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Date: Mon Feb 2, 1998 6:23
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Subject: Re: Turn of the Tides
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Really-From: patricdonaghy@w... (Patric Donaghy)
Colin, three of Bo Hannson's lps are available on cd from several
labels. The cds are : Lord of the Rings, Magician's hat, and Attic
Thoughts. Contact me for more info if you like.
Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions
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Subject: Jed's Orgy Question
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
Jed,
Sorry if you werer made to feel unwelcome...
I don't have the set, but most of it is quite obscure...
TATORT is a German Crime Drama... TD did the music to a few episodes of
the years... They released a 12 maxi single and a 7' single of music (6
tracks all together). The are one of the few official releases that
haven't appeared on an official CD or box set.
SCHW... (whatever) is the name of a German Radio show that plays alot of
space music etc. This must have appeared on a radio broadcast which is
the source of the material, as it doesn't appear elsewhere...
Mike J, Chicago
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Subject: Re: TD Live '98?
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>
>
> >Thats it! If TD comes, I'm going to LA with Dano and the gang! Let me
> know! I will fly out >there. I was planning to go for my vacation this year
> anyway and that will cinch it!
> >Chris
>
> Alright, Chris! If you fly over, you can stay at Dan's! I'll even share my
> sleeping bag with you on Dan's kitchen floor! Hey, did you ever see 'Doom
> Generation'? (hahahahahaha)
>
If you start any of that cowboy/Doom Arakis shit with me......Why I oughtta....
Chris
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Date: Mon Feb 2, 1998 8:45
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Subject: TD and baldness
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>Now here's *another* idea: Edgar and Jerome could do the Orbital thing,
>and go bald. Yeah!
Here's a thought. No TD member has ever gone bald. (Although Johannes had
the
classic early-30s-thinning at the top look.) Edgar is going on twice as old
as
me and has *at least* twice as much hair. At one time Jerome and I had the
same
amount of hair. He's still got it, and in the meantime I'm well on the way
to becoming a cueball-head.
The bastards...
Glynn
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Subject: Re: TD and baldness
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> Here's a thought. No TD member has ever gone bald.
Judging by his current penchant for wearing caps, I'd say Zlatko is on his
way...although I guess he'd not an official member.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
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Subject: THE KEEP -NEW ENDING
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
GUYS!
Thank god for this site, because of a fellow member, I finally got to see
the NBC televised version of THE KEEP with the alternate 'happy' ending. What a
relevation! I remeber seeing the film when it came out and remarking....what a
bummer ending. This changes everything! Let's hope there is a Director's Cut
ala Thief with the new footage remastered and a comm by Glenn and Mann. Maybe.
Someday. In the meantime my world is somewhat more complete. Now if Mr Feldman
can contact a certain someone and get his audio ending back.....we can have it
on cdr as well....
Chris
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: ZEO Remixes *Sound* Good, but They Ain't TD
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:27:19 -0500 (EST)
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Subject: Re: ZEO REMIXES & The Orb's TD Remix: No TD Sounds Between Them
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>I actually think the 'Lily on the Beach' re-mixes are good, in the sense
>that I enjoy listening to them, if that's what counts. [. . .]
I agree that they are good . . . as music . . . but as 'remixes' of
anything that anyone ever recorded before? No. They bear no resemblance
whatsoever to any music that appears on LILY ON THE BEACH.
>Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:47:15 -0600
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Subject: Re: ZEO REMIXES & The Orb's TD Remix: No TD Sounds Between Them
>Newsgroups: uwp.maillist.tadream
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
>X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0]
^^^^^^^^^^
Hey! I thought there wasn't a 'newsgroup' version of the TD list!
>Really-From: David Datta
>
>Not that I disagree about how bad they are. But they do have some
>snippits in there somewhere. [. . .]
You could've--in fact *did*--fool me! I only played them twice,
but I didn't discern any TD sounds, riffs, hooks, nor grooves. To me,
this stuff sounds like someone at Private Music said, 'Hey, lookee here.
My cuz Cuthbert has a few synthesizers in his garage and he recorded
some stuff as a tribute to his fave raves Tangerine Dream. It's good.
You gotta hear it. I'll bring it in.' Sound plausible?
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Tue Feb 3, 1998 1:19
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Subject: RE: Sound of the Jupiter 2 in 'Pixel Pirates'!
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Ok, OK,
Where is Vader, this I gotta hear.....
Chris
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Hi,
I've been meaning to mention this for *weeks*, but I keep on
forgetting to post it--remembering it only when I'm at home--until now:
Take out your copy of DREAM MIXES II--TIME SQUARE, go to track
five, 'Pixel Pirates', and check out the sound effect in between :55
and :58. Now, tell me that's not the sound of the Jupiter 2 tooling
around in open space as heard so often in the third season of the TV
show, LOST IN SPACE!!!
First we had the voice of Darth Vader on DREAM MIXES, and now we
have the sound of the Jupiter 2 on DREAM MIXES II. What's next? Stuff
from STAR TREK, or . . . BABYLON 5? Franke-ly, that might be too close
for comfort. Ba-bum. ;) ;) ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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Really-From: David Datta
: Really-From: Steven Feldman
:
: >Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:47:15 -0600
: >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
: >Subject: Re: ZEO REMIXES & The Orb's TD Remix: No TD Sounds Between Them
: >Newsgroups: uwp.maillist.tadream
: ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: >Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
: >X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0]
: ^^^^^^^^^^
: Hey! I thought there wasn't a 'newsgroup' version of the TD list!
:
There isn't. the University has local newsgroups and all the uwp
mailing lists are piped into them. They are readable only via campus
machines.
For a little while, they escaped and were created all over the place
but the feeds were cut as soon as the problem was discovered.
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: THE KEEP Long Ending: Now Making the Rounds
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:16:59 -0500 you said:
>Subject: Re: THE KEEP -NEW ENDING
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
>
> Thank god for this site, because of a fellow member, I finally got to
>see the NBC televised version of THE KEEP with the alternate 'happy'
>ending. [. . .]
I know what you mean. Because of this list and a fellow memmber,
I finally got to get an excellent-quality audio tape of the ending!
>[. . .] Now if Mr Feldman can contact a certain someone and get his
>audio ending back.....we can have it on cdr as well....
The copy I got is vastly superior to the one squirreled away by
The Inscrutable Filipakster in every way, so he can *have* it! ;)
I first lent the tape (which has the end-tune taped twice: first
without and then with Dolby B) to Lars Jones, who copied it, sent
copies to a batch of tape traders--including Francisco Salgado--and
then sent it off to Hermes Guzman (a/k/a goozer), who will in turn
send it off to Vic Rek when *he's* done with it.
I want(ed) to circulate this long ending of THE KEEP as far and
widely as possible, so if there's anyone else out there with a CD
burner and the wish to disseminate this tune further still, please let
me know. ;)
I might as well mention that it is goozer's opinion that the tape
is imperfect (well, duh, it's from off a videotape which in turn is from
a TV broadcast, *not* from a studio master tape), but seeing as this is
as about as good a copy as anyone's likely to get in the forseeable
future, this is currently the Holy Grail of KEEP oddities as we know
them. As with 'Voxel Ux' and (so far, anyways) 'Sobernost,' there is
no known 'perfect copy' out there, so my attitude is, 'beggars can't be
chosers.' Take what ya can get! ;) Admittedly, this tape is not of
'ELECTRONIC ORGY Quality' (the new standard?), but what is? (But then,
wasn't 'Horns of Doom' issued only on tape? What makes the sound on
that item so much better than that of the tape I lent you, goozer???)
(I myself have yet to see the happy ending Chris saw. I saw yet
another variant ending--that had the very same music--that was more
interesting than the common ending but not what one would call happy.)
>Chris
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: Sound of the Jupiter 2 in 'Pixel Pirates'!
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Hi,
I've been meaning to mention this for *weeks*, but I keep on
forgetting to post it--remembering it only when I'm at home--until now:
Take out your copy of DREAM MIXES II--TIME SQUARE, go to track
five, 'Pixel Pirates', and check out the sound effect in between :55
and :58. Now, tell me that's not the sound of the Jupiter 2 tooling
around in open space as heard so often in the third season of the TV
show, LOST IN SPACE!!!
First we had the voice of Darth Vader on DREAM MIXES, and now we
have the sound of the Jupiter 2 on DREAM MIXES II. What's next? Stuff
from STAR TREK, or . . . BABYLON 5? Franke-ly, that might be too close
for comfort. Ba-bum. ;) ;) ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Tue Feb 3, 1998 10:37
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Subject: Re: Shreeve on TD...
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Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey)
On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:49:37 -0500, you wrote:
>Actually, it WAS _Collide_... I found some of the songs enjoyable,
>but I didn't care for a lot of the others... _Nocturne_ didn't do a lot
>for me, either...
>
>Yes, it was electronic rock, but there's a reason that rock bands use
>guitars, too. I'm sorry, but I just not as taken with Shreeve as everyone
>else on this list seems to be.
>
>- jim
Try Legion. If your stereo goes to volume 10, it's meant to be played
at volume 12 (not 11 like that Spinal Tap crap!). I reckon Legion was
his pinnacle, so far.
He's more EM heavy metal than EM rock...
--
Mike Livsey
mlivsey@n...
Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change,
The courage to change the things I can and
The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really
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Subject: Re: Schwingungen
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
Hey, Jed! Nice to see ya here! Small world, huh?
> 3) After 'Unicorn Theme,' from Legend, the insert says WDR - Cologne,
> 'Schwingungen,' 2/23/89. What does that mean? Is the theme taken
> from the Ash Ra Tempel album 'Schwingungen?'
'Schwingungen' is a WDR FM program in Berlin (if I'm not mistaken) that
prominently played/plays(?) TD's music, usually in 'special' or 'radio
magazine' format (again, if I'm *not* mistaken...if I am, somebody please
correct me; Jens? Jens? :-)
E-Man
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Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy
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Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey)
On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:16:02 EST, you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 98-01-31 20:56:33 EST, you write:
>
><< Now, let's talk about what to do for Vol. II...
>
> goozer >>
>
>How about music from Strange Behavior and some other rare miscellaneous
>soundtracks they have done? I also noticed on this set that each cd had solo
>material from each main member of TD except Schmoelling! I'd like to see that
>on the next set if there is one.
I would agree. He did something for Klem years ago as well, I believe.
I was surprised that it wasn't on the list. The other funny thing was
that they didn't give credit to Conrad Schnitzler and his kid, since
they appeared for three tracks. OK, the tracks were awful, but they
appeared nonetheless.
I seriously hope a second release is in the works to release the last
few scraps...
--
Mike Livsey
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The courage to change the things I can and
The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really
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Date: Tue Feb 3, 1998 3:50
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Subject: Re: TD and baldness
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
> > Here's a thought. No TD member has ever gone bald.
>
> Judging by his current penchant for wearing caps, I'd say Zlatko is on
his
> way...although I guess he'd not an official member.
Zlatko's wearing his hair (which is longer now) pulled back into a
ponytail.
btw...what an interesting thread, hahahaha
E-Man
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Date: Tue Feb 3, 1998 3:59
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Subject: Re: The Shreeve Chronicles [loooong post]
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
Funny, Ash, I would have thought you'd take Mark's side on this more, but...
Mark's point being twofold--TD is not (and maybe never has been) a great
live band, and their new output is 'soulless'--has to tackled as such.
The soullessness issue is, as your own response shows, entirely a matter
of taste. Although, I would be interested to know what album of theirs
provoked this response from him Yeah, even
good ol' _Oasis_ is all full of presets, I know, some dating back to the
early '90s. My response? So f*****g what? If there's one thing _Oasis_
*isn't*, compared to much of their '90s output, it's soulless.
That's something that goes beyond what kind of patches you use
(home-grown or not), it's a function of your inspiration and the quality of
the composition, two things _Oasis_ has in spades. (Still, I don't know
if that's what he had in mind). I'm not saying that those qualities and
choice of sounds aren't related, but I think they are certainly more
fundamental to music than what patch you call up (or dial up) off a synth.
The live issue is the more meaty of the two. While it would be easy to
be facetious about it (What, Mark, you mean you've been doing it the hard
way all this time? ;) ), the issue here is why don't they really play
even simple stuff on stage. Hm. There's probably at once no simple
explanation and a very simple one: they're control freaks and they like
everything to go off as planned, perfectly conceived and executed, so we, as
the audience, can appreciate the polish and perfection of the finished product.
Edgar has apparently always liked things this way, probably for some reason
rooted deep in his
psyche (perhaps relating to his visual arts training--every piece and
performance should be a work of art, like a sculpture?). As to whether or not
this takes away from the 'rawness' of a performance, there's probably no
doubt it does to some extent. However, a bummed note can interrupt the
flow and feel of a piece quite significantly, giving it 'rawness' where it
wasn't intended, and pissing off both the musicians and the audience.
Anybody remember the 'infamous' Ralf Wadephul incident from the '88 tour,
possibly the last time TD played anything really live (apart from guitar
solos)?
When you go to a performance, you expect the performers to be well-rehearsed
and prepared enough to be able to pull it off without a hitch (especially if
it's a standardized set!). In terms of giving the live versions of studio
pieces that 'little extra something', well...sometimes it's called for, and
sometimes it's not. You don't need to fix something that's not broken.
How much extra help does a track like 'Exit' need?
It is worth noting that TD has been guilty of the reverse in the past--the
live versions of all the Rockoon tunes played on the '92 tour, except for
'Graffiti Street' (which was awesome) and 'Touchwood' (which had an added sax
solo of questionable quality and necessity) were all more stripped-down and
less involving than the originals!
Additionally, TD's performance philosophy has never quite been
Wakeman-esque, even at the best of times. So, if you want to see hotshot
keyboard playing, go see whatever virtuoso pulls your chain. But you
know, at least without a Schmoelling or Haslinger, that's not what you're
getting at a TD concert, and of course you'll be disappointed if you go
expecting otherwise.
This ties in to the use of performance aids (i.e. backing tape and such).
This is harder to defend or justify, especially when it seems to be the case
that TD aren't even playing the simplest lead lines live--and that, even
I have a hard time dealing with.
It should be pointed out, though, that a HUGE amount of 'real' (i.e.
academic) electronic music uses backing tape--indeed, it's often a
**requirement** for the performance! That brings us to the case of
whether or not TD's music and shows have become sufficiently complex that
two pairs of hands can't cut it, that some (even a lot) of pre-recorded
stuff is necessary to make any part of their show happen. By its nature,
a lot of TD's music is sequencer-based anyway, and it's questionable
whether or not there's a need to play it all out (if that's even possible).
Maybe Paul or Johannes *could*, but would they *want* to, just to prove
what technically accomplished musicians they are?
Since I'm no MIDI and computer expert, I don't know what the limitations on
the hardware are, but I imagine the number of sound events TD draws on for
one concert are considerable (on a 'per era' basis), so it in fact may be safer
to play
from backing tape rather than try to reprogram all the synths either by
themselves (they'd almost certainly muff it) or trust it to a computer
(which have been known to fail from time to time...).
Another aspect of this problem is the choice of pieces for a concert.
With the '92 tour, the audience was getting a concert that was (at the
time) about 50% non-album material, and which was well-suited for the
feeling and environment of live performance. The 'raw' parts of it
didn't depend on being live or not--this was a quality intrinsic to the
music itself. With the '97 tour, all of the material had appeared on
album before, and the adjustments made to them for the show consisted of
extra drum parts and maybe some added guitar. Sometimes these
enhancements really worked, other times, they were unneeded musical perfume.
The choice of pieces also didn't seem to be as well suited for a live
show, in terms of their being exciting--but since I didn't *see* the
show, those pieces may have tied in very well with the visuals.
Hmmm...I've actually worked at this for a long time now, maybe longer
than I should have, and I'm running out of things to say (which a few of
you are no doubt thankful for). Whether or not you continue to buy TD
because of the name is up to you and whatever your reasons are. [With my
own attitude towards Mr. Shreeve's music, given a choice between new TD
and new Shreeve, I know which one I'd listen to first]. The live issue
is certainly a much hairier one, and maybe it's time somebody confronted
the band about this, if for no other reason than to try and get some
semi-logical rationale for it, or why they've been doing this so long.
It could just be that the truth of it is TD isn't (and never was) a great
live band. Their own musical dreams are best realized after much
reflection and forethought in the musical instruments they probably make
better use of than any in their equipment arsenal, and than most other
artists--their minds and the studio.
Gabe
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Date: Tue Feb 3, 1998 4:18
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Subject: Re: TD and baldness
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>Really-From: sypower@o...
>Here's a thought. No TD member has ever gone bald. [...]
Well I have to make a correction, Conrad Schnitzler I heard is just starting
to grow hair.
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>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
[...] and I'm running out of things to say (which a few of
>you are no doubt thankful for). Whether or not you continue to buy TD
>because of the name is up to you and whatever your reasons are.
I will continue to buy TD because I'm loyal to this band (but I always have
the right to change my opinion ;-). Anyway, what's the point of questioning
why someone buys TD or anything else?
>It could just be that the truth of it is TD isn't (and never was) a great
>live band.
Have you heard their live music in the 70's and early 80's?
I think we will have to tune in on the upcoming D:Live discussions.
Vic
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Greetings all!
The following tracklist is provided for those of you out there without net
access:
1. On cranes passage DEMO
2. Brighton 1986 Guitar Part (Ride on the Ray)
3. Brighon 1986 Legend Leftover
4. Mandala
5. Unicorn Theme from Legend with Susanne Pawlitzki on Vocals
6. Girl on the Stairs 97 / Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal Live in Brussels 1997
7. Beach Theme 97 Live in Glasgow
8. Live in Dresden Hygienemuseum 1980
I wonder how long it took between the end of the broadcast and the first CD-R?
goozer (who is, of course, eagerly awaiting his copy...)
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at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has
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>
> >Now here's *another* idea: Edgar and Jerome could do the Orbital thing,
> >and go bald. Yeah!
>
> Here's a thought. No TD member has ever gone bald. (Although Johannes had
> the
> classic early-30s-thinning at the top look.) Edgar is going on twice as old
> as
> me and has *at least* twice as much hair. At one time Jerome and I had the
> same
> amount of hair. He's still got it, and in the meantime I'm well on the way
> to becoming a cueball-head.
>
> The bastards...
>
> Glynn
You see, THESE kinds of posts just BEG for humor ala Eli & Dan. I
mean...baldness???? Next thread....TD and the shoes that they wear! Come
on! Man, this is going to take me a while to get over the stupidity of
this post.
Dano
np: Wisdom OST (Elfman)
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-- It would be much better if we *shot* the Gallagher brothers, so they'll --
stop releasing albums (and so *that* won't happen again :-)
Don't knock other musical forms too much, they can can be and sometimes are as
musically 'out there' as TD have been. (Note: have been and not are.)
I'm a fan of TD circa 75 but I also follow alot of other forms. Check out the
address - Springsteen is my main stay, along with Southside et al. I saw
Oasis last week in LA and the elder Gallagher (Noel) is one amazing guitar
player. I would rank him at the moment as in the world's top 5. Yes his
brother Liam is a prat, but does that have to drag the whole group down. Re
other TD members!!!!!
IMHO you can only slam artists from the same genre of music you're talking
about at that time. Otherwise you're comparing apples & oranges.
What are the dates for the supposed TD US tour of 98? Looking for So Cal
dates. Also like minded people to go with.
I'll be in Finland from 2/22 till 3/6, mainly in Hyvinnkaa. Any fellow
TDers out there who'd like to get together?
Take care to all music lovers out there.
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Okay, I love his music but he DID say something that really cramps me
up. Here's what he says that made me boil:
I was fortunate that I had the opportunity to learn studio craft
> from some of the best producers and engineers in England,I would say that
> 99% of E/M musicians who produce music in there bedrooms don't have a
clue
> how to sculpt sound.
WHAT!?!?!?!? Now THIS offends me. Okay, I've always know Shreeve has a
big ego BUT this cramps. I completely disagree with this crap. I've
heard Riley Roden's music & midi files of several other artists (many in
company here) and their music is quite above 'amateur', in composition
AND production. Somehow I think that if Middleton, Nagle, Jens or any of
us who compose at home or in smaller studios had the equipment that
Shreeve has at our beck and call, we'd be releasing a hell of a lot more
melodic amazing albums than Marko has (he currently releases a minimal 1
album every 4 years AND half of them are remixed versions of Bruton
releases or film music!!!). I guess Mark won't be getting a Goldtri CD
because of all of the 'amateurs' on it. Of course, perhaps we should
assume that we are all in the 1% that aren't amateur. In that case,
we'll send one.
They do it by themselves,and because the have nobody
> else around to pass any knowledgeable critique,they are convinced they're
> doing it right.This is why so much E/M sounds so amateur.
Well, the word 'amateur' is in fact, subjective. One man's crap is
another man's gold, as put by my hispanic pal of old. Anyway, I still
love his music...but his opinion of other musicians reeks!
Regards,
Dano
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>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
> Whether or not you continue to buy TD
> because of the name is up to you and whatever your reasons are.
> why someone buys TD or anything else?
TD fans will always buy their latest album (or, since GC, al least check it
out), since the ratio of their quality:crap is stratospherically higher
than their crap. Oasis was a beautiful surprise, for example. I haven't
heard Ambient Monkeys, but the consensus that it is a 'sound collage of FX'
versus actual music makes me hesitant to buy it.
> It could just be that the truth of it is TD isn't (and never was) a great
> live band.
From '73 to Baumann's departure in '77, every live gig was an
improvisation. Pretty scary, and awesome: three guys drafting the
architecture of free-form composition, before paying ticketholders, with
often undependable or problem-prone analog synthesizer gear. I figure this
is probably the reason Edgar and co. decided to 'play it safe' from
1980-present. Modern synth/sampler gear is much 'safer' to gamble with, and
though there are problems, still, such as MIDI-routing patch f**k-ups, I'm
surprised Ed isn't more comfortable with tools of the 90s for live
performance. However, Mark is more than well qualified to state his
argument: compare the studio versions of 'Storm Column' from LEGION (1985)
and 'It' from CRASH HEAD (1987) to the live versions on COLLIDE (the entire
performance from EMMA '95, Derby Assembly Rooms). The results are a
knockout. The bass sounds and lines are thicker, the lead lines are played
(more loosely versus faithfully) with virtually all-different voices, all
kinds of new sound FX are being played/triggered by Mark & Julian Shreeve,
and James Goddard (the 1st Shreeve act in a trio formation), resulting in a
very full sound. COLLIDE should be in any EMusic lover's collection, and so
should LEGION and CRASH HEAD, at the very least.
E-Man
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> You see, THESE kinds of posts just BEG for humor ala Eli & Dan. I
> mean...baldness???? Next thread....TD and the shoes that they wear! Come
> on! Man, this is going to take me a while to get over the stupidity of
> this post.
>
> Dano
>
> np: Wisdom OST (Elfman)
Dude, I'm glad to see you're playing that! Now I know you're happily over
the death of Boingo and coping with it, a la 'immersion therapy'! Next up:
'Dead Man's Party'! Where's my 'Back To School' video?
E-Man
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> Really-From: Bosssfan@a...
>
>
> > -- It would be much better if we *shot* the Gallagher brothers, so
they'll --
> > stop releasing albums (and so *that* won't happen again :-)
>
> Don't knock other musical forms too much, they can can be and sometimes
are as
> musically 'out there' as TD have been. (Note: have been and not are.)
> I'm a fan of TD circa 75 but I also follow alot of other forms. Check
out the
> address - Springsteen is my main stay, along with Southside et al. I saw
> Oasis last week in LA and the elder Gallagher (Noel) is one amazing
guitar
> player. I would rank him at the moment as in the world's top 5. Yes his
> brother Liam is a prat, but does that have to drag the whole group down.
Re
> other TD members!!!!!
Actually, electronic music is but one of my listening interests: I also
listen to progressive rock/metal, some classic rock (and metal, haha), and
fusion, for example. I wasn't knocking a musical form, but simply Oasis. I
used to own their 2nd CD (I forgot the name already!!!), but one day I
simply didn't appreciate it, anymore. IMHO, they are talented, but vastly
overrated. I just don't understand why some regard them as the 'Second
Coming of the Beatles.' If you dig them, hey, that's cool. I wouldn't
expect everyone to like everything I listen to. As for FM Rock, I do like
some Springsteen (Max Weinberg never had it better than on Conan O'Brien,
haha!) tunes, and Joe Walsh, Santana, Hendrix, etc., plus some of the
current stuff, like Tool (who are getting *no* airplay, it seems, nowadays)
and Radiohead :-)
> IMHO you can only slam artists from the same genre of music you're
talking
> about at that time. Otherwise you're comparing apples & oranges.
Yes, but I was just taking a quick jab, not comparing Oasis & TD's musical
styles!
> What are the dates for the supposed TD US tour of 98? Looking for
So Cal
Dan and I will definitely hit TD's show at the Palace, and want to see some
of the faces on this newslist there. Vic won't be coming out for it,
anymore (see you this summer!), but Chris aka Krausenecks said he may pop
in!
E-Man
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>
> > You see, THESE kinds of posts just BEG for humor ala Eli & Dan. I
> > mean...baldness???? Next thread....TD and the shoes that they wear! Come
> > on! Man, this is going to take me a while to get over the stupidity of
> > this post.
> >
> > Dano
> >
> > np: Wisdom OST (Elfman)
>
> Dude, I'm glad to see you're playing that! Now I know you're happily over
> the death of Boingo and coping with it, a la 'immersion therapy'! Next up:
> 'Dead Man's Party'! Where's my 'Back To School' video?
>
> E-Man
Ha ha...funny....you're just jealous I get to hear any OST I
want...released or unreleased hehehheh. BTW, did I mention that I'll be
getting a clean copy of Day of The Dead for my listening pleasure
courtesy via a list member here? Oh the cool stuff he'll be getting from
me in the mail within the next week! Can we say...'listening
slobberfest?'
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> Really-From: DJS
[Mark Shreeve's opinion of home-recording EMusicians]
> WHAT!?!?!?!? Now THIS offends me. Okay, I've always know Shreeve has a
> big ego BUT this cramps. I completely disagree with this crap. I've
> heard Riley Roden's music & midi files of several other artists (many in
> company here) and their music is quite above 'amateur', in composition
> AND production.
Riley's (Decapolis's, sorry, Riley!) 'The River' is very lush and
professional-sounding,that's for sure!
> Somehow I think that if Middleton, Nagle,
^^^^^^^^
Oops...I forgot to tell you that Paul has a real nice home-studio, the
'Soft Room'! It's also the name of his web site :-)
> Jens or any of
> us who compose at home or in smaller studios had the equipment that
> Shreeve has at our beck and call, we'd be releasing a hell of a lot more
> melodic amazing albums than Marko has (he currently releases a minimal 1
> album every 4 years AND half of them are remixed versions of Bruton
> releases or film music!!!). I guess Mark won't be getting a Goldtri CD
> because of all of the 'amateurs' on it. Of course, perhaps we should
> assume that we are all in the 1% that aren't amateur. In that case,
> we'll send one.
We want Mark to have one, though, because ________________ (don't ask,
don't tell).
:-)
E-Man
np: BOW WOW WOW (j/k)
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> Ha ha...funny....you're just jealous I get to hear any OST I
> want...released or unreleased hehehheh. BTW, did I mention that I'll be
> getting a clean copy of Day of The Dead for my listening pleasure
> courtesy via a list member here? Oh the cool stuff he'll be getting from
> me in the mail within the next week! Can we say...'listening
> slobberfest?'
>
> Dano
Day of the Dead? :-) Heh heh, what are friends are for?! Expect Don
Coscarelli, Reggie Bannister and Angus Scrimm (possible replacement: Angus
YOUNG!) to drop by your apartment with a surprise b-day gift!!!!! (All
arranged by mwah, of course).
E-Man
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>2. Brighton 1986 Guitar Part (Ride on the Ray)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*drooling*
>8. Live in Dresden Hygienemuseum 1980
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*more drooling*
Elias Granillo, Jr.
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** tadream mailing list wrote to tadream@c... :
>AND production. Somehow I think that if Middleton, Nagle, Jens or any of
>us who compose at home or in smaller studios had the equipment that
>Shreeve has at our beck and call, we'd be releasing a hell of a lot more
>melodic amazing albums than Marko has (he currently releases a minimal 1
Oddly enough I have the equipment that I want. Other than my imminent
Nord Modular of course, I can't really think of a single instrument or
device that I really need to improve any of my writing. If anyone gave
me a Moog Modular I would sell it instantly. I must tell you the story
of the complete Roland System 700 for 150 sometime....
I am in a very fortunate position that I get to try out lots of new
gear because of my writing for Sound On Sound and I have reached the
point after 20 years where I've amassed the studio I always dreamed
of. I'm hardly gonna hold back writing 'melodic amazing albums' just
because I never got round to buying that monster Lexicon reverb
yet.....
And anyway, no device will write a great melody for you.
;-)
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Subject: Re: Macula Transfer On CD!
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At 13:14 1-02-98 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>
>>Really-From: Richard Bilek
>[...]
>>announces Froese's album Macula Transfer to be
>>scheduled for release in March 1998!
>>Price is calculated on DEM 45 (german marks) - not low, not high.
>
>-- what do you mean not high??!! that's about $30US! (then there's postage,
>at least $5 us) so, about $1/minute. What a f-ing rip-off!! it's cheaper
>to get a pirate cdr! that's even expensive in the UK!
>
>thanks for posting the info richard!
>
>lars
Actually the price for the US is US$ 23.99 + US$ 3.50 shipping.
So get your facts straight before you start shouting.
Secondly, when I spoke to Mario (from Manikin) last sunday he told me
that it's still not 100% certain.
Thirthly, There were two other songs Ashra performed on KLEMdag 1997. One
was unsuited for CD (play-error) but the other song was good. So maybe in
future? Who knows?
Kees
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Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft)
Hi,
Listening to Jerome's radio show again, here are two important
newsbits that he mentioned:
US-TOUR:
Jerome said that they are still working hard on it but at this time it
is still entirely unconfirmed, no more, no less. However, he mentioned
that they expect to 'finalize certain issues this week'...
NEW MATERIAL:
Jerome was asked by Olaf Zimmerman (the host of the show) about as yet
unreleased new and also old music that TD must have stored and that
many fans have been asking about. Jerome replied the following
(paraphrazed from memory:) Yes, we have in total some 25 albums worth
of material finished and ready to be published in our vaults. I can't
really say too much, but throughout the next year, we expect that some
of this material will hit the streets, after all with our new TDI
label we are now able to really take off...
Could be good news!!!!
Hilmar
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Subject: Master for A'dam 1997
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
Hi tadreamers,
As Lars asked last time for volunteering the masters of the 1997 shows....I
made the DCC master at the Amsterdam concert.
And I'm willing to use it for a tapetree !
Best wishes,
Wouter
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>The following tracklist is provided for those of you out there without net
>access:
>1. On cranes passage DEMO
>2. Brighton 1986 Guitar Part (Ride on the Ray)
>3. Brighon 1986 Legend Leftover
>4. Mandala
>5. Unicorn Theme from Legend with Susanne Pawlitzki on Vocals
>6. Girl on the Stairs 97 / Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal Live in Brussels
1997
>7. Beach Theme 97 Live in Glasgow
>8. Live in Dresden Hygienemuseum 1980
WHAT???
Sorry, but he did NOT play 'Beach Theme 97 Live In Glasgow'. I was
listening to my tape last night again and here is what was really
played:
(now with track times)
1. On cranes passage DEMO (4:09)
2. Brighton 1986 Guitar Part (Ride on the Ray) (10:27)
3. Brighton 1986 Legend Leftover (3:43)
4. Mandala 1990 (4:49)
5. Unicorn Theme with Susanne Pawlitzki (3:07)
6. Girl on the Stairs/Thief Yang Live Brussels 1997 (12:17)
7. Live in Dresden Hygienemuseum 1980 (8:40)
The last track BTW sounded familiar, I believe I heard it on a fantape
of the 1980 tour. It is the track which starts out exactly as 'Speed'
from the Tatort 12' but then goes on to include chord changes (where
'Speed' doesn't have any), and adds additional notes, chords and
guitar...
Funny...I had no idea they played Dresden (still GDR / East Germany at
that time).
Jerome introduced the track with 'Here is something that those
disgusting bootleggers will enjoy'...
Hilmar
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> Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft)
>
> NEW MATERIAL:
> (paraphrazed from memory:) Yes, we have in total some 25 albums worth
> of material finished and ready to be published in our vaults. I can't
25 albums!! Oh what a lovely year it's going to be!
Colin
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>Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft)
[...]
>Jerome introduced the track with 'Here is something that those
>disgusting bootleggers will enjoy'...
--I suppose one should add to this 'wink-wink, nudge-nudge,
know-what-I-mean?' I think EF has always used these broadcasts as
opportunities to 'feed' his bootleggers, tape-traders & fans interesting
tidbits that he often can't release through the normal channels (ie the4
broadcast keep trax... unicorn long version, the jon anderson legend demo,
the 86 & 88 tour stuff... need I go on?); and I find it quite interesting
that the TDI version of The Keep didn't really compete with existing
bootlegs on the market... perhaps JF doesn't feel the same way (after all,
TD will be his cash cow soon) but then, why play this stuff? does he
really think that all those millions (read 'tens') of die hard TD fans stay
up all night **just** to listen to his 'primetime' broadcast once? and, of
course, he did use that baited phrase 'rarities'... talk about speaking to
his 'audience.'
They play this stuff with full and total knowledge that they are placing it
in the public domain and they know it is going to circulate. If they
really don't want it to circulate (and I believe they do want it in
circulation), they should either a) release it officially, or b) not
broadcast it at all. I think TD would be hard-pressed to prove it has ever
lost money to the bootleggers (there may be one case where they *might*
have lost some slight income to the wavelength pirates, but it wasn't
available in the UK anyway). Take some of the more notorious examples...
The boots from the 1.31.80 East Berlin show in all forms number about 2K-3K
copies. Would they really suggest that the 2K-3K people owning these would
never buy the official releases as Quichotte/Pergamon (and thus $20K-$30K
in lost revenue)? Did the Fassbinder boot (3K) cut into Logos and Poland
sales? Of course, we all know that's BS. And if they ever release the real
versions of these concerts, they'll far outsell the bootleggers!
then again, who's to say that TD isn't behind Electronic Orgy? (that would
explain the quality issue ;-)
ciao
lars
(who hope's that tournado is a demonstration of jerome's willingness to
release unmucked-with live stuff)
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Subject: Vinyl Legend to sell
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Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?='
Hi, dreamers:
My girlfriend (repeat: my girlfriend, don't me) would like to sell a copy
of Legend in vinyl.
Info:
-Legend (vinyl) - Tangerine Dream
-Front: Image of the devil with a scepter and a dark, big and long cloak.
-Back: images of Tom Cruis & Mia Sara, of the devil, of Bryan Ferry and
the unicorn.
-Edition: 1986 - Canada
-Quality: perfect.
Please, offers to my private address ( chiqui@o... ).
Dream on and best regards,
José Ramón
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Really-From: Rainer Rutka
Hi you all !
Just a question: Where can I get a copy (tape, CD-R..) from
Jerome's radio - show with TD Rarities ?
PLEEEEEEEESEEE!
Thank you _very_ much !
Rainer Rutka
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On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
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>
> >The following tracklist is provided for those of you out there without net
> >access:
>
> >1. On cranes passage DEMO
> >2. Brighton 1986 Guitar Part (Ride on the Ray)
> >3. Brighon 1986 Legend Leftover
> >4. Mandala
> >5. Unicorn Theme from Legend with Susanne Pawlitzki on Vocals
> >6. Girl on the Stairs 97 / Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal Live in Brussels
1997
> >7. Beach Theme 97 Live in Glasgow
> >8. Live in Dresden Hygienemuseum 1980
>
> WHAT???
>
> Sorry, but he did NOT play 'Beach Theme 97 Live In Glasgow'. I was
> listening to my tape last night again and here is what was really
> played:
>
> (now with track times)
>
> 1. On cranes passage DEMO (4:09)
> 2. Brighton 1986 Guitar Part (Ride on the Ray) (10:27)
> 3. Brighton 1986 Legend Leftover (3:43)
> 4. Mandala 1990 (4:49)
> 5. Unicorn Theme with Susanne Pawlitzki (3:07)
> 6. Girl on the Stairs/Thief Yang Live Brussels 1997 (12:17)
> 7. Live in Dresden Hygienemuseum 1980 (8:40)
>
> The last track BTW sounded familiar, I believe I heard it on a fantape
> of the 1980 tour. It is the track which starts out exactly as 'Speed'
> from the Tatort 12' but then goes on to include chord changes (where
> 'Speed' doesn't have any), and adds additional notes, chords and
> guitar...
>
> Funny...I had no idea they played Dresden (still GDR / East Germany at
> that time).
>
> Jerome introduced the track with 'Here is something that those
> disgusting bootleggers will enjoy'...
>
> Hilmar
>
Mit den besten Gruessen vom Bodensee !
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Subject: I'm on my knees, here...
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On Feb 3, 10:34am, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Re: Macula Transfer On CD!
> Really-From: Kees
>
> Re: Macula Transfer On CD!
(...)
>
> Secondly, when I spoke to Mario (from Manikin) last sunday he told me
> that it's still not 100% certain.
>
Oh! please, please, please... 8-)
(...)
>
> Kees
>
On Feb 3, 9:58am, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: NEWS: US-Tour and ALBUMS 1998!!!
>
> Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft)
>
>
(...)
>
> NEW MATERIAL:
> Jerome was asked by Olaf Zimmerman (the host of the show) about as yet
> unreleased new and also old music that TD must have stored and that
> many fans have been asking about. Jerome replied the following
> (paraphrazed from memory:) Yes, we have in total some 25 albums worth
> of material finished and ready to be published in our vaults. I can't
Oh! please, please, please... 8-)
(...)
>
> Could be good news!!!!
>
> Hilmar
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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On Feb 3, 8:08am, tadream mailing list wrote:
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>
> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>
(..)
>
> then again, who's to say that TD isn't behind Electronic Orgy? (that would
> explain the quality issue ;-)
I'd be quoting myself by repeating this:
If TD was to create 'TD bootleg Inc', re-acquire all the rights to all their
music, and make it all available, they will have in the undersigned buy every
single one of them with a smile on my face.
TD is my only drug.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Subject: RE: The Shreeve Chronicles
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
Frankly, I think Shreeve's jealous. I always thought there was an
unwritten rule that musicians didn't slag each other: 'So, Rick Wakeman,
what do you think of Loverboy?' 'Well, I quite like them, actually.'
Shreeve sounds like he's pissed because _he_ isn't the super-success and
_he_ doesn't get asked to score films. He certainly is good enough, but
hey, that's the way it is.
As for the '82 tour being from tape - poppycock! I have the shows from
Croydon & London, and although they're pretty similar, they're not the
same.
Presets: You know what I really hate about Mozart? That piano stuff is
all the same. Why didn't he re-tune his pianos to get different sounds
out of them?
TD's recent output: Different lineup + different times + different scene
= different band!
Scott
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Subject: Re: KRAFTWERK-AUTOBAHN
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Hi,
I was lucky enough to catch Kraftwerk on the Autobaun tour in New Orleans some
years ago. Lots of material from Ralf and Florian(thier best album) This was
right after karl and wolfgang joined the band.
I keep seeing adds for Wolfgangs cd called YAMO Time Pie.
All the adds keep saying he was a founding member of Kraftwerk...
He was NOT!!!!!!
These record people half the time dont know what they are talking about.
Bye STIGO
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Subject: RE: Jerome's TD Rarities Hour
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>>8. Live in Dresden Hygienemuseum 1980
>*more drooling*
Eww, quit drooling. Hilmar, do you know what they played? The
only date I have them in Dresden is Nov. 26, 1983. I wonder if Jerome
got it wrong? (Wouldn't be the first time.)
Scott
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I was playing Tangents today for the first time in a while and noticed the
Canyon part sounded 'different' even though it is not listed as one of
the re-recorded tracks... Can someone with the White Eagle cd (sorry, I
never upgraded that one) check to see if all the counter point way down in
the mix is on the original? It is most apparent around 2:30 and 3:45 on
the TANGENTS version...
MJ
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Subject: RE: Phaedra on Electronic Orgy
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Someone was curious why they put Phaedra (Three Phase Video) on Electronic
Orgy when it already appears on Tangents.
Believe it or not, they are slightly different. Differently balanced, and
some different samples. I noticed this only because I watched the footage
at the end of the Three Phase video about 20 times. =)
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>Just a question: Where can I get a copy (tape, CD-R..) from
>Jerome's radio - show with TD Rarities ?
>
>PLEEEEEEEESEEE!
Come on Rainer, you weren't paying attention, right? The show was broadcast
only in Berlin and SOMEONE from Berlin reported that he had it all on
tape....now who could that someone be????? ;-)
Cheers,
Hilmar Kraft
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Subject: THREE PHASE Version of 'Logos'
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>Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:10:35 -0600 you said:
>Subject: RE: Phaedra on Electronic Orgy
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: feldon@p...
>
>Someone was curious why they put Phaedra (Three Phase Video) on Electronic
>Orgy when it already appears on Tangents.
>
>Believe it or not, they are slightly different. [. . .]
Well, the one on THREE PHASE is 'live,' isn't it?
Anyways, I forget: is there a version of 'Logos' on TANGENTS that
is like the one on THREE PHASE? I ask this because I don't seem to
remember there being one, and since this version is *much* different
than any other in official release, I wonder why 'Phaedra' off of THREE
PHASE was chosen over 'Logos' on THREE PHASE for inclusion on ELECTRONIC
ORGY.
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: RALF AND FLORIAN and POLAND
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>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:58:29 EST you said:
>Subject: Re: KRAFTWERK-AUTOBAHN
>Date: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: SRiser3600@a...
>
>I was lucky enough to catch Kraftwerk on the Autobaun tour in New
>Orleans some years ago. Lots of material from Ralf and Florian (their
>best album) [. . .]
Hmmm, why is it that many Kraftwerk fans consider RALF AND FLORIAN
to be their best album (it's not like there are a heck of a lot of
albums to choose from, hee hee)? Is this the general consensus among
K-werk fans? I am an ex-Kraftwerk fan. They used to be one of my fave
bands (as was Yello), but after ELECTRONIC CAFE--in which they did a
self-parody and ripped off the bands and music that had ripped *them*
off--I could stomach no more. I had quit going to dance clubs, too, and
let me tell you: remove the dance aspect of K-werk and listen closely
to the lyrics, and then the stuff sounds pretty cheesy.
RALF AND FLORIAN is my fave K-werk album for no other reason than
its being their warmest, most melodic (read: least robotic), and most
ambient recording.
Basically, I place K-werk's music in four phases:
o Primitive (the first two albums)
o Melodic (the second two, i.e. AUTOBAHN and RALF and FLORIAN)
o Robotic (RADIOACTIVITY, TRANS-EUROPE EXPRESS, MAN MACHINE, and
COMPUTER WORLD)
o Self-parody (ELECTRONIC CAFE and the remix album)
For obligatory TD content, I should add that RALF AND FLORIAN is
probably the only K-werk album that would appeal to TD fans who don't
like POLAND (because POLAND and MIRACLE MILE are the closest TD ever
came to sounding like K-werk).
-- Steven Feldman
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> Someone was curious why they put Phaedra (Three Phase Video) on
Electronic
> Orgy when it already appears on Tangents.
>
> Believe it or not, they are slightly different. Differently balanced, and
> some different samples. I noticed this only because I watched the footage
> at the end of the Three Phase video about 20 times. =)
Well, I guess I'd have to watch it 19 more times to catch up with you!
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>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:58:41 -0500 you said:
>Subject: RE: The Shreeve Chronicles
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>Really-From: Plumer, Scott
>
>[. . .] I always thought there was an unwritten rule that musicians
>didn't slag each other [. . .]
Maybe among the genteel or the sycophantic--but among punk, garage
and indie bands? You gotta be kidding! Ever hear Lou Reed's opinion
of the Beatles' SGT. PEPPER, or vintage Johnny Rotten soundbites about
virtually anyone you can name? ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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> Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
> I was playing Tangents today for the first time in a while and noticed
the
> Canyon part sounded 'different' even though it is not listed as one of
> the re-recorded tracks... Can someone with the White Eagle cd (sorry, I
> never upgraded that one) check to see if all the counter point way down
in
> the mix is on the original? It is most apparent around 2:30 and 3:45 on
> the TANGENTS version...
The TANGENTS version, though not 're-recorded,' was indeed re-mixed (if Ed
did sneak in a little overdub here or there, too, I wouldn't be too
surprised :-)
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> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> Frankly, I think Shreeve's jealous. I always thought there was an
> unwritten rule that musicians didn't slag each other: 'So, Rick Wakeman,
> what do you think of Loverboy?' 'Well, I quite like them, actually.'
> Shreeve sounds like he's pissed because _he_ isn't the super-success and
> _he_ doesn't get asked to score films. He certainly is good enough, but
> hey, that's the way it is.
I really doubt Mark is *jealous.* As he said in his interview, he's made 'a
living from music for the last thirteeen years.' He obviously made a good
amount of money from producing and recording with Samantha Fox. He owns his
own studio, I presume, and rents out studio time (which can be quite
profitable). Mark, like TD, can do anything he wants. He has scored three
films, and much of his music has been modified for commercial use, Mark,
like the rest of us, knows TD, Klaus Schulze and Ashra/Manuel Gottsching
helped give birth to this genre of music. If anything, he may be
disappointed that TD, while being a 'cult band,' aren't being true to the
music scene they helped found. He obviously likes TD's earlier sound, which
he is furthering with releases like 'Redshift,' and 'Ether' and 'Octane'
(this last album is by ARC, featuring Mark and Ian Boddy).
> As for the '82 tour being from tape - poppycock! I have the shows from
> Croydon & London, and although they're pretty similar, they're not the
> same.
I agree, to a point. There are differences between shows all the way up to,
perhaps the NA 88 Tour. After that, excepting Paul's piano, Ed and Paul's
guitars, and 'Alexander Square' surfacing on certain shows only, TD live
has been pretty much the same show.
> Presets: You know what I really hate about Mozart? That piano stuff is
> all the same. Why didn't he re-tune his pianos to get different sounds
> out of them?
Hahaha! No keyboard player, including Mark, would ever use the 'piano' as
an example of a repetitive sound. The sound it emits is so unique, as is
the guitar, oboe, saxophone, etc., that it will *never* go out of style, no
matter how you tune it, or how often you use it!!!! :-)
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> Anyways, I forget: is there a version of 'Logos' on TANGENTS that
> is like the one on THREE PHASE? I ask this because I don't seem to
> remember there being one, and since this version is *much* different
> than any other in official release, I wonder why 'Phaedra' off of THREE
> PHASE was chosen over 'Logos' on THREE PHASE for inclusion on ELECTRONIC
> ORGY.
This remixed/rerecorded version of 'Logos' on THREE PHASE is the version
played on the 1988 NA Tour (which really made the show, for me), called
'Blue Part' on TANGENTS (the box isn't in front of me, so I could be wrong
on that last detail).
E-Man
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At 08:55 AM 2/3/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
>
>I was playing Tangents today for the first time in a while and noticed the
>Canyon part sounded 'different' even though it is not listed as one of
>the re-recorded tracks... Can someone with the White Eagle cd (sorry, I
>never upgraded that one) check to see if all the counter point way down in
>the mix is on the original? It is most apparent around 2:30 and 3:45 on
>the TANGENTS version...
and of course, don't forget that there is a mix up on the tangents discs.
one track is duplicated on 2 discs. And of course, there is the fact that
Mojave Plan, as played during the Logos concert was quite a bit different
from the WHite Eagle version already...
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> I am in a very fortunate position that I get to try out lots of new
> gear because of my writing for Sound On Sound and I have reached the
> point after 20 years where I've amassed the studio I always dreamed
> of. I'm hardly gonna hold back writing 'melodic amazing albums' just
> because I never got round to buying that monster Lexicon reverb
> yet.....
You are quite correct, however, I was actually refering to tha fact that
music will always sound fuller and more professional with better
equipment. That's what bothered me about Mark's statement which seemed
to ridicule that struggling, yet talented, musician with his 4-track and
keyboard in his basement. I refer everyone to Paul Haslingers quote Eli
posted a few days ago pertaining to the fact that Paul was jealous of
that musician recording at home that smokes on the keyboard. Paul knows
that theres a LOT of talent out there that doesn't need amazing
equipment to shine. I wonder how TD would fare these days with 2 Moogs &
a Mellotron.
>
> And anyway, no device will write a great melody for you.
With the ways computers are advancing I hope we can still say this 10
years from now. ;-)
Dano
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> Funny...I had no idea they played Dresden (still GDR / East Germany at
> that time).
>
> Jerome introduced the track with 'Here is something that those
> disgusting bootleggers will enjoy'...
Bootleggers? What's that?
Hey there Hilmar! Let's not disappoint Jerome! And now for some serious
trading! If anyone wants to trade for this Jerome deal let me know.
Hilmar? Trade?
Regards,
Dano
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> Frankly, I think Shreeve's jealous. I always thought there was an
> unwritten rule that musicians didn't slag each other: 'So, Rick Wakeman,
> what do you think of Loverboy?' 'Well, I quite like them, actually.'
> Shreeve sounds like he's pissed because _he_ isn't the super-success and
> _he_ doesn't get asked to score films. He certainly is good enough, but
> hey, that's the way it is.
Hmm, this is interesting. I own his film, Buy & Cell, and I have to say
the music, although good on it's own, really didn't fit the film.
Several tunes in the film are remixed versions of existing tunes on the
Bruton CD's. Perhaps he never has time to come up with new tunes because
he certainly remixes and re-records a lot. Though TD is somewhat guilty
of this practice (note music used in Wavelength, Thief and the Soldier)
I'd have to say they escape criticism because they have over 50 albums
out!
On the film side, it's quite difficult to score a film when you are more
of a pop fiend than a classicly trained musician. I'm not saying Mark
isn't classicly trained....many of his tunes are, as Jens might say,
bloody brilliant! I'm only saying it takes a LOT more composition to
make a synth score sound well. There are some composers which can pull
it off quite well. TD did it in the early 80's because there was no one
else doing it. Faltermeyer did well with Axel F (AND Top Gun Anthem) and
even got on the charts with that tune! Jerry Goldsmith makes amazing
work on synths with his amazing film synth-classical meld compositions
such as Hoosiers, Runaway or First Blood (and can be traced back to
Damnation Alley from the seventies!). All these guys remain busy and
give reasonable of output each year. Why is it that we get only one
release from Shreeve every 3 years or so if he's so busy composing
music?
>
> As for the '82 tour being from tape - poppycock! I have the shows from
> Croydon & London, and although they're pretty similar, they're not the
> same.
>
> Presets: You know what I really hate about Mozart? That piano stuff is
> all the same. Why didn't he re-tune his pianos to get different sounds
> out of them?
I agree with your point here...except TD is not known for keeping tghe
same sounds & patches for so long. This started in teh 90's and hasn't
changed. Edagr needs to dump his Korg and find something new....and for
the sake of Odin stop using that damn altered Stratotro spanish guitar
patch!! Ugh!!!
>
> TD's recent output: Different lineup + different times + different scene
> = different band!
Time to change though...same band+8 years same sound=boredom.
Regards,
Dano
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>Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 11:22:40 +0000 you said:
>Subject: Re: NEWS: US-Tour and ALBUMS 1998!!!
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Colin Knowles
>
>> Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft)
>>
>> NEW MATERIAL: ([Jerome] paraphrazed from memory:) Yes, we have in
>> total some 25 albums worth of material finished and ready to be
>> published in our vaults. [. . .]
>
>25 albums!! Oh what a lovely year it's going to be!
Groan. For *some* people, maybe. Somehow, I don't think you're
one of those fans who buys all the TD soundtracks, all the TD singles,
all the TD solo albums, all the TD box sets, all the TD remixes, all
the TD books (and *some* CD boots and CD-Rs). In the last 1.5-2 years,
I've spent over $600 on TD stuff.
In 1998 alone, we're already scheduled to see six more soundtracks
(RED HEAT, RED NIGHTS, FORBIDDEN, LUMINOUS VISIONS, the railway video,
and [keep yer fingers crossed:] THE KEEP), fer chrissakes, and on the
fandom front, ELECTRONIC ORGY just socked it to us for $60 or so (this
is a great CD set, but also one more straw to break the TD-buying fan's
bank account--er, back), and now we've got to steel ourselves for a 25-
CD set? I give up. There sure as shootin' better be a significant
amount of pre-80's live material, soundtrack, and studio work in this
set, or I'm not a goin' to buy it (if it's mostly post-80's live
material, you can count me out).
I have four things to say about this 25 CD's-worth of stuff thing:
o There's too much TD coming out to keep up with to begin with, and
inundating the devoted fan in this manner is obnoxious. What's the
point? To bust out of the New Age ghetto by issuing a whole lot of
pre-Private Music material so ravers can convince their friends that
not only '70-'81 TD and DREAM MIXES are worth listening to?
o Edgar's going through an anal-retentive purge now that he's stated
that he's abdicating the TD throne in the year 2000. That is why
he's releasing as much as humanly possible before Jerome takes over:
so that as 'Tangerine Dream'--or an official member thereof--Edgar
can fully partake of the spoils of each release.
o Calling TOURNADO the first 'real' live album is a farce considering
the fact that very little is ever played live in a post-90's TD show
in the first place (just because TD previously re-tooled/re-recorded
all their live albums for commercial release doesn't mean that their
live 'interpretations' of studio work weren't almost identical), so
including post-90's live material on a 25-CD set would be unwelcome
for many of us. (Not everyone here is a completist to the extent of
wanting to hear every single live rendition of 'Optical Race' or the
'Blue Bridge.'
o Isn't one Klaus Schulze enough, re this oversized-set issuing ploy?
So far, TD has two 5-CD sets. What do you think they'll do, now?
Put out 5 more, or spew it all out at once as a 25-CD monster? This
would provide ammunition for TD detractors/rock critics, who could
say, '25 CDs and each one as lame or lamer than the last,' or worse,
'one good CD, and the rest should be used for skeet shooting or drink
coasters.' Besides, face it, if any of it was good enough to release
individually, don't you think they wouldn've done it already? I mean,
does anyone really want 25 CD's-worth of 'Quinoa' (or 'Lost Tale,' or
DEADLY CARE, or 'Beavertown,' or 'Roaring of the Bliss,' or 'Fort
Worth Runway One')? Feh.
-- Steven Feldman, Pulling His Hair Out*
* What little there is left, that is. ;) --S.F.
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> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>
> >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:58:29 EST you said:
> >Subject: Re: KRAFTWERK-AUTOBAHN
> >Date: tadream mailing list
> >Really-From: SRiser3600@a...
> >
> >I was lucky enough to catch Kraftwerk on the Autobaun tour in New
> >Orleans some years ago. Lots of material from Ralf and Florian (their
> >best album) [. . .]
>
> Hmmm, why is it that many Kraftwerk fans consider RALF AND FLORIAN
> to be their best album (it's not like there are a heck of a lot of
> albums to choose from, hee hee)? Is this the general consensus among
> K-werk fans? I am an ex-Kraftwerk fan. They used to be one of my fave
> bands (as was Yello), but after ELECTRONIC CAFE--in which they did a
> self-parody and ripped off the bands and music that had ripped *them*
> off--I could stomach no more. I had quit going to dance clubs, too, and
> let me tell you: remove the dance aspect of K-werk and listen closely
> to the lyrics, and then the stuff sounds pretty cheesy.
> RALF AND FLORIAN is my fave K-werk album for no other reason than
> its being their warmest, most melodic (read: least robotic), and most
> ambient recording.
> Basically, I place K-werk's music in four phases:
>
> o Primitive (the first two albums)
> o Melodic (the second two, i.e. AUTOBAHN and RALF and FLORIAN)
> o Robotic (RADIOACTIVITY, TRANS-EUROPE EXPRESS, MAN MACHINE, and
> COMPUTER WORLD)
> o Self-parody (ELECTRONIC CAFE and the remix album)
>
> For obligatory TD content, I should add that RALF AND FLORIAN is
> probably the only K-werk album that would appeal to TD fans who don't
> like POLAND (because POLAND and MIRACLE MILE are the closest TD ever
> came to sounding like K-werk).
>
> -- Steven Feldman
'Poland' in itself covers more ground than all those KW albums. Thus, for
those who want a simple listen. 'Poland' is definately a huge dose of
everything--and even though I have listened to T.E.E and M.M more times
than 'Poland', that dosn't mean they are better. Right now, 'Poland' is a
once a month album, but it will always have its staying power long after my
KW have found the bottom of the pile.
Greg H...
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Subject: No More Live Versions of Studio Tracks, Please!
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>Date: On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:08:08 -0500 you said:
>Subject: Re: TD rarities at Jerome's radio show
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>Really-From: Lars R. Jones <105411.3107@c...>
>
>(who hope's that tournado is a demonstration of jerome's willingness to
>release unmucked-with live stuff)
Funny--and I thought TOURNADO was some pretty mucky live stuff. ;)
Read my lips: no more live albums with live renditions of studio-
released material! This isn't the 1970s.
-- Steven Feldman
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>Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 11:02:44 GMT you said:
>Subject: Re: TD rarities at Jerome's radio show
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>Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft)
>
>1. On cranes passage DEMO (4:09)
>2. Brighton 1986 Guitar Part (Ride on the Ray) (10:27)
These could be interesting.
>3. Brighton 1986 Legend Leftover (3:43)
Huh?!? Does 'Leftover' mean studio outtake or live version of
non-released studio outtake???
>4. Mandala 1990 (4:49)
Cute: a 5 minute version of what was originally an hour-long
track. Shades of 'Phaedra' and 'Logos'! ;)
Will the full version see release anytime (soon)?
>5. Unicorn Theme with Susanne Pawlitzki (3:07)
Is this a studio recording? Who the heck is *she*?
>6. Girl on the Stairs/Thief Yang Live Brussels 1997 (12:17)
Why oh why wasn't stuff like this on TOURNADO, instead of f**king
live versions of stuff from readily-available studio albums?
>7. Live in Dresden Hygienemuseum 1980 (8:40)
Whatever that means. Could this be--gasp--a new non-studio-album
track that hasn't got a name nor slated for 'Limited Edition CD' release
or somesuch? ;)
>The last track BTW sounded familiar, I believe I heard it on a fantape
>of the 1980 tour. It is the track which starts out exactly as 'Speed'
>from the Tatort 12' but then goes on to include chord changes (where
>'Speed' doesn't have any), and adds additional notes, chords and
>guitar...
Well, it certainly sounds like it's hyper. :)
>Jerome introduced the track with 'Here is something that those
>disgusting bootleggers will enjoy'...
Someone tell him to stop inhaling his hair spray.
-- Steven Feldman
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> I have four things to say about this 25 CD's-worth of
stuff thing:
Wait a minute! Who said they were going to release 25 CD's this
year? All he had was that they had 25 CD's worth of stuff 'ready to
release.' To me, that means that maybe it was mixed & mastered, but that
doesn't sound to me like they're going to release 25 CD's!!! They'd be
crazy if they did. Who'd buy them? Well, Lars & Steve, maybe, but who
else? That's called 'saturating the market' - with too many to choose
from, will any make enough money to justify its production? I doubt it.
What they really out to do is this: (they should have done this
years ago) issue a newsletter through which they'd offer limited runs of
select materials from their vaults: concerts, unreleased studio stuff,
ST's, etc. Minimize production costs by having minimal artwork, don't
remix them (esp. the live stuff), and have limited runs at somewhat
higher costs to the buyer. The Dead for years have been issuing live
3-CD sets called 'Dick's Picks' which are selected by their tape
archivist, Dick. They're issued in runs of just a few thousand, and most
are sold via their newsletter. The Dick's Picks CD's are unremixed, and
as-recorded. TD could easily do this with all their live stuff from the
'70s.
Scott
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Really-From: francois magnan
It's seems that many TD fans are also Castlevania addict. I 've played
almost castlevania game, and yes, the music is really great. Others games
with great music are the Ninja Gaiden trilogy (particularly the first one).
For those of you who don't have the chance to play these games and are
asking why this game music topic are running here, then i can only suggest
to you to go to this next to sites. You can find there many midi files of of
these two games.
http://www.classicgaming.com/ninjagaiden/frames.html
http://www.classicgaming.com/castlevania/dungeon.htm
Enjoy the music
FM-lui
Francois Magnan
Pointe-du-Lac,Qc
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At 09:58 AM 2/3/98 GMT, you wrote:
>US-TOUR:
>Jerome said that they are still working hard on it but at this time it
>is still entirely unconfirmed, no more, no less. However, he mentioned
>that they expect to 'finalize certain issues this week'...
Here's hoping maybe they have heard some of the response from fans and this
list and are doing a slight re-tool of the show for the US. T'would be nice.
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Really-From: Mitchell Dvoskin
Just for everyones info, I came across in last weeks Variety magazine
the
bankruptcy notice for Alliance Entertainment, which specifically
included
Castle Communications (US), and One Way Records. While this does not
mean that they are going out of business, it would be wise to would pick
up
any CD's that you may want from those 2 labels while they are easily
available.
Also, for everyones information...
Phillips (usa) just came out with an audio CD-R recorder for $599. This
is a piece of stereo equipment, not computer equipment. It hooks up to
your
stereo like a tape deck, accepts both analog and digital input/output.
Unfortunately, it uses the more expensive 'for consumer/music only'
blanks
like the Pioneer units ($8.00 retail here in NJ). After being told that
Sears
has the unit, I went to 3 different stores. The sales staff at two of
them did
not know what I was talking about, but the final store had them on
display
and in stock (sales staff still could not answer any questions). It is
not as
impressive as the Pioneer units (of which I own one), but still
incredible at
the price.
/Mitchell
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At 11:05 AM 2/3/98 EST, you wrote:
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>>Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:10:35 -0600 you said:
>>Subject: RE: Phaedra on Electronic Orgy
>>From: tadream mailing list
>>Really-From: feldon@p...
>>
>>Someone was curious why they put Phaedra (Three Phase Video) on Electronic
>>Orgy when it already appears on Tangents.
>>
>>Believe it or not, they are slightly different. [. . .]
>
> Well, the one on THREE PHASE is 'live,' isn't it?
> Anyways, I forget: is there a version of 'Logos' on TANGENTS that
>is like the one on THREE PHASE? I ask this because I don't seem to
>remember there being one, and since this version is *much* different
>than any other in official release, I wonder why 'Phaedra' off of THREE
>PHASE was chosen over 'Logos' on THREE PHASE for inclusion on ELECTRONIC
>ORGY.
I have no idea why Logos didn't make it onto Electronic Orgy.
Tangents 3 Phase Electronic Orgy
Logos-Blue End Credits N/A
Phaedra 88* Phaedra 88* Phaedra 88*
* I detect no difference between these Phaedras... But the Logos-Blue
segment is different on 3 Phase is different from the Tangents version.
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>
>
>> Someone was curious why they put Phaedra (Three Phase Video) on
>Electronic
>> Orgy when it already appears on Tangents.
>>
>> Believe it or not, they are slightly different. Differently balanced, and
>> some different samples. I noticed this only because I watched the footage
>> at the end of the Three Phase video about 20 times. =)
>
>Well, I guess I'd have to watch it 19 more times to catch up with you!
>
Whoa, I just had a brain-melt. It is an excellent question as to why
PHAEDRA appears on Electronic Orgy since the THREE PHASE version is
identical to the TANGENTS version.
I am thinking of Logos-Blue, which is different (End Credits) on the Three
Phase video than Tangents.
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Subject: Re: 25 Albums-Worth of TD Ready to Be Published
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> >I have four things to say about this 25 CD's-worth of
> >stuff thing:
>
> Wait a minute! Who said they were going to release 25 CD's this
> year? All he had was that they had 25 CD's worth of stuff 'ready to
> release.' To me, that means that maybe it was mixed & mastered, but that
> doesn't sound to me like they're going to release 25 CD's!!! They'd be
> crazy if they did. Who'd buy them? Well, Lars & Steve, maybe, but who
> else? That's called 'saturating the market' - with too many to choose
> from, will any make enough money to justify its production? I doubt it.
Exactly. TD has had hundreds of hours of unreleased music in their vaults
(dungeons?)
for years. TDI has now been formed to perhaps 'begin' to allow some of this
music to reach the fans. They will undoubtedly release a new CD this year,
but Ed should give what us what we fans are drooling for, and concurrently
release a CD or two of vintage music, at the very least.
> What they really out to do is this: (they should have done this
> years ago) issue a newsletter through which they'd offer limited runs of
> select materials from their vaults: concerts, unreleased studio stuff,
> ST's, etc. Minimize production costs by having minimal artwork, don't
> remix them (esp. the live stuff), and have limited runs at somewhat
> higher costs to the buyer. The Dead for years have been issuing live
> 3-CD sets called 'Dick's Picks' which are selected by their tape
> archivist, Dick. They're issued in runs of just a few thousand, and most
> are sold via their newsletter. The Dick's Picks CD's are unremixed, and
> as-recorded. TD could easily do this with all their live stuff from the
> '70s.
This is a cool idea, IMO. These discs just need a catchy umbrella-title,
like 'Dick's Picks.' Ed's Bread? (haha) By pressing a limited, virtually
pre-sold run, they could even keep the cost way down on a double-disc set.
E-Man
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>Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 14:45:41 you said:
>Subject: Re: NEWS: US-Tour and ALBUMS 1998!!!
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Michael Fox
>
>>US-TOUR:
>
>Here's hoping maybe they have heard some of the response from fans and
>this list and are doing a slight re-tool of the show for the US.
>T'would be nice.
Yeah, hopefully with a track list something like this:
Set One:
1) A song that's never been recorded nor played live before
2) Another song that's never been recorded nor played live before
3) Yet another song that's never been recorded nor played live before
Set Two:
4) Yet another song that's never been recorded nor played live before
5) Yet another song that's never been recorded nor played live before
6) Yet another song that's never been recorded nor played live before
Encore:
7) Cover version of a track from the RED SHIFT album ;) (Hey it
would beat the crap out of a cover of another 60's or 70's Rock
tune or another Classical reinterpretation!)
But I'm not holding my breath. Hey, maybe Edgar will perform the
long KEEP ending, figuring that the writer/owners of 'The Snowman' only
give a hoot about releasing the tune to a recorded medium and that
playing it live won't matter as long as it doesn't get released to
LP/CA/CD/etc. ;) Hey, looks like *I'm* the one holding his breath,
now, hee hee.
Look, just because TD/Edgar doesn't want to go back to playing the
kind of stuff he played before doesn't mean that he can't go back to
performing the way he did before. ;) As it is, he's certainly playing
stuff he's played--and recorded--before. ;) ;) :(
-- Steven Feldman
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> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> Set One:
> 1) A song that's never been recorded nor played live before
> 2) Another song that's never been recorded nor played live before
> 3) Yet another song that's never been recorded nor played live before
> Set Two:
> 4) Yet another song that's never been recorded nor played live before
> 5) Yet another song that's never been recorded nor played live before
> 6) Yet another song that's never been recorded nor played live before
> Encore:
> 7) Cover version of a track from the RED SHIFT album ;) (Hey it
> would beat the crap out of a cover of another 60's or 70's Rock
> tune or another Classical reinterpretation!)
Hey, this just may be the best TD tour ever, haha! I'm sure we'll just get
a variation of what went down on the UK Tour, though. As long as they
aren't too generous with selections from GC, TotT, ToB (which I like), and
throw in some vintage stuff ('Beach Scene'? 'Streethawk'? 'Choronzon'?),
along with some Dream Mixes trax, too, it will make for an enjoyable
listen. This time we'll Emil to watch, too (if they bring him over).
E-Man
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Really-From: Mark Fonda
All the discussion about Shreeve's attitude on 'amateur' musicians made
me remember another interview I read with Peter Seiler in Sequences
Issue #18 (mid-1997):
Q: How do you think E.M. could achieve a big breakthrough in terms of
sales, media and publicity?
A: (excerpts) From my point of view I suppose the current E.M. scene is
overcrowded. There are too many CD's on the market. Since the price of
second hand recording equipment and manufacturing of the CD's has
dropped so much, hundreds of 'Hobby-homemade-silver-cookies' literally
grew like mushrooms on the market but the cake remained the same. I
mean it's a small niche and if nothing spectacular happens, set up from
TV or special radio shows for that category it will still be a small
niche.
Around 1990 there was a strong demand and some labels such as IC had
very good products and a serious marketing concept but all the others
with their run of the mill stuff now block the market, there's simply no
place left in the stores...
Nowadays it's pretty tough for newcomers and regrettably for those who
are really talented to get into the stores. Institutions or events such
as KLEM, Schwingugen, EMMA, your magazine and others are very important
and helpful but as you know you always reach a small bunch of the same
people. I believe the current circumstances will sift the wheat from
the chaff. As I said a necessary step forward would be to have a radio
or TV show, without having that platform the music will remain in that
certain small circle. You've got to hear the music, it's as simple as
that!
Here's my reaction to this:
Essentially, he's blaming the amateur musician for 'flooding' the market
with cheap CD's and it has diluted the limited sales base. He may have
a point, but it is short-sighted... there are many upstart musicians who
would never have an opportunity to produce a product at all if it were
not for inexpensive 'home-studio' equipment. And it's just like
anything else, the more people participating, eventually you're going to
produce some superstars. What's more, the wanna-be's are great
promoters of the genre and they definitely do more good than harm. And
you never know... one of these guys could be the next Mark Shreeve... or
better yet, the next Beatles. Personally, I don't see how a music
sensation will ever occur with e-music because the general public cannot
relate to music without vocals and with so little understanding of the
instruments. Seiler's comments about a TV or Radio blitz is also kind
of backwards, because if there is swelling talent and popularity, media
coverage will soon follow. The best way to promote music is by word of
mouth... and if something is good enough, word *will* get around.
Regards,
Mark
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Subject: *Third* KEEP Long Ending Discovered (on tape!) Klaus Beschorner , Grant Middleton
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Folks,
In private e-mail, it seems that a *third* long ending of THE KEEP
has turned up.
In the long version most people saw on TV, Glaeken floats down to
Magda Cuza in a mist, and comes back to life with a gasp.
In the long version I saw, Glaeken carries Molasar down into the
bowels of the keep.
In the verion that I just heard about, Glaeken and Magda hold
hands and we see their reflection in the water (which means that
Glaeken now has a reflection and hence now human, unlike before).
If you ask me, this third version sounds like the nicest ending
of all. I can't wait to see it. I am still confused, though: if
Glaeken is alive in the third version, how did he come to be so if he
didn't float down to Magda in a mist? Does he merely walk out of one
of the crevices formed from the removal of one of the silver crosses???
I should be seeing this version soon enough. It would really be nice
if someone were to send me a copy of the version where Glaeken floats
down in a mist, too, for the purposes of comparison. (A couple of
people were originally going to do so for me off-list, but somehow it
never ended up happening. Maybe they'll contact me again, now?) As
a teaser for you all, maybe this third version has a different piece
of music at the end unlike the other two endings which share the same
music between them.
See, once again we have a case of new KEEP stuff turning up again
just when we thought everything that could be said about it on this
list had been said. ;)
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
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On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:55:34 -0800, tadream@c... (tadream
mailing list) wrote:
>You are quite correct, however, I was actually refering to tha fact that
>music will always sound fuller and more professional with better
I guess so. I'm rather odd in that I actually resist piling on the
'fullness' most of the time. Less is more and all that. I know a lot
of people want this wall of sound thing and it's easy enough to create
(I tend to resort to it live, for example) but.....hell what do I
know?
>I wonder how TD would fare these days with 2 Moogs &
>a Mellotron.
Better - once they started making the gear work for them instead of
lazily flicking through zillions of existing patches....
>> And anyway, no device will write a great melody for you.
>With the ways computers are advancing I hope we can still say this 10
>years from now. ;-)
I guarantee I'll be saying it. I just hope it's really true.....
;-)
Paul
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On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:25:53 -0800, tadream@c... (tadream mailing
list) wrote:
>Exactly. TD has had hundreds of hours of unreleased music in their vaults
>(dungeons?)
Apparently Chopin, on his deathbed, insisted that much of his most
recent work be destroyed as it was sub-standard. Just thought I'd
share that with you at this point....
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On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:37:23 -0400, tadream@c... (tadream
mailing list) wrote:
>promoters of the genre and they definitely do more good than harm. And
>you never know... one of these guys could be the next Mark Shreeve... or
>better yet, the next Beatles. Personally, I don't see how a music
Only one point here (God I'm in the mood tonight): imagine a violinist
recording an album after only a few months playing. No way would it be
played as well as something he recorded a year, five years, ten years
later. If he never 'learned' except by tinkering about by himself,
alone, how good would he be to listen to?
What I'm labouring to say is that even though it is superficially
easier to make a synth sound 'good' (certainly easier than a violin),
there is no substitute for those magic elements time, practice and
experience (hey we could form a triangle......) Oh, and playing with
other musicians (phew, saved!)
OK, enough of that....I'm gibbering again....
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
What a wonderful surprise to find that my Orgy was waiting for me when I
got home today! The Electronic Orgy, of course.
Man, what a great set. I've only listened to disks 2 and 3 so far, but
already I have to sing it's praises. It was terribly nostalgic for me to
hear some of this stuff again. I have a few of these songs on vinyl, but
haven't been able to hear it since my records went down into my parents'
basement back in 1990. And the high quality of the transfer ensures that
the music sounds as good as I remembered it. Or better. I'd forgotten
how wonderfully atmospheric Froese's OS 452 is. It's like a sci-fi
Western soundtrack. And there's all the late 80s cheese like Time For
Heroes, Alexander Square and House of the Rising Sun, but it was still
cool to hear them again. And the Radio version of Streethawk! *That*
made me smile. In a way, this compilation is TD at its most accessible.
It collects most of their attempts to be 'commercial', with the singles
and radio remixes. How ironic that it would then also comprise some of
their hardest-to-find material! Now, if I hadn't actually been a TD fan
in my teens, I'd probably feel differently about the material, since it
wouldn't provoke a trip down memory lane. I'd be curious to hear what new
fans to Tangerine Dream think of some of this stuff.
I have a question though. I'm sure this has been answered in the
tadream mailing list before, but what's the deal with Flock....is the
version on EO recorded at the proper speed? Because I'm sure that I've
heard this song before, but in a slowed down state (a version I prefer).
At any rate, here's a big THANK YOU going out to Dan. You are da man!
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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In a message dated 98-02-02 01:09:24 EST, you write:
<<
The calls for participation will require such information from you as:
1) your geographical location (for organizational purposes)
2) at what level you wish to participate (eg source, digital branch, analog
branch, leaf)
>>
1) Florida, USA
2) leaf
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Really-From: PhilPDX@a...
In a message dated 98-02-01 21:04:01 EST, you write:
<< This week we would like to hear comments on:
Klaus Schulze - any releases
---------------------------- >>
Oh, please, not again! We flogged this to death a month or two ago, resulting
in endless diatribes of 'Schulze is God' vs. 'Schulze Sucks!' Besides, how
can you decide where to start for someone who has released over 100 CDs???
Ok, I'll bite.
I think Schulze can be very good, if hardly a deity. But he can also suck.
It seems he gets stuck in a certain style for several years, trying virtually
all variations on it, before moving on to the next thing. I really hope he is
moving on from his pseudo-classical and opera period, for example.
I liked him best in the mid-70's to early 80's, from Timewind through about
En=Trance. Like TD, I think his best years are long behind him. Unlike TD
(this is all IMO, of course), he still can produce something that I think is
terrific - like 1994's In Blue. I haven't been 'excited' about a TD release
since Underwater Sunlight. His colloborations have also been interesting, if
mixed - such as the Richard Wahnfried projects and his Dark Side of the Moog
series with Pete Namlook and Bill Lasswell. I've heard that DSOTM6 is the
best yet, but I've yet to hear it.
My favorites are, in no particular order: Timewind, Audentity, Mirage,
Irrlicht, In Blue, and Body Love 2.
Least favorites, that I've heard, would probably be Blackdance (not terrible,
but boring), Beyond Recall, and several discs from the Silver Edition, just
because they sound so much alike, and so much like other releases from that
time (Royal Festival Hall, The Dome Event), only not as good. I also didn't
care much for Des Wagner Desaster. I'm sure I'd hate Totentag if I ever heard
it, since I just can't get into opera.
Guess that's about it.
Phil Derby
Now playing: Dilate's Octagon CD - great floating ambience...ahh...
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Subject: TD live Wash., DC
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Really-From: Mak0shark@a...
For anyone interested in the DC show 3/28, I called the 9:30 club and the
gentleman that I spoke to said he 'handled info. regarding concerts there',
said that he didn't have anything listed on 3/28 nor did he see anything about
Tangerine Dream.
I'll let you know if I hear anything else.
Also, on a side note. I was fooling around with AOL's chat rooms and noticed
that they have a chat room that is linked to their German on-line service. I
went into 5 different rooms and none of the English speaking people that
responded to me had ever heard of Tangerine Dream. What the hell is up with
that?
Mak0shark@a...
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Subject: ex-TD sighting
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Really-From: Hanson Family
Hello all,
I don't know if anyone cares but I just saw an computer animated video by Paul
Haslinger called World without Rules. It was on the 3D Sudio SIGGRAPH '97 demo
reel from Kinetix (maker of 3D Studio MAX, the software used to create the
animations).
Enjoy,
doug
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O /\ * *
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Subject: 9:30 Club in DC
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Really-From: mikey@n... (Mike Szymendera)
>Really-From: Mak0shark@a...
>
>
>For anyone interested in the DC show 3/28, I called the 9:30 club and the
>gentleman that I spoke to said he 'handled info. regarding concerts there',
>said that he didn't have anything listed on 3/28 nor did he see anything about
>Tangerine Dream.
>
>I'll let you know if I hear anything else.
Anyone have any insights on the 9:30 Club??? I checked it out on the
web-maps, and I'm curious as to it's proximity to a Metro Station,
the type of facility it is, etc. Last time I saw TD in DC, they played
@ the Lisner Aud @ GWU...
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59
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Subject: Re: *Third* KEEP Long Ending...FALSE ALARM!!
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Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings all!
>Folks,
> In private e-mail, it seems that a *third* long ending of THE KEEP
>has turned up.
> In the long version most people saw on TV, Glaeken floats down to
>Magda Cuza in a mist, and comes back to life with a gasp.
[...]
> In the verion that I just heard about, Glaeken and Magda hold
>hands and we see their reflection in the water (which means that
>Glaeken now has a reflection and hence now human, unlike before).
Steve, we talked about this last year on the phone. *BOTH* of the above
scenes are FROM THE SAME LONG VERSION AS BROADCAST ON US TV!!!! In short:
after the gasp comes the reflection. This scene above also contains THE
*EXACT* SAME MUSIC *AND* SOUND EFFECTS AS ON YOUR TOURING CASSETTE!!! As
you will both see *and* hear when you get your copy of the video...;)
I am also awaiting a copy of the *final* version of the shooting script,
which will *finally* put this matter to rest...because according to all of
my sources, only *ONE* ending was shot! The shorter ending is merely an
edit of the longer version broadcast as stated above! We'll know soon
enough...
goozer ('Every time I think I'm out they pull me *RIGHT* back in!') ;)
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at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 5:59
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Subject: Re: THREE PHASE Version of 'Logos'
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Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings all!
>I have no idea why Logos didn't make it onto Electronic Orgy.
Maybe because the version on _Three Phase_ is actually an *edit*, not a new
version.;) When I first played the LD, I was *sooooo* angry about that! It
felt like an additional kick in the teeth, since we weren't getting the
*complete* show on video as originally promised...
goozer
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at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has
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Date: Wed Feb 4, 1998 3:34
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Subject: Re: ex-TD sighting
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> I don't know if anyone cares but I just saw an computer animated video by Paul
> Haslinger called World without Rules. It was on the 3D Sudio SIGGRAPH '97
> demo reel from Kinetix (maker of 3D Studio MAX, the software used to
> create the animations).
I was at SIGGRAPH, and a remixed version of Paul's 'Monkey Brain
Sushi' accompanied the video which opened the 'Electronic Theatre'.
Perhaps this Kinetix video is the same one.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Subject: Re: Bedroom Musicians
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Really-From: feldon@p...
At 11:09 PM 2/3/98 GMT, you wrote:
>Really-From: Paul Nagle
>
>On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:37:23 -0400, tadream@c... (tadream
>mailing list) wrote:
>
>>promoters of the genre and they definitely do more good than harm. And
>>you never know... one of these guys could be the next Mark Shreeve... or
>>better yet, the next Beatles. Personally, I don't see how a music
>
>Only one point here (God I'm in the mood tonight): imagine a violinist
>recording an album after only a few months playing. No way would it be
>played as well as something he recorded a year, five years, ten years
>later. If he never 'learned' except by tinkering about by himself,
>alone, how good would he be to listen to?
My contribution to the 'amateur' vs. 'professional' musician debate is...
it takes, not so much great skill, as a deep appreciation and understanding
of how sound mixes together to create beautiful sequencer lines. The
amateur musician may *more* than make up for lack of training by *profound*
handling of sequencing using his/her abilities to hear the multiple
sequencer lines in their head...
feldon@p...
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Date: Wed Feb 4, 1998 4:38
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Subject: Re: D:Solo Week 34 - Feb. 2, 1998
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In a message dated 98-02-03 21:46:46 EST, you write:
<< I've heard that DSOTM6 is the
best yet, but I've yet to hear it. >>
well, its definately the most accessible...almost on the verge of being a jazz
fusion experiment...schulze is way out front on this one, with namlook
suppling some funky beatz and laswell for once not trying to be the
leader...better produced than some of the earlier ones, but definately not for
the ambient purist...
tom w
np: za siodma gora - muzyka jakiej swiat nie widzi
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Date: Wed Feb 4, 1998 4:48
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Subject: Re: 9:30 Club in DC
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In a message dated 98-02-03 22:24:41 EST, you write:
<< Anyone have any insights on the 9:30 Club??? >>
its a pit...
tom w
sp: za siodma gora - muzyka jakiej swiat nie widzi
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Really-From: Vic Rek
>Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
><< I've heard that DSOTM6 is the
> best yet, but I've yet to hear it. >>
>
>well, its definately the most accessible...almost on the verge of being a jazz
>fusion experiment...schulze is way out front on this one, with namlook
>suppling some funky beatz and laswell for once not trying to be the
>leader...better produced than some of the earlier ones, but definately not for
>the ambient purist...
I'm still patiently waiting for my copy!
>np: za siodma gora - muzyka jakiej swiat nie widzi
np: Beyond the 7th Mountain? - 'Music that the World has never (can't) see(n)',
is this what you're saying? More info please :-)
Vic
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Date: Wed Feb 4, 1998 12:09
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Subject: re; EDGAR'S DETRITUS
Paul is very naughty, always stirring a pot or two. Edgar needs a little, shall we say, discrimination in the aesthetics department. One can feel the hot breath of tadreamers chasing Edgar for a glimpse of the emperor's new clothes. Amusing and depressing.
hugs,
bill2.
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Subject: Re: 25 Albums/Paul Nagle TLE
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: Paul Nagle
>
> >Exactly. TD has had hundreds of hours of unreleased music in their
vaults
> >(dungeons?)
>
> Apparently Chopin, on his deathbed, insisted that much of his most
> recent work be destroyed as it was sub-standard. Just thought I'd
> share that with you at this point....
>
> Paul
Hahahaha! Where do you come up with this stuff? That's great, I never knew
that! (I've only heard the old Beethoven or Bach 'decomposing' joke.)
While I'm responding to Paul, let me plug his new CD, which the kind
synthesist gent just recently sent to me. It's called THE LIVE ELEMENT, TLE
for short, and is comprised of tracks recorded at Jodrell Bank and Electric
Cafe during 1997. At Jodrell, Paul is joined by Tony Bateman (rainstick,
bongos, djembe, synthesizer) and Dave Robinson (djembe, synth). At E.C.,
Paul's partner-in-crime is John Hickey (djembe, rainstick, synth & voice).
TLE is faithful to the 'Berlin School of Electronics' (read: sequences
aplenty), replete with lush atmospheric melodics; analog voices abound.
This disc, I must add, is a heck of a lot more interesting than other crap
I've heard that falls under the 'Berlin School' banner. Analog freaks will
love this. 'Squash and Go' is a great model of sequences-in-overdrive.
'Eaten By Pigs' and 'Antics In F Minor,' and 'Carmageddon' justify Paul's
seasoned approach to composition in a pure EM-style. There are ten tracks
total, over 70 minutes of music. Well worth the bucks. There are two epics
for die-hards: 'Under The Telescope, Parts 1-3,' 20:29 (cumulative total;
the tracks are indexed but segue into each other); and 'Going Grey'
(16:09).
I believe Paul sells direct or this is available from Eurock. I understand
Paul has four CDs in a series called 'Elements'----EARTHSHAPER, FIREDANCER.
WAVEMAKER, and SKYRIDER. I have yet to hear these albums.
E-Man
np: ELECTRONIC ORGY, Disc Three, 'Streethawk' (radio remix)
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Subject: Tangerine Ambience?
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Really-From: LADY OF THE LIZARDS
TA is the music that is td music covered by other artist right? If so, could
someone involved in the project contact me privately. I need to know if their
will be future projects like this. If so, I can do piano solo of:
ricochet/stratosfear (IL), pergamon/tangram, and sun gate, among others.
thanks
riley roden
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Subject: Re: TD live Wash., DC
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Really-From: DAVENTURA@a...
In a message dated 98-02-03 22:06:13 EST, you write:
<< English speaking people that
responded to me had ever heard of Tangerine Dream. What the hell is up with
that? >>
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Subject: Re: TD live Wash., DC
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Really-From: DAVENTURA@a...
Excuse the last post, Email problems with AOL. I always ask that question in
the chat rooms I visit. Seems that no one has ever heard of TD. Or they
vaguely remember hearing the name. Always get the question, ' What songs do
they do?'
I'm always amazed when someone says, 'Yeah, didn't they do some movie
soundtrack or something?'...BTW..Absolutely no mention of TD in last weeks
LA Times Calendar section, which lists ALL upcoming concerts...David
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Date: Wed Feb 4, 1998 11:20
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Subject: Re: 25 Albums-Worth of TD Ready to Be Published
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Really-From: Colin Knowles
> Really-From: Pissed.On, Pissed.Off, and Broke
>
> >25 albums!! Oh what a lovely year it's going to be!
>
> Groan. For *some* people, maybe. Somehow, I don't think you're
> one of those fans who buys all the TD soundtracks, all the TD singles,
> all the TD solo albums, all the TD box sets, all the TD remixes, all
>
Good point. So far I am proud to proclaim to the world, well this list, that I
currently have*one* soundtrack (Oasis), *no* TD singles (though I am looking!),
one KS solo and one EF
solo album (Beyond the Storm), 3 box sets (basically because it was an easy way
to
buy a
copy of the 'old' stuff instead of buying numerous CDs) and one re-mix (DM if
they
count!),
so now if most of it turns out to be of a similar standard of the second BtS CD
then no I won't
be buying either!
> (RED HEAT, RED NIGHTS, FORBIDDEN, LUMINOUS VISIONS, the railway video,
>
Isn't Luminous Visions a video as well?
I agree with everyone else-a 25 CD set isn't really on the cards here. I imagine
they'll probably
dift out a couple a year for a while, maybe as boxed sets (could use them for
door
stops then
if they turn out bad! :-) ).
Just hope there's something 'original' in all of it!
Colin
n.p. Chronologie-JMJ
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Subject: Re: Mojave Plan +25 CDs
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
> I was playing Tangents today for the first time in a while and noticed the
> Canyon part sounded 'different' even though it is not listed as one of
> the re-recorded tracks... Can someone with the White Eagle cd (sorry, I
I think this is the track (if not then its another WE one) where the intro is
differerent
than the album, better actually! It also has a rather 'wet' sounding trumpet
sound
which
sounds a lot worse than the original.
On a similar point-if at least some of the 25 CD's worth of unreleased stuff is
anywhere
near as good as the unreleased stuff on the Tangents 5th CD I'll be happy!
Colin
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Subject: RE: Tangerine Ambience?
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Really-From: Michael Richard
Hi!
>will be future projects like this. If so, I can do piano solo of:
>ricochet/stratosfear (IL), pergamon/tangram, and sun gate, among others.
If you can do that, I'm sure you can help me! Can you tell me what you found
for Ricochet and Stratosfear? I can play them, but it doesn't sound exactly
like on the album. First of all, is it at least in Ebm?
See ya!
:) Michael (:
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Subject: Re: THREE PHASE Version of 'Logos'
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> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>
> >Really-From: feldon@p...
> >
> >Someone was curious why they put Phaedra (Three Phase Video) on Electronic
> >Orgy when it already appears on Tangents.
> >
> >Believe it or not, they are slightly different. [. . .]
>
> Well, the one on THREE PHASE is 'live,' isn't it?
It didn't sound very 'live' to me...they did perform it
live during the European tour, but originally I think it
was just a new version of the original 1982 Logos, with
some new sounds, etc. I suppose that in 1982, when they
were still working largely with analogue stage equipment
that had to be programmed during the concerts, they
couldn't have played the new version live. It probably
emerged when they had digital technology availbale and
decided to add a few new sounds to that part of Logos. I
think the 'Three-Phase' and 'Tangents' versions emerged in
the late Eighties...Morgan as the Logos expert can probably
fill you in on this.
> Anyways, I forget: is there a version of 'Logos' on TANGENTS that
> is like the one on THREE PHASE?
They are very similar.
> I ask this because I don't seem to
> remember there being one, and since this version is *much* different
> than any other in official release, I wonder why 'Phaedra' off of THREE
> PHASE was chosen over 'Logos' on THREE PHASE for inclusion on ELECTRONIC
> ORGY.
>
> -- Steven Feldman
I suppose it might be because the Three-Phase version of
Phaedra tries to bring classic early material into a
modern, accessible form. According to what has been said
about Electronic Orgy on the list, this accessibility seems
to be one of its prime objectives. I haven't got the Orgy
yet, but if I could afford it, I'd go for it.
Dennis
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>instruments. Seiler's comments about a TV or Radio blitz is
also kind
>of backwards, because if there is swelling talent and
popularity, media
>coverage will soon follow. The best way to promote music is by
word of
>mouth... and if something is good enough, word *will* get
around.
What about electronica? It seems to be getting som hype. . .
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>Anyone have any insights on the 9:30 Club??? I checked it out
on the
>web-maps, and I'm curious as to it's proximity to a Metro
Station,
>the type of facility it is, etc. Last time I saw TD in DC, they
played
>@ the Lisner Aud @ GWU...
It's at 815 V St. NW. Here's what Fodor's says: '9:30 is a
trendy club booking an eclectic mix of local, national and international
artists, most of whom play what used to be known as 'new wave' music.
The regulars dress to be seen, but visitors won't feel out of place. Get
tickets at hte door or through Protix.'
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On page 9 of the February TOWER PULSE magagzine there is an ad for a CD
celebrating 50 years of ROSWELL (no, I'm not a UFO enthusiast)... It is
called AREA 51, and supposedly features TD among other artists... It is
on PURPLE PYRAMID (apparently a division of HYPNOTIC, the Tangerine
Ambience people)... ANybody have one, or know what's on it?
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Apparently Mark Shreeve said:
>I would say that 99% of E/M musicians who produce music in
>there bedrooms don't have a clue how to sculpt sound.
Does he include Klaus Schulze's 'Timewind' as being among the output
of that 99%, since 'Timewind' was recorded in Schulze's bedroom?
You know, I know nothing about Shreeve, but I can safely guess from this
comment
that he's a scumbag.
Jed
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At 12:55 PM 2/4/98 +0000, you wrote:
>Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
>
>> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>>
>>
>> >Really-From: feldon@p...
>> >
>> >Someone was curious why they put Phaedra (Three Phase Video) on Electronic
>> >Orgy when it already appears on Tangents.
>> >
>> >Believe it or not, they are slightly different. [. . .]
>>
>> Well, the one on THREE PHASE is 'live,' isn't it?
>
>It didn't sound very 'live' to me...they did perform it
>live during the European tour, but originally I think it
>was just a new version of the original 1982 Logos, with
>some new sounds, etc. I suppose that in 1982, when they
>were still working largely with analogue stage equipment
>that had to be programmed during the concerts, they
>couldn't have played the new version live. It probably
>emerged when they had digital technology availbale and
>decided to add a few new sounds to that part of Logos.
It was not until I heard the Logotypes fantape, followed by a 1986 tape,
and read some of the tracklists of 1988 tours, that it became clear...
Logos-Blue <-- was updated in 1987/88 and played during almost EVERY show
from 1988 to present
Stratosfear <-- some version of this was played from 1986 until its release
on CD in 1995 on Tyranny of Beauty
Tangent <-- the first 3 1/2 minute segment of this (the full version
appears on Poland 1984) was already being played live back in 1982
Rarebird <-- this segment I believe was played during 1983-1985, I'm
sketchy on this one...
Dominion <--- the last encore of the Logos shows (the first two being White
Eagle and Midnight in Tula) was played from 1982 all the way to 1986 as an
encore.
Phaedra-Blue <--- this was retooled in 1987/88 and is still being played in
TD's live concerts.
>According to what has been said
>about Electronic Orgy on the list, this accessibility seems
>to be one of its prime objectives. I haven't got the Orgy
>yet, but if I could afford it, I'd go for it.
Electronic Orgy is a MUST HAVE. I've been listening to it almost non-stop
for the past 4 days. As to whether it is accessible by design is another
question.
The biggest thing Electronic Orgy does for me, is it is the 'history' that
ties all the official releases together. If you listen to all the
soundtracks, you can hear how they evolved from White Eagle to Logos to
Hyperborea to Poland, etc. etc.
It's a very sudden change to listen to Hyperborea and Poland, but to hear
the music that they produced in between, all of a sudden it's 'Oh, I can
hear how they evolved here...'
Morgan
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In a message dated 98-02-04 00:05:24 EST, you write:
<< I'm still patiently waiting for my copy!
who'd u order from?
>np: za siodma gora - muzyka jakiej swiat nie widzi
np: Beyond the 7th Mountain? - 'Music that the World has never (can't)
see(n)',
is this what you're saying? More info please :-)
>>
cant decipher the artist's name , but u have the title right...dark ambient
from poland...apparently heavily influenced by lustmord, death cube K and the
like...difficult album...not my everyday listening...
tom w
np: cocteau twins - portland 94
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In a message dated 98-02-04 08:57:27 EST, you write:
<< What about electronica? It seems to be getting som hype. . .
>>
here today, gone tomorrow...at least insofar as the hype is concerned...
tom w
np: bel canto in grivegn 1991
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> Really-From: Jed_Levin@i...
>
> Does [Shreeve} include Klaus Schulze's 'Timewind' as being among the
output
> of that 99%, since 'Timewind' was recorded in Schulze's bedroom?
No, Jed (hi again!), 'Timewind' is definitely not one of the albums/artists
Mark's talking about. He's referring to people (a.k.a. 'indie electronic
musicians,' in my book, since I'm one of 'em) who are composing at home and
taking advantage of the lower costs of present-day recording, mastering and
(the subsequent) pressing of CDs. Apparently, he (along with Peter Seiler)
must feel that an EMusic glut will result from over-saturation. This is
unlikely, since EM fans always buy what they like (we're still buying
TDream albums, right?). In fact, Mark was once 'one of us,' recording on
his own in the late 70s/early 80s, and releasing several cassettes before
his 1981 LP, THOUGHTS OF WAR, and 1984's classic, ASSASSIN.
> You know, I know nothing about Shreeve, but I can safely guess from this
> comment that he's a scumbag.
It seems a number of us were miffed because of Mark's statement. I was
particularly surprised he said this, since I thought he had too much class.
He's also my fave EM composer. LEGION and CRASH HEAD are EM staples in my
book. COLLIDE is a great live recording of his 94 performance at EMMA.
E-Man
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Hello all, I'm new to the list.
I was frankly quite surprised to see mention of TD at the 9:30 club. That
seems to be a step down from Lisner at GWU, which was a REAL step down from
Kennedy Center in mid 80's!
I'm wondering if I'll go to the 9:30 even if it is eventually confirmed...
-SynTap
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> Quoted From: Michael Richard
>
> If you can do that, I'm sure you can help me! Can you tell me what you found
> for Ricochet and Stratosfear? I can play them, but it doesn't sound exactly
> like on the album. First of all, is it at least in Ebm?
>
Why would you want to sound exactly like them?? Personally, I prefer to
add my own little touches to the songs I learn. (or maybe it's just a
sorry excuse for not learning them properly! :-) ) I don't know about
Stratosfear, but I play the Ricochet piano part in Cm. (I can't speak for
Riley, either) Actually, it seems like a lot of TD tunes are in C.
Dave B.
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On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
>
>
> On page 9 of the February TOWER PULSE magagzine there is an ad for a CD
> celebrating 50 years of ROSWELL (no, I'm not a UFO enthusiast)... It is
> called AREA 51, and supposedly features TD among other artists... It is
> on PURPLE PYRAMID (apparently a division of HYPNOTIC, the Tangerine
> Ambience people)... ANybody have one, or know what's on it?
>
> MJ
I'd imagine 'Mojave Plan' would be a pretty strong candidate.
np: Front Line Assembly: _Flavour of the Weak_
remind me to get going on this one sometime as an example of the value of
style changes...
Gabe
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> Really-From: Dave Brewer
>
> Riley, either) Actually, it seems like a lot of TD tunes are in C.
>
> Dave B.
Why not? It then means you don't need to know in depth music theory (which I
don't)
to
play along with it!
Great!
Colin
going home to practise 'Melrose' on a flute..
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Tangerine Dream
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2 CD Set
Category Electronic
CLEOPATRA
anyone know what this is????
tom w
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Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad'
While we're on this subject, another TD clone I would recommend are
'Brainwork' . They are German. I recently bought 'Back To The Roots'
which is very good and even has one track dedicated to Chris Franke.
Anyone got any of their other releases?
Regards,
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> > Really-From: Jed_Levin@i...
> >
> > Does [Shreeve} include Klaus Schulze's 'Timewind' as being among the
> output
> > of that 99%, since 'Timewind' was recorded in Schulze's bedroom?
> > You know, I know nothing about Shreeve, but I can safely guess from this
> > comment that he's a scumbag.
Not really a scumbag...just an egomaniac. Though his music is amazing he
doesn't produce enough of it to warrant the ego he's exuding.
Regards,
Dano
np: Remo Williams OST (Safan)
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At 03:16 PM 2/3/98 EST, you wrote:
> Yeah, hopefully with a track list something like this:
>
>Set One:
> 1) A song that's never been recorded nor played live before
Ah, Steven...truely the 'Don Quixote' of the list! The ultimate 'Dreamer'!
We can only wish! Instead, they'll probably decide that an entire 'Ambient
Monkey' show is the way to go. ;-( Get those eggs ready, boys!
Mike
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At 06:13 PM 2/3/98 EST, you wrote:
> In private e-mail, it seems that a *third* long ending of THE KEEP
>has turned up.
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! IT LIVES!!!!!!!! RUN VERY FAST!!!! ;-)
Let us know, Steven.
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At 05:37 PM 2/3/98 -0400, some twit said:
There are too many CD's on the market.
Oh yeah--that's the problem! By all means, less product would solve all the
woes of the 'established' artist! There will always be major players and
minor players--it's up to them to create something unique and up to the
listeners to spread the word about that unique music.
Since the price of
>second hand recording equipment and manufacturing of the CD's has
>dropped so much, hundreds of 'Hobby-homemade-silver-cookies' literally
>grew like mushrooms on the market but the cake remained the same.
This is such a load! ALL of these guys started out small and grew--by
releasing more music--from their humble beginnings. The 'I got mine, now
don't try to share my space' philosophy is just plain arrogant.
ARRRGGHH, MATEY!
Mike (and his two cents worth who agrees with Mark's comments)
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> and of course, don't forget that there is a mix up on the tangents discs.
> one track is duplicated on 2 discs. And of course, there is the fact that
> Mojave Plan, as played during the Logos concert was quite a bit different
> from the WHite Eagle version already...
What's the track that appears twice?
I've got Tangents in front of me and can't find any duplication. There are
different sections from the same track on different disks, but I can't find
the same thing twice. Am I mad? :-)
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At 13:04 199802.04-Feb EST, tadream mailing list wrote:
>Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
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>
>Tangerine Dream
>'69-'73-Analogue Space Years
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>2 CD Set
>Category Electronic
>CLEOPATRA
>
>
>
>anyone know what this is????
Me too.
In fact I just advance ordered meself a copy from CDnow
release date is 199803.03
Pete
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'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the
road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
-- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides
on which instruments to take on the road.
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> >Tangerine Dream
> >'69-'73-Analogue Space Years
> >2 CD Set
> >anyone know what this is????
It sounds like it might just be a reissue of Castle Communications'
'Tangerine Dream - The Collection'. I somehow doubt it's anything new.
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In a message dated 98-02-04 15:36:31 EST, you write:
<< Me too.
In fact I just advance ordered meself a copy from CDnow
release date is 199803.03
>>
without even knowing whats on it? now thats hard core....
tom w
np: jah wobble - psalms
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At 07:51 PM 2/4/98 -0000, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
>> and of course, don't forget that there is a mix up on the tangents discs.
>> one track is duplicated on 2 discs. And of course, there is the fact that
>> Mojave Plan, as played during the Logos concert was quite a bit different
>> from the WHite Eagle version already...
>
>What's the track that appears twice?
>
>I've got Tangents in front of me and can't find any duplication. There are
>different sections from the same track on different disks, but I can't find
>the same thing twice. Am I mad? :-)
Yep, you're mad. Actually, this is well documented. The exact same segment
appears on disc 1 and 2 due to a goof up of some kind. According to Edgar,
'by the time we were done with all the editing, no-one wanted to sit down
and listen to the whole thing back-to-back, so yes, the same track was
duplicated on two discs.'
Morgan
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>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:37:32 -0500 you said:
>Subject: RE: 25 Albums-Worth of TD Ready to Be Published
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>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
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>[. . .] The Dead for years have been issuing live 3-CD sets called
>'Dick's Picks' which are selected by their tape archivist, Dick. They're
>issued in runs of just a few thousand, and most are sold via their
>newsletter. The Dick's Picks CD's are unremixed, and as-recorded. TD
>could easily do this with all their live stuff from the '70s.
Judging by Edgar's previous terror of letting an actual real live
performance get out to the public via official commerical release, I
wouldn't agree. For one, the Dead are known for being about as tight
as a band can possibly be re improvisational segments, whereas Edgar
has admitted that at some early-to-mid seventies shows, the band would
sometimes come to a complete halt if and when the improvisition painted
itself into a corner, so to speak. The Dead are a bad example. Their
music might be lame, but they are top-flight players. The same cannot
be said for TD: how can they be top-flight players if they don't even
play live (they mime, remember?)?
-- Steven Feldman
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>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 21:33:40 -0600 (CST) you said:
>Subject: Re: *Third* KEEP Long Ending...FALSE ALARM!!
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>Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
>
[*I*--Steven Feldman, 'Don Quixote of the list'--said:]
>> In private e-mail, it seems that a *third* long ending of THE KEEP
>>has turned up.
>> In the long version most people saw on TV, Glaeken floats down to
>>Magda Cuza in a mist, and comes back to life with a gasp.
>[...]
>> In the verion that I just heard about, Glaeken and Magda hold
>>hands and we see their reflection in the water (which means that
>>Glaeken now has a reflection and hence now human, unlike before).
>
>Steve, we talked about this last year on the phone. [. . .]
'Last year'? Sheesh. You make it sound as if it happened twelve
months ago, fer chrissakes! (He means 1997, folks; we spoke with one
another on the phone only about three months ago--and it was all about
this KEEP foolishness--and cost me $18 in long-distance bills--but it
was worth it.)
>[. . .] *BOTH* of the above scenes are FROM THE SAME LONG VERSION AS
>BROADCAST ON US TV!!!! [. . .]
Okay, okay! How should *I* know? I've never seen it. I confess
to not remembering hearing you say anything about seeing a reflection
in water--so when this person told me off-list that the scene with the
mist is not in the version he has, because his version has a reflection
in water, I assumed that he meant it had one and not the other. You've
got to admit, that *is* an awfully easy assumption to make. (And, don't
forget: saying 'FROM THE SAME LONG VERSION AS BROADCAST ON US TV' is
also misleading, since this version that purportedly has both floating
in mist and reflecting in water is *NOT* (!!!) the same long version
broadcast on US TV that *I* saw--in which Glaeken carries the dead
Molasar in his arms.)
>[. . .] In short: after the gasp comes the reflection.
You know, there're few more frustrating things for a genre movie
fan (I was even a film major, at one point; I collect Hong Kong kung fu
and fantasy films, now, instead of 'anime' [Japanese animation]) than
to be given a grossly vage description of a scene and then taken to
task for making wrong assumptions about the result of what amounts to a
misunderstanding. I admit that my telling of the version I saw is a
little vague, but that's because I haven't seen it for some five years,
now, and don't have a copy of it. This float'n'reflect version, though,
is something people on this list have right now and can take it out and
view it any old time they please.
As far as I can recall, the version most people here say they've
seen has the Cuza woman (I forget her first name in the movie version
of the story) walk down into the keep and finding Glaeken floating in
a mist. This is all fine and dandy, but if this scene takes place in
the keep, where the heck is the water? The only water mentioned in the
book was that below the moat under the bridge connecting the keep to
the village. In the book, it is in the ravine/moat that Glaeken revives
and sees his reflection in the water after having fallen about 6 stories
from a parapet of the keep right after vanquishing Rasalom/Molasar with
the talisman sword. Apparently, he even *marries* Ms. Cuza, as revealed
in the first follow-up book in the loose six-book series.
>[. . .] This scene above also contains THE *EXACT* SAME MUSIC *AND*
>SOUND EFFECTS AS ON YOUR TOURING CASSETTE!!! [. . .]
Well, at least *that's* clear, now.
>[. . .] As you will both see *and* hear when you get your copy of the
>video... ;)
It's on its way. Say, am I right in recalling that you said that
you have THE KEEP on laserdisk and that there's a running commentary on
one channel--or am I just confusing this with the THIEF laserdisk?
>I am also awaiting a copy of the *final* version of the shooting script,
>which will *finally* put this matter to rest... [. . .]
Finally, nothing. I'd love to see as many intermediate script
variants as possible to see where Mann went wrong in scripting, filming,
cutting, and re-cutting this film.
>[. . .] because according to all of my sources, only *ONE* ending was
>shot! [. . .]
That may be true, but at *least* three endings were *CUT*! I've
read statements to the effect that Mann re-cut it several times but
that each time, both he and test audiences (and therefore also the
studio!) disliked the results.
I suspect that there is a ten or fifteen minute sequence originally
shot as the ending which has subsequently been hacked up into different
versions.
>[. . .] The shorter ending is merely an edit of the longer version
>broadcast as stated above! [. . .]
You might be right: the shorter ending (the version available on
videotape and laserdisk and run on premium cable stations) could well
be merely an edit of the version that played on a UHF channel in Rhode
Island and on WPIX 11 in New York (among other places), but regardless
of this, where does the version *I* saw fit in? The part with Glaken
carrying Molasar in his arms isn't in the two versions you're talking
about . . . and you can't laugh this off saying that it's a figment of
my imagination--because the existence of both the 1984 album version
of THE KEEP and the Molasar-in-Glaeken's-arms TV version of THE KEEP
have been confirmed by people on this list other than myself.
Here is a guess as to what the original long ending was like if
indeed there was only one ending shot: Ms. Cuza walks into the keep
and sees Glaeken awaken. Glaeken finds that he is human, which means
that he and Rasalom did not cancel each other out. Human or not,
Rasalom is now dead (or is he? the original ending could have been shot
to make room for a sequel to what is, after all, but one book in a
series of six in which Glaeken and Rasalom fight each other at least
once more). If Rasalom is now human and dead, Glaeken carried him down
into the keep to bury him as a fallen comrade of sorts. If Rasalom is
not human but dead (but not dead for good, maybe), then Glaeken might
have carried him down into the keep to re-seal him there beyond the
energy pylons and once more bound by the talisman. In the version I
saw, the film ends with either Rasalom (Molasar) in Glaeken's arms or
set down on the ground by Glaeken (I forgot). Who's to say that he
was not filmed as being buried or re-sealed in the keep??? Not me!
Stop making quick'n'dirty assumptions, goozer, when the vagueness
of the facts indicate the possibility of other conclusions.
>[. . .] We'll know soon enough...
No, we won't. Final shooting script or no, nothing on paper
precludes subsequent cutting and/or re-cutting. Years ago, either
Peter or Paul Grygorcewicz told me that--between Europe and the US--
there are at least nine different versions of THE KEEP. I'm going
with the assumption that either he was/is right, or at least close.
Working within the parameters of *your* assumptions, we would be left
with only two versions--which would refute the claims that Mann re-cut
the film more than once!
-- Molasar's Hashmark Undies
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Subject: AREA 51: Something from WAVELENGTH On It?
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>Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:40:26 -0600 (CST) you said:
>Subject: Re: area 51/what's on it
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>Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
>On page 9 of the February TOWER PULSE magagzine there is an ad for a CD
>celebrating 50 years of ROSWELL (no, I'm not a UFO enthusiast)... It is
>called AREA 51, and supposedly features TD among other artists... It is
>on PURPLE PYRAMID (apparently a division of HYPNOTIC, the Tangerine
>Ambience people)... ANybody have one, or know what's on it?
The movie WAVELENGTH is about aliens escaping from a government
compound and rendezvousing with their gigantic craft in the desert,
if that helps any.
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Subject: Brainwork: a TD Clone or No?
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>Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:59:31 -0000 you said:
>Subject RE: TD Clones: Waveform, Waveshape & Wavestar
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad'
>
>While we're on this subject, another TD clone I would recommend are
>'Brainwork' . They are German. [. . .]
It is indeed good German synth, but I wouldn't call them TD clones,
or really even Berlin School synth. I have Brainwork's RHYTHM BASE and
BRAINWORK LIVE. The former is some of the best e-music I've heard in
some time (but then, I love Andy Pickford's outtakes CD, DYSTOPIA).
Ask Lars what *he* thinks. I lent RHYTHM BASE to him.
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Re: Things KEEP Getting FAQed Up with This Movie! ;)
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Really-From: 'Mark Kosten'
Is there any chance of someone contacting Michael Mann
for a definitive statement? And while they are at it, get some
comments from him about his use of music, TD and
other, that is always very interesting.
Mark Kosten
Network Manager
La Trobe University
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In a message dated 98-02-04 21:04:14 EST, you write:
<< The movie WAVELENGTH is about aliens escaping from a government
compound and rendezvousing with their gigantic craft in the desert,
if that helps any. >>
It starred Robert Carradine and some nice looking girl. The End Title music is
one of TD's best sounding tunes. Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be
wrong....David
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>
> In a message dated 98-02-04 21:04:14 EST, you write:
>
> << The movie WAVELENGTH is about aliens escaping from a government
> compound and rendezvousing with their gigantic craft in the desert,
> if that helps any. >>
>
> It starred Robert Carradine and some nice looking girl. The End Title
music is
> one of TD's best sounding tunes. Of course, that's just my opinion, I
could be
> wrong....David
Your opinions are never wrong Dave!!
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>Apparently Mark Shreeve said:
>>I would say that 99% of E/M musicians who produce music in
>>there bedrooms don't have a clue how to sculpt sound.
>Does he include Klaus Schulze's 'Timewind' as being among the output
>of that 99%, since 'Timewind' was recorded in Schulze's bedroom?
Didn't Froese record _Macula Transfer_ in an apartment?
- jimbo
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>Really-From: Colin Knowles
>Why not? It then means you don't need to know in depth music theory
>(which I don't) to play along with it!
>Great!
>going home to practise 'Melrose' on a flute..
Ever hear 'Phaedra' on a bugle?
- jim
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> In a message dated 98-02-04 15:36:31 EST, you write:
>
> << Me too.
>
> In fact I just advance ordered meself a copy from CDnow
> release date is 199803.03
> >>
>
> without even knowing whats on it? now thats hard core....
>
> tom w
>
> np: jah wobble - psalms
I agree...unless your last name is Rek hehehe, I'd wait to see what's on
it. Who knows...you may have just bought a compilation of GOblin's Club
remixes!
Dano
np: The Beastmaster/Beauty & The Beast (Holdridge)
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I just talked to my friend in Pakistan and apparently the Pakistanian
version has a triple x nude sex scene added at the end of the film which
includes Scott Glenn playing Edgar's Gibson Les Paul while fighting the
nazis. Apparently this version was stolen in the film's final stage and
thus they had to reshoot a shorter less expensive scene sans the sex.
Sometimes I wish I were Pakistanian...the things us Americans miss.
Regards,
Dano
np: The Beastmaster (yeah, Marc Singer is laughable...but the music is
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> >Apparently Mark Shreeve said:
> >>I would say that 99% of E/M musicians who produce music in
> >>there bedrooms don't have a clue how to sculpt sound.
> >Does he include Klaus Schulze's 'Timewind' as being among the output
> >of that 99%, since 'Timewind' was recorded in Schulze's bedroom?
>
> Didn't Froese record _Macula Transfer_ in an apartment?
>
> - jimbo
Actually he recorded it on a plane between flights if I'm not mistaken.
Dano
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In a message dated 98-02-05 00:31:21 EST, you write:
<< Your opinions are never wrong Dave!!
Greg H... >>
Now I feel validated. But really 'Wavelength' is one of my favorite
soundtracks.
And not a bad film either...David
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Steven replies to my following message:
> >Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:59:31 -0000 you said:
> >Subject RE: TD Clones: Waveform, Waveshape & Wavestar
> >From: tadream mailing list
> >Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad'
> >
> >While we're on this subject, another TD clone I would recommend are
> >'Brainwork' . They are German. [. . .]
>
> It is indeed good German synth, but I wouldn't call them TD
> clones,
> or really even Berlin School synth. I have Brainwork's RHYTHM BASE
> and
> BRAINWORK LIVE. The former is some of the best e-music I've heard in
> some time (but then, I love Andy Pickford's outtakes CD, DYSTOPIA).
> Ask Lars what *he* thinks. I lent RHYTHM BASE to him.
>
> -- Steven Feldman
>
>
Back To The Roots is just that - an album in the style of the Berlin
school - it has 5 tracks, 3 of which are like 10 minutes plus
sequencer-laden Tangerine Dream of old, 1 track akin to Klaus Schulze of
old (complete with excellent synth solo) and 1 track akin to something
off Chris Franke's PCH except with guitar that works. A great wee album
folks!
regards,
Conrad
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Subject: piano solos/fav. keys
I guess I can post this again, without getting in trouble, it been a year or 2.
BTW, here are some of the members fav keys (IMO, (these cant be confirmed))
edgar: e minor for sure
chris: c min. (at least with td)
paul: all over, read classically trained.
johannes: d maj, a maj, e minor (?) hes tough to 'read'
peter: unknown maybe c min.
jerome: unknown
I have another odd question for you all: If an album you don't care for too
much, had the liner notes of your fav line up, would you like it better.
for example I dont care for 'rockoon' to much, but if it said
'Franke/Froese/Schmoelling' (my fav. line up), I would probably like it
more/play it more. That may sound tacky, but its the truth. Think about it.
now to the solos...
Ricochet part 2 (piano solo by E Froese)
The entire solo is basically two triads. The first part of the solo is two c
minor triads root position. The first of the two (C minor) triads is played
one octave above middle C with the right hand. The other starts on middle C
and is played L.H. (left hand). Technically, Edgar is not playing true triads,
he's rolling a few of the triads notes. The same is true for the next part;
two G minor triads root position (move down the keyboard; not up). And thats
the raw basics to Ricochet, just improv a little and you should have it down.
Invisible Limits form 'Stratosfear' (piano solo E Froese)
The entire solo is basically four triads:
These can be played L.H. (rolling), improving with R.H. and/or triads R.H.
playing the triad root (or doubling) the root with the L.H.
1. C minor triad root position
2. A flat major triad root position
3. F major triad root position
4. G major triad root position
That should do the trick. Enjoy the sounds everyone, I sure have.
Riley R
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> I have another odd question for you all: If an album you don't care for too
> much, had the liner notes of your fav line up, would you like it better.
>
Haven't got a preferred line-up. Can't say it really bothers me who's there
andwho
isn't.
Might like a particular track more or less depending upon the order of credits.
i.e. might prefer JF/EF tracks to EF/JF tracks. Don't know if this is deliberate
or just my normal preference!
> now to the solos...
> minor triads root position. The first of the two (C minor) triads is played
What's a triad?
Colin
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Subject: RE: Top-flight Players: The Dead, Yes; TD, No
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>>newsletter. The Dick's Picks CD's are unremixed, and
as-recorded. TD
>>could easily do this with all their live stuff from the '70s.
> Judging by Edgar's previous terror of letting an actual
real live
>performance get out to the public via official commerical
release, I
>wouldn't agree. For one, the Dead are known for being about as
tight
>as a band can possibly be re improvisational segments, whereas
Edgar
Tight? The Dead?
>has admitted that at some early-to-mid seventies shows, the
band would
>sometimes come to a complete halt if and when the improvisition
painted
>itself into a corner, so to speak. The Dead are a bad example.
Their
That's what makes their live stuff so great. Even the Dead would
jam themselves into a corner every once in a while, then they'd fall
apart and go into a different song. I've never heard any TD tape where
this has happened, but Ed has said that some nights worked, some didn't.
They could just put out the nights that worked. Dick's Picks aren't
lousy performances, they're great performances, the best that the Dead
has done. They're just not cleaned up, they're as it happened. That's
what I'd like to see from TD, what they (or their archivist) thinks are
their best shows, remixed and the whole show released.
>music might be lame, but they are top-flight players. The same
cannot
Hey! >:-(
>be said for TD: how can they be top-flight players if they
don't even
>play live (they mime, remember?)?
I find that heard to believe. How could they look themselves in
the mirror every morning after doing something like that?
Scott
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> It's on its way. Say, am I right in recalling that you
said that
>you have THE KEEP on laserdisk and that there's a running
commentary on
>one channel--or am I just confusing this with the THIEF
laserdisk?
Thief's got the commentary. Dunno about the Keep. Some of the
stuff Mann says about TD on the Thief disk is hilarious, too: 'These
guys drive around in these beat-up Volkswagens that are crammed with
$50,000 worth of gear! You can tell where they spend their money.
They're so dedicated. I love these guys.' This is in my book, BTW.
Scott
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>>>I would say that 99% of E/M musicians who produce music in
>>>there bedrooms don't have a clue how to sculpt sound.
>>Does he include Klaus Schulze's 'Timewind' as being among the
output
>>of that 99%, since 'Timewind' was recorded in Schulze's
bedroom?
Actually I think he did it in his basement. :-)
Scott
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I think the error was that the same music from Rubycon was repeated...
BTW: I think WAVELENGTH was a good guess for AREA 51...
MJ
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>I think the error was that the same music from Rubycon was
repeated...
Flipping through my book (shameless plug) it says that Rubycon
excerpts on discs 2 & 3 were the same, and Ed ascribed this to 'human
error.'
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How much is this book?
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> Quoted From: Colin Knowles
>
> > now to the solos...
> > minor triads root position. The first of the two (C minor) triads is played
>
> What's a triad?
>
A triad is a collection of three notes. For example, the C minor triad is
C, Eb, G. You can play the notes one at a time in sequence (an arpeggio) or
all at the same time (a block chord). Edgar plays the Invisible Limits piano
triads both ways. (it's a little reminiscent of Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata,
no?) This concludes today's music w/ Tangerine Dream lesson. :-)
Dave B.
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Hi!
>peter: unknown maybe c min.
Same than Edgar (Ebm), at least on his Romance '76 solo album. I assume
it was the same thing with Tangerine Dream.
See ya!
:) Michael (:
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Subject: Tr: KW und so weiter
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>The real funny bit is to think that those 'words' are
copyrighted, so that no
>one may rob them of their creation
WHOOPS! You sure?
I did quote them without any (kind) permission!
You know, I am worried by this, I assure you I'm quite strict with
copyrights.
For example, <> to someone, some
royalties go to the Beatles...
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Hello!
>it's a little reminiscent of Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata,
>no?) This concludes today's music w/ Tangerine Dream lesson. :-)
About Moonlight Sonata, don't you think Invisible Limits is highly inspired by
that classic? Sometimes when I want to play one, I play the other
accidentaly...
See ya!
:) Michael (:
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>> >25 albums!! Oh what a lovely year it's going to be!
I would buy it if 80% was pre 86 material.
And not tangenized or whatever. Please Ed leave the
music (incl. faults) intact.
About baldness:
If Edgar and Jerome were bald, would they make
different music?
Would you listen different to it?
Marcel
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On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:42:06 -0500 , Scott wrote:
> A quick check of Miramar and TD's web site revealed no new
>information. It's now less than two months before the shows. It looks
>like another false alarm. I'm not getting my hopes up.
Nor am I ... but I'm curious - anyone else planning on seeing them in
SF if they DO tour?
-Steve
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Really-From: Victor Rek
> I agree...unless your last name is Rek hehehe, I'd wait to see what's on
> it. Who knows...you may have just bought a compilation of GOblin's Club
> remixes!
Hey! I caught that Dano! I have already ordered two copies just in
case the first one's defective, heheh.
Tonight I'm going to hook up with Jimbo to check out the Santa Monica
1980 show (on CD-R of course) ;-)
BTW, who was looking for The Dark Side of the Moog 6 CD?
Vic
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> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
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> About baldness:
> If Edgar and Jerome were bald, would they make
> different music?
> Would you listen different to it?
Their music would be less 'textured,' and much more minimalist, haha!
E-Man
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Apologies if this is a repeat:
The TD page now has additional info on THE KEEP, as well as two audio
samples 'THE CHALLENGERS ARRIVAL' and 'PARALLEL WORLDS'. Finally resolved
is the issue of whether there will be any difference between the special
edition and the store addition. The answer is only the cover will be
different. The tour edition is sold out by the way...
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Just listened to Turn of the Tides. God what an awful disc. Anybody wanna play
frisbee. I guess I can use it as a coaster on the coffee table.
David
n.p.220 Volt Live...whew that's better
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In a message dated 98-02-05 01:14:49 EST, you write:
<< Who knows...you may have just bought a compilation of GOblin's Club
remixes!
>>
actually, id probably at least listen to that one....
tom w
np: dead can dance in france 1986
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> Really-From: DAVENTURA@a...
>
>
> Just listened to Turn of the Tides. God what an awful disc. Anybody wanna
play
> frisbee. I guess I can use it as a coaster on the coffee table.
My sentiments, exactly. GC is just as unlistenable. I'm taking both discs
down to the target range :-)
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:30:15 -0500 you said:
>Subject: RE: Things KEEP Getting FAQed Up with This Movie! ;)
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> Thief's got the commentary. Dunno about the Keep. Some of the
>stuff Mann says about TD on the Thief disk is hilarious, too: [...]
I've asked twice, now, and will do so again: how about a
transcription? Somebody? Anybody?
There, that's three times. ;) (Transcribing just the parts that
mention TD can't take all that long.)
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
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Subject: Commercial Release of THE KEEP: Oh, My Aching Butthole
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>Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:05:13 -0600 (CST) you said:
>Subject: Re: Keep Update
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>Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
>The TD page now has additional info on THE KEEP [. . .] Finally resolved
>is the issue of whether there will be any difference between the special
>edition and the store addition. The answer is only the cover will be
>different. [. . .]
I'm going out and buy some KY jelly--right *now*! Damn. Don't it
hurt when somebody jams something up there when you're not ready? (I'm
talkin' about a rectal exam, not driving up the dirty road, wise guy!)
So much for those optimists who thought that Stingy Ed would fill
out the wide-release version of THE KEEP and thereby increase the total
running time from an hour to 73-or-so minutes. :( ;) So much for 'The
Snowman' in *any* version, or the long version of 'Moorland.' Am I
surprised? No.
HEY!!! I just realized: maybe *that's* why the squishy center post
in the limited edition version of THE KEEP is in there--so that when the
commercial version comes out, those who sprang big bucks for the limited
edition can stop their butts with the center post and obtain at least
some small feeling of relief. And might I remind you all what color the
post is?
[Dano & Elias Mode of Two Months Ago On:]
Don't it make your brown eye blue! Yee-hahahahahahaha!!!!!! ;)
[Dano & Elias Mode of Two Months Ago Off:]
Ah, the pause that refreshes.
-- Steven Feldman
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>>Apparently Mark Shreeve said:
>>>I would say that 99% of E/M musicians who produce music in
>>>there bedrooms don't have a clue how to sculpt sound.
>>Does he include Klaus Schulze's 'Timewind' as being among the output
>>of that 99%, since 'Timewind' was recorded in Schulze's bedroom?
Didn't Jarre recorded Oxygene at his home on an 8track recorder?
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On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
>
> >>Apparently Mark Shreeve said:
> >>>I would say that 99% of E/M musicians who produce music in
> >>>there bedrooms don't have a clue how to sculpt sound.
> >>Does he include Klaus Schulze's 'Timewind' as being among the output
> >>of that 99%, since 'Timewind' was recorded in Schulze's bedroom?
>
>
> Didn't Jarre recorded Oxygene at his home on an 8track recorder?
Does this mean we must add Shreeve to that class of artists that Wagner
must be placed in--those who are excellent musicians and composers, but
who also happen to be arrogant assholes?
> Marcel (home-musician and I'm proud of it :-))
Gabe (who is exempt from Shreeve's criticism because not only am I not an E/M
musician, I only play music other people write)
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In a message dated 98-02-02 23:03:01 EST, you write:
<< Anybody remember the 'infamous' Ralf Wadephul incident from the '88 tour,
possibly the last time TD played anything really live (apart from guitar
solos)?
>>
Am not familiar with this incident. Please tell! 8-) Dell
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>
> In a message dated 98-02-02 23:03:01 EST, you write:
>
> << Anybody remember the 'infamous' Ralf Wadephul incident from the '88 tour,
> possibly the last time TD played anything really live (apart from guitar
> solos)?
> >>
> Am not familiar with this incident. Please tell! 8-) Dell
I can't remember what show it was...Cleveland...?
Anyway, Ralf hit a wrong note during the performance and it was really
obvious to all involved. Right after that, Edgar reportedly shot him a look
that should have drilled holes in him. Wadephul, of course, did not last in
TD past that tour.
I meant to comment on this before, but didn't. Pertaining to Shreeve's
comments about how he himself handles the same matter (even though he
performs alone), I thought that was a mark of a very unprofessional attitude.
If you've gone over something enough times to present it on stage, you
should go there and get it right. Can you imagine any orchestral soloist
claiming, 'yeah, I bummed a few notes on the solo, but man, what a raw
performance!'
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On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:49:37 EST, you wrote:
>Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
>
>
>In a message dated 98-02-05 01:14:49 EST, you write:
>
><< Who knows...you may have just bought a compilation of GOblin's Club
> remixes!
> >>
>
>actually, id probably at least listen to that one....
>
So would I. Then I'd toss it on my pile of useless CD's!
Mike, ice fishing with flame bait! B-)
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On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:09:14 -0800, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
>
>> Really-From: DAVENTURA@a...
>>
>>
>> Just listened to Turn of the Tides. God what an awful disc. Anybody wanna
>play
>> frisbee. I guess I can use it as a coaster on the coffee table.
>
>My sentiments, exactly. GC is just as unlistenable. I'm taking both discs
>down to the target range :-)
>
Rockoon, Turn of the Tides, Tyranny of Beauty, Dream Mixes, and
Goblins Club all sit there in my pile of shame right now. 220 Volt had
its moments.
I've even ordered a few more of the new CD's in my hit and miss quest
for decent music.
Oh man, I hope this isn't going to turn into another old TD vs. new TD
discussion, since the new stuff clearly stinks!
Mike, trying out his new flame thrower.
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On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 20:46:15 EST, you wrote:
>Really-From: AOutland@a...
>
>
>In a message dated 98-02-02 23:03:01 EST, you write:
>
><< Anybody remember the 'infamous' Ralf Wadephul incident from the '88 tour,
> possibly the last time TD played anything really live (apart from guitar
> solos)?
> >>
>Am not familiar with this incident. Please tell! 8-) Dell
[From the Toronto 88 concert]
Apart from the odd guitar bit with Edgar and Paul, and the piano solos
from Paul, I don't recall much live music. I was at the infamous
Toronto concert when they blew out the power transformer for their
instruments part way through.
When they eventually returned to the stage, they slowly turned up the
volume on the gazillion sequenced tracks running before the outage.
That was when I realized how little they were actually playing live.
I know they freely admitted at the time how little they were playing
live, but it was embarrassing how exposed they were by this incident.
It would be like Jarre being caught out trying to 'play' his harp
laser or that silly semi-circle lighted keyboard without
pre-programmed midi events running in the background.
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Subject: Re: Commercial Release of THE KEEP: Oh, My Aching Butthole
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>
> [Dano & Elias Mode of Two Months Ago On:]
> Don't it make your brown eye blue! Yee-hahahahahahaha!!!!!! ;)
> [Dano & Elias Mode of Two Months Ago Off:]
>
> Ah, the pause that refreshes.
>
> -- Steven Feldman
Don't hold back man! At least you got the 'Yee' in front of the
'hahaha'. Now I know you're paying attention hehehe.
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Having missed/lost the original post, was this some 'official'
interview with Mark, or a private conversation that was posted and is
potentially being taken out of context? I've had conversations with
Mark in the past, but they're strictly e-mails passed back and forth,
not anything official.
As for his studio capabilities, 'Thoughts of War' was a starving
musician release; 'Assassin' was done on an 8-track and relatively low
budget. 'Legion' was his first release from a 'big' studio, where he
got access to a Fairlight etc... for the first time.
I can't comment about the later releases as I haven't discussed them
with him yet, but he's still in the starving musician mode as far as I
can determine, based on my discussions about Red Shift.
My read on his discussion about 'bedroom' musicians is more of an
issue about musicians being dedicated full-time to the process versus
people who have a day job. In my opinion, both are equally capable of
being successful and generating excellent music.
Based on Mark's relatively limited success, however, I sense some
frustration about not 'making it big' in the EM scene even though he's
dedicated to creating music. Andy Pickford's of the same frame of
mind, based on my last e-mail conversation with him.
Legion is Mark's pinnacle, Maelstrom is Andy's. Buy them and make them
happy. If they can keep up the same level of top notch releases (they
haven't), on a consistent, they will eventually make it into the top
tier of EM names.
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> If you've gone over something enough times to present it on stage, you
> should go there and get it right. Can you imagine any orchestral soloist
> claiming, 'yeah, I bummed a few notes on the solo, but man, what a raw
> performance!'
>
> Gabe
I disagree. There is always room for human err. I've heard Shreeve,
Tesh, TD, and just about every live artist I've seen hit bum notes. As a
musician myself I know that even when I'm multitracking or recording I
sometimes don't get it right the first couple times. Heck. I can't even
imagine the stress from being on stage in front of hundreds of
people....let alone thousands!
Dano
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Subject: Re: Nude xxx KEEP ending found in Pakistan!
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On Wed, 04 Feb 1998 23:27:44 -0800, you wrote:
>Really-From: DJS
>
>
>I just talked to my friend in Pakistan and apparently the Pakistanian
>version has a triple x nude sex scene added at the end of the film which
>includes Scott Glenn playing Edgar's Gibson Les Paul while fighting the
>nazis. Apparently this version was stolen in the film's final stage and
>thus they had to reshoot a shorter less expensive scene sans the sex.
>Sometimes I wish I were Pakistanian...the things us Americans miss.
>
>Regards,
>
>Dano
Drugs cause daim bramage, don't you know... B-) You sure your friend
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On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:56:23 -0800, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
>
>> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>>
>> About baldness:
>> If Edgar and Jerome were bald, would they make
>> different music?
>> Would you listen different to it?
>
>Their music would be less 'textured,' and much more minimalist, haha!
>
I disagree, but I think the transitions between pieces would be a lot
'smoother'. ;-)
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> ><< Anybody remember the 'infamous' Ralf Wadephul incident from the '88 tour,
> > possibly the last time TD played anything really live (apart from guitar
> > solos)?
> > >>
> >Am not familiar with this incident. Please tell! 8-) Dell
>
> [From the Toronto 88 concert]
>
> Apart from the odd guitar bit with Edgar and Paul, and the piano solos
> from Paul, I don't recall much live music. I was at the infamous
> Toronto concert when they blew out the power transformer for their
> instruments part way through.
Funny, the same thing happened at the 88 show in San Diego that Eli & I
went to. It happened during the encore of Optical Race and when the
music just stopped...Ralf kept playing his synth by accident and you
could clearly hear a very very soft lead obviously intended to be played
over all the pre-recorded stuff. Anyway, Ralf threw back his head and
laughed as he tapped his keyboard playfully (in which you could hear
light notes) and Edgar shot a look at him like Marcelis Wallis glaring
at 'Punchy'! You know, Edgar has that look of death, that look of Odin
as he watches all of the nordic gods fall during the peak of Raknarok!
Any way, that's how I remember it. The curtains closed & Edgar poked his
head out and said 'We're sorry but this sometimes happens. Thank you,
goodnight'. Yeah, I guess when you have so many computers doing your
work for you...it's bound to short a circuit somewhere. After this year,
some roadie informed us they used DAT (!$#$!) at their concert and most
of it was pre-recorded. In 1988, my view of the Tangs changed forever.
No longer were they an amazing group of synth players....they had become
a group of genius computer programmers. Now, my heroes are the
keyboardists who really know how to jam...ala Rick Wakeman, Mark
Shreeve, Claudio Simonetti, etc, etc. Give me live playing anyday over
programmed.
Dano
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>Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey)
>Having missed/lost the original post, was this some 'official'
>interview with Mark, or a private conversation that was posted and is
>potentially being taken out of context?
I forwarded the interview to you :-)
>As for his studio capabilities, 'Thoughts of War' was a starving
>musician release; 'Assassin' was done on an 8-track and relatively low
>budget. 'Legion' was his first release from a 'big' studio, where he
>got access to a Fairlight etc... for the first time.
>I can't comment about the later releases as I haven't discussed them
>with him yet, but he's still in the starving musician mode as far as I
>can determine, based on my discussions about Red Shift.
'Crash Head' was done at Battery Studios, also, I believe, and I've seldom
heard an artist record such excellent consecutive albums. 'Legion' and
'Crash Head' are essentials to any EM collection, untopped milestones.
>My read on his discussion about 'bedroom' musicians is more of an
>issue about musicians being dedicated full-time to the process versus
>people who have a day job. In my opinion, both are equally capable of
>being successful and generating excellent music.
Yep :-)
>Based on Mark's relatively limited success, however, I sense some
>frustration about not 'making it big' in the EM scene even though he's
>dedicated to creating music. Andy Pickford's of the same frame of
>mind, based on my last e-mail conversation with him.
Only the biggies----TD, Vangelis, Jean-Michel Jarre, Klaus Schulze,
etc.----who also are the forefathers of EM seem to have anymajor-label or
income-ensuring support nowadays. The fucking (pardon my transitive verb)
commmercial state of music is pathetic. At least, thanks to the internet,
many EMusicians recording great music----released independently,
usually----will be able to share their labors of love with their respective
enthusiasts.
>Legion is Mark's pinnacle, Maelstrom is Andy's. Buy them and make them
>happy. If they can keep up the same level of top notch releases (they
>haven't), on a consistent, they will eventually make it into the top
>tier of EM names.
'Crash Head' is just as good; I need them both. By the way, Mike, as you've
conversed with Andy lately, has he given you a release date for NEMESIS?
It's too bad he's being forced to make this his last true EM album, but
times are cruel to EM nowadays.
Regards,
E-Man
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> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
>
> I meant to comment on this before, but didn't. Pertaining to Shreeve's
> comments about how he himself handles the same matter (even though he
> performs alone)
Actually, Mark usually performs with his brother, Julian (UKE), and more
recently, James Goddard (EMMA, KLEMdag), completing a live *trio.* Drums
and basslines are sequenced, but these guys *are* playing, and the EMMA
video proves it.
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Maybe Edgar's key is Emin because of his guitar...
It seems like a lot of GC centres on Cmin, generally a favourite with
keyboard players. My favourite track, Rising Haul, floats into Cmaj and
even E flat minor at points, which is definitely a keyboardist's trick!
John W.
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> Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey)
>
> Oh man, I hope this isn't going to turn into another old TD vs. new TD
> discussion, since the new stuff clearly stinks!
No, I'll let you off *this* time! :-))
Everyone has their own opinion.
Just because *I* like the 90's stuff (even Turn of the Tides if you approach it
correctly!)
doesn't mean everyone else does. It would just be nice if someone agreed every
once in
a while!
Colin
p.s. sure about the Tangents thing. According to my listing its correct. Don't
like Rubycon
so wouldn't know if the tracks themselves are correct or not!
n.p. Cornology CD1--Bonzo Dog (Doo Dah) Band
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>Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
>About baldness:
>If Edgar and Jerome were bald, would they make
>different music?
>Would you listen different to it?
>
>Marcel
If Edgar and Jerome were bald, their music would be all samples of Tibetan
and Chinese monks reading Buddhist sutras and tantras. The first album would
be called 'Ambient Monky'.
Cheers
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> I've asked twice, now, and will do so again: how about a
>transcription? Somebody? Anybody?
> There, that's three times. ;) (Transcribing just the
parts that
>mention TD can't take all that long.)
Well, it's not my disc, it's my buddy's. I'll try.
Scott
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>I can't remember what show it was...Cleveland...?
>Anyway, Ralf hit a wrong note during the performance and it was
really
>obvious to all involved. Right after that, Edgar reportedly
shot him a look
>that should have drilled holes in him. Wadephul, of course,
did not last in
>TD past that tour.
I don't think it was Cleveland. I was there, plus I have the
tape, and everything sounds perfect. A little too perfect. . . This
incident proves, though, that they don't mime. Or at least they didn't
up till then. Maybe that's what made them decide to mime. Ed's reaction
also explains why their live stuff always sounds so perfect. And this
also leads me to suspect why people come and go in TD so frequently.
Scott
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>>> About baldness:
>>> If Edgar and Jerome were bald, would they make
>>> different music?
>>> Would you listen different to it?
>>
>>Their music would be less 'textured,' and much more
minimalist, haha!
>>
>I disagree, but I think the transitions between pieces would be
a lot
>'smoother'. ;-)
:-) But seriously, folks, for any artist, everything you are and
everything you've experienced influences your work, so there;s no reason
to think it _wouldn't_. Maybe Jerome needs to lose a few for his work to
really _shine_. :-)
Scott
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OK...who the Hell is Mark Shreeve and why are we all wasting our time on his
meaningless (or meaningful) opinion!!! I am tired of hearing his name...please
stop.
Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong...David
N.P. 220 Volt Live Track 2....I'm hypnotized
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On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
>
>
> If Edgar and Jerome were bald, their music would be all samples of Tibetan
> and Chinese monks reading Buddhist sutras and tantras. The first album would
> be called 'Ambient Monky'.
>
> Cheers
> Jeffrey
>
GGGGGGGGRRRRRRROOOOOOOOAAAAAANNNNNNNN
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>
> > If you've gone over something enough times to present it on stage, you
> > should go there and get it right. Can you imagine any orchestral soloist
> > claiming, 'yeah, I bummed a few notes on the solo, but man, what a raw
> > performance!'
> >
> > Gabe
>
> I disagree. There is always room for human err. I've heard Shreeve,
> Tesh, TD, and just about every live artist I've seen hit bum notes. As a
> musician myself I know that even when I'm multitracking or recording I
> sometimes don't get it right the first couple times.
But that's the advantage of studio sessions, you can always go back and
get it right. Once you're on stage, that luxury evaporates.
There are so many times I can barely stand to hear myself practice, it
sounds like such shite coming out of my horn. It can be
frustrating as hell, especially when there's a lead I have to
play. Unfortunately, that's the only way to get it right when crunch
time comes.
> Heck. I can't even
> imagine the stress from being on stage in front of hundreds of
> people....let alone thousands!
>
> Dano
Well, I guess we just come from two very different traditions then.
It's not just dealing with an audience, there's also this matter of a
director who'll chew you out in rehearsal, week in, week out, if they see
you're not up to par on it.
Is this an ideal I myself am capable of meeting? Sadly, no.
Is it something I aspire to? Damn straight.
Gabe
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>Rockoon, Turn of the Tides, Tyranny of Beauty, Dream Mixes, and
>Goblins Club all sit there in my pile of shame right now. 220
Volt had
>its moments.
Opinions aside, it's interesting to look at bands that were
'less than melodic' in their earlier years ('60s & '70s) and track how
their music has changed as time went on. TD and many of the Prog rock
bands that have survived (Floyd, Genesis (albeit barely), Jethro Tull,
King Crimson, etc.) have become far less experimental and far more
melodic (a nice way of saying 'poppy') than they used to be. Why? Before
I give another long-winded response, I'm gonna think about this one.
Scott
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Another interesting development on the TD page... The link to Voiceprint
is gone, and has been replaced by TDI Music International... Perhaps
a Good sign for pending releases.... perhaps.....
MJ
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Yeah..Floyd..long live Pink Floyd...fuck Roger Waters. David Gilmour is sooo
fat. I mean literally...he is giving Marlon Brando a run 4 his money. Of
course, that's just my drug-induced hallucination, I could be wrong...David
n.e. Tater Tots right outta the oven with Seasoned Salt
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Yeah..visited the site last night..I don't remember the Logo spinning around
last time I was there. Music Boulevard has most of TD's legitimite releases.
BTW Lars,
I need a tape of that Ventura Theater show in '92. What do I do now? Send you
three tapes?...Is there a CDR available?...david
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Do I remember correctly in reading a while back that some folks here have
received their copies of the new issue of Beyond the Horizon?? If so, why
haven't I got mine yet?? I should still be subscribed, I think. Sorry for
griping here, I just wanna know.
Dave B.
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In a message dated 98-02-06 12:05:55 EST, you write:
<< Do I remember correctly in reading a while back that some folks here have
received their copies of the new issue of Beyond the Horizon?? If so, why
haven't I got mine yet?? I should still be subscribed, I think. Sorry for
griping here, I just wanna know.
>>
u are not alone....
tom w
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On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: DAVENTURA@a...
>
>
> Yeah..visited the site last night..I don't remember the Logo spinning around
> last time I was there. Music Boulevard has most of TD's legitimite releases.
> BTW Lars,
> I need a tape of that Ventura Theater show in '92. What do I do now? Send you
> three tapes?...Is there a CDR available?...david
Ventura is on CDR already. It's a weird split on tape though, you'll
need one C100 and 1 C60 to get it all.
Interestingly, 'Purple Haze' is of decidedly inferior quality compared to
the rest of it.
Gabe
where do you think I got mine from?
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> playing+ACY-nbsp+ADs- create that make music that much more wonderful.
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Either this letter is funky as hell or I have to stop drinking so much
Coke & listening to my Buckaroo Banzai disc so damn loud.
Dano
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>
> Well, I guess we just come from two very different traditions then.
> It's not just dealing with an audience, there's also this matter of a
> director who'll chew you out in rehearsal, week in, week out, if they see
> you're not up to par on it.
>
> Is this an ideal I myself am capable of meeting? Sadly, no.
> Is it something I aspire to? Damn straight.
>
> Gabe
Well, I can understand that. It's two very different performances we're
speaking of however. You are referring to orchestral music are you not?
If you're playing for John Williams at the Hollywood Bowl & you flub a
violin sweep or a horn blow then you are considered to be the downfall
of a performance. Classical performance flubs & electronic performance
flubs, strange as it seems, would cause different reactions because,
quite simply, these are commonly different audiences. Classical
audiences are far less forgiving than e-music people. Heck, when I heard
John Tesh flub a key at the Wiltern show in 89 I couldn't care less. He
was jamming 'A Thousand Summers' so who cared. However, when I DID hear
a trumpet go sour at last year's William's Hollywood Bowl Star Wars
tribute deal...I felt embarassed for the guy. I mean, you know John
probably didn't even sign his trumpet case hehe. Well, just my
observations regarding performances I've been to anyway.
Dano
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Date: Fri Feb 6, 1998 7:03
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Subject: TD Tour
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Let's just say I don't think this 'Mirimar' connection is gonna happen. False
Alarm? I think so.
Chris
'Serenity Now!' - G.Costanza
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Subject: RE: Voiceprint link is gone
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Hi ,
You'll never believe what I got in the mail today....a mail order catalog
from Voiceprint. The cover reads - Resurgence-Music to Feed Your Mind
/Autumn/Winter Catalogue #1.In the back it says-A Voiceprint Group Of Companies
Production with the VP logo.It lists their www site address as
:http://www.rockrelics.co.uk
and an email address
as: Simon@v...
the catalog lists all the
TD albums even Tournado and Oasis , but no KEEP. I don't have time to try the
site yet but maybe VP isn't gone altogether.
Chris.
Serenity Now!
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Buckaroo Banzai? You MONKEY BOY!
Chris
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Either this letter is funky as hell or I have to stop drinking so much
Coke & listening to my Buckaroo Banzai disc so damn loud.
Dano
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In a message dated 98-02-06 14:07:13 EST, you write:
<< Let's just say I don't think this 'Mirimar' connection is gonna happen.
False Alarm? I think so. >>
nyc update: no info at irving plaza...however, the 27th is still open, though
they have shows the night b4 and the night after....
tom w
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Re the header for this post, I'm kidding. Honest. Really! ;)
Seriously, though, it occurred to me that not only is it weird that
there are folks here who actually don't like DREAM MIXES, but that there
might actually be folk who dislike DREAM MIXES *and* OASIS. Grant
Middleton aside, though, who the heck could dislike both of these? The
former encapsulates the best of their current direction, while the
latter is the best rehash of the past we're likely to get from TD this
side of 220 VOLT LIVE.
So, hands up. If there's anybody here who honestly dislikes both
DREAM MIXES *and* OASIS, please step up and give your reasons.
Seems to me, though, that disliking those two would be like
disliking RUBYCON, RICOCHET, LOGOS and POLAND all at the same time! ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: E-music Big Names Coasting, Making Small Artists Suffer
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>Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:11:27 -0800 you said:
>Subject Re: Shreeve/Pickford (off-topic, for sure)
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Elias Granillo, Jr.
>
>>Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey)
>
>>Based on Mark's relatively limited success, however, I sense some
>>frustration about not 'making it big' in the EM scene even though he's
>>dedicated to creating music. Andy Pickford's of the same frame of
>>mind, based on my last e-mail conversation with him.
>
>Only the biggies----TD, Vangelis, Jean-Michel Jarre, Klaus Schulze,
>etc.----who also are the forefathers of EM seem to have anymajor-label
>or income-ensuring support nowadays. [. . .]
Groan. That blows. Except for the soundtrack to BLADE RUNNER (one
of the most overrated movies ever; go rent GHOST IN THE SHELL and you'll
never want to watch BLADE RUNNER again), I think Vangelis is only two
steps up from Tomita. As for Jarre, if it wasnt' for OXYGENE, ZOOLOOK
and WAITING FOR COUSTEAU (the 45-minute long title track is a better
ambient recording than anything Eno has done for a decade), he wouldn't
have much to recommend him, either. (CHRONOLOGIE has two good tracks,
but OXYGENE 7-12 (or whatever the heck it's called) only has one! :(
Klaus, alas, has only five decent albums that I know of: TIMEWIND, BODY
LOVE II, TRANCEFER, TRANSFER STATION BLUE (with Mike Shrieve), and
TONWELLE (under the alias of RICHARD WAHNFRIED. As for TD, take away
THE DREAM MIXES and OASIS, and try to name a solid release from them
in the last five years.
Why the fuck doesn't RED SHIFT and Pickford's stuff sell like hell,
then? Surely, if the dross by the above-mentioned can sell, this stuff
should! It's pathetic that the biggies sell on reputation alone since
the product itself is rather shoddy.
>[. . .] By the way, Mike, as you've conversed with Andy lately, has he
>given you a release date for NEMESIS? It's too bad he's being forced
>to make this his last true EM album, but times are cruel to EM nowadays.
!?!?!?! Shit! I just got clued in to Pickford for the first time
about two months ago when I got a used copy of his outtakes CD, DYSTOPIA.
I think this is a great CD, but Lars (who I lent it to) thinks its the
worst thing he's ever heard Pickford do. But now, there won't be any
more, eh? Ratters.
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: 69-73 analoge space years - New album??
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Really-From: Alexander Bjelke
Just saw this album listed on a online cd store. It is supposed to be
realesed in march 1998. Someone knows about this??
Alexander Bjelke
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Really-From: 'Roger Smith'
It's my turn to report that for my sins the server has broken down. So
I've lost addresses and who knows what else.
Lars, Vic, RAJ from India, and others who have recently sent posts to
me, please send them again.
Sorry for this interruption.
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Subject: Re: TD Tour
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Shoudn't the 'Serenity Now' quote actually be attributed to F. Costanza.
Didn't he pick it up from his father Frank. Played so well by Ben Stiller's
real dad, Jerry.
Lloyd Braun's line was better, 'Serenity now, Insanity later'. There are more
things to life than Tangerine Dream. So, when Seinfeld ends in 8 weeks, they
better announce the US Tour. Without TD and Jerry, life is gonna be mighty
empty.
That's the news and I'm outta here...David
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Music Boulevard has it listed already. With a scheduled realease date of
3-3-98.
BTW..The All Music Guide rates Logos as 'Best of Genre'. Funny thing
though..Christoph Franke is not even listed as a player....Schmoelling
era...hmm
The Best....David
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>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> Re the header for this post, I'm kidding. Honest. Really! ;)
> Seriously, though, it occurred to me that not only is it weird that
>there are folks here who actually don't like DREAM MIXES, but that there
>might actually be folk who dislike DREAM MIXES *and* OASIS. Grant
>Middleton aside, though, who the heck could dislike both of these? The
>former encapsulates the best of their current direction, while the
>latter is the best rehash of the past we're likely to get from TD this
>side of 220 VOLT LIVE.
> So, hands up. If there's anybody here who honestly dislikes both
>DREAM MIXES *and* OASIS, please step up and give your reasons.
> Seems to me, though, that disliking those two would be like
>disliking RUBYCON, RICOCHET, LOGOS and POLAND all at the same time! ;)
I'm one of those too, Steven.
Why don't I like Dream Mixes and Oasis?
Well on Dream Mixes they 'try' to make techno but it sounds
too soft for me. Bands like FSOL, Orbital, Namlook etc. are my
favs. in these genre.
This is the same reason I don't like Jarre nowadays, he puts
too many stupid technoish drums in it. Leave it to the guys
who can do it.
On Oasis I find no 'action' or daring/strange sounds that, IMO,
makes a record a great record. 220V(especially 3Phase the
video) is my fav. CD of this time, because it, sometimes, has
that action-thing in it.
The four records you mentioned (R, R, L and P) are my all time
fav. of TD, btw.
I don't find this at all strange, Steven. R, R, L and P all got those
action (analog-sequencer stuff/mellotron/moogsolos/superb FX
shall I go on) on it which I love.
I find it strange that people who love Rubycon, Ricochet, Logos and
Poland also like Dream Mixes and Oasis, because I can see
absolutely no resemblance in it.
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> Why the fuck doesn't RED SHIFT and Pickford's stuff sell like hell,
>then? Surely, if the dross by the above-mentioned can sell, this stuff
>should! It's pathetic that the biggies sell on reputation alone since
>the product itself is rather shoddy.
I think the answer is: Time.
In the 70s it was all new stuff and the people wanted new stuff.
Nowadays it's just a different time and like you said the bigs have
build a reputation. More/better advertisment/availability perhaps?
I sure wish it was different too, Steven.
Marcel
Jarre-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels :-)
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>
> >Only the biggies----TD, Vangelis, Jean-Michel Jarre, Klaus Schulze,
> >etc.----who also are the forefathers of EM seem to have anymajor-label
> >or income-ensuring support nowadays. [. . .]
>
> Why the fuck doesn't RED SHIFT and Pickford's stuff sell like hell,
> then? Surely, if the dross by the above-mentioned can sell, this stuff
> should! It's pathetic that the biggies sell on reputation alone since
> the product itself is rather shoddy.
Particularly Shreeve's pre-RS and Andy's latest, XENOMORPH should interest
even those who've immersed themselves in music *trend-hell.* You should
check out Andy's WORKS LIVE I & II, too.
> >[. . .] By the way, Mike, as you've conversed with Andy lately, has he
> >given you a release date for NEMESIS? It's too bad he's being forced
> >to make this his last true EM album, but times are cruel to EM nowadays.
>
> !?!?!?! Shit! I just got clued in to Pickford for the first time
> about two months ago when I got a used copy of his outtakes CD, DYSTOPIA.
> I think this is a great CD, but Lars (who I lent it to) thinks its the
> worst thing he's ever heard Pickford do. But now, there won't be any
> more, eh? Ratters.
Andy has decided to go 'ambient.' Hopefully, NEMESIS will be a stunning
final chapter in the Book of Pickford (damn, that sounds cheesy)...when it
finally comes out(?).
E-Man
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> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
> > Why the fuck doesn't RED SHIFT and Pickford's stuff sell like hell,
> >then? Surely, if the dross by the above-mentioned can sell, this stuff
> >should! It's pathetic that the biggies sell on reputation alone since
> >the product itself is rather shoddy.
>
> I think the answer is: Time.
> In the 70s it was all new stuff and the people wanted new stuff.
> Nowadays it's just a different time and like you said the bigs have
> build a reputation. More/better advertisment/availability perhaps?
> I sure wish it was different too, Steven.
I agree. Music fans, as well as musicians, were much more open to
experimentation back then, hence all the EM and progressive rock
forerunners. Today, everyone wants their music overproduced and/or canned,
a la Bootie and the FellateFish, Mush, Hurl (the) Jam, Prodigeek. I do like
the Chemical Brothers' 'Electrolab,' though.
E-Man
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Subject: Hit the Shops Today: Booty
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Arrrgh, the booty be fine this day!
I got Tim Story's THE PERFECT FLAW CD for $2.99, David Bowie's LOW
CD *on gold cd* for $15.00 (YAY!), and Haslinger's WORLD WITHOUT RULES
for $1.99 . . . all in the same store! They're all used and/or promos
but hey, the Story CD (which I know nothing about) is the right price
in case it blows--and I've been looking for a used copy of the gold LOW
CD for some time, now (it costs $30.00 new if you can find one). There
is a record shop in my area called Newbury Comics that has most of the
Rykodisc Bowie catalog on sale for $7.99 a disc (including LOW), but
since LOW really is one of the best e-music records of all time
(IMHO)--despite the vocals and guitars on side one--I really wanted to
go for the gold. ;) (Damn, but I wish Ryko would collect all of the
Bowie instrumental tracks--they add up to under 72 minutes even if you
add in the live instrumental tracks from his 1978 live album STAGE--on
one CD!!! I wrote them a letter to this effect a year ago. Since
Philip Glass actually made *symphonies* out of Bowie's LOW and HEROES
albums, you'd think that the normally pretty-hip Ryko would've issued
such a CD, wouldn't you? Hmmm... maybe I should write to them again
and mention the P. Glass projects. ;)
I now have three gold CDs. The others are THE BEST OF TANGERINE
DREAM ('Dolphin Dance' on gold CD, yay!) and Jarre's OXYGENE.
I forgot which other TD is available on gold CD: is my memory
correct in listing TYGER, EXCERPTS FROM POLAND, and Froese's AQUA (in
a box set with Ashra's BLACKOUTS and Schulze's TIMEWIND, I think)--or
are there more?
-- Steven Feldman
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On Fri, 06 Feb 98 14:38:42 EST, you wrote:
> Why the fuck doesn't RED SHIFT and Pickford's stuff sell like hell,
>then? Surely, if the dross by the above-mentioned can sell, this stuff
>should! It's pathetic that the biggies sell on reputation alone since
>the product itself is rather shoddy.
>
Being bold, ALL musicians sell based on reputation. It's just a
question of market tolerance for 'dud releases' that determine how
long a band can 'string it out'. [Mike, putting on his flame proof
suit] TD's still 'just' putting out enough good music to keep people
interested.
Pickford and Shreeve originally picked Centaur (C&D Disc Services) as
their label. If you weren't buying stuff from C&D, you would never
have heard of either of these guys.
I was very surprised that Shreeve didn't make it 'big' with Legion.
Perhaps if record stores 'at the time' sorted releases by record
label, Shreeve would have done better (he would have been dumped in
with TD's Poland & Le Parc). After all, my first Shreeve purchase was
the 'Thoughts of War' record which had a post-it on it saying 'sounds
like TD!'.
Sonic Images hasn't helped him much either. Oh well, luck of the game,
I'm afraid.
>>[. . .] By the way, Mike, as you've conversed with Andy lately, has he
>>given you a release date for NEMESIS? It's too bad he's being forced
>>to make this his last true EM album, but times are cruel to EM nowadays.
>
> !?!?!?! Shit! I just got clued in to Pickford for the first time
>about two months ago when I got a used copy of his outtakes CD, DYSTOPIA.
>I think this is a great CD, but Lars (who I lent it to) thinks its the
>worst thing he's ever heard Pickford do. But now, there won't be any
>more, eh? Ratters.
Andy is silent these days. When I last heard (second hand), he was
going 'ambient' after the release of Nemesis.
A VERY SAD COMMENTARY ON THINGS, I'M AFRAID!!!
Regards.
--
Mike Livsey
mlivsey@n...
Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change,
The courage to change the things I can and
The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really
ticked me off!!!
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Really-From: mikey@n... (Mike Szymendera)
>From tadream-request@c... Tue Feb 3 23:52:19 1998
>Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
>
>
>In a message dated 98-02-03 22:24:41 EST, you write:
>
><< Anyone have any insights on the 9:30 Club??? >>
>
>its a pit...
>
>tom w
>
>
Ok... any reasons for the negative evaluation???
Of course, from the looks of it (call me a cynic), I'd be surprised as
hell if TD does tour NA this year... we've had a few letdowns in the
past few years, no ?
Are any of the other listed (4) venues 'less clubby' .. personally, I'd
prefer to see them in a concert hall setting, with no alcoholic
beverages and *NO* smoke.....
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In a message dated 98-02-03 04:32:21 EST, you write:
<< KLEMdag 1997. >>
I need to know what Klem means, thanks. Dell
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> Groan. That blows. Except for the soundtrack to BLADE RUNNER (one
> of the most overrated movies ever; go rent GHOST IN THE SHELL and you'll
> never want to watch BLADE RUNNER again), I think Vangelis is only two
> steps up from Tomita. As for Jarre, if it wasnt' for OXYGENE, ZOOLOOK
> and WAITING FOR COUSTEAU (the 45-minute long title track is a better
> ambient recording than anything Eno has done for a decade), he wouldn't
> have much to recommend him, either.
You picked two of Jarre's WORST albums (Zoolook & Waiting for sleep) for
examples. These albums represent the glut of crap that's out there today
by established artists.
(CHRONOLOGIE has two good tracks,
> but OXYGENE 7-12 (or whatever the heck it's called) only has one!
Man, I don't know what it was you were drinking or smoking when you
listened to these two brilliant albums but one things for sure...don't
save any for me. I think those two albums are his best work.
:(
> Klaus, alas, has only five decent albums that I know of: TIMEWIND, BODY
> LOVE II, TRANCEFER, TRANSFER STATION BLUE (with Mike Shrieve), and
> TONWELLE (under the alias of RICHARD WAHNFRIED. As for TD, take away
> THE DREAM MIXES and OASIS, and try to name a solid release from them
> in the last five years.
This I agree with. TD has gone the way of the turd...right down the
toilet.
> Why the fuck doesn't RED SHIFT and Pickford's stuff sell like hell,
> then?
This is easy...it's a pop culture here in the States. People listen to
pure crap...aka Gin Blossom & Chumbawumba getting a shitload of airtime
while e-music artists get ignored. Also, poor distribution doesn't help.
Though Shreeve was signed to Sonic Images for his latest, no one has
ever heard of the guy. Shreeve needs more albums distributed stateside
to make anyone even know who he is. With only one album here in the
states what do you expect? 'Who is this guy?' That's the proper response
if one sees Nocturne in the CD waterfalls at Tower Records in LA. Also,
Nocturne is NOT my idea of a good debut for the US. If I were hearing
him for the first time via Nocturne I'd say 'what is THIS over-produced
garbage'. The track titled Big Trouble with vocals is just awful (the
instrumental version kicks ass...what happened Mark!?)
Dano
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>> Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>>
>> I've got Tangents in front of me and can't find any duplication. There
are
>> different sections from the same track on different disks, but I can't
find
>> the same thing twice. Am I mad? :-)
> Yep, you're mad. Actually, this is well documented. The exact same segment
> appears on disc 1 and 2 due to a goof up of some kind. According to Edgar,
> 'by the time we were done with all the editing, no-one wanted to sit down
> and listen to the whole thing back-to-back, so yes, the same track was
> duplicated on two discs.'
> Morgan
> feldon@p...
This is starting to freak me out now. We are talking about Mojave Plan here
aren't we? I'm listening to it all now. Either I am mad, (like we both
say) or I'm being incredibly stupid and will be extremely embarressed when
you prove it! :-)
My disc 1 has a 7:42 section (desert part) which has the binkely-binky-bonk
bink-bonk :-) sequence, that appeared as the Mojave Plan midi file. My
disc 2 has a 6:00 segement (Canyon part) which has the
dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum bass line and the bah, bah,bah.... bah-bah,
bah-bah :-)) lead line. Was this rectified perhaps before being issued in
other countries?
Saying that... my CD's have the numbers....
Disc 1 Top: 7243 8 39804 2 0 (7243 8 39805 2 9) LC3098 Made in UK
Underside: 839805 2 1-1-1 EMI SWINDON
Disc 2 Top: 7243 8 39804 2 0 (7243 8 39806 2 8) LC3098 Made in UK
Underside: 839806 2 1-1-2 EMI SWINDON
Lawry.
PS- I bought it mail order from CD Universe in the US!
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Really-From: Vic Rek
>Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>On Oasis I find no 'action' or daring/strange sounds that, IMO,
>makes a record a great record. 220V(especially 3Phase the
>video) is my fav. CD of this time, because it, sometimes, has
>that action-thing in it.
I've said this when Oasis was a pre-release. This is not as great as all
seem to make it.
Am I missing something? I rated it a 1A on the Armin scale back then due to
the anticipation of the 'new' TD. I think the video is actually better.
Today I'm listening to the Ashra Private Tapes... Gooood....!
Vic
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>Really-From: AOutland@a...
>
><< KLEMdag 1997. >>
> I need to know what Klem means, thanks. Dell
'Stichting Kontakt Liefhebbers Electronische Muziek',
former 'Klub Liefhebbers Electronische Muziek',
a Dutch EM fanclub founded by members of the KS and TD fanclubs.
'Dag' is Dutch for 'day', the annual KLEMdag was known as the biggest EM
festival in Europe, it´ll be replaced 1998 by a more commercial festival,
organized by Kees Aerts and Ron Boots (of Groove Records Unlimited).
If you ever pay Europe a visit, don´t miss it. :-)
Jens
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>Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
[Doubled track on Tangents]
>This is starting to freak me out now. We are talking about Mojave Plan here
>aren't we?
Nope. A 'Rubycon' track appears twice on Tangents.
Thanks the Allmighty that 'Rubycon' is one of their worst releases. ];-)
> Was this rectified perhaps before being issued in other countries?
Nope. Your UK version is the only one - so far. ;-)
Kindly, Jens
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
At 02:03 7-02-98 -0600, you wrote:
>Really-From: DAVENTURA@a...
>
>Yeah..Floyd..long live Pink Floyd...fuck Roger Waters. David Gilmour is sooo
>fat. I mean literally...he is giving Marlon Brando a run 4 his money. Of
>course, that's just my drug-induced hallucination, I could be wrong...David
OF COURSE YOU'RE WRONG MAN.....Shame on you.....apologize me for being a
die-hard-Floyd-fan, but I can't imagine why someone says 'long live Pink
Floyd' and follows that with 'fuck Roger Waters'......Gilmour might be fat,
but he's looking better than in the late eighties (with his long
hair....get it ?).
Get off the drugs man !! (Except for the skunk of course !!)
Cheers,
Wouter
np. Pink Floyd - live Toronto 73
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Subject: Nocturne - the failure of........
In fact, Sonic Images DID plug Mark shreeves 'Nocturne' - but the problem was that shops have limited space in which to stock titles - and guess what.......the Michael Jacksons and Tina Turners....and Spice Girls (them again!!) tend to get the space while the Mark Shreeves of the world get pushed to one side......after all, its purely a commercial decision on the part of the shops - can we blame them?? New releases appear daily - all vying for that important slot in the shops - and the big names with the big bucks behind them will always get the spot - EM is still a minority interest - which explains why Sonic only managed to sell around 400 copies of Nocturne - not for the want of trying apparently.
Ash
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Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 98-02-06 22:15:19 EST, you write:
<< << Anyone have any insights on the 9:30 Club??? >>
>
>its a pit...
>
>tom w
>
>
Ok... any reasons for the negative evaluation???
Of course, from the looks of it (call me a cynic), I'd be surprised as
hell if TD does tour NA this year... we've had a few letdowns in the
past few years, no ?
Are any of the other listed (4) venues 'less clubby' .. personally, I'd
prefer to see them in a concert hall setting, with no alcoholic
beverages and *NO* smoke.....
well, u partially answered ur own question, not that i give a crap about
smoke or booze (well i do care about plastic cups of bud light at $
4.00)...but add to this, shitty acoustics, crowds, heat, sticky floors from
spilled beer, small bathrooms sometimes covered in puke, surely bouncers, a
tendency to never start on time and a shitty neighborhood, and u have the
makings of a memorable night...if it makes u feel any better, the proposed
venue in nyc aint any different...
have fun,
tom w
np: ken ishii - grip
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Subject: RE: Nocturne - the failure of........
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>In fact, Sonic Images DID plug Mark shreeves 'Nocturne' - but the
>problem was that shops have limited space in which to stock titles -
>and guess what.......the Michael Jacksons and Tina Turners....and
>Spice Girls (them again!!) tend to get the space while the Mark
>Shreeves of the world get pushed to one side......
Actually, it's the Yanni's and John Tesh's that push out the Shreeve's,
TD's, and Vangelis'. I've developed a new rule of thumb: if a music
store carries more Tesh than TD, then it's not going to have a good
selection of ANYTHING....
- jimbo
'If you could see what I've seen with your eyes...'
-- Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer) Blade Runner, 1982
-----------------------------------------------------
'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo
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Subject: Re:Mojave Plan
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Really-From: Tdune@a...
>>Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>>This is starting to freak me out now. We are talking about Mojave Plan here
>>aren't we? I'm listening to it all now. Either I am mad, (like we both
>>say) or I'm being incredibly stupid and will be extremely embarressed when
>>you prove it! :-)
No you are not mad or stupid, but some comments made here on the list misled
you, the duplicate tunes are not on discs 1 and 2 but on discs 2 and 3.
Listen to track 11 on disc 2, Rubycon (The Decision) and to track 9 on disc 3,
Rubycon (Crossing part) and you will discover that they are one and the same.
Hope this cures your madness!!
Bye Marcelo G.
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Subject: Re: Nocturne - the failure of........(off topic)
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Really-From: DJS
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> In fact, Sonic Images DID plug Mark shreeves 'Nocturne'
I disagree. I remember when I heard of the album. I had to actually
order it from Sonic Images to get it. I didn't even know it was out. To
this day I have only ever once seen his release in the aisles at ANY
music store....BUT...Franke had no problem being distributed. I saw
London Concerts, Music For Films, etc, etc in every store I went
to...AND in multiple copies. Now, I do understand how the music industry
buries artists in favor of more popular titles (I work for a soundtrack
producer) but I have seldom seen such neglect for an artist as talented
as Mark Shreeve. Getting back to his film work would also be a good
idea...since most EM artists pick up fans through film (Vangelis, T.
Dream, J. Carpenter, Franke, etc).
- but the
> problem was that shops have limited space in which to stock titles -
> and guess what.......the Michael Jacksons and Tina Turners....and
> Spice Girls (them again!!) tend to get the space while the Mark
> Shreeves of the world get pushed to one side......after all, its
> purely a commercial decision on the part of the shops - can we blame
> them??
Well, but don't forget that all artists are, at one time or another,
unheard of. Mark needs to kick some butt and release more albums. It's
like collecting comics in a way...if the comics aren't shipped on time
constantly...people lose interest and go find something else to read.
New releases appear daily - all vying for that important slot
> in the shops - and the big names with the big bucks behind them will
> always get the spot - EM is still a minority interest - which
> explains why Sonic only managed to sell around 400 copies of
> Nocturne - not for the want of trying apparently.
If E-Music is a minority interest then someone forgot to tell Franke as
his B5 CD's sell like crazy! As a result he sells more of his other
albums to B5 fans. X-Files is also E-Music. Yes, true that it has the
fanbase of the show to back it up.....the fact though remains that it IS
electronic music and not much different than his music for films or
Klemania. It's all marketing. Mark needs to get television or film
action going. If John Carpenter's simple rhythmic tunes can sell
hundreds of thousands because of his exposure in film...er...wouldn't it
be a good idea for Mark to get more active in that arena?
Regards,
Dano
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Really-From: feldon@p...
At 09:16 AM 2/7/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>>Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>>
>[Doubled track on Tangents]
>>This is starting to freak me out now. We are talking about Mojave Plan here
>>aren't we?
>
>Nope. A 'Rubycon' track appears twice on Tangents.
>Thanks the Allmighty that 'Rubycon' is one of their worst releases. ];-)
Um... the smiley on the end is confusing.
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Really-From: feldon@p...
At 12:00 PM 2/7/98 EST, you wrote:
>Really-From: Tdune@a...
>
>>>Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
>>>This is starting to freak me out now. We are talking about Mojave Plan
here
>>>aren't we? I'm listening to it all now. Either I am mad, (like we both
>>>say) or I'm being incredibly stupid and will be extremely embarressed when
>>>you prove it! :-)
>
>No you are not mad or stupid, but some comments made here on the list misled
>you, the duplicate tunes are not on discs 1 and 2 but on discs 2 and 3.
>Listen to track 11 on disc 2, Rubycon (The Decision) and to track 9 on
disc 3,
>Rubycon (Crossing part) and you will discover that they are one and the same.
>
>Hope this cures your madness!!
First I was wrong about Electronic Orgy, then about Mojave Plan on disc 1
and 2 (it's Rubycon on disc 2 and 3)... sheesh
Morgan
feldon@p...
np: Electronic Orgy disc 3
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Subject: Re: 9:30 Club in DC
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Really-From: mikey@n... (Mike Szymendera)
>From tadream-request@c... Sat Feb 7 07:47:08 1998
>
>> Ok... any reasons for the negative evaluation???
>>
>> Of course, from the looks of it (call me a cynic), I'd be surprised as
>> hell if TD does tour NA this year... we've had a few letdowns in the
>> past few years, no ?
>>
>> Are any of the other listed (4) venues 'less clubby' .. personally, I'd
>> prefer to see them in a concert hall setting, with no alcoholic
>> beverages and *NO* smoke.....
>
> well, u partially answered ur own question, not that i give a crap about
>smoke or booze (well i do care about plastic cups of bud light at $
>4.00)...but add to this, shitty acoustics, crowds, heat, sticky floors from
>spilled beer, small bathrooms sometimes covered in puke, surely bouncers, a
>tendency to never start on time and a shitty neighborhood, and u have the
>makings of a memorable night...if it makes u feel any better, the proposed
>venue in nyc aint any different...
>
>have fun,
>
>tom w
>
Thanks for the quick reply... it sounds like 'dive' (a word you used in your
original reply) is giving the place much undue credit :)
What about the other (west coast) venues??? Anyone have any comments????
Are they any better...?????
And now a more general question.... what's happened to TD..? Sure, they
don't have the draw of the 'stones' or other rock-drivel bands (ie. they
won't fill RFK stadium), but there are plenty of nice/small theater-type
settings in *every* major city (hell, we even have one in Buffalo, NY)
that could offer the type of environment and *acoustics* befitting
a band like TD... So, are the promoters all just STUPID, or is it
a question of getting the cheapest/slimiest place that you can find
to minimize your overhead costs ???? A while ago, someone posted
to this list, suggesting that NA TD fans *bring* the group in for
a concert... maybe that wasn't such a bad idea (in retrospect )...
--mike
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Subject: Re: AREA 51: Something from WAVELENGTH On It?
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Really-From: AOutland@a...
In a message dated 98-02-05 03:30:29 EST, you write:Daventura
<<
Now I feel validated. But really 'Wavelength' is one of my favorite
soundtracks.
And not a bad film either...David
>>
If you like this movie, you should see 'Starman' by John Carpenter, but not
for the music value. Much better acting by Jeff Bridges and you will see a
scene somewhat familiar out of Wavelength which was produced first. This movie
is so good I had to buy it. Should be a classic every bit as much as Crocodile
Dundee, but unfortunately is not well known. Dell
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Date: Sun Feb 8, 1998 12:24
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Subject: Re: My Opinion
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Really-From: AOutland@a...
In a message dated 98-02-05 14:23:07 EST, you write:Daventura
<< Just listened to Turn of the Tides. God what an awful disc >>
Sorry, I can't agree here. Death of a Nightingale is probably my most
favorite of all short theme TD music, or close to it (still love Dolls in the
Shadow), and the sound effects of the storm on the opener still makes me
remember the first time I heard the disc with a real live storm going on
outside that eventually blew all the electricity. Dell
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Subject: Re: Shreeve's opinion
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>> Apparently Mark Shreeve said:
>> I would say that 99% of E/M musicians who produce music in
>> there bedrooms don't have a clue how to sculpt sound.
> Didn't Jarre recorded Oxygene at his home on an 8track recorder?
Wasn't Tubular Bells done in much the same way?
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
> I meant to comment on this before, but didn't. Pertaining to Shreeve's
> comments about how he himself handles the same matter (even though he
> performs alone), I thought that was a mark of a very unprofessional
attitude.
> If you've gone over something enough times to present it on stage, you
> should go there and get it right. Can you imagine any orchestral soloist
> claiming, 'yeah, I bummed a few notes on the solo, but man, what a raw
> performance!'
> Gabe
I disagree. If I wan't it to sound perfect I just buy the studio album. I
find 'live' albums so much fresher _because_ of bum notes, improv's etc etc
Lawry
PS - By the way... when I used to gig in a band, people used to tell me that
they could always tell I hit a bum note even if they didn't actually hear
it. Apparently it was the only time I smiled! :-)
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Subject: D:Schulze
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Really-From: Vic Rek
Since it looks like the Klaus releases are overwhelming, I'll just post a
summary for your reference.
Anybody care to comment on this artist's fabulous and prolific career?
I'd like to mention that I'm listening to a CD-R of his rare release called
'Aphrica'. It has a lot of vocals and kind of reminds me of his Wahnfried
releases, but a bit more electronic and spaced out...
Also, it's interesting to point out that Klaus Schulze, Conrad Schnitzler,
and Edgar Froese were on the first TD album Electronic Meditation. And all
of these artists have provided us with an abundant and fascinating output of
electronic music!!
Quiz: Which of these 3 artists has the most official releases (CD, LP, or
cassette format)?
Anyway, Klaus Schulze is in a class by himself and is one of my top EM
artists, next to TD of course.
OK, here it is (I'll list the CDs and some LPs, along with catalog numbers
if I have them):
KLAUS SCHULZE (1969-1970):
Irrlicht - Germany Brain 833 127-2, 1972
Cyborg - France Fnac 662011, 2 CD, 7/73
Picture Music - UK Thunderbolt CDTB 098, diff. cover than LPs, 1974
Blackdance - UK Virgin CDCA 2003, 1974
Timewind - UK Virgin CDCA 2006, 1975
Moondawn - UK Thunderbolt CDTB 093, 1/76
Body Love (Strk) - Germany Brain 813 658-2, 1976
Mirage - UK Thunderbolt CDTB 033, 1/77
Body Love Vol. 2 - Germany Brain 511976-2, 1977
Moogetique (Body Love Vol. 2) - Holland Ariola 25540 XOT, LP
'X'. - Germany Brain 833 627-2, 2 CD, 1978
Dune - Germany Brain 811 842-2, 1979
Mindphaser (Comp.) - US Gramavision Inc. 18-7023-1, LP, unique cover, 1980
Dig It - Germany Brain 811 632-2, 9/80
Elektronik-Impressionen (same as Dig It) - East Germany Amiga 8 55 941,
LP, diff. cover
Rock on Brain (Comp. 1972-1976) - Germany Brain 0080.046, 2 LPs, foldout
w/album pictures, 1980
Star Action (Comp. 1977-1980) - Germany Brain 0080.087, 2 LPs, foldout, 1980
Trancefer - Germany Brain 823 605-2, 1981
Floating (Bootleg) - Germany DS002, picture disc, De Vereeniging, Nijmegen,
Netherlands, 11/21/82
Audentity - Germany Brain 817 194-2, 2 CD, 1983
United States '83 (Bootleg) - Germany Silver Rarities SIRA 32-33, 2 CD, USA 1983
Dziekuje Poland Live 83 - Germany Brain 817 620-2, 2 CD, Poland 1983, rel. 1984
Aphrica (w/Ernst Fuchs & Rainer Bloss) - Germany InTeam ID 20.001, LP, 1984
Angst (Soundtrack) - UK Thunderbolt CDTB 2.027, 1984
Inter*Face - Germany Brain 827 673-2, rec. 8/85
Macksey/Pain - Germany Brain 881 812-1, 45rpm 12 maxi single, 1985
Drive Inn (w/Rainer Bloss) - UK Thunderbolt CDTB 028, 1986, rel. 1992
Dreams - UK Thunderbolt CDTB 039, 1986
Babel (w/Andreas Grosser) - UK Venture CDVE5, 1987
En=Trance - Germany Brain 835 158-2, 1988
History - Germany Brain 835 161-2, promo only ltd. 800 copies, 1988
Mediterranean Pads - Germany Brain 841 864-2, 1990
2001 (Comp. 1972-1990) - Germany Brain 511 295-2, 1990
The Dresden Performance (Live) - UK Virgin CDVED 903 (Venture sub-label), 2
CD, 8/5/89, rel. 1990
Beyond Recall - Germany Virgin CDVE 906 (Venture sub-label), 3/91
Royal Festival Hall Volume 1 (Live) - Germany Virgin 263 236, London, 9/10/1991
Royal Festival Hall Volume 2 (Live) - Germany Virgin 263 237, CDVE917,
London, 9/10/1991
The Dome Event (Live) - Holland Virgin CDVE918, Cologne Cathedral 5/11/91 &
studio 1992, rel. 1993
Silver Edition, Germany Musique Intemporelle Special KS 1-10, 10 CD, limited
to 2000, 1993
Disc 1: Film Musik Disc 2: Narren Des Schicksals
Disc 3: Was War Vor Der Zeit (Konzerte) Disc 4: Sense of Beauty
Disc 5: Picasso Geht Spazieren Disc 6: Picasso Geht Spazieren (continued)
Disc 7: The Music Box Disc 8: Machine De Plaisir
Disc 9: Life in Ecstasy Disc 10: Mysterious Tapes (Konzert)
The Essential 72-93 (Comp.) - US Caroline CAROL 1896-2 7243 8 39300 2 9, 2
CD, 1994
Le Moulin De Daudet (Soundtrack) - France Virgin 72438 39594 2 6, 5/3/94
Goes Classic - Germany ZYX Music ZYX 20297-2, recorded 1991-1993, rel. 1994
Totentag - Germany ZYX Music ZYX 81014-2, 2 CD, opera recorded 3/92-3/93, 1994
Das Wagner Desaster - Live - Germany ZYX Music ZYX 90000-2, 2 CD, recorded
27 & 31 May 1994
Conquest of Paradise (long/short version CD single) - Germany ZYX Music ZYX
7481-8, 1994
In Blue - Germany ZYX Music ZYX 90001-2, 2 CD, 1 track w/M. Göttsching, 1995
Historic Edition, Germany Manikin Records KS 11-20, 10 CD, limited to 2000, 1995
Disc 1: Live, Leiden 81 & Brussels 77 Disc 2: Live, Brussels 77, Rouen
& Oberhausen 76
Disc 3: Live, Munich 75 Disc 4: Studio & Soundtrack, 1968-78
Disc 5: Live, Lieden 81 & Munich 75 Disc 6: Live, Rotterdam &
the Netherlands 76
Disc 7: Studio, 1970 & 82 Disc 8: Live, Oberhausen
76 & France 75
Disc 9: Soundtrack & Studio, 1976 & 85 Disc 10: Studio, 1970-75
Are You Sequenced? - Germany Anzilotti & Münzing/WEA Warner PROP237, 1 CD
promo only, no inserts, slimcase, 1996
Are You Sequenced? - Germany Anzilotti & Münzing/WEA Warner 0630 16324-2, 2
CDs, 1996
Voices in the Dark (CD maxi single) - Germany Anzilotti & Münzing/WEA 0630
16345-2, 1996
Jubilee Edition, Germany Manikin KS 21-45, 25 CD, limited to 1000, 1997
Disc 1: Tradition & Vision Disc 2: Avec Arthur
Disc 3: Budapest Disc 4: Borrowed Time
Disc 5: Opera Trance Disc 6: Real Colours
Disc 7: Cyborgs Faust Disc 8: Vie de Rêve
Disc 9: Der Welt Lauf Disc 10: Die Kunst...
Disc 11: Olé! Disc 12: Titanensee
Disc 13: Angry Moog Disc 14: Die Erde ist Rund
Disc 15: Deutsch Disc 16: Unplugged
Disc 17: Mostly Bruxelles Disc 18: À La Mode?
Disc 19: New Style Disc 20: Interessant
Disc 21: Walk the Edge Disc 22: Hochamtliche Sounds
Disc 23: Planetarium London Disc 24: Stahlsinfonie
Disc 25: Nuff Said!
Dosburg Online - 1997
KLAUS SCHULZE & PETE NAMLOOK:
The Dark Side of the Moog - Germany FAX +49-69/450464 PK 08/96, ltd. ed. of
1000, 9/93
The Dark Side of the Moog 2 - Germany FAX +49-69/450464 PK 08/99, ltd. ed.
of 1000, 11/93
The Dark Side of the Moog/From Within - Germany FAX +49-69/450464 PKPWPS 4,
12 LP sampler of DSOTM I & II, 1995
The Dark Side of the Moog III - Germany FAX +49-69/450464 PK 08/101, ltd.
ed. of 2000, 4/95
The Dark Side of the Moog III - Germany FAX +49-69/450464 PK 08/105, 12 LP,
exerpts, 4/95
The Dark Side of the Moog IV - Germany FAX +49-69/450464 PK 08/108, ltd. ed.
of 2000, 3/96
The Dark Side of the Moog IV - Germany FAX +49-69/450464 PK 08/112, 12 LP,
exerpts, 3/96
The Dark Side of the Moog V - Germany FAX +49-69/450464 PK 08/123, ltd. ed.
of 2000, 1996
The Dark Side of the Moog VI - Germany FAX +49-69/450464, ???
RICHARD WAHNFRIED (aka KLAUS SCHULZE):
Richard Wahnfried plays Megatone - Germany Thunderbolt CDTB 031, 1984
Time Actor - Germany Innovative Comm. IC 710.094, 1979, rel. 1990
Tonwelle - Germany Innovative Comm. IC 710.095, 1979/1981, rel. 1990
Miditation - Germany Innovative Comm. IC 710.096, w/Steve Jolliffe, 1986,
rel. 1990
WAHNFRIED (aka KLAUS SCHULZE):
Trancelation - Germany ZYX Music ZYX 20296-2, recorded 10/93, rel. 1994
Trance Appeal - Germany Metronome 531 683-2, 1996
Drums and Balls - 1997
KLAUS SCHULZE (Related):
Alphaville: The Breathtaking Blue - US Atlantic 7 81943-2, prod. & arranged
by K. Schulze, 1989
Ash Ra Tempel - same (w/K. Schulze) - France Spalax 14244, 3/71
Ash Ra Tempel - Join Inn (w/K. Schulze) - France Spalax 14246, 12/72, rel. 1973
Baffo Banfi: Ma, Dolce Vita - Germany Innovative Comm. IC 58 066, LP, Prod.
by KS, 1979
Rainer Bloss: Drive Inn - Vol. I - Germany Innovative Comm. IC 710.103, 1986
Rainer Bloss: Drive Inn - Vol. II - Germany Innovative Comm. IC 710.104, 1986
Code III: Planet of Man - Germany Membran/Kunstkopf-Stereophonie 25-125-1,
LP, K. Schulze drums on 1 track, 1974
Cosmic Jokers: Cosmic Jokers - France Spalax 14293, digi-pak, 1973
Cosmic Jokers: Galactic Supermarket - France Spalax 14292, digi-pak, 1974
Cosmic Jokers: Sci Fi Party - France Spalax 14884, digi-pak, 1974
Cosmic Jokers: Gilles Zeitschiff - France Spalax 14885, digi-pak, 1974
Cosmic Jokers: Planeten Sit-In - France Spalax 14904, digi-pak, 1974
Far East Family Band: The Cave Down to Earth (w/K. Schulze)- Japan Columbia
COCA-11142, Jap. spine, 1974, rel. 1993
Sergius Golowin: Lord Krishna von Goloka (w/K. Schulze) - France Spalax
14883, digipak, 1973, rel. 1996
Ideal: Ideal (prod. by K. Schulze) - Germany WEA 58716, LP, 1980
PCock: InCognito - Germany Innovative Comm. KS 80 005, 45 rpm LP, prod. by
K. Schulze, 1981
Robert Schröder: Harmonic Ascendant (w/K. Schulze) - Germany DA Music/Racket
Records CD 715020, 1979
Robert Schröder: Floating Music (w/K. Schulze) - Germany DA Music/Racket
Records CD 715021, 1980
Michael Shrieve: Transfer Station Blue (w/K. Schulze) - Germany Fortuna
17023-2, 1984
Software: Fragrance (w/K. Schulze)- Germany Innovative Comm. IC 710.092, 1990
Wallenstein: Stories, Songs & Symphonies (w/K. Schulze) - Germany ZYX CD
58014-2, 1974
Walter Wegmüller: Tarot (w/K. Quadro Schulze) - France Spalax 14900, 2 CD in
box w/tarot cards, #d 1253/3000, 1974, rel. 1994
Stomu Yamashta: Go Live From Paris (w/K. Schulze) - Germany Island 26125
XBT, 2 LPs, foldout, 6/12/76
Stomu Yamashtas GO: GO Live (bootleg w/K. Schulze) - Germany Kiss No. 12,
Europe/Paris, 1976
Stomu Yamashta: Go Too (w/K. Schulze) - US One Way OW 26785, 1977
Hope this helps and doesn't break your wallet,
Vic
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Subject: D:Solo Week 35 - Feb. 9, 1998 + Comments (last week)
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Really-From: Vic Rek
This week we would like to hear comments on:
Klaus Schulze - any releases (again)
----------------------------
Please make subject heading 'D:Schulze' when replying.
OK, since we have not heard much about Klaus, we'll give it one last week
until the 'live' guys take over. I have to say that it's been a pleasure
running this thread for the last 35 weeks. In a certain sense you get
involved in the effort and sometimes it doesn't pay off, meaning that the
response was not there at times. I did not want to contribute to each
discussion because this is a list effort, but at times I felt it was
necessary, just to get the information to the readers.
I think this is a great list and I hope all of us make it a worthwhile
effort. This list has been around quite sometime and let's keep it going. I
have met many friends from this list, and that value is unmeasureable...
I welcome Lawry as the next 'D:Jay' and Lars as the 'Source' (so let's wish
them luck - I mean support them)! So let's move on and have a great time
enjoying TD. But don't forget, Klaus Schulze one more week. Say something
about this man, he deserves it!
Vic
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Subject: TD Tour tickets?
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Does anyone know when TD tickets go on sale? Are they available yet for
any venues?
Regards,
Dano
np: Day Of The Dead! Thanks Chris!!!
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Subject: D: Schulze
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Really-From: 'willfred'
well........................
I guess my fave KS releases are as follows
+ADw-1+AD4- X
+ADw-2+AD4- Moondawn
+ADw-3+AD4- Dune
+ADw-4+AD4- Trancefer
+ADw-5+AD4- Timewind
+ADw-6+AD4- Mirage
+ADw-7+AD4- The Dome Event
+ADw-8+AD4- Body Love vol.1
+ADw-9+AD4- Royal Festival Hall vol.1
+ADw-10+AD4- Dig It
Personally, I have found over time that I usually prefer KS to TD, or at
least I listen to Klaus more often. On the other hand, it was TD that lead
me to KS. Go figure.
bill2
n.p.....DJ Spooky - Songs of a Dead Dreamer
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
It is TD that led me to Schulze. I had never heard from
him before. But I'm glad I did, because I like his music
very very much.
His music is more relaxing then TD's.
When I want to sit comfortably(?) and relaxed on the
cough, it's great to put on KS music.
Here are my fav. releases. (in no particular order):
Moondawn
Timewind
Live (you forgot to mention this, Vic) Superb live-abum!!!
Mirage (what can I say, Crystal Lake)
The Dome Event (special for me, because over here it was live on the radio)
Body Love vol.1 (or 2 can't remember, P:T:O fav)
X
I also like all of the Dark side of the Moog series except 4.
I'm glad to see he's using both his analog and digital gear nowadays,
which, IMO, gives the most interesting results.
(now if TD would also do that and stop using those silly drums, I would
buy their records again).
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
Email :fsp@w...
(Vic, before I forget, thanks for package! and the photos. now I want to
back
to that little restaurant :-))
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Date: Sun Feb 8, 1998 10:46
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Subject:
I've made a grave error in switching from Eudora toMicrosofts Outlook Express.......and I'm getting all sorts of garbage at the end of the message - any techno's out there can tell me how to get rid of this stuff?? Unfortunately, I can't get Eudora to point to the internet providers new telephone number -otherwise I'd dump this rubbish software first stop!
Send off line please ...thanks!!
Ash
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Date: Sun Feb 8, 1998 12:33
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Subject: Chords n Keys
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Really-From: sypower@o...
>If you can do that, I'm sure you can help me! Can you tell me what you
found
>for Ricochet and Stratosfear? I can play them, but it doesn't sound
exactly
>like on the album. First of all, is it at least in Ebm?
For Invisible Limits piano try Cm Ab F G - a minor version of the standard
pop
music 'turnaround' (tonic-submediant-subdominant-dominant, for those who
like that
kind of terminology) progression (Blue Moon and the chorus of Cinammon Road)
Ricochet Pt II piano is just Cm Gm alternating
Some others while I'm in the mood:
Dolphin Dance - Em D Em D Em D A Am7
White Eagle - Am F G Bm
Beach Scene - A E Bm A E F sharp min E F sharp min repeats D E then back
to A E Bm etc
Song of the Whale I - Em Cmaj7 Em Cmaj7 Bm F Em D
Yellowstone Park - Am G D F G
Logos I final section - Em D C repeats Am G D with f sharp in bass Fmaj7
repeats At end
this sequence changes to Am Em F G
TD's new favourite key (from 1992) is D minor (or D natural minor/Aeolian D
if
you want to be pederastic...oops, pedantic) Touchwood , Two Bunch Palms,
Oriental
Haze, Firetongues, ad infinitum
Glynn
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Date: Sun Feb 8, 1998 2:39
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Subject: used td
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Really-From: TB220@a...
Have 1 stock of various titles which can be forwarded to all interested. I
will not sell
you damaged merchandise nor the frustrations associated with fraudulent
transactions. All information you need to know will be delivered upon
request. Follow up's can be forwarded to the following address:
Hiawatha@s...
Please give me a few days to respond.
Ro
b
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Subject: Re: Shreeve's opinion
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Really-From: David Datta
: Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
: >> Apparently Mark Shreeve said:
: >> I would say that 99% of E/M musicians who produce music in
: >> there bedrooms don't have a clue how to sculpt sound.
:
: > Didn't Jarre recorded Oxygene at his home on an 8track recorder?
:
: Wasn't Tubular Bells done in much the same way?
Tubular Bells was recorded at the Manor, this was a fully equipped
recording studio. (Aside from the fact that TB is not e-music...)
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Subject: RE:
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Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
IT also took away your return address, Ash... Try this:
Go to 'Tools', choose 'Options' and select the
'Mail format' tab. Under the 'Message Format' section,
make sure that 'plain text' is selected for the 'send in
this format' option.
(Since I'm using Outlook98, too, I actually get to see
all of your text formatting...)
- jim
'If you could see what I've seen with your eyes...'
-- Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer) Blade Runner, 1982
-----------------------------------------------------
'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo
>-----Original Message-----
>From: tadream@c... [mailto:tadream@c...]
>Sent: Sunday, February 08, 1998 5:47 AM
>To: tadream@c...
>Subject:
>
>
>I've made a grave error in switching from Eudora toMicrosofts Outlook
>Express.......and I'm getting all sorts of garbage at the end of the
>message - any techno's out there can tell me how to get rid of this
>stuff?? Unfortunately, I can't get Eudora to point to the internet
>providers new telephone number -otherwise I'd dump this rubbish
>software first stop!
>
>Send off line please ...thanks!!
>
>Ash
>
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Date: Mon Feb 9, 1998 4:56
am
Subject: Shreeve interview source
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Really-From: Tom Coppens
Hi,
someone asked where the Shreeve interview came from. Well from me, I
sent it to the Goldtri list, and is an interview which will appear in
KLEM. But since Dutch isn't everyone's language ;-) I always post my
interviews on the Net as well. You can find them at the goldtri archive
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/6639/ together with other
reviews and similar stuf. I now and then write for KLEM so...
Greetz,
Tom
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Subject: RE: Mojave Plan
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
Thanks for the clarification of my sanity! :-)
Lawry
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Date: Sun Feb 8, 1998 6:08
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Subject: TD Live
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Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@c...>
I've had the good fortune to see TD perform live 12 times. At none of the
shows that I ever attended did I have the impression that I was listening
to recorded music mimed by the performers on stage. During that time I have
noted plenty of evidence (from my point of view) that what I was watching
and listening to were live performances. For instance:
Ralf Wadeful hitting a bad note in LA at the Wiltern Theater and getting a
very angry look from Edgar.
Edgar looking distressed and upset during his guitar solo because in 1986
at the Warfield in San Francisco because some glitch was not allowing his
guitar to be heard, with roadies scrambeling at the side stage trying to
fix it.
Sitting on the upper level at the Warfield during the 1992 show and thus
being able, for the first time, to actually see Edgar's hands on the
keryboard and enjoying watching him play.
Seeing looks of consternation on Linda Spa's face during the 1996 SIR show
while playing her keyboard as she tried to hit her final notes of the tunes
at the same time as Edgar and Jerome. (You, know, that last note of the
song where the musicians wait a beat, look at eachother and hit it at the
same time. Edgar and Jerome were looking at eachother and and nodding and
hitting that note. They paid no attention as Linda who seemed quite
frustrated. Not the look of someone miming a tune.)
I saw them perform 3 times in 1988, which to my mind was the most
'programed' of their concerts. Each of those shows 'felt' different though.
Different band energy, slightly different playing. I saw them 4 times in
1992 and things were even more different each show.
Despite what others on this list say, I think TD is very much a live band.
Their live shows are excellent, and they tour more than any other E-music
band I can think of. You know, from everything I've heard, touring is a
pretty difficult experience, and when you are not one of the 'major' acts
it can be pretty costly. Very few of the bands going to the smaller venues
are doing it because they are making a lot of money doing it. They are
doing it because they like playing live, and they are doing it for the fans
of their music. I hope TD will be touring the U.S. again. You can bet I'll
be there to see them.
>>Bob<<
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Subject: Re: used td/ feb 8-98
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Was knocked off line while I was reading someone's message
then lost it (Feb. 8 - 10:30 am). Write back
rob.
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Subject: Re: Shreeve's opinion
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For the absolute fastest internet access on the planet, check out:
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>Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>>> Apparently Mark Shreeve said:
>>> I would say that 99% of E/M musicians who produce music in
>>> there bedrooms don't have a clue how to sculpt sound.
>> Didn't Jarre recorded Oxygene at his home on an 8track recorder?
>Wasn't Tubular Bells done in much the same way?
Speak for yourself on this topic please. Don't include the rest of us in
your 99% figure until you have actually listened to our music.
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Subject: Updated CD Sale List
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Really-From: Andy Garner
I have updated my CD sale list with some more additions. Prices are as
before - $12 or 8 GBP. Please e-mail me privately if interested. This is
the final time this list will be posted.
Astralasia - Pitched Up At The Edge Of Reality
Bainbridge, Harvey - Red Shift
Bleep & Booster - The World Of Bleep & Booster
Boots, Ron - Currents
Boots, Ron & Ian Boddy - Phase 3
Code - The Arechitect
Corporation - Breed
Rhythm & Irrelevance - #9 Dreams (recycle Or Die Label)
Schonning, Klaus - Lydglimt
Schonning, Klaus - Nasavu
Schonning, Klaus - Cyclus
Schonning, Klaus - Locrian Arabesque
Sedona - Natural Colours - (IC Label)
Symbian - The Skywatcher (IC Label)
Symbian - No Man's Land (IC Label)
Various Artists - Sequences 14, 15,16,17,18
Various Artists - Some Music Is Private Music (Featuring Patrick O'
Hearn, Yanni, Leo Kottke, Eddie Jobson)
Various Artists - Trance Pacific Express (Australian Trance Compilation)
(2CD)
Von Daniken - New Worlds
Whitlan, Stephan - Map Reference
Whitlan, Stephan - Inertial Moments (Ltd Numbered Edition -36 of 100
Wright, David - Live At The London Planetarium
Best Before - The End Of The World
Biosphere - Substrata
Falconer - Falconer
Franke, Chris - Babylon 5 Franke, Chris - Klemania
Franke, Chris - Pacific Coast Highway
Habes, Tom - The Other Side
Inoue, Makoto - Chronology 2
Klamt, Greg - Fluxus Quo
Quasar, Frank - Atmos
Six & More - Blue Q
Software - The Art Of Perfume
Venja - A Dash Of Soul
Vietgrove - Orbis Tertius
Williams, Bekki - Elysian Fields
Williams, Bekki - Shadow Of The Wind
Kitaro:
An Enchanted Evening
Cirque Ingenue
Daichi - From The Full Moon Story
Heaven & Earth
Ki
Kojiki
Mandala
Oasis
Peace On Earth
Silk Road Suite - Remastered Edition
Silver Cloud
Tunhuang - Remastered Edition
Live In America
The World Of Kitaro - by the London National Philharmonic Orchestra
--
Andy Garner
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Sat, 7 Feb 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>
>
> Also, it's interesting to point out that Klaus Schulze, Conrad Schnitzler,
> and Edgar Froese were on the first TD album Electronic Meditation. And all
> of these artists have provided us with an abundant and fascinating output of
> electronic music!!
>
> Quiz: Which of these 3 artists has the most official releases (CD, LP, or
> cassette format)?
Schnitzler. Anything the guy does in his studio--even fart--is committed
to recording medium of some kind. What's he up to, 90 official releases now?
Gabe
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> Really-From: DAVENTURA@a...
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>
> In a message dated 98-02-04 21:04:14 EST, you write:
>
> << The movie WAVELENGTH is about aliens escaping from a government
> compound and rendezvousing with their gigantic craft in the desert,
> if that helps any. >>
>
> It starred Robert Carradine and some nice looking girl. The End Title
music is
> one of TD's best sounding tunes. Of course, that's just my opinion, I
could be
> wrong....David
The 'nice looking girl' was Cherie Currie, ex-lead singer of The
Runaways--the band that also spawned Joan Jett and Lita Ford. Some output,
huh?
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While we're on the subject, can anybody here figure out the chord
cycle that underlies 'Mothers of Rain'?
Gabe
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Subject: D:Schulze
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
Hi tadreamers,
Well....Klaus Schulze....this very talented electronic musician made an
awful lot of records !!
Because of the fact that I think TD made (and still make) more interesting
music than Schulze, I only have had the opportunity to some of his records:
* CYBORG - man...this is boring...but some nice moog sounds !
* MOONDAWN - great record, especially 'Mindphaser'.
* LIVE - 'Sense' and 'Heart' are my faves...especially on CD....extended
versions !
* TRANCEFER - my all time favourite Schulze album. Featuring the Yamaha CS
80 and the 'one and only' GDS. 'Silent Running' was used as an encore
during the fall '81 tour with Manuel Gottsching, this is classic
material....digitally recorded....I think I'm gonna buy the CD version soon.
* TONWELLE - the second Wahnfried album. The vinyl version plays on 45 rpm !!
* TRANCELATION - IMO, the best Wahnfried album....great mix of trad.
Schulze sounds with Techno beats....electronic classic.
As far as live concerts are concerned....Nijmegen 1981 is IMO a wonderful
concert....anyone has a COMPLETE tape of that ??
Cheers,
Wouter
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On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: DJS
>
>
> >
> > Well, I guess we just come from two very different traditions then.
> > It's not just dealing with an audience, there's also this matter of a
> > director who'll chew you out in rehearsal, week in, week out, if they see
> > you're not up to par on it.
> >
> > Is this an ideal I myself am capable of meeting? Sadly, no.
> > Is it something I aspire to? Damn straight.
> >
> > Gabe
>
>
> Well, I can understand that. It's two very different performances we're
> speaking of however. You are referring to orchestral music are you not?
I think the attitude applies equally well to ANY live performed music,
whatever the genre. I also think that the 'classical' training inspires
a stronger work ethic and performance standard in its players, even if
they don't play in that genre. Sure, you can overlook a flub by Tesh,
because...well, he's Tesh ;). Would you be so willing to overlook it if
it was made by somebody as technically adept as Paul Haslinger? Would
Haslinger go into a performance with the same mindset as Tesh? I think not.
> If you're playing for John Williams at the Hollywood Bowl & you flub a
> violin sweep or a horn blow then you are considered to be the downfall
> of a performance. Classical performance flubs & electronic performance
> flubs, strange as it seems, would cause different reactions because,
> quite simply, these are commonly different audiences.
I guess that's my own bias showing through. Not only do I more commonly
associate with classically-oriented audiences (shoot me), but I am,
myself, ostensibly the product of such a philosophy.
What really bites me about this whole thing as concerns TD and canned
music is that they CAN do it, even today. I just got a tape of the '96
Shepherd's Bush show a few days ago. Edgar's piano solo that opens Act
II--based on the same chords as Ricochet pt. II--is fantastic. I mean,
shit, if he can play *THAT* live, the lead line of 'Dolphin Dance' should
give him NO trouble at all!
As to other 'live' stuff at this show, Linda's sax solos totally blew,
especially 'Melrose'--she sounded very wooden and rushed with it, and, as
a wind player, I think I am in a position to criticize here. Gradwool and
Hornby weren't much better and utterly butchered 'Firetongues'. I have
to wonder if this concert wasn't some moment of truth for those three,
and led to their subsequent 'dismissal' from TD.
> Dano
Gabe
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Subject: Re: US Tour-ra-loo-ra-loura
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In a message dated 98-01-30 02:43:24 EST, you write:
<< Subj: US Tour-ra-loo-ra-loura
Date: 98-01-30 02:43:24 EST
From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
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To: tadream@c...
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DL Time (26400 bps): < 1 minute
Is the U.S. tour still on? I haven't seen
any venues go on sale yet or even mention it...
--
Anil Prasad
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>>
I can't seem to get this to play 8-(. What do I need? Thanks, Dell
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Subject: TDREAM MIDI FILES
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I am looking for Tdream mdi files
Can anyone help me?
I have a few (e.g. Poland, 2hot.., Tangent, Dolphin Dance, etc. but only
these are the easy ones to get off the web.
Best Regards
David Haesler
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In a message dated 98-02-06 12:05:55 EST, you write:
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Do I remember correctly in reading a while back that some folks here have
received their copies of the new issue of Beyond the Horizon?? If so, why
haven't I got mine yet?? I should still be subscribed, I think. Sorry for
griping here, I just wanna know.
Dave B.
>>
Same here Dave. I'll give it another week. Dell
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Subject: Re: my turn : - ((
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In a message dated 98-02-06 16:24:56 EST, you write:
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It's my turn to report that for my sins the server has broken down. >>
LOL, since you're on hotmail, your server probably overheated. 8-) Dell
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Subject: Re: 9:30 Club in DC
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In a message dated 98-02-07 14:30:50 EST, you write:Mikey
<< And now a more general question.... what's happened to TD..? Sure, they
don't have the draw of the 'stones' or other rock-drivel bands (ie. they
won't fill RFK stadium), but there are plenty of nice/small theater-type
settings in *every* major city (hell, we even have one in Buffalo, NY)
that could offer the type of environment and *acoustics* befitting
a band like TD... >>
I believe we in the USA have been led down a primrose path by Miramar. TD
would not play in dives IMO; they don't have to. Take a look at their European
tour recently. They certainly were not put in beer halls there. All this
points to the realization to me that they are NOT coming. At least not right
now though we can still hope for the future. Perhaps this was just a way for
Miramar to see if there was enough interest in the group still to promote a
future tour. In a way, I'm a little bit relieved since I was beginning to come
face to face with the awful realization that I was not going to be able to get
to any of the proposed venues. That would have been the end of me for sure.
Now we have some time and breathing space to really let them know what we
would like: a more comprehensive tour befitting the size of our nation. Let's
include the South: Florida, Texas, Georgia. Do you think anyone in the TD
organization really does pay attention to this list? Dell
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Date: Sun Feb 8, 1998 11:37
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Subject: TD Mime = Ripoff?
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This issue of TD having to mime most (or all) of their live performances
really bugs me. If they are too afraid of making mistakes then they
shouldn't be out there in the first place. My idea of a good concert is
first, how well they can replicate their studio sound and second, how
they are able to improvise off of that and add that special 'live'
touch. To me, if they are just miming everything, I feel cheated.
If they say they are just giving the fans what they want, well if the
fans really knew that 90+% of the music is pre-recorded would they still
be excited? This reminds me of the Milli Vanilli lip-synch scandal.
Now obviously Edgar Froese is the real thing and he has had some very
talented company, but if they are just miming their keyboards now to
make it look real, what's the difference? It's getting to where TD is
just a cheap plastic imitation of the band we all used to love!!
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Date: Sun Feb 8, 1998 11:51
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Subject: Re: D:Schulze
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In a message dated 98-02-07 22:09:58 EST, you write:Vik
<< The Dome Event (Live) - Holland Virgin CDVE918, Cologne Cathedral 5/11/91 &
studio 1992, rel. 1993 >>
This is the one I have been hoping to get more information on. I have the
72-93 sampler of KS' work and find that I like pretty much like all of it
except Miditerranean Pads (btw is this a misspelling on my album? I noticed
you listed it as Mediterranean Pads, but my album uses the i). My favorite on
the album is the absolutely ecstatic Dome Event and I was just wondering if
the rest of the album is worth buying or do I already have the best part?
As for the rest my next favorite would be Death of an Analogue. Maybe
many would find this too repetitious, but that's what I seem to like about a
lot of TD music also. Quichotte II beats me to a pulp but at least I can
forget every day life for awhile.
For the most part I would say KS is less given to finding a beat and
sometimes that's good too. His style would be closer to earlier TD rather than
their later productions unless you include Ambient Monkeys which I haven't
found in our stores yet so I don't really have much to go on here except the
excerpt on the TD web page.
I would be willing to buy more KS if there were no more new TD albums
available. However, I hope that day will never come. Dell
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Subject: Re: 9:30 Club in DC
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In a message dated 98-02-08 18:28:18 EST, you write:
<< I believe we in the USA have been led down a primrose path by Miramar. TD
would not play in dives IMO; they don't have to. >>
agreed that they dont have to...but i kinda like the idea of them playing a
'club'...dive or not...its about connecting to their fans...and, when u
consider where jerome is headed, why not? i say bring em on...
tom w
np: plug it in and turn it on vol. 3
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On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
>
>
> In a message dated 98-02-08 18:28:18 EST, you write:
>
> << I believe we in the USA have been led down a primrose path by Miramar. TD
> would not play in dives IMO; they don't have to. >>
>
> agreed that they dont have to...but i kinda like the idea of them playing a
> 'club'...dive or not...its about connecting to their fans...and, when u
> consider where jerome is headed, why not? i say bring em on...
>
> tom w
This is interesting, this notion of playing clubs...
given that Jerome is taking TD's music in that direction, and I wonder if
this decision also stems from their success at smaller venues on the
recent Euro tour, like the Melkweg theatre in A'Dam.
Although if they hit Montreal this coming tour, I think the people at
Groove Society will think this is just the WEIRDEST crowd that ever
turned up at their place (all their regulars having abandoned it,
unable to cope with TD's soft-techno/multi-stylistic approach).
Seriously, though, I hope they play Place des Arts again, if they come here.
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Subject: Re: Live Bum Notes...was Re: The Shreeve Chronicles
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> a stronger work ethic and performance standard in its players, even if
> they don't play in that genre. Sure, you can overlook a flub by Tesh,
> because...well, he's Tesh ;). Would you be so willing to overlook it if
> it was made by somebody as technically adept as Paul Haslinger? Would
> Haslinger go into a performance with the same mindset as Tesh? I think not.
Err....I have to say that Tesh is a little more adept at piano than
Haslinger. Though Tesh has sunk into the 'new age glut swamp' he's a lot
tighter there days with his keys than when he first emerged in '88 on
the e-music scene. No offense to Paul but what has he done in the last
few years compared to mister entertainment tonight? At least John's
counting Ben Franklins. IMO, a few bad albums with ethnic ambience &
soforth I'd say cometh. Into the distance he travels...to join Steve
Roach on his ethnic journey. What's next? Native australian bamboo reed
noises? I think so. Heh heh.
Dano
np: Sword & The Sorcerer (Whittaker) (and don't tell me Talon doesn't
look like Errol Flynn in that movie...because he does!
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Subject: Various Neo-TD Sightings
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Folks,
This list of stuff has been accumulating for so long that I finally
am going to post what I have here regarding music by other bands that
seem to have music similar to tracks by TD.
I know many of you are already aware of the similarity of 'Twilight
Brigade' (TURN OF THE TIDES) to the Yes song, 'Shoot High, Aim Low'
(BIG GENERATOR), but how many of you are aware that there are two songs
on the 1972 Pink Floyd soundtrack, OBSCURED BY CLOUDS, that closely
resemble two TD-related tracks?
PF track 1, 'Obscured by Clouds' = 'Guido the Killer Pimp' (RISKY B OST)
PF track 3, 'Burning Bridges' = 'Metropolis' (Edgar's solo album, AGES)
On Pink Floyd's second album, 1968's A SAUCERFUL OF SECRETS, the
title track is extremely similar to parts of ALPHA CENTAURI and ATEM.
I don't have these two TD albums on CD and I was not about to rummage
for the sound quotes on cassette.
In the mid-1990's Italian horror movie, CEMETARY MAN, starring
Rupert Everett (based on an Italian comic book called DYLAN DOG), there
is a piece of music extremely evocative of 'Through Metamorphic Rocks'
(FORCE MAJEURE). It's done by someone named Manuel de Sica, and the
man has a much better grasp of electronic soundtrack music than anyone
(other than TD) this side of Maurice Jarre, Hans Zimmer, or Eric Serra.
In Peter Weir's 1977 movie, THE LAST WAVE, starring Richard
Chamberlain, the whole ending of the film sounds similar to PHAEDRA,
RUBYCON, and the Nightcrawlers. It sounds more like Tangerine Dream
than it does Red Shift.
Near the end of THE LAST WAVE (rent it, it's good), where the lawyer
(Richard Chamberlain) goes to look for his family, his defendant (an
Australian aborigine; the film takes place in Australia) shows up with
the very same Dream Stone that he (the lawyer) had seen in a dream (more
precisely, in Dreamtime) and offers to take him to an aboriginal secret
cave where everything will be explained. From here through to the end
of the film, the music is extremely Baumann-period TD-esque.
As an aside, when the lawyer and his defendant/guide go down into
the cave and up near a stonehenge-ian mololith, the scene is very
evocative of the scene in THE KEEP deep down in the keep itself where
Molasar's essence shoots through the pylons (pillars) and up into the
opening where the soldier thinks he'll find gold.
Hey, look at that! I got mention stuff about both RISKY BUSINESS
and THE KEEP in the same post! ;) :)
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> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> (BIG GENERATOR), but how many of you are aware that there are two songs
> on the 1972 Pink Floyd soundtrack, OBSCURED BY CLOUDS, that closely
> resemble two TD-related tracks?
> On Pink Floyd's second album, 1968's A SAUCERFUL OF SECRETS, the
> title track is extremely similar to parts of ALPHA CENTAURI and ATEM.
> I don't have these two TD albums on CD and I was not about to rummage
> for the sound quotes on cassette.
Since SAUCERFUL predates ATEM and ALPHA, shouldn't the latter two 'sound'
like Floyd, not vice versa? When PHAEDRA hit the charts, much comparison
was drawn between that, TUBULAR BELLS and DARK SIDE OF THE MOON as well.
> In the mid-1990's Italian horror movie, CEMETARY MAN, starring
> Rupert Everett (based on an Italian comic book called DYLAN DOG), there
> is a piece of music extremely evocative of 'Through Metamorphic Rocks'
> (FORCE MAJEURE). It's done by someone named Manuel de Sica, and the
> man has a much better grasp of electronic soundtrack music than anyone
> (other than TD) this side of Maurice Jarre, Hans Zimmer, or Eric Serra.
The director of 'Cemetary Man' was, in fact, unable to procure TD to score
the film, so he enlisted de Sica to produce a score faithful to TD's sound.
You can get the CD score. Email Ken Golden/The Laser's Edge at
lasercd@a...
E-Man
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[Mike, donning his asbestos underwear, flak jacket, helmet, hearing
protection, face guard, and goggles <KLAUS SCHULZE (1969-1970):
Ash Ra Temple and TD stuff goes here...
>Irrlicht - Germany Brain 833 127-2, 1972
Here's the origin of 'space music' (plus the Ash Ra Temple stuff).
Klaus and his Teisco organ trying to get you stoned. Not very musical,
just spacey. Never listen to this release sober or pumped up!
>Cyborg - France Fnac 662011, 2 CD, 7/73
Klaus hires the an orchestra to accompany him with more spacey stuff.
I got the original LP back in high school when 2 beers was a lot.
Playing Cyborg was like chugging a 12 pack!
>Picture Music - UK Thunderbolt CDTB 098, diff. cover than LPs, 1974
I think he found a sequencer of some kind here... Still simple and
formative in nature. TD was way ahead of him at this point...
>Blackdance - UK Virgin CDCA 2003, 1974
Oh no, the first introduction of silly vocals...he was foretelling his
future here... Still fairly basic organ/synthesizer music with some
basic rhythm track. The 'sounds' being used were neat, however. I like
'Voices of Syn' for its weird sequenced track.
>Timewind - UK Virgin CDCA 2006, 1975
Here was KS's first great release. A well polished piece of EM/space
music. TD was still kicking his ass in the entertainment factor,
however.
>Moondawn - UK Thunderbolt CDTB 093, 1/76
Another great piece of 70's EM. KS tries out a mellotron, and has
Harold Grosskopf play drums. A classic space music pair. Oh yeah, TD's
still kicking his ass big time at this point.
>Body Love (Strk) - Germany Brain 813 658-2, 1976
KS continues to perfect his 70's style.
>Mirage - UK Thunderbolt CDTB 033, 1/77
Here's the next pinnacle after Moondawn. The first piece is spacey
with voice mumblings. The second side is a great set of sequencing
with KS playing moogs and mellotrons etc...
>Body Love Vol. 2 - Germany Brain 511976-2, 1977
>Moogetique (Body Love Vol. 2) - Holland Ariola 25540 XOT, LP
More great pure synth stuff.
>'X'. - Germany Brain 833 627-2, 2 CD, 1978
Another pure synth (plus orchestra on Ludwig II) release. The
highlight for me on this album was Ludwig II. A great combination of
synthesizer and orchestra.
>Dune - Germany Brain 811 842-2, 1979
The first track is like Mirage's first piece; spacey mumblings. The
second piece has Arthur Brown singing some annoying piece to a great
background synth track. Wolfgang Tiepold play cello to add a classic
sound.
>Mindphaser (Comp.) - US Gramavision Inc. 18-7023-1, LP, unique cover, 1980
Don't recall; a best of?
[where's Live...]
Live's the end of KS's analog synth days. This was his first and last
live recording.....at the time. A gazillion live releases followed.
>Dig It - Germany Brain 811 632-2, 9/80
>Elektronik-Impressionen (same as Dig It) - East Germany Amiga 8 55 941,
>LP, diff. cover
Klaus goes digital for the first time. Hauls out the vocoder, plays a
GDS computer (like a Fairlight???). A completely different direction
from the past.
>Rock on Brain (Comp. 1972-1976) - Germany Brain 0080.046, 2 LPs, foldout
>w/album pictures, 1980
>Star Action (Comp. 1977-1980) - Germany Brain 0080.087, 2 LPs, foldout, 1980
No idea what these are; I assume compilation of some form.
>Trancefer - Germany Brain 823 605-2, 1981
Evil, pure evil. Stick the volume at 10 before starting this CD! Mike
Shrieve plays drums/rhythym and starts getting KS into pieces with a
constant beat. Wolfgang Tiepold play cello again. Much more
entertaining IMHO. My only comment about this release is that it's way
to short!
>Floating (Bootleg) - Germany DS002, picture disc, De Vereeniging, Nijmegen,
>Netherlands, 11/21/82
KDM's later 'edition' releases pretty well killed any potential b**t
market. I applaud them for their approach (i.e., go ahead and create a
boot, but the 'edition' releases have a gazillion more live releases,
and they're professionally mastered).
>Audentity - Germany Brain 817 194-2, 2 CD, 1983
This was KS's pinnacle of the 'digital' type music. Rainer Bloss joins
Mike Shrieve and Wolfgang Tiepold to create an interesting combination
of digital synth (Fairlight, GDS...), piano, classic strings, and
rhythm. It's one of those 'theme' albums trying to tell a story. The
last piece, Sebastien Im Traum, is definitely an EM story, as it's not
very musical. I'm sure a lot of people hate this release with a
passion; it's one of my all-time favourites.
>United States '83 (Bootleg) - Germany Silver Rarities SIRA 32-33, 2 CD, USA
1983
I heard this was a b**t of the 90's Royal Festival Hall stuff, and not
from '83. Can't comment.
>Dziekuje Poland Live 83 - Germany Brain 817 620-2, 2 CD, Poland 1983, rel.
1984
This is a live concert based on the stuff Schulze and Bloss were doing
ala Audentity. the sound quality is kind of bootleg quality, but lots
of raw wailing by Schulze on his Minimoog. Unlike TD, KS, plays a lot
of live leads, often screwing up, but so what. He's really into the
performance thing. This was his second and last live release....
>Aphrica (w/Ernst Fuchs & Rainer Bloss) - Germany InTeam ID 20.001, LP, 1984
Time to put the barf bag on (yes Vik; we'll discuss the CD-R offline).
The first piece if Ok if you ignore Ernst Fuchs pointless babbling.
The second piece can be used as a 'natural' alternative to an enema. I
swear that they're tanked/stoned for the third piece with their stupid
mumbling. It's one of those albums that you play when you're silly and
want to play something that is simply awful. Funny enough, it never
made it to CD.
>Angst (Soundtrack) - UK Thunderbolt CDTB 2.027, 1984
This is a fairly basic soundtrack, with some allusions to Audentity
pieces. Not all that special.
>Inter*Face - Germany Brain 827 673-2, rec. 8/85
I never really got into this release as the leads weren't very
interesting. It's not bad, just nothing caught my attention. Hmmmmm...
reminds me of 90's TD!
[Mike changing his armour after a volley of arrows, bullets, hand
grenades, and the odd rotted fish]
>Macksey/Pain - Germany Brain 881 812-1, 45rpm 12 maxi single, 1985
This is an Angst-like single; it's reproduced on the Jubilee edition.
>Drive Inn (w/Rainer Bloss) - UK Thunderbolt CDTB 028, 1986, rel. 1992
Another Schulze/Bloss collaboration. It's more Bloss than Schulze; you
can tell if you grab something like bloss's Ampsy. The party's over
after this one it seems.
>Dreams - UK Thunderbolt CDTB 039, 1986
Klaus seems to start getting back on track with this one. Nothing
spectacular on side A; the B side track is a bit more entertaining,
with acoustic guitar, a powerful percussion beat, and some vocals.
Kind of like a Wahnfried release (see below).
>Babel (w/Andreas Grosser) - UK Venture CDVE5, 1987
This is Klaus's first voyage into the 'single piece on one CD' style
(it's got a dozen or so tracks, but they're seemlessly transitioned).
A slow build piece with piano and synth lead at the start, percussion,
and then it drifts off into space land for a half hour or so.
>En=Trance - Germany Brain 835 158-2, 1988
Four relatively short pieces (15 minutes or so). I think that this was
another pinnacle release from KS. plus synth lead, rhythm, and drum
track type music, if that means anything.
>History - Germany Brain 835 161-2, promo only ltd. 800 copies, 1988
No idea what was on this.
>Mediterranean Pads - Germany Brain 841 864-2, 1990
A follow on to En=Trance, it's another favourite of mine (i.e., most
people will hate it). The last piece hast a great rhythm track and
some good leads, but Klaus kind of couldn't figure out how to finish
the piece.
>2001 (Comp. 1972-1990) - Germany Brain 511 295-2, 1990
It's a best of Brain release.
>The Dresden Performance (Live) - UK Virgin CDVED 903 (Venture sub-label), 2
>CD, 8/5/89, rel. 1990
Klaus originally intended this to be a completely live release (after
saying twice before that he'd never release them again) of an East
Germany performance, but the show was cut back. So, the last three
pieces are studio tracks. The live stuff is in line with Miditerranean
Pads.
>Beyond Recall - Germany Virgin CDVE 906 (Venture sub-label), 3/91
Oh no! Here's where the vocal samples start! The first piece has a
great start, but doesn't seems to go anywhere after that. The other
pieces weren't too memorable.
>Royal Festival Hall Volume 1 (Live) - Germany Virgin 263 236, London, 9/10/1991
>Royal Festival Hall Volume 2 (Live) - Germany Virgin 263 237, CDVE917,
>London, 9/10/1991
>The Dome Event (Live) - Holland Virgin CDVE918, Cologne Cathedral 5/11/91 &
>studio 1992, rel. 1993
Three live concert releases taking on the same format of the Dresdon
Performance (i.e., live material plus studio releases). Lots of vocal
samples mixed with interesting mellow synth tracks. I prefer the Dome
Event the most as it doesn't have too much spam, uh vocals (Monty
Python: well, spam, spam egg and spam doesn't have much spam). Volume
2 has a good raw minimoog lead, plus lots of spam, uh vocals. Volume 1
has spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam...
>Silver Edition, Germany Musique Intemporelle Special KS 1-10, 10 CD, limited
>to 2000, 1993
> Disc 1: Film Musik Disc 2: Narren Des Schicksals
> Disc 3: Was War Vor Der Zeit (Konzerte) Disc 4: Sense of Beauty
> Disc 5: Picasso Geht Spazieren Disc 6: Picasso Geht Spazieren (continued)
> Disc 7: The Music Box Disc 8: Machine De Plaisir
> Disc 9: Life in Ecstasy Disc 10: Mysterious Tapes (Konzert)
This is a mix of 90's music ala the RFH type stuff, plus old 70's live
concerts ala Moondawn, and the odd really old studio release. The
highlight was Picasso Geht Spazieren which spanned two CD's. Whew! The
Music Box was another great piece that really went nowhere but was
entertaining all the way. KDM highlights that the fact that the last
CD contained a previously unreleased pre-Irrlicht piece called 'Land'.
Silly fella', it was released as 'Island', on the Ohr label
compilation album: Kosmiche Musik! Overall, a very entertaining set,
but a bit boring if you try to listen to the entire thin back to back
due to the minimal differences among the various 90's pieces.
>The Essential 72-93 (Comp.) - US Caroline CAROL 1896-2 7243 8 39300 2 9, 2
>CD, 1994
Another compilation I don't have. Is this a good starting point?
>Le Moulin De Daudet (Soundtrack) - France Virgin 72438 39594 2 6, 5/3/94
21 itty bitty tracks ala the previously described 90's stuff...
>Goes Classic - Germany ZYX Music ZYX 20297-2, recorded 1991-1993, rel. 1994
Klaus records a bunch of classical pieces to perfection, plus one of
his own. Excellent quality classic recordings on a synth/sampler. The
point of this???
>Totentag - Germany ZYX Music ZYX 81014-2, 2 CD, opera recorded 3/92-3/93, 1994
His dream comes true. Finally an opera ala KS. Kill yourself now!
>Das Wagner Desaster - Live - Germany ZYX Music ZYX 90000-2, 2 CD, recorded
>27 & 31 May 1994
This was his last (the crowd cheers!) live performance with silly
vocal samples. Disc 1 and 2 are actually the same set mixed
differently. I never noticed the difference, I'm afraid; maybe I've
got two copies of disc 1!
>Conquest of Paradise (long/short version CD single) - Germany ZYX Music ZYX
>7481-8, 1994
A really short/pointless release of Vangelis's Conquest of Paradise.
I'm surprised he didn't try to cram it onto 'Goes Classic'.
>In Blue - Germany ZYX Music ZYX 90001-2, 2 CD, 1 track w/M. Göttsching, 1995
Here's his first official studio release since Beyond Recall. The
first piece is a very slow burn, taking almost 20 minutes to get
started. The second side has a great start with Schulze' old pal
Manual Gottsching (Ashra) playing guitar. It fades off into another
slow ending. Very good, but a bit long.
>Historic Edition, Germany Manikin Records KS 11-20, 10 CD, limited to 2000,
1995
> Disc 1: Live, Leiden 81 & Brussels 77 Disc 2: Live, Brussels 77, Rouen
>& Oberhausen 76
> Disc 3: Live, Munich 75 Disc 4: Studio & Soundtrack, 1968-78
> Disc 5: Live, Lieden 81 & Munich 75 Disc 6: Live, Rotterdam &
>the Netherlands 76
> Disc 7: Studio, 1970 & 82 Disc 8: Live, Oberhausen
>76 & France 75
> Disc 9: Soundtrack & Studio, 1976 & 85 Disc 10: Studio, 1970-75
KDM see money to be made and digs back into his vault. Unlike the
Silver Edition, which featured studio pieces that weren't considered
to be appropriate for 'mass' release (I agree), this set concentrated
on Klaus's live performances from the 70's. Some soundtrack and really
old studio stuff appears as well. This set is THE definition of 70's
space music, IMHO.
>Are You Sequenced? - Germany Anzilotti & Münzing/WEA Warner PROP237, 1 CD
>promo only, no inserts, slimcase, 1996
>Are You Sequenced? - Germany Anzilotti & Münzing/WEA Warner 0630 16324-2, 2
>CDs, 1996
>Voices in the Dark (CD maxi single) - Germany Anzilotti & Münzing/WEA 0630
>16345-2, 1996
Another studio release. It's a lot more lively and intense when
compared to In Blue. I really enjoyed the first CD. The second CD
contains pieces played by Klaus, but mixed/edited by his pals. That
takes a lot of balls for someone who seems to like to control the
entire music making process.
>Jubilee Edition, Germany Manikin KS 21-45, 25 CD, limited to 1000, 1997
> Disc 1: Tradition & Vision Disc 2: Avec Arthur
> Disc 3: Budapest Disc 4: Borrowed Time
> Disc 5: Opera Trance Disc 6: Real Colours
> Disc 7: Cyborgs Faust Disc 8: Vie de Rêve
> Disc 9: Der Welt Lauf Disc 10: Die Kunst...
> Disc 11: Olé! Disc 12: Titanensee
> Disc 13: Angry Moog Disc 14: Die Erde ist Rund
> Disc 15: Deutsch Disc 16: Unplugged
> Disc 17: Mostly Bruxelles Disc 18: À La Mode?
> Disc 19: New Style Disc 20: Interessant
> Disc 21: Walk the Edge Disc 22: Hochamtliche Sounds
> Disc 23: Planetarium London Disc 24: Stahlsinfonie
> Disc 25: Nuff Said!
KDM searches every box hiding in his house to create this one. In my
opinion, there's a lot of stuff that amounts to out-takes, which the
previous 'editions' didn't have. The first and last CD are entirely
new material, and the first CD, Tradition and Vision, makes the entire
set worthwhile. If you didn't have everything KS has done, you'd
probably appreciate it a bit more. But if you do, there's a lost of
similar material to past releases.
>Dosburg Online - 1997
Haven't picked this one up yet. It's supposed to carry on where
Tradition and Vision left off.
>
>KLAUS SCHULZE & PETE NAMLOOK:
>The Dark Side of the Moog - Germany FAX +49-69/450464 PK 08/96, ltd. ed. of
>1000, 9/93
>The Dark Side of the Moog 2 - Germany FAX +49-69/450464 PK 08/99, ltd. ed.
>of 1000, 11/93
>The Dark Side of the Moog/From Within - Germany FAX +49-69/450464 PKPWPS 4,
>12 LP sampler of DSOTM I & II, 1995
>The Dark Side of the Moog III - Germany FAX +49-69/450464 PK 08/101, ltd.
>ed. of 2000, 4/95
>The Dark Side of the Moog III - Germany FAX +49-69/450464 PK 08/105, 12 LP,
>exerpts, 4/95
>The Dark Side of the Moog IV - Germany FAX +49-69/450464 PK 08/108, ltd. ed.
>of 2000, 3/96
>The Dark Side of the Moog IV - Germany FAX +49-69/450464 PK 08/112, 12 LP,
>exerpts, 3/96
>The Dark Side of the Moog V - Germany FAX +49-69/450464 PK 08/123, ltd. ed.
>of 2000, 1996
>The Dark Side of the Moog VI - Germany FAX +49-69/450464, ???
>
Each release has tended to improve over the previous, although II was
too ambient for me (not much happened). V and VI have been definite
buys in my books.
>RICHARD WAHNFRIED (aka KLAUS SCHULZE):
>Richard Wahnfried plays Megatone - Germany Thunderbolt CDTB 031, 1984
This was fairly hard to find on CD in its original form. Excerpts
appear on the IC releases listed below as 'bonus tracks'. I enjoyed
'Rich Meets Max', the main/last piece, with the other stuff being ho
hum. It was done back in the Schulze/Bloss era.
>Time Actor - Germany Innovative Comm. IC 710.094, 1979, rel. 1990
Klaus teams up with Arthur Brown, for a combination of sequenced
synths and awful vocals...
>Tonwelle - Germany Innovative Comm. IC 710.095, 1979/1981, rel. 1990
Klaus teams up with Manual Gottsching, Michael Shrieve and Carlos
Santana for some ripping synths/percussion/guitar music. There's also
some vocals. A great release! The laugh was that it took me months to
realize that the original LP I was playing was supposed to be played
at 45rpm, not 33! Boy, it really picked up when I change the speed!
<;-)
>Miditation - Germany Innovative Comm. IC 710.096, w/Steve Jolliffe, 1986,
>rel. 1990
Klaus and Steve Joliffe (hey, another TD reference). In the same mood
as Dune. Kind of slow.
>
>WAHNFRIED (aka KLAUS SCHULZE):
>Trancelation - Germany ZYX Music ZYX 20296-2, recorded 10/93, rel. 1994
This is some kind of techno release. I think; I don't know the club
names for this stuff. Very poppy with vocal samples. It's a one off in
Schulze's musical adventures, not for most people.
>Trance Appeal - Germany Metronome 531 683-2, 1996
Schulze teams up with Jorg Schaaf (also on Tradition and Vision,
Dosburg Online...). Very different from its predecessor. A nice piece
of 90's EM.
>Drums and Balls - 1997
Still waiting for this one to arrive.
>
>KLAUS SCHULZE (Related):
>Alphaville: The Breathtaking Blue - US Atlantic 7 81943-2, prod. & arranged
>by K. Schulze, 1989
No comment.
>Ash Ra Tempel - same (w/K. Schulze) - France Spalax 14244, 3/71
Early 70's space rock. Klaus plays drums. Smoke a pound of hash before
playing this.
>Ash Ra Tempel - Join Inn (w/K. Schulze) - France Spalax 14246, 12/72, rel. 1973
See above. I think Klaus plays some keyboards as well (I don't have
it).
>Baffo Banfi: Ma, Dolce Vita - Germany Innovative Comm. IC 58 066, LP, Prod.
>by KS, 1979
No idea.
>Rainer Bloss: Drive Inn - Vol. I - Germany Innovative Comm. IC 710.103, 1986
Better than Aphrica...just.
>Rainer Bloss: Drive Inn - Vol. II - Germany Innovative Comm. IC 710.104, 1986
Schulze doesn't play on this although he's in the credits. A good way
to sh*tty records, I guess.
>Code III: Planet of Man - Germany Membran/Kunstkopf-Stereophonie 25-125-1,
>LP, K. Schulze drums on 1 track, 1974
No idea.
>Cosmic Jokers: Cosmic Jokers - France Spalax 14293, digi-pak, 1973
>Cosmic Jokers: Galactic Supermarket - France Spalax 14292, digi-pak, 1974
>Cosmic Jokers: Sci Fi Party - France Spalax 14884, digi-pak, 1974
>Cosmic Jokers: Gilles Zeitschiff - France Spalax 14885, digi-pak, 1974
>Cosmic Jokers: Planeten Sit-In - France Spalax 14904, digi-pak, 1974
Replace the pound of hashish described above with a blotter sheet of
acid and continue with the procedure...
>Far East Family Band: The Cave Down to Earth (w/K. Schulze)- Japan Columbia
>COCA-11142, Jap. spine, 1974, rel. 1993
Hey, Kitaro came out of this somehow.
>Sergius Golowin: Lord Krishna von Goloka (w/K. Schulze) - France Spalax
>14883, digipak, 1973, rel. 1996
Slit your wrists instead. It's more enjoyable...
>Ideal: Ideal (prod. by K. Schulze) - Germany WEA 58716, LP, 1980
>PCock: InCognito - Germany Innovative Comm. KS 80 005, 45 rpm LP, prod. by
>K. Schulze, 1981
>Robert Schröder: Harmonic Ascendant (w/K. Schulze) - Germany DA Music/Racket
>Records CD 715020, 1979
>Robert Schröder: Floating Music (w/K. Schulze) - Germany DA Music/Racket
>Records CD 715021, 1980
More IC stuff; no idea.
>Michael Shrieve: Transfer Station Blue (w/K. Schulze) - Germany Fortuna
>17023-2, 1984
This one's pretty good. It's got some remix-like stuff that appeared
on Tonwelle (side B). Early 80's Schulze style.
>Software: Fragrance (w/K. Schulze)- Germany Innovative Comm. IC 710.092, 1990
>Wallenstein: Stories, Songs & Symphonies (w/K. Schulze) - Germany ZYX CD
>58014-2, 1974
>Walter Wegmüller: Tarot (w/K. Quadro Schulze) - France Spalax 14900, 2 CD in
>box w/tarot cards, #d 1253/3000, 1974, rel. 1994
No idea with the above.
>Stomu Yamashta: Go Live From Paris (w/K. Schulze) - Germany Island 26125
>XBT, 2 LPs, foldout, 6/12/76
>Stomu Yamashtas GO: GO Live (bootleg w/K. Schulze) - Germany Kiss No. 12,
>Europe/Paris, 1976
The predecessor to the Richard Wahnfried stuff. Supposed to be OK.
>Stomu Yamashta: Go Too (w/K. Schulze) - US One Way OW 26785, 1977
Set yourself on fire instead. It's more enjoyable.
>
>Hope this helps and doesn't break your wallet,
You're too late with that advice!
Now, time to hide in my bunker while any responses are made. Bash
Schulze, bash KDM, bash TD, bash me, whatever.
Regards.
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Date: Mon Feb 9, 1998 7:04
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Subject: Re: New BTH???
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Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
Dang ...for once I don't feel like a step child always getting
everything last.
I got my copy about 2 weeks ago or maybe 3
THE HIGHLANDER
>Really-From: AOutland@a...
> Really-From: Dave Brewer
>
>
> Do I remember correctly in reading a while back that some folks here have
> received their copies of the new issue of Beyond the Horizon?? If so, why
> haven't I got mine yet?? I should still be subscribed, I think. Sorry for
> griping here, I just wanna know.
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> Dave B.
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> Same here Dave. I'll give it another week. Dell
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Date: Mon Feb 9, 1998 7:39
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Subject: D: Klaus Schulze
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Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
Well it is time for me to put my 2 cents worth in the pot. I enjoy
Klaus' CD's greatly.
If I remeber correctly my first Klaus CD was Blackdance
or Time Wind. I bought these after talking with someone
outside of a local record shop after purchasing Franke's London Concert.
This person has since become a good friend.
He told me about how great Klaus and his music were. So I
had to check it out for myself.
I now have 41 of his releases either on CD or Vinyl and cassette. (I am
couting the Silver, Historic, and Jubilee as one each)
I also like his 'screw the bootleggers' attitude with the Silver ,
Historic, and Jubilee Editions. However, I had to give up both kidneys and
live on a dialysis machine to buy the Jubilee Edition, (25 cd's at $350 was
a bit hard to swallow).All in all it was worth it tho.
Klaus has gone in a direction that I wish Tangerine Dream had stuck a
little closer to. Sure, some of his stuff does drone on a bit once in a
while but listening to his music is like getting your brain massaged.
Right now one of the CD's I listen to the most is
Babel, a definite must have for any Klaus fan.
Dune, in my opinion, would have been graet music to use in the movie of
the same name. I figure Klaus must have read the book and been inspired to
create the music along
with Herr Scmitt.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT READ THE LATEST BEYOND THE
HORIZON: Do any of you have any clue who Herr Schmitt is?
Also another note for Klaus fans BTH has now incorporated the KS Circle
within it's pages now.
My other most listened to music from Klaus is the Dark Side of the Moog
series. These use the Floyd titles and sometimes remind you of Floyd albums.
I can't say enough about Klaus and really don't know how to describe
his other works. But as long as he keeps
putting stuff out I will keep buying it.
THE HIGHLANDER
np:Dziekuje Poland Live '83
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Really-From: DJS
'TONS of sentences cut about Klaus written by captain Mike Livsey...the
crazed Klaus fan'
wait...was that it I just read? Heh heh, I hope there was some cut &
paste action there dude cuz that was the longest message I've EVER seen
posted anywhere! Yeeehahahaha!! Heck, I couldn't write that much about
one of my favorite subjects: SEX! Kidding aside, I commend you on that
essay dude. You are one crazed Klaus fan....and NO...I'm not related to
Klaus...that there's a 't' at the end of my name...before the 'e' heh
heh, you know, as in Emerson Lake & Palmer, nEtherlands, Elana...heh
heh...you get the idea.
Anyway Mike, how many Klaus albums are actually out there & how many
do you own? Just curious....& who owns more...you or Vic?
Regards,
Dano the non z guy
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Subject: TommyKnockers by Chris Franke
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Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
By the end of this week I will have 4 copies of the music from The
TommyKnockers music by Chris Franke available for trade. I am getting 10
copies but 6 are already spoken for in other trades.
If the person making the CD-R's for me doesn't change anything it will
be 1 track approximately 20-25 minutes long. It is being recorded from a
cassete which I recieved from a friend. It was labeled as a 'For your
consideration'
cassette. Something like a demo to give to a producer of the movie.
The music has some framiliar sounds from Klemania. There was no track
listing or times so that is why it will be recorded as 1 track.
There will be artwork which was done by someone on this list who sold
me their soul for a copy.(I wonder who that would be....someone with the
initials VR).
Anyway I would like to trade it for CD's or CD-R's of stuff I do not have.
Any concerts from TD before 1980
Coefficient of Aural Expansion 1&2
Danger ..Live
Spherical Harmonics 1&2
You get the Idea....send me a list of what you would be willing to trade
or make CD-R's of
HGHLNDR@w...
I also have a copy of Perry Rhodan (sealed)available for trade.
If the demand is great enough I may be able to get more copies made.
Thanks,
Robert
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Subject: Re: TDREAM MIDI FILES
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Really-From: Antonio Nunes
'DAVID HAESLER' wrote:
> I am looking for Tdream mdi files
>
> Can anyone help me?
>
> I have a few (e.g. Poland, 2hot.., Tangent, Dolphin Dance, etc. but only
> these are the easy ones to get off the web.
Do you have already 'Canyon Voices'? I can send a copy via email if you
like.
Antonio
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Subject: Chords n Keys
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>If you can do that, I'm sure you can help me! Can you tell me what you
found
>for Ricochet and Stratosfear? I can play them, but it doesn't sound
exactly
>like on the album. First of all, is it at least in Ebm?
For Invisible Limits piano try Cm Ab F G - a minor version of the standard
pop
music 'turnaround' (tonic submediant subdominant dominant for those who like
that
kind of terminology) progression (Blue Moon and the chorus of Cinammon
Road);
Ricochet Pt II piano is just Cm Gm alternating
Some others
Dolphin Dance - Em D Em D Em D A Am7
White Eagle - Am F G Bm
Beach Scene - A E Bm A E F sharp min E F sharp min repeats D E then back
to A E Bm etc
Song of the Whale I - Em Cmaj7 Em Cmaj7 Bm F Em D
Yellowstone Park - Am G D F Am G D F G
Logos I final section - Em D C repeats Am G D with f sharp in bass Fmaj7
repeats At end
this sequence changes to Am Em F G
TD's new favourite key (from 1992) is D minor (or D natural minor/Aeolian D
if
you want to be pederastic...oops, pedantic) Touchwood , Two Bunch Palms,
Oriental
Haze, Firetongues, ad infinitum
Glynn
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Subject: re: AHOY! Clear The Poop Deck.........
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Really-From: 'willfred'
for the record:
Dano you are incorrigable.
Thank the web deities you are on this list.
Dano carries the true spirit of Lester Bangs in
him.
BEEFCAAAAAKE, BEEFCAAAAKE.
we now return you to your normal tadream programming.
biill2
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Really-From: 'DAVID HAESLER'
Yes please Antonio, i dont have Canyon Voices
Thanks alot and best regards
David
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>
>
> 'DAVID HAESLER' wrote:
>
> > I am looking for Tdream mdi files
> >
> > Can anyone help me?
> >
> > I have a few (e.g. Poland, 2hot.., Tangent, Dolphin Dance, etc. but
only
> > these are the easy ones to get off the web.
>
>
> Do you have already 'Canyon Voices'? I can send a copy via email if you
> like.
>
> Antonio
>
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Date: Mon Feb 9, 1998 12:21
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Subject: D: Klaus Schulze
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Klaus Schulze's music has been quite special for me. While I never got too
addicted (definition: listen to it all the time), on the whole I do find KS'
music a very interesting listening experience. It has to be approached
differently from TD's music.
KS records were very hard to get in my region in the late 80s, so my very
first KS CD had to be the double Dziekuje Poland back in 1989. Finding the
double discs excellent, I went for my second KS CD Timewind. By that time I
already knew that KS would be an important complement to my TD collection
;-)
It's somehow easier for me to pick a few favourite KS tracks than albums to
show my preference. I think the following tracks should be good enough to
demonstrate how good KS could be (from mid 70s to early 80s):
1) Stahlsymphonie first track (TV version)
2) Velvet Voyage (Mirage)
3) Bayreuth Return (Timewind)
4) Nowhere Now-Here (Body Love Vol.2)
5) Sebastian Im Traum (Audentity)
The Stahlsymphonie track, in particular, should be considered one of the
greatest KS tracks ever, IMHO. The video also has a lot of close-ups to
resolve your queries regarding KS' live performance.
Jeffrey
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Subject: NO TD: Nyquil
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Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
Hello Dreamers,
if I could bother you with a non-TD question;
could any of the American list members explain to me what
'Nyquil' is? On their 'John Henry' album, They Might Be
Giants have a song called 'Nyquil Driver', which for
copyright reasons had to be referred to as 'a.k.a. Driver'
on the official track list. As far as I know, Nyquil is
some sort of medicine sold in the US, but what precisely is
it, and what has it got to do with driving?
If someone could contact me off-list and clarify...?
Thanks - Dennis
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Date: Mon Feb 9, 1998 2:14
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Subject: Re: Don't Like DREAM MIXES Nor OASIS? Get Off This List!
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Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:33:42 +0100 tadream mailing list
wrote:
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> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
>
> I find it strange that people who love Rubycon, Ricochet, Logos and
> Poland also like Dream Mixes and Oasis, because I can see
> absolutely no resemblance in it.
>
> Marcel
> Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
> Email :fsp@w...
> (and no Steven, I won't get off this list, sorry :-))
Resemblances? Well, as you said...sequencer patterns, lead
synths, interjection effects...the patterns haven't really
changed all that much, just the tunes, pace, and sounds. I
agree that TD's and Jarre's more recent output does sound a
bit more techno-ish, but I don't see that as an attempt to
get into rave music or lick its boots. Rather, it seems to
be the influence of the present day and the musical and
social properties of the present day that make their music
sound different. The Seventies were laid-back, dopey,
experimental and explorative, and so was the music. The
Nineties are different, and so is the music. It is true
that it's a pathetic excuse for producing bad music that it
is the 'music of the time', but I think that both
contemporary TD and Jarre do have their qualities; they are
just different from 70s TD/Jarre.
Dennis
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Date: Mon Feb 9, 1998 2:49
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Subject: RE: Klaus Schulze
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To Jeffrey
You should listen to 'PORTRAITS' (Can't remember the year,(early 80's
?))
Philippe
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De: tadream@c... [SMTP:tadream@c...]
> Date: lundi 9 février 1998 12:22
> À: tadream@c...
> Objet: D: Klaus Schulze
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> Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
>
>
> Klaus Schulze's music has been quite special for me. While I never got
> too
> addicted (definition: listen to it all the time), on the whole I do
> find KS'
> music a very interesting listening experience. It has to be approached
> differently from TD's music.
>
> KS records were very hard to get in my region in the late 80s, so my
> very
> first KS CD had to be the double Dziekuje Poland back in 1989. Finding
> the
> double discs excellent, I went for my second KS CD Timewind. By that
> time I
> already knew that KS would be an important complement to my TD
> collection
> ;-)
>
> It's somehow easier for me to pick a few favourite KS tracks than
> albums to
> show my preference. I think the following tracks should be good enough
> to
> demonstrate how good KS could be (from mid 70s to early 80s):
>
>
> 1) Stahlsymphonie first track (TV version)
> 2) Velvet Voyage (Mirage)
> 3) Bayreuth Return (Timewind)
> 4) Nowhere Now-Here (Body Love Vol.2)
> 5) Sebastian Im Traum (Audentity)
>
> The Stahlsymphonie track, in particular, should be considered one of
> the
> greatest KS tracks ever, IMHO. The video also has a lot of close-ups
> to
> resolve your queries regarding KS' live performance.
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
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Subject: Re: E-music Big Names Coasting, Making Small Artists Suffer
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Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn)
>Really-From: DJS
>
>> Groan. That blows. Except for the soundtrack to BLADE RUNNER (one
>> of the most overrated movies ever; go rent GHOST IN THE SHELL and you'll
>> never want to watch BLADE RUNNER again), I think Vangelis is only two
>> steps up from Tomita. As for Jarre, if it wasnt' for OXYGENE, ZOOLOOK
>> and WAITING FOR COUSTEAU (the 45-minute long title track is a better
>> ambient recording than anything Eno has done for a decade), he wouldn't
>> have much to recommend him, either.
>
>You picked two of Jarre's WORST albums (Zoolook & Waiting for sleep) for
>examples. These albums represent the glut of crap that's out there today
>by established artists.
Crap?! Zoolook is one of my all-time favs from Jarre. OK, if you were
expecting another Oxygene/Equinoxe/Magnetic Fields I can see why you'd
be disappointed. (And I *do* like Oxygene.) The styles are way different.
Zoolook has a more 'organic' feel to it, which I find very appealing,
rather than just a bunch of catchy synth lines.
As for Waiting For Cousteau, *this* is what ambient should sound like, not
the techno_band_on_prozac excuse (ha-HA-HA-ha!) that passes for ambient
music these days. Again, not what most Jarre fans were probably expecting
but darn good in its own right. Although, if you're not into the Eno-esque
ambient style of music then I can understand why you'd use this album as an
aid to sleep.
The fact that Jarre can produce albums of very different styles doesn't
necessarily indicate that he's trying to glut the market with crap. IMHO,
I think it shows that he has a wide range of musical talents and that
he's not stuck in a rut like some of the e-musicians out there.
>>(CHRONOLOGIE has two good tracks,
>>but OXYGENE 7-12 (or whatever the heck it's called) only has one!
>
>Man, I don't know what it was you were drinking or smoking when you
>listened to these two brilliant albums but one things for sure...don't
>save any for me. I think those two albums are his best work.
Haven't heard them yet, (too busy listening to Klaus Schulze), but I plan
to! :-)
Cheers,
Erik
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Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn)
Just a couple of comments re: Mike Livsey's herculean attempt to review
KS's discography in one (!) email message:
>Dune - Germany Brain 811 842-2, 1979
>The first track is like Mirage's first piece; spacey mumblings. The
>second piece has Arthur Brown singing some annoying piece to a great
>background synth track. Wolfgang Tiepold play cello to add a classic
>sound.
I rather like the first track because of the 'spacey mumblings'. I think
it makes the track more interesting, having things happen on different
levels. As for the Arthur Brown bit, well, it's not my cuppa tea. Ditto
for the other occasions where Brown sings/recites/doodles on KS albums.
Problem for me is, my first exposure to Arthur Brown was his wonderfully
wacky 'The Crazy World of Arthur Brown' album of... 1969? (Yikes!)
Without fail, everytime I hear his very distinctive voice I recall a
song from this album entitled, 'The Great Spontaneous Apple Creation!'
A delightful bit of inspired psychedelic nuttiness. I just can't take him
seriously after that. ;-)
>Audentity - Germany Brain 817 194-2, 2 CD, 1983
>This was KS's pinnacle of the 'digital' type music. Rainer Bloss joins
>Mike Shrieve and Wolfgang Tiepold to create an interesting combination
>of digital synth (Fairlight, GDS...), piano, classic strings, and
>rhythm. It's one of those 'theme' albums trying to tell a story. The
>last piece, Sebastien Im Traum, is definitely an EM story, as it's not
>very musical. I'm sure a lot of people hate this release with a
>passion; it's one of my all-time favourites.
The only reason I like this release is because of 'Sebastien Im Traum'.
It's not very musical in the traditional sense but I enjoy it because
it's somewhat similar to the really abstract tracks from Schmoelling.
I really dig this sort of thing. The rest of the album could've been
distilled down to one LP side, IMHO. Too much time and too little
development for my tastes.
Cheers,
Erik
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Subject: Re: D:Schulze/History
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Really-From: Vic Rek
History - Germany Brain 835 161-2, promo only ltd. 800 copies, 1988
Hey Vic + others,
Is the History promo CD really has an edition of 800 copies? I first heard
it had 1,000. KDM mentioned in The Works that it might be just some 500. Who
knows more about this?
Jeffrey
np: Jubilee Edition Disc 3: Budapest
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Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Really-From: 'GIBONE, Philippe'
To Jeffrey
You should listen to 'PORTRAITS' (Can't remember the year,(early 80's
?))
Philippe
What is this??
Jeffrey
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De: tadream@c... [SMTP:tadream@c...]
> Date: lundi 9 février 1998 12:22
> À: tadream@c...
> Objet: D: Klaus Schulze
>
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> Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
>
>
> Klaus Schulze's music has been quite special for me. While I never got
> too
> addicted (definition: listen to it all the time), on the whole I do
> find KS'
> music a very interesting listening experience. It has to be approached
> differently from TD's music.
>
> KS records were very hard to get in my region in the late 80s, so my
> very
> first KS CD had to be the double Dziekuje Poland back in 1989. Finding
> the
> double discs excellent, I went for my second KS CD Timewind. By that
> time I
> already knew that KS would be an important complement to my TD
> collection
> ;-)
>
> It's somehow easier for me to pick a few favourite KS tracks than
> albums to
> show my preference. I think the following tracks should be good enough
> to
> demonstrate how good KS could be (from mid 70s to early 80s):
>
>
> 1) Stahlsymphonie first track (TV version)
> 2) Velvet Voyage (Mirage)
> 3) Bayreuth Return (Timewind)
> 4) Nowhere Now-Here (Body Love Vol.2)
> 5) Sebastian Im Traum (Audentity)
>
> The Stahlsymphonie track, in particular, should be considered one of
> the
> greatest KS tracks ever, IMHO. The video also has a lot of close-ups
> to
> resolve your queries regarding KS' live performance.
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
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Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 98-02-09 01:14:52 EST, you write:
<< Now, time to hide in my bunker while any responses are made. Bash
Schulze, bash KDM, bash TD, bash me, whatever.
>>
one of the best posts ive read on this list to date...thanks for all the
info...not much i can add xcept to say that the guy cares about his fans....
tom w
np: freezone 4
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> >
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> > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> >
> >
> > I find it strange that people who love Rubycon, Ricochet, Logos and
> > Poland also like Dream Mixes and Oasis, because I can see
> > absolutely no resemblance in it.
> >
Is that really you Marcel Engels (Celmar quoi !)
Just a quick word to say that
1) I love Rubycon, Ricochet ... and more
2) I don't like Dream mixes (but my son loves it)
3) I love Gotainer and your job on his records
4) Regards to your brother Claude (Magma, early Catherine Lara
and so)
>
>
Philippe (french too, but that's an american site ! )
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> >>(CHRONOLOGIE has two good tracks,
> >>but OXYGENE 7-12 (or whatever the heck it's called) only has one!
It's Oxygene 7-13 BTW!
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Hi,
I saw your posting on the site , and would like to inquire about getting a
copy if one is availible. I don't have a cdr but have a copy of Danger Live and
a few other shows on cassette. If I can trade four or five cass. with covers,
would this do? I am also willing to pay for the Tommy cdr if you prefer. Please
let me know and thank you!
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Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
By the end of this week I will have 4 copies of the music from The
TommyKnockers music by Chris Franke available for trade. I am getting 10
copies but 6 are already spoken for in other trades.
If the person making the CD-R's for me doesn't change anything it will
be 1 track approximately 20-25 minutes long. It is being recorded from a
cassete which I recieved from a friend. It was labeled as a 'For your
consideration'
cassette. Something like a demo to give to a producer of the movie.
The music has some framiliar sounds from Klemania. There was no track
listing or times so that is why it will be recorded as 1 track.
There will be artwork which was done by someone on this list who sold
me their soul for a copy.(I wonder who that would be....someone with the
initials VR).
Anyway I would like to trade it for CD's or CD-R's of stuff I do not have.
Any concerts from TD before 1980
Coefficient of Aural Expansion 1&2
Danger ..Live
Spherical Harmonics 1&2
You get the Idea....send me a list of what you would be willing to trade
or make CD-R's of
HGHLNDR@w...
I also have a copy of Perry Rhodan (sealed)available for trade.
If the demand is great enough I may be able to get more copies made.
Thanks,
Robert
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>Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
>
>Resemblances? Well, as you said...sequencer patterns, lead
>synths, interjection effects...the patterns haven't really
>changed all that much, just the tunes, pace, and sounds. I
>agree that TD's and Jarre's more recent output does sound a
>bit more techno-ish, but I don't see that as an attempt to
>get into rave music or lick its boots. Rather, it seems to
>be the influence of the present day and the musical and
>social properties of the present day that make their music
>sound different. The Seventies were laid-back, dopey,
>experimental and explorative, and so was the music. The
>Nineties are different, and so is the music. It is true
>that it's a pathetic excuse for producing bad music that it
>is the 'music of the time', but I think that both
>contemporary TD and Jarre do have their qualities; they are
>just different from 70s TD/Jarre.
>
>Dennis
You make some excellent points there Dennis, regarding the effect of 'society'
on TD's music. I don't think it's just the nineties where we see this
influence, though. There are many comparisons between TD's output of the 70s
and 80s and Pink Floyd, and it is clear that many of the 70s albums are
influenced by prog-rock of that time (Alpha Centauri and Cyclone being the most
obvious examples, IMO).
Similarly, it can't be pure coincidence that as the pop world moved into drum
machines and synth pop tunes in the early eighties that TD themselves started
producing shorter, punchier tracks, again following the general trend of music.
I've only known other TD fans since I joined this list. I think it would have
been interesting to have a similar forum twenty years ago and ten years ago. I
think there may have been some fans upset at the 'commercial' nature of the
music being produced in those periods relative to the other 'pop' music
prevalent at the time.
I also feel at a disadvantage because I am now buying these albums as they
appear, and so am comparing them (subconsciously) with the popular music. I
wish to return to those days of buying albums ten or twenty years old where I
can listen to the music without reference to the unknown hits of those years
and thus hear TD at their most 'creative'. That may be one reason why I'm
starting to look at other bands like Ashra and K/Cluster now - partly because
of the musical style but also because I can get old albums which 'sound' as
innovative as TD music of the same period.
I honestly believe that in ten years time we'll be looking back at the music of
today (Oasis, Dream Mixes, maybe even Goblin's Club) and complaining about
Jerome's latest release for being too commercial.
Oops, rambled on a bit there. Sorry,
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Date: Mon Feb 9, 1998 4:34
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Subject: RE: Klaus Schulze
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> To Jeffrey
> You should listen to 'PORTRAITS' (Can't remember the year,(early 80's
> ?))
> Philippe
>
>
> What is this??
>
> Jeffrey
>
A double Album By KC with musical portraits : if you've liked
TimeWind you'll love this one.
Philippe
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De: tadream@c... [SMTP:tadream@c...]
> > Date: lundi 9 février 1998 12:22
> > À: tadream@c...
> > Objet: D: Klaus Schulze
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --------
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> > Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
> >
> >
> > Klaus Schulze's music has been quite special for me. While I never
> got
> > too
> > addicted (definition: listen to it all the time), on the whole I do
> > find KS'
> > music a very interesting listening experience. It has to be
> approached
> > differently from TD's music.
> >
> > KS records were very hard to get in my region in the late 80s, so my
> > very
> > first KS CD had to be the double Dziekuje Poland back in 1989.
> Finding
> > the
> > double discs excellent, I went for my second KS CD Timewind. By that
> > time I
> > already knew that KS would be an important complement to my TD
> > collection
> > ;-)
> >
> > It's somehow easier for me to pick a few favourite KS tracks than
> > albums to
> > show my preference. I think the following tracks should be good
> enough
> > to
> > demonstrate how good KS could be (from mid 70s to early 80s):
> >
> >
> > 1) Stahlsymphonie first track (TV version)
> > 2) Velvet Voyage (Mirage)
> > 3) Bayreuth Return (Timewind)
> > 4) Nowhere Now-Here (Body Love Vol.2)
> > 5) Sebastian Im Traum (Audentity)
> >
> > The Stahlsymphonie track, in particular, should be considered one of
> > the
> > greatest KS tracks ever, IMHO. The video also has a lot of close-ups
> > to
> > resolve your queries regarding KS' live performance.
> >
> > Jeffrey
> >
> >
>
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> Really-From: DJS
> Anyway Mike, how many Klaus albums are actually out there & how many
> do you own? Just curious....& who owns more...you or Vic?
Well, it would have to be me since Mike couldn't comment on some or 'had
no idea'. No really, if anyone is interested in Klaus Schulze LP's,
please contact me off list. I have a few to trade/sell.
Vic
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> Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey)
Good comments Mike. Had some free time lately I see :-)
> Musically, Klaus tends to explore a musical style, perfect it, and
> then beat it to death before moving on to another style. As a result,
> his releases have been quite varied in quality/originality. Even a die
> hard like me should be able to admit that.
I can agree with this.
> And now for the bazillion reviews/comments...
> [where's Live...]
> Live's the end of KS's analog synth days. This was his first and last
> live recording.....at the time. A gazillion live releases followed.
Yes, I know, Marcel reminded me. I have it on CD and LP, so how could I
forget ;-)
And to be even more complete, I forgot:
Ash Ra Tempel - Paris Downers 2 CD bootleg! Paris 1974 I think. I'm not
sure if Klaus plays live on this one. Can anyone confirm.
> >United States '83 (Bootleg) - Germany Silver Rarities SIRA 32-33, 2 CD, USA
1983
> I heard this was a b**t of the 90's Royal Festival Hall stuff, and not
> from '83. Can't comment.
This show in NOT from the USA, since many of us know that Klaus doesn't
play the US. But let's not start another thread on this ;-)
> >Aphrica (w/Ernst Fuchs & Rainer Bloss) - Germany InTeam ID 20.001, LP, 1984
> Time to put the barf bag on (yes Vik; we'll discuss the CD-R offline).
OK, I'm waiting on your off-line comments.
Vic
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Duh, Sorry went to wrong place. I'm usually not this stupid.
Chris
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Hi,
I saw your posting on the site , and would like to inquire about getting a
copy if one is availible. I don't have a cdr but have a copy of Danger Live and
a few other shows on cassette. If I can trade four or five cass. with covers,
would this do? I am also willing to pay for the Tommy cdr if you prefer. Please
let me know and thank you!
Chris Chouinard
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Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
By the end of this week I will have 4 copies of the music from The
TommyKnockers music by Chris Franke available for trade. I am getting 10
copies but 6 are already spoken for in other trades.
If the person making the CD-R's for me doesn't change anything it will
be 1 track approximately 20-25 minutes long. It is being recorded from a
cassete which I recieved from a friend. It was labeled as a 'For your
consideration'
cassette. Something like a demo to give to a producer of the movie.
The music has some framiliar sounds from Klemania. There was no track
listing or times so that is why it will be recorded as 1 track.
There will be artwork which was done by someone on this list who sold
me their soul for a copy.(I wonder who that would be....someone with the
initials VR).
Anyway I would like to trade it for CD's or CD-R's of stuff I do not have.
Any concerts from TD before 1980
Coefficient of Aural Expansion 1&2
Danger ..Live
Spherical Harmonics 1&2
You get the Idea....send me a list of what you would be willing to trade
or make CD-R's of
HGHLNDR@w...
I also have a copy of Perry Rhodan (sealed)available for trade.
If the demand is great enough I may be able to get more copies made.
Thanks,
Robert
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Date: Mon Feb 9, 1998 2:59
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Subject: RE: TDREAM MIDI FILES
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>Do you have already 'Canyon Voices'? I can send a copy via email if you
>like.
I want it to... please! :)
See ya!
:) Michael (:
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>Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
>
>I honestly believe that in ten years time we'll be looking back at the
music of
>today (Oasis, Dream Mixes, maybe even Goblin's Club) and complaining about
>Jerome's latest release for being too commercial.
Optical Race is now ten years old. Didn't like it then and don't like it
now.
Liked Logos or LiveMiles right away and still like it.
My opinion is that they should have gone into the LiveMiles direction. New
instruments
, fresh ideas, still those nice building-up tunes. Not 3 min. cramped full
of #%@.
But you've got a point there, Craig.
All of these bands (PF, KS, TD, Ashra, Neuronium etc) played different music
back then. Different time, different machines, different attitudes?
I guess when you play 70s TD after 10 years you want to go into a
new/different
direction.
Marcel (wondering how TD would have sounded nowadays with
Schmoelling/Baumann or at least the same ideas)
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
Email :fsp@w...
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>Really-From: 'GIBONE, Philippe'
>
> Is that really you Marcel Engels (Celmar quoi !)
Yep, it's Marcel Engels allright. But I think you're refering
to another Marcel Engels.
Great another Marcel Engels! I always knew I had a clone
somewhere. He finally appeared.
It's also strange that both he and me are 'busy' with music.
I'd love to know more about this Marcel.
Question: Does anybody on this list also have 'clones' or
someone 'wearing' the same name?
I guess this is something for another mailing list.
Marcel (the dutch one)
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
Email :fsp@w...
(I feel he's part of the family already!)
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Woo Hoo! Well, I have at last a few more copies of Orgies if anyone
needs any or didn't get one. Just call me today at 1-714-839-3693 to
order one. These are quite limited and are well worth the cost so if you
want one...act now before Vic Rek buys all of them! Heh heh,
Regards,
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>Really-From: DJS
>
>Woo Hoo! Well, I have at last a few more copies of Orgies if anyone
>needs any or didn't get one.
Wot ? If anyone needs any ?
Every serious TD collector must have it,
I´m not aware of any better release in that vein.
Buy them now before they are all gone !
Trust me, you won´t believe how excellent that set is,
even the cover is tasty. ;-)
Jens
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
>
>
> > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> >
> >
> > I find it strange that people who love Rubycon, Ricochet, Logos and
> > Poland also like Dream Mixes and Oasis, because I can see
> > absolutely no resemblance in it.
> >
> > Marcel
> > Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
> > Email :fsp@w...
> > (and no Steven, I won't get off this list, sorry :-))
>
> Resemblances? Well, as you said...sequencer patterns, lead
> synths, interjection effects...the patterns haven't really
> changed all that much, just the tunes, pace, and sounds. I
> agree that TD's and Jarre's more recent output does sound a
> bit more techno-ish, but I don't see that as an attempt to
> get into rave music or lick its boots. Rather, it seems to
> be the influence of the present day and the musical and
> social properties of the present day that make their music
> sound different. The Seventies were laid-back, dopey,
> experimental and explorative, and so was the music. The
> Nineties are different, and so is the music. It is true
> that it's a pathetic excuse for producing bad music that it
> is the 'music of the time', but I think that both
> contemporary TD and Jarre do have their qualities; they are
> just different from 70s TD/Jarre.
>
> Dennis
That's the best explanation I've heard thus far.
It's true that it is the 90's and the society tends
to reflect the ideas in the music, just as, as you said,
the 70's was more a time of freedom and acceptance
of everything and just about anything.
I'm a 90's person, being 19, it's the age of technology
and the age of speed. Thus we're moving faster and
faster and it seems the technoish type music
portrays that.
The Alternative (music) life style in itself is important that we
all don't lose our personal identities and socialness
as a people. The simple music lends itself to a
lifestyle where, yes you can be part of the technological
world, yet your culture is your own, and your life
dosn't center around having that technology always
there.
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Subject: Best of '97
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
Hey, I know this is a TD list, but here are my 5 favourite EM related
releases from 1997. (In no particular order, and not counting re-releases
etc)
If you only listen to TD and are not interested in other EM then skip this
post. If you want to broaden your horizons, then read on.
I am hoping a few others would like to share their choices and thoughts.
Rob Essers - A Lizard's Walk
I heard of this guy only through a review of the album in Synth Music
Direct's magazine. It was a bad month for TD items for sale, I had
everything on offer so I thought I'd broaden my horizon's. Here are a few
quotes from the review that made me pick this album...
'Strip out the guitar and sax from some of the later TD albums, and mix the
sequences more forward and you get what Rob Essers is producing here'
'...picked out with such expertise that Paul Haslinger could easily be
guesting'
'...sounding almost like TD's 'Love on a real train' supplemented with a
main theme'
I personally find it unfair that all EM musicians are compared to either TD,
JMJ or Vangelis. It seems that even goundbreaking stuff automatically has
to have it's base in one of these three artists. Having said that, it was
such a comparison that made me buy it, so what does that tell you?
You'll be hard pushed to find this in the shops, but you might like to try
SMD or Groove Unlimited if you want to check this one out. It's on CUE
Records NL. (CUE1126)
Redshift - Redshift
That guy Mark Shreeve does it again. This time with a totally new
direction, hence the lack of the Mark Shreeve name on anything other than
the composer credit on the inside of the sleeve. Lots has already been said
about this release already, so I don't feel I need to go into detail here.
Other than to say fans of Phaedra/Rubycon era TD should definitely check
this out.
Asana - Live at Jodrell Bank
With this album, Dave Barker takes the stunning Trikuti album, and gives it
a whole new lease of life in a live setting. This is what a live album
should sound like. Although I have all but one of the tracks already, they
still sound just as fresh hearing them on this album as they did the first
time round. No 'Tournado' treatment here though. The tracks are noticably
different from their studio counterparts. This is EM at it's best. Fine
sequences, unusual patch sounds, great samples, and some fantastic driving
beats. I see this album as an extrapolation of the thought's behind TD's
Dream Mixes. This is what TD should have done. Don't get me wrong, I love
Dream Mixes, but this is a much better example of 'dancefloor' EM. I hope
that doesn't sound derrogatory. (Sorry Dave).
This album is a limited edition CDR available from SMD.
Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene 7-13
This is fantastic. I loved Jarre's Oxygene, Equinoxe, and Magnetic Fields,
but by the time of Waiting for Cousteau I was thoroughly bored. I couldn't
resist buying this album though, nor going to see him at Manchester Nynex
Arena. When I listen to the original Oxygene album, although groundbreaking
at the time, it does sound dated and 'seventies' to me now. Oxygene 7-13
brings the thoughts and ideas from the original album, and brings it right
up into the 90's. The great thing is though, that he uses all the old
analogue instrumentation again giving it a great organic feel which you just
can't get with modern synths (unless you are a superhuman with time on your
hands).
Tangerine Dream - Ambient Monkeys
This has a very divided opinion on the list, and indeed it's an album you
either love or hate thouroughly. There is no middle ground with this.
Perhaps the reason I like this so much is that it brings back the memories
of sitting, brimming with excitement in Manchester waiting for TD to come
onstage. This album always conjures up those images, so maybe that's it.
Maybe it would be a different matter had I not been at the concert. Indeed,
the music is nothing new. Nor is the idea behind the album. I think I'll
give up on this one. I can't explain it, nor can I describe it, so you'll
just have to hear it for yourselves and make your own choices.
5 other favourite purchases of 1997
Tangerine Dream - Tangents
AirSculpture - Attrition System
Paul Haslinger - World Without Rules
Steve Jolliffe - Zanzi
Tangerine Dream - Underwater Sunlight (Remastered on CD)
Lawry
PS - Sorry for the long (for me) post. Any takers?
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
Matt,
Due to some bad editing, it looked like I was advocating this 99% rule that
Shreeve spouted, whilst in fact I was on the oposite side of the fence.
Check the chevrons. :-)
Dave,
Seems I feel foul of urban myth on the Tubular Bells thing. :-( Ok, so
it's not EM, but my point was that it is one of the best selling albums
ever, and (as I thought at the time) was recorded at home by Mike Oldfield.
Right, so my point remained unmade, my facts were wrong, I look stupid, I'll
shut up now. :-)
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Really-From: 'Archie Patterson'
Is it me, or is charging $6.00+ for postal and shipping charges for
two CDs from a US company to a US customer f**king ridiculous? I would
like to give my patronage to the independent music purveyor, but enough
is enough with the postage bullshit! :( :( :(
-- Steven Feldman
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From: 'Archie Patterson'
To: 'Steven Feldman'
Subject: Re: Can You Put These on Hold (if you still have them)?
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:03:45 -0800
See below
A. Patterson / EUROCK
P.O.B. 13718
Portland, OR USA
http://www.eurock.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Feldman
To: Eurock
Date: Sunday, February 08, 1998 5:19 PM
Subject: Can You Put These on Hold (if you still have them)?
>Hi,
> I just received a copy of your 1/98 catalog in the mail and I am
>interested in the following six CDs:
>
> BARGIN BIN (Items are VERY LTD. in Quantity.)
> ----------
> Peter Schaefer: THE WORLD OF FOL (CD $10) I have this one for you
>
> ODDS & SODS (1 Copy of Each Title in Stock Only.)
> -----------
> Peter Schaefer: THE MYNAH (CD $15) Sold Out
> Roedelius: FORTRESS OF LOVE (CD $10) Sold Out
> Roedelius: VARIETY OF MOODS (CD $10) Sold Out
> Roedelius: CUANDO...ADONDE (CD $10) Sold Out
> Roedelius: DER OHREN SPIEGEL (CD $10) I have this one for you
I have 2 CDs from your list only, the others are sold out. I will hold them
for you.
> It's really the Roedelius CDs that I am interested in. If you
>have any or all of them, please place them on hold and tell me which
>you still have left.
> Also, I find your order form really confusing. It says 'Packing
>and Handling Charges $2.00 on all orders,' then says '1 CD $2.00 for
>Shipping,' and then says $2.00 for insurance'!?! That can't possibly
>be right, because if it were, that would create a mailing charge total
>of $6.00 for just one CD (and $8.00 for two CDs!)!
Post is $2 Packing and Handeling per order period - 1, 2, 3, 4 items is $2.
Post is $2 for 1 CD, $4 for 2, 3, 4, 5, CDs up to $100, then it is free.
Postal insurance is $2. I don't think anyone wants to loose out if the PO
looses a package right?
>[. . .] If you'll pardon my French . . . That's f**king ridiculous!
The increasing cost of doing business shipping wise is ridiculous. UPS goes
up every year, even more so this year. The PO just now working on their next
increase. I've not changed my rates in 5+ years. Nothing is getting any
cheaper, except the Bargin Bin CDs.
> Lastly, do you accept personal checks?
Yes. I'll hold the 2 CDs. Confirm the order please so if you change your
mind I can sell them to the next person promptly.
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> I know many of you are already aware of the similarity of 'Twilight
>Brigade' (TURN OF THE TIDES) to the Yes song, 'Shoot High, Aim Low'
>(BIG GENERATOR),
>
Sorry... Don't see it... or hear it...
- jim
'If you could see what I've seen with your eyes...'
-- Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer) Blade Runner, 1982
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Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo
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> Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
Cool; we have two in common:
> Redshift - Redshift
>
> That guy Mark Shreeve does it again. This time with a totally new
> direction, hence the lack of the Mark Shreeve name on anything other than
> the composer credit on the inside of the sleeve. Lots has already been
said
> about this release already, so I don't feel I need to go into detail
here.
> Other than to say fans of Phaedra/Rubycon era TD should definitely check
> this out.
This one took a while to grow on me, but once it morphed into an aural
mold, it was easy to space out and leave it in the CD player on 'repeat
ALL'!
> Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene 7-13
>and ideas from the original album, and brings it right
> up into the 90's. The great thing is though, that he uses all the old
> analogue instrumentation again giving it a great organic feel which you
just
> can't get with modern synths (unless you are a superhuman with time on
your
> hands).
'Organic' is indeed the key word....much warmth generated by JMJ's choice
of beautiful voices...
> Tangerine Dream - Ambient Monkeys
I don't have this, nor the others, but here are my remaining five EM
releases:
ERIK NORLANDER Threshold.....analog orgy. He even uses a borrowed Modular
Moog, plus a bevy of 70s vintage and modern 90s digital synths. His list of
instruments is even longer than Shreeve's on the last page of the Nocturne
booklet. Erik sounds like 80s TD on 'No Cross To Carry,' somewhat like
Schulze on 'Trantor Station,' and even Keith you-know-who on 'Neuro
Boogie.' He's assisted by a bassist and drummer, but the keys & synths
reign supreme...
REDJY EMOND Sphere...this guy is a fantastic player, but it falls neither
into the 'Berlin School' nor 'techno/ambient' nor the 'modern TD-esque'
categories. This guy has major chops, and pulls of Vince Di Cola-- or Amin
Bhatia-ish classical runs. He's a great *arranger,* too. A purely 100%
electronic album, with synthesized violins, organs, woodwinds,
harpsichords, etc.
I didn't get this until this year, PAUL NAGLE'S The Live Element is a '97
release, and it kicks ass. It encompasses the rhythmic & melodic, Berlin
School and ambient styles, but in one seamless album culled from two
separate live concerts. Short and long tracks...BEAUTIFUL sounds!!!!
Everyone needs this :-)
E-Man
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> Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
>
> > I know many of you are already aware of the similarity of 'Twilight
> >Brigade' (TURN OF THE TIDES) to the Yes song, 'Shoot High, Aim Low'
> >(BIG GENERATOR),
> >
>
> Sorry... Don't see it... or hear it...
Me, neither. Did you hear about Harrison and Blade Runner II, Jim? :-)
E-Man
np: Nominal Gain, 'Hydraulic Spectre'
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Subject: Re: D:Schulze/History
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Really-From: Vic Rek
Jeffrey inquired about this 'History' Klaus Schulze promo release.
It is basically a sampler of his works from the 70-80's period. Very good
with a cover almost identical to En=Trance. Here is the track listing:
1. Mindphaser
2. Georg Traki
3. Freeze
4. The Looper Isn't a Trooper
5. On the Edge
6. Memory
7. Dreams
8. Wahnfried 1883
9. Weird Caravan
10. Sebastian im Traum
11. Fm Delight
My source, which if I can recall correctly (but don't hold me to it) is
Mario from Manikin records. So I'll stick with 800 copies as the official
release unless proven otherwise, (maybe a challenge for KDM?). But I doubt
you'll ever find this (cheap), because the Klaus collectors never part with
their rarities :-) Same goes for the original 'Inter*face' CD release, it's
like the counterpart of TD's 'The Man Inside'.
Vic
NP: Tangerine Dream - Catch Me if You Can
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Subject: Re: More Electronic Orgies!
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At 09:31 PM 2/9/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>>Really-From: DJS
>>
>>Woo Hoo! Well, I have at last a few more copies of Orgies if anyone
>>needs any or didn't get one.
>
>Wot ? If anyone needs any ?
>Every serious TD collector must have it,
>I´m not aware of any better release in that vein.
>
>Buy them now before they are all gone !
>
>Trust me, you won´t believe how excellent that set is,
>even the cover is tasty. ;-)
Everyone should get this 4 disc set. This is TD's best album of the 1990's!
=)
Morgan
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Subject: THE LAST WAVE is on IFC This Month
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THE LAST WAVE is on IFC (the Independent Film Channel) this month,
it turns out. The film's running time is 106 minutes and it is scheduled
to run nine times in February. The playdates are:
February 8th: 12 noon and 6pm
February 9th: 8:45am
February 17th: 10:00pm
February 18th: 12:15pm and 6pm
February 27th: 12:15pm and 6pm
February 28th: 8:00am
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Re: NO TD: Nyquil
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 12:55 PM 2/9/1998 +0000, you wrote:
>[.......]
>could any of the American list members explain to me what
>'Nyquil' is?
[......]
>some sort of medicine sold in the US, but what precisely is
>it, and what has it got to do with driving?
>
>If someone could contact me off-list and clarify...?
Just in case other non-Americans have the same question...
Nyquil is a medicine taken mostly when you have a cold (grippe). It
contains a decongestant, an anti-tussive (anti-cough), a pain killer
(acetaminophen), and an antihistamine and the net result is a rather
soporific concoction (has a tendency to make you sleepy). The name
suggests (for advertising purposes) a quiet night's sleep (Ny=probably for
night; Quill=probably for quiet (stops your cough).
Andrew
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Hey, I actually have something to contribute
> >KLAUS SCHULZE (Related):
>
> >Stomu Yamashta: Go Live From Paris (w/K. Schulze) - Germany Island 26125
> >XBT, 2 LPs, foldout, 6/12/76
> >Stomu Yamashtas GO: GO Live (bootleg w/K. Schulze) - Germany Kiss No. 12,
> >Europe/Paris, 1976
> The predecessor to the Richard Wahnfried stuff. Supposed to be OK.
>
> >Stomu Yamashta: Go Too (w/K. Schulze) - US One Way OW 26785, 1977
> Set yourself on fire instead. It's more enjoyable.
The first album was called 'Go' and actually contains more synthesizer than
than the others. Other than a lame song by Steve Winwood, its a pretty good
album. 'Go Too' is more of a Soul/Funk record while 'Go Live From Paris' is
live recording combining music from both albums. Stomu Yamashita is an
interesting EM artist in his own right, but very difficult to find in the US.
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Date: Tue Feb 10, 1998 5:37
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> Really-From: 'Archie Patterson'
>
> Is it me, or is charging $6.00+ for postal and shipping charges for
> two CDs from a US company to a US customer f**king ridiculous? I would
> like to give my patronage to the independent music purveyor, but enough
> is enough with the postage bullshit! :( :( :(
>
> -- Steven Feldman
>
You are indeed getting ripped...unless he's sending them 3-day or 2-day
UPS. Cost for US priority from state to state is $3.00.....then add for
packing supplies...which is no more than a dollar tops. But, why fuss
over a couple of dollars heh heh.
Regards,
Dan
np: Serpent & The Rainbow (Fiedel) ...and yes...this CD really IS worth
$400. I sold one just a month ago. Pathetic yes?
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Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey)
On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 00:55:16 -0800, you wrote:
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>'TONS of sentences cut about Klaus written by captain Mike Livsey...the
>crazed Klaus fan'
>
>wait...was that it I just read? Heh heh, I hope there was some cut &
>paste action there dude cuz that was the longest message I've EVER seen
>posted anywhere! Yeeehahahaha!! Heck, I couldn't write that much about
>one of my favorite subjects: SEX! Kidding aside, I commend you on that
>essay dude. You are one crazed Klaus fan....and NO...I'm not related to
>Klaus...that there's a 't' at the end of my name...before the 'e' heh
>heh, you know, as in Emerson Lake & Palmer, nEtherlands, Elana...heh
>heh...you get the idea.
I wrote a 168 page report Saturday/Sunday (39 hour day) and did a 20
minute brain dump on KS at the end of the day since I was on a roll.
No cutting and pasting, I'm afraid. Just raw energy like one of
Schulze's minimoog solos...
Maybe, when I wake up tomorrow, I'll read what I said and see if it
made any sense.
Regards.
> Anyway Mike, how many Klaus albums are actually out there & how many
>do you own? Just curious....& who owns more...you or Vic?
>
Vic has more. I'm not a completist! ;-)
>Regards,
>
>Dano the non z guy
>
>
> _, .~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> _.-{__}-._ | Hey Elana..I want some cheezie poofs too! |
> .:-'`____`'-:. | |
> /_.-'`_ _`'-._\ \ /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> /` / .\/. \ `\ \/
> | \__/\__/ | /
> .-\ /-.
>/ '._-.__!--!__.-_.' \
>/`'. `''''''''` .'`\
>| | ' | |
> `--------------------`
_, .~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~.
_.-{__}-._ | I'm not fat, I'm big boned! |
.:-'`____`'-:. | |
/_.-'`_ _`'-._\ \ /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
/` / .\/. \ `\ \/
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/`'. `''''''''` .'`\ Courtice, Ontario
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Perhaps you should tell them that Nyquil is also almost 40% Alcohol. Drink a
whole bottle and you won't care if you're sick....David
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> Really-From: DAVENTURA@a...
>
> Perhaps you should tell them that Nyquil is also almost 40% Alcohol.
Drink a
> whole bottle and you won't care if you're sick....David
That's why I use it :-)
E-Man
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Date: Tue Feb 10, 1998 10:11
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Subject: Electronic Orgy
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Hi !
Just a question: Where can I get a copy of 'Electronic Orgy' ?
Please !
Thank you !
Rainer Rutka
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Subject: Day of the Dead/ATTN Conrad Gibbons
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Really-From: sypower@o...
Two things:
Someone recently put 'Day of the Dead' in their np: <> slot. Was this
referring to the soundtrack of the zombie flick? It was composed by
one John Harrison, I believe. Whoever it was, PLEASE would you
post details of where I can get hold of this soundtrack. It's by a
million miles the best synthesiser rock score I've heard - especially the
opening sequence. It completely blows TD's scores out of the water and
I've been trying, with no luck, to track it down for ages.
CONRAD GIBBONS: I've been receiving your e-mails and replying, but
the replies don't seem to be getting through. Send me a tape list and we
can do a trade!
Glynn
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I have had trouble getting through to Conrad too. Mails just seem to get
bounced back or don't get there at all.
It has happened again recently so i just want to let you know Conrad
that your discs are in today's post.
--
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> Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
> Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene 7-13
>
> This is fantastic. I loved Jarre's Oxygene, Equinoxe, and Magnetic Fields,
>
Agree there..Not bad gig either! (Never been to the Nynex before!)
> Tangerine Dream - Ambient Monkeys
>
> This has a very divided opinion on the list, and indeed it's an album you
>
Haven't heard this yet..still waiting for the official release..
> 5 other favourite purchases of 1997
>
I think mine would have to be:
IQ-Subterranea
Tangerine Dream-White Eagle
Tangerine Dream-Exit
Pendragon-The Masquarade Overature
The Strawbs-Halycon Days
Colin
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tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'GIBONE, Philippe'
> > You should listen to 'PORTRAITS'
> > What is this??
> A double Album By KC with musical portraits : if you've liked
> TimeWind you'll love this one.
> Philippe
I'm still confused. Is this a double LP compilation of some sort? Which
country was is issued in? Track listing? Thanks!
Also, it couldn't be more appropriate to receive the latest issue of
Beyond the Horizon yesterday. Wow, it is packed with Klaus Schulze
information, even Conrad Schnitzler. A quick glance shows it to be
worth the wait (well almost - we need them more often). I'm very
pleased that THE KS INNER CIRCLE is now included in this publication! I
guess that really drives home the point the BtH is NOT a TD publication
anymore, even though most subscribers are TD fans I'd say.
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> tadream mailing list wrote:
> > Really-From: 'GIBONE, Philippe'
> > > You should listen to 'PORTRAITS'
> > > What is this??
> > A double Album By KC with musical portraits : if you've
> liked
> > TimeWind you'll love this one.
> > Philippe
>
> I'm still confused. Is this a double LP compilation of some sort?
> Which
> country was is issued in? Track listing? Thanks!
>
[GIBONE, Philippe] Well, the problem is that i'm no longer
living in France, but in Africa, and i did'nt bring the LP's with me, as
far as i remember this was a German release (inside leaf in german, that
i don't understand).
Philippe
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Hey Dreamers, found this bitchin new (maybe not new to you) Website.
It's the Internet Movie Database....www.imdb.com....Found some TD soundtracks here that possibly nobody has heard of, but then again, you guys know everything. Plan on spending a few hours here exploring. Some fantastic
information. Just thought I'd let you all know....David
The Internet Movie Database
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> Quoted From: Gabe Yedid
>
>
> While we're on the subject, can anybody here figure out the chord
> cycle that underlies 'Mothers of Rain'?
>
I sat down at the keys for a few minutes last night, and this is what I got:
(quick and dirty! :-) )
C min, Ab maj 7, Eb maj, F min (or play C min over an F).
That's it! It may not be exact, with all the little voicing variations
they play, but it's the basic idea. It's a good place to start. Enjoy!
BTW, did anyone here notice that Cat Scan uses the same progression for
its main part?? Just wondering.
Dave B.
(eagerly awaiting the Orgy that is to come! :-) )
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In a message dated 98-02-10 09:43:50 EST, you write:
<< Also, it couldn't be more appropriate to receive the latest issue of
Beyond the Horizon yesterday. Wow, it is packed with Klaus Schulze
information, even Conrad Schnitzler. A quick glance shows it to be
worth the wait (well almost - we need them more often). I'm very
pleased that THE KS INNER CIRCLE is now included in this publication! I
guess that really drives home the point the BtH is NOT a TD publication
anymore, even though most subscribers are TD fans I'd say.
>>
yes...a good issue indeed...though, im not too thrilled about 6 pages of kdm
babble, even if some of the info is very interesting...
tom w
np: jefferson airplane - san francisco 1966
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>
>Also, it couldn't be more appropriate to receive the latest issue of
>Beyond the Horizon yesterday. Wow, it is packed with Klaus Schulze
>information, even Conrad Schnitzler. A quick glance shows it to be
>worth the wait (well almost - we need them more often). I'm very
>pleased that THE KS INNER CIRCLE is now included in this publication!
>
Yes, a very fat issue with lots of good information. I particularly
like the album reviews, and the artist news section (with side bars
showing the album covers and track lists).
I'm very curious to know more about the Infinite Horizons double-CD
advertised in the issue. Even more curious about the Steve Thomas cave
diving music CD advertised with an insert. After looking at his web
page, which includes wonderful photos and album reviews, I think I'll
order this CD entitled More People Have Been to the Moon . . .
Roger
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On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Dave Brewer
>
> > Quoted From: Gabe Yedid
> >
> >
> > While we're on the subject, can anybody here figure out the chord
> > cycle that underlies 'Mothers of Rain'?
> >
> I sat down at the keys for a few minutes last night, and this is what I got:
> (quick and dirty! :-) )
> C min, Ab maj 7, Eb maj, F min (or play C min over an F).
>
> That's it! It may not be exact, with all the little voicing variations
> they play, but it's the basic idea. It's a good place to start. Enjoy!
Thanks Dave!
> BTW, did anyone here notice that Cat Scan uses the same progression for
> its main part?? Just wondering.
It's true it does, but in this case it's arguable whether or not a chord
progression a piece makes. 'Cat Scan' is far less effective a piece (at
the very least, for me, on an emotional level) than 'Mothers of Rain', IMO.
> Dave B.
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> Two things:
>
> Someone recently put 'Day of the Dead' in their np: <> slot. Was this
> referring to the soundtrack of the zombie flick? It was composed by
> one John Harrison, I believe. Whoever it was, PLEASE would you
> post details of where I can get hold of this soundtrack. It's by a
> million miles the best synthesiser rock score I've heard - especially the
> opening sequence. It completely blows TD's scores out of the water and
> I've been trying, with no luck, to track it down for ages.
Heh heh, I wouldn't say the opening score blows TD out of the water but
it is a great OST. It definately beats anything TD has done in the last
6 years. Did I say 6? I meant ten...doh!
Dano
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At 09:16 PM 2/9/98 -0600, you wrote:
and the net result is a rather
>soporific concoction (has a tendency to make you sleepy).
Ah..c'mon, Andrew, tell it like it is!! Nyquil is a perfect medium for
basteing your brain. It's THE thing for those folks in Alcoholics
Anonymous--'have I been drinking? No, I've got a cold'.;-)
Mike
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At 03:54 PM 2/9/98 -0700, you wrote:
>The Alternative (music) life style in itself is important that we
>all don't lose our personal identities and socialness
>as a people.
Sorry to butt in, but what a load of crap! It was a load when I was a hippy
guy and it's a load now! Sorry. Frank Zappa said it all: 'we're all wearing
uniforms, don't kid yourself, buck-o'! (In response to a heckler at a
concert I was at)
Mike
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> Really-From: Michael Fox
>
> >The Alternative (music) life style in itself is important that we
> >all don't lose our personal identities and socialness
> >as a people.
>
> Sorry to butt in, but what a load of crap! It was a load when I was a
hippy
> guy and it's a load now! Sorry. Frank Zappa said it all: 'we're all
wearing
> uniforms, don't kid yourself, buck-o'! (In response to a heckler at a
> concert I was at)
SHEIK YERBOUTI is sheer excellence. 'Broken hearts are for a******s!'
E-Man
np: VINCE Di COLA, [tearing up the ivories on the] 'Til All Are One' (aka
Transformers) OST
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> Really-From: Michael Fox
>
>
> At 03:54 PM 2/9/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >The Alternative (music) life style in itself is important that we
> >all don't lose our personal identities and socialness
> >as a people.
>
> Sorry to butt in, but what a load of crap! It was a load when I was a
hippy
> guy and it's a load now! Sorry. Frank Zappa said it all: 'we're all
wearing
> uniforms, don't kid yourself, buck-o'! (In response to a heckler at a
> concert I was at)
>
> Mike
Maybe I've been getting too much of the Kraftwerk list.. they certainally
like
the robot motifs.. Someone even writes like a robot... kind of like the
'uniforms'
you mentioned... Yet it is a celebration that we all are different, and
have our
own abilities and fall backs. Forcing a person into a mold will bring a
rebellion. The music in itself is an expression of the writers feelings
that
tend to be more emotional to society thansay, what Kraftwerk would write.
My personal preference is that I don't like Alternative music, but I can
see
it's positiveness in society.
I am a person who dosn't follow trendy culture--does that mean I have no
culture? Does liking TD make me a desendant of the hippy generation? How
come I only wear unprinted neutral colored clothing? German Minimalism?
Does music really have that high of an impact in life?
Would it not be a sad world if everyone became organic robots sitting at
machines with plugs in our heads with the sole reason of trading thoughts
and information?
'Wait Bob, I'm downloading the information to you from my brain.'
heehee
Greg H.
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: sypower@o...
>
>
> TD's new favourite key (from 1992) is D minor (or D natural minor/Aeolian D
> if
> you want to be pederastic...oops, pedantic) Touchwood , Two Bunch Palms,
> Oriental
> Haze, Firetongues, ad infinitum
>
> Glynn
I'll play devil's advocate (or is it shit-disturber) here...
is there the implication that this is an indicator of the decline in TD's
quality?
Gabe
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On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 06:05:39 GMT, you wrote:
>Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey)
>Now, time to hide in my bunker while any responses are made. Bash
>Schulze, bash KDM, bash TD, bash me, whatever.
>
[Self-flaming]. What a rambling pile of sh*t! It's a good thing my
consulting reports pay the bills, not my reviews...
Regards.
--
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The courage to change the things I can and
The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really
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Howdy All,
Well, I got a copy of the syndicated TV version of THE KEEP in the
mail the other day, and can report that there are some small differences
in what was shown on TV the night my source recorded the film.
1) COMMERCIAL VIDEO, LASERDISK, AND PREMIUM CABLE VERSION:
Right after our boy Molasar escapes in smoke form and kills the two
silver-prospecting soldiers, we see various soldiers fire shots in the
air. Cut to a medium long shot of Woermann (Jeurgen Prochnow) that goes
briefly to slo-mo, then freezes. Cut to close-up shot of energy plasma
issuing from the hole that had created when the two soldiers removed the
block with the faux silver cross on it. Cut to CU (close-up) of blue
glowing eyes, which are revealed to be those of Glaeken (Scott Glenn) in
the following CU of his face.
1) SYNDICATED TV VERSION WITH FLOATING GLAEKEN SEQUENCE:
Right after the MCU (Medium Close-Up) of Woermann that goes to slo-
mo, then freezes, there is a cut to the CU of Glaeken's glowing eyes.
This means that the shot of the outpouring energy plasma has been cut
from this version.
2) COMMERCIAL VIDEO, LASERDISK, AND PREMIUM CABLE VERSION:
After Glaeken boards a boat in Greece and sails to the shores near
Romania, there are a number of scenes showing Glaeken driving a motor-
cycle through a wooden pathway, intercut by sequences of Dr. Theodore
Cuza (Ian McKellen) arriving at the keep with his daughter, Eva (Alberta
Watson), the attempted rape on Eva's person, Dr. Cuza's rejuvination,
and Eva's 'banishment' from the keep to the village inn. The final
scenes of Glaeken on his cycle occur when he encounters the Romanian
border guards and mesmerizes them when they attempt to pressure him into
opening the packaged box he is carrying. Soon afterward, Eva is shown
to her room, and Glaeken is there.
2) SYNDICATED TV VERSION WITH FLOATING GLAEKEN SEQUENCE:
After the boat sequence, there are only two (contiguous) shots of
Glaeken on his cycle: side-view in long shot, then a Medium Close-Up of
Glaeken on the bike facing towards the viewer. This means that the
confrontation with the border guards has been entirely excised.
3) COMMERCIAL VIDEO, LASERDISK, AND PREMIUM CABLE VERSION:
Molasar vanquishes Eva's two would-be rapists, then carries her in
to see Dr. Cuza. Molasar says, 'I need an ally--but you *collaborate*
with them!!!'
3) SYNDICATED TV VERSION WITH FLOATING GLAEKEN SEQUENCE:
Molasar says only, 'You *collaborate* with them!!!' This means that
Molasar's need of a human surrogate to remove the talisman from the keep
is never specifically articulated in this version.
4) COMMERCIAL VIDEO, LASERDISK, AND PREMIUM CABLE VERSION:
When Dr. Cuza removes the talisman from the square hole at the
bottom of the keep, there is no music, only the sound of hissing--as of
smoke.
4) SYNDICATED TV VERSION WITH FLOATING GLAEKEN SEQUENCE:
When Dr. Cuza removes the talisman from the square hole at the
bottom of the keep, there is some creepy background music accompanying
the hissing, and there is a sound-effect of sorts when the talisman is
removed.
5) COMMERCIAL VIDEO, LASERDISK, AND PREMIUM CABLE VERSION:
After Glaeken zaps the puss out of Molasar, and Glaeken is sucked
into the hole from which Molasar escaped, there is a cut to Eva with an
anguished look on her face. The frame freezes and the credits start to
roll.
5) SYNDICATED TV VERSION WITH FLOATING GLAEKEN SEQUENCE:
After Glaeken zaps the puss out of Molasar, and Glaeken is sucked
into the hole from which Molasar escaped, there is a cut to Eva with an
anguished look on her face and she can be heard screaming twice under
the loud music. Cut to a Medium Long-Shot of Glaeken turning slowly in
mid-air: floating in the dark, then to MCUs of his face turning in the
camera's view. Cut to a lengthy long shot of Dr. Cuza moving away with
the villagers from the bridge of the keep, towards the village. Cut to
Eva wending her way through the bowels of the keep. One is an overhead
shot of her traversing an open section of sand upon which can be seen
the pattern of a Zorro-like 'Z.' Finally, Eva goes past the pillars
(energy pylons), and we see a MCU of Glaeken lying on the floor of the
keep with a greenish glow mottled upon parts of his shirt, arranged in a
similar manner to when he had been shot. There is smoke swirling about.
About a foot above the ground, there is a green laser light slicing
through the smoke (just to look cool, I think). Eve reaches down and
turns Glaeken over. He gasps and awakens. Cut to an upside-down image
of Glaeken coming into the viewers vision. There is a ripple in the
image and we become aware that the image is a reflection in water. Eva
comes into the image and shares it with Glaeken. They are both shown to
be upside-down. The credits roll.
I suspect that this long ending was not shot by Michael Mann but by
someone else, at the studio's behest. I say this because the lengthy
shot of Dr. Cuza and Father Fonescu and the rest of the villagers moving
away in long shot is fuzzy and visually uncompelling--unlike virtually
every other shot in the entire film.
It could be that the long end version of the keep that *I* saw on
syndicated TV, wherein Glaeken carries the dead Molasar in his arms
down into the keep, wasn't shot be Mann, either, as there was nothing
memorable about it other than the fact that the viewer gets to stare at
the horror set piece's monster a little more.
I still have one big complaint: where the heck did the wate come
from? There are never shown to be any pools of water within the keep.
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On Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:15:54 -0500, you wrote:
>Just a couple of comments re: Mike Livsey's herculean attempt to review
>KS's discography in one (!) email message:
I shouldn't post when I'm busy dancing on the couch with a lamp shade
on my head; the spelling/grammatical errors made me puke! Oh well, not
bad for a single pass write-only dump (rumour has it, I lost two
fingers in the process...).
>Problem for me is, my first exposure to Arthur Brown was his wonderfully
>wacky 'The Crazy World of Arthur Brown' album of... 1969? (Yikes!)
>Without fail, everytime I hear his very distinctive voice I recall a
>song from this album entitled, 'The Great Spontaneous Apple Creation!'
>A delightful bit of inspired psychedelic nuttiness. I just can't take him
>seriously after that. ;-)
Anyone who knows 'Fire' Brown's vocal capabilities (and his hair
tricks) would realize that he was completely wasted on KS's releases.
I mean his talents, not the man!
I think. ;-)
I don't blame KS for this as I don't know what Brown was into at the
time; I'm just surprised that they didn't do something wacky like, uh,
Aphrica.
I can't believe I just said that!
Time to squat on a chainsaw and pull the ripcord as punishment...
Regards.
--
Mike Livsey
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Grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change,
The courage to change the things I can and
The wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they really
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>one of the best posts ive read on this list to date...thanks for all the
>info...not much i can add xcept to say that the guy cares about his fans....
>
Yes, I do.
Thank you, thank you very much!
Oh, you were referring to KS. <;-)
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GoldTri Vol. 1 - Various Artists.
This will be a limited edition 2CD set of 500 copies featuring music by
members of the GoldTri mailing list.
It will be a proper CD pressing, not a CDR.
We are aiming to release the CD to coincide with the forthcoming Alfa
Centauri Festival in Huizen on 21st March.
Copies will be available on the day from both the FSP and the Sequences
stalls.
For further details please see:
http://www.ratfink.demon.co.uk/stonker
Feast your eyes on these names ...
Asana
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Ash Prema
T-Bass UK
... and many more
All of the above artists have agreed to contribute to the compilation,
many of them providing exclusive tracks which will not be released
elsewhere.
Price for each CD is 8 UKP plus postage and packing as detailed on the
website
If you have any questions or you would like to order a CD, or CDs, then
email me directly.
For those of you without web access I'll be happy to give you the postage
prices by return.
When emailing me can you please include the following information:
1. Your Name
2. Your Full postal address
3. Are you going to Alfa-Centauri this year?
The reasoning behind question 3 is simple, if you're going to be there I'll
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Firstly, thanks to the kindly souls who answered my cry for help regarding
this 'Outlook' e-mailer - this message will be the proof of the pudding as
to whether I have succeeded in adopting your suggestions!!
Secondly, Redshifts new album 'Ether' is now soon to go into
production.....start saving your coins....... after the sell out of the
original album - this is prior warning NOT TO BE LEFT SHORT!!!
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At 01:26 PM 2/10/1998, Mike wrote:
>
>Ah..c'mon, Andrew, tell it like it is!! Nyquil is a perfect medium for
>basteing your brain. It's THE thing for those folks in Alcoholics
>Anonymous--'have I been drinking? No, I've got a cold'.;-)
Personally....never touch the stuff....to a Hungarian, if you shake it and
it makes bubbles it ain't fit to drink. Supposedly, pure alcohol doesn't
make air bubbles. But what do I know? This is stricly hearsay. :-))
A bit of TD theme, here. Being a child of the 60s (as my in-laws call me) I
'heard' that a proper listen to much e-music is chemically enhanced. Since
I get high on TD, without additional 'help,' I often wondered whether other
TD fans feel the same way.
I did wear my tie-died shirt at a recent Santana concert, tho'.
Andrew
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In a message dated 98-02-10 18:02:47 EST, you write:
<< Oh, you were referring to KS. <;-) >>
not only...
tom w
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I didn't get any posts today. Thought maybe this thing is out of order. Just
checking, must be a slow day...David
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dell
I don't have your e-mail, could you please contact me off-list?
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On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: DJS
>
>
> > a stronger work ethic and performance standard in its players, even if
> > they don't play in that genre. Sure, you can overlook a flub by Tesh,
> > because...well, he's Tesh ;). Would you be so willing to overlook it if
> > it was made by somebody as technically adept as Paul Haslinger? Would
> > Haslinger go into a performance with the same mindset as Tesh? I think not.
>
> Err....I have to say that Tesh is a little more adept at piano than
> Haslinger.
Why don't they challenge each other to a battle of ivory ticklers and
find out?
> Though Tesh has sunk into the 'new age glut swamp' he's a lot
> tighter there days with his keys than when he first emerged in '88 on
> the e-music scene. No offense to Paul but what has he done in the last
> few years compared to mister entertainment tonight? At least John's
> counting Ben Franklins.
This is your criterion for how good a keyboard player somebody is? How
many albums of questionable quality they put out and how much money they
rake in as a result? Just because Paul doesn't show off his keyboard
skills on a regular basis, doesn't mean they're not there. And as a
fully integrated e-music composer, who gets real mileage out of his
equipment, I would say he is VASTLY superior to Tesh in that department.
> IMO, a few bad albums with ethnic ambience &
> soforth I'd say cometh. Into the distance he travels...to join Steve
> Roach on his ethnic journey. What's next? Native australian bamboo reed
> noises? I think so. Heh heh.
I think not. I agree that Paul has gotten maybe a bit too far into the
dark/ethnic/ambient bit, but I think there will always be a place for a
hard edge in his stuff. Can you picture anything like 'Monkey Brain
Sushi' from Tesh? Not I...I'd say it's a pretty safe prediction Tesh
will continue to be Yanni's main competitor on the adult
contemporary-neo-Mantovani-romantic-cheese scene for the next little while.
> Dano
Gabe
Einstein: God does not play dice with the Universe.
Me: Darn straight he doesn't, he spins dreidels!
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On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Dave Brewer
>
>
> > Quoted From: Gabe Yedid
> >
> >
> > While we're on the subject, can anybody here figure out the chord
> > cycle that underlies 'Mothers of Rain'?
> C min, Ab maj 7, Eb maj, F min (or play C min over an F).
Hold on...isn't there a 5th chord at the end of that...?
Gabe
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Can't believe we are even discussing this. John Tesh was a better ET reporter,
than he'll ever be as a musician. The only thing even remotely interesting
about Tesh is, how did he get such a fine wife. But as far as Haslinger is
concerned.. ...What has he done for me lately?....David
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I like the occaisional fun and silliness on the list, but AA jokes are not
at all funny...
Graf Z, are you still out there???
NP: Tubular Bells 2 Is TB3 really as bad as I've heard???
MJ
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> Quoted From: Gabe Yedid
>
> > > While we're on the subject, can anybody here figure out the chord
> > > cycle that underlies 'Mothers of Rain'?
>
> > C min, Ab maj 7, Eb maj, F min (or play C min over an F).
>
> Hold on...isn't there a 5th chord at the end of that...?
>
Nope. That F minor is played twice as long as the other chords with a
change in voicing (or inversion or whatever) halfway through. Have you
tried it yet? Trust me. :-)
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I assume you are refering to the screwed-up Serenity Prayer that somebody
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Subject: RE: Don't Like DREAM MIXES Nor OASIS? Get Off This List!
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Really-From: 'GIBONE, Philippe'
Hi Marcel
So you are Marcel, bur not Celmar
In fact, after verification, your clone's exact name is Marcel ENGEL,
but in french we don't pronounce the final s (you can see it, but you
don't hear ir), so my mistake (sorry !)
But if you want to know a little bit more about him anyway,
Marcel Engel is a musician specialized in synth programming, what he
does for many groups in France ; his brother Claude Engel is a famous
Guitar player whose greatest performances were done while he was playing
with a group named MAGMA (70's to 80's). This group is not EM, but is
worth an ear or two, they belong to the Jazz-Rock stream, but with a
very peculiar feeling : all the lyrics are written in Kobaïan wich is a
language invented by the group. The greatest hits are
UDU WUDU (don't even look for a meaning)
MECHANIC DESTRUKTIV COMMANDO
TRISTAN & ISOLDE (OST)
Hope you will have the ability to listen to MAGMA : it's great.
Philippe
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> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
>
> >Really-From: 'GIBONE, Philippe'
> >
> > Is that really you Marcel Engels (Celmar quoi !)
>
>
> Yep, it's Marcel Engels allright. But I think you're refering
> to another Marcel Engels.
> Great another Marcel Engels! I always knew I had a clone
> somewhere. He finally appeared.
> It's also strange that both he and me are 'busy' with music.
> I'd love to know more about this Marcel.
>
> Question: Does anybody on this list also have 'clones' or
> someone 'wearing' the same name?
> I guess this is something for another mailing list.
>
> Marcel (the dutch one)
> Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
> Email :fsp@w...
> (I feel he's part of the family already!)
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On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Dave Brewer
> > > C min, Ab maj 7, Eb maj, F min (or play C min over an F).
> >
> > Hold on...isn't there a 5th chord at the end of that...?
> >
> Nope. That F minor is played twice as long as the other chords with a
> change in voicing (or inversion or whatever) halfway through. Have you
> tried it yet? Trust me. :-)
>
> Dave B.
It's kinda hard when you don't have a keyboard handy and/or at home...
and I can only get up to 2 tones at a time out of my bass clarinet...
Gabe
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Subject: IRC Chat with Vangelis Biographer
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Well, it's a new year and time The Artist Shop to get back into IRC Chats.
Our first for 1998 is a chat with Mark Griffin, the author of the biography,
Vangelis - The Unknown Man. This chat will be held at 4pm EST on Sunday,
February 22. Vangelis is one of the most creative musicians of our time.
Mark Griffin has documented his life from early childhood and his part in
such bands as Forminx and Aphrodite's Child to his extremely successful solo
career, his partnership with Jon Anderson of Yes and his many musical
endeavors that have NEVER been recorded! This special session has been set
for a Sunday afternoon so that our friends in Europe will be able to join
the chat, too. Meet us at the Talk City IRC server on
channel <@Music>. For those of you who are IRC impaired, Talk City also has
a website interface that works beautifully. Just go to
and click 'Chat' in the button bar at the
top of the page. I tested this myself and was able to join a chat through a
Netscape browser. I was even able to do it through a lowly AOL browser!
Full details on this chat are at . To find
out more about the Vangelis biography, go to
.
Gary
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If I spelled it correctly--Graf's old AOL address is kaput.
Mike
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At 09:14 PM 2/10/98 -0600, you wrote:
>A bit of TD theme, here. Being a child of the 60s (as my in-laws call me) I
>'heard' that a proper listen to much e-music is chemically enhanced. Since
>I get high on TD, without additional 'help,' I often wondered whether other
>TD fans feel the same way.
Those days are long past for me, I'm afraid. Spent a few years with my head
in the clouds. Now, if I want to really get into a piece, it's cold sober
listening..if I want to just let it flow through me, a nice red wine goes
well.
While I will admit that an enhanced mind made for many a wonderful, trippy
experience I would never trade off, I think, for me, it had a lot to do
with the type of music and the times they were. BTW-spent some time in a
commune in 69-70--so, yup, I was there!
>
>I did wear my tie-died shirt at a recent Santana concert, tho'.
Andrew--you just a freakin' RADICAL, man!!!;-)
Mike
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At 10:43 AM 2/11/98 EST, you wrote:
>I assume you are refering to the screwed-up Serenity Prayer that somebody
>lists on all their Emails...Correct?
No, I think it was my little Nyquil/AA jest.
I, too, wonder where Graf went. I'll check and see if he's still on AOL and
report back.
Mike
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Subject: Re: Live Bum Notes--Tesh Vs Haslinger
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> > Though Tesh has sunk into the 'new age glut swamp' he's a lot
> > tighter there days with his keys than when he first emerged in '88 on
> > the e-music scene. No offense to Paul but what has he done in the last
> > few years compared to mister entertainment tonight? At least John's
> > counting Ben Franklins.
>
> This is your criterion for how good a keyboard player somebody is? How
> many albums of questionable quality they put out and how much money they
> rake in as a result?
Of course not...all I'm saying is that I doubt Paul wouldn't want the
money & fame Tesh has garnished the last several years.....and if he
could equal that he would. So basically you are saying that Haslinger is
as good as Tesh but is willing to give up millions just to remain the
'quiet' musician? I don't think so. John's been playing a lot longer
than Paul. I think it shows, IMO.
Just because Paul doesn't show off his keyboard
> skills on a regular basis, doesn't mean they're not there.
Never said he wasn't skilled...just said he never puts anything out that
shows the skill. After all, that IS what matters. What good is skill if
no one sees or hears it?
And as a
> fully integrated e-music composer, who gets real mileage out of his
> equipment, I would say he is VASTLY superior to Tesh in that department.
Hmm, can you explain this? I don't know what you mean.
>
> > IMO, a few bad albums with ethnic ambience &
> > soforth I'd say cometh. Into the distance he travels...to join Steve
> > Roach on his ethnic journey. What's next? Native australian bamboo reed
> > noises? I think so. Heh heh.
>
> I think not. I agree that Paul has gotten maybe a bit too far into the
> dark/ethnic/ambient bit, but I think there will always be a place for a
> hard edge in his stuff. Can you picture anything like 'Monkey Brain
> Sushi' from Tesh? Not I...I'd say it's a pretty safe prediction Tesh
> will continue to be Yanni's main competitor on the adult
> contemporary-neo-Mantovani-romantic-cheese scene for the next little while.
Romantic Cheese? Well, you got me there...BUT...the fact is I'd rather
listen to classical romantic cheese than zimbabwe pan flutes, buzzing
flies and natives chanting next to a campfire & chicken spits. Just my
opinion though...along with millions of others hehe.
Regards,
Dano
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Did a 'who tadream' Graf is still listed: GrafZeigen@a...
Maybe he is being mysterious.
The Shadow
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Geeze Steve (mostly) and others. Can't we keep the 100+ line KEEP
FAQ/comparisons under 1 a month or so?
I can't be the only person who is getting REALLY SICK of the endless
comparisons of this movie & soundtrack versions.
Maybe it's time to add KEEP to my killfile.
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Subject: risking a flamewar.....Haslinger v. Tesh
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Really-From: PENFOLD
Tesh has been playing piano since he was a kid
Paul attended the Vienna Academy of music
IMHO, Paul seems to have a better ear for sound and an experimenter's zeal
Tesh's pulling a Yawnni.....but at least he sounds better
must not rag on Yawnni.....
must not rag on Yawnni.....
must not rag on Yawnni.....
Pete
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'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the
road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
-- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides
on which instruments to take on the road.
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Hi gang/Dave,
Maybe I speak for myself, but I do enjoy these KEEP discussions. Being
as there seem to be so many loose ends, and the fact that the 'official'ST may
never see the light of day(not to mention the vinyl) I print every one of these
letters. I DON'T print or read any of these Tesh letters, Nyquil letters, or
other yuk yuk crap. If you are asking for my two cents here's mine......I will
Keep witing and Keep reading any faqs or otherwise. If it weren't for them I
never would have gotten my Blue Moon cdr or my video of the NBC edit.
=+0 !
Chris
Np-The Warriors ST.......Come out and PLAYYYAAAAH!
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Geeze Steve (mostly) and others. Can't we keep the 100+ line KEEP
FAQ/comparisons under 1 a month or so?
I can't be the only person who is getting REALLY SICK of the endless
comparisons of this movie & soundtrack versions.
Maybe it's time to add KEEP to my killfile.
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Subject: Re: NO TD: Nyquil
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Wasn't it the late Lester Bangs who allegedly chugged a couple of bottles
of cough syrup before a TD concert and commented:
'Tonight I saw God and/or Tangerine Dream.'
Pete
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'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the
road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
-- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides
on which instruments to take on the road.
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
I've come to the conclusion that both Paul and Chris
(include Klaus)
are very much into sound experimentation as was the
early TD. Did TD get definate fame from their first
albums?
As was said, Paul's work is ambient in nature.. and
of course Chris has put out many types of albums..
different exploritive styles.
It isn't like they break away from TD and become mirror
copies. What was important, and this is to Edgar's
credit, is that all these men are now exploring their
own sound teritories--it was done in TD, and it's being
done again by those who were part of TD.
No one has the definitive TD sound in one song.. the
closest an album comes to this is maybe a bootleg
of the '97 concert tour, and even then, you miss out
on so much from the early early, to the sound explorations
with voice (you'll never hear those at a concert!) to the
many many soundtracks...
I will just wait and see what becomes of former TD elites..
:)
Greg H.
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On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: DJS
>
>
> > > Though Tesh has sunk into the 'new age glut swamp' he's a lot
> > > tighter there days with his keys than when he first emerged in '88 on
> > > the e-music scene. No offense to Paul but what has he done in the last
> > > few years compared to mister entertainment tonight? At least John's
> > > counting Ben Franklins.
> >
> > This is your criterion for how good a keyboard player somebody is? How
> > many albums of questionable quality they put out and how much money they
> > rake in as a result?
>
> Of course not...all I'm saying is that I doubt Paul wouldn't want the
> money & fame Tesh has garnished the last several years.....and if he
> could equal that he would. So basically you are saying that Haslinger is
> as good as Tesh but is willing to give up millions just to remain the
> 'quiet' musician? I don't think so. John's been playing a lot longer
> than Paul. I think it shows, IMO.
He may want that kind of money and fame, sure. But if he REALLY did, I
don't see any reason why he wouldn't already be going for it, churning
out album after album that sounds like _Lily_ and _The Man Inside_, or
remaking himself into a yet another Yanni/Tesh clone.
The fact that he apparently shed and
re-formed about half his musical language between _Melrose_ and _World
Without Rules_ (not that I think that was a completely good choice), to me,
speaks volumes about what he wants to do with his career. And it just
happened to be those aspects of his musical language which were more
'americanized' (read: Tesh-like)
> Just because Paul doesn't show off his keyboard
> > skills on a regular basis, doesn't mean they're not there.
>
> Never said he wasn't skilled...just said he never puts anything out that
> shows the skill. After all, that IS what matters. What good is skill if
> no one sees or hears it?
But does he *need* to? I think it's a question of wanting to be judged
more as a composer and sound sculptor than a good technician. Edgar is
no slouch on keys either, but how often does he show THAT off? Once
every twenty years, as of 1977?
> And as a
> > fully integrated e-music composer, who gets real mileage out of his
> > equipment, I would say he is VASTLY superior to Tesh in that department.
>
> Hmm, can you explain this? I don't know what you mean.
In terms of the way he uses his equipment for the purposes it was meant
to be used. They may have equally big rigs and equally impressive
studios, but, as to the amount of that equipment that gets used, the
extent to which it is used, time spent on sound design, and the creativity
that goes into using it and putting together a finished product, Paul wins.
Basically, I would say Paul answers 'how close can I push myself and my
equipment to the limits' far more effectively than Tesh (and maybe even TD
these days).
> Romantic Cheese? Well, you got me there...BUT...the fact is I'd rather
> listen to classical romantic cheese than zimbabwe pan flutes, buzzing
> flies and natives chanting next to a campfire & chicken spits. Just my
> opinion though...along with millions of others hehe.
What can I say, but 'different strokes for different folks'? Paul is
much more of an experimentalist, more post-modern, more 'integrative',IMO,
and it shows through in his music.
Tesh sticks with what he knows best, the straight and narrow, and what he
knows will sell.
> Regards,
> > Dano
Gabe
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
sorry dave but i think this time you should lighten up... **at least the
keep is td related**... not to mention well-researched, informative, and
pertinent...as I think you yourself have said, if you don't want to read
it, just hit the delete key...
lars
(who'd suggest--if this were goldtri--that you need a good thwapping with
rex the trouser trout [or whatever elana's little pet is called] :-)
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Subject: tape tree 1, call for participation
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Dreamers
The first 2 tape trees are now being organized! This is should be the only
on-line announcement for tree 1!
the list of tapes for the first tree is attached below.
!!!all levels of participants are welcome, even if you have nothing to
trade!!!
If you want to participate, please contact tom w. or
myself with the following info:
1) name
2) email address
3) your geographical location (city, state, country -- for organizational
purposes)
4) at what level you want to participate (eg source, digital branch, analog
branch, leaf) what resources you have (eg: a cdr burner--if so, can you do
analog->digital?; DAT cloning; analog dubbing deck or 2 MC decks; or only
digital->analog [ie: CD to MC])
5) can you provide masters, lo-gen tapes, CD/R boots, etc for this tree?
you will need to either provide trade material to your source or will need
to provide sufficient blank tape and an SASE for return of the tapes.
Branch-branch deals should use priority mail postage.
------------------------------------------------------------
Abbreviations and Format:
Month.Day.Year City (Venue) Time (Medium of original source)
Original sources: Au = audience; SB = soundboard; FM, TV = broadcast; Vid.
= Video;
Media (self-explanatory?): MC = cassette tape; LP -= vinyl; CD; CDR; Vid =
video; LD (laser disc)
------------------------------------------------------------
Tree 1 (3 c90s)
--> c90 #1:
.72/.73? Unknown location - live 35 min. (SB) MC
11.29.73 Berlin (Deutschlandhalle, RIAS-FM) 'Deutsch Rock -Music
portraits von der Inlandscene' 45 min. (FM) MC
PLUS:
-->c90 #2:
5.25.73 Les Ponts de Ce 84 min. (Au) MC
PLUS:
--> c90#3:
Rare Trax 1 (CDR)
4.25.72 OST: Geradeaus bis zum Morgen 13 min. (TV) MC
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Subject: tape tree 2, call for participation
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Dreamers
The first 2 tape trees are now being organized! This is should be the only
on-line announcement for tree 2!
the list of tapes for the second tree is attached below.
!!!all levels of participants are welcome, even if you have nothing to
trade!!!
If you want to participate, please contact tom w. or
myself with the following info:
1) name
2) email address
3) your geographical location (city, state, country -- for organizational
purposes)
4) at what level you want to participate (eg source, digital branch, analog
branch, leaf) what resources you have (eg: a cdr burner--if so, can you do
analog->digital?; DAT cloning; analog dubbing deck or 2 MC decks; or only
digital->analog [ie: CD to MC])
5) can you provide masters, lo-gen tapes, CD/R boots, etc for this tree?
you will need to either provide trade material to your source or will need
to provide sufficient blank tape and an SASE for return of the tapes.
Branch-branch deals should use priority mail postage.
------------------------------------------------------------
Abbreviations and Format:
Month.Day.Year City (Venue) Time (Medium of original source)
Original sources: Au = audience; SB = soundboard; FM, TV = broadcast; Vid.
= Video;
Media (self-explanatory?): MC = cassette tape; LP -= vinyl; CD; CDR; Vid =
video; LD (laser disc)
------------------------------------------------------------
Tree 2 (2 c90s + c100):
--> c90 #1:
4.2.75 London (Royal Albert Hall) 115 min. (FM Trans.) CDR
(CAE 1+2)
PLUS:
-->c90 #2
4.2.75 London (Royal Albert Hall) 115 min. (FM Trans.) CDR
(-- part 2)
8.22.74 London (BBC Studios) 'Oedipus Tyrannos' 23 min. (FM) MC
(rebroadcast of Chichester Festival material; dig. proc.)
12.13.74 Rheims (Broadcast Interview & Encore) 17 min. (FM) MC
PLUS:
--> c100 #1
12.13.74 Rheims (Cathedral) 85 min (Au) 2CD
(Live! Improvised!)
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Subject: Re: NO TD: Nyquil
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In a message dated 98-02-11 14:08:34 EST, you write:
<< a nice red wine goes
well. >>
Sorry to be a stickler for details, but alcohol is a drug. The fact that some
people like to enhance their listening pleasure with chemicals is a personal
choice.
I prefer Tangerine Dream lightly baked, if you get my meaning. But I have to
be sober to listen to Tesh....David
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I agree completely. As I remember, I wasn't really that impressed with 'THE
KEEP' in the first place. Prefer 'THIEF' anyday, speaking of the same
director. Or possibly his last film, 'HEAT'. Which by the way has some very
nice music too. The End Title music is very reminiscent of TD.
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In a message dated 98-02-11 15:55:48 EST, you write:
<< and this is to Edgar's
credit, is that all these men are now exploring their
own sound teritories >>
Not another Edgar Worshipper please....
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 02:03 PM 2/11/1998, you wrote:
>While I will admit that an enhanced mind made for many a wonderful, trippy
>experience I would never trade off, I think, for me, it had a lot to do
>with the type of music and the times they were. BTW-spent some time in a
>commune in 69-70--so, yup, I was there!
Which makes you probably as old as I am. I am amzed at the range of ages on
this list. Seems that we grew up with Edgar. Had anyone told me in 1974
(first exposure to TD) that I will really enjoy Time Square, I would have
laughed in their face, But, tonight on the way to and from racquetball, I
really enjoyed it.
>>I did wear my tie-died shirt at a recent Santana concert, tho'.
>
>Andrew--you just a freakin' RADICAL, man!!!;-)
That's me! Radical all the way. Just wish the ties I have to wear were
tie-died too. ;-)
Tell you what, if any of my staff had seen me, I wouldn't ever heard the
end of it. The clouds floating around us contributed significantly to the
experience. I am just glad I didn't win the Gold in snowboarding. ;-)
BTW, while never lived on a commune, I did help built a geodesic dome once.
Does that qualify? :-)
Andrew
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At 12:40 PM 2/11/1998 -0800, Pete (PENFOLD) wrote:
>Wasn't it the late Lester Bangs who allegedly chugged a couple of bottles
>of cough syrup before a TD concert and commented:
>
>'Tonight I saw God and/or Tangerine Dream.'
This is so bloody funny!! :-)))
Is this apocrypha from the TD lore, or did you just make it up?
Either way, it's hilarious.
Andrew
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Tape trees.... ummm..
I'd like to participate in the tape tree & stuf,
but i'mn not sure what it is....
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> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
> sorry dave but i think this time you should lighten up... **at least the
> keep is td related**... not to mention well-researched, informative, and
> pertinent...as I think you yourself have said, if you don't want to read
> it, just hit the delete key...
>
> lars
>
> (who'd suggest--if this were goldtri--that you need a good thwapping with
> rex the trouser trout [or whatever elana's little pet is called] :-)
PLEEEASE!!!!!! Keep the 'fish' garbage off this cool list. Leave that
childish IRC antic to Goldtri. This is only a request of course...feel
free to second this anyone, unless you want this to become a hatchery as
well. ;-)
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Date: Thu Feb 12, 1998 9:44
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Subject: Re: Don't Like DREAM MIXES Nor OASIS? Get Off This List!
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On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:57:26 +0000 (GMT) tadream mailing
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>
> I don't think it's just the nineties where we see this
> influence, though. There are many comparisons between TD's output of the 70s
> and 80s and Pink Floyd, and it is clear that many of the 70s albums are
> influenced by prog-rock of that time (Alpha Centauri and Cyclone being the
most
> obvious examples, IMO).
> [...]
> Similarly, it can't be pure coincidence that as the pop world moved into drum
> machines and synth pop tunes in the early eighties that TD themselves started
> producing shorter, punchier tracks, again following the general trend of
music.
Definitely. I didn't mean to say that the Eighties did not
have any impact on 80s music and 80s TD music in
particular. Actually, when I was playing the Optical Race
album and getting annoyed about the title track, as usual
(I never thought I'd see the day that TD would use
orchestra hits and funny bottle-opening sounds), my
girlfriend said that it was probably not too bad in itself,
just more akin to the Eighties pop format than anything
else they've ever done. Pop music loved synthesisers in the
80s, and it's not very surprising that TD had their only
single chart placement in that period. Also, I remember the
TD-scored 'Tatort' episode where they had people dancing to
'Network' in a nightclub. I suppose that could only have
seemed vaguely realistic in the Eighties.
> I've only known other TD fans since I joined this list. I think it would have
> been interesting to have a similar forum twenty years ago and ten years ago. I
> think there may have been some fans upset at the 'commercial' nature of the
> music being produced in those periods relative to the other 'pop' music
> prevalent at the time.
In fact, my hypothesis is that TD fans might have started
complaining about the increasing commerciality of their
music as early as 'Phaedra'. Shocking, no cellos, and all
those happy fiddly tunes...yuck! Bring the Alpha Centauri
days back!
> I honestly believe that in ten years time we'll be looking back at the music
of
> today (Oasis, Dream Mixes, maybe even Goblin's Club) and complaining about
> Jerome's latest release for being too commercial.
Again, I completely agree. Except that I like these albums
even now. But already, I tend to look back at the Melrose
years...I still think that 'Lily on the Beach' is a much
underestimated album.
Dennis
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On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:08:07 -0500 tadream mailing list
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>
>
> Been listening to this one for a week... But I can only find 3 remixes:
> #1: Twilight Brigade (actually a little more tender feeling than the
original!)
> #3: Towards the eveing star (duh!)
> #6: Iowa (from the first DM... this shoudl ahve been the original)
>
> Does anyone detect other remixes in the other songs?
>
> - jim
>
> NP:
> 'Moving out... from the City of Love... to the Valley of Reason...'
> -- Dream Academy: 'The Lession of Love'
> 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, GA http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo
There seems to be a bit of 'Lamb With Radar Eyes' in Pixel
Pirates or Digital Sister; I can't remember which of the
two it was.
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During a weekend visit to Oxford, I managed to find
'Electronic Meditation' at a CD fair for £6; thought I just
had to get it. Which means that I've now got all of TD's
studio albums...such a perfect day...sounds as if I'd have
to concentrate on soundtracks and live bootlegs from now on.
I actually really like EM, it sounds really psychedelic.
I've really been enjoying the pre-Phaedra albums recently;
Alpha Centauri and Atem are among my most-played albums
these days. I like Zeit as well, but as I haven't got a
record player at the moment, I can't play it...and as for
EM, I'll definitely put it on first thing when I get home.
I think the album title is very unlucky, but the music is
excellent. A whole lot better than I'd expected.
Dennis
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>Really-From: 'Just this guy who is pretty cool...'
>Tape trees.... ummm..
>I'd like to participate in the tape tree & stuf,
>but i'mn not sure what it is....
-- then uhhh you haven't been following the list & stuf very closely since
this topic and this exact question were recently thrashed almost to death
on the list & stuf. I don't want to sound short but there's far too much
material to re-post here; check through some old digests especially jan
17-18 and around jan 25-29... (if you can't find them, then e-mail me off
list, and I'll forward copies to you from jan 16-jan 31...)
option two: take a chance and learn as you go! just to respond to the calls
for participation off-list; provide the requested info and under question
4, write 'analog leaf?'--if you have a tape deck. Under question 5 state
whether you have a dubbing deck, cdr burner, etc. then just sit back and
follow the directions as they come in... it's easier than programming a vcr
;-)
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>Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
>
>> I've only known other TD fans since I joined this list. I think it would
have
>> been interesting to have a similar forum twenty years ago and ten years ago.
I
>> think there may have been some fans upset at the 'commercial' nature of the
>> music being produced in those periods relative to the other 'pop' music
>> prevalent at the time.
>
>In fact, my hypothesis is that TD fans might have started
>complaining about the increasing commerciality of their
>music as early as 'Phaedra'. Shocking, no cellos, and all
>those happy fiddly tunes...yuck! Bring the Alpha Centauri
>days back!
I've said that on this list on occassion. The only consistent thing about the
first six albums (if you include Green Desert), is that they're all
significantly different (IMO).
Electronic Meditation - experimental jazz-esque with minimal electronics
Alpha Centauri - krautrock with more electronics
Zeit - experimental, minimalist ambient
Atem - pure electronics?
Green Desert - krautrock with electronics
Phaedra - classic ambient e-music
I don't know how early fans managed to keep up with their changes in style. Any
here?
>> I honestly believe that in ten years time we'll be looking back at the music
of
>> today (Oasis, Dream Mixes, maybe even Goblin's Club) and complaining about
>> Jerome's latest release for being too commercial.
>
>Again, I completely agree. Except that I like these albums
>even now. But already, I tend to look back at the Melrose
>years...I still think that 'Lily on the Beach' is a much
>underestimated album.
That's where our agreement ends, I'm afraid Dennis. Lily on the Beach and
Optical Race are in my bottom ten albums. Having said that, each has a couple
of great tracks, but then that's why I believe TD's worst albums are better
than lots of other artist's worst albums. They aways have a redeeming feature.
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We have a SECOND on the motion from THE HIGHLANDER
Leave the fish in the triangle
THANK YOU,
Robert
>Really-From: DJS
>
>
>> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>> (who'd suggest--if this were goldtri--that you need a good thwapping with
>> rex the trouser trout [or whatever elana's little pet is called] :-)
>
>
>PLEEEASE!!!!!! Keep the 'fish' garbage off this cool list. Leave that
>childish IRC antic to Goldtri. This is only a request of course...feel
>free to second this anyone, unless you want this to become a hatchery as
>well. ;-)
>
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I'm confused...was it something I said? Or are we talking about someone else
here? Just wondering...David
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Subject: glasgow 97, any tapes?
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does anybody have a tape of the glasgow 97 td show? I know one exists.. if
anyone out there has a copy, I'd appreciate it if you could contact me
privately.
thanks
lars
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In answer to the replies to my last posting. I am not asking for no
discussion of the KEEP. I am asking to limit re-postings of huge long
comparisons every few days. It would be simple to just post what has
changed since the last time the comparison was done. You know the one
from 5 days ago.
I am not asking this as the admin of the list, I am asking this as
someone who is just sick and tired of endless repeats of the same
listings of differences between the same x number of CD releases and x
number of edits of the file. I think at this point, there are at least
3 so-called KEEP FAQ files. Why???? because none of them is clear
enough to the other people so they make their own.
This is why I said it is about time to add the KEEP to my killfile.
(NOT the lists... I guess I wasn't clear on that.)
So-and-so said in such and such that there are fifty editing
differences between the various versions of THE KEEP. Here in
nit-picking detail are all the editing points and sound cue
differences. Oops, that wasn't clear renough, here are the lines of
dialogue that happened five minutes before and five minutes after so
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>Really-From: DAVENTURA@a...
>I'm confused...was it something I said? Or are we talking about someone
>else here? Just wondering...David
-- my comments were directed at the list-owner, david datta, not at you...
sorry for any ambiguity, I should have copied the original header
lars
(who enters of plea of 'no contest' to the charge of 'first degree
triangulation.' 'I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of the
communist party...')
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>Really-From: Michael A Jean
[snip]
>NP: Tubular Bells 2 Is TB3 really as bad as I've heard???
^^^
Is TB3 for real? If so, it's the first I've heard. TB2 was fantastic.
-Erik
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Since we've had a couple of votes from the pro-Keep camp, I thought I'd back
Dave up on this. Every one knows that Steve has an obsession with the Keep, and
most of his (admittedly long) posts relate to the music.
I did feel, however, that the latest went a bit over the score since it talked
only of the visual scenes in the movie. I feel this would have been better
placed in some film-buff list rather than this one.
Whilst The Keep perhaps is more relevant to TD than Nyquil, discussion of the
film is not really on topic. Maybe if Ed has taken Nyquil at some stage, that
discussion would be relevant too?
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Subject: RE: NO TD: Nyquil
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>>Wasn't it the late Lester Bangs who allegedly chugged a couple
of bottles
>>of cough syrup before a TD concert and commented:
>>
>>'Tonight I saw God and/or Tangerine Dream.'
>Is this apocrypha from the TD lore, or did you just make it up?
No, it's true. It was published in the New York Times. I have
the article.
Scott
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Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@c...>
Well, I just received my copy of BtH and it is the last issue in my
subscription. So the question is: should I renew? Really, I'm torn on this
one. On the positive side, I really do like some things about it. The
interviews aren't great but where else do you get interviews with Michael
Hoenig or Johannes Schmoelling? The TD news can be found elsewhere for the
most part, but sometimes there is a tidbit that I haven't seen elsewhere.
And they are a good source of info on other artists like Haslinger,
Schmoelling and Hoenig. I've used their services in purchasing some CDs,
and they've been a pretty good source with reasonable prices. They haven't
had much to say lately on bootlegs, but they have in the past been good in
describing what's on the bootleg CD and it's quality. And there is the
occasional good article or review.
On the minus side, well the price if pretty steep for what you get. $25.00
works out to $6.25 per issue. Issues are pretty slim, usually around 36
pages. (Of course, a good portion of that price goes to postage and
supplies. No, I don't think I'm being ripped off. The magazine is very
professional looking and the number of subscribers is low, looks like it's
under 200 by the list sent with the last issue. I know that this lack of
quantity means higher per unit cost. But it's still expensive.) The
magazine is supposed to be quarterly but it is usually painfully late. Of
course, my main problem with the magazine is the way they treat TD. Their
reviews of TD are mostly negative. I know that there are some on this list
who agree with that opinion, but I am not one of them and it is
disappointing to see this type of negativity in a magazine that started out
as a magazine for TD fans. I know a lot of water as gone under that
particular bridge, but I can't help but see why Edgar's appears to be
unhappy with BtH and question it's fairness. Just look at the current
issues reviews: Peter Namlook? 'One of the best releases of 1997.' Star
Sounds Orchestra? 'in a league above the majority of taday's techno music'
Kluster (a rerelease)? 'Worthy additions to your music library' Klaus
Schulze? 'a satisfying offering from the celebrated EM guru.' Cluster?
'worthy additions to your music library' (Hey, haven't I heard that
before?) The book, Digital Gothic (which calls White Eagle deplorable)?
'an enjoyable read and a good reference point' And TD's Oasis and Tournado?
Why they're the 'aural equivalents of molecularly engineered rabbit food.'
Later in the issue, the editors complain that Edgar wouldn't let Voiceprint
sell albums to BtH for resale. Given the editorial contempt the
organization holds for TD should this be a surprise?
The official position is basically that they call them as they see them,
and we wouldn't want a magazine of mindless adoring fans now, would we?
Humorously enough, beginning with this issue of the magazine, BtH will be
reprinting the 'Klaus Schulze Circle.' Not that I have a problem with this
type of thing. In fact I think TD needs someone like Klaus Mueller behind
them. But the KS circle is pretty much by and for Klaus Schulze die hard
fans and not a place for scholarly critiques. (Let alone mean spirited
slagging)
A final mark in the minus column is a personal negative (very negative)
experience with someone on the editorial staff of BtH. On the other hand,
although I have opinion type differences with BtH staff member and tadream
list member Brian Kirby, I find him to be a gentleman.
For the record, the current issue of BtH is a pretty good one if you ignore
the TD negativity.
>>Bob<<
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just a test for me.
I received a number of VERY unwanted pieces of spam today and had to go
back to spam-blocking my address. However, it seems the list often
doesn't like it when I do that....
Gabe
real email address: remove the 'nospam' to get my real address.
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Robert Forman wrote:
>
>Well, I just received my copy of BtH and it is the last issue in my
>subscription. So the question is: should I renew? Really, I'm torn on
this
>one.
Bob is right on the mark with his comments about Beyond the Horizon. I
wondered before the latest issue finally arrived if I should forget
about renewing my subscription. But I find myself going back to past
issues for verbal and visual references to albums to help decide music
purchases. The layout is great, pictures and tracklists of albums very
useful, publisher's letter usually boring, the fan reviews are much more
interesting than the staff's (their interviews with artists are what
they do best), and I look to each issue for news rather than for
editorial opinions.
Of
>course, my main problem with the magazine is the way they treat TD.
Their
>reviews of TD are mostly negative.
Yes, the reader can't help but notice that the magazine has a problem in
this area. I'm glad it's not my (fan with attitude) problem.
>
>For the record, the current issue of BtH is a pretty good one if you
ignore
>the TD negativity.
Bob's correct on this point; I betcha he's renewed his subscription (I
did).
It would be interesting to hear a comparison with other magazines, like
Dream Collector, from those who subscribe to more than one.
Roger
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Hi, Tangerine Dream
I enjoy your music a lot and have got a lot of your
music. A month ago
I bought your DREAM MIXES-CD and to my surprise I discovered that track
6 has got some PECULIAR BEEPS that I' sure were not supposed to be
there. HAVE YOU NOTICED THEM ? Keep well. Rui E. Vieira
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 10:33 PM 2/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Which makes you probably as old as I am. I am amzed at the range of ages on
>this list. Seems that we grew up with Edgar. Had anyone told me in 1974
>(first exposure to TD) that I will really enjoy Time Square, I would have
>laughed in their face, But, tonight on the way to and from racquetball, I
>really enjoyed it.
My musical tastes have been all over the map for so long, I'll always take
a shot at something.
>BTW, while never lived on a commune, I did help built a geodesic dome once.
>Does that qualify? :-)
Yes, you qualify--and I'll bet ol' Bucky's smiling at you right now!
Mike
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Subject: 2 CD Dream Mixes
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
Sorry if this has already been discussed (I probably wasn't paying
attention), but what is the difference between the two versions of Dream
Mixes? I looked at the discography on the web site, and it give two
track listings:
Track Listing (both editions):
1.Little Blond in the Park of Attractions (The Thai Dub)
2.Rough Embrace
3.Touchwood (The Forest Mix)
4.Jungle Journey (Reptile Mix)
5.Virtually Fields
6.Firetongues (The Break Freak Mix)
7.San Rocco
8.Catwalk (Dress-up Mix)
9.Change of the Gods
10.Bride in Cold Tears (The Motown Monk Mix)
Track Listing (UK edition only):
1.Touchwood (Radio Edit)
2.Little Blond in the Park of Attractions (Radio Edit)
3.Catwalk (Black Ink Mix)
4.Touchwood (Poison Byte Mix)
5.Iowa
6.Sojus
Do they mean that second CD contains this second tracklist?
Scott
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Yes sir, Indeed it does ( 2nd cd )that is.
I prefer this edition to the us. Nicer cover, and I listen to the 2nd disc more
often than the first.Of course i'm one of tose crazy INSANE nutty people who
prefer the modern TD to the ol line up that I listen to at nite to drown out
the neighbors and go to sleep.=+)
Chris
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
Sorry if this has already been discussed (I probably wasn't paying
attention), but what is the difference between the two versions of Dream
Mixes? I looked at the discography on the web site, and it give two
track listings:
Track Listing (both editions):
1.Little Blond in the Park of Attractions (The Thai Dub)
2.Rough Embrace
3.Touchwood (The Forest Mix)
4.Jungle Journey (Reptile Mix)
5.Virtually Fields
6.Firetongues (The Break Freak Mix)
7.San Rocco
8.Catwalk (Dress-up Mix)
9.Change of the Gods
10.Bride in Cold Tears (The Motown Monk Mix)
Track Listing (UK edition only):
1.Touchwood (Radio Edit)
2.Little Blond in the Park of Attractions (Radio Edit)
3.Catwalk (Black Ink Mix)
4.Touchwood (Poison Byte Mix)
5.Iowa
6.Sojus
Do they mean that second CD contains this second tracklist?
Scott
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Really-From: Tom Gerardy
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>Do they mean that second CD contains this second tracklist?
>
>Scott
Yes, those are the tracks of the second CD.
--tom
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Really-From: SRiser3600@a...
Hi all,
Well two months ago when I first found the tdream list I was excited now I'm
just bewildered. I've never read so much crap, LOL.
99% of what I find is just pure babble.
Its almost like a Spice Girls or Donny Osmand site.
Things like what is Edgars favorite colour or what is Jeromes underwear
size!!!
I've been a big Tdream fan since 1973,...!!!
But I'm just blown away by some of what I see here. I sign on and I have tons
and tons of Garbage.
Can we get serious???
bye dreaming since 73 STIGO
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Subject: Re: tape trees update # 1
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Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
hehe...and i thought u guys werent tape heads...anyway, just to keep everyone
current since i cant answer everyone individually...the trees will close on
sunday night, and the structure will be posted monday...if anyone has any
other material than that which was posted, pls let lars know...i dont know if
theres gonna be digital branch for 2 reasons: one, this source doesnt have
digital capability (right?) and two, i dont think theres enough participation
on that end...that doesnt preclude digital exchanges between branches and
leafs however...but, again, until i see the whole picture, i wont
know...couple of quick rules: only 2:1 trading, where other material is
impossible...if anyone gets greedy let us know, and thats the end for that
person...any deals by branches & leaves are ur own business...if ur looking
for that pamela lee video and the other person is willing to trade, hey, go
for it...please try to be quick, use good tape, and communicate...finally, if
u have material to contribute, pls let lars know what it is...thanx, and have
a dub-filled next few months...ps: the tree structure will NOT be
permanent...itll be posted roughly 3-4 days after each tree
announcement,allowing more people to join, alternate sources, etc etc....
tom w
np: black dog in canada 6-27-97
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Subject: Pink Years/69-73 Analog Space Years
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Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...>
Hello,
Has anyone heard any news as to the contents of these two TD CDs?
Pink Years
'69-'73 Analog Space Years (double CD)
Several of the online music shops are listing ' '69-'73 Analog Space Years'
as a Cleopatra release (due for release March 3). I'm guessing that because
of the label it'll be on, it might be a set of interpretations/covers a la
the Tangerine Ambience releases? Cleopatra's site mentions nothing (but
then it hadn't been updated for some time).
Also, someone on the TD homepage's guestbook mentioned that they'd
purchased 'Pink Years', but I've not a clue what this disk is (perhaps yet
another 'early years' sampler, a la Collection, this time by Castle)?
Castle's Website also drew a blank.
Anyone?
John
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Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze
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Really-From: 'Simon W. Hood'
>Really-From: 'GIBONE, Philippe'
>
>> tadream mailing list wrote:
>> > Really-From: 'GIBONE, Philippe'
>> > > You should listen to 'PORTRAITS'
>> > > What is this??
>> > A double Album By KC with musical portraits : if you've
>> liked
>> > TimeWind you'll love this one.
>> > Philippe
>>
>> I'm still confused. Is this a double LP compilation of some sort?
>> Which
>> country was is issued in? Track listing? Thanks!
>>
> [GIBONE, Philippe] Well, the problem is that i'm no longer
>living in France, but in Africa, and i did'nt bring the LP's with me, as
>far as i remember this was a German release (inside leaf in german, that
>i don't understand).
> Philippe
>
I've never heard of a Schulze double LP called 'Portraits', but from the
description above it sounds like a 'rebadged' release of his excellent
album 'X'.
S.
--
Simon W. Hood
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Subject: Burbling BABBLE from Molasar's Shorts
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:09:24 EST you said:
>Subject: Re: BABBLE
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: SRiser3600@a...
>
>Well two months ago when I first found the tdream list I was excited
>now I'm just bewildered. I've never read so much crap, LOL. [. . .]
>I'm just blown away by some of what I see here. [. . .] Can we get
>serious???
Yeah, I know what you mean: for every in-depth piece I post about
THE KEEP, there are three postings about how boring they are. Let me
tell you, when I finally *do* get a copy of the 1984 album, you can be
sure that some here will get copies of the music thereon before others,
and that some here will get copies of said music well *after* others.
(As it is, there seems to be precious few who wanted a copy of the long
version of the end tune to this film . . . which, so far, is not on any
LP, CD nor CD-R--legit or otherwise--unless it's on the 1984 album.)
-- Steven Feldman
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
for that pamela lee video and the other person is willing to trade, hey, go
for it...
JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW......I have this and consider it done!!!! BUT REALLY,
I think Tom brings up a good point, I have plenty of other matierial, both the
Pam /Tommy
DVD and other keen stuff. Like the NBC KEEP cut , Dream Mixes laser, Three
Phase, Thief and other TD related movies. If you have most of the releases we
are willing to trade and don't want blank tapes, ask for other stuff. I for one
will. We could get some groovy trades going here so just ask!
P.S. Kudos to Tom and Lar's for organizing this !
Chris
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Stephen,
May I just say, your subject headings SLAY me! I'm glad you got your
tape and unless I turn up that Lp , maybe soon the thirst will be quenched.
Chris
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:09:24 EST you said:
>Subject: Re: BABBLE
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: SRiser3600@a...
>
>Well two months ago when I first found the tdream list I was excited
>now I'm just bewildered. I've never read so much crap, LOL. [. . .]
>I'm just blown away by some of what I see here. [. . .] Can we get
>serious???
Yeah, I know what you mean: for every in-depth piece I post about
THE KEEP, there are three postings about how boring they are. Let me
tell you, when I finally *do* get a copy of the 1984 album, you can be
sure that some here will get copies of the music thereon before others,
and that some here will get copies of said music well *after* others.
(As it is, there seems to be precious few who wanted a copy of the long
version of the end tune to this film . . . which, so far, is not on any
LP, CD nor CD-R--legit or otherwise--unless it's on the 1984 album.)
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Re: PECULIAR BEEPS ! (warning...humor)
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>
> Hi, Tangerine Dream
> I enjoy your music a lot and have got a lot of your
> music. A month ago
> I bought your DREAM MIXES-CD and to my surprise I discovered that track
> 6 has got some PECULIAR BEEPS that I' sure were not supposed to be
> there. HAVE YOU NOTICED THEM ? Keep well. Rui E. Vieira
Why thank you, Rui! We are currently recording our next album entitled
'Cold Bugs Marching On The Hot Sun' here aboard the Drakkar in Norway.
The release should be out sometime this year! Please buy as many as you
can...but don't give any to BTH as I have just been notified that they
have been doing interviews with our roadies which have exposed our
non-live playing routine to the world. Take care...and don't forget to
keep buying Tangerine Dream when my son takes over.
Love and horned helmets,
Edgar (not really)
PS: I'll give you 20 pesos if you can find a picture of me with no
moustache.
Dano (really)
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Really-From: feldon@p...
At 07:42 PM 2/12/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Really-From: bio.logos@m...
>
>Hi, Tangerine Dream
> I enjoy your music a lot and have got a lot of your
>music. A month ago
>I bought your DREAM MIXES-CD and to my surprise I discovered that track
>6 has got some PECULIAR BEEPS that I' sure were not supposed to be
>there. HAVE YOU NOTICED THEM ? Keep well. Rui E. Vieira
Track 6 is firetongues, right? ya, they got beeps in there for some strange
reason...
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Subject: RE: 2 CD Dream Mixes
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Brief Reactions to 2 CD of Dream Mixes:
>Track Listing (both editions):
>
> 1.Little Blond in the Park of Attractions (The Thai Dub)
> 2.Rough Embrace
> 3.Touchwood (The Forest Mix)
> 4.Jungle Journey (Reptile Mix)
> 5.Virtually Fields
> 6.Firetongues (The Break Freak Mix)
> 7.San Rocco
> 8.Catwalk (Dress-up Mix)
> 9.Change of the Gods
> 10.Bride in Cold Tears (The Motown Monk Mix)
I usually put 1, 5, 6, 8, and 10 on sequence.
>Track Listing (UK edition only):
>
> 1.Touchwood (Radio Edit)
> 2.Little Blond in the Park of Attractions (Radio Edit)
these are shorter versions of the tracks above. The editing is very
noticable (yes, they edited the master tape rather than change the music
files)
> 3.Catwalk (Black Ink Mix)
> 4.Touchwood (Poison Byte Mix)
These are 'twice as mixed' as the first disc. Aka, they are further removed
from the original pieces. I love these versions. And even though most
people find 'bass cars' detestable, these tracks are definately designed to
be played on a bass-heavy sound system.
> 5.Iowa
I cannot relate to this track... IMO, it goes nowhere. It just stays at the
same point for 5+ minutes (I don't have the track times here). And there
are just a couple of layers. I've always considered White Eagle to be the
least layered TD (and yet it's WONDERFUL)... This thing doesn't have half
as many layers.
> 6.Sojus
Overall good track. It reminds me of track 4 of the Poland concert (the 2nd
half of disc two). Aka, they cover a lot of ground in a short period.
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Subject: Re: BABBLE
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In a message dated 98-02-12 17:13:09 EST, you write:
<< But I'm just blown away by some of what I see here. I sign on and I have
tons
and tons of Garbage.
Can we get serious???
bye dreaming since 73 STIGO >>
sure, lead the way boy scout...
tom w
np: eno - apollo
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In a message dated 98-02-12 18:00:00 EST, you write:
<< BUT REALLY, I think Tom brings up a good point, I have plenty of other
matierial, both the Pam /Tommy
DVD and other keen stuff. >>
damn...wait'll the jerome vs. linda video shows up....
tom w
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Subject: RE: NO TD: Nyquil
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 11:22 AM 2/12/1998 -0500, Scott wrote:
>
> >>Wasn't it the late Lester Bangs who allegedly chugged a couple
>of bottles
> >>of cough syrup before a TD concert and commented:
> >>
> >>'Tonight I saw God and/or Tangerine Dream.'
>
> >Is this apocrypha from the TD lore, or did you just make it up?
>
>
> No, it's true. It was published in the New York Times. I have
>the article.
>
In that case, it's even better than if you had made it up! :-)))
Andrew
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Subject: A Layman's Musings on the Keep (Long)
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Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
Fellow Dreamers:
This posting isn't really a response to the past several postings
about the Keep, but thoughts that occurred to me in the last week
as both my copy of the official soundtrack arrived, and I rented
the video from a local Blockbuster...
In general, I found this to be a movie that disappoints with
execution. After hearing all the hubbub about the soundtrack, one
would expect the movie to be much better than it really is. _Thief_
was a much better movie in almost all aspects considered. It's not
a terrible movie, but I can't see myself recommending it to anyone,
either (not even to hear the soundtrack).
While I have not read any production notes or stories about
the movie, I suspect that it is the result of some extensive editing
(very similar to _Legend_). First of all the movie is not very long,
which would seem to be in contrast with the amount of effort
apparently put into it. Secondly, there is no real flow of story
from beginning to end; ideas are introduced and forgotten, or
pulled out of the hat with no foreshadowing (e.g. how did the
daughter know Molesar's name when it was never mentioned
anywhere prior in the movie?) Scenes end and begin abruptly, too.
(I'm going to have to find the book to understand this movie better,
I've decided.)
[Enough about just the movie, Jim!] Okay! I think TD's
music was probably one of the biggest victims of all this editing.
Listening to the TDI release, the music sounds very contemporary
to their style around 1982-3. There's been a little 'Tangentizing',
but enough, I think, to lead into some songs without them being
too awkward. Some of the songs, of course, are easily recognizable
from the movie (forgive me for forgetting my liner notes at home
when I wrote this), but others sound rather out-of-place for the
film. At the same time, as has been noted here before, there's a
good deal of music from the film missing on the TDI soundtrack (two
songs are probably due to legal reasons). Yes, a lot of the music
are cuts from _Logos_ and _Rubycon_. Of course, several of
the missing pieces appear on the Blue Moon release.
Why the disparity? Here's the way I would guess that events
transpired (and if anyone knows that the occurrence was actually
different,
please let me know): After the success of _Thief_, Mann grabs
TD for his next major project, which is not yet in production. Ala
_Sorcerer_, Mann gives TD a screenplay, and ask them to come
up with some ideas. Froese and company at Mann's request decide to
take some 'departures' from their normal routine with ideas that
materialize such as 'Gloria' and that other semi-choral song when
Cuza brings the talisman up from the depths. After going onto
the set of the movie to both present their ideas and gain some
inspiration for the rest of the soundtrack, Mann gives his approval,
and the director and musicians get back to work. This collection of
music is what appears in the TDI release of the soundtrack.
Meanwhile, Mann's project is slowly being altered by the powers
that be. Important scenes are being shortened, or cut altogether. The
mood of the film is changed to be darker and more foreboding. After
attempting to mate the film and the original soundtrack, Mann realizes
that it's not going to work, and time and money are quickly running
out. So Mann commissions TD to go back and (quickly) rescore
most of the movie to fit both the new mood and flow of what would
be the final cut. Under considerable pressures to finish quickly (and
with other projects underway as well), TD composes most of what
appears in the Blue Moon release: slow, dreary passages without
very much development (a lot like the story line...). Some songs are
used several times (Glaeken's theme, Cuza's theme, etc.) without
much variation.
Since no one recalls what the track listing was for the vinyl
release of last decade, it can't really be known what was on that release.
So, last year, when the soundtrack is FINALLY released (again), there is
an outcry from the fans that it's NOTHING like what was in the movie.
Legal problems probably prevented the opening and closing themes from
being used, and much of the internal material already exists on both
_Logos_ and _Rubycon_. I'll also bite and say that anyone who was really
interested in getting the movie music has the Blue Moon release, too.
Basically we're missing about, what, 15 minutes of material? Right off the
top of my head, I can't think of ANY movie soundtrack by TD that has been
100% released on an album (_Thief_ comes close...). I think of the three
(TDI Release, Blue Moon release, and what would be a complete album of
all music in the movie), the first is probably the best package.
[Saying that, I'm glad to have the BM release... and I would like
to have the more powerful version of 'Gloria' ...]
Anyway, I won't be talking much more about the Keep after this,
unless this really strikes up a thread... I appreciate anyone who took the
time to read this. Also, if anyone has any documented evidence of how the
story of this soundtrack REALLY unfolded, I would be thankful to hear about
it.
- jim
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At 02:57 PM 2/12/1998, Mike wrote:
>
>My musical tastes have been all over the map for so long, I'll always take
>a shot at something.
Ditto, here. Do get in on the GoldTri deal. I think it will please you.
>
>>BTW, while never lived on a commune, I did help built a geodesic dome once.
>>Does that qualify? :-)
>
>Yes, you qualify--and I'll bet ol' Bucky's smiling at you right now!
One of my great regrets in life is that he was signing his latest, just
before he died, and I said hello to him, but was too shy to ask him to sign
the book I had in my hand (circa, 1982, in NewOrleans).
Oh, well...
Andrew
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Subject: RE: 2 CD Dream Mixes
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At 04:21 PM 2/12/1998 -0500, Scott wrote:
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>
>
>Sorry if this has already been discussed (I probably wasn't paying
>attention), but what is the difference between the two versions of Dream
>Mixes? I looked at the discography on the web site, and it give two
>track listings:
>
>Track Listing (both editions):
>
> 1.Little Blond in the Park of Attractions (The Thai Dub)
>
>Track Listing (UK edition only):
>
> 1.Touchwood (Radio Edit)
> 2.Little Blond in the Park of Attractions (Radio Edit)
[...............]
Yup, that's it. You want one? I bought a second by mistake. Never played.
Andrew
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dreamers
I owe reviews to a coupla listmembers about their music & a book but I have
gotten really far behind on it.... things aren't gonna get better for me
in the forseeable future so i'm just going to lump them all in together and
do a gang review... I'll have to keep them brief and just give some of my
random thoughts.
sorry ash, kent, & paul that I can't give each of your efforts the
attention it deserves here!
With one exception, these reviews are slightly td-tangential but the fact
that they are all (but one?) listmember products justifies posting these
reviews here. also, these reviews are not plugs and I don't benefit from
them.
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Ashok Prema 'of times and places' multitone dmut 1343;
OTAP was Ash's first cd and it shows a wide range of styles, some of which
I find personally satisfying (ie: tracks 1 & 4 which are more e-music
orientated) and some of which don't do much for me (ie: track 7 & 9) -- one
of these definitely sounds too 'poppy' for me (actually I sort of cringe
when I hear the sha-na-na-like riffs on track 7, 'a walk down green
lanes'); ash explained that the overall sound of this cd (which does tend
to incorporate some non-western instruments/sounds -- but not exclusively)
was due in part to the external pressures by the label owner... i suppose
that since I wasn't 100% thrilled with this cd I was a little hesitant to
admit that since I consider ash a friend. nevertheless, there *is* some
good material here, and now that I've recently received Ash's latest
effort, I've played them both quite a bit. If you had to choose between
these 2 cds, however, I'd definitely take the second:
Ashok Prema 'stranger in a strange land' champagne lake clpcd009
SIASL is Ash's newest release and it's hot off the press. Now that Ash is
the label owner, he can do it his way and I think it shows. He's been
working on this for quite a while and was kind enough to play me some of
the first tracks last spring when I was in london (sigh...) I thought it
sounded great then and I still think so now. lots of sequencers, great
production values, lots of great layering, etc. Perhaps Ash has been a
little influenced by his association with Mark Shreeve (2 of shreeve's cds
have come out on ash's label) although I can't say any of the tracks on
this cd is 'derivative' from shreeve. no, ash is working within a
particular vein that moves towards shreeve at times, at other times toward
TD but it always seems to be his own unique material; indeed, one can
clearly hear the foundations of this material in OTAP (especially tracks
1&4).
I would encourage everyone to give this CD a try; it is definitely worth
it.
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Kent Eskildsen/Timescape 'one small step' (self release MC)
for those of you familiar with tangerine ambience 2, kent is responsible
for the great covers stratosfear and white eagle (recording as 'token
angle' and 'kenton files'); 'one small step' is kent's own music released
on a c60. OSS is really quite good--as one would expect from hearing his
stuff on TA2--I especially like the 2 nice long tracks (12 & 14 minutes)
which really 'go places'; plus there's lots of layering, etc. For
schmoelling fans, the title track (12 min) should be quite pleasing and it
reminds me a bit of JS's Zoo of tranquillity although it is certainly not
'derivative' from it. Ken's a big TD fan and their influence definitely
shows but this music really is unique. If I were to compare this with
anything else non-td, however, it might be with Ash Prema's 2nd cd SIASL.
then again, some of the material on side 2 sounds almost (td) oasis-ish; as
a guitar fan, it was especially nice, however to hear kent's excellent
guitar work (he lists both acoustic, electric and guitar synths in his
equipment list); a lot of otherwise good e-music IMO remains somewhat flat
because it just sticks with the synths so it was great to hear kent doing
some guitar work as well; I've always liked this about TD (in comparison
with schulze say) and I think that part of what makes td so unique and
appealing to me is the guitar work. as you may note from the title, the
theme is the moon landing and it samples some of audio from the mission in
a very pleasing fashion (I guess this makes it 'space music' ;-) sometimes
voices in e-music bothers me but here it works very well and was done quite
tastefully.
this is definitely a tape worth getting folks.
Kent Eskildsen '30 years of dreaming'
as a few others have mentioned, '30 years of dreaming' is kent's book on
TD; these comments by other listees have been quite good and I don't have
much to add except to say that kent's book is a great read and well
written. the color illustrations were nice as well. I should make clear
that this isn't a catalog book for anal supercollectors (eg it's not
competing with voices) nor is it concerned with the live tape aspects (like
mysterious semblance); in spite of this, kent manages to cover just about
everything. it's probably one of the most well-written things on TD that
has come out.
for info on the tape or the book, kent is a list member; you can also write
him at:
Kent Eskildsen
Sandbakkevej 7
DK-9800 Hjĝrring (or 'Hjoerring' like in 'Froese' :-)
Denmark
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Paul Lawler 'year zero' champagne lake productions, clpcd012
ash recently sent me paul lawler's new cd 'year zero.' this cd too
evidences a wide range of musical styles from hard driving e-music to jazz
(I don't think it gets very 'spacey' though). I have mixed feelings about
displaying such a range of styles on a cd. sure it shows your talents and
it appeals to a broader audience but it also (IMO) disrupts the flow and
evolution and makes the overall work seem a little schizoid. perhaps paul
never intended a concept cd but rather a compilation of his material so
this might not be a fair criticism. paul is an excellent musician and the
production is also top-notch (mastered by andy pickford) -- a real
professional effort. as with any wide range or material, you have to
expect a range of reactions to it. the jazz stuff certainly doesn't do
much for me but luckily it only makes brief appearances (this is not to say
that it is not well played or composed etc. it is; it is 'good' jazz but
jazz just doesn't do a whole lot for me). anyway, in spite of this, there
is some fantastic material on this cd. pic hits for me: track 1 (ice
station) although some might find this to be a bit windham-hill-ish (it
reminds me in some ways of a winter solstice piece but without the holiday
overtones); of course this is neither good nor bad. some of the WH stuff
is, of course, merely new age pablum, while other WH stuff is sheer genius.
track 3 stepford lives rocks; this is, for me, the best piece on the cd and
really kicks some serious butt. track 5 radio calvary also rocks but does
ever so slightly seem to edge in the direction of jazz; track 7 the
messenger is really good too but seems (to me) stuck on a threshold between
light jazz (sax) and snyth rock (guitar) -- then again, perhaps that's what
makes it so interesting?? oh yeah, this is another cd with great artwork;
give this cd a try, I suspect you won't be disappointed.
just my thoughts
lars
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> Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
>
>
> We have a SECOND on the motion from THE HIGHLANDER
> Leave the fish in the triangle
> THANK YOU,
> Robert
Ditto, but tadream definitely needs a pet goat so we can get Dano and Mike
L. 'bleated' out!
Hahahahahahaha
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> Really-From: SRiser3600@a...
>
> Hi all,
> Well two months ago when I first found the tdream list I was excited now
I'm
> just bewildered. I've never read so much crap, LOL.
> 99% of what I find is just pure babble.
> Its almost like a Spice Girls or Donny Osmand site.
> Things like what is Edgars favorite colour or what is Jeromes underwear
> size!!!
>
> But I'm just blown away by some of what I see here. I sign on and I have
tons
> and tons of Garbage.
> Can we get serious???
Two months ago? Really? I've only been on since October, and I've seen a
LOT of relevant info routed through this list, the *premiere* source for TD
and TD-related info.
Feel free to start a thread, 'Mr. Serious.' :-)
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I was laughing my ass off after reading this post. You are one funny guy Dano.
OK, here's the deal. I'm going to write THE definitive Tangerine Dream Book,
but I want all of you to do the research and most of the writing.
I just want to cash the checks.
Any ideas?.......David
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Subject: Faithful Soundtracks? and The Keep, Sh-meep!!
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<>
With all of the talk of soundtracks (and yes, I am totally tired of the
endless molecular dissection of The Keep. I think that it is time for an
alt.keep newsgroup or a keep mailing list, as it has moved from a music
discussion into a MOVIE discussion.) movie soundtracks are RARELY 100%
faithful to the music released in the film. (SORCERER and THIEF come closest
to that 100%). Listen to the opening track on FLASHPOINT and compare it to
its' compatriot in the movie; there is a prominent Moog-sounding lead in the
movie that ain't on the soundtrack. There are other examples, but I do not
have the time or the interest to pursue this.
What would happen if this ephemeral 1984 LP of The Keep ever does surface
and it doesn't sound exactly like the music from the film? Will the wine
from this Holy Grail still taste as sweet as expected? (Personally, I don't
think that the LP ever will surface, 13 years after it supposed release.
With all of the TD fans that have passed through this list and from the Web
site, all that has ever been 'proven' is that a tiny handful of folks have
'seen/held/drooled on' this LP; why in the Hell did none of them ever BUY it
when they had the chance? (Rhetorical question, don't care whether or not
Person A had no money, etc.) Why have there been no further sightings? Were
all of the LP's beamed aboard a passing Vogon planet-destroying spacecraft
and used to annihilate small planetoid around the galaxy? I don't care.
Also, some of us that are on digest mode do not have the luxury of deleting
posts that we find excessive, boring what-have-you. So, please bear in mind
that I and others cannot 'just delete the post that bugs us' without canning
the rest of the data presented here. Please use those editing skills, folks!
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Since we are STILL talking about soundtracks. I find that 'Firestarter' is
very close
to complete and unadulterated, except for the Main Title, which I think sounds
better on the OST. Just my .02....David
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> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
>
> Two months ago? Really? I've only been on since October, and I've seen a
> LOT of relevant info routed through this list, the *premiere* source for TD
> and TD-related info.
>
> Feel free to start a thread, 'Mr. Serious.' :-)
>
> E-Man
I agree on that one. I've been on this list since November
1996, and I don't think there's any other source supplying
TD-related info as quickly and abundantly as this list
does. Fair enough, some subjects might be of marginal
interest to some people, but others will love them!
Personally, for instance, I've stopped reading messages
about The Keep film endings, but the Keep enthusiasts
should very well have their right to discuss...it's a bit
like a newspaper, really: Individually, you read what you
find interesting and ignore the rest - but what makes it a
_good_ newspaper is that it's got everything in it, even
things that you personally aren't interested in.
Dennis
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I sent an email to the label, but got no response...
In the new BTH, it says it will contain remastered material from EM to
AC... It was also runored to contain Ultima Thule, but apparently that is
no longer the case... The blurb also makes reference to a poster and gold
cds... Who knows, I haven't seen one...
MJ
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An excerpt from it appears on XXV, another new compilation. I didn't want
to pay $30 for one new track, so I didn't buy it... However, on the web,
there is an active movement among fans who HAVE heard it, begging him not
to release it because it will destroy his whole career... I suspect it is
something like the recent remix single of Women of Ireland...
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There is a brief mention of Paul Haslinger at
http://www.zdnet.com/macweek/mw_1207/op_protoolsidebar.html
* * *
G R Hail
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In a message dated 98-02-13 10:19:33 EST, you write:
<< There is a brief mention of Paul Haslinger at >>
Always thought Paul was a boxer type of guy....David
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> Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
>
> An excerpt from it appears on XXV, another new compilation. I didn't
want
> to pay $30 for one new track, so I didn't buy it... However, on the web,
> there is an active movement among fans who HAVE heard it, begging him not
> to release it because it will destroy his whole career... I suspect it
is
Oldfield obviously has $$, and *has* made a living from his music. I don't
get why some artists milk a good thing. At least TD didn't try to put out
FORCE MAJUERE II in the late 80s/early 90s and leave a classic album in
shambles. I did ilke 'Stratosfear 1995,' though.
E-Man
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On Feb 13, 2:11pm, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Re: BABBLE
> Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
>
>
>
> On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:23:42 -0800 tadream mailing list
> wrote:
> > > > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> >
> >
> > Two months ago? Really? I've only been on since October, and I've seen a
> > LOT of relevant info routed through this list, the *premiere* source for TD
> > and TD-related info.
> >
> > Feel free to start a thread, 'Mr. Serious.' :-)
> >
> > E-Man
>
> I agree on that one. I've been on this list since November
> 1996, and I don't think there's any other source supplying
> TD-related info as quickly and abundantly as this list
(...)
>
> Dennis
>
>-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list
And lets face it, without this list, how would we have been notified of this
'Electronic Orgy' compilation (which is worth its weight in precious metal)?
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
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first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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>Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
>An excerpt from it appears on XXV, another new compilation. I didn't want
>to pay $30 for one new track, so I didn't buy it... However, on the web,
>there is an active movement among fans who HAVE heard it, begging him not
>to release it because it will destroy his whole career... I suspect it is
>something like the recent remix single of Women of Ireland...
It's a techno-version. With Mike on guitar and probably most of
the other instruments. Found a clip somewhere on the Web.
It's a shame that such a fine artist is now making (poor) techno music.
I always liked his music very much, especially 70s and Amarok.
Hope he will learn something from this.
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
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> Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
> An excerpt from it appears on XXV, another new compilation. I didn't want
> to pay $30 for one new track, so I didn't buy it... However, on the web,
> there is an active movement among fans who HAVE heard it, begging him not
> to release it because it will destroy his whole career... I suspect it is
> something like the recent remix single of Women of Ireland...
>
> MJ
Being one of his fans who has heard it, and quite like it, I disagree with you
there.
Its only a small excerpt from the album so how anyone can judge what the whole
thing
will sound like is beyond me! I'll wait and see what the full album sounds like
before
passing judgement.
As for TBIII destroying his career, some would say his career was already
destroyed after
he released Voyager!
If you're refering to the lurker remix of Women of Ireland, its one of the few
remixes I prefer
to the 'original' (Women of Ireland being a folk tune no one knows what *the*
original sounds
like).
Colin
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Someone mentioned Lester Bangs' article about TD (The Day I Saw God And/Or
TD). The interesting thing is how this article has been incorporated into
the TD mythology at face value (cf Mark Prendergast's essay in Tangents)
It's actually a heavily ironic ANTI Tangerine Dream piece.
Conrad: I'm in the process of making the tapes. My mail still isn't getting
through to you. Please send me your address again.
Glynn
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Subject: Analog space/Pink Years
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Mike,
>>I sent an email to the label, but got no response...
>>In the new BTH, it says it will contain remastered material from EM to
>>AC... It was also runored to contain Ultima Thule, but apparently that
is
>>no longer the case... The blurb also makes reference to a poster and gold
>>cds... Who knows, I haven't seen one...
I'm assuming in the latter case you're talking about the 'Pink Years' disk,
right? (I'm guessing it'd be highly unlikely for Cleopatra to be issuing
official TD.)
Oh well--too bad, looks like this'll be yet another useless non-Virgin comp
like Collection/Atmospherics/From Dawn...Till Dusk/Story of TD/Best of TD
etc. And I suppose a Blue Years disk can't be far behind, either....
The Cleopatra release sounds more encouraging, at least in
theory...interesting that they're calling it 1969-1973....what official
stuff technically dates from 1969 (was Elecronic Meditation composed in '69
or '70, anyone recall?)
John
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I'm mostly a lurker around here, though I've been on the list since
at least 1990. While I might not be too interested in excruciatingly
in-depth discussions of the various versions or edits of the Keep film,
I am interested in reading just about *anything* about the soundtrack.
What I find far more annoying are the clueless ones who send in
one or two line replies that include the entire message that they're
following up on, or even worse, the entire digest. And then the
people who keep making the digest unreadable by always spewing HTML
into it...
--Dave
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tadream mailing list schrieb:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Really-From: DAVENTURA@a...
>
> I agree completely. As I remember, I wasn't really that impressed with
> 'THE
> KEEP' in the first place. Prefer 'THIEF' anyday, speaking of the same
> director. Or possibly his last film, 'HEAT'. Which by the way has some
> very
> nice music too. The End Title music is very reminiscent of TD.
The soundtrack of 'HEAT' is the best i ever heard. it's bombastic!
Is the 'KEEP' from Michael Mann too????
the last track is from Moby and it's really similar to TD. I can
recommend this very hard!
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
>
> Oldfield obviously has $$, and *has* made a living from his music. I don't
> get why some artists milk a good thing. At least TD didn't try to put out
> FORCE MAJUERE II in the late 80s/early 90s and leave a classic album in
> shambles. I did ilke 'Stratosfear 1995,' though.
>
> E-Man
>
Well, they did do a Dream Mixes II...;)
(though it's debatable whether it'll ever be as classic as _Force
Majeure_)
As for Strato '95, I guess I like it too...but I do wish they had
preserved more of the structure of the original 'Stratosfear' in it.
I'd like to know if this is why TD never sticks with one style for too
long, though...you might be on to something here, Eli!
Gabe
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 02:11 PM 2/13/98 +0000, you wrote:
but what makes it a
>_good_ newspaper is that it's got everything in it, even
>things that you personally aren't interested in.
I agree with your sentiments but what we need is a good political cartoonist!
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Subject: RE: Analogue space years
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>I sent an email to the label, but got no response...
>MJ
'69 - '73 ANALOGUE SPACE YEARS
2 CD's. Compilation, Cleopatra, 3 Mars 1998.
CD 1
Ashes To Ashes (from Electronic Meditation)
Zeit (from Zeit)
Atem (from Atem)
Green Desert (from Green Desert)
Genesis (from Electronic Meditation)
CD 2
Alpha Centauri (from Alpha Centauri)
Astral Voyager (from Green Desert)
Wahn (from Atem)
Circulation Of Events ( Atem)
Nebulous Dawn
Nebulous Dawn: never released. Before only in 3 boots singles.
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
I can still remember watching Carl Sagan's PBS series 'Cosmos' when I was
just a kid in grade 3. It got me interested in astronomy, and the
soundtrack album introduced me to Vangelis, Synergy and other makers of
electronic music. (BTW..has anyone managed to find a copy of this
out-of-print CD?) But until today, I hadn't realized that the origianl
broadcast of the series back in 1980 also incorporated
previously-released music by Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and Edgar
Froese.
The pieces used were:
Show #3:
DRUNKEN MOZART IN THE DESERT from STUNTMAN, Edgar Froese (< 1 min.)
Show #4:
DALIESQUE SLEEP FUSE, Edgar Froese
Show #5:
TROPIC OF CAPRICORN fr. AGES, Edgar Froese
EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE, Edgar Froese
Show #9:
MAROUBRA BAY fr. EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE, Edgar Froese
TIMEWIND, Klaus Schulze
Show #10:
METROPOLIS fr. AGES, Edgar Froese
Show #11:
MAROUBRA BAY fr. EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE, Edgar Froese
RUBYCON, PART I, Tangerine Dream
It seems that the Turner Broadcasting re-broadcast and the Home Video
versions of the series use different music cues. Check it out on this
webpage:
http://www.britax.co.uk/britax/rmn-faq/cosmos.txt
-Sean Montgomery
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Really-From: AOutland@a...
Speaking of movies, TD plans to release the soundtrack to Red Heat,
right? So, when it comes on the tv, I rush to record it and in the opening
credits it says the music is by some guy named James Horner whoever he is.
What gives? Dell
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
The one scored by James Horner is the one with Arnold Muscehead and
Jim Belushi.
The one scored by TD stars mostly unknowns: it's about a guy who
goes to Hollywood to become an actor and doesn't get too far.
-- Steven Feldman
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> So, when it comes on the tv, I rush to record it and in the opening
> credits it says the music is by some guy named James Horner whoever he is.
James Horner recently did the soundtrack for another film you may know
called 'Titanic' :-)
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
That's funny my copy of RED HEAT is a women in prison flick with Linda Blair
and it has a score by TD. I have the video and it is a lot like 3 Oclock High
with a lot of cues and stings and not many long passages.I don't know what you
speak of Steve.
Chris
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The one scored by James Horner is the one with Arnold Muscehead and
Jim Belushi.
The one scored by TD stars mostly unknowns: it's about a guy who
goes to Hollywood to become an actor and doesn't get too far.
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: To Doubting Thomases: KEEP It Up! :(
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:15:00 -0500 you said:
>Subject: Re: Faithful Soundtracks? and The Keep, Sh-meep!!
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: 'Craig Shipley'
>
>What would happen if this ephemeral 1984 LP of The Keep ever does surface
>and it doesn't sound exactly like the music from the film? Will the wine
>from this Holy Grail still taste as sweet as expected? [. . .]
>[. . .] (Rhetorical question, don't care whether or not Person A had no
>money, etc.) Why have there been no further sightings? [. . .]
Sure.
>[. . .] (Personally, I don't think that the LP ever will surface, 13
>years after it supposed release.
Hey, I'm about the biggest Doubting Thomas you'll ever meet, so if
*I* can hold on, you can. ;) (I have the advantage of knowing for a
fact that the record exists--unlike most of you poor schlubs.)
>With all of the TD fans that have passed through this list and from the
>Web site, all that has ever been 'proven' is that a tiny handful of
>folks have 'seen/held/drooled on' this LP; why in the Hell did none of
>them ever BUY it when they had the chance?
Hey, it sure is easy to be glib in hindsight, isn't it? Do you have
precognitive powers, or something that you can tell in advance when
something will and will not be hard to find?
I was a fucking dishwasher at the time. Every TD purchase I made
cut into my rent and food money. Is that clear enough? I also could
have bought QUINOA when it came out, and the first KLEM CD, and the A
TIME FOR HEROES CD, too, since I had the mailing addresses when they were
first released. Back when QUINOA came out, $30 was a lot for a CD, and
re KLEM--with overseas post, it would cost nearly the same, and the case
with A TIME FOR HEROES was $15 for a CD-single! :( The only big price
I laid out in those days was for a hardcover copy of VOICES IN THE DUNES.
I seem to recall that at least one other person on this list who
missed out on buying THE KEEP the week it came out did so because he,
too, didn't have the money. Guess why I have yet to buy a copy of
ELECTRONIC ORGY!
This argument that because no one on the web or the 'net has a copy
of THE KEEP means no one does is a bunch of crap. The people on the web
and net are either spoiled little shits or deluded to the point that they
think that 'everybody' is in cyberspace. Well, guess what? The United
States is 60% functionally illiterate, and is #50 (with #1 being the best
and #50 being prett bad) in world literacy, so I guess that means that
not 'everybody' is on-fucking-line, now, doesn't it?
Sorry, but this myopia from computer geeks really gets on my tits.
Finally, someone on this list claimed about 3 three years ago that
a friend of his sold his copy of THE KEEP to a collector in Japan for
$200. Just because *you* didn't get to see it and play it doesn't make
it untrue. Do you have to hear a tree fall in the forest a hemisphere
away to know that it fell?
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> James Horner recently did the soundtrack for another film you may know
> called 'Titanic' :-)
>
>
> SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
>
> T O P I X / Mad Dog
> http://www.topix.com/~sean
Him and Celine Deon and driving me nuts.
'Rose you will die a little old lady.'
arrrgh!!!!
Greg H.
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
More importantly James Horner scored numerous Roger Corman films, my personal
favorite being that kickass Magnificent Seven rip off in space 'Battle Beyond
The Stars' a most sweeping score. I am commonly found CRANKING the LP till the
crackles fill the neighborhood.Nothing like Johnboy and our man from U.N.C.L.E.
to save the day (not to mention good ol Hannibal) Listening Dano? Availibility
on cd????
Chris
n.p. 'Cat People' Giorgio rocks on
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> So, when it comes on the tv, I rush to record it and in the opening
> credits it says the music is by some guy named James Horner whoever he is.
James Horner recently did the soundtrack for another film you may know
called 'Titanic' :-)
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
I hereby pledge to tape Electronic Orgy Disc one for Mr. Feldman. I hope a
taper for 2,3,and 4 will step forward so we can show the web what love is. I
also hereby pledge to pay the sum of 500.00 for a copy of THE KEEP on lp (
which isn't saying much cuz I payed 200.00 for a warped copy of Shogun Assassin
four months ago-talk about a kickass theme).Actually Mr. Feldman's dishwasher
story rang true , cuz I missed out on the symphonic score to HEAVY METAL on
vinyl cuz I was a 12 year old schoolkid with a RadioShack portable 45 player...
Can't we all just get along?
Chris
n.p. Star Wars Disco .....don't put down MECO!
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>Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:15:00 -0500 you said:
>Subject: Re: Faithful Soundtracks? and The Keep, Sh-meep!!
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: 'Craig Shipley'
>
>What would happen if this ephemeral 1984 LP of The Keep ever does surface
>and it doesn't sound exactly like the music from the film? Will the wine
>from this Holy Grail still taste as sweet as expected? [. . .]
>[. . .] (Rhetorical question, don't care whether or not Person A had no
>money, etc.) Why have there been no further sightings? [. . .]
Sure.
>[. . .] (Personally, I don't think that the LP ever will surface, 13
>years after it supposed release.
Hey, I'm about the biggest Doubting Thomas you'll ever meet, so if
*I* can hold on, you can. ;) (I have the advantage of knowing for a
fact that the record exists--unlike most of you poor schlubs.)
>With all of the TD fans that have passed through this list and from the
>Web site, all that has ever been 'proven' is that a tiny handful of
>folks have 'seen/held/drooled on' this LP; why in the Hell did none of
>them ever BUY it when they had the chance?
Hey, it sure is easy to be glib in hindsight, isn't it? Do you have
precognitive powers, or something that you can tell in advance when
something will and will not be hard to find?
I was a fucking dishwasher at the time. Every TD purchase I made
cut into my rent and food money. Is that clear enough? I also could
have bought QUINOA when it came out, and the first KLEM CD, and the A
TIME FOR HEROES CD, too, since I had the mailing addresses when they were
first released. Back when QUINOA came out, $30 was a lot for a CD, and
re KLEM--with overseas post, it would cost nearly the same, and the case
with A TIME FOR HEROES was $15 for a CD-single! :( The only big price
I laid out in those days was for a hardcover copy of VOICES IN THE DUNES.
I seem to recall that at least one other person on this list who
missed out on buying THE KEEP the week it came out did so because he,
too, didn't have the money. Guess why I have yet to buy a copy of
ELECTRONIC ORGY!
This argument that because no one on the web or the 'net has a copy
of THE KEEP means no one does is a bunch of crap. The people on the web
and net are either spoiled little shits or deluded to the point that they
think that 'everybody' is in cyberspace. Well, guess what? The United
States is 60% functionally illiterate, and is #50 (with #1 being the best
and #50 being prett bad) in world literacy, so I guess that means that
not 'everybody' is on-fucking-line, now, doesn't it?
Sorry, but this myopia from computer geeks really gets on my tits.
Finally, someone on this list claimed about 3 three years ago that
a friend of his sold his copy of THE KEEP to a collector in Japan for
$200. Just because *you* didn't get to see it and play it doesn't make
it untrue. Do you have to hear a tree fall in the forest a hemisphere
away to know that it fell?
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In a message dated 98-02-13 19:47:12 EST, you write:
<< Finally, someone on this list claimed about 3 three years ago that
a friend of his sold his copy of THE KEEP to a collector in Japan for
$200. Just because *you* didn't get to see it and play it doesn't make
it untrue. Do you have to hear a tree fall in the forest a hemisphere
away to know that it fell? >>
i swear on my mother's grave that if i ever find this god damn release i will
buy it and personally drive it to ur house and give it to you...and then ill
deduct it from my taxes as charity...
searchin'
tom w
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At 07:42 PM 2/13/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
>
>
>That's funny my copy of RED HEAT is a women in prison flick with Linda
Blair and it has a score by TD. I have the video and it is a lot like 3
Oclock High with a lot of cues and stings and not many long passages.I
don't know what you speak of Steve.
>Chris
>
>----------
>
>
> The one scored by James Horner is the one with Arnold Muscehead and
>Jim Belushi.
> The one scored by TD stars mostly unknowns: it's about a guy who
>goes to Hollywood to become an actor and doesn't get too far.
>
> -- Steven Feldman
Chris and Steve..
Before you guys go to the mat.....
There REALLY ARE two movies named RED HEAT. Since the copyright laws don't
recognize MOVIE TITLES, there could be 50 movies named RED HEAT (I can't
imagine why!!!). The TD scored RH is a 'B' movie about a women's prison.
The Horner RH was a reasonably successful police 'action' film. The latter
is still around on Video....don't know about the former.
jp
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In a message dated 98-02-13 20:27:11 EST, you write:
<< I hope a taper for 2,3,and 4 will step forward so we can show the web what
love is. >>
tell him to join the tape tree...we'll probably get to that one too....btw,
last call for one and two is sunday, midnight...structure is basically
complete, its very workable, and easy...ive got a bit of a conundrum with u
digital-heads, but, if u dont mind trans-atlantic meanderings ur set...again,
this is a nice and easy way to augment ur collections, meet new friends, spend
little money, etc, so, sign on up....
dub on,
tom w
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$500 for my copy of the KEEP LP? Let me tell you where to send the
check...David
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> The one scored by James Horner is the one with Arnold Muscehead and
> Jim Belushi.
> The one scored by TD stars mostly unknowns: it's about a guy who
> goes to Hollywood to become an actor and doesn't get too far.
>
> -- Steven Feldman
Oops, lemme correct ya there Stevo. Red Nights is the movie you are
reffering to. Linda Blair stars (butt nekid!) in Red Heat, a movie about
an american who gets kidnapped and.....oh...hell...it's a women's prison
flick with lots of catfights, taters & stuff!
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In a message dated 98-02-13 20:53:22 EST, you write:
<< it's a women's prison
flick with lots of catfights, taters & stuff!
>>
What's a tater? They have potato fights? Just wondering..David
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Okay, I may get pinched for saying this...but who gives a shit about The
Keep anymore!!!!!????? The score wasn't THAT great!!!!! The music is
already mostly available on other releases!!! The movie basically was
more boring than ANYTHING Carpenter or Romero has ever put out! There is
NOTHING more to say about this movie or it's soundtrack!! I can't take
deleting the endless, mindless postings about this piece of shit movie!
No offense Steve...but hell...open your own damn list and discuss ONLY
the Keep! You'd be in your own little heaven! You NEVER EVER have
anything else to say other than keep this keep that! Okay, I'm done
wigging...this is only my opinion of course heh heh. I'm sure there is
at least one other person who loves reading over & over about a film
which bombed at the box office that most humans have forgotten about or
never even knew about. Let it go buddy, let it go! You have to get on
with your life! You can do it! Heh heh.
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Dano (who's starting to wonder if Steve has 'The Keep' tattooed on his
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> > So, when it comes on the tv, I rush to record it and in the opening
> > credits it says the music is by some guy named James Horner whoever he is.
Whoever he is!?!? This tells me you don't get out much or pay attention
heh. He's scored many films including Krull, Star Trek 2, Aliens,
Willow, Commando, Brainstorm, Braveheart and most recently of course,
the OST for Titanic which has outsold every other record this year.
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Here Dano take these....OOOOO...Five Valiums ought to do it....David
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>Really-From: 'John M. Poer'
>There REALLY ARE two movies named RED HEAT. Since the copyright laws don't
>recognize MOVIE TITLES, there could be 50 movies named RED HEAT (I can't
>imagine why!!!). The TD scored RH is a 'B' movie about a women's prison.
>The Horner RH was a reasonably successful police 'action' film. The latter
>is still around on Video....don't know about the former.
Actually, I just saw the TD scored version of RED HEAT for rent at my
local blockbuster... I was looking for HEAT, by Michael Mann, and they
found this one in the search...
- jimbo
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> That's funny my copy of RED HEAT is a women in prison flick with Linda Blair
and it has a score by TD. I have the video and it is a lot like 3 Oclock High
with a lot of cues and stings and not many long passages.I don't know what you
speak of Steve.
> Chris
>
Hey Chris....you own this film too? Heh heh heh, now why would you own
this film? Oh yeah, TD does the music heh heh.
Dano
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In a message dated 98-02-12 21:36:07 EST, you write:Jim Moore
<< I'm going to have to find the book to understand this movie better,
I've decided.) >>
The book is better than the movie but that is usually the case. It has
been many years since I read it, but I can remember not being able to put it
down and being absolutely horrified by events that the movie, with all it's
darkness and special effects could not recreate. (Yes, because of all the talk
here I finally managed to track the video down and watch it.) A lot is left
out and a lot seems to have been changed about the character of the villain: I
seem to remember he was a vampire which would explain two things: his
tenderness for the lady (isn't this the usual thing?) and the fact that in the
book the dead soldiers would be discovered with mud on their boots from
digging for the talisman (a fact totally ignored in the movie I believe-I only
watched it once unfortunately).
As for what music I heard, the opening sounds with the trucks pulling up
to the village in the rain was fantastic, but I was totally put off by using
Logos while the two soldiers pried off the silver cross and discovered the
passage etc. Just didn't seem to fit the menace of the occasion. Too peppy. I,
too, found the movie to be jerky and unexplained as if whole scenes had been
cut out which no doubt they had.
Frankly, I am looking forward to the release of The Keep TD album, not
for its faithfulness to the movie but for the fact that, what pieces I have
heard are really good. Dell
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I have heard from one source that there is a promo CD issue of 'A Time for
Heroes' that actually has promo information printed on the CD. I guess the
CD has a promo statement in blue ink, maybe even a different sleeve?
Does anyone have this or know anything about this release? Any information
will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Vic
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>Really-From: Steven Feldman
[...]This argument that because no one on the web or the 'net has a copy
>of THE KEEP means no one does is a bunch of crap. The people on the web
>and net are either spoiled little shits or deluded to the point that [...]
Watch you language and your facts my friend :-) You just responded to the
list about 'RED HEAT' incorrectly, so I may wonder about some of the other
(deluded) facts...? ;-)
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Vic, your tapes are going out this weekend. Sorry about the delay. I bombed
a midterm on Thursday, though, so you may relish that.
E-Man
np: Johansson Brothers/Allan Holdsworth: *Heavy Machinery* (amazing stuff)
> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>
> I have heard from one source that there is a promo CD issue of 'A Time
for
> Heroes' that actually has promo information printed on the CD. I guess
the
> CD has a promo statement in blue ink, maybe even a different sleeve?
>
> Does anyone have this or know anything about this release? Any
information
> will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Vic
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At 06:53 PM 2/13/1998 -0800, you wrote:
>Really-From: DJS
>> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>>
>> The one scored by James Horner is the one with Arnold Muscehead and
>> Jim Belushi.
>> The one scored by TD stars mostly unknowns: it's about a guy who
>> goes to Hollywood to become an actor and doesn't get too far.
>>
>> -- Steven Feldman
>
>
>Oops, lemme correct ya there Stevo. Red Nights is the movie you are
>reffering to. Linda Blair stars (butt nekid!) in Red Heat, a movie about
>an american who gets kidnapped and.....oh...hell...it's a women's prison
>flick with lots of catfights, taters & stuff!
>
>Dano
>
From the Martin & Porter 'Video Movie Guide'
Page 140---Red Heat (1988) Dir: Walter Hill, CAST: Arnold Schwarzenegger,
James Belushi, Peter Boyle, Ed O'Ross, Larry Fishburne, Gina Gershon,
Richard Bright. Director Walter Hill has taken his biggest hit '48 Hours',
and reworked it as a vehicle for Arnold and James. Big Arnold plays a
Soviet police officer force to team up with a wise-cracking Chicago cop
(Belushi) to track down a Russian drug dealer (O'Ross). It's fast and
exciting; a best bet for action buffs. Rated R for violence, profanity, and
nudity. 1988;107m. (Music by James Horner)
Page 972---Red Heat (1985) Dir: Robert Collector CAST: Linda Blair, Sylvia
Kristel, William Ostrander, Sue Kiel. Linda Blair goes to Germany to see
her fiance, who is stationed at a military base. She is mistakenly arrested
as a spy and sentenced to prison. Lurid and excessively violent. 1985;
104m. (Music by Tangerine Dream)
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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> > That's funny my copy of RED HEAT is a women in prison flick with Linda
Blair and it has a score by TD. I have the video and it is a lot like 3
Oclock High with a lot of cues and stings and not many long passages.I
don't know what you speak of Steve.
> > Chris
> >
>
> Hey Chris....you own this film too? Heh heh heh, now why would you own
> this film? Oh yeah, TD does the music heh heh.
>
> Dano
TD scored a movie like that?!!! I think I saw that one late night on HBO,
but that was before I was into TD. Was it 'Conan the Barbarian' that TD
objected to because they 'didn't agree' with the movie's storyline and/or
concepts? I think 'Conan' would have a bigger cult following than 'Red
Heat' as I guess most people watching 'Red Heat' would be distracted by
other things than music :)
Greg H.
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> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
> >
> > Oldfield obviously has $$, and *has* made a living from his music. I
don't
> > get why some artists milk a good thing. At least TD didn't try to put
out
> > FORCE MAJUERE II in the late 80s/early 90s and leave a classic album in
> > shambles. I did ilke 'Stratosfear 1995,' though.
> >
> > E-Man
> >
>
> Well, they did do a Dream Mixes II...;)
>
> (though it's debatable whether it'll ever be as classic as _Force
> Majeure_)
DM II will be right up there with Atem, hehe...
> As for Strato '95, I guess I like it too...but I do wish they had
> preserved more of the structure of the original 'Stratosfear' in it.
>
> I'd like to know if this is why TD never sticks with one style for too
> long, though...you might be on to something here, Eli!
70s synths required more figurative *manhandling,* and TD's styles were
changing by the album in those days, instead of getting stale from
Rockoon-to-present. Craig Cordrey had a cool post recently where he termed
each of TD's first six albums with a different description, e.g. Green
Desert: 'krautrock w/ electronics,' etc. With GC, TD's getting dangerously
close to 'Adult Contemporary [Instrumental].' Just my HO.
E-Man
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I think 'Conan' would have a bigger cult following than 'Red
> Heat' as I guess most people watching 'Red Heat' would be distracted by
> other things than music :)
>
> Greg H.
Yeah, like Linda Blair's saggy taters & oh hey, wasn't Edgar in this
film? I think he was at the film's end when they leave east Berlin. He
was handing out Poland concert CD's or something.
Dano
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Yep... it's for real. There is a track 'from the forthcoming album' on
theThe Essential Mike Oldfield compilation.
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Date: Sat Feb 14, 1998 1:05
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Subject: D: Schulze
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Really-From: 'FREDERIC YARGUI'
Hello TaDre@m..., and especially Vic,
I think you omitted to mention that Schulze was co-writer of
FSOL's Omnipresence.
It is written in the CD 'LifeForms' (Virgin, 1994)
The samples are recognizable... so, I think it is the same
Schulze...
Hope that serves...
Fred
PS : may I say this about my f@v... Schulze :-))
Albums I think clever and I always enjoy listening any track:
Dune, Angst, Inter*face, Dreams
Albums 'ambient' I wouldn't listen to every day but twice a year
is reasonable:
Sci Fi PArty, Timewind, Moondawn, Drive Inn, Entrance
Albums I find boring 'cause it repeats the same thing or the same
mood :
Cosmic jokers, Mirage, Dig it (except track 1 I like very much),
Audentity (except Spielglocken I like v m)
Dziekuje Poland, Babel (except if it plays a
no-longer-than-10-minute excerpt)
Miditeranean Pads, Dresden Perf. ; Beyond Recall, Royal Festival
Hall vol 1 (except an excerpt of fire riser that is well)
le moulin de Daudet, Live 79, 76&79 (disappointing)
(Thanks for reading :-))
One thing I don't understand is that KS himself says his music is
not finished and that's he wants it to be. IMHO, music that is not
finished is not a sellable product. You can't play real live music
that is not finished (although there must be several kinds of
public, see note -1-). You can product tons of unfinished music,
it's very easy. Improvisation can make unfinished music, with
minimal means (sequencers...) You must have the ability to improve
'simple' improvisation sequences/bass
lines/melodies/harmonies/percus/etc in order to make true
(complex) music.
I gave up buying KS albums because of that. I always looked for
material that would go behind Inter*Face and Dreams, but I was
always disappointed. I can't say I am a KS fan. I don't understand
his way of thinking music.
On the contrary, I understand the way TD evolved, or with less
pretention, I can listen to every TD album (if you omit
'Electronic Meditation' and 'Alpha centauri') without depressing.
(Note : That's why I'm on this list).
note 1 : Do you know Robert Fripp's 'Frippertronics' or
'Soundscapes'. In the booklet, he says that the public that wasn't
prepared to the kind of music left the concert. This music sounds
strange, but is more structurated than repetitive. You must get
used to dissonnances... Some tracks are very hard (depressing!
STOP!!) but you know, RF is a tourmented character ; I like his
philosophy (read the booklets) about the world (Let the power
fall) music copyrights (any discipline record) the way he related
his mother's death (a bleesing of tears) deeply touched me. I
don't agree / understand when KS writes 'I'm not a poet, but a
musician' (Mirage).
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In a message dated 98-02-13 20:52:34 EST, you write:
<< $500 for my copy of the KEEP LP? Let me tell you where to send the
check...David
>>
what do u think people? 5 bucks a head to put feldman out of his misery?
tom w
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The movie basically was
more boring than ANYTHING Carpenter or Romero has ever put out!
Dano-I think I like too much stuff cuz I love this Keep movie. Now Starman on
the other hand.....and don't even ask me about 'Jack's Wife' by Romero.Yes the
Keep was a flawed film but I think it was the studio like a few others on the
list here. Oh and by the way Dave if you are kidding ( and I guess you are-or
that would have been a private post) may Molasar give you a big wet one! Oh and
by the way Dan, have you ever seen Chained Heat-of course you have.Linda Blair
in a catsuit with a crossbow...hubba, hubba!!! I hereby pledge to drive to
every listmembers house with my copy of the Keep lp (if I ever get one) and
show them ALL it personally, let them caress the vinyl, let them smell the
lacquer, let them make a copy -they will have record players if they are true
TD fans....etc,etc,etc.
Chris
NP -Linda's Blairs naked Taters
next batter-Tom and Pammy Lee
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In a message dated 98-02-14 07:39:00 EST, you write:
<< Oh and by the way Dave if you are kidding ( and I guess you are-or that
would have been a private post) >>
I would not kid about something this serious. I'm just glad that someone
finally acknowledged something I said...David
n.p...TD..Melrose (giving it one more chance)
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>Really-From: KRAUSENECKS >The movie basically was
> >more boring than ANYTHING Carpenter or Romero has ever put out!
>Dano-I think I like too much stuff cuz I love this Keep movie. Now Starman
on the other >hand.....and don't even ask me about 'Jack's Wife' by
Romero.Yes the Keep was a flawed film >but I think it was the studio like a
few others on the list here.
Dano's just cramped because Steven wasn't writing mini-bibles about [Dan's
fave flick] Phantasm and *it's* score by Fred Myrow. Steven, you also need
to get writing about Altered States and Blade Runner. Don't forget Hell
Comes To Frogtown, either :-)
E-Man
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In a message dated 98-02-14 10:28:46 EST, you write:
<< Don't forget Hell
Comes To Frogtown, either :-)
E-Man
>>
Didn't Wendy/Walter Carlos do that soundtrack?....David
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Subject: RE: Analogue space years
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Really-From: Aured Azhallein Rancuel
>Nebulous Dawn
>Nebulous Dawn: never released. Before only in 3 boots singles.
?!!?? - Nebulous Dawn is listed as track 3 on my CD of Zeit,
unless this is a different song with the same name I think
it has been released.
-Scott
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Subject: Re: Red Heat-James Horner & TD..was Re: KEEP
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In a message dated 98-02-13 21:07:10 EST, you write:Dano
<< James Horner whoever he is.
Whoever he is!?!? This tells me you don't get out much >>
Busted! You're right, I don't get out much. Just work and read tadream
email about the Keep (LOL). I have seen the Titanic, but didn't pay much
attention to the music. That's the difference with TD music. I am usually so
into their music I have to watch a movie three times to catch up with the
plot. Well, now I know who James Horner is, thanks, but the movie was awful.
Dell PS: I did my best to cover all the subjects on the above header: did I do
good? 8-) D
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Subject: Re: The Keep...who gives a flying f%$*!!
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Has anyone ever seen an actual release of 'The Soldier' soundtrack???
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Subject: RED HEAT
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Really-From: 'Craig Shipley'
I was able to tape a copy of the TD scored RED HEAT off of Showtime back in
'91 or '92, maybe earlier than that. Music was OK, the movie was kind of a
Commie 'Women In Cell Block 9' thinggy, with some Rambo-ish moments. Yeah,
Linda Blair was exposed in all her glory (?), along with some other bad-ass
chicks. Watched it once.
I think the one about the two guys go to Hollywood was called Red NIGHTS.
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Date: Sat Feb 14, 1998 10:16
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Subject: TD email NEWS in Spanish
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I make a little Newsletter in Spanish in email format .
If there interest so let me know , jupe@c...
Dream on !!!!
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Date: Sun Feb 15, 1998 1:32
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Subject: Tenchi Muyo Promo Poster
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Hi all
Just found a few copies of Tenchi Muyo cartoon colour promo poster (with
'Not For Sale' printed on top right corner). Size similar to the 220 Volt
Live or recent UK Tournado posters. Anybody interested please contact me
off-list for a swap for similar paper material.
Jeffrey
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Subject: Ultima Thule, Electronic Orgy
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Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn)
Hello,
I received my Electronic Orgy on Thursday and have listened to it
all the way through that day. I had the day off luckily, so when I got
the mail, I had a day with this excellent album, thanks to the tip from
Dano & Super Collector. I highly recommend this release, even though
it is a bootleg.
About Ultima Thule, I didn't expect this track to be worth a squat,
because of people saying it was just a free for all of radical electric
guitar and drums. I don't find that to be the case. It has a proper
structure to the song, and I really enjoy the Mellotron alot. This
piece would fit nicely on Atem or Alpha Centauri. The first part on
Alpha Centauri, the 2nd part on Atem more. The 1st part even reminds
me of one of the songs on Alpha Centauri. This song reminds me of King
Crimson a lot as well. Too bad this song couldn't be released as bonus
tracks on one of the CD's, it would be great to hear this in a
remastered form. Anyway if Tangerine Dream admirers get the chance, to
pick up Electronic Orgy I would go ahead and do it, the price is not
bad, the quality is very good. Thanks for everyone who gave a review
of the album, it made me make a purchase I'm happy with.
Take care,
Martyn
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> Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn)
>
> About Ultima Thule, I didn't expect this track to be worth a squat,
> because of people saying it was just a free for all of radical electric
> guitar and drums. I don't find that to be the case. It has a proper
> structure to the song, and I really enjoy the Mellotron alot. This
wow....another dude who likes 'Ultima Thule,' too. :-)
E-Man
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Subject: VA: Area 51 - The Roswell Incident
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Really-From: Vic Rek
OK, I got my copy in so I'll make a short report for those interested:
(Note: Steven Feldman, you must get this!-)
Various Artists: Area 51 - The Roswell Incident 'Special 50th Anniversary'
US Cleopatra/Blue Pyramid CLP 0172-2, 2 CDs in foldout digipak, 1998
TD appears on track 2 Disc 2 with 'Sunrise in the Third System'.
Other artists include (but not complete):
Pressurehead, Hawkwind, Brainticket, Guru Guru, Gong, Amon Duul, The Brain,
Nik Turner, Spiral Realms, Anubian Lights, Holger Czukay, etc...
The foldout digipak shows photos from the alien investigations from Roswell
New Mexico, NOT Roswell Georgia where I live and so many mistake me as some
UFO wannabe fan. :-)
I got it on sale today at Tower Records. Also, please don't confuse this
with a PUNK compilation called 'AREA 51'.
Vic
NP: Adelbert von Deyen - Atmosphere
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Hate to burst your bubble,but that TD track is on Zeit. Tom
In a message dated 98-02-13 16:00:39 EST, you write:
<< Nebulous Dawn
Nebulous Dawn: never released. Before only in 3 boots singles.
>>
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Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy
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Hi,
Could someone please reply with (preferably the answer I'd like to hear)
whether or not there are any remaining copies of Elec. Orgy out there and
where to acquire it.
I's appreciate it.
BDuke25@A...
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Subject: D:List, Addendum Week 1 - 15 Feb, 1998
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
As you may recall, in order to allow the tape trees to distribute the
material in time for the D:Live discussions, it was decided to run a D:List,
addendum. The schedule is as follows.
Feb 15 OST: Oasis (all versions: TDI, Miramar, & Video)
Feb 22 world tour cd 1997 / das maedchen auf der treppe
March 1 Tournado
March 8 OST: Jim and Pablo: Der Meteor
March 15 Ambient Monkeys
March 22 Timesquare
By this time, the tape trees should have succesfully disributed the live
material required for the first few weeks of D:Live.
So, this week we would like to hear comments on the OST: Oasis, (all
formats). Please make the subject D:Oasis when replying.
Reminders for subsequent weeks will be posted on Fri/Sat in order to allow
dreamers time to listen to the music prior to discussion.
Lawry
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At 08:16 PM 2/14/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
>> Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn)
>>
>> About Ultima Thule, I didn't expect this track to be worth a squat,
>> because of people saying it was just a free for all of radical electric
>> guitar and drums. I don't find that to be the case. It has a proper
>> structure to the song, and I really enjoy the Mellotron alot. This
>
>wow....another dude who likes 'Ultima Thule,' too. :-)
I'd never heard Ultima Thule in my life. I LOVE IT!
It's funny to listen to Electronic Orgy, 80% of which I had never heard
before, and find out just how much TD recycled their music. Horns of Doom
is the rhythm line of the last track on Poland, but with totally different
melody.
I was surprised that they put the special editions of Graffiti Street,
Phaedra, and Oriental Haze. I would have much preferred if they had
included the Logotype's material on this collection. Or even better, that
rare Jan 30th, 1980 14 minute long encore after the 'Quichotte' (sorry for
the spelling) concerts. (I got em both, but for those ppl who didn't have
them...)
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Subject: Re: Ultima Thule, Electronic Orgy
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> Really-From: feldon@p...
>
> >> About Ultima Thule, I didn't expect this track to be worth a
squat,
> >> because of people saying it was just a free for all of radical
electric
> >> guitar and drums. I don't find that to be the case. It has a proper
> >> structure to the song, and I really enjoy the Mellotron alot. This
> >
> >wow....another dude who likes 'Ultima Thule,' too. :-)
>
> I'd never heard Ultima Thule in my life. I LOVE IT!
[Sylvester Stallone] 'You're a good citizen!' I liked Thule ever since I
heard it on a rarities tape Dan gave me eight years ago. That was only Part
One, though. Now I can listen to both.
> It's funny to listen to Electronic Orgy, 80% of which I had never heard
> before, and find out just how much TD recycled their music. Horns of Doom
> is the rhythm line of the last track on Poland, but with totally
different
> melody.
Actually, 'Horns of Doom,' in the version you hear on
Orgy/KLEM-Jubileumcassette, comes right off the 1980 (etc.) Brussels
concert. It's much better to listen to it as the finale of an unabridged
'Silver Scale.'
> rare Jan 30th, 1980 14 minute long encore after the 'Quichotte' (sorry
for
> the spelling) concerts. (I got em both, but for those ppl who didn't have
^^^^^^^^
You spelled 'Quichotte' right. I've never seen anyone spell it 'kwichet.'
E-Man
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I just got my copy of Electronic Orgy yesterday, and I must say that whoever
put this project together did a great job, the sound is great.
As a matter of fact I think TD should hire these guys to remaster some of
their old albums, specially Rubycon, perhaps that's the reason why I have
never liked that album despite what other list members think, every time I put
it on I get pisssed off, there is so much hiss that after a short while I
can't stand it anymore. And have three copies of the damm thing, the USA
Virgin LP, the promo LP and the Virgin USA CD.
Now that I think about it the promo LP is the one with the less hiss,
perhaps I should give this album another chance?
chao Marcelo G.
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>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>Actually, 'Horns of Doom,' in the version you hear on
>Orgy/KLEM-Jubileumcassette, comes right off the 1980 (etc.) Brussels
>concert. It's much better to listen to it as the finale of an unabridged
>'Silver Scale.'
Or the Santa Monica concert, or many other concerts from the
1980 tour? Hmmm... Was TD being as consistant on their set lists
in 1980 as they were in 1997? Interesting...
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>I just got my copy of Electronic Orgy yesterday, and I must say that
whoever
>put this project together did a great job, the sound is great.
>As a matter of fact I think TD should hire these guys to remaster some of
>their old albums, specially Rubycon, perhaps that's the reason why I have
>never liked that album despite what other list members think, every time I
put
>it on I get pisssed off, there is so much hiss that after a short while I
>can't stand it anymore. And have three copies of the damm thing, the USA
>Virgin LP, the promo LP and the Virgin USA CD.
>Now that I think about it the promo LP is the one with the less hiss,
>perhaps I should give this album another chance?
-- definitely! ;-) you might try to find the 'definitive edition' sbm
remastering (tand 6); maybe you could work a deal with one of the UK
tadreamers to pick it up for you since it might be difficult to track down
in the states...
lars
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> Really-From: Tdune@a...
[About Rubycon]
> perhaps I should give this album another chance?
Look for the new SBM version, It has a lot less noise and better
sound.
Rubycon is one of the greatest electronic pieces of this century
(IMHO)
---Francisco
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>>>> Rubycon is maybe still my fav tdream lp<<<<<
<<<>>>>
<<<< if any of you kids can remember, its like most albums from that period we
were going through an oil crisis(real or not) and alot of albums were being
pressed on recycled vinal; it sucked, why recycling is great it sucks to
make an album on it !!!!
thats all bye
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Hi Tangerine Dream,
I apologise if I hurt any sensibilities but,
what I REALLY meant was: A MISPRINT ? HAS ANYBODY NOTICED ONE ? GOT ONE
?
or . . . IS MY INTERPRETATION WRONG ?
I would still like to have some feedback . . . but I've gathered
that this is a maillist so . . . HOW CAN I JOIN IN ?
NOT NECESSARILY TO DISCUSS MY BEEPS
BUT, MUSIC - TANGERINE DREAM - MUSIC
Thank you all. Rui Vieira
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In a message dated 98-02-16 06:29:40 EST, you write:
<< HOW CAN I JOIN IN ? >>
Just say whatever you want, as long as it doesn't have to do with THE KEEP.
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Hello TaDreamers,
Was reading Dave Datta's discography and under unreleased soundtracks found
the following movies listed:
The Exorzist
Burning Point Brooklin (?)
Body Body
Das Verbotene Spiel (means 'the prohibited [tabu?] game')
Dead Kids
Ein fuer Allemal (means 'one for all')
Heisser Schnee (means 'hot snow')
Identification of a Woman
Mechanic Thunder (?)
Nightmare City
Ninja
Red Nights (1988)
Spasms
Vampira
Vegetable People Soundtrack (?)
Does anybody out there have the OSTs for any of these? I have heard some
pieces from some of these and was wondering if there is more out there then
2 or 3 minutes worth of music from these movies? Please contact me off list
if you have them and would like to set up a trade.
Thanks,
Frank
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>
> Hello TaDreamers,
>
> Was reading Dave Datta's discography and under unreleased soundtracks
> found
> the following movies listed:
>
> The Exorzist
> Burning Point Brooklin (?)
> Body Body
> Das Verbotene Spiel (means 'the prohibited [tabu?] game')
> Dead Kids
> Ein fuer Allemal (means 'one for all')
> Heisser Schnee (means 'hot snow')
> Identification of a Woman
> Mechanic Thunder (?)
> Nightmare City
> Ninja
> Red Nights (1988)
> Spasms
> Vampira
> Vegetable People Soundtrack (?)
>
> Does anybody out there have the OSTs for any of these? I have heard
> some
> pieces from some of these and was wondering if there is more out there
> then
> 2 or 3 minutes worth of music from these movies? Please contact me
> off list
> if you have them and would like to set up a trade.
>
> Thanks,
> Frank
no, haven't heard about that stuff. but if you'll get info's, please let
me know! Oh, there's one tv-movie missing:
english: The Rainbow Drive
deutsch: Mord am Rainbow Drive
greatful stuff likely 'Livemiles'
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Sorry to send to the list this non-TD message but I tried to send E-mail to
Lars at his compuserve address but it got kicked back, Lars do you still have
the same address if not send me your new address.
Becouse of this I probably missed out on the tape tree?
Chao Marcelo
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In a message dated 98-02-16 03:12:26 EST, you write:
<< Really-From: SRiser3600@a...
>>>> Rubycon is maybe still my fav tdream lp<<<<<
<<<>>>>
<<<< if any of you kids can remember, its like most albums from that period
we
were going through an oil crisis(real or not) and alot of albums were being
pressed on recycled vinal; it sucked, why recycling is great it sucks to
make an album on it !!!!
thats all bye
>>
I don't buy that for the simple reason that the CD is as noisy as the album,
this leads me to believe that the original tape from which the CD was mastered
was hissy.
Marcelo
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thats true.but alot of times the master tapes are also petoleum bassed
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 07:03 PM 2/13/98 -0800, you wrote:
The movie basically was
>more boring than ANYTHING Carpenter or Romero has ever put out!
Ya know, I went out and rented the damn thing b/c of all the ruckus, and I
must say it was such a stinker! It took me 3 tries to watch the whole thing
and I'll watch just about anything.
(who's starting to wonder if Steve has 'The Keep' tattooed on his
>butt)
To say nothing about his 'KEEP' sheets and placemats!
Mike--Keepless and proud of it!
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Subject: Re: Rubycon
I tried finding 'Rubycon' two times..no go. Even trying to find the Virgin Definative Editionthrough special order deemed impossible.Odd.. since I had no problem getting thedefinative 'Encore' 'Tangram' 'White Eagle' and'Logos'
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>I tried finding 'Rubycon' two times..
> no go.
> Even trying to find the Virgin Definative Edition
> through special order deemed impossible.
>
> Odd.. since I had no problem getting the
> definative 'Encore' 'Tangram' 'White Eagle' and
> 'Logos'
>
CDNOW has it listed twice, once as import (Virgin M21638) once not (ALLIANCE).
The aliance version lists two tracks and the virgin only one. Is this the
remastered version?
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In a message dated 98-02-16 13:45:18 EST, you write:
<< Sorry to send to the list this non-TD message but I tried to send E-mail to
Lars at his compuserve address but it got kicked back, Lars do you still have
the same address if not send me your new address.
Becouse of this I probably missed out on the tape tree?
>>
naaa, u probably copied the #s wrong, or used a comma instead of a period, or
did some other wierdness...send me ur info and ill put u on the tree, which,
btw, is now closed...structure will be posted before 17:00 est
tomorrow...happy presidents day...
tom w
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hi marcelo (and anyone else) i'm still here... same bat time, same bat
channel
lars
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that is odd I see rubycon all the time...
What city are you in??
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> Really-From: SRiser3600@aol.com> > > that is odd I see rubycon all the time...> What city are you in??I live in Lake Havasu City, which is a small city in Arizona..I can't find that album anywhere.. not even Pheonix..:( :(I heard that these remakes are 10 to 12 US dollarswhich is a great price..Greg H.
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In a message dated 98-02-16 23:29:21 EST, you write:
<< I heard that these remakes are 10 to 12 US dollars
which is a great price..
Greg H. >>
No, a great price would be 5 dollars. Must we use that terrible gray
background?
It makes the Email very hard to read...David
n.p. TD..Green Desert...awesome freeform
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Just got this from CD Now for any interested:
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Yo!
Does anyone know when the official release of DMII
is?
The web site just says in the first two months..
Any info would be welcome
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> This argument that because no one on the web or the 'net
has a copy
>of THE KEEP means no one does is a bunch of crap. The people
on the web
>and net are either spoiled little shits or deluded to the point
that they
>think that 'everybody' is in cyberspace. Well, guess what?
The United
Dude, have a drink or something. I think the point is, that with
~388 people on the list world wide, and many of them Lars-type
collectors, SOMEONE would have come up with SOMETHING, SOMEWHERE. Which
leads me to an interesting story. . .
This weekend I had the misfortune of going to Gatlinburg,
Tennessee. While my wife & her sister did the tourista thing, my nephew
and I went to Knoxville. Near UTK there was a record/CD store that said
they 'specialize in soundtracks.' I went in, of course, and found they
certainly did specialize in ST's. I found several TD ST's, all of which
I had. He did have a copy of the new Keep, though (the limited edition),
which I found interesting. I asked the proprietor about the LP, and he
said 'Yep, that came out on MCA or somethin' back in '84, I think, but
the company pulled it before it reached the stores. I guess some made it
to the shelves, but I've never seen one. Distribution people probably
got 'em all. You might want to check with MCA.'
The quest for the Holy Grail continues. . .
Scott
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Subject: More Love on Simulated Trains
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Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
I don't know if this was included in Steve's multi-CD set of Risky Business
material (and sound-alikes), but having heard an excerpt of Mandala from
Jerome's recent radio show, I believe this is another candidate for inclusion.
Don't really want to stir up this thread again, but I thought I'd pass it on in
case it's been missed before.
IMO, the Global Communications version sounds closer to this than the original,
although that may be more due to instrumentation than anything else.
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>>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>>Actually, 'Horns of Doom,' in the version you hear on
>>Orgy/KLEM-Jubileumcassette, comes right off the 1980 (etc.)
Brussels
>>concert. It's much better to listen to it as the finale of an
unabridged
>>'Silver Scale.'
>Or the Santa Monica concert, or many other concerts from the
>1980 tour? Hmmm... Was TD being as consistant on their set
lists
>in 1980 as they were in 1997? Interesting...
The setlists were pretty similar, but the jams were different,
different enough to make multiples of 1980 concerts worth getting on
tape. They'd segue into different tunes and for different lengths. I
have one (I forget where) where they go into 'Choronzon' for what seems
like 15 min. It's on Santa Monica.
Scott
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Ill be glad to get you a copy or you can order from cnnow or music blvd
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> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> [...]I asked the proprietor about the LP, and he
> said 'Yep, that came out on MCA or somethin' back in '84, I think, but
> the company pulled it before it reached the stores. I guess some made it
> to the shelves, but I've never seen one. Distribution people probably
> got 'em all. You might want to check with MCA.'
How many times have we heard this story? I mean, I can see myself
telling this to someone else just because so many people have repeated
it and it sounds like a fact. The more this is repeated the more
apparent validity it has. I think that by now some of these LPs (or
even tapes of them) would have 'leaked' out into collector's circles -
still waiting. Where are the tape masters or the test pressings???
Vic
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Subject: thanks
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Thanks to everyone who made comments about the PC.
MJ
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Subject: Re: Tape Tree Structure
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here it is ... if u have any problems, let me know immediately....any
questions, let me know...im only gonna post this once, so dont lose it....get
dubbing....
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Folks,
I never bothered to post the following before, but after the purely
arrogant display of myopic Western philosophy re the existence of the
1984 KEEP LP, I guess I will.
This was one of the replies I got when I placed a $200 want ad for
THE KEEP on cinema-l: (What really makes me laugh is that I have not
only held THE KEEP in my hands, but have done the same with the CHERRY
2000 soundtrack and the DAY OF THE DEAD soundtrack--but I didn't want to
buy those, only to look at the pictures on the covers. Yes, I looked
all three of these 'rarities' over when they first came out.)
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
Subject: Re: THE KEEP soundtrack by Tangerine Dream
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:13:02 GMT
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From: Ellen B. Edgerton
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY (USA)
Z (zak@a...) wrote:
>Jeez, is it extra-rare or something?
You think that's high?? Someone recently paid $2500 for a CD of the
soundtrack to (drum roll, please) CHERRY 2000.
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Subject: F**k Roswell Cash-ins
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 00:01:15 -0500 (EST) you said:
>Subject: Re: VA: Area 51 - The Roswell Incident
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>OK, I got my copy in so I'll make a short report for those interested:
>
>(Note: Steven Feldman, you must get this!-)
>
>Various Artists: Area 51 - The Roswell Incident 'Special 50th Anniversary'
Feh. I'd rather throw $20.00 at Testors' 50th Anniversary model kit
of the Roswell crash ship (which is not 'saucer'-shaped, by the way).
>Other artists include (but not complete):
>Pressurehead, Hawkwind, Brainticket, Guru Guru, Gong, Amon Duul, The
>Brain, Nik Turner, Spiral Realms, Anubian Lights, Holger Czukay, etc...
Nice to see Cleopatra sticking with hyping their own licensees and/
or artists . . . again . . . like nearly every other f***ing label. :(
Oh, and speaking of Roswell and trendiness. Why is it that no one
seems to notice that--episode for episode--the 1990's version of THE
OUTER LIMITS beats the snot out of THE X-FILES almost every time--and
has been doing so for about two years, now!?! Oh, and as for SPHERE: I
saw it today. Lame. WAG THE DOG is a half-assed, mainstream version
of the Tim Robbins one man show BOB ROBERTS; SPHERE is a combination of
Andrei Tarkovski's SOLARIS and EVENT HORIZON (even though Crichton wrote
it before EVENT HORIZON came out). Too bad that, all in all, EVENT
HORIZON was more enjoyable--and less predictable--than SPHERE! :(
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Underwater Aqua
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Maybe this observation has been brought forth before, but for me it's
something new. The observation is the comparison of Edgar's Aqua LP covers.
The US, UK, and Japanese issues are different than the German one.
If you view the German one as having the correct cover, then the rest have a
different cover which is the same as the back of the Aqua German LP turned
upside down. The Vigin CD release has the UK version cover. Also none of the
issues I've seen so far have the same tint of blue. The German issue has
the least blue (more icy) and the US/Japanese issue has a lot more 'blue'
color. Go figure, but it was fun to run across this. BTW, I have a sealed
copy of the UK version if anyone needs to compare :-)
Vic
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Tried accessing Groove Unlimited's web site...it's gone! Tried emailing
Kees....my message bounced back 3 times. Anybody know what's going on?
Thanks.
Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions
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Subject: Re: To Doubting Thomases: KEEP It Up! :(
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>
> > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> > [...]I asked the proprietor about the LP, and he
> > said 'Yep, that came out on MCA or somethin' back in '84, I think, but
> > the company pulled it before it reached the stores. I guess some made it
> > to the shelves, but I've never seen one. Distribution people probably
> > got 'em all. You might want to check with MCA.'
>
> How many times have we heard this story? I mean, I can see myself
> telling this to someone else just because so many people have repeated
> it and it sounds like a fact. The more this is repeated the more
> apparent validity it has. I think that by now some of these LPs (or
> even tapes of them) would have 'leaked' out into collector's circles -
> still waiting. Where are the tape masters or the test pressings???
>
> Vic
It's become a suburban legend...like the story about the two guys who
broke into the house, found the owner's camera, stuck the owner's
toothbrushes up their ass, took a photo with the owners camera, & left.
Well, the owner develops the film and you know the rest heh heh. Did it
actually happen or did the story just travel? I think we really
know....er...don't we? I agree with Vic. As I've always said .....I know
more people in the soundtrack industry (and collectors) than anyone on
this list. I know some of the most complete OST collectors and NONE of
them have EVER seen a Keep LP. Not saying it doesn't exist, I'd have to
be God to say that. I'm saying I'm 99% sure it doesn't. If it did, I'd
have a master at least even if not the LP.
Dano
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> Z (zak@a...) wrote:
>
> >Jeez, is it extra-rare or something?
>
> You think that's high?? Someone recently paid $2500 for a CD of the
> soundtrack to (drum roll, please) CHERRY 2000.
That is a true fact. I even know the guy who paid that price for
Cherry.. That doesnt mean the Keep exists. Also, the guy is a
doctor...as if money were an object heh heh.
Dano
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> Really-From: patricdonaghy@w... (Patric Donaghy)
>
> Tried accessing Groove Unlimited's web site...it's gone! Tried emailing
> Kees....my message bounced back 3 times. Anybody know what's going on?
> Thanks.
>
> Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions
Kees emailed me yesterday stating that his server was messed up. Don't
worry, they just have tech difficulties.
Dano
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Date: Wed Feb 18, 1998 11:45
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Subject: ftp to cs.uwp.edu don't work
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Really-From: Bob Velkov
Hi there!
I can't login as anonymous to the ftp archive place -
cs.uwp.edu/pub/music/artist/t/tangerine.dream/discog
Does anyone know what happened or where is (if any) a new
place with lyrics and musics?
Thanks in advance!
Bob Velkov
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Date: Wed Feb 18, 1998 1:22
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Subject: Cherry 2000 NOTD
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Whats up with Cherry 2000? Is it orchestral or electronic? Just askin.
Chris
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> Z (zak@a...) wrote:
>
> >Jeez, is it extra-rare or something?
>
> You think that's high?? Someone recently paid $2500 for a CD of the
> soundtrack to (drum roll, please) CHERRY 2000.
That is a true fact. I even know the guy who paid that price for
Cherry.. That doesnt mean the Keep exists. Also, the guy is a
doctor...as if money were an object heh heh.
Dano
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Subject: Cost of Electronic Orgy
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Yo dudes,
Can someone tell me if 80 dollars is a fair price for Electronic Orgy?
That price includes p and p to Ireland from the USA. Can anyone supply
it for cheaper??
Thanks in advance,
Conrad Gibbons
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Subject: silver scale = timewind?
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
is it just me or does silver scale (esp. the live versions from 80 & 81
which btw kick butt on the tangents version) seem somewhat reminiscent of
KS' timewind??
lars
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Subject: OK, who's got the best price for _TimeSquare_ ?
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
My appetite's been whetted enough by the sound samples on TD's web page,
and I think I'm ready for more. Seeing as it isn't here yet, I have to
ask some of you good folks either South of the 49th or Across The Pond to
see if you can still track this sucker down. I don't have a credit card
and can't order it from anywhere that might have it.
Can this album be had for $25 U.S. or less (not incl. P&H)?
If you can find it for such a price, please let me know, I'm sure we can
work something out.
thanks,
Gabe
real email address: remove the 'nospam' to get my real address.
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>Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad'
>Can someone tell me if 80 dollars is a fair price for Electronic Orgy?
>That price includes p and p to Ireland from the USA.
The price is pretty good. The set´s worth the money. Period.
Jens
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Subject: Ordering Luminous Visions
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Hey Gang,
Here's the listing CD NOW has on Tang's Luminous Visions. Note that the
listing suggests that this 'Limited Edition' pack includes video and 12-song
cd release.
Tangerine Dream
Luminous Vi*
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Presented by Odyssey - The Mind's Eye.
Lim. edtn. pack w/ vid & 12-song CD soundtrk. Animated organic art &
dig. imagery by Yoichiro Kawaguchi to music by Tangerine Dream. 45 min.
vid. Hi-fi stereo.
SONY DISTRIBUTION SCDR-4014
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BUY IT VHS List Price $ 19.98 CDnow Price $15.99 Expected Release
Date: March 10, 1998.
To check it out, point your brouser at:
http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-
bin/mserver/SID=369076210/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=FRN-
TANGERINE+DREAM/ddcn=MVD-SCDR-4014
They're taking prerelease orders for this, as well as
'69-'73-Analogue Space Years NEW BUY IT CD $20.99
Collection NEW BUY IT CD $ 9.99
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Date: Wed Feb 18, 1998 5:49
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Subject: DMII
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I suspect it will become available when the new TDI link starts
functioning on the tadream page... Remember, some copies are already in
circulation...
MJ
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At 11:13 PM 2/17/98 -0800, Dano wrote:
>That is a true fact. I even know the guy who paid that price for
>Cherry.. That doesnt mean the Keep exists. Also, the guy is a
>doctor...as if money were an object heh heh.
Better start saving those shekel's Steven, some Cardiologist is gonna walk
away with the Keep el-pee, and leave ya in the dust!
Keepless in Seattle
ps-Feldman is right about one thing, Saw a preview screening of
'Sphere'--PEE YUU!!
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Really-From: Andy Bloyce
If anyone, who hasn't mailed me previously, is interested in this 2CD set
with exclusive tracks please mail me off list for details.
I don't wish to clutter this list with a long post so if you would like a
copy of the latest update you know where to come for that too.
Thanks,
Andy
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> Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
>
> Whats up with Cherry 2000? Is it orchestral or electronic? Just askin.
> Chris
>
As 'No Man's Land',it's half & half. The score's not bad but it's
nothing that special. I prefer Conan The Barbarian & Flesh & Blood
myself.
Dan
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> Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad'
>
> Yo dudes,
>
> Can someone tell me if 80 dollars is a fair price for Electronic Orgy?
> That price includes p and p to Ireland from the USA. Can anyone supply
> it for cheaper??
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Conrad Gibbons
Hmm, several people have called me at SC to order this goodie & have put
off sending the cash or the check for various reasons. Be warned, don't
yell at me if I sell your set to someone else because you farted around
getting your money to us. Heh heh. The set is worth it so I suggest you
waste no time before I run out and you have to pay twice theamount for
second hand prices.
Dano
np: nothing
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Subject: Re: GoldTri Vol. 1 - Last Call
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Really-From: Andy Bloyce
>If anyone, who hasn't mailed me previously, is interested in this 2CD set
>with exclusive tracks please mail me off list for details.
>I don't wish to clutter this list with a long post so if you would like a
>copy of the latest update you know where to come for that too.
Folks, Andy is talking about a 2CD set with more than 140 minutes of
almost unreleased stuff from *already known* and *not yet, known*
artists.
For more information, please visit
http://www.ratfink.demon.co.uk/stonker/
For those who aren´t sure, there are some MP3 sound snippets
to be found at http://www.ratfink.demon.co.uk/stonker/sounds.html .
Try 'Flüssiger Vier-Takter' by Under the Dome (aka Grant Middleton).
We all would be more than happy, if Edgar and son would release
something excellent like this in the future! I doubt that though, sadly.
After the weekend a complete tracklist and more information will be added.
Don´t miss it !
Ob: TD:
Most of the contributers were or still are tadream members, some are influenced
by TD and your eyes will pop, if you read some of the names.
There will be tracks from some very well known Tadream members on it. ;-)
Kind Regards
Jens
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Subject: Groove is back (was: Missing In Action)
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At 19:21 17-02-98 -0800, you wrote:
>Really-From: patricdonaghy@w... (Patric Donaghy)
>
>Tried accessing Groove Unlimited's web site...it's gone! Tried emailing
>Kees....my message bounced back 3 times. Anybody know what's going on?
Well after 4 days everything seems normal again. Mail + Web work again.
Resend your Email if you didn't receive an answer on previous Email.
Kees
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Yo man,
> Hmm, several people have called me at SC to order this goodie & have
> put
> off sending the cash or the check for various reasons. Be warned,
> don't
> yell at me if I sell your set to someone else because you farted
> around
> getting your money to us. Heh heh. The set is worth it so I suggest
> you
> waste no time before I run out and you have to pay twice theamount for
> second hand prices.
>
Dano
Chill out my friend. The only reason I asked is because the exchange
rate at the moment means that 80 dollars converts to 60 Irish pounds or
53 quid sterling. So for me, that means £15 per disk. Ayway I agree
they are worth it. Relax, I shall be sending the money (cash rather
than cheque!) today! I'm only interested to find out what my fellow
collectors have paid for an identical item! Is this a crime?
Conrad
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Subject: Re: Cost of Electronic Orgy
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On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Yo dudes,
> Can someone tell me if 80 dollars is a fair price for Electronic Orgy?
> That price includes p and p to Ireland from the USA. Can anyone supply
> it for cheaper??
> Thanks in advance,
> Conrad Gibbons
OH MY GOD ! NO - TAKE IT !!!
Got my copy today from US to Germany. Only one week ! And it is perfect !
4CDs of TD-rarities. I thought, I have all - but failed. On this 4-CD-set
I found approx. 50% tracks I was realy searching for !
Don't ask for a cheaper copy, you'll _never_ get it and you can not get a
better collection. Dano and supercollector did a good job for a good
price !
And the sound quality is fantastic !
A FAN !
Rainer
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Really-From: 'INTELLIGENTSIA (ION MACHINe)'
Greetings.
Just beamed down.
Intros: We are a Tokyo based electronic arts group (futurist group) created
from the U.K.
We run the only electronic music radio show in Tokyo (that we know of):
RADIO UMMO
Which is on Virgin Megastation.
We are looking for any hi-quality electronic music for the show if you know
or have any,
give us a buzz. (We only play unsigned or lesser known acts)
There is a subscribed 400,000 audience for Virgin, Japan.
Secondly we run a Space-art gallery/live space (which looks like the moon
with a circular
glowing crystal stage!)- where electronic artists can play or show their art.
(T-BASS/Mark Shreeves pal is coming over).
In Tokyo, we have a electronica label `UMMO DISCS`, a pro-recording studio
(sponsored)
and two home studios full of synths, electro-drums/vocoders/theremin etc...
And have been synth fanatics for a long time now.
A lot of our work only gets heard in Japan through PC or Playstation games but
we are looking at bringing it out in Europe. 20,000 cds of our totally
unknown music
were sold last year and this year it is over 100,000 but it really means
nothing,
if it is not heard in Europe. Any help there?!?
We have a done a lot of live gigs in London and Tokyo, and have been on
TV,radio,magazines
promoting EM in Tokyo.
One of our music partners has become the top British DJ in Japan (which
ain`t that hard
as there are only about 10) and so that is an avenue for the more clubby
music, although
the techno scene here doesn`t get much of a thumbs up from us. But still is
the BIG thing here.
We are totally dedicated to electronic music and it`s themes, ethics etc.
And certainly never swayed by money or sad pursuits like that.
(most music we sell is non-profit, to the dismay of some people)
We hope to promote, in the best way we can, what can be seen as the music
of the 21st century.
Favourite EM artist of the nineties for us is Andy Pickford (Yo! Paul!), as
he has all the elements in his music: a great mix of
analog/digital/vocoders/samples and live instruments but most
importantly the hi-energy, direction and spiritual/future idealogies
contained within.
We need more of his albums...where can we order them?
I met him at the last EMMA- nice guy!
Are there any other recent hi-level electronic musiques out there?
A thirst hard to quench!
Anyway, log on to our homepages below, the music plays auto-matically.
There is a lot of stuff to keep you busy.
We are also game/graphic/space-fashion designers!
peace & live long!
MIRAI
ION Machine
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O O O O A global futurist starforce for the 21st century!
O O OOO O O ALIEN REGISTRATION: http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~ummo
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OOO OOO *UMMO DISCS* http://www.japan.co.jp/~ummo
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Subject: Jerome's Radio show question
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Hi all-
I've got a stupid question about one of the tracks Jerome played on his
show: the Brighton 1986 'Legend Leftover'. Is this the same piece that
ends the live material on 3 Tier Dream On? (or Parisian Dreams Too, etc;
y'know, the Paris 86 show) I've always thought that it sounded like it
could be from Legend, and I seem to recall that the tracklisting for
Parisian Dreams Too called it 'Themes from Legend'. (or something like
that) Just wondering.
Dave B.
(still eagerly awaiting the Orgy that is to come...)
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Subject: Re: silver scale = timewind?
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On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:15:44 -0500 tadream mailing list
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> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>
> is it just me or does silver scale (esp. the live versions from 80 & 81
> which btw kick butt on the tangents version) seem somewhat reminiscent of
> KS' timewind??
>
> lars
I don't think I can see a lot of similarities there, no
matter how often I play the two. I like them both, and both
can become very hypnotic after a few minutes, but musically
they seem quite different to me.
Dennis
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>
> Yo man,
>
> > Hmm, several people have called me at SC to order this goodie & have
> > put
> > off sending the cash or the check for various reasons. Be warned,
> > don't
> > yell at me if I sell your set to someone else because you farted
> > around
> > getting your money to us. Heh heh. The set is worth it so I suggest
> > you
> > waste no time before I run out and you have to pay twice theamount for
> > second hand prices.
> >
> Dano
>
> Chill out my friend. The only reason I asked is because the exchange
> rate at the moment means that 80 dollars converts to 60 Irish pounds or
> 53 quid sterling. So for me, that means £15 per disk. Ayway I agree
> they are worth it. Relax, I shall be sending the money (cash rather
> than cheque!) today! I'm only interested to find out what my fellow
> collectors have paid for an identical item! Is this a crime?
>
> Conrad
I'm very chilled...I have my copy of EO already. ;-)
Dano
From:
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Date: Thu Feb 19, 1998 6:23
pm
Subject: Crimson: The hitherto unknown Tangerine Dream connection
Hello, gang!!
Found this on Elephant Talk mailing list; I think this must be of interest (and laugh) to all:
[quote]
Date: Tues 17 Feb, 1998
From: Toby Howard (ET moderator)
Subject: The hitherto unknown Tangerine Dream connection
Mysteriously, our newsagent sent us The Times today instead of our usual
newspaper, The Guardian. In an article in the Finance section on problems
with music royalties, author Adam Barker quotes Fripp, whom he references
as 'the former Tangerine Dream guitarist'.
It provided a laugh at breakfast!
Enjoy today's ET.
Best wishes to all
Toby
[end quote]
... of cors maybe Jerome can be quoted as 'King Cimson drummer' or so... ;-P
See ya!!
Carlos
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Subject: [Fwd: Fw: Something So Simple : )]
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
Well, yet another e-mail virus.
Odd that they still are working.
Jens
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Subject: TREE (3.4.2) kwb10@f...
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I'm trying to reach
(3.4.2) kwb10@f...
from the tape tree structure but my email bounces. If that is you please
email me so I have your correct address.
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Really-From: 'Brian M. Frick'
> Greetings.
> Just beamed down.
> MIRAI
> ION Machine
Mirai!!! Great to have you with us, if I may say so! To the rest of you all
on this list, Mirai has been a tremendous addition to the Jarre list for as
long as I can remember. His music is incredibly good (Thanks to Ivan Sandor
for letting me listen when I visited his home) and he always has great
information to pass along.
Welcome! :-)
--
Brian Frick
Homepage: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/index.html
Equinoxe: http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/jarrefanclub/index.html
'Don't work for my happiness, my brothers -- show me yours -- show
me that it is possible -- show me your achievement -- and the
knowledge will give me the courage for mine.'
- Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead
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Date: Fri Feb 20, 1998 5:35
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Subject: TD in ET
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Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@c...>
Since I've noted a number of people on this list who also subscribe to
Elephant Talk, the mailing list for fans of all things Fripp and Crimson,
I suppose someone will already have mentioned this:
>>From: Toby Howard (ET moderator)
Subject: The hitherto unknown Tangerine Dream connection
Mysteriously, our newsagent sent us The Times today instead of our usual
newspaper, The Guardian. In an article in the Finance section on problems
with music royalties, author Adam Barker quotes Fripp, whom he references
as 'the former Tangerine Dream guitarist'.
It provided a laugh at breakfast!<<
Actually it's my understanding that Fripp did join TD briefly, but left
after recording some really killer guitar on 'The Keep'. Too bad Edgar
didn't include it on the CD version. ;-)
NP: TD, The Plaid Years
>>Bob<<
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CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET ELECTRONIC ORGY FROM ALSO WHERE TO
GET ANY BOOTLEGS.PLEASE HELP
DESPERATE T DREAM FAN
NICK.
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I SEEM TO BE HAVING TROUBLE JOINING IN THE DISCUSSION,THIS IS A TEST
MESSAGE.
NICK
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Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fw: Something So Simple : )]
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Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
I know, responding to these things just makes it worse. But :
>40+ PEOPLE- LIFE WILL NEVER BE CLOSE TO BAD FOR YOU.
Are there people who believe this foolishness? If so, I really envy them. To go
through their life thinking that they will have no problems just because they
sent this message must make take the stress out of life.
Or is that the point?
-------------------------------------------------------------
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Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262
GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems
Simulation and Training Division
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Date: Fri Feb 20, 1998 11:31
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Subject: Quichotte
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Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
Just wondering...is the Amiga recording of the East Berlin
Concert, 1980, titled 'Quichotte' available anywhere?
Dennis
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Date: Fri Feb 20, 1998 1:10
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Subject: K SCHULZE DISCOGRAPHY
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MIKE, AFTER READING THROUGH THE IMPRESSIVE SCHULZE LIST I NOTICED YOU
OMITTED TO MENTION THE EARTHSTAR ALBUMS WHICH HE DISCOVERED AND
PRODUCED.I CANT REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE ALBUMS EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A
COUPLE OF THEM. IM NOT BEING PICKY WITH YOUR LIST,JUST MAKING AN
OBSERVATION.DOES ANYONE ELSE KNOW THIS GROUP?
NICK
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Subject: Dream Collector with KILLER News
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Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
Yesterday I received the latest Dream Collector edition and couldn't
believe what I saw!!!
Sometimes DC contains a lot of information that people who regularly check
the tadream homepage and read this list already know about - but the
latest edition is packed from first to last page with hot information that
was totally unavailable before. GREAT JOB guys!!!
If I may do some advertising here (they really deserve it): The latest
Dream Collector contains the full scoop on the US Tour (the news is not
good) and full information about 25 CDs of old and new material that will
come out over the next months from TDI. Every single CD is already listed
with its name and short info what's going to be on it, plus several scanned
images of the covers and more. INCREDIBLE!!! Yes, it will be a very
expensive year, that is for sure. DC also has info about a new 1998 studio
album. And to make our mouths drool, there is already some advance info on
extending these 25 CDs to 36 CDs...
No, I'm not going to post all this info here. Over time this info will
surely appear in other places, but thanks to Dream Collector, it is
possible to know this NOW. I am very glad to be a subscriber.
Hilmar
(who is not affiliated with Dream Collector in any way but has been very
pleased with the quality and speed of information presented therein).
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Subject: Radio Eins
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Really-From: Vic Rek
Just listening to a CD-R of the Radio Eins program broadcast in Berlin
on February 1, 1998. What a fantastic item to have!
Right now I'm groovin' to 'Brighton 1986 Guitar Part (Ride on the Ray)'!
Vic
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Subject:DREAMING
Author: Nick Adams at Cottam
Date: 17/02/98 00:23
HI, IVE BEEN INTO T DREAM NOW FOR A GOOD 25YRS AND IN MY OPINION 90%
OF WHAT THEY PRODUCED UP UNTILL LIVE MILES WAS SUPERB,APART FROM A FEW
TO MANY SOUNDTRACKS.SINCE THEN 220 VOLT AND TOURNADO AND MAYBE GOBLINS
CLUB ON A GOOD DAY HAVE BEEN REASONABLY OK.IT SEEMS NOW THE ONLY WAY
TO GET GOOD DREAM MUSIC IS TO SEARCH OUT ALL THE MANY BOOTLEGS ABOUT.
SOME OF THE BOOTLEGS IVE PICKED UP RECENTLY ARE
PATROLLING SPACE BORDERS - A GREAT ALBUM, SOUND QUALITY NOT SO GREAT
SOMNAMBULISTIC IMAGES - GOOD ALBUM, SOUND QUALITY NOT VERY GOOD
STRANGE ATTRACTIONS - A GREAT ALBUM,SUPERB SOUND QUALITY
RATIKON - ANOTHER GOOD ALBUM, GOOD SOUND QUALITY
DONT WALK DREAM NOW - SHIT HOT ALBUM, SHIT SOUND QUALITY
DANGER LIVE - BLOODY GREAT ALBUM, GOOD SOUND QUALITY
COEFFICIENT OF AURAL EXPANSION PT 1 - GREAT ALBUM, GOOD SOUND QUALITY
COEFFICIENT OF AURAL EXPANSION PT 2 - GREAT ALBUM, GREAT SOUND QUALITY
LIVE IMPROVISED - GOOD ALBUM, GOOD SOUND QUALITY
THREE TIER DREAM - GREAT ALBUM,GOOD SOUND QUALITY
THREE TIER DREAM ON - ANOTHER GREAT ALBUM,GOOD SOUND QUALITY
NOW THIS IS WHERE ALL YOU T DREAMERS COULD HELP ME.I AM LOOKING FOR
OTHERS, BELOW IS A LIST OF WHAT IM AFTER.
ME-RAD
AMERICANA ARGONAUTICA
THESE 2 AND ANOTHER I DONT KNOW THE TITLE OF, MADE UP A TRILLOGY.
ORANGES FROM FRANCE
BEYOND THE WALL
STAATGRENGE WEST (DODGY SPELLING ALERT)
UNDULATION
DREAMING ON DANFORTH AVENUE
SPHERICAL HARMONICS 1 & 2
QUINOA
FIRST HALF OF TOURNADO CONCERT
IM SURE THERE ARE OTHERS IF ANY BODY KNOWS ANY.
IF ANYBODY KNOWS WHERE I COULD GET ANY OF THESE ALBUMS I WOULD BE
TRULY GRATEFULL.
YOU CAN E MAIL ME OFF LIST IF YOU LIKE ON
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>Dream Collector contains the full scoop on the US Tour (the
news is not
So what do they say?
Scott
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we had to do some revisions...sorry if this screws anyone up, but there are no
major changes, except the segregation of the digiheads who wanted to be
special...some day we'll all be in ur league...anyway, the source is busy
dubbing and every branch should get their copies by next week...start
communicating with ur branch leader about trades, blanks, get snail addresses,
buy envelopes, stamps, clean ur tape heads, buy a new deck, etc...if theres a
problem
with an address let me know and ill double check it...the structural framework
will probably remain pretty much the same into the future, with minor tweaking
due to varying seeds and additions and subtractions...most people have been
positive about this to date, and ur comments are always welcome...if anyone
wants to be added/subtracted when the calls go out for the future trees, let
me know...my estimate is that once this is over, assuming u stay till the
bitter end, u will be in possession of over 6,350 minutes of td representing
about 75 shows...talking about an electronic orgy...again, this is all for fun
so enjoy...
tom w
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On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> If I may do some advertising here (they really deserve it): The latest
> Dream Collector contains the full scoop on the US Tour (the news is not
> good)
Figures.
> and full information about 25 CDs of old and new material that will
> come out over the next months from TDI. Every single CD is already listed
> with its name and short info what's going to be on it, plus several scanned
> images of the covers and more. INCREDIBLE!!! Yes, it will be a very
> expensive year, that is for sure. DC also has info about a new 1998 studio
> album.
Any promises of 'a big new thing' ;) ? Especially one that will be
realized this time? And are Zlatko and Emil sticking around for it?
And to make our mouths drool, there is already some advance info on
> extending these 25 CDs to 36 CDs...
Uh, I'm not so sure I like this. Can anybody say Klaus Schulze Syndrome?
One or two of these a year would be OK...but cramming them all into a few
months? I just hope they don't decide to make them all ltd. editions, too!
> Hilmar
Gabe
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Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
>If I may do some advertising here (they really deserve it): The latest
>Dream Collector contains the full scoop on the US Tour (the news is not
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Figures. My intuition told me they weren't coming. Oh, well.
>good) and full information about 25 CDs of old and new material that will
>come out over the next months from TDI. Every single CD is already listed
25 discs? Seriously, Hilmar? Fiscally, this doesn't sound as good as it
does aesthetically. I'm going to have to sell things get this stuff, e.g.,
car, organs, etc.
E-Man
np: Badlands, 'Tribal Moon' (good blues-rock band's unreleased final album)
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> NOW THIS IS WHERE ALL YOU T DREAMERS COULD HELP ME.I AM
LOOKING FOR
> OTHERS, BELOW IS A LIST OF WHAT IM AFTER.
>
Nick, in the interest of spreading good Karma across the
universe, let me suggest two thing you might want to do:
1. Stop typing in ALL CAPS. It's like you're shouting, and makes
your post difficult to read. (On the other hand, we have some here who
uses no caps. . .)
2. Rather than trying to buy bootlegs, you may have more success
trading tapes of said shows/boots with others on the list. You'll also
be helping TD by hurting the bootleggers.
Scott
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On more thing on the 'Radio Eins' broadcast:
The track 'Live Dresden Hygienemuseum 1980' has been questioned as to
whether this is actually live from 1983? After listening to the track
(which is great BTW) I have to say that this is from 1980! Very similar
to the other shows I've heard from that period. If you have different
information, please let me know.
Vic
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Sorry if this is not your cup of tea, but I know that there are a bunch of
you out there that like the Tentacles; this is for you...
Snapper Records is going to re-release three of the OT titles (Strangitude,
Pungent Effulgent and Jurassic Shift) with a bonus track each and at a
mid-range price. Three more titles will follow a couple of months later and
there is a DJ-remix CD due out later in the year. <>
Isn't it amazing how they came make (some of) us buy the same music over and
over and over again???? :-/
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
> > And to make our mouths drool, there is already some advance info on
> > extending these 25 CDs to 36 CDs...
>
> Uh, I'm not so sure I like this. Can anybody say Klaus Schulze Syndrome?
> One or two of these a year would be OK...but cramming them all into a few
> months? I just hope they don't decide to make them all ltd. editions,
too!
From what I've been told, Klaus D. Mueller put out Schulze's
Silver/Historic/Jubilee sets for the money. If TD does the same thing, they
have to realize the *quality* has to meet the *quantity* & give us da bang
for da buck. I'd hate to think that Herr Froese misses the $$$ from TD's
soundtrack glory days, but I feel TD may be doing these for the fans. I
hope there's a 25:1 ratio of 70s-80s-material-to-90s, heh heh. And, guys,
please, NO MORE TOUCHWOOD REMIXES!!!!!!!!!!!
E-Man
np: Wishbone Ash, 'Illuminations'
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> Just listening to a CD-R of the Radio Eins program broadcast in Berlin
> on February 1, 1998. What a fantastic item to have!
Indeed! Not quite as essential as 'Electronic Orgy,' but a great disk all
the same. I can't get over how much TD music is being made available
now...it's somewhat overwhelming.
As for the 'Electrobeats' program, I must say that I really do prefer the
demo version of 'On Cranes Passage' over the one on Goblin's Club. It
leaves me wondering what else lurks in the vaults; and how many other
ho-hum TD songs of the 90s would have been improved by leaving them in an
early form.
The alternate vocal on the Legend track is amusing, in that it's just so
unremarkable. Standard cheesy 80s soundtrack music, suitable for running
over closing credits. I'd love to hear TD take a stab at Kiew Mission
style atmospheric vocals...but no more lame pop music!
I was so happy to finally hear something from 'Mandala'...I had long
wondered whether this music was going to be made available. And it's a
pretty piece, but not spectacular. It would sit comfortably on 'Tyger',
in between Smile and 21st Century Common Man. Still, a great find.
And the live material! (drool drool) How wonderful that these shows are
finally seeing the light of digital recording day...particularly the
Dresden performance, which is from my favourite period of TDs musical
output. The cuts from the 1997 shows are okay, and benefit from the
addition of a little drum-rattling by Emil. A little dissonance and
unpredictability is a good thing.
And now it seems that this particular vault-clearing is only the
beginning. If the other forthcoming disks are this interesting, I'm
afraid that my wallet will be very light in the coming months.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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> And to make our mouths drool, there is already some advance info on
>> extending these 25 CDs to 36 CDs...
Great. I hope lots of 70s and begin 80s material!!!
>Uh, I'm not so sure I like this. Can anybody say Klaus Schulze Syndrome?
>One or two of these a year would be OK...but cramming them all into a few
>months? I just hope they don't decide to make them all ltd. editions, too!
What I really really really hope Edgar doesn't do is TANGENIZING.
If this is the case I don't think I'm interested. It's so irritating to hear
some soft chords at the beginning of let's say Phaedra and then
a few seconds later you hear the original track (with some extra
chords over the mellotron parts, AAARRRGGHH).
OK, I'm now out of frustration-mode.
Marcel
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tadream mailing list wrote:
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> ---------------------------- Forwarded with Changes
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> Date: 2/17/98 12:23AM
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> Subject:DREAMING
> Author: Nick Adams at Cottam
> Date: 17/02/98 00:23
>
> HI, IVE BEEN INTO T DREAM NOW FOR A GOOD 25YRS AND IN MY OPINION 90%
> OF WHAT THEY PRODUCED UP UNTILL LIVE MILES WAS SUPERB,APART FROM A FEW
> TO MANY SOUNDTRACKS.SINCE THEN 220 VOLT AND TOURNADO AND MAYBE GOBLINS
> CLUB ON A GOOD DAY HAVE BEEN REASONABLY OK.IT SEEMS NOW THE ONLY WAY
> TO GET GOOD DREAM MUSIC IS TO SEARCH OUT ALL THE MANY BOOTLEGS ABOUT.
> SOME OF THE BOOTLEGS IVE PICKED UP RECENTLY ARE
>
> PATROLLING SPACE BORDERS - A GREAT ALBUM, SOUND QUALITY NOT SO GREAT
> SOMNAMBULISTIC IMAGES - GOOD ALBUM, SOUND QUALITY NOT VERY GOOD
> STRANGE ATTRACTIONS - A GREAT ALBUM,SUPERB SOUND QUALITY
> RATIKON - ANOTHER GOOD ALBUM, GOOD SOUND QUALITY
> DONT WALK DREAM NOW - SHIT HOT ALBUM, SHIT SOUND QUALITY
> DANGER LIVE - BLOODY GREAT ALBUM, GOOD SOUND QUALITY
> COEFFICIENT OF AURAL EXPANSION PT 1 - GREAT ALBUM, GOOD SOUND QUALITY
> COEFFICIENT OF AURAL EXPANSION PT 2 - GREAT ALBUM, GREAT SOUND QUALITY
> LIVE IMPROVISED - GOOD ALBUM, GOOD SOUND QUALITY
> THREE TIER DREAM - GREAT ALBUM,GOOD SOUND QUALITY
> THREE TIER DREAM ON - ANOTHER GREAT ALBUM,GOOD SOUND QUALITY
>
> NOW THIS IS WHERE ALL YOU T DREAMERS COULD HELP ME.I AM LOOKING FOR
> OTHERS, BELOW IS A LIST OF WHAT IM AFTER.
> ME-RAD
> AMERICANA ARGONAUTICA
> THESE 2 AND ANOTHER I DONT KNOW THE TITLE OF, MADE UP A TRILLOGY.
> ORANGES FROM FRANCE
> BEYOND THE WALL
> STAATGRENGE WEST (DODGY SPELLING ALERT)
> UNDULATION
> DREAMING ON DANFORTH AVENUE
> SPHERICAL HARMONICS 1 & 2
> QUINOA
> FIRST HALF OF TOURNADO CONCERT
> IM SURE THERE ARE OTHERS IF ANY BODY KNOWS ANY.
>
> IF ANYBODY KNOWS WHERE I COULD GET ANY OF THESE ALBUMS I WOULD BE
> TRULY GRATEFULL.
> YOU CAN E MAIL ME OFF LIST IF YOU LIKE ON
> NICK ADAMS@C...
Duuuuuude.....Caps lock is located on the right side of your
keyboard....should be next to the num lock key. Now, when the light
lights up that means it's on so hit the key until that light goes
off....and there you have it, lower case letters too!
Dano ;-)
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> What I really really really hope Edgar doesn't do is TANGENIZING.
I highly doubt that. From what I understand, just going over the three
disks of material for the Tangents set was painful enough for him. I
expect that there might be a little digital sound massaging, but that's
it. Call me a hopeless optimist.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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In a message dated 98-02-20 10:25:57 EST, you write:
<< 1. Stop typing in ALL CAPS. It's like you're shouting, and makes
your post difficult to read. (On the other hand, we have some here who
uses no caps. . .) >>
The people who use no caps are people who are soft spoken, shy, and dont think
very highly of themselves. :)
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>
> Just wondering...is the Amiga recording of the East Berlin
> Concert, 1980, titled 'Quichotte' available anywhere?
>
> Dennis
This Concert was issued by Virgin under the name 'PERGAMON' (Quichotte
Part I and II) from Caroline Records Inc. 5 Crosby Street, New York
N:Y: 10013. It's really the same original copy, believe me i have the
LP!!!
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Hilmar wrote:
>The latest
>Dream Collector contains the full scoop on the US Tour (the news is not
>good)
While I've kept my woodie down, and for us poor schleps that don't get DC,
exactly what was this news? Are they opening for the Spice Girls?
Thanks,
Mike
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Hi all,
Got a friend fixed up with winamp and he's having fun. He's looking for
some Pink Floyd, and other, mpeg3 files. Anyone know where I can point him
to such things?
Thanks,
Mike
ps--he thanks morgan for the page and the info therein.
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 12:53 PM 2/20/98 EST, you wrote:
>The people who use no caps are people who are soft spoken, shy, and dont
think
>very highly of themselves. :)
are not.......
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59
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Subject: Silver Scale=???
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> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
>
> is it just me or does silver scale (esp. the live versions from 80 & 81
> which btw kick butt on the tangents version) seem somewhat reminiscent of
> KS' timewind??
>
> lars
>I don't think I can see a lot of similarities there, no
>matter how often I play the two. I like them both, and both
>can become very hypnotic after a few minutes, but musically
>they seem quite different to me.
>Dennis
After listening to Silver Scale again, it seems that there are portions of
another TD song in it but can't seem to place what they may be.
Frank
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Subject: No TD: Help needed from someone in Chicago
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Could someone from Chicagoland please contact me? I need some help.
Thanks.
Scott
'Every turkey dies; not every turkey truly lives.'
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eman says:
>From what I've been told, Klaus D. Mueller put out Schulze's
>Silver/Historic/Jubilee sets for the money. If TD does the same thing,
they
>have to realize the *quality* has to meet the *quantity* & give us da bang
>for da buck. I'd hate to think that Herr Froese misses the $$$ from TD's
>soundtrack glory days, but I feel TD may be doing these for the fans.
-- well....... I think that depends on the price. At least KS/KDM released
them together so that the price per disc (even though they were limited
editions and some were auto'd) was relatively low. TD, however, seems to
plan to trickle these out on the market in 1s &2s ... and given the pricing
of their most recent TDI releases (at import prices, about $25-$30 US /
6-10 months later, if you can't even find them, the domestic prices are
still ~$15/disc) this suggests the price per TD disc will be higher and so
the cost for 25 separately released TD CDs will be waaaaaaay higher that
what people paid for the KS sets by buying them all at once.... Hell, even
tangents & DRC were about $10/disc...
also EF has to be aware that he is saturating the market, therefore the
press runs will be smaller (<1,000) so the price per disc will have to be
higher to realize any profit......
when I heard that TD was going to do these in bits instead of in a nice box
set, my first reaction (which I killed before posting it) was that edgar's
only doing this for money and that he should please send me some vaseline
first.....
lars
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Subject: Fripp Blowing Off Froese in Bowie's Berlin Studio in 1977
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>Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:35:11 -0500 you said:
>Subject: Re: TD in ET
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Robert Forman <73652.1423@c...>
>
>Actually it's my understanding that Fripp did join TD briefly, but left
>after recording some really killer guitar on 'The Keep'. Too bad Edgar
>didn't include it on the CD version. ;-)
Nice try, but it's already on record that Fripp wimped out when he
was in Berlin noodling around for Bowie's 'HEROES' album (in 1977) and
Herr Froese came in with an immense synth because he was used to Eno's
relatively miniscule synths and revoxes. Below is a re-post/forwarding
(from the now-defunct mailing list, emdreams) of an interview with
someone who was there that day--a guy named Richard Pinhas (the head of
the German band Heldon, whose guitar style is so close to that of
Fripp's that the two of them might as well be twins). Er, come to
think of it, I'll only excerpt it since it's supposed to be in an issue
of DREAMS WORD (if another issue ever comes out!?!) and Elana might
have a cow or otherwise go into a trout-thwapping frenzy if I re-posted
the whole thing.
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 92 13:24 PDT
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Really-From: elana@a... (Elana Beach)
[. . .] I received this thing in the mail a few months ago,
and I have been wondering what the heck to do with it. DW is
already backlogged 2 issues in advance with the Chris and the
Steve Jolliffe interviews. And heaven only knows what great,
major artist will pop up as a possible DW interviewee in the
meantime.
So while I have to shelve this thing for awhile as far as DW is
concerned, there is NOTHING to keep me from giving it to you
emdreams now as an a advance treat.
Gentlemen...
I hereby now present to you...
Interview with Richard Pinhas
(Paris - November 19th, 1991)
By Jan Tack, Marco Hinic, Serge Devadder, & Henri Hanot
Among collectors of electronic music some names have become
classics and are present in every search list. These names include
Richard Pinhas. Stormy electronics, pulsating sequencers and
above all, his famed feedback-guitar playing have earned him the
status of one of the most acclaimed avant-garde musicians of the
seventies. As the leader of the French cult group HELDON, he
has always surrounded himself with the most crafty studio
musicians such as Patrick Gauthier, Bernard Paganotti and
Cle'ment Bailly. Motivated by the (necessary) reissue of his work
on CD, we payed a visit to this friendly guy, so that he may break
the silence in which he had enshrouded himself since the release
of his 1981 masterwork 'L'Ethique'. We had a nice chat with
him about Heldon, Robert Fripp, Apple Computers and Nietzsche.
It lasted three hours and twenty cigarettes.
[. . .]
Q: There's a large parallel between your music and the works of
Robert Fripp. How much did it inspire you?
RP: I think I must have been subconsciously influenced by the
tapes he played before his concerts in 73-74. But the first
Heldon-albums were released together with the Fripp & Eno stuff.
There was no imitation involved, just a coincidence in time.
Q: Do you know him personally?
RP: I was very flattered when Fripp showed appreciation for my
work, even coming to my concerts. Eventually we became good
friends. This is probably why we never played together. There
was no need for it anymore as we were already very close. I once
asked him to play on one of my pieces. I had made a demo with
some guitar parts. Fripp listened to it and said it would be
pointless for him to play on it as he'd probably play it the same
way.
Q: So where lies the difference then between the guitarist Fripp
and Pinhas?
RP: (laughing) Robert is much better! However, we both have a
style which is quite recognizable. Even on a rotten amp with a
bad guitar, I would play my own sound. (adding softly) Which
isn't too bad I guess.
Q: A matter of technique?
RP: Technique alone is insufficient but not a conditio sine qua
non. If you have the genius spark, you do something great with a
total lack of musical technical skill. A striking example is Brian
Eno. He's a poor keyboard player and guitarist but what a great
musician!
However, most of the time, technique adds much to the result,
yes. It also saves a lot of time in a recording situation.
Q: Any plans to cooperate with Fripp in the future?
RP: If he asks me, I'll come. There have been plans in the past
but it never worked out. The same for Robert Wyatt, with whom
I had an even more advanced project. Who knows?
Q: You covered a David Bowie track on 'East/West'.
RP: Not exactly. I had recorded a piece but was annoyed by the
feeling that I had used a series of 3 or 4 notes which I'd heard
somewhere else. It's only later that I realized it came from the
'Heroes' album. It's practically unrecognizable but out of artistic
honesty I gave Bowie credit for the track. The irony is that Bowie
has all my albums and that apparently I was a candidate for the
'Heroes' LP! I found this very flattering. Froese was an other
candidate but when he had entered the Berlin studio with a few
tons of his Moog-material, Fripp, who was used to Eno's small
devices, had become very nervous and that was that (laughs).
Q: Speaking of Froese, the Germans were never your favourites.
RP: Honestly, I didn't know the music of the Berlin School until
some friends introduced me to it. I admit that I have more
affinities with the English School and that I am not a Tangerine
Dream fanatic, but this group has done tremendous work for
electronic music. 'Phaedra' and 'Aqua' are splendid albums that I
enjoyed a lot. And Klaus Schulze stayed with me a while, we had
some nice discussions. However I believe Kraftwerk to be the
most inventive German group. I'm very fond of their work. When
they had recorded 'T.E.E.' they honoured me with an invitation
to an interview with the French radio.
Q: Do you like 'The Mix'?
RP: It's my favourite album of the last few months. I'm really
looking forward to see them again in concert.
Q: What else do you listen to lately?
RP: Miles Davis, Wagner,... Whatever catches my ear.
----
Richard then let us hear a brilliant track from the forthcoming
album which is continuing the line of 'L'Ethique'. If this interview
has made you curious about Richard's music, then don't hesitate
to discover his reissued work on CD. It's among the most
exciting electronic music you can get. And for those who already
know HELDON, get ready folks because the best is yet to come
The authors would like to thank the following people for their
enthusiasm, kindness and generous help:
Agneta Nilsson and Richard Pinhas
Steve Feigenbaum and all at Wayside-Cuneiform (USA)
Robert Lenoir and Crystal Lake (France)
Thierry Janas (France)
Frits Cauwenberg from KLEM (Holland)
DISCOGRAPHY
With HELDON:
- Electronique Guerilla
- Allez-Te'ia
- Heldon Third ; It's Always Rock'n Roll
- Heldon IV ; Agneta Nilsson
- Un Re^ve sans Conse'quence Spe'ciale
- Interface
- Stand By
As a solo artist:
- Rhizosphere
- Chronolyse
- Iceland
- East/West
- L'Ethique
- Perspective
- D.W.W. (in preparation)
Elana again:
If anyone wants to know any further details on anything that RP says
here, don't ask me. All I know is what you know from reading this.
Post any questions on emdreams. There has to be some Pinhas expert
here... somewhere... who may know something about this artist more
than I...
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Hello gang,
Just some thoughts on the Jerome session ( courtesy of 'Digihead
number 1!'), I'm gonna use Seans typing cuz I am tired today:
> Just listening to a CD-R of the Radio Eins program broadcast in Berlin
> on February 1, 1998. What a fantastic item to have!
> Indeed, quite a nice item, and fine quality too!
Indeed! Not quite as essential as 'Electronic Orgy,' but a great disk all
the same. it's somewhat overwhelming.
>Consider me overwhelmed....need to take a breath so much to do , so little
moola.
As for the 'Electrobeats' program, I must say that I really do prefer the
demo version of 'On Cranes Passage' over the one on Goblin's Club. It
leaves me wondering what else lurks in the vaults; and how many other
ho-hum TD songs of the 90s would have been improved by leaving them in an
early form.
> Same here! I am one of the few who like Goblin, but this version truely
captures the early 80 sound. The 'simplified'guitar really help the piece a
lot. Maybe the 'demo'album is on the upcoming 25 list?
The alternate vocal on the Legend track is amusing, in that it's just so
unremarkable. Standard cheesy 80s soundtrack music, suitable for running
over closing credits.
> Now I prefer this to the Anderson vocal. I don't really care for vocal's in
TD, but as a soundtrack-it is acceptable. I wish they would have had
Ferry do it tho. but I do agree - unremarkable nonetheless. Hell, sounds like
TD isn't even in it.
I was so happy to finally hear something from 'Mandala'...I had long
wondered whether this music was going to be made available. And it's a
pretty piece, but not spectacular. It would sit comfortably on 'Tyger',
in between Smile and 21st Century Common Man. Still, a great find.
> Most cool, this would be a better release than a Red Heat st.
And the live material! (drool drool) How wonderful that these shows are
finally seeing the light of digital recording day...particularly the
Dresden performance, which is from my favourite period of TDs musical
output. The cuts from the 1997 shows are okay, and benefit from the
addition of a little drum-rattling by Emil. A little dissonance and
unpredictability is a good thing.
>Personally -enuff with the new stuff, I think Tournado/220 say it all.
And now it seems that this particular vault-clearing is only the
beginning. If the other forthcoming disks are this interesting, I'm
afraid that my wallet will be very light in the coming months.
>Now selling my X files and Dawn of The Dead collection.E mail me for details.
Chris
NP- 10 to midnight -OST
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Subject: Re: Fripp Blowing Off Froese in Bowie's Berlin Studio in 1977
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In a message dated 98-02-20 16:44:54 EST, you write:
<< Nice try, but it's already on record that Fripp wimped out when he
was in Berlin noodling around for Bowie's 'HEROES' album (in 1977) >>
'wimped out'? id say he made a pretty smart move....and u really believe his
guitar work on heroes was 'noodling'? please...
tom w
np: fripp - exposure
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>Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>when I heard that TD was going to do these in bits instead of in a nice box
>set, my first reaction (which I killed before posting it) was that edgar's
>only doing this for money and that he should please send me some vaseline
>first.....
Well my first reaction is 'Wow, that's great!' Then I agree will Marcel,
only if NO Tangentizing is done to this. I'm not really too concerned about
individual releases Lars. Actually, I prefer if they release them in a
trickle, because I will have more time to appreciate them. The KS Jubilee
set IS fantastic, but it's so much, that it's actually difficult to
evaluate. But if the Froeses release them as individual discs, they will
have more pressure on themselves to put out truly fantastic discs (I hope),
since each individual CD will be scrutinized by this list :-) Also they will
have more time to compile and research each release, not like KDM who
duplicated a track on the Jubilee edition. But again TD did this on
Tangents, so we'd better give them more time to release each CD individually
;-) And in terms of cost, oh well, grab your ankles..
Vic
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>
> >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>
> >when I heard that TD was going to do these in bits instead of in a nice
box
> >set, my first reaction (which I killed before posting it) was that
edgar's
> >only doing this for money and that he should please send me some
vaseline
> >first.....
>
> Well my first reaction is 'Wow, that's great!' Then I agree will Marcel,
> only if NO Tangentizing is done to this. I'm not really too concerned
about
> individual releases Lars. Actually, I prefer if they release them in a
> trickle, because I will have more time to appreciate them. The KS
Jubilee
> set IS fantastic, but it's so much, that it's actually difficult to
> evaluate. But if the Froeses release them as individual discs, they will
> have more pressure on themselves to put out truly fantastic discs (I
hope),
> since each individual CD will be scrutinized by this list :-) Also they
will
> have more time to compile and research each release, not like KDM who
> duplicated a track on the Jubilee edition. But again TD did this on
> Tangents, so we'd better give them more time to release each CD
individually
> ;-) And in terms of cost, oh well, grab your ankles..
>
> Vic
I think it would work if the CD tracks are organized in an
era/chronological
way. That way, each person can picks the CDs pertaining to their favorite
TD era. I just am glad that this stuff if becoming available, and no, I
wont be
upset if half of it is Seattle Years material--as long as it's new stuff!
P.S. E-Man.. I agree.. no more Touchwood remixes!
Greg H.
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Subject: Re: mpeg3 files
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At 02:48 PM 2/20/98, you wrote:
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>Really-From: Michael Fox
>
>
>Hi all,
>Got a friend fixed up with winamp and he's having fun. He's looking for
>some Pink Floyd, and other, mpeg3 files. Anyone know where I can point him
>to such things?
>
>Thanks,
>Mike
>ps--he thanks morgan for the page and the info therein.
>
>
I don't have any web sites for you but if you have access to the news group
alt.binaries.sound.mp3 then you may find what you're looking for
there. You can post requests to alt.binaries.sound.mp3.d
Good luck !
Steve
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Agree completely!!!
There is nothing TANGENIZED that I like excepty Monolight!!!
Marcelo
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
'On Cranes Passage' (demo~4:09)....very, very, very nice. I like this tune.
Now I like *something* from GC, whereas I didn't before, haha. If this is
actually more of a raw, earlier version, I much prefer this.
'Brighton 1986 Guitar Part (Ride On The Ray)' (10:27)....all together now,
let's say:
<<>>!!!!!!!! Because that's what this is! The intro sequence
which (according to Jerome) Franke later recycled into his own 'Vermilion
Sands'...morphs into 'Scrap Yard' (the melody, at least). Enter Ed's
guitar;
about 5:02, Franke intros a steamin' synth-bass pattern, and Edgar's guitar
takes
the lead. Franke cooks up some great e-percussion accents here and there.
This is the stuff wet dreams are made of....btw, thanks, Dan (duh). This
has replaced 'Vermillion Sands' for me, because Franke doesn't end that
track in an all-too happenin' way, IMHO.
'Brighton 1986 Legend Leftover' (3:43)...LEGEND is my least fave TD OST,
but this track kicks.
'Mandala' (4:49)...I don't know about you guys, but this track is a beaut.
I dig the synth-violins, which give it a neo-classical touch (sort of). I
was told this track was in the DESTINATION BERLIN department of sound, but
this is *better.*
'Unicorn Theme (with Suzanne Pawlitzki)' (3:07)...now we have a femme doing
femme vox, instead of a homme doing femme vox. Nothing against Jon
Anderson----I'm a Yes fan----but his vocals literally sounded too pansy,
too pixie like on the original. Not that I care for this tune, anyway. As
Jerome put it in the transcript, '....this evening gets rarer and rarer,'
haha!!!
'Girl On The Stairs '97/Thief Yang & the Tangram Seal '97 (Brussels)'
(12:17). Not quite as faithful to the originals, and very punchy & lively
(oxymoron? haha) sounding.
'Live Dresden Hygienemuseum 1980' (8:40)....killer vintage Berlin School
track, beautiful sound quality. This would be my fave, but it's one-upped
by Track Two.
As usual, I'm...
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Really-From: patricdonaghy@w... (Patric Donaghy)
I just purchased the import box set:The Dream Roots Collection. I did it
to obtain that 5th cd with unrealeasd material. I have all the music on
the first 4 cds....hence this message. Each cd is unplayed, contains
over 1hr music per cd, is remastered...and in some cases rerecorded by
EF . The cds selection covers TD from 1970-1973 and 1983-1987. Many
great songs are on these cds....if you were thinking about replacing
some of your older TD cds...this may be a viable option. There is a 60
pg booklet and a beautiful slip case to complete the set. BTW ,I would
be happy to tape the
5th cd for you...just provide a quality 90 min cassete. I am asking
$45.00 which includes shipping. Some other items for sale: Some one
reneged on his order, so I have the TD bootlegs The Keep and Mystery
Tracks One at $25.00 each. Finally, the following cds are $6.00 each...*
indicates import: Phadra*, Exit* Private Music Of TD, Robert
Schroder...Driftin*, Timewaves*,Paridise* C Franke Enchanting
Nature(digipak),Raven , Richard Pinhas Chronolyse. All prices include
shipping.Thanks for reading this long post.
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59
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Subject: Re: K SCHULZE DISCOGRAPHY
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Really-From: 'Robert Hanna'
He is only credited with production on the first album. No credits at all on
the second one. Hardly worth mentioning in a discography since he didn't
actually play on them.
> MIKE, AFTER READING THROUGH THE IMPRESSIVE SCHULZE LIST I NOTICED YOU
> OMITTED TO MENTION THE EARTHSTAR ALBUMS WHICH HE DISCOVERED AND
> PRODUCED.I CANT REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE ALBUMS EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A
> COUPLE OF THEM. IM NOT BEING PICKY WITH YOUR LIST,JUST MAKING AN
> OBSERVATION.DOES ANYONE ELSE KNOW THIS GROUP?
>
> NICK
>
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Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>On more thing on the 'Radio Eins' broadcast:
>
>The track 'Live Dresden Hygienemuseum 1980' has been questioned as to
>whether this is actually live from 1983? After listening to the track
>(which is great BTW) I have to say that this is from 1980! Very similar
>to the other shows I've heard from that period. If you have different
>information, please let me know.
I've only heard the East Berlin shows from 1980 , and wouldn't say that this
sounds like them. However, some of the sounds do remind me of the 'solo' tracks
on 70-80 (could be Baryl Blue I'm thinking of).
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Date: Sat Feb 21, 1998 9:58
am
Subject: Re: Dream Collector with KILLER News
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Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
>
>From what I've been told, Klaus D. Mueller put out Schulze's
>Silver/Historic/Jubilee sets for the money. If TD does the same thing, they
>have to realize the *quality* has to meet the *quantity* & give us da bang
>for da buck. I'd hate to think that Herr Froese misses the $$$ from TD's
>soundtrack glory days, but I feel TD may be doing these for the fans. I
>hope there's a 25:1 ratio of 70s-80s-material-to-90s, heh heh. And, guys,
>please, NO MORE TOUCHWOOD REMIXES!!!!!!!!!!!
And please, no more tangetized sweeping chord synth intros and outros which
stick out like Charlie's lugs! Am I the only one feeling on the point of
screaming the next time I hear those chords making a 5 minute track into a
seven minute one? (e.g. end of Stratosfear on tangents, some Keep pieces, etc.)
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Date: Sat Feb 21, 1998 10:36
am
Subject: Looking for CDR of Rare Tracks from Jerome's Radio Show
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
Hi tadreamers,
Is there somebody on the list who can burn me a CDR of *all* the rare
tracks that were included in Jerome's radio show ??
Please contact me if you have the possibility of doing this !
Thanks a lot,
Wouter
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Steven is right about the Keep 1986 (?) LP!!
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Date: Sat Feb 21, 1998 10:43
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Subject: More info on '25 CDs' please !!
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
Hi,
Is there somebody who can give more info about the forthcoming TD releases,
as featured in Dream Collector ??
I believe it's gonna be an expensive year.....!!
Best wishes,
Wouter