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Date: Tue Mar 24, 1998 4:52
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Subject: Re: Alpha Centauri [non TD]
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
Kent 'Timescape' said:
>Hi all you lucky people
>who seemed to have a nice time at the Alpha Cenrauri festival.
>
>I was wondering;
>How many people attended the Alpha Centauri this year?
Dunno, seemed to be (almost) sold out.
>How was it compared to KLEM?
Better. But that´s IMO as I didn´t stay the whole weekend
in Holland during the KLEMdag.
Speaking of the KLEMdag: It´s history.
Kent, you were at the very last KLEMdag ever.
The new event is called 'E-Live' and seems to be
a profit orientated event, as Groove Unlimited
is respondable for it.
Compared to the line-up of the Alfa Centauri festival
the current line-up of 'E-Live' is quite disappointing.
Let´s hope that Kees will present a good main act
and a newcomer as it was the case at the KLEMdag.
Kind Regards
Jens
PS: Kent, Is your *excellent* CD-R finally available ? Arse into gear, that man
! ;-)
I just don´t like to play tapes ;-)
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Subject: Edgar speaks about 'The Keep'
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This comes from the TD Webpage:
-------------------------------
Other story: It has cost us a lot of time and energy to finally get THE
KEEP Soundtrack on to our Studio consoles for final release preparation.
The official release is planned by Virgin in March 98. Some 150 special
edition copies have been made available during our recent UK tour. Some
Fans who got one of these copies believe they've seen an earlier official
release back in the Eighties and start complaining about the unsimilarity
of the two records. Hold on you hardcore fans- we know that you species
always have known where we have to go to, what we have to do, and finally
who really has the ultimate right to justify what's good or bad for the
band to do. But be sure diehard fans, the original Soundtrack of THE KEEP
has never seen the light of a day before.
What you guys are talking about is a bootleg, containing some material
from a German radio feature and some music copied directly from The
Keep-Video, which has been commercially released years ago. We found it
rather annoying to defend ourself against such silly reproaches by some
fans who- with some research- should know better. By the way: will you
really believe what's been printed on a bootleg or what producers of such
boots will sell you as a true story? Lots of boots we saw contained
senseless infos- but that's the nature of boots, isn't it? What you
finally like or dislike musically is absolutely your choice, but please
don't explain us the difference between fiction and reality, O.K., never
mind.
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Subject: TD Homepage Updated!
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
Those of you with web access might want to check out the TD Homepage
today. It includes info about the release of Luminous Visions, plus a new
article written by Jerome and Edgar called 'Focus the Facts', where they
respond to a some of the more frequently-voiced criticisms the band
receives.
The TDI International page, however, is still under construction.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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Reprinted without permission from the tadream website (Edgar, Jerome,
Stefan, please be gentle):
So within the next year, we hope to collect our own catalogoue with over 25
releases which will include
older TD material, cuts from live concerts on various places, a selection
from so far unreleased Soundtrack music, and of course some surprises
a few of you will definitely be happy to put their hands on.
We will let you know through this Website how and when you can make your
first orders directly here, or through which Distribution
companies these products will reach the dealers' slots near you. Among the
first official releases you will definitely find TimeSquare/Dream
Mixes II, Ambient Monkeys, Transsiberia Soundtrack, Quinoa- the original
Fan Club CD now in full length, Dream Encores -containing most TD
concert encores of various decades- just to name a few. Also on a TDI
special section, we will feature artists TD has produced and will also
support their first releases. So watch this site for more details, coming
soon.
-Edgar and Jerome Froese
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Subject: Here's an idea...
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Really-From: 'Dave Lane'
Go into your mailer and tell it to STOP sending HTML.
For example, Netscape users:
go to Edit Preferences
Mail & Groups
Messages
UNCHECK the By Default, send HTML messages
That way, people with ordinary text mailers can read
your messages. Thank you. We now return you to
the 'Presets' discussion, already in progress.
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Subject: RE: Alpha Centauri
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Jens said:
> Hi Lawry :-)
> It's a pity that we were talking only briefly. Were you at the last
> KLEMdag too ?
and...
Yes, it was a shame we only talked briefly. I felt that the whole thing
was a big rush for me, I was only in the Netherlands for a total of
about 32 hours, and 12 of those were spent at the festival. Also,
the festival itself had only small breaks between acts and I wanted
to see everything, so I wasn't chatting for long. I did manage to have
a slightly longer chat with Marcel though. And no, I wasn't at KLEMdag.
> Lawry, where did you stay ? We were at the Tulipp Inn in Naarden.
> Was lot of fun to have such an international EM artist/fangroup at
> one place. It was really amazing to meet them all !
Maybe next year, with a bit more planning, we could all meet up for
night on the town too. I only actually stayed for 1 night in a hotel in
Amsterdam... the next night I spent loitering around the airport
waiting for my flight home. I think I'll drive next year. Save some
money and spend more time in Holland.
I did manage to say hi to Paul Nagle and Mark Shreeve. Both of
their gigs kicked ass too. I got Mark to sign my Ether album, even
though he complained that it was sacriledge to write on the picture
of the moog modular. :-)
To repeat what I said on my last AC post, the whole day was fantastic
if a bit rushed. There's a thought... ATTN:Eric Snelders... how about
making it a two day affair next year?? Double the acts... (there are
plenty out there worthy of a spot...) and maybe let Paul Nagle stay on
for longer! (Your set seemed to fly Paul... I'd rather have watched
another half hour of you than watch Alquimia).
Anyway... again, further comments to follow, (unless people object),
Just as soon as I catch up with my e-mail.
Lawry
Ps - Another thought.... I think it would have been great if there
had been a place that people could have a jam together. I would
have loved to have a jam with Marcel and Jens. Maybe we could
have borrowed Mark's Moog Modular! :-)))
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Subject: Re: Presets
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On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: DAVENTURA
>
>
> Morgan writes:
>
> Son, you are in a VERY small minority of Tangerine Dream fans. 90% of us
> LOVE the soundtracks they have done and we recognize the compositional
> qualities of their 1973-1986 music that are lacking in their 1987-1995
> stuff. Say what you want, but you are pretty much alone in your thinking.
>
> Personally I hate all their music, just wish I could stop listening to
> it....David
Uh, so why do you even stay on this list?
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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
>
>
> This comes from the TD Webpage:
> -------------------------------
>
>
> Other story: It has cost us a lot of time and energy to finally get THE
> KEEP Soundtrack on to our Studio consoles for final release preparation.
> The official release is planned by Virgin in March 98. Some 150 special
> edition copies have been made available during our recent UK tour. Some
> Fans who got one of these copies believe they've seen an earlier official
> release back in the Eighties and start complaining about the unsimilarity
> of the two records. Hold on you hardcore fans- we know that you species
Whoa, now it sounds like Eddie is confused.
What *I* know, so far from this list, is that THE BOOT and THE OFFICIAL
VERSION are dissimilar. (Most of us still know nothing about the alleged
'80s LP release). The fact is, most of what is on the boot IS IN THE
MOVIE (or some cuts of it, anyway), while this is NOT true of the
official version (even if it may have been at one time). This implies that
the music that made it to the boot is
a) the Keep soundtrack, Mk. II, NOT the music the band originally worked on
for the movie. (Which makes Jim Moore's theory plausible...)
b) in fact, mostly NOT by TD. Not the original soundtrack, and nothing
they did, either (with some exceptions).
This further implies that the official release
a) is a near-total fake
b) the original version of the soundtrack, that was for some reason rejected
at the 11th hour
c) the best of a shitload of music done for The Keep (at least in TD's view).
None of this changes the fact that a version of the movie actually
featuring a whole lot of the 'official' music is known.
Which furthers my own suspicion that 'The Keep' is allegory for the
activities of the Trilateral Commission.
;)
> always have known where we have to go to, what we have to do, and finally
> who really has the ultimate right to justify what's good or bad for the
> band to do. But be sure diehard fans, the original Soundtrack of THE KEEP
> has never seen the light of a day before.
>
> What you guys are talking about is a bootleg, containing some material
> from a German radio feature and some music copied directly from The
> Keep-Video, which has been commercially released years ago. We found it
> rather annoying to defend ourself against such silly reproaches by some
> fans who- with some research- should know better. By the way: will you
I hate to point it out, but there are at least 3 versions of a Keep album
(official or not)
1) the usual boot
2) the 'Complete Works of the Keep'
3) the official version
and
4) the putative '84 LP.
Which one does Ed mean? We, here, are quite clear on the differences, it
seems to me.
> really believe what's been printed on a bootleg or what producers of such
> boots will sell you as a true story? Lots of boots we saw contained
If you are legally prevented from telling us the real story, yes.
Gabe
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Subject: Re: Presets
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In a message dated 98-03-24 19:01:01 EST, you write:
<< Uh, so why do you even stay on this list?
Gabe >>
I was being facetious, Gabe. You know, kidding?
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Subject: Edgar's Anger
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Judging from the latest post on the Website, it sounds like Edgar is just a
bit angry. Although someone already posted an excerpt about 'The Keep', I
found the rest of the post quite interesting. I wonder if they actually
visited Lenny in 'Boisytown'. Just a cup of coffee, huh? I wish I could be an
under appreciated millionaire...Somebody call a WAmbulance....David
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Edgar writes:
Very few times we're somehow frustrated and angry by being hit with
stupid messages which may have left a drugfilled scatterbrain at 5am,
just to block up our faxmachine with paperwaste.
Hmm....Steve?
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Subject: Old Or New Quinoa?
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>Really-From: feldon@p...
>
>
>Reprinted without permission from the tadream website (Edgar, Jerome,
>Stefan, please be gentle):
>Among the first official releases you will definitely find TimeSquare/Dream
>Mixes II, Ambient Monkeys, Transsiberia Soundtrack, Quinoa- the original
>Fan Club CD now in full length
Will this 'Quinoa in full length' be a new CD or old ones in their
inventory? Who knows more?
Jeffrey
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In a message dated 98-03-24 19:01:01 EST, you write:
<< > Personally I hate all their music, just wish I could stop listening to
> it....David
Uh, so why do you even stay on this list?
Gabe
>>
Gabe: he was just joking, get it? he can't stop listening to their music.
LOL Dell
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Subject: Edgar is Not Omniscient nor Infallible
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Message-Id: <199803241622.KAA21590@c...>
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Subject: The Keep - (oh yes... yet again!)
>Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:07:50 -0000
>Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
>Why does everyone on this list feel inclined to persecute
>Steve Feldman because of his quest?
Envy. Pure envy. Folks resent the fact that I am not hinging my
'faith' in the existence of the album on *belief*, but *certitude*.
>[. . .] Why take the piss instead of helping out?
Now *that's* something I can agree with. *I'm* willing to go the
extra mile and put my money where my mouth is: I'll pay $200 for a good
tape recording, DAT or CD-R of the album along with color reproductions
of the front and back covers and spine of the LP.
>Message-Id: <199803241759.LAA24057@c...>
>Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:49:56 -0800 (PST)
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
>This comes from the TD Webpage:
>-------------------------------
>
>Other story: It has cost us a lot of time and energy to finally get THE
>KEEP Soundtrack on to our Studio consoles for final release preparation.
>The official release is planned by Virgin in March 98. Some 150 special
>edition copies have been made available during our recent UK tour. [...]
Interesting. I thought there were 300.
>[. . .] Some Fans who got one of these copies believe they've seen an
>earlier official release back in the Eighties and start complaining
>about the unsimilarity of the two records. [. . .]
Nice try. I (and others) saw an *unofficial* release by a big-
name record company who jumped the gun before the rights agreements
were ironed out.
>[. . .] be sure diehard fans, the original Soundtrack of THE KEEP
>has never seen the light of a day before.
Clarification: the *official* release of the original Soundtrack of
THE KEEP *had* never seen the light of a day before until the limited
edition TDI version.
>What you guys are talking about is a bootleg, containing some material
>from a German radio feature and some music copied directly from The
>Keep-Video, which has been commercially released years ago. We found it
>rather annoying to defend ourself against such silly reproaches by some
>fans who- with some research- should know better. [. . .]
This refers to the CD-R boot, THE COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP, of
which only about 15-40 copies were made. Even this featured music that
was not from the German radio feature nor the video. The more common
KEEP boot, of which about 300+ were pressed, has even more non-video
music from the film (or a TD recording session, as the case may be).
>[. . .] please don't explain us the difference between fiction and
>reality, O.K. [. . .]
Oops; you're absolutely right: Tangerine Dream outsells U2 five
to one on any given day. Ho ho.
>Message-Id: <199803250011.SAA03148@c...>
>Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:10:57 -0500 (EST)
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Sender: tadream@c...
>Subject: Re: Edgar speaks about 'The Keep'
>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
>
>Whoa, now it sounds like Eddie is confused. [. . .]
>This further implies that the official release
>b) the original version of the soundtrack, that was for some reason
> rejected at the 11th hour
This seems to be the case.
>None of this changes the fact that a version of the movie actually
>featuring a whole lot of the 'official' music is known.
Huh?!?
>
>I hate to point it out, but there are at least 3 versions of a Keep album
>(official or not)
>
>1) the usual boot
>2) the 'Complete Works of the Keep'
>3) the official version
>
>and
>4) the putative '84 LP.
>> really believe what's been printed on a bootleg or what producers of
>> such boots will sell you as a true story? Lots of boots we saw
>> contained [. . .]
>
>If you are legally prevented from telling us the real story, yes.
Glad you said it, rather than me. ;)
>Message-Id: <199803250205.UAA06007@c...>
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:03:06 EST
>Subject: More Edgar Posts
>Really-From: DAVENTURA
>
>Edgar writes:
>
>Very few times we're somehow frustrated and angry by being hit with
>stupid messages which may have left a drugfilled scatterbrain at 5am,
>just to block up our faxmachine with paperwaste.
>
>Hmm....Steve?
Oh brother. X-0
We'll see who has the last laugh with this 'There's no such thing
as a 1984 KEEP soundtrack album' business, I can assure you of that.
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Date: Wed Mar 25, 1998 3:32
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Subject: Video Dream Mixes
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A copy of the Video Dream Mixes just landed at HMV in Toronto this week,
retailing for the low, low price of $47 Canadian (which equals $33 U.S.).
I gave it a pass...
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: AOutland
>
>
> Gabe: he was just joking, get it? he can't stop listening to their music.
> LOL Dell
I guess I wasn't in a very joking mood at the time.
Haven't you ever gotten something in your head that you detested, yet you
couldn't stop listening to it, because that was the only way you felt you
could get it out?
Gabe
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>Really-From: 'Dave Lane'
>
>Go into your mailer and tell it to STOP sending HTML.
WHY should I ever have to worry about this??? How would HTML better help me
read my message (without tempting me to click on a link)? I just want to
read my mail. Stay away from Microsoft and Netscape. Eudora really
undersands what the user wants! In a practical sense, the best package you
can 'live' with.
Vic
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>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>> Really-From: DAVENTURA
>> Son, you are in a VERY small minority of Tangerine Dream fans. 90% of us
>> LOVE the soundtracks they have done and we recognize the compositional
>> qualities of their 1973-1986 music that are lacking in their 1987-1995
>> stuff. Say what you want, but you are pretty much alone in your thinking.
>>
>> Personally I hate all their music, just wish I could stop listening to
>> it....David
>
>Uh, so why do you even stay on this list?
So Gabe, did you miss the point?
Vic
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Subject: TD CD's still available!
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I have the following still available if anyone wants them.
LogosType
Man Inside
Collected Endings
& a few others.
Email me if you care.
Dano (not Vincent Spano) (& yes I have the OST for Over The Edge...but
you can't have it.....even though I KNOW you want it heh heh).
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> Really-From: DJS
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> Dano (not Vincent Spano) (& yes I have the OST for Over The Edge...but
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
the end is nigh
E-Man
np: Delerium, *Syrophenikan*
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Subject: TD Humor
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While I hope I haven't offended anyone on the list with my dark sense of
humor, I must publicly apologize to Mr. Feldman for....aww forget it....David
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>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
>On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
>
>> Really-From: DAVENTURA
>>
>>
>> Morgan writes:
>>
>>> Son, you are in a VERY small minority of Tangerine Dream fans. 90% of us
>>> LOVE the soundtracks they have done and we recognize the compositional
>>> qualities of their 1973-1986 music that are lacking in their 1987-1995
>>> stuff. Say what you want, but you are pretty much alone in your thinking.
>>
>> Personally I hate all their music, just wish I could stop listening to
>> it....David
>
>Uh, so why do you even stay on this list?
I think he's making a poor attempt at sarcasm...
Morgan
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Subject: Re: Old Or New Quinoa?
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At 10:24 AM 3/25/98 +0800, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
>
>>Really-From: feldon@p...
>>
>>
>>Reprinted without permission from the tadream website (Edgar, Jerome,
>>Stefan, please be gentle):
>>Among the first official releases you will definitely find TimeSquare/Dream
>>Mixes II, Ambient Monkeys, Transsiberia Soundtrack, Quinoa- the original
>>Fan Club CD now in full length
>
>Will this 'Quinoa in full length' be a new CD or old ones in their
>inventory? Who knows more?
My interpretation: At the very least, a repress, as they have sold all
their old ones. At the most, a new extended version...
Morgan
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Subject: Dolby Surround
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Just a question to the list-members:
Does anybody of you know witch TD-CD is dolby-surround-mastered
(the prologic - system) ?
If there is any one ?!
Rainer
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> Really-From: Steven Feldman
> Now *that's* something I can agree with. *I'm* willing to go the
> extra mile and put my money where my mouth is: I'll pay $200 for a good
> tape recording, DAT or CD-R of the album along with color reproductions
> of the front and back covers and spine of the LP.
So are you trying to suggest that this LP exists? ;-) I just love to
read those optimistic posts once in a while about the guy at the bar
that had a copy, the music store owner who recalls selling one, the
soundtrack collector who had one but gave it to a friend, etc..
BTW, Do you have the Asian release of The Keep laserdisc? It has a
different cover, maybe even a different ending..
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>> really believe what's been printed on a bootleg or what
producers of such
>> boots will sell you as a true story? Lots of boots we saw
contained
>If you are legally prevented from telling us the real story,
yes.
While I don't want to comment on the existance of a Keep LP, I
must say that in the course of my research for my book, I've noticed
several occasions where the official line differs from what really
happened. Sometimes this seems to have been unintentional (like Jerome
giving the wrong date for the Dresden show on ElectroBeats) or
deliberate (LiveMiles).
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At 02:02 PM 3/25/98 -0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: Rainer Rutka
>
>Just a question to the list-members:
>
>Does anybody of you know witch TD-CD is dolby-surround-mastered
>(the prologic - system) ?
>
>If there is any one ?!
I truly doubt there are, as this would require mastering to 5 different
channels of sound and then encoding this into 2 channels. The closest they
came to this was Destination Berlin.
Morgan
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>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>BTW, Do you have the Asian release of The Keep laserdisc? It has a
>different cover, maybe even a different ending..
>
>Vic
>
Vic,
From what I recall from the Japanese laserdisc, the ending is the same as
the US disc, since I have both in my collection.
Jeffrey
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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> >Really-From: Gabe Yedid
> >
> >On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> >
> >Whoa, now it sounds like Eddie is confused. [. . .]
> >This further implies that the official release
> >b) the original version of the soundtrack, that was for some reason
> > rejected at the 11th hour
>
> This seems to be the case.
My, you agree? ;) So you think that the official release might actually
have some 'authenticity' to it then? I have my doubts. Personally, I
think that the cuts that appeared as 'Romanian Road' and 'Fisherman's
Morning', (which on the official release under different titles, right?) are
*HIGHLY* atypical for TD of that period. They may have been interesting
experiments for that time, yes, but I think they are more likely doctored.
> >None of this changes the fact that a version of the movie actually
> >featuring a whole lot of the 'official' music is known.
>
> Huh?!?
Come on, Steve, you were one of the first people to point out the lack of
resemblance between the TDI release and music from any version of the movie
you had seen! Then again, there are 9 rumoured cuts of this movie, so
maybe *one* of them has some of the original music.
> >> really believe what's been printed on a bootleg or what producers of
> >> such boots will sell you as a true story? Lots of boots we saw
> >> contained [. . .]
> >
> >If you are legally prevented from telling us the real story, yes.
>
> Glad you said it, rather than me. ;)
Would you have at all? ;)
Gabe
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Subject: Copy from update on TD Website
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For anyone who has trouble viewing websites, here's the latest section from
TD's home page.
After about a year and a half of the existence of this homepage and a
six-figure entry scale, Jerome and myself thought about a little new
department within the page to adress a few issues which seemed to need
some clarification. It's not our desire to vote for or against our fan's
opinion. The freedom of choice and opinion must and always will be a
trademark of this homepage. We have never deleted your welcoming
greetings in our guestbook - except very few ones which clearly where
identified as statements of racism, blackmail, or had clear signatures
of misunderstanding a guestbook as an open door chatroom. It's our
attempt and effort to set a few records straight- cleaning some carpets
and supporting the positive attitude and atmosphere of this homepage.
Also, we'll take the chance to give our thankful respect to all of you
making TD's music to a more or less atmospheric companion in your daily
life.
To make the following statements a bit more organized, we'll set up
blocks which deal with various issues out of some controversial aspects
we've thought need to be clarified. Our statements here should not be
misinterpreted as being a part of a TD chatroom or reflecting the pros
and cons of certain aspects of public interests, nor should this section
replace the FAQ section of the TD web site. What you read here are
personal thoughts of the writers adressed to whom it may be concerned on
the endless human patterns of opinions, lifestyles, social attitudes,
religious or non-religious backgrounds, and finally the differences of
consciousness out there. Thank you for taking the time to read this -
it's personally written and impersonally sent.
1. The »boring« and the »genious« TD decades
We are very often surprised how agressive some people argue against the
newer TD releases and for the older ones. To make it absolutely clear,
there is nothing wrong if someone dislikes the newer stuff. But there is
a very simple and very effective solution to solve such »problems«: Just
buy what you like!
No one can or will force you to spend your sour earned money on
something you feel uncomfortable with. So nobody except you is taking
your creditcard out of your briefcase and handles it over to the
cashier's desk. It's as simple as that, isn't it?
But beyond such aspects there might be another psychological background
which some of our fans aren't aware of. Isn't it common practice that
people who turned older- relativetly saying- are always looking back in
time instead of facing today's reality or even better, trying to build
their own fiction about tomorow? Do those fans, grown up with TD's
70ies' and 80ies' material, look back to the maybe 'better times in
life' they personally went through in such days? That might be one
reason, but the newer experiences will not get more comfortable by
pressing them into the framework of yesterday- that's just a sentimental
illusion. So it is also an illusion for an artist to stick with an
artistic expression created 20 years ago- no matter how successful it
was in public.
We always have been very suspicious about those artists who 'always gave
the people what they wanted.' A true artist has to follow other patterns
and roads than those who just fulfill their fan's expectations. Artists
who are just following 'the crowd's clapping syndrom' often find
themselves waked up beyond the freaking loud curtain of glory in an icy
and silent little chamber of desillusion. Why? Live is a risk! True art
is born out of risk with a special view and attitude! Finally people
love others who take such risk - a kind of risk, they themselves may be
not able to deal with. That is the logical physio-chemical interference
between all of us. Some call it 'success'- unfortunately some artists
only can participate on a long run.
2. About a man who somedays hated arts and artists- reason enough to
start writing about this issue
Well, you're right, we'll talk a bit about our real loved ones. Let's
start with a little line by the American novelist Susan Sontag - maybe
after reading one of her book reviews, she wrote: Interpretation is the
revenge of the intellect upon art... and to interpret is to impoverish!
We would go even a bit further and ask: What interpretation can
emphasize revenge if the intellect of the writer is on vacation in the
Caribbean? So, who cares? Well, our loved ones should not be treated so
hardly, haven't they've gotten through one of the most uncomfortable
experiences in life, the lack of acknowledgement in their own efforts
becoming a successful artist? When good old Sophocles had to realize
that 'non love the messenger who brings bad news,' he might have seen a
futuristic projection on the hills of Athens. May he have focussed on
Uncle Ernie from a Chicago or London Journal, trying to save his
philosophical integrity by killing the Rock Act XYZ or a theatre
premiere on broadway with his lousy 400 bucks PC terminal? What a waste
of time.
We all can seriously imagine what state of mind a lonesome column writer
is into, saving the few bucks for his 12 liner and trying to get away
with a bit of a profile, which- after years- could give him some little
glimpse of immortality within the Uncle Ernie community. Hey people out
there, it's not only the artist who fails, right! And who are you,
occupying the right of shooting down the artists with your pen nib like
hunting animals out of the dark while sitting in a far away balcony? Are
there any exceptions? Of course there are! We've met some hard writing
species- and became friends, why? What rules did they follow? Did they
play the greasy game: Oh, my Harley died last night, but I do love your
new release so much, that I could imagine having a new Harley baby under
my ass very soon, got the message? Oh, yes we got it Ernie, but you
better borrow a rosty bike from your aunt. No, the true writers can buy
themselves ten Harleys in a row if they like, because they are
professionals and can affort it any time.
And the serious newcomers? They will also, one day- if not prostituting
themselves between the lines in a snobby sober wanna-bes' community. It
is a significant signature of a good writer, to be able to separate the
mediocrity in arts from those performances and activities who have the
originality and impact of being part of the »timeless story«. To find
out the edge which appears as a borderline between the two fields,
that's what critics, reviews and statements are there for. We would
modestly recommend what one of the older professionals in business said:
If there is any real doubt whether or not an artist delivered a true
work, it is better to vote for than against him; why? You as a writer
always have a second chance to correct yourself, the artist, once killed
by the medias, often hasn't.
Let's close that little chapter with a statement from the American
writer Karl Shapiro: The true artist sticks to his real loves, those
within the realms of possibility. He never holds hands with the God born
out of fearfull fantasies or the human race itself. He tries to follow
some of the more universal patterns!
3. Wouldn't it be nice to put all halfway professional 'knobfreaks' in a
little box and let 'em play the kiddy opera 'who gets the the most
enjoyable hookline out of a typewriter while riding a rubber dinghy'?
It's kind of a funny experience how often TD got artistically married to
other colleagues in the business. Well folks, your advise made us really
proud, specifically to be brought into the »neighbourhood« of some of
the huge human samples of the synth-orient and occident. Sorry, but we
can't help it; we don't have any heroes or ideals we would like to
follow or to »jam in a session together with«, seriously, it's not meant
to be arrogant. Musicians out of the synth league, if they see each
other in hotel lobbies or within airport lounges, definitely don't talk
about random oscillators or sequencer programs or possible recording
sessions. For sure they talk about the possibility of being ripped off
by their record companies, that's something we all have in common.
You see, we don't have to test each other about knowing the difference
between a screwdriver and a joystick. Other story, same issue: what
we've read in our guestbook a few month ago, made us just a bit
thoughtful. It was the harsh kind of statements by some fans for or
against other artists in comparison to TD. It doesn't matter if we
personally like, love or dislike other colleague's work, what counts is
the fact that neither Jerome nor myself would ever name and critisize a
colleague in public or say something respectless about a person who
hasn't any chance to defend himself. That is pure blackmail and is not
part of our behaviour. Apart from that, we would like to point to
earlier statements we've made as far as musical integrity in general is
concerned- on this level every musician has the same rights to offer his
work to the public. As we all know, the public has the freedom of choice
and will judge and vote by following the artist or not. All other
comments are a pure waste of time- so please respect a few rules, which
are hopefully left between intelligent humans. Thanks.
4. Every question from your side will be recognized
We care about what you think is important to know as far as TD
activities, present and past, are concerned - BUT ... take a few minutes
to consider the following: Lenny wrote: Why on your way to Tokyo you
didn't stop in my hometown Boisy here in Idaho, and come in for a drink-
we all love your music. (Really? Hey, cool Lenny in Boisytown, make us a
strong cup of coffee, we come right into your homekitchen on our way
back from Sydney!) Allison wrote: My daughter Nelly is a bit upset,
you've forgotten her birthday. (Sorry, Nellybaby). As you may know Nelly
is my two-year-old toddler and has collected all 57 records released by
TD. (What galaxy Hypernelly comes from?) We just realized that for her
needs, we don't need diapers twice a day anymore since she heard Rubycon
as a Tapeloop all night long. (For irregular intestine phenomena please
see your ...) Karen wrote: Having overcome our midlife crisis, our
sexlife became very interesting after my husband brought your records
into the house. Now we're kind of honeymooning all the time, from noon
to midnight ... (Wait, what are you doing in the morning hours? Why
taking such a useless break, listen to Electronic Meditation, the
ultimate aphroadisiac for all couples beyond their seventies!) ... etc.
Hey folks, we do have a very good developed sense of humor, as we hope
you have as well. So lots of mail, e-mail, faxes, phone calls and
various other messages have made us laugh, made us sometimes very
thoughtful, a few times we've been irritated by not knowing who the
writer wants to talk to in context to an issue we aren't familiar with.
Very few times we're somehow frustrated and angry by being hit with
stupid messages which may have left a drugfilled scatterbrain at 5am,
just to block up our faxmachine with paperwaste. So if you send us any
message, do not wait for an answer back within 24 hours. Do not think
that here in our main Berlin Office there are sitting just some arrogant
ignorants who don't care about the fans- that's not the case. But these
people have to make decisions wether or not somebody is approaching us
seriously or was just fooling around with his wordprocessor.
5. Why some records have been released at certain times - others have
not been released at all - where did some release confusions came from?
First of all: nearly every musician on this planet has neccesarely to
deal with companies in order to make his work known to the public, so
far- so bad. If you're young in the business you often sign up longtime
contracts which are far beyond any point of fairness against the artist.
Every musician, around for some time, went through such an experience in
his career- no matter if they are now superstars or all-time loosers.
Also TD is no exception from this rule, which by the way puts a few
record companies in a very strange position. But that's nothing to be
carried out to the public right now. Fact is, that some records from the
earlier years have not or just poorly been released, i.e. in the US and
elsewhere. Record company's decision. A few Soundtracks have been
released by third parties who claim the right to do so- the music on
this releases is, to our production standard, absolutely unacceptable.
So, with other words: from time to time there will be decisions made by
former business partners, which are or seem to be complete nonsense or
kind of an disadvantage for the music itself - now you may know why such
things can happen.
Other story: It has cost us a lot of time and energy to finally get THE
KEEP Soundtrack on to our Studio consoles for final release preparation.
The official release is planned by Virgin in March 98. Some 150 special
edition copies have been made available during our recent UK tour. Some
Fans who got one of these copies believe they've seen an earlier
official release back in the Eighties and start complaining about the
unsimilarity of the two records. Hold on you hardcore fans- we know that
you species always have known where we have to go to, what we have to
do, and finally who really has the ultimate right to justify what's good
or bad for the band to do. But be sure diehard fans, the original
Soundtrack of THE KEEP has never seen the light of a day before.
What you guys are talking about is a bootleg, containing some material
from a German radio feature and some music copied directly from The
Keep-Video, which has been commercially released years ago. We found it
rather enoying to defend ourself against such silly reproaches by some
fans who- with some research- should know better. By the way: will you
really believe what's been printed on a bootleg or what producers of
such boots will sell you as a true story? Lots of boots we saw contained
senseless infos- but that's the nature of boots, isn't it? What you
finally like or dislike musically is absolutely your choice, but please
don't explain us the difference between fiction and reality, O.K., never
mind.
6. What is the result of being frustrated with record companies?
You got it, of course we're working hard on our own label. Right now we
don't have a huge operation with hundreds of employees behind us, but
things are getting better every day. So within the next year, we hope to
collect our own catalogoue with over 25 releases which will include
older TD material, cuts from live concerts on various places, a
selection from so far unreleased Soundtrack music, and of course some
surprises a few of you will definitely be happy to put their hands on.
We will let you know through this Website how and when you can make your
first orders directly here, or through which Distribution companies
these products will reach the dealers' slots near you. Among the first
official releases you will definitely find TimeSquare/Dream Mixes II,
Ambient Monkeys, Transsiberia Soundtrack, Quinoa- the original Fan Club
CD now in full length, Dream Encores -containing most TD concert encores
of various decades- just to name a few. Also on a TDI special section,
we will feature artists TD has produced and will also support their
first releases. So watch this site for more details, coming soon.
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Date: 03/25/1998 12:36 pm (Wednesday)
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I really hope that it is a poor German to English translation, or lack of
decent editing, because the writing in the Focus the Facts section of the
TD Page reads like the confused ramblings of a paranoid schizophrenic.
Those of you who are interested in conspiracy theories and Kooks in
general, will know what I mean.
Kevin Earley
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>Really-From: 'TORONTO.TOR1':KEarley_at_GW-TOR1@r...
>
>I really hope that it is a poor German to English translation, or lack of
>decent editing, because the writing in the Focus the Facts section of the
>TD Page reads like the confused ramblings of a paranoid schizophrenic.
I know a few of his statements he gave in the German language.
Based on that I´m sure it´s translated correctly.
I wouldn´t call it 'paranoid schizophrenic', though. ;-)
What I actually thought about the mentioned text
is that Edgar is an **** .
Reminds me a bit on Wagner who was a great musician/composer
but as a person... (you know what I mean).
Regards
Jens
PS: As noone seems to be interested in non-td reviews
(AC or bloody superb new acts in the TD vein) it´s better
not to annoy you all with such stuff.
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
I'm finally getting a chance for a breath (and that only ;-) and I read
edgar and jerome's rampage on the official website... now, can someone
please interpret it for me ??
what the heck are 'rosty bikes' and 'harley baby under my ass very soon'
supposed to mean? I'm more than a little confused... maybe it goes back to
that thing they implied about not interpreting.... (which of course is a
misunderstanding of the nature of communication...) then there's the
'snobby sober wanna-bes community' -- are they speaking here of LA/CF??
are 'knobfreaks' gearheads or are they journalists? and what is 'kiddy
opera'?? and WHO is 'uncle ernie'? is this a reference to the pedophile
from the the Who's rock opera 'Tommy'?? ('I'm your wicked uncle ernie / and
you won't hear or see me / while I fiddle about, fiddle about') is He a
nerd regent?
and what's this about a 'drugfilled scatterbrain at 5am,' does anyone else
see any irony here? (in case you're not clear, I'm comparing the
'coherency' [ironic use of quotations] of their statement with the
non-sensical fan comments to which they seem to be responding) and whose
'loves' are they talking about? their family or their music? are they
speaking to anyone in particular? does anyone really understand this?
oh lord the explicatory amusement one could have with this...
can someone please tell me where all this criticism is coming from? the
press (I've seen nothing but good); the website guest book (I don't have
the time to read it); this ML?? and just why do they feel the need to reply
so vehemently against fan-critics? especially when opinion is always on
there side in fan circles... this just makes it look like they are turning
on those of a lower stature... it also sounds like there is a translation
problem here... still this just comes off like a not-well thought out
shotgun rant against some unnamed critics and some fans who've left entries
in the guestbook. if you're going to have a rant on your own home page, at
least make it a coherent, well-thought out and accurate rant... otherwise
be ready for the criticism (and this ain't it... yet)
please help!
lars (my own rant)
ps I've been forced into digest mode since i don't have time to delete all
those excess mails...
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>After about a year and a half of the existence of this homepage
and a
. . .
>first releases. So watch this site for more details, coming
soon.
I hate myself for saying this, but two words went through my
head
as I read this: bitter a**holes. Maybe they shouldn't have
stopped
doing drugs in '73.
Scott
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On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'TORONTO.TOR1':KEarley_at_GW-TOR1@r...
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>
> From: Kevin EARLEY
>
> I really hope that it is a poor German to English translation, or lack of
> decent editing, because the writing in the Focus the Facts section of the
> TD Page reads like the confused ramblings of a paranoid schizophrenic.
> Those of you who are interested in conspiracy theories and Kooks in
> general, will know what I mean.
>
> Kevin Earley
> kearley@r...
>
well, keep in mind that English is not Edgar's first language, so he
probably thinks stuff out with German structure and then writes it down,
pretty much directly translated. Then again, I have heard from some
folks who have heard him on German radio that he pretty much rambles in
German, too.
Gabe
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> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> > Really-From: Steven Feldman
> > Now *that's* something I can agree with. *I'm* willing to go the
> > extra mile and put my money where my mouth is: I'll pay $200 for a good
> > tape recording, DAT or CD-R of the album along with color reproductions
> > of the front and back covers and spine of the LP.
>
> So are you trying to suggest that this LP exists? ;-) I just love to
> read those optimistic posts once in a while about the guy at the bar
> that had a copy, the music store owner who recalls selling one, the
> soundtrack collector who had one but gave it to a friend, etc..
>
> BTW, Do you have the Asian release of The Keep laserdisc? It has a
> different cover, maybe even a different ending..
>
> Vic
it does have a different ending...remember the one with Edgar fighting
off the Nazi's with his Gibson les paul? Well, that's the one.
Dano
np: Green Ice (B. Wyman)...and Eli...admit it...you think Ryan O Neal is
a sex god...yeehahahahahaha!!!
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
> This comes from the TD Webpage:
> -------------------------------
>
> Other story: It has cost us a lot of time and energy to finally get THE
> KEEP Soundtrack on to our Studio consoles for final release preparation.
> The official release is planned by Virgin in March 98.
just one thing about this 'preparation':
What kind of consoles gives digi-noise ( hear track 3, at 00'41' and
00'50')? This diginoise it typical of a DAT error cancellation
algorithm.
Given the high noise level and several artifacts appearing in this CD it
seems this recording is a raw DAT copy from an analog tape ( probably
not the master tape but a 1st or 2nd generation copy). Maybe they did
DQC mastering but the spectrum analysis of the digital signal does not
give the characteristic 16 kHz peak of a dithered signal... ooh! it
seems is a standard 16 bit A/D conversion. Anyway, with that big noise
it's useless to do a 20 bit A/D and then do the dither since the noise
itself is big enough to do this effect by itself.
Judging by the date ( February,1983 according to the credits in this
special edition) this recording is in a much worse bad shape than
tangram, White Eagle, Poland, Thief etc.; all from the same period.
Anyway, I must say I love this CD!! The music is worth every penny.
---Francisco
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
I use adhesive stick to do it. It uses a water-soluble glue. Maybe it's
the same you reefer.
I don't undestand the term mucilage.
My Longman dictionary says:
mu-ci·lage/n [U] any of various kinds of sticky liquid obtained from
plants and used esp. as GLUE.
So it's basically the same info as in your message.
---francisco
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>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>Then again, I have heard from some folks who have heard him on German radio
> that he pretty much rambles in German, too.
Quite. On a German video interview I saw recently,
he was rambling and confused.
To my surprise he even didn´t answer the questions properly.
Odd Ed.
Jens
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On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> I hate myself for saying this, but two words went through my
> head
> as I read this: bitter a**holes. Maybe they shouldn't have
> stopped
> doing drugs in '73.
>
I wonder how much of this bitterness is Jerome's, though.
With any luck, he's not letting his father's attitudes go to his head too
much. Hopefully, he will realize that things like this only serve to
ultimately alienate the band's fan base, and be a kinder, gentler TD
frontman for it.
Gabe
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In a message dated 98-03-25 13:46:44 EST, you write:
<< still this just comes off like a not-well thought out
shotgun rant against some unnamed critics and some fans who've left entries
in the guestbook. if you're going to have a rant on your own home page, at
least make it a coherent, well-thought out and accurate rant... otherwise
be ready for the criticism (and this ain't it... yet)
please help!
>>
u want help? ignore the rambling...who gives a shit what they have to
say....let the music speak for itself...
tom w
np: rootsman - 52 days to timbuktu
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<< Ignore the rambling...who gives a shit what they have to
say....let the music speak for itself...
tom w
>>
That must explain why most of their albums have no lyrics...huh?....David
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Lars writes:
<< what the heck are 'rosty bikes' and 'Harley baby under my ass very soon'
supposed to mean? I'm more than a little confused... >>
I can only assume he meant 'rusty,' and the Harley baby would be a new bike.
Harley Davidson, very well know motorcycle in America, if you're a Hell's
Angel...
Hope that helps....David
n.p...Manuel Gottsching..E2-E4...Thanks Vic..Did you give this thing a listen?
It's amazing, well maybe not amazing, but very enjoyable.
I'm on a TD Boycott right now, until Edgar apologizes for calling me a
drugfilled scatterbrain...hehe
I guess we have a topic for next week, huh?
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At 10:03 PM 3/24/98 EST, you wrote:
>>
>>Why does everyone on this list feel inclined to persecute
>>Steve Feldman because of his quest?
>
> Envy. Pure envy.
In yer dreams, pal, in yer dreams!
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Did anyone notice that the track listing on the TD webpage contains an
extra track? Might this only be on the DVD? (Spanish Love)
MJ
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
I refrained from commenting about the new TD Manifesto yesterday, feeling
it would be prudent to consider my words for a while. Which is probably
a good thing. My initial reaction was one of amusement. I found the
overall tone of the piece to be condescending and hostile, and a few ripe
comments came immediately to mind. But I held them in.
Regretably, even with the perspective of another 24 hours, I find that I
still take issue with the way the Froese boys are arguing their case.
First of all, their choice of title (Tangerine Dream Focus the
Facts) suggests that they alone have access to The Truth. Which of
course is the case when it's your own webpage and can present whatever
Truth you prefer. They then go on to pepper their manifesto
with references to Great Works and Big Thinkers (Sophocles, Sontag), which
to me looks like a way of positioning themselves as beings which exist on
a higher plane, above the unwashed masses. Classic elitist ArtThink, if
you ask me.
You're right, Lars...it does come off as a rant against unnamed critics.
On the one hand, they claim to welcome all opinions, but on the other
hand belittle anyone with the audacity to disagree with *their* point of
view, and actually mock the kinds of questions that some fans ask in the
guestbook. They issue this diatriabe, and them shut off debate by
making it clear that this is not 'part of a TD chatroom'. Again, this
gets back to the 'Focus the Facts' title. *They* have the facts, and the
rest of us are just confused and backward, living in the past. Yet, how
do they account for their ongoing reverance for 60s rock music while
poo-pooing other contemporary electronic musicians?
I think they misinterpret the motivation of fans who criticize their
recent work. They seem to see it as the mewling of heathens, the
bourgeois who just don't understand True Art when they hear it. I prefer
to see such criticism as the suggestions of fans who respect the band
but are challenging them to do better. They say that art and life are
about risk, but where was the risk in an album like Turn of the Tides?
This kind of posturing rings hollow if you can't deliver the goods to back
it up. It's no surprise that Dream Mixes has proven to be their most
praised album of recent years, because it actually *is* different.
While I appreciate that Edgar and Jerome are listening to their fans, I
wish they'd choosen a bit more conciliatory approach than this to
acknowledge it.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
>well, keep in mind that English is not Edgar's first language, so he
>probably thinks stuff out with German structure and then writes it down,
>pretty much directly translated. Then again, I have heard from some
>folks who have heard him on German radio that he pretty much rambles in
>German, too.
Ha, reminds me of some dutch actors (rutger hauer, verhoeven) who went
to Hollywood and couldn't speak 'right' dutch again (nor can they speak
'right' american).
But I'm also guilty on this: I'm also not that good at english. (I try, I
try!)
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
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Subject: The Keep
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Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves
I find it interesting that a lot of people are getting mad at Edgar
Froese for having posted some remarks about what constitutes an 'official'
soundtrack score album for The Keep. Not counting the LP version - since no
one lays claim to having it, the only official album to date is the one
Virgin will finally be releasing. It will not have all of the music used in
every version of The Keep, nor will it have all of the music that Tangerine
Dream composed for the film. It will have the music that the band feels
bests represents what they intended for the movie and the album.
There may also be limitations on which music he has access to. This
cannot be remedied easily so they have clearly taken the path of least
resistance here. They are presenting to the buying public, for the first
time, score music for the film from the materials they can present to us. At
least Edgar and company are trying to release some of the music from the
film. I am glad both as a collector and a long time fan of their music.
The bootlegs may have compiled music that was thought to have been
composed for the film, or heard in various versions of the movie. Just
because the music was stated as being composed for the film by non-band
people, does not make it so. Not all music used in movies was ever composed
for that film specifically. A lot of films use recycled music from other
films, and music by other composers who go uncredited but still supplied
music to the film. And sometimes, the music played by the band (Tangerine
Dream included) was not composed by them, but was played by them. And at
other times some composers have supplied sound-alike music as filler for
scenes, that may not have been supplied by TD, but the director felt worked
better in the scene or was able to get quickly.
In the end, The Keep soundtrack will be music that was composed and
played by Tangerine Dream. Since they are finally releasing their version of
the score album, I am looking forward to it. It is better than the music
never seeing an official release at all.
So how about stopping the crying about what you are not getting, and
appreciate what you are finally being allowed to buy and enjoy.
CHEERS...Matt
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Date: Wed Mar 25, 1998 8:57
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Subject: Re: I really hope that it is a poor German to English translatio
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>
> >Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
> >Then again, I have heard from some folks who have heard him on German radio
> > that he pretty much rambles in German, too.
>
> Quite. On a German video interview I saw recently,
> he was rambling and confused.
>
> To my surprise he even didn´t answer the questions properly.
>
> Odd Ed.
>
> Jens
>
Actually I think that's pretty serious. Are we seeing signs of
early-onset artery-hardening/senility here?
Gabe
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Subject: Re: I really hope that it is a poor German to English translatio
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>Quite. On a German video interview I saw recently,
>he was rambling and confused.
>
>To my surprise he even didn´t answer the questions properly.
Maybe he's getting real old now.
Or he gets too much (of the same) questions from fans like us.
Marcel
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Date: Wed Mar 25, 1998 9:35
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Subject: Legality of MIDI files?
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
I just stumbled on a site that uses a MIDI of Oldfield's Tubular Bells,
and others. How legal is that? Couldn't they get in trouble? Does
Oldfield have a site or email that I could report this to?
Scott
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Date: Wed Mar 25, 1998 9:40
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Subject: Re: The Keep
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves
>
So how about stopping the crying about what you are not getting, and
>appreciate what you are finally being allowed to buy and enjoy.
Ahhh, finally some pos. messages!
You took the words right out of my mouth, Math.
Marcel
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Date: Wed Mar 25, 1998 8:59
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Subject: Re: Daventura's Interpretation
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Really-From: Vic Rek
> Really-From: DAVENTURA
> n.p...Manuel Gottsching..E2-E4...Thanks Vic..Did you give this thing a listen?
> It's amazing, well maybe not amazing, but very enjoyable.
> I'm on a TD Boycott right now, until Edgar apologizes for calling me a
> drugfilled scatterbrain...hehe
> I guess we have a topic for next week, huh?
Hey David, you're a funny guy :-)
BTW, is the Pope Catholic? Of course I have my own copy of E2-E4, just
have to share this great music with a fellow fan!
And speaking of fans, I had a chance to meet up with Craig Shipley and
Elana Who? at the Atlanta Airport last night. I found Craig by carrying
around a sign and I (we) found Elana by her rainbow cap and the infamous
over-sized trout :-)
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Subject: Re: Daventura's Interpretation
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>And speaking of fans, I had a chance to meet up with Craig Shipley and
>Elana Who? at the Atlanta Airport last night. I found Craig by carrying
>around a sign and I (we) found Elana by her rainbow cap and the infamous
>over-sized trout :-)
Tell us all ! :)
Jens
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Date: Wed Mar 25, 1998 10:16
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Subject: Re: Legality of MIDI files?
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Really-From: DAVENTURA
<< Does Oldfield have a site or email that I could report this to?
Scott >>
I remember someone saying something about one. Did you try a Net Search? That
reminds me, I have a wav of 'Please welcome Tangerine Dream' from Logos....Am
I in trouble too?....David
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Date: Wed Mar 25, 1998 11:26
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Subject: Re: Copy from update on TD Website
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Really-From: David Datta
Many is the time when I thought of writing a rant such as theirs when I
was running the music & lyrics archives. You would not BELIEVE the
number of demanding, infantile, rude, and just plain crazy messages I
got in e-mail and as uploads from people who were of the opinion that I
'owed' them something because I ran the site.
I know where he is coming from and while I don't think they should have
put up the message, but I certainly agree with some of his points.
Unfortunately, many of the people who really need to understand the
messages he is trying to give won't 'get it', mostly because of the
way it was written.
-Dave
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Date: Wed Mar 25, 1998 11:46
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Subject: tape trees update + 3 & 4
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
dreamers
We know those of you on the euro & digital branches are waiting for your
tapes. there was a slight delay on this end and on that end; the tapes
will be distributed shortly (partly it was a matter of waiting for the
mail...). I will update you as soon as I know more. I apologize for any
delays on my end; I'm sure the material will be worth it.
in the meantime, we will postpone starting the d:live discussion until
you've had a chance to receive the tapes
now, we are getting ready to start trees 3 & 4 so as not to delay
everything else; here's what's planned:
------------------------------------------------------------
tree 3 (2c90s + c100)
--> c90 #1
8.16.75 Orange (Festival Pop d'Orange, Theatre Antique et Gymnase)
59 min. (Au) MC
(4th generation; Oranges From France; Seekers of Dreams)
10.16.75 Liverpool (Cathedral) full encore 20 min. (Au) MC
PLUS:
--> c90#2:
9.23.75 Reims (Opera House) 85 min. (Au) MC
PLUS:
--> c100#1
10.16.75 Liverpool (Cathedral) 100 min (Au) MC
-------------------------------------------------------------
tree 4: (3c90s)
--> c90#1
2.9.76 Brussels (Jansen University) 105 min (Au) MC
(2nd gen? & 3rd gen)
PLUS
--> c90 #2
11.22.76 Paris (Palais du Sport) 109 min (Au) MC
(1st gen? & 2nd gen.)
PLUS
--> c90 #3:
6.27.76 Berlin (Philharmonic) 33 min. (FM) CDR
(The Dream Is Not Always The
Same [best]; Danger Live, part 2; Tape Trax 2)
2.9.76 Brussels (Jansen University) 105 min (Au) MC
(--part 2)
11.22.76 Paris (Palais du Sport) 109 min (Au) MC
(--part 2)
--------------------------------------------------
if you have any masters or lo-gen tapes, please let tom w know...
the formal call for participation will be going out in the near future so
please don't try sign up yet and confuse us or we'll send the 'rosty
bikers' and 'harley babies under your ass' out to 'boisy' after you ;-)
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59
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Subject: EO and presets
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Really-From: pal szatmari
Hello everyone,
I'm another freshman. Just like Marek I joined
the list a few days ago.
I am also interested in EO CD set. Can anyone
help me out?
I have been following your critical exchanges
with a kind of detachment: I am not going to
influence anyone by revewing TD tracks. I think
music is individually experienced making its
way to people in different ways. Of course I
have my favourites, too and they might not
coincide with others' but it does not mean
that the music is to blame.
Having read a great number of your messages,
I know this one will cause a stir.
One more thing: I do not understand you guys
arguing over presets and original sounds.
Let TD decide what sounds to use: they are
the musicians, we are the audience. Music
is not just patches and sounds. TD is known
for creating unique COMPOSITIONS as well as
being trailbrazers in inventing the necessary
sounds need be.
Paul
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From:
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: So, QUINOA & 'Silver Scale' are both excerpts, eh?
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:53:49 -0600
>Subject: Re: Old Or New Quinoa?
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: feldon@p...
>
>At 10:24 AM 3/25/98 +0800, you wrote:
>>Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
>>
>>Will this 'Quinoa in full length' be a new CD or old ones in their
>>inventory? Who knows more?
>
>My interpretation: At the very least, a repress, as they have sold all
>their old ones. At the most, a new extended version...
*My* guess is that--much like the case with 'Silver Scale' (TANGENTS)
--the track known as QUINOA is--like 'Oriental Haze' (ROCKOON CD-single,
220 VOLT LIVE)--but a portion of a larger piece in the first place, so
that all Edgar really has to do is add the part that was missing onto
the release known as QUINOA.
And while we're on the subject, I wish *somebody* would make it so
that the first two parts of LOGOS (Side One and the bulk of Side Two on
the LOGOS LP) were one unit rather than being linked by a fade-out and
fade-in.
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Thu Mar 26, 1998 1:17
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Subject: Logos in one
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> And while we're on the subject, I wish *somebody* would make it so
> that the first two parts of LOGOS (Side One and the bulk of Side Two on
> the LOGOS LP) were one unit rather than being linked by a fade-out and
> fade-in.
But this *has* been done, on the Virgin Definitive Edition of Logos. On
the version of it that I have, anyway.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Date: Thu Mar 26, 1998 1:56
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Subject: Re: Edgar is Not Omniscient nor Infallible
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> > BTW, Do you have the Asian release of The Keep laserdisc? It has a
> > different cover, maybe even a different ending..
> >
> > Vic
>
> it does have a different ending...remember the one with Edgar fighting
> off the Nazi's with his Gibson les paul? Well, that's the one.
There's a 50-copy ltd. edition of that laserdisc wih the restored 45-second
sequence where Ed points his guitarneck to the ground, twists a knob, and
makes likes The Rocketeer. Ed's rocket-guitar blasts him straight up to the
orbiting satellite manned by Chris Franke and Wolfgang Palm. ...btw,
Florian from Kraftwerk was originally considered for scott Glenn's role.
> Dano
>
> np: Green Ice (B. Wyman)...and Eli...admit it...you think Ryan O Neal is
> a sex god...yeehahahahahaha!!!
Dude, that OST's by Bill Wyman? (not the Stones' ex-bassist Wyman)... Wyman
& Terry Taylor did that way cool 'Opera Theme' for Opera, plus 'Valley' for
Creepers/Phenomena. It *must* be good for an OST.
Ryan's cool because he reminds me of Dirk Diggler, hahahahaha! So bring
that vid...I wanna see Kate's ta-ta's.
E-Man
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: On Edgar's Lack of Omniscience and THE KEEP
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Message-Id: <199803251618.KAA21657@c...>
>Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:18:47 -0500 (EST)
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Subject: Re: Edgar is Not Omniscient nor Infallible
>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
>
>> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>>
>> >Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>> >
>> >On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
>> >
>> >Whoa, now it sounds like Eddie is confused. [. . .]
>> >This further implies that the official release
>> >b) the original version of the soundtrack, that was for some reason
>> > rejected at the 11th hour
>>
>> This seems to be the case.
>
>My, you agree? ;) So you think that the official release might actually
>have some 'authenticity' to it then? [. . .]
Yes, *some*, insofar as Michael Mann seems to have wound up using
a lot of music from LOGOS and some from RUBYCON for the film. But then,
what about the boatload of stuff on the Blue Moon boot and the CD-R boot
that *was* used in the film yet is not on LOGOS nor the TDI ltd. ed. of
THE KEEP?
>[. . .] I have my doubts. Personally, I think that the cuts that
>appeared as 'Romanian Road' and 'Fisherman's Morning', (which on the
>official release under different titles, right?) are *HIGHLY* atypical
>for TD of that period. [. . .]
Atypical, yes; *highly* atypical, though? Not really. How about
the stuff on the 'Das Machen auf der Treppe' 12'? 'Moorland' is on this
12'--and a remix of this is in the film, THE KEEP [specifically, track
14 of the Blue Moon boot, 'The Keep 'Mid Theme' (remix)' (1:50), and
track 7 of the CD-R boot, 'Crossing Saver' (4:02), the latter of which
is the 1st part of the two Moorland variants that appear in the movie].
And how about the versions of 'The Dream is Always the Same' and 'Love
on a Real Train' that appeared on the first two LP pressings of RISKY
BUSINESS (and now on ELECTRONIC ORGY)? They sound more like tracks
from LEGEND than anything else, and yet LEGEND wasn't released until
1986, where as RISKY BUSINESS was in 1983.
>[. . .] They may have been interesting experiments for that time, yes,
>but I think they are more likely doctored.
For that matter, I think that a good 50% of the TDI ltd. ed. of THE
KEEP is atypical of TD of the time. Track 3, 'The Silver Seal' (3:07),
is reminiscent of material on HYPERBOREA and of 'Love Phantasy' off the
FLASHPOINT soundtrack--which is one of the most unusual TD tracks ever.
Track 5, 'Arx Allemand' (4:24), is a jaunty, neo-classical tune that
sounds somewhat like a combination of the styles of Tomita and Walter/
Wendy Carlos, and brings to mind a funkified version of 'Hobo March'
(a/k/a 'Ode to Granny A' off Edgar's AGES album). Track 10, 'Love and
Destiny' (3:31), is reminiscent of material on the DESTINATION BERLIN
soundtrack, even though DB is from 1989 and THE KEEP is from 1983! And
last but not least, track 13, 'Parallel Worlds' (4:29), is unique and
unlike any thing else TD has done. I have all four of Johannes' albums,
and it my guess that this track is 100% Johannes' doing since I don't
hear any Froese influence on it whatsoever.
>> >None of this changes the fact that a version of the movie actually
>> >featuring a whole lot of the 'official' music is known.
Despite the fact that you commented on my comment of 'Huh?' I still
don't understand the sentence above. It's not that I agree or disagree;
I just plain don't understand what you're saying. It's something to do
with the syntactic structure of the sentence, I think.
>> >> really believe what's been printed on a bootleg or what producers
>> >> of such boots will sell you as a true story? Lots of boots we saw
>> >> contained [. . .]
>> >
>> >If you are legally prevented from telling us the real story, yes.
>>
>> Glad you said it, rather than me. ;)
>
>Would you have at all? ;)
If *you* hadn't? Perhaps. I'm not sure. Maybe.
>Message-Id: <199803252051.OAA00849@c...>
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Subject: The Keep
>Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:50:44 +0000
>Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves
>
> I find it interesting that a lot of people are getting mad at Edgar
>Froese for having posted some remarks about what constitutes an 'official'
>soundtrack score album for The Keep. Not counting the LP version - since no
>one lays claim to having it, the only official album to date is the one
>Virgin will finally be releasing.
Does that make the TDI ltd. ed. CD *'unofficial'*, then?!? If so,
that would mean that there are *five* unofficial THE KEEP albums:
o the 1984 LP
o the THE KEEP by the Fantasy Merchants CD
o the Blue Moon CD boot
o the CD-R boot
o the TDI ltd. ed. CD
> In the end, The Keep soundtrack will be music that was composed and
>played by Tangerine Dream. Since they are finally releasing their
>version of the score album, [. . .]
Their *current* *TANGENTS-ized* version, more like. I suspect that
what is on the 1984 is a different selection of tracks, and that those
tracks that are shared between the two releases have different mixes.
>[. . .] I am looking forward to it. It is better than the music
>never seeing an official release at all.
Well, *that's* fairly inarguable. ;)
> So how about stopping the crying about what you are not getting,
>and appreciate what you are finally being allowed to buy and enjoy.
What I am 'finally being *allowed* to buy and enjoy'?!? Praised
be to Edgar for allowing us poor sinners the opportunity to share in
more of His blessed bounty--of which we are not worthy . . . not!
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>> To my surprise he even didn´t answer the questions properly.
>>
>> Odd Ed.
>>
>> Jens
>Actually I think that's pretty serious. Are we seeing signs of
>early-onset artery-hardening/senility here?
>Gabe
Norse gods aren't subject to the ailments and diseases we mere mortals must
contend with.
E-Man
np: yo' mama
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Subject: Re: Legality of MIDI files?
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
> I just stumbled on a site that uses a MIDI of Oldfield's Tubular Bells,
> and others. How legal is that? Couldn't they get in trouble? Does
> Oldfield have a site or email that I could report this to?
I'd leave it alone. One day *you* might wanna use a MIDI of TD's 'Wahn,'
for, I dunno, something :-)
hehe
E-Man
np
np: wif myse'f
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>Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>>And speaking of fans, I had a chance to meet up with Craig Shipley and
>>Elana Who? at the Atlanta Airport last night. I found Craig by carrying
>>around a sign and I (we) found Elana by her rainbow cap and the infamous
>>over-sized trout :-)
>
>Tell us all ! :)
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around in The Nederlands ;)
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>> And while we're on the subject, I wish *somebody* would make it so
>> that the first two parts of LOGOS (Side One and the bulk of Side Two on
>> the LOGOS LP) were one unit rather than being linked by a fade-out and
>> fade-in.
>
>But this *has* been done, on the Virgin Definitive Edition of Logos. On
>the version of it that I have, anyway.
Take a closer listen: where one section ends and the other begins,
there is a such a noticeable dip in the decibel levels that it might as
well be a fade out/fade in.
Am I the only one who thinks this?
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> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
> >Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves
> >
> So how about stopping the crying about what you are not getting, and
> >appreciate what you are finally being allowed to buy and enjoy.
>
> Ahhh, finally some pos. messages!
> You took the words right out of my mouth, Math.
Yeah! Go, Marcel! Hoo! Hoo! Hoo! Hoo!
btw, your musick'z vewy kewl...review soon...
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Sean writes:
> And while we're on the subject, I wish *somebody* would make it so
> that the first two parts of LOGOS (Side One and the bulk of Side Two on
> the LOGOS LP) were one unit rather than being linked by a fade-out and
> fade-in.
Yeah, kinda reminds me off my old Pioneer 8-Track. On the Styx album, Renegade
faded out, click to track 3, and it faded back in. Annoying as hell....David
I'm pretty sure that today's CD players have a forward scan function, in fact
my remote even has a button that I can push, and it likes moves forward in the
tune. Amazing thing...technology...David
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In a message dated 98-03-25 15:58:06 EST, you write:
<< So how about stopping the crying about what you are not getting, and
appreciate what you are finally being allowed to buy and enjoy.
>>
bootlegs and taping!
tom w
np: gwu 77....
ps: this rambling thing kinda redeems behind the horizon in a small way, huh?
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In a message dated 98-03-25 16:32:29 EST, you write:
<< I just stumbled on a site that uses a MIDI of Oldfield's Tubular Bells,
and others. How legal is that? Couldn't they get in trouble? Does
Oldfield have a site or email that I could report this to?
>>
why do you care?
tom w
np: tubular bells in nyc 82
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In a message dated 98-03-25 18:48:45 EST, you write:
<< if you have any masters or lo-gen tapes, please let tom w know...
>>
seriously people, anything you may have stashed away from 75 or 76 that you
believe would interest us fans would be appreciated...let me know...thanks...
tom w
np: bullitnuts - another day at the orifice
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what's a tape tree?
John Majka
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In a message dated 98-03-25 21:09:40 EST, you write:
<< hehe
E-Man
np
np: wif myse'f
>>
ur a sick puppy....santana as background?
tom w
np: soul sacrifice
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Mr. Feldman writes:
<< Atypical, yes; *highly* atypical, though? Not really. How about
the stuff on the 'Das Machen auf der Treppe'
One of their best tunes from that period...IMHO
And how about the versions of 'The Dream is Always the Same' and 'Love
on a Real Train' that appeared on the first two LP pressings of RISKY
BUSINESS (and now on ELECTRONIC ORGY)? They sound more like tracks
from LEGEND than anything else, and yet LEGEND wasn't released until
1986, where as RISKY BUSINESS was in 1983. >>
I'm not sure what Soundtrack you're listening to, but almost everything except
LOART (which I never grow tired of) was previously released. The intro from
Tangram and Stratosfear, cuts from Force Majeure. On the other hand, Legend
is almost original in its composition.
N.P. Ventura '92...Disc 1...Man I love these CDR's....David
On my little Sony bookshelf system w/ simulated surround sound listening with
my top of the line Sony MDR-V6 Headphones...Man oh man...what a treat for the
senses.
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> Really-From: TWeibre361
>
>
> np: wif myse'f
> >>
>
> ur a sick puppy....santana as background?
haha....'evil ways' as a matter of fact, hahahaha!
E-Man
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<< Take a closer listen: where one section ends and the other begins,
there is a such a noticeable dip in the decibel levels that it might as
well be a fade out/fade in.
Am I the only one who thinks this?
-- Steven Feldman >>
I must (bowing) admit that I agree with you completely. I have listened to
Logos at least 300 times. ( and that was just last week) I understand
splitting it for the LP, but couldn't we just remix a minute or two so it's
seamless? Kinda reminds me of Wish You Were Here, Shine on You Crazy Diamond
(Steve's theme song, in my mind)....Damn angry underappreciated Germans and
Brits. Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong....David
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<< what's a tape tree? >>
It's where we all get together and trade and distribute stuff that The Mad
Edgar makes no money from. It is a good way of building up our collection and
possibly getting some rare or unheard stuff at the same time. We have another
tree forming soon, so keep your eyes peeled on this channel. Is that a good
explanation guys?...David
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At 12:40 PM 3/25/1998, Kevin Earley wrote:
>I really hope that it is a poor German to English translation, or lack of
>decent editing, because the writing in the Focus the Facts section of the
>TD Page reads like the confused ramblings of a paranoid schizophrenic.
>Those of you who are interested in conspiracy theories and Kooks in
>general, will know what I mean.
Pretty strong statement from someone who obviously has never interviewed a
paranoid-schizophrenic.
I don't personally know Edgar Froese, although I know a bit of his history
and a little about his development as an artist. While I don't necessarily
agree with everything he says and don't like some of his music, I am
convinced he is a true genius.
If one reads the biographies of geniuses, their diaries, or, when
available, interviews with or about them, it becomes quite clear that they
are 'listening to a different drummer' than the rest of us mere mortals. I,
for one, can't even fathom what it must be like to hear the hundreds of
tunes a Beethoven must have heard in his mind (even when deaf), or the what
a Dali or a Michelangelo must have seen when they looked at a blank canvas
or ceiling. And yes, despite their obvious foibles and short-comings, the
Edgar Froeses, Klaus Schulzes and David Gilmours of our world exist in a
realm that most of us can't even imagine.
So, personally, I expect them to be incoherent sometimes, at least by our
standards, defensive like any other human being, sensitive when their
life's work is criticized and even peevish or temperamental at times. Has
anyone read a Dali interview? Or one with Anatoly Karpov?
I imagine that some, reading the Froeses little diatribe will feel
uncomfortable. Some will think this man doesn't make sense.' Not only is he
not a native English speaker, but he speaks/writes as he is...as he feels.
Well, that's where that wonderful music comes from. I rejoice at his
strangeness and his 'ramblings.' What you hear is genius at work!
As opposed to some of you, I ended up grinning from ear to ear when I read
the notes on the TD Web site. I would have been truly disappointed if he
sounded just like me. I don't want Edgar Froese (don't have enough history
on Jerome yet) reduced to my size. No, sir.
BTW, the majority of the great geniuses in the history of the arts and
sciences were considered quite mad/insane by their peers.
Andrew
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You know, I'd probably be one of the first to find a reason to be critical,
but after reading (slowly) the TD website 'facts' page, I don't have a
problem with what was written or how it was written. Yes, a few paragraphs
(as shown to this list) were disjointed in meaning, but nothing out of the
ordinary. Did I just miss the boat or something? I'm happy Edgar wrote this
actually.
Vic
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On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
>
> >> To my surprise he even didn´t answer the questions properly.
> >>
> >> Odd Ed.
> >>
> >> Jens
>
> >Actually I think that's pretty serious. Are we seeing signs of
> >early-onset artery-hardening/senility here?
>
> >Gabe
>
> Norse gods aren't subject to the ailments and diseases we mere mortals must
> contend with.
>
> E-Man
> np: yo' mama
Oh would you stop it with the Norse god bit!
I have a lot of respect for what Edgar has accomplished in life, but I
think he is as mortal and fallible as anybody else. And that still
doesn't give him the right to regard his fans as smut.
Gabe
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> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
>
> > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> >
> >
> > I just stumbled on a site that uses a MIDI of Oldfield's Tubular Bells,
> > and others. How legal is that? Couldn't they get in trouble? Does
> > Oldfield have a site or email that I could report this to?
>
> I'd leave it alone. One day *you* might wanna use a MIDI of TD's 'Wahn,'
> for, I dunno, something :-)
>
> hehe
midi 'Wahn' heheeee heehehhahhahhaaaaaaaaaaahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
> E-Man
Greg H.
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>Really-From: DJS
>
>it does have a different ending...remember the one with Edgar fighting
>off the Nazi's with his Gibson les paul? Well, that's the one.
You're sure it wasn't a Fender?
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
Email :fsp@w...
(guys, don't take this whole TD thing too seriously. just listen to what you
like
and if you don't like it, don't listen to it etc. it's 'just' music. I
really don't know
why some people get upset with edgar &co. everybody is an asshole some
time in his life :-) maybe for some of you, it's now edgar's time. I would
be
pissed off if people asked me constantly about the same things over and over
again. Now I'm pissed :-)))
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> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
> >Really-From: DJS
> >
> >it does have a different ending...remember the one with Edgar fighting
> >off the Nazi's with his Gibson les paul? Well, that's the one.
>
> You're sure it wasn't a Fender?
>
> Marcel
Hmm, come to think of it...it may have even been a Jackson!
D-
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> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> >>Really-From: Vic Rek
> >
> >>And speaking of fans, I had a chance to meet up with Craig Shipley and
> >>Elana Who? at the Atlanta Airport last night. I found Craig by carrying
> >>around a sign and I (we) found Elana by her rainbow cap and the infamous
> >>over-sized trout :-)
> >
> >Tell us all ! :)
>
> I'm sure you'd like to know, but didn't you just see her smack that trout
> around in The Nederlands ;)
>
> Vic
Personally, I'd rather sit and watch Dirk Diggler in action back to back
with any film by Chris Makepeace than see Elana wield a giant fish while
wearing a rainbow cap...but that's just me heh heh.
Dano
np: The Keep LP...yes...I've had it all along but have decided to just
keep it to myself....nyah!
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Subject: TDI Distribution of other Artists
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Quoted from the 'Focus and Facts' Page on the TD Webpage.
http://www.tadream.de/tadream/facts.html
'Also on a TDI special section, we will feature artists TD has produced and
will also support their first releases. So watch this site for more
details, coming soon.'
That sounds pretty cool, I wonder what artists Edgar Frose is reffering
to. TDI could become a really good synth label for music, with
a large distribution--I think going around all the record compaines
that Edgar says: 'For sure they talk about the possibility of being ripped
off
by their record companies, that's something we all have in common.'
This is a good idea as the artists deserve the money more so than the
componies.
I think that if you are not at one time on the top whatever 100, it tough
to
make a living doing what you love.
Greg H.
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Subject: TD Roadie Defiance (no, not the Jan Michael Vincent movie!)
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Just thought I'd mention...I saw a TD roadie wearing an Ozzy tshirt at
the 1988 show. Maybe that's why Edgar's face is permanently
cringing...er...just a thought.
Dano
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Subject: Visage and Tangerine Dream???
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Hello dreamers,
I just noticed, that in sleeve of TD's album Tournado is also
section 'very special thanks', and one of persons noticed here
is Steve Strange. This guy was leader of so-called 'punk supergroup'
Visage (well, although they didn't played punk music, but beautiful
melodic 'new romance'). They are now mostly forgotten, but they
were great in early 80's.
I would like to know, if there was some collaboration between S.S. and
TD on this tour, or if this guy was named here as source of inspiration,
and there was no real collaborations between them.
Anyone know the reply???
Richard Bilek, Praha
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>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>I just stumbled on a site that uses a MIDI of Oldfield's Tubular Bells,
>and others. How legal is that? Couldn't they get in trouble? Does
>Oldfield have a site or email that I could report this to?
You must be against fantapes too.. Those MIDI files are written from
scratch. Even if they are in a likeness of a copyrighted work, I think they
is protected...
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Really-From: DAVENTURA
One thing that comes out in myths is that at the bottom of the abyss
comes the voice of salvation. The black moment is the moment when the real
message of transformation is going to come. At the darkest moment comes the
light.
- Joseph Campbell
I found this quote and thought it was appropriate....David
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
[Andrew is convinced, Edgar IS a genius]
>BTW, the majority of the great geniuses in the history of the arts and
>sciences were considered quite mad/insane by their peers.
Quite. Hence my comparison with Wagner.
E. Kant is also one of those mentioned geniuses.
I don´t know if Edgar is a genius, but he´s talking (in German)
like one of those *confused* (it seems to be confused for most people)
professors who are on a different level in almost everything.
Although I´m more than happy that those people are on a higher level
in their main topics. I´m just not that happy with their social competence
which is on a lower level. You just can´t have all in one person.
On the other side of the coin the mankind needs those *different*
people, innovators, visionaires, geniuses.
Actually we need those people *now* more urgent, than most of
us (the mankind) believe. Sadly, but true.
Were are the Marxes (he was a most *excellent* economist, btw),
Kants, etc. of our days ?
Jens
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
>> Norse gods aren't subject to the ailments and diseases we mere mortals
must
>> contend with.
>>
>> E-Man
>> np: yo' mama
>Oh would you stop it with the Norse god bit!
>I have a lot of respect for what Edgar has accomplished in life, but I
>think he is as mortal and fallible as anybody else. And that still
>doesn't give him the right to regard his fans as smut.
^^^^^^
Smut? Oh, man, now I feel so *cheap,* haha. My buddy Edgar can regard me as
smut all he wants, so long as he releases all this music (which he knows
we're all gonna buy) and as long as he regards me as a Playboy and not some
two-bit Cheri.
Haha....
E-Man
np: Los Testes, *Vas Deferens Between You 'N' Me*
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>
>Quite. On a German video interview I saw recently,
>he was rambling and confused.
>
>To my surprise he even didn't answer the questions properly.
>
>Odd Ed.
>
>Jens
>
[...]
Hi,
I've been quiet here for the last...mh, year or so, but I'm much too
tempted to say something about this TD facts page and your amusing
comments on Edgar.
When I read the facts page, I was mostly amused. In Edgar's case, I would
have complained much earlier about things like garbage fax messages
('please, do another Rubycon' or 'Jerome, get a haircut' blablabla).
As an artist, I'd prefer to 'serve' a more mature community.
Emails you can ignore (I ignore most of the tadream postings), but
they annoy anyway.
The misunderstanding between TD and the fans is that they don't do it for the
fans but for themselves! Once in a while, they did something for 'the market'
to earn their money, to make a living, to keep the business going and
buying all that equipment. As they said somewhere at times of the Logos
tour: `Wir brauchen Mittel, um in aller Seelenruhe experimentieren zu
koennen. So kommerziell werden wir sein. Nicht mehr.' - Now my crap
translation: `We need resources (?) to be able to experiment. We will
be that commercial, but not more'. Leaving the commercial bit, all they
do is for *themselves* and not for the fans. The fans, however, want
to be pleased with what they are fans of. Bad luck for you.
About 'rambling', 'confused', 'didn't even answer the questions':
Reminds me a bit the public appearance of genius german actor Klaus
Kinski. Yep. He was cool. He'd never answered the questions. He
always said 'sorry, I don't understand your question, your question
is bullshit', and then he would talk about something else which is more
important to *him*. And critics: I love Kinski's quote: `Ich schere
mich einen Dreck darueber, was die Journalisten schreiben. Wenn ein
Koeter an einen Baum pinkelt, faellt der auch nicht gleich
um!' - `I don't give a damn on what the journalists are saying. If
some dog pees at a tree, the tree won't fall down!'.
Too bad about the one big difference between Edgar Froese and Klaus
Kinski: Edgar gave us Jerome, Klaus gave us Nastassja.....
(just kidding)
cheers
armin
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Subject: TD's Trick
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Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
(Copied from Armin's Page)
Edgar Froese: It is astonishing, and I listen to it from time to time. And
I have to say: None of these young bands have found...The early TD had a
trick. Well, of course I am not going to give it away here, but no one has
yet found out about this trick. I always listen to records to find out if
somebody finally manages to discover this trick. We had this to help us out
of a need, so it wasn't an intellectual planned achievement, but borne of
this need we had a certain pattern in our sequences and in the way we
treated the sequences, that had to do with the intervals and so on, I don't
wish to say more about this now. I would really like to see that someone
finds out how this functioned. It wouldn't have to sound exactly like TD,
but it would give one the possibility, that much I can say, to cover a wide
spectrum, which sofar, like it has been done until now, cannot be covered.
There is one thing missing, one element. It is a very small thing, but
suddenly you realize that a whole new musical cosmos opens up...
Have any of you musicians on this list got any idea about
what this 'trick' is?
Dennis
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<< The misunderstanding between TD and the fans is that they don't do it for
the
fans but for themselves! >>
Yeah, so do the Spice Girls....David
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Paul, I'll let you have my copy for $125, including shipping....David
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<< Not only is he not a native English speaker, but he speaks/writes as he
is...as he feels. Well, that's where that wonderful music comes from. >>
Immediately starting work on my new Russian Folk dance album....David
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<< Have any of you musicians on this list got any idea about
what this 'trick' is? >>
Really good drugs and gullible fans...David
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Subject: genius....
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>Subject: Re: I really hope that it is a poor German to English translatio
>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
[...major edit...]
>BTW, the majority of the great geniuses in the history of the arts and
>sciences were considered quite mad/insane by their peers.
>Andrew
-- OK Andrew, I'm calling your bluff. you make a reasonable argument
(although I disagree) then you try to support it with some totally
off-the-wall inanity like this.... with all due respect, this statement is
just plain untrue, inaccurate, unsupportable, garbage ;-) this is the kind
of misinformed stereotypical artist-as-divinely-inspired bullshit that
edgar bought into and now spews forth in his own defense on the td website
-- it's NOT a universal truth... PLEASE don't go there with me.... i'll
agree to stay away from psychological diagnoses if you agree to tread
lightly on the art history...
lars
(I've had ro[e]sti 'taters but I've never had a rosty bike...)
np: 'uncle ernie' from 'tommy, the rock opera'
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Really-From: TWeibre361
In a message dated 98-03-25 22:16:24 EST, you write:
<< It's where we all get together and trade and distribute stuff that The Mad
Edgar makes no money from. It is a good way of building up our collection
and
possibly getting some rare or unheard stuff at the same time. We have
another
tree forming soon, so keep your eyes peeled on this channel. Is that a good
explanation guys?...David >>
couldnt have said it better...
tom w
np: brand x=sta. monica 1993
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<< The majority of the great geniuses in the history of the arts and
>sciences were considered quite mad/insane by their peers.
>Andrew >>
Yeah, some people believe Hitler was a genius....just my two cents...David
PS. I'm not even Jewish
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> Have any of you musicians on this list got any idea about
> what this 'trick' is?
>
> Dennis
The *trick* is...everyone comes up with their *own.* Maybe this is Edgar's
indirect way of expressing his sourness toward all the TDesque artists in
EM, the new (90s) Berlin Schoolers, etc. That's my guess.
E-Man
np: Casino
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>
> Really-From: DAVENTURA
>
> << The majority of the great geniuses in the history of the arts and
> >sciences were considered quite mad/insane by their peers.
> >Andrew >>
>
> Yeah, some people believe Hitler was a genius....just my two cents...David
>
> PS. I'm not even Jewish
But Hitler was 1/4 Jewish... Talk about irony.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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>> I just stumbled on a site that uses a MIDI of Oldfield's
Tubular Bells,
>> and others. How legal is that? Couldn't they get in trouble?
Does
>> Oldfield have a site or email that I could report this to?
>I'd leave it alone. One day *you* might wanna use a MIDI of
TD's 'Wahn,'
>for, I dunno, something :-)
Normally I would, but this was one of those hate-filled
religious-right sites, loaded with vitriol & lies about my religious
beliefs and generally anyone who didn't believe the way they do. Nice
site, though.
Scott
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>-- OK Andrew, I'm calling your bluff. you make a reasonable
argument
>(although I disagree) then you try to support it with some
totally
I think Ed takes himself too damn seriously, and is just too
sensitive to accept criticism. Most Prog-rock bands of the '70s were
panned by the critics, but they didn't let it bother them, they played
for themselves and their fans, and laughed all the way to the bank.
I have to agree to a point with Ed, though. I think they've
gotten a bum rap from the press at times, often from a press that may
not always understand TD's music and e-music in general. Back in '88,
after the Cleveland show, a local critic wrote a really nasty review of
the show that basically said that e-music was garbage because it wasn't
'real' and was just yuppie muzak. I fired off a letter to him saying
that you can't judge e-music by the same standard that you judge rock
by. His position was that all rock had to be about rebelellion, and that
it didn't matter if you were good, as long a syou had the right
feelings. In his philosophy, the Sex Pistols were gods. E-music & prog
rock both, I told him, were more rebellious than corporate rock will
ever be. Almost none of them have major label deals, and, most
importantly, they all do their own thing in their own time. If any music
keeps the rebellious nature of early rock alive, it's prog & e-music.
Of course, whether you think ToB keeps rebellion alive is
another story, but from what Ed says, he's doing his own thing in his
own time. He should be proud.
Scott
NP: Ominous Seapods
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
> Have any of you musicians on this list got any idea about
> what this 'trick' is?
>
> Dennis
The use of pre-telling notes from which a musical 'carpet' is
layed upon. Within the sequences, lies a few notes that glide
into another transition. It's kind of like having the outline before
you fill in the details. But the special thing about it is that
anything such as sound effects and traditional instrumental
sections can be overlayed above the shifting sequence
structures.
So a sequence starts off--normally, it moves and changes pitch..
note.. but most importantly, the sequence contains the vital
information for the next sequence/transition. Usually one has to
listen many, mnay times to figure out how parts of the songs flow.
I'm trying to describe my best.. I'm a visual artist, not a musician! ;o)
Greg H.
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I'm looking for a copy of this 2-CD set -- a bootleg recorded at a
Southern California concert in 1986. Can anyone help?
Best wishes,
JR
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Subject: Re: EO and presets
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At 12:44 AM 3/26/98 PST, you wrote:
>Really-From: pal szatmari
>Hello everyone,
>
>One more thing: I do not understand you guys
>arguing over presets and original sounds.
>Let TD decide what sounds to use: they are
>the musicians, we are the audience. Music
>is not just patches and sounds. TD is known
>for creating unique COMPOSITIONS as well as
>being trailbrazers in inventing the necessary
>sounds need be.
Several of the people on this list are musicians, so not only are we the
audience, we are also creators. Anyone can make judgement statements. We do
admire Tangerine Dream to be great e-music composers, but we do need new
stuff to listen to periodically, and TD just isn't living up to its
previous output, at least a majority of the list believes this to be so...
We are being critical because we question the amount of thought that goes
into TD's releases these days.
feldon@p...
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Date: Thu Mar 26, 1998 5:51
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Subject: Re: So, QUINOA & 'Silver Scale' are both excerpts, eh?
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At 08:04 PM 3/25/98 EST, you wrote:
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> And while we're on the subject, I wish *somebody* would make it so
>that the first two parts of LOGOS (Side One and the bulk of Side Two on
>the LOGOS LP) were one unit rather than being linked by a fade-out and
>fade-in.
The CD has no such fade. Only on the Poland 2CD is there such an
unnecessary fade.
Um, if you revert the Logos CD to the way it was originally played, it will
contain an unreleased track, a track from The Soldier, a track from The
Keep, Choronzon (Exit), Tangent (the first 3 minutes), and an 11 minute
long remix of Mojave Plan. I don't think that will fit on a CD.
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Date: Thu Mar 26, 1998 6:07
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Subject: Re: Fade-in/fade-out on LOGOS LP *and* CD?
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At 09:06 PM 3/25/98 EST, you wrote:
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>
>>Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:17:26 -0800 (PST)
>>Subject: Re: Logos in one
>>FRom: tadream mailing list
>>Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>>
>>> And while we're on the subject, I wish *somebody* would make it so
>>> that the first two parts of LOGOS (Side One and the bulk of Side Two on
>>> the LOGOS LP) were one unit rather than being linked by a fade-out and
>>> fade-in.
>>
>>But this *has* been done, on the Virgin Definitive Edition of Logos. On
>>the version of it that I have, anyway.
>
> Take a closer listen: where one section ends and the other begins,
>there is a such a noticeable dip in the decibel levels that it might as
>well be a fade out/fade in.
> Am I the only one who thinks this?
Steve has SO FOCUSED on The Keep that he has missed out on folklore for
other releases, including Logos.
Steve, at the 5:30 mark, there is a fadeout. The rest of the music from SET
ONE and the first 13 minutes of SET TWO have all be cut out. When it fades
back in, its at the 13:00 minute mark of the second set of the concert.
They also cut out two encores.
Here's the actual Logos concert, compared to the CD:
START OF SET ONE
LOGOS OFFICIALLY RELEASED CD 0:00-5:30
Rush of Joy*
bridge*
The Keep track?*
The Soldier track?*
bridge*
Choronzon* (Exit)
Tangent* (first 3 minutes - Poland)
END OF SET ONE
START OF SET TWO
Mojave Plan remix** (White Eagle)
bridge
LOGOS OFFICIALLY RELEASED CD 5:31-42:00
END OF SET TWO
ENCORES
Midnight in Tula 3:21
White Eagle 3:44?
LOGOS OFFICIALLY RELEASED CD - Dominion
*These tracks appear on the Logotypes boot.
**The last 5 minutes of this track appear on the Logotypes boot.
Morgan
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+ My obsession with Logos and 1981-83 is almost as much as +
+ Steve's obsession with The Keep... almost! -Morgan +
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At 09:38 AM 3/26/98 -0700, you wrote:
>> Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
>
>> Have any of you musicians on this list got any idea about
>> what this 'trick' is?
>>
>> Dennis
I think the 'trick' that made 70's and 80's TD great was their willingness
to have a sequence with a few BAD notes in it... BAD meaning discordant,
and against the flow of what's been playing so far...
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
I don't think there's any trick at all! I think thats the
whole point. If Edgar says something, people are
busy analyzing his words which they shouldn't.
Edgar is just an average guy just as you and me!
:-)))
(did I asnwer correct? whats the prize?!?)
Marcel
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
> Have any of you musicians on this list got any idea about
> what this 'trick' is?
>
> Dennis
ahhh
8... 8... 16... 8... 8... 32.. 32..
dah dah dah dah dah dah dah dah daah daah daah daah daah daah daah daah
Just counting sequences :)
Greg H.
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Any web or ftp sites have TD midi files? Thanks.
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Really-From: Tom Gerardy
Surfing the online CD sources I saw something called Underwater Moonlight,
is this a typo? I don't know of a bootleg by that name. Anybody know of
anything by that name?
It *would* be a good name for a boot!
--tom
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Really-From: Vic Rek
> Really-From: feldon@p...
> Here's the actual Logos concert, compared to the CD:
>
> START OF SET ONE
> LOGOS OFFICIALLY RELEASED CD 0:00-5:30
> Rush of Joy*
> bridge*
> The Keep track?*
[...]
Since I'm quite sure that this concert was recorded before The Keep,
would it be more appropriate to say that The Keep had some Logos music
in it instead of saying Logos has The Keep music? Just thinking out
loud.
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It is not SOMNANBULISTIC but SONAMBULISTIC.
>>Really-From: jriggenbach@w... (Jeff Riggenbach)
>
>
>>I'm looking for a copy of this 2-CD set -- a bootleg recorded at a
>>Southern California concert in 1986. Can anyone help?
>
>>Best wishes,
>
>>JR
>
>
>
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At 10:12 AM 3/26/98 GMT, you wrote:
>
>Too bad about the one big difference between Edgar Froese and Klaus
>Kinski: Edgar gave us Jerome, Klaus gave us Nastassja.....
So Klaus is one-up on Edgar..............(I'm a naughty boy)
Mike
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 09:38 PM 3/25/98 -0600, Andrew-the-sane wrote:
I don't want Edgar Froese (don't have enough history
>on Jerome yet) reduced to my size. No, sir.
Me neither--bless you for expressing the same feelings I had when reading!
>
>BTW, the majority of the great geniuses in the history of the arts and
>sciences were considered quite mad/insane by their peers.
And I think it is very important for these geniouses to live way outside
the loop the rest of us live in. How can they envision their art if they
are bombarded with the input most of us recieve on a daily basis?
Thanks, Andrew! Well said!
Mike
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>Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:44:15 -0700
>Subject: Re: Underwater Moonlight?
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Tom Gerardy
>
>Surfing the online CD sources I saw something called Underwater
>Moonlight, is this a typo? I don't know of a bootleg by that name.
>Anybody know of anything by that name?
It is the name of an early 80's album by the Soft Boys. The title
track is really pretty good. It features a portion of the 60's tune,
'96 Tears' in it, too.
I don't recall clearly. Were the Soft Boys an early incarnation
of Robin Hitchock and the Egyptians?
-- Steven Feldman
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> >My, you agree? ;) So you think that the official release might actually
> >have some 'authenticity' to it then? [. . .]
>
> Yes, *some*, insofar as Michael Mann seems to have wound up using
> a lot of music from LOGOS and some from RUBYCON for the film. But then,
> what about the boatload of stuff on the Blue Moon boot and the CD-R boot
> that *was* used in the film yet is not on LOGOS nor the TDI ltd. ed. of
> THE KEEP?
I have my doubts as to whether all of this is actually TD we're hearing.
> >[. . .] I have my doubts. Personally, I think that the cuts that
> >appeared as 'Romanian Road' and 'Fisherman's Morning', (which on the
> >official release under different titles, right?) are *HIGHLY* atypical
> >for TD of that period. [. . .]
>
> Atypical, yes; *highly* atypical, though? Not really. How about
> the stuff on the 'Das Machen auf der Treppe' 12'? 'Moorland' is on this
> 12'--and a remix of this is in the film, THE KEEP [specifically, track
> 14 of the Blue Moon boot, 'The Keep 'Mid Theme' (remix)' (1:50), and
That's par for the course IMO, at least it sounds 'period'. The two
tracks I mentioned sound more like they are from 1985 (though, as you
mentioned, there are the two mixes from the Risky Business music). The
timbres in these tracks are ones I've not heard in any other TD music
from this time.
> track 7 of the CD-R boot, 'Crossing Saver' (4:02), the latter of which
> is the 1st part of the two Moorland variants that appear in the movie].
> And how about the versions of 'The Dream is Always the Same' and 'Love
> on a Real Train' that appeared on the first two LP pressings of RISKY
> BUSINESS (and now on ELECTRONIC ORGY)? They sound more like tracks
> from LEGEND than anything else, and yet LEGEND wasn't released until
> 1986, where as RISKY BUSINESS was in 1983.
>
> >[. . .] They may have been interesting experiments for that time, yes,
> >but I think they are more likely doctored.
>
> For that matter, I think that a good 50% of the TDI ltd. ed. of THE
> KEEP is atypical of TD of the time. Track 3, 'The Silver Seal' (3:07),
> is reminiscent of material on HYPERBOREA and of 'Love Phantasy' off the
> FLASHPOINT soundtrack--which is one of the most unusual TD tracks ever.
'Love Phantasy' is structured quite a bit like 'Snake Bath' from Edgar's
_Kamikaze 1989_, IMO.
> (a/k/a 'Ode to Granny A' off Edgar's AGES album). Track 10, 'Love and
> Destiny' (3:31), is reminiscent of material on the DESTINATION BERLIN
> soundtrack, even though DB is from 1989 and THE KEEP is from 1983! And
Even down to a harpsichord-sounding lead ;)?
> last but not least, track 13, 'Parallel Worlds' (4:29), is unique and
> unlike any thing else TD has done. I have all four of Johannes' albums,
> and it my guess that this track is 100% Johannes' doing since I don't
> hear any Froese influence on it whatsoever.
Agreed. To me, this sounds for all the world like an early draft of
'Wuivend Riet pt. 2'.
> >> >None of this changes the fact that a version of the movie actually
> >> >featuring a whole lot of the 'official' music is known.
>
> Despite the fact that you commented on my comment of 'Huh?' I still
> don't understand the sentence above. It's not that I agree or disagree;
> I just plain don't understand what you're saying. It's something to do
> with the syntactic structure of the sentence, I think.
No, there's a grammatical error on my part :-S. That last word should be
'UNknown'!
> >> Glad you said it, rather than me. ;)
> >
> >Would you have at all? ;)
>
> If *you* hadn't? Perhaps. I'm not sure. Maybe.
>
> >Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves
> >
> >[. . .] I am looking forward to it. It is better than the music
> >never seeing an official release at all.
>
> Well, *that's* fairly inarguable. ;)
>
> > So how about stopping the crying about what you are not getting,
> >and appreciate what you are finally being allowed to buy and enjoy.
>
> What I am 'finally being *allowed* to buy and enjoy'?!? Praised
> be to Edgar for allowing us poor sinners the opportunity to share in
> more of His blessed bounty--of which we are not worthy . . . not!
>
Steve, it's not just Edgar in this case who prevented us from
appreciating any of the music from The Keep in an official way! There was,
unfortunately, the legal vicissitudes of the film record industries that
had to be contended with, too! They, if anybody, are the ones who didn't
allow you to buy and enjoy The Keep OST Mk. I! (if it really exists)
Gabe
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
pal szatmari wrote:
> One more thing: I do not understand you guys
> arguing over presets and original sounds.
> Let TD decide what sounds to use: they are
> the musicians, we are the audience.
I think you'll find that a high percentage of the people
on this list are musicians of some sort, and some are
even fairly eminent EMusicians, hence the 'expert'
opinion that rightly or wrongly comes across. I personally
feel it's a perfectly valid discussion, and even the audience
have the right to give opinions on composition.
If you think this is bad, you should go to a good old British
pub when there's a football match on the TV and see how
everyone suddenly becomes premiership manager
material. :-)
Lawry.
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Really-From: feldon@p...
At 03:55 PM 3/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>> Really-From: feldon@p...
>> Here's the actual Logos concert, compared to the CD:
>>
>> START OF SET ONE
>> LOGOS OFFICIALLY RELEASED CD 0:00-5:30
>> Rush of Joy*
>> bridge*
>> The Keep track?*
>[...]
>
>Since I'm quite sure that this concert was recorded before The Keep,
>would it be more appropriate to say that The Keep had some Logos music
>in it instead of saying Logos has The Keep music? Just thinking out
>loud.
Ok, ok. a track which was later used in hte film...
Morgan
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At 08:21 AM 3/26/1998 +0100, you wrote:
>
>Were are the Marxes (he was a most *excellent* economist, btw),
>Kants, etc. of our days ?
>
There are still around.....we just think they are all crazy. :-)
Andrew
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At 09:31 AM 3/26/1998 -0500, Lars wrote:
>>BTW, the majority of the great geniuses in the history of the arts and
>>sciences were considered quite mad/insane by their peers.
>>Andrew
>
>-- OK Andrew, I'm calling your bluff. you make a reasonable argument
>(although I disagree) then you try to support it with some totally
>off-the-wall inanity like this.... with all due respect, this statement is
>just plain untrue, inaccurate, unsupportable, garbage ;-) this is the kind
>of misinformed stereotypical artist-as-divinely-inspired bullshit that
>edgar bought into and now spews forth in his own defense on the td website
>-- it's NOT a universal truth... PLEASE don't go there with me.... i'll
>agree to stay away from psychological diagnoses if you agree to tread
>lightly on the art history...
It was not a bluff. It was a hypothesis.
Would I have to support it, say, by making a complete list of all the
geniuses and see if they were considered nuts by their contemporaries?
Or, are you saying that Edgar Froese is not a genius?
Or, maybe we differ in our definition of what a genius is.
Which?
Are you saying that geniuses were well-adjusted masters of communication
well-respected by their peers -- hence supporting your thesis that what I
said was 'untrue?' This would also go for my being 'inaccurate:' I guess
Dali (for instance) was not considered crazy -- although some of my art
teachers would have argued with you.
I am comfortable with my hypothesis. That way I can go on thinking about
the man who has brought me so much pleasure in my adulthood as a genius.
Rather than, say, a vindictive, petty, irrational, pathological, commoner.
Call it my attempt at reducing cognitive dissonance.
Andrew
>lars
>(I've had ro[e]sti 'taters but I've never had a rosty bike...)
>
>np: 'uncle ernie' from 'tommy, the rock opera'
>
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Really-From: AOutland
In a message dated 98-03-24 22:53:19 EST, you write:
<< Haven't you ever gotten something in your head that you detested, yet you
couldn't stop listening to it, because that was the only way you felt you
could get it out?
Gabe
>>
Oh my, yes like Bingo (Once I had a little dog and Bingo was his name-o).
LOL, now I've put that in your head. To cure a bad song day, I forcefully
replace the bad song with a TD sound even if it's just a humming base tone
they use. Usually something in the day happens anyway, like the loud call of a
bird, which will start Chia Maroon up in my head and then the bad song is
gone. I love the morning when I wake up with a TD song already playing brain
waves. Good day ahead! Dell
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Subject: Trans-what?
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
In their 'Focus The Facts' page, Edgar mentions the forthcoming
*Transsiberian Soundtrack* release...anyone know what this is? What era?
Vic? Jens? Hilmar? Scott? Apache?...anyone?
E-Man
np: Glass Hammer, *On To Evermore*
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In a message dated 98-03-26 16:12:09 EST, you write:
<<
It is not SOMNANBULISTIC but SONAMBULISTIC.
>>
Sorry, you're wrong; the word is spelled correctly on the subject line,
no matter how it's spelled on the boot. It means sleepy by the way. Good
imagery. 8-) Dell
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At 11:58 PM 3/26/1998 -0000, Lawry wrote:
>
>pal szatmari wrote:
>
>> One more thing: I do not understand you guys
>> arguing over presets and original sounds.
>> Let TD decide what sounds to use: they are
>> the musicians, we are the audience.
It's the nature of lists like these. Just like Monday night quarterbacking.
I expect, however, that this audience is considerably more qualified at
commenting on TD, than my friends are at analyzing play-by-plays of
American football games. BTW, Pal, you may want a copy of GoldTri Vol. 1,
to see just how qualified some of the commentators on this list are. I
think you will be pleasantly surprised.
>If you think this is bad, you should go to a good old British
>pub when there's a football match on the TV and see how
>everyone suddenly becomes premiership manager
>material. :-)
Am I translating well, Lawry? (Although, I don't think they play much
American football in Hungary).
>
>PS - Welcome to the list
Ja, Isten hozott.
Andrew
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Really?
I thought it was a kind of joke - Sonambulistic, Sonic, Sound, Sonata...
well this music does not really make me sleep...
Fred
>
>
> It is not SOMNANBULISTIC but SONAMBULISTIC.
> >>
> Sorry, you're wrong; the word is spelled correctly on the subject
line,
>no matter how it's spelled on the boot. It means sleepy by the way. Good
>imagery. 8-) Dell
>
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Date: Fri Mar 27, 1998 1:05
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Subject: Tangents 1973 - 1983
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Hi !
Is someone looking for the 5 CD set 'Tangents 1973 -1983' (mint)?
Please email me off the list.
Ingo
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
There used to be a nasty music critic in Chicago named Ernie who later
went to write for Rolling Stone Magazine... I don't think he ever gave an
album more than two stars... Perhaps tha's who he was talking about...
MJ
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Subject: Transiberian Railway
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
This is a new Soundtrack from 1997. Perhaps we will see the Northpole
contest coincide with its release! ( ha ha)!
MJ
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
Just to add fuel to the current discussion about TD's 'Focus the Facts'
page, an articulate rebuttal to it which was posted in the TD guestbook
yesterday was deleted when I checked back this morning. 'Fred Smith'
(which he admitted was a pseudonym, for fear of retaliation) was
arguing that the opinions of critics are just as valid as those of the
artist, and that when the work of the artist isn't moving the listener,
then it might just be because the music is not up to par, and not just
because of intellectual laziness on the part of the critic.
Meanwhile, all of the positive responses to 'Focus the Facts' remain up
for all to see.
This suggests to me that whenever Edgar uses the word 'blackmail' on the
Focus the Facts page, he really means 'people offering a different
opinion from mine'. Why offer a guestbook if the only messages you want
are 'I've been listening to you since 1976 and I think you're just the
coolest'?
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Subject: RE: edgar and td facts page
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Really-From: 'Poulton, Larry'
I must admit, I read 'Focus on Facts' with increduality. I does seem one
sided. Essentially, I think all artists only like to hear praise and
constuctive critisism is unobtainable. TD should be open 'critisism'.
The stance of 'if you dont like it, dont buy it' really doesn't have
much credence. What is an artist without an audience? We are all on the
TD journey and as such all have valuable input to offer. There is a
heluva lot of TD work I cant stand, but I tend to take the rough with
the smooth. As artist they are continually trying different approaches
and methods. What we really need to know is what their motivation is: is
it to please themselves or please their audience? Therein lies the
rub!!!!
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>
>
>
> Just to add fuel to the current discussion about TD's 'Focus the
> Facts'
> page, an articulate rebuttal to it which was posted in the TD
> guestbook
> yesterday was deleted when I checked back this morning. 'Fred Smith'
> (which he admitted was a pseudonym, for fear of retaliation) was
> arguing that the opinions of critics are just as valid as those of the
> artist, and that when the work of the artist isn't moving the
> listener,
> then it might just be because the music is not up to par, and not just
> because of intellectual laziness on the part of the critic.
>
> Meanwhile, all of the positive responses to 'Focus the Facts' remain
> up
> for all to see.
>
> This suggests to me that whenever Edgar uses the word 'blackmail' on
> the
> Focus the Facts page, he really means 'people offering a different
> opinion from mine'. Why offer a guestbook if the only messages you
> want
> are 'I've been listening to you since 1976 and I think you're just the
> coolest'?
>
>
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Subject: Pink Years compilation
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Really-From: John Burek <72241.2313@c...>
Hello folks,
Has anyone actually bought this 'Best of Tangerine Dream: The Pink Years'
CD on Castle? I ask because there are 4 or 5 pre-1973 tracks/excerpts on
this CD that are not on 'Dream Roots Collection' and was wondering if there
was any remixed material on this CD that's not on Dream Roots. Edgar
reworked a lot of the Pink Years stuff on Dream Roots, and I was wondering
if he also did so for the tracks such as 'Atem' on here. Anyone know before
I lay down money on another possibly useless compilation?
John
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Subject: Strange Monkeys
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Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?='
Hello, Tadreamers,
This evening, I put 'Ambient Monkeys' (the CD) into my computer's CD player.
It didn't work : the player said 'unrecognized disk'. Others discs work
properly. It's the first time I have this message...
Has it happenned to anyone else?
Note also that line 13 of back cover is written with a fontsize a bit
greater than others. So is second half of line 12 (credit EF/JF). This is a
minor bug.
Fred
np : Silent Monkeys
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Subject: Dream Mix equipment
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Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
I've been a long time TD fan and am starting to put together a home
studio with computer, synths, etc. Was wondering what the consensus of
opinion is on some of the drum machine hardware and software used on the
Dream Mix album. Sure doesn't sound like the usual TR/TB equipment from
Roland. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Subject: Re: Tr: 'Somnambulistic Imagery'
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Really-From: 'Dave Lane'
AOutland sez:
/In a message dated 98-03-26 16:12:09 EST, you write:
/<<
/ It is not SOMNANBULISTIC but SONAMBULISTIC.
/ >>
/ Sorry, you're wrong; the word is spelled correctly on the subject
line,
/no matter how it's spelled on the boot. It means sleepy by the way. Good
/imagery. 8-) Dell
Actually, somnambulism refers to walking in your sleep,
which pretty much describes the TD stage presence.
--Dave
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
Actually play some tunes...
no no, just being facetious (or am I?)
Given that they play a pretty much pre-programmed show, I don't think
that's too likely to change soon. But, question is, how long does it
take them to assemble such a program? Instead of simply putting together
1 program, why not 2 or 3 or 4, with different tracklists? God knows
they've got enough output to make that feasible! Once they have that,
they could put them on a rotation, or randomly choose which one it was
going to be before a show, so at the very least, the fans who religiously
follow them from concert to concert won't necessarily have to get the
same pre-programmed show night after night.
anybody else like this?
Gabe
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>> If you think this is bad, you should go to a good old British
>> pub when there's a football match on the TV and see how
>> everyone suddenly becomes premiership manager
>> material. :-)
> Am I translating well, Lawry? (Although, I don't think they play much
> American football in Hungary).
Yeah... perhaps I should have said 'soccer' on such a multi-
national list....
But every walk of life has it's back seat drivers... we just have
quite a few, albeit very qualified drivers on this list.
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
KS fans
recently I picked up a KS double cd boot 'United States '83' put out by the
same folks who did the ardem-o, me-rad and collected endings boots. since
ks has never played in the us (to the best of my knowledge) this obviously
can't be true. can anyone tell me which show this is? if so, please
e-mail me off-list
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lars
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>KS fans
>recently I picked up a KS double cd boot 'United States '83' put out by the
>same folks who did the ardem-o, me-rad and collected endings boots. since
>ks has never played in the us (to the best of my knowledge) this obviously
>can't be true. can anyone tell me which show this is? if so, please
>e-mail me off-list
>
>thanks
>lars
This show is actually an audience recording of the official CD releases
'Royal Festival Hall' volumes one and two, 9-10-1991. Why anyone would
bother to put out an audience recording of a show which is already
officially available with much better, professionally recorded sound is
beyond my understanding.
John Majka
flossbac@w...
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Of course they'll be miming...but we're TangZombies, and we'll be buying
> their concert tix N-E-way, haha....we all complain that the concert
> versions are too close to the studio ones...at least TD won't have any
more
> explaining to do!
>
> E-Man
> np: Liquid Tension Experiment
Admit it, we go because they blast our favorite music louder than anywhere
else. That would be good enough for me to pay and make the trip. And
TD has always been a show where the music comes before the performances.
That's the way it should be, and the nature of the music fits that. In the
USA, people like to see performances ie: Spice Girls, Back Street Boys,
Yanni. People whom are more cultured to Classical might see a pianist in
concet
--whom still performs to an extent. But I think there's always that thrill
where
how much power is yeilded at the fingers.. and can bring a crowd down in
agony
with just a few loud excruciating notes.
Greg H.
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At 11:43 PM 3/27/98 -0000, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
>
>>> If you think this is bad, you should go to a good old British
>>> pub when there's a football match on the TV and see how
>>> everyone suddenly becomes premiership manager
>>> material. :-)
>
>> Am I translating well, Lawry? (Although, I don't think they play much
>> American football in Hungary).
>
>Yeah... perhaps I should have said 'soccer' on such a multi-
>national list....
Well, I KNOW what American football is... =)
football everywhere else on earth is Soccer.
Morgan
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Subject: Presets and TD'90s
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Really-From: pal szatmari
My thanks to Lawry, Andrew and Feldon for their remarks
on my Preset message. Thanks also for your welcome,
it felt really nice.
So here I go again...
I still support the freedom of any musician
to use whatever means and forms they feel right to convey
their thoughts. Has't it ever crossed your minds that perhaps
it is all there in the music only it did not get to you?
It may be that you identify TD with a certain direction in
their career and you are not open enough to see the same
spirit in their 90s compositions. (Why did they get so many
Grammy nominations in the 90s, then?) There is something
deep inside TD tracks that I cannot get from other
musicians. Something that lives on from one track to
another. And I think I would recognize that even on an
UNPLUGGED TD album.
Dream on!
Paul
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> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
> Given that they play a pretty much pre-programmed show, I don't think
> that's too likely to change soon. But, question is, how long does it
> take them to assemble such a program? Instead of simply putting together
> 1 program, why not 2 or 3 or 4, with different tracklists? God knows
> they've got enough output to make that feasible! Once they have that,
> they could put them on a rotation, or randomly choose which one it was
> going to be before a show, so at the very least, the fans who religiously
> follow them from concert to concert won't necessarily have to get the
> same pre-programmed show night after night.
Yeah, the same party-van people shouldn't be subject to 'Melrose' for an
opener and 'Ghazal' for the closer EVERY SINGLE TIME...! Let's make it even
easier for Ed & J...backstage they'll have three CD players (one for
initial use, two for backup). Frontstage, Jerome and Ed will have the
remote controls resting on their Korgs. The CD player(s) will each have 20
disc magazines, so WHAM! A totally spontaneous TD concert!
ED: 'Let's do 'Silver Scale' from TANGENTS.'
JEROME: 'OK, and then 'Bride In Cold Tears' from TYRANNY.'
ED: 'Bingo!'
Of course they'll be miming...but we're TangZombies, and we'll be buying
their concert tix N-E-way, haha....we all complain that the concert
versions are too close to the studio ones...at least TD won't have any more
explaining to do!
E-Man
np: Liquid Tension Experiment
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On Mar 27, 7:07, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Subject: Re: edgar and td facts page
ally-From: Sean Montgomery
>
> Just to add fuel to the current discussion about TD's 'Focus the Facts'
> page, an articulate rebuttal to it which was posted in the TD guestbook
> yesterday was deleted when I checked back this morning. 'Fred Smith'
> (which he admitted was a pseudonym, for fear of retaliation) was
[...]
> This suggests to me that whenever Edgar uses the word 'blackmail' on the
> Focus the Facts page, he really means 'people offering a different
> opinion from mine'. Why offer a guestbook if the only messages you want
> are 'I've been listening to you since 1976 and I think you're just the
> coolest'?
Sean,
all entries in the TD guestbook, which are either anonymuous or which
contain offending statements, will be removed by me in accordance
with the TD office. This is so to be further able to offer such a
guestbook under aspects of legality in the future.
If you have to say something, specify your real name. In this case the
message is not going to be removed (if it does not fall into the other
category), no matter whether it contains positive or negative ciritcism.
Remember, I own this computer and the Internet connection.
Maintaining the TD site is my hobby. I do this in my spare time. Beside
a lot of time I also spent a lot of money due to the large files on the
server. Therefore, in the last instance, I - and only I - decide what's
being stored on this machine, since I not only pay for it, but also have
the legal responsibility here in Germany for what's being published on
the whole site (even if it's not my data). This is one - but not the
only - reason why we accept no anonymuous postings.
If you don't like this, open your own site, create a guestbook
and go on for yourself!
Best regards,
Stefan
PS: Yes, I blacklist even some hosts from accessing the whole site
from time to time. For example, if some looser tries to grab
the whole files (1.2 GB) from Netstore (TD's hosting service),
which would raise my monthly volume bill for US $500, it
automatically gets blacklisted for that session. However, I
don't do this (yet) on an automatically base with the TD guestbook.
I would be sorry if I would have to add IP logging to the guestbook
in order to automatically identify at least the sitename of
anonymuous posters. But no doubt, if it is mis-used by some
'Fred Smith' or 'Emil Dat' and other bozos any further (in this
case, it even was a comment on a statement about such mis-use),
I will do so, whether you like it or not.
PPS: Do not reply with 'Free Speech' arguments; you have free speech:
on the street, on the beach, in your home, on the Internet -
but not on my system _IF_ you remain anonymuous or post offending
statements. It's just that easy.
--
Stefan Stapelberg Fon: +49-9352-89948 RENT-A-GURU (TM)
Fax: +49-9352-89949 P.O. Box 1358
http://www.netstore.de/ D-97803 Lohr/Main
Microsoft spel chekar vor sail, worgs grate!!
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Subject: pink years, another worthless comp ;-)
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
yes John, the pink years is just another worthless comp. but this time it
is an official one, done for castle by TDI; edgar produced it (but there's
no reworking/tangentizing) and jerome dqc mastered it... it doesn't seem
to use the castle essential remastered material so perhaps they see dqc as
an alternative to SBM etc... the best thing about 'the pink years' is what
edgar writes in the liner notes... I've seen this in stores for $20 but
CDnow has for it for 9.99 + .99 postage
now, the cleopatra 2cd set is not remastered either but it comes in a nice
slipcase with a poster (ooh boy!) for $19.99 (at CDnow) and it has more
material...
lars
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> Really-From: stefan@b... (Stefan Stapelberg)
>
> all entries in the TD guestbook, which are either anonymuous or which
> contain offending statements, will be removed by me in accordance
> with the TD office. This is so to be further able to offer such a
> guestbook under aspects of legality in the future.
Thanks, Stefan to for clarifying this.
I'm not in favor of anonymous messages, I think they are against free
speech.
---Francisco
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Really-From: Tdune
In a message dated 98-03-27 22:19:26 EST, you write:
<< Well, I KNOW what American football is... =)
football everywhere else on earth is Soccer.
>>
You are wrong, what in the United States is called soccer, is called football
everywhere else on earth.
Marcelo G.
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>Really-From: Tdune
>
><< Well, I KNOW what American football is... =)
> football everywhere else on earth is Soccer. >>
>
>You are wrong, what in the United States is called soccer, is called football
>everywhere else on earth.
He, he, he. Dudes, you´re both saying *exactly* the same !!!
Makes me not wondering. C S you know what I mean, eh ?
Jens
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Date: Sat Mar 28, 1998 7:09
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Subject: D: TD: The Analogue Space Years 1969-1973
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Really-From: PENFOLD
DISC 01
Ashes To Ashes
Zeit
Atem
Green Desert
Genesis
DISC 02
Alpha Centauri
Astral Voyager
Wahn
Circulation Of Events
Nebulous Dawn
I got this one @ CDnow
This is packaged in one of those 2 in 1 jewel boxes with a cardboard slip
cover. The artwork is retro 60's. Inside is a poster with a B&W pic of
Froese/Franke/Baumann posed in front of their equipment (patch cords.....yow!)
Dave Thompson's liner notes are nice.
but all in all this one's a compilation. DreamHeads & Completists will like
this one.
Pete
mailto:penfold@a...
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the
road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
-- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides
on which instruments to take on the road.
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: The 'Fred Smith' Note Removed from the TDI Site Guestbook cc: Stefan Stapelberg
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:07:25 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: Re: edgar and td facts page
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
>Just to add fuel to the current discussion about TD's 'Focus the Facts'
>page, an articulate rebuttal to it which was posted in the TD guestbook
>yesterday was deleted when I checked back this morning. 'Fred Smith'
>(which he admitted was a pseudonym, for fear of retaliation) [. . .]
'Articulate,' eh? Then, it's really too bad that the guy who wrote
it posted it anonymously and it got removed--because I would have loved
to have seen it. Is there any way, do you think, that we could get
ahold of a copy of it to re-post *here*?
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 13:11:14 +0100
>Subject: Re: edgar and td facts page
>Really-From: stefan@b... (Stefan Stapelberg)
>
>all entries in the TD guestbook, which are either anonymuous or which
>contain offending statements, will be removed by me in accordance
>with the TD office. [. . .]
Okay.
>Maintaining the TD site is my hobby. I do this in my spare time. Beside
>a lot of time I also spent a lot of money due to the large files on the
>server. Therefore, in the last instance, I - and only I - decide what's
>being stored on this machine [. . .]
Gotcha. It's *your* site, not TD's, so you get the 'last say,' in
a sense. How about *this*, then? Would you object to my putting a
message in the guestbook that asks that this 'Fred Smith' re-post his
previously-anonymous message to the guestbook *signed*, and/or at least
send a copy of the anonymous (i.e. unsigned) version to the tadream
mailing list?
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Sat Mar 28, 1998 8:07
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Subject: Re: edgar and td facts page
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> all entries in the TD guestbook, which are either anonymuous or which
> contain offending statements, will be removed by me in accordance
> with the TD office. This is so to be further able to offer such a
> guestbook under aspects of legality in the future.
Stefan, I totally understand the spirit of this argument. I have a
guestbook on my webpage, and if someone anonymously posted racial slurs or
flat-out lies on it, I would feel compelled to remove them. But in 'Fred
Smiths' case, I saw no reason for this harsh reaction. There are many
anonymous entries in the guestbook, made by the likes of 'Long time T.D.
fan', 'A Wishful Thinker' and 'gemini'. It was only because of the
indignant tone of the 'Focus on the Facts' page that my first reaction was
to assume that 'Fred Smiths' posting was removed only because it offered
an opposing view. The fact that he was *afraid* that it would be removed
bothered me. Why should someone have to be afraid to share a valid point
of view? There are, to be sure, legal arguments for banning anonymous
postings with controversial content. But while I did not make a copy of
the Smith message to refer to right now, I remember nothing in it that
could be construed as a legal problem.
Yes, I can see why the band would not want their guestbook turned into a
soapbox of endless ranting and finger-pointing (much like, say, this
mailing list). This happened in the past on the Cocteau Twins webpage,
and the site administrator was indeed compelled to include IP addresses
with posters' messages. Which is fine by me. The kinds of anonymous
messages that I find problematic are usually made my cowards, and this
ends their game. Yes, some fans will still say controversial things, but
this never gets out of hand because obviously stupid remarks are quashed
in the court of public opinion and social ostracism.
Let me also say that none of this is a personal attack on you, Stefan. I
merely like to debate issues that interest me. Sometimes, I argue for
the fun of it, and I do it totally without malice. While I may, for
instance, criticise the band's point of view in writing 'Focus the
Facts', I continue to respect them as musicians. I can totally appreciate
how much work that running even a small website involves, and I think that
everyone who frequents the TD page appreciates the effort you're putting
into it. I apologize if my remarks have angered you.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Date: Sat Mar 28, 1998 8:49
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Subject: Update TD page and New Trade list
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Really-From: jupe
Update TD page
http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/home.htm
New Trade list
http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm
Dream on !!!!!!!
--
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* La PAGINA de TANGERINE DREAM de JUPE
* http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/home.htm mailto:jupe@c...
* New SWAP List 3.0 , write me !!!!!
* Nueva Lista de CAMBIO 3.0 , escribeme !!!!!
* http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm mailto:jupe@c...
* PARA PARTICIPAR EN LA LISTA EN CASTELLANO TDFANS ESCRIBIR
* A mailto:jupe@c... DREAM ON !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59
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Subject: Logos
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Really-From: pal szatmari
Reading Morgan's reply on Logos fade-in/fade-out, in
which he provides the actual Logos playlist, I just
thought you might be interested to know that at
the Logos concert in Budapest (Oct 19,1982) one of the
encores was KIEW MISSION. To my great regret I could not
attend that concert :-( I was heart-broken!
however the Hungarian State Radio broadcasted excerpts
from it and I still have a shabby copy. Unfortunately
it is in a quality almost unenjoyable, but I am listening
to it right now :-)
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59
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Subject: Re: Trans-what?
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Really-From: pal szatmari
To Elias
I am on digest so I do not know if you have got
a reply on this (chances are you have but in case
you have not, here is what I can tell you:)
Last year Edgar and Jerome were commissioned to make
the soundtrack of a black and white movie about the
Trans-Siberian railway. In order to get ideas they
even took a ride on it (must have been quite an
experience...) This info was put on the homepage last
summer and you can find it in the news ticker.
Let's prepare for another Hyperborea experience...
Paul
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Date: Sat Mar 28, 1998 10:37
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Subject: (Almost)No TD content/ RMI Organ Harvest/ Sin(casi) contenido de TD
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
Hi
Today I gave a good listening on my main stereo to 'Organ Harvest' by
Radio Massacre International...( I realize I haven't played in my main
stereo until this time!, only with my portable player or CD-rom)
Really i'ts growing on me. It's the best thing after TD's Ricochet I've
heard ! ( and the best by RMI until now)
Very nice sounds and atmosphere, some cool sequences ( specially track 4
'Rainy Day song'- 13 minutes of gliding !
Highly recommended if you line good old TD stuff.
Regards
Hola
Hoy le he dado un buena escucha en mi estéreo principal a Organ Harvest
por Radio Massacre International ( me doy cuenta de que no lo hasta no
lo había puesto allí, solo en el CD portátil y en el CD-ROM)
Cada vez me gusta mas. Es lo mejor que he escuchado desde Ricochet y lo
mejor de RMI hasta ahora.
Sonidos magníficos y atmósferas atractivas y algunas buenas secuencias.
Me gusta especialmente la pista 4: Rainy Day song. ¡13 minutos
planeando!
Saludos/Regards
---Francisco
Note to Tadream list:
As you see there is a new Tangerine Dream e-mail list, this time in
spanish. I wanted to comment this in both lists, that's the reason of
this bi-lingual message.
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59
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Subject: Dogs and Logos
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Really-From: pal szatmari
Which of you TaDreamers have dogs?
I wonder how your dogs tolerate TD...
One of mine retreats after the first few notes,
while the other is not bothered even by the
loudest parts EXCEPT Logos Red part. At that point
she makes every effort to prevent evil forces from
leaving the speakers :-)
If your dog has failed at the watch-dog training,
try this remarkable piece of music (I do not take
responsibility for bites, though).
All right, that is all from me for today.
Paul
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Date: Sat Mar 28, 1998 10:22
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Subject: Re: edgar and td facts page
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Really-From: TWeibre361
In a message dated 98-03-28 15:19:49 EST, you write:
<< But in 'Fred
Smiths' case, I saw no reason for this harsh reaction. There are many
anonymous entries in the guestbook, made by the likes of 'Long time T.D.
fan', 'A Wishful Thinker' and 'gemini'. It was only because of the
indignant tone of the 'Focus on the Facts' page that my first reaction was
to assume that 'Fred Smiths' posting was removed only because it offered
an opposing view. >>
let me ask a dumb question: if the person signed his name 'fred smith' , how
can that be construed as anonymous? no comprendo...
tom w
np: robert fripp=exposure
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Subject: Hoenig's THE BLOB
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
www.neuharm.demon.co.uk/sh.htm
Shows the S/T as being available for $46.20 (second hand)...
I know somebody was looking for it (God knows why!)
MJ
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Subject: AM
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Ambient Monkeys:
I can't stand those rythms and melodies even pulled out the classic zone
which spoil the beauty of all this nature's expression : chirping birds and
refreshing waves, wild wolves and freezing winds, ascending monkeys and
sparkling streams.
What a climax, when, at 36:59, those stupid women's choir stop, letting the
entire musical space to a passing honking car which failed to run over a
lost monkey from the great green and yellow jungle.
Why all those insignificant (midi) pads, those trivial percussion in search
of Hades, whereas the sound of Heaven is so close?
Never, never do that again.
np : A frog at the pond / track #3 : the water-lily
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Date: Sat Mar 28, 1998 11:46
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Subject: Tangerine Dream Midi Files
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
If you're interested in midi files, check out
http://usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl/~trzcionk/
It's bizzare! At first looks, there are potentially
some great midi files... wait until you listen to them!
There's dolphin dance (reggae version)
big sleep in the search for hades (reggae version)
white eagle (disco version)
streethawk (seems like a polka version)
It's all weird. The author must be on drugs.
The funny thing is, they're put together pretty well.
To cap it all off, the sute is in a foreign that I can't understand.
(Polish I think).
A surreal experience.
Lawry
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Date: Sun Mar 29, 1998 12:38
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Subject: Re: Dogs and Logos
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 10:44 PM 3/28/1998 PST, Paul wrote:
>Which of you TaDreamers have dogs?
>I wonder how your dogs tolerate TD...
>If your dog has failed at the watch-dog training,
>try this remarkable piece of music (I do not take
>responsibility for bites, though).
Don't know about dogs, but when I listen to 'Zeit' I bite myself. :-)
Andrew
P.S. I am not allowed to listen to TD anywhere except in my car or in my
office donwstairs, where dogs, women, and children never come.
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Date: Sun Mar 29, 1998 6:45
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Subject: Re: Dogs and Logos
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> Really-From: pal szatmari
>
> Which of you TaDreamers have dogs?
> I wonder how your dogs tolerate TD...
>
> One of mine retreats after the first few notes,
> while the other is not bothered even by the
> loudest parts EXCEPT Logos Red part. At that point
> she makes every effort to prevent evil forces from
> leaving the speakers :-)
>
> If your dog has failed at the watch-dog training,
> try this remarkable piece of music (I do not take
> responsibility for bites, though).
>
> All right, that is all from me for today.
>
> Paul
Dogs & TD!?!?!? Come on guys! That's it...I'm apologizing to Elana so I
can go back to Goldtri. ;-p
Dano
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Subject: Re: Dogs and Logos
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Really-From: AOutland
In a message dated 98-03-28 16:46:45 EST, you write:
<<
Which of you TaDreamers have dogs?
I wonder how your dogs tolerate TD...
>>
I have a Doberman who just loves Catwalk. Within 2 seconds he is singing
along quite in tune with it. Actually, there are several TD compositions he
will start howling to; in fact, to play most of the music at all and be able
to hear it, I have to put him outside or in the bathroom. Dell
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Date: Tue Mar 24, 1998 2:46
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Subject: Another contriversal album?
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Really-From: Aured Azhallein Rancuel
Just re-reading through the FAQ on the TD homepage the other
day and came up on this one
>43. Is there any plan by the band to use a singer again for one of their
upcoming
>studio albums, because I don't agree with those fans who complained about
using
>human voices and lyrics in TD's music? 'Tyger' is still one of my favorite
albums.
> The new studio album, which has been released in September '96, does not
have
>any lyrics on it, but TD have been working for over a year now, composing and
>arranging a 3 hour musical play which will be performed probably for the first
>time in Australia in 1998. This play will have full choir and quite a few solo
>voices. ^^^^
Anyone know if this is still the plan, looks like we may have another
Tyger or
Cyclone coming our way this year...
-Scott
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Date: Sun Mar 29, 1998 10:04
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Subject: Re: sites for TD midi files?
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>
> Any web or ftp sites have TD midi files? Thanks.
http://kwest.net/multi-media/sound/midi/sequences/General_Midi/bands-t/Tangerine\
Dream/
have fun ...
André
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Subject: Discusssion Threads
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
Seeing as we have to postpone the D:live for a week or two,
I thought I would give you all another chance to comment
on TimeSquare, especially as no-one has posted any comments
yet! (Though my reminder was late due to my visit to Alpha Centauri).
I'll post my own review later today to get the ball rolling.
For the new people on the list, the weekly discussion threads
are a means of steering discussions with a specific topic in mind.
Though, reading the last couple of week's posts, this doesn't
always happen. Anyone and everyone can post their comments
on the weekly thread, so all you lurkers get your fingers out and
get posting. We're all very interested in your comments.
We are currently running an addendum for the main TD studio
albums, which was to fill a gap to allow the tape trees to
distribute material prior to the next major set of discussion
threads, which will be entitled D:Live and will cover live
shows, tours, bootlegs, and official live releases. I'll be posting
the schedule before we start.
Please do take part.
Lawry
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Date: Sun Mar 29, 1998 3:32
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Subject: Re: Dogs and Logos
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> Really-From: DJS
>
> tadream mailing list wrote:
> > Really-From: pal szatmari
> >
> > Which of you TaDreamers have dogs?
> > I wonder how your dogs tolerate TD...
My dog likes to stay with me while I listen to the music, TD included,
no matter how loud I set my stereo. He never had any other reaction
besides sleeping.
>
> Dogs & TD!?!?!? Come on guys! That's it...I'm apologizing to Elana so I
> can go back to Goldtri. ;-p
Seriously I unsigned recently because I didn't like the way Elana manage
the list- your case made me think. there is no democracy there just
Elanas decision. I don't want to be in a list like that. Besides, there
is another list where you are able to talk about E-music with freedom
( space-music) without having to think whether the artist fits that
stupid 'gold-tri' standard or not. Jesus!, what does she eat to be so
close-minded? (no flames intended, just an opinion)
--Francisco
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> Hello, Tadreamers,
>
> This evening, I put 'Ambient Monkeys' (the CD) into my computer's CD player.
> It didn't work : the player said 'unrecognized disk'. Others discs work
> properly. It's the first time I have this message...
>
> Has it happenned to anyone else?
It happened to me with 'Quinoa'. Could it be anything to do
with the single-track nature of those CDs?
Dennis
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Dreamers
Tape trees #3&4 are now being organized! the tape list is attached below;
Again, this is a NO-Profit deal for anyone.
***All levels of participation are welcome, even if you have nothing to
trade.*** If you can't make copies, then just sign up as a leaf. We want
everyone possible to be able to hear this music.
If you want to participate, please contact tom w. with
the following info:
1) name
2) e-mail address
3) your geographical location (city, state, country -- for organizational
purposes)
4) at what level you want to participate (eg source, digital branch, analog
branch, leaf) what resources you have (eg: a cdr burner--if so, can you do
analog->digital?; DAT cloning; analog dubbing deck or 2 MC decks; or only
digital->analog [ie: CD to MC])
5) can you provide masters, lo-gen tapes, CD/R boots, etc for this tree?
you will need to either provide trade material to your source or will need
to provide sufficient blank tape and an SASE for return of the tapes.
Branch-branch deals should use priority mail postage.
--> if you still owe blank/trade tapes to your parent/branch trees #1+2,
please make good on your obligation so that you can continue to participate
in these trees
------------------------------------------------------------
Abbreviations and Format:
Month.Day.Year City (Venue) Time (Medium of original source)
Original sources: Au = audience; SB = soundboard; FM, TV = broadcast; Vid.=
Video;
Media (self-explanatory?): MC = cassette tape; LP -= vinyl; CD; CDR; Vid =
video; LD (laser disc)
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tree 3 (2c90s + c100)
--> c90 #1
8.16.75 Orange (Festival Pop d'Orange, Theatre Antique et Gymnase)
59 min. (Au) MC
(4th generation; Oranges From France; Seekers of Dreams)
10.16.75 Liverpool (Cathedral) full encore 20 min. (Au) MC
PLUS:
--> c90#2:
9.23.75 Reims (Opera House) 85 min. (Au) MC
PLUS:
--> c100#1
10.16.75 Liverpool (Cathedral) 100 min (Au) MC
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
tree 4: (3c90s)
--> c90#1
2.9.76 Brussels (Jansen University) 105 min (Au) MC
(3rd gen)
PLUS
--> c90 #2
11.22.76 Paris (Palais du Sport) 109 min (Au) MC
(2nd gen.)
PLUS
--> c90 #3:
6.27.76 Berlin (Philharmonic) 33 min. (FM) CDR
(The Dream Is Not Always The
Same [best]; Danger Live, part 2; Tape Trax 2)
2.9.76 Brussels (Jansen University) 105 min (Au) MC
(--part 2)
11.22.76 Paris (Palais du Sport) 109 min (Au) MC
(--part 2)
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NB: update for tape trees #1+#2
the European and digital branches are now moving. the package with the
tapes had been detained, inspected and --finally-- released by customs
after a few weeks delay. If you haven't heard from your branch/parent,
expect to be contacted shortly. once these tapes have been distributed,
we'll start the D:LIVE! discussions
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Date: Sun Mar 29, 1998 3:39
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Subject: Electro Beats again!!
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Hi folks
Just noticed the updated Official KS Website (KDM's) regarding KS appearance
on the forthcoming Olaf Zimmermann's Electro Beats programme on April 6th.
It only mentions an interview, without details of any new music to be
broadcasted. Hilmar, will you offer your nice help again this time? :)))
It says KS will give interviews from April 5 - 7 to the Berlin media, so
Berliners please look out for the others.
Jeffrey
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Subject: Hungarian Concert Poster
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Hi folks
A few days ago Richard Bilek asked something about the Tournado CD booklet.
While I cannot answer his question, I found something else worthy of
interest for collectors of TD paper memorabilia. On the third last page of
the booklet were eight b & w photos.
There's one (bottom central) showing Edgar signing a poster. Now with the
corresponding ticket in my hand, I can confirm this poster is the Hungarian
Concert Poster (April 22, 1997) bearing the same picture as the ticket.
Another photo on the top right shows a supposedly German concert poster.
Without a magnifying glass, I could only guess this one to be the Erlangen
concert poster (April 13, '97). I did attend this concert but had no luck to
get it :(
Whoever has the said posters to offer please let me know :)
BTW, Tournado is now also available as a Japanese CD, catalogue no. is VPJ
038 Voiceprint Japan. Happy hunting...
Jeffrey
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #235
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Really-From: AslanFan1
I have a DESTINATION BERLIN AND DEAD SOLID PERFECT CD for sale.
They are getting hard to find, I couldn't get more from any of my usual US
sources.
If you're interested in either, please email me off list asap. THanks.
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Subject: tape trees: dubbing hints
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Even though many of you probably don't need to hear this, I have been asked
to post a short list of hints to help people make better dubs:
1) UNPACK your tapes. this doesn't just mean taking the wrapping off ;-)
put new tapes in your deck and fast forward and rewind them one time to
loosen the tape spool. sometimes the tight factory winding will cause some
decks to drag or stop. this is especially the case for you live tapers
using battery decks ;-)
2) use good quality tapes. Maxell XLII tapes are generally a standard
although TDKsa tapes are also quite good (and a few seconds longer); there
are also better quality / audophile tapes as well such as XLIIS and denon
#s 8,9,10 etc. etc.
3) metal tapes are also fine just make sure they are compatible with your
leaf's deck; also, if you dub deck-to-deck try not to increase the levels
going into a metal tape since some dubbing decks don't have bias control
and will create dubs on CRO2 which are too hot...
4) demagnetizers are recommended after about 20 hours of recording ... buy
one and use it at least every 2-3 tapes before magnetic build up on the
heads becomes noticeable.
5) buy and use wet and/or dry cleaners at least every 2 tapes -- or use
another method if you know how (like isopropyl alcohol and a good, tightly
rolled swab that won't leave little threads and fibers in your tape
mechanism). Be sure that whatever you use cleans the capstan, rollers, etc
and not just the heads.
6) if you have any doubts about your decks, get them cleaned and calibrated
professionally (and make sure to have the speed checked)
7) watch your recording levels and please DON'T make high-speed dubs...
especially since they are much more vulnerable to added EM interference
(like from a TV)
8) don't introduce dolby (unless at the request of a leaf / end user) or
any compression system (like DBX for you old timers ;-)
9) check and replace your patch cords. if your patch cords are more than 2
years old, chances are they need to be replaced before they become
fossilized ;-) if you live near the ocean, have salt-water fish tanks
(don't laugh, it's true ;-) or live in a corrosive atmosphere, you'll need
to check and replace your patch cords at least every 6 months. if you have
any doubts about them, replace them.
10) if you are in the tape trees for the long haul, you'll get a better
deal buying tapes in bulk packages. around my parts, Sam's Club and Tower
seem to have the best prices for Maxell; if you are buying a bunch of tapes
(like 50+), ask the manager for a bulk discount too (you might be surprised
;-) if they won't give you one, find someone who will.
lars
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Subject: Emusic lists & their owners...was Re: Dogs and Logos
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> >
> > Dogs & TD!?!?!? Come on guys! That's it...I'm apologizing to Elana so I
> > can go back to Goldtri. ;-p
>
> Seriously I unsigned recently because I didn't like the way Elana manage
> the list- your case made me think.
Wish more of you would to get the point across instead of bitching about
it in private emails. Francisco...you are an inspiration heh heh.
there is no democracy there just
> Elanas decision.
I'd have to agree with that. Even though I get dozens of emails agreeing
with me I have yet to really see any of them actually publicly agree or
do anything about it. Of course it's because they don't want to get
bounced from the list...but it tells you just how strongly people stand
behind their thoughts and opinions.
I don't want to be in a list like that.
Actually....you are. Tadream is quite limited to the discussion of TD.
Of course, that's understandable...it's a TD list. Now Goldtri on the
other hand is an emusic list undedicated to a specific band...so ALL
types of emusic should fit in there. The largest problem is the
powertripping egotistical list owners (Dave Datta excluded by far...who
watches and makes rational decisions as the wise wizard Gandalf, adorned
with the ancient pointy wizard hat and oak staff given to him thousands
of years ago...hehe). Elana isn't the only listowner to act the way she
does. I think it stems from IRC chat rooms, where people can create a
room and become the 'god' of that room, if you will. Some people, like
Dave, just do their job & maintain members when they have to. Others
relish in the arbitrating of this or that....as if their opinions are
the only ones that count (ugh, cough, Elana). I think the real owners of
the list are the people in it. They truly decide what goes down. If you
have no listmembers...there is no list.
Besides, there
> is another list where you are able to talk about E-music with freedom
> ( space-music) without having to think whether the artist fits that
> stupid 'gold-tri' standard or not.
Uh, well, there is a Tangerine Dream standard here. It's essentially the
same thing, isn't it? & space music? No thanks heh heh. No undefined
washes of sounds for me....give me melody baby!
Jesus!, what does she eat to be so
> close-minded? (no flames intended, just an opinion)
> --Francisco
Chocolate muffins and gourmet-brewed beer.
Dano
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Subject: CYBERTRACKS interview to edgar
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
Hi
I've made available a jpeg copy of this interview for those TD item
collectors
it's in my page for a while
http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fsalgado/cybertr.zip
regards
--- Francisco
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Subject: Re: Radio Station
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Really-From: AOutland
Someone on this list contacted me about the radio station in Maryland/DC
area that plays TD music. I have that information finally. Will you please re-
contact me off list? Aoutland@a...
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Subject: Re: Dogs and Logos
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Really-From: 'ROGER HELLIWELL'
>Really-From: pal szatmari
>
>
>
>Which of you TaDreamers have dogs?
>I wonder how your dogs tolerate TD...
>
>One of mine retreats after the first few notes,
>while the other is not bothered even by the
>loudest parts EXCEPT Logos Red part. At that point
>she makes every effort to prevent evil forces from
>leaving the speakers :-)
>
>If your dog has failed at the watch-dog training,
>try this remarkable piece of music (I do not take
>responsibility for bites, though).
>
>All right, that is all from me for today.
>
>Paul
No dogs...although my cat really, really, really dispises the opening to
'Lamb with Radar Eyes' from Goblin's Club. With the surround sound on, she
doesn't which speaker to attack first...
Roger
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Subject: GROOVE Unlimited
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
I'm nor sure if this site has been posted,
but there are some ineteresting CD's
listed.
http://mcs.nl/groove/latest.html
Greg H.
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> Really-From: DJS
>> I don't want to be in a list like that.
>
> Actually....you are. Tadream is quite limited to the discussion of TD.
> Of course, that's understandable...it's a TD list. Now Goldtri on the
I've never feel uncomfortable when discussing other e-musician here,
although I knew it was off topic I always felt tolerance.
> Besides, there
> > is another list where you are able to talk about E-music with freedom
> > ( space-music) without having to think whether the artist fits that
> > stupid 'gold-tri' standard or not.
>
> Uh, well, there is a Tangerine Dream standard here. It's essentially the
> same thing, isn't it? & space music? No thanks heh heh. No undefined
> washes of sounds for me....give me melody baby!
Well, Tadream has not any 'standard' just a topic.
As for space, well, not all e.miusicians are alike and undefined washes
well done are fantastic. Some artists discussed in space-music are great
musicians such as Steve Roach, Robert Rich, Patrick O'Hearn etc. ( not
to mention Klaus Schulze) and all of them do electronic music.
Regards
---Francisco
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Subject: Re: Dogs and Logos
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
No dogs here either.
But my cat generally doesn't like EM-music.
She gets all nervous and walks to the speakers
and then walks upstairs.
Especially with the high tones (Kitaro-like solos)
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
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Subject: Re: Dogs and Logos
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
Got no pets...
But I'm pretty sure that if I had any, they'd react to TD the same way
the rest of my family does.
Now, for an interesting twist: anybody have any *frogs* ? How do they
react to TD music?
Gabe
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Subject: Re: tape trees #3+4, call for participation (#1+2 update)
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Really-From: TWeibre361
In a message dated 98-03-29 10:15:37 EST, you write:
<< If you want to participate, please contact tom w. with
the following info:
>>
quick note....if u are already signed up for 1 and 2 , u are automatically
signed up...tell me if u want OFF... also, if there is anyone in the usa that
wants to be a branch leader for digital copies (cdr, dat, whatever u people
use) PLEASE get in touch...u gotta commit though...basically, i need one
person in the usa who can do digital for others in the usa...
also, all you participants have been great...its all about communication,
contact, trust, and all that sappiness....and the music of course....we're
only at 75....another 22 years coming up...wait till 77...and 82...and
86....kudos to lars for being a trooper...DUB
ON>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
tom w
np: CAN CAN CAN CAN CAN CAN CAN = hannover 69..............CAN CAN CAN
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Subject: Re: Hoenig's THE BLOB
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>Really-From: Michael A Jean
>Shows the S/T as being available for $46.20 (second hand)...
Well, I can sell you my mint copy of THE BLOB movie if you'd like?
It's on VHS NTSC format and can be had for about $15 (post incl in USA).
Vic
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> ....rom Goblin's Club. With the surround sound on, she
> doesn't which speaker to attack first...
> Roger
Does it mean GC is in surround ? Only this one ?
Rainer
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Subject: Modulations
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
A film was showing at the Cleveland International Film Festival this
weekend called 'Modulations.' It was billed as a documentary of the
history of electronic music. Unfortunately, I was unable to see it. Has
anyone seen it? Any TD?
Scott
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Subject: Re: tape trees #3+4, call for participation (#1+2 update)
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In a message dated 98-03-29 20:37:20 EST, you write:
<< quick note....if u are already signed up for 1 and 2 , u are automatically
signed up...tell me if u want OFF... also, if there is anyone in the usa that
wants to be a branch leader for digital copies (cdr, dat, whatever u people
use) PLEASE get in touch...u gotta commit though...basically, i need one
person in the usa who can do digital for others in the usa...
also, all you participants have been great...its all about communication,
contact, trust, and all that sappiness....and the music of course....we're
only at 75....another 22 years coming up...wait till 77...and 82...and
86....kudos to lars for being a trooper...DUB
ON>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
forgot to mention that the sign up for this tree ends friday, april 3...tree
will be posted over the weekend and my understanding is that the tapes will be
shipped to branch leaders on monday...so stock up on blanks and spend some
time on ur trade lists...remember that anything is tradeable...this is ur
chance to get spice girl remixes, porno movies, ticket stubs, td lighters, etc
etc....
tom w
np: dub syndicate - pounding system
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Subject: RE: tape trees: dubbing hints
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>10) if you are in the tape trees for the long haul, you'll get
a better
>deal buying tapes in bulk packages. around my parts, Sam's
Club and Tower
>seem to have the best prices for Maxell; if you are buying a
bunch of tapes
>(like 50+), ask the manager for a bulk discount too (you might
be surprised
>;-) if they won't give you one, find someone who will.
Or, you may want to try out Terrapin Tapes, which carries a full
range of tapes, incl. DAT, plus cords & other accessories. They have
great prices on tapes in quantity. They're at
http://www.terrapintapes.com. They have an 800 number as well. Let me
know if you want thins and I'll get it for you.
Scott
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Subject: RE: Dogs and Logos
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>Now, for an interesting twist: anybody have any *frogs* ? How
do they
>react to TD music?
Don't know about frogs but my friend's hemp plants lose their
tops when he listens to TD. :-)
Scott
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>In a message dated 98-03-27 22:19:26 EST, you write:
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><< Well, I KNOW what American football is... =)
>
> football everywhere else on earth is Soccer.
> >>
>
>You are wrong, what in the United States is called soccer, is called football
>everywhere else on earth.
I know this. I didn't state it very clearly. American football is a
derivative of rugby. American soccer is known worldwide as soccer.
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On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
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> Don't know about frogs but my friend's hemp plants lose their
> tops when he listens to TD. :-)
>
> Scott
Really? All TD? or only certain eras? ;)
I wonder if certain other species of Cannabis react in a similar way...
maybe this shows that TD's music actually conditioned drugs out of their
own systems!
;)
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>> Any web or ftp sites have TD midi files? Thanks.
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http://kwest.net/multi-media/sound/midi/sequences/General_Midi/bands-t/Tange
rine Dream/
Amazing how people just copy each other's websites. My MIDI files are on
this page, along with all the others which are on a list-member's page. I
really don't mind, and I'm glad mine are not credited to me because they
are wholly unfinished.
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Hi
Forgot to give further details regarding the Japanese Tournado CD - it's
actually the same TDI 008 CD plus the a Japanese paper strip and an insert
with Japanese text. Price is at Yen 2,730. Go for it only if you are a
hardcore fan...
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I have a couple of questions:
1. Did TD tour at all in 1985? I saw mention somewhere of a concert
date in the UK in 1985.
2. Does anyone know the going rate for the clear vinyl Fassbinder
bootleg? I have heard of prices around $100, but that seems high if
3,000 copies were supposedly pressed?
3. Anyone have any LP pressings from Venezuela to offer or TD 8-track
tapes? I wonder if any reel-to-reel tapes were released by TD? :-)
Thanks,
Vic
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In a message dated 98-03-30 14:30:45 EST, you write:
<< Anyone have any LP pressings from Venezuela >>
i can get u argentine pressings easy enough...how many u need?
tom w
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Hello again!
I checked QUINOA and it worked properly in the CDROM player of my
computer...
The question is still open with Ambient Monkeys : can anyone tell me if it
does work properly on one's computer? I think it will and only depends on
the CD, but what is the very reason, eh?
Note for those who didn't care the 2 lastest mails : QUINOA & AM are two
one-tracked CD. So, I do not think it's the reason.
Good night, everybody.
Fred
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>1. Did TD tour at all in 1985? I saw mention somewhere of a
concert
>date in the UK in 1985.
Vic, I'm appalled! You have a copy of my book! It clearly states
they played NO live dates in '85. they were probably too busy: they did
5 soundtracks that year, plus a studio album, plus a compilation, plus
Johannes left in October.
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At 10:46 PM 3/30/1998 +0200, you wrote:
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>
>
>Hello again!
>
>I checked QUINOA and it worked properly in the CDROM player of my
>computer...
>
>The question is still open with Ambient Monkeys : can anyone tell me if it
>does work properly on one's computer? I think it will and only depends on
>the CD, but what is the very reason, eh?
>
>Note for those who didn't care the 2 lastest mails : QUINOA & AM are two
>one-tracked CD. So, I do not think it's the reason.
>
>Good night, everybody.
>
>Fred
>
>np : QUINOA!
Both Qinoa and AM work just fine in my cd-rom reader. I checked after your
first message. Forgot to answer your message, however :-).
Could it be related to the 'autoplay' function (mine is set to ON)?
Might also be related to make, speed and type (scsi or ide) of player.
Bye.
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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Really-From: Michael Fox
My cats really dig the older TD. They don't get into the Private Music
years at all and ToB sends them up the wall. They seem to think Oasis is
good and go for Waterborne in a big way, but they think that Tournado is
simply the studio cuts rehashed before an audience. Their favorite is
Tangram. Miss Puss Puss has tried to send an entry to the guestbook on the
webpage but her typing stinks!
Mike
oh yeah......BIG;-)
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> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
> >1. Did TD tour at all in 1985? I saw mention somewhere of a
> concert
> >date in the UK in 1985.
> Vic, I'm appalled! You have a copy of my book! It clearly states
> they played NO live dates in '85. they were probably too busy: they did
> 5 soundtracks that year, plus a studio album, plus a compilation, plus
> Johannes left in October.
Plus, the studio material Edgar & Chris did, post-Johannes, in '85, some of
which was shelved but saw daylight on disc 5 of Dreamroots :-)))
E-Man
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Give more details as to what machine you are trying this on, maybe someone
with similar hardware / software can try it. It works fine on the two
computers where I normally play music.
--tom
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At 03:21 PM 3/30/1998, you wrote:
>Really-From: Michael Fox
>
>
>My cats really dig the older TD. They don't get into the Private Music
>years at all and ToB sends them up the wall. They seem to think Oasis is
>good and go for Waterborne in a big way, but they think that Tournado is
>simply the studio cuts rehashed before an audience. Their favorite is
>Tangram. Miss Puss Puss has tried to send an entry to the guestbook on the
>webpage but her typing stinks!
>
>Mike
>oh yeah......BIG;-)
Yeah well, I think my cat made his opinion quite clear....he peed on the
speakers.
Also got his tiny butt smacked.
Now to try to clean it up.
jp
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HI GANG!
Just back from a trip to Chicago, and on my way to another. Surprise my
eyes, all that has developed in my absence. While it was nice for our beloved
Vikings (that's for Dano) to finally speak up, I admit I was as confused as
many here on the list as to what the hell they where talking about. I did
however get a charge out of Steves asking for Mr. Smith to repost his letter.
Molassar's servant eh Steve? Anyhoo, good debate is why we are here.
Personally I like the Blue Moon boot better than the Official release, and have
made up my own tape compiling all the music with some dialog thrown in. I need
the Logos track on MY Keep ST. It isnt the Keep without the Logos 2 track. Well
I got a few LP's on my trip at a well used record hole in the wall. Finally
found the early albums In The Beginning box set with Zeit, Alpha,Green Desert,
etc. Paid the most for it too. $39.99 -it is in OK shape , but the albums are
mint. Imagine my surprise when I got home and saw that someone wrote all over
the discography on the last page adding the albums as they went along. IN PEN!
In BAD penmanship!!! Jeez, did I pay too much for this? Can you still get a
mint copy? Anyone?
Also picked up Phaedra, and a copy of KS Dune , and Mindphaser. The Dune
however has a diff cover than the reflective silver one I already have. Also
got a few other electronic albums , and TD related LPS-Like Konrad Schnitzler.
Anyhow, good to see the second tree leg is up , and more tunes on the way.
Chris
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Before I add any comments, this is what I just found on the TDI
website:
| From Frederick Smythe at Mon, 30/Mar/98 18:22:
| To Steven and all other TD fans: Rest assured that my entry was not
| removed because Fred Smith was a false name. However, this forum
| belongs to Edgar & Jerome, and they are certainly free to do with it
| as they please. It is sad that meaningful disagreement is squelched,
| but no hard feelings from my side. To all who had seen and might reply
| to my comments, please do not continue. I have no desire to engage in
| an ongoing dialog over this, and clearly the owners of this site do
| not wish to see it either.
So, it seems that talking about what Fred said is moot, but then,
the matter remains re his posting to the guestbook being 'anonymous.'
It seems to me that the post was not anonymous--but rather that the
poster did not give a contact (i.e. net-) address: he is not posting
anonymously, he just doesn't want his *address* divulged. I don't see
this and the matter of posting anonymously as being the same thing.
-- Steven Feldman
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>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> >1. Did TD tour at all in 1985? I saw mention somewhere of a
>concert
> >date in the UK in 1985.
> Vic, I'm appalled! You have a copy of my book! It clearly states
>they played NO live dates in '85. they were probably too busy: they did
>5 soundtracks that year, plus a studio album, plus a compilation, plus
>Johannes left in October.
So why couldn't they squeeze in a tour also? ;-) Of course I have and read
your book. I also have Voice in the Dunes and both mention that TD did not
tour in 1985. I was just curious if they snuck in a show and everyone forgot?
Vic
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Hi,
I just got this quoted to me for a copy of AGES:
| ITALIAN LIRA 40.000 PLUS SHIPPING.
| AIRMAIL - LIT. 15.000
| SURFACE MAIL - LIT. 10.000
Can anyone decipher the above for me?
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> I just got this quoted to me for a copy of AGES:
>
> | ITALIAN LIRA 40.000 PLUS SHIPPING.
Hmmm....well, according to Yahoo's currency converter, 40,000 Lira is
equivilant to $21.96 U.S.
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I am interested in obtaining any live, studio, or TV appearance videos of
the group. Please mail me privately if you can help. Thanks in advance!!!
Kevin
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> In a message dated 98-03-30 17:10:53 EST, you write:
>
> <<
> Yeah well, I think my cat made his opinion quite clear....he peed on the
> speakers.
>
> Also got his tiny butt smacked.
>
> Now to try to clean it up.
> >>
> This has been one of the funniest entries to this thread, but I'd like to
> say also that the whole thread has been fun. Lighten up, Dano;
What!?!? Me lighten up!?!? Heh, I was the king of lightening up until
people cried on this very list about humor running rampant.
we need humor
> from time to time and this has been great. LMAO, Dell
I agree...I wish a few months ago when Eli & I made more creative humor
that we weren't lynched the way we were. My how hypocritical people
are....aren't they? Personally, I think the observation that Nick Nolte
& Edgar Froese never being seen in one place at the same time is more
humorous than a cat pissing on speakers...but of course...that's just
MO. Heh heh.
Dano
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> Really-From: Jen Phillips
Aha! Proof that there *are* female TD fans! Welcome to the list, Jen.
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At 10:28 PM 3/30/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: Jen Phillips
>
>Hi everyone! I just joined this list and thought I'd start out by
>introducing myself. My name is Jen, and I'm from Pennsylvania, USA.
>I'm 18 years old, and graduated from high school in 97.
>
>I don't know much about TD yet, but learn to learn alot from this
>list. I first heard of them from someone on the Enigma mailing list,
>and am quickly becoming a big fan. So far the only TD cd that I own is
>The Private Music of Tangerine Dream, which I love. I ordered 4 other
>ones from Columbia House and am waiting to get them. I don't remember
>the names of them right now though. I think 1 of them may have been 220
>Volt Live.
The 4 you are getting are probably 220 Volt Live, Turn of the Tides,
Rockoon, and maybe Tyranny of Beauty. These are all from the 1990-1995 era.
Yes, there are different eras to Tangerine Dream's long history.
Below are all my opinion of course:
(albums listed are the most known of this period)
1969-1973 Experimental Very experimental stuff. You probably won't like
it on first listen...
Atem, Green Desert
1974-1979 Ambient Years During these years, TD made use of the very first
analogue synthesizers and keyboards.
Phaedra, Rubycon, Stratosfear, Force Majeure,
Encore Live
1980-1986 Sequencing During these years, TD embraced the brand new
Years sequencing equipment. Most of their music was
still created by analogue synths, etc. and tape
loops.
White Eagle, Exit, Logos, Poland 2CD, Hyperborea,
Tangram
1987-1989 Melrose Years TD abandoned their analog equipment completely
and went 100% digital.
The Private music of Tangerine Dream (compilation)
1990-1995 Grammy Years TD brought on saxophone, guitar, drums, other
woodwind instruments. They received 5 grammy
nominations for this stuff.
220 Volt Live, Turn of the Tides, Rockoon, The
Dream Mixes, Tyranny of Beauty
1996-pres ------------- In the past 2 years, TD has released very little
new music. Most has been rereleases of their old
stuff.
Goblin's Club, Dream Mixes 2, Ambient Monkeys,
Oasis soundtrack
Tangerine Dream did the soundtracks for Legend, Sorcerer, The Keep, Miracle
Mile, Streethawk (TV show), Firestarter, Risky Business, The Heartbreakers,
Catch me if you Can, and others...
>Any suggestions or info from anyone would be appreciated. And also, any
>links to TD pages would be great!
There's always the official Tangerine Dream website at www.tadream.de...
Morgan
feldon@p...
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> Really-From: Jen Phillips
>
>
> Hi everyone! I just joined this list and thought I'd start out by
> introducing myself. My name is Jen, and I'm from Pennsylvania, USA.
> I'm 18 years old, and graduated from high school in 97.
>
> I don't know much about TD yet, but learn to learn alot from this
> list. I first heard of them from someone on the Enigma mailing list,
> and am quickly becoming a big fan. So far the only TD cd that I own is
> The Private Music of Tangerine Dream, which I love. I ordered 4 other
> ones from Columbia House and am waiting to get them. I don't remember
> the names of them right now though. I think 1 of them may have been 220
> Volt Live.
>
> Any suggestions or info from anyone would be appreciated. And also, any
> links to TD pages would be great!
>
> Hope to hear from ya all soon.
>
> --
> Jen
Hi Jen!!
I discovered TD when I was 18 also, in fact, with the same album
that you mentioned! I graduated in 96' and I'm 19 now, but my list of TD
items
keeps on growing! One word of the wise, if you get some old TD albums, and
hate them, don't worry--just hold on to them--you'll learn to love them
eventually!
Some very good TD albums to start with:
'Oasis'
'The Dream Mixes'
'Underwater Sunlight'
'Optical Race'
'Tangram'
'Melrose'
Greg H.
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Jen writes:
> So far the only TD CD that I own is
> The Private Music of Tangerine Dream, which I love.
OK guys, forget about Logos and the cats and dogs, we have a completely
different thread now....David
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At 08:52 PM 3/30/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
>> Really-From: Jen Phillips
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone! I just joined this list and thought I'd start out by
>> introducing myself. My name is Jen, and I'm from Pennsylvania, USA.
>> I'm 18 years old, and graduated from high school in 97.
>>
>> I don't know much about TD yet, but learn to learn alot from this
>> list. I first heard of them from someone on the Enigma mailing list,
>> and am quickly becoming a big fan. So far the only TD cd that I own is
>> The Private Music of Tangerine Dream, which I love. I ordered 4 other
>> ones from Columbia House and am waiting to get them. I don't remember
>> the names of them right now though. I think 1 of them may have been 220
>> Volt Live.
>>
>> Any suggestions or info from anyone would be appreciated. And also, any
>> links to TD pages would be great!
>>
>> Hope to hear from ya all soon.
>>
>> --
>> Jen
>
>Hi Jen!!
>
> I discovered TD when I was 18 also, in fact, with the same album
>that you mentioned! I graduated in 96' and I'm 19 now, but my list of TD
>items
>keeps on growing! One word of the wise, if you get some old TD albums, and
>hate them, don't worry--just hold on to them--you'll learn to love them
>eventually!
>Some very good TD albums to start with:
>
>'Oasis'
>'The Dream Mixes'
>'Underwater Sunlight'
>'Optical Race'
>'Tangram'
>'Melrose'
Amazing how people have different ideas and opinions...
'Logos'
'Force Majeure'
'Oasis'
'The Dream Mixes'
'Livemiles'
'Poland 2CD'
Morgan
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At 10:28 PM 3/30/1998 -0500, Jen wrote:
[.............]
>Any suggestions or info from anyone would be appreciated. And also, any
>links to TD pages would be great!
Hello, Jen. Welcome to the list.
As you will soon find out, various people have differring ideas of what
they like or what they don't like about certain TD albums. Some of this you
will have to discover on your own, because you will find a unique way of
listening. It will be YOUR taste. Suffice is to say that you are about to
embark on a journey of musical dreams which will change you. BTW, many of
us on this list will fess up to having been changed by TD's music, if you
ask them. Oh, yes, before you ask, and you will want to: the ages of the
people on this list is from 15 to 55 and from 5 continents (I don't
remember anyone from Africa or Antarctica, although some Morrocans,
Egyptians or South Africans may have subscribed, without introducing
themselves).
You can start your virtual journey with the official TD home page at:
http://www.netstore.de/tadream/
Others, in no particular order are:
Conny Andersson's site: http://cbear.com/conny/music/td/eng/index.html
Jupe's site: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/home.htm
Morten Moen's site: http://home.sol.no/~mmoen/tadream/
Pawel Jachowicz' site: http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~pavel/music/tadream.html
Peter Ravn's site: http://www.dtv.dk/privat/pr/music.htm
Simon Clarke's site: http://website.lineone.net/~simon.clarke/td.htm
Stephan Bischoff's site:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/tadream.htm
Armin Theissen's site: http://aibn55.astro.uni-bonn.de:8000/~theiss
(server down tonight)
Some of these absolutely brilliant, most are quite infromative, and some
are presented very estethically.
I know you will enjoy yourself.
Andrew
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Really-From: AOutland
In a message dated 98-03-30 17:10:53 EST, you write:
<<
Yeah well, I think my cat made his opinion quite clear....he peed on the
speakers.
Also got his tiny butt smacked.
Now to try to clean it up.
>>
This has been one of the funniest entries to this thread, but I'd like to
say also that the whole thread has been fun. Lighten up, Dano; we need humor
from time to time and this has been great. LMAO, Dell
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Really-From: Jen Phillips
Hi everyone! I just joined this list and thought I'd start out by
introducing myself. My name is Jen, and I'm from Pennsylvania, USA.
I'm 18 years old, and graduated from high school in 97.
I don't know much about TD yet, but learn to learn alot from this
list. I first heard of them from someone on the Enigma mailing list,
and am quickly becoming a big fan. So far the only TD cd that I own is
The Private Music of Tangerine Dream, which I love. I ordered 4 other
ones from Columbia House and am waiting to get them. I don't remember
the names of them right now though. I think 1 of them may have been 220
Volt Live.
Any suggestions or info from anyone would be appreciated. And also, any
links to TD pages would be great!
Hope to hear from ya all soon.
--
Jen
jenmp@s... 'or'
enigma2@g...
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Subject: LUMINOUS VISIONS, OASIS, and VIDEO DREAM MIXES
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Hi, Groovy Guys 'n' Gals,
I was over Lars' house the other day, shootin' the sh*t about TD
and comparin' notes, as it were, and when he showed me some footage
from the LUMINOUS VISIONS, OASIS, and VIDEO DREAM MIXES videos, it
struck me that he and I should disagree so violently on the first two.
(Guess what our immediate reaction to the third, i.e. VIDEO DREAM MIXES
was, hee hee.) I hadn't seen anything from any of the three of them,
so my reactions were all very spontaneous and organic.
Lars first played about three-quarters of the OASIS video for me.
As he is writing a dissertation on the psychology of religious art (or
somesuch; forgive me Lars, for I not not of what you speak), his remarks
came fast and furious re various dichotomies, but I merely noted that
the union twixt visuals and music was a little more pronounced than in
CANYON DREAMS. Admittedly, there were indeed some psychedelically-hued
sequences, but I'm not sure I agree with Lars that each and every shot
was impartially recorded: I assumed that color filters had been used to
boost and/or alter some of the colors coming into the lens.
Lars then popped LUMINOUS VISIONS into the VCR and--immediately--
I was close to swooning. I don't think I've said 'Oh, cool!' that many
times since the late 70's. Really. Lars was in a snit, saying that
the visuals almost never matched the pulse of the music, and that the
imagery was purely voyeuristic and didn't draw the viewer in nor call
attention to the nature of the edges of the visuala field (or something
like that). I was too sucked-in by what I was watching to be critical,
though, and I actually preferred the visual interpretations of the TD
songs in LUMINOUS VISIONS to those in OASIS in just about *every* case.
To me, a song has a melody, and a beat, and a rhythm--which makes a
total of three different approaches a video can take to interpreting any
given portion of a song. In this sense, I found very few gaffes in the
LUMINOUS VISIONS video. This is THE item to expose trendy electronica
types to, folks! And it's a keeper! Buy it! Buy it for friends!
The VIDEO DREAM MIXES seemed like little more than glorified home
movies, and I think it is perhaps best not to let on what I *really*
thought about it, given that Lars thought the very same thing and he
tends not to like portraying TD in a bad light in a public forum. ;)
As a follow-up, I must admit that LUMINOUS VISIONS is the only TD
compilation album featuring a complete lack of TANGENTS-izing that I
have looked forward to and subsequently enjoyed playing. IMnsHO, the
guy who decided to put 'Towards the Evening Star,' 'Rough Embrace,' and
'Catwalk (Black Ink Mix)' altogether in a row should be congratulated.
It is because these three tracks--as well as 'Change of the Gods,'
'Sojus,' and 'Flashflood' are all on this CD that I was in such a hurry
to buy it. I don't have a CD-changer, so it's great to have 'Towards
the Evening Star,' 'Rough Embrace,' and 'Catwalk (Black Ink Mix)' all on
one disc!
Also, need I mention that for non-hardcore American TD fans, this
will be the first time hearing 'Catwalk (Black Ink Mix),' 'Sojus,' and
the two radio edits that were on the second disc of the UK version of
THE DREAM MIXES?
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: How TD has changed ME
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Interesting thread, Andrew, think I'll perpetuate it. After listening to over
a week's music on headphones (loudly), I can honestly say that my hearing
capabilities have changed. I'm not sure that I can agree that music, TD in
particular, can change a person. I mean, what are we talking about here,
physiology? I guess I've changed from when I first started to listen to TD,
which by the way, is approaching 20 years. I've put on a few pounds. Can I
attribute this to TD? The music we listen to is the soundtrack of our lives.
We change the music, the music doesn't change us....David
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Subject: Attention, Vic and all home page owners
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Really-From: Klaus Beschorner
One slow morning with enogh time to browse thru tadream again-
and still being appalled...
Anyway... Many home pages of list members carry links to a
jurassic version of my TD-bootlegography on pmcohen´s page.
This is so outdated that it's just embarrassing. Anyone
interested in an up-to-date version should download it
(or link it to)
http://www.wiesenhof.com/klaus/Td_boots.txt
I have now separated the CDRs from the 'real' bootlegs.
As for Vic's questions:
>1. Did TD tour at all in 1985? I saw mention somewhere of a concert
>date in the UK in 1985.
Vic, you did the no-no-thing, you trusted a bootleg cover ;-)
'Electronic Inspiration' _claims_ to be 1985, but is UK 1986.
>2. Does anyone know the going rate for the clear vinyl Fassbinder
>bootleg? I have heard of prices around $100, but that seems high if
>3,000 copies were supposedly pressed?
Vic, you did another no-no-thing, not reading my old article ;-)
A large part of the second pressing of 2000 was destroyed in a
police bust, so there are some 1000-1500 copies around. They are
old, and look and sound good, so people tend to stick to them.
So, no big supply, so high prices. $100-150 is realistic (for
'mint' copies, of course).
outta here...
klaus
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Hi,
somebody wrote:
> Armin Theissen's site: http://aibn55.astro.uni-bonn.de:8000/~theiss
>(server down tonight)
this link is really really old. Stoneage. It actually doesn't exist anymore.
Hurry up to update all bookmarks to
http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td/tadream.html
please!!!!!
armin
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Really-From: Jens Kilian
> Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?='
> The question is still open with Ambient Monkeys : can anyone tell me if it
> does work properly on one's computer? I think it will and only depends on
> the CD, but what is the very reason, eh?
It works perfectly in my BeBox ;-)
Jens.
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Really-From: Vic Rek
> Really-From: Klaus Beschorner
> http://www.wiesenhof.com/klaus/Td_boots.txt
> Vic, you did the no-no-thing, you trusted a bootleg cover ;-)
> Vic, you did another no-no-thing, not reading my old article ;-)
But Klaus, you did a good-good thing of reminding me and this list to
check your listings again :-) Thanks for the info!
BTW, it's been a long time since I've read a good reprimand from you,
Klaus. I'm glad you're reading the list again ;-)
Vic
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Subject: Luminous Visions Promo CD
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Really-From: Vic Rek
I'm just opening up the Luminous Visions Video/CD set that I picked up
for only $3.99 from CDNow (after applying $10 certificate given to me by
a cool list member - right MJ?).
I haven't played the CD or viewed the video, but I like the cover and
the track lineup.
Now some CD details: (Forgive me if I'm repeating this information)
There is also an insert stating to check the TD website for upcoming
1998 US Tour dates. In addition, on the tray insert it states 'Promo CD
- Not for Sale' and on the disk in tiny letters it states 'Demonstration
Only - Not for Sale'. Are all of these CDs released like this? Does
this imply that there will be a non-promo release? And if not, then why
label it promo (versus 'this CD must not be sold separately') if it
comes bundled with the video? And to complicate things more, the TD
website gives a track listing for this with an extra track at the end
'Spanish Love'.
Anyone have a different version?
Vic
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At 10:30 AM 3/31/1998 +0200, Klaus wrote:
>
>One slow morning with enogh time to browse thru tadream again-
>and still being appalled...
>
>Anyway... Many home pages of list members carry links to a
>jurassic version of my TD-bootlegography on pmcohen´s page.
>This is so outdated that it's just embarrassing. Anyone
>interested in an up-to-date version should download it
>(or link it to)
>
>http://www.wiesenhof.com/klaus/Td_boots.txt
>
>I have now separated the CDRs from the 'real' bootlegs.
Point well made, Klaus. I have taken a few minutes this morning to let each
of the site owners know about the availability and location of the updated
list. Unfortunately, Armin's site is still down, so I don't know if he has
a link to the out-of-date reference. Let's hope this time your request
doesn't fall on deaf ears.
Best,
Andrew
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 09:53 AM 3/31/1998 +0100, Armin wrote:
>> Armin Theissen's site: http://aibn55.astro.uni-bonn.de:8000/~theiss
>>(server down tonight)
>
>this link is really really old. Stoneage. It actually doesn't exist anymore.
>Hurry up to update all bookmarks to
>
>http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td/tadream.html
Sorry, Armin. Old site deleted from bookmarks. New site firmly entrenched.
It's a terrific site. Thanks.
Best,
Andrew
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> Really-From: Klaus Beschorner
>
> One slow morning with enogh time to browse thru tadream again-
> and still being appalled...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sorry things aren't interesting enough for you, Klaus. But never fear, the
following threads are due anytime, so please stay tuned:
*Does The Keep lp really exist? (oh, sorry, Steven's already got that
cookie long-a-bakin')
*TD's cover of 'Greased Lightning'
*Edgar arranging for a psychic to channel Jimi Hendrix so TD can do a
*really* good version of
'Purple Haze'
I hope that brightens your day. Like Bob Ross says, 'it's all fluffy, white
clouds.'
E-Man
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If anyone has been sending me mail, I am able to send out
(SMTP server seems ok) but cannot get incoming mail
(POP3 seems knackered.) Hopefully it'll all be sorted out
within the next couple of days, but if you're waiting for a reply
don't hold your breath. Apologies in advance...
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>We change the music, the music doesn't change us....David
I don't think so. I think music, TD's in particular, has
definitely changed me, but I can't tell you how, since there isn't a
control copy of me to compare it to.
Scott
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>> Any suggestions or info from anyone would be appreciated.
And also, any
>> links to TD pages would be great!
> I discovered TD when I was 18 also, in fact, with the
same album
>that you mentioned! I graduated in 96' and I'm 19 now, but my
list of TD
A match made in heaven! :-) Sorry.
My suggestion: first, buy my TD book. :-) Then, buy more of the
compilations, preferably one that spans a long time. Then use those to
determine which TD tunes you like, and buy the albums that have those
tunes on them. If you listen to the suggestions from us of which
specific album to buy, you'll end up buy the whole catalog, since each
of us has a different opinion. Once you've bought all the stuff that the
comps are drawn from, you can unload the comps on the list.
A word of warning, though: be prepared to buy A LOT! they have
over 100 album, single and soundtrack releases.
Scott
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>> >1. Did TD tour at all in 1985? I saw mention somewhere
of a
>>concert
>> >date in the UK in 1985.
>> Vic, I'm appalled! You have a copy of my book! It
clearly states
>>they played NO live dates in '85. they were probably too busy:
they did
>>5 soundtracks that year, plus a studio album, plus a
compilation, plus
>>Johannes left in October.
>So why couldn't they squeeze in a tour also? ;-) Of course I
have and read
>your book. I also have Voice in the Dunes and both mention
that TD did not
>tour in 1985. I was just curious if they snuck in a show and
everyone forgot?
Well, most of their dates from the '80s on seem pretty
well-documented (except Athens '84! Argh!), so I'd be very surprised if
they did play live. A one-off show is possible, but I've seen no mention
of it. And now that I think about it, I think the '86 tour book mentions
that they hadn't played live since '84 in Athens. You could try the
guestbook, though. I asked if they made it to the Doctor Music Festival
last year, because they were on the bill with another of my fave bands,
Phish, but they said their appearance was cancelled. Darn.
Scott
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>
> -
> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
> > Really-From: Klaus Beschorner
> >
> > One slow morning with enogh time to browse thru tadream again-
> > and still being appalled...
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Sorry things aren't interesting enough for you, Klaus. But never fear, the
> following threads are due anytime, so please stay tuned:
>
> *Does The Keep lp really exist? (oh, sorry, Steven's already got that
> cookie long-a-bakin')
> *TD's cover of 'Greased Lightning'
> *Edgar arranging for a psychic to channel Jimi Hendrix so TD can do a
> *really* good version of
> 'Purple Haze'
>
> I hope that brightens your day. Like Bob Ross says, 'it's all fluffy, white
> clouds.'
>
> E-Man
You forgot to mention that next week we will be discussing the effects
of construction workers who listen to TD on the job. Is Rubycon the best
album for those high rise jobs or does White Eagle rock best whilst
mixing cement? ;-)
Dano
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>
> >We change the music, the music doesn't change us....David
>
> I don't think so. I think music, TD's in particular, has
> definitely changed me, but I can't tell you how, since there isn't a
> control copy of me to compare it to.
>
> Scott
Well, I built a robot of myself back in....oh let's see..1985... before
I discovered TD. The robot was denied TD ever since...even to this day.
I on the other hand have listened to TD since 85 and the effects I think
are obvious. The robot seems to respond much better to idiots than I
do....I think it's a patient thing. I, on the other hand, have become
this big Tom Savini fan who just can't get enough of the walking dead
and movies about girls with green eyes & stolen trucks in little China.
I think Logos had something to do with that...well...perhaps it was the
fact that they called Street Hawk LA streetHawk instead of just Street
Hawk...but who knows? It could have also been the side effects of
watching Rex Smith try to act his way out of the paper bag. More info on
how the robot it doing later...
Dano
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Hello Everybody!
Another new member to the list! My name is Ami Hassinen and from the exotic
name you probably guessed that I´m from Zimbabwe. Well, not really...I´m
from Finland, Scandinavia and I´ve been a devoted TD fan from the 1983
onwards...
I´m 31 years old now and work as an art teacher (MA), but I waste most of my
sparetime with music-related activities. Played synths and guitar in bands
since 1985 (been on albums and compilations...some of those have even been
published in the US of A by Logic Records). Well, more of that later if
someone´s interested... by the way, are there other fans-turned-musicians on
the list?
I´m afraid that I´m one of those fans that think that TD made their best
albums between 1972-1983. That does not mean that I dislike their later
output but generally I agree with the things Mr. Stump wrote in his book
'Digital Gothic'.
Being a newcomer in the net, this is actually my first mailing list
experience. So I won´t mind if you correct me on the 'list policies' if need
arises. Lately I´ve been very much into collecting TD tapes and will be very
interested in swapping material...
Well, that´enough for a starters I guess...
Cheerio to all list members from the polar circle,
Ami
ps.
Has anybody any info about Mr. Baumanns activities during the last decade or so?
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> Really-From: DJS
>
> > Sorry things aren't interesting enough for you, Klaus. But never fear,
the
> > following threads are due anytime, so please stay tuned:
> >
> > *Does The Keep lp really exist? (oh, sorry, Steven's already got that
> > cookie long-a-bakin')
> > *TD's cover of 'Greased Lightning'
> > *Edgar arranging for a psychic to channel Jimi Hendrix so TD can do a
> > *really* good version of
> > 'Purple Haze'
> >
> > I hope that brightens your day. Like Bob Ross says, 'it's all fluffy,
white
> > clouds.'
> >
> > E-Man
>
> You forgot to mention that next week we will be discussing the effects
> of construction workers who listen to TD on the job. Is Rubycon the best
> album for those high rise jobs or does White Eagle rock best whilst
> mixing cement? ;-)
>
> Dano
Totally forgot about that one. I guess I was focusing on its complement,
the effect of 'Birth of Liquid Pleijades' and 'Coldwater Canyon' played
simultaneously (one or the other on *backward play*) in the close proximity
of (and at excrutiating volume) on gardeners who are using gas blowers and
weedeaters.
E-Man
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Subject: fassbinder -- for vic
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Vic writes:
>2. Does anyone know the going rate for the clear vinyl Fassbinder
>bootleg? I have heard of prices around $100, but that seems high if
>3,000 copies were supposedly pressed?
--> I've seen them about $30-40 which I consider a decent price. I
certainly wouldn't pay more than $50-60 US for one (unless I was REALLY
deparate) .. Especially since the fan tape has an extra 6min not on the EP!
lars
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At 02:05 PM 3/30/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Yeah well, I think my cat made his opinion quite clear....he peed on the
>speakers.
Man! Sounds like this cat is no friend of Viking/Norse gods!
Mike
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>
>Both Qinoa and AM work just fine in my cd-rom reader. I checked after your
>first message. Forgot to answer your message, however :-).
>
>Could it be related to the 'autoplay' function (mine is set to ON)?
>
>Might also be related to make, speed and type (scsi or ide) of player.
>
>Bye.
>
>
>
>jp
>
No, one CD (Quinoa) works and the other (AM) doesn't. Moreover, I have one
IDE and one SCSI CDROM reader and both work or don't. Autoplay is ON too.
Fred
np : Stone Age - Reel Legend & Stone Trance
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At 01:50 AM 3/31/1998 EST, DAVENTURA wrote:
>Interesting thread, Andrew, think I'll perpetuate it. After listening to
over
>a week's music on headphones (loudly), I can honestly say that my hearing
>capabilities have changed. I'm not sure that I can agree that music, TD in
>particular, can change a person. I mean, what are we talking about here,
>physiology? I guess I've changed from when I first started to listen to TD,
>which by the way, is approaching 20 years. I've put on a few pounds. Can I
>attribute this to TD? The music we listen to is the soundtrack of our lives.
>We change the music, the music doesn't change us....David
Chicken or the egg...Who knows? OTOH, I can remember exactly the milestones
of my musical listening experiences.
As a youngster, after listening for years to Russian, Romanian, and
Hungarian 'patriotic' songs, I remember the precise moment when I heard
'Sophisticated Lady' (Duke Ellington) on the Voice of America. Bam! I was
hooked. The next years were spent listening and playing (clandestinely)
American jazz. Mostly the standards. Imitating (the best I could tunes hear
on short-wave radio): Oscar Peterson, Art Tatum, George Sheering, Bill
Evans,....
When I arrived at the shores of America, just as I saw the Statue of
Liberty, Dean Martin was singing 'Everybody Loves Somebody Sometimes.' Next
few years: Frank Sinatra,'evolving' to Brasil '66, Sergio Mendez, then
Moody Blues, Chicago, ......
1971, one sunny Sunday morning in a movie studio in Hollywood...Pink
Floyd's 'Meddle.' Bam!! Next few years with art rock (now called
progrock).....
1974, late at night, graduate student at FSU (Tallahassee) working on a
neurophysiological prep, the campus radio station plays Tangerine Dream's
'Phaedra.' BAM !!! Never the same again....
Have I changed because of the music, or am I listening to music
differently, because I am older? Physiological changes? You bet! Measure my
heart beat before and during a TD album. Measure my beta-endorphin level.
Then do the same with Garth Brooks. Guaranteed that my cortisol level (a
stress hormone) is up, instead.
But, listening to music cannot be reduced to a simple a physiological
state. I would hope there is more to me than just physiology. Like
feelings. I smile when I listen to TD. I am calmer. The world appears to be
a better place. I can ignore the fool drivers who tailgate in the rain or
drive exactly the speed limit in the left lane. I get re-energized at night
and can do some more work or tolerate my hyperactive kid better. In fact,
we play chess while listening to TD and other E-music. Oh, yes...TD was
just the beginning...check out GoldTri...
Did my waistline go from a 29 to a 35? My jackets from a 40 to a 43. Yup.
The relationship between them and TD's music? Probably none!
I guess some of you missed the discussion I had with Francisco with regards
to the possibility that listening to certain kinds of music enhances
performance and the ability to learn. I would recommend reading the new
edition of 'Superlearning ' by Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder.
Tangerine Dream is mentioned specifically.
Ohmmmmmmmmmmm.....
Andrew
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Rob Halford
April 1st, 7:00 p.m. EST
http://www.sonicnet.com
Former Judas Priest front man Rob Halford discusses
his new collaborative project with NIN's Trent Reznor titled 'Two.' Ask him
about their startling new video 'I Am A Pig' and the stinging new release
'Voyeurs' on Nothing/Interscope Records.
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At 09:50 PM 3/31/1998 +0300, Ami wrote:
>Another new member to the list! My name is Ami Hassinen and from the exotic
>name you probably guessed that I´m from Zimbabwe. Well, not really...I´m
>from Finland, Scandinavia and I´ve been a devoted TD fan from the 1983
>onwards...
Welcome to the list. It's always nice to see new folks tuning
in...especially ones with a sense of humor. :-)
>sparetime with music-related activities. Played synths and guitar in bands
>since 1985 (been on albums and compilations...some of those have even been
>published in the US of A by Logic Records). Well, more of that later if
>someone´s interested... by the way, are there other fans-turned-musicians on
>the list?
I think you will find what/who you need at GoldTri, a discussion list
devoted to E-music.
Send an e-mail to:
majordomo@a...
with the following command in the body of your email message:
subscribe goldtri your@e...
There are about a dozen new and established e-musicians on that list. A
caveat though: don't tell anybody that you sing, IF you sing. The Tri
stands for: electronic, progressive, instrumental.:-)
Regards,
Andrew
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> Really-From: ben@s... (Ben Smith)
>
> Rob Halford
> April 1st, 7:00 p.m. EST
> http://www.sonicnet.com
>
> Former Judas Priest front man Rob Halford discusses
> his new collaborative project with NIN's Trent Reznor titled 'Two.' Ask
him
> about their startling new video 'I Am A Pig' and the stinging new release
> 'Voyeurs' on Nothing/Interscope Records.
What's this sh*t doing here? Dude, I think there's a Judas Priest mailing
list for this...isn't there??
(I heard 'Two' sucks, anyway.)
E-Man
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>Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:37:11 -0800
>Subject: Re: Rob Halford Chat
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Elias Granillo, Jr.
>
>>Really-From: ben@s... (Ben Smith)
>>
>>Former Judas Priest front man Rob Halford discusses
>>his new collaborative project with NIN's Trent Reznor titled 'Two.'
>
>What's this sh*t doing here? Dude, I think there's a Judas Priest
>mailing list for this...isn't there?? (I heard 'Two' sucks, anyway.)
And here *I* was, thinking that this 'Ben Smith' was actually you
or Dano posting under an alias! ;)
Anyways, mebbe Jerome should tune in for some tips on how to look
keen in rock videos. Rob's always favored the tennis ball sheen over
the spikey ALADDIN SANE/PINUPS-era (that's 1973!) Bowie hairdo that
Jerome's got atop his pate, though. Hee hee.
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: me AND my PURCHASE
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Hi gang,
I have been asked by several list members the difference between the Dune
LP I recently purchased in Chicago and the Dune I previously had- here it is:
Dune - KLAUS SCHULZE
Brain Records 0060.225 (1979)
Silver reflective cover with hazy figure walking /back cover small photo inset
of KS with legs up on console.
And the one I just got:
Dune-KS
Gramavision 1870221(1979)
Picture of field with electronic diagram / back cover white with song titles
And I also got the
CON -Conrad Schnitzler
Pargon Records 1978
Produced by Peter Bauman
Cover TV set with CS on it/Back cover CS dressed like a mime conducting.
I hope this helps.
Seeya-
Chris
N.P. Young Frankenstein OS (old Vinyl)
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I have to say, I too am zombie obsessed and have JC tatooed into my hiney. My
pod hatched me in 1979 when in a craze puchased several albums next to and
around the horror section of my local record store. Why Electronic Med. Was in
there I will never know, but I bought that and Goblins 'Dawn ..'at the same
time. After letting various JC scores turn my brains into mush, I started going
back to TD and the Thief score was the one that clinched. Hooked ever since I
know slip new pods by many unsuspecting beds whilst they sleep (for some reason
they are all they are all list members). Let us hope our numbers mulitply like
the funky green jell on the ceiling of the church that Alice Cooper belongs
too.
Chris
Well, I built a robot of myself back in....oh let's see..1985... before I
discovered TD. The robot was denied TD ever since...even to this day. I on the
other hand have listened to TD since 85 and the effects I think are obvious.
The robot seems to respond much better to idiots than I do....I think it's a
patient thing. I, on the other hand, have become this big Tom Savini fan who
just can't get enough of the walking dead and movies about girls with green
eyes & stolen trucks in little China. I think Logos had something to do with
that...well...perhaps it was the fact that they called Street Hawk LA
streetHawk instead of just Street Hawk...but who knows? It could have also been
the side effects of watching Rex Smith try to act his way out of the paper bag.
More info on how the robot it doing later...
Dano
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Hello everyone,
My name is Kevin and I am 32 yrs. old. I have been a TD fan since 1981. I
have been subscribed to this list for a few weeks but have been lurking in
the background observing the daily rituals. This is my first exposure to a
mailing list!
Anyhow, to make a long story short, I made my first post yesterday
concerning an interest in any live and studio videos. What I got in
response was a few cryptic replies and much hesitation. I guess I did it
bass ackwards..... instead of introducing myself first and asking for
favors second.
I wanting to build a worthy TD collection, both Audio and Video. The only
video I have (aside from the usual 'official' ones) is a very BAD and
grainy one that has portions of the Poland concert, TD playing with an
orchestra a song from White Eagle, and a barely recognizable and incomplete
copy of the 1975 Cathedral concert.
I look forward to living the 'Dream'!!!!
Thanks,
Kevin
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Jen,
Greetings from an Brit in New Jersey.
The members of this list often venomously disagree about what is and
isn't the Best TD, but generally they fall into two camps; the 'I only
like the old stuff and this new stuff is cr*p' group and the 'TD lost it
when they started using preset sounds from mass-produced keyboards'
bunch.
Personally I've been collecting their albums since 1976 and it's been an
adventure, moving with them to their next new musical direction. In case
you didn't know they've changed the bands' line-up more times than you've
had hot dinners, and with each new influx of talent, imagination and
musical heritage they've graduated from one phase to another. Their
'live' albums often were so 'doctored' that they bore no resemblance to
the actual live performance. Their Soundtrack albums have varied from
brilliant to downright 'forget it'.
For me, I guess the best albums have been
'Melrose'
'Underwater Sunlight'
'The Dream Mixes'
and 'Optical Race'
So many friends of mine have heard Underwater Sunlight and become TD Fans
themselves as a result.
Welcome aboard.
TD Discovery tour leaving now......join it at http://www.tadream.de
np (Now Playing) New Order - Republic
Regards
Alistair Hull
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> Really-From: Jen Phillips
Aha! Proof that there *are* female TD fans! Welcome to the list, Jen.
>>
What am I, chopped liver? 8-) Dell
Hope you enjoy the links I sent you, Jen; welcome to the best list in the
world.
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Scott writes:
> My suggestion: first, buy my TD book.
OK, OK...how much? Do I send you a money order? Do you ship it third class?
Will you autograph it? Am I through?....David
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Startling and stinging? I guess you're a big fan. I'll admit to hearing JP
once or twice, but I own none of their albums and I'm really offended that you
wasted my personal Email reading hour with this....David
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Hi guys.
This is probably really dumb and it's already been talked to
death while I wasn't paying attention, BUT...
I just obtained Tournado a few days ago. Why does it have
only 9 tracks listed on the cover, but 10 tracks on the CD?
Thanks for your indulgence. George Choksy
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> I just obtained Tournado a few days ago. Why does it have
> only 9 tracks listed on the cover, but 10 tracks on the CD?
Track One is actually the drum solo which begins the CD, and it's not
listed on the cover.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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At 14:54 31.03.98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>I guess some of you missed the discussion I had with Francisco with regards
>to the possibility that listening to certain kinds of music enhances
>performance and the ability to learn. I would recommend reading the new
>edition of 'Superlearning ' by Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder.
>Tangerine Dream is mentioned specifically.
>
>Ohmmmmmmmmmmm.....
>
>Andrew
>
I can tell you, some ten years back I was reading about the battle at Crecy
while listening to Phaedra and Rubycon, and everytime I listen to those tracks
again I get these 'flashbacks', remembering in vivid details the happenstance
around the battle and the battle itself. It is quite weird.
Best regards;
Geir
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> Really-From: ami.hassinen@e... (Hassinen Ami)
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> Hello Everybody!
>
> ps.
> Has anybody any info about Mr. Baumanns activities during the last decade
or so?
One of the following concerns this ex-TD member:
1) involvement in non-music related ventures such as properties management
(rumor)
2) involvement as 1/3 of *aborted* Blue Room project with Paul Haslinger
and Re-Flex
vocalist/guitarist John Baxter (fact)
3) holed up in an oil drum somewhere with Jimmy Hoffa (speculation)
E-Man
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Okay folks, I finally got my cd's today (thanks Tony & Andy!!). Here's
basically what I think:
I can say I was really excited to see what all of these guys could do
under warm lamps & electronic equipment. I think all you guys are
extremely cool & talented..even if I don't like your music hehe. Let's
get into it using the 1-5 scale previously used:
1.Timescape-Purple Rocks-Nice production but I can't see the greatness
that everyone has apparenly seen in this track. In the mid eighties I
remember Eli & myself would buy tapes of unknown emusic artists (we
called them 'chance tapes') and hope for the best. If they sucked, they
got launched into used bins or left in the car to be melted under the
hot Palm Springs sun. If they rocked we continued to buy the artist's
releases until they sucked. Then of course, there were those albums
deemed cool at first...but then they became unimpressive quickly as
better artists appeared. This song reminds me of several of those tapes
I got rid of because the music just became too outdated. I can't really
describe this tune any better, heh heh, than being dorky. I did like the
guitar though. Perhaps the song was too short. It never really had the
chance to go anywhere. Rating=3
2. Fanger & Kersten-Tapedriver-Typical DA music title type opening. A
few klings, a few klangs, perhaps a few disco balls rotaing with
pictures of Ralf & Florian on them. This song goes absolutely nowhere.
The droning sequence gave me a headache and the female voice saying
'ooohhh yeahhh' made me think it was a song written for Pink Nose the
pimp to stroll down the sidewalk to. No melody at all. Ugh. Rating=1
Joxbox-9th King Of Fife-I'm not really sure what this tune was other
than techno, really. It's a fairly simple sequence running throughout
but it doesn't really fly into awesome territory. It's a nice trance
tune & the production is nice but since I don't like trance I have to
give it a rating=3.
Paul Nagle-Captain Edgar Buys A Fish-Shooowwee! I think Paul & Andy
Pickford have been downing beers at some pub in the mountains. IMO, this
is the best track on the compilation. This tune, though obviously tinted
with humor, has some really cool melodies & weirdness. The voices are
nice, the tempo was pacey & it just reminded me of a classic melodic UK
synth slobberfest. No wonder Paul was at Huizen on stage. A beautiful
tune....but it was too short! Rating=5
Paul Lawler-Ice Station-This tune is a little too sweet for me. Once
again I feel the sequence is too heavily relied upon and the song just
doesn't go anywhere. If I were in a forest and needed to get some sleep,
this song might be an insomnia cure. Too new age ridden for Captain
Dano's taste. Rating=2
FSP-Amalthea-Hmm, the intro reminds me of Steve Roach's Empetus, which
is a good thing I guess...I like that album. The analog sequences are
brilliant in sound & composition but I have to say this: How many more
Sorcerer/Rubycon/Encore/Redshift/Phaedra songs do we need? Just because
we're in this 80's retro thing doesn't mean we need to have the same
lameness with Tangerine Dream, does it? There are dozens of Berlin
School TD ripoff (inspired if you like) albums out there...do we really
need more? I think not. This tune gets two ratings Sound & production=5
(the use of expensive studio equipment really shows here & the solo
piano at the end is very, very nice) Originality=2.
4A-Hatred On An Imaginary Monorail-Hmm, the now infamous cannon blast
didn't scare me at all. In fact, I somehow predicted it before it even
happened. I have that sixth sense you know. These guys were inspired by
Goblin among others, what else do you want to explain their weirdness?
Heh, give two guys a few keyboards, 30 minutes & an inspirational tune
like Love On A Real Train & who knows what you'll come up with?
Rating=N/A
Asana-Transform-Ralf! Florian! You're back! This has to be inspired by
Kraftwerk and if you like those silly German men then you'll dig this
goofy tune. Heh, I liked it. It was quite the heeeelarious tune & it
made me want to dance with Dieter from Sprockets. Touch My Monkey!
Rating=3
Gigantic Legless Cauldrons- A short ride...blah blah blah-Well, I need
at least 3 minutes of music to give a proper critique. From what I heard
I'd have to say...ugh...but like the owl & the toosie roll pop...the
world may never know. Rating=1
AirSculpture-Sargasso Sea-Well, after all the great reviews & hubbub I
was very excited to hear this track. It turned out to be like showing up
at a Spinal Tap concert and seeing Enya walk out on stage with skipping
midgets carrying ferns & Banzai plants. What is up with this!?!? This is
the definition of sonic wallpaper. Lots of boring spacy sound effects
with an unchanging sequence barely noticable in the background. I'd
rather listen to the Titanic soundtrack over and over than this tune.
Sorry everyone, I see nothing impressive at all with this band. What am
I missing? Where were these guys when Carl Sagan needed to score
Cosmos?? Rating=1
T-BassUK-A Question Of Time-This tune was pretty cool, but it's a little
too euro for me (though I love Men Without Hats). I've never heard TBass
before & after all the hype I was hoping they were pretty good...and
they were! These guys make some neat fun music. I'm not sure it really
belongs in the Goldtri vein but it definately has melody & style. Sounds
like they have a lot of fun doing what they do, which should always be
the case. Rating=3
Under The Dome-Flussiger Vier Takter-The acoustic guitar opening is
nice, made me feel all warm & fuzzy inside. But then...look out!!
UGHHH!!! RUBYCON!! Okay, I realize that there will always be fans of
Berlin School Rubycon/Phaedra/& Richochet...but it does nothing for
emusic but tell people 'oh look, it's another band trying to be like
Tangerine Dream during their Rubycon years!' What can I say..the
production is perfect but like FSP's track...there's nothing there.
Another cliche' droning analog sequence that starts off slow, builds,
gets punchy, slows down, fades away & goes into neat solo stuff. Same ol
same ol. Sounds great, but so do birds & waterfalls. rating-2
Eric Snelders-A flock of Red Ibis-Zzzzzzzzzzzz. I think this is a lost
track from Constance Demby's library. Total new age...I can't say
anymore or I might get vaclemped. Rating-2
Keller & Schonwalder-Stumbled In Derby-This track probably took even
less time to compose than 4A's track. Maybe if they had turned the tempo
up to 150 it may have worked. I just can't get into this kind of music
anymore. It's a droning sequence ala Dancing Fantasy or Software...that
just goes nowhere. Rating-1
Ashok Prema-Unicorn-This tune progresses very nicely. I really liked the
emotion in this composition. No boring unchanging sequences that drone
on forever. The sounds blend quite nicely. 2:20 into the tune it
launches into a very nice analog sequence I slobbered over. We need more
music like this around. rating=4
RAMP-The Warsaw Desaster-Heh, I think someone said something about
Logos? I second that. I think this tune had some 82 TD inspirations
happening here, maybe some Underwater Twilight inspirations? I'd buy
their albums. A must if you like 80's TD.....& I do! Rating-4
Satsuma Nightmare-Hmm, a combination of Shreeve & TD and Vangelis?? No
way. I think more like Coyote Oldman, Steve Roach ( the new Roach with
Robert Rich) and Peter Kater. This song could be the soundtrack to any
sunset. Like a porno, I sped through the dull parts to find good
parts....I didn't find any. Rating=2
Synthetic Block-Swell And Slack-Funky ambient metallic techno
tune....er....this song belongs in a chase scene involving Mitch
Buchanan's feet speeding over sand whist chasing some hot busty babe. I
liked it though because I'm a soundtrack fiend...& if it can work in
film, which this tune could, it can work while I'm driving my car. This
song is a lot different than the boring Berlin School stuff that's
rampant and that's perfectly fine with me. Rating-4
wEiRd-Manual Gearchange-This composition is also a lot different than
your usual tune...I like it! I just know these guys had fun just
grooving this tune out. Reminds me of that Reggie Bannister hippie CD I
got last year...great stuff! It is a little to funky for me but it
sounds nice and it did not make me cramp in any way...in fact...it made
me want to go have a Dos Equis with Jens & Andy. How about it guys?
Rating-4
Decapolis-Sunset-Super funky jazz groove thing. Very, very nice
tune...it...just belongs on a jazz label heh heh. Still, I don't dislike
jazz so I have to say I actually like this tune. The birds in the song
are great...all jazz tunes should have birds in them. Next thing you
know Riley will be calling himself the Jazzmaster Flash! Good stuff
Riley, but you might want to call Hearts Of Space. Rating-4
Well, that's it! Overall...a great compilation that will definately be a
classic. I also wanted to say thanks to Tony Sawford & Andy Bloyce who
did a killer job getting that sucker out. Also, condolences to Frank
Makowski who did a great job on the CD layouts. Also, I think the queen
of trouts needs an applause...even though we have our
differences...thanks to Elana for founding the Goldtri list and making a
place for all of us pathetic emusic people to gather....er....heh
heh...well...most of us anyway heh. See you all on Volume two!
Regards,
Dano
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Really-From: John Wilson
> Really-From: Geir Smedsrud
>
> I can tell you, some ten years back I was reading about the battle at Crecy
> while listening to Phaedra and Rubycon, and everytime I listen to those tracks
> again I get these 'flashbacks', remembering in vivid details the happenstance
> around the battle and the battle itself. It is quite weird.
>
I remember listening to Force Majeure quite loud on headphones while
reading C.S.Lewis' Prince Caspian about ten years ago -- I was reading of
the Prince's flight on horseback through a forest and the music had just
reached the fast-paced guitar-and-drums. That's an association that hasn't
shifted yet.
Any others?
John W.
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Really-From: Armin Theissen
Hi,
I just cleaned my TD webpage from defunked links etc..
But there is one thing I want to ask for:
Grant, I can't find your email adress on your webpage. You once scanned
the inner sleeve photos of Cyclone, Phaedra, and some more. I never
downloaded these. Do you still have them somewhere?
I ask because the inner sleeve photo of Cyclone is so damn cool...
you may mail me at ath@s...
thanx
a.th.
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Wait a minute Dano. I'm a fan of your humor, but if I wanted to hear about
the GoldTri list and Elana and all that other bullshit, I'd subscribe to it.
Why is this posted on the Tadream list? Just wondering....David
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> Really-From: DAVENTURA
>
>
> Wait a minute Dano. I'm a fan of your humor, but if I wanted to hear
about
> the GoldTri list and Elana and all that other bullshit, I'd subscribe to
it.
> Why is this posted on the Tadream list? Just wondering....David
Hi, Dave. It's the review of GoldTri: Volume One, a brand-new 2CD sampler
set that debuted at the Alfa Centauri EMusic fest in Huizen (Netherlands)
on Mar. 21. Many people who post on here & GoldTri, including Paul Nagle,
Jens Peschke, Ashok Prema, Riley Roden (Decapolis) and even yours truly,
along with Dan (as 4A) have a track featured on it :-)))
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>
>
>> Really-From: ami.hassinen@e... (Hassinen Ami)
>>
>> Hello Everybody!
>>
>> ps.
>> Has anybody any info about Mr. Baumanns activities during the last decade
>or so?
>
>One of the following concerns this ex-TD member:
>
>1) involvement in non-music related ventures such as properties management
>(rumor)
>2) involvement as 1/3 of *aborted* Blue Room project with Paul Haslinger
>and Re-Flex
> vocalist/guitarist John Baxter (fact)
>3) holed up in an oil drum somewhere with Jimmy Hoffa (speculation)
>
>E-Man
>np: Todd Rundgren's Utopia
Thanks for the info. Maybe that oil drum story is the most interesting
scenario of these three))) Especially when one thinks how his solo albums
deteriorated woefully after the 'Transharmonic nights'. Anyway, I find it
extremely weird that a guy who could create 'Nights' and 'Romance' sold out
so completely almost overnight. He must have had a enormous craving for
money and/or pop stardom...
Well, I would like to know more about that 'Blue Room'. When was this
project started?
bye,
Ami
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If anyone is interested, I have created a Tangram (solution part) midi
file. Mail me off list if you would like a copy sent to you. Also, as I do
not have a website of my own, I can't load it up anywhere. Is there
anyone that wants to do that? (Phil Meyer.. you still on this list?)
Force Majeure almost finished too... :-)
Regards,
Lawry
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TimeSquare: Dream Mixes II - TDI009
1. Mobocaster
7:24
2. Jungle Jacula
8:41
3. Towards The Evening Star (Blue Gravity Mix) 8:41
4. Digital Sister
7:10
5. Pixel Pirates
6:55
6. Culpa Levis
10:11
7. Timesquare
8:42
Total Running Time 57:44
I must admit to being a little disappointed by this album, especially
after the fantastic Dream Mixes. I think the most disappointing
part is the fact that I was expecting 'dance' remixes of some classic
TD tracks, but with the exception of Towards The Evening Star,
the rest are unrecognisable (with the exception of the snippets
that Steve Feldman pointed out in a previous post - and I tend to
agree with his observations). I think that this album should have
carried off where Dream Mixes left off (as indeed the title implies).
Another snag is that Dream Mixes was instantly danceable (not that
I'm a dancehead by the way) but TimeSquare is less immediate,
and somehow the rhythms and beats are less dynamic.
Having said all of that, although overall this is a disappointing album,
there are one or two very good tracks.
The first of these is the album opener, Mobocaster. This, in my mind
is a perfect example of Jerome's influence on the TD direction. The
track isn't as cluttered as some of Edgars current output, and one of
the plus points (going back to the presets discussion) is that there
are some quite unusual sounds on this track, some effects processing
that just give the track a slightly different feel to recent output.
I also like Towards The Evening Star. This is my favourite track from
Goblin's Club, so it's nice to hear a different version of it. (I even like
The Orb's version :-) ). The only problem with this track is that the
timing sounds all off. Different time signatures or something, for the
new rhythm and the original melodies. I can't quite put my finger on
it, but something is not right here, or at least at the start of the track.
Pixel Pirates is another good one, very lively and animated, and has
echoes of late seventies, early eighties sequences dancing about in
the background. Again, evidence of Jerome's input, IMO.
TimeSquare round the album off nicely, and again, whilst not a brilliant
track, isn't half bad. Some really nice ideas in there, but not much
development. I think this track suffers from the 'lets get lots of different
bits in there' syndrome.
All in all, although I was personally disappointed by the album, it's not
that bad. I just feel that it could have been so much better. However, I
must admit I like the direction Jerome puts into these Dream Mixes
albums, for certainly it is he that is the driving force for them. Maybe,
with a little more thought put into it, TD could come up with a DM3
that would blow our socks off. They've definitely got one in them, if
they only gave themselves enough time to develop an album properly
instead of rushing to release one album after another.
Still, no doubt the majority of us on the list would still buy this even if
it was a complete load of b******s.
Regards,
Lawry
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> Really-From: ami.hassinen@e... (Hassinen Ami)
>
> Well, I would like to know more about that 'Blue Room'. When was this
> project started?
After Paul left TD, around 93 or 94, I think, but don't quote me :-))) I
don't know why it fell through, but based on all those stories about Pete
(in the 70s), he may be a hard guy to work with, because I can't fathom
Paul as anything *but.*
E-Man
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Subject: items to go!
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Really-From: 'ashok prema'
Anybody interested in a very few bits I have to get rid off:
Rubycon cd
Logos cd
3 O' Clock High video (I have seen quite a lot worse movies than this!)
All at 6 UK pounds plus postage
Any takers??
Ash
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Subject: Macula Transfer
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Really-From: Rainer Rutka
Just for your info:
Macula Transfer, the Edgar Froese CD is out now ! It's _not_ a boot.
Manikin Records released a legal version with great sound including the
complete original cover artwork. Nice item !
I ordered it last week and got my copy today (5 days). It is a MUST !
You'll find it at : www.manikin.de or write a email to: manikinms@a... !
Keep on dreamin'
Rainer
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Date: Wed Apr 1, 1998 1:38
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Subject: Re: How TD has changed ME
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At 11:18 AM 3/31/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Really-From: DJS
>
>tadream mailing list wrote:
>>
>> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>>
>> >We change the music, the music doesn't change us....David
>>
>> I don't think so. I think music, TD's in particular, has
>> definitely changed me, but I can't tell you how, since there isn't a
>> control copy of me to compare it to.
>>
>> Scott
>
>Well, I built a robot of myself back in....oh let's see..1985... before
>I discovered TD. The robot was denied TD ever since...even to this day.
>I on the other hand have listened to TD since 85 and the effects I think
>are obvious. The robot seems to respond much better to idiots than I
>do....I think it's a patient thing. I, on the other hand, have become
>this big Tom Savini fan who just can't get enough of the walking dead
>and movies about girls with green eyes
Wasn't 5th Element an awesome movie?
>& stolen trucks in little China.
>I think Logos had something to do with that...well...perhaps it was the
>fact that they called Street Hawk LA streetHawk instead of just Street
>Hawk...but who knows? It could have also been the side effects of
>watching Rex Smith try to act his way out of the paper bag. More info on
>how the robot it doing later...
>
>Dano
Morgan
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At 09:50 PM 3/31/98 +0300, you wrote:
>Really-From: ami.hassinen@e... (Hassinen Ami)
>
>Hello Everybody!
>
>Another new member to the list! My name is Ami Hassinen and from the exotic
>name you probably guessed that I´m from Zimbabwe. Well, not really...I´m
>from Finland, Scandinavia and I´ve been a devoted TD fan from the 1983
>onwards...
>
>I´m 31 years old now and work as an art teacher (MA), but I waste most of my
>sparetime with music-related activities. Played synths and guitar in bands
>since 1985 (been on albums and compilations...some of those have even been
>published in the US of A by Logic Records). Well, more of that later if
>someone´s interested... by the way, are there other fans-turned-musicians on
>the list?
>
>I´m afraid that I´m one of those fans that think that TD made their best
>albums between 1972-1983. That does not mean that I dislike their later
>output but generally I agree with the things Mr. Stump wrote in his book
>'Digital Gothic'.
Many of us, including me, believe that their best stuff was 1973-1986... If
you get a chance, pick up Livemiles (86) and The Dream Mixes (95). Both of
these albums really surprised me by being so well sequenced...
>Being a newcomer in the net, this is actually my first mailing list
>experience. So I won´t mind if you correct me on the 'list policies' if need
>arises. Lately I´ve been very much into collecting TD tapes and will be very
>interested in swapping material...
There's a huge tape tree running right now. And there are tons of CDs
available. My favorite fantape is the HOUR of stuff from the Logos concert
tha t either did not appear, or had been played on Exit, and White Eagle...
>Well, that´enough for a starters I guess...
>
>Cheerio to all list members from the polar circle,
>
>Ami
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At 06:44 PM 3/31/98 CDT, you wrote:
>Really-From: Alistair Hull
>
>Jen,
>
>Greetings from an Brit in New Jersey.
>
>The members of this list often venomously disagree about what is and
>isn't the Best TD, but generally they fall into two camps; the 'I only
>like the old stuff and this new stuff is cr*p' group and the 'TD lost it
>when they started using preset sounds from mass-produced keyboards'
>bunch.
Um, these are the same camp.
feldon@p...
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At 02:37 AM 4/1/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Really-From: DJS
>
>
>
>FSP-Amalthea-Hmm, the intro reminds me of Steve Roach's Empetus, which
>is a good thing I guess...I like that album. The analog sequences are
>brilliant in sound & composition but I have to say this: How many more
>Sorcerer/Rubycon/Encore/Redshift/Phaedra songs do we need?
As many as people can produce!!!!
>Dano
Morgan
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #238
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At 10:41 AM 4/1/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: John Wilson
>
>
>
>> Really-From: Geir Smedsrud
>>
>> I can tell you, some ten years back I was reading about the battle at Crecy
>> while listening to Phaedra and Rubycon, and everytime I listen to those
tracks
>> again I get these 'flashbacks', remembering in vivid details the
happenstance
>> around the battle and the battle itself. It is quite weird.
>>
>
>I remember listening to Force Majeure quite loud on headphones while
>reading C.S.Lewis' Prince Caspian about ten years ago -- I was reading of
>the Prince's flight on horseback through a forest and the music had just
>reached the fast-paced guitar-and-drums. That's an association that hasn't
>shifted yet.
TD greatly enhanced my reading of the Earthsea Quadilogy by Ursula K.
LeGuin (these books are part of the founding of AD&D) and the Tolkien
Sextology (Yes, the Lord of the Rings is really 6 books, packaged in 3 sets
of 2)...
Morgan
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Subject: The Quest is over!!!
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
I went to a hole-in-the-wall used record store last night after work,
flipped through soundtracks, and found: THE
KEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately it cost me two hundred freakin' bucks!!! Luckily I was
able to charge it, and once Steven sends me my reward I can pay my bill
before the wife kicks my arse.
The cover shows a shot of the front of the keep, with Juergen Prochnow,
Gabriel Byrne, and the priest, and the back cover shows shots of Alberta
Watson & Scott Glen gettin' it on, Scott & Molesar duking it out, Dr.
What's-his-name, and the two German soldiers prying the cross out of the
wall.
Tracklist:
Side 1:
Opening theme/The Arrival 5:28
Moelsar is Released 2:54
Glaeken 1:57
The Night in Romania 3:16
Puer Natus est Nobis 3:09
The Challenger's Arrival 5:00
Side 2:
Love Theme 5:32
Molesar 3:12
Escaping the Keep 3:01
Captured 2:30
Canzone 2:51
Triumph (End Theme) 3:38
It's on MCA, and the number is 1 201 315. The copy I got was near mint
and polybagged. I haven't had a chance to play it yet. I asked the
proprietor if he could get more, and he said that it was deleted before
release and he was lucky to get the one he had. I left him my name &
number and he said if any more turn up he'll let me know.
I scanned the cover this moring and put it on my web page. You can see
it at:
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palladium/5728/index.html
Scott
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Date: Wed Apr 1, 1998 4:17
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Subject: Cd's available
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Really-From: TB220
here is a list of the td cd's that have not been sold or traded yet
which I have more information for at the following address:
hiawatha@s...
Pergamon
Tyranny of Beauty
Tangram
Rockoon
Phaedra -> has a full length scratch that does not effect its play
Cyclone
Force Majeure
Encore
ATEM
220 Volt Live
Le Parc
it's a good offer if you're interested. Rob
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Good One!!! Ya made me look....Ya got me....One point for you...
At 8:02 AM -0800 4/1/98, tadream mailing list wrote:
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>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
>I went to a hole-in-the-wall used record store last night after work,
>flipped through soundtracks, and found: THE
>KEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Unfortunately it cost me two hundred freakin' bucks!!! Luckily I was
>able to charge it, and once Steven sends me my reward I can pay my bill
>before the wife kicks my arse.
>
>The cover shows a shot of the front of the keep, with Juergen Prochnow,
>Gabriel Byrne, and the priest, and the back cover shows shots of Alberta
>Watson & Scott Glen gettin' it on, Scott & Molesar duking it out, Dr.
>What's-his-name, and the two German soldiers prying the cross out of the
>wall.
>
>Tracklist:
>Side 1:
>Opening theme/The Arrival 5:28
>Moelsar is Released 2:54
>Glaeken 1:57
>The Night in Romania 3:16
>Puer Natus est Nobis 3:09
>The Challenger's Arrival 5:00
>
>Side 2:
>Love Theme 5:32
>Molesar 3:12
>Escaping the Keep 3:01
>Captured 2:30
>Canzone 2:51
>Triumph (End Theme) 3:38
>
>It's on MCA, and the number is 1 201 315. The copy I got was near mint
>and polybagged. I haven't had a chance to play it yet. I asked the
>proprietor if he could get more, and he said that it was deleted before
>release and he was lucky to get the one he had. I left him my name &
>number and he said if any more turn up he'll let me know.
>
>I scanned the cover this moring and put it on my web page. You can see
>it at:
>http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palladium/5728/index.html
>
>
>Scott
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Subject: Re: How TD has changed ME
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On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: feldon@p...
>
> Wasn't 5th Element an awesome movie?
The makeup, effects, action, and costumes were great. The acting and
dialogue utterly blew.
> Morgan
>
Gabe
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Subject: Re: Goldtri CD emusic review (long)
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On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: feldon@p...
>
>
> At 02:37 AM 4/1/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >Really-From: DJS
> >
> >
> >
> >FSP-Amalthea-Hmm, the intro reminds me of Steve Roach's Empetus, which
> >is a good thing I guess...I like that album. The analog sequences are
> >brilliant in sound & composition but I have to say this: How many more
> >Sorcerer/Rubycon/Encore/Redshift/Phaedra songs do we need?
>
> As many as people can produce!!!!
>
> >Dano
>
> Morgan
> feldon@p...
Incredible I'm saying this, but I find myself in utter agreement with
Dano for once. This is why I keep saying EM is a highly conservative
school with no more originality, everyone is only interested in
perpetuating the old sounds and styles.
Gabe
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Date: Wed Apr 1, 1998 4:28
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Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad'
An April Fool's day prank perchance??
My cd of Chris Franke's 'A Late Delivery From Avalon' has most of track
16 missing... is this the norm??
Regards,
Conrad Gibbons
(please note my new email address : conrad.gibbons@l...)
PS: Excuse non TD question!: Anyone out there have an Atari Jag cd
peripheral with the Virtual Light Machine for sale, or know where I can
get one?
If so please email me any details.
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>
>
> I went to a hole-in-the-wall used record store last night after work,
> flipped through soundtracks, and found: THE
> KEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Unfortunately it cost me two hundred freakin' bucks!!! Luckily I was
> able to charge it, and once Steven sends me my reward I can pay my
> bill
> before the wife kicks my arse.
>
> The cover shows a shot of the front of the keep, with Juergen
> Prochnow,
> Gabriel Byrne, and the priest, and the back cover shows shots of
> Alberta
> Watson & Scott Glen gettin' it on, Scott & Molesar duking it out, Dr.
> What's-his-name, and the two German soldiers prying the cross out of
> the
> wall.
>
> Tracklist:
> Side 1:
> Opening theme/The Arrival 5:28
> Moelsar is Released 2:54
> Glaeken 1:57
> The Night in Romania 3:16
> Puer Natus est Nobis 3:09
> The Challenger's Arrival 5:00
>
> Side 2:
> Love Theme 5:32
> Molesar 3:12
> Escaping the Keep 3:01
> Captured 2:30
> Canzone 2:51
> Triumph (End Theme) 3:38
>
> It's on MCA, and the number is 1 201 315. The copy I got was near mint
> and polybagged. I haven't had a chance to play it yet. I asked the
> proprietor if he could get more, and he said that it was deleted
> before
> release and he was lucky to get the one he had. I left him my name &
> number and he said if any more turn up he'll let me know.
>
> I scanned the cover this moring and put it on my web page. You can see
> it at:
> http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palladium/5728/index.html
>
>
> Scott
>
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On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
OK Scott...given today's date...I wish I could give you the benefit of
the doubt... ;)
but...
Now, why don't you and Steve fly over to Berlin...or Vienna, as the case
may be...present yourselves to Edgar, and ask him to autograph it for you
guys?
> http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palladium/5728/index.html
>
Still a bit dubious...(even in face of the visual documentation),
(hold on while I check....)
OOOOOHHHHHH....I *knew* it, Scott!!!!!!!
You mongrel! ;)
> Scott
>
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>Really-From: DJS
>
>FSP-Amalthea-Hmm, the intro reminds me of Steve Roach's Empetus, which
>is a good thing I guess...I like that album. The analog sequences are
>brilliant in sound & composition but I have to say this: How many more
>Sorcerer/Rubycon/Encore/Redshift/Phaedra songs do we need? Just because
>we're in this 80's retro thing doesn't mean we need to have the same
>lameness with Tangerine Dream, does it?
Thanks Dano! (I really mean it)
Does the track really sound like Rubycon/Encore/Redshift etc.. that
wasn't really my purpose and I certainly never intended to do that, but
thanks
very much for it. As you can see, I see it as a compliment.
As for the ratings for the other tracks:
It's really nice/funny to see people have different taste.
The tracks Dano didn't like are exactly the tracks I do like.
Marcel (old 70s fart :-))
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
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>
>Incredible I'm saying this, but I find myself in utter agreement with
>Dano for once. This is why I keep saying EM is a highly conservative
>school with no more originality, everyone is only interested in
>perpetuating the old sounds and styles.
Listening to Stephen Parsicks/Traces of the Past right now, I disagree
with you and Dano (but it's really a matter of taste really!).
This disc got more atmosphere/new! tunes/power then the last dozen
TD CDs, IMO (I know, this discussion is not about old style comparing
with TD).
Isn't it a melody which makes it a great CD? Why can't it be done
with digital AND analog synths?
So you're saying that all the sounds with those analog synths are
already made? I think they still got plenty of power/new sounds in them
left.
btw: have you actually heard the Goldtri-CD? You might be suprised?
Marcel (who can't understand people listens to classical music,
because it's got the same sounds and styles as then
it's all been done and repeated over and over again :-)))
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>Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:11:23 -0500
>Subject: Re: tape trees: dubbing hints
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>Really-From: Lars R. Jones <105411.3107@c...>
>
>1) UNPACK your tapes. this doesn't just mean taking the wrapping off
>;-) put new tapes in your deck and fast forward and rewind them one
>time to loosen the tape spool. sometimes the tight factory winding
>will cause some decks to drag or stop. [. . .]
So, this isn't an 'old wives' tale,' eh?
>2) use good quality tapes. Maxell XLII tapes are generally a standard
>although TDKsa tapes are also quite good (and a few seconds longer);
>there are also better quality / audophile tapes as well such as XLIIS
>and denon #s 8,9,10 etc. etc.
Other than the Denon 10, arguably the best all-around tape is the
Sony Pro. This is a chrome tape with a ceramic tape guide. The ceramic
reduces wow and flutter more than any other tape available.
>5) buy and use wet and/or dry cleaners at least every 2 tapes -- or use
>another method if you know how (like isopropyl alcohol and a good,
>tightly rolled swab that won't leave little threads and fibers in your
>tape mechanism). [. . .]
I've heard that the cassette-shaped cleaners are not so great.
>[. . .] Be sure that whatever you use cleans the capstan, rollers,
>etc and not just the heads.
Nein. Nyet. Non. Ixnay. Unless things have changed, DO NOT
use head cleaner on the 'pinch roller' (the big black rubber wheel),
because the alcohol will dry the wheel out so that it could crack or
at least become abrasive to the tapes running over it. I have some
rubber wheel cleaner/conditioner from about 10 years ago that is from
Teac. They don't make it anymore and I've told that something else is
now used to clean the pinch roller, but I can't recall what it is.
Does anyone here know?
Also, don't let head cleaner get on any of the plastic parts of
the cassette drive mechanism because it can erode it slightly.
>9) check and replace your patch cords. if your patch cords are more
>than 2 years old, chances are they need to be replaced before they
>become fossilized ;-) if you live near the ocean, have salt-water
>fish tanks (don't laugh, it's true ;-) or live in a corrosive
>atmosphere, you'll need to check and replace your patch cords at least
>every 6 months. if you have any doubts about them, replace them.
You're kidding, right? I've never heard about this before. Care
to elaborate?
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Wed Apr 1, 1998 7:16
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> Wait a minute Dano. I'm a fan of your humor, but if I wanted to hear about
> the GoldTri list and Elana and all that other bullshit, I'd subscribe to it.
> Why is this posted on the Tadream list? Just wondering....David
Well Mr Genius, this post relates to TD inspired music and it also
pertains to several members on this particular list. I didn't see you
bitch about that Rob Halford posting so just get back into bed and take
a nap until you are feeling better.
Cheers pilgrim,
Dano
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>
> >Really-From: DJS
> >
>
> >FSP-Amalthea-Hmm, the intro reminds me of Steve Roach's Empetus, which
> >is a good thing I guess...I like that album. The analog sequences are
> >brilliant in sound & composition but I have to say this: How many more
> >Sorcerer/Rubycon/Encore/Redshift/Phaedra songs do we need? Just because
> >we're in this 80's retro thing doesn't mean we need to have the same
> >lameness with Tangerine Dream, does it?
>
> Thanks Dano! (I really mean it)
> Does the track really sound like Rubycon/Encore/Redshift etc.. that
> wasn't really my purpose and I certainly never intended to do that, but
> thanks
> very much for it. As you can see, I see it as a compliment.
It is a compliment, definately. You and Grant composed really cool tunes
but I'm always looking for something that's away from the classic TD
vein...perhaps more progressive with some rocks roots (hear Vince
Dicola...a virtual slobberfest of synthrock). I'd recommend your albums
to anyone who has grown up with TD. They wouldn't be disappointed.
> > As for the ratings for the other tracks:
> It's really nice/funny to see people have different taste.
> The tracks Dano didn't like are exactly the tracks I do like.
Truly. Your track kicked some serious butt & I would have totally
slobbered (instead of semi slobbered) about 10 years ago when the emusic
market was even more stale than today (bloody where were you in 1988!!!
hehehe). I guess I'm just always looking for something new & different
along the lines of Pickford/Shreeve. I can never get enough of what Mark
puts out there.
happy chappy Dano
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>>9) check and replace your patch cords. if your patch cords
are more
>>than 2 years old, chances are they need to be replaced before
they
>>become fossilized ;-) if you live near the ocean, have
salt-water
>>fish tanks (don't laugh, it's true ;-) or live in a corrosive
>>atmosphere, you'll need to check and replace your patch cords
at least
>>every 6 months. if you have any doubts about them, replace
them.
> You're kidding, right? I've never heard about this
before. Care
>to elaborate?
Well, yes & no. Standard RCA cords can corrode over time. Best
thing to do is look at the exposed contact surface. If it looks dull,
it's corroded. If you're a cheap-arse like me, get out the sandpaper and
clean them off, or buy gold-plated cords. They won't corrode. Some folks
insist on paying big money for Monster cable, but they're wasting their
money.
One thing Lars overlooked that is probably the most important
thing is recording level. High-bias tapes can get a signal up to 3dB
without distortion. If you can adjust your levels, keep the loud bits as
close to the limit as possible. This will minimize the audible tape
hiss. Don't turn up the levels on the quiet parts, and turn it down when
you get to the louder parts, though: set your levels for the loudest
parts and leave it there. That way you'll preserve the sound levels as
they were presented live.
Scott
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> On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
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> > Really-From: feldon@p...
> >
> >
> > At 02:37 AM 4/1/98 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Really-From: DJS
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >FSP-Amalthea-Hmm, the intro reminds me of Steve Roach's Empetus, which
> > >is a good thing I guess...I like that album. The analog sequences are
> > >brilliant in sound & composition but I have to say this: How many more
> > >Sorcerer/Rubycon/Encore/Redshift/Phaedra songs do we need?
> >
> > As many as people can produce!!!!
> >
> > >Dano
> >
> > Morgan
> > feldon@p...
>
> Incredible I'm saying this, but I find myself in utter agreement with
> Dano for once. This is why I keep saying EM is a highly conservative
> school with no more originality, everyone is only interested in
> perpetuating the old sounds and styles.
>
> Gabe
Heh heh, oh thanks Gabe heh. I'm not THAT bad am I?? Heh. I really liked
Marcel & Grant's track for what they were...productions standards higher
than TD in some cases...but I just can't get into anymore of that
vintage stuff. It just kind of feels like all of these emusicians are
buying new equipment and saying 'Hey, let's re-record Rubycon and see
how much better or different we can be with updated synths!' I love
classic albums...but when they are mimicked to death it takes something
away. These types of tunes should be for Homages or tributes only...IMO
anyway.
happy day to all,
Dano (who wouldn't wear a tie to work even if you put a gun to his
head)
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In a message dated 98-04-01 13:00:23 EST, you write:
<< >1) UNPACK your tapes. this doesn't just mean taking the wrapping off
>;-) put new tapes in your deck and fast forward and rewind them one
>time to loosen the tape spool. sometimes the tight factory winding
>will cause some decks to drag or stop. [. . .]
So, this isn't an 'old wives' tale,' eh?
most definately not...u dont know how many times ive forgotten to do this, hit
record, went to work and came home to find exactly 7 seconds recorded...
>2) use good quality tapes. Maxell XLII tapes are generally a standard
>although TDKsa tapes are also quite good (and a few seconds longer);
>there are also better quality / audophile tapes as well such as XLIIS
>and denon #s 8,9,10 etc. etc.
Other than the Denon 10, arguably the best all-around tape is the
Sony Pro. This is a chrome tape with a ceramic tape guide. The ceramic
reduces wow and flutter more than any other tape available.
agreed...but price is prohibitive...xl2 and sa is available everywhere and
relatively inexpensive...i also like xl2-s...
>5) buy and use wet and/or dry cleaners at least every 2 tapes -- or use
>another method if you know how (like isopropyl alcohol and a good,
>tightly rolled swab that won't leave little threads and fibers in your
>tape mechanism). [. . .]
I've heard that the cassette-shaped cleaners are not so great.
they are better than nothing...maxell makes a decent cleaner thats cheap..and
yes, by god, dont use q-tips...what a mess...next time you go to ur dentist,
rip off those long stick jobs they use...perfect...
>[. . .] Be sure that whatever you use cleans the capstan, rollers,
>etc and not just the heads.
Nein. Nyet. Non. Ixnay. Unless things have changed, DO NOT
use head cleaner on the 'pinch roller' (the big black rubber wheel),
because the alcohol will dry the wheel out so that it could crack or
at least become abrasive to the tapes running over it. I have some
rubber wheel cleaner/conditioner from about 10 years ago that is from
Teac. They don't make it anymore and I've told that something else is
now used to clean the pinch roller, but I can't recall what it is.
Does anyone here know?
Also, don't let head cleaner get on any of the plastic parts of
the cassette drive mechanism because it can erode it slightly.
ive never had that problem with the wheel cracking and i use distilled
alchohol...but then again, ive never had a deck for 10 years either....
>9) check and replace your patch cords. if your patch cords are more
>than 2 years old, chances are they need to be replaced before they
>become fossilized ;-) if you live near the ocean, have salt-water
>fish tanks (don't laugh, it's true ;-) or live in a corrosive
>atmosphere, you'll need to check and replace your patch cords at least
>every 6 months. if you have any doubts about them, replace them.
You're kidding, right? I've never heard about this before. Care
to elaborate?
>>
this is a new one on me too...gotta give it a try to see if i notice the
difference...
tom w
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 7:59
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Subject: Help!
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Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank'
Could anybody help me trade for a copy of the following:
Persistence of Vision: 30.11.96 London 'Live in London' 3CDR
(concert+soundcheck)........ 196 7 CDR
I would like to get this on CDR, but cannot only trade tapes from this end.
Please contact me offlist for trade.
Thanks.
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wel its great to be back on the list.you wouldnt believe what i have had to do
to get back on this list.first of all i found you by accident while at work
playing on the email, things were going fine untill my boss found out i was e
mailing outside the company for my self and i was given an ultimatum come off
the thing or suffer the consequences, so i reluctantly came off it. i then
bought my self a computer for my self at home with a cd writer no less so i
can now burn my own cdrs.i then proceeded to get my self back on the list,
well 3 servers later im back on to where its happening.bye for now recent e
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Greeting to my European friends!
A friend of mine who is with the Shadows of Knight (Gloria-US version) is
looking for copies of the single 'Gloria' by SOK from Euro pressings. He is
offering good money for any finds. As you search your local used record
shops, check and see if they have any old 7' singles of Gloria by SOK. If
you find any, let me know and I will set about rewarding you for your efforts.
Or if you have anybody who might be a contact, drop me a line!
Thanks for the bandwidth!
Mike
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At 01:37 PM 3/31/98 -0800, you wrote:
>> Former Judas Priest front man Rob Halford discusses
>What's this sh*t doing here? Dude,
Everybody--in your highest pitch! Scream AYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA! in a
semi-musical tone.
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At 01:56 PM 4/1/1998 EST, you wrote:
> >9) check and replace your patch cords. if your patch cords are more
> >than 2 years old, chances are they need to be replaced before they
> >become fossilized ;-) if you live near the ocean, have salt-water
> >fish tanks (don't laugh, it's true ;-) or live in a corrosive
> >atmosphere, you'll need to check and replace your patch cords at least
> >every 6 months. if you have any doubts about them, replace them.
>
> You're kidding, right? I've never heard about this before. Care
> to elaborate?
> >>
>this is a new one on me too...gotta give it a try to see if i notice the
>difference...
>
I'll just jump in here.....
After 30 years of installing, repairing, building, and otherwise playing
with audio gear of almost every type I've come to realize that 80 percent
of ALL audio problems are CONNECTORS (one way or another).
Corrosion (visible or otherwise) definitely affects high frequencies and
power in low voltage circuits (in high voltage circuits it can be tragic).
When I have any reason to pull the cables from any of my devices, I give a
serious look to the connectors (visual and electronic). By now all of mine
are gold (that took a while I admit).
There is a very good cleaner available through electronic stores called
CRAMOLIN. This stuff is from CAIG Laboratories (www:caig.com) is the
'generic' name for more than one product they sell. They have cleaners and
protectants for both gold and non-gold connectors. I also use it on the
component side of things because some of my gear is old enough to have
'non-gold' connectors (RCA and other). I am not sure that gold connectors
NEED this type cleaner, but they do make one. Be prepared, this stuff is
NOT cheap, but a little bit goes a long ways.
Even if you can't find this stuff, there are cleaners available from
electronics stores that will do the job. Alcohol is not the best cleaner
for corrosion on connectors. It does remove grease, which collects
corrosive elements from the air (no it doesn't keep them away). FINE
sandpaper does work but use care, most connectors have a VERY thin plating
of corrosion resistant metal over something else (even GOLD connectors are
just brass with about .0001' of gold).
If you smoke (no social comment here) you'll have to clean more often.
Whether or not it causes cancer, second hand smoke causes corrosion on
metal connectors...as well as leaving an non-conductive film. 'Nuf said.
This is all just my observation and philosophy, but it has worked for me.
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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Sorry,
I am a big TD fan but also amired R. Halford of JP, great voice,
performance
and a legend in/of Heavy Metal music.
Of course they have nothing to do with electronic music.
Just open your mind folks
ANJA
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>At 01:37 PM 3/31/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>> Former Judas Priest front man Rob Halford discusses
>
>>What's this sh*t doing here? Dude,
>
>Everybody--in your highest pitch! Scream AYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA! in a
>semi-musical tone.
>
>Mike
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>
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Subject: RE: The Quest is over!!!
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Ha ha VERY FUNNY MUTHAFU**A!!!
(IN THE WORDS OF 'JEWELS' /Sam Jackson...PULP FICTION)
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
I went to a hole-in-the-wall used record store last night after work,
flipped through soundtracks, and found: THE
KEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately it cost me two hundred freakin' bucks!!! Luckily I was
able to charge it, and once Steven sends me my reward I can pay my bill
before the wife kicks my arse.
The cover shows a shot of the front of the keep, with Juergen Prochnow,
Gabriel Byrne, and the priest, and the back cover shows shots of Alberta
Watson & Scott Glen gettin' it on, Scott & Molesar duking it out, Dr.
What's-his-name, and the two German soldiers prying the cross out of the
wall.
Tracklist:
Side 1:
Opening theme/The Arrival 5:28
Moelsar is Released 2:54
Glaeken 1:57
The Night in Romania 3:16
Puer Natus est Nobis 3:09
The Challenger's Arrival 5:00
Side 2:
Love Theme 5:32
Molesar 3:12
Escaping the Keep 3:01
Captured 2:30
Canzone 2:51
Triumph (End Theme) 3:38
It's on MCA, and the number is 1 201 315. The copy I got was near mint
and polybagged. I haven't had a chance to play it yet. I asked the
proprietor if he could get more, and he said that it was deleted before
release and he was lucky to get the one he had. I left him my name &
number and he said if any more turn up he'll let me know.
I scanned the cover this moring and put it on my web page. You can see
it at:
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palladium/5728/index.html
Scott
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In a message dated 4/1/98 10:16:11 AM PST, tadream@c... writes:
> Well, Mr. Genius, this post relates to TD inspired music and it also
> pertains to several members on this particular list. I didn't see you
> bitch about that Rob Halford posting so just get back into bed and take
> a nap until you are feeling better.
>
> Cheers pilgrim,
>
> Dano
As a matter of fact, I did bitch about the Halford post. We can argue if you
like....David
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I have gathered by reading different sources, that the Poland 2CD does not
truly reflect that concert. So how different was the actual show and what
was released and why?
Kevin
ps. I am still looking for any videos of the group.....please mail me!!!
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
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Subject: Clarification re RISKY B Variants on E.O.
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:55:23 EST
>Subject: Re: On Edgar's Lack of Omniscience and THE KEEP
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: DAVENTURA
>
>Mr. Feldman writes:
>
>>And how about the versions of 'The Dream is Always the Same' and 'Love
>>on a Real Train' that appeared on the first two LP pressings of RISKY
>>BUSINESS (and now on ELECTRONIC ORGY)? They sound more like tracks
>>from LEGEND than anything else, and yet LEGEND wasn't released until
>>1986, whereas RISKY BUSINESS was in 1983.
>
>I'm not sure what Soundtrack you're listening to, but almost everything
>except LOART (which I never grow tired of) was previously released.
In *both* versions of the RISKY B soundtrack, the first and last
of the five TD tracks ('The Dream Remains the Same' and 'Risky Business
(Love on a Real Train)') contain no previously-released TD unless one
counts the title track to POLAND in the case of the latter.
>The intro from Tangram and Stratosfear, cuts from Force Majeure. [...]
Huh?!? My immediate memory says that there is the title track to
EXIT, the section of the title track of FORCE MAJEURE 8.5 minutes in,
and 'Cloudburst Flight'--but no STRATOSFEAR or TANGRAM.
Interestingly, although 'Guido the Killer Pimp' is mostly an
adapted version of 'Cloudburst Flight,' the opening part of it is much
like the title track to the Pink Floyd soundtrack OBSCURED BY CLOUDS.
>[...] On the other hand, Legend is almost original in its composition.
Maybe, but it's production sound is evident on the 1st LP pressing
of the RISKY BUSINESS soundtrack. (The sound on the first and last TD
tracks on the 2nd LP pressing and on the CD are more like the sound on
WHITE EAGLE than on the LEGEND soundtrack.)
-- Steven Feldman
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TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen |
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Subject: The Poster in the ANALOGUE SPACE YEARS Compilation CD
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:09:40 -0800
>Subject: Re: D: TD: The Analogue Space Years 1969-1973
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>Really-From: PENFOLD
>
>[. . .] Inside is a poster with a B&W pic of Froese/Franke/Baumann
>posed in front of their equipment (patch cords.....yow!)
The picture--which was even bigger then--first appeared in the
'70-'80 boxed set, if I remember correctly (it's either from that or
from the booklet in the IN THE BEGINNING boxed set; it's been a long
time since I opened those records up).
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Tangerine Dream & Golf
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Really-From: sbm@p... (Steve McCready)
Another instance of TD as 'tv background music' - the last couple of
weeks (and maybe beforehand), NBC has been using 'Melrose' as
background music when they show the helicopter flybys of the different
holes.
And, while on the subject of this combination, has anyone seen 'Dead
Solid Perfect'? Is it any good?
-Steve
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
>>Really-From: PENFOLD
>>
>>[. . .] Inside is a poster with a B&W pic of Froese/Franke/Baumann
>>posed in front of their equipment (patch cords.....yow!)
>
Is the poster included in a CD package during purchase, or instead one to be
obtained by a coupon or something?
Jeffrey
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Subject: French Rockoon CD
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Hi Collectors,
I have 2 spare copies of the French Rockoon CD (Editions Altas RK CD 501)
available for swap. This CD has the strange EF-CF-PB line up cover. If
interested, contact me off list for details.
Jeffrey
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>>'Oasis'
>>'The Dream Mixes'
>>'Underwater Sunlight'
>>'Optical Race'
>>'Tangram'
>>'Melrose'
>'Logos'
>'Force Majeure'
>'Oasis'
>'The Dream Mixes'
>'Livemiles'
>'Poland 2CD'
Hmmmm... how about
Underwater Sunlight
Logos
Stratosfear
Dream Mixes
Ricochet
Goblin's Club
I see a storm a'brewin'!
Lawry
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Subject: Re: The Poster in the ANALOGUE SPACE YEARS Compilation CD
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>Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
>>[. . .] Inside is a poster with a B&W pic of Froese/Franke/Baumann
>>posed in front of their equipment (patch cords.....yow!)
>Is the poster included in a CD package during purchase, or instead one to be
>obtained by a coupon or something?
The poster is included in the package, although the box does state 'limited
edition poster', so it's possible that the next pressing will not include
the poster. On the other paw, since removing the poster would require
redoing the box to omit mention of the poster, maybe they'll continue to
include it.
John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
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Subject: re: dubbing hints
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
scott writes:
>Some folks insist on paying big money for Monster cable, but they're
>wasting their money.
-- I'm not so sure about that... the monster cable (monster cable speaker
wire wins hands down over ordinary lamp cord... there are other
alternatives as well, some may be even better) gold connector patch cords
come in a variety of prices, from about $15-20 per 1 meter **single RCA pin
cord** (you'll need two) up to about $200 per same. all of these have
significantly better EM shielding as well... they certainly seem to make a
difference... besides sandpaper just leaves a rough surface so you end up
with less actual surface area in contact with the connector... and don't
you find it really hard to sand the *inside* of those RCA connectors?
besides if you do replace your patch cords regularly, the cheap monster
cables will end up paying for themselves...
'molasar the spam vampire' writes:
> Nein. Nyet. Non. Ixnay. Unless things have changed, DO NOT
> use head cleaner on the 'pinch roller' (the big black rubber wheel),
> because the alcohol will dry the wheel out so that it could crack or
> at least become abrasive to the tapes running over it.
-- well steve most of us will burn out our decks long before we have any
problems like this. Besides even the **manufacturers** of my decks (sony &
yamaha) recommend 'with the tape deck turned off, wipe the heads, the pinch
rollers and the capstans with a cotton swab slightly moistened with alcohol
or a commercially available cleaning fluid for tape decks.' Now, I'm more
apt to pay attention to the manufacturer's instructions than your
recommendations, based as they apparently are, on 10-year-old hearsay(?).
certainly too much alcohol may be a problem but unless you can come with
with an **available** alternative... if it's not available steve, why even
bother to recommend it? all you will do is encourage people not to clean
for fear of causing a problem and the result is lower sound quality... I'm
sure even your teac conditioner/cleaner has lifespan/limit... and 10years
is probably long past it... perhaps you're doing more damage?
any other opinions out there?
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Subject: MOBOCASTER/TIMESQUARE
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
Funny...of all the tracks on TIMESQUARE, that is my least favorite... I
would go so far as to suggest begining playing it the disc on track 2.
Overall it is an enjoyable disc, but keep in mind in contains snippets of
remixes of old stuff, not entire remixes of old songs...
The CD itself has some interesting artwork on it... Though the selection
of some of the font colors seems hard to understand... I half expected
Thief Yang and Das Madchen to show up here, but fortunatel for collectors
the singles still have some value...
MJ
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
I have heard this Baumann / Haslinger project in its entirety (though I
don't have a copy of it)... It is pleasant in parts but never seems to
come together as a whole (which undoubtably is one reason it was never
released)... Better to move on to other things...
MJ
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At 05:19 PM 4/1/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'jowers'
>
>I have gathered by reading different sources, that the Poland 2CD does not
>truly reflect that concert. So how different was the actual show and what
>was released and why?
It's one of the closest to the concert they have ever released. The only
two major differences are that the power went out a couple times during the
concert, so there are some crafty fades on the 2CD. Secondly, the last 6
minutes of disc 1 'Rarebird' are actually an ENCORE played after the two
discs. I guess Edgar couldn't fit it at the end of the 2nd LP.
Morgan
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Subject: D: Live Discussion Wrong Post
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Sorry for wrong post delivered :(
Jeffrey
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Subject: Re: proposed D:LIVE! discussion schedule
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Section 1 1997 European Tour & Boots
4.16.97 Berlin (Hochschule der Kuenste) 170 min. (Au)
4.18.97 Frankfurt/Neu-Isenberg (Hugenottenhalle)
Boots: Goblins Live Club Box
Tapes: 150 min (Au + Vid)
Hi Lars,
Glad that you received the video safely.
I have one question to ask. I see from this post regarding the D: Live
discussion 2 items of interest. Do you have any idea who will have these
material? Any help will be appreciated.
Regards,
Jeffrey
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Subject: Dead Solid Perfect /Golf
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I do have a copy of the film off the TV... Not a particularly great film,
but the music does fit it well... The theme was adultery if I remeber
correctly...
MJ
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Subject: re: dubbing hints
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Subject: what the &*#@! is a tape tree
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Really-From: TWeibre361
sorry for this yet again (courtesy of the floyd list) but it seems that
either there are alot of new list people, or no one keeps their mail, but im
getting way to many queries about the subject...so, to keep it simple, here is
yet another description...btw, the structure will be posted tomorrow by 16:00
est, giving u 8 hours for complaints, etc, and then it will be closed at
midnight...
tom w
np: genesis - british bisquit - 1977
##### ## ##### ###### ##### ##### ###### ######
# # # # # # # # # # #
# # # # # ##### # # # ##### #####
# ###### ##### # # ##### # #
# # # # # # # # # #
# # # # ###### # # # ###### ######
If a tapetree falls in the cyber-forest, and there is noone around to
hear it, would it make a sound ?
Wot's .. uh .. the deal ?
A tape tree is a way to get a tape spread out fast through many people.
Example:
The Essential Roio Tree.
I have a set of roio tapes that I think any serious floyd fan should
hear. There are (at a rough estimate) a 150 serious floyd fans who
do not yet have this particular tape on echoes. This would mean I
would have to dub 150 copies.so I organise a tree. I [0] dub a copy
for 5 people [1] who each dub a copy for 5 people [2] who make a copy
for 5 people [3], and so 150 people have gotten a copy, while noone
had to make more than 5 dubs.
Any colour you like
You can be either a
SOURCE: -> meaning you already have the tape that's being treed, and
you're willing to dub copies [0] in the above
a SOURCE is sometimes known as SEED.
BRANCH: -> you don't yet have a copy, but if you get a copy through the
tree, you are willing to DUB copies [1] and [2] in the above
BRANCH LEADER: ->
aka TOP LEVEL BRANCH, the persons who are getting copies
straight from the SOURCE, [1]
LEAF: -> you don't have a copy, you do want one, but you are unable to
dub copies, due to lack of time and/or lack of decent
equipment.[3]
PARENT/CHILD:
A PARENT dubs copies for his/her CHILD, a CHILD gets copies from
the PARENT. in the above [1] is the PARENT of [2], [2] is the
CHILD of [1], and the PARENT of [3], [3] is the CHILD of [2].
Take up they tapedeck and play
How to get your copy ?
Sign up for the tree,
after an announced period of time everyone who has signed up receives
a copy of the full tree structure, and a note gets posted to echoes
saying that the copy has been mailed out to all who participated, or
if the tree is large, a note is posted to echoes, saying that the
treestructure is made public on http://some.web.site/some/where, and
that those whitout webacces, should contact the organizer to receive
a copy of the structure. Many people prefer to get a confirmation
when they sign up, but it's a lot of work to confirm each message
you get, so not all tree managers do this. If you did sign up,
but didn't get a copy this is the moment to contact the organizer.
Biding my time
Once you have gotten the structure, wait for your branchleader to
contact you, or contact him, and if you are a SOURCE or BRANCH,
contact your leaves. And then have patience .. your parent does her
best to get the tapes out as fast as she can, and so do her
parents, but tape trees can easily get delayed .. international
mail takes a week (maybe two) to get around, dubbing takes time. On
a big tree (6 tapes per dub) estimate a month delay for each level
between you and the source, and that is provided nothing strange
happens to cause further delays.
Money
Tape trees are done for fun, and to spread good music around, not for
monetary gain .. act accordingly ..
You either trade with your branch, or do a 2:1 trade [see further on]
What shall we do now ?
Proper behaviour:
the following are just guidelines, no rules, just guidelines.
*administrator*
- shall allow enough time for people to sign up
- shall make it clear when the deadline for subscription is
- shall not flood echoes with subscription info (once a week is
enough)
- shall keep echoes up-to-date w.r.t. relevant info.
- shall be there to help solve conflicts/problems on the tree
- shall do her best to make sure people can get the tree structure
- shall not beat people out of frustartion when things go again
different than planned
Tree PARENT:
- shall contact her children upon receiving the tapes from her
PARENT.
- shall contact CHILD upon receiving of the tapetreesturcture to
arrange the trade
- shall do her upmost to get the tapes to her CHILDren asap.
- shall _never_ _ever_ _under_ *NO* _circumstance_ use HiSpeed
dubbing, nor autoreverse dubbing.
Tree CHILD:
- shall contact PARENT upon reception of the tree sturcture to
arrange the trade
* Trade shows or trade 2:1 blanks
* type of tapes, what length
* send tapes or tapes and boxes
- shall mail a complete package to PARENT including
* the trade
* wot's uh the deal was (a printout of the last (few)emails
works miracles
* the return adress.
- shall have patience
- shall mail a note after receiving the tapes
- shall not complain on echoes about the trade, but shall try to
work things out with parent, or failing that with the
administrator.
The happiest tapes of out lives
Mailing the tapes -- more guidelines --
(again this is all MHO, guidelines, not rules)
* use a padded envelope
* make your envelope reusable, safe the rainforests
* reuse envelopes
* pack your tapes correctly
- if you send tapes with boxes, magic tape them together,
so that they form one stronger whole (remember aesop)
- if you send tapes sans boxes (I prefer this)
-> if doing a 2:1 trade, the extra tapes should be sent
WITH boxes unless otherwise agreed with parent
use some elastic band (or suchlike) to keep the tapes
tightly wound (put band through holes, wrap around the
back, pronto).
do *not* scotch tape tapes whitout boxes together
* if you do a 2:1 trade, send *new* tapes, in boxes.
* use enough postage
* when mailing international, mail tapes as GIFT on the custom form
* when mailinbg crosscontinental, send tapes AIRMAIL
(from me (netherlands) to australia takes less than 2 weeks
airmail, but takes over 2 months per seamail)
A sourcefull of secrets
Other sources of information
* the trading guidelines on echoserv
(email to echoserv@t... with a body of)
send trading.guidelines echoes
quit
* the phish archives (www.phish.net) have a few chapters about
tapetrees.
* the broken arrow (Neil Young) website has some info and pointers
as well
2:1 trades
For each tape you want atped, you sent 2 tapes. One will get send
back to you, the other tapes is to cover postage costs for the
taper. The second tape should preferably be a new TDK SA-90 or
Maxell Xl-II 90 tape (the tapetraders unit of currency).
Buying tapes.
The following adresses have been recommended to me by ``satisfied
customers'', as suppliers of tapes for a decent price.
* USA
``btw, for USA Branches: If you need to buy blanks at cheap prices.
Call my friends at Terrapin Tapes in Greenwich, CT. They have
damn good prices! Shipping is free if you buy 50 or more tapes!
Call them at 1-800-677-8650.''
* Europe
> email: sales@t...
> Web: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/tapehouse
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>for fear of causing a problem and the result is lower sound
quality... I'm
>sure even your teac conditioner/cleaner has lifespan/limit...
and 10years
>is probably long past it... perhaps you're doing more damage?
>any other opinions out there?
Yes. I just retired my Tascam deck that was well-nigh 15 years
old (the motor died :-( ). I regularly cleaned the heads, capstan &
roller with medical-quality cotton swabs (no, I'm not anal, they're just
cheaper is all) dipped in alcohol (per the manufacturer's instructions)
and never had a problem with the roller cracking. Alcohol will crack
some forms of rubber, but I bet the rollers are made out of a rubber
that's resistant to it.
Scott
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Subject: last call for tape trees #3-4
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Dreamers
Tape trees #3&4 are now being organized! the tape list is attached below;
Again, this is a NO-Profit deal for anyone.
*** this is the last call, the trees close on friday***
***All levels of participation are welcome, even if you have nothing to
trade.*** If you can't make copies, then just sign up as a leaf. We want
everyone possible to be able to hear this music.
If you want to participate, please contact tom w. with
the following info:
1) name
2) e-mail address
3) your geographical location (city, state, country -- for organizational
purposes)
4) at what level you want to participate (eg source, digital branch, analog
branch, leaf) what resources you have (eg: a cdr burner--if so, can you do
analog->digital?; DAT cloning; analog dubbing deck or 2 MC decks; or only
digital->analog [ie: CD to MC])
5) can you provide masters, lo-gen tapes, CD/R boots, etc for this tree?
you will need to either provide trade material to your source or will need
to provide sufficient blank tape and an SASE for return of the tapes.
Branch-branch deals should use priority mail postage.
--> if you still owe blank/trade tapes to your parent/branch trees #1+2,
please make good on your obligation so that you can continue to participate
in these trees
------------------------------------------------------------
Abbreviations and Format:
Month.Day.Year City (Venue) Time (Medium of original source)
Original sources: Au = audience; SB = soundboard; FM, TV = broadcast; Vid.=
Video;
Media (self-explanatory?): MC = cassette tape; LP -= vinyl; CD; CDR; Vid =
video; LD (laser disc)
------------------------------------------------------------
tree 3 (2c90s + c100)
--> c90 #1
8.16.75 Orange (Festival Pop d'Orange, Theatre Antique et Gymnase)
59 min. (Au) MC
(4th generation; Oranges From France; Seekers of Dreams)
10.16.75 Liverpool (Cathedral) full encore 20 min. (Au) MC
PLUS:
--> c90#2:
9.23.75 Reims (Opera House) 85 min. (Au) MC
PLUS:
--> c100#1
10.16.75 Liverpool (Cathedral) 100 min (Au) MC
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
tree 4: (3c90s)
--> c90#1
2.9.76 Brussels (Jansen University) 105 min (Au) MC
(3rd gen)
PLUS
--> c90 #2
11.22.76 Paris (Palais du Sport) 109 min (Au) MC
(2nd gen.)
PLUS
--> c90 #3:
6.27.76 Berlin (Philharmonic) 33 min. (FM) CDR
(The Dream Is Not Always The
Same [best]; Danger Live, part 2; Tape Trax 2)
2.9.76 Brussels (Jansen University) 105 min (Au) MC
(--part 2)
11.22.76 Paris (Palais du Sport) 109 min (Au) MC
(--part 2)
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I was really looking forward to hearing this, having liked the first Dream
Mixes a great deal. Initially, I liked enough of the sequel to give it a
provisional 'thumbs-up.' Now, a few months later, my enthusiasm for it
has cooled somewhat. As others have noted, TimeSquare loses much of the
first DMs' energy and sense of purpose. Which did not have to be a bad
thing...I mean, TD are not Orbital or the Chemical Brothers. They're
obviously trying to make music which stays true to themselves.
Unfortunately, I don't find that this particular effort to do that
succeeds very often. It's an okay, but somewhat passionless album. It's
nice to see Jerome take a shot at Drum n' Bass in 'Digital Sister, but it
lacks the necessary testosterone if you ask me. There's no sense of
danger in these experiments; they hold back too much; and use sweet sounds
that don't really gel with the primal world of dance music. If you really
want to shake people's ass, you have to be willing to go for the throat.
Mind you, TD can still compose a decent melody. And really, I think all
DM2 needed were some more extremes, and a little editing. More moments
of silence/ambience and more moments of intensity...harsher sounds. Maybe
1998 will find the band delivering that.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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> I was really looking forward to hearing this, having liked the first Dream
> Mixes a great deal. Initially, I liked enough of the sequel to give it a
> provisional 'thumbs-up.' Now, a few months later, my enthusiasm for it
> has cooled somewhat. As others have noted, TimeSquare loses much of the
> first DMs' energy and sense of purpose. Which did not have to be a bad
> thing...I mean, TD are not Orbital or the Chemical Brothers. They're
> obviously trying to make music which stays true to themselves.
> Unfortunately, I don't find that this particular effort to do that
> succeeds very often. It's an okay, but somewhat passionless album. It's
> nice to see Jerome take a shot at Drum n' Bass in 'Digital Sister, but it
> lacks the necessary testosterone if you ask me. There's no sense of
> danger in these experiments; they hold back too much; and use sweet sounds
> that don't really gel with the primal world of dance music. If you really
> want to shake people's ass, you have to be willing to go for the throat.
>
> Mind you, TD can still compose a decent melody. And really, I think all
> DM2 needed were some more extremes, and a little editing. More moments
> of silence/ambience and more moments of intensity...harsher sounds. Maybe
> 1998 will find the band delivering that.
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Subject: What I look like...
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Hi Guys!
Just in case anyone wants to see the face behind the name....our carpet
store has put a picture of me up on our site. To access it go to:
http://www.carpetone.com/locator/storeloc.asp
pick UNITED STATES, and enter 48043 in the zip code section. This will take you
to our store site, just click on and go to the meet our staff in the upper left
hand corner. And there I am in all my poor picture taking glory!
Now for the TD portion of the letter , does anyone happen to have a movie
trailer on videocassette for THE KEEP? Let me know if you do.
Thanks
Chris
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Subject: hello!
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I can understand and agree with Andrew when he writes:
'[...] Listening to music cannot be reduced to a simple physiological
state. I would hope there is more than just physiology. Like
feelings. I smile when I listen to TD. I am calmer. The world
appears to be a better place. [...]'
TD's music lives inside me. It is an integral part of me like having
another organ somewhere between my heart and lungs.
I cannot say it changed me. It seems as if it had always been there.
I would not even call it music (now: some critics could rejoice at this
last statement :-). It is something more essential like the flow of blood.
Listen to the sounds of your universe!
Paul
np: 220 Big Volt
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> I can understand and agree with Andrew when he writes:
>
> '[...] Listening to music cannot be reduced to a simple physiological
> state. I would hope there is more than just physiology. Like
> feelings. I smile when I listen to TD. I am calmer. The world
> appears to be a better place. [...]'
>
> TD's music lives inside me. It is an integral part of me like having
> another organ somewhere between my heart and lungs.
> I cannot say it changed me. It seems as if it had always been there.
> I would not even call it music (now: some critics could rejoice at this
> last statement :-). It is something more essential like the flow of blood.
>
> Listen to the sounds of your universe!
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> Paul
>
> np: 220 Big Volt
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Subject: RE: What I look like...
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> Just in case anyone wants to see the face behind the
name....our carpet store has put a >picture of me up on our site. To
access it go to:
So is that your dad that owns the store?
Scott
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Subject: how dream music changed me
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Really-From: NAdams43
when i was 15 in 75 i heard ricochet on the radio and to be honest it blew me
away,before that i had been listening to black sabbath,deep
purple,hawkwind,camel etc not that theres anything wrong with those groups, i
mean i still listen to em now,but it was like, it set me on a road of
discovery into mind music at the time, which led to klause schulze, eloy,
neuronium, jurgen pluta, can, serge blenner, cybotron to name just a few.i
think if i hadnt heard t dream that day i probably would never of found out
about electronic music( i hate the term new age ) and yes i think t dream did
there best stuff while they were with virgin records.theyve done some
reasonable stuff since virgin of course but imo a lot of dross.
regards nick adams
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Subject: RE: What I look like...noTD
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Yes sir Scott, that's pops, and he pays me far less than anyone else!
Chris
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> Just in case anyone wants to see the face behind the
name....our carpet store has put a >picture of me up on our site. To
access it go to:
So is that your dad that owns the store?
Scott
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Subject: tapes
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
thanks to scott and steven f for the terrapin tapes reference!! killer
prices!
lars
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Subject: Re: How TD has changed ME PLEASE STOP SENDING ME THIS!!!
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The idiot can't spell 'unsubscribe'. I say let him suffer a while
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Subject: Late Delivery from Avalon
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
The flaw on the track only appears on the original US pressing (I
think)... A corrected version is now out and Sonic Images will replace the
defective one at no charge (at least if you bought it directly from
them)....
MJ
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In a message dated 98-04-02 19:41:35 EST, you write:
<< Don't bother JW..you are stuck here...FOREVER!!!!!...or at least until
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or write...
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I got replies from many of the members of this list after introducing
myself. I just wanted to say thanks to all of you that gave me info and
links to Tangerine Dream pages. I appreciated it.
Thanks...
--
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Hi Scott. Do you have a web page where I can check out info about your book?
I'm
interested in finding out about it.
Thanks...
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> My suggestion: first, buy my TD book. :-) Then, buy more of the
> compilations, preferably one that spans a long time. Then use those to
> determine which TD tunes you like, and buy the albums that have those
> tunes on them. If you listen to the suggestions from us of which
> specific album to buy, you'll end up buy the whole catalog, since each
> of us has a different opinion. Once you've bought all the stuff that the
> comps are drawn from, you can unload the comps on the list.
>
> A word of warning, though: be prepared to buy A LOT! they have
> over 100 album, single and soundtrack releases.
>
> Scott
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> Really-From: Jen Phillips
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> > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
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> > My suggestion: first, buy my TD book. :-) Then, buy more of the
>
> Hi Scott. Do you have a web page where I can check out info about your
book? I'm
> interested in finding out about it.
>
> Thanks...
Hey, Jen you also get the *new tadream subscriber* discount from Scott!!!!!
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If any of the musicians here play a Yamaha DX7IIFD w/E! Upgrade, please
mail me OFF-LIST!!!
I know it's stretching thin, but I'm desperate.....
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> I know it's stretching thin, but I'm desperate.....
> Kevin
>
Not too thin...I happen to own one. I bought that baby back in 1988..and
Eli was there for that historical moment. It was my first synth (not
counting casios hehehe) & I still have it...in fact I just used it to
help compose my debut CD, Nominal Gain (due out soon...but only as a
promotional piece). Aside from the lowish polyphony & now disliked FM
synthesis it's a damn fine keyboard. It was very powerful for it's time.
The last of the DX7's it basically was. I remember Edgar used on during
the Livemiles era. He phased it out pretty quickly though...but he
managed to keep that 'stratotro' voice that got incredibly old on all
the mirimar releases. Wonder if Ed still has it.
Dano
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> >The intro from Tangram and Stratosfear, cuts from Force Majeure.
> [...]
>
> Huh?!? My immediate memory says that there is the title track to
> EXIT, the section of the title track of FORCE MAJEURE 8.5 minutes in,
> and 'Cloudburst Flight'--but no STRATOSFEAR or TANGRAM.
>
I recorded the music from the video a few years ago. Music very similar
to the intro from Tangram Set One is indeed played once or twice in the
movie. No Future (Get Off The Babysitter) is based on the track 'Exit'
but without the lead line and raining sound effects!
Regards,
Conrad Gibbons
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Really-From: 'Dr. George Choksy'
Yes, I saw 'Dead Solid Perfect' on late night TV several years
ago and I liked it a lot, even though I'm not into golf.
Randy Quaid had the lead role, a pro-circuit golfer who finally
hits his stride one year and plays a dead solid perfect game
for the big money. Very entertaining, and Randy Quaid is a
drop-dead great actor, IMHO.
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JW--thanks for all the spam--to get off the list read the paragraph
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At 11:45 AM 4/3/1998, Michael Fox wrote:
>JW--thanks for all the spam--to get off the list read the paragraph
No use, Michael. This person is a moron. I have sent him direct e-mail. I
broke down the paragraph into digestible bites, highlighting the address
and the proper format for unsubscribing. I even spelled out
U-N-S-U-B-S-C-R-I-B-E for 'it' because 'it' seems to be deficient in more
ways than one. At this point all we can hope for is hospitalization and
rehab in a Closed Head Injury ward.
Sheeeesh....
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Hi fellow Dreamers,
I've just overhauled my home website (haven't touched it in almost 9
months). You can find my latest TD wish/trade list at:
http://idt.net/~torque19/td_trade.htm
This URL has changed since I last posted it.
Anyway, if you browse around and follow some of my links, you'll see a
photo of me (I don't take good pictures), many photos of my fiancee, a
photo of Elana (GoldTri list keeper), etc... Anyway, if you browse
around (other than the TD trade list), you'll discover what a strange
guy I am with a pretty big ego, heh heh. You'll love it Dano!
BTW, let me know if you find any items you need or have on my TD lists.
Thanks,
Vic
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Subject: tape tree #3 & 4 : here it is
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here it is .... any problems let me know....tapes will be shipped to branches
imminently...get in touch with ur branch leaders...if i forgot anyone let me
know...dub on...im outta here...
tom w
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Subject: Find the Fish
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> Anyway, if you browse around and follow some of my links, you'll see a
> photo of Elana (GoldTri list keeper)
Seeing the picture of Elana, I now understand what you guys mean when you
refer to the 'trout'. Eeeeeeek....
I can also see why you got smitten by Natasha, Vic!
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
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> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> Hi fellow Dreamers,
>
> I've just overhauled my home website (haven't touched it in almost 9
> months). You can find my latest TD wish/trade list at:
>
> http://idt.net/~torque19/td_trade.htm
>
> This URL has changed since I last posted it.
> Anyway, if you browse around and follow some of my links, you'll see a
> photo of me (I don't take good pictures), many photos of my fiancee, a
> photo of Elana (GoldTri list keeper), etc... Anyway, if you browse
> around (other than the TD trade list), you'll discover what a strange
> guy I am with a pretty big ego, heh heh. You'll love it Dano!
>
> BTW, let me know if you find any items you need or have on my TD lists.
> Thanks,
> Vic
Hey, I'll check it out! Did you need that single of Midnight In Tula
with the remixed dub on it I have? Oh wait, darn...I sold that already
to some guy in Belgium. Oh well, hehe. Onward to check yer website. Even
though it has a picture of Elana (Personally I'd rather look at the
digestion tract of a goat) I'll check it out. Hey, I'll finally get to
see what you look like there Vico heh heh. Hey, are you saying I have a
big ego? Heh heh. You must have me confused with someone who smells like
a giant rotting fish...heh heh. BTW, if anyone has traded anything with
me your package will be in the mail by tomorrow. I've been swamped by
comic book work, music compositions without Mellotron patches, useless
email responses from ranting fishy people & soforth. So be patient
pilgrims...as Jack Burton would say: 'the check is in the mail'.
Dano the happy dude, who doesn't surf because he saw Mysterious Island &
never recovered from the giant crab fight.
PS: In case anyone cares, the BOTCON convention is coming in Anaheim, CA
& Vince Dicola, keyboard virtuoso, will be there.
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Subject: Relativity POLAND Slimcase vs. Double-case
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
I now have a copy of the Relativity POLAND 2-CD set that comes in
a slimline case, and a copy that comes in a double-jewel case, so I can
say with certainty that the following is so (at least as far as the two
CDs *I* have are concerned):
o the text on the disks in the slimline set is printed in brown
o the text on the disks in the double-case set is printed in blue
-- Steven Feldman
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
For what it's worth , the first thing I did upon receiving the Poland double
case was put it in a single case. I don't need two copies just for the diff
type (until I can afford it of course...).
Chris
AW HA HA .......Christ !!! ........Jack Burton
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I now have a copy of the Relativity POLAND 2-CD set that comes in
a slimline case, and a copy that comes in a double-jewel case, so I can
say with certainty that the following is so (at least as far as the two
CDs *I* have are concerned):
o the text on the disks in the slimline set is printed in brown
o the text on the disks in the double-case set is printed in blue
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Fri Apr 3, 1998 11:32
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Subject: Vic's Page
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I don't know about anybody else, but I had a real hard time reading that
yellow on gray. My God, Elana's arm is bigger than your head....David
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Subject: UPdated: Cd's available
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Really-From: TB220
Here are the Cd's available on the updated list:
Phaedra -> has a full length scratch that does not effect its play
Rockoon
Tangram
Tyranny of Beauty
Le Parc
220 Volt Live
ATEM
Force Majeure
more information at my address
----------------------------------------------> hiawatha@s...
rob.
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Date: Sat Apr 4, 1998 3:03
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Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream & Golf
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In a message dated 98-04-02 00:28:47 EST, you write:
<< And, while on the subject of this combination, has anyone seen 'Dead
Solid Perfect'? Is it any good?
>>
This movie stars Randy Quaid I believe who, as a romantic lead, leaves a
lot to be desired IMO. Other than a few rounds of golf, most of the action
seems to be centered around him being unfaithful to his wife and his wife
being unfaithful in retaliation. His golf game suffers. In the end, after his
wife is hospitalized, he realizes how much he loves her and she rallies enough
to support him on his most important golf game in his life so that he can
finally score one for the gipper so to speak. Oops, did I spoil the ending?
The music throughout is mostly a very repetitious hushed ambience quite
suitable for a golf shot, but not that interesting to listen to. The album is
rated last on Theissen's (?) poll, but there are flashes of melody during the
scenes between Quaid and the wife that tells me there's more to the album than
what I hear on Silva. So, I am trying to get this album and may have more to
say about it later. If you really want me to, that is.
To sum up, I wouldn't go out of my way to rent the movie, but it seems to
make the rounds of the TV stations every now and then. If you don't mind
putting up with all the commercials, it can make a nice evening's
entertainment. Dell
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Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream & Golf + HTML?
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>Really-From: AOutland
> This movie stars Randy Quaid I believe who, as a romantic lead, leaves a
>lot to be desired IMO. [...]
I agree and a good summary Dell! But nobody has so far mentioned the scene
when Randy and his mistress have fun in the hotel. You know, running naked
in the hotel and pouring ice on each other. That looked like a lot of fun. I
really like the soundtrack even though you have to search out the good moments.
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Now a HTML question. A few list members checked out my web site and said
that my TD list text was all in yellow on a grey background (which was very
difficult to read). I thought I fixed this (text should be black) and my
Netscape browser shows no yellow, but black. Were ya'll using Microsoft's
Internet Explorer? Well anyway, there should be no yellow now. If so,
please e-mail me off list.
BTW, is there an expert on this list that knows everything about animation
on the web? I'd like to know :-) Thanks for the bandwidth and thanks for
seeing my webpage. Comments always appreciated.
Vic
P.S. I wish more members would 'expose' themselves. I think it would bring
the 'community' closer together.... A couple days ago I received an e-mail
from a list member from Hungary. He said 'wadda hell is a Vic Rek', well
check and see, he's pretty much like the rest of you :-) Maybe soon I'll
just be lurking in the shadows ;-)
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> Vic
>
> P.S. I wish more members would 'expose' themselves. I think it would bring
> the 'community' closer together.... A couple days ago I received an e-mail
> from a list member from Hungary. He said 'wadda hell is a Vic Rek', well
>
Hmm a Vic Rek is:
A fantical but amazingly cool (I won't hold it against you that you were
in the same room as the tuna woman) TD completist that is the voice of
reason regarding Tangerous Dreamus arguements & soforth; a man who
spends lots of time on planes living if810 instead of just listening to
it. ;-)
Sheesh dude...you look a lot different than I thought you would...I
always imagined you looking like Ross from Friends or
something...yeeehahahahaha!!
Dano
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>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> I now have a copy of the Relativity POLAND 2-CD set that comes in
>a slimline case, and a copy that comes in a double-jewel case, so I can
>say with certainty that the following is so (at least as far as the two
>CDs *I* have are concerned):
>
> o the text on the disks in the slimline set is printed in brown
> o the text on the disks in the double-case set is printed in blue
Not so! The color of the print on the discs has nothing to do with which
jewel case they were packaged in.
Vic
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>Really-From: DJS
>Hmm a Vic Rek is:
>Sheesh dude...you look a lot different than I thought you would...I
>always imagined you looking like Ross from Friends or
>something...yeeehahahahaha!!
I don't watch TV (so I don't understand the above statement), but I'm trying
to imagine what you look like too (Eli, don't start walking away either). I
picture both of you as a little overweight (maybe from beer and life's
pressures) and sporting some crazy facial hair and having very white teeth :-)
Well I guess I'll find out when I see you this summer.
Why don't you just play Ricochet or Hyperborea? Later... Vic
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> I don't watch TV (so I don't understand the above statement), but I'm trying
> to imagine what you look like too (Eli, don't start walking away either). I
> picture both of you as a little overweight (maybe from beer and life's
> pressures)
Hehehe, fortunately we're both just the right size, & Eli gets plenty of
excercise hauling concrete & rock fountains here & there so he's a buff
dude hehe. I'm actually on the thin side due to my high metabolism. I
don't drink (except I have a super big gulp craze which goes from
Mountain Dew to Coke & back again). Once in a while, a Dos Equis for
celebrating (for example, when Elana is finally put in her place...I'm
buying the good imported stuff!)
and sporting some crazy facial hair and having very white teeth :-)
yer right here! I have that Snake Plissken stubble thing & my teeth are
very white. When Eli & I get 4A's website up you'll finally have a
picture to laugh at heh heh. Eli is another story. I'm sure he'll look
nothing like you imagined.
> Well I guess I'll find out when I see you this summer.
You will also find out why Edgar & friends only stay a few days in 29
Palms....sheeeooooweeee...it gets hot down there...bleh.
>
> Why don't you just play Ricochet or Hyperborea?
I would but I'm listening to all of that unreleased Street Hawk stuff
Franke gave me when I visited...er...I've said too much already hehehe.
ciao dude!
Dano
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> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
>
> At 11:45 AM 4/3/1998, Michael Fox wrote:
>
> >JW--thanks for all the spam--to get off the list read the paragraph
>
> No use, Michael. This person is a moron. I have sent him direct e-mail. I
> broke down the paragraph into digestible bites, highlighting the address
> and the proper format for unsubscribing. I even spelled out
> U-N-S-U-B-S-C-R-I-B-E for 'it' because 'it' seems to be deficient in more
> ways than one. At this point all we can hope for is hospitalization and
> rehab in a Closed Head Injury ward.
>
> Sheeeesh....
>
> Andrew
If you thinks that's bad......
Someone in TD's Guestbook wrote
'unsubsribe tadream' 'unsubsribe tadream digest'
Must have been the same guy who can't
spell unsubsCribe
heehee
Greg H.
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Subject: FS: Jarre +
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Howdy...
I have a few Jarre items for sale as well as some other artists.
Email me at: kwb10@c... and I'll send you the list.
Thanks,
Ken
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At 11:37 PM 4/3/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>
>>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>>
>> I now have a copy of the Relativity POLAND 2-CD set that comes in
>>a slimline case, and a copy that comes in a double-jewel case, so I can
>>say with certainty that the following is so (at least as far as the two
>>CDs *I* have are concerned):
>>
>> o the text on the disks in the slimline set is printed in brown
>> o the text on the disks in the double-case set is printed in blue
>
>Not so! The color of the print on the discs has nothing to do with which
>jewel case they were packaged in.
>
>Vic
As I have stated before, there were two pressings of the 2CD. Yes, I have
held and played both 2CDs. The brown release and the blue release. One has
Rarebird on disc 1 as a separate track 3. One has Rarebird simply included
at the end of track 2 (Tangent).
Morgan
feldon@p...
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>If anyone is interested, I have created a Tangram (solution part) midi
>file. Mail me off list if you would like a copy sent to you. Also, as I do
>not have a website of my own, I can't load it up anywhere. Is there
>anyone that wants to do that? (Phil Meyer.. you still on this list?)
>
>Force Majeure almost finished too... :-)
>
Yes, I am still on the list, only I have 1422 unread messages! I never seem to
find time to read them all, but always read from the most recent backwards.
I'd love the midi files. If you like, I shall add them to my site, which isn't
pretty, but at least it works!
--Phil Meyer--------------------------
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have youb heard blue fear by armin it sounds like a 90,s rubycon....
davie glasgow scotland......
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>
>
>> Vic
>>
>> P.S. I wish more members would 'expose' themselves. I think it would
bring
>> the 'community' closer together.... A couple days ago I received an
e-mail
>> from a list member from Hungary. He said 'wadda hell is a Vic Rek', well
>>
>
>Hmm a Vic Rek is:
>
>A fantical but amazingly cool (I won't hold it against you that you were
>in the same room as the tuna woman) TD completist that is the voice of
>reason regarding Tangerous Dreamus arguements & soforth; a man who
>spends lots of time on planes living if810 instead of just listening to
>it. ;-)
>Sheesh dude...you look a lot different than I thought you would...I
>always imagined you looking like Ross from Friends or
>something...yeeehahahahaha!!
>
>Dano
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Subject: Introductions all around :)
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Hey there guys :)
Yes, Sean, there are female TD fans out there, and I happen to be one of
them! I've only been a TD fan for about 5 years, but my collection is
steadily growing.
I'm new to the list, and this is my first post, so feel free to backhand me
if I'm going about it the wrong way. I've just been observing for the last
few days.
My name is Vicky (or Victoria, whichever you prefer, I'm called by both),
and I hail from the great state of Alabama. :\ Uhmmmmmmm... The weather's
really nice here. Heheh I'm 24, will be 25 next month.
I actually have the audacity to call myself a poet. I do enjoy writing,
and I actually have a small group who likes my work. TD has influenced
some of my writings. If nothing else, it definitely puts me in the mood to
create.
I am working on a masters degree in public administration now, and next
fall I intend to start another masters program, this time on the PhD track,
so that I can teach English/Literature on the university level.
Ahhh, well, enough about me. I'm glad there is an open forum for lovers of
Tangerine Dream, and I look forward to being a member. :)
Victoria
Sunset: That moment in which the luminous aura of the moon
replaces the last blazing remnants of the sun...
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Phaedra -> has a full length scratch that does not effect its play
Rockoon
Tangram
Tyranny of Beauty
Le Parc
220 Volt Live
ATEM
Force Majeure
more information...(10$ apiece) or trade for....
contact rob @
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Subject: Re: Introductions all around :)
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Vic, I like inspired poetry, do you write anything in other forums?
I haven't written or read poetry in a while (I'm 24 too., just out of
college. Was contemplating a masters degree in secondary ed
English.) I just started on this list to sell TD cd's. Yes, I'm ridding
myself of them. (Good to see someone expressing an interest in
poetry on this list.) Add me to it.
rob bashaw
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>I went to a hole-in-the-wall used record store last night after work,
>flipped through soundtracks, and found: THE
>KEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Unfortunately it cost me two hundred freakin' bucks!!! Luckily I was
>able to charge it, and once Steven sends me my reward I can pay my bill
>before the wife kicks my arse.
>
>The cover shows a shot of the front of the keep, with Juergen Prochnow,
>Gabriel Byrne, and the priest, and the back cover shows shots of Alberta
>Watson & Scott Glen gettin' it on, Scott & Molesar duking it out, Dr.
>What's-his-name, and the two German soldiers prying the cross out of the
>wall.
>
>Tracklist:
>Side 1:
>Opening theme/The Arrival 5:28
>Moelsar is Released 2:54
>Glaeken 1:57
>The Night in Romania 3:16
>Puer Natus est Nobis 3:09
>The Challenger's Arrival 5:00
>
>Side 2:
>Love Theme 5:32
>Molesar 3:12
>Escaping the Keep 3:01
>Captured 2:30
>Canzone 2:51
>Triumph (End Theme) 3:38
>
>It's on MCA, and the number is 1 201 315. The copy I got was near mint
>and polybagged. I haven't had a chance to play it yet. I asked the
>proprietor if he could get more, and he said that it was deleted before
>release and he was lucky to get the one he had. I left him my name &
>number and he said if any more turn up he'll let me know.
>
>I scanned the cover this moring and put it on my web page. You can see
>it at:
>http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palladium/5728/index.html
>
>
>Scott
>
>
WAW! You did scan an entire LP cover, you must have an A3 scanner... What's
the mark and the model?
Fred
np : The great deceiver (King Crimson)
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Greetings Victoria!
>Really-From: Vicky Rudd
>My name is Vicky (or Victoria, whichever you prefer, I'm called by both),
>and I hail from the great state of Alabama. :\ Uhmmmmmmm... The weather's
>really nice here. Heheh I'm 24, will be 25 next month.
Another young'un! I remember that time of my life... The weather here in
Big D Texas is just fine, too...
>I actually have the audacity to call myself a poet. I do enjoy writing,
>and I actually have a small group who likes my work. TD has influenced
>some of my writings. If nothing else, it definitely puts me in the mood to
>create.
Well I for one certainly enjoyed reading the wonderful missive you posted
in the TaDream Guestbook! I, too, have been known to pen verse, though it
usually regards the affairs of the Heart. TD is very much a part of Life's
soundtrack for me; I find the music not only inspirational but provocative
as well. It often helps me to look at something from another perspective I
may not have considered, especially in my art.
>I am working on a masters degree in public administration now, and next
>fall I intend to start another masters program, this time on the PhD track,
>so that I can teach English/Literature on the university level.
Well...I can speak and write English!;)
>Ahhh, well, enough about me. I'm glad there is an open forum for lovers of
>Tangerine Dream, and I look forward to being a member. :)
Welcome aboard!
goozer
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at the line between black & white for
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At 02:07 PM 4/4/1998 -0500, Vicky wrote:
>Hey there guys :)
Make that guys and gals...since there are other ladies present :-)
>Yes, Sean, there are female TD fans out there, and I happen to be one of
>them! I've only been a TD fan for about 5 years, but my collection is
>steadily growing.
Hope you have lots of money:-) ...over 100 albums, singles, collections,
etc. by TD only. Many others by ex-TD members.
>I'm new to the list, and this is my first post, so feel free to backhand me
>if I'm going about it the wrong way. I've just been observing for the last
>few days.
Nah...we don't backhand ladies....just the guys...a bunch of sexists here.
>I actually have the audacity to call myself a poet. I do enjoy writing,
>and I actually have a small group who likes my work. TD has influenced
>some of my writings. If nothing else, it definitely puts me in the mood to
>create.
Vicky is a good name to have for a poet/writer in Alabama. Vicky Covington
is nationally reknown.
>I am working on a masters degree in public administration now, and next
>fall I intend to start another masters program, this time on the PhD track,
>so that I can teach English/Literature on the university level.
Good luck with your studies.
Andrew
Birmingham (actually Indian Springs Village) - Alabama
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Phil Meyer writes:
> --------God loves his children, yeah--
Hmm, I'm feeling neglected. Anyone know if he has a Website? Just
wondering....David
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>>Really-From: Vicky Rudd
>
>>My name is Vicky (or Victoria, whichever you prefer, I'm called by both),
>>and I hail from the great state of Alabama. :\ Uhmmmmmmm... The
weather's
>>really nice here. Heheh I'm 24, will be 25 next month.
He, I'm 24 too and will be 25 next month (24th May).
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
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stopped playing: Access Virus (i have to sleep too, you know)
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Vicky writes:
> so feel free to backhand me
> if I'm going about it the wrong way.
Is this something you're used to, or enjoy? Welcome to the strangest, deepest
and darkest list on the Web. No, wait that's my psyche, not the list. Or is
that Steve's? You see, I have this brother named Steve and I
automatically...aww forget it. Again, I'd like to Welcome you, 'The Vickster'
to our home away from home. This list can be quite enjoyable at times, and
other times, well, you'll see. Just don't ask about Elana or 'The Keep'.Of
course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong....David
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> (Hermes Guzman)
And maybe a little Spanish, huh? Maybe not. Hell, I've got an American name
and I speak a little Spanish. Why am I going on with this....somebody backhand
me....David
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Date: Sat Apr 4, 1998 11:39
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Subject: Re: Introductions all around :)
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
Wow, two new female listmembers in the course of a week!
Does this herald a major 'coming out' of female Dreamers?
(perhaps there's hope yet...)
;)
Gabe
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Really-From: Vic Rek
Okay guys and gals,
I'm sure you've seen my name enough around here for one weekend (me too).
But then we have a new member that has a name similar to mine, even the same
initials - and she even lives close by... But don't confuse me with her when
it comes to poetry.
What can this mean, only ONE thing. A PARTY! Guess what kind of music I'll
be playing?
So the guest list reads like this (from a geographical perspective):
Marcel (Good connection from Amsterdam to Atlanta)
Vicky (AL), Dell :-) (FL), The Highlander (FL), Jimbo (GA), Craig (GA),
Steve (GA), Roger (FL), Jen (even though PA isn't that close) and Andrew (AL).
Did I miss anyone? Oh ya, Dano & Eli can crash the party! Maybe even
DAVENTURA will show, but that's just my opinion. And of course the guest of
honor will be Mr. Datta himself! Maybe even Klaus & Peter will drop in for a
beer?
>Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>>>Really-From: Vicky Rudd
>>
>>>My name is Vicky (or Victoria, whichever you prefer, I'm called by both),
>>>and I hail from the great state of Alabama. :\ Uhmmmmmmm... The
>weather's
>>>really nice here. Heheh I'm 24, will be 25 next month.
>He, I'm 24 too and will be 25 next month (24th May).
And if you want your website link included in my upcoming 'link' page, just
drop me a note.
Signing off.. I've got to get some yardwork done and plant a tree...
Vic
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Date: Sun Apr 5, 1998 3:07
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Subject: Re: Introductions all around :)
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Really-From: PENFOLD
At 18:39 199804.04 -0500, tadream mailing list wrote:
>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
>
>Wow, two new female listmembers in the course of a week!
>
>Does this herald a major 'coming out' of female Dreamers?
>
>(perhaps there's hope yet...)
Just as long as we don't hose down the bandwidth of this ML with
testosterone
BTW: Hi Vicky, welcome aboard!
(ob TD)
Green Desert:TD's great 'lost' album. A haiku.
Wow. Oh Wow. GD.
Edgar guitar, Chris drum.
Just turn down the lights.
Pete
mailto:penfold@a...
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the
road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
-- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides
on which instruments to take on the road.
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Date: Sun Apr 5, 1998 2:20
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Subject: Re: Introductions all around :)
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> What can this mean, only ONE thing. A PARTY! Guess what kind of music
I'll
> be playing?
>
> So the guest list reads like this (from a geographical perspective):
> Marcel (Good connection from Amsterdam to Atlanta)
> Vicky (AL), Dell :-) (FL), The Highlander (FL), Jimbo (GA), Craig (GA),
> Steve (GA), Roger (FL), Jen (even though PA isn't that close) and Andrew
(AL).
> Did I miss anyone? Oh ya, Dano & Eli can crash the party! Maybe even
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Okay! We're the guys who look we didn't make the grade at the Motorhead
auditions!!!!!
Who's got the friggin' potato sacks?
> DAVENTURA will show, but that's just my opinion. And of course the guest
of
> honor will be Mr. Datta himself! Maybe even Klaus & Peter will drop in
for a
> beer?
Or a toke...:-)
> Signing off.. I've got to get some yardwork done and plant a tree...
If you've got good soil, just dig the hole. If you have a lot of sand, dig
the hole, put about 1/2 a cubic foot of Red Star's Planter's Mix & Mulch at
the bottom of the hole, and mix the remaining 1/2 with the sand with your
shovel (or hands, if you'd like). Wouldn't hurt to give the tree some
Vitamin B1, either, or 16-20-0 Ammonium Phosphate granulated fertilizer.
Stick the hose (turned on and running) several times into the soil around
the newly planted tree to get some H-2-O down there, and to get the air
*out* of the soil. Best method for proper planting: add 'have the kid do
all of this' to your step-by-step plan.
Save some of those mushrooms for the party!!!!!
E-Man
np: Stratovarius, *Visions of Europe* (live 2CD)
ne: Fritos' Texas Grill
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Date: Sun Apr 5, 1998 2:29
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Subject: Re: Introductions all around :)
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: Vicky Rudd
>
> Hey there guys :)
Yo!
> I actually have the audacity to call myself a poet. I do enjoy writing,
Cool! I have the audacity to call myself an all-around writer, among other
things. When it comes to prose fiction, I rarely turn out anything that
wouldn't fall under some subgenre of horror :-) (I am a living nightmare,
anyway, to some, including certain species of fishies, hehe).
> and I actually have a small group who likes my work. TD has influenced
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ditto! Dan's my numero uno fan!
> some of my writings. If nothing else, it definitely puts me in the mood
to
> create.
>
> I am working on a masters degree in public administration now, and next
> fall I intend to start another masters program, this time on the PhD
track,
> so that I can teach English/Literature on the university level.
Kudos for pursuing that Doctorate! It takes a lot of discipline to get a
degree, let alone multiples thereof. I'm stopping at a Bachelor's (in Eng
lit, as well) for now. I've had to work fulltime-plus while going to school
fulltime for what seems like an eternity. I've burned out. I envy anyone
who gets to enjoy their weekends. I'm 27 going on 47 at this point.
> Ahhh, well, enough about me. I'm glad there is an open forum for lovers
of
> Tangerine Dream, and I look forward to being a member. :)
Groovy, Vicky! Just save lots of cash, because there's a lot of music to
buy, and always take anything you read with a grain of salt, and you'll
have lots of fun a.k.a. a good time. There are a few of us kidders here on
the list. Never take anything *too* seriously (like some people), except,
of course, for late-breaking news and Edgar Froese and his chimp, Bubbles!
E-Man
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Date: Fri Apr 3, 1998 7:24
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Subject: is it my turn...huh...is it?? I guess I'll make it my turn to introduce myself :-)
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Really-From: OIK
As the subject sez...I am MAKING it my turn to introduce myself :->
(thankyou victoria for reminding me to do this)
I have not listened to TD for very long...about 3 months, and that is
when I got a dubbed copy from a friend...I haven't EVER owned my own CD,
but I can now listen to a cd of it any time I want, after that friend
became a girlfriend, and I moved in with her :->
I have a particular interest in Enigma, and I guess my tastes sorta
spilled over from there. infact if you read my signature, it will even
say that I write an article for Suite101.com that is about Enigma(hint
hint...check it out).
although my Girlfriend only owns one CD by TD, we have 4 more on the way
from Columbia House. yup...soon we will have every TD CD that columbia
house has to offer (any suggestions as to where we can find a better
selection??).
lets see...about me other than music...I am 18, and live in
Pennsylvania, USA...I don't do very much of anything...play on the
puter...do a little programing here and there, make noise, and bust
stuff...what more is there in life to do??
well I am about half way through the 1,000 messages a day I get from
this list, so I better get back to reading. :->
--
OIK
visit my home page at http://oik.home.ml.org
sign up for my Philosophy Mailing List at
http://oik.home.ml.org/mail_list.html
Visit http://www.suite101.com and read my article on Enigma(it is in the
music section)
last but not least, Have a Nice Day :o)
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Date: Sun Apr 5, 1998 10:26
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Subject: Re: Introductions all around :)
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
> Wow, two new female listmembers in the course of a week!
>
> Does this herald a major 'coming out' of female Dreamers?
The Tangerine Dream list in spanish (TDFANS, it began 2 weeks ago) have
3 females subscribed from the very beginning. Maybe latin-speaking
ladies( spanish, french, italian, Portuguese) are more prone to TD's
influences...
If some of you want to practice spanish and subscribe, just send a
message to jupe@c... telling him to do it.
Really it was a very good idea to open the list since there is a lot of
spanish-speaking TD fans who don't speak/write english.
Ah!... Welcome poet Vicky to this humble room.
---Francisco
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Date: Sun Apr 5, 1998 4:34
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Subject: Re: Introductions all around :)
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Really-From: DAVENTURA
Francisco writes:
> since there is a lot of
> spanish-speaking TD fans who don't speak/write english.
First of all, shouldn't that be 'since there are a lot?....I'm sure that there
are a lot of redneck Spice Girl fans that can't read/write English, either.
But I'm not being forced to learn their language...(insert commentary
here)....David
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Date: Sun Apr 5, 1998 5:12
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list escribió:
> Really-From: DAVENTURA
>
> Francisco writes:
> > since there is a lot of
> > spanish-speaking TD fans who don't speak/write english.
>
> First of all, shouldn't that be 'since there are a lot?....
Yes. I've made a mistake. I'm not perfect.
> I'm sure that there
> are a lot of redneck Spice Girl fans that can't read/write English, either.
> But I'm not being forced to learn their language...(insert commentary
> here)....David
This is voluntary, David, Just for fun, no obligation whatsoever.
--- Francisco
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At 11:26 AM 4/5/1998 +0100, Francisco wrote:
>3 females subscribed from the very beginning. Maybe latin-speaking
>ladies( spanish, french, italian, Portuguese) [.....]
Romanian
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
tadream mailing list escribió:
> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
> At 11:26 AM 4/5/1998 +0100, Francisco wrote:
>
> >3 females subscribed from the very beginning. Maybe latin-speaking
> >ladies( spanish, french, italian, Portuguese) [.....]
>
> Romanian
Damit!... forgot it
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Date: Mon Apr 6, 1998 6:01
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Subject: Re: Tangram Midi File
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>Hmm, I'm feeling neglected. Anyone know if he has a Website? Just
>wondering....David
>
My web site was in my sig. It's http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk.
--Phil Meyer--------------------------
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--------God loves his children, yeah--
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Subject: Re: How TD has changed ME PLEASE STOP SENDING ME THIS!!!
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 11:45 AM 4/3/98, you wrote:
>JW--thanks for all the spam--to get off the list read the paragraph
>inbetween the dotted lines.
Odd.....I sent this to JW....not the list. Oh, Rod Serling just walked in
the room.
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: Cleaning Pinch Rollers: Aromatic Hydrocarbon or Alcohol?
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:49:04 -0500
>Subject: re: dubbing hints
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Lars R. Jones <105411.3107@c...>
>
>'molasar the spam vampire' writes:
>> Nein. Nyet. Non. Ixnay. Unless things have changed, DO NOT
>>use head cleaner on the 'pinch roller' (the big black rubber wheel),
>>because the alcohol will dry the wheel out so that it could crack or
>>at least become abrasive to the tapes running over it.
>
>-- well steve most of us will burn out our decks long before we have
>any problems like this. Besides even the **manufacturers** of my decks
>(sony & yamaha) recommend 'with the tape deck turned off, wipe the
>heads, the pinch rollers and the capstans with a cotton swab slightly
>moistened with alcohol or a commercially available cleaning fluid for
>tape decks.' Now, I'm more apt to pay attention to the manufacturer's
>instructions than your recommendations, based as they apparently are,
>on 10-year-old hearsay(?).
Well, I bought a two-bottle head cleaning kit from a stereo repair
shop about 10 years ago. One bottle, with an orange liquid, was your
basic alcohol-type cleaner for the heads--only it wasn't alcohol. The
other bottle, with a blue liquid, was very smelly and was only for the
rubber wheels in the tape deck.
Folks told me that commohly-found alcohol at drug stores was impure
and had lanolin in it--which eventually builds up on your heads and adds
an oily residue. In drug stores, the most commonly carried alcohol are
those listed as being 91%, 93%, and 97%. All have lanolin in them. If
you want the 99%--which is the best--you have to get it from a hospital
manufacturer, or warehouse. Apparently, pure alcohol is used in the
making of angel dust, so it is not commercially available. It is super-
volatile, too. The stereo repair shop I went to for ten years bought
99% alcohol in gallon jugs and used it exclusively for cleaning the
heads in tape decks.
>certainly too much alcohol may be a problem but unless you can come
>with an **available** alternative... if it's not available steve, why
>even bother to recommend it? all you will do is encourage people not
>to clean for fear of causing a problem and the result is lower sound
>quality... [. . .]
What, it's better to do something lame than nothing at all?!?
That's a dangerous philosophy. Granted, doing something half-assed is
better than nothing, but doing something bad rather than good is some-
thing different.
The bottle I have is called 'TEAC rubber cleaner conditioner.'
Its listed contents are 'aromatic hydrocarbon, antioxidant,' and there
is a notice that says, 'This liquide contains no alcohol.' The front
of the bottle reads:
| TEAC Rubber cleaner conditioner
|
| This fluid is specially formulated to clean and condition the
| pinch roller and any other rubber parts on your tape recorder. . . .
| Regular application and cleaning will reduce the effects of ozone and
| smog which cause hardening and cracking of rubber parts.
|
| TEAC Corporation of America, Montebello, CA 90640
| PRD-4
>[. . .] I'm sure even your teac conditioner/cleaner has lifespan/
>limit... and 10years is probably long past it... perhaps you're doing
>more damage?
No. It works as well as it ever did. The only difference at all
is that most of the blue coloring has faded from the liquid. When I
clean a pinch roller by applying it to a cotton swab, I must lean the
swab against the roller about 5 or 6 times at different angles and in
different places to get all the dark crap that comes off the roller.
In all fairness, though, I do remember being told at the shop
where I got the stuff that it is no longer made and that current tape
head cleaners are good for both the heads *and* the roller. This
seems odd to me, though, seeing as people still tend to use alcohol
despite all the noise about there being lanolin in the lower grades
of it. (Where is Mark Filipak when you need him?)
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Mon Apr 6, 1998 2:25
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Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream & Golf + HTML?
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Really-From: AOutland
In a message dated 98-04-03 22:42:31 EST, you write: Vic:
<< But nobody has so far mentioned the scene
when Randy and his mistress have fun in the hotel. You know, running naked
in the hotel and pouring ice on each other. >>
Didn't know this scene existed. You kinda miss some of the fun when you
watch a movie on G-minded TV. Maybe it is worth renting the movie after all.
Dell
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: Bionaut. Ever hear of these guys?
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Here's some stuff peripherally-related to TD from the space music
mailing list and the band known as Bionaut themselves:
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
Subject: Bionaut Live April 11
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:47:03 -0500
From: space-music@c... (space-music mailing list)
Really-From: bionaut
Hey there,
Bionaut returns to Boston. Live show at the Zeitgeist Gallery in
Cambridge on Saturday April 11. We'll be playing with Electro Organic
Sound System. Yeah! Boston's two best electronic music acts under one
roof!
Show starts around 10pm. Email me for further info if you're planning on
coming.
With any luck we'll have the new disc in hand. Hope you local folks can
make it. Sorry to all you out-of-towners. Hopefully we'll come see you
soon.
Best, Chris
_____________________________________________________
VOTE FOR BIONAUT ONLINE 'Best Electronic Act, Boston'
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/cgi-bin/bmp1998.pl
_____________________________________________________
Bionaut CD's are $10 each until April 16
'Au Naturel'
'Big Causeway to Gone'
Tiny Bubbles Music
1600 Falmouth Rd Suite 109
Centerville MA 02632
PH/FX 508-778-0118
http://www.vse.cape.com/~bionaut
+ + + + + + +
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 98 21:10:03 EST
From: space-music@c... (space-music mailing list)
Subject: Re: Bionaut Live April 11
Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:47:03 -0500
>Subject: Re: Bionaut Live April 11
>From: space-music mailing list
>Really-From: bionaut
>
>Bionaut returns to Boston. Live show at the Zeitgeist Gallery in
>Cambridge on Saturday April 11. We'll be playing with Electro Organic
>Sound System. Yeah! Boston's two best electronic music acts under one
>roof!
I've been into space music for almost 20 years. I moved to Boston
from Providence, RI four years ago. I've never heard of either Bionaut
or E.O. Sound System. I never heard of Zeitgeist Gallery. I haven't
really gone to clubs regularly since 1979 (when I was a disco boy, doing
the do to Giorgio Moroder, Simon Sousson and Bob Esty's stuff). The only
Massachusetts e-music band I've heard is Architectural Metaphor.
>Show starts around 10pm. Email me for further info if you're planning on
>coming.
Please fill me in. What kind of e-music do you (and that other
band) do?
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
, and BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, R. Carty, Greinke, Serrie.
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| 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. THREE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! |
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Subject: Re: Bionaut Live April 11
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:06:27 -0500
From: bionaut
To: 'Steven Feldman'
Steven Feldman wrote...
>The only
>Massachusetts e-music band I've heard is Architectural Metaphor.
Funny, I used to play with them and the other half of Bionaut is Paul
Eggleston who IS Arc Met. They're still going strong. You're going to
--> love Bionaut, it tends to be quite a lot like TD in their prime with
some Arc Met thrown in. Two guys, all electronic, no techno beats. I
guess it's what people call 'ambient'.
You really need to come see us play. EOSS is different. He's a
younger guy, doing new school stuff, I think he calls it jungle.
He's good at it.
We go on around 10:30pm.
Do you need directions?
Best, Chris
_____________________________________________________
VOTE FOR BIONAUT ONLINE 'Best Electronic Act, Boston'
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/cgi-bin/bmp1998.pl
_____________________________________________________
Bionaut CD's are $10 each until April 16
'Au Naturel'
'Big Causeway to Gone'
Tiny Bubbles Music
1600 Falmouth Rd Suite 109
Centerville MA 02632
PH/FX 508-778-0118
http://www.vse.cape.com/~bionaut
From:
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Date: Mon Apr 6, 1998 2:44
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Subject: Re: Introductions all around :)
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In a message dated 98-04-04 14:10:05 EST, you write:
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Hey there guys :)
Yes, Sean, there are female TD fans out there, and I happen to be one of
them! >>
Hi, Vicky, 'bout time you made it here. You're gonna find this to be a
really neat place with lots of insider information about TD. Conflicting
opinions abound, but that's what makes it fun. We all treat each other with
respect so no one is going to 'backhand' you. Welcome. 8-) Dell
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In a message dated 98-04-04 18:40:28 EST, you write: Gabe:
<< Wow, two new female listmembers in the course of a week! >>
Jen, Ami, and Vicky makes three. Unless Jen turned out to be a guy;
anyone know? Dell
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> In a message dated 98-04-04 18:40:28 EST, you write: Gabe:
>
> << Wow, two new female listmembers in the course of a week! >>
> Jen, Ami, and Vicky makes three. Unless Jen turned out to be a guy;
> anyone know? Dell
I know for a fact that jen is female, since she is my
girlfriend/roommate :->
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Subject: Klaus Schulze on Electrobeats
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Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft)
First of all: To everyone that tried to contact me over the last 3
weeks and has not received a reply: Sorry, but I have been doing a lot
of travelling and could only answer some of the posts so far, you'll
be hearing from me.
On to another subject:
Last night's ELECTROBEATS show featured KLAUS SCHULZE who was there in
the studio for the entire 4 hours. I managed to listen only to the
first hour until 2:00am, and was able to tape the first 3 hours, so
the 4th hour is 'lost'...
So far I can only comment on the first hour: He played a lot of music
from recent studio albums such as Dosburg Online, the new Wahnfried
album, etc. Schulze was asked to comment about each of these played
albums and had a few interesting stories to tell about the individual
tracks and his style of working etc.
Also, people were allowed to call in to place questions.
On top of that Schulze played a lot of music from his favorite artists
and commented about these. The first hour featured music from the new
MADONNA album (actually the 'Frozen' Remixes) by William Orbit, and a
remix of a track from SNAP. Also some old Ashra stuff was played.
I will be checking my tapes for the remaining 2 hours. If someone
expected any rare tracks or unreleased stuff, it doesn't look like
there was anything like this in the show.
In case you were thinking about asking me for a copy...that will be
possible, but not until 4 or 5 weeks from now, all my copying capacity
is 100% used up with other things... :-)
Hilmar
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Subject: RE: is it my turn...huh...is it?? I guess I'll make it my turn t o introduce myself :-)
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>although my Girlfriend only owns one CD by TD, we have 4 more
on the way
>from Columbia House. yup...soon we will have every TD CD that
columbia
>house has to offer (any suggestions as to where we can find a
better
>selection??).
Wow, the Private Music of. . . was the only TD I ever saw in the
CH catalog. Maybe I didn't get the right one.
Scott
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Subject: Holi Grüp dass is Tangerine Dream
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Halo TaTräumez!
Jech wirs ver früli dass internazionin grüp Tangerine Dream is. Un dass
allin zex repräsentint sunt. (Jech remembrins dass on Ert gibvti drin (2)
zex : mälle un vemälle un dass ze ferste löükt imme foür ze sekondete, as
zis obviüs in ze listë is).
Träumen Onn!
Gritingz doo allin,
Frädd
np : Magma an 1st äpriil, 1999 lïfe
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In a message dated 98-04-06 09:08:03 EDT, you write:
<< In case you were thinking about asking me for a copy...that will be
possible, but not until 4 or 5 weeks from now, all my copying capacity
is 100% used up with other things... :-)
>>
please put me down for one of these whenever u get a chance...thanks...tom w
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Subject: Re: is it my turn...huh...is it?? I guess I'll make it my turn t o introduce myself :-)
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>
> >although my Girlfriend only owns one CD by TD, we have 4 more
> on the way
> >from Columbia House. yup...soon we will have every TD CD that
> columbia
> >house has to offer (any suggestions as to where we can find a
> better
> >selection??).
>
> Wow, the Private Music of. . . was the only TD I ever saw in the
> CH catalog. Maybe I didn't get the right one.
>
> Scott
check out their website...they now have 220 Volt, the dream mixes, and a
couple others...it is worth your time to check them out.
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Subject: just when u thought the tape tree was final....
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tell the truth people: u knew id screw up...well guess what? i did...but not
too badly...couple of addresses, forgot some people, moved a few around,
started a usa digital branch, (thats gotta work together to make it happen),
little stuff like that...so, here it is...good luck...
tom w
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Subject: birthdates
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Marcel wrote:
Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>>Really-From: Vicky Rudd
>
He, I'm 24 too and will be 25 next month (24th May).
Same date of birth as mine!!! (albeit some 20 years apart)........and we
both enjoy TD.........Is this a coincidence or what........maybe there IS
something in astrology after all! (Heh! heh! heh!).
Ash
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Yo Tom,
Correction on my address (may not matter 'cause you're my branch):
rogersmith3@h...
Thanks for including me in the next tree. Anything from my list you
want a copy of? You got the new Goldtri 2CD emusic compilation from UK
artists? You into Radio Massacre International?
Roger
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tadream mailing list wrote:
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> Really-From: 'ashok prema'
>
> Marcel wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> >>Really-From: Vicky Rudd
> >
>
> He, I'm 24 too and will be 25 next month (24th May).
>
> Same date of birth as mine!!! (albeit some 20 years apart)........and we
> both enjoy TD.........Is this a coincidence or what........maybe there IS
> something in astrology after all! (Heh! heh! heh!).
>
> Ash
Ash, you are 4 ??? ;-)
Being born on May 24, that makes you a Gemini, an air sign,
along with Libra and Aquarius. Like all other air sign,
you should favor logic and rational thoughts. Being born
in mid-February, I am an Aquarian with a Gemini ascender,
and, as it is well known -- and expected -- we Aquarians
don't believe in astrology...
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
online since early 93, TD fan since 77
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
P.S.: actually, that could be a neat thing to check out:
see if TD finds more support from a group than another.
My bet is that it will score high with people with 2 ears! ;-)
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Date: Mon Apr 6, 1998 9:14
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Subject: Re: birthdates
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>Really-From: 'ashok prema'
>
>Marcel wrote:
>
>Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>>>Really-From: Vicky Rudd
>>
>
>
>He, I'm 24 too and will be 25 next month (24th May).
>
>
>Same date of birth as mine!!! (albeit some 20 years apart)........and we
>both enjoy TD.........Is this a coincidence or what........maybe there IS
>something in astrology after all! (Heh! heh! heh!).
Nope, pure coincidence I think. :-)
But a very strange coincidence indeed.
Marcel
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In a message dated 98-04-06 16:22:45 EDT, you write:
<< Thanks for including me in the next tree. Anything from my list you
want a copy of? You got the new Goldtri 2CD emusic compilation from UK
artists? You into Radio Massacre International? >>
send me ur list of stuff...thanks...tom w
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Subject: Gotcha ! ;-) Was Re: just when u thought the tape tree was final....
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>Really-From: 'Roger Smith'
Psst. It seems that you wanted to send this one directly to Tom, eh ?
You wrote:
> You got the new Goldtri 2CD emusic compilation from UK artists?
Err. Although most of the tracks on the GoldTri comp are from UK artists,
I know for sure that it´s an international EM sampler featuring artists
from the USA, Denmark, The Netherlands, Germany and the UK... ;-)
Copies are still available and they are quite cheaply ....
Check
http://www.ratfink.demon.co.uk/stonker/
for further details
Kind Regards
Jens von Vierd
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Subject: GoldTri CD Availability?
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>Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:17:01 +0200
>Subject: Re: Gotcha ! ;-)
Was Re: just when u thought the tape tree was final....
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Jens Peschke
>
>> Really-From: 'Roger Smith'
>
>> You got the new Goldtri 2CD emusic compilation from UK artists?
>
>Copies are still available and they are quite cheaply ....
>
>Check
>
>http://www.ratfink.demon.co.uk/stonker/=20
>
>for further details
I went to that webpage, and all I found was a link to click on
called 'Pre-order now!' There was no mention of price, overseas
postage, and/or the amount of copies still left.
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Subject: Introductions Merry-go-round
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
You know, I think the addition of two new female subscribers has
gone far in veering this list into an 'Introduction' service in the vein
of -- dare I say it? -- computer dating -- what with all the introducing
of one another and the astrological sign comparisons and all.
When I posted a notice to the TDI website 'guestbook' in service
of entreating Fred Smythe to re-post his retort to the Edgar and Jerome
rant, I thought to myself how the guestbook was beginning to seem like a
mini-version of *this* list. Now, however, this list seems to be
getting to be like the guestbook! :( ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Windspell Music Sale: $13.98 Import CDs (even doubles!) cc: Golden Triangle mailing list , Space Music Mailing List
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Hi, Gang,
I just thought you all should know that Mike Garrison's mail-order
service, 'Windspell Music,' is having a CD sale that just can't be beat:
most of his stock--made up almost exclusively of import CDs--is on sale
for just $13.98 per title *including 2-CD sets*! I don't know how long
the sale is running, but the flyer I received was post-dated March 28th.
Here's an example of some of the stuff he has available:
o Andy Pickford TERRAFORMER $13.98
o Andy Pickford MAELSTROM $13.98
o Andy Pickford DYSTOPIA $13.98
o Andy Pickford XENOMORPH $13.98
o Andy Pickford WORKS LIVE, VOLUME I $13.98
o Andy Pickford WORKS VOLUME II 'LIVE' $13.98
o Brainwork SUNRISE $13.98
o Brainwork BACK TO THE ROOTS $13.98
o Brainwork RHTHYM BASE $13.98
o Brainwork V (double-CD) $13.98 (!)
o Brainwork LIVE $13.98
o Brainwork BRAINOTRONIC $13.98
o Brainwork SENSUAL REFLECTIONS $13.98
o Ian Boddy SPIRITS $13.98
o Ian Boddy DRIVE $13.98
o Ian Boddy JADE $13.98
o Ian Boddy ODYSSEY $13.98
o Ian Boddy UNCERTAINTY PRINCIPLE $13.98
o Ian Boddy THE CLIMB $13.98
o Ian Boddy THE DEEP $13.98
o Ian Boddy PHOENIX $13.98
o John Dyson (of Wavestar fame) EVOLUTION $13.98
o John Dyson (of Wavestar fame) DIFFERENT VALUES $13.98
o The Nightcrawlers TRAVELLING BACKWARDS (double-CD) $13.98 (!)
o PERU THE PROPHECIES $13.98
o PERU CONTINENTS $13.98
o PERU MACCHU PICCHU $13.98
o PERU CONSTELLATIONS $13.98
o PERU POINTS OF THE COMPASS $13.98
o Synco 85-89 $13.98
o Synco EVOLUTION OF EVENTS $13.98
o Waveshape SIGMA $13.98
o Waveshape POLYCHROME $13.98
o Waveshape ZYKLUS $13.98
o Waveshape WELLENFORMEN $13.98
o Waveshape LIVE $13.98
Also available are 8 Ron Boots CDs, 12 Mike Garrison CDs, and 9
Bernd Kistenmacher CDs.
Even better, there are 29 CDs listed at $11.98, including 2 by
Joerg Strawe, 7 by John Kerr, 5 by David Wright, and CLOSE BY MY
DISTANCE by Mario Schonwalder.
The CDs mentioned above priced at $13,98 and $11.98 are from
Austria, Belgium, England, Italy, Germany, Netherlands, Norway, Spain,
and the USA.
Shipping and handling costs $4.00.
The address to mail to is
Windspell Music
1293 N.W. Wall Street #1515
Bend, OR 97701
Credit Card Orders (ORDERS ONLY PLEASE): call 1-800-597-WIND (9463)
Fax Orders (INC. CREDIT CARD NUMBER & EXPIR DATE): call 1-541-389-2031
Well, that's all you need to know.
Andy Pickford--whose CDs usually cost a heck of a lot more--is one
of the best e-musicians going, and some say the same for Ian Boddy and
Ron Boots. Brainwork is a German duo putting out some of the best
sequencer, upbeat e-music you'll hear. It is *not* like TD, despite its
Berlin-school roots. (Ask Lars about Brainwork.)
PERU, the Nightcrawlers, Synco, Waveshape, and Wavestar are all
similar to TD in one way or another.
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
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Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, R. Carty, Greinke, Serrie.
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has anyone heard blue fear by armin ,it sounds like a 90,s rubycon ...
superb.....
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> I now have a copy of the Relativity POLAND 2-CD set that comes in
>a slimline case, and a copy that comes in a double-jewel case, so I can
>say with certainty that the following is so (at least as far as the two
>CDs *I* have are concerned):
>
> o the text on the disks in the slimline set is printed in brown
> o the text on the disks in the double-case set is printed in blue
>
> -- Steven Feldman
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Perhaps trying to capitalize on Tangerine Dream's current flood of
reissues, compilations and general vault-clearing, it seems that the band
Kaleidoscope is reissuing their 1967 album 'Tangerine Dream'. It's
available from RPM records in Texas for 20 bucks U.S.
http://rpmrecords.com/arrivals.html
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> Perhaps trying to capitalize on Tangerine Dream's current flood of
> reissues, compilations and general vault-clearing, it seems that the band
> Kaleidoscope is reissuing their 1967 album 'Tangerine Dream'. It's
> available from RPM records in Texas for 20 bucks U.S.
And retailers are getting confused. I've seen it in one store's TD
section already....
-B. Kirby
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Howdy..
I just talked to Windspell...even placed an order....anyway...I was told
the double CDs are not 13.98, but 29.98 and that the sale would last this
week...get 'em while you can (Nightcrawlers - Travelling...is sold out!).
Happy buying,
Ken
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>
>Hi, Gang,
> I just thought you all should know that Mike Garrison's mail-order
>service, 'Windspell Music,' is having a CD sale that just can't be beat:
>most of his stock--made up almost exclusively of import CDs--is on sale
>for just $13.98 per title *including 2-CD sets*! I don't know how long
>the sale is running, but the flyer I received was post-dated March 28th.
> Here's an example of some of the stuff he has available:
>
>o Andy Pickford TERRAFORMER $13.98
>o Andy Pickford MAELSTROM $13.98
>o Andy Pickford DYSTOPIA $13.98
>o Andy Pickford XENOMORPH $13.98
>o Andy Pickford WORKS LIVE, VOLUME I $13.98
>o Andy Pickford WORKS VOLUME II 'LIVE' $13.98
>o Brainwork SUNRISE $13.98
>o Brainwork BACK TO THE ROOTS $13.98
>o Brainwork RHTHYM BASE $13.98
>o Brainwork V (double-CD) $13.98 (!)
>o Brainwork LIVE $13.98
>o Brainwork BRAINOTRONIC $13.98
>o Brainwork SENSUAL REFLECTIONS $13.98
>o Ian Boddy SPIRITS $13.98
>o Ian Boddy DRIVE $13.98
>o Ian Boddy JADE $13.98
>o Ian Boddy ODYSSEY $13.98
>o Ian Boddy UNCERTAINTY PRINCIPLE $13.98
>o Ian Boddy THE CLIMB $13.98
>o Ian Boddy THE DEEP $13.98
>o Ian Boddy PHOENIX $13.98
>o John Dyson (of Wavestar fame) EVOLUTION $13.98
>o John Dyson (of Wavestar fame) DIFFERENT VALUES $13.98
>o The Nightcrawlers TRAVELLING BACKWARDS (double-CD) $13.98 (!)
>o PERU THE PROPHECIES $13.98
>o PERU CONTINENTS $13.98
>o PERU MACCHU PICCHU $13.98
>o PERU CONSTELLATIONS $13.98
>o PERU POINTS OF THE COMPASS $13.98
>o Synco 85-89 $13.98
>o Synco EVOLUTION OF EVENTS $13.98
>o Waveshape SIGMA $13.98
>o Waveshape POLYCHROME $13.98
>o Waveshape ZYKLUS $13.98
>o Waveshape WELLENFORMEN $13.98
>o Waveshape LIVE $13.98
>
> Also available are 8 Ron Boots CDs, 12 Mike Garrison CDs, and 9
>Bernd Kistenmacher CDs.
> Even better, there are 29 CDs listed at $11.98, including 2 by
>Joerg Strawe, 7 by John Kerr, 5 by David Wright, and CLOSE BY MY
>DISTANCE by Mario Schonwalder.
> The CDs mentioned above priced at $13,98 and $11.98 are from
>Austria, Belgium, England, Italy, Germany, Netherlands, Norway, Spain,
>and the USA.
>
>Shipping and handling costs $4.00.
>The address to mail to is
> Windspell Music
> 1293 N.W. Wall Street #1515
> Bend, OR 97701
>
>Credit Card Orders (ORDERS ONLY PLEASE): call 1-800-597-WIND (9463)
>Fax Orders (INC. CREDIT CARD NUMBER & EXPIR DATE): call 1-541-389-2031
>
> Well, that's all you need to know.
> Andy Pickford--whose CDs usually cost a heck of a lot more--is one
>of the best e-musicians going, and some say the same for Ian Boddy and
>Ron Boots. Brainwork is a German duo putting out some of the best
>sequencer, upbeat e-music you'll hear. It is *not* like TD, despite its
>Berlin-school roots. (Ask Lars about Brainwork.)
> PERU, the Nightcrawlers, Synco, Waveshape, and Wavestar are all
>similar to TD in one way or another.
>
>Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
>, and BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
>Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
>Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
>FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, R. Carty, Greinke, Serrie.
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: Vault Clearing? Hee hee, ho ho, heh heh.
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>Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:07:42 +0000
>Subject: Re: Kaleidoscope's 'Tangerine Dream'
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Brian E. Kirby
>
>> Perhaps trying to capitalize on Tangerine Dream's current flood of
>> reissues, compilations and general vault-clearing [. . .]
'Vault-clearing'? Is that something like an enema? Or the reaming
that Ol' Edgar has been giving us re the sheer amount of expenditure we
TD fans have had to lay out in the last year-and-a-half (and the coming
year)? ;)
>>[. . .], it seems that the band Kaleidoscope is reissuing their 1967
>>album 'Tangerine Dream'. It's available from RPM records in Texas
>>for 20 bucks U.S.
>
>And retailers are getting confused. I've seen it in one store's TD
>section already....
Don't feel too bad. After all, Edgar saw to it that AMBIENT MONKEYS
was labeled as being a TD album rather than an eponymous one-shot debut,
didn't he? ;) Hee hee.
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: LUNAR by Zeitgeist: TD meets Dead Can Dance(?)
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Really-From: Steven Feldman Again (what's that, 5 times today?)
Here's some more info peripheral to TD:
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Cranium_Music_Newsletter #7
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:35:06 +1200
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Welcome to the Cranium Newsletter # 7 (Early April 98).
[lotsa stuff deleted]
NEW IN STOCK
[more stuff deleted]
NZ$ US$ AUS$
CIRCLE PORI 28 18 25
(Instrumental Finnish 'NEU' meets 'CAN')
DISCIPLINE UNFOLDED LIKE..28 18 25
(Current talk of the prog world)
NEW SUN FRACTURED 28 16 23
(Space Rock with fusion)
NEW SUN AFFECTS 26 16 23
(Latest. Superb Space Rock release)
ZEITGEIST LUNAR 20 13 18
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Subject: This Kent Borrefjaell Eskilksen Guy cc: Hypnotic Records
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Hi,
When I was at Lars' last week, he played all sorts of keen stuff,
but perhaps best of all was the stuff by the guy who wrote the TD book,
30 YEARS OF DREAMING: Kent Borrefjaell Eskilksen. Lars played me much
of his cassette, TIMESCAPE, and it blew me away. I haven't heard stuff
this good since discovering Brainwork and Andy Pickford!
I was quite startled to learn that Kent's music had been previously
heard by TD fans on the CD, TANGERINE AMBIENCE VOLUME II. As it turns
out, he went under two aliases on that album. These two are his:
o (Track 2:) 'Stratosfear' by Ttoken Angle
o (Track 3:) 'White Eagle' by Kenton Files
To those of you who loves these two tracks (and who wouldn't?), I
urge you to obtain Kent's cassette tape. It's really too bad that he
does not have a deal with a label, because his stuff's way too good to
not be widely distributed. As it is, the disservice being done is to
the potential music listener more than the potential music retailer.
Here's the mailing address:
Kent Borrefjaell Eskildsen
Klangshoj Studio
Sandbakkevej 7
DK 9800 Hjorring
Denmark
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
, and BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Ozrics, R. Carty, Greinke, Serrie.
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Subject: 'The Analogue Space Years'
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
Maybe I am becoming pedantic at old age, but it sure bugs the dickens out
of me that Zeit is misspelled everywhere (on the box, cover, back of front
cover, etc.) as 'Ziet.' Amazingly, the putz who laid out the cover states
clearly that track 2 is: '2. ZIET' ....and under it, in tiny letters,
'Taken from Zeit.'
Someone ought to have a chat with Mr. Cleopatra. Maybe they ought to
copyright it, since there is no German word 'Ziet.'
Andrew
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Subject: Re: GoldTri CD Availability?
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>Really-From: Steven Feldman
> I went to that webpage, and all I found was a link to click on
>called 'Pre-order now!' There was no mention of price, overseas
>postage, and/or the amount of copies still left.
You´re right, it should say 'order now' instead of 'pre-order now'.
But prices incl. postage are included (only visible with grafix=on):
http://www.ratfink.demon.co.uk/stonker/order.html
It´s 10 UKP (British pounds) incl. shipping to the USA.
mailto:ANDY_BLOYCE@C...
for further details (payment in US$ at all)...
Some MPEG3 (mono) samples are to be found at
http://www.ratfink.demon.co.uk/stonker/sounds.html
More than 50% of the 500 copies are already sold, it was
released on March, the 21th (1998), btw.
Kind Regards
Jens
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Subject: Re: Introductions all around :)
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Well, last time I checked, I did NOT have a penis. :->
tadream mailing list wrote:
> In a message dated 98-04-04 18:40:28 EST, you write: Gabe:
>
> << Wow, two new female listmembers in the course of a week! >>
> Jen, Ami, and Vicky makes three. Unless Jen turned out to be a guy;
> anyone know? Dell
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Subject: Re: armin blue fear
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> Really-From: 'david clarke'
>
>
> has anyone heard blue fear by armin ,it sounds like a 90,s rubycon ...
Another one?????
E-Man
np: 70s Rubycon
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> Really-From: Jen Phillips
>
>
> > << Wow, two new female listmembers in the course of a week! >>
> > Jen, Ami, and Vicky makes three. Unless Jen turned out to be a
guy;
> > anyone know? Dell
>
>
> Well, last time I checked, I did NOT have a penis. :->
Hee hee....oh, hee...hahaha....too funny, sheesh,......hahahahaha....hee
hee.....
*ahem*
E-Man
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> Really-From: Jen Phillips
>
> Well, last time I checked, I did NOT have a penis. :->
>
Yeeeeehahahahahahaha!!!! Well, I'm sure that in some way, this is TD
related. In fact, I know it is.
D-
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> > Really-From: 'david clarke'
> >
> >
> > has anyone heard blue fear by armin ,it sounds like a 90,s rubycon ...
>
> Another one?????
>
> E-Man
> np: 70s Rubycon
I am selling several promo albums of mine with nothing but 70 minutes of
a non-changing droning sequence. Be warned...the sequence does not
change at all. One sequence, one pattern, 70 minutes through the whole
CD. Email me if you want one...seriously hehehe.
Dano, who is hoping no one actually emails me for one of these...but I
will make one if you wanna buy it hehehe.
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Date: Tue Apr 7, 1998 6:07
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Subject: Reply to everyone (I hope) :o)
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Really-From: Vicky Rudd
OK, Guys & Gals <----- (better, Andrew?)
[Rob] I like inspired poetry, do you write anything in other forums? ...
Good to see someone expressing an interest in poetry on this list.
Add me to it.
Consider yourself added! And, no, I only write poetry... Unless you count
the analytical work I do as someone seeking an English degree.
[Goozer] Well I for one certainly enjoyed reading the wonderful missive
you posted in the TaDream Guestbook! ... TD is very much a part of Life's
soundtrack for me; I find the music not only inspirational but provocative
as well.
Thanks for the great compliment! It's always nice to see your work
appreciated, especially when it comes from your heart. TaDream is a big
part of my life's tapestry. I have found it provocative as well, as is
evidenced by some of my latest writings! :o)
[Daventura] Vicky writes: so feel free to backhand me if I'm going about
it the wrong way.
Is this something you're used to, or enjoy?
No, I'm definitely not used to it, and I don't believe I'd enjoy it. It
was just a joke, albeit not a very good one! :P Thank you for the welcome,
though...
[Vic] What can this mean, only ONE thing. A PARTY!
Groovy :) Where and when? You know....I have a really big house....
BTW: I had no idea so many TD fans were from the South...
[Pete] Wow. Oh Wow. GD.
Edgar guitar, Chris drum.
Just turn down the lights.
Only one thing missing from your haiku.... The seventh syllable in the
second line. Haikus are 5-7-5. Good job, though!! And thanks for the
warm welcome...
[E-Man] Cool! I have the audacity to call myself an all-around writer,
among other things...
What other things? Or do we even want to know??? LOL
[Francisco] Welcome poet Vicky to this humble room.
Thanks Francisco!! If I ever shorten your name, and it offends you, please
pardon me. My best friend's name is Cisco!
[Daventura] First of all, shouldn't that be 'since there are a lot?....I'm
sure that there are a lot of redneck Spice Girl fans that can't read/write
English, either. But I'm not being forced to learn their language...
Hey, give him a break! Francisco's error wasn't nearly as horrific as Red
Neck Spice Girl fans. Believe me, I've seen them. There's no comparison.
:)
[Dell] Hi, Vicky, 'bout time you made it here.
Hey, Dell!!! Thanks... I'm from the South, and I'm female, so I'm allowed
to be slower than most.
** Thanks for the wonderfully warm welcome! (hmmmmm...allitertion)
Victoria
Sunset: That moment in which the luminous aura of the moon
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>Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
>
>
>tadream mailing list wrote:
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>> Really-From: Jen Phillips
>>
>> Well, last time I checked, I did NOT have a penis. :->
>Yeeeeehahahahahahaha!!!! Well, I'm sure that in some way, this is TD
>related. In fact, I know it is.
>
>D-
You mean something like the pic of Jerome whizzing on a tree stump in
the 70-80 boxset photos?
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Really-From: DAVENTURA
Woo hoo, I get mentioned twice in Vicky's reply. Boy, do I feel special. And
by the way, Francisco knew I was joking. I personally Emailed him to make
sure. Although some here have yet to respond to some of my witty remarks, I
make them for the same reason that Edgar and Company make music, for my own
personal enjoyment. That being said, I hope you enjoy this list as much as I
do....David
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Subject: armin's blue fear
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Really-From: Armin Theissen
>
>Really-From: 'david clarke'
>
>has anyone heard blue fear by armin ,it sounds like a 90,s rubycon ...
>superb.....
>
I'm innocent!
armin
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Subject: RE: Introductions all around :)
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> > Well, last time I checked, I did NOT have a penis. :->
>
You really should get one. Urinating while standing up is one of
the greatest pleasures life has to offer.
Scott
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #243 (YAWN!)
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
Can we please get back to the subject at hand....
MJ
NP: The Park Is Mine
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Subject: re: This Kent Borrefjaell Eskilksen Guy (-->Ash P)
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Hi,
> When I was at Lars' last week, he played all sorts of keen stuff,
>but perhaps best of all was the stuff by the guy who wrote the TD book,
>30 YEARS OF DREAMING: Kent Borrefjaell Eskilksen. Lars played me >much of
his cassette, TIMESCAPE, and it blew me away. I haven't heard >stuff this
good since discovering Brainwork and Andy Pickford!
[...]
-- yes, I was listening to Timescape again last night and I have to agree
with steve; lately when I want to hear something non-TD it is usually
shreeve or kent so he's been getting lots of deck-time. IMO Kent's music is
really on par with mark shreeve's stuff. this is really kick-butt stuff.
Ash, are you reading this? are you looking for new artists for your label
;-)
-- you know the stuff is good if **steven and I agree** and so much so that
we both are trying to play yenta (matchmaker) for kent ;-) I mean, for
chrissakes, steven actually likes desert train! ;-)
here's kent's e-mail for those with a faster mail 'metabolism'
kent-nbe@p...
> Here's the mailing address:
> Kent Borrefjaell Eskildsen
> Klangshoj Studio
> Sandbakkevej 7
> DK 9800 Hjorring
> Denmark
lars
BTW: Kent, do you have any more music??
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Subject: horns of doom
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Really-From: NAdams43
can i talk about horns of doom,what an amazing piece of music this is, i first
heard it about 3 months ago,a 5 min piece off strange attractions.Then i
swapped some discs with t.s.l (whos on this list)and got the full version on
the 13/10/80 cdr,which i cant stop playing (soooooo good), I cant believe its
took me 18 years to hear this piece,i wonder what other gems i have been
missing over the years.
regards
nick
still dreaming after 23 years
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59
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Subject: New (dis)member
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Really-From: Flemming Larsen
I..must....obey....the..voices......in....my head......uuuhhhh. Hup.
They command me....aaarrgh...to......join the......ranks.....of active
members on...the maillinglist. eeehh.
Hi all TaDreamers.
Following the resent flood of new members on this maillinglist, I'm
breaking
the silence of lurkmode to introduce myself.
My name is (right now ;-) ) Flemming Larsen, and I live in Denmark. I'm 32
years old, and I have been a fan of TD, Schulze, Oldfield and pretty
much all other electronic and instrumental music for 18 years now.
Has TD's music changed me ? Of course it has. I'm a multible split
personallity now. And since there are more than one person in me,
I can enjoy their music even more ;-)
I wouldn't exactly call myself a die hard collector. I enjoy the music.
That's
more important to me. I do like to get my grubby hands on rare recordings
as well as live recordings now and then, but I don't go hunting for it.
I would like to join a tape tree some day, as I have equipment for doing
fast copies of high quality. I also hope to be able to do digitally
enhanced
copies to CDR in the near future (ie noise removal, eq, and so on).
My first introduction to Tangerine Dream was thru my older sister. No,
she is not a TD fan. She had bought Pheadra and Rubycon thinking
it was something else. She was into Oldfield at the time. I was into
Jarre.
She heard me playing Equinox one day (I had just bought it), and she
came into my room carrying the two records which would shape the
rest of my life, and empty my pockets ;-)
'Would you like to have these two LPs ?', she said, ignorant of the
implications if would have on my future life.
'I don't know !', I said, 'Let me hear them !'........BAAAMMM
I was blown away. Previously my knowledge of synth was Kraftwerk
and prettyboy Jarre. I had no idea synth could be like that.
Following that I immidiately went out and bought the TD 70'-80' box,
because I was hungry to learn about this incredible group. I immidiately
fell in love with 'Tangram Part 1', and Tangram has remained my
favourite TD album ever since.
Allthough my first introduction to TD was the 74-80 period, I have found
real magic in TD's music no matter what period it has come from.
Today I like most of it, but not all. You can't expect to like
e.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g.
an artist or a group ever makes. Albums I initially discarded as bad, has
grown
on me over time. Initially I didn't like Tyger very much, but for some
strange reason 'Book Of Dreams' changed that a couple of years ago.
Today I actually like it, allthough it's not one of their strongest
albums (IMO).
I suspect the same thing will happen with the 90s albums. I'm not too
partial to Rockoon, TotT, ToB and Goblins Club, but I do like some of the
tracks on each album. I think they will grow on me as time goes by.
Here's my Top 3 TD lists.
Top 3 Studio Albums
Tangram, Underwater Sunlight, Rubycon.
Top 3 Soundtracks
Legend, Thief, Shy People
Top 3 Live Albums
Encore, Poland, StudioMiles
Top 3 Best Of
Tangents, 70'-80' , Dream Roots Collection
Top 3 Bootlegs
Antarktis, Ratikon, Sonambulistic Imagery
Favourite movie title of all times : I Dismember Mama >:-)
Cheers.
Flemming.
np. Schulze/Namlook - The Dark Side Of The Moog 6
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59
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Subject: Re: birthdates
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Really-From: Flemming Larsen
'ashok prema' wrote :
>Marcel wrote:
>
>Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>>>Really-From: Vicky Rudd
>He, I'm 24 too and will be 25 next month (24th May).
>Same date of birth as mine!!! (albeit some 20 years apart)........and we
>both enjoy TD.........Is this a coincidence or what........maybe there IS
>something in astrology after all! (Heh! heh! heh!).
It IS a date of cosmic significance. Two dreamers on one list with the
same birthdate
could be interpreted as a coincidence, BUT 3 ??? :-)
My birthday is 24th May 1966. :-)
Taking into account that Tubular Bells was first released on the
24th May........well actually the 25th, DAMN IT !! Why couldn't he have
released it
on the 24th ? That would have made the date a date of cosmic importance
;-)
Still 3 dreamers on one list with the same birthday ! Anyone else ?
Flemming.
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59
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Subject: Re:This Kent Borrefjaell Eskilksen Guy
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Really-From: Flemming Larsen
Steven Feldman wrote :
>30 YEARS OF DREAMING: Kent Borrefjaell Eskilksen. Lars played me much
>of his cassette, TIMESCAPE, and it blew me away. I haven't heard stuff
>this good since discovering Brainwork and Andy Pickford!
> I was quite startled to learn that Kent's music had been previously
>heard by TD fans on the CD, TANGERINE AMBIENCE VOLUME II. As it turns
>out, he went under two aliases on that album. These two are his:
>
> o (Track 2:) 'Stratosfear' by Ttoken Angle
> o (Track 3:) 'White Eagle' by Kenton Files
Actually there are two guys on those tracks. Kent and a guy called Tony.
Token and Kenton were constructed on basis of the names Kent and Tony.
I know both of them (they are really great guys), and I had the pleasure
of
hearing the demos when they were making Stratosfear, and White Eagle.
That's when I knew the Tangerine Ambience Vol.II couldn't fail.
Timescape is also one of the best independant releases I've ever heard :-)
Flemming.
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Date: Tue Apr 7, 1998 4:55
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Really-From: DAVENTURA
> Flemming Larsen
Welcome to the list. Now quit lurking around and participate. I forgot what
the topic was this week, but then, we never stick to the topic anyway....David
BTW...any left coasters..YES..Universal Amphitheatre..July 24th
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Date: Tue Apr 7, 1998 4:59
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Subject: Re: Introductions all around :)
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> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> > > Well, last time I checked, I did NOT have a penis. :->
> >
> You really should get one. Urinating while standing up is one of
> the greatest pleasures life has to offer.
>
> Scott
That's not all we can do with it while standing up. 'Ahem'...back to TD
Dano
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: Flemming Larsen
>
>
> It IS a date of cosmic significance. Two dreamers on one list with the
> same birthdate
> could be interpreted as a coincidence, BUT 3 ??? :-)
>
> My birthday is 24th May 1966. :-)
Hey, this is turning into an interesting thread? Anyone have a b-day of
6-6-66?
hehe
E-Man
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> I cant believe its took me 18 years to hear this piece,i wonder what
> other gems i have been missing over the years.
Have you picked up a copy of 'Electronic Orgy?'
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Really-From: TWeibre361
In a message dated 98-04-07 10:02:40 EDT, you write:
<< Can we please get back to the subject at hand....
>>
you mean the penis thing? oh no, u said 'at hand'....sorry....
tom w
np: into the mix II (hypnotic)
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: DAVENTURA
>
>
> BTW...any left coasters..YES..Universal Amphitheatre..July 24th
I'd love to go. If they bring back Rick, that is. I hear the new album
isn't that hot, which isn't good, considering *Talk* was such a limpy. Too
bad I didn't make the Obispo shows with the *shit* line-up!
E-Man
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> Really-From: Michael Wenzler
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Yolanda...we got another stiff in the john...
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Date: Tue Apr 7, 1998 6:24
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Really-From: Colin Knowles
> Really-From: Flemming Larsen
>
> 'ashok prema' wrote :
>
> >Marcel wrote:
> >
> >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> >>>Really-From: Vicky Rudd
>
> >He, I'm 24 too and will be 25 next month (24th May).
>
> >Same date of birth as mine!!! (albeit some 20 years apart)........and we
> >both enjoy TD.........Is this a coincidence or what........maybe there IS
> >something in astrology after all! (Heh! heh! heh!).
>
> It IS a date of cosmic significance. Two dreamers on one list with the
> same birthdate
> could be interpreted as a coincidence, BUT 3 ??? :-)
>
> My birthday is 24th May 1966. :-)
>
> Taking into account that Tubular Bells was first released on the
> 24th May........well actually the 25th, DAMN IT !! Why couldn't he have
> released it
> on the 24th ? That would have made the date a date of cosmic importance
> ;-)
>
> Still 3 dreamers on one list with the same birthday ! Anyone else ?
>
> Flemming.
I think you'll find at least 3 people on this list with a birthday on , or near
23rd April (mine included!)
Colin.
n.p. Nothing--'Cause I'm going home!
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Date: Tue Apr 7, 1998 12:11
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Subject: Re: Introductions Merry-go-round
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 06:18 PM 4/6/98 EDT, SF wrote:
> You know, I think the addition of two new female subscribers has
>gone far in veering this list into an 'Introduction' service in the vein
>of -- dare I say it? -- computer dating -- what with all the introducing
>of one another and the astrological sign comparisons and all.
Steven, you never cease to amaze me. Computer dating on a very
international list?? Why are new people introducing themselves such
a....what....threat to this list? Seems that the sign comparison was
between two male members and totally harmless to all. (BTW-I'm a Libra).
This ain't an all-male club.
IMVHO--introduce yourselves! It's nice to get a feel for who we all are!
Mike
(who dropped to the far side of 50, got into TD in the 70's, likes the
older stuff somewhat better but have been impressed with Oasis/DM-I, lives
in the midwest)
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
E-man sez:
>Hey, this is turning into an interesting thread? Anyone have a b-day of
>6-6-66?
How about 11-11-66 ? ;-)
Jens-man
np: Dead can Dance: Carneval
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Subject: The Tape Tree
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Really-From: dan.cor@v...
Hi all,
More introductions all round, another newbie checking in!
I am very found of live TD, so please add me to the tape tree, I live in
London and can contribute some tapes and 'other' material ;-) I have
already pestered Phil about some copies! Whilst you are at it you could
explain to me (off list if this is a very stupid question) how the tree
works.
Thanks,
Daniel
(dan.cor@v...)
np me-rad
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Really-From: TWeibre361
In a message dated 98-04-07 15:04:57 EDT, you write:
<< Jens-man
np: Dead can Dance: Carneval
>>
whats this one? it rings a bell but i cant place it....
tom w
np: sonar 97
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I had to bust out my copy of EO and check it out again. Sounds kinda like
something from Exit, same bass line. Or was that Thief? Or are they all
similar? Eighteen years? Well, let's see, I saw the '86 show, got the
jacket. Then traded the jacket in '98, and got EO, then heard this. 12 years.
It is a cool version, but a gem? Hmm...OK whatever, I'm easy...David
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Fred writes:
> THE MAIL MUST BE SENT TO MAJORDOMO AND NOT ON THE LIST. IS THIS SO
DIFFICULT
> TO UNDERSTAND?? IT'S WRITTEN ON (quite) EVERY MAIL YOU RECEIVE, ISN'T IT?
>
Hey Fred...Can't you see? Look Up. COMPLAINING HERE IS USELESS...Thanks for
the laugh....David
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OK, I'll bite. March 12, 1962. Pisces. Water sign. Left handed. All other
information is in a Top Secret file, but Steve's probably read it....David
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Could someone please tell me where I can find the archives of this
list???????
Thanks,
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In a message dated 98-04-07 02:29:44 EDT, you write:
<<
I am selling several promo albums of mine with nothing but 70 minutes of
a non-changing droning sequence. Be warned...the sequence does not
change at all. One sequence, one pattern, 70 minutes through the whole
CD. Email me if you want one...seriously hehehe.
>>
Naw, that's ok; I already have Ponts de Ce. Thanks anyway. 8-) Dell
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In a message dated 98-04-07 10:02:40 EDT, you write:
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Can we please get back to the subject at hand....
>>
Ummm, what was the subject at hand; anybody remember? Dell
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Here is some information on a new double CD sampler with TD:
VA (Various Artists) - Rock Progression: A Collection of Rock Classics
UK Snapper Music Recall 2CD SMD CD 114, 1998
Lot's of great progressive early rock bands here:
Nazareth, Magnum, Curved Air, Jefferson Starship, Marillion, Black Sabbath,
Colloseum II, Family, Nice, Uriah Heep, Roger Chapman, ELP (Tarkus), TD's
Genesis 5:58 (with Froese, Schulze, Schnitzler), Gary Moore, Colloseum, Yes!
Vic
P.S. If you're going to talk about sex (and related 'items') on this list...
Isn't Spring (now) the best time to DO IT :-) At least that's what I was
brought up to think ;-) But then again, I may be living in the Southern
Hemisphere where this doesn't apply at the moment.
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Here is some information on a new sampler with TD:
VA (Various Artists) - Spirit of the Age
UK Castle Communications RENCD 118, 1997
Lot's of great progressive early rock bands here:
Yes, ELP, Curved Air, The Nice, Hawkwind (Hence the title I presume), Pink
Fairies, Atomic Rooster, Brinsley Schwartz, Ten Years After, Jethro Tull,
Free, T-Rex, Barclay James Harvest, Spooky Tooth, Can, and to conclude with
TD's Zeit (yes, spelled correctly this time) clocking in at only 3:34!
Vic
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>I had to bust out my copy of EO and check it out again. Sounds kinda like
>something from Exit, same bass line. Or was that Thief? Or are they all
>similar?
This bassline appeared on the 4th segment of the Poland concert.
Morgan
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>have you picked up a copy of electronic orgy?
The answer is no but i will do when i get round to it, i suppose im a bit put
off by short dream tracks,i like the long pieces like their older stuff, a
track only just seems as though its got going by the 5 min mark and then its
faded out seems wrong to me somehow, that doesnt mean to say short tracks
dont hit the mark ie harold grosskopf synthesist is a great album, its just
that i prefer longer tracks like klaus schulze sense.and dreams ricochet etc.
by the way ive been meaning to ask who is from where.Im from lincoln in
england any other brits on this list?
regards
nick
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>Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>>E-man sez:
>>Hey, this is turning into an interesting thread? Anyone have a b-day of
>>6-6-66?
>
>
>How about 11-11-66 ? ;-)
Hey, we're both Scorpios! Let's form a group called The Scorpions! Wot? Is
that so? The name's already been taken? AAAAARRRRGGHHHHHHHH
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Really-From: 'ashok prema'
I thought someone would have already given the stats about birthdates -
when I was at college in a class of some 35 students, the lecturer pointed
out that statistically, in a class of that size it was highly probable that
2 people would share the same nirthd ate - so in a list of 400 --
well....its more than to be expected....any statisticians out there can give
us the figures??
Re: This Kent guy, (Lars!).......I am willing to listen to all tapes sent to
me for possible release.......again, I have to point out that this market is
so small - its really difficult to break even on new names - no
romises - but hey!.......let me have a listen heh?
PS Andy Pickfords new album is well on the way to production now!!
Ash
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> Really-From: 'ashok prema'
>
> I thought someone would have already given the stats about birthdates -
> when I was at college in a class of some 35 students, the lecturer pointed
> out that statistically, in a class of that size it was highly probable that
> 2 people would share the same nirthd ate - so in a list of 400 --
> well....its more than to be expected....any statisticians out there can give
> us the figures??
>
Yes I know off this as well..just didn't want to mention it. I was looking to
see
what
bizare connections people were willing to make! :-))
Colin
n.p. Subterranea--IQ
p.s. Is it me or are most of the mailers to this list American? Is this a random
thing or is
it a trend of TD fans in general?
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Subject: Re: Please stop
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>Hey Fred...Can't you see? Look Up. COMPLAINING HERE IS USELESS...Thanks
>for the laugh....David
HAHAHAHAHA, I didn't understand it that way!! HAHAHAHA!!
Yes, please STOP!
Fred
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I have the following disc for sale if anyone is interested.
Tangerine Dream 70/90 (#60 of 400).
Contact me OFF LIST if interested.
Matt
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>Here is some information on a new sampler with TD:
>
>VA (Various Artists) - Spirit of the Age
>UK Castle Communications RENCD 118, 1997
>
>Lot's of great progressive early rock bands here:
>
>Yes, ELP, Curved Air, The Nice, Hawkwind (Hence the title I presume), Pink
>Fairies, Atomic Rooster, Brinsley Schwartz, Ten Years After, Jethro Tull,
>Free, T-Rex, Barclay James Harvest, Spooky Tooth, Can, and to conclude with
>TD's Zeit (yes, spelled correctly this time) clocking in at only 3:34!
>
>VA (Various Artists) - Rock Progression: A Collection of Rock Classics
>UK Snapper Music Recall 2CD SMD CD 114, 1998
>
>Lot's of great progressive early rock bands here:
>
>Nazareth, Magnum, Curved Air, Jefferson Starship, Marillion, Black Sabbath,
>Colloseum II, Family, Nice, Uriah Heep, Roger Chapman, ELP (Tarkus), TD's
>Genesis 5:58 (with Froese, Schulze, Schnitzler), Gary Moore, Colloseum, Yes!
Well worth drooling over, even without TD ...
Steve.
January 7, 1953. Male. Capricorn (domestic version). Left handed too.
6 foot 3 inches. 200 lb. Grey hair. Married. No children. Male (I've
said that already, haven't I?)
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Subject: Lisa Gerrard: Since so few people are on topic
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Does anyone know anything about a new Lisa Gerrard album?
For the uninitiated (Dead Can Dance vocalist)
MJ
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Subject: NEW TD RELEASES
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Since everyone with the info seems to be keeping most of it secret for the
time being, why don't we have some fun speculating about what might be
released in this upcoming block of 25-36 CDs that Jerome mentioned on
Electrobeats?
MJ
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Subject: More Birthdates/Persistence of Vision/EO2?
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Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank'
While we're on the subject of birthdays, you can put me down as one of the
increasing number of members whose B-day is April 23!
Can anybody inform me as to how to get POV on CDR. Please let me know off
list.
Also, there was a posting a while back about contents for Electronic Orgy 2.
Anything ever come of this?
Finally, a belated welcome to our new members.
Frank
n.p.-TD at the Palais Des Sports, Paris, France 2/2/81
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
I just got the latest Progression magazine, and there's quite a lot of
stuff to interest the TD fan. First, there was a catalog from a company
called Resurgence. They have stuff from lots of rare prog bands, at rare
prices, but they also have lots of TD. They have the Castle reissues,
plus many hard to find ST's, such as: Thief, Flashpoint, Sorceror,
Legend, Risky Business, Near Dark, Shy People, Wavelength, CMIYC & TPIM.
Prices vary from $15 to $25. In the magazine proper, there's all this of
interest:
-An ad for Synergy/Larry Fast releases remastered
-An ad for the CD release of Macula Transfer
-An ad for the new Ashra release, from Nijmegen live in '97
-Positive review for new Amon Duul II release
-Positive review for new Popol Vuh release
-Neutral reviews of two new Steve Joliffe releases
-Positive review of new Kitaro release
-Not so positive review of Oasis (he suggested Tournado as a better
recent TD release)
-An ad for Oasis & Miramar's 'Collection 3' compilation
Plus all the usual prog rock info, including an article about Spock's
Beard.
Scott E. Plumer
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Subject: horns base line
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Really-From: NAdams43
actually the horns of doom base line is from thief, diamond diary and scrap
yard both have this base line, thief was recorded about the same time as the
brussels concert on OCT 13 1980 which horns of doom came from originally.
btw as weve been discussing the ladies on this list,didnt i read somwhere
that outland was a girl.
regards nick.
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Oh yeah, if you want more details on any of these, let me know.
Scott E. Plumer
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On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: feldon@p...
>
> >Really-From: DAVENTURA
> >
> >
> >I had to bust out my copy of EO and check it out again. Sounds kinda like
> >something from Exit, same bass line. Or was that Thief? Or are they all
> >similar?
>
> This bassline appeared on the 4th segment of the Poland concert.
>
> Morgan
> feldon@p...
I wouldn't be so certain of that. I have listened to both
extensively...to my ears, they are similar, but certainly not identical.
Gabe
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>Since everyone with the info seems to be keeping most of it
secret for the
>time being, why don't we have some fun speculating about what
might be
>released in this upcoming block of 25-36 CDs that Jerome
mentioned on
>Electrobeats?
Zeit outtakes?
Scott
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tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank'
>
(...)
>
> Also, there was a posting a while back about contents for Electronic Orgy 2.
> Anything ever come of this?
These were wishes, what we'd hope to see if an Electronic Orgy 2 was to
come out. Since we don't know if whoever was behind E.O. reads this
list, there is no way to make sure that our dreams would be heard,
let alone acted upon...
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957
online since early 1993, TD fan since 1977
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Subject: peragmon faq under construction
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dreamers
going through all the material related to the 1.31.80 berlin pergamon
concert, I'm realizing that there is a lot of fraudelent stuff out there
(including tapes)... since the list faq is insufficient, I'm going to sit
down and do an faq on quichotte/pergamon/staatsgrenze west/white
clothes/beyond the wall/ the tsl cdrs/tangram/live tapes/etc etc. and am
wondering if anyone out there has any contributions/info/old archived posts
on this material that they could send me off-list? I know the subject has
come up but it has never been comprehensively treated...
thanks in advance
lars
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does anyone have a white label promo copy of tangram; if so, is it divided
into separate sections like previous WL promos? does anyone want to
trade/sell a copy? or does anyone want to trade me a tape of it? if so,
please e-mail me off list... at the very least, please email me the time
divisions! thanks
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In a message dated 98-04-08 09:50:30 EDT, you write:
<< Does anyone know anything about a new Lisa Gerrard album?
For the uninitiated (Dead Can Dance vocalist)
>>
its due anyday now...check either her own website, or www.4ad.com...its a
collab with pieter bourke...
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I was lucky enough to pick up a copy of Ages from a local store last week. Did
I see some people slating this release some months ago? Whilst I can see the
annoyance at the whole double album not being re-released, I cannot see that
there is any fault with the music on this album.
I think this is a fascinating album - a much more melodic and rocky structure
to the previous efforts (and subsequent ones too, I suppose), and which sounds
surprisingly close to Cyclone in places. Surprising, that is, because I thought
Cyclone was rubbished by Ed because of Steve Jolliffe's influence. However, I
see many aspects of that TD album (minus the vocals, of course), in this solo
piece. Does Edgar have such dislike for this one also?
When does Macula Transfer come from? How does it compare with Ages and the
other Froese albums around it?
BTW, hello girls (Vicky, et al.)
Yes, Nick, there are many other Brits here, including myself.
IMO, there are more Americans on this list than Brits or Europeans mainly
because (a) there are more Americans than Brits and (b) there are more
Americans online than Brits. I don't know what the fan-base in general is, as
far as world-wide distribution is concerned, but I think that Americans are
relative new-comers to the music of TD, whereas the Brits and, of course even
more so, the Germans have been aware of them for far longer.
BTW(again), I'm a Scorpio too, birthdate of 22-11-67. I'm amazed that with a
class of 35 there's a high probability of finding someone with the same
birthday. Isn't the chance 1 in 10 (roughly)? Given that there are 365/6 days
in a year, I _am_ a little surprised at the number of coincidental birthdays on
the list. I did do Stats at college, but didn't do birthdays.
NP : Ages - Nights of Automatic Women (a Cyclone off-cut if ever I heard one).
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> Does anyone know anything about a new Lisa Gerrard album?
>
> For the uninitiated (Dead Can Dance vocalist)
Yup, it's called 'Duality', and it is indeed a collaboration with Pieter
Bourke (kingpin of a DCD sound-alike band called Eden). It should be
out on the 14th. There was a track from it on the recent 4AD sampler
'Anakin', and from the sound of things it will be more like late-80s DCD
albums like Aion and The Serpent's Egg than, say, Spiritchaser.
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> why don't we have some fun speculating about what might be released in
> this upcoming block of 25-36 CDs that Jerome mentioned on Electrobeats?
From what I've heard, those 25 disks will include
- The Keep, The Transiberian Railway thing, and probably includes DM2 and
Ambient Monkeys too
- reissues of the Private Music albums
- some concert recordings
- some previously-unreleased studio material
- The TD Christmas Album
- A TD album of Beatles cover versions.
Okay, I'm kidding about a couple of those.
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> Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
> does anyone have a white label promo copy of tangram; if so, is it divided
> into separate sections like previous WL promos? does anyone want to
> trade/sell a copy? or does anyone want to trade me a tape of it? if so,
> please e-mail me off list... at the very least, please email me the time
> divisions!
I have the Japanese WLP, I wonder if it has the divisions (I'll check
tonite and let you know if it does). Another bit of info for the music
completist of a particular record. The US WLP copies of Phaedra,
Rubycon, and Encore have these time divisions too, so I guess you could
call it another 'type' of release of this music. Anyone heard of any
others like this?
Vic
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> p.s. Is it me or are most of the mailers to this list American? Is this a
> random thing or is it a trend of TD fans in general?
I have to speak up for the Canadians here (Gabe, Vincent, Kevin, Mike, and
others)! We walk among you too. While I'm sure that Americans *do*
dominate this list in absolute numbers, I suspect that the *perception*
that they dominate it derives from the fact that you're all a bunch of
loudmouths! ;-)
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> Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
>
>
> BTW(again), I'm a Scorpio too, birthdate of 22-11-67. I'm amazed that
with a
Interesting. Mine is 21-11-70 (since I know you put day/month/year; we
usually put month/day/year, e.g., 11-21-70).
> NP : Ages - Nights of Automatic Women (a Cyclone off-cut if ever I heard
one).
I always liked 'Pizarro & Atahualpa' (is that spelled correctly) best.
*Sigh* the days back when Ed would actually employ an acoustic guitar...
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>
> dreamers
> going through all the material related to the 1.31.80 berlin pergamon
> concert, I'm realizing that there is a lot of fraudelent stuff out there
> (including tapes)... since the list faq is insufficient, I'm going to sit
> down and do an faq on quichotte/pergamon/staatsgrenze west/white
> clothes/beyond the wall/ the tsl cdrs/tangram/live tapes/etc etc. and am
> wondering if anyone out there has any contributions/info/old archived posts
> on this material that they could send me off-list? I know the subject has
> come up but it has never been comprehensively treated...
> thanks in advance
> lars
Actually Goozer treated this subject pretty comprehensively in one of his FAQ's
and cleared my questions about this - here's the Pergamon FAQ from one of
Goozer's messages:
Florin.
----------------------------------
_PERGAMON_ (A.K.A. _QUICHOTTE_)- While there is basically no difference
between the two shows performed that day (at least as far as I have been
able to determine among all my various fantapes/LP's/CD's of the shows),
they remain unique among the shows from '80. This show was performed
excclusively for the E. Berlin audience (and, of course, whoever was
listening on the radio), despite what some have said about hearing it in
'80, '81 or wherever. The first set (Evening TT: 37:27) opens with
white/pink noise generators and sfx (4:30), and then segues into what was
essentially an edited preview of _Tangram_ (11:20), which had yet to be
released, and then moves into a long sequencer-oriented piece (21:37),
similar to (but _not_ the same as) the second half of the second set
('Quichotte pt.2'). The afternoon version of this set was originally issued
as _Staatsgrenze West_, with part of the wonderful encore track to tease
us.
The second set provided the raw material for _Quichotte_/_Pergamon_. Part
of the contract for TD's performance in E. Berlin was to have it broadcast
by State-run Radio and TV stations, with the stipulations that the album
release be different from the broadcast, and not available on a western
label for 6 years. So what you hear on _Quichotte_ is not really the set as
performed at all; Pt. 1 is essentially the same, with the odd difference
here and there. The 'Maelstrom' link segment between the two parts is
exactly the same. Pt. 2, however, is a studio creation based on ideas of
the last halves of Set 1 and Set 2, with the basic sequencer stucture and
guitar solo being entirely a studio creation. For the re-release as
_Pergamon_, the band simply added a (very) little more to the end of Pt. 2.
There is also a 12 min. encore that is the highlight of the whole show,
IMVHO. Unfortunately, it hasn't appeared on any bootleg in its full
length...yet. ; )
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> I always liked 'Pizarro & Atahualpa' (is that spelled correctly) best.
> *Sigh* the days back when Ed would actually employ an acoustic guitar...
>
> E-Man
I seem to recall acoustic guitars being used on Rockoon... ;-)
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Hey guys... I just got back from a short break in Paris, and whilst
I was there, I swear I saw Edgar moonlighting as a cab driver.
All the nordic facial hair was there, the accent was German and
not French, and he even wore ageing rocker's leather pants.
Anyone know if Ed's supposedly on vacation or something at the
moment? :-)
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> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
> > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
> >
> >
> > BTW(again), I'm a Scorpio too, birthdate of 22-11-67. I'm amazed that
> with a
>
> Interesting. Mine is 21-11-70 (since I know you put day/month/year; we
> usually put month/day/year, e.g., 11-21-70).
>
Some people are just plain awkward! :-)
Colin
n.p. (Season) Beyond the Storm CD2 (the boring one!)---Need you ask?
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Hi gang,
I was in my local Borders yesterday, and saw some albums rereleased by
Synergy. Having never heard any tunes by them I wondered what you guys think.
Are they TD -ish? Worth getting? Which titles? Also on the TD list of twenty
five albums, does this mean they are finally gonna release those Soundtrack
alums like Red Heat and the like? Maybe we could get an official Streethawk as
well. And with a Kewl Rex Smith cover....one can only hope.
On another note, while I was out I found a used laserdisc of FLASHPOINT
for only $15.00, the cover has slight wear , but the disc is fine. E mail me
privately if you are interested in trade or sale. Thanks!
Chris
NP- Mainiac Cop-OS ( for the Lustig fan in all of us!)
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> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
> > p.s. Is it me or are most of the mailers to this list American? Is this a
> > random thing or is it a trend of TD fans in general?
>
> I have to speak up for the Canadians here (Gabe, Vincent, Kevin, Mike, and
> others)! We walk among you too. While I'm sure that Americans *do*
> dominate this list in absolute numbers, I suspect that the *perception*
> that they dominate it derives from the fact that you're all a bunch of
> loudmouths! ;-)
>
> SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
Err..yeh! I'd forgotten about that! (he..he)
Colin
p.s. So..Canadians are shy and retiring then are they? ;-)
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Subject: My thought on DCD.NOTD
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I always thought DCD were a wanna be Door's cover band. JMHO :)
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> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
> > I always liked 'Pizarro & Atahualpa' (is that spelled correctly) best.
> > *Sigh* the days back when Ed would actually employ an acoustic
guitar...
> >
> > E-Man
>
>
> I seem to recall acoustic guitars being used on Rockoon... ;-)
The prob' with acoustic guitar being used by TDs in the 90s is that it
dooesn't *sound* like an acoustic guitar with the production. It sounds
like an electric played clean, through an amp. I like an acoustic guitar
which sounds rustic and meaty, not tinny.
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> Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
>
> Hey guys... I just got back from a short break in Paris, and whilst
> I was there, I swear I saw Edgar moonlighting as a cab driver.
>
> All the nordic facial hair was there, the accent was German and
> not French, and he even wore ageing rocker's leather pants.
>
> Anyone know if Ed's supposedly on vacation or something at the
> moment? :-)
No wonder they cancelled the North American tour!!!!!!! Ed's puttin' away
for some more gear!!!!!
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> I was in my local Borders yesterday, and saw some albums
rereleased by Synergy. Having >never heard any tunes by them I wondered
what you guys think. Are they TD -ish? Worth >getting? Which titles?
Also on the TD list of twenty five albums, does this mean they are
finally
I have a clear vinyl version of Chords. It's not TD-ish, but
more like Jarre in that he uses more conventional songs structures, but
with electronic instruments. Worth getting? I just have Chords, which is
nice, but. . . I dunno. His web site might have samples:
http://www.synergy-emusic.com.
Scott
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> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
>
>
> > I always liked 'Pizarro & Atahualpa' (is that spelled correctly) best.
> > *Sigh* the days back when Ed would actually employ an acoustic guitar...
> >
> > E-Man
>
>
> I seem to recall acoustic guitars being used on Rockoon... ;-)
>
>
> SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
Let's not forget about the overdubs on the Tangents version of
'Stratosfear', and the concluding section of 'Santa Elena Marisal' from
_BtS_....
Gabe
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>
>
> I have to speak up for the Canadians here (Gabe, Vincent, Kevin, Mike, and
> others)! We walk among you too. While I'm sure that Americans *do*
> dominate this list in absolute numbers, I suspect that the *perception*
> that they dominate it derives from the fact that you're all a bunch of
> loudmouths! ;-)
>
>
> SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
That's just because I haven't had time to say nearly as much as I want!
Give me half a chance, and I will give you one of the best impressions of
an American you've ever seen ;)
Gabe
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>Really-From: 'Florine Epure'
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>>
>> dreamers
>> going through all the material related to the 1.31.80 berlin pergamon
>> concert, I'm realizing that there is a lot of fraudelent stuff out there
>> (including tapes)... since the list faq is insufficient, I'm going to sit
>> down and do an faq on quichotte/pergamon/staatsgrenze west/white
>> clothes/beyond the wall/ the tsl cdrs/tangram/live tapes/etc etc. and am
>> wondering if anyone out there has any contributions/info/old archived posts
>> on this material that they could send me off-list? I know the subject has
>> come up but it has never been comprehensively treated...
>> thanks in advance
>> lars
>
>Actually Goozer treated this subject pretty comprehensively in one of his
FAQ's
>and cleared my questions about this - here's the Pergamon FAQ from one of
>Goozer's messages:
>
>Florin.
>
>----------------------------------
>
>_PERGAMON_ (A.K.A. _QUICHOTTE_)- While there is basically no difference
>between the two shows performed that day (at least as far as I have been
>able to determine among all my various fantapes/LP's/CD's of the shows),
>they remain unique among the shows from '80. This show was performed
>excclusively for the E. Berlin audience (and, of course, whoever was
>listening on the radio), despite what some have said about hearing it in
>'80, '81 or wherever. The first set (Evening TT: 37:27) opens with
>white/pink noise generators and sfx (4:30), and then segues into what was
>essentially an edited preview of _Tangram_ (11:20), which had yet to be
>released, and then moves into a long sequencer-oriented piece (21:37),
>similar to (but _not_ the same as) the second half of the second set
>('Quichotte pt.2'). The afternoon version of this set was originally issued
>as _Staatsgrenze West_, with part of the wonderful encore track to tease
>us.
>
>The second set provided the raw material for _Quichotte_/_Pergamon_. Part
>of the contract for TD's performance in E. Berlin was to have it broadcast
>by State-run Radio and TV stations, with the stipulations that the album
>release be different from the broadcast, and not available on a western
>label for 6 years. So what you hear on _Quichotte_ is not really the set as
>performed at all; Pt. 1 is essentially the same, with the odd difference
>here and there. The 'Maelstrom' link segment between the two parts is
>exactly the same. Pt. 2, however, is a studio creation based on ideas of
>the last halves of Set 1 and Set 2, with the basic sequencer stucture and
>guitar solo being entirely a studio creation. For the re-release as
>_Pergamon_, the band simply added a (very) little more to the end of Pt. 2.
>
>There is also a 12 min. encore that is the highlight of the whole show,
>IMVHO. Unfortunately, it hasn't appeared on any bootleg in its full
>length...yet. ; )
An uncut, unedited MP3 sound file of this 13:52 encore does exist. Wow,
it's something else!
Morgan
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Synergy is actually one guy, Larry Fast, who has worked with a number of
artists, Peter Gabriel being one of them. The music and arrangements are
very complex and not like Tangerine Dream. Try Sequencer first - there's
an arrangement of Classical Gas that will tear apart a house or small
office complex if played at the correct volume. If you like that one,
I'd move on to Games and then get Cords.
> Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
>
>
> Hi gang,
> I was in my local Borders yesterday, and saw some albums
> rereleased by Synergy. Having never heard any tunes by them I wondered
> what you guys think. Are they TD -ish? Worth getting? Which titles?
> Also on the TD list of twenty five albums, does this mean they are
> finally gonna release those Soundtrack alums like Red Heat and the
> like? Maybe we could get an official Streethawk as well. And with a
> Kewl Rex Smith cover....one can only hope.
> On another note, while I was out I found a used laserdisc of
> FLASHPOINT for only $15.00, the cover has slight wear , but the disc
> is fine. E mail me privately if you are interested in trade or sale.
> Thanks!
> Chris
> NP- Mainiac Cop-OS ( for the Lustig fan in all of us!)
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Subject: Re: Ages
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tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
>
(...)
>
> BTW(again), I'm a Scorpio too, birthdate of 22-11-67. I'm amazed that with a
> class of 35 there's a high probability of finding someone with the same
> birthday. Isn't the chance 1 in 10 (roughly)? Given that there are 365/6 days
> in a year, I _am_ a little surprised at the number of coincidental birthdays
on
> the list. I did do Stats at college, but didn't do birthdays.
>
Actually, the high probability hinted above is to find 2 people
out of 35 that have the same birthdate, *not* to have one in 35
that actually matches a *given* date. In essence, you have 35
matching opportunity, i.e. take person #1, and you have 34 chances
to match that bristdate. Then, move on to person #2, and check the
date against the 33 other (you've aleardy attempted a match with #1),
and so on. The total of all those probabilities is the one you are
after... Thus, basically, you nearly have 17 times 1 chance out of 10.
(where 17 is the average of the sum of 34+33+32+...+2+1), but even the
'1 out of 10' changes as you eliminate already checked dates.
C.B.V.Goudreault
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At 10:11 PM 4/7/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Yes, ELP, Curved Air, The Nice, Hawkwind (Hence the title I presume), Pink
>Fairies, Atomic Rooster, Brinsley Schwartz, Ten Years After, Jethro Tull,
>Free, T-Rex, Barclay James Harvest, Spooky Tooth, Can, and to conclude with
>TD's Zeit (yes, spelled correctly this time) clocking in at only 3:34!
Gads! I've got most of this on vinyl!
Mike
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At 08:42 AM 4/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Since everyone with the info seems to be keeping most of it secret for the
>time being, why don't we have some fun speculating about what might be
>released in this upcoming block of 25-36 CDs that Jerome mentioned on
>Electrobeats?
Rockoon, Optical, Tyrany.....nothin' but the GOOD stuff!;-)
Mike
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At 18:26 199804.08 +0100, tadream mailing list wrote:
>Really-From: Colin Knowles
>> Interesting. Mine is 21-11-70 (since I know you put day/month/year; we
>> usually put month/day/year, e.g., 11-21-70).
>>
>
>Some people are just plain awkward! :-)
I like being awkward.
Mine is 6408.13
Pete
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'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the
road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
-- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides
on which instruments to take on the road.
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Subject: Re: Edgar - Moonlighting again
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>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>> Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>> Anyone know if Ed's supposedly on vacation or something at the
>> moment? :-)
>
>No wonder they cancelled the North American tour!!!!!!! Ed's puttin' away
>for some more gear!!!!!
not surprising. See my sig.quote for the reason why
Pete
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'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the
road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
-- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides
on which instruments to take on the road.
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Date: Wed Apr 8, 1998 7:13
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Subject: Re: Ages
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> Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
>
>
> I was lucky enough to pick up a copy of Ages from a local store last week. Did
> I see some people slating this release some months ago? Whilst I can see the
> annoyance at the whole double album not being re-released, I cannot see that
> there is any fault with the music on this album.
Guess you never read my D:Ages review some months ago. ;)
> I think this is a fascinating album - a much more melodic and rocky structure
I came to the completely opposite conclusion--about the melodic part, anyway.
This has to be Edgar's most mindlessly minimalistic album.
> to the previous efforts (and subsequent ones too, I suppose), and which sounds
> surprisingly close to Cyclone in places. Surprising, that is, because I
thought
> Cyclone was rubbished by Ed because of Steve Jolliffe's influence. However, I
> see many aspects of that TD album (minus the vocals, of course), in this solo
> piece. Does Edgar have such dislike for this one also?
He didn't speak so negatively of it in the interview Mark Prendergast
gave him for the BtS notes, but, he might be less proud of it than some
of his other releases. If I were in Edgar's shoes, I'd certainly be more
proud of _Stuntman_ than of _Ages_. Certainly _Stuntman_ has better
quality of production and composition than _Ages_, IMO.
> When does Macula Transfer come from? How does it compare with Ages and the
> other Froese albums around it?
Macula...is different. It sort of picks up where _Epsilon_ left off, but
is darker, more psychedelic, with a a few hints of _Force Majeure_ and
hardly anything that sounds like _Stratosfear_. It has another great
Mellotron piece in 'qantas 611', which, IMO, is highly evocative of the
land of Mordor from Tolkien's Lord of the Rings (at least, i thought so
when I got _MT_ the same summer I was determined to finish LOTR once and
for all.)
> NP : Ages - Nights of Automatic Women (a Cyclone off-cut if ever I heard one).
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> > Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
> >
> >
> > Hey guys... I just got back from a short break in Paris, and whilst
> > I was there, I swear I saw Edgar moonlighting as a cab driver.
> >
> > All the nordic facial hair was there, the accent was German and
> > not French, and he even wore ageing rocker's leather pants.
> >
> > Anyone know if Ed's supposedly on vacation or something at the
> > moment? :-)
>
> No wonder they cancelled the North American tour!!!!!!! Ed's puttin' away
> for some more gear!!!!!
>
> E-Man
Edgar has also been seen moonlighting as a 7-eleven clerk in Palm
Springs, CA. Eli & I both witnessed this...but we were too scared to ask
for an autograph. ;-)
Dano
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>At 08:42 AM 4/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>Since everyone with the info seems to be keeping most of it secret for the
>>time being, why don't we have some fun speculating about what might be
>>released in this upcoming block of 25-36 CDs that Jerome mentioned on
>>Electrobeats?)
Dearest sonny Jerome in a grade school as a choirboy?
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>Edgar has also been seen moonlighting as a 7-eleven clerk in
Palm
>Springs, CA. Eli & I both witnessed this...but we were too
scared to ask
>for an autograph. ;-)
I saw Ed at a Burger King in Kalamazoo. Oh, wait, that was
Elvis.
Scott
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>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
>> Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
>>
>> I think this is a fascinating album - a much more melodic and rocky
structure
>
>I came to the completely opposite conclusion--about the melodic part,
anyway.
>This has to be Edgar's most mindlessly minimalistic album.
IMO, Ages is truly his best solo-album. I find Stuntman very thin sounding.
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> I always thought DCD were a wanna be Door's cover band. JMHO :)
Ha ha....well, not when Lisa sings!
But seriously, the band that I would attach the 'Doors Wannabe' label to
is The Tea Party.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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If anyone is interested in a Stuntman midi file I just created,
please mail me off list. If I sent you Tangram, I'll send you
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Cheers,
Lawry
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At 12:41 PM 4/8/98 -0400, some Kanuck;-) wrote:
I suspect that the *perception*
>that they dominate it derives from the fact that you're all a bunch of
>loudmouths! ;-)
That's 'DOMINATING loudmouths', thank you!
Mike
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> p.s. So..Canadians are shy and retiring then are they? ;-)
Yeah, that's it! One need only look at William Shatner, Pamela Anderson
and Jim Carey to prove this..... :-)
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Could you send me tangram and the stuntman midi file,
Thanks!!!!
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> Cheers,
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> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
>
> >Really-From: Gabe Yedid
> >
> >> Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
> >>
> >> I think this is a fascinating album - a much more melodic and rocky
> structure
>
> >
> >I came to the completely opposite conclusion--about the melodic part,
> anyway.
> >This has to be Edgar's most mindlessly minimalistic album.
>
> IMO, Ages is truly his best solo-album. I find Stuntman very thin sounding.
Looks like we're never going to agree on too much, eh Marcel?
> Marcel
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> I was in my local Borders yesterday, and saw some albums rereleased by
> Synergy. Having never heard any tunes by them I wondered what you guys
> think. Are they TD -ish?
I first heard Synergy on the soundtrack to 'Cosmos' (specifically, the
track 'Legacy'). I guess that TD might have sounded like this if they'd
been going through their 'short n' poppy Destination Berlinesque' phase
back in 1976. The version of Legacy on Cosmos was an edit, and I had
someone lend me the album 'Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra',
from which it was drawn. It's been well over a decade since I last heard
it, but I can remember that it reminded me of 1970-era TV newscast theme
music. Which is to say that by 1986 it sounded quite dated to me...maybe
I'd like it today!
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
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> Really-From: Colin Knowles
> p.s. Is it me or are most of the mailers to this list American? Is this a
random
> thing or is
> it a trend of TD fans in general?
Actually, the listmembers are scattered throughout the globe, we're
just turning them INTO Americans. First we get you hooked on Coke,
then you start eating at McDonald's, wearing Levi's, watching
MTV, using words like 'Homey' and 'Dude' and interjecting expletives
with a decidedly Brooklyn accent into everyday conversation. Then
comes the used record store hunting for all the albums by bands with
American names like Kansas or Chicago or Texas (who are actually from
Scotland but have already been converted). Eventually you ask
yourself the question 'What would Bill Clinton/Newt Gingrich
(depending on your political preference) do in this situation?'
whenever you need to make a decision. By then, we have you.
But look at the benefits. At least now you won't have to wait 5
years to see reruns of 'The Wonder Years.'
-B. Kirby
PS - BTW, I'm being totally facetious. Kept ya guessin' though,
didn't I?
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Really-From: Vicky Rudd
>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
>> Really-From: DAVENTURA
>>
>>
>> BTW...any left coasters..YES..Universal Amphitheatre..July 24th
>
>I'd love to go. If they bring back Rick, that is. I hear the new album
>isn't that hot, which isn't good, considering *Talk* was such a limpy. Too
>bad I didn't make the Obispo shows with the *shit* line-up!
>
YES will be in Atlanta (at Chastain Park) in August...not sure of the date
yet, but I hope to be there! I saw them in 94... good show (IMO)!! Rick
is not among the line up on the new album, but as long as Jon is there, I
don't mind. (BTW: He has a great new solo album out *The Promise Ring*.
It's all Irish tunes.)
The new album *Open Your Eyes* is not as much of a limpy as some people are
proclaiming. It has some great tunes on it, and as a whole, is better than
*Talk*. I happen to enjoy it, but hey, I never said I had great taste.
Then again, I enjoyed *Talk* as well.
Sorry to depart from the TD topic... but I had to take up for my favorite
vocal group.
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OK, since it appears that I started this, my birthday is May 7, 1973. I'm
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In a message dated 98-04-08 10:11:53 EDT, you write:
<< btw as weve been discussing the ladies on this list,didnt i read somwhere
that outland was a girl.
regards nick.
>>
Yup, that makes four of us; we're ganging up on you guys. 8-) Dell
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In a message dated 98-04-08 06:18:23 EDT, you write: Colin:
<< p.s. Is it me or are most of the mailers to this list American? Is this a
random
thing or is
it a trend of TD fans in general?
>>
Maybe it's because this nation has always been so consumer conscious,
willing to spend and go into debt for toys like computers. Forget about
tomorrow, we WILL have a good time today. 'Getting and spending, we lay waste
our powers.' Anyway, we probably have more computers or at least access to
them than other nations have. Maybe, I don't really know. Just a thought. Dell
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>I have to speak up for the Canadians here (Gabe, Vincent, Kevin, Mike, and
>others)! We walk among you too. While I'm sure that Americans *do*
>dominate this list in absolute numbers, I suspect that the *perception*
>that they dominate it derives from the fact that you're all a bunch of
>loudmouths! ;-)
>
>
>SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
>
There must be more of us Canuckle-Heads around, but we're too busy drinking
beer and frying up back bacon to speak up :-)
I wonder just how many borders this TD list encompasses?
Roger
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In a message dated 98-04-08 16:50:31 EDT, you write:
<< If anyone is interested in a Stuntman midi file I just created,
please mail me off list. If I sent you Tangram, I'll send you
this automatically.
Cheers,
Lawry
>>
This is excellent; really well done. Can't believe you did something that
creative so quickly. Everybody should check this out if you can. Talk to you
later. 8-) Dell
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On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Vicky Rudd
>
>
> OK, since it appears that I started this, my birthday is May 7, 1973. I'm
> Taurus. LOL Anybody else?
I'll bite.
Sept. 8, 1975. Virgo. Also year of the rabbit.
What is this kind of combination supposed to mean?
> Victoria
> Sunset: That moment in which the luminous aura of the moon
> replaces the last blazing remnants of the sun...
You ever seen a real moonset? Bloody ominous if you ask me.
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Both me and Jen are virgos...my b-day is august 28th, 1979 and her's is
september
21st, 1979.
any takers on those dates?
OIK
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>Really-From: Vicky Rudd
>YES will be in Atlanta (at Chastain Park) in August...not sure of the date
>yet, but I hope to be there! I saw them in 94... good show (IMO)!!
Well, here we go.. A perfect time to meet. We will play 'Relayer' and
'Ricochet' before the concert! Chastain Park is fantastic! Open air medium
size venue. Like I said earlier, PARTY at my house before the concert. Let
me know off list when the ticket details become available. I will only miss
this under two circumstances, a: I'm dead, b: I'm getting married :-)
Vic
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> I will only miss this under two circumstances, a: I'm dead, b: I'm getting
married :-)
>
> Vic
Hey Vic, get B and you get A. Man, there was a lot of list action today. I
had 78 pieces of mostly uninteresting mail. Boy, am I sorry I perpetuated the
birthday thread. Could we try to get back to the issue at hand, Tangerine
Dream? Wait, did I say that? Who do I think I am, Dave Datta? Vicky was
born in '73? Geesh, I have vinyl older than that. That's all for now....David
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At 07:00 PM 4/8/1998 +0000, you wrote:
[.......]
>MTV, using words like 'Homey' and 'Dude' and interjecting expletives
>with a decidedly Brooklyn accent into everyday conversation. Then
>comes the used record store hunting for all the albums by bands with
>American names like Kansas or Chicago or Texas (who are actually from
>Scotland but have already been converted). Eventually you ask
>yourself the question 'What would Bill Clinton/Newt Gingrich
>(depending on your political preference) do in this situation?'
>whenever you need to make a decision. By then, we have you.
You are kidding, I know, but there are folks out there who resent the
dickens out of us for exporting the stuff you mention.
BTW, Brian...just ONCE more (I am such a senile man)...could you post the
address where I am supposed to send the money for the zine? Please....
Andrew
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Really-From: AslanFan1
I have the following TD CD singles for sale as a set:
Turn of the Tides CD5
Dreamtime CD5
Rockoon Single with Edgar Interview
A member on this list had me hold them for him over a month and half ago but
never sent payment and has not returned my emails, so I making them available
again to anyone else wanting them.
They go to best offer. Please email me off list if you're interested.
Thanks,
Alan
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News to me .... I have her first one and it is really good.
THE HIGHLANDER
>Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
>
>
>Does anyone know anything about a new Lisa Gerrard album?
>
>For the uninitiated (Dead Can Dance vocalist)
>
>MJ
>
>
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> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
> > p.s. So..Canadians are shy and retiring then are they? ;-)
>
> Yeah, that's it! One need only look at William Shatner, Pamela Anderson
> and Jim Carey to prove this..... :-)
(I don't know about you, but coming from a Californian, I'd rather remember
Canada for Neil Young, Rush, Bob & Doug McKenzie & The Kids in the Hall,
not those twerps.)
E-Man
>
> SEAN MONTGOMERY Human Cadaver Re-Animator
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>by the way ive been meaning to ask who is from where.Im from lincoln in
>england any other brits on this list?
> regards
> nick
>
I'm fairly close to you, in Nottingham, but originally from Grimsby.
Cheers,
Steve.
NP: Ricochet- the ultimate TD album
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>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
>
>On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
>
>Guess you never read my D:Ages review some months ago. ;)
>
>
>
>He didn't speak so negatively of it in the interview Mark Prendergast
>gave him for the BtS notes, but, he might be less proud of it than some
>of his other releases. If I were in Edgar's shoes, I'd certainly be more
>proud of _Stuntman_ than of _Ages_. Certainly _Stuntman_ has better
>quality of production and composition than _Ages_, IMO.
I don't own Stuntman, but have heard on a few occassions. It doesn't do too
much for me a bit too 'poppy' for me. Can't comment on the production quality.
Out of the Froese solos I have (Aqua, Epsilon, Kamikaze 1989, Pinnacles and now
Ages), Ages comes first, closely followed by Pinnacles.
Of course, that may change after a few more listens.
>Macula...is different. It sort of picks up where _Epsilon_ left off, but
>is darker, more psychedelic, with a a few hints of _Force Majeure_ and
>hardly anything that sounds like _Stratosfear_. It has another great
>Mellotron piece in 'qantas 611', which, IMO, is highly evocative of the
>land of Mordor from Tolkien's Lord of the Rings (at least, i thought so
>when I got _MT_ the same summer I was determined to finish LOTR once and
>for all.)
>
What year is it from?
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Anybody know how I can get my hands on this 3 Cd set? Thanks in advance. Tom
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> Colin
> n.p. Subterranea--IQ
> p.s. Is it me or are most of the mailers to this list American? Is this a
random
> thing or is it a trend of TD fans in general?
Well, I may have a usa.net address, but I'm here in good old blighty.
Liverpool
to be more precise.
Lawry
np - Free System Project - Project 2 (from the Alpha Centauri sampler)
bloody fantastic - spooky stuff Marcel. Keep it up. Can't wait for your next
album.
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So, am I the only Gemini here?
9/6/71 - or 6/9/71 if you like.
Lawry
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> You are kidding, I know, but there are folks out there who resent the
> dickens out of us for exporting the stuff you mention.
Not me... I couldn't live without my Diet Coke (right Dell? :-) )
Or McDonalds for that matter.
Lawry
ps - sorry Daventura... I do try to get the odd TD one in now and again :-)
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Subject: RE: Stuntman Midi File
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> This is excellent; really well done. Can't believe you did something that
> creative so quickly. Everybody should check this out if you can. Talk to
you
> later. 8-) Dell
Well, cheers Dell, but I think you'll find Ed created it nearly twenty years
ago.
He did the hard part, I just played it into my computer. Not like I wrote it
from
scratch eh? :-)
Lawry
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> Really-From: Stephen Yensen
>
> NP: Ricochet- the ultimate TD album
Finally there´s someone else who prefers Ricochet to Rubycon. :-D
Stephen, did you already got Redshift´s stonking 'Ether' CD ?
It comes with tracks I´ve been waiting for ages, the track 'Ether'
fits most perfectly to Ricochet Part II (all IMO, of course).
Ask list member Ash 'Mr. Champagne Lake' for a copy, a must for all TD fans that
love
the Baumann aera.
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Me: April 18, 1967. Nine days and counting! So, what's everyone getting
me? I'd really like a canoe. . .
Scott
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Scott writes:
Me: April 18, 1967. Nine days and counting! So, what's everyone getting me?
I'd really like a canoe. . .
Wow, just 102 years and 2 days after Abraham Lincoln was assassinated. I
wonder if you're the reincarnation of....aww forget it....David
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Gema Records (UK) spring 95 catalogue lists the Krankenschwester
soundtrack in its TD section. Anyone heard of this TD soundtrack?
I presume it's rare because subsequent catalogues don't list it anymore.
Unfortunately I didn't order it then...
I'm on this list for almost 2 years now, and as far as I remember I've
never seen this title mentioned here. Is this soundtrack widely known
under a different name, or is it another 'The Keep LP' case? ;-) Well,
at least I have that catalogue!
Antonio
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lawry wrote she saw edgar moonlighting as a cab driver in paris my answer is
she cant have done, hes been masquerading as my brother in law for the past
couple of years hehehe.
btw someone asked when macula transfer was from.Its from 75 & 76 and is a
great album and believe it or not the album was dedicated to the ghost of
chopin.
spooky
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Subject: Birthday Combinations & Permutations; Canucks; and local TD sources
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Really-From: 'Steve Hinksman'
Hi,
Just thought I'd de-lurk for a bit.
On the birthday-coincidence topic, in a group of 31 people, there
is a 27% chance that no two people will have the same birthdays,
i.e., there is a 73% chance that at least two folks share the same
birthday. (For any two people to _not_ share birthdays, the chance
is 364/365, but for the next person to come along, the chance is
(363/365)*(364/365), and so on, until you're at
(335/365)*(336*365)*...*(364/365) ). Boring math, but it shows
that on tadream, there could be plenty of folks with the same
B-day.
While I look forward to whatever Edgar & Jerome release this/next
year, I suspect we won't see the numbers being bounced around:
25 or so CDs. We'll probably get Ambient Monkeys, The Keep, Time
Square, and something like the re-released Quinoa. Any back catalog
stuff means little to me - I've got the Private Music stuff, so
a re-release will not make me buy it again. E & J probably hope
for a total of 25 CDs over the next few years, but unless the
'Der Meteor' series (whatever happen to that?) is included,
I'd guess at maybe 4 this year, and 4 next year. I hope I'm
wrong, though, and we see 10 or more 'new' releases, and maybe
a few live concerts from the yester-years.
If anything is released, has anyone found a domestic (Canadian)
source for TD that's reliable and actually gets the TDI stuff?
Otherwise I'll have to rely on stuff direct from TDI, I guess.
And I'm a Canadian, eh, so leave my beer & back-bacon alone!
And we play hockey on Bay Street after having a few brewskies!
(Folks who have seen the Labatts Blue ads know what I mean :^)
All the best, eh!
Steve
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NAdams43 writes:
> lawry wrote she saw Edgar....
She? What the hell, I thought I was talking to a guy all this time....David
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Subject: Disc for trade or sale
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Hi dreamers,
I have for trade or sale :
TANGERINE DREAM
'''''''''''''''''
* CD TURN OF THE TIDES 1994 VCD-528 PDI 80.3418
* CD TYRANNY OF BEAUTY 1995 NUEVOS MEDIOS 35 672 CD
* CD THE DREAM MIXES 1995 VIRGIN 7243 8 40916 2 0
* CD LIVE MILES 1988 CASTLE ESM CD 368 GAS 00000368ESM ACO
* 2CD ZEIT 1972 RELATIVITY 88561-8070-2
* CD GREEN DESERT 1973 JIVE ELECTRO C TANG 1
* 5CD THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION 1996 CASTLE ESFCD420-GAS 0000420ESF
ACO
5cd Set approx 5 hours of Music. Including 4 track CD of previously
unreleased material.
Visit my trade page on line .
http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm
Send offers via email to jupe@c... if you're interested.
Jupe
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* http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/home.htm mailto:jupe@c...
* New SWAP List 3.0 , write me !!!!!
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* A mailto:jupe@c... DREAM ON !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
>
>Me: April 18, 1967. Nine days and counting! So, what's everyone getting
>me? I'd really like a canoe. . .
>
>Scott
>
Hey Scott,
What a surprise! I was also born on April 18, but in 1968!!
And last year I celebrated my birthday at the Neu-Isenburg concert :-)
Greetings,
Jeffrey
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Really-From: szatmari pal
Hello guys,
I have been silent for the last few days but I have been
following the list with great amusement. I could not have
topped your jokes so I just laughed my head off at my regular
morning readings of the list.
My greetings to all the newest members!!! (It was less than a
month ago that I received a warm welcome on this very same
list)
One question (well, actually two):
(attn: Nick, Dave & Morgan)
What is Horns of doom and what does the 13/10/80 cdr
contain?
Thanks,
Paul
P.S. I am anxious to find out whether Jen has finally been
convinced to obtain a multi-function penis... :o)
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59
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Subject: Sound & vision
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Hello again,
A new topic has just occured to me:
Would you like to share your personal TD video clip?
I mean: listening to a particular track do you see a certain
color, shape, scene, happenings etc?
For example Exit is now playing and every time I listen to it, I
feel as if I were standing outside a bar somewhere on another
planet. It is very dark but shreds of red light are shining down
from above in the rain. Aliens are coming and going but I am
gazing into the distance filled with hopes of leaving this dark
place soon.
Strange? Maybe. But somebody may have an even more
obscure vision about it.
I have earlier said that I am against influencing anyone with
subjective perceptions but I do not want an overall
interpretation of a composition, only interesting bits.
So put pen to paper (or more precisely mouse to pad) and let
us know your version of a dream.
TDI might use one of our visions in a video...
Best regards,
Paul
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Subject: Re: Anyone heard of TD's Krankenschwester soundtrack?
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> Really-From: Antonio Nunes
>
> Gema Records (UK) spring 95 catalogue lists the Krankenschwester
> soundtrack in its TD section. Anyone heard of this TD soundtrack?
> I presume it's rare because subsequent catalogues don't list it anymore.
> Unfortunately I didn't order it then...
Krankenschwester in german means nurse so maybe is 'Deadly Care'?
Francisco
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby'
> Actually, the listmembers are scattered throughout the globe, we're
> just turning them INTO Americans. First we get you hooked on Coke,
> then you start eating at McDonald's, wearing Levi's, watching
> MTV, using words like 'Homey' and 'Dude' and interjecting expletives
> with a decidedly Brooklyn accent into everyday conversation.
As you all know, I'm trying with all my heart to become 'American' but,
please, let me eat my beloved fish, shrimps and lobsters together with a
fine white Albariño wine. I might, even, drink Coke or Pepsi but don't
force me to eat a big Mac. Anyway, I do want to try those strange words,
but since I don't know the exact meaning, I never got to use them right.
ANd now, to become a bit in topic, How did you manage to Americanize
Tangerine Dream ?
-- Frank Iscoe
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Subject: Re: Nationalities
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Really-From: PENFOLD
At 19:22 199804.08 -0700, tadream mailing list wrote:
>Really-From: 'ROGER HELLIWELL'
>I wonder just how many borders this TD list encompasses?
I'm inclined to believe that California qualifies as crossing a border.
Damn weirdos went and invented Levi's, the Personal Computer, BBQ Chicken
Pizza, and the Burning Man Festival!
(ob TD)
Pete
mailto:penfold@a...
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the
road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
-- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides
on which instruments to take on the road.
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 08:17 AM 4/9/98 -0400, Scott wrote:
>Me: April 18, 1967. Nine days and counting! So, what's everyone getting
>me? I'd really like a canoe. . .
Can you canoe? Oar would you like something else? Afloat?
ROF (rowing on floor)
Mike
(sorry Daventura, I'll stop!)
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At 12:22 AM 4/9/98 EDT, you wrote:
Vicky was
>born in '73? Geesh, I have vinyl older than that. That's all for
now....David
Hey David! Keep it up and Dr. Rosza, Craig Shipley, and myself will beat
you to death with our AARP cards!;-)
Mike
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Subject: Andy Pickford
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Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
I've seen Andy Pickford's name thrown around on this list and I've
checked out his web site. If there are any fans out there of this guy,
let me know what his music is like and what to start with. You can email
me directly.
Also, does anyone know if there's a copy of Quinoa I can get my hands
on? (I'm serious . . . quit laughing!).
Glenn Reinicke
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American fan since '77
And yes, we build those ugly tract homes that look alike . . . another
California invention.
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> Glenn Reinicke
> glennr@f...
>
> American fan since '77
> And yes, we build those ugly tract homes that look alike ...
> another California invention.
Don't forget the ugly apartment buildings, too....David
N.P. EO Disc 3...Dolphin Dance...On repeat, over and over
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Subject: Re: Ages
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
>Looks like we're never going to agree on too much, eh Marcel?
I agree :-)
But I think it is nice to see people have a different taste. (which is
definitely not a bad taste, don't get me wrong)
It may look like when you say A I will say B (like Ages) but thats
really not it. I really like Ages.
I'm sure we agree on many things, Gabe. Time will tell.
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
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>On the birthday-coincidence topic, in a group of 31 people, there
>is a 27% chance that no two people will have the same birthdays,
>i.e., there is a 73% chance that at least two folks share the same
>birthday. (For any two people to _not_ share birthdays, the chance
>is 364/365, but for the next person to come along, the chance is
>(363/365)*(364/365), and so on, until you're at
>(335/365)*(336*365)*...*(364/365) ). Boring math, but it shows
>that on tadream, there could be plenty of folks with the same
>B-day
Yes, this is a good and valid proof, although all the rigorous details do
not figure - but it will be boring doing maths in a serious music mailing
list, won't it? (Old nightmares for someones, eh?). Note that I didn't
understand the first 'proof' someone tried to give recently. And everyone
may also understand that if there is on our list more than 400 people, then
there is more than 365 (or 366) people and thus it is CERTAIN than at least
two people share the same B-Day!
Cheers,
Fred
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Subject: Typo
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Last post should have read:
N.P. EO..Disc 3..Dolphin Smile..Repeat, over and over
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Subject: RE: Andy Pickford
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Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
Nope, that's the William Lyon company. Shame on them.
> > Glenn Reinicke
> > glennr@f...
> >
> > American fan since '77
> > And yes, we build those ugly tract homes that look alike ...
> > another California invention.
>
> Don't forget the ugly apartment buildings, too....David
>
> N.P. EO Disc 3...Dolphin Dance...On repeat, over and over
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>>On the birthday-coincidence topic, in a group of 31 people, there
>>is a 27% chance that no two people will have the same birthdays,
>>i.e., there is a 73% chance that at least two folks share the same
>>birthday. (For any two people to _not_ share birthdays, the chance
>>is 364/365, but for the next person to come along, the chance is
>>(363/365)*(364/365), and so on, until you're at
>>(335/365)*(336*365)*...*(364/365) ). Boring math, but it shows
blah blah blah............
Is this a music-list or what?!?
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
Email :fsp@w...
(i find very very few TD/music-related messages these days)
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Subject: Completely Useless Message
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
Just wanted to tell you all that I'm currently listening to
Encore. I'd forgotten how much Coldwater Canyon
kicks ass. If you haven't heard this for a while, crack it
open, crank your amp up to 11, annoy the hell out of
your neighbours/children/pets and get grooving to
some of the best TD around! :-)
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Subject: Re: NEW TD RELEASES and a rant!
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Re:
>Since everyone with the info seems to be keeping most of it secret for the
>time being, why don't we have some fun speculating about what might be
>released in this upcoming block of 25-36 CDs that Jerome mentioned on
>Electrobeats?
>MJ
Call me an old cynic but I really don't believe this for a moment. OK, I
only joined the list recently and you may have discussed this already,
but look how long it has taken them to NOT have The Keep/DM2/AM
generally available, and they think they can get 'even' 25 CD's out in a
year? Who is going to buy them even if they could do this, certainly not
me.
OK, in a fantasy world they will put out a Schulze-type 10 box set, but
the reason most of this material has not seen the light of day before is
that it is not up to scratch, and all the digital fixing cannot improve
on a bum track!
I read about their plans to flood the CD market in the risible 'Focus on
the Facts' I laughed so loudly that I nearly cracked my monitor! (But I
suppose you've all done this subject to death before I came along as
well. Ho hum.)
Daniel
(male, capricorn dates 6401162230, married 1 kid, grey hair, not enough
money for a DCD, let alone 26)
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On Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:13:11 -0700, tadream@c... (tadream
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>'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
>studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the
>road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
I've seen this little message a lot and it occurs to me that any
equipment that has survived three such falls will probably die
horribly the next time you as much as breathe on it!
I can only guess that by 'functioning properly' in the gigging sense
that the maestro means 'the lights still work'.....
And yes, of course, I worship the ground Edgar has walked on but I
don't necessarily believe every quote literally....
;-)
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Subject: Re: Ages
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On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
>
> >Really-From: Gabe Yedid
> >
> I don't own Stuntman, but have heard on a few occassions. It doesn't do too
> much for me a bit too 'poppy' for me. Can't comment on the production
quality.
> Out of the Froese solos I have (Aqua, Epsilon, Kamikaze 1989, Pinnacles and
now
> Ages), Ages comes first, closely followed by Pinnacles.
>
> Of course, that may change after a few more listens.
It may just be that since I heard _Stuntman_ first, I expected _Ages_ to
be of the same standard. But I think I've been through each one enough
times now that I have decided that, as far as I am concerned, the overall
quality of _Stuntman_ is quite superior to that of _Ages_.
> >Macula...is different. It sort of picks up where _Epsilon_ left off, but
> >is darker, more psychedelic, with a a few hints of _Force Majeure_ and
> >hardly anything that sounds like _Stratosfear_. It has another great
> >Mellotron piece in 'qantas 611', which, IMO, is highly evocative of the
> >land of Mordor from Tolkien's Lord of the Rings (at least, i thought so
> >when I got _MT_ the same summer I was determined to finish LOTR once and
> >for all.)
> >
>
> What year is it from?
I'm pretty sure it's 1976.
> -------------------------------------------------------------
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On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
>
> Just wanted to tell you all that I'm currently listening to
> Encore. I'd forgotten how much Coldwater Canyon
> kicks ass. If you haven't heard this for a while, crack it
> open, crank your amp up to 11, annoy the hell out of
> your neighbours/children/pets and get grooving to
> some of the best TD around! :-)
That it will do. It annoys the hell out of me.
I just think it's one of TD's most 'robotic', tick-tocky, time-beating
pieces; I've just never seen what so many other people seem to hear in it.
Then again, I can also say I truly do NOT enjoy _Logos_, either.
Gabe
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Subject: Re: Anyone heard of TD's Krankenschwester soundtrack?
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Hi!
The German TV title was
'Krankenschwester des Todes' (Nurse of death)
so I assume it's only 'Deadly Care'
Stephan
>I'm on this list for almost 2 years now, and as far as I remember I've
>never seen this title mentioned here. Is this soundtrack widely known
>under a different name, or is it another 'The Keep LP' case? ;-) Well,
>at least I have that catalogue!
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Subject: Speculation About the Alleged 25 1998 CDs
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Well, it seems to me that it would be really nice if we got some of
the following soundtracks:
o RED NIGHTS \
o RED HEAT \
o FORBIDDEN / all four of these are supposedly among the 25 already
o THE KEEP /
o THE MAN INSIDE (since it went out of print so quickly)
o STREETHAWK (c'mon, if the KEEP rights could be ironed out, this
shouldn't be any harder)
o RAINBOW DRIVE
o THE SWITCH
I just hope to God that a lot of the 25 CDs-worth of stuff is
not on par with ZEIT, DESTINATION BERLIN, OPTICAL RACE, 'House of
the Rising Sun,' or . . . (gag) . . . 'Lost Tale.'
-- Steven Feldman
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Leo, August 1958. Sorry, no date. I've heard too much bad stuff
from astrologers about my chart and don't want to get another dose
of it here. Suffice to say, I'm about as much a Leo as Leos get.
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At 12:00 AM 4/9/1998 -0400, Vic wrote:
[......]
>'Ricochet' before the concert! Chastain Park is fantastic! Open air medium
>size venue. Like I said earlier, PARTY at my house before the concert. Let
You sure it's still there. :-))
Andrew
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 01:15 PM 4/9/1998, Dr. Fox wrote:
>Really-From: Michael Fox
>
>
>At 12:22 AM 4/9/98 EDT, you wrote:
> Vicky was
>>born in '73? Geesh, I have vinyl older than that. That's all for
>now....David
>
>Hey David! Keep it up and Dr. Rosza, Craig Shipley, and myself will beat
>you to death with our AARP cards!;-)
Don't you believe her, David. Dr. Fox is a woman and she is 29 years old.
Her real name is Michelle. Mike is only an affectation that she has assumed
ever since she has been stalked. She made the mistake of revealing that she
had an original 'The Keep' LP. Now she knows better than to brag. Or does she?
Andrew
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Date: Fri Apr 10, 1998 4:14
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Subject: Re: Ages
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Really-From: John Majka
I have all the Froese solo albums on vinyl and on CD, except for Ages, which
I have neither seen nor heard. Recent discussion on this list has led me to
believe it was a double album. Is this correct? The CD, however, does not
include all the tracks from the album, if I understand correctly? Macula
Transfer is, in my opinion, one of the weaker albums--it just sounds like
the tracks are generally outtakes or second-rate material, which is not to
say that it isn't good....it just isn't of the best quality. I agree with
the comments about Stuntman being too pop-oriented. Although I like the
album, it still sounds a little bit too sickly sweet, a little trite, in its
melodies. Overall I think the best Froese album is Epsilon In Malaysian
Pale. This album far far outdoes the others, I think.
John Majka
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Subject: Greetings from Florida!
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Really-From: 'Roger Smith'
Some intro-put from this long-time lurker:
Poland, and of course, Thief set me on this tangerine trail that
accompanies my daily doings for some time now.
This boy is among the elder fans (49 years old) who follows all of
Tangerine Dream's output, with a preference for that freework of the
late 1970s and those gothic compositions of the Schmoelling era.
I work as the underwater archaeologist for the State of Florida, which,
accompanied by occasional Underwater Sunlight, allows me to visit a
dimension well suited to the appreciation of electronic music.
We have been investigating an early Spanish galleon at the bottom of
Pensacola Bay, which for us is very cool. You can join us on a web-tour
of the site, that is being updated on a regular basis:
http://www.dos.state.fl.us/dhr/bar/ep
I was raised listening to the classical music of European composers; a
natural introduction to the post-war experimentation that extended this
tradition alongside but invisible with the pop-world of the Stones and
Beatles (which we all listened to). For me, the 'Berlin School' is a
continuation of an aural cognition of compositions that makes sense to a
boy that came out of the acid acuteness of the sixties (Pink Floyd
notwhithstanding).
Joining today's ranks of the international Tadream clan, I've met many
internet friends (Spect Le, Marcel, Lars, Vic, Tom W., etc.) who've
generously turned me on to the wider world of this unique band and
shared their enthusiasm for this unsung music with open arms.
For those who want to become aquainted with the lyrical legacy of
Tangerine Dream, I'd recommend obtaining the 1995 Tangents 5CD box set.
Nitpicking aside, this is the composer's (Froese) taste of the epitome
of the essence of this music.
Earlier experimentional music is represented in another 2CD set called
Book of Dreams, which I like very much.
Check out the videos of these films:
The Keep, and the Soldier, for classic TD gothic Logos music
Near Dark, and Miracle Mile, for wonderful musical scores
Firestarter, and Heartbreakers, for more
Forbidden, also.
There are several new composers who follow this musical tradition; their
products are very welcome,a nd are worth your support.
I've been honored by an invitation to Portugal to present our findings
on the 16th-century Spanish shipwreck in Pensacola at a roundtable in
conjunction with the Expo'98 world's fair at Lisbon in September of this
year.
My wife and I will be traveling to Portugal, Northern Spain, France,
Southern England, and Northern Ireland during the month of September.
We'd like to meet with those European fans of Tangerine Dream to share
comraderie and similar musical adventures.
Roger C. Smith, Ph.D.
State Underwater Archaeologist
Tallahassee, Florida 32399-0250
U.S.A.
now playing: Digital Times (1982)
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
>
> Just wanted to tell you all that I'm currently listening to
> Encore. I'd forgotten how much Coldwater Canyon
> kicks ass. If you haven't heard this for a while, crack it
> open, crank your amp up to 11, annoy the hell out of
> your neighbours/children/pets and get grooving to
> some of the best TD around! :-)
>
>
You bet!
I think I'm liking the Baumann era more and more
over any other era. Truly dynamic, fresh, and looong!
'Encore' has had the longest staying power of any
album I own.. I usually have the track you mentioned
on repeat.. ending and starting with crowd noise.. it
never gets boring.. which is something I don't
understand.. In fact, I think TD had it's most
promiseing pinacle here right before Baumann left.
Oddly enough, my favorite TD albums
are 'Poland' 'Encore' and 'Oasis'
but 'Encore' is really the 'dreaming' of the three.
Greg H.
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Subject: Infinite Horizons and Macula Transfer
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Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby'
Here's an update for those of you who may have noticed that it is no
longer March and that your copy of Infinite Horizons has not yet
arrived (for those of you who didn't notice, ignore this message).
The original shipping date had delays for the artwork already
included, so of course the artwork ran into more problems than usual.
At this point we expect to start shipping them by the end of the
month. If that situation changes, I'll be certain to let everybody
know. As always, you can simply EMail me with further questions.
While I'm on the topic of CDs, I'd also like to announce that Horizon
Music will have copies of Macula Transfer to order for both
subscribers and non-subscribers. The price before shipping for
subscribers is $15, and non-subscribers $18. Those of you who need
shipping or address information should contact me off-list. These
discs should be ready for shipment within 4-6 weeks.
We know return you to your regularly scheduled list discussion.
-B. Kirby
PS - I'm out of town until Sunday night, so replying before then will
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Subject: Re: B-day
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>
> On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> > Really-From: Vicky Rudd
> >
> >
> > OK, since it appears that I started this, my birthday is May 7, 1973. I'm
> > Taurus. LOL Anybody else?
>
> I'll bite.
> Sept. 8, 1975. Virgo. Also year of the rabbit.
> What is this kind of combination supposed to mean?
>
>
> > Victoria
> > Sunset: That moment in which the luminous aura of the moon
> > replaces the last blazing remnants of the sun...
>
> You ever seen a real moonset? Bloody ominous if you ask me.
>
> Gabe
Hmm, I guess it's time to let everyone know I'm older than I act, heh
heh. Jan, 28, 1969 (The space shuttle blew up on my B-day! Cool!). I
don't dig that astrological crap, I'm a non-denominational
Christian...who'd have guessed? Heh heh. Hey Gabe...are you british? You
keep saying bloody..I thought you were an american. You should be saying
'dude' & soforth. Well, end the confusion, dude! Heh heh.
Dano
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Subject: Tape Tree 1 & 2
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
Hi Tadreamers,
Today, I got the tapes from Hilmar, who is the digital branch of the trees
1 & 2. That means that I can go on dubbing now for my leaves.
I expect to send off all tapes to the leaves probably by the end of next week.
How's the trees 1 & 2 going so far in the US ??
I propose starting the D:LIVE discussions in the first week of May, when
everybody will have their tapes (hopefully !!) and everybody could have an
opportunity about the material (there's some very weird stuff, folks !!!).
How about this, US branches ?? Lars and Tom, what do you think of it ??
Cheers,
Wouter
np. White-Out Conditions - Bel Canto (one of the best Norwegian records
ever made)
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Date: Fri Apr 10, 1998 10:22
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Subject: RE: Edgar moonlighting again
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
Nicola Adams wrote ( :-) )
> lawry wrote she saw edgar moonlighting as a cab driver in paris my answer
is
> she cant have done, hes been masquerading as my brother in law for the
past
> couple of years hehehe.
Hmmm.....
Lawrence Edward Simm Esquire. (just to be sure)
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Subject: Re: Anyone heard of TD's Krankenschwester soundtrack?
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Really-From: Antonio Nunes
'Francisco Salgado C.' wrote:
> Krankenschwester in german means nurse so maybe is 'Deadly Care'?
Yes possibly, but the same catalogue also lists 'Deadly Care'. Perhaps
'Krankenschwester' is a german edition and 'Deadly Care' is the Silva
Screen release.
Antonio
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Subject: Nice photos of boots
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Hello TaDreamers,
I've just found out that 'Danger Live' boots took his front cover from the
back of the LP 'Atem'. Neither Relativity edition, nor SBM remaster version
show this picture.
Hope this is 'useless, indispensable'
Fred
np : track#18 from 'Pacific Blue' ; wouldn't guess it's CF.
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On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
>
> > Really-From: Gabe Yedid
> >
> > You ever seen a real moonset? Bloody ominous if you ask me.
> >
> > Gabe
>
> Christian...who'd have guessed? Heh heh. Hey Gabe...are you british? You
> keep saying bloody..I thought you were an american. You should be saying
> 'dude' & soforth. Well, end the confusion, dude! Heh heh.
No, I'm Canadian born and bred. That said, the British influence in my
English probably does tend to be a bit stronger than most Yanks might expect.
Perhaps I've watched too much Python and Red Dwarf?
> Dano
Gabe
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Subject: Re: Speculation About the Alleged 25 1998 CDs
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> o STREETHAWK (c'mon, if the KEEP rights could be ironed out, this
> shouldn't be any harder)
So we can get an album of music that never appeared in the series? ;)
> o RAINBOW DRIVE
I saw this *years* ago on HBO...don't at all remember the music...
Gabe
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 07:41 PM 4/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Don't you believe her, David. Dr. Fox is a woman and she is 29 years old.
>Her real name is Michelle. Mike is only an affectation that she has assumed
>ever since she has been stalked. She made the mistake of revealing that she
>had an original 'The Keep' LP. Now she knows better than to brag. Or does
she?
I couldn't help but notice you failed to mention the child I bore for you
some years ago in Germany when I was a young innocent Fraulein. Have you
heard from 'Jerry', as we called him, recently? I hear he is some kind of
musician.
'Michy'
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tadream mailing list wrote:
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> Really-From: John Majka
>
> I have all the Froese solo albums on vinyl and on CD, except for Ages, which
> I have neither seen nor heard. Recent discussion on this list has led me to
> believe it was a double album. Is this correct?
Yes.
The CD, however, does not
> include all the tracks from the album, if I understand correctly?
Yes. One track is missing.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
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Hey all,
Up from the depths of lurking. Being a 4/17/62 dude, I came to think that
the reason I meet so many other spring babies, is that there are more of
us. I've never seen the statistics, but the rest of the creatures on earth
seem to like spring for babies.
Thank for the midi files Lawry, I'm saving my pennies for the stuff to play
them. I really want to understand the sequences that make me feel like I'm
going somewhere. Man, I love that feeling! Trains, horses, and clocks.
I've got logostype, Pickford, Redshift on the way, so soon I'll see whether
you all are full of shit or not ;-)
Some of you people have been getting ahold Edgars Ages CD. Where should I
look for it?
I met the Norse God once at a Joe Satriani concert. Had to corner him, I told
him how much I've enjoyed his music and how well its integrated with my life.
He said 'Yah Joe's very gud!'. Kind of reminded me of when playing soccer and
your doing well. Someone trys to talk about how good your doing before the
game is over, and you blow them off for your games sake.
I always thought Canada was good for the Pinery and Bradors (sp?)
Cheers mates
nw (now waiting) for some new music, HURRY!
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AND SO ON, AND SO ON, AND SO ON, AND SO ON.......
In the word's of the monkey man in Dr. Moureau.....
'FATHER!'
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Happy Easter to all of you!
>Finally there´s someone else who prefers Ricochet to Rubycon. :-D
>
>Stephen, did you already got Redshift´s stonking 'Ether' CD ?
>It comes with tracks I´ve been waiting for ages, the track 'Ether'
>fits most perfectly to Ricochet Part II (all IMO, of course).
I've never heard any Redshift, Pickford or whatever, so I will start
looking
for these...
Ricochet ousted Rubycon from my ultimate favourite spot as soon as I first
heard it. The sure sign that a piece of music touches me to the heart is
when I get serious goose bumps, that and a feeling of my hair standing on
end, almost like a very heavy static charge.
Never heard Ricochet until July last year. A colleague of mine was
clearing
out his attic. Knowing my love for obscure music (his opinion), he gave me
a
Ricochet vinyl. Other gems included Yes, Ange, Curved Air, Jefferson
Airplane, Gryphon, Fairport Convention, Wakeman, Vangelis... all on vinyl..
>Just wanted to tell you all that I'm currently listening to
>Encore. I'd forgotten how much Coldwater Canyon
>kicks ass.
Another excellent album IMO, but it's funny how I didn't notice it when it
first came out. It was the TD list that got me going on this. Thanks
Craig.
My ultimate TD concerts were Bradford 1974, and Nottingham 1976 (those who
have the fan tape can probably hear coughing in the background - sorry, but
that was me!)
Yes, I'm definitely pro Baumann era, for me the glory years ended when
Peter
left, and total disillusionment set in when Chris departed. I believe that
his use of the sequencer made TD a force to be reckoned with.
Having said that, I do like Oasis and TimeSquare, which I bought at the
Nottingham 1997 concert. My impression of the concert? Goose bumps and
static!
>So put pen to paper (or more precisely mouse to pad) and let
>us know your version of a dream.
Do you mean dream or hallucination? Or does it really matter?
Bye for now.
Steve.
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In a message dated 98-04-09 03:21:38 EDT, you write:
<< (I don't know about you, but coming from a Californian, I'd rather remember
Canada for Neil Young, Rush, Bob & Doug McKenzie & The Kids in the Hall,
not those twerps.) >>
canada = NASH THE SLASH
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
damn he was good....
tom w
np: nash the slash - palladium, nyc 1981 (wrapped in gauze and in chains)
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In a message dated 98-04-10 04:42:50 EDT, you write:
<< How's the trees 1 & 2 going so far in the US ??
blossoming....
I propose starting the D:LIVE discussions in the first week of May, when
everybody will have their tapes (hopefully !!) and everybody could have an
opportunity about the material (there's some very weird stuff, folks !!!).
yowzaa....
How about this, US branches ?? Lars and Tom, what do you think of it ??
>>
i cant think right now...its a long weekend, im starting my third beer, i just
heard that ambiant otaku (fax, bfd for all u naysayers) is gonna be re-issued
in a limited 300 run, and im listening to live orb...but, whatever u decide is
fine by me....
tom w
np: orb - denver 97 (space is the place)
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Subject: Re: B-day
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
> Perhaps I've watched too much Python and Red Dwarf?
Python's Life of Brian and ...Holy Grail are like ice-cold Corona: good to
the last drop and when you're done, you still want more!!!!!!!!
E-Man
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> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
> > o RAINBOW DRIVE
> I saw this *years* ago on HBO...don't at all remember the music...
This would make a killer release! I loved the music while watching this
flick. You can rent it, too.
E-Man
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Is Surface 10 the group that did their version of Phaedra on the TD
tribute cd? Is their cd any good? Comments?
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 11:43 AM 4/10/1998, Foxy Lady wrote:
>
>>Don't you believe her, David. Dr. Fox is a woman and she is 29 years old.
>>Her real name is Michelle. Mike is only an affectation that she has assumed
>>ever since she has been stalked. She made the mistake of revealing that she
>>had an original 'The Keep' LP. Now she knows better than to brag. Or does
>she?
>
>I couldn't help but notice you failed to mention the child I bore for you
>some years ago in Germany when I was a young innocent Fraulein. Have you
>heard from 'Jerry', as we called him, recently? I hear he is some kind of
>musician.
>
Please, Michy....it is not sightly to air our linen in public. Especially
not now when the fruit of our love is about to drive everyone to the
poor-house with his mass of new old releases.
BTW, don't you think it is about time you returned all the original LPs and
CDs of 'L'Affair Walraff?' I know we had our differences, but you can keep
one of each. The rest are overdue. And 'The Keep' was mine, lest you,
conveniently, forget it. Sheeesh...I sure could use Steven's $500 right now.
Andreas
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
> At 11:43 AM 4/10/1998, Foxy Lady wrote:
> >
> >I couldn't help but notice you failed to mention the child I bore for
you
> >some years ago in Germany when I was a young innocent Fraulein. Have you
> >heard from 'Jerry', as we called him, recently? I hear he is some kind
of
> >musician.
> >
>
> Please, Michy....it is not sightly to air our linen in public. Especially
> not now when the fruit of our love is about to drive everyone to the
> poor-house with his mass of new old releases.
Heeeee-larious!!!!!! :-) :-)
E-Man
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Subject: D:List Addendum
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
As we are still holding off for a short while before starting
the D:Live discussions, I thought I'd open up the whole of
the D:List Addendum for another week or two to keep us
going. So, for the new people or for the ones that missed
the boat last time round, here's your chance to spark up
some 'on topic' discussions. Anyone remember what they
are :-)
The topics covered were
Oasis
1997 World Tour CD (Das Madchaen Auf Der Treppe)
Tournado
Der Meteor (Jim & Pablo)
Ambient Monkeys
TimeSquare: Dream Mixes II
If you have comments/thoughts/reviews of any of these albums,
please send them to the list, we'd like to hear them. Don't be shy.
Happy typing,
Lawry
Oh, PS... please make your subject line read
D:Oasis
D:World Tour CD
D:Tournado
D:Der Meteor
D:Ambient Monkeys
D:TImeSquare
as required. Thanks.
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Subject: Re: Encore
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> Really-From: 'Steve Yensen'
>
> Happy Easter to all of you!
>
> >Finally there´s someone else who prefers Ricochet to Rubycon. :-D
> >
> >Stephen, did you already got Redshift´s stonking 'Ether' CD ?
> >It comes with tracks I´ve been waiting for ages, the track 'Ether'
> >fits most perfectly to Ricochet Part II (all IMO, of course).
>
> I've never heard any Redshift, Pickford or whatever, so I will start
> looking
> for these...
>
> Ricochet ousted Rubycon from my ultimate favourite spot as soon as I first
> heard it. The sure sign that a piece of music touches me to the heart is
> when I get serious goose bumps, that and a feeling of my hair standing on
> end, almost like a very heavy static charge.
>
> Never heard Ricochet until July last year. A colleague of mine was
> clearing
> out his attic. Knowing my love for obscure music (his opinion), he gave me
> a
> Ricochet vinyl. Other gems included Yes, Ange, Curved Air, Jefferson
> Airplane, Gryphon, Fairport Convention, Wakeman, Vangelis... all on vinyl..
>
> >Just wanted to tell you all that I'm currently listening to
> >Encore. I'd forgotten how much Coldwater Canyon
> >kicks ass.
>
> Another excellent album IMO, but it's funny how I didn't notice it when it
> first came out. It was the TD list that got me going on this. Thanks
> Craig.
>
> My ultimate TD concerts were Bradford 1974, and Nottingham 1976 (those who
> have the fan tape can probably hear coughing in the background - sorry, but
> that was me!)
>
> Yes, I'm definitely pro Baumann era, for me the glory years ended when
> Peter
> left, and total disillusionment set in when Chris departed. I believe that
> his use of the sequencer made TD a force to be reckoned with.
>
> Having said that, I do like Oasis and TimeSquare, which I bought at the
> Nottingham 1997 concert. My impression of the concert? Goose bumps and
> static!
>
> >So put pen to paper (or more precisely mouse to pad) and let
> >us know your version of a dream.
>
> Do you mean dream or hallucination? Or does it really matter?
>
> Bye for now.
>
> Steve.
>
It's really good to know there are others who love Coldwater Canyon as
much as I do! This is my all time favourite TD track and the whole album
rates highly as well. Do you know Paul Stump's book 'Digital Gothic'? He
also rated that album highly but I was upset he did not mention this
track. With respect to my earlier'rant' about unreleased TD I don't
think everything they have hidden is worthless, but EF has resisted
releasing this period live material for a long time now. He says he does
not want to be the kind of artist to bow to fans pressure and just give
them what they want, but he is coming round to the idea !(?) There may
be a few gems awaiting us 70's retro freaks still!
Yep, for me TD=EF/CF/PB
BTW if you like Encore, you will love redshift
(www.users.dircon.co.uk/~redshift/ also check out /~rmi if you have not
heard anything from the massacre boys you're in for a treat!). Are you
into AirSculpture/Node?
Andy Pickford has a site at www.picko.demon.co.uk.
Reagrds,
Daniel
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Subject: Re: VIC in Atlanta HEY
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Really-From: SRiser3600
ok did I miss something VIC???
Whats this about tdream at Chastain Park!!!
TRUE or another false alarm..
I check paper every weekend and have heard nothing about dream...
Only Vanni(he sucks)
Yes Chastain would be great
Lakewood the other outdoor Amp. SUCKS
let me know where did this info come from
Steve
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Subject: Re: Speculation About the Alleged 25 1998 CDs
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> > > o RAINBOW DRIVE
> > I saw this *years* ago on HBO...don't at all remember the music...
>
> This would make a killer release! I loved the music while watching this
> flick. You can rent it, too.
>
> E-Man
Wouldn't this date from the Lily-Melrose era?
I remember I saw in '91, I think...it was still 'new' then, so shouldn't
it sound like what TD was doing at the time? Or is it quite different,
compared to stuff like _L'Affaire Wallraff_?
Gabe
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Subject: tape trees (update info also)
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>Really-From: Wouter Bessels
>Hi Tadreamers,
>Today, I got the tapes from Hilmar, who is the digital branch of the trees
>1 & 2. That means that I can go on dubbing now for my leaves.
>I expect to send off all tapes to the leaves probably by the end of next
week.
>How's the trees 1 & 2 going so far in the US ??
-- I think everyone except the US digital people have their material... I
image the us digital people should be getting their stuff any day now?
>I propose starting the D:LIVE discussions in the first week of May, when
>everybody will have their tapes (hopefully !!) and everybody could have an
>opportunity about the material (there's some very weird stuff, folks !!!).
>How about this, US branches ?? Lars and Tom, what do you think of it ??
-- OK, that sounds about right. Since Lawry is near the bottom of the food
chain (no offense Lawry ;-) I told him/her ;-) earlier this week that the
trees could start a week after he/she ;-) received his/her ;-) tapes.
Lawry will post an announcement when the tapes are in his/her ;-) hands. I
think we just need to be sure everyone has the first set of tapes since it
wouldn't be fair to start the discussion otherwise. There's no harm in
delaying a little bit and better now than in the midst of things.
this brings me to another subject at hand. one can always expect a few
problems in the first trees but I think we have ironed most of these out.
the material for trees 3-4 is in the mail to the branches so those trees
are moving too. additionally, the branches also will receive the material
for trees 5-7 at the same time which means that distribution will be
greatly expedited for subsequent trees since they will effectively begin at
the branch level. this should save about 2-3 weeks and it will allow the
branches to dub/burn well in advance of the deadlines--this should
especially help the european branches. Soon, the majority of the material
for trees 8-15 (up to 1987) will also be in the mail to the branches -- so
we can be sure that the trees WILL stay ahead of the D:LIVE! discussions.
this brings me to the next and final subject: if you have any high quality
/ low generation material for trees 5-15 (1977-1987) please contact me
off-list ASAP!
thanks
lars
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Subject: Re: Surface 10
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Howdy!
>Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith)
>Is Surface 10 the group that did their version of Phaedra on the TD
>tribute cd? Is their cd any good? Comments?
Yep, it's the same guy (Dean De Benedictis-who also did the 'Exit' cover on
the same disc.) If you liked those covers as much as I did (IMNSHO they
were the standout tracks!) then you will *love* his CD! It is really quite
good! 77 min. of e.m. that pays homage to (instead of cloning) TD's sound.
Three of the tracks are over 10 min., and everything flows together quite
nicely. Only one possible caveat here: some may feel that the next to last
track is a little jarring, with it's sample and insistent sequencer and
guitar contrasting in style a little to what has gone before it. But if you
like contemporary prog rock (i.e: Ozric Tenticles, Porcupine Tree) it
shouldn't bug you at all. Buy this disc now!
goozer
P.S: Also highly recommended from the same label:
The Brain/The Brain- Berlin meets Dusseldorf e.m....and it's pure analog!
Xylon/Mooncafe- More contemporary in it's sound, but it goes down a treat!
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Date: Sat Apr 11, 1998 5:29
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Subject: Re: Nationalities
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In a message dated 98-04-09 14:20:01 EDT, you write:
<<
I'm inclined to believe that California qualifies as crossing a border.
Damn weirdos went and invented Levi's >>
Hmm, I believe Levi's were invented by someone of that name in New York
for the purpose of giving cowboys a tougher pair of pants to wear on their
long trail drives. At that time California would have been part of Mexico. I
think.
Now how to make this relate to TD? Well, to continue another thread I
could swear I saw Mr. Froese hot walking horses at Hialeah. 8-) Dell
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
A few months back I asked the TD office about the possibiltity of
releasing the Soundtrack.... They responded politely but mysteriously
stating something to the effect they won't comment on unconfirmed rumors
or works in process... So who knows? I for one hope it is released...
MJ
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Subject: Re: more on new albums
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
Sources who wish to remain anonymous have informed me there will be at
least two totally new (97-1998) albums of material in the upcoming bulk of
releases..
MJ
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Subject: Luminous Vision:alternate music
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Just for kicks we tried viewing the new LV video while playing some early
70s TD and Redshift...Suprisingly they fit very well too!
MJ
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If anyone want's this one, hot of the press, then mail me
off list please. If you've had the others, you'll get this one
automatically.
Cheers,
Lawry
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At 13:29 199804.11 EDT, tadream mailing list wrote:
>Really-From: AOutland
>
>
>In a message dated 98-04-09 14:20:01 EDT, you write:
>
><<
> I'm inclined to believe that California qualifies as crossing a border.
> Damn weirdos went and invented Levi's >>
>
> Hmm, I believe Levi's were invented by someone of that name in New York
>for the purpose of giving cowboys a tougher pair of pants to wear on their
>long trail drives. At that time California would have been part of Mexico. I
>think.
Actually Levi Strauss was a dry goods dealer who sought to make tougher
pants for the California Gold Miners. The 501 are referred to as such as
they originally had 501 rivets holding the fabric together in addition to
stitching.
(ob TD)
I thought I saw Edgar's visage in a flour tortilla at El Torito Grill.....
Pete
mailto:penfold@a...
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the
road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
-- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides
on which instruments to take on the road.
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Subject: Tangerine Dream 70-80
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Really-From: patricdonaghy@w... (Patric Donaghy)
I have just secured an abssolute mint copy of this box set. It appears
the records have never been played...as the grooves in the records are
scratch and dust free....and the records themselves are shiny and
fingerprint free. The box and 28 page booklet are also in pristine
condition. The sticker on the box indicates that the set was mastered
,processed, and pressed by Nimbus records of Great Britain for maximum
fidelity. Nimbus is well known in audiophile circles as top notch. Evan
the paper and plastic sleeves containing each of the records have no
tears, wrinkles etc. If you are into serious sound ...and your
turntable and cartridge are highend.....this set could be a terrific
addition to your collection. I will accept bids for this set offline to
my email indicated above. Thanks. Finally, I still have the unplayed
Dream Roots collection cd and 60 booklet for sale. I am keeping the 5th
cd of unreleased material...but I will tape it for you. I am now asking
$30.00 (which includes return postage by priority mail) for this 4 cd
set.
Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions
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Subject: Re: Tape Tree 1 & 2
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In a message dated 98-04-10 04:42:50 EDT, you write: Wouter
<< How's the trees 1 & 2 going so far in the US ?? >>
I'm doing fine; got these re-recorded so I could listen to them in detail
in my car; will hold further comments for now until we are in a formal
discussion of them. Dell
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Subject: Re: VIC in Atlanta HEY
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In a message dated 98-04-11 09:44:37 EDT, you write: Steve
<< ok did I miss something VIC???
Whats this about tdream at Chastain Park!!! >>
Not TD; a group called Yes as reported by Vicky Rudd. Dell
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: Gabe Yediditagain
>
> > > > o RAINBOW DRIVE
> > > I saw this *years* ago on HBO...don't at all remember the music...
> >
> > This would make a killer release! I loved the music while watching this
> > flick. You can rent it, too.
>
> Wouldn't this date from the Lily-Melrose era?
> I remember I saw in '91, I think...it was still 'new' then, so shouldn't
> it sound like what TD was doing at the time? Or is it quite different,
> compared to stuff like _L'Affaire Wallraff_?
I do believe it's late 80s/early 90s, in the vein of The Man Inside and
Dead Solid Perfect (Riley's favorite!), and just as good.
E-Man
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Subject: live concerts on tape...
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Really-From: TradinCrds
is anyone out there willing to trade some tapes with me??
i have several 1000 live tapes of many many bands.. but very little
td... and i am interested in getting anything i can.. that is of
excellent quality...
also.. does anyone know if there are any pro shot live videos
that are in the collectors circles?? i know of one..
sights and sounds fest eng 81 40mins
are there others?? if so.. can anyone help me obtain some
for myself.. ?? im in the usa.. so i need em on ntsc vhs only...
and im only interested in pro shot shows.. of vg or better
quality...
thanks for ur help... whoever writes... in advance..
note...
check out my web page..
http://members.aol.com/mediajunki/page1.html
there is one link.. at the bottom.. for those psychedelic image
lovers out there... i have 1100 more of such images..
lastly... i have a book that i got about 8 yrs ago..
that was immense.. and dealt with td and all the material
that they had done... each page was devoted to an lp or cd...
and there was a wealth of info in it.. i think it went for $50 or so
but i got it used and unexpectedly for $5 or less...
has this book been reissued.. or updated??
does anyone know where i can get a newer version of it?
thanks for ur time...
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Subject: Re: YES in ATLANTA ??????
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Really-From: SRiser3600
ahhhhhhh 'YES' on of my all time favs...
I've seen them 11 times over the years..
I would watch for them too.
But I have seen nothing on them either coming to Atlanta
anyone know any REAL details on this or just hearsay????
Steve
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Subject: What's On?
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Really-From: Mark Fonda
What's on tap for TD these days? They canceled (or never even planned on
having?) the US tour this summer... thanks for nothing Miramar! I thought I
read that Linda Spa and Zlatko Perica were dropped from the line-up, but they
were still with them in the October/November UK Tour? So if they toured this
year, would they need to recruit new band members? If so, what direction
would that take them?
Edgar and Jerome are currently consumed with studio work... remixing and
remastering all the upcoming releases of the older material, I presume...
or are there any new studio releases planned this year?? I see they
moved their studio to another location in Berlin... any idea why? They are
now on the TDI Music label and they are considering releasing music by other
artists... any hints of who?
Is Edgar going to retire anytime soon? If so, what would Jerome do with the
'group'?
I really don't see anything on either the Official TD Homepage or members'
webpages or even the Dream Collector newsletter concerning any of this...
or if it is, maybe this would be a good thread to start again here?!
Regards,
Mark
American/Male/Scorpio(10-24-56)... first heard TD in 1975 (Rubycon)
np: Ashra - Sauce Hollandaise
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>
>If anyone want's this one, hot of the press, then mail me
>off list please. If you've had the others, you'll get this one
>automatically.
This MIDI file is really awesome. You guys need to listen to this. May I
suggest 'WinGroove Player' for Win95/NT? If you don't have one of those
fancy soundcards which have a megabyte of sound samples on it, this card
plays MIDI files with a huge library of sound samples.
Morgan
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Subject: Happy Easter (no TD)
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Greeting all!
I would just like to wish everyone a most Happy Easter! May this day indeed
bring new beginnings to us all!
goozer
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
'He came to pay a debt He didn't owe,
because we owed a debt we couldn't pay.'
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Date: Sun Apr 12, 1998 3:51
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Subject: sorry and other
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Really-From: NAdams43
to lawrence edward simm i herby formerly apologise in front of witnesses, for
calling you a girl.
Right that out the way, ive just got hold of a copy of mark shreeves
red shift ether and i can honestly say if anyone is dithering over getting
this then stop it and buy it now, you will not be disapointed honest it is
shit hot.also got a copy of peter mergeners instinctive traveller,another
great album.
i am after a couple of dream boots called phaedream and absulutely
mesmorised can anyone help.
regards nick
fave albums ricochet and cyclone b side
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Greetings all-
Well, I know for certain that four of them are the Private Music releases!
goozer (stirring the pot...)
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'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring
at the line between black & white for
so long that their vision has blurred.'
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
>
> Well, I know for certain that four of them are the Private Music
releases!
Well, ain't that friggin' fine 'n' dandy! OR, MM, LotB, & Melrose: been
there, done that!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> goozer (stirring the pot...)
E-Man (nukin' the Maruchan...)
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Subject: Pretenders to the Throne??
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Really-From: 'ashok prema'
Over the last few days, I've been decorating the place - kids and wife sent
away to her mothers......so it gave me an opportunity to listen to lots of
cd's.
I went through RMI, Redshift, TD (of course), Pink Floyd (Wow!! - this
music really stands the test of time - 'Wish You Were Here' - was magical
and 'The Wall' - powerful!! ), Camel and other more obscure sounds.
Of the TD, I went through Ricochet, Cyclone, Tangram, Stratosphere, and
then switched to cassettes of Melbourne 75, Albert Hall 76 and a few more.
Whilst listening to the comparative (relatively speaking) sounds of
Redshift and TD, I couldn't help thinking that Redshift was SO
professionally produced and contained brilliant sequencing etc,
technically superb, yet for all that I couldn't get the nagging thought
out of my head that it was an imitation of TD and that put side by side,
TD's early music had that certain SOMETHING which for me captured the
spirit - maybe it was because I well remember listening to the TD tapes in
my first flat when I had music wired to the bedrooms and was woken up by the
birdcall and flute start of Liverpool 76, and how passionate I was about
those concerts - I don't know! The question I asked was - WAS TD 76
actually better than Redshift 1997/8, or is it merely my perception. Is
Redshift merely a pretender to the throne or does it actually produce
superior music to TD in their heydays??
This brings me to a second point - after the great debate about using
pre-sets etc - after hearing Redshift - and Ricochet - it seemed to me
that BOTH used a typically sounding Moog sound - I mean - instantly you
KNOW thats a Moog! - So isn't that the same as using a pre-set?? (I accept
that one Moog sound varies from another - indeed, the same sound varies from
day to day, hour to hour - but not to the point that you dont know which
sound it is and where its coming from!.
Anybody else care to explain their thoughts on TD vs Redshift??
Ash
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feldon@p... wrote:
> This MIDI file is really awesome. You guys need to listen to this.
Totally agree. Very well done, Lawry!
> May I
> suggest 'WinGroove Player' for Win95/NT? If you don't have one of those
> fancy soundcards which have a megabyte of sound samples on it, this card
> plays MIDI files with a huge library of sound samples.
Another alternative is the Yamaha soft synth S-YXG50. This software
'converts' any cheap 16-bit sound card into a high quality midi playback
system, XG/GM/TG300B compatible, but you'll need at least a Pentium 166.
See details at
http://www.yamaha.co.jp/english/xg/s-synth/syxg50/yxg50_e.html
Antonio
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Subject: SMD and Gold Collection CD w/Streethawk
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Really-From: Vic Rek
Hi Dreamers,
Just last week I received a mailer from SMD (Synth Music Direct) with a
TD and related sale from David Law's private collection. Many nice
items were (and maybe still are) there! What caught my interest was the
'VA - Gold Collection CD with Streethawk' on it. This has been on my
want list for quite a while. So I wonder if anyone on this list beat me
to this item and if so, would they be willing to trade it for something
that will make it worth their while?!? Anyone else willing to part with
this sampler CD? Any help greatly appreciated :-)
BTW, my server was down for a few days due to the tornado that hit the
South. I went driving this weekend through central Georgia and saw a
section of forest (and some homes) just ripped to shreds by these
powerful winds. Pictures can barely capture the devestation. I hope I
never have to deal with a tornado face-to-face, I'll stick to Tournado
instead ;-)
Vic
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Really-From: feldon@p...
Well, I definately know where Lawrysimm got his sources for Tangram and
Force Majeure... These are the Tangentized versions from the Tangents boxed
set if my ears do not deceive me. They are excellent work...
Morgan
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> Hmm, I believe Levi's were invented by someone of that
name in New York
>for the purpose of giving cowboys a tougher pair of pants to
wear on their
>long trail drives. At that time California would have been part
of Mexico. I
>think.
The story I always heard was that Levi Strauss went west with a
wagon load of canvas to make & sell tents. After riding that long
distance, he discovered his pants would wear out rather quickly, and so
decided to make pants with his canvas instead. Originally, they had a
rivet in the center of the crotch, but when cowboys would sit around the
campfire, the rivet would heat up and burn what made the cowboys boys.
Thus, Herr Strauss got rid of the crotch rivet.
> Now how to make this relate to TD? Well, to continue
another thread I
>could swear I saw Mr. Froese hot walking horses at Hialeah. 8-)
Dell
Well, Strauss was German, and TD wore a lot of jeans. . .
Scott
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>> Well, I know for certain that four of them are the Private
Music
>releases!
>Well, ain't that friggin' fine 'n' dandy! OR, MM, LotB, &
Melrose: been
>there, done that!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't get yer panties in a bunch, Eli, I doubt even Ed knows
what's going to on those CD's. I think they just said that to keep
drawing people to their site for info. Unless they're releasing stuff
completely as-is, unmodified, etc., I don't think they'd have the time
to release 25 CD's-worth of material.
I just hope one of them contains the lost 45 min. from Sorceror.
Scott
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>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>BTW, my server was down for a few days due to the tornado that hit the
>South. I went driving this weekend through central Georgia and saw a
>section of forest (and some homes) just ripped to shreds by these
>powerful winds. Pictures can barely capture the devestation. I hope I
>never have to deal with a tornado face-to-face, I'll stick to Tournado
>instead ;-)
I really can't imagine how I would feel, when my home is blown away.
Everything gone, pictures/memories from the past, all synthesizers and
equipment gone (argh).
Thank god, there aren't any tornado's here. We've got windforce 12
or 13 a couple of times.
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> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> I really can't imagine how I would feel, when my home is blown away.
> Everything gone, pictures/memories from the past, all synthesizers and
> equipment gone (argh).
> Thank god, there aren't any tornado's here. We've got windforce 12
> or 13 a couple of times.
Yes, I may have to build a basement or move my collection at least
downstairs. But if I was unfortunate enough to get hit by one then once
the storm passed there would be TD stuff strewn all over the South,
maybe some of it even still playable. I bet TD sales here would then
pick up as these people discovered this strange music that dropped from
the sky (as I was franticaly scanning all the used CD shops).... I
guess TD would have to come here and stage a benefit concert?
Kind of reminds me of that time when Edgar dropped from a helicopter 3
crates of 'Exit' LPs (each containing 1000 copies) around the Moscow
metro area ;-)
Keep dreaming...
Vic
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Questions questions.... :-)
> I thought I read that Linda Spa and Zlatko Perica were dropped
> from the line-up, but they were still with them in the October/November
> UK Tour?
Linda Spa has indeed gone, and she did not tour with TD in the UK.
The Z-Man was still there though.
> Edgar and Jerome are currently consumed with studio work...
> remixing and remastering all the upcoming releases of the
> older material, I presume... or are there any new studio releases
> planned this year??
From what I hear, there are 2 new studio release planned this year
along with all the reissues/remasters/live shows/soundtracks that are
supposed to see the light of day too.
> They are now on the TDI Music label and they are considering releasing
> music by other artists... any hints of who?
Johannes Schmoelling for one. Giving rise to the rumour that JS is to
rejoin TD for a new collaboration. If you ask me though, that's a big load
of bollocks.
> Is Edgar going to retire anytime soon? If so, what would Jerome do
> with the 'group'?
Ed claims to be retiring in the year 2000. Hopefully, in the direction
Jerome
has hinted at through some of the recent TD releases, and through his
one off radio show.
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>Kind of reminds me of that time when Edgar dropped from a
helicopter 3
>crates of 'Exit' LPs (each containing 1000 copies) around the
Moscow
>metro area ;-)
Huh? Is this true?
Scott
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>Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
>> They are now on the TDI Music label and they are considering releasing
>> music by other artists... any hints of who?
>
>Johannes Schmoelling for one. Giving rise to the rumour that JS is to
>rejoin TD for a new collaboration. If you ask me though, that's a big load
>of bollocks.
Hmm, I don't think that would happen. Although it would have been very very
nice if it was true. Now if they only can find a third person to make it
complete
again :-)
And buy some new technology (virtual synths etc....) and maybe then they
will
be playing some good music again. (all in my opinion!!!)
Marcel
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>> Well, I know for certain that four of them are the Private Music
>releases!
>Well, ain't that friggin' fine 'n' dandy! OR, MM, LotB, & Melrose: been
>there, done that!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe that those titles have been deleted from the Private Music lists,
(i.e., they're no longer being pressed), so anyone who just started
listening to TD and wanted to have these albums might have an
easier time of finding them...
- jim
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On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
>
> Questions questions.... :-)
>
> > I thought I read that Linda Spa and Zlatko Perica were dropped
> > from the line-up, but they were still with them in the October/November
> > UK Tour?
>
> Linda Spa has indeed gone, and she did not tour with TD in the UK.
> The Z-Man was still there though.
Zlatko rejoined TD after a 2-3 year hiatus. Seriously, though, I think
he fits in better with the new TD direction than Linda ever did. Her
performance at the '96 London concert, was, IMO, a key factor in her
'dismissal'.
> > Edgar and Jerome are currently consumed with studio work...
> > remixing and remastering all the upcoming releases of the
> > older material, I presume... or are there any new studio releases
> > planned this year??
>
> >From what I hear, there are 2 new studio release planned this year
> along with all the reissues/remasters/live shows/soundtracks that are
> supposed to see the light of day too.
>
> > They are now on the TDI Music label and they are considering releasing
> > music by other artists... any hints of who?
>
> Johannes Schmoelling for one. Giving rise to the rumour that JS is to
> rejoin TD for a new collaboration. If you ask me though, that's a big load
> of bollocks.
WHAAAAAT???? Where did you hear THAT one, Lawry?
I'm sorry, but I just can't picture Johannes getting along *in* the new TD.
Even if Jerome might be a pleasure to work *with*, Johannes simply has no
groove in him (as much as I respect what he has done). If there is one
ex-TD musician who is supremely maladapted to Jerome's
compositional tendencies, it's Johannes. Paul Haslinger I could
definitely see working. Franke....maybe. Baumann...if he could remember
what to do with a synth. But Johannes???
(cue picture of Dream Mixes III--feature track '3 A.M. at the Virtual
Chipmunk Rave')
> Regards
> Lawry
> lawrysimm@u...
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>Really-From: 'ashok prema'
>The question I asked was - WAS TD 76 actually better than Redshift 1997/8,
> or is it merely my perception.
What exactly are you asking ?
The production of Redshift is surely better than the old TD stuff,
no surprise as it´s produced 20 years later, bloke !
Musically the TD stuff was almost improvised rather than composed
(Ricochet/Encore) as in the case of some of the Redshift tracks.
Even Redshifts sequences are *composed* and musically
more interesting/varied than the old TD stuff, IMO.
I prefer the original to the imitation, though.
Maybe because of the improvised guitar solos like on
Coldwater Canyon.
On the other hand I agree, Ether is a stunner !
>This brings me to a second point - after the great debate about using
>pre-sets etc - after hearing Redshift - and Ricochet - it seemed to me
>that BOTH used a typically sounding Moog sound - I mean - instantly you
>KNOW thats a Moog! - So isn't that the same as using a pre-set?? (I accept
>that one Moog sound varies from another - indeed, the same sound varies from
>day to day, hour to hour - but not to the point that you dont know which
>sound it is and where its coming from!.
Err. Do you mean all the sequences are from a Moog Modular ?
Nope. The Moog modular system is able to provide a single 8 step
sequence, TD used two systems, Redshift one.
The Moog is used for the enormous base line sequences of Ricochet/Ether, btw.
What do you think TD did with their other sequencers ?
Used on Encore:
Modular Moog (2*),
Projekt Elektronic Sequencer (2*),
Computerstudio digital sequencer,
Oberheim sequencer-
I don´t know what other sequencers Redshift were using,
but Mark Shreeve used a 19'' rack full of modules incl. Sequencers
during the ARC concert in Huizen/Netherlands.
Maybe the booklet of the next Redshift release on *your*
Champagner Lake label will offer a gearlist to enlighten
the anoraks in our midst. ;)
Speaking of presets I agree with you, btw.
>Anybody else care to explain their thoughts on TD vs Redshift??
Mmh, there´s no TD vs Redshift.
Redshifts output is way better than all the stuff TD released after 1984 (all
IMO).
But there are many more excellent *retro* acts like AirSculpture
(improvised!),
ARC (completely composed), FSP, Node (scary), Stephen Parsick, RAMP, RMI (lack
of melodies), UtD, btw.
Others like The Nightcrawlers and Dwellers of the T... aren´t that good, IMHO.
Even JMJ *imitates* his own style of the 70s, I doubt
that TD will ever release a retro album, though.
Kind Regards
Jens
np: Ether... again and again..
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>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Subject: Pretenders to the Throne??
>Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:46:12 +0100
>Really-From: 'ashok prema'
>
>Whilst listening to the comparative (relatively speaking) sounds of
>Redshift and TD, I couldn't help thinking that Redshift was SO
>professionally produced and contained brilliant sequencing etc,
>technically superb, yet for all that I couldn't get the nagging thought
>out of my head that it was an imitation of TD and that put side by side,
>TD's early music had that certain SOMETHING which for me captured the
>spirit [. . .]
Of *course* it's an imitation of TD (1974 era TD for the first album
and 1974-1977, 1983 era TD for the second album)! Did you ever think
otherwise?!?!?
That's why info about these CDs has been and will continue to be
posted here, and why lotsa folks buy them and are as happy as pigs in
shit about it: because it's great. For those pining for 'old style' TD,
this is the best prior-era TD retread this side of OASIS!
>[. . .] Was TD 76 actually better than Redshift 1997/8, or is it merely
my perception. Is Redshift merely a pretender to the throne or does it
>actually produce superior music to TD in their heydays??
Sounds like flamebait to me! ;) Seriously, though, play some of
the tape tree live tapes from the 1975-1977 period, and you'll see that
Redshift is a good copy, but not an improvement. Still, one wonders how
many tapes of the tape tree sort Mark Shreeve (the leader of Redshift,
for those who don't know) and company have heard and committed to memory.
>Anybody else care to explain their thoughts on TD vs Redshift??
Errr . . . both are great. I know: lame. But that's how I feel
about it.
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Subject: Re: Pretenders to the Throne??
>Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:23:21 +0200
>Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>I prefer the original to the imitation, though. Maybe because of the
>improvised guitar solos like on Coldwater Canyon.
>
>On the other hand I agree, Ether is a stunner !
Yep. When the closing guitar sequence began near the end of the
(twenty-seven-minute-long!) title track, my jaw was on the floor.
>>Anybody else care to explain their thoughts on TD vs Redshift??
>
>Mmh, there's no TD vs Redshift.
>Redshift's output is way better than all the stuff TD released after
>1984 (all IMO).
I take it you don't like MELROSE, DEAD SOLID PERFECT, THE DREAM
MIXES, and OASIS, then.
>Others like The Nightcrawlers and Dwellers of the T... aren't that
>good, IMHO.
How much Nightcrawlers have you heard? Their third album (which is
on their TRAVELLING BACKWARDS CD) and many of their mid-to-late 1980's
cassettes are really good. In fact, I would rank 'Crawlers cassettes
like MIDWINTER DAYDREAM, EVENING REPOSE, 2031 AD, and CYBERSUN 231 up
there with Eno's best and would place them not too much lower than --
dare I say it? -- RUBYCON and EPSILON IN MALYSIAN PALE. When it comes
to the drifty, abstract, spacey stuff, the Nightcrawlers often beat out
TD -- with the exception of 'Desert Dream' (ENCORE) and 'Remote Viewing'
EXIT) -- and *certainly* Redshift. (How's *them* fer fightin' words?)
>np: Ether... again and again..
I know what you mean.
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Speaking of the twisters...anyone hear from our Alabama contingent yet?
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Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Splittin' Hairs Agin'
Hi,
I just received copies of Redshift's ETHER and the Champagne Lake
Records sampler, IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE? the other day (Thanks Ash!)
and noticed that the excerpt of ETHER on the sampler is listed as being
a track that was slated for inclusion on an upcoming release -- and yet,
here's some data that seems to contradict this:
o From the Champagne Lake Records sampler, IS HERE ANYBODY OUT THERE?:
'Ether' (excerpt), by Redshift 7:32
Live at Jodrell Bank Dec '96
o From the second Redshift album, ETHER:
'Ether' [the title track] 27:29
Recorded live at the Jodrell Bank Planetarium 7.12.96
So, December 1996 is listed on the sampler, while July 12, 1996 is
listed on Redshift's second album (ETHER). Has this been discussed
before?
-- Steven Feldman
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
The first Redshift album, called REDSHIFT, sounds moslty like a
combination of PHAEDRA and RUBYCON, but with kick-ass guitar dissimilar
to that of 'Coldwater Canyon' from ENCORE.
The second Redshift album, ETHER -- which I've only listened to
*parts* of *once* (that's right, I have yet to play it all the way
through . . . Lars!) -- sounds like mostly like RICOCHET, but with parts
of PHAEDRA, RUBYCON and . . . HYPERBOREA?!? Yes, it's true. There are
sounds and passages much like 'Sphinx Lightning' on ETHER!
Hell, I really should play this sucker from beginning to end when
I get home. Even though I hate wearing headphones, I think I'll put
them on and crank the volume for this sucker.
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WHERE CAN ONE FIND THESE????
ARE THEY REGULAR RELEASES??
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>ahhhhhhh 'YES' on of my all time favs...
>I've seen them 11 times over the years..
>I would watch for them too.
>But I have seen nothing on them either coming to Atlanta
>anyone know any REAL details on this or just hearsay????
>
>Steve
>
YES will be at Chastain Park on August 6th. There has been no information
released on when tickets will go on sale (possibly mid-April). Tentative
opening act is Alan Parsons.
Yes alumni Billy Sherwood will join Jon, Steve, Chris, and Alan on this
tour to promote Open Your Eyes, available now with a surround sound version
available in March/May. In addition Igor 'Ivan' Khoroshev is playing
keyboards on this new album and current world tour.
Need any more info??
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I've noticed that everyone here has been a fan of TD for many years and is
thusly put off by any of the new music. I don't believe the new music is
any better or worse than the old music, IMVHO, of course. After all, it
was the new music that attracted me to TD in the first place. And I still
haven't been exposed to a whole lot of the old music. Yet I still love TD.
My favorite CD would have to be ToB. And I started with Legend, which
would be my next favorite. My extremely small (but growing as I have the
$$$) collection consists of Canyon Dreams, 220 Volt Live, Rockoon, Goblin's
Club, Turn of the Tides, Private Music, Dream Mixes 2, and the 2 I
mentioned above. Through a friend of mine, I have been exposed to some of
the older stuff as well, like Rubycon and Phaedra.
It's all in your perception. And I do realize that perception is 99% of
reality. True, the new stuff is different, but that's all it
is...different. Give the new stuff a break... you might find you actually
enjoy it. I certainly have.
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>Really-From: Vicky Rudd
>It's all in your perception. And I do realize that perception is 99% of
>reality. True, the new stuff is different, but that's all it
>is...different. Give the new stuff a break... you might find you actually
>enjoy it. I certainly have.
Very well stated, but it takes time for some of us... Please be patient -
it's a virtue, really :)
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OK, I've held back long enough on this. Even though I'll offend some friends
and fellow listeners, I just have to say that I really don't give a crap
about Redshift or Mark Shreeve on this list. I listen to both these artists
but I'm tired of hearing all this comparison stuff between them and TD.
They're all very good, but TD is still the best... Shreeve is
electronic-rock and Redshift is his hope to gain confidence from the salty
ole EM crowd; but I'm not biting, not yet at least :-) Too much beat, then
'ahhhhhhhh' then beat, then beat then 'aahhhh' then space,,,, I'm just tired
of this stuff. I think I'm starting to like Dream Mixes TOO!
Later,
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> OK, I've held back long enough on this. Even though I'll offend some friends
> and fellow listeners, I just have to say that I really don't give a crap
> about Redshift or Mark Shreeve on this list. I listen to both these artists
> but I'm tired of hearing all this comparison stuff between them and TD.
> They're all very good, but TD is still the best... Shreeve is
> electronic-rock and Redshift is his hope to gain confidence from the salty
> ole EM crowd; but I'm not biting, not yet at least :-) Too much beat, then
> 'ahhhhhhhh' then beat, then beat then 'aahhhh' then space,,,, I'm just tired
> of this stuff. I think I'm starting to like Dream Mixes TOO!
>
> Later,
> Vic
Hehheh, Vic's getting old in his age..er...I mean..heh heh. To compare
TD & Shreeve is, I must admit, pretty lame. It's like comparing Cheap
Trick's cover of Elvis' 'Don't Be Cruel'. Same song, different era,
they're both good in different aspects but one thing will always
remain...the original is the classic and is almost always the best. To
sit around & compare two songs done 20 years apart is, IMO, just plain
useless. It's a cover...nothing more. It's just adding chocolate on your
sundae instead of marshmellow. Both sundaes, different toppings...but
you still can predominantly taste the ice cream over the toppings. Now,
what the hell did I just say?? ;-p
Dano
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> Really-From: SRiser3600
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> WHERE CAN ONE FIND THESE????
> ARE THEY REGULAR RELEASES??
http://www.eurock.com
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> >Subject: Pretenders to the Throne??
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I prefer the line 'Defenders of the Faith,' to borrow J.P.'s album title
:-)
::E::
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At 08:14 PM 4/13/1998 -0500, goozer graciously wrote:
>
>Speaking of the twisters...anyone hear from our Alabama contingent yet?
We are fine. Thanks for asking. It is appreciated.
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>Really-From: Vicky Rudd
>
>
>I've noticed that everyone here has been a fan of TD for many years and is
>thusly put off by any of the new music.
Nah, I´m not put off by their new music, just prefer the older stuff.
I´ve discovered TD (and KS, Ashra, JMJ) in 1979 at the age of 13, bought
my first synth with 14. I´ve been pre-programed by their music. ;-)
>It's all in your perception. And I do realize that perception is 99% of
>reality. True, the new stuff is different, but that's all it
>is...different.
Quite, pre-programed perception.
> Give the new stuff a break... you might find you actually enjoy it.
Well, I wouldn´t stay on this list if their 90s stuff *would* be crap in my
pocket.
Keep on dreaming
Jens
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>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>>Redshift's output is way better than all the stuff TD released after
>>1984 (all IMO).
>
> I take it you don't like MELROSE, DEAD SOLID PERFECT, THE DREAM
>MIXES, and OASIS, then.
Nah, I just prefer Ricochet, Encore, Tangram and Poland, that´s all.
Speaking of imitations, well, 'The Dream Mixes' is an imitation of
modern 90s EM with Trance/Techno elements. Nicely done,
perfectly produced, but not as asskicking as such a hybrid can be.
(I prefer DMI/II to JMJ´s techno remixes (yuk!), btw.)
Ever heard Mind~Flux´s 'Trancefloor' from 1994 ?
I´m a bit biased, I know....
'Oasis' actually is 'Canyon Dreams II', both are excellent, IMO.
Excellent yes, classics no !
>>Others like The Nightcrawlers and Dwellers of the T... aren't that
>>good, IMHO.
>
> How much Nightcrawlers have you heard?
The 2CD set 'Travelling backwards'.
>Their third album (which is on their TRAVELLING BACKWARDS CD) and many
>of their mid-to-late 1980's cassettes are really good. In fact, I would rank
'Crawlers cassettes
>like MIDWINTER DAYDREAM, EVENING REPOSE, 2031 AD, and CYBERSUN 231 up
>there with Eno's best
I´m not a huge fan of Eno, that´s maybe the reason why
I don´t *love* the slow experimental bits of 'Travelling Backwards'.
Sorry for the off topic stuff, Vic (and others).
Back to the most interesting topics of the last weeks:
'birthday permutations', 'I have a penis, am I an alien ?',
'Canuckle-Heads and other nationalities'.
Let´s guess if the re-releases of TD´s Private Music stuff will have
bonus tracks or not !
Kind regards
Jens
np: The Nightcrawlers: Traveling backwards (Modulus 4 and Tanzwut ARE good, IMO)
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Really-From: DAVENTURA
OK, here's my three cents worth. Inflation, you know. I have yet to hear any
Shreeve or Redshift. Someone was supposed to send me a tape, can't remember
who. Comparisons aside, I can't see why we must debate these facts. I prefer
chocolate ice cream to vanilla, but you can eat all the vanilla you like. My
life does not revolve around Tangerine Dream. I must admit that, at any given
time, there is more TD in my CD player than any other band, but I still listen
to other artists. To make comparisons, to me, is pointless. Sure Rush is
like Triumph and they both have 3 members and both are from Canada, but that's
where the similarities end. Kraft macaroni and cheese is better than generic,
but hey, if all you can afford is the facsimile, enjoy it. Tangerine Dream is
THE pioneer, or at least, they used to be. Sure, we can fight about which TD
era is the best, but we all know that when Johannes left, it was the beginning
of the end. No offense to Baby Jerome, but hey buddy, you're no Chris Franke.
That being said, I encourage people to listen to other artists and to draw
their own conclusions. To say this band is better than that band is an
exercise in futility. Of course, that's just my wife's opinion, and she can't
be wrong....David
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> Really-From: DAVENTURA
>
> OK, here's my three cents worth. Inflation, you know. I have yet to
hear any
> Shreeve or Redshift. Someone was supposed to send me a tape, can't
remember
> who.
Me.
::E::
P.S. You're still going to get it :-)
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Really-From: Flemming Larsen
Jens Peschke wrote
>Nope. The Moog modular system is able to provide a single 8 step
>sequence,
Uhm, that depends on what modules you have in you Moog Modular.
The Moog Modular can easily produce 2 (or more) 8 step sequences.
All you need is two analog sequencer modules, and a Moog system
capable of playing polyphonic, which I think it was from the beginning.
In theory a Moog Modular can play as many sequences and notes at the same
time as you want. You decide ! It's a modular ;-)
Do you know the excact layout of TDs Moog systems perhabs ? ;-)
Flemming, Denmark.
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Hi tadreamers,
if there is no news, it's the time to create news... According to this motto,
some of the discussions of the last weeks have turned into a strange direction.
Most of the items which have caused the so-called 'speculations on the
forthcoming 25 TD albums' discussion on this list could be read in 'Dream
Collector' two months ago, so actually there should be no reason for
'speculations' or 'rumour'...
> I really don't see anything on either the Official TD Homepage or members'
> webpages or even the Dream Collector newsletter concerning any of this...
This is probably because both consider reliable facts only and do not take part
in the speculations on this Mailing List. By the way, a lot of the speculations
get pushed forward not only by people who have reliable information but also by
some who do not even read 'Dream Collector' but speculate about its contents.
This reminds me of acting like politicians: 'I do not know what the subject is,
but this does not matter as long as something to say comes to my mind...' ;-)
Perhaps it's the time to take the discussion back to a serious base. Thus, for
the first time, a whole 'Dream Collector' article can be read here, answering
questions or regarding statements from the Mailing List like these:
> Edgar and Jerome are currently consumed with studio work... remixing and
> remastering all the upcoming releases of the older material, I presume...
> or are there any new studio releases planned this year??
> I just hope one of them contains the lost 45 min. from Sorceror.
> Sources who wish to remain anonymous have informed me there will be at
> least two totally new (97-1998) albums of material in the upcoming bulk of
> releases..
> Well, I know for certain that four of them are the Private Music releases!
> Don't get yer panties in a bunch, Eli, I doubt even Ed knows
> what's going to on those CD's. I think they just said that to keep
> drawing people to their site for info. Unless they're releasing stuff
> completely as-is, unmodified, etc., I don't think they'd have the time
> to release 25 CD's-worth of material.
> Edgar and Jerome are currently consumed with studio work...
> remixing and remastering all the upcoming releases of the
> older material, I presume... or are there any new studio releases
> planned this year??
> From what I hear, there are 2 new studio release planned this year
> along with all the reissues/remasters/live shows/soundtracks that are
> supposed to see the light of day too.
--- Quote from 'Dream Collector' #21, February, 16th (!), 1998 --->
25 CDs to be out soon
TDI label offers old and rare material
TD collectors, 1998 turns out to be an interesting and expensive year...
Tangerine Dream's new Berlin based label TDI Music will release some 36 CDs
containing well-known and rare old as well as new material, Edgar and Jerome
Froese said to Dream Collector in Berlin. The TDI catalogue scheduled for the
next few months announces some 25 CDs. About half of them are re-releases of TD
material mostly recorded in the nineties; most of the other CDs feature
previously unreleased compositions from earlier times, including a lot of live
rarities. The TDI Music catalogue is subdivided into the following periods:
- The pink years: unreleased material from the very early TD decade 1970-1973.
- The Virgin years: unreleased concert performances and rehearsal material from
1974-1984.
- The Hollywood years: Unreleased material from productions which never saw
daylight or were not used by the director's request.
- The Private years: All of TD's albums recorded with Private Music, the
company
of former band member Peter Baumann, in 1988-1990. The rights have been
reverted
back to TD.
- The Seattle years: Material from 1991-1995 which had been released in the USA
by the Seattle based Miramar company.
- The millenium years: 'As this century draws to a close, we find the band in a
more creative mood than ever', the TDI promotion flyer says. This period will
feature new material.
On TDI's first promo sheet, the following CDs have been announced:
Back catalogue
- Optical Race (1988)
- Lily on the beach (1989)
- Dream Mixes Vol. I (2-CD-version by TDI, 1995)
- Melrose (1990)
- Rockoon (1991)
- 220 Volt live (1992)
- Turn of the tides (1993)
- Tyranny of beauty (1994)
- Oasis (1997)
- Tournado - Live in Europe (1997)
Old rarities
- Soundmill navigator - Live at the Philharmonics (Berlin concert, 1976)
- The Hollywood years Vol. I (unreleased soundtracks)
- The Hollywood years Vol. II
- Quinoa (extended Fan Club release, 1990)
- Live Dream Encores (encore music from various concerts)
- Sohoman - Live in Sydney (1983) [should be read: 1982]
- Antique Dreams (rare unreleased material 1970-1982)
- Twilight folder (rare unreleased material 1983-1997)
New material/compilations
- Ambient monkeys (pre-concert ambient background music, 1997)
- Time Square - Dream Mixes II (1997)
- Transsiberia (motion picture soundtrack, 1997)
- Atlantic walls (compilation I, 1988-1991)
- Atlantic bridges (compilation II, 1988-1991)
- Star trooper - The classical edge of Tangerine Dream (Mozart, Bach, Sibelius
played by TD, 1997)
- Lions share (new studio album, 1998).
The catalogue numbers of all these releases have not yet been published.
'Time Square - Dream Mixes II' should go on sale within the next days. 'Ambient
monkeys' and 'Transsiberia' should follow within the next weeks, TDI Music
announced. Pre-sale copies of 'Ambient monkeys' and 'Time Square' have already
been available at TD's merchandise stalls during their U.K. concerts in autumn
1997.
All of the new CDs do have abstract computer cover artwork based on ideas by
Edgar and Jerome Froese. Some of the well-known covers have been slightly
changed, especially the text types and layout.
With rights reverting and licenses expiring, the TDI Music catalogue will be
enlarged in future, Edgar and Jerome said. For example, one of the projects not
included in this 25-CD-list but scheduled for the first 36-CD-bulk is the
previously unavailable material for the soundtrack 'Forbidden' (German
original:
'Versteckt').
And more: TD have the idea also to release music by other artists on the TDI
Music label.
<--- End of quote ---
Regarding some more questions from the Mailing List:
> I see they moved their studio to another location in Berlin... any idea why?
Right now, the Tadream Production office and the studio are in one building in
Berlin. With the TDI activities, they need more room for the office, and thus
the studio has to move to another place.
> > They are now on the TDI Music label and they are considering releasing
> > music by other artists... any hints of who?
>
> Johannes Schmoelling for one. Giving rise to the rumour that JS is to
> rejoin TD for a new collaboration. If you ask me though, that's a big load
> of bollocks.
Ooh, stop that rumour! TDI will probably re-release some of Johannes
Schmoelling's music on their label, perhaps with some previously unreleased
tracks, but NO ONE has ever talked about Johannes re-joining the band.
Hope this helped to return the discussion to the serious information and to
stop
at least some of the speculations. Or, as Edgar would probably say: 'Focus the
facts...' ;-)
Peter Stoeferle
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Thanks Peter, how can I subscribe to this Dream Collector? Just wondering
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Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
Sharp on the heels of getting EF's Ages last week, I succumbed to the
temptation of buying The Pink Years this weekend. Don't ask why - the money was
burning a hole in my pocket.
Clearly, I knew what I was getting - I have (or had) all five albums which have
extracts on this compilation - Green Desert currently eludes my collection by
choice, having swapped it some time ago.
For those not familair with this fairly new (yet uncannily familiar) CD, it
features 8 tracks : 1 from Elecronic Meditation, 1 from Alpha Centauri, 1 from
Zeit, 2 from Atem and 3 from Green Desert. Two tracks are excerpts from their
respective full-length equivalents, and the others are presented in all their
short-lived glory. All tracks are in their 'original' form - that is, they are
tangentized and are not the same as appear on Dream Roots disk 1.
My biggest gripe over this album is the fact that it only runs 50 minutes.
Unless their planning a small vinyl release, I can see no reason for not
including another 20 minutes of music. This seems particularly strange given
that, as I said above, two tracks are excerpts.
Other than the over-use of GD tracks, I'd say those chosen work quite well, and
it's partially refreshing to see a compilation that doesn't have Wahn on it.
The liner notes, apparently written by Edgar (although he refers to TD in the
third-person rather than first-person) are interesting, and different from the
norm.
I guess The Blue Years will find its way into my collection shortly, despite
already being aware that it will be short and offer nothing new (except the
liner notes, I assume).
NP : Ether - is this really kicking up a fuss? - I can't see it myself, I was
listening to stuff like this twenty years ago! Oh well.
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tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
> > Really-From: SRiser3600
> >
> > WHERE CAN ONE FIND THESE????
> > ARE THEY REGULAR RELEASES??
>
> http://www.eurock.com
And, for those of us without web access... ?
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
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>Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Splittin' Hairs Agin'
>
>Hi,
> I just received copies of Redshift's ETHER and the Champagne Lake
>Records sampler, IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE? the other day (Thanks Ash!)
>and noticed that the excerpt of ETHER on the sampler is listed as being
>a track that was slated for inclusion on an upcoming release -- and yet,
>here's some data that seems to contradict this:
>
> o From the Champagne Lake Records sampler, IS HERE ANYBODY OUT THERE?:
> 'Ether' (excerpt), by Redshift 7:32
> Live at Jodrell Bank Dec '96
>
> o From the second Redshift album, ETHER:
> 'Ether' [the title track] 27:29
> Recorded live at the Jodrell Bank Planetarium 7.12.96
>
> So, December 1996 is listed on the sampler, while July 12, 1996 is
>listed on Redshift's second album (ETHER). Has this been discussed
>before?
>
> -- Steven Feldman
Slap my wrists if I'm wrong or insultin' yer intelligence, but couldn't it be
taken to mean 7th December 1996 in true Brit style?
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
Steven, Steven....
To us... 7.12.96 is 7th December 1996.
It's you Yanks that have got it all wrong! :-)
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> Really-From: feldon@p...
> Well, I definately know where Lawry got his sources for
> Tangram and Force Majeure... These are the Tangentized
> versions from the Tangents boxed set if my ears do not deceive
> me. They are excellent work...
> Morgan
> feldon@p...
Well spotted Morgan... do you want a prize or somthing? :-)
Anyway... as I'm not thrilled by my Stuntman one, I may have to
Tangentize it as in the Beyond The Storm version.
Am I the only person here that _actually prefers_ some of the
Tangents stuff to the original?
Lawry
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>>> They are now on the TDI Music label and they are considering releasing
>>> music by other artists... any hints of who?
>> Johannes Schmoelling for one. Giving rise to the rumour that JS is to
>> rejoin TD for a new collaboration. If you ask me though, that's a big
load
>> of bollocks.
>WHAAAAAT???? Where did you hear THAT one, Lawry?
TDI are due to release Schmoellings 'Zoo Of Tranquility'. That's the bit I
don't dispute. Other people (I think it must have been in the TD guestbook)
were discussing this as a sign of JS's possible return to TD. As I said
before though...I think that's a big load of bollocks.
Look's like I inadvertenly put the cat amongst the pigeons!
> Gabe
Lawry
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>Would you like to earn an extra $700 a week... $2,800 a month
just by
No.
Scott
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Really-From: TWeibre361
In a message dated 98-04-14 08:03:52 EDT, you write:
<< Sharp on the heels of getting EF's Ages last week, I succumbed to the
temptation of buying The Pink Years this weekend. Don't ask why - the money
was
burning a hole in my pocket.
>>
hehe...i did the same thing...good thing was, tower had/has it on sale for $
6.99...
tom w
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
>Really-From: Vicky Rudd
>
>I don't believe the new music is any better or worse than the old music,
IMVHO, of >course. After all, it was the new music that attracted me to TD
in the first place.
I find it rather paradoxical to say it, but on the basis of comparing with
the music/artists of its times, TD in the 90s may be even more outstanding
than TD in the 70s.
Of course, I still prefer TD in the 70s, well, the early 80s :)
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> Really-From: Vincent Goudreault
>
> > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> >
> > > Really-From: SRiser3600
> > >
> > > WHERE CAN ONE FIND THESE????
> > > ARE THEY REGULAR RELEASES??
> >
> > http://www.eurock.com
>
> And, for those of us without web access... ?
Give Archie Patterson, a.k.a. Eurock, a ring (or fax) at: 503-281-0247
Mailing address: P.O.B. 13718 Portland, Oregon 97213 USA
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> Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
> Steven, Steven....
>
> To us... 7.12.96 is 7th December 1996.
>
> It's you Yanks that have got it all wrong! :-)
Yo-yo: What day is it, today?
Ma: The 14th April. (Realizing how cumbersome it is to say it that way, Ma
resolves to pronounce it simply 'April 14' from now on.)
:-)
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>Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Splittin' Hairs Agin'
> Recorded live at the Jodrell Bank Planetarium 7.12.96
>
> So, December 1996 is listed on the sampler, while July 12, 1996 is
>listed on Redshift's second album (ETHER). Has this been discussed
>before?
It's been played, recorded, produced etc etc in Europe and these are
European dates. first day, then month and then year (from small to big,
makes sense to me :-))
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tadream mailing list wrote:
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> > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
> > Really-From: Vincent Goudreault
> >
> > > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> > >
> > > > Really-From: SRiser3600
> > > >
> > > > WHERE CAN ONE FIND THESE????
> > > > ARE THEY REGULAR RELEASES??
> > >
> > > http://www.eurock.com
> >
> > And, for those of us without web access... ?
>
> Give Archie Patterson, a.k.a. Eurock, a ring (or fax) at: 503-281-0247
> Mailing address: P.O.B. 13718 Portland, Oregon 97213 USA
>
> E-Man
Is there an e-mail address?
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Thanks for posting, Peter :-)
> Old rarities
> - Soundmill navigator - Live at the Philharmonics (Berlin concert, 1976)
> - The Hollywood years Vol. I (unreleased soundtracks)
> - The Hollywood years Vol. II
I got a woody over these!
> - Quinoa (extended Fan Club release, 1990)
Thought so...
> - Live Dream Encores (encore music from various concerts)
> - Sohoman - Live in Sydney (1983) [should be read: 1982]
Crying tears of joy over the ones above...
> - Antique Dreams (rare unreleased material 1970-1982)
> - Twilight folder (rare unreleased material 1983-1997)
These two will be undoubtedly be priceless, even if there may be a few dogs
in the bunch...
> New material/compilations
> - Ambient monkeys (pre-concert ambient background music, 1997)
> - Time Square - Dream Mixes II (1997)
> - Transsiberia (motion picture soundtrack, 1997)
> - Atlantic walls (compilation I, 1988-1991)
> - Atlantic bridges (compilation II, 1988-1991)
> - Star trooper - The classical edge of Tangerine Dream (Mozart, Bach,
Sibelius
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now THAT'S what I call a surprise!
> - Lions share (new studio album, 1998).
:-)
> included in this 25-CD-list but scheduled for the first 36-CD-bulk is the
> previously unavailable material for the soundtrack 'Forbidden' (German
original:
^^^^^^^^^^^
Schmoelling-era. 'Nuff said.
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Aha, the danger of the missing word :
>Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
[snip]
>All tracks are in their 'original' form - that is, they are
>tangentized and are not the same as appear on Dream Roots disk 1.
Yes, they are NOT (that is NOT) tangentized, and therefore are NOT (that is
NOT) the same as on Dream Roots disk 1. Sorry for any confusion caused by my
bad typing.
[another snip]
>Unless their planning a small vinyl release,
Yes, this should be 'they're' (that is THEY ARE) and not 'their'. Sorry for any
confusion caused by my lack of basic English grammar.
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> Really-From: Vincent Goudreault
>
> > > > http://www.eurock.com
> > >
> > > And, for those of us without web access... ?
> >
> > Give Archie Patterson, a.k.a. Eurock, a ring (or fax) at: 503-281-0247
> > Mailing address: P.O.B. 13718 Portland, Oregon 97213 USA
> >
>
> Is there an e-mail address?
Yes...sorry about that: apatters@t...
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>> > > WHERE CAN ONE FIND THESE????
>> > > ARE THEY REGULAR RELEASES??
>> >
>> > http://www.eurock.com
>>
>> And, for those of us without web access... ?
>
>Give Archie Patterson, a.k.a. Eurock, a ring (or fax) at: 503-281-0247
>Mailing address: P.O.B. 13718 Portland, Oregon 97213 USA
Oh, and while you're at it, you can order my 2CD package as well
from him. :-)
Just a thought.
Marcel
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>Really-From: Vincent Goudreault
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>> > > http://www.eurock.com
>
>Is there an e-mail address?
Yep, it's
apatters@t...
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(now, don't you forget to order my 2CD package from him! :-))
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Hi,
All the dialog about the REDSHIFT album got me interested enough to go
looking.
CD-NOW has it listed at $39.99 (They also list three other albums by other
artists with the same name).
Now, somebody tell me....is that a normal price? Is it a multi-CD set, is
CD-NOW out of line, or is it just bloody expensive?
Thanks.
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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At 14:29 199804.14 +0100, tadream mailing list wrote:
>Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>Am I the only person here that _actually prefers_ some of the
>Tangents stuff to the original?
No. I happen to like the Tangentized _No_Man's_Land_.
Pete
mailto:penfold@a...
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the
road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
-- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides
on which instruments to take on the road.
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> > - Antique Dreams (rare unreleased material 1970-1982)
OK, everyone, chant with me: Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror,
Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror. .
Scott
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>Really-From: 'John M. Poer'
>All the dialog about the REDSHIFT album got me interested enough to go
>looking.
>
>CD-NOW has it listed at $39.99 (They also list three other albums by other
>artists with the same name).
Wot ? That´s bloody expensive. http://www.eurock.com offers both
single CD albums (Redshift: Redshift & Redshift: Ether) for $18 each.
I got my Ether copy for about $16 (30 Guilders) at the last Alfa Centauri
festival,
which is quite cheap if you´re living in Europe. ;-)
FYI: Marcel Engels (aka FSP) set is offered for $22, don´t miss it !
J.P.
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>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>> > - Antique Dreams (rare unreleased material 1970-1982)
> OK, everyone, chant with me: Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror,
>Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror. .
Is the missing stuff *that* good ? Really love the Sorcerer OST but
never saw the movie. Someone (was that you ?) mentioned 45 minutes of unreleased
material.
Jens
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Thanks for being so open Peter, by making this information available to
everyone on the list. It seems that we will all be erecting an
additional shelf this year to hold the forthcoming deluge of shiny
aluminum disks emmenating from Berlin.
As for what's reputedly on the way (did you notice that 'The Keep' isn't
one of the 25 listed?)... Past experience leads me to believe that the
'Private Music' albums will indeed have bonus tracks. Especially since
they announce that the album artwork may be 'slightly changed'. But
perhaps these bonus tracks will also appear on the compilation disks.
> - Antique Dreams (rare unreleased material 1970-1982)
> - Twilight folder (rare unreleased material 1983-1997)
These items particularly intrigue me. Does this mean totally unreleased
(as in Dream Roots Disk 5) or just *rare* (like Ultima Thule)? Well,
either way, I'm not complaining!
> - Atlantic walls (compilation I, 1988-1991)
> - Atlantic bridges (compilation II, 1988-1991)
I presume that these are 'best of' collections for the Private Music
Years? Well, all this speculation will be put to an end soon enough.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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>>> > - Antique Dreams (rare unreleased material 1970-1982)
>> OK, everyone, chant with me: Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror,
>>Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror,
Sorceror. .
>Is the missing stuff *that* good ? Really love the Sorcerer OST
but
>never saw the movie. Someone (was that you ?) mentioned 45
minutes of unreleased
>material.
Well, everyone has to have their obsessions. Steven has the Keep
LP, I have the missing 45 min. of Sorceror. Of course, I have proof: the
back of the LP says htat they sent Friedkin a 90 minute tape. The LP is
45 minutes (roughly), leaving 45 minutes somewhere. The more I think
about it, though, the more I think that the tracks on the ST may just be
shortened versions of the originals.
Scott
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>Really-From: Stephen Yensen
>
>Slap my wrists if I'm wrong or insultin' yer intelligence, but couldn't it be
>taken to mean 7th December 1996 in true Brit style?
>
>
Yer beat me to it, Steve! Shouldn't get serious flames, Steve (Feldman's) just
being a typical Yank - viewing the world through star-striped glasses.
Remember folks, if you want to produce something for world-wide consumption,
make sure its recorded on or after the 13th of any month. That way, even the
Yanks should be able to work the date out.
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
No, sorry, they haven't been inducted yet. I dropped by there Saturday
evening to take in the laser show they projected on the side of the
building. Accompanying the show were dozens of brief snippets of songs.
Right after an excerpt of Pink Floyd's 'Money' was a brief cut from
'Betrayal!'
Scott E. Plumer
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> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
> > > - Antique Dreams (rare unreleased material 1970-1982)
> OK, everyone, chant with me: Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror,
> Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror, Sorceror. .
>
> Scott
Come to think of it, every album, or line-up, at the very least, seems to
have unreleased music from said session(s) 'tucked away.' Are 'Force
Majuere,' 'Cloudburst Flight,' and 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks' all that really
came out of the FORCE MAJUERE sessions? I hope not! Even if there's only
another scant portion of music unreleased by that brief F/F/Kruger line-up,
I want it. That would really be the icing on the cake for me. Otherwise,
that album remains 'perfect' in its electronic/prog hybrid state.
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> Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
>
> Remember folks, if you want to produce something for world-wide
consumption,
> make sure its recorded on or after the 13th of any month. That way, even
the
> Yanks should be able to work the date out.
Must you be so condescending toward Americans in your humor? By the way,
'Yank' is a *very* outdated term. If you're Scottish, then I'll refer to
you as Scottish (or British), while I'm American, or specifically
Californian, whichever you prefer.
::E::
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>> Remember folks, if you want to produce something for
world-wide
>consumption,
>> make sure its recorded on or after the 13th of any month.
That way, even
>the
>> Yanks should be able to work the date out.
>Must you be so condescending toward Americans in your humor? By
the way,
>'Yank' is a *very* outdated term. If you're Scottish, then I'll
refer to
>you as Scottish (or British), while I'm American, or
specifically
>Californian, whichever you prefer.
Gees, Eli, must be your time of the month! I don't care if the
Brits make fun of us, or call us Yanks. If we really wanted to get their
collective goat, there are plenty of opportunities. Let's not start an
international flame war, shall we?
Scott
>
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> >Must you be so condescending toward Americans in your humor? By
> the way,
> >'Yank' is a *very* outdated term. If you're Scottish, then I'll
> refer to
> >you as Scottish (or British), while I'm American, or
> specifically
> >Californian, whichever you prefer.
>
> Gees, Eli, must be your time of the month! I don't care if the
> Brits make fun of us, or call us Yanks. If we really wanted to get their
> collective goat, there are plenty of opportunities. Let's not start an
> international flame war, shall we?
>
> Scott
But...how do you know I *wasn't* joking around...as usual? ;-) ;-)
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At 11:38 PM 4/10/98 -0500, Andreas 'yeah, it's my harp--so what'? wrote:
>BTW, don't you think it is about time you returned all the original LPs and
>CDs of 'L'Affair Walraff?' I know we had our differences, but you can keep
>one of each. The rest are overdue. And 'The Keep' was mine, lest you,
>conveniently, forget it. Sheeesh...I sure could use Steven's $500 right now.
Andreas lovey,
I moved all those icky old boxes of 'The Keep' some time ago. I thought you
had some. I have a question--what should I do with those big cases marked
'TD-Stage Left', 'TD-Stage Right', and 'TD-Centre'? They are very heavy and
do take up SO much room! The only thing I have of ''L'Affair Walraff' are
two boxes marked 'master tape'. I assume they are worthless as your pledges
of love.
Michy
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At 09:07 PM 4/13/98 EDT, you wrote:
> o From the second Redshift album, ETHER:
> 'Ether' [the title track] 27:29
> Recorded live at the Jodrell Bank Planetarium 7.12.96
>
> So, December 1996 is listed on the sampler, while July 12, 1996 is
>listed on Redshift's second album (ETHER). Has this been discussed
>before?
Erm....might flip those numbers around, old boy, and you'll find it to be
Dec. 7, 1996.
Mike
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>Really-From: Flemming Larsen
[8 step sequencer Unit of the modular Moog]
>Uhm, that depends on what modules you have in you Moog Modular.
>The Moog Modular can easily produce 2 (or more) 8 step sequences.
>All you need is two analog sequencer modules, and a Moog system
>capable of playing polyphonic, which I think it was from the beginning.
You´re right, Flemming. Dunno how many units TD were using,
but Mark Shreeve´s Modular Moog has only a single 8 step unit,
at least the one I studied after the ARC gig. ;-)
If you´re interested to look at pictures of his MM system (and his other gear),
please ask off-list, this list should be anorak free zone. ;-)
Kind Regards
->J<-
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Really-From: 'A Blast from Molasar's Gauntlet'
Folks,
Admittedly, posting three different messages re Redshift as I did
was a tad excessive, but I wanted to separate the messages because of
their contents. Little did I realize what would happen.
I just slogged through six or seven replies to the 'What the Two
Redshift Albums Sound Like' thread that never once addressed what either
of these albums sound like!!! :( :( Jesus H. Christ, if you must
prattle on inanely, please at least change the header so that we can
all know that it's a flame and deal with it accordingly. When I make
a blatant flame, I tend to identify it as such, often putting the word
'flame' in the header, even. Basically, I consider flames to be optional
reading--and mostly expendable. Finding out what Redshift is like is an
important thing to those who might be thinking about spending the almost
$5.00 it would require to obtain them. Let's please try to make headers
match their contents, shall we?
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
I've mentioned this before, but since we've got Yes fans on this
list, now, I'll do so again: am I the only one who thinks that the Yes
song, 'Shoot High, Aim Low' (from their BIG GENERATOR album) has a hook
that presages the hook in Tangerine Dream's song, 'Twilight Brigrade'
(from their TURN OF THE TIDES album)? I love both songs, and so the
similarity between the hooks is not a source of displeasure, for me.
DISCLAIMER: I am generally not a Yes fan.
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Subject: Old TD vs. New TD
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>Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:27:52 -0400
>Subject: Re: New vs. Old
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Vicky Rudd
>
>I've noticed that everyone here has been a fan of TD for many years and
>is thusly put off by any of the new music. [. . .]
Not me. I greatly like TD from all periods except perhaps 'The
Pink Years,' which I tolerate more than actually like (sorta like how I
treat Klaus Schulze, hee hee).
>I don't believe the new music is any better or worse than the old music,
>IMVHO [. . .]
Well . . . yes and no. In many ways, TD's most recent albums
feature the most complex music the 'group' has ever produced.
> My favorite CD would have to be ToB. And I started with Legend, which
>would be my next favorite. [. . .]
Ouch. Those are two of Lars Jones's faves . . . and two of my
least fave. I find the cumulative effect of Hornby's guitar on TYRANNY
OF BEAUTY to be overwhelming--and not in a good way. As for LEGEND, I
admit that this album features some of the best production values to
grace a TD album this side of THE DREAM MIXES and GOBLINS' CLUB, but I
find the compositions uniformly lacking. (I am not a fan of Classical
music.)
Well, I've got my 'Desert Train,' and Lars has . . . LEGEND. ;)
>[. . .] My extremely small [. . .] collection consists of Canyon
>Dreams, 220 Volt Live, Rockoon, Goblin's Club, Turn of the Tides,
>Private Music, Dream Mixes 2, and the 2 I mentioned above. Through a
>friend of mine, I have been exposed to some of the older stuff as well,
>like Rubycon and Phaedra.
Try FORCE MAJEURE, TANGRAM, LOGOS, and LE PARC. They are all very
different and all high points of a sort. (A warning, though: I seem to
be in the minority in prefering LE PARC and the HEARTBREAKERS soundtrack
[the two albums are similar to each other] to the LEGEND soundtrack.)
>[. . .] I do realize that perception is 99% of reality. [. . .]
This statement is a dangerous generality and relatively meaningless
if one plays devil's advocate. If a tree falls in the forest and no one
is there to hear it, it does make a sound. The laws of physics will go
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In a message dated 98-04-14 07:09:38 EDT, you write:
<< Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (Peter Stoeferle)
Hi tadreamers,
if there is no news, it's the time to create news... According to this motto,
some of the discussions of the last weeks have turned into a strange
direction.
Most of the items which have caused the so-called 'speculations on the
forthcoming 25 TD albums' discussion on this list could be read in 'Dream
Collector' two months ago, so actually there should be no reason for
'speculations' or 'rumour'...
>>
Well, some people on this list (including me) do not subscribe to 'Dream
Collector' so it is news to us!!
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In a message dated 98-04-14 08:03:52 EDT, you write:
<< short-lived glory. All tracks are in their 'original' form - that is, they
are
tangentized and are not the same as appear on Dream Roots disk 1.
>>
If they are tangenized, how can they be in their 'original' form?
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> On TDI's first promo sheet, the following CDs have been announced:
>
> Back catalogue
> - Optical Race (1988)
> - Lily on the beach (1989)
> - Dream Mixes Vol. I (2-CD-version by TDI, 1995)
> - Melrose (1990)
> - Rockoon (1991)
> - 220 Volt live (1992)
> - Turn of the tides (1993)
> - Tyranny of beauty (1994)
> - Oasis (1997)
> - Tournado - Live in Europe (1997)
Alright, I'm opening myself up for some abuse for this (in all
probability), but I'm sure as hell hoping that there will be the
rumored 'missing tracks' from Melrose that supposedly were cut to get
the running time under an hour.
-B. Kirby
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> I've mentioned this before, but since we've got Yes fans on this
>list, now, I'll do so again: am I the only one who thinks that the Yes
>song, 'Shoot High, Aim Low' (from their BIG GENERATOR album) has a hook
>that presages the hook in Tangerine Dream's song, 'Twilight Brigrade'
>(from their TURN OF THE TIDES album)?
Yes.
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>
> FYI: Marcel Engels (aka FSP) set is offered for $22, don´t miss it !
>
> J.P.
Sheesh, you brits sure promote each other's work. ;-) Hey, don't forget
Decapolis, from the red, white & blue jazzmaster flash! Riley's got some
great stuff there. Don't let that over-done berlin school stuff clog
your brain so you forget about the emusic with a jazz twist! I listened
to Riley's CD when I was in PS visitng Eli & if you like Air Sculpture,
yer gonna love Decapolis, especially since Riley's CD is actual
music...not just a droning FX sweep with a barely noticable sequence in
the background.
Dano ;-)
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> Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
>
>
>
> > I've mentioned this before, but since we've got Yes fans on this
> >list, now, I'll do so again: am I the only one who thinks that the Yes
> >song, 'Shoot High, Aim Low' (from their BIG GENERATOR album) has a hook
> >that presages the hook in Tangerine Dream's song, 'Twilight Brigrade'
> >(from their TURN OF THE TIDES album)?
>
> Yes.
Hahahaha!!!!! I have to agree with Jimbo, Steve, I think you're in the
minority! I know 'Shoot High, Aim Low' backwards & forwards and I really
hear no similarities shared by the two tunes. Just my $0.01999999 cents...
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> Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby'
>
> > On TDI's first promo sheet, the following CDs have been announced:
> >
> > Back catalogue
> > - Optical Race (1988)
> > - Lily on the beach (1989)
> > - Dream Mixes Vol. I (2-CD-version by TDI, 1995)
> > - Melrose (1990)
> > - Rockoon (1991)
> > - 220 Volt live (1992)
> > - Turn of the tides (1993)
> > - Tyranny of beauty (1994)
> > - Oasis (1997)
> > - Tournado - Live in Europe (1997)
>
> Alright, I'm opening myself up for some abuse for this (in all
> probability), but I'm sure as hell hoping that there will be the
> rumored 'missing tracks' from Melrose that supposedly were cut to get
> the running time under an hour.
>
> -B. Kirby
I'm sure the unreleased stuff was the stuff that didn't actually eat
corn. Let's hope there are no more 'Turning of the Wheels' out
there...sheeeowwweee.
Dano
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> I'm sure the unreleased stuff was the stuff that didn't actually eat
> corn. Let's hope there are no more 'Turning of the Wheels' out
> there...sheeeowwweee.
Oh, you can be sure that there are plenty of those in the TD vaults! Yet,
I remain...cautiously optimistic. It could well be that there were pieces
cut from albums over the years because they just didn't fit in with the
other songs. Heh heh...what if they did an all-analogue Rubycon sequel in
1988 and shelved it because it would have seemed out of place on 'Optical
Race'?
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> Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
>
> I'm sure the unreleased stuff was the stuff that didn't actually eat
> corn. Let's hope there are no more 'Turning of the Wheels' out
> there...sheeeowwweee.
>
> Dano
I'm hoping/praying for more knockoffs a la 'Turning,' 'Twin Soul Tribe,'
'Gecko'....hehe.
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> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
> I remain...cautiously optimistic. It could well be that there were
pieces
> cut from albums over the years because they just didn't fit in with the
> other songs. Heh heh...what if they did an all-analogue Rubycon sequel
in
> 1988 and shelved it because it would have seemed out of place on 'Optical
> Race'?
And I'll bet it was Ralf who perpetrated it!!!!!!
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I've just finished listening to Tangerine Ambience II, courtesy of Dan, and
all I can say is....hot damn!!!!!! This is better than Volume I...'Tangram
Set 1' by Joseph (that's what it says, haha!), 'Tangram Set 2' by Aquatic
Ghost, and two tracks by returning contributors: 'Logos, Part 1' by
Supersonic, and Rey's rendition of 'Cloudburst Flight' make this disc a
winner!!!! Also on this CD are 'Rubycon, Part1' & 'Part 2,' both by TD
Experience (maybe this is Riley, haha!), 'Stratosfear' (another winner) by
Token Angle, 'Phaedra' (again!) by Mikael Bondee, and 'White Eagle' by
Kenton Files. This disc is a must-have!
::E::
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I've just received the Stuntman, Force Majeure and Tangram midi files from
Lawry. At work yesterday, unfortunately, so I couldn't listen to them until
last night...
In a word, stunning!
On the strength of Stuntman, I'm going to search for the album, as I've never
heard this one. Don't tell me, it's unavailable. Damn.
Get the midi files now. Recommended. Lawry, let's have some more! Please!!!
Steve.
NP: Guess!
To my employers, if they're eavesdropping on this (I doubt it - they're
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Sorry, but I've installed the NT4 MIDI drivers on my work PC. Work will never
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>
>hehe...i did the same thing...good thing was, tower had/has it on sale for $
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>
>tom w
$6.99? I paid £9.99 for it - which is how much? $16? Sheesh!
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Really-From: Meshy
I got out my old WE cd t'nite, and noticed it was dropping out all over the
place (kinda like pausing it for a half sec. or less and then unpausing it-)
this is the first disc I've noticed this with. It is the old virgin cd (I
bought this cd in 89), anyone else notice this with old td cd's?
I know my WE, and logos has pinholes (hold up one of these data side facing you
to a bright light and you'll see what I mean.), so this may be the problem.
my 'main' cd player is over 10 years old so it may not have good error
correction either.
I'll check it out on another player also.
later on
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Really-From: TangerineC
I've heard of this problem, but never experienced it. I've looked at my first
Cd I bought in 1987 and not one pinhole. And I played the hell out this disc!
It plays just as well as the first day I bought it. Maybe the problem you guys
are experiencing is the cd players themselves. I also take very good care of
my Cd's. I get kind of anal when it comes to the care of them. Maybe this is
why none of them have pinholes either. I dont know. What do you guys think?
Tom
In a message dated 98-04-15 04:34:16 EDT, you write:
<<
I know my WE, and logos has pinholes (hold up one of these data side facing
you
to a bright light and you'll see what I mean.), so this may be the problem.
>>
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Subject: Incest Website at www.trueincest.com
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Really-From: jill@c... (Dr. Incest)
Hi,
Do you know there's and INCEST SITE at http://www.family-orgy.com ?
We have all in REAL INCEST, home-made videos and pics, Illustrated REAL incest
cases,
stories, also INCEST chatboard, where you can meet people in to incest and
Incest Videoconferencing
How do you know they are a real family?, go to:
http://www.family-orgy.com/picpost/sisters1.jpg
http://www.family-orgy.com/picpost/aunt_nieces1.jpg
And LOOK THEY FACES!!
You will not regret!!
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Date: Wed Apr 15, 1998 1:14
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Subject: RE: Put an end to TD 'speculations'
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> > - Dream Mixes Vol. I (2-CD-version by TDI, 1995)
> > - Turn of the tides (1993)
> > - Tyranny of beauty (1994)
> > - Oasis (1997)
> > - Tournado - Live in Europe (1997)
>
Hasn't TDI already released these?
Scott
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Subject: RE: Incest Website at www.trueincest.com
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>Do you know there's and INCEST SITE at
http://www.family-orgy.com ?
Um, uh, no I didn't. Aw heck, I'm not touching this one with a
20 ft. pole. You ever wonder if the police set up sites like these and
then track down who looks at them?
Scott
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Date: Wed Apr 15, 1998 1:38
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Subject: Trumpet Blowing
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
> Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
>
>>> FYI: Marcel Engels (aka FSP) set is offered for $22, don4t miss it !
>>>
>>> J.P.
>
> Sheesh, you brits sure promote each other's work. ;-) Hey, don't forget
Well, hurry up and get your CD out so we can all sit around blowing your
trumpet too! (oo-errr) :-)
Lawry
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Date: Wed Apr 15, 1998 1:20
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Subject: Eurock / Ether / Marcel
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
Marcel said....
> Oh, and while you're at it, you can order my 2CD package as well
> from him. :-)
> Just a thought.
and...
> (now, don't you forget to order my 2CD package from him! :-))
Now, okay. He might be a bit biased, but I'm not. I bought both of
these CD's from Marcel and they were such a great bargain.
Excellent sound quality and composition.
Anyway.. they are called 'Impulse' and 'Substance' and go under the
artist name of Free System Projekt (FSP) in case you were wondering.
Regards
Lawry
(Marcel... should I just e-mail you the advertising invoice? :-) )
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Date: Wed Apr 15, 1998 1:49
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Subject: RE: Tangerine Ambience II
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E-Man said...
> I've just finished listening to Tangerine Ambience II, courtesy of Dan,
and
> all I can say is....hot damn!!!!!!
I've never seen either of the TA CD's over in the UK, but I've been dying to
buy them. Does anyone know whether they made it here, and if so, where
I can get them from? Failing that, any european suppliers? I'm fed up
being stiffed for import duty from the US for CD's, so I'd rather not have
to
buy them from there.
TIA,
Lawry
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Date: Wed Apr 15, 1998 1:59
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Subject: RE: Force Majeure Midi File
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> On the strength of Stuntman, I'm going to search for the album, as I've
never
> heard this one. Don't tell me, it's unavailable. Damn.
In case you didn't know... it's a 1979 Edgar Froese solo album... released
by
Virgin (at least in the UK). 4 of the 6 tracks appear on the EF double
album,
Beyond The Storm , 1995 also by Virgin, and IMHO is a must have double
album. Warning: It has been Tangentized. The albums worth it for the
unreleased
tracks alone though.
> Lawry, let's have some more! Please!!!
Well, I still have about half a dozen that I've started... but they may take
a while to
finish as I have a new one I want to do, which will take some considerable
time
I'm sure. Maybe I'll just box off the 2 that are almost finished first...
but I'm an
impatient bugger.
Cheers,
Lawry
TD Midi File sequencer - available for weddings, bar mitzvahs, funerals,
children's parties..... :-)
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Date: Wed Apr 15, 1998 1:31
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Subject: Old TD vs. New TD
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> Try FORCE MAJEURE, TANGRAM, LOGOS, and LE PARC. They are all very
> different and all high points of a sort. (A warning, though: I seem to
> be in the minority in prefering LE PARC and the HEARTBREAKERS soundtrack
> [the two albums are similar to each other] to the LEGEND soundtrack.)
A small minority that also includes me... great choice of albums.
Lawry
PS - Vicky.. two of the midi files I sent you are Tangram and Force Majeure,
so should
give you a very basic idea of what to expect... though, of course, the real
thing is far
superior.
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Date: Wed Apr 15, 1998 3:34
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Subject: My CD, 'Visitation', Released...
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Really-From: 'Brian M. Frick'
Greetings, all!
Finally, after many months of scrambling to collect enough money to press it,
my CD 'Visitation' is for sale.
The CD contains six tracks, filling up over 50 minutes of music. The complete
track listing is available at http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/cd.html.
This is an exciting adventure for me, as it's my first CD. All of the songs
are originals, influenced by such musicians as Jean Michel Jarre, Vangelis,
Tangerine Dream, and The Orb. Many people think my music is similar to that
of Pete Namlook.
If you would be interested in obtaining a copy of this CD, please contact me.
I would be happy to get a copy right out to you. The CD costs $12, plus
shipping costs, which are $2 for US/Canada, $3 for UK/Europe/Asia/Africa, and
$4 Pacific Rim.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely,
--
Brian Frick
frickblj@w...
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Subject: RE: Tangerine Ambience II
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At 14:49 15-04-98 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>E-Man said...
>> I've just finished listening to Tangerine Ambience II, courtesy of Dan,
>and
>> all I can say is....hot damn!!!!!!
>
>I've never seen either of the TA CD's over in the UK, but I've been dying to
>buy them. Does anyone know whether they made it here, and if so, where
>I can get them from? Failing that, any european suppliers? I'm fed up
>being stiffed for import duty from the US for CD's, so I'd rather not have
>to
>buy them from there.
>
>TIA,
>Lawry
Check out: http://mcs.nl/groove/catalog.html
Kees
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Subject: Re: Changing Headers: Is It That Much to Ask?
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At 18:34 199804.14 EDT, tadream mailing list wrote:
>Really-From: 'A Blast from Molasar's Gauntlet'
cute
send them to Flamewar
To subscribe to flamewar@g...
send mail to autoshare@g...
with 'sub flamewar' in the body of the mail.
it's currently quiet @ the moment, just a buncha friends playfully toasting
each other.
ob TD
Continents:
Asia, Africa, Europe, Australia, America
This is the world
Past time
Present time
Future time
Peace, this is peace
To be understood
To ask
To answer
To talk
To contemplate
To guess not knowing
Transfer
To associate with friends
To exchange opinions
Borderlessness
Reasonable living
Talk
Conversation
Continents:
Asia, Africa, Europe, Australia, America
This is the world
translated from the Russian by Irina Lazakova. excerpt courtesy of
Alan V Michaels' out-of-print book;
_The_Dream_Lives_On!:_The_Unofficial_Collector's_Guide_To_The_Music_Of
_Tangerine_Dream_
Pete
mailto:penfold@a...
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the
road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
-- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides
on which instruments to take on the road.
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Date: Wed Apr 15, 1998 4:12
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Subject: What kind of Orgy is it, exactly?
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> Do you know there's and INCEST SITE at http://www.family-orgy.com ?
I wonder if it's an *electronic* orgy?
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
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Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience II
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At 09:26 PM 4/14/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
>I've just finished listening to Tangerine Ambience II, courtesy of Dan, and
>all I can say is....hot damn!!!!!!
Just wanted to wholeheartedly recommend that anyone who doesn't already
have it, get Tangerine Ambience II. #1 it's 100% analog according to the
cover. Their version of Logos is amazing. All the tracks are great, IMNSHO.
This from a Tangerine Dream 'purist'... =)
Morgan
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Subject: Re: Put an end to TD 'speculations'
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Really-From: Mark Fonda
Peter Stoeferle wrote:
> if there is no news, it's the time to create news... According to this motto,
> some of the discussions of the last weeks have turned into a strange
direction.
> Most of the items which have caused the so-called 'speculations on the
> forthcoming 25 TD albums' discussion on this list could be read in 'Dream
> Collector' two months ago, so actually there should be no reason for
> 'speculations' or 'rumour'...
Peter, I subscribe to Dream Collector and I was looking for facts, not
speculation... although opinions are always welcome here. You and others
provided us with the following facts which were either not available for the
last issue of DC or were not included for some reason:
> Right now, the Tadream Production office and the studio are in one building
in
> Berlin. With the TDI activities, they need more room for the office, and thus
> the studio has to move to another place.
> TDI are due to release Schmoellings 'Zoo Of Tranquility'. That's the bit I
> don't dispute. Other people (I think it must have been in the TD guestbook)
> were discussing this as a sign of JS's possible return to TD. As I said
> before though...I think that's a big load of bollocks.
> Zlatko rejoined TD after a 2-3 year hiatus. Seriously, though, I think
> he fits in better with the new TD direction than Linda ever did. Her
> performance at the '96 London concert, was, IMO, a key factor in her
> 'dismissal'.
Would TDI (or Dream Collector) prefer that we ask them these questions
directly, or can we just continue to use this mailing list as a resource for
getting information and working out things without bugging the artists or
their office staff? Besides, if TD was not so elusive about their music and
their music-related news we wouldn't have to be in the dark.
> Hope this helped to return the discussion to the serious information and to
stop
> at least some of the speculations. Or, as Edgar would probably say: 'Focus
the
> facts...' ;-)
I appreciate the facts that were presented... but what do you consider
serious information? I am very interested in who the current band members
are, what new releases will be issued this year, etc. Just let us have our
little discussions and you can stick to 'just the facts' in Dream Collector
and we'll all be just fine. :-)
Mark
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Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience II
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> Their version of Logos is amazing. All the tracks are great, IMNSHO.
My favourite song on TA2 remains Tangram Part 2, which is given a 'Dream
Mixes' type treatment, but only insofar that it shortens it, and punches
up the beats to levels that provoke drumming on your desktop or steering
wheel. It remains relatively true to the original, and has a nice organic
feel...whereas a couple of the other tracks are a bit jumpy, like TD's own
'Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal'. At the same time, Aquatic Ghost gives
Tangram a contemporary sound.
All in all, it's a good disk, but for the most part doesn't offer anything
new. It'll just make you want to hear the originals. It would have been
nice if the interpretations had been a bit more daring. This obviously
would bring with it the risk of producing horrendous results...or of
angering fans..but I think the potential rewards would be greater as well.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
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Subject: A question about Luminous Visions
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Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad'
Just wondering if anyone in the UK/Europe has purchased 'Luminous
Visions' yet? If so where can one get it?
Regards,
Conrad
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Subject: Re: Incest Website at www.trueincest.com
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Really-From: TangerineC
Gee! Is 'Incest Site' one of the TD albums slated on that 25 album release
deal? This would give new meaning to the song 'Little Blond In The Park Of
Attractions'. Tangerine Dream is getting racy in their old age! I pray that
Edgar has nothing to do with this web site. Tom
In a message dated 98-04-15 09:01:45 EDT, you write:
<<
Hi,
Do you know there's and INCEST SITE at http://www.family-orgy.com ?
We have all in REAL INCEST, home-made videos and pics, Illustrated REAL
incest cases,
stories, also INCEST chatboard, where you can meet people in to incest and
Incest Videoconferencing
How do you know they are a real family?, go to:
>>
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: An Eyewitness to the 1984 THE KEEP Cassette
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
I just found the following two posts in the guestbook at the TDI
website. Poor bastard, this Sutekh: he not only held the 1984 cassette
release of THE KEEP in his hand once but *several times*, only to spend
the rest of his life having to hear most of the rest of TD fandom say
that he's wrong. (When you hold something in your hand *several* times,
it is pretty fucking A well hard to convince yourself that you did
otherwise, fer crying out loud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
From , April 15, 1998:
From Sutekh at Mon, 13/Apr/98 13:27:
THE KEEP! FINALLY! HURRAH! I saw the Keep in the theatre as a young boy
and the music was the best I had heard in my life. It haunted me. My
local music store carried the soundtrack on cassette (contrary to what
many people say, this was released on cassette) but when I went to
purchase it it was gone! Years later I finally found a bootleg cd
import of the soundtrack but the audio quality was virtually
unlistenable on all tracks. And now my quest comes to an end with the
re-release. Thank you, Tangerine Dream, from the bottom of my heart.
From Sutekh at Mon, 13/Apr/98 13:50:
(A follow up now that I've read the 'focus the facts' section.) Ah,
sweet controversy. The elusive truth. How reliable is memory. When
someone says 'this is absolutely true' they are right, but only in terms
of what they have experienced in their own mind... The same week I saw
The Keep in movie theatres I went to my local music store in Oklahoma
City, OK, USA. There, in shiny shrink wrap, in the soundtrack section of
the cassette section (this was way before cd's) sat one lonely copy of
The Keep. I picked up that cassette about 100 times over the next month,
wanting it despeartely but not having the money to buy it. Finally, my
father said he'd get it for me, so we went to the store and... yep, you
guessed it... it was GONE! Now, many many people have insisted that The
Keep was NEVER released. But I held that little cassette in my hot little
hands several times over a month. So, either soemthing is terribly wrong
with my brain (perhaps a brain tumor, or schizophrenia), or, all of you
'experts' who have the 'facts' are (gasp) wrong. One more possible
solution is that there was rampant back door cassete production in the
1980's from supposedly law abiding record companies, but I think that is
highly unlikely. All I can say is that I didn't just see that cassette
tape, I held it numerous times. You can spout 1000 pages of documented
facts at me from the band members, the album producers, the record
companies, the film companies or Jesus Christ himself, but it won't
change the fact that I saw the cassette. Now, how's that for putting
spice into these message boards.
By the way, Tangerine Dream will go down in history as one of the
greatest bands the earth has ever known.
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Date: Wed Apr 15, 1998 5:35
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Subject: TD elusive?
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> Besides, if TD was not so elusive about their music and their
> music-related news we wouldn't have to be in the dark.
I don't find that they're particularly elusive. They keep us all informed
via the website, and magazines such as Dream Collector. Obviously,
they're hesitant to make news known until things are *official*...
otherwise, you end up with situations such as the aborted U.S. tour and
the long delay getting The Keep to market. I'd rather wait for something
concrete than be teased with rumours.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
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From:
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: Put This List's Archives on the Web!
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Howdy, Groovy Guys 'n' Gals,
It just occurred to me that if this list's archives were available
on the web for anyone and everyone to read, all the folks who access the
web but don't have a proper e-mail account (i.e. those with hotmail.com
accounts) would be able to read the messages from our little list and
reply. This is the predicament of many of the folks who post regularly
to the guestbook on the TDI website. If everything that we see here was
also available for reading on the web, things would really pick up.
The list I used to run made all its postings available via ftp
before the web existed, and quite a few people accessed the list this
way rather than subscribing. Now that the web is here, folks can access
the list via ftp, or via the web, or subscribe. Wouldn't it be nice if
such could be done for our little list?
Even better, there is a kick-ass search engine on the list I just
mentioned: it can search the entirety of the list's archives by keyword!
Now *that* is something we all could benefit from.
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
[...]
[The tadream list archives, www access]
> Even better, there is a kick-ass search engine on the list I just
>mentioned: it can search the entirety of the list's archives by keyword!
>Now *that* is something we all could benefit from.
Yummi !
Great idea, Steven. Just go for it ! :-D
I´ve already talked with Vic Rek off-list about setting up such a www archive
just a few days ago.
The most important thing is that we need someone (or a group of people)
who care about such an archive. I don´t have time left. NO.
Anyone, anyone, Lawry Simm ?
What I actually did was to reserve a 3 MB *free* web space on
http://www.geocities.com
and build up a quick and dirty 1st draft with no content so far.
Choose 'File manager' on the geocities web site,
the membername is 'tadreamlist',
the password 'rocks'
to upload or edit files.
tadreamlist rocks, eh ?
The crappy 1st draft is to be found at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/3748/
The only important thing is to include a geocities link on each HTML page.
if ASCII files are used (*.txt) there´s no need for any geocities advert.
So Steven, now it´s your ball... ;-)
Delete and/or edit the stuff. ;-)
Kind Regards
Jens