or the SBM version?? Pity that you
experienced this and probably something wrong with the distribution in your
area.
Jeffrey
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Hi Guys!
Regarding my best TD find of the year-
1. Has to be the 70-80 lp box I got at a record show here in Michigan. I
got it for about $30.00 and the booklet alone is worth that for all the
pictures inside.
Absolutely. The box along with 'The Dream Roots Collection' as best-of
compilations should be indispensable in any TD collection, for the cool
pictures included and the previously unreleased material. 'Tangent' was
great too but it only contained graphics but not special photos of TD. 'The
Private Music Of Tangerine Dream' was only good for 2 tracks. Dream
Sequence still remained nice for me; it was great when it was out back in
1985 (it made me determined to collect TD). In contrast, those 'From Dawn
Till Dusk', 'The Story Of Tangerine Dream', 'The Best Of Tangerine Dream'
are for me the worst of all.
Most economical find:
2. This one is easy , I found the 20 volt promo single w/vocals in a used
bin for .25 !
Does this single have any special promo statement on the disc or sleeve?
Jeffrey
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
-- good thread Jeffrey!!! it's been a great year for td so it's difficult
to choose any one item in particular; among my top choices:
>1) 'Best' in the sense of 'Rare' or 'Unforgettable'
among the other finds: 4 mint copies of the DJ promo 12' Orb TtES remix
w/inserts (which I see now selling for about $100!)
Is the 12' insert one asking you to mail back a feedback regarding the
disc?? Also is there any statement suggesting a mislabel?? I have a friend
keeping such an item for me in Glasgow but I don't know the details
exactly.
The UK 12' Single I own now is one without any insert.
>2) 'Best' in the sense of 'Economical'
-- see the above; TMI and Heartbreakers were about $7 each! the phaedra
promo single I picked up here for $2.99! both were great days. also great
buys were finding zoo of tranquillity for 6 pounds & the volt rockoon for 8
pounds (but I traded these two away for an even better deal ;-) . then
there were the 2 mint streethawk 7' singles for 3 pounds each; sigh, I miss
london (OK, I better stop here too!)
I must visit this shop some time!! At least they don't charge an admission
fee like a record fair....
Jeffrey
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Really-From: Vic Rek
Since many don't view Rockoon as TD's finest moment, I would like to mention
that I have identified at least 4 releases with different covers:
1. Rockoon - US Miramar MPCD 2802, 1992
2. Rockoon - Germany Volt VR 5020, diff. blue cover, 1992
3. Rockoon - Germany Virgin 262 440, 1992
4. Rockoon - France Editions Atlas RK CD 501, pic. w/Baumann!, rel. 1994
and the latest:
5. Rockoon - Austria TDI Music TDI004CD, pic. disc, cover like US issue,
rel. 1996
So there you go - collect 'em all. Obviously I just must have finished my
Christmas shopping since I have some idle time!
Vic
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Really-From: Vic Rek
>1) 'Best' in the sense of 'Rare' or 'Unforgettable'
First I would have to say the friends that I met on this list, including
Jeffrey which started this thread.
After that it would be many TD items. It's been a good year for the fans,
but I guess my best (not to mention two very rare CD boots) would be:
Alpha Centauri - Japan Odeon white label promo LP and
Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender/Bent Cold Sidewalk - Spanish promo
7' w/PS
From the solo stuff it has to be:
Michael Hoenig - The Blob strk. CD
Edgar Froese - Ages Japan white label promo LPs
>2) 'Best' in the sense of 'Economical'
Even though most of my aquisitions are done by trading, this was an easy one:
Towards the Evening Star - US promo CD single. Price - FREE
>My choice is the UK Castle Promo CD Sampler 1996 including 'Towards The
>Evening Star'. I got a copy at a Berlin record fair and you can hardly
>believe its price: 3DM only!!!!!
Hey, this 3DM sampler is on my want list ;-)
It's been an interesting year!
Vic
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This week we would like to hear comments on:
Johannes Schmoelling - Wuivend Riet
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I have an extra copy of TD's 'Jim & Pablo - Der Meteor' soundtrack available
for trade or sale. Contact me off list if you are interested.
Vic
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Ok, this is old but I never got a clear answer.
What is the difference between what Virgin is releasing in January and what
TD released in limited quantites during the europe tour (once again, north
american fans are screwed.)
Any news on when the other bootlegs mentioned at TD web page will actually
hit the US?
Does it bug anyone else that the TD web site hasn't been updated in more than
a month and a half? Sort of defeats the point of the medium.
Ambient Monkeys and Times Square were obtained from RPM. Pleasant surprises.
Ambient Monkeys is a bit irritating at times but its nice to hear the band
exploring new territory again. As for Times Square, pardon the pun but I
raved about vol. 1, and this is a nice continuation. It's different from
Dream Mixes, more original material and some less than predicatble
transitions, drum beats, etc.
Now if I could only track down the special tour edition of The Keep...
--Alan
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Hi Francisco
I'm guilty as charged for the erroneous info! you're right we were
discussing IDGP not antarktis! sorry for my goof. (but I was looking at BR
and IDGP when I wrote the original post ;-)
guess it was just too much holiday shopping brought the grinch out in me
;-)
lars
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
>>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>>>Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
[...]
>>>1) 'Best' in the sense of 'Rare' or 'Unforgettable'
>>among the other finds: 4 mint copies of the DJ promo 12' Orb TtES remix
>w/inserts (which I see now selling for about $100!)
>
>Is the 12' insert one asking you to mail back a feedback regarding the
>disc?? Also is there any statement suggesting a mislabel?? I have a friend
>keeping such an item for me in Glasgow but I don't know the details
>exactly.
-- yes, but be sure it's on black vinyl since these are the real vinyl
promos (there is no easy way to determine the promo CDs from the stock CDs
except that the promos come without the digipak! at least all of them that
I know of... perhaps vic's is different? ;-)
lars
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Really-From: 'neil vanlaten'
Greetings,
Ricochet, Encore, Logos, Poland, Livemiles are all brilliant TD albums.
Yes we can be critical that they have been edited especially if you were
at one or more of the concerts (maybe that is why I think 220 volt is
just OK) however I'm most appreciative that they were released. There
are recordings of other brilliant TD concerts (especially the improvised
variety) and I can only hope that someday they will be released in their
entirety or otherwise edited. Tournado on the other hand was a
dissappointment to me since it contained no new compositions and frankly
their new style doesn't appeal to me. I do acknowledge however that this
new style appeals to a wider audience. Having said this I enjoy and
listen to Oasis often.
Hope you have a wonderful holiday and glory be to God in the highest.
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1) I think the best TD find of the year for me, although not necessarily
rare, would be the laserdisc of THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES. Also the
laserdisc of THEIF: DIRECTOR's CUT, which includes supplementary material
and commentary not found on the VHS version.
2) As far as good deals go, well, I guess the CD of TANGRAM DEFINITIVE
EDITION for $11.00, replacing my older Virgin release which vansihed from
my collection (thank the kids I presume). Of the 100+ TD CD's I have,
this is probably my favorite studio release.
- Matt
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All I have to say is:
Is matjora still alive!
Dano
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
> Hi Francisco
> I'm guilty as charged for the erroneous info! you're right we were
> discussing IDGP not antarktis! sorry for my goof. (but I was looking at BR
> and IDGP when I wrote the original post ;-)
>
Yes, you made a mistake but not too big because Antarktis has tracks 11-13 from
Bristol, 11-6-1990. Since you have the complete 'creature' can you tell us if
what
is on Antarktis from the Bristol concert (8 min 38 sec) is also on Bicycle Race
or
is it unreleased ?
> of course, Persistence of Vision (if it ever appears) is supposed to
have a
> 10 minute encore from this show as well...
The encore from Bristol in POV is released the same as the one in IDGP CD[
sequence II], but not the same source, I think. And POV has better S/N
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> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>
> Since many don't view Rockoon as TD's finest moment, I would like to
mention
> that I have identified at least 4 releases with different covers:
>
> 2. Rockoon - Germany Volt VR 5020, diff. blue cover, 1992
Although I don't have this I believe the cover of this release is at least
in two different blue colours!
Also the Castle Communication releases have two different catalogue nos:
ESS CD 976 - blue disc
ESS CD 403 - reissue as a purple disc
Truly hard for collectors...
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> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>
>
> >1) 'Best' in the sense of 'Rare' or 'Unforgettable'
>
> First I would have to say the friends that I met on this list, including
> Jeffrey which started this thread.
>
Did you miss some words above, Vic?
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> Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson)
>
> 1) I think the best TD find of the year for me, although not necessarily
> rare, would be the laserdisc of THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES. Also the
> laserdisc of THEIF: DIRECTOR's CUT, which includes supplementary material
> and commentary not found on the VHS version.
>
> - Matt
>
Can you give the catalogue no. of the Director's Cut and details regarding
the supplementary material as said above?
Jeffrey
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Really-From: 'Gerry Fox'
my find this year was to get a copy of Tangents for about 35sterling at the
HMV shop in Hong Kong when on holiday there a few weeks ago.
Now I know what all the fuss was about. BTW I like it
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>
>> Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson)
>>
>> 1) I think the best TD find of the year for me, although not
>necessarily
>> rare, would be the laserdisc of THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES. Also the
>> laserdisc of THEIF: DIRECTOR's CUT, which includes supplementary
>material
>> and commentary not found on the VHS version.
>>
>> - Matt
>>
>
>Can you give the catalogue no. of the Director's Cut and details
>regarding
>the supplementary material as said above?
>
>Jeffrey
>
The supplementary material on the THIEF laserdisc consists mostly of
running commentary by director Michael Mann on the secondary audio
tracks. As the movie progresses, he comments on everything and anything,
including the various musical selections present (all TD). There are
also several still photos and original reviews written by various sources
at the end of the movie. Highly recommended!
- Matt
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Really-From: Andy Garner
Please find below a list of EM CD's I have been given to sell. I have
been asked to sell them by the mother of a friend of mine who was killed
in a traffic accident recently. I want to do my best in his memory and
am looking for the best price possible on these CD's. If you are
interested in ANY of these please e-mail me privately with offers. I am
looking for around 7 pounds sterling or $12 whichever currency is more
apropriate. Please choose as many as you can. The CD's are of such a
specialist nature that I get hardly anything for them in a second hand
shope. Please , please help if you can.
Air Sculpture - Impossible Geometries
Ashra - Sunrain
Bilinski, Marek - Ogrod Krola Switu
Biry, Daniel - 'YS'
Broguiere, Patrick - Icones
Bryan, Morgan - Under Every Sky
Budd, Harold - Under Every Sky
Coral Cave - Impressions Of Science
Exchange - Into The Night
Fervant, Thierry - Univers
Fox, Robert - Blue Mountains Suite
Danna & Clement - North Of Niagra
Hanford, Jan - Vespers
Hoenig, Michael - Departure From Northern Wastelands
Holrpyd, Bob - Fluidity & Structure
Huygen, Michael - Absence Of Reality
Jenkins, Mark - Space Dreams 2
Kater, Peter - Homage
Kerr , John - 3 X 3 Plus 2
Kerr, John - Wet Dreams
Kilbey, Steve - Earthed
Kimara - One Reality
Loreau, Bertrand - Priere
Loreau, Bertrand - Sur Le Chemin
Neuber, Hans Peter - Infinities
O' Hearn, Patrick - Ancient Dreams
O' Hearn, Patrick - Rivers Gonna Rise
O' Hearn, Patrick - Trust
Schroder, Robert - Harmonic Ascendant
Schulze/Grosser - Babel
Schulze, Klaus - Beyond Recall
Schulze, Klaus - Dreams
Vangelis - Heaven & Hell
Vangelis - Oceanic
Vangelis - Voices
Vangelis - Dreams
Van Tieghem, David - Strange Cargo
Van Tieghem., David - Safety In Numbers
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Andy Garner
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Hi,
just btw: did anybody see the movie 'Chasing Amy'? There is one scene
in a record shop, two people having a conversation while browsing through
the CDs. For a minute or so you see the New Age section in the background,
and the cover of 'Rockoon'....
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Really-From: Vic Rek
>Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
>> Really-From: Vic Rek
>> >1) 'Best' in the sense of 'Rare' or 'Unforgettable'
>>
>> First I would have to say the friends that I met on this list, including
>> Jeffrey which started this thread.
>>
>
>Did you miss some words above, Vic?
You know how sometimes you're short on words or left speechless? :-)
What I wanted to say was that the best part of being a fan this year was
meeting many fans on this list and establishing those 'rare' friendships
these days.
Vic
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>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>>Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
>>Is the 12' insert one asking you to mail back a feedback regarding the
>>disc?? Also is there any statement suggesting a mislabel?? I have a friend
>>keeping such an item for me in Glasgow but I don't know the details
>>exactly.
>-- yes, but be sure it's on black vinyl since these are the real vinyl
>promos (there is no easy way to determine the promo CDs from the stock CDs
>except that the promos come without the digipak! at least all of them that
>I know of... perhaps vic's is different? ;-)
I don't have a promo CD of this because as you mentioned it is the same but
without the digipak. Am I missing something here (are there any promo
statements)? Or do you want me to check the 12' promo for you? ;-) Anyway
Lars, give me an e-ring off-list also..
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Really-From: Lawrysimm
I haven't had the chance to go to many fairs this year, and so I've been
missing out
on any rare items. For me, my highlights are experiences. Two spring to
mind.
First of all, joining this list. I feel as if I know a lot of you really well
now, even the
people whose messages I always read, but perhaps have never conversed with,
and
I only joined in august! Secondly, there was the TD concert at Manchester.
I know
a few people are not too impressed with TD's 'live' shows these days, but
nobody
will take anything away from this for me. It was my personal highlight of the
year.
As for the best find in a bargain sense, I picked up the Shy People CD in the
HMV sale for Ģ2.99, and I think that the remastered Underwater Sunlight for Ģ8
whilst not
particulary a bargain, represents the best value for money. This album still
sounds
incredible to me. The music is still as fresh and moving as it was 10 years
ago, and
as usual, the sound quality of the remaster is fantastic.
Lawry
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Really-From: Antonio Nunes
1) 'Best' in the sense of 'Rare' or 'Unforgettable'
Quinoa and Heartbreakers.
2) 'Best' in the sense of 'Economical'
Unfortunately I've never found an 'economical' TD album, so my choice is
a TD-related one: Chris Franke 'New Music for Films Vol.1'. It costed me
nothing because I won it from a Cue-Records Quiz.
Antonio
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
Well it seems I have to add my 'best' of this year
Best in the sense of 'rare', 'unforgettable'
'Rare' is to be able to hear three sources of the Shepherd's Bush concert ,
London 11,30, 1996 and to blend them all to get the complete concert.
'unforgettable' was to organize a tree with this work (POV) and all that is
happening to it along this year on the CDR branch). thanks god, the DAT
branch ran almost without aa flaw.
Also 'unforgettable' was the video I saw of TD playing with the Munich
philharmonic Orchestra ( 1981) playing 'Mojave Plan'... I've got skin
goose!!!
Best in the send of 'economical' maybe the SBM version of Rubycon ( around 6
dollars)
but who cares ?, I paid happily what I had to pay to get such jewels as Oasis
( really the best TD has done in the las 3 or 4 years), Tournado, with those
hypnotic toms at the beginning, Ambient Monkeys, (at least something close to
an experiment in a lot of years! thanks Edgar and Jerome for this!) and Dream
Mixes II a very good follow-up of the first mix CD .
The end of this year came with a magic date ( september, 30th), that might
fit in the 'unforgettable' category: 30 years ago Edgar had the craziest idea
ever- To get with sounds what the Dali got with oils, What would it be a
surrealistic conception of music ? so he decided to create a band with
surrealistic name and surrealistic goals: Tangerine Dream.
Now 30 years have passed and a lot of amazing sound experiences have been
created in the way.
Many Thanks Edgar, Chris, Peter, Johannes, Paul, Jerome, Linda and all the
others that helped to create The History!!
--Francisco
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Hi all
Yesterday my girlfriend and I were in the TST district to shop around. We
happened to get into a furniture shop and were pestered by a rather
hard-sell sales executive (i.e. a KGB follow-you-all-the-way style). While
my girl friend was busy paying lip service to the sales woman (don't get it
wrong!), I suddenly noticed a piece of very familiar music somewhere in the
background of the huge display room. I chased after the sound and then
found that it was from a television. It showed a demo video tape for an
Italian furniture brand whose name started with a 'Z' (any idea? I forgot
the name). I took me some moments to realise that it was the middle part of
'Cloudburst Flight', before the music got the upsurge. I would like to
check if TD was credited by providing the music (probably not) but we
instead took the opportunity to leave the uncomfortable environment...
Jeffrey
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In a message dated 97-12-20 19:02:39 EST, you write:
<<
Is it just the ordinary old Virgin CD or the SBM version?? Pity that you
experienced this and probably something wrong with the distribution in your
area.
Jeffrey
>>
Above re: Thief: I have the SBM version. Is that different in some way?
Dell
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Hello all....
I recently came across this item, and I'm looking to trade
it if anyone is interested. It is: A quadraphonic version
of ZEIT, on vinyl, from PDU Records/EMI Milan, Italy;
it's a gatefold cover, with black & silver labels;
# PIM-SQ 6010/11. 'Voices in the Dunes' lists
this as #OIM-SQ 6010/11, but I've got this sittin'
right here in front of me. Anyone interested, just let me
know.
Steve
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In a message dated 97-12-21 17:17:38 EST, you write:
<< surrealistic name and surrealistic goals: Tangerine Dream. >>
I'm probably asking what has been asked many times before but I have
never heard where the band got this name. I know they say it did not come from
Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds, but does anybody know where it did come from?
The only other thing I have seen named this is an auto club. Don't tell me the
band's dream was to own a Mercedes or something! 8-) Dell
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< I'm probably asking what has been asked many times before but I have
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> Really-From: AOutland
>
>
> In a message dated 97-12-21 17:17:38 EST, you write:
>
> << surrealistic name and surrealistic goals: Tangerine Dream. >>
> I'm probably asking what has been asked many times before but I have
> never heard where the band got this name. I know they say it did not come
from
> Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds, but does anybody know where it did come
from?
> The only other thing I have seen named this is an auto club. Don't tell
me the
> band's dream was to own a Mercedes or something! 8-) Dell
Heehee.. the band's dream was to make a song good enough to get airplay on
the Tangerine Dream auto club commercial..
Sorry, but I though that was funny =oÞ
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
Hi friends,
To let you know my highlights of the year:
1) 'Best' in the sense of 'Rare' or 'Unforgettable'
* The TD performance in Amsterdam at April 20th. This concert was my first
TD concert and after the show I didn't realise immediately if I was 'back
on earth'. Especially 'Silver Scale' and 'Stratosfear' were great and my
girlfriend freaked out on 'Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal ' !!!!
* Thanks a lot Lawry, for sending me copies of The Keep and Ambient
Monkeys. Both are very special for me and especially The Keep was a welcome
addition to my collection, also because it's very rare now !!
* I found a sealed copy of Quinoa, after searching for many years.
* The rare Alexander square CD-single.
* Lots of fantastic live tapes. It was quite difficult to get some when you
have nothing to trade with, but with the self-recorded gig and lots of
excellent traders (thanks Lars, Klaus, Chris, John, Jose, Roger, Michael,
Claude, Andy and Craig) I've got some pretty good tapes. Thanks guys !!
2) 'Best' in the sense of 'Economical'
* Found a Mint copy of the Tangram LP with 'Tangram inner sleeve' for less
than 2 Dollars !!
* Bought all Virgin and Castle remasters in Germany for 15 German Marks for
one CD !!
I'm curious to what 1998 is bring for rare and nice TD material......for
all of us !!
Cheers,
Wouter Bessels
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Date: Mon Dec 22, 1997 10:38
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On Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:29:21 EST tadream mailing list
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>
> Although the pieces
> in Goblin's Club are shorter, they still conjure images; for example, Rising
> Haul in Silence: I envision an olden times village whose main export is brick.
> A few miles away there is a factory being built. The carts are laden, the
> horses hitched, all goes well when morning is cool and the road is level, but
> they have a hill to climb. Poor dumb animals suffer in silence except for the
> heavy breathing and squeals of anguish as they throw their shoulders into the
> load. The eagle screams above their heads when they reach the top. Not much
> rest when they reach their destination. They have to do it all again tomorrow.
Goblin's Club in its entirety makes me think of a
fantastic, vaguely Lord-of-the-Rings-like landscape
including dense forests, wizard's towers, a little village
and a clear blue river. Rising Haul in Silence specifically
makes me think of that village and river, with people
loading and unloading wooden boats with timber, bricks, or
wheat. I agree it is a very vivid piece - I can almost
smell the woodwork on the village buildings, and see the
whole scenery in dark blue and green colours (the river and
the forest). I truly love this album, and this piece in
particular.
Dennis
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Subject: RE: Surrealistic Name
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Really-From: Antonio Nunes
Elias Granillo, Jr.' wrote:
> The Beatles tune is indeed where Edgar gleaned the name for what he
> undoubtedly didn't know would become a trail-blazing, musical juggernaut.
The expression used in the Beatles tune is Tangerine TREES, but of
course Edgar could have modified it or even misunderstood it. Another
theory is that the name came from an album by the KALEIDOSCOPE band
called 'Tangerine Dream' and released around 1967.
Antonio
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Date: Mon Dec 22, 1997 1:42
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Subject: TD albums in film
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
regarding td album art in films, I haven't seen any but I can't begin to
count the number of people (main characters and extras) that I've seen
wearing TD shirts in films... I wish I could remember some of the titles
..
lars
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>Really-From: Antonio Nunes
>Elias Granillo, Jr.' wrote:
>
>> The Beatles tune is indeed where Edgar gleaned the name for what he
>> undoubtedly didn't know would become a trail-blazing, musical
juggernaut.
>
>The expression used in the Beatles tune is Tangerine TREES, but of
>course Edgar could have modified it or even misunderstood it. Another
>theory is that the name came from an album by the KALEIDOSCOPE band
>called 'Tangerine Dream' and released around 1967.
>
>Antonio
Yes, and if you read the lyrics for The Ones' 'Lady Greengrass' the source
for the name tangerine dream seems pretty clear. I made a mid-size post,
including the pertinent lyrics, on this subject sometime between 4.20.97
and 6.1.97; I tried to find and repost it but the **FUCKING COMPUSERVE**
e-mail program nukes old archived material without warning... Steven F.
also posted all the lyrics and some further comments.
perhaps someone with more time than I can repost the lyrics.....
lars
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Subject: Re[2]: Surrealistic Name
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Really-From: 'Roger Smith'
Curious about the origin of the band's name, I started this thread
last summer. Here is a posting in my archive from 6/24/97:
----------------------
Really-From: Mark Filipak
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Grant Middleton' >
> > Ed & Co. say it's _not_ from LitSwD, since the line is actually >
> 'tangerine trees.' It could be that Ed heard it as 'dream' and
> > decided to use it for his band name. When did Sgt. Pepper come
out? >
> June 67.
>
> > TD was founded in Sept. '67 ...
> > ... and I wonder if Sgt. Pepper might have come out
> > after, thus lending credence to his claim. Maybe he didn't want to
> > look stupid by mis-hearing the line in the song. I think the
> > official line is that it's an anagram. For what? >
> I believe Edgar has said it's an _acronym_, though whether > it's an
English or German one, I don't know.
>
> Or it could be derived from the words in Lady Greengrass by The >
Ones.
>
> But personally, I think he stole it from the Kaleidoscope album -
it's > too much of a coincidence.
Excuse me but I think we are missing an important note here. If 'Lady
Greenglass' came out a year before either 'Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts
Club' or the Kaleidoscope album, and 'LG' had these words
She lifts her dress and
floats to dreamland--
makes love to the sky.
She let's her hair hang down
as the weeds go 'round
Lady Greengrass.
Puff, the grass turns tangerine [in verse 2 it's '... the trees turn
tangerine']
Puff, the sky is suddenly green;
her eyes reveal her state of mind;
she's beginning to fly.
then who influenced who? Maybe the question we should ask is: Where
did the Beatles get the phrase 'tangerine trees' rather than debating
what to me is obvious -- that Edgar invented the name.
My $2e-2 -- Mark
--------------------
My question is, what's the deal with the word Tangerine? Is this
color different than orange (European acid), or just rhymes better
with words like 'green?' I must say, however, the name Tangerine
Dream is a wonderful one.
Roger
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Subject: RE: Best TD Find Of The Year
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Hi gang!,
In a past letter I wrote:Most economical find:
2. This one is easy , I found the 20 volt promo single w/vocals in a used
bin for .25 !
Jeffrey wrote>
Does this single have any special promo statement on the disc or sleeve?
Yes, mine had the promotional copy only stamp in gold lettering. I do not know
if this is from the ditributor or if it was printed that way, but my guess is
that it was stamped on it after the fact. My local Michigan based record chain
'HARMONY HOUSE' has used this stamp in the past. The cd itself is no different
than other copies I've seen, with a cardboard sleeve .
Chris
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Subject: Re: Best TD Find Of The Year
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> 1) 'Best' in the sense of 'Rare' or 'Unforgettable'
I was finally introduced to the world of tape trading (thanks Lars!), and
have finally had a chance to hear the original 'Pergamon' concert.
However, my favourite concert tape is the 1986 'Parisian Dreams' show.
Hearing it was like getting another disk 5 from the 'Dream Roots
Collection'.
I'm still waiting to hear the complete Voxel UX track, although Dave Datta
played some of it for me over the phone! I wouldn't call it
unforgettable, but it sure is rare!
> 2) 'Best' in the sense of 'Economical'
Thanks to Hilmar, I was able to snag a copy of the 1997 Tour Single in a
very fair music trade.
I got the SBM version of Encore for 7 bucks Canadian (about 5 U.S.), and
Force Majeure for 8 Canadian.
Otherwise, I paid through the nose for everything. :-)
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Subject: Re[2]: Surrealistic Name
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>Really-From: 'Roger Smith'
> Curious about the origin of the band's name, I started this thread
> last summer. Here is a posting in my archive from 6/24/97:
>
[...]
> Excuse me but I think we are missing an important note here. If
'Lady
> Greenglass' came out a year before either 'Sgt. Pepper's Lonely
Hearts
> Club' or the Kaleidoscope album, and 'LG' had these words
>
> She lifts her dress and
> floats to dreamland--
> makes love to the sky.
>
> She let's her hair hang down
> as the weeds go 'round
> Lady Greengrass.
>
> Puff, the grass turns tangerine
> Puff, the sky is suddenly green;
> her eyes reveal her state of mind;
> she's beginning to fly.
she's beginning to fly
[ok, you made me do it, here's the rest:]
licking lollipops
catching moondrops
bright and beautiful
big fat love-ins
groovy free-ins
for lady greengrass
puff the trees turns tangerine
puff the sky is suddenly green
her eyes reveal her state of mind
she's beginning to fly
she's beginning to fly
to fly
to fly
to fly
to fly
> then who influenced who?
[...]
> --------------------
> My question is, what's the deal with the word Tangerine? Is this
> color different than orange (European acid),
-- can you elaborate on this point? are you saying there is/was a type of
european acid called (in english) 'orange'?
anyway, thanks Roger for posting the core of my original message above
to quickly summarize my position on this:
1) lady greengrass is obviously a symbol/personification of pot (eg
marijuana)
2) this song is about getting smoking pot and getting stoned: each 'puff'
is followed by an altered perception of reality -- (note here, it is
'tangerine' that rhymes with 'green')
Puff, the grass turns tangerine
Puff, the sky is suddenly green;
[...]
puff the trees turns tangerine
puff the sky is suddenly green
3) 'dream' is here a metaphor for tripping / being stoned (yes, I know
there is a difference but the use of acid and pot together is not ruled out
in this song and was quite common practice... at least until the '80s; in
fact, 'licking lollipops' and 'catching moondrops' are probably euphemisms
for ingesting acid... perhaps some of sources who experience the late 60s
could shed some light on this...
4) except for the sky turning green, the only other color mentioned here is
tangerine. what is normally green ('grass' -- that's lawn grass I quite
sure -- and 'trees') has now become tangerine dream... thus one might say
that the trip / dream has taken on a tangerine; thus this is a
tangerine-colored dream hence a tangerine dream. similarly in lucy and the
sky with diamonds, (which I thought, from our discussions at this time,
POST-dates lady greengrass) the 'tangerine trees' are a (cross-) reference
to the altered perception of reality during a drug-induced trip / dream
(you might compare it, roughly, to another euphemism: 'to look at the world
through rose-colored glasses' which means to see things overly
optimistically, to see everything as if it were 'rosy' or beautiful). lady
greengrass might just as easily have been called 'tangerine dream' because
that is what it is about.
so, it's all there in the song. the ones disbanded shortly after releasing
this single, edgar goes on to form tangerine dream shortly afterward (1967)
along with the ones vocalist charly prince; of course this initial group
soon disbanded and another reformed but this was the first formation of
tangerine dream... thus edgar would never have to have seen Kaleidoscope's
album 'tangerine dream' which also came out in 1967; besides, why would
edgar just have picked up the name tangerine dream from the kaleidoscope
album? what motivation would he have had? (BTW I have this album, if
anyone wants a tape, contact me off-list) there is nothing in the
kaleidoscope album to lend any credence to that theory; edgar has far more
tangible connections to the ones than to kaleidoscope. If Lucy post-dates
lady greengrass (which I think it does IIRC but I don't own any beatles)
then the beatles' song MUST be ruled out as a source for the band's name;
about this, there can be absolutely no question. the question, of course,
is whether 'tangerine dream' was a more common social euphemism in 1967-68;
if it had been, I suspect it would have come down to us in another
source...
call it Lars' theory or Lars' lunacy but it seems clear to me that the
band's name 'Tangerine Dream' really comes out of The Ones 'Lady
Greengrass' (perhaps also from an earier / exterior source) but NOT from
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (paul stump really drops the ball on this
one) and probably NOT from Kaleidoscope's album (since there is not
tangible connection between them) either.
It would be nice if someone could find out the original recording and
release date in 1967 for Kaleidoscope's album 'Tangerine Dream' -- since
both this album and Edgar's group appear in 1967. It might be that
Edgar/The Ones is the source for both Kaleidoscope and for Lucy -- although
this seems somewhat unlikely since TD apparently didn't play before jan
68... what is important, is that edgar apparently was at Dali's home
during late 67 and parts of 68; perhaps one could find intermediaries /
other sources in this mileau.
ciao
lars
PS can someone please post the *original dates* (recorded and released) and
lyrics for Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds so we could address this further??
thanks!!
PPS can someone with an original The Ones, please provide any info from the
sleeve / label for this discussion (like who is credited with the lyrics to
lady greengrass?
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Subject: Re: Re[2]: Surrealistic Name
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> From: tadream mailing list
> To: tadream@c...
> Subject: Re[2]: Surrealistic Name
> Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 8:39 AM
> Really-From: 'Roger Smith'
>
> My question is, what's the deal with the word Tangerine? Is this
> color different than orange (European acid), or just rhymes better
> with words like 'green?' I must say, however, the name Tangerine
> Dream is a wonderful one.
>
> Roger
>
'Tangerine' probably is another name for a drug (like acid or LSD) or
possibly to describe a particular affect from a certain drug's usage.
Thus the name 'Tangerine Dream' is in simmilar vein as 'LSD Trip'
??
Any possibility here, or have these roads been traveled many times before?
Greg H.
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Subject: CDR review: Streethawk Demo (rough cuts)
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
dreamers
life has a way of intruding on list reality at times and such is the case
with this review which is long overdue. I received the 2CDR set
'Streethawk Demo (rough cuts)' from a friend about a month ago but haven't
had the chance to post a review of it as I promised.
Due to my policy of not mentioning sources for this sort of material in the
public domain, I won't say where I got this from; however, if you contact
me off-list I will try to make the proper referral; I don't think it is too
expensive (something like $30?? but don't hold me to this, I got it in a
trade). If you don't want to buy it/can't afford it/can't get it, I'll be
happy to make tape copies from mine; contact me off-list)
This set contains a note stating that this is a limited release of 21
copies of which the first 6 have color labels and the first 11 a special
insert. the insert artwork comprises the covers from italian and uk single
releases of streehawk; the us 12' release and the tiergarten/streethawk
german release. the disc artwork is also taken from these covers.
The approximately 150 minutes of music contains 'rough cuts' of music taken
from the series pilot and from the 13 episodes of the series Streethawk.
(thanks to Stephen F, I recently had the chance to see the pilot... all I
can say is yuck, that was one bad series, may it rest in peace!) By 'rough
cuts' it means dubbed directlly from the tapes with voices, etc. edited out
for the most part, resulting in over 150 tracks on the CDRs (my preference
would have been for fewer indexed tracks, perhaps all the music from each
episode indexed as one with each rough cut sub-indexed since my cdr player
readout gives up after something like 60 tracks making this one impossible
to program with any accuracy...)
Additionally, CDR #2 contains, I believe, all the official 7' + 12' single
versions released for this series. As it is, this is the best
representation of the 30+ hours of TD material done for this series (come
on Chris Franke/sonic images, release it all!! maybe just knowing CF is
interested will be enough to light a fire under EF's you-know-what ;-) .
the recording/sound quality of the material on the CDRs ranges from fair to
very good; in general more towards very good. My one objection (of which
nothing could be done) was that it needed to have been run through a
'de-revving' software filter to remove all that damned motorcycle
rrrrrrrrrRRRRRR unnnhhHHHHHH. If that noise could have been removed, it
would clean up 95% of the spurious noise on the CDR set (voices, gunshots
and explosions making up most of the rest). again, there is really nothing
that can be done about this so one has to take it in stride since most of
the TD music here is chase music (so you know it has to be good). If
anything good could be said about this series, it was that it seems to have
been an appeal directly to the chase mentality of the male american (and
european) audiences -- a focus on action (and a corresponding decrease of
cheesy dialogue and plot) left more time for TD's music. Other than that,
the motorcycle remains a metaphor for the penis and actor riding it
certainly comes off like a dick.
OK, the TD music itself ranges from a ba-zillion remixes of the streethawk
theme to short 'stings' (what I would call somewhere between a 'tune' and a
sound effect <10-15 seconds) **BUT** it also contains some absolutely
wonderfully fantastic f'n **unreleased** TD material from the early 80s
(that's what you wanted to hear, wasn't it??). there is even (disc 1 track
64; again on disc 2 track 11) something that sounds really silver-y scale-y
that is brilliant (or is it something else? I can't place my fingers on
it... but I love it!). This CDR set is, in fact, a diamond in the rough,
once you cut away--mentally--the motorcycle noise, the million short tracks
(with predictably sudden endings), the funky dialogue 'you're already an
accomplice to one murder, don't make it two' (say it in a really forced and
unconvincing voice), the gun shots etc, you find that you are left with
something that is crystal clear--fantastic unreleased TD music the likes of
which we have never heard before. there is some wonderful sequencer work
here (of course, like most sound tracks, it doesn't continue on long enough
but perhaps that will change if an official release ever happens...). this
is schmoelling era TD at its best. (even some tangram stuff! disc 2;
35-37)
I applaud the person who finally had the good sense to put this music in
the fans' domain. it was long overdue. I look forward to future releases
(I hope) of material from TD's other unreleased soundtracks.
despite my minor criticisms (most of which are inconsequential) this is a
great set. in summary, get it NOW, before it is GONE.
Lars
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Really-From: Lawrysimm
Does anyone have any ideas why my last e-mail to the list (and maybe this one
too :-( ) looked like such a bunch of horseshit? Since I got banned from
this list at work and tried to give AOL a go, I've had nothing but trouble.
:-(
Any offers of hints and tips greatly received.
Thanks,
Lawry
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Subject: Re: rockoon-spotting
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Really-From: DAVENTURA
Another film that features TD is Valley Girl...In one scene Nicholas Cage and
Deborah Foreman are in some kind of mall or fast food place. If you look
closely at Nick's Shirt, you'll see what can only be Tangerine Dream. Black T-
Shirt with red letters...Pretty cool...Daventura
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Subject: TD Ticker Web Page
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Really-From: Vic Rek
Merry Christmas Elfs, Gnomes, and other dreaming creatures...
No, this is not Tom Cruise speaking..
I have bookmarked my browser long ago for the 'TD What's On?' page. The
last update that I see is Oct. 17, 1997! This does not seem current. For
all that's been happening I'm quite surprised that this page is not current.
By the way, my past experience has been that the MOST current information is
on this list! So another reason why this list should remain strong for 1998!
I think that most people on this list are real, even though some come and go
and flake out...
I wish 'ya'll' a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!
Vic
BTW, Start thinking about who wants to take over the D: thread in late Feb.
early March.
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Please post: The Keep Limited Edition
*****************************************************
TANGERINE DREAM'S 'THE KEEP'
AUTOGRAPHED LIMITED EDITION
A SPECIAL OFFER
*******************************************************
TDI announces a special LIMITED EDITION release of THE KEEP CD especially
for its North American fans. As an added incentive, the first 50 copies of
the special release
will be autographed by Edgar and Jerome Froese.
For a LIMITED TIME ONLY, fans will be able to procure one copy apiece of
this special release (TDI010CD) for just $20 including P&H, so act NOW.
Visa, Mastercard, American Express & Discover are accepted.
This limited edition (similar to those copies sold at the Tang's highly
successful UK tour) will only be available through TDI's new North American
distributor. For further information, please contact:
Mary Exmaz
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Date: Tue Dec 23, 1997 5:35
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Subject: Get Those New Releases!
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
I think this might be hard to believe, but
http://www.massmusic.com
has all the latest realeases by TD except 'The Keep' and 'Jim and Pablo'
I saw 'Dream Mixes 2 Timesquare', 'Ambient Monkeys'
'Canyon Dreams DVD was for 16.95 dollars
a number of other International Albums as well..
They say these are imports... and I looked and they all have
short descriptions of the albums, so someone took the time to write about
all of 'em!
I can't say anything about their service, but I assume if they take all
that time to inform the customer and even provide samples of music in Real
Audio.. I would think it would be safe to order through them.
Greg H.
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Subject: Re: TD Ticker Web Page
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Really-From: stefan@b... (Stefan Stapelberg)
Hi,
On Dec 23, 0:18, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: TD Ticker Web Page
> I have bookmarked my browser long ago for the 'TD What's On?' page. The
> last update that I see is Oct. 17, 1997! This does not seem current. For
last update was on Nov, 6th.
Sorry guys, but if there aren't any news, we can't hardly update the page.
An update was planned for December, but having much other work to
do (remember, the TD site is a completely spare-time project), it
will have to be done during the holidays, although there is still
much other work to be done.
Holidays? What are holidays? ;-)
Best whishes to y'all,
Stefan
--
Stefan Stapelberg Fon: +49-9352-89948 RENT-A-GURU (TM)
Fax: +49-9352-89949 P.O. Box 1358
http://www.netstore.de/ D-97803 Lohr/Main
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Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
> TANGERINE DREAM'S 'THE KEEP'
> AUTOGRAPHED LIMITED EDITION
> A SPECIAL OFFER
>TDI announces a special LIMITED EDITION release of THE KEEP CD especially
>for its North American fans.
>
Lars, someone is going to be bringing you a big sack of
coal this Christmas...
- jim
'There's no shame in being a pariah...' - Marge Simpson
jimbo@v... is Jim Moore - Atlanta, GA
Home page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
>>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>>TDI announces a special LIMITED EDITION release of THE KEEP CD
>>especially for its North American fans.
>>
>
>Lars, someone is going to be bringing you a big sack of
>coal this Christmas...
-- damn, someone must have gotten a hold of my e-mail address ... again!
cease and desist you villan!
lars
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Really-From: PENFOLD
At 08:20 199712.23 -0500, tadream mailing list wrote:
>Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
>>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>> TANGERINE DREAM'S 'THE KEEP'
>> AUTOGRAPHED LIMITED EDITION
>> A SPECIAL OFFER
>>TDI announces a special LIMITED EDITION release of THE KEEP CD especially
>>for its North American fans.
>>
>
>Lars, someone is going to be bringing you a big sack of
>coal this Christmas...
Have you ever met some of the Cacaphony Society's Rampaging Santas?
I'm talking lots more coal
Pete
mailto:penfold@a...
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the
road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of
Tangerine Dream), on the easy way t
hey decide on which instruments to take on the road.
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 12:14 AM 12/23/1997 -0500, Lars wrote:
>Please post: The Keep Limited Edition
> *****************************************************
>
> TANGERINE DREAM'S 'THE KEEP'
>
> AUTOGRAPHED LIMITED EDITION
>
> A SPECIAL OFFER
>
> *******************************************************
>
>TDI announces a special LIMITED EDITION release of THE KEEP CD
especially
>for its North American fans. As an added incentive, the first
50 copies of
>the special release
>will be autographed by Edgar and Jerome Froese.
>
>For a LIMITED TIME ONLY, fans will be able to procure one copy apiece of
>this special release (TDI010CD) for just $20 including P&H, so
act NOW.
>Visa, Mastercard, American Express & Discover are accepted.
[....]
NOT funny!!! :-) :-)
Andrew
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
You know...you *had* me. I was already launching Netscape in another
window to see if this was for real...and then I reached the end of the
message...you nasty, nasty man!
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Really-From: Vic Rek
Don't you know that Lars likes to pull at least one prank like this a year.
What was the last one? Oh ya, the Ultima Thule find!
Vic
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Really-From: Michael Fox
NEWSFLASH!!!!! XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX NEWSFLASH!!!!!!
THE SOUND OF STEVEN FELDMAN'S ERECTION HITTING THE UNDERSIDE OF HIS DESK
REGISTERED A 2.4 ON THE RICHTER SCALE HERE IN SOUTHERN INDIANA! NO LOSS OF
LIFE WAS INCURED.
You are a wicked man, Lars! LOL!!!
Mike
At 12:14 AM 12/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Please post: The Keep Limited Edition
> *****************************************************
>
> TANGERINE DREAM'S 'THE KEEP'
>
> AUTOGRAPHED LIMITED EDITION
>
> A SPECIAL OFFER
>
> *******************************************************
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: KEEP Hoax: Lump of Coal in Yer Left Testicle, Buddy! :( ;)
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Re: The Keep Limited Edition
>Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:33:28 -0800 (PST)
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
>You know...you *had* me. I was already launching Netscape in another
>window to see if this was for real... [. . .]
You think *that's* bad -- reading that post caused me to use the F
word loudly in a roomful of undergraduates, setting a really bad example
of what grad students are like. I think I exclaimed, 'You fuckheads!'
(referring to TDI and/or the TD website) about three separate times
before getting to the e-mail address which tipped me off -- or should I
say 'ticked me off'? ;)
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
, and BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, Jonn Serrie, Robert Carty.
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| 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! |
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Subject: THE KEEP/u dirty rat
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
>Please post: The Keep Limited Edition
> *****************************************************
>
> TANGERINE DREAM'S 'THE KEEP'
>
> AUTOGRAPHED LIMITED EDITION
>
> A SPECIAL OFFER
>
> *******************************************************
Lars lars lars,
Remember the boy who cried wolf???? LOL
Chris
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Really-From: TangerineC
Instant Karma's gonna get you, Lars!!!!! :)
In a message dated 97-12-23 15:31:38 EST, you write:
<< TANGERINE DREAM'S 'THE KEEP'
>
> AUTOGRAPHED LIMITED EDITION
>
> A SPECIAL OFFER
>
> *******************************************************
>>
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Date: Tue Dec 23, 1997 9:47
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Really-From: DAVENTURA
Can't really believe that some readers are that gullible...Didn't they see the
website address? I want to wish ALL of you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New
Year. Does anyone else think that TD should release an album of Xmas covers. I
predict it would sell in the millions. It would do at least as good as that
Mannheim Steamroller crap.
Best wishes to everyone for a safe Holiday.....David
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Date: Tue Dec 23, 1997 10:56
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Subject: help about boots
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Really-From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?=
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fern=E1ndez?=
Sorry for my english. I have many boots, but I have many doubts about the
real content of them.
Can anybody help me and say me the real trackS list of these boots?:
3 TIER DREAM
3 TIER DREAM ON
ABSOLUTELY HYPNOTIZED
ACOUSTIC LSD
ALIEN AIR MUSIC
ARDEM 'O'
COLLECTED ENDINGS
DANGER LIVE
DON'T WALL DREAM NOW
DREAMING
DREAM IS ALWAYS THE SAME, THE
DREAMTIME
FRACTAL REALITIES IN A SHATTERED PLANE
ME-RAD
ORANGES FROM FRANCE
PARISIANS DREAM - TEKNIKON
PATROLLING SPACE BORDERS
R.W.FASSBINDER MEMORIAL CONCERT
SINGET DENN DER GESANG VERTREIBT
SONAMBULISTIC IMAGERY
SOUNDTRACK FOR FANTASY
SPACE TRUCKING
SPHERICAL HARMONICS ONE
SPHERICAL HARMONICS TWO
TAPE TRAX 2
TRANSFER BLUE NIGHT
Thanks
Pepe
JOSE FERNANDEZ GARCIA
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Date: Tue Dec 23, 1997 9:57
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Subject: TD Spotting
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Really-From: draco@g...
Daventura wrote:
>Another film that features TD is Valley Girl...In one scene Nicholas
>Cage and Deborah Foreman are in some kind of mall or fast food place.
>If you look closely at Nick's Shirt, you'll see what can only be
>Tangerine Dream. Black TShirt with red letters...Pretty
>cool...Daventura
Nicholas Cage can also be spotted wearing a Tangerine Dream t-shirt
in the film Raising Arizona. Is he a fan?!?
Gary P.
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Date: Wed Dec 24, 1997 12:12
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Subject: Merry X-mas
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Really-From: FredYargui
Hi and Merry Christmas to every TD-fan ; have nice music program during this
so-called magic night. BTW, if you want images from '3 o'clock high' just have
a look at : http://members.aol.com/FredYargui/3oclock.html ; my page does not
contain much material, but this is a beginning!
Cheers,
Fred
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Subject: Merry Christmas
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Really-From: Jorge Moreira
I Wish to All a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year,
Jorge Moreira
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Date: Wed Dec 24, 1997 12:18
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
Does anyone else think that TD should release an album of Xmas covers. I
> predict it would sell in the millions. It would do at least as good as
that
> Mannheim Steamroller crap.
I personally don't think TD could do as well a job as Mannheim can, at
least in TD's present state.
They get more true emotions out of the songs (make it more evident) than
the originals..
now I don't need all rock versions of Xmas songs.. and ambient junk
floating around to a 'DM' backbeat..
I think Edgar said it best himself by saying he dosn't want to do a
'tear-jerking' commercial holiday album.
Kitaro's Xmas album sucked.. and he even had some analog instruments going
in it as well.
Most New Agers make Xmas albums but I don't think it's TDs place to do
things like that.
Then again there's Hanson's 'Snowed In' which my girlfriend loves, but it
drives me up the wall..
Browsing my local music store.. we got ENOUGH.. Xmas albums already!
I know I know.. I'm a sock drenched in gasoline at the moment..
=)
Greg H.
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Date: Wed Dec 24, 1997 12:35
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Subject: Re: Horseshit mail
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Really-From: AOutland
In a message dated 97-12-22 18:20:24 EST, you write:
<<
Does anyone have any ideas why my last e-mail to the list (and maybe this one
too :-( ) looked like such a bunch of horseshit? Since I got banned from
this list at work and tried to give AOL a go, I've had nothing but trouble.
:-(
Any offers of hints and tips greatly received.
Thanks,
Lawry
>>
I'm not sure what you mean by 'horseshit' but if that's the same as words
looking like Hieroglyphics then what you need is the new Netscape browser. I
am also on AOL and was having trouble reading the TD web page, plus other
places so I went to their (AOL's) site and complained. They downloaded the
instructions for the new browser and my problems were over. Dell
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Date: Wed Dec 24, 1997 12:59
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Subject: Re: The Keep Limited Edition
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In a message dated 97-12-23 08:27:11 EST, you write:
<< >TDI announces a special LIMITED EDITION release of THE KEEP CD especially
>for its North American fans.
>
Lars, someone is going to be bringing you a big sack of
coal this Christmas...
>>
Sigh. You mean this really IS a joke? 'Cause I just tried to order it.
Phoo. Dell
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Date: Wed Dec 24, 1997 2:31
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Subject: Re: mannheim steamroller (was: keep the %&$*@ THE KEEP)
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Really-From: TWeibre361
In a message dated 97-12-23 17:16:30 EST, you write:
<< It would do at least as good as that
Mannheim Steamroller crap. >>
first it was eno, then it was ambient, then it was schulze, now this? if it
werent the holidays, battle stations would be manned...
ho ho ho
tom w
np: all that crap u guys ragged about: 1.) music for airports 2.) namlook VII
3.) schulze jubilee disc 1 (yes all 28 hours for xmas) and 4.) mannheim
steamroller loves xmas (just kidding)
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Date: Wed Dec 24, 1997 4:13
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Subject: For Sale
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Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
Say,
Anyone want to buy any of the following partial TD soundtracks for US$7
(including shipping) - let me know privately. All are in very good
condition.
Three O'Clock High
Legend
Risky Business
Thanks,
Larry Smith
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Date: Wed Dec 24, 1997 4:39
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Subject: 'Tournado'
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
I just got 'Tournado' and well.. as much as I wanted this album, it all
sounds so familiar...
I don't think ever in TD's history has certain toons been shoved into our
ears so many times.. not that it's bad music, it's in fact very good, but
the album can be peiced together from four other albums, the oldest of
which is 6 years old and the youngest being just over a year old.
One interesting thing worth noting is all the 'Dream Mixes' takes use the
sorce material track names. This might mean that the reworked versions of
these tracks found on 'DM' are the 'definative' (in other words, better)
versions of these songs.
Is it just me, or does 'Girls on Broadway' just dosn't seem to fit in with
the other tracks?
'Flashflood' is one of the best tracks on there, and it sounds very much
like the original.
The bridges are at times wonderful..especially that really cool part
between '220 Volt' and 'Firetounges'. Another good bridge is the awesome
section between 'Lanb with radar eyes' and 'Touchwood'.
In all, it's good, but I wasn't surprised.. good job everyone for not
putting my hopes too high on this one doing down to earth reviews of this.
Greg H.
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Date: Wed Dec 24, 1997 8:37
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Subject: Manning Guns on Mannheim
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In a message dated 97-12-23 21:09:30 EST, you write:
<<< It would do at least as good as that
Mannheim Steamroller crap. >>>
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At 21:39 199712.23 -0700, tadream mailing list wrote:
>Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> 'Flashflood' is one of the best tracks on there, and it sounds very much
>like the original.
> The bridges are at times wonderful..especially that really cool part
>between '220 Volt' and 'Firetounges' and 'Touchwood'.
Hear! Hear!
And the survey says!.....
AS#8
Pete
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'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the
road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of
Tangerine Dream), on the easy way t
hey decide on which instruments to take on the road.
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Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182
Since it's the last day before Christmas, and I'm not doing much at work,
perhaps someone would like to consider the following :
Why are there no French people on this list?
We have Britons, Americans, Canadians (do some of you consider yourself
French?), Germans, Australians, Dutch, Belgians, Poles, Rumanians, Chinese
(well, Hong-Kongers(?)), Spaniards, Portugeuse, etc. (sorry if I missed
anyone).
Are TD unknown in France? Are the French concerned only with JMJ and Lightwave>
Or do the French not have computers?
Just a thought.
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The only good thing Davis has done so far is use Richard Burmer!!!
Ed Wilson
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Hi all
I just want to Wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year,
Hopefully 1998 will be as an exiting TD year as the previous year has
been.
I guess we are looking forward to a year wich will be hard on our
economy with lots of output from out favourite band...
Kent
tadream mailing list wrote:
> Why are there no French people on this list?
>
> We have Britons, Americans, Canadians (do some of you consider
> yourself French?), Germans, Australians, Dutch, Belgians, Poles,
> Rumanians, Chinese (well, Hong-Kongers(?)), Spaniards, Portugeuse,
> etc. (sorry if I missed anyone).
and Danes too... ;-)
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At 10:59 24/12/97 +0000, you wrote:
>
>Why are there no French people on this list?
Hi, Craig
Yes, there is a french in tadream list: my friend Fred. He always write in
english.
'C'est un bon connaisseur de TD'.
Pepe
JOSE FERNANDEZ GARCIA
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'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> wrote:
>PS can someone please post the *original dates* (recorded and released)
>and lyrics for Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds so we could address this
>further?? thanks!!
Hello Lars,
Here is the answer to your request about the Beatles tune.
'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds'
Recording commenced in studio two at Abbey Road on March 1 1967. Album
version mixed from take eight. Album release date in the UK: June 1
1967.
Lyrics
Picture yourself in a boat on a river
with tangerine trees and marmalade skies
somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly,
a girl with kaleidoscope eyes.
cellophane flowers of yellow and green,
towering over your head.
look for the girl with the sun in her eyes,
and she's gone.
lucy in the sky with diamonds,
follow her down to a bridge by a fountain
where rocking horse people eat marshmallow pies,
everyone smiles as you drift past the flowers,
that grow so incredibly high.
newspaper taxis appear on the shore,
waiting to take you away.
climb in the back with your head in the clouds,
and you're gone.
lucy in the sky with diamonds,
picture yourself on a train in a station,
with plasticine porters with looking glass ties,
suddenly someone is there at the turnstile,
the girl with kaleidoscope eyes.
(Sorry if there is any typo, I used my 'two-fingers-scanner)
ob TD content: I just can't believe now why I also *did* believe in your
'The Keep' joke! Have a Happy 'Exmaz' :-)
Antonio
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In a message dated 97-12-24 03:42:11 EST, you write:
<< ***Ion cannon sight-reading: 'Mannheim Steamroller' slot of in-store New
Age music section...preparing to fire...five...four...three...two...one....
Decking Chip Davis's halls with nuclear waste, fa-la-la-la-la, la-la,
la-la... >>
hope its a big ass cannon becuz the steamroller section at my local dealer is
pretty flippin' large...
np: mouse on mars - twift ep
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
> call it Lars' theory or Lars' lunacy but it seems clear to me that the
> band's name 'Tangerine Dream' really comes out of The Ones 'Lady
> Greengrass' (perhaps also from an earier / exterior source) but NOT from
> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (paul stump really drops the ball on this
> one) and probably NOT from Kaleidoscope's album (since there is not
> tangible connection between them) either.
>
I looked for info about LIDWD and here it is something I 've got:
february 1967
-- Studio 2. 7.00pm-3.00am. Recording: `Lucy In The Sky With
Diamonds' (rehearsal only). Producer: George Martin;
Engineer: Geoff Emerick; 2nd Engineer: Richard Lush.
March 1967
-- Studio 2. 7.00pm-2.15am. Recording: `A Day In The Life' (overdub
onto take 6); `Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds' (take 1-7, tape
reduction take 7 into take 8). Producer: George Martin; Engineer:
Geoff Emerick; 2nd Engineer: Richard Lush.
-- Day planned for Brian's vacation trip to Mexico.
November 1967
-- Abbey Road, Room 53. 10.00am-1.00pm. Mono mixing: `All You
Need Is Love' (remix 11, from take 58); `Lucy In The Sky
With Diamonds' (remix 20, from take 8). Producer: George
Martin; Engineer: Geoff Emerick; 2nd Engineer: Richard Lush.
Studio 3 (control room only). 2.30-6.00pm. Recording:
`Untitled Sound Effects' (take 20); `Hello, Goodbye' (tape
reduction take 21 into takes 22-25). Stereo mixing: `The
Fool On The Hill' (remixes 1-5, from take 6). Editing: `The
Fool On The Hill' (of remix stereo 5). Producer: George
Martin; Engineer: Geoff Emerick; 2nd Engineer: Graham
Kirkby.
Mono mixing of `All You Need Is Love' and `Lucy In The Sky
With Diamonds' for the `Yellow Submarine' film. Sound effects:
applauses, for the `Yellow Submarine' film.
So in november LIDSWD was still in production. ( the ONES were definitively over
at that time) so Lady Greengrass has been published first ( and Tangerine Dream
was founded in september, so .... no connection with Lucy in the sky)
Finally I loved this thread !!. It's one of the reasons why we should be
subscribed
Thanks Lars for sharing with us your theory that from now on is officially named
'LARS THEORY' and at least you have one supporter: Me.
I think it to be the real origin of the name; although I understand Edgar's
desire
to hide it.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYBODY !!!
---Francisco
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Merry
Christmas
Chanukah
Kwanzaa
or whatever other holiday you may be celebrating at this time of year...
and a happy new year to all
may 1998 bring us all ever-fresh new dream(s),
Gabe
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HI ALL !
Would just like to echo the earlier sentiments and wish the Tangs and
all T-Dreamers everywhere a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Highlights from 1997 for me;
Tournado - The most powerful TD album in a while
The Keep - Outstanding !!!!!!!!!!
Seeing the Tangs live in Bristol on October 29th
(The last time was Southampton University 24th November 1973)
I treated myself to a Xmas Present Today - I purchased Tangents.
So no Christmas Carols for me just some great music and some good wine.
Peace on Earth
Terry
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> Quoted From: DAVENTURA
>
> Year. Does anyone else think that TD should release an album of Xmas covers. I
> predict it would sell in the millions. It would do at least as good as that
> Mannheim Steamroller crap.
> Best wishes to everyone for a safe Holiday.....David
>
I asked that in the TDIFC newsletter years back!!! And they included it
on the webpage's 101 Q & A section (I think it's in the 80's). Anyway, I
like the way they slammed me with the response! I was laughing pretty
good when I first read it! Anyway, I do enjoy listening to the first 2
Mannheim Christmas albums now and then this time of year. :-) Merry Christmas everyone!
Dave B.
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Subject: Re: TD albums in film
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> Quoted From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>
> regarding td album art in films, I haven't seen any but I can't begin to
> count the number of people (main characters and extras) that I've seen
> wearing TD shirts in films... I wish I could remember some of the titles
> ..
Hi Lars! :-)
Well, I think at least some of us here are familiar with the Tangram
album sighting in 'This is Spinal Tap' when they were in a record store
to sign copies of their album _Smell the Glove_. (gotta love that title!)
Brewski
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Subject: Re: The Keep Limited Edition
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Seasoned greetings!
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>TDI announces a special LIMITED EDITION release of THE KEEP CD especially
>for its North American fans. As an added incentive, the first 50 copies of
>the special release will be autographed by Edgar and Jerome Froese.
You forgot to mention that the Talisman(tm) emblem embossed on the cover is
made from the melted down remains of the actual prop used in the film! And
that the ink in the pens used to autograph the special copies has been
mixed with the glow-in-the-dark Glaeken's Blood(tm)!
'two lumps of coal' goozer
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Subject: Re: help about boots
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> Quoted From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?=
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fern=E1ndez?= >
>
> Sorry for my english. I have many boots, but I have many doubts about the
> real content of them.
> Can anybody help me and say me the real trackS list of these boots?:
>
I'll try to help with the few I have...
> 3 TIER DREAM
> 3 TIER DREAM ON
Most of the stuff on these are unreleased, and I wouldn't know the names
of them. But on 3TD disc 2, there is a track from Risky Business, that we
just had a discussion on not too long ago, and I can't recall the name!!!
There's also bits of Force Majeure and Remote Viewing there, and the
beginning and ending of the disc vaguely resemble the beginning and
ending of Logos.
Disc 3 and 3TD On's contents were just divulged by myself a week or so
back, but here it is again:
3TD disc 3: Intro/Stratosfear 1986/Unreleased/Zen Garden (remix)/Scuba
Scuba (remix)/unreleased Bonus tracks: Speed/Das Maedchen auf der
Treppe (played at 33 rpm)
3TD On: Dolphin Dance (extended)/Ride on the Ray (vermilion mix w/ guitar
duo)/Going West/Yellowstone Park/Underwater Twilight (put-in-a-blender
remix)/unreleased Bonus track: Cliffs of Sydney (demo mix)
(as before, the subtitles like 'vermilion mix' and 'put-in-a-blender
remix' are my own creations)
> ME-RAD
As far as I know, all of this stuff is unreleased improvisings, so I
don't know of any 'official' track names. (situation similar to 3TD disc 1)
> PATROLLING SPACE BORDERS
Same as Me-Rad.
> SPHERICAL HARMONICS ONE
> SPHERICAL HARMONICS TWO
SH1: Mothers of Rain/After the Call/Tyger (instrumental)/Alchemy of the
Heart (excerpt)/Piano Solo (Paul)/Phaedra/Livemiles Pt 1B/Livemiles Pt
1C/Logos Blue Part/Untitled in 3 parts/Interlude (Ralf)
SH2: Guitar Solo (Edgar & Paul)/Cat Scan/Atlas Eyes/Marakesh/Percussion
Solo (Ralf)/Ghazal Encores - Alexander Square/Waldstein Sonata excerpt
(Paul)/Sun Gate/The Midnight Trail/House of the Rising Sun
I think someone posted actual titles for that excellent section I called
'Untitled in 3 Parts', but I don't have it, and I can't recall what was
said. :-( I'm surprised I can remember as much as I do! (everything's
listed from memory, since I don't have a computer at home, so I apologise
for any errors!)
>
> Thanks
>
I hope this helped, and I wasn't just clogging everyone's mailboxes with
shit! :-)
Dave B.
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Seasons greetings!
I wish everyone here a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
goozer
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Seasoned bleatings!
>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>***Ion cannon sight-reading: 'Mannheim Steamroller' slot of in-store New
>Age music section...preparing to fire...five...four...three...two...one....
>
>Decking Chip Davis's halls with nuclear waste, fa-la-la-la-la, la-la,
>la-la...
IMHO, everything they released before '86 (including the first Christmas
project) is worth owning, especially Christmas and Fresh Aire V! After
that, when they started using synths more and more, they pretty much suck.
They've fallen into a version of the Kitaro Trap(tm); release the same
sweet, pretty, *synthetic* nonsense over and over and over and over...
'bah, humbug' goozer
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> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
> I still like FRESH AIRE V, though.
>
>
>
Heck yah, though a good sound system, that album rocks..
Guess where Edgar got his Harpsichord from?
HAHHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAA!
copycat =)
Actually I like the blend of acoustic and electric instruments--that's
probably why I like Davis' album.. at least some of them.
Greg H.
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
OK, Thanks Antonio and Francisco for your work... we have some conflicting
information, however, so could you guys please cite your sources so we
might compare them and verify/double check? thanks guys!
also, can anyone find out about promo releases for Lucy in the Sky? when,
where, and what? thanks! also release dates in germany for sgt. pepper...
I did some searching for kaleidoscope, but didn't find a whole lot,
perhaps someone can refer me to some definitive web site? All I know is
that (UK group) Kaleidoscope's LP TD was released in 67 on the Fontana
label and reissued (several years later) on the 5 hours back label; I
couldn't get its recorded and/or exact release dates. I did read on
all-music guide that Kaleidoscope was mostly underground british pop and
never achieved an interntional status... of course, that might mean that
they were never big in the US... and that still doesn't tell us about
germany... I tend to suspect that the Kaleidoscope and (our) Tangerine
Dream connection is non-existent and coincidental, just like there were two
Tranquillity Bass groups (US and UK) and there was even a US psychedelic
pop group named kaleidoscope at the same time as the british group. that
leaves only the beatles-ones connection to hammer out
btw I think the acid we were looking for was 'orange sunshine' ...
anyone anyone?
thanks
lars
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Subject: resend francisco's post please
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can someone please resend me a copy of francisco's post on Lucy in the Sky?
thanks I deleted mine by accident
lars
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Really-From: Lauren and Jessica Frick
Greets, all!
Mark:
Have a wonderful holiday season, and I hope it's prosperous for you.
May next year be a much better more stable one for you, and may you
rejoin us on tadream! :-)
All:
Could someone forward to me Mark's address/phone? I'd like to give him
a call sometime... :-)
Happy holidays!! :-)
Later
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Gee, since so far the only 'discussion' of this disc has been two guys
exchanging lame jokes...(just kidding, I'm sure they are funny to you two)
;-)
I think this is one of the strongest solo TD efforts. I bought this and Songs
No Words at the same time, so that tells you how long it took me to hear this,
almost ten years after its making. You can tell Johannes had recently left
TD. His stuff after that seems a marked departure from TD's style, while
this is more similar, IMO. Though the song Matjora is Still Alive seems to
garner the most praise, I really like Zeit (interesting coincidence on the
title?), and the two-part title track. What I love best about Schmoelling's
solo work is it seems both simple and complex at the same time. He is a great
storyteller through his music, too. He is great at evoking images. For
example, Walking on Wooden Legs sounds just like, well, walking on wooden
legs, of course! :-)
Quite often, the music I end up liking best, I don't like at first. When I
ordered the two CDs I own by JS, I didn't care much for either. I was
particularly put off by Songs No Words, since it doesn't sound very
electronic. Now I love both of them. I sure hope Zoo of Tranquility and
White Out get reissued soon.
Merry Christmas all. I hope everyone has a good one.
Phil Derby
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Further to the recent post regarding the CD's I have for sale please
find below the revised list. It appears there were a couple of errors on
the list that crept in somehow. All CD's are now priced at 4 pounds each
or $7. Pleas quote this price when asking about any you are interested
in.
Ashra - Sunrain
Bilinski, Marek - Ogrod Krola Switu
Biry, Daniel - 'YS'
Broguiere, Patrick - Icones
Bryan, Morgan - Under Every Sky
Budd, Harold - By The Dawns Early Light
Coral Cave - Impressions Of Science
Exchange - Into The Night
Fervant, Thierry - Univers
Danna & Clement - North Of Niagra
Hanford, Jan - Vespers
Holroyd, Bob - Fluidity & Structure
Jenkins, Mark - Space Dreams 2
Kater, Peter - Homage
Kerr , John - 3 X 3 Plus 2
Kerr, John - Wet Dreams
Kilbey, Steve - Earthed
Kimara - One Reality
Loreau, Bertrand - Priere
Loreau, Bertrand - Sur Le Chemin
Neuber, Hans Peter - Infinities
O' Hearn, Patrick - Ancient Dreams
O' Hearn, Patrick - Rivers Gonna Rise
Schroder, Robert - Harmonic Ascendant
Schulze/Grosser - Babel
Vangelis - Heaven & Hell
Vangelis - Oceanic
Vangelis - Voices
Vangelis - Themes
Van Tieghem, David - Strange Cargo
Van Tieghem., David - Safety In Numbers
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
Hello!
Hope everybody on this list to be enjoying the Christmas day!
Well, my info came from:
http://bobcat.bbn.com/bobcatftp/pub/beatles/dates/
But since I saw no reference to the release of this song ( I didn't know
which LP was it released in) and Antonio did I rechecked other sites and
found at
http://macul.ciencias.uchile.cl/~vmunoz/
a search engine that told me 'Lucy..' was released in
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band [LP: Parlophone PMC 7027 (UK) (mono) /
PCS 7027 (UK) (stereo)]
and in USA
Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band [LP: Capitol MAS-2653 (USA) (mono) /
MAS-2653 (USA) (stereo)]
The UK version was released, as Antonio said :
Release date
UK: 1 June 1967
USA: 2 June 1967
Tracks list
Side A
1.Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
2.With A Little Help From My Friends
3.Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
4.Getting Better
5.Fixing A Hole
6.She's Leaving Home
7.Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite!
Side B
1.Within You Without You
2.When I'm Sixty-Four
3.Lovely Rita
4.Good Morning Good Morning
5.Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)
6.A Day In The Life
the USA
The dates archive said:
june, 1967
-- UK LP release: `Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band'.
-- De Lane Lea Music Recording Studios. Time unknown.
Recording: `Untitled' (no numbered takes). Producer: George Martin;
Engineer: Dave Siddle; 2nd Engineer: Mike Weighell.
Recording of instrumental jamming.
-- Press reception, on occasion of `Sgt Pepper's Lonely
Hearts Club Band' release.
So I wonder why that remix in november, what for ?
I looked at the song archives and found about LUCY:
--------------------------------------------
Author credits
John Lennon/Paul McCartney
Studio sessions
28 February 1967
1 March 1967
2 March 1967
3 March 1967
7 April 1967
1 November 1967
Musicians
2 lead vocals: John
2 backing vocals: Paul
Acoustic guitar: John
Bass, Hammond organ: Paul
Lead guitar: George
Drums: Ringo
Piano, maraca, tamboura
Sound effects
Hammond organ taped with a special organ-stop.
Rythm track (piano, acoustic guitar, drums, maraca, Hammond organ, tamboura)
recorded with tape at 49 cycles/sec when reducted from
tape 7 into take 8.
First lead vocal and backing vocals (backing with occassional tape echo)
recorded at 45 cycles/sec. Second lead vocal recorded at 48
1/2 cycles/sec.
Bass, lead guitar (fuzzed) recorded at normal speed.
Extensive ADT.
------------------------------------------------------------
I looked at the 1 nov 67 session and found the same :
1967
Abbey Road, Room 53. 10.00am-1.00pm. Mono mixing: `All You Need Is Love'
(remix 11, from take 58); `Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds' (remix 20, from
take 8). Producer: George Martin; Engineer: Geoff Emerick; 2nd Engineer:
Richard Lush.
Studio 3 (control room only). 2.30-6.00pm. Recording: `Untitled Sound
Effects'(take 20); `Hello, Goodbye' (tape reduction take 21 into takes
22-25). Stereo mixing: `The Fool On The Hill' (remixes 1-5, from take 6).
Editing: `The Fool On The Hill' (of remix stereo 5). Producer: George Martin;
Engineer: Geoff Emerick; 2nd Engineer: Graham Kirkby.
Mono mixing of `All You Need Is Love' and `Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds' for
the `Yellow Submarine' film. Sound effects: applauses, for the `Yellow
Submarine' film.
So I suppose ths remix is for the 'Yellow Submarine' movie.
Well this clarify things and:
LUCY was released the 1st of june as track Nr 3 of 'Snt. Pepers...' LP
Antonio wrote the lyrics already so we need to know when Lady Greengrass was
released.-
I checked at cdeurope.com, a music store having a huge archive of current and
out of print records and found nothing. So, please, Gooier, Stephen, or
anybody here if you have the original Lady green grass/love of mine 7',
please tell us the release date.
---francisco
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Craig R. J. Cordrey wrote :
> Why are there no French people on this list?
There is (at least) one french : I'm french.
> Are TD unknown in France?
Maybe today. But in the 70's TD was very famous in France
and the concerts they gave was 'sold out'.
I went in 2 of them ; that was a dream trip.
> Are the French concerned only with JMJ and Lightwave.
I don't know Lightwave.
> Or do the French not have computers?
I just discover again TD with internet ;
I didn't imagine they was still on the road.
By the way what do you think about Ron Boots ?
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'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> wrote:
>OK, Thanks Antonio and Francisco for your work... we have some conflicting
>information, however, so could you guys please cite your sources so we
>might compare them and verify/double check? thanks guys!
I don't think there's any conflicting information. I wrote:
>Recording commenced in studio two at Abbey Road on March 1 1967.
>Album release date in the UK: June 1 1967.
And Francisco wrote:
> March 1967
> `Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds' (take 1-7, tape
> reduction take 7 into take 8).
>
> November 1967
> Mono mixing: `All You Need Is Love' (remix 11, from take 58);
> `Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds' (remix 20, from take 8).
> Mono mixing of `All You Need Is Love' and `Lucy In The Sky
> With Diamonds' for the `Yellow Submarine' film.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So, the apparent conflicting information is because there was a further
mono remix of LITSYD for the 'Yellow Submarine' film. The album had been
recorded in stereo.
I think it's a fact that the release date of 'Sgt.Peppers' in the UK was
June 1, 1967. I have two sources for this date: The All-music guide at
http://www.allmusic.com/cgi-win/amg.exe?sql=1A_IDR|||||1521
and 'The Beatles' rock legends CD-ROM. This is the information in the
CD-ROM:
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
UK date release: 01/06/67 Parlophone PMC 7027/PCS 7027
US date release: 02/06/67 Capitol SMAS 2653
(Dates are in European format DD/MM/YY)
So it's still not clear which one came out first. Another curiosity is
the use of the word 'kaleidoscope' in the LITSWD lyrics (a girl with
kaleidoscope eyes). Maybe just another coincidence.
Antonio
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Hi there,
Vic wrote
>
1. Rockoon - US Miramar MPCD 2802, 1992
2. Rockoon - Germany Volt VR 5020, diff. blue cover, 1992
3. Rockoon - Germany Virgin 262 440, 1992
4. Rockoon - France Editions Atlas RK CD 501, pic. w/Baumann!, rel. 1994
and the latest:
5. Rockoon - Austria TDI Music TDI004CD, pic. disc, cover like US issue,
rel. 1996
>
Well Vic, to be even more precise, there are two versions of the Volt
Rockoon CD, one is dark blue the other one light blue, there's no other
difference I can remember.
About In den Garten Pharaos and Bycicle Race, these two complement eachother
quite nicely (would have loved to have the awesome guitar solo on the CD !),
Antarktis indeed contains some bonus tracks from IdGP, these are identical
to the IdGP CD (hmm, I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that
both were from the same source :-) ). Bycicle Race was also released as
picture disc LP under the title, Singet denn der Gesang Vertreibt die Wölfe
(same music).
Hope this helps,
Have a Merry Christmas all !!!
Tom
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Subject: Merry Christmas
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Merry Christmas to all on the list, especially those that have brightened my
year with some nice tape/cd trades. Even Lars! :-))
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Subject: Confusion on White Eagle
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White Eagle
Artist Tangerine Dream
Album Title White Eagle
Date of Release 1982 (release) - in print
AMG Rating (Good)
Genre Newage
Styles Electronic, Art-Rock/Progressive-Rock
Time 37:44 minutes
Album Releases
>>1982 CD American Gramaphone CDV2226<<
1982 LP Virgin 2226
Do I find something wrong here, or is it just me?
I found this at the All Music sight. http://www.allmusic.com.
This is probably a mistake on their part, but you never know.
If anyone has the CAT. # for this release and it *is* released by American
Gramaphone.. I'd like to know...
Thanks!
Greg H.
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Seasons greetings!
>Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
>Antonio wrote the lyrics already so we need to know when Lady Greengrass was
>released.-
According to Record Collector #117 (May '89), it appeared in 1966. An exact
release date within that year isn't given, however.
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Subject: No French???
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Really-From: FredYargui
>Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182
>Since it's the last day before Christmas, and I'm not doing much at work,
>perhaps someone would like to consider the following :
>Why are there no French people on this list?
>We have Britons, Americans, Canadians (do some of you consider yourself
>French?), Germans, Australians, Dutch, Belgians, Poles, Rumanians, Chinese
>(well, Hong-Kongers(?)), Spaniards, Portugeuse, etc. (sorry if I missed
>anyone).
>Are TD unknown in France? Are the French concerned only with JMJ and
>Lightwave>
>Or do the French not have computers?
>Just a thought.
AND WHAT ABOUT ME? I MAKE NOT SUFFICIENT STAKESMIS WROTTEN ENGLICHE SO THAT
YOU CONSIDER ME STRANGER?
(just kidding, boys)
It is right that JMJ is much more well-known than TD (in France) but real TD
fans can't consider JMJ as well as TD (IMHO). TD's music can be played during
months. Besides, JMJ's music lasts a week and returns to the jewel box.
Lightwave is not the alternative french group of e-music. There is also : Jean
Philippe Rykiel ; Space (Roland Romanelli + Didier Marouani + Jo Hammer +
Jannick Top...) ; Space Art (Roger Rizzitelli + Dominique Perrier) ; Francois
Elie Roulin ; ADN Krystal ; Logos (Stephen Sicard) ; Benoit Hutin ; Christian
Richet ;
** Wolf Lintz ** & ** Glasburg ** ; Me (of course, but I haven't yet released
any music, so you'll have to wait) certainly among others...
BTW, I prefer the old lightwave : Modular Experiment (I have two tapes known
as the french one and the british one) Cites Analogues and Ici & maintenant
(live) than the latest (nighty) material
Perhaps, loving TD's music and having a computer AND internet access is too
much asking for us, little frog-eaters, but I invite all frenchies to send a
light(wave) sign on this list! Dream-on!
Regards from France
Fred (listening TD since about 1977)
PS:
>Hi, Craig
>Yes, there is a french in tadream list: my friend Fred. He always write in
>english.
>'C'est un bon connaisseur de TD'.
>Pepe
>JOSE FERNANDEZ GARCIA
>jferna12@p...
Thank you, Pepe, you'll make me blush!! I (try to) write in english because
everyone does so, in here!! and I''ve got a good dictionary near my computer
keyboard... English is easier for everyone to be read by more people... isn't
it?
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Subject: Re: Confusion on White Eagle
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In article <67ug2g$ftd$1@n...> you wrote:
: >>1982 CD American Gramaphone CDV2226<<
Nope, it's a mistake. Years back when they imported my collection
database, the labels got messed up and the errors are still being
cleaned up.
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Subject: Desperation...
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Really-From: Klaus Beschorner
a plea for help on two issues:
1) for historic reasons, I'm archiving the daily digests of
this list. A hard disk crash has deprived me of some from
November. Can anyone forward me the digests V16 #90-#118,
preferrably in a packed (gzip, pkzip, arj...) format ?
2) This goes as a (serious) warning to CD-R collectors as well.
As you know, the Dreamtime/Transformation/Fragments trio was
among the first TD bootleg CDRs issued. It was made in the UK
in 1991, a time when only a few stand-alone recorders (at over
US$ 5000.- apiece) were available, and media were scarce and
expensive ( > US$50.-).
My 'original copies' from this run have deteriorated to the
point of not being playable any more, neither in computer
nor in audio equipment. I discovered this when I sent them
out to have backup copies made on current equipment and media :-(
So, if you own any CDRs from that time, you should seriously
consider making backups.
And if you own playable copies of Transformation and Dreamtime,
you should seriously consider to offer me copies ;-)
happy new year,
klaus
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Subject: Re: ones-td-lucy-kaleidoscope
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>According to Record Collector #117 (May '89), it appeared in 1966. An
exact
>release date within that year isn't given, however.
>goozer
Thanks Goozer. This is interesting because alan michael vincent's (?) book
mentions 1966; the star club singles vol 12 cd compilation by star club
says LG/LoM was produced in 1967 shortly before the band broke-up (check
the text [auf deutsch] on the double truck)... perhaps it was written
earlier and performed earlier but I'd be more inclined to take Star Club
(the label on which LG/LoM appeared) as the authority here since this is a
compilation history of their late 60s artists....
This is a common problem in history, authors (like vincent or the record
collector article author) taking info from other authors without ever
checking the original sources -- the result is that we have a lot of
conflicting info.... and, in this case, a myth about the origin of td is
perpetuated... does Record Collector have anything else to say to support
the 1966 date (eg is it on the label of the 45 or in the matrix code??)
since it could also be a typo.
PLEASE anyone who has this 45, could you post all the info (include matrix
codes and comments marked on the vinyl) or send it to me privately off-list
if you don't want the publicity/wish to remain anonymous (I'll respect your
wishes in this matter but we really need some authoritative info at this
point).
so, what we need to do is find out whether Lady Greengrass was recorded
after 1 June 1967 (or whether it really appeared in 1966). I wonder if
there is a way to get an original date from the copyright registration?
(and would this really be accurate?) if it was recorded anytime before 1
june 1967, then Lucy cannot be the source for the name 'Tangerine Dream'
Can anyone living in or near Hamburg help us on this (by trying to track
down some info on Star Club -- are they still around? can they give you any
info? what about newspapers from the spring-summer of 1967, perhaps they
mention appearances in Star Club and/or singles released? is there an
equivalent to billboard for Germany in the late 60s that would mention new
releases???
BTW: thanks everyone for the resends and sorry about any confusion!
ciao
lars
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Subject: Oasis
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Imagine my surprise when I walk into the local music shop,
'Store-Without-a-Clue', and find a copy of Oasis. Hey--on the first listen
or two, this is pretty good! I'll have to look over some of the posts about
this again.....
Mike
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Really-From: Klaus Beschorner
Oh yes, the October digests have gone to the big bit bucket
in the sky as well...
So thanks for someone sending me the daily digests, V16
#57-#87 as well. Again, please archived and compressed
(pkzip, arj, tar.gz). Thx.
klaus
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Subject: Work from home turn key package
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Hi all,
I checked my CD 'The Complete Star Club Singles Volume 12'. This CD has both
songs by The Ones. The booklet does not specify the exact release date.
Someone in Germany needs to contact the label or the current owner of the
label to see what the records show.
In the mid-196o's heavy drug use of Psychedelics began and references
appeared everywhere in the arts. Music being one as well as graphic arts -
the rise of Peter Max as a major industrial designer/artist, and also
concert poster art. Not too much has changed in the intervening years.
CHEERS...Matt
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On Dec 24, 10:59am, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Ou est la Francais?
> Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 828182
BTW, strictly speaking, the title should have read, 'Ou sont les Francais?'
Written as it was, you are asking 'Where is the (feminine) Frenchman' which
makes no sense...
>
>
> Since it's the last day before Christmas, and I'm not doing much at work,
> perhaps someone would like to consider the following :
>
> Why are there no French people on this list?
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> We have Britons, Americans, Canadians (do some of you consider yourself
> French?), Germans, Australians, Dutch, Belgians, Poles, Rumanians, Chinese
Not me. French Canadian, yes, but French I am not.
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Hello.
I've put pictures from the lp 'near dark' on my web page,
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hope it will make some good trip.
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dreamers
as a non-musician, I've not got a clue about this so perhaps some of you
could help me out:
If I (pretend I'm a musician ;-) wanted to perform a cover of a song
written and owned by someone(s) else (let's call it 'Lady Greengrass' for
the sake of discussion ;-) I would have to pay royalties if I:
a) recorded it
b) performed it live (??)
if I were a big-time recording star, someone would take care of all the
details for me. but let's say I'm doing this as an independent. If I were
to cover a Beatles tune (like 'Lucy'), I assume I could contact ASCAP and
find out what to do but let's say this song I want to cover (Lady
Greengrass) is pretty obscure and its authors were not part of ASCAP and
not from the same country in which I live and work.
My question is this: How do I go about tracking down this information
(copyright owner, etc) without paying a lawyer a bunch of money?
suggestions?
thanks
lars
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
> Really-From: DAVENTURA
>
>
> Hello Everyone,
> I have a few TD items for sale....1986 North American Tour
Jacket...please
> make offer. E-mail me for more info. Thanks David
Hello David
Do you still have the Jacket for sale? How much do you want for this? What
other items do you offer? Please let me know. By the way, I'm from Hong
Kong, China.
Friendly regards + Merry Christmas,
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> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
> dreamers
> If I (pretend I'm a musician ;-) wanted to perform a cover of a song
> written and owned by someone(s) else (let's call it 'Lady Greengrass' for
> the sake of discussion ;-) I would have to pay royalties if I:
> a) recorded it
> b) performed it live (??)
>
> My question is this: How do I go about tracking down this information
> (copyright owner, etc) without paying a lawyer a bunch of money?
>
> suggestions?
>
In Spain there is a 'general author society' that handle this. You just have
to
pay them directly and they take care of giving the money to the author/
copyright
owner.
I suppose there is the same type of authors societies in USA and other
countries.
--Francisco
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Lars, try http://www.gema.de
GEMA (something like 'Society for music copyrights')
is the German society you are looking for,
they are offering (some) English text versions too.
Their site is one of the worst Iīve seen in lifetime, btw.
Jens
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Why do I have to follow your instructions? I didn't solicit your
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need more info, I have your address and phone #. Thanks for
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Francisco says:
>In Spain there is a 'general author society' that handle this. You just
have to
>pay them directly and they take care of giving the money to the author/
copyright
>owner.
>I suppose there is the same type of authors societies in USA and other
countries.
so it appears GEMA covers Lady Greengrass, how do we contact them?
lars
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I'm forwarding this with peter's greetings and permission:
(sadly, it does not seem to resolve the issues at hand...)
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Peter Stoeferle, INTERNET:Peter.Stoeferle@t...
TO: 'Lars R. Jones', [105411,3107]
DATE: 12/27/97 1:27 PM
RE: RE: lady greengrass
Sender: Peter.Stoeferle@t...
[...]
> from Lars Jones, Dec. 27th:
> We're trying to pin down the exact release date of Lady
> Greengrass/Love of Mine if possible and to determine whether it was
> released before or after 1 June 1967.
Hello,
even if I cannot tell you the exact date of the release of 'Lady Greengrass',
the following information may be helpful in case you do not know it yet.
The textbook of the German CD-series 'The Star-Club Singles Complete' tells
about the 7' record:
->
'The only record of the band, 'Lady Greengrass / Love of mine', was produced in
1967, just a short time before the band was dissolved. (...) After the
disbandment of The Ones Edgar Froese founded the band Tangerine Dream in
September 1967 which also had Charly Prince as a member in the very early
beginning...'
<-
According to info from Edgar, he founded TD September, 29th, 1967 (see 'Dream
Collector' #18, page 4). After all, it is likely - but not proven - that 'Lady
Greengrass' was recorded and released during the last months of the 'Ones',
which means after June, 1st.
> My theory is that Lucy in the Sky is NOT the source for the name 'Tangerine
> Dream' despite what Edgar has said. In fact, all the relevant references for
> the name Tangerine Dream can be found in Lady Greengrass. (As you may recall,
> I raised these issues at another time as well.)
I agree to your theory. - Surely you have already taken notice of the fact that
on 'Sgt. Pepper' / 'Lucy in the sky' the text line mentiones 'tangerine trees'
but not 'tangerine dreams'. Have you already discussed about the Pop-Blues-band
Kaleidoscope which released an LP titled 'Tangerine Dream' around this time?
> I'm wondering if you have this single (or access to it) and, if so, if you
> would mind providing the following information (I've already checked Voices
> ;-):
The regular single and the promo version - I do have both - do not mention any
date of release. The label writing is not very helpful. Unfortunately, my copy
of the promo 7' does not have a promo sheet or text flyer, if there ever was
one.
> ALL text and numberings from both sides of the sleeve.
Sorry, I do not have the sleeve: My record is in a neutral white cover, and the
promo version came in a record company sleeve without any text about the
artist,
about the name of the record and about the date of release. All this has to be
taken from the label texts.
> ALL text and numberings from both labels and on the vinyl itself.
-> regular version, brown label, side A:
Star-Club
Records
GEMA 45
Gehrig (*) 148 593 STF
AA 148 593.1 F 2:41
Lady Greengrass
(I. Baudach/C.Prince)
The Ones
Alle Hersteller- und Urheberrechte vorbehalten; U*berspielung, o*ffentliche
Auffu*hrung und Rundfunksendung verboten!
-> regular version, brown label, side B:
Star-Club
Records
GEMA 45
Capriccio (*) 148 593 STF
AA 148 593.2 F 3:04
Love Of Mine
(E. Froese/M. Auerbach/C.Prince)
The Ones
Alle Hersteller- und Urheberrechte vorbehalten; U*berspielung, o*ffentliche
Auffu*hrung und Rundfunksendung verboten!
a*, o*, u* are German a, o, u with dots (Umlaut)
(*) marks the hole of the record.
Note the slight difference 'Gehrig'/'Capriccio' on the label writings. This may
refer to the music company holding rights of the songs.
-> Promo version, white label, side A:
Star-Club
Records
Unverka*ufliche 'sample not
Musterplatte for sale'
45
GEMA 148 593 STF
AA 148 593.1 F (*) Gehrig
2:41
Lady Greengrass
(I. Baudach/C.Prince)
The Ones
Alle Hersteller- und Urheberrechte vorbehalten; U*berspielung, o*ffentliche
Auffu*hrung und Rundfunksendung verboten!
-> Promo version, white label, side B:
Star-Club
Records
Unverka*ufliche 'sample not
Musterplatte for sale'
45
GEMA 148 593 STF
AA 148 593.2 F (*) Capriccio
3:04
Love Of Mine
(E. Froese/M. Auerbach/C.Prince)
The Ones
Alle Hersteller- und Urheberrechte vorbehalten; U*berspielung, o*ffentliche
Auffu*hrung und Rundfunksendung verboten!
> Would you happen to know of any relevant publications such as newpaper
> reviews or advertisements by Star Club that mention 'The Ones.'
I do not have any of such publications; probably there were hardly any because
no one could know that 'The Ones' would turn into a famous band a few years
later...
> Whether you can provide this information on the mailing list or privately
> to me, I would be in your debt and, should you feel it necessary, I will
> respect any requests for anonymity.
As I am not familiar with the current discussion on the Mailing List, I pass
this info to you. If you regard it to be helpful, you may of course forward it
to the List with my greetings to the List members.
All the best for the new year, bye and cheers,
Peter
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> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
> so it appears GEMA covers Lady Greengrass, how do we contact them?
>
As Jens said:
Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Lars, try http://www.gema.de
There it's possible to e-mail them.
mailto:gema@g...
---Francisco
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Subject: Performace!
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
Odd how I was watching Duran Duran perform and that the one musician
actually plays parts of the music off a lap-top computer and uses an odd
instrument triggered by hand and arm movements.
Reminded me of Kraftwerk but with more movable limbs..
Anyway, all the music was performed.. and there were quite a few layers to
the music. I wish TD was this way in performance.
The guitarist and the drummer seem to be the main focus and Edgar and
Jerome stay out the picture.
I can understand Edgar not wanting to be another Yanni face performer..
*imagining Edgar making grumpy disgusted faces while watching Yanni live at
the Acropolis*
The music might not be designed to be performed, but the older stuff TD
did really wasn't performance music either with continuous long tracks that
took a long time to develop, But the important thing is that they did
perfom it and it worked.
Now, with 7 to 8 minute tracks, a person would think that those tracks
could be perfomed completely (considering how many versions of those
'Seattle Years' tracks we have you would think every note has been
memorized!)
Maybe Edgar or Chris of old TD got scared when thier improvisation work
became works of complete art, and they wondered about the mistakes (where?
I bet they could name many) and the notes played. They didn't try hard and
it worked.. they felt like they were put to a lofty spot without really
putting that much effort into it.
So now Edgar feels that having complete control over every note and making
sure of never even letting a mistake occur will satisfy that feeling of
being a true musician.
There's a term in art that talks of letting the hand go off on it's own
making many interesting nuances occur in the stroke.. some arn't always
intentional, but the overall picture is.. and that's what is important, and
that's what I feel is missing in the music.. nothin else, just this.. it's
all great stuff.. but I know they could do better!
Greg H.
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Subject: NEWEST CD from Eric Snelders: The Source of Scarlet Dreams
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Really-From: Elana who?
For the record, I once asked Chris Franke about the origin of the name
'Tangerine Dream' and he said he didn't know. 'You don't KNOW?' I asked,
'Why?' I got a long, roundabout explanation that had something to do with
how LONG ago that was, and a lot of details that happened then are things
he doesn't remember nowadays. Then again, he doesn't seem much interested
in dwelling on past details to start with, saying: 'My eyes are always
looking towards the future.' Sounds about right.
-Elana
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Subject: lady greengrass
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Here's a reply from Klaus as well; I've forwarded with his permission since
there is some important information/commnets here in addition to those
in Peter's post.
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Klaus Beschorner, INTERNET:Klaus_Beschorner@b...
TO: (unknown), [105411,3107]
DATE: 12/27/97 6:05 PM
RE: lady greengrass
Sender: Klaus_Beschorner@e...
[...]
>Hi Klaus Greetings and Happy Holidays. I'm writing to you to request
>your help. Although you may not be following the current discussion on
>tadream about the origin of the name 'Tangerine Dream.' We have
>information that conclusively dates the UK release of Sgt. Pepper (and
>Lucy in the Sky) to 1 June 1967. We're trying to pin down the exact
>release date of Lady Greengrass/Love of Mine if possible and to
>determine whether it was released before or after 1 June 1967. My
>theory is that Lucy in the Sky is NOT the source for the name 'Tangerine
>Dream' despite what Edgar has said. In fact, all the relevant references
>for the name Tangerine Dream can be found in Lady Greengrass. (As you
>may recall, I raised these issues at another time as well.)
Okay, I'll do what I can, although this may not be much. Please ask
yourself : what does the release date prove ? Sometimes there are months
or even years between finishing a recording (and no-one touching the
master tapes ever afterwards) and the commercial release. The Beatles
were frequently playing at the Star Club in Hamburg at that time.
Yes, it was a famous venue, from which the record label emerged, it
was the beginning of the Beatles' popularity in Germany. And, less
frequently, the Ones played there. Possible cross-influences go way
beyond release dates here.
>I've made a few requests on tadream for individuals owning this single
>to provide some information to us but so far (perhaps because of the
>holidays) no one has responded. I'm wondering if you have this
>single (or access to it) and, if so, if you would mind providing the
>following information (I've already checked Voices ;-):
>
>ALL text and numberings from both sides of the sleeve. ALL text and
>numberings from both labels and on the vinyl itself.
For whatever it may be worth, here we go :
Front Sleeve : The Ones- Lady Greengrass - Music for Hippies
148 593 STF Star Club Records
Back Sleeve : only advertisements, small pictures of other
Star Club Singles Covers etc.
Label Top : Star Club Records
Label left : (GEMA) Capriccio - AA 148 593.1 F (.2 F on Side B)
Label Right : 45 - 148 593 STF - 2:41 (3:04 on Side B)
Matrix Text : AA 148 593.1 F (.2 F on Side B) - Made in Germany
around Label : Alle Hersteller- und Urheberrechte vorbehalten;
Überspielung, Öffentliche Aufführung und
Rundfunksendung verboten !
Label bottom A: Lady Greengrass (I.Baudach/C.Prince) - The Ones
Label bottom B: Love of Mine (E.Froese/M.Auerbach/C.Prince) - The Ones
The labels are red, the promo has a white sleeve, white labels
with the same text, and added on both label tops :
Unverkäufliche Musterplatte - sample, not for sale
>Would you happen to know of any relevant publications such as newpaper
>reviews or advertisements by Star Club that mention 'The Ones.'
Sorry, none whatsoever.
The CD booklet (Star Club Singles Vol. 12) just mentions that the
single was produced 'shortly before disbanding'. Wolfgang Rajmann
is credited on the CD back cover for help.
Seriously - any real collector of 60s german Rock'n'Roll should
be able to find out the exact date (I'm none...) but, as mentioned
above, I doubt that the exact release date would have any significance
in the TD naming puzzle.
Also, note that Edgar has no author's credit on Lady Greengrass.
>Whether you can provide this information on the mailing list or
>privately to me, I would be in your debt and, should you feel it
>necessary, I will respect any requests for anonymity.
I'll refer to the 'debt' part when the time's right ;-) ,
no need for anonymity. Did anybody just try to ask Edgar about
it ? Or Wolfgang ?
I wish you a quiet time 'between years' and a happy new year !
-klaus-
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Subject: volunteers needed!
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Dreamers
we need volunteers who have access to microfilms of German newspapers (at
least in Hamburg and Kiel and anywhere were there were star clubs) to check
newspapers from mid 1966 to September 1967; we need to know when the Ones
appeared (Scott P. has them playing march 18 in hamburg [opening for
hendrix]; and on may 27 in Kiel [for hendrix again]). we also need to know
the last known appearance of the Ones which might suggest when they broke
up (the last date listed by Scott is the may 27 1967 show but TD does not
form until september). also, it would help to see the text of the ads
(e.g. if there is any mention of The Ones' single Lady Greengrass/Love of
Mine? or something like 'star club recording artists The Ones' which would
suggest that they had already released the single...); also, if you come
across any reviews, announcements, etc. that would be helpful as well.
It would also be extremely helpful to know if the Beatles appeared in the
Star Clubs between 1 January 1967 and 1 June 1967 and whether the band
Kaledoscope appeared in the Star Clubs between mid 1966 and september 1967
(and whether the Ones might have been present -- eg as an opener or not
playing elsewhere at the same time) -- this information should be in the
newspapers as well.
I just noticed on a photo in the insert of my Star Club Singles Vol 12 CD
that the Star Club Records label and the Fontana label (on which the
original Kaleidscope TD album appeared) appear together with the Philips
label ... hmmmm; it also says the Ones tracks were published by Phonogram
LTD. GMBH in 1967 (and Phonogram appears also in the US and UK). if there
is a connection between Kalediscope and Edgar, this may be the source since
the album 'tangerine dream' was also published by phonogram in 1967 -- but
again, we still need to know dates.
also, on the kaleidoscope issue, does anyone have the original release on
the Fontana label from 1967? I have only the reissue on the '5 hours back'
label from 1987.... which says manufactured under license from Polygram
Special Products... I suppose it is too much to hope that Polygram owns the
rights to the Kaleidoscope album (or does someone else now own polygram?)
can someone else tell me what the british copyright agency is (or the
equivalent to ASCAP?) so that we might try to track down the copyright info
the kaleidoscope album.
Does this place still exist? does it function like GEMA?
The Phonographic Performance LTD
Ganton House
14-22 Ganton St.
London, W1V 1LB
any information on which agency/company to contact would be helpful.
does anyone know of any comprehensive books about british and german
psychadelic pop/rock from the late 60s? (I didn't find much on a web
search).
thanks
lars
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Subject: dream lives on
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dreamers
I'm seeking a copy of:
'The Dream Lives On! The Unofficial Collector's Guide To The Music Of
Tangerine Dream'
compiled and edited by Alan Vincent Michaels. May 1990.
if anyone has one of these for sale or for trade, please contact me
off-list
thanks
Lars
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hi
I am on the tangerine dream mail list to find out info on the band.
Please dont send me advertising for anything else
thank you
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Really-From: Phil PDX
In a message dated 97-12-25 06:16:34 EST, you write:
<< By the way what do you think about Ron Boots ?
--
Eric Detrez 16 rue du Rivage 59190 Hazebrouck
edetrez@m... >>
I've only recently discovered Ron Boots. Just got Phase 3, with him, Ian
Boddy, and Harold Van Der Heijden. If you like sequencer-based, rythmic e-
music, this is just phenomenal. At least based on my first listen. :-)
Phil Derby
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In a message dated 97-12-28 12:03:09 EST, you write:
<< My
>theory is that Lucy in the Sky is NOT the source for the name 'Tangerine
>Dream' despite what Edgar has said. >>
The implication above is that Edgar has said Lucy IS the source for the
name; however, and I quote,'Froese himself has denied that fact every time he
has been asked about it.' Refer to Iksi's TD page. So, there is no argument
that it did NOT come from Lucy; however, we still don't know where the name
DID come from. Good luck on your search, Lars. LOL, I think you are becoming
as obsessed on this as Steve is on The Keep! 8-) Dell
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Hi
Can you tell me whats up with the tdream mailing list?
I just got on last week and I'm being flooded with stuff that is ridiculous
and some of it has nothing to do with tdream!!
I thought this was a list for fan info from the web site or a fan club.!!
Thanks Steve fan since 1973
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> Really-From: SRiser3600
>
>
> Hi
> Can you tell me whats up with the tdream mailing list?
> I just got on last week and I'm being flooded with stuff that is
ridiculous
> and some of it has nothing to do with tdream!!
>
> I thought this was a list for fan info from the web site or a fan club.!!
>
> Thanks Steve fan since 1973
Don't worry Steve, I'm not even old enough to remember the 70's!
This is the old debate regarding where exactly the name 'Tangerine Dream'
came from. I know many of you out there could not really care.. but it *is*
about TD and it is interesting to see the connections between pre-TD (Ones)
and some other very famous and not so famous groups.
Who in the world is 'Lady Greengrass'?! It's a song with some sort of
phrase with 'Tangerine' in it. =o)
Greg H.
Greg H.
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Subject: The French
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>Lightwave is not the alternative french group of e-music. There is also :
Jean
>Philippe Rykiel ; Space (Roland Romanelli + Didier Marouani + Jo Hammer +
>Jannick Top...)
>...
Fred, a very interesting list!
I have an album by a band called 'Romanelli', ca. 1984, somewhere in the
basement. The name is something like 'Time Flight' or 'Night Flight' or so.
It sounds a little bit like 'Space' used to. I wonder if it is the same
guys or a solo album? Quite a good one, that record.
Speaking about famous french E-musicians...what about Serge Blenner, I
would have thought he is the most famous after JMJ, but he didn't appear on
your list? Well, I believe he also lived in Germany for a while, so maybe
he lost the loyalty of his fellow citizens? :-)
Hilmar
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Subject: message for Van Hove (hocus-pocus@g...)
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Hello,
The following message is for 'van hove' (hocus-pocus@g...):
----------------------------------------
Hallo,
Ik heb u proberen te e-mailen, maar uw e-mail adres blijkt niet correct te
zijn.
Is mijn brief al ontvangen en zijn de spullen verstuurd ??
In afwachting van antwoord,
Wouter Bessels
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access to e-mail adresses......
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Subject: 9th track in Thief
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Really-From: FredYargui
Hello TaDreamers!
This is what I saw by searching 'thief' in http://www.cs.uit.no/Music
Tangerine Dream
Thief
Label:Virgin
Catalog number:CDV 2198
Releaseyear:1981
Tracks:
1.Beach Theme
2.Dr. Destructo
3.Diamond Diary
4.Burning Bar
5.Beach Scene
6.Scrap Yard
7.Trap Feeling
8.Igneous
9.Confrontation
Total running time:
40:11
Is it a mirage?
Fred
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Subject: RE: song rights
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>If I (pretend I'm a musician ;-) wanted to perform a cover of
a song
>written and owned by someone(s) else (let's call it 'Lady
Greengrass' for
>the sake of discussion ;-) I would have to pay royalties if I:
>a) recorded it
>b) performed it live (??)
Actually, ASCAP acts as a liaison between US performers and
overseas groups like GEMA. Re: paying royalties, it costs more in
royalties to record a cover of a song than to perform it. I think you
need prior approval from and payment to the copyright holder before you
can record it, but can pay afterwards when performing. Phish, for
example, performs dozens of covers live, and often plays a few bars of a
particular song spontaneously as part of an extended jam (Argent's 'Hold
Your Head Up' is one of the most common), and they come up with their
setlists either just before they go on or as they're on stage, so it
obviously would be difficult to arrange all that ahead of time.
Another example: The college I worked for acquired re-record
rights for the Moody Blues' song 'Go Now' as part of their latest ad
campaign. Re-record rights were in the neighborhood of $20,000. Rights
to use the original were more like $100,000. My tax dollars at work.
Scott, back from vacation
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Subject: Re: 9th track in Thief
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> Really-From: FredYargui
>
> >9.Confrontation
>
> >Is it a mirage?
Take a look at
http://www.netstore.de/tadream/samples/thief.html
It says that 'Confrontation' is an extra track taken from the LP Elektra
5E-521.
Jens
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Subject: RE: NO 9th track in Thief
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Subject: Ambient Monkeys and Timesquare available in Germany
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Really-From: Gary Struhlik
The two CDs are available in Germany. I hope this store
can deliver these CDs. I ordered AM and TS today.
The store is: JPC
http://www.jpc.de or in T-Online *jpc#
Ambient Monkeys
Best-Nr 8283353,Label TDI,Preis 33,95 DM, 1CD
Tracks Token from birdland;Symphony
in a-minor; The seventh
propeller of silence;Calyx
calamander;Largo;Riddle of
the monkey tribe; Moon
marble;Concerto in a major,
adagio; Lemon vendor khaly;
Campera de mon glyan; Virtue
is it's own reward;Pantha
rhei;Myopia world
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TimeSquare - Dream Mixes II
Best-Nr 8283344, Label TDI,Preis 33,95 DM, 1CD
Tracks Mobocaster;Jungle jacula;
Towards the evening star;
Digital sister;Pixel
pirates;Culpa levis;
TimeSquare
Postage: 5,90 DM
ciao Gary S.
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>Subject: Desperation...
>Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:30:46 +0100
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Organization: MRC Europe
>Really-From: Klaus Beschorner
>
>2) This goes as a (serious) warning to CD-R collectors as well.
> As you know, the Dreamtime/Transformation/Fragments trio was
> among the first TD bootleg CDRs issued. It was made in the UK
> in 1991, a time when only a few stand-alone recorders (at over
> US$ 5000.- apiece) were available, and media were scarce and
> expensive ( > US$50.-).
> My 'original copies' from this run have deteriorated to the
> point of not being playable any more, neither in computer
> nor in audio equipment. I discovered this when I sent them
> out to have backup copies made on current equipment and media :-(
> So, if you own any CDRs from that time, you should seriously
> consider making backups.
?!?!?! This is disconcerting. In library school, from which I
graduated only a year ago, I had two classes wherein the professor said
that the average optimal lifespan of a regular CD was 3-5 years whereas
the average optimal lifespan of a gold CD was 80-120 years. Last time
I heard, CD-Rs are (or at least were back in 1991) gold CDs. If this is
so, what could be responsible for your CD-Rs deteriorating?!?!?! This
is quite alarming, IMHO; makes me think I should concentrate more on
my vinyl than my CD collection! No smiley, unfortunately.
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Subject: Re: CD-R Deterioration?!?! (was Desperation...)Klaus Beschorner ,Klaus Beschorner ,Lars Jones , Victor Rek ,Mark Filipak , Hermes Guzman
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> >2) This goes as a (serious) warning to CD-R collectors as well.
> > As you know, the Dreamtime/Transformation/Fragments trio was
> > among the first TD bootleg CDRs issued. It was made in the UK
> > in 1991, a time when only a few stand-alone recorders (at over
> > US$ 5000.- apiece) were available, and media were scarce and
> > expensive ( > US$50.-).
> > My 'original copies' from this run have deteriorated to the
> > point of not being playable any more, neither in computer
> > nor in audio equipment. I discovered this when I sent them
> > out to have backup copies made on current equipment and media :-(
> > So, if you own any CDRs from that time, you should seriously
> > consider making backups.
>
> ?!?!?! This is disconcerting. In library school, from which I
> graduated only a year ago, I had two classes wherein the professor said
> that the average optimal lifespan of a regular CD was 3-5 years whereas
> the average optimal lifespan of a gold CD was 80-120 years.
Steve,
If your professor was reffering to data CDs, there's a big difference
between data CDs and music CDs. One scratch can wipe out a lot of data and
even entire access to directories on a Data CD. whereas most newer music CD
players pass over scratches and other deteriorative effects.
Now technology has changed quite a bit, and I would come to think that not
all CD-burners are created equal, especially the older ones that
compactness was the most serious consideration.
I still wish they made the darn things in cases that you pop in like
cassettes. But the music industry has to made money, and hopes all our CD
collections get destroyed =o)
Greg H.
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> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>
> ?!?!?! This is disconcerting. In library school, from which I
> graduated only a year ago, I had two classes wherein the professor said
> that the average optimal lifespan of a regular CD was 3-5 years whereas
> the average optimal lifespan of a gold CD was 80-120 years. Last time
> I heard, CD-Rs are (or at least were back in 1991) gold CDs. If this is
> so, what could be responsible for your CD-Rs deteriorating?!?!?! This
> is quite alarming, IMHO; makes me think I should concentrate more on
> my vinyl than my CD collection! No smiley, unfortunately.
As far as I know, the CD are said to last from 30 to 100 years. Until now I have
more than 400 CD's, some of them from 1980-82 and I had no problem with anyone.
As for the CDR, there had been a lot of discussions abut CDR deterioration that
occurs in the organic layer that gives the characteristic color of the recording
side ( dark green, light green ( gold) or blue). The main cause of deterioration
being the sunlight. The old CDR layer types really has problems and the
life-span
went down to 6 years. That's the reason the industry is offering today improved
versions of those layers said to last more than 100 years ( based on aging
tests),
only time will tell us...
---Francisco
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Date: Tue Dec 30, 1997 2:57
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Subject: Re: lady greengrass
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
HI dreamers (and some whiners too ;-)
can anyone please tell me the name of the hamburg newspaper (and if it had
the same name in 1966-67). I'm trying to locate some microform copies --
of course, volunteers are still needed to help track this stuff down.
thanks folks
happy new year
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Subject: chip davis /steamroller
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
I got to meet Chip after his recent show in Chicago... The show was fun,
but I laughed more than anything... Synchronized dancing
Ostrichs...Penguins playing Mozart...COME ON! During the reception I
started singing CONVOY softly, but few people seemed to get the joke...Oh
well... Can't complain if its free!
MJ
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
>
>
> I got to meet Chip after his recent show in Chicago... The show was fun,
> but I laughed more than anything... Synchronized dancing
> Ostrichs...Penguins playing Mozart...COME ON! During the reception I
> started singing CONVOY softly, but few people seemed to get the joke...Oh
> well... Can't complain if its free!
>
> MJ
What happened to the llamas?
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Subject: RE: NO 9th track in Thief
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On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, tadream mailing list wrote:
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>
>
>
> <1.Beach Theme
> <2.Dr. Destructo
> <3.Diamond Diary
> <4.Burning Bar
> <5.Beach Scene
> <6.Scrap Yard
> <7.Trap Feeling
> <8.Igneous
> <9.Confrontation
>
>
> <40:11
>
>
>
> This is obviously erroneous information. Nothing to get hyped about. The
> Virgin version has 'Beach Scene' and 'Beach Theme.' The Elektra version has
> 'Beach Theme' and 'Confrontation.' The three tracks together would assist
> the lp in totalling more than 40:11, so it is a mirage.
>
> EMan
>
I have both, LP and CD (Vrigin Release).
COnfrontation brakes the armony on Thief, and is composed by Craig Safan.
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> Really-From: Michael A Jean
> I got to meet Chip after his recent show in Chicago... The show was fun,
> but I laughed more than anything... Synchronized dancing
> Ostrichs...Penguins playing Mozart...COME ON! During the reception I
> started singing CONVOY softly, but few people seemed to get the joke...Oh
> well... Can't complain if its free!
>
> MJ
>
>
inspired me. His classical/rock/synth style and awesome quality
recordings were the first real music I ever listened to, if it were
not for 'The Steamroller' I would have never found TD.
It's music I can fall back upon if all other stuff fails to inspire.
Greg H...
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>Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>> ?!?!?! This is disconcerting. [...]
>If your professor was reffering to data CDs, there's a big difference
>between data CDs and music CDs. One scratch can wipe out a lot of data and
>even entire access to directories on a Data CD. whereas most newer music CD
>players pass over scratches and other deteriorative effects.
>Now technology has changed quite a bit, and I would come to think that not
>all CD-burners are created equal, especially the older ones that
>compactness was the most serious consideration.
So maybe the standalone CD-R burners (like Pioneer) made for MUSIC ONLY
recording are actually better?
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Subject: D:Solo Week 29 - Dec. 29, 1997
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This week we would like to hear comments on:
Johannes Schmoelling - Zoo of Tranquillity
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Subject: Jim and Pablo available in Germany
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Yesterday I saw the Jim and Pablo CD at a store here in Berlin.
ciao Gary
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Really-From: Vic Rek
Over the weekend I was once again paying a visit to Kiev, Ukraine.
As usual, there are many people selling pirate CDs on the street. Last time
I couldn't find any TD releated pirate CDs, only mainly JMJ or Vangelis from
the EM catagory.
This time it was different. I ran into two Klaus Schulze pirate CDs:
'Body Love' and 'Dark Side of the Moog 4 (re-issue)'. I think it was quite
strange to find these and no TD. I asked the guy if he had some TD and
nobody knew what I was talking about, except a guy standing behind me. He
said he loves the group and termed their music as psychedelic electronic
music. He then went on to tell me that one shop in Kiev has them and even
named the titles: 'Melrose' and 'Optical Race' (I think), but he said these
were imports at import prices.
Anyway, the pirate CDs look basically identical to the regular releases, but
you can tell the paper is different (and by the price too). I heard these
releases are pressed in Bulgaria. So that's what's going on in a place
where the economy is basically driven by the black market.
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PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET IDEA:
'RISKY BUSINESS--THE COMPLETE VINYL COLLECTION--ON CD'
-- by Steven Feldman; September 30, 1997
My idea for a 2-CD-R set of every RISKY BUSINESS item committed to
vinyl would be to have the entire RISKY BUSINESS AUDIO KIT on one CD,
and all the music from vinyl sources (RISKY BUSINESS AUDIO KIT, first
pressing of RISKY BUSINESS LP, and second pressing of RISKY BUSINESS LP)
on the other. This would mean that the eight music tracks on the audio
kit would appear on both CDs, but the contexts would be different: it
would, after all, be nice to be able to hear the entire kit from one CD
and to hear the complete available music on another CD, would it not?
_______________________________________________________________________
RISKY BUSINESS AUDIO KIT
Total track time for audio kit: 75:40
-----
SIDE 1 25:00
SIDE 2 22:43
SIDE 3 12:42 (the music runs 11:21--lots of empty space between tracks)
Side 3, Track 1: 1:21
Side 3, Track 2: 1:46
Side 3, Track 3: 3:04
Side 3, Track 4: :30
Side 3, Track 5: :24
Side 3, Track 6: :11
Side 3, Track 7: :57
Side 3, Track 8: 3:08
SIDE 4 15:15
ENTIRE TRACK LISTING FOR FIRST PRESSING OF RISKY BUSINESS LP
Total running time: 42:32
The TD tracks on this pressing are not on the CD version
The TD tracks have a LEGEND-type mix
-----
Track 1: Old Time Rock n Roll 3:10 -- Bob Seeger
Track 2: The Dream is Always the Same 2:20
Track 3: No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:55
Track 4: Guido the Killer Pimp 4:17
Track 5: Lana 3:52
Track 6: Mannish Boy (I'm a Man) 4:03 -- Muddy Waters
Track 7: The Pump 5:47 -- Jeff Beck
Track 8: D.M.S.R. 5:05 - Prince
Track 9: After the Fall 4:21 - Journey
Track 10: In the Air Tonight 5:27 - Phil Collins
Track 11: Love on a Real Train 2:15
ENTIRE TRACK LISTING FOR RISKY BUSINESS CD
Total running time: 45:42
Same as second pressing of LP
The TD tracks have a WHITE EAGLE-type mix
-----
Track 1: Old Time Rock n Roll 3:10 -- Bob Seeger
Track 2: The Dream is Always the Same 3:42
Track 3: No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:00
Track 4: Guido the Killer Pimp 4:18
Track 5: Lana 3:51
Track 6: Mannish Boy (I'm a Man) 4:03 -- Muddy Waters
Track 7: The Pump 5:47 -- Jeff Beck
Track 8: D.M.S.R. 5:05 - Prince
Track 9: After the Fall 4:21 - Journey
Track 10: In the Air Tonight 5:27 - Phil Collins
Track 11: Love on a Real Train 3:58
________________________________________________________________________
RISKY BUSINESS TD TRACKS (First Pressing of LP)
Total track time for first pressing: 14:39
LP SIDE A: A-2U-1-1, LP SIDE B: B-1U-1-1
Has LEGEND-type mix
-----
Track 2: The Dream is Always the Same 2:20
Track 3: No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:55
Track 4: Guido the Killer Pimp 4:17
Track 5: Lana 3:52
Track 11: Love on a Real Train 2:15
RISKY BUSINESS TD TRACKS (Second Pressing of LP)
Total track time for second pressing: 17:49
LP SIDE A: A-3U-1-1, LP SIDE B: B-3U-1-1
Has WHITE EAGLE-type mix
-----
Track 2: The Dream is Always the Same 3:42
Track 3: No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:00
Track 4: Guido the Killer Pimp 4:18
Track 5: Lana 3:51
Track 11: Love on a Real Train 3:58
RISKY BUSINESS NON-TD TRACKS:
Total track time for non-TD tracks: 27:53
-----
Track 1: Old Time Rock n Roll 3:10 -- Bob Seeger
Track 6: Mannish Boy (I'm a Man) 4:03 -- Muddy Waters
Track 7: The Pump 5:47 -- Jeff Beck
Track 8: D.M.S.R. 5:05 - Prince
Track 9: After the Fall 4:21 - Journey
Track 10: In the Air Tonight 5:27 - Phil Collins
______________________________________________________________________
PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK ONE:
Total running time: 75:40
-----
Audio Kit, Side 1 25:00
Audio Kit, Side 2 22:43
Audio Kit, Side 3 12:42
Audio Kit, Side 4 15:15
| Alternate:
|
| Total Audio Kit time 75:40
| Audio Kit, Side 3 -12:42
| -----
| Subtotal 62:58
| LoaRT from THREE PHASE +3:17
| -----
| Total 66:15
The entire kit can fit--resulting in a CD that runs under 74 mins.
if all the lengthy spaces in between tracks are shortened. For example,
Side 3 (12:42) runs only 11:21 with all the extra space deleted. On
average, there are between ten and twenty seconds between tracks.
It would ruin the strict integrity of the recording to shorten the
spaces between tracks. To preserve the integrity of the recording, I
suggest removing the (musical) material from Side Three, which would
leave you with a running time of 62:58, which would allow for putting
11:02 minutes' more worth of music on this disk--like, say, the live
version of 'Love on a Real Train' from the THREE PHASE laserdisk, for
starters.
It really depends on the conventions of CD and/or CD-R recording
practices: are the spaces between tracks on LPs necessarily the same
when the same tracks are committed to CD?
PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK TWO (short listing):
Total running time: 73:03
-----
Side Three of audio kit 12:42
1. TD tracks from First Pressing of LP 14:39
2. TD tracks from Second Pressing of LP 17:49
3. Non-TD tracks 27:53
This would be the exact track list order for this CD-R disk:
PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK TWO (long listing):
Total running time: 73:03
-----
Audio Kit Music Tracks
1. (Track 1) 1:21
2. (Track 2) 1:46
3. (Track 3) 3:04
4. (Track 4) :30
5. (Track 5) :24
6. (Track 6) :11
7. (Track 7) :57
8. (Track 8) 3:08
First Pressing of LP
9. (Track 2) The Dream is Always the Same 2:20
10. (Track 3) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:55
11. (Track 4) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:17
12. (Track 5) Lana 3:52
13. (Track 11) Love on a Real Train 2:15
Second Pressing of LP
14. (Track 2) The Dream is Always the Same 3:42
15. (Track 3) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:00
16. (Track 4) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:18
17. (Track 5) Lana 3:51
18. (Track 11) Love on a Real Train 3:58
Non-TD Tracks:
19. (Track 10) In the Air Tonight 5:27 - Phil Collins
20. (Track 1) Old Time Rock n Roll 3:10 -- Bob Seeger
21. (Track 6) Mannish Boy (I'm a Man) 4:03 -- Muddy Waters
22. (Track 7) The Pump 5:47 -- Jeff Beck
23. (Track 8) D.M.S.R. 5:05 - Prince
24. (Track 9) After the Fall 4:21 - Journey
I suggest placing non-TD Track 10 in front of non-TD Track 1
because the mellowness of the song, 'In the Air Tonight,' provides for
a smoother transition from TD's style of music than the song, 'Old Time
Rock n Roll,' would--so that those listeners who want to avoid the non-
TD tracks yet cannot program their CD player to stop after the TD stuff
won't be bummed by the crassness of the Seeger tune.
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: RE: chip davis /steamroller
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>During the reception I
started singing CONVOY softly, but few people seemed to get the joke...Oh
well... Can't complain if its free!
MJ
i KNOW SOMEONE WHO WENT AND i LOOKED AT THEIR PROGRAM, I MADE A REMARK WHILE
LOOKING AT CHIPS BIO THAT 'HOW COME THEY DONT MENTION CONVOY?' AND ALL I GOT
WAS PUZZLED LOOKS. SEEMS OL CHIP HAS ONE SKELETON HE DOESN'T WANT COMING OUT!!!
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> >Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> >> Really-From: Steven Feldman
> >> ?!?!?! This is disconcerting. [...]
>
> >If your professor was reffering to data CDs, there's a big difference
> >between data CDs and music CDs. One scratch can wipe out a lot of data and
> >even entire access to directories on a Data CD. whereas most newer music CD
> >players pass over scratches and other deteriorative effects.
> >Now technology has changed quite a bit, and I would come to think that not
> >all CD-burners are created equal, especially the older ones that
> >compactness was the most serious consideration.
>
> So maybe the standalone CD-R burners (like Pioneer) made for MUSIC ONLY
> recording are actually better?
>
> Vic
I think I agree. We use a Marantz for a lot of our mastering and
transferring and have had no problems. As long as you are using it for
what it's intended for...you'll have no problems. In taste tests...the
producers I work with dislike Pioneer over Marantz. Pioneer is said to
be of much cheaper quality and apparently you have to use their
discs..which...if this is true...is lamer than lame. In any case, none
of my CDR's have had problems so far. I do know for a fact that about 4
years ago there were problems with longer discs not playing on clock
radios or car stereos or even some cheaper home systems. It was believed
that if you had a cheapo system that it couldn't handle the CDR. Well,
those days are gone and all my CDRs play great. As for deterioration...I
wouldn't worry about it. You could be dead tomorrow and you wouldn't get
to enjoy it anyway. Besides, who wants to live forever (uh oh...I think
Bob may have heard me).
Dano
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IMHO a rather cute/charming album. Deceptively simple but effective
although it never quite produces a second track as good as the superb
opener.
Paul
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> I suggest placing non-TD Track 10 in front of non-TD Track
1
>because the mellowness of the song, 'In the Air Tonight,'
provides for
If it was me, I'd leave the non-TD tracks off. Other than that
I'd be interested in owning a copy.
Scott
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Subject: CD Sale List - Final Posting
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Really-From: Andy Garner
Firstly, many many thanks to all those who have bought CD's from the
sales lists I have posted to space music and tadream over the past few
weeks. Thankyou so much, I am pleased that so many EM fans have
responded.
There are just a few titles left now and I really want to see them go to
fans if at all possible.
Prices are now $8 or 5 GBP. Titles available are as follows:
Bauch, Uwe - Electric Garden
Budd, Harold - By The Dawns Early Light
Buffet, Peter One By One
Caudel, Stephen - The Earth In Turquoise
Ciani, Susan - Neverland
Cluster - Live USA 1996
Fervant, Thierry - Univers
Danna & Clement - North Of Niagra
Hartman, Dan - Pure Green Clear Blue
Keller & Schonwalder - Sakrale Tone
Loreau, Bertrand - Sur Le Chemin
Neuronium - Chromium Echoes
Newton, Lyle - Light At The Edge Of Darkness
O' Hearn, Patrick - Ancient Dreams
O' Hearn, Patrick - Rivers Gonna Rise
Radio Massacre International - Burned & Frozen
Rich, Robert - Numena & Geometry (2CD)
Schulze/Grosser - Babel
Vangelis - Heaven & Hell
Vangelis - Oceanic
Vangelis - Voices
Vangelis - Themes
Van Tieghem., David - Safety In Numbers
Wahnfried - Trancelation
Wahnfried - Tonwelle
Wrennall, Jonathan - Dream Sadness
--
Andy Garner
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Subject: BABYLON 5 Out the Yingyang
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For those of you who are curious about BABYLON 5 because of all the
related CDs that Chris Franke has been cranking out like sausages . . .
B5 is on the cover of my cable guide this week. It seems that TNT
is starting off both its syndication re-runs and its new eps with a
blitz.
SATURDAY, 5:30pm
B5 Episode Guide
SUNDAY, 6pm
2-hour series prequel film (brand new)
SUNDAY, 8pm
2-hour series premiere episode/film--retooled
MONDAY, 7pm
First (post 2-hour premiere?) episode
MONDAY-FRIDAY, 7pm
syndication of B5 every day
AROUND JAN. 20th
all-new episodes begin (this is separate from the syndicated ones)
I am typing this from memory, so there are probably lots of errors.
Would somebody with the specifics please correct my mistakes? I posted
this info *now* because today is the last day I'll have computer access
until January 6th. So, take care, all.
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: RE: RISKY BUSINESS--THE *COMPLETE* VINYL COLLECTION
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>Subject: RE: RISKY BUSINESS--THE COMPLETE VINYL COLLECTION--ON CD
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:49:20 -0500
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> If it was me, I'd leave the non-TD tracks off. Other than that
>I'd be interested in owning a copy.
The idea is to have the *complete* vinyl collection of RISKY
BUSINESS-related material. Believe me, most of what is on the audio
kit is a lot more useless than the non-TD tracks on the regular CD.
Once you've heard it once, you'll really only ever want to hear the
Chris Franke interview(s) and five of the eight TD tracks again. My
point is that it would be nice to have something that is *complete*,
for once . . . unlike things like the POLAND CD, the AGES CD, and the
70/90 CD-R (which has 'Ultima Thule Pt. I' but not 'Pt. 2') . . . not
to mention TD's 'live' albums (which feature only *sections* of live
performances). ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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Really-From: Phil PDX
In a message dated 97-12-30 13:31:03 EST, you write:
<< Really-From: Paul Nagle
IMHO a rather cute/charming album. Deceptively simple but effective
although it never quite produces a second track as good as the superb
opener.
Paul >>
Oh, I don't know about that. I think The Rise of the Smooth Automation is
great - though, as you say, deceptively simple. I really like Schmoelling's
quirky yet simple style. It is refreshingly different.
Phil Derby
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> The idea is to have the *complete* vinyl collection of
RISKY
>BUSINESS-related material. Believe me, most of what is on the
audio
>kit is a lot more useless than the non-TD tracks on the regular
CD.
>Once you've heard it once, you'll really only ever want to hear
the
>Chris Franke interview(s) and five of the eight TD tracks
again. My
>point is that it would be nice to have something that is
*complete*,
>for once . . . unlike things like the POLAND CD, the AGES CD,
and the
>70/90 CD-R (which has 'Ultima Thule Pt. I' but not 'Pt. 2') . .
>to mention TD's 'live' albums (which feature only *sections* of
live
>performances). ;)
Yeah, I guess you're right, but I'd hate to have paid money for
'Old Time Rock & Roll,' which is my LEAST favorite song of all time.
Maybe someday someone will do a 'Dick's Picks' of TD. Maybe it will be
me. . .
Scott
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
I agree, I'm really not interested in the non TD tracks. I hate progamming to
skip them. If I could , leave em off, if not.....DO put them at the end ( for
the purists). This is one cdr concept I really like!!!
Chris
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> I suggest placing non-TD Track 10 in front of non-TD Track
1
>because the mellowness of the song, 'In the Air Tonight,'
provides for
If it was me, I'd leave the non-TD tracks off. Other than that
I'd be interested in owning a copy.
Scott
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Results from a search on the website:
[Total TV: Listings]
Search for 'babylon 5'
Wednesday, December 31, 1997
10AM TNT The Guide to Babylon 5. The science fiction sensation is back
in production with more makeup, special effects and costumes.
Hosted by Bruce Boxleitner. (30 mins.)
Saturday, January 3, 1998
11AM TNT The Guide to Babylon 5. The science fiction sensation is back
in production with more makeup, special effects and costumes.
Hosted by Bruce Boxleitner. (30 mins.)
5:30PM TNT The Guide to Babylon 5. The science fiction sensation is back
in production with more makeup, special effects and costumes.
Hosted by Bruce Boxleitner. (30 mins.)
Sunday, January 4, 1998
8PM TNT FILM: Babylon 5--In the Beginning. Bruce Boxleitner, Mira
Furlan. Before the war Earth and the Minbari were partners in
trade, until a misunderstanding lead to bloodshed. A prequel
to the popular series. Made for TV. (2 hrs.)
10PM TNT FILM: Babylon 5: The Gathering. Michael O'Hare, Peter Jurasik.
Trying to preserve peace and the threat of war, Earth along
with other alien species set up a neutral zone where they can
discuss their differences. Re-edited from the original pilot.
Made for TV. (2 hrs.)
12M TNT The Guide to Babylon 5. The science fiction sensation is back
in production with more makeup, special effects and costumes.
Hosted by Bruce Boxleitner. (30 mins.)
12:30AM TNT FILM: Babylon 5--In the Beginning. Bruce Boxleitner, Mira
Furlan. Before the war Earth and the Minbari were partners in
trade, until a misunderstanding lead to bloodshed. A prequel
to the popular series. Made for TV. (2 hrs.)
2:30AM TNT The Guide to Babylon 5. The science fiction sensation is back
in production with more makeup, special effects and costumes.
Hosted by Bruce Boxleitner. (30 mins.)
5:30AM TNT The Guide to Babylon 5. The science fiction sensation is back
in production with more makeup, special effects and costumes.
Hosted by Bruce Boxleitner. (30 mins.)
Monday, January 5, 1998
7PM TNT Babylon 5. Londo and G'Kar go after one another when they are
victims of an unprovoked attack; Ivanova is affected by a new
telepath. (1 hr.)
+ + + + + + +
Say 'Thank you,' class. ;)
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #147
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Really-From: Tdune
In a message dated 97-12-30 03:06:09 EST, you write:
<< I have both, LP and CD (Vrigin Release).
COnfrontation brakes the armony on Thief, and is composed by Craig Safan.
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Have a happy New Year!!
That goes to show you that no two people have the same taste, I happen to like
'Confrontation' very much, I think it fits nicely with the rest of the album.
I know that I was written by Craig Safan but the jury is still out on wether
TD performed the song or not (my own personal opinion is that they did).
Chao Marcelo G.
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Subject: Antarctica
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Really-From: Michael Fox
I recently got another copy of the 1984 Japanese film Antarctica--lost the
original in a fire years back--and had forgotten that Vangelis did the
score. The music works well in the movie. The story is a true one of a
Japanese expedition to Ant. back in the late 50's--they have to leave and
have no room for the dog teams so they have to leave the dogs. The story is
of the dogs and how the members of the team return the following year to
see if any survived--two did. It's a real hanky-burner but is a great
film--first time the aurora borealis was filmed. Anywho, is there a CD of
the music anyone has/had and what did you think of it--outside the frame of
the film?
Thanks.
Mike
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
I never had the time to write a review of Wuivend Riet,
so I'll start with that.
Wuivend Riet:
I like this album a lot. For me this is Schmoellings best
solo album.
It has, IMO, the the perfect blend of analog synth. sounds
and samples. It shows that those two 'worlds' can work
perfect together!
I like all the tracks, I mean I have nothing bad to say about
this album. It 'feels' very warm and the melodies are simple
yet powerful and great.
Zoo of Tranquility:
I was searching for this album a long time and this year
I finally found it at the KLEMday festival for a nice price.
Nice album, especially the first track. But very different
then Wuivend Riet.
I have all of Schmoellings albums (I think he was one
of the best performer 'musically' who have played in
TD) and this one is, IMO, the least of them all. Don't get
me wrong it's still good, but compared to Wuivend Riet,
White Out and Songs, No Words this is the least.
Marcel
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Subject: Timesquare
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Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank'
Could somebody provide me some information about Timesquare and Timesquare
Dream Mixes II? Are they like Ambient Monkeys or the Dream Mixes albums?
Is there any difference between Timesquare and Timesquare Dream Mixes II?
Both are available from www.massmusic.com. One appears to be a picture
disc (vinyl?) and one appears to be a compact disc. Timesquare is available
from cdnow, but is four dollars more expensive. It appears to be on the
Virgin label not TDI. Will there be a TDI release? Any thoughts? The only
tracks I can find on them are: Mobocaster, Jungle Jacula, Toward the
Evening Star, Digital Sister, Pixel Pirates, Culpa Levis and Times Square.
Thanks much,
Frank Stephen
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Really-From: 'Ed Wilson'
Having never seen the film, I have enjoyed the stand alone work for
several years. 'Course I'm a film music nut anyway, got into Vangelis
listening to the closing of 'Cosmos' (it's from Heaven and Hell).
Ed Wilson
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Really-From: Tuttobene
In a message dated 97-12-30 18:02:01 EST, you write:
<< Timesquare is available
from cdnow, but is four dollars more expensive. It appears to be on the
Virgin label not TDI. Will there be a TDI release? Any thoughts? >>
I have the CDnow import. It is not Virgin. It is defintely marked 'Made in
Austria' with TDI009 on the side of the case. $4.00 more for an import is
pretty good IMHO.
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Subject: chip davis / steamroller
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Really-From: Elana who?
Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: Michael A Jean
> but I laughed more than anything... Synchronized dancing
> Ostrichs...Penguins playing Mozart...COME ON! During the reception I
What happened to the llamas?
Oh, you didn't hear? At some past gig, they had some cool guy from italy
in charge of those critters. One time, he was chatting with the managers
at one of the american concert halls they were playing on tour, telling
the manager about how 'we have three a-llamas'. The manager (who wasn't
listening very well) thought the guy said they had a 'three-alarmer', so he
panicked and called the fire department.
There's hasn't been a llama seen on a Maneheim Steamroller tour ever since.
8-)
-Elana
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Subject: The Keep Is Released
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Really-From: 'neil vanlaten'
Greetings,
This may be old information since I'm on the digest but The Keep has
been released in the special CD package format. As of today SMD had six
left but don't expect any bargains though as the cost is 25 pounds
because of the packaging.
In response to any earlier question regarding Ron Boots musicianship,
I've never been disappointed with any Ron Boots album. Has anyone
purchased his current album titled 'Current'. If so, I'd appreciate your
comments offline.
Happy New Year,
Neil
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Subject: Re: chip davis / steamroller
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>Really-From: Elana who?
>
>8-)
>
>-Elana
I wish you a great 1998! Good luck and stop by in Atlanta soon ~:-)
Vic
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>Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>Zoo of Tranquility:
>I was searching for this album a long time and this year
>I finally found it at the KLEMday festival for a nice price.
>Nice album, especially the first track. But very different
>then Wuivend Riet.
I for some reason really like 'The Wedding Cake' and 'The Zoo and Jonas'.
7:01 + 7:02 minutes of abstract Schmoelling. I think this album is very
good. I also highly recommend 'Wuivend Riet'. All of his releases are
definitely a great aquisition! Get 'em and enjoy!
Vic
P.S. Hi Marcel - Another semi-wild meeting worked out great! The manager at
the hotel said you're very cool and a level-headed Dutch man! He was
fascinated how people meet on the Internet. BTW, the coffee in the morning
was good along with the apple he gave me :-)
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Subject: Re: Antarctica
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Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson)
Although not TD, the soundtrack by Vangelis is excellent. I bought it as
a Japanese import several years ago before it was available domestically.
I paid like $28.00 US.
- Matt
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Subject: Re: chip davis / steamroller
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> To: tadream@c...
> Subject: chip davis / steamroller
>> What happened to the llamas?
>
> Oh, you didn't hear? At some past gig, they had some cool guy from italy
> in charge of those critters. One time, he was chatting with the managers
> at one of the american concert halls they were playing on tour, telling
> the manager about how 'we have three a-llamas'. The manager (who wasn't
> listening very well) thought the guy said they had a 'three-alarmer', so
he
> panicked and called the fire department.
>
> There's hasn't been a llama seen on a Maneheim Steamroller tour ever
since.
>
> 8-)
>
> -Elana
>
>
Hee, hee, hey that was funny, Elana! Too bad I hardly ever read a post of
yours! Happy New Year and best wishes for 1998!!!! (I sure as hell hope
that it will be a better year than this one, though it was an amazing year
for music...)
E-Man
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Subject: CD Sale List - late additions
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Really-From: Andy Garner
I have just been given three KS CD's to sell that were discovered
'hiding'.
Theese are:
Royal Festival Hall Volume 1
Royal Festival Hall Volume 2
The Dome Event.
The price is $10 each including postage. I think there might be a bit of
interest in these three, so first past the post gets the CD's!!!
Many thanks to all those who are still buying the discs for my last
post.
--
Andy Garner
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Antarctica is one of my favorite Vangelis cds
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HEY DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE COMPANY CDNOW i HAVE
ORDERED THREE CDS FROM THEM i HAVE NOT SEEN THE MUSIC AND THEY REFUSE TO
ANSWER MY E-MAIL ENQUIRES ABOUT MY ORDER.
THANKS STEVE
OH YES THEY ARE AN ON-LINE COMPANY
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1997 2:24
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Subject: D:Zoo of Tranquillity
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Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn)
If the subject is Schmoelling, it's time for me to de-lurk. :-)
>Really-From: Phil PDX
>
>In a message dated 97-12-30 13:31:03 EST, you write:
>
>>Really-From: Paul Nagle
>
>>IMHO a rather cute/charming album. Deceptively simple but effective
>>although it never quite produces a second track as good as the superb
>>opener.
>
>>Paul
>
>Oh, I don't know about that. I think The Rise of the Smooth Automation is
>great - though, as you say, deceptively simple. I really like Schmoelling's
>quirky yet simple style. It is refreshingly different.
>
>Phil Derby
I agree completely. I have always been enamored of seemingly simple music
that has all sorts of quirky bits happening along with it but not taking
center stage. This combination of simple yet very appealing melodies with
sonic textures and atmospheres is why I enjoy Schmoelling's solo albums
so much. In fact, I prefer them to all of the other solo albums from other
TD members. Edgar is a master of the melody, to be sure, but he just can't
seem to give his music the same depth, the same additional textures and
atmospheres, that Johannes seems so adept at doing in his music.
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>I for some reason really like 'The Wedding Cake' and 'The Zoo and Jonas'.
>7:01 + 7:02 minutes of abstract Schmoelling. I think this album is very
>good. I also highly recommend 'Wuivend Riet'. All of his releases are
>definitely a great aquisition! Get 'em and enjoy!
>
>Vic
The really abstact stuff that Schmoelling has done, such as 'The Wedding Cake'
and the first track on White Out, may take a little getting used to but I
can't help being fascinated by them. They take awhile to develop but they
don't lose my interest. (Unlike most of Klaus Schulze, but that's another
subject. :)
I consider both Wuivend Riet and Zoo of Tranquility to be similar in style
but not so much that they sound the same. White Out is, to me, more of a
departure into creating an 'aural landscape' but somewhat of a logical
progression from Zoo. Songs No Words is completely different and some people
on this list have voiced disappointment with it. For me, however, it is to
Schmoelling what Le Parc is to TD. All of his solo albums are great and I too
recommend them all.
Best wishes for the New Year,
Erik
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1997 2:27
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Subject: Re: CD Sale List - late additions
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 07:59 AM 12/31/1997 EST, Steve SHOUTED:
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>Really-From: SRiser3600
>
>
>HEY DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE COMPANY
CDNOW i HAVE
>ORDERED THREE CDS FROM THEM i HAVE NOT SEEN THE MUSIC AND
THEY REFUSE TO
>ANSWER MY E-MAIL ENQUIRES ABOUT MY ORDER.
>
> THANKS STEVE
> OH YES THEY ARE AN ON-LINE COMPANY
First, next time do unlock you CAPS LOCK key, please. Most of us
on this list have excellent hearing. No need to shout. :-(
Secondly, CDNow is one of the oldest, largest, and most reliable
on-line music stores on the Net. With me, their service has
always been impeccable. I have spent a lot of money with them,
over many years. Never a hitch. Check your order status.
Sometimes they are low on stock (they will say so when you place
your order), sometimes an imported item takes a while longer.
Usually, an in-stock domestic item takes no more than 2-3 days
(if paid by credit card) to arrive at my doorstep.
Good luck,
Andrew
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Subject: Re: CD Sale List - late additions
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Really-From: 'Ed Wilson'
CDnow has always been top-notch with my orders. Very pleased with their
service, prices, and selection.
Ed Wilson
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1997 3:32
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Subject: Re: The Keep Is Released
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Really-From: Tdune
In a message dated 97-12-31 03:08:01 EST, you write:
>>Really-From: 'neil vanlaten'
Greetings,
This may be old information since I'm on the digest but The Keep has
been released in the special CD package format. As of today SMD had six
left but don't expect any bargains though as the cost is 25 pounds
because of the packaging. >>
What is SMD and how do we contact them? I would appreciate any info.
Have a nice New Year !!
Chao Marcelo G.
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1997 4:13
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Subject: Happy New Year/Update on TD Web Site
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Hi all
Allow me to greet you all a Happy New Year from Asia. A few hours ago (last
year already!!) I met TD fan Gregory again and this encounter will be one
of my most memorable experience of the year 1997.
BTW I just took a look at the TD Web Site and found it updated since almost
two months!! Not really any new info but Ambient Monkey and Time Square are
now available in Real Audio.
Cheers,
Jeffrey
Hong Kong
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1997 4:11
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Subject: Re: CD Now opinion
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Really-From: TWeibre361
In a message dated 97-12-31 08:00:16 EST, you write:
<< HEY DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE COMPANY CDNOW i HAVE
ORDERED THREE CDS FROM THEM i HAVE NOT SEEN THE MUSIC AND THEY REFUSE TO
ANSWER MY E-MAIL ENQUIRES ABOUT MY ORDER. >>
yes...they are very reliable imo...they always send u a confirmation after u
order, with an address that u can contact them...sometimes, if its a special
order disc, it takes awhile, but if they dont get it within 30 days they send
u a note and cancel ur order...also, go to their web site and look up ur order
status, its right there...finally, they dont charge u until they ship, so what
the hey...
tom w
np: timescape - one small step and a giant leap (ive been meaning to plug
this; its a work of a fellow listemember; nice use of samples from the apollo
missions, without being intrusive; full synth sounds, without being bombastic;
introspective, without being new-agey; flows well; melodic without being too
catchy; production is kinda rough, but ill blame it on the
tape...congrats...check it out...
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1997 4:07
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Subject: NEW OFFICIAL TD WEB ADDRESS
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
Hi
The TD website has a new address
http://www.tadream.de/
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU FOLKS!!!
I'm really happy to be on this list
---Francisco
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1997 5:48
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Subject: A NEW YEARS FANTASY ????
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Really-From: gan@c...
HI EVERYONE
Happy New Year to all T-Dreamers everywhere !
Thought I might share a seasonal wine induced fantasy with you.
THE MILLENIUM CONCERT
Starring: Tangerine Dream
Featuring: Edgar Froese, Jerome Froese, Chris Franke, Peter Baumann,
Johanne Schmoelling, Linda Spa, Zlatka Perica and Emil Hachfeld.
Introduced by Arthur C Clarke, Scientist, Novellist, Inventor of the
Communications Satellite and 2001.
I have loved the Tangs music since the early 70s.
Music changes and evolves.
Phaedra is possibly my favourite but I enjoy all the different musical
portraits the Tangs and the different line ups have painted for us.
I make no apologies for the fact i like Cyclone and Lina's haunting sax
A Millenium TD Concert for me that covered this rich tapestry of music
is something to fantasize about.
How about it Edgar ?
I'll start work on the concert tracks next .
Terry
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1997 6:11
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Subject: Korea rules ;>
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Really-From: Milan Mati}
Hi !
I think we had 12 cd's in a play, like 12 angels on the earth ;> &
all of differend kind of musik and different kind of people...
Which cd's i preffered ?
Kula Shaker - 4. Govinda
Santana
Trainspotting
Jazz
Pulp Fiction
good movies ;>>>>
excellent food ;>>>>
best quality homemade pot ;>>>>>
and so ...
My name is Dusan, which 008 ? ;>>
P E A C E !!
indy
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1997 6:21
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Subject: CDNow (was 'CD Sale List - late additions')
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Really-From: Lon Lowen
SRiser3600 wrote:
> HEY DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE COMPANY CDNOW i HAVE
> ORDERED THREE CDS FROM THEM i HAVE NOT SEEN THE MUSIC AND THEY REFUSE TO
> ANSWER MY E-MAIL ENQUIRES ABOUT MY ORDER.
I've placed a lot of orders with CDNow and have never had a problem
with them. Always good selections and service. They sometimes
don't have stuff in stock, but they have always told me how long
it would take to get it. --lon
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Lon Lowen
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1997 1:46
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Subject: Re: chip davis / steamroller
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 05:19 PM 12/30/97 -0800, you wrote:
>There's hasn't been a llama seen on a Maneheim Steamroller tour ever since.
>
>8-)
>
>-Elana
Hey Elana! Santa forgot one present to give you! One punny with a
Trout!
Mike (a trout-masked replica)
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1997 8:37
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Subject: Tadream Page Update.
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
I listened to the 3 Timesquare samples and the 3:50
'Ambient Monkeys' sample. I really liked the latter..
as it sounded so familiar to a certain older
material. Anyway, if no has figured out yet..
Ambient Monkeys (1998)
TDI 011 CD
This production has originally been used as pre-concert ambient music
during parts of the Tangerine Dream European Tour '97.
From http://www.netstore.de/tadream
That's what 'Ambinet Monkeys' is.
Greg H.
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1997 9:31
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Subject: Re: CDNow (was 'CD Sale List - late additions')
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Really-From: SRiser3600
thanks for your answer
Its been about three weeks and ive heard nothing .
they dont answer my e-mail .
do the have an 800 number or any number?
Thanks Steve
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1997 10:17
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Subject: Church is Mafia !
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Really-From: Milan Mati}
Hi !
I choose Sorcerer CD, or LP... i it isn't available then i would like to
have someone of cd's on the list belove ...
Tangerine Dream
A William Friedkin Film
Sorcerer !
Sorcerer (1977)
MCA MCF 2806
TD's first soundtrack for a Hollywood movie.
Track Listing:
1.Main Title
2.Search
3.The Call
4.Creation
5.Vengeance
6.The Journey
7.Grind
8.Rain Forest
9.Abyss
10.The Mountain Road
11.Impressions Of Sorcerer
12.Betrayal (Sorcerer Theme)
PEACE !
indy
also like your new cd's TimeSquare TimeSquare - Dream Mixes II (1998)
TDI 009 CD
Recorded June/July 1997 at
the Eastgate Studios
Vienna.
and Ambient Monkeys (1998) TDI 011 CD
This production has originally been used as pre-concert
ambient music during parts of the Tangerine Dream European Tour '97.
My Snail mail address is :
Dusan Matic
Pod smreko 7
8340 Crnomelj
SLOVENIA
tel: +00 386 68 51 687
btw: Novo leto zlo rado prnasa gorece grme na posveceni zemlji .. torej ob
cerkvi je se bolj .. hehe
new year always like to surprise you again and again ;) hehe like bushes
in
fire in front of Maria's Church in vineyard hills in Straznji vrh (Bela
krajina, Slovenija)
tnx you all !!!
let the sunshine in !!!
let the new year dreams become reality !!!!
I love you all, TD and TBC&Team !
So ... what shell be ? i don't like to wait till 11.59 ... i know for
this different mathematical method and at the end i will have get my
lucky number 6 ? why ?
becouse :
1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12=78
7+8=15
1+5=6
and, i will pray to god for my lucky number 6, i feel that i have so much
good luck theese days that i can't for some reasons some part of the day
beliveve that New year could be all days in future, if you can acknowledge
this ???!!
thanx again .. SLOVENIA and her good incoming action films love you
world !
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1997 10:31
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Subject: happy new year again world ! ;>
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Really-From: Milan Mati}
Hi !
Heheh i would like to be first in this mailing list to wish you a
merry christmas and happy new year from sunny side of Slovenia's south ...
I'm so messy, so i can't wait till end to send message at midnight, so i
will
sent it 1 minute before to congratule some bravest people of the world who
are acting in this great farytail ....
tnx folk and party on !
indy from Slovenia
and i sent list with cd's few minutes before .. so no problem at all ..
this is all material i think, if not .. will study tommorrow or any other
day in future .. because i think even hard cases need time to rest and
shutdown computer for a while ;>>
File 11.59 saved
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1997 10:46
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Subject: final post for today .. i think ;>>
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Really-From: Milan Mati}
Hi !
I think we had 12 cd's in a play, like 12 angels on the earth ;> &
all of differend kind of musik and different kind of people...
Which cd's i preffered ?
Kula Shaker - 4. Govinda
Santana
Trainspotting
Jazz
Pulp Fiction
good movies ;>>>>
excellent food ;>>>>
best quality homemade pot ;>>>>>
and so ......
My name is Dusan, which 008 ? ;>>
PEACE !!
indy
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1997 11:15
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Subject: Happy new year
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
Ho Dreamers:
Happy and prosperous new 1998 !!
--Francisco
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