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Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 3:28
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #258
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Really-From: Kees
At 10:58 22-04-98 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: Vincent Goudreault
>
>
>tadream mailing list wrote:
>>
>> > Really-From: SRiser3600
>>
>> I HEARD SOME TIME BACK ABOUT MACULA TRANSFER BEING RELEASED ON CD
>> HAS THIS HAPPENED YET ////?????
>
>
>(ahum-hum *clearing throat*...) YES IT HAS, I MANAGED TO GET IT, SOME
>KIND SOUL ON THIS LIST SENT AN EMAIL ADDRESS WHERE YOU CAN ORDER IT
>FROM.
(whispering, now being deaf on BOTH ears) try Groove at http://mcs.nl/groove/
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Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 3:21
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Subject: Re: RPM-Records
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> You lucky guy ! I ordered TS and AM in december last year by RPM records
> and I didn't get anything until today ! Maybe these people can't deliver
> outside the US ! ;-(
That's interesting....they can certainly deliver to Canada. I've ordered
from them a few times and they've always been friendly and prompt.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
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Subject: Re: SV: Stuntman
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> I saw a stuntman vinyl in a recordshop, and I was wondering if it is worth
> picking up? >>
> Get it if for no other reason than the photography on the cover; but
> the
> music is pretty good too. Dell
Yeah, I was always intrigued by The Beatles White Album. Wonderful cover
photography, but the music inside... it's classic....David
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Subject: Re: Ambient Monkeys
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Really-From: Boneheads1
I got my copy of Ambient Monkeys and TimeSquare from a local store that
specializes in imported music. They had to mail order to get them, and I
don't know where they were dealing with. I went back last week to see if they
could get another copy and they said that they can not get them any more.
They even tried to order a couple of copies for the store and are not able to
obtain them. They mentioned that there is a rumor of these albums being
released in the USA, but they have no confirmation. I hope they are released,
it would be a waste not to.
Tim Scallon
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Subject: Oh Canada NO TD
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Hi.,
Not that I know of- but if I say I am can I get royalties? By the way I was
joking in my previous two post Vincent :) . I just wanna get along! I am upset
I gotta miss the discussion tho-on account of the trip-not on account of
Canada(proper SP). I love you all.......good nite!
Chris
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>Chris. . .Chouinard
Hey, are you related to the mountaineer named Chouinard who
invented those little doodads that bear his name?
Scott
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Subject: Re: Steven & the Keep (was: RE: The Keep(?))
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
> > Will the discussion of the release go away. What will
> Steve do?
>
> I finally figured it out. It all makes perfect sense now! Steven
> is like Mulder on the X-Files. Despite all the evidence to the contrary
> (but count me among the believers) he still believes. Gotta admire that
> in a man.
>
> Scott
I might point out that this is also a quality found in the worst
religious fanatics.
Gabe
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Subject: Steven & the Keep (was: RE: The Keep(?))
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> Will the discussion of the release go away. What will
Steve do?
I finally figured it out. It all makes perfect sense now! Steven
is like Mulder on the X-Files. Despite all the evidence to the contrary
(but count me among the believers) he still believes. Gotta admire that
in a man.
Scott
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Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 6:50
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Subject: RE: Being nice to your friends up north, eh
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
> >Oh yeah? Like, you try to imply that perhaps we drive too slow
> or
> >something? Perhaps you should try to keep up with me in my
> 1997
> >Mustang GT while I play TD's Dolphin Dance on my cassette
> player?
> >(With a still undisclosed number of police officers in pursuit
> >trying to stop me... ;-) Try THAT in one of L.A.'s congested
> >highway at rush hour!!!
>
> Apparently you don't live in Toronto.
>
> Scott
No, he doesn't. Quebec's economy may be decrepit, the political situation
an uncertain mess, but there are still some things we can get away with
with here by NOT living in or near Toronto (perhaps the most ATYPICAL
Canadian city, IMO).
Gabe
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Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 1:24
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #258
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Really-From: 'Tom Richmond'
>
>> Get it if for no other reason than the photography on the cover;
>>but the music is pretty good too. Dell
>
> I'd say that it's his second best album (the first being EPSILON
>IN MALAYSIAN PALE).
Don't forget AGES! My personal favorite.
> Also, if you get a first pressing of this LP, the liner is a thick
>carboard sleeve with about 40 small color photographs of Edgar on each
>side (that makes a total of about 80 pics!).
Just had my copy out over the weekend to tape for somebody, had pictures on
one side and solid black on the other... Hmmm...
See you all later
Tom
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Subject: RE: The Keep (Not Really)
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>Chris. . .Chouinard
Hey, are you related to the mountaineer named Chouinard who
invented those little doodads that bear his name?
Scott
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Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 6:29
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Subject: Re: Being nice to your friends up north, eh
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Really-From: Vincent Goudreault
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> >Oh yeah? Like, you try to imply that perhaps we drive too slow
> or
> >something? Perhaps you should try to keep up with me in my
> 1997
> >Mustang GT while I play TD's Dolphin Dance on my cassette
> player?
> >(With a still undisclosed number of police officers in pursuit
> >trying to stop me... ;-) Try THAT in one of L.A.'s congested
> >highway at rush hour!!!
>
> Apparently you don't live in Toronto.
>
> Scott
No, Montreal. Which can be almost as bad, but I usually leave the
office long after rush hour...
(That is, unless some law enforcement officer is reading this...)
VG
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Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 7:33
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Subject: Re: [Fwd: THE KEEP ( YES, Really)]
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
Wy my message is being cut ?
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Message posted again. The former was cut by the virtual dimension.
I Have another thing to comment here.
I don't understand why some people here try to ban a perfectly on topic
theme.
Maybe it was discussed to death, but
- first it doesn't take so high bandwidth.
- second it's ON TOPIC
- third there isn't really other serious stuff going on here and
the Keep stuff isn't breaking any thought line at all.
- fourth I like it and enjoy reading it.
- 5th if you don't like it, don't read it. I don't read a lot of
messages on this list because the subject line doesn't
touch my curiosity or I have enough of it.
- 6th Don't be another gold-tri, please
- 7th (your other reasons here)
let's be a little democratic and tolerant. I love this list even if it really
interest me no more than 10% of the normal traffic.
--- Francisco
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Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 6:27
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Subject: RE: Being nice to your friends up north...NOTD
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Being of French Canadian descent, and having my relatives who ALL live in
Canada really don't care. I did not mean offense, and if you have taken offense
to a trivial tack on -which is OBVIOUSLY an attempt at poor humor-you really
have some things to work out.
Chris
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Really-From: Vincent Goudreault
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
>
>
> Chris-the pissed off Carpet man with no money who has to miss the TD
> conference on the Dominion cuz he has to go to a Goddamn carpet
> meeting in Friggin canada and could give a shit less- Chouinard
Some of us, living in this country, may take offence to our place of
birth being referred as 'Friggin', capital 'F' or not...
After all *we* did NOT invent C&W 'music'... and I bet there are
proportionally more TD fans in out population than in the US of A.
;-)
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957
online since early 1993, TD fan since 1977
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 5:46
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #258
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Really-From: Rainer Rutka
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> > > Really-From: SRiser3600
> > I HEARD SOME TIME BACK ABOUT MACULA TRANSFER BEING RELEASED ON CD
> > HAS THIS HAPPENED YET ////?????
> (ahum-hum *clearing throat*...) YES IT HAS, I MANAGED TO GET IT, SOME
> KIND SOUL ON THIS LIST SENT AN EMAIL ADDRESS WHERE YOU CAN ORDER IT
> FROM.
OK !
Here it is: ManikinMS@a...
The name of the guy is Mario Schoenwaelder and he's selling the
Macula-Transfer cd. It's worth getting it !
Rainer
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Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 2:58
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #258
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Really-From: Vincent Goudreault
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> > Really-From: SRiser3600
>
> I HEARD SOME TIME BACK ABOUT MACULA TRANSFER BEING RELEASED ON CD
> HAS THIS HAPPENED YET ////?????
(ahum-hum *clearing throat*...) YES IT HAS, I MANAGED TO GET IT, SOME
KIND SOUL ON THIS LIST SENT AN EMAIL ADDRESS WHERE YOU CAN ORDER IT
FROM.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957
online since early 1993, TD fan since 1977
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 2:54
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Subject: RE: The Keep (Not Really)
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Really-From: KRAUSENECKS
Hi Gang,
I too own two rare Star Wars Revenge items, one a patch that was sent out
to all the members of the fan club, and two a fold out with the 'now in
production' notation for REVENGE. This was a insert in a variety trade paper. I
can't even get quotes on this puppy-but I own it ( IT IS FOR SALE THO). On
the TD tip- I know there are people sick of the Keep tirade, but aside from the
IT EXISTS argument, I do enjoy discussion on the score(s) . In fact this
weekend I made a 6hour reel to reel (remember those?) of all the collected
recording in the order of the film. IE- all the Gloria-one after another, all
the Logostype/Logos/Brothers in Evil/Two guards getting the big whack of death
etc. etc. Aside from taking a hell of a long time to do, and transferring the
laser, audiotape, and various cd's - I used Steven Feldman's post on the
different scores to compile this monster- tho I take difference to the Tournado
track being like anything in the Keep. Anyhoo- I guess my point is this I am
done with the Did it or Didn't it exist brouhaha, but if I gotta hear about
Zeit and Atem- shouldn't I be able to hear/read about I score I LIKE? Just my
opinion, I could be wrong.Nudge Nudge wink wink!
Chris-the pissed off Carpet man with no money who has to miss the TD conference
on the Dominion cuz he has to go to a Goddamn carpet meeting in Friggin canada
and could give a shit less- Chouinard
N.P. Heavy Metal -the Bernstein score (thank god for supercollector)
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Really-From: DAVENTURA
Although this thread has been beaten to death, I must add something. Back in
1977, I saw a motion picture called 'Star Wars' that changed my life forever.
I started collecting everything I could get my hands on. Months before
'Return of the Jedi' was released, I was lucky enough to come across a
'Revenge of the Jedi' one sheet, which was the original title. I have spoken
with many 'Star Wars' fans who don't believe I have this poster, but it is
hanging right in front of me as I type. In fact, I've been offered $1200 for
it. My original 12 inch Darth Vader, mint in box, is worth an estimated $500.
I think I paid 15 bucks for it. As far as 'The Keep' is concerned, I can't
comment. But when Steven finally finds it, I believe it will be his Lost Ark.
Remember what happened to that? Thank you for listening, I now return you to
your regularly scheduled rants....David
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Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 3:30
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Subject: Re: The Keep: The Facts (Nice Try--Not!)
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Really-From: Vic Rek
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>>Really-From: Vic Rek
[...]
> Bad word choice ('speculation'). I am not speculating when I go on
>a rant about having seen a copy of THE KEEP soundtrack in 1984. It is a
>fact. If you have a problem believing that, it's your problem. Don't
>go jumping to conclusions just because the head of a company tells you
>something. Maybe he -- like Edgar -- is just giving you the party-line
>spiel.
I think that the man I spoke with was with Famous Music before you wore
diapers. I will not mention names. Secondly, everyone called ME back and
discussed the issue, so there was an open discussion (this can happen, even
in the case of The Keep). Haven't you done this simple research which took
only half a day to complete? I know why you didn't do this simple inquiry,
because YOU don't want to know the facts and you think this damn album is
some kind of music business cult conspiracy. Maybe you and your 2 other TD
affidavits saw a cardboard promo sheet for the upcoming release (in cassete
maybe too)? Haven't you seen these things? But if the LP wasn't released,
then the cardboard displays went away and so did The Keep. Maybe that's why
nobody could buy it, because it was just a piece of cardboard (at best).
Chill Steven, you have better news to contribute I'm sure. I no longer need
to hear about this quest of yours, sorry. Show us the album, or just be
mute. If you're pissed, so be it!
Your friend,
Vic
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Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 12:14
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Subject: RE: Request for Cyberchat Netiquette Primer
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> There are six questions I'd like to ask Eddy 'n' Jerry:
Could someone ask Ed what happened to the other 45 min. from
Sorceror? I hae to work. :-(
Scott
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Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 8:43
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Subject: Re: The Keep (Not Really)
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Really-From: DAVENTURA
Dano writes:
> You must have some fairly geeky friends
Yeah, you just made the top of the list for that remark....David
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Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 9:12
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Subject: The Cosmic Jokers
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Really-From: jupe
I have for sale or trade :
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Face A GALACTIC JOKE 22´ 38
Face B COSMIC JOY 19´ 24
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Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 9:40
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Subject: New TD Video & Live Chat
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Really-From: Odyssey Productions
We have just released a new video of spectacular computer animation with a
soundtrack by Tangerine Dream entitled 'Luminous Visions'. Please visit
http://www.odyssey3d.com/ for more info.
LIVE CHAT WITH TANGERINE DREAM!
Wednesday April 22 at 5pm (PDT) the Sci-Fi Channel's website, The Dominion, is
hosting an on-line 'rave' chat event, featuring TANGERINE DREAM. Edgar &
Jerome Froese will be online, answering questions and chatting about the music
for Odyssey's newest video 'LUMINOUS VISIONS'. Go to the dedicated 'rave'
page: http://www.scifi.com/rave/ for more information, and to
http://www.scifi.com/chat/ for the chat.
Adrian Turcotte - aturcotte@o... - (619) 793-1900
Executive Producer - Odyssey Productions - 4413 Ocean Valley Lane
San Diego, CA 92130 - http://www.odyssey3d.com - FAX 793-1942
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Date: Wed Apr 22, 1998 7:16
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Subject: a grovel
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Really-From: Ben Ohmart
could someone Please make me a tape of the last cd of the Tangents (i
think?) box which has the unreleased stuff? email me. thanks.
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Date: Thu Apr 23, 1998 12:35
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Subject: Answers from the TD Rave
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
I'm keeping a transcript of the TD 'Rave' at the SCI FI Channel Page, but
some questions have already been answered.
1) The Quinoa re-release *will* include the Easter Island track, Voxel UX
2) Edgar has no *immediate* plans to retire...and thus they opted not to
answer the question of whether Jerome would carry on with other
collaborators.
3) To the question: 'Will you ever work with Franke and Schmoelling again?
Will you ever work with Klaus Schulze?', they answered: 'Franke? No.
Schmoelling? No. Schulze? Certainly not.'
Take from that what you will.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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Really-From: Michael Fox
Just got offline with the TD chat. Interesting. Their usual obtuse selfs!
Fun though! A log can be found (Thurs) at
http://www.scifi.com/chat/chatnow.html
Look for the chat log archive.
Good fun, eh, Daventura and Sean (and any others I didn't recognize!)
Mike (aka: foxman)
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
For those who can't wait, I've already posted a rough, non-HTML
transcript of the chat session on my website:
An interesting experience! My absolute favourite moment was this, since
it came totally without warning or provocation:
Question from Tadream: Which bastard is responsible for
'Electronic Orgy'? We'll get you.
Are the perpetrators quaking in their 'boots'?
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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At 05:35 PM 4/22/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>I'm keeping a transcript of the TD 'Rave' at the SCI FI Channel Page, but
>some questions have already been answered.
Either the chat was only an hour long, or I'm in the wrong place...
Morgan
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p.s. Are the transcripts online anywhere?
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> *joke mode off*
>
> (whisper: Dan, I hope you noticed the smily after my original post,
> yes? Actually, what really offended me was the Chris didn't
> write Canada with the capital 'C'... NOT. Now, joke mode REALLY
> off...)
>
> ;-)
>
> C hey B hey Vincent hey Goudreault, hey
Take off, eh. ;-)
Dano
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On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:12:01 +0200, you wrote:
>Really-From: jupe
>
>
>I have for sale or trade :
>
>LP THE COSMIC JOKERS (featuring Klaus Schulze) OHR MUSIC 840.060
>
>Face A GALACTIC JOKE 22´ 38
>Face B COSMIC JOY 19´ 24
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>Jupe
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I'll buy side A. Let me know how much...
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On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:07:07 -0400, you wrote:
> >Oh yeah? Like, you try to imply that perhaps we drive too slow
>or
> >something? Perhaps you should try to keep up with me in my
>1997
> >Mustang GT while I play TD's Dolphin Dance on my cassette
>player?
> >(With a still undisclosed number of police officers in pursuit
> >trying to stop me... ;-) Try THAT in one of L.A.'s congested
> >highway at rush hour!!!
>
> Apparently you don't live in Toronto.
>
> Scott
>
I live in Toronto, and I'm totally offended by your remark!! Why I
ought to...oh, my 12 CD changer just switched to a non-TD CD so I
better quit discussing TD.
F*cking traffic!!!
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> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
> An interesting experience! My absolute favourite moment was this, since
> it came totally without warning or provocation:
>
> Question from Tadream: Which bastard is responsible for
> 'Electronic Orgy'? We'll get you.
Another interesting tidbit (thanks for posting the transcript, Sean) is
that, when inquired about a North American tour, Ed and Jerome replied,
'Fall, probably...'
::E::
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I picked up Haslinger's 'Planetary Traveller' and I must say it is
fantastic! First of all, the visuals which were created completely on
desktop computers, are stunning. The video has a nice flow to it as you
travel from one mystical planet to the next by a futuristic spaceship.
Each world is beautiful in its design. This is definitely eye candy. I
only have the VHS version so I am sure the laserdisc and DVD must be
amazing. Creator and director Jan Nickman must be applauded.
Thanks for listening. Oh....you wanted to hear about the music too? Hehe.
Mr. Haslinger has done quite well with creating an aural soundscape which
perfectly compliments the visuals. For example, as the spaceship
investigates a firey red planet very much like Mars, the menacing
atmosphere, the alien thunder and lightning are acommpanied by music which
is dark, scary, with plenty of booms and cymbal crashes. Another world is
cold, white and icy. Looking upon this planet you are in awe of its
peaceful beauty but you also can't shake that feeling of absolute
lonlieness. Again Haslinger's music fits the mood of this desolate planet.
The only similarity you could say with this and Franke's music is that
they both have used the same orchestra. Haslinger has used the orchestra
as a flourish here and there and not as a foundation for the music. I'd
still call this an electronic score.
The video is 40 minutes 'short'. I say this because I really enjoyed it
and it was over too quickly for me. It was satisfying but I wanted more.
I've always thought Haslinger was talented, he squelches any doubts with
this project. For those with an eye for detail, in the end credits they
have his name spelled 'Hasslinger.'
For the record, I have the TD 'Luminous Visions' video/CD set also but I
like Planetary Traveller better.
Oscar Dean
np: AFX - Analogue Bubblebath
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Just thought I'd mention that I signed up for this program through
GeoCities & CDNow where if people go to CDNow through my web page and
buy something, I get points toward free CD's! I have the link on my page
set to go to their main page, or straight to TD, so if you're gonna buy
from CDNow, do me a favor and go through my page, at:
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palladium/5728/index.html. You can
also see my tape trade list there.
Amazon.com has a similar program set up, but I haven't done that yet.
Scott E. Plumer
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Greetings all!
to : Will the upcoming TDI release of
Quinoa have have material that wasn't on the Fan Club release?
To Sean: Yeah, some exclusive material, including 'Voxel Ux'
'nuff said!
goozer
(P.S. to 'Voxel'): Don't worry, ours will still be unique...
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Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
Last night's chat was pretty cool, we actually spoke to the gods and
they answered (albeit usually in short form). I'm glad to see that they
are working on a bio vid. Hopefully they'll use cuts from all periods,
not just the F/F/Spa/Z-Man era.
I asked Edgar about his comments in a Keyboard Mag interview some years
back concerning alternate music making machines, something he called
E-Balls (hopfully doesn't stand for Edgar's balls!) and the cryptic
answer I got back seems to indicate that there might possibly be a TD
hardware firm prototyping some new input or compositional toys. They
stated that they were on-line at the TDI offices with their 'mentor' (I
assume that's German for lawyer) so we couldn't pry too much out of
them.
Interesting about the Shulze answer on collaboration. 'Definitely Not!'.
Franke just got a 'no'. From the flames shot at Franke in various
interviews, I would have thought the answers would be reversed.
Someone asked what the next release would be and they said the 'TDI
catalog.' I guess we'll be maxing our credit cards again.
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> I asked Edgar about his comments in a Keyboard Mag interview some years
> back concerning alternate music making machines, something he called
> E-Balls (hopfully doesn't stand for Edgar's balls!)
Now *that* would be funny. Just twirl Edgar's balls in your hand, and out
come the most intriguing sounds....
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
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> Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
>
>
> Greetings all!
>
> to : Will the upcoming TDI release of
> Quinoa have have material that wasn't on the Fan Club release?
> To Sean: Yeah, some exclusive material, including 'Voxel Ux'
>
> 'nuff said!
>
> goozer
>
> (P.S. to 'Voxel'): Don't worry, ours will still be unique...
But will they have done anything to 'Quinoa' itself--like extra sections
that weren't in the original version?
While I'm here...
Where is that live version of 'Sobornost' again?
Is it on '3 Tier Dream'? The London Hammersmith 1981 show?
Gabe
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Yo-
>
>But will they have done anything to 'Quinoa' itself--like extra sections
>that weren't in the original version?
I hope so! But I doubt it...
>While I'm here...
>Where is that live version of 'Sobornost' again?
>Is it on '3 Tier Dream'? The London Hammersmith 1981 show?
Yep, that's the one, as far as best sound quality goes. It's also on the
Dreamtime CD-R, in poorer quality. If only the TV solo version Edgar did
was in stereo...
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On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
>
>
> > I asked Edgar about his comments in a Keyboard Mag interview some years
> > back concerning alternate music making machines, something he called
> > E-Balls (hopfully doesn't stand for Edgar's balls!)
>
> Now *that* would be funny. Just twirl Edgar's balls in your hand, and out
> come the most intriguing sounds....
OOOOHHHHH, that one was *nasty* Sean! I love it!!! ;)
> SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
> > I asked Edgar about his comments in a Keyboard Mag interview some
> years
> > back concerning alternate music making machines, something he called
> > E-Balls (hopfully doesn't stand for Edgar's balls!)
>
> Now *that* would be funny. Just twirl Edgar's balls in your hand, and
> out
> come the most intriguing sounds....
>
I'm guessing it would be in the higher octaves. Good for Kitaro
solo-type stuff.
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
They had a list of studio gear for sale as well. Here's the list for
those who might be interested:
* Omnicraft GT-4 noise gate (4 gates w/keys). $150.00
* DBX 166 compressor/limiter, stereo. $225.00
* EMU-Proformance Plus, piano module. $200.00
* Alesis SR16 drum machine. $150
* Aphex Big Bottom $150.00
* Yamaha NS10 Speakers $260.00
* Juice Goose Power Conditioner, 16 A.C. input. $100.00
* AB Systems Design 3 way speaker switch, rack mount, banana plugs.
Great for studio. $125
* Roland U220 Rack mount synth module. $225
* Tannoy PS88 Subwoofer $125
* Otari 5050B 1/4' tape deck 15/30 IPS $250
* Adam Smith ZETA III Syncronzier $650
* Fostex 2020 line mixer, 8 in, modified with mute switches $50
* Midiman Fineline 24 channel, rack mount, mixer $75
* Fostex 3030 stereo graphic equalizer $35.
Call Art Munson at 615-952-4993. Or visit our web site at
http://www.tape.com
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On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
>
>
> Yo-
> >
> >But will they have done anything to 'Quinoa' itself--like extra sections
> >that weren't in the original version?
>
> I hope so! But I doubt it...
Too bad I had to study last night...would have loved to be there at that
chat.
> >While I'm here...
> >Where is that live version of 'Sobornost' again?
> >Is it on '3 Tier Dream'? The London Hammersmith 1981 show?
>
> Yep, that's the one, as far as best sound quality goes. It's also on the
> Dreamtime CD-R, in poorer quality. If only the TV solo version Edgar did
> was in stereo...
Not to mention that huge dropout near the end of it!
> goozer
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring
> at the line between black & white for
> so long that their vision has blurred.'
> ---------------------------------------------------
and I say: those who believe the world exists in black and white have
been staring at opposite ends of the contiuum so long they've gone
walleyed!
Gabe
who wonders if TD could do a credible Sobornost '98
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Hello all,
I have a large saleslist with 500+ mainly vinyl items of electronic,
progressive, avant-garde, psychedelic and symphonic music. It does
contain a very large Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream section. (more than
100 items together) with lots of very rare Kraftwerk collectables. If
you wish I can send you this list by e-mail. I will send an attached
Word document. If you want a plain ASCI listing included in the message
please let me know.
The list also contains a few nice live CD items.
I am also interested in buying or trading rare vinyl items.
Greetings,
Peter van Dam
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I know it probably was listed before, but what tracks are on the CD to
Luminous Visions? Tom
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Never mind, got the track listing. Sorry for the useless post. Thanks anyway.
Tom
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As of this time, the transcript is still not there. Here is the link
directly to the transcripts--keep checking...
http://www.scifi.com/transcripts
Mike
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> As of this time, the transcript is still not there. Here is the link
> directly to the transcripts--keep checking...
>
> http://www.scifi.com/transcripts
Or Go to this page to read it now:
http://www.topix.com/~sean/td_chat
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
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Subject: 'Luminous Visions'
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Really-From: Steven Churchill
Greetings!
For those of you who haven't seen it yet, the new video 'Luminous Visions'
features the very best work of computer animation virtuoso Yoichiro
Kawaguchi and music by Tangerine Dream. The project was produced by
Odyssey Productions, producer of the critically acclaimed 'Mind’s Eye' home
video series.
This spellbinding journey begins with an artificial intelligence form that
morphs into visually-stimulating three-dimensional worlds. The video then
creates a menagerie of sensuous, almost virtually tactile 'organisms' that
flow, swim and evolve in a dazzling dance of cyber-life. Tangerine Dream's
music is perfect for the project and includes some re-mixes not currently
available in the US. The CD soundtrack comes with the video, at no extra
cost.
'Luminous Visions' is available through Sony Music Video at most large
video outlets on VHS tape, and will be released on DVD May 5th, and on
Laser Disc on June 3rd.
Feel free to write if you have any questions. Take care!
Steven Churchill
Producer
Odyssey Productions
http://www.odyssey3d.com/
http://www.mindseyepresents.com/
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
Hi
I just wanted to highlight this:
Question from Tadream: Which bastard is responsible for 'Electronic
Orgy'? We'll get you.
*To RaveHost* Aha! So the band *wasn't* secretly responsible for Electronic
Orgy!
I'll let you know if we get any answers...
Is this a kind of amiable reprimand?, a secret congratulation?
E Orgy is no ordinary boot since it's including officially released tracks
(although not actually in stock) so it might be considered a 'pirate'
production rather than a bootleg.
Whadayathink?
---Francisco
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Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
> Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
>
> Hi
>
> I just wanted to highlight this:
>
> Question from Tadream: Which bastard is responsible for
> 'Electronic
> Orgy'? We'll get you.
> *To RaveHost* Aha! So the band *wasn't* secretly responsible for
> Electronic
> Orgy!
> I'll let you know if we get any answers...
>
> Is this a kind of amiable reprimand?, a secret congratulation?
>
> E Orgy is no ordinary boot since it's including officially released
> tracks
> (although not actually in stock) so it might be considered a 'pirate'
> production rather than a bootleg.
>
> Whadayathink?
>
> ---Francisco
>
I think Edgar is going to come over and put a size 10 German
steel-toed boot up your a** if he finds out that you're the
bootlegger/pirate/'bastard'. I don't think that's a congratulation.
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Subject: 'The Blue Years' Compilation
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
I don't recall seeing anyone mention this yet, but forgive me if it's
already been mentioned:
Castle Communications has indeed released a 'Best of the Blue Years'
compilation. The track listing is interesting, in that it doesn't just
replicate material covered on previous compilations, including
(believe it or not) Dream Roots!
1. Horizon (excerpt)
2. Ride on the Ray
3. Scuba Scuba
4. Underwater Twilight
5. 21st Century Common Man (Part 2)
6. Vigour
7. The Cliffs of Sydney
8. Hyde Park
9. Zen Garden
10.Livemiles (Albuquerque Excerpt)
Some nice selections, but I doubt that many of us would agree that Vigour
deserves to be among the 'Best'. How about more from Poland, guys?
Still, it rehabilitates side two of Underwater Sunlight (oops, my vinyl
heritage is showing), which has tended to get neglected.
All the same, would any of us actually buy this?
P.S. Toronto-area T.D. fans: Tower Records is selling several of the
Virgin 'Definitive Edition' TD series for $11.99 (about $8.50 U.S.)
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
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Subject: Re: Being nice to your friends up north, eh
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Really-From: OIK
I live in the states, but I have always gotten along with out frosted
neighbors...they make good baccon, good beer, and good whisky...it is like a
breakfast 24 hours a day :->
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> >
> > tadream mailing list wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris-the pissed off Carpet man with no money who has to miss the TD
> > > conference on the Dominion cuz he has to go to a Goddamn carpet
> > > meeting in Friggin canada and could give a shit less- Chouinard
> >
> > Some of us, living in this country, may take offence to our place of
> > birth being referred as 'Friggin', capital 'F' or not...
> > After all *we* did NOT invent C&W 'music'... and I bet there are
> > proportionally more TD fans in out population than in the US of A.
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > C.B. Vincent Goudreault
>
> I think he's just reffering to the distance factor being a pain in the
> ass....it was hardly a territory slam...especially relating to the
> people there. It's not like he said that Canadians drive too slow or
> anything. ;-)
>
> Dano, eh.
--
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Really-From: Molasar, 'Chargin' Up a Few Choice Ray-blasts'
Okay, here's another example of how the people subscribed to this
list are not fucking omniscent, regardless of how their inflated egos
would like them to believe: I overhead someone talking about a search
engine called 'Hotbot.' To check it out, I tried 'Transfer of
Information Act,' which yielded nothing (just like at every other search
engine I've tried that seach with), and then I tried 'the keep
soundtrack.' This took me to a page with the URL
This is the message that was on this page:
Schmoelling
This response submitted by James Harral on 11/1/95.
Dear Phil and Chris, Dear Phil and Chris, 11-01-95
I totally agree with what you had to say about Johannes Schmoelling. It
would be interesting if perhaps there could be some corroboration between
Chris Franke and Schmoelling. I would also be pleased if all previously
recorded material by not only Schmoelling and TD was released to fanatic
fans like myself. For example the music to 'The Keep' soundtrack was
never released but had some of Tangerine Dreams best music in my opinion,
Very reminiscent of 'Logos'.
Next Article
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Article complete. Click HERE to return to the Feedback Menu.
I clicked on 'Return to Main Article,' and this is what I found:
Get Johannes Schmoelling!!
This article submitted by Phil Derby (PhilPDX@a...) on 10/1/95.
There has been a fair amount of discussion on the Tangerine Dream
discussion list of late that many TD fans would LOVE to get their hands
on copies of former Christopher Franke partner Johannes Schmoelling's
back catalog of music. Trouble is, some of them were on labels now
defunct, or the discs are simply out of print. There are MANY interested
TD fans who would be willing to pay real cash money for CD's by Johannes
Schmoelling if he could distribute through Sonic Images. Our
nderstanding is he is currently negotiating to get the rights back on
most of his back catalog. Since he used to work with Franke, us TD fans
thought it would be a natural for him to come to your label.
In addition to getting him signed for the back catalog, of course there
are many fans who would LOVE to buy any new releases by Schmoelling, and
we absolutely DIE for a Franke/Schmoelling collaboration. Food for
thought.
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Here is a list of responses that have been posted to this article...
Johan's Works (3/25/98)
Chris and Johan? (9/2/96)
The Keep, in hand.. (7/28/96)
**THE KEEP**THE KEEP**THE KEEP** (7/25/96)
Chris and Johan collaboration!! (5/30/96)
Johannes Schmoelling Discography (5/29/96)
i have johan, philly (3/5/96)
TOUR DATES, JOHAN, THE KEEP (3/1/96)
Schmoelling (11/1/95)
Whoah! What the heck!?! Lots of stuff on THE KEEP. Neato. I
notice, however, that one of the guys conversing here is Phil Derby, who
eventually took over the DREAMS WORD from Elana (of Trout renown), so if
anything cosmic were said here, one would think that it would've made
it's way to the tadream@c... list, right? Well, hold that
thought.
Okay, I then clicked on the next article, which was 'TOUR DATES,
JOHAN, THE KEEP (3/1/96),' and this is what I got:
TOUR DATES, JOHAN, THE KEEP
This response submitted by JIM , NRGTAXES@O... on 3/1/96.
HEY JAMES,THE NAME IS JIM, FROM HOUSTON. JUST EMAILED PHILPDX, AND HE
CAN FILL YA IN ON WHAT I SENT HIM AS IT IS LENGHTY I WOULD LIKE TO
COMBINE OUR KNOWLEDGE OF TD CHRIS JOHAN AND EDGAR AND HOPEFULLY GET
THEM ALL BACK TOGETHER. I HAVE THE KEEP ON CD IT'S FROM TAIWAN. BOOT.
HAVE ALL ORIGINAL TD CDS AND ALBUMS, NOT THE REISSUES. I KNOW THESE
GUYS'S MUSIC LIKE THE BACK OF MY HAND, AND LOVE TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE
OTHERS LIKE MYSELF, ETC. IF CHRIS WOULD SIMPLY EMAIL US ONCE IN A WHILE,
IT WOULD STOKE MY FIRE, AND DO US ALL SOME GOOD. COME ON CHRIS WHERE ARE
YA, I KNOW THAT YOUR FANS NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU. PUT DOWN THAT
CAPPUCINNO, AND THROW SOME BONES TO THE PEASANTS, WILL YA?!!
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Aaaaaaaalrighty then. What in the fuck is this 'I HAVE THE KEEP ON
CD IT'S FROM TAIWAN. BOOT.' action?!?!?!?! X-0
The next three messages I see by clicking on 'Next Article' yield
nothing KEEP-related, but with the fourth, I strike gold again, like so:
**THE KEEP**THE KEEP**THE KEEP**
This response submitted by THE DREAMER on 7/25/96.
FIRST OF ALL LETS GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT, I WANT THE KEEP!!!
NOW THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THIS LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE ABOUT MYSELF.
MY NAME IS THE DREAMER AND I HAVE EVERY CD OF TD'S EXCEPT THE KEEP WHICH
I HAD AT ONE TIME HELD IN MY HAND ON VINYL IN A JC PENNEY STORE IN MY
HOMETOWN SO I KNOW THAT IT WAS RELEASED!!!! THE THING THAT DREW ME TO IT
WAS THE NAMER OF THIS REALLY WEIRD BAND, AND I REMEMBER THINKING WHO IN
THE HELL IS THIS OUTRAGEOUS BAND AND WHY WOULD THEY CALL THEMSELVES SUCH
A STRANGE NAME? THE PICTURE ON THE FRONT WAS OF A CINDERBLOCK TYPE STYLE
OF LETTERING THAT SAID THE KEEP LIKE A PYRAMID WITH LIGHT COMMING OUT
FROM THE INSIDES OF IT LIKE IT WAS A REAL PLACE YOU COULD GO INTO. TWO
PEOPLE STOOD AT THE BASE OF THIS LOOKING UP OR JUST AT IT. I DO NOT
REMEMBER ANY OF THE TITLES OF THE SONGS BUT I DO KNOW THAT I LOOKED AND
IT WAS A REAL LP NOT SOME KIDDY THING. EVER SINCE THEN AFTER I HAD LEFT
IT THERE I HAVE KICKED MYSELF IN THE ASS UNTIL MY FOOT CAME OUT THE
OTHER SIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE ALSO LOOKED LIKE A MAD MAN FOR THIS LP
AGAIN NOW I FIND THAT YOU HAVE A BOOT COPY OF IT FROM TAIWAN AND WELL I
WOULD REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU COULD GET BACK TO ME ABOUT IT SO I CAN GET A
COPY FOR MYSELF!!! THIS WOULD OF COURSE PUT ME IN EMENSE DEBT TO YOU AND
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY REQUESTS OR TITLES OF ALBUMS I WILL LOOK FOR THEM AND
HELP GET A COPY OF ANYTHING I HAVE THAT YOU DO NOT. THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR THE HOPE THIS BRINGS!!!! MY ADDRESS IS: THE DREAMER 906 WEST MAIN
LOT #44 PERU IN 46970 LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!
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Are we having fun yet? Now then, here's what's next:
The Keep, in hand..
This response submitted by jim maples on 7/28/96.
I have the Keep , and you can have it if you will help me talk chris
into getting with edgar and johan to lay down some tracks. Tough sell I
know, but aren't we all dying to see the boys not only show all of the
new kids, Future Sound of London, and Autechre, for instance how it is
done, but to also hear them do their magic with the digital equipment
available to them now. Can you just imagine doing White Eagle in digital
format?!, with all of the imaging prowess unmatched by anyone to this
day?! Besides, I miss the interaction that only a team of men can
accomplish, and no one, or no team has yet to fill the void and legacy
that Tangerine Dream accomplished. No one has yet been able to hold a
candle to their work, which just goes to show us that even in the 'day
of digital', that a hole the size of the Grand Canyon exists between the
quality of music ten years ago, to the stuff I am hearing now. The
dedication is simply not there anymore, or else I need to upgrade my
stereo again. Seriously, have you tried Goldmine magazine? I think you
can find it there, as my source for another copy of the Keep literally
disappeared one week, leaving me to the record convention vultures.
UUGGGHH. email me if ya want nrgtaxes@o... Aloha to the Koala with
the Velcro in it's paws.
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Well, that's all there is about THE KEEP soundtrack in this thread.
(Isn't that enough?!?!?!?)
Clicking on 'return to the Feedback Menu,' I then click on 'Review
General Sonic Images Feedback.' This brings me to
http://www.sonicimages.com/Feedback/Feedback.html
which has messages from 4/25/95 to 4/18/98! The thing is, the thread
involving this Taiwanese KEEP boot was represented only by this heading:
Get Johannes Schmoelling!! (10/1/95)
Makes you wanna cry, don't it? Anyways, I have forwarded all this
good stuff to you as any example of something happening right under our
noses here on the net that virtually no one on the tadream mailing list
knew anything about!!!!!!!!! :(
Does *anybody* here know anything about this 'KEEP from Taiwan'???
Steven Feldman -- 33 Brook Street, Apt. 3, Brookline, MA 02146; INTERNET:
, and BITNET: DREAMS WORD:
Electronic Dreams, POB 42385, Portland, OR 97242. The Nightcrawlers, c/o
Peter D. Gulch -- 1493 Greenwood Avenue, Camden, NJ 08103-2929. PERSONAL
FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Redshift, Nightcrawlers, R. Carty, Ozrics, Serrie
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Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 2:56
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Subject: Re: Favorite Live Albums
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Really-From: feldon@p...
At 04:10 PM 4/18/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>>I don't think there is a single live album of TD that I don't like
>>(Except Tournado):
>>
>>Live! Improvised!* (Second set) Rheims Cathedral Mar 1975
>>Pergamon Encore* Jan 31 1980
>>'Dreamtime'* Newcastle, England 1981
>>Logotypes* material
>
> These're boots so they don't really count, as far as I'm concerned.
>Granted, there are lotsa nice shows available (widely or not) on tape,
>CD boot, and CD-R boot, but the vast majority of us here don't have a
>heck of a lot of that stuff. I mean, it's hard enough to keep up with
>TD's *official* output!
Ok, time for me to get a little abrasive (you learn to compensate). If you
are limited on funds, skip everything from 1986-1997 except Oasis, Dream
Mixes, Miracle Mile, and 220 Volt live. Then use that money you saved to
get Electronic Orgy and a couple of the aforementioned concert recordings.
I am rapidly approaching the point where I can say I've listened to the
1981 CD as often as any of the official CDs...
>>Encore 1977, Logos 1982, Poland 1983, 220 Volt 1992
>
> Yep. These are all good, yet I find POLAND the least satisfying of
>the lot. After I play it all the way through, my reaction is always,
>well, that's done, what next? rather than wowee but that was cool--what
>can I follow up on *that* with?
I definately prefer disc 1.
> I find it to be the coldest of all of
>the live TD I've heard--almost Kraftwerkian!
It's extremely sequenced. You need to hear this 1981 CD. You can hear where
Logos came from, but it's in the very early stages. It sounds very much
like Poland.
>>Livemiles 1986
>
> In my opinion, 1988 marked TD's first out-and-out forays into New
>Age, (OPTICAL RACE was released the very same year) and LIVEMILES
>suffers greatly as a result.
Suffers? I consider Optical Race refuse compared to Livemiles. I think
Livemiles was their last great sequencing piece. Everything after Livemiles
truly is New Age.
>I think it's not just their worst live
>album (even worse than TOURNADO, which is only bad in that it repeats
>what is on studio albums too closely), but one of their worst albums,
>period.
Heh. Livemiles is in my TOP TEN.
>THREE PHASE 1992 (on videotape and laserdisk, but not on CD or cassette)
>
> THREE PHASE is as much a live album as 220 VOLT LIVE, isn't it?
The three phase video left a bad taste in my mouth because of all the
lame-ass video effects and strobe shit. I *much* prefer the versions of the
songs on Three Phase to 220 Volt Live.
>Granted, it suffers much of the drawbacks of TOURNADO since it consists
>solely of covers of studio tracks, but . . . the versions of 'Phaedra'
>and 'Logos' there are more similar to those on TANGENTS, and . . . the
I give Three Phase absolutely ZERO credit for the Phaedra and Logos-blue
tracks. Why? Because these two tracks have been played between
1988-present. They are almost identical to the Tangents versions.
Just like I give Poland zero credit for 'introducing' the first 3 minutes
of Tangent because this segment was being played all the way back in 1982
(it was actually part of the Logos concert).
>version of 'Love on a Real Train' is unique in comparison to the two
>versions (the one that is on ELECTRONIC ORGY and the one that is on the
>regularly available soundtrack) that appeared on the original soundtrack.
Again, this is kind of moot. I was only mildly shocked at Edgar's statement
on the chat last night 'Ok, who's the bastard that put out Electronic Orgy?'
I'm sorry, Edgar, but why didn't YOU put this out? These 25 CDs are
starting to sound like the 'we're going to take a break and put out 2
studio albums' bit after which TD immediately turned around and did Leg 2
of the European tour.
Morgan
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Is it available on laserdisc?
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Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 3:14
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Subject: So, if the guy really DOES have _The Keep_ Mk. I...
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
I suggest you contact him immediately, Steven, (he DID leave an address) and
ask him for:
1) label
2) catalogue #
3) year of release (if listed)
4) track list and times.
He can't be such a boor that he won't share THAT. Post it to the TD
guestbook! If they won't let you, I'll do it! ;)
If he tries to press you for something though (especially $$) for just
that information, I say he's not for real.
Ask him if he knows about the debacle surrounding the official release,
and TD's denial of the knowledge of 'the original'. Maybe the both of
you should get together, and take a trip to Berlin?
(Look, I REALLY have my doubts....but I would just LOVE to see the look on
Edgar's face if the thing is for real!)
The description of the album cover given sounds eerily similar to the one
I know for the VHS version. Is that guy sure he wasn't holding a laserdisc?
Gabe
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Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings all-
>Really-From: Molasar, 'Chargin' Up a Few Choice Ray-blasts'
8>< A *WHOLE* bunch of stuff snipped!
I'm breaking my own vow here by actually posting something about this
$#@%#^ topic again! I suggest, Steven, that you get out your Keep Blue Moon
edition boot, flip it over and read what's printed there in the Mfr. ID
ring. And to the others who may not have carefully read through the Keep
spam; *no one* in that particular thread bought the *original* lp! Only
*one* person claimed to *see* it and like every-freakin-body else, he
didn't purchase it either! It is finally time to *LET IT GO*!
Time to add this thread to the kill-file, Dave.
goozer
Just kidding about the kill-file...barely.
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Steven, Steven, Steven...
Now that I think about it...this still proves nothing. Really.
(The things that creep into your head while studying for exams...)
Look it over again. I did.
*Nowhere* is there any mention of:
1) the date of origin of this beast
2) its actual contents (could be the Blue Moon boot re-booted, a boot of
another Keep boot i.e. Complete Works, or another as-of-yet unheard of
boot with music from one of the alleged other 9 cuts of the movie)
3) any claim it is a 'pirate' version of the putative 1984 release.
(Which, if it existed, WOULD be a pirate anyway, since it would have been
declared unofficial and legally withdrawn.)
Are you sure you haven't been hanging out with any farmers who seem too
paunchy and smooth-skinned to be what they say they are? Yet you take
them at their word, no matter how doubtful their appearance makes them seem?
(I'm sorry, but after everything I have seen go by here the past few
months, I think I must resign myself to the fact that he continues to
believe for no other reason other than he wants to, he NEEDS to.)
Now, onto another Keep conspiracy--this time concerning the official
release!
I'm sure Edgar has had plenty of fine experiences dealing with the powers
on high at Virgin. Is it not feasible he may have pushed for a 'special
edition' of the official Keep, just to make it available, foreseeing that
internal politics at Virgin would conspire to delay the release, perhaps
indefinitely?
Gabe
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Subject: 'Kamikaze 1989' on German TV
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
>
> > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> > E Orgy is no ordinary boot since it's including officially released
> > tracks
> > (although not actually in stock) so it might be considered a 'pirate'
> > production rather than a bootleg.
> >
> > Whadayathink?
> >
> > ---Francisco
> >
> I think Edgar is going to come over and put a size 10 German
> steel-toed boot up your a** if he finds out that you're the
> bootlegger/pirate/'bastard'. I don't think that's a congratulation.
Yes, but in a context of a friendly chat I didn't feel it were the right
moment to become momentarily angry and send a 'virtual knife' pointing some
'unknown' bootlegger. So I saw this more in the 'friendly' side. Just an
opinion of a guy who just read the transcript( not actually being there).
---Francisco
PS: Glenn, One thing clear, as everybody knows on this list, I DON'T do
bootlegging or Pirating and I'm against profiting with a music whose
rights I don't own... Just in case, you know?
.
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Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 6:49
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Subject: Epsilon In Malaysian Pale and Ages
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If anyone can burn a Cdr of the 'Epsilon' album and the missing track from
'Ages', Please let me know. Thanks, Tom TangerineC@a...
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>> E Orgy is no ordinary boot since it's including officially
released
>> tracks
>> (although not actually in stock) so it might be considered a
'pirate'
>> production rather than a bootleg.
>>
>> Whadayathink?
I think it's a boot because it doesn't try to represent official
material, but any way you slice it. . .
> I think Edgar is going to come over and put a size 10
German
>steel-toed boot up your a** if he finds out that you're the
>bootlegger/pirate/'bastard'. I don't think that's a
congratulation.
Hey, he should be happy someone still gives a s**t! I think he
secretly admires it.
Scott
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Subject: RE: chat transcript
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Whew! What a mess the unmoderated chat was! I'm glad I wasn't there,
it's like AOL all over again. One thing was cool, though:
> Oh yes...that was a question from the mailing
list...do you have the 40-odd
> minutes of music from Sorcerer that disn't make it onto the
soundtrack?
Thank you very, very much! Shame they didn't answer. . .
Scott
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At 12:24 AM 4/24/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
>
>Hi
>
>
>I just wanted to highlight this:
>
> Question from Tadream: Which bastard is responsible for 'Electronic
> Orgy'? We'll get you.
>*To RaveHost* Aha! So the band *wasn't* secretly responsible for Electronic
> Orgy!
> I'll let you know if we get any answers...
>
>Is this a kind of amiable reprimand?, a secret congratulation?
>
>E Orgy is no ordinary boot since it's including officially released tracks
>(although not actually in stock) so it might be considered a 'pirate'
>production rather than a bootleg.
I was at first shocked that EO used so much previously released music, but
then, that was the point. This 4 CD set was designed for people who have
purchased every *regular* release since TD had started, and the most
commonly released soundtracks.
feldon@p...
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Hey, anyone notice how there's a remixed Love on a Real Train on Miracle
Mile? I forget which track it is, maybe 'Running out of Time.' Another
one to add to the collection.
Scott E. Plumer
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Subject: Re: VOXEL :I hate it when I'm right!
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> (P.S. to 'Voxel'): Don't worry, ours will still be unique...
Yeah...maybe we can do our recorded backwards ( ha ha )
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>I'm sure Edgar has had plenty of fine experiences dealing with
the powers
>on high at Virgin. Is it not feasible he may have pushed for a
'special
>edition' of the official Keep, just to make it available,
foreseeing that
>internal politics at Virgin would conspire to delay the
release, perhaps
>indefinitely?
Perhaps he running into the same problems that may have nixed
the original. That may also be the reason why the movie music and the ST
don't match.
Scott
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At 02:50 PM 4/23/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> goozer
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring
>> at the line between black & white for
>> so long that their vision has blurred.'
>> ---------------------------------------------------
Anyone who does not believe in grey areas SCARES ME and I would probably
never want to meet them, for we would get into a political war over a pickle.
feldon@p...
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> > Oh yes...that was a question from the mailing
> list...do you have the 40-odd minutes of music from Sorcerer that disn't
> make it onto the soundtrack?
>
> Thank you very, very much! Shame they didn't answer. . .
I'm sure they would have given the same answer they gave to the Streethawk
question: 'ask universal'...or in this case, MCA, I suppose.
I'm beginning to realize why the band is so testy about these kinds of
questions. Legal issues seem to constantly keep their answers beyond the
band's control.
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On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
> Hey, anyone notice how there's a remixed Love on a Real Train on Miracle
> Mile? I forget which track it is, maybe 'Running out of Time.' Another
> one to add to the collection.
>
> Scott E. Plumer
Hm. I don't know if this deserves to be labeled a LoaRT remix. It's got
similar overall construction, yes, but the chord progression used here is
more reminiscent, IMO, of the Kraftwerk song 'Sex Object' than LoaRT.
Gabe
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>> > Oh yes...that was a question from the
mailing
>> list...do you have the 40-odd minutes of music from Sorcerer
that disn't
>> make it onto the soundtrack?
>>
>> Thank you very, very much! Shame they didn't answer. . .
>I'm sure they would have given the same answer they gave to the
Streethawk
>question: 'ask universal'...or in this case, MCA, I suppose.
>I'm beginning to realize why the band is so testy about these
kinds of
>questions. Legal issues seem to constantly keep their answers
beyond the
>band's control.
Well, they could give the non-a**hole answer: 'MCA owns the
rights to that music and we're sorry to say we have no control over
whether it gets released or not.'
To which I would reply: 'Why don't you buy them back? How much
could they be?'
To which Ed would reply: 'We prefer to always look forward,
rather than retreading our past.'
To which I would reply: 'Then why have you released so many
compilations?'
To which Ed would reply: 'Security! Get this guy outta here!'
So, who's the bigger jerk? Ed or me? :-)
Scott
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On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
> >I'm sure Edgar has had plenty of fine experiences dealing with
> the powers
> >on high at Virgin. Is it not feasible he may have pushed for a
> 'special
> >edition' of the official Keep, just to make it available,
> foreseeing that
> >internal politics at Virgin would conspire to delay the
> release, perhaps
> >indefinitely?
>
> Perhaps he running into the same problems that may have nixed
> the original. That may also be the reason why the movie music and the ST
> don't match.
>
> Scott
What if the problem arose BECAUSE somebody at Virgin realized what's on
the OST and what's in the movie aren't the same? (Except for 2 tracks,
which were remixed) And now, they don't know what to do with it? In an
almost unheard-of flash of corporate honesty, they are having qualms
about releasing something they think is (and may well be) a fraud?
Gabe
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Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 4:10
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Subject: Planetary Traveller
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Oscar Dean said:
>For the record, I have the TD 'Luminous Visions' video/CD set also but I
>like Planetary Traveller better.
I thought this may have been discussed before, after renting PT I felt the
same
way. Even my three year old could not sit thru luminous visions yet, but
with planetary traveller we watched it three times over the weekend no
problem. I'm impressed with this soundtrack by Haslinger he brings a varity
of styles and sets up the video wonderfully. Being a sucker for beautiful
landscapes the video was a definite joy ride. By the way, my luminous
visions CD has been hijacked by an 18 year old 'gothic raver' <- what ever
that means.
Steve
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> Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
>
>
> > Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
> >
> > > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
>
> > > E Orgy is no ordinary boot since it's including officially
> released
> > > tracks
> > > (although not actually in stock) so it might be considered a
> 'pirate'
> > > production rather than a bootleg.
> > >
> > > Whadayathink?
> > >
> > > ---Francisco
> > >
> > I think Edgar is going to come over and put a size 10 German
> > steel-toed boot up your a** if he finds out that you're the
> > bootlegger/pirate/'bastard'. I don't think that's a congratulation.
>
> Yes, but in a context of a friendly chat I didn't feel it were the
> right
> moment to become momentarily angry and send a 'virtual knife' pointing
> some
> 'unknown' bootlegger. So I saw this more in the 'friendly' side. Just
> an
> opinion of a guy who just read the transcript( not actually being
> there).
>
Well, if I had been making my living on creating music (which is
a very personal thing) and someone out there was pirating and
bootlegging my stuff and enclosing it with infantile pictures of tits
and ass to get it sold I'd be pissed off. But that's just me.
I was watching the whole chat live and I got the impression that
he wasn't happy, plus it was 2am their time at the TDI offices, and I'm
sure it was a long day for him. Judging from some of the answers they
gave they were feeling a little punchy. I'm not accusing you of being
the 'bastard' but I'd stop defending 'him' if I were you. A lot of
people on the list write and produce music and share TD's feelings on
this subject. I've enjoyed their music since I was a kid and anybody
that screws with them tends to piss me off.
> .
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tadream mailing list escribió:
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> Hey, anyone notice how there's a remixed Love on a Real Train on Miracle
> Mile? I forget which track it is, maybe 'Running out of Time.' Another
> one to add to the collection.
Yes it's Running out of time. Very nice 'variation'.
Francisco
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Where can I find the transcript of the chat? I went to the web page of
Dominion but didn't see it?
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Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 5:00
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Subject: Re: Chat
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> Where can I find the transcript of the chat? I went to the web page of
> Dominion but didn't see it?
Once again, here's the url of my transcript:
http://www.topix.com/~sean/td_chat
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 5:32
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Subject: Re: LoaRT on Miracle Mile?
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Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?='
Someone already noticed that in the list last year ; it was somebody who
wanted to do a series of LOART songs and related. What would EF think of
that?
Fred
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Date : vendredi 24 avril 1998 16:04
Objet : LoaRT on Miracle Mile?
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>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
>Hey, anyone notice how there's a remixed Love on a Real Train on Miracle
>Mile? I forget which track it is, maybe 'Running out of Time.' Another
>one to add to the collection.
>
>Scott E. Plumer
>
>
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Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 6:10
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Subject: RE: chat transcript
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>gave they were feeling a little punchy. I'm not accusing you of
being
>the 'bastard' but I'd stop defending 'him' if I were you. A lot
of
>people on the list write and produce music and share TD's
feelings on
>this subject. I've enjoyed their music since I was a kid and
anybody
>that screws with them tends to piss me off.
It's one thing to hurt a struggling artist, but quite another to
bootleg an established one. I'm not going to get into this yet again,
but I doubt EO competed much with TD's official product.
Scott
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Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 5:41
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Subject: LOART again and again
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I've found in the TD archive the old delirium about LOART. Here it is again,
folks!
Hope this won't fill your mailbox too much!
Fred
PS : it wasn't last year...
Subject: LOVE IS A REAL PAIN Error Found & Corrected
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 17:24:37 EST
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Gulp. I made a *big* mistake in the Second Version listing. By
accident, I listed Side Three of the Audio Kit (the side with the music)
as being on the First CD instead of the Second CD. This error has now
been corrected, below:
-----
Sigh, whoever said that I'm an obsessive type didn't know the half
of it, as the following should indicate rather conclusively: (I've run
myself ragged trying to fit all this stuff onto to CDs without exceeding
the recommended maximum running time of 74 per CD, lemme tell ya!)
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
AMENDED PROPOSED DOUBLE-CD-R RISKY BUSINESS SET IDEA
(now entitled 'LOVE IS A REAL PAIN'):
-- concocted by Steven Feldman; January 7, 1998
My idea for a 2-CD-R set of every RISKY BUSINESS item committed to
vinyl would be to have the entire RISKY BUSINESS AUDIO KIT on one CD, and
all the other TD-specific music from vinyl sources (the first pressing of
the RISKY BUSINESS LP and the second pressing of RISKY BUSINESS LP, the
two TANGENTS remixes, the THREE PHASE live track, the cover tunes on the
DREAM MUSIC 2 CD and the Fantasy Merchants CD, and the variant tracks
from the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH, MIRACLE MILE, and CATCH ME IF YOU CAN
soundtracks) on the other.
The trouble is, there are about 3 minutes' too much stuff for these
two CDs if all the long spaces in between the tracks on the Audio Kit are
to be preserved. This leaves me with three options:
o Remove most of the spaces in between the Audio Kit tracks and put the
CATCH ME IF YOU CAN track together with Audio Kit Sides 1-4 on the
first CD.
o Remove most of the spaces in between the Audio Kit tracks and put the
Global Communications remix together with Audio Kit Sides 1, 2 & 4
on the first CD, while relegating Audio Kit Side 3 to the second CD.
o Remove the two 'common tracks' from the first pressing of the RISKY
BUSINESS soundtrack LP. This last of the three options is a tad
tricky since while three (if not four) of the five TD tracks are
different, the difference is only blatantly obvious with the first
and last of the five, so that finding out which of the other three
are indeed different and not the same is somewhat difficult (sort of
like comparing the LD tracks from CANYON DREAMS to the CD versions).
So, basically, the first version of the proposed 2-CD-R set would
have the entire RISKY BUSINESS AUDIO KIT on one CD (along with one track,
appropriately titled 'Running Out of Time,' from the MIRACLE MILE sound-
track), and all the rest of the TD-specific music from vinyl sources
(first pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS LP and second pressing of the RISKY
BUSINESS LP)--as well as the two TANGENTS remixes, the THREE PHASE live
track, the cover tunes on the DREAM MUSIC 2 CD and Fantasy Merchants CD,
the Global Communications remix, and the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH and CATCH ME
IF YOU CAN soundtrack variants--on the other.
The second version of the proposed 2-CD-R set would have Audio Kit
sides 1, 2 & 4 together with the Global Communications remix on the first
CD, and all the rest of the stuff (the music tracks from the Audio Kit,
first pressing of the RISKY BUSINESS LP, second pressing of the RISKY
BUSINESS LP, the two TANGENTS remixes, the THREE PHASE live track, the
DREAM MUSIC 2 CD and Fantasy Merchants CD cover tunes, and the THREE
O'CLOCK HIGH, MIRACLE MILE and CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtrack variants)
on the other.
The specifics of both of these versions are detailed below:
_______________________________________________________________________
+ - - - - - - - - - - - +
| First Version of Idea |
+ - - - - - - - - - - - +
Indexing for . . .
FIRST VERSION OF
PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK ONE
Total running time: 79:10 with spaces between Audio Kit tracks intact
-----
AUDIO KIT, SIDE 1 25:00
1. Intro to the Audio Kit
2. Movie Trailer
3. Featurette 1 (TD in the background very briefly)
4. Featurette 2 (TD in the background)
5. Featurette 3 (Jean-Michel Jarre in the background)
6. Featurette 4 (Giorgio Moroder in the background)
7. Featurette 5 (TD in the background)
8. Featurette 6 (Jean-Michel Jarre in the background)
9. Featurette 7 (TD in the background)
10. Featurette 8 (TD in the background)
11. Featurette 9: Chris Franke Interview (TD in the background) 2:30
12. Featurette 10 (TD in the background)
AUDIO KIT, SIDE 2 (about 22:43; must flip tape for open-ended #5)
13. News Section 1
14. News Section 2
15. News Section 3
16. News Section 4
17. News Section 5
18. Open-ended Featurette 1
19. Open-ended Featurette 2
20. Open-ended Featurette 3
21. Open-ended Featurette 4
22. Open-ended Featurette 5: Chris Franke 1:45
AUDIO KIT, SIDE 3 12:42 (music runs 11:21--empty space between tracks)
23. Intro to Music Tracks (very brief)
24. Side 3, Track 1: 1:21
25. Side 3, Track 2: 1:46
26. Side 3, Track 3: 3:04
27. Side 3, Track 4: :30
28. Side 3, Track 5: :24
29. Side 3, Track 6: :11
30. Side 3, Track 7: :57
31. Side 3, Track 8: 3:08
Track from the MIRACLE MILE soundtrack (1989)
32. (Track 8:) Running Out of Time 3:30 [similar to LoaRT]
AUDIO KIT, SIDE 4 15:15
33. History of Coming-of-Age Flicks
The entire kit can fit--resulting in a CD that runs under 74 mins.
if all the lengthy spaces in between tracks are shortened. For example,
Side 3 (12:42) runs only 11:21 with all the extra space deleted. On
average, there are between ten and twenty seconds between tracks.
Indexing for . . .
FIRST VERSION OF
PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK TWO
Total running time: 72:04
-----
First Pressing of LP
1. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 2:20
2. (Track 3:) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:55
3. (Track 4:) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:17
4. (Track 5:) Lana 3:52
5. (Track 11:) Love on a Real Train 2:15
Second Pressing of LP
6. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 3:42
7. (Track 3:) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:00
8. (Track 4:) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:18
9. (Track 5:) Lana 3:51
10. (Track 11:) Love on a Real Train 3:58
Tracks from TANGENTS box set, CD #4 (1994)
11. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 3:28
12. (Track 16:) Risky Business [Love on a Real Train] 5:10
Track from the THREE PHASE laserdisk (1993)
13. (Track 8:) Love on a Real Train [live] 3:17
Track by Global Communications (samples from TD's original)
14. Love on a Real Train 13:45
Track from DREAM MUSIC 2 (performed by Mark Ayers)
15. Love on a Real Train 4:28
Track from THE KEEP--THE FILM MUSIC OF TD PERF. BY THE FANTASY MERCHANTS
16. Love on a Real Train 3:28
Tracks from the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH soundtrack (1987)
17. (Track 5:) Go to the Head of the Class 3:03 [similar to LoaRT]
18. (Track 15:) Bonding by Candlelight 1:30 [similar to LoaRT]
Track from the CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtrack (1989)
19. (Track 13:) Taking the Test 1:27 [similar to LoaRT]
_______________________________________________________________________
+ - - - - - - - - - - - +
| Second Version of Idea |
+ - - - - - - - - - - - +
Indexing for . . .
SECOND VERSION OF
PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK ONE
Total running time: 76:43 with spaces between Audio Kit tracks intact
-----
AUDIO KIT, SIDE 1 25:00
1. Intro to the Audio Kit
2. Movie Trailer
3. Featurette 1 (TD in the background very briefly)
4. Featurette 2 (TD in the background)
5. Featurette 3 (Jean-Michel Jarre in the background)
6. Featurette 4 (Giorgio Moroder in the background)
7. Featurette 5 (TD in the background)
8. Featurette 6 (Jean-Michel Jarre in the background)
9. Featurette 7 (TD in the background)
10. Featurette 8 (TD in the background)
11. Featurette 9: Chris Franke Interview (TD in the background) 2:30
12. Featurette 10 (TD in the background)
AUDIO KIT, SIDE 2 (about 22:43; must flip tape for open-ended #5)
13. News Section 1
14. News Section 2
15. News Section 3
16. News Section 4
17. News Section 5
18. Open-ended Featurette 1
19. Open-ended Featurette 2
20. Open-ended Featurette 3
21. Open-ended Featurette 4
22. Open-ended Featurette 5: Chris Franke 1:45
Track by Global Communications (samples from TD's original)
23. Love on a Real Train 13:45
AUDIO KIT, SIDE 4 15:15
24. History of Coming-of-Age Flicks
The entire kit can fit--resulting in a CD that runs under 74 mins.
if all the lengthy spaces in between tracks are shortened. For example,
Side 3 (12:42) runs only 11:21 with all the extra space deleted. On
average, there are between ten and twenty seconds between tracks.
Indexing for . . .
SECOND VERSION OF
PROPOSED DOUBLE CD-R SET, DISK TWO
Total running time: 73:10
-----
AUDIO KIT, SIDE 3 12:42 (music runs 11:21--empty space between tracks)
1. Intro to Music Tracks (very brief)
2. Side 3, Track 1: 1:21
3. Side 3, Track 2: 1:46
4. Side 3, Track 3: 3:04
5. Side 3, Track 4: :30
6. Side 3, Track 5: :24
7. Side 3, Track 6: :11
8. Side 3, Track 7: :57
9. Side 3, Track 8: 3:08
First Pressing of LP
10. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 2:20
11. (Track 3:) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:55
12. (Track 4:) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:17
13. (Track 5:) Lana 3:52
14. (Track 11:) Love on a Real Train 2:15
Second Pressing of LP
15. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 3:42
16. (Track 3:) No Future (Get Off the Babysitter) 2:00
17. (Track 4:) Guido the Killer Pimp 4:18
18. (Track 5:) Lana 3:51
19. (Track 11:) Love on a Real Train 3:58
Tracks from TANGENTS box set, CD #4 (1994)
20. (Track 2:) The Dream is Always the Same 3:28
21. (Track 16:) Risky Business [Love on a Real Train] 5:10
Track from the THREE PHASE laserdisk (1993)
22. (Track 8:) Love on a Real Train [live] 3:17
Track from DREAM MUSIC 2 (performed by Mark Ayers)
23. Love on a Real Train 4:28
Track from THE KEEP--THE FILM MUSIC OF TD PERF. BY THE FANTASY MERCHANTS
24. Love on a Real Train 3:28
Tracks from the THREE O'CLOCK HIGH soundtrack (1987)
25. (Track 5:) Go to the Head of the Class 3:03 [similar to LoaRT]
26. (Track 15:) Bonding by Candlelight 1:30 [similar to LoaRT]
Track from the CATCH ME IF YOU CAN soundtrack (1989)
27. (Track 13:) Taking the Test 1:27 [similar to LoaRT]
Track from the MIRACLE MILE soundtrack (1989)
28. (Track 8:) Running Out of Time 3:30 [similar to LoaRT]
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Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 6:15
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Subject: Re: LoaRT on Miracle Mile?
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Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman)
Greetings all-
>>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>>
>>
>>Hey, anyone notice how there's a remixed Love on a Real Train on Miracle
>>Mile? I forget which track it is, maybe 'Running out of Time.' Another
>>one to add to the collection.
Here's the info re:LoaRT mixes taken from the Jan '97 Risky Business FAQ:
'Go To The Head Of The Class'-3 O'Clock High [3:12]
'Bonding By Candlelight'-3 O'Clock High (Simply half of the above track) [1:35]
'Running Out Of Time'-Miracle Mile (a very nice take on the song) [3:31]
'Taking The Test'-Catch Me If You Can (A truly _remixed_ version!) [1:30]
'Poland' ('Love On A Polish Train' remix) [8:40] from _Poland_
(Before anyone gets in a huff, the hi-hat and synth-flute rhytym tracks are
identical, as well as the synth-horn melody; do your own cross fade to
prove it! Fade in at 2:49 and fade out at 11:29)
goozer
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Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 6:39
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Subject: RE: chat transcript
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Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
> It's one thing to hurt a struggling artist, but quite another to
> bootleg an established one. I'm not going to get into this yet again,
> but I doubt EO competed much with TD's official product.
>
> Scott
>
It's called 'right and wrong.' Most civilized people tend to
think any form of stealing is wrong.
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>> It's one thing to hurt a struggling artist, but quite
another to
>> bootleg an established one. I'm not going to get into this
yet again,
>> but I doubt EO competed much with TD's official product.
>>
>> Scott
>>
> It's called 'right and wrong.' Most civilized people
tend to
>think any form of stealing is wrong.
Of course, the Bushmen of the Kalahari have no concept of
individual property, so stealing is a concept unknown to them. And
they're far more civilized than us.
Scott
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Subject: RE: chat transcript
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Really-From: feldon@p...
At 09:39 AM 4/24/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
>
>
>
>> Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
>>
>>
>> > Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
>> >
>> > > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
>>
>> > > E Orgy is no ordinary boot since it's including officially
>> released
>> > > tracks
>> > > (although not actually in stock) so it might be considered a
>> 'pirate'
>> > > production rather than a bootleg.
>> > >
>> > > Whadayathink?
>> > >
>> > > ---Francisco
>> > >
>> > I think Edgar is going to come over and put a size 10 German
>> > steel-toed boot up your a** if he finds out that you're the
>> > bootlegger/pirate/'bastard'. I don't think that's a congratulation.
>>
>> Yes, but in a context of a friendly chat I didn't feel it were the
>> right
>> moment to become momentarily angry and send a 'virtual knife' pointing
>> some
>> 'unknown' bootlegger. So I saw this more in the 'friendly' side. Just
>> an
>> opinion of a guy who just read the transcript( not actually being
>> there).
>>
> Well, if I had been making my living on creating music (which is
>a very personal thing) and someone out there was pirating and
>bootlegging my stuff and enclosing it with infantile pictures of tits
>and ass to get it sold I'd be pissed off. But that's just me.
Wow, you sure can't take a joke. I love the cover, and I think the cover
has *nothing* to do with selling copies. Electronic Orgy contains ALL the
music I was missing. I already had all the official main CDs (not
soundtracks) and some of their compilation/singles CDs. Honestly? I wish
Electronic Orgy had not put so much previously released stuff on disc 4.
Most people had the Private Music comp and the Three Phase video. I would
have much prefered a rare segment from 1981-83.
> I was watching the whole chat live and I got the impression that
>he wasn't happy, plus it was 2am their time at the TDI offices, and I'm
>sure it was a long day for him. Judging from some of the answers they
>gave they were feeling a little punchy.
I have never spoken in person with them, but the impression I have gathered
so far is that Tangerine Dream does what *they want to do* and could care
LESS that fans like their music. Even if nobody listened to their music,
they would still produce it for themselves. At least, this is was Edgar has
convinced himself of.
>I'm not accusing you of being
>the 'bastard' but I'd stop defending 'him' if I were you. A lot of
>people on the list write and produce music and share TD's feelings on
>this subject.
Edgar didn't have a problem with Logotypes, from what I gather. He did with
Electronic Orgy. If Edgar had told us a year ago what he was putting out on
these 25 CDs, maybe Electronic Orgy may not have been made. I certainly
don't think Electronic orgy affected sales of TD negatively ONE BIT, except
for these 'Singles' that TD has been putting out lately to try to rip
people off... (Dreamtime single, Turn of the Tides single, Rockoon single,
Dream Mixes 2CD)
Forcing people to buy two copies of the same music because of one extra
track is EXTREMELY underhanded and disrespectful to the fans. If I had been
there, I would have brought that up with Edgar.
>I've enjoyed their music since I was a kid and anybody
>that screws with them tends to piss me off.
Electronic Orgy did not *screw* with TD. TD has allowed the contents of the
first disc of Electronic Orgy so rare, people pay sometimes $20 just for
ONE or TWO songs off of it. Controlling the distribution of music has only
one purpose, to make more money.
Morgan
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At 11:39 AM 4/24/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
>
>> It's one thing to hurt a struggling artist, but quite another to
>> bootleg an established one. I'm not going to get into this yet again,
>> but I doubt EO competed much with TD's official product.
>>
>> Scott
>>
> It's called 'right and wrong.' Most civilized people tend to
>think any form of stealing is wrong.
It's called having a clue. Most civilized people are interested in any
music they can get their mitts on. If the band doesn't release it within
good time (the contents of Electronic Orgy are at LEAST 4 years old), then
someone else will. No, the artist did not give up copyright on that music,
FAR FROM IT. But, we, the fans, want to hear as much TD as we can, and will
trade tapes or whatever to do it. If Electronic Orgy was produced in
quantity exceeding 150, then there would have been a problem.
feldon@p...
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Really-From: PENFOLD
At 15:32 19980424- -0400, tadream mailing list wrote:
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> Of course, the Bushmen of the Kalahari have no concept of
>individual property, so stealing is a concept unknown to them.
Did you get that from watching _The_Gods_Must_Be_Crazy_?
GDRFC
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'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the
road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
-- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides
on which instruments to take on the road.
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Date: Fri Apr 24, 1998 7:59
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Subject: RE: chat transcript
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> If Electronic Orgy was produced in quantity exceeding 150, then there
> would have been a problem.
This is an interesting point! Given the trouble that whoever was
responsible for EO went to (right down to the screen-printed disks), I'd
think that quite a few copies were made. Anyone have an estimate?
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
> Well, if I had been making my living on creating music (which is
> a very personal thing) and someone out there was pirating and
> bootlegging my stuff and enclosing it with infantile pictures of tits
> and ass to get it sold I'd be pissed off. But that's just me.
Well, as I said I don't like bootlegging. I think there are better and nicer
ways to spread unreleased music between fans ( tape trades by instance).
EO went beyond bootlegging when it included commercially released music.
THat's why It qualifies as 'Pirate' a much harder
term. I would understand TD being pissed off, but the context of a friendly
chat about Luminous Visions and on a middle of things completely unrelated to
bootlegging I cannot see the seriousness of the question, specially when
there were no clue who did it. So since many persons on this list were
there, I can only suppose TD guessed it was done by someone on tadream.
On I don't see why y
> I'm not accusing you of being
> the 'bastard' but I'd stop defending 'him' if I were you
I don't see on my messages a single word defending that activity, in fact i'm
against it, and i mean it. As it happened, I just wanted to bring that phrase
to discussion.
---Francisco
P.D. I'm going to be out for a week, so my messages will remain unanswered
till my arrival
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> Really-From: feldon@p...
>
> Wow, you sure can't take a joke. I love the cover, and I think the
> cover
> has *nothing* to do with selling copies. Electronic Orgy contains ALL
> the
> music I was missing. I already had all the official main CDs (not
> soundtracks) and some of their compilation/singles CDs. Honestly? I
> wish
> Electronic Orgy had not put so much previously released stuff on disc
> 4.
> Most people had the Private Music comp and the Three Phase video. I
> would
> have much prefered a rare segment from 1981-83.
>
I think the cover is more tasteless shit from a small mind. It
would have been a tad more original to mangle a previous TD cover or get
a little more creative than have some nekid tit on the front cover.
That's supposed to be a joke? I just don't equate TD music with sex,
never have, and never will. My girlfriend never asked me to put Atem on
before a session. (This could start an interesting thread). I love
women, but keep them on Bon Jovi albums or Playboy mag.
> I have never spoken in person with them, but the impression I have
> gathered
> so far is that Tangerine Dream does what *they want to do* and could
> care
> LESS that fans like their music. Even if nobody listened to their
> music,
> they would still produce it for themselves. At least, this is was
> Edgar has
> convinced himself of.
>
I agree with you here. That's the way it should be.
> Edgar didn't have a problem with Logotypes, from what I gather. He did
> with
> Electronic Orgy. If Edgar had told us a year ago what he was putting
> out on
> these 25 CDs, maybe Electronic Orgy may not have been made. I
> certainly
> don't think Electronic orgy affected sales of TD negatively ONE BIT,
> except
> for these 'Singles' that TD has been putting out lately to try to rip
> people off... (Dreamtime single, Turn of the Tides single, Rockoon
> single,
> Dream Mixes 2CD)
>
I think they're just really busy with tours, albums, s/t's, and
gear that the TDI effort has taken so long. Edgar has noted in the past
that the Tangents box set remixing was a pain and he wasn't anxious to
start that process again. I'm sure he wants to carefully listen, mix,
and release his work, and not have stuff released that's not up to his
standards. We keep beating them up so bad. When they're in the studio we
kick their ass to tour. When they're touring we kick their ass to
release old material. In the middle, they're fighting with lawyers and
studios. We suck.
> Forcing people to buy two copies of the same music because of one
> extra
> track is EXTREMELY underhanded and disrespectful to the fans. If I had
> been
> there, I would have brought that up with Edgar.
>
I agree. The UK Dream Mixes is just one example of this.
This thread started from one guy thinking Edgar gave him the pat
on the back for his stupid bootleg, when he doesn't have a clue what
Edgar thinks. I just couldn't resist shutting him down and I've got one
off-line thread going with a guy who has the 'grey area disease' with
bootlegs and life. But hey, it's more fun than work at the moment!
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Hi gang,
Just writing to let you guys know I am unsubscribing for a while. I have
been so busy at work as of late , I just can't keep up with the list the way I
would like to. I don't see the oint if I have to erase so much, and can't
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whole life and lately it has.....SEE YA!
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At 09:44 AM 4/24/98 -0400, Scot wrote:
>Hey, anyone notice how there's a remixed Love on a Real Train on Miracle
>Mile? I forget which track it is, maybe 'Running out of Time.' Another
>one to add to the collection.
Noticed it the first time I popped it in the player. Got me thinking...'now
what else have I heard before in a cheap suit?'
Mike
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At 04:54 PM 4/24/1998 -0400, you wrote:
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>
>Hi gang,
> Just writing to let you guys know I am unsubscribing for a while. I
have been so busy at work as of late , I just can't keep up with the list
the way I would like to. I don't see the point if I have to erase so much,
and can't contribute to discussion the way I would . Maybe if I had my own
computer I would not feel so frazzled. I will however stay in touch with
several of you , and contribute /finsh all trades and trees I have to tape.
I will be back, I just don't know when . TD is my obsession, but I can't
let it take over my whole life and lately it has.....SEE YA!
>Chris
>If anyone needs to reach me please do so at Bruno@c...
>
Chris,
We'll miss you. Come back ASAP.
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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Is it just me, or is it just a little bit strange for this thread to be
pursued with such vigor by a bunch of people who (PROBABLY) all bought the
object in question (especially those who are on the 'against' side)?
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In a message dated 98-04-24 14:46:15 EDT, you write:
<< It's called 'right and wrong.' Most civilized people tend to
think any form of stealing is wrong.
>>
a very subjective concept indeed...
tom w
np: fsol - dead cities (alot of uncredited samples...stealing?)
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Glenn Reinicke said:
> > Well, if I had been making my living on creating music (which is
> >a very personal thing) and someone out there was pirating and
> >bootlegging my stuff and enclosing it with infantile pictures of tits
> >and ass to get it sold I'd be pissed off. But that's just me.
Anyone making some money off of your rightful creation(s) makes for a good
argument. But, in a sense, it's also a tremendous honor. I'm attracting
geysers of flame by saying this, but all of the legendary artists such as
Pink Floyd, Rush, Tangerine Dream, etc., are the most bootlegged. There's
no stopping it. Personally, I imagine it must be an extreme pain-in-the-ass
(not to mention a financial loss, pending money-made-back) for anyone to
remaster tracks for a boot, press discs, print booklets, distribute, etc..
I simply wouldn't do it. I'm not justifying bootlegging, either. But I will
tell you THIS, Glenn: as soon as Electronic Orgy was available, I snatched
that baby up!!!!!!!! So, the question is: do you, or do you NOT, own any
Tangerine Dream bootlegs? Remember, buttloads of unreleased, high-quality
(composition, not necessarily sound quality), unreleased (often superior to
studio albums) tracks galore exist on bootlegs.
> Wow, you sure can't take a joke. I love the cover, and I think the cover
> has *nothing* to do with selling copies.
Ditto. The covers were a hilarious idea, since that kinda stuff is so
atypical of TD album art.
> Electronic Orgy contains ALL the
> music I was missing. I already had all the official main CDs (not
> soundtracks) and some of their compilation/singles CDs. Honestly? I wish
> Electronic Orgy had not put so much previously released stuff on disc 4.
> Most people had the Private Music comp and the Three Phase video. I would
> have much prefered a rare segment from 1981-83.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And it looks like TD is going to give us just that and more, this year!!!!
Glenn also said:
> >I've enjoyed their music since I was a kid and anybody
> >that screws with them tends to piss me off.
Why? Are you related? Keep in mind that Edgar is financially set. He was, a
long time ago. Scoring films made Ed some money.
::E::
np: Tangerine Ambience 2 (juicy analog textures!!!!!! this cd is a must!)
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> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> Of course, the Bushmen of the Kalahari have no concept of
> individual property, so stealing is a concept unknown to them. And
> they're far more civilized than us.
Good one, Scott *thumbs up*
::E::
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> Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
>
> > Electronic Orgy
> I think the cover is more tasteless shit from a small mind. It
> would have been a tad more original to mangle a previous TD cover or get
> a little more creative than have some nekid tit on the front cover.
But it IS the adolescent, simplistic concept of putting a 'nekkid tit' on
the cover that was funny.
:-)
> That's supposed to be a joke? I just don't equate TD music with sex,
> never have, and never will. My girlfriend never asked me to put Atem on
> before a session. (This could start an interesting thread).
She didn't ask you, but *did* you, anyway? I sure hope not! At least not
Atem, hehe...this would be a good thread. As for me, multiple Ozric
Tentacles CDs have served their collective purpose in this form of
recreation, haha! Talk about *free-form jams*...
::E::
np: Tangerine Ambience 2, 'Stratosfear* (this version is so incredible!)
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Really-From: DAVENTURA
With all these rants about the cover of Electronic Orgy, we've gotten away
from the more serious topics. Like if Canadians really DO suck, blah, blah.
EO is my first bootleg and I appreciate every minute of it. Obviously the guy
who put it together has a better record collection than me and personally, I'm
glad he shared. If you don't like the cover here's a tip:Unsnap the cover
from the case, remove the disc holder and discard the cover. Go into
Photoshop and design your own, snap everything back together and voila,
problem solved. As far as the Froese camp losing any money, that's a moot
point. From what I've heard, there are like 2 or 3 hundred copies of EO
altogether. Not a big bag of cash to anyone. Now, Atem for a hot session? I
don't think so. My girlfriend always preferred Side 2 of Tubular Bells. Now,
if I could just figure out what album my wife likes....David
N.P...The Private Music of Patrick O'Hearn
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Subject: Franke reference
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Really-From: spidey
Hi all, just received the April 21, 1998 issue of 'Amazing Sounds.' In it
there is an interview with electronic diva Constance Demby of Novus
Magnificat fame. Here is a portion of that interview. There is some TD
content in there.
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
AMAZING SOUNDS
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
No. 51
April 21, 1998
What do you think of the definition 'New Age Music'?
'The term has been bastardized, trashed by the press. It's
unfortunate. In the 80's we tried to change the term to 'Adult
Contemporary' or 'Contemporary Instrumental,' but the die had
been cast. Though it has a negative connotation, the music we all
are drawn to and want to listen to is found in the new age
shelves. Though I am put, along with Vangelis, Enya, and all the
others, in the new age bins. I consider myself a composer of
contemporary, classically based, symphonic music.'
'Advances in synthesizer technology, combined with lower prices,
has allowed many the opportunity to purchase a synthesizer and a
tape recorder, making it very easy to create a new age tape. As a
result, a glut of 'new age' albums were made as everyone jumped
on the bandwagon. According to NAMM (National Association of
Music Merchants), there are currently 62 million amateur
musicians in the U.S., (many of whom, it appears, decided to make
a 'new age' tape.) The listening public needs to exercise and
develop a discerning ear in order to sift through the thousands
of choices to find the gems.'
'The new age movement has infiltrated the general public to the
degree that we have the 'Celestine Prophecy' and 'Conversations
with God' on the best seller list, we have insurance companies
including acupunture and chiropractics, we have the general
public wanting to have healthier lives and bodies, and the spread
of new age music into more and more avenues. So it's pretty hard
to stop a movement that is dedicated to health, spiritual growth
and upliftment. But you will find that many artists, musicians
and authors generally do not want to be branded 'new age' because
it has been demonized by the press. Hopefully, we will all find
the balance.'
(Interview conducted by Jorge Munnshe)
Oscar Dean
np: Steve Hackett - The Tokyo Tapes 2CD (autographed by the man himself!)
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I was just browsing thru the Emu sampler page
and I was checking Power Users and saw a
woman who produced/composed for/with?
Tangerine Dream.
Her name is Claire Marlo.
So does anyone know on which record she
performed/produced???
Emu: http://www.emu.com
and then press Power Users.
Marcel
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Subject: kamikazi 1989 and others
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Really-From: NAdams43
i started watching kamikazi 1989 on zdf last night,zdf is a german tv channel
which you can pick up on sky tv for those of you who were not aware.after
about half hour i gave up, not understanding german but it prompted me to put
the album on,and i can honestly say it still sounds fresh today,the music on
it still remains unique, by that i mean not reproduced on any other albums or
remixed etc,apart from one track, unexpected death, which i recognise off some
bootlegs from around that period of time.
i have been reading the arguments about bootlegs on this list recently,this
is my oppinion.if i have to buy bootlegs to get dream music that has never
been released for whatever reason that may be,whether its because edgars to
lazy(which i doubt) or legal reasons, or any other reason you can think of, i
will do so,simply because i love their music and will do what i have too to
get it,enjoying the music outweighs the moral issue of production of the
boots,for me.
anyway im going to burn a cdr of various artists (for personal use only) this
is my track list what do think.
t dream = horns of doom 5.45
t dream = another perspective part 1 3.41
waveshape = abendstern live 11.24
nightcrawlers = modulus four 11.45
neuronium = rendezvous 5.30
red shift = static 5.06
radio massacre international = a minute of silence 6.07
detlev keller & mario schonwalder = far from india 13.13
you = slow go 11.56
np eloy = silent cries mighty echoes (incredible)
regards nick.
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Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
Actually, my motivation in flaming you bootleggers is I'm hoping Edgar's
monitoring the thread and will send me one of the 25 Keep tapes that was
released in the '80's for my efforts. ;-)
> Really-From: NAdams43
>
>
> i started watching kamikazi 1989 on zdf last night,zdf is a german tv
> channel
> which you can pick up on sky tv for those of you who were not
> aware.after
> about half hour i gave up, not understanding german but it prompted me
> to put
> the album on,and i can honestly say it still sounds fresh today,the
> music on
> it still remains unique, by that i mean not reproduced on any other
> albums or
> remixed etc,apart from one track, unexpected death, which i recognise
> off some
> bootlegs from around that period of time.
> i have been reading the arguments about bootlegs on this list
> recently,this
> is my oppinion.if i have to buy bootlegs to get dream music that has
> never
> been released for whatever reason that may be,whether its because
> edgars to
> lazy(which i doubt) or legal reasons, or any other reason you can
> think of, i
> will do so,simply because i love their music and will do what i have
> too to
> get it,enjoying the music outweighs the moral issue of production of
> the
> boots,for me.
> anyway im going to burn a cdr of various artists (for personal use
> only) this
> is my track list what do think.
>
> t dream = horns of doom 5.45
> t dream = another perspective part 1 3.41
> waveshape = abendstern live 11.24
> nightcrawlers = modulus four 11.45
> neuronium = rendezvous 5.30
> red shift = static 5.06
> radio massacre international = a minute of silence 6.07
> detlev keller & mario schonwalder = far from india 13.13
> you = slow go 11.56
>
>
> np eloy = silent cries mighty echoes (incredible)
>
> regards nick.
>
>
>
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>::E::
>np: Tangerine Ambience 2 (juicy analog textures!!!!!! this cd is a
>must!)
Definate agreements!, but I still think Edgar's reply was hilarious
when asked what he thought of Tangerine Ambience - 'Sorry, but we aren't
allowed to use four letter words here' :)
-Scott
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 03:17 PM 4/25/1998 +0200, Marcel wrote:
>woman who produced/composed for/with?
>Tangerine Dream.
>Her name is Claire Marlo.
>So does anyone know on which record she
>performed/produced???
Here are my hypotheses:
1. She really all that, and I never heard of her, because I rarely read
liner notes;
2. She is bolstering her resume;
3. E-mu is bragging;
4. She did all that in a parallel universe;
5. She did that for the vintage automobile locator service;
6. She did that for the hotel resort in Mexico;
These hypotheses are all equally likely to have occurred.
Andrew
P.S. But, seriously, if she did anything for/with TD, it would have to be a
soundtrack, otherwise we would have heard about her by now. Although, many
of the albums TD have put out over the years will state 'Produced by
Tangerine Dream,' which COULD mean some unknown contributors to the
production process. As Judy Tenuta says: 'It could happen.'
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Really-From: Tdune
Why is the KEEP thread not welcome at the tderam mail list?
After all is TD related, believe it or not there is a lot of people out there
(in the list) that love the music, the one that has not been released.
After all we have to put up with the silly jokes, the birthdays thread etc.
I for one think that any thread relating to TD is valid, after all that is the
reason why I subscribe to the list.
If I am mistaken please let your feelings be known now.
Since (I think) this is a democratic list? Maybe we should take a vote!
Vote YES if all topics relating to TD are welcome to the list.
Vote NO if all TD topics relating (and not relating) TD are welcome to the
list except the KEEP items.
If the majority of the list votes NO then count me out, I hope the few people
that keep in touch with me will continue to do so.
Bye Marcelo G.
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>Really-From: NAdams43
>radio massacre international = a minute of silence 6.07
I love this track ; sounds like Pink Floyd ; they say that the guitarist of
RMI doesn't play like that usually.
Cheers,
Fred
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: Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
: P.S. But, seriously, if she did anything for/with TD, it would have to be a
: soundtrack, otherwise we would have heard about her by now. Although, many
: of the albums TD have put out over the years will state 'Produced by
: Tangerine Dream,' which COULD mean some unknown contributors to the
: production process. As Judy Tenuta says: 'It could happen.'
Well, Clair has 2 solo albums, Let it Go (1989) and Behavior Self
(1995). I have both of them, I think they are good albums, the later
one is the better of the two. She also did some vocal work on
Haslinger's Future Primitive album. It would not surprise me at all if
she did some work on a TD album probably during the Private Music era.
I don't remember seeing her credited on any of the albums but that
doesn't really mean anything.
-Dave
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Subject: The Tadream Keep Cycle
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: Really-From: Tdune
: Why is the KEEP thread not welcome at the tderam mail list?
The Keep thread is certainly welcome on the TD list according to
charter. Don't worry, I won't be adding KEEP to the auto-SPAM filter.
The problem with the thread is that many people are really, really
tired of it.
Here is a plot synopsis of this electronic-life drama:
Someone asks something about to the Keep. Usually inquiring if it has
been released.
Someone else posts that there are several bootlegs available and a
limited-run (on the TDI Label) official release and there will be an
official, non-limited edition release coming out on Virgin sometime
this year. Usually, there is also mention that when the movie came out,
there was no soundtrack and that the bootlegs, the limited edition, and
the official release are missing a lot of music from the movie.
Steven responds with a 200-300 line response with the story that he
held the LP in his hands way back when the movie was released. Along
with a detailed comparison of all of the releases and the movie, all
the differing versions of the movie, and anything remotely related to
the movie. An analysis of the differing TD music that were modified and
used in the movie versus live, etc. (Actually a very good analysis of
the whole thing, just something that most long-time list folks have
seen at least 20 times by now.)
Others attack Steven about his insistance that there was an LP
release because no-one has yet come up with a copy of the LP in all
these years since the movie. Usual arguments are that even the most
fanatic film music collectors, TD, film companies, record labels, etc.
all insist that it does not exist. I think that some of these arguments
are just made so that Steve will get angry about them. I think this
because it never fails that....
Steven defends and argues his position that there was indeed a release,
everyone else is wrong, let all those who didn't purchase it back then
stand up and be counted, etc... This goes on for 3-4 weeks with this
prrof, that proof, and the other proof against this other thing here
and that point claimed by this guy and that other person who said
something else.
Eventually, everyone gets sick of arguing this grand circular argument
and things calm down for a while. Then someone asks something about
the Keep and it starts over again.
This little drama has re-played itself on the list quite often in
different variants over the last few years.
-Dave
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Subject: Claire Marlo = Claire Torry?
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:39:22 -0500
>Subject: Re: Claire Marlo?
>To: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: David Datta
>
>: Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
>: P.S. But, seriously, if she did anything for/with TD, it would have to
>: be a soundtrack, otherwise we would have heard about her by now.
>
>Well, Clair has 2 solo albums, Let it Go (1989) and Behavior Self
>(1995). I have both of them, I think they are good albums, the later
>one is the better of the two. She also did some vocal work on
>Haslinger's Future Primitive album. [. . .]
What are the chances that Claire Marlo is Claire Torry (sp?) with
a new last name (i.e. new husband, most likely)? She contributed the
vocals to LE PARC's 'Yellowstone Park,' if I remember correctly.
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Really-From: TWeibre361
In a message dated 98-04-25 19:09:26 EDT, you write:
<< This little drama has re-played itself on the list quite often in
different variants over the last few years. >>
your missive should be required reading for all who join this
list...suggestion: get rid of the 'how to unsubscribe' notice and use
this...by FAR more useful...
tom w
np: holy smokes! the KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: Relax, Edgar; have some Lady Greengrass.
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After all the unfulfilled promises about multi-CD sets like THE
HISTORY OF TANGERINE DREAM, I say he deserves it. The only instance in
which I concur at all is re much of the (Miramar) stuff on the fourth
CD--and yet, this stuff only really came out in the USA, so as far as
European buyers are concerned, the E.O. collection wasn't so much a
pirate as a boot.
IMHO, what's on Disc One justifes the whole project: the Ones
single and the 'Ultima Thule' single on one disc?!?! Why in the hell
didn't Edgar see to it that these four tunes were made available a
long time ago? (My guess is that if the lyrics to 'Lady Greengrass'
were to be made commonly available, Edgar would no longer be able to
perpetuate his lame claims that TD got its name from a Beatles tune!)
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At 05:39 PM 4/25/1998 -0500, David wrote:
>
>Well, Clair has 2 solo albums, Let it Go (1989) and Behavior Self
>(1995). I have both of them, I think they are good albums, the later
>one is the better of the two. She also did some vocal work on
>Haslinger's Future Primitive album. It would not surprise me at all if
Indeed!
>she did some work on a TD album probably during the Private Music era.
>I don't remember seeing her credited on any of the albums but that
>doesn't really mean anything.
Since that was also the Haslinger era, it would make sense. However,
although during this time the album credits were the most generous in their
description of the 'help' used, she is never credited with anything. But,
as you say, there are many people involved in a production such as TD's, so
just because someone is not mentioned doesn't mean s/he is not a contributor.
I hope that my attempt at humor was not taken to imply that I don't hold
anything but respect to any artist, under any circumstances.
Andrew
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Subject: CD store
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Really-From: Jen Phillips
I just wanted to let everyone know that I've set up a bookstore on my
web page through the Amazon.com Associates program. I have CD's,
cassettes, videos, etc. listed for sale rather than books. So far, I've
got Enigma, Tangerine Dream, Deep Forest and Delerium stuff listed
there. Just go to:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/4032/bookstore.html
Eventually I'll be listing stuff by Orbital, Dead Can Dance, and any
other related groups that I can find.
So come on over & check it out. :->
--
Jen
jenmp@s... 'or'
enigma2@g...
Visit My Webpage:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/4032/index.html
UIN: 1134643
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Subject: bootlegs
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Really-From: Roger Laufenberg
can you get Primus live at the Offshore or when they did cybercast's
ta
rog
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Subject: any group/artist More prolific than TD?
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Really-From: Ben Ohmart
With all the stuff they've done, does anything come close to beating their
record? Zappa? Elvis? People I don't know?
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: KEEP Laserdisk Commentary Track Wanted
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Hi,
Since at least two people here have the KEEP laserdisk (one is
Jeffrey Au-Yeung, but he is an entire hemisphere away), I would like to
ask for *someone* here to please make me a copy on audiocassette (or,
if you want to be *really* helpful, on videotape, too).
Oh, and by the way, I now have Michael Mann's current address:
Michael Mann
Forward Pass Productions
12233 W. Olympic Blvd., Suite 224
Los Angeles, CA 90064
I obtained it by e-mailing the folks in charge of the LAST OF THE
MOHICANS (another book turned into a movie by Mann) who have petitioned
Mann for a Director's Cut of LAST OF THE MOHICANS. Their website is
.
I am in the midst of finalizing a letter to Mann which requests an
interview, mentions the two broadcast TV endings of THE KEEP, and asks
for a Director's Cut of THE KEEP.
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Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 6:26
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Subject: Concert Videos
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Really-From: Steve Jenkins
At the Shepherds Bush, UK concert '97 - (last gig of the UK tour) - I
noticed 1 (possibly 2) videographers on stage with the band. I dropped
the TD webpage a line asking who they were and why was the concert being
video'd - no replyas of yet !!.
Anyone on the list have any ideas - is it part of Edgars now massive
collection of unreleased concert recordings residing in a 'London
lawyers office' ?
Steve Jenkins
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Mr. Datta,
Could you possibly unsubscribe the address:
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Thanks--I apologize for doing this this way, but I can't get Majordomo to do
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Subject: Re: Relax, Edgar; have some Lady Greengrass.
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At 09:49 PM 4/25/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>Why in the hell
>didn't Edgar see to it that these four tunes were made available a
>long time ago? (My guess is that if the lyrics to 'Lady Greengrass'
>were to be made commonly available, Edgar would no longer be able to
>perpetuate his lame claims that TD got its name from a Beatles tune!)
>
> -- Steven Feldman
My belief that you are a thoughtful, and well-versed Tangerine Dream fan
just went out the window. Edgar has ALWAYS denied that 'Tangerine Dream'
has anything to do with the verse 'Tangerine Trees' that appears in the
Beatles song which, incidentially, was released quite a bit after LADY
GREENGRASS came out. Tangerine Dream is actually an acronym, according to
Herr Froese.
Morgan
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Subject: LOART on Macula Trnasfer
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
Well I THOUGHT that would get somebody's attention!
I'm going far out on a limb here, but with all this talk about MT coming
out on disc now, I dug out my old LP and gave it a spin this morning.
PA701 (track 1 Side 2, on the lp) does have early elements that later
reappeared in the RB stuff... OR mayve I am just studying too hard!
MJ
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Subject: Re: claire marlo
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
I second Dave's opinion, though I liked her first album better...
The second one does appear on the WILDCAT label...same as HASLINGER's
Future Primitive (which she also appears on)...
MJ
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Subject: Deciphering the Acronym that is Tangerine Dream
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>Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:34:02 -0500
>Subject: Re: Relax, Edgar; have some Lady Greengrass.
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: feldon@p...
>
>My belief that you are a thoughtful, and well-versed Tangerine Dream fan
>just went out the window. Edgar has ALWAYS denied that 'Tangerine Dream'
>has anything to do with the verse 'Tangerine Trees' that appears in the
>Beatles song which, incidentially, was released quite a bit after LADY
>GREENGRASS came out.
Eep. So true. Whoops.
>Tangerine Dream is actually an acronym, according to Herr Froese.
A whole lotta anagrams for Tangerine Dream were posted here a few
months back. Could it be that Tangerine Dream is an anagram of a
German word, or an acronym for something that Edgar made up himself and
virtually no one else knows? Has anyone asked Peter Baumann or Chris
Franke about this?
How about . . . Take A Near-Gratuitous Evenhanded Rooting In Nary
Even Doghouses 'Round Edgar's Atrium Moorings? X-0 Yeah, it's lame,
but could it be that that is more or less how TD got it's name???
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Unreleased Zoning Soundtrack /Macula Transfer by EF
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
Does anyone like to comment on the stuff featured
on the Zoning movie ?
I take it that the original soundtrack of the movie (from 1986) featured
Franke/Froese/Schmoelling stuff but do neither know if
it´s almost unreleased elseware stuff nor if the quality is any good.
BTW: I´m not talking about Edgar´s music used on the Zoning Video soundtrack.
Thanks in advance
Jens
np: Edgar Froese: Macula Transfer -
Arse into gear lads, if you haven´t ordered the CD yet... :-|
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Subject: Goblins Club
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
In the chat transcript TD asked about a riddle hidden the the title of
Goblins Club.... What was it???
ALso, the transcript mentions another upcoming chat on MAy 6th.. Will
that be TD again, or someone else?
MJ
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At 10:53 PM 4/26/98 +0200, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>Does anyone like to comment on the stuff featured
>on the Zoning movie ?
The 1995 soundtrack is from-scratch as far as I can tell (I never heard the
original soundtrack). The two stand-out tracks on this 1996 release are,
incidentially, the first and final tracks, co-authored by Jerome. He is not
given credit in any other way than 'Written by Edgar and Jerome Froese.'
>I take it that the original soundtrack of the movie (from 1986) featured
Franke/Froese/Schmoelling stuff but do neither know if
>it´s almost unreleased elseware stuff nor if the quality is any good.
Morgan
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Date: Sun Apr 26, 1998 9:49
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Subject: RE: chat transcript
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At 01:55 PM 4/24/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
>
>> Really-From: feldon@p...
>>
>> Wow, you sure can't take a joke. I love the cover, and I think the
>> cover
>> has *nothing* to do with selling copies. Electronic Orgy contains ALL
>> the
>> music I was missing. I already had all the official main CDs (not
>> soundtracks) and some of their compilation/singles CDs. Honestly? I
>> wish
>> Electronic Orgy had not put so much previously released stuff on disc
>> 4.
>> Most people had the Private Music comp and the Three Phase video. I
>> would
>> have much prefered a rare segment from 1981-83.
>>
> I think the cover is more tasteless shit from a small mind.
You call a naked breast and legs tasteless shit? You uncultured swine. Get
your ass to some art museums!
>It
>would have been a tad more original to mangle a previous TD cover or get
>a little more creative than have some nekid tit on the front cover.
>That's supposed to be a joke?
I think the cover was great and anyone offended by it strikes me as a Puritan.
>I just don't equate TD music with sex,
>never have, and never will.
It really is an Electronic Orgy. It's everything the collectors have that I
don't. All the rare stuff that appeared on esoteric labels or singles. I
was beyond excited to get this set.
>I love
>women, but keep them on Bon Jovi albums or Playboy mag.
heh. whatever man. You think nudes of women only have a place in Playboy?
Where do you live, Iowa?
>> I have never spoken in person with them, but the impression I have
>> gathered
>> so far is that Tangerine Dream does what *they want to do* and could
>> care
>> LESS that fans like their music. Even if nobody listened to their
>> music,
>> they would still produce it for themselves. At least, this is was
>> Edgar has
>> convinced himself of.
>>
> I agree with you here. That's the way it should be.
A music group totally out of touch with their fans eventually lose their
place in the musical spectrum. Tangerine Dream did that YEARS AGO.
>I'm sure he wants to carefully listen, mix,
>and release his work, and not have stuff released that's not up to his
>standards. We keep beating them up so bad. When they're in the studio we
>kick their ass to tour. When they're touring we kick their ass to
>release old material. In the middle, they're fighting with lawyers and
>studios.
Have you heard the sound quality of Electronic Orgy? This stuff sounds like
it came right off studio masters.
>I just couldn't resist shutting him down and I've got one
>off-line thread going with a guy who has the 'grey area disease' with
>bootlegs and life. But hey, it's more fun than work at the moment!
Having no grey areas in your life actually classifies as one of the major
symptoms of an acute psychosis.
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In a message dated 98-04-09 12:55:42 EDT, you write:
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Hello again,
A new topic has just occured to me:
Would you like to share your personal TD video clip?
I mean: listening to a particular track do you see a certain
color, shape, scene, happenings etc?
>>
Ok, since no one else will bite, I'll have a go at this game. I've
already done two others( Two Bobcats in the Sun and Rising Haul in Silence),
but this time I think I'll choose Detroit Snackbar Dreamer. The obvious scene
is a diner and a particularly lonely guy sitting on a stool at the counter.
He's lonely because he still has trouble pronouncing the English language.
Perhaps he's Polish, perhaps he's German. Fact is he only has his wife which
he brought over from the Old Country to speak his own language to in the
evenings. So, he eats his lunch, a cheap hot dog, and saves his money in hopes
he'll be able to go back home one day and impress everyone with how rich and
well off he is now. And he hopes one day to be able to buy a nice little house
in the suburbs with a little white fence and flowers his wife will lovingly
care for. Nostalgia for what he left behind, lost forever because even if he
does go home someday, it will all have changed.
Dell
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On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
>
>
>
> Well I THOUGHT that would get somebody's attention!
>
> I'm going far out on a limb here, but with all this talk about MT coming
> out on disc now, I dug out my old LP and gave it a spin this morning.
> PA701 (track 1 Side 2, on the lp) does have early elements that later
> reappeared in the RB stuff... OR mayve I am just studying too hard!
>
> MJ
'PA 701' always impressed me as being more of a precursor to 'Thru
Metamorphic Rocks'...and there are shades of it that show up in (dare I
say it?) 'Birdwatcher's Dream'.
Gabe
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WaRNING : some people on this list already know I'm completly mad...
You have been WarNED.
You know how this mail begins, but you don't know how it damn ends.
This is the quote from where I began
quote:
>I just don't equate TD music with sex,
>never have, and never will
Never made love with some TD music playing? Nor Pink Floyd?
Missed something... but choose carefully the albums! Neither *Zeit* nor
*Several species of fury animals gathered together in a cave and grooving
with a pict- (from memory... that's right?)
Seriously, EO, by its contents, is not linking TD to sex but indicates that
there is in the 4 discs all that you always wanted to have and hear from TD
[and that wasn't released on CD with CD quality FOR YEARS, YES FOR YEARS, DO
YOU HEAR MR FROESE!!!???!!!] without daring ask for it (thanx Mr Woody
Allen)
joke mode off
Fred
Upon TD fans and patience : to know whether you are patient or not, you can
e-mail me privately with Re: patience in the subject line and I will do some
statistics. Results will be given in the list.
Have you got TS or AM?
How many times have you been waiting for **Poland** to be released in 2 CD
set?
What do you think of **Ages** beeing released in 1998 just because it was
20th anniversary?
Does the true version of LOART be released by regular and legal way (you
know the LP version with TSCHHEEE at the end...)
Add your comments here..................
joke mode off
Why can't I be serious?
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Subject: Thanks to all!
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Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
I'd just like to post a note of thanks to all those who
gave me some information on looking for music in the Toronto
area. Edward's Record World turned out to be the best shop
to browse, but I didn't have enough money to get everything
I wanted to buy! Though I had all their TD titles, they had some
Police and other bands 'imports' that I wanted to get my hands
on...
I did end up getting all the non-American SBMs (except
PHAEDRA -- long story) and the import vertion of GOBLINS' CLUB.
At the current exchange rate, I think I got a good deal on most
of them. But half the fun was browsing all the shops and talking to the
shop owners/employees... It's refreshing to be in a city where
TD is rather well-known (at least more than in Atlanta).
All in all, I found Toronto to be a pleasant city: the people
were friendly, and there were so many places to explore. To those
on the list who live there (or near there), I'd like to express my
pleasure at being in your city and look forward to going back...
- jim
'If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes...'
-- Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer) Blade Runner, 1982
-----------------------------------------------------
'jimbo@v...' is Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
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Really-From: 'Mark Mulik'
Howdy, everyone!
I'm wondering if someone can fill me in on the details for the Rubycon Revisited
CD. I happened upon it today while on a CD-buying binge and purchased it. I was
disappointed
to open it up and find zero liner notes or explanation.
Is it a bootleg of original TD music or is it an unauthorized CD using original
music,
or something else entirely? Sure sounds like someone with a drum machine dubbing
over the top of Rubycon in the background. Interesting, but rather disappointing
if it's meant to be a tribute.
Cheers.
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>ALso, the transcript mentions another upcoming chat on MAy 6th.. Will
>that be TD again, or someone else?
The Sci-Fi chat on May 6 (8pm EDT) will be with Steven Churchill, the
producer of 'Luminous Visions', the new computer animation video which was
produced with Tangerine Dream music. We are planning to have another chat
with TD soon.
http://www.scifi.com/rave/
http://www.odyssey3d.com/
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>> Of course, the Bushmen of the Kalahari have no concept
of
>>individual property, so stealing is a concept unknown to them.
>
>Did you get that from watching _The_Gods_Must_Be_Crazy_?
Acutally, I got it from reading _Nisa, the life and words of a
!Kung woman_ for an anthorpology class many years ago.
Scott
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>Never made love with some TD music playing? Nor Pink Floyd?
>Missed something... but choose carefully the albums! Neither *Zeit* nor
>*Several species of fury animals gathered together in a cave and grooving
>with a pict- (from memory... that's right?)
You mean YOU've never tried it?
BTW, isn't it several species of *small* furry animals ...?
>unsubscibe tadream
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>
>Ah, there are too many!!!!
I knew it. Fred's finally flipped.
I have the address of a very good clinic in Nottingham. Did me the
world of good. Allowed me to play Phaedra in one of their relaxation
classes (not that they even noticed)... ;-)
Steve.
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:34:02 -0500
>Subject: Re: Relax, Edgar; have some Lady Greengrass.
[...]
>Really-From: feldon@p...
>At 09:49 PM 4/25/98 EDT, you wrote:
>>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>>Why in the hell
>>didn't Edgar see to it that these four tunes were made available a
>>long time ago? (My guess is that if the lyrics to 'Lady Greengrass'
>>were to be made commonly available, Edgar would no longer be able to
>>perpetuate his lame claims that TD got its name from a Beatles tune!)
>> -- Steven Feldman
>My belief that you are a thoughtful, and well-versed Tangerine Dream fan
>just went out the window.
-- don't jump to conclusions yet.
>Edgar has ALWAYS denied that 'Tangerine
>Dream' has anything to do with the verse 'Tangerine Trees' that appears
>in the Beatles song
--- WRONG
>which, incidentially, was released quite a bit after LADY
>GREENGRASS came out.
-- WRONG
>Tangerine Dream is actually an acronym, according to Herr Froese.
-- possibly but I'm really beginning to doubt it.
Peter Stoeferle (of Dream Collector) and I have been researching this topic
over the past few months as a result of my posts on this topic during the
month of December when some of these issues were raised. We will also be
discussing the TD album by Kaleidoscope. We have agreed that the results
of our research will appear in Dream Collector and then on this mailing
list. Please bear with us while we finish our work and then we can attempt
to provide some clarity; we already have some interesting results.
lars
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Some of the e-mail addresses I have are outdated. If you submitted an old
e-mail address to me for the MP3's, and would like to be kept up to date on
what new stuff is online, please send me the new e-mail address. Also,
anyone else who is interested, please let me know.
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> I think the cover is more tasteless shit from a small
mind. It
On the contrary, I find it quite the opposite. Were it straight
B&W, rather than red-tinted, it would have reminded me of the work of
Robert Mapplethorpe or his ilk. Titillating yet tasteful.
>standards. We keep beating them up so bad. When they're in the
studio we
>kick their ass to tour. When they're touring we kick their ass
to
>release old material. In the middle, they're fighting with
lawyers and
>studios. We suck.
Do we? Who gives them the money to continue making music? I
think all we ask is that we be treated like we matter.
>Edgar thinks. I just couldn't resist shutting him down and I've
got one
>off-line thread going with a guy who has the 'grey area
disease' with
>bootlegs and life. But hey, it's more fun than work at the
moment!
That's me! That tag line notwithstanding, people who _don't_ see
things in shades of grey are those who start wars, kill people for their
beliefs, etc. Seeing everything as black and white is _very_ dangerous,
IMHO.
BTW, you may find it interesting to note that many artists have
released live albums as a response to bootleggers. A more complete list
can be found in Clinton Heylin's book _Bootleg_, but off the top of my
head here are a few: Pink Floyd, Bob Dylan, Frank Zappa, Bruce
Springsteen, and Aerosmith. So if it weren't for bootlegs, we mightn't
have live albums from these artists. Morally ambiguous, yes, but they do
serve a vital role.
Scott
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>Membername: scottplum
>Qualified Impressions for SunsetStrip/Palladium5728: 90
>Additional GeoTickets earned this period: 90
I'd just like to thank all of you who went to my page to check out my
Keep hoax, allowing my Geoticket balance to grow so much. Thanks. :-)
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>argument. But, in a sense, it's also a tremendous honor. I'm
attracting
Peter Buck of REM once said 'I knew we made it when I found we'd
been bootlegged.'
Scott
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>Atem, hehe...this would be a good thread. As for me, multiple
Ozric
>Tentacles CDs have served their collective purpose in this form
of
>recreation, haha! Talk about *free-form jams*...
Well, we have a 7-month-old baby, so all we listen to in the
boudoir is The Sounds of Silence. :-)
Scott
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>Really-From: Stephen Yensen
>
>
>>Never made love with some TD music playing? Nor Pink Floyd?
>>Missed something... but choose carefully the albums! Neither *Zeit* nor
>>*Several species of fury animals gathered together in a cave and grooving
>>with a pict- (from memory... that's right?)
>
>You mean YOU've never tried it?
It was just an idea ; do and think what you want! It's democratic, no?
>
>
>BTW, isn't it several species of *small* furry animals ...?
>
>
Oh, I'm so sorry, yes it is, you're right. I had to make a real fault there,
so far I know I'm right for the rest.
note : You may use a soft to make your web site instead of writing HTML in
extenso!
>>unsubscibe tadream
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>>unsbribesu madrate
>>A Babe Scrim Nude Rust
>>A Barbecue Id Mrs Stun
>>A Barber Cum Dust Sine
>>A Bambi Erect Dun Ussr
>>A Rabbi Recess Mud Nut
>>
>>Ah, there are too many!!!!
>
>I knew it. Fred's finally flipped.
>
>I have the address of a very good clinic in Nottingham. Did me the
>world of good. Allowed me to play Phaedra in one of their relaxation
>classes (not that they even noticed)... ;-)
I'm not curable.
Sorry again.
>
>Steve.
>
>
Fred, the mad man
You can return now to trivial dialog... (3 fans can't be wrong, EF throwed
away from the 7th floor, yes it is, no it isn't, but I saw it ; ...)
PS (for those who won't) You know what's a **pict**?
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You're one of those guys that buys vaseline by the drum, don't
you?
> Really-From: feldon@p...
>
>
> You call a naked breast and legs tasteless shit? You uncultured swine.
> Get
> your ass to some art museums!
>
>
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> >Really-From: Stephen Yensen
> >
> >
> >>Never made love with some TD music playing? Nor Pink Floyd?
I have!
'Tournado' and '220 Volt'
heehee
but when I put on 'Oxygene' she said 'who in the hell would make
*music* like this and why would they want to anyway--it's all
synthesizer c**p?' Well that peed me off and our session was
up prematurely.. =)
outcome:
she's gone.. I'm hoping to get back together with the one who loves
Kraftwerk's 'Home Computer'... hehee
Greg H.
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In a message dated 98-04-27 08:48:45 EDT, you write:
<< we already have some interesting results.
lars >>
Inquiring minds want to know...........'Keep' me informed.
Phil Naunton
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In a message dated 98-04-27 09:28:33 EDT, you write:
<< Morally ambiguous, yes, but they do
serve a vital role.
Scott >>
Like Drug Addiction is to Needle Exchange Programs. ;-)
Just kidding - - - - no, really.
I belong to the Freedom of Choice Party. What you do with
the 'Body' of your recordings is _your_ business. Keep your bloody hands off
my reproduction equipment!
Phil Naunton
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In a message dated 98-04-27 09:31:02 EDT, you write:
<<
I'd just like to thank all of you who went to my page to check out my
Keep hoax, allowing my Geoticket balance to grow so much. Thanks. :-)
Scott
>>
'What is this thing called 'Hoax'?'
It's a Keep-er!
Phil Naunton
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In a message dated 98-04-27 08:34:13 EDT, you write:
<< Never made love with some TD music playing? Nor Pink Floyd? >>
....or in a French Cemetary with Jim Morrison de-composing in the
background; 'Come on, baby, light my fire!'
Phil Naunton
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Subject: RE: any group/artist More prolific than TD?
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>With all the stuff they've done, does anything come close to
beating their
>record? Zappa? Elvis? People I don't know?
I doubt it. Zappa's catalog is much smaller, and Elvis wrote
only a small portion of his songs. Even many attributed to him were
written by ghost writers. Even other bands that have been around as long
don't come close. TD is unique in that they have been productive during
every year of their existence, except for 67-69. According to my book,
they have 106 total releases.
Broken down:
24 Studio albums
9 Live albums (Well, _purported_ to be live :-)
15 Compilations
24 Soundtracks (Only counting the Keep once :-)
34 Singles
1997 was their most prolific year, with nine releases. They
become more prolific as they move on. My book is 90 pages, and up to
1983 takes 37 pages, with the rest taken up by '83 - '98. 1990 starts on
page 59. Hmmm...
Scott
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Subject: Re: chat transcript
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> I still think Edgar's reply was hilarious when asked what he thought of
> Tangerine Ambience - 'Sorry, but we aren't allowed to use four letter
> words here' :)
It was made more hilarious - 10 lines later - when they were asked what
equipment they had used on Dream Mixes. They answered with: 'everything
but industry modules and half-baked shit'. Hmmmm....
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Subject: Re: Goblins Club
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> In the chat transcript TD asked about a riddle hidden the the title of
> Goblins Club.... What was it???
I wrote to the TD office about this. The best anagrams I was able to come
up with were 'bulb closing', 'sculling Bob', and 'cull sobbing' But I
have yet to receive a reply.
I'd still like to know what the deal is with the numbers that are printed
on the globe that the clown is holding. I'm sure a life-shattering secret
is waiting to be revealed there.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Subject: Re: Thanks to all!
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> All in all, I found Toronto to be a pleasant city: the people
> were friendly, and there were so many places to explore. To those
> on the list who live there (or near there), I'd like to express my
> pleasure at being in your city and look forward to going back...
Another satisfied customer! :-)
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
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>> In the chat transcript TD asked about a riddle hidden the the
title of
>> Goblins Club.... What was it???
>I wrote to the TD office about this. The best anagrams I was
able to come
>up with were 'bulb closing', 'sculling Bob', and 'cull
sobbing' But I
>have yet to receive a reply.
>I'd still like to know what the deal is with the numbers that
are printed
>on the globe that the clown is holding. I'm sure a
life-shattering secret
>is waiting to be revealed there.
Maybe it's another Publius Enigma like with Pink Floyd back in
'94.
Scott
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Subject: Macula Transfer soon be deleted !!
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
Hi tadreamers,
Some of you dreamers may already know the following info, but I've just
heard the incredible news, that the latest CD edition of 'Macula Transfer'
by Edgar Froese, will not be pressed again. The first pressing contained
1000 copies, and when they're gone, they're gone. There won't be any
further pressings.
Ed wasn't very happy with this reissue on Manikin records, and according to
what I've heard, the CD will be re-released (on Virgin ??) at some point
with a 'remixed' version on it.
So, if you haven't got a copy of this masterpiece yet, be sure you won't be
the last !! You can order your copy direct from Manikin records or other
suppliers (like Groove). I'm not mentioning the e-mail addresses, because
this ain't a commercial message, but just a warning that Macula Transfer
will become very, very rare. And I think you all deserve this CD !!
But I do hope for reiisues of Kamikaze and Epsilon on CD. Anyone has a
spare copy ?? Also wanted: the Schmoelling CDs (Zoo and White Out).
Cheers and hope to hear from you soon, concerning the wanted CDs !!
Wouter.
np. TD - live Hamburg 1980 (the best Silver Scale there is)
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Subject: Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :(
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Really-From: 'Steve Yensen'
>Why is the KEEP thread not welcome at the tderam mail list?
Yes, it is TD related, which as you say is more relevant than some of the
crap that has been posted recently.
What a minority of the list is whinging about is that they insist that The
Keep was not released in 1984, because THEY have not seen it with their own
eyes. This does NOT constitute proof, IMO.
IMO Steven has guts in having the courage of his convictions. If he has
handled the album, then I'm afraid nothing whatsoever will alter that fact,
absolutely nothing. That goes for the other four fans.
The 'official line' is that this is the first release. Another official
line is that only 150 copies of the keep 'limited edition' were sold during
the European tour. I bought five of them at the Nottingham gig and there
were plenty more in the box. I believe that the figure was much much
higher. Edgar is merely saying what he is told to say.
I would dearly love to see an original copy surface, to confound all the
doubting Thomases in the list.
All IMHO of course. Take it or leave it.
So I'll vote YES to 'Keep' this thread going!
Steve.
HOME - syensen@i...
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P.S. I am a Christian, but that does not mean that I have to shake hands
with God to prove it! The word is FAITH. Pure and simple.
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Subject: Re: Macula Transfer soon be deleted !!
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>Really-From: Wouter Bessels
>Ed wasn't very happy with this reissue on Manikin records, and according to
>what I've heard, the CD will be re-released (on Virgin ??) at some point
>with a 'remixed' version on it.
Although Paramount (sp?) was owning the rights, Edgar still had a kinda veto.
Manikin bought the rights from P. and they didn´t asked Edgar for the
permission,
that´s all. Edgar´s lawyer is already active, btw.
Once again Edgar rules the land !
I´m *really* looking forward to the remixed version.
The Manikin release just contains the original stuff, btw.
It seems to be not good enough for us mere mortals,
you´re bloody right Edgar !
>So, if you haven't got a copy of this masterpiece yet, be sure you won't be
>the last !! You can order your copy direct from Manikin records or other
>suppliers (like Groove). I'm not mentioning the e-mail addresses, because
>this ain't a commercial message, but just a warning that Macula Transfer
>will become very, very rare. And I think you all deserve this CD !!
Eurock stocks them as well, the 1st place for you Americans to order it, btw.
Wouter is right, sadly. We´ll have yet another rare TD-related release very
soon.
MC fits on a CD-R together with the missing Ages track, btw!
I bet we´ll see a EO II very soon.
Beat the pirates, sod them !
Kind Regards
Jens
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Subject: Re: Macula Transfer
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Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby'
Just thought I'd repost this section of one of my previous EMails,
considering today's news.
> While I'm on the topic of CDs, I'd also like to announce that Horizon
> Music will have copies of Macula Transfer to order for both
> subscribers and non-subscribers. The price before shipping for
> subscribers is $15, and non-subscribers $18. Those of you who need
> shipping or address information should contact me off-list. These
> discs should be ready for shipment within 4-6 weeks.
-B. Kirby
'Writers are monkeys who mean' - David Foster Wallace
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Subject: Re: Unreleased Zoning Soundtrack
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
Really-From: feldon@p...
>The 1995 soundtrack is from-scratch as far as I can tell (I never heard the
>original soundtrack). The two stand-out tracks on this 1996 release are,
>incidentially, the first and final tracks, co-authored by Jerome. He is not
>given credit in any other way than 'Written by Edgar and Jerome Froese.'
Thanks Morgan, but I wasn´t asking for the Soundtrack of the Video release
done by Edgar Froese (with a little help from Jerome).
Zoning was a German movie that came out in 1986 and featured
music done by Franke/Froese/Schmoelling. It was broadcasted
at least once on the German TV channel WDR. The music seems
to be available on CD-R. I never heard the music so far and
just wanna know if it contains unreleased stuff and if it´s worth getting.
Kind Regards
Jens
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Subject: Re: Out of Lurker Mode Briefly
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Really-From: TWeibre361
In a message dated 98-04-28 00:58:31 EDT, you write:
<< a naked breast is NOT PORNOGRAPHY.
>>
arabia...
tom w
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Subject: Should We Keep on Investigating THE KEEP?
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Message-Id: <199804281006.FAA24961@c...>
>Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:56:24 +0000 (GMT)
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Subject: Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :(
>Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
>
>The problem with the old Keep, as I see it, is complex. [. . .] Maybe
>it wasn't really an album - perhaps it was a promo cardboard cut-out,
>etc. [. . .]
What I saw was in shrink-wrap, had a price sticker on it, and had
something heavy inside it. ;)
>[. . .] If Steven ever does find the album, and deems to declare it to
>the list, I wonder how many will still not be satisfied with a scanned
>cover and a track listing?
Hey, it might even work out that all I wind up with is the music
on tape. *That* would really suck, now, wouldn't it? ;)
>All I ask, as far as the Keep is concerned, is that Steven keeps us
>abreast of his findings, but that he does so without resorting to the
>many thousand word theses which usually accompany his posts. [. . .]
Would you prefer that I post seven different subject-specific
smaller posts each time? Jeesh. I only pipe up with something if and
when I find something worthy of mentioning.
As for KEEPing you aBREAST (ooo, an E.O. reference, woweee) of my
findings, sorry, but that is now going on at my KEEP Mailing List--which
is subscribed to by all of eleven people (so far, anyways). In the past
year, I have responded to two false alarms, a hoax (the 8-track), and
now a shaggy-dog story with someone in England who claims to have had
the album then sold it but has a tape of it--which he has mislaid. :(
(This particular melodrama is still in progress, by the way.)
>>The 'official line' is that this is the first release. Another official
>>line is that only 150 copies of the keep 'limited edition' were sold during
>>the European tour. I bought five of them at the Nottingham gig and there
>>were plenty more in the box. I believe that the figure was much much
>>higher. Edgar is merely saying what he is told to say.
>
>That's an interesting point. The Glasgow show I went to was the third on
>the tour. Which one did you go to Stephen? I bought only 2 Keeps, but if
>only 150 were available, I cannot believe that they had enough left over
>from the tour to sell through some mail order outlets too. It was a
>what, 10 date tour of the UK? That's only 15 CDs per show. I cannot
>accept that they did not achieve sales of more than 15 Keep CDs per
>show, even if they did have a number of other items for sale.
Not to mention the fact that the TDI website originally said that
the ltd. ed. KEEP CDs would be alotted to web surfers who signed up for
one--then welched on the deal by never following up on it and selling
it out on the tour instead. :(
>>So I'll vote YES to 'Keep' this thread going!
>
>Ditto.
Ditto, *here*, too. (Duh!)
>>P.S. I am a Christian, but that does not mean that I have to shake
>>hands with God to prove it! The word is FAITH. Pure and simple.
>
>Perhaps ironically, I have more faith in there being a Keep LP than a
>God. But then we're getting slightly off-topic, aren't we?
I have some faith that God might exist. I have lots of faith that
UFOs and visiting aliens exist (sorry, but I've read over 20 books on
the subject in the past three years). THE KEEP, however, is not a
matter of faith. I *know* that *it* exists! (No doubt whatsoever.)
>Message-Id: <199804281229.HAA26580@c...>
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:33:41 +0200
>Subject: Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :(
>Really-From: jpeschke@s...
>
>Having heard the KEEP 497, the 'complete works' and the 'Blue Moon (TM)'
>release I can4t see anything of interest in a KEEP OSTRON discussion.
>The KEEP is highly overated.
For someone who isn't too keen on THE KEEP, you seem to have an
awful lot of versions of it. Ho ho.
>Option one: Stevo is wrong, he saw a bootleg/pirate/promo whatever
>Fine by me.
Oh, that's right, I forgot: record store chains (I saw it at a
Strawberries) carry bootlegs and pirates and sell promos, too. Thanks
for reminding me. X-0
>Option two: Stevo is right, a KEEP album exists.
>What4s worth ? Well I could quote Klaus Kinski ;-)
Who's he? ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Tue Apr 28, 1998 12:33
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Subject: Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :(
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Really-From: jpeschke@s...
Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
>I think the 'whinging' 'minority' actually splits into two camps : >those
that don't believe and those that are just pissed off at those >that do
believe and those that don't having such a verbose and >oft-repeated
discussion about it.
Craig, don´t forget those who just don´t care about whether it has been
released or not.
Having heard the KEEP ´97, the 'complete works' and the 'Blue Moon (TM)'
release
I can´t see anything of interest in a KEEP OSTRON discussion.
The KEEP is highly overated.
Option one: Stevo is wrong, he saw a bootleg/pirate/promo whatever
Fine by me.
Option two: Stevo is right, a KEEP album exists.
What´s worth ? Well I could quote Klaus Kinski ;-)
Kind Regards
Jens
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Subject: Re: 2 Zoning CDs? Which is which?/Macula transfer
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>I'm confused. I didn't see anything about 'Zoning' in the discography. Now,
there
>are two different versions out there?
Yes, there are 2 versions.
>I was asking for the music used on the movie, which isn´t available on any
officially CD.
Agagin thats right - not on an official one :-)
Marcel
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Subject: Re: Sound & vision
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> Really-From: szatmari pal
>
>
>
> >>
> Would you like to share your personal TD video clip?
>
> I mean: listening to a particular track do you see a certain
> color, shape, scene, happenings etc?
I have a TD clip for the track 'Hyperborea'
it's very literal to what is done in the music.. if anyone is
interested.
Greg H.
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Subject: It's getting warmer in here...
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Really-From: AslanFan1
Hmmm, a thoughtful question and statement, deserving an equally thoughtful
q&s:
I'm from the United States, land of the free, home of the brave (as in willing
to stand up for what one believes in). And my definition of pornography is not
defined by nakedness of specific body parts but the context and purpose to
which the body part appears. The cover in the context it was delivered fits
the description. I dont doubt we could come up with countless examples of smut
that further pushed the envelope of social acceptance than this cover, but it
doesn't change my opinion. It is what it is.
New topic:
Does anyone know what Virgin's deal is with The Keep? Why the delay and will
it release on both sides of the pond at the same time?
If anyone gets another shot at a chat with TD, I'd love to hear an answer to
the question of whether Jerome has plans to release a solo album in the near
future.
Now playing Manikin's release of Macula Transfer.
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: AslanFan1
>
> If anyone gets another shot at a chat with TD, I'd love to hear an answer
to
> the question of whether Jerome has plans to release a solo album in the
near
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hopefully not. Since Edgar seems to have given Jerome the reins of the TD
carriage, a Jerome solo (unless he did something really whacked out or
different, like an opera, haha!) would probably just sound like a TD cd.
We're getting 'Lion's Share' this year, so I'm sure the J will have his
paws all over that.
::E::
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Subject: Re: Explain *This* KEEP Thread, Chuckleheads! :( :( :( (fwd)
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
Hello folks,
here's Phil Derby's response as to his role in this Keep info on the
Sonic Images web site. With his permission:
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Phil PDX wrote:
> I wrote the thing on the Sonic Images web page about wanting to see
> Schmoelling and Franke do a new CD. The rest means nothing to me. I have no
> idea who the guy is that said he sent me a long email about The Keep and other
> releases he owns. I must've thought it was junk email and deleted it without
> reading it, if he sent me one.
>
> Interesting how one's name gets bandied about. :-)
> Phil
>
That settles that for me.
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> The music from the 86 Zoning was based about the song Vermilion Sands...
>
> I give the cover on EO a thumbs down... Not tasteless, but certainly not
> artistic... Juvenile at best... I would have much preferred to see her
> eyes...
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> MJ
Those are her eyes, dummy!!! Er...oh wait....hehe
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The music from the 86 Zoning was based about the song Vermilion Sands...
I give the cover on EO a thumbs down... Not tasteless, but certainly not
artistic... Juvenile at best... I would have much preferred to see her
eyes...
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>The Orgy cover was tasteless. I had to make a different insert
so I could keep
>it around the house. Call me Puritanic, Steve, I can live with
that. It
>strikes me as pretty crappy to judge someone for being too
prudish about
>pornography. We are a confused society these days.
I'm not confused. I'm a proud consumer of porn! I don't think
the cover was tasteless enough! Italy, now _that's_ a confused society!
>As for it beting art, ponder this:
>Crap under glass in the Smithsonian is still crap.
Depending on how it's presented, it could be art as well. Art is
defined as anything that is produced or presented with artistic intent.
Certainly there is an element on this list that believes that TD's
recent output is less 'artful' than, say, their late-'70s output. But is
it? I think so, based on what Ed has said. What about the Spice Girls?
(Uh-oh!) Without comparing the two (TD & SG, not Posh & Ginger :-), I'd
say that they present their music & performance not with artistic
intent, but with the intent to entertain. Therefore their music is not
art. I'm not judging the quality of their work, just what I believe
their intent is.
Erotic art is every bit as artistic as a still-life of flowers
in a vase. Maybe even more so, since erotic art often attempts to
titillate and excite (Though not necessarily sexually excite). By
comparison, EO is tame compared to many boots: The Rolling Stones' Rim
Shout, and Roxy Music's Bitter Sweet, e.g. and even tame compared to
many legitimate albums: Blind Faith, Jane's Addiction's Ritual de lo
Habitual, and the original cover for Spinal Tap's Smell the Glove.
What's so offensive about the human body? Especially presented
in such a way that it completely lacks context? It's really no different
than an illustration you might see in a medical book.
I think you're overreacting.
Scott
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>Really-From: 'Steve Yensen'
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>>Why is the KEEP thread not welcome at the tderam mail list?
>
>Yes, it is TD related, which as you say is more relevant than some of the
>crap that has been posted recently.
Agreed.
>What a minority of the list is whinging about is that they insist that The
>Keep was not released in 1984, because THEY have not seen it with their own
>eyes. This does NOT constitute proof, IMO.
I think the 'whinging' 'minority' actually splits into two camps : those that
don't believe and those that are just pissed off at those that do believe and
those that don't having such a verbose and oft-repeated discussion about it.
Even posts like yours and mine, Stephen, add to this verbosity and hence piss
some off even more. 8-)
>IMO Steven has guts in having the courage of his convictions. If he has
>handled the album, then I'm afraid nothing whatsoever will alter that fact,
>absolutely nothing. That goes for the other four fans.
Indeed. You cannot change the past. You can change the history books to make
people think the past was different, and people's memory can be changed (either
by themselves or by 'brain-washing'), but you cannot change what happened in
the past.
The problem with the old Keep, as I see it, is complex. There are a number of
people who believe they have held it in there hands. None of those people
actually bought it, for whatever reason. This is a big plus for the doubters.
Maybe it wasn't really an album - perhaps it was a promo cardboard cut-out,
etc. Of course, the doubters then pour scorn on whichever attempt at proof is
offered as to the iems existance. If Steven ever does find the album, and deems
to declare it to the list, I wonder how many will still not be satisfied with a
scanned cover and a track listing?
Clearly, the doubters have more 'official' 'facts' on their side - recent
searches have suggested that no such release ever occured and the TD office has
always denied knowledge of it. However, the believers have a weight of
anecdotal evidence from a seemingly disparate number of sources which suggest
that something did happen back in 1984.
All I ask, as far as the Keep is concerned, is that Steven keeps us abreast of
his findings, but that he does so without resorting to the many thousand word
theses which usually accompany his posts. I'm sure once you finally find it,
everyone will want to know all the details - and then you can tell us all to
stuff it! 8-))
>The 'official line' is that this is the first release. Another official
>line is that only 150 copies of the keep 'limited edition' were sold during
>the European tour. I bought five of them at the Nottingham gig and there
>were plenty more in the box. I believe that the figure was much much
>higher. Edgar is merely saying what he is told to say.
>
That's an interesting point. The Glasgow show I went to was the third on the
tour. Which one did you go to Stephen? I bought only 2 Keeps, but if only 150
were available, I cannot believe that they had enough left over from the tour
to sell through some mail order outlets too. It was a what, 10 date tour of the
UK? That's only 15 CDs per show. I cannot accept that they did not achieve
sales of more than 15 Keep CDs per show, even if they did have a number of
other items for sale.
>So I'll vote YES to 'Keep' this thread going!
Ditto.
>P.S. I am a Christian, but that does not mean that I have to shake hands
>with God to prove it! The word is FAITH. Pure and simple.
Perhaps ironically, I have more faith in there being a Keep LP than a God. But
then we're getting slightly off-topic, aren't we?
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At 07:25 PM 4/27/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Really-From: AslanFan1
>
>The Orgy cover was tasteless. I had to make a different insert so I could
keep
>it around the house. Call me Puritanic, Steve, I can live with that. It
>strikes me as pretty crappy to judge someone for being too prudish about
>pornography. We are a confused society these days.
PORNOGRAPHY? WHAT FUCKIN PLANET ARE YOU FROM?
a naked breast is NOT PORNOGRAPHY.
Morgan
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At 06:30 PM 4/28/1998 EDT, Steven wrote:
>>Option two: Stevo is right, a KEEP album exists.
>>What4s worth ? Well I could quote Klaus Kinski ;-)
>
> Who's he? ;)
Nosferatu. Another myth. But that's another thread, on another list.
Andrew
P.S. And Nastassiya's father.
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After some people made comments about how they thought my methods
for searching for THE KEEP were lame, I went to the Boston Public
Library and spent 3 hours looking through all the 1984 issues of
BILLBOARD magazine (all 52 of them) on microfilm. Eyestrain city. I
looked at the New Releases and Album Reviews sections in each and every
issue. I came across FIRESTARTER, but no KEEP and no FLASHPOINT. What
was *very* strange, is that HYPERBOREA was listed as being released in
the USA. Say what? Since when? *That* really threw me.
Anyways, I annoyed some reference librarians with questions about
copyright data, and then went to the government documents depository in
the basement level of the library. Nothing new there, either: just the
copyrighted *score* to the film. I'm hardly surprised.
-- Steven Feldman
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Hi
Since we keep (sorry for the word) discussing other groups albums, I've
just found out that the french Virgin, oops... Virgin France, reissued 4
CDs and a 'Best of' from the french group SPACE (late 70's-early 80's). If
you want more info check their homepage at http://195.114.83.83/
Back to lurk mode...
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Subject: Should We Keep on Investigating THE KEEP?
> ...
>>Having heard the KEEP 497, the 'complete works' and the 'Blue Moon (TM)'
>>release I can4t see anything of interest in a KEEP OSTRON discussion.
>>The KEEP is highly overated.
From everything I have read and of my knowledge of that era of TD I would
agree The Keep music per se is probably not worth the bandwidth of
discussion. However, that is not what this is about! It is about myths,
lies, inuendo, stories lost in the mists of time, Hollywood, Michael Mann,
urban myths, lost cities of gold, etc , etc.
As such it cannot and will not be ignored - as all the great
conspiricies are.
>>Option two: Stevo is right, a KEEP album exists.
>>What4s worth ? Well I could quote Klaus Kinski ;-)
>
> Who's he? ;)
You're kidding, right?
Mark Kosten
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>Really-From: 'Mark Mulik'
>
>I'm confused. I didn't see anything about 'Zoning' in the discography. Now,
there
>are two different versions out there?
Naah. Only the original video soundtrack is available on CD.
>The one I saw has a picture of a skyscraper in the background, and if I recall
correctly
>it says 'ZONING' in all caps in this goofy block typeface. Ring any bells?
That´s the video soundtrack, the music used on the movie
(Franke/Froese/Schmoelling)
never saw the light of the day on CD.
I was asking for the music used on the movie, which isn´t available on any
officially CD.
Ob: Mark, Macula Transfer: http://www.eurock.com offers it for $18 plus
shipping/handling,
never dealed with them, btw.
Kind Regards
Jens
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an1
>
>
> a naked breast is NOT PORNOGRAPHY.>
Duh, some would say that's subjective. Porn is writings or pictures
intended to arouse someone sexually or inspire lustful thoughts....AND
since this is almost ALWAYS done when viewing the naked body of a woman
(assuming yer a dude) it actually is porn...sorry dude.
>
> Hmmm, a thoughtful question and statement, deserving an equally thoughtful
> q&s:
>
> I'm from the United States, land of the free, home of the brave (as in willing
> to stand up for what one believes in). And my definition of pornography is not
> defined by nakedness of specific body parts but the context and purpose to
> which the body part appears.
Doesn't matter what you think....the fact is...if it's nakedness & it
excites someone...it's porn. Why the hell do you think we can't streak
in the streets...genius. It's illegal. Duh. Why? I think you know.
The cover in the context it was delivered fits
> the description. I dont doubt we could come up with countless examples of smut
> that further pushed the envelope of social acceptance than this cover, but it
> doesn't change my opinion. It is what it is.
yep...pornography.
>
> New topic:
>
> Does anyone know what Virgin's deal is with The Keep?
Speaking of Virgin's.... ;-)
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> At 06:30 PM 4/28/1998 EDT, Steven wrote:
>
> >>Option two: Stevo is right, a KEEP album exists.
> >>What4s worth ? Well I could quote Klaus Kinski ;-)
> >
> > Who's he? ;)
>
> Nosferatu. Another myth. But that's another thread, on another list.
>
> Andrew
>
> P.S. And Nastassiya's father.
Let's not forget his classic, 'Android', the TD film he was in, The
Soldier,....or his amazing film 'Crawlspace.
'So be it'.
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:32:46 +0100
Subject: SPACE albums
- Really-From: 'Jorge M. S. Figueiredo'
Hi
Since we keep (sorry for the word) discussing other groups albums, I've
just found out that the french Virgin, oops... Virgin France, reissued
4
CDs and a 'Best of' from the french group SPACE (late 70's-early 80's).
If
you want more info check their homepage at http://195.114.83.83/
Back to lurk mode...
Jorge Figueiredo
jmsf@c...
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Jorge:
That, for me, is very interesting info. I recently asked on Gold-tri if
there was any info, Jens (or was it Kees, sorry forgot!) did post about
a 'best of' cd.
Jorge, could you post that URL again, it did not work when I tried it.
For me, Space and TD are intimately linked, as I got Magic Fly just
before Force Majeure, 1977 I think. What with them, plus Star Wars,
Oxygene and puberty this was a great year!! The track Magic Fly remains
an all time favourite.
Daniel
BTW, some years ago I went into a record shop and saw Goblins Club, I
even held it in my hands, and unfortunately I also had enough money to
buy it.
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Really-From: Mark Fonda
I don't care if Stephen finds the Keep.
I don't care if Stephen doesn't find the Keep.
I don't care if Stephen is right.
I don't care if Stephen is wrong.
I don't care if someone researches the Library of Congress and finds a movie
score listing which isn't the actual OST.
I don't care if Stephen goes to the library and doesn't find a Billboard
magazine article in 1984.
I don't care if the producers are suppressing information.
I don't care if Edgar Froese's lawyers have a tape in their office.
I don't care if Virgin releases the Keep this year.
I don't care if there are 3 different versions of the OST.
I don't care if the OST doesn't match the movie.
I don't care if no one else feels the same as I do.
I don't care if everyone feels the same as I do.
I like green eggs and ham, I do.
I am JUST TIRED OF READING ALL THIS CRAP!!
Please, please, please do us all a favor and move this off to some other
place!! Stephen, if you ever do really have some actual news instead of just
rehashing this old, old, old issue another 417 times, then tell us about
it then. And if you really do want to gain our respect on this issue, just
keep it to yourself until you really do have something to tell... you're
just dragging this list down into a senseless morality issue which cannot
be resolved. You have your own Keep mailing list with eleven people who
DO want to talk about it, so guys, just have your little discussions there
and spare us the details. And don't waste our time again by responding
to this... just show some maturity and drop this thread!! You already
promised to once and now you're back in spades! And you guys who want to
rant about freedom of speach, please spare me... I'm American too and if you
want an analogy for this, just think of the term 'Filibuster'...
Mark
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> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
>
> I'd still like to know what the deal is with the numbers that are printed
> on the globe that the clown is holding. I'm sure a life-shattering secret
> is waiting to be revealed there.
>
What numbers? I've checked my copy and couldn't find any!
Colin
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>> >>Option two: Stevo is right, a KEEP album exists.
>> >>What4s worth ? Well I could quote Klaus Kinski ;-)
>> > Who's he? ;)
>> Nosferatu. Another myth. But that's another thread, on
another list.
>Let's not forget his classic, 'Android', the TD film he was in,
The
>Soldier,....or his amazing film 'Crawlspace.
And 'Venom'!
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At 10:15 PM 4/28/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
>
>an1
>>
>> >
>> a naked breast is NOT PORNOGRAPHY.>
>
>Duh, some would say that's subjective. Porn is writings or pictures
>intended to arouse someone sexually or inspire lustful thoughts....AND
>since this is almost ALWAYS done when viewing the naked body of a woman
>(assuming yer a dude) it actually is porn...sorry dude.
You have the wrong definition dude. Pornographic images have sexual
contact, sexual arousal, or lewd exhibition of the genitals.
>> Hmmm, a thoughtful question and statement, deserving an equally thoughtful
>> q&s:
>>
>> I'm from the United States, land of the free, home of the brave (as in
willing
>> to stand up for what one believes in). And my definition of pornography
is not
>> defined by nakedness of specific body parts but the context and purpose to
>> which the body part appears.
>
>Doesn't matter what you think....the fact is...if it's nakedness & it
>excites someone...it's porn. Why the hell do you think we can't streak
>in the streets...genius. It's illegal. Duh. Why? I think you know.
Because there are totally separate laws entitled 'Public lewdness' and
'Indecent Exposure'.
It's amazing how may people have no fuckin clue about the law. I study it
in my spare time...
> The cover in the context it was delivered fits
>> the description. I dont doubt we could come up with countless examples
of smut
>> that further pushed the envelope of social acceptance than this cover,
but it
>> doesn't change my opinion. It is what it is.
>
>yep...pornography.
Gee, someone needs to go back to the books.
Morgan
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Well, now on to _my_ obsession. . . :-)
I rented Sorceror last weekend and noticed that one of the non-ST tracks
was in the movie. It's pretty good, too. It comes when they're
travelling in the helicopter towards the oil well fire. I don't want to
go into too many details, but there were several tracks on the ST that
weren't in the movie. One that sticks out in my mind is 'Impressions of
Sorceror.' Too bad, because I think it features some of Ed's best studio
guitar work.
Scott E. Plumer
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>You have the wrong definition dude. Pornographic images have
sexual
>contact, sexual arousal, or lewd exhibition of the genitals.
Aren't we quibbling over something kinda silly? I mean, it's
just a definition! Who cares if it porn or not? It's just a bare breat,
and hardly an outstanding one at that.
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> Why the hell do you think we can't streak
> in the streets...genius. It's illegal. Duh. Why? I think you know.
Actually, it's perfectly legal for women to roam around the streets
(and in the subways) of NYC topless. Unsurprisingly, most women
don't take advantage of this law.
'Hey, c'mon over here and introduce me to your friends!'
-B. Kirby
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>>> >>
>>> a naked breast is NOT PORNOGRAPHY.>
>>
>>Duh, some would say that's subjective. Porn is writings or pictures
>>intended to arouse someone sexually or inspire lustful thoughts....AND
>>since this is almost ALWAYS done when viewing the naked body of a woman
>>(assuming yer a dude) it actually is porn...sorry dude.
etc etc etc.
I can see most of the people on this list come from America, hahaha.
You haven't seen anything. The regular CDs you can buy here have even more
nude. And why not?
Marcel
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Does anyone know what happened to the Pink Floyd mailing list?
Scott E. Plumer
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> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
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>
> Well, now on to _my_ obsession. . . :-)
>
> I rented Sorceror last weekend and noticed that one of the non-ST tracks
> was in the movie. It's pretty good, too. It comes when they're
> travelling in the helicopter towards the oil well fire. I don't want to
> go into too many details, but there were several tracks on the ST that
> weren't in the movie. One that sticks out in my mind is 'Impressions of
> Sorceror.' Too bad, because I think it features some of Ed's best studio
> guitar work.
>
> Scott E. Plumer
I'd agree.. GREAT movie! Love that bridge scene.. to my surprise, I rented
this w/o knowing the music was done by TD.. for some reason the name
didn't click. 'Miracle Mile' kinda stunk.. the music was messed, except the
scene at the start of the movie where the main actors treked through the
museum--the music fit perfectly there.
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>
> Actually, it's perfectly legal for women to roam around the streets
> (and in the subways) of NYC topless. Unsurprisingly, most women
> don't take advantage of this law.
I wouldn't either, when you could be accosted by members of the Jones
Street Boys or the Turnbull A.C.'s.
:-)
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> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> >You have the wrong definition dude. Pornographic images have
> sexual
> >contact, sexual arousal, or lewd exhibition of the genitals.
>
> Aren't we quibbling over something kinda silly? I mean, it's
> just a definition! Who cares if it porn or not? It's just a bare breat,
> and hardly an outstanding one at that.
Too bad EO didn't have one of those 'textured' 2-D covers, hehe.
::E::
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> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
> I can see most of the people on this list come from America, hahaha.
No, just the four or five who are talking about EO.
> You haven't seen anything. The regular CDs you can buy here have even
more
> nude. And why not?
You can buy those at any of our good import CD stores.
E-Man
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In article <6i7b1p$s2d$1@n...> you wrote:
: Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
: I rented Sorceror last weekend and noticed that one of the non-ST tracks
: was in the movie. It's pretty good, too. It comes when they're
: travelling in the helicopter towards the oil well fire.
The bit in the helecopter is not TD, it is credited at the end of the
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> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> Well, now on to _my_ obsession. . . :-)
Oh, you're not talking about Animotion? 'You're my...'
:-)
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> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
> >You have the wrong definition dude. Pornographic images
have
> sexual
> >contact, sexual arousal, or lewd exhibition of the
genitals.
> Aren't we quibbling over something kinda silly? I mean,
it's
>just a definition! Who cares if it porn or not? It's just a
bare breat,
>and hardly an outstanding one at that.
> Scott
It might not be outsatanding, but it is standing out!!! ;-)
Regards,
Conrad
PS: Any sign in Europe of Luminous Visions??????
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> Really-From: David Datta
>
> : Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> : I rented Sorceror last weekend and noticed that one of the non-ST
tracks
> : was in the movie. It's pretty good, too. It comes when they're
> : travelling in the helicopter towards the oil well fire.
>
> The bit in the helecopter is not TD, it is credited at the end of the
> film. It's the piece by Keith Jarrett.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is this the same jazz pianist who wears an awfully funny expression as he
plays (I've seen two Jarrett promo videos)?
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In a message dated 98-04-29 11:34:19 EDT, you write:
<< Does anyone know what happened to the Pink Floyd mailing list? >>
hehe...everyone is wrapped up in tape trees...seriously though, theres been no
problem on my end...kinda slow i guess...i mean how many times can one KEEP
saying the battery on one's p*u*l*s*e cd is low?
tom w
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>: I rented Sorceror last weekend and noticed that one of the
non-ST tracks
>: was in the movie. It's pretty good, too. It comes when
they're
>: travelling in the helicopter towards the oil well fire.
>The bit in the helecopter is not TD, it is credited at the end
of the
>film. It's the piece by Keith Jarrett.
Really? It sure sounds like them!
Scott
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Perhaps I should have made myself more clear. I tried to sub, but the
tcs.com address doesn't seem to be active. I tried www.tcs.com and got
some Indian consulting company.
Scott
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>
> In a message dated 98-04-29 11:34:19 EDT, you write:
>
> << Does anyone know what happened to the Pink Floyd mailing list? >>
>
>
> hehe...everyone is wrapped up in tape trees...seriously though, theres
> been no
> problem on my end...kinda slow i guess...i mean how many times can one
> KEEP
> saying the battery on one's p*u*l*s*e cd is low?
>
> tom w
>
> np: stereolab - transient random-noise bursts with announcements
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In article <6i7n5u$h0i$1@n...> you wrote:
: Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
: > Really-From: David Datta
: > The bit in the helecopter is not TD, it is credited at the end of the
: > film. It's the piece by Keith Jarrett.
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: Is this the same jazz pianist who wears an awfully funny expression as he
: plays (I've seen two Jarrett promo videos)?
Same one...
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> SPACE has got a web site : http://www.space.tm.fr/
>
> Greetings to all TD + Space fans!
Geez, and here I was thinking of the band responsible for the song 'Female
of the Species'.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Subject: Yeah, it's a tit...what of it?
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Let me just say that I'd much rather read 'Keep' postings than this silly
discussion of what consitutes pornography.
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>> Really-From: feldon@p...
>>
>> At 10:15 PM 4/28/98 -0700, you wrote:
>> >Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
>> >
>> >an1
>> >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> a naked breast is NOT PORNOGRAPHY.>
>> >
>> >Duh, some would say that's subjective. Porn is writings or pictures
>> >intended to arouse someone sexually or inspire lustful thoughts....AND
>> >since this is almost ALWAYS done when viewing the naked body of a woman
>> >(assuming yer a dude) it actually is porn...sorry dude.
>>
>> You have the wrong definition dude. Pornographic images have sexual
>> contact, sexual arousal, or lewd exhibition of the genitals.
>
>Uh, actually what I wrote was almost verbatim to what the dictionary
>defines porn as. Perhaps you should call Roget's & let them know they
>made a mistake. While yer at it, better call the other world
>dictionaries...they all said the same thing too.
No offense, but the dictionary has ZILCHO to do with what the law will
press you for.
>> Because there are totally separate laws entitled 'Public lewdness' and
>> 'Indecent Exposure'.
>>
>> It's amazing how may people have no fuckin clue about the law. I study it
>> in my spare time...
>
>You should spend more time reading the dictionary.
You must know very very little about the LAW. Go talk to a lawyer, or pick
up the Annotated Code for your state and look under Pornography. The
definiton is in black and white.
>> Gee, someone needs to go back to the books.
>
>Yep...look under P in the dictionary. You should be able to go from
>there. ;-)
Fuck the dictionary a third time. Study LAW
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> Really-From: feldon@p...
>
> At 10:15 PM 4/28/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
> >
> >an1
> >>
> >> >>
> >> a naked breast is NOT PORNOGRAPHY.>
> >
> >Duh, some would say that's subjective. Porn is writings or pictures
> >intended to arouse someone sexually or inspire lustful thoughts....AND
> >since this is almost ALWAYS done when viewing the naked body of a woman
> >(assuming yer a dude) it actually is porn...sorry dude.
>
> You have the wrong definition dude. Pornographic images have sexual
> contact, sexual arousal, or lewd exhibition of the genitals.
Uh, actually what I wrote was almost verbatim to what the dictionary
defines porn as. Perhaps you should call Roget's & let them know they
made a mistake. While yer at it, better call the other world
dictionaries...they all said the same thing too.
>
> >> Hmmm, a thoughtful question and statement, deserving an equally thoughtful
> >> q&s:
> >>
> >> I'm from the United States, land of the free, home of the brave (as in
> willing
> >> to stand up for what one believes in). And my definition of pornography
> is not
> >> defined by nakedness of specific body parts but the context and purpose to
> >> which the body part appears.
> >
> >Doesn't matter what you think....the fact is...if it's nakedness & it
> >excites someone...it's porn. Why the hell do you think we can't streak
> >in the streets...genius. It's illegal. Duh. Why? I think you know.
>
> Because there are totally separate laws entitled 'Public lewdness' and
> 'Indecent Exposure'.
>
> It's amazing how may people have no fuckin clue about the law. I study it
> in my spare time...
You should spend more time reading the dictionary.
>
> > The cover in the context it was delivered fits
> >> the description. I dont doubt we could come up with countless examples
> of smut
> >> that further pushed the envelope of social acceptance than this cover,
> but it
> >> doesn't change my opinion. It is what it is.
> >
> >yep...pornography.
>
> Gee, someone needs to go back to the books.
Yep...look under P in the dictionary. You should be able to go from
there. ;-)
Dano
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SPACE has got a web site : http://www.space.tm.fr/
Greetings to all TD + Space fans!
Fred (mad man)
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> That's an interesting point. The Glasgow show I went to was the third on
the
> tour. Which one did you go to Stephen? I bought only 2 Keeps, but if only
150
> were available, I cannot believe that they had enough left over from the
tour
> to sell through some mail order outlets too. It was a what, 10 date tour
of the
> UK? That's only 15 CDs per show. I cannot accept that they did not achieve
> sales of more than 15 Keep CDs per show, even if they did have a number of
> other items for sale.
I bought six at manchester, that I passed on to people on this list, and
there were
stacks of them. And these were just the ones on the counter for sale. I
would
estimate 80 - 100 copies based on my cd towers... hence my earlier disbelief
that there were only 150 made. Your comment adds weight to my thought, and
I believe the figure more likely to be 500 - 1000.
Perhaps Virgin allowed TD to produce 150, but more were created on the
quiet!
Lawry.
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Hi
Yesterday I posted the SPACE homepage address, but apparently it was a test
address. The definitive and correct one is http://www.space.tm.fr
Keep sending the news (I've done it again, I used the K-word...sorry),
Jorge Figueiredo
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I caved in yesterday and picked up a copy of Luminous Visions. Caved
in, I say, because from the TD music fan point of view, there's nothing
new here (not if you have the TDI version of Dream Mixes). Yet, I
was curious to see the music cut to images of 'a fantastic world that
forges a stunning new link between technology, art and organic life'. And
hey, I figured, it couldn't be any worse than the atrocious video for
Phaedra that appeared on 'Three Phase'.
Well, it's neither as bad as I feared or as good as I'd hoped. While I'm
a computer animator myself, I trade in traditionaly-based character
animation, and I've never been a fan of this kind of abstract
mathamatically-based imagery (in much the same way that I've always
preferred representational over abstract art). On the other hand, I
recognize computer software's growing potential to create beautiful
arrangements of colour and texture that a mind working consciously would
probably not choose. And in a couple of instances on Luminous Visions,
that potential is realized. 'Perpetual Fusion' in particular (using the
music of Touchwood) is great fun to watch. But those moments are rare.
Too often, the screen is filled with dull geometrical visualizations,
stiff camera work and uninteresting blobby jellyfish things. There's not
much here to inspire attentive (or repeat) viewings, which is a hallmark
of successful Art in my mind. So unless you're planning to have a rave in
the near future, you'll probably just end up playing the disk.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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ANYONE REMEMBER THE FOLLOWING BANDS:
Silver Apples
Tontos Expanding Headband
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In a message dated 98-04-22 21:35:19 EDT, you write:
<< Really-From: Michael Fox
Just got offline with the TD chat. Interesting. Their usual obtuse selfs!
Fun though! A log can be found (Thurs) at
http://www.scifi.com/chat/chatnow.html
Look for the chat log archive.
>>
I'm not finding this. Went there, found 'chat transcripts' but no mention
of Tangerine Dream chat. Will someone email me privately to tell me how to
find this? Thanks. Dell: aoutland@a...
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At 09:16 AM 4/29/1998 -0400, Scott wrote:
>> >>What4s worth ? Well I could quote Klaus Kinski ;-)
> >> > Who's he? ;)
> >> Nosferatu. Another myth. But that's another thread, on
>another list.
> >Let's not forget his classic, 'Android', the TD film he was in,
>The
> >Soldier,....or his amazing film 'Crawlspace.
>
> And 'Venom'!
>
That's it...now you did it... at
http://us.imdb.com/Name?Kinski,+Klaus
there are 145 movie listings for Klaus Kinski. So there. :-)
Andrew
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For the benefit of all who may be interested, the transcript is viewable
at:
http://www.scifi.com/transcripts/TADream.html
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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At 01:39 PM 4/29/1998 -0400, Scott wrote:
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In a message dated 98-04-29 20:06:08 EDT, you write:
<< ANYONE REMEMBER THE FOLLOWING BANDS:
Silver Apples
Tontos Expanding Headband
>>
I sure remember Tontos Expanding Headband, as a matter of fact I have their
Zero Time album, great early EM.
What about the bands Black Mass and White Noise?
Bye
Marcelo G.
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Hi everyone!
I just saw The new Tangerine Compilation at my local Tower Records, it
contains the whole of PHAEDRA plus RUBYCON part 1 and Stratosfear.
Can anyone tell me if these are the remastered versions or just the USA Virgin
versions?
Bye Marcelo G.
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In a message dated 98-04-27 23:29:02 EDT, you write:
<<
I have a TD clip for the track 'Hyperborea'
it's very literal to what is done in the music.. if anyone is
interested.
Greg H.
>>
By all means, spit it out man. That's what this thread is trying to do. 8-)
Dell
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>
> In a message dated 98-04-29 20:06:08 EDT, you write:
>
> << ANYONE REMEMBER THE FOLLOWING BANDS:
>
> Silver Apples
>
> Tontos Expanding Headband
> >>
>
Silver Apples' two records were re-released on CD by TRC records.
> I sure remember Tontos Expanding Headband, as a matter of fact I have their
> Zero Time album, great early EM.
>
> What about the bands Black Mass and White Noise?
Uh, actually I thought the name of album was Black Mass and the of the
band was Lucifer. At least that's what my copy shows. The same guy also
released another album 'The Unexplained' under the band name 'Ataraxia'
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Subject: planetary travellllllller
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ok, don't shoot me for asking this yet again but can someone once again
please tell me (and the others) how to get a copy of planetary
travelllllller?
thanks
lars
np: something really fantastic by td from 1976 but I promised to keep it a
secret for now ;-)
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> Really-From: AOutland
>
>
> In a message dated 98-04-27 23:29:02 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
> I have a TD clip for the track 'Hyperborea'
> it's very literal to what is done in the music.. if anyone is
> interested.
>
> Greg H.
> >>
> By all means, spit it out man. That's what this thread is trying to do.
8-)
> Dell
thanx Dell!
Well TD left me with an easy one here..
Read to the track 'Hyperborea'
The song opens up with in the awe of a crystaline world.. you enter
a cold, new world.. your feet are tracking deeply into the frozen surface.
The world proceeds to tell you about it's secret, The Secret of Hyperborea.
The chimes ring a melody of inchanting voices--this world is beautiful, but
something dark is hidden throughout the landscape.
Our traveler continues on, gets closer to the answers he dreams about..
Hyperborea is alive, it knows our travelers presence.. the secret is then
revealed.. slowly.. until.. it is now understood.
The wind blows deeply.. our traveler is now at the hands of his new
knowledge.. and what treasures lie in the bright coldness, he must find.
The landscape in evolving..
And the secret is visable...
Our traveler's heart is beating intensely.. his mind is dazzelling.. but
his feet can
only trood at the same speed through the thick snow..
deeper and deeper he falls.. the coldness and snow slows him, encapsulates
him
he can touch the secret but no more.. his greed has killed him, his life
has ended..
he has added but one more of the crystaline sculptures that make up the
beautiful land of Hyperborea.
Sorry I could have written this better, but I hope by listening to the
song,
you might envision a small part of what I see.
Greg H
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> ...
> ... Black Mass ... Lucifer ...
> ...
I thought the name of the album was Black Mass Lucifer and the author
Mort Garson.
-Alvaro
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>Really-From: Sean Montgomery
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>Let me just say that I'd much rather read 'Keep' postings than this silly
>discussion of what consitutes pornography.
Well done, that man!
Steve.
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Could somebody please forward Tadream digests #264 and #265 to me please.
Our server appears to have been down since Monday. Also, if anybody had
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for the inconvience.
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Could somebody also forward me digest #266. I received it but it appears to
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Thanks.
Frank Stephen
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NO! NO! NO! (Sorry, but I want to make it clear)
bear changed addresses a long time ago now. Please do not use the
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as Sean said, blobby things floating around.
Sure the animation has been edited to fit the music in some cases making
it effective, but other than that, unless its a rave or someone's smoking
something illegal, I can't see any reason for wanting to watch Luminous
Visions more than once.
regards
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My post was purely made because it was related to TD and my opinions of a
particular TD-related cover. It was not meant to stir a definition discussion.
Perhaps I should have stayed beneath the surface . . .
It sho' don't take much to be branded an idiot around here...
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>Could somebody also forward me digest #266. I received it but it appears to
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>
>Thanks.
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>
Mr. D.
The TD Digest #266 seems to have a format problem....crashes Eudora. Can it
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Thanks.
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My use of the F word was totally unnecessary. I apologize.
However... the definition of pornography floating around here is so far off
the mark that I thought I needed to stand up and correct some people...
Pornography is NOT imagery or written material that stimulates someone
sexually. If this is the case, then Reader's Digest and the JC Penney and
Sears catalogs are chock full of pornographic images. I don't think you
could make that stand up in court, Aslan, or Dano.
Pornography, in the LEGAL definition absolutely positively must have some
kind of sexual stimulation or contact or lewd exhibition of the genetalia
IN THE IMAGE.
This topic is boring and probably offensive to everyone, so I'll stop my
little rant now. Back to the KEEP discussion. =)
feldon@p...
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> Really-From: AslanFan1
>
>
> My post was purely made because it was related to TD and my opinions of a
> particular TD-related cover. It was not meant to stir a definition discussion.
> Perhaps I should have stayed beneath the surface . . .
Oh no, no....don't take it that way. In fact, I haven't even been paying
attention to who was making the postings. I wasn't directing criticism at
anybody in particular...and I certainly wasn't branding anyone an idiot!
I just found it to be an uninteresting debate, not to mention the fact
that it quickly got removed from anything related to TD.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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> Really-From: feldon@p...
>
> My use of the F word was totally unnecessary. I apologize.
>
> However... the definition of pornography floating around here is so far off
> the mark that I thought I needed to stand up and correct some people...
>
> Pornography is NOT imagery or written material that stimulates someone
> sexually. If this is the case, then Reader's Digest and the JC Penney and
> Sears catalogs are chock full of pornographic images.
Are you saying you get off reading the JC Penney's catalog? You really
are a misunderstood guy, aren't you. Hehe. I never noticed nakedness in
these mags...something you're not telling us?
I don't think you
> could make that stand up in court, Aslan, or Dano.
If you know so much about law, why are you sitting around on IRC
blabbing about PSX games instead of making six figures a year working
for some law firm?
> Pornography, in the LEGAL definition absolutely positively must have some
> kind of sexual stimulation or contact or lewd exhibition of the genetalia
> IN THE IMAGE.
You are speaking totoally out of context here. We aren't discussing
breaking the law, we were discussing the MEANING of the word. In case
you didn't know this, genius, you need to use a dictionary to look up
the definition a word, not a law book.
> This topic is boring and probably offensive to everyone, so I'll stop my
> little rant now. Back to the KEEP discussion. =)
Yes, back to the Keep discussion...hehe.
Dano
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Robert Hanna sez:
>> I sure remember Tontos Expanding Headband, as a matter of fact I have
their
>> Zero Time album, great early EM.
>>
>> What about the bands Black Mass and White Noise?
>
> Uh, actually I thought the name of album was Black Mass and the of the
> band was Lucifer. At least that's what my copy shows. The same guy also
> released another album 'The Unexplained' under the band name 'Ataraxia'
Mort Garson. I love that album. It's from the mid 70's, but
it sounds like it's from a decade earlier, with lots of cheesy
synth sounds all over it. I wish it was available on CD.
[It isn't, is it?] His most famous work was an awful music
and spoken-word album about the signs of the zodiac, which IS
available on CD, but I don't like it. It was the inspiration
for the Moody Blues' 'Days Of Future Passed', according to
Justin Hayward.
--Dave
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>Perhaps Virgin allowed TD to produce 150, but more were created
on the
>quiet!
Maybe it was a typo, and they meant 1500. I doubt they'd be able
to recoup their expenses on only 150.
Scott
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>sexually. If this is the case, then Reader's Digest and the JC
Penney and
>Sears catalogs are chock full of pornographic images. I don't
think you
Really?!?!? I gotta get me some!!! :-)
BTW, the Sears catalog is no more.
Scott
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>>
Really-From: Tdune
Hi everyone!
I just saw The new Tangerine Compilation at my local
Tower Records, it
contains the whole of PHAEDRA plus RUBYCON part 1 and
Stratosfear.
Can anyone tell me if these are the remastered versions or
just the USA Virgin
versions?
Bye Marcelo G.
>>
I have this compilation CD released by Disky Communications
Europe (The Netherlands) in 1996 licenced from EMI Int. (Cat.
No.: VI 873772)
It is not remastered just a compilation however it sounds great. I
bought it because it was dirt cheap and I had not got a copy of
Phaedra or Rubycon on CD before.
I hope I could help.
Regards,
Paul
n.p. Rubycon BTW have you noticed that according to TANGENTS
Rubycon 1 is called the crossing part and Rubycon 2 is called the
dice part. Isn't it illogical? Well, the only thing that counts is the
music not the title...
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 08:03 PM 4/29/98 EDT, you wrote:
>ANYONE REMEMBER THE FOLLOWING BANDS:
>
>Silver Apples
Yeppers. Two New York dudes from the late sixties. A drummer and a guy who
played this mess of occilators/filters called 'Simeon'. I may still have
the first lp. I'd heard they have something recent out but no other info.
Mike
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>
> Really-From: szatmari pal
>
(...)
>
> n.p. Rubycon BTW have you noticed that according to TANGENTS
> Rubycon 1 is called the crossing part and Rubycon 2 is called the
> dice part. Isn't it illogical? Well, the only thing that counts is the
> music not the title...
Well, did Ceasar say 'Alea jecta est' before of while he had already
started crossing the river? I'm pretty sure that there are not that
many actual withness around anymore.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957
online since early 1993, TD fan since 1977
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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At 12:57 PM 4/30/98 PDT, you wrote:
>Really-From: szatmari pal
>>>
>Really-From: Tdune
>
>Hi everyone!
>
>I just saw The new Tangerine Compilation at my local
>Tower Records, it
>contains the whole of PHAEDRA plus RUBYCON part 1 and
>Stratosfear.
New? This is the Disky compilation. It came out last August or so. I bought
it since my Phaedra disc walked away.
>Can anyone tell me if these are the remastered versions or
>just the USA Virgin
>versions?
I don't think these are the SBM versions.
Morgan
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Hey Lars,
Dont know where your from, but in the LA area over the last couple
of months I have seen planetary traveller at:
Best Buy,
Tower (Northridge),
Natural Wonders,
and for rent at Hollywood Video
Happy Hunting,
Steve
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In a message dated 98-04-29 23:10:46 EDT, you write:
<< > What about the bands Black Mass and White Noise?
Uh, actually I thought the name of album was Black Mass and the of the
band was Lucifer. At least that's what my copy shows. The same guy also
released another album 'The Unexplained' under the band name 'Ataraxia'
>>
You are right, after I wrote the post I went to look at the record and
discovered my mistake, for some reason the name Black Mass always seem more
appropiate for the band.
Bye Marcelo
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In a message dated 98-04-30 02:02:55 EDT, you write:
<< I thought the name of the album was Black Mass Lucifer and the author
Mort Garson.
-Alvaro >>
Actually it is called Black Mass by Lucifer, the word by is printed really
small, easy to miss.
Marcelo G.
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> If you know so much about law, why are you sitting around on IRC
> blabbing about PSX games instead of making six figures a year working
> for some law firm?
>
Oh, there's going to be a hot time on the ole IRC tonight!
-B. Kirby
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Really-From: Stephen Yensen
First of all, apologies for opening old wounds!
Also apologies for the overlong post.
When I first read the digest, I got so fed up of the continued slagging off of
the Keep thread that I wrote that reply almost immediately the vote call came
up. It was put into my OUTBOX. I decided against it in the end and exited
Internet Mail (Micro$oft's of course) intending to get rid of it. Funny
how by writing a letter can dissipate anger quickly.
Next day I entered Internet Mail again, trying to read new mail, and the first
thing it did was send that last message!
Aaaaarrgggh!!
Some interesting points have been raised, however:
>Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
>I think the 'whinging' 'minority' actually splits into two camps : those that
>don't believe and those that are just pissed off at those that do believe and
>those that don't having such a verbose and oft-repeated discussion about it.
>Even posts like yours and mine, Stephen, add to this verbosity and hence piss
>some off even more. 8-)
Agreed. This will be my last KEEP post to the tadream list.
>>The 'official line' is that this is the first release. Another official
>>line is that only 150 copies of the keep 'limited edition' were sold during
>>the European tour. I bought five of them at the Nottingham gig and there
>>were plenty more in the box. I believe that the figure was much much
>>higher. Edgar is merely saying what he is told to say.
>That's an interesting point. The Glasgow show I went to was the third on the
>tour. Which one did you go to Stephen?
The Nottingham gig was on Thursday 30th October 1997. Was this the first or
second show?
>Perhaps ironically, I have more faith in there being a Keep LP than a God. But
>then we're getting slightly off-topic, aren't we?
No more than some of the other crap we've been getting lately.
>Really-From: jpeschke@s...
>Craig, don´t forget those who just don´t care about whether it has been
>released or not.
>Having heard the KEEP ´97, the 'complete works' and the 'Blue Moon (TM)'
release
>I can´t see anything of interest in a KEEP OSTRON discussion.
>The KEEP is highly overated.
Maybe, but at least it's on topic. Anyway, I like it (the 1997 Limited
Edition) as it
happens. The music is a lot better than most of TD's 90s output, IMO.
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>I have some faith that God might exist. I have lots of faith that
>UFOs and visiting aliens exist (sorry, but I've read over 20 books on
>the subject in the past three years). THE KEEP, however, is not a
>matter of faith. I *know* that *it* exists! (No doubt whatsoever.)
Oops. Sorry Steven, I got carried away.
>Really-From: Mark Fonda
>
>I don't care if Stephen finds the Keep.
>
>
>I don't care if everyone feels the same as I do.
Sorry, my friend, but I do care. Not just about The Keep, but many other
things as well, so as a last request, CAN WE KEEP ON TOPIC FROM NOW ON, PLEASE?
As a last note on this very controversial subject, I will be continuing the
discussion on Steven's Keep list...
Steve.
Now playing: The Keep (1997)
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>Really-From: Steve_Whiteley@N... (Steve Whiteley)
>Hey Lars,
>Dont know where your from, [...non-pertinent stuff deleted]
-- well neither do I; if you find out first, will you let me know please?
thanks
lars
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Hey everybody... Tickets for Kraftwerk go one sale in Chicago tomorrow...
I have never seen them 'live' before... WHo is still in the group? Is it
worth attending? What might they play..it has been ten years since they
did an album!
MJ
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enjoy the show...
I saw kwerk in 1976
Autobaun tour GREAT show
do they have a web site???
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
It's funny but the message to which I'm replying got the flag
'Confidential' from my mailer. That's why I'm not quoting it here. :-)
I think we can all agree that we really should only post about
the Keep if there's something new. Based on what we know, this could
only be:
-Virgin CD released
-Steven finds the LP
(Wasn't there something in the Book of Revelation about finding
the Keep LP? 'And whosoever findeth the Keep LP shall be raised on high,
and all men shall bow before him that has become the anointed of God.'
Or was that the Gospel According to Steven? :-)
Scott
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>Really-From: Michael A Jean
>Hey everybody... Tickets for Kraftwerk go one sale in Chicago tomorrow...
>I have never seen them 'live' before... WHo is still in the group? Is it
>worth attending? What might they play..it has been ten years since they
>did an album!
The Big Two are still in the band: Ralf Hutter and Florian Schneider. They
have some new songs, but I expect mostly a Greatest Hits type show. That's
what they did when I saw them back in the early eighties and it was great.
John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept
Michigan State University
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> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> Yes, there are 2 versions.
>
> >I was asking for the music used on the movie, which isn´t available on any
> officially CD.
>
> Agagin thats right - not on an official one :-)
Yes, there is a limited number of CD-Rs floating around titled 'Zoning
1987'. There is about 21 minutes of music taken from the VHS film (rel.
1987) and the music is based upon the 'Vermillon Sands' track. The
music is taken directly from the film, so it is just a bunch of short
snips of music. But as mentioned before, this music is totally
different than the official soundtrack released in 1996.
Vic
===off topic - not really TD related at all===
Now my two cents about this pornography discussion:
It is interesting to read about how much 'excitement' a naked woman on a
TD cover causes. I bet if the cover had a picture of someone visciously
murdered, then no one would care about discussing it, even though there
are probably some 'out there' that might get 'excited' about that (this
is what scares me).
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In a message dated 98-05-01 09:32:28 EDT, you write:
<< Hey everybody... Tickets for Kraftwerk go one sale in Chicago tomorrow...
I have never seen them 'live' before... WHo is still in the group? Is it
worth attending? What might they play..it has been ten years since they
did an album!
>>
ralf hutter and florian schneider are (still) in the group...based on the
tapes from both the tribal gathering and the karslruhe gigs from last year
they basically play the same set they did in 1981 with the addition of three
new tunes...there has been mayor speculation about a new album, but it has not
materialized yet...i saw them in 81 and it was fun and imo worth seeing...they
will also be in nyc june 13 (tix on sale 5/8)...tix for their la and san
francisco dates are on sale already, and i hear sales are poor...their three
gigs in japan however sold out within an hour...they will also be appearing at
the tibet freedom megashow in dc on 6/14...
tom w
np: td milwaukee 88
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In a message dated 98-05-01 09:41:17 EDT, you write:
<< enjoy the show...
I saw kwerk in 1976
Autobaun tour GREAT show
do they have a web site???
>>
of course...www.kraftwerk.com...but dont get too excited...its pretty
minimal...
tom w
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REF NO : OTS-0501006
For sale:Steam iron with multiple functions.
We would like to offer 'STEAM IRON' in very low price and
in very high price.
This product has multi-functions (ironing/making a beautiful
face/humidifing/smelling sweet).
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FIRST-Q STEAM IRON US$ 9.50 300PCS
Remarks, 1)Payment : By an irrevocable L/C at sight.
2)Shipment: Within three months after receiving L/C.
3)Gold International Award at the Invention Convention.
August 31. 1997. California USA.
4)25th Silver International Award at Invention Convention.
April 14. 1997. Geneve SWISS.
If you are interested in it, please contact us
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Subject: Re: Exit SBM version
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>Colin Knowles said:
>
>Don't know if anyone else has noticed this but 'Pilots of purple
>twighlight' (sic) is spelt wrong.
>
>Wondering was it always spelt thus or is this a typo on the SBM version?
It must be a typo on that version mine says 'twilight'.
--tom
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At 01:04 AM 5/2/1998 +0900, you wrote:
>Really-From: mail admin
>
>
>
>REF NO : OTS-0501006
>
>For sale:Steam iron with multiple functions.
>
>We would like to offer 'STEAM IRON' in very low price and
>in very high price.
>This product has multi-functions (ironing/making a beautiful
>face/humidifing/smelling sweet).
>
>DESCRTPTION UNIT PRICE(F.O.B.) MINIMUM ORDER
>FIRST-Q STEAM IRON US$ 9.50 300PCS
>
>Remarks, 1)Payment : By an irrevocable L/C at sight.
> 2)Shipment: Within three months after receiving L/C.
> 3)Gold International Award at the Invention Convention.
> August 31. 1997. California USA.
> 4)25th Silver International Award at Invention Convention.
> April 14. 1997. Geneve SWISS.
>If you are interested in it, please contact us
>
>tel : 82-2-790-6436
>fax : 82-2-790-4713
>e-mail : intokor@c...
>
>----------------------------------
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>
That's the sneakiest ad I ever saw for a boot. Only those 'most dedicated'
fans would know that this is really a offer to sell a new boot. Wish I
could figure out what the title really is. I'm sure some of you folks who
really focus on the band can read the code. But, anyway, the price is
great. Do you suppose we can trust these guys?
>
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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Date: Fri May 1, 1998 4:39
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Subject: Re: Exit SBM version
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> Don't know if anyone else has noticed this but 'Pilots of purple
> twighlight' (sic) is spelt wrong.
Yeah, my copy has it spelt that way too. Mind you, there are several
mistakes on the SBM covers, including incorrect band lineups and albums
such as 'Thief' labeled as being 'Live'. You'd think someone would be
checking this stuff.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
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Subject: Re: for sale : steam iron
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
>Really-From: 'John M. Poer'
>
>>REF NO : OTS-0501006
>>
>>For sale:Steam iron with multiple functions.
>>
>>We would like to offer 'STEAM IRON' in very low price and
>>in very high price.
>>This product has multi-functions (ironing/making a beautiful
>>face/humidifing/smelling sweet).
>>
>>DESCRTPTION UNIT PRICE(F.O.B.) MINIMUM ORDER
>>FIRST-Q STEAM IRON US$ 9.50 300PCS
>>
>>Remarks, 1)Payment : By an irrevocable L/C at sight.
>> 2)Shipment: Within three months after receiving L/C.
>>
>That's the sneakiest ad I ever saw for a boot. Only those 'most dedicated'
>fans would know that this is really a offer to sell a new boot. Wish I
>could figure out what the title really is. I'm sure some of you folks who
>really focus on the band can read the code. But, anyway, the price is
>great. Do you suppose we can trust these guys?
>
>
>jp
>
>'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
Are you sure this is not an ad for a real iron but one for a bootleg? And I
wonder if anybody on this list will issue a sight L/C and wait 3 months for
a total of 300 bootleg CDs/vinyls? Vic, where are you, will you do this? :-)
Also what's the connection between the iron and this list...can this iron
make my warped Ultima Thule single flat and playable again (no, just
kidding)?
Jeffrey
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Date: Fri May 1, 1998 5:25
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Subject: RE: for sale : steam iron
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>>We would like to offer 'STEAM IRON' in very low price and
>>in very high price.
>>This product has multi-functions (ironing/making a beautiful
>>face/humidifing/smelling sweet).
>>
>That's the sneakiest ad I ever saw for a boot. Only those
'most dedicated'
>fans would know that this is really a offer to sell a new boot.
Wish I
Apparently I'm not dedicated enough! How do you know it's a boot?
Scott
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Subject: OFF: T.O.N.T.O.
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Really-From: 'Craig Shipley'
TONTO's Expanding Head Band's first LP was released on CD, along with the
material from the (unreleased) second LP about two years ago (one year
ago?). On the Viceroy label, but I think that it is already out of print.
The CD is great, sounds like it was recorded just recently, instead of the
early '70's...
=========================================
Craig A. Shipley craigs@s...
Siemens-Nixdorf ITSN
1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400
Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (770) 242-9374
Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023
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Date: Fri May 1, 1998 5:31
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Subject: Re: for sale : steam iron
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Really-From: Vic Rek
> Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
> Are you sure this is not an ad for a real iron but one for a bootleg? And I
> wonder if anybody on this list will issue a sight L/C and wait 3 months for
> a total of 300 bootleg CDs/vinyls? Vic, where are you, will you do this? :-)
Sure. If you could just explain to me what this is all about? :)
Vic
NP: Klaus Schulze - Dark Side of the Moog 6 - finally!
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Date: Fri May 1, 1998 7:01
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Subject: Re: 2 Zoning CDs? Which is which?
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>Vic
>
>===off topic - not really TD related at all===
>Now my two cents about this pornography discussion:
>It is interesting to read about how much 'excitement' a naked woman on a
>TD cover causes. I bet if the cover had a picture of someone visciously
>murdered, then no one would care about discussing it, even though there
>are probably some 'out there' that might get 'excited' about that (this
>is what scares me).
>
The excitement depends on the person on the cover who has been murdered!
Fred (mad man)
>
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Date: Fri May 1, 1998 7:04
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Subject: Re: Exit SBM version
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I've never seen EXIT sbm version. Anyone from France has any source?
Fred (normal man)
PS : some version have LIVE even if they are not, just to look like some
boots, you know, with false information, place location, etc.
(mad man)
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Date: Fri May 1, 1998 9:42
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Subject: Re: 2 Zoning CDs? Which is which?
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>Yes, there is a limited number of CD-Rs floating around titled 'Zoning
>1987'. There is about 21 minutes of music taken from the VHS film (rel.
>1987) and the music is based upon the 'Vermillon Sands' track. The
>music is taken directly from the film, so it is just a bunch of short
>snips of music.
Ta for the useful information, Vic ! :-)
Now I know why the original music never got mentioned on the list,
yet another bunch of short snips of music. Reminds me on Jim&Pablo
and other OST boots. Vermillion Sands is better than any of the tracks
on the original Video soundtrack, though.
Kind Regards
Jens
np: Schulze/Goettsching: Live under the blue moon
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Subject: Oh no, not the K word (Kraftwerk) again! ;)
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Really-From: 'Steven Feldman, Very-Ex-Kraftwerk Fan'
>Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:26:32 -0500 (CDT)
>Subject: Re: kraftwerk
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
>Hey everybody... Tickets for Kraftwerk go one sale in Chicago tomorrow...
>I have never seen them 'live' before... [. . .]
Neither has anybody else. ;)
>[. . .] Is it worth attending? [. . .] it has been ten years since
>they did an album!
I think you've answered your own question. ;)
Honestly, I have as short a fuse for Kraftwerk as many here have
for Molasar's Follies. I mean, Ralf and Florian have put out--what?--
a total of 9 (if you count the remix) albums in 28 years and people fall
over themselves about a band whose entire output never outsold one of
Giorgio Moroder's hits, while our boys Eddie 'n' Jerry have put out--
what?--54 albums (not counting the compilations)--and they get slagged
as New Age? Since when is it worse to be 'New Age' instead of *Disco*,
anyways? (Kraftwerk's 1978 album, MAN-MACHINE was voted Disco Album of
the Year in the cover story to an issue of DISCO WORLD magazine in 1979.)
I will admit one thing, though: it's more amusing to watch real
robots on stage (like at a Kraftwerk concert) than people who act like
them (like at a Tangerine Dream concert; guitar solos don't count). ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Tue Apr 21, 1998 3:47
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Subject: Re: for sale : steam iron
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first read the min order...300 pcs....what would you do with 300 steam
irons....that is $2,850 US...I could buy almost 3 of my car with that.
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> Really-From: 'John M. Poer'
>
> At 01:04 AM 5/2/1998 +0900, you wrote:
> >Really-From: mail admin
> >
> >
> >
> >REF NO : OTS-0501006
> >
> >For sale:Steam iron with multiple functions.
> >
> >We would like to offer 'STEAM IRON' in very low price and
> >in very high price.
> >This product has multi-functions (ironing/making a beautiful
> >face/humidifing/smelling sweet).
> >
> >DESCRTPTION UNIT PRICE(F.O.B.) MINIMUM ORDER
> >FIRST-Q STEAM IRON US$ 9.50 300PCS
> >
> >Remarks, 1)Payment : By an irrevocable L/C at sight.
> > 2)Shipment: Within three months after receiving L/C.
> > 3)Gold International Award at the Invention Convention.
> > August 31. 1997. California USA.
> > 4)25th Silver International Award at Invention Convention.
> > April 14. 1997. Geneve SWISS.
> >If you are interested in it, please contact us
> >
> >tel : 82-2-790-6436
> >fax : 82-2-790-4713
> >e-mail : intokor@c...
> >
> >----------------------------------
> >S.K.HONG / INTO KOREA CORP.,LTD
> >
> That's the sneakiest ad I ever saw for a boot. Only those 'most dedicated'
> fans would know that this is really a offer to sell a new boot. Wish I
> could figure out what the title really is. I'm sure some of you folks who
> really focus on the band can read the code. But, anyway, the price is
> great. Do you suppose we can trust these guys?
>
> >
> jp
>
> 'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
--
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Date: Sat May 2, 1998 4:19
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Subject: A few CDs for sale
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Really-From: Tom Richmond
Tadreamers:
I have a few CDs I'm removing from my collection (all prices include
postage):
David Arkenstone - Citizen of Time - $4
David Arkenstone - In The Wake Of The Wind - $4
David Arkenstone - another star in the sky - $4
The Future Sound Of London - Lifeforms (2D) - $7
Ozric Tentacles - Arborescence - $4
Various Artists - No Boundaries - $3 (A CBS compilation w/P.Glass,
C.Spheeris, J-L Ponty, C.Santana, etc.)
I also have a couple hundred LPs I'm unloading, email me privately for a
list.
Later
Tom Richmond
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Hi Tom,
I'd like to take that Ozric Tentacles. Haven't heard their material,
but only read about it. Perhaps this is a good time to check them out.
Let me know it if still is available and the particulars of the deal.
Thanks,
Roger C. Smith
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Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #264
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hello
would somebody be so kind to send this to me again as i am not able to open
the
original one.
my pc crashes everytime so i don't know what happened.
thanks in advance.
by the way i mean V16 #264
best wishes from andre
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Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience II
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Hi all, Lawry?
If anybody still looking for a copy of Tangerine Ambience II, I have a
few spare copies left.
E-mail me privately.
Kindly, Kent
np; Threshold - 'Wounded land'
> Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
> E-Man said...
>
> > I've just finished listening to Tangerine Ambience II, courtesy of Dan,
> > and all I can say is....hot damn!!!!!!
>
> I've never seen either of the TA CD's over in the UK, but I've been dying to
> buy them. Does anyone know whether they made it here, and if so, where
> I can get them from? Failing that, any european suppliers? I'm fed up
> being stiffed for import duty from the US for CD's, so I'd rather not have
> to buy them from there.
>
> TIA,
> Lawry
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Date: Sun May 3, 1998 3:23
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Subject: Kamikaze 1989 LP + CD Back Cover Photos
Hello
Just found that the Kamikaze 1989 LP back cover has a total of 17 photo shots from the film, while the CD inlay only has 9.
Hope this is of some interest :-)
Jeffrey C. F. Au YeungICQ no. 9326338
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Date: Mon May 4, 1998 12:45
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Subject: Items for trade , new Spanish list and boot images
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Really-From: jupe
Dear friends,
I have for trade or sale :
* CD TURN OF THE TIDES 1994 VCD-528 PDI 80.3418
* CD TYRANNY OF BEAUTY 1995 NUEVOS MEDIOS 35 672 CD
* CD THE DREAM MIXES 1995 VIRGIN 7243 8 40916 2 0
* CD LIVE MILES 1988 CASTLE ESM CD 368 GAS 00000368ESM ACO
* 2CD ZEIT 1972 RELATIVITY 88561-8070-2
* CD GREEN DESERT 1973 JIVE ELECTRO C TANG 1
* 5CD THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION 1996 CASTLE ESFCD420-GAS 0000420ESF
ACO
See details in :
http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm
To subscribe to TDfans (mailing list of TD in Spanish ) click here ,
http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/lista.htm
I´m looking for jpgs or gifs of TD bootlegs, items and pieces to make a
new boot page of TD.
thanks and sorry for my english ,
Jupe
* ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** *
La PAGINA de TANGERINE DREAM de JUPE
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New SWAP List 3.0 Nueva Lista de CAMBIO 3.0
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Para participar en la lista en castellano TDfans introduce tu
email en el icono de suscripcion que encontraras en :
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** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * **
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: 'Mailing List of TD in Spanish'? Cool! :)
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 02:45:02 +0200
>Subject: Re: Items for trade , new Spanish list and boot images
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: jupe
>
>To subscribe to TDfans (mailing list of TD in Spanish ) click here ,
>
>http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/lista.htm
Coo-el!!!
>* ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** *
> La PAGINA de TANGERINE DREAM de JUPE
> http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/home.htm mailto:jupe@c...
> New SWAP List 3.0 Nueva Lista de CAMBIO 3.0
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> http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/jupe.htm
>** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * **
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Subject: Perplexed by Dream Roots disc 5
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
I heard the unreleased material from Dream Roots disc 5 for the first
time today.
Quite frankly (no pun intended), I don't know what to make of it. I have
a hard time believing that all of this was made in the period between
Schmoelling's departure and Haslinger's arrival.
The soundstage is like nothing I've heard on any other TD album; it's
this big, earthy reverb that sounds very out of place for the band (more
like what one would expect from a Vangelis album, I think),
especially at this (alleged) time. Both 'Valley of the Sun' and 'Vanishing
Blue' sound like they have more to do with 'Canyon Dreams' than _Underwater
Sunlight_ (less so in the case of the latter piece), though in 'VotS' one
can still hear echoes of _Poland_ and--dare I say it?--_Rubycon_! The two
more Froese-oriented pieces, 'Beach Bay Bunker' and 'Red Morpho', sound not
unlike stuff from _Zoning '9x_ and _BtS_, but less well-structured and worse
production--especially that bad flute sample in 'BBB', with that 'click'
that sounds with each note. Already in each of these, there is the same
tendency Edgar has nowadays to explore too many thematic ideas with weak
links in-between, though 'Red Morpho' has much better, almost
Stuntman-esque melodies, to its credit.
So, I don't know. Were they in fact sowing the seeds of what was to come
4-5 years down the road here, and put it on hold when Haslinger signed on?
Or is this all a clever fraud pieced together by Edgar?
Gabe
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Subject: Re: Perplexed by Dream Roots disc 5
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> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
> Quite frankly (no pun intended), I don't know what to make of it. I have
> a hard time believing that all of this was made in the period between
> Schmoelling's departure and Haslinger's arrival.
> So, I don't know. Were they in fact sowing the seeds of what was to come
> 4-5 years down the road here, and put it on hold when Haslinger signed
on?
> Or is this all a clever fraud pieced together by Edgar?
>
> Gabe
Maybe Edgar silently proved to himself that he's still capable of
doing everything he's done before... but he needed his fans to
prove this true--thus Disk 5.
Conspiracy Theorist,
Greg H.
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Subject: RE: for sale : steam iron
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>first read the min order...300 pcs....what would you do with
300 steam
>irons....that is $2,850 US...I could buy almost 3 of my car
with that.
Uh, re-sell them?
Scott
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Subject: Dream Roots 5 Conspiracy
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
I disagree with the assessment it is unlike other TD music from the
period... It fits right in with alot of S/T material they were doing at
the time... Part of one piece is almost a direct take from The Park Is
Mine... I have no doubts that the music is from the period it claims to
be...
MJ
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
Suprisingly no one has mentioned it, but the second series of episodic
discs is now available through Sonic Images... There are 6 new ones,
which apparently have been available snce 4/21/98... I just order them
this past weekend...
MJ
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Deepak Chopra/Christoph Franke -- Transformation of Mind
anyone heard this? how is it? thanks...
tom w
np: spiritualized = someplace in the uk 1997
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I've got it. Someone speaks whilst Franke playing (quite good) music. it's a
CD enhanced ie with cdrom track but no part has music apart. Must hear to
those philosophical thoughts...
Fred
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>Deepak Chopra/Christoph Franke -- Transformation of Mind
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>anyone heard this? how is it? thanks...
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>tom w
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>np: spiritualized = someplace in the uk 1997
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Subject: Re: Dream Roots 5 Conspiracy
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On Mon, 4 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Michael A Jean
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>
>
> I disagree with the assessment it is unlike other TD music from the
> period... It fits right in with alot of S/T material they were doing at
> the time... Part of one piece is almost a direct take from The Park Is
> Mine... I have no doubts that the music is from the period it claims to
> be...
>
> MJ
What do you mean? To me, it doesn't sound a thing like _Le Parc_ or
_Legend_--and I don't hear any _Park Is Mine_ in there anywhere. Well
OK, maybe at the beginning of the sequencer part in 'VotS', but that
lasts for all of what, 2-3 minutes?
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In a message dated 98-05-04 11:22:44 EDT, you write:
<< I've got it. Someone speaks whilst Franke playing (quite good) music. it's
a
CD enhanced ie with cdrom track but no part has music apart. Must hear to
those philosophical thoughts...
>>
is the spoken word way up front? in other words, is the music incidental to
the philosophical thoughts?
tom w
np: batucada por favor
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I can't get over the sound quality of this Berlin encore from 1.30.1980...
even tho it's in MP3 form...
Morgan
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here's some philosophical food for thought, given by Deepak Chopra in
'Transformation of Mind', music by Chris Franke - (c) 1997
<>
Hope this won't bore you
Fred
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music is quite perfect IMHO with the philosophical subject...
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>In a message dated 98-05-04 11:22:44 EDT, you write:
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><< I've got it. Someone speaks whilst Franke playing (quite good) music.
it's
>a
> CD enhanced ie with cdrom track but no part has music apart. Must hear to
> those philosophical thoughts...
> >>
>
>is the spoken word way up front? in other words, is the music incidental to
>the philosophical thoughts?
>
>tom w
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>np: batucada por favor
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Subject: BEST OF THE KEEP CD-R (or C-90 TAPE)
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
People,
Now, now; don't get yer undies in a twist just yet just because my
name and THE KEEP are both in the header of this posting. Instead of
rehashing the usual, I have tried to put my mania to use by assembling
what I think might be a good alternative for TD fans who don't own each
and every TD item out there. Lord knows, even I don't have one of the
original 40 copies of THE COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP CD-R, so I really
sympathize with those with an interest but not the means. I mean, how
many of you have the CD-R and LOGOS TYPE and the TDI Limited Edition,
even? Maybe 20 out of--what is it, now?--700 of us here on this list?
Below is my idea for a CD-R (74 mins.) or cassette tape (90 mins.) that
would represent the film. If you don't care, press delete now.
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
I wanted to assemble a 'Best of' tape for a friend who likes the
movie, THE KEEP, but does not care for Tangerine Dream all that much.
In selecting the tracks, I thought that the lengthy tracks filled with
drones that make up much of the BLUE MOON boot and THE COMPLETE WORKS OF
THE KEEP CD-R would not make for a tape that invited repeat listenings
all too soon. Conversely, I wanted to make a tape that represented the
music in the film or variants thereof. Therefore, most of what is on
the TDI ltd. ed. CD was not used (because Michael Mann did not use it in
the film).
First of all, the following is the pool of tracks from which I chose
my selections. Here, all the tracks are grouped together with the CDs
that they are from. (Later, I will group the selections to follow the
order of the tracks' appearances in the film.)
NOTE: an 'x' before a track denotes music that might not be relevant.
+ - - - - - - - - +
º LOGOS from 1982 º
+ - - - - - - - - +
The two pieces of music listed below are variants of music that is
actually in the film.
From 20:16 to 25:45 (like when the two soldiers open the stone) 5:29
From 25:45 to 30:06 (pinging sounds; like when all the soldiers die) 4:21
This music is thematically similar to THE KEEP but is not in the film:
x From 42:16 to 45:00 (the majestic ending to LOGOS) 2:44
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
º THE LOGOS TYPE BOOT from 1997 (Berlin, 1992): º
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
Tracks 3-7 contain music not on LOGOS that sounds similar to that in the
film THE KEEP. Only (a variant of) track 3 is actually in the film.
x3. Rush of Joy (5:09) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 16: 'Heritage Survival'
(Track 4 serves as a bridge between track 3 and tracks 5-6.) Variants of
tracks 5-6 are on the TDI ltd. ed. CD, but neither are in the film.
x4. Mirage (2:37) [not really KEEP-related]
x5. Desert Run (3:57) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 8: 'Sign in the Dark'
6. Renewed Purpose (4:18) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 6: 'Night in Romania'
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
º THE KEEP--BLUE MOON RECORDS BM-12/BMCD12 BOOTLEG CD from 1995 º
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
3. The Black Soldiers (5:14) cf BL MOON track 7 & TDI ltd. ed. track 12
5. Brothers In Death (8:07) cf LOGOS (I forget which part)
7. Glaeken's Quest (4:38) cf BL MOON track 3 and TDI ltd. ed. track 12
14. The Keep 'Mid Theme' (Remix) (1:50) cf C WORKS track 7 ('Moorland')
15. The Keep 'End Theme' (Remix) (2:22) cf C WORKS track 13 ('Snowman')
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
º THE COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP CD-R from 1995 º
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
6. Leave Taking (1:22) incidental movie music; from where?
7. Crossing Saver (4:02) cf BL MOON track 14: 'Mid Theme' ('Moorland')
8. Gloria (1:42) the movie version of the tune; cf TDI ltd. ed. track 1
10. Terrible (5:42) cf LOGOS from 25:45 to 30:06; opening of LP Side Two
13. The Keep Theme (3:57) cf BL MOON track 15: 'End Theme' ('Snowman')
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
º ELECTRONIC ORGY 4-CD BOOT from 1998 º
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
11. Moorland 3:51 (on Disc Two) cf BL MOON track 14 and C WORKS track 7
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
º THE TDI LIMITED EDITION CD from 1997: º
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
These three tracks are variants of similar tracks that are in the film:
1. Puer Natus est Nobis (Gloria theme) (3:09)
6. The Night in Romania (3:15) [has a flute-like synth solo]
7. Canzone (2:51) [the looped choral arrangement; the talisman]
These three tracks are not in the film per se:
x8. Sign in the Dark (4:19) cf LOGOS TYPE track 5: 'Desert Run'
12. Supernatural Accomplice (4:07) cf BL MOON track 7: 'Glaeken's Quest'
x16. Heritage Survival (4:13) cf LOGOS TYPE track 3: 'Rush of Joy'
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
º THE LONG ENDING from THE BROADCAST TV VERSION OF THE KEEP º
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
Long Ending (7:32) the ending itself: longest vers. of 'Snowman' extant
Long Ending (12:32) ending inc. the repartee between Dr. Cuza & Molasar
Above I grouped all the tracks together with the CDs that they are
from. Now, I will group the selections so that they follow the order of
the tracks' appearances in the film:
Glaeken's Quest (4:38) BLUE MOON track 7; cf TDI ltd. ed. track 12
Supernatural Accomplice (4:07) TDI ltd. ed. track 12; cf BL MOON track 7
Logos from the 20:16 mark to the 25:45 mark (5:29) LOGOS album
Logos from the 25:45 mark to the 30:06 mark (4:21) LOGOS album
Brothers In Death (8:07) BLUE MOON track 5; cf LOGOS
Terrible (5:42) COMPLETE WORKS track 10; cf LOGOS from 25:45 to 30:06
Leave Taking (1:22) C WORKS track 6; incidental movie music; from where?
Puer Natus est Nobis (Gloria theme) (3:09) TDI ltd. ed. track 1
Gloria (1:42) COMPLETE WORKS track 8; the movie version of the tune
The Keep 'Mid Theme' (Remix) (1:50) BLUE MOON track 14 ('Moorland')
Crossing Saver (4:02) COMPLETE WORKS track 7 ('Moorland')
Moorland 3:51 ELECTRONIC ORGY disc two, track 11
Canzone (2:51) TDI ltd. ed. track 7 [the looped choral arrangement]
The Night in Romania (3:15) TDI ltd. ed. track 6 [flute-like solo]
Renewed Purpose (4:18) LOGOS TYPE track 6 [flute-like solo]
The Keep 'End Theme' (Remix) (2:22) BLUE MOON track 15 ('Snowman')
The Keep Theme (3:57) COMPLETE WORKS track 13 ('Snowman')
Long Ending (7:32) BROADCAST TV; the longest version of 'Snowman' extant
[A Primary KEEP Tunes Total Running Time of 72:23]
Note that 'The Keep 'Mid Theme' (Remix)'--from the BLUE MOON boot--
is somewhat redundant, as is 'The Keep 'End Theme' (Remix)'--also from
the BLUE MOON boot. This is because the versions of these songs that
appear on the COMPLETE WORKS CD-R ('Crossing Saver' and 'The Keep Theme')
are both longer versions of 'Moorland' and 'Theme from the Snowman,'
respectively.
The KEEP-like tracks have been separated out because they really
don't appear in the film anywhere. Specifically, I am referring to:
Desert Run (3:57) LOGOS TYPE track 5; cf TDI ltd. ed. track 8
Sign in the Dark (4:19) TDI ltd. ed. track 8; cf LOGOS TYPE track 5
Rush of Joy (5:09) LOGOS TYPE track 3; TDI ltd. ed. track 16
Heritage Survival (4:13) TDI ltd. ed. track 16; cf LOGOS TYPE track 3
[Secondary KEEP Tunes Total Running Time of 17:58]
Could anyone tell me just why it is that people consider the two
tunes (spread over four tracks) above are considered to be 'KEEP' music.
A Primary KEEP Tunes Total Running Time of 72:23
Secondary KEEP Tunes Total Running Time of 17:58
The Primary and Secondary Times Combine to 90:22
The primary KEEP tunes total 72 minutes and 23 seconds, which would
make up a CD-R rather nicely. The secondary KEEP tunes total 17 minutes
and 58 seconds. Add the two together, and you get 90 minutes and 22
seconds, which will fit on a 90-minute tape. Pretty good, eh? ;)
'Bye now.
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Subject: Correction to BEST OF KEEP CD-R (or tape)
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Mon, 04 May 98 19:51:28 EDT
>Subject: BEST OF THE KEEP CD-R (or C-90 TAPE)
>From: Tangerine Dream mailing list
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
>º THE LOGOS TYPE BOOT from 1997 (Berlin, 1992): º
>+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
>
>Tracks 3-7 contain music not on LOGOS that sounds similar to that in the
>film THE KEEP. Only (a variant of) track 3 is actually in the film.
> ^^^^^^^
>x3. Rush of Joy (5:09) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 16: 'Heritage Survival'
>
>(Track 4 serves as a bridge between track 3 and tracks 5-6.) Variants of
>tracks 5-6 are on the TDI ltd. ed. CD, but neither are in the film.
> ^^^
>x4. Mirage (2:37) [not really KEEP-related]
>
>x5. Desert Run (3:57) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 8: 'Sign in the Dark'
> 6. Renewed Purpose (4:18) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 6: 'Night in Romania'
Whoops. I screwed up. The above *should* have read . . .
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
| THE LOGOS TYPE BOOT from 1997 (Berlin, 1982): |
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
Tracks 3-7 contain music not on LOGOS that sounds similar to that in the
film THE KEEP. Only (a variant of) track 6 is actually in the film.
6. Renewed Purpose (4:18) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 6: 'Night in Romania'
^^^^^^^
(Track 4 serves as a bridge between track 3 and tracks 5-6.) Variants of
tracks 3 and 5 are on the TDI ltd. ed. CD, but neither are in the film.
^^^^^^^
x3. Rush of Joy (5:09) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 16: 'Heritage Survival'
x4. Mirage (2:37) [not really KEEP-related]
x5. Desert Run (3:57) cf TDI ltd. ed. track 8: 'Sign in the Dark'
-- Steven Feldman
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Subject: Re: for sale : steam iron
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On Sat, 2 May 1998 01:04:52 +0900 (KST), you wrote:
>Really-From: mail admin
>
>
>
>REF NO : OTS-0501006
>
>For sale:Steam iron with multiple functions.
>
>We would like to offer 'STEAM IRON' in very low price and
>in very high price.
>This product has multi-functions (ironing/making a beautiful
>face/humidifing/smelling sweet).
>
>DESCRTPTION UNIT PRICE(F.O.B.) MINIMUM ORDER
>FIRST-Q STEAM IRON US$ 9.50 300PCS
>
>Remarks, 1)Payment : By an irrevocable L/C at sight.
> 2)Shipment: Within three months after receiving L/C.
> 3)Gold International Award at the Invention Convention.
> August 31. 1997. California USA.
> 4)25th Silver International Award at Invention Convention.
> April 14. 1997. Geneve SWISS.
>If you are interested in it, please contact us
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>tel : 82-2-790-6436
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>----------------------------------
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Please send me 5 'steam irons', nudge nudge, wink, wink! I hope no one
finds out that they're actually copies of the original KEEP, but that
will be our little secret.
Look forward to hearing from you!
--
Mike Livsey
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Really-From: TangerineC
You mean the Bootleg version of the Keep or the TDI version?
In a message dated 98-05-04 22:05:27 EDT, you write:
<< Please send me 5 'steam irons', nudge nudge, wink, wink! I hope no one
finds out that they're actually copies of the original KEEP, but that
will be our little secret.
Look forward to hearing from you!
--
Mike Livsey >>
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On Tue, 5 May 1998 01:36:09 EDT, you wrote:
>Really-From: TangerineC
>
>
>You mean the Bootleg version of the Keep or the TDI version?
>
Oh shoot! Did I post that message to the list?
Mea Culpa!
>In a message dated 98-05-04 22:05:27 EDT, you write:
>
><< Please send me 5 'steam irons', nudge nudge, wink, wink! I hope no one
> finds out that they're actually copies of the original KEEP, but that
> will be our little secret.
>
> Look forward to hearing from you!
> --
> Mike Livsey >>
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Subject: Re: Exit SBM version
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Really-From: Colin Knowles
> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
> > Don't know if anyone else has noticed this but 'Pilots of purple
> > twighlight' (sic) is spelt wrong.
>
> Yeah, my copy has it spelt that way too. Mind you, there are several
> mistakes on the SBM covers, including incorrect band lineups and albums
> such as 'Thief' labeled as being 'Live'. You'd think someone would be
> checking this stuff.
My SBM copy says 'Exit-Live' on the case! Really confused me when I saw it!
Colin
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> Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?='
>
> here's some philosophical food for thought, given by Deepak Chopra in
> 'Transformation of Mind', music by Chris Franke - (c) 1997
>
> fingers like sand. To have reality that is
> whole and thus truly real, one must rise
> above the intellect.
Eh?
> Hope this won't bore you
>
> Fred
No, but I've got a feeling that the album might!
Colin
'Music when coupled to an intriguing idea becomes poetry,
Music, without an intriguing idea is simply music.
Without music or an intriguing idea, colour becomes palor,
Home becomes catacomb,
And the dead.. are but for a moment.. motionless...'
-- O. Wells
(from APP's 'House of Usher')
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Date: Tue May 5, 1998 12:45
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Subject: Exit LP Testpressing + Gold Magazine
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A. Does anyone know where I can obtain TD testpressings? I'm
particularly looking for the testpressing of the Exit LP.
B. Gold Magazine CD Samplers - I know there was a Gold Magazine sampler
CD release with the 'Streethawk' track on it (which I'm looking for),
but awhile back I think someone hinted that there may be another sampler
in this series that also contains a TD (or related) track. Can anyone
help? How about our friends from the UK?
Thanks,
Vic
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Subject: Virgin Collection 73-87
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Does anyone have a copy of the 4 CD (or 5 LP) sampler from Japan titled
'Virgin Collection 73-87' (Virgin VJD 25001-4)?
I will pay cash or trade for this. BTW, you can check out my updated
trade list at: http://idt.net/~torque19/td_trade.htm
Thanks again,
Vic
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>
>> Hope this won't bore you
>>
>> Fred
>
>No, but I've got a feeling that the album might!
>
>Colin
>
Haha! You're right, I won't listen to that as often as... let's say Logos...
or Klemania to stay at CF on his own.
But it's interesting to have some thoughts from time to time... even if you
can't understand all He says. BTW, think that I have to listen to that **in
english** (which is not my mother tongue...)
Fred
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Hi, Tadreamers,
I've just gone to the page
http://www.moogmusic.com/archive/products/taurus.html, where a synthi called
taurus II is shown (moog's archive). Does anyone know if there is a relation
with Mike Oldfield's suite (QE2 / 5 miles out / crises) also called Taurus
1, 2 & 3?
Thanx.
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In a message dated 98-05-05 15:10:28 EDT, you write:
<< Haha! You're right, I won't listen to that as often as... let's say
Logos...
or Klemania to stay at CF on his own.
But it's interesting to have some thoughts from time to time... even if you
can't understand all He says. BTW, think that I have to listen to that **in
english** (which is not my mother tongue...)
>>
but i still dont get the gist here...is it one of those recordings where the
music is muted in the background and the spoken word is way up front, or the
music is the important part with some whispered philosophical ramblings? does
one buy this disc for the music or the enlightenment? and please dont say
both...
tom w
np: talk talk = asides+besides
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I'd go for it, if the price was right...
Gabe
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Colin writes:
> 'Music when coupled to an intriguing idea becomes poetry,
> Music, without an intriguing idea is simply music.
> Without music or an intriguing idea, colour becomes palor,
> Home becomes catacomb,
> And the dead.. are but for a moment.. motionless...'
> -- O.
Wells
> (from APP's 'House of Usher')
>
Hey, great quote from 'Tales of Mystery and Imagination', but it should be
attributed to Edgar Allen Poe. Orson Welles was the narrator, not the
writer....David
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Subject: Vacation
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Really-From: DAVENTURA
After a nice 5 day trip to Yosemite (Heaven on Earth in California) this past
weekend, I looked forward to coming home and reading all the 'great' mail from
the list. Boy, was I disappointed. We are still ranting about Steven's KEEP
obsession, and trying to figure out what pornography is or is not. My two
cents don't matter, and personally I don't really care. Can we get back to
important facts and rumors about TD, or have we run out of things to talk
about? Deepak Chopra is an idiot. He gives 'New Age Medicine' a bad name. Of
course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong....David
BTW...While I was gone, I got a letter from Horizon Music announcing their
release of Macula Transfer...it says 'released for the first time on
cd...special offer available before official virgin records release...only $15
for subscribers...$18 for all others'
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>Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgWWFyZ3Vp?='
>
>I've just gone to the page
>http://www.moogmusic.com/archive/products/taurus.html, where a synthi
called
>taurus II is shown (moog's archive). Does anyone know if there is a
relation
>with Mike Oldfield's suite (QE2 / 5 miles out / crises) also called Taurus
>1, 2 & 3?
Moog never released a Taurus 3, Oldfield did. So, no there no relation.
:-)))
Marcel
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Subject: 6 More B5 Discs; Are There 13 Now???
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Re B5, so far there's been [from the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY:]
1994 BABYLON 5 (ltd ed sndtrck; '95 ed adds 3 cuts, diff booklet & tray photo)
1997 BABYLON 5, VOLUME 2: MESSAGES FROM EARTH (TV soundtrack)
' BABYLON 5: A LATE DELIVERY FROM AVALON (1st TV ep. sndtrck; SI/fan club)
' BABYLON 5: Z'HA'DUM (2nd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
' BABYLON 5: SHADOW DANCING (3rd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
' BABYLON 5: SEVERED DREAMS (4th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
' BABYLON 5: WALKABOUT (5th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
>Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:51:17 -0500 (CDT)
>Subject: Re: B5 new episodics
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
>Suprisingly no one has mentioned it, but the second series of episodic
>discs is now available through Sonic Images... There are 6 new ones,
>which apparently have been available snce 4/21/98... I just order them
>this past weekend...
When you find out what their names are, could you post them here?
The more anally-retentive among us would like to have the specifics for
discographical purposes. For example, I'm sure Lars Jones, Scott Plumer
& Vic Rek would be appreciative--if they don't already know, that is. ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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>
> Re B5, so far there's been [from the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY:]
>
> 1994 BABYLON 5 (ltd ed sndtrck; '95 ed adds 3 cuts, diff booklet & tray photo)
> 1997 BABYLON 5, VOLUME 2: MESSAGES FROM EARTH (TV soundtrack)
> ' BABYLON 5: A LATE DELIVERY FROM AVALON (1st TV ep. sndtrck; SI/fan club)
> ' BABYLON 5: Z'HA'DUM (2nd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
> ' BABYLON 5: SHADOW DANCING (3rd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
> ' BABYLON 5: SEVERED DREAMS (4th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
> ' BABYLON 5: WALKABOUT (5th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
>
> >Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:51:17 -0500 (CDT)
> >Subject: Re: B5 new episodics
> >From: tadream mailing list
> >Really-From: Michael A Jean
> >
> >Suprisingly no one has mentioned it, but the second series of episodic
> >discs is now available through Sonic Images... There are 6 new ones,
> >which apparently have been available snce 4/21/98... I just order them
> >this past weekend...
>
> When you find out what their names are, could you post them here?
> The more anally-retentive among us would like to have the specifics for
> discographical purposes. For example, I'm sure Lars Jones, Scott Plumer
> & Vic Rek would be appreciative--if they don't already know, that is. ;)
>
Franke sent us some promos of the CD's right before I bailed SC. I
forgot the names but the SI website should already have them listed.
Dano
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>Really-From: Steven.Feldman, Anal-Retentive-at-Large
> When you find out what their names are, could you post them here?
>The more anally-retentive among us would like to have the specifics for
>discographical purposes. For example, I'm sure Lars Jones, Scott Plumer
>& Vic Rek would be appreciative--if they don't already know, that is. ;)
So why do you have two different discs of the Legend strk CD by Jerry Goldsmith?
VR-
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Really-From: 'John M. Poer'
At 11:59 PM 5/5/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>>Really-From: Steven.Feldman, Anal-Retentive-at-Large
>
>> When you find out what their names are, could you post them here?
>>The more anally-retentive among us would like to have the specifics for
>>discographical purposes. For example, I'm sure Lars Jones, Scott Plumer
>>& Vic Rek would be appreciative--if they don't already know, that is. ;)
>
>So why do you have two different discs of the Legend strk CD by Jerry
Goldsmith?
>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>VR-
>
Gosh, that's a relief, I thought I was the only one who went out and bought
those! I even have 'Vision Quest'. There's not a single TD cut on the
album, but they are credited with the music. There are VERY few bits of
their music in the film.
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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Chat with the LUMINOUS VISIONS producer!
Wednesday May 6th at 9pm (EDT) the Sci-Fi Channel's website, The
Dominion, is hosting an online 'rave' chat event, featuring
streaming video from Odyssey Production's newest video 'LUMINOUS
VISIONS' and an online chat with STEVEN CHURCHILL, Producer of The
Mind's Eye videos. 'LUMINOUS VISIONS' showcases the spectacular
computer animation of Yoichiro Kawaguchi and music by Tangerine Dream.
You won't want to miss it!
To watch the streaming video and join the chat, visit
http://www.scifi.com/rave/,
or go to
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for more information. Requires RealPlayer 4.0 or later and a java-capable
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Really-From: Michael Kepler
Waaaay off topic, but what the hell? There doesn't seem to be much
self-discipline practiced on this list.
> Deepak Chopra is an idiot. He gives 'New Age Medicine' a bad name. Of
> course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong....David
Deepak Chopra is probably not an idiot. He is, in my not-so-humble opinion
dishonest, crass and manipulative. He is another in a long line
of snake-oil salesmen profiting from the idiocy of others.
The idea that he gives 'New Age Medicine' a 'bad name' is amusing.
The phraze 'New Age Medicine' is itself an oxymoron. The concept
and practice of 'New Age Medicine' is full of tragi-comic ironies.
Too bad Chris Franke let the nonsensical filing of his CDs in the
'New Age' section at Tower Records go to his head. I guess he's
just trying to identify a niche market that can give him modest
but dependable sales. Sort of a musical hanger-on to the New Age
Medicine Show.
I guess with the Chris Franke comment I've actually blundered back
on-topic. Goody for me.
I could be wrong, but I seldom think so.
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fred.yargui@w... wrote :
>I've just gone to the page
>http://www.moogmusic.com/archive/products/taurus.html, where a synthi called
>taurus II is shown (moog's archive). Does anyone know if there is a relation
>with Mike Oldfield's suite (QE2 / 5 miles out / crises) also called Taurus
>1, 2 & 3?
Absolutely not !! The Taurus is an analog techno-synth. It's got nothing
to do with Oldfield's Tauruses !
Flemming, Denmark.
n.p.o.m Raven synthesizer.
(n.p.o.m. = now playing on my) ;-)
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Hi TD fanatics, and I know I can say that as I have read all the messages you
have sent in the last week. I am a new subscriber to this list and a long time
TD fan. My name is Joel Mullen and I live in Wisconsin. My sister almost went
to UW Parkside (where I assume this list originates) before she decided to move
in with her loser boyfriend (who is now a cop amazingly). I first got a taste
of TD in highschool about '84. A couple of school plays we did had TD music as
background music. We bought 'all' the TD albums we could find on with the
school's money and made tapes for personal use (poor quality). It wasn't until
1987 when in college I bought a used copy of Dream Sequence (on CD) that I
really began to appreciate them. Although I was a poor college student and CDs
were new and expensive I bought whatever I found and thought I was doing pretty
good collecting. With very few resources for discography I relied on liner
notes and rumours for my searching. Every place !
!
I have traveled I have taken some time to check out the local stores for
missing items. Everytime I find a release I am unaware of I am happy and
frustrated (what else am I missing?) Over the years I have found many
'complete' discographies. Usually they would be pathetically small, or they
would be large showing me 5 or 6 albums I could have bought 4 years ago, no
problem, if i would have known they existed. (and they ALWAYS are missing
something) Special orders never come in, the guy who does the imports is always
on vacation, and no one seems to give a damn. Even TD fan sites are incomplete
resources. Letters to record companies go unanswered or replies are pathetic
(sonic images being the exception), 'who cares what we released 10 years ago?'.
From reading your comments about 'THE KEEP' it sounds like even TD is being
uncooperative. I don't know what you have discussed in previous digests about
this, but it seems like we should unite and try to pull together a COMPLE!
!
TE discography of TD and all solo artists. (I bet I can add at least a couple
titles to any that you have) There is probably no worse band in the world to
try and do this for. Who else releases more obscure
singles,soundtracks,special printings,imports than TD? I think we should try
and trackdown every project they have worked on even if there has not been a
disc released yet. I don't know how many times I have bumped into a soundtrack
by accident. I can't spend my whole life sifting aimlessly through the
soundtracks section. (has anyone heard of the movie RED HEAT?, not the one with
Arnold Schwarzenegger, I have seen it on TV twice and in the beginning it says
music by Tangerine Dream and it sure sounds like it (should be mid 80's)) And
don't tell me that an online CD store is going to be much better. They are NOT
completely crossreferenced between artists and soundtracks, TRUST ME. I want
all compilations on the list too-just because. (maybe I am anal too, but I can
r!
!
elate to Steven's quest for THE KEEP, I have the Jerry Goldsmith score for
Legend, I bought Transformation of Mind and I HATE Deepak 'and as your mind
drifts aimlessly pay no attention to my hand in your wallet' but that is not
THE POINT) I have 175 CD's and Video's of T, solo efforts & remasters (only 2
boots- Antarktis & In Den Garten Pharos/Bicycle Race) and I have about 40-50
more on my list that are still out there. Lets pool our resources and find out
what we should be looking for and all help eachother (hello overseas fans).
Maybe I am way off base, but isn't that what we are here for? My address for
all hate-mail is joelm@t... Feel free to e-me your Discography. Please
keep all replies as long winded as possible.
thanks for sharing, Joel
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> I don't know what you have discussed in previous digests
about this, but it seems like we should >unite and try to pull together
a COMPLETE discography of TD and all solo artists. (I bet I can add >at
least a couple titles to any that you have) There is probably no worse
band in the world to try
Been there, done that. I wrote a book about TD called
_Mysterious Semblance_ that covers all their studio, live, ST, single,
compilation and boot releases, plus all the concerts, lineup changes and
everythhing else you can think of. Let me know if you're interested in a
copy.
Scott
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Subject: TD in techno tracks..
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Really-From: Tony Marshall
Hi,
Does anyone know of any techno/trance tracks which sample TD?
The reason I ask is because I stumbled across one the other day. It's
called 'Dominion' and is by 'Logo'. As you may guess, it's based
on Logos, and pretty good it is too, certainly better than anything
on Dream Mixes IMHO. I remember saying ages ago that I wish some of
today's best dance acts would remix classic TD, maybe they've already
started!
If you want to listen, I've put the .mp3 on my website
http://www.zigzag.u-net.com/td.htm
Tony.
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Wed, 6 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Tony Marshall
>
>
> Hi,
> Does anyone know of any techno/trance tracks which sample TD?
>
> The reason I ask is because I stumbled across one the other day. It's
> called 'Dominion' and is by 'Logo'. As you may guess, it's based
It's not actually based on the TD piece of the same name, is it?
> on Logos, and pretty good it is too, certainly better than anything
> on Dream Mixes IMHO.
No comment there...
> I remember saying ages ago that I wish some of
> today's best dance acts would remix classic TD, maybe they've already
> started!
Well, there is this thing I stumbled across years ago as a college DJ,
can't remember the track title, but I remember the artist was 'NUT-E1'.
It contained what I will swear, to this day, was a looped sample from
'Trap Feeling'.
> If you want to listen, I've put the .mp3 on my website
>
> http://www.zigzag.u-net.com/td.htm
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Hi,
I'm looking at the video stream from the LUMINOUS VISIONS rave but
don't know how to get into the chat part of it. Anyone know?
-- Steven Feldman
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>> ... HREF='http://www.bluefront.com/just4fun/greetings.htm'>Greetings
>>
>> http://www.bluefront.com/just4fun/greetings.htm
>>
>>
>> CLICK ON THIS AND BE SURE TO READ EACH BOX AS U
>> GO.....VERY......VERY.....FUNNY!! >>
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Really-From: ami.hassinen@e... (Hassinen Ami)
Swoosshhh...
If you have the 'Tales of Ephidrina' by the group Amorphus Androgynus
(well...it is FSOL really), you´ll be able to hear a plenty of TD sounds
there. Especially from Phaedra and Force Majeure...
Cheers,
Ami
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Subject: Froese interviews about Mellotron
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I've digitised the interviews Edgar gave about the Mellotron from
the BBC Radio 2 show on the beast. You can find them at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/9240/download.ht ml
They are in MPEG3, 22.05kHz, stereo format.
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Subject: Re: Orson Welles
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Really-From: Colin Knowles
> Really-From: DAVENTURA
>
> Colin writes:
> > 'Music when coupled to an intriguing idea becomes poetry,
> > Music, without an intriguing idea is simply music.
> > Without music or an intriguing idea, colour becomes palor,
> > Home becomes catacomb,
> > And the dead.. are but for a moment.. motionless...'
> > -- O.
> Wells
> > (from APP's 'House of Usher')
> >
> Hey, great quote from 'Tales of Mystery and Imagination', but it should be
> attributed to Edgar Allen Poe. Orson Welles was the narrator, not the
> writer....David
True! Also the above is actually a mis-quote, serves me right for trying to type
it from memory.
I checked last night and it is actually (still not too sure about the fisrt
line!):
'Music, when combined with an interesting idea is poetry,
Music, without the idea is simply music.
Without music or an intriguing idea, colour becomes palor,
Man becomes carcass,
Home becomes catacomb,
And the dead.. are but for a moment.. motionless' - E. A. Poe
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Really-From: Michael Kepler
<< Really-From: Michael Kepler >>
I could be wrong, but I seldom think so.
of course u dont think u are wrong.. who walks around thinking they are
wrong about things?? i personally dont know anyone who does..
also.. how often u think u are wrong.. has little to do with how often u are..
or whether or not u are wrong... only that u dont think it very often..
but then if u did.. u wouldnt have spoken in the first place now would u?
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
Another TD sample (from Poland) is in the song 'Johnny Favourite' by David
Holmes. It's not really techno though.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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Subject: Kaliedescope--TD
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Found this on a webpage...interesting.
Mike
>KALEIDOSCOPE-'TANGERINE DREAM + 6' 441822 $20.00 The first official
release of this rare
1967 album by the psychedelic pop act. Features all of the original cuts
and six bonus tracks: 'Flight
From Ashiya' (Mono Single Version), 'Holiday Maker' (Mono Single Mix), 'A
Dream For Julie',
'Please Excuse My Face' (Mono Single Mix), 'Jenny Artichoke' and 'Just How
Much You Are'. 17
tracks total. Comes pressed on a colorful picture disc.
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Subject: PC PG S + J&P
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I never noticed Sting did backing vocals in *Long long way to go* (Phil
Collins, No Jacquet Required)
I checked in the booklet
He did
Peter Gabriel was also involved in *Take me home*
I know : I'm mad
I also must give an aswer to 'Transformation of Mind' : is there music in
it? I'll answer ASA I put the disc in the juke box again.
BTW, I put off all Jim & Pablo voices in the Meteor ; it remains approx 9
min of music.
Fred
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Subject: Shepherds Bush 1996
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Quickie- why did Edgar decide to play a one-off in London in Nov 96 ? I
was there and it was a great concert, but I never discovered why they
did it ? Was it to trial Goblins Club ? I think not. Suggestions ?
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seems to me they were just testing the waters to see if there was still
enough interest for a tour...
and I guess there was...
Gabe
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At 04:17 PM 5/7/1998, you wrote:
>Really-From: Michael Fox
>
>
>Found this on a webpage...interesting.
>Mike
>
>>KALEIDOSCOPE-'TANGERINE DREAM + 6' 441822 $20.00 The first official
>release of this rare
>1967 album by the psychedelic pop act. Features all of the original cuts
>and six bonus tracks: 'Flight
>>From Ashiya' (Mono Single Version), 'Holiday Maker' (Mono Single Mix), 'A
>Dream For Julie',
>'Please Excuse My Face' (Mono Single Mix), 'Jenny Artichoke' and 'Just How
>Much You Are'. 17
>tracks total. Comes pressed on a colorful picture disc.
>
Yeah, I saw this too (or at least the CD version), in the Virgin Megastore
in Hollywood just last week. Filed with the Dream stuff, of course. This
must have been re-released.
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
I think 'Dream Mixes' is great compared to current techno..
Browsing the crop of techno creates the most confusion of
anything.. no categories/composers, titles full of 'file under
Electronica', DJ Fat Albert Slim Jim's 23rd release of the
'Greatest and Hottest Dance Mixes of the 20th Century'
cr@p... and of course, the not so wonderful lyrics containing
sexual hysteria and flabber dabber dialect.
Not my thing.
I'm sure there is probably some techno out there as good or better
than 'Dream Mixes', but it's really difficult to find the good ones
from the mass of bad.
Sampleing from TD? How about Pink Floyd's 'Time' being sampled
on 'Expander' from the album 'Accelerator?' Can't miss those drums
from anywhere.
Greg H.
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Date: Fri May 8, 1998 9:28
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Subject: TD to look for in London?
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I was curious what Tangerine Dream (or solo) I should look for, as I'll be
in London on Tuesday. I'd rather things that are hard to get in the US
where I live. Please make suggestions. Thanks.
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Subject: Re: Kaleidoscope
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Michael Fox wrote:
>KALEIDOSCOPE-'TANGERINE DREAM + 6' 441822 $20.00 The first official
release of this rare 1967 album by the psychedelic pop act. Features all of
the original cuts and six bonus tracks: 'Flight From Ashiya' (Mono Single
Version), 'Holiday Maker' (Mono Single Mix), 'A Dream For Julie',
'Please Excuse My Face' (Mono Single Mix), 'Jenny Artichoke' and 'Just How
Much You Are'. 17 tracks total. Comes pressed on a colorful picture disc.
I saw this at local CD shop for $22 and wanted to get an opinion form the
list before picking it up. Is this legit? The pictures of the front were
faces I didn't recognize, perhaps Edgar's only. They looked like kids. Can
anyone shed some light on this release?
Bill
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
Speaking of techno, there was a story on PRI the other day about a new
trend in Eastern Europe of playing Communist songs to a techno beat. The
one they played was from Hungary, I think, but the song I immediately
recognized. It must be the most famous of all Communist songs. It was
really cool, though, and I don't like techno much. Anyone know about it?
Maybe I'll hum the tune and make a sound file of it for anyone who wants
to track it down.
Scott
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Subject: TD Homepage Gripe and Schulze 'Goes Classic' inlay
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Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad'
Is it just me or does it seem like an age since the TD homepage has been
updated, or Jerome's and the TDI sub-pages for that matter. Pity the
webmaster doesn't reply to the guestbook more too.
Q: Does anyone out there with Klaus Schulze's 'Goes Classic' have
access to a colour photocopier? If so would you be willing to make me a
copy? I'd very much appreciate it if someone could. Will reciprocate
in whetever way I can! I recently bought the cd second hand and
coverless :-) and :-(
Please email me privately if you can help.
Regards,
Conrad Gibbons (e-mail: conrad.gibbons@l...)
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Subject: Off-topic request
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Really-From: Ian Shillingford
Dear fellows ,
I've had an audio tape recording of two pieces of e-music from a TV test
pattern here in Australia from ... oooh.... way back in the late 70's I
think.
Anyway, until now I've had no idea how to found out what they are and who
they're by.
Now, if any of you kind souls would visit
ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/eons
you hear a bit of each, and if you know them, please let me know!
I'd appreciate if this could be sent to the gold-tri maillist.
Unfortunately, neither are by TD (back on topic )
Ian Shillingford
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Subject: Re: Kaleidoscope
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Really-From: Vincent Goudreault
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Bill Lantz
>
> Michael Fox wrote:
>
> >KALEIDOSCOPE-'TANGERINE DREAM + 6' 441822 $20.00 The first official
> release of this rare 1967 album by the psychedelic pop act. Features all of
> the original cuts and six bonus tracks: 'Flight From Ashiya' (Mono Single
> Version), 'Holiday Maker' (Mono Single Mix), 'A Dream For Julie',
> 'Please Excuse My Face' (Mono Single Mix), 'Jenny Artichoke' and 'Just How
> Much You Are'. 17 tracks total. Comes pressed on a colorful picture disc.
>
> I saw this at local CD shop for $22 and wanted to get an opinion form the
> list before picking it up. Is this legit? The pictures of the front were
> faces I didn't recognize, perhaps Edgar's only. They looked like kids. Can
> anyone shed some light on this release?
>
> Bill
This is *NOT* a Tangerine Dream album. The band name was Kaleidoscope,
and the *album* title is 'Tangerine Dream'. You don't recognize anyone
in the sleeve picture because there is no one that you should recognize!
Back in 1967, Tangerine Dream (the band) didn't exist yet under that
name.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957
online since early 1993, TD fan since 1977
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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Subject: Re: Kaleidoscope
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>Really-From: Bill Lantz
>>KALEIDOSCOPE-'TANGERINE DREAM + 6' 441822 $20.00 The first official
>
>I saw this at local CD shop for $22 and wanted to get an opinion form the
>list before picking it up. Is this legit? The pictures of the front were
>faces I didn't recognize, perhaps Edgar's only. They looked like kids. Can
>anyone shed some light on this release?
AFAIK it´s a legit release from a *BAND* called Kaleidoscope.
Edgar Froese was never a member of Kaleidoscope, btw.
Hope this helps
Jens
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Subject: RE: Kaleidoscope
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>Back in 1967, Tangerine Dream (the band) didn't exist yet under
that
>name.
Au contraire! TD, with that name, formed in September 1967. Of
course, if you had my book you would know that. :-)
Scott
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Subject: Moot point and arguing over petty details...
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Really-From: Vincent Goudreault
tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> >Back in 1967, Tangerine Dream (the band) didn't exist yet under
> that
> >name.
>
> Au contraire! TD, with that name, formed in September 1967. Of
> course, if you had my book you would know that. :-)
>
> Scott
Picky picky PICKY! They didn't have an album out under that name,
so no one would have known about them...
Besides, in 1967, they didn't exist under the name Tangerine Dream
*until* September, which leaves 75% of that year without them.
C.B.V.Goudreault
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Subject: Sheperds Bush 1996 and dream Roots5
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>Really-From: Steve Jenkins
>Quickie- why did Edgar decide to play a one-off in London in Nov
>96 ? I was there and it was a great concert, but I never
>discovered why they did it ? Was it to trial Goblins Club ?
> I think not. Suggestions ?
It was put on the official home page after the concert that Edgar
and Jerome had decided to change direction and the 96 Sheperds
Bush gig was really a farewell concert (to the old line-up). At that
time they were not planning a tour. At least the home page
message urged everyone to attend that gig because 'there will be
no tour'.
Maybe the idea of a drummer + Zlatko addition came in the
meantime and they changed their minds about the tour
supported by the success of that SB gig (I was there too).
I was going to comment the Dream Roots CD5 message earlier but
somehow I did not get to it. I do not thing that it is Edgar's
conspiracy. You can feel Franke's impact very well listening to
Valley of the Sun and Vanishing Blue and even Red Morpho. The
tracks may have been TANGENTISED but otherwise I think is was
really composed in the given era (1985-86)
We will have more guessing to do when those retrospective
releases come to light.
Dream on...
Paul
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Fellows,
please excuse the blasphemy of actually posting something
on-topic ;-)
I just received a letter advertising a professionally bound,
CD-size book of all the printed material in the Risky Business
Audio Movie Kit plus two CDs exactly reproducing the orignal LPs.
Edition is said to be 300 numbered copies at US$ 135.- (ouch)
inc. air mail postage from Burping Cow Productions (remember
70/90 and Prayer of quiet Dreams ?).
I expect these to go quickly, especially if they were advertised
among the collectors of other artists/film fans as well.
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It's to coincidental that Edgar came up with TD when the other group just
happened to come out with the same name? Come on! Let's use our heads. The
words Tangerine Dream was never even used in the same breath by anybody
before 1967. Now all of a sudden it's used twice in 1967? Edgar definetly got
the name from this. Although I wonder if he would ever admit it. Tom
In a message dated 98-05-08 11:41:11 EDT, you write:
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> >Back in 1967, Tangerine Dream (the band) didn't exist yet under
> that
> >name.
>
> Au contraire! TD, with that name, formed in September 1967. Of
> course, if you had my book you would know that. :-)
>
> Scott
>>
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I'm currently compiling a bibliography of articles & reviews on TD and
their member. If anyone has any articles, or could check the indexes of
their local papers or national magazines, I'd really appreciate it. I
don't the actual article, just the bibliographic information, so please
just send me the following information on the articles:
Author, article title, periodical title, date, pages article appears on.
I have the 1996 articles from Keyboard, plus all the articles from the
New York Times and Cleveland Plain Dealer, so don't bother with those. I
also have articles from Melody Maker back to about 1990. If you're
unsure whether or not I have it, send it anyway. I especially would like
articles from local newspapers and anything from the '70s and early
'80s. I plan on putting the bibliography on my web page when it's done.
Thanks a lot.
Scott
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>I was curious what Tangerine Dream (or solo) I should look for, as I'll be
>in London on Tuesday. I'd rather things that are hard to get in the US
>where I live. Please make suggestions. Thanks.
The sound tracks to Sorcerer and Heartbreakers. I can't find them anywhere.
Are they out of print (or never went).
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Hello,
I just got a copy of the latest Klaus Schulze Circle and Mr.
Mueller says in the publication that Beyond the Horizon has called it
quits. What a shame! I thought it was a great e-music magazine! He
says Horizon Music is going to concentrate on there CD-mail order
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>
>>I was curious what Tangerine Dream (or solo) I should look for, as I'll be
>>in London on Tuesday. I'd rather things that are hard to get in the US
>>where I live. Please make suggestions. Thanks.
>
>The sound tracks to Sorcerer and Heartbreakers. I can't find them
anywhere. Are they out of print (or never went).
>
>
I haven't been able to find the SBM edition of 'Thief'.
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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>Really-From: TWeibre361
>
>
>In a message dated 98-05-05 15:10:28 EDT, you write:
>
>
>but i still dont get the gist here...is it one of those recordings where
the
>music is muted in the background and the spoken word is way up front, or
the
>music is the important part with some whispered philosophical ramblings?
these are not whispers; he speaks clearly, breaking the music, this is sure.
Note that there are means to cut off the voice nowadays... does anybody have
this (technical) means?
>does
>one buy this disc for the music or the enlightenment? and please dont say
>both...
>
Personnaly, I've bought the CD for I am a collector...
>tom w
>
>np: talk talk = asides+besides
>
np : lightwave - modular experiment
Fred
PS : I've cut off the words as I did with J&P. There are much more music
than words on the contrary of J & P. For instance, the first track still
contains 3:02 of music upon a initial timing of 4:34. I'll do other tracks
later and tell you the statistics!
Ps 2 : I think this cd is more (much more) a pub for DC's books than for CF
musical work (IMHO)
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>Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
>I think 'Dream Mixes' is great compared to current techno..
That depends on your experiences/knowledge.
>I'm sure there is probably some techno out there as good or better
>than 'Dream Mixes', but it's really difficult to find the good ones
>from the mass of bad.
Quite, it´s difficult but it´s worth the time to find the better stuff, IMHO.
Try the Intelligent Techno/IDM substyle: Eat Static, Banco di Gaia,
Link (the guys of Global Communications) as starters.
Mind~Flux (everything, 'Konception of space' as starter, Paul Van Dyk (7 ways)
and Sven Vaeth
('The harlequin..') are offering an interesting hybrid of Electronic Music and
Techno.
'The essential mix show' (mixed by SNAP!) is one of my favourite samplers
including finitribe and leftfield. One of the tracks includes a TD sample as
well
(taken from Poland , bits of the spoken Polish introduction), another track
is an exciting remix of Pete Namlook´s/Klaus Schulze´s DSOTM III part V.
'The essential mix show' was broadcasted on BBC´s radio 1, btw.
Although I like DMI and II the mentioned artists do it better (IMO, you know?).
Kind Regards
Jens
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>Really-From: martyn@i... (Capel Martyn)
> I just got a copy of the latest Klaus Schulze Circle and Mr.
>Mueller says in the publication that Beyond the Horizon has called it
>quits. What a shame! I thought it was a great e-music magazine! He
>says Horizon Music is going to concentrate on there CD-mail order
>business. He wrote BTH with a 3 page letter telling them what will be
>lost if they follow through on this decision. He thinks it inevitable
>that they will follow through on there decision.
Well, I was keeping quiet about this, but I guess the 'cat is out of the
bag'. There will be one last issue (I think) or maybe a newsletter
explaining the situation. From then on I hear that there will be a short
newsletter that will focus on the products/artists of Horizon Music. I
regret this decision too, but at least there will be no more controversy
when each issue comes out (and I'll miss that also). Another regret is the
KS Circle. I hope that this information will still be available to us
without paying some large subscription fee.
And speaking of fees... What's SMD (Synth Music Direct) charging these days
for a subscription? Around 20 pounds + an 8 CD yearly purchase? Seems kind
of high since I'm sure they're selling more music than ever before. But
then again, no one said that enjoying and collecting electronic music was
going to be cheap ;-)
Vic
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> Really-From: Klaus Beschorner
>
>
> Edition is said to be 300 numbered copies at US$ 135.- (ouch)
> inc. air mail postage from Burping Cow Productions (remember
> 70/90 and Prayer of quiet Dreams ?).
Ugh...oh do I! If it's anywhere near as bad as PFQD then I'd avoid this
boot like Celine Dion's new album! My advice to all who wonder...stay
away from cows that burp.
Dano
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In a message dated 98-05-08 09:37:08 EDT, you write:
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I was curious what Tangerine Dream (or solo) I should look for, as I'll be
in London on Tuesday. I'd rather things that are hard to get in the US
where I live. Please make suggestions. Thanks.
>>
I would suggest you look for Thief. It's pretty impossible to find in the
States, but may still be available in Europe. And, trust me, this is one album
you definitely want in your collection. Dell
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In a message dated 98-05-08 17:21:47 EDT, you write:Scott Holmes:
<<
The sound tracks to Sorcerer and Heartbreakers. I can't find them anywhere.
Are they out of print (or never went).
>>
I found these at Barnes and Noble here in the States. They have just
about everything TD in stock, or they can order it from one of their other
stores. A little on the high side for cost though. Tip: you have to look in
their Soundtracks section. Dell
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In a message dated 98-05-08 17:22:12 EDT, you write:
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Hello,
I just got a copy of the latest Klaus Schulze Circle and Mr.
Mueller says in the publication that Beyond the Horizon has called it
quits. >>
Oh, terrific. They still owe me one more magazine. 8-( Well, you could
almost see the writing on the wall. Postponed publications and late deliveries
and an all out war with the number one electronic group ever IMO was bound to
take its toll. Dell
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Fall of Night
Interludes and Examinations
Into the Fire
No Surrender No Retreat
Face of The Enemy
The Ragged Edge
10.98 each
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Really-From: Ken Beal
As I feel there is mo betta music out there, the following just gotta go...
Christopher Franke...
Techni the Movie................$9.00
Babylon 5 Episodic CDs.......$8.00 each
Z'Ha Dum
Shadow Dancing
Walkabout
A Late Delivery From Avalon
Severed Dreams
Paul Haslinger
Future Primitive................$9.00
World Without Rules...........$9.00
Absolutely pristine condition. Will consider trades for Steve Jolliffe CDs
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Thanks for looking,
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F.Y.I-
CDnow has them for $9.98 but the only way to find them is to search under
'soundtracks''babylon 5' they
are not cross referenced to Christopher Franke. Shipping is a buck less than
Sonic Images direct. CD world has
them too, but they are even more expensive than Sonic Images.
Joel
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>Fall of Night
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>10.98 each
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Hi all,
I was telling a relative the other day that I had joined the tadream
mailing list when he reminded me of a story he had told me a few years
ago. In the 70's he was in the 'music business' (he had a rehearsal
studio and was Johny Rotten's minder!) and knew a lot of people. He had
contacts in Virgin in those days and told me about the less than
welcoming reception that TD recieved when the went to record at the
Manor. Their rather unusual methods and music apparently went down
rather badly with the recording studio staff, who constantly took the
p@##. They would connect crocodile clips to their cloths overnight (boy
what a laugh they must have been) and generally give them a hard time
about being Germans.
This is consistent with something that has bugged me for a long time,
and sorry if it has come up before, but the sleeve notes for rubycon
(and to a lesser extent Phaedra) strike me as odd. In rubycon the boys
give: 'special thanks to the helpful ladies at the manor...' This is
just my impression - no insults intended! - but the technical side of
music production is male dominated, and I suspect it was almost
exclusively male in the 70's. So who were the helpful ladies? 'Ladies
of Negotiable Affection'? Tea-ladies? A mis-print of 'laddies'. No. I
propose that Edgar et al were cheesed off with the antics that went on
and produced this sarcastic thank you note. Ah, the renowned Germanic
sense of humour. And boy they can still pull out a few rib-ticklers 20
years later.
Cheers,
Daniel
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If BTH is ending, what's going to happen to everyone (including myself)
that ordered a copy of Infinite Horizons? Are we still going to get them?
Well, I guess it would be a good idea to subscribe to the Dream Collector
now...
Dave B. (in the middle of my final final exams! :-) )
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My first experience of the power of the Internet was when a friend asked
me what I would like to see there. I, of course, chose Tangerine Dream. He
then found and printed your discography for me which I have cherished ever
since. Now, I have a friend in Australia that would also like to see it and I
cannot find it anywhere. Is it still on the Internet? and if so, would you
please email the address to me so I can forward it on to him? Thank you ever
so much. Dell: (email address is: aoutland@a...)
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Hi
Anybody knows what the intro to 'Nursery Rhyme' on the Schmoelling CD 'Songs
No Words' says? Is this talked about before. That must be German, and the
only words I could understand were 'Hallo papa' and 'Bis dann tschuess'.
BTW, this is a lovely track. The organ resembles that on Procol Harum's 'A
Whiter Shade Of Pale'.
Jeffrey
ICQ no. 9326338
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You can find them at:
ftp://mirrors.aol.com/pub/music/artists/t/tangerine.dream/
I just checked them and they are still there.
THE HIGHLANDER
>Really-From: AOutland
>
>
> My first experience of the power of the Internet was when a friend asked
>me what I would like to see there. I, of course, chose Tangerine Dream. He
>then found and printed your discography for me which I have cherished ever
>since. Now, I have a friend in Australia that would also like to see it and I
>cannot find it anywhere. Is it still on the Internet? and if so, would you
>please email the address to me so I can forward it on to him? Thank you ever
>so much. Dell: (email address is: aoutland@a...)
>
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
>
>Anybody knows what the intro to 'Nursery Rhyme' on the Schmoelling CD
'Songs
>No Words' says? Is this talked about before. That must be German, and the
>only words I could understand were 'Hallo papa' and 'Bis dann tschuess'.
>BTW, this is a lovely track. The organ resembles that on Procol Harum's 'A
>Whiter Shade Of Pale'.
His son says: Hello daddy, don't you forget to take the record from Phil
Collins
with you. See you.
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
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Subject: tape tree #5, call for participation
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
Dreamers
Tape tree #5 is now being organized! the tape list is attached below.
As always, all levels of participation are welcome, even if you have
nothing to
trade.
If you want to participate, please contact tom w. with
the following info:
1) name
2) e-mail address
3) your geographical location (city, state, country -- for organizational
purposes)
4) at what level you want to participate (eg source, digital branch, analog
branch, leaf) what resources you have (eg: a cdr burner--if so, can you do
analog->digital?; DAT cloning; analog dubbing deck or 2 MC decks; or only
digital->analog [ie: CD to MC])
5) can you provide masters, lo-gen tapes, CD/R boots, etc for this tree?
you will need to either provide trade material to your source or will need
to provide sufficient blank tape and an SASE for return of the tapes.
Branch-branch deals should use priority mail postage.
------------------------------------------------------------
Abbreviations and Format:
Month.Day.Year City (Venue) Time (Medium of original source)
Original sources: Au = audience; SB = soundboard; FM, TV = broadcast; Vid.
= Video;
Media (self-explanatory?): MC = cassette tape; LP -= vinyl; CD; CDR; Vid =
video; LD (laser disc)
------------------------------------------------------------
tree 5: (3c90s + 2c100s)
--> c90#1
3.31.77 Detroit (Ford Auditorium) 103 min. (Au) MC
PLUS:
--> c100#1
4.4.77 Washington DC (Lisner Auditorium / WGTB-FM)
110 min. 1st gen. (FM) MC
PLUS:
--> c90#2
4.10.77 Montreal (Place des Arts & CHOM-FM) 109 min. (FM) MC
--> c100#2
part 2s from each of the above 3 shows plus:
70-80 box set solo tracks (18 min); 70-80 Encore remixes from 70-80;
Monolight / Hobo March (7' versions) (22 min); .77 OST: Pauline et
L'Ordinateur 10 min. (Vid) MC
PLUS:
--> c90#3
7.12.77 Los Angeles (Greek Theatre) 91 min. (Au) MC
(NB: for those of you following the program, .84: OST:Vision Quest has been
bumped to tree #7)
...
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Really-From: TWeibre361
In a message dated 98-05-10 07:49:35 EDT, you write:
<< Tape tree #5 is now being organized! the tape list is attached below.
As always, all levels of participation are welcome, even if you have
nothing to
trade.
If you want to participate, please contact tom w. with
the following info:
>>
quick clarification: if you are currently participating in the trees and are
content where you are, please do NOT contact me...you will be signed up
automatically...if you are a new participant, or you want OFF the tree, then
you should get in touch...also, if anyone has had any significant 'bad'
experiences, please let me know...
start your decks, tom w
np: reggae schoolroom
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Subject: Re: Beyond The Horizon, calling it quits?
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> If BTH is ending, what's going to happen to everyone (including myself)
> that ordered a copy of Infinite Horizons? Are we still going to get them?
>
Hello all,
Rest assured, all of you who ordered Infinite Horizons will get them.
I'm awaiting an official response from Mr. Lawless to post to the
list, so don't believe the hype 'til you hear it from me.
-B. Kirby
'Writers are monkeys who mean' - David Foster Wallace
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Subject: Re: TD in techno tracks..
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>Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>'The essential mix show' (mixed by SNAP!) is one of my favourite
>samplers including finitribe and leftfield.
Yes, that mix is amazing, and I recommend it to anyone who
likes TD! I believe it was released commercially, but I can't find
it..
>Although I like DMI and II the mentioned artists do it better (IMO, you =
>know?).
>
Loads of artists to it better. I've more or less stopped buying
'electronic' music as just about everything that's described as
being like as good as TD or Schulze isn't. At least a fair portion
of 'techno' does it for me..(I love the analogue synths they use)
It's a shame almost all techno (or ambient/trance/hardcore/uplifting house
etc)
doesn't make it over to the States, as a lot of it ought to appeal to
mid-period TD fans.
Tony.
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Subject: I'm gone
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Hi people,
I'll be unsubbing from the list for a while, so if anyone needs me, send
mail to my personal e-mail address,
Wave ~~~
~Tom
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Subject: Re: Sound & vision of Hyperborea
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In a message dated 98-04-30 01:55:17 EDT, you write:
<< you might envision a small part of what I see.
Greg H
>>
Indeed I have. Allow me to add to your beautiful description. Hyperborea
means 'of the far North'. It came to mean to those who live in frozen desolate
lands a place where all would be warm, comfortable, pleasant; in short,
paradise. Our traveller has decided to set out to seek this place knowing that
if he can just keep going, keep going he'll find it; just keep going. And he
does find it. As he sinks into the snow and begins to fall asleep he feels the
warmth of nature's blanket covering him. His mind envisions warm fires, soft
furs about his feet, wife and children holding him close. Too late he realizes
paradise is what he left behind. Dell
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Subject: FS: Prayer of Burping Cows
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Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
I have an original Prayer for Quiet Dreams CD for sale if anyone wants
it. If you are inside the US I'm asking $20 postpaid. Email me if you
care,
Dano
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Subject: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You
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Really-From: JMPoer
Can someone tell me something about this ST?
I've never actually seen it, heard of the film or whatever its from, and
until recently, never heard of it.
If this is one of those subjects that everyone has grown weary of
discussing, could someone e-mail me off list.
Thanks.
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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Subject: goldtri mailist
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can someone explain what the goldtri mail list is please, and whether its
worth subscribing to,what music is on the disscussion list and how do i
subscribe to it.
nick
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Subject: Re: TD to look for in London?
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Really-From: Geir Smedsrud
At 17:27 08.05.98 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Scott L. Holmes'
>
>
>>I was curious what Tangerine Dream (or solo) I should look for, as I'll be
>>in London on Tuesday. I'd rather things that are hard to get in the US
>>where I live. Please make suggestions. Thanks.
>
>The sound tracks to Sorcerer and Heartbreakers. I can't find them
anywhere. Are they out of print (or never went).
>
Just got Sorcerer last week in fact, and at nice price too :-), app. 16 USD.
As I understood from some adds that were packaged with the CD, it was a
reissue
so I really do not believe it is out of print. (Do not have the details
with me)
Best regards;
Geir
Mr Geir Smedsrud Phone :74 14 83 53
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Subject: sedate
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Things here have been rather sedate lately...Is all the interesting stuff
appearing in the IRC chat or are things just slow?
MJ
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> Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
> Things here have been rather sedate lately...Is all the interesting stuff
> appearing in the IRC chat or are things just slow?
Things are kinda dead, man, kinda dead! F-a-d-i-n-ggggggggggggggg...
E-Man
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> can someone explain what the goldtri mail list is please, and whether its
> worth subscribing to
Ask Dano about it. ;-)
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
> Can someone tell me something about this ST?
>
> I've never actually seen it, heard of the film or whatever its from, and
> until recently, never heard of it.
It's a song that TD composed for the soundtrack of a German TV show called
'Tatort', which features the vocals of Ms. Chi Coltrane. The only
place you're likely to find a copy of the song is on the recently released
pirate recording 'Electronic Orgy'.
Having said that...while I think that vocals can definitely work with TD
music if done in a certain manner (Kiew Mission comes to mind)...this is
not an example of it.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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Really-From: 'Joerg Menker'
On 10 May 98 at 23:29, tadream mailing list wrote:
[...]
> ---------- Really-From: JMPoer
>
>
> Can someone tell me something about this ST?
>
> I've never actually seen it, heard of the film or whatever its from,
> and until recently, never heard of it.
>
[...]
It's a ST fo the German TV crime series 'Tatort' (just like 'Das
Maedchen auf der Treppe' etc). The singer ist Chi Coltrane. As far as
I remember there a two other tracks on the CD (one being the
instrumental version of 'I just ...'.
Joerg
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> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
> ...
> It's a song that TD composed for the soundtrack of a German TV show called
> 'Tatort', which features the vocals of Ms. Chi Coltrane. The only
> place you're likely to find a copy of the song is on the recently released
> pirate recording 'Electronic Orgy'.
>
It also appears on the Mystery Tracks bootleg CD.
-Alvaro
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>It's a song that TD composed for the soundtrack of a German TV
show called
>'Tatort', which features the vocals of Ms. Chi Coltrane. The
only
>place you're likely to find a copy of the song is on the
recently released
>pirate recording 'Electronic Orgy'.
>Having said that...while I think that vocals can definitely
work with TD
>music if done in a certain manner (Kiew Mission comes to
mind)...this is
>not an example of it.
That's putting it mildly. This song is awful! It makes a nice
collectible, though. It came out on 7 inch vinyl.
Scott
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At 01:28 PM 5/11/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
> >It's a song that TD composed for the soundtrack of a German TV
>show called
> >'Tatort', which features the vocals of Ms. Chi Coltrane. The
>only
> >place you're likely to find a copy of the song is on the
>recently released
> >pirate recording 'Electronic Orgy'.
>
> >Having said that...while I think that vocals can definitely
>work with TD
> >music if done in a certain manner (Kiew Mission comes to
>mind)...this is
> >not an example of it.
>
> That's putting it mildly. This song is awful! It makes a nice
>collectible, though. It came out on 7 inch vinyl.
>
> Scott
>
>
Thanks to all of you who replied, don't know how I missed that one...since
everyone else seems to know about it., but, now I do too.
Thanks again.
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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Date: Mon May 11, 1998 5:45
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Subject: TD Videos + strk cassettes
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Really-From: Vic Rek
This may be old news, but I just came across the US Miramar release of
the 'Oasis' video (diff. cover than Camera One release) and the North
American VHS release of 'Video Dream Mixes'.
Also, does anyone need the original cassettes of 'Vision Quest' and 'The
Wraith' credited to T. Dream and M. Hoenig, respectively, but dosen't
feature their music? I need the original CDs ;-) Contact me off list if
interested.
Vic
NP: Peter Baumann - Strangers in the Night
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>Thanks to all of you who replied, don't know how I missed that
one...since
>everyone else seems to know about it., but, now I do too.
If you had my book, you'd know! :-)
Scott
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Date: Mon May 11, 1998 7:07
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Subject: RE: I Just Want To Rule My Own Life Without You
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At 02:59 PM 5/11/1998 -0400, you wrote:
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>
> >Thanks to all of you who replied, don't know how I missed that
>one...since
> >everyone else seems to know about it., but, now I do too.
>
> If you had my book, you'd know! :-)
>
>
> Scott
Book! BOOK! Book??!!
You have a BOOK?
Silly me. <:-])
(to save future embarrassment....please e-mail me the details off list)
jp
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Date: Mon May 11, 1998 7:16
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Subject: Re: sedate
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At 08:53 AM 5/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: Michael A Jean
>
>Things here have been rather sedate lately...Is all the interesting stuff
>appearing in the IRC chat or are things just slow?
Haha. Actually, it would be nice to organize a time that we can meet on the
IRC. The only success we've had so far have been Sunday afternoons (USA
time) when about 4 people show up and talk for a few hours.
What often happens is, one person joins, stays for 5 minutes, and leaves
because no-one else is there to talk.
I realize that Sunday afternoon would correspond with 10pm or so UK time...
Let's organize a time to talk. For anyone who does not have the necessary
software for this, check out http://mirc.stealth.net/ Download mIRC 5.31
(16 bit version for Windows 3.1 or AOL, and 32 bit version for Windows 95
users who are NOT using AOL), then unzip it into a folder on your hard
drive and run the installer.
Macintosh users, I don't have an address for you, but try www.amug.org or
www.shareware.com and search for IRCLE. This is a Macintosh IRC client.
#tadream is the name of the channel and it is located on the EFNET family
of irc servers (irc.concentric.net is a good server).
My name online is Optical1. I am always connected, but not always watching
the channels.
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: Record Meet Merchant Saw THE KEEP A Few Years Ago
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:43:02 -0700
>Subject: Re: sedate
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Elias Granillo, Jr.
>
>>Really-From: Michael A Jean
>>
>>Things here have been rather sedate lately... [. . .]
>
>Things are kinda dead, man, kinda dead! F-a-d-i-n-ggggggggggggggg...
Well, here's a little pick-me-up . . . which ought to annoy Dano
who thinks that his soundtrack collecting buddies are the last word in
soundtrack collecting. Don't blame Scott for the following. I am
re-posting it without his knowledge, blessings, and/or permission.
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
Message-ID: <6DE4CF514CABD011B68D006097806D509DCE49@w...>
From: Plumer, Scott
To: ar402004@b...
Subject: Record Roundup
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:41:01 -0400
Hey, I went to a record convention over the weekend and found. . .
another lead. I talked to a guy who had LP stoundtracks and asked him if
he had ever seen one for the Keep, and this is what he said, almost
verbatim: 'Yeah, it's out there, but good luck finding a copy. I saw one
a few years ago, guy wanted a couple hundred for it. I think only a few
ever got sold, the rest were sent back before the release date and
probably got recycled.'
Me: 'So they were pressed?'
Him: 'Yeah, but they might have been promos. That would explain why so
few are around. Even if they were sold before the release date, you'd
still see them around every once in while. If you find one, I'll buy it
from you. I'm at every Roundup, so. . .'
So, yet another lead to nowhere.
Scott
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Date: Tue May 12, 1998 1:17
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Subject: Re: FS: Prayer of Burping Cows
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Really-From: jupe
> ------------------
> Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
>
> I have an original Prayer for Quiet Dreams CD for sale if anyone wants
>
> it. If you are inside the US I'm asking $20 postpaid. Email me if you
> care,
>
> Dano
Dear Friend ,
I´m very interested in Prayer of Quiet Dreams . I
have to trade various items :
http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm
Please visit my trade page , and If you interested in a very good trade
, write me .
Regards and sorry for my english ,
Jupe
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Date: Tue May 12, 1998 1:29
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Subject: Re: FS: Prayer of Burping Cows
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Really-From: jupe
Sorry , but the first email was for Dano , but I make reply of , and
send the message to the mailing list . Sorry again.
Jupe
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Date: Tue May 12, 1998 1:41
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Subject: Source Of The Name Tangerine Dream
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Hi,
Although normally just a lurker on the list, I would like to throw out another
possible source for the name Tangerine Dream. Back in 1967 there was a band
called 'The Lemon Pipers' that had a few top 10 singles here in the usa. One
of them was a song called 'Jelly Jungle', which had a verse that went:
'In the jelly jungles of orange marmelade, there are TANGERINE DREAMS waiting
for you in orange marmelade.'
This verse is repeated throughout the song. I do not know who was first, but
I find it amazing that TD, The Lemon Pipers, and Kalidescope (3 bands from
different spots on the globe) all came up with the words 'tangerine dream' at
about the same time. I wonder if there were any other occurrences.
/Mitchell
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Subject: Re: Source Of The Name Tangerine Dream
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At 09:41 PM 5/11/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: Mitchell
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Although normally just a lurker on the list, I would like to throw out
another possible source for the name Tangerine Dream. Back in 1967 there
was a band called 'The Lemon Pipers' that had a few top 10 singles here in
the usa. One of them was a song called 'Jelly Jungle', which had a verse
that went:
>
>'In the jelly jungles of orange marmelade, there are TANGERINE DREAMS
waiting for you in orange marmelade.'
>
>This verse is repeated throughout the song. I do not know who was first,
but I find it amazing that TD, The Lemon Pipers, and Kaleidoscope (3 bands
from different spots on the globe) all came up with the words 'tangerine
dream' at about the same time. I wonder if there were any other occurrences.
>
>/Mitchell
>What If The Truth Is Not Out There...
>
Well,
The word TANGERINE is used over and over in 'Lady Greengrass'.
That's something of a reach, but there it is again.
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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>
> >Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:43:02 -0700
> >Subject: Re: sedate
> >From: tadream mailing list
> >Really-From: Elias Granillo, Jr.
> >
> >>Really-From: Michael A Jean
> >>
> >>Things here have been rather sedate lately... [. . .]
> >
> >Things are kinda dead, man, kinda dead! F-a-d-i-n-ggggggggggggggg...
>
> Well, here's a little pick-me-up . . . which ought to annoy Dano
> who thinks that his soundtrack collecting buddies are the last word in
> soundtrack collecting. Don't blame Scott for the following. I am
> re-posting it without his knowledge, blessings, and/or permission.
I'd have to care to be annoyed...and guess what....you guessed it...I
don't care. ;-)
Dano
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Produce or shut up I say! We don't need The Keep Topic to liven this list.
I prefer Dell's nice Arctic (Hyperborea) poems, I really feel much happier
then :-))
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I'm in Digest Mode these days, so apologies if this info is redundant.
>Subject: goldtri mailist
>
>Really-From: NAdams43
>
>can someone explain what the goldtri mail list is please, and whether its
>worth subscribing to,what music is on the disscussion list and how do i
>subscribe to it.
GoldTri is a mailing list for the discussion of music which falls into the
'triangle' described by Electronic, Progressive and Instrumental. That's the
'official' plan. In reality, it's a forum to discuss e-music of most forms not
covered by existing lists (tadream and space music). It's aim is to promote the
work of smaller, underground and lesser-known artists rather than concentrating
on the established artists (like TD, Schulze, Jarre, etc.)
Thus, topics include new artists (Keller and Schonwalder, Under the Dome, FSP,
Paul Lawler, etc), established 'underground' artists (Shreeve, Pickford, Boddy,
Nagle, Kees Aerts, etc.), album reviews, gig reviews, etc.
GoldTri also has a number of 'celebrity' members : Andy Pickford, Ian Boddy,
Frank Makowski, Kees Aerts, Eric Snelders, Mike Metlay etc., as well as a
number of new artists hoping/about to get into the scene : Under the Dome, FSP,
Decapolis, JoxBox, etc.
Recent topics have included 'How do you compose?', a discussion of the new crop
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Date: Tue May 12, 1998 2:43
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Subject: Jerome's radio show
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Hi!
Is there anybody inthere recorded the Jerome's radio show on February
1st (if my memory is good...) and could send me a copy please?
See ya!
:) Michaeel (:
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Subject: I bid you adieu!
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Really-From: Dave Brewer
Hi all-
Well, I'm finally graduating from AZ state U. It's about damn time!
Anyway, I'm gonna have to unsubscribe from the list for a while. This
email account will actually remain active for another year, so I can
still be reached through it. I just won't be able to check it as often as
I used to. I'll probably be moving in the next coupla months (just to
another part of town) and hopefully have my own computer (finally) and get
a new personal account set up. But until then, I'll have to rely on the
friends I've met through the list to send me reports if anything
important happens! It's been really cool meeting all the people I have on
this list, especially all the artistic souls with whom I've swapped music
with. I hope I can meet some more people from the list in person someday
as well. (Lars is the only one so far!) Well, I better go cuz it's
off-topic. See y'all around and Keep Dreaming! :-)
Dave B.
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Subject: TD in MST3K
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Really-From: PENFOLD
Bought a previously viewed copy of Mystery Science Theatre 3000: The Movie
and watched Mike, Crow & Tom yuk up the classic 'This Island Earth' and the
mention of 'nice Tangerine Dream music' had me LOLROTF that I had to back
up the tape.
Pete
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'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the
road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
-- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides
on which instruments to take on the road.
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Subject: Sending Cash in the Mail to the Other Countries
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Hi,
I've sent cash in the mail to England, the Netherlands, and Hong
Kong without having it get intercepted, but now it seems that my letter
to Canada containing a $20.00 bill still hasn't arrived after ten days.
This sucks. Whenever I mail money, I take a brand-new, i.e. entirely
flat, bill, and place it inside a piece of construction paper which I
have trimmed to almost the exact dimensions of the envelope. Why do I
use construction paper? It is entirely opaque when held up to a light.
I have no idea how someone would have been able to guess what was in
the envelope without having opened it--which means that it would most
likely have been an inside job. (Dare I make a postman joke?) :(
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> Bought a previously viewed copy of Mystery Science Theatre 3000: The
> Movie and watched Mike, Crow & Tom yuk up the classic 'This Island
> Earth' and the mention of 'nice Tangerine Dream music' had me LOLROTF
In a similar vein....I recall an episode of Saturday Night Live from the
80s that featured one of their 'fake commercials'..in this case, for a
horror film called 'The Fruiting'. People being chased around by fruit,
and being killed horribly. Anyway, at the end of the spot, a brief credit
slate was shown, and it revealed 'music by Tangerine Dream'.
Well, it was funny back in 1987 when they were scoring a dozen films a
year.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Date: Tue May 12, 1998 6:15
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Subject: Jerome's Webpage
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
Those of you with web access might want to go check out Jerome Froese's
website, which is being updated. The new 'guitar gallery' is now online,
and you can win a copy of Timesquare through the page. It's actually
quite interesting...it has RealAudio clips of the songs on which each axe
was used, and pictures of them being used on various tours.
Oh, and you can finally see a picture of his girlfriend, Anja...if you
look under her guitar, the 'Hohner Professional Strat Copy'
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Subject: Re: Sending Cash in the Mail to the Other Countries
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Really-From: Sean Montgomery
I wouldn't give up yet, Steve...I've sent money by mail between our
nations without any problems. Bear in mind that it can sometimes take
over ten days for mail between the U.S. and Canada...did you send it
Priority Post?
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
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Subject: Re: Jerome's Webpage
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Really-From: TWeibre361
In a message dated 98-05-12 14:18:08 EDT, you write:
<< Those of you with web access might want to go check out Jerome Froese's
website, which is being updated. >>
whats the address?
tom w
np: em:t 0098
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: From America to Canada
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>Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:18:54 -0700 (PDT)
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>Really-From: Sean Montgomery
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>I wouldn't give up yet, Steve...I've sent money by mail between our
>nations without any problems. Bear in mind that it can sometimes take
>over ten days for mail between the U.S. and Canada... [. . .]
I didn't know that.
>[. . .] did you send it Priority Post?
I dunno. I sent it First Class. Is that the same thing?
Obligatory TD content: what I sent money to Canada for was for CDs
of music by Tangerine Dream. (No lie; really! I actually buy CDs by
that band.)
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> whats the address?
http://www.netstore.de/~jvfields/
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Hi All,
I took a look at Jerome's website, and on the page that has a pic
of Jerome's girlfriend, Anja
there was the following block of text:
|This one belongs to my girlfriend Anja, and remembers me again
|to my old independent days with our group called 'Just in
|Case'. She did all the rhythm licks at that time, and the most
|weird thing was, that this quite cheap instrument had a really
|good sound (especially the clean settings).
The phrase 'Just in Case' was clickable, so I clicked and went to
which had this passage:
|Yeah, this was my second 'Axe' (Unfortunately i don't have a
|pic of the first one, but it was from the early 'Ibanez Roadstar
|Series').....anyway, this 'Kramer' guitar was first time played in a
|school band, called 'Quo Vadis'. A half year later, another band
|was founded on another school in late 1986. With this group (no
|name given) we just played cover stuff like 'Boys don't cry'
|from 'The Cure' or some other titles which became popular in
|the 80's. The second last use of this guitar was in a kind of
|'Wave/Punk' band called 'Die Sargtraeger' (engl.The
|Pallbearers). And finally, some friends and I founded a combo
|called: 'Just in Case', (two guitars, bass & drums....we could not
|find a good vocalist for this project, so we played instrumental
|till the end!!). Sometimes, when I'm in the mood to take a look at
|my old tape collection, i start listening to that stuff again (yes,
|we always recorded our stuff) with a smile!!! ;-)
'Two guitars' and 'bass' were clickable. 'Two guitars' took me
to the page with the picture of Anja. 'bass' took me to
|This Bass Guitar is so unimportant, that i don't know why i gave
|some free webspace for it......(kidding!!). Fact is, that this
|instrument was never used on a TD Album, but a friend of mine
|played this Bass during the decade of our strange group
|days....(look 'Kramer Beretta')
Clicking on 'Kramer Beretta' takes you back to the
page--which I have already quoted from above.
So, Jerome was in bands called Quo Vadis, Die Sargtraeger (The
Pallbearers, and Just in Case, was he? Were these all pre-TD, or were
any of them contemporaneous, I wonder (since Anja was in the last one,
at least)?
And what are the chances that Jerome named the band Just in Case
just in case he didn't fit in too well with Pop's ol' band after Paul
Haslinger flew the coop? ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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If it's Monday, it must be time for another KEEP post....
At 07:30 PM 5/11/98 EDT, you wrote:
If you find one, I'll buy it
>from you. I'm at every Roundup, so. . .'
Mike (humming Don Quixote again)
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>>[. . .] did you send it Priority Post?
>
> I dunno. I sent it First Class. Is that the same thing?
'First Class' is a 32 cent stamp, which can take 1 day or 150 days.
Priority Mail is $3 within the US
Global Priority Mail is $3.75 to Canada and more to other countries.
hey, I ship a lot...
Morgan
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> Really-From: feldon@p...
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> 'First Class' is a 32 cent stamp, which can take 1 day or 150 days.
>
> Priority Mail is $3 within the US
>
> Global Priority Mail is $3.75 to Canada and more to other countries.
It's about $8,- here in the Netherlands. waay too expensive.
So you can guess what I pay for post/package for my CDs.
yes, over $10,- only for packaging the damn things.
Ah well........who said life was easy he?
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
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> I've sent cash in the mail to England, the Netherlands, and Hong
>Kong without having it get intercepted, but now it seems that my letter
>to Canada containing a $20.00 bill still hasn't arrived after ten days.
Cheer up, Bucko. A video I sent to someone in Ca took 3 weeks to get there.
I'd heard they've had a problem with the mails. Any of you folk-to-da-North
add anything here?
Mike
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On Tue, 12 May 1998 16:38:33, you wrote:
>Really-From: Michael Fox
>
>
>At 01:58 PM 5/12/98 EDT, you wrote:
>
>> I've sent cash in the mail to England, the Netherlands, and Hong
>>Kong without having it get intercepted, but now it seems that my letter
>>to Canada containing a $20.00 bill still hasn't arrived after ten days.
>
>Cheer up, Bucko. A video I sent to someone in Ca took 3 weeks to get there.
>I'd heard they've had a problem with the mails. Any of you folk-to-da-North
>add anything here?
>
>Mike
>
It has to do with the US/Canadian exchange rate. We're 40% slower up
here...
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Greetings all-
'I know, that 'Rockoon' is NOT one of the most liked TD Albums but there
are still a lot of good moments on it, some of you guys will never be able
to hear!!! (I want my Moog-bob-a-wooba, and i want back my $19.74)' -Jerome
Froese
ROTFLMAO!! 8D 'Nuff said!
goozer (who just might have to add this as my sig file...)
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> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
>
>
> > whats the address?
>
> http://www.netstore.de/~jvfields/
Love the pics too!
Especially the Ovation 6 String guitar that has a pic
of Edgar playing it during the 'Force Majeure'
session.
Greg H.
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>Cheer up, Bucko. A video I sent to someone in Ca took 3 weeks to get there.
>I'd heard they've had a problem with the mails. Any of you folk-to-da-North
>add anything here?
>
>Mike
>
A crisp American 20, is worth about 95 bucks up here...
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At 10:59 AM 5/12/1998 -0700, DB wrote:
>
>Well, I'm finally graduating from AZ state U. It's about damn time!
>Anyway, I'm gonna have to unsubscribe from the list for a while. This
Congrats, Dave, for graduating.
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Good luck and inspiring Muses to you.
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> (I want my Moog-bob-a-wooba, and i want back my $19.74)' -Jerome
> Froese
I wonder if this is a double-entendre (the price of a disk, as well as the
year 1974, when 'Phaedra' was released)?
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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Hello,
I would like swap my maxi cd I Just Want to rule...... if there is interest,
so let me know -please not tapes-
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Hmmm...I think it is much nicer this way...
although, I'm a little perplexed as to why the Roland GR 500 Guitar synth
didn't show up. All the stuff from the time we all thought was done on
that thing (Cyclone, Force Majeure, maybe even Stuntman?) is attributed
to that white Les Paul instead.
also...why DOES TD need so many guitars?
It seems to me that, no matter what axe he's got in his hands, Edgar
always manages to coax a certain kind of sound out of it--c'mon, we can
all (or should be able to by now) smell an Ed Froese guita miles away.
Jerome always has his own distinctive sound too, no matter what the make.
(though he hasn't been playing much lately). Given that this is so, why
buy umpteen dozen guitars when you can make your statement with less than
half that number? People will know it's them, no matter what guitar they
are playing. True, a number of these do make certain advancements in
technology (i.e. MIDI-capable) and improved manufacturing, but I mean,
Edgar's sound has pretty much stabilized since the mid '80s. Why does he
need any more?
This brings me to a second point: many of these axes seem grossly
underutilized. Some of them, like the Hamer Sunburst (GOD I
LOVE THAT ONE) have a truly distinctive sound, and are associated with a
single time period and style in TD's history, and no other. Others, like the
Paul Reed Smith, in spite of some great capabilities and potential,
seemed to keep the band's attention for about a year or so, and then lie
forgotten. Why can't they find one or two they really enjoy, have good
sound and respond well, and stick with 'em?
(well, it is their money...up to them on how they want to spend it)
and lastly...
anybody taken a look at the revised entry for the Hamer Sunburst?
(do I win brownie points? for being right? for actually being noticed?)
Gabe
a man who still thinks that the next time TD tours NA, Edgar should play
the solo for 'Homeless' on the Hamer Sunburst.
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>
>
>In a message dated 98-04-30 01:55:17 EDT, you write:
>
><< you might envision a small part of what I see.
>
> Greg H
> >>
> Indeed I have. Allow me to add to your beautiful description.
Hyperborea
>means 'of the far North'. It came to mean to those who live in frozen
desolate
>lands a place where all would be warm, comfortable, pleasant; in short,
>paradise. Our traveller has decided to set out to seek this place knowing
that
>if he can just keep going, keep going he'll find it; just keep going. And
he
>does find it. As he sinks into the snow and begins to fall asleep he feels
the
>warmth of nature's blanket covering him. His mind envisions warm fires,
soft
>furs about his feet, wife and children holding him close. Too late he
realizes
>paradise is what he left behind. Dell
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At 03:02 PM 5/13/98 -0400, Gabe wrote:
>also...why DOES TD need so many guitars?
Gabe, you must not play guitar.;-) I, unfortunately, play keys and guitar.
Balancing the two interests $$-wise, is a real drag![1]
>This brings me to a second point: Why can't they find one or two they
really enjoy, have good
>sound and respond well, and stick with 'em?
>(well, it is their money...up to them on how they want to spend it)
Answered your own question--refer to [1]
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In a message dated 98-05-12 00:24:28 EDT, you write:
<<
I prefer Dell's nice Arctic (Hyperborea) poems, I really feel much happier
then :-))
>>
Thanks Vic, but don't forget to give credit to Greg Heil too. I simply
built upon his vision. 8-) Dell
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In a message dated 98-05-12 10:48:31 EDT, you write:
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Is there anybody inthere recorded the Jerome's radio show on February
1st (if my memory is good...) and could send me a copy please?
>>
Ditto for me; I signed up for a copy back then but never heard anything
more. Dell
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On Wed, 13 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Michael Fox
>
>
> At 03:02 PM 5/13/98 -0400, Gabe wrote:
>
> >also...why DOES TD need so many guitars?
>
> Gabe, you must not play guitar.;-)
Quite correct. I'm a wind player.
> I, unfortunately, play keys and guitar.
> Balancing the two interests $$-wise, is a real drag![1]
But you're not Tangerine Dream ;).
> >This brings me to a second point: Why can't they find one or two they
> really enjoy, have good
> >sound and respond well, and stick with 'em?
> >(well, it is their money...up to them on how they want to spend it)
>
> Answered your own question--refer to [1]
>
> Mike
>
That has to be the most recursive answer I've ever received.
And it still doesn't answer my original question. Why buy so many, going
through one or two heavily used ones a year, if any given one is flexible
enough to give you the sound you want every time? And knowing that a
guitar can be rebuilt for a new sound (as Edgar did with the Japanese Fender
Strat used on _Underwater Sunlight_ and _Tyger_)?
And chew on this: why is it that TD, world's most reknowned synth band
and still heavy on guitar after all these years, has never invested in
systems like the Roland VG-8? You'd think that such a machine would
open WORLDS of possibilities for TD, yet we have never heard such a
device put to work by them (yet).
Gabe
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> And it still doesn't answer my original question. Why buy so many, going
> through one or two heavily used ones a year, if any given one is flexible
> enough to give you the sound you want every time?
To paraphrase from Geddy Lee in the 'Hold Your Fire' tour program:
'One guitar is too much, and a thousand aren't enough.'
-B. Kirby
'Writers are monkeys who mean' - David Foster Wallace
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Two months ago I orderer EO from SC and this is the time that I
haven't received it. I have e-mailed to SC but still no answer, last time
they told me they were waiting for it to arrive (a 1st. of april, by the
way). Any of you have dealt with SC? Do they take this long? Any other
sources in case of a rip-off? Dan?
Thanks in advance.
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At 07:13 PM 5/13/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: Alvaro Castillo
>
>
>
>Two months ago I orderer EO from SC and this is the time that I
>haven't received it. I have e-mailed to SC but still no answer, last time
>they told me they were waiting for it to arrive (a 1st. of april, by the
>way). Any of you have dealt with SC? Do they take this long? Any other
>sources in case of a rip-off? Dan?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>-Alvaro.
I have dealt with them many times and never had any problems. They MAY BE
having problems getting the set now. After all, it's not exactly
kosher...and Jerome did express a 'bit' of animosity to the producers. It
may have gone a bit deeper underground.
I feel safe in saying that if they CAN get it, they'll send it to you. They
are reputable.
However, unless you can get hold of Dave Minton, they might be the only
GOOD source.
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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At 06:15 PM 5/13/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>On Wed, 13 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
>
>> Really-From: Michael Fox
>>
>>
>> At 03:02 PM 5/13/98 -0400, Gabe wrote:
>>
>> >also...why DOES TD need so many guitars?
>>
>> Gabe, you must not play guitar.;-)
>
>Quite correct. I'm a wind player.
>
>> I, unfortunately, play keys and guitar.
>> Balancing the two interests $$-wise, is a real drag![1]
>
>But you're not Tangerine Dream ;).
>
>> >This brings me to a second point: Why can't they find one or two they
>> really enjoy, have good
>> >sound and respond well, and stick with 'em?
>> >(well, it is their money...up to them on how they want to spend it)
>>
>> Answered your own question--refer to [1]
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
>That has to be the most recursive answer I've ever received.
>And it still doesn't answer my original question. Why buy so many, going
>through one or two heavily used ones a year, if any given one is flexible
>enough to give you the sound you want every time? And knowing that a
>guitar can be rebuilt for a new sound (as Edgar did with the Japanese Fender
>Strat used on _Underwater Sunlight_ and _Tyger_)?
>
>And chew on this: why is it that TD, world's most reknowned synth band
>and still heavy on guitar after all these years, has never invested in
>systems like the Roland VG-8? You'd think that such a machine would
>open WORLDS of possibilities for TD, yet we have never heard such a
>device put to work by them (yet).
>
Gabe,
Maybe they just like to collect guitars. People collect all kinds of weird
things. I, for example, collect recordings of Tangerine Dream. So, you
never know.
>Gabe
>
>
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
> And chew on this: why is it that TD, world's most reknowned synth band
> and still heavy on guitar after all these years, has never invested in
> systems like the Roland VG-8? You'd think that such a machine would
> open WORLDS of possibilities for TD, yet we have never heard such a
> device put to work by them (yet).
>
>
> Gabe
I think TD has become quite commited to a certain brand
of synth. I believe the quastion was asked about equipment
and they said they solely use one brand. And knowing how
TD feels about Japanese equipment, they'll never be using
Yamaha or Akai equipment--I find this kind of sad, because
a band that has pioneered the use of so much electronic
music and has used so many instruments made all over the
world, shouldn't be so limited on what synths they use today.
I always thought the joy of getting new instruments helped
TD crank out the releases they have, today, the ability to
create any sound is possible--which is kind of overwhelming,
especially when TD knew analog like a violinist knew his violin.
Greg H.
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> Really-From: AOutland
>
>
> In a message dated 98-05-12 00:24:28 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
> I prefer Dell's nice Arctic (Hyperborea) poems, I really feel much
happier
> then :-))
> >>
> Thanks Vic, but don't forget to give credit to Greg Heil too. I
simply
> built upon his vision. 8-) Dell
Thanks Dell!
Maybe we can make a project and pick a TD track and come up
with some visual ideas to coincide with the music! I'll confess,
the first one was easy for me--I could do a long one for 'Tangram',
but that would be open to incredible amounts of different interpretation.
Greg H.
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On Wed, 13 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
>
>
> > Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
> > And chew on this: why is it that TD, world's most reknowned synth band
> > and still heavy on guitar after all these years, has never invested in
> > systems like the Roland VG-8? You'd think that such a machine would
> > open WORLDS of possibilities for TD, yet we have never heard such a
> > device put to work by them (yet).
> >
> >
> > Gabe
>
> I think TD has become quite commited to a certain brand
> of synth. I believe the quastion was asked about equipment
> and they said they solely use one brand.
Which brand? Since when? How does this explain the recurrent appearance of
preset sounds that various members on this list have identified as coming from
Yamaha, Roland, and Korg synths? All Japanese-based companies, if I'm
not mistaken? I know they have recently taken to using a lot of gear
from Quasimidi, but I find it impossible to believe that they would let
everything else fall by the wayside, particularly machines like the JD-800.
> And knowing how
> TD feels about Japanese equipment, they'll never be using
> Yamaha or Akai equipment--I find this kind of sad, because
> a band that has pioneered the use of so much electronic
> music and has used so many instruments made all over the
> world, shouldn't be so limited on what synths they use today.
And I say that should apply to the axes as well. I think the question
should be, not whether or not they have become committed to a certain
brand of synth, as far as this goes, but whether they have become
committed to a certain style of playing. Compared to, say, Ozric
Tentacles, I really don't think TD's use of guitar electronics in their
music has ever been THAT imaginative.
> I always thought the joy of getting new instruments helped
> TD crank out the releases they have, today, the ability to
> create any sound is possible--which is kind of overwhelming,
I agree. So much so, that, for the past 10 years at least, TD has NOT
been taking the time to really learn and exploit their instruments to
their full potential. In the case of the DX7...I could understand :).
But once everything acquired the 'universal language' of MIDI, I really
don't think there was any excuse (is it that TD simply don't understand MIDI
and the whole computer approach to synth usage half as well as they think
they do?). If it meant taking an extra year to figure out the box's quirks
and capabilities, before using it on an album, so be it, if it meant a truly
high-quality product, both in composition and execution.
> Greg H.
Gabe
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> Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
> I think TD has become quite commited to a certain brand
> of synth. I believe the quastion was asked about equipment
> and they said they solely use one brand. And knowing how
> TD feels about Japanese equipment, they'll never be using
> Yamaha or Akai equipment--I find this kind of sad, because
> a band that has pioneered the use of so much electronic
> music and has used so many instruments made all over the
> world, shouldn't be so limited on what synths they use today.
Doesn't TD endorse Korg now? Endorsements = lots of free gear. TD aren't
being *trapped,* they're juts caging themselves in. It sure explains the
decline of their music, unless they shock the everlovin' shit out of us and
'Lion's Share' blows the roof off the world of modern electronic music,
hahahah!!! Don't worry, Greg, there's lots of good music out there!!!
E-Man
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>
>
> On Wed, 13 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> > Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> >
> >
> >
> > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
> Which brand? Since when? How does this explain the recurrent appearance
of
> preset sounds that various members on this list have identified as coming
from
> Yamaha, Roland, and Korg synths? All Japanese-based companies, if I'm
> not mistaken? I know they have recently taken to using a lot of gear
> from Quasimidi, but I find it impossible to believe that they would let
> everything else fall by the wayside, particularly machines like the
JD-800.
>
You're right Gabe, this was the list (1996) I could find from the TD
website.
I swear I thought I read somewhere that TD exclusively played a certain
brand of synths--maybe it was Oberheim.
Roland Jupiter 8 analog polysynth
Roland Jupiter 6 analog polysynth
Korg T1
Kurzweil K2000
Roland D70, JD 800 with numerous rack- mounted modules, including a
Korg Wavestation;
Waldorf Wave;
Oberheim Matrix 1000;
Oberheim Xpander;
tuning stabilized MiniMoogs;
Yamaha TX816;
various E-mu Proteus;
Roland MKS70;
Roland U220;
Akai S 3200
Quasimidi Quasar,
JV 1080;
Control Synthesis Deep Bass Nine MIDI- and CV-controlled single-space
rack-mount monophonic analog synth module
I think TD should invest into a good percussion/drum
synth, although the percussion on 'Rising Haul in Silence'
is pretty cool :)
>
> And I say that should apply to the axes as well. I think the question
> should be, not whether or not they have become committed to a certain
> brand of synth, as far as this goes, but whether they have become
> committed to a certain style of playing. Compared to, say, Ozric
> Tentacles, I really don't think TD's use of guitar electronics in their
> music has ever been THAT imaginative.
If you ask me, it's pretty hard to tell apart one guitar from the next.
I think the guitar work in 'Tyrrany' is very good, but the stuff in
'Goblin's Club' seemed tacked on. The acousic guitar work done
in 'Firetounges' never got me going.. maybe it was too fast and messy.
> I agree. So much so, that, for the past 10 years at least, TD has NOT
> been taking the time to really learn and exploit their instruments to
> their full potential. In the case of the DX7...I could understand :).
> But once everything acquired the 'universal language' of MIDI, I really
> don't think there was any excuse (is it that TD simply don't understand
MIDI
> and the whole computer approach to synth usage half as well as they think
> they do?). If it meant taking an extra year to figure out the box's
quirks
> and capabilities, before using it on an album, so be it, if it meant a
truly
> high-quality product, both in composition and execution.
I think the MIDI structures the composition too much. The less structure,
the more life the music takes into it, this really works well with the
guitar work on 'Coldwater Canyon.'
I think TD understands MIDI, but I don't think MIDI fits well with TD's
style
of music, except in maybe the techno 'Dream Mix' style.
> > Greg H.
>
> Gabe
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tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Alvaro Castillo
>
> Two months ago I orderer EO from SC and this is the time that I
> haven't received it. I have e-mailed to SC but still no answer, last time
> they told me they were waiting for it to arrive (a 1st. of april, by the
> way). Any of you have dealt with SC?
Unless you are dealing with me....yes...they can be very late and lazy
when dealing with orders...particulary emusic related stuff since that
was my area....but as you know I have left the company to work on my
publishing (comics & music)...so best of luck with their erratic
service.
Do they take this long? Any other
> sources in case of a rip-off? Dan?
Well, I don't think you got ripped off. When I left we were totally out
of them and they hadn't been reordered because of private reasons. I
would call them directly & tell them the problem (ask for John). I
believe I even saw your order awaiting product on our hold shelf....so
rest assured...your order will be processed as soon as the Orgies
arrive....IF they get more. Keep calling them to find out what's up.
Dano
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> > >also...why DOES TD need so many guitars?
>
Don't forget: there are guitars owned by three people on that
page. Jerome, Ed & Zlatko. By way of comparison, Robert Fripp has
hundreds of guitars, included one that Jimi Hendrix set fire to. Fripp
plays it, too.
Scott
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I'm looking for the CD 'Edgar Froese - Epsilon In Malaysian Pale' at a low
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Maybe we can exchange anything.
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Greg Heil
>I think TD has become quite commited to a certain brand
>of synth. I believe the quastion was asked about equipment
>and they said they solely use one brand. And knowing how
>TD feels about Japanese equipment, they'll never be using
>Yamaha or Akai equipment--
That's funny. I've seen them use a lot of AKAI samplers
with my own eyes. Could it be that you're not quite right in your
knowledge ;-)
Goblins Club has the higest rate of sample use on ANY TD album.
So I think they are usning whatever kind of samplers they can get their
hands on. AKAI, Yamaha, Roland or even EMU.
At two concerts less then six months between (Shepard's Bush 96 and
Hamburg 97) I noticed that they switched their synth setup completely.
They went from a primary setup of Alesis Quadrasynth and Kurzweil
K2500, to a primary Quasimidi Raven + a couple I couldn't make out.
The funny thing is that the sound remained more of less the same at both
concerts. I wonder if that had something to do with all the AKAI samplers
in the
background + the harddisk recording systems on their onstage computers ;-)
In fact......how much do they ACTUALLY play live ??
I don't think they feel anything particular about any special brand of
synth or sampler. They are using whatever they want, or the kind of
products that the sponsors of the concerts or the tours are willing to
pay them to use ;-)
Flemming.
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On Thu, 14 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
> > From: tadream mailing list
> > To: tadream@c...
> > Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page...
> > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 11:17 PM
> >
> --
> > Really-From: Gabe Yedid
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 13 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> >
> > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
> I think TD should invest into a good percussion/drum
> synth, although the percussion on 'Rising Haul in Silence'
> is pretty cool :)
How 'bout the Korg WaveDrum? ;)
> If you ask me, it's pretty hard to tell apart one guitar from the next.
Precisely my original point. Ergo, my question about why they need so many.
> I think the guitar work in 'Tyrrany' is very good, but the stuff in
> 'Goblin's Club' seemed tacked on. The acousic guitar work done
> in 'Firetounges' never got me going.. maybe it was too fast and messy.
As played by Gradwohl and Hornby at London '96, yes. There's a world of
difference between what they did with it and what Zlatko does with it.
> > I agree. So much so, that, for the past 10 years at least, TD has NOT
> > been taking the time to really learn and exploit their instruments to
> > their full potential. In the case of the DX7...I could understand :).
> > But once everything acquired the 'universal language' of MIDI, I really
> > don't think there was any excuse (is it that TD simply don't understand
> MIDI
> > and the whole computer approach to synth usage half as well as they think
>
> > they do?). If it meant taking an extra year to figure out the box's
> quirks
> > and capabilities, before using it on an album, so be it, if it meant a
> truly
> > high-quality product, both in composition and execution.
>
> I think the MIDI structures the composition too much. The less structure,
> the more life the music takes into it, this really works well with the
> guitar work on 'Coldwater Canyon.'
Not the example I would have picked...this piece still impresses me as
being one of TD's most absolutely 'robotic' pieces of all time.
> I think TD understands MIDI, but I don't think MIDI fits well with TD's
> style of music, except in maybe the techno 'Dream Mix' style.
It has probably been pretty much dictating their style since 1988, if not
earlier. The first Dream Mixes, at least, while it still used a lot of
recognizable General MIDI sounds, was free of that absolutely structured
feel present on all their albums since _Optical Race_; a DJ friend of
mine, while he admitted he didn't think it was great as techno, really
liked that more plastic, 'organic' approach to composition, and had to
listen to it a few times through before convincing himself it wasn't
real-time improv. Having listened through _TimeSquare_ a few times now,
I'd say that this *isn't* true of that album, except maybe in 'Digital
Sister' and the title track. It just doesn't come off as being as much
'fun' as DM1, it's like they treated it as more of an intellectual exercise.
> > > Greg H.
Gabe
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Really-From: 'Marek Mastalerz'
Hallo everybody - it's Marek The Alienist again.
Could anyone give me the track listing of 'Coefficient of Aural Expansion'
(both parts)? How does it compares to 'Phaedream' CD? - I mean, if the
titles for the same pieces are different, what stands for what?
BTW: Does anyone have a spare copy of 'The Man Inside' CD, pretty purrlease?
Marek the Alienist
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> I think the MIDI structures the composition too much. The less structure,
> the more life the music takes into it, this really works well with the
> guitar work on 'Coldwater Canyon.'
> I think TD understands MIDI, but I don't think MIDI fits well with TD's
> style
> of music, except in maybe the techno 'Dream Mix' style.
You make as weird music as you want with MIDI.
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
> You're right Gabe, this was the list (1996) I could find from the TD
> website.
> I swear I thought I read somewhere that TD exclusively played a certain
> brand of synths--maybe it was Oberheim.
>
> Roland Jupiter 8 analog polysynth
> Roland Jupiter 6 analog polysynth
> Korg T1
> Kurzweil K2000
> Roland D70, JD 800 with numerous rack- mounted modules, including a
> Korg Wavestation;
> Waldorf Wave;
> Oberheim Matrix 1000;
> Oberheim Xpander;
> tuning stabilized MiniMoogs;
> Yamaha TX816;
> various E-mu Proteus;
> Roland MKS70;
> Roland U220;
> Akai S 3200
> Quasimidi Quasar,
> JV 1080;
> Control Synthesis Deep Bass Nine MIDI- and CV-controlled single-space
> rack-mount monophonic analog synth module
Well I certainly can't hear this equipment on their latest releases.
Man, so many wondeful instruments and producing so many average albums
these days???? How is it possible to make albums like Tyranny or whatever
with these kind of instruments? Now I take my hat of for mr. Froese for that
:-))
Marcel
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Subject: TD to sell or trade
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Hi everyone! I have a few TD & related CDs I am considering selling or trading.
1. AMBIENT-3 cd box set collectors edition/limited edition picture discs of
FROESE-AQUA, SCHULZE-TIMEWIND, ASHRA-BLACKOUTS
condition- mint, still sealed in original packing
2. TANGERINE DREAM-THE ANALOGUE SPACE YEARS- Remastered, 2 Gold disc set
w/poster
condition- mint, still sealed in original packing
3. TANGERINE DREAM-THE DREAM MIXES-2 cd import
condition- selling either 1. mint, still sealed OR 2. opened, no scratches or
scuffs
4. TANGERINE DREAM-DREAM SEQUENCE-2 cd import
condition- selling either 1. mint, still sealed OR 2. opened,few light
hairline scratches (they were
there when I bought it used, it does not effect playability or sound quality)
5. TANGERINE DREAM-NEAR DARK (I have the Silva Screen disc & Varese Sarabande
disc)
condition- opened, no scratches or scuffs
Iam willing to buy any below or fair trade for any above.
TANGERINE DREAM-
SBM- EXIT
SBM- STRATOSFEAR
SBM- FORCE MAJEURE
SBM- CYCLONE
TYRANNY OF BEAUTY-CD SINGLE W/BONUS TRACK
TYGER (1991-RELATIVITY)
AMBIENT MONKEYS
TIMESQUARE
LIMITED EDITION WORLD TOUR 1997
TOWARDS THE EVENING STAR
THE STORY OF TANGERINE DREAM (DOUBLE)
THE KEEP 1997
KLAUS SCHULZE-
DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG 1
DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG 2
DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG 3
TRANCELATION
IN BLUE (2CD)
BABEL
SILENCE AND SEQUENCE
BODY LOVE VOL. 2
INTERFACE
EDGAR FROESE-
ELECTRONIC DREAMS
SOLO 1974-1979
AGES (DOUBLE)
EPSILON IN MALAYSIA PALE
MACULA TRANSFER
HOENIG/GOTTSCHING-
EARLY WATER
MICHAEL HOENIG-
XCEPT ONE
PETER BAUMANN-
ROMANCE 76
TRANS HARMONIC NIGHTS
PHASE BY PHASE
I also have many more I need, but due to space I only listed a few. Let me know
if
you have anything you want to get rid of, I may need it. Please send lists in
e-mail form
as I am currently having problems opening up some spread sheets and attachments.
THANK YOU ALL!
Joel mullen
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> I think the MIDI structures the composition too much. The less
structure,
> the more life the music takes into it, this really works well with
the
> guitar work on 'Coldwater Canyon.'
> I think TD understands MIDI, but I don't think MIDI fits well with
TD's
> style
> of music, except in maybe the techno 'Dream Mix' style.
MIDI structure is purely down to the way that the music is recorded.
If it is a live MIDI 'recording' of a performance, then it will reflect the
way the music was originally played. If TD want to produce a piece of music
that uses a driving sequence of notes, then that is their choice. If they
want to play a piece of classical piano which sounds completely 'live' and
'genuine' then that is also their choice.
Back in the 60's and 70's, analogue synths used C.V and Gate
controllers to sequence music in a similar fashion to MIDI (although a whole
lot more unreliable and cumbersome).
You must realise that TD have changed their style to reflect modern
instruments and whilst a lot of the recent releases have sounded like they
use what appear to be primarily 'preset' sounds, it is patently obvious that
Edgar, Jerome and the like have created and chosen their preferred soundset
and used that to produce their tunes.
As Marcel mentions, you can programme MIDI in exactly the way you
wish. I think that the point most of the list members are trying to make is
the transition of TD from primarily Analogue to Digital synths. That is the
big difference that has affected the sound of TD - it is a more clinical
sound rather than the organic classics like Rubycon, etc.
Craig Rich
You make as weird music as you want with MIDI.
Marcel
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> Really-From: 'Marek Mastalerz'
>
>
> Hallo everybody - it's Marek The Alienist again.
> Could anyone give me the track listing of 'Coefficient of Aural Expansion'
> (both parts)? How does it compares to 'Phaedream' CD? - I mean, if the
> titles for the same pieces are different, what stands for what?
> BTW: Does anyone have a spare copy of 'The Man Inside' CD, pretty
> purrlease?
Here's the complete tracklist from CoAE pt. 1 :-)
Coefficient of Aural Expansion 60:45
phew all that typing!
2 Tracks on pt. 2 (I believe it doesn't have titles)
The difference between CoAE and Phaedream is that CoAE is much better
quality then Phaedream (but it has got that extra Neuronium track).
Marcel
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(can't help you with The Man Inside, cause thats a period from TD
I just don't want to know)
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At 06:15 PM 5/13/98 -0400, Gabe wrote:
>That has to be the most recursive answer I've ever received.
Thank you.[1]......refer to [1]
>And it still doesn't answer my original question. Why buy so many, going
>through one or two heavily used ones a year, if any given one is flexible
>enough to give you the sound you want every time?
I think it boils down to Ed being a guitar player before he decided to
spend more time on KB's. A lot of guitarists like to collect and own many
different brands/styles/models of guitars. They all have their own unique
quirks and sounds. I don't think it has anything to do with having that ONE
axe you play on the road forever--Ed used that White Paul for quite awhile.
Tastes change over time--same with the synths--they don't use those bulky
modulars' anymore, either...hmm.maybe they should;-). It's just nice to
have a small (or large) arsenal to pick from. Hell, I'd love to hear Zlatko
use some big fat-body for a change--that Steinbarger is starting to wear a
bit thin for me--and I used to own one.
>And chew on this: why is it that TD, world's most reknowned synth band
>and still heavy on guitar after all these years, has never invested in
>systems like the Roland VG-8? You'd think that such a machine would
>open WORLDS of possibilities for TD, yet we have never heard such a
>device put to work by them (yet).
I haven't messed with a guitar synth in some time, but the ones I played
had serious trouble following string bends and whammy bar dive bombs. I'm
sure technology has improved, maybe they haven't found the right unit
yet--or don't care to. I've played a VG-8 and it's a monster--you can get a
helluva lot of different sounds out of it; maybe just not their cup of
tea--or they've given Z-man the reigns to the guitar section (too bad,
IMHO) and he doesn't dig it. For me, I like the idea of a 'pure' guitar
sound over the top of that synth-brew....not another electro-mush guitar
sound that could also be a KB. All MHO.
Cheers,
Mike
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
The response to my request has been overwhelming! TWO PEOPLE RESPONDED!
I sincerely thanks the two guys that did respond, but the rest of you
should be ashamed! _None_ of you have any articles, reviews, etc., that
you clipped from your local papers? Come on! This isn't for my book,
this is for my web page, which is accessible to all. Come on, people,
give me some information!
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has anyone heard from chris chouinard? his email is not getting through, so i
was wondering if anyone has heard from him. please email me privately.
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On Thu, 14 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Michael Fox
>
>
> At 06:15 PM 5/13/98 -0400, Gabe wrote:
>
> >That has to be the most recursive answer I've ever received.
>
> Thank you.[1]......refer to [1]
You're a master, aren't you? ;)
> >And it still doesn't answer my original question. Why buy so many, going
> >through one or two heavily used ones a year, if any given one is flexible
> >enough to give you the sound you want every time?
>
> I think it boils down to Ed being a guitar player before he decided to
> spend more time on KB's. A lot of guitarists like to collect and own many
> different brands/styles/models of guitars. They all have their own unique
> quirks and sounds. I don't think it has anything to do with having that ONE
Now, there's no way somebody like me could know that, except in a very
few cases. The Hamer Sunburst (3 guesses as to what my favourite TD axe
is) does indeed have such a sound (especially as treated by Edgar), but
from 86-90, all those axes sound, to me, like slight variations on a
basic sound that could easily be attributed to different pickups and
effects boxes; otherwise, I would have NO idea there were something like 3
or 4 different guitars that Ed played during this time.
> axe you play on the road forever--Ed used that White Paul for quite awhile.
If I bought a reasonably good guitar (imagining I could play it), I would
use it and use it until the fretboard was worn totally flat and even the
world's best guitar technicians told me 'Sorry man, this thing's beyond
re-stringing'.
> Tastes change over time--same with the synths--they don't use those bulky
> modulars' anymore, either...hmm.maybe they should;-). It's just nice to
> have a small (or large) arsenal to pick from. Hell, I'd love to hear Zlatko
> use some big fat-body for a change--that Steinbarger is starting to wear a
> bit thin for me--and I used to own one.
He does...generally he uses one of the Ibanezes, doesn't he?
Yet another case where, regardless of the axe, it's the same basic sound
every time--but instead of Ed's distinctive howl, you get the
pseudo-Satriani we all know and love. Which seems to support my argument
that the axe doesn't matter--it's what you hook it up to that makes all
the difference.
> >And chew on this: why is it that TD, world's most reknowned synth band
> >and still heavy on guitar after all these years, has never invested in
> >systems like the Roland VG-8? You'd think that such a machine would
> >open WORLDS of possibilities for TD, yet we have never heard such a
> >device put to work by them (yet).
>
> I haven't messed with a guitar synth in some time, but the ones I played
> had serious trouble following string bends and whammy bar dive bombs.
If that's so, maybe it took Ed only about a year to destroy his GR 500
beyond repair ;)
> I'm
> sure technology has improved, maybe they haven't found the right unit
> yet--or don't care to. I've played a VG-8 and it's a monster--you can get a
> helluva lot of different sounds out of it; maybe just not their cup of
> tea--or they've given Z-man the reigns to the guitar section (too bad,
> IMHO) and he doesn't dig it.
I wouldn't think he does (or could), personally. But you'd think at least
Edgar or Jerome would give it a chance, especially since Edgar has used
such beasts in the past...which is maybe why he doesn't anymore ;).
>For me, I like the idea of a 'pure' guitar sound over the top of that
>synth-brew....not another electro-mush guitar sound that could also be a
>KB. All MHO.
I dunno...Ozric Tentacles in particular has a talent for getting a very
electronic sound that is still recognizable as a guitar, and they 'morph'
it VERY well, so that in blends in quite seamlessly with the other
synth-based goings-on in their music.
Could you imagine 'Hamlet' as done with a setup by Ed Wynne?
> Cheers,
> Mike
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Really-From: AOutland
In a message dated 98-05-14 03:49:14 EDT, you write:
<< I swear I thought I read somewhere that TD exclusively played a certain
brand of synths--maybe it was Oberheim.
>>
Don't know if this helps or not since I have no clue what you guys are
talking about when it comes to instruments, but in the recent chat with TD
they were asked by jowers: Do you guys endorse any instruments besides
Steinberg? and the answer was NO. So, I guess that means they do endorse
Steinberg. So, what is a Steinberg? 8-) Dell
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Subject: VA: New Visions - Celestial Voyagers
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Really-From: Vic Rek
I know someone mentioned something about this release about two months ago,
but here are the details:
VA (Various Artists): New Visions - Celestial Voyagers
US Rhino R2 75266, 1 CD, 1998
It's quiet interesting to see the Rhino label delving into 'new age'.
Tangerine Dream: Touchwood (track 12)
The artists in order:
Jonn Serrie, Suzanne Ciani, Tim Wheater, Mike Oldfield, Iasos, Vangelis,
Clanned, Patrick O'Hearn, Kevin Braheny, Michael Sterns, Ed Van Fleet,
Tangerine Dream, Constance Demby, Richard Burmer, Brian Eno, Steven Halpern.
Has a nice foldout booklet with a write-up on each artist and a message from
Greenpeace about recycling ;-)
OK you diehards, here's another one...
Vic
At 01:50 PM 5/10/98 +0000, you wrote:
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>
>
>> If BTH is ending, what's going to happen to everyone (including myself)
>> that ordered a copy of Infinite Horizons? Are we still going to get them?
>>
>Hello all,
>
>Rest assured, all of you who ordered Infinite Horizons will get them.
>I'm awaiting an official response from Mr. Lawless to post to the
>list, so don't believe the hype 'til you hear it from me.
>
>-B. Kirby
>
>
>'Writers are monkeys who mean' - David Foster Wallace
>
>
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On Thu, 14 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: AOutland
>
>
> In a message dated 98-05-14 03:49:14 EDT, you write:
>
> << I swear I thought I read somewhere that TD exclusively played a certain
> brand of synths--maybe it was Oberheim.
> >>
> Don't know if this helps or not since I have no clue what you guys are
> talking about when it comes to instruments, but in the recent chat with TD
> they were asked by jowers: Do you guys endorse any instruments besides
> Steinberg? and the answer was NO. So, I guess that means they do endorse
> Steinberg. So, what is a Steinberg? 8-) Dell
Mmm, that's a bit different. Steinberg are the manufacturers of their
MIDI/sequencing software package, Cubase.
Gabe
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> Really-From: AOutland
>
>
> In a message dated 98-05-14 03:49:14 EDT, you write:
>
> << I swear I thought I read somewhere that TD exclusively played a
certain
> brand of synths--maybe it was Oberheim.
> >>
> Don't know if this helps or not since I have no clue what you guys
are
> talking about when it comes to instruments, but in the recent chat with
TD
> they were asked by jowers: Do you guys endorse any instruments besides
> Steinberg? and the answer was NO. So, I guess that means they do endorse
> Steinberg. So, what is a Steinberg? 8-) Dell
Thanks Dell!!
I knew I heard them say that somewhere, thanks for finding that
interview!
Does this mean they only use Steinberg instruments? Probably not,
does it mean they will only buy Steinberg in the future? Possibly.
Seems kind of an odd statement to make.
Greg H.
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> It has probably been pretty much dictating their style since 1988, if not
> earlier. The first Dream Mixes, at least, while it still used a lot of
> recognizable General MIDI sounds, was free of that absolutely structured
> feel present on all their albums since _Optical Race_; a DJ friend of
> mine, while he admitted he didn't think it was great as techno, really
> liked that more plastic, 'organic' approach to composition, and had to
> listen to it a few times through before convincing himself it wasn't
> real-time improv. Having listened through _TimeSquare_ a few times now,
> I'd say that this *isn't* true of that album, except maybe in 'Digital
> Sister' and the title track. It just doesn't come off as being as much
> 'fun' as DM1, it's like they treated it as more of an intellectual
exercise.
>
>
> Gabe
As some others have said, the big change came with digital synths, but
that's not the absolute reason why TD is the way they are today. It is
mainly by choice, that TD wants to structure every single segment of their
music--it's kind of like having a sequencer drive everything to a computer
precise standard--which I think to an extent what MIDI allows on a
recording
basis. One could say 'Oh, lets put this sound through the entire song,
exactly at 5 second intervals.' Then MIDI can do that--it can be weird, of
course, it can even make no sense. It terribly reminds me of a game I
had for my Super Mintendo called 'Mario Paint' where one with a mouse
can drop icons on a scrolling musical carpet, click play, set tempo, and
voila
a musical preset masterpeice. I know that's too simple, but I thought it
was funny anyway.
The real change was in composition, tracks are shorter, there are
drums, percussion, guitars, exotic vocals, keyboard presets, and an overall
less emphasis on atmosphere.
Greg H.
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Subject: TD Sound-Alikes?
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
I bought a CD called 'Trip Through Sound' --Blue
Room Released.
I bought this because on the back, a group called
KoxBox did a song called 'Stratosfear' - 10:25
I popped this thing in and thump thump thump..
no no.. some weird voices.. then thump thump
thump. I really dunno if this is some kind of tribute.
Anyone heard of X-Dream? They are on here too.
I guess this could be a returner... I wish I wasn't
tricked so easily!
Greg H.
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Really-From: Craig Rich
I've got CD's by Redshift, Radio Massacre International and
Airsculpture - all of which have fantastic classic mid to late 70's TD style
sequences. They are all excellent and highly recommended.
Craig.
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I bought a CD called 'Trip Through Sound' --Blue
Room Released.
I bought this because on the back, a group called
KoxBox did a song called 'Stratosfear' - 10:25
I popped this thing in and thump thump thump..
no no.. some weird voices.. then thump thump
thump. I really dunno if this is some kind of tribute.
Anyone heard of X-Dream? They are on here too.
I guess this could be a returner... I wish I wasn't
tricked so easily!
Greg H.
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>Subject: TD Sound-Alikes?
>Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>I bought a CD called 'Trip Through Sound' --Blue Room Released.
>Anyone heard of X-Dream? They are on here too.
X-Dream/Blue Room samplers are known for 'Goa Trance',
a substyle of Elecronica/Techno.
It´s not exactly TD sound alike. ;-)
>I guess this could be a returner... I wish I wasn't
>tricked so easily!
LOL, hopefully you´ve learned a lot.
Greg, you don´t need to buy everythink with Tangerine Dream on its label,
I bet if someone would call his new CD Tangerine Dream, hundrets of TD fans
would buy it, even if it´ll be a stinker,
just for the damn! name on the cover.
BTW, would there be interest in a remix/rework of an old Edgar Froese track
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Kind Regards
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>I'm looking for the CD 'Edgar Froese - Epsilon In Malaysian Pale'
>at a low price.
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>Who can help?
Er, I didn't think it was available in ANY format, at ANY price,
or does someone know something I don't?
Steve.
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I was looking through a catalog last night from a company called
'Fingerhut.' In it they had some sort of electro-plasma globe device for
sale. They had three models, each of a different color. The orange one
was called. . . Tangerine Dream! They also had a purple one called
Midnight Oil. The third wasn't a band name. Cherry something.
Scott
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My CD arrived yesterday..looks interesting, nice cover and selection:
Perhaps I can provide a ful list in the future, but a few TD-reklated
highlights include:
Chris Franke 'Metaphonic Chronicles' 7.42 (1998)
Michael Hoenig 'The Vertical Rotating Horizon (live)' 7.13 (1994)
Johannes Schmoelling 'Lamentation of an Ancient Tree' 8.08 (1997)
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On Fri, 15 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> >Subject: TD Sound-Alikes?
>
> >Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
> >I bought a CD called 'Trip Through Sound' --Blue Room Released.
>
> >Anyone heard of X-Dream? They are on here too.
>
> BTW, would there be interest in a remix/rework of an old Edgar Froese track
> ?
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
>
>
> Jens
>
Uh, what are you trying to tell us Jens? Is this your work?
Depends which track...if it's something from _Ages_, I'm likely to take a
pass on it...
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At 12:02 PM 5/15/1998 +0100, you wrote:
>Really-From: Stephen Yensen
>
>
>>Really-From: Lambert Ringlage
>>
>>I'm looking for the CD 'Edgar Froese - Epsilon In Malaysian Pale'
>>at a low price.
>>
>>Who can help?
>
>Er, I didn't think it was available in ANY format, at ANY price,
>or does someone know something I don't?
>
>Steve.
>
It WAS available on Virgin (#CDV2040). I don't know if it's STILL
available....but I have a copy :-)
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Today I found a copy of 'New Vision: Celestial Voyages' on Rhino (R272566).
It has ONE cut by TD: 'Touchwood', as well as 15 other cuts by Burmer,
Serrie, Ciani, Oldfield, O'hearn, etc.
Is this the 'ASTRAL VOYAGES' that I saw mentioned several weeks ago here or
yet another compilation with VOYAGES as part of the name.
Anybody know?
Thanks.
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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>Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:26:00 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: VA: New Visions - Celestial Voyagers
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>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>VA (Various Artists): New Visions - Celestial Voyagers
>US Rhino R2 75266, 1 CD, 1998
>
>It's quiet interesting to see the Rhino label delving into 'new age'.
Well, at least they demonstrated a fair amount of good taste in a
much-maligned bunch of genres. Thank God their is no Yawni or Enya, but
I would've liked to have seen Andreas Vollenweider on the compilation.
>Tangerine Dream: Touchwood (track 12)
For folk unfamiliar with TD, this is a particularly good choice:
superficially, it is an upbeat, almost poppy, but subliminally spacey
tune, but underneath, it is almost as trippy as THE DREAM MIXES' 'Change
of the Gods.' Good move, Rhino! :)
>The artists in order:
>Jonn Serrie,
Yes, yes, great, excellent. Err, but it depends on the track. ;)
>Suzanne Ciani,
Again, it depends on the track, but she can be quite good. IMHO,
the best tracks on the last KLEM CD were by Ciani and Patrick Kosmos.
>Tim Wheater,
Who's he?
>Mike Oldfield, Iasos, Vangelis,
Groan. Of these three, I am only unfamiliar with Iasos. I have
heard brief pieces in New Age stores, but that's it.
>Clanned, [Clannad?]
Feh. Enya by any other name is still Enya. ;)
>Patrick O'Hearn, Kevin Braheny, Michael Sterns,
Ah, good.
>Ed Van Fleet,
Eh, not so good. (Syncrestra is no major e-music contender)
>Tangerine Dream,
Well, duh!
>Constance Demby,
Depends on the track.
>Richard Burmer, Brian Eno,
Nice to see these two back-to-back. ;)
>Steven Halpern.
Hope it's something decent. Quite often, Halpern is guilty of being
one of New Age's most stereotypical and deserving-of-vitriol exponents,
but he can turn out good stuff (like stuff he's done with Dallas Smith
and Susan Mazer).
>Has a nice foldout booklet with a write-up on each artist and a message
>from Greenpeace about recycling ;-)
Without a longbox, what is there to recycle in a CD? The shrink
wrap? Well, there's the paper inserts, but most people keep those. ;)
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>Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:01:00 -0700
>Subject: Re: Record Meet Merchant Saw THE KEEP A Few Years Ago
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Greg Heil
>
>>Really-From: AOutland
>>
>>In a message dated 98-05-12 00:24:28 EDT, you write:
>>
>>> I prefer Dell's nice Arctic (Hyperborea) poems, I really feel much
>>>happier then :-))
>>
>> Thanks Vic, but don't forget to give credit to Greg Heil too. I
>>simply built upon his vision. 8-) Dell
>
>Thanks Dell!
>
>Maybe we can make a project and pick a TD track and come up with some
>visual ideas to coincide with the music! I'll confess, the first one
>was easy for me--I could do a long one for 'Tangram', but that would
>be open to incredible amounts of different interpretation.
>
>Greg H.
Jeepers Crow! Can we try to change the headers in our replies so
that when a posting is a complete waste of time for most(?) people, the
rest of us can delete it without having to peek at the contents? Just
as there are those who think THE KEEP is a subject that is a complete
waste of time, there are those who think poetry and suchlike is about
as apropos a discussion of an all-instrumental band as would a gearhead
discussion of the Greatful Dead! Sheesh.
Golly jeepers, I guess I plumb went and blew my chances with all
(or is that both?) the female subscribers here. They'll never think of
me as cyber-eligible again. Boo hoo. ;) Ah, me. X-o
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>Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:15:00 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page...
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>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
>And chew on this: why is it that TD, world's most reknowned synth band
>and still heavy on guitar after all these years, has never invested in
>systems like the Roland VG-8? You'd think that such a machine would
>open WORLDS of possibilities for TD, yet we have never heard such a
>device put to work by them (yet).
Sounds like a good question to pose in the TD website Guestbook.
I mean, Edgar and Jerome supposedly read much of what is posted there.
(I wonder how much of *our* blather is inspected, though?)
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>much-maligned bunch of genres. Thank God their is no Yawni or
Enya, but
Hey, I like Enya!
>I would've liked to have seen Andreas Vollenweider on the
compilation.
Talk about a new age hack!
> >Suzanne Ciani,
Saw her for free at Borders, then talked to her afterwards.
She's real good!
>>Clanned, [Clannad?]
> Feh. Enya by any other name is still Enya. ;)
Grrr! Clannad is a lot more strictly Celtic. Enya's
Celtic-inspired new age. Sorry, my Pagan side's showing.
>>Has a nice foldout booklet with a write-up on each artist and
a message
>>from Greenpeace about recycling ;-)
> Without a longbox, what is there to recycle in a CD? The
shrink
>wrap? Well, there's the paper inserts, but most people keep
those. ;)
Perhaps if you break the jewel case and need to replace it?
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At 14:11 19980515- EDT, tadream mailing list wrote:
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Who's Steen?
> Golly jeepers, I guess I plumb went and blew my chances with all
>(or is that both?) the female subscribers here. They'll never think of
>me as cyber-eligible again. Boo hoo. ;) Ah, me. X-o
serves you right.
I should be so lucky. My fiancee happens to like TD (never heard of them
till she met me), having no idea of what their back catalogue of music is
like; pulls a CD at random sometimes to go to sleep with. I like it 'cause
it's just karmically cool to listen to TD without letting your 'personal'
favourite override your decision.
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At 06:57 PM 5/14/98 -0400, Gabe wrote:
but
>from 86-90, all those axes sound, to me, like slight variations on a
>basic sound that could easily be attributed to different pickups and
>effects boxes;
I'm really just putting my thoughts into Edgar here, but a lot of us
'older' pickers prefer simply a good guitar, maybe a little effects and an
amp opposed to a gazillion effects. There's a ton of excellent equipment
out there, for sure, I just have a gut feeling EF likes his 'the old
fashioned' way.
>If I bought a reasonably good guitar (imagining I could play it), I would
>use it and use it until the fretboard was worn totally flat and even the
>world's best guitar technicians told me 'Sorry man, this thing's beyond
>re-stringing'.
Oh, you're right about that! I've got a 56 Telecaster that is on it's third
fret job, but the other guitars I own are just as important..i.e., the Tele
sounds nothing like my Gibson 335 (hollow body) so it depends what you're
doing. Sometimes I only use one for a project, others, I'll take the lot
with me.
>
>He does...generally he uses one of the Ibanezes, doesn't he?
You're probably right, I've only seen the 220V vid to get a look.
>Yet another case where, regardless of the axe, it's the same basic sound
>every time--but instead of Ed's distinctive howl, you get the
>pseudo-Satriani we all know and love.
We all know the sound...some of us think it's getting long in the tooth.
Which seems to support my argument
>that the axe doesn't matter--it's what you hook it up to that makes all
>the difference.
I differ with you on this. Yes, with all the racks and boxes you can
approximate the sound of another guitar, but you know it ain't the real
thing! Also depends on what you like, some swear by Fender, some Gibson,
some by others. I'd still like to see EF take a swing at the type of stuff
he did years gone by. Like Count Basie sez, ' It isn't how many notes you
play, it's the space in-between.' (I paraphrase).
Mike
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On Fri, 15 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>
> >Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:15:00 -0400 (EDT)
> >Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page...
> >To: tadream mailing list
> >Really-From: Gabe Yedid
> >
> >And chew on this: why is it that TD, world's most reknowned synth band
> >and still heavy on guitar after all these years, has never invested in
> >systems like the Roland VG-8? You'd think that such a machine would
> Sounds like a good question to pose in the TD website Guestbook.
> I mean, Edgar and Jerome supposedly read much of what is posted there.
> (I wonder how much of *our* blather is inspected, though?)
>
> -- Steven Feldman
Why, thank you so much for the idea Steven. I'll get on it ASAP.
Gabe
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Just saw this on Jerome's guitar page:
Hey Gabe,
Your presumption was absolutely correct.
Thanks man. Of course, i immediately
examined our photograph archive. And of
course, i found a couple of pics from that
tour.
I guess they do read our comments!
Scott
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Subject: Welcome Lambert Ringlage!
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Sheesh, if none of you other guys picked up on this from his post for
'Ypsilon In Malaysian Pale'... (I hope he saw the 'for trade' list that came
out shortly after his post that had it in there. At least that's where it
was in digest mode...)
Welcome, Lambert! I have enjoyed all of the music that I have heard from you
over the years, both solo and with Steven Parsick (favorite is probably
'Dimension Of Dream'). What do you have in the works, as the latest I have
heard of yours is a few years old. It is nice to have you here and you may
want to try subscribing to the Gold Tri mailing list; it deals more with
musicians deserving to be heard, such as yourself and fans of their music.
E-mail me privately if you are interested in joining in...
'Gold Tri, the e-mail list for TD fans when they grow up'... >:-) (ducking
and running, laughing hysterically!!)
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In a message dated 98-05-15 14:26:37 EDT, you write:
<< Golly jeepers, I guess I plumb went and blew my chances with all
(or is that both?) the female subscribers here. They'll never think of
me as cyber-eligible again. Boo hoo. ;) Ah, me. X-o
-- Steven Feldman
-- >>
Gee, did you really think you had a chance to begin with?
Point taken about changing the subject, but let's keep the discussions
gender unspecific if you don't mind. The enjoyment of poetry or scenario
visioning has nothing to do with male/female. For your information, the other
half of this discussion is male. X-o yourself. 8-( Dell
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>Really-From: 'Craig Shipley'
>'Gold Tri, the e-mail list for TD fans when they grow up'... >:-) (ducking
>and running, laughing hysterically!!)
Well, I don't think I'll ever grow up then, but besides, you must be kidding
Craig :-) You still can't runaway from TD on that list either, but I like
another description you once used about that list being the place for
recovering TD-aholics. I've checked into that clinic as well along with a
few more fans from this list too, but I still see myself reaching for that
TD CD over and over again...
Vic (chasing and throwing rotten eggs and tomatoes :-))
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On Fri, 15 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
> Just saw this on Jerome's guitar page:
>
>
> Hey Gabe,
>
> Your presumption was absolutely correct.
> Thanks man. Of course, i immediately
> examined our photograph archive. And of
> course, i found a couple of pics from that
> tour.
>
> I guess they do read our comments!
>
>
> Scott
;)
Well, I never posted that on the guestbook pages...I sent my guess
directly to the TD Office, with a big ATTN JEROME in the subject line.
Tried it again today, concerning the VG-8, GR-500, and what guitar Edgar
used for 'Magic Lantern'.
Gabe
NP: Redshift--_Ether_
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Date: Sat May 16, 1998 3:02
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
On Fri, 15 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Michael Fox
>
>
> At 06:57 PM 5/14/98 -0400, Gabe wrote:
> but
> >from 86-90, all those axes sound, to me, like slight variations on a
> >basic sound that could easily be attributed to different pickups and
> >effects boxes;
>
> I'm really just putting my thoughts into Edgar here, but a lot of us
> 'older' pickers prefer simply a good guitar, maybe a little effects and an
> amp opposed to a gazillion effects. There's a ton of excellent equipment
> out there, for sure, I just have a gut feeling EF likes his 'the old
> fashioned' way.
That hasn't completely stopped him from modifying his sound. You
have the more 'psychedelic' '70s sound (generally from one of the Gibsons,
usually the Les Pauls), the unique early '80s 'Thief' sound (Hamer
Sunburst), the more 'cultured', slightly howly mid-late-80s sound (from
various axes), and the more wawa-heavy early '90s sound (the 'little
white Steinberger' from 'Hamlet'). So it's not like he NEVER changes,
but just that a change in equipment doesn't always translate into a very
big difference in the sound, depending on how it is set up.
>
> >If I bought a reasonably good guitar (imagining I could play it), I would
> >use it and use it until the fretboard was worn totally flat and even the
> >world's best guitar technicians told me 'Sorry man, this thing's beyond
> >re-stringing'.
>
> Oh, you're right about that! I've got a 56 Telecaster that is on it's third
> fret job, but the other guitars I own are just as important..i.e., the Tele
> sounds nothing like my Gibson 335 (hollow body) so it depends what you're
> doing. Sometimes I only use one for a project, others, I'll take the lot
> with me.
That's a bit different...sounds like you collect *antiques*. ;)
> >
>
> >He does...generally he uses one of the Ibanezes, doesn't he?
>
> You're probably right, I've only seen the 220V vid to get a look.
>
> >Yet another case where, regardless of the axe, it's the same basic sound
> >every time--but instead of Ed's distinctive howl, you get the
> >pseudo-Satriani we all know and love.
>
> We all know the sound...some of us think it's getting long in the tooth.
And nobody has ever accused Ed of this... ;)
> Which seems to support my argument
> >that the axe doesn't matter--it's what you hook it up to that makes all
> >the difference.
>
> I differ with you on this. Yes, with all the racks and boxes you can
> approximate the sound of another guitar, but you know it ain't the real
> thing!
That is probably the biggest knock one could bring against the VG-8.
> Also depends on what you like, some swear by Fender, some Gibson,
> some by others. I'd still like to see EF take a swing at the type of stuff
> he did years gone by. Like Count Basie sez, ' It isn't how many notes you
> play, it's the space in-between.' (I paraphrase).
I'm not sure what you mean...personally I don't miss the 'psychedelic'
sound at all; I much prefer the sounds from the '80s--especially the
Hamer Sunburst ;) ;). Though, it is questionable how well some of these
sounds would suit their current output--I'd love to hear 'Homeless' on
the Sunburst, but trying to hear it in my head, and actually exposing my
ears to that, could be two very different things.
> Mike
Gabe
So what's your favourite TD guitar sound?
I leave you 3 guesses as to mine...
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Hi all,
Pardon the interruption, but I'm selling the following cds - trying to
reduce my collection somewhat. They are all US$8 each. However, if you
buy more than one, the second one is $7, the third and thereafter is $6
each. For instance - 3 cds will be $8 + $7 + $6 or $21. All are in very
good condition. Shipping is included. Again, only US dollars. Please
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Ashra - Correlations
Ashra - Belle Alliance
Bas B. Broekhuis - Escher Drawings
Mark Dwane - Angels, Aliens and Archetypes
Enten Hitti - Giant Clown of the Solar Wind (Amplexus full length cd)
Eno - Thursday Afternoon
Todd Fletcher - Star
Global Communications - Remotion
Greg Klamt - Fluxus Quo
Liquid Mind - Ambience Minimus
Peter Mergener - Passage in Time
Mind Over Matter - In Seach of Eternity
Frank Quasar - Force of Nature
Frank Quasar - Infinity
Frank Quasar - Atmos
Raison D'etre - Enthralled by the Wind of Loneliness
Robert Schroeder - TimeWaves
Software - Electronic Universe Part 1
Software - Electronic Universe Part 2
Software - Space Design
Vidna Obmana - The Transcending Quest (Amplexus 3')
Richard Wahnfried - Time Actor
Richard Wahnfried - Tonwelle
Richard Wahnfried - Trancelation
Stephan Whitlan - Map Reference
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Date: Fri May 15, 1998 11:17
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Subject: Celebrity
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> Really-From: Lambert Ringlage
Blimey... another 'famous' dude turns up! We'll be rivalling Goldtri for
Star Quality soon. :-)
Love your stuff.
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>Ashra - Belle Alliance
>Larry Smith
>TheSmitter@j...
>
>_____________________________________________________________________
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Hello,
I'm interested in Belle Alliance, please let me know if you still
have it for sale.
Martyn Capel
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Subject: albums for sale
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Really-From: NAdams43
pardon the intrusion into the latest conflab, i have for sale the 2 following
albums if anyone is interested.
tangerine dream = dont walk dream now live 78 double lp in tin box
andy pickford = valhalla cdr
please e mail me off list if interested
regards nick
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Really-From: jupe
I update my Homepage of TD and my trade list :
http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/trade.htm
Items of : Neuronium , Michel Huygen , Cosmic Jokers , Tangerine Dream ,
Shroeder , Bernd Kistenmacher , S. Reich, Ashra , Harald Grossskopf,
M. Hoenig , Kitaro , Aviador Dro .........
Regards
Jupe
* ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** * ** *
La PAGINA de TANGERINE DREAM de JUPE
http://www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/home.htm mailto:jupe@c...
New SWAP List 3.0 Nueva Lista de CAMBIO 3.0
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Para participar en la lista en castellano TDfans introduce tu
email en el icono de suscripcion que encontraras en :
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Date: Sat May 16, 1998 11:42
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Subject: 120 Years of E-Music History
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
This wonderful site contains great general
information about every electronic musical instrument
from 1876 to 1990
with pictures and links to extra, more specific
information about each instrument.
http://www.obsolete.com/120_years
Greg H.
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Subject: Re: Jerome's guitar page...
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 11:02 PM 5/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
>That's a bit different...sounds like you collect *antiques*. ;)
Antiques, eh, you whippersnapper!;-) Naw, I just like dem older guitars.
I've had a couple of newer ones but I keep reaching for the old wood.
>
>So what's your favourite TD guitar sound?
Well, while a gazillion notes a minute is fine, I prefer the Norseman's
sound pick a year..any year) to Zlatko, just my taste.
>I leave you 3 guesses as to mine...
Lessee......
Mike
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> Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
> This wonderful site contains great general
> information about every electronic musical instrument
> from 1876 to 1990
> with pictures and links to extra, more specific
> information about each instrument.
>
> http://www.obsolete.com/120_years
owned one. I hate(d) that schmuck (yeah, I spell it with a *c*).
unsubscribe schmuck-digest
E-Maverick
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
>
> > Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> >
> > This wonderful site contains great general
> > information about every electronic musical instrument
> > from 1876 to 1990
> > with pictures and links to extra, more specific
> > information about each instrument.
> >
> > http://www.obsolete.com/120_years
>
> owned one. I hate(d) that schmuck (yeah, I spell it with a *c*).
>
> unsubscribe schmuck-digest
>
> E-Maverick
E-Man,
Are you getting the better half of your scratch and spray
deoderant? heh.. Darn.. my fingers have become obsolete!
Well I guess I can't talk anymore--and the damn machine
dosn't take well to spoken words.. please.. please Papaya,
write words on the screen for me!
N.P: El Lasso--'Gravy Train' yeeeeeeeeha!
Greg H.
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> Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
>
> > > This wonderful site contains great general
> > > information about every electronic musical instrument
> > > from 1876 to 1990
> > >
> > owned one. I hate(d) that schmuck (yeah, I spell it with a *c*).
> >
> > unsubscribe schmuck-digest
>
> E-Man,
>
> Are you getting the better half of your scratch and spray
> deoderant? heh.. Darn.. my fingers have become obsolete!
Whoops! That message should have read: 'Ah...a Casio CZ-101. I knew someone
in high school who... (rest of post). Hehe...and Greg, acknowledge that
email I sent ya! Shhh! Hehe...
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Date: Sun May 17, 1998 1:57
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Subject: New TD CD
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Really-From: Wouter Bessels
Hi Tadremers,
Just read the info that a new TD CD, called 'Vixen', will be released on
June the 8th on TDI.
It seems that we'll have (again) a wonderful summer this year !
I haven't got any other info about it, the official webpage hasn't been
updated since the 23rd of April.
Any other news known about this new CD ??
Best wishes,
Wouter
PS. Tape trees 1 & 2 are successfully treed here in Europe. How about
starting the discussions within a couple of weeks ??
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Subject: Re: New TD CD
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> Really-From: Wouter Bessels
> PS. Tape trees 1 & 2 are successfully treed here in Europe. How about
> starting the discussions within a couple of weeks ??
Not 100%. At least me have not heard a single second of those tapes.
---Francisco
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Really-From: 'Gerry Fox'
Me neither !
Gerry
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>
>
> > Really-From: Wouter Bessels
>
> > PS. Tape trees 1 & 2 are successfully treed here in Europe. How about
> > starting the discussions within a couple of weeks ??
>
> Not 100%. At least me have not heard a single second of those tapes.
>
> ---Francisco
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Subject: RE: Computer equipment for sale
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Date: Mon May 18, 1998 2:04
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Subject: TD Friends
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Really-From: Vic Rek
Dear Dreamers,
Since it's kind of quiet on this list, maybe some of us should introduce
ourselves to others and this list. Many friendships have been made this
way. This could also be a good time to mention special meetings with
Tadream list members that you may have had or are seeking. I've met 7
members from this list in 4 different countries. Each meeting has been
interesting and fun (and always a great experience). This of course doesn't
include the numerous people I communicate via e-mail, fax, and by voice on
the telephone. So please tell us something about yourself. I'm sure
everyone's got a good story...
One almost non-meeting stands out when I set a date to meet with Peter
Stoeferle in Warsaw Poland (he is from Germany and I am from Georgia, USA).
There was some mis-communication as to the time to meet. And worst of all,
I picked a landmark to meet by which just got torn down because they were
building a subway underneath it! So dismayed I walked around the Polish
crowd looking for Peter, then... I see a woman approach me and look me over.
I wonder, then she points me at Peter and he's sporting a little tag with my
name. Well, we made the almost impossible meeting over a cool beer in the
old town square in Warsaw. President Clinton was giving a speech one square
over at the time. Anyway, it was a nice short and sweet chat and we plan to
meet again. BTW, Peter is the editor of Dream Collector - definitely a cool
person!
And then there was this meeting (actually two) with Marcel Engels in
Amsterdam.... heheh, but that's another story for another post! Isn't hat
right Marcel? ;-)
Have a great week!
Vic
NP: Warszawa Wita Was! - CD-R, Warsaw June 13, 1997 Set One! Silver Scale :-)
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Really-From: Armin Theissen
>Since it's kind of quiet on this list, maybe some of us should introduce
>ourselves to others and this list. Many friendships have been made this
>way. This could also be a good time to mention special meetings with
>Tadream list members that you may have had or are seeking. I've met 7
>members from this list in 4 different countries. Each meeting has been
>interesting and fun (and always a great experience). This of course doesn't
>include the numerous people I communicate via e-mail, fax, and by voice on
>the telephone. So please tell us something about yourself. I'm sure
>everyone's got a good story...
>[...]
On the UK tour last year I met some list members I previously met at
the Shepard's Bush gig in London, among them Conrad from Derry/N.Ireland.
Last Thursday I went to the G3 gig in Dublin (Uli Jil Roth, Michael
Schenker Group, and Joe Satriani, my hero!) when all of a sudden in
a break between two gigs, out of the crowd in front of the bar this
guy appeared in a Joe Satriani Tshirt shaking my hand 'Hi Armin'. It
was Conrad.
Seems we TDDreamers have something more in common than just TD but
music taste in general?
And at this stage I'd like to suggest an all-Ireland Tangerine Dream
meeting - North and South, to propagate the peace process.
(ups, no politics here....)
armin
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Subject: Vixen?
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Hmmmm another one??? TD is full of surprises lately...Who knows?
This is the first I've heard of it? What was the source of the info?
What happened to 'Lion's Share'?
MJ
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At 08:26 18-05-98 -0500, Michael A Jean wrote:
>Hmmmm another one??? TD is full of surprises lately...Who knows?
>This is the first I've heard of it? What was the source of the info?
>What happened to 'Lion's Share'?
I got the info from Groove Unlimited, at groove@m... They will have the
CD in stock as soon as it's available.
Cheers,
Wouter.
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Subject: Luminous Vision LD or DVD
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Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
Hello
Earlier the publisher of Luminous Vision seemed to post the release date of
LD and/or DVD. I don't remember the release date. Who knows if a non-video
cassette format is already out?
Jeffrey C. F. Au Yeung
ICQ no. 9326338
'There is no Bodhi tree,
Nor stand of a mirror bright,
Since all is void,
Where can the dust alight?' - Master Wei Lang
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At 03:46 PM 5/18/98 +0200, you wrote:
>Really-From: Wouter Bessels
>
>At 08:26 18-05-98 -0500, Michael A Jean wrote:
>>Hmmmm another one??? TD is full of surprises lately...Who knows?
>>This is the first I've heard of it? What was the source of the info?
>>What happened to 'Lion's Share'?
>
>I got the info from Groove Unlimited, at groove@m... They will have the
>CD in stock as soon as it's available.
I must've hit ... What does Vixen contain?
feldon@p...
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Subject: Re: tape tree 5 structure (preliminary)
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sorry for the delay...if you see any issues, please let me know...tom w
np: add n to x - on the wires of our nerves
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Subject: Important Info for Tape Tree 1/2
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Really-From: Hilmar Kraft
This is a message to everyone expecting DIGITAL material from tape tree 1
and 2.
1) To all people who alreafy sent me their postal addresses: Your CDs have
been sent. Please contact me IMMEDIATELY if you didn't get yours yet
(Francisco doesn't have to reply, I saw his remark on the list already).
2) I am still missing the postal addresses of some people on tree 1/2...you
know who you are, please contact me!
Hilmar
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>Earlier the publisher of Luminous Vision seemed to post the release date of
>LD and/or DVD. I don't remember the release date. Who knows if a non-video
>cassette format is already out?
It's currently out on DVD and VHS. It will be released on Laser Disc via
Image Entertainment on June 3.
Enjoy!
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> And then there was this meeting (actually two) with Marcel Engels in
> Amsterdam.... heheh, but that's another story for another post! Isn't hat
> right Marcel? ;-)
Hahaha, that was certainly a very strange meeting yes, but I'm glad
we did meet.
Those nights in Amsterdam............
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
Rest assured that this is poised ready to start, all the prep work has
been done. As soon as I get tree 3-4 then I'll spark off the discussion.
I hope that everyone with the material is going to take part!
Regards,
Lawry.
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>Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 21:45:10 EDT
>Subject: Re: What Chance?
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: AOutland
>
[Steve Feldman; I said:]
>> Golly jeepers, I guess I plumb went and blew my chances with all
>>(or is that both?) the female subscribers here. They'll never think of
>>me as cyber-eligible again. Boo hoo. ;) Ah, me. X-o
>
> Gee, did you really think you had a chance to begin with?
Uh, no. The way *I* act online--with everyone treated the same,
whether or not I am 'supposed to' be nice to them--women tend not to
warm to my demeanor. ;)
Note that I don't even kiss *Edgar's* ass.
>[. . .] let's keep the discussions gender unspecific if you don't mind.
>The enjoyment of poetry or scenario visioning has nothing to do with
>male/female. [. . .]
'Scenario visioning' maybe, but poetry? Quite a few people consider
poets to be effette by nature, especially if they're male. Politically
correct or no, I'd say that poetry--like flowers--appeals more to women
than men, in general. I don't see anyone giving Dad flowers on Father's
Day . . . or poetry books, for that matter.
>[. . .] For your information, the other half of this discussion is
>male.
Well, seeing as there are some 700 male subscribers to this list
and only two female, that comes as no shocking revelation. (And just
because I said that many consider poets to be effette, doesn't mean
they are--or that if they are, that it's a bad thing.)
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>Really-From: EZWork@H...
>
>Follow this example for the STAGGERING results below:
>
> 1st level -- your 10 members with $5 ($5 x 10) $50
> 2nd level --10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100) $500
> 3rd level -- 10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000) $5,000
> 4th level -- 10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000) $50,000
> THIS TOTALS ---------------->
$55,550
Somewhat later: 100.000+ tight arses never getting their $20 + $3.60 (?)
postage back.
Interestingly this old snowball system is an e-mail virus too. Thanks, that´s
what
mailing lists are for! :-(
Jens
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Really-From: Jens Kilian
[Pyramid scam deleted]
I think it's time to put a filter on the list server which rejects every
message which contains more than ten dollar signs...
Sigh,
Jens (DIE, spammers, DIE!)
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>multilevel businesses,
AKA 'Pyramid Scheme,' illegal in all 50 states. If I'm going to
be involved in an illegal moneymaking scheme, it'll be agricultural. :-)
Scott
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Hey, a spam I might actually use!
Scott
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I just got back from a week on GoldTri. Double message problems
notwithstanding, I found it funny how smug they were about being such an
'intellectual' e-music list, as opposed to Tadream where all the zitty
teenagers hang out. Frankly, I saw very little in the way of 'serious'
discussion. Most of the list recently was taken up with survey of
listmembers' fave albums, with a good dose of self-congratulation for
being such a better list than Tadream. I think not.
One thing positive, though, I finally figured out the story with Elana &
the trout. Apparently if you don't play nice, lunchlady Elana with smack
you with a virtual trout, and there is a separate list where nastygrams
are permitted, entitled 'trout-free.' My, how clever. We have nothing to
worry about.
Scott
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Subject: Re: Luminous Vision LD or DVD
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Steven Churchill wrote :
>>Earlier the publisher of Luminous Vision seemed to post the release date of
>>LD and/or DVD. I don't remember the release date. Who knows if a non-video
>>cassette format is already out?
>
>It's currently out on DVD and VHS. It will be released on Laser Disc via
>Image Entertainment on June 3.
Finally another Laser Disc release :-)
Does anybody know if 'Oasys' is comming out on Laser Disc ?
I refuse to buy the VHS version because of poor sound quality !!
Flemming.
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Subject: Vixen
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Not to suggest that anything posted here was incorrect, but I pulled up ICE
magazine's list of upcoming releases and it listed a release by the band VIXEN
and the title was Tangerine. Coincidence? I think not. Somebody's probably a
tad confused. I know I am at this point.
Can anyone recommend a good shopping spot for imports and TD toons in Austin,
Texas? I just moved!
Thanks,
Alan
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Thank you, Scott, for confirming what most of us here knew was implicitly
true.
TADREAM RULZ MAN! YAAAAHHH!
:-)
Gabe
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> Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
> >Really-From: EZWork@H...
> >
> >Follow this example for the STAGGERING results below:
> >
> > 1st level -- your 10 members with $5 ($5 x 10) $50
> > 2nd level --10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100) $500
> > 3rd level -- 10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000) $5,000
> > 4th level -- 10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000) $50,000
> > THIS TOTALS
----------------> $55,550
>
> Somewhat later: 100.000+ tight arses never getting their $20 + $3.60 (?)
postage back.
> Interestingly this old snowball system is an e-mail virus too. Thanks, that´s
what
> mailing lists are for! :-(
>
> Jens
Oh thanks a lot Jens...I'm trying to get a system going here & you just
spoiled it all. Hehehe.
Dano
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> Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
> >Really-From: EZWork@H...
> >Follow this example for the STAGGERING results below:
> > 1st level -- your 10 members with $5 ($5 x 10) $50
> > 2nd level --10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100) $500
> > 3rd level -- 10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000) $5,000
> > 4th level -- 10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000) $50,000
> Somewhat later: 100.000+ tight arses never getting their $20 + $3.60 (?)
postage back.
> Interestingly this old snowball system is an e-mail virus too. Thanks, that´s
what
> mailing lists are for! :-(
> Jens
You're damm' right - Jens.
Let's do one thing: If everybody who got rubbish like that, is sending
this email back to the sender 50 times (!) he'll think twice doing this
s.... again.
Rainer
(Or send him a kernel-dump from your UNIX-System (if you have one)).
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Dano sez:
>Oh thanks a lot Jens...I'm trying to get a system going here & you just
>spoiled it all. Hehehe.
Oh shit dude, if only I knew that ! ;-)
Well, we´ll still earn a lot of money with that 22 CD TD Live Orgy set. (J/K)
Jens
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>Let's do one thing: If everybody who got rubbish like that, is
sending
>this email back to the sender 50 times (!) he'll think twice
doing this
>s.... again.
>(Or send him a kernel-dump from your UNIX-System (if you have
one)).
Or just ignore it and click 'Delete.' :-)
Here's a riddle for you:
What's worse than a spam?
The responses!
Scott
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>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> Here's a riddle for you:
> What's worse than a spam?
> The responses!
Wrong, Scott. On several occasions providers of spammers got
damaged, floaded, denialed out of service so that they´ve to
include filters and were forced to kick spammers/customers out.
You might like to argue that you confirm your own e-mail address
if replying to a spam, but that´s wrong too, as they know
it anyway.
Jens
np: Amorph (Fanger&Siebert) - Haracirl EP
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At 07:29 AM 5/19/98 +0800, you wrote:
>DEAR ONLINE FRIEND:
>Try it you'll see why. You Have Absolutely Nothing To Lose!
Better yet...everyone on this list send five bucks to me..and I'll send you
a postcard from Puerto Rico.;-)
Mike
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>Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>
>>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>> Here's a riddle for you:
>> What's worse than a spam?
>> The responses!
>
>
>Wrong, Scott. On several occasions providers of spammers got
>damaged, floaded, denialed out of service so that they´ve to
>include filters and were forced to kick spammers/customers out.
>
>You might like to argue that you confirm your own e-mail address
>if replying to a spam, but that´s wrong too, as they know
>it anyway.
>
Jens,
They don't necessarily know it, they would get new addresses from anyone
who replied to this particular spam, because it came to the list, not the
members.
Also, very clever engines exist for generating mail addresses for systems,
when a few 'real' addresses are known....the more info you give a spammer,
the better armed he is against you.
Even your browser will give away your address without telling you to
certain locations. Mine contains 'abuse@n...' as my return:-).
If you want to hurt the spammers, send their mailings to the ISPs they came
from.
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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Subject: thought this might be of interest to somej
Got this from the scifi list today & thought I should pass it on. Hopefully,
some of you will get to participate!
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Wednesday, May 6 @ 9pm ET/6pm PT/2am UK time
*******************************************************************
Log on for The Dominion's third online 'rave' party!
Chat with other sci-fi fans via our java applet while grooving to
streaming videos from Luminous Visions, a collection of breathtaking computer
animation by Japanese video artist Yoichiro Kawaguchi scored with the
music of Tangerine Dream.
For more information and a chance to win a Sony DVD player,
visit:
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For more information about 'Luminous Visions' or other 'Mind's Eye'
video releases, visit:
http://www.sonymusic.com/smv/mindseyepresents/
and http://www.odyssey3d.com/
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jp said:
>They don't necessarily know it, they would get new addresses from anyone
>who replied to this particular spam, because it came to the list, not the
>members.
Mmh, I´d subscribe to a list and send a who to it to get all e-mails
in a bunch. Your point isn´t value, IMO.
>Even your browser will give away your address without telling you to
>certain locations. Mine contains 'abuse@n...' as my return:-).
Means what ? LOL.
>If you want to hurt the spammers, send their mailings to the ISPs they came
>from.
Quite, what he said.
Another possibility would be to attack ns.
with one of the '2600' (a hacker site) methods.
It worked well with the reply_to_every_e-mail bomb we got some month ago
here on tadream. It was a NT box somewhere in Canada, btw. ;-)
Jens
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Subject: FS: Prayer For Quiet Dreams...again!
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Due to a major brain fart in Mr Feldman's head...this CD is still
available if you want it. Cost is $20 postpaid if you are in the US. If
you are not in the US, add $10 for shipping. Lemme know if you are
interested...I apologize for the repost. Please don't email me for what
is on it...it's sealed and there are no visible track titles. Maybe Vic
can post the tracklisting for you....er...or maybe he won't hehe.
Regards,
Dan
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I have spotted a copy of Somnabulistic Imagery here in towm, but the price
is ridiculous. Thus, before I even consider picking it up, I was wondering
if anyone has a track listing, and possibly a review?
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
> I have spotted a copy of Somnabulistic Imagery here in towm, but the price
> is ridiculous. Thus, before I even consider picking it up, I was wondering
> if anyone has a track listing, and possibly a review?
>
> SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
>
> T O P I X / Mad Dog
> http://www.topix.com/~sean
Hey..I was at that show. The show kicked ass...but the boot is
for little else. The track selection is good. I wouldn't pay more than
$20 for this 2-CD set.
Dano
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> Hey..I was at that show. The show kicked ass...but the boot is
> for little else. The track selection is good. I wouldn't pay more than
> $20 for this 2-CD set.
Well, that's good to know. This place is charging the equivalant of twice
that much!
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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Really-From: feldon@p...
It is surprising that more of these CDs that are becoming rare are not
being duped CD -> CDR. I'm sure there are a few CD-Recordable drives on the
list, I know I have one... When the cost of one of these discs rises above
$30, I think it's a good idea to dupe a few copies to keep the supply just
so that no-one is making big money off of it. The idea is to distribute music.
feldon@p...
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Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey)
On Tue, 19 May 1998 09:15:26 -0400, you wrote:
>I just got back from a week on GoldTri. Double message problems
>notwithstanding, I found it funny how smug they were about being such an
>'intellectual' e-music list, as opposed to Tadream where all the zitty
>teenagers hang out. Frankly, I saw very little in the way of 'serious'
>discussion. Most of the list recently was taken up with survey of
>listmembers' fave albums, with a good dose of self-congratulation for
>being such a better list than Tadream. I think not.
>
>One thing positive, though, I finally figured out the story with Elana &
>the trout. Apparently if you don't play nice, lunchlady Elana with smack
>you with a virtual trout, and there is a separate list where nastygrams
>are permitted, entitled 'trout-free.' My, how clever. We have nothing to
>worry about.
>
>Scott
You should have joined gt-troutfree instead. We're having way more fun
ripping each other apart, plus Goldtri members to boot.
Tadream doesn't have much to worry about as long as TD elects to
release a good album for a change.
--
Mike Livsey
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Subject: Re: Intelligence report: none found
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> On Tue, 19 May 1998 09:15:26 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >I just got back from a week on GoldTri. Double message problems
> >notwithstanding, I found it funny how smug they were about being such an
> >'intellectual' e-music list, as opposed to Tadream where all the zitty
> >teenagers hang out. Frankly, I saw very little in the way of 'serious'
> >discussion. Most of the list recently was taken up with survey of
> >listmembers' fave albums, with a good dose of self-congratulation for
> >being such a better list than Tadream. I think not.
> >
> >One thing positive, though, I finally figured out the story with Elana &
> >the trout. Apparently if you don't play nice, lunchlady Elana with smack
> >you with a virtual trout, and there is a separate list where nastygrams
> >are permitted, entitled 'trout-free.' My, how clever. We have nothing to
> >worry about.
> >
> >Scott
Well, you just can't win. Either you are too serious on a newslist or
you are a childish fool babbling and making silly jokes. I say both
lists have several problems. I agree with Mike...go to Troutfree if you
enjoy true freedom. There we can talk about the next best thing to TD or
emusic artists: the idiots & nerds that listen to it all (yes, including
each other). No offense to this list...but how much more can be said
about TD? They don't tour worth a damn, they don't do soundtracks
anymore, they put out two albums a year now IF we're lucky and they
spread their own lies about touring, releases and all sorts of weird
shit. Oh wait, I forgot. We do need this list. I forgot about the fact
that The Keep needs to be discussed more. Silly me.
Dano
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Date: Wed May 20, 1998 6:17
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Subject: 'rave' party
CORRECTION: (someone has been raving too much and sleeping too little...)
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ONLINE 'RAVE' PARTY FEATURING STREAMING VIDEO FROM LUMINOUS VISIONS
Wednesday, May 20 @ 9pm ET/6pm PT/2am UK time
*******************************************************************
Log on for The Dominion's third online 'rave' party!
Chat with other sci-fi fans via our java applet while grooving to
streaming videos from Luminous Visions, a collection of breathtaking computer
animation by Japanese video artist Yoichiro Kawaguchi scored with the
music of Tangerine Dream.
For more information and a chance to win a Sony DVD player,
visit:
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Date: Wed May 20, 1998 5:52
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Subject: Burping Prayer Setlist
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Really-From: 'Marek Mastalerz'
For all whom it may concern, the setlist of 'Prayer Of Quiet Dreams' is as
follows (this is a list of what's really there, not what's listed on
sleeve):
Prayer of Quiet Dreams
[ 1.0] 18:15 Legend
[ 2.0] 3:00 Wavelength
[ 3.0] 5:04 Shy People
[ 4.0] 2:29 Strange Behavior I
[ 5.0] 2:11 Strange Behavior II
[ 6.0] 2:07 Red Heat
[ 7.0] 1:09 Pauline et Lordinateur
[ 8.0] 3:53 Heartbreakers
[ 9.0] 3:52 Geradeaus bis zum Morgen
[10.0] 6:03 Rainbow Drive
[11.0] 5:33 Risky Business
[12.0] 7:21 Backstreet Hero
[13.0] 8:12 Hamlet
-------------
total = 69:15
Marek the Alienist
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> Really-From: feldon@p...
>
> It is surprising that more of these CDs that are becoming rare are not
> being duped CD -> CDR. I'm sure there are a few CD-Recordable drives on the
> list, I know I have one... When the cost of one of these discs rises above
> $30, I think it's a good idea to dupe a few copies to keep the supply just
> so that no-one is making big money off of it. The idea is to distribute music.
Right, 100% agreement.
I don't have that boot, but I've made a digital (DAT) copy from one, so it's
like
I have it.
The boot says it's a digital recording but it's not ( If you listen carefully
you'll hear dropouts and hiss.
On other side, I find this recording too bright, too metallic, so I
downloaded the music to my hard disk and did a digital EQ and put is back to
DAT ( I didn't have CD burner), so now EQ is much more balanced (IMHO).
The end point of this is this: If someone would like to have an improved
version
of this boot i'm willing to trade it.
By the way , I have only the music, not the cover artwork.
--- Francisco
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On 5/15/98 11:02 AM tadream mailing list wrote:
>Er, I didn't think it was available in ANY format, at ANY price,
>or does someone know something I don't?
>
>Steve.
I had a friend who had it on CD. He sold it because he didn't really like
it that much and he didn't bother to tell me he was selling it. I've
never seen it since.... and no, this is not one of them K*** tales
Neal :-)
PS Does anyone know what happened to Joe Doheny (hygar@m...). I
don't have his snail mail address to send his POV CD's too and his email
bounces back. Thanks.
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Subject: Vixen?
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Went over to the Groove Unlimited web site and Vixen was listed as a new
release on June 8. No other info except price--$22.95 US. But, I could not
find a listing on CDNow, MassMusic or RPMRecords. I send Groove an e-mail
to see if there is anything to this. Will let you know if I get a reply.
Frank
n.p.-Quebec 1977
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Subject: spring cleaning :)
> (yet another trade/sell list) been doing some 'spring' cleaning. send
> lists/offers privately
> > TD collection box (gold cds) tyger, poland, best of.
> > alexander square cd single
> > from dawn till dusk cd
> > the park is mine cd
> > the best of the 01/w (VA)
> > quichotte lps, amiga blue labels (most are sealed)
> > Franke PCH promo cd (autograghed)
> > cinema sampler cd (hoenig's X1 etc.)
> > Franke klemania cd (new, front case cracked)
> > yanni promo only cd 2024-2-pp, radio edits, 2 tracks, private music
> > paul H world w/out rules cd (cover 'booklet' missing)
> Jolliffe the japanese way cd
> > I have about 4 of the 01/w cds sealed, I have quite a few quichotte lps
> > new/sealed. all the rest are 1 copy each.
> > gear:
> > proteus fx module
> > alesis mmt8 seq.
> > teac X3R 2 track reel
> > roland s220 w/30+ discs (NEEDS REPAIR!)
>everything's in good/working cond. unless noted.
> > wanted: JS songs no words, any TD SBM's (except tangram, FM, cyclone)
> > TD deadly care, good sounding boot cd's. especially 75-86, froese ages cd.
zinc-green cd, various other stuff (send your list!)
> > gear wanted: synth workstations! :) (or maybe a digital piano) hehe.
later-sorry for the bandwidth.
rr
decapolis
get your goldtri cd's at: http://www.ratfink.demon.co.uk/stonker
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>Wrong, Scott. On several occasions providers of spammers got
>damaged, floaded, denialed out of service so that they´ve to
>include filters and were forced to kick spammers/customers out.
Maybe I should have been more clear. What I meant was the dozen
or so comments on the spam: 'I hate these darn spams,' ad nauseum. This
includes my comments.
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Subject: More Vixen info...
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
I also checked the I.C.E. newsletter...the album TANGERINE by the all
girl heavy metal (well maybe thats a stretch) Vixen is scheduled for
release May 19th on the CMC I'ntl label... I think this is a plausible
explanantion... However, Wouter mentioned TDI specifically...Hmmmm
MJ
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> >If you want to hurt the spammers, send their mailings to the ISPs
> they came
> >from.
>
Or even better, don't buy what they're selling. If they're not
making money at spamming, they won't do it.
Scott
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Subject: RE: Intelligence report: none found
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>Well, you just can't win. Either you are too serious on a
newslist or
>you are a childish fool babbling and making silly jokes. I say
both
>lists have several problems. I agree with Mike...go to
Troutfree if you
It's not that one's too serious, it's that one takes itself too
seriously, and is too convinced of its own superiority.
>enjoy true freedom. There we can talk about the next best thing
to TD or
>emusic artists: the idiots & nerds that listen to it all (yes,
including
>each other). No offense to this list...but how much more can be
said
>about TD? They don't tour worth a damn, they don't do
soundtracks
Well, there was this 4-CD set, the name escapes me now, that had
a t*t on the cover. . .
>anymore, they put out two albums a year now IF we're lucky and
they
>spread their own lies about touring, releases and all sorts of
weird
>shit. Oh wait, I forgot. We do need this list. I forgot about
the fact
>that The Keep needs to be discussed more. Silly me.
You think that's bad, try the Pink Floyd list! They haven't done
squat since '95, so people are _really_ reaching for stuff to talk
about. I like to think of Tadream as a forum for TD fans to discuss
anything, in the context of TD-fandom. What I hated about GoldTri was
their smug self-importance and their insults to certain people on
Tadream. Plus they're hypocritical: they don't tolerate flames, unless
they're directed at someone not on the list.
Scott
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Subject: RE: spring cleaning :)
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> > > the park is mine cd
I might be interested in this, but your message came through
with no 'really from' header. Who are you?
Scott
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> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> What I hated about GoldTri was
> their smug self-importance and their insults to certain people on
> Tadream. Plus they're hypocritical: they don't tolerate flames, unless
> they're directed at someone not on the list.
disappointed to read a recent subscriber (a pro, too, not a fanboy) being
harassed by another GTer for use of essentially harmless language.
Definitely join trout-free, though!
::E::
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Really-From: TWeibre361
In a message dated 98-05-20 10:21:46 EDT, you write:
<< You think that's bad, try the Pink Floyd list! They haven't done
squat since '95, so people are _really_ reaching for stuff to talk
about. >>
huh? what about the issues surrounding the blinking light on the p.u.l.s.e. cd
?
tom w
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can anyone help me with td midi files
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>>
>> I have spotted a copy of Somnabulistic Imagery here in towm, but the
price
>> is ridiculous. Thus, before I even consider picking it up, I was
wondering
>> if anyone has a track listing, and possibly a review?
>>
>> SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
>>
>> T O P I X / Mad Dog
>> http://www.topix.com/~sean
>
>
>Hey..I was at that show. The show kicked ass...but the boot is
>for little else. The track selection is good. I wouldn't pay more than
>$20 for this 2-CD set.
>
>Dano
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On Wed, 20 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: TWeibre361
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>
> np: kw - schone neue welt
Is this a new album, or a boot?
If it's new, is it actually any good?
Gabe
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><< You think that's bad, try the Pink Floyd list! They haven't
done
> squat since '95, so people are _really_ reaching for stuff to
talk
> about. >>
>huh? what about the issues surrounding the blinking light on
the p.u.l.s.e. cd
>
Oh yeah, I forgot about that! That's the reason I re-subbed! :-D
Actually, the ROIO discussion I always enjoy.
Scott
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In a message dated 98-05-20 15:29:23 EDT, you write:
<< Is this a new album, or a boot?
If it's new, is it actually any good? >>
it is a 'compilation NOT authorized by the artists!' but a nice one....
tom w
np: suns of arqa - a brief history
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In a message dated 98-05-20 15:29:26 EDT, you write:
<< Oh yeah, I forgot about that! That's the reason I re-subbed! :-D
Actually, the ROIO discussion I always enjoy.
>>
and the tape trees....
tom w
sp: suns of arqa - a brief history
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>and the tape trees....
I must have damaged that part of my brain in the last fal from
my bike, but I still don't understand how tape trees work. I understand
the structure, but the leaves, don't they get, like, 3rd or 4th
generation tapes? That's fine for DAT or CD-R, but for analog, that
would suck big time!
Scott
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Can anyone recommend a program that will make cassette inserts and allow
illustrations? I'd like to make some nice j-cards for some of my tapes,
and I tried doing it on Word98, but I can't get the text to overlay the
image.
Scott
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>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>Can anyone recommend a program that will make cassette inserts and allow
>illustrations? I'd like to make some nice j-cards for some of my tapes,
>and I tried doing it on Word98, but I can't get the text to overlay the
>image.
Yeah, that´s impossible with da world´s leader of HopeWare's word processor.
Try Paintshop Pro (PSP4) , a shareware prog which can handle the most common
grafix formats. You can overlay grafix and text the way YOU like!
It´ll even work with Word98 if you export the grafix (with text) from PSP4
and load it in your J-Card - template Word document.
Kind Regards
Jens
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: Trout-Free and Freedom
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Re being able to say anything you want on Troutfree, here is an
odd comment from the Trout herself. I sent a copy of my posting about
someone having seen a 1984 KEEP Cassette to her, and she said that the
folks at Troutfree (which I'd never heard of) would probably like to
know about. I submitted my subscription request, and go this:
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:56:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Elana who?
Subject: Re: An Eyewitness to the 1984 THE KEEP Cassette
To: Steven Feldman
Message-ID:
BTW, there is only ONE sacred rule in Goldtri... NO CROSSPOSTING TO ANY
OTHER LIST. *EVER*. Warn any others who ask you about it.
All else on Troutfree is happy, majorly rule-free anarchy.
Have fun! :)
-Elana
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>Can anyone recommend a program that will make cassette inserts and allow
>illustrations? I'd like to make some nice j-cards for some of my tapes,
>and I tried doing it on Word98, but I can't get the text to overlay the
>image.
Yeah, that´s impossible with da world´s leader of HopeWare's word
processor.
Try Paintshop Pro (PSP4) , a shareware prog which can handle the most
common
grafix formats. You can overlay grafix and text the way YOU like!
It´ll even work with Word98 if you export the grafix (with text) from PSP4
and load it in your J-Card - template Word document.
Kind Regards
Jens
----------
You can also use any kind of Photoshop rip-off which allows
text overlaying graphics. You can also make the text part
of the graphic, which allows any special-fx on the text you may
want.
One other idea, and this one is for desperate people--print
your graphic on the j-card, put the printed j-card back into
the printer, use a new j-card template and just put in text.
The printer will print the text over the graphic image-- make
sure everything is aligned the way you want it!
This works well on inkjet printers, I'm not sure what output
medium you have.. I think it should work with lasers too.
Greg H.
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: KEEP LD Commentary Wanted on Audio and/or Video Tape
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Sigh. I didn't want to re-post the following to this list, but
since I haven't heard back from anyone on the KEEP Mailing List . . .
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
Date: Fri, 15 May 98 15:48:48 EDT
From: KEEP Mailing List
Subject: KEEP List>Who Has the KEEP LD w/ the Commentary Track?
To: [list of addressees removed to save bandwidth]
Hi,
I forgot, who was it who told me they'd be able to get a copy of
the commentary track from the recent KEEP laserdisk? I am pursuing
getting a CD-R set made that would be a best-of-THE KEEP affair which
would include relevant passages (or all) of the commentary track from
the laserdisk.
If enough people care, I could take down the names of those who
would actually want a copy of the resultant set (and no, it won't
cost $135 like that recent RISKY BUSINESS set mentioned on the tadream
list).
-- Steven Feldman
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
| 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein |
| 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me |
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>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> Re being able to say anything you want on Troutfree, here is an
>odd comment from the Trout herself. I sent a copy of my posting about
>someone having seen a 1984 KEEP Cassette to her, and she said that the
>folks at Troutfree (which I'd never heard of) would probably like to
>know about.
Oi, Stevo, NO! Troutfree is KEEPfree as well. ;-)
Speaking of said OST, do you already know that there was
a 2MC boot available in the early 90's ?
Frits of KLEM fame reviewed it in an old KLEM mag, it was quite expensive as
he said, btw.
On another note, my last comment on gt-troutfree/goldtri.
There´s no competition between this list and the mentioned,
if you wanna have information about Tangerine Dream use
this list, it´s the best source you can get for free.
If you fancy discussing other em choose either space music,
gt-troutfree/goldtri or ambient at hyperreal.
Goldtri got an awful lot of traffic (a lot of bollocks included) recently,
it's still fun and some folks there are very kind and helpful
as well as the folks on this list.
I'm here AND there to have fun. :-)
Jens
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: Early 90's 2MC KEEP Boot in Old KLEM Magazine
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>Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:39:51 +0200
>Subject: Re: Trout-Free and Freedom/KEEP content
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Jens Peschke
>
>Oi, Stevo, NO! Troutfree is KEEPfree as well. ;-)
>Speaking of said OST, do you already know that there was
>a 2MC boot available in the early 90's ?
No, but I had (and have) a 1MC boot from the early 90's that is
very tinny and runs slower than the music that appears on the two KEEP
CD boots (the Blue Moon boot and the COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP CD-R).*
Seeing as the CD-R was made around 1994, perhaps this 2MC was the source
material for the CD-R???
(*It's a long story, but I got it indirectly from Chris Young--the guy
who did the music to HELLBOUND: HELLRAISER II--from a guy near my home
who was friends with him. Young was in California while the other two
folks were in Rhode Island. The only other person I know of who knew
about this version of the KEEP outtake sessions on a cassette tape was
Peter Grygorcewicz.)
>Frits of KLEM fame reviewed it in an old KLEM mag, it was quite
>expensive as he said, btw.
X-0 This is the first time I've ever heard anything about this.
Heh, it is rather amusing to see *yet another* bit of KEEP-related
info appear for the first time on this list--further proving that the
folk (that's 'folk' used collectively) here do *not* know everything
there is to know about TD; they are legends in their own minds. ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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| 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me |
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY
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Folks,
The following are entries I am shaky about that I am going to ask
about here before I post the entire updated TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY here:
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
TANGERINE DREAM POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 7.5 excerpts:
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| KEY: the first number indicates quality level: 1 for worst, 10 for best |
| --the 2nd number refers to the year; e.g., 70 indicates a 1970 release. |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
? 98 LION'S SHARE
ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK RECORDINGS:
3 97 JIM & PABLO: DER METEOR (child's story dramatized in German; music by TD)
- 98 LUMINOUS VISIONS (video sndtrck; comes w/ free CD [not sold separately])
? TRANSSIBERIA
COMPILATIONS:
- 96 ATMOSPHERICS [similar to the FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK compilation]
9 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of 95 rel has diff cover and a 2nd disk)
? THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set, with one all-new CD)
- TANGERINE DREAM (all of PHAEDRA, 'Rubycon Pt. 1,' STRATOSFEAR title track
- 97 THE BRICK (ROCKOON, 220 V, TURN, TYRANNY & D MIXES in a box w/ a poster)
7 97 TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II (remixes various tunes, not specific tracks)
- 98 ASTRAL LANDSCAPES (2-CD set)
- THE ANALOGUE SPACE YEARS (UK 2-CD comp. w/ slipcase and ltd. ed. poster)
- THE PINK YEARS
- THE BLUE YEARS
CHRISTOPH(ER) FRANKE (1971-1989) solos:
5 97 BABYLON 5, VOLUME 2: MESSAGES FROM EARTH (TV soundtrack)
? TRANSFORMATION OF MIND (narration by Deepak Chopra, music by Franke)
? BABYLON 5: A LATE DELIVERY FROM AVALON (1st TV ep. sndtrck; SI/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: Z'HA'DUM (2nd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
? BABYLON 5: SHADOW DANCING (3rd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: SEVERED DREAMS (4th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: WALKABOUT (5th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
? 98 THE BEST OF BABYLON 5 (enhanced CD from B5 ENCYCL. CD-ROM; 2 unrel. trax)
? BABYLON 5: FALL OF NIGHT (6th? TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: INTERLUDES AND EXAMINATIONS (7th? TV ep. sndtrck; SI/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: INTO THE FIRE (8th? TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: NO SURRENDER NO RETREAT (9th? TV ep. sndtrck; Sonic I/fn club)
? BABYLON 5: FACE OF THE ENEMY (10th? TV ep. sndtrck; Sonic Images/fn club)
? BABYLON 5: THE RAGGED EDGE (11th? TV ep. sndtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
COMA VIRUS
? 96 HIDDEN
? 97 DE UMBRIS IDEARUM (on the Side Effects label)
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Subject: Re: Trout-Free and Freedom
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Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey)
On Wed, 20 May 98 17:03:47 EDT, you wrote:
>BTW, there is only ONE sacred rule in Goldtri... NO CROSSPOSTING TO ANY
>OTHER LIST. *EVER*. Warn any others who ask you about it.
>
>All else on Troutfree is happy, majorly rule-free anarchy.
>
We cross-post all the time, but never (save the odd fubar) back to
Goldtri as that's Elana's world. There are no rules on Troutfree since
no one's moderating it. If Elana ever sticks her nose in there and
tries to control what's going on, the list will die in minute as we'll
start our own without her.
Regards.
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Mike Livsey
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Date: Thu May 21, 1998 12:26
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Subject: J-Cards
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Hi, all!
The best program for J-cards is Adobe Pagemaker. Only problem is, if you
don't have a PS printer, you cannot position text upside-down. At least in my
version. I've made some kick-butt cards though, with this program.
--
Brian Frick
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Subject: Trabbi Goes to Hollywood
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Really-From: Vic Rek
This may be old news, but new for me. I picked up a soundtrack titled
'Trabbi Goes to Hollywood' because I heard rumors that it contained Chris
Franke music. Well, the outside cover or the CD states nothing about Franke
until you open the booklet and there you have it: 'Somewhere Over the Wall
- Soundtrack' by C. Franke with an impressive running time of 0:53 (seconds
that is) ;-)
The release I have is a German one on Phonogram/Mercury 848 888-2 released
in 1991. There are a total of 19 tracks which include Yello, David Knopfler,
Nina Hagen, any some others. There is also Ulf Krueger? Hmmm, I wonder who
he is...
Vic
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Subject: Re: Cassette inserts
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At 04:32 PM 5/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>Can anyone recommend a program that will make cassette inserts and allow
>illustrations? I'd like to make some nice j-cards for some of my tapes,
>and I tried doing it on Word98, but I can't get the text to overlay the
>image.
Heh. you need Macromedia Freehand or Adobe Photoshop. Well, those are
certainly the high-end programs...
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Subject: Re: Tape trees (Was: RE: Intelligence report: none found)
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At 04:27 PM 5/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> >and the tape trees....
>
> I must have damaged that part of my brain in the last fal from
>my bike, but I still don't understand how tape trees work. I understand
>the structure, but the leaves, don't they get, like, 3rd or 4th
>generation tapes? That's fine for DAT or CD-R, but for analog, that
>would suck big time!
Yep. That's how it works. The quality goes down considerably. I wouldn't
mind doing CD-Rs for $8 each of strictly UNRELEASED music from the master
discs... If someone wants to organize something like this, let me know...
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Subject: Re: Cassette inserts
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On Wed, 20 May 1998 22:49:44 -0500, you wrote:
>>Can anyone recommend a program that will make cassette inserts and allow
>>illustrations? I'd like to make some nice j-cards for some of my tapes,
>>and I tried doing it on Word98, but I can't get the text to overlay the
>>image.
>
>Heh. you need Macromedia Freehand or Adobe Photoshop. Well, those are
>certainly the high-end programs...
>
Go to Microsoft's site and download the MS Publisher trial. I make CD
inserts using it, and I'm sure there wouldn't be any problem dealing
with cassettes.
--
Mike Livsey
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>
>Can anyone recommend a program that will make cassette inserts and allow
>illustrations? I'd like to make some nice j-cards for some of my tapes,
>and I tried doing it on Word98, but I can't get the text to overlay the
>image.
>
CaseLinr (Shareware)
Microsoft Publisher 97
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Subject: Re: Cassette inserts
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Really-From: Neal McAuley
On 5/20/98 8:31 PM tadream mailing list wrote:
>Can anyone recommend a program that will make cassette inserts and allow
>illustrations? I'd like to make some nice j-cards for some of my tapes,
>and I tried doing it on Word98, but I can't get the text to overlay the
>image.
>
>Scott
I'd highly recommend 'The Ultimate Label Printer Pro'. It does everything
under the sun and since it's extensible, you can add plug-ins to fit your
needs. The author of the program will create any plug-ins you require
once you register the program. It was worth every cent of the $20
shareware fee. I'm fairly sure it's available for both Mac and PC. The
URL is:
http://www.aspenmall.com/software/lpp.html
Hope this helps,
Neal
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> Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey)
>
> Go to Microsoft's site and download the MS Publisher trial. I make CD
> inserts using it, and I'm sure there wouldn't be any problem dealing
> with cassettes.
> --
> Mike Livsey
Yep, I also made my CD inserts with Publisher. Very easy program,
has a cd layout and also cassette inserts in it etc.
Marcel
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Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
> From: Elana who?
> Subject: Re: An Eyewitness to the 1984 THE KEEP Cassette
> To: Steven Feldman
> Message-ID:
>
> BTW, there is only ONE sacred rule in Goldtri... NO CROSSPOSTING TO ANY
> OTHER LIST. *EVER*. Warn any others who ask you about it.
Is this really true? does she own the copyright over gold-tri messages?
Amazing, that lady is becoming a little banana country dictator!
---francisco
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Subject: ELECTRONIC ORGY
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Does anyone else besides me have this CD box set? Would like to talk with
someone who does and hear your opinion!
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Subject: Near Dark
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I saw the S/T in a local shop this morning if anyone has been searching
for it....
MJ
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Subject: Not necessarily for Dreamers
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Really-From: 'Marek Mastalerz'
Hallo all,
for a few days I've been exchanging messages with a guy interested in Klaus
Schulze (some might dimly remember his purported connection to TD, but
IMNSVHO (in my not so very honest opinion) the boys gave peace a chance
throwing him overboard. Sometimes KS is good, but sometimes just schizaster
(my term, guess what I mean).
Anyway, just today I got the latest catalogue of Mario Schonwalder,
musician, owner of Manikin Records, the label that publishes also KS. He
sells also discs by other performers and labels. Anyway, now the Manikin
Records has a Web page:
http://www.manikin.de
and an E-mail adress:
manikinms@a...
To boot, he has 'Macula Transfer' and practically all Klaus Schulze discs,
with the exception of 'Silver', 'Historic', 'Jubilee Editions' and 'Le
Moulin de Daudet' (which I just managed to find a few days ago).
Happy hunting,
Marek the Alienist
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Date: Thu May 21, 1998 2:15
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Subject: Epsilon
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> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 01:22:21 -0000
> Subject: Re: search EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE
>
> -
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>
> On 5/15/98 11:02 AM tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> >Er, I didn't think it was available in ANY format, at ANY price,
> >or does someone know something I don't?
> >
> >Steve.
>
> I had a friend who had it on CD. He sold it because he didn't really like
> it that much and he didn't bother to tell me he was selling it. I've
> never seen it since.... and no, this is not one of them K*** tales
>
> Neal :-)
Sorry about not being quite up-to-date (the curse of digest
mode), but is this really the plain Edgar Epsilon in
Malaysian Pale you are talking about? I never realised it
was rare or hard to obtain in any way - I got it from a
record shop in Berwick Street, London, for a civil price of
about £10. I like it a bit too much to give it away, though.
Dennis
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> Does anyone else besides me have this CD box set? Would like to talk with
> someone who does and hear your opinion!
It's DA BOMB! :-)
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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Subject: Music to listen before death
Hello,
I have a weird hypothetical question to ask, in case you guys are not offended.
If you are about to die (you are warned before, don't blame me) in a few minutes (or it can be extend to a maximum of half an hour), and if you are allowed to choose to listen to a piece of music before you die peacefully ('peacefully' emphasised, in the sense of no pain), what piece of music will you choose to end your life?
2 further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its complete full length and then you die; in situation 2), only part (say half) of it is played and then you have to die immediately.
My answer to 1) is that my choice will be TD's Stratosfear (original 76 version). Will enjoy the last moments of being carried up and down and then end my life when the song fades out gradually with the harpsicord-like sound. That is quite a beautiful ending.
My answer to 2) will be Eno's 'Thursday Afternoon'. As the music just goes on and on rather quietly with very subtle variation, I guess this way I will die quite comfortably without feeling that my life ends too abruptly.
Wonder if anybody thinks about it before, no matter how bizarre.
JeffreyICQ no. 9326338
'There is no Bodhi tree,Nor stand of a mirror bright,Since all is void,Where can the dust alight?' - Master Wei Lang
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The Disneyland Main Street Electrical Parade Theme. It never
ends and annoys everyone.
> Hello,
>
> I have a weird hypothetical question to ask, in case you guys are not
> offended.
>
> If you are about to die (you are warned before, don't blame me) in a
> few minutes (or it can be extend to a maximum of half an hour), and if
> you are allowed to choose to listen to a piece of music before you die
> peacefully ('peacefully' emphasised, in the sense of no pain), what
> piece of music will you choose to end your life?
>
> 2 further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its
> complete full length and then you die; in situation 2), only part (say
> half) of it is played and then you have to die immediately.
>
> My answer to 1) is that my choice will be TD's Stratosfear (original
> 76 version). Will enjoy the last moments of being carried up and down
> and then end my life when the song fades out gradually with the
> harpsicord-like sound. That is quite a beautiful ending.
>
> My answer to 2) will be Eno's 'Thursday Afternoon'. As the music just
> goes on and on rather quietly with very subtle variation, I guess this
> way I will die quite comfortably without feeling that my life ends too
> abruptly.
>
> Wonder if anybody thinks about it before, no matter how bizarre.
>
> Jeffrey
> ICQ no. 9326338
> 'There is no Bodhi tree,
> Nor stand of a mirror bright,
> Since all is void,
> Where can the dust alight?' - Master Wei Lang
>
>
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In a message dated 98-05-20 16:29:30 EDT, you write:
<< Can anyone recommend a program that will make cassette inserts and allow
illustrations? I'd like to make some nice j-cards for some of my tapes,
and I tried doing it on Word98, but I can't get the text to overlay the
image. >>
im kinda partial to wintaper myself...
tom w
np: locust - morning light
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here it is...tom w
np: locust - morning light
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>
> > Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> > From: Elana who?
> > Subject: Re: An Eyewitness to the 1984 THE KEEP Cassette
> > To: Steven Feldman
> > Message-ID:
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> > BTW, there is only ONE sacred rule in Goldtri... NO CROSSPOSTING TO ANY
> > OTHER LIST. *EVER*. Warn any others who ask you about it.
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> Is this really true? does she own the copyright over gold-tri messages?
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> Amazing, that lady is becoming a little banana country dictator!
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> ---francisco
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>2 further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its
complete full length >and then you die;
Easy! 'This is the song that doesn't end, yes it goes on and on
my friend. . . ' :-)
Scott
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>2 further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its
complete full length >and then you die; in situation 2), only part (say
half) of it is played and then you >have to die immediately.
>
How about The Doors' 'The End'?
Scott
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Hi there,
that´s from http://www.manikin.de
-----------------------------------------
MACULA TRANSFER will
be limited!
we must stop the repressing of this
cd, because they are troubles with
the given license (not our mistake!).
so order now one of the last
copies!
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HUGE ta to Edgar !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jens
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In a message dated 98-05-21 13:57:46 EDT, you write:
<< How about The Doors' 'The End'?
>>
nico's version is more funeral, imo....
tom w
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I use Micrographic Picture Publisher 6.0
Really good, you can add layers pf pictures and text with adjustable
transparency level, all sorts of image manipulation transformation and effx,
a lot of ways of doing text.
and very cheap this days ( it comes bundled with many brands of scanners, by
the way)
so my advice: use a good graphics package.
francisco
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> Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
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> tadream mailing list wrote:
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> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
> > Is this really true? does she own the copyright over gold-tri messages?
> > Amazing, that lady is becoming a little banana country dictator!
> >
> > ---francisco
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----Original Message-----
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>further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its
>complete full length >and then you die;
anything on 8-track, I don't want to die!
>in situation 2), only part (say half) of it is played and then you
>have to die immediately.
Boot Skoot'n Boogie (line dance song), I would welcome death!
joel
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My choice would have to be what remains my very favourite piece of music
on the face of the planet--Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor (BWV 582) by
J.S. Bach.
Gabe
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> >further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its
> >complete full length >and then you die;
Either 'Kung-Fu Fighting' or K.C.'s 'Get Down Tonight,' because then you
*will* want to die...!
E-Man
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> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
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>
> My choice would have to be what remains my very favourite piece of music
> on the face of the planet--Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor (BWV 582) by
> J.S. Bach.
Bach rocks! I treasure highly my double-disc sets of bach's organ fugues
(cue many-an-'organ'-joke from Dano...;-)
E
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Hello!
I have and am selling 'le moulin de Daudet' for who wants it...
Greetings
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In a message dated 98-05-21 15:07:45 EDT, you write:
<< > >further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its
> >complete full length >and then you die;
Either 'Kung-Fu Fighting' or K.C.'s 'Get Down Tonight,' because then you
*will* want to die...! >>
hehe...this is an even more interesting thread: music you'd kill to
stop...victim # 1: sinead o'connor's 'nothing compares to you'....
tom w
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> Really-From: TWeibre361
>
> << > >further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its
> > >complete full length >and then you die;
>
> Either 'Kung-Fu Fighting' or K.C.'s 'Get Down Tonight,' because then you
> *will* want to die...! >>
>
> hehe...this is an even more interesting thread: music you'd kill to
> stop...victim # 1: sinead o'connor's 'nothing compares to you'....
Great inversion of the thread, Tom! Here's my entry: that new rap tune that
incorporates the theme from 'Knightrider'!!!!!!!!!!
E-Man
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> hehe...this is an even more interesting thread: music you'd kill to
> stop...victim # 1: sinead o'connor's 'nothing compares to you'....
I have a webpage devoted to this topic. I call it 'The Jukebox From Hell'
http://www.topix.com/~sean/worst_songs.htm
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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> In a message dated 98-05-21 15:07:45 EDT, you write:
>
> << > >further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its
> > >complete full length >and then you die;
>
> Either 'Kung-Fu Fighting' or K.C.'s 'Get Down Tonight,' because then
> you
> *will* want to die...! >>
>
>
> hehe...this is an even more interesting thread: music you'd kill to
> stop...victim # 1: sinead o'connor's 'nothing compares to you'....
>
I'd vote for anything by Boys to Men or the Macarena.
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> Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
>
>
>
> > In a message dated 98-05-21 15:07:45 EDT, you write:
> >
> > << > >further assumptions: in situation 1), the music will play its
> > > >complete full length >and then you die;
> >
> > Either 'Kung-Fu Fighting' or K.C.'s 'Get Down Tonight,' because then
> > you
> > *will* want to die...! >>
> >
> >
> > hehe...this is an even more interesting thread: music you'd kill to
> > stop...victim # 1: sinead o'connor's 'nothing compares to you'....
Backstreet Boys 'My Heart' (or whatever the hell it's called)
Hanson's 'Mmm Bop' That just has to go.
Vanilla Ice 'Ice Ice Baby' peice o carp.
Greg H.
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At 09:44 19980521- -0700, tadream mailing list wrote:
>Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
>
>
> The Disneyland Main Street Electrical Parade Theme. It never
>ends and annoys everyone.
There's a group of demented LA people who are going to resurrect this
puppy and parade a loosely (emphasis on the loose) bastardized version till
it kills every one, the batteries wear out or the participants at this
years Burning Man Festival pull the plug on the music (which is loosely
based on the theme replete with all sorts of samples)
my $0.02
see i told you no TD!
Pete
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At 09:44 19980521- -0700, tadream mailing list wrote:
>Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
>
>
> The Disneyland Main Street Electrical Parade Theme. It never
>ends and annoys everyone.
There's a group of demented LA people who are going to resurrect this
puppy and parade a loosely (emphasis on the loose) bastardized version till
it kills every one, the batteries wear out or the participants at this
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my $0.02
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> > hehe...this is an even more interesting thread: music you'd kill to
> > stop...victim # 1: sinead o'connor's 'nothing compares to you'....
Having gone to quite a few weddings and anniversaries (and my first
bar mitvah last weekend) over the years, here are songs that never
fail to induce blood lust.
Village People - 'YMCA'
Buster Poindexter - 'Hot Hot Hot' (Satan's gonna love getting him in
Hell)
'The Electric Slide'
'The Chicken Dance'
Billy Ray Cyrus (DIE!) - 'Achy Breaky Heart'
Danzig - 'Last Caress'
Just makin' sure you were paying attention.
-B. Kirby
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Since no one has responded yet, and since this post is a heck of
a lot more important than talking about non-TD music fit or not fit to
die to, here it is again, to prod a response. (And by that, I mean a
constructive response leading to elucidation, not a snide retort or a
jeer.) If anyone feels that any of the information below is incorrect
and/or could use some clarification and/or elaboration, please let me
know.
I have given two different entries for the B5 episode CDs. The
first version is the one I had before visiting the Sonic Images web
site, while the second version is from after visiting it.
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Folks,
The following are entries I am shaky about that I am going to ask
about here before I post the entire updated TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY here:
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
TANGERINE DREAM POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 7.5 excerpts:
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| KEY: the first number indicates quality level: 1 for worst, 10 for best |
| --the 2nd number refers to the year; e.g., 70 indicates a 1970 release. |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
? 98 LION'S SHARE [name of issuing label: is it only TDI, or Sequel, too???]
ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK RECORDINGS:
3 97 JIM & PABLO: DER METEOR (child's story dramatized in German; music by TD)
- 98 LUMINOUS VISIONS (video sndtrck; comes w/ free CD [not sold separately])
? TRANSSIBERIA [is this the correct name for this soundtrack???]
COMPILATIONS:
- 96 ATMOSPHERICS [similar to the FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK compilation]
9 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of 95 rel has diff cover and a 2nd disk)
? THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set, with one all-new CD)
- TANGERINE DREAM (all of PHAEDRA, 'Rubycon Pt. 1,' STRATOSFEAR title track
- 97 THE BRICK (ROCKOON, 220 V, TURN, TYRANNY & D MIXES in a box w/ a poster)
7 97 TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II (remixes various tunes, not specific tracks)
- 98 ASTRAL LANDSCAPES (2-CD set) [name of issuing label???]
- THE ANALOGUE SPACE YEARS (UK 2-CD comp. w/ slipcase and ltd. ed. poster)
- THE PINK YEARS [name of issuing label???]
- THE BLUE YEARS d8ame of issuing label???]
CHRISTOPH(ER) FRANKE (1971-1989) solos:
5 97 BABYLON 5, VOLUME 2: MESSAGES FROM EARTH (TV soundtrack)
? TRANSFORMATION OF MIND (narration by Deepak Chopra, music by Franke)
? BABYLON 5: A LATE DELIVERY FROM AVALON (1st TV ep. sndtrck; SI/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: Z'HA'DUM (2nd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
? BABYLON 5: SHADOW DANCING (3rd TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: SEVERED DREAMS (4th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: WALKABOUT (5th TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
? 98 THE BEST OF BABYLON 5 (enhanced CD from B5 ENCYCL. CD-ROM; 2 unrel. trax)
? BABYLON 5: FALL OF NIGHT (6th? TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: INTERLUDES AND EXAMINATIONS (7th? TV ep. sndtrck; SI/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: INTO THE FIRE (8th? TV ep. soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: NO SURRENDER NO RETREAT (9th? TV ep. sndtrck; Sonic I/fn club)
? BABYLON 5: FACE OF THE ENEMY (10th? TV ep. sndtrck; Sonic Images/fn club)
? BABYLON 5: THE RAGGED EDGE (11th? TV ep. sndtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
[does anyone know if these last six B5 disks correspond to B5 eps. 6-11???]
? TARZAN AND THE LOST CITY [name of issuing label???]
||| LISTING FOR B5 CDs AFTER HAVING VISITED THE SONIC IMAGES WEB SITE: |||
? 97 BABYLON 5: SEVERED DREAMS (show #310 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: A LATE DELIVERY FROM AVALON (show #312 soundtrck; SI/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: WALKABOUT (show #318 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
? BABYLON 5: SHADOW DANCING (show #321 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: Z'HA'DUM (show #322 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
? 98 THE BEST OF BABYLON 5 (enhanced CD from B5 ENCYCL. CD-ROM; 2 unrel. trax)
? BABYLON 5: FALL OF NIGHT (show #222 sndtrck; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
? BABYLON 5: INTERLUDES AND EXAMINATIONS (show #315 soundtrck; SI/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: INTO THE FIRE (show #406 sndtrck; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
? BABYLON 5: NO SURRENDER, NO RETREAT (show #415 sndtrck; Sonic I/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: FACE OF THE ENEMY (show #417 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fn club)
? BABYLON 5: THE RAGGED EDGE (show #513 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
[and while we're here, anyone care to explain the show's numbering system???]
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
COMA VIRUS
? 96 HIDDEN [name of issuing label???]
? 97 DE UMBRIS IDEARUM (on the Side Effects label)
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In a message dated 98-05-21 14:17:09 EDT, you write:
<< Hi there,
that´s from http://www.manikin.de
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MACULA TRANSFER will
be limited!
we must stop the repressing of this
cd, because they are troubles with
the given license (not our mistake!).
so order now one of the last
copies!
------------------------------------------
HUGE ta to Edgar !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jens >>
Whatever happened to the Virgin CD release of this album?
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Really-From: Elana who?
Any questions related to Babylon 5 episodes can be answered at the
Lurker's Guide to B5 at www.midwinter.com.
BTW... I have been unsubscribed from Tadream for about 5-6 months now.
so if anyone has any questions for me, Cc to elana@n... like Steve
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On Thu, 21 May 1998 18:07:10 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>BTW... I have been unsubscribed from Tadream for about 5-6 months now.
>so if anyone has any questions for me, Cc to elana@n... like Steve
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>-Elana
Talking to Elana is like talking to a dead microphone anyways since I
don't think her head/ego could fit in a soundproof booth. But this is
more likely a discussion for Troutfree than here, assuming I can
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Regards.
NP: JMJ - Music For Supermarkets
--
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In a message dated 98-05-21 12:52:20 EDT, you write:
<< Really-From: Glenn Reinicke
The Disneyland Main Street Electrical Parade Theme. It never
ends and annoys everyone.
>>
or 100 Bottles of Beer on the Wall; you'll be glad to die long before it
ends. Dell
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I sent this e-mail yesterday and I have not received it. Maybe my server
was down or etc, etc, but here it goes again...
This may be old news, but new for me. I picked up a soundtrack titled
'Trabbi Goes to Hollywood' because I heard rumors that it contained Chris
Franke music. Well, the outside cover or the CD states nothing about Franke
until you open the booklet and there you have it: 'Somewhere Over the Wall
- Soundtrack' by C. Franke with an impressive running time of 0:53 (seconds
that is) ;-)
The release I have is a German one on Phonogram/Mercury 848 888-2 released
in 1991. There are a total of 19 tracks which include Yello, David Knopfler,
Nina Hagen, any some others. There is also Ulf Krueger? Hmmm, I wonder who
he is...
Vic
PS. And a few comments on some other posts:
----
What Shall I Die to (for?):
Jeez Jeffrey, I thought your life was going quite well lately, why the dark
thoughts ;-)
But I answered this question many years ago. It would be Pink Floyd's movie
The Valley with the soundtrack Obscured by Clouds (at the end when.. I won't
tell). In the TD realm, it would be Froese's Epsilon in Malaysian Pale....
----
Troutfree:
And BTW, please don't comment on Elana to this list, it makes no sense. It's
always best to meet your friend or foe in person and hash out the situation.
The world would be a better place if more people did this. :-)
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I'm amazed nobody has nominated 'My Heart Will Go On'!
Here's vote #1...
Gabe
who thinks that yeah, Celine DOES have a nice voice, she just sings cr*p
with it.
(and I still think she could make a positive difference to some TD songs,
if given the chance. But no, she wouldn't try, bacause she could tell
right off they do not have Top 40 potential...)
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I sent this e-mail yesterday and I have not received it. Maybe my server
was down or etc, etc, but here it goes again...
This may be old news, but new for me. I picked up a soundtrack titled
'Trabbi Goes to Hollywood' because I heard rumors that it contained Chris
Franke music. Well, the outside cover or the CD states nothing about Franke
until you open the booklet and there you have it: 'Somewhere Over the Wall
- Soundtrack' by C. Franke with an impressive running time of 0:53 (seconds
that is) ;-)
The release I have is a German one on Phonogram/Mercury 848 888-2 released
in 1991. There are a total of 19 tracks which include Yello, David Knopfler,
Nina Hagen, any some others. There is also Ulf Krueger? Hmmm, I wonder who
he is...
Vic
PS. And a few comments on some other posts:
----
What Shall I Die to (for?):
Jeez Jeffrey, I thought your life was going quite well lately, why the dark
thoughts ;-)
But I answered this question many years ago. It would be Pink Floyd's movie
The Valley with the soundtrack Obscured by Clouds (at the end when.. I won't
tell). In the TD realm, it would be Froese's Epsilon in Malaysian Pale....
----
Troutfree:
And BTW, please don't comment on Elana to this list, it makes no sense. It's
always best to meet your friend or foe in person and hash out the situation.
The world would be a better place if more people did this. :-)
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Really-From: Tdune
>Whatever happened to the Virgin CD release of this album?
It'll surely be released AFTER their THE KEEP release.8-[>]
AFAIK the virgin 'Macula Transfer' release will offer remixes instead
of the original versions, I could be wrong, though,
wouldn´t be neither the first nor the last time. ;-)
Jens
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What's this nonsense about 'Epsilon ...' NOT being available on
cd.........I've had one for years - indeed - I bought a second copy for
my uncle in New Zealand - his house is surrounded by acres of greenery - and
in the morning all you hear are the damn crickets (or some other insect-like
creatures) making this natural din. I thought he'd appreciate the natural
sounds of 'Epsilon'......maybe I'd best retrieve it when I manage to afford
to visit him in years to come?
Ash
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tadream mailing list wrote:
>
> Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
(...)
>
> [and while we're here, anyone care to explain the show's numbering system???]
>
The first number (the hundread digit) refers to the season, the other
two to the episode serial number. Thus #417 is the 17th episode of
the fourth season.
C.B. Vincent Goudreault
autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957
online since early 1993, TD fan since 1977
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
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>Village People - 'YMCA'
>Buster Poindexter - 'Hot Hot Hot' (Satan's gonna love getting
him in
>Hell)
>'The Electric Slide'
>'The Chicken Dance'
>Billy Ray Cyrus (DIE!) - 'Achy Breaky Heart'
Heh, heh. When my wife & I got married (well, she wasn't my wife
at the time. . .) we stated in our contract with our DJ that he would
not be paid if played any of these songs, plus a few others. He later
told us that someone offered him money to play ABH, but he refused. He
did play 'Too Hot For My Chinchilla,' though, and people actually liked
it!
Scott
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>Talking to Elana is like talking to a dead microphone anyways
since I
>don't think her head/ego could fit in a soundproof booth. But
this is
>more likely a discussion for Troutfree than here, assuming I
can
>cross-post...
Cross-post it to GoldTri, just to make her mad. Rules are meant
to be broken!
Scott
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>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Wed, 20 May 98 19:29:20 EDT
>Subject: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY
>
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> Since no one has responded yet, and since this post is a heck of
>a lot more important than talking about non-TD music fit or not fit to
>die to, here it is again, to prod a response. (And by that, I mean a
This is a response.
>[...]
> COMPILATIONS:
>
> - 96 ATMOSPHERICS [similar to the FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK compilation]
> 9 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of 95 rel has diff cover and a 2nd disk)
> ? THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set, with one all-new CD)
> - TANGERINE DREAM (all of PHAEDRA, 'Rubycon Pt. 1,' STRATOSFEAR title track
> - 97 THE BRICK (ROCKOON, 220 V, TURN, TYRANNY & D MIXES in a box w/ a poster)
> 7 97 TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II (remixes various tunes, not specific tracks)
> - 98 ASTRAL LANDSCAPES (2-CD set) [name of issuing label???]
> - THE ANALOGUE SPACE YEARS (UK 2-CD comp. w/ slipcase and ltd. ed. poster)
> - THE PINK YEARS [name of issuing label???]
> - THE BLUE YEARS d8ame of issuing label???]
Where's Tangents? I know some people hate it, but is still a
compilation...
>[...]
> ? BABYLON 5: NO SURRENDER, NO RETREAT (show #415 sndtrck; Sonic I/fan club)
> ? BABYLON 5: FACE OF THE ENEMY (show #417 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fn club)
> ? BABYLON 5: THE RAGGED EDGE (show #513 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
>
>[and while we're here, anyone care to explain the show's numbering system???]
Episodes are numbered this way: Xyy, where X is the season number, and
yy is the *production* number within the season. For example, episode
415 (NSNR) is the fifteenth episode *filmed* in the fourth season.
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I took a look at WinTaper, and it's great! Thanks, Tom W. for
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On Fri, 22 May 1998, Michael A Jean wrote:
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> I have listened to Celine for a decade, but don't know how it might fit
> with TD...
>
> MJ
Picture some actually *good* vocals for:
Tyger
Smile
Loved By The Sun
Shy People
though I doubt 'Kiew Mission' or 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' would be good ideas
for her.
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Yet *another* one of my classic posts where the subject line says it all!
I'm not the only one whose mailbox is clogged up with these things, am I?
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>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> Heh, heh. When my wife & I got married (well, she wasn't my wife
>at the time. . .) we stated in our contract with our DJ that he would
>not be paid if played any of these songs, plus a few others. He later
>told us that someone offered him money to play ABH, but he refused. He
>did play 'Too Hot For My Chinchilla,' though, and people actually liked
>it!
Hmmm gives me idea. I've told the DJ who will play my wedding this Oct.
that there is to be *no Disco* and definitely no Macarena.....The Time
Warp, yes. Macarena no!
What other TD stuff would be great for wedding music. So far I'm having at
least 'Ghazal' being played.
Pete
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studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the
road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
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> Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>
>
> Yet *another* one of my classic posts where the subject line says it all!
>
> I'm not the only one whose mailbox is clogged up with these things, am I?
>
> Gabe
I thought Tadream got suddenly productive this morning..
but yes, all delivery failures... a good way to lose a few more
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> Hmmm gives me idea. I've told the DJ who will play my
wedding this Oct.
>that there is to be *no Disco* and definitely no
Macarena.....The Time
>Warp, yes. Macarena no!
You can tell 'em anything you want, but once people start
requesting things, forget it! That's why we wrote it into the contract.
> What other TD stuff would be great for wedding music. So
far I'm having at
>least 'Ghazal' being played.
Interesting thread! 'Cool at Heart' wouldn't be bad, or maybe
'Birth of Liquid Plejades.'
Scott
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
OK, I'm back from 2+ weeks in the west; for those of you expecting
something from me, it will be done soon. I'm inundated with stuff and am
endeavoring to reply to each mail etc asap.
thanks
lars
>Really-From: TangerineC
>It's to coincidental that Edgar came up with TD when the other group just
>happened to come out with the same name? Come on! Let's use our heads. The
>words Tangerine Dream was never even used in the same breath by anybody
>before 1967. Now all of a sudden it's used twice in 1967? Edgar definetly
got
>the name from this. Although I wonder if he would ever admit it. Tom
--> this is incorrect; stay tuned from more on the name-saga.
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>Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:02:04 -0400 (CLT)
>Subject: Re: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Miguel Farah F.
>
>>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>>Date: Wed, 20 May 98 19:29:20 EDT
>>Subject: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY
>>
>>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>>[...]
>> COMPILATIONS:
>>
>> - 96 ATMOSPHERICS [similar to the FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK compilation]
[...]
>> - 97 THE BRICK (ROCKOON, 220 V, TURN, TYRANNY & D MIXES in a box w/ a poster
>> 7 97 TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II (remixes various tunes, not specific tracks)
>> - 98 ASTRAL LANDSCAPES (2-CD set) [name of issuing label???]
[...]
>Where's Tangents? I know some people hate it, but is still a
>compilation...
It's from 1994, and I only listed those recent items which I was
unsure about.
[...]
>> ? BABYLON 5: THE RAGGED EDGE (show #513 soundtrck; Sonic Images/fan club)
>>
>>[and while we're here, anyone care to explain the show's numbering system???]
>
>Episodes are numbered this way: Xyy, where X is the season number, and
>yy is the *production* number within the season. For example, episode
>415 (NSNR) is the fifteenth episode *filmed* in the fourth season.
Thank you, Miguel--and those others who explained this to me in
off-list e-amil--for explaining this. I was thrown off because I had
assumed that there were 13 shows per season rather than 26 because the
only show who's episodes I take seriously is SHOWTIME'S THE OUTER LIMITS,
which is not a network program. And no thanks to smark-alecky Elana who
instead of giving me a straight answer--thus demonstrating her much-
touted ominiscience (hee hee)--couldn't resist the temptation of trying
to make me look at the B5 website for the answer--even though I don't
like B5 and would rather sniff dingleberries than waste my time
navigating that site and waiting for gifs to load, etc. ;) (I watch
ST:DEEP SPACE 9, ST:VOYAGER, EARTH:FINAL CONFLICT, THE X-FILES, and
SHOWTIME'S THE OUTER LIMITS--which, show per show, is hands-down
better than THE X-FILES, by the way--but not B5.)
-- Steven Feldman
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Hope this helps (you may know most of this already) I have all the B5 CDs if you
have any more questions on them.( I have all the released Franke stuff if you
have ?)
Joel
----Original Message-----
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>Subject: Updates for the TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY
>Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 6:29 PM
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> Since no one has responded yet, and since this post is a heck of
>a lot more important than talking about non-TD music fit or not fit to
>die to, here it is again, to prod a response. (And by that, I mean a
>constructive response leading to elucidation, not a snide retort or a
>jeer.) If anyone feels that any of the information below is incorrect
>and/or could use some clarification and/or elaboration, please let me
>know.
> TANGERINE DREAM POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 7.5 excerpts:
>
>
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | KEY: the first number indicates quality level: 1 for worst, 10 for best
|
> | --the 2nd number refers to the year; e.g., 70 indicates a 1970 release.
|
>
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>
>
> COMPILATIONS:
>
> - 96 ATMOSPHERICS [similar to the FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK compilation]
I have both and the only songs in common are 'Central Park' and 'Wahn'
ATMOSPHERICS-
1. Genesis
2. Sunrise in the Third System
3. Wahn
4. Ashes to Ashes
5. Scuba Scuba
6. Circulation of Events
7. Central Park (NEW York)
8. Zen Garden (Ryoanji Temple Kyoto)
9. Underwater Sunlight
10. Resurrection
11. Hyde Park
12. White Clouds
13. Indian Summer
14. Tyger
15. Dolphin Dance
FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK 1973-1988
1. Song of the Whale (part 1:from dawn)
2. Song of the Whale (part 2:from dusk)
3. Bois De Boulogne
4. Ride on the Ray
5. Poland
6. London
7. Le Parc
8. Live Miles (extract)
9. Central Park
10. Zeit
11. Wahn
> 9 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of 95 rel has diff cover and a 2nd
disk)
True, Disk 1 is identical to Miramar release, second disc adds 6 new mixes
(total 40:46)
Released 1995 TDI001CD
> ? THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set, with one all-new CD)
1996
> - 97 THE BRICK (ROCKOON, 220 V, TURN, TYRANNY & D MIXES in a box w/ a
poster)
It does not come with the poster you have to send away for it.
> - THE ANALOGUE SPACE YEARS (UK 2-CD comp. w/ slipcase and ltd. ed.
poster)
1998- Purple Pyramid-A Division of Cleopatra Records CLP 0227-2
> - THE PINK YEARS [name of issuing label???]
1998- Castle Communications CCS CD 815
> - THE BLUE YEARS [name of issuing label???]
1998- Castle Communications CCS CD 824
> CHRISTOPH(ER) FRANKE (1971-1989) solos:
>
> ? TRANSFORMATION OF MIND (narration by Deepak Chopra, music by Franke)
1997 Earthtone records ET 7704-2
> ? TARZAN AND THE LOST CITY [name of issuing label???]
Not sure, but I once got to the Tarzan and the Lost City web site through SI's
site
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> Yet *another* one of my classic posts where the subject line says it all!
>
> I'm not the only one whose mailbox is clogged up with these things, am I?
>
> Gabe
hell no...and it's pissing me off!! I've deleted over a dozen of these
damn things! I think TFS stands for Too fu*%#$@ Stupid!
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Hi,
What are the actual dates for the Pink and Blue Years? Figuring
the dates of the albums, I'd say that Pink is 1970-1973, since GREEN
DESERT is from 1973, and that the Blue is 1983-1987, since POLAND is
from 1983--even though HYPERBOREA is also from 1983. I ask this because
on the TDI website, there is the following at the webpage with the URL
:
The ¤Pink Years– (1970-1974)
Electronic Meditation | Alpha Centauri | Zeit | Atem | Green Desert
The ¤Virgin Years– (1973-1983)
Phaedra | Rubycon | Ricochet | Stratosfear | Sorcerer | Encore | Cyclone |
Force Majeure | Pergamon (Quichotte) | Tangram | Exit | Thief | White Eagle |
Logos - Live at the Dominion | Hyperborea
The ¤Blue Years– (1984-1987)
Poland - The Warsaw Concert | Le Parc | Dream Sequence | Underwater Sunlight
-- Steven Feldman
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>> Yet *another* one of my classic posts where the subject line says it all!
>>
>> I'm not the only one whose mailbox is clogged up with these things, am I?
>>
>> Gabe
>
>
>hell no...and it's pissing me off!! I've deleted over a dozen of these
>damn things! I think TFS stands for Too fu*%#$@ Stupid!
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>Dano
>
>
You think you have a problem, my ISP's mail server is very touchy and at times
refuses
to delete messages off the service. So today I have loaded and deleted 61
messages
THREE times. $#@$$%*&^%$#^^$$@!@$%&^%$#@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: BOOK OF DREAMS and THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION
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Folks,
Here are two planned entries for my updated TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY.
Let me know if they are inaccurate. (For example, are the two CDs in
the BOOK OF DREAMS set reproduced track-for-track on CDs in THE DREAM
ROOTS COLLECTION, or are all the tracks on BOOK OF DREAMS spread out
over the four CDs of previously-released material differently? I can
verify this when I get home: I don't have the albums on-hand.)
*95 BOOK OF DREAMS ([Essential Records] 2 CDs; Virgin *remixes; 12-p booklet)
*96 THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set; *1 all-new CD; 2 CDs dup BOOK OF D)
-- Steven Feldman
------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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>Date: Fri, 22 May 98 13:42:17 EDT
>Subject: BOOK OF DREAMS and THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION
>From: Tangerine Dream mailing list
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
> Here are two planned entries for my updated TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY.
[. . .]
>*95 BOOK OF DREAMS ([Essential Records] 2 CDs; Virgin *remixes; 12-p booklet)
>*96 THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set; *1 all-new CD; 2 CDs dup BOOK OF D)
Whoops! 'Virgin *remixes'??? Yikes. Below are entries closer to
what I should have posted in the first place:
95 BOOK OF DREAMS ([Essential Records] 2-CD Set of remixes; 12-page booklet)
*96 THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CDs [1 new]; *remixes; 2 CDs dup BOOK OF D)
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Fri May 22, 1998 6:05
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Subject: Re: Music to listen before death
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On Thu, 21 May 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
>
> > Really-From: Gabe Yedid
> >
> >
> > My choice would have to be what remains my very favourite piece of music
> > on the face of the planet--Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor (BWV 582) by
> > J.S. Bach.
>
> Bach rocks! I treasure highly my double-disc sets of bach's organ fugues
> (cue many-an-'organ'-joke from Dano...;-)
Are these Peter Hurford's set on London, by any chance?
I've actually stopped buying a lot of organ recordings...sure there's
still lots I could buy, but it's often expensive imports, and I seem to
have decided that I'd much rather hear it live.
Although, the only music that's supposed to be played at Jewish funerals
is that supplied by the cantor. Even if it were my deathbed request (to
the Bach piece), I don't think it would go down well.
> E
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Subject: Wasting time
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Just for fun, I was looking our buddies in an online phone book. Here's
a few I found:
1 FRANKE CHRIS COLUMBUS OH
2 FRANKE CHRIS HARDIN IL
3 FRANKE LESTER & CHRIS DENMARK WI
4 FRANKE CURT & CHRIS LA PLATA MO
5 FRANKE CHRIS A SAINT PAUL MN
6 FRANKE CHRIS A SAINT PAUL MN
7 FRANKE CHRIS LITTLETON CO
8 FRANKE CHRIS TYLER TX
16 FROESE E CAMPBELL CA
14 FROESE MONICA ADDISON ME
31 BAUMANN JAMES SAINT PETER MN
32 BAUMANN PETER COLORADO SPRINGS CO
33 BAUMANN PETER & TRUDI GILBERT AZ
34 BAUMANN PETER J & MARGARETE HAYWARD CA
35 BAUMANN PETER J WENATCHEE WA
36 BAUMANN PETER GRESHAM OR
37 BAUMANN PETER SOUTH LAKE TAHOE CA
38 BAUMANN PETER & JULIE PALO ALTO CA
1 HASLINGER PAUL AKRON NY
2 HASLINGER PAUL HOLLYWOOD FL
3 HASLINGER PAUL E FREMONT OH
Still with me? It's funny, but there was a Chris Franke, Peter Baumann
and E Froese all within 100 miles of each other in Ohio. Perhaps I
should contact them and try to get them to play together as a '70s TD
reunion! Maybe I should get back to work. :-)
Scott
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Subject: RE: Pink & Blue: 70-73 & 83-87, or 70-74 & 84-87?
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I would say you are correct in the dates you came up with. There is no mention
of the dates on the 'pink' and 'blue' discs, but in the 1995 release 'Book of
Dreams'
it defines the 'Pink Years' as 1970-1973 and the 'Blue Years' as 1983-1987
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>
>Hi,
> What are the actual dates for the Pink and Blue Years? Figuring
>the dates of the albums, I'd say that Pink is 1970-1973, since GREEN
>DESERT is from 1973, and that the Blue is 1983-1987, since POLAND is
>from 1983--even though HYPERBOREA is also from 1983. I ask this because
>on the TDI website, there is the following at the webpage with the URL
>:
>
>The ¤Pink Years– (1970-1974)
> Electronic Meditation | Alpha Centauri | Zeit | Atem | Green Desert
>
>The ¤Virgin Years– (1973-1983)
> Phaedra | Rubycon | Ricochet | Stratosfear | Sorcerer | Encore | Cyclone |
> Force Majeure | Pergamon (Quichotte) | Tangram | Exit | Thief | White
Eagle |
> Logos - Live at the Dominion | Hyperborea
>
>The ¤Blue Years– (1984-1987)
> Poland - The Warsaw Concert | Le Parc | Dream Sequence | Underwater
Sunlight
>
> -- Steven Feldman
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>
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Date: Fri May 22, 1998 7:08
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Subject: RE: BOOK OF DREAMS and THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION
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As you know in 'Book of Dreams' Disc 1 has both Blue and Pink songs on it.
The first 7 songs are 'Pink' and do match the first 7 songs on disc 1 of Dream
Roots
but they are not in order and disc 1-Dream roots has 4 more songs on it. (that
do not match
ANY songs from Book of Dreams.) Disc 2 of BOOK spreads its songs over disc
2,3,4 of ROOTS.
The 'Blue' songs from disc 1 of BOOK are spread over disc 3,4 of ROOTS. ALL the
songs
form BOOK appear on ROOTS somewhere. Just as an aside less than 1/2 the songs
that
appear on 'The Pink Years' and 'The Blue Years' show up on Dream Roots. Hope
that
helps!
Joel
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>Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 12:42 PM
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>
>
>Folks,
> Here are two planned entries for my updated TD POCKET DISCOGRAPHY.
>Let me know if they are inaccurate. (For example, are the two CDs in
>the BOOK OF DREAMS set reproduced track-for-track on CDs in THE DREAM
>ROOTS COLLECTION, or are all the tracks on BOOK OF DREAMS spread out
>over the four CDs of previously-released material differently? I can
>verify this when I get home: I don't have the albums on-hand.)
>
>*95 BOOK OF DREAMS ([Essential Records] 2 CDs; Virgin *remixes; 12-p
booklet)
>*96 THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5-CD Set; *1 all-new CD; 2 CDs dup BOOK OF
D)
>
> -- Steven Feldman
>------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+
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>------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+
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>
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: TANGERINE DREAM POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 7.5
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Folks,
Once again, if you find any errors below, please contact me.
-- Steven Feldman
--------------------------------cut here--------------------------------
TANGERINE DREAM POCKET DISCOGRAPHY 7.5, by Steven Feldman (5/22/98):
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| KEY: the first number indicates quality level: 1 for worst, 10 for best |
| --the 2nd number refers to the year; e.g., 70 indicates a 1970 release. |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
4 70 ELECTRONIC MEDITATION (gatefold cover w/ balloon attached in Ohr ed.)
5 71 ALPHA CENTAURI (gatefold cover for Ohr Records ed; no US vinyl until '87)
4 72 ZEIT (2-Record Set) (pic-insert in Ohr Records ed; no US vinyl until '87)
5 73 ATEM (packaged w/ ALPHA CENTAURI in UK in '76; no US vinyl until 1987)
6 GREEN DESERT (remixed & 1st rel. as platter 6 of IN THE BEGINNING in '86)
7 74 PHAEDRA (gatefold cover)
6 74 AQUA (gatefold cover) [Edgar Froese 'solo' programmed by Chris Franke(!)]
10 75 RUBYCON (gatefold cover)
9 76 STRATOSFEAR (title-less gatefold cover with clear title sticker)
7 78 CYCLONE (gatefold cover; inside is a pic of Franke, Froese, and Jolliffe)
9 79 FORCE MAJEURE (clear vinyl with sticker on cover and vanity label)
9 80 TANGRAM (vanity label; color photos of tangrams on thick inner sleeve)
9 81 EXIT (diff. cover: poster of back cover of US release is inside UK vers.)
8 82 WHITE EAGLE (vanity label; never on vinyl in the US; 1st US CD in 1994)
6 83 HYPERBOREA (vanity label; never on vinyl in the US; 1st US CD rel in '94)
9 85 LE PARC
6 86 UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT
5 87 TYGER (lyrics on inner sleeve; CD adds 2 tracks; 1992 remix adds 1 more)
3 88 OPTICAL RACE (die-cut cover with reversable cardboard vanity sleeve)
6 89 LILY ON THE BEACH (the last US TD release with commercially issued vinyl)
8 90 MELROSE
6 92 ROCKOON (orig. UK rel. on Volt Records has diff. (blue & yellow) cover)
6 QUINOA (fan club issue in 1992; additional tracks added for 1998 release)
8 94 TURN OF THE TIDES ('96 UK CD on TDI has bonus track 'Story of the Brave')
7 95 TYRANNY OF BEAUTY (UK CDs on Amp, & then TDI, have bonus track 'Quasar')
6 96 GOBLINS' CLUB (Australia CD has 'Fort Worth Runway One' instead of 'Elf')
5 97 AMBIENT MONKEYS (out only in Europe, so far; ambient pre-concert sounds)
? 98 LION'S SHARE
LIVE ALBUMS
(no covers except for THREE PHASE & 9 mins. of LIVE MILES):
7 75 RICOCHET (first pressings came with an insert)
7 77 ENCORE (2-Record Set; gatefold cover; first US CD release in 1994)
7 80 QUICHOTTE (Amiga Records, East Berlin only) [later re-issued as...]
7 PERGAMON (re-issue of QUICHOTTE; released world-wide in 1986)
6 82 LOGOS--LIVE AT THE DOMINION (no vinyl in the US; 1st US [CD] rel in 1994)
7 84 POLAND (2-Record Set) (vanity inner sleeves; also available as pic disks)
5 88 LIVE MILES (UK CD has slightly different cover)
6 93 220 VOLT LIVE (the video/LD THREE PHASE shares no tracks: diff. concerts)
6 THREE PHASE (video/LaserDisk; 1/2 the tracks are covers of studio tracks)
5 97 TOURNADO (gold foil on booklet; clear tray; all tracks are covers)
? 98 DREAM ENCORES
ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK RECORDINGS:
7 77 SORCERER (first US CD release in 1994)
7 80 THIEF (US vers. has 'Confrontation,' other versions have 'Beach Scene')
8 83 WAVELENGTH
5 RISKY BUSINESS (only half is by TD; 1st LP pressing is different & rare)
7*84 THE KEEP (brief rel. in 1984; *ltd. ed. rel. in 1997; wide rel. in 1998?)
6 FLASHPOINT (also available as a pic disk or with movie synopsis insert)
8 FIRESTARTER (LP on MCA in 1984; CD on Varese Sarabande in 1992)
9 THE PARK IS MINE (released for the first time in 1992)
8 85 HEARTBREAKERS (German-only release, until 1995; then on Silva)
? FORBIDDEN (TV soundtrack; scheduled for 1998 release)
? RED HEAT (scheduled for 1998 release)
3*86 LEGEND (Euro soundtrack & CD by Jerry Goldmsith; US sndtrck & CD* by TD)
7 87 CANYON DREAMS (video differs from CD version, which was released in 1991)
2 THREE O'CLOCK HIGH (only half is by TD)
6 NEAR DARK (US version has photo cover, UK & European have painted cover)
4 SHY PEOPLE (photo montage on US & german covers; boat photo on UK cover)
3 DEADLY CARE (released for the first time in 1992)
? 88 RED NIGHTS (scheduled for 1998 release)
7 89 MIRACLE MILE (unavailable on LP in the USA except as a promo)
4 DESTINATION BERLIN (German-only release)
8 DEAD SOLID PERFECT (released for the first time in 1991)
4 CATCH ME IF YOU CAN (released for the first time in 1994)
5 90 L'AFFAIRE WALLRAFF (a/k/a THE MAN INSIDE) (French-only release)
6 92 RUMPELSTILTSKIN (US in long-box w/ poster; Japanese has narration 2nd)
6 94 ZONING (video sndtrck; 1st rel. in 1996; w/ white tray & 12-page booklet)
8 97 OASIS (video soundtrack; clear tray; different cover & bonus track in US)
3 JIM & PABLO: DER METEOR (child's story dramatized in German; music by TD)
- 98 LUMINOUS VISIONS (video sndtrck; comes w/ free CD [not sold separately])
? TRANSSIBERIA
COMPILATIONS:
6*80 TANGERINE DREAM '70-'80 (4-Record Set) (booklet; *1 non-LP side plus 1)
- 85 DREAM SEQUENCE (3-Record Set) [Virgin Records] (double-gatefold; booklet)
- 86 IN THE BEGINNING (6-Record Set) (booklet; first pressing of GREEN DESERT)
- 87 THE COLLECTION (2-Record Set) [Castle Communications] (gatefold cover)
- 89 THE BEST OF TANGERINE DREAM (2-Rec Set) [later re-packaged as...] (no gf)
- 91 FROM DAWN 'TIL DUSK--TANGERINE DREAM--1973-88 (single-CD rehash of above)
6*92 THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF TANGERINE DREAM (*two previously-unreleased tracks)
- DREAM MUSIC ([Silva Screen] soundtrack compilation: DSP, TPiM, Deadly C.)
- THE STORY OF TANGERINE DREAM (German [Jive] 2-CD compilation, 1969-1988)
7 94 TANGENTS (5-CD Set) (almost entirely remixed, w/ a book & 1 all-new CD)
9 95 THE DREAM MIXES ([Miramar] 6 remixes & 4 all-new tracks; yellow CD tray)
6 BOOK OF DREAMS (2-CD Set of remixes; 12-page booklet; cf THE DREAM ROOTS)
7* DREAM MUSIC 2 ([Silva Screen] sndtrck comp *w/4 TD tracks by other bands)
- 96 ATMOSPHERICS [another comp of Pink (70-73) and Blue (83-87) Years stuff]
9 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of 95 rel has diff cover and a 2nd disk)
6*96 THE DREAM ROOTS COLLECTION (5 CDs [1 new]; *remixes; book; cf BOOK OF DR)
- TANGERINE DREAM (all of PHAEDRA, 'Rubycon Pt. 1,' STRATOSFEAR title track
- 97 THE BRICK (ROCKOON, 220v, TURN, TYRANNY & D MIXES; box w/ coup for postr)
7 TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II (remixes various tunes, not specific tracks)
- THE VIDEO DREAM MIXES (video containing material from THE DREAM MIXES)
- 98 ASTRAL LANDSCAPES (2-CD set)
- THE ANALOGUE SPACE YEARS (UK 2-CD comp. w/ slipcase and ltd. ed. poster)
- THE PINK YEARS ([Castle Communications, UK] comp of material 1970-1973)
- THE BLUE YEARS ([Castle Communications, UK] comp of material 1983-1987)
PETER BAUMANN (1972-1977) solos:
9 76 ROMANCE '76
6 79 TRANS-HARMONIC NIGHTS (never released in the US)
2 82 REPEAT REPEAT (two-sided, glossy, 12' x 12' lyric sheet)
1 83 STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT
- 96 PHASE BY PHASE ([{UK} Virgin Vault] compilation)
CHRISTOPH(ER) FRANKE (1971-1989) solos:
7 91 PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY
? McBAIN (limited release soundtrack from Chris' Sonic Images label)
3 92 UNIVERSAL SOLDIER (soundtrack composed by but not played by Franke)
5 93 THE LONDON CONCERT (live, w/ 3 covers [Vermillion Sands=Taking the Park])
4 NEW MUSIC FOR FILMS, VOL. 1 (sndtrck comp; mostly previously unreleased)
8 KLEMANIA (ltd ed; 1995 ed has different [better] mix & different booklet)
? 94 RAVEN (TV soundtrack; limited edition CD in 1994; released widely in '96)
4* ENCHANTING NATURE (PCH remixed; *4 new tracks) [from The Nature Company]
8 BABYLON 5 (ltd ed sndtrck; '95 ed adds 3 trax, diff booklet & tray photo)
? 96 NIGHT OF THE RUNNING MAN (cabl TV sndtrck; w/ Berlin Symphonic Film Orch)
3 THE CELESTINE PROPHESY (based on the book)
? TENCHI MUYO IN LOVE--THE MOVIE (sndtrck to Japanimation movie; digipak)
? PERRY RHODAN: PAX TERRA (inspired by a series of sci-fi novels)
5 97 BABYLON 5, VOLUME 2: MESSAGES FROM EARTH (second CD from the TV series)
? TRANSFORMATION OF MIND (narration by Deepak Chopra, music by Franke)
? BABYLON 5: SEVERED DREAMS (show #310 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: A LATE DELIVERY FROM AVALON (show #312 soundtrck; SI/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: WALKABOUT (show #318 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
? BABYLON 5: SHADOW DANCING (show #321 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: Z'HA'DUM (show #322 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
? 98 THE BEST OF BABYLON 5 (enhanced CD from B5 ENCYCL. CD-ROM; 2 unrel. trax)
? BABYLON 5: FALL OF NIGHT (show #222 sndtrck; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
? BABYLON 5: INTERLUDES AND EXAMINATIONS (show #315 soundtrck; SI/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: INTO THE FIRE (show #406 sndtrck; Sonic Images/fan club issue)
? BABYLON 5: NO SURRENDER, NO RETREAT (show #415 sndtrck; Sonic I/fan club)
? BABYLON 5: FACE OF THE ENEMY (show #417 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fn club)
? BABYLON 5: THE RAGGED EDGE (show #513 soundtrack; Sonic Images/fan club)
? TARZAN AND THE LOST CITY
EDGAR FROESE (1967-present; founder/leader of TD) solos:
6 74 AQUA (gatefold cover)
10 75 EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE (gatefold cover)
9* ELECTRONIC DREAMS (comp from above 2 LPs; *M. Bay is recorded backwards!)
6 76 MACULA TRANSFER (gatefold cover; not on CD; never released in the US)
5 78 AGES (2-Record Set; gatefold cover; not on CD; never released in the US)
8 79 STUNTMAN (photo-montage cardboard inner sleeve)
7*79 SOLO 1974-1979 (compilation featuring superior *remixes of many cuts)
7 83 KAMIKAZE 1989 (soundtrack; never released in the US)
6 PINNACLES (vanity label; never released in the US)
7 95 BEYOND THE STORM (2-CD Set; 1/2 is remixes of previously-released stuff)
(PAUL) HASLINGER (1986-1990) solos:
[See also LIGHTWAVE and COMA VIRUS (other bands featuring Haslinger),
listings for which follow the Tributes to Tangerine Dream section.]
6 94 FUTURE PRIMITIVE
3 96 WORLD WITHOUT RULES
JOHANNES SCHMOELLING (1980-1986) solos:
8 86 WUIVEND RIET [English: 'Wind-Blown Reeds']
5 88 THE ZOO OF TRANQUILLITY (rel on defunct Polydor sub-label Theta; no US r)
7 90 WHITE OUT (German-only release)
? 94 ZAUBERGEIGER SETTEMBRINI (narr by Martin Burkhardt, music by Schmoelling)
8 95 SONGS NO WORDS (not released in the US)
TRIBUTES TO TANGERINE DREAM
(Tangerine Dream Tribute Albums)
5*95 DREAM MUSIC 2 ([Silva Screen] sndtrck comp; includes *tracks by others)
? 96 TANGERINE AMBIENCE--A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM (Hypnotic [Cleopatra])
4 THE KEEP by the Fantasy Merchants (German; tracks from 6 diff TD sndtrks)
? 97 TANGERINE AMBIENCE II (Hypnotic Records [Cleopatra])
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
LIGHTWAVE
(only Lightwave releases with Haslinger are listed)
6 94 TYCHO BRAHE [pronounced 'TIE-co BRAY' (named after the astronomer)]
3 95 MUNDUS SUBTERRANEUS
COMA VIRUS
? 96 HIDDEN
? 97 DE UMBRIS IDEARUM (on the Side Effects label)
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anyone out there know how to buy research/term papers on the web? if so,
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Hi,
I *finally* cleaned up some downloads of Tangerine Dream-related
articles I got from the NEXIS/LEXIS pay database service three years
ago. They total 900 lines of text. I sent a copy of the entire thing
to Scott Plumer, so you can ask him his opinion of what I should do
with it all. (Where *does* one archive TD-related stuff these days???)
Anyways, below is the stuff that *I* found interesting:
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
USA TODAY, December 6, 1994, Tuesday, FINAL EDITION
SECTION: LIFE; Pg. 8D
HEADLINE: Boxed sets play to musical memories / Sample the roots of rock,
synth sound and the industrial offbeat
BYLINE: Edna Gundersen
(. . .)
Tangerine Dream, Tangents 1973-1983 (Virgin, 59 tracks, 5 CDs, $ 59.95).
Tangerine's groundbreaking electronic soundscapes aren't for synth fetishists
only. The Berlin group, founded in 1967, sold 10 million albums, paved the way
for hot ambient/house acts like the Orb and Aphex Twin and influenced
everything from the mind-numbing cadence of disco to the sonic beatfests of
rap.
Remastered by Dream leader Edgar Froese using new technology, the set, with
12 re-recorded tunes, boasts spectacularly crisp sound quality. Though
incomplete (it excludes material before and after their Virgin Records years,
including debut album Electronic Meditation), the set captures their prime in
three discs of studio work, one of soundtrack material and one of previously
unreleased tracks.
(. . .)
Billboard, May 22, 1993
SECTION: FRANCE; Spotlight; Pg. F4
HEADLINE: Around The French Companies;
DREYFUS SIGNS PETRUCCIANI, MARCUS MILLER FOR HIS JAZZ LINE
(. . .)
Girl singer Enzo Enzo is also winning acceptance abroad, having completed a
successful tour of Japan; and the Basque group Oio, whose melodic music has
been compared to that of Tangerine Dream, sold 50,000 copies of the 'Anima'
album in Germany.
(. . .)
USA TODAY, August 30, 1990, Thursday, FINAL EDITION
SECTION: LIFE; Pg. 2D
HEADLINE: A sneak peek at 'Chukker'
BYLINE: Jeannie Williams
Aspen's celebrity crowd has been invited to a Labor Day weekend screening
of The Great Chukker, which producer/director Larry Spangler calls the first
''rock-doc(umentary)'' on polo, with music by Tangerine Dream.
Goldie Hawn, Kurt Russell, Don Johnson and Danny Sullivan have been invited
for the sneak peek.
Spangler's film, due by Christmas, has its own share of stars: famed 10-
goal Mexican polo player Memo Gracida, actor/player William Devane and
socialite Marylou Whitney.
Devane chats in the film about days when polo was big in Hollywood. ''Will
Rogers had a field at his house ... and Walt Disney kept a stable of horses
for friends to use.''
Devane adds that polo ''keeps you on the edge all the time ... important if
you are an artist.'' Sylvester Stallone, he says, is ''a wonderful player --
strikes well, rides well.''
Prince Charles also appears in clips as a very young player and from 1988
-- saying so far he'd been lucky enough not to break a leg or an arm. He'll
get a wry chuckle out of it - he broke his arm in a polo fall two months ago.
In the film he says polo, in general, ''shakes up my liver.''
Spangler also is readying an animated, seven-minute cartoon of the Rudyard
Kipling story, The Maltese Cat, about polo ponies. It's Charles' favorite
story, says Spangler, and will be shown with Chukker.
The Washington Post, September 7, 1988, Wednesday, Final Edition
SECTION: STYLE; PAGE F7
HEADLINE: Spotlight;
The Group With a Synth Of Adventure;
Tangerine Dream's Long Electronic Music Quest
BYLINE: Mike Joyce, Special to The Washington Post
Synthesist Edgar Froese, the founder of Tangerine Dream, remembers all too
well the response the group received at its debut performance in Berlin in
1969, including the 'apples, oranges and bananas' that pelted the stage.
Although the concert was scheduled to run for 1 1/2 hours, the response was so
negative that the band walked off stage after only 20 minutes.
(. . .)
'I realized when [new age music] came on the market four or five years ago
that it would be commercially successful,' he explains in a thick German
accent. 'But I also knew that many people would understand that music to be
coming from someone who had just smoked a ton of marijuana and was pressing
down three keys. That's exactly what we're not into ... If you have something
to say musically, it's important not to lose sight of that.'
Froese's disdain for music designed as some sort of sonic backdrop or
yuppie therapy can be traced back to the band's first album, 'Electronic
Meditations,' which in spite of its title was more stormy than soothing.
Synthesist Claus Shulze, then the drummer, dubbed it the 'punk album of
electronic music,' and Froese is delighted that it's become something of a
cult hit in England recently.
'It was wild,' he concedes. 'An experiment against everything. Maybe it had
the same root that punk came from. You stand up and you're against everything
-- the establishment, some social movements, tastes in music, the mainstream.
And you say, 'Okay, let's turn everything upside down and start again.' '
West Germany was a particularly healthy incubator for electronic music,
Froese believes. After all, he says, there was no native rock tradition to
draw on. Nearly everyone who took up music seriously was classically trained,
and while many, including Froese, were drawn to rock and blues, in the end
those styles always sounded alien to their own culture. 'That's why so many
German rock bands sound too German,' he says, laughing.
The turning point for Froese came when he opened a couple of concerts for
Hendrix. 'I really saw, just a few feet away, what he did, but I never figured
out how he did it.' More importantly, Froese says, Hendrix showed him that
'music doesn't have to follow along the same known routes, that you can leave
those routes and get something entirely different out of it. It's sort of like
traveling in open space.'
(. . .)
'The films help pay our bills,' he says flatly. 'We've never had a Top 10
hit in America, and we may never have one. I'm not sure about that. Therefore,
the films help us make a living and pay for our equipment ... But touring is
something I enjoy. This may be computer music, but we feel a real contact with
the audience at our shows. There's this electricity ...'
Newsday, September 6, 1988, Tuesday, ALL EDITIONS
SECTION: PART II; Pg. 7
HEADLINE: The Dream: Still Human, After 20 Years
BYLINE: By Stephen Williams
(. . .)
'I personally feel prostituted by new age,' said Froese, shifting about in
his seat. 'With few exceptions, there is no quality in what today is called
new age. I love rock and roll, where you can feel emotion.' Eddie Van Halen,
Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Nicks and Cyndi Lauper are among Froese's favorites, as
is Bruce Springsteen, although Froese has yet to see the Boss in performance.
'He is one of the last blood, sweat and tears artists around . . . maybe
the last one,' he said. 'If you get touched by it, and thousands of people
stand up at the same moment, it must be something other than just three-chord
music.'
(. . .)
The Washington Post, February 2, 1987, Monday, Final Edition
SECTION: STYLE; PAGE D1; TV PREVIEW
HEADLINE: Singular Pleasures;
'Tonight's the Night': Pickup Bar Froth
BYLINE: Tom Shales, Washington Post Staff Writer
It's cool and creamy and it takes about two hours to melt. No, not Hamagen-
Dazs chocolate chocolate chip. Well, that too. But also the 'ABC Monday Night
Movie,' 'Tonight's the Night,' at 9 on Channel 7. What a yummily
pleasurable, superficial experience it is.
Originally titled 'Single Bars, Single Men,' and thus something of a
companion piece to the 1984 ABC movie 'Single Bars, Single Women,' tonight's
film follows the 'Grand Hotel' blueprint as it convenes a gaggle of California
singles at a smart-deco place called Henry's, all of 'em there in the hope of
making longingly desired connections.
The script by Steven Humphrey and Sue Grafton does drop expectable
buzzwords such as 'commitment' and 'involvement' and 'relationship,' butthe
characters come attractively alive and don't just seem like pop-sociological
statistics. The director, Bobby Roth, exhibits very nice moves as he maneuvers
his searchers around the bar and into and out of one another's beds.
(. . .)
Much to its benefit, the film is wall to wall with music. Billy and the
Beaters, as the band playing at Henry's, perform several friendly tunes. The
house deejay (Henry G. Sanders), who also seems to be the only black person in
the place, offers a heady stream of balmy Motunes. And additional, if
fleeting, background music is supplied by Tangerine Dream. Channel 7 really
ought to invest some of its enormous profits in stereocasting equipment if the
network is going to send down movies as musical as this.
(. . .)
Los Angeles Times, July 4, 1986, Friday, Home Edition
SECTION: Calendar; Part 6; Page 9; Column 1; Entertainment Desk
HEADLINE: 'LEGENDS': TANGERINE DREAM KNOWS THE SCORE
BYLINE: By STEVEN SMITH
Film music purists despise them. Studio heads view them as the pulse of
teen audiences. Whatever your feelings about Tangerine Dream, they're
probably extreme.
(. . .)
'We got offers from the producers of 'Death Wish' and said no. Whoever
wants to see such films can, and we've done films that had violence, but it
was shown with a more social aspect. We also turned down the 'Conan' films --
a lot of people thought we were crazy.'
As for critics who feel Tangerine Dream's music is mindlessly repetitive,
'believe it or not, I respect them, if they're serious,' Froese said. 'Sure I
disagree, but I don't make a lot of noise about it. Obviously it doesn't mean
it's the view millions of others have.'
The New York Times, June 1, 1986, Sunday, Late City Final Edition
SECTION: Section 2; Page 23, Column 1; Arts and Leisure Desk
HEADLINE: STEVE REICH, A FORMER YOUNG TURK, APPROACHES 50
BYLINE: By TIM PAGE
(. . .)
''I had to learn to write 12-tone music at Juilliard and I greatly resented
it,'' he continued. ''I hope that my work won't be used as a recipe for
academic music in the conservatories.'' Still, Mr. Reich is pleased that
composers such as John Adams and Arvo Paert have admitted a debt to his work.
''They clearly have their own voices, but if my music can be useful to them in
any way, then I am delighted.''
He is less happy with some other appropriations. ''I should be receiving
royalties for the theme to 'Adam Smith's Money World,' and the whole
soundtrack to the film 'Risky Business,' supposedly by a group called
Tangerine Dream, was an out and out ripoff of 'Music for 18 Musicians.' I
should have sued.
''Still, if I had a dime for every trace of 'The Rite of Spring' I've heard
in movie soundtracks, I'd be rich,'' he added. ''I don't think imitations will
sap the power of the originals. If anything, because of familiarity with the
sound, the original will come through more clearly. It will be approachable,
but particularly engaging, focused and musically cogent. Ezra Pound once said
that a classic is something that remains news and the best work is capable of
re-creating the context of its times.''
(. . .)
Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1986 Sunday, FINAL EDITION
SECTION: THE ARTS; Pg. 16; ZONE: C
HEADLINE: FOR TANGERINE DREAM, HOLLYWOOD CALLS TOO OFTEN TO GET THE SHOW
ON THE ROAD
BYLINE: By Lynn Van Matre, Pop music critic.
(. . .)
After 'Thief,' Mann went on to make a bigger mark in television with
'Miami Vice,' featuring a score by Jan Hammer. Does Froese, who arguably
helped pioneer the musical strategy that has contributed so much to the
success of 'Vice,' feel just a little ripped off that Tangerine Dream didn't
get in on the 'Vice' action?
'It's a funny thing about that,' Froese says. 'The truth is that we
were supposed to do 'Miami Vice.' But Michael (Mann) was starting the pilot
for that show at the same time we had signed up to do the music for another
television series called 'Street Hawk.'
'The producer of that show told Michael that we couldn't do 'Vice'
because we were doing 'Street Hawk.' As it turned out, that wasn't true at
all; we could have done both shows. But we didn't hear about all of this until
sometime later, and when we found out we were not very happy. Because, of
course, 'Street Hawk' turned out to be a flop and 'Miami Vice' took off.
'But Jan did a fairly good job, and the series got what it needed,'
adds Froese. 'So, it's OK.'
Today's dance-oriented synth-pop scene is OK with Froese, too--for other
people, that is. You won't find him listening to any of it.
'I would not want to say the music is bull----,' he says, 'because a
lot of people love it. But it's repetitious, and, to be honest, I have
absolutely no interest in it.'
(. . .)
In the early days of Tangerine Dream, Froese's 'spacey ideas' were, often as
not, arrived at with help from psychedelic drugs. These days he takes a pass
not only on drugs but on cigarettes and alcohol. 'Today, I even think about
whether or not tea and coffee qualify as drugs,' he says with a laugh.
'The funny thing is, most of my friends went the same way that I did,'
he adds. 'A few of them eventually killed themselves with drugs, but most of
the others figured out that having a clear mind and a clear consciousness is
the best of all, because that means that you can be influenced more easily by
spiritual forces that can help you more than drugs ever could.'
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Subject: Whoops, I Forgot the Funniest Quote
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|Los Angeles Times, July 4, 1986, Friday, Home Edition
|SECTION: Calendar; Part 6; Page 9; Column 1; Entertainment Desk
|HEADLINE: 'LEGENDS': TANGERINE DREAM KNOWS THE SCORE
|BYLINE: By STEVEN SMITH
|
| Film music purists despise them. Studio heads view them as the pulse of
|teen audiences. Whatever your feelings about Tangerine Dream, they're
|probably extreme.
| In films like William Friedkin's 'Sorcerer,' Michael Mann's 'Thief' and
|Paul Brickman's 'Risky Business,' the German keyboard group -- made up of
|Edgar Froese, Christoph Franke and Paul Haslinger -- has crafted sound tracks
|of dense electronic effects that some critics brand hypnotic, others moronic.
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59
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Subject: Tangerine Death
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Really-From: szatmari pal
However macabre this death music discussion is,
I must say that sometimes when I listen to TD
I wish I would have the chance to listen to their
music when it is time to go or at least run a track
in my mind. Maybe this is because the majority of
the tracks put me in a certain mood that I wish would
last forever and I would like to take it with me
wherever I go after I fall.
Have you thought about choosing a track for your funeral?
Hopi Mesa heart is playing now and it would even be in tune with
the creaking sounds of the hearse...
Guess which track I would choose for my EXIT from this world...
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Subject: Re: I Have 900 Lines of TD-related Articles
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can lawry sim please contact dat mechanik i,ve lost your e mail
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>
>
>Hi,
> I *finally* cleaned up some downloads of Tangerine Dream-related
>articles I got from the NEXIS/LEXIS pay database service three years
>ago. They total 900 lines of text. I sent a copy of the entire thing
>to Scott Plumer, so you can ask him his opinion of what I should do
>with it all. (Where *does* one archive TD-related stuff these days???)
> Anyways, below is the stuff that *I* found interesting:
>
> -- Steven Feldman
>+ + + + + + +
>
>USA TODAY, December 6, 1994, Tuesday, FINAL EDITION
>SECTION: LIFE; Pg. 8D
>HEADLINE: Boxed sets play to musical memories / Sample the roots of rock,
>synth sound and the industrial offbeat
>BYLINE: Edna Gundersen
>
>(. . .)
> Tangerine Dream, Tangents 1973-1983 (Virgin, 59 tracks, 5 CDs, $ 59.95).
>Tangerine's groundbreaking electronic soundscapes aren't for synth
fetishists
>only. The Berlin group, founded in 1967, sold 10 million albums, paved the
way
>for hot ambient/house acts like the Orb and Aphex Twin and influenced
>everything from the mind-numbing cadence of disco to the sonic beatfests of
>rap.
> Remastered by Dream leader Edgar Froese using new technology, the set,
with
>12 re-recorded tunes, boasts spectacularly crisp sound quality. Though
>incomplete (it excludes material before and after their Virgin Records
years,
>including debut album Electronic Meditation), the set captures their prime
in
>three discs of studio work, one of soundtrack material and one of
previously
>unreleased tracks.
>(. . .)
>
>Billboard, May 22, 1993
>SECTION: FRANCE; Spotlight; Pg. F4
>HEADLINE: Around The French Companies;
>DREYFUS SIGNS PETRUCCIANI, MARCUS MILLER FOR HIS JAZZ LINE
>
>(. . .)
> Girl singer Enzo Enzo is also winning acceptance abroad, having
completed a
>successful tour of Japan; and the Basque group Oio, whose melodic music has
>been compared to that of Tangerine Dream, sold 50,000 copies of the
'Anima'
>album in Germany.
>(. . .)
>
>USA TODAY, August 30, 1990, Thursday, FINAL EDITION
>SECTION: LIFE; Pg. 2D
>HEADLINE: A sneak peek at 'Chukker'
>BYLINE: Jeannie Williams
>
> Aspen's celebrity crowd has been invited to a Labor Day weekend
screening
>of The Great Chukker, which producer/director Larry Spangler calls the
first
>''rock-doc(umentary)'' on polo, with music by Tangerine Dream.
> Goldie Hawn, Kurt Russell, Don Johnson and Danny Sullivan have been
invited
>for the sneak peek.
> Spangler's film, due by Christmas, has its own share of stars: famed 10-
>goal Mexican polo player Memo Gracida, actor/player William Devane and
>socialite Marylou Whitney.
> Devane chats in the film about days when polo was big in Hollywood.
''Will
>Rogers had a field at his house ... and Walt Disney kept a stable of horses
>for friends to use.''
> Devane adds that polo ''keeps you on the edge all the time ... important
if
>you are an artist.'' Sylvester Stallone, he says, is ''a wonderful
player --
>strikes well, rides well.''
> Prince Charles also appears in clips as a very young player and from
1988
>-- saying so far he'd been lucky enough not to break a leg or an arm. He'll
>get a wry chuckle out of it - he broke his arm in a polo fall two months
ago.
>In the film he says polo, in general, ''shakes up my liver.''
> Spangler also is readying an animated, seven-minute cartoon of the
Rudyard
>Kipling story, The Maltese Cat, about polo ponies. It's Charles' favorite
>story, says Spangler, and will be shown with Chukker.
>
>The Washington Post, September 7, 1988, Wednesday, Final Edition
>SECTION: STYLE; PAGE F7
>HEADLINE: Spotlight;
>The Group With a Synth Of Adventure;
>Tangerine Dream's Long Electronic Music Quest
>BYLINE: Mike Joyce, Special to The Washington Post
>
> Synthesist Edgar Froese, the founder of Tangerine Dream, remembers all
too
>well the response the group received at its debut performance in Berlin in
>1969, including the 'apples, oranges and bananas' that pelted the stage.
>Although the concert was scheduled to run for 1 1/2 hours, the response was
so
>negative that the band walked off stage after only 20 minutes.
>(. . .)
>'I realized when [new age music] came on the market four or five years ago
>that it would be commercially successful,' he explains in a thick German
>accent. 'But I also knew that many people would understand that music to be
>coming from someone who had just smoked a ton of marijuana and was pressing
>down three keys. That's exactly what we're not into ... If you have
something
>to say musically, it's important not to lose sight of that.'
> Froese's disdain for music designed as some sort of sonic backdrop or
>yuppie therapy can be traced back to the band's first album, 'Electronic
>Meditations,' which in spite of its title was more stormy than soothing.
>Synthesist Claus Shulze, then the drummer, dubbed it the 'punk album of
>electronic music,' and Froese is delighted that it's become something of a
>cult hit in England recently.
> 'It was wild,' he concedes. 'An experiment against everything. Maybe it
had
>the same root that punk came from. You stand up and you're against
everything
>-- the establishment, some social movements, tastes in music, the
mainstream.
>And you say, 'Okay, let's turn everything upside down and start again.' '
> West Germany was a particularly healthy incubator for electronic music,
>Froese believes. After all, he says, there was no native rock tradition to
>draw on. Nearly everyone who took up music seriously was classically
trained,
>and while many, including Froese, were drawn to rock and blues, in the end
>those styles always sounded alien to their own culture. 'That's why so many
>German rock bands sound too German,' he says, laughing.
> The turning point for Froese came when he opened a couple of concerts
for
>Hendrix. 'I really saw, just a few feet away, what he did, but I never
figured
>out how he did it.' More importantly, Froese says, Hendrix showed him that
>'music doesn't have to follow along the same known routes, that you can
leave
>those routes and get something entirely different out of it. It's sort of
like
>traveling in open space.'
>(. . .)
> 'The films help pay our bills,' he says flatly. 'We've never had a Top
10
>hit in America, and we may never have one. I'm not sure about that.
Therefore,
>the films help us make a living and pay for our equipment ... But touring
is
>something I enjoy. This may be computer music, but we feel a real contact
with
>the audience at our shows. There's this electricity ...'
>
>Newsday, September 6, 1988, Tuesday, ALL EDITIONS
>SECTION: PART II; Pg. 7
>HEADLINE: The Dream: Still Human, After 20 Years
>BYLINE: By Stephen Williams
>
>(. . .)
> 'I personally feel prostituted by new age,' said Froese, shifting about
in
>his seat. 'With few exceptions, there is no quality in what today is called
>new age. I love rock and roll, where you can feel emotion.' Eddie Van
Halen,
>Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Nicks and Cyndi Lauper are among Froese's favorites,
as
>is Bruce Springsteen, although Froese has yet to see the Boss in
performance.
> 'He is one of the last blood, sweat and tears artists around . . . maybe
>the last one,' he said. 'If you get touched by it, and thousands of people
>stand up at the same moment, it must be something other than just
three-chord
>music.'
>(. . .)
>
>The Washington Post, February 2, 1987, Monday, Final Edition
>SECTION: STYLE; PAGE D1; TV PREVIEW
>HEADLINE: Singular Pleasures;
>'Tonight's the Night': Pickup Bar Froth
>BYLINE: Tom Shales, Washington Post Staff Writer
>
> It's cool and creamy and it takes about two hours to melt. No, not
Hamagen-
>Dazs chocolate chocolate chip. Well, that too. But also the 'ABC Monday
Night
>Movie,' 'Tonight's the Night,' at 9 on Channel 7. What a yummily
>pleasurable, superficial experience it is.
> Originally titled 'Single Bars, Single Men,' and thus something of a
>companion piece to the 1984 ABC movie 'Single Bars, Single Women,'
tonight's
>film follows the 'Grand Hotel' blueprint as it convenes a gaggle of
California
>singles at a smart-deco place called Henry's, all of 'em there in the hope
of
>making longingly desired connections.
> The script by Steven Humphrey and Sue Grafton does drop expectable
>buzzwords such as 'commitment' and 'involvement' and 'relationship,' butthe
>characters come attractively alive and don't just seem like
pop-sociological
>statistics. The director, Bobby Roth, exhibits very nice moves as he
maneuvers
>his searchers around the bar and into and out of one another's beds.
>(. . .)
>Much to its benefit, the film is wall to wall with music. Billy and the
>Beaters, as the band playing at Henry's, perform several friendly tunes.
The
>house deejay (Henry G. Sanders), who also seems to be the only black person
in
>the place, offers a heady stream of balmy Motunes. And additional, if
>fleeting, background music is supplied by Tangerine Dream. Channel 7 really
>ought to invest some of its enormous profits in stereocasting equipment if
the
>network is going to send down movies as musical as this.
>(. . .)
>
>Los Angeles Times, July 4, 1986, Friday, Home Edition
>SECTION: Calendar; Part 6; Page 9; Column 1; Entertainment Desk
>HEADLINE: 'LEGENDS': TANGERINE DREAM KNOWS THE SCORE
>BYLINE: By STEVEN SMITH
>
> Film music purists despise them. Studio heads view them as the pulse of
>teen audiences. Whatever your feelings about Tangerine Dream, they're
>probably extreme.
>(. . .)
> 'We got offers from the producers of 'Death Wish' and said no. Whoever
>wants to see such films can, and we've done films that had violence, but it
>was shown with a more social aspect. We also turned down the 'Conan'
films --
>a lot of people thought we were crazy.'
> As for critics who feel Tangerine Dream's music is mindlessly
repetitive,
>'believe it or not, I respect them, if they're serious,' Froese said. 'Sure
I
>disagree, but I don't make a lot of noise about it. Obviously it doesn't
mean
>it's the view millions of others have.'
>
>The New York Times, June 1, 1986, Sunday, Late City Final Edition
>SECTION: Section 2; Page 23, Column 1; Arts and Leisure Desk
>HEADLINE: STEVE REICH, A FORMER YOUNG TURK, APPROACHES 50
>BYLINE: By TIM PAGE
>
>(. . .)
> ''I had to learn to write 12-tone music at Juilliard and I greatly
resented
>it,'' he continued. ''I hope that my work won't be used as a recipe for
>academic music in the conservatories.'' Still, Mr. Reich is pleased that
>composers such as John Adams and Arvo Paert have admitted a debt to his
work.
>''They clearly have their own voices, but if my music can be useful to them
in
>any way, then I am delighted.''
> He is less happy with some other appropriations. ''I should be receiving
>royalties for the theme to 'Adam Smith's Money World,' and the whole
>soundtrack to the film 'Risky Business,' supposedly by a group called
>Tangerine Dream, was an out and out ripoff of 'Music for 18 Musicians.' I
>should have sued.
> ''Still, if I had a dime for every trace of 'The Rite of Spring' I've
heard
>in movie soundtracks, I'd be rich,'' he added. ''I don't think imitations
will
>sap the power of the originals. If anything, because of familiarity with
the
>sound, the original will come through more clearly. It will be
approachable,
>but particularly engaging, focused and musically cogent. Ezra Pound once
said
>that a classic is something that remains news and the best work is capable
of
>re-creating the context of its times.''
>(. . .)
>
>Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1986 Sunday, FINAL EDITION
>SECTION: THE ARTS; Pg. 16; ZONE: C
>HEADLINE: FOR TANGERINE DREAM, HOLLYWOOD CALLS TOO OFTEN TO GET THE SHOW
>ON THE ROAD
>BYLINE: By Lynn Van Matre, Pop music critic.
>
>(. . .)
> After 'Thief,' Mann went on to make a bigger mark in television with
>'Miami Vice,' featuring a score by Jan Hammer. Does Froese, who arguably
>helped pioneer the musical strategy that has contributed so much to the
>success of 'Vice,' feel just a little ripped off that Tangerine Dream
didn't
>get in on the 'Vice' action?
> 'It's a funny thing about that,' Froese says. 'The truth is that we
>were supposed to do 'Miami Vice.' But Michael (Mann) was starting the pilot
>for that show at the same time we had signed up to do the music for another
>television series called 'Street Hawk.'
> 'The producer of that show told Michael that we couldn't do 'Vice'
>because we were doing 'Street Hawk.' As it turned out, that wasn't true at
>all; we could have done both shows. But we didn't hear about all of this
until
>sometime later, and when we found out we were not very happy. Because, of
>course, 'Street Hawk' turned out to be a flop and 'Miami Vice' took off.
> 'But Jan did a fairly good job, and the series got what it needed,'
>adds Froese. 'So, it's OK.'
> Today's dance-oriented synth-pop scene is OK with Froese, too--for
other
>people, that is. You won't find him listening to any of it.
> 'I would not want to say the music is bull----,' he says, 'because a
>lot of people love it. But it's repetitious, and, to be honest, I have
>absolutely no interest in it.'
>(. . .)
>In the early days of Tangerine Dream, Froese's 'spacey ideas' were, often
as
>not, arrived at with help from psychedelic drugs. These days he takes a
pass
>not only on drugs but on cigarettes and alcohol. 'Today, I even think about
>whether or not tea and coffee qualify as drugs,' he says with a laugh.
> 'The funny thing is, most of my friends went the same way that I did,'
>he adds. 'A few of them eventually killed themselves with drugs, but most
of
>the others figured out that having a clear mind and a clear consciousness
is
>the best of all, because that means that you can be influenced more easily
by
>spiritual forces that can help you more than drugs ever could.'
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Subject: Re: I Have 900 Lines of TD-related Articles
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any one interested in a bootleg vid from shepards bush 97
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>
>
>Hi,
> I *finally* cleaned up some downloads of Tangerine Dream-related
>articles I got from the NEXIS/LEXIS pay database service three years
>ago. They total 900 lines of text. I sent a copy of the entire thing
>to Scott Plumer, so you can ask him his opinion of what I should do
>with it all. (Where *does* one archive TD-related stuff these days???)
> Anyways, below is the stuff that *I* found interesting:
>
> -- Steven Feldman
>+ + + + + + +
>
>USA TODAY, December 6, 1994, Tuesday, FINAL EDITION
>SECTION: LIFE; Pg. 8D
>HEADLINE: Boxed sets play to musical memories / Sample the roots of rock,
>synth sound and the industrial offbeat
>BYLINE: Edna Gundersen
>
>(. . .)
> Tangerine Dream, Tangents 1973-1983 (Virgin, 59 tracks, 5 CDs, $ 59.95).
>Tangerine's groundbreaking electronic soundscapes aren't for synth
fetishists
>only. The Berlin group, founded in 1967, sold 10 million albums, paved the
way
>for hot ambient/house acts like the Orb and Aphex Twin and influenced
>everything from the mind-numbing cadence of disco to the sonic beatfests of
>rap.
> Remastered by Dream leader Edgar Froese using new technology, the set,
with
>12 re-recorded tunes, boasts spectacularly crisp sound quality. Though
>incomplete (it excludes material before and after their Virgin Records
years,
>including debut album Electronic Meditation), the set captures their prime
in
>three discs of studio work, one of soundtrack material and one of
previously
>unreleased tracks.
>(. . .)
>
>Billboard, May 22, 1993
>SECTION: FRANCE; Spotlight; Pg. F4
>HEADLINE: Around The French Companies;
>DREYFUS SIGNS PETRUCCIANI, MARCUS MILLER FOR HIS JAZZ LINE
>
>(. . .)
> Girl singer Enzo Enzo is also winning acceptance abroad, having
completed a
>successful tour of Japan; and the Basque group Oio, whose melodic music has
>been compared to that of Tangerine Dream, sold 50,000 copies of the
'Anima'
>album in Germany.
>(. . .)
>
>USA TODAY, August 30, 1990, Thursday, FINAL EDITION
>SECTION: LIFE; Pg. 2D
>HEADLINE: A sneak peek at 'Chukker'
>BYLINE: Jeannie Williams
>
> Aspen's celebrity crowd has been invited to a Labor Day weekend
screening
>of The Great Chukker, which producer/director Larry Spangler calls the
first
>''rock-doc(umentary)'' on polo, with music by Tangerine Dream.
> Goldie Hawn, Kurt Russell, Don Johnson and Danny Sullivan have been
invited
>for the sneak peek.
> Spangler's film, due by Christmas, has its own share of stars: famed 10-
>goal Mexican polo player Memo Gracida, actor/player William Devane and
>socialite Marylou Whitney.
> Devane chats in the film about days when polo was big in Hollywood.
''Will
>Rogers had a field at his house ... and Walt Disney kept a stable of horses
>for friends to use.''
> Devane adds that polo ''keeps you on the edge all the time ... important
if
>you are an artist.'' Sylvester Stallone, he says, is ''a wonderful
player --
>strikes well, rides well.''
> Prince Charles also appears in clips as a very young player and from
1988
>-- saying so far he'd been lucky enough not to break a leg or an arm. He'll
>get a wry chuckle out of it - he broke his arm in a polo fall two months
ago.
>In the film he says polo, in general, ''shakes up my liver.''
> Spangler also is readying an animated, seven-minute cartoon of the
Rudyard
>Kipling story, The Maltese Cat, about polo ponies. It's Charles' favorite
>story, says Spangler, and will be shown with Chukker.
>
>The Washington Post, September 7, 1988, Wednesday, Final Edition
>SECTION: STYLE; PAGE F7
>HEADLINE: Spotlight;
>The Group With a Synth Of Adventure;
>Tangerine Dream's Long Electronic Music Quest
>BYLINE: Mike Joyce, Special to The Washington Post
>
> Synthesist Edgar Froese, the founder of Tangerine Dream, remembers all
too
>well the response the group received at its debut performance in Berlin in
>1969, including the 'apples, oranges and bananas' that pelted the stage.
>Although the concert was scheduled to run for 1 1/2 hours, the response was
so
>negative that the band walked off stage after only 20 minutes.
>(. . .)
>'I realized when [new age music] came on the market four or five years ago
>that it would be commercially successful,' he explains in a thick German
>accent. 'But I also knew that many people would understand that music to be
>coming from someone who had just smoked a ton of marijuana and was pressing
>down three keys. That's exactly what we're not into ... If you have
something
>to say musically, it's important not to lose sight of that.'
> Froese's disdain for music designed as some sort of sonic backdrop or
>yuppie therapy can be traced back to the band's first album, 'Electronic
>Meditations,' which in spite of its title was more stormy than soothing.
>Synthesist Claus Shulze, then the drummer, dubbed it the 'punk album of
>electronic music,' and Froese is delighted that it's become something of a
>cult hit in England recently.
> 'It was wild,' he concedes. 'An experiment against everything. Maybe it
had
>the same root that punk came from. You stand up and you're against
everything
>-- the establishment, some social movements, tastes in music, the
mainstream.
>And you say, 'Okay, let's turn everything upside down and start again.' '
> West Germany was a particularly healthy incubator for electronic music,
>Froese believes. After all, he says, there was no native rock tradition to
>draw on. Nearly everyone who took up music seriously was classically
trained,
>and while many, including Froese, were drawn to rock and blues, in the end
>those styles always sounded alien to their own culture. 'That's why so many
>German rock bands sound too German,' he says, laughing.
> The turning point for Froese came when he opened a couple of concerts
for
>Hendrix. 'I really saw, just a few feet away, what he did, but I never
figured
>out how he did it.' More importantly, Froese says, Hendrix showed him that
>'music doesn't have to follow along the same known routes, that you can
leave
>those routes and get something entirely different out of it. It's sort of
like
>traveling in open space.'
>(. . .)
> 'The films help pay our bills,' he says flatly. 'We've never had a Top
10
>hit in America, and we may never have one. I'm not sure about that.
Therefore,
>the films help us make a living and pay for our equipment ... But touring
is
>something I enjoy. This may be computer music, but we feel a real contact
with
>the audience at our shows. There's this electricity ...'
>
>Newsday, September 6, 1988, Tuesday, ALL EDITIONS
>SECTION: PART II; Pg. 7
>HEADLINE: The Dream: Still Human, After 20 Years
>BYLINE: By Stephen Williams
>
>(. . .)
> 'I personally feel prostituted by new age,' said Froese, shifting about
in
>his seat. 'With few exceptions, there is no quality in what today is called
>new age. I love rock and roll, where you can feel emotion.' Eddie Van
Halen,
>Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Nicks and Cyndi Lauper are among Froese's favorites,
as
>is Bruce Springsteen, although Froese has yet to see the Boss in
performance.
> 'He is one of the last blood, sweat and tears artists around . . . maybe
>the last one,' he said. 'If you get touched by it, and thousands of people
>stand up at the same moment, it must be something other than just
three-chord
>music.'
>(. . .)
>
>The Washington Post, February 2, 1987, Monday, Final Edition
>SECTION: STYLE; PAGE D1; TV PREVIEW
>HEADLINE: Singular Pleasures;
>'Tonight's the Night': Pickup Bar Froth
>BYLINE: Tom Shales, Washington Post Staff Writer
>
> It's cool and creamy and it takes about two hours to melt. No, not
Hamagen-
>Dazs chocolate chocolate chip. Well, that too. But also the 'ABC Monday
Night
>Movie,' 'Tonight's the Night,' at 9 on Channel 7. What a yummily
>pleasurable, superficial experience it is.
> Originally titled 'Single Bars, Single Men,' and thus something of a
>companion piece to the 1984 ABC movie 'Single Bars, Single Women,'
tonight's
>film follows the 'Grand Hotel' blueprint as it convenes a gaggle of
California
>singles at a smart-deco place called Henry's, all of 'em there in the hope
of
>making longingly desired connections.
> The script by Steven Humphrey and Sue Grafton does drop expectable
>buzzwords such as 'commitment' and 'involvement' and 'relationship,' butthe
>characters come attractively alive and don't just seem like
pop-sociological
>statistics. The director, Bobby Roth, exhibits very nice moves as he
maneuvers
>his searchers around the bar and into and out of one another's beds.
>(. . .)
>Much to its benefit, the film is wall to wall with music. Billy and the
>Beaters, as the band playing at Henry's, perform several friendly tunes.
The
>house deejay (Henry G. Sanders), who also seems to be the only black person
in
>the place, offers a heady stream of balmy Motunes. And additional, if
>fleeting, background music is supplied by Tangerine Dream. Channel 7 really
>ought to invest some of its enormous profits in stereocasting equipment if
the
>network is going to send down movies as musical as this.
>(. . .)
>
>Los Angeles Times, July 4, 1986, Friday, Home Edition
>SECTION: Calendar; Part 6; Page 9; Column 1; Entertainment Desk
>HEADLINE: 'LEGENDS': TANGERINE DREAM KNOWS THE SCORE
>BYLINE: By STEVEN SMITH
>
> Film music purists despise them. Studio heads view them as the pulse of
>teen audiences. Whatever your feelings about Tangerine Dream, they're
>probably extreme.
>(. . .)
> 'We got offers from the producers of 'Death Wish' and said no. Whoever
>wants to see such films can, and we've done films that had violence, but it
>was shown with a more social aspect. We also turned down the 'Conan'
films --
>a lot of people thought we were crazy.'
> As for critics who feel Tangerine Dream's music is mindlessly
repetitive,
>'believe it or not, I respect them, if they're serious,' Froese said. 'Sure
I
>disagree, but I don't make a lot of noise about it. Obviously it doesn't
mean
>it's the view millions of others have.'
>
>The New York Times, June 1, 1986, Sunday, Late City Final Edition
>SECTION: Section 2; Page 23, Column 1; Arts and Leisure Desk
>HEADLINE: STEVE REICH, A FORMER YOUNG TURK, APPROACHES 50
>BYLINE: By TIM PAGE
>
>(. . .)
> ''I had to learn to write 12-tone music at Juilliard and I greatly
resented
>it,'' he continued. ''I hope that my work won't be used as a recipe for
>academic music in the conservatories.'' Still, Mr. Reich is pleased that
>composers such as John Adams and Arvo Paert have admitted a debt to his
work.
>''They clearly have their own voices, but if my music can be useful to them
in
>any way, then I am delighted.''
> He is less happy with some other appropriations. ''I should be receiving
>royalties for the theme to 'Adam Smith's Money World,' and the whole
>soundtrack to the film 'Risky Business,' supposedly by a group called
>Tangerine Dream, was an out and out ripoff of 'Music for 18 Musicians.' I
>should have sued.
> ''Still, if I had a dime for every trace of 'The Rite of Spring' I've
heard
>in movie soundtracks, I'd be rich,'' he added. ''I don't think imitations
will
>sap the power of the originals. If anything, because of familiarity with
the
>sound, the original will come through more clearly. It will be
approachable,
>but particularly engaging, focused and musically cogent. Ezra Pound once
said
>that a classic is something that remains news and the best work is capable
of
>re-creating the context of its times.''
>(. . .)
>
>Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1986 Sunday, FINAL EDITION
>SECTION: THE ARTS; Pg. 16; ZONE: C
>HEADLINE: FOR TANGERINE DREAM, HOLLYWOOD CALLS TOO OFTEN TO GET THE SHOW
>ON THE ROAD
>BYLINE: By Lynn Van Matre, Pop music critic.
>
>(. . .)
> After 'Thief,' Mann went on to make a bigger mark in television with
>'Miami Vice,' featuring a score by Jan Hammer. Does Froese, who arguably
>helped pioneer the musical strategy that has contributed so much to the
>success of 'Vice,' feel just a little ripped off that Tangerine Dream
didn't
>get in on the 'Vice' action?
> 'It's a funny thing about that,' Froese says. 'The truth is that we
>were supposed to do 'Miami Vice.' But Michael (Mann) was starting the pilot
>for that show at the same time we had signed up to do the music for another
>television series called 'Street Hawk.'
> 'The producer of that show told Michael that we couldn't do 'Vice'
>because we were doing 'Street Hawk.' As it turned out, that wasn't true at
>all; we could have done both shows. But we didn't hear about all of this
until
>sometime later, and when we found out we were not very happy. Because, of
>course, 'Street Hawk' turned out to be a flop and 'Miami Vice' took off.
> 'But Jan did a fairly good job, and the series got what it needed,'
>adds Froese. 'So, it's OK.'
> Today's dance-oriented synth-pop scene is OK with Froese, too--for
other
>people, that is. You won't find him listening to any of it.
> 'I would not want to say the music is bull----,' he says, 'because a
>lot of people love it. But it's repetitious, and, to be honest, I have
>absolutely no interest in it.'
>(. . .)
>In the early days of Tangerine Dream, Froese's 'spacey ideas' were, often
as
>not, arrived at with help from psychedelic drugs. These days he takes a
pass
>not only on drugs but on cigarettes and alcohol. 'Today, I even think about
>whether or not tea and coffee qualify as drugs,' he says with a laugh.
> 'The funny thing is, most of my friends went the same way that I did,'
>he adds. 'A few of them eventually killed themselves with drugs, but most
of
>the others figured out that having a clear mind and a clear consciousness
is
>the best of all, because that means that you can be influenced more easily
by
>spiritual forces that can help you more than drugs ever could.'
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>Really-From: 'DATMECHANIK'
>
>
>can lawry sim please contact dat mechanik i,ve lost your e mail
I can see why.
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Date: Sat May 23, 1998 3:12
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Subject: Re: Music to listen before death
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> Really-From: Gabe Yediditagain
>
> > Bach rocks! I treasure highly my double-disc sets of bach's organ
fugues
> > (cue many-an-'organ'-joke from Dano...;-)
>
> Are these Peter Hurford's set on London, by any chance?
Nope. I've got an Anthony Newman one, and a (great) set by Walter Kraft
playing the Frobenius Organ in Krist Kirke at Tonder, Denmark & the Johan
Niclas Cahman Organ in Leufsta Bruks Kyrka; that one [Bach: Organ Music
Vol. 1] is actually pretty common in Tower Records, Virgin Megastores, Best
Buys, etc,...
E-Munster
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Hi tadream@c... (tadream mailing list),
>Me neither !
>
I'm almost finished. I've done tree's 1 & 2 for you, just doing the other 6
tapes for the other exchange!
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> You think you have a problem, my ISP's mail server is very
> touchy and at times refuses to delete messages off the service.
> So today I have loaded and deleted 61 messages THREE times.
> $#@$$%*&^%$#^^$$@!@$%&^%$#@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> joel
A few weeks back I went to France, and when I got back I had 300 or
so e-mails, which I patiently downloaded. The next day I logged in and
had about 350 e-mails... the previous download hadn't deleted the old
ones! I still had to download them all so I could get at my new ones.
This went on for a few days, until I was downloading at least 500 e-mails
per day, just so I could read my new ones. This was an absolute nightmare!
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> What other TD stuff would be great for wedding music. So far I'm having at
> least 'Ghazal' being played.
> Pete
If people need to boogie... why not try some Dream Mixes?
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For the benefit of new members on the list, I have approximately
25 TD midi files. If you'd like to receive them, just drop me a line.
Cheers,
Lawry Simm
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In a message dated 98-05-18 15:57:21 EDT, you write: Mr. Feldman:
<< 'Scenario visioning' maybe, but poetry? Quite a few people consider
poets to be effette by nature, especially if they're male. >>
I would love to hear Mr. Heil's interpretation of Tangram that he
mentioned a week or so ago, but I sure would hate for him to be labeled
effete. Though, how you could guess whether he were sterile or not is beyond
me. Perhaps he's just decadent. 8-0
I believe the word you were searching for was effeminate. And how you can so
blythely toss off every male poet the world has ever known blows my mind. You
just condemned everyone from Shakespeare to Robert Frost to John Lennon not to
mention all the songwriters out there including Mr Froese himself. Somehow I
don't picture him as effeminate and he certainly isn't sterile. Dell
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Recommended reading:
http://www.shopping.com
search for Tangerine Dream....
It ends up being several pages long, so I won't post it.
Andrew
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(I watch
>ST:DEEP SPACE 9, ST:VOYAGER, EARTH:FINAL CONFLICT, THE X-FILES, and
>SHOWTIME'S THE OUTER LIMITS--which, show per show, is hands-down
>better than THE X-FILES, by the way--but not B5.)
The Outer Limits is great, but um, there are no strong characters and no
character development, let alone involving stories that could last longer
than 2 hours. I think there are very few will agree that the Outer Limits
is 'better' than X-Files. The production quality just isn't there...
feldon@p...
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>Really-From: joelm@b...
>
>Hope this helps (you may know most of this already) I have all the B5 CDs
if you
>have any more questions on them.( I have all the released Franke stuff if
you have ?)
>
>Joel
> > 9 [UK:] THE DREAM MIXES (UK vers. of 95 rel has diff cover and a
2nd disk)
>
>True, Disk 1 is identical to Miramar release, second disc adds 6 new mixes
(total 40:46)
Actually, it has 2 radio mixes, which are shorter (3 minutes average), 2
further remixes (remixes of the remixes, turn up the bass) and 2 totally
unreleased tracks, Sojus (rockin!) and Iowa (uh oh, feel a coma coming on...)
feldon@p...
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At 12:59 PM 5/22/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>
>Hi,
> What are the actual dates for the Pink and Blue Years?
Pink is before Virgin, Blue is after Virgin.
1970-1973 = Pink
1983-1986 = Blue
then there are the Melrose years, etc. etc.
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
Sorry for the confusion... I have 25 midi files, only 4 of which are my
creation. The others are ones that I have picked up here and there.
Hell, it takes me long enough to do one.. never mind 25! I wish I had
the time. :-)
Cheers,
Lawry
(The 'cheers' is just for you Dano! :-) )
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
maybe this was already posted but here's the poop on 'the best of tangerine
dream; the blue years'
castle comm ccscd824 made in england, castle communications 1998;
tracks: horizon (excerpt), ride on the ray, scuba scuba, underwater
twilight, 21st century common man (part 2), vigour, the cliffs of sydney,
hyde park, zen garden, livemiles (albuquerque excerpt <--albuquerque, yeah,
right ;-)
it's NOT remastered nor does have jerome's dqc mastering
lars
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I decided to see if I put this URL
in if it would bring me anywhere.. it
connected and said :
-Forbidden..-
-You don't have permission to access / on this server.-
A common message that comes up when
a server only allows access to certain people.
Why this name though?
I wonder if it's related to TD
Greg H.
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
I shared these once...hope I can relive the feelings here...
Trying to dredge up those memories....
OK...
'Gaudi Park'
I feel myself aloft, descending from high in the sky, through the clouds,
into the airspace right above some great metropolis of the future.
Sunset on a partly cloudy day, the horizon is almost alive with with hues
of purple and orange, with some oncoming clouds creating ominous
shadows. I lower myself still further...although it seems like things
are passing faster around me, it's just the change from covering a larger
area. I'm at the top of the city's 'canopy', taking a high speed tour at
the very top of the city's highest skyscrapers and arcologies. Looking
down, I see hovering vehicles buzzing about everywhere, writhing masses of
brightly dressed people moving far below them in the streets, which seem
almost ensconced in craters from this height. The city is dark so low
there, the only real light coming from on and within its buildings. The
buildings...have nothing to offer but my own blurred, streaking
reflection in their vast sheets of windows, hundreds of meters in height.
Occasionally a vehicle takes off from on--or in--one, joining the net of
aerial traffic not so far below. I try to picture myself a part of it all,
and find myself with false feelings of security, pride, and hope. It all
seems the same everywhere I look, so monolithic, assembled, and unnatural.
Finally reaching the edge of the city's airspace, I rise higher
again...and resume my course towards who knows where, glad to leave the
city behind me a fleeting memory.
'Cinnamon Road'
Weird. It's a hot afternoon along a highway in some anonymous desert,
but it looks like the American Southwest. Pulled up along the side of
the highway, near a beaten-up sign, is a Volkswagen 'Peacemobile',
complete with psychedelic paint job and obligatory peace sign. 4 people
are outside the vehicle looking at a road map, one more sitting on top
of the van's roof, plucking away at a sitar. I draw closer...they don't
notice me. These are friends of mine...I know them, except for the one
on the roof, whose strikingly bright long blond hair hides his face--I know
it's a guy because of the thick, curly hair on his arms and legs. The others
don't recognize me...and they all look pretty different from how I know them,
too. Their clothes and hair are an odd mix of hippie and biker. The two
guys have thick muttonchop sideburns and ponytails--I chuckle because it's SO
unlike them in real life. One of the girls, who's pretty 'tight' in real
life, is wearing a pretty low-cut, tight-fitting shirt, skin tight jean
shorts, and weird boots that are a cross between cowboy and platform
shoes. Her hair is wild and unkempt, also a stark contrast to her usual
grooming. The other girl, a dedicated black-denimer in this world, is in
full hippie regalia--floral-patterned bandanna tied 'round her forehead,
leather vest with embroidered flowers, peace pendant and hook earrings,
flaring bell-bottom jeans.
It's all REALLY amusing, yet, all I find myself concerned with is
penetrating the identity of that sitar player on the roof.
Even more curiously, these are the only two TD pieces that have ever
evoked these kinds of 'visions' in me. Both of these were daydreams I
had listening to these pieces--and yeah, I was sleeping.
Gabe
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Really-From: 'Greg Heil'
> Really-From: AOutland
>
>
> In a message dated 98-05-18 15:57:21 EDT, you write: Mr. Feldman:
>
> << 'Scenario visioning' maybe, but poetry? Quite a few people
consider
> poets to be effette by nature, especially if they're male. >>
>
> I would love to hear Mr. Heil's interpretation of Tangram that he
> mentioned a week or so ago, but I sure would hate for him to be labeled
> effete. Though, how you could guess whether he were sterile or not is
beyond
> me. Perhaps he's just decadent. 8-0
> I believe the word you were searching for was effeminate. And how you can
so
> blythely toss off every male poet the world has ever known blows my mind.
You
> just condemned everyone from Shakespeare to Robert Frost to John Lennon
not to
> mention all the songwriters out there including Mr Froese himself.
Somehow I
> don't picture him as effeminate and he certainly isn't sterile. Dell
I think most males try to figure out things, take things apart,
ask why and how it works, find an explanation, etc. Many
scientists are the same way, all creative people must provide
something new to this Earth. I like to enjoy art on a high level,
and take as much from it as I can. Some people may come
out and admit that at some level of appreciation of TD or any
artform, things click into place--meanings are arrived at--it
makes sense, the artform suddenly has more meaning than
its parts (for lack of the German term which means the same)
It's easy to appreciate music solely on its technical merits, or
how things transition, or how much addrenalin it provokes through
the listerners veins.
Music tries sometimes to evoke messages.. environments--The Orb
still has to use words spoken to provide that. Obviously, being very
literal is the way most music is today.. lyrics. But TD has been the most
difficult group to attach meaning to, and I think that is because it works
in a broader sense of an environment and those things inside--or even
an explanation of a question we as a society cannot answer, but one person
can express (a theory)
I hope to write about Tangram soon.. I am currently attaching the segments
and understanding their meanings together.
P.S. I mostly write depressive poetry, as I am a depressed type of
person, actually bi-polar... if you have any questions as to why I write
such things as things as this, I can't give you an answer, I just have to.
Greg H.
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tape tree 5 is now closed...heres the REAL final structure...tapes are being
distributed as we speak...please contact your new dubbing friends...have a
good holiday...tom w ... np: freezone 2
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EUROPE
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Really-From: 'Jim Moore'
This is somewhat related to TD, I guess...
I noticed this line in the last Sonic Images newsletter:
>The most recent soundtrack releases from Sonic Images include:
>'The Sentinel' with music from James Newton Howard and Jeff Porcaro
(ex-Toto).
>
Didn't Jeff Pocaro die in 1993? Wouldn't that make him more 'ex-life' than
'ex-Toto'?
- jim
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Subject: Trabbi... (delayed message) + Highway to Hell
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Really-From: Vic Rek
>Really-From: Vic Rek
Sorry fellow readers. It took four days for this message about 'Trabbi..'
to reach the list. Servers sometimes act very strange. Once I received a
message that was over 6 months old. The person that sent it to me just
thought I was ignoring them. Sorry for the interruption but you can never be
sure someone got a message unless they confirm it with you (just to be safe).
Now some TD content. Anyone need a NTSC VHS original cassette of the movie
'Highway to Hell'? I saw a copy for sale at a very low price. There is
some TD music from Miracle Mile on it I hear.
Vic
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Really-From: Mak0shark
Q. What other TD music would be good for a wedding?
A. I had our DJ play the Rumplestiltskin Theme (track # 2 off of the
Rumpletstiltskin soundtrack) as I (the groom) and our wedding party walked in.
The DJ liked the song enough that he bought a copy of the CD himself to have
for future weddings.
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>> What other TD stuff would be great for wedding music. So
>far I'm having at
> >least 'Ghazal' being played.
>
> Interesting thread! 'Cool at Heart' wouldn't be bad, or maybe
>'Birth of Liquid Plejades.'
Perhaps the title track from 'White Eagle'?
--Quarlie (who will now resume lurking)
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Subject: Highway to Hell
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Yes Vic, I reported this a couple of months ago. At the end credits they give
thanks to TD for additional music. Tom
In a message dated 98-05-24 10:08:16 EDT, you write:
<<
Now some TD content. Anyone need a NTSC VHS original cassette of the movie
'Highway to Hell'? I saw a copy for sale at a very low price. There is
some TD music from Miracle Mile on it I hear.
Vic >>
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----Original Message Follows----
Really-From: feldon@p...
(I watch
>ST:DEEP SPACE 9, ST:VOYAGER, EARTH:FINAL CONFLICT, THE X-FILES, and
>SHOWTIME'S THE OUTER LIMITS--which, show per show, is hands-down
>better than THE X-FILES, by the way--but not B5.)
The Outer Limits is great, but um, there are no strong characters and no
character development, let alone involving stories that could last
longer than 2 hours. I think there are very few will agree that the
Outer Limits is 'better' than X-Files. The production quality just isn't
there...
feldon@p...
Really-From: Jim Jordan 'njpeople@h...'
I strongly disagree that the production quality of the X-Files even
approaches that of The Outer Limits, however, this does not prevent me
from liking the X-Files much more. Frankly, I preferred the old Outer
Limits series (with all its low production). The new series, more often
than not, presents a bleak future for mankind.
Basically, man has no chance, and continues to lose, time after time on
the new series. This position is diametrically opposed to the original
series. The new series is obviously easier to write, since losing is
easier in most challenging situations. The old Outer Limits series is
still one fo my favorites. Current series favorites include X-Files,
Millenium, Star Trek Voyager, Deep Space Nine and Poltergeist: The
Legacy. Deep Space Nine can be vexing, in that several plot lines which
could have been extended over long periods of time to great success,
were collapsed down to resolution within two episodes, detracting from
the overall impact.
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'Greg Heil' wrote:
> I decided to see if I put this URL in if it would bring me anywhere.. it
>connected and said :
>- -Forbidden..-
An InterNIC search provides the following information:
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Tangerine Dream, Inc. TANGERINEDREAM-DOM
P.O. Box 1861
Hoboken, NJ 07030
USA
Domain Name: TANGERINEDREAM.COM
Administrative Contact:
Bonen, Richard C. RCB11 tdream@M...
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Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
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Someone should write to this guy and ask him about it, wouldn't you say? :>
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On Thu, 21 May 1998 18:07:10 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
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Where did you get _that_ from????
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Hi,
There is a new CD out from the group Vixen its called 'Tangerine' -
check out:
http://cmcinternational.com/vixen.html
Some have the idea that TD have made a CD called 'Vixen' - I think they mix up
the artists and titles!
Dream ON!
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Hi, dreamers.
I'm looking for MASTER of fan tapes from concerts of this tour (UK Tour
'97). So, if you have a master tape of these concerts and you want to make a
record trade, write me.
UK TOUR:
10.29.97 Bristol (Colston Hall)
10.31.97 Nottingham (Usher Hall)
11.1.97 Glasgow (Royal Concert Hall)
11.2.97 Leeds (Town and Country Club)
11.3.97 Birmingham (Symphony Hall)
11.4.97 Manchester (Apollo City Hall)
11.6.97 London (Shepherd's Bush Empire)
Best regards,
José Ramón
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dreamers
one correction to the final tape tree structure:
>(3) bruno@c...
-- the above address is no longer valid, please email chris at:
bruno21@a...
(if chris has already corrected this, sorry for the bandwidth use but I'm
on the digest)
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>> I decided to see if I put this URL in if it would bring me anywhere.. it
>>connected and said :
>>- -Forbidden..-
>
>An InterNIC search provides the following information:
>
>---
>
>Tangerine Dream, Inc. TANGERINEDREAM-DOM
> P.O. Box 1861
> Hoboken, NJ 07030
> USA
>
> Domain Name: TANGERINEDREAM.COM
>
> Administrative Contact:
> Bonen, Richard C. RCB11 tdream@M...
> (212)862-8811
> Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
> Mindspring Domreg MDP-ORG domains@M...
> 888-932-1997
>Fax- - 404-287-0883
> Billing Contact:
> MindSpring Domain Billing MDB5-ORG domain.billing@M...
> 404-815-0770 Fax 404-287-0883
>
>---
>
>Someone should write to this guy and ask him about it, wouldn't you say?
I found that site about a year ago (at the time, it wasn't 'forbidden'). It
advertised a vintage car service of some sort called Tangerine Dream. I saw no
mention of the band anywhere on the site (though I did see some amusing claims
like 'if you're looking for a classic car, Tangerine Dream can help!' or some
such). Perhaps the real TD's lawyers found out about the site and had it shut
down.
--Quarlie (who has failed to resume lurking as claimed)
NP: Vangelis, 'Direct'
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At 04:51 AM 5/25/1998 EDT, you wrote:
>Really-From: Virtuality
>
>
>'Greg Heil' wrote:
>
>> I decided to see if I put this URL in if it would bring me anywhere.. it
>>connected and said :
>>- -Forbidden..-
[....]
>Tangerine Dream, Inc. TANGERINEDREAM-DOM
> P.O. Box 1861
> Hoboken, NJ 07030
> USA
[....]
>Someone should write to this guy and ask him about it, wouldn't you say? :>
And tell him what?
BTW, this Tangerine Dream is not a guy.....it is a vintage automobile
locator service. Been in business for MANY years. If TD had an exclusive
legal right to the name in Hoboken, NJ, they would have already put it to
rest. Don't you think?
I am much more interested in the resort hotel in Mexico, also called
Tangerine Dream. They have some really good-looking maids.
Andrew
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jim wrote
> current favorites include,x files,millenium,star trek
voyager,deep space nine,poltergeist the legacy.
i aggree all the series are great except deep space nine, i cant get on
with that at all, one other i would add to the list which i think is fantastic
is highlander the series.
its a shame richie died though.
regards nick
np tangerine dream danger live
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Subject: Tangerine Dream - Don't walk - Dream Now
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
Hi fellow dreamers,
here's something for the completists in our midst:
Groove unlimited, Netherlands, offers a rare item TD as followed:
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MINIMUM BID is US$ 75
Tangerine Dream - Don't walk - Dream Now
We have 2 copies of this double LP metalbox. Players: Froese, Franke, Joliffe,
Krieger.
It's a metal box of 1200 grams, numbered and limited to 200 copies. The number
is engraved in the metal like:
171/200. Both LPs and box are in mint condition. With inlay card and newspaper
clippings (press qoutes).
Recorded live at Berlin - Eissporthalle 1978.
1.The blue side [24:20]
2.The yellow side [25:35]
3.The red side [24:31]
4.The green side [24:29]
The colors refer to the labels on the LP
----------------------------------------------
check http://mcs.nl/groove/auction.html for further information
Thought it might be interesting.
Anyone knows anything about this bummer ?
Good luck,
Jens
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Hi. I was just wondering how Wavestar's 'Moonwind' is. I keep seeing it for
sale and was wondering if I should pick it up. Tom
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> Hi. I was just wondering how Wavestar's 'Moonwind' is. I keep seeing it for
> sale and was wondering if I should pick it up. Tom
Get it. That's an order! You won't be sorry.
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from my import dealer's new release list:
21329-TANGERINE DREAM MYSTERY TRACKS CD (UK) 06/08/98 [$22.49] $19.95
Soundtracks
21330-TANGERINE DREAM SOL ET LUNA MYSTERY TRACKS VOL 2 CD (UK) 06/08/98
[$22.49] $19.95
Back in stock for probably the last time
21331-TANGERINE DREAM ANTARKTIS CD (UK) 06/08/98 [$22.49] $19.95
Rarities. Back in stock for probably the last time
21332-TANGERINE DREAM IN DEN GARTEN PHARAOS CD (UK) 06/08/98 [$22.49] $19.95
Live in 1991. Back in stock for probably the last time
21333-TANGERINE DREAM VIXEN CD (G) 06/08/98 [$26.95] $24.95
GERMAN. New album
21334-TANGERINE DREAM POPOL VUH BRI RATIKON CD (UK) 06/08/98 [$22.49] $19.95
Compilation of rare tracks
tom w
np: muslimgauze - tandorri dog
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Hello, Tadreamers.
BTW, I'm selling two CD of Wavestar : Zenith and Mind Journey.
Please, e-mail off list if you are interested.
Greetings to all,
Fred
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Really-From: 'Nigel Merrick'
Hi All
I'm intrigued by this thread of poetry and the Tangs and have one item to
contribute to this discussion... There is one track in particular that has
conjured a stirring image for me and I, too, wrote a poem to try to express
a little of what it said to me... Anyway here is a poem to:
'Elf June and The Midnight Patrol'...
Biting cold, boots snap on hardened frost
Smoke rising, fighting through chill night air
Soldier squints, aching memory recalled
Of loved ones lost or far away
Marching to the ice-locked beat
Red Square, white and glowing
Stepping out the slow release
Guarding the real killers in the citadel
Burnt-out ash flutters to the boot-marked snow
Soldier pauses on the corner alone
Breath solid in thin air, Soldier makes his turn
To return upon the road he’s made in the night
But his path is blocked by a sight unseen
From the mist Elf June appears before him
To lay a hand upon his troubled brow
The snow is gone, the cold nothing but a memory
A moment only, but the heart is warmed
The soul is fuelled and the spark rekindled
Truth is truth, lies always lies and
Stone walls and wire, human spirit not contain
Elf June recedes, her work now is done
Soldier sighs, resumes his step to the steppes
In the east, dawn reaches her fingers to the clouds
And ice falls from the Kremlin walls.
-end-
Very best regards to you all, wherever you are, from Bermuda
Nigel Merrick
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Really-From: Mark Fonda
This is probably old hat to most of you, but I just learned of the OEDIPUS
TYRANNUS score that TD composed in 1974 between the releases of Phaedra and
Rubycon. It was made for an English play of the same name but was never
released because TD was not pleased with it. I see also that some of it was
released in 1977 with the 'Desert Dream' track on their Encore Live release.
Does anyone know any more about this score? Was there more to it than what
was put on Encore? It's hard to believe that anything by
Froese/Franke/Baumann could be unworthy of release.
Mark
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Subject: Testing, testing
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Our internet connection here at work was broken for a couple of days, so
I'm sending this to test whether I'm still subscribed!
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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Hi everyone,
I would like to have some comments about the second album of remix TD stuff
(Stratofear, tangram, etc..) which I forgot the title. It suppose to be all
analog. Any good remix on this or is it all scrap!!!
Claude Roy
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> Really-From: 'Claude Roy'
>
> I would like to have some comments about the second album of remix TD
stuff
> (Stratofear, tangram, etc..) which I forgot the title. It suppose to be
all
> analog. Any good remix on this or is it all scrap!!!
If you're talking about _Tangerine Ambience_ II, then get it! It's great!
E-Man
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One of my ten favorite ever - get it!!!!
Larry
>Really-From: TangerineC
>
>
>Hi. I was just wondering how Wavestar's 'Moonwind' is. I keep seeing
>it for
>sale and was wondering if I should pick it up. Tom
>
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>Really-From: TWeibre361
>
>from my import dealer's new release list:
>
>21329-TANGERINE DREAM MYSTERY TRACKS CD (UK) 06/08/98 [$22.49] $19.95
> Soundtracks
>
>21330-TANGERINE DREAM SOL ET LUNA MYSTERY TRACKS VOL 2 CD (UK) 06/08/98
>[$22.49] $19.95
> Back in stock for probably the last time
>
>21331-TANGERINE DREAM ANTARKTIS CD (UK) 06/08/98 [$22.49] $19.95
> Rarities. Back in stock for probably the last time
>
>21332-TANGERINE DREAM IN DEN GARTEN PHARAOS CD (UK) 06/08/98 [$22.49] $19.95
> Live in 1991. Back in stock for probably the last time
>
>21333-TANGERINE DREAM VIXEN CD (G) 06/08/98 [$26.95] $24.95
> GERMAN. New album
>
>21334-TANGERINE DREAM POPOL VUH BRI RATIKON CD (UK) 06/08/98 [$22.49] $19.95
> Compilation of rare tracks
>
>
>tom w
Funny how Boots seem to circulate in a periodic fashion. I've seen these 5
boots (not Vixen) around every record fair I've been to for the last year, but
nowhere before that. In fact, just this Sunday past, I went to the local fair
and picked up Raetikon - superb.
I also spotted Klaus Schulze's United Stated EightyThree double CD (on numerous
stalls) and picked that up too. Boy, was I sick! This is a pirate(!) of
Festival Hall Volumes 1 and 2 - maybe not recorded at the same location but
certainly the same music. I wouldn't have minded much, but I already have FH1
on my trade list 'cos I don't like it!
Anyone interested in either FH1 or US83, contact me privately.
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Subject: Re: Oedipus Tyrannus
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>Really-From: Mark Fonda
>This is probably old hat to most of you, but I just learned of the OEDIPUS
>TYRANNUS score that TD composed in 1974 between the releases of Phaedra and
>Rubycon.
>...
> Was there more to it than what was put on Encore?
Hi Mark,
do you really live in Aruba? Cool!
You will probably see a lot of discussion here about Oedipus Tyrannus
in the next few weeks as there will be a D:Live discussion based on a
number of rare recordings that have recently been distributed to fans
via means of a 'tape tree'.
This music was indeed recorded by TD in the London BBC studios and so
a version of quite good quality has sneaked out - about 25 minutes
long. If there is more I don't know, but those 25 minutes are
certainly out there.
Most of it is not that exciting and it does include the droning part
that you can find on Encore's 'Desert Dream', but it also includes a
fantastic 6 or 7 minute melodical segment that I personally find
extremely melancholic and among their best music from that time. But I
suggest you wait for the D:Live thread to learn more about it...
Hilmar
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59
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Subject: Re: Music for Supermarkets??
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Really-From: Flemming Larsen
Dennis Nigbur wrote :
>Really-From: mlivsey@n... (Mike Livsey)
>On Thu, 21 May 1998 18:07:10 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>NP: JMJ - Music For Supermarkets
>Mike Livsey
>
>Where did you get _that_ from????
Bootleg. Rest assured it's not the original album. Only one
copy was ever made.
There's been a rumour about a bootleg comming out
now for some time. The only problem was finding a
taped copy that was good enough.
I've had a taped copy for many years now. Though the
quality isn't the best.
Flemming.
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Really-From: Lambert Ringlage
I agree with Jeffrey regarding Stratos fear as one of the most impressive
LPs TD have ever done.
Maybe this music is worth-while listening after death too...? ;-)
>
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> Lambert Ringlage
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Subject: For Sale
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I've got THE BEST OF THE 01/W CD for sale which features Edgar's solo track
'Michiko.' This interesting disk also contains tracks by Geoff Downes, Keith
Emerson, Eddie Jobson and Rick Wakeman, among others. 10 tracks total. I
believe it's out of print. Edgar's track is very cool.
It's up for auction. Best offer gets it. Please email me off list with your
offer.
Thanks,
Alan Cox
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Subject: RE: Oedipus Tyrannus
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>This is probably old hat to most of you, but I just learned of
the OEDIPUS
>TYRANNUS score that TD composed in 1974 between the releases of
Phaedra and
No, Mark, the correct line is 'I read in Scott's wonderful,
informative book that. . .' :-D
>Rubycon. It was made for an English play of the same name but
was never
>released because TD was not pleased with it. I see also that
some of it was
>released in 1977 with the 'Desert Dream' track on their Encore
Live release.
>Does anyone know any more about this score? Was there more to
it than what
>was put on Encore? It's hard to believe that anything by
>Froese/Franke/Baumann could be unworthy of release.
Very true, but think of it like this: They were in their improv
period, and every live show they played was taped and worthy of release,
at least IMHO. So they had oodles of stuff that could be released. But
the stuff they released was, by their standards, their best stuff. I'd
bet they saw OT as just a quickie, kinda like a live show, and not
really important enough to commit to vinyl. Does that make sense?
Scott
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Subject: Luminous Visions DVD
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Really-From: Vic Rek
I just picked up the DVD of Luminous Visions (Sony SMV LVD 49484). It
comes in the typical DVD packaging and has a statement on the back that
reads 'Free full-length CD soundtrack by Tangerine Dream Inside
(includes 3 bonus tracks previously unreleased in the U.S.)'. There is
s purple/yellow round sticker on the plastic wrap that states something
similar.
This CD looks identical to the one that came in the VHS box, except that
it doesn't come in a nice jewel case, just in a plain black sleeve
inside the DVD case. There are 12 tracks on it, but I still need to
compare it with the jewel case version to be positive about this.
One interesting note is that on the back there is a statement about
bonus video footage: 'Interview with Tangerine Dream'.
BTW, Does anyone have the Canyon Dreams DVD? Is there a booklet
included with the packaging?
Vic
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> Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> [...] I'd
> bet they saw OT as just a quickie, kinda like a live show, and not
> really important enough to commit to vinyl. Does that make sense?
Well, didn't Virgin take part of this performance (Overture) and put it
on their double sampler LP titled 'V'?
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: THE GREAT CHUKKER: Documentary on Polo w/ TD Soundtrack
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Folks,
Since no one said anything about it, I am posting this particular
article I got from LEXIS/NEXIS again, since it concerns a TD soundtrack
that I do not believe anyone here on the Internet Movie Database has
ever mentioned before (maybe because it's a documentary, and hence
never was released theatrically).
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
PUBLICATION: Copyright 1990 Gannett Company Inc.
USA TODAY
August 30, 1990, Thursday, FINAL EDITION
SECTION: LIFE; Pg. 2D
LENGTH: 224 words
HEADLINE: A sneak peek at 'Chukker'
BYLINE: Jeannie Williams
BODY:
Aspen's celebrity crowd has been invited to a Labor Day weekend screening
of The Great Chukker, which producer/director Larry Spangler calls the first
''rock-doc(umentary)'' on polo, with music by Tangerine Dream.
Goldie Hawn, Kurt Russell, Don Johnson and Danny Sullivan have been invited
for the sneak peek.
Spangler's film, due by Christmas, has its own share of stars: famed 10-
goal Mexican polo player Memo Gracida, actor/player William Devane and
socialite Marylou Whitney.
Devane chats in the film about days when polo was big in Hollywood. ''Will
Rogers had a field at his house ... and Walt Disney kept a stable of horses
for friends to use.''
Devane adds that polo ''keeps you on the edge all the time ... important if
you are an artist.'' Sylvester Stallone, he says, is ''a wonderful player --
strikes well, rides well.''
Prince Charles also appears in clips as a very young player and from 1988
-- saying so far he'd been lucky enough not to break a leg or an arm. He'll
get a wry chuckle out of it - he broke his arm in a polo fall two months ago.
In the film he says polo, in general, ''shakes up my liver.''
Spangler also is readying an animated, seven-minute cartoon of the Rudyard
Kipling story, The Maltese Cat, about polo ponies. It's Charles' favorite
story, says Spangler, and will be shown with Chukker.
LANGUAGE: ENGLISH
- END -
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tadream mailing list wrote:
> Where did you get _that_ from????
>
> Dennis
Want a copy?
--
Brian Frick
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: RISKY B Alert! 'Mandala' is Another LoaRT Variant!
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Groan,
Just when I thought all the RISKY BUSINESS-related items had been
found and/or identified, along comes 'Mandala,' which had its Western
Hemisphere premiere (it was originally shown on Japanese HD-TV about
eight years ago) when Jerome appeared on the German radio show named
Electrobeats and played some obscure TD-related stuff. According to
what Jerome said, 'Mandala' is an excerpt from a 20-minute piece, but
I seem to recall hearing that it was an hour long. Whatever its
length, though, it is most certainly a variant of 'Love on a Real
Train' (henceforth to be called Reich's Lament, hee hee?), from the
RISKY BUSINESS soundtrack.
-- Steven Feldman
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
| 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein |
| 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me |
+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +
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Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59
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Subject: TD News from DREAM COLLECTOR
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Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (Peter Stoeferle)
'Dream Collector' newsletter #23 has been mailed. Some topics of our previous
issues have lead to some confusion and strange rumours on this Mailing List,
thus we have decided to provide a short summary of the main topics of the new
issue this time... ;-)
- TDI announces the first 12 CDs from the 25 CD bulk to be out within the
next weeks. The CDs will also be available in a 'Dream Dice' box set.
- Edgar Froese explains why he will take legal steps against 'Electronic
Orgy' and 'Macula Transfer'.
- An official release of 'The Keep' will be further delayed... (until ???)
- TD have the idea (read: idea, not plans!) for some concerts in Europe this
summer.
'Dream Collector' is a private-run, non-profit information source, but not an
official publication of Tangerine Dream. This newsletter in English language is
published some eight times a year. Orders are still taken... ;-)
For subscription info, please drop a line to: peter.stoeferle@t...
Cheers,
Peter Stoeferle (editor)
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Subject: Tangerine Ambience II
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>> Really-From: 'Claude Roy'
>>
>> I would like to have some comments about the second album of
>> remix TD stuff
>> (Stratofear, tangram, etc..) which I forgot the title. It suppose to be
> all analog. Any good remix on this or is it all scrap!!!
>If you're talking about _Tangerine Ambience_ II, then get it! It's great!
>E-Man
I'll second that. I just received my copy only 2 days ago from Kent
Eskilden. ( I think he may still have one or two left...). It is really good
stuff.
Kent's e-mail is kent-nbe@p...
(Hope you don't mind Kent!)
Regards,
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Subject: Re: Moonwind
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Tom,
If you like 80's TD, you'll like Wavestar's Moonwind. You can tell they were
listening. Go get it.
-Bob
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Subject: MACULA TRANSFER
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WHAT IS ALL THE STINK ABOUT THE 'MACULA TRANSFER'CD ? I ORDERED A COPY FROM AN
IMPORTER AND HE HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING IT!!!! CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN?
THANKS!
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> WHAT IS ALL THE STINK ABOUT THE 'MACULA TRANSFER'CD ? I ORDERED A COPY FROM AN
> IMPORTER AND HE HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING IT!!!! CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN?
> THANKS!
NO PROBLEM DUDE!!! THERE REALLY ISN'T A BIG DEAL ABOUT MACULA
TRANSFER....BUT YOU MADE IT A BIG DEAL WHEN YOU FORGOT TO TURN YOUR CAPS
LOCK OFF!!! OH WELL!! IT HAPPENS!!!! NOW YOU KNOW!!! LATER DUDE!!!
DANO!!!!!
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I think the DUDE is mistaken.I saw on this mail sight where Edgar was filing
suit over Electronic Orgy and Macula Transfer.There must be a reason.By the
way DUDE I turned my Caps Lock off just for you.Later Man!!!
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
A bloke - what's his face ?, Brown with a number, chocolate ? -
asked :
>I saw on this mail sight where Edgar was filing suit over Electronic Orgy and
Macula >Transfer.There must be a reason.
Money ? Ethics ? A grip ?
There was a company owning the rights for Macula Transfer,
but Herr Froese still had a kinda veto, so that he had to be asked
for his permission for any release/deal. The company dealed with
Manikin records WITHOUT asking him.
Now it seems this company (not Manikin!) will get serious trouble
because they dealed without permission.
Hope this helps
Jens
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> I think the DUDE is mistaken.I saw on this mail sight where Edgar was filing
> suit over Electronic Orgy and Macula Transfer.There must be a reason.By the
> way DUDE I turned my Caps Lock off just for you.Later Man!!!
Interesting. I'm curious, what site did you see Edgar filing suit over
Electronic Orgy??
Dano
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Subject: Re: TD News from DREAM COLLECTOR
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Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (Peter Stoeferle)
>
>
> - TDI announces the first 12 CDs from the 25 CD bulk to be out within the
> next weeks. The CDs will also be available in a 'Dream Dice' box set.
Titles? Which titles? A 'Dice' box? They swiped that idea from Rush: _Roll
The Bones_, didn't they?
> - Edgar Froese explains why he will take legal steps against 'Electronic
> Orgy' and 'Macula Transfer'.
At least he's not taking steps against Volumes Two & Three ;-)
> - An official release of 'The Keep' will be further delayed... (until
???)
Not losing any sleep over this one...!
> - TD have the idea (read: idea, not plans!) for some concerts in Europe
this
> summer.
Goody, goody gumdrops. I hope they *cybercast* a show!!!!!!!
E-Man
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Really-From: 'Harri Ikonen'
> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> BTW, Does anyone have the Canyon Dreams DVD? Is there
> a booklet included with the packaging?
I've got it, but I must say it's probably the poorest DVD in my
collection -- the are NO extras (not to mention a booklet), and the picture
looks like the DVD master has been made from a bad video tape. Before
getting it I was thinking about purchasing True North as well, but if all
Simitar discs are like this I'll skip it. I also sent mail to the Tangerine
Dream HQ asking if Oasis will come out on DVD, but I haven't received a
reply yet.
And speaking about DVDs... TD is mentioned in the Risky Business cast & crew
information section, Firestarter on the other hand doesn't have any extras.
Harri
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Subject: Electro Beats
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Really-From: Lambert Ringlage
Does anybody know where the radio show 'Electrobeats' is broadcasted.
What is the name of the radio station and who is the 'showmaster' ?
Lambert Ringlage
Messings garten 7
D-45147 Essen
Germany
phone/fax: (0)201-733018
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Really-From: TWeibre361
In a message dated 98-05-27 00:51:05 EDT, you write:
<< Money ? Ethics ? A grip ?
There was a company owning the rights for Macula Transfer,
but Herr Froese still had a kinda veto, so that he had to be asked
for his permission for any release/deal. The company dealed with
Manikin records WITHOUT asking him.
Now it seems this company (not Manikin!) will get serious trouble
because they dealed without permission.
>>
id venture to guess that klaus schulze's relationship with manikin influenced
kommander froese's decision...
tom w
sp: lemongrass - drumatic universe
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Subject: Macula BTH
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Really-From: Michael A Jean
I got a note a few weeks ago that Beyond the Horizon would be selling
copies of Macula Transfer (Manikan Version)...
MJ
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>> I think the DUDE is mistaken.I saw on this mail sight where
Edgar was filing
>> suit over Electronic Orgy and Macula Transfer.There must be a
reason.By the
>> way DUDE I turned my Caps Lock off just for you.Later Man!!!
>Interesting. I'm curious, what site did you see Edgar filing
suit over
>Electronic Orgy??
I think he meant this mailing list. I wonder who he's suing?
Scott
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> >Interesting. I'm curious, what site did you see Edgar filing
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> >Electronic Orgy??
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> >Interesting. I'm curious, what site did you see Edgar filing
> suit over Electronic Orgy??
>
> I think he meant this mailing list. I wonder who he's suing?
Everyone on the mailing list who admitted to buying a copy.
OOPS! Did I say I had one? I was...uh....lying, yeah, that's it! :-)
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>> I think he meant this mailing list. I wonder who he's
suing?
>Everyone on the mailing list who admitted to buying a copy.
Good luck.
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I was told today about a Private Music CD-ep promo-only jobbie
called 'Oranges Don't Dance'.
I haven't heard of this before, and was wondering if anyone knows
the track listing and any other info about it.
Thanks in advance,
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This is actually going to happen! :-)
I'll be posting the items for discussion during the first week in June
for a discussion start on Sunday 7th June.
I believe everyone has trees 1 + 2, and most people have 3 + 4,
with 5 + 6 being duplicated as we speak.
I hope everyone with the material takes part in the discussions, and
people don't just get the tapes and drop back into lurker mode.
I'll be looking forward to each and every comment and thought on the
material up for discussion.
Start listening (really listening) now, and get your thoughts ready... it
really isn't far off now.
Lawry
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In a message dated 98-05-27 14:28:31 EDT, you write:
<< This is actually going to happen! :-)
holy smokes...
I'll be posting the items for discussion during the first week in June
for a discussion start on Sunday 7th June.
bad timing...the world cup starts that week...
I believe everyone has trees 1 + 2, and most people have 3 + 4,
with 5 + 6 being duplicated as we speak.
only 5 is currently being dubbed...
I hope everyone with the material takes part in the discussions, and
people don't just get the tapes and drop back into lurker mode.
I'll be looking forward to each and every comment and thought on the
material up for discussion.
Start listening (really listening) now, and get your thoughts ready... it
really isn't far off now.
please, i cant listen to those tapes again....
tom w
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>Date: Tue, 26 May 98 23:05 +0100
>Subject: Re: TD News from DREAM COLLECTOR
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>Really-From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (Peter Stoeferle)
>
>TDI announces the first 12 CDs from the 25 CD bulk to be out within the
>next weeks. The CDs will also be available in a 'Dream Dice' box set.
Hmmm, what could be in this box set? Could it be . . .
70 ELECTRONIC MEDITATION
72 ZEIT
86 LEGEND
87 TYGER
87 THREE O'CLOCK HIGH
87 DEADLY CARE
88 OPTICAL RACE
88 LIVE MILES
89 LILY ON THE BEACH
89 DESTINATION BERLIN
89 CATCH ME IF YOU CAN
92 ROCKOON
and if there's newer stuff in the batch . . .
97 JIM & PABLO: DER METEOR
97 AMBIENT MONKEYS
Now, wouldn't *that* be a hum-dinger? NOT! :( ;) At any rate,
it *would* explain the name choice of DREAM DICE--insofar as it would be
something to throw against the wall, or something that has crapped out
(or something that was crapped out, heh).
>Edgar Froese explains why he will take legal steps against 'Electronic
>Orgy' and 'Macula Transfer'.
I didn't know that legal steps could be taken against bootleggers
by anyone other than the FBI.
>An official release of 'The Keep' will be further delayed... (until ???)
Ooo, I'm *so* surprised. Now, what KEEP item is supposed to be
rare? I forgot. ;) Is it the 1984 LP or the 1997 CD? D'oh! ;)
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Hilmar wrote:
> do you really live in Aruba? Cool!
Yes, and it's cool for the first few months... then it's just one tiny little
island... thank god for e-music to keep my sanity!!
> You will probably see a lot of discussion here about Oedipus Tyrannus
> in the next few weeks as there will be a D:Live discussion based on a
> number of rare recordings that have recently been distributed to fans
> via means of a 'tape tree'.
Thanks for the info... I'll stay tuned.
Scott wrote:
> >This is probably old hat to most of you, but I just learned of
> the OEDIPUS
> >TYRANNUS score that TD composed in 1974 between the releases of
> Phaedra and
> No, Mark, the correct line is 'I read in Scott's wonderful,
> informative book that. . .' :-D
But of course... 'Mysterious Semblance' is the best!! (commissions accepted).
There is also mention of OT in Paul Stump's 'Digital Gothic', and I also
just realized that I already have 'Overture' on my copy of Electronic Orgy
(disc #1).
Mark
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>Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:50:49 EDT
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>Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
>
>>I believe everyone has trees 1 + 2, and most people have 3 + 4 [. . .]
>>I'll be looking forward to each and every comment and thought on the
>>material up for discussion.
>
>>Start listening (really listening) now, and get your thoughts ready...
>>it >really isn't far off now.
>
>please, i cant listen to those tapes again....
Is the stuff really that bad (in your opinion)? It is no surprise
that quite a few TD fans--even those who love RICOCHET and/or RUBYCON--
are not too keen on anything before 1974 (with the possible exception of
GREEN DESERT, which really doesn't count since it was TANGENT-ized in
the first place), so I'm wondering if that's why you'd rather not have
to listen to those tapes again anytime soon . . . or if you meant that
you would rather not *ever* hear those tapes again, and really only
procured them for the following three reasons:
o they were an excellent deal and such a deal will not make itself
available again
o better to have a chance to check something out which you may or may
not like rather than having no chance at all
o you like some of the 1970-1973 TD material, but feel that the best of
what there is from that period is better represented by the official
releases than by sundry live performances, now that you've heard live
tapes from that period
I haven't heard any of the Tape Tree #1 and #2 tapes, yet, so I am
not trying to sway anybody, here. I was just curious why you made the
statement you did.
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In a message dated 98-05-23 14:12:15 EDT, you write: Morgan Feldon
<<
The Outer Limits is great, but um, there are no strong characters and no
character development, let alone involving stories that could last longer
than 2 hours. I think there are very few will agree that the Outer Limits
is 'better' than X-Files. The production quality just isn't there...
feldon@p...
>>
In comparison, the X-files is like a continuing saga with characters
being developed over a long period of time subject to change at the whim of
any writer but more or less sustained to maintain the drama. Outer Limits does
not have this luxury and is more like a series of short stories wherein the
characters and plot have to be developed and understood by the audience within
an hour program. Much harder to do IMO and yet done very well. But we are way
off subject here. OK. So, let me put this in TD perspective. You are trying to
compare Tangram with Catch Me If You Can. Obviously, Tangram takes more time
to develop it's theme and allows the mind to fly on many fantasies. Catch Me
was developed with one purpose in mind: to enhance the action of a movie. It
does not need you to interpret what the music means; the movie itself is
already telling you what it needs and this music envelopes the action and does
it perfectly. Dell
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Really-From: Jim Jordan 'njpeople@h...'
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
I believe everyone has trees 1 + 2, and most people have 3 + 4,
with 5 + 6 being duplicated as we speak.
I hope everyone with the material takes part in the discussions, and
people don't just get the tapes and drop back into lurker mode.
---------------------------------
Call me uneducated, call me backward, call me what you will,
but I don't understand the concept involved with these 'tape trees'.
Can you explain it for me? ...a-n-d s-p-e-a-k s-l-o-w-l-y ...
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Really From: Jim Jordan 'njpeople@h...'
----Original Message Follows----
It is no surprise
that quite a few TD fans--even those who love RICOCHET and/or RUBYCON--
are not too keen on anything before 1974 (with the possible exception of
GREEN DESERT, which really doesn't count
________________________________
Maybe I'm in the wrong place. I started listening when Atem was
released and like just about everything (except perhaps Electronic
Meditation and Rubicon a bit less).
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At 07:02 PM 5/27/98 PDT, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan'
>
>Call me uneducated, call me backward, call me what you will,
>but I don't understand the concept involved with these 'tape trees'.
>Can you explain it for me? ...a-n-d s-p-e-a-k s-l-o-w-l-y ...
Rather than one person making 50 copies of a CD and selling either tapes or
CDRs to people (which is both a lot of work, and opens you up to legal
action), a tape tree gives the members of the 'tree' the task of making no
more than about 5 copies of the master tape.
Master CD/DAT ---> CDR --> tape
| \ \\`-> tape
\ \ \`-> tape
\ \ `-> tape
\ \
\ `-> CDR --> CDR -> tape
\ | \ \`-> tape
\ \ \ `-> tape
\ \ `-> CDR
\ `--> CDR
`-> CDR -> tape
\`-> tape
`-> tape
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> Really-From: Steven Feldman
[...]
> >Edgar Froese explains why he will take legal steps against 'Electronic
> >Orgy' and 'Macula Transfer'.
>
> I didn't know that legal steps could be taken against bootleggers
> by anyone other than the FBI.
There is no FBI in Germany. Over here, copyright violation is a criminal
offense and prosecuted by the Staatsanwaltschaft (office of the Attorney
of the State - public prosecutor).
(The copyright holder needs to make a formal complaint, and I assume that
is what is meant by Edgar taking 'legal steps'.)
Bye,
Jens (whose dad once did this kind of thing...)
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Hi Lambert!
Great to see you are on tadream, I really like your music!!!! Good idea
asking about 'Electro Beats', I think you should be on their show. I
'discovered' you when your were studio guest at 'Schwingungen' years ago...
I am going to answer in english since this will be crossposted to the list
as well, ok?
Electrobeats is broadcast on 'Radio Eins' which is a radio station operated
jointly by SFB (Sender Freies Berlin) and ORB (Ostdeutscher Rundfunk
Brandeburg). Basically, it is the old SFB 1 in a modern updated version,
like WDR1 turned into 'Eins Live' some years ago.
You should be able to find them on the internet, either by looking on the
homepages of ORB or SFB. The station can be received in all of Berlin and
Brandenburg (obviously) and also via Satellite (ASTRA) as an audio
subcarrier of ORB-TV, so you can even receive it in Essen if you have the
right equipment. Let me know if you need transponder info.
Electro Beats is broadcast every Sunday Night / Monday early morning from
1:00 am to 5:00 am. A terrible time, but for real fans there are always
means to tape it and listen to it later (I do it with DAT in longplay
mode). At least 4 hours is a nice long show, and since it is the only one
of its kind in Germany...
The host of the show is Olaf Zimmermann. So I suggest you look up ORBs or
SFBs address on the Web and write to them care of Olaf Zimmermann to
establish contact....and I hope to hear you there sometime soon!
Schoene Gruesse aus Berlin, wenn es weitere Fragen gibt oder ich irgendwie
helfen kann, bitte jederzeit mailen!
Ciao,
Hilmar Kraft
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>
>I was told today about a Private Music CD-ep promo-only jobbie
>called 'Oranges Don't Dance'.
>
>I haven't heard of this before, and was wondering if anyone knows
>the track listing and any other info about it.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Lawry Simm
>
>lawrysimm@u...
Lawry,
I don't have it at hand but it's a 5 track single with no new
music on it.
Kees
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>Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
>
>> I'll be posting the items for discussion during the first week in June
>> for a discussion start on Sunday 7th June.
>
>bad timing...the world cup starts that week...
??? - Don't tell me that anybody in the US cares about that :-)
I thought only us Europeans, South Americans and Asians will be offline
during that time...
Hilmar
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Hey folks... I unexpectedly have two extra tickets to the Kraftwerk concert
at the Hollywood Palladium on June 8. Anyone who is interested, please
contact me.
Mark
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
Check out: http://www.dotmusic.com/premier/. They're running a poll
where you vote for the five best albums of all time. You can win a case
of Carling if they pick your entry. I voted for Phaedra, plus Pink
Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon & The Wall, Genesis' The Lamb, and King
Crimson's Court of the Crimson King.
Scott
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>> >This is probably old hat to most of you, but I just
learned of
>> the OEDIPUS
>> >TYRANNUS score that TD composed in 1974 between the
releases of
>> Phaedra and
>> No, Mark, the correct line is 'I read in Scott's
wonderful,
>> informative book that. . .' :-D
>But of course... 'Mysterious Semblance' is the best!!
(commissions accepted).
Thanks, Mark, your check's in the mail. Oops, I meant that for
private e-mail. :-)
Scott
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At 05:59 AM 5/28/1998 -0400, Hilmar wrote:
>>bad timing...the world cup starts that week...
>
>??? - Don't tell me that anybody in the US cares about that :-)
>
>I thought only us Europeans, South Americans and Asians will be offline
>during that time...
Except that many Americans are emigrated Europeans. :-)
I wonder if the Froeses watch football (soccer).....
Andrew
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lawry writes:
>I believe everyone has trees 1 + 2, and most people have 3 + 4,
>with 5 + 6 being duplicated as we speak.
-- actually tree 5 is being distributed solo; trees 6-7 will go together,
as will 8-9, 10-11, 12-13, 14-15, 16-17, & 18 will again go out alone.
this is due to the number of tapes being distributed at any one time and
tree 5 has alot.
--> for those wondering 'why?!' some trees were combined to save postage
costs for everyone involved.
lars
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Subject: don't understand tape trees? read this
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dreamers
OK for those of you who don't yet grasp the tape tree concept,
I'll repost this once again (the 4th time?) (sorry but my compuserve
mailer won't let me reset the width option and fix the stupid
line-ending problem)
--> if you're not new and haven't yet bothered to read this
or have refused to read any of the tons of explanations that have
been posted about what a tape is, there's nothing more I
can say or do...politely. I'd suggest (once again) going back into a
digest archive and reading february's digests, you'll find plenty there.
--> if you STILL don't understand tape trees and ACTUALLY want to
participate (as opposed to those whose intentions are really to sit on
the sidelines and bitch), then I would suggest that you sign up for
the next tree (Nos. 6-7) and take it from there -- they are really
pretty simple and inexpensive and they really don't bite or anything
like that; hell, you don't even have to use a condom and you almost
never have to take it in the ass (unless you are the seed or
the administrator -- both of whom speak from experience)....
you know, active learning (eg doing) is really better than passive
learning (reading)....
dub-on
lars
(who finds it interesting that most of the tape-tree criticism comes
from those NOT on the trees...... we'll just have to wait for june 7
to see if there really are any 'satisfied customers' out there)
(thanks to tomw for this explanation from the pink f-ies)
##### ## ##### ###### ##### ##### ###### ######
# # # # # # # # # # #
# # # # # ##### # # # ##### #####
# ###### ##### # # ##### # #
# # # # # # # # # #
# # # # ###### # # # ###### ######
If a tapetree falls in the cyber-forest, and there is no one around to
hear it, would it make a sound ?
Who needs information ?
What follows is a rather lengthy eplanation on tapetrees, based on
info found on the net (most notably the phish archives www.phish.net),
advice from other echosians and my own limited experience in running
tapetrees. If you have any questions, comments and/or suggestions
please contact me at:
gerhard@j...
Thanks ..
Wot's .. uh .. the deal ?
A tape tree is a way to get a tape spread out fast through many people.
Example:
The Essential Roio Tree.
I have a set of roio tapes that I think any serious floyd fan should
hear. There are (at a rough estimate) a 150 serious floyd fans who
do not yet have this particular tape on echoes. This would mean I
would have to dub 150 copies.so I organise a tree. I [0] dub a copy
for 5 people [1] who each dub a copy for 5 people [2] who make a copy
for 5 people [3], and so 150 people have gotten a copy, while noone
had to make more than 5 dubs.
Any colour you like
You can be either a
SOURCE: -> meaning you already have the tape that's being treed, and
you're willing to dub copies [0] in the above
a SOURCE is sometimes known as SEED.
BRANCH: -> you don't yet have a copy, but if you get a copy through the
tree, you are willing to DUB copies [1] and [2] in the above
BRANCH LEADER: ->
aka TOP LEVEL BRANCH, the persons who are getting copies
straight from the SOURCE, [1]
LEAF: -> you don't have a copy, you do want one, but you are unable to
dub copies, due to lack of time and/or lack of decent
equipment.[3]
PARENT/CHILD:
A PARENT dubs copies for his/her CHILD, a CHILD gets copies from
the PARENT. in the above [1] is the PARENT of [2], [2] is the
CHILD of [1], and the PARENT of [3], [3] is the CHILD of [2].
Take up they tapedeck and play
How to get your copy ?
Sign up for the tree,
after an announced period of time everyone who has signed up receives
a copy of the full tree structure, and a note gets posted to echoes
saying that the copy has been mailed out to all who participated, or
if the tree is large, a note is posted to echoes, saying that the
treestructure is made public on http://some.web.site/some/where, and
that those whitout webacces, should contact the organizer to receive
a copy of the structure. Many people prefer to get a confirmation
when they sign up, but it's a lot of work to confirm each message
you get, so not all tree managers do this. If you did sign up,
but didn't get a copy this is the moment to contact the organizer.
Biding my time
Once you have gotten the structure, wait for your branchleader to
contact you, or contact him, and if you are a SOURCE or BRANCH,
contact your leaves. And then have patience .. your parent does her
best to get the tapes out as fast as she can, and so do her
parents, but tape trees can easily get delayed .. international
mail takes a week (maybe two) to get around, dubbing takes time. On
a big tree (6 tapes per dub) estimate a month delay for each level
between you and the source, and that is provided nothing strange
happens to cause further delays.
Money
Tape trees are done for fun, and to spread good music around, not for
monetary gain .. act accordingly ..
You either trade with your branch, or do a 2:1 trade [see further on]
What shall we do now ?
Proper behaviour:
the following are just guidelines, no rules, just guidelines.
*administrator*
- shall allow enough time for people to sign up
- shall make it clear when the deadline for subscription is
- shall not flood echoes with subscription info (once a week is
enough)
- shall keep echoes up-to-date w.r.t. relevant info.
- shall be there to help solve conflicts/problems on the tree
- shall do her best to make sure people can get the tree structure
- shall not beat people out of frustartion when things go again
different than planned
Tree PARENT:
- shall contact her children upon receiving the tapes from her
PARENT.
- shall contact CHILD upon receiving of the tapetreesturcture to
arrange the trade
- shall do her upmost to get the tapes to her CHILDren asap.
- shall _never_ _ever_ _under_ *NO* _circumstance_ use HiSpeed
dubbing, nor autoreverse dubbing.
Tree CHILD:
- shall contact PARENT upon reception of the tree sturcture to
arrange the trade
* Trade shows or trade 2:1 blanks
* type of tapes, what length
* send tapes or tapes and boxes
- shall mail a complete package to PARENT including
* the trade
* wot's uh the deal was (a printout of the last (few)emails
works miracles
* the return adress.
- shall have patience
- shall mail a note after receiving the tapes
- shall not complain on echoes about the trade, but shall try to
work things out with parent, or failing that with the
administrator.
The happiest tapes of out lives
Mailing the tapes -- more guidelines --
(again this is all MHO, guidelines, not rules)
* use a padded envelope
* make your envelope reusable, safe the rainforests
* reuse envelopes
* pack your tapes correctly
- if you send tapes with boxes, magic tape them together,
so that they form one stronger whole (remember aesop)
- if you send tapes sans boxes (I prefer this)
-> if doing a 2:1 trade, the extra tapes should be sent
WITH boxes unless otherwise agreed with parent
use some elastic band (or suchlike) to keep the tapes
tightly wound (put band through holes, wrap around the
back, pronto).
do *not* scotch tape tapes whitout boxes together
* if you do a 2:1 trade, send *new* tapes, in boxes.
* use enough postage
* when mailing international, mail tapes as GIFT on the custom form
* when mailinbg crosscontinental, send tapes AIRMAIL
(from me (netherlands) to australia takes less than 2 weeks
airmail, but takes over 2 months per seamail)
A sourcefull of secrets
Other sources of information
* the trading guidelines on echoserv
(email to echoserv@t... with a body of)
send trading.guidelines echoes
quit
* the phish archives (www.phish.net) have a few chapters about
tapetrees.
* the broken arrow (Neil Young) website has some info and pointers
as well
2:1 trades
For each tape you want atped, you sent 2 tapes. One will get send
back to you, the other tapes is to cover postage costs for the
taper. The second tape should preferably be a new TDK SA-90 or
Maxell Xl-II 90 tape (the tapetraders unit of currency).
Buying tapes.
The following adresses have been recommended to me by ``satisfied
customers'', as suppliers of tapes for a decent price.
* USA
``btw, for USA Branches: If you need to buy blanks at cheap prices.
Call my friends at Terrapin Tapes in Greenwich, CT. They have
damn good prices! Shipping is free if you buy 50 or more tapes!
Call them at 1-800-677-8650.''
* Europe
> email: sales@t...
> Web: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/tapehouse
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Subject: Re: D: Live: Are Trees 1 + 2 That Bad?
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In a message dated 98-05-27 20:30:34 EDT, you write:
<< >please, i cant listen to those tapes again....
Is the stuff really that bad (in your opinion)? >>
I haven't heard any of the Tape Tree #1 and #2 tapes, yet, so I am
not trying to sway anybody, here. I was just curious why you made the
statement you did.
not at all...but, when i make 8 dubs of the same tape, and begin to commit to
memory almost every minute detail of the music, i know ive heard enough for
the time being...
tom w
np: namlook/laswell - outland 3
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Subject: Re: D: Live
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In a message dated 98-05-28 06:01:08 EDT, you write:
<< >> I'll be posting the items for discussion during the first week in June
>> for a discussion start on Sunday 7th June.
>
>bad timing...the world cup starts that week...
??? - Don't tell me that anybody in the US cares about that :-)
I thought only us Europeans, South Americans and Asians will be offline
during that time...
>>
will be watching (and offline), especially when sampson's army shows you
germans a thing or two about playing soccer....
tom w
np: the official usa soccer theme: the battle hymn of the republic
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Subject: Re: Kraftwerk in LA
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In a message dated 98-05-28 06:05:55 EDT, you write:
<< Hey folks... I unexpectedly have two extra tickets to the Kraftwerk concert
at the Hollywood Palladium on June 8. Anyone who is interested, please
contact me.
>>
and i have a pair for nyc...
tom w
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Subject: Astral Landscapes
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I heard mention on this list of this 2 CD release called 'Astral
Landscapes'. Does anyone have any information on this. Is it a sampler
or a TD compilation?
Thanks,
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Subject: one more message from me -- posters
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Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...>
I recently found my klaus schulze poster but I can't remember which album
it was in? moondawn? does anyone know? it's a 6-fold poster of 6 scenes KS
in concert in front of his big moog? (apologies to the gear heads) the
light is sort of reddish... any help (off list or on is appreciated)
oh, yeah, was the tyger poster sent out with tdifc membership the big
honker that says 'tyger, the next studio album'?? and the tyger image is
the one from the relativity cd
please let me know thanks
lars
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Subject: RE: Interesting list
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>http://www.shopping.com
>search for Tangerine Dream....
Below is a list of what they showed. Unfortunately, all the
stuff you want, they say 'Not currently available for purchase.'
Scott
Discography
TITLE
MEDIA
YEAR
Ardem O (Argonautica Americana Part 2)
Album
B.C. Soundtracks
Album
Cloudburst
Album
Collected Endings (Argonautica Americana,
Part 3)
Album
Danger Live
Album
Dead Solid Perfect
Album
Emerald Beyond [Limited Edition]
Album
Me-Rad [Argonautica Americana, Part 1]
Album
Mojave
Album
Somnambulistic Imagery
Album
Sound and Effects
Album
Soundtrack for Fantasy
Album
Vulcano
Album
Electronic Meditation
Album
1970
Alpha Centauri
Album
1971
Zeit
Album
1972
Atem
Album
1973
Phaedra
Album
1974
Ricochet
Album
1975
Rubycon
Album
1975
Atem/Alpha
Album
1976
Stratosfear
Album
1976
Electronic Orgy: The Rare-Songs Collection
1971-1995
Album
1977
Encore
Album
1977
Sorcerer
Album
1977
Cyclone
Album
1978
Force Majeure
Album
1978
70/90
Album
1980
Tangram
Album
1980
Exit
Album
1981
Thief
Album
1981
Die Melodie aus Dem Gleichnamigen
TATORT
Album
1982
Logos
Album
1982
White Eagle
Album
1982
Hyperborea
Album
1983
Firestarter
Album
1984
Flashpoint
Album
1984
Poland
Album
1984
Poland [Extracts]
Album
1984
Poland: The Warsaw Concert [#2]
Album
1984
Risky Business
Album
1984
Warsaw in the Sun
Album
1984
Dream Sequence
Album
1985
Le Parc
Album
1985
Streethawk
Album
1985
Desert Dream
Album
1986
Dream Music: The Movie Music of Tangerine
Dream
Album
1986
Green Desert
Album
1986
Heartbreakers
Album
1986
In the Beginning
Album
1986
Legend
Album
1986
Pergamon
Album
1986
Underwater Sunlight
Album
1986
Canyon Dreams
Album
1987
Collection
Album
1987
Deadly Care
Album
1987
Near Dark
Album
1987
Shy People
Album
1987
Three O'Clock High
Album
1987
Time for Heros
Single
1987
Tyger
Album
1987
Livemiles
Album
1988
Marakesh
Album
1988
Optical Race
Album
1988
Optical Race [single]
Single
1988
Alexander Square
Single
1989
Best of Tangerine Dream
Album
1989
Destination Berlin
Album
1989
Lily on the Beach
Album
1989
Miracle Mile
Album
1989
Oranges Don't Dance
Single
1990
Melrose
Album
1990
I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You
Single
1991
L'Affaire Wallraff (The Man Inside)
Album
1991
From Dawn Til Dusk
Album
1991
Private Music of Tangerine Dream
Album
1992
Quinoa (Ltd Fanclub Edition)
Album
1992
Rockoon (Special Editon CD Single)
Single
1992
Rockoon
Album
1992
Park Is Mine
Album
1992
Best of Tangerine Dream 1984-1988
Album
1992
220 Volt Live
Album
1993
Dreaming on Danforth Avenue
Album
1993
Dreamtime [Limited Edition]
Single
1993
Mystery Tracks
Album
1993
Phaedra/Rubycon/Ricochet
Album
1993
Mystery Tracks, Vol. 2
Album
1994
Tangents: 1973-83
Album
1994
Turn of the Tide
Album
1994
Story of Tangerine Dream
Album
1994
Catch Me If You Can
Album
1994
Turn of the Tides [Single #2]
Single
1994
Tyranny of Beauty
Album
1995
Turn of the Tides [Single #1]
Single
1995
Atmospherics
Single
1995
Dream Mixes
Album
1995
Dream Music 2
Album
1995
Shepherd's Bush
Single
1996
Zoning
Album
1996
Book of Dreams
Album
1996
Goblin's Club
Album
1996
Dream Roots Collection
Album
1996
Maedchen on the Stairs (Limited World Tour
Edition: 1997)
Single
1997
Grammy Nominated Albums
Album
1997
Towards the Evening Star (Orb Remix)
Single
1997
Tournado
Album
1997
Oasis
Album
1997
Ambient Monkeys
Album
1998
TimeSquare - Dream Mixes II
Album
1998
Analogue Space Years 1969-1973
Album
1998
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Subject: Re: one more message from me -- posters
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> oh, yeah, was the tyger poster sent out with tdifc membership the big
> honker that says 'tyger, the next studio album'?? and the tyger image is
> the one from the relativity cd
Yeah, that sounds familiar...but they used that same poster to adverise
the 1987 Reichstag show. I got a copy of that from Filmhaus Munchen, if
memory serves (along with an Optical Race sweatshirt, woo hoo!). That
poster has info on the back about the band, along with a picture of the
1987 lineup.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
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