From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 3:28 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #258 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Kees At 10:58 22-04-98 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Vincent Goudreault > > >tadream mailing list wrote: >> >> > Really-From: SRiser3600 >> >> I HEARD SOME TIME BACK ABOUT MACULA TRANSFER BEING RELEASED ON CD >> HAS THIS HAPPENED YET ////????? > > >(ahum-hum *clearing throat*...) YES IT HAS, I MANAGED TO GET IT, SOME >KIND SOUL ON THIS LIST SENT AN EMAIL ADDRESS WHERE YOU CAN ORDER IT >FROM. (whispering, now being deaf on BOTH ears) try Groove at http://mcs.nl/groove/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 3:21 pm Subject: Re: RPM-Records ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > You lucky guy ! I ordered TS and AM in december last year by RPM records > and I didn't get anything until today ! Maybe these people can't deliver > outside the US ! ;-( That's interesting....they can certainly deliver to Canada. I've ordered from them a few times and they've always been friendly and prompt. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 4:53 am Subject: Re: SV: Stuntman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA > I saw a stuntman vinyl in a recordshop, and I was wondering if it is worth > picking up? >> > Get it if for no other reason than the photography on the cover; but > the > music is pretty good too. Dell Yeah, I was always intrigued by The Beatles White Album. Wonderful cover photography, but the music inside... it's classic....David From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 4:55 am Subject: Re: Ambient Monkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Boneheads1 I got my copy of Ambient Monkeys and TimeSquare from a local store that specializes in imported music. They had to mail order to get them, and I don't know where they were dealing with. I went back last week to see if they could get another copy and they said that they can not get them any more. They even tried to order a couple of copies for the store and are not able to obtain them. They mentioned that there is a rumor of these albums being released in the USA, but they have no confirmation. I hope they are released, it would be a waste not to. Tim Scallon From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 6:33 pm Subject: Oh Canada NO TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Hi., Not that I know of- but if I say I am can I get royalties? By the way I was joking in my previous two post Vincent :) . I just wanna get along! I am upset I gotta miss the discussion tho-on account of the trip-not on account of Canada(proper SP). I love you all.......good nite! Chris ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 11:44 AM To: tadream@c... Subject: RE: The Keep (Not Really) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Chris. . .Chouinard Hey, are you related to the mountaineer named Chouinard who invented those little doodads that bear his name? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 6:46 pm Subject: Re: Steven & the Keep (was: RE: The Keep(?)) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > > Will the discussion of the release go away. What will > Steve do? > > I finally figured it out. It all makes perfect sense now! Steven > is like Mulder on the X-Files. Despite all the evidence to the contrary > (but count me among the believers) he still believes. Gotta admire that > in a man. > > Scott I might point out that this is also a quality found in the worst religious fanatics. Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13257 Steven & the Keep (was: RE: The Keep(?)) Plumer, Scott Wed 4/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 4:02 pm Subject: Steven & the Keep (was: RE: The Keep(?)) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Will the discussion of the release go away. What will Steve do? I finally figured it out. It all makes perfect sense now! Steven is like Mulder on the X-Files. Despite all the evidence to the contrary (but count me among the believers) he still believes. Gotta admire that in a man. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 6:50 pm Subject: RE: Being nice to your friends up north, eh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >Oh yeah? Like, you try to imply that perhaps we drive too slow > or > >something? Perhaps you should try to keep up with me in my > 1997 > >Mustang GT while I play TD's Dolphin Dance on my cassette > player? > >(With a still undisclosed number of police officers in pursuit > >trying to stop me... ;-) Try THAT in one of L.A.'s congested > >highway at rush hour!!! > > Apparently you don't live in Toronto. > > Scott No, he doesn't. Quebec's economy may be decrepit, the political situation an uncertain mess, but there are still some things we can get away with with here by NOT living in or near Toronto (perhaps the most ATYPICAL Canadian city, IMO). Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 1:24 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #258 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Tom Richmond' > >> Get it if for no other reason than the photography on the cover; >>but the music is pretty good too. Dell > > I'd say that it's his second best album (the first being EPSILON >IN MALAYSIAN PALE). Don't forget AGES! My personal favorite. > Also, if you get a first pressing of this LP, the liner is a thick >carboard sleeve with about 40 small color photographs of Edgar on each >side (that makes a total of about 80 pics!). Just had my copy out over the weekend to tape for somebody, had pictures on one side and solid black on the other... Hmmm... See you all later Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 3:44 pm Subject: RE: The Keep (Not Really) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Chris. . .Chouinard Hey, are you related to the mountaineer named Chouinard who invented those little doodads that bear his name? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 6:29 pm Subject: Re: Being nice to your friends up north, eh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >Oh yeah? Like, you try to imply that perhaps we drive too slow > or > >something? Perhaps you should try to keep up with me in my > 1997 > >Mustang GT while I play TD's Dolphin Dance on my cassette > player? > >(With a still undisclosed number of police officers in pursuit > >trying to stop me... ;-) Try THAT in one of L.A.'s congested > >highway at rush hour!!! > > Apparently you don't live in Toronto. > > Scott No, Montreal. Which can be almost as bad, but I usually leave the office long after rush hour... (That is, unless some law enforcement officer is reading this...) VG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [Fwd: THE KEEP ( YES, Really)] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Wy my message is being cut ? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Message posted again. The former was cut by the virtual dimension. I Have another thing to comment here. I don't understand why some people here try to ban a perfectly on topic theme. Maybe it was discussed to death, but - first it doesn't take so high bandwidth. - second it's ON TOPIC - third there isn't really other serious stuff going on here and the Keep stuff isn't breaking any thought line at all. - fourth I like it and enjoy reading it. - 5th if you don't like it, don't read it. I don't read a lot of messages on this list because the subject line doesn't touch my curiosity or I have enough of it. - 6th Don't be another gold-tri, please - 7th (your other reasons here) let's be a little democratic and tolerant. I love this list even if it really interest me no more than 10% of the normal traffic. --- Francisco ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 6:27 pm Subject: RE: Being nice to your friends up north...NOTD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Being of French Canadian descent, and having my relatives who ALL live in Canada really don't care. I did not mean offense, and if you have taken offense to a trivial tack on -which is OBVIOUSLY an attempt at poor humor-you really have some things to work out. Chris ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 11:32 AM To: tadream@c... Subject: Being nice to your friends up north... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > Chris-the pissed off Carpet man with no money who has to miss the TD > conference on the Dominion cuz he has to go to a Goddamn carpet > meeting in Friggin canada and could give a shit less- Chouinard Some of us, living in this country, may take offence to our place of birth being referred as 'Friggin', capital 'F' or not... After all *we* did NOT invent C&W 'music'... and I bet there are proportionally more TD fans in out population than in the US of A. ;-) C.B. Vincent Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 5:46 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #258 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: SRiser3600 > > I HEARD SOME TIME BACK ABOUT MACULA TRANSFER BEING RELEASED ON CD > > HAS THIS HAPPENED YET ////????? > (ahum-hum *clearing throat*...) YES IT HAS, I MANAGED TO GET IT, SOME > KIND SOUL ON THIS LIST SENT AN EMAIL ADDRESS WHERE YOU CAN ORDER IT > FROM. OK ! Here it is: ManikinMS@a... The name of the guy is Mario Schoenwaelder and he's selling the Macula-Transfer cd. It's worth getting it ! Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 2:58 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #258 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: SRiser3600 > > I HEARD SOME TIME BACK ABOUT MACULA TRANSFER BEING RELEASED ON CD > HAS THIS HAPPENED YET ////????? (ahum-hum *clearing throat*...) YES IT HAS, I MANAGED TO GET IT, SOME KIND SOUL ON THIS LIST SENT AN EMAIL ADDRESS WHERE YOU CAN ORDER IT FROM. C.B. Vincent Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 2:54 pm Subject: RE: The Keep (Not Really) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Hi Gang, I too own two rare Star Wars Revenge items, one a patch that was sent out to all the members of the fan club, and two a fold out with the 'now in production' notation for REVENGE. This was a insert in a variety trade paper. I can't even get quotes on this puppy-but I own it ( IT IS FOR SALE THO). On the TD tip- I know there are people sick of the Keep tirade, but aside from the IT EXISTS argument, I do enjoy discussion on the score(s) . In fact this weekend I made a 6hour reel to reel (remember those?) of all the collected recording in the order of the film. IE- all the Gloria-one after another, all the Logostype/Logos/Brothers in Evil/Two guards getting the big whack of death etc. etc. Aside from taking a hell of a long time to do, and transferring the laser, audiotape, and various cd's - I used Steven Feldman's post on the different scores to compile this monster- tho I take difference to the Tournado track being like anything in the Keep. Anyhoo- I guess my point is this I am done with the Did it or Didn't it exist brouhaha, but if I gotta hear about Zeit and Atem- shouldn't I be able to hear/read about I score I LIKE? Just my opinion, I could be wrong.Nudge Nudge wink wink! Chris-the pissed off Carpet man with no money who has to miss the TD conference on the Dominion cuz he has to go to a Goddamn carpet meeting in Friggin canada and could give a shit less- Chouinard N.P. Heavy Metal -the Bernstein score (thank god for supercollector) ---------- From: tadream mailing list Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 1:36 AM To: tadream@c... Subject: The Keep (Not Really) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA Although this thread has been beaten to death, I must add something. Back in 1977, I saw a motion picture called 'Star Wars' that changed my life forever. I started collecting everything I could get my hands on. Months before 'Return of the Jedi' was released, I was lucky enough to come across a 'Revenge of the Jedi' one sheet, which was the original title. I have spoken with many 'Star Wars' fans who don't believe I have this poster, but it is hanging right in front of me as I type. In fact, I've been offered $1200 for it. My original 12 inch Darth Vader, mint in box, is worth an estimated $500. I think I paid 15 bucks for it. As far as 'The Keep' is concerned, I can't comment. But when Steven finally finds it, I believe it will be his Lost Ark. Remember what happened to that? Thank you for listening, I now return you to your regularly scheduled rants....David From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 3:30 am Subject: Re: The Keep: The Facts (Nice Try--Not!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Steven Feldman >>Really-From: Vic Rek [...] > Bad word choice ('speculation'). I am not speculating when I go on >a rant about having seen a copy of THE KEEP soundtrack in 1984. It is a >fact. If you have a problem believing that, it's your problem. Don't >go jumping to conclusions just because the head of a company tells you >something. Maybe he -- like Edgar -- is just giving you the party-line >spiel. I think that the man I spoke with was with Famous Music before you wore diapers. I will not mention names. Secondly, everyone called ME back and discussed the issue, so there was an open discussion (this can happen, even in the case of The Keep). Haven't you done this simple research which took only half a day to complete? I know why you didn't do this simple inquiry, because YOU don't want to know the facts and you think this damn album is some kind of music business cult conspiracy. Maybe you and your 2 other TD affidavits saw a cardboard promo sheet for the upcoming release (in cassete maybe too)? Haven't you seen these things? But if the LP wasn't released, then the cardboard displays went away and so did The Keep. Maybe that's why nobody could buy it, because it was just a piece of cardboard (at best). Chill Steven, you have better news to contribute I'm sure. I no longer need to hear about this quest of yours, sorry. Show us the album, or just be mute. If you're pissed, so be it! Your friend, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 12:14 pm Subject: RE: Request for Cyberchat Netiquette Primer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > There are six questions I'd like to ask Eddy 'n' Jerry: Could someone ask Ed what happened to the other 45 min. from Sorceror? I hae to work. :-( Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 8:43 pm Subject: Re: The Keep (Not Really) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA Dano writes: > You must have some fairly geeky friends Yeah, you just made the top of the list for that remark....David From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 9:12 pm Subject: The Cosmic Jokers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jupe I have for sale or trade : LP THE COSMIC JOKERS (featuring Klaus Schulze) OHR MUSIC 840.060 Face A GALACTIC JOKE 22´ 38 Face B COSMIC JOY 19´ 24 Jupe http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm -- * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * La PAGINA de TANGERINE DREAM de JUPE http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/home.htm mailto:jupe@c... New SWAP List 3.0 , write me !!!!! 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Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Odyssey Productions We have just released a new video of spectacular computer animation with a soundtrack by Tangerine Dream entitled 'Luminous Visions'.  Please visit http://www.odyssey3d.com/ for more info. LIVE CHAT WITH TANGERINE DREAM! Wednesday April 22 at 5pm (PDT) the Sci-Fi Channel's website, The Dominion, is hosting an on-line 'rave' chat event, featuring TANGERINE DREAM.  Edgar & Jerome Froese will be online, answering questions and chatting about the music for Odyssey's newest video 'LUMINOUS VISIONS'.  Go to the dedicated 'rave' page: http://www.scifi.com/rave/ for more information, and to http://www.scifi.com/chat/ for the chat. Adrian Turcotte - aturcotte@o... - (619) 793-1900 Executive Producer - Odyssey Productions - 4413 Ocean Valley Lane San Diego, CA 92130 - http://www.odyssey3d.com - FAX 793-1942 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 7:16 pm Subject: a grovel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ben Ohmart could someone Please make me a tape of the last cd of the Tangents (i think?) box which has the unreleased stuff? email me. thanks. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 12:35 am Subject: Answers from the TD Rave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery I'm keeping a transcript of the TD 'Rave' at the SCI FI Channel Page, but some questions have already been answered. 1) The Quinoa re-release *will* include the Easter Island track, Voxel UX 2) Edgar has no *immediate* plans to retire...and thus they opted not to answer the question of whether Jerome would carry on with other collaborators. 3) To the question: 'Will you ever work with Franke and Schmoelling again? Will you ever work with Klaus Schulze?', they answered: 'Franke? No. Schmoelling? No. Schulze? Certainly not.' Take from that what you will. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13276 Re: Answers from the TD Rave feldon@p... Thu 4/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 8:20 pm Subject: TD chat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Just got offline with the TD chat. Interesting. Their usual obtuse selfs! Fun though! A log can be found (Thurs) at http://www.scifi.com/chat/chatnow.html Look for the chat log archive. Good fun, eh, Daventura and Sean (and any others I didn't recognize!) Mike (aka: foxman) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13275 Re: TD chat Sean Montgomery Thu 4/23/1998 3 KB 13280 Re: TD chat Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 4/23/1998 3 KB 13285 TD chat Glenn Reinicke Thu 4/23/1998 3 KB 13286 Re: TD chat Sean Montgomery Thu 4/23/1998 3 KB 13289 Re: TD chat Gabe Yedid Thu 4/23/1998 3 KB 13290 Re: TD chat Glenn Reinicke Thu 4/23/1998 3 KB 13459 Re: TD chat AOutland Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB 13461 Re: TD chat Sean Montgomery Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 1:49 am Subject: Re: TD chat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery For those who can't wait, I've already posted a rough, non-HTML transcript of the chat session on my website: An interesting experience! My absolute favourite moment was this, since it came totally without warning or provocation: Question from Tadream: Which bastard is responsible for 'Electronic Orgy'? We'll get you. Are the perpetrators quaking in their 'boots'? SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 1:55 am Subject: Re: Answers from the TD Rave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 05:35 PM 4/22/98 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Sean Montgomery >I'm keeping a transcript of the TD 'Rave' at the SCI FI Channel Page, but >some questions have already been answered. Either the chat was only an hour long, or I'm in the wrong place... Morgan feldon@p... p.s. Are the transcripts online anywhere? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 3:26 am Subject: Re: Being nice to your friends up north, eh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > *joke mode off* > > (whisper: Dan, I hope you noticed the smily after my original post, > yes? Actually, what really offended me was the Chris didn't > write Canada with the capital 'C'... NOT. Now, joke mode REALLY > off...) > > ;-) > > C hey B hey Vincent hey Goudreault, hey Take off, eh. ;-) Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 1:19 pm Subject: Re: The Cosmic Jokers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@i... (Michael Livsey) On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:12:01 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: jupe > > >I have for sale or trade : > >LP THE COSMIC JOKERS (featuring Klaus Schulze) OHR MUSIC 840.060 > >Face A GALACTIC JOKE 22´ 38 >Face B COSMIC JOY 19´ 24 > > >Jupe >http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm I'll buy side A. Let me know how much... ---- mlivsey@i... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 1:26 pm Subject: Re: Being nice to your friends up north, eh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@i... (Michael Livsey) On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:07:07 -0400, you wrote: > >Oh yeah? Like, you try to imply that perhaps we drive too slow >or > >something? Perhaps you should try to keep up with me in my >1997 > >Mustang GT while I play TD's Dolphin Dance on my cassette >player? > >(With a still undisclosed number of police officers in pursuit > >trying to stop me... ;-) Try THAT in one of L.A.'s congested > >highway at rush hour!!! > > Apparently you don't live in Toronto. > > Scott > I live in Toronto, and I'm totally offended by your remark!! Why I ought to...oh, my 12 CD changer just switched to a non-TD CD so I better quit discussing TD. F*cking traffic!!! ---- mlivsey@i... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 6:56 am Subject: Re: TD chat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > An interesting experience! My absolute favourite moment was this, since > it came totally without warning or provocation: > > Question from Tadream: Which bastard is responsible for > 'Electronic Orgy'? We'll get you. Another interesting tidbit (thanks for posting the transcript, Sean) is that, when inquired about a North American tour, Ed and Jerome replied, 'Fall, probably...' ::E:: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 11:32 am Subject: Planetary Traveller ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: spidey I picked up Haslinger's 'Planetary Traveller' and I must say it is fantastic! First of all, the visuals which were created completely on desktop computers, are stunning. The video has a nice flow to it as you travel from one mystical planet to the next by a futuristic spaceship. Each world is beautiful in its design. This is definitely eye candy. I only have the VHS version so I am sure the laserdisc and DVD must be amazing. Creator and director Jan Nickman must be applauded. Thanks for listening. Oh....you wanted to hear about the music too? Hehe. Mr. Haslinger has done quite well with creating an aural soundscape which perfectly compliments the visuals. For example, as the spaceship investigates a firey red planet very much like Mars, the menacing atmosphere, the alien thunder and lightning are acommpanied by music which is dark, scary, with plenty of booms and cymbal crashes. Another world is cold, white and icy. Looking upon this planet you are in awe of its peaceful beauty but you also can't shake that feeling of absolute lonlieness. Again Haslinger's music fits the mood of this desolate planet. The only similarity you could say with this and Franke's music is that they both have used the same orchestra. Haslinger has used the orchestra as a flourish here and there and not as a foundation for the music. I'd still call this an electronic score. The video is 40 minutes 'short'. I say this because I really enjoyed it and it was over too quickly for me. It was satisfying but I wanted more. I've always thought Haslinger was talented, he squelches any doubts with this project. For those with an eye for detail, in the end credits they have his name spelled 'Hasslinger.' For the record, I have the TD 'Luminous Visions' video/CD set also but I like Planetary Traveller better. Oscar Dean np: AFX - Analogue Bubblebath Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13298 'Luminous Visions' Steven Churchill Thu 4/23/1998 4 KB 13305 Re: Planetary Traveller matt knudson Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB 13323 Planetary Traveller Steve Whiteley Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB 17557 Re: Planetary Traveller James Horecka, AIA Thu 9/2/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 1:34 pm Subject: CDNow ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Just thought I'd mention that I signed up for this program through GeoCities & CDNow where if people go to CDNow through my web page and buy something, I get points toward free CD's! I have the link on my page set to go to their main page, or straight to TD, so if you're gonna buy from CDNow, do me a favor and go through my page, at: http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palladium/5728/index.html. You can also see my tape trade list there. Amazon.com has a similar program set up, but I haven't done that yet. Scott E. Plumer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 4:03 pm Subject: Re: for all you recording fans out there ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 thought this might interest you...keep on dubbing...tom w np: crimso in la 1982 Weekend Special --------------- Hi, Time for another special. These run from arrival of this message to midnight Sunday. These specials are only open to folks on our e-mail list. If you would rather not receive any of these mailings just let me know and I'll take you off of the list. 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Don't forget our Internet Specials page at http://www.tape.com/specials.html, for more deals. You may also order by e-mail or fax (800-848-5738). Just include your name, address, phone number and credit card # with expiration date if ordering this way. NO PHONE ORDERS PLEASE! The operators will not have the weekend specials in their database so they will not be processed. We do take MC/Visa/AMEX and have a money back guarantee. Price does not include shipping and handling, which is figured on weight and distance. Thanks for your indulgence and support! Art ************************************************************************** * Cassette House Blank DAT tape - CDR's - Cassettes * * Order 24 Hours A Day, 7 Days A Week! * * Voice:800-321-5738 * Fax: 800-848-5738 * Web Site: http://www.tape.com * * e-mail:art@t... Direct Line 615-952-4993 * ************************************************************************** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 4:25 pm Subject: I hate it when I'm right! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! to : Will the upcoming TDI release of Quinoa have have material that wasn't on the Fan Club release? To Sean: Yeah, some exclusive material, including 'Voxel Ux' 'nuff said! goozer (P.S. to 'Voxel'): Don't worry, ours will still be unique... --------------------------------------------------- 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has blurred.' --------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13287 Re: I hate it when I'm right! Gabe Yedid Thu 4/23/1998 3 KB 13288 Re: I hate it when I'm right! Hermes Guzman Thu 4/23/1998 3 KB 13292 Re: I hate it when I'm right! Gabe Yedid Thu 4/23/1998 3 KB 13318 Re: I hate it when I'm right! feldon@p... Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 4:31 pm Subject: TD chat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Glenn Reinicke Last night's chat was pretty cool, we actually spoke to the gods and they answered (albeit usually in short form). I'm glad to see that they are working on a bio vid. Hopefully they'll use cuts from all periods, not just the F/F/Spa/Z-Man era. I asked Edgar about his comments in a Keyboard Mag interview some years back concerning alternate music making machines, something he called E-Balls (hopfully doesn't stand for Edgar's balls!) and the cryptic answer I got back seems to indicate that there might possibly be a TD hardware firm prototyping some new input or compositional toys. They stated that they were on-line at the TDI offices with their 'mentor' (I assume that's German for lawyer) so we couldn't pry too much out of them. Interesting about the Shulze answer on collaboration. 'Definitely Not!'. Franke just got a 'no'. From the flames shot at Franke in various interviews, I would have thought the answers would be reversed. Someone asked what the next release would be and they said the 'TDI catalog.' I guess we'll be maxing our credit cards again. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13286 Re: TD chat Sean Montgomery Thu 4/23/1998 3 KB 13289 Re: TD chat Gabe Yedid Thu 4/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 4:36 pm Subject: Re: TD chat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > I asked Edgar about his comments in a Keyboard Mag interview some years > back concerning alternate music making machines, something he called > E-Balls (hopfully doesn't stand for Edgar's balls!) Now *that* would be funny. Just twirl Edgar's balls in your hand, and out come the most intriguing sounds.... SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13289 Re: TD chat Gabe Yedid Thu 4/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 4:51 pm Subject: Re: I hate it when I'm right! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > > > Greetings all! > > to : Will the upcoming TDI release of > Quinoa have have material that wasn't on the Fan Club release? > To Sean: Yeah, some exclusive material, including 'Voxel Ux' > > 'nuff said! > > goozer > > (P.S. to 'Voxel'): Don't worry, ours will still be unique... But will they have done anything to 'Quinoa' itself--like extra sections that weren't in the original version? While I'm here... Where is that live version of 'Sobornost' again? Is it on '3 Tier Dream'? The London Hammersmith 1981 show? Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 5:01 pm Subject: Re: I hate it when I'm right! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Yo- > >But will they have done anything to 'Quinoa' itself--like extra sections >that weren't in the original version? I hope so! But I doubt it... >While I'm here... >Where is that live version of 'Sobornost' again? >Is it on '3 Tier Dream'? The London Hammersmith 1981 show? Yep, that's the one, as far as best sound quality goes. It's also on the Dreamtime CD-R, in poorer quality. If only the TV solo version Edgar did was in stereo... goozer --------------------------------------------------- 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has blurred.' --------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13292 Re: I hate it when I'm right! Gabe Yedid Thu 4/23/1998 3 KB 13318 Re: I hate it when I'm right! feldon@p... Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 5:09 pm Subject: Re: TD chat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > I asked Edgar about his comments in a Keyboard Mag interview some years > > back concerning alternate music making machines, something he called > > E-Balls (hopfully doesn't stand for Edgar's balls!) > > Now *that* would be funny. Just twirl Edgar's balls in your hand, and out > come the most intriguing sounds.... OOOOHHHHH, that one was *nasty* Sean! I love it!!! ;) > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 5:17 pm Subject: RE: TD chat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Glenn Reinicke > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > I asked Edgar about his comments in a Keyboard Mag interview some > years > > back concerning alternate music making machines, something he called > > E-Balls (hopfully doesn't stand for Edgar's balls!) > > Now *that* would be funny. Just twirl Edgar's balls in your hand, and > out > come the most intriguing sounds.... > I'm guessing it would be in the higher octaves. Good for Kitaro solo-type stuff. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 5:32 pm Subject: More from tape.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' They had a list of studio gear for sale as well. Here's the list for those who might be interested: * Omnicraft GT-4 noise gate (4 gates w/keys). $150.00 * DBX 166 compressor/limiter, stereo. $225.00 * EMU-Proformance Plus, piano module. $200.00 * Alesis SR16 drum machine. $150 * Aphex Big Bottom $150.00 * Yamaha NS10 Speakers $260.00 * Juice Goose Power Conditioner, 16 A.C. input. $100.00 * AB Systems Design 3 way speaker switch, rack mount, banana plugs. Great for studio. $125 * Roland U220 Rack mount synth module. $225 * Tannoy PS88 Subwoofer $125 * Otari 5050B 1/4' tape deck 15/30 IPS $250 * Adam Smith ZETA III Syncronzier $650 * Fostex 2020 line mixer, 8 in, modified with mute switches $50 * Midiman Fineline 24 channel, rack mount, mixer $75 * Fostex 3030 stereo graphic equalizer $35. Call Art Munson at 615-952-4993. Or visit our web site at http://www.tape.com Scott E. Plumer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 6:50 pm Subject: Re: I hate it when I'm right! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > > > Yo- > > > >But will they have done anything to 'Quinoa' itself--like extra sections > >that weren't in the original version? > > I hope so! But I doubt it... Too bad I had to study last night...would have loved to be there at that chat. > >While I'm here... > >Where is that live version of 'Sobornost' again? > >Is it on '3 Tier Dream'? The London Hammersmith 1981 show? > > Yep, that's the one, as far as best sound quality goes. It's also on the > Dreamtime CD-R, in poorer quality. If only the TV solo version Edgar did > was in stereo... Not to mention that huge dropout near the end of it! > goozer > > --------------------------------------------------- > 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring > at the line between black & white for > so long that their vision has blurred.' > --------------------------------------------------- and I say: those who believe the world exists in black and white have been staring at opposite ends of the contiuum so long they've gone walleyed! Gabe who wonders if TD could do a credible Sobornost '98 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13318 Re: I hate it when I'm right! feldon@p... Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 7:55 pm Subject: Collectable vinyl items for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'van Dam, Peter' Hello all, I have a large saleslist with 500+ mainly vinyl items of electronic, progressive, avant-garde, psychedelic and symphonic music. It does contain a very large Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream section. (more than 100 items together) with lots of very rare Kraftwerk collectables. If you wish I can send you this list by e-mail. I will send an attached Word document. If you want a plain ASCI listing included in the message please let me know. The list also contains a few nice live CD items. I am also interested in buying or trading rare vinyl items. Greetings, Peter van Dam From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 7:50 pm Subject: Luminous Visions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC I know it probably was listed before, but what tracks are on the CD to Luminous Visions? Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13295 Luminous Visions TangerineC Thu 4/23/1998 2 KB 13457 Luminous Visions Sean Montgomery Thu 4/30/1998 4 KB 14036 Luminous Visions Tom807@a... Sat 5/30/1998 3 KB 14058 Re: Luminous Visions AR402004@B... Mon 6/1/1998 3 KB 14059 Re: Luminous Visions Tom807@a... Mon 6/1/1998 3 KB 17322 Re: Luminous Visions James Horecka, AIA Wed 7/28/1999 1 KB 17323 Luminous Visions Joel Mullen Wed 7/28/1999 3 KB 17325 Re: Luminous Visions Jim Moore Wed 7/28/1999 1 KB 17327 Re: Luminous Visions Joel Mullen Wed 7/28/1999 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 7:58 pm Subject: Luminous Visions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC Never mind, got the track listing. Sorry for the useless post. Thanks anyway. Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 3:17 pm Subject: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox As of this time, the transcript is still not there. Here is the link directly to the transcripts--keep checking... http://www.scifi.com/transcripts Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13297 Re: chat transcript Sean Montgomery Thu 4/23/1998 3 KB 13299 Re: chat transcript Francisco Salgado C. Thu 4/23/1998 3 KB 13314 Re: chat transcript feldon@p... Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB 13300 Re: chat transcript Glenn Reinicke Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB 13310 Re: chat transcript Francisco Salgado C. Fri 4/24/1998 4 KB 13312 Re: chat transcript Plumer, Scott Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB 13313 Re: chat transcript Plumer, Scott Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB 13319 Re: chat transcript Sean Montgomery Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB 13321 Re: chat transcript Plumer, Scott Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 8:39 pm Subject: Re: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > As of this time, the transcript is still not there. Here is the link > directly to the transcripts--keep checking... > > http://www.scifi.com/transcripts Or Go to this page to read it now: http://www.topix.com/~sean/td_chat SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 9:43 pm Subject: 'Luminous Visions' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Churchill Greetings! For those of you who haven't seen it yet, the new video 'Luminous Visions' features the very best work of computer animation virtuoso Yoichiro Kawaguchi and music by Tangerine Dream. The project was produced by Odyssey Productions, producer of the critically acclaimed 'Mind’s Eye' home video series. This spellbinding journey begins with an artificial intelligence form that morphs into visually-stimulating three-dimensional worlds. The video then creates a menagerie of sensuous, almost virtually tactile 'organisms' that flow, swim and evolve in a dazzling dance of cyber-life. Tangerine Dream's music is perfect for the project and includes some re-mixes not currently available in the US. The CD soundtrack comes with the video, at no extra cost. 'Luminous Visions' is available through Sony Music Video at most large video outlets on VHS tape, and will be released on DVD May 5th, and on Laser Disc on June 3rd. Feel free to write if you have any questions. Take care! Steven Churchill Producer Odyssey Productions http://www.odyssey3d.com/ http://www.mindseyepresents.com/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 11:24 pm Subject: Re: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi I just wanted to highlight this: Question from Tadream: Which bastard is responsible for 'Electronic Orgy'? We'll get you. *To RaveHost* Aha! So the band *wasn't* secretly responsible for Electronic Orgy! I'll let you know if we get any answers... Is this a kind of amiable reprimand?, a secret congratulation? E Orgy is no ordinary boot since it's including officially released tracks (although not actually in stock) so it might be considered a 'pirate' production rather than a bootleg. Whadayathink? ---Francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13314 Re: chat transcript feldon@p... Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 10:53 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Glenn Reinicke > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > Hi > > I just wanted to highlight this: > > Question from Tadream: Which bastard is responsible for > 'Electronic > Orgy'? We'll get you. > *To RaveHost* Aha! So the band *wasn't* secretly responsible for > Electronic > Orgy! > I'll let you know if we get any answers... > > Is this a kind of amiable reprimand?, a secret congratulation? > > E Orgy is no ordinary boot since it's including officially released > tracks > (although not actually in stock) so it might be considered a 'pirate' > production rather than a bootleg. > > Whadayathink? > > ---Francisco > I think Edgar is going to come over and put a size 10 German steel-toed boot up your a** if he finds out that you're the bootlegger/pirate/'bastard'. I don't think that's a congratulation. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 11:16 pm Subject: 'The Blue Years' Compilation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery I don't recall seeing anyone mention this yet, but forgive me if it's already been mentioned: Castle Communications has indeed released a 'Best of the Blue Years' compilation. The track listing is interesting, in that it doesn't just replicate material covered on previous compilations, including (believe it or not) Dream Roots! 1. Horizon (excerpt) 2. Ride on the Ray 3. Scuba Scuba 4. Underwater Twilight 5. 21st Century Common Man (Part 2) 6. Vigour 7. The Cliffs of Sydney 8. Hyde Park 9. Zen Garden 10.Livemiles (Albuquerque Excerpt) Some nice selections, but I doubt that many of us would agree that Vigour deserves to be among the 'Best'. How about more from Poland, guys? Still, it rehabilitates side two of Underwater Sunlight (oops, my vinyl heritage is showing), which has tended to get neglected. All the same, would any of us actually buy this? P.S. Toronto-area T.D. fans: Tower Records is selling several of the Virgin 'Definitive Edition' TD series for $11.99 (about $8.50 U.S.) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 18, 1998 3:50 pm Subject: Re: Being nice to your friends up north, eh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: OIK I live in the states, but I have always gotten along with out frosted neighbors...they make good baccon, good beer, and good whisky...it is like a breakfast 24 hours a day :-> tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Really-From: Vincent Goudreault > > > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris-the pissed off Carpet man with no money who has to miss the TD > > > conference on the Dominion cuz he has to go to a Goddamn carpet > > > meeting in Friggin canada and could give a shit less- Chouinard > > > > Some of us, living in this country, may take offence to our place of > > birth being referred as 'Friggin', capital 'F' or not... > > After all *we* did NOT invent C&W 'music'... and I bet there are > > proportionally more TD fans in out population than in the US of A. > > > > ;-) > > > > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > > I think he's just reffering to the distance factor being a pain in the > ass....it was hardly a territory slam...especially relating to the > people there. It's not like he said that Canadians drive too slow or > anything. ;-) > > Dano, eh. -- OIK visit my home page at http://oik.home.ml.org sign up for my Philosophy Mailing List at http://oik.home.ml.org/mail_list.html Visit http://www.suite101.com/topics/page.cfm/748 and read my article on Enigma last but not least, Have a Nice Day :o) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Molasar, 'Chargin' Up a Few Choice Ray-blasts' Okay, here's another example of how the people subscribed to this list are not fucking omniscent, regardless of how their inflated egos would like them to believe: I overhead someone talking about a search engine called 'Hotbot.' To check it out, I tried 'Transfer of Information Act,' which yielded nothing (just like at every other search engine I've tried that seach with), and then I tried 'the keep soundtrack.' This took me to a page with the URL This is the message that was on this page: Schmoelling This response submitted by James Harral on 11/1/95. Dear Phil and Chris, Dear Phil and Chris, 11-01-95 I totally agree with what you had to say about Johannes Schmoelling. It would be interesting if perhaps there could be some corroboration between Chris Franke and Schmoelling. I would also be pleased if all previously recorded material by not only Schmoelling and TD was released to fanatic fans like myself. For example the music to 'The Keep' soundtrack was never released but had some of Tangerine Dreams best music in my opinion, Very reminiscent of 'Logos'. Next Article Return to Main Article Article complete. Click HERE to return to the Feedback Menu. I clicked on 'Return to Main Article,' and this is what I found: Get Johannes Schmoelling!! This article submitted by Phil Derby (PhilPDX@a...) on 10/1/95. There has been a fair amount of discussion on the Tangerine Dream discussion list of late that many TD fans would LOVE to get their hands on copies of former Christopher Franke partner Johannes Schmoelling's back catalog of music. Trouble is, some of them were on labels now defunct, or the discs are simply out of print. There are MANY interested TD fans who would be willing to pay real cash money for CD's by Johannes Schmoelling if he could distribute through Sonic Images. Our nderstanding is he is currently negotiating to get the rights back on most of his back catalog. Since he used to work with Franke, us TD fans thought it would be a natural for him to come to your label. In addition to getting him signed for the back catalog, of course there are many fans who would LOVE to buy any new releases by Schmoelling, and we absolutely DIE for a Franke/Schmoelling collaboration. Food for thought. Next Article Previous Article Return to Topic Menu Here is a list of responses that have been posted to this article... Johan's Works (3/25/98) Chris and Johan? (9/2/96) The Keep, in hand.. (7/28/96) **THE KEEP**THE KEEP**THE KEEP** (7/25/96) Chris and Johan collaboration!! (5/30/96) Johannes Schmoelling Discography (5/29/96) i have johan, philly (3/5/96) TOUR DATES, JOHAN, THE KEEP (3/1/96) Schmoelling (11/1/95) Whoah! What the heck!?! Lots of stuff on THE KEEP. Neato. I notice, however, that one of the guys conversing here is Phil Derby, who eventually took over the DREAMS WORD from Elana (of Trout renown), so if anything cosmic were said here, one would think that it would've made it's way to the tadream@c... list, right? Well, hold that thought. Okay, I then clicked on the next article, which was 'TOUR DATES, JOHAN, THE KEEP (3/1/96),' and this is what I got: TOUR DATES, JOHAN, THE KEEP This response submitted by JIM , NRGTAXES@O... on 3/1/96. HEY JAMES,THE NAME IS JIM, FROM HOUSTON. JUST EMAILED PHILPDX, AND HE CAN FILL YA IN ON WHAT I SENT HIM AS IT IS LENGHTY I WOULD LIKE TO COMBINE OUR KNOWLEDGE OF TD CHRIS JOHAN AND EDGAR AND HOPEFULLY GET THEM ALL BACK TOGETHER. I HAVE THE KEEP ON CD IT'S FROM TAIWAN. BOOT. HAVE ALL ORIGINAL TD CDS AND ALBUMS, NOT THE REISSUES. I KNOW THESE GUYS'S MUSIC LIKE THE BACK OF MY HAND, AND LOVE TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHERS LIKE MYSELF, ETC. IF CHRIS WOULD SIMPLY EMAIL US ONCE IN A WHILE, IT WOULD STOKE MY FIRE, AND DO US ALL SOME GOOD. COME ON CHRIS WHERE ARE YA, I KNOW THAT YOUR FANS NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU. PUT DOWN THAT CAPPUCINNO, AND THROW SOME BONES TO THE PEASANTS, WILL YA?!! Next Article Previous Article Return to Main Article Article complete. Click HERE to return to the Feedback Menu. Aaaaaaaalrighty then. What in the fuck is this 'I HAVE THE KEEP ON CD IT'S FROM TAIWAN. BOOT.' action?!?!?!?! X-0 The next three messages I see by clicking on 'Next Article' yield nothing KEEP-related, but with the fourth, I strike gold again, like so: **THE KEEP**THE KEEP**THE KEEP** This response submitted by THE DREAMER on 7/25/96. FIRST OF ALL LETS GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT, I WANT THE KEEP!!! NOW THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THIS LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE ABOUT MYSELF. MY NAME IS THE DREAMER AND I HAVE EVERY CD OF TD'S EXCEPT THE KEEP WHICH I HAD AT ONE TIME HELD IN MY HAND ON VINYL IN A JC PENNEY STORE IN MY HOMETOWN SO I KNOW THAT IT WAS RELEASED!!!! THE THING THAT DREW ME TO IT WAS THE NAMER OF THIS REALLY WEIRD BAND, AND I REMEMBER THINKING WHO IN THE HELL IS THIS OUTRAGEOUS BAND AND WHY WOULD THEY CALL THEMSELVES SUCH A STRANGE NAME? THE PICTURE ON THE FRONT WAS OF A CINDERBLOCK TYPE STYLE OF LETTERING THAT SAID THE KEEP LIKE A PYRAMID WITH LIGHT COMMING OUT FROM THE INSIDES OF IT LIKE IT WAS A REAL PLACE YOU COULD GO INTO. TWO PEOPLE STOOD AT THE BASE OF THIS LOOKING UP OR JUST AT IT. I DO NOT REMEMBER ANY OF THE TITLES OF THE SONGS BUT I DO KNOW THAT I LOOKED AND IT WAS A REAL LP NOT SOME KIDDY THING. EVER SINCE THEN AFTER I HAD LEFT IT THERE I HAVE KICKED MYSELF IN THE ASS UNTIL MY FOOT CAME OUT THE OTHER SIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE ALSO LOOKED LIKE A MAD MAN FOR THIS LP AGAIN NOW I FIND THAT YOU HAVE A BOOT COPY OF IT FROM TAIWAN AND WELL I WOULD REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU COULD GET BACK TO ME ABOUT IT SO I CAN GET A COPY FOR MYSELF!!! THIS WOULD OF COURSE PUT ME IN EMENSE DEBT TO YOU AND SO IF YOU HAVE ANY REQUESTS OR TITLES OF ALBUMS I WILL LOOK FOR THEM AND HELP GET A COPY OF ANYTHING I HAVE THAT YOU DO NOT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE HOPE THIS BRINGS!!!! MY ADDRESS IS: THE DREAMER 906 WEST MAIN LOT #44 PERU IN 46970 LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! Next Article Previous Article Return to Main Article Article complete. Click HERE to return to the Feedback Menu. Are we having fun yet? Now then, here's what's next: The Keep, in hand.. This response submitted by jim maples on 7/28/96. I have the Keep , and you can have it if you will help me talk chris into getting with edgar and johan to lay down some tracks. Tough sell I know, but aren't we all dying to see the boys not only show all of the new kids, Future Sound of London, and Autechre, for instance how it is done, but to also hear them do their magic with the digital equipment available to them now. Can you just imagine doing White Eagle in digital format?!, with all of the imaging prowess unmatched by anyone to this day?! Besides, I miss the interaction that only a team of men can accomplish, and no one, or no team has yet to fill the void and legacy that Tangerine Dream accomplished. No one has yet been able to hold a candle to their work, which just goes to show us that even in the 'day of digital', that a hole the size of the Grand Canyon exists between the quality of music ten years ago, to the stuff I am hearing now. The dedication is simply not there anymore, or else I need to upgrade my stereo again. Seriously, have you tried Goldmine magazine? I think you can find it there, as my source for another copy of the Keep literally disappeared one week, leaving me to the record convention vultures. UUGGGHH. email me if ya want nrgtaxes@o... Aloha to the Koala with the Velcro in it's paws. Next Article Previous Article Return to Main Article Return to Main Article Article complete. Click HERE to return to the Feedback Menu. Well, that's all there is about THE KEEP soundtrack in this thread. (Isn't that enough?!?!?!?) Clicking on 'return to the Feedback Menu,' I then click on 'Review General Sonic Images Feedback.' This brings me to http://www.sonicimages.com/Feedback/Feedback.html which has messages from 4/25/95 to 4/18/98! The thing is, the thread involving this Taiwanese KEEP boot was represented only by this heading: Get Johannes Schmoelling!! (10/1/95) Makes you wanna cry, don't it? Anyways, I have forwarded all this good stuff to you as any example of something happening right under our noses here on the net that virtually no one on the tadream mailing list knew anything about!!!!!!!!! :( Does *anybody* here know anything about this 'KEEP from Taiwan'??? Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET: , and BITNET: DREAMS WORD: Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Redshift, Nightcrawlers, R. Carty, Ozrics, Serrie +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. FIVE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG!! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13307 Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( Hermes Guzman Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB 13308 Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( Gabe Yedid Fri 4/24/1998 4 KB 13355 Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( Tdune Sat 4/25/1998 3 KB 13404 Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( Steve Yensen Mon 4/27/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 2:56 am Subject: Re: Favorite Live Albums ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 04:10 PM 4/18/98 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >>I don't think there is a single live album of TD that I don't like >>(Except Tournado): >> >>Live! Improvised!* (Second set) Rheims Cathedral Mar 1975 >>Pergamon Encore* Jan 31 1980 >>'Dreamtime'* Newcastle, England 1981 >>Logotypes* material > > These're boots so they don't really count, as far as I'm concerned. >Granted, there are lotsa nice shows available (widely or not) on tape, >CD boot, and CD-R boot, but the vast majority of us here don't have a >heck of a lot of that stuff. I mean, it's hard enough to keep up with >TD's *official* output! Ok, time for me to get a little abrasive (you learn to compensate). If you are limited on funds, skip everything from 1986-1997 except Oasis, Dream Mixes, Miracle Mile, and 220 Volt live. Then use that money you saved to get Electronic Orgy and a couple of the aforementioned concert recordings. I am rapidly approaching the point where I can say I've listened to the 1981 CD as often as any of the official CDs... >>Encore 1977, Logos 1982, Poland 1983, 220 Volt 1992 > > Yep. These are all good, yet I find POLAND the least satisfying of >the lot. After I play it all the way through, my reaction is always, >well, that's done, what next? rather than wowee but that was cool--what >can I follow up on *that* with? I definately prefer disc 1. > I find it to be the coldest of all of >the live TD I've heard--almost Kraftwerkian! It's extremely sequenced. You need to hear this 1981 CD. You can hear where Logos came from, but it's in the very early stages. It sounds very much like Poland. >>Livemiles 1986 > > In my opinion, 1988 marked TD's first out-and-out forays into New >Age, (OPTICAL RACE was released the very same year) and LIVEMILES >suffers greatly as a result. Suffers? I consider Optical Race refuse compared to Livemiles. I think Livemiles was their last great sequencing piece. Everything after Livemiles truly is New Age. >I think it's not just their worst live >album (even worse than TOURNADO, which is only bad in that it repeats >what is on studio albums too closely), but one of their worst albums, >period. Heh. Livemiles is in my TOP TEN. >THREE PHASE 1992 (on videotape and laserdisk, but not on CD or cassette) > > THREE PHASE is as much a live album as 220 VOLT LIVE, isn't it? The three phase video left a bad taste in my mouth because of all the lame-ass video effects and strobe shit. I *much* prefer the versions of the songs on Three Phase to 220 Volt Live. >Granted, it suffers much of the drawbacks of TOURNADO since it consists >solely of covers of studio tracks, but . . . the versions of 'Phaedra' >and 'Logos' there are more similar to those on TANGENTS, and . . . the I give Three Phase absolutely ZERO credit for the Phaedra and Logos-blue tracks. Why? Because these two tracks have been played between 1988-present. They are almost identical to the Tangents versions. Just like I give Poland zero credit for 'introducing' the first 3 minutes of Tangent because this segment was being played all the way back in 1982 (it was actually part of the Logos concert). >version of 'Love on a Real Train' is unique in comparison to the two >versions (the one that is on ELECTRONIC ORGY and the one that is on the >regularly available soundtrack) that appeared on the original soundtrack. Again, this is kind of moot. I was only mildly shocked at Edgar's statement on the chat last night 'Ok, who's the bastard that put out Electronic Orgy?' I'm sorry, Edgar, but why didn't YOU put this out? These 25 CDs are starting to sound like the 'we're going to take a break and put out 2 studio albums' bit after which TD immediately turned around and did Leg 2 of the European tour. Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 11:57 am Subject: Re: Planetary Traveller ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) Is it available on laserdisc? _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 3:14 am Subject: So, if the guy really DOES have _The Keep_ Mk. I... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid I suggest you contact him immediately, Steven, (he DID leave an address) and ask him for: 1) label 2) catalogue # 3) year of release (if listed) 4) track list and times. He can't be such a boor that he won't share THAT. Post it to the TD guestbook! If they won't let you, I'll do it! ;) If he tries to press you for something though (especially $$) for just that information, I say he's not for real. Ask him if he knows about the debacle surrounding the official release, and TD's denial of the knowledge of 'the original'. Maybe the both of you should get together, and take a trip to Berlin? (Look, I REALLY have my doubts....but I would just LOVE to see the look on Edgar's face if the thing is for real!) The description of the album cover given sounds eerily similar to the one I know for the VHS version. Is that guy sure he wasn't holding a laserdisc? Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 4:10 am Subject: Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all- >Really-From: Molasar, 'Chargin' Up a Few Choice Ray-blasts' 8>< A *WHOLE* bunch of stuff snipped! I'm breaking my own vow here by actually posting something about this $#@%#^ topic again! I suggest, Steven, that you get out your Keep Blue Moon edition boot, flip it over and read what's printed there in the Mfr. ID ring. And to the others who may not have carefully read through the Keep spam; *no one* in that particular thread bought the *original* lp! Only *one* person claimed to *see* it and like every-freakin-body else, he didn't purchase it either! It is finally time to *LET IT GO*! Time to add this thread to the kill-file, Dave. goozer Just kidding about the kill-file...barely. --------------------------------------------------- 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has blurred.' --------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 5:26 am Subject: Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Steven, Steven, Steven... Now that I think about it...this still proves nothing. Really. (The things that creep into your head while studying for exams...) Look it over again. I did. *Nowhere* is there any mention of: 1) the date of origin of this beast 2) its actual contents (could be the Blue Moon boot re-booted, a boot of another Keep boot i.e. Complete Works, or another as-of-yet unheard of boot with music from one of the alleged other 9 cuts of the movie) 3) any claim it is a 'pirate' version of the putative 1984 release. (Which, if it existed, WOULD be a pirate anyway, since it would have been declared unofficial and legally withdrawn.) Are you sure you haven't been hanging out with any farmers who seem too paunchy and smooth-skinned to be what they say they are? Yet you take them at their word, no matter how doubtful their appearance makes them seem? (I'm sorry, but after everything I have seen go by here the past few months, I think I must resign myself to the fact that he continues to believe for no other reason other than he wants to, he NEEDS to.) Now, onto another Keep conspiracy--this time concerning the official release! I'm sure Edgar has had plenty of fine experiences dealing with the powers on high at Virgin. Is it not feasible he may have pushed for a 'special edition' of the official Keep, just to make it available, foreseeing that internal politics at Virgin would conspire to delay the release, perhaps indefinitely? Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 8:37 pm Subject: 'Kamikaze 1989' on German TV ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Kilian' German (and other European) list members: 'Kamikaze 1989', scored by TD, will be shown on the German TV channel ZDF tonight, April 25th at 2:30 AM. Bye, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-14-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 7:37 am Subject: Re: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: Glenn Reinicke > > > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > E Orgy is no ordinary boot since it's including officially released > > tracks > > (although not actually in stock) so it might be considered a 'pirate' > > production rather than a bootleg. > > > > Whadayathink? > > > > ---Francisco > > > I think Edgar is going to come over and put a size 10 German > steel-toed boot up your a** if he finds out that you're the > bootlegger/pirate/'bastard'. I don't think that's a congratulation. Yes, but in a context of a friendly chat I didn't feel it were the right moment to become momentarily angry and send a 'virtual knife' pointing some 'unknown' bootlegger. So I saw this more in the 'friendly' side. Just an opinion of a guy who just read the transcript( not actually being there). ---Francisco PS: Glenn, One thing clear, as everybody knows on this list, I DON'T do bootlegging or Pirating and I'm against profiting with a music whose rights I don't own... Just in case, you know? . From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 6:49 am Subject: Epsilon In Malaysian Pale and Ages ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC If anyone can burn a Cdr of the 'Epsilon' album and the missing track from 'Ages', Please let me know. Thanks, Tom TangerineC@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 1:10 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> E Orgy is no ordinary boot since it's including officially released >> tracks >> (although not actually in stock) so it might be considered a 'pirate' >> production rather than a bootleg. >> >> Whadayathink? I think it's a boot because it doesn't try to represent official material, but any way you slice it. . . > I think Edgar is going to come over and put a size 10 German >steel-toed boot up your a** if he finds out that you're the >bootlegger/pirate/'bastard'. I don't think that's a congratulation. Hey, he should be happy someone still gives a s**t! I think he secretly admires it. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 1:08 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Whew! What a mess the unmoderated chat was! I'm glad I wasn't there, it's like AOL all over again. One thing was cool, though: > Oh yes...that was a question from the mailing list...do you have the 40-odd > minutes of music from Sorcerer that disn't make it onto the soundtrack? Thank you very, very much! Shame they didn't answer. . . Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13319 Re: chat transcript Sean Montgomery Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 1:16 pm Subject: Re: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 12:24 AM 4/24/98 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > >Hi > > >I just wanted to highlight this: > > Question from Tadream: Which bastard is responsible for 'Electronic > Orgy'? We'll get you. >*To RaveHost* Aha! So the band *wasn't* secretly responsible for Electronic > Orgy! > I'll let you know if we get any answers... > >Is this a kind of amiable reprimand?, a secret congratulation? > >E Orgy is no ordinary boot since it's including officially released tracks >(although not actually in stock) so it might be considered a 'pirate' >production rather than a bootleg. I was at first shocked that EO used so much previously released music, but then, that was the point. This 4 CD set was designed for people who have purchased every *regular* release since TD had started, and the most commonly released soundtracks. feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 1:44 pm Subject: LoaRT on Miracle Mile? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Hey, anyone notice how there's a remixed Love on a Real Train on Miracle Mile? I forget which track it is, maybe 'Running out of Time.' Another one to add to the collection. Scott E. Plumer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13320 Re: LoaRT on Miracle Mile? Gabe Yedid Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB 13325 Re: LoaRT on Miracle Mile? Francisco Salgado C. Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB 13328 Re: LoaRT on Miracle Mile? =?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWW Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB 13331 Re: LoaRT on Miracle Mile? Hermes Guzman Fri 4/24/1998 4 KB 13341 Re: LoaRT on Miracle Mile? Michael Fox Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 1:42 pm Subject: Re: VOXEL :I hate it when I'm right! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean > (P.S. to 'Voxel'): Don't worry, ours will still be unique... Yeah...maybe we can do our recorded backwards ( ha ha ) MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 1:51 pm Subject: RE: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I'm sure Edgar has had plenty of fine experiences dealing with the powers >on high at Virgin. Is it not feasible he may have pushed for a 'special >edition' of the official Keep, just to make it available, foreseeing that >internal politics at Virgin would conspire to delay the release, perhaps >indefinitely? Perhaps he running into the same problems that may have nixed the original. That may also be the reason why the movie music and the ST don't match. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13322 Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( Gabe Yedid Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB 13410 Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13419 Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Wed 4/29/1998 7 KB 13429 Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( Mark Fonda Wed 4/29/1998 4 KB 13455 Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( Lawry Simm Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13481 Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( Plumer, Scott Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 1:12 pm Subject: Re: I hate it when I'm right! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 02:50 PM 4/23/98 -0400, you wrote: >> goozer >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring >> at the line between black & white for >> so long that their vision has blurred.' >> --------------------------------------------------- Anyone who does not believe in grey areas SCARES ME and I would probably never want to meet them, for we would get into a political war over a pickle. feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 2:47 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > Oh yes...that was a question from the mailing > list...do you have the 40-odd minutes of music from Sorcerer that disn't > make it onto the soundtrack? > > Thank you very, very much! Shame they didn't answer. . . I'm sure they would have given the same answer they gave to the Streethawk question: 'ask universal'...or in this case, MCA, I suppose. I'm beginning to realize why the band is so testy about these kinds of questions. Legal issues seem to constantly keep their answers beyond the band's control. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 3:29 pm Subject: Re: LoaRT on Miracle Mile? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > Hey, anyone notice how there's a remixed Love on a Real Train on Miracle > Mile? I forget which track it is, maybe 'Running out of Time.' Another > one to add to the collection. > > Scott E. Plumer Hm. I don't know if this deserves to be labeled a LoaRT remix. It's got similar overall construction, yes, but the chord progression used here is more reminiscent, IMO, of the Kraftwerk song 'Sex Object' than LoaRT. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 3:39 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> > Oh yes...that was a question from the mailing >> list...do you have the 40-odd minutes of music from Sorcerer that disn't >> make it onto the soundtrack? >> >> Thank you very, very much! Shame they didn't answer. . . >I'm sure they would have given the same answer they gave to the Streethawk >question: 'ask universal'...or in this case, MCA, I suppose. >I'm beginning to realize why the band is so testy about these kinds of >questions. Legal issues seem to constantly keep their answers beyond the >band's control. Well, they could give the non-a**hole answer: 'MCA owns the rights to that music and we're sorry to say we have no control over whether it gets released or not.' To which I would reply: 'Why don't you buy them back? How much could they be?' To which Ed would reply: 'We prefer to always look forward, rather than retreading our past.' To which I would reply: 'Then why have you released so many compilations?' To which Ed would reply: 'Security! Get this guy outta here!' So, who's the bigger jerk? Ed or me? :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 3:36 pm Subject: RE: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >I'm sure Edgar has had plenty of fine experiences dealing with > the powers > >on high at Virgin. Is it not feasible he may have pushed for a > 'special > >edition' of the official Keep, just to make it available, > foreseeing that > >internal politics at Virgin would conspire to delay the > release, perhaps > >indefinitely? > > Perhaps he running into the same problems that may have nixed > the original. That may also be the reason why the movie music and the ST > don't match. > > Scott What if the problem arose BECAUSE somebody at Virgin realized what's on the OST and what's in the movie aren't the same? (Except for 2 tracks, which were remixed) And now, they don't know what to do with it? In an almost unheard-of flash of corporate honesty, they are having qualms about releasing something they think is (and may well be) a fraud? Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 4:10 pm Subject: Planetary Traveller ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve_Whiteley@N... (Steve Whiteley) Oscar Dean said: >For the record, I have the TD 'Luminous Visions' video/CD set also but I >like Planetary Traveller better. I thought this may have been discussed before, after renting PT I felt the same way. Even my three year old could not sit thru luminous visions yet, but with planetary traveller we watched it three times over the weekend no problem. I'm impressed with this soundtrack by Haslinger he brings a varity of styles and sets up the video wonderfully. Being a sucker for beautiful landscapes the video was a definite joy ride. By the way, my luminous visions CD has been hijacked by an 18 year old 'gothic raver' <- what ever that means. Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 4:39 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Glenn Reinicke > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > > > Really-From: Glenn Reinicke > > > > > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > > > E Orgy is no ordinary boot since it's including officially > released > > > tracks > > > (although not actually in stock) so it might be considered a > 'pirate' > > > production rather than a bootleg. > > > > > > Whadayathink? > > > > > > ---Francisco > > > > > I think Edgar is going to come over and put a size 10 German > > steel-toed boot up your a** if he finds out that you're the > > bootlegger/pirate/'bastard'. I don't think that's a congratulation. > > Yes, but in a context of a friendly chat I didn't feel it were the > right > moment to become momentarily angry and send a 'virtual knife' pointing > some > 'unknown' bootlegger. So I saw this more in the 'friendly' side. Just > an > opinion of a guy who just read the transcript( not actually being > there). > Well, if I had been making my living on creating music (which is a very personal thing) and someone out there was pirating and bootlegging my stuff and enclosing it with infantile pictures of tits and ass to get it sold I'd be pissed off. But that's just me. I was watching the whole chat live and I got the impression that he wasn't happy, plus it was 2am their time at the TDI offices, and I'm sure it was a long day for him. Judging from some of the answers they gave they were feeling a little punchy. I'm not accusing you of being the 'bastard' but I'd stop defending 'him' if I were you. A lot of people on the list write and produce music and share TD's feelings on this subject. I've enjoyed their music since I was a kid and anybody that screws with them tends to piss me off. > . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13334 Re: chat transcript feldon@p... Fri 4/24/1998 6 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 5:44 pm Subject: Re: LoaRT on Miracle Mile? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list escribió: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Hey, anyone notice how there's a remixed Love on a Real Train on Miracle > Mile? I forget which track it is, maybe 'Running out of Time.' Another > one to add to the collection. Yes it's Running out of time. Very nice 'variation'. Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 4:32 pm Subject: Chat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AslanFan1 Where can I find the transcript of the chat? I went to the web page of Dominion but didn't see it? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13327 Re: Chat Sean Montgomery Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB 20414 Chat Grant M Somerville Thu 1/20/2000 1 KB 20502 Re: Chat FGL Mon 1/24/2000 1 KB 30986 Re: Chat Adele Outland Thu 1/3/2002 3 KB 33247 Re: Chat John Vertical Sat 4/6/2002 2 KB 33248 Re: Chat Gustavo Jobim Sat 4/6/2002 3 KB 33538 Chat Morgan Feldon Wed 4/24/2002 2 KB 33799 Chat Morgan Feldon Fri 5/10/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 5:00 pm Subject: Re: Chat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Where can I find the transcript of the chat? I went to the web page of > Dominion but didn't see it? Once again, here's the url of my transcript: http://www.topix.com/~sean/td_chat SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 5:32 pm Subject: Re: LoaRT on Miracle Mile? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' Someone already noticed that in the list last year ; it was somebody who wanted to do a series of LOART songs and related. What would EF think of that? Fred -----Message d'origine----- Date : vendredi 24 avril 1998 16:04 Objet : LoaRT on Miracle Mile? >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >Hey, anyone notice how there's a remixed Love on a Real Train on Miracle >Mile? I forget which track it is, maybe 'Running out of Time.' Another >one to add to the collection. > >Scott E. Plumer > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 6:10 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >gave they were feeling a little punchy. I'm not accusing you of being >the 'bastard' but I'd stop defending 'him' if I were you. A lot of >people on the list write and produce music and share TD's feelings on >this subject. I've enjoyed their music since I was a kid and anybody >that screws with them tends to piss me off. It's one thing to hurt a struggling artist, but quite another to bootleg an established one. I'm not going to get into this yet again, but I doubt EO competed much with TD's official product. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 5:41 pm Subject: LOART again and again ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' I've found in the TD archive the old delirium about LOART. Here it is again, folks! Hope this won't fill your mailbox too much! Fred PS : it wasn't last year... Subject: LOVE IS A REAL PAIN Error Found & Corrected From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 17:24:37 EST Message-ID: <199801082228.QAA17058@c...> Mailing List: tadream@c... Word Matches: LOART --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Really-From: Steven Feldman Gulp. I made a *big* mistake in the Second Version listing. By accident, I listed Side Three of the Audio Kit (the side with the music) as being on the First CD instead of the Second CD. This error has now been corrected, below: ----- Sigh, whoever said that I'm an obsessive type didn't know the half of it, as the following should indicate rather conclusively: (I've run myself ragged trying to fit all this stuff onto to CDs without exceeding the recommended maximum running time of 74 per CD, lemme tell ya!) -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + AMENDED PROPOSED DOUBLE-CD-R RISKY BUSINESS SET IDEA (now entitled 'LOVE IS A REAL PAIN'): -- concocted by Steven Feldman; January 7, 1998 My idea for a 2-CD-R set of every RISKY BUSINESS item committed to vinyl would be to have the entire RISKY BUSINESS AUDIO KIT on one CD, and all the other TD-specific music from vinyl sources (the first pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS LP and the second pressing of RISKY BUSINESS LP, the two TANGENTS remixes, the THREE PHASE live track, the cover tunes on the DREAM MUSIC 2 CD and the Fantasy Merchants CD, and the variant tracks from the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH, MIRACLE MILE, and CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtracks) on the other. The trouble is, there are about 3 minutes' too much stuff for these two CDs if all the long spaces in between the tracks on the Audio Kit are to be preserved. This leaves me with three options: o Remove most of the spaces in between the Audio Kit tracks and put the CATCH ME IF YOU CAN track together with Audio Kit Sides 1-4 on the first CD. o Remove most of the spaces in between the Audio Kit tracks and put the Global Communications remix together with Audio Kit Sides 1, 2 & 4 on the first CD, while relegating Audio Kit Side 3 to the second CD. o Remove the two 'common tracks' from the first pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS soundtrack LP. This last of the three options is a tad tricky since while three (if not four) of the five TD tracks are different, the difference is only blatantly obvious with the first and last of the five, so that finding out which of the other three are indeed different and not the same is somewhat difficult (sort of like comparing the LD tracks from CANYON DREAMS to the CD versions). So, basically, the first version of the proposed 2-CD-R set would have the entire RISKY BUSINESS AUDIO KIT on one CD (along with one track, appropriately titled 'Running Out of Time,' from the MIRACLE MILE sound- track), and all the rest of the TD-specific music from vinyl sources (first pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS LP and second pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS LP)--as well as the two TANGENTS remixes, the THREE PHASE live track, the cover tunes on the DREAM MUSIC 2 CD and Fantasy Merchants CD, the Global Communications remix, and the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH and CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtrack variants--on the other. The second version of the proposed 2-CD-R set would have Audio Kit sides 1, 2 & 4 together with the Global Communications remix on the first CD, and all the rest of the stuff (the music tracks from the Audio Kit, first pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS LP, second pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS LP, the two TANGENTS remixes, the THREE PHASE live track, the DREAM MUSIC 2 CD and Fantasy Merchants CD cover tunes, and the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH, MIRACLE MILE and CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtrack variants) on the other. The specifics of both of these versions are detailed below: _______________________________________________________________________ + - - - - - - - - - - - + | First Version of Idea | + - - - - - - - - - - - + Indexing for . . . FIRST VERSION OF PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK ONE Total running time: 79:10 with spaces between Audio Kit tracks intact ----- AUDIO KIT, SIDE 1 25:00 1. Intro to the Audio Kit 2. Movie Trailer 3. Featurette 1 (TD in the background very briefly) 4. Featurette 2 (TD in the background) 5. Featurette 3 (Jean-Michel Jarre in the background) 6. Featurette 4 (Giorgio Moroder in the background) 7. Featurette 5 (TD in the background) 8. Featurette 6 (Jean-Michel Jarre in the background) 9. Featurette 7 (TD in the background) 10. Featurette 8 (TD in the background) 11. Featurette 9: Chris Franke Interview (TD in the background) 2:30 12. Featurette 10 (TD in the background) AUDIO KIT, SIDE 2 (about 22:43; must flip tape for open-ended #5) 13. News Section 1 14. News Section 2 15. News Section 3 16. News Section 4 17. News Section 5 18. Open-ended Featurette 1 19. Open-ended Featurette 2 20. Open-ended Featurette 3 21. Open-ended Featurette 4 22. Open-ended Featurette 5: Chris Franke 1:45 AUDIO KIT, SIDE 3 12:42 (music runs 11:21--empty space between tracks) 23. Intro to Music Tracks (very brief) 24. Side 3, Track 1: 1:21 25. Side 3, Track 2: 1:46 26. Side 3, Track 3: 3:04 27. Side 3, Track 4: :30 28. Side 3, Track 5: :24 29. Side 3, Track 6: :11 30. Side 3, Track 7: :57 31. Side 3, Track 8: 3:08 Track from the MIRACLE MILE soundtrack (1989) 32. (Track 8:) Running Out of Time 3:30 [similar to LoaRT] AUDIO KIT, SIDE 4 15:15 33. History of Coming-of-Age Flicks The entire kit can fit--resulting in a CD that runs under 74 mins. if all the lengthy spaces in between tracks are shortened. For example, Side 3 (12:42) runs only 11:21 with all the extra space deleted. On average, there are between ten and twenty seconds between tracks. Indexing for . . . FIRST VERSION OF PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK TWO Total running time: 72:04 ----- First Pressing of LP 1. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 2:20 2. (Track 3:) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:55 3. (Track 4:) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:17 4. (Track 5:) Lana 3:52 5. (Track 11:) Love on a Real Train 2:15 Second Pressing of LP 6. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 3:42 7. (Track 3:) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:00 8. (Track 4:) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:18 9. (Track 5:) Lana 3:51 10. (Track 11:) Love on a Real Train 3:58 Tracks from TANGENTS box set, CD #4 (1994) 11. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 3:28 12. (Track 16:) Risky Business [Love on a Real Train] 5:10 Track from the THREE PHASE laserdisk (1993) 13. (Track 8:) Love on a Real Train [live] 3:17 Track by Global Communications (samples from TD's original) 14. Love on a Real Train 13:45 Track from DREAM MUSIC 2 (performed by Mark Ayers) 15. Love on a Real Train 4:28 Track from THE KEEP--THE FILM MUSIC OF TD PERF. BY THE FANTASY MERCHANTS 16. Love on a Real Train 3:28 Tracks from the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH soundtrack (1987) 17. (Track 5:) Go to the Head of the Class 3:03 [similar to LoaRT] 18. (Track 15:) Bonding by Candlelight 1:30 [similar to LoaRT] Track from the CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtrack (1989) 19. (Track 13:) Taking the Test 1:27 [similar to LoaRT] _______________________________________________________________________ + - - - - - - - - - - - + | Second Version of Idea | + - - - - - - - - - - - + Indexing for . . . SECOND VERSION OF PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK ONE Total running time: 76:43 with spaces between Audio Kit tracks intact ----- AUDIO KIT, SIDE 1 25:00 1. Intro to the Audio Kit 2. Movie Trailer 3. Featurette 1 (TD in the background very briefly) 4. Featurette 2 (TD in the background) 5. Featurette 3 (Jean-Michel Jarre in the background) 6. Featurette 4 (Giorgio Moroder in the background) 7. Featurette 5 (TD in the background) 8. Featurette 6 (Jean-Michel Jarre in the background) 9. Featurette 7 (TD in the background) 10. Featurette 8 (TD in the background) 11. Featurette 9: Chris Franke Interview (TD in the background) 2:30 12. Featurette 10 (TD in the background) AUDIO KIT, SIDE 2 (about 22:43; must flip tape for open-ended #5) 13. News Section 1 14. News Section 2 15. News Section 3 16. News Section 4 17. News Section 5 18. Open-ended Featurette 1 19. Open-ended Featurette 2 20. Open-ended Featurette 3 21. Open-ended Featurette 4 22. Open-ended Featurette 5: Chris Franke 1:45 Track by Global Communications (samples from TD's original) 23. Love on a Real Train 13:45 AUDIO KIT, SIDE 4 15:15 24. History of Coming-of-Age Flicks The entire kit can fit--resulting in a CD that runs under 74 mins. if all the lengthy spaces in between tracks are shortened. For example, Side 3 (12:42) runs only 11:21 with all the extra space deleted. On average, there are between ten and twenty seconds between tracks. Indexing for . . . SECOND VERSION OF PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK TWO Total running time: 73:10 ----- AUDIO KIT, SIDE 3 12:42 (music runs 11:21--empty space between tracks) 1. Intro to Music Tracks (very brief) 2. Side 3, Track 1: 1:21 3. Side 3, Track 2: 1:46 4. Side 3, Track 3: 3:04 5. Side 3, Track 4: :30 6. Side 3, Track 5: :24 7. Side 3, Track 6: :11 8. Side 3, Track 7: :57 9. Side 3, Track 8: 3:08 First Pressing of LP 10. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 2:20 11. (Track 3:) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:55 12. (Track 4:) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:17 13. (Track 5:) Lana 3:52 14. (Track 11:) Love on a Real Train 2:15 Second Pressing of LP 15. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 3:42 16. (Track 3:) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:00 17. (Track 4:) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:18 18. (Track 5:) Lana 3:51 19. (Track 11:) Love on a Real Train 3:58 Tracks from TANGENTS box set, CD #4 (1994) 20. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 3:28 21. (Track 16:) Risky Business [Love on a Real Train] 5:10 Track from the THREE PHASE laserdisk (1993) 22. (Track 8:) Love on a Real Train [live] 3:17 Track from DREAM MUSIC 2 (performed by Mark Ayers) 23. Love on a Real Train 4:28 Track from THE KEEP--THE FILM MUSIC OF TD PERF. BY THE FANTASY MERCHANTS 24. Love on a Real Train 3:28 Tracks from the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH soundtrack (1987) 25. (Track 5:) Go to the Head of the Class 3:03 [similar to LoaRT] 26. (Track 15:) Bonding by Candlelight 1:30 [similar to LoaRT] Track from the CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtrack (1989) 27. (Track 13:) Taking the Test 1:27 [similar to LoaRT] Track from the MIRACLE MILE soundtrack (1989) 28. (Track 8:) Running Out of Time 3:30 [similar to LoaRT] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 6:15 pm Subject: Re: LoaRT on Miracle Mile? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all- >>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> >> >>Hey, anyone notice how there's a remixed Love on a Real Train on Miracle >>Mile? I forget which track it is, maybe 'Running out of Time.' Another >>one to add to the collection. Here's the info re:LoaRT mixes taken from the Jan '97 Risky Business FAQ: 'Go To The Head Of The Class'-3 O'Clock High [3:12] 'Bonding By Candlelight'-3 O'Clock High (Simply half of the above track) [1:35] 'Running Out Of Time'-Miracle Mile (a very nice take on the song) [3:31] 'Taking The Test'-Catch Me If You Can (A truly _remixed_ version!) [1:30] 'Poland' ('Love On A Polish Train' remix) [8:40] from _Poland_ (Before anyone gets in a huff, the hi-hat and synth-flute rhytym tracks are identical, as well as the synth-horn melody; do your own cross fade to prove it! Fade in at 2:49 and fade out at 11:29) goozer --------------------------------------------------- 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has blurred.' --------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 6:39 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Glenn Reinicke > It's one thing to hurt a struggling artist, but quite another to > bootleg an established one. I'm not going to get into this yet again, > but I doubt EO competed much with TD's official product. > > Scott > It's called 'right and wrong.' Most civilized people tend to think any form of stealing is wrong. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13335 Re: chat transcript feldon@p... Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB 13337 Re: chat transcript Sean Montgomery Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 7:32 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> It's one thing to hurt a struggling artist, but quite another to >> bootleg an established one. I'm not going to get into this yet again, >> but I doubt EO competed much with TD's official product. >> >> Scott >> > It's called 'right and wrong.' Most civilized people tend to >think any form of stealing is wrong. Of course, the Bushmen of the Kalahari have no concept of individual property, so stealing is a concept unknown to them. And they're far more civilized than us. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 7:41 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 09:39 AM 4/24/98 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Glenn Reinicke > > > >> Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' >> >> >> > Really-From: Glenn Reinicke >> > >> > > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' >> >> > > E Orgy is no ordinary boot since it's including officially >> released >> > > tracks >> > > (although not actually in stock) so it might be considered a >> 'pirate' >> > > production rather than a bootleg. >> > > >> > > Whadayathink? >> > > >> > > ---Francisco >> > > >> > I think Edgar is going to come over and put a size 10 German >> > steel-toed boot up your a** if he finds out that you're the >> > bootlegger/pirate/'bastard'. I don't think that's a congratulation. >> >> Yes, but in a context of a friendly chat I didn't feel it were the >> right >> moment to become momentarily angry and send a 'virtual knife' pointing >> some >> 'unknown' bootlegger. So I saw this more in the 'friendly' side. Just >> an >> opinion of a guy who just read the transcript( not actually being >> there). >> > Well, if I had been making my living on creating music (which is >a very personal thing) and someone out there was pirating and >bootlegging my stuff and enclosing it with infantile pictures of tits >and ass to get it sold I'd be pissed off. But that's just me. Wow, you sure can't take a joke. I love the cover, and I think the cover has *nothing* to do with selling copies. Electronic Orgy contains ALL the music I was missing. I already had all the official main CDs (not soundtracks) and some of their compilation/singles CDs. Honestly? I wish Electronic Orgy had not put so much previously released stuff on disc 4. Most people had the Private Music comp and the Three Phase video. I would have much prefered a rare segment from 1981-83. > I was watching the whole chat live and I got the impression that >he wasn't happy, plus it was 2am their time at the TDI offices, and I'm >sure it was a long day for him. Judging from some of the answers they >gave they were feeling a little punchy. I have never spoken in person with them, but the impression I have gathered so far is that Tangerine Dream does what *they want to do* and could care LESS that fans like their music. Even if nobody listened to their music, they would still produce it for themselves. At least, this is was Edgar has convinced himself of. >I'm not accusing you of being >the 'bastard' but I'd stop defending 'him' if I were you. A lot of >people on the list write and produce music and share TD's feelings on >this subject. Edgar didn't have a problem with Logotypes, from what I gather. He did with Electronic Orgy. If Edgar had told us a year ago what he was putting out on these 25 CDs, maybe Electronic Orgy may not have been made. I certainly don't think Electronic orgy affected sales of TD negatively ONE BIT, except for these 'Singles' that TD has been putting out lately to try to rip people off... (Dreamtime single, Turn of the Tides single, Rockoon single, Dream Mixes 2CD) Forcing people to buy two copies of the same music because of one extra track is EXTREMELY underhanded and disrespectful to the fans. If I had been there, I would have brought that up with Edgar. >I've enjoyed their music since I was a kid and anybody >that screws with them tends to piss me off. Electronic Orgy did not *screw* with TD. TD has allowed the contents of the first disc of Electronic Orgy so rare, people pay sometimes $20 just for ONE or TWO songs off of it. Controlling the distribution of music has only one purpose, to make more money. Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 7:45 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:39 AM 4/24/98 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Glenn Reinicke > >> It's one thing to hurt a struggling artist, but quite another to >> bootleg an established one. I'm not going to get into this yet again, >> but I doubt EO competed much with TD's official product. >> >> Scott >> > It's called 'right and wrong.' Most civilized people tend to >think any form of stealing is wrong. It's called having a clue. Most civilized people are interested in any music they can get their mitts on. If the band doesn't release it within good time (the contents of Electronic Orgy are at LEAST 4 years old), then someone else will. No, the artist did not give up copyright on that music, FAR FROM IT. But, we, the fans, want to hear as much TD as we can, and will trade tapes or whatever to do it. If Electronic Orgy was produced in quantity exceeding 150, then there would have been a problem. feldon@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13337 Re: chat transcript Sean Montgomery Fri 4/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 8:05 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD At 15:32 19980424- -0400, tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Of course, the Bushmen of the Kalahari have no concept of >individual property, so stealing is a concept unknown to them. Did you get that from watching _The_Gods_Must_Be_Crazy_? GDRFC Pete mailto:penfold@a... http://www.artnet.net/~penfold/dev/null 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides on which instruments to take on the road. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 7:59 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > If Electronic Orgy was produced in quantity exceeding 150, then there > would have been a problem. This is an interesting point! Given the trouble that whoever was responsible for EO went to (right down to the screen-printed disks), I'd think that quite a few copies were made. Anyone have an estimate? SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 9:44 pm Subject: Re: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: Glenn Reinicke > Well, if I had been making my living on creating music (which is > a very personal thing) and someone out there was pirating and > bootlegging my stuff and enclosing it with infantile pictures of tits > and ass to get it sold I'd be pissed off. But that's just me. Well, as I said I don't like bootlegging. I think there are better and nicer ways to spread unreleased music between fans ( tape trades by instance). EO went beyond bootlegging when it included commercially released music. THat's why It qualifies as 'Pirate' a much harder term. I would understand TD being pissed off, but the context of a friendly chat about Luminous Visions and on a middle of things completely unrelated to bootlegging I cannot see the seriousness of the question, specially when there were no clue who did it. So since many persons on this list were there, I can only suppose TD guessed it was done by someone on tadream. On I don't see why y > I'm not accusing you of being > the 'bastard' but I'd stop defending 'him' if I were you I don't see on my messages a single word defending that activity, in fact i'm against it, and i mean it. As it happened, I just wanted to bring that phrase to discussion. ---Francisco P.D. I'm going to be out for a week, so my messages will remain unanswered till my arrival From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 8:55 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Glenn Reinicke > Really-From: feldon@p... > > Wow, you sure can't take a joke. I love the cover, and I think the > cover > has *nothing* to do with selling copies. Electronic Orgy contains ALL > the > music I was missing. I already had all the official main CDs (not > soundtracks) and some of their compilation/singles CDs. Honestly? I > wish > Electronic Orgy had not put so much previously released stuff on disc > 4. > Most people had the Private Music comp and the Three Phase video. I > would > have much prefered a rare segment from 1981-83. > I think the cover is more tasteless shit from a small mind. It would have been a tad more original to mangle a previous TD cover or get a little more creative than have some nekid tit on the front cover. That's supposed to be a joke? I just don't equate TD music with sex, never have, and never will. My girlfriend never asked me to put Atem on before a session. (This could start an interesting thread). I love women, but keep them on Bon Jovi albums or Playboy mag. > I have never spoken in person with them, but the impression I have > gathered > so far is that Tangerine Dream does what *they want to do* and could > care > LESS that fans like their music. Even if nobody listened to their > music, > they would still produce it for themselves. At least, this is was > Edgar has > convinced himself of. > I agree with you here. That's the way it should be. > Edgar didn't have a problem with Logotypes, from what I gather. He did > with > Electronic Orgy. If Edgar had told us a year ago what he was putting > out on > these 25 CDs, maybe Electronic Orgy may not have been made. I > certainly > don't think Electronic orgy affected sales of TD negatively ONE BIT, > except > for these 'Singles' that TD has been putting out lately to try to rip > people off... (Dreamtime single, Turn of the Tides single, Rockoon > single, > Dream Mixes 2CD) > I think they're just really busy with tours, albums, s/t's, and gear that the TDI effort has taken so long. Edgar has noted in the past that the Tangents box set remixing was a pain and he wasn't anxious to start that process again. I'm sure he wants to carefully listen, mix, and release his work, and not have stuff released that's not up to his standards. We keep beating them up so bad. When they're in the studio we kick their ass to tour. When they're touring we kick their ass to release old material. In the middle, they're fighting with lawyers and studios. We suck. > Forcing people to buy two copies of the same music because of one > extra > track is EXTREMELY underhanded and disrespectful to the fans. If I had > been > there, I would have brought that up with Edgar. > I agree. The UK Dream Mixes is just one example of this. This thread started from one guy thinking Edgar gave him the pat on the back for his stupid bootleg, when he doesn't have a clue what Edgar thinks. I just couldn't resist shutting him down and I've got one off-line thread going with a guy who has the 'grey area disease' with bootlegs and life. But hey, it's more fun than work at the moment! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13343 Re: chat transcript John M. Poer Sat 4/25/1998 3 KB 13376 Re: chat transcript feldon@p... Sun 4/26/1998 5 KB 13386 feldon@p... Mon 4/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 8:54 pm Subject: SEE YA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: KRAUSENECKS Hi gang, Just writing to let you guys know I am unsubscribing for a while. I have been so busy at work as of late , I just can't keep up with the list the way I would like to. I don't see the oint if I have to erase so much, and can't contribute to discussion the way I would . Maybe if I had my own computer I would not feel so frazzled. I will however stay in touch with several of you , and contribute /finsh all trades and trees I have to tape. I will be back, I just don't know when . TD is my obsession, but I can't let it take over my whole life and lately it has.....SEE YA! Chris If anyone needs to reach me please do so at Bruno@c... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13342 Re: SEE YA John M. Poer Sat 4/25/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 1:21 pm Subject: Re: LoaRT on Miracle Mile? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 09:44 AM 4/24/98 -0400, Scot wrote: >Hey, anyone notice how there's a remixed Love on a Real Train on Miracle >Mile? I forget which track it is, maybe 'Running out of Time.' Another >one to add to the collection. Noticed it the first time I popped it in the player. Got me thinking...'now what else have I heard before in a cheap suit?' Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 11:14 pm Subject: Re: SEE YA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'John M. Poer' At 04:54 PM 4/24/1998 -0400, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: KRAUSENECKS > > >Hi gang, > Just writing to let you guys know I am unsubscribing for a while. I have been so busy at work as of late , I just can't keep up with the list the way I would like to. I don't see the point if I have to erase so much, and can't contribute to discussion the way I would . Maybe if I had my own computer I would not feel so frazzled. I will however stay in touch with several of you , and contribute /finsh all trades and trees I have to tape. I will be back, I just don't know when . TD is my obsession, but I can't let it take over my whole life and lately it has.....SEE YA! >Chris >If anyone needs to reach me please do so at Bruno@c... > Chris, We'll miss you. Come back ASAP. jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 11:19 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'John M. Poer' Is it just me, or is it just a little bit strange for this thread to be pursued with such vigor by a bunch of people who (PROBABLY) all bought the object in question (especially those who are on the 'against' side)? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 25, 1998 2:21 am Subject: Re: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-04-24 14:46:15 EDT, you write: << It's called 'right and wrong.' Most civilized people tend to think any form of stealing is wrong. >> a very subjective concept indeed... tom w np: fsol - dead cities (alot of uncredited samples...stealing?) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 25, 1998 4:39 am Subject: Re: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' Glenn Reinicke said: > > Well, if I had been making my living on creating music (which is > >a very personal thing) and someone out there was pirating and > >bootlegging my stuff and enclosing it with infantile pictures of tits > >and ass to get it sold I'd be pissed off. But that's just me. Anyone making some money off of your rightful creation(s) makes for a good argument. But, in a sense, it's also a tremendous honor. I'm attracting geysers of flame by saying this, but all of the legendary artists such as Pink Floyd, Rush, Tangerine Dream, etc., are the most bootlegged. There's no stopping it. Personally, I imagine it must be an extreme pain-in-the-ass (not to mention a financial loss, pending money-made-back) for anyone to remaster tracks for a boot, press discs, print booklets, distribute, etc.. I simply wouldn't do it. I'm not justifying bootlegging, either. But I will tell you THIS, Glenn: as soon as Electronic Orgy was available, I snatched that baby up!!!!!!!! So, the question is: do you, or do you NOT, own any Tangerine Dream bootlegs? Remember, buttloads of unreleased, high-quality (composition, not necessarily sound quality), unreleased (often superior to studio albums) tracks galore exist on bootlegs. > Wow, you sure can't take a joke. I love the cover, and I think the cover > has *nothing* to do with selling copies. Ditto. The covers were a hilarious idea, since that kinda stuff is so atypical of TD album art. > Electronic Orgy contains ALL the > music I was missing. I already had all the official main CDs (not > soundtracks) and some of their compilation/singles CDs. Honestly? I wish > Electronic Orgy had not put so much previously released stuff on disc 4. > Most people had the Private Music comp and the Three Phase video. I would > have much prefered a rare segment from 1981-83. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And it looks like TD is going to give us just that and more, this year!!!! Glenn also said: > >I've enjoyed their music since I was a kid and anybody > >that screws with them tends to piss me off. Why? Are you related? Keep in mind that Edgar is financially set. He was, a long time ago. Scoring films made Ed some money. ::E:: np: Tangerine Ambience 2 (juicy analog textures!!!!!! this cd is a must!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 25, 1998 4:40 am Subject: Re: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Of course, the Bushmen of the Kalahari have no concept of > individual property, so stealing is a concept unknown to them. And > they're far more civilized than us. Good one, Scott *thumbs up* ::E:: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 25, 1998 4:49 am Subject: Re: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Glenn Reinicke > > > Electronic Orgy > I think the cover is more tasteless shit from a small mind. It > would have been a tad more original to mangle a previous TD cover or get > a little more creative than have some nekid tit on the front cover. But it IS the adolescent, simplistic concept of putting a 'nekkid tit' on the cover that was funny. :-) > That's supposed to be a joke? I just don't equate TD music with sex, > never have, and never will. My girlfriend never asked me to put Atem on > before a session. (This could start an interesting thread). She didn't ask you, but *did* you, anyway? I sure hope not! At least not Atem, hehe...this would be a good thread. As for me, multiple Ozric Tentacles CDs have served their collective purpose in this form of recreation, haha! Talk about *free-form jams*... ::E:: np: Tangerine Ambience 2, 'Stratosfear* (this version is so incredible!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 25, 1998 10:37 am Subject: EO Debacle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA With all these rants about the cover of Electronic Orgy, we've gotten away from the more serious topics. Like if Canadians really DO suck, blah, blah. EO is my first bootleg and I appreciate every minute of it. Obviously the guy who put it together has a better record collection than me and personally, I'm glad he shared. If you don't like the cover here's a tip:Unsnap the cover from the case, remove the disc holder and discard the cover. Go into Photoshop and design your own, snap everything back together and voila, problem solved. As far as the Froese camp losing any money, that's a moot point. From what I've heard, there are like 2 or 3 hundred copies of EO altogether. Not a big bag of cash to anyone. Now, Atem for a hot session? I don't think so. My girlfriend always preferred Side 2 of Tubular Bells. Now, if I could just figure out what album my wife likes....David N.P...The Private Music of Patrick O'Hearn From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 25, 1998 12:56 pm Subject: Franke reference ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: spidey Hi all, just received the April 21, 1998 issue of 'Amazing Sounds.' In it there is an interview with electronic diva Constance Demby of Novus Magnificat fame. Here is a portion of that interview. There is some TD content in there. &&&&&&&&&&&&&& AMAZING SOUNDS &&&&&&&&&&&&&& No. 51 April 21, 1998 What do you think of the definition 'New Age Music'? 'The term has been bastardized, trashed by the press. It's unfortunate. In the 80's we tried to change the term to 'Adult Contemporary' or 'Contemporary Instrumental,' but the die had been cast. Though it has a negative connotation, the music we all are drawn to and want to listen to is found in the new age shelves. Though I am put, along with Vangelis, Enya, and all the others, in the new age bins. I consider myself a composer of contemporary, classically based, symphonic music.' 'Advances in synthesizer technology, combined with lower prices, has allowed many the opportunity to purchase a synthesizer and a tape recorder, making it very easy to create a new age tape. As a result, a glut of 'new age' albums were made as everyone jumped on the bandwagon. According to NAMM (National Association of Music Merchants), there are currently 62 million amateur musicians in the U.S., (many of whom, it appears, decided to make a 'new age' tape.) The listening public needs to exercise and develop a discerning ear in order to sift through the thousands of choices to find the gems.' 'The new age movement has infiltrated the general public to the degree that we have the 'Celestine Prophecy' and 'Conversations with God' on the best seller list, we have insurance companies including acupunture and chiropractics, we have the general public wanting to have healthier lives and bodies, and the spread of new age music into more and more avenues. So it's pretty hard to stop a movement that is dedicated to health, spiritual growth and upliftment. But you will find that many artists, musicians and authors generally do not want to be branded 'new age' because it has been demonized by the press. Hopefully, we will all find the balance.' (Interview conducted by Jorge Munnshe) Oscar Dean np: Steve Hackett - The Tokyo Tapes 2CD (autographed by the man himself!) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 25, 1998 1:17 pm Subject: Claire Marlo? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' I was just browsing thru the Emu sampler page and I was checking Power Users and saw a woman who produced/composed for/with? Tangerine Dream. Her name is Claire Marlo. So does anyone know on which record she performed/produced??? Emu: http://www.emu.com and then press Power Users. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... (just curious) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13354 Re: Claire Marlo? Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 4/25/1998 3 KB 13357 Re: Claire Marlo? David Datta Sat 4/25/1998 3 KB 13362 Re: Claire Marlo? Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 4/26/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 25, 1998 5:01 pm Subject: kamikazi 1989 and others ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: NAdams43 i started watching kamikazi 1989 on zdf last night,zdf is a german tv channel which you can pick up on sky tv for those of you who were not aware.after about half hour i gave up, not understanding german but it prompted me to put the album on,and i can honestly say it still sounds fresh today,the music on it still remains unique, by that i mean not reproduced on any other albums or remixed etc,apart from one track, unexpected death, which i recognise off some bootlegs from around that period of time. i have been reading the arguments about bootlegs on this list recently,this is my oppinion.if i have to buy bootlegs to get dream music that has never been released for whatever reason that may be,whether its because edgars to lazy(which i doubt) or legal reasons, or any other reason you can think of, i will do so,simply because i love their music and will do what i have too to get it,enjoying the music outweighs the moral issue of production of the boots,for me. anyway im going to burn a cdr of various artists (for personal use only) this is my track list what do think. t dream = horns of doom 5.45 t dream = another perspective part 1 3.41 waveshape = abendstern live 11.24 nightcrawlers = modulus four 11.45 neuronium = rendezvous 5.30 red shift = static 5.06 radio massacre international = a minute of silence 6.07 detlev keller & mario schonwalder = far from india 13.13 you = slow go 11.56 np eloy = silent cries mighty echoes (incredible) regards nick. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13356 Re: kamikazi 1989 and others =?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWW Sat 4/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 25, 1998 5:33 pm Subject: RE: Bootlegging 'bastards' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Glenn Reinicke Actually, my motivation in flaming you bootleggers is I'm hoping Edgar's monitoring the thread and will send me one of the 25 Keep tapes that was released in the '80's for my efforts. ;-) > Really-From: NAdams43 > > > i started watching kamikazi 1989 on zdf last night,zdf is a german tv > channel > which you can pick up on sky tv for those of you who were not > aware.after > about half hour i gave up, not understanding german but it prompted me > to put > the album on,and i can honestly say it still sounds fresh today,the > music on > it still remains unique, by that i mean not reproduced on any other > albums or > remixed etc,apart from one track, unexpected death, which i recognise > off some > bootlegs from around that period of time. > i have been reading the arguments about bootlegs on this list > recently,this > is my oppinion.if i have to buy bootlegs to get dream music that has > never > been released for whatever reason that may be,whether its because > edgars to > lazy(which i doubt) or legal reasons, or any other reason you can > think of, i > will do so,simply because i love their music and will do what i have > too to > get it,enjoying the music outweighs the moral issue of production of > the > boots,for me. > anyway im going to burn a cdr of various artists (for personal use > only) this > is my track list what do think. > > t dream = horns of doom 5.45 > t dream = another perspective part 1 3.41 > waveshape = abendstern live 11.24 > nightcrawlers = modulus four 11.45 > neuronium = rendezvous 5.30 > red shift = static 5.06 > radio massacre international = a minute of silence 6.07 > detlev keller & mario schonwalder = far from india 13.13 > you = slow go 11.56 > > > np eloy = silent cries mighty echoes (incredible) > > regards nick. > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 25, 1998 9:01 am Subject: Re: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Aured Azhallein Rancuel >::E:: >np: Tangerine Ambience 2 (juicy analog textures!!!!!! this cd is a >must!) Definate agreements!, but I still think Edgar's reply was hilarious when asked what he thought of Tangerine Ambience - 'Sorry, but we aren't allowed to use four letter words here' :) -Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13399 Re: chat transcript Sean Montgomery Mon 4/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 25, 1998 7:10 pm Subject: Re: Claire Marlo? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 03:17 PM 4/25/1998 +0200, Marcel wrote: >woman who produced/composed for/with? >Tangerine Dream. >Her name is Claire Marlo. >So does anyone know on which record she >performed/produced??? Here are my hypotheses: 1. She really all that, and I never heard of her, because I rarely read liner notes; 2. She is bolstering her resume; 3. E-mu is bragging; 4. She did all that in a parallel universe; 5. She did that for the vintage automobile locator service; 6. She did that for the hotel resort in Mexico; These hypotheses are all equally likely to have occurred. Andrew P.S. But, seriously, if she did anything for/with TD, it would have to be a soundtrack, otherwise we would have heard about her by now. Although, many of the albums TD have put out over the years will state 'Produced by Tangerine Dream,' which COULD mean some unknown contributors to the production process. As Judy Tenuta says: 'It could happen.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 25, 1998 7:49 pm Subject: Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tdune Why is the KEEP thread not welcome at the tderam mail list? After all is TD related, believe it or not there is a lot of people out there (in the list) that love the music, the one that has not been released. After all we have to put up with the silly jokes, the birthdays thread etc. I for one think that any thread relating to TD is valid, after all that is the reason why I subscribe to the list. If I am mistaken please let your feelings be known now. Since (I think) this is a democratic list? Maybe we should take a vote! Vote YES if all topics relating to TD are welcome to the list. Vote NO if all TD topics relating (and not relating) TD are welcome to the list except the KEEP items. If the majority of the list votes NO then count me out, I hope the few people that keep in touch with me will continue to do so. Bye Marcelo G. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 25, 1998 6:34 pm Subject: Re: kamikazi 1989 and others ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' >Really-From: NAdams43 >radio massacre international = a minute of silence 6.07 I love this track ; sounds like Pink Floyd ; they say that the guitarist of RMI doesn't play like that usually. Cheers, Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 25, 1998 10:39 pm Subject: Re: Claire Marlo? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' : P.S. But, seriously, if she did anything for/with TD, it would have to be a : soundtrack, otherwise we would have heard about her by now. Although, many : of the albums TD have put out over the years will state 'Produced by : Tangerine Dream,' which COULD mean some unknown contributors to the : production process. As Judy Tenuta says: 'It could happen.' Well, Clair has 2 solo albums, Let it Go (1989) and Behavior Self (1995). I have both of them, I think they are good albums, the later one is the better of the two. She also did some vocal work on Haslinger's Future Primitive album. It would not surprise me at all if she did some work on a TD album probably during the Private Music era. I don't remember seeing her credited on any of the albums but that doesn't really mean anything. -Dave Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13362 Re: Claire Marlo? Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 4/26/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 25, 1998 11:08 pm Subject: The Tadream Keep Cycle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: David Datta : Really-From: Tdune : Why is the KEEP thread not welcome at the tderam mail list? The Keep thread is certainly welcome on the TD list according to charter. Don't worry, I won't be adding KEEP to the auto-SPAM filter. The problem with the thread is that many people are really, really tired of it. Here is a plot synopsis of this electronic-life drama: Someone asks something about to the Keep. Usually inquiring if it has been released. Someone else posts that there are several bootlegs available and a limited-run (on the TDI Label) official release and there will be an official, non-limited edition release coming out on Virgin sometime this year. Usually, there is also mention that when the movie came out, there was no soundtrack and that the bootlegs, the limited edition, and the official release are missing a lot of music from the movie. Steven responds with a 200-300 line response with the story that he held the LP in his hands way back when the movie was released. Along with a detailed comparison of all of the releases and the movie, all the differing versions of the movie, and anything remotely related to the movie. An analysis of the differing TD music that were modified and used in the movie versus live, etc. (Actually a very good analysis of the whole thing, just something that most long-time list folks have seen at least 20 times by now.) Others attack Steven about his insistance that there was an LP release because no-one has yet come up with a copy of the LP in all these years since the movie. Usual arguments are that even the most fanatic film music collectors, TD, film companies, record labels, etc. all insist that it does not exist. I think that some of these arguments are just made so that Steve will get angry about them. I think this because it never fails that.... Steven defends and argues his position that there was indeed a release, everyone else is wrong, let all those who didn't purchase it back then stand up and be counted, etc... This goes on for 3-4 weeks with this prrof, that proof, and the other proof against this other thing here and that point claimed by this guy and that other person who said something else. Eventually, everyone gets sick of arguing this grand circular argument and things calm down for a while. Then someone asks something about the Keep and it starts over again. This little drama has re-played itself on the list quite often in different variants over the last few years. -Dave Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13360 Re: The Tadream Keep Cycle TWeibre361 Sun 4/26/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Claire Marlo = Claire Torry? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:39:22 -0500 >Subject: Re: Claire Marlo? >To: tadream mailing list >Really-From: David Datta > >: Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >: P.S. But, seriously, if she did anything for/with TD, it would have to >: be a soundtrack, otherwise we would have heard about her by now. > >Well, Clair has 2 solo albums, Let it Go (1989) and Behavior Self >(1995). I have both of them, I think they are good albums, the later >one is the better of the two. She also did some vocal work on >Haslinger's Future Primitive album. [. . .] What are the chances that Claire Marlo is Claire Torry (sp?) with a new last name (i.e. new husband, most likely)? She contributed the vocals to LE PARC's 'Yellowstone Park,' if I remember correctly. -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Apr 25, 1998 11:41 pm Subject: Re: The Tadream Keep Cycle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-04-25 19:09:26 EDT, you write: << This little drama has re-played itself on the list quite often in different variants over the last few years. >> your missive should be required reading for all who join this list...suggestion: get rid of the 'how to unsubscribe' notice and use this...by FAR more useful... tom w np: holy smokes! the KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Relax, Edgar; have some Lady Greengrass. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman After all the unfulfilled promises about multi-CD sets like THE HISTORY OF TANGERINE DREAM, I say he deserves it. The only instance in which I concur at all is re much of the (Miramar) stuff on the fourth CD--and yet, this stuff only really came out in the USA, so as far as European buyers are concerned, the E.O. collection wasn't so much a pirate as a boot. IMHO, what's on Disc One justifes the whole project: the Ones single and the 'Ultima Thule' single on one disc?!?! Why in the hell didn't Edgar see to it that these four tunes were made available a long time ago? (My guess is that if the lyrics to 'Lady Greengrass' were to be made commonly available, Edgar would no longer be able to perpetuate his lame claims that TD got its name from a Beatles tune!) -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unidentified flying objects are nonsense. To hide the facts the Air Force has silenced it personnel.' --Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, the 1st director of the CIA, quoted in THE NEW YORK TIMES, February 28, 1960. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13369 Re: Relax, Edgar; have some Lady Greengrass. feldon@p... Sun 4/26/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 2:26 am Subject: Re: Claire Marlo? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 05:39 PM 4/25/1998 -0500, David wrote: > >Well, Clair has 2 solo albums, Let it Go (1989) and Behavior Self >(1995). I have both of them, I think they are good albums, the later >one is the better of the two. She also did some vocal work on >Haslinger's Future Primitive album. It would not surprise me at all if Indeed! >she did some work on a TD album probably during the Private Music era. >I don't remember seeing her credited on any of the albums but that >doesn't really mean anything. Since that was also the Haslinger era, it would make sense. However, although during this time the album credits were the most generous in their description of the 'help' used, she is never credited with anything. But, as you say, there are many people involved in a production such as TD's, so just because someone is not mentioned doesn't mean s/he is not a contributor. I hope that my attempt at humor was not taken to imply that I don't hold anything but respect to any artist, under any circumstances. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 19, 1998 2:22 pm Subject: CD store ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jen Phillips I just wanted to let everyone know that I've set up a bookstore on my web page through the Amazon.com Associates program. I have CD's, cassettes, videos, etc. listed for sale rather than books. So far, I've got Enigma, Tangerine Dream, Deep Forest and Delerium stuff listed there. Just go to: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/4032/bookstore.html Eventually I'll be listing stuff by Orbital, Dead Can Dance, and any other related groups that I can find. So come on over & check it out. :-> -- Jen jenmp@s... 'or' enigma2@g... Visit My Webpage: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/4032/index.html UIN: 1134643 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 9:10 am Subject: bootlegs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Roger Laufenberg can you get Primus live at the Offshore or when they did cybercast's ta rog Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28753 bootlegs RJ Sat 8/25/2001 2 KB 28804 Re: bootlegs Heiko Heerssen Mon 8/27/2001 3 KB 28805 Re: bootlegs Synthhtnys@a... Mon 8/27/2001 2 KB 28806 Re: bootlegs Heiko Heerssen Mon 8/27/2001 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 9:29 am Subject: any group/artist More prolific than TD? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ben Ohmart With all the stuff they've done, does anything come close to beating their record? Zappa? Elvis? People I don't know? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13398 Re: any group/artist More prolific than TD? Plumer, Scott Mon 4/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: KEEP Laserdisk Commentary Track Wanted ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi, Since at least two people here have the KEEP laserdisk (one is Jeffrey Au-Yeung, but he is an entire hemisphere away), I would like to ask for *someone* here to please make me a copy on audiocassette (or, if you want to be *really* helpful, on videotape, too). Oh, and by the way, I now have Michael Mann's current address: Michael Mann Forward Pass Productions 12233 W. Olympic Blvd., Suite 224 Los Angeles, CA 90064 I obtained it by e-mailing the folks in charge of the LAST OF THE MOHICANS (another book turned into a movie by Mann) who have petitioned Mann for a Director's Cut of LAST OF THE MOHICANS. Their website is . I am in the midst of finalizing a letter to Mann which requests an interview, mentions the two broadcast TV endings of THE KEEP, and asks for a Director's Cut of THE KEEP. -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 6:26 pm Subject: Concert Videos ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Jenkins At the Shepherds Bush, UK concert '97 - (last gig of the UK tour) - I noticed 1 (possibly 2) videographers on stage with the band. I dropped the TD webpage a line asking who they were and why was the concert being video'd - no replyas of yet !!. Anyone on the list have any ideas - is it part of Edgars now massive collection of unreleased concert recordings residing in a 'London lawyers office' ? Steve Jenkins From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 6:59 pm Subject: Majordomo Stuff for Mr. Datta ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Brian Frick Mr. Datta, Could you possibly unsubscribe the address: frickb@l... or Brian.M.Frick@l... and subscribe my address frickblj@w... Thanks--I apologize for doing this this way, but I can't get Majordomo to do it right. Sincerely, -- Brian Frick frickblj@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 8:34 pm Subject: Re: Relax, Edgar; have some Lady Greengrass. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 09:49 PM 4/25/98 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >Why in the hell >didn't Edgar see to it that these four tunes were made available a >long time ago? (My guess is that if the lyrics to 'Lady Greengrass' >were to be made commonly available, Edgar would no longer be able to >perpetuate his lame claims that TD got its name from a Beatles tune!) > > -- Steven Feldman My belief that you are a thoughtful, and well-versed Tangerine Dream fan just went out the window. Edgar has ALWAYS denied that 'Tangerine Dream' has anything to do with the verse 'Tangerine Trees' that appears in the Beatles song which, incidentially, was released quite a bit after LADY GREENGRASS came out. Tangerine Dream is actually an acronym, according to Herr Froese. Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 8:46 pm Subject: LOART on Macula Trnasfer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Well I THOUGHT that would get somebody's attention! I'm going far out on a limb here, but with all this talk about MT coming out on disc now, I dug out my old LP and gave it a spin this morning. PA701 (track 1 Side 2, on the lp) does have early elements that later reappeared in the RB stuff... OR mayve I am just studying too hard! MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13378 Re: LOART on Macula Trnasfer Gabe Yedid Sun 4/26/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 8:52 pm Subject: Re: claire marlo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean I second Dave's opinion, though I liked her first album better... The second one does appear on the WILDCAT label...same as HASLINGER's Future Primitive (which she also appears on)... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Deciphering the Acronym that is Tangerine Dream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:34:02 -0500 >Subject: Re: Relax, Edgar; have some Lady Greengrass. >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: feldon@p... > >My belief that you are a thoughtful, and well-versed Tangerine Dream fan >just went out the window. Edgar has ALWAYS denied that 'Tangerine Dream' >has anything to do with the verse 'Tangerine Trees' that appears in the >Beatles song which, incidentially, was released quite a bit after LADY >GREENGRASS came out. Eep. So true. Whoops. >Tangerine Dream is actually an acronym, according to Herr Froese. A whole lotta anagrams for Tangerine Dream were posted here a few months back. Could it be that Tangerine Dream is an anagram of a German word, or an acronym for something that Edgar made up himself and virtually no one else knows? Has anyone asked Peter Baumann or Chris Franke about this? How about . . . Take A Near-Gratuitous Evenhanded Rooting In Nary Even Doghouses 'Round Edgar's Atrium Moorings? X-0 Yeah, it's lame, but could it be that that is more or less how TD got it's name??? -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 8:53 pm Subject: Unreleased Zoning Soundtrack /Macula Transfer by EF ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Does anyone like to comment on the stuff featured on the Zoning movie ? I take it that the original soundtrack of the movie (from 1986) featured Franke/Froese/Schmoelling stuff but do neither know if it´s almost unreleased elseware stuff nor if the quality is any good. BTW: I´m not talking about Edgar´s music used on the Zoning Video soundtrack. Thanks in advance Jens np: Edgar Froese: Macula Transfer - Arse into gear lads, if you haven´t ordered the CD yet... :-| Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13375 Re: Unreleased Zoning Soundtrack /Macula Transfer feldon@p... Sun 4/26/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 9:04 pm Subject: Goblins Club ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean In the chat transcript TD asked about a riddle hidden the the title of Goblins Club.... What was it??? ALso, the transcript mentions another upcoming chat on MAy 6th.. Will that be TD again, or someone else? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13382 'Luminous Visions' Sci-Fi chat odyssey@o... Mon 4/27/1998 3 KB 13400 Re: Goblins Club Sean Montgomery Mon 4/27/1998 3 KB 13402 Re: Goblins Club Plumer, Scott Mon 4/27/1998 3 KB 13430 Re: Goblins Club Colin Knowles Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 35238 Re: Goblins Club Armin Theissen Tue 8/6/2002 4 KB 35624 Goblins Club Pete Dandy Mon 8/19/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 9:38 pm Subject: Re: Unreleased Zoning Soundtrack /Macula Transfer by EF ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 10:53 PM 4/26/98 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > >Does anyone like to comment on the stuff featured >on the Zoning movie ? The 1995 soundtrack is from-scratch as far as I can tell (I never heard the original soundtrack). The two stand-out tracks on this 1996 release are, incidentially, the first and final tracks, co-authored by Jerome. He is not given credit in any other way than 'Written by Edgar and Jerome Froese.' >I take it that the original soundtrack of the movie (from 1986) featured Franke/Froese/Schmoelling stuff but do neither know if >it´s almost unreleased elseware stuff nor if the quality is any good. Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 9:49 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 01:55 PM 4/24/98 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Glenn Reinicke > >> Really-From: feldon@p... >> >> Wow, you sure can't take a joke. I love the cover, and I think the >> cover >> has *nothing* to do with selling copies. Electronic Orgy contains ALL >> the >> music I was missing. I already had all the official main CDs (not >> soundtracks) and some of their compilation/singles CDs. Honestly? I >> wish >> Electronic Orgy had not put so much previously released stuff on disc >> 4. >> Most people had the Private Music comp and the Three Phase video. I >> would >> have much prefered a rare segment from 1981-83. >> > I think the cover is more tasteless shit from a small mind. You call a naked breast and legs tasteless shit? You uncultured swine. Get your ass to some art museums! >It >would have been a tad more original to mangle a previous TD cover or get >a little more creative than have some nekid tit on the front cover. >That's supposed to be a joke? I think the cover was great and anyone offended by it strikes me as a Puritan. >I just don't equate TD music with sex, >never have, and never will. It really is an Electronic Orgy. It's everything the collectors have that I don't. All the rare stuff that appeared on esoteric labels or singles. I was beyond excited to get this set. >I love >women, but keep them on Bon Jovi albums or Playboy mag. heh. whatever man. You think nudes of women only have a place in Playboy? Where do you live, Iowa? >> I have never spoken in person with them, but the impression I have >> gathered >> so far is that Tangerine Dream does what *they want to do* and could >> care >> LESS that fans like their music. Even if nobody listened to their >> music, >> they would still produce it for themselves. At least, this is was >> Edgar has >> convinced himself of. >> > I agree with you here. That's the way it should be. A music group totally out of touch with their fans eventually lose their place in the musical spectrum. Tangerine Dream did that YEARS AGO. >I'm sure he wants to carefully listen, mix, >and release his work, and not have stuff released that's not up to his >standards. We keep beating them up so bad. When they're in the studio we >kick their ass to tour. When they're touring we kick their ass to >release old material. In the middle, they're fighting with lawyers and >studios. Have you heard the sound quality of Electronic Orgy? This stuff sounds like it came right off studio masters. >I just couldn't resist shutting him down and I've got one >off-line thread going with a guy who has the 'grey area disease' with >bootlegs and life. But hey, it's more fun than work at the moment! Having no grey areas in your life actually classifies as one of the major symptoms of an acute psychosis. feldon@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13386 feldon@p... Mon 4/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 10:15 pm Subject: Re: Sound & vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-04-09 12:55:42 EDT, you write: << ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: szatmari pal Hello again, A new topic has just occured to me: Would you like to share your personal TD video clip? I mean: listening to a particular track do you see a certain color, shape, scene, happenings etc? >> Ok, since no one else will bite, I'll have a go at this game. I've already done two others( Two Bobcats in the Sun and Rising Haul in Silence), but this time I think I'll choose Detroit Snackbar Dreamer. The obvious scene is a diner and a particularly lonely guy sitting on a stool at the counter. He's lonely because he still has trouble pronouncing the English language. Perhaps he's Polish, perhaps he's German. Fact is he only has his wife which he brought over from the Old Country to speak his own language to in the evenings. So, he eats his lunch, a cheap hot dog, and saves his money in hopes he'll be able to go back home one day and impress everyone with how rich and well off he is now. And he hopes one day to be able to buy a nice little house in the suburbs with a little white fence and flowers his wife will lovingly care for. Nostalgia for what he left behind, lost forever because even if he does go home someday, it will all have changed. Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13412 Re: Sound & vision Greg Heil Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13465 Re: Sound & vision AOutland Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB 13468 Re: Sound & vision Greg Heil Thu 4/30/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 10:32 pm Subject: Re: LOART on Macula Trnasfer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > > > Well I THOUGHT that would get somebody's attention! > > I'm going far out on a limb here, but with all this talk about MT coming > out on disc now, I dug out my old LP and gave it a spin this morning. > PA701 (track 1 Side 2, on the lp) does have early elements that later > reappeared in the RB stuff... OR mayve I am just studying too hard! > > MJ 'PA 701' always impressed me as being more of a precursor to 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks'...and there are shades of it that show up in (dare I say it?) 'Birdwatcher's Dream'. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 11:17 pm Subject: Re: chat transcript with joy and fun and sex and sex and sex ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' WaRNING : some people on this list already know I'm completly mad... You have been WarNED. You know how this mail begins, but you don't know how it damn ends. This is the quote from where I began quote: >I just don't equate TD music with sex, >never have, and never will Never made love with some TD music playing? Nor Pink Floyd? Missed something... but choose carefully the albums! Neither *Zeit* nor *Several species of fury animals gathered together in a cave and grooving with a pict- (from memory... that's right?) Seriously, EO, by its contents, is not linking TD to sex but indicates that there is in the 4 discs all that you always wanted to have and hear from TD [and that wasn't released on CD with CD quality FOR YEARS, YES FOR YEARS, DO YOU HEAR MR FROESE!!!???!!!] without daring ask for it (thanx Mr Woody Allen) joke mode off Fred Upon TD fans and patience : to know whether you are patient or not, you can e-mail me privately with Re: patience in the subject line and I will do some statistics. Results will be given in the list. Have you got TS or AM? How many times have you been waiting for **Poland** to be released in 2 CD set? What do you think of **Ages** beeing released in 1998 just because it was 20th anniversary? Does the true version of LOART be released by regular and legal way (you know the LP version with TSCHHEEE at the end...) Add your comments here.................. joke mode off Why can't I be serious? unsubscibe tadream unsubcribe dreamta unsbribesu madrate A Babe Scrim Nude Rust A Barbecue Id Mrs Stun A Barber Cum Dust Sine A Bambi Erect Dun Ussr A Rabbi Recess Mud Nut Ah, there are too many!!!! goto quote Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13384 Re: chat transcript with joy and fun and sex and Stephen Yensen Mon 4/27/1998 4 KB 13397 Re: chat transcript with joy and fun and sex and PNaunton Mon 4/27/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 12:56 am Subject: Thanks to all! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' I'd just like to post a note of thanks to all those who gave me some information on looking for music in the Toronto area. Edward's Record World turned out to be the best shop to browse, but I didn't have enough money to get everything I wanted to buy! Though I had all their TD titles, they had some Police and other bands 'imports' that I wanted to get my hands on... I did end up getting all the non-American SBMs (except PHAEDRA -- long story) and the import vertion of GOBLINS' CLUB. At the current exchange rate, I think I got a good deal on most of them. But half the fun was browsing all the shops and talking to the shop owners/employees... It's refreshing to be in a city where TD is rather well-known (at least more than in Atlanta). All in all, I found Toronto to be a pleasant city: the people were friendly, and there were so many places to explore. To those on the list who live there (or near there), I'd like to express my pleasure at being in your city and look forward to going back... - jim 'If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes...' -- Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer) Blade Runner, 1982 ----------------------------------------------------- 'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13401 Re: Thanks to all! Sean Montgomery Mon 4/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 3:51 am Subject: Rubycon Revisited info ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Mark Mulik' Howdy, everyone! I'm wondering if someone can fill me in on the details for the Rubycon Revisited CD. I happened upon it today while on a CD-buying binge and purchased it. I was disappointed to open it up and find zero liner notes or explanation. Is it a bootleg of original TD music or is it an unauthorized CD using original music, or something else entirely? Sure sounds like someone with a drum machine dubbing over the top of Rubycon in the background. Interesting, but rather disappointing if it's meant to be a tribute. Cheers. The Mummy Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 4:16 am Subject: 'Luminous Visions' Sci-Fi chat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: odyssey@o... >ALso, the transcript mentions another upcoming chat on MAy 6th.. Will >that be TD again, or someone else? The Sci-Fi chat on May 6 (8pm EDT) will be with Steven Churchill, the producer of 'Luminous Visions', the new computer animation video which was produced with Tangerine Dream music. We are planning to have another chat with TD soon. http://www.scifi.com/rave/ http://www.odyssey3d.com/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 12:16 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> Of course, the Bushmen of the Kalahari have no concept of >>individual property, so stealing is a concept unknown to them. > >Did you get that from watching _The_Gods_Must_Be_Crazy_? Acutally, I got it from reading _Nisa, the life and words of a !Kung woman_ for an anthorpology class many years ago. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 11:24 am Subject: Re: chat transcript with joy and fun and sex and sex and sex ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Stephen Yensen >Never made love with some TD music playing? Nor Pink Floyd? >Missed something... but choose carefully the albums! Neither *Zeit* nor >*Several species of fury animals gathered together in a cave and grooving >with a pict- (from memory... that's right?) You mean YOU've never tried it? BTW, isn't it several species of *small* furry animals ...? >unsubscibe tadream >unsubcribe dreamta >unsbribesu madrate >A Babe Scrim Nude Rust >A Barbecue Id Mrs Stun >A Barber Cum Dust Sine >A Bambi Erect Dun Ussr >A Rabbi Recess Mud Nut > >Ah, there are too many!!!! I knew it. Fred's finally flipped. I have the address of a very good clinic in Nottingham. Did me the world of good. Allowed me to play Phaedra in one of their relaxation classes (not that they even noticed)... ;-) Steve. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 12:46 pm Subject: lady greengrass & Tangerine dream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:34:02 -0500 >Subject: Re: Relax, Edgar; have some Lady Greengrass. [...] >Really-From: feldon@p... >At 09:49 PM 4/25/98 EDT, you wrote: >>Really-From: Steven Feldman >>Why in the hell >>didn't Edgar see to it that these four tunes were made available a >>long time ago? (My guess is that if the lyrics to 'Lady Greengrass' >>were to be made commonly available, Edgar would no longer be able to >>perpetuate his lame claims that TD got its name from a Beatles tune!) >> -- Steven Feldman >My belief that you are a thoughtful, and well-versed Tangerine Dream fan >just went out the window. -- don't jump to conclusions yet. >Edgar has ALWAYS denied that 'Tangerine >Dream' has anything to do with the verse 'Tangerine Trees' that appears >in the Beatles song --- WRONG >which, incidentially, was released quite a bit after LADY >GREENGRASS came out. -- WRONG >Tangerine Dream is actually an acronym, according to Herr Froese. -- possibly but I'm really beginning to doubt it. Peter Stoeferle (of Dream Collector) and I have been researching this topic over the past few months as a result of my posts on this topic during the month of December when some of these issues were raised. We will also be discussing the TD album by Kaleidoscope. We have agreed that the results of our research will appear in Dream Collector and then on this mailing list. Please bear with us while we finish our work and then we can attempt to provide some clarity; we already have some interesting results. lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13394 Re: lady greengrass & Tangerine dream PNaunton Mon 4/27/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 1:17 pm Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... Some of the e-mail addresses I have are outdated. If you submitted an old e-mail address to me for the MP3's, and would like to be kept up to date on what new stuff is online, please send me the new e-mail address. Also, anyone else who is interested, please let me know. feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 1:33 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > I think the cover is more tasteless shit from a small mind. It On the contrary, I find it quite the opposite. Were it straight B&W, rather than red-tinted, it would have reminded me of the work of Robert Mapplethorpe or his ilk. Titillating yet tasteful. >standards. We keep beating them up so bad. When they're in the studio we >kick their ass to tour. When they're touring we kick their ass to >release old material. In the middle, they're fighting with lawyers and >studios. We suck. Do we? Who gives them the money to continue making music? I think all we ask is that we be treated like we matter. >Edgar thinks. I just couldn't resist shutting him down and I've got one >off-line thread going with a guy who has the 'grey area disease' with >bootlegs and life. But hey, it's more fun than work at the moment! That's me! That tag line notwithstanding, people who _don't_ see things in shades of grey are those who start wars, kill people for their beliefs, etc. Seeing everything as black and white is _very_ dangerous, IMHO. BTW, you may find it interesting to note that many artists have released live albums as a response to bootleggers. A more complete list can be found in Clinton Heylin's book _Bootleg_, but off the top of my head here are a few: Pink Floyd, Bob Dylan, Frank Zappa, Bruce Springsteen, and Aerosmith. So if it weren't for bootlegs, we mightn't have live albums from these artists. Morally ambiguous, yes, but they do serve a vital role. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 1:35 pm Subject: GeoGuide Statistics Report & Keep joke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Membername: scottplum >Qualified Impressions for SunsetStrip/Palladium5728: 90 >Additional GeoTickets earned this period: 90 I'd just like to thank all of you who went to my page to check out my Keep hoax, allowing my Geoticket balance to grow so much. Thanks. :-) Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13396 Re: GeoGuide Statistics Report & Keep joke PNaunton Mon 4/27/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 1:49 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >argument. But, in a sense, it's also a tremendous honor. I'm attracting Peter Buck of REM once said 'I knew we made it when I found we'd been bootlegged.' Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 1:51 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Atem, hehe...this would be a good thread. As for me, multiple Ozric >Tentacles CDs have served their collective purpose in this form of >recreation, haha! Talk about *free-form jams*... Well, we have a 7-month-old baby, so all we listen to in the boudoir is The Sounds of Silence. :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 2:36 pm Subject: Re: fun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' >Really-From: Stephen Yensen > > >>Never made love with some TD music playing? Nor Pink Floyd? >>Missed something... but choose carefully the albums! Neither *Zeit* nor >>*Several species of fury animals gathered together in a cave and grooving >>with a pict- (from memory... that's right?) > >You mean YOU've never tried it? It was just an idea ; do and think what you want! It's democratic, no? > > >BTW, isn't it several species of *small* furry animals ...? > > Oh, I'm so sorry, yes it is, you're right. I had to make a real fault there, so far I know I'm right for the rest. note : You may use a soft to make your web site instead of writing HTML in extenso! >>unsubscibe tadream >>unsubcribe dreamta >>unsbribesu madrate >>A Babe Scrim Nude Rust >>A Barbecue Id Mrs Stun >>A Barber Cum Dust Sine >>A Bambi Erect Dun Ussr >>A Rabbi Recess Mud Nut >> >>Ah, there are too many!!!! > >I knew it. Fred's finally flipped. > >I have the address of a very good clinic in Nottingham. Did me the >world of good. Allowed me to play Phaedra in one of their relaxation >classes (not that they even noticed)... ;-) I'm not curable. Sorry again. > >Steve. > > Fred, the mad man You can return now to trivial dialog... (3 fans can't be wrong, EF throwed away from the 7th floor, yes it is, no it isn't, but I saw it ; ...) PS (for those who won't) You know what's a **pict**? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13393 Re: fun Greg Heil Mon 4/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 4:11 pm Subject: RE: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Glenn Reinicke You're one of those guys that buys vaseline by the drum, don't you? > Really-From: feldon@p... > > > You call a naked breast and legs tasteless shit? You uncultured swine. > Get > your ass to some art museums! > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 4:22 pm Subject: Re: fun ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > >Really-From: Stephen Yensen > > > > > >>Never made love with some TD music playing? Nor Pink Floyd? I have! 'Tournado' and '220 Volt' heehee but when I put on 'Oxygene' she said 'who in the hell would make *music* like this and why would they want to anyway--it's all synthesizer c**p?' Well that peed me off and our session was up prematurely.. =) outcome: she's gone.. I'm hoping to get back together with the one who loves Kraftwerk's 'Home Computer'... hehee Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 4:45 pm Subject: Re: lady greengrass & Tangerine dream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton In a message dated 98-04-27 08:48:45 EDT, you write: << we already have some interesting results. lars >> Inquiring minds want to know...........'Keep' me informed. Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 4:45 pm Subject: Re: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton In a message dated 98-04-27 09:28:33 EDT, you write: << Morally ambiguous, yes, but they do serve a vital role. Scott >> Like Drug Addiction is to Needle Exchange Programs. ;-) Just kidding - - - - no, really. I belong to the Freedom of Choice Party. What you do with the 'Body' of your recordings is _your_ business. Keep your bloody hands off my reproduction equipment! Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 4:45 pm Subject: Re: GeoGuide Statistics Report & Keep joke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton In a message dated 98-04-27 09:31:02 EDT, you write: << I'd just like to thank all of you who went to my page to check out my Keep hoax, allowing my Geoticket balance to grow so much. Thanks. :-) Scott >> 'What is this thing called 'Hoax'?' It's a Keep-er! Phil Naunton NP -- Throbbing Gristle '..favorite hits...' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 4:45 pm Subject: Re: chat transcript with joy and fun and sex and sex and sex ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PNaunton In a message dated 98-04-27 08:34:13 EDT, you write: << Never made love with some TD music playing? Nor Pink Floyd? >> ....or in a French Cemetary with Jim Morrison de-composing in the background; 'Come on, baby, light my fire!' Phil Naunton From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 5:36 pm Subject: RE: any group/artist More prolific than TD? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >With all the stuff they've done, does anything come close to beating their >record? Zappa? Elvis? People I don't know? I doubt it. Zappa's catalog is much smaller, and Elvis wrote only a small portion of his songs. Even many attributed to him were written by ghost writers. Even other bands that have been around as long don't come close. TD is unique in that they have been productive during every year of their existence, except for 67-69. According to my book, they have 106 total releases. Broken down: 24 Studio albums 9 Live albums (Well, _purported_ to be live :-) 15 Compilations 24 Soundtracks (Only counting the Keep once :-) 34 Singles 1997 was their most prolific year, with nine releases. They become more prolific as they move on. My book is 90 pages, and up to 1983 takes 37 pages, with the rest taken up by '83 - '98. 1990 starts on page 59. Hmmm... Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 6:30 pm Subject: Re: chat transcript ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > I still think Edgar's reply was hilarious when asked what he thought of > Tangerine Ambience - 'Sorry, but we aren't allowed to use four letter > words here' :) It was made more hilarious - 10 lines later - when they were asked what equipment they had used on Dream Mixes. They answered with: 'everything but industry modules and half-baked shit'. Hmmmm.... SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 6:36 pm Subject: Re: Goblins Club ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > In the chat transcript TD asked about a riddle hidden the the title of > Goblins Club.... What was it??? I wrote to the TD office about this. The best anagrams I was able to come up with were 'bulb closing', 'sculling Bob', and 'cull sobbing' But I have yet to receive a reply. I'd still like to know what the deal is with the numbers that are printed on the globe that the clown is holding. I'm sure a life-shattering secret is waiting to be revealed there. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 6:41 pm Subject: Re: Thanks to all! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > All in all, I found Toronto to be a pleasant city: the people > were friendly, and there were so many places to explore. To those > on the list who live there (or near there), I'd like to express my > pleasure at being in your city and look forward to going back... Another satisfied customer! :-) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 7:24 pm Subject: RE: Goblins Club ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> In the chat transcript TD asked about a riddle hidden the the title of >> Goblins Club.... What was it??? >I wrote to the TD office about this. The best anagrams I was able to come >up with were 'bulb closing', 'sculling Bob', and 'cull sobbing' But I >have yet to receive a reply. >I'd still like to know what the deal is with the numbers that are printed >on the globe that the clown is holding. I'm sure a life-shattering secret >is waiting to be revealed there. Maybe it's another Publius Enigma like with Pink Floyd back in '94. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 7:20 pm Subject: Macula Transfer soon be deleted !! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Wouter Bessels Hi tadreamers, Some of you dreamers may already know the following info, but I've just heard the incredible news, that the latest CD edition of 'Macula Transfer' by Edgar Froese, will not be pressed again. The first pressing contained 1000 copies, and when they're gone, they're gone. There won't be any further pressings. Ed wasn't very happy with this reissue on Manikin records, and according to what I've heard, the CD will be re-released (on Virgin ??) at some point with a 'remixed' version on it. So, if you haven't got a copy of this masterpiece yet, be sure you won't be the last !! You can order your copy direct from Manikin records or other suppliers (like Groove). I'm not mentioning the e-mail addresses, because this ain't a commercial message, but just a warning that Macula Transfer will become very, very rare. And I think you all deserve this CD !! But I do hope for reiisues of Kamikaze and Epsilon on CD. Anyone has a spare copy ?? Also wanted: the Schmoelling CDs (Zoo and White Out). Cheers and hope to hear from you soon, concerning the wanted CDs !! Wouter. np. TD - live Hamburg 1980 (the best Silver Scale there is) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13405 Re: Macula Transfer soon be deleted !! Jens Peschke Mon 4/27/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 4:27 pm Subject: Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Steve Yensen' >Why is the KEEP thread not welcome at the tderam mail list? Yes, it is TD related, which as you say is more relevant than some of the crap that has been posted recently. What a minority of the list is whinging about is that they insist that The Keep was not released in 1984, because THEY have not seen it with their own eyes. This does NOT constitute proof, IMO. IMO Steven has guts in having the courage of his convictions. If he has handled the album, then I'm afraid nothing whatsoever will alter that fact, absolutely nothing. That goes for the other four fans. The 'official line' is that this is the first release. Another official line is that only 150 copies of the keep 'limited edition' were sold during the European tour. I bought five of them at the Nottingham gig and there were plenty more in the box. I believe that the figure was much much higher. Edgar is merely saying what he is told to say. I would dearly love to see an original copy surface, to confound all the doubting Thomases in the list. All IMHO of course. Take it or leave it. So I'll vote YES to 'Keep' this thread going! Steve. HOME - syensen@i... WORK - Stephen.Yensen@s... P.S. I am a Christian, but that does not mean that I have to shake hands with God to prove it! The word is FAITH. Pure and simple. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 8:14 pm Subject: Re: Macula Transfer soon be deleted !! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: Wouter Bessels >Ed wasn't very happy with this reissue on Manikin records, and according to >what I've heard, the CD will be re-released (on Virgin ??) at some point >with a 'remixed' version on it. Although Paramount (sp?) was owning the rights, Edgar still had a kinda veto. Manikin bought the rights from P. and they didn´t asked Edgar for the permission, that´s all. Edgar´s lawyer is already active, btw. Once again Edgar rules the land ! I´m *really* looking forward to the remixed version. The Manikin release just contains the original stuff, btw. It seems to be not good enough for us mere mortals, you´re bloody right Edgar ! >So, if you haven't got a copy of this masterpiece yet, be sure you won't be >the last !! You can order your copy direct from Manikin records or other >suppliers (like Groove). I'm not mentioning the e-mail addresses, because >this ain't a commercial message, but just a warning that Macula Transfer >will become very, very rare. And I think you all deserve this CD !! Eurock stocks them as well, the 1st place for you Americans to order it, btw. Wouter is right, sadly. We´ll have yet another rare TD-related release very soon. MC fits on a CD-R together with the missing Ages track, btw! I bet we´ll see a EO II very soon. Beat the pirates, sod them ! Kind Regards Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 4:43 pm Subject: Re: Macula Transfer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby' Just thought I'd repost this section of one of my previous EMails, considering today's news. > While I'm on the topic of CDs, I'd also like to announce that Horizon > Music will have copies of Macula Transfer to order for both > subscribers and non-subscribers. The price before shipping for > subscribers is $15, and non-subscribers $18. Those of you who need > shipping or address information should contact me off-list. These > discs should be ready for shipment within 4-6 weeks. -B. Kirby 'Writers are monkeys who mean' - David Foster Wallace From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Apr 27, 1998 9:32 pm Subject: Re: Unreleased Zoning Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Really-From: feldon@p... >The 1995 soundtrack is from-scratch as far as I can tell (I never heard the >original soundtrack). The two stand-out tracks on this 1996 release are, >incidentially, the first and final tracks, co-authored by Jerome. He is not >given credit in any other way than 'Written by Edgar and Jerome Froese.' Thanks Morgan, but I wasn´t asking for the Soundtrack of the Video release done by Edgar Froese (with a little help from Jerome). Zoning was a German movie that came out in 1986 and featured music done by Franke/Froese/Schmoelling. It was broadcasted at least once on the German TV channel WDR. The music seems to be available on CD-R. I never heard the music so far and just wanna know if it contains unreleased stuff and if it´s worth getting. Kind Regards Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 28, 1998 1:25 pm Subject: Re: Out of Lurker Mode Briefly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-04-28 00:58:31 EDT, you write: << a naked breast is NOT PORNOGRAPHY. >> arabia... tom w np: prototype 909 - joined at the head Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13418 Re: Out of Lurker Mode Briefly Plumer, Scott Wed 4/29/1998 4 KB 13420 Re: Out of Lurker Mode Briefly feldon@p... Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Should We Keep on Investigating THE KEEP? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Message-Id: <199804281006.FAA24961@c...> >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:56:24 +0000 (GMT) >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :( >Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > >The problem with the old Keep, as I see it, is complex. [. . .] Maybe >it wasn't really an album - perhaps it was a promo cardboard cut-out, >etc. [. . .] What I saw was in shrink-wrap, had a price sticker on it, and had something heavy inside it. ;) >[. . .] If Steven ever does find the album, and deems to declare it to >the list, I wonder how many will still not be satisfied with a scanned >cover and a track listing? Hey, it might even work out that all I wind up with is the music on tape. *That* would really suck, now, wouldn't it? ;) >All I ask, as far as the Keep is concerned, is that Steven keeps us >abreast of his findings, but that he does so without resorting to the >many thousand word theses which usually accompany his posts. [. . .] Would you prefer that I post seven different subject-specific smaller posts each time? Jeesh. I only pipe up with something if and when I find something worthy of mentioning. As for KEEPing you aBREAST (ooo, an E.O. reference, woweee) of my findings, sorry, but that is now going on at my KEEP Mailing List--which is subscribed to by all of eleven people (so far, anyways). In the past year, I have responded to two false alarms, a hoax (the 8-track), and now a shaggy-dog story with someone in England who claims to have had the album then sold it but has a tape of it--which he has mislaid. :( (This particular melodrama is still in progress, by the way.) >>The 'official line' is that this is the first release. Another official >>line is that only 150 copies of the keep 'limited edition' were sold during >>the European tour. I bought five of them at the Nottingham gig and there >>were plenty more in the box. I believe that the figure was much much >>higher. Edgar is merely saying what he is told to say. > >That's an interesting point. The Glasgow show I went to was the third on >the tour. Which one did you go to Stephen? I bought only 2 Keeps, but if >only 150 were available, I cannot believe that they had enough left over >from the tour to sell through some mail order outlets too. It was a >what, 10 date tour of the UK? That's only 15 CDs per show. I cannot >accept that they did not achieve sales of more than 15 Keep CDs per >show, even if they did have a number of other items for sale. Not to mention the fact that the TDI website originally said that the ltd. ed. KEEP CDs would be alotted to web surfers who signed up for one--then welched on the deal by never following up on it and selling it out on the tour instead. :( >>So I'll vote YES to 'Keep' this thread going! > >Ditto. Ditto, *here*, too. (Duh!) >>P.S. I am a Christian, but that does not mean that I have to shake >>hands with God to prove it! The word is FAITH. Pure and simple. > >Perhaps ironically, I have more faith in there being a Keep LP than a >God. But then we're getting slightly off-topic, aren't we? I have some faith that God might exist. I have lots of faith that UFOs and visiting aliens exist (sorry, but I've read over 20 books on the subject in the past three years). THE KEEP, however, is not a matter of faith. I *know* that *it* exists! (No doubt whatsoever.) >Message-Id: <199804281229.HAA26580@c...> >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:33:41 +0200 >Subject: Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :( >Really-From: jpeschke@s... > >Having heard the KEEP 497, the 'complete works' and the 'Blue Moon (TM)' >release I can4t see anything of interest in a KEEP OSTRON discussion. >The KEEP is highly overated. For someone who isn't too keen on THE KEEP, you seem to have an awful lot of versions of it. Ho ho. >Option one: Stevo is wrong, he saw a bootleg/pirate/promo whatever >Fine by me. Oh, that's right, I forgot: record store chains (I saw it at a Strawberries) carry bootlegs and pirates and sell promos, too. Thanks for reminding me. X-0 >Option two: Stevo is right, a KEEP album exists. >What4s worth ? Well I could quote Klaus Kinski ;-) Who's he? ;) -- Steven Feldman --------------------------------------------------------------------- 'I don't give a damn on what the journalists are saying. If some dog pees at a tree, the tree won't fall down!' -- Klaus Kinski Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13421 Re: Should We Keep on Investigating THE KEEP? Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13424 Re: Should We Keep on Investigating THE KEEP? Mark Kosten Wed 4/29/1998 4 KB 13427 Re: Should We Keep on Investigating THE KEEP? Dan J. Schulte Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13431 Re: Should We Keep on Investigating THE KEEP? Plumer, Scott Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13460 Re: Should We Keep on Investigating THE KEEP? Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 28, 1998 12:33 pm Subject: Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jpeschke@s... Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >I think the 'whinging' 'minority' actually splits into two camps : >those that don't believe and those that are just pissed off at those >that do believe and those that don't having such a verbose and >oft-repeated discussion about it. Craig, don´t forget those who just don´t care about whether it has been released or not. Having heard the KEEP ´97, the 'complete works' and the 'Blue Moon (TM)' release I can´t see anything of interest in a KEEP OSTRON discussion. The KEEP is highly overated. Option one: Stevo is wrong, he saw a bootleg/pirate/promo whatever Fine by me. Option two: Stevo is right, a KEEP album exists. What´s worth ? Well I could quote Klaus Kinski ;-) Kind Regards Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 28, 1998 9:02 am Subject: Re: 2 Zoning CDs? Which is which?/Macula transfer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >I'm confused. I didn't see anything about 'Zoning' in the discography. Now, there >are two different versions out there? Yes, there are 2 versions. >I was asking for the music used on the movie, which isn´t available on any officially CD. Agagin thats right - not on an official one :-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... upd. 27-4-'98 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13425 Re: 2 Zoning CDs? Which is which?/Macula transfer Jens Peschke Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 28, 1998 3:31 am Subject: Re: Sound & vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: szatmari pal > > > > >> > Would you like to share your personal TD video clip? > > I mean: listening to a particular track do you see a certain > color, shape, scene, happenings etc? I have a TD clip for the track 'Hyperborea' it's very literal to what is done in the music.. if anyone is interested. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 28, 1998 7:54 pm Subject: It's getting warmer in here... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AslanFan1 Hmmm, a thoughtful question and statement, deserving an equally thoughtful q&s: I'm from the United States, land of the free, home of the brave (as in willing to stand up for what one believes in). And my definition of pornography is not defined by nakedness of specific body parts but the context and purpose to which the body part appears. The cover in the context it was delivered fits the description. I dont doubt we could come up with countless examples of smut that further pushed the envelope of social acceptance than this cover, but it doesn't change my opinion. It is what it is. New topic: Does anyone know what Virgin's deal is with The Keep? Why the delay and will it release on both sides of the pond at the same time? If anyone gets another shot at a chat with TD, I'd love to hear an answer to the question of whether Jerome has plans to release a solo album in the near future. Now playing Manikin's release of Macula Transfer. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13414 Re: It's getting warmer in here... Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13426 Re: It's getting warmer in here... Dan J. Schulte Wed 4/29/1998 4 KB 13432 Re: It's getting warmer in here... feldon@p... Wed 4/29/1998 4 KB 13435 Re: It's getting warmer in here... Brian E. Kirby Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13529 feldon@p... Mon 5/4/1998 3 KB 13434 Re: It's getting warmer in here... Plumer, Scott Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13436 Re: It's getting warmer in here... Marcel Engels Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13439 Re: It's getting warmer in here... Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13440 Re: It's getting warmer in here... Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 28, 1998 8:41 pm Subject: Re: It's getting warmer in here... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: AslanFan1 > > If anyone gets another shot at a chat with TD, I'd love to hear an answer to > the question of whether Jerome has plans to release a solo album in the near ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hopefully not. Since Edgar seems to have given Jerome the reins of the TD carriage, a Jerome solo (unless he did something really whacked out or different, like an opera, haha!) would probably just sound like a TD cd. We're getting 'Lion's Share' this year, so I'm sure the J will have his paws all over that. ::E:: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 28, 1998 6:08 pm Subject: Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :( (fwd) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Hello folks, here's Phil Derby's response as to his role in this Keep info on the Sonic Images web site. With his permission: On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Phil PDX wrote: > I wrote the thing on the Sonic Images web page about wanting to see > Schmoelling and Franke do a new CD. The rest means nothing to me. I have no > idea who the guy is that said he sent me a long email about The Keep and other > releases he owns. I must've thought it was junk email and deleted it without > reading it, if he sent me one. > > Interesting how one's name gets bandied about. :-) > Phil > That settles that for me. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 28, 1998 3:48 pm Subject: Re: Zoning 86/ Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > The music from the 86 Zoning was based about the song Vermilion Sands... > > I give the cover on EO a thumbs down... Not tasteless, but certainly not > artistic... Juvenile at best... I would have much preferred to see her > eyes... > > MJ Those are her eyes, dummy!!! Er...oh wait....hehe Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13417 Re: Zoning 86/ Orgy Michael A Jean Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 28, 1998 1:57 pm Subject: Re: Zoning 86/ Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean The music from the 86 Zoning was based about the song Vermilion Sands... I give the cover on EO a thumbs down... Not tasteless, but certainly not artistic... Juvenile at best... I would have much preferred to see her eyes... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 28, 1998 1:22 pm Subject: RE: Out of Lurker Mode Briefly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >The Orgy cover was tasteless. I had to make a different insert so I could keep >it around the house. Call me Puritanic, Steve, I can live with that. It >strikes me as pretty crappy to judge someone for being too prudish about >pornography. We are a confused society these days. I'm not confused. I'm a proud consumer of porn! I don't think the cover was tasteless enough! Italy, now _that's_ a confused society! >As for it beting art, ponder this: >Crap under glass in the Smithsonian is still crap. Depending on how it's presented, it could be art as well. Art is defined as anything that is produced or presented with artistic intent. Certainly there is an element on this list that believes that TD's recent output is less 'artful' than, say, their late-'70s output. But is it? I think so, based on what Ed has said. What about the Spice Girls? (Uh-oh!) Without comparing the two (TD & SG, not Posh & Ginger :-), I'd say that they present their music & performance not with artistic intent, but with the intent to entertain. Therefore their music is not art. I'm not judging the quality of their work, just what I believe their intent is. Erotic art is every bit as artistic as a still-life of flowers in a vase. Maybe even more so, since erotic art often attempts to titillate and excite (Though not necessarily sexually excite). By comparison, EO is tame compared to many boots: The Rolling Stones' Rim Shout, and Roxy Music's Bitter Sweet, e.g. and even tame compared to many legitimate albums: Blind Faith, Jane's Addiction's Ritual de lo Habitual, and the original cover for Spinal Tap's Smell the Glove. What's so offensive about the human body? Especially presented in such a way that it completely lacks context? It's really no different than an illustration you might see in a medical book. I think you're overreacting. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 28, 1998 10:56 am Subject: Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Really-From: 'Steve Yensen' > >>Why is the KEEP thread not welcome at the tderam mail list? > >Yes, it is TD related, which as you say is more relevant than some of the >crap that has been posted recently. Agreed. >What a minority of the list is whinging about is that they insist that The >Keep was not released in 1984, because THEY have not seen it with their own >eyes. This does NOT constitute proof, IMO. I think the 'whinging' 'minority' actually splits into two camps : those that don't believe and those that are just pissed off at those that do believe and those that don't having such a verbose and oft-repeated discussion about it. Even posts like yours and mine, Stephen, add to this verbosity and hence piss some off even more. 8-) >IMO Steven has guts in having the courage of his convictions. If he has >handled the album, then I'm afraid nothing whatsoever will alter that fact, >absolutely nothing. That goes for the other four fans. Indeed. You cannot change the past. You can change the history books to make people think the past was different, and people's memory can be changed (either by themselves or by 'brain-washing'), but you cannot change what happened in the past. The problem with the old Keep, as I see it, is complex. There are a number of people who believe they have held it in there hands. None of those people actually bought it, for whatever reason. This is a big plus for the doubters. Maybe it wasn't really an album - perhaps it was a promo cardboard cut-out, etc. Of course, the doubters then pour scorn on whichever attempt at proof is offered as to the iems existance. If Steven ever does find the album, and deems to declare it to the list, I wonder how many will still not be satisfied with a scanned cover and a track listing? Clearly, the doubters have more 'official' 'facts' on their side - recent searches have suggested that no such release ever occured and the TD office has always denied knowledge of it. However, the believers have a weight of anecdotal evidence from a seemingly disparate number of sources which suggest that something did happen back in 1984. All I ask, as far as the Keep is concerned, is that Steven keeps us abreast of his findings, but that he does so without resorting to the many thousand word theses which usually accompany his posts. I'm sure once you finally find it, everyone will want to know all the details - and then you can tell us all to stuff it! 8-)) >The 'official line' is that this is the first release. Another official >line is that only 150 copies of the keep 'limited edition' were sold during >the European tour. I bought five of them at the Nottingham gig and there >were plenty more in the box. I believe that the figure was much much >higher. Edgar is merely saying what he is told to say. > That's an interesting point. The Glasgow show I went to was the third on the tour. Which one did you go to Stephen? I bought only 2 Keeps, but if only 150 were available, I cannot believe that they had enough left over from the tour to sell through some mail order outlets too. It was a what, 10 date tour of the UK? That's only 15 CDs per show. I cannot accept that they did not achieve sales of more than 15 Keep CDs per show, even if they did have a number of other items for sale. >So I'll vote YES to 'Keep' this thread going! Ditto. >P.S. I am a Christian, but that does not mean that I have to shake hands >with God to prove it! The word is FAITH. Pure and simple. Perhaps ironically, I have more faith in there being a Keep LP than a God. But then we're getting slightly off-topic, aren't we? ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13429 Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( Mark Fonda Wed 4/29/1998 4 KB 13455 Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( Lawry Simm Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13481 Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( Plumer, Scott Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 28, 1998 4:57 am Subject: Re: Out of Lurker Mode Briefly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 07:25 PM 4/27/98 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: AslanFan1 > >The Orgy cover was tasteless. I had to make a different insert so I could keep >it around the house. Call me Puritanic, Steve, I can live with that. It >strikes me as pretty crappy to judge someone for being too prudish about >pornography. We are a confused society these days. PORNOGRAPHY? WHAT FUCKIN PLANET ARE YOU FROM? a naked breast is NOT PORNOGRAPHY. Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 1:04 am Subject: Re: Should We Keep on Investigating THE KEEP? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 06:30 PM 4/28/1998 EDT, Steven wrote: >>Option two: Stevo is right, a KEEP album exists. >>What4s worth ? Well I could quote Klaus Kinski ;-) > > Who's he? ;) Nosferatu. Another myth. But that's another thread, on another list. Andrew P.S. And Nastassiya's father. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Three Hours Wasted at the Library re THE KEEP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman After some people made comments about how they thought my methods for searching for THE KEEP were lame, I went to the Boston Public Library and spent 3 hours looking through all the 1984 issues of BILLBOARD magazine (all 52 of them) on microfilm. Eyestrain city. I looked at the New Releases and Album Reviews sections in each and every issue. I came across FIRESTARTER, but no KEEP and no FLASHPOINT. What was *very* strange, is that HYPERBOREA was listed as being released in the USA. Say what? Since when? *That* really threw me. Anyways, I annoyed some reference librarians with questions about copyright data, and then went to the government documents depository in the basement level of the library. Nothing new there, either: just the copyrighted *score* to the film. I'm hardly surprised. -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 28, 1998 11:32 pm Subject: SPACE albums ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jorge M. S. Figueiredo' Hi Since we keep (sorry for the word) discussing other groups albums, I've just found out that the french Virgin, oops... Virgin France, reissued 4 CDs and a 'Best of' from the french group SPACE (late 70's-early 80's). If you want more info check their homepage at http://195.114.83.83/ Back to lurk mode... Jorge Figueiredo jmsf@c... Coimbra, Portugal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13450 Re: SPACE albums Sean Montgomery Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13454 Re: SPACE albums =?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWW Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 12:01 am Subject: Re: Should We Keep on Investigating THE KEEP? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Mark Kosten' -----Original Message----- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Date: Wednesday, 29 April 1998 9:02 Subject: Should We Keep on Investigating THE KEEP? > ... >>Having heard the KEEP 497, the 'complete works' and the 'Blue Moon (TM)' >>release I can4t see anything of interest in a KEEP OSTRON discussion. >>The KEEP is highly overated. From everything I have read and of my knowledge of that era of TD I would agree The Keep music per se is probably not worth the bandwidth of discussion. However, that is not what this is about! It is about myths, lies, inuendo, stories lost in the mists of time, Hollywood, Michael Mann, urban myths, lost cities of gold, etc , etc. As such it cannot and will not be ignored - as all the great conspiricies are. >>Option two: Stevo is right, a KEEP album exists. >>What4s worth ? Well I could quote Klaus Kinski ;-) > > Who's he? ;) You're kidding, right? Mark Kosten Network Mnaager La Trobe University From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 28, 1998 4:44 am Subject: Re: 2 Zoning CDs? Which is which?/Macula transfer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: 'Mark Mulik' > >I'm confused. I didn't see anything about 'Zoning' in the discography. Now, there >are two different versions out there? Naah. Only the original video soundtrack is available on CD. >The one I saw has a picture of a skyscraper in the background, and if I recall correctly >it says 'ZONING' in all caps in this goofy block typeface. Ring any bells? That´s the video soundtrack, the music used on the movie (Franke/Froese/Schmoelling) never saw the light of the day on CD. I was asking for the music used on the movie, which isn´t available on any officially CD. Ob: Mark, Macula Transfer: http://www.eurock.com offers it for $18 plus shipping/handling, never dealed with them, btw. Kind Regards Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 5:15 am Subject: Re: It's getting warmer in here... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' an1 > > > a naked breast is NOT PORNOGRAPHY.> Duh, some would say that's subjective. Porn is writings or pictures intended to arouse someone sexually or inspire lustful thoughts....AND since this is almost ALWAYS done when viewing the naked body of a woman (assuming yer a dude) it actually is porn...sorry dude. > > Hmmm, a thoughtful question and statement, deserving an equally thoughtful > q&s: > > I'm from the United States, land of the free, home of the brave (as in willing > to stand up for what one believes in). And my definition of pornography is not > defined by nakedness of specific body parts but the context and purpose to > which the body part appears. Doesn't matter what you think....the fact is...if it's nakedness & it excites someone...it's porn. Why the hell do you think we can't streak in the streets...genius. It's illegal. Duh. Why? I think you know. The cover in the context it was delivered fits > the description. I dont doubt we could come up with countless examples of smut > that further pushed the envelope of social acceptance than this cover, but it > doesn't change my opinion. It is what it is. yep...pornography. > > New topic: > > Does anyone know what Virgin's deal is with The Keep? Speaking of Virgin's.... ;-) Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13432 Re: It's getting warmer in here... feldon@p... Wed 4/29/1998 4 KB 13435 Re: It's getting warmer in here... Brian E. Kirby Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13529 feldon@p... Mon 5/4/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 5:17 am Subject: Re: Should We Keep on Investigating THE KEEP? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > At 06:30 PM 4/28/1998 EDT, Steven wrote: > > >>Option two: Stevo is right, a KEEP album exists. > >>What4s worth ? Well I could quote Klaus Kinski ;-) > > > > Who's he? ;) > > Nosferatu. Another myth. But that's another thread, on another list. > > Andrew > > P.S. And Nastassiya's father. Let's not forget his classic, 'Android', the TD film he was in, The Soldier,....or his amazing film 'Crawlspace. 'So be it'. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 4:39 pm Subject: re: Space ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dan.cor@v... Re: : From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:32:46 +0100 Subject: SPACE albums - Really-From: 'Jorge M. S. Figueiredo' Hi Since we keep (sorry for the word) discussing other groups albums, I've just found out that the french Virgin, oops... Virgin France, reissued 4 CDs and a 'Best of' from the french group SPACE (late 70's-early 80's). If you want more info check their homepage at http://195.114.83.83/ Back to lurk mode... Jorge Figueiredo jmsf@c... Coimbra, Portuga Jorge: That, for me, is very interesting info. I recently asked on Gold-tri if there was any info, Jens (or was it Kees, sorry forgot!) did post about a 'best of' cd. Jorge, could you post that URL again, it did not work when I tried it. For me, Space and TD are intimately linked, as I got Magic Fly just before Force Majeure, 1977 I think. What with them, plus Star Wars, Oxygene and puberty this was a great year!! The track Magic Fly remains an all time favourite. Daniel BTW, some years ago I went into a record shop and saw Goblins Club, I even held it in my hands, and unfortunately I also had enough money to buy it. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 8:52 am Subject: Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Fonda I don't care if Stephen finds the Keep. I don't care if Stephen doesn't find the Keep. I don't care if Stephen is right. I don't care if Stephen is wrong. I don't care if someone researches the Library of Congress and finds a movie score listing which isn't the actual OST. I don't care if Stephen goes to the library and doesn't find a Billboard magazine article in 1984. I don't care if the producers are suppressing information. I don't care if Edgar Froese's lawyers have a tape in their office. I don't care if Virgin releases the Keep this year. I don't care if there are 3 different versions of the OST. I don't care if the OST doesn't match the movie. I don't care if no one else feels the same as I do. I don't care if everyone feels the same as I do. I like green eggs and ham, I do. I am JUST TIRED OF READING ALL THIS CRAP!! Please, please, please do us all a favor and move this off to some other place!! Stephen, if you ever do really have some actual news instead of just rehashing this old, old, old issue another 417 times, then tell us about it then. And if you really do want to gain our respect on this issue, just keep it to yourself until you really do have something to tell... you're just dragging this list down into a senseless morality issue which cannot be resolved. You have your own Keep mailing list with eleven people who DO want to talk about it, so guys, just have your little discussions there and spare us the details. And don't waste our time again by responding to this... just show some maturity and drop this thread!! You already promised to once and now you're back in spades! And you guys who want to rant about freedom of speach, please spare me... I'm American too and if you want an analogy for this, just think of the term 'Filibuster'... Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 10:46 am Subject: Re: Goblins Club ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > I'd still like to know what the deal is with the numbers that are printed > on the globe that the clown is holding. I'm sure a life-shattering secret > is waiting to be revealed there. > What numbers? I've checked my copy and couldn't find any! Colin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 1:16 pm Subject: RE: Should We Keep on Investigating THE KEEP? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> >>Option two: Stevo is right, a KEEP album exists. >> >>What4s worth ? Well I could quote Klaus Kinski ;-) >> > Who's he? ;) >> Nosferatu. Another myth. But that's another thread, on another list. >Let's not forget his classic, 'Android', the TD film he was in, The >Soldier,....or his amazing film 'Crawlspace. And 'Venom'! Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13460 Re: Should We Keep on Investigating THE KEEP? Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 1:23 pm Subject: Re: It's getting warmer in here... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 10:15 PM 4/28/98 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > >an1 >> >> > >> a naked breast is NOT PORNOGRAPHY.> > >Duh, some would say that's subjective. Porn is writings or pictures >intended to arouse someone sexually or inspire lustful thoughts....AND >since this is almost ALWAYS done when viewing the naked body of a woman >(assuming yer a dude) it actually is porn...sorry dude. You have the wrong definition dude. Pornographic images have sexual contact, sexual arousal, or lewd exhibition of the genitals. >> Hmmm, a thoughtful question and statement, deserving an equally thoughtful >> q&s: >> >> I'm from the United States, land of the free, home of the brave (as in willing >> to stand up for what one believes in). And my definition of pornography is not >> defined by nakedness of specific body parts but the context and purpose to >> which the body part appears. > >Doesn't matter what you think....the fact is...if it's nakedness & it >excites someone...it's porn. Why the hell do you think we can't streak >in the streets...genius. It's illegal. Duh. Why? I think you know. Because there are totally separate laws entitled 'Public lewdness' and 'Indecent Exposure'. It's amazing how may people have no fuckin clue about the law. I study it in my spare time... > The cover in the context it was delivered fits >> the description. I dont doubt we could come up with countless examples of smut >> that further pushed the envelope of social acceptance than this cover, but it >> doesn't change my opinion. It is what it is. > >yep...pornography. Gee, someone needs to go back to the books. Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 1:40 pm Subject: Missing tracks from Sorceror ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Well, now on to _my_ obsession. . . :-) I rented Sorceror last weekend and noticed that one of the non-ST tracks was in the movie. It's pretty good, too. It comes when they're travelling in the helicopter towards the oil well fire. I don't want to go into too many details, but there were several tracks on the ST that weren't in the movie. One that sticks out in my mind is 'Impressions of Sorceror.' Too bad, because I think it features some of Ed's best studio guitar work. Scott E. Plumer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13438 Re: Missing tracks from Sorceror Greg Heil Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13442 Re: Missing tracks from Sorceror David Datta Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13443 Re: Missing tracks from Sorceror Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13445 Re: Missing tracks from Sorceror Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13447 Re: Missing tracks from Sorceror Plumer, Scott Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13449 Re: Missing tracks from Sorceror David Datta Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 1:58 pm Subject: RE: It's getting warmer in here... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >You have the wrong definition dude. Pornographic images have sexual >contact, sexual arousal, or lewd exhibition of the genitals. Aren't we quibbling over something kinda silly? I mean, it's just a definition! Who cares if it porn or not? It's just a bare breat, and hardly an outstanding one at that. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 10:43 am Subject: Re: It's getting warmer in here... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby' > Why the hell do you think we can't streak > in the streets...genius. It's illegal. Duh. Why? I think you know. Actually, it's perfectly legal for women to roam around the streets (and in the subways) of NYC topless. Unsurprisingly, most women don't take advantage of this law. 'Hey, c'mon over here and introduce me to your friends!' -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 2:52 pm Subject: Re: It's getting warmer in here... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >>> >> >>> a naked breast is NOT PORNOGRAPHY.> >> >>Duh, some would say that's subjective. Porn is writings or pictures >>intended to arouse someone sexually or inspire lustful thoughts....AND >>since this is almost ALWAYS done when viewing the naked body of a woman >>(assuming yer a dude) it actually is porn...sorry dude. etc etc etc. I can see most of the people on this list come from America, hahaha. You haven't seen anything. The regular CDs you can buy here have even more nude. And why not? Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 3:37 pm Subject: No TD: Whither Echoes? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Does anyone know what happened to the Pink Floyd mailing list? Scott E. Plumer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13446 Re: No TD: Whither Echoes? TWeibre361 Wed 4/29/1998 3 KB 13448 Re: No TD: Whither Echoes? Plumer, Scott Wed 4/29/1998 4 KB 13462 Re: No TD: Whither Echoes? Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 4:16 pm Subject: Re: Missing tracks from Sorceror ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > Well, now on to _my_ obsession. . . :-) > > I rented Sorceror last weekend and noticed that one of the non-ST tracks > was in the movie. It's pretty good, too. It comes when they're > travelling in the helicopter towards the oil well fire. I don't want to > go into too many details, but there were several tracks on the ST that > weren't in the movie. One that sticks out in my mind is 'Impressions of > Sorceror.' Too bad, because I think it features some of Ed's best studio > guitar work. > > Scott E. Plumer I'd agree.. GREAT movie! Love that bridge scene.. to my surprise, I rented this w/o knowing the music was done by TD.. for some reason the name didn't click. 'Miracle Mile' kinda stunk.. the music was messed, except the scene at the start of the movie where the main actors treked through the museum--the music fit perfectly there. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 4:29 pm Subject: Re: It's getting warmer in here... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby' > > Actually, it's perfectly legal for women to roam around the streets > (and in the subways) of NYC topless. Unsurprisingly, most women > don't take advantage of this law. I wouldn't either, when you could be accosted by members of the Jones Street Boys or the Turnbull A.C.'s. :-) ::E:: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 4:28 pm Subject: Re: It's getting warmer in here... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >You have the wrong definition dude. Pornographic images have > sexual > >contact, sexual arousal, or lewd exhibition of the genitals. > > Aren't we quibbling over something kinda silly? I mean, it's > just a definition! Who cares if it porn or not? It's just a bare breat, > and hardly an outstanding one at that. Too bad EO didn't have one of those 'textured' 2-D covers, hehe. ::E:: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 4:32 pm Subject: Re: It's getting warmer in here... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > I can see most of the people on this list come from America, hahaha. No, just the four or five who are talking about EO. > You haven't seen anything. The regular CDs you can buy here have even more > nude. And why not? You can buy those at any of our good import CD stores. E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 4:44 pm Subject: Re: Missing tracks from Sorceror ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: David Datta In article <6i7b1p$s2d$1@n...> you wrote: : Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' : I rented Sorceror last weekend and noticed that one of the non-ST tracks : was in the movie. It's pretty good, too. It comes when they're : travelling in the helicopter towards the oil well fire. The bit in the helecopter is not TD, it is credited at the end of the film. It's the piece by Keith Jarrett. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 4:50 pm Subject: Re: Missing tracks from Sorceror ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Well, now on to _my_ obsession. . . :-) Oh, you're not talking about Animotion? 'You're my...' :-) ::E:: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 4:55 pm Subject: RE: It's getting warmer in here... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >You have the wrong definition dude. Pornographic images have > sexual > >contact, sexual arousal, or lewd exhibition of the genitals. > Aren't we quibbling over something kinda silly? I mean, it's >just a definition! Who cares if it porn or not? It's just a bare breat, >and hardly an outstanding one at that. > Scott It might not be outsatanding, but it is standing out!!! ;-) Regards, Conrad PS: Any sign in Europe of Luminous Visions?????? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 5:02 pm Subject: Re: Missing tracks from Sorceror ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: David Datta > > : Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > : I rented Sorceror last weekend and noticed that one of the non-ST tracks > : was in the movie. It's pretty good, too. It comes when they're > : travelling in the helicopter towards the oil well fire. > > The bit in the helecopter is not TD, it is credited at the end of the > film. It's the piece by Keith Jarrett. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is this the same jazz pianist who wears an awfully funny expression as he plays (I've seen two Jarrett promo videos)? ::E:: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 5:07 pm Subject: Re: No TD: Whither Echoes? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-04-29 11:34:19 EDT, you write: << Does anyone know what happened to the Pink Floyd mailing list? >> hehe...everyone is wrapped up in tape trees...seriously though, theres been no problem on my end...kinda slow i guess...i mean how many times can one KEEP saying the battery on one's p*u*l*s*e cd is low? tom w np: stereolab - transient random-noise bursts with announcements From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 5:31 pm Subject: RE: Missing tracks from Sorceror ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >: I rented Sorceror last weekend and noticed that one of the non-ST tracks >: was in the movie. It's pretty good, too. It comes when they're >: travelling in the helicopter towards the oil well fire. >The bit in the helecopter is not TD, it is credited at the end of the >film. It's the piece by Keith Jarrett. Really? It sure sounds like them! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 5:39 pm Subject: RE: No TD: Whither Echoes? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Perhaps I should have made myself more clear. I tried to sub, but the tcs.com address doesn't seem to be active. I tried www.tcs.com and got some Indian consulting company. Scott > -----Original Message----- > From: tadream@c... [SMTP:tadream@c...] > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 1:08 PM > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Re: No TD: Whither Echoes? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to > majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Really-From: TWeibre361 > > > In a message dated 98-04-29 11:34:19 EDT, you write: > > << Does anyone know what happened to the Pink Floyd mailing list? >> > > > hehe...everyone is wrapped up in tape trees...seriously though, theres > been no > problem on my end...kinda slow i guess...i mean how many times can one > KEEP > saying the battery on one's p*u*l*s*e cd is low? > > tom w > > np: stereolab - transient random-noise bursts with announcements Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13462 Re: No TD: Whither Echoes? Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 9:01 pm Subject: Re: Missing tracks from Sorceror ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: David Datta In article <6i7n5u$h0i$1@n...> you wrote: : Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' : > Really-From: David Datta : > The bit in the helecopter is not TD, it is credited at the end of the : > film. It's the piece by Keith Jarrett. : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : Is this the same jazz pianist who wears an awfully funny expression as he : plays (I've seen two Jarrett promo videos)? Same one... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 7:22 pm Subject: Re: SPACE albums ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > SPACE has got a web site : http://www.space.tm.fr/ > > Greetings to all TD + Space fans! Geez, and here I was thinking of the band responsible for the song 'Female of the Species'. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 8:46 pm Subject: Yeah, it's a tit...what of it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery Let me just say that I'd much rather read 'Keep' postings than this silly discussion of what consitutes pornography. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 8:18 pm Subject: Re: It's getting warmer in here... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:44 AM 4/29/98 -0700, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > > >> Really-From: feldon@p... >> >> At 10:15 PM 4/28/98 -0700, you wrote: >> >Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' >> > >> >an1 >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> a naked breast is NOT PORNOGRAPHY.> >> > >> >Duh, some would say that's subjective. Porn is writings or pictures >> >intended to arouse someone sexually or inspire lustful thoughts....AND >> >since this is almost ALWAYS done when viewing the naked body of a woman >> >(assuming yer a dude) it actually is porn...sorry dude. >> >> You have the wrong definition dude. Pornographic images have sexual >> contact, sexual arousal, or lewd exhibition of the genitals. > >Uh, actually what I wrote was almost verbatim to what the dictionary >defines porn as. Perhaps you should call Roget's & let them know they >made a mistake. While yer at it, better call the other world >dictionaries...they all said the same thing too. No offense, but the dictionary has ZILCHO to do with what the law will press you for. >> Because there are totally separate laws entitled 'Public lewdness' and >> 'Indecent Exposure'. >> >> It's amazing how may people have no fuckin clue about the law. I study it >> in my spare time... > >You should spend more time reading the dictionary. You must know very very little about the LAW. Go talk to a lawyer, or pick up the Annotated Code for your state and look under Pornography. The definiton is in black and white. >> Gee, someone needs to go back to the books. > >Yep...look under P in the dictionary. You should be able to go from >there. ;-) Fuck the dictionary a third time. Study LAW From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 6:44 pm Subject: Re: It's getting warmer in here... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > Really-From: feldon@p... > > At 10:15 PM 4/28/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > > > >an1 > >> > >> >> > >> a naked breast is NOT PORNOGRAPHY.> > > > >Duh, some would say that's subjective. Porn is writings or pictures > >intended to arouse someone sexually or inspire lustful thoughts....AND > >since this is almost ALWAYS done when viewing the naked body of a woman > >(assuming yer a dude) it actually is porn...sorry dude. > > You have the wrong definition dude. Pornographic images have sexual > contact, sexual arousal, or lewd exhibition of the genitals. Uh, actually what I wrote was almost verbatim to what the dictionary defines porn as. Perhaps you should call Roget's & let them know they made a mistake. While yer at it, better call the other world dictionaries...they all said the same thing too. > > >> Hmmm, a thoughtful question and statement, deserving an equally thoughtful > >> q&s: > >> > >> I'm from the United States, land of the free, home of the brave (as in > willing > >> to stand up for what one believes in). And my definition of pornography > is not > >> defined by nakedness of specific body parts but the context and purpose to > >> which the body part appears. > > > >Doesn't matter what you think....the fact is...if it's nakedness & it > >excites someone...it's porn. Why the hell do you think we can't streak > >in the streets...genius. It's illegal. Duh. Why? I think you know. > > Because there are totally separate laws entitled 'Public lewdness' and > 'Indecent Exposure'. > > It's amazing how may people have no fuckin clue about the law. I study it > in my spare time... You should spend more time reading the dictionary. > > > The cover in the context it was delivered fits > >> the description. I dont doubt we could come up with countless examples > of smut > >> that further pushed the envelope of social acceptance than this cover, > but it > >> doesn't change my opinion. It is what it is. > > > >yep...pornography. > > Gee, someone needs to go back to the books. Yep...look under P in the dictionary. You should be able to go from there. ;-) Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 6:50 pm Subject: Re: SPACE albums ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' SPACE has got a web site : http://www.space.tm.fr/ Greetings to all TD + Space fans! Fred (mad man) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 9:27 pm Subject: Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' > That's an interesting point. The Glasgow show I went to was the third on the > tour. Which one did you go to Stephen? I bought only 2 Keeps, but if only 150 > were available, I cannot believe that they had enough left over from the tour > to sell through some mail order outlets too. It was a what, 10 date tour of the > UK? That's only 15 CDs per show. I cannot accept that they did not achieve > sales of more than 15 Keep CDs per show, even if they did have a number of > other items for sale. I bought six at manchester, that I passed on to people on this list, and there were stacks of them. And these were just the ones on the counter for sale. I would estimate 80 - 100 copies based on my cd towers... hence my earlier disbelief that there were only 150 made. Your comment adds weight to my thought, and I believe the figure more likely to be 500 - 1000. Perhaps Virgin allowed TD to produce 150, but more were created on the quiet! Lawry. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 11:38 pm Subject: SPACE albums (correction) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jorge M. S. Figueiredo' Hi Yesterday I posted the SPACE homepage address, but apparently it was a test address. The definitive and correct one is http://www.space.tm.fr Keep sending the news (I've done it again, I used the K-word...sorry), Jorge Figueiredo jmsf@c... Coimbra, Portugal From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Apr 29, 1998 11:52 pm Subject: Luminous Visions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery I caved in yesterday and picked up a copy of Luminous Visions. Caved in, I say, because from the TD music fan point of view, there's nothing new here (not if you have the TDI version of Dream Mixes). Yet, I was curious to see the music cut to images of 'a fantastic world that forges a stunning new link between technology, art and organic life'. And hey, I figured, it couldn't be any worse than the atrocious video for Phaedra that appeared on 'Three Phase'. Well, it's neither as bad as I feared or as good as I'd hoped. While I'm a computer animator myself, I trade in traditionaly-based character animation, and I've never been a fan of this kind of abstract mathamatically-based imagery (in much the same way that I've always preferred representational over abstract art). On the other hand, I recognize computer software's growing potential to create beautiful arrangements of colour and texture that a mind working consciously would probably not choose. And in a couple of instances on Luminous Visions, that potential is realized. 'Perpetual Fusion' in particular (using the music of Touchwood) is great fun to watch. But those moments are rare. Too often, the screen is filled with dull geometrical visualizations, stiff camera work and uninteresting blobby jellyfish things. There's not much here to inspire attentive (or repeat) viewings, which is a hallmark of successful Art in my mind. So unless you're planning to have a rave in the near future, you'll probably just end up playing the disk. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14036 Luminous Visions Tom807@a... Sat 5/30/1998 3 KB 14058 Re: Luminous Visions AR402004@B... Mon 6/1/1998 3 KB 14059 Re: Luminous Visions Tom807@a... Mon 6/1/1998 3 KB 17322 Re: Luminous Visions James Horecka, AIA Wed 7/28/1999 1 KB 17323 Luminous Visions Joel Mullen Wed 7/28/1999 3 KB 17325 Re: Luminous Visions Jim Moore Wed 7/28/1999 1 KB 17327 Re: Luminous Visions Joel Mullen Wed 7/28/1999 2 KB 19210 Luminous Visions Owens James Wed 11/17/1999 1 KB 19281 Re: Luminous Visions Gustavo Jobim Fri 11/19/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 12:03 am Subject: Re:Early Space music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: SRiser3600 ANYONE REMEMBER THE FOLLOWING BANDS: Silver Apples Tontos Expanding Headband Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13463 Re: Early Space music Tdune Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB 13466 Re: Early Space music Robert Hanna Thu 4/30/1998 4 KB 13469 Black Mass (Re:Early Space music) Alvaro Castillo Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB 13484 Re: Early Space music Michael Fox Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB 13488 Re: Early Space music Tdune Fri 5/1/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 12:24 am Subject: Re: TD chat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-04-22 21:35:19 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Michael Fox Just got offline with the TD chat. Interesting. Their usual obtuse selfs! Fun though! A log can be found (Thurs) at http://www.scifi.com/chat/chatnow.html Look for the chat log archive. >> I'm not finding this. Went there, found 'chat transcripts' but no mention of Tangerine Dream chat. Will someone email me privately to tell me how to find this? Thanks. Dell: aoutland@a... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13461 Re: TD chat Sean Montgomery Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 12:53 am Subject: RE: Should We Keep on Investigating THE KEEP? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:16 AM 4/29/1998 -0400, Scott wrote: >> >>What4s worth ? Well I could quote Klaus Kinski ;-) > >> > Who's he? ;) > >> Nosferatu. Another myth. But that's another thread, on >another list. > >Let's not forget his classic, 'Android', the TD film he was in, >The > >Soldier,....or his amazing film 'Crawlspace. > > And 'Venom'! > That's it...now you did it... at http://us.imdb.com/Name?Kinski,+Klaus there are 145 movie listings for Klaus Kinski. So there. :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 12:55 am Subject: Re: TD chat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery For the benefit of all who may be interested, the transcript is viewable at: http://www.scifi.com/transcripts/TADream.html SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 1:11 am Subject: RE: No TD: Whither Echoes? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 01:39 PM 4/29/1998 -0400, Scott wrote: >Perhaps I should have made myself more clear. I tried to sub, but the >tcs.com address doesn't seem to be active. I tried www.tcs.com and got >some Indian consulting company. > Send a mail to echoserv@f... with empty Subject and a line containing the single word 'help ' Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 1:20 am Subject: Re: Early Space music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tdune In a message dated 98-04-29 20:06:08 EDT, you write: << ANYONE REMEMBER THE FOLLOWING BANDS: Silver Apples Tontos Expanding Headband >> I sure remember Tontos Expanding Headband, as a matter of fact I have their Zero Time album, great early EM. What about the bands Black Mass and White Noise? Bye Marcelo G. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 1:24 am Subject: Tangerine Dream Compilation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tdune Hi everyone! I just saw The new Tangerine Compilation at my local Tower Records, it contains the whole of PHAEDRA plus RUBYCON part 1 and Stratosfear. Can anyone tell me if these are the remastered versions or just the USA Virgin versions? Bye Marcelo G. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13483 Re: Tangerine Dream Compilation Tdune =7F Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB 13486 Re: Tangerine Dream Compilation feldon@p... Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 1:24 am Subject: Re: Sound & vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-04-27 23:29:02 EDT, you write: << I have a TD clip for the track 'Hyperborea' it's very literal to what is done in the music.. if anyone is interested. Greg H. >> By all means, spit it out man. That's what this thread is trying to do. 8-) Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 3:06 am Subject: Re: Early Space music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Hanna tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Tdune > > In a message dated 98-04-29 20:06:08 EDT, you write: > > << ANYONE REMEMBER THE FOLLOWING BANDS: > > Silver Apples > > Tontos Expanding Headband > >> > Silver Apples' two records were re-released on CD by TRC records. > I sure remember Tontos Expanding Headband, as a matter of fact I have their > Zero Time album, great early EM. > > What about the bands Black Mass and White Noise? Uh, actually I thought the name of album was Black Mass and the of the band was Lucifer. At least that's what my copy shows. The same guy also released another album 'The Unexplained' under the band name 'Ataraxia' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 4:44 am Subject: planetary travellllllller ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> ok, don't shoot me for asking this yet again but can someone once again please tell me (and the others) how to get a copy of planetary travelllllller? thanks lars np: something really fantastic by td from 1976 but I promised to keep it a secret for now ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 5:50 am Subject: Re: Sound & vision ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: AOutland > > > In a message dated 98-04-27 23:29:02 EDT, you write: > > << > I have a TD clip for the track 'Hyperborea' > it's very literal to what is done in the music.. if anyone is > interested. > > Greg H. > >> > By all means, spit it out man. That's what this thread is trying to do. 8-) > Dell thanx Dell! Well TD left me with an easy one here.. Read to the track 'Hyperborea' The song opens up with in the awe of a crystaline world.. you enter a cold, new world.. your feet are tracking deeply into the frozen surface. The world proceeds to tell you about it's secret, The Secret of Hyperborea. The chimes ring a melody of inchanting voices--this world is beautiful, but something dark is hidden throughout the landscape. Our traveler continues on, gets closer to the answers he dreams about.. Hyperborea is alive, it knows our travelers presence.. the secret is then revealed.. slowly.. until.. it is now understood. The wind blows deeply.. our traveler is now at the hands of his new knowledge.. and what treasures lie in the bright coldness, he must find. The landscape in evolving.. And the secret is visable... Our traveler's heart is beating intensely.. his mind is dazzelling.. but his feet can only trood at the same speed through the thick snow.. deeper and deeper he falls.. the coldness and snow slows him, encapsulates him he can touch the secret but no more.. his greed has killed him, his life has ended.. he has added but one more of the crystaline sculptures that make up the beautiful land of Hyperborea. Sorry I could have written this better, but I hope by listening to the song, you might envision a small part of what I see. Greg H From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 5:59 am Subject: Black Mass (Re:Early Space music) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Alvaro Castillo > ... > ... Black Mass ... Lucifer ... > ... I thought the name of the album was Black Mass Lucifer and the author Mort Garson. -Alvaro From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 8:11 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #266 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Stephen Yensen >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >Let me just say that I'd much rather read 'Keep' postings than this silly >discussion of what consitutes pornography. Well done, that man! Steve. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Tadream Digest #264, #265 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' Could somebody please forward Tadream digests #264 and #265 to me please. Our server appears to have been down since Monday. Also, if anybody had e-mailed me since Monday (4/27) could you please forward it again. Sorry for the inconvience. Frank Stephen np: Roung Embrace from Dream Mixes From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: TD digest #266 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' Could somebody also forward me digest #266. I received it but it appears to be mangled. Thanks. Frank Stephen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13476 Re: Note to Datta - Mangled Digest John M. Poer Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 1:26 pm Subject: Echoes is at fawnya.meddle.org! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Steve Hinksman' - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Andrew J. Rozsa wrote: >Send a mail to echoserv@f... with empty Subject and a line >containing the single word 'help ' NO! NO! NO! (Sorry, but I want to make it clear) bear changed addresses a long time ago now. Please do not use the tcsi.com or tcs.com addresses. To subscribe, send mail to echoserv@f... with help in the body. echoserv will respond with the latest set of subscription instructions (which may not be how I remember them, which is why I haven't stated them). Or you can surf over to the web page at www.meddle.org All the best, Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 2:59 pm Subject: Luminous Nightmares ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Alistair Hull as Sean said, blobby things floating around. Sure the animation has been edited to fit the music in some cases making it effective, but other than that, unless its a rave or someone's smoking something illegal, I can't see any reason for wanting to watch Luminous Visions more than once. regards From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 3:45 pm Subject: Sorry folks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AslanFan1 My post was purely made because it was related to TD and my opinions of a particular TD-related cover. It was not meant to stir a definition discussion. Perhaps I should have stayed beneath the surface . . . It sho' don't take much to be branded an idiot around here... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13477 Re: Sorry folks feldon@p... Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB 13478 Re: Sorry folks Sean Montgomery Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB 13482 Re: Sorry folks Plumer, Scott Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 4:09 pm Subject: Re: [TD digest #266] Note to Datta - Mangled Digest ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'John M. Poer' At 08:19 AM 4/30/1998 PDT, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' > > > >Could somebody also forward me digest #266. I received it but it appears to >be mangled. > >Thanks. >Frank Stephen > Mr. D. The TD Digest #266 seems to have a format problem....crashes Eudora. Can it be sent again? Thanks. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 4:12 pm Subject: Re: Sorry folks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... My use of the F word was totally unnecessary. I apologize. However... the definition of pornography floating around here is so far off the mark that I thought I needed to stand up and correct some people... Pornography is NOT imagery or written material that stimulates someone sexually. If this is the case, then Reader's Digest and the JC Penney and Sears catalogs are chock full of pornographic images. I don't think you could make that stand up in court, Aslan, or Dano. Pornography, in the LEGAL definition absolutely positively must have some kind of sexual stimulation or contact or lewd exhibition of the genetalia IN THE IMAGE. This topic is boring and probably offensive to everyone, so I'll stop my little rant now. Back to the KEEP discussion. =) feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 4:31 pm Subject: Re: Sorry folks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Really-From: AslanFan1 > > > My post was purely made because it was related to TD and my opinions of a > particular TD-related cover. It was not meant to stir a definition discussion. > Perhaps I should have stayed beneath the surface . . . Oh no, no....don't take it that way. In fact, I haven't even been paying attention to who was making the postings. I wasn't directing criticism at anybody in particular...and I certainly wasn't branding anyone an idiot! I just found it to be an uninteresting debate, not to mention the fact that it quickly got removed from anything related to TD. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 5:17 pm Subject: Re: Sorry folks-OFF..well, I do mention The Keep ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > Really-From: feldon@p... > > My use of the F word was totally unnecessary. I apologize. > > However... the definition of pornography floating around here is so far off > the mark that I thought I needed to stand up and correct some people... > > Pornography is NOT imagery or written material that stimulates someone > sexually. If this is the case, then Reader's Digest and the JC Penney and > Sears catalogs are chock full of pornographic images. Are you saying you get off reading the JC Penney's catalog? You really are a misunderstood guy, aren't you. Hehe. I never noticed nakedness in these mags...something you're not telling us? I don't think you > could make that stand up in court, Aslan, or Dano. If you know so much about law, why are you sitting around on IRC blabbing about PSX games instead of making six figures a year working for some law firm? > Pornography, in the LEGAL definition absolutely positively must have some > kind of sexual stimulation or contact or lewd exhibition of the genetalia > IN THE IMAGE. You are speaking totoally out of context here. We aren't discussing breaking the law, we were discussing the MEANING of the word. In case you didn't know this, genius, you need to use a dictionary to look up the definition a word, not a law book. > This topic is boring and probably offensive to everyone, so I'll stop my > little rant now. Back to the KEEP discussion. =) Yes, back to the Keep discussion...hehe. Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13490 Re: Sorry folks-OFF..well, I do mention The Keep Brian E. Kirby Fri 5/1/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 6:08 pm Subject: Re: Early Space musicRe: tadream-digest V16 #266 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dave Lane' Robert Hanna sez: >> I sure remember Tontos Expanding Headband, as a matter of fact I have their >> Zero Time album, great early EM. >> >> What about the bands Black Mass and White Noise? > > Uh, actually I thought the name of album was Black Mass and the of the > band was Lucifer. At least that's what my copy shows. The same guy also > released another album 'The Unexplained' under the band name 'Ataraxia' Mort Garson. I love that album. It's from the mid 70's, but it sounds like it's from a decade earlier, with lots of cheesy synth sounds all over it. I wish it was available on CD. [It isn't, is it?] His most famous work was an awful music and spoken-word album about the signs of the zodiac, which IS available on CD, but I don't like it. It was the inspiration for the Moody Blues' 'Days Of Future Passed', according to Justin Hayward. --Dave From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 7:33 pm Subject: RE: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Perhaps Virgin allowed TD to produce 150, but more were created on the >quiet! Maybe it was a typo, and they meant 1500. I doubt they'd be able to recoup their expenses on only 150. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 7:52 pm Subject: RE: Sorry folks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >sexually. If this is the case, then Reader's Digest and the JC Penney and >Sears catalogs are chock full of pornographic images. I don't think you Really?!?!? I gotta get me some!!! :-) BTW, the Sears catalog is no more. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: RE: Tangerine Dream Compilation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: szatmari pal >> Really-From: Tdune  Hi everyone! I just saw The new Tangerine Compilation at my local Tower Records, it contains the whole of PHAEDRA plus RUBYCON part 1 and Stratosfear. Can anyone tell me if these are the remastered versions or just the USA Virgin versions? Bye Marcelo G. >> I have this compilation CD released by Disky Communications Europe (The Netherlands) in 1996 licenced from EMI Int. (Cat. No.: VI 873772) It is not remastered just a compilation however it sounds great. I bought it because it was dirt cheap and I had not got a copy of Phaedra or Rubycon on CD before. I hope I could help. Regards, Paul n.p. Rubycon BTW have you noticed that according to TANGENTS Rubycon 1 is called the crossing part and Rubycon 2 is called the dice part. Isn't it illogical? Well, the only thing that counts is the music not the title... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13486 Re: Tangerine Dream Compilation feldon@p... Thu 4/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 2:39 pm Subject: Re:Early Space music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 08:03 PM 4/29/98 EDT, you wrote: >ANYONE REMEMBER THE FOLLOWING BANDS: > >Silver Apples Yeppers. Two New York dudes from the late sixties. A drummer and a guy who played this mess of occilators/filters called 'Simeon'. I may still have the first lp. I'd heard they have something recent out but no other info. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 8:29 pm Subject: Rubycon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: szatmari pal > (...) > > n.p. Rubycon BTW have you noticed that according to TANGENTS > Rubycon 1 is called the crossing part and Rubycon 2 is called the > dice part. Isn't it illogical? Well, the only thing that counts is the > music not the title... Well, did Ceasar say 'Alea jecta est' before of while he had already started crossing the river? I'm pretty sure that there are not that many actual withness around anymore. C.B. Vincent Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 9:39 pm Subject: RE: Tangerine Dream Compilation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 12:57 PM 4/30/98 PDT, you wrote: >Really-From: szatmari pal >>> >Really-From: Tdune  > >Hi everyone! > >I just saw The new Tangerine Compilation at my local >Tower Records, it >contains the whole of PHAEDRA plus RUBYCON part 1 and >Stratosfear. New? This is the Disky compilation. It came out last August or so. I bought it since my Phaedra disc walked away. >Can anyone tell me if these are the remastered versions or >just the USA Virgin >versions? I don't think these are the SBM versions. Morgan feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 12:05 am Subject: planetary traveller ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve_Whiteley@N... (Steve Whiteley) Hey Lars, Dont know where your from, but in the LA area over the last couple of months I have seen planetary traveller at: Best Buy, Tower (Northridge), Natural Wonders, and for rent at Hollywood Video Happy Hunting, Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 3:03 am Subject: Re: Early Space music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tdune In a message dated 98-04-29 23:10:46 EDT, you write: << > What about the bands Black Mass and White Noise? Uh, actually I thought the name of album was Black Mass and the of the band was Lucifer. At least that's what my copy shows. The same guy also released another album 'The Unexplained' under the band name 'Ataraxia' >> You are right, after I wrote the post I went to look at the record and discovered my mistake, for some reason the name Black Mass always seem more appropiate for the band. Bye Marcelo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 3:05 am Subject: Re: Black Mass (Re:Early Space music) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tdune In a message dated 98-04-30 02:02:55 EDT, you write: << I thought the name of the album was Black Mass Lucifer and the author Mort Garson. -Alvaro >> Actually it is called Black Mass by Lucifer, the word by is printed really small, easy to miss. Marcelo G. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Apr 30, 1998 11:17 pm Subject: Re: Sorry folks-OFF..well, I do mention The Keep ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby' > If you know so much about law, why are you sitting around on IRC > blabbing about PSX games instead of making six figures a year working > for some law firm? > Oh, there's going to be a hot time on the ole IRC tonight! -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 5:10 am Subject: Re: THE K**P - Last Post!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Stephen Yensen First of all, apologies for opening old wounds! Also apologies for the overlong post. When I first read the digest, I got so fed up of the continued slagging off of the Keep thread that I wrote that reply almost immediately the vote call came up. It was put into my OUTBOX. I decided against it in the end and exited Internet Mail (Micro$oft's of course) intending to get rid of it. Funny how by writing a letter can dissipate anger quickly. Next day I entered Internet Mail again, trying to read new mail, and the first thing it did was send that last message! Aaaaarrgggh!! Some interesting points have been raised, however: >Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >I think the 'whinging' 'minority' actually splits into two camps : those that >don't believe and those that are just pissed off at those that do believe and >those that don't having such a verbose and oft-repeated discussion about it. >Even posts like yours and mine, Stephen, add to this verbosity and hence piss >some off even more. 8-) Agreed. This will be my last KEEP post to the tadream list. >>The 'official line' is that this is the first release. Another official >>line is that only 150 copies of the keep 'limited edition' were sold during >>the European tour. I bought five of them at the Nottingham gig and there >>were plenty more in the box. I believe that the figure was much much >>higher. Edgar is merely saying what he is told to say. >That's an interesting point. The Glasgow show I went to was the third on the >tour. Which one did you go to Stephen? The Nottingham gig was on Thursday 30th October 1997. Was this the first or second show? >Perhaps ironically, I have more faith in there being a Keep LP than a God. But >then we're getting slightly off-topic, aren't we? No more than some of the other crap we've been getting lately. >Really-From: jpeschke@s... >Craig, don´t forget those who just don´t care about whether it has been >released or not. >Having heard the KEEP ´97, the 'complete works' and the 'Blue Moon (TM)' release >I can´t see anything of interest in a KEEP OSTRON discussion. >The KEEP is highly overated. Maybe, but at least it's on topic. Anyway, I like it (the 1997 Limited Edition) as it happens. The music is a lot better than most of TD's 90s output, IMO. >Really-From: Steven Feldman >I have some faith that God might exist. I have lots of faith that >UFOs and visiting aliens exist (sorry, but I've read over 20 books on >the subject in the past three years). THE KEEP, however, is not a >matter of faith. I *know* that *it* exists! (No doubt whatsoever.) Oops. Sorry Steven, I got carried away. >Really-From: Mark Fonda > >I don't care if Stephen finds the Keep. > > >I don't care if everyone feels the same as I do. Sorry, my friend, but I do care. Not just about The Keep, but many other things as well, so as a last request, CAN WE KEEP ON TOPIC FROM NOW ON, PLEASE? As a last note on this very controversial subject, I will be continuing the discussion on Steven's Keep list... Steve. Now playing: The Keep (1997) Next: Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (1975) ============================================================ STEPHEN YENSEN HOME: syensen@i... WORD: Stephen.Yensen@s... Subscribed to the following mailing lists: Sandy Denny-Trevor Lucas: dreamer@s... tadream-digest: tadream-digest@c... goldtri-digest: goldtri-digest@a... Rick Wakeman: wakeman@s... ============================================================ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13495 Re: THE K**P - Last Post!! Plumer, Scott Fri 5/1/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 11:53 am Subject: where ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Really-From: Steve_Whiteley@N... (Steve Whiteley) >Hey Lars, >Dont know where your from, [...non-pertinent stuff deleted] -- well neither do I; if you find out first, will you let me know please? thanks lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 1:26 pm Subject: kraftwerk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Hey everybody... Tickets for Kraftwerk go one sale in Chicago tomorrow... I have never seen them 'live' before... WHo is still in the group? Is it worth attending? What might they play..it has been ten years since they did an album! MJ NP: Timesquare Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13494 Re: kraftwerk SRiser3600 Fri 5/1/1998 2 KB 13496 Re: kraftwerk MCINTYRE@p... Fri 5/1/1998 3 KB 13498 Re: kraftwerk TWeibre361 Fri 5/1/1998 3 KB 13499 Re: kraftwerk TWeibre361 Fri 5/1/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 1:35 pm Subject: Re: kraftwerk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: SRiser3600 enjoy the show... I saw kwerk in 1976 Autobaun tour GREAT show do they have a web site??? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 2:37 pm Subject: RE: THE K**P - Last Post!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' It's funny but the message to which I'm replying got the flag 'Confidential' from my mailer. That's why I'm not quoting it here. :-) I think we can all agree that we really should only post about the Keep if there's something new. Based on what we know, this could only be: -Virgin CD released -Steven finds the LP (Wasn't there something in the Book of Revelation about finding the Keep LP? 'And whosoever findeth the Keep LP shall be raised on high, and all men shall bow before him that has become the anointed of God.' Or was that the Gospel According to Steven? :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 3:02 pm Subject: RE: kraftwerk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: MCINTYRE@p... >Really-From: Michael A Jean >Hey everybody... Tickets for Kraftwerk go one sale in Chicago tomorrow... >I have never seen them 'live' before... WHo is still in the group? Is it >worth attending? What might they play..it has been ten years since they >did an album! The Big Two are still in the band: Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider. They have some new songs, but I expect mostly a Greatest Hits type show. That's what they did when I saw them back in the early eighties and it was great. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 3:14 pm Subject: Re: 2 Zoning CDs? Which is which? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Yes, there are 2 versions. > > >I was asking for the music used on the movie, which isn´t available on any > officially CD. > > Agagin thats right - not on an official one :-) Yes, there is a limited number of CD-Rs floating around titled 'Zoning 1987'. There is about 21 minutes of music taken from the VHS film (rel. 1987) and the music is based upon the 'Vermillon Sands' track. The music is taken directly from the film, so it is just a bunch of short snips of music. But as mentioned before, this music is totally different than the official soundtrack released in 1996. Vic ===off topic - not really TD related at all=== Now my two cents about this pornography discussion: It is interesting to read about how much 'excitement' a naked woman on a TD cover causes. I bet if the cover had a picture of someone visciously murdered, then no one would care about discussing it, even though there are probably some 'out there' that might get 'excited' about that (this is what scares me). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13508 Re: 2 Zoning CDs? Which is which? =?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWW Fri 5/1/1998 3 KB 13510 Re: 2 Zoning CDs? Which is which? Jens Peschke Fri 5/1/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 3:12 pm Subject: Re: kraftwerk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-05-01 09:32:28 EDT, you write: << Hey everybody... Tickets for Kraftwerk go one sale in Chicago tomorrow... I have never seen them 'live' before... WHo is still in the group? Is it worth attending? What might they play..it has been ten years since they did an album! >> ralf hutter and florian schneider are (still) in the group...based on the tapes from both the tribal gathering and the karslruhe gigs from last year they basically play the same set they did in 1981 with the addition of three new tunes...there has been mayor speculation about a new album, but it has not materialized yet...i saw them in 81 and it was fun and imo worth seeing...they will also be in nyc june 13 (tix on sale 5/8)...tix for their la and san francisco dates are on sale already, and i hear sales are poor...their three gigs in japan however sold out within an hour...they will also be appearing at the tibet freedom megashow in dc on 6/14... tom w np: td milwaukee 88 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 3:13 pm Subject: Re: kraftwerk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-05-01 09:41:17 EDT, you write: << enjoy the show... I saw kwerk in 1976 Autobaun tour GREAT show do they have a web site??? >> of course...www.kraftwerk.com...but dont get too excited...its pretty minimal... tom w sp: td milwaukee 88 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 4:04 pm Subject: for sale : steam iron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mail admin REF NO : OTS-0501006 For sale:Steam iron with multiple functions. We would like to offer 'STEAM IRON' in very low price and in very high price. This product has multi-functions (ironing/making a beautiful face/humidifing/smelling sweet). DESCRTPTION UNIT PRICE(F.O.B.) MINIMUM ORDER FIRST-Q STEAM IRON US$ 9.50 300PCS Remarks, 1)Payment : By an irrevocable L/C at sight. 2)Shipment: Within three months after receiving L/C. 3)Gold International Award at the Invention Convention. August 31. 1997. California USA. 4)25th Silver International Award at Invention Convention. April 14. 1997. Geneve SWISS. If you are interested in it, please contact us tel : 82-2-790-6436 fax : 82-2-790-4713 e-mail : intokor@c... ---------------------------------- S.K.HONG / INTO KOREA CORP.,LTD Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13502 Re: for sale : steam iron John M. Poer Fri 5/1/1998 4 KB 13504 Re: for sale : steam iron Jeffrey Au-Yeung Fri 5/1/1998 4 KB 13505 Re: for sale : steam iron Plumer, Scott Fri 5/1/1998 3 KB 13507 Re: for sale : steam iron Vic Rek Fri 5/1/1998 3 KB 13512 Re: for sale : steam iron OIK Sat 5/2/1998 5 KB 13522 Re: for sale : steam iron Plumer, Scott Mon 5/4/1998 2 KB 13534 Re: for sale : steam iron Mike Livsey Tue 5/5/1998 4 KB 13535 Re: for sale : steam iron TangerineC Tue 5/5/1998 3 KB 13536 Re: for sale : steam iron Mike Livsey Tue 5/5/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 4:20 pm Subject: Re: Exit SBM version ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Gerardy >Colin Knowles said: > >Don't know if anyone else has noticed this but 'Pilots of purple >twighlight' (sic) is spelt wrong. > >Wondering was it always spelt thus or is this a typo on the SBM version? It must be a typo on that version mine says 'twilight'. --tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13503 Re: Exit SBM version Sean Montgomery Fri 5/1/1998 3 KB 13509 Re: Exit SBM version =?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWW Fri 5/1/1998 3 KB 13537 Re: Exit SBM version Colin Knowles Tue 5/5/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 4:23 pm Subject: Re: for sale : steam iron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'John M. Poer' At 01:04 AM 5/2/1998 +0900, you wrote: >Really-From: mail admin > > > >REF NO : OTS-0501006 > >For sale:Steam iron with multiple functions. > >We would like to offer 'STEAM IRON' in very low price and >in very high price. >This product has multi-functions (ironing/making a beautiful >face/humidifing/smelling sweet). > >DESCRTPTION UNIT PRICE(F.O.B.) MINIMUM ORDER >FIRST-Q STEAM IRON US$ 9.50 300PCS > >Remarks, 1)Payment : By an irrevocable L/C at sight. > 2)Shipment: Within three months after receiving L/C. > 3)Gold International Award at the Invention Convention. > August 31. 1997. California USA. > 4)25th Silver International Award at Invention Convention. > April 14. 1997. Geneve SWISS. >If you are interested in it, please contact us > >tel : 82-2-790-6436 >fax : 82-2-790-4713 >e-mail : intokor@c... > >---------------------------------- >S.K.HONG / INTO KOREA CORP.,LTD > That's the sneakiest ad I ever saw for a boot. Only those 'most dedicated' fans would know that this is really a offer to sell a new boot. Wish I could figure out what the title really is. I'm sure some of you folks who really focus on the band can read the code. But, anyway, the price is great. Do you suppose we can trust these guys? > jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 4:39 pm Subject: Re: Exit SBM version ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Don't know if anyone else has noticed this but 'Pilots of purple > twighlight' (sic) is spelt wrong. Yeah, my copy has it spelt that way too. Mind you, there are several mistakes on the SBM covers, including incorrect band lineups and albums such as 'Thief' labeled as being 'Live'. You'd think someone would be checking this stuff. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 4:54 pm Subject: Re: for sale : steam iron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' >Really-From: 'John M. Poer' > >>REF NO : OTS-0501006 >> >>For sale:Steam iron with multiple functions. >> >>We would like to offer 'STEAM IRON' in very low price and >>in very high price. >>This product has multi-functions (ironing/making a beautiful >>face/humidifing/smelling sweet). >> >>DESCRTPTION UNIT PRICE(F.O.B.) MINIMUM ORDER >>FIRST-Q STEAM IRON US$ 9.50 300PCS >> >>Remarks, 1)Payment : By an irrevocable L/C at sight. >> 2)Shipment: Within three months after receiving L/C. >> >That's the sneakiest ad I ever saw for a boot. Only those 'most dedicated' >fans would know that this is really a offer to sell a new boot. Wish I >could figure out what the title really is. I'm sure some of you folks who >really focus on the band can read the code. But, anyway, the price is >great. Do you suppose we can trust these guys? > > >jp > >'I may be old, but I know what I like!' Are you sure this is not an ad for a real iron but one for a bootleg? And I wonder if anybody on this list will issue a sight L/C and wait 3 months for a total of 300 bootleg CDs/vinyls? Vic, where are you, will you do this? :-) Also what's the connection between the iron and this list...can this iron make my warped Ultima Thule single flat and playable again (no, just kidding)? Jeffrey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 5:25 pm Subject: RE: for sale : steam iron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>We would like to offer 'STEAM IRON' in very low price and >>in very high price. >>This product has multi-functions (ironing/making a beautiful >>face/humidifing/smelling sweet). >> >That's the sneakiest ad I ever saw for a boot. Only those 'most dedicated' >fans would know that this is really a offer to sell a new boot. Wish I Apparently I'm not dedicated enough! How do you know it's a boot? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 5:23 pm Subject: OFF: T.O.N.T.O. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' TONTO's Expanding Head Band's first LP was released on CD, along with the material from the (unreleased) second LP about two years ago (one year ago?). On the Viceroy label, but I think that it is already out of print. The CD is great, sounds like it was recorded just recently, instead of the early '70's... ========================================= Craig A. Shipley craigs@s... Siemens-Nixdorf ITSN 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (770) 242-9374 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ========================================= From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 5:31 pm Subject: Re: for sale : steam iron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek > Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' > Are you sure this is not an ad for a real iron but one for a bootleg? And I > wonder if anybody on this list will issue a sight L/C and wait 3 months for > a total of 300 bootleg CDs/vinyls? Vic, where are you, will you do this? :-) Sure. If you could just explain to me what this is all about? :) Vic NP: Klaus Schulze - Dark Side of the Moog 6 - finally! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 7:01 pm Subject: Re: 2 Zoning CDs? Which is which? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' >Vic > >===off topic - not really TD related at all=== >Now my two cents about this pornography discussion: >It is interesting to read about how much 'excitement' a naked woman on a >TD cover causes. I bet if the cover had a picture of someone visciously >murdered, then no one would care about discussing it, even though there >are probably some 'out there' that might get 'excited' about that (this >is what scares me). > The excitement depends on the person on the cover who has been murdered! Fred (mad man) > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 7:04 pm Subject: Re: Exit SBM version ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' I've never seen EXIT sbm version. Anyone from France has any source? Fred (normal man) PS : some version have LIVE even if they are not, just to look like some boots, you know, with false information, place location, etc. (mad man) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 1, 1998 9:42 pm Subject: Re: 2 Zoning CDs? Which is which? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: Vic Rek > >Yes, there is a limited number of CD-Rs floating around titled 'Zoning >1987'. There is about 21 minutes of music taken from the VHS film (rel. >1987) and the music is based upon the 'Vermillon Sands' track. The >music is taken directly from the film, so it is just a bunch of short >snips of music. Ta for the useful information, Vic ! :-) Now I know why the original music never got mentioned on the list, yet another bunch of short snips of music. Reminds me on Jim&Pablo and other OST boots. Vermillion Sands is better than any of the tracks on the original Video soundtrack, though. Kind Regards Jens np: Schulze/Goettsching: Live under the blue moon From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Oh no, not the K word (Kraftwerk) again! ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Very-Ex-Kraftwerk Fan' >Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:26:32 -0500 (CDT) >Subject: Re: kraftwerk >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >Hey everybody... Tickets for Kraftwerk go one sale in Chicago tomorrow... >I have never seen them 'live' before... [. . .] Neither has anybody else. ;) >[. . .] Is it worth attending? [. . .] it has been ten years since >they did an album! I think you've answered your own question. ;) Honestly, I have as short a fuse for Kraftwerk as many here have for Molasar's Follies. I mean, Ralf and Florian have put out--what?-- a total of 9 (if you count the remix) albums in 28 years and people fall over themselves about a band whose entire output never outsold one of Giorgio Moroder's hits, while our boys Eddie 'n' Jerry have put out-- what?--54 albums (not counting the compilations)--and they get slagged as New Age? Since when is it worse to be 'New Age' instead of *Disco*, anyways? (Kraftwerk's 1978 album, MAN-MACHINE was voted Disco Album of the Year in the cover story to an issue of DISCO WORLD magazine in 1979.) I will admit one thing, though: it's more amusing to watch real robots on stage (like at a Kraftwerk concert) than people who act like them (like at a Tangerine Dream concert; guitar solos don't count). ;) -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Apr 21, 1998 3:47 pm Subject: Re: for sale : steam iron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: OIK first read the min order...300 pcs....what would you do with 300 steam irons....that is $2,850 US...I could buy almost 3 of my car with that. tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'John M. Poer' > > At 01:04 AM 5/2/1998 +0900, you wrote: > >Really-From: mail admin > > > > > > > >REF NO : OTS-0501006 > > > >For sale:Steam iron with multiple functions. > > > >We would like to offer 'STEAM IRON' in very low price and > >in very high price. > >This product has multi-functions (ironing/making a beautiful > >face/humidifing/smelling sweet). > > > >DESCRTPTION UNIT PRICE(F.O.B.) MINIMUM ORDER > >FIRST-Q STEAM IRON US$ 9.50 300PCS > > > >Remarks, 1)Payment : By an irrevocable L/C at sight. > > 2)Shipment: Within three months after receiving L/C. > > 3)Gold International Award at the Invention Convention. > > August 31. 1997. California USA. > > 4)25th Silver International Award at Invention Convention. > > April 14. 1997. Geneve SWISS. > >If you are interested in it, please contact us > > > >tel : 82-2-790-6436 > >fax : 82-2-790-4713 > >e-mail : intokor@c... > > > >---------------------------------- > >S.K.HONG / INTO KOREA CORP.,LTD > > > That's the sneakiest ad I ever saw for a boot. Only those 'most dedicated' > fans would know that this is really a offer to sell a new boot. Wish I > could figure out what the title really is. I'm sure some of you folks who > really focus on the band can read the code. But, anyway, the price is > great. Do you suppose we can trust these guys? > > > > jp > > 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' -- OIK visit my home page at http://oik.home.ml.org sign up for my Philosophy Mailing List at http://oik.home.ml.org/mail_list.html Visit http://www.suite101.com/topics/page.cfm/748 and read my article on Enigma last but not least, Have a Nice Day :o) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 2, 1998 4:19 pm Subject: A few CDs for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Richmond Tadreamers: I have a few CDs I'm removing from my collection (all prices include postage): David Arkenstone - Citizen of Time - $4 David Arkenstone - In The Wake Of The Wind - $4 David Arkenstone - another star in the sky - $4 The Future Sound Of London - Lifeforms (2D) - $7 Ozric Tentacles - Arborescence - $4 Various Artists - No Boundaries - $3 (A CBS compilation w/P.Glass, C.Spheeris, J-L Ponty, C.Santana, etc.) I also have a couple hundred LPs I'm unloading, email me privately for a list. Later Tom Richmond trichmnd@e... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13514 Re: A few CDs for sale Roger Smith Sat 5/2/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 2, 1998 9:30 pm Subject: Re: A few CDs for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Roger Smith' Hi Tom, I'd like to take that Ozric Tentacles. Haven't heard their material, but only read about it. Perhaps this is a good time to check them out. Let me know it if still is available and the particulars of the deal. Thanks, Roger C. Smith P.O. Box 10552 Tallahassee, FL 32302 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 2, 1998 10:18 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #264 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: cosmos@c... hello would somebody be so kind to send this to me again as i am not able to open the original one. my pc crashes everytime so i don't know what happened. thanks in advance. by the way i mean V16 #264 best wishes from andre cosmos@c... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 2, 1998 11:06 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'K.E' Hi all, Lawry? If anybody still looking for a copy of Tangerine Ambience II, I have a few spare copies left. E-mail me privately. Kindly, Kent np; Threshold - 'Wounded land' > Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' > > E-Man said... > > > I've just finished listening to Tangerine Ambience II, courtesy of Dan, > > and all I can say is....hot damn!!!!!! > > I've never seen either of the TA CD's over in the UK, but I've been dying to > buy them. Does anyone know whether they made it here, and if so, where > I can get them from? Failing that, any european suppliers? I'm fed up > being stiffed for import duty from the US for CD's, so I'd rather not have > to buy them from there. > > TIA, > Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13958 Tangerine Ambience II Lawry Simm Tue 5/26/1998 3 KB 32827 Tangerine Ambience II Kent Eskildsen Tue 3/19/2002 2 KB 32835 Re: Tangerine Ambience II Eric Williamson Tue 3/19/2002 3 KB 32828 Re: Tangerine Ambience II Phil White Tue 3/19/2002 3 KB 32829 Re: Tangerine Ambience II PERGAMON Tue 3/19/2002 3 KB 32840 Tangerine Ambience II Morgan Feldon Tue 3/19/2002 2 KB 32842 Re: Tangerine Ambience II PERGAMON Wed 3/20/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 3, 1998 3:23 am Subject: Kamikaze 1989 LP + CD Back Cover Photos Hello Just found that the Kamikaze 1989 LP back cover has a total of 17 photo shots from the film, while the CD inlay only has 9. Hope this is of some interest :-) Jeffrey C. F. Au YeungICQ no. 9326338 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 4, 1998 12:45 am Subject: Items for trade , new Spanish list and boot images ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jupe Dear friends, I have for trade or sale : * CD TURN OF THE TIDES 1994 VCD-528 PDI 80.3418 * CD TYRANNY OF BEAUTY 1995 NUEVOS MEDIOS 35 672 CD * CD THE DREAM MIXES 1995 VIRGIN 7243 8 40916 2 0 * CD LIVE MILES 1988 CASTLE ESM CD 368 GAS 00000368ESM ACO * 2CD ZEIT 1972 RELATIVITY 88561-8070-2 * CD GREEN DESERT 1973 JIVE ELECTRO C TANG 1 * 5CD THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION 1996 CASTLE ESFCD420-GAS 0000420ESF ACO See details in : http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm To subscribe to TDfans (mailing list of TD in Spanish ) click here , http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/lista.htm I´m looking for jpgs or gifs of TD bootlegs, items and pieces to make a new boot page of TD. thanks and sorry for my english , Jupe * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * La PAGINA de TANGERINE DREAM de JUPE http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/home.htm mailto:jupe@c... New SWAP List 3.0 Nueva Lista de CAMBIO 3.0 http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm mailto:jupe@c... Para participar en la lista en castellano TDfans introduce tu email en el icono de suscripcion que encontraras en : http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/jupe.htm ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: 'Mailing List of TD in Spanish'? Cool! :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 02:45:02 +0200 >Subject: Re: Items for trade , new Spanish list and boot images >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: jupe > >To subscribe to TDfans (mailing list of TD in Spanish ) click here , > >http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/lista.htm Coo-el!!! >* ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * > La PAGINA de TANGERINE DREAM de JUPE > http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/home.htm mailto:jupe@c... > New SWAP List 3.0 Nueva Lista de CAMBIO 3.0 > http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm mailto:jupe@c... > Para participar en la lista en castellano TDfans introduce tu > email en el icono de suscripcion que encontraras en : > http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/jupe.htm >** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** Go man go!!! -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 4, 1998 3:37 am Subject: Perplexed by Dream Roots disc 5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid I heard the unreleased material from Dream Roots disc 5 for the first time today. Quite frankly (no pun intended), I don't know what to make of it. I have a hard time believing that all of this was made in the period between Schmoelling's departure and Haslinger's arrival. The soundstage is like nothing I've heard on any other TD album; it's this big, earthy reverb that sounds very out of place for the band (more like what one would expect from a Vangelis album, I think), especially at this (alleged) time. Both 'Valley of the Sun' and 'Vanishing Blue' sound like they have more to do with 'Canyon Dreams' than _Underwater Sunlight_ (less so in the case of the latter piece), though in 'VotS' one can still hear echoes of _Poland_ and--dare I say it?--_Rubycon_! The two more Froese-oriented pieces, 'Beach Bay Bunker' and 'Red Morpho', sound not unlike stuff from _Zoning '9x_ and _BtS_, but less well-structured and worse production--especially that bad flute sample in 'BBB', with that 'click' that sounds with each note. Already in each of these, there is the same tendency Edgar has nowadays to explore too many thematic ideas with weak links in-between, though 'Red Morpho' has much better, almost Stuntman-esque melodies, to its credit. So, I don't know. Were they in fact sowing the seeds of what was to come 4-5 years down the road here, and put it on hold when Haslinger signed on? Or is this all a clever fraud pieced together by Edgar? Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13521 Re: Perplexed by Dream Roots disc 5 Greg Heil Mon 5/4/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 4, 1998 4:37 am Subject: Re: Perplexed by Dream Roots disc 5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > Quite frankly (no pun intended), I don't know what to make of it. I have > a hard time believing that all of this was made in the period between > Schmoelling's departure and Haslinger's arrival. > So, I don't know. Were they in fact sowing the seeds of what was to come > 4-5 years down the road here, and put it on hold when Haslinger signed on? > Or is this all a clever fraud pieced together by Edgar? > > Gabe Maybe Edgar silently proved to himself that he's still capable of doing everything he's done before... but he needed his fans to prove this true--thus Disk 5. Conspiracy Theorist, Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 4, 1998 1:50 pm Subject: RE: for sale : steam iron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >first read the min order...300 pcs....what would you do with 300 steam >irons....that is $2,850 US...I could buy almost 3 of my car with that. Uh, re-sell them? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 4, 1998 1:49 pm Subject: Dream Roots 5 Conspiracy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean I disagree with the assessment it is unlike other TD music from the period... It fits right in with alot of S/T material they were doing at the time... Part of one piece is almost a direct take from The Park Is Mine... I have no doubts that the music is from the period it claims to be... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13527 Re: Dream Roots 5 Conspiracy Gabe Yedid Mon 5/4/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 4, 1998 1:51 pm Subject: B5 new episodics ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Suprisingly no one has mentioned it, but the second series of episodic discs is now available through Sonic Images... There are 6 new ones, which apparently have been available snce 4/21/98... I just order them this past weekend... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 4, 1998 1:56 pm Subject: Re: review requested ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 Deepak Chopra/Christoph Franke -- Transformation of Mind anyone heard this? how is it? thanks... tom w np: spiritualized = someplace in the uk 1997 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13526 Re: review requested =?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWW Mon 5/4/1998 4 KB 13528 Re: review requested TWeibre361 Mon 5/4/1998 3 KB 13531 Re: review requested =?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWW Mon 5/4/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 4, 1998 3:08 pm Subject: Re: review requested ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' I've got it. Someone speaks whilst Franke playing (quite good) music. it's a CD enhanced ie with cdrom track but no part has music apart. Must hear to those philosophical thoughts... Fred -----Message d'origine----- De : tadream mailing list À : tadream@c... Date : lundi 4 mai 1998 16:22 Objet : Re: review requested >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: TWeibre361 > > >Deepak Chopra/Christoph Franke -- Transformation of Mind > >anyone heard this? how is it? thanks... > >tom w > >np: spiritualized = someplace in the uk 1997 > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 4, 1998 3:49 pm Subject: Re: Dream Roots 5 Conspiracy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 4 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > > I disagree with the assessment it is unlike other TD music from the > period... It fits right in with alot of S/T material they were doing at > the time... Part of one piece is almost a direct take from The Park Is > Mine... I have no doubts that the music is from the period it claims to > be... > > MJ What do you mean? To me, it doesn't sound a thing like _Le Parc_ or _Legend_--and I don't hear any _Park Is Mine_ in there anywhere. Well OK, maybe at the beginning of the sequencer part in 'VotS', but that lasts for all of what, 2-3 minutes? Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 4, 1998 4:22 pm Subject: Re: review requested ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-05-04 11:22:44 EDT, you write: << I've got it. Someone speaks whilst Franke playing (quite good) music. it's a CD enhanced ie with cdrom track but no part has music apart. Must hear to those philosophical thoughts... >> is the spoken word way up front? in other words, is the music incidental to the philosophical thoughts? tom w np: batucada por favor From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 4, 1998 6:59 pm Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... I can't get over the sound quality of this Berlin encore from 1.30.1980... even tho it's in MP3 form... Morgan feldon@p... P.S. e-mail me for info. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 4, 1998 9:14 pm Subject: Transformation of mind ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' here's some philosophical food for thought, given by Deepak Chopra in 'Transformation of Mind', music by Chris Franke - (c) 1997 <> Hope this won't bore you Fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13538 Re: Transformation of mind Colin Knowles Tue 5/5/1998 4 KB 13541 Re: Transformation of mind =?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWW Tue 5/5/1998 3 KB 13543 Re: Transformation of mind TWeibre361 Tue 5/5/1998 3 KB 13588 Re: Transformation of mind =?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWW Fri 5/8/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 4, 1998 9:15 pm Subject: Re: review requested ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' music is quite perfect IMHO with the philosophical subject... Fred -----Message d'origine----- De : tadream mailing list À : tadream@c... Date : lundi 4 mai 1998 18:48 Objet : Re: review requested >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: TWeibre361 > > >In a message dated 98-05-04 11:22:44 EDT, you write: > ><< I've got it. Someone speaks whilst Franke playing (quite good) music. it's >a > CD enhanced ie with cdrom track but no part has music apart. Must hear to > those philosophical thoughts... > >> > >is the spoken word way up front? in other words, is the music incidental to >the philosophical thoughts? > >tom w > >np: batucada por favor > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: BEST OF THE KEEP CD-R (or C-90 TAPE) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman People, Now, now; don't get yer undies in a twist just yet just because my name and THE KEEP are both in the header of this posting. Instead of rehashing the usual, I have tried to put my mania to use by assembling what I think might be a good alternative for TD fans who don't own each and every TD item out there. Lord knows, even I don't have one of the original 40 copies of THE COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP CD-R, so I really sympathize with those with an interest but not the means. I mean, how many of you have the CD-R and LOGOS TYPE and the TDI Limited Edition, even? Maybe 20 out of--what is it, now?--700 of us here on this list? Below is my idea for a CD-R (74 mins.) or cassette tape (90 mins.) that would represent the film. If you don't care, press delete now. -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + I wanted to assemble a 'Best of' tape for a friend who likes the movie, THE KEEP, but does not care for Tangerine Dream all that much. In selecting the tracks, I thought that the lengthy tracks filled with drones that make up much of the BLUE MOON boot and THE COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP CD-R would not make for a tape that invited repeat listenings all too soon. Conversely, I wanted to make a tape that represented the music in the film or variants thereof. Therefore, most of what is on the TDI ltd. ed. CD was not used (because Michael Mann did not use it in the film). First of all, the following is the pool of tracks from which I chose my selections. Here, all the tracks are grouped together with the CDs that they are from. (Later, I will group the selections to follow the order of the tracks' appearances in the film.) NOTE: an 'x' before a track denotes music that might not be relevant. + - - - - - - - - + º LOGOS from 1982 º + - - - - - - - - + The two pieces of music listed below are variants of music that is actually in the film. From 20:16 to 25:45 (like when the two soldiers open the stone) 5:29 From 25:45 to 30:06 (pinging sounds; like when all the soldiers die) 4:21 This music is thematically similar to THE KEEP but is not in the film: x From 42:16 to 45:00 (the majestic ending to LOGOS) 2:44 + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + º THE LOGOS TYPE BOOT from 1997 (Berlin, 1992): º + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Tracks 3-7 contain music not on LOGOS that sounds similar to that in the film THE KEEP. Only (a variant of) track 3 is actually in the film. x3. Rush of Joy (5:09) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 16: 'Heritage Survival' (Track 4 serves as a bridge between track 3 and tracks 5-6.) Variants of tracks 5-6 are on the TDI ltd. ed. CD, but neither are in the film. x4. Mirage (2:37) [not really KEEP-related] x5. Desert Run (3:57) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 8: 'Sign in the Dark' 6. Renewed Purpose (4:18) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 6: 'Night in Romania' + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + º THE KEEP--BLUE MOON RECORDS BM-12/BMCD12 BOOTLEG CD from 1995 º + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + 3. The Black Soldiers (5:14) cf BL MOON track 7 & TDI ltd. ed. track 12 5. Brothers In Death (8:07) cf LOGOS (I forget which part) 7. Glaeken's Quest (4:38) cf BL MOON track 3 and TDI ltd. ed. track 12 14. The Keep 'Mid Theme' (Remix) (1:50) cf C WORKS track 7 ('Moorland') 15. The Keep 'End Theme' (Remix) (2:22) cf C WORKS track 13 ('Snowman') + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + º THE COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP CD-R from 1995 º + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + 6. Leave Taking (1:22) incidental movie music; from where? 7. Crossing Saver (4:02) cf BL MOON track 14: 'Mid Theme' ('Moorland') 8. Gloria (1:42) the movie version of the tune; cf TDI ltd. ed. track 1 10. Terrible (5:42) cf LOGOS from 25:45 to 30:06; opening of LP Side Two 13. The Keep Theme (3:57) cf BL MOON track 15: 'End Theme' ('Snowman') + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + º ELECTRONIC ORGY 4-CD BOOT from 1998 º + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + 11. Moorland 3:51 (on Disc Two) cf BL MOON track 14 and C WORKS track 7 + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + º THE TDI LIMITED EDITION CD from 1997: º + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + These three tracks are variants of similar tracks that are in the film: 1. Puer Natus est Nobis (Gloria theme) (3:09) 6. The Night in Romania (3:15) [has a flute-like synth solo] 7. Canzone (2:51) [the looped choral arrangement; the talisman] These three tracks are not in the film per se: x8. Sign in the Dark (4:19) cf LOGOS TYPE track 5: 'Desert Run' 12. Supernatural Accomplice (4:07) cf BL MOON track 7: 'Glaeken's Quest' x16. Heritage Survival (4:13) cf LOGOS TYPE track 3: 'Rush of Joy' + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + º THE LONG ENDING from THE BROADCAST TV VERSION OF THE KEEP º + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Long Ending (7:32) the ending itself: longest vers. of 'Snowman' extant Long Ending (12:32) ending inc. the repartee between Dr. Cuza & Molasar Above I grouped all the tracks together with the CDs that they are from. Now, I will group the selections so that they follow the order of the tracks' appearances in the film: Glaeken's Quest (4:38) BLUE MOON track 7; cf TDI ltd. ed. track 12 Supernatural Accomplice (4:07) TDI ltd. ed. track 12; cf BL MOON track 7 Logos from the 20:16 mark to the 25:45 mark (5:29) LOGOS album Logos from the 25:45 mark to the 30:06 mark (4:21) LOGOS album Brothers In Death (8:07) BLUE MOON track 5; cf LOGOS Terrible (5:42) COMPLETE WORKS track 10; cf LOGOS from 25:45 to 30:06 Leave Taking (1:22) C WORKS track 6; incidental movie music; from where? Puer Natus est Nobis (Gloria theme) (3:09) TDI ltd. ed. track 1 Gloria (1:42) COMPLETE WORKS track 8; the movie version of the tune The Keep 'Mid Theme' (Remix) (1:50) BLUE MOON track 14 ('Moorland') Crossing Saver (4:02) COMPLETE WORKS track 7 ('Moorland') Moorland 3:51 ELECTRONIC ORGY disc two, track 11 Canzone (2:51) TDI ltd. ed. track 7 [the looped choral arrangement] The Night in Romania (3:15) TDI ltd. ed. track 6 [flute-like solo] Renewed Purpose (4:18) LOGOS TYPE track 6 [flute-like solo] The Keep 'End Theme' (Remix) (2:22) BLUE MOON track 15 ('Snowman') The Keep Theme (3:57) COMPLETE WORKS track 13 ('Snowman') Long Ending (7:32) BROADCAST TV; the longest version of 'Snowman' extant [A Primary KEEP Tunes Total Running Time of 72:23] Note that 'The Keep 'Mid Theme' (Remix)'--from the BLUE MOON boot-- is somewhat redundant, as is 'The Keep 'End Theme' (Remix)'--also from the BLUE MOON boot. This is because the versions of these songs that appear on the COMPLETE WORKS CD-R ('Crossing Saver' and 'The Keep Theme') are both longer versions of 'Moorland' and 'Theme from the Snowman,' respectively. The KEEP-like tracks have been separated out because they really don't appear in the film anywhere. Specifically, I am referring to: Desert Run (3:57) LOGOS TYPE track 5; cf TDI ltd. ed. track 8 Sign in the Dark (4:19) TDI ltd. ed. track 8; cf LOGOS TYPE track 5 Rush of Joy (5:09) LOGOS TYPE track 3; TDI ltd. ed. track 16 Heritage Survival (4:13) TDI ltd. ed. track 16; cf LOGOS TYPE track 3 [Secondary KEEP Tunes Total Running Time of 17:58] Could anyone tell me just why it is that people consider the two tunes (spread over four tracks) above are considered to be 'KEEP' music. A Primary KEEP Tunes Total Running Time of 72:23 Secondary KEEP Tunes Total Running Time of 17:58 The Primary and Secondary Times Combine to 90:22 The primary KEEP tunes total 72 minutes and 23 seconds, which would make up a CD-R rather nicely. The secondary KEEP tunes total 17 minutes and 58 seconds. Add the two together, and you get 90 minutes and 22 seconds, which will fit on a 90-minute tape. Pretty good, eh? ;) 'Bye now. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13544 Re: BEST OF THE KEEP CD-R (or C-90 TAPE) Gabe Yedid Tue 5/5/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Correction to BEST OF KEEP CD-R (or tape) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Mon, 04 May 98 19:51:28 EDT >Subject: BEST OF THE KEEP CD-R (or C-90 TAPE) >From: Tangerine Dream mailing list >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + >º THE LOGOS TYPE BOOT from 1997 (Berlin, 1992): º >+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + > >Tracks 3-7 contain music not on LOGOS that sounds similar to that in the >film THE KEEP. Only (a variant of) track 3 is actually in the film. > ^^^^^^^ >x3. Rush of Joy (5:09) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 16: 'Heritage Survival' > >(Track 4 serves as a bridge between track 3 and tracks 5-6.) Variants of >tracks 5-6 are on the TDI ltd. ed. CD, but neither are in the film. > ^^^ >x4. Mirage (2:37) [not really KEEP-related] > >x5. Desert Run (3:57) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 8: 'Sign in the Dark' > 6. Renewed Purpose (4:18) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 6: 'Night in Romania' Whoops. I screwed up. The above *should* have read . . . + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | THE LOGOS TYPE BOOT from 1997 (Berlin, 1982): | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Tracks 3-7 contain music not on LOGOS that sounds similar to that in the film THE KEEP. Only (a variant of) track 6 is actually in the film. 6. Renewed Purpose (4:18) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 6: 'Night in Romania' ^^^^^^^ (Track 4 serves as a bridge between track 3 and tracks 5-6.) Variants of tracks 3 and 5 are on the TDI ltd. ed. CD, but neither are in the film. ^^^^^^^ x3. Rush of Joy (5:09) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 16: 'Heritage Survival' x4. Mirage (2:37) [not really KEEP-related] x5. Desert Run (3:57) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 8: 'Sign in the Dark' -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 5, 1998 9:03 am Subject: Re: for sale : steam iron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Sat, 2 May 1998 01:04:52 +0900 (KST), you wrote: >Really-From: mail admin > > > >REF NO : OTS-0501006 > >For sale:Steam iron with multiple functions. > >We would like to offer 'STEAM IRON' in very low price and >in very high price. >This product has multi-functions (ironing/making a beautiful >face/humidifing/smelling sweet). > >DESCRTPTION UNIT PRICE(F.O.B.) MINIMUM ORDER >FIRST-Q STEAM IRON US$ 9.50 300PCS > >Remarks, 1)Payment : By an irrevocable L/C at sight. > 2)Shipment: Within three months after receiving L/C. > 3)Gold International Award at the Invention Convention. > August 31. 1997. California USA. > 4)25th Silver International Award at Invention Convention. > April 14. 1997. Geneve SWISS. >If you are interested in it, please contact us > >tel : 82-2-790-6436 >fax : 82-2-790-4713 >e-mail : intokor@c... > >---------------------------------- >S.K.HONG / INTO KOREA CORP.,LTD > Please send me 5 'steam irons', nudge nudge, wink, wink! I hope no one finds out that they're actually copies of the original KEEP, but that will be our little secret. Look forward to hearing from you! -- Mike Livsey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 5, 1998 5:36 am Subject: Re: for sale : steam iron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC You mean the Bootleg version of the Keep or the TDI version? In a message dated 98-05-04 22:05:27 EDT, you write: << Please send me 5 'steam irons', nudge nudge, wink, wink! I hope no one finds out that they're actually copies of the original KEEP, but that will be our little secret. Look forward to hearing from you! -- Mike Livsey >> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13536 Re: for sale : steam iron Mike Livsey Tue 5/5/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 5, 1998 12:49 pm Subject: Re: for sale : steam iron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Tue, 5 May 1998 01:36:09 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: TangerineC > > >You mean the Bootleg version of the Keep or the TDI version? > Oh shoot! Did I post that message to the list? Mea Culpa! >In a message dated 98-05-04 22:05:27 EDT, you write: > ><< Please send me 5 'steam irons', nudge nudge, wink, wink! I hope no one > finds out that they're actually copies of the original KEEP, but that > will be our little secret. > > Look forward to hearing from you! > -- > Mike Livsey >> -- Mike Livsey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 5, 1998 9:57 am Subject: Re: Exit SBM version ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > Don't know if anyone else has noticed this but 'Pilots of purple > > twighlight' (sic) is spelt wrong. > > Yeah, my copy has it spelt that way too. Mind you, there are several > mistakes on the SBM covers, including incorrect band lineups and albums > such as 'Thief' labeled as being 'Live'. You'd think someone would be > checking this stuff. My SBM copy says 'Exit-Live' on the case! Really confused me when I saw it! Colin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 5, 1998 10:33 am Subject: Re: Transformation of mind ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' > > here's some philosophical food for thought, given by Deepak Chopra in > 'Transformation of Mind', music by Chris Franke - (c) 1997 > > fingers like sand. To have reality that is > whole and thus truly real, one must rise > above the intellect. Eh? > Hope this won't bore you > > Fred No, but I've got a feeling that the album might! Colin 'Music when coupled to an intriguing idea becomes poetry, Music, without an intriguing idea is simply music. Without music or an intriguing idea, colour becomes palor, Home becomes catacomb, And the dead.. are but for a moment.. motionless...' -- O. Wells (from APP's 'House of Usher') From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 5, 1998 12:45 pm Subject: Exit LP Testpressing + Gold Magazine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek A. Does anyone know where I can obtain TD testpressings? I'm particularly looking for the testpressing of the Exit LP. B. Gold Magazine CD Samplers - I know there was a Gold Magazine sampler CD release with the 'Streethawk' track on it (which I'm looking for), but awhile back I think someone hinted that there may be another sampler in this series that also contains a TD (or related) track. Can anyone help? How about our friends from the UK? Thanks, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 5, 1998 1:13 pm Subject: Virgin Collection 73-87 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Does anyone have a copy of the 4 CD (or 5 LP) sampler from Japan titled 'Virgin Collection 73-87' (Virgin VJD 25001-4)? I will pay cash or trade for this. BTW, you can check out my updated trade list at: http://idt.net/~torque19/td_trade.htm Thanks again, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 5, 1998 6:54 pm Subject: Re: Transformation of mind ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' > >> Hope this won't bore you >> >> Fred > >No, but I've got a feeling that the album might! > >Colin > Haha! You're right, I won't listen to that as often as... let's say Logos... or Klemania to stay at CF on his own. But it's interesting to have some thoughts from time to time... even if you can't understand all He says. BTW, think that I have to listen to that **in english** (which is not my mother tongue...) Fred Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 5, 1998 7:14 pm Subject: OFF TOPIC : Taurus II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' Hi, Tadreamers, I've just gone to the page http://www.moogmusic.com/archive/products/taurus.html, where a synthi called taurus II is shown (moog's archive). Does anyone know if there is a relation with Mike Oldfield's suite (QE2 / 5 miles out / crises) also called Taurus 1, 2 & 3? Thanx. Fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13547 Re: OFF TOPIC : Taurus II Marcel Engels Tue 5/5/1998 3 KB 13554 Re: OFF TOPIC : Taurus II Flemming Larsen Wed 5/6/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 5, 1998 7:19 pm Subject: Re: Transformation of mind ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-05-05 15:10:28 EDT, you write: << Haha! You're right, I won't listen to that as often as... let's say Logos... or Klemania to stay at CF on his own. But it's interesting to have some thoughts from time to time... even if you can't understand all He says. BTW, think that I have to listen to that **in english** (which is not my mother tongue...) >> but i still dont get the gist here...is it one of those recordings where the music is muted in the background and the spoken word is way up front, or the music is the important part with some whispered philosophical ramblings? does one buy this disc for the music or the enlightenment? and please dont say both... tom w np: talk talk = asides+besides From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 5, 1998 7:42 pm Subject: Re: BEST OF THE KEEP CD-R (or C-90 TAPE) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid I'd go for it, if the price was right... Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 5, 1998 7:58 pm Subject: Orson Welles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA Colin writes: > 'Music when coupled to an intriguing idea becomes poetry, > Music, without an intriguing idea is simply music. > Without music or an intriguing idea, colour becomes palor, > Home becomes catacomb, > And the dead.. are but for a moment.. motionless...' > -- O. Wells > (from APP's 'House of Usher') > Hey, great quote from 'Tales of Mystery and Imagination', but it should be attributed to Edgar Allen Poe. Orson Welles was the narrator, not the writer....David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13563 Re: Orson Welles Colin Knowles Thu 5/7/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 5, 1998 8:24 pm Subject: Vacation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: DAVENTURA After a nice 5 day trip to Yosemite (Heaven on Earth in California) this past weekend, I looked forward to coming home and reading all the 'great' mail from the list. Boy, was I disappointed. We are still ranting about Steven's KEEP obsession, and trying to figure out what pornography is or is not. My two cents don't matter, and personally I don't really care. Can we get back to important facts and rumors about TD, or have we run out of things to talk about? Deepak Chopra is an idiot. He gives 'New Age Medicine' a bad name. Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong....David BTW...While I was gone, I got a letter from Horizon Music announcing their release of Macula Transfer...it says 'released for the first time on cd...special offer available before official virgin records release...only $15 for subscribers...$18 for all others' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37364 Vacation strat95@b... strat9500 Fri 11/29/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 5, 1998 8:52 pm Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC : Taurus II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' > >I've just gone to the page >http://www.moogmusic.com/archive/products/taurus.html, where a synthi called >taurus II is shown (moog's archive). Does anyone know if there is a relation >with Mike Oldfield's suite (QE2 / 5 miles out / crises) also called Taurus >1, 2 & 3? Moog never released a Taurus 3, Oldfield did. So, no there no relation. :-))) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: 6 More B5 Discs; Are There 13 Now??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. 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Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven.Feldman, Anal-Retentive-at-Large Re B5, so far there's been [from the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY:] 1994 BABYLON 5 (ltd ed sndtrck; '95 ed adds 3 cuts, diff booklet & tray photo) 1997 BABYLON 5, VOLUME 2: MESSAGES FROM EARTH (TV soundtrack) ' BABYLON 5: A LATE DELIVERY FROM AVALON (1st TV ep. sndtrck; SI/fan club) ' BABYLON 5: Z'HA'DUM (2nd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue) ' BABYLON 5: SHADOW DANCING (3rd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) ' BABYLON 5: SEVERED DREAMS (4th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) ' BABYLON 5: WALKABOUT (5th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue) >Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:51:17 -0500 (CDT) >Subject: Re: B5 new episodics >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >Suprisingly no one has mentioned it, but the second series of episodic >discs is now available through Sonic Images... There are 6 new ones, >which apparently have been available snce 4/21/98... I just order them >this past weekend... When you find out what their names are, could you post them here? The more anally-retentive among us would like to have the specifics for discographical purposes. For example, I'm sure Lars Jones, Scott Plumer & Vic Rek would be appreciative--if they don't already know, that is. ;) -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13549 Re: 6 More B5 Discs; Are There 13 Now??? Dan J. Schulte Wed 5/6/1998 4 KB 13550 Re: 6 More B5 Discs; Are There 13 Now??? Vic Rek Wed 5/6/1998 3 KB 13551 Re: 6 More B5 Discs; Are There 13 Now??? John M. Poer Wed 5/6/1998 3 KB 13552 Luminous Visions chat! odyssey@o... Wed 5/6/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 6, 1998 3:36 am Subject: Re: 6 More B5 Discs; Are There 13 Now??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Steven.Feldman, Anal-Retentive-at-Large > > Re B5, so far there's been [from the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY:] > > 1994 BABYLON 5 (ltd ed sndtrck; '95 ed adds 3 cuts, diff booklet & tray photo) > 1997 BABYLON 5, VOLUME 2: MESSAGES FROM EARTH (TV soundtrack) > ' BABYLON 5: A LATE DELIVERY FROM AVALON (1st TV ep. sndtrck; SI/fan club) > ' BABYLON 5: Z'HA'DUM (2nd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue) > ' BABYLON 5: SHADOW DANCING (3rd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) > ' BABYLON 5: SEVERED DREAMS (4th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) > ' BABYLON 5: WALKABOUT (5th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue) > > >Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:51:17 -0500 (CDT) > >Subject: Re: B5 new episodics > >From: tadream mailing list > >Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > >Suprisingly no one has mentioned it, but the second series of episodic > >discs is now available through Sonic Images... There are 6 new ones, > >which apparently have been available snce 4/21/98... I just order them > >this past weekend... > > When you find out what their names are, could you post them here? > The more anally-retentive among us would like to have the specifics for > discographical purposes. For example, I'm sure Lars Jones, Scott Plumer > & Vic Rek would be appreciative--if they don't already know, that is. ;) > Franke sent us some promos of the CD's right before I bailed SC. I forgot the names but the SI website should already have them listed. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 6, 1998 3:59 am Subject: Re: 6 More B5 Discs; Are There 13 Now??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Steven.Feldman, Anal-Retentive-at-Large > When you find out what their names are, could you post them here? >The more anally-retentive among us would like to have the specifics for >discographical purposes. For example, I'm sure Lars Jones, Scott Plumer >& Vic Rek would be appreciative--if they don't already know, that is. ;) So why do you have two different discs of the Legend strk CD by Jerry Goldsmith? VR- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13551 Re: 6 More B5 Discs; Are There 13 Now??? John M. Poer Wed 5/6/1998 3 KB 13552 Luminous Visions chat! odyssey@o... Wed 5/6/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 6, 1998 4:31 am Subject: Re: 6 More B5 Discs; Are There 13 Now??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'John M. Poer' At 11:59 PM 5/5/1998 -0400, you wrote: > >Really-From: Vic Rek > >>Really-From: Steven.Feldman, Anal-Retentive-at-Large > >> When you find out what their names are, could you post them here? >>The more anally-retentive among us would like to have the specifics for >>discographical purposes. For example, I'm sure Lars Jones, Scott Plumer >>& Vic Rek would be appreciative--if they don't already know, that is. ;) > >So why do you have two different discs of the Legend strk CD by Jerry Goldsmith? > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >VR- > Gosh, that's a relief, I thought I was the only one who went out and bought those! I even have 'Vision Quest'. There's not a single TD cut on the album, but they are credited with the music. There are VERY few bits of their music in the film. jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13552 Luminous Visions chat! odyssey@o... Wed 5/6/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 6, 1998 5:17 am Subject: Luminous Visions chat! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: odyssey@odyssey3d.com Chat with the LUMINOUS VISIONS producer! Wednesday May 6th at 9pm (EDT) the Sci-Fi Channel's website, The Dominion, is hosting an online 'rave' chat event, featuring streaming video from Odyssey Production's newest video 'LUMINOUS VISIONS' and an online chat with STEVEN CHURCHILL, Producer of The Mind's Eye videos. 'LUMINOUS VISIONS' showcases the spectacular computer animation of Yoichiro Kawaguchi and music by Tangerine Dream. You won't want to miss it! To watch the streaming video and join the chat, visit http://www.scifi.com/rave/, or go to http://www.scifi.com/chat/ for more information. Requires RealPlayer 4.0 or later and a java-capable web browser. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 6, 1998 8:13 am Subject: Get Yer Chopra Snake Oil Here (music by Chris Franke) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Kepler Waaaay off topic, but what the hell? There doesn't seem to be much self-discipline practiced on this list. > Deepak Chopra is an idiot. He gives 'New Age Medicine' a bad name. Of > course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong....David Deepak Chopra is probably not an idiot. He is, in my not-so-humble opinion dishonest, crass and manipulative. He is another in a long line of snake-oil salesmen profiting from the idiocy of others. The idea that he gives 'New Age Medicine' a 'bad name' is amusing. The phraze 'New Age Medicine' is itself an oxymoron. The concept and practice of 'New Age Medicine' is full of tragi-comic ironies. Too bad Chris Franke let the nonsensical filing of his CDs in the 'New Age' section at Tower Records go to his head. I guess he's just trying to identify a niche market that can give him modest but dependable sales. Sort of a musical hanger-on to the New Age Medicine Show. I guess with the Chris Franke comment I've actually blundered back on-topic. Goody for me. I could be wrong, but I seldom think so. Michael 'The Cynic' Kepler From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC : Taurus II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Flemming Larsen fred.yargui@w... wrote : >I've just gone to the page >http://www.moogmusic.com/archive/products/taurus.html, where a synthi called >taurus II is shown (moog's archive). Does anyone know if there is a relation >with Mike Oldfield's suite (QE2 / 5 miles out / crises) also called Taurus >1, 2 & 3? Absolutely not !! The Taurus is an analog techno-synth. It's got nothing to do with Oldfield's Tauruses ! Flemming, Denmark. n.p.o.m Raven synthesizer. (n.p.o.m. = now playing on my) ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 6, 1998 2:53 pm Subject: lets get serious-(excuse my ramblings) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: joelm@b... Hi TD fanatics, and I know I can say that as I have read all the messages you have sent in the last week. I am a new subscriber to this list and a long time TD fan. My name is Joel Mullen and I live in Wisconsin. My sister almost went to UW Parkside (where I assume this list originates) before she decided to move in with her loser boyfriend (who is now a cop amazingly). I first got a taste of TD in highschool about '84. A couple of school plays we did had TD music as background music. We bought 'all' the TD albums we could find on with the school's money and made tapes for personal use (poor quality). It wasn't until 1987 when in college I bought a used copy of Dream Sequence (on CD) that I really began to appreciate them. Although I was a poor college student and CDs were new and expensive I bought whatever I found and thought I was doing pretty good collecting. With very few resources for discography I relied on liner notes and rumours for my searching. Every place ! ! I have traveled I have taken some time to check out the local stores for missing items. Everytime I find a release I am unaware of I am happy and frustrated (what else am I missing?) Over the years I have found many 'complete' discographies. Usually they would be pathetically small, or they would be large showing me 5 or 6 albums I could have bought 4 years ago, no problem, if i would have known they existed. (and they ALWAYS are missing something) Special orders never come in, the guy who does the imports is always on vacation, and no one seems to give a damn. Even TD fan sites are incomplete resources. Letters to record companies go unanswered or replies are pathetic (sonic images being the exception), 'who cares what we released 10 years ago?'. From reading your comments about 'THE KEEP' it sounds like even TD is being uncooperative. I don't know what you have discussed in previous digests about this, but it seems like we should unite and try to pull together a COMPLE! ! TE discography of TD and all solo artists. (I bet I can add at least a couple titles to any that you have) There is probably no worse band in the world to try and do this for. Who else releases more obscure singles,soundtracks,special printings,imports than TD? I think we should try and trackdown every project they have worked on even if there has not been a disc released yet. I don't know how many times I have bumped into a soundtrack by accident. I can't spend my whole life sifting aimlessly through the soundtracks section. (has anyone heard of the movie RED HEAT?, not the one with Arnold Schwarzenegger, I have seen it on TV twice and in the beginning it says music by Tangerine Dream and it sure sounds like it (should be mid 80's)) And don't tell me that an online CD store is going to be much better. They are NOT completely crossreferenced between artists and soundtracks, TRUST ME. I want all compilations on the list too-just because. (maybe I am anal too, but I can r! ! elate to Steven's quest for THE KEEP, I have the Jerry Goldsmith score for Legend, I bought Transformation of Mind and I HATE Deepak 'and as your mind drifts aimlessly pay no attention to my hand in your wallet' but that is not THE POINT) I have 175 CD's and Video's of T, solo efforts & remasters (only 2 boots- Antarktis & In Den Garten Pharos/Bicycle Race) and I have about 40-50 more on my list that are still out there. Lets pool our resources and find out what we should be looking for and all help eachother (hello overseas fans). Maybe I am way off base, but isn't that what we are here for? My address for all hate-mail is joelm@t... Feel free to e-me your Discography. Please keep all replies as long winded as possible. thanks for sharing, Joel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13556 Re: lets get serious-(excuse my ramblings) Plumer, Scott Wed 5/6/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 6, 1998 6:28 pm Subject: RE: lets get serious-(excuse my ramblings) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > I don't know what you have discussed in previous digests about this, but it seems like we should >unite and try to pull together a COMPLETE discography of TD and all solo artists. (I bet I can add >at least a couple titles to any that you have) There is probably no worse band in the world to try Been there, done that. I wrote a book about TD called _Mysterious Semblance_ that covers all their studio, live, ST, single, compilation and boot releases, plus all the concerts, lineup changes and everythhing else you can think of. Let me know if you're interested in a copy. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 6, 1998 9:57 pm Subject: TD in techno tracks.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tony Marshall Hi, Does anyone know of any techno/trance tracks which sample TD? The reason I ask is because I stumbled across one the other day. It's called 'Dominion' and is by 'Logo'. As you may guess, it's based on Logos, and pretty good it is too, certainly better than anything on Dream Mixes IMHO. I remember saying ages ago that I wish some of today's best dance acts would remix classic TD, maybe they've already started! If you want to listen, I've put the .mp3 on my website http://www.zigzag.u-net.com/td.htm Tony. Tony Marshall |#include ----------------------|--------------------------------------------------- My Mystery Tune Page http://www.zigzag.u-net.com/ - updating it soon! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13558 Re: TD in techno tracks.. Gabe Yedid Thu 5/7/1998 3 KB 13561 Re: TD in techno tracks.. Hassinen Ami Thu 5/7/1998 3 KB 13565 Re: TD in techno tracks.. Sean Montgomery Thu 5/7/1998 3 KB 13571 Re: TD in techno tracks.. Greg Heil Fri 5/8/1998 3 KB 13574 Re: TD in techno tracks.. Plumer, Scott Fri 5/8/1998 3 KB 13589 Re: TD in techno tracks.. Jens Peschke Fri 5/8/1998 4 KB 13608 Re: TD in techno tracks.. Tony Marshall Sun 5/10/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 7, 1998 12:54 am Subject: Re: TD in techno tracks.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 6 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Tony Marshall > > > Hi, > Does anyone know of any techno/trance tracks which sample TD? > > The reason I ask is because I stumbled across one the other day. It's > called 'Dominion' and is by 'Logo'. As you may guess, it's based It's not actually based on the TD piece of the same name, is it? > on Logos, and pretty good it is too, certainly better than anything > on Dream Mixes IMHO. No comment there... > I remember saying ages ago that I wish some of > today's best dance acts would remix classic TD, maybe they've already > started! Well, there is this thing I stumbled across years ago as a college DJ, can't remember the track title, but I remember the artist was 'NUT-E1'. It contained what I will swear, to this day, was a looped sample from 'Trap Feeling'. > If you want to listen, I've put the .mp3 on my website > > http://www.zigzag.u-net.com/td.htm Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: LUMINOUS VISIONS Rave: sound & vision, but no chat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi, I'm looking at the video stream from the LUMINOUS VISIONS rave but don't know how to get into the chat part of it. Anyone know? -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 7, 1998 8:02 am Subject: Greetings ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky >> ... HREF='http://www.bluefront.com/just4fun/greetings.htm'>Greetings >> >> http://www.bluefront.com/just4fun/greetings.htm >> >> >> CLICK ON THIS AND BE SURE TO READ EACH BOX AS U >> GO.....VERY......VERY.....FUNNY!! >> > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15615 Greetings Steven Le Vine Tue 4/13/1999 1 KB 15640 Re: Greetings Shadow Tue 4/13/1999 2 KB 15645 Re: Greetings Steven Le Vine Wed 4/14/1999 2 KB 15727 Re: Greetings tom george Fri 4/16/1999 1 KB 15769 Re: Greetings Steven Le Vine Sat 4/17/1999 1 KB 15772 Re: Greetings James Horecka, AIA Sat 4/17/1999 1 KB 15784 Re: Greetings j.gordon Sat 4/17/1999 1 KB 15786 Re: Greetings Steven Le Vine Sat 4/17/1999 2 KB 15855 Re: Greetings j.gordon Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 7, 1998 11:11 am Subject: Re: TD in techno tracks.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ami.hassinen@e... (Hassinen Ami) Swoosshhh... If you have the 'Tales of Ephidrina' by the group Amorphus Androgynus (well...it is FSOL really), you´ll be able to hear a plenty of TD sounds there. Especially from Phaedra and Force Majeure... Cheers, Ami Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13565 Re: TD in techno tracks.. Sean Montgomery Thu 5/7/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 7, 1998 10:01 am Subject: Froese interviews about Mellotron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Grant Middleton I've digitised the interviews Edgar gave about the Mellotron from the BBC Radio 2 show on the beast. You can find them at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9240/download.ht ml They are in MPEG3, 22.05kHz, stereo format. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Grant Middleton, Senior Software Engineer, Marconi Simulation, UK Phone: +44 (0)1383 - 828027 Fax: +44 (0)1383 - 824227 E-Mail: grant.middleton@g... Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9240/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 7, 1998 9:56 am Subject: Re: Orson Welles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles > Really-From: DAVENTURA > > Colin writes: > > 'Music when coupled to an intriguing idea becomes poetry, > > Music, without an intriguing idea is simply music. > > Without music or an intriguing idea, colour becomes palor, > > Home becomes catacomb, > > And the dead.. are but for a moment.. motionless...' > > -- O. > Wells > > (from APP's 'House of Usher') > > > Hey, great quote from 'Tales of Mystery and Imagination', but it should be > attributed to Edgar Allen Poe. Orson Welles was the narrator, not the > writer....David True! Also the above is actually a mis-quote, serves me right for trying to type it from memory. I checked last night and it is actually (still not too sure about the fisrt line!): 'Music, when combined with an interesting idea is poetry, Music, without the idea is simply music. Without music or an intriguing idea, colour becomes palor, Man becomes carcass, Home becomes catacomb, And the dead.. are but for a moment.. motionless' - E. A. Poe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 7, 1998 5:33 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #273 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TradinCrds Really-From: Michael Kepler << Really-From: Michael Kepler >> I could be wrong, but I seldom think so. of course u dont think u are wrong.. who walks around thinking they are wrong about things?? i personally dont know anyone who does.. also.. how often u think u are wrong.. has little to do with how often u are.. or whether or not u are wrong... only that u dont think it very often.. but then if u did.. u wouldnt have spoken in the first place now would u? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 7, 1998 7:01 pm Subject: Re: TD in techno tracks.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery Another TD sample (from Poland) is in the song 'Johnny Favourite' by David Holmes. It's not really techno though. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 7, 1998 4:17 pm Subject: Kaliedescope--TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Found this on a webpage...interesting. Mike >KALEIDOSCOPE-'TANGERINE DREAM + 6' 441822 $20.00 The first official release of this rare 1967 album by the psychedelic pop act. Features all of the original cuts and six bonus tracks: 'Flight From Ashiya' (Mono Single Version), 'Holiday Maker' (Mono Single Mix), 'A Dream For Julie', 'Please Excuse My Face' (Mono Single Mix), 'Jenny Artichoke' and 'Just How Much You Are'. 17 tracks total. Comes pressed on a colorful picture disc. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13570 Re: Kaliedescope--TD JMPoer Fri 5/8/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 7, 1998 6:17 pm Subject: PC PG S + J&P ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' I never noticed Sting did backing vocals in *Long long way to go* (Phil Collins, No Jacquet Required) I checked in the booklet He did Peter Gabriel was also involved in *Take me home* I know : I'm mad I also must give an aswer to 'Transformation of Mind' : is there music in it? I'll answer ASA I put the disc in the juke box again. BTW, I put off all Jim & Pablo voices in the Meteor ; it remains approx 9 min of music. Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 7, 1998 9:42 pm Subject: Shepherds Bush 1996 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Jenkins Quickie- why did Edgar decide to play a one-off in London in Nov 96 ? I was there and it was a great concert, but I never discovered why they did it ? Was it to trial Goblins Club ? I think not. Suggestions ? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13569 Re: Shepherds Bush 1996 Gabe Yedid Thu 5/7/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 7, 1998 10:35 pm Subject: Re: Shepherds Bush 1996 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid seems to me they were just testing the waters to see if there was still enough interest for a tour... and I guess there was... Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 7:28 am Subject: Re: Kaliedescope--TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JMPoer At 04:17 PM 5/7/1998, you wrote: >Really-From: Michael Fox > > >Found this on a webpage...interesting. >Mike > >>KALEIDOSCOPE-'TANGERINE DREAM + 6' 441822 $20.00 The first official >release of this rare >1967 album by the psychedelic pop act. Features all of the original cuts >and six bonus tracks: 'Flight >>From Ashiya' (Mono Single Version), 'Holiday Maker' (Mono Single Mix), 'A >Dream For Julie', >'Please Excuse My Face' (Mono Single Mix), 'Jenny Artichoke' and 'Just How >Much You Are'. 17 >tracks total. Comes pressed on a colorful picture disc. > Yeah, I saw this too (or at least the CD version), in the Virgin Megastore in Hollywood just last week. Filed with the Dream stuff, of course. This must have been re-released. jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 7:39 am Subject: Re: TD in techno tracks.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' I think 'Dream Mixes' is great compared to current techno.. Browsing the crop of techno creates the most confusion of anything.. no categories/composers, titles full of 'file under Electronica', DJ Fat Albert Slim Jim's 23rd release of the 'Greatest and Hottest Dance Mixes of the 20th Century' cr@p... and of course, the not so wonderful lyrics containing sexual hysteria and flabber dabber dialect. Not my thing. I'm sure there is probably some techno out there as good or better than 'Dream Mixes', but it's really difficult to find the good ones from the mass of bad. Sampleing from TD? How about Pink Floyd's 'Time' being sampled on 'Expander' from the album 'Accelerator?' Can't miss those drums from anywhere. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 9:28 am Subject: TD to look for in London? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ben Ohmart I was curious what Tangerine Dream (or solo) I should look for, as I'll be in London on Tuesday. I'd rather things that are hard to get in the US where I live. Please make suggestions. Thanks. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13585 Re: TD to look for in London? Scott L. Holmes Fri 5/8/1998 3 KB 13587 Re: TD to look for in London? JMPoer Fri 5/8/1998 4 KB 13614 Re: TD to look for in London? Geir Smedsrud Mon 5/11/1998 3 KB 13592 Re: TD to look for in London? AOutland Sat 5/9/1998 3 KB 13593 Re: TD to look for in London? AOutland Sat 5/9/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 1:46 pm Subject: Re: Kaleidoscope ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Bill Lantz Michael Fox wrote: >KALEIDOSCOPE-'TANGERINE DREAM + 6' 441822 $20.00 The first official release of this rare 1967 album by the psychedelic pop act. Features all of the original cuts and six bonus tracks: 'Flight From Ashiya' (Mono Single Version), 'Holiday Maker' (Mono Single Mix), 'A Dream For Julie', 'Please Excuse My Face' (Mono Single Mix), 'Jenny Artichoke' and 'Just How Much You Are'. 17 tracks total. Comes pressed on a colorful picture disc. I saw this at local CD shop for $22 and wanted to get an opinion form the list before picking it up. Is this legit? The pictures of the front were faces I didn't recognize, perhaps Edgar's only. They looked like kids. Can anyone shed some light on this release? Bill Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13577 Re: Kaleidoscope Vincent Goudreault Fri 5/8/1998 4 KB 13578 Re: Kaleidoscope Jens Peschke Fri 5/8/1998 3 KB 13579 Re: Kaleidoscope Plumer, Scott Fri 5/8/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 2:01 pm Subject: RE: TD in techno tracks.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Speaking of techno, there was a story on PRI the other day about a new trend in Eastern Europe of playing Communist songs to a techno beat. The one they played was from Hungary, I think, but the song I immediately recognized. It must be the most famous of all Communist songs. It was really cool, though, and I don't like techno much. Anyone know about it? Maybe I'll hum the tune and make a sound file of it for anyone who wants to track it down. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 2:09 pm Subject: TD Homepage Gripe and Schulze 'Goes Classic' inlay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' Is it just me or does it seem like an age since the TD homepage has been updated, or Jerome's and the TDI sub-pages for that matter. Pity the webmaster doesn't reply to the guestbook more too. Q: Does anyone out there with Klaus Schulze's 'Goes Classic' have access to a colour photocopier? If so would you be willing to make me a copy? I'd very much appreciate it if someone could. Will reciprocate in whetever way I can! I recently bought the cd second hand and coverless :-) and :-( Please email me privately if you can help. Regards, Conrad Gibbons (e-mail: conrad.gibbons@l...) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 2:15 pm Subject: Off-topic request ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ian Shillingford Dear fellows , I've had an audio tape recording of two pieces of e-music from a TV test pattern here in Australia from ... oooh.... way back in the late 70's I think. Anyway, until now I've had no idea how to found out what they are and who they're by. Now, if any of you kind souls would visit ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/eons you hear a bit of each, and if you know them, please let me know! I'd appreciate if this could be sent to the gold-tri maillist. Unfortunately, neither are by TD (back on topic ) Ian Shillingford From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 2:18 pm Subject: Re: Kaleidoscope ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Bill Lantz > > Michael Fox wrote: > > >KALEIDOSCOPE-'TANGERINE DREAM + 6' 441822 $20.00 The first official > release of this rare 1967 album by the psychedelic pop act. Features all of > the original cuts and six bonus tracks: 'Flight From Ashiya' (Mono Single > Version), 'Holiday Maker' (Mono Single Mix), 'A Dream For Julie', > 'Please Excuse My Face' (Mono Single Mix), 'Jenny Artichoke' and 'Just How > Much You Are'. 17 tracks total. Comes pressed on a colorful picture disc. > > I saw this at local CD shop for $22 and wanted to get an opinion form the > list before picking it up. Is this legit? The pictures of the front were > faces I didn't recognize, perhaps Edgar's only. They looked like kids. Can > anyone shed some light on this release? > > Bill This is *NOT* a Tangerine Dream album. The band name was Kaleidoscope, and the *album* title is 'Tangerine Dream'. You don't recognize anyone in the sleeve picture because there is no one that you should recognize! Back in 1967, Tangerine Dream (the band) didn't exist yet under that name. C.B. Vincent Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 2:31 pm Subject: Re: Kaleidoscope ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: Bill Lantz >>KALEIDOSCOPE-'TANGERINE DREAM + 6' 441822 $20.00 The first official > >I saw this at local CD shop for $22 and wanted to get an opinion form the >list before picking it up. Is this legit? The pictures of the front were >faces I didn't recognize, perhaps Edgar's only. They looked like kids. Can >anyone shed some light on this release? AFAIK it´s a legit release from a *BAND* called Kaleidoscope. Edgar Froese was never a member of Kaleidoscope, btw. Hope this helps Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 2:47 pm Subject: RE: Kaleidoscope ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Back in 1967, Tangerine Dream (the band) didn't exist yet under that >name. Au contraire! TD, with that name, formed in September 1967. Of course, if you had my book you would know that. :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 3:39 pm Subject: Moot point and arguing over petty details... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >Back in 1967, Tangerine Dream (the band) didn't exist yet under > that > >name. > > Au contraire! TD, with that name, formed in September 1967. Of > course, if you had my book you would know that. :-) > > Scott Picky picky PICKY! They didn't have an album out under that name, so no one would have known about them... Besides, in 1967, they didn't exist under the name Tangerine Dream *until* September, which leaves 75% of that year without them. C.B.V.Goudreault Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13583 Re: Moot point and arguing over petty details... TangerineC Fri 5/8/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Sheperds Bush 1996 and dream Roots5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: szatmari pal >Really-From: Steve Jenkins >Quickie- why did Edgar decide to play a one-off in London in Nov >96 ? I was there and it was a great concert, but I never >discovered why they did it ? Was it to trial Goblins Club ? > I think not. Suggestions ? It was put on the official home page after the concert that Edgar and Jerome had decided to change direction and the 96 Sheperds Bush gig was really a farewell concert (to the old line-up). At that time they were not planning a tour. At least the home page message urged everyone to attend that gig because 'there will be no tour'. Maybe the idea of a drummer + Zlatko addition came in the meantime and they changed their minds about the tour supported by the success of that SB gig (I was there too). I was going to comment the Dream Roots CD5 message earlier but somehow I did not get to it. I do not thing that it is Edgar's conspiracy. You can feel Franke's impact very well listening to Valley of the Sun and Vanishing Blue and even Red Morpho. The tracks may have been TANGENTISED but otherwise I think is was really composed in the given era (1985-86) We will have more guessing to do when those retrospective releases come to light. Dream on... Paul ------------------------------ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 9:07 am Subject: Risky Business Audio Movie Kit Bootleg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Klaus Beschorner Fellows, please excuse the blasphemy of actually posting something on-topic ;-) I just received a letter advertising a professionally bound, CD-size book of all the printed material in the Risky Business Audio Movie Kit plus two CDs exactly reproducing the orignal LPs. Edition is said to be 300 numbered copies at US$ 135.- (ouch) inc. air mail postage from Burping Cow Productions (remember 70/90 and Prayer of quiet Dreams ?). I expect these to go quickly, especially if they were advertised among the collectors of other artists/film fans as well. -- (TEEL) Tokyo Electron Europe Limited - Interconnect Systems Klaus Beschorner...................EMail.:....klaus@i... Drosselweg 6.......................Tel.:.....+49-7033-45683 D-71120 Grafenau...................Mobile:.+49-171-733 8969 Germany............................Fax.:.....+49-7033-45631 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13591 Re: Risky Business Audio Movie Kit Bootleg Dan J. Schulte Sat 5/9/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 5:44 pm Subject: Re: Moot point and arguing over petty details... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC It's to coincidental that Edgar came up with TD when the other group just happened to come out with the same name? Come on! Let's use our heads. The words Tangerine Dream was never even used in the same breath by anybody before 1967. Now all of a sudden it's used twice in 1967? Edgar definetly got the name from this. Although I wonder if he would ever admit it. Tom In a message dated 98-05-08 11:41:11 EDT, you write: << > >Back in 1967, Tangerine Dream (the band) didn't exist yet under > that > >name. > > Au contraire! TD, with that name, formed in September 1967. Of > course, if you had my book you would know that. :-) > > Scott >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 6:53 pm Subject: TD Bibilography ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I'm currently compiling a bibliography of articles & reviews on TD and their member. If anyone has any articles, or could check the indexes of their local papers or national magazines, I'd really appreciate it. I don't the actual article, just the bibliographic information, so please just send me the following information on the articles: Author, article title, periodical title, date, pages article appears on. I have the 1996 articles from Keyboard, plus all the articles from the New York Times and Cleveland Plain Dealer, so don't bother with those. I also have articles from Melody Maker back to about 1990. If you're unsure whether or not I have it, send it anyway. I especially would like articles from local newspapers and anything from the '70s and early '80s. I plan on putting the bibliography on my web page when it's done. Thanks a lot. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 9:27 pm Subject: Re: TD to look for in London? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Scott L. Holmes' >I was curious what Tangerine Dream (or solo) I should look for, as I'll be >in London on Tuesday. I'd rather things that are hard to get in the US >where I live. Please make suggestions. Thanks. The sound tracks to Sorcerer and Heartbreakers. I can't find them anywhere. Are they out of print (or never went). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13587 Re: TD to look for in London? JMPoer Fri 5/8/1998 4 KB 13614 Re: TD to look for in London? Geir Smedsrud Mon 5/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 9:20 pm Subject: Beyond The Horizon, calling it quits? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) Hello, I just got a copy of the latest Klaus Schulze Circle and Mr. Mueller says in the publication that Beyond the Horizon has called it quits. What a shame! I thought it was a great e-music magazine! He says Horizon Music is going to concentrate on there CD-mail order business. He wrote BTH with a 3 page letter telling them what will be lost if they follow through on this decision. He thinks it inevitable that they will follow through on there decision. Martyn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13590 Re: Beyond The Horizon, calling it quits? Vic Rek Sat 5/9/1998 4 KB 13600 Re: Beyond The Horizon, calling it quits? Dave Brewer Sat 5/9/1998 3 KB 13607 Re: Beyond The Horizon, calling it quits? Brian E. Kirby Sun 5/10/1998 3 KB 13594 Re: Beyond The Horizon, calling it quits? AOutland Sat 5/9/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 9:23 pm Subject: Re: TD to look for in London? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JMPoer At 05:27 PM 5/8/1998 -0400, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: 'Scott L. Holmes' > > >>I was curious what Tangerine Dream (or solo) I should look for, as I'll be >>in London on Tuesday. I'd rather things that are hard to get in the US >>where I live. Please make suggestions. Thanks. > >The sound tracks to Sorcerer and Heartbreakers. I can't find them anywhere. Are they out of print (or never went). > > I haven't been able to find the SBM edition of 'Thief'. jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 9:45 pm Subject: Re: Transformation of mind ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' >Really-From: TWeibre361 > > >In a message dated 98-05-05 15:10:28 EDT, you write: > > >but i still dont get the gist here...is it one of those recordings where the >music is muted in the background and the spoken word is way up front, or the >music is the important part with some whispered philosophical ramblings? these are not whispers; he speaks clearly, breaking the music, this is sure. Note that there are means to cut off the voice nowadays... does anybody have this (technical) means? >does >one buy this disc for the music or the enlightenment? and please dont say >both... > Personnaly, I've bought the CD for I am a collector... >tom w > >np: talk talk = asides+besides > np : lightwave - modular experiment Fred PS : I've cut off the words as I did with J&P. There are much more music than words on the contrary of J & P. For instance, the first track still contains 3:02 of music upon a initial timing of 4:34. I'll do other tracks later and tell you the statistics! Ps 2 : I think this cd is more (much more) a pub for DC's books than for CF musical work (IMHO) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 10:47 pm Subject: Re: TD in techno tracks.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > >I think 'Dream Mixes' is great compared to current techno.. That depends on your experiences/knowledge. >I'm sure there is probably some techno out there as good or better >than 'Dream Mixes', but it's really difficult to find the good ones >from the mass of bad. Quite, it´s difficult but it´s worth the time to find the better stuff, IMHO. Try the Intelligent Techno/IDM substyle: Eat Static, Banco di Gaia, Link (the guys of Global Communications) as starters. Mind~Flux (everything, 'Konception of space' as starter, Paul Van Dyk (7 ways) and Sven Vaeth ('The harlequin..') are offering an interesting hybrid of Electronic Music and Techno. 'The essential mix show' (mixed by SNAP!) is one of my favourite samplers including finitribe and leftfield. One of the tracks includes a TD sample as well (taken from Poland , bits of the spoken Polish introduction), another track is an exciting remix of Pete Namlook´s/Klaus Schulze´s DSOTM III part V. 'The essential mix show' was broadcasted on BBC´s radio 1, btw. Although I like DMI and II the mentioned artists do it better (IMO, you know?). Kind Regards Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 8, 1998 11:14 pm Subject: Re: Beyond The Horizon, calling it quits? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) > I just got a copy of the latest Klaus Schulze Circle and Mr. >Mueller says in the publication that Beyond the Horizon has called it >quits. What a shame! I thought it was a great e-music magazine! He >says Horizon Music is going to concentrate on there CD-mail order >business. He wrote BTH with a 3 page letter telling them what will be >lost if they follow through on this decision. He thinks it inevitable >that they will follow through on there decision. Well, I was keeping quiet about this, but I guess the 'cat is out of the bag'. There will be one last issue (I think) or maybe a newsletter explaining the situation. From then on I hear that there will be a short newsletter that will focus on the products/artists of Horizon Music. I regret this decision too, but at least there will be no more controversy when each issue comes out (and I'll miss that also). Another regret is the KS Circle. I hope that this information will still be available to us without paying some large subscription fee. And speaking of fees... What's SMD (Synth Music Direct) charging these days for a subscription? Around 20 pounds + an 8 CD yearly purchase? Seems kind of high since I'm sure they're selling more music than ever before. But then again, no one said that enjoying and collecting electronic music was going to be cheap ;-) Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13600 Re: Beyond The Horizon, calling it quits? Dave Brewer Sat 5/9/1998 3 KB 13607 Re: Beyond The Horizon, calling it quits? Brian E. Kirby Sun 5/10/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 9, 1998 12:45 am Subject: Re: Risky Business Audio Movie Kit Bootleg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > Really-From: Klaus Beschorner > > > Edition is said to be 300 numbered copies at US$ 135.- (ouch) > inc. air mail postage from Burping Cow Productions (remember > 70/90 and Prayer of quiet Dreams ?). Ugh...oh do I! If it's anywhere near as bad as PFQD then I'd avoid this boot like Celine Dion's new album! My advice to all who wonder...stay away from cows that burp. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 9, 1998 1:15 am Subject: Re: TD to look for in London? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-05-08 09:37:08 EDT, you write: << ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ben Ohmart I was curious what Tangerine Dream (or solo) I should look for, as I'll be in London on Tuesday. I'd rather things that are hard to get in the US where I live. Please make suggestions. Thanks. >> I would suggest you look for Thief. It's pretty impossible to find in the States, but may still be available in Europe. And, trust me, this is one album you definitely want in your collection. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 9, 1998 1:27 am Subject: Re: TD to look for in London? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-05-08 17:21:47 EDT, you write:Scott Holmes: << The sound tracks to Sorcerer and Heartbreakers. I can't find them anywhere. Are they out of print (or never went). >> I found these at Barnes and Noble here in the States. They have just about everything TD in stock, or they can order it from one of their other stores. A little on the high side for cost though. Tip: you have to look in their Soundtracks section. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 9, 1998 1:32 am Subject: Re: Beyond The Horizon, calling it quits? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-05-08 17:22:12 EDT, you write: << Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) Hello, I just got a copy of the latest Klaus Schulze Circle and Mr. Mueller says in the publication that Beyond the Horizon has called it quits. >> Oh, terrific. They still owe me one more magazine. 8-( Well, you could almost see the writing on the wall. Postponed publications and late deliveries and an all out war with the number one electronic group ever IMO was bound to take its toll. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 9, 1998 2:15 am Subject: New B5 Titles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Fall of Night Interludes and Examinations Into the Fire No Surrender No Retreat Face of The Enemy The Ragged Edge 10.98 each Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13597 Re: New B5 Titles joelm@b... Sat 5/9/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 9, 1998 3:16 am Subject: Franke/Haslinger Gotta Go!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ken Beal As I feel there is mo betta music out there, the following just gotta go... Christopher Franke... Techni the Movie................$9.00 Babylon 5 Episodic CDs.......$8.00 each Z'Ha Dum Shadow Dancing Walkabout A Late Delivery From Avalon Severed Dreams Paul Haslinger Future Primitive................$9.00 World Without Rules...........$9.00 Absolutely pristine condition. Will consider trades for Steve Jolliffe CDs or ??. Shipping extra... Thanks for looking, Ken From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 9, 1998 5:06 am Subject: RE: New B5 Titles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: joelm@b... F.Y.I- CDnow has them for $9.98 but the only way to find them is to search under 'soundtracks''babylon 5' they are not cross referenced to Christopher Franke. Shipping is a buck less than Sonic Images direct. CD world has them too, but they are even more expensive than Sonic Images. Joel ----Original Message----- >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >To: tadream@c... >Subject: New B5 Titles >Date: Friday, May 08, 1998 9:15 PM > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: Michael A Jean > > > >Fall of Night >Interludes and Examinations >Into the Fire >No Surrender No Retreat >Face of The Enemy >The Ragged Edge > >10.98 each > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59 am Subject: w06-7 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: cairo-egypt@u... 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(tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 9, 1998 10:02 pm Subject: A touch of Teutonic sarcasm detected? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dan.cor@v... Hi all, I was telling a relative the other day that I had joined the tadream mailing list when he reminded me of a story he had told me a few years ago. In the 70's he was in the 'music business' (he had a rehearsal studio and was Johny Rotten's minder!) and knew a lot of people. He had contacts in Virgin in those days and told me about the less than welcoming reception that TD recieved when the went to record at the Manor. Their rather unusual methods and music apparently went down rather badly with the recording studio staff, who constantly took the p@##. They would connect crocodile clips to their cloths overnight (boy what a laugh they must have been) and generally give them a hard time about being Germans. This is consistent with something that has bugged me for a long time, and sorry if it has come up before, but the sleeve notes for rubycon (and to a lesser extent Phaedra) strike me as odd. In rubycon the boys give: 'special thanks to the helpful ladies at the manor...' This is just my impression - no insults intended! - but the technical side of music production is male dominated, and I suspect it was almost exclusively male in the 70's. So who were the helpful ladies? 'Ladies of Negotiable Affection'? Tea-ladies? A mis-print of 'laddies'. No. I propose that Edgar et al were cheesed off with the antics that went on and produced this sarcastic thank you note. Ah, the renowned Germanic sense of humour. And boy they can still pull out a few rib-ticklers 20 years later. Cheers, Daniel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 9, 1998 5:08 pm Subject: Re: Beyond The Horizon, calling it quits? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer If BTH is ending, what's going to happen to everyone (including myself) that ordered a copy of Infinite Horizons? Are we still going to get them? Well, I guess it would be a good idea to subscribe to the Dream Collector now... Dave B. (in the middle of my final final exams! :-) ) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13607 Re: Beyond The Horizon, calling it quits? Brian E. Kirby Sun 5/10/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 9, 1998 10:20 pm Subject: Re:Humble Request to Mr. Datta ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland My first experience of the power of the Internet was when a friend asked me what I would like to see there. I, of course, chose Tangerine Dream. He then found and printed your discography for me which I have cherished ever since. Now, I have a friend in Australia that would also like to see it and I cannot find it anywhere. Is it still on the Internet? and if so, would you please email the address to me so I can forward it on to him? Thank you ever so much. Dell: (email address is: aoutland@a...) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13603 Re: Humble Request to Mr. Datta Robert Grabowsky Sun 5/10/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 10, 1998 4:37 am Subject: Intro To 'Nursery Rhyme' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Hi Anybody knows what the intro to 'Nursery Rhyme' on the Schmoelling CD 'Songs No Words' says? Is this talked about before. That must be German, and the only words I could understand were 'Hallo papa' and 'Bis dann tschuess'. BTW, this is a lovely track. The organ resembles that on Procol Harum's 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale'. Jeffrey ICQ no. 9326338 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13604 Re: Intro To 'Nursery Rhyme' Marcel Engels Sun 5/10/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 10, 1998 7:16 am Subject: Re:Humble Request to Mr. Datta ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky You can find them at: ftp://mirrors.aol.com/pub/music/artists/t/tangerine.dream/ I just checked them and they are still there. THE HIGHLANDER >Really-From: AOutland > > > My first experience of the power of the Internet was when a friend asked >me what I would like to see there. I, of course, chose Tangerine Dream. He >then found and printed your discography for me which I have cherished ever >since. Now, I have a friend in Australia that would also like to see it and I >cannot find it anywhere. Is it still on the Internet? and if so, would you >please email the address to me so I can forward it on to him? Thank you ever >so much. Dell: (email address is: aoutland@a...) > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 10, 1998 9:10 am Subject: Re: Intro To 'Nursery Rhyme' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' > >Anybody knows what the intro to 'Nursery Rhyme' on the Schmoelling CD 'Songs >No Words' says? Is this talked about before. That must be German, and the >only words I could understand were 'Hallo papa' and 'Bis dann tschuess'. >BTW, this is a lovely track. The organ resembles that on Procol Harum's 'A >Whiter Shade Of Pale'. His son says: Hello daddy, don't you forget to take the record from Phil Collins with you. See you. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 10, 1998 11:46 am Subject: tape tree #5, call for participation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers Tape tree #5 is now being organized! the tape list is attached below. As always, all levels of participation are welcome, even if you have nothing to trade. If you want to participate, please contact tom w. with the following info: 1) name 2) e-mail address 3) your geographical location (city, state, country -- for organizational purposes) 4) at what level you want to participate (eg source, digital branch, analog branch, leaf) what resources you have (eg: a cdr burner--if so, can you do analog->digital?; DAT cloning; analog dubbing deck or 2 MC decks; or only digital->analog [ie: CD to MC]) 5) can you provide masters, lo-gen tapes, CD/R boots, etc for this tree? you will need to either provide trade material to your source or will need to provide sufficient blank tape and an SASE for return of the tapes. Branch-branch deals should use priority mail postage. ------------------------------------------------------------ Abbreviations and Format: Month.Day.Year City (Venue) Time (Medium of original source) Original sources: Au = audience; SB = soundboard; FM, TV = broadcast; Vid. = Video; Media (self-explanatory?): MC = cassette tape; LP -= vinyl; CD; CDR; Vid = video; LD (laser disc) ------------------------------------------------------------ tree 5: (3c90s + 2c100s) --> c90#1 3.31.77 Detroit (Ford Auditorium) 103 min. (Au) MC PLUS: --> c100#1 4.4.77 Washington DC (Lisner Auditorium / WGTB-FM) 110 min. 1st gen. (FM) MC PLUS: --> c90#2 4.10.77 Montreal (Place des Arts & CHOM-FM) 109 min. (FM) MC --> c100#2 part 2s from each of the above 3 shows plus: 70-80 box set solo tracks (18 min); 70-80 Encore remixes from 70-80; Monolight / Hobo March (7' versions) (22 min); .77 OST: Pauline et L'Ordinateur 10 min. (Vid) MC PLUS: --> c90#3 7.12.77 Los Angeles (Greek Theatre) 91 min. (Au) MC (NB: for those of you following the program, .84: OST:Vision Quest has been bumped to tree #7) ... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13606 Re: tape tree #5, call for participation TWeibre361 Sun 5/10/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 10, 1998 1:19 pm Subject: Re: tape tree #5, call for participation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-05-10 07:49:35 EDT, you write: << Tape tree #5 is now being organized! the tape list is attached below. As always, all levels of participation are welcome, even if you have nothing to trade. If you want to participate, please contact tom w. with the following info: >> quick clarification: if you are currently participating in the trees and are content where you are, please do NOT contact me...you will be signed up automatically...if you are a new participant, or you want OFF the tree, then you should get in touch...also, if anyone has had any significant 'bad' experiences, please let me know... start your decks, tom w np: reggae schoolroom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 10, 1998 1:50 pm Subject: Re: Beyond The Horizon, calling it quits? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby' > If BTH is ending, what's going to happen to everyone (including myself) > that ordered a copy of Infinite Horizons? Are we still going to get them? > Hello all, Rest assured, all of you who ordered Infinite Horizons will get them. I'm awaiting an official response from Mr. Lawless to post to the list, so don't believe the hype 'til you hear it from me. -B. Kirby 'Writers are monkeys who mean' - David Foster Wallace From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 10, 1998 6:51 pm Subject: Re: TD in techno tracks.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tony Marshall >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > >'The essential mix show' (mixed by SNAP!) is one of my favourite >samplers including finitribe and leftfield. Yes, that mix is amazing, and I recommend it to anyone who likes TD! I believe it was released commercially, but I can't find it.. >Although I like DMI and II the mentioned artists do it better (IMO, you = >know?). > Loads of artists to it better. I've more or less stopped buying 'electronic' music as just about everything that's described as being like as good as TD or Schulze isn't. At least a fair portion of 'techno' does it for me..(I love the analogue synths they use) It's a shame almost all techno (or ambient/trance/hardcore/uplifting house etc) doesn't make it over to the States, as a lot of it ought to appeal to mid-period TD fans. Tony. Tony Marshall |#include ----------------------|--------------------------------------------------- My Mystery Tune Page http://www.zigzag.u-net.com/ - updating it soon! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 10, 1998 7:02 am Subject: I'm gone ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Coppens Hi people, I'll be unsubbing from the list for a while, so if anyone needs me, send mail to my personal e-mail address, Wave ~~~ ~Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 10, 1998 8:13 pm Subject: Re: Sound & vision of Hyperborea ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-04-30 01:55:17 EDT, you write: << you might envision a small part of what I see. Greg H >> Indeed I have. Allow me to add to your beautiful description. Hyperborea means 'of the far North'. It came to mean to those who live in frozen desolate lands a place where all would be warm, comfortable, pleasant; in short, paradise. Our traveller has decided to set out to seek this place knowing that if he can just keep going, keep going he'll find it; just keep going. And he does find it. As he sinks into the snow and begins to fall asleep he feels the warmth of nature's blanket covering him. His mind envisions warm fires, soft furs about his feet, wife and children holding him close. Too late he realizes paradise is what he left behind. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 10, 1998 8:23 pm Subject: FS: Prayer of Burping Cows ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' I have an original Prayer for Quiet Dreams CD for sale if anyone wants it. If you are inside the US I'm asking $20 postpaid. Email me if you care, Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13628 Re: FS: Prayer of Burping Cows jupe Tue 5/12/1998 3 KB 13629 Re: FS: Prayer of Burping Cows jupe Tue 5/12/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 11, 1998 6:29 am Subject: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JMPoer Can someone tell me something about this ST? I've never actually seen it, heard of the film or whatever its from, and until recently, never heard of it. If this is one of those subjects that everyone has grown weary of discussing, could someone e-mail me off list. Thanks. jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13618 Re: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You Sean Montgomery Mon 5/11/1998 3 KB 13620 Re: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You Alvaro Castillo Mon 5/11/1998 3 KB 13619 Re: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You Joerg Menker Mon 5/11/1998 3 KB 13621 Re: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You Plumer, Scott Mon 5/11/1998 3 KB 13622 Re: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You JMPoer Mon 5/11/1998 3 KB 13624 Re: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You Plumer, Scott Mon 5/11/1998 2 KB 13625 Re: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You JMPoer Mon 5/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 11, 1998 7:40 am Subject: goldtri mailist ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: NAdams43 can someone explain what the goldtri mail list is please, and whether its worth subscribing to,what music is on the disscussion list and how do i subscribe to it. nick np rush 2112 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13617 Re: goldtri mailist Sean Montgomery Mon 5/11/1998 3 KB 13634 Re: goldtri mailist Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Tue 5/12/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 11, 1998 12:19 pm Subject: Re: TD to look for in London? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Geir Smedsrud At 17:27 08.05.98 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Scott L. Holmes' > > >>I was curious what Tangerine Dream (or solo) I should look for, as I'll be >>in London on Tuesday. I'd rather things that are hard to get in the US >>where I live. Please make suggestions. Thanks. > >The sound tracks to Sorcerer and Heartbreakers. I can't find them anywhere. Are they out of print (or never went). > Just got Sorcerer last week in fact, and at nice price too :-), app. 16 USD. As I understood from some adds that were packaged with the CD, it was a reissue so I really do not believe it is out of print. (Do not have the details with me) Best regards; Geir Mr Geir Smedsrud Phone :74 14 83 53 N-7730 Beitstad E-mail :geirs@m... Norway Homepage:wwwstud.hint.no/~geirs/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 11, 1998 1:53 pm Subject: sedate ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Things here have been rather sedate lately...Is all the interesting stuff appearing in the IRC chat or are things just slow? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13616 Re: sedate Elias Granillo, Jr. Mon 5/11/1998 3 KB 13626 Re: sedate feldon@p... Mon 5/11/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 11, 1998 2:43 pm Subject: Re: sedate ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Michael A Jean > > Things here have been rather sedate lately...Is all the interesting stuff > appearing in the IRC chat or are things just slow? Things are kinda dead, man, kinda dead! F-a-d-i-n-ggggggggggggggg... E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 11, 1998 3:48 pm Subject: Re: goldtri mailist ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > can someone explain what the goldtri mail list is please, and whether its > worth subscribing to Ask Dano about it. ;-) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 11, 1998 3:57 pm Subject: Re: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Can someone tell me something about this ST? > > I've never actually seen it, heard of the film or whatever its from, and > until recently, never heard of it. It's a song that TD composed for the soundtrack of a German TV show called 'Tatort', which features the vocals of Ms. Chi Coltrane. The only place you're likely to find a copy of the song is on the recently released pirate recording 'Electronic Orgy'. Having said that...while I think that vocals can definitely work with TD music if done in a certain manner (Kiew Mission comes to mind)...this is not an example of it. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13620 Re: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You Alvaro Castillo Mon 5/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Joerg Menker' On 10 May 98 at 23:29, tadream mailing list wrote: [...] > ---------- Really-From: JMPoer > > > Can someone tell me something about this ST? > > I've never actually seen it, heard of the film or whatever its from, > and until recently, never heard of it. > [...] It's a ST fo the German TV crime series 'Tatort' (just like 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' etc). The singer ist Chi Coltrane. As far as I remember there a two other tracks on the CD (one being the instrumental version of 'I just ...'. Joerg +--------------------------------------------+ | Joerg Menker menker@u... | +--------------------------------------------+ | j.menker@s... | +--------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 11, 1998 4:59 pm Subject: Re: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Alvaro Castillo > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > ... > It's a song that TD composed for the soundtrack of a German TV show called > 'Tatort', which features the vocals of Ms. Chi Coltrane. The only > place you're likely to find a copy of the song is on the recently released > pirate recording 'Electronic Orgy'. > It also appears on the Mystery Tracks bootleg CD. -Alvaro From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 11, 1998 5:28 pm Subject: RE: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >It's a song that TD composed for the soundtrack of a German TV show called >'Tatort', which features the vocals of Ms. Chi Coltrane. The only >place you're likely to find a copy of the song is on the recently released >pirate recording 'Electronic Orgy'. >Having said that...while I think that vocals can definitely work with TD >music if done in a certain manner (Kiew Mission comes to mind)...this is >not an example of it. That's putting it mildly. This song is awful! It makes a nice collectible, though. It came out on 7 inch vinyl. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13622 Re: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You JMPoer Mon 5/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 11, 1998 5:41 pm Subject: RE: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JMPoer At 01:28 PM 5/11/1998 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >It's a song that TD composed for the soundtrack of a German TV >show called > >'Tatort', which features the vocals of Ms. Chi Coltrane. The >only > >place you're likely to find a copy of the song is on the >recently released > >pirate recording 'Electronic Orgy'. > > >Having said that...while I think that vocals can definitely >work with TD > >music if done in a certain manner (Kiew Mission comes to >mind)...this is > >not an example of it. > > That's putting it mildly. This song is awful! It makes a nice >collectible, though. It came out on 7 inch vinyl. > > Scott > > Thanks to all of you who replied, don't know how I missed that one...since everyone else seems to know about it., but, now I do too. Thanks again. jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 11, 1998 5:45 pm Subject: TD Videos + strk cassettes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This may be old news, but I just came across the US Miramar release of the 'Oasis' video (diff. cover than Camera One release) and the North American VHS release of 'Video Dream Mixes'. Also, does anyone need the original cassettes of 'Vision Quest' and 'The Wraith' credited to T. Dream and M. Hoenig, respectively, but dosen't feature their music? I need the original CDs ;-) Contact me off list if interested. Vic NP: Peter Baumann - Strangers in the Night From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 11, 1998 6:59 pm Subject: RE: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Thanks to all of you who replied, don't know how I missed that one...since >everyone else seems to know about it., but, now I do too. If you had my book, you'd know! :-) Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13625 Re: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You JMPoer Mon 5/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 11, 1998 7:07 pm Subject: RE: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JMPoer At 02:59 PM 5/11/1998 -0400, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >Thanks to all of you who replied, don't know how I missed that >one...since > >everyone else seems to know about it., but, now I do too. > > If you had my book, you'd know! :-) > > > Scott Book! BOOK! Book??!! You have a BOOK? Silly me. <:-]) (to save future embarrassment....please e-mail me the details off list) jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 11, 1998 7:16 pm Subject: Re: sedate ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 08:53 AM 5/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Michael A Jean > >Things here have been rather sedate lately...Is all the interesting stuff >appearing in the IRC chat or are things just slow? Haha. Actually, it would be nice to organize a time that we can meet on the IRC. The only success we've had so far have been Sunday afternoons (USA time) when about 4 people show up and talk for a few hours. What often happens is, one person joins, stays for 5 minutes, and leaves because no-one else is there to talk. I realize that Sunday afternoon would correspond with 10pm or so UK time... Let's organize a time to talk. For anyone who does not have the necessary software for this, check out http://mirc.stealth.net/ Download mIRC 5.31 (16 bit version for Windows 3.1 or AOL, and 32 bit version for Windows 95 users who are NOT using AOL), then unzip it into a folder on your hard drive and run the installer. Macintosh users, I don't have an address for you, but try www.amug.org or www.shareware.com and search for IRCLE. This is a Macintosh IRC client. #tadream is the name of the channel and it is located on the EFNET family of irc servers (irc.concentric.net is a good server). My name online is Optical1. I am always connected, but not always watching the channels. feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Record Meet Merchant Saw THE KEEP A Few Years Ago ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:43:02 -0700 >Subject: Re: sedate >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Elias Granillo, Jr. > >>Really-From: Michael A Jean >> >>Things here have been rather sedate lately... [. . .] > >Things are kinda dead, man, kinda dead! F-a-d-i-n-ggggggggggggggg... Well, here's a little pick-me-up . . . which ought to annoy Dano who thinks that his soundtrack collecting buddies are the last word in soundtrack collecting. Don't blame Scott for the following. I am re-posting it without his knowledge, blessings, and/or permission. -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Message-ID: <6DE4CF514CABD011B68D006097806D509DCE49@w...> From: Plumer, Scott To: ar402004@b... Subject: Record Roundup Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:41:01 -0400 Hey, I went to a record convention over the weekend and found. . . another lead. I talked to a guy who had LP stoundtracks and asked him if he had ever seen one for the Keep, and this is what he said, almost verbatim: 'Yeah, it's out there, but good luck finding a copy. I saw one a few years ago, guy wanted a couple hundred for it. I think only a few ever got sold, the rest were sent back before the release date and probably got recycled.' Me: 'So they were pressed?' Him: 'Yeah, but they might have been promos. That would explain why so few are around. Even if they were sold before the release date, you'd still see them around every once in while. If you find one, I'll buy it from you. I'm at every Roundup, so. . .' So, yet another lead to nowhere. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13632 Re: Record Meet Merchant Saw THE KEEP A Few Years Dan J. Schulte Tue 5/12/1998 4 KB 13633 Re: Record Meet Merchant Saw THE KEEP A Few Years Vic Rek Tue 5/12/1998 2 KB 13646 Re: Record Meet Merchant Saw THE KEEP A Few Years Michael Fox Tue 5/12/1998 2 KB 13660 Re: Record Meet Merchant Saw THE KEEP A Few Years AOutland Wed 5/13/1998 2 KB 13664 SuperCollector and Electronic Orgy Alvaro Castillo Thu 5/14/1998 3 KB 13665 Re: SuperCollector and Electronic Orgy JMPoer Thu 5/14/1998 3 KB 13668 Re: Record Meet Merchant Saw THE KEEP A Few Years Greg Heil Thu 5/14/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 1:17 am Subject: Re: FS: Prayer of Burping Cows ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jupe > ------------------ > Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > > I have an original Prayer for Quiet Dreams CD for sale if anyone wants > > it. If you are inside the US I'm asking $20 postpaid. Email me if you > care, > > Dano Dear Friend , I´m very interested in Prayer of Quiet Dreams . I have to trade various items : http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm Please visit my trade page , and If you interested in a very good trade , write me . Regards and sorry for my english , Jupe -- * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * La PAGINA de TANGERINE DREAM de JUPE http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/home.htm mailto:jupe@c... New SWAP List 3.0 Nueva Lista de CAMBIO 3.0 http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm mailto:jupe@c... Para participar en la lista en castellano TDfans introduce tu email en el icono de suscripcion que encontraras en : http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/jupe.htm ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 1:29 am Subject: Re: FS: Prayer of Burping Cows ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jupe Sorry , but the first email was for Dano , but I make reply of , and send the message to the mailing list . Sorry again. Jupe -- * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * La PAGINA de TANGERINE DREAM de JUPE http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/home.htm mailto:jupe@c... New SWAP List 3.0 Nueva Lista de CAMBIO 3.0 http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm mailto:jupe@c... Para participar en la lista en castellano TDfans introduce tu email en el icono de suscripcion que encontraras en : http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/jupe.htm ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 1:41 am Subject: Source Of The Name Tangerine Dream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mitchell Hi, Although normally just a lurker on the list, I would like to throw out another possible source for the name Tangerine Dream. Back in 1967 there was a band called 'The Lemon Pipers' that had a few top 10 singles here in the usa. One of them was a song called 'Jelly Jungle', which had a verse that went: 'In the jelly jungles of orange marmelade, there are TANGERINE DREAMS waiting for you in orange marmelade.' This verse is repeated throughout the song. I do not know who was first, but I find it amazing that TD, The Lemon Pipers, and Kalidescope (3 bands from different spots on the globe) all came up with the words 'tangerine dream' at about the same time. I wonder if there were any other occurrences. /Mitchell What If The Truth Is Not Out There... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13631 Re: Source Of The Name Tangerine Dream JMPoer Tue 5/12/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 2:26 am Subject: Re: Source Of The Name Tangerine Dream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JMPoer At 09:41 PM 5/11/1998 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Mitchell > > >Hi, > >Although normally just a lurker on the list, I would like to throw out another possible source for the name Tangerine Dream. Back in 1967 there was a band called 'The Lemon Pipers' that had a few top 10 singles here in the usa. One of them was a song called 'Jelly Jungle', which had a verse that went: > >'In the jelly jungles of orange marmelade, there are TANGERINE DREAMS waiting for you in orange marmelade.' > >This verse is repeated throughout the song. I do not know who was first, but I find it amazing that TD, The Lemon Pipers, and Kaleidoscope (3 bands from different spots on the globe) all came up with the words 'tangerine dream' at about the same time. I wonder if there were any other occurrences. > >/Mitchell >What If The Truth Is Not Out There... > Well, The word TANGERINE is used over and over in 'Lady Greengrass'. That's something of a reach, but there it is again. jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 2:43 am Subject: Re: Record Meet Merchant Saw THE KEEP A Few Years Ago ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:43:02 -0700 > >Subject: Re: sedate > >From: tadream mailing list > >Really-From: Elias Granillo, Jr. > > > >>Really-From: Michael A Jean > >> > >>Things here have been rather sedate lately... [. . .] > > > >Things are kinda dead, man, kinda dead! F-a-d-i-n-ggggggggggggggg... > > Well, here's a little pick-me-up . . . which ought to annoy Dano > who thinks that his soundtrack collecting buddies are the last word in > soundtrack collecting. Don't blame Scott for the following. I am > re-posting it without his knowledge, blessings, and/or permission. I'd have to care to be annoyed...and guess what....you guessed it...I don't care. ;-) Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 4:23 am Subject: Re: Record Meet Merchant Saw THE KEEP A Few Years Ago ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Produce or shut up I say! We don't need The Keep Topic to liven this list. I prefer Dell's nice Arctic (Hyperborea) poems, I really feel much happier then :-)) Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 11:10 am Subject: Re: goldtri mailist ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 I'm in Digest Mode these days, so apologies if this info is redundant. >Subject: goldtri mailist > >Really-From: NAdams43 > >can someone explain what the goldtri mail list is please, and whether its >worth subscribing to,what music is on the disscussion list and how do i >subscribe to it. GoldTri is a mailing list for the discussion of music which falls into the 'triangle' described by Electronic, Progressive and Instrumental. That's the 'official' plan. In reality, it's a forum to discuss e-music of most forms not covered by existing lists (tadream and space music). It's aim is to promote the work of smaller, underground and lesser-known artists rather than concentrating on the established artists (like TD, Schulze, Jarre, etc.) Thus, topics include new artists (Keller and Schonwalder, Under the Dome, FSP, Paul Lawler, etc), established 'underground' artists (Shreeve, Pickford, Boddy, Nagle, Kees Aerts, etc.), album reviews, gig reviews, etc. GoldTri also has a number of 'celebrity' members : Andy Pickford, Ian Boddy, Frank Makowski, Kees Aerts, Eric Snelders, Mike Metlay etc., as well as a number of new artists hoping/about to get into the scene : Under the Dome, FSP, Decapolis, JoxBox, etc. Recent topics have included 'How do you compose?', a discussion of the new crop of available synths and their relative pros and cons, and various reviews of the Alpha Centauri concert attended by both fans and musicians alike. To join GoldTri, send a message to majordomo@a... with subscribe goldtri OR subscribe goldtri-digest in the body. I've found the list ideal for expanding my musical horizons, and if your finding the same topics cropping up on TaDream again and agan, perhaps GoldTri can offer something different. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 2:43 pm Subject: Jerome's radio show ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: yves langlois Hi! Is there anybody inthere recorded the Jerome's radio show on February 1st (if my memory is good...) and could send me a copy please? See ya! :) Michaeel (: Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13661 Re: Jerome's radio show AOutland Wed 5/13/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 5:59 pm Subject: I bid you adieu! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dave Brewer Hi all- Well, I'm finally graduating from AZ state U. It's about damn time! Anyway, I'm gonna have to unsubscribe from the list for a while. This email account will actually remain active for another year, so I can still be reached through it. I just won't be able to check it as often as I used to. I'll probably be moving in the next coupla months (just to another part of town) and hopefully have my own computer (finally) and get a new personal account set up. But until then, I'll have to rely on the friends I've met through the list to send me reports if anything important happens! It's been really cool meeting all the people I have on this list, especially all the artistic souls with whom I've swapped music with. I hope I can meet some more people from the list in person someday as well. (Lars is the only one so far!) Well, I better go cuz it's off-topic. See y'all around and Keep Dreaming! :-) Dave B. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13654 Re: I bid you adieu! Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 5/13/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 5:53 pm Subject: TD in MST3K ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD Bought a previously viewed copy of Mystery Science Theatre 3000: The Movie and watched Mike, Crow & Tom yuk up the classic 'This Island Earth' and the mention of 'nice Tangerine Dream music' had me LOLROTF that I had to back up the tape. Pete mailto:penfold@a... http://www.artnet.net/~penfold/dev/null 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides on which instruments to take on the road. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13639 Re: TD in SNL Sean Montgomery Tue 5/12/1998 3 KB 13640 Jerome's Webpage Sean Montgomery Tue 5/12/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Sending Cash in the Mail to the Other Countries ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi, I've sent cash in the mail to England, the Netherlands, and Hong Kong without having it get intercepted, but now it seems that my letter to Canada containing a $20.00 bill still hasn't arrived after ten days. This sucks. Whenever I mail money, I take a brand-new, i.e. entirely flat, bill, and place it inside a piece of construction paper which I have trimmed to almost the exact dimensions of the envelope. Why do I use construction paper? It is entirely opaque when held up to a light. I have no idea how someone would have been able to guess what was in the envelope without having opened it--which means that it would most likely have been an inside job. 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ID Date Size 13641 Re: Sending Cash in the Mail to the Other Countri Sean Montgomery Tue 5/12/1998 3 KB 13649 Re: Sending Cash in the Mail to the Other Countri Michael Fox Tue 5/12/1998 3 KB 13650 Re: Sending Cash in the Mail to the Other Countri Mike Livsey Wed 5/13/1998 3 KB 13653 Re: Sending Cash in the Mail to the Other Countri ROGER HELLIWELL Wed 5/13/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 6:10 pm Subject: Re: TD in SNL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Bought a previously viewed copy of Mystery Science Theatre 3000: The > Movie and watched Mike, Crow & Tom yuk up the classic 'This Island > Earth' and the mention of 'nice Tangerine Dream music' had me LOLROTF In a similar vein....I recall an episode of Saturday Night Live from the 80s that featured one of their 'fake commercials'..in this case, for a horror film called 'The Fruiting'. People being chased around by fruit, and being killed horribly. Anyway, at the end of the spot, a brief credit slate was shown, and it revealed 'music by Tangerine Dream'. Well, it was funny back in 1987 when they were scoring a dozen films a year. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 6:15 pm Subject: Jerome's Webpage ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery Those of you with web access might want to go check out Jerome Froese's website, which is being updated. The new 'guitar gallery' is now online, and you can win a copy of Timesquare through the page. It's actually quite interesting...it has RealAudio clips of the songs on which each axe was used, and pictures of them being used on various tours. Oh, and you can finally see a picture of his girlfriend, Anja...if you look under her guitar, the 'Hohner Professional Strat Copy' SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 6:18 pm Subject: Re: Sending Cash in the Mail to the Other Countries ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery I wouldn't give up yet, Steve...I've sent money by mail between our nations without any problems. Bear in mind that it can sometimes take over ten days for mail between the U.S. and Canada...did you send it Priority Post? SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 6:51 pm Subject: Re: Jerome's Webpage ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-05-12 14:18:08 EDT, you write: << Those of you with web access might want to go check out Jerome Froese's website, which is being updated. >> whats the address? tom w np: em:t 0098 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13644 Re: Jerome's Webpage Sean Montgomery Tue 5/12/1998 2 KB 13652 Re: Jerome's Webpage Greg Heil Wed 5/13/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: From America to Canada ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:18:54 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: Re: Sending Cash in the Mail to the Other Countries >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >I wouldn't give up yet, Steve...I've sent money by mail between our >nations without any problems. Bear in mind that it can sometimes take >over ten days for mail between the U.S. and Canada... [. . .] I didn't know that. >[. . .] did you send it Priority Post? I dunno. I sent it First Class. Is that the same thing? Obligatory TD content: what I sent money to Canada for was for CDs of music by Tangerine Dream. (No lie; really! I actually buy CDs by that band.) -- Steven Feldman -- Steven Feldman --------------------------------------------------------------------- 'I don't give a damn on what the journalists are saying. If some dog pees at a tree, the tree won't fall down!' -- Klaus Kinski Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13647 Re: From America to Canada feldon@p... Tue 5/12/1998 3 KB 13648 Re: From America to Canada Marcel Engels Tue 5/12/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 7:26 pm Subject: Re: Jerome's Webpage ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > whats the address? http://www.netstore.de/~jvfields/ SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Jerome Bands: Quo Vadis, Die Sargtraeger, Just in Case ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi All, I took a look at Jerome's website, and on the page that has a pic of Jerome's girlfriend, Anja there was the following block of text: |This one belongs to my girlfriend Anja, and remembers me again |to my old independent days with our group called 'Just in |Case'. She did all the rhythm licks at that time, and the most |weird thing was, that this quite cheap instrument had a really |good sound (especially the clean settings). The phrase 'Just in Case' was clickable, so I clicked and went to which had this passage: |Yeah, this was my second 'Axe' (Unfortunately i don't have a |pic of the first one, but it was from the early 'Ibanez Roadstar |Series').....anyway, this 'Kramer' guitar was first time played in a |school band, called 'Quo Vadis'. A half year later, another band |was founded on another school in late 1986. With this group (no |name given) we just played cover stuff like 'Boys don't cry' |from 'The Cure' or some other titles which became popular in |the 80's. The second last use of this guitar was in a kind of |'Wave/Punk' band called 'Die Sargtraeger' (engl.The |Pallbearers). And finally, some friends and I founded a combo |called: 'Just in Case', (two guitars, bass & drums....we could not |find a good vocalist for this project, so we played instrumental |till the end!!). Sometimes, when I'm in the mood to take a look at |my old tape collection, i start listening to that stuff again (yes, |we always recorded our stuff) with a smile!!! ;-) 'Two guitars' and 'bass' were clickable. 'Two guitars' took me to the page with the picture of Anja. 'bass' took me to |This Bass Guitar is so unimportant, that i don't know why i gave |some free webspace for it......(kidding!!). Fact is, that this |instrument was never used on a TD Album, but a friend of mine |played this Bass during the decade of our strange group |days....(look 'Kramer Beretta') Clicking on 'Kramer Beretta' takes you back to the page--which I have already quoted from above. So, Jerome was in bands called Quo Vadis, Die Sargtraeger (The Pallbearers, and Just in Case, was he? Were these all pre-TD, or were any of them contemporaneous, I wonder (since Anja was in the last one, at least)? And what are the chances that Jerome named the band Just in Case just in case he didn't fit in too well with Pop's ol' band after Paul Haslinger flew the coop? ;) -- Steven Feldman --------------------------------------------------------------------- 'I don't give a damn on what the journalists are saying. If some dog pees at a tree, the tree won't fall down!' -- Klaus Kinski From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 12:13 pm Subject: Re: Record Meet Merchant Saw THE KEEP A Few Years Ago ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox If it's Monday, it must be time for another KEEP post.... At 07:30 PM 5/11/98 EDT, you wrote: If you find one, I'll buy it >from you. I'm at every Roundup, so. . .' Mike (humming Don Quixote again) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 9:07 pm Subject: Re: From America to Canada ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... >>[. . .] did you send it Priority Post? > > I dunno. I sent it First Class. Is that the same thing? 'First Class' is a 32 cent stamp, which can take 1 day or 150 days. Priority Mail is $3 within the US Global Priority Mail is $3.75 to Canada and more to other countries. hey, I ship a lot... Morgan feldon@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13648 Re: From America to Canada Marcel Engels Tue 5/12/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 9:49 pm Subject: RE: From America to Canada ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: feldon@p... > > 'First Class' is a 32 cent stamp, which can take 1 day or 150 days. > > Priority Mail is $3 within the US > > Global Priority Mail is $3.75 to Canada and more to other countries. It's about $8,- here in the Netherlands. waay too expensive. So you can guess what I pay for post/package for my CDs. yes, over $10,- only for packaging the damn things. Ah well........who said life was easy he? Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 4:38 pm Subject: Re: Sending Cash in the Mail to the Other Countries ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 01:58 PM 5/12/98 EDT, you wrote: > I've sent cash in the mail to England, the Netherlands, and Hong >Kong without having it get intercepted, but now it seems that my letter >to Canada containing a $20.00 bill still hasn't arrived after ten days. Cheer up, Bucko. A video I sent to someone in Ca took 3 weeks to get there. I'd heard they've had a problem with the mails. Any of you folk-to-da-North add anything here? Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13650 Re: Sending Cash in the Mail to the Other Countri Mike Livsey Wed 5/13/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 13, 1998 6:17 am Subject: Re: Sending Cash in the Mail to the Other Countries ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Tue, 12 May 1998 16:38:33, you wrote: >Really-From: Michael Fox > > >At 01:58 PM 5/12/98 EDT, you wrote: > >> I've sent cash in the mail to England, the Netherlands, and Hong >>Kong without having it get intercepted, but now it seems that my letter >>to Canada containing a $20.00 bill still hasn't arrived after ten days. > >Cheer up, Bucko. A video I sent to someone in Ca took 3 weeks to get there. >I'd heard they've had a problem with the mails. Any of you folk-to-da-North >add anything here? > >Mike > It has to do with the US/Canadian exchange rate. We're 40% slower up here... -- Mike Livsey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 12, 1998 11:56 pm Subject: Out of the mouths of babes... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all- 'I know, that 'Rockoon' is NOT one of the most liked TD Albums but there are still a lot of good moments on it, some of you guys will never be able to hear!!! (I want my Moog-bob-a-wooba, and i want back my $19.74)' -Jerome Froese ROTFLMAO!! 8D 'Nuff said! goozer (who just might have to add this as my sig file...) --------------------------------------------------- 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has blurred.' --------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13655 Re: Out of the mouths of babes... Sean Montgomery Wed 5/13/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 13, 1998 12:44 am Subject: Re: Jerome's Webpage ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > whats the address? > > http://www.netstore.de/~jvfields/ Love the pics too! Especially the Ovation 6 String guitar that has a pic of Edgar playing it during the 'Force Majeure' session. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 13, 1998 1:49 am Subject: Re: Sending Cash in the Mail to the Other Countries ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'ROGER HELLIWELL' >Cheer up, Bucko. A video I sent to someone in Ca took 3 weeks to get there. >I'd heard they've had a problem with the mails. Any of you folk-to-da-North >add anything here? > >Mike > A crisp American 20, is worth about 95 bucks up here... Roger From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 13, 1998 6:49 am Subject: Re: I bid you adieu! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 10:59 AM 5/12/1998 -0700, DB wrote: > >Well, I'm finally graduating from AZ state U. It's about damn time! >Anyway, I'm gonna have to unsubscribe from the list for a while. This Congrats, Dave, for graduating. And keep on my making more beautiful music like 'Down the Road.' When you get your account set-up, don't forget to subscribe to GoldTri, too. Your fellow musicians are there for you. Good luck and inspiring Muses to you. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 13, 1998 2:50 pm Subject: Re: Out of the mouths of babes... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > (I want my Moog-bob-a-wooba, and i want back my $19.74)' -Jerome > Froese I wonder if this is a double-entendre (the price of a disk, as well as the year 1974, when 'Phaedra' was released)? SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 13, 1998 3:41 pm Subject: Trade: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: WSenfflebe Hello, I would like swap my maxi cd I Just Want to rule...... if there is interest, so let me know -please not tapes- wolfgang wsenfflebe@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 13, 1998 7:02 pm Subject: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Hmmm...I think it is much nicer this way... although, I'm a little perplexed as to why the Roland GR 500 Guitar synth didn't show up. All the stuff from the time we all thought was done on that thing (Cyclone, Force Majeure, maybe even Stuntman?) is attributed to that white Les Paul instead. also...why DOES TD need so many guitars? It seems to me that, no matter what axe he's got in his hands, Edgar always manages to coax a certain kind of sound out of it--c'mon, we can all (or should be able to by now) smell an Ed Froese guita miles away. Jerome always has his own distinctive sound too, no matter what the make. (though he hasn't been playing much lately). Given that this is so, why buy umpteen dozen guitars when you can make your statement with less than half that number? People will know it's them, no matter what guitar they are playing. True, a number of these do make certain advancements in technology (i.e. MIDI-capable) and improved manufacturing, but I mean, Edgar's sound has pretty much stabilized since the mid '80s. Why does he need any more? This brings me to a second point: many of these axes seem grossly underutilized. Some of them, like the Hamer Sunburst (GOD I LOVE THAT ONE) have a truly distinctive sound, and are associated with a single time period and style in TD's history, and no other. Others, like the Paul Reed Smith, in spite of some great capabilities and potential, seemed to keep the band's attention for about a year or so, and then lie forgotten. Why can't they find one or two they really enjoy, have good sound and respond well, and stick with 'em? (well, it is their money...up to them on how they want to spend it) and lastly... anybody taken a look at the revised entry for the Hamer Sunburst? (do I win brownie points? for being right? for actually being noticed?) Gabe a man who still thinks that the next time TD tours NA, Edgar should play the solo for 'Homeless' on the Hamer Sunburst. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13659 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Michael Fox Wed 5/13/1998 3 KB 13662 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Gabe Yedid Wed 5/13/1998 3 KB 13663 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Brian E. Kirby Wed 5/13/1998 3 KB 13666 Re: Jerome's guitar page... JMPoer Thu 5/14/1998 4 KB 13683 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Michael Fox Thu 5/14/1998 4 KB 13686 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Gabe Yedid Thu 5/14/1998 6 KB 13706 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Michael Fox Fri 5/15/1998 4 KB 13713 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Gabe Yedid Sat 5/16/1998 5 KB 13720 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Michael Fox Sun 5/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 11, 1998 7:27 pm Subject: midi files ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'DATMECHANIK' can anyone help me find td midi files dav303@m... -----Original Message----- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Date: 10 May 1998 21:40 Subject: Re: Sound & vision of Hyperborea >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: AOutland > > >In a message dated 98-04-30 01:55:17 EDT, you write: > ><< you might envision a small part of what I see. > > Greg H > >> > Indeed I have. Allow me to add to your beautiful description. Hyperborea >means 'of the far North'. It came to mean to those who live in frozen desolate >lands a place where all would be warm, comfortable, pleasant; in short, >paradise. Our traveller has decided to set out to seek this place knowing that >if he can just keep going, keep going he'll find it; just keep going. And he >does find it. As he sinks into the snow and begins to fall asleep he feels the >warmth of nature's blanket covering him. His mind envisions warm fires, soft >furs about his feet, wife and children holding him close. Too late he realizes >paradise is what he left behind. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 13, 1998 3:20 pm Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 03:02 PM 5/13/98 -0400, Gabe wrote: >also...why DOES TD need so many guitars? Gabe, you must not play guitar.;-) I, unfortunately, play keys and guitar. Balancing the two interests $$-wise, is a real drag![1] >This brings me to a second point: Why can't they find one or two they really enjoy, have good >sound and respond well, and stick with 'em? >(well, it is their money...up to them on how they want to spend it) Answered your own question--refer to [1] Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13662 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Gabe Yedid Wed 5/13/1998 3 KB 13663 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Brian E. Kirby Wed 5/13/1998 3 KB 13666 Re: Jerome's guitar page... JMPoer Thu 5/14/1998 4 KB 13683 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Michael Fox Thu 5/14/1998 4 KB 13686 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Gabe Yedid Thu 5/14/1998 6 KB 13706 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Michael Fox Fri 5/15/1998 4 KB 13713 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Gabe Yedid Sat 5/16/1998 5 KB 13720 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Michael Fox Sun 5/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 13, 1998 9:28 pm Subject: Re: Record Meet Merchant Saw THE KEEP A Few Years Ago ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-05-12 00:24:28 EDT, you write: << I prefer Dell's nice Arctic (Hyperborea) poems, I really feel much happier then :-)) >> Thanks Vic, but don't forget to give credit to Greg Heil too. I simply built upon his vision. 8-) Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13664 SuperCollector and Electronic Orgy Alvaro Castillo Thu 5/14/1998 3 KB 13665 Re: SuperCollector and Electronic Orgy JMPoer Thu 5/14/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 13, 1998 9:35 pm Subject: Re: Jerome's radio show ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-05-12 10:48:31 EDT, you write: << Is there anybody inthere recorded the Jerome's radio show on February 1st (if my memory is good...) and could send me a copy please? >> Ditto for me; I signed up for a copy back then but never heard anything more. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 13, 1998 10:15 pm Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 13 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Michael Fox > > > At 03:02 PM 5/13/98 -0400, Gabe wrote: > > >also...why DOES TD need so many guitars? > > Gabe, you must not play guitar.;-) Quite correct. I'm a wind player. > I, unfortunately, play keys and guitar. > Balancing the two interests $$-wise, is a real drag![1] But you're not Tangerine Dream ;). > >This brings me to a second point: Why can't they find one or two they > really enjoy, have good > >sound and respond well, and stick with 'em? > >(well, it is their money...up to them on how they want to spend it) > > Answered your own question--refer to [1] > > Mike > That has to be the most recursive answer I've ever received. And it still doesn't answer my original question. Why buy so many, going through one or two heavily used ones a year, if any given one is flexible enough to give you the sound you want every time? And knowing that a guitar can be rebuilt for a new sound (as Edgar did with the Japanese Fender Strat used on _Underwater Sunlight_ and _Tyger_)? And chew on this: why is it that TD, world's most reknowned synth band and still heavy on guitar after all these years, has never invested in systems like the Roland VG-8? You'd think that such a machine would open WORLDS of possibilities for TD, yet we have never heard such a device put to work by them (yet). Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13663 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Brian E. Kirby Wed 5/13/1998 3 KB 13666 Re: Jerome's guitar page... JMPoer Thu 5/14/1998 4 KB 13683 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Michael Fox Thu 5/14/1998 4 KB 13686 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Gabe Yedid Thu 5/14/1998 6 KB 13706 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Michael Fox Fri 5/15/1998 4 KB 13713 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Gabe Yedid Sat 5/16/1998 5 KB 13720 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Michael Fox Sun 5/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 13, 1998 6:52 pm Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby' > And it still doesn't answer my original question. Why buy so many, going > through one or two heavily used ones a year, if any given one is flexible > enough to give you the sound you want every time? To paraphrase from Geddy Lee in the 'Hold Your Fire' tour program: 'One guitar is too much, and a thousand aren't enough.' -B. Kirby 'Writers are monkeys who mean' - David Foster Wallace From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 13, 1998 11:13 pm Subject: SuperCollector and Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Alvaro Castillo Two months ago I orderer EO from SC and this is the time that I haven't received it. I have e-mailed to SC but still no answer, last time they told me they were waiting for it to arrive (a 1st. of april, by the way). Any of you have dealt with SC? Do they take this long? Any other sources in case of a rip-off? Dan? Thanks in advance. -Alvaro. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13665 Re: SuperCollector and Electronic Orgy JMPoer Thu 5/14/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 13, 1998 11:40 pm Subject: Re: SuperCollector and Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JMPoer At 07:13 PM 5/13/1998 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Alvaro Castillo > > > >Two months ago I orderer EO from SC and this is the time that I >haven't received it. I have e-mailed to SC but still no answer, last time >they told me they were waiting for it to arrive (a 1st. of april, by the >way). Any of you have dealt with SC? Do they take this long? Any other >sources in case of a rip-off? Dan? > >Thanks in advance. > >-Alvaro. I have dealt with them many times and never had any problems. They MAY BE having problems getting the set now. After all, it's not exactly kosher...and Jerome did express a 'bit' of animosity to the producers. It may have gone a bit deeper underground. I feel safe in saying that if they CAN get it, they'll send it to you. They are reputable. However, unless you can get hold of Dave Minton, they might be the only GOOD source. jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 13, 1998 11:43 pm Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JMPoer At 06:15 PM 5/13/1998 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Gabe Yedid >On Wed, 13 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > >> Really-From: Michael Fox >> >> >> At 03:02 PM 5/13/98 -0400, Gabe wrote: >> >> >also...why DOES TD need so many guitars? >> >> Gabe, you must not play guitar.;-) > >Quite correct. I'm a wind player. > >> I, unfortunately, play keys and guitar. >> Balancing the two interests $$-wise, is a real drag![1] > >But you're not Tangerine Dream ;). > >> >This brings me to a second point: Why can't they find one or two they >> really enjoy, have good >> >sound and respond well, and stick with 'em? >> >(well, it is their money...up to them on how they want to spend it) >> >> Answered your own question--refer to [1] >> >> Mike >> > >That has to be the most recursive answer I've ever received. >And it still doesn't answer my original question. Why buy so many, going >through one or two heavily used ones a year, if any given one is flexible >enough to give you the sound you want every time? And knowing that a >guitar can be rebuilt for a new sound (as Edgar did with the Japanese Fender >Strat used on _Underwater Sunlight_ and _Tyger_)? > >And chew on this: why is it that TD, world's most reknowned synth band >and still heavy on guitar after all these years, has never invested in >systems like the Roland VG-8? You'd think that such a machine would >open WORLDS of possibilities for TD, yet we have never heard such a >device put to work by them (yet). > Gabe, Maybe they just like to collect guitars. People collect all kinds of weird things. I, for example, collect recordings of Tangerine Dream. So, you never know. >Gabe > > jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 13, 1998 11:09 pm Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > And chew on this: why is it that TD, world's most reknowned synth band > and still heavy on guitar after all these years, has never invested in > systems like the Roland VG-8? You'd think that such a machine would > open WORLDS of possibilities for TD, yet we have never heard such a > device put to work by them (yet). > > > Gabe I think TD has become quite commited to a certain brand of synth. I believe the quastion was asked about equipment and they said they solely use one brand. And knowing how TD feels about Japanese equipment, they'll never be using Yamaha or Akai equipment--I find this kind of sad, because a band that has pioneered the use of so much electronic music and has used so many instruments made all over the world, shouldn't be so limited on what synths they use today. I always thought the joy of getting new instruments helped TD crank out the releases they have, today, the ability to create any sound is possible--which is kind of overwhelming, especially when TD knew analog like a violinist knew his violin. Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13669 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Gabe Yedid Thu 5/14/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 14, 1998 5:01 am Subject: Re: Record Meet Merchant Saw THE KEEP A Few Years Ago ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: AOutland > > > In a message dated 98-05-12 00:24:28 EDT, you write: > > << > I prefer Dell's nice Arctic (Hyperborea) poems, I really feel much happier > then :-)) > >> > Thanks Vic, but don't forget to give credit to Greg Heil too. I simply > built upon his vision. 8-) Dell Thanks Dell! Maybe we can make a project and pick a TD track and come up with some visual ideas to coincide with the music! I'll confess, the first one was easy for me--I could do a long one for 'Tangram', but that would be open to incredible amounts of different interpretation. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 14, 1998 6:17 am Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 13 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > And chew on this: why is it that TD, world's most reknowned synth band > > and still heavy on guitar after all these years, has never invested in > > systems like the Roland VG-8? You'd think that such a machine would > > open WORLDS of possibilities for TD, yet we have never heard such a > > device put to work by them (yet). > > > > > > Gabe > > I think TD has become quite commited to a certain brand > of synth. I believe the quastion was asked about equipment > and they said they solely use one brand. Which brand? Since when? How does this explain the recurrent appearance of preset sounds that various members on this list have identified as coming from Yamaha, Roland, and Korg synths? All Japanese-based companies, if I'm not mistaken? I know they have recently taken to using a lot of gear from Quasimidi, but I find it impossible to believe that they would let everything else fall by the wayside, particularly machines like the JD-800. > And knowing how > TD feels about Japanese equipment, they'll never be using > Yamaha or Akai equipment--I find this kind of sad, because > a band that has pioneered the use of so much electronic > music and has used so many instruments made all over the > world, shouldn't be so limited on what synths they use today. And I say that should apply to the axes as well. I think the question should be, not whether or not they have become committed to a certain brand of synth, as far as this goes, but whether they have become committed to a certain style of playing. Compared to, say, Ozric Tentacles, I really don't think TD's use of guitar electronics in their music has ever been THAT imaginative. > I always thought the joy of getting new instruments helped > TD crank out the releases they have, today, the ability to > create any sound is possible--which is kind of overwhelming, I agree. So much so, that, for the past 10 years at least, TD has NOT been taking the time to really learn and exploit their instruments to their full potential. In the case of the DX7...I could understand :). But once everything acquired the 'universal language' of MIDI, I really don't think there was any excuse (is it that TD simply don't understand MIDI and the whole computer approach to synth usage half as well as they think they do?). If it meant taking an extra year to figure out the box's quirks and capabilities, before using it on an album, so be it, if it meant a truly high-quality product, both in composition and execution. > Greg H. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 14, 1998 4:56 am Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > I think TD has become quite commited to a certain brand > of synth. I believe the quastion was asked about equipment > and they said they solely use one brand. And knowing how > TD feels about Japanese equipment, they'll never be using > Yamaha or Akai equipment--I find this kind of sad, because > a band that has pioneered the use of so much electronic > music and has used so many instruments made all over the > world, shouldn't be so limited on what synths they use today. Doesn't TD endorse Korg now? Endorsements = lots of free gear. TD aren't being *trapped,* they're juts caging themselves in. It sure explains the decline of their music, unless they shock the everlovin' shit out of us and 'Lion's Share' blows the roof off the world of modern electronic music, hahahah!!! Don't worry, Greg, there's lots of good music out there!!! E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 14, 1998 7:50 am Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 11:17 PM > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > On Wed, 13 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > > > > > > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > Which brand? Since when? How does this explain the recurrent appearance of > preset sounds that various members on this list have identified as coming from > Yamaha, Roland, and Korg synths? All Japanese-based companies, if I'm > not mistaken? I know they have recently taken to using a lot of gear > from Quasimidi, but I find it impossible to believe that they would let > everything else fall by the wayside, particularly machines like the JD-800. > You're right Gabe, this was the list (1996) I could find from the TD website. I swear I thought I read somewhere that TD exclusively played a certain brand of synths--maybe it was Oberheim. Roland Jupiter 8 analog polysynth Roland Jupiter 6 analog polysynth Korg T1 Kurzweil K2000 Roland D70, JD 800 with numerous rack- mounted modules, including a Korg Wavestation; Waldorf Wave; Oberheim Matrix 1000; Oberheim Xpander; tuning stabilized MiniMoogs; Yamaha TX816; various E-mu Proteus; Roland MKS70; Roland U220; Akai S 3200 Quasimidi Quasar, JV 1080; Control Synthesis Deep Bass Nine MIDI- and CV-controlled single-space rack-mount monophonic analog synth module I think TD should invest into a good percussion/drum synth, although the percussion on 'Rising Haul in Silence' is pretty cool :) > > And I say that should apply to the axes as well. I think the question > should be, not whether or not they have become committed to a certain > brand of synth, as far as this goes, but whether they have become > committed to a certain style of playing. Compared to, say, Ozric > Tentacles, I really don't think TD's use of guitar electronics in their > music has ever been THAT imaginative. If you ask me, it's pretty hard to tell apart one guitar from the next. I think the guitar work in 'Tyrrany' is very good, but the stuff in 'Goblin's Club' seemed tacked on. The acousic guitar work done in 'Firetounges' never got me going.. maybe it was too fast and messy. > I agree. So much so, that, for the past 10 years at least, TD has NOT > been taking the time to really learn and exploit their instruments to > their full potential. In the case of the DX7...I could understand :). > But once everything acquired the 'universal language' of MIDI, I really > don't think there was any excuse (is it that TD simply don't understand MIDI > and the whole computer approach to synth usage half as well as they think > they do?). If it meant taking an extra year to figure out the box's quirks > and capabilities, before using it on an album, so be it, if it meant a truly > high-quality product, both in composition and execution. I think the MIDI structures the composition too much. The less structure, the more life the music takes into it, this really works well with the guitar work on 'Coldwater Canyon.' I think TD understands MIDI, but I don't think MIDI fits well with TD's style of music, except in maybe the techno 'Dream Mix' style. > > Greg H. > > Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13676 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Gabe Yedid Thu 5/14/1998 5 KB 13678 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Marcel Engels Thu 5/14/1998 3 KB 13679 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Marcel Engels Thu 5/14/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 14, 1998 6:16 am Subject: Re: SuperCollector and Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Alvaro Castillo > > Two months ago I orderer EO from SC and this is the time that I > haven't received it. I have e-mailed to SC but still no answer, last time > they told me they were waiting for it to arrive (a 1st. of april, by the > way). Any of you have dealt with SC? Unless you are dealing with me....yes...they can be very late and lazy when dealing with orders...particulary emusic related stuff since that was my area....but as you know I have left the company to work on my publishing (comics & music)...so best of luck with their erratic service. Do they take this long? Any other > sources in case of a rip-off? Dan? Well, I don't think you got ripped off. When I left we were totally out of them and they hadn't been reordered because of private reasons. I would call them directly & tell them the problem (ask for John). I believe I even saw your order awaiting product on our hold shelf....so rest assured...your order will be processed as soon as the Orgies arrive....IF they get more. Keep calling them to find out what's up. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 14, 1998 12:58 pm Subject: RE: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >also...why DOES TD need so many guitars? > Don't forget: there are guitars owned by three people on that page. Jerome, Ed & Zlatko. By way of comparison, Robert Fripp has hundreds of guitars, included one that Jimi Hendrix set fire to. Fripp plays it, too. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 14, 1998 12:54 pm Subject: search EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lambert Ringlage I'm looking for the CD 'Edgar Froese - Epsilon In Malaysian Pale' at a low price. Who can help? Maybe we can exchange anything. email: lambert.ringlage@u... Lambert Ringlage messings garten 7 D-45147 Essen Germany phone/fax: (0)201-733018 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Flemming Larsen Greg Heil >I think TD has become quite commited to a certain brand >of synth. I believe the quastion was asked about equipment >and they said they solely use one brand. And knowing how >TD feels about Japanese equipment, they'll never be using >Yamaha or Akai equipment-- That's funny. I've seen them use a lot of AKAI samplers with my own eyes. Could it be that you're not quite right in your knowledge ;-) Goblins Club has the higest rate of sample use on ANY TD album. So I think they are usning whatever kind of samplers they can get their hands on. AKAI, Yamaha, Roland or even EMU. At two concerts less then six months between (Shepard's Bush 96 and Hamburg 97) I noticed that they switched their synth setup completely. They went from a primary setup of Alesis Quadrasynth and Kurzweil K2500, to a primary Quasimidi Raven + a couple I couldn't make out. The funny thing is that the sound remained more of less the same at both concerts. I wonder if that had something to do with all the AKAI samplers in the background + the harddisk recording systems on their onstage computers ;-) In fact......how much do they ACTUALLY play live ?? I don't think they feel anything particular about any special brand of synth or sampler. They are using whatever they want, or the kind of products that the sponsors of the concerts or the tours are willing to pay them to use ;-) Flemming. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 14, 1998 4:39 pm Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 14 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > From: tadream mailing list > > To: tadream@c... > > Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... > > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 11:17 PM > > > -- > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > > > > On Wed, 13 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > > > > > > > > > > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > I think TD should invest into a good percussion/drum > synth, although the percussion on 'Rising Haul in Silence' > is pretty cool :) How 'bout the Korg WaveDrum? ;) > If you ask me, it's pretty hard to tell apart one guitar from the next. Precisely my original point. Ergo, my question about why they need so many. > I think the guitar work in 'Tyrrany' is very good, but the stuff in > 'Goblin's Club' seemed tacked on. The acousic guitar work done > in 'Firetounges' never got me going.. maybe it was too fast and messy. As played by Gradwohl and Hornby at London '96, yes. There's a world of difference between what they did with it and what Zlatko does with it. > > I agree. So much so, that, for the past 10 years at least, TD has NOT > > been taking the time to really learn and exploit their instruments to > > their full potential. In the case of the DX7...I could understand :). > > But once everything acquired the 'universal language' of MIDI, I really > > don't think there was any excuse (is it that TD simply don't understand > MIDI > > and the whole computer approach to synth usage half as well as they think > > > they do?). If it meant taking an extra year to figure out the box's > quirks > > and capabilities, before using it on an album, so be it, if it meant a > truly > > high-quality product, both in composition and execution. > > I think the MIDI structures the composition too much. The less structure, > the more life the music takes into it, this really works well with the > guitar work on 'Coldwater Canyon.' Not the example I would have picked...this piece still impresses me as being one of TD's most absolutely 'robotic' pieces of all time. > I think TD understands MIDI, but I don't think MIDI fits well with TD's > style of music, except in maybe the techno 'Dream Mix' style. It has probably been pretty much dictating their style since 1988, if not earlier. The first Dream Mixes, at least, while it still used a lot of recognizable General MIDI sounds, was free of that absolutely structured feel present on all their albums since _Optical Race_; a DJ friend of mine, while he admitted he didn't think it was great as techno, really liked that more plastic, 'organic' approach to composition, and had to listen to it a few times through before convincing himself it wasn't real-time improv. Having listened through _TimeSquare_ a few times now, I'd say that this *isn't* true of that album, except maybe in 'Digital Sister' and the title track. It just doesn't come off as being as much 'fun' as DM1, it's like they treated it as more of an intellectual exercise. > > > Greg H. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 13, 1998 11:07 pm Subject: Co-Efficient Setlist ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marek Mastalerz' Hallo everybody - it's Marek The Alienist again. Could anyone give me the track listing of 'Coefficient of Aural Expansion' (both parts)? How does it compares to 'Phaedream' CD? - I mean, if the titles for the same pieces are different, what stands for what? BTW: Does anyone have a spare copy of 'The Man Inside' CD, pretty purrlease? Marek the Alienist Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13682 Re: Co-Efficient Setlist Marcel Engels Thu 5/14/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 14, 1998 4:57 pm Subject: RE: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > I think the MIDI structures the composition too much. The less structure, > the more life the music takes into it, this really works well with the > guitar work on 'Coldwater Canyon.' > I think TD understands MIDI, but I don't think MIDI fits well with TD's > style > of music, except in maybe the techno 'Dream Mix' style. You make as weird music as you want with MIDI. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 14, 1998 4:57 pm Subject: RE: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > You're right Gabe, this was the list (1996) I could find from the TD > website. > I swear I thought I read somewhere that TD exclusively played a certain > brand of synths--maybe it was Oberheim. > > Roland Jupiter 8 analog polysynth > Roland Jupiter 6 analog polysynth > Korg T1 > Kurzweil K2000 > Roland D70, JD 800 with numerous rack- mounted modules, including a > Korg Wavestation; > Waldorf Wave; > Oberheim Matrix 1000; > Oberheim Xpander; > tuning stabilized MiniMoogs; > Yamaha TX816; > various E-mu Proteus; > Roland MKS70; > Roland U220; > Akai S 3200 > Quasimidi Quasar, > JV 1080; > Control Synthesis Deep Bass Nine MIDI- and CV-controlled single-space > rack-mount monophonic analog synth module Well I certainly can't hear this equipment on their latest releases. Man, so many wondeful instruments and producing so many average albums these days???? How is it possible to make albums like Tyranny or whatever with these kind of instruments? Now I take my hat of for mr. Froese for that :-)) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 14, 1998 4:13 pm Subject: TD to sell or trade ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: joelm@b... Hi everyone! I have a few TD & related CDs I am considering selling or trading. 1. AMBIENT-3 cd box set collectors edition/limited edition picture discs of FROESE-AQUA, SCHULZE-TIMEWIND, ASHRA-BLACKOUTS condition- mint, still sealed in original packing 2. TANGERINE DREAM-THE ANALOGUE SPACE YEARS- Remastered, 2 Gold disc set w/poster condition- mint, still sealed in original packing 3. TANGERINE DREAM-THE DREAM MIXES-2 cd import condition- selling either 1. mint, still sealed OR 2. opened, no scratches or scuffs 4. TANGERINE DREAM-DREAM SEQUENCE-2 cd import condition- selling either 1. mint, still sealed OR 2. opened,few light hairline scratches (they were there when I bought it used, it does not effect playability or sound quality) 5. TANGERINE DREAM-NEAR DARK (I have the Silva Screen disc & Varese Sarabande disc) condition- opened, no scratches or scuffs Iam willing to buy any below or fair trade for any above. TANGERINE DREAM- SBM- EXIT SBM- STRATOSFEAR SBM- FORCE MAJEURE SBM- CYCLONE TYRANNY OF BEAUTY-CD SINGLE W/BONUS TRACK TYGER (1991-RELATIVITY) AMBIENT MONKEYS TIMESQUARE LIMITED EDITION WORLD TOUR 1997 TOWARDS THE EVENING STAR THE STORY OF TANGERINE DREAM (DOUBLE) THE KEEP 1997 KLAUS SCHULZE- DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG 1 DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG 2 DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG 3 TRANCELATION IN BLUE (2CD) BABEL SILENCE AND SEQUENCE BODY LOVE VOL. 2 INTERFACE EDGAR FROESE- ELECTRONIC DREAMS SOLO 1974-1979 AGES (DOUBLE) EPSILON IN MALAYSIA PALE MACULA TRANSFER HOENIG/GOTTSCHING- EARLY WATER MICHAEL HOENIG- XCEPT ONE PETER BAUMANN- ROMANCE 76 TRANS HARMONIC NIGHTS PHASE BY PHASE I also have many more I need, but due to space I only listed a few. Let me know if you have anything you want to get rid of, I may need it. Please send lists in e-mail form as I am currently having problems opening up some spread sheets and attachments. THANK YOU ALL! Joel mullen From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 14, 1998 5:22 pm Subject: RE: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Rich Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > I think the MIDI structures the composition too much. The less structure, > the more life the music takes into it, this really works well with the > guitar work on 'Coldwater Canyon.' > I think TD understands MIDI, but I don't think MIDI fits well with TD's > style > of music, except in maybe the techno 'Dream Mix' style. MIDI structure is purely down to the way that the music is recorded. If it is a live MIDI 'recording' of a performance, then it will reflect the way the music was originally played. If TD want to produce a piece of music that uses a driving sequence of notes, then that is their choice. If they want to play a piece of classical piano which sounds completely 'live' and 'genuine' then that is also their choice. Back in the 60's and 70's, analogue synths used C.V and Gate controllers to sequence music in a similar fashion to MIDI (although a whole lot more unreliable and cumbersome). You must realise that TD have changed their style to reflect modern instruments and whilst a lot of the recent releases have sounded like they use what appear to be primarily 'preset' sounds, it is patently obvious that Edgar, Jerome and the like have created and chosen their preferred soundset and used that to produce their tunes. As Marcel mentions, you can programme MIDI in exactly the way you wish. I think that the point most of the list members are trying to make is the transition of TD from primarily Analogue to Digital synths. That is the big difference that has affected the sound of TD - it is a more clinical sound rather than the organic classics like Rubycon, etc. Craig Rich You make as weird music as you want with MIDI. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 14, 1998 6:11 pm Subject: RE: Co-Efficient Setlist ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Marek Mastalerz' > > > Hallo everybody - it's Marek The Alienist again. > Could anyone give me the track listing of 'Coefficient of Aural Expansion' > (both parts)? How does it compares to 'Phaedream' CD? - I mean, if the > titles for the same pieces are different, what stands for what? > BTW: Does anyone have a spare copy of 'The Man Inside' CD, pretty > purrlease? Here's the complete tracklist from CoAE pt. 1 :-) Coefficient of Aural Expansion 60:45 phew all that typing! 2 Tracks on pt. 2 (I believe it doesn't have titles) The difference between CoAE and Phaedream is that CoAE is much better quality then Phaedream (but it has got that extra Neuronium track). Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... (can't help you with The Man Inside, cause thats a period from TD I just don't want to know) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 14, 1998 12:24 pm Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 06:15 PM 5/13/98 -0400, Gabe wrote: >That has to be the most recursive answer I've ever received. Thank you.[1]......refer to [1] >And it still doesn't answer my original question. Why buy so many, going >through one or two heavily used ones a year, if any given one is flexible >enough to give you the sound you want every time? I think it boils down to Ed being a guitar player before he decided to spend more time on KB's. A lot of guitarists like to collect and own many different brands/styles/models of guitars. They all have their own unique quirks and sounds. I don't think it has anything to do with having that ONE axe you play on the road forever--Ed used that White Paul for quite awhile. Tastes change over time--same with the synths--they don't use those bulky modulars' anymore, either...hmm.maybe they should;-). It's just nice to have a small (or large) arsenal to pick from. Hell, I'd love to hear Zlatko use some big fat-body for a change--that Steinbarger is starting to wear a bit thin for me--and I used to own one. >And chew on this: why is it that TD, world's most reknowned synth band >and still heavy on guitar after all these years, has never invested in >systems like the Roland VG-8? You'd think that such a machine would >open WORLDS of possibilities for TD, yet we have never heard such a >device put to work by them (yet). I haven't messed with a guitar synth in some time, but the ones I played had serious trouble following string bends and whammy bar dive bombs. I'm sure technology has improved, maybe they haven't found the right unit yet--or don't care to. I've played a VG-8 and it's a monster--you can get a helluva lot of different sounds out of it; maybe just not their cup of tea--or they've given Z-man the reigns to the guitar section (too bad, IMHO) and he doesn't dig it. For me, I like the idea of a 'pure' guitar sound over the top of that synth-brew....not another electro-mush guitar sound that could also be a KB. All MHO. Cheers, Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13686 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Gabe Yedid Thu 5/14/1998 6 KB 13706 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Michael Fox Fri 5/15/1998 4 KB 13713 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Gabe Yedid Sat 5/16/1998 5 KB 13720 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Michael Fox Sun 5/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 14, 1998 8:12 pm Subject: TD Bibliography ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' The response to my request has been overwhelming! TWO PEOPLE RESPONDED! I sincerely thanks the two guys that did respond, but the rest of you should be ashamed! _None_ of you have any articles, reviews, etc., that you clipped from your local papers? Come on! This isn't for my book, this is for my web page, which is accessible to all. Come on, people, give me some information! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 14, 1998 10:54 pm Subject: tape tree ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: MiqSk8 has anyone heard from chris chouinard? his email is not getting through, so i was wondering if anyone has heard from him. please email me privately. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 14, 1998 10:57 pm Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 14 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Michael Fox > > > At 06:15 PM 5/13/98 -0400, Gabe wrote: > > >That has to be the most recursive answer I've ever received. > > Thank you.[1]......refer to [1] You're a master, aren't you? ;) > >And it still doesn't answer my original question. Why buy so many, going > >through one or two heavily used ones a year, if any given one is flexible > >enough to give you the sound you want every time? > > I think it boils down to Ed being a guitar player before he decided to > spend more time on KB's. A lot of guitarists like to collect and own many > different brands/styles/models of guitars. They all have their own unique > quirks and sounds. I don't think it has anything to do with having that ONE Now, there's no way somebody like me could know that, except in a very few cases. The Hamer Sunburst (3 guesses as to what my favourite TD axe is) does indeed have such a sound (especially as treated by Edgar), but from 86-90, all those axes sound, to me, like slight variations on a basic sound that could easily be attributed to different pickups and effects boxes; otherwise, I would have NO idea there were something like 3 or 4 different guitars that Ed played during this time. > axe you play on the road forever--Ed used that White Paul for quite awhile. If I bought a reasonably good guitar (imagining I could play it), I would use it and use it until the fretboard was worn totally flat and even the world's best guitar technicians told me 'Sorry man, this thing's beyond re-stringing'. > Tastes change over time--same with the synths--they don't use those bulky > modulars' anymore, either...hmm.maybe they should;-). It's just nice to > have a small (or large) arsenal to pick from. Hell, I'd love to hear Zlatko > use some big fat-body for a change--that Steinbarger is starting to wear a > bit thin for me--and I used to own one. He does...generally he uses one of the Ibanezes, doesn't he? Yet another case where, regardless of the axe, it's the same basic sound every time--but instead of Ed's distinctive howl, you get the pseudo-Satriani we all know and love. Which seems to support my argument that the axe doesn't matter--it's what you hook it up to that makes all the difference. > >And chew on this: why is it that TD, world's most reknowned synth band > >and still heavy on guitar after all these years, has never invested in > >systems like the Roland VG-8? You'd think that such a machine would > >open WORLDS of possibilities for TD, yet we have never heard such a > >device put to work by them (yet). > > I haven't messed with a guitar synth in some time, but the ones I played > had serious trouble following string bends and whammy bar dive bombs. If that's so, maybe it took Ed only about a year to destroy his GR 500 beyond repair ;) > I'm > sure technology has improved, maybe they haven't found the right unit > yet--or don't care to. I've played a VG-8 and it's a monster--you can get a > helluva lot of different sounds out of it; maybe just not their cup of > tea--or they've given Z-man the reigns to the guitar section (too bad, > IMHO) and he doesn't dig it. I wouldn't think he does (or could), personally. But you'd think at least Edgar or Jerome would give it a chance, especially since Edgar has used such beasts in the past...which is maybe why he doesn't anymore ;). >For me, I like the idea of a 'pure' guitar sound over the top of that >synth-brew....not another electro-mush guitar sound that could also be a >KB. All MHO. I dunno...Ozric Tentacles in particular has a talent for getting a very electronic sound that is still recognizable as a guitar, and they 'morph' it VERY well, so that in blends in quite seamlessly with the other synth-based goings-on in their music. Could you imagine 'Hamlet' as done with a setup by Ed Wynne? > Cheers, > Mike Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13706 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Michael Fox Fri 5/15/1998 4 KB 13713 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Gabe Yedid Sat 5/16/1998 5 KB 13720 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Michael Fox Sun 5/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 12:20 am Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-05-14 03:49:14 EDT, you write: << I swear I thought I read somewhere that TD exclusively played a certain brand of synths--maybe it was Oberheim. >> Don't know if this helps or not since I have no clue what you guys are talking about when it comes to instruments, but in the recent chat with TD they were asked by jowers: Do you guys endorse any instruments besides Steinberg? and the answer was NO. So, I guess that means they do endorse Steinberg. So, what is a Steinberg? 8-) Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13689 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Gabe Yedid Fri 5/15/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 2:26 am Subject: VA: New Visions - Celestial Voyagers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I know someone mentioned something about this release about two months ago, but here are the details: VA (Various Artists): New Visions - Celestial Voyagers US Rhino R2 75266, 1 CD, 1998 It's quiet interesting to see the Rhino label delving into 'new age'. Tangerine Dream: Touchwood (track 12) The artists in order: Jonn Serrie, Suzanne Ciani, Tim Wheater, Mike Oldfield, Iasos, Vangelis, Clanned, Patrick O'Hearn, Kevin Braheny, Michael Sterns, Ed Van Fleet, Tangerine Dream, Constance Demby, Richard Burmer, Brian Eno, Steven Halpern. Has a nice foldout booklet with a write-up on each artist and a message from Greenpeace about recycling ;-) OK you diehards, here's another one... Vic At 01:50 PM 5/10/98 +0000, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby' > > >> If BTH is ending, what's going to happen to everyone (including myself) >> that ordered a copy of Infinite Horizons? Are we still going to get them? >> >Hello all, > >Rest assured, all of you who ordered Infinite Horizons will get them. >I'm awaiting an official response from Mr. Lawless to post to the >list, so don't believe the hype 'til you hear it from me. > >-B. Kirby > > >'Writers are monkeys who mean' - David Foster Wallace > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 3:05 am Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 14 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: AOutland > > > In a message dated 98-05-14 03:49:14 EDT, you write: > > << I swear I thought I read somewhere that TD exclusively played a certain > brand of synths--maybe it was Oberheim. > >> > Don't know if this helps or not since I have no clue what you guys are > talking about when it comes to instruments, but in the recent chat with TD > they were asked by jowers: Do you guys endorse any instruments besides > Steinberg? and the answer was NO. So, I guess that means they do endorse > Steinberg. So, what is a Steinberg? 8-) Dell Mmm, that's a bit different. Steinberg are the manufacturers of their MIDI/sequencing software package, Cubase. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 4:14 am Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: AOutland > > > In a message dated 98-05-14 03:49:14 EDT, you write: > > << I swear I thought I read somewhere that TD exclusively played a certain > brand of synths--maybe it was Oberheim. > >> > Don't know if this helps or not since I have no clue what you guys are > talking about when it comes to instruments, but in the recent chat with TD > they were asked by jowers: Do you guys endorse any instruments besides > Steinberg? and the answer was NO. So, I guess that means they do endorse > Steinberg. So, what is a Steinberg? 8-) Dell Thanks Dell!! I knew I heard them say that somewhere, thanks for finding that interview! Does this mean they only use Steinberg instruments? Probably not, does it mean they will only buy Steinberg in the future? Possibly. Seems kind of an odd statement to make. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 4:15 am Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... > Date: Thursday, May 14, 1998 9:39 AM > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > It has probably been pretty much dictating their style since 1988, if not > earlier. The first Dream Mixes, at least, while it still used a lot of > recognizable General MIDI sounds, was free of that absolutely structured > feel present on all their albums since _Optical Race_; a DJ friend of > mine, while he admitted he didn't think it was great as techno, really > liked that more plastic, 'organic' approach to composition, and had to > listen to it a few times through before convincing himself it wasn't > real-time improv. Having listened through _TimeSquare_ a few times now, > I'd say that this *isn't* true of that album, except maybe in 'Digital > Sister' and the title track. It just doesn't come off as being as much > 'fun' as DM1, it's like they treated it as more of an intellectual exercise. > > > Gabe As some others have said, the big change came with digital synths, but that's not the absolute reason why TD is the way they are today. It is mainly by choice, that TD wants to structure every single segment of their music--it's kind of like having a sequencer drive everything to a computer precise standard--which I think to an extent what MIDI allows on a recording basis. One could say 'Oh, lets put this sound through the entire song, exactly at 5 second intervals.' Then MIDI can do that--it can be weird, of course, it can even make no sense. It terribly reminds me of a game I had for my Super Mintendo called 'Mario Paint' where one with a mouse can drop icons on a scrolling musical carpet, click play, set tempo, and voila a musical preset masterpeice. I know that's too simple, but I thought it was funny anyway. The real change was in composition, tracks are shorter, there are drums, percussion, guitars, exotic vocals, keyboard presets, and an overall less emphasis on atmosphere. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 4:25 am Subject: TD Sound-Alikes? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' I bought a CD called 'Trip Through Sound' --Blue Room Released. I bought this because on the back, a group called KoxBox did a song called 'Stratosfear' - 10:25 I popped this thing in and thump thump thump.. no no.. some weird voices.. then thump thump thump. I really dunno if this is some kind of tribute. Anyone heard of X-Dream? They are on here too. I guess this could be a returner... I wish I wasn't tricked so easily! Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13693 Re: TD Sound-Alikes? Craig Rich Fri 5/15/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 7:24 am Subject: RE: TD Sound-Alikes? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Rich I've got CD's by Redshift, Radio Massacre International and Airsculpture - all of which have fantastic classic mid to late 70's TD style sequences. They are all excellent and highly recommended. Craig. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Really-From: 'Greg Heil' I bought a CD called 'Trip Through Sound' --Blue Room Released. I bought this because on the back, a group called KoxBox did a song called 'Stratosfear' - 10:25 I popped this thing in and thump thump thump.. no no.. some weird voices.. then thump thump thump. I really dunno if this is some kind of tribute. Anyone heard of X-Dream? They are on here too. I guess this could be a returner... I wish I wasn't tricked so easily! Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 8:51 am Subject: RE:tadream-digest V16 #281 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: J.Peschke@s... >Subject: TD Sound-Alikes? >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' >I bought a CD called 'Trip Through Sound' --Blue Room Released. >Anyone heard of X-Dream? They are on here too. X-Dream/Blue Room samplers are known for 'Goa Trance', a substyle of Elecronica/Techno. It´s not exactly TD sound alike. ;-) >I guess this could be a returner... I wish I wasn't >tricked so easily! LOL, hopefully you´ve learned a lot. Greg, you don´t need to buy everythink with Tangerine Dream on its label, I bet if someone would call his new CD Tangerine Dream, hundrets of TD fans would buy it, even if it´ll be a stinker, just for the damn! name on the cover. BTW, would there be interest in a remix/rework of an old Edgar Froese track ? Kind Regards Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13698 Re: tadream-digest V16 #281 Gabe Yedid Fri 5/15/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 11:02 am Subject: Re: search EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Stephen Yensen >Really-From: Lambert Ringlage > >I'm looking for the CD 'Edgar Froese - Epsilon In Malaysian Pale' >at a low price. > >Who can help? Er, I didn't think it was available in ANY format, at ANY price, or does someone know something I don't? Steve. NP: Rick Wakeman - Six Wives of Henry VIII Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13699 Re: search EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE JMPoer Fri 5/15/1998 3 KB 13768 Re: search EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE Neal McAuley Wed 5/20/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 1:47 pm Subject: TD sighting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I was looking through a catalog last night from a company called 'Fingerhut.' In it they had some sort of electro-plasma globe device for sale. They had three models, each of a different color. The orange one was called. . . Tangerine Dream! They also had a purple one called Midnight Oil. The third wasn't a band name. Cherry something. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 1:46 pm Subject: Infinite Horizons Arrives! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean My CD arrived yesterday..looks interesting, nice cover and selection: Perhaps I can provide a ful list in the future, but a few TD-reklated highlights include: Chris Franke 'Metaphonic Chronicles' 7.42 (1998) Michael Hoenig 'The Vertical Rotating Horizon (live)' 7.13 (1994) Johannes Schmoelling 'Lamentation of an Ancient Tree' 8.08 (1997) MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 4:10 pm Subject: RE:tadream-digest V16 #281 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 15 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > >Subject: TD Sound-Alikes? > > >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > >I bought a CD called 'Trip Through Sound' --Blue Room Released. > > >Anyone heard of X-Dream? They are on here too. > > BTW, would there be interest in a remix/rework of an old Edgar Froese track > ? > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Jens > Uh, what are you trying to tell us Jens? Is this your work? Depends which track...if it's something from _Ages_, I'm likely to take a pass on it... Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 4:24 pm Subject: Re: search EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JMPoer At 12:02 PM 5/15/1998 +0100, you wrote: >Really-From: Stephen Yensen > > >>Really-From: Lambert Ringlage >> >>I'm looking for the CD 'Edgar Froese - Epsilon In Malaysian Pale' >>at a low price. >> >>Who can help? > >Er, I didn't think it was available in ANY format, at ANY price, >or does someone know something I don't? > >Steve. > It WAS available on Virgin (#CDV2040). I don't know if it's STILL available....but I have a copy :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 4:28 pm Subject: Celestial Voyages ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JMPoer Today I found a copy of 'New Vision: Celestial Voyages' on Rhino (R272566). It has ONE cut by TD: 'Touchwood', as well as 15 other cuts by Burmer, Serrie, Ciani, Oldfield, O'hearn, etc. Is this the 'ASTRAL VOYAGES' that I saw mentioned several weeks ago here or yet another compilation with VOYAGES as part of the name. Anybody know? Thanks. jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Mindless Fanboy Prattle re Rhino's New Age Comp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:26:00 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: VA: New Visions - Celestial Voyagers >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Vic Rek > >VA (Various Artists): New Visions - Celestial Voyagers >US Rhino R2 75266, 1 CD, 1998 > >It's quiet interesting to see the Rhino label delving into 'new age'. Well, at least they demonstrated a fair amount of good taste in a much-maligned bunch of genres. Thank God their is no Yawni or Enya, but I would've liked to have seen Andreas Vollenweider on the compilation. >Tangerine Dream: Touchwood (track 12) For folk unfamiliar with TD, this is a particularly good choice: superficially, it is an upbeat, almost poppy, but subliminally spacey tune, but underneath, it is almost as trippy as THE DREAM MIXES' 'Change of the Gods.' Good move, Rhino! :) >The artists in order: >Jonn Serrie, Yes, yes, great, excellent. Err, but it depends on the track. ;) >Suzanne Ciani, Again, it depends on the track, but she can be quite good. IMHO, the best tracks on the last KLEM CD were by Ciani and Patrick Kosmos. >Tim Wheater, Who's he? >Mike Oldfield, Iasos, Vangelis, Groan. Of these three, I am only unfamiliar with Iasos. I have heard brief pieces in New Age stores, but that's it. >Clanned, [Clannad?] Feh. Enya by any other name is still Enya. ;) >Patrick O'Hearn, Kevin Braheny, Michael Sterns, Ah, good. >Ed Van Fleet, Eh, not so good. (Syncrestra is no major e-music contender) >Tangerine Dream, Well, duh! >Constance Demby, Depends on the track. >Richard Burmer, Brian Eno, Nice to see these two back-to-back. ;) >Steven Halpern. Hope it's something decent. Quite often, Halpern is guilty of being one of New Age's most stereotypical and deserving-of-vitriol exponents, but he can turn out good stuff (like stuff he's done with Dallas Smith and Susan Mazer). >Has a nice foldout booklet with a write-up on each artist and a message >from Greenpeace about recycling ;-) Without a longbox, what is there to recycle in a CD? The shrink wrap? Well, there's the paper inserts, but most people keep those. ;) -- Steven Feldman --------------------------------------------------------------------- 'I don't give a damn on what the journalists are saying. If some dog pees at a tree, the tree won't fall down!' -- Klaus Kinski Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13704 Re: Mindless Fanboy Prattle re Rhino's New Age Co Plumer, Scott Fri 5/15/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: When You Change the Subject, Change the Header! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steen Feldman >Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:01:00 -0700 >Subject: Re: Record Meet Merchant Saw THE KEEP A Few Years Ago >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Greg Heil > >>Really-From: AOutland >> >>In a message dated 98-05-12 00:24:28 EDT, you write: >> >>> I prefer Dell's nice Arctic (Hyperborea) poems, I really feel much >>>happier then :-)) >> >> Thanks Vic, but don't forget to give credit to Greg Heil too. I >>simply built upon his vision. 8-) Dell > >Thanks Dell! > >Maybe we can make a project and pick a TD track and come up with some >visual ideas to coincide with the music! I'll confess, the first one >was easy for me--I could do a long one for 'Tangram', but that would >be open to incredible amounts of different interpretation. > >Greg H. Jeepers Crow! Can we try to change the headers in our replies so that when a posting is a complete waste of time for most(?) people, the rest of us can delete it without having to peek at the contents? Just as there are those who think THE KEEP is a subject that is a complete waste of time, there are those who think poetry and suchlike is about as apropos a discussion of an all-instrumental band as would a gearhead discussion of the Greatful Dead! Sheesh. Golly jeepers, I guess I plumb went and blew my chances with all (or is that both?) the female subscribers here. They'll never think of me as cyber-eligible again. Boo hoo. ;) Ah, me. X-o -- Steven Feldman --------------------------------------------------------------------- 'I don't give a damn on what the journalists are saying. If some dog pees at a tree, the tree won't fall down!' -- Klaus Kinski From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Since Eddie 'n' Jerry Read the Guestbook Entries . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:15:00 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... >To: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > >And chew on this: why is it that TD, world's most reknowned synth band >and still heavy on guitar after all these years, has never invested in >systems like the Roland VG-8? You'd think that such a machine would >open WORLDS of possibilities for TD, yet we have never heard such a >device put to work by them (yet). Sounds like a good question to pose in the TD website Guestbook. I mean, Edgar and Jerome supposedly read much of what is posted there. (I wonder how much of *our* blather is inspected, though?) -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | | 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not a testament to nonexistence' -- S.F. | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13707 Re: Since Eddie 'n' Jerry Read the Guestbook Entr Gabe Yedid Fri 5/15/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 6:45 pm Subject: RE: Mindless Fanboy Prattle re Rhino's New Age Comp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >much-maligned bunch of genres. Thank God their is no Yawni or Enya, but Hey, I like Enya! >I would've liked to have seen Andreas Vollenweider on the compilation. Talk about a new age hack! > >Suzanne Ciani, Saw her for free at Borders, then talked to her afterwards. She's real good! >>Clanned, [Clannad?] > Feh. Enya by any other name is still Enya. ;) Grrr! Clannad is a lot more strictly Celtic. Enya's Celtic-inspired new age. Sorry, my Pagan side's showing. >>Has a nice foldout booklet with a write-up on each artist and a message >>from Greenpeace about recycling ;-) > Without a longbox, what is there to recycle in a CD? The shrink >wrap? Well, there's the paper inserts, but most people keep those. ;) Perhaps if you break the jewel case and need to replace it? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 6:51 pm Subject: Re: When You Change the Subject, Change Steven ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD At 14:11 19980515- EDT, tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Steen Feldman Who's Steen? > Golly jeepers, I guess I plumb went and blew my chances with all >(or is that both?) the female subscribers here. They'll never think of >me as cyber-eligible again. Boo hoo. ;) Ah, me. X-o serves you right. I should be so lucky. My fiancee happens to like TD (never heard of them till she met me), having no idea of what their back catalogue of music is like; pulls a CD at random sometimes to go to sleep with. I like it 'cause it's just karmically cool to listen to TD without letting your 'personal' favourite override your decision. /^\ | PENFOLD | mailto:penfold@a... | http://www.artnet.net/~penfold/dev/null | | YA .semi-random.sig.quote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 12:32 pm Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 06:57 PM 5/14/98 -0400, Gabe wrote: but >from 86-90, all those axes sound, to me, like slight variations on a >basic sound that could easily be attributed to different pickups and >effects boxes; I'm really just putting my thoughts into Edgar here, but a lot of us 'older' pickers prefer simply a good guitar, maybe a little effects and an amp opposed to a gazillion effects. There's a ton of excellent equipment out there, for sure, I just have a gut feeling EF likes his 'the old fashioned' way. >If I bought a reasonably good guitar (imagining I could play it), I would >use it and use it until the fretboard was worn totally flat and even the >world's best guitar technicians told me 'Sorry man, this thing's beyond >re-stringing'. Oh, you're right about that! I've got a 56 Telecaster that is on it's third fret job, but the other guitars I own are just as important..i.e., the Tele sounds nothing like my Gibson 335 (hollow body) so it depends what you're doing. Sometimes I only use one for a project, others, I'll take the lot with me. > >He does...generally he uses one of the Ibanezes, doesn't he? You're probably right, I've only seen the 220V vid to get a look. >Yet another case where, regardless of the axe, it's the same basic sound >every time--but instead of Ed's distinctive howl, you get the >pseudo-Satriani we all know and love. We all know the sound...some of us think it's getting long in the tooth. Which seems to support my argument >that the axe doesn't matter--it's what you hook it up to that makes all >the difference. I differ with you on this. Yes, with all the racks and boxes you can approximate the sound of another guitar, but you know it ain't the real thing! Also depends on what you like, some swear by Fender, some Gibson, some by others. I'd still like to see EF take a swing at the type of stuff he did years gone by. Like Count Basie sez, ' It isn't how many notes you play, it's the space in-between.' (I paraphrase). Mike Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13713 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Gabe Yedid Sat 5/16/1998 5 KB 13720 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Michael Fox Sun 5/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 8:13 pm Subject: Re: Since Eddie 'n' Jerry Read the Guestbook Entries . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 15 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > >Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:15:00 -0400 (EDT) > >Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... > >To: tadream mailing list > >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > >And chew on this: why is it that TD, world's most reknowned synth band > >and still heavy on guitar after all these years, has never invested in > >systems like the Roland VG-8? You'd think that such a machine would > Sounds like a good question to pose in the TD website Guestbook. > I mean, Edgar and Jerome supposedly read much of what is posted there. > (I wonder how much of *our* blather is inspected, though?) > > -- Steven Feldman Why, thank you so much for the idea Steven. I'll get on it ASAP. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 8:30 pm Subject: Jerome axe page ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Just saw this on Jerome's guitar page: Hey Gabe, Your presumption was absolutely correct. Thanks man. Of course, i immediately examined our photograph archive. And of course, i found a couple of pics from that tour. I guess they do read our comments! Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13712 Re: Jerome axe page Gabe Yedid Sat 5/16/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 9:25 pm Subject: Welcome Lambert Ringlage! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' Sheesh, if none of you other guys picked up on this from his post for 'Ypsilon In Malaysian Pale'... (I hope he saw the 'for trade' list that came out shortly after his post that had it in there. At least that's where it was in digest mode...) Welcome, Lambert! I have enjoyed all of the music that I have heard from you over the years, both solo and with Steven Parsick (favorite is probably 'Dimension Of Dream'). What do you have in the works, as the latest I have heard of yours is a few years old. It is nice to have you here and you may want to try subscribing to the Gold Tri mailing list; it deals more with musicians deserving to be heard, such as yourself and fans of their music. E-mail me privately if you are interested in joining in... 'Gold Tri, the e-mail list for TD fans when they grow up'... >:-) (ducking and running, laughing hysterically!!) ========================================= Craig A. Shipley craigs@s... Siemens-Nixdorf ITSN 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (770) 242-9374 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ========================================= From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 16, 1998 1:45 am Subject: Re: What Chance? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-05-15 14:26:37 EDT, you write: << Golly jeepers, I guess I plumb went and blew my chances with all (or is that both?) the female subscribers here. They'll never think of me as cyber-eligible again. Boo hoo. ;) Ah, me. X-o -- Steven Feldman -- >> Gee, did you really think you had a chance to begin with? Point taken about changing the subject, but let's keep the discussions gender unspecific if you don't mind. The enjoyment of poetry or scenario visioning has nothing to do with male/female. For your information, the other half of this discussion is male. X-o yourself. 8-( Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 16, 1998 2:39 am Subject: Grow up? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' >'Gold Tri, the e-mail list for TD fans when they grow up'... >:-) (ducking >and running, laughing hysterically!!) Well, I don't think I'll ever grow up then, but besides, you must be kidding Craig :-) You still can't runaway from TD on that list either, but I like another description you once used about that list being the place for recovering TD-aholics. I've checked into that clinic as well along with a few more fans from this list too, but I still see myself reaching for that TD CD over and over again... Vic (chasing and throwing rotten eggs and tomatoes :-)) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 16, 1998 2:47 am Subject: Re: Jerome axe page ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 15 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > Just saw this on Jerome's guitar page: > > > Hey Gabe, > > Your presumption was absolutely correct. > Thanks man. Of course, i immediately > examined our photograph archive. And of > course, i found a couple of pics from that > tour. > > I guess they do read our comments! > > > Scott ;) Well, I never posted that on the guestbook pages...I sent my guess directly to the TD Office, with a big ATTN JEROME in the subject line. Tried it again today, concerning the VG-8, GR-500, and what guitar Edgar used for 'Magic Lantern'. Gabe NP: Redshift--_Ether_ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 16, 1998 3:02 am Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 15 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Michael Fox > > > At 06:57 PM 5/14/98 -0400, Gabe wrote: > but > >from 86-90, all those axes sound, to me, like slight variations on a > >basic sound that could easily be attributed to different pickups and > >effects boxes; > > I'm really just putting my thoughts into Edgar here, but a lot of us > 'older' pickers prefer simply a good guitar, maybe a little effects and an > amp opposed to a gazillion effects. There's a ton of excellent equipment > out there, for sure, I just have a gut feeling EF likes his 'the old > fashioned' way. That hasn't completely stopped him from modifying his sound. You have the more 'psychedelic' '70s sound (generally from one of the Gibsons, usually the Les Pauls), the unique early '80s 'Thief' sound (Hamer Sunburst), the more 'cultured', slightly howly mid-late-80s sound (from various axes), and the more wawa-heavy early '90s sound (the 'little white Steinberger' from 'Hamlet'). So it's not like he NEVER changes, but just that a change in equipment doesn't always translate into a very big difference in the sound, depending on how it is set up. > > >If I bought a reasonably good guitar (imagining I could play it), I would > >use it and use it until the fretboard was worn totally flat and even the > >world's best guitar technicians told me 'Sorry man, this thing's beyond > >re-stringing'. > > Oh, you're right about that! I've got a 56 Telecaster that is on it's third > fret job, but the other guitars I own are just as important..i.e., the Tele > sounds nothing like my Gibson 335 (hollow body) so it depends what you're > doing. Sometimes I only use one for a project, others, I'll take the lot > with me. That's a bit different...sounds like you collect *antiques*. ;) > > > > >He does...generally he uses one of the Ibanezes, doesn't he? > > You're probably right, I've only seen the 220V vid to get a look. > > >Yet another case where, regardless of the axe, it's the same basic sound > >every time--but instead of Ed's distinctive howl, you get the > >pseudo-Satriani we all know and love. > > We all know the sound...some of us think it's getting long in the tooth. And nobody has ever accused Ed of this... ;) > Which seems to support my argument > >that the axe doesn't matter--it's what you hook it up to that makes all > >the difference. > > I differ with you on this. Yes, with all the racks and boxes you can > approximate the sound of another guitar, but you know it ain't the real > thing! That is probably the biggest knock one could bring against the VG-8. > Also depends on what you like, some swear by Fender, some Gibson, > some by others. I'd still like to see EF take a swing at the type of stuff > he did years gone by. Like Count Basie sez, ' It isn't how many notes you > play, it's the space in-between.' (I paraphrase). I'm not sure what you mean...personally I don't miss the 'psychedelic' sound at all; I much prefer the sounds from the '80s--especially the Hamer Sunburst ;) ;). Though, it is questionable how well some of these sounds would suit their current output--I'd love to hear 'Homeless' on the Sunburst, but trying to hear it in my head, and actually exposing my ears to that, could be two very different things. > Mike Gabe So what's your favourite TD guitar sound? I leave you 3 guesses as to mine... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13720 Re: Jerome's guitar page... Michael Fox Sun 5/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 16, 1998 5:45 am Subject: CDs for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) Hi all, Pardon the interruption, but I'm selling the following cds - trying to reduce my collection somewhat. They are all US$8 each. However, if you buy more than one, the second one is $7, the third and thereafter is $6 each. For instance - 3 cds will be $8 + $7 + $6 or $21. All are in very good condition. Shipping is included. Again, only US dollars. Please e-mail me privately if interested. Ashra - Correlations Ashra - Belle Alliance Bas B. Broekhuis - Escher Drawings Mark Dwane - Angels, Aliens and Archetypes Enten Hitti - Giant Clown of the Solar Wind (Amplexus full length cd) Eno - Thursday Afternoon Todd Fletcher - Star Global Communications - Remotion Greg Klamt - Fluxus Quo Liquid Mind - Ambience Minimus Peter Mergener - Passage in Time Mind Over Matter - In Seach of Eternity Frank Quasar - Force of Nature Frank Quasar - Infinity Frank Quasar - Atmos Raison D'etre - Enthralled by the Wind of Loneliness Robert Schroeder - TimeWaves Software - Electronic Universe Part 1 Software - Electronic Universe Part 2 Software - Space Design Vidna Obmana - The Transcending Quest (Amplexus 3') Richard Wahnfried - Time Actor Richard Wahnfried - Tonwelle Richard Wahnfried - Trancelation Stephan Whitlan - Map Reference Thanks, Larry Smith TheSmitter@j... _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13716 Re: CDs for sale Capel Martyn Sat 5/16/1998 3 KB 16569 CDs for sale Thomas Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB 22605 CDs for sale PhilPDX@a... Wed 5/24/2000 3 KB 29517 CDs for sale -=brian=- Sun 10/14/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 15, 1998 11:17 pm Subject: Celebrity ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' > Really-From: Lambert Ringlage Blimey... another 'famous' dude turns up! We'll be rivalling Goldtri for Star Quality soon. :-) Love your stuff. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 16, 1998 7:42 pm Subject: Re: CDs for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn) >Ashra - Belle Alliance >Larry Smith >TheSmitter@j... > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > Hello, I'm interested in Belle Alliance, please let me know if you still have it for sale. Martyn Capel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 16, 1998 10:26 pm Subject: albums for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: NAdams43 pardon the intrusion into the latest conflab, i have for sale the 2 following albums if anyone is interested. tangerine dream = dont walk dream now live 78 double lp in tin box andy pickford = valhalla cdr please e mail me off list if interested regards nick From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 16, 1998 11:17 pm Subject: New trade list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: jupe I update my Homepage of TD and my trade list : http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm Items of : Neuronium , Michel Huygen , Cosmic Jokers , Tangerine Dream , Shroeder , Bernd Kistenmacher , S. Reich, Ashra , Harald Grossskopf, M. Hoenig , Kitaro , Aviador Dro ......... Regards Jupe * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * La PAGINA de TANGERINE DREAM de JUPE http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/home.htm mailto:jupe@c... New SWAP List 3.0 Nueva Lista de CAMBIO 3.0 http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm mailto:jupe@c... Para participar en la lista en castellano TDfans introduce tu email en el icono de suscripcion que encontraras en : http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/jupe.htm ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 16, 1998 11:42 pm Subject: 120 Years of E-Music History ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' This wonderful site contains great general information about every electronic musical instrument from 1876 to 1990 with pictures and links to extra, more specific information about each instrument. http://www.obsolete.com/120_years Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13721 Re: 120 Years of E-Music History Elias Granillo, Jr. Sun 5/17/1998 3 KB 13722 Re: 120 Years of E-Music History Greg Heil Sun 5/17/1998 3 KB 13723 Re: 120 Years of E-Music History Elias Granillo, Jr. Sun 5/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 16, 1998 6:09 pm Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 11:02 PM 5/15/98 -0400, you wrote: >That's a bit different...sounds like you collect *antiques*. ;) Antiques, eh, you whippersnapper!;-) Naw, I just like dem older guitars. I've had a couple of newer ones but I keep reaching for the old wood. > >So what's your favourite TD guitar sound? Well, while a gazillion notes a minute is fine, I prefer the Norseman's sound pick a year..any year) to Zlatko, just my taste. >I leave you 3 guesses as to mine... Lessee...... Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 17, 1998 6:38 am Subject: Re: 120 Years of E-Music History ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > This wonderful site contains great general > information about every electronic musical instrument > from 1876 to 1990 > with pictures and links to extra, more specific > information about each instrument. > > http://www.obsolete.com/120_years owned one. I hate(d) that schmuck (yeah, I spell it with a *c*). unsubscribe schmuck-digest E-Maverick From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 17, 1998 7:12 am Subject: Re: 120 Years of E-Music History ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > > This wonderful site contains great general > > information about every electronic musical instrument > > from 1876 to 1990 > > with pictures and links to extra, more specific > > information about each instrument. > > > > http://www.obsolete.com/120_years > > owned one. I hate(d) that schmuck (yeah, I spell it with a *c*). > > unsubscribe schmuck-digest > > E-Maverick E-Man, Are you getting the better half of your scratch and spray deoderant? heh.. Darn.. my fingers have become obsolete! Well I guess I can't talk anymore--and the damn machine dosn't take well to spoken words.. please.. please Papaya, write words on the screen for me! N.P: El Lasso--'Gravy Train' yeeeeeeeeha! Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 17, 1998 8:30 am Subject: Re: 120 Years of E-Music History ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > > This wonderful site contains great general > > > information about every electronic musical instrument > > > from 1876 to 1990 > > > > > owned one. I hate(d) that schmuck (yeah, I spell it with a *c*). > > > > unsubscribe schmuck-digest > > E-Man, > > Are you getting the better half of your scratch and spray > deoderant? heh.. Darn.. my fingers have become obsolete! Whoops! That message should have read: 'Ah...a Casio CZ-101. I knew someone in high school who... (rest of post). Hehe...and Greg, acknowledge that email I sent ya! Shhh! Hehe... E-Mote From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 17, 1998 1:57 pm Subject: New TD CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Wouter Bessels Hi Tadremers, Just read the info that a new TD CD, called 'Vixen', will be released on June the 8th on TDI. It seems that we'll have (again) a wonderful summer this year ! I haven't got any other info about it, the official webpage hasn't been updated since the 23rd of April. Any other news known about this new CD ?? Best wishes, Wouter PS. Tape trees 1 & 2 are successfully treed here in Europe. How about starting the discussions within a couple of weeks ?? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13725 Re: New TD CD Francisco Salgado C. Sun 5/17/1998 3 KB 13726 Re: New TD CD Gerry Fox Sun 5/17/1998 3 KB 13906 Re: New TD CD Philip Meyer Sat 5/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 17, 1998 4:48 pm Subject: Re: New TD CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: Wouter Bessels > PS. Tape trees 1 & 2 are successfully treed here in Europe. How about > starting the discussions within a couple of weeks ?? Not 100%. At least me have not heard a single second of those tapes. ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 17, 1998 9:17 pm Subject: Re: New TD CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gerry Fox' Me neither ! Gerry ---------- > From: tadream mailing list > To: tadream@c... > Subject: Re: New TD CD > Date: 17 May 1998 17:48 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > > > Really-From: Wouter Bessels > > > PS. Tape trees 1 & 2 are successfully treed here in Europe. How about > > starting the discussions within a couple of weeks ?? > > Not 100%. At least me have not heard a single second of those tapes. > > ---Francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13906 Re: New TD CD Philip Meyer Sat 5/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 17, 1998 2:00 pm Subject: RE: Computer equipment for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mwhite@n... HEWLETT PACKARD 233MHZ MMX PENTIUM COMPUTER $400, SONY 17' TRINITRON MONITOR $220, TOSHIBA MMX NOTEBOOK COMPUTER $750, QUANTUM FIREBALL 3.2GB HARD DRIVE $70,USROBITICS 56K MODEM $60 As an Internet user and avid computerist, you've probably wished there was a way to obtain computer equipment at very reasonable prices compared to what you're paying now. 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Full details can be found at this web site: http://www.ntec.net P.S. I saw your post in the newsgroup and thought you might be interested. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13744 Re: Computer equipment for sale Plumer, Scott Tue 5/19/1998 2 KB 13762 Re: Sonambulistic Imagery feldon@p... Wed 5/20/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 18, 1998 2:04 am Subject: TD Friends ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Dear Dreamers, Since it's kind of quiet on this list, maybe some of us should introduce ourselves to others and this list. Many friendships have been made this way. This could also be a good time to mention special meetings with Tadream list members that you may have had or are seeking. I've met 7 members from this list in 4 different countries. Each meeting has been interesting and fun (and always a great experience). This of course doesn't include the numerous people I communicate via e-mail, fax, and by voice on the telephone. So please tell us something about yourself. I'm sure everyone's got a good story... One almost non-meeting stands out when I set a date to meet with Peter Stoeferle in Warsaw Poland (he is from Germany and I am from Georgia, USA). There was some mis-communication as to the time to meet. And worst of all, I picked a landmark to meet by which just got torn down because they were building a subway underneath it! So dismayed I walked around the Polish crowd looking for Peter, then... I see a woman approach me and look me over. I wonder, then she points me at Peter and he's sporting a little tag with my name. Well, we made the almost impossible meeting over a cool beer in the old town square in Warsaw. President Clinton was giving a speech one square over at the time. Anyway, it was a nice short and sweet chat and we plan to meet again. BTW, Peter is the editor of Dream Collector - definitely a cool person! And then there was this meeting (actually two) with Marcel Engels in Amsterdam.... heheh, but that's another story for another post! Isn't hat right Marcel? ;-) Have a great week! Vic NP: Warszawa Wita Was! - CD-R, Warsaw June 13, 1997 Set One! Silver Scale :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13737 Re: TD Friends Marcel Engels Mon 5/18/1998 3 KB 13911 Interesting list Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 5/23/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 18, 1998 9:25 am Subject: td friends ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Armin Theissen >Since it's kind of quiet on this list, maybe some of us should introduce >ourselves to others and this list. Many friendships have been made this >way. This could also be a good time to mention special meetings with >Tadream list members that you may have had or are seeking. I've met 7 >members from this list in 4 different countries. Each meeting has been >interesting and fun (and always a great experience). This of course doesn't >include the numerous people I communicate via e-mail, fax, and by voice on >the telephone. So please tell us something about yourself. I'm sure >everyone's got a good story... >[...] On the UK tour last year I met some list members I previously met at the Shepard's Bush gig in London, among them Conrad from Derry/N.Ireland. Last Thursday I went to the G3 gig in Dublin (Uli Jil Roth, Michael Schenker Group, and Joe Satriani, my hero!) when all of a sudden in a break between two gigs, out of the crowd in front of the bar this guy appeared in a Joe Satriani Tshirt shaking my hand 'Hi Armin'. It was Conrad. Seems we TDDreamers have something more in common than just TD but music taste in general? And at this stage I'd like to suggest an all-Ireland Tangerine Dream meeting - North and South, to propagate the peace process. (ups, no politics here....) armin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 18, 1998 1:26 pm Subject: Vixen? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Hmmmm another one??? TD is full of surprises lately...Who knows? This is the first I've heard of it? What was the source of the info? What happened to 'Lion's Share'? MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13731 Re: Vixen? Wouter Bessels Mon 5/18/1998 3 KB 13733 Re: Vixen? feldon@p... Mon 5/18/1998 3 KB 13769 Vixen? Stephen, Frank Wed 5/20/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 18, 1998 1:46 pm Subject: Re: Vixen? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Wouter Bessels At 08:26 18-05-98 -0500, Michael A Jean wrote: >Hmmmm another one??? TD is full of surprises lately...Who knows? >This is the first I've heard of it? What was the source of the info? >What happened to 'Lion's Share'? I got the info from Groove Unlimited, at groove@m... They will have the CD in stock as soon as it's available. Cheers, Wouter. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13733 Re: Vixen? feldon@p... Mon 5/18/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 18, 1998 2:04 pm Subject: Luminous Vision LD or DVD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Hello Earlier the publisher of Luminous Vision seemed to post the release date of LD and/or DVD. I don't remember the release date. Who knows if a non-video cassette format is already out? Jeffrey C. F. Au Yeung ICQ no. 9326338 'There is no Bodhi tree, Nor stand of a mirror bright, Since all is void, Where can the dust alight?' - Master Wei Lang Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13736 Re: Luminous Vision LD or DVD Steven Churchill Mon 5/18/1998 3 KB 13746 Re: Luminous Vision LD or DVD Flemming Larsen Tue 5/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 18, 1998 2:19 pm Subject: Re: Vixen? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 03:46 PM 5/18/98 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: Wouter Bessels > >At 08:26 18-05-98 -0500, Michael A Jean wrote: >>Hmmmm another one??? TD is full of surprises lately...Who knows? >>This is the first I've heard of it? What was the source of the info? >>What happened to 'Lion's Share'? > >I got the info from Groove Unlimited, at groove@m... They will have the >CD in stock as soon as it's available. I must've hit ... What does Vixen contain? feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 18, 1998 2:51 pm Subject: Re: tape tree 5 structure (preliminary) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 sorry for the delay...if you see any issues, please let me know...tom w np: add n to x - on the wires of our nerves (S) 105411.3107@c... EUROPE (1) hkraft@c... (1.1) fsalgado@c... (1.2) fred.yarqui@w... (1.3) ami.hassinen@e... (1.3.1) gerryfox@e... (1.3.2) harri.ikonen@t... (1.3.3) chiqui@o... (1.3.4) dan.cor@v... (1.4) int1217@m... (1.4.1) jmsf@c... (1.4.2) geir.smedsrud@s... (1.4.3) szatmari@s... (1.4.4) craig.cordey@g... (1.4.5) steve@l... (1.4.5.1) phil@h...,demon.co.uk (1.4.5.2) ath@s... (1.4.5.3) stephen.yensen@s... (1.4.5.4) i.f.fensome@d... (1.4.5.5) lawrysimm@u... USA EAST (2) tweibre361@a... (2.1) aoutland@a... (2.2) tdune@a... (2.3) rogesmith3@h... (2.4) steiner@b... (2.4.1) rhanna@e... (2.4.2) herbert@m... (2.4.3) findline@m... (2.4.4) jowers@i... (2.5) trichmnd@e... (2.5.1) kearley@r... (2.5.2) gabe@c... (2.5.3) mlivsey@n... (2.5.4) mfox@i... USA WEST (3) bruno@c... (3.1) aured@i... (3.2) dbrewer@a... (3.3) bosssfan@a... (3.4) miqsk8@a... (3.4.1) kwb10@f... (3.4.2) tdtrance@n... (3.4.3) frederic@a... (4) herod@n... (4.1) sflaub@b... (4.2) tom_gerardy@m... (4.3) jcroberts@h... (4.4) steve_whiteley@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 18, 1998 2:57 pm Subject: Important Info for Tape Tree 1/2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft This is a message to everyone expecting DIGITAL material from tape tree 1 and 2. 1) To all people who alreafy sent me their postal addresses: Your CDs have been sent. Please contact me IMMEDIATELY if you didn't get yours yet (Francisco doesn't have to reply, I saw his remark on the list already). 2) I am still missing the postal addresses of some people on tree 1/2...you know who you are, please contact me! Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 18, 1998 3:45 pm Subject: Re: Luminous Vision LD or DVD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Churchill >Earlier the publisher of Luminous Vision seemed to post the release date of >LD and/or DVD. I don't remember the release date. Who knows if a non-video >cassette format is already out? It's currently out on DVD and VHS. It will be released on Laser Disc via Image Entertainment on June 3. Enjoy! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 18, 1998 5:09 pm Subject: RE: TD Friends ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Vic Rek > > And then there was this meeting (actually two) with Marcel Engels in > Amsterdam.... heheh, but that's another story for another post! Isn't hat > right Marcel? ;-) Hahaha, that was certainly a very strange meeting yes, but I'm glad we did meet. Those nights in Amsterdam............ Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 18, 1998 5:45 pm Subject: D:LIVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' Rest assured that this is poised ready to start, all the prep work has been done. As soon as I get tree 3-4 then I'll spark off the discussion. I hope that everyone with the material is going to take part! Regards, Lawry. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Poetry and Scenario Visioning (flamebait?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 21:45:10 EDT >Subject: Re: What Chance? >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: AOutland > [Steve Feldman; I said:] >> Golly jeepers, I guess I plumb went and blew my chances with all >>(or is that both?) the female subscribers here. They'll never think of >>me as cyber-eligible again. Boo hoo. ;) Ah, me. X-o > > Gee, did you really think you had a chance to begin with? Uh, no. The way *I* act online--with everyone treated the same, whether or not I am 'supposed to' be nice to them--women tend not to warm to my demeanor. ;) Note that I don't even kiss *Edgar's* ass. >[. . .] let's keep the discussions gender unspecific if you don't mind. >The enjoyment of poetry or scenario visioning has nothing to do with >male/female. [. . .] 'Scenario visioning' maybe, but poetry? Quite a few people consider poets to be effette by nature, especially if they're male. Politically correct or no, I'd say that poetry--like flowers--appeals more to women than men, in general. I don't see anyone giving Dad flowers on Father's Day . . . or poetry books, for that matter. >[. . .] For your information, the other half of this discussion is >male. Well, seeing as there are some 700 male subscribers to this list and only two female, that comes as no shocking revelation. (And just because I said that many consider poets to be effette, doesn't mean they are--or that if they are, that it's a bad thing.) -- Steven Feldman --------------------------------------------------------------------- 'I don't give a damn on what the journalists are saying. If some dog pees at a tree, the tree won't fall down!' -- Klaus Kinski Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13910 Re: Poetry and Scenario Visioning (flamebait?) AOutland Sat 5/23/1998 3 KB 13918 Re: Poetry and Scenario Visioning (flamebait?) Gabe Yedid Sun 5/24/1998 6 KB 13919 Re: Poetry and Scenario Visioning (flamebait?) Greg Heil Sun 5/24/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 18, 1998 11:29 pm Subject: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! 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It does not require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house, except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you will get that lucky break that you have been waiting for. THIS IS IT! Simply follow the easy instructions, and your dream will come True! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13741 Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple In Jens Peschke Tue 5/19/1998 3 KB 13750 Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple In Rainer Rutka Tue 5/19/1998 3 KB 13742 Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple In Jens Kilian Tue 5/19/1998 3 KB 13743 Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple In Plumer, Scott Tue 5/19/1998 2 KB 13749 Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple In Dan J. Schulte Tue 5/19/1998 4 KB 13751 Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple In Jens Peschke Tue 5/19/1998 3 KB 13752 Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple In Plumer, Scott Tue 5/19/1998 2 KB 13753 Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple In Jens Peschke Tue 5/19/1998 3 KB 13755 Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple In JMPoer Tue 5/19/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 19, 1998 4:40 am Subject: Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple Instructions! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: EZWork@H... > >Follow this example for the STAGGERING results below: > > 1st level -- your 10 members with $5 ($5 x 10) $50 > 2nd level --10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100) $500 > 3rd level -- 10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000) $5,000 > 4th level -- 10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000) $50,000 > THIS TOTALS ----------------> $55,550 Somewhat later: 100.000+ tight arses never getting their $20 + $3.60 (?) postage back. Interestingly this old snowball system is an e-mail virus too. Thanks, that´s what mailing lists are for! :-( Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13750 Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple In Rainer Rutka Tue 5/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 19, 1998 8:00 am Subject: Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple Instructions! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jens Kilian [Pyramid scam deleted] I think it's time to put a filter on the list server which rejects every message which contains more than ten dollar signs... Sigh, Jens (DIE, spammers, DIE!) -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-14-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 19, 1998 1:00 pm Subject: RE: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple Instructions! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >multilevel businesses, AKA 'Pyramid Scheme,' illegal in all 50 states. If I'm going to be involved in an illegal moneymaking scheme, it'll be agricultural. :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 19, 1998 1:05 pm Subject: RE: Computer equipment for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Hey, a spam I might actually use! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 19, 1998 1:15 pm Subject: Intelligence report: none found ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I just got back from a week on GoldTri. Double message problems notwithstanding, I found it funny how smug they were about being such an 'intellectual' e-music list, as opposed to Tadream where all the zitty teenagers hang out. Frankly, I saw very little in the way of 'serious' discussion. Most of the list recently was taken up with survey of listmembers' fave albums, with a good dose of self-congratulation for being such a better list than Tadream. I think not. One thing positive, though, I finally figured out the story with Elana & the trout. Apparently if you don't play nice, lunchlady Elana with smack you with a virtual trout, and there is a separate list where nastygrams are permitted, entitled 'trout-free.' My, how clever. We have nothing to worry about. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13748 Re: Intelligence report: none found Gabe Yedid Tue 5/19/1998 2 KB 13763 Re: Intelligence report: none found Mike Livsey Wed 5/20/1998 3 KB 13764 Re: Intelligence report: none found Dan J. Schulte Wed 5/20/1998 4 KB 13774 Re: Intelligence report: none found Plumer, Scott Wed 5/20/1998 3 KB 13776 Re: Intelligence report: none found Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 5/20/1998 3 KB 13777 Re: Intelligence report: none found TWeibre361 Wed 5/20/1998 2 KB 13779 New KW album??? (was Re: Intelligence report: non Gabe Yedid Wed 5/20/1998 2 KB 13780 Re: Intelligence report: none found Plumer, Scott Wed 5/20/1998 2 KB 13782 Re: Intelligence report: none found TWeibre361 Wed 5/20/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Re: Luminous Vision LD or DVD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Flemming Larsen Steven Churchill wrote : >>Earlier the publisher of Luminous Vision seemed to post the release date of >>LD and/or DVD. I don't remember the release date. Who knows if a non-video >>cassette format is already out? > >It's currently out on DVD and VHS. It will be released on Laser Disc via >Image Entertainment on June 3. Finally another Laser Disc release :-) Does anybody know if 'Oasys' is comming out on Laser Disc ? I refuse to buy the VHS version because of poor sound quality !! Flemming. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 19, 1998 1:59 pm Subject: Vixen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AslanFan1 Not to suggest that anything posted here was incorrect, but I pulled up ICE magazine's list of upcoming releases and it listed a release by the band VIXEN and the title was Tangerine. Coincidence? I think not. Somebody's probably a tad confused. I know I am at this point. Can anyone recommend a good shopping spot for imports and TD toons in Austin, Texas? I just moved! Thanks, Alan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 19, 1998 2:22 pm Subject: Re: Intelligence report: none found ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Thank you, Scott, for confirming what most of us here knew was implicitly true. TADREAM RULZ MAN! YAAAAHHH! :-) Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 19, 1998 4:09 pm Subject: Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple Instructions! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > >Really-From: EZWork@H... > > > >Follow this example for the STAGGERING results below: > > > > 1st level -- your 10 members with $5 ($5 x 10) $50 > > 2nd level --10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100) $500 > > 3rd level -- 10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000) $5,000 > > 4th level -- 10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000) $50,000 > > THIS TOTALS ----------------> $55,550 > > Somewhat later: 100.000+ tight arses never getting their $20 + $3.60 (?) postage back. > Interestingly this old snowball system is an e-mail virus too. Thanks, that´s what > mailing lists are for! :-( > > Jens Oh thanks a lot Jens...I'm trying to get a system going here & you just spoiled it all. Hehehe. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 19, 1998 10:52 am Subject: Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple Instructions! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Rainer Rutka > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > >Really-From: EZWork@H... > >Follow this example for the STAGGERING results below: > > 1st level -- your 10 members with $5 ($5 x 10) $50 > > 2nd level --10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100) $500 > > 3rd level -- 10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000) $5,000 > > 4th level -- 10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000) $50,000 > Somewhat later: 100.000+ tight arses never getting their $20 + $3.60 (?) postage back. > Interestingly this old snowball system is an e-mail virus too. Thanks, that´s what > mailing lists are for! :-( > Jens You're damm' right - Jens. Let's do one thing: If everybody who got rubbish like that, is sending this email back to the sender 50 times (!) he'll think twice doing this s.... again. Rainer (Or send him a kernel-dump from your UNIX-System (if you have one)). From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 19, 1998 6:49 pm Subject: Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple Instructions! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Dano sez: >Oh thanks a lot Jens...I'm trying to get a system going here & you just >spoiled it all. Hehehe. Oh shit dude, if only I knew that ! ;-) Well, we´ll still earn a lot of money with that 22 CD TD Live Orgy set. (J/K) Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 19, 1998 7:36 pm Subject: RE: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple Instructions! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Let's do one thing: If everybody who got rubbish like that, is sending >this email back to the sender 50 times (!) he'll think twice doing this >s.... again. >(Or send him a kernel-dump from your UNIX-System (if you have one)). Or just ignore it and click 'Delete.' :-) Here's a riddle for you: What's worse than a spam? The responses! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 19, 1998 8:30 pm Subject: Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple Instructions! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Here's a riddle for you: > What's worse than a spam? > The responses! Wrong, Scott. On several occasions providers of spammers got damaged, floaded, denialed out of service so that they´ve to include filters and were forced to kick spammers/customers out. You might like to argue that you confirm your own e-mail address if replying to a spam, but that´s wrong too, as they know it anyway. Jens np: Amorph (Fanger&Siebert) - Haracirl EP Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13755 Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple In JMPoer Tue 5/19/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 19, 1998 1:07 pm Subject: Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple Instructions! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 07:29 AM 5/19/98 +0800, you wrote: >DEAR ONLINE FRIEND: >Try it you'll see why. You Have Absolutely Nothing To Lose! Better yet...everyone on this list send five bucks to me..and I'll send you a postcard from Puerto Rico.;-) Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 19, 1998 8:46 pm Subject: Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple Instructions! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JMPoer At 10:30 PM 5/19/1998 +0200, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > >>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >> Here's a riddle for you: >> What's worse than a spam? >> The responses! > > >Wrong, Scott. On several occasions providers of spammers got >damaged, floaded, denialed out of service so that they´ve to >include filters and were forced to kick spammers/customers out. > >You might like to argue that you confirm your own e-mail address >if replying to a spam, but that´s wrong too, as they know >it anyway. > Jens, They don't necessarily know it, they would get new addresses from anyone who replied to this particular spam, because it came to the list, not the members. Also, very clever engines exist for generating mail addresses for systems, when a few 'real' addresses are known....the more info you give a spammer, the better armed he is against you. Even your browser will give away your address without telling you to certain locations. Mine contains 'abuse@n...' as my return:-). If you want to hurt the spammers, send their mailings to the ISPs they came from. jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 19, 1998 10:35 pm Subject: thought this might be of interest to somej Got this from the scifi list today & thought I should pass it on. Hopefully, some of you will get to participate! ******************************************************************* ONLINE 'RAVE' PARTY FEATURING STREAMING VIDEO FROM LUMINOUS VISIONS Wednesday, May 6 @ 9pm ET/6pm PT/2am UK time ******************************************************************* Log on for The Dominion's third online 'rave' party! Chat with other sci-fi fans via our java applet while grooving to streaming videos from Luminous Visions, a collection of breathtaking computer animation by Japanese video artist Yoichiro Kawaguchi scored with the music of Tangerine Dream. For more information and a chance to win a Sony DVD player, visit: http://www.scifi.com/rave/ For more information about 'Luminous Visions' or other 'Mind's Eye' video releases, visit: http://www.sonymusic.com/smv/mindseyepresents/ and http://www.odyssey3d.com/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 19, 1998 9:38 pm Subject: Re: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple Instructions! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' jp said: >They don't necessarily know it, they would get new addresses from anyone >who replied to this particular spam, because it came to the list, not the >members. Mmh, I´d subscribe to a list and send a who to it to get all e-mails in a bunch. Your point isn´t value, IMO. >Even your browser will give away your address without telling you to >certain locations. Mine contains 'abuse@n...' as my return:-). Means what ? LOL. >If you want to hurt the spammers, send their mailings to the ISPs they came >from. Quite, what he said. Another possibility would be to attack ns. with one of the '2600' (a hacker site) methods. It worked well with the reply_to_every_e-mail bomb we got some month ago here on tadream. It was a NT box somewhere in Canada, btw. ;-) Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 12:01 am Subject: FS: Prayer For Quiet Dreams...again! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Due to a major brain fart in Mr Feldman's head...this CD is still available if you want it. Cost is $20 postpaid if you are in the US. If you are not in the US, add $10 for shipping. Lemme know if you are interested...I apologize for the repost. Please don't email me for what is on it...it's sealed and there are no visible track titles. Maybe Vic can post the tracklisting for you....er...or maybe he won't hehe. Regards, Dan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13759 Somnabulistic Imagery Sean Montgomery Wed 5/20/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 12:36 am Subject: Somnabulistic Imagery ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery I have spotted a copy of Somnabulistic Imagery here in towm, but the price is ridiculous. Thus, before I even consider picking it up, I was wondering if anyone has a track listing, and possibly a review? SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 12:58 am Subject: Re: Somnabulistic Imagery ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > I have spotted a copy of Somnabulistic Imagery here in towm, but the price > is ridiculous. Thus, before I even consider picking it up, I was wondering > if anyone has a track listing, and possibly a review? > > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean Hey..I was at that show. The show kicked ass...but the boot is for little else. The track selection is good. I wouldn't pay more than $20 for this 2-CD set. Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13761 Re: Somnabulistic Imagery Sean Montgomery Wed 5/20/1998 3 KB 13778 Re: Somnabulistic Imagery DATMECHANIK Wed 5/20/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 1:06 am Subject: Re: Somnabulistic Imagery ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Hey..I was at that show. The show kicked ass...but the boot is > for little else. The track selection is good. I wouldn't pay more than > $20 for this 2-CD set. Well, that's good to know. This place is charging the equivalant of twice that much! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 1:36 am Subject: RE: Sonambulistic Imagery ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... It is surprising that more of these CDs that are becoming rare are not being duped CD -> CDR. I'm sure there are a few CD-Recordable drives on the list, I know I have one... When the cost of one of these discs rises above $30, I think it's a good idea to dupe a few copies to keep the supply just so that no-one is making big money off of it. The idea is to distribute music. feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 10:31 am Subject: Re: Intelligence report: none found ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Tue, 19 May 1998 09:15:26 -0400, you wrote: >I just got back from a week on GoldTri. Double message problems >notwithstanding, I found it funny how smug they were about being such an >'intellectual' e-music list, as opposed to Tadream where all the zitty >teenagers hang out. Frankly, I saw very little in the way of 'serious' >discussion. Most of the list recently was taken up with survey of >listmembers' fave albums, with a good dose of self-congratulation for >being such a better list than Tadream. I think not. > >One thing positive, though, I finally figured out the story with Elana & >the trout. Apparently if you don't play nice, lunchlady Elana with smack >you with a virtual trout, and there is a separate list where nastygrams >are permitted, entitled 'trout-free.' My, how clever. We have nothing to >worry about. > >Scott You should have joined gt-troutfree instead. We're having way more fun ripping each other apart, plus Goldtri members to boot. Tadream doesn't have much to worry about as long as TD elects to release a good album for a change. -- Mike Livsey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 5:06 am Subject: Re: Intelligence report: none found ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > On Tue, 19 May 1998 09:15:26 -0400, you wrote: > > >I just got back from a week on GoldTri. Double message problems > >notwithstanding, I found it funny how smug they were about being such an > >'intellectual' e-music list, as opposed to Tadream where all the zitty > >teenagers hang out. Frankly, I saw very little in the way of 'serious' > >discussion. Most of the list recently was taken up with survey of > >listmembers' fave albums, with a good dose of self-congratulation for > >being such a better list than Tadream. I think not. > > > >One thing positive, though, I finally figured out the story with Elana & > >the trout. Apparently if you don't play nice, lunchlady Elana with smack > >you with a virtual trout, and there is a separate list where nastygrams > >are permitted, entitled 'trout-free.' My, how clever. We have nothing to > >worry about. > > > >Scott Well, you just can't win. Either you are too serious on a newslist or you are a childish fool babbling and making silly jokes. I say both lists have several problems. I agree with Mike...go to Troutfree if you enjoy true freedom. There we can talk about the next best thing to TD or emusic artists: the idiots & nerds that listen to it all (yes, including each other). No offense to this list...but how much more can be said about TD? They don't tour worth a damn, they don't do soundtracks anymore, they put out two albums a year now IF we're lucky and they spread their own lies about touring, releases and all sorts of weird shit. Oh wait, I forgot. We do need this list. I forgot about the fact that The Keep needs to be discussed more. Silly me. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 6:17 am Subject: 'rave' party CORRECTION: (someone has been raving too much and sleeping too little...) ******************************************************************* ONLINE 'RAVE' PARTY FEATURING STREAMING VIDEO FROM LUMINOUS VISIONS Wednesday, May 20 @ 9pm ET/6pm PT/2am UK time ******************************************************************* Log on for The Dominion's third online 'rave' party! Chat with other sci-fi fans via our java applet while grooving to streaming videos from Luminous Visions, a collection of breathtaking computer animation by Japanese video artist Yoichiro Kawaguchi scored with the music of Tangerine Dream. For more information and a chance to win a Sony DVD player, visit: http://www.scifi.com/rave/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 5:52 am Subject: Burping Prayer Setlist ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marek Mastalerz' For all whom it may concern, the setlist of 'Prayer Of Quiet Dreams' is as follows (this is a list of what's really there, not what's listed on sleeve): Prayer of Quiet Dreams [ 1.0] 18:15 Legend [ 2.0] 3:00 Wavelength [ 3.0] 5:04 Shy People [ 4.0] 2:29 Strange Behavior I [ 5.0] 2:11 Strange Behavior II [ 6.0] 2:07 Red Heat [ 7.0] 1:09 Pauline et Lordinateur [ 8.0] 3:53 Heartbreakers [ 9.0] 3:52 Geradeaus bis zum Morgen [10.0] 6:03 Rainbow Drive [11.0] 5:33 Risky Business [12.0] 7:21 Backstreet Hero [13.0] 8:12 Hamlet ------------- total = 69:15 Marek the Alienist From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 8:43 am Subject: Re: Sonambulistic Imagery ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: feldon@p... > > It is surprising that more of these CDs that are becoming rare are not > being duped CD -> CDR. I'm sure there are a few CD-Recordable drives on the > list, I know I have one... When the cost of one of these discs rises above > $30, I think it's a good idea to dupe a few copies to keep the supply just > so that no-one is making big money off of it. The idea is to distribute music. Right, 100% agreement. I don't have that boot, but I've made a digital (DAT) copy from one, so it's like I have it. The boot says it's a digital recording but it's not ( If you listen carefully you'll hear dropouts and hiss. On other side, I find this recording too bright, too metallic, so I downloaded the music to my hard disk and did a digital EQ and put is back to DAT ( I didn't have CD burner), so now EQ is much more balanced (IMHO). The end point of this is this: If someone would like to have an improved version of this boot i'm willing to trade it. By the way , I have only the music, not the cover artwork. --- Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 1:22 am Subject: Re: search EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Neal McAuley On 5/15/98 11:02 AM tadream mailing list wrote: >Er, I didn't think it was available in ANY format, at ANY price, >or does someone know something I don't? > >Steve. I had a friend who had it on CD. He sold it because he didn't really like it that much and he didn't bother to tell me he was selling it. I've never seen it since.... and no, this is not one of them K*** tales Neal :-) PS Does anyone know what happened to Joe Doheny (hygar@m...). I don't have his snail mail address to send his POV CD's too and his email bounces back. Thanks. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Vixen? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Stephen, Frank' Went over to the Groove Unlimited web site and Vixen was listed as a new release on June 8. No other info except price--$22.95 US. But, I could not find a listing on CDNow, MassMusic or RPMRecords. I send Groove an e-mail to see if there is anything to this. Will let you know if I get a reply. Frank n.p.-Quebec 1977 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 1:27 pm Subject: spring cleaning :) > (yet another trade/sell list) been doing some 'spring' cleaning. send > lists/offers privately > > TD collection box (gold cds) tyger, poland, best of. > > alexander square cd single > > from dawn till dusk cd > > the park is mine cd > > the best of the 01/w (VA) > > quichotte lps, amiga blue labels (most are sealed) > > Franke PCH promo cd (autograghed) > > cinema sampler cd (hoenig's X1 etc.) > > Franke klemania cd (new, front case cracked) > > yanni promo only cd 2024-2-pp, radio edits, 2 tracks, private music > > paul H world w/out rules cd (cover 'booklet' missing) > Jolliffe the japanese way cd > > I have about 4 of the 01/w cds sealed, I have quite a few quichotte lps > > new/sealed. all the rest are 1 copy each. > > gear: > > proteus fx module > > alesis mmt8 seq. > > teac X3R 2 track reel > > roland s220 w/30+ discs (NEEDS REPAIR!) >everything's in good/working cond. unless noted. > > wanted: JS songs no words, any TD SBM's (except tangram, FM, cyclone) > > TD deadly care, good sounding boot cd's. especially 75-86, froese ages cd. zinc-green cd, various other stuff (send your list!) > > gear wanted: synth workstations! :) (or maybe a digital piano) hehe. later-sorry for the bandwidth. rr decapolis get your goldtri cd's at: http://www.ratfink.demon.co.uk/stonker Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13775 Re: spring cleaning :) Plumer, Scott Wed 5/20/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 1:44 pm Subject: RE: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple Instructions! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Wrong, Scott. On several occasions providers of spammers got >damaged, floaded, denialed out of service so that they´ve to >include filters and were forced to kick spammers/customers out. Maybe I should have been more clear. What I meant was the dozen or so comments on the spam: 'I hate these darn spams,' ad nauseum. This includes my comments. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 1:36 pm Subject: More Vixen info... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean I also checked the I.C.E. newsletter...the album TANGERINE by the all girl heavy metal (well maybe thats a stretch) Vixen is scheduled for release May 19th on the CMC I'ntl label... I think this is a plausible explanantion... However, Wouter mentioned TDI specifically...Hmmmm MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 2:07 pm Subject: RE: Get Bill Collectors Off Your Back! Simple Instructions! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >If you want to hurt the spammers, send their mailings to the ISPs > they came > >from. > Or even better, don't buy what they're selling. If they're not making money at spamming, they won't do it. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 2:25 pm Subject: RE: Intelligence report: none found ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Well, you just can't win. Either you are too serious on a newslist or >you are a childish fool babbling and making silly jokes. I say both >lists have several problems. I agree with Mike...go to Troutfree if you It's not that one's too serious, it's that one takes itself too seriously, and is too convinced of its own superiority. >enjoy true freedom. There we can talk about the next best thing to TD or >emusic artists: the idiots & nerds that listen to it all (yes, including >each other). No offense to this list...but how much more can be said >about TD? They don't tour worth a damn, they don't do soundtracks Well, there was this 4-CD set, the name escapes me now, that had a t*t on the cover. . . >anymore, they put out two albums a year now IF we're lucky and they >spread their own lies about touring, releases and all sorts of weird >shit. Oh wait, I forgot. We do need this list. I forgot about the fact >that The Keep needs to be discussed more. Silly me. You think that's bad, try the Pink Floyd list! They haven't done squat since '95, so people are _really_ reaching for stuff to talk about. I like to think of Tadream as a forum for TD fans to discuss anything, in the context of TD-fandom. What I hated about GoldTri was their smug self-importance and their insults to certain people on Tadream. Plus they're hypocritical: they don't tolerate flames, unless they're directed at someone not on the list. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 5:39 pm Subject: RE: spring cleaning :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > the park is mine cd I might be interested in this, but your message came through with no 'really from' header. Who are you? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 5:51 pm Subject: Re: Intelligence report: none found ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > What I hated about GoldTri was > their smug self-importance and their insults to certain people on > Tadream. Plus they're hypocritical: they don't tolerate flames, unless > they're directed at someone not on the list. disappointed to read a recent subscriber (a pro, too, not a fanboy) being harassed by another GTer for use of essentially harmless language. Definitely join trout-free, though! ::E:: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 6:46 pm Subject: Re: Intelligence report: none found ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-05-20 10:21:46 EDT, you write: << You think that's bad, try the Pink Floyd list! They haven't done squat since '95, so people are _really_ reaching for stuff to talk about. >> huh? what about the issues surrounding the blinking light on the p.u.l.s.e. cd ? tom w np: kw - schone neue welt Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13779 New KW album??? (was Re: Intelligence report: non Gabe Yedid Wed 5/20/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 7:00 pm Subject: Re: Somnabulistic Imagery ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'DATMECHANIK' can anyone help me with td midi files -----Original Message----- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Date: 20 May 1998 02:08 Subject: Re: Somnabulistic Imagery >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > > >tadream mailing list wrote: >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- >> To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >> says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >> message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >> The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- >> Really-From: Sean Montgomery >> >> I have spotted a copy of Somnabulistic Imagery here in towm, but the price >> is ridiculous. Thus, before I even consider picking it up, I was wondering >> if anyone has a track listing, and possibly a review? >> >> SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator >> >> T O P I X / Mad Dog >> http://www.topix.com/~sean > > >Hey..I was at that show. The show kicked ass...but the boot is >for little else. The track selection is good. I wouldn't pay more than >$20 for this 2-CD set. > >Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 7:27 pm Subject: New KW album??? (was Re: Intelligence report: none found) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 20 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: TWeibre361 > > > np: kw - schone neue welt Is this a new album, or a boot? If it's new, is it actually any good? Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 7:32 pm Subject: RE: Intelligence report: none found ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' ><< You think that's bad, try the Pink Floyd list! They haven't done > squat since '95, so people are _really_ reaching for stuff to talk > about. >> >huh? what about the issues surrounding the blinking light on the p.u.l.s.e. cd > Oh yeah, I forgot about that! That's the reason I re-subbed! :-D Actually, the ROIO discussion I always enjoy. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 7:47 pm Subject: Re: New KW album??? (was Re: Intelligence report: none found) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-05-20 15:29:23 EDT, you write: << Is this a new album, or a boot? If it's new, is it actually any good? >> it is a 'compilation NOT authorized by the artists!' but a nice one.... tom w np: suns of arqa - a brief history From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 7:48 pm Subject: Re: Intelligence report: none found ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-05-20 15:29:26 EDT, you write: << Oh yeah, I forgot about that! That's the reason I re-subbed! :-D Actually, the ROIO discussion I always enjoy. >> and the tape trees.... tom w sp: suns of arqa - a brief history From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 8:27 pm Subject: Tape trees (Was: RE: Intelligence report: none found) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >and the tape trees.... I must have damaged that part of my brain in the last fal from my bike, but I still don't understand how tape trees work. I understand the structure, but the leaves, don't they get, like, 3rd or 4th generation tapes? That's fine for DAT or CD-R, but for analog, that would suck big time! Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13796 Re: Tape trees (Was: RE: Intelligence report: non feldon@p... Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 8:32 pm Subject: Cassette inserts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Can anyone recommend a program that will make cassette inserts and allow illustrations? I'd like to make some nice j-cards for some of my tapes, and I tried doing it on Word98, but I can't get the text to overlay the image. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13785 Re: Cassette inserts Jens Peschke Wed 5/20/1998 3 KB 13787 Re: Cassette inserts Jens Peschke Wed 5/20/1998 4 KB 13795 Re: Cassette inserts feldon@p... Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB 13797 Re: Cassette inserts Mike Livsey Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB 13800 Re: Cassette inserts Marcel Engels Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB 13798 Re: Cassette inserts Escola Pia Thu 5/21/1998 2 KB 13799 Re: Cassette inserts Neal McAuley Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB 13809 Re: Cassette inserts TWeibre361 Thu 5/21/1998 2 KB 13816 Re: Cassette inserts Francisco Salgado C. Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 8:57 pm Subject: Re: Cassette inserts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >Can anyone recommend a program that will make cassette inserts and allow >illustrations? I'd like to make some nice j-cards for some of my tapes, >and I tried doing it on Word98, but I can't get the text to overlay the >image. Yeah, that´s impossible with da world´s leader of HopeWare's word processor. Try Paintshop Pro (PSP4) , a shareware prog which can handle the most common grafix formats. You can overlay grafix and text the way YOU like! It´ll even work with Word98 if you export the grafix (with text) from PSP4 and load it in your J-Card - template Word document. Kind Regards Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Trout-Free and Freedom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Re being able to say anything you want on Troutfree, here is an odd comment from the Trout herself. I sent a copy of my posting about someone having seen a 1984 KEEP Cassette to her, and she said that the folks at Troutfree (which I'd never heard of) would probably like to know about. I submitted my subscription request, and go this: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:56:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Elana who? Subject: Re: An Eyewitness to the 1984 THE KEEP Cassette To: Steven Feldman Message-ID: BTW, there is only ONE sacred rule in Goldtri... NO CROSSPOSTING TO ANY OTHER LIST. *EVER*. Warn any others who ask you about it. All else on Troutfree is happy, majorly rule-free anarchy. Have fun! :) -Elana Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13792 Re: Trout-Free and Freedom Mike Livsey Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB 13801 Re: Trout-Free and Freedom Francisco Salgado C. Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB 13811 Re: Trout-Free and Freedom Dan J. Schulte Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB 13817 Re: Trout-Free and Freedom Francisco Salgado C. Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 9:35 pm Subject: Re: Cassette inserts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >Can anyone recommend a program that will make cassette inserts and allow >illustrations? I'd like to make some nice j-cards for some of my tapes, >and I tried doing it on Word98, but I can't get the text to overlay the >image. Yeah, that´s impossible with da world´s leader of HopeWare's word processor. Try Paintshop Pro (PSP4) , a shareware prog which can handle the most common grafix formats. You can overlay grafix and text the way YOU like! It´ll even work with Word98 if you export the grafix (with text) from PSP4 and load it in your J-Card - template Word document. Kind Regards Jens ---------- You can also use any kind of Photoshop rip-off which allows text overlaying graphics. You can also make the text part of the graphic, which allows any special-fx on the text you may want. One other idea, and this one is for desperate people--print your graphic on the j-card, put the printed j-card back into the printer, use a new j-card template and just put in text. The printer will print the text over the graphic image-- make sure everything is aligned the way you want it! This works well on inkjet printers, I'm not sure what output medium you have.. I think it should work with lasers too. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: KEEP LD Commentary Wanted on Audio and/or Video Tape ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Sigh. I didn't want to re-post the following to this list, but since I haven't heard back from anyone on the KEEP Mailing List . . . -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Date: Fri, 15 May 98 15:48:48 EDT From: KEEP Mailing List Subject: KEEP List>Who Has the KEEP LD w/ the Commentary Track? To: [list of addressees removed to save bandwidth] Hi, I forgot, who was it who told me they'd be able to get a copy of the commentary track from the recent KEEP laserdisk? I am pursuing getting a CD-R set made that would be a best-of-THE KEEP affair which would include relevant passages (or all) of the commentary track from the laserdisk. If enough people care, I could take down the names of those who would actually want a copy of the resultant set (and no, it won't cost $135 like that recent RISKY BUSINESS set mentioned on the tadream list). -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | | 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 10:39 pm Subject: Re: Trout-Free and Freedom/KEEP content ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Re being able to say anything you want on Troutfree, here is an >odd comment from the Trout herself. I sent a copy of my posting about >someone having seen a 1984 KEEP Cassette to her, and she said that the >folks at Troutfree (which I'd never heard of) would probably like to >know about. Oi, Stevo, NO! Troutfree is KEEPfree as well. ;-) Speaking of said OST, do you already know that there was a 2MC boot available in the early 90's ? Frits of KLEM fame reviewed it in an old KLEM mag, it was quite expensive as he said, btw. On another note, my last comment on gt-troutfree/goldtri. There´s no competition between this list and the mentioned, if you wanna have information about Tangerine Dream use this list, it´s the best source you can get for free. If you fancy discussing other em choose either space music, gt-troutfree/goldtri or ambient at hyperreal. Goldtri got an awful lot of traffic (a lot of bollocks included) recently, it's still fun and some folks there are very kind and helpful as well as the folks on this list. I'm here AND there to have fun. :-) Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Early 90's 2MC KEEP Boot in Old KLEM Magazine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:39:51 +0200 >Subject: Re: Trout-Free and Freedom/KEEP content >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Jens Peschke > >Oi, Stevo, NO! Troutfree is KEEPfree as well. ;-) >Speaking of said OST, do you already know that there was >a 2MC boot available in the early 90's ? No, but I had (and have) a 1MC boot from the early 90's that is very tinny and runs slower than the music that appears on the two KEEP CD boots (the Blue Moon boot and the COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP CD-R).* Seeing as the CD-R was made around 1994, perhaps this 2MC was the source material for the CD-R??? (*It's a long story, but I got it indirectly from Chris Young--the guy who did the music to HELLBOUND: HELLRAISER II--from a guy near my home who was friends with him. Young was in California while the other two folks were in Rhode Island. The only other person I know of who knew about this version of the KEEP outtake sessions on a cassette tape was Peter Grygorcewicz.) >Frits of KLEM fame reviewed it in an old KLEM mag, it was quite >expensive as he said, btw. X-0 This is the first time I've ever heard anything about this. Heh, it is rather amusing to see *yet another* bit of KEEP-related info appear for the first time on this list--further proving that the folk (that's 'folk' used collectively) here do *not* know everything there is to know about TD; they are legends in their own minds. ;) -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | | 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, The following are entries I am shaky about that I am going to ask about here before I post the entire updated TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY here: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + TANGERINE DREAM POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 7.5 excerpts: +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | KEY: the first number indicates quality level: 1 for worst, 10 for best | | --the 2nd number refers to the year; e.g., 70 indicates a 1970 release. | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ? 98 LION'S SHARE ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK RECORDINGS: 3 97 JIM & PABLO: DER METEOR (child's story dramatized in German; music by TD) - 98 LUMINOUS VISIONS (video sndtrck; comes w/ free CD [not sold separately]) ? TRANSSIBERIA COMPILATIONS: - 96 ATMOSPHERICS [similar to the FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK compilation] 9 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of 95 rel has diff cover and a 2nd disk) ? THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set, with one all-new CD) - TANGERINE DREAM (all of PHAEDRA, 'Rubycon Pt. 1,' STRATOSFEAR title track - 97 THE BRICK (ROCKOON, 220 V, TURN, TYRANNY & D MIXES in a box w/ a poster) 7 97 TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II (remixes various tunes, not specific tracks) - 98 ASTRAL LANDSCAPES (2-CD set) - THE ANALOGUE SPACE YEARS (UK 2-CD comp. w/ slipcase and ltd. ed. poster) - THE PINK YEARS - THE BLUE YEARS CHRISTOPH(ER) FRANKE (1971-1989) solos: 5 97 BABYLON 5, VOLUME 2: MESSAGES FROM EARTH (TV soundtrack) ? TRANSFORMATION OF MIND (narration by Deepak Chopra, music by Franke) ? BABYLON 5: A LATE DELIVERY FROM AVALON (1st TV ep. sndtrck; SI/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: Z'HA'DUM (2nd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue) ? BABYLON 5: SHADOW DANCING (3rd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: SEVERED DREAMS (4th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: WALKABOUT (5th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue) ? 98 THE BEST OF BABYLON 5 (enhanced CD from B5 ENCYCL. CD-ROM; 2 unrel. trax) ? BABYLON 5: FALL OF NIGHT (6th? TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: INTERLUDES AND EXAMINATIONS (7th? TV ep. sndtrck; SI/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: INTO THE FIRE (8th? TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: NO SURRENDER NO RETREAT (9th? TV ep. sndtrck; Sonic I/fn club) ? BABYLON 5: FACE OF THE ENEMY (10th? TV ep. sndtrck; Sonic Images/fn club) ? BABYLON 5: THE RAGGED EDGE (11th? TV ep. sndtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ COMA VIRUS ? 96 HIDDEN ? 97 DE UMBRIS IDEARUM (on the Side Effects label) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13831 Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY Steven Feldman Fri 5/22/1998 7 KB 13833 Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY Elana who? Fri 5/22/1998 3 KB 13834 Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY Mike Livsey Fri 5/22/1998 3 KB 13855 Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY Plumer, Scott Fri 5/22/1998 2 KB 13867 Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY Miguel Farah F. Fri 5/22/1998 4 KB 13886 Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY Steven Feldman Fri 5/22/1998 5 KB 13912 Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY feldon@p... Sat 5/23/1998 3 KB 13887 Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY joelm@b... Fri 5/22/1998 5 KB 13913 Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY feldon@p... Sat 5/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 6:44 am Subject: Re: Trout-Free and Freedom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Wed, 20 May 98 17:03:47 EDT, you wrote: >BTW, there is only ONE sacred rule in Goldtri... NO CROSSPOSTING TO ANY >OTHER LIST. *EVER*. Warn any others who ask you about it. > >All else on Troutfree is happy, majorly rule-free anarchy. > We cross-post all the time, but never (save the odd fubar) back to Goldtri as that's Elana's world. There are no rules on Troutfree since no one's moderating it. If Elana ever sticks her nose in there and tries to control what's going on, the list will die in minute as we'll start our own without her. Regards. -- Mike Livsey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 12:26 am Subject: J-Cards ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Brian Frick Hi, all! The best program for J-cards is Adobe Pagemaker. Only problem is, if you don't have a PS printer, you cannot position text upside-down. At least in my version. I've made some kick-butt cards though, with this program. -- Brian Frick frickblj@w... http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 2:25 am Subject: Trabbi Goes to Hollywood ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek This may be old news, but new for me. I picked up a soundtrack titled 'Trabbi Goes to Hollywood' because I heard rumors that it contained Chris Franke music. Well, the outside cover or the CD states nothing about Franke until you open the booklet and there you have it: 'Somewhere Over the Wall - Soundtrack' by C. Franke with an impressive running time of 0:53 (seconds that is) ;-) The release I have is a German one on Phonogram/Mercury 848 888-2 released in 1991. There are a total of 19 tracks which include Yello, David Knopfler, Nina Hagen, any some others. There is also Ulf Krueger? Hmmm, I wonder who he is... Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 3:49 am Subject: Re: Cassette inserts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 04:32 PM 5/20/98 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >Can anyone recommend a program that will make cassette inserts and allow >illustrations? I'd like to make some nice j-cards for some of my tapes, >and I tried doing it on Word98, but I can't get the text to overlay the >image. Heh. you need Macromedia Freehand or Adobe Photoshop. Well, those are certainly the high-end programs... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13797 Re: Cassette inserts Mike Livsey Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB 13800 Re: Cassette inserts Marcel Engels Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 3:48 am Subject: Re: Tape trees (Was: RE: Intelligence report: none found) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 04:27 PM 5/20/98 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >and the tape trees.... > > I must have damaged that part of my brain in the last fal from >my bike, but I still don't understand how tape trees work. I understand >the structure, but the leaves, don't they get, like, 3rd or 4th >generation tapes? That's fine for DAT or CD-R, but for analog, that >would suck big time! Yep. That's how it works. The quality goes down considerably. I wouldn't mind doing CD-Rs for $8 each of strictly UNRELEASED music from the master discs... If someone wants to organize something like this, let me know... feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 11:18 am Subject: Re: Cassette inserts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Wed, 20 May 1998 22:49:44 -0500, you wrote: >>Can anyone recommend a program that will make cassette inserts and allow >>illustrations? I'd like to make some nice j-cards for some of my tapes, >>and I tried doing it on Word98, but I can't get the text to overlay the >>image. > >Heh. you need Macromedia Freehand or Adobe Photoshop. Well, those are >certainly the high-end programs... > Go to Microsoft's site and download the MS Publisher trial. I make CD inserts using it, and I'm sure there wouldn't be any problem dealing with cassettes. -- Mike Livsey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13800 Re: Cassette inserts Marcel Engels Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 6:50 am Subject: RE: Cassette inserts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Escola Pia' > >Can anyone recommend a program that will make cassette inserts and allow >illustrations? I'd like to make some nice j-cards for some of my tapes, >and I tried doing it on Word98, but I can't get the text to overlay the >image. > CaseLinr (Shareware) Microsoft Publisher 97 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 1:01 am Subject: Re: Cassette inserts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Neal McAuley On 5/20/98 8:31 PM tadream mailing list wrote: >Can anyone recommend a program that will make cassette inserts and allow >illustrations? I'd like to make some nice j-cards for some of my tapes, >and I tried doing it on Word98, but I can't get the text to overlay the >image. > >Scott I'd highly recommend 'The Ultimate Label Printer Pro'. It does everything under the sun and since it's extensible, you can add plug-ins to fit your needs. The author of the program will create any plug-ins you require once you register the program. It was worth every cent of the $20 shareware fee. I'm fairly sure it's available for both Mac and PC. The URL is: http://www.aspenmall.com/software/lpp.html Hope this helps, Neal From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 8:24 am Subject: RE: Cassette inserts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) > > Go to Microsoft's site and download the MS Publisher trial. I make CD > inserts using it, and I'm sure there wouldn't be any problem dealing > with cassettes. > -- > Mike Livsey Yep, I also made my CD inserts with Publisher. Very easy program, has a cd layout and also cassette inserts in it etc. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 20, 1998 11:01 pm Subject: Re: Trout-Free and Freedom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > From: Elana who? > Subject: Re: An Eyewitness to the 1984 THE KEEP Cassette > To: Steven Feldman > Message-ID: > > BTW, there is only ONE sacred rule in Goldtri... NO CROSSPOSTING TO ANY > OTHER LIST. *EVER*. Warn any others who ask you about it. Is this really true? does she own the copyright over gold-tri messages? Amazing, that lady is becoming a little banana country dictator! ---francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 12:58 pm Subject: ELECTRONIC ORGY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: RBrown4856 Does anyone else besides me have this CD box set? Would like to talk with someone who does and hear your opinion! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13806 Re: ELECTRONIC ORGY Sean Montgomery Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 1:32 pm Subject: Near Dark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean I saw the S/T in a local shop this morning if anyone has been searching for it.... MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 19566 Near Dark Steve Yensen Fri 12/3/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 2:15 pm Subject: Not necessarily for Dreamers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marek Mastalerz' Hallo all, for a few days I've been exchanging messages with a guy interested in Klaus Schulze (some might dimly remember his purported connection to TD, but IMNSVHO (in my not so very honest opinion) the boys gave peace a chance throwing him overboard. Sometimes KS is good, but sometimes just schizaster (my term, guess what I mean). Anyway, just today I got the latest catalogue of Mario Schonwalder, musician, owner of Manikin Records, the label that publishes also KS. He sells also discs by other performers and labels. Anyway, now the Manikin Records has a Web page: http://www.manikin.de and an E-mail adress: manikinms@a... To boot, he has 'Macula Transfer' and practically all Klaus Schulze discs, with the exception of 'Silver', 'Historic', 'Jubilee Editions' and 'Le Moulin de Daudet' (which I just managed to find a few days ago). Happy hunting, Marek the Alienist From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 2:15 pm Subject: Epsilon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 01:22:21 -0000 > Subject: Re: search EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Neal McAuley > > On 5/15/98 11:02 AM tadream mailing list wrote: > > >Er, I didn't think it was available in ANY format, at ANY price, > >or does someone know something I don't? > > > >Steve. > > I had a friend who had it on CD. He sold it because he didn't really like > it that much and he didn't bother to tell me he was selling it. I've > never seen it since.... and no, this is not one of them K*** tales > > Neal :-) Sorry about not being quite up-to-date (the curse of digest mode), but is this really the plain Edgar Epsilon in Malaysian Pale you are talking about? I never realised it was rare or hard to obtain in any way - I got it from a record shop in Berwick Street, London, for a civil price of about £10. I like it a bit too much to give it away, though. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20153 Epsilon Phil White Tue 1/4/2000 2 KB 26517 Epsilon David Foster Sun 3/18/2001 2 KB 29655 Epsilon BRUCE@F... Thu 10/18/2001 2 KB 29697 Re: Epsilon Phil White Sat 10/20/2001 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 3:53 pm Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC ORGY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Does anyone else besides me have this CD box set? Would like to talk with > someone who does and hear your opinion! It's DA BOMB! :-) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 4:26 pm Subject: Music to listen before death Hello, I have a weird hypothetical question to ask, in case you guys are not offended. If you are about to die (you are warned before, don't blame me) in a few minutes (or it can be extend to a maximum of half an hour), and if you are allowed to choose to listen to a piece of music before you die peacefully ('peacefully' emphasised, in the sense of no pain), what piece of music will you choose to end your life? 2 further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its complete full length and then you die; in situation 2), only part (say half) of it is played and then you have to die immediately. My answer to 1) is that my choice will be TD's Stratosfear (original 76 version). Will enjoy the last moments of being carried up and down and then end my life when the song fades out gradually with the harpsicord-like sound. That is quite a beautiful ending. My answer to 2) will be Eno's 'Thursday Afternoon'. As the music just goes on and on rather quietly with very subtle variation, I guess this way I will die quite comfortably without feeling that my life ends too abruptly. Wonder if anybody thinks about it before, no matter how bizarre. JeffreyICQ no. 9326338 'There is no Bodhi tree,Nor stand of a mirror bright,Since all is void,Where can the dust alight?' - Master Wei Lang Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13808 Re: Music to listen before death Glenn Reinicke Thu 5/21/1998 4 KB 13812 Re: Music to listen before death Plumer, Scott Thu 5/21/1998 2 KB 13813 Re: Music to listen before death Plumer, Scott Thu 5/21/1998 2 KB 13815 Re: Music to listen before death TWeibre361 Thu 5/21/1998 2 KB 13818 Re: Music to listen before death joelm@b... Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB 13819 Re: Music to listen before death Gabe Yedid Thu 5/21/1998 2 KB 13820 Re: Music to listen before death Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB 13821 Re: Music to listen before death Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB 13893 Re: Music to listen before death Gabe Yedid Fri 5/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 4:44 pm Subject: RE: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Glenn Reinicke The Disneyland Main Street Electrical Parade Theme. It never ends and annoys everyone. > Hello,  >   > I have a weird hypothetical question to ask, in case you guys are not > offended.  >   > If you are about to die (you are warned before, don't blame me) in a > few minutes (or it can be extend to a maximum of half an hour), and if > you are allowed to choose to listen to a piece of music before you die > peacefully ('peacefully' emphasised, in the sense of no pain), what > piece of music will you choose to end your life?  >   > 2 further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its > complete full length and then you die; in situation 2), only part (say > half) of it is played and then you have to die immediately.  >   > My answer to 1) is that my choice will be TD's Stratosfear (original > 76 version). Will enjoy the last moments of being carried up and down > and then end my life when the song fades out gradually with the > harpsicord-like sound. That is quite a beautiful ending.  >   > My answer to 2) will be Eno's 'Thursday Afternoon'. As the music just > goes on and on rather quietly with very subtle variation, I guess this > way I will die quite comfortably without feeling that my life ends too > abruptly.  >   > Wonder if anybody thinks about it before, no matter how bizarre.  >   > Jeffrey > ICQ no. 9326338  > 'There is no Bodhi tree, > Nor stand of a mirror bright, > Since all is void, > Where can the dust alight?' - Master Wei Lang  > >   From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 5:07 pm Subject: Re: Cassette inserts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-05-20 16:29:30 EDT, you write: << Can anyone recommend a program that will make cassette inserts and allow illustrations? I'd like to make some nice j-cards for some of my tapes, and I tried doing it on Word98, but I can't get the text to overlay the image. >> im kinda partial to wintaper myself... tom w np: locust - morning light From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 5:38 pm Subject: Re: tape tree 5 structure (final) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 here it is...tom w np: locust - morning light (S) 105411.3107@c... EUROPE (1) hkraft@c... (1.1) fsalgado@c... (1.2) fred.yarqui@w... (1.3) ami.hassinen@e... (1.3.1) gerryfox@e... (1.3.2) harri.ikonen@t... (1.3.3) chiqui@o... (1.3.4) dan.cor@v... (1.4) int1217@m... (1.4.1) jmsf@c... (1.4.2) geir.smedsrud@s... (1.4.3) szatmari@s... (1.4.4) craig.cordey@g... (1.4.5) steve@l... (1.4.5.1) phil@h...,demon.co.uk (1.4.5.2) ath@s... (1.4.5.3) stephen.yensen@s... (1.4.5.4) i.f.fensome@b... (1.4.5.5) lawrysimm@u... USA EAST (2) tweibre361@a... (2.1) aoutland@a... (2.2) tdune@a... (2.3) rogesmith3@h... (2.4) steiner@b... (2.4.1) herbert@m... (2.4.2) findline@m... (2.4.3) jowers@i... (2.5) trichmnd@e... (2.5.1) kearley@r... (2.5.2) gabe@c... (2.5.3) mlivsey@n... (2.5.4) mfox@i... USA WEST (3) bruno@c... (3.1) aured@i... (3.2) dbrewer@a... (3.3) bosssfan@a... (3.4) miqsk8@a... (3.4.1) kwb10@f... (3.4.2) tdtrance@n... (3.4.3) frederic@a... (4) herod@n... (4.1) sflaub@b... (4.2) tom_gerardy@m... (4.3) jcroberts@h... (4.4) steve_whiteley@n... (4.5) mbd@n... (4.6) rhanna@e... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 5:45 pm Subject: Re: Trout-Free and Freedom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > From: Elana who? > > Subject: Re: An Eyewitness to the 1984 THE KEEP Cassette > > To: Steven Feldman > > Message-ID: > > > > BTW, there is only ONE sacred rule in Goldtri... NO CROSSPOSTING TO ANY > > OTHER LIST. *EVER*. Warn any others who ask you about it. > > Is this really true? does she own the copyright over gold-tri messages? > > Amazing, that lady is becoming a little banana country dictator! > > ---francisco D-Dude From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 5:57 pm Subject: RE: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >2 further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its complete full length >and then you die; Easy! 'This is the song that doesn't end, yes it goes on and on my friend. . . ' :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 6:00 pm Subject: RE: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >2 further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its complete full length >and then you die; in situation 2), only part (say half) of it is played and then you >have to die immediately.  >   How about The Doors' 'The End'? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 6:08 pm Subject: Macula Transfer is now officially limited ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Hi there, that´s from http://www.manikin.de ----------------------------------------- MACULA TRANSFER will be limited! we must stop the repressing of this cd, because they are troubles with the given license (not our mistake!). so order now one of the last copies! ------------------------------------------ HUGE ta to Edgar !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13832 Re: Macula Transfer is now officially limited Tdune Fri 5/22/1998 3 KB 13839 Re: Macula Transfer is now officially limited Tdune Fri 5/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 6:31 pm Subject: Re: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-05-21 13:57:46 EDT, you write: << How about The Doors' 'The End'? >> nico's version is more funeral, imo.... tom w np: bark psychosis - game cover From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 7:41 pm Subject: Re: Cassette inserts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' I use Micrographic Picture Publisher 6.0 Really good, you can add layers pf pictures and text with adjustable transparency level, all sorts of image manipulation transformation and effx, a lot of ways of doing text. and very cheap this days ( it comes bundled with many brands of scanners, by the way) so my advice: use a good graphics package. francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 7:45 pm Subject: Re: Trout-Free and Freedom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > Is this really true? does she own the copyright over gold-tri messages? > > Amazing, that lady is becoming a little banana country dictator! > > > > ---francisco ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > D-Dude :DDDDD From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 6:44 pm Subject: RE: RE: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: joelm@b... ----Original Message----- >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >To: tadream@c... >Subject: RE: Music to listen before death >Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 1:00 PM >further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its >complete full length >and then you die; anything on 8-track, I don't want to die! >in situation 2), only part (say half) of it is played and then you >have to die immediately. Boot Skoot'n Boogie (line dance song), I would welcome death! joel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 7:01 pm Subject: Re: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid My choice would have to be what remains my very favourite piece of music on the face of the planet--Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor (BWV 582) by J.S. Bach. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 7:01 pm Subject: Re: RE: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > >further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its > >complete full length >and then you die; Either 'Kung-Fu Fighting' or K.C.'s 'Get Down Tonight,' because then you *will* want to die...! E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 7:14 pm Subject: Re: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > My choice would have to be what remains my very favourite piece of music > on the face of the planet--Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor (BWV 582) by > J.S. Bach. Bach rocks! I treasure highly my double-disc sets of bach's organ fugues (cue many-an-'organ'-joke from Dano...;-) E Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13893 Re: Music to listen before death Gabe Yedid Fri 5/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 7:36 pm Subject: Daudet again ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' Hello! I have and am selling 'le moulin de Daudet' for who wants it... Greetings Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 8:11 pm Subject: Re: death to music (was:Music to listen before death) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-05-21 15:07:45 EDT, you write: << > >further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its > >complete full length >and then you die; Either 'Kung-Fu Fighting' or K.C.'s 'Get Down Tonight,' because then you *will* want to die...! >> hehe...this is an even more interesting thread: music you'd kill to stop...victim # 1: sinead o'connor's 'nothing compares to you'.... tom w np: no-man : dry cleaning ray Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13824 Re: death to music (was:Music to listen before de Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB 13825 Re: death to music (was:Music to listen before de Sean Montgomery Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB 13826 Re: death to music (was:Music to listen before de Glenn Reinicke Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB 13830 Death to Wedding Music Brian E. Kirby Fri 5/22/1998 3 KB 13827 Re: death to music (was:Music to listen before de Greg Heil Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB 13837 Re: death to music (was:Music to listen before de Gabe Yedid Fri 5/22/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 8:23 pm Subject: Re: death to music (was:Music to listen before death) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: TWeibre361 > > << > >further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its > > >complete full length >and then you die; > > Either 'Kung-Fu Fighting' or K.C.'s 'Get Down Tonight,' because then you > *will* want to die...! >> > > hehe...this is an even more interesting thread: music you'd kill to > stop...victim # 1: sinead o'connor's 'nothing compares to you'.... Great inversion of the thread, Tom! Here's my entry: that new rap tune that incorporates the theme from 'Knightrider'!!!!!!!!!! E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 8:26 pm Subject: Re: death to music (was:Music to listen before death) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > hehe...this is an even more interesting thread: music you'd kill to > stop...victim # 1: sinead o'connor's 'nothing compares to you'.... I have a webpage devoted to this topic. I call it 'The Jukebox From Hell' http://www.topix.com/~sean/worst_songs.htm SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 8:47 pm Subject: RE: death to music (was:Music to listen before death) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Glenn Reinicke > In a message dated 98-05-21 15:07:45 EDT, you write: > > << > >further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its > > >complete full length >and then you die; > > Either 'Kung-Fu Fighting' or K.C.'s 'Get Down Tonight,' because then > you > *will* want to die...! >> > > > hehe...this is an even more interesting thread: music you'd kill to > stop...victim # 1: sinead o'connor's 'nothing compares to you'.... > I'd vote for anything by Boys to Men or the Macarena. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13830 Death to Wedding Music Brian E. Kirby Fri 5/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 9:24 pm Subject: Re: death to music (was:Music to listen before death) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: Glenn Reinicke > > > > > In a message dated 98-05-21 15:07:45 EDT, you write: > > > > << > >further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its > > > >complete full length >and then you die; > > > > Either 'Kung-Fu Fighting' or K.C.'s 'Get Down Tonight,' because then > > you > > *will* want to die...! >> > > > > > > hehe...this is an even more interesting thread: music you'd kill to > > stop...victim # 1: sinead o'connor's 'nothing compares to you'.... Backstreet Boys 'My Heart' (or whatever the hell it's called) Hanson's 'Mmm Bop' That just has to go. Vanilla Ice 'Ice Ice Baby' peice o carp. Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13837 Re: death to music (was:Music to listen before de Gabe Yedid Fri 5/22/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 9:34 pm Subject: NO TD HERE! RE: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD At 09:44 19980521- -0700, tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Glenn Reinicke > > > The Disneyland Main Street Electrical Parade Theme. It never >ends and annoys everyone. There's a group of demented LA people who are going to resurrect this puppy and parade a loosely (emphasis on the loose) bastardized version till it kills every one, the batteries wear out or the participants at this years Burning Man Festival pull the plug on the music (which is loosely based on the theme replete with all sorts of samples) my $0.02 see i told you no TD! Pete mailto:penfold@a... http://www.artnet.net/~penfold/dev/null 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides on which instruments to take on the road. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13829 NO TD HERE! RE: Music to listen before death PENFOLD Thu 5/21/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 9:34 pm Subject: NO TD HERE! RE: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD At 09:44 19980521- -0700, tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Glenn Reinicke > > > The Disneyland Main Street Electrical Parade Theme. It never >ends and annoys everyone. There's a group of demented LA people who are going to resurrect this puppy and parade a loosely (emphasis on the loose) bastardized version till it kills every one, the batteries wear out or the participants at this years Burning Man Festival pull the plug on the music (which is loosely based on the theme replete with all sorts of samples) my $0.02 see i told you no TD! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 6:59 pm Subject: Death to Wedding Music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby' > > hehe...this is an even more interesting thread: music you'd kill to > > stop...victim # 1: sinead o'connor's 'nothing compares to you'.... Having gone to quite a few weddings and anniversaries (and my first bar mitvah last weekend) over the years, here are songs that never fail to induce blood lust. Village People - 'YMCA' Buster Poindexter - 'Hot Hot Hot' (Satan's gonna love getting him in Hell) 'The Electric Slide' 'The Chicken Dance' Billy Ray Cyrus (DIE!) - 'Achy Breaky Heart' Danzig - 'Last Caress' Just makin' sure you were paying attention. -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Since no one has responded yet, and since this post is a heck of a lot more important than talking about non-TD music fit or not fit to die to, here it is again, to prod a response. (And by that, I mean a constructive response leading to elucidation, not a snide retort or a jeer.) If anyone feels that any of the information below is incorrect and/or could use some clarification and/or elaboration, please let me know. I have given two different entries for the B5 episode CDs. The first version is the one I had before visiting the Sonic Images web site, while the second version is from after visiting it. ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Folks, The following are entries I am shaky about that I am going to ask about here before I post the entire updated TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY here: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + TANGERINE DREAM POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 7.5 excerpts: +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | KEY: the first number indicates quality level: 1 for worst, 10 for best | | --the 2nd number refers to the year; e.g., 70 indicates a 1970 release. | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ? 98 LION'S SHARE [name of issuing label: is it only TDI, or Sequel, too???] ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK RECORDINGS: 3 97 JIM & PABLO: DER METEOR (child's story dramatized in German; music by TD) - 98 LUMINOUS VISIONS (video sndtrck; comes w/ free CD [not sold separately]) ? TRANSSIBERIA [is this the correct name for this soundtrack???] COMPILATIONS: - 96 ATMOSPHERICS [similar to the FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK compilation] 9 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of 95 rel has diff cover and a 2nd disk) ? THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set, with one all-new CD) - TANGERINE DREAM (all of PHAEDRA, 'Rubycon Pt. 1,' STRATOSFEAR title track - 97 THE BRICK (ROCKOON, 220 V, TURN, TYRANNY & D MIXES in a box w/ a poster) 7 97 TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II (remixes various tunes, not specific tracks) - 98 ASTRAL LANDSCAPES (2-CD set) [name of issuing label???] - THE ANALOGUE SPACE YEARS (UK 2-CD comp. w/ slipcase and ltd. ed. poster) - THE PINK YEARS [name of issuing label???] - THE BLUE YEARS d8ame of issuing label???] CHRISTOPH(ER) FRANKE (1971-1989) solos: 5 97 BABYLON 5, VOLUME 2: MESSAGES FROM EARTH (TV soundtrack) ? TRANSFORMATION OF MIND (narration by Deepak Chopra, music by Franke) ? BABYLON 5: A LATE DELIVERY FROM AVALON (1st TV ep. sndtrck; SI/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: Z'HA'DUM (2nd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue) ? BABYLON 5: SHADOW DANCING (3rd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: SEVERED DREAMS (4th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: WALKABOUT (5th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue) ? 98 THE BEST OF BABYLON 5 (enhanced CD from B5 ENCYCL. CD-ROM; 2 unrel. trax) ? BABYLON 5: FALL OF NIGHT (6th? TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: INTERLUDES AND EXAMINATIONS (7th? TV ep. sndtrck; SI/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: INTO THE FIRE (8th? TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: NO SURRENDER NO RETREAT (9th? TV ep. sndtrck; Sonic I/fn club) ? BABYLON 5: FACE OF THE ENEMY (10th? TV ep. sndtrck; Sonic Images/fn club) ? BABYLON 5: THE RAGGED EDGE (11th? TV ep. sndtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) [does anyone know if these last six B5 disks correspond to B5 eps. 6-11???] ? TARZAN AND THE LOST CITY [name of issuing label???] ||| LISTING FOR B5 CDs AFTER HAVING VISITED THE SONIC IMAGES WEB SITE: ||| ? 97 BABYLON 5: SEVERED DREAMS (show #310 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: A LATE DELIVERY FROM AVALON (show #312 soundtrck; SI/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: WALKABOUT (show #318 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue) ? BABYLON 5: SHADOW DANCING (show #321 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: Z'HA'DUM (show #322 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue) ? 98 THE BEST OF BABYLON 5 (enhanced CD from B5 ENCYCL. CD-ROM; 2 unrel. trax) ? BABYLON 5: FALL OF NIGHT (show #222 sndtrck; Sonic Images/fan club issue) ? BABYLON 5: INTERLUDES AND EXAMINATIONS (show #315 soundtrck; SI/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: INTO THE FIRE (show #406 sndtrck; Sonic Images/fan club issue) ? BABYLON 5: NO SURRENDER, NO RETREAT (show #415 sndtrck; Sonic I/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: FACE OF THE ENEMY (show #417 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fn club) ? BABYLON 5: THE RAGGED EDGE (show #513 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) [and while we're here, anyone care to explain the show's numbering system???] _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ COMA VIRUS ? 96 HIDDEN [name of issuing label???] ? 97 DE UMBRIS IDEARUM (on the Side Effects label) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13833 Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY Elana who? Fri 5/22/1998 3 KB 13834 Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY Mike Livsey Fri 5/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 12:42 am Subject: Re: Macula Transfer is now officially limited ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tdune In a message dated 98-05-21 14:17:09 EDT, you write: << Hi there, that´s from http://www.manikin.de ----------------------------------------- MACULA TRANSFER will be limited! we must stop the repressing of this cd, because they are troubles with the given license (not our mistake!). so order now one of the last copies! ------------------------------------------ HUGE ta to Edgar !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jens >> Whatever happened to the Virgin CD release of this album? Marcelo G. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 1:07 am Subject: Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Elana who? Any questions related to Babylon 5 episodes can be answered at the Lurker's Guide to B5 at www.midwinter.com. BTW... I have been unsubscribed from Tadream for about 5-6 months now. so if anyone has any questions for me, Cc to elana@n... like Steve Feldman did here for this B5 question. Otherwise any commentary on Tadream for me to reply to will be like talking into a dead microphone in the middle of a soundproof booth. -Elana Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13834 Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY Mike Livsey Fri 5/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 8:45 am Subject: Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Thu, 21 May 1998 18:07:10 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >BTW... I have been unsubscribed from Tadream for about 5-6 months now. >so if anyone has any questions for me, Cc to elana@n... like Steve >Feldman did here for this B5 question. Otherwise any commentary on >Tadream for me to reply to will be like talking into a dead microphone in >the middle of a soundproof booth. > >-Elana Talking to Elana is like talking to a dead microphone anyways since I don't think her head/ego could fit in a soundproof booth. But this is more likely a discussion for Troutfree than here, assuming I can cross-post... Regards. NP: JMJ - Music For Supermarkets -- Mike Livsey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 2:53 am Subject: Re: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-05-21 12:52:20 EDT, you write: << Really-From: Glenn Reinicke The Disneyland Main Street Electrical Parade Theme. It never ends and annoys everyone. >> or 100 Bottles of Beer on the Wall; you'll be glad to die long before it ends. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 3:27 am Subject: Trabbi Goes to H'wood - resend + misc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I sent this e-mail yesterday and I have not received it. Maybe my server was down or etc, etc, but here it goes again... This may be old news, but new for me. I picked up a soundtrack titled 'Trabbi Goes to Hollywood' because I heard rumors that it contained Chris Franke music. Well, the outside cover or the CD states nothing about Franke until you open the booklet and there you have it: 'Somewhere Over the Wall - Soundtrack' by C. Franke with an impressive running time of 0:53 (seconds that is) ;-) The release I have is a German one on Phonogram/Mercury 848 888-2 released in 1991. There are a total of 19 tracks which include Yello, David Knopfler, Nina Hagen, any some others. There is also Ulf Krueger? Hmmm, I wonder who he is... Vic PS. And a few comments on some other posts: ---- What Shall I Die to (for?): Jeez Jeffrey, I thought your life was going quite well lately, why the dark thoughts ;-) But I answered this question many years ago. It would be Pink Floyd's movie The Valley with the soundtrack Obscured by Clouds (at the end when.. I won't tell). In the TD realm, it would be Froese's Epsilon in Malaysian Pale.... ---- Troutfree: And BTW, please don't comment on Elana to this list, it makes no sense. It's always best to meet your friend or foe in person and hash out the situation. The world would be a better place if more people did this. :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 4:36 am Subject: Re: death to music (was:Music to listen before death) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid I'm amazed nobody has nominated 'My Heart Will Go On'! Here's vote #1... Gabe who thinks that yeah, Celine DOES have a nice voice, she just sings cr*p with it. (and I still think she could make a positive difference to some TD songs, if given the chance. But no, she wouldn't try, bacause she could tell right off they do not have Top 40 potential...) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 2:32 am Subject: Trabbi Goes to Hollywood - resend + misc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I sent this e-mail yesterday and I have not received it. Maybe my server was down or etc, etc, but here it goes again... This may be old news, but new for me. I picked up a soundtrack titled 'Trabbi Goes to Hollywood' because I heard rumors that it contained Chris Franke music. Well, the outside cover or the CD states nothing about Franke until you open the booklet and there you have it: 'Somewhere Over the Wall - Soundtrack' by C. Franke with an impressive running time of 0:53 (seconds that is) ;-) The release I have is a German one on Phonogram/Mercury 848 888-2 released in 1991. There are a total of 19 tracks which include Yello, David Knopfler, Nina Hagen, any some others. There is also Ulf Krueger? Hmmm, I wonder who he is... Vic PS. And a few comments on some other posts: ---- What Shall I Die to (for?): Jeez Jeffrey, I thought your life was going quite well lately, why the dark thoughts ;-) But I answered this question many years ago. It would be Pink Floyd's movie The Valley with the soundtrack Obscured by Clouds (at the end when.. I won't tell). In the TD realm, it would be Froese's Epsilon in Malaysian Pale.... ---- Troutfree: And BTW, please don't comment on Elana to this list, it makes no sense. It's always best to meet your friend or foe in person and hash out the situation. The world would be a better place if more people did this. :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:11 am Subject: Re: Macula Transfer is now officially limited ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: J.Peschke@s... Really-From: Tdune >Whatever happened to the Virgin CD release of this album? It'll surely be released AFTER their THE KEEP release.8-[>] AFAIK the virgin 'Macula Transfer' release will offer remixes instead of the original versions, I could be wrong, though, wouldn´t be neither the first nor the last time. ;-) Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 21, 1998 9:41 am Subject: Epsilon - Froese ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'ashok prema' What's this nonsense about 'Epsilon ...' NOT being available on cd.........I've had one for years - indeed - I bought a second copy for my uncle in New Zealand - his house is surrounded by acres of greenery - and in the morning all you hear are the damn crickets (or some other insect-like creatures) making this natural din. I thought he'd appreciate the natural sounds of 'Epsilon'......maybe I'd best retrieve it when I manage to afford to visit him in years to come? Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 12:11 pm Subject: Bab 5 episode numbering system ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Steven Feldman > (...) > > [and while we're here, anyone care to explain the show's numbering system???] > The first number (the hundread digit) refers to the season, the other two to the episode serial number. Thus #417 is the 17th episode of the fourth season. C.B. Vincent Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:33 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: ELECTRONIC ORGY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:35 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Cassette inserts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. 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Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:34 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13851 TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Music to listen before ainternet@f... Fri 5/22/1998 2 KB 13858 TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Music to listen before ainternet@f... Fri 5/22/1998 2 KB 13877 TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Music to listen before ainternet@f... Fri 5/22/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:39 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Macula Transfer is now officially limited ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13875 TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Macula Transfer is now ainternet@f... Fri 5/22/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:35 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Trout-Free and Freedom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13859 TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Trout-Free and Freedom ainternet@f... Fri 5/22/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:39 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: NO TD HERE! RE: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13849 TFS Delivery Failure: NO TD HERE! RE: Music to li ainternet@f... Fri 5/22/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:39 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: NO TD HERE! RE: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:35 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: RE: RE: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:35 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:35 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: RE: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 12:52 pm Subject: RE: Death to Wedding Music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Village People - 'YMCA' >Buster Poindexter - 'Hot Hot Hot' (Satan's gonna love getting him in >Hell) >'The Electric Slide' >'The Chicken Dance' >Billy Ray Cyrus (DIE!) - 'Achy Breaky Heart' Heh, heh. When my wife & I got married (well, she wasn't my wife at the time. . .) we stated in our contract with our DJ that he would not be paid if played any of these songs, plus a few others. He later told us that someone offered him money to play ABH, but he refused. He did play 'Too Hot For My Chinchilla,' though, and people actually liked it! Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13882 Re: Death to Wedding Music PENFOLD Fri 5/22/1998 3 KB 13884 Re: Death to Wedding Music Plumer, Scott Fri 5/22/1998 3 KB 13908 Re: Death to Wedding Music Lawry Simm Sat 5/23/1998 3 KB 13924 Re: Death to Wedding Music Quarlie Sun 5/24/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:34 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Macula Transfer is now officially limited ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 12:55 pm Subject: RE: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Talking to Elana is like talking to a dead microphone anyways since I >don't think her head/ego could fit in a soundproof booth. But this is >more likely a discussion for Troutfree than here, assuming I can >cross-post... Cross-post it to GoldTri, just to make her mad. Rules are meant to be broken! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:39 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Death to Wedding Music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:44 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Trabbi Goes to H'wood - resend + misc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:40 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:48 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Trout-Free and Freedom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:48 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Cassette inserts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:40 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Daudet again ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:47 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: RE: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13863 TFS Delivery Failure: RE: Music to listen before ainternet@f... Fri 5/22/1998 2 KB 13864 TFS Delivery Failure: RE: Music to listen before ainternet@f... Fri 5/22/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:41 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: RE: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:41 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: RE: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:39 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:40 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13874 TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Updates for the TD POCK ainternet@f... Fri 5/22/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 1:02 pm Subject: Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.' > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Wed, 20 May 98 19:29:20 EDT >Subject: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY > >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Since no one has responded yet, and since this post is a heck of >a lot more important than talking about non-TD music fit or not fit to >die to, here it is again, to prod a response. (And by that, I mean a This is a response. >[...] > COMPILATIONS: > > - 96 ATMOSPHERICS [similar to the FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK compilation] > 9 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of 95 rel has diff cover and a 2nd disk) > ? THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set, with one all-new CD) > - TANGERINE DREAM (all of PHAEDRA, 'Rubycon Pt. 1,' STRATOSFEAR title track > - 97 THE BRICK (ROCKOON, 220 V, TURN, TYRANNY & D MIXES in a box w/ a poster) > 7 97 TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II (remixes various tunes, not specific tracks) > - 98 ASTRAL LANDSCAPES (2-CD set) [name of issuing label???] > - THE ANALOGUE SPACE YEARS (UK 2-CD comp. w/ slipcase and ltd. ed. poster) > - THE PINK YEARS [name of issuing label???] > - THE BLUE YEARS d8ame of issuing label???] Where's Tangents? I know some people hate it, but is still a compilation... >[...] > ? BABYLON 5: NO SURRENDER, NO RETREAT (show #415 sndtrck; Sonic I/fan club) > ? BABYLON 5: FACE OF THE ENEMY (show #417 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fn club) > ? BABYLON 5: THE RAGGED EDGE (show #513 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) > >[and while we're here, anyone care to explain the show's numbering system???] Episodes are numbered this way: Xyy, where X is the season number, and yy is the *production* number within the season. For example, episode 415 (NSNR) is the fifteenth episode *filmed* in the fourth season. -- MIGUEL FARAH \ GCS/O d-(pu) s++:+>++: a26 C++ UL+>L++++ miguel@w... / P+ L>++ E--- W++ N+++ o+ K+++ w--(+) !O mfarah@p... \ M- V-- PS+(-) PE++ Y+ PGP-(+) t++@ 5++ http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel / X- R tv(+) b+ DI+ D++ G++++ e+(*) h!>++ #include \ r-- y? <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:40 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: death to music (was:Music to listen before death) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13869 TFS Delivery Failure: Re: death to music (was:Mus ainternet@f... Fri 5/22/1998 2 KB 13870 TFS Delivery Failure: Re: death to music (was:Mus ainternet@f... Fri 5/22/1998 2 KB 13872 TFS Delivery Failure: Re: death to music (was:Mus ainternet@f... Fri 5/22/1998 2 KB 13881 TFS Delivery Failure: Re: death to music (was:Mus ainternet@f... Fri 5/22/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:44 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: death to music (was:Music to listen before death) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:41 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: death to music (was:Music to listen before death) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:41 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: RE: death to music (was:Music to listen before death) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:41 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: death to music (was:Music to listen before death) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 1:20 pm Subject: Cassette inserts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I took a look at WinTaper, and it's great! Thanks, Tom W. for recommending it. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:40 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:54 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Macula Transfer is now officially limited ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:55 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Trabbi Goes to Hollywood - resend + misc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:43 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:48 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: tape tree 5 structure (final) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 2:49 pm Subject: Re: Celine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Fri, 22 May 1998, Michael A Jean wrote: > > I have listened to Celine for a decade, but don't know how it might fit > with TD... > > MJ Picture some actually *good* vocals for: Tyger Smile Loved By The Sun Shy People though I doubt 'Kiew Mission' or 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' would be good ideas for her. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 2:48 pm Subject: What's with all these delivery failures? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Yet *another* one of my classic posts where the subject line says it all! I'm not the only one whose mailbox is clogged up with these things, am I? Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13883 Re: What's with all these delivery failures? Greg Heil Fri 5/22/1998 3 KB 13888 Re: What's with all these delivery failures? Dan J. Schulte Fri 5/22/1998 3 KB 13890 Re: What's with all these delivery failures? joelm@b... Fri 5/22/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:41 pm Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: death to music (was:Music to listen before death) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ainternet@f... Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: pjeal@f... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 3:04 pm Subject: RE: Death to Wedding Music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD At 08:52 19980522- -0400, tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Heh, heh. When my wife & I got married (well, she wasn't my wife >at the time. . .) we stated in our contract with our DJ that he would >not be paid if played any of these songs, plus a few others. He later >told us that someone offered him money to play ABH, but he refused. He >did play 'Too Hot For My Chinchilla,' though, and people actually liked >it! Hmmm gives me idea. I've told the DJ who will play my wedding this Oct. that there is to be *no Disco* and definitely no Macarena.....The Time Warp, yes. Macarena no! What other TD stuff would be great for wedding music. So far I'm having at least 'Ghazal' being played. Pete mailto:penfold@a... http://www.artnet.net/~penfold/dev/null 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides on which instruments to take on the road. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 3:41 pm Subject: Re: What's with all these delivery failures? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > Yet *another* one of my classic posts where the subject line says it all! > > I'm not the only one whose mailbox is clogged up with these things, am I? > > Gabe I thought Tadream got suddenly productive this morning.. but yes, all delivery failures... a good way to lose a few more people on here to bulky mass e-mail failures. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 4:06 pm Subject: RE: Death to Wedding Music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Hmmm gives me idea. I've told the DJ who will play my wedding this Oct. >that there is to be *no Disco* and definitely no Macarena.....The Time >Warp, yes. Macarena no! You can tell 'em anything you want, but once people start requesting things, forget it! That's why we wrote it into the contract. > What other TD stuff would be great for wedding music. So far I'm having at >least 'Ghazal' being played. Interesting thread! 'Cool at Heart' wouldn't be bad, or maybe 'Birth of Liquid Plejades.' Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 4:09 pm Subject: kaleidoscope ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> OK, I'm back from 2+ weeks in the west; for those of you expecting something from me, it will be done soon. I'm inundated with stuff and am endeavoring to reply to each mail etc asap. thanks lars >Really-From: TangerineC >It's to coincidental that Edgar came up with TD when the other group just >happened to come out with the same name? Come on! Let's use our heads. The >words Tangerine Dream was never even used in the same breath by anybody >before 1967. Now all of a sudden it's used twice in 1967? Edgar definetly got >the name from this. Although I wonder if he would ever admit it. Tom --> this is incorrect; stay tuned from more on the name-saga. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:02:04 -0400 (CLT) >Subject: Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Miguel Farah F. > >>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >>Date: Wed, 20 May 98 19:29:20 EDT >>Subject: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY >> >>Really-From: Steven Feldman >>[...] >> COMPILATIONS: >> >> - 96 ATMOSPHERICS [similar to the FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK compilation] [...] >> - 97 THE BRICK (ROCKOON, 220 V, TURN, TYRANNY & D MIXES in a box w/ a poster >> 7 97 TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II (remixes various tunes, not specific tracks) >> - 98 ASTRAL LANDSCAPES (2-CD set) [name of issuing label???] [...] >Where's Tangents? I know some people hate it, but is still a >compilation... It's from 1994, and I only listed those recent items which I was unsure about. [...] >> ? BABYLON 5: THE RAGGED EDGE (show #513 soundtrck; Sonic Images/fan club) >> >>[and while we're here, anyone care to explain the show's numbering system???] > >Episodes are numbered this way: Xyy, where X is the season number, and >yy is the *production* number within the season. For example, episode >415 (NSNR) is the fifteenth episode *filmed* in the fourth season. Thank you, Miguel--and those others who explained this to me in off-list e-amil--for explaining this. I was thrown off because I had assumed that there were 13 shows per season rather than 26 because the only show who's episodes I take seriously is SHOWTIME'S THE OUTER LIMITS, which is not a network program. And no thanks to smark-alecky Elana who instead of giving me a straight answer--thus demonstrating her much- touted ominiscience (hee hee)--couldn't resist the temptation of trying to make me look at the B5 website for the answer--even though I don't like B5 and would rather sniff dingleberries than waste my time navigating that site and waiting for gifs to load, etc. ;) (I watch ST:DEEP SPACE 9, ST:VOYAGER, EARTH:FINAL CONFLICT, THE X-FILES, and SHOWTIME'S THE OUTER LIMITS--which, show per show, is hands-down better than THE X-FILES, by the way--but not B5.) -- Steven Feldman --------------------------------------------------------------------- 'I don't give a damn on what the journalists are saying. If some dog pees at a tree, the tree won't fall down!' -- Klaus Kinski Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13912 Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY feldon@p... Sat 5/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 3:35 pm Subject: RE: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: joelm@b... Hope this helps (you may know most of this already) I have all the B5 CDs if you have any more questions on them.( I have all the released Franke stuff if you have ?) Joel ----Original Message----- >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >To: tadream@c... >Subject: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY >Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 6:29 PM > > Since no one has responded yet, and since this post is a heck of >a lot more important than talking about non-TD music fit or not fit to >die to, here it is again, to prod a response. (And by that, I mean a >constructive response leading to elucidation, not a snide retort or a >jeer.) If anyone feels that any of the information below is incorrect >and/or could use some clarification and/or elaboration, please let me >know. > TANGERINE DREAM POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 7.5 excerpts: > > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | KEY: the first number indicates quality level: 1 for worst, 10 for best | > | --the 2nd number refers to the year; e.g., 70 indicates a 1970 release. | > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > COMPILATIONS: > > - 96 ATMOSPHERICS [similar to the FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK compilation] I have both and the only songs in common are 'Central Park' and 'Wahn' ATMOSPHERICS- 1. Genesis 2. Sunrise in the Third System 3. Wahn 4. Ashes to Ashes 5. Scuba Scuba 6. Circulation of Events 7. Central Park (NEW York) 8. Zen Garden (Ryoanji Temple Kyoto) 9. Underwater Sunlight 10. Resurrection 11. Hyde Park 12. White Clouds 13. Indian Summer 14. Tyger 15. Dolphin Dance FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK 1973-1988 1. Song of the Whale (part 1:from dawn) 2. Song of the Whale (part 2:from dusk) 3. Bois De Boulogne 4. Ride on the Ray 5. Poland 6. London 7. Le Parc 8. Live Miles (extract) 9. Central Park 10. Zeit 11. Wahn > 9 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of 95 rel has diff cover and a 2nd disk) True, Disk 1 is identical to Miramar release, second disc adds 6 new mixes (total 40:46) Released 1995 TDI001CD > ? THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set, with one all-new CD) 1996 > - 97 THE BRICK (ROCKOON, 220 V, TURN, TYRANNY & D MIXES in a box w/ a poster) It does not come with the poster you have to send away for it. > - THE ANALOGUE SPACE YEARS (UK 2-CD comp. w/ slipcase and ltd. ed. poster) 1998- Purple Pyramid-A Division of Cleopatra Records CLP 0227-2 > - THE PINK YEARS [name of issuing label???] 1998- Castle Communications CCS CD 815 > - THE BLUE YEARS [name of issuing label???] 1998- Castle Communications CCS CD 824 > CHRISTOPH(ER) FRANKE (1971-1989) solos: > > ? TRANSFORMATION OF MIND (narration by Deepak Chopra, music by Franke) 1997 Earthtone records ET 7704-2 > ? TARZAN AND THE LOST CITY [name of issuing label???] Not sure, but I once got to the Tarzan and the Lost City web site through SI's site Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13913 Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY feldon@p... Sat 5/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 4:36 pm Subject: Re: What's with all these delivery failures? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > Yet *another* one of my classic posts where the subject line says it all! > > I'm not the only one whose mailbox is clogged up with these things, am I? > > Gabe hell no...and it's pissing me off!! I've deleted over a dozen of these damn things! I think TFS stands for Too fu*%#$@ Stupid! Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Pink & Blue: 70-73 & 83-87, or 70-74 & 84-87? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi, What are the actual dates for the Pink and Blue Years? Figuring the dates of the albums, I'd say that Pink is 1970-1973, since GREEN DESERT is from 1973, and that the Blue is 1983-1987, since POLAND is from 1983--even though HYPERBOREA is also from 1983. I ask this because on the TDI website, there is the following at the webpage with the URL : The ¤Pink Years– (1970-1974) Electronic Meditation | Alpha Centauri | Zeit | Atem | Green Desert The ¤Virgin Years– (1973-1983) Phaedra | Rubycon | Ricochet | Stratosfear | Sorcerer | Encore | Cyclone | Force Majeure | Pergamon (Quichotte) | Tangram | Exit | Thief | White Eagle | Logos - Live at the Dominion | Hyperborea The ¤Blue Years– (1984-1987) Poland - The Warsaw Concert | Le Parc | Dream Sequence | Underwater Sunlight -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | | 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13895 Re: Pink & Blue: 70-73 & 83-87, or 70-74 & 84-87? joelm@b... Fri 5/22/1998 4 KB 13914 Re: Pink & Blue: 70-73 & 83-87, or 70-74 & 84-87? feldon@p... Sat 5/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 5:16 pm Subject: RE: Re: What's with all these delivery failures? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: joelm@b... ----Original Message----- >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >To: tadream@c... >Subject: Re: What's with all these delivery failures? >Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 11:36 AM > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > > >tadream mailing list wrote: >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >> says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >> message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >> The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Really-From: Gabe Yedid >> >> Yet *another* one of my classic posts where the subject line says it all! >> >> I'm not the only one whose mailbox is clogged up with these things, am I? >> >> Gabe > > >hell no...and it's pissing me off!! I've deleted over a dozen of these >damn things! I think TFS stands for Too fu*%#$@ Stupid! > >Dano > > You think you have a problem, my ISP's mail server is very touchy and at times refuses to delete messages off the service. So today I have loaded and deleted 61 messages THREE times. $#@$$%*&^%$#^^$$@!@$%&^%$#@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!! joel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: BOOK OF DREAMS and THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, Here are two planned entries for my updated TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY. Let me know if they are inaccurate. (For example, are the two CDs in the BOOK OF DREAMS set reproduced track-for-track on CDs in THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION, or are all the tracks on BOOK OF DREAMS spread out over the four CDs of previously-released material differently? I can verify this when I get home: I don't have the albums on-hand.) *95 BOOK OF DREAMS ([Essential Records] 2 CDs; Virgin *remixes; 12-p booklet) *96 THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set; *1 all-new CD; 2 CDs dup BOOK OF D) -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13892 Re: BOOK OF DREAMS and THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION Mr. Careless Fri 5/22/1998 3 KB 13896 Re: BOOK OF DREAMS and THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION joelm@b... Fri 5/22/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: BOOK OF DREAMS and THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Mr. Careless' >Date: Fri, 22 May 98 13:42:17 EDT >Subject: BOOK OF DREAMS and THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION >From: Tangerine Dream mailing list >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Here are two planned entries for my updated TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY. [. . .] >*95 BOOK OF DREAMS ([Essential Records] 2 CDs; Virgin *remixes; 12-p booklet) >*96 THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set; *1 all-new CD; 2 CDs dup BOOK OF D) Whoops! 'Virgin *remixes'??? Yikes. Below are entries closer to what I should have posted in the first place: 95 BOOK OF DREAMS ([Essential Records] 2-CD Set of remixes; 12-page booklet) *96 THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CDs [1 new]; *remixes; 2 CDs dup BOOK OF D) -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | | 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 6:05 pm Subject: Re: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 21 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > > > > My choice would have to be what remains my very favourite piece of music > > on the face of the planet--Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor (BWV 582) by > > J.S. Bach. > > Bach rocks! I treasure highly my double-disc sets of bach's organ fugues > (cue many-an-'organ'-joke from Dano...;-) Are these Peter Hurford's set on London, by any chance? I've actually stopped buying a lot of organ recordings...sure there's still lots I could buy, but it's often expensive imports, and I seem to have decided that I'd much rather hear it live. Although, the only music that's supposed to be played at Jewish funerals is that supplied by the cantor. Even if it were my deathbed request (to the Bach piece), I don't think it would go down well. > E Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 6:46 pm Subject: Wasting time ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Just for fun, I was looking our buddies in an online phone book. Here's a few I found: 1 FRANKE CHRIS COLUMBUS OH 2 FRANKE CHRIS HARDIN IL 3 FRANKE LESTER & CHRIS DENMARK WI 4 FRANKE CURT & CHRIS LA PLATA MO 5 FRANKE CHRIS A SAINT PAUL MN 6 FRANKE CHRIS A SAINT PAUL MN 7 FRANKE CHRIS LITTLETON CO 8 FRANKE CHRIS TYLER TX 16 FROESE E CAMPBELL CA 14 FROESE MONICA ADDISON ME 31 BAUMANN JAMES SAINT PETER MN 32 BAUMANN PETER COLORADO SPRINGS CO 33 BAUMANN PETER & TRUDI GILBERT AZ 34 BAUMANN PETER J & MARGARETE HAYWARD CA 35 BAUMANN PETER J WENATCHEE WA 36 BAUMANN PETER GRESHAM OR 37 BAUMANN PETER SOUTH LAKE TAHOE CA 38 BAUMANN PETER & JULIE PALO ALTO CA 1 HASLINGER PAUL AKRON NY 2 HASLINGER PAUL HOLLYWOOD FL 3 HASLINGER PAUL E FREMONT OH Still with me? It's funny, but there was a Chris Franke, Peter Baumann and E Froese all within 100 miles of each other in Ohio. Perhaps I should contact them and try to get them to play together as a '70s TD reunion! Maybe I should get back to work. :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 6:39 pm Subject: RE: Pink & Blue: 70-73 & 83-87, or 70-74 & 84-87? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: joelm@b... I would say you are correct in the dates you came up with. There is no mention of the dates on the 'pink' and 'blue' discs, but in the 1995 release 'Book of Dreams' it defines the 'Pink Years' as 1970-1973 and the 'Blue Years' as 1983-1987 ----Original Message----- >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >To: tadream@c... >Subject: Pink & Blue: 70-73 & 83-87, or 70-74 & 84-87? >Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 11:59 AM > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Hi, > What are the actual dates for the Pink and Blue Years? Figuring >the dates of the albums, I'd say that Pink is 1970-1973, since GREEN >DESERT is from 1973, and that the Blue is 1983-1987, since POLAND is >from 1983--even though HYPERBOREA is also from 1983. I ask this because >on the TDI website, there is the following at the webpage with the URL >: > >The ¤Pink Years– (1970-1974) > Electronic Meditation | Alpha Centauri | Zeit | Atem | Green Desert > >The ¤Virgin Years– (1973-1983) > Phaedra | Rubycon | Ricochet | Stratosfear | Sorcerer | Encore | Cyclone | > Force Majeure | Pergamon (Quichotte) | Tangram | Exit | Thief | White Eagle | > Logos - Live at the Dominion | Hyperborea > >The ¤Blue Years– (1984-1987) > Poland - The Warsaw Concert | Le Parc | Dream Sequence | Underwater Sunlight > > -- Steven Feldman >+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + >| 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | >| 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me | >+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 7:08 pm Subject: RE: BOOK OF DREAMS and THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: joelm@b... As you know in 'Book of Dreams' Disc 1 has both Blue and Pink songs on it. The first 7 songs are 'Pink' and do match the first 7 songs on disc 1 of Dream Roots but they are not in order and disc 1-Dream roots has 4 more songs on it. (that do not match ANY songs from Book of Dreams.) Disc 2 of BOOK spreads its songs over disc 2,3,4 of ROOTS. The 'Blue' songs from disc 1 of BOOK are spread over disc 3,4 of ROOTS. ALL the songs form BOOK appear on ROOTS somewhere. Just as an aside less than 1/2 the songs that appear on 'The Pink Years' and 'The Blue Years' show up on Dream Roots. Hope that helps! Joel ----Original Message----- >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >To: tadream@c... >Subject: BOOK OF DREAMS and THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION >Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 12:42 PM > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Folks, > Here are two planned entries for my updated TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY. >Let me know if they are inaccurate. (For example, are the two CDs in >the BOOK OF DREAMS set reproduced track-for-track on CDs in THE DREAM >ROOTS COLLECTION, or are all the tracks on BOOK OF DREAMS spread out >over the four CDs of previously-released material differently? I can >verify this when I get home: I don't have the albums on-hand.) > >*95 BOOK OF DREAMS ([Essential Records] 2 CDs; Virgin *remixes; 12-p booklet) >*96 THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set; *1 all-new CD; 2 CDs dup BOOK OF D) > > -- Steven Feldman >------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ >TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | >------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: TANGERINE DREAM POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 7.5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, Once again, if you find any errors below, please contact me. -- Steven Feldman --------------------------------cut here-------------------------------- TANGERINE DREAM POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 7.5, by Steven Feldman (5/22/98): +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | KEY: the first number indicates quality level: 1 for worst, 10 for best | | --the 2nd number refers to the year; e.g., 70 indicates a 1970 release. | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ 4 70 ELECTRONIC MEDITATION (gatefold cover w/ balloon attached in Ohr ed.) 5 71 ALPHA CENTAURI (gatefold cover for Ohr Records ed; no US vinyl until '87) 4 72 ZEIT (2-Record Set) (pic-insert in Ohr Records ed; no US vinyl until '87) 5 73 ATEM (packaged w/ ALPHA CENTAURI in UK in '76; no US vinyl until 1987) 6 GREEN DESERT (remixed & 1st rel. as platter 6 of IN THE BEGINNING in '86) 7 74 PHAEDRA (gatefold cover) 6 74 AQUA (gatefold cover) [Edgar Froese 'solo' programmed by Chris Franke(!)] 10 75 RUBYCON (gatefold cover) 9 76 STRATOSFEAR (title-less gatefold cover with clear title sticker) 7 78 CYCLONE (gatefold cover; inside is a pic of Franke, Froese, and Jolliffe) 9 79 FORCE MAJEURE (clear vinyl with sticker on cover and vanity label) 9 80 TANGRAM (vanity label; color photos of tangrams on thick inner sleeve) 9 81 EXIT (diff. cover: poster of back cover of US release is inside UK vers.) 8 82 WHITE EAGLE (vanity label; never on vinyl in the US; 1st US CD in 1994) 6 83 HYPERBOREA (vanity label; never on vinyl in the US; 1st US CD rel in '94) 9 85 LE PARC 6 86 UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT 5 87 TYGER (lyrics on inner sleeve; CD adds 2 tracks; 1992 remix adds 1 more) 3 88 OPTICAL RACE (die-cut cover with reversable cardboard vanity sleeve) 6 89 LILY ON THE BEACH (the last US TD release with commercially issued vinyl) 8 90 MELROSE 6 92 ROCKOON (orig. UK rel. on Volt Records has diff. (blue & yellow) cover) 6 QUINOA (fan club issue in 1992; additional tracks added for 1998 release) 8 94 TURN OF THE TIDES ('96 UK CD on TDI has bonus track 'Story of the Brave') 7 95 TYRANNY OF BEAUTY (UK CDs on Amp, & then TDI, have bonus track 'Quasar') 6 96 GOBLINS' CLUB (Australia CD has 'Fort Worth Runway One' instead of 'Elf') 5 97 AMBIENT MONKEYS (out only in Europe, so far; ambient pre-concert sounds) ? 98 LION'S SHARE LIVE ALBUMS (no covers except for THREE PHASE & 9 mins. of LIVE MILES): 7 75 RICOCHET (first pressings came with an insert) 7 77 ENCORE (2-Record Set; gatefold cover; first US CD release in 1994) 7 80 QUICHOTTE (Amiga Records, East Berlin only) [later re-issued as...] 7 PERGAMON (re-issue of QUICHOTTE; released world-wide in 1986) 6 82 LOGOS--LIVE AT THE DOMINION (no vinyl in the US; 1st US [CD] rel in 1994) 7 84 POLAND (2-Record Set) (vanity inner sleeves; also available as pic disks) 5 88 LIVE MILES (UK CD has slightly different cover) 6 93 220 VOLT LIVE (the video/LD THREE PHASE shares no tracks: diff. concerts) 6 THREE PHASE (video/LaserDisk; 1/2 the tracks are covers of studio tracks) 5 97 TOURNADO (gold foil on booklet; clear tray; all tracks are covers) ? 98 DREAM ENCORES ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK RECORDINGS: 7 77 SORCERER (first US CD release in 1994) 7 80 THIEF (US vers. has 'Confrontation,' other versions have 'Beach Scene') 8 83 WAVELENGTH 5 RISKY BUSINESS (only half is by TD; 1st LP pressing is different & rare) 7*84 THE KEEP (brief rel. in 1984; *ltd. ed. rel. in 1997; wide rel. in 1998?) 6 FLASHPOINT (also available as a pic disk or with movie synopsis insert) 8 FIRESTARTER (LP on MCA in 1984; CD on Varese Sarabande in 1992) 9 THE PARK IS MINE (released for the first time in 1992) 8 85 HEARTBREAKERS (German-only release, until 1995; then on Silva) ? FORBIDDEN (TV soundtrack; scheduled for 1998 release) ? RED HEAT (scheduled for 1998 release) 3*86 LEGEND (Euro soundtrack & CD by Jerry Goldmsith; US sndtrck & CD* by TD) 7 87 CANYON DREAMS (video differs from CD version, which was released in 1991) 2 THREE O'CLOCK HIGH (only half is by TD) 6 NEAR DARK (US version has photo cover, UK & European have painted cover) 4 SHY PEOPLE (photo montage on US & german covers; boat photo on UK cover) 3 DEADLY CARE (released for the first time in 1992) ? 88 RED NIGHTS (scheduled for 1998 release) 7 89 MIRACLE MILE (unavailable on LP in the USA except as a promo) 4 DESTINATION BERLIN (German-only release) 8 DEAD SOLID PERFECT (released for the first time in 1991) 4 CATCH ME IF YOU CAN (released for the first time in 1994) 5 90 L'AFFAIRE WALLRAFF (a/k/a THE MAN INSIDE) (French-only release) 6 92 RUMPELSTILTSKIN (US in long-box w/ poster; Japanese has narration 2nd) 6 94 ZONING (video sndtrck; 1st rel. in 1996; w/ white tray & 12-page booklet) 8 97 OASIS (video soundtrack; clear tray; different cover & bonus track in US) 3 JIM & PABLO: DER METEOR (child's story dramatized in German; music by TD) - 98 LUMINOUS VISIONS (video sndtrck; comes w/ free CD [not sold separately]) ? TRANSSIBERIA COMPILATIONS: 6*80 TANGERINE DREAM '70-'80 (4-Record Set) (booklet; *1 non-LP side plus 1) - 85 DREAM SEQUENCE (3-Record Set) [Virgin Records] (double-gatefold; booklet) - 86 IN THE BEGINNING (6-Record Set) (booklet; first pressing of GREEN DESERT) - 87 THE COLLECTION (2-Record Set) [Castle Communications] (gatefold cover) - 89 THE BEST OF TANGERINE DREAM (2-Rec Set) [later re-packaged as...] (no gf) - 91 FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK--TANGERINE DREAM--1973-88 (single-CD rehash of above) 6*92 THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF TANGERINE DREAM (*two previously-unreleased tracks) - DREAM MUSIC ([Silva Screen] soundtrack compilation: DSP, TPiM, Deadly C.) - THE STORY OF TANGERINE DREAM (German [Jive] 2-CD compilation, 1969-1988) 7 94 TANGENTS (5-CD Set) (almost entirely remixed, w/ a book & 1 all-new CD) 9 95 THE DREAM MIXES ([Miramar] 6 remixes & 4 all-new tracks; yellow CD tray) 6 BOOK OF DREAMS (2-CD Set of remixes; 12-page booklet; cf THE DREAM ROOTS) 7* DREAM MUSIC 2 ([Silva Screen] sndtrck comp *w/4 TD tracks by other bands) - 96 ATMOSPHERICS [another comp of Pink (70-73) and Blue (83-87) Years stuff] 9 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of 95 rel has diff cover and a 2nd disk) 6*96 THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5 CDs [1 new]; *remixes; book; cf BOOK OF DR) - TANGERINE DREAM (all of PHAEDRA, 'Rubycon Pt. 1,' STRATOSFEAR title track - 97 THE BRICK (ROCKOON, 220v, TURN, TYRANNY & D MIXES; box w/ coup for postr) 7 TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II (remixes various tunes, not specific tracks) - THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES (video containing material from THE DREAM MIXES) - 98 ASTRAL LANDSCAPES (2-CD set) - THE ANALOGUE SPACE YEARS (UK 2-CD comp. w/ slipcase and ltd. ed. poster) - THE PINK YEARS ([Castle Communications, UK] comp of material 1970-1973) - THE BLUE YEARS ([Castle Communications, UK] comp of material 1983-1987) PETER BAUMANN (1972-1977) solos: 9 76 ROMANCE '76 6 79 TRANS-HARMONIC NIGHTS (never released in the US) 2 82 REPEAT REPEAT (two-sided, glossy, 12' x 12' lyric sheet) 1 83 STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT - 96 PHASE BY PHASE ([{UK} Virgin Vault] compilation) CHRISTOPH(ER) FRANKE (1971-1989) solos: 7 91 PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY ? McBAIN (limited release soundtrack from Chris' Sonic Images label) 3 92 UNIVERSAL SOLDIER (soundtrack composed by but not played by Franke) 5 93 THE LONDON CONCERT (live, w/ 3 covers [Vermillion Sands=Taking the Park]) 4 NEW MUSIC FOR FILMS, VOL. 1 (sndtrck comp; mostly previously unreleased) 8 KLEMANIA (ltd ed; 1995 ed has different [better] mix & different booklet) ? 94 RAVEN (TV soundtrack; limited edition CD in 1994; released widely in '96) 4* ENCHANTING NATURE (PCH remixed; *4 new tracks) [from The Nature Company] 8 BABYLON 5 (ltd ed sndtrck; '95 ed adds 3 trax, diff booklet & tray photo) ? 96 NIGHT OF THE RUNNING MAN (cabl TV sndtrck; w/ Berlin Symphonic Film Orch) 3 THE CELESTINE PROPHESY (based on the book) ? TENCHI MUYO IN LOVE--THE MOVIE (sndtrck to Japanimation movie; digipak) ? PERRY RHODAN: PAX TERRA (inspired by a series of sci-fi novels) 5 97 BABYLON 5, VOLUME 2: MESSAGES FROM EARTH (second CD from the TV series) ? TRANSFORMATION OF MIND (narration by Deepak Chopra, music by Franke) ? BABYLON 5: SEVERED DREAMS (show #310 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: A LATE DELIVERY FROM AVALON (show #312 soundtrck; SI/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: WALKABOUT (show #318 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue) ? BABYLON 5: SHADOW DANCING (show #321 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: Z'HA'DUM (show #322 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue) ? 98 THE BEST OF BABYLON 5 (enhanced CD from B5 ENCYCL. CD-ROM; 2 unrel. trax) ? BABYLON 5: FALL OF NIGHT (show #222 sndtrck; Sonic Images/fan club issue) ? BABYLON 5: INTERLUDES AND EXAMINATIONS (show #315 soundtrck; SI/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: INTO THE FIRE (show #406 sndtrck; Sonic Images/fan club issue) ? BABYLON 5: NO SURRENDER, NO RETREAT (show #415 sndtrck; Sonic I/fan club) ? BABYLON 5: FACE OF THE ENEMY (show #417 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fn club) ? BABYLON 5: THE RAGGED EDGE (show #513 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club) ? TARZAN AND THE LOST CITY EDGAR FROESE (1967-present; founder/leader of TD) solos: 6 74 AQUA (gatefold cover) 10 75 EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE (gatefold cover) 9* ELECTRONIC DREAMS (comp from above 2 LPs; *M. Bay is recorded backwards!) 6 76 MACULA TRANSFER (gatefold cover; not on CD; never released in the US) 5 78 AGES (2-Record Set; gatefold cover; not on CD; never released in the US) 8 79 STUNTMAN (photo-montage cardboard inner sleeve) 7*79 SOLO 1974-1979 (compilation featuring superior *remixes of many cuts) 7 83 KAMIKAZE 1989 (soundtrack; never released in the US) 6 PINNACLES (vanity label; never released in the US) 7 95 BEYOND THE STORM (2-CD Set; 1/2 is remixes of previously-released stuff) (PAUL) HASLINGER (1986-1990) solos: [See also LIGHTWAVE and COMA VIRUS (other bands featuring Haslinger), listings for which follow the Tributes to Tangerine Dream section.] 6 94 FUTURE PRIMITIVE 3 96 WORLD WITHOUT RULES JOHANNES SCHMOELLING (1980-1986) solos: 8 86 WUIVEND RIET [English: 'Wind-Blown Reeds'] 5 88 THE ZOO OF TRANQUILLITY (rel on defunct Polydor sub-label Theta; no US r) 7 90 WHITE OUT (German-only release) ? 94 ZAUBERGEIGER SETTEMBRINI (narr by Martin Burkhardt, music by Schmoelling) 8 95 SONGS NO WORDS (not released in the US) TRIBUTES TO TANGERINE DREAM (Tangerine Dream Tribute Albums) 5*95 DREAM MUSIC 2 ([Silva Screen] sndtrck comp; includes *tracks by others) ? 96 TANGERINE AMBIENCE--A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM (Hypnotic [Cleopatra]) 4 THE KEEP by the Fantasy Merchants (German; tracks from 6 diff TD sndtrks) ? 97 TANGERINE AMBIENCE II (Hypnotic Records [Cleopatra]) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ LIGHTWAVE (only Lightwave releases with Haslinger are listed) 6 94 TYCHO BRAHE [pronounced 'TIE-co BRAY' (named after the astronomer)] 3 95 MUNDUS SUBTERRANEUS COMA VIRUS ? 96 HIDDEN ? 97 DE UMBRIS IDEARUM (on the Side Effects label) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri May 22, 1998 9:57 pm Subject: off topic: help ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> anyone out there know how to buy research/term papers on the web? if so, please contact me off-line lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: I Have 900 Lines of TD-related Articles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi, I *finally* cleaned up some downloads of Tangerine Dream-related articles I got from the NEXIS/LEXIS pay database service three years ago. They total 900 lines of text. I sent a copy of the entire thing to Scott Plumer, so you can ask him his opinion of what I should do with it all. (Where *does* one archive TD-related stuff these days???) Anyways, below is the stuff that *I* found interesting: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + USA TODAY, December 6, 1994, Tuesday, FINAL EDITION SECTION: LIFE; Pg. 8D HEADLINE: Boxed sets play to musical memories / Sample the roots of rock, synth sound and the industrial offbeat BYLINE: Edna Gundersen (. . .) Tangerine Dream, Tangents 1973-1983 (Virgin, 59 tracks, 5 CDs, $ 59.95). Tangerine's groundbreaking electronic soundscapes aren't for synth fetishists only. The Berlin group, founded in 1967, sold 10 million albums, paved the way for hot ambient/house acts like the Orb and Aphex Twin and influenced everything from the mind-numbing cadence of disco to the sonic beatfests of rap. Remastered by Dream leader Edgar Froese using new technology, the set, with 12 re-recorded tunes, boasts spectacularly crisp sound quality. Though incomplete (it excludes material before and after their Virgin Records years, including debut album Electronic Meditation), the set captures their prime in three discs of studio work, one of soundtrack material and one of previously unreleased tracks. (. . .) Billboard, May 22, 1993 SECTION: FRANCE; Spotlight; Pg. F4 HEADLINE: Around The French Companies; DREYFUS SIGNS PETRUCCIANI, MARCUS MILLER FOR HIS JAZZ LINE (. . .) Girl singer Enzo Enzo is also winning acceptance abroad, having completed a successful tour of Japan; and the Basque group Oio, whose melodic music has been compared to that of Tangerine Dream, sold 50,000 copies of the 'Anima' album in Germany. (. . .) USA TODAY, August 30, 1990, Thursday, FINAL EDITION SECTION: LIFE; Pg. 2D HEADLINE: A sneak peek at 'Chukker' BYLINE: Jeannie Williams Aspen's celebrity crowd has been invited to a Labor Day weekend screening of The Great Chukker, which producer/director Larry Spangler calls the first ''rock-doc(umentary)'' on polo, with music by Tangerine Dream. Goldie Hawn, Kurt Russell, Don Johnson and Danny Sullivan have been invited for the sneak peek. Spangler's film, due by Christmas, has its own share of stars: famed 10- goal Mexican polo player Memo Gracida, actor/player William Devane and socialite Marylou Whitney. Devane chats in the film about days when polo was big in Hollywood. ''Will Rogers had a field at his house ... and Walt Disney kept a stable of horses for friends to use.'' Devane adds that polo ''keeps you on the edge all the time ... important if you are an artist.'' Sylvester Stallone, he says, is ''a wonderful player -- strikes well, rides well.'' Prince Charles also appears in clips as a very young player and from 1988 -- saying so far he'd been lucky enough not to break a leg or an arm. He'll get a wry chuckle out of it - he broke his arm in a polo fall two months ago. In the film he says polo, in general, ''shakes up my liver.'' Spangler also is readying an animated, seven-minute cartoon of the Rudyard Kipling story, The Maltese Cat, about polo ponies. It's Charles' favorite story, says Spangler, and will be shown with Chukker. The Washington Post, September 7, 1988, Wednesday, Final Edition SECTION: STYLE; PAGE F7 HEADLINE: Spotlight; The Group With a Synth Of Adventure; Tangerine Dream's Long Electronic Music Quest BYLINE: Mike Joyce, Special to The Washington Post Synthesist Edgar Froese, the founder of Tangerine Dream, remembers all too well the response the group received at its debut performance in Berlin in 1969, including the 'apples, oranges and bananas' that pelted the stage. Although the concert was scheduled to run for 1 1/2 hours, the response was so negative that the band walked off stage after only 20 minutes. (. . .) 'I realized when [new age music] came on the market four or five years ago that it would be commercially successful,' he explains in a thick German accent. 'But I also knew that many people would understand that music to be coming from someone who had just smoked a ton of marijuana and was pressing down three keys. That's exactly what we're not into ... If you have something to say musically, it's important not to lose sight of that.' Froese's disdain for music designed as some sort of sonic backdrop or yuppie therapy can be traced back to the band's first album, 'Electronic Meditations,' which in spite of its title was more stormy than soothing. Synthesist Claus Shulze, then the drummer, dubbed it the 'punk album of electronic music,' and Froese is delighted that it's become something of a cult hit in England recently. 'It was wild,' he concedes. 'An experiment against everything. Maybe it had the same root that punk came from. You stand up and you're against everything -- the establishment, some social movements, tastes in music, the mainstream. And you say, 'Okay, let's turn everything upside down and start again.' ' West Germany was a particularly healthy incubator for electronic music, Froese believes. After all, he says, there was no native rock tradition to draw on. Nearly everyone who took up music seriously was classically trained, and while many, including Froese, were drawn to rock and blues, in the end those styles always sounded alien to their own culture. 'That's why so many German rock bands sound too German,' he says, laughing. The turning point for Froese came when he opened a couple of concerts for Hendrix. 'I really saw, just a few feet away, what he did, but I never figured out how he did it.' More importantly, Froese says, Hendrix showed him that 'music doesn't have to follow along the same known routes, that you can leave those routes and get something entirely different out of it. It's sort of like traveling in open space.' (. . .) 'The films help pay our bills,' he says flatly. 'We've never had a Top 10 hit in America, and we may never have one. I'm not sure about that. Therefore, the films help us make a living and pay for our equipment ... But touring is something I enjoy. This may be computer music, but we feel a real contact with the audience at our shows. There's this electricity ...' Newsday, September 6, 1988, Tuesday, ALL EDITIONS SECTION: PART II; Pg. 7 HEADLINE: The Dream: Still Human, After 20 Years BYLINE: By Stephen Williams (. . .) 'I personally feel prostituted by new age,' said Froese, shifting about in his seat. 'With few exceptions, there is no quality in what today is called new age. I love rock and roll, where you can feel emotion.' Eddie Van Halen, Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Nicks and Cyndi Lauper are among Froese's favorites, as is Bruce Springsteen, although Froese has yet to see the Boss in performance. 'He is one of the last blood, sweat and tears artists around . . . maybe the last one,' he said. 'If you get touched by it, and thousands of people stand up at the same moment, it must be something other than just three-chord music.' (. . .) The Washington Post, February 2, 1987, Monday, Final Edition SECTION: STYLE; PAGE D1; TV PREVIEW HEADLINE: Singular Pleasures; 'Tonight's the Night': Pickup Bar Froth BYLINE: Tom Shales, Washington Post Staff Writer It's cool and creamy and it takes about two hours to melt. No, not Hamagen- Dazs chocolate chocolate chip. Well, that too. But also the 'ABC Monday Night Movie,' 'Tonight's the Night,' at 9 on Channel 7. What a yummily pleasurable, superficial experience it is. Originally titled 'Single Bars, Single Men,' and thus something of a companion piece to the 1984 ABC movie 'Single Bars, Single Women,' tonight's film follows the 'Grand Hotel' blueprint as it convenes a gaggle of California singles at a smart-deco place called Henry's, all of 'em there in the hope of making longingly desired connections. The script by Steven Humphrey and Sue Grafton does drop expectable buzzwords such as 'commitment' and 'involvement' and 'relationship,' butthe characters come attractively alive and don't just seem like pop-sociological statistics. The director, Bobby Roth, exhibits very nice moves as he maneuvers his searchers around the bar and into and out of one another's beds. (. . .) Much to its benefit, the film is wall to wall with music. Billy and the Beaters, as the band playing at Henry's, perform several friendly tunes. The house deejay (Henry G. Sanders), who also seems to be the only black person in the place, offers a heady stream of balmy Motunes. And additional, if fleeting, background music is supplied by Tangerine Dream. Channel 7 really ought to invest some of its enormous profits in stereocasting equipment if the network is going to send down movies as musical as this. (. . .) Los Angeles Times, July 4, 1986, Friday, Home Edition SECTION: Calendar; Part 6; Page 9; Column 1; Entertainment Desk HEADLINE: 'LEGENDS': TANGERINE DREAM KNOWS THE SCORE BYLINE: By STEVEN SMITH Film music purists despise them. Studio heads view them as the pulse of teen audiences. Whatever your feelings about Tangerine Dream, they're probably extreme. (. . .) 'We got offers from the producers of 'Death Wish' and said no. Whoever wants to see such films can, and we've done films that had violence, but it was shown with a more social aspect. We also turned down the 'Conan' films -- a lot of people thought we were crazy.' As for critics who feel Tangerine Dream's music is mindlessly repetitive, 'believe it or not, I respect them, if they're serious,' Froese said. 'Sure I disagree, but I don't make a lot of noise about it. Obviously it doesn't mean it's the view millions of others have.' The New York Times, June 1, 1986, Sunday, Late City Final Edition SECTION: Section 2; Page 23, Column 1; Arts and Leisure Desk HEADLINE: STEVE REICH, A FORMER YOUNG TURK, APPROACHES 50 BYLINE: By TIM PAGE (. . .) ''I had to learn to write 12-tone music at Juilliard and I greatly resented it,'' he continued. ''I hope that my work won't be used as a recipe for academic music in the conservatories.'' Still, Mr. Reich is pleased that composers such as John Adams and Arvo Paert have admitted a debt to his work. ''They clearly have their own voices, but if my music can be useful to them in any way, then I am delighted.'' He is less happy with some other appropriations. ''I should be receiving royalties for the theme to 'Adam Smith's Money World,' and the whole soundtrack to the film 'Risky Business,' supposedly by a group called Tangerine Dream, was an out and out ripoff of 'Music for 18 Musicians.' I should have sued. ''Still, if I had a dime for every trace of 'The Rite of Spring' I've heard in movie soundtracks, I'd be rich,'' he added. ''I don't think imitations will sap the power of the originals. If anything, because of familiarity with the sound, the original will come through more clearly. It will be approachable, but particularly engaging, focused and musically cogent. Ezra Pound once said that a classic is something that remains news and the best work is capable of re-creating the context of its times.'' (. . .) Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1986 Sunday, FINAL EDITION SECTION: THE ARTS; Pg. 16; ZONE: C HEADLINE: FOR TANGERINE DREAM, HOLLYWOOD CALLS TOO OFTEN TO GET THE SHOW ON THE ROAD BYLINE: By Lynn Van Matre, Pop music critic. (. . .) After 'Thief,' Mann went on to make a bigger mark in television with 'Miami Vice,' featuring a score by Jan Hammer. Does Froese, who arguably helped pioneer the musical strategy that has contributed so much to the success of 'Vice,' feel just a little ripped off that Tangerine Dream didn't get in on the 'Vice' action? 'It's a funny thing about that,' Froese says. 'The truth is that we were supposed to do 'Miami Vice.' But Michael (Mann) was starting the pilot for that show at the same time we had signed up to do the music for another television series called 'Street Hawk.' 'The producer of that show told Michael that we couldn't do 'Vice' because we were doing 'Street Hawk.' As it turned out, that wasn't true at all; we could have done both shows. But we didn't hear about all of this until sometime later, and when we found out we were not very happy. Because, of course, 'Street Hawk' turned out to be a flop and 'Miami Vice' took off. 'But Jan did a fairly good job, and the series got what it needed,' adds Froese. 'So, it's OK.' Today's dance-oriented synth-pop scene is OK with Froese, too--for other people, that is. You won't find him listening to any of it. 'I would not want to say the music is bull----,' he says, 'because a lot of people love it. But it's repetitious, and, to be honest, I have absolutely no interest in it.' (. . .) In the early days of Tangerine Dream, Froese's 'spacey ideas' were, often as not, arrived at with help from psychedelic drugs. These days he takes a pass not only on drugs but on cigarettes and alcohol. 'Today, I even think about whether or not tea and coffee qualify as drugs,' he says with a laugh. 'The funny thing is, most of my friends went the same way that I did,' he adds. 'A few of them eventually killed themselves with drugs, but most of the others figured out that having a clear mind and a clear consciousness is the best of all, because that means that you can be influenced more easily by spiritual forces that can help you more than drugs ever could.' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13902 Re: I Have 900 Lines of TD-related Articles DATMECHANIK Sat 5/23/1998 16 KB 13903 Re: I Have 900 Lines of TD-related Articles DATMECHANIK Sat 5/23/1998 16 KB 13904 Re: I Have 900 Lines of TD-related Articles Vic Rek Sat 5/23/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Whoops, I Forgot the Funniest Quote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman |Los Angeles Times, July 4, 1986, Friday, Home Edition |SECTION: Calendar; Part 6; Page 9; Column 1; Entertainment Desk |HEADLINE: 'LEGENDS': TANGERINE DREAM KNOWS THE SCORE |BYLINE: By STEVEN SMITH | | Film music purists despise them. Studio heads view them as the pulse of |teen audiences. Whatever your feelings about Tangerine Dream, they're |probably extreme. | In films like William Friedkin's 'Sorcerer,' Michael Mann's 'Thief' and |Paul Brickman's 'Risky Business,' the German keyboard group -- made up of |Edgar Froese, Christoph Franke and Paul Haslinger -- has crafted sound tracks |of dense electronic effects that some critics brand hypnotic, others moronic. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Tangerine Death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: szatmari pal However macabre this death music discussion is, I must say that sometimes when I listen to TD I wish I would have the chance to listen to their music when it is time to go or at least run a track in my mind. Maybe this is because the majority of the tracks put me in a certain mood that I wish would last forever and I would like to take it with me wherever I go after I fall. Have you thought about choosing a track for your funeral? Hopi Mesa heart is playing now and it would even be in tune with the creaking sounds of the hearse... Guess which track I would choose for my EXIT from this world... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 23, 1998 1:52 am Subject: Re: I Have 900 Lines of TD-related Articles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'DATMECHANIK' can lawry sim please contact dat mechanik i,ve lost your e mail -----Original Message----- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Date: 23 May 1998 00:04 Subject: I Have 900 Lines of TD-related Articles >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Hi, > I *finally* cleaned up some downloads of Tangerine Dream-related >articles I got from the NEXIS/LEXIS pay database service three years >ago. They total 900 lines of text. I sent a copy of the entire thing >to Scott Plumer, so you can ask him his opinion of what I should do >with it all. (Where *does* one archive TD-related stuff these days???) > Anyways, below is the stuff that *I* found interesting: > > -- Steven Feldman >+ + + + + + + > >USA TODAY, December 6, 1994, Tuesday, FINAL EDITION >SECTION: LIFE; Pg. 8D >HEADLINE: Boxed sets play to musical memories / Sample the roots of rock, >synth sound and the industrial offbeat >BYLINE: Edna Gundersen > >(. . .) > Tangerine Dream, Tangents 1973-1983 (Virgin, 59 tracks, 5 CDs, $ 59.95). >Tangerine's groundbreaking electronic soundscapes aren't for synth fetishists >only. The Berlin group, founded in 1967, sold 10 million albums, paved the way >for hot ambient/house acts like the Orb and Aphex Twin and influenced >everything from the mind-numbing cadence of disco to the sonic beatfests of >rap. > Remastered by Dream leader Edgar Froese using new technology, the set, with >12 re-recorded tunes, boasts spectacularly crisp sound quality. Though >incomplete (it excludes material before and after their Virgin Records years, >including debut album Electronic Meditation), the set captures their prime in >three discs of studio work, one of soundtrack material and one of previously >unreleased tracks. >(. . .) > >Billboard, May 22, 1993 >SECTION: FRANCE; Spotlight; Pg. F4 >HEADLINE: Around The French Companies; >DREYFUS SIGNS PETRUCCIANI, MARCUS MILLER FOR HIS JAZZ LINE > >(. . .) > Girl singer Enzo Enzo is also winning acceptance abroad, having completed a >successful tour of Japan; and the Basque group Oio, whose melodic music has >been compared to that of Tangerine Dream, sold 50,000 copies of the 'Anima' >album in Germany. >(. . .) > >USA TODAY, August 30, 1990, Thursday, FINAL EDITION >SECTION: LIFE; Pg. 2D >HEADLINE: A sneak peek at 'Chukker' >BYLINE: Jeannie Williams > > Aspen's celebrity crowd has been invited to a Labor Day weekend screening >of The Great Chukker, which producer/director Larry Spangler calls the first >''rock-doc(umentary)'' on polo, with music by Tangerine Dream. > Goldie Hawn, Kurt Russell, Don Johnson and Danny Sullivan have been invited >for the sneak peek. > Spangler's film, due by Christmas, has its own share of stars: famed 10- >goal Mexican polo player Memo Gracida, actor/player William Devane and >socialite Marylou Whitney. > Devane chats in the film about days when polo was big in Hollywood. ''Will >Rogers had a field at his house ... and Walt Disney kept a stable of horses >for friends to use.'' > Devane adds that polo ''keeps you on the edge all the time ... important if >you are an artist.'' Sylvester Stallone, he says, is ''a wonderful player -- >strikes well, rides well.'' > Prince Charles also appears in clips as a very young player and from 1988 >-- saying so far he'd been lucky enough not to break a leg or an arm. He'll >get a wry chuckle out of it - he broke his arm in a polo fall two months ago. >In the film he says polo, in general, ''shakes up my liver.'' > Spangler also is readying an animated, seven-minute cartoon of the Rudyard >Kipling story, The Maltese Cat, about polo ponies. It's Charles' favorite >story, says Spangler, and will be shown with Chukker. > >The Washington Post, September 7, 1988, Wednesday, Final Edition >SECTION: STYLE; PAGE F7 >HEADLINE: Spotlight; >The Group With a Synth Of Adventure; >Tangerine Dream's Long Electronic Music Quest >BYLINE: Mike Joyce, Special to The Washington Post > > Synthesist Edgar Froese, the founder of Tangerine Dream, remembers all too >well the response the group received at its debut performance in Berlin in >1969, including the 'apples, oranges and bananas' that pelted the stage. >Although the concert was scheduled to run for 1 1/2 hours, the response was so >negative that the band walked off stage after only 20 minutes. >(. . .) >'I realized when [new age music] came on the market four or five years ago >that it would be commercially successful,' he explains in a thick German >accent. 'But I also knew that many people would understand that music to be >coming from someone who had just smoked a ton of marijuana and was pressing >down three keys. That's exactly what we're not into ... If you have something >to say musically, it's important not to lose sight of that.' > Froese's disdain for music designed as some sort of sonic backdrop or >yuppie therapy can be traced back to the band's first album, 'Electronic >Meditations,' which in spite of its title was more stormy than soothing. >Synthesist Claus Shulze, then the drummer, dubbed it the 'punk album of >electronic music,' and Froese is delighted that it's become something of a >cult hit in England recently. > 'It was wild,' he concedes. 'An experiment against everything. Maybe it had >the same root that punk came from. You stand up and you're against everything >-- the establishment, some social movements, tastes in music, the mainstream. >And you say, 'Okay, let's turn everything upside down and start again.' ' > West Germany was a particularly healthy incubator for electronic music, >Froese believes. After all, he says, there was no native rock tradition to >draw on. Nearly everyone who took up music seriously was classically trained, >and while many, including Froese, were drawn to rock and blues, in the end >those styles always sounded alien to their own culture. 'That's why so many >German rock bands sound too German,' he says, laughing. > The turning point for Froese came when he opened a couple of concerts for >Hendrix. 'I really saw, just a few feet away, what he did, but I never figured >out how he did it.' More importantly, Froese says, Hendrix showed him that >'music doesn't have to follow along the same known routes, that you can leave >those routes and get something entirely different out of it. It's sort of like >traveling in open space.' >(. . .) > 'The films help pay our bills,' he says flatly. 'We've never had a Top 10 >hit in America, and we may never have one. I'm not sure about that. Therefore, >the films help us make a living and pay for our equipment ... But touring is >something I enjoy. This may be computer music, but we feel a real contact with >the audience at our shows. There's this electricity ...' > >Newsday, September 6, 1988, Tuesday, ALL EDITIONS >SECTION: PART II; Pg. 7 >HEADLINE: The Dream: Still Human, After 20 Years >BYLINE: By Stephen Williams > >(. . .) > 'I personally feel prostituted by new age,' said Froese, shifting about in >his seat. 'With few exceptions, there is no quality in what today is called >new age. I love rock and roll, where you can feel emotion.' Eddie Van Halen, >Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Nicks and Cyndi Lauper are among Froese's favorites, as >is Bruce Springsteen, although Froese has yet to see the Boss in performance. > 'He is one of the last blood, sweat and tears artists around . . . maybe >the last one,' he said. 'If you get touched by it, and thousands of people >stand up at the same moment, it must be something other than just three-chord >music.' >(. . .) > >The Washington Post, February 2, 1987, Monday, Final Edition >SECTION: STYLE; PAGE D1; TV PREVIEW >HEADLINE: Singular Pleasures; >'Tonight's the Night': Pickup Bar Froth >BYLINE: Tom Shales, Washington Post Staff Writer > > It's cool and creamy and it takes about two hours to melt. No, not Hamagen- >Dazs chocolate chocolate chip. Well, that too. But also the 'ABC Monday Night >Movie,' 'Tonight's the Night,' at 9 on Channel 7. What a yummily >pleasurable, superficial experience it is. > Originally titled 'Single Bars, Single Men,' and thus something of a >companion piece to the 1984 ABC movie 'Single Bars, Single Women,' tonight's >film follows the 'Grand Hotel' blueprint as it convenes a gaggle of California >singles at a smart-deco place called Henry's, all of 'em there in the hope of >making longingly desired connections. > The script by Steven Humphrey and Sue Grafton does drop expectable >buzzwords such as 'commitment' and 'involvement' and 'relationship,' butthe >characters come attractively alive and don't just seem like pop-sociological >statistics. The director, Bobby Roth, exhibits very nice moves as he maneuvers >his searchers around the bar and into and out of one another's beds. >(. . .) >Much to its benefit, the film is wall to wall with music. Billy and the >Beaters, as the band playing at Henry's, perform several friendly tunes. The >house deejay (Henry G. Sanders), who also seems to be the only black person in >the place, offers a heady stream of balmy Motunes. And additional, if >fleeting, background music is supplied by Tangerine Dream. Channel 7 really >ought to invest some of its enormous profits in stereocasting equipment if the >network is going to send down movies as musical as this. >(. . .) > >Los Angeles Times, July 4, 1986, Friday, Home Edition >SECTION: Calendar; Part 6; Page 9; Column 1; Entertainment Desk >HEADLINE: 'LEGENDS': TANGERINE DREAM KNOWS THE SCORE >BYLINE: By STEVEN SMITH > > Film music purists despise them. Studio heads view them as the pulse of >teen audiences. Whatever your feelings about Tangerine Dream, they're >probably extreme. >(. . .) > 'We got offers from the producers of 'Death Wish' and said no. Whoever >wants to see such films can, and we've done films that had violence, but it >was shown with a more social aspect. We also turned down the 'Conan' films -- >a lot of people thought we were crazy.' > As for critics who feel Tangerine Dream's music is mindlessly repetitive, >'believe it or not, I respect them, if they're serious,' Froese said. 'Sure I >disagree, but I don't make a lot of noise about it. Obviously it doesn't mean >it's the view millions of others have.' > >The New York Times, June 1, 1986, Sunday, Late City Final Edition >SECTION: Section 2; Page 23, Column 1; Arts and Leisure Desk >HEADLINE: STEVE REICH, A FORMER YOUNG TURK, APPROACHES 50 >BYLINE: By TIM PAGE > >(. . .) > ''I had to learn to write 12-tone music at Juilliard and I greatly resented >it,'' he continued. ''I hope that my work won't be used as a recipe for >academic music in the conservatories.'' Still, Mr. Reich is pleased that >composers such as John Adams and Arvo Paert have admitted a debt to his work. >''They clearly have their own voices, but if my music can be useful to them in >any way, then I am delighted.'' > He is less happy with some other appropriations. ''I should be receiving >royalties for the theme to 'Adam Smith's Money World,' and the whole >soundtrack to the film 'Risky Business,' supposedly by a group called >Tangerine Dream, was an out and out ripoff of 'Music for 18 Musicians.' I >should have sued. > ''Still, if I had a dime for every trace of 'The Rite of Spring' I've heard >in movie soundtracks, I'd be rich,'' he added. ''I don't think imitations will >sap the power of the originals. If anything, because of familiarity with the >sound, the original will come through more clearly. It will be approachable, >but particularly engaging, focused and musically cogent. Ezra Pound once said >that a classic is something that remains news and the best work is capable of >re-creating the context of its times.'' >(. . .) > >Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1986 Sunday, FINAL EDITION >SECTION: THE ARTS; Pg. 16; ZONE: C >HEADLINE: FOR TANGERINE DREAM, HOLLYWOOD CALLS TOO OFTEN TO GET THE SHOW >ON THE ROAD >BYLINE: By Lynn Van Matre, Pop music critic. > >(. . .) > After 'Thief,' Mann went on to make a bigger mark in television with >'Miami Vice,' featuring a score by Jan Hammer. Does Froese, who arguably >helped pioneer the musical strategy that has contributed so much to the >success of 'Vice,' feel just a little ripped off that Tangerine Dream didn't >get in on the 'Vice' action? > 'It's a funny thing about that,' Froese says. 'The truth is that we >were supposed to do 'Miami Vice.' But Michael (Mann) was starting the pilot >for that show at the same time we had signed up to do the music for another >television series called 'Street Hawk.' > 'The producer of that show told Michael that we couldn't do 'Vice' >because we were doing 'Street Hawk.' As it turned out, that wasn't true at >all; we could have done both shows. But we didn't hear about all of this until >sometime later, and when we found out we were not very happy. Because, of >course, 'Street Hawk' turned out to be a flop and 'Miami Vice' took off. > 'But Jan did a fairly good job, and the series got what it needed,' >adds Froese. 'So, it's OK.' > Today's dance-oriented synth-pop scene is OK with Froese, too--for other >people, that is. You won't find him listening to any of it. > 'I would not want to say the music is bull----,' he says, 'because a >lot of people love it. But it's repetitious, and, to be honest, I have >absolutely no interest in it.' >(. . .) >In the early days of Tangerine Dream, Froese's 'spacey ideas' were, often as >not, arrived at with help from psychedelic drugs. These days he takes a pass >not only on drugs but on cigarettes and alcohol. 'Today, I even think about >whether or not tea and coffee qualify as drugs,' he says with a laugh. > 'The funny thing is, most of my friends went the same way that I did,' >he adds. 'A few of them eventually killed themselves with drugs, but most of >the others figured out that having a clear mind and a clear consciousness is >the best of all, because that means that you can be influenced more easily by >spiritual forces that can help you more than drugs ever could.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 23, 1998 1:53 am Subject: Re: I Have 900 Lines of TD-related Articles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'DATMECHANIK' any one interested in a bootleg vid from shepards bush 97 -----Original Message----- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Date: 23 May 1998 00:04 Subject: I Have 900 Lines of TD-related Articles >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >Hi, > I *finally* cleaned up some downloads of Tangerine Dream-related >articles I got from the NEXIS/LEXIS pay database service three years >ago. They total 900 lines of text. I sent a copy of the entire thing >to Scott Plumer, so you can ask him his opinion of what I should do >with it all. (Where *does* one archive TD-related stuff these days???) > Anyways, below is the stuff that *I* found interesting: > > -- Steven Feldman >+ + + + + + + > >USA TODAY, December 6, 1994, Tuesday, FINAL EDITION >SECTION: LIFE; Pg. 8D >HEADLINE: Boxed sets play to musical memories / Sample the roots of rock, >synth sound and the industrial offbeat >BYLINE: Edna Gundersen > >(. . .) > Tangerine Dream, Tangents 1973-1983 (Virgin, 59 tracks, 5 CDs, $ 59.95). >Tangerine's groundbreaking electronic soundscapes aren't for synth fetishists >only. The Berlin group, founded in 1967, sold 10 million albums, paved the way >for hot ambient/house acts like the Orb and Aphex Twin and influenced >everything from the mind-numbing cadence of disco to the sonic beatfests of >rap. > Remastered by Dream leader Edgar Froese using new technology, the set, with >12 re-recorded tunes, boasts spectacularly crisp sound quality. Though >incomplete (it excludes material before and after their Virgin Records years, >including debut album Electronic Meditation), the set captures their prime in >three discs of studio work, one of soundtrack material and one of previously >unreleased tracks. >(. . .) > >Billboard, May 22, 1993 >SECTION: FRANCE; Spotlight; Pg. F4 >HEADLINE: Around The French Companies; >DREYFUS SIGNS PETRUCCIANI, MARCUS MILLER FOR HIS JAZZ LINE > >(. . .) > Girl singer Enzo Enzo is also winning acceptance abroad, having completed a >successful tour of Japan; and the Basque group Oio, whose melodic music has >been compared to that of Tangerine Dream, sold 50,000 copies of the 'Anima' >album in Germany. >(. . .) > >USA TODAY, August 30, 1990, Thursday, FINAL EDITION >SECTION: LIFE; Pg. 2D >HEADLINE: A sneak peek at 'Chukker' >BYLINE: Jeannie Williams > > Aspen's celebrity crowd has been invited to a Labor Day weekend screening >of The Great Chukker, which producer/director Larry Spangler calls the first >''rock-doc(umentary)'' on polo, with music by Tangerine Dream. > Goldie Hawn, Kurt Russell, Don Johnson and Danny Sullivan have been invited >for the sneak peek. > Spangler's film, due by Christmas, has its own share of stars: famed 10- >goal Mexican polo player Memo Gracida, actor/player William Devane and >socialite Marylou Whitney. > Devane chats in the film about days when polo was big in Hollywood. ''Will >Rogers had a field at his house ... and Walt Disney kept a stable of horses >for friends to use.'' > Devane adds that polo ''keeps you on the edge all the time ... important if >you are an artist.'' Sylvester Stallone, he says, is ''a wonderful player -- >strikes well, rides well.'' > Prince Charles also appears in clips as a very young player and from 1988 >-- saying so far he'd been lucky enough not to break a leg or an arm. He'll >get a wry chuckle out of it - he broke his arm in a polo fall two months ago. >In the film he says polo, in general, ''shakes up my liver.'' > Spangler also is readying an animated, seven-minute cartoon of the Rudyard >Kipling story, The Maltese Cat, about polo ponies. It's Charles' favorite >story, says Spangler, and will be shown with Chukker. > >The Washington Post, September 7, 1988, Wednesday, Final Edition >SECTION: STYLE; PAGE F7 >HEADLINE: Spotlight; >The Group With a Synth Of Adventure; >Tangerine Dream's Long Electronic Music Quest >BYLINE: Mike Joyce, Special to The Washington Post > > Synthesist Edgar Froese, the founder of Tangerine Dream, remembers all too >well the response the group received at its debut performance in Berlin in >1969, including the 'apples, oranges and bananas' that pelted the stage. >Although the concert was scheduled to run for 1 1/2 hours, the response was so >negative that the band walked off stage after only 20 minutes. >(. . .) >'I realized when [new age music] came on the market four or five years ago >that it would be commercially successful,' he explains in a thick German >accent. 'But I also knew that many people would understand that music to be >coming from someone who had just smoked a ton of marijuana and was pressing >down three keys. That's exactly what we're not into ... If you have something >to say musically, it's important not to lose sight of that.' > Froese's disdain for music designed as some sort of sonic backdrop or >yuppie therapy can be traced back to the band's first album, 'Electronic >Meditations,' which in spite of its title was more stormy than soothing. >Synthesist Claus Shulze, then the drummer, dubbed it the 'punk album of >electronic music,' and Froese is delighted that it's become something of a >cult hit in England recently. > 'It was wild,' he concedes. 'An experiment against everything. Maybe it had >the same root that punk came from. You stand up and you're against everything >-- the establishment, some social movements, tastes in music, the mainstream. >And you say, 'Okay, let's turn everything upside down and start again.' ' > West Germany was a particularly healthy incubator for electronic music, >Froese believes. After all, he says, there was no native rock tradition to >draw on. Nearly everyone who took up music seriously was classically trained, >and while many, including Froese, were drawn to rock and blues, in the end >those styles always sounded alien to their own culture. 'That's why so many >German rock bands sound too German,' he says, laughing. > The turning point for Froese came when he opened a couple of concerts for >Hendrix. 'I really saw, just a few feet away, what he did, but I never figured >out how he did it.' More importantly, Froese says, Hendrix showed him that >'music doesn't have to follow along the same known routes, that you can leave >those routes and get something entirely different out of it. It's sort of like >traveling in open space.' >(. . .) > 'The films help pay our bills,' he says flatly. 'We've never had a Top 10 >hit in America, and we may never have one. I'm not sure about that. Therefore, >the films help us make a living and pay for our equipment ... But touring is >something I enjoy. This may be computer music, but we feel a real contact with >the audience at our shows. There's this electricity ...' > >Newsday, September 6, 1988, Tuesday, ALL EDITIONS >SECTION: PART II; Pg. 7 >HEADLINE: The Dream: Still Human, After 20 Years >BYLINE: By Stephen Williams > >(. . .) > 'I personally feel prostituted by new age,' said Froese, shifting about in >his seat. 'With few exceptions, there is no quality in what today is called >new age. I love rock and roll, where you can feel emotion.' Eddie Van Halen, >Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Nicks and Cyndi Lauper are among Froese's favorites, as >is Bruce Springsteen, although Froese has yet to see the Boss in performance. > 'He is one of the last blood, sweat and tears artists around . . . maybe >the last one,' he said. 'If you get touched by it, and thousands of people >stand up at the same moment, it must be something other than just three-chord >music.' >(. . .) > >The Washington Post, February 2, 1987, Monday, Final Edition >SECTION: STYLE; PAGE D1; TV PREVIEW >HEADLINE: Singular Pleasures; >'Tonight's the Night': Pickup Bar Froth >BYLINE: Tom Shales, Washington Post Staff Writer > > It's cool and creamy and it takes about two hours to melt. No, not Hamagen- >Dazs chocolate chocolate chip. Well, that too. But also the 'ABC Monday Night >Movie,' 'Tonight's the Night,' at 9 on Channel 7. What a yummily >pleasurable, superficial experience it is. > Originally titled 'Single Bars, Single Men,' and thus something of a >companion piece to the 1984 ABC movie 'Single Bars, Single Women,' tonight's >film follows the 'Grand Hotel' blueprint as it convenes a gaggle of California >singles at a smart-deco place called Henry's, all of 'em there in the hope of >making longingly desired connections. > The script by Steven Humphrey and Sue Grafton does drop expectable >buzzwords such as 'commitment' and 'involvement' and 'relationship,' butthe >characters come attractively alive and don't just seem like pop-sociological >statistics. The director, Bobby Roth, exhibits very nice moves as he maneuvers >his searchers around the bar and into and out of one another's beds. >(. . .) >Much to its benefit, the film is wall to wall with music. Billy and the >Beaters, as the band playing at Henry's, perform several friendly tunes. The >house deejay (Henry G. Sanders), who also seems to be the only black person in >the place, offers a heady stream of balmy Motunes. And additional, if >fleeting, background music is supplied by Tangerine Dream. Channel 7 really >ought to invest some of its enormous profits in stereocasting equipment if the >network is going to send down movies as musical as this. >(. . .) > >Los Angeles Times, July 4, 1986, Friday, Home Edition >SECTION: Calendar; Part 6; Page 9; Column 1; Entertainment Desk >HEADLINE: 'LEGENDS': TANGERINE DREAM KNOWS THE SCORE >BYLINE: By STEVEN SMITH > > Film music purists despise them. Studio heads view them as the pulse of >teen audiences. Whatever your feelings about Tangerine Dream, they're >probably extreme. >(. . .) > 'We got offers from the producers of 'Death Wish' and said no. Whoever >wants to see such films can, and we've done films that had violence, but it >was shown with a more social aspect. We also turned down the 'Conan' films -- >a lot of people thought we were crazy.' > As for critics who feel Tangerine Dream's music is mindlessly repetitive, >'believe it or not, I respect them, if they're serious,' Froese said. 'Sure I >disagree, but I don't make a lot of noise about it. Obviously it doesn't mean >it's the view millions of others have.' > >The New York Times, June 1, 1986, Sunday, Late City Final Edition >SECTION: Section 2; Page 23, Column 1; Arts and Leisure Desk >HEADLINE: STEVE REICH, A FORMER YOUNG TURK, APPROACHES 50 >BYLINE: By TIM PAGE > >(. . .) > ''I had to learn to write 12-tone music at Juilliard and I greatly resented >it,'' he continued. ''I hope that my work won't be used as a recipe for >academic music in the conservatories.'' Still, Mr. Reich is pleased that >composers such as John Adams and Arvo Paert have admitted a debt to his work. >''They clearly have their own voices, but if my music can be useful to them in >any way, then I am delighted.'' > He is less happy with some other appropriations. ''I should be receiving >royalties for the theme to 'Adam Smith's Money World,' and the whole >soundtrack to the film 'Risky Business,' supposedly by a group called >Tangerine Dream, was an out and out ripoff of 'Music for 18 Musicians.' I >should have sued. > ''Still, if I had a dime for every trace of 'The Rite of Spring' I've heard >in movie soundtracks, I'd be rich,'' he added. ''I don't think imitations will >sap the power of the originals. If anything, because of familiarity with the >sound, the original will come through more clearly. It will be approachable, >but particularly engaging, focused and musically cogent. Ezra Pound once said >that a classic is something that remains news and the best work is capable of >re-creating the context of its times.'' >(. . .) > >Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1986 Sunday, FINAL EDITION >SECTION: THE ARTS; Pg. 16; ZONE: C >HEADLINE: FOR TANGERINE DREAM, HOLLYWOOD CALLS TOO OFTEN TO GET THE SHOW >ON THE ROAD >BYLINE: By Lynn Van Matre, Pop music critic. > >(. . .) > After 'Thief,' Mann went on to make a bigger mark in television with >'Miami Vice,' featuring a score by Jan Hammer. Does Froese, who arguably >helped pioneer the musical strategy that has contributed so much to the >success of 'Vice,' feel just a little ripped off that Tangerine Dream didn't >get in on the 'Vice' action? > 'It's a funny thing about that,' Froese says. 'The truth is that we >were supposed to do 'Miami Vice.' But Michael (Mann) was starting the pilot >for that show at the same time we had signed up to do the music for another >television series called 'Street Hawk.' > 'The producer of that show told Michael that we couldn't do 'Vice' >because we were doing 'Street Hawk.' As it turned out, that wasn't true at >all; we could have done both shows. But we didn't hear about all of this until >sometime later, and when we found out we were not very happy. Because, of >course, 'Street Hawk' turned out to be a flop and 'Miami Vice' took off. > 'But Jan did a fairly good job, and the series got what it needed,' >adds Froese. 'So, it's OK.' > Today's dance-oriented synth-pop scene is OK with Froese, too--for other >people, that is. You won't find him listening to any of it. > 'I would not want to say the music is bull----,' he says, 'because a >lot of people love it. But it's repetitious, and, to be honest, I have >absolutely no interest in it.' >(. . .) >In the early days of Tangerine Dream, Froese's 'spacey ideas' were, often as >not, arrived at with help from psychedelic drugs. These days he takes a pass >not only on drugs but on cigarettes and alcohol. 'Today, I even think about >whether or not tea and coffee qualify as drugs,' he says with a laugh. > 'The funny thing is, most of my friends went the same way that I did,' >he adds. 'A few of them eventually killed themselves with drugs, but most of >the others figured out that having a clear mind and a clear consciousness is >the best of all, because that means that you can be influenced more easily by >spiritual forces that can help you more than drugs ever could.' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 23, 1998 2:18 am Subject: Re: I Have 900 Lines of TD-related Articles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'DATMECHANIK' > > >can lawry sim please contact dat mechanik i,ve lost your e mail I can see why. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 23, 1998 3:12 am Subject: Re: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Gabe Yediditagain > > > Bach rocks! I treasure highly my double-disc sets of bach's organ fugues > > (cue many-an-'organ'-joke from Dano...;-) > > Are these Peter Hurford's set on London, by any chance? Nope. I've got an Anthony Newman one, and a (great) set by Walter Kraft playing the Frobenius Organ in Krist Kirke at Tonder, Denmark & the Johan Niclas Cahman Organ in Leufsta Bruks Kyrka; that one [Bach: Organ Music Vol. 1] is actually pretty common in Tower Records, Virgin Megastores, Best Buys, etc,... E-Munster From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 23, 1998 4:26 pm Subject: Re: New TD CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: phil@h... (Philip Meyer) Hi tadream@c... (tadream mailing list), >Me neither ! > I'm almost finished. I've done tree's 1 & 2 for you, just doing the other 6 tapes for the other exchange! Phil --Phil Meyer-------------------------- phil@h... amarok@c... http://www.hergest.demon.co.uk --------God loves his children, yeah-- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 23, 1998 10:59 am Subject: RE: What's with all these Delivery Failures? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' > You think you have a problem, my ISP's mail server is very > touchy and at times refuses to delete messages off the service. > So today I have loaded and deleted 61 messages THREE times. > $#@$$%*&^%$#^^$$@!@$%&^%$#@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > joel A few weeks back I went to France, and when I got back I had 300 or so e-mails, which I patiently downloaded. The next day I logged in and had about 350 e-mails... the previous download hadn't deleted the old ones! I still had to download them all so I could get at my new ones. This went on for a few days, until I was downloading at least 500 e-mails per day, just so I could read my new ones. This was an absolute nightmare! Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 23, 1998 10:51 am Subject: RE: Death to Wedding Music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' > What other TD stuff would be great for wedding music. So far I'm having at > least 'Ghazal' being played. > Pete If people need to boogie... why not try some Dream Mixes? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 23, 1998 11:15 am Subject: Tangerine Dream Midi Files ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' For the benefit of new members on the list, I have approximately 25 TD midi files. If you'd like to receive them, just drop me a line. Cheers, Lawry Simm lawrysimm@u... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 34612 Tangerine Dream Midi Files gilleshemery2002 Mon 7/1/2002 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 23, 1998 4:21 pm Subject: Re: Poetry and Scenario Visioning (flamebait?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland In a message dated 98-05-18 15:57:21 EDT, you write: Mr. Feldman: << 'Scenario visioning' maybe, but poetry? Quite a few people consider poets to be effette by nature, especially if they're male. >> I would love to hear Mr. Heil's interpretation of Tangram that he mentioned a week or so ago, but I sure would hate for him to be labeled effete. Though, how you could guess whether he were sterile or not is beyond me. Perhaps he's just decadent. 8-0 I believe the word you were searching for was effeminate. And how you can so blythely toss off every male poet the world has ever known blows my mind. You just condemned everyone from Shakespeare to Robert Frost to John Lennon not to mention all the songwriters out there including Mr Froese himself. Somehow I don't picture him as effeminate and he certainly isn't sterile. Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13918 Re: Poetry and Scenario Visioning (flamebait?) Gabe Yedid Sun 5/24/1998 6 KB 13919 Re: Poetry and Scenario Visioning (flamebait?) Greg Heil Sun 5/24/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 23, 1998 6:11 pm Subject: Interesting list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Recommended reading: http://www.shopping.com search for Tangerine Dream.... It ends up being several pages long, so I won't post it. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 23, 1998 6:09 pm Subject: Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... (I watch >ST:DEEP SPACE 9, ST:VOYAGER, EARTH:FINAL CONFLICT, THE X-FILES, and >SHOWTIME'S THE OUTER LIMITS--which, show per show, is hands-down >better than THE X-FILES, by the way--but not B5.) The Outer Limits is great, but um, there are no strong characters and no character development, let alone involving stories that could last longer than 2 hours. I think there are very few will agree that the Outer Limits is 'better' than X-Files. The production quality just isn't there... feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 23, 1998 6:12 pm Subject: RE: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... >Really-From: joelm@b... > >Hope this helps (you may know most of this already) I have all the B5 CDs if you >have any more questions on them.( I have all the released Franke stuff if you have ?) > >Joel > > 9 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of 95 rel has diff cover and a 2nd disk) > >True, Disk 1 is identical to Miramar release, second disc adds 6 new mixes (total 40:46) Actually, it has 2 radio mixes, which are shorter (3 minutes average), 2 further remixes (remixes of the remixes, turn up the bass) and 2 totally unreleased tracks, Sojus (rockin!) and Iowa (uh oh, feel a coma coming on...) feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 23, 1998 6:14 pm Subject: Re: Pink & Blue: 70-73 & 83-87, or 70-74 & 84-87? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 12:59 PM 5/22/98 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman > >Hi, > What are the actual dates for the Pink and Blue Years? Pink is before Virgin, Blue is after Virgin. 1970-1973 = Pink 1983-1986 = Blue then there are the Melrose years, etc. etc. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 23, 1998 7:00 pm Subject: RE: Tangerine Dream midi files ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' Sorry for the confusion... I have 25 midi files, only 4 of which are my creation. The others are ones that I have picked up here and there. Hell, it takes me long enough to do one.. never mind 25! I wish I had the time. :-) Cheers, Lawry (The 'cheers' is just for you Dano! :-) ) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat May 23, 1998 9:12 pm Subject: blue years ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> maybe this was already posted but here's the poop on 'the best of tangerine dream; the blue years' castle comm ccscd824 made in england, castle communications 1998; tracks: horizon (excerpt), ride on the ray, scuba scuba, underwater twilight, 21st century common man (part 2), vigour, the cliffs of sydney, hyde park, zen garden, livemiles (albuquerque excerpt <--albuquerque, yeah, right ;-) it's NOT remastered nor does have jerome's dqc mastering lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 24, 1998 12:25 am Subject: www.tangerinedream.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' I decided to see if I put this URL in if it would bring me anywhere.. it connected and said : -Forbidden..- -You don't have permission to access / on this server.- A common message that comes up when a server only allows access to certain people. Why this name though? I wonder if it's related to TD Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13927 Re: www.tangerinedream.com Virtuality Mon 5/25/1998 3 KB 13933 Re: www.tangerinedream.com Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 5/25/1998 3 KB 13932 Re: www.tangerinedream.com Quarlie Mon 5/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 24, 1998 3:31 am Subject: Re: Poetry and Scenario Visioning (flamebait?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid I shared these once...hope I can relive the feelings here... Trying to dredge up those memories.... OK... 'Gaudi Park' I feel myself aloft, descending from high in the sky, through the clouds, into the airspace right above some great metropolis of the future. Sunset on a partly cloudy day, the horizon is almost alive with with hues of purple and orange, with some oncoming clouds creating ominous shadows. I lower myself still further...although it seems like things are passing faster around me, it's just the change from covering a larger area. I'm at the top of the city's 'canopy', taking a high speed tour at the very top of the city's highest skyscrapers and arcologies. Looking down, I see hovering vehicles buzzing about everywhere, writhing masses of brightly dressed people moving far below them in the streets, which seem almost ensconced in craters from this height. The city is dark so low there, the only real light coming from on and within its buildings. The buildings...have nothing to offer but my own blurred, streaking reflection in their vast sheets of windows, hundreds of meters in height. Occasionally a vehicle takes off from on--or in--one, joining the net of aerial traffic not so far below. I try to picture myself a part of it all, and find myself with false feelings of security, pride, and hope. It all seems the same everywhere I look, so monolithic, assembled, and unnatural. Finally reaching the edge of the city's airspace, I rise higher again...and resume my course towards who knows where, glad to leave the city behind me a fleeting memory. 'Cinnamon Road' Weird. It's a hot afternoon along a highway in some anonymous desert, but it looks like the American Southwest. Pulled up along the side of the highway, near a beaten-up sign, is a Volkswagen 'Peacemobile', complete with psychedelic paint job and obligatory peace sign. 4 people are outside the vehicle looking at a road map, one more sitting on top of the van's roof, plucking away at a sitar. I draw closer...they don't notice me. These are friends of mine...I know them, except for the one on the roof, whose strikingly bright long blond hair hides his face--I know it's a guy because of the thick, curly hair on his arms and legs. The others don't recognize me...and they all look pretty different from how I know them, too. Their clothes and hair are an odd mix of hippie and biker. The two guys have thick muttonchop sideburns and ponytails--I chuckle because it's SO unlike them in real life. One of the girls, who's pretty 'tight' in real life, is wearing a pretty low-cut, tight-fitting shirt, skin tight jean shorts, and weird boots that are a cross between cowboy and platform shoes. Her hair is wild and unkempt, also a stark contrast to her usual grooming. The other girl, a dedicated black-denimer in this world, is in full hippie regalia--floral-patterned bandanna tied 'round her forehead, leather vest with embroidered flowers, peace pendant and hook earrings, flaring bell-bottom jeans. It's all REALLY amusing, yet, all I find myself concerned with is penetrating the identity of that sitar player on the roof. Even more curiously, these are the only two TD pieces that have ever evoked these kinds of 'visions' in me. Both of these were daydreams I had listening to these pieces--and yeah, I was sleeping. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 24, 1998 7:34 am Subject: Re: Poetry and Scenario Visioning (flamebait?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > Really-From: AOutland > > > In a message dated 98-05-18 15:57:21 EDT, you write: Mr. Feldman: > > << 'Scenario visioning' maybe, but poetry? Quite a few people consider > poets to be effette by nature, especially if they're male. >> > > I would love to hear Mr. Heil's interpretation of Tangram that he > mentioned a week or so ago, but I sure would hate for him to be labeled > effete. Though, how you could guess whether he were sterile or not is beyond > me. Perhaps he's just decadent. 8-0 > I believe the word you were searching for was effeminate. And how you can so > blythely toss off every male poet the world has ever known blows my mind. You > just condemned everyone from Shakespeare to Robert Frost to John Lennon not to > mention all the songwriters out there including Mr Froese himself. Somehow I > don't picture him as effeminate and he certainly isn't sterile. Dell I think most males try to figure out things, take things apart, ask why and how it works, find an explanation, etc. Many scientists are the same way, all creative people must provide something new to this Earth. I like to enjoy art on a high level, and take as much from it as I can. Some people may come out and admit that at some level of appreciation of TD or any artform, things click into place--meanings are arrived at--it makes sense, the artform suddenly has more meaning than its parts (for lack of the German term which means the same) It's easy to appreciate music solely on its technical merits, or how things transition, or how much addrenalin it provokes through the listerners veins. Music tries sometimes to evoke messages.. environments--The Orb still has to use words spoken to provide that. Obviously, being very literal is the way most music is today.. lyrics. But TD has been the most difficult group to attach meaning to, and I think that is because it works in a broader sense of an environment and those things inside--or even an explanation of a question we as a society cannot answer, but one person can express (a theory) I hope to write about Tangram soon.. I am currently attaching the segments and understanding their meanings together. P.S. I mostly write depressive poetry, as I am a depressed type of person, actually bi-polar... if you have any questions as to why I write such things as things as this, I can't give you an answer, I just have to. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 24, 1998 1:00 pm Subject: Re: deja vu all over again ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 tape tree 5 is now closed...heres the REAL final structure...tapes are being distributed as we speak...please contact your new dubbing friends...have a good holiday...tom w ... np: freezone 2 S) 105411.3107@c... 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(4.4.1) steve_whiteley@n... (4.4.2) mbd@n... (4.4.3) rhanna@e... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 24, 1998 1:51 pm Subject: Sonic Images Newsletter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' This is somewhat related to TD, I guess... I noticed this line in the last Sonic Images newsletter: >The most recent soundtrack releases from Sonic Images include: >'The Sentinel' with music from James Newton Howard and Jeff Porcaro (ex-Toto). > Didn't Jeff Pocaro die in 1993? Wouldn't that make him more 'ex-life' than 'ex-Toto'? - jim _____________________________________________________ 'I drive too fast to worry about cholesterol...' -- Steven Wright jimbo@v... = Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 24, 1998 1:50 pm Subject: Trabbi... (delayed message) + Highway to Hell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: Vic Rek Sorry fellow readers. It took four days for this message about 'Trabbi..' to reach the list. Servers sometimes act very strange. Once I received a message that was over 6 months old. The person that sent it to me just thought I was ignoring them. Sorry for the interruption but you can never be sure someone got a message unless they confirm it with you (just to be safe). Now some TD content. Anyone need a NTSC VHS original cassette of the movie 'Highway to Hell'? I saw a copy for sale at a very low price. There is some TD music from Miracle Mile on it I hear. Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 24, 1998 3:43 pm Subject: TD - Wedding Music reply ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mak0shark Q. What other TD music would be good for a wedding? A. I had our DJ play the Rumplestiltskin Theme (track # 2 off of the Rumpletstiltskin soundtrack) as I (the groom) and our wedding party walked in. The DJ liked the song enough that he bought a copy of the CD himself to have for future weddings. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 24, 1998 4:06 pm Subject: Re: Death to Wedding Music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Quarlie >> What other TD stuff would be great for wedding music. So >far I'm having at > >least 'Ghazal' being played. > > Interesting thread! 'Cool at Heart' wouldn't be bad, or maybe >'Birth of Liquid Plejades.' Perhaps the title track from 'White Eagle'? --Quarlie (who will now resume lurking) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun May 24, 1998 8:42 pm Subject: Highway to Hell ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC Yes Vic, I reported this a couple of months ago. At the end credits they give thanks to TD for additional music. Tom In a message dated 98-05-24 10:08:16 EDT, you write: << Now some TD content. Anyone need a NTSC VHS original cassette of the movie 'Highway to Hell'? I saw a copy for sale at a very low price. There is some TD music from Miracle Mile on it I hear. Vic >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 25, 1998 1:25 am Subject: Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' ----Original Message Follows---- Really-From: feldon@p... (I watch >ST:DEEP SPACE 9, ST:VOYAGER, EARTH:FINAL CONFLICT, THE X-FILES, and >SHOWTIME'S THE OUTER LIMITS--which, show per show, is hands-down >better than THE X-FILES, by the way--but not B5.) The Outer Limits is great, but um, there are no strong characters and no character development, let alone involving stories that could last longer than 2 hours. I think there are very few will agree that the Outer Limits is 'better' than X-Files. The production quality just isn't there... feldon@p... Really-From: Jim Jordan 'njpeople@h...' I strongly disagree that the production quality of the X-Files even approaches that of The Outer Limits, however, this does not prevent me from liking the X-Files much more. Frankly, I preferred the old Outer Limits series (with all its low production). The new series, more often than not, presents a bleak future for mankind. Basically, man has no chance, and continues to lose, time after time on the new series. This position is diametrically opposed to the original series. The new series is obviously easier to write, since losing is easier in most challenging situations. The old Outer Limits series is still one fo my favorites. Current series favorites include X-Files, Millenium, Star Trek Voyager, Deep Space Nine and Poltergeist: The Legacy. Deep Space Nine can be vexing, in that several plot lines which could have been extended over long periods of time to great success, were collapsed down to resolution within two episodes, detracting from the overall impact. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 25, 1998 8:51 am Subject: Re: www.tangerinedream.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Virtuality 'Greg Heil' wrote: > I decided to see if I put this URL in if it would bring me anywhere.. it >connected and said : >- -Forbidden..- An InterNIC search provides the following information: --- Tangerine Dream, Inc. TANGERINEDREAM-DOM P.O. Box 1861 Hoboken, NJ 07030 USA Domain Name: TANGERINEDREAM.COM Administrative Contact: Bonen, Richard C. RCB11 tdream@M... (212)862-8811 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Mindspring Domreg MDP-ORG domains@M... 888-932-1997 Fax- - 404-287-0883 Billing Contact: MindSpring Domain Billing MDB5-ORG domain.billing@M... 404-815-0770 Fax 404-287-0883 --- Someone should write to this guy and ask him about it, wouldn't you say? :> -jeff __________________________________________ http://www.scamper.com - are we there yet? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13933 Re: www.tangerinedream.com Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 5/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 25, 1998 8:54 am Subject: Music for Supermarkets?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) On Thu, 21 May 1998 18:07:10 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: (..) NP: JMJ - Music For Supermarkets - -- Mike Livsey Where did you get _that_ from???? Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13948 Re: Music for Supermarkets?? Flemming Larsen Tue 5/26/1998 3 KB 13955 Re: Music for Supermarkets?? Brian Frick Tue 5/26/1998 2 KB 14009 Re: Music for Supermarkets?? Michael Livsey Fri 5/29/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 25, 1998 9:07 am Subject: Vixen CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Peter Ravn Hi, There is a new CD out from the group Vixen its called 'Tangerine' - check out: http://cmcinternational.com/vixen.html Some have the idea that TD have made a CD called 'Vixen' - I think they mix up the artists and titles! Dream ON! Peter Ravn ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 25, 1998 12:30 pm Subject: UK Tour '97 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' Hi, dreamers. I'm looking for MASTER of fan tapes from concerts of this tour (UK Tour '97). So, if you have a master tape of these concerts and you want to make a record trade, write me. UK TOUR: 10.29.97 Bristol (Colston Hall) 10.31.97 Nottingham (Usher Hall) 11.1.97 Glasgow (Royal Concert Hall) 11.2.97 Leeds (Town and Country Club) 11.3.97 Birmingham (Symphony Hall) 11.4.97 Manchester (Apollo City Hall) 11.6.97 London (Shepherd's Bush Empire) Best regards, José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 25, 1998 2:10 pm Subject: tape tree 5 final strux -- correction ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers one correction to the final tape tree structure: >(3) bruno@c... -- the above address is no longer valid, please email chris at: bruno21@a... (if chris has already corrected this, sorry for the bandwidth use but I'm on the digest) lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 25, 1998 4:29 pm Subject: Re: www.tangerinedream.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Quarlie >> I decided to see if I put this URL in if it would bring me anywhere.. it >>connected and said : >>- -Forbidden..- > >An InterNIC search provides the following information: > >--- > >Tangerine Dream, Inc. TANGERINEDREAM-DOM > P.O. Box 1861 > Hoboken, NJ 07030 > USA > > Domain Name: TANGERINEDREAM.COM > > Administrative Contact: > Bonen, Richard C. RCB11 tdream@M... > (212)862-8811 > Technical Contact, Zone Contact: > Mindspring Domreg MDP-ORG domains@M... > 888-932-1997 >Fax- - 404-287-0883 > Billing Contact: > MindSpring Domain Billing MDB5-ORG domain.billing@M... > 404-815-0770 Fax 404-287-0883 > >--- > >Someone should write to this guy and ask him about it, wouldn't you say? I found that site about a year ago (at the time, it wasn't 'forbidden'). It advertised a vintage car service of some sort called Tangerine Dream. I saw no mention of the band anywhere on the site (though I did see some amusing claims like 'if you're looking for a classic car, Tangerine Dream can help!' or some such). Perhaps the real TD's lawyers found out about the site and had it shut down. --Quarlie (who has failed to resume lurking as claimed) NP: Vangelis, 'Direct' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 25, 1998 5:35 pm Subject: Re: www.tangerinedream.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 04:51 AM 5/25/1998 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: Virtuality > > >'Greg Heil' wrote: > >> I decided to see if I put this URL in if it would bring me anywhere.. it >>connected and said : >>- -Forbidden..- [....] >Tangerine Dream, Inc. TANGERINEDREAM-DOM > P.O. Box 1861 > Hoboken, NJ 07030 > USA [....] >Someone should write to this guy and ask him about it, wouldn't you say? :> And tell him what? BTW, this Tangerine Dream is not a guy.....it is a vintage automobile locator service. Been in business for MANY years. If TD had an exclusive legal right to the name in Hoboken, NJ, they would have already put it to rest. Don't you think? I am much more interested in the resort hotel in Mexico, also called Tangerine Dream. They have some really good-looking maids. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 25, 1998 5:56 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #291 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: NAdams43 jim wrote > current favorites include,x files,millenium,star trek voyager,deep space nine,poltergeist the legacy. i aggree all the series are great except deep space nine, i cant get on with that at all, one other i would add to the list which i think is fantastic is highlander the series. its a shame richie died though. regards nick np tangerine dream danger live From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 25, 1998 6:09 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream - Don't walk - Dream Now ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Hi fellow dreamers, here's something for the completists in our midst: Groove unlimited, Netherlands, offers a rare item TD as followed: ------------------------------------ MINIMUM BID is US$ 75 Tangerine Dream - Don't walk - Dream Now We have 2 copies of this double LP metalbox. Players: Froese, Franke, Joliffe, Krieger. It's a metal box of 1200 grams, numbered and limited to 200 copies. The number is engraved in the metal like: 171/200. Both LPs and box are in mint condition. With inlay card and newspaper clippings (press qoutes). Recorded live at Berlin - Eissporthalle 1978. 1.The blue side [24:20] 2.The yellow side [25:35] 3.The red side [24:31] 4.The green side [24:29] The colors refer to the labels on the LP ---------------------------------------------- check http://mcs.nl/groove/auction.html for further information Thought it might be interesting. Anyone knows anything about this bummer ? Good luck, Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 25, 1998 6:49 pm Subject: no TD: Wavestar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC Hi. I was just wondering how Wavestar's 'Moonwind' is. I keep seeing it for sale and was wondering if I should pick it up. Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13937 Re: no TD: Wavestar Dan J. Schulte Mon 5/25/1998 3 KB 13939 Re: no TD: Wavestar =?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWW Mon 5/25/1998 3 KB 13945 Re: no TD: Wavestar Larry E Smith Tue 5/26/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 25, 1998 8:07 pm Subject: Re: no TD: Wavestar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: TangerineC > > Hi. I was just wondering how Wavestar's 'Moonwind' is. I keep seeing it for > sale and was wondering if I should pick it up. Tom Get it. That's an order! You won't be sorry. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 25, 1998 8:21 pm Subject: Re: releases ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 from my import dealer's new release list: 21329-TANGERINE DREAM MYSTERY TRACKS CD (UK) 06/08/98 [$22.49] $19.95 Soundtracks 21330-TANGERINE DREAM SOL ET LUNA MYSTERY TRACKS VOL 2 CD (UK) 06/08/98 [$22.49] $19.95 Back in stock for probably the last time 21331-TANGERINE DREAM ANTARKTIS CD (UK) 06/08/98 [$22.49] $19.95 Rarities. Back in stock for probably the last time 21332-TANGERINE DREAM IN DEN GARTEN PHARAOS CD (UK) 06/08/98 [$22.49] $19.95 Live in 1991. Back in stock for probably the last time 21333-TANGERINE DREAM VIXEN CD (G) 06/08/98 [$26.95] $24.95 GERMAN. New album 21334-TANGERINE DREAM POPOL VUH BRI RATIKON CD (UK) 06/08/98 [$22.49] $19.95 Compilation of rare tracks tom w np: muslimgauze - tandorri dog From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 25, 1998 8:40 pm Subject: Re: no TD: Wavestar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?=' Hello, Tadreamers. BTW, I'm selling two CD of Wavestar : Zenith and Mind Journey. Please, e-mail off list if you are interested. Greetings to all, Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon May 25, 1998 8:54 pm Subject: Re: Poetry and Scenario Visioning ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Nigel Merrick' Hi All I'm intrigued by this thread of poetry and the Tangs and have one item to contribute to this discussion... There is one track in particular that has conjured a stirring image for me and I, too, wrote a poem to try to express a little of what it said to me... Anyway here is a poem to: 'Elf June and The Midnight Patrol'... Biting cold, boots snap on hardened frost Smoke rising, fighting through chill night air Soldier squints, aching memory recalled Of loved ones lost or far away Marching to the ice-locked beat Red Square, white and glowing Stepping out the slow release Guarding the real killers in the citadel Burnt-out ash flutters to the boot-marked snow Soldier pauses on the corner alone Breath solid in thin air, Soldier makes his turn To return upon the road he’s made in the night But his path is blocked by a sight unseen From the mist Elf June appears before him To lay a hand upon his troubled brow The snow is gone, the cold nothing but a memory A moment only, but the heart is warmed The soul is fuelled and the spark rekindled Truth is truth, lies always lies and Stone walls and wire, human spirit not contain Elf June recedes, her work now is done Soldier sighs, resumes his step to the steppes In the east, dawn reaches her fingers to the clouds And ice falls from the Kremlin walls. -end- Very best regards to you all, wherever you are, from Bermuda Nigel Merrick Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14313 Re: Poetry and Scenario Visioning AOutland@a... Sat 6/6/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 26, 1998 12:32 am Subject: Oedipus Tyrannus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Fonda This is probably old hat to most of you, but I just learned of the OEDIPUS TYRANNUS score that TD composed in 1974 between the releases of Phaedra and Rubycon. It was made for an English play of the same name but was never released because TD was not pleased with it. I see also that some of it was released in 1977 with the 'Desert Dream' track on their Encore Live release. Does anyone know any more about this score? Was there more to it than what was put on Encore? It's hard to believe that anything by Froese/Franke/Baumann could be unworthy of release. Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13947 Re: Oedipus Tyrannus Hilmar Kraft Tue 5/26/1998 4 KB 13951 Re: Oedipus Tyrannus Plumer, Scott Tue 5/26/1998 3 KB 13953 Re: Oedipus Tyrannus Vic Rek Tue 5/26/1998 3 KB 13978 Re: Oedipus Tyrannus Mark Fonda Thu 5/28/1998 3 KB 13990 Re: Oedipus Tyrannus Plumer, Scott Thu 5/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 26, 1998 12:44 am Subject: Testing, testing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery Our internet connection here at work was broken for a couple of days, so I'm sending this to test whether I'm still subscribed! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 26, 1998 3:59 am Subject: TD remix by others artist ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Claude Roy' Hi everyone, I would like to have some comments about the second album of remix TD stuff (Stratofear, tangram, etc..) which I forgot the title. It suppose to be all analog. Any good remix on this or is it all scrap!!! Claude Roy icq number - 4173369 Longueuil, Qc, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- Travelling Avant (cinéma) - http://www.cam.org/~roycl/travel.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13944 Re: TD remix by others artist Elias Granillo, Jr. Tue 5/26/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 26, 1998 4:12 am Subject: Re: TD remix by others artist ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Claude Roy' > > I would like to have some comments about the second album of remix TD stuff > (Stratofear, tangram, etc..) which I forgot the title. It suppose to be all > analog. Any good remix on this or is it all scrap!!! If you're talking about _Tangerine Ambience_ II, then get it! It's great! E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 26, 1998 4:56 am Subject: Re: no TD: Wavestar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: thesmitter@j... (Larry E Smith) One of my ten favorite ever - get it!!!! Larry >Really-From: TangerineC > > >Hi. I was just wondering how Wavestar's 'Moonwind' is. I keep seeing >it for >sale and was wondering if I should pick it up. Tom > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 26, 1998 8:50 am Subject: Re: Releases ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Really-From: TWeibre361 > >from my import dealer's new release list: > >21329-TANGERINE DREAM MYSTERY TRACKS CD (UK) 06/08/98 [$22.49] $19.95 > Soundtracks > >21330-TANGERINE DREAM SOL ET LUNA MYSTERY TRACKS VOL 2 CD (UK) 06/08/98 >[$22.49] $19.95 > Back in stock for probably the last time > >21331-TANGERINE DREAM ANTARKTIS CD (UK) 06/08/98 [$22.49] $19.95 > Rarities. Back in stock for probably the last time > >21332-TANGERINE DREAM IN DEN GARTEN PHARAOS CD (UK) 06/08/98 [$22.49] $19.95 > Live in 1991. Back in stock for probably the last time > >21333-TANGERINE DREAM VIXEN CD (G) 06/08/98 [$26.95] $24.95 > GERMAN. New album > >21334-TANGERINE DREAM POPOL VUH BRI RATIKON CD (UK) 06/08/98 [$22.49] $19.95 > Compilation of rare tracks > > >tom w Funny how Boots seem to circulate in a periodic fashion. I've seen these 5 boots (not Vixen) around every record fair I've been to for the last year, but nowhere before that. In fact, just this Sunday past, I went to the local fair and picked up Raetikon - superb. I also spotted Klaus Schulze's United Stated EightyThree double CD (on numerous stalls) and picked that up too. Boy, was I sick! This is a pirate(!) of Festival Hall Volumes 1 and 2 - maybe not recorded at the same location but certainly the same music. I wouldn't have minded much, but I already have FH1 on my trade list 'cos I don't like it! Anyone interested in either FH1 or US83, contact me privately. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 26, 1998 4:30 pm Subject: Re: Oedipus Tyrannus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) >Really-From: Mark Fonda >This is probably old hat to most of you, but I just learned of the OEDIPUS >TYRANNUS score that TD composed in 1974 between the releases of Phaedra and >Rubycon. >... > Was there more to it than what was put on Encore? Hi Mark, do you really live in Aruba? Cool! You will probably see a lot of discussion here about Oedipus Tyrannus in the next few weeks as there will be a D:Live discussion based on a number of rare recordings that have recently been distributed to fans via means of a 'tape tree'. This music was indeed recorded by TD in the London BBC studios and so a version of quite good quality has sneaked out - about 25 minutes long. If there is more I don't know, but those 25 minutes are certainly out there. Most of it is not that exciting and it does include the droning part that you can find on Encore's 'Desert Dream', but it also includes a fantastic 6 or 7 minute melodical segment that I personally find extremely melancholic and among their best music from that time. But I suggest you wait for the D:Live thread to learn more about it... Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Re: Music for Supermarkets?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Flemming Larsen Dennis Nigbur wrote : >Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey) >On Thu, 21 May 1998 18:07:10 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >NP: JMJ - Music For Supermarkets >Mike Livsey > >Where did you get _that_ from???? Bootleg. Rest assured it's not the original album. Only one copy was ever made. There's been a rumour about a bootleg comming out now for some time. The only problem was finding a taped copy that was good enough. I've had a taped copy for many years now. Though the quality isn't the best. Flemming. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 26, 1998 1:49 pm Subject: Re: Music to listen before death ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lambert Ringlage I agree with Jeffrey regarding Stratos fear as one of the most impressive LPs TD have ever done. Maybe this music is worth-while listening after death too...? ;-) > > email: lambert.ringlage@u... > > Lambert Ringlage > messings garten 7 > D-45147 Essen > Germany > phone/fax: (0)201-733018 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 26, 1998 2:20 pm Subject: For Sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AslanFan1 I've got THE BEST OF THE 01/W CD for sale which features Edgar's solo track 'Michiko.' This interesting disk also contains tracks by Geoff Downes, Keith Emerson, Eddie Jobson and Rick Wakeman, among others. 10 tracks total. I believe it's out of print. Edgar's track is very cool. It's up for auction. Best offer gets it. Please email me off list with your offer. Thanks, Alan Cox 3408 Reims Court Austin, TX 78733 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 26, 1998 3:14 pm Subject: RE: Oedipus Tyrannus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >This is probably old hat to most of you, but I just learned of the OEDIPUS >TYRANNUS score that TD composed in 1974 between the releases of Phaedra and No, Mark, the correct line is 'I read in Scott's wonderful, informative book that. . .' :-D >Rubycon. It was made for an English play of the same name but was never >released because TD was not pleased with it. I see also that some of it was >released in 1977 with the 'Desert Dream' track on their Encore Live release. >Does anyone know any more about this score? Was there more to it than what >was put on Encore? It's hard to believe that anything by >Froese/Franke/Baumann could be unworthy of release. Very true, but think of it like this: They were in their improv period, and every live show they played was taped and worthy of release, at least IMHO. So they had oodles of stuff that could be released. But the stuff they released was, by their standards, their best stuff. I'd bet they saw OT as just a quickie, kinda like a live show, and not really important enough to commit to vinyl. Does that make sense? Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 26, 1998 5:48 pm Subject: Luminous Visions DVD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I just picked up the DVD of Luminous Visions (Sony SMV LVD 49484). It comes in the typical DVD packaging and has a statement on the back that reads 'Free full-length CD soundtrack by Tangerine Dream Inside (includes 3 bonus tracks previously unreleased in the U.S.)'. There is s purple/yellow round sticker on the plastic wrap that states something similar. This CD looks identical to the one that came in the VHS box, except that it doesn't come in a nice jewel case, just in a plain black sleeve inside the DVD case. There are 12 tracks on it, but I still need to compare it with the jewel case version to be positive about this. One interesting note is that on the back there is a statement about bonus video footage: 'Interview with Tangerine Dream'. BTW, Does anyone have the Canyon Dreams DVD? Is there a booklet included with the packaging? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13966 Re: Luminous Visions DVD Harri Ikonen Wed 5/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 26, 1998 5:07 pm Subject: Re: Oedipus Tyrannus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek > Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > [...] I'd > bet they saw OT as just a quickie, kinda like a live show, and not > really important enough to commit to vinyl. Does that make sense? Well, didn't Virgin take part of this performance (Overture) and put it on their double sampler LP titled 'V'? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: THE GREAT CHUKKER: Documentary on Polo w/ TD Soundtrack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, Since no one said anything about it, I am posting this particular article I got from LEXIS/NEXIS again, since it concerns a TD soundtrack that I do not believe anyone here on the Internet Movie Database has ever mentioned before (maybe because it's a documentary, and hence never was released theatrically). -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + PUBLICATION: Copyright 1990 Gannett Company Inc. USA TODAY August 30, 1990, Thursday, FINAL EDITION SECTION: LIFE; Pg. 2D LENGTH: 224 words HEADLINE: A sneak peek at 'Chukker' BYLINE: Jeannie Williams BODY: Aspen's celebrity crowd has been invited to a Labor Day weekend screening of The Great Chukker, which producer/director Larry Spangler calls the first ''rock-doc(umentary)'' on polo, with music by Tangerine Dream. Goldie Hawn, Kurt Russell, Don Johnson and Danny Sullivan have been invited for the sneak peek. Spangler's film, due by Christmas, has its own share of stars: famed 10- goal Mexican polo player Memo Gracida, actor/player William Devane and socialite Marylou Whitney. Devane chats in the film about days when polo was big in Hollywood. ''Will Rogers had a field at his house ... and Walt Disney kept a stable of horses for friends to use.'' Devane adds that polo ''keeps you on the edge all the time ... important if you are an artist.'' Sylvester Stallone, he says, is ''a wonderful player -- strikes well, rides well.'' Prince Charles also appears in clips as a very young player and from 1988 -- saying so far he'd been lucky enough not to break a leg or an arm. He'll get a wry chuckle out of it - he broke his arm in a polo fall two months ago. In the film he says polo, in general, ''shakes up my liver.'' Spangler also is readying an animated, seven-minute cartoon of the Rudyard Kipling story, The Maltese Cat, about polo ponies. It's Charles' favorite story, says Spangler, and will be shown with Chukker. LANGUAGE: ENGLISH - END - From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 26, 1998 7:52 pm Subject: Re: Music for Supermarkets?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > Where did you get _that_ from???? > > Dennis Want a copy? -- Brian Frick frickblj@w... http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: RISKY B Alert! 'Mandala' is Another LoaRT Variant! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Groan, Just when I thought all the RISKY BUSINESS-related items had been found and/or identified, along comes 'Mandala,' which had its Western Hemisphere premiere (it was originally shown on Japanese HD-TV about eight years ago) when Jerome appeared on the German radio show named Electrobeats and played some obscure TD-related stuff. According to what Jerome said, 'Mandala' is an excerpt from a 20-minute piece, but I seem to recall hearing that it was an hour long. Whatever its length, though, it is most certainly a variant of 'Love on a Real Train' (henceforth to be called Reich's Lament, hee hee?), from the RISKY BUSINESS soundtrack. -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | | 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: TD News from DREAM COLLECTOR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (Peter Stoeferle) 'Dream Collector' newsletter #23 has been mailed. Some topics of our previous issues have lead to some confusion and strange rumours on this Mailing List, thus we have decided to provide a short summary of the main topics of the new issue this time... ;-) - TDI announces the first 12 CDs from the 25 CD bulk to be out within the next weeks. The CDs will also be available in a 'Dream Dice' box set. - Edgar Froese explains why he will take legal steps against 'Electronic Orgy' and 'Macula Transfer'. - An official release of 'The Keep' will be further delayed... (until ???) - TD have the idea (read: idea, not plans!) for some concerts in Europe this summer. 'Dream Collector' is a private-run, non-profit information source, but not an official publication of Tangerine Dream. This newsletter in English language is published some eight times a year. Orders are still taken... ;-) For subscription info, please drop a line to: peter.stoeferle@t... Cheers, Peter Stoeferle (editor) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13965 Re: TD News from DREAM COLLECTOR Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 5/27/1998 3 KB 13977 Re: TD News from DREAM COLLECTOR Steven Feldman Thu 5/28/1998 4 KB 13984 Re: TD News from DREAM COLLECTOR Jens Kilian Thu 5/28/1998 3 KB 14023 Re: TD News from DREAM COLLECTOR feldon@p... Fri 5/29/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue May 26, 1998 6:05 pm Subject: Tangerine Ambience II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' >> Really-From: 'Claude Roy' >> >> I would like to have some comments about the second album of >> remix TD stuff >> (Stratofear, tangram, etc..) which I forgot the title. It suppose to be > all analog. Any good remix on this or is it all scrap!!! >If you're talking about _Tangerine Ambience_ II, then get it! It's great! >E-Man I'll second that. I just received my copy only 2 days ago from Kent Eskilden. ( I think he may still have one or two left...). It is really good stuff. Kent's e-mail is kent-nbe@p... (Hope you don't mind Kent!) Regards, Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 32827 Tangerine Ambience II Kent Eskildsen Tue 3/19/2002 2 KB 32835 Re: Tangerine Ambience II Eric Williamson Tue 3/19/2002 3 KB 32828 Re: Tangerine Ambience II Phil White Tue 3/19/2002 3 KB 32829 Re: Tangerine Ambience II PERGAMON Tue 3/19/2002 3 KB 32840 Tangerine Ambience II Morgan Feldon Tue 3/19/2002 2 KB 32842 Re: Tangerine Ambience II PERGAMON Wed 3/20/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 1:46 am Subject: Re: Moonwind ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PW098 Tom, If you like 80's TD, you'll like Wavestar's Moonwind. You can tell they were listening. Go get it. -Bob From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 3:11 am Subject: MACULA TRANSFER ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: RBrown4856 WHAT IS ALL THE STINK ABOUT THE 'MACULA TRANSFER'CD ? I ORDERED A COPY FROM AN IMPORTER AND HE HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING IT!!!! CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN? THANKS! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13961 Re: MACULA TRANSFER Dan J. Schulte Wed 5/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 3:34 am Subject: Re: MACULA TRANSFER ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: RBrown4856 > > WHAT IS ALL THE STINK ABOUT THE 'MACULA TRANSFER'CD ? I ORDERED A COPY FROM AN > IMPORTER AND HE HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING IT!!!! CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN? > THANKS! NO PROBLEM DUDE!!! THERE REALLY ISN'T A BIG DEAL ABOUT MACULA TRANSFER....BUT YOU MADE IT A BIG DEAL WHEN YOU FORGOT TO TURN YOUR CAPS LOCK OFF!!! OH WELL!! IT HAPPENS!!!! NOW YOU KNOW!!! LATER DUDE!!! DANO!!!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 4:15 am Subject: Macula Transfer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: RBrown4856 I think the DUDE is mistaken.I saw on this mail sight where Edgar was filing suit over Electronic Orgy and Macula Transfer.There must be a reason.By the way DUDE I turned my Caps Lock off just for you.Later Man!!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13963 Re: Macula Transfer Jens Peschke Wed 5/27/1998 3 KB 13968 Re: Macula Transfer TWeibre361 Wed 5/27/1998 3 KB 14649 Re: Macula Transfer feldon@p... Mon 6/15/1998 2 KB 19893 Macula Transfer John Marchington Sat 12/18/1999 2 KB 19896 Re: Macula Transfer Vic Rek Sat 12/18/1999 1 KB 24988 Macula Transfer Derk Sun 11/12/2000 2 KB 24990 Re: Macula Transfer Marcel Engels Sun 11/12/2000 2 KB 25002 Re: Macula Transfer Armin Theissen Mon 11/13/2000 3 KB 25000 Re: Macula Transfer John Marchington Mon 11/13/2000 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 4:44 am Subject: Re: Macula Transfer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' A bloke - what's his face ?, Brown with a number, chocolate ? - asked : >I saw on this mail sight where Edgar was filing suit over Electronic Orgy and Macula >Transfer.There must be a reason. Money ? Ethics ? A grip ? There was a company owning the rights for Macula Transfer, but Herr Froese still had a kinda veto, so that he had to be asked for his permission for any release/deal. The company dealed with Manikin records WITHOUT asking him. Now it seems this company (not Manikin!) will get serious trouble because they dealed without permission. Hope this helps Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 6:14 am Subject: Re: Macula Transfer/Orgy suit?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: RBrown4856 > > I think the DUDE is mistaken.I saw on this mail sight where Edgar was filing > suit over Electronic Orgy and Macula Transfer.There must be a reason.By the > way DUDE I turned my Caps Lock off just for you.Later Man!!! Interesting. I'm curious, what site did you see Edgar filing suit over Electronic Orgy?? Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13970 Re: Macula Transfer/Orgy suit?? Plumer, Scott Wed 5/27/1998 2 KB 13971 Re: Macula Transfer/Orgy suit?? feldon@p... Wed 5/27/1998 2 KB 13972 Re: Macula Transfer/Orgy suit?? Sean Montgomery Wed 5/27/1998 3 KB 13973 Re: Macula Transfer/Orgy suit?? Plumer, Scott Wed 5/27/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 6:49 am Subject: Re: TD News from DREAM COLLECTOR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (Peter Stoeferle) > > > - TDI announces the first 12 CDs from the 25 CD bulk to be out within the > next weeks. The CDs will also be available in a 'Dream Dice' box set. Titles? Which titles? A 'Dice' box? They swiped that idea from Rush: _Roll The Bones_, didn't they? > - Edgar Froese explains why he will take legal steps against 'Electronic > Orgy' and 'Macula Transfer'. At least he's not taking steps against Volumes Two & Three ;-) > - An official release of 'The Keep' will be further delayed... (until ???) Not losing any sleep over this one...! > - TD have the idea (read: idea, not plans!) for some concerts in Europe this > summer. Goody, goody gumdrops. I hope they *cybercast* a show!!!!!!! E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 8:59 am Subject: RE: Luminous Visions DVD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Harri Ikonen' > Really-From: Vic Rek > > BTW, Does anyone have the Canyon Dreams DVD? Is there > a booklet included with the packaging? I've got it, but I must say it's probably the poorest DVD in my collection -- the are NO extras (not to mention a booklet), and the picture looks like the DVD master has been made from a bad video tape. Before getting it I was thinking about purchasing True North as well, but if all Simitar discs are like this I'll skip it. I also sent mail to the Tangerine Dream HQ asking if Oasis will come out on DVD, but I haven't received a reply yet. And speaking about DVDs... TD is mentioned in the Risky Business cast & crew information section, Firestarter on the other hand doesn't have any extras. Harri From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 1:13 pm Subject: Electro Beats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Lambert Ringlage Does anybody know where the radio show 'Electrobeats' is broadcasted. What is the name of the radio station and who is the 'showmaster' ? Lambert Ringlage Messings garten 7 D-45147 Essen Germany phone/fax: (0)201-733018 email: lambert.ringlage@u... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13985 Electro Beats Hilmar Kraft Thu 5/28/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 1:43 pm Subject: Re: Macula Transfer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361 In a message dated 98-05-27 00:51:05 EDT, you write: << Money ? Ethics ? A grip ? There was a company owning the rights for Macula Transfer, but Herr Froese still had a kinda veto, so that he had to be asked for his permission for any release/deal. The company dealed with Manikin records WITHOUT asking him. Now it seems this company (not Manikin!) will get serious trouble because they dealed without permission. >> id venture to guess that klaus schulze's relationship with manikin influenced kommander froese's decision... tom w sp: lemongrass - drumatic universe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 1:43 pm Subject: Macula BTH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean I got a note a few weeks ago that Beyond the Horizon would be selling copies of Macula Transfer (Manikan Version)... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 2:04 pm Subject: RE: Macula Transfer/Orgy suit?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> I think the DUDE is mistaken.I saw on this mail sight where Edgar was filing >> suit over Electronic Orgy and Macula Transfer.There must be a reason.By the >> way DUDE I turned my Caps Lock off just for you.Later Man!!! >Interesting. I'm curious, what site did you see Edgar filing suit over >Electronic Orgy?? I think he meant this mailing list. I wonder who he's suing? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13971 Re: Macula Transfer/Orgy suit?? feldon@p... Wed 5/27/1998 2 KB 13972 Re: Macula Transfer/Orgy suit?? Sean Montgomery Wed 5/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 2:22 pm Subject: RE: Macula Transfer/Orgy suit?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... > >Interesting. I'm curious, what site did you see Edgar filing >suit over > >Electronic Orgy?? Dream Collector From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 3:46 pm Subject: RE: Macula Transfer/Orgy suit?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >Interesting. I'm curious, what site did you see Edgar filing > suit over Electronic Orgy?? > > I think he meant this mailing list. I wonder who he's suing? Everyone on the mailing list who admitted to buying a copy. OOPS! Did I say I had one? I was...uh....lying, yeah, that's it! :-) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 5:30 pm Subject: RE: Macula Transfer/Orgy suit?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> I think he meant this mailing list. I wonder who he's suing? >Everyone on the mailing list who admitted to buying a copy. Good luck. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 6:12 pm Subject: Oranges Don't Dance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' I was told today about a Private Music CD-ep promo-only jobbie called 'Oranges Don't Dance'. I haven't heard of this before, and was wondering if anyone knows the track listing and any other info about it. Thanks in advance, Lawry Simm lawrysimm@u... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13986 Re: Oranges Don't Dance Kees Thu 5/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 6:18 pm Subject: D: Live ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' This is actually going to happen! :-) I'll be posting the items for discussion during the first week in June for a discussion start on Sunday 7th June. I believe everyone has trees 1 + 2, and most people have 3 + 4, with 5 + 6 being duplicated as we speak. I hope everyone with the material takes part in the discussions, and people don't just get the tapes and drop back into lurker mode. I'll be looking forward to each and every comment and thought on the material up for discussion. Start listening (really listening) now, and get your thoughts ready... it really isn't far off now. Lawry lawrysimm@u... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13976 Re: D: Live TWeibre361@a... Wed 5/27/1998 3 KB 13981 Re: D: Live Lawry Simm Thu 5/28/1998 3 KB 13983 Re: D: Live feldon@p... Thu 5/28/1998 3 KB 13987 Re: D: Live Hilmar Kraft Thu 5/28/1998 3 KB 13991 Re: D: Live Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 5/28/1998 3 KB 13995 Re: D: Live TWeibre361@a... Thu 5/28/1998 3 KB 14011 Re: D: Live Quarlie@a... Fri 5/29/1998 3 KB 15018 Re: D: Live Lawry Simm Thu 6/25/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 6:50 pm Subject: Re: D: Live ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-05-27 14:28:31 EDT, you write: << This is actually going to happen! :-) holy smokes... I'll be posting the items for discussion during the first week in June for a discussion start on Sunday 7th June. bad timing...the world cup starts that week... I believe everyone has trees 1 + 2, and most people have 3 + 4, with 5 + 6 being duplicated as we speak. only 5 is currently being dubbed... I hope everyone with the material takes part in the discussions, and people don't just get the tapes and drop back into lurker mode. I'll be looking forward to each and every comment and thought on the material up for discussion. Start listening (really listening) now, and get your thoughts ready... it really isn't far off now. please, i cant listen to those tapes again.... tom w np: namlook/prochir - miles apart (fax) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: TD News from DREAM COLLECTOR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Tue, 26 May 98 23:05 +0100 >Subject: Re: TD News from DREAM COLLECTOR >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (Peter Stoeferle) > >TDI announces the first 12 CDs from the 25 CD bulk to be out within the >next weeks. The CDs will also be available in a 'Dream Dice' box set. Hmmm, what could be in this box set? Could it be . . . 70 ELECTRONIC MEDITATION 72 ZEIT 86 LEGEND 87 TYGER 87 THREE O'CLOCK HIGH 87 DEADLY CARE 88 OPTICAL RACE 88 LIVE MILES 89 LILY ON THE BEACH 89 DESTINATION BERLIN 89 CATCH ME IF YOU CAN 92 ROCKOON and if there's newer stuff in the batch . . . 97 JIM & PABLO: DER METEOR 97 AMBIENT MONKEYS Now, wouldn't *that* be a hum-dinger? NOT! :( ;) At any rate, it *would* explain the name choice of DREAM DICE--insofar as it would be something to throw against the wall, or something that has crapped out (or something that was crapped out, heh). >Edgar Froese explains why he will take legal steps against 'Electronic >Orgy' and 'Macula Transfer'. I didn't know that legal steps could be taken against bootleggers by anyone other than the FBI. >An official release of 'The Keep' will be further delayed... (until ???) Ooo, I'm *so* surprised. Now, what KEEP item is supposed to be rare? I forgot. ;) Is it the 1984 LP or the 1997 CD? D'oh! ;) -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | | 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed May 27, 1998 10:44 pm Subject: Re: Oedipus Tyrannus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Fonda Hilmar wrote: > do you really live in Aruba? Cool! Yes, and it's cool for the first few months... then it's just one tiny little island... thank god for e-music to keep my sanity!! > You will probably see a lot of discussion here about Oedipus Tyrannus > in the next few weeks as there will be a D:Live discussion based on a > number of rare recordings that have recently been distributed to fans > via means of a 'tape tree'. Thanks for the info... I'll stay tuned. Scott wrote: > >This is probably old hat to most of you, but I just learned of > the OEDIPUS > >TYRANNUS score that TD composed in 1974 between the releases of > Phaedra and > No, Mark, the correct line is 'I read in Scott's wonderful, > informative book that. . .' :-D But of course... 'Mysterious Semblance' is the best!! (commissions accepted). There is also mention of OT in Paul Stump's 'Digital Gothic', and I also just realized that I already have 'Overture' on my copy of Electronic Orgy (disc #1). Mark From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: D: Live: Are Trees 1 + 2 That Bad? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:50:49 EDT >Subject: Re: D: Live >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > >>I believe everyone has trees 1 + 2, and most people have 3 + 4 [. . .] >>I'll be looking forward to each and every comment and thought on the >>material up for discussion. > >>Start listening (really listening) now, and get your thoughts ready... >>it >really isn't far off now. > >please, i cant listen to those tapes again.... Is the stuff really that bad (in your opinion)? It is no surprise that quite a few TD fans--even those who love RICOCHET and/or RUBYCON-- are not too keen on anything before 1974 (with the possible exception of GREEN DESERT, which really doesn't count since it was TANGENT-ized in the first place), so I'm wondering if that's why you'd rather not have to listen to those tapes again anytime soon . . . or if you meant that you would rather not *ever* hear those tapes again, and really only procured them for the following three reasons: o they were an excellent deal and such a deal will not make itself available again o better to have a chance to check something out which you may or may not like rather than having no chance at all o you like some of the 1970-1973 TD material, but feel that the best of what there is from that period is better represented by the official releases than by sundry live performances, now that you've heard live tapes from that period I haven't heard any of the Tape Tree #1 and #2 tapes, yet, so I am not trying to sway anybody, here. I was just curious why you made the statement you did. -- Steven Feldman --------------------------------------------------------------------- 'I don't give a damn on what the journalists are saying. If some dog pees at a tree, the tree won't fall down!' -- Klaus Kinski Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13982 Re: D: Live: Are Trees 1 + 2 That Bad? Jim & Sew Fong Jordan Thu 5/28/1998 3 KB 13994 Re: D: Live: Are Trees 1 + 2 That Bad? TWeibre361@a... Thu 5/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 1:27 am Subject: Re: X-files vs Outer Limits ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 98-05-23 14:12:15 EDT, you write: Morgan Feldon << The Outer Limits is great, but um, there are no strong characters and no character development, let alone involving stories that could last longer than 2 hours. I think there are very few will agree that the Outer Limits is 'better' than X-Files. The production quality just isn't there... feldon@p... >> In comparison, the X-files is like a continuing saga with characters being developed over a long period of time subject to change at the whim of any writer but more or less sustained to maintain the drama. Outer Limits does not have this luxury and is more like a series of short stories wherein the characters and plot have to be developed and understood by the audience within an hour program. Much harder to do IMO and yet done very well. But we are way off subject here. OK. So, let me put this in TD perspective. You are trying to compare Tangram with Catch Me If You Can. Obviously, Tangram takes more time to develop it's theme and allows the mind to fly on many fantasies. Catch Me was developed with one purpose in mind: to enhance the action of a movie. It does not need you to interpret what the music means; the movie itself is already telling you what it needs and this music envelopes the action and does it perfectly. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 2:02 am Subject: Re: D: Live ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' Really-From: Jim Jordan 'njpeople@h...' ----Original Message Follows---- Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' I believe everyone has trees 1 + 2, and most people have 3 + 4, with 5 + 6 being duplicated as we speak. I hope everyone with the material takes part in the discussions, and people don't just get the tapes and drop back into lurker mode. --------------------------------- Call me uneducated, call me backward, call me what you will, but I don't understand the concept involved with these 'tape trees'. Can you explain it for me? ...a-n-d s-p-e-a-k s-l-o-w-l-y ... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13983 Re: D: Live feldon@p... Thu 5/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 2:12 am Subject: Re: D: Live: Are Trees 1 + 2 That Bad? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' Really From: Jim Jordan 'njpeople@h...' ----Original Message Follows---- It is no surprise that quite a few TD fans--even those who love RICOCHET and/or RUBYCON-- are not too keen on anything before 1974 (with the possible exception of GREEN DESERT, which really doesn't count ________________________________ Maybe I'm in the wrong place. I started listening when Atem was released and like just about everything (except perhaps Electronic Meditation and Rubicon a bit less). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 4:48 am Subject: Re: D: Live ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 07:02 PM 5/27/98 PDT, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' > >Call me uneducated, call me backward, call me what you will, >but I don't understand the concept involved with these 'tape trees'. >Can you explain it for me? ...a-n-d s-p-e-a-k s-l-o-w-l-y ... Rather than one person making 50 copies of a CD and selling either tapes or CDRs to people (which is both a lot of work, and opens you up to legal action), a tape tree gives the members of the 'tree' the task of making no more than about 5 copies of the master tape. Master CD/DAT ---> CDR --> tape | \ \\`-> tape \ \ \`-> tape \ \ `-> tape \ \ \ `-> CDR --> CDR -> tape \ | \ \`-> tape \ \ \ `-> tape \ \ `-> CDR \ `--> CDR `-> CDR -> tape \`-> tape `-> tape feldon@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 7:27 am Subject: Re: TD News from DREAM COLLECTOR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jens Kilian > Really-From: Steven Feldman [...] > >Edgar Froese explains why he will take legal steps against 'Electronic > >Orgy' and 'Macula Transfer'. > > I didn't know that legal steps could be taken against bootleggers > by anyone other than the FBI. There is no FBI in Germany. Over here, copyright violation is a criminal offense and prosecuted by the Staatsanwaltschaft (office of the Attorney of the State - public prosecutor). (The copyright holder needs to make a formal complaint, and I assume that is what is meant by Edgar taking 'legal steps'.) Bye, Jens (whose dad once did this kind of thing...) -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-14-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 8:27 am Subject: Electro Beats ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft Hi Lambert! Great to see you are on tadream, I really like your music!!!! Good idea asking about 'Electro Beats', I think you should be on their show. I 'discovered' you when your were studio guest at 'Schwingungen' years ago... I am going to answer in english since this will be crossposted to the list as well, ok? Electrobeats is broadcast on 'Radio Eins' which is a radio station operated jointly by SFB (Sender Freies Berlin) and ORB (Ostdeutscher Rundfunk Brandeburg). Basically, it is the old SFB 1 in a modern updated version, like WDR1 turned into 'Eins Live' some years ago. You should be able to find them on the internet, either by looking on the homepages of ORB or SFB. The station can be received in all of Berlin and Brandenburg (obviously) and also via Satellite (ASTRA) as an audio subcarrier of ORB-TV, so you can even receive it in Essen if you have the right equipment. Let me know if you need transponder info. Electro Beats is broadcast every Sunday Night / Monday early morning from 1:00 am to 5:00 am. A terrible time, but for real fans there are always means to tape it and listen to it later (I do it with DAT in longplay mode). At least 4 hours is a nice long show, and since it is the only one of its kind in Germany... The host of the show is Olaf Zimmermann. So I suggest you look up ORBs or SFBs address on the Web and write to them care of Olaf Zimmermann to establish contact....and I hope to hear you there sometime soon! Schoene Gruesse aus Berlin, wenn es weitere Fragen gibt oder ich irgendwie helfen kann, bitte jederzeit mailen! Ciao, Hilmar Kraft From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 8:44 am Subject: Re: Oranges Don't Dance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Kees At 19:12 27-05-98 +0100, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' > > >I was told today about a Private Music CD-ep promo-only jobbie >called 'Oranges Don't Dance'. > >I haven't heard of this before, and was wondering if anyone knows >the track listing and any other info about it. > >Thanks in advance, >Lawry Simm > >lawrysimm@u... Lawry, I don't have it at hand but it's a 5 track single with no new music on it. Kees From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 9:59 am Subject: Re: D: Live ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > >> I'll be posting the items for discussion during the first week in June >> for a discussion start on Sunday 7th June. > >bad timing...the world cup starts that week... ??? - Don't tell me that anybody in the US cares about that :-) I thought only us Europeans, South Americans and Asians will be offline during that time... Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13991 Re: D: Live Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 5/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 9:05 am Subject: Kraftwerk in LA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Fonda Hey folks... I unexpectedly have two extra tickets to the Kraftwerk concert at the Hollywood Palladium on June 8. Anyone who is interested, please contact me. Mark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 13996 Re: Kraftwerk in LA TWeibre361@a... Thu 5/28/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 1:06 pm Subject: Best albums poll ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Check out: http://www.dotmusic.com/premier/. They're running a poll where you vote for the five best albums of all time. You can win a case of Carling if they pick your entry. I voted for Phaedra, plus Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon & The Wall, Genesis' The Lamb, and King Crimson's Court of the Crimson King. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 1:29 pm Subject: RE: Oedipus Tyrannus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> >This is probably old hat to most of you, but I just learned of >> the OEDIPUS >> >TYRANNUS score that TD composed in 1974 between the releases of >> Phaedra and >> No, Mark, the correct line is 'I read in Scott's wonderful, >> informative book that. . .' :-D >But of course... 'Mysterious Semblance' is the best!! (commissions accepted). Thanks, Mark, your check's in the mail. Oops, I meant that for private e-mail. :-) Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 2:12 pm Subject: Re: D: Live ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 05:59 AM 5/28/1998 -0400, Hilmar wrote: >>bad timing...the world cup starts that week... > >??? - Don't tell me that anybody in the US cares about that :-) > >I thought only us Europeans, South Americans and Asians will be offline >during that time... Except that many Americans are emigrated Europeans. :-) I wonder if the Froeses watch football (soccer)..... Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 3:09 pm Subject: d:live correction ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> lawry writes: >I believe everyone has trees 1 + 2, and most people have 3 + 4, >with 5 + 6 being duplicated as we speak. -- actually tree 5 is being distributed solo; trees 6-7 will go together, as will 8-9, 10-11, 12-13, 14-15, 16-17, & 18 will again go out alone. this is due to the number of tapes being distributed at any one time and tree 5 has alot. --> for those wondering 'why?!' some trees were combined to save postage costs for everyone involved. lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 3:08 pm Subject: don't understand tape trees? read this ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers OK for those of you who don't yet grasp the tape tree concept, I'll repost this once again (the 4th time?) (sorry but my compuserve mailer won't let me reset the width option and fix the stupid line-ending problem) --> if you're not new and haven't yet bothered to read this or have refused to read any of the tons of explanations that have been posted about what a tape is, there's nothing more I can say or do...politely. I'd suggest (once again) going back into a digest archive and reading february's digests, you'll find plenty there. --> if you STILL don't understand tape trees and ACTUALLY want to participate (as opposed to those whose intentions are really to sit on the sidelines and bitch), then I would suggest that you sign up for the next tree (Nos. 6-7) and take it from there -- they are really pretty simple and inexpensive and they really don't bite or anything like that; hell, you don't even have to use a condom and you almost never have to take it in the ass (unless you are the seed or the administrator -- both of whom speak from experience).... you know, active learning (eg doing) is really better than passive learning (reading).... dub-on lars (who finds it interesting that most of the tape-tree criticism comes from those NOT on the trees...... we'll just have to wait for june 7 to see if there really are any 'satisfied customers' out there) (thanks to tomw for this explanation from the pink f-ies) ##### ## ##### ###### ##### ##### ###### ###### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # ##### ##### # ###### ##### # # ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ###### # # # ###### ###### If a tapetree falls in the cyber-forest, and there is no one around to hear it, would it make a sound ? Who needs information ? What follows is a rather lengthy eplanation on tapetrees, based on info found on the net (most notably the phish archives www.phish.net), advice from other echosians and my own limited experience in running tapetrees. If you have any questions, comments and/or suggestions please contact me at: gerhard@j... Thanks .. Wot's .. uh .. the deal ? A tape tree is a way to get a tape spread out fast through many people. Example: The Essential Roio Tree. I have a set of roio tapes that I think any serious floyd fan should hear. There are (at a rough estimate) a 150 serious floyd fans who do not yet have this particular tape on echoes. This would mean I would have to dub 150 copies.so I organise a tree. I [0] dub a copy for 5 people [1] who each dub a copy for 5 people [2] who make a copy for 5 people [3], and so 150 people have gotten a copy, while noone had to make more than 5 dubs. Any colour you like You can be either a SOURCE: -> meaning you already have the tape that's being treed, and you're willing to dub copies [0] in the above a SOURCE is sometimes known as SEED. BRANCH: -> you don't yet have a copy, but if you get a copy through the tree, you are willing to DUB copies [1] and [2] in the above BRANCH LEADER: -> aka TOP LEVEL BRANCH, the persons who are getting copies straight from the SOURCE, [1] LEAF: -> you don't have a copy, you do want one, but you are unable to dub copies, due to lack of time and/or lack of decent equipment.[3] PARENT/CHILD: A PARENT dubs copies for his/her CHILD, a CHILD gets copies from the PARENT. in the above [1] is the PARENT of [2], [2] is the CHILD of [1], and the PARENT of [3], [3] is the CHILD of [2]. Take up they tapedeck and play How to get your copy ? Sign up for the tree, after an announced period of time everyone who has signed up receives a copy of the full tree structure, and a note gets posted to echoes saying that the copy has been mailed out to all who participated, or if the tree is large, a note is posted to echoes, saying that the treestructure is made public on http://some.web.site/some/where, and that those whitout webacces, should contact the organizer to receive a copy of the structure. Many people prefer to get a confirmation when they sign up, but it's a lot of work to confirm each message you get, so not all tree managers do this. If you did sign up, but didn't get a copy this is the moment to contact the organizer. Biding my time Once you have gotten the structure, wait for your branchleader to contact you, or contact him, and if you are a SOURCE or BRANCH, contact your leaves. And then have patience .. your parent does her best to get the tapes out as fast as she can, and so do her parents, but tape trees can easily get delayed .. international mail takes a week (maybe two) to get around, dubbing takes time. On a big tree (6 tapes per dub) estimate a month delay for each level between you and the source, and that is provided nothing strange happens to cause further delays. Money Tape trees are done for fun, and to spread good music around, not for monetary gain .. act accordingly .. You either trade with your branch, or do a 2:1 trade [see further on] What shall we do now ? Proper behaviour: the following are just guidelines, no rules, just guidelines. *administrator* - shall allow enough time for people to sign up - shall make it clear when the deadline for subscription is - shall not flood echoes with subscription info (once a week is enough) - shall keep echoes up-to-date w.r.t. relevant info. - shall be there to help solve conflicts/problems on the tree - shall do her best to make sure people can get the tree structure - shall not beat people out of frustartion when things go again different than planned Tree PARENT: - shall contact her children upon receiving the tapes from her PARENT. - shall contact CHILD upon receiving of the tapetreesturcture to arrange the trade - shall do her upmost to get the tapes to her CHILDren asap. - shall _never_ _ever_ _under_ *NO* _circumstance_ use HiSpeed dubbing, nor autoreverse dubbing. Tree CHILD: - shall contact PARENT upon reception of the tree sturcture to arrange the trade * Trade shows or trade 2:1 blanks * type of tapes, what length * send tapes or tapes and boxes - shall mail a complete package to PARENT including * the trade * wot's uh the deal was (a printout of the last (few)emails works miracles * the return adress. - shall have patience - shall mail a note after receiving the tapes - shall not complain on echoes about the trade, but shall try to work things out with parent, or failing that with the administrator. The happiest tapes of out lives Mailing the tapes -- more guidelines -- (again this is all MHO, guidelines, not rules) * use a padded envelope * make your envelope reusable, safe the rainforests * reuse envelopes * pack your tapes correctly - if you send tapes with boxes, magic tape them together, so that they form one stronger whole (remember aesop) - if you send tapes sans boxes (I prefer this) -> if doing a 2:1 trade, the extra tapes should be sent WITH boxes unless otherwise agreed with parent use some elastic band (or suchlike) to keep the tapes tightly wound (put band through holes, wrap around the back, pronto). do *not* scotch tape tapes whitout boxes together * if you do a 2:1 trade, send *new* tapes, in boxes. * use enough postage * when mailing international, mail tapes as GIFT on the custom form * when mailinbg crosscontinental, send tapes AIRMAIL (from me (netherlands) to australia takes less than 2 weeks airmail, but takes over 2 months per seamail) A sourcefull of secrets Other sources of information * the trading guidelines on echoserv (email to echoserv@t... with a body of) send trading.guidelines echoes quit * the phish archives (www.phish.net) have a few chapters about tapetrees. * the broken arrow (Neil Young) website has some info and pointers as well 2:1 trades For each tape you want atped, you sent 2 tapes. One will get send back to you, the other tapes is to cover postage costs for the taper. The second tape should preferably be a new TDK SA-90 or Maxell Xl-II 90 tape (the tapetraders unit of currency). Buying tapes. The following adresses have been recommended to me by ``satisfied customers'', as suppliers of tapes for a decent price. * USA ``btw, for USA Branches: If you need to buy blanks at cheap prices. Call my friends at Terrapin Tapes in Greenwich, CT. They have damn good prices! Shipping is free if you buy 50 or more tapes! Call them at 1-800-677-8650.'' * Europe > email: sales@t... > Web: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/tapehouse Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14001 Re: don't understand tape trees? read this TWeibre361@a... Thu 5/28/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 3:42 pm Subject: Re: D: Live: Are Trees 1 + 2 That Bad? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-05-27 20:30:34 EDT, you write: << >please, i cant listen to those tapes again.... Is the stuff really that bad (in your opinion)? >> I haven't heard any of the Tape Tree #1 and #2 tapes, yet, so I am not trying to sway anybody, here. I was just curious why you made the statement you did. not at all...but, when i make 8 dubs of the same tape, and begin to commit to memory almost every minute detail of the music, i know ive heard enough for the time being... tom w np: namlook/laswell - outland 3 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 3:59 pm Subject: Re: D: Live ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-05-28 06:01:08 EDT, you write: << >> I'll be posting the items for discussion during the first week in June >> for a discussion start on Sunday 7th June. > >bad timing...the world cup starts that week... ??? - Don't tell me that anybody in the US cares about that :-) I thought only us Europeans, South Americans and Asians will be offline during that time... >> will be watching (and offline), especially when sampson's army shows you germans a thing or two about playing soccer.... tom w np: the official usa soccer theme: the battle hymn of the republic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 4:00 pm Subject: Re: Kraftwerk in LA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-05-28 06:05:55 EDT, you write: << Hey folks... I unexpectedly have two extra tickets to the Kraftwerk concert at the Hollywood Palladium on June 8. Anyone who is interested, please contact me. >> and i have a pair for nyc... tom w np: namlook/laswell - outland 3 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 5:36 pm Subject: Astral Landscapes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek I heard mention on this list of this 2 CD release called 'Astral Landscapes'. Does anyone have any information on this. Is it a sampler or a TD compilation? Thanks, Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 5:47 pm Subject: one more message from me -- posters ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I recently found my klaus schulze poster but I can't remember which album it was in? moondawn? does anyone know? it's a 6-fold poster of 6 scenes KS in concert in front of his big moog? (apologies to the gear heads) the light is sort of reddish... any help (off list or on is appreciated) oh, yeah, was the tyger poster sent out with tdifc membership the big honker that says 'tyger, the next studio album'?? and the tyger image is the one from the relativity cd please let me know thanks lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14000 Re: one more message from me -- posters Sean Montgomery Thu 5/28/1998 3 KB 14002 Re: one more message from me -- posters Marcel Engels Thu 5/28/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 6:16 pm Subject: RE: Interesting list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >http://www.shopping.com >search for Tangerine Dream.... Below is a list of what they showed. Unfortunately, all the stuff you want, they say 'Not currently available for purchase.' Scott Discography TITLE MEDIA YEAR Ardem O (Argonautica Americana Part 2) Album B.C. Soundtracks Album Cloudburst Album Collected Endings (Argonautica Americana, Part 3) Album Danger Live Album Dead Solid Perfect Album Emerald Beyond [Limited Edition] Album Me-Rad [Argonautica Americana, Part 1] Album Mojave Album Somnambulistic Imagery Album Sound and Effects Album Soundtrack for Fantasy Album Vulcano Album Electronic Meditation Album 1970 Alpha Centauri Album 1971 Zeit Album 1972 Atem Album 1973 Phaedra Album 1974 Ricochet Album 1975 Rubycon Album 1975 Atem/Alpha Album 1976 Stratosfear Album 1976 Electronic Orgy: The Rare-Songs Collection 1971-1995 Album 1977 Encore Album 1977 Sorcerer Album 1977 Cyclone Album 1978 Force Majeure Album 1978 70/90 Album 1980 Tangram Album 1980 Exit Album 1981 Thief Album 1981 Die Melodie aus Dem Gleichnamigen TATORT Album 1982 Logos Album 1982 White Eagle Album 1982 Hyperborea Album 1983 Firestarter Album 1984 Flashpoint Album 1984 Poland Album 1984 Poland [Extracts] Album 1984 Poland: The Warsaw Concert [#2] Album 1984 Risky Business Album 1984 Warsaw in the Sun Album 1984 Dream Sequence Album 1985 Le Parc Album 1985 Streethawk Album 1985 Desert Dream Album 1986 Dream Music: The Movie Music of Tangerine Dream Album 1986 Green Desert Album 1986 Heartbreakers Album 1986 In the Beginning Album 1986 Legend Album 1986 Pergamon Album 1986 Underwater Sunlight Album 1986 Canyon Dreams Album 1987 Collection Album 1987 Deadly Care Album 1987 Near Dark Album 1987 Shy People Album 1987 Three O'Clock High Album 1987 Time for Heros Single 1987 Tyger Album 1987 Livemiles Album 1988 Marakesh Album 1988 Optical Race Album 1988 Optical Race [single] Single 1988 Alexander Square Single 1989 Best of Tangerine Dream Album 1989 Destination Berlin Album 1989 Lily on the Beach Album 1989 Miracle Mile Album 1989 Oranges Don't Dance Single 1990 Melrose Album 1990 I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You Single 1991 L'Affaire Wallraff (The Man Inside) Album 1991 From Dawn Til Dusk Album 1991 Private Music of Tangerine Dream Album 1992 Quinoa (Ltd Fanclub Edition) Album 1992 Rockoon (Special Editon CD Single) Single 1992 Rockoon Album 1992 Park Is Mine Album 1992 Best of Tangerine Dream 1984-1988 Album 1992 220 Volt Live Album 1993 Dreaming on Danforth Avenue Album 1993 Dreamtime [Limited Edition] Single 1993 Mystery Tracks Album 1993 Phaedra/Rubycon/Ricochet Album 1993 Mystery Tracks, Vol. 2 Album 1994 Tangents: 1973-83 Album 1994 Turn of the Tide Album 1994 Story of Tangerine Dream Album 1994 Catch Me If You Can Album 1994 Turn of the Tides [Single #2] Single 1994 Tyranny of Beauty Album 1995 Turn of the Tides [Single #1] Single 1995 Atmospherics Single 1995 Dream Mixes Album 1995 Dream Music 2 Album 1995 Shepherd's Bush Single 1996 Zoning Album 1996 Book of Dreams Album 1996 Goblin's Club Album 1996 Dream Roots Collection Album 1996 Maedchen on the Stairs (Limited World Tour Edition: 1997) Single 1997 Grammy Nominated Albums Album 1997 Towards the Evening Star (Orb Remix) Single 1997 Tournado Album 1997 Oasis Album 1997 Ambient Monkeys Album 1998 TimeSquare - Dream Mixes II Album 1998 Analogue Space Years 1969-1973 Album 1998 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14005 Re: Interesting list =?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWW Thu 5/28/1998 18 KB 14006 Re: Interesting list Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 5/29/1998 3 KB 14007 Re: Interesting list =?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWW Fri 5/29/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu May 28, 1998 6:22 pm Subject: Re: one more message from me -- posters ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > oh, yeah, was the tyger poster sent out with tdifc membership the big > honker that says 'tyger, the next studio album'?? and the tyger image is > the one from the relativity cd Yeah, that sounds familiar...but they used that same poster to adverise the 1987 Reichstag show. I got a copy of that from Filmhaus Munchen, if memory serves (along with an Optical Race sweatshirt, woo hoo!). That poster has info on the back about the band, along with a picture of the 1987 lineup. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean