From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 14, 1998 11:56 am Subject: Subject: Eurock! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Fonda Archie Patterson wrote (via Ashok Prema): > Eurock is my only job for the last 15+ years, promoting this music is both a passion and job for me for 25 years now. I get much support form customers and artists, and only occasionally does someone call me names. You can't please everybody. Enough on this before I do quit the business... > Archie I was surprised to see the original complaints about Eurock since I have had nothing but good experiences on several orders I have placed. In fact I just received an order that required special handling by Archie in order to get it to me here in Aruba and it went perfectly. I don't see that his shipping charges are out of line at all and he has been very reasonable with me. He has some items that are not readily available elsewhere and his prices are ok. Archie, I'm sure you're not going to let one or two disgruntled and misguided customers discourage you... keep up the good work!! Now Progtron and Laser's Edge are another story.... :-( I'd also love to see SuperCollector start an EM Mail Order business!! I'd be a regular. :-P Regards, Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 14, 1998 1:12 pm Subject: Re: Kraftwerk Tour ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-03-14 01:45:59 EST, you write: << just wanna say hi to all of u as i just joined the list... sriser3600 could you be more specific as to where excactly did u see those dates? i myself saw them for the very first time on Doepfer site but they were removed from there on the next day! later i emailed Doepfer and they told me that KW changed their minds as to posting the dates and demanded that they be removed! ciao! >> probably the kw list...its been in an orgasmic state since those dates were officially announced....'wheelchairs on the autobahn' 98 world tour.... tom w np: aphew twin - saw 1 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 14, 1998 4:09 am Subject: Re: 'Coldwater Canyon' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: AOutland > > > In a message dated 98-03-12 16:51:32 EST, you write: > > << > I've been listening to this track fro the past 3 months > and have become not even a bit tired of it! > In fact, right now, it's on repeat for the past 2 1/2 > hours and I have not tired of it at all! >> > I will usually record a favorite track at the beginning of a tape so that > I can instantly push the return button to play it over again in my car. I did > this so much to this track that I wore the tape out without hardly hearing the > rest of it. Dell Thanks! I don't feel so alone anymore. I think this is one track with an incredible amount of staying power. I just seems very fresh--I guess that's why I like it so much. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 14, 1998 11:51 am Subject: D:List, Addendum Week 5 - 15th March 1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' This week we would like to hear your comments about Ambient Monkeys. Please make the subject header D:Ambient Monkeys when replying. Thanks Lawry. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 14, 1998 3:38 pm Subject: Eurock etc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'ashok prema' You wrote: Now, I have to complained about this, being in the business of mail order CD's to a MUCH larger degree than Archie. I would say Ash owes Steven an apology. I mean, how obvious to Arch it was Steve that wrote the letter...even after you took his name out...and to send Arch the flame without asking Steve was, IMO, uncalled for & uncool. I certainly wouldn't want my mail forwarded to a business I complain about unless I'm the one sending it to them myself. Not critisizing you Ash, but it might be better, as a courtesy, to ask before forwarding something volatile like that without asking the author. JMO, of course. Regards, Dan I disagree Dan. I am self employed and if a customer has a complaint - I want to hear about it - otherwise how can I improve my service to them?? The point of telling Archie was that there WAS some dissent amongst his customers that he may not be aware of - and as his mane was being dragged around in mud by more than one person, it was only fair to give him his say.......my mail excluded the name of the complainant - it certainly would have been unfair of me to give the writers name - put yourself in Archies shoes - people are slanging around his name saying (mostly) that his service is poor/expensive - if he doesn't know of these complaints - how can he correct them?? It would be great if you set up as a trader - I would be more than happy to supply all Champagne lake titles to you.........who knows - one of your customers may be showing signs of dissatisfaction one day......would YOU not want to know about it?? Cheers and good luck with your venture! Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12009 Re: Eurock etc DJS Sat 3/14/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 14, 1998 4:05 pm Subject: Re: 'Coldwater Canyon' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > >Thanks! >I don't feel so alone anymore. I think this is one track with an >incredible amount of staying power. I just seems very fresh--I >guess that's why I like it so much. Well, I think the majority of people on this list like Coldwater Canyon. It's one (top 3) of my fav. track of the dream. So you're definitely not alone! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 14, 1998 3:14 pm Subject: Re: Which Muscians have you met? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' I thought I haven't met any artists/musicians but I was wrong. I met Stellar, an australian artist that uses his body signals as inputs to analog synthesizers. It was 6 years ago. He was to perform in Madrid ( cultural capital of Europe for 1992). He came to my company looking for a monitoring equipment. At that time I was the product specialist for intensive care monitoring so i lend him an 8 chenille monitor with analog outs with EKG, respiration, Oxygen saturation and non invasive pressure. He was supposed to perform totally naked, with electrodes and cables of all sorts plugged to his body controlling lights, a robotic arm, and analog synthesizers that were feed by the analog out waveform of 'my' monitor. I had to teach him how to use it since I couldn't go to that performance since i had an unavoidable trip to germany. Years later I saw an extensive TV program about him.( in a german satellite TV station) I saw him do very surprising acts such as hanging completely naked 2- 3 meter above the floor with a dozen of hooks piercing his body and supported by wires. He was controlling a mechanical machine that moved him back and forth. I saw also the act of controlling the robotic arm just by imperceptible tinny muscle movements and totally surrounded by mechanical paraphernalia and electrodes controlling lights and sounds. If you happen to hear about a performance of that artist nearby don't hesitate and go. It's a very unconventional and estrange way of art. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 14, 1998 5:10 pm Subject: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi again This is a bit out of topic for tadream but not too much. Well I went last night to the Kitaro concert and I wanted to comment the show. First of all I didn't tape it. I had to made a choice. The concert hall didn't allow taping or 'videoing' the show. Really they don't put a lot of effort to control this, but my wife asked me not to do itbecause she will get very nervous so I didn't. Then I showed her some 3 persons near us taping and doing videos (just in case TD comes here). Technically the show was from excellent - to fantastic. The sound equipment was superb. He had 3 speaker boxes on each side on the floor and 6 boxes on each side hanging from the ceiling together with another 6 more speakers in the center ( also hanging). This gave a fantastic 3D sound so even I was very close to the right speaker i could perceive the stereo- 3D effect quite balanced. As for sound quality it was excellent as well. Not too loud, very good EQ settings without the excess of bass Christian Von Toerne pointed out with TD latest concert in Bonn. So 5 stars to David Morgan, Kitaro's sound engineer and Stephen Tang the sound technician. There were six musicians, 3 males( Kitaro, keyboard and unconventional instruments, Angus Clark, guitars and Derek Zimmermann percussion) and 3 females (Keiko Takahashi, Fumine Ono and Dianna Dentino Keyboards) Talking about live and canned music. I tried to see how much they faked and how much it was live. Apart for the noises and effects that were controlled by a guy very near to the right speakers the rest was live. The percussion was very complete and very good (People gave a big hurrah When Kitaro presented Derek Zimmermann at the end of the show) Kitaro played an array of 4 keyboards controlling his characteristic sounds the rest of the keyboradists played live as well as far as i could perceive. Of course guitars were live too. That way of performing lead to a certain kind of music, very different from the sequencer-type TD used and uses. The show was a mix of soft and hard compositions. Magma, the opening piece began with 2 minutes of noise effects and very soft lights ( almost dark) artist entered the stage finally kitaro came. He played 11 themes in 90 minutes mostly taken from his latest album 'Cirque Ingenieux'. He played only one encore, even when people asked for another one. Artistically the show left me as cold as ice. I asked my wife and she told me it was the coldest performance she ever attended. latest time before Kitaro, we went to see Hedningarna, a swedish group. Well people were dancing and doing noises all the time excited by the frantic rhythms and tunes. It was so hot the group had to do 6 encores!. O.K. Kitaro's music is not that king of music but try to catch my point. Even, there were some interesting parts such as when Kitaro played what he call Beam and Sandoor. Beam is as far as I saw a squared box with an antenna. As he approached his hand to that antenna pith of sound was higher in a continuous way. He combined Beam with Sandoor, a long corded structure. But his music uses the same recipe all the time with such stupidly simple tunes using the too much conventional major and minor modes. The better parts were the noises and effects. Even the Taiko drumming is not so great. It makes a big noise but it's just this, a noise. From the rhythmic point of view Kitaro is a big null( IMHO). One last comment/question mark. The leaflet of the Spanish-portugeese tour( He did an extensive tour: Madrid, Leon, Barcelona, Zaragoza, Murcia, Granada, Lisboa, Porto, Salamanca, Santander, Coruņa and Bilbao (to be performed today)) it's mentioned ' During a trip to London he met Klaus Schulze, the innovative german musician, leader of the pioneers of the electronic genre, Tangerine Dream, discovering the versatility of synthesizer and blah, blah blah... Well, did he really met Edgar and he he is wrong about the name or he met Klaus and he is wrong about the leadership of Klaus whthin TD ? regards ---francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12012 Re: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing Paul Nagle Sat 3/14/1998 3 KB 12016 'Beam' Brian E. Kirby Sat 3/14/1998 3 KB 12020 Re: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing DJS Sun 3/15/1998 4 KB 12022 Re: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing Paul Nagle Sun 3/15/1998 3 KB 12023 Re: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing Paul Nagle Sun 3/15/1998 3 KB 12024 Re: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing SRiser3600 Sun 3/15/1998 2 KB 12026 Re: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing Francisco Salgado C. Sun 3/15/1998 4 KB 12028 Re: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing Paul Nagle Sun 3/15/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 14, 1998 6:39 pm Subject: Re: Eurock etc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > I disagree Dan. > I am self employed and if a customer has a complaint - I want to hear about > it - otherwise how can I improve my service to them?? > The point of telling Archie was that there WAS some dissent amongst his > customers that he may not be aware of - and as his mane was being dragged > around in mud by more than one person, it was only fair to give him his > say.......my mail excluded the name of the complainant - it certainly would > have been unfair of me to give the writers name - put yourself in Archies > shoes - people are slanging around his name saying (mostly) that his > service is poor/expensive - if he doesn't know of these complaints - how > can he correct them?? > It would be great if you set up as a trader - I would be more than happy to > supply all Champagne lake titles to you.........who knows - one of your > customers may be showing signs of dissatisfaction one day......would YOU > not want to know about it?? > > Cheers and good luck with your venture! > > Ash I don't disagree that you forwarded the mail...I just think you should have asked Steve if he minded. Of course I'd want to know if any customers of mine were disatisfied, but I'd prefer to hear from the customer himself. If the customer rants to others without telling me about, I couldn't care less about what the customer has to say. The simple fact is, the customer is NOT always right anyway. Of course now I'm wading away from the topic. I just feel that it was quite obvious that it was Steve who wrote the letter, so in effect you were actually telling Archie it was Steve whether or not you posted the name. Regarding Archie's shoes, heh, I am in his shoes technically but on a much larger scale. We get dozens of mail order calls everyday and deal with unreasonable (sometimes just plain retarded) customers. In any case if there's always been a prob that's our fault I've corrected it and made the customer happy one way or another (no Fixx jokes please). Archie just seems to not give a flying %^$# if his customers are happy or not. Of course, I only let him mess up my order once, then moved onto another mail order outlet so perhaps he's doing better with his customers. In any case, my whole involvement with this discussion was to just acknowledge the courtesy of letting a guy know when you're forwarding his mail..that's all. Please, everyone, don't let my words discourage you from ordering from Eurock. I had a bad experience... but that doesn't mean you will. Thanks again for the offer Ash..I'll be contacting you for a catalog of titles ;-) Regards, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: The EUROCK/Feldman Debacle EUROCK/Archie Patterson , Dano ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:44:42 -0800 >Subject: Re: Eurock! >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: DJS > >> Really-From: 'ashok prema' >> >>As [...] Eurock/Archie Pattterson stocks Champagne Lake releases, I was >>interested in S. Feldman's complaints and copied it to Archie..... >>omitting SF's name ............his reply is interesting [...] >> >>|Ashok, [...] >>|I know who this guy is - Steven Feldman. He bought 2 Bargain Bin CDs >>|(all items in the BB were 1 copy only items, offered at a special low >>|price). He sent me about 10 emails asking questions and trying to >>|get me to drop my prices, etc. Clarification: I tried--rather unsuccessfully--to get him to lower his postage, handling, and insurance charges--not the prices of his products. I e-mailed him many times, because he--like many people on the net-- is rather bad at expressing himself succinctly enough to remove the possibility of misinterpretation. >>|I am very surprised at the nasty tone of what he writes. He seemed a >>|bit of a pain [...] Most people tend to think so. I am thorough, dogged and determined when I encounter resistance and/or vagueness. >>|[...] Needless to say it was a pain dealing with him and now to read >>|this makes me wish I wasn't in the business for all these years. >>|Someone slanders me and I can do nothing. > >Who slandered him?? It was true! Thanks, Dano. ;) >Now, I have to complained about this, being in the business of mail >order CD's to a MUCH larger degree than Archie. I would say Ash owes >Steven an apology. I mean, how obvious to Arch it was Steve that wrote >the letter...even after you took his name out...and to send Arch the >flame without asking Steve was, IMO, uncalled for & uncool. I certainly >wouldn't want my mail forwarded to a business I complain about unless >I'm the one sending it to them myself. Not critisizing you Ash, but it >might be better, as a courtesy, to ask before forwarding something >volatile like that without asking the author. JMO, of course. I have to agree. Everyone here knows that I can be quite crass and direct about my feelings when I'm online, but if and when you want to truly make a comment anonymous, at least remove the parts of the comment that identify the comment's writer so blatantly! My name was removed, but what remained was so obviously from me that it's pathetic. >Message-ID: <3509E815.6F4C@g...> >Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:14:45 -0800 >From: DJS >To: Steven Feldman >Subject: Re: Mind If I Forward Your Comments to Eurock? > >Steven Feldman wrote: >> >>Dano, >> I plan on making a retort to the comments that Ash, Archie and you >>have made re Eurock and to send them to both the tadream list and to >>Eurock . . . if that's okay with you you. Let me know. > >That's cool, I won't do business with Archie anyway. > >Dano Okay. Great. Thanks. >Message-Id: <199803141546.JAA22533@c...> >Subject: Eurock etc >Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:38:20 -0000 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Really-From: 'ashok prema' > >>[. . .] I would say Ash owes Steven an apology. I mean, how obvious to >>Arch it was Steve that wrote the letter...even after you took his name >>out... [. . .] it might be better, as a courtesy, to ask before >>forwarding something volatile like that without asking the author. >>JMO, of course. > >I disagree Dan. >I am self employed and if a customer has a complaint - I want to hear >about it -- otherwise how can I improve my service to them?? If the customer doesn't want you to know his feelings about the matter, yet wants to tell others, tough luck. After I went to see SPHERE, I told the ushers that it bit, and told all my friends that it bit, but did I write to or call the film company that released it? No. >The point of telling Archie was that there WAS some dissent amongst his >customers that he may not be aware of -- and as his name was being >dragged around in mud by more than one person, it was only fair to give >him his say.......my mail excluded the name of the complainant -- it >certainly would have been unfair of me to give the writers name -- put >yourself in Archie's shoes -- people are slanging around his name saying >(mostly) that his service is poor/expensive -- if he doesn't know of >these complaints -- how can he correct them?? As with other outfits with which I am not thrilled, sometimes they are 'the only game in town,' so sometimes I have to grin and bear it. I had hoped to have been able to do suchlike with Eurock, but now, thanks to your forwarded comments to him, this will most likely no longer be possible. So, you lost Archie some revenue because of your forwarding what you did to him. There were three items I had tried to pre-pay via Eurock because they were out of stock--pending arrival: 1) IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE? $9.00 2) IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE? $9.00 (an additional copy for someone who didn't want to deal with Eurock prior to all this nonsense; and no, I won't give you his name) 3) EARLY WATER by Hoenig/Gottsching $18.00. So, I guess Champagne Lake lost out on some revenue, too, as a result of this silliness (since I don't know where else to get this CD at a decent price stateside). >It would be great if you set up as a trader -- I would be more than >happy to supply all Champagne lake titles to you.........who knows -- >one of your customers may be showing signs of dissatisfaction one >day......would YOU not want to know about it?? Until you become omniscient, it is not your prerogative. >Message-Id: <199803141736.LAA24619@c...> >Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:39:36 -0800 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: Re: Eurock etc >Really-From: DJS > [Ash said:] >>I disagree Dan. >>I am self employed and if a customer has a complaint -- I want to hear >>about it -- otherwise how can I improve my service to them?? [. . .] > >I don't disagree that you forwarded the mail...I just think you should >have asked Steve if he minded. Of course I'd want to know if any >customers of mine were disatisfied, but I'd prefer to hear from the >customer himself. If the customer rants to others without telling me >about, I couldn't care less about what the customer has to say. The >simple fact is, the customer is NOT always right anyway. [. . .] Word-of-mouth is a fact of an open marketplace. The customer is not obligated to direct his complaints to the merchant. >[. . .] I just feel that it was quite obvious that it was Steve who >wrote the letter, so in effect you were actually telling Archie it was >Steve whether or not you posted the name. Exactly. A little tact in selecting and omitting quoted text sent to Eurock would have been nice. I tend not to call people 'limp-dick' or 'laughing boy' to their faces (although I have called many people 'lame-o' directly). I used the terms I used in service of humor, since this list (i.e. tadream) is not a dry forum for the unbiased reportage like Cliff Tuel's Yello mailing list. >Regarding Archie's shoes, heh, I am in his shoes technically but on a >much larger scale. We get dozens of mail order calls everyday and deal >with unreasonable (sometimes just plain retarded) customers. [. . .] Yup. They're/I'm out there/here. ;) >Archie just seems to not give a flying %^$# if his customers are happy >or not. Of course, I only let him mess up my order once, then moved onto >another mail order outlet so perhaps he's doing better with his >customers. [. . .] Well, now; that's some more 'slander' for Archie to dwell on, I suppose. -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, 1960. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Claudia Christian; Steve Roach ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:44:24 -0800 >Subject: Re: A New Source: Super EM! >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: DJS > >[. . .] we've recently put out Claudia Christian's (Babylon 5) 2 song >single titled, Taboo, for her (woo hoo! the cover is HOT too!). [. . .] Yow! I've got the tape to HEXED and five stills from the movie, too! She *is* hot! Still, that's not enough for me to actually go as far as to watch BABYLON 5. I watch STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE 9, STAR TREK: VOYAGER, THE OUTER LIMITS (on Showtime), and THE X-FILES, but not B5. >[. . .] We have some VERY interesting projects in the works I can't >mention yet but e-music fans have waited for a specific electronic >soundtrack to be put on CD for over 16 years, and we're working on >getting it out as soon as we can. [. . .] So, the movie--whatever it is--is from 1980 or 1981? I have no idea whatsoever what it could be. >[. . .] We're hoping to work with Franke on some special editions of B5 >releases as well. [. . .] Oh brother. Can you say 'Jim and Pablo'? :( ;) There are already 12 B5 CDs. Aren't those enough? ;) >NO new age inquiries please...you can find Tesh, Yanni or Enya at any >target, KMart or Walmart. This will be mostly UK/German e-music scene. >Sorry Mr. Roach, you can keep playing your zimbabwe flute in >Australia..you won't be in our catalog heh heh. Yessirreebob. It's comments like that that almost got me bumped from GoldTri! I'm still subscribed to the Space Music list because I don't want to miss info on folks like Robert Carty and Jonn Serrie, but I *do* delete most of the postings I receive from that list. I think Steve Roach has a lot to answer for for ruining much of what we call space music today with his inclusion of ethnic/tribal/worldbeat inanity. -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 15, 1998 2:21 am Subject: Re: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:10:45 +0000, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >Artistically the show left me as cold as ice. I asked my wife and she >told me it was the coldest performance she ever attended. latest time What a pity. I saw him at the Albert Hall and the whole thing was magical - one of the best gigs I ever saw. His simple melodies are quite wonderful and the contrast of dark to light compelling. Contrast this with Edgar's latest miming extravaganza - I bet at least Kitaro moved! I guess there could be several explanations : different strokes, a perception thing, he really wasn't so good this time ..... or something beyond explanation. Sorry you didn't enjoy it. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: High Priced Eno and TD CDs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:00:49 -0800 >Subject: Re: What is EUROCK/Archie Patterson's Problem? >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Elias Granillo, Jr. > >>Really-From: Steven Feldman >> >>[. . .] I just sent a copy of Eno's MUSIC FOR THE WHITE CUBE to >>someone--in a box, with a shitload of bubblewrap without insurance-- >>for just $3. And I had received $115 for this CD! I mean, come on: > >It frightens me that someone would pay that kind of money for a Brian >Eno CD. What exactly was on it? [. . .] Don't laugh too hard: there are people paying $50.00 and up for a *bootleg* of TD's 'Ultima Thule' 45 as we speak. There were only 300 copies pressed of MUSIC FOR THE WHITE CUBE. It is excerpts from the accompaniment to an art installation in England. It is ambient stuff--similar to MUSIC FOR AIRPORTS, ON LAND, THURSDAY AFTERNOON, and THE SHUTOV ASSEMBLY. It cost 25 Pounds, originally, and it wound up costing me $47 in total after factoring in the fee for a bank draft in pounds and postage. Three weeks after I bought it, the price went up to about $80, and then the exhibition was over, which drove the standard going price up to $120. I put it up for bid at $115. I sent the winner the CD, and along with it: the receipt for the bank draft I sent--and the reply I received from the art gallery that came with the CD. There were 2000 copies made of QUINOA, remember--and going price for *that* used to be $120 until 300 copies were 'discovered' in a warehouse. Now that Voiceprint is sold out of them, the price is about $80 per copy. QUINOA clocks in at 29 mins. MUSIC FOR THE WHITE CUBE is 61 mins. long. See my point? ;) I know you hate Eno's ambient work, Eli, but I'm the sort of e-music fan who thinks that 'Prophecy' is the *only* good thing on the DUNE soundtrack. (no smiley; I was an Eno fan before I was a TD fan) Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, R. Carty, Greinke, Serrie. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12021 Re: High Priced Eno and TD CDs Elias Granillo, Jr. Sun 3/15/1998 3 KB 12115 Re: High Priced Eno and TD CDs feldon@p... Wed 3/18/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 14, 1998 9:40 pm Subject: Re: A New Source: Super EM! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quote From: DJS > > > Well, I'm discussing this with the guys at SC so we'll see. We have a > lot of connections to the e-music, video game music and soundtrack > producers so you can count on the fact that if we do start a new EMMO > service it will simply be the best. Just so you know I'm not just [...] Excellent! I look forward to being one of your customers! > ranting I would like to acknowledge that we've recently put out Claudia > Christian's (Babylon 5) 2 song single titled, Taboo, for her (woo hoo! > the cover is HOT too!). This month will see our release of the > soundtrack to Krull by film composer James Horner in it's entirety > (2-CDs) for the first time ever. Interesting, I like Krull. Don't watch B5 tho. We have some VERY interesting projects > in the works I can't mention yet but e-music fans have waited for a > specific electronic soundtrack to be put on CD for over 16 years, and > we're working on getting it out as soon as we can. Lessee, this is 1998... 16 years... 1, 2, 3,... OO! OO! If this is what I think it is, I'm gonna shit a ton of happy bricks!!! 8-)~ If it is, please don't rush on it too fast. Make sure a good job is done. (I'm sure you will do a good job) [...] > catalog of WS items. Also, if you are an independant musician (hey > Grant, Paul, Riley!) forward me your info and I'll add it to my catalog. I guess I'm not on that list cuz I'm not on CD (except for N388). :-) It's understandable, and I'm not ready to go to that next level yet anyawy. In more TD-related stuff, does anyone know when TimeSquare, Ambient Monkeys, etc are supposed to hit local stores in the US? (I don't feel like mail ordering them) I'm glad I didn't order Luminous Visions, I don't think I want that CD. (the video ought to be neat, tho) I wanna get Ages and Macula Transfer, but I guess I'll have to mail order them when I can get motivated. I'm also looking forward to hearing the Infinite Horizons set, to see if I would in fact like some of the other artists covered in the BTH magazine. Dave B. (crossing my fingers!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12038 New Info on Infinite Horizons Brian E. Kirby Mon 3/16/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Matching the LUMINOUS VISIONS CD to the Video ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:50:42 -0600 (CST) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: Luminous Visions Info >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >I haven't seen the video yet, but the running time is listed as 45 >minutes and has 11 tracks... > >The CD has a longer running time (about 70 minutes) with 12 tracks... >However, the track list closely parallels THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES... > > 1) Jungle Journey (Reptile Mix) (6.20) > 2) Towards the Evening Star (6.21) > 3) Rough Embrace (5.30) > 4) Catwalk (Black Ink Mix) (8.12) > 5) Touchwood (the Forest Mix) (4.02) > 6) Change of the Gods (7.19) > 7) Bride in Cold Tears (The Motown Monk Mix) (5.31) > 8) Little Blonde in the Park Of Attractions (The Thai Dub) (4.09) > 9) Firetongues (The Break Freak Mix) (6.18) >10) Sojus (9.19) >11) Flashflood (7.01) >12) Midwinter Night (4.36) Wow! Three of my fave TD tracks of the last five years, back-to- back: 'Towards the Evening Star,' 'Rought Embrace,' and 'Catwalk' (Black Ink Mix'! :) *Somebody* was thinking! ;) :) >The difference are that tracks 2, 11, and 12 don't appear on Video >Dream Mixes, whereas San Rocco appears on [VIDEO DREAM MIXES] but not >[LUMINOUS VISIONS]. Strange. I wonder why that might be. >Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:03:40 -0700 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: Luminous Visions >Really-From: Tom Gerardy > >OK so here's the video part, nobody better than me ['better than me'?] >at this has done it yet so... > >The video is divided into 11 'tracks' as follows: > > 1) The Conception > 2) Sea Dance > 3) Exponential Growth > 4) Hyperkinetic > 5) Perceptual Fusion > 6) Focal Point > 7) Spherical > 8) Liquid Life > 9) Morphological Inception >10) Exotica >11) Artificial Life Trip > >Each piece uses one of the TD pieces and the 12th audio track plays over >the end credits. > >Modern era TD works quite well as the soundtrack for this animated >video, but it is a plus for the video not for the music. The pieces are >faded in and out fairly tastefully if you aren't primarily listening to >the music or aren't familiar with the music. It wasn't butchered, but I >did notice. > >Overall I liked it, but I like that sort of thing. I also own 'The >Mind's Eye', 'Beyond The Mind's Eye', etc. and have a long standing >interest in computer graphics and animation. My recomendation is, don't >buy it for the TD, but if you want to watch some eye candy to TD go for >it. Other than buying the package to get ahold of the CD so that I can hear tracks 2-4, 6, and 11 all on the same disc (yeah!), I'd like to have the video as an incentive to get infidels (i.e. non-TD fanatics) to like--or at least check out--the band. 1) Jungle Journey (Rep Mix) (6.20) 1) The Conception 2) Towards the Evening Star (6.21) 2) Sea Dance 3) Rough Embrace (5.30) 3) Exponential Growth 4) Catwalk (Black Ink Mix) (8.12) 4) Hyperkinetic 5) Touchwood (Forest Mix) (4.02) 5) Perceptual Fusion 6) Change of the Gods (7.19) 6) Focal Point 7) Bride in CT (M Monk Mix) (5.31) 7) Spherical 8) Little Blonde (Thai Dub) (4.09) 8) Liquid Life 9) Firetongues (BFreak Mix) (6.18) 9) Morphological Inception 10) Sojus (9.19) 10) Exotica 11) Flashflood (7.01) 11) Artificial Life Trip 12) Midwinter Night (4.36) 12) (end credits theme) Okay, now, who's going to match up the CD tracks with the video tracks and to give the video track's running times? (Is/will there be a laserdisk release of this that comes with a free CD, too?) -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, 1960. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 14, 1998 4:43 pm Subject: 'Beam' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby' > Even, there were some interesting parts such as when Kitaro played what > he call Beam and Sandoor. Beam is as far as I saw a squared box with an > antenna. As he approached his hand to that antenna pith of sound was > higher in a continuous way. He combined Beam with Sandoor, a long > corded structure. Kitaro may call it 'Beam', but it sounds quite a bit like a Theremin (sp?), which was invented by a Russian of the same name. Most notable uses include the Beach Boys in 'Good Vibrations' and, of course, Led Zeppelin in the live version of 'Dazed and Confused.' 'Writers are monkeys who mean' - David Foster Wallace From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 14, 1998 11:12 pm Subject: monolight ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: tangram so far, i've only been able to track down this song only on one CD which is 'live' the song is titled 'MONOLIGHT' and i'm 100% sure there's a studio version of this song somewhere... does any1 know where? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12030 monolight Michael A Jean Sun 3/15/1998 2 KB 12036 Re: monolight Vic Rek Mon 3/16/1998 2 KB 12058 Re: monolight =?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWW Mon 3/16/1998 3 KB 12124 Re: monolight AOutland Wed 3/18/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 15, 1998 3:51 am Subject: Re: Suggestions... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gilles Nadeau' About TD album's, For Me the best albums are: Rubycon, Poland (the first piece is a must...) , Cyclone, 220 volt but I like all the others.... ---------- > De : tadream mailing list > A : tadream@c... > Objet : Re: Suggestions... > Date : 13 mars, 1998 21:48 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Really-From: AOutland > > > In a message dated 98-03-12 09:43:22 EST, you write: > > << His only stipulation was that the music 'go somewhere' as opposed to > 'meandering about'. I believe you all get his drift. > > So... I have some opinions of my own, but I'd also like some suggestions > from you all for those TD tracks that you feel 'go somewhere' (i.e. 'kick > some butt'). >> > Definitely I would recommend LiveMiles. Also Tangram, Logos. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 15, 1998 5:43 am Subject: Re: Claudia Christian; Steve Roach & peyote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > >[. . .] We're hoping to work with Franke on some special editions of B5 > >releases as well. [. . .] > > Oh brother. Can you say 'Jim and Pablo'? :( ;) There are already > 12 B5 CDs. Aren't those enough? ;) For me there are, for all the B5 & Franke fans with deniro in their pocket that we want to use to expand our business...there aren't. ;-) > > >NO new age inquiries please...you can find Tesh, Yanni or Enya at any > >target, KMart or Walmart. This will be mostly UK/German e-music scene. > >Sorry Mr. Roach, you can keep playing your zimbabwe flute in > >Australia..you won't be in our catalog heh heh. > > Yessirreebob. It's comments like that that almost got me bumped > from GoldTri! Getting bumped from Goldtri is not that easy. You have to make some reference to sex in conjunction with the list owner to get hurled. However, I think I was special so it might not work anymore. ;-) I'm still subscribed to the Space Music list because I > don't want to miss info on folks like Robert Carty and Jonn Serrie, but > I *do* delete most of the postings I receive from that list. I think > Steve Roach has a lot to answer for for ruining much of what we call > space music today with his inclusion of ethnic/tribal/worldbeat inanity. > > -- Steven Feldman I think Steve Roach smokes peyote these days. He started off on a good synth tangent (pardon the pun) but ended up playing cards around a campfire with Coyote Oldman. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 15, 1998 5:47 am Subject: Re: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Paul Nagle > > On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:10:45 +0000, tadream@c... (tadream > mailing list) wrote: > > >Artistically the show left me as cold as ice. I asked my wife and she > >told me it was the coldest performance she ever attended. latest time > > What a pity. I saw him at the Albert Hall and the whole thing was > magical - one of the best gigs I ever saw. His simple melodies are > quite wonderful and the contrast of dark to light compelling. Contrast > this with Edgar's latest miming extravaganza - I bet at least Kitaro > moved! > > I guess there could be several explanations : different strokes, a > perception thing, he really wasn't so good this time ..... or > something beyond explanation. > > Sorry you didn't enjoy it. > > Paul I've never seen Kitaro but I'd actually like to watch him in 'action'. I only own his Milennia release (which reminded me of the sad music from faces of death when they slaughtered the cows heh) but I can't imagine anyone needing more than one of his releases. Like old pink years TD...who needs more than one release? If you have Atem...you have all you need from the first 5 releases. Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12022 Re: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing Paul Nagle Sun 3/15/1998 3 KB 12023 Re: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing Paul Nagle Sun 3/15/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 15, 1998 7:16 am Subject: Re: High Priced Eno and TD CDs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > I know you hate Eno's ambient work, Eli, but I'm the sort of > e-music fan who thinks that 'Prophecy' is the *only* good thing on the > DUNE soundtrack. (no smiley; I was an Eno fan before I was a TD fan) Look out for flying ceramic plates from Dano's corner, but I like that track, too! E-Man np: Le Orme, *Il Fiume* From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 15, 1998 4:31 pm Subject: Re: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:47:12 -0800, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >TD...who needs more than one release? If you have Atem...you have all >you need from the first 5 releases. Unless you like them..... those. Mind you there are still some good tunes in some of the others but why listen to just the same boring collection of instruments and sounds if all that changes are the notes? After all, the notes aren't relevant to us emusic types, are they? ;-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 15, 1998 4:31 pm Subject: Re: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:47:12 -0800, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >TD...who needs more than one release? If you have Atem...you have all >you need from the first 5 releases. Unless you like them..... those. Mind you there are still some good tunes in some of the others but why listen to just the same boring collection of instruments and sounds if all that changes are the notes? After all, the notes aren't relevant to us emusic types, are they? ;-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 15, 1998 1:33 pm Subject: Re: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: SRiser3600 ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A U.S. TOUR FOR KITARO ?? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 15, 1998 7:20 pm Subject: Re: Seeing vs. Hearing (ambient sound) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Paul Nagle > > On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:47:12 -0800, tadream@c... (tadream > mailing list) wrote: > > >TD...who needs more than one release? If you have Atem...you have all > >you need from the first 5 releases. > Unless you like them..... > those. Mind you there are still some good tunes in some of the others > but why listen to just the same boring collection of instruments and > sounds if all that changes are the notes? After all, the notes aren't > relevant to us emusic types, are they? I am very partial to melody in my music. The slow ambient stuff is great if all you want is an atmoshere in the room that's usually dark and industrial but I usually want to actually travel somewhere other than a lifeless post-apocalypic battlefield when I hear my music. I do actually like ambient sound (sorry, I can't call it music), in fact I was given a terrific ambient 'score' from the folks at Interplay. The musician is, get ready to laugh, Mark Morgan (is he your reverse twin Morgan?) and the OST is for the game titled Fallout. It's quite interesting as far as ambient sound goes..but I'd rarely reach for it because it puts me in a dark place I don't usually like being in (as does most ambient stuff). Now, music with a dark melody..that's a different story. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 15, 1998 7:40 pm Subject: Re: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: Paul Nagle > > On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:10:45 +0000, tadream@c... (tadream > mailing list) wrote: > > >Artistically the show left me as cold as ice. I asked my wife and she > >told me it was the coldest performance she ever attended. latest time > > What a pity. I saw him at the Albert Hall and the whole thing was > magical - one of the best gigs I ever saw. His simple melodies are > quite wonderful and the contrast of dark to light compelling. Contrast > this with Edgar's latest miming extravaganza - I bet at least Kitaro > moved! Don't misunderstand me. I enjoyed the show even I his music didn't touch me. My wife liked too. It's only it wasn't emotive. > I guess there could be several explanations : different strokes, a > perception thing, he really wasn't so good this time ..... or > something beyond explanation. It's my perception. You see, You find those simple tunes wonderful, I find them uninteresting. Compared to Himekami, another japanese e-music group, I like the later much better and both use electronics and japanese traditional tunes but Himekami has more warmth to me. Look for Moonwater or Cipangu ( by Himekami) and you'll see what I mean. And seeing Kitaro live didn't change my opinion, but I agree his show is worthwhile. > Sorry you didn't enjoy it. As I told you I did. I don't feel I've wasted my money. ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 15, 1998 10:03 am Subject: Re: Luminous Visions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi Does somebody know where to find Luminous Visions in european (PAL) format ? Regards Francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12031 Luminous Visions Michael A Jean Sun 3/15/1998 3 KB 13294 Luminous Visions TangerineC Thu 4/23/1998 2 KB 13295 Luminous Visions TangerineC Thu 4/23/1998 2 KB 13457 Luminous Visions Sean Montgomery Thu 4/30/1998 4 KB 14036 Luminous Visions Tom807@a... Sat 5/30/1998 3 KB 14058 Re: Luminous Visions AR402004@B... Mon 6/1/1998 3 KB 14059 Re: Luminous Visions Tom807@a... Mon 6/1/1998 3 KB 17322 Re: Luminous Visions James Horecka, AIA Wed 7/28/1999 1 KB 17323 Luminous Visions Joel Mullen Wed 7/28/1999 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 1:42 am Subject: Re: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle >TD...who needs more than one release? If you have Atem...you have all >you need from the first 5 releases. Unless you like them.........and if you have Haydn's 100th symphony, you have all you need of those. Mind you there are still some good tunes in some of the others but why listen to just the same boring collection of instruments and sounds if all that changes are the notes? After all, the notes aren't relevant to us emusic types, are they? ;-) Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 15, 1998 8:53 pm Subject: Re: The EUROCK/Feldman Debacle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Rich Maggio OK, I feel the need to speak up here. The last I heard, these mailing lists are a PUBLIC forum. How did you not know that Archie wasn't a subscriber to this mailing list, or that someone he knows is on it? I think it is absurd to complain that your comments were forwarded to Archie. If you have a perfectly valid point (which I am sure you do) and stand by it, so what if he found out about it?!? I had a bad experience with an online CD company and I sent a message to this list detailing my experience. I didn't care if they found out - I copied them on the message!!! And even if I didn't copy them on it, I would have assumed that they would have received a copy since I was making my statement in a public forum. If 'retribution' is a concern, then the comments should not have been made in a public forum. Period. Just my 2 cents. Rich Maggio > direct about my feelings when I'm online, but if and when you want to > truly make a comment anonymous, at least remove the parts of the comment > that identify the comment's writer so blatantly! My name was removed, > but what remained was so obviously from me that it's pathetic. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12035 Re: The EUROCK/Feldman Debacle David Datta Mon 3/16/1998 4 KB 12039 Re: The EUROCK/Feldman Debacle Elias Granillo, Jr. Mon 3/16/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 15, 1998 9:11 pm Subject: monolight ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean RE: Where does Monolight appear: Encore (live) TD 70-80 Box (shortened single version) Tangents Box Set (redone studio version) MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 15, 1998 9:14 pm Subject: Luminous Visions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Steve Feldman asked about comparing the CD and the Video... I believe the songs run in the same order on the video as they are listed on the CD, they are just shortened on the video... I don't know about a Laserdisc Version, but there will be a DVD... IMHO, the video provides an excellent backdrop for the music (or vice versa)... It all comes together beautifully, except the last track doesn;t seem to be sychronized as well as the rest... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 15, 1998 9:18 pm Subject: D: Ambient Monkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean PROS: Interesting Artwork Remembering the anticipation of a TD concert (pre-show music) Some cool ideas, and the incorporation of some more classical themes (well some people may dislike that) CONS: Just one long track (no cues to the different tracks) You have to be 'in the mood' to listen to it all the way through Jungle sounds sometimes drown out interesting stuff down in the mix MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12047 D: Ambient Monkeys Tom Gerardy Mon 3/16/1998 4 KB 13174 D: Ambient Monkeys Boneheads1 Mon 4/20/1998 4 KB 13195 D: Ambient Monkeys PENFOLD Mon 4/20/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 15, 1998 9:24 pm Subject: Eurock again! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Well I didn't expect to become involved in this matter, but... In all the years I have been buying from Archie I have never been mis-shipped or had an order go unfilled, or had any other problems... I mean, you can't stay in business all these years unless you are doing something right... Maybe the prices for shipping are higher than you would like to pay, but everyone is free to shop elsewhere if you can find the stuff... Let everyone reach there own conclusions on the matter, and lets move on already!!! MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12034 Eurock & Progtron Addendum Mike Livsey Sun 3/15/1998 4 KB 12040 Re: Eurock again! DJS Mon 3/16/1998 3 KB 12045 Re: Eurock again! Elias Granillo, Jr. Mon 3/16/1998 3 KB 12057 Re: Eurock again! DJS Mon 3/16/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 7:51 am Subject: Eurock & Progtron Addendum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:24:44 -0600 (CST), you wrote: >Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > >Well I didn't expect to become involved in this matter, but... > >In all the years I have been buying from Archie I have never been >mis-shipped or had an order go unfilled, or had any other problems... > >I mean, you can't stay in business all these years unless you are doing >something right... > >Maybe the prices for shipping are higher than you would like to pay, but >everyone is free to shop elsewhere if you can find the stuff... > >Let everyone reach there own conclusions on the matter, and lets move on >already!!! > >MJ > > I just talked to Archie today; he's currently being scr*wed by MC & Visa for entering CC orders manually as opposed to swiping someone's card, plus they're dinging him for foreign orders. He doesn't ship enough volume to eat those charges... He recommended that I go back to using money orders for future purchases... Ranjit's out of business until September as he's too busy tying to make ends meet. It just doesn't pay to be an indie... -- Mike Livsey 'A woman is a lot like a beer; they smell good, they look good, and you would step over your own mother just to get one. But you can't stop at just one; you wanna drink another woman.' --Homer J. Simpson From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 3:09 am Subject: Re: The EUROCK/Feldman Debacle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: Steven Feldman : >Steven an apology. I mean, how obvious to Arch it was Steve that wrote : >the letter...even after you took his name out...and to send Arch the : >flame without asking Steve was, IMO, uncalled for & uncool. I certainly : >wouldn't want my mail forwarded to a business I complain about unless : >I'm the one sending it to them myself. Not critisizing you Ash, but it : >might be better, as a courtesy, to ask before forwarding something : >volatile like that without asking the author. JMO, of course. : : I have to agree. Everyone here knows that I can be quite crass and : direct about my feelings when I'm online, but if and when you want to : truly make a comment anonymous, at least remove the parts of the comment : that identify the comment's writer so blatantly! My name was removed, : but what remained was so obviously from me that it's pathetic. Well, I think you are completely wrong here. What makes you think that Archie is not on the list or doesn't regularly get postings that relate to him via list archives? If he was on the list, would you have posted the complaint? Did you bother to check if he is here? All messages posted to the mailing list here are archived via several archiving engines that are publically searchable. Once you post to this list, your mail is PUBLIC, it can be copied to ANYONE by ANYONE. There is no implied privacy on this list. If you don't want someone to see what you have to say, think before you post it and don't post it here if you want it kept from someone. It doesn't matter if you have good or bad things to say about something, when you say it here, it will be archived, it will be sent to people you know and people you don't know. You cannot complain about lack of privacy when posting to a public forum. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 3:27 am Subject: Re: monolight ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Michael A Jean >RE: Where does Monolight appear: > >Encore (live) >TD 70-80 Box (shortened single version) >Tangents Box Set (redone studio version) Also on 7' vinyl. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 4:46 am Subject: Re: Meeting TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) I attended the Optical Race Tour concert at the Wiltern Theater in Los Angeles on September 23, 1988. After the concert, which was incredible by the way, I presented my TDIFC identification card to the stage crew staff in hopes of meeting the band as was promised in the newsletter. They told me and my 2 friends to wait a few minutes. They soon came back with autographed photocards from the band and explained to us that the guys were too tired to meet with any fans that night. What a disappointment that was for us. I mean we drove all the way from Utah (800 miles) to see them and actually meet them as well. I am arguably their biggest fan from Utah with close to 110 cd's by them and figured the least they could do was to say hello to us. Oh well, it was still worth it to see the concert, third row seats too! Maybe someday. Matt _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 15, 1998 10:30 pm Subject: New Info on Infinite Horizons ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby' Greetings All, For those of you who in Europe who wanted to get a copy of Infinite Horizons but did not want to have it shipped across an ocean or subscribe to Beyond the Horizon will be pleased to know that there are two other outlets for the release. Both Manikin in Germany (manikinms@a... or http://www.manikin.de) and Neuharmony in England (david@n... or http://www.newharm.demon.co.uk) will also have a limited amount of this release. For more information on price and shipping costs, you should either send Email to or visit the sites of the places I have listed. I will, of course, answer any other questions that I can. We now return you to the list, already in progress... -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 3:46 am Subject: Re: The EUROCK/Feldman Debacle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: David Datta > > Once you post to this list, your mail is PUBLIC, it can be copied to > ANYONE by ANYONE. There is no implied privacy on this list. If you > don't want someone to see what you have to say, think before you post > it and don't post it here if you want it kept from someone. True, true, people! Da Wiz has spoken, and I agree with the Seventh Insight of Datta. E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 4:57 am Subject: Re: Eurock again! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > Well I didn't expect to become involved in this matter, but... > > In all the years I have been buying from Archie I have never been > mis-shipped or had an order go unfilled, or had any other problems... > > I mean, you can't stay in business all these years unless you are doing > something right... Heh, where did you learn that? > > Maybe the prices for shipping are higher than you would like to pay, but > everyone is free to shop elsewhere if you can find the stuff... And everyone is free to complain about business' that suck (pardon the prolific word 'suck'). > > Let everyone reach there own conclusions on the matter, and lets move on > already!!! > > MJ You move on, we're having a discussion here...point, click, delete. It's quite simple actually. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 5:02 am Subject: Re: Eurock & Progtron Addendum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > I just talked to Archie today; he's currently being scr*wed by MC & > Visa for entering CC orders manually as opposed to swiping someone's > card, plus they're dinging him for foreign orders. He doesn't ship > enough volume to eat those charges... Well it's time to get a real job then I'd say. Hobbyists make poor salespeople. It's not smart to sell emusic just because you like it. Loving something can pay the bills but not if the majority of others don't love it. Let's face it, emusic does not sell well..period. True you can make extra money if you have it as a small side dish...but you can't make a living out of only emusic unless you are one of maybe 20 pioneers (TD, Jarre, Shreeve, Kraftwerk, etc). > > He recommended that I go back to using money orders for future > purchases... > > Ranjit's out of business until September as he's too busy tying to > make ends meet. This makes my point, and so does that fact that Minette Music is on the way out. > > It just doesn't pay to be an indie... I think Mike's just said the most intelligent thing here. It DOESN'T pay. You want to make money you sell pop or cinema. > -- > Mike Livsey Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12044 Re: Eurock & Progtron Addendum Elias Granillo, Jr. Mon 3/16/1998 3 KB 12048 Re: Eurock & Progtron Addendum Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 3/16/1998 3 KB 12050 Re: Eurock & Progtron Addendum Wall Of Sound Mon 3/16/1998 4 KB 12084 Re: Eurock & Progtron Addendum Plumer, Scott Tue 3/17/1998 2 KB 12117 Re: Eurock & Progtron Addendum feldon@p... Wed 3/18/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 5:15 am Subject: Re: The EUROCK/Feldman Debacle/intervention of Gandalf the wise ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > Really-From: David Datta > > > > Once you post to this list, your mail is PUBLIC, it can be copied to > > ANYONE by ANYONE. There is no implied privacy on this list. If you > > don't want someone to see what you have to say, think before you post > > it and don't post it here if you want it kept from someone. > > True, true, people! Da Wiz has spoken, and I agree with the Seventh Insight > of Datta. > > E-Man Haha, just call him Gandalf like we always do when talking to each other haha! Er, that's a compliment Dave. (Gandalf=oh wise one who controls the almighty TD list) ;-) Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12046 Re: The EUROCK/Feldman Debacle/intervention of Ga Elias Granillo, Jr. Mon 3/16/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 4:14 am Subject: Rolling Down... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) > > I attended the Optical Race Tour concert at the Wiltern Theater in Los > Angeles on September 23, 1988. After the concert, which was incredible > by the way, I presented my TDIFC identification card to the stage crew > staff in hopes of meeting the band as was promised in the newsletter. > They told me and my 2 friends to wait a few minutes. They soon came back > with autographed photocards from the band and explained to us that the > guys were too tired to meet with any fans that night. What a disappointment that was Too bad. That's what happens after TD spends a whole down piddling down Pico Boulevard. Dan and I waited along with others outside the Wiltern in '92, and the only sign of non-fan life we saw was Zlatko ducking out a side door, throwing a glance in our direction, then walking off in the opposite direction with some broad. Dan and I looked at each other, said 'Whatever!' and booked. E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 4:20 am Subject: Re: Eurock & Progtron Addendum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: DJS > > > This makes my point, and so does that fact that Minette Music is on the > way out. Too bad about Dave. Maybe he'd have more business if, for starters, he'd return my calls. After five rings, I gave up. > > It just doesn't pay to be an indie... > > I think Mike's just said the most intelligent thing here. It DOESN'T > pay. You want to make money you sell pop or cinema. Cinema! That's why I'm starting up an adult mail-order biz http://www.rocksoff.com/boner/hi/ E-Man Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12048 Re: Eurock & Progtron Addendum Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 3/16/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 4:27 am Subject: Re: Eurock again! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: DJS > > > In all the years I have been buying from Archie I have never been > > mis-shipped or had an order go unfilled, or had any other problems... > > > > I mean, you can't stay in business all these years unless you are doing > > something right... > > Heh, where did you learn that? The flipside: you *can,* but often you'll barely break even, or garner little profit, if at all. In E-Music, a mail-order supply can be the Kiss of Death if you try to make it your sole source of income. Even cans of beans are inexpensive, but when the dough gets low...Archie did quite well, I believe, retailing the Schulze box sets. E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 4:28 am Subject: Re: The EUROCK/Feldman Debacle/intervention of Gandalf the wise ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > True, true, people! Da Wiz has spoken, and I agree with the Seventh Insight > > of Datta. > > > > E-Man > > Haha, just call him Gandalf like we always do when talking to each other > haha! Er, that's a compliment Dave. (Gandalf=oh wise one who controls > the almighty TD list) ;-) > > Dano I don't think he'd mind if we called him 'Almighty,' hehe. Let's. E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: D: Ambient Monkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Gerardy For those that may want to listen to individual 'tracks' from ambient monkeys here is a first hack at starting times for the tracks: 1. Token from birdland 0:00 2. Symphony in a-minor 6:00 3. The seventh propeller of silence 8:05 4. Calyx Calamander 12:15 5. Largo 17:09 6. Riddle of the monkey tribe 20:36 7. Moon marble 23:42 8. Concerto in a-major 27:45 9. Lemon Vendor Khaly 29:50 10. Campera de Mon Glyan 32:40 11. Virtue is its own reward 37:27 12. Pantha rhei 40:36 13. Myopia world 44:52 Times are aproximate, the ambient parts usually get opaque and hide the musical parts for a minute or so between pieces and I basically recorded the time I could no longer here music underneath. Does anyone understand the line on the front which says: Dream folder #1 at Crimson's train lodge 'Myopia world' I understand the words, but communications are not established :-) Several pieces sound familiar, but not under these names. Unfortunately I am one of those people who has great difficulty attaching names to the songs even when much listened to, so I can't say easily what corresponds to what (or is related.) Anybody want to take that one on for me? --tom np: Klaus Schulze - X - Frank Herbert (rocks! I'm re-reading Dune so there is some Schulze listening obligatory...) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 6:09 am Subject: Re: Eurock & Progtron Addendum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 08:20 PM 3/15/1998 -0800, E-Man wrote: >> This makes my point, and so does that fact that Minette Music is on the >> way out. > >Too bad about Dave. Maybe he'd have more business if, for starters, he'd >return my calls. >After five rings, I gave up. Anyone who doesn't bother returning calls (messages left on an answering machine) NEEDS to be out of business. :-( >Cinema! That's why I'm starting up an adult mail-order biz >http://www.rocksoff.com/boner/hi/ Chickened out, eh? I see further possibilities with www.rocksoff.com. ;-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 6:54 am Subject: Re: Does No One Care? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'DAVID HAESLER' > I wish to unsubscribe to this mailing list and when i follow the > instructions exactly this is what happens: > > I get an email back saying: > > -- > > >>>> unsubscribe tadream-digest > **** unsubscribe: '' is not a member of list > 'tadream-digest'. > > Please can anyone help? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 5:54 pm Subject: Re: Eurock & Progtron Addendum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Wall Of Sound' On 15 Mar 98 at 21:02, tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: DJS > > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > > I just talked to Archie today; he's currently being scr*wed by MC & > > Visa for entering CC orders manually as opposed to swiping someone's > > card, plus they're dinging him for foreign orders. He doesn't ship > > enough volume to eat those charges... > > Well it's time to get a real job then I'd say. Hobbyists make poor > salespeople. well this one isn't serious and consistent enough. If you want to get in the business you have to know the ropes. Archie doesn't thence he wears peoples' nerves with his harrassing and costs them money in so called delays and incorrect charges for about everything. Do business with someone who is serious about business and is able to do straight deals. It's not smart to sell emusic just because you like it. > Loving something can pay the bills but not if the majority of others > don't love it. Let's face it, emusic does not sell well..period. True > you can make extra money if you have it as a small side dish...but you > can't make a living out of only emusic unless you are one of maybe 20 > pioneers (TD, Jarre, Shreeve, Kraftwerk, etc). > > > > He recommended that I go back to using money orders for future > > purchases... > > > > Ranjit's out of business until September as he's too busy tying to > > make ends meet. > > This makes my point, and so does that fact that Minette Music is on the > way out. > > > > > It just doesn't pay to be an indie... > > I think Mike's just said the most intelligent thing here. It DOESN'T > pay. You want to make money you sell pop or cinema. > > > -- > > Mike Livsey > > > Dano > > From: tadream@c... 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From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 1:08 pm Subject: B5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------ > Really-From: Steven Feldman > (...) > > Oh brother. Can you say 'Jim and Pablo'? :( ;) There are already > 12 B5 CDs. Aren't those enough? ;) > (...) > > -- Steven Feldman 12??? WHen were the last 5 released? Dan, are you letting me down ?? ;-) C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12059 Re: B5 DJS Mon 3/16/1998 4 KB 12087 Re: B5 Kees Tue 3/17/1998 3 KB 12106 Re: B5 Vic Rek Wed 3/18/1998 3 KB 12128 B5 Michael A Jean Wed 3/18/1998 2 KB 34222 B5 Michael Jean Tue 6/4/2002 2 KB 34235 Re: B5 Miguel Farah Wed 6/5/2002 2 KB 34231 Re: B5 Owens, James Tue 6/4/2002 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 4:32 pm Subject: My email address is changing! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' From: Conrad Gibbons To: Tadream Readers Yo dudes, IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CONTACT ME BY EMAIL: Please note that from 27 March 98 my email address changes to: conrad.gibbons@l... and my 'old' address will become defunct (conrad.gibbons@r...). For the curious amongst you where I work is now called Letterkenny Institute of Technology (hence lyit) and up until recently was termed a Regional Technical College (hence rtc)! While listening to Fort Worth Runway One on headphones the other day I noticed a 'click' at 1.49/1.50 into the track that sounds like it shouldn't be there! Anyone else notice this? Regards, Conrad Gibbons Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12063 Re: My email address is changing! =?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWW Mon 3/16/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 4:29 pm Subject: The Beam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' Re: Kitaro and The Beam ('...it's Pinky and The Brain' :-) ). The Beam is not a Theremin. Wayyy back in the early '80's, there was a rather exotic stringed device that (I think) Michael Sterns played quite a bit. If memory serves, it was an 18-foot long aluminum (titanium? Naah, would be way too expensive! 'Strategic material'.) beam with 'X' number of metal wires, strung from end to end. It was played kinda like the way that you would play a steel guitar. I don't remember this all that well, so I could have a few of the details screwed up, corrections welcomed. CD's that I remember having The Beam on them were by Kitaro, Michael Sterns and Craig Huxley (he was the guy that played the kid on the original 'Lost In Space'; the CD was a waste of polycarbonate, to put it nicely...) NP: FSOL / Dead Cities ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs@s... Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12055 Re: The Beam SRiser3600 Mon 3/16/1998 2 KB 12070 Re: The Beam Elias Granillo, Jr. Tue 3/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 5:18 pm Subject: Re: The Beam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: SRiser3600 It was Billy Mumy that played the kid (Will Robinson) on Lost in space From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Playing Devil's Advocate: Not All Kitaro is Sappy Drivel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:47:12 -0800 >Subject: Re: Kitaro Concerts: Seeing vs. Hearing >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: DJS > >I've never seen Kitaro but I'd actually like to watch him in 'action'. >I only own his Milennia release [. . .] Figures: it's the soundtrack from a (Matsumoto) anime. ;) Tell me, Dano--do you have a copy of the original Japanese album, with the anime art from the film on the cover? (It's *really* nice-looking; I saw it in a store when it came out.) >[. . .] but I can't imagine anyone needing more than one of his >releases. [. . .] Errr... I used to think the same about Kitaro, myself, having heard five of his albums and having really liked only *two tracks* among them, but then a friend told me that not all Kitaro was sappy drivel--like SILK ROAD, an album that this guy *likes* (why people like this record is beyond my understanding; Deuter is never as feeble, threadbare, sappy, and listless as this!)--and lent me four cassettes. He was right. There are actually Kitaro tracks that are kickass and similar to Tangerine Dream and Jean-Michel Jarre (*good* Jarre, that is)--it's just that they are few and far between. I have yet to hear a Kitaro album that is any more than 50% kickass. Most of his stuff is marred by that sappy flute- like synth backed by tinkly sounds and a muted synth-horn section backdrop. Yick. (Reminds me of sugar or saccharine.) There is a lot of decent upbeat stuff on his recent live album--from 1996, I think. >[. . .] Like old pink years TD...who needs more than one release? If >you have Atem...you have all you need from the first 5 releases. Need I remind you that there are some people out there who think that ELECTRONIC MEDITATION is TD's *only* good album? (Granted, this feeling is evinced by folks who tend to be into industrial and hardcore and bands like Can, Neu, the Swans, and Einsturzende Neubaten--but they feel that way nonetheless.) -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 7:05 pm Subject: Re: Eurock again! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > Really-From: DJS > > > > > In all the years I have been buying from Archie I have never been > > > mis-shipped or had an order go unfilled, or had any other problems... > > > > > > I mean, you can't stay in business all these years unless you are doing > > > something right... > > > > Heh, where did you learn that? > > The flipside: you *can,* but often you'll barely break even, or garner > little profit, if at all. In E-Music, a mail-order supply can be the Kiss > of Death if you try to make it your sole source of income. Even cans of > beans are inexpensive, but when the dough gets low...Archie did quite well, > I believe, retailing the Schulze box sets. > > E-Man Quite true. If you diversify & carry Prog & Emusic you could actually make a living from it. The great expense comes from items on hand. If you can't keep it on your shelves & people have to wait for it for months...chances are they will go get stuff elsewhere...though these days there isn't too many more places you can go. Archie survives because he's smart and invests his profits to put out his own releases..that's the key to succeeding. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 5:09 pm Subject: Re: monolight ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' >Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > >RE: Where does Monolight appear: > >Encore (live) >TD 70-80 Box (shortened single version) >Tangents Box Set (redone studio version) > >MJ > Maybe he doesn't mean 'the words : monolight', I've seen them elsewhere, but maybe he would mean 'the music of monolight', I've heard it before in a studio album. Remember the last part, it is a piano part that sounds like the ending of 'Invisible limits' in the 'stratosfear' album. hope that serves Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 7:12 pm Subject: Re: B5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Vincent Goudreault > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > ------ > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > (...) > > > > Oh brother. Can you say 'Jim and Pablo'? :( ;) There are already > > 12 B5 CDs. Aren't those enough? ;) > > > (...) > > > > -- Steven Feldman > > 12??? WHen were the last 5 released? Dan, are you letting me down ?? > ;-) > > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > online since early 93, TD fan since 77 > first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet There are 8 B5 CD's available. I think steve was being sarcastic. They are: Vol 1 Vol 2 5-episode discs 1 enhanced CD in the PC game (contains 2 unreleased tracks) That's all folks....the next 5 are being produced as we speak. Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12087 Re: B5 Kees Tue 3/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 2:59 am Subject: unsubscribe tadream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: NEMO1876@P... unsubscribe tadream-digest From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Absurd to Complain in a Public Forum? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:53:08 -0500 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: Re: The EUROCK/Feldman Debacle >Really-From: Rich Maggio > >OK, I feel the need to speak up here. The last I heard, these mailing >lists are a PUBLIC forum. How did you not know that Archie wasn't a >subscriber to this mailing list, or that someone he knows is on it? I assumed he was not subscribed to the list because I have been subscribed to this list for seven years and have never heard a peep out of him here. As for 'somebody he knows' being on it, Ash is the only one--unless you count his various customers as being people he knows. >I think it is absurd to complain that your comments were forwarded to >Archie. [. . .] By *that* token, I guess it would be 'absurd to complain' if I forwarded some of the talk that goes on here re bootlegging to say, the administrator of the TDI website, the FBI, Virgin, Miramar, Sequel, etc. ad nauseum. Not! See my point? Ever hear of the information overload? Knowledge is relative. No one has the time and desire to know everything about everything. I mean, how many of us actually read each and every posting to this list, even? So-called exposes of government duplicity, conspiracy, and various wrongdoing are posted to web sites on a daily basis. Every now and then, there is actually truth to them, but considering the erroneous nature of 90% of what is usually posted to such sites, it is all too easy to lose the kernels of truth amid the oceans of witless blather. Do you think the FBI, the CIA, NSA, or whomever gives a rat's ass if someone somewhere accidentally stumbles on the truth now and then? No. In the context that it is given, 'the people who count' won't ever find out. So, there is a case of no one getting in trouble because no one of consequence hears of the scuttlebutt, no one of consequence believes it, no one of consequence runs with it (i.e. prints it or broadcasts it), and no one of consequence acts on it in any way that rocks the boat significantly. >[. . .] If you have a perfectly valid point (which I am sure you do) >and stand by it, so what if he found out about it?!? Who says it's valid? Who says I stand by it? I was pissed off. I was venting. Call it a crime of passion. ;) I didn't want him to find out about it because I knew full well that I would require his services as a merchant of otherwise unobtaintable import items sometime or other sooner or later. >I had a bad experience with an online CD company and I sent a >message to this list detailing my experience. I didn't care if >they found out - I copied them on the message!!! [. . . ] Well, good for you. Sometimes, it is prudent to do so, and sometimes it is not. >[. . .] And even if I didn't copy them on it, I would have assumed that >they would have received a copy since I was making my statement in a >public forum. You assumed wrong. The subway station is a public forum. Lots of things are said there. How much of it do *you* listen to? (I live in Boston, where there is a very lively and much-used subway system.) And there are some 50 channels on any given cable system. How often do you watch the Home Shopping Network or the Travel Channel? If something relevant to your existence was said there, would you assume that you would hear (of it) because it was a 'public forum'? >If 'retribution' is a concern, then the comments should not have been >made in a public forum. Period. Bull's pizzle. >Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:09:02 -0600 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: Re: The EUROCK/Feldman Debacle >Really-From: David Datta > [. . .] >Well, I think you are completely wrong here. What makes you think that >Archie is not on the list [. . .] Call it a safe guess. >[. . .] or doesn't regularly get postings that relate to him via list >archives? [. . .] Now, *that* I didn't think of. Still, I consider it unlikely--even *now*. >[. . .] If he was on the list, would you have posted the complaint? No. >[. . .]Did you bother to check if he is here? All messages >posted to the mailing list here are archived via several archiving >engines that are publically searchable. When Aleister Crowley divulged some of the high secrets of his mackigal lodge in some of his published writings, the highmost members of said lodges balked. Crowley's response was, 'Why bother to hide them? Those who aren't advanced enough to understand, won't.' By the same token, who would bother to scan a mailing list for something so petty? I'm quite sure Archie has better things to do. No offence, Dave, but I don't think Archie likes TD enough, gives a rat's rump about this little flamewar enough, or has time enough to waste wading through website after website to zero in on the handful of postings that might tell him anything he really wants to know. >Once you post to this list, your mail is PUBLIC, it can be copied to >ANYONE by ANYONE. [. . .] That's all well and good in theory, but in real life . . . gimmee a break. Big Brother might be just over the horizon, but he's not here right now, breathing down my neck, waiting for me to incriminate myself so I can be carted off to Siberia. This is America--land of the blase, where nothing shocks anybody anymore, where 15 year olds pierce their eyebrows and tongues, where college students pierce their naughty bits. >[. . .] There is no implied privacy on this list. If you don't want >someone to see what you have to say, think before you post it and don't >post it here if you want it kept from someone. I didn't think (yeah, quote *that* one out of context) anyone would do what Ash did. True, it is always possible that someone would do so, but it seemed highly unlikely. I was wrong. I have to be sooner or later. ;) >It doesn't matter if you have good or bad things to say about >something, when you say it here, it will be archived, it will be sent >to people you know and people you don't know. You cannot complain about >lack of privacy when posting to a public forum. Maybe, but I can complain about it if and when someone makes it their duty to make things hard for a subscriber to the list (rather than the rest of the world 'out there' who don't otherwise have anything to do with anything here) in service of some party outside the list rather than within it. To put this theory of special interest groups being 'public forums' in perspective, would anyone hold it against me if I posted commentary re bootlegging from say, the TD list, the Jean-Michel Jarre list, the Kraftwerk List, the Vangelis list, and the Mike Oldfield list to the artists' respective record labels? My guess is that it wouldn't do too much harm since these bands are small potatoes and don't sell that many copies of anything to begin with. But what if I forwarded bootleg- related specifica to the record labels of such pop acts as REM, U2, Whitney Houston, Madonna, or suchlike? Would anyone on mailing lists devoted to those artists dole out platitudes about the nature of public forums and the freedom of information in defence of my having forwarded what I forwarded? Get off your high horse and get real; political correctness is only that: political. -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, 1960. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12064 Re: Absurd to Complain in a Public Forum? DAVENTURA Mon 3/16/1998 3 KB 12083 Re: Absurd to Complain in a Public Forum? David Datta Tue 3/17/1998 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: There Are Only 8 B5 CDs, So Far ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:12:05 -0800 >Subject: Re: B5 >To: tadream mailing list >Really-From: DJS > >There are 8 B5 CD's available. I think steve was being sarcastic. They >are: > >Vol 1 >Vol 2 >5-episode discs >1 enhanced CD in the PC game (contains 2 unreleased tracks) I made a mistake. (See the following re-post.) With all those '5's, I mistakenly thought that the set of 5 episode CDs was being followed-up by another set of 5. Now, according, to Dan, there 'will' be another set of 5--but from SuperCollector, not from Sonic Images. Sorry about that. -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Subject: Limited Release Babylon 5 CD From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:44:10 -0500 Really-From: Jim Moore He's done it again: Included in the new Babylon 5 Encyclopedia CD-ROM, there is an enhanced CD entitled 'The Best of Babylon 5' by Chris Franke... Supposedly, it is a limited edition kind of thing... - jim 'Moving out... from the City of Love... to the Valley of Reason...' -- Dream Academy: 'The Lession of Love' 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www2.vivid.net/~jimbo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12077 Re: There Are Only 8 B5 CDs, So Far DJS Tue 3/17/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 6:08 pm Subject: Re: My email address is changing! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' >While listening to Fort Worth Runway One on headphones the other day I >noticed a 'click' at 1.49/1.50 into the track that sounds like it >shouldn't be there! Anyone else notice this? > >Regards, > >Conrad Gibbons > > I noticed the same thing ; moreover, it is a digibox and not a crystal box. Fred np : 'Cosmic Energy' (from 'Oasis' by Kitaro) : it is the only track I really like from Kitaro. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 10:31 pm Subject: Re: Absurd to Complain in a Public Forum? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA I'd like to put in my two cents on this topic, but why bother...I know it's only Monday, but I have to get ready for the show on Wednesday...Projeckt 2.. A King Crimson Projeckt with Robert Fripp, Adrain Belew and Trey Gunn, at what is now called The Majestic Ventura Theatre...Wish you all could come...David I just love when Steve gets off on a rant. n.p. Thomas Dolby...The Golden Age of Wireless (did you know that Dolby's main controller used to be TD's light controller?) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 10:33 pm Subject: #tadream MIRC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Hi guys, Anyone got any info on how to find the tadream site. I loaded MIRC and see all the channels, but most of them are crap sex chat garbage, where do I find the tad site? Chris NP-Danzig 'Black Aria' best ST that never existed , should have used this in Prophecy 2 instead of the ten second cameo he gave us. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12066 Re: #tadream MIRC DAVENTURA Mon 3/16/1998 2 KB 12067 Re: #tadream MIRC Gabe Yedid Mon 3/16/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 10:56 pm Subject: Re: #tadream MIRC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA In the mIRC channels folder type #tadream then click on add...hope that helps....David From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 11:26 pm Subject: Re: #tadream MIRC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: KRAUSENECKS > > > Hi guys, > Anyone got any info on how to find the tadream site. I loaded MIRC and see all the channels, but most of them are crap sex chat garbage, where do I find the tad site? Connect to any EFNet server and just 'join #tadream'! Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hey Guys 'n' Gal(?--only one?), Since folks here think that this mailing list is a public forum and that forwarding things from one place to another is not a problem, here's a little bit of off-topic information. By the way, when is an off-topic thread not an off-topic thread . . . but a spam? ;) If *this* stuff doesn't make your jaw drop, nothing will. And here you thought I was a tad off the _beam_ (zounds! that's a presently ongoing thread) with THE KEEP (well, that one is *sorta* on topic) and RISKY BUSINESS? ;) I don't just have *Tangerine Dream* on the brain, you know. -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + -------------------------forwarded message------------------------------------ Subject: CNI News Vol. 4, No. 1, Part 2 and Vol. 4, No. 2, Part 2 CNI News is a twice-monthly electronic newsletter addressing UFO phenomena, claims of human-alien contact, space exploration and related issues, including the cultural and political impacts of contact with other intelligent life. CNI News is edited by Michael Lindemann and distributed by the 2020 Group. CNI News is a subscription newsletter. First-time recipients may receive two free issues before subscribing. For more information on how to subscribe, please see the notice at the end of this issue. Questions and comments may be addressed to: Editor, CNINews1@a... The subject matter of CNI News is inherently controversial, and the views and opinions reported herein are not necessarily those of the editorial staff. ==+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++== CNI News -- Vol. 4, No. 1, Part 2 -- March 1, 1998 Global News on Contact with Non-human Intelligence ==+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++== FACES OF THE VISITOR -- A CNI NEW SPECIAL REPORT Part One of Two: The Beginning of the End? By Michael Lindemann The modern era of UFO encounters, dating roughly from the end of World War II, contained from its inception an implicit argument over the character and motives of 'the visitors.' The earliest military studies of UFOs, undertaken in secret, were driven in part by a genuine fear of hostile invasion from space. That fear exploded into popular culture in the early fifties, epitomized by such films as 'War of the Worlds' and 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers.' At the same time, while the first generation of serious civilian ufologists fixated on distant objects in the sky, an odd assortment of so-called contactees began attracting hordes of followers, some merely curious but many entranced and adoring, to hear their stories of benevolent, godlike beings from other worlds. The gross dichotomy between hostile invaders and benevolent space brothers might have been expected to fade as decades of research advanced our understanding of UFO phenomena. But exactly the opposite has happened instead. Today, the argument over the character and motives of the visitors is more starkly drawn than ever. It must of course be acknowledged that another, more fundamental argument overlays the first -- that is, the argument concerning whether or not UFO phenomena and alleged 'alien visitation' represent anything otherworldly at all. But for purposes of this special report, that argument will be set aside. Here we will assume that 'the visitors' are real, in order to examine the deeply divided opinions about who 'they' are and what they may be doing on our planet. Among the current generation of serious researchers, Temple University history professor David M. Jacobs, Ph.D., stands out both as a scholar of the phenomena and as a proponent of the darkest scenario of alien invasion. Jacobs' concept of the invasion bears no resemblance to the popular six-gun mythology of 'Independence Day,' where grotesquely tentacled aliens stand in for Saddam Hussein and heroic American flyboys kick them back to the stone age. The 'real' invasion -- and for Jacobs it is absolutely real -- is more terrifying than that, because it is utterly surreptitious yet unstoppable. We are doomed as a species, Jacobs believes, and we didn't even see it coming. 'The aliens have fooled us,' he writes in his disturbing new book, 'The Threat: What the Aliens Really Want, and How They Plan to Get It' (Simon & Schuster, 1998). 'They lulled us into an attitude of disbelief, and hence complacency, at the very beginning of our awareness of their presence. Thus, we were unable to understand the dimensions of the threat they pose and act to intervene. Now it may be too late. My own complacency is gone, replaced by a sense of profound apprehension and even dread.... Now I fear for the future of my own children.' Jacobs is hardly alone in his forebodings. Budd Hopkins, arguably the most influential abduction researcher on earth, shares Jacobs' view that alien intruders are quietly engineering a huge population of hybrid beings, mixing human and alien genetic material toward the end goal of supplanting present-day humanity with an 'improved' race answerable to the aliens' designs for planet earth. As Jacobs sees it, 'It is now possible to discern at least four specific programs that the aliens have put into effect to achieve their goal: '1) The Abduction Program: The aliens initially selected human victims around the world and instituted procedures to take these humans and their progeny from their environments without detection. '2) The Breeding Program: The aliens collect human sperm and eggs, genetically alter the fertilized embryo, incubate fetuses in human hosts, and make humans mentally and physically interact with the offspring for proper hybrid development. '3) The Hybridization Program: The aliens refine the hybrids by continual alteration and breeding with humans over the generations to become more human while retaining crucial alien characteristics. Perhaps humans are also altered over time and acquire alien characteristics. '4) The Integration Program: The aliens prepare the abductees for future events. Eventually, the hybrids or the aliens themselves integrate into human society and assume control.' Jacobs believes we are well into the end-game in this grand and malevolent strategy. While unsure of the exact timing of the takeover, he reports: 'Many abductees feel that 'something is going to happen' soon and that the aliens have their goal within sight.... The indications are that this could mean from within the next five years to within the next two generations.' And lest one harbor any hope for fair treatment under the new regime, Jacobs spells out the likely fate of the majority non-abductee population of earthlings. Among abductees he has personally worked with, Jacobs says, some are told 'that nonabductees will be kept as a small breeding population in case the hybridization program has unforeseen problems. [Others are] led to believe that nonabductees are expendable. The evidence seems to suggest that the future will be played out primarily with aliens, hybrids and abductees. The nonabductees will have an inferior role, if any at all. The new order will be insectlike aliens in control, followed by other aliens, hybrids, abductees, and finally, nonabductees.' By 'insectlike aliens,' Jacobs refers to tall greys with mantis-like features, as have been often described in abduction literature. In 'The Threat,' Jacobs refers to other types of aliens as well, including smaller greys, grey-type beings with differing skin tones, 'Nordics' and 'reptilians.' He suspects that the often-reported Nordic or distinctly human-looking aliens are actually hybrids created by the tall greys. He admits some uncertainty regarding reptilians and other exotic, less-frequently reported types. But he leaves no doubt that the insectlike tall greys are in charge of the changes underway on earth. Though Jacobs' research is meticulous and passionately reported, his conclusions are disputed by many other voices in the UFO community. Jim Marrs, author of 'Alien Agenda,' concedes that human evolution may have been manipulated by aliens more than once, but he doesn't believe in a malevolent invasion. 'I take a more positive attitude,' he told CNI News in a recent interview. 'If there were alien races out there who wanted to come and somehow enslave this world, particularly in an overt fashion, I think they would have done it long before now. The historical record shows that this alien presence has been here since before the recorded history of mankind. Surely they wouldn't have waited until we've got the capability of going off planet, laser weaponry and so forth. I don't see any reason to get overly fearful at this point.' Special effects artist Steve Neill, a life-long abductee whose graphic depictions of grey aliens and abduction scenarios have been featured in numerous television shows, says he can understand Jacobs' point of view but thinks something more gradual and positive may be taking place. Speaking with CNI News, Neill admitted that he's experienced big 'mood swings' about his encounters, from deep fear and anger on one hand to a kind of giddy euphoria on the other. Now, he says, he's found a middle position that he's happy with. In his view, the visitors are certainly manipulating the human race -- but they are simply part of the grand pattern of nature. 'The swings I've been through kind of encapsulate what this is all about -- going from one extreme to the next, and then arriving at the middle,' he says. 'That's something that everything in the universe tries to do, reach a balance no matter what. In the end, I don't really view this as good or bad. I view it as part of what I'm part of, this amazing mechanism of the universe that makes nature function as it does. Every creature is caught up in some aspect of it, no matter where you go.' Asked about Jacobs' view that aliens might be engineering the end of humanity as we know it, Neill suggested that our current situation may be comparable to an earlier period of human genetic advancement. 'In a way, Jacobs is right,' Neill said. 'Consider that Neanderthals no longer exist. That was an extinction. But I'm not in the position to decide if it's something that should be viewed as evil -- one species developing or being engineered into another. I think Cro Magnon was an improvement on the Neanderthal. And I'm starting to believe that what we're looking for as 'hybrid' human beings has already existed for a very long time. There are numbers of hybrids in our society today, in fact more than we can possibly imagine. The people who are having these experiences themselves, I feel, may be sorts of hybrids who have been genetically engineered and altered, going back generation after generation in their families. I am starting to see children in this world who are so incredibly brilliant, and have this light on like no other children I've seen. I've met some of these kids. If it's what I think it is, it's brilliant, because it will be slipped in so smoothly, and these kids are so powerful, that they are bound to change the world.' Not everyone, of course, can be sanguine about a situation in which everything we now regard as human is being gradually manipulated into something else -- even if that something else is 'better' on some cosmic scale of value. Other researchers and experiencers hold views greatly different from Jacobs, Hopkins and even Neill. For these people -- Jacobs refers to them as 'Positives' -- visitors to earth are unambiguously benevolent and have our physical well-being and spiritual advancement foremost in mind. Notable among this group are CSETI's Dr. Steven Greer, leading proponent of human-initiated close encounters or CE-5s; psychologist Richard Boylan, author of 'Close Extraterrestrial Encounters: Positive Experiences with Mysterious Visitors'; and Lyssa Royal, author of 'Visitors From Within' and 'Preparing for Contact,' whose writings are primarily the product of channeling. Such articulators of the 'Positive' outlook generally agree that extraterrestrial intelligence is widespread, diverse, highly organized (in the sense of a Galactic Federation or similar cosmic government) and benevolently active on the earth for the express purpose of assisting humanity through a time of turmoil and transformation. For the most part, though not unanimously, they argue that the fearful and negative views of abduction put forward by David Jacobs and his allies are products of human misunderstanding, not alien misbehavior. Even the term 'abduction' is generally dismissed by them as wholly unfair and misleading. Less well known than Greer or Boylan, but equally representative of this 'Positive' position, is Nancy Malacaria, a New England resident who, with her husband Jack, claims to have had numerous communications with ET representatives of a highly organized, earth-based enterprise known simply as The Project. Nancy and Jack are the parents of five children, run a successful rug-cleaning business out of their home, and by all outward appearances are normal, solid citizens of Norwood, Massachusetts. But on May 12, 1990, their lives suddenly changed when Jack had an unexpected experience in the garage of their home. It was the middle of his work day, and he was busy washing a rug. As Nancy described it in a recent interview with CNI News: 'He kept seeing a bright flash of light. It looked like a mirror reflection of the sun flashing in through the window. He kept looking up, thinking that somebody was stepping up to the door. Then there was another bright flash of light, and this time it stayed lit up. There was a doorway of light, standing up like a hologram in the middle of the floor -- like you're in a dark room, and you have a closet light on and you open the closet door and all you can see is the light, not the frame. It opened, and there was a figure standing in the doorway, a silhouette. It looked sort of like a man. Of course, my husband was very afraid. It was between him and the only way out of the garage. In his mind he heard a man's voice saying to him, 'This image is scaring you, so I'm going to make it disappear, but I'm still going to talk to you.' Then the doorway closed up again, just the way it opened. 'As soon as it shut, my husband left the garage. He was very afraid. It was the only logical thing to do. So he came into the house -- I wasn't home -- and he thought about what happened. His mind was reeling. In about 20 minutes, he went back outside again, because he had left all his equipment on and he had to finish his work. He peeked in the garage. Everything looked normal. He realized that all the equipment was still on. He didn't know what to think -- he wasn't calm enough to think about it. You know, when you're very upset, you don't think, you just sort of absorb. So he finished working. 'And while he was working, this voice kept talking to him. It was telepathy. The voice told him, basically, that there are 30 other worlds visiting earth that are concerned for the ecological state of our planet, and that they were not going to let man destroy our planet. This was the very first message. It really is not the whole purpose of their being here, but that was a very straightforward introduction.' From that unlikely beginning, Nancy told CNI News, she and her husband found themselves engaged in a 'furious' series of telepathic, and sometimes physical, contacts with a wide assortment of beings. 'There were about 100 point blank encounters in the first 18 months, and then about 100 more in the next two years,' Nancy says. 'We've met many different people... aliens of different races. We've learned a lot about their abilities. We learned why aliens visit us, why they don't let people see them, how it is that people assume they're abducted.' In time, Nancy says, she and her husband were told of no less than 170 different alien groups currently represented on earth. Most of these groups, though not all, are formally associated with a highly organized, earth-based enterprise known as The Project. 'There's one Project for earth. There are other projects, but they're for other worlds,' Nancy says. 'The Project is the organization of all the visiting life for that planet. That occurs when the beings on that planet reach a point in their evolution where they can start to understand other life.' Among the many alien groups that Nancy claims to have met are several that answer to the description and behavior of the so-called greys. She offers a novel variation on the widely-held idea that the greys are principally responsible for human abductions, and that they behave as if indifferent to human rights. 'The greys are working with genetics, and they are creating races. Their methods are not as advanced as some of the other aliens that visit us. Not all of our visiting life is working with genetics, but two particular [grey] races that I know about are. As their technology improves, so will their methods. In the meantime, their methods prevent them from being able to join the Project. But some of the Project beings are working with them to help them improve communications and improve their methods, and they will eventually join the Project.' Needless to say, one might wonder how Nancy Malacaria can speak so matter-of-factly about such outlandish things and expect to be taken seriously. Yet, Steve Neill speaks with similar self-assurance about aliens he has met; and although David Jacobs inserts an occasional self-deprecating admission that his ideas sound absurd, he is just as committed to his dark views as Nancy is to her own. For purposes of this special report, CNI News neither endorses nor rejects any such claims, but simply points out that they all exist as parts of a rich and fractious cultural conversation regarding alien visitation and what it might portend for the human future. Nancy Malacaria -- much like Steven Greer, Richard Boylan and Lyssa Royal, among others -- believes that 'the biggest reason there is so much human negativity about our visiting life is human nature. It's the way we think and assume. Where there's very little understanding, we automatically assume the worst. 'There's really no sensitive way to say this, but [ufology] attracts people who really don't understand what they're saying, and don't understand the reputation they're giving our visiting life,' she declares. 'That's one of the biggest reasons why the aliens don't let people see them, because everybody would just believe everything they've ever heard, and none of it is accurate.' If Nancy Malacaria can be believed, 'The Project' is intended to assist humankind through its present time of planetary turmoil and bring earth to a point of readiness to join a wider galactic community. It is a view widely shared by the 'Positives,' and diametrically opposed to the apocalyptic visions of David Jacobs, Budd Hopkins and their sympathizers. 'As much as I want to be optimistic, I find little to fuel hope for the future,' writes David Jacobs. 'In a way, I wish I could be like the Positives, existing in a naive but happy dreamland, awaiting the coming of the Benevolent Ones who will engulf us all in love and protection... [but] I must go where the evidence leads me. I have come to view the alien abduction phenomenon and its purpose as an asteroid hurtling toward the Earth -- discovered too late for intervention. We can track its progress and yet be utterly incapable of preventing the collision.' If alien visitors are really here, do they portend the beginning of the end, or the beginning of something much grander than humans have ever known before? Or are both these views too extreme, too dogmatic and too implausible? What about the great in-between, reported by many experiencers, where diverse visitors display behavior and motives spanning the entire moral spectrum? And what about the possibility that the visitors -- some of them, at least -- are not extraterrestrials at all, but something even stranger? This special report continues in the next edition of CNI News. Readers can visit Steve Neill's Dreamland FX web site at http://www.anw.com/dreamlandfx, and Nancy Malacaria's web site at http://members.aol.com/earthsistr/2.index.html. ==+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++== CNI News -- Vol. 4, No. 2, Part 2 -- March 16, 1998 Global News on Contact with Non-human Intelligence ===++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++===+++== FACES OF THE VISITOR -- A CNI NEWS SPECIAL REPORT Part Two of Two: Stranger Than Fiction By Michael Lindemann [This is the concluding part of a two part series begun in the March 1, 1998 issue of CNI News. Thanks to hypnotherapist Deborah Lindemann for conducting and transcribing the interview with Katharina Wilson quoted below, and for assistance with the Steve Neill interview quoted in part one of this report. Thanks also to Leslie at PEER for her assistance.] Newsman Phillip H. Krapf worked for 25 years as a copy editor for the Los Angeles Times metro division, sharing in a Pulitzer Prize the Times won for its coverage of the 1992 Los Angeles riots. Krapf took early retirement in 1993 and was enjoying an eminently ordinary life in Ventura, California until the evening of June 10, 1997. That night, he says, he got abducted by aliens. Krapf tells his remarkable story in a new book from Hay House called 'The Contact Has Begun.' In the book, Krapf says he was teleported right out of his bedroom by a blue beam and taken aboard a huge mothership that orbits in the vicinity of the moon. The ship is piloted by beings he calls Verdants. They originate on a planet in another galaxy. Their spacecraft are so advanced that they can travel anywhere in the universe. They are by no means the only extraterrestrials out there -- there are thousands of other intelligent races, they told Krapf -- but the Verdants are currently the most numerous. Krapf says he remained conscious throughout three full days on board the Verdant ship, except for normal periods of sleep. In this respect, he says, he was treated very differently from scores of other humans he saw the very moment he arrived. These people were laid out on row upon row of tables in a huge gymnasium-sized room, all unconscious and attended to by one or more Verdants. Krapf says he was told that the Verdants had been engaged for many years in the process that humans call abduction. These people on the tables -- ordinary abductees -- were being inspected medically. None of them were ever harmed. Most of them would remember nothing. Moreover, Krapf was told, the time for this kind of abduction is at an end. Very soon, it will stop completely. Abduction was never about procreation or the making of hybrids, the Verdants told Krapf. It was simply about studying the human species in every possible way. Now the Verdants know everything there is to know about humans -- vastly more than humans know -- so there's no more need for study. Instead, it is now time to prepare the human race for admission into the Intergalactic Federation of Sovereign Planets. Krapf was abducted, wide awake, because the Verdants wanted to give him a detailed briefing and a modest assignment in the overall program of preparation. His book, 'The Contact Has Begun,' is the fulfillment of his assignment, he says. According to Krapf, the Verdants don't have huge black eyes like the better- known 'Grays' usually associated with abduction. Also unlike the Grays, the Verdants talk out loud (Grays are said to employ telepathy); they eat and enjoy food in human fashion (Grays are usually said to lack a human-type digestive system); and they engage in sex for pleasure and bear children like humans (Grays seem indifferent to pleasure and may have lost the ability to procreate). In an interview with CNI News on March 3, Krapf insisted that his story is completely true to the best of his understanding. No one, he says, could be more surprised than himself. He professes no prior knowledge of, nor interest in, the abduction phenomenon. He says he had been indifferent to UFO stories his whole life and had happily bought the party line at the Los Angeles Times that people who see UFOs are either nuts or lying. Moreover, he had always been a religious agnostic, tending toward atheism. Suddenly, in June 1997, all that changed. With no exposure to abduction claims other than what little he had seen on late night TV, Phillip Krapf neither knows nor cares how his story compares with tales told by other experiencers. He claims to have been so impressed by the qualities of the Verdants -- including patience, kindness, vast knowledge and spiritual wisdom, as well as superlative technical abilities -- that it never occurred to him to doubt the literal truth of everything he experienced and was told. Of all the things Krapf learned during his three day adventure, nothing could compare with the revelation that the human soul is eternal and God exists. Krapf the agnostic says that these assurances, given him by the Verdants, left him utterly dumbfounded. But he says he now believes them completely. To any person familiar with other renderings of the abduction/contact experience, one of the most peculiar features of Phillip Krapf's account is its absolute physicality. Everything about the Verdants, their ship and their mission seems material and three-dimensional. So physical is their universe of experience that even heaven is described as a physical location. They have been there, the Verdants tell Krapf. Why, you can plot it on a chart. Temple University historian David Jacobs, in his recent book 'The Threat,' paints a picture of contact with aliens that is horrifyingly bleak compared with Krapf's cheerful tale. But Jacobs' aliens are also described as physical creatures. They are apparently bonafide extraterrestrials from other planets in our galaxy, he says. His reports from over 100 abduction subjects include a wide assortment of strange details, but these can be attributed, he says, either to very advanced technology (indistinguishable from magic, in Arthur C. Clarke's terms) or to manipulation of the abductee's mind. Jacobs' aliens do practice telepathy, though. And they do walk through walls. They are considerably stranger, by human standards, than Krapf's Verdants. Jacques Vallee is the most influential UFO researcher to insist that the idea of merely physical ETs from other planets is patently absurd. He has suggested instead that UFOs and their occupants might be interdimensional entities. He also observed that UFOs seem to function in the role of a 'control system,' having a profound but always inscrutable and subliminal influence upon the development of human consciousness and culture throughout history. Despite this theoretical control function, however, Vallee regards claims of aliens in UFOs repeatedly abducting thousands or millions of people as simply hilarious. Needless to say, Vallee has been criticized for this heresy by leading abduction researchers, especially Budd Hopkins -- so much so, in fact, that Vallee finally withdrew from ufology altogether, after darkly warning that UFO research seems doomed to perpetual irrelevance by its inherent silliness and lack of intellectual rigor. Vallee did not, however, deny that abductions take place. He recognizes that they really do, although perhaps less often than popularly believed. It is the mechanism of abduction that other researchers have wrong, Vallee says. Real abduction is probably perpetrated by humans, not aliens. As described in Vallee's recent novel 'Fastwalker' (Frog Ltd, 1996), abduction may be part of some terrible and desperate political agenda, employing a grotesque caricature of real UFO contact to instill a useful brand of fear in average, dull-witted humans. Meanwhile, Vallee says, the real aliens are far stranger than we can possibly imagine -- not ETs at all, but interdimensional chimeras -- unknowable, out of reach, and essentially indifferent to petty human dramas on planet earth. UFO investigator Bob Pratt feels quite comfortable with Vallee's thesis, and Vallee rewarded Pratt's good judgment by writing a glowing foreword to Pratt's 1996 book, 'UFO Danger Zone: Terror and Death in Brazil' (Horus House Press). 'This is field research as it should be done,' Vallee said, 'and we can only deplore the fact that [Pratt's] work has not been repeated in other parts of the world.' But if Pratt's UFOs are interdimensional, as he says in the end, they certainly have a startling way of intruding into the physical plane on earth. For Pratt's book, as its title implies, is a positively numbing litany of horrors, meticulously researched by himself and a host of Brazilian colleagues over a period of some fifteen years. Pratt's subjects are mostly poor rural Brazilians -- fishermen, farmers, subsistance laborers. These are people who watch little or no TV; many cannot read. These people tell stories of intruders who rain down terror from the sky. Pratt tells of people being paralyzed and lifted off the ground by beams of light; of having their health instantly destroyed by a chance encounter in the woods or along a rural road; of being set ablaze and burned to death. There are dozens of cases, many with multiple witnesses. None have a happy ending, and none make any discernible sense. Why are these people brutally attacked, and by whom? There is no answer. But the terror and the broken bodies say there is truth in the accounts. Dr. Stephen Greer, founding director of CSETI, has theorized like Vallee that abduction cases, if they really occur, are perpetrated by humans intent on giving aliens a bad name. At the same time, Greer speaks of genuine extraterrestrials -- people from other planets -- who are coming here to make contact with right-minded humans. It's part of a grand process of global transformation, Greer says. Extraterrestrials stand ready to assist human society in rising to a higher spiritual level conducive to wider and more open contact with other intelligent races. In that belief, Greer is hardly alone. Phillip Krapf agrees completely. So, in effect, does Nancy Malacaria, who told CNI News in a recent interview that some 170 different extraterrestrial races are currently active on earth, variously involved in what she calls 'The Project,' all aimed at assisting humanity through the present time of turmoil and transformation. Nancy's extraterrestrials seem mostly physical, too. But, she says, 'my understanding is that they use dimensional technologies to travel with and to conceal themselves... We've been told that other dimensions have other values of time, and that's why they use them for travel. They also use [dimensional technologies] so that they can work here and not disturb us, unless they want us to see them.' Whether abduction is perceived as horrifying or not is a matter of human consciousness, Nancy insists. The beings who abduct humans -- she agrees that they answer to the description of the so-called Grays -- do not intend any harm. 'They're desperately trying to be understood,' she says. 'The grays that you're referring to are working with genetics, and they are creating races. Their methods are not as advanced as some of the other aliens that visit us. But they do work with the Project. Some of the Project beings are working with them to help them improve communications and improve their methods.' Raymond Fowler has chronicled the lifelong abduction history of Betty Andreasson-Luca and her family for nearly twenty years. When he first wrote about her case in 'The Andreasson Affair,' Fowler described a classic alien abduction scenario in terms that have since been repeated countless times by other researchers. But in the intervening years, Fowler's own views have evolved enormously, along with Betty's. In the fifth and final volume of his Andreasson study, 'The Andreasson Legacy' (Marlowe, 1997), Fowler emphasizes repeatedly that abduction is a 'paraphysical phenomenon.' Its UFO component is physical in that it leaves ground traces, shows up on film, disrupts electrical systems. Its contact component is physical in the sense that abductees are (sometimes) physically missing during an abduction event, and often come back with body scars such as scoop marks related to physical procedures. Fowler surmises that some abductees probably have physical alien implants. But abduction is simultaneously paranormal or metaphysical in the sense that it can occur as an out of body experience and often includes psychical elements such as telepathy, teleportation and time distortion. It is very definitely concerned with human reproduction and the creation of hybrid creatures; but it is just as definitely concerned with the human soul and the ultimately spiritual nature of humanity and reality. It is the furthest thing from absurd or disorderly. It is undeniably and definitely purposeful. And there is teaching involved, Fowler insists. Abductees are given urgent messages about the perilous state of our world and the changes ahead for humanity. David Jacobs has heard all this from his abduction subjects, too. He agrees that they are given powerful images and messages about the environmental crisis on earth, or the peril of nuclear war, or terrible changes to come. But Jacobs thinks the aliens don't really care about any of that. They are not interested in preserving the earth for humanity's sake. They're intent on taking over. Katharina Wilson, another lifelong abductee who has written eloquently of her own experiences in 'The Alien Jigsaw' (Puzzle Publishing, 1993), has heard it all too, first-hand. In a recent interview with hypnotherapist Deborah Lindemann, Katharina Wilson said that she, like Jacobs, thinks the aliens can induce powerful images in the human mind for purposes of deception or manipulation. 'My experiences and visions I'm shown with aliens, even the ones that appear very human-like, seem to involve a level of manipulation,' she says. 'The aliens are interested in how we react to the information in the vision, or they use the vision for distraction or screen memory purposes.' Wilson has had her share of alien sexual procedures and similar horrors. She doesn't trust their motives at all. But Wilson also makes an important distinction between alien abductors and other entities that she calls 'super-conscious beings.' These beings have shown her powerful images too, but the experience seemed different. 'I remembered everything consciously the next morning. It was so unbelievably intense,' she told Deborah Lindemann. 'What they were showing me was that thoughts are things, and that what you think and believe, you will create. They took me through my neighborhood and showed me, using visual imagery.' The beings seemed angelic, Wilson says. 'I saw them come down out of the sky on this golden rope, four of them, the most beautiful feminine little angels. They were just super intelligences. A piece of the golden rope touched me, and [it] was like I was sitting in the lap of God, just the most unbelievable positive experience... But they wanted to get on with what they had come to teach me and show me.' Though Wilson uses the term 'angel,' she's not sure if that's appropriate. 'I'm cautious about how I categorize these experiences, because I have a responsibility as a reporter of this phenomenon. If these SCBs (super conscious beings) really are just another form of aliens, I don't want to mislead people,' she says. Asked to further describe how the experience of SCBs differs from her other encounters, Wilson said, 'They don't experiment on me or treat me like a lab animal. I don't get the feeling they are manipulating me. I realize they show me visions of the future and I know the aliens do this too. But I just sense a caring and a deep love and concern that is totally different than my experiences with the aliens. I realize that the aliens can look into your eyes and make you feel a whole array of wonderful things. But these SCB's don't look into my eyes or force their will on me like the other beings do.' On one occasion, Wilson says, 'I was shown an important vision about a missile that the U.S. had launched into space.The launching of this missile would change the course of human history. I knew the implications.' Another visit by an SCB occurred the night her beloved 18-year-old cat died. 'My animals are very important to me. Over the past year, I had had to give him a lot of care and nurturing. The SCBs visited and said: 'It takes a lot of preparation to enter the white light.' To me they were talking about [my cat] crossing over.' Given the incredible diversity of reported human experiences with alleged visitors, is it possible to say who or what we are dealing with? Perhaps the closest we can get to the truth is an idea that confounds and infuriates literalists everywhere: the nature of the visitors is in the eye of the beholder. They are real, but their perceived character is dependent upon the quality of individual perception. Dr. John Mack, Harvard psychiatrist, is one researcher who has arrived at this conclusion. Perhaps for this reason, he is regarded with suspicion by those who insist upon a hard-edged, literal interpretation of the visitor experience. Mack responded to an inquiry from CNI News by sending a summary of his viewpoint, distilled from the scores of abduction cases he has personally investigated. Excerpts from that statement follow. Mack begins by agreeing with David Jacobs that 'the human/alien sexual and reproductive process, which the abductees with whom I work report in excruciating detail, appears to result in the creation of a hybrid race that will some day come 'down' to earth. For experiencers, this hybrid 'project' is altogether real and does not appear to me to be the product of delusion or other mental aberration.' That said, however, Mack points out problems with the 'literalist, entirely material, interpretation' of alien encounter. 'Most obvious is the absence of solid evidence of actual pregnancy, genetic changes or the physical existence of the hybrids themselves. But that is only the beginning,' he writes. 'Some abductees perceive this process as occurring in another realm or dimension with different space/time qualities and possessing what they often describe as a higher vibrational frequency. Sometimes they themselves notice that they are in a different state of consciousness, as if between sleeping and waking, and that the images and events around them seem 'fuzzy.' One experiencer, quite sophisticated in matters of energy and consciousness, interpreted an important sexual/ impregnation encounter in metaphoric, consciousness-evolving, even spiritual terms. 'The apparent problems for the hybrids of survival on earth, which abductees consistently perceive, may in themselves reflect the ontological 'otherness' of this whole 'project.' At the very least, the manifestation of such beings on the earth plane would require elements of a physics and biology that are now unknown to us. One may argue that it is a matter of research, of collecting more or better evidence to document the physical reality of all this, and that the main obstacle is that the aliens are so deceptive, subtle or furtive. But it may not be simply a matter of physical evidence. 'The fundamental difficulty may be more one of philosophy, consciousness and method. The matter may be more mysterious than we appreciate, requiring different ways of knowing or thinking about it. 'For instance, the hybrid project might be thought of as a reflection not so much of biological procreation or colonization [as] of an evolution of consciousness. But in order to consider this, we would need to put aside or overcome the radical split between mind or spirit and matter, or between the visible and invisible worlds, that have dominated both Judeo-Christian tradition and Western science. If we could allow the possibility of an interpenetration of consciousness and matter, or even that physical images or the physical world itself could be a manifestation of consciousness or spirit, then the apparent and sometimes real physicality of the alien-human sexual and reproductive process could be seen as the expression in concrete, physical form of what may be a cosmic energy or intelligence, responding to a problem -- in this case, the evident threat to earth's life forms that is the result of human blindness and destructiveness. 'This is not to say that the aliens or hybrids are not entirely real. Rather, I would argue that the process might be occurring largely in another realm, one with a different vibrational frequency, a kind of in-between domain -- not pure formless spirit or dense matter -- which, under certain circumstances, can penetrate our world, and be perceived with such vividness as to bring intense experiential conviction and even subtle physical manifestations for abductees... To some degree, then, the nature or quality of the hybrid project may reside in the eyes or co-creative consciousness of the beholders. 'If we think of the phenomenon this way, and not simply in terms of whether it is good or bad for the human species, we may see it as less threatening. We might then learn from it about our evolving relationship to the earth, to the unseen intelligence or intelligences of our cosmos, and, ultimately, about our own evolving psychological and spiritual existence and identity.' CNI News recognizes that, for some experiencers and researchers, the subtleties of Mack's view are beside the point, because it's already clear that the earth is being invaded by alien forces who can bring an end to human life. Yet, others insist that the visitors bring benevolent warnings, offers of spiritual counsel, even invitations to membership in a cosmic Federation. Meanwhile, for some, the visitor experience is as physical as driving in a car; while for others, the experience resides in a realm of dreams and shadows, speaking less to the body than to the soul, less to time than to eternity. Can 'an answer' be distilled from all these diverse and passionate impressions? Not yet, says John Mack. 'At the very least, we should admit that we do not ultimately know what [alien encounter] means or whence it comes, and that we are only beginning to penetrate its depths,' he writes -- and here at CNI News, we concur. With heartfelt thanks to all those who have contributed to our present understanding, we encourage our readers to continue the quest. [Dr. David Jacobs can be emailed at DJACOBS@V... Katharina Wilson's web site is http://www.alienjigsaw.com. Phillip Krapf's email is phoward@e... Nancy Malacaria's web site is http://members.aol.com/earthsistr/2.index.html. Dr. John Mack can be reached by emailing LeslPEER@a... Dr. Mack's next book on further research into the alien abduction phenomenon will be published by Crown Publishing in Spring 1999.] ==+++===+++===+++=== CLOSING NOTES ===+++===+++===+++== LIKE CNI News? If so, please tell others to request delivery of two free issues so they can find out how much they like it too. There's no obligation. Send all trial subscription requests to CNINews1@a... with the message 'Try News.' READY TO SUBSCRIBE? 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Hard copy (paper) reproduction and redistribution of CNI News, in whole or part, for educational purposes is permitted. # # # Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12069 Eurock/Feldman/etc Steve McCready Tue 3/17/1998 4 KB 12072 Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture Brian E. Kirby Tue 3/17/1998 3 KB 12073 Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture Gabe Yedid Tue 3/17/1998 2 KB 12074 Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture Elias Granillo, Jr. Tue 3/17/1998 3 KB 12075 Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture Elias Granillo, Jr. Tue 3/17/1998 3 KB 12078 Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture DJS Tue 3/17/1998 3 KB 12079 Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture Greg Heil Tue 3/17/1998 3 KB 12091 Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture Gabe Yedid Tue 3/17/1998 4 KB 12100 Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture Brian E. Kirby Tue 3/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 9:47 am Subject: Eurock/Feldman/etc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready) Like Rich Maggio, I don't say a whole lot here. I do find the great majority of what Rich says to be worth reading, though, so I'm delurking to second his views on this recent little tiff... (Quotes below are from Steven Feldman) >By *that* token, I guess it would be 'absurd to complain' if I >forwarded some of the talk that goes on here re bootlegging to say, the >administrator of the TDI website, the FBI, Virgin, Miramar, Sequel, etc. >ad nauseum. Not! See my point? I think it >would< be a bit absurd to complain. This isn't some secret cult group we've got going here. Anyone with e-mail and half a brain can 'listen in'. If you think that anything you say here is private, you're wrong. While it wouldn't exactly be admirable behavior to go telling someone 'oh, you know what I heard about you on this mailing list?', it's a mistake to assume it won't happen. Would you tell a room full of a couple hundred e-music fans what you thought about Eurock's service and then expect nobody to take that information any further? I'd say that's essentially what you've done. > I didn't want him to find out about it because I knew full well that >I would require his services as a merchant of otherwise unobtaintable >import items sometime or other sooner or later. Then you shouldn't have said it here. > Since folks here think that this mailing list is a public forum >and that forwarding things from one place to another is not a problem, >here's a little bit of off-topic information. Um, somehow I don't think that 'public forum' = 'general discussion forum'. Nice try. -Steve sbm@p... Sacramento, CA From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 3:04 am Subject: Re: The Beam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' > > The Beam is not a Theremin. ^^^^^^^^^^ Take 2 Theremin twice a day for your headache, haha...... > Wayyy back in the early '80's, there was a > rather exotic stringed device that (I think) Michael Sterns played quite a > bit. If memory serves, it was an 18-foot long aluminum (titanium? Naah, > would be way too expensive! 'Strategic material'.) beam with 'X' number of > metal wires, strung from end to end. It was played kinda like the way that > you would play a steel guitar. I don't remember this all that well, so I > could have a few of the details screwed up, corrections welcomed. CD's that > I remember having The Beam on them were by Kitaro, Michael Sterns and Craig > Huxley (he was the guy that played the kid on the original 'Lost In Space'; > the CD was a waste of polycarbonate, to put it nicely...) The Beam also made on appearance on Steve Roach's CD, EMPETUS. If memory serves correctly, in a late 80s visit to Steve Roach's then-California based studio, Elana has even struck a note or two off The Beam. It makes a killer sound, like *TRRRRRRRREREREREREOOOOUUUUUWWWWWRRRRRRRR* or something like that. E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 3:06 am Subject: Off-topic: Projekt 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: DAVENTURA > > > I'd like to put in my two cents on this topic, but why bother...I know it's > only Monday, but I have to get ready for the show on Wednesday...Projeckt 2.. Shit, and I *was* going to go to that, too. Too bad it's f**king finals week. E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 16, 1998 11:36 pm Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby' > CNI News is a twice-monthly electronic newsletter addressing UFO phenomena, > claims of human-alien contact, space exploration and related issues, including > the cultural and political impacts of contact with other intelligent life. CNI > News is edited by Michael Lindemann and distributed by the 2020 Group. (mucho on UFOs clipped) Uh, Steve? You're starting to scare me. -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 4:37 am Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Good God Steve, I can't believe you subscribe to this stuff. I think these folks have simply been watching too much X-Files. Gabe who believes in life elsewhere, but doesn't think we are ready to, (or worthy of) meet(ing) it yet. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 4:48 am Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > If *this* stuff doesn't make your jaw drop, nothing will. And > here you thought I was a tad off the _beam_ (zounds! that's a presently > ongoing thread) with THE KEEP (well, that one is *sorta* on topic) and > RISKY BUSINESS? ;) I don't just have *Tangerine Dream* on the brain, > you know. Shooooo-weeeee! Do I feel sorry for the *digest* people. I knew you were capable of Old Testament-length posts, but this time you've got the Bible complete with both Testaments and the {Catholic} Apocrypha. Sheesh, it takes 8.9 seconds to scroll through the post with the mouse button held down, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 4:54 am Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby' > > > CNI News is a twice-monthly electronic newsletter addressing UFO phenomena, > > claims of human-alien contact, space exploration and related issues, including > > the cultural and political impacts of contact with other intelligent life. CNI > > News is edited by Michael Lindemann and distributed by the 2020 Group. > > (mucho on UFOs clipped) > > Uh, Steve? You're starting to scare me. Do you think Steve believes in UFOs, Bri? Yeeehahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 4:59 am Subject: WAAAYYY Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > Good God Steve, I can't believe you subscribe to this stuff. > I think these folks have simply been watching too much X-Files. Scully's a babe. > Gabe > who believes in life elsewhere, but doesn't think we are ready to, (or > worthy of) meet(ing) it yet. Meeting it? No, actually, the CIA's top scientists are creating the new *race(s)* in underground labs, dude. Sorry, just got a mild case of Steveniasis. E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 6:06 am Subject: Re: There Are Only 8 B5 CDs, So Far ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:12:05 -0800 > >Subject: Re: B5 > >To: tadream mailing list > >Really-From: DJS > > > >There are 8 B5 CD's available. I think steve was being sarcastic. They > >are: > > > >Vol 1 > >Vol 2 > >5-episode discs > >1 enhanced CD in the PC game (contains 2 unreleased tracks) > > I made a mistake. (See the following re-post.) With all those '5's, > I mistakenly thought that the set of 5 episode CDs was being followed-up > by another set of 5. Now, according, to Dan, there 'will' be another > set of 5--but from SuperCollector, not from Sonic Images. Sorry about > that. > No no no, I never said SC was involved with the B5 discs. I only said Sonic Images announced that there would be more episode discs. We have nothing to do with the B5 releases. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 6:16 am Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > > If *this* stuff doesn't make your jaw drop, nothing will. And > > here you thought I was a tad off the _beam_ (zounds! that's a presently > > ongoing thread) with THE KEEP (well, that one is *sorta* on topic) and > > RISKY BUSINESS? ;) I don't just have *Tangerine Dream* on the brain, > > you know. Steve, have you ever seen One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest? I think you and Jack have something in common. ;-) Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 7:42 am Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: Steven Feldman David M. Jacobs, Ph.D., > 'The aliens have fooled us,' he writes in his disturbing new book, 'The > Threat: What the Aliens Really Want, and How They Plan to Get It' (Simon & > Schuster, 1998). Oh no.. we are all done in for! The aliens are taking all out cow manure away!! How will we survive? It just mysteriously slips away.. Serously, cool stuff Steven! I can't wait to see what NASA does with Cydonia on Mars, where the supposed face, and pyramid structure lie. I hope they photograph that area.. but that's like... ummm.. you finding a copy of The Keep LP :) Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12091 Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture Gabe Yedid Tue 3/17/1998 4 KB 12100 Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture Brian E. Kirby Tue 3/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 12:30 pm Subject: Streethawk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Hi all I have 2 questions to ask about the Streethawk video. Any help is greatly appreciated. 1) Has there been any laser disc issue of this TV series? 2) How many episodes have been released on videocassette so far? Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12092 Re: Streethawk PENFOLD Tue 3/17/1998 3 KB 12094 Re: Streethawk DJS Tue 3/17/1998 3 KB 18202 Streethawk Steve Jenkins Mon 10/4/1999 1 KB 18212 Re: Streethawk Michael A. Jean Tue 10/5/1999 1 KB 18213 Re: Streethawk upnsm0ke Tue 10/5/1999 1 KB 18214 Re: Streethawk Jim Moore Tue 10/5/1999 2 KB 18215 Re: Streethawk Michael A. Jean Tue 10/5/1999 1 KB 18219 Re: Streethawk yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx Tue 10/5/1999 1 KB 18220 Re: Streethawk Dale Tue 10/5/1999 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 12:58 pm Subject: An open message to Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: Steven Feldman Steven, If you really know the semantics you claim you do, I you certainly know the difference between the concepts of public forums and general forums. At least I THOUGHT you knew. To summarize: one means that anyone can participate and the other means the forum is for any topic. Maybe you subscribed so long ago you forgot the intro message: I would like to welcome you to the mailing list 'tadream'. It is a forum for discussions about Tangerine Dream and related artists. The discussions are not moderated, but I do ask that the discussions have some small relation to Tangerine Dream (solo works and instrumentation discussions are welcome). From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 2:08 pm Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) This is who we are! For the absolute fastest internet access on the planet, check out: www.interjetnet.net _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 1:28 pm Subject: Re: Absurd to Complain in a Public Forum? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: datta@c... (David Datta) } Really-From: Steven Feldman } I assumed he was not subscribed to the list because I have been } subscribed to this list for seven years and have never heard a peep out } of him here. As for 'somebody he knows' being on it, Ash is the only } one--unless you count his various customers as being people he knows. Sorry, I happen to know him too. I know many other people who have been subscribed to this list for as long as it existed who have never uttered a peep here. Some people you probably wouldn't want reading what you write. Some of them don't have computers and get stuff of interest printed out and sent to them. Don't equate silence on the list with ignorance of what goes on here. I have been surprised myself by who knows what is happening on this list. Lots of times, people off the list know more than I do about what's going on here. } >I think it is absurd to complain that your comments were forwarded to } >Archie. [. . .] } } By *that* token, I guess it would be 'absurd to complain' if I } forwarded some of the talk that goes on here re bootlegging to say, the } administrator of the TDI website, the FBI, Virgin, Miramar, Sequel, etc. } ad nauseum. Not! See my point? Ever hear of the information overload? Well, did it occur to you there the administrator of the website probably reads the list? Or someone from Miramar or other record label? It would be 'absurd to complain' if one of your above listed groups gets a mail forwarded to them. } >Really-From: David Datta } >[. . .] or doesn't regularly get postings that relate to him via list } >archives? [. . .] } } Now, *that* I didn't think of. Still, I consider it unlikely--even } *now*. Why? His kid is pretty computer saavy and runs his web page for him, he may do archive searches of e-music and prog-rock lists. } Those who aren't advanced enough to understand, won't.' By the same } token, who would bother to scan a mailing list for something so petty? If I owned a business, I would most likely to have someone do regular searches to see what people are saying about my business. Eurock is a pretty unique enough name that it wouldn't be hard to search list archive machines for the company. } No offence, Dave, but I } don't think Archie likes TD enough, gives a rat's rump about this little } flamewar enough, or has time enough to waste wading through website } after website to zero in on the handful of postings that might tell him } anything he really wants to know. No offence taken but this doesn't matter. The point I am making is that thing you say here are NOT PRIVATE COMMUNICATIONS. } copies of anything to begin with. But what if I forwarded bootleg- } related specifica to the record labels of such pop acts as REM, U2, } Whitney Houston, Madonna, or suchlike? Would anyone on mailing lists } devoted to those artists dole out platitudes about the nature of public } forums and the freedom of information in defence of my having forwarded } what I forwarded? Get off your high horse and get real; political } correctness is only that: political. Do you really believe that these companies don't have people looking for stuff for them? Let me put it this way, it wasn't music fans who made me shut down archive.uwp.edu, it was the record companies. I was told very clearly that they PAY people to filter all this crap for information they need to know. I am not saying that Archie does or doesn't stay aware of this list. I agree with you, he probably doesn't but that doesn't matter. I am not going to bother asking him. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 2:12 pm Subject: RE: Eurock & Progtron Addendum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Ranjit's out of business until September as he's too busy tying to > > make ends meet. > You'd think he'd want to sell _more_ CD's. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 2:26 pm Subject: RE: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >terrifying than that, because it is utterly surreptitious yet > unstoppable. We > >are doomed as a species, Jacobs believes, and we didn't even see it > coming. > > Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. Party at my place! > > Scott > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 2:31 pm Subject: RE: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Serously, cool stuff Steven! I can't wait to see what NASA does with >Cydonia >on Mars, where the supposed face, and pyramid structure lie. I hope they >photograph that area.. but that's like... ummm.. you finding a copy of >The Keep LP :) Pathfinder already explored it, and found an LP of the Keep. Unfortunately, it had to melt it down to analyze it's contents. So which TD album should be the first to be played on another planet? Hyperborea? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12102 TD on Another Planet? Dave Brewer Wed 3/18/1998 3 KB 12105 Re: TD on Another Planet? Rainer Rutka Wed 3/18/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 2:26 pm Subject: Re: B5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Kees At 11:12 16-03-98 -0800, you wrote: There are 8 B5 CD's available. I think steve was being sarcastic. They >are: > >Vol 1 >Vol 2 >5-episode discs >1 enhanced CD in the PC game (contains 2 unreleased tracks) > >That's all folks....the next 5 are being produced as we speak. > >Dano But the 5-episode discs come in 3 versions! You have the German pressing, that's 5. And you have the US pressing in 2 versions. The first pressing came without booklet so you could see the CD from the outside. The second pressing was with booklet. Both pressings have different numbers. The German pressing just has an extra logo. Kees From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 2:48 pm Subject: TD @ Music Blvd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Music Blvd just sent me a message saying that a bunch of their stuff is on sale, and they're right! As for TD, they have just about everything, including imports, much of it at $10, except imports are more. They also have Ed's Stuntman & Beyond the Storm, Franke's Enchanting Nature, Klemania, London Concert, Pacific Blue, Pacific Coast Highway, and Vol. 1-New Music For Films. They also have Schmoelling's Wuivend Riet. Scott E. Plumer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 2:59 pm Subject: Craig Huxley??? (fwd) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Subject: Craig Huxley??? Wasn't that kid's name Billy Mumy? Currently he acts in Babylon 5! MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 3:00 pm Subject: The Beam, Billy Mumy and Feldmans' Forum o' Fantastic Fanomina, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' Forgot about ol' Peyote-head playing The Beam on EMPETUS. It was also played on the soundtrack to CAT PEOPLE (called the Blaster Beam here) by Craig Huntley that later change his name to Huxley (in honor of Aldouis) who put out the CD that I slammed. The guy was a child actor on a '60's space horse-opera and I just picked 'LiS' as the most likely. Maybe this Huntley fellow guested on a Star Trek episode (I think that he even did a rendition of the 'Star Trek' theme on his CD, don't remember, see how much of an impression it left???) Steven, please think of us that are on digest mode before you post a huge OFF-TOPIC file to the list again (I think that this goes for everyone that decides to post huge input to the list, even if it is on-topic; there are those of us that have to scroll through page after page of it and just can't delete it. I damn near wore my scroll-wheel out with this last one! :-) ). Build a Web page and post the URL for the pertinent info for those that want to check it out. My wheel and my index finger thank you! So, with all of the retro-synth music coming out, Mellotrons are hip, you can buy new Moog gear again (see www.moogmusic.com), modular analog synths both real and virtual are all the rage, when do you think TD is going to dive into the fray and come up with their new analog classic? Or do you think Onkle Eddie will say, 'Been there, done that, besides, it is too much work! I like the harpsichord preset, I do, I do!!!' NP: Camel / Harbour Of Tears (Happy St. Patricks' day!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs@s... Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12093 Re: The Beam, Billy Mumy and Feldmans' Forum o' F Gabe Yedid Tue 3/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 5:12 pm Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > Oh no.. we are all done in for! The aliens are taking all out cow manure > away!! They're wasting their time with us ;). > How will we survive? It just mysteriously slips away.. > Serously, cool stuff Steven! I can't wait to see what NASA does with > Cydonia > on Mars, where the supposed face, and pyramid structure lie. I hope they > photograph that area.. but that's like... ummm.. you finding a copy of > The Keep LP :) Thanks to Dano, our local agent of the Trilateral Commission, that is something that finally seems within reach. (What Steve, you mean it never occurred to you how Dano could so easily get his hands on one? That kind of job takes *CONNECTIONS*!!!) Like you didn't know that, when played backwards at 3/4 speed, _The Keep_ LP relates the minutes of the Trilateral Commission's monumental meeting that took place at Spago's, Apr. 1 1981? Like you didn't know this list is, in fact, rife with conspirators and members of secret societies? In addition to Dano: --Eli is really a Freemason --Brian K. is a Templar --Lars is a high-ranking member of the Illuminati --you yourself, Steven, unwittingly serve the interests of the Elders of Zion --I am the local Speaker-at-large for the Second Foundation --Dave Datta, he who will not let the list come to harm and save it from its own worst excesses, is, in fact, R. Daneel Olivaw. >Greg H. Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12100 Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture Brian E. Kirby Tue 3/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 5:13 pm Subject: Re: Streethawk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD At 20:30 199803.17 +0800, tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' >1) Has there been any laser disc issue of this TV series? Don't know >2) How many episodes have been released on videocassette so far? Only one, the pilot episode Pete mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides on which instruments to take on the road. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 5:16 pm Subject: Re: The Beam, Billy Mumy and Feldmans' Forum o' Fantastic Fanomina, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' > > So, with all of the retro-synth music coming out, Mellotrons are hip, you > can buy new Moog gear again (see www.moogmusic.com), modular analog synths > both real and virtual are all the rage, when do you think TD is going to > dive into the fray and come up with their new analog classic? Or do you > think Onkle Eddie will say, 'Been there, done that, besides, it is too much > work! I like the harpsichord preset, I do, I do!!!' All that tells me is that, despite its pretenses of being an innovative art-form, e-music is one of the most conservative styles around. As long as people are so hooked on re-creating the '70s-early '80s sounds with their neo-vintage gear, I don't think there will be any more revolutions coming out of this particular school. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 6:27 pm Subject: Re: Streethawk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' > > Hi all > > I have 2 questions to ask about the Streethawk video. Any help is greatly > appreciated. > > 1) Has there been any laser disc issue of this TV series? > 2) How many episodes have been released on videocassette so far? > > Jeffrey There is no laserdisc and no other releases on video. Are you a Rex Smith fan? Hehhehe, Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 6:36 pm Subject: Beyond The Storm-cutout city dude! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS If you don't have Beyond the Storm I suggest you get it. All my dists are cutting it out..which means out of print baby! Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 5:45 pm Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > (...) > > Like you didn't know this list is, in fact, rife with conspirators and > members of secret societies? > > In addition to Dano: > --Eli is really a Freemason > --Brian K. is a Templar > --Lars is a high-ranking member of the Illuminati > --you yourself, Steven, unwittingly serve the interests of the > Elders of Zion > --I am the local Speaker-at-large for the Second Foundation > --Dave Datta, he who will not let the list come to harm and save it from > its own worst excesses, is, in fact, R. Daneel Olivaw. > > > Gabe I'm so relieved: I was afraid you were going to blow MY cover, Gabe... C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12097 Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture Gabe Yedid Tue 3/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 7:38 pm Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Vincent Goudreault > > > I'm so relieved: I was afraid you were going to blow MY cover, Gabe... C'mon Vincent, being an engineer on Canadair's top-secret project in conjunction with Grays to develop FTL travel using their technology isn't THAT important ;). > > C.B. Vincent Goudreault Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 8:00 pm Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: Vincent Goudreault > > > > > > I'm so relieved: I was afraid you were going to blow MY cover, Gabe... > > C'mon Vincent, being an engineer on Canadair's top-secret project in > conjunction with Grays to develop FTL travel using their technology > isn't THAT important ;). > > > > > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > > Gabe I was referring to the OTHER prject... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12110 Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture Gabe Yedid Wed 3/18/1998 2 KB 12114 TD does Asimov? Sean Montgomery Wed 3/18/1998 3 KB 12120 Re: TD does Asimov? Gabe Yedid Wed 3/18/1998 3 KB 12121 Re: Asimov Concept Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Wed 3/18/1998 4 KB 12153 Re: Asimov Concept Dennis Nigbur Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12164 Re: Asimov Concept Gabe Yedid Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12198 Re: Asimov Concept Dennis Nigbur Sat 3/21/1998 4 KB 12111 Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture John M. Poer Wed 3/18/1998 3 KB 12119 Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture Gabe Yedid Wed 3/18/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: An Open Apology to Archie Patterson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hello, I apologize for calling Archie Patterson names while complaining about a specific transaction between myself and his company, Eurock. The words I used were uncalled for and not justified as fodder for low humor. I have learned a lesson from this and won't commit an error of this sort again. Eurock has always carried and continues to carry recordings that no other American distributor has seen fit to make available to the buying public. As such, it is an invaluable source for those seeking electronic music recordings from outside the United States. What's more, Eurock's pricing for its stock is modest if not more than fair. I griped about the postal charge my order incurred because I ordered items that totaled $20 and was not too keen on paying $8 in postage for $20-worth of merchandise. The truth is, the two items I payed $10 for each normally retail for $20-$36 each in this country, so I was being really rather obnoxious in trying to save another 2 or 3 dollars on postage for what was and is admittedly a bargain despite the postage. I regret having tried to dissuade people from doing business with Eurock. The only unprofessionalism exhibited in the matter was due to actions and words issuing from myself--which I recant. Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ SUBSCRIBED TO: Space Music, ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Tadream, CNI News, P.E.E.R. ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ Perspectives, The MUFON UFO ^ ^ - _ \ 02146-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ Journal, the Nausicaa list, ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ and Nutrition News. ^ ^_- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HAYAO MIYAZAKI DISCUSSION GROUP: nausicaa@b... ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ <*> Address for subscribing: listserv@b... <*> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 6:51 pm Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby' > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > --Brian K. is a Templar Well Gabe, this should probably go without saying, but I'm afraid that I'm going to have to kill you. Best wishes, B. Kirby PS - If everyone on the list will please let me know when they'll be available for memory wipes, a member of our Remote Viewing division will be with you shortly. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: The Walls Have Ears and the Web Has Eyes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:28:05 -0600 >Subject: Re: Absurd to Complain in a Public Forum? >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: datta@c... (David Datta) > >} Really-From: Steven Feldman > >} I assumed [Archie Patterson] was not subscribed to the list >} because I have been subscribed to this list for seven years and have >} never heard a peep out of him here. As for 'somebody he knows' being >} on it, Ash is the only one--unless you count his various customers as >} being people he knows. > >Sorry, I happen to know him too. I know many other people who have been >subscribed to this list for as long as it existed who have never >uttered a peep here. Some people you probably wouldn't want reading >what you write. [. . .] Ulp. I don't want to think too hard who they might be, either. >[. . .] Some of them don't have computers and get stuff of interest >printed out and sent to them. Don't equate silence on the list with >ignorance of what goes on here. [. . .] Good point. Just because someone's not in the position (i.e. able) to reply doesn't mean they don't hear what we say and wouldn't *like* to be able to reply. >[. . .] I have been surprised myself by who knows what is happening >on this list. Lots of times, people off the list know more than I do >about what's going on here. That could be because--as administrator to some dozen mailing lists --you read few of the posts that pass through each and every list every day. This is understandable, yet oddly disquieting, nonetheless. >} [. . .] I guess it would be 'absurd to complain' if I forwarded some >} of the talk that goes on here re bootlegging to say, the administra- >} tor of the TDI website, the FBI, Virgin, Miramar, Sequel, etc. ad >} nauseum. Not! [. . .] > >Well, did it occur to you there the administrator of the website >probably reads the list? Or someone from Miramar or other record >label? [. . .] It should have, but--admittedly--it didn't. >[. . .] It would be 'absurd to complain' if one of your above listed >groups gets a mail forwarded to them. I see your point, now, and agree. >If I owned a business, I would most likely to have someone do regular >searches to see what people are saying about my business. [. . .] Again, this makes sense and is perfectly understandable. >[. . .] Eurock is a pretty unique enough name that it wouldn't be hard >to search list archive machines for the company. True enough. >[. . .] The point I am making is that things you say here are NOT >PRIVATE COMMUNICATIONS. This is something that I always knew tacitly yet never really thought through enough to the inevitable conclusion--even though it is inescapable. >} [. . .] what if I forwarded bootleg-related specifica to the record >} labels of such pop acts as REM, U2, Whitney Houston, Madonna, or >} suchlike? >Do you really believe that these companies don't have people looking >for stuff for them? [. . .] I guess I didn't. It wouldn't be the first time it was pointed out that I am naive. >[. . .] Let me put it this way, it wasn't music fans who made me shut >down archive.uwp.edu, it was the record companies. [. . .] ?!?! I never guessed! Ouch. *That's* a real eye-opener! :( >[. . .] I was told very clearly that they PAY people to filter all >this crap for information they need to know. [. . .] A-ha; paranoia can bear fruit, after all. Now we know. I guess no one here will be making cavalier comments about rock stars' imagined private habits too readily any more. ;) -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 2:48 am Subject: TD on Another Planet? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > So which TD album should be the first to be played on another > planet? Hyperborea? > It should be obvious! Alpha Centauri and Zeit! But also, I think that Encore would go well, or Exit. Maybe Optical Race. Hyperborea is a good one too. Dave B. (going back into lurk mode, until all the scary, strange posts stop!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12105 Re: TD on Another Planet? Rainer Rutka Wed 3/18/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 3:36 am Subject: Re: TD on Another Planet? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA In a message dated 98-03-17 21:51:45 EST, you write: << Dave B. (going back into lurk mode, until all the scary, strange posts stop!) >> Hey look out, that's my bush....David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12107 Re: TD on Another Planet? Plumer, Scott Wed 3/18/1998 2 KB 12108 Re: TD on Another Planet? SRiser3600 Wed 3/18/1998 2 KB 12144 Re: TD on Another Planet? Rainer Rutka Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 3:40 am Subject: Re: The EUROCK/from Canada ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gilles Nadeau' I bought for the first time 5 cd's from EUROCK. Before I fill the form, i sent an email to Archie about the title i want and the price. I received response and i sent my form in the wb site of Eurock. it was on the 4th of february. Last week (12th march) i received the invoice from Archie and today i received my 5cd's in a solid box. I paid the duty from US to Canada 10.23$ can. The fees for Air mail was 4.07us for 5 cd's. The raison why it take 7 week was when i sent my form, i had hte new one from Wahnfried (Drums'n Balls) and this cd was not in stock. At the begenning of march, Archie sent me an email about the waiting time to received my cd's. I'M satisfy about EUROCK, and I know with the difference between US and Canadian money it cost 44% more but i'm happy today and next week -end it will be a BIG SOUND WEEK-END. The other place where cd's from Klaus Schulze are available is in Germany and it cost an arm..... P.S. Excuse my english, my native language is french. Gilles Nadeau Quebec, Canada ---------- > De : tadream mailing list > A : tadream@c... > Objet : Re: The EUROCK/Feldman Debacle > Date : 15 mars, 1998 15:53 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Really-From: Rich Maggio > > > OK, I feel the need to speak up here. The last I heard, these mailing > lists are a PUBLIC forum. How did you not know that Archie wasn't a > subscriber to this mailing list, or that someone he knows is on it? > I think it is absurd to complain that your comments were forwarded to > Archie. If you have a perfectly valid point (which I am sure you do) > and stand by it, so what if he found out about it?!? > > I had a bad experience with an online CD company and I sent a > message to this list detailing my experience. I didn't care if > they found out - I copied them on the message!!! And even if I didn't > copy them on it, I would have assumed that they would have received a > copy since I was making my statement in a public forum. > > If 'retribution' is a concern, then the comments should not have been > made in a public forum. Period. > > Just my 2 cents. > > Rich Maggio > > > direct about my feelings when I'm online, but if and when you want to > > truly make a comment anonymous, at least remove the parts of the comment > > that identify the comment's writer so blatantly! My name was removed, > > but what remained was so obviously from me that it's pathetic. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 1:20 pm Subject: Re: TD on Another Planet? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > > So which TD album should be the first to be played on another > > planet? Hyperborea? > It should be obvious! Alpha Centauri and Zeit! But also, I think that > Encore would go well, or Exit. Maybe Optical Race. Hyperborea is a good > one too. OH NO ! Take Goblins Club ! It kicks a$$ ! (If the aliens have one !) ;-) Rainer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 1:22 pm Subject: Re: B5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek > Really-From: Kees > But the 5-episode discs come in 3 versions! > You have the German pressing, that's 5. > And you have the US pressing in 2 versions. The first > pressing came without booklet so you could see the > CD from the outside. The second pressing was with booklet. > Both pressings have different numbers. > The German pressing just has an extra logo. Well, actually the first US pressings came with a booklet. The second pressings were without a booklet so the casual shopper can see that these are different discs by seeing the cool designs on the CD and not the boring cover which was used for the episodic releases. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 2:05 pm Subject: RE: TD on Another Planet? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> So which TD album should be the first to be played on another >> planet? Hyperborea? >It should be obvious! Alpha Centauri and Zeit! But also, I think that >Encore would go well, or Exit. Maybe Optical Race. Hyperborea is a good >one too. I chose Hyperborea since it refers to a far-off mythical place, not because of the music, even though it is among my faves. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 3:06 pm Subject: Re: TD on Another Planet? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: SRiser3600 I would say that it really depends on the planet>>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12144 Re: TD on Another Planet? Rainer Rutka Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 3:30 pm Subject: Fwd: Beyond The Storm-cutout city dude! Thought I'd respond to this one. Here are my thoughts: Buy this if: 1) You are a die hard td fan 2) You are a rarities collector 3) You have 15$ (cheap, considering that this is a two cd set), that you don't care about spending on diluted td material which sounds like 'hmm.. I've heard that somewhere before', and, 'now I know why this wasn't released until now, they probably never should have.'. Because: --> I boast that those of you who have read without an extreme reaction to the above posess a more refined taste of MODERN ambient/ art rock music.... ....that should not be confused with the dates on which the tracks of these discs were concieved, since there is a well founded biographical value in this release that allows for the preservation of listener historical 'sentiment'... ...but questions the reason for the date of this release, that brings me to frustration when I wonder, is TD just getting .. old?. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 17, 1998 6:36 pm Subject: Beyond The Storm-cutout city dude! To: tadream@c... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS If you don't have Beyond the Storm I suggest you get it. All my dists are cutting it out..which means out of print baby! Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12141 Re: Beyond The Storm-cutout city dude! Jim Moore Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 3:47 pm Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Vincent...WHAT other project? You have one we don't know about? This jeopardizes the whole Alliance! We're going to have to 'persuade' one of the First Foundation members to drop by Laval sometime soon... ObTD: could TD make an Asimov concept album work? Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12114 TD does Asimov? Sean Montgomery Wed 3/18/1998 3 KB 12120 Re: TD does Asimov? Gabe Yedid Wed 3/18/1998 3 KB 12121 Re: Asimov Concept Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Wed 3/18/1998 4 KB 12153 Re: Asimov Concept Dennis Nigbur Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12164 Re: Asimov Concept Gabe Yedid Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12198 Re: Asimov Concept Dennis Nigbur Sat 3/21/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 4:25 pm Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'John M. Poer' At 03:00 PM 3/17/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Vincent Goudreault > > >tadream mailing list wrote: >> >> Really-From: Gabe Yedid >> Guys, >> On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: >> > Really-From: Vincent Goudreault >> > >> > >> > I'm so relieved: I was afraid you were going to blow MY cover, Gabe... >> >> C'mon Vincent, being an engineer on Canadair's top-secret project in >> conjunction with Grays to develop FTL travel using their technology >> isn't THAT important ;). >> >> > >> > C.B. Vincent Goudreault >> >> Gabe > > >I was referring to the OTHER prject... > I just got off the phone with Chris (Carter). He claims you guys don't even exist! jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12119 Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture Gabe Yedid Wed 3/18/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 4:29 pm Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > Vincent...WHAT other project? The one I can't mention here, you know... > > You have one we don't know about? You do know, but this forum is not secure; 'SF' may be reading this... > This jeopardizes the whole Alliance! > > We're going to have to 'persuade' one of the First Foundation members to > drop by Laval sometime soon... Ha ha ha! Very funny; especially since two of them are already in town. > > ObTD: could TD make an Asimov concept album work? We'll have to ask Isaac himself. His persona is running on emulation on one of our positronic computer. I'll keep you posted. > > Gabe N.P. Curve 'Come Clean'. This rocks. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12118 Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture Gabe Yedid Wed 3/18/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 4:31 pm Subject: Re: Silver Scale/Horns of Doom question ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: Aured Azhallein Rancuel > >After hearing Horns of Doom off the tape tree stuff and I recalled >someone mentioning how much more there was to Silver Scale, am I correct >in assuming Horns of Doom is part of this (it sure sounds Silver >Scaleish) Well the rhythm line of Horns of Doom was used during the 1983 Poland concert (The last 1/4th of the show). Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 4:42 pm Subject: TD does Asimov? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > ObTD: could TD make an Asimov concept album work? I don't think that would be a good idea. It would have a strong aroma of 'sellout' and 'creative bankruptcy' emmenating from it. I lost all interest in Chris Franke when he did the Celestine Prophecy album. Not to mention the fact that I don't think TDs current musical direction would really suit an Asimov theme. But you could probably put together a soundtrack to an imaginary Foundation movie with their Virgin era recordings. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12120 Re: TD does Asimov? Gabe Yedid Wed 3/18/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 5:14 pm Subject: Re: High Priced Eno and TD CDs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >>Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:00:49 -0800 >>Subject: Re: What is EUROCK/Archie Patterson's Problem? >>From: tadream mailing list >>Really-From: Elias Granillo, Jr. >> >>>Really-From: Steven Feldman >>> >>>[. . .] I just sent a copy of Eno's MUSIC FOR THE WHITE CUBE to >>>someone--in a box, with a shitload of bubblewrap without insurance-- >>>for just $3. And I had received $115 for this CD! I mean, come on: >> >>It frightens me that someone would pay that kind of money for a Brian >>Eno CD. What exactly was on it? [. . .] > > Don't laugh too hard: there are people paying $50.00 and up for a >*bootleg* of TD's 'Ultima Thule' 45 as we speak. WHY?!?!?!?!? Ultima Thule appears on Electronic Orgy, which is a boxed set of 4 CDs for a very reasonable price. >Now that Voiceprint is sold out of Quinoa, the price is about >$80 per copy. I never got my copy from them. feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 5:14 pm Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'John M. Poer' > > Guys, > > > > I just got off the phone with Chris (Carter). He claims you guys don't even > exist! > > jp > > 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' Chris is to be commended for his dedication to the project. He is our official denier (though he'll never admit that...) You John, however, should pay more attention to the subliminal messages embedded in 'Ambient Monkey': can't you follow your instructions? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 5:23 pm Subject: Re: Eurock & Progtron Addendum ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: DJS > > >tadream mailing list wrote: > >> I just talked to Archie today; he's currently being scr*wed by MC & >> Visa for entering CC orders manually as opposed to swiping someone's >> card. Forgive me for asking but why would MC and Visa single him out when entering credit card information by hand is a REQUIREMENT for Mail-order business...? Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 5:31 pm Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Vincent Goudreault > > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > > Vincent...WHAT other project? > > The one I can't mention here, you know... Ohhh...oh yeah. THAT project! I dig... > > You have one we don't know about? > > You do know, but this forum is not secure; 'SF' may be reading this... You are right. Forgive me, I slipped. My bad. > > We're going to have to 'persuade' one of the First Foundation members to > > drop by Laval sometime soon... > > Ha ha ha! Very funny; especially since two of them are already in town. Hmm...it seems the First Speaker has been up to more than he has been letting us sense. We are going to have to bring this under 'review', if you know what I mean. > > > > ObTD: could TD make an Asimov concept album work? > > We'll have to ask Isaac himself. His persona is running on emulation > on one of our positronic computer. I'll keep you posted. (watch it, watch it, you just might have spilled some of the beans about The Other Project!) does he prefer old or new style TD? (then again, if old TD is all you let him hear...) it's been great co-conspiring with you Vincent ;) Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 5:33 pm Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'John M. Poer' > > >> > Really-From: Vincent Goudreault > >> > > >> > > >> > I'm so relieved: I was afraid you were going to blow MY cover, Gabe... > >> > >> C'mon Vincent, being an engineer on Canadair's top-secret project in > >> conjunction with Grays to develop FTL travel using their technology > >> isn't THAT important ;). > >> > >> > > >> > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > >> > >> Gabe > > > > > >I was referring to the OTHER prject... > > > > > I just got off the phone with Chris (Carter). He claims you guys don't even > exist! Pah, Carter is a rank amateur. His was one of the easiest emotional readjusments we have ever performed. > > jp Gabe who's been on enough of an ego trip for now. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 5:34 pm Subject: Re: TD does Asimov? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > ObTD: could TD make an Asimov concept album work? > > I don't think that would be a good idea. It would have a strong aroma of > 'sellout' and 'creative bankruptcy' emmenating from it. I lost all > interest in Chris Franke when he did the Celestine Prophecy album. Not to > mention the fact that I don't think TDs current musical direction would > really suit an Asimov theme. But you could probably put together a > soundtrack to an imaginary Foundation movie with their Virgin era > recordings. > > > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator hm, I dunno Sean...I can sort of picture a scene where Hari Seldon gets his first glimpses of Trantor to the opening of 'Rising Haul...' Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 5:02 pm Subject: Re: Asimov Concept ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > >ObTD: could TD make an Asimov concept album work? > >Gabe Great question Gabe. When I think of Asimov, I think of 'I, Robot', and so I immediately think Kraftwerk would be better suited. I always envisage SF works as being futuristic, cold, technology-based or perhaps society-based. Perhaps my own mental image of this is uncommon, but I associate stark, technical musical themes with these. Thus I see Kraftwerk (no flame intended). I see TD more in the sword-and-sorcery vein : grand, mysterious, magical. Clearly, they have visited this ground with Legend. I think their (old) sweeping symphonic style maps more clearly onto my visualisation of the themes for S&S than onto SF. BWT, I read more SF than S&S. Go figure ! (as you American persons like to say). ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12153 Re: Asimov Concept Dennis Nigbur Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12164 Re: Asimov Concept Gabe Yedid Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12198 Re: Asimov Concept Dennis Nigbur Sat 3/21/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 6:09 pm Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Florine Epure' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Hey Guys 'n' Gal(?--only one?), > Since folks here think that this mailing list is a public forum > and that forwarding things from one place to another is not a problem, > here's a little bit of off-topic information. By the way, when is an > off-topic thread not an off-topic thread . . . but a spam? ;) >Subject: > An Open Apology to Archie Patterson >Really-From: Steven Feldman >Hello, > I apologize for calling Archie Patterson names while complaining >about a specific transaction between myself and his company, Eurock. Steven, I think some members of this list are really very bored with your 20-40-60 KB text/trash/spam messages you keep on sending to the list. First the Eurock thing and now the UFO post. Not to talk about your opinions on Eurock that change as the wind blows in the interval of a couple days.(???)This is really comic.At the beginning you called him names.And what do we get in the end? An apology? (you still need his services - but why didn't you think about this before starting all this thread?) And then Dave sends you a message telling you that anybody can hear what you say on this list - and what do you do? You punish everybody with the UFO stuff - which is anyways off-topic and adding a Keep logo or something won't make it otherwise. You heard before complaints from digest members who just have to scroll through tons of text to get something TD related and useful information - but seems like you really don't care. You heard about well known members that have left this list because of messages like yours - but you still don't get it. I guess you really have to post something here - if it it's good or stupid it really doesn't matter to you, as long as you send your quota of messages to the list. I really hope that in the future you won't bomb this list with everything what's on your mind and KEEP some to yourself. Florin. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 6:26 pm Subject: RE: TD does Asimov? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > I lost all >interest in Chris Franke when he did the Celestine Prophecy album. Not to Why? Just think of it as a soundtrack. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12127 Re: TD does Asimov? Sean Montgomery Wed 3/18/1998 3 KB 12135 Re: TD does Asimov? PENFOLD Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12139 Re: TD does Asimov? Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12158 Re: TD does Asimov? PENFOLD Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 6:30 pm Subject: Re: monolight ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland Question: on Tangents, one of the parts of Monolight is identified as the yellow part. Likewise, Logos has both blue and red parts. Does anyone know why these particular parts have been labeled with these colors? Just curious. Thanks. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 6:29 pm Subject: Re: GoldTri : Volume 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Damn. Wrong list. Sorry! ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 6:28 pm Subject: GoldTri : Volume 1 - A non-musician's view ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Being an associate of Mr. Middleton, I was awarded a peek of the CD and have thus been encouraged to provide this review. I hope no-one takes offense at what I say, certainly any overly negative or incorrect words are not the result of intention but simply my inability to adequately express myself. Hopefully, you will see that, as usual, Mr. Middleton and myself do not always agree. As such, you can ignore either set of comments, or both, when deciding what the general reaction will be to the CD. Enjoy, GoldTri Volume 1 ---------------- An honest (warts and all) review by a non-musician. The rating scale used is based on TaDream's AS scale where 1 represents poor and 5 represents perfect. CD 1 --------------------------------------------------- Timescape - Purple Rocks This one surprises me a bit since Kent's bio (as he told me) indicated that the guitar had not been used for some time. I don't know if this project prompted him to get it off the rack again, or if I misunderstood his meaning, but I feel the guitar saves this track. The first few minutes of this piece do little for me, but the excellent guitar solo which appears around three minutes and then again (to a lesser extent) later in the track gives this some structure and lead. An interesting choice for the opener, given that it is one of the few pieces to have 'real' instruments on it, but an attention grabber none-the-less. Personal Rating : 4 --------------------------------------------------- Fanger & Kersten - Tapedriver This has the type of progressive built-up of seqeunces and drum effects which I love. You'll know that already if you ever read my patchy reviews on the list. Never having fully grasped the finer points of e-music/dance sub-genres, this is what I always imagine 'trance' to be - a repetitive, though subtley changing bass-line/drum-beat/ sequencer which hypnotises the listener. The introduction of the vocal samples is, IMO, well-executed and timely. The whole effect leaves me thinking of Alter Ego, in particular their track 'SoulFree' which has another female vocal singing 'soulfree' (not surprisingly) in the same style. Personal Rating : 5 --------------------------------------------------- JoxBox - The 9th King of Fife For me, Jens had a hard act to follow, coming after F&K on the disc. I've been fortunate to hear the tape of his previous material he sent to Grant and I enjoy this track more than any on that cassette. However, when we get to the bottom line, I'm afraid this doesn't do things for me. Whether by design or by luck, I find I am always reminded of Schulze, both in instrumentation and execution. I am very choosy with Schulze material, being up there with Namlook (IMO) for being able to produce both excellence and tedium in equal proportions. Personal Rating : 2 --------------------------------------------------- Paul Nagle - Captain Edgar Buys a New Fish Now, Paul. I love Earthshaper. I love The Live Element. I have heard and liked Firedancer and Skyrider (hasn't grown to love because I don't own them). So why don't I like this track? I find it too crammed full of ideas and lead melodies for the sub-4-minute piece that it is. Rather than being able to get into the track to enjoy the melody and intricate accompaniment I usually like in Paul's work, I find I am mentally running to keep up with him. As an eight to ten minute piece, this would be great, but this sounds (to me) as though you're falling into the current TD failing of changing ideas too quickly without enough development. Or was that the point? Personal Rating : 3 --------------------------------------------------- Paul Lawler - Ice Station A rather light-weight intro to this track had me fooled the first couple of times I listened to it. However, in a similar way to the F&K track, I find this piece engaging and a real grower. Obviously, it is not as 'powerful' as Tapedriver, but I view this as a more 'beautiful' piece. I find the melody reminds me of some of Paul Nagle's softer moments on Earthshaper. As a newcomer to Paul Lawler's work, I may be on the look-out for more info and sounds from this man because this release has me intrigued. Personal Rating : 4 --------------------------------------------------- FSP - Amalthea Marcel achieves such results by manipulation of a seemingly simple (to my ears) yet effective sequencer line. The lively first section is in contrast with the more eerie and unsettling middle section, and even more so with the beautiful piano solo which finishes the piece. As with most of Marcel's work that I've heard to date, this takes a little time to grow on me but leaves me impressed and fulfilled. Personal Rating : 4 --------------------------------------------------- 4A - Hatred on an Imaginery Monorail Okay, I admit. I had to have the title explained to me. If I don't even get the title, what chance the music? You know (those of you with kids) when they bring you their first drawing and you can actually tell what it is? A simple picture of, say, a man (big blob for head, thin line for body and four varying lengths of line from various corners), or a house (big square with four little squares and a rectangle in it) and you feel both proud and a little touched by the child's simplistic view of the world? Well, that's what I feel about this track. The bass-line is a little too simplistic and sparse for me, the melody not 'up-front' enough. It promises much, but just fails to deliver. I guess this is just my condescending way of saying that I find this track charming in its naivety and simplicity. I think I can see what they wanted to achieve, and am touched by the effort. Personal Rating : 3 (very nearly a 4) --------------------------------------------------- Asana - Transform This sounds like the type of thing you'd find on Warp records (Autechre, Aphex twin, etc.) It sounds like a more professional version of the type of stuff I produce on the PC when I'm playing with Cakewalk Pro. I think Dave's reputation spoiled this track for me. I had expected much more than this. He has admitted that this is a departure for Asana, and I'm glad to hear it. After the excellent tracks I've heard from Asana before, I think this one is too simplistic and 'shallow' for me. Personal Rating : 2 --------------------------------------------------- Gigantic Legless Cauldrons - A Short Ride in an Even Faster Machine A song of two parts for me. The opening 1:20 is grand, symphonic and promises much. Following the drum roll at around 1:20, it seems as though there's some loss of direction and control which really is a shame. It manages to recover prior to the fade out, though. Is this an excerpt from something? 2:20 doesn't do this justice, and if that 30 second section after the drum roll was 'sorted out' (what do I know?), I think you'd have a real winner here. Personal Rating : 4 --------------------------------------------------- Airsculpture - Sargasso Sea What can I say? It's Airsculpture, one of my band's of the moment. If I can be blunt here, though (and I suppose I have been so far), where are AS going as a band? To my ignorant ears, AS have progressed little since their debut three years ago. They still produce excellent, wonderful, beautiful soundscapes in the classic tradition of 70's e-music (or is it now the classic tradition of retro 70's groups?), but I could imagine this piece appearing on Impossible Geometries. Warning - TD comparison approaching! (Sorry John) When TD were making this type of music, they had a period of perhaps four years which many consider their classic period. 1973 to 1977 saw the release of Phaedra, Rubycon (calm down Grant!) and Encore (Grant, I said CALM DOWN!), as well as (of course) Ricochet, Stratosfear and Sorceror. In that period, which could all be loosely classified as being of and about the same style, they were still progressing. They had moved from the quirky electronics of Atem (1972) and prog-rock-ness of Green Desert (1973), and were about to revisit that pro-rock scene with Cyclone (1978). However, IMO, each album produced in the intervening years has its own identity and style. To my ears, Impossible Geometries and Europa sound very similar, as does this track. Where are you going next John? I'm more concerned about losing AS' great talent through lack of progress than actually _wanting_ you to change style. Personal Rating : 5 (even with all the above, I love this!) CD 2 --------------------------------------------------- T-Bass UK - A Question of Time This live track is typical T-Bass, with the type of screaming synths that are my other passion (in addition to build-up of sequencers). Certainly falls into the 'whistlable' camp of e-music ( a new sub-genre, perhaps?) and is a perfect opener for the second CD. Is this the style of T-Bass' new CD, Generator? Personal Rating : 4 --------------------------------------------------- Under the Dome - Flussiger vier-Takter Being in the lucky position I am with respect to this 'group', I've heard this track on a number of occassions and, frankly, am getting fed up of it! 8-)) If Grant thinks that RAMP is too close to Logos, then this is too close to Cloudburst Flight for me, with the slow, acoustic guitar intro followed by the more manic middle sequence. This does not prevent it being a good piece however : Grant's trademark (?) sequencer sound and Colin Anderson's guitar work weave an entrancing middle section that should, IMO, have been continued in favour of that redundant (IMO) end reprieve for the tranquil piano. Personal Rating : 3 (would have been a 4 if the end was different) BTW - I'm allowed to say these things about Grant. He's man enough to take them, and can beat me up if I offend him. 8-) --------------------------------------------------- Eric Snelders - A Flock of Red Ibis I find this piece a little 'light' and 'floaty' for me. I expect this was the aim of the piece and it is therefore to be congratulated. However, it finds itself amongst some real kick-ass material and, IMO, it doesn't hold its own. If I had heard this pretty/nice track as part of a whole album of the same style then I would most likely enjoy it more. Instead, surrounded by these other tracks, I find this a bit lacking. Personal Rating : 2 --------------------------------------------------- Keller & Schoenwaelder - Stumbled in Derby This one certainly starts slowly. This is another one that sounds Schulzian to my ears, particularly the key changes and, after a few minutes, the little beat effects. This one confuses me slightly because it does very little : it sits there repeating the same sequence in various keys throughout the track, has some backing and the occassional 'tweet' or effect. I.E. it is minimal. And yet, there is something about it that attracts me. I'm never going to give this a particularly high mark, but for some reason I seem to like it more than I should. Personal Rating - 3 --------------------------------------------------- Ashok Prema - Unicorn This starts in the style that I expect Ash's work to be, melodic and full of eastern promise. The shock occurs when you think the song is finished : at around 2 minutes the melodic piece fades out and there is a tangible pause before the sequence starts up. This is classic stuff, superbly backed up with both eastern (Indian?) percussion and another, less 'twee' melody. I must admit to not rating Ash's first album particularly highly, but if this is a guide to a change of style, then I'm sure his new CD is a high-priority purchase. Personal Rating - 4 --------------------------------------------------- RAMP - The Warsaw Desaster Prior to this track, I had heard one RPM track on the Sequences sampler, and I loved it. Now that I've heard this, I eagerly await the official release of their CD. This piece combines an interesting beat with a catchy (though, IMO, dark) melody tht doesn't quite fit into my new 'whistlable' sub-genre (it's too complex). I think I owe Grant a slap for mentioning Logos in his review. Until then, I didn't notice the relationship, but now that it's pointed out I think there is indeed some 'homage' to that classic. However, this track has been vieing for top spot in my affections since I first heard it, and I believe it sands on its own as a wonderful piece of music. Personal Rating - 5 --------------------------------------------------- Satsuma Nightmare - Annulus This piece starts with Alan's son (watch out Edgar) making his debut on CD, and moves into a rather rocky-style of sound (rather than e-music style). I can see/hear guitars and drums almost in a stadard rock-quartet format here. It's more prog than elctronic, I would say. Unfortunately, having established this setup, the track seems to do nothing more. It doesn't develop but instead continues to pound away with the slightly irritating percussion. When the percussion goes, we are left with an overlong 'unaccompanied' section to fade out. Personal Rating - 2 --------------------------------------------------- Synthetic Block - Swell and Slack Starts with much abstract noises and sweeping effects until a quiet sequence appears. This bubbles along and then things start to happen. Melody line appears, percussion hits and now we're motoring. My concern here is the time. There's enough to keep me entertained for 5 or 6 minutes, but I find the track a little drawn out to fill the running time. I'm a hard man to please (some tracks have too many ideas and too little time - some have too much time and too few ideas). In this case it's unfortunate because other than that, this is a great track. Personal Rating - 3 --------------------------------------------------- Weird - Manual Gearchange For whatever reason, I find Jens collaboration with Andy better than any of the individual material I've heard from Jens. Andy has the Gottsching style down to an art, and this just catches me at a time when my interest in Ashra et al is fueled by the recent arrival of 3 Ashra CDs. Listening more closely, it's not just the guitar that makes this track for me. Yeah, of course, there's the accompaniment, but the background is actually very detailed and adds much to the track in a subtle way. Is there an album on the way, guys? Personal Rating - 4 --------------------------------------------------- Decapolis - Sunset Sorry, Riley, but this is 'jazzy' stuff. It's just got that 'funky' beat. And it's brilliant. I imagine Andy's guitar over this and get goosebumps. As it is, the flute-like melody reminds me of Deep Forest-style recordings - no bad thing. Perhaps suffers in being slightly too long, but I think this is a great closer for the album. Being slightly more difficult, I wouldn't count this as triangular, but as we all know that doesn't make something bad or weak. I actually see this as a strong piece on the album. Almost as if we're saying 'okay, that's all the screaming e-music stuff, here's something relaxing to finish your listening experience and make you realise there's more to life than Billy Currie and Andy Pickford.' Personal Rating - 4 ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 6:46 pm Subject: RE: TD does Asimov? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > I lost all interest in Chris Franke when he did the Celestine Prophecy > album. >> Why? Just think of it as a soundtrack. Okay, good point...after all, TD besmirched their name by contributing music to some pretty atrocious movies in the 80s. Ultimately, it still comes down to the music. But with instrumental music, 'concepts' give the listener a context in which to understand the album (ahh...an album about PARKS!), and if the context doesn't work, then the music can become stinky by association. I just fear that an album based on the works os Asimov would come across as pompous and meandering. Call it a hunch! On the other hand, this opinion is based totally on the idea of TD creating an *imaginary* soundtrack...if they ever had the chance to score a *real* Asimov-penned movie, then the results might be interesting, especially if they had great visuals to work with. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 6:54 pm Subject: B5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Details details...actually it is the other way around... MJ > And you have the US pressing in 2 versions. The first >pressing came without booklet so you could see the >CD from the outside. The second pressing was with booklet. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 9:29 pm Subject: Re: CF/Celestine prophecy and AGES! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > >> I lost all interest in Chris Franke when he did the Celestine Prophecy >> album. > >>> Why? Just think of it as a soundtrack. > I do not agree. I think Celetine P is a good album, very melodic and pleasant. CF did lost his ability on sequences but the music is not boring. On the contrary, his music of films are too symphonic for me ; they just get me bored, and this includes the B5 series : what a disappointment! What do you think of Pacific Blue? I remember there is only 4 or 5 instrumental tracks and the vocal tracks did the same thing as the symphonic soundtracks! Well, I found this afternoon AGES on CD (Virgin label) at Virgin megastore, Paris. Very cheap. They have received some pieces. A pity the last track is missing. Must burn a CD from the vinyle fot it. The Viking is more impressive with the 33 cm vinyle than from the little 12 cm CD. That's all for today, TaDreamers! Good night! Fred np : The Last Dance of Mr X. (Andy Summers) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12152 Re: CF/Celestine prophecy and AGES! Plumer, Scott Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12165 Re: CF/Celestine prophecy and AGES! =?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWW Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 10:23 pm Subject: Alpha Centauri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' Final call... anyone else going to The Netherlands this weekend that fancies meeting up over there? Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12132 Re: Alpha Centauri Jens Peschke Wed 3/18/1998 3 KB 12133 Re: Alpha Centauri Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12147 Re: Alpha Centauri Jens Peschke Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12159 Re: Alpha Centauri Marcel Engels Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12243 Alpha Centauri Lawry Simm Tue 3/24/1998 4 KB 12248 Re: Alpha Centauri Jens Peschke Tue 3/24/1998 6 KB 12249 Re: Alpha Centauri K.E Tue 3/24/1998 3 KB 12256 Re: Alpha Centauri Lawry Simm Tue 3/24/1998 4 KB 29440 Alpha Centauri tom george Mon 10/8/2001 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 11:01 pm Subject: D:Ambient Monkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' Ambient Monkeys - TDI011CD Subtitle: Dream folder #1 at Crimson's train lodge 'Myopia world' (???) Recorded 1997 Fujiwara Studios. 1. Token From Birdland 2. Symphony in a-minor (J.S.Bach) 3. The seventh propeller of silence 4. Calyx Calamander 5. Largo (G.F. Handel) 6. Riddle of the monkey tribe 7. Moon marble 8. Concerto in a-major, adagio (W.A Mozart) 9. Lemon Vendor Khaly 10. Campera de Mon Glynan 11. Virtue is it's own reward 12. Pantha rhei 13. Myopia world At first, I didn't know what to make of this album. It is very strange. The obvious snag with this release is the lack of cue points. Not really a problem for me, because I always listen to the whole cd, in order...(I'm not a 'skip this track - shuffle these tracks' sort of guy), but it can be a bit of a pain in the arse occasionally. It's hard to form an opinion of what this album is trying to be. As is well known, this cd was originally used as pre-concert ambient music during the 1997 European Tour. Reading the TD website, this music was released due to huge demand from the fans, and therefore, I believe was not originally intended for general release. This would at least explain it's lack of identity. It actually fulfilled it's purpose brilliantly. Sitting in Manchester waiting for TD to arrive, to be greeted by music that was clearly TD (some recognisable themes) yet completely removed from their current output, was quite an experience in itself. It wasn't clear before the concert that the Ambient Monkeys CD was by TD, Jerome solo, or A.N Other. All that was said in the press releases etc, was that it was pre-concert ambient music, so I was a bit concerned as I'd agreed to buy it for half a dozen overseas list members, and we didn't even know what it was. Still, concerns were short lived, as all deals were honoured and my estimations of not only those members involved, but the list as a whole were greatly improved. :-) Anyway, onto the music itself. This is obviously supposed to represent a journey, but quite where A and B are, and the route taken are far from clear. There are vast amounts of chuffing noises between each track, so we're obviously being carried by steam train, and on a coastal route it seems. Mention has been made of squarking monkeys etc, but most of the 'ambient' noise is that of steam trains, seashores, and light birdsong. Quite pleasant in the main, slightly irritating at worst. Unlike most of TD's recent classical output, the items found on this CD do not seem out of place. (Especially when compared to Pictures At An Exhibition, which I thought was the most inappropriately placed piece of music ever!). Here, at least, they seem to fit the mood. The third snippet of music, which happens to be my favourite part of the whole CD is Astral Voyager in disguise, and I can't help grooving at my keyboard when this starts up. Unfortunately, it only lasts for a couple of minutes. Like Tom Gerady, I recognise a lot of the other refrains, but I can't place them. Maybe Vic or Lars with their encyclopedic collections could offer some of the other names. I've even tried to date them based on synth pathes without success. Lemon Vendor Khaly is another snippet I like, so if someone could tell me what this actually is I'd appreciate it. There's nothing here to make me stand up and shout, nor is there anything to make me lie down and cry, so, I suppose I'd say it was an 'average' album. Overall, as an experiment, I think this CD stands up pretty well, but as the start of a potential series of releases, (my interpretation of the subtitle), I don't think it could be repeated. At least, not in this format. It'll never be my most played TD CD, but it won't acheive Electonic Meditation status either. Don't break your neck to get this CD, but if the opportunity comes your way, don't pass it up either. When I'm stressed out, it's good to fall asleep to. Sorry for the on-topic post. :-) I now return you to UFO's, Eurock, The Beam, Kitaro..... and all manner of wierd and wonderful things. :-) Lawry Simm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12189 Re: D:Ambient Monkeys Vic Rek Sat 3/21/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Mar 18, 1998 11:30 pm Subject: Re: Alpha Centauri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' > >Final call... anyone else going to The Netherlands this weekend that fancies >meeting up over there? Sure, ask at Marcel Engelsī stall for other tadreamers. More than a dozent of GoldTri members will meet there. Dunno how many of them are tadreamers too, guess about 7 or 8. Some of them arenīt that active over here, though. I canīt hardly wait especially for the ARC performance. Kind Regards Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 12:03 am Subject: Re: Alpha Centauri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >I canīt hardly wait especially for the ARC performance. >Kind Regards >Jens Can't wait for the review....between GT Vol1 & Alfa C., there's going to be a hoard of reviews to read, I hope :-) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Digital Sister/Nothing Really Matters ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman After reading two glowing reviews of the latest Madonna album and hearing the first single, 'Frozen' twice, I was intrigued enough to buy a promo of it. Her latest album, RAY OF LIGHT, for those who haven't heard, is ambient techno with house and jungle and all manner of other electronica burblings on it. It was produced by William Orbit, who has worked with Blur and Depeche Mode. It is rumored that Madonna tried to hire Liam Howlett of Prodigy for the project, but that he turned her down. As early as her second album, 1984's MATERIAL GIRL, Madonna has featured Eurodisco stylings (on that LP, 'Over and Over') on her tracks but it wasn't until the single remix of 'Express Yourself' (from the 1989 album, LIKE A PRAYER) that she had a hit with a song of this type. Next up was 1990's 'Justify My Love.' Much was made of the fact that Lenny Kravitz co-wrote it, but not too many people noticed that it was a funky rendition of Kraftwerk's 'Trans-Europe Express' (a music journalist in THE BOSTON PHOENIX noticed it). 1992's EROTICA album featured a zesty Eurodisco/'deep house' track called 'Deeper and Deeper,' which teased me by being just electronic enough to whet my appetite but not enough to be real electronica. The latest Madonna album is *really good*. Except for a used vinyl copy of LIKE A PRAYER that I bought erroneously assuming that the album version of 'Express Yourself' was the same as the single version, this marks the first time I've ever bought an album of hers. And it's only been out for two weeks! Okay, you've come this far and are probably fidgeting because I haven't oo-ed and ah-ed about Tangerine Dream in this post yet, so here's why I've posted to this list re Madonna: musically, RAY OF LIGHT falls in between THE DREAM MIXES and TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II in many ways (and there are definite similarities to FSOL's LIFE FORMS album, too). Most noticeably, RAY OF LIGHT's Track 6, 'Nothing Really Matters' is similar to TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II's Track 4, 'Digital Sister.' This is particularly interesting in that 'Digital Sister' seems to not only be the only track on TIMESQUARE that doesn't seem to be a remix of a previous TD track, but is also the most atypical track on the album. With it's almost-funky bass-heavy riff, it sounds strangely out of place. The same thing can be said for 'Nothing Really Matters,' which, to me, is the best thing on RAY OF LIGHT. It is not one of the two 'hits' off the album so far, but I have a feeling it'll be the third (but what do *I* know; I'm hardly a Madonna expert). So, I guess I'm trying to say to try to get to hear the new Madonna album if you like the DREAM MIXES albums. -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12137 Re: Digital Sister/Nothing Really Matters Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12140 Re: Digital Sister/Nothing Really Matters Jim Moore Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12162 Re: Digital Sister/Nothing Really Matters Gabe Yedid Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12163 Re: Digital Sister/Nothing Really Matters Steven Feldman Thu 3/19/1998 4 KB 12185 Re: Digital Sister/Nothing Really Matters Jim Moore Fri 3/20/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 1:03 am Subject: Re: TD does Asimov? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD At 08:42 199803.18 -0800, tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Sean Montgomery >> ObTD: could TD make an Asimov concept album work? Harlan Ellison wrote a screenplay that pulls together a lot of Asimov's writings, using Susan Calvin through which they are presented. Apparently Asimov was satisfied with Ellison's treatment. Pete mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides on which instruments to take on the road. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 1:02 am Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture At 12:31 199803.18 -0500, tadream mailing list wrote: snip! 8><....................... yadda yadda yadda.....zzzzz talk about topic drift! 'We speak of time and mind, which do not easily yield to categories. We separate past and future and find that time is an amalgam of both. We separate good and evil and find that mind is an amalgam of both. To understand, we must grasp the whole.' - Isaac Asimov /^\ | PENFOLD | mailto:penfold@a... | | | YA .semi.random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 1:18 am Subject: Re: Digital Sister/Nothing Really Matters ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > So, I guess I'm trying to say to try to get to hear the new Madonna > album if you like the DREAM MIXES albums. > > -- Steven Feldman I'll pass :-) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 2:23 am Subject: Re: Silver Scale/Horns of Doom question ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-03-18 11:33:02 EST, you write: << Horns of Doom is part of this (it sure sounds Silver >Scaleish) >> Don't know what Horns of Doom is, but Silver Scale is very similar to Thief - Diamond Diary, I believe- and we all love that album, don't we? so it stands to reason we really like this particular piece. Dell np: World Without Rules From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 1:29 am Subject: Re: TD does Asimov? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: PENFOLD > > Harlan Ellison wrote a screenplay that pulls together a lot of Asimov's > writings, using Susan Calvin through which they are presented. Are you referring to Harlan, Patron Saint of the Writer's screenplay for *I, Robot*? > Apparently Asimov was satisfied with Ellison's treatment. How could he not be? He had Harlan!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (runner-up: P.K. Dick) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 2:48 am Subject: RE: Digital Sister/Nothing Really Matters ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' > This is particularly interesting in that 'Digital Sister' seems to >not only be the only track on TIMESQUARE that doesn't seem to be a remix >of a previous TD track, Huh? Neither are 'Timesquare' and 'Jungle Jacula'... - jim 'If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes...' -- Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer) Blade Runner, 1982 ----------------------------------------------------- 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12162 Re: Digital Sister/Nothing Really Matters Gabe Yedid Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 2:48 am Subject: RE: Beyond The Storm-cutout city dude! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' > --> I boast that those of you who have read without > an extreme reaction to the above posess a > more refined taste of MODERN ambient/ > art rock music.... This is perhaps the most pretentious thing I have yet to hear on this list... - jimbo 'If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes...' -- Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer) Blade Runner, 1982 ----------------------------------------------------- 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: RE: An open message... also to others ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (Peter Stoeferle) Hi, perhaps this should also go to those discussing about Kitaro, Ufos,... I always believed this is a *Tangerine Dream* mailing list - or am I wrong ???????????? > Subject: An open message to Steven Feldman > Really-From: David Datta > : Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Steven, > > ... > > Maybe you subscribed so long ago you forgot the intro message: > > I would like to welcome you to the mailing list 'tadream'. It > is a forum for discussions about Tangerine Dream and related > artists. The discussions are not moderated, but I do ask that > the discussions have some small relation to Tangerine Dream > (solo works and instrumentation discussions are welcome). 'nuff said. Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12148 Re: An open message... also to others DJS Thu 3/19/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 2:56 am Subject: The Man Inside ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' For Sale: Original CD, THE MAN INSIDE, EMI France, 7956172. Best Offer. E-Man Elias Granillo, Jr. upnsm0ke@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12150 Mark Jones Thu 3/19/1998 2 KB 12151 Mark Jones Thu 3/19/1998 2 KB 19771 Re: The Man Inside Lawry Simm Tue 12/14/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 10:00 am Subject: Re: TD on Another Planet? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > I would say that it really depends on the planet>>>> If it's VULCAN ! ... it must be LOGOS ! (What else ?) Rainer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 9:52 am Subject: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles Hi, I know this is old, it takes me a while to catch up :-), but there was a lot of general complaining a while back about TD using a lot of presets in the 90's albums. Just what do you mean by presets? Standard bass paterns? Standard sounds or what? Surely if your going to use a wood block as a rythum (?) line there is only one sound to use...No? Just curious.. Colin n.p. Nothing..Off to electricute some first-years... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12160 Re: Presets feldon@p... Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12161 Re: Presets Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12199 Re: Presets Dennis Nigbur Sat 3/21/1998 4 KB 12170 Re: Presets Colin Knowles Fri 3/20/1998 4 KB 12174 Re: Presets feldon@p... Fri 3/20/1998 7 KB 12172 Re: Presets Lawry Simm Fri 3/20/1998 3 KB 12173 Re: Presets Elias Granillo, Jr. Fri 3/20/1998 4 KB 12177 Re: Presets Plumer, Scott Fri 3/20/1998 2 KB 12180 Re: Presets =?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWW Fri 3/20/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 6:30 am Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) > > Are you serious about this ASIMOV stuff? I had the rare opportunity of > spending the afternoon with his wife and him in their Central Park > penthouse back in 1985. Quite an incredible man, and that is not just > because he is distantly related to me either! > Who can access this positronic computer of yours anyway? > > Matt You're related to Asimov? That's pretty cool. My bloodline can be traced to Pancho Villa, Riley's connected somehow (he did a geneagram) to the Bridges clan (Lloyd, Beau, Jeff...), Dan's related to John Carpenter, and Bob and Chris are drinking buddies!!!!!!!!!! E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 6:22 am Subject: Re: Alpha Centauri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' E-man suggested (?): >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' [...] >Can't wait for the review....between GT Vol1 & Alfa C., there's going to be >a hoard of reviews to read, I hope :-) Yep. I hope someone will even present some nice pictures taken with a digital device on one of the web pages ! 'Breathing at Huizen' for those you arenīt luckily enough to join the party. :) Plus we hope to get some signatures on *some* of the contrib copies. Thanks the allmighty that thereīs enough space left ! ;) ob: TD content: A new stunning UK EM act, ARC (Mark Shreeve and Ian Boddy), will present their very 1st concert and CD over in the Netherlands. They are using almost analogue gear incl. two huge modular systems (A BIG Moog modular, aka the hump on Chris Frankeīs back and a huge Roland Modular). I donīt like to compare them with TD of the mid 70s but iīd say, most that prefer the Baumann aera to TDīs output in the 90s should give them a try. Rock on, dude(s) ! Jens PS: Eli, Iīd like to wait with my review until the others have heard the music too. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 7:19 am Subject: Re: An open message... also to others ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (Peter Stoeferle) > > Hi, > > perhaps this should also go to those discussing about Kitaro, Ufos,... > > I always believed this is a *Tangerine Dream* mailing list - or am I wrong > ???????????? > > > Subject: An open message to Steven Feldman > > Really-From: David Datta > > : Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > > Steven, > > > > ... > > > > Maybe you subscribed so long ago you forgot the intro message: > > > > I would like to welcome you to the mailing list 'tadream'. It > > is a forum for discussions about Tangerine Dream and related > > artists. The discussions are not moderated, but I do ask that > > the discussions have some small relation to Tangerine Dream > > (solo works and instrumentation discussions are welcome). > > 'nuff said. > Peter Actually, being that we are not entirely robots..we do drift from topic from time to time...which I actually find refreshing. I also find it humorous to read some of these off topic posts, even if they are thinly veiled with TD references. These discussions are actually related to TD...they just linger longer without the word 'Tangerine Dream' in the sentences. Besides, they all end sooner than later anyway...especially when Gandalf thrusts his staff into the thundering sky.....so chill dude. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 6:55 am Subject: Re: Off Topic: UFO Abductions--The Big Picture ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) >Really-From: Vincent Goudreault >tadream mailing list wrote: >> >> Really-From: Gabe Yedid >> >> Vincent...WHAT other project? >The one I can't mention here, you know... >> >> You have one we don't know about? >You do know, but this forum is not secure; 'SF' may be reading this... >> This jeopardizes the whole Alliance! >> >> We're going to have to 'persuade' one of the First Foundation >members to >> drop by Laval sometime soon... >Ha ha ha! Very funny; especially since two of them are already in >town. >> >> ObTD: could TD make an Asimov concept album work? >We'll have to ask Isaac himself. His persona is running on emulation >on one of our positronic computer. I'll keep you posted. >> >> Gabe >N.P. Curve 'Come Clean'. This rocks. Are you serious about this ASIMOV stuff? I had the rare opportunity of spending the afternoon with his wife and him in their Central Park penthouse back in 1985. Quite an incredible man, and that is not just because he is distantly related to me either! Who can access this positronic computer of yours anyway? Matt _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 3:40 am Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Jones unsubscribe tadream From: tadream@c... 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Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >> I lost all interest in Chris Franke when he did the Celestine > Prophecy > >> album. > >>> Why? Just think of it as a soundtrack. > >I do not agree. I think Celetine P is a good album, very melodic and >pleasant. CF did lost his ability on sequences but the music is not boring. >On the contrary, his music of films are too symphonic for me ; they just get >me bored, and this includes the B5 series : what a disappointment! Hey, I like CP! A little on the new-agey side, and there's one track (#5) that sounds like it was lifted from White Eagle, but otherwise I enjoy it a lot. So far, it's all the CF solo I've heard. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 1:48 pm Subject: Re: Asimov Concept ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:02:42 +0000 (GMT) tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > > I see TD more in the sword-and-sorcery vein : grand, mysterious, magical. > Clearly, they have visited this ground with Legend. I think their (old) > sweeping symphonic style maps more clearly onto my visualisation of the themes > for S&S than onto SF. Have you read Asimov's Extended Foundation Cycle (an epic comprising ca. 15 novels)?? Sounds grand and mysterious enough for a TD soundtrack, in my opinion. I agree that Kraftwerk would fit in well with the short stories, but Asimov goes far beyond those. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12164 Re: Asimov Concept Gabe Yedid Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB 12198 Re: Asimov Concept Dennis Nigbur Sat 3/21/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 2:19 pm Subject: Re: Asimov Concept ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > > > > > I see TD more in the sword-and-sorcery vein : grand, mysterious, magical. > > Clearly, they have visited this ground with Legend. I think their (old) > > sweeping symphonic style maps more clearly onto my visualisation of the themes > > for S&S than onto SF. > > Have you read Asimov's Extended Foundation Cycle (an epic > comprising ca. 15 novels)?? Sounds grand and mysterious > enough for a TD soundtrack, in my opinion. I agree that > Kraftwerk would fit in well with the short stories, but > Asimov goes far beyond those. > > Dennis Dano has 'Red Morpho' on *repeat* while reading the adventures of Fafhrd & The Grey Mouser. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 9, 1998 1:43 pm Subject: Re: silver scale/Macula Transfer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' On Mar 9, 1:51am, tadream mailing list wrote: > Subject: silver scale > Really-From: Nick.Adams@C... > > > please please please help me, its driving me mad what album is silver > scale from and how do i get it. > nick >-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list 'Siver Scale' is on the 5th CD of the 5 CD box 'Tangents' (This 5th CD was for previously unreleased stuff). This box set sold brislky back in 1994 and would now be nearly impossible to locate -- unless you can find someone willing to part with it. Note to Dan: will SuperCollector carry those new release of Macula Transfer on CD? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12157 Re: silver scale/Macula Transfer Vincent Goudreault Thu 3/19/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 2:52 pm Subject: madonna & TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean I reluctant to admit it, but Madonna's new album is pretty good, thanks to William Orbit's producing it... I didn't notice the parallels to Timesquare though (yet) MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 3:26 pm Subject: Re: silver scale/Macula Transfer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Vincent Goudreault' > > On Mar 9, 1:51am, tadream mailing list wrote: > > Subject: silver scale > > Really-From: Nick.Adams@C... > > > > > > please please please help me, its driving me mad what album is silver > > scale from and how do i get it. > > nick > >-- End of excerpt from tadream mailing list > > 'Siver Scale' is on the 5th CD of the 5 CD box 'Tangents' (This 5th CD was > for previously unreleased stuff). This box set sold brislky back in 1994 > and would now be nearly impossible to locate -- unless you can find someone > willing to part with it. > > Note to Dan: > will SuperCollector carry those new release of Macula Transfer on CD? > > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > online since early 93, TD fan since 77 > first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Geee! This e-mail was sent 10 days ago and is only being delivered now. Looks like the 'other' project is a success, right Gabe? C.B. Vincent Goudreault online since early 93, TD fan since 77 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 4:40 pm Subject: Re: TD does Asimov? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD At 17:29 199803.18 -0800, tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >> Really-From: PENFOLD >> >> Harlan Ellison wrote a screenplay that pulls together a lot of Asimov's >> writings, using Susan Calvin through which they are presented. > >Are you referring to Harlan, Patron Saint of the Writer's screenplay for >*I, Robot*? Yes, the same. Pete mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides on which instruments to take on the road. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 5:00 pm Subject: Re: Alpha Centauri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' > >Final call... anyone else going to The Netherlands this weekend that fancies >meeting up over there? Yep, I'll be there. I'll have my own stall (together with another group). It's nice to say hello to some of the list-members. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 5:00 pm Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: Colin Knowles > >Hi, > >I know this is old, it takes me a while to catch >up :-), but there was a lot of general >complaining a while back about TD using a lot of >presets in the 90's albums. > >Just what do you mean by presets? Standard bass >paterns? Standard sounds or what? > >Surely if your going to use a wood block as a >rythum (?) line there is only one sound > to use...No? TD is using the built-in sound samples of all the keyboards they have and it sounds like a drummer using a $150 drumset. Before 1985, TD was WORLD-REKNOWNED for digitizing and researching their OWN sound effects and sound samples. Now, it seems like they just settle for whatever the keyboards will spit out. These keyboards have megabytes of memory to hold ANY sample they so choose. Why don't they do this? The last sampling I've heard of any note was Jerome grabbing a snippet of Darth Vader (Star Wars)... Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 5:49 pm Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: feldon@p... > > >Really-From: Colin Knowles >> > >Just what do you mean by presets? Standard bass > >paterns? Standard sounds or what? > > > >Surely if your going to use a wood block as a > >rythum (?) line there is only one sound > > to use...No? > > TD is using the built-in sound samples of all the keyboards they have and > it sounds like a drummer using a $150 drumset. Before 1985, TD was > WORLD-REKNOWNED for digitizing and researching their OWN sound effects and > sound samples. Now, it seems like they just settle for whatever the > keyboards will spit out. These keyboards have megabytes of memory to hold > ANY sample they so choose. Why don't they do this? The last sampling I've > heard of any note was Jerome grabbing a snippet of Darth Vader (Star Wars)... In fact, wasn't Mssr. Franke the chief Mad Scientist of Sound Synthesis & Generation of Projekt: Tang? About the time he left (mid 80s) is pretty much when TD's palette began to sound more and more as though made up of *stock* sounds. E Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12199 Re: Presets Dennis Nigbur Sat 3/21/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 8:14 pm Subject: RE: Digital Sister/Nothing Really Matters ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Jim Moore' > > > > > This is particularly interesting in that 'Digital Sister' seems to > >not only be the only track on TIMESQUARE that doesn't seem to be a remix > >of a previous TD track, > > Huh? Neither are 'Timesquare' and 'Jungle Jacula'... Arguably, it is a remix of 'Loved By The Sun'. > - jim Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: RE: Digital Sister/Nothing Really Matters ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:48:54 -0500 >Subject: RE: Digital Sister/Nothing Really Matters >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Jim Moore >> This is particularly interesting in that 'Digital Sister' seems >>to not only be the only track on TIMESQUARE that doesn't seem to be >>a remix of a previous TD track, > >Huh? Neither are 'Timesquare' and 'Jungle Jacula'... The following is a re-post: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Subject: Associations Between TIMESQUARE Tracks & Other TD Date: Sun, 16 Nov 97 20:36:20 EST From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Really-From: Steven Feldman I've only played TIMESQUARE twice, now, but some sounds and tunes appeared to be familiar: 1.) MOBOCASTER Twilight Brigade (TURN OF THE TIDES) Dreamtime (220 VOLT LIVE) 2.) JUNGLE JACULA Roaring of the Bliss (THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF TANGERINE DREAM) 3.) TOWARDS THE EVENING STAR Towards the Evening Star (that was too easy, hee hee) 4.) DIGITAL SISTER (nothing yet) 5.) PIXEL PIRATES Dreamtime and Towards the Evening Star 6.) CULPA LEVIS Iowa (THE CLUB DREAM MIXES) 7.) TIMESQUARE Loved by the Sun (LEGEND) Change of the Gods (THE DREAM MIXES) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12185 Re: Digital Sister/Nothing Really Matters Jim Moore Fri 3/20/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 8:42 pm Subject: Re: Asimov Concept ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > > > I see TD more in the sword-and-sorcery vein : grand, mysterious, magical. > > Clearly, they have visited this ground with Legend. I think their (old) > > sweeping symphonic style maps more clearly onto my visualisation of the themes > > for S&S than onto SF. > > Have you read Asimov's Extended Foundation Cycle (an epic > comprising ca. 15 novels)?? Sounds grand and mysterious > enough for a TD soundtrack, in my opinion. I agree that > Kraftwerk would fit in well with the short stories, but > Asimov goes far beyond those. > > Dennis > I've managed to track down all but the Empire novels. I just figure, if Mike Oldfield could make an Arthur C. Clarke concept album work, why not TD and Asimov? Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12198 Re: Asimov Concept Dennis Nigbur Sat 3/21/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 7:02 pm Subject: Re: CF/Celestine prophecy and AGES! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' > >> >> I lost all interest in Chris Franke when he did the Celestine >> Prophecy >> >> album. >> >>> Why? Just think of it as a soundtrack. >> > >I do not agree. I think Celetine P is a good album, very >melodic and > >pleasant. CF did lost his ability on sequences but the music is >not boring. > >On the contrary, his music of films are too symphonic for me ; >they just get > >me bored, and this includes the B5 series : what a >disappointment! > Hey, I like CP! A little on the new-agey side, and there's one >track (#5) that sounds like it was lifted from White Eagle, but >otherwise I enjoy it a lot. So far, it's all the CF solo I've heard. > > Scott > Whoops! There must be some misunderstanding ! (would have said Phil Collins) Sorry, Scott! np : pie jesu (Robert Fripp) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Madonna's RAY OF LIGHT/TD's DREAM MIXES I & II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:18:59 -0800 >Subject: Re: Digital Sister/Nothing Really Matters >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Elias Granillo, Jr. > >> So, I guess I'm trying to say to try to get to hear the new >> Madonna album if you like the DREAM MIXES albums. >> >I'll pass :-) Perhaps I should clarify what I said, then: Madonna's latest album, RAY OF LIGHT, which is an homage/pastiche/ ripoff of ambient techno, is much better than TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II in almost every possible way, and yet often winds up neck and neck with THE DREAM MIXES (I). The Madonna album has two turkey tracks, and the Tangerine Dream album has two weak tracks and one turkey track. It is my observation that TD's DREAM MIXES project is the result of Jerome's predilection for techno clubs and subsequent desire to get his own music played in them. It is also my observation that while TD blazed the way for some of what is currently in clubs, what they have issued as THE DREAM MIXES and TIMESQUARE is an attempt to imitate a group of musical subgenres (often lumped together as 'electronica' or 'techno') that -- regardless of their indebtedness to some of what TD pioneered way back when -- has eclipsed TD's understanding of the possibilities presented by computerized musical instrumentation and the recording studio in the 1990's. Anyone who hears the Future Sound of London's LIFEFORMS 2-CD set or Madonna's RAY OF LIGHT even a handful of times will tell you that: o Tangerine Dream has virtually no grasp of (the) dance genre(s). o Tangerine Dream's sound -- as sound rather than music -- no longer feels at all organic. o Tangerine Dream rarely produces melodies catchy enough to cross their music over into other musical markets. Madonna's RAY OF LIGHT comes off better than TD's DREAM MIXES CDs because it was produced by the genuine article -- an established ambient techno musician, not a weekend raver like Jerome. Flames welcome. ;) P.S.: It could be that one of TD's biggest problems is a complete lack of objectivity: I can't recall a Froese composition ever being produced by someone other than the band for inclusion on a TD album. -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 10:37 pm Subject: Hmmm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA tasubscribe undream Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12168 Re: Hmmm Jens Peschke Thu 3/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Mar 19, 1998 10:55 pm Subject: Re: Hmmm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: DAVENTURA > > >tasubscribe undream You just got a gold star for the most informative posting of the last weak week ! ;-) High potentials over there ! :-) Cheers Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 2:14 am Subject: Email address change EAR/Rational Music , Tangerine Dream , Jarre Mailing List 2 , Jarre Mailing List 1 , Intelligentsia , GoldTri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian M. Frick' Hello, all! I apologize in advance for the cross post, but it is much easier this way to inform you that as of this week I will no longer be available at my email address Brian.M.Frick@l... Please email me at frickblj@w... from now on. For those of you who may have me on a mailing list, please make the appropriate adjustment. I apologize if this causes any hassle. Please email me at Brian.M.Frick@l... until 12:00 noon CST Friday 3/20/98 if you have any questions. Thanks! -- Brian M. Frick From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 10:45 am Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > Really-From: feldon@p... > > > > > > TD is using the built-in sound samples of all the keyboards they have and > > it sounds like a drummer using a $150 drumset. Before 1985, TD was > > WORLD-REKNOWNED for digitizing and researching their OWN sound effects > and > > sound samples. Now, it seems like they just settle for whatever the > > keyboards will spit out. These keyboards have megabytes of memory to hold > > ANY sample they so choose. Why don't they do this? The last sampling I've > > heard of any note was Jerome grabbing a snippet of Darth Vader (Star > Wars)... > > In fact, wasn't Mssr. Franke the chief Mad Scientist of Sound Synthesis & > Generation of Projekt: Tang? About the time he left (mid 80s) is pretty > much when TD's palette began to sound more and more as though made up of > *stock* sounds. > > E I seem to remember that EF was more into tape looping.... Anyway isn't the quality of the music more important than the number of new and/or original sounds? A peice may be nothing but interesting samples but that doesn't mean it'll sound any good (Ambient Monkeys?). Surely the less time they spend reasearching sounds (which there are many more people doing now than there were in the early 80's!) the more time can be devoted to creating better album, in terms of compostion, mixing, production etc. I know I'm biased (prefer 90's stuff to 70's/some 80's) but if the music is good who cares what was used to create it? I sometimes get the idea that some people on this list are more interested in how an album was made than the music it contains. (Not a dig at any one in particular before the flames start!) Colin n.p. Iron Maiden--Powerslave Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12174 Re: Presets feldon@p... Fri 3/20/1998 7 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 9:58 am Subject: Interview with Loren Nerell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'J. Munnshe' Hello! Some months ago, I interviewed to the composer Loren Nerell, who collaborated as musician with ex-TD Paul Haslinger in 'World without Rules'. The interview is published in Amazing Sounds. You can read it at: http://www.amazings.com/articles/article0037.html ('Amazing Sounds' is a free online / email-distributed magazine about electronic music, Ambient, New Instrumental, Experimental. You can subscribe using the subscription form at: http://www.amazings.com/ingles.html Best wishes, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jorge Munnshe *** jmunnshe@c... + AMAZING SOUNDS. + http://www.amazings.com + E-Mail: amazings@a... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 11:59 am Subject: RE: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' Presets are bascially the sounds that come 'pre set' in synth. TD used to spend a great deal of time creating their own sounds, especially on the old analogue synths where you could just start with a completely blank canvas. Now however, TD are more inclined to just use the basic sounds that come with the synth and apply little or no editing. Turn of The Tides claims to use over 50 new/unique sounds created by TD, but I'm afraid they still sound very much like the presets to me. Half the problem is that some of the editing features available on today's synths are either overly complex, or very time consuming to apply. Hopefully, the new breed of digital 'analogue' synths which have all the dials and sliders like the old days, such as the JP-8000 will make 'realtime' sound shaping a more accessible function. The 'overuse' of presets, in my mind, makes for quite a boring sound, unless they are used imaginatively. Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 3:04 pm Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Colin Knowles > > > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > > > Really-From: feldon@p... > > > > > > TD is using the built-in sound samples of all the keyboards they have and > > > it sounds like a drummer using a $150 drumset. Before 1985, TD was > > > WORLD-REKNOWNED for digitizing and researching their OWN sound effects > > and > > > sound samples. Now, it seems like they just settle for whatever the > > > keyboards will spit out. These keyboards have megabytes of memory to hold > > > > In fact, wasn't Mssr. Franke the chief Mad Scientist of Sound Synthesis & > > Generation of Projekt: Tang? About the time he left (mid 80s) is pretty > > much when TD's palette began to sound more and more as though made up of > > *stock* sounds. > > Anyway isn't the quality of the music more important than the number of new and/or > original sounds? A peice may be nothing but interesting samples but that doesn't > mean > it'll sound any good (Ambient Monkeys?). > I know I'm biased (prefer 90's stuff to 70's/some 80's) but if the music is good > who cares > what was used to create it? I sometimes get the idea that some people on this list > are more > interested in how an album was made than the music it contains. (Not a dig at any > one in > particular before the flames start!) TD was previously known for a combo of good tunes/original sounds. I'm sure the advent of workstations has really simplified their composing/sound generation process for them. I'm pretty much for good music before original voices, but much of the 90s stuff now sounds the same to me. I like Rockoon, Tyranny of Beauty & love Oasis, but I can't stand Turn of the Tank and Goober's Club, voices/samples irregardless. The Schmoelling era still reigns, sorry :-) > Colin > n.p. Iron Maiden--Powerslave 'Two Minutes...To Miiiiiiiidniiiiiiiiiiiiight'!!!!!!!!!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 4:30 pm Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: Colin Knowles >> > Really-From: feldon@p... >> > >> > >> > TD is using the built-in sound samples of all the keyboards they have and >> > it sounds like a drummer using a $150 drumset. Before 1985, TD was >> > WORLD-REKNOWNED for digitizing and researching their OWN sound effects >> and >> > sound samples. Now, it seems like they just settle for whatever the >> > keyboards will spit out. These keyboards have megabytes of memory to hold >> > ANY sample they so choose. Why don't they do this? The last sampling I've >> > heard of any note was Jerome grabbing a snippet of Darth Vader (Star >> Wars)... >> > >I seem to remember that EF was more into tape looping.... > >Anyway isn't the quality of the music more important than the number of new and/or >original sounds? A peice may be nothing but interesting samples but that doesn't >mean >it'll sound any good (Ambient Monkeys?). I don't know what the purpose of Ambient Monkeys was. I haven't heard it. White Eagle, Logos, Poland, Stratosfear, Force Majeure, Phaedra, Rubycon... etc. etc. those albums were great for SEVERAL reasons. #1 Elegant simplicity in composing. Listen to White Eagle. There are maybe as many notes in the entire CD as there are on one track from Goblin's Club. And yet, it sounds a HELL of a lot better. What I have heard out of TD for the past 10 years or so are 'songs' which fit a short 4-7 minute long theme which is then discarded. TD of the 70's and 80's wasn't about 'songs'... it was about Sequencing. Getting all the layers to be heard on different levels. My major complaint about 90's TD is that there are no 'bad' notes. If you listen to Poland especially, and other CDs, you will be listening to a relatively upbeat/positive part of the CD and then a layer will come in that is out-of-step with what's playing and not even in sync... at first, it may even be a bit annoying... then slowly, it will take over and new positive notes will be added to that and that will become the new theme. #2 Rawness and newness of the sound. TD right now is EASILY confused with other music being piped over the airwaves. It all kind of blends in with the Yanni and Enya to me. Everyone defends Edgar by saying, 'This is just our musical direction now...' I don't think Edgar can continue to use that excuse forever. I don't expect or ask TD to go back to sticks and stones... They can use their present equipment, but he needs to 'remember where he came from and what made TD great.' It's not the equipment. I wonder how TD would have sounded in the early 80's if they had their present keyboards and sequencing gear... Would they have overlooked the 'easy way out' with the built in sounds and gone for the best musical output possible? #3 Excellent sound research. TD was very much involved in the electronic music revolution. They were on the cutting edge of technology and making their flaky equipment do things the designers never intended. Many synth companies got feedback from TD on how to improve their products. What does TD do now? They lay MIDI tracks on top of each other on an airplane. There are tracks from the 90's that approach the compositional robustness of the 70's and 80's tracks, they are just few and far between. Some people don't like Dream Mixes. I personally love it, because to me, it sounds like Jerome learned from Logos and Poland. I don't know if he used those as inspiration, but the TD 'sound' is present in Dream Mixes and tracks from Oasis more than anything else they've produced in the past 10 years or so. >Surely the less time they spend reasearching sounds (which there are many more >people >doing now than there were in the early 80's!) the more time can be devoted to >creating >better album, in terms of compostion, mixing, production etc. I wholeheartedly disagree. TD should have put on the brakes in 1984 like Chris Franke and Johannes Schmoelling wanted and stopped for a year. Instead, Edgar went on a rampage doing more soundtracks between 84-89 than James Horner. The more music you crank out per year, the lower the quality. I could stand ONE release every two years if it meant the music would be fresh and exciting. >I know I'm biased (prefer 90's stuff to 70's/some 80's) but if the music is good >who cares >what was used to create it? I sometimes get the idea that some people on this list >are more >interested in how an album was made than the music it contains. Tangents proves that the old tracks can be rebuilt on present equipment. So it's not the equipment, it's the mindset. Are we trying to create a sequence that will confuse, bewilder and excite the listener and then slowly come to order into an awesome track? >Colin >n.p. Iron Maiden--Powerslave Morgan feldon@p... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The #tadream channel on EFNET (Internet Relay Chat) is always open. I am often away from the computer (my nickname is Optical1) so hang around for an hour or so... you're bound to run into someone. Macintosh people should download iRCLE version 3.0. Win31/95/NT users need mIRC (mirc.stealth.net) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 5:48 pm Subject: Looking For Cat Scan + Others ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Hi all I am looking for the following _promos_: Cat Scan US CD Marakesh US CD Towards The Evening Star US CD Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe German CD Anybody has any of the above to offer, please contact me off list to discuss a price. Greetings Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12182 Re: Looking For Cat Scan + Others Vic Rek Fri 3/20/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 12:49 am Subject: Re: D:Schulze ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Philip Meyer I've just got round to reading this mega-post about Klaus Schulze albums. I recently bought a second-hand Historic Edition set, so I've suddenly become more interested in KS! Your post was a really useful, informative review of his work - thanks. I have bought quite a few albums, but looks like I still have a long way to go! I wondered which order you would put some of the albums that I am missing, so that I know what ones to purchase next. I love electronic music with guitars overlayed, so Dreams and In Blue should be high on the list, I suppose. My favourite KS albums are probably Mirage and Moondawn. I don't like the spam (vocals) or operatic style much. I have all three of the 'Editions' sets now, so I wonder if any of the albums that I haven't got are worth purchasing. Here's the ones that I haven't got that sound interesting: Trancefer X Body Love Audentity Dreams Mediterranean Pads Dome Event In Blue Are You Sequenced Dosburg Online Phil --Phil Meyer-------------------------- phil@h... amarok@c... http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk --------God loves his children, yeah-- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 6:54 pm Subject: RE: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >Tangents proves that the old tracks can be rebuilt on present > equipment. So > >it's not the equipment, it's the mindset. Are we trying to create a > >sequence that will confuse, bewilder and excite the listener and then > >slowly come to order into an awesome track? > > I find myself agreeing with you. It's what you have, it's how you use > it. Howard Stern's motto. > > Scott > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 7:38 pm Subject: Re: D:Schulze ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Majka >I've just got round to reading this mega-post about Klaus Schulze albums. I >recently bought a second-hand Historic Edition set, so I've suddenly become more >interested in KS! Your post was a really useful, informative review of his work >- thanks. > >I have bought quite a few albums, but looks like I still have a long way to go! > > >I wondered which order you would put some of the albums that I am missing, so >that I know what ones to purchase next. I love electronic music with guitars >overlayed, so Dreams and In Blue should be high on the list, I suppose. My >favourite KS albums are probably Mirage and Moondawn. I don't like the spam >(vocals) or operatic style much. > >I have all three of the 'Editions' sets now, so I wonder if any of the albums >that I haven't got are worth purchasing. Here's the ones that I haven't got >that sound interesting: > >Trancefer >X >Body Love >Audentity >Dreams >Mediterranean Pads >Dome Event >In Blue >Are You Sequenced >Dosburg Online Well, 'X' is a really good one. One of the tracks is quite classical, with some very nice strings and a Cello on it. 'Dome Event' is almost completely unstructured and, in my opinion, fairly irritating to listen to, as it is mainly just a collage of sounds without any 'playing' that I remember, although it has been some time since I last listened to it, so I could be wrong. 'Audentity' is experimental and often formless in nature...maybe I just haven't listened to it enough. I didn't really like it all that much. Of the albums you list, I think the best ones are 'X', 'Trancefer' and 'In Blue'. John Majka flossbac@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12190 Re: D:Schulze AOutland Sat 3/21/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 7:54 pm Subject: random thought ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD If you get a million monkeys on a million pianos for a million years, you will never get the entire score of John Cage's 4'33' - PENFOLD mailto:penfold@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 2:55 pm Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' Hi, tadreamers! When you listen to a classic guitar, or a saxophone, do you realize it is a 'preset'? E-music is appreciable by the electronic special effets (e-sfx) you put around the music. What do you think of 'Towards the Evening Star'? The sounds are great, aren't they? Preset? Never mind! Idem with 'Timesquare', 'Summer storm', 'Galley Slave's Horizon', ... etc. Greetings Fred np : Klaus Schulze 'X' ; BTW : I bought this album two days ago and just found out this morning (under the shower) 'X' stands for 10 in Latin, 'cause it's the tenth album solo of KS. Clever, no? The discography in 'En=trance' gave me reason! One thing I do not understand with KS : he says 'I dedicate this album to my precious synthesizers'. What do that mean? PS : the start of one track in 'X' (I think #3) sound like the start of 'Force Majeure'. Does anyone know the name of the synth used? PPG? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12188 Re: Presets feldon@p... Sat 3/21/1998 3 KB 12216 Re: Presets Paul Nagle Sun 3/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 8:24 pm Subject: Re: Cnc-Humor: random thought ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: David Blaettler I dunno, if you don't feed them.... I think you would get it. Dave p.s. sorry for all the people who like monkeys ;) PENFOLD wrote: > If you get a million monkeys on a million pianos for a million years, you > will never get the entire score of John Cage's 4'33' - PENFOLD > mailto:penfold@a... > > ***************************************************************************** > cnc-humor is a geeky humor list, send email to: listmanager@c... > with subscribe cnc-humor (or unsubscribe) in the body of the message to > subscribe (unsubscribe) from this list. > Submit *new* geeky humor items to cnc-humor@c... > ***************************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 8:43 pm Subject: Re: Looking For Cat Scan + Others ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek > Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' > I am looking for the following _promos_: > > Cat Scan US CD Me too, but I also need 'Desert Train' US Promo CD :-) I have some very rare items I can offer for trade. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 10:40 pm Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' > >PS : the start of one track in 'X' (I think #3) sound like the start of >'Force Majeure'. Does anyone know the name of the synth used? PPG? Yep, it sounds the same on track 2/disc1. It's not a specific synth you're hearing, it's a synth-sound (any will do) thru an fx-processor. The fx is a harmonizer/pitch shifter with some sort of feedback. Correct me if I'm wrong :-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: A 'Desert Train' Promo CD?!? Oh no, Lars! ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:43:19 -0500 >Subject: Re: Looking For Cat Scan + Others >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Vic Rek > >> I am looking for the following _promos_: >> Cat Scan US CD > >Me too, but I also need 'Desert Train' US Promo CD :-) Is this for real, or a joke? (I ask this because even though 'Desert Train' is one of my fave TD tracks, a certain guy named Lars likes to tease me that liking it as much as I do demonstrates a lack of discernment or somesuch on my part.) If this is a real item, what is the difference (if any) between this version and the version found on MELROSE? Is it shorter and/or remixed, an edit, a truncation . . . what? -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 11:00 pm Subject: RE: RE: Digital Sister/Nothing Really Matters ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' > 2.) JUNGLE JACULA > Roaring of the Bliss (THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF TANGERINE DREAM) > 5.) PIXEL PIRATES > Dreamtime and Towards the Evening Star > 7.) TIMESQUARE > Loved by the Sun (LEGEND) > Change of the Gods (THE DREAM MIXES) While I hear some similar sound effects in each of these groupings, I don't hear them as being remixes of the songs. 'Pixel Pirates' seems to have the rhythm of 'Lamb w/ Radar Eyes', but that's the only part I can really trace back to another song. 'Timesquare' uses a lot of chord progressions, as does 'Loved', but I don't see any similarities anywhere else. Oh, well, maybe I need to get my hearing checked... - jim 'If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes...' -- Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer) Blade Runner, 1982 ----------------------------------------------------- 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 11:49 pm Subject: LOART CDR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Hey guys, Whatever has happened to the collective cdr of all the different versions of LOART? Did this ever come about? If it has, someone let me know as I have not heard hide nor hair 'bout it sincd a few months ago. PS If you havent gotten Luminous Visions -do do , I love putting it on the surround system while I clean house, best image of sight and sound so far! Chris From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 1:12 am Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gilles Nadeau' Lawry, I agree with You, TD is not the same sound as yesterday, but depends of my feel, I like the new sound. When I want different sounds, I like Klaus Schulze, right now I listen to INTER*FACE the new re - master album from Manikin Rercords. Tomorrow Saturday the 21th I'll bought TD Alpha Centaury/Zeit/Polland the Warsaw Concert Not the extract CD, The intro of that album is GREAT... Hatteras..... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 2:02 am Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 03:55 PM 3/20/98 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' > >Hi, tadreamers! > >When you listen to a classic guitar, or a saxophone, do you realize it is a >'preset'? Oh god.. I was half-expecting this argument. Ok, let's put it this way. TD is playing with $50 guitars right now. They need to beef up the sound quality of the instrumentation, which includes better more analogue sounding samples. Did I make it easy enough to understand? >E-music is appreciable by the electronic special effets (e-sfx) you put >around the music. My point exactly. But not the ethereal twinklings, jungle crap, and techno leftovers that are being thrown in just for shits and giggles... >What do you think of 'Towards the Evening Star'? The sounds are great, >aren't they? Preset? Never mind! Idem with 'Timesquare', 'Summer storm', >'Galley Slave's Horizon', ... etc. Nope, the sound effects and samples aren't really that great. Certainly not as enrapturing as an old frequency generator going through an analogue FX box. >Fred Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 2:37 am Subject: Re: D:Ambient Monkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' >At first, I didn't know what to make of this album. It is very strange. The >obvious >snag with this release is the lack of cue points. Not really a problem for >me, >because I always listen to the whole cd, in order...(I'm not a 'skip this >track - >shuffle these tracks' sort of guy), but it can be a bit of a pain in the >arse >occasionally. Yes, I agree with all of the above. I don't really consider this a regular TD release, but I think it's unique and fills that strange mood you may be in. A little techno, ambient, classical, electronic, jungle/train sounds and then you have a potpourri of a release that can satisfy just as much as irritate. This would not be a CD I would say 'Hey, I'll play Ambient Monkeys when I get home tonite', but then I may just stumble on to it and drift off into a deep sleep... Vic NP: Ambient Monkeys - Lemon Vendor Khaly (but I can't identify it either - sounds like off a piece of Rockoon or maybe a late 80's soundtrack). From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 3:05 am Subject: Re: D:Schulze ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-03-20 14:41:19 EST, you write:John << 'Dome Event' is almost completely unstructured and, in my opinion, fairly irritating to listen to, >> Agreed except for a piece in the middle which is frantically excellent. You can get this piece (and several other samples of KS music) on The Essential: 72-93. IMO this is all you need of KS music. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 7:16 am Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > >What do you think of 'Towards the Evening Star'? The sounds are great, > >aren't they? Preset? Never mind! Idem with 'Timesquare', 'Summer storm', > >'Galley Slave's Horizon', ... etc. > > Nope, the sound effects and samples aren't really that great. Certainly not > as enrapturing as an old frequency generator going through an analogue FX box. > > >Fred > > Morgan > feldon@p... First, after listening to a number of modern day E-music CDs, I know that the quailty of sound (noise, pureness of sound) is not totally there in TD's current releases. The problem I see is that when the tracks become so complex as to have guitars, vocals, symphonies, and real percussion, (a VERY good example is 'At Darwin's Motel'), the sound becomes muddled, and hard to listen to. 'Oasis' is a wonderful album, but even there, you can tell that to an extent, it's been done on a sound stage, the samples have that cold, concrete echo sound. So what can this be blamed upon? Well maybe since it's all fed into computers, it could depend upon the hardware of the computers they use. If it's some crumby built in 16-bit soundcard--well that's a disgrace. I don't think it's that bad, but again, I think during the mixing process, and the sampleing process, some quaility is lost. For pureness of sound, I like to listen to 'Logos', 'Tangram', 'Underwater Sunlight', 'Melrose', 'White Eagle', and 'The Dream Mixes.' Do you think it could possibly due to Edgar's ears not being what they used to be? I think Jerome's work is more aurally perfect. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 1:38 pm Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' >>PS : the start of one track in 'X' (I think #3) sound like the start of >>'Force Majeure'. Does anyone know the name of the synth used? PPG? > > >Yep, it sounds the same on track 2/disc1. >It's not a specific synth you're hearing, it's a synth-sound (any will do) >thru >an fx-processor. The fx is a harmonizer/pitch shifter with some sort of >feedback. >Correct me if I'm wrong :-) > >Marcel >Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels >Email :fsp@w... > Alright, I see! I can do it with my SPX-90! Thanx for the tip, well done ;-)) Fred np : 'Rumpelstiltskin' in the latest Andy Summers album... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 1:40 pm Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' > > I agree with You, TD is not the same sound as yesterday, but depends of my >feel, I like the new sound. When I want different sounds, I like Klaus >Schulze, right now I listen to INTER*FACE the new re - master album from >Manikin Rercords. > Could you please tell us what about this new re-master? Brings something new? 20-bit remaster? Thanx in advance and greetings to all Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 1:46 pm Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' The important thing is : someone like me - and I know by reading the mail that I'm not the only one - take pleasure (great pleasure) hearing to many many tracks from TD - any period, not only this one color from Schmoelling period. If I tell you, Morgan, that I listened to 'Electronic Meditation' & 'Alpha centauri' a few days ago, and that I took much more pleasure than usually... you'll think I got completly mad!? no? Fred >>When you listen to a classic guitar, or a saxophone, do you realize it is a >>'preset'? > >Oh god.. I was half-expecting this argument. Ok, let's put it this way. TD >is playing with $50 guitars right now. They need to beef up the sound >quality of the instrumentation, which includes better more analogue >sounding samples. Did I make it easy enough to understand? > >>E-music is appreciable by the electronic special effets (e-sfx) you put >>around the music. > >My point exactly. But not the ethereal twinklings, jungle crap, and techno >leftovers that are being thrown in just for shits and giggles... > >>What do you think of 'Towards the Evening Star'? The sounds are great, >>aren't they? Preset? Never mind! Idem with 'Timesquare', 'Summer storm', >>'Galley Slave's Horizon', ... etc. > >Nope, the sound effects and samples aren't really that great. Certainly not >as enrapturing as an old frequency generator going through an analogue FX box. > >>Fred > >Morgan >feldon@p... > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12212 Re: Presets feldon@p... Sun 3/22/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 1:49 pm Subject: Lineup wanted ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' Hello again! I would like to know the location and the lineup of the 'Garten of Pharaos' album. Bristol : in the US? like said in the picture disc? or in UK? because the Calston Hall (or something like that) exists in Bristol, UK (searched on the net). CF must have left then... who replaced? Jerome was he present? Thanx for any info! Fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12197 Re: Lineup wanted Dennis Nigbur Sat 3/21/1998 3 KB 12203 Re: Lineup wanted Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 3/21/1998 3 KB 12228 Re: Lineup wanted Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Mon 3/23/1998 4 KB 12240 Re: Lineup wanted Dave Brewer Mon 3/23/1998 3 KB 12204 Re: Lineup wanted Vic Rek Sun 3/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 1:56 pm Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' >First, after listening to a number of modern day E-music CDs, >I know that the quailty of sound (noise, pureness of sound) is not >totally there in TD's current releases. The problem I see is that >when the tracks become so complex as to have guitars, vocals, >symphonies, and real percussion, (a VERY good example is >'At Darwin's Motel'), the sound becomes muddled, and hard >to listen to. > 'Oasis' is a wonderful album, but even there, you can >tell that to an extent, it's been done on a sound stage, the >samples have that cold, concrete echo sound. > So what can this be blamed upon? Well maybe since >it's all fed into computers, it could depend upon the hardware >of the computers they use. If it's some crumby built in 16-bit >soundcard--well that's a disgrace. I don't think it's that bad, but >again, I think during the mixing process, and the sampleing >process, some quaility is lost. > For pureness of sound, I like to listen to 'Logos', >'Tangram', 'Underwater Sunlight', 'Melrose', 'White >Eagle', and 'The Dream Mixes.' > Do you think it could possibly due to Edgar's ears not >being what they used to be? I think Jerome's work is more >aurally perfect. > >Greg H. OK, and you'll remark that 'Logos, blue part' in the 'Tangent' box has some distortion, as often with TD/EF releases... but that's another point (the quality) which has not to be with the originality of compositions and/or SFX and/or sounds (preset or not). Aren't we fond of bootlegs, the sound of which is not always perfect (euphemistic!)? Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 6:49 pm Subject: Re: Lineup wanted ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:49:45 +0100 tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' > > > Hello again! > > I would like to know the location and the lineup of the 'Garten of Pharaos' > album. > > Bristol : in the US? like said in the picture disc? or in UK? because the > Calston Hall (or something like that) exists in Bristol, UK (searched on the > net). > > CF must have left then... who replaced? Jerome was he present? > > Thanx for any info! > > Fred The concert was in Bristol, UK. Jerome was probably present, as he joined the group for 'Melrose', some of the tracks from which were played at that concert. I don't know about the rest. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 6:59 pm Subject: Re: Asimov Concept ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:42:01 -0500 (EST) tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > > > > > > I see TD more in the sword-and-sorcery vein : grand, mysterious, magical. > > > Clearly, they have visited this ground with Legend. I think their (old) > > > sweeping symphonic style maps more clearly onto my visualisation of the themes > > > for S&S than onto SF. > > > > Have you read Asimov's Extended Foundation Cycle (an epic > > comprising ca. 15 novels)?? Sounds grand and mysterious > > enough for a TD soundtrack, in my opinion. I agree that > > Kraftwerk would fit in well with the short stories, but > > Asimov goes far beyond those. > > > > Dennis > > > > I've managed to track down all but the Empire novels. > > I just figure, if Mike Oldfield could make an Arthur C. Clarke concept > album work, why not TD and Asimov? > > Gabe Good idea. That might be an opportunity for them to get spacey once again. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 7:02 pm Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:49:33 -0800 tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > > Really-From: feldon@p... > > > > >Really-From: Colin Knowles > >> > > >Just what do you mean by presets? Standard bass > > >paterns? Standard sounds or what? > > > > > >Surely if your going to use a wood block as a > > >rythum (?) line there is only one sound > > > to use...No? > > > > TD is using the built-in sound samples of all the keyboards they have and > > it sounds like a drummer using a $150 drumset. Before 1985, TD was > > WORLD-REKNOWNED for digitizing and researching their OWN sound effects > and > > sound samples. Now, it seems like they just settle for whatever the > > keyboards will spit out. These keyboards have megabytes of memory to hold > > ANY sample they so choose. Why don't they do this? The last sampling I've > > heard of any note was Jerome grabbing a snippet of Darth Vader (Star > Wars)... > > In fact, wasn't Mssr. Franke the chief Mad Scientist of Sound Synthesis & > Generation of Projekt: Tang? About the time he left (mid 80s) is pretty > much when TD's palette began to sound more and more as though made up of > *stock* sounds. > > E As far as I know, Chris, Johannes, and Peter were the people involved in sound synthesis. Edgar never seemed to be equally into it. That might come with being a guitar player, although the guitarists on the list will probably disagree with me on that one. I agree about the period you pinpoint for the decline in original sounds. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 9:00 pm Subject: Pre-sets and Redshifts 'Ether' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'ashok prema' It does seem to me that the 'presets again' camp are usually musicians who know the patches as being from specific synths - but do non-musicians feel the same way?? I imagine they're not bothered if the DX7 'log drums' or whatever is repeated on various albums - if in fact they even notice..........the other point is - nobody complains that a pianist uses the same sound throughout not just one concert - but concert after concert! or that orchestras use the same sounds time and time again ie real violins and the rest - so why he complaint that TD are using presets - surely they are merely using the technology of the day as Chopin and Bach did in theirs..........back in the mid 70's and early 80's - their simply was not the dearth of sounds available - so TD were forced to be more creative in their sounds - and in any case - to most ears a Moog modular sounds just like.........well a Moog modular time and time again - How many sounds on say 'Stratosfear' sound so uniquely different to the untrained ear that they stand out?? - Seems to me, that the sound of that album is much like the sound on 'Ricochet' and 'Encore' Oh Yeh.......Ether is now officially available!!!! A couple of you have pre-paid for their copy - .........err....can they contact me off-line so that I can ship their order? I've lost the snail mail addresses .........SORRY!!! Anybody who can't get a copy through the usual outlets or don't wish to wait that long can get copies from me direct.......please e-mail me off-line.......US price inc postage etc will be $20 - payable best by ash - otherwise bank charges will be incurred unless your bank is represented in the UK. You might like to take the opportunity to also order my cd 'Stranger in a Strange Land' or/and Paul Lawlers 'Year Zero' at the same time ........add an extra $15 per disc. Ash Prema Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12202 Re: Pre-sets and Redshifts 'Ether' Gabe Yedid Sat 3/21/1998 5 KB 12217 Re: Pre-sets and Redshifts 'Ether' Paul Nagle Sun 3/22/1998 3 KB 12227 Re: Pre-sets and Redshifts 'Ether' Colin Knowles Mon 3/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 10:03 pm Subject: Re: tape tree 1, call for participation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Just this guy who is pretty cool...' uhhh.. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 10:31 pm Subject: Re: Pre-sets and Redshifts 'Ether' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'ashok prema' > > It does seem to me that the 'presets again' camp are usually musicians who > know the patches as being from specific synths - but do non-musicians feel > the same way?? I imagine they're not bothered if the DX7 'log drums' or > whatever is repeated on various albums - if in fact they even > notice..........the other point is - nobody complains that a pianist uses > the same sound throughout not just one concert - but concert after concert! > or that orchestras use the same sounds time and time again ie real violins > and the rest - so why he complaint that TD are using presets - surely they > are merely using the technology of the day as Chopin and Bach did in > theirs..........back in the mid 70's and early 80's - their simply was not > the dearth of sounds available - so TD were forced to be more creative in uh, don't you mean 'glut' here? 'Dearth' is a scarcity. > their sounds - and in any case - to most ears a Moog modular sounds just > like.........well a Moog modular time and time again - How many sounds on > say 'Stratosfear' sound so uniquely different to the untrained ear that > they stand out?? - Seems to me, that the sound of that album is much like > the sound on 'Ricochet' and 'Encore' Well, that's the problem Ash. If the box HAS sound synthesis capability, why not use it, rather than the preset sounds? Why not use the technology for what it was intended, instead of a 150-200 year-old approach? Granted, I know there ARE certain instruments around that really are just sample boxes, but I mean, in the case of the Morpheus--has TD ever REALLY USED a Morpheus, I know they have one--why stick with whatever sounds the thing has built in, when it is an instrument that offers so much potential? On the other hand, all of these new 'virtual analog' synths that have come out over the past 2 years come pre-loaded with loads patches that sound...pretty much like wht you would expect out of analog synthesizers. Granted, they offer the sound creation *flexibility* of their ancestors, combined with the enhanced capabilities of modern equipment, and full MIDI compatibility, but what is it that most people want them for? To sound just like stuff from bloody 20-25 years ago don't they? DON'T THEY??? I simply don't understand what this continued loathing of 'modern, digital' sounds is founded on. Gabe > Ash Prema Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 11:31 pm Subject: Re: Lineup wanted ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 02:49 PM 3/21/1998 +0100, Fred wrote: > >I would like to know the location and the lineup of the 'Garten of Pharaos' >album. > >Bristol : in the US? like said in the picture disc? or in UK? because the >Calston Hall (or something like that) exists in Bristol, UK (searched on the >net). > >CF must have left then... who replaced? Jerome was he present? Bristol, UK, 11 Nov. 1990 Line-up: E. Froese, J. Froese, Haslinger, Spa. (from 'Mysterious Semblance' by Scott Plumer) Stuff made, according to THE source: 06.11.90 Bristol (Part I) 'Bicycle Race' 46' LP 06.11.90 Bristol (Part II) 'In den Gaerten Pharaos' 75' CD 06.11.90 Bristol Part I 'Singet, denn der Gesang..' PICTURE DISK 48' LP 'In den Gaerten Pharaos/Bicycle Race' CP 091381-2 TD 97 369 56-2 AT I. IN DEN GAERTEN PHARAOS 1. Chor de Sterne 2. Schattentanz 3. Erstes Morgenrot 4. Karawane am Meer 5. Treibsand 6. Erscheinung 7. Im Tal der Pharaonen 8. Die Sonne verduestert sich allmaehlich II. BICYCLE RACE 9. Sequence I 10. Sequence II 11. Sequence III 12. Sequence IV Total time: 74'45' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12228 Re: Lineup wanted Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Mon 3/23/1998 4 KB 12240 Re: Lineup wanted Dave Brewer Mon 3/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 22, 1998 1:10 am Subject: Re: Lineup wanted ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >Stuff made, according to THE source: > >06.11.90 Bristol (Part I) 'Bicycle Race' > 46' LP >06.11.90 Bristol (Part II) 'In den Gaerten Pharaos' > 75' CD >06.11.90 Bristol Part I 'Singet, denn der Gesang..' PICTURE DISK 48' LP > >'In den Gaerten Pharaos/Bicycle Race' CP 091381-2 TD 97 369 56-2 AT Talk about overkill... There are plenty more shows where such attention should be diverted to. By the way, the Bicycle Race LP comes in at least 3-4 different coloured vinyls. I have the purple vinyl with green glow-in-the-dark dots ;-) Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 22, 1998 2:55 am Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gilles Nadeau' ---------- > > > > > I agree with You, TD is not the same sound as yesterday, but depends of my > >feel, I like the new sound. When I want different sounds, I like Klaus > >Schulze, right now I listen to INTER*FACE the new re - master album from > >Manikin Rercords. > > > Could you please tell us what about this new re-master? Brings something > new? 20-bit remaster? > > Thanx in advance and greetings to all > > Fred > > Fred! I checked in the web site's of Manikin Records and Klaus Schulze 's site and I didn't find if this re-release is 20-bit. But let me say when i heard this album with my Quad-Kef it's sound GREAT. It's been a long time i heard this album and I can say to You, it's a great album. At this time I listen to the re-release of LIVE on CD from Manikin. The peace now playing is the last one on cd 2 with Arthur Brown - voice... For this release, they pick the total time for SENSE ==51:00M. INSTEAD OF 31m in the album.This album is a good feeling about KS 80's sound before the great AUDENTITY. >>>Hatteras in Quebec From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 22, 1998 9:11 am Subject: TD Concert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA I just got my CDR of the Ventura show, November 1, 1992. Thanks Vic. Seems I've been listening to it already as 220 Volt. Wish I hadn't fallen asleep at the show. It had been a really long week. My unconscious mind was definetely listening though. Must be why I like 220 Volt so much. Now on to Electronic Orgy. I will provide a complete critique tomorrow, because i know how my opinions mean so much to you all...David n.p. TD...Ventura..Disc 2 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 22, 1998 2:36 pm Subject: Steven is right about the Keep 1986 (?) LP!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur I'd never have thought I'd ever write a message about KEEP technicalities... I met a bloke who said he'd heard of TD, although he wasn't majorly into it. When I asked him if he had any of their albums, he said that the ones he had were Firestarter and... The Keep! For some reason, I didn't think much about it then (probably assuming that it was the TDI version he had), and told him about the discussions going on on this list about whether there was a release of the soundtrack when the film came out, or whether it remained unreleased. Well, he didn't comment then, but when I bumped into him again in the pub last night, he told me it was in fact the 1986 (or whatever) LP that he had...he'd got it at the car boot sale for three pounds...and a few weeks ago, when he was in dire need of money, he'd advertised it on the internet and sold it for Ģ300! He said he'd tried to get in touch with me about whether I wanted it and how much I'd pay for it, but he didn't know where to find me... how annoying. Bottom line is, then, that the LP does exist, and that a few copies seem to be floating around. I only wish I'd been able to lay my hands on that one... Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 22, 1998 5:36 pm Subject: TD tape or CDR trades? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Majka Hi, I'm wondering if anyone on the list is interested in trading TD tapes (or in this age, CDRs). I have about 5 or 6 TD tapes, but I have about 300 tapes by other bands. I would be interested in tracking down some good soundboard or radio appearance tapes of the band. Is this stuff out there? John Majka flossbac@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12210 Re: TD tape or CDR trades? DAVENTURA Sun 3/22/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 22, 1998 7:14 pm Subject: Re: Steven is right about the Keep 1986 (?) LP!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DJS > Bottom line is, then, that the LP does exist, and that a > few copies seem to be floating around. I only wish I'd been > able to lay my hands on that one... > > Dennis Yeah...I had ET come down from his planet to visit me a few years ago. I wished I'd taken some pictures of him...now no one will believe he actually came to visit me. Damn! Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 22, 1998 6:45 pm Subject: Re: TD tape or CDR trades? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA In a message dated 98-03-22 12:39:05 EST, you write: << Really-From: John Majka I have about 5 or 6 TD tapes>> Time to catch up, buddy. We're not waiting for ya... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 22, 1998 6:52 pm Subject: Now Playing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA Just picked up Christopher Franke's Enchanting Nature. Thanks Vic. Damn, what a rip off. Glad I didn't buy it. It is almost completely Pacific Coast Highway, with different titles. OK, spent all night listening to EO. Can't really see what all the hoopla is about. I better listen to it again....David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12215 Re: Now Playing feldon@p... Sun 3/22/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Mar 21, 1998 10:49 pm Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 02:46 PM 3/21/98 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' > >The important thing is : someone like me - and I know by reading the mail >that I'm not the only one - take pleasure (great pleasure) hearing to many >many tracks from TD - any period, not only this one color from Schmoelling >period. I love Phaedra, Rubycon, bits of Live! Improvised! (1975 Rheims Cathedral live concert), Stratosfear, Force Majeure, Encore, and even Bent Cold Sidewalk from Cyclone, all pre-Schmoelling. I love Dream Mixes, bits of Oasis (Waterbourne, Flashflood), 220 Volt Live, Livemiles, and the Miracle Mile soundtrack, all post-Schmoelling. >If I tell you, Morgan, that I listened to 'Electronic Meditation' & 'Alpha >centauri' a few days ago, and that I took much more pleasure than usually... >you'll think I got completly mad!? no? Nope. I like 1973-1986 TD the most. And I have listened to Electronic Medititation. TD's roots are found in that LP... they're just hard to find. =) Same with Alpha Centauri, Zeit, and Green Desert. They take a lot of listening. Actually, Tangram took me quite a few listens. Listening to Quichoette was quite interesting. Pity that concert hasn't appeared yet as a 2CD =) Electronic Orgy II perhaps? =) >>>What do you think of 'Towards the Evening Star'? The sounds are great, >>>aren't they? Preset? Never mind! Idem with 'Timesquare', 'Summer storm', >>>'Galley Slave's Horizon', ... etc. >> >>Nope, the sound effects and samples aren't really that great. Certainly not >>as enrapturing as an old frequency generator going through an analogue FX >box. >> >>>Fred >> >>Morgan >>feldon@p... >> > Fred Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 22, 1998 8:58 pm Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' So, at first sight, we think different But these mails proove we hear quite the same... Dream On, everybody! Fred >>The important thing is : someone like me - and I know by reading the mail >>that I'm not the only one - take pleasure (great pleasure) hearing to many >>many tracks from TD - any period, not only this one color from Schmoelling >>period. > >I love Phaedra, Rubycon, bits of Live! Improvised! (1975 Rheims Cathedral >live concert), Stratosfear, Force Majeure, Encore, and even Bent Cold >Sidewalk from Cyclone, all pre-Schmoelling. > >I love Dream Mixes, bits of Oasis (Waterbourne, Flashflood), 220 Volt Live, >Livemiles, and the Miracle Mile soundtrack, all post-Schmoelling. > >>If I tell you, Morgan, that I listened to 'Electronic Meditation' & 'Alpha >>centauri' a few days ago, and that I took much more pleasure than usually... >>you'll think I got completly mad!? no? > >Nope. I like 1973-1986 TD the most. And I have listened to Electronic >Medititation. TD's roots are found in that LP... they're just hard to find. >=) Same with Alpha Centauri, Zeit, and Green Desert. > >They take a lot of listening. Actually, Tangram took me quite a few >listens. Listening to Quichoette was quite interesting. Pity that concert >hasn't appeared yet as a 2CD =) Electronic Orgy II perhaps? =) > >>>>What do you think of 'Towards the Evening Star'? The sounds are great, >>>>aren't they? Preset? Never mind! Idem with 'Timesquare', 'Summer storm', >>>>'Galley Slave's Horizon', ... etc. >>> >>>Nope, the sound effects and samples aren't really that great. Certainly not >>>as enrapturing as an old frequency generator going through an analogue FX >>box. >>> >>>>Fred >>> >>>Morgan >>>feldon@p... >>> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 22, 1998 11:39 am Subject: pre-sets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'ashok prema' Gabe wrote: > the dearth of sounds available - so TD were forced to be more creative in uh, don't you mean 'glut' here? 'Dearth' is a scarcity. > their sounds - and in any case - to most ears a Yeh!! you're right......'glut' is the word ! Moog modular sounds just > like.........well a Moog modular time and time again - How many sounds on > say 'Stratosfear' sound so uniquely different to the untrained ear that > they stand out?? - Seems to me, that the sound of that album is much like > the sound on 'Ricochet' and 'Encore' Well, that's the problem Ash. If the box HAS sound synthesis capability, why not use it, rather than the preset sounds? Why not use the technology for what it was intended, instead of a 150-200 year-old approach? I accept that - but it's as valid to use the pre-sets - the old Moogs for example, needed the sound to be created before you could proceeed to use t - but the PPG's had pre-sets - and some of the pre-sets were great - indeed common throughout the TD albums of the day - why the need to change the sound if you as the composer like it?? I must add I am very guilty of this - preferring to have a module with millions of sounds so I can go through it and choose the ones I want - I can't be bothered faffing around with designing my own!! >Granted, I know there ARE certain instruments >On the other hand, all of these new 'virtual analog' >synths that have >come out over the past 2 years come pre-loaded >with loads patches that >sound...pretty much like wht you would expect out of >analog synthesizers. >Granted, they offer the sound creation *flexibility* of >their ancestors, >combined with the enhanced capabilities of modern >equipment, and full >MIDI compatibility, but what is it that most people >want them for? To >sound just like stuff from bloody 20-25 years ago >don't they? DON'T THEY??? Isn't that the truth!!......get a new keyboard and the reviews say 'Great!! sounds just like the Jupiter 8'....... >I simply don't understand what this continued >loathing of 'modern, digital' >sounds is founded on. >Gabe Me too!.....I like the clarity of the sounds - 'Le Parc' was great because the whole album seems 'cleaner' than the earlier stuff - although best when interspersed with the warmth of the analogues. Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12219 Re: pre-sets Gabe Yedid Mon 3/23/1998 5 KB 12233 Re: pre-sets feldon@p... Mon 3/23/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 22, 1998 11:02 pm Subject: Re: Now Playing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 01:52 PM 3/22/98 EST, you wrote: >Really-From: DAVENTURA > > >Just picked up Christopher Franke's Enchanting Nature. Thanks Vic. Damn, what >a rip off. Glad I didn't buy it. It is almost completely Pacific Coast >Highway, with different titles. OK, spent all night listening to EO. Can't >really see what all the hoopla is about. I better listen to it again....David I guess you already had all this stuff, Dave. Hrmm, I love it. EO is rarities galore. Can't wait for Electronic Orgy 2... Disc 1: Excerpts from Live! Improvised! (disc 1) 12:** Excerpts from Live! Improvised! (disc 2) 18:** Pergamon (unreleased tracks) **:** unknown how much there is of this... Pergamon Encore 13:52 Disc 2: Logostypes-Unreleased Tracks **:** The Keep, The Soldier, and 2 unreleased tracks. Choronzon-Exit (Extended Logostypes version) 6:** Mojave Plan (Extended Logostypes version) 1*:** Midnight in Tula (Encore #2 from Logos concert) 3:42 'The Keep' Long Ending *:** Livemiles (unreleased/remixed) Disc 3: Livemiles (unreleased/remixed) Harrogate 1986 unreleased 3:21 Stratosfear 1986 6:41 Harrogate 1986 unreleased 14:53 Paul Haslinger Piano Solo -sorta like Ricochet pt 2 4:02 Mozart Solo into Rarebird 5:44 Bois De Bologne 5:42 Unreleased Toronto 6/21/86 5:50 Vermillion Sands w/ Guitar Solo 10:52 Help me out on disc 4 guys, and/or make suggestions on the others... I was going to excerpt Quinoa but that would get Edgar really really interested in shutting the project down... Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 5:59 am Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:55:52 +0100, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >PS : the start of one track in 'X' (I think #3) sound like the start of >'Force Majeure'. Does anyone know the name of the synth used? PPG? Cello? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 5:59 am Subject: Re: Pre-sets and Redshifts 'Ether' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Paul Nagle On Sat, 21 Mar 1998 21:00:38 -0000, tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) wrote: >notice..........the other point is - nobody complains that a pianist uses >the same sound throughout not just one concert - but concert after concert! A pianist by definition plays a piano - an unchanging sound. A synthesist plays a synthesizer. ;-) Paul (Hey Ash - shame you weren't at AC - you missed the best Electronic Music concert I personally have ever seen. ARC were simply SUPERB. Everyone should buy the album now and hear what living, breathing synthesizer players can really do.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ www.softroom.demon.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Redshift's ETHER, Ash's STRANGER..., Lawler's YEAR ZERO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 21:00:38 -0000 >Subject Re: Pre-sets and Redshifts 'Ether' >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: ashok prema > >Oh Yeh.......Ether is now officially available!!!! Yay! :) >[. . .] .......US price inc postage etc will be $20 -- payable best by >cash -- otherwise bank charges will be incurred unless your bank is >represented in the UK. What do you mean by 'bank charges will be incurred'? I have a few bank accounts (I don't have much money, just different accounts because some accounts have better/differetn features than others), and one of them -- Bank of Boston -- I believe is connected to British interests. Maybe I could go that route in ordering. Will there be a surcharge, or how does it work? I've done credit card business overseas with British companies four times, now, without a problem (two orders from VoicePrint and two from The Cinema Store). >You might like to take the opportunity to also order my cd 'Stranger in >a Strange Land' or/and Paul Lawlers 'Year Zero' at the same time >........add an extra $15 per disc. Can anybody give a capsule description or review of Ash's album, here? (And if anyone has something overly critical to say about it, private e-mail would probably be a better idea.) Also, who is Paul Lawler? -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 3:25 am Subject: Re: pre-sets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sun, 22 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'ashok prema' > Gabe wrote: > > Well, that's the problem Ash. If the box HAS sound synthesis capability, > why not use it, rather than the preset sounds? Why not use the > technology for what it was intended, instead of a 150-200 year-old approach? > > I accept that - but it's as valid to use the pre-sets - the old Moogs for > example, needed the sound to be created before you could proceeed to use > t - but the PPG's had pre-sets - and some of the pre-sets were great - > indeed common throughout the TD albums of the day - why the need to change > the sound if you as the composer like it?? Well, this is true. If the sound fits the composer's purposes--indeed, if he actually really likes it, and it's exactly what he wants--then by all means, he should use it. _Beyond The Storm_ is chock full of uses of presets, yet ones which are completely appropriate to (what I see as) the Froeseian 'idiom'. However, this still doesn't change the fact that you are still using the synth as little more than a glorified electronic organ with bazillions of 'stops'. (and even most good organs have some kind of sound modulation capability, even if it's just a tremolo) > I must add I am very guilty of this - preferring to have a module with > millions of sounds so I can go through it and choose the ones I want - I > can't be bothered faffing around with designing my own!! Mmm, that's a bit of a risky admission Ash ;) > >Granted, they offer the sound creation *flexibility* of >their ancestors, > >combined with the enhanced capabilities of modern >equipment, and full > >MIDI compatibility, but what is it that most people >want them for? To > >sound just like stuff from bloody 20-25 years ago >don't they? DON'T > THEY??? > > Isn't that the truth!!......get a new keyboard and the reviews say 'Great!! > sounds just like the Jupiter 8'....... Well, it's a buyer's market, not at all helped by the fact that so many artists actually WANT to stick to that old sound. It's why I keep saying all the innovation has gone out of e-music. > >I simply don't understand what this continued >loathing of 'modern, > digital' > >sounds is founded on. > >Gabe > > Me too!.....I like the clarity of the sounds - 'Le Parc' was great because > the whole album seems 'cleaner' than the earlier stuff - although best when > interspersed with the warmth of the analogues. Well, up to a point I guess. It's not just the method of sound generation of the synths, it's also the production. Yes, _Le Parc_'s cleanliness and balance between old and new sounds was great. However, _Optical Race_ is, IMO, the apotheosis of the overly clean, crisp digital sound and production. Contrast this with _Lily_ and _Melrose_ which use virtually the same synth equipment but sound much warmer and more natural. > > Ash Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12233 Re: pre-sets feldon@p... Mon 3/23/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 2:55 pm Subject: Re: Electric Orgy and similar CDs Hallo, I am fresh here, so I ask all of the people of good will for help. My name is Marek, I am 31 years old, a doctor, and I listen to TD since 1980. Does anyone know where to get 'Electronic Orgy' 4-CD set? Maybe anyone has spare other TD live CDs to sell? If You're willing, You can E-mail me: markmast@kki.net.pl. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12222 Re: Electric Orgy and similar CDs Jens Peschke Mon 3/23/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 8:21 am Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > Really-From: 'ashok prema' > > > I must add I am very guilty of this - preferring to have a module with > > millions of sounds so I can go through it and choose the ones I want - I > > can't be bothered faffing around with designing my own!! > > Mmm, that's a bit of a risky admission Ash ;) Well, I'm sure the man has a day job as well as a label to maintain whilst also pursuing his musical exploits. Factors like that are time-limiting, and sound-sculpting is a delicate process. I'd like to know what percentage of Marcel Engels,' a.k.a. Free System Projekt, sounds are programmed and what percentage are stock. Impulse and Substance have a lot of nice, warm sounds on 'em. By the way, Marcel, haha, I haven't heard a peep out of you regarding our cannon-blast sample :-) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 8:31 am Subject: Re: Electric Orgy and similar CDs Marek introduced himself. Welcome Marek, where do you live in Poland ? I´m living close to Hanover/Germany. Ask listmember Dano rakinik@gte.net (off-list please), I got my EO copy from him. He offers a good service. Dunno if he has copies left, though. Cheers Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 10:12 am Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > >I'd like to know what percentage of Marcel Engels,' a.k.a. Free System >Projekt, sounds are programmed and what percentage are stock. Impulse and >Substance have a lot of nice, warm sounds on 'em. hmm, I'd say it's about 75/80 % programmed sounds and the other 25% were 'preset' who were manipulated in some way (filter, thru fx-box etc). I think its very important to have an own sound. Isn't it that we like TD because of the moog-seq and mellotrons and let's Kitaro for his moog lead-line and Vangelis because of his CS80 strings and 'romantic' lead-lines. But if you find a preset thats good and it fits in your music, by all means use it. >By the way, Marcel, haha, I haven't heard a peep out of you regarding our >cannon-blast sample :-) I have a whole week to listen to the stuff (incl. goldtri cd) I bought on the ac-fest, because I don't have to go to work this week (ahhh!) So I will post a short review of what I think of the cd. But the cannon-blast is very noticable, Elias :-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... (will post this also on Goldtri-list) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 11:12 am Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > >What do you think of 'Towards the Evening Star'? The sounds are great, > > >aren't they? Preset? Never mind! Idem with 'Timesquare', 'Summer storm', > > >'Galley Slave's Horizon', ... etc. > > > > Nope, the sound effects and samples aren't really that great. Certainly > not > > as enrapturing as an old frequency generator going through an analogue FX > box. > Oh well, another person of my christmas card list! :-) > > > > >Fred > > > > Morgan > > feldon@p... > > totally there in TD's current releases. The problem I see is that > when the tracks become so complex as to have guitars, vocals, > symphonies, and real percussion, (a VERY good example is > 'At Darwin's Motel'), the sound becomes muddled, and hard > to listen to. > True it can..but that might have something to do with your system! > 'Oasis' is a wonderful album, but even there, you can > Eeerrrgghhh!!!!!! > tell that to an extent, it's been done on a sound stage, the > samples have that cold, concrete echo sound. Cold, concrete sound says it all. Precisely what I don't like about some early TD stuff..Cold, concrete, sterile, with about as much feeling as a plate of cold pasta! That's what I like about the 90's stuff! It has (for the most part) more energy and life then the old stuff! Don't get me wrong I *do* like some of the old stuff, Green Desert (save for the title track!), Exit, White Eagle etc, its just that its slow and tedious when compared with Tryanny and GC. > So what can this be blamed upon? Well maybe since > it's all fed into computers, it could depend upon the hardware > of the computers they use. If it's some crumby built in 16-bit > soundcard--well that's a disgrace. I don't think it's that bad, but > I think you've misunderstood the process! If they're using samples of live instrumentsthen the sound card or whatever A-D process they're using will play a part. If its a sample they've made up themselves from whatever sounds the software provides then the sound card doesn't come into it. It is more then possible to write/edit/record and press the CD with out going any where near a sound card! I don't think they're hardware's at fault! > 'Tangram', 'Underwater Sunlight', 'Melrose', 'White > Eagle', and 'The Dream Mixes.' > But surely DM uses just as many (if not more!) presets than the album (GC) you've just written off! > Do you think it could possibly due to Edgar's ears not > being what they used to be? I think Jerome's work is more > aurally perfect. Which is strange because if you check the GC sleeve notes you'll find that 'At Darwins Motel' is an JF song! Also since JF also does the mixing for the albums I don't see your point. Colin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 10:56 am Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >Tangents proves that the old tracks can be rebuilt on present > > equipment. So > > >it's not the equipment, it's the mindset. Are we trying to create a > > >sequence that will confuse, bewilder and excite the listener and then > > >slowly come to order into an awesome track? > > > > I find myself agreeing with you. It's what you have, it's how you use > > it. Howard Stern's motto. > > > > Scott > > Surely then from this argument you could say that presets are OK if used correctly? You just don't think TD are? Colin n.p. Kevin Ayres--Misc. collection From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 11:24 am Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: feldon@p... > > > I wholeheartedly disagree. TD should have put on the brakes in 1984 like > Chris Franke and Johannes Schmoelling wanted and stopped for a year. > Instead, Edgar went on a rampage doing more soundtracks between 84-89 than > James Horner. The more music you crank out per year, the lower the quality. > I could stand ONE release every two years if it meant the music would be > fresh and exciting. Agree wholeheartedly! Can't stand the majority of soundtracks so I wouldn't mourn if TD never did another one..ever! But the thing is..if you're looking for a particualar sound for a particular peice, and that sound already exists, then why bother creating a new one? The time could be spent a lot better on the album as a whole. Colin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12236 Re: Presets feldon@p... Mon 3/23/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 11:27 am Subject: Re: Pre-sets and Redshifts 'Ether' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: 'ashok prema' > > It does seem to me that the 'presets again' camp are usually musicians who > know the patches as being from specific synths - but do non-musicians feel > the same way?? I imagine they're not bothered if the DX7 'log drums' or > whatever is repeated on various albums - if in fact they even > notice..........the other point is - nobody complains that a pianist uses Maybe that's it! I'm no musician (I pretend to play the flute/recorder) and I couldn't tell you one synth sound from another. As I said in an earlier post..I couldn't give a flying one if it was written using a cheapo Ģ100 Casio or someting! Its the end effect that's important, not the way you get there! Colin Sorry about the rant, but its that time of the week again! (Monday!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 11:02 am Subject: Re: Lineup wanted ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >At 02:49 PM 3/21/1998 +0100, Fred wrote: > >> >>I would like to know the location and the lineup of the 'Garten of Pharaos' >>album. >> >>Bristol : in the US? like said in the picture disc? or in UK? because the >>Calston Hall (or something like that) exists in Bristol, UK (searched on the >>net). >> >>CF must have left then... who replaced? Jerome was he present? > >Bristol, UK, 11 Nov. 1990 > >Line-up: E. Froese, J. Froese, Haslinger, Spa. (from 'Mysterious Semblance' >by Scott Plumer) There was another guy at the Edinburgh concert of the same tour. He played sax and flute. I guessed he was Hubert Waldner, since he played on LotB. I distinctly remember both he and Linda being on stage for the last track of LotB (damn my memory, can't remember its name). And, of course, the German titles for the CD are simply made up. They played 'real' TD tracks, most of which were previously released. There was some discussion some time ago about whether or not one of the tracks was unreleased, or just obscure. Can't remember the outcome of that. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12240 Re: Lineup wanted Dave Brewer Mon 3/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Mar 20, 1998 3:14 pm Subject: Odp: Electric Orgy and similar CDs For Jens Hello, it was nice to get Your mesage; thanx for info. I'll try. I live in the city of Lublin, the biggest in the Eastern part of Poland. I remember still 6th December 1993 when I went to the first, ill-fated show in Warsaw (due to power failure, due to incompetence of local crew - the switches overloaded because they were of too small amperage). I had been listenong to TD for 4 years already, so I knew what to expect (musically). One correction - contrary to the info I read in the book appended to 'The Dream Root Collection', there was no blizzard in Warsaw this day. It was rather murky, but otherwise the weather was fine - although it was really cold in the arena (its name is Torwar, by the way). So much for historical accuracy. Thanks again - Marek Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12244 Re: Odp: Electric Orgy and similar CDs Vic Rek Tue 3/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 12:05 pm Subject: new video? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' I read in the new KLEM-magazine that TD is planning to release a new video very soon. This video will contain the European Tour from last year. Maybe we're on it :-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12232 Re: new video? Marcel Engels Mon 3/23/1998 3 KB 12238 Re: new video? Marcel Engels Mon 3/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 2:05 pm Subject: Poster from Moondawn French LP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Hi Guys I just found a source offering an old Klaus Schulze Moondawn French LP Isadora ISA 9001. It should include an original poster in the first edition. Anybody knows how the poster looks like? Jeffrey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 2:02 pm Subject: Re: new video? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > >I read in the new KLEM-magazine that TD is >planning to release a new video very soon. >This video will contain the European Tour from >last year. Maybe we're on it :-) > Marcel, Any more details? Will the video include both the Euro and the UK tour? Jeffrey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 2:10 pm Subject: Re: pre-sets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 10:25 PM 3/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > >On Sun, 22 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > >> Isn't that the truth!!......get a new keyboard and the reviews say 'Great!! >> sounds just like the Jupiter 8'....... > >Well, it's a buyer's market, not at all helped by the fact that so many >artists actually WANT to stick to that old sound. It's why I keep saying >all the innovation has gone out of e-music. Funny, I never really felt innovation as being that important to music. Yes, the technology becomes available, but I just don't see any point in tossing equipment because it's 'been done before.' Why can I listen to a dozen remixes of White Eagle and never get tired of it but the tracks on Goblin's Club didn't survive 5 listens with me? It's not an equipment issue!! >> >I simply don't understand what this continued >loathing of 'modern, >> digital' >> >sounds is founded on. >> >Gabe Music does not require us to upgrade equipment. Just like DVD. It gives me nothing over my Laserdisc system with AC-3 decoder. Actually, it compresses the video quite noticably. And disc size is such a trivial issue I don't even know why people bring it up. Just like my car. It's 9 years old. Would I gain anything by switching to the 'latest greatest'? No I wouldn't. Not really. >> >> Me too!.....I like the clarity of the sounds - 'Le Parc' was great because >> the whole album seems 'cleaner' than the earlier stuff - although best when >> interspersed with the warmth of the analogues. > >Well, up to a point I guess. It's not just the method of sound >generation of the synths, it's also the production. Yes, _Le >Parc_'s cleanliness and balance between old and new sounds was >great. 'Clean' production is absolutely unnecessary for wonderful music. Why go to a concert if you know it's going to be identical to the DAT? I can overlook quite a bit of background noise if the music is great. I survived the 3 hour netcast of the TD concert from Germany, even with a sound quality somewhere around 5kHz... because I wanted to hear the music. Truly, the only album I have ever had a serious problem with because of sound quality was the 1992 Relativity pressing of Tyger. As is well known, most of these discs were pressed very weakly, resulting in very low sound level and a terrible signal-to-noise ratio. I play CDs at volume of 3 or so. Tyger requires a volume of 8 and the sound quality is quite awful. However, _Optical Race_ is, IMO, the apotheosis of the overly >clean, crisp digital sound and production. Optical Race sounds like a MIDI file playing on my computer, not a group of musicians who want their music and instruments to be an emotional extension of themselves. Contrast this with _Lily_ and >_Melrose_ which use virtually the same synth equipment but sound much >warmer and more natural. These were better, yes. Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 2:26 pm Subject: Bank charges etc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'ashok prema' Steve said: <> to negate bank charges a foreign cheque must be drawn on a UK based bank.. and be made out in UK pounds.......some US banks have offices here and their cheques will give the UK address and sort code - no problem with these cheques.......any other and my bank will charge for the foreign cheque. Also he wrote: << Can anybody give a capsule description or review of Ash's album, here? (And if anyone has something overly critical to say about it, private e-mail would probably be a better idea.) Also, who is Paul Lawler? >> At the risk of annoying those not interested yet giving the opportunity to those who are interested in knowing about my cd I include a review of my cd and Paul Lawler: music in the same vein as his first album 'Of Times and Places'....but suddenly, 2 mins into the opening track 'Unicorn' a sensational sequence bursts onto the scene backed superbly by tabla percussion. It fades after a few mins then returns for a brief reprise - and all this packed into just under 5 minutes and now I'm fascinated to hear what comes next. 'Searcher of Souls' opens with foreboding chords then breaks into a soulful motif. Excellent sequencing then re-emerges accompanied by a poised melody which fits the rhythm perfectly. The sequences constantly ebb and flow as complimentary themes weave a skilful thread. At the five minute mark a guitar also emerges from the mists - again this track really does pack in the content and style. 'Dancing Dust' opens with syncopating effects which then lead to a plucked guitar theme very reminescent of John Dyson. The approach is measured rather than powerful and again the piece twists and turns until another delightful sequence emerges at the 5 min mark. 'Triangular Succession' combines a heavy drum beat and various synth lines to create a very unusual piece. Equally unusual is the title of track 5 'Artist Palette at Wai O Tapu'. The opening refrains are symphonic in nature, somewhat reminescence of Tomita in places. Enter a short burst of vocal effects closely followed by pulsing sequences and again we have a top notch outing. The rhythmics are superbly judged and there are some choice melodies on show too. 'Letters from Here and There' opens brightly and yes, you've guessed it, another storming sequence then hits home - and what a corker, possibly the best so far as it follows the melodics in classic fashion. 'Messenger of Malicious Truths' is yet another superb outing, airing measured themes before strange effects and echoed guitar take centre stage. Finally we have 'To Turn and Turn' and yet again Ash produces a magnificient slab of pulsing electronics and beguiling themes - and do I detect a sniff of Kraftwerk in there? This is a gem of an album. Wavestar style sequencing, Dysonesque melodics, and Ashoks own unique style. Highly recommended. 2nd Review(precise'd): 'A suprising piece of music.....really is excellent music and brings a varied aural experience which entertains from beginning to end.....Ash is a very competent synthesist and composes music to a high standard. A vast array of eastern sounds, great sequences, excellent melodies.....haunting guitar leads.....makes this cd a very welcome addition to my collection. 'Stranger' will leave an impression on you too......' Oh yes - our own Craig Cordrey's comment on my track 'Unicorn' for the Gold Tri disc is rather good too: Ashok Prema - Unicorn This starts in the style that I expect Ash's work to be, melodic and full of eastern promise. The shock occurs when you think the song is finished : at around 2 minutes themelodic piece fades out and there is a tangible pause before the sequence starts up. This is classic stuff, superbly backed up with both eastern (Indian?) percussion and another, less 'twee' melody. I must admit to not rating Ash's first album particularly highly, but if this is a guide to a change of style, then I'm sure his new CD is a high-priority purchase. Personal Rating - 4 music in the same vein as his first album 'Of Times and Places'....but suddenly, 2 mins into the opening track 'Unicorn' a sensational sequence bursts onto the scene backed superbly by tabla percussion. It fades after a few mins then returns for a brief reprise - and all this packed into just under 5 minutes and now I'm fascinated to hear what comes next. 'Searcher of Souls' opens with foreboding chords then breaks into a soulful motif. Excellent sequencing then re-emerges accompanied by a poised melody which fits the rhythm perfectly. The sequences constantly ebb and flow as complimentary themes weave a skilful thread. At the five minute mark a guitar also emerges from the mists - again this trck really does pack in the content and style. 'Dancing Dust' opens with syncopating effects which then lead to a plucked guitar theme very reminescent of John Dyson. The approach is measured rather than powerful and again the piece twists and turns until another delightful sequence emerges at the 5 min mark. 'Triangular Succession' combines a heavy drum beat and various synth lines to create a very unusual piece. Equally unusual is the title of track 5 'Artist Palette at Wai O Tapu'. The opening refrains are symphonic in nature, somewhat reminescence of Tomita in places. Enter a short burst of vocal effects closely followed by pulsing sequences and again we have a top notch outing. The rhythmics are superbly judged and there are some choice melodies on show too. 'Letters from Here and There' opens brightly and yes, you've guessed it, another storming sequence then hits home - and what a corker, possibly the best so far as it follows the melodics in classic fashion. 'Messenger of Malicious Truths' is yet another superb outing, airing measured themes before strange effects and echoed guitar take centre stage. Finally we have 'To Turn and Turn' and yet again Ash produces a magnificient slab of pulsing electronics and beguiling themes - and do I detect a sniff of Kraftwerk in there? This is a gem of an album. Wavestar style sequencing, Dysonesque melodics, and Ashoks own unique style. Highly recommended. 2nd Review(precise'd): 'A suprising piece of music.....really is excellent music and brings a varied aural experience which entertains from beginning to end.....Ash is a very competent synthesist and composes music to a high standard. A vast array of eastern sounds, great sequences, excellent melodies.....haunting guitar leads.....makes this cd a very welcome addition to my collection. 'Stranger' will leave an impression on you too......' Oh yes - our own Craig Cordrey's comment on my track 'Unicorn' for the Gold Tri disc is rather good too: Ashok Prema - Unicorn This starts in the style that I expect Ash's work to be, melodic and full of eastern promise. The shock occurs when you think the song is finished : at around 2 minutes themelodic piece fades out and there is a tangible pause before the sequence starts up. This is classic stuff, superbly backed up with both eastern (Indian?) percussion and another, less 'twee' melody. I must admit to not rating Ash's first album particularly highly, but if this is a guide to a change of style, then I'm sure his new CD is a high-priority purchase. Personal Rating - 4 musical capability then most established musicians - he has real pedigree having played with orchestras before and written material for the BBC! Best is to quote Craig Cordrey again: Paul Lawler - Ice Station A rather light-weight intro to this track had me fooled the first couple of times I listened to it. However, in a similar way to the F&K track, I find this piece engaging and a real grower. Obviously, it is not as 'powerful' as Tapedriver, but I view this as a more 'beautiful' piece. I find the melody reminds me of some of Paul Nagle's softer moments on Earthshaper. As a newcomer to Paul Lawler's work, I may be on the look-out for more info and sounds from this man because this release has me intrigued. Personal Rating : 4 I hope to have a web page soon for Champagne Lake - Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 2:26 pm Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... >For Jens >Hello, >it was nice to get Your mesage; thanx for info. I'll try. I live in the city >of Lublin, the biggest in the Eastern part of Poland. I remember still 6th >December 1993 when I went to the first, ill-fated show in Warsaw 1983? >(due to power failure, due to incompetence of local crew - the switches >overloaded because they were of too small amperage). I had been listenong to >TD for 4 years already, so I knew what to expect (musically). One correction >- contrary to the info I read in the book appended to 'The Dream Root >Collection', there was no blizzard in Warsaw this day. It was rather murky, >but otherwise the weather was fine - although it was really cold in the arena >(its name is Torwar, by the way). So much for historical accuracy. >Thanks again - Marek I think the blizzard comment is intended as a joke. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12462 Doug Daughtry Tue 3/31/1998 3 KB 12749 Marek Mastalerz Wed 4/8/1998 3 KB 12820 jinsuk Kim Fri 4/10/1998 2 KB 13042 Marek Mastalerz Thu 4/16/1998 4 KB 13047 Re: TangerineC Thu 4/16/1998 2 KB 13068 Re: Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 4/17/1998 3 KB 13059 Marek Mastalerz Thu 4/16/1998 4 KB 13070 Re: SRiser3600 Fri 4/17/1998 2 KB 13074 Re: Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 4/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 2:23 pm Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:24 AM 3/23/98 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: Colin Knowles > >> Really-From: feldon@p... >> >> >> I wholeheartedly disagree. TD should have put on the brakes in 1984 like >> Chris Franke and Johannes Schmoelling wanted and stopped for a year. >> Instead, Edgar went on a rampage doing more soundtracks between 84-89 than >> James Horner. The more music you crank out per year, the lower the quality. >> I could stand ONE release every two years if it meant the music would be >> fresh and exciting. > >Agree wholeheartedly! Can't stand the majority of soundtracks so I wouldn't mourn >if TD never did another one..ever! Son, you are in a VERY small minority of Tangerine Dream fans. 90% of us LOVE the soundtracks they have done and we recognize the compositional qualities of their 1973-1986 music that are lacking in their 1987-1995 stuff. Say what you want, but you are pretty much alone in your thinking. >But the thing is..if you're looking for a particualar sound for a particular >peice, and that >sound already exists, then why bother creating a new one? The time could be spent >a lot >better on the album as a whole. Well, I found some tin cans on the side of the road, so let me use those for sound, instead of hunting around and looking for a guitar or keyboard. Same sound, right? Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 2:48 pm Subject: Tenchi Muyo on TV ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Tenchi Muyo in Love (ST by CF) was on the Sci-Fi channel Saturday morning. Unfortunately, I didn't catch it until 10 minutes in, or I would have taped it. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 3:01 pm Subject: Re: new video? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' > >>I read in the new KLEM-magazine that TD is >>planning to release a new video very soon. >>This video will contain the European Tour from >>last year. Maybe we're on it :-) > >Any more details? Will the video include both the Euro and the UK tour? No, sadly, thats all the info. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 4:14 pm Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: feldon@p... > > Well, I found some tin cans on the side of the road, so let me use those > for sound, instead of hunting around and looking for a guitar or keyboard. > Same sound, right? > > Morgan > feldon@p... If what you want is a tin can sound sure! Wouldn't be much point in trying to distort a guitar to sound like a tin can now would there? :-) Colin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 5:23 pm Subject: Re: Lineup wanted ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer > Quoted From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > There was another guy at the Edinburgh concert of the same tour. He played sax > and flute. I guessed he was Hubert Waldner, since he played on LotB. I > distinctly remember both he and Linda being on stage for the last track of LotB > (damn my memory, can't remember its name). The other woodwind player was Paul Greibach (I probably misspelled his last name!). Waldner was just a studio musician. Dave B. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 10:23 pm Subject: Re: Presets ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA Morgan writes: Son, you are in a VERY small minority of Tangerine Dream fans. 90% of us LOVE the soundtracks they have done and we recognize the compositional qualities of their 1973-1986 music that are lacking in their 1987-1995 stuff. Say what you want, but you are pretty much alone in your thinking. Personally I hate all their music, just wish I could stop listening to it....David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12257 Re: Presets Gabe Yedid Tue 3/24/1998 3 KB 12272 Re: Presets feldon@p... Wed 3/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 22, 1998 12:51 pm Subject: D:List, Addendum Week 6 - 22nd March 1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' This week we would like to hear comments on TimeSquare (Dream Mixes II) - Not to be confused with the 2cd edition of The Dream mixes. Please make your subject D:TimeSquare when replying. Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Mar 22, 1998 1:45 pm Subject: Alpha Centauri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' Just got back from The Netherlands.... what a fantastic show. It was also nice, to put some faces to the names... (Hi Marcel, Jens, and the others). BTW Marcel... check out my np below... comments to follow! A very rushed and expensive weekend for me, but I wouldn't have missed it for the world. I got my hands on Redshift II: Ether, (again, comments to follow), the GoldTri: Volume One which looks great value for money, but I've yet to hear it. (EM overload!). Also, I bought both of Marcel's 'Free System Projekt' CD's, the Movements CD from Alpha Centauri members, and also managed to get the Thief SBM for Ģ3. Which is nice. Also on sale was Edgar Froese's Macula Transfer on the Mannekin label, but my funds had just about dried up so I thought I'd wait until it hits the shops over here. The acts appeared in the following order:- Rainbow Serpent Paul Nagle Alquimia Mark Jenkins Syndromeda Schonwalder/Keller ARC: Boddy/Shreeve Next years festival is slated for 13th March, so put that date in your diaries and start saving now. Well worth the effort to see so many of today's breed of EM artists under one roof. To sum the whole day up in just one word... fantastic. Lawry Simm np: Free System Projekt - Impulse Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 12248 Re: Alpha Centauri Jens Peschke Tue 3/24/1998 6 KB 12249 Re: Alpha Centauri K.E Tue 3/24/1998 3 KB 12256 Re: Alpha Centauri Lawry Simm Tue 3/24/1998 4 KB 29440 Alpha Centauri tom george Mon 10/8/2001 5 KB 29441 Re: Alpha Centauri rubyconist@y... Mon 10/8/2001 3 KB 29444 Re: Alpha Centauri John Vertical Mon 10/8/2001 3 KB 29500 Re: Alpha Centauri rubyconist@y... Thu 10/11/2001 2 KB 29447 Re: Alpha Centauri ohmss761@c... Tue 10/9/2001 2 KB 29503 Re: Alpha Centauri John Vertical Thu 10/11/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 24, 1998 1:44 am Subject: Re: Odp: Electric Orgy and similar CDs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Hey Jens, So who is this Marek guy from Poland and how can he be reached? >it was nice to get Your mesage; thanx for info. I'll try. I live in the city of Lublin, the biggest in the Eastern part of Poland. I remember still 6th December 1993 when I went to the first, ill-fated show in Warsaw [...] >Thanks again - Marek The show wasn't too ill fated, we've 'all' got it on CD :-) Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: LoaRT 4-CD-R Set ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:49:56 -0500 >Subject: Re: LOART CDR >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: KRAUSENECKS > > Whatever has happened to the collective cdr of all the different >versions of LOART? [. . .] Disc One (of four!!!) was just completed. That's all I have to report for now . . . except that there'll be stuff from live shows and cover versions and even snippets from the movie itself . . . a maybe even a Pink Floyd tune (the first/title track on the OBSCURED BY CLOUDS soundtrack sounds like 'Guido the Killer Pimp')?!?! -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Centerfold Model, or Calendar Girl? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi, I caught a few minutes of a movie about five or six years ago that sounded like it had a TD soundtrack. I recall that it had a title like THE PINUP GIRL AND THE COP, or somesuch, and think that it starred Barbara Eden. I did some searching at the Internet Movies Database Search website and wound up with two movies: o STONESTREET: WHO KILLED THE CENTERFOLD MODEL? (1977)--w/ Barbara Eden o CALENDAR GIRL, COP KILLER? THE BAMBI BEMBENEK STORY (1992) Below is the entry for each of these made-for-TV movies. If anyone here comes across either of these, give a listen and see if there is or is not something akin to TD on the soundtrack(s). -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Stonestreet: Who Killed the Centerfold Model? (1977) (TV) USA 1977 Color (Technicolor) Produced by: Universal City Studios Productions, Inc. Certification: USA:PG Language: English Genre/keyword: Mystery / Thriller Runtime: USA:73 Distributed by: Universal Pictures [aka MCA/Universal Pictures] [us] Directed by Russ Mayberry Cast (in credits order) complete, awaiting verification Barbara Eden .... Elizabeth Stonestreet Joseph Mascolo .... Max Pierce Joan Hackett Richard Basehart .... Elliott Osborn Louise Latham .... Mrs. Schroeder Elaine Giftos James Ingersoll Val Avery Sally Kirkland Gino Conforti .... Davis Ryan MacDonald .... Watch Commander LaWanda Page .... Erna Len Wayland .... Detective #1 Ann Dusenberry .... Amory Osborn Dave Shelley .... Brady Robert Burton .... Dale Anderson Paula Victor .... Miss Gibbons Lew Palter .... Munroe Written by Leslie Stevens [producer of the 60's show THE OUTER LIMITS --S.F.] Cinematography by Terry K. Meade Music by Patrick Williams (I) Costume Design by George Whittaker (as George R. Whittaker) Film Editing by Robert F. Shugrue Produced by Leslie Stevens [producer of the 60's show THE OUTER LIMITS --S.F.] Other crew John E. Chilberg II .... art director Peg Cummings .... set decorator Chuck Lowry .... assistant director David J. O'Connell .... production executive Don Parker .... sound Joe Reich .... casting (as Joseph Z. Reich) Robert G. Stone .... unit manager Al Teeter .... music editor Don Weinman .... sound effects editor Crew believed to be complete. Copyright Đ 1990-1998 The Internet Movie Database Ltd + + + + + + + Calendar Girl, Cop, Killer? The Bambi Bembenek Story (1992) (TV) USA 1992 Color (CFI) [release dates ] Language: English Runtime: Netherlands:100 Also Known As: Heart of the Lie, The (1992) (TV) Directed by Jerry London Cast (in credits order) complete, awaiting verification Timothy Busfield .... Fred Schultz Lindsay Frost .... Laurencia 'Bambi' Bembenek John Karlen .... John Garner Linda Blair .... Jane Mader James Sloyan Kathleen Garrett .... Paula Fulton John Pleshette Peter Jurasik Tobin Bell James Handy Tom Mason (I) .... Frank Rutter Ed Lauter .... Lieutenant Driscoll Don S. Davis .... McCann Susanna Thompson .... Christine Stephen Liska .... Razboni Steve Sandor .... Sam Corbett Matt Roe .... Greg Esperson Grant Gelt .... Sean Mort Sertner .... Judge Anthony Addabbo .... Nick Adam Hendershott .... Shannon Daniel Trent .... Border Guard Jeanette O'Connor .... Manager Roger Rook .... Prison Guard Jay Irwin .... Wallen Ken Kerman .... Sergeant Steve Chase .... Guy Kevin Brief .... MC Dink O'Neal .... Photo Journalist John Dunbar .... Expert Written by Larry Barber Cinematography by Billy Dickson Music by Dana Kaproff Production Design by Mick Strawn Costume Design by Shari Feldman Film Editing by Michael Brown (I) Produced by Robert Engelman (co-producer) Jerry London Randy Sutter (co-producer) Copyright Đ 1990-1998 The Internet Movie Database Ltd From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: Mucilage Lars Jones <105411.3107@c...>, Victor Rek , Hermes Guzman , 'Francisco Salgado C.' , Tangerine Dream mailing list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Mr. Ed--Molasar's Favorite Drink' Guys, Who was it who told me that the best thing for re-sticking CD-R labels back onto the surface of a CD-R is mucilage? I remember being horrified upon hearing this since mucilage is horribly unmanageable stuff that cracks, flakes, and then powders if and when it dries and scrapes off. Is this for real? And if not, what *is* good to use to stick the labels back on when they rise up and start interfering with the rotation of the CD-R within the disc player? -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 24, 1998 7:00 am Subject: Re: Alpha Centauri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' > >Just got back from The Netherlands.... what a fantastic show. Quite. >It was also nice, to put some faces to the names... >(Hi Marcel, Jens, and the others). Hi Lawry :-) Itīs a pity that we were talking only briefly. Were you at the last KLEMdag too ? I spend lots of time talking to all the listmembers (tadream, space-music, goldtri) and their friends. I managed to miss noone (?) but as about more than a dozent mailing list members were present you can imagine that the time was just too short. Lawry, where did you stay ? We were at the Tulipp Inn in Naarden. Was lot of fun to have such an international EM artist/fangroup at one place. It was really amazing to meet them all ! Paul Nagle, his synth partner John Hickey, the AirSculture guys, Ian Boddy, Mark Shreeve, his brother and another Redshift member were amongst them. Mark Fonda came over from Aruba (Mark, are you still flying, matey ? :-)), cars full of Brits were arriving over the day as well. Was so amazing to meet you all ! :-) Ash, itīs a pity that you missed the party ! I *really* enjoyed the whole weekend (from Friday morning 5:00 ītil Sunday 18:30 when I finally arrived back in Germany). Iīll write a full length report soon. Hopefully you donīt mind a long report over here on the tadream list. Elana was also present as well as the incredible Trout of Doom (TM) fishy. Elana talked to Ian Boddy and he was curious about her huge fishy. I donīt know the whole story ... For some reason it ended up with Ian Boddy hitting Elana with the plastic fishy quite a lot. A strange mix out of laughing, crying was to be heard. Fortunately Iīve been able to watch it once more on video (PAL) the next day. Back to the music: A few short concert reviews --------------------------------------- >Rainbow Serpent Unprofessional performance. Was the 1st time I heard their music. Also it had has its moments they have no clue about developing and composing/arranging. All the endings were just awful. Imagine a multi layered drums, sequences mix that stops suddenly to end uip in a faded out bass drone ! Why did they do that ? :-(( The better parts included JMJ styled poppy melodies and some of the sequences. Itīs a pity that their just throw the full sequence in with NO (or a few) developement. >Paul Nagle and his mate John Hickey. Wow ! Never heard any of Paulīs regular CDīs, honestly. The performance was quite amazing, Iīve already ordered 'Live Elements' as a starter, btw. Paul was very impressive, *very*. He really *worked* on stage. I liked the harp bit most ! :-) It starts with slower stuff and the more up-beat stonking end was a winner, at least to me... Keep on the excellent work, that Paul chap ! The next time Iīll like to hear a longer concert, though ! ;-) >Alquimia Strange music, she seems to mime everything. She looks pretty well but I leaved after a few minutes. New Age, dark Ambient with vocals is not my cup of coffee. > ARC That was a real stunner ! Iīm still flying. I felt always sad to miss the great td shows in the 70s (born in 1966), Iīm not sad anymore about that ! Mark Shreeve did a part with a live sequence on his Modular Moog that was worth the money I spent for the whole weekend. :-D Lawry, youīll love Marcel Engels track on the GT sampler, itīs the best FSP Iīve heard so far ! More later Jens np: Redshift: Ether, way better than the 1st CD! PS:Redshift II, ARC and Stephen Parsick: Traces from the past are must haves for tadream list members that likes the Baumann aera !! Anyone interested to read reviews of those stunners ? Marcel, it isnīt you. The music gets better !!!!!!!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Mar 24, 1998 3:46 pm Subject: Re: Alpha Centauri ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'K.E' Hi all you lucky people who seemed to have a nice time at the Alpha Cenrauri festival. I was wondering; How many people attended the Alpha Centauri this year? How was it compared to KLEM? Kindly, Kent From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Mar 23, 1998 11:07 pm Subject: The Keep - (oh yes... yet again!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' Why does everyone on this list feel inclined to persecute Steve Feldman because of his quest? Fact: The album was not only pressed, but released to record stores. Fact: Due to hassle betweed TD, record companies etc, the record was recalled and probably destroyed. Is it not within the realms of possibility therefore, that some still exist? Why take the piss instead of helping out? Put this guy out of his misery! Right, I'm off to find some pixies. :-)