From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 8:58 am Subject: Standing up for Goblins Club ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > ------------------------------ > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 18:37:11 -0100 (MEZ) > Subject: Goblins club > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Rainer Rutka > > On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > > > I'm just about opposite of that, I love Goblin's Club and find it > > much more interesting musically than Rockoon, Rockoon is probably the > > only TD CD I cannot listen to all the way through, the first few songs > > are great but once Spanish Love hits I just have to hit eject to save > > my sanity, but GC gets about more play time then Phaedra at my house > > of course with GC I'm biased since that's the first TD CD I ever > > heard and it's what got me hooked :) > > -Scott > I agree 100% with Scott ! GC is a killer. IMO the best TD record of > the 90ies. Very good while driving in your car on a long 'Autobahn'. > Most liked tracks are: Rising Haul in silence, Towards the evening > star, Elf June... and On cranes' passage. But the rest is very good, too. > I play GC just every day in my office and made a tape for the car. > Hear it LOUD ! No problem if Edgar and Co. make more records like GC > the next 10 years. > > Rainer > I'd agree about GC being the best TD album of the 1990s, although Oasis comes a close second. The whole album in its entirety was the first TD album since the Eighties that (to me, at least) had the flair and esprit that is created through the music, but not in itself an element of the music...musically, the early Seattle Years recordings were fine, they just lacked an atmosphere. Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 9:38 am Subject: Standing up for Bobbins Crap ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: J.Peschke@s... Yeah, at least it's way better than Feckoof. ;-) Kidding aside, it's normal to love the first TD release you ever heard, in my case Force Majeure back in 1979. Dunno if I'd have became a TD fan if starting with the 90's stuff, though. Kind Regards and don't be too serious: after all it's just music. Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14395 Re: Standing up for Bobbins Crap Colin Knowles-Spittle Mon 6/8/1998 3 KB 14399 Re: Standing up for Bobbins Crap Rainer Rutka Mon 6/8/1998 3 KB 14404 Re: Standing up for Bobbins Crap feldon@p... Mon 6/8/1998 3 KB 14410 Re: Standing up for Bobbins Crap Tom Gerardy Mon 6/8/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 10:06 am Subject: Re: Standing up for Bobbins Crap ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles-Spittle > Really-From: J.Peschke@s... > > Yeah, at least it's way better than Feckoof. ;-) > > Kidding aside, it's normal to love the first TD release you ever heard, > in my case Force Majeure back in 1979. > Probably why I like 'Lilly' so much then.. TTFN Colin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 10:46 am Subject: RE: D:LIVE - Ultima Thule I/II ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' > >Ultima Thule Part 1 > > > This is one song that I wish TD would play as an encore in one > of their concerts... A very energetic and building piece (and not > quite as unstructured as one would think...) Each instrument > plays a significant part in the song... > I was surprised to me when listenned this theme, therefore is distinct of all the material of those years. It's great. Incidentally, Ultima Thule Part II is like the first movement of Atem. Regards, José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 10:41 am Subject: RE: D:LIVE++ - Lady Greengrass/Love of mine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >I always found 'Lady Greengrass/Love of mine' misplaced on Rare Trax >1. Perhaps, but 'Lady Greengrass' and 'Love of Mine' are the begin of Tangerine Dream. Specially 'Lady Greengrass'... Listen it with care!!... That Edgar Froese's guitar... Its sound and its noises. It's the sound of Tangerine Dream of early 70s. On the other hand, I would like to thank to Lars, Lawry and others for their work. Regards, José Ramón NP - Ultime Thule Pt. II From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 3:47 am Subject: Re: Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Neal McAuley Just got my copy from Super Collector (thanks Dano!) and this thing is worth every penny I paid for it. I'm fairly sure Edgar is mad about it because he might be releasing some of this stuff next year in the massive blitz o'TD albums. It is a real professional looking set. As for Dream Dice, haven't decided whether I'll buy it or not. It all depends on price. As for the dupes I'll invariably get, I'm sure I'll just give my dupes to friends I've turned on to TD (who aren't fanatic collectors like me but rather just like the music). That way everyone is happy. :::back to lurk mode::: Neal ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 1:00 pm Subject: Re: Standing up for Bobbins Crap ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Kidding aside, it's normal to love the first TD release you ever heard, > in my case Force Majeure back in 1979. > Jens Right Jens! My first exerience in TD was Stratosfear back in the 70ies. My fav. TD-record is Force Majeure, too ! But I also like GC and the most of their records. Rainer np: Coefficient of Aural Expansion (great!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14404 Re: Standing up for Bobbins Crap feldon@p... Mon 6/8/1998 3 KB 14410 Re: Standing up for Bobbins Crap Tom Gerardy Mon 6/8/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 10:55 am Subject: D:LIVE - Week 1 - Monday, June 8th 1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ami.hassinen@e... (Hassinen Ami) Hello! I wasn´t aware of this mailing list in the time when tape trees 1 & 2 were organized. As a result, most of the music to be discussed in week #1 is unfamiliar to me. Anyway, some of the music I have heard and would like to give you my comments about them: June 7 / Week 1: All known dates 1967 & 1970-73: .71 Ultima Thule Part 1/Part 2 [1.3A] Official Release: 1971 (Ohr 7') I think that this single is truly great music. I was very surprised when I heard the Part 1 for the very first time. I found it very hard to believe that the same guys who made Zeit could rock this hard... Very nice showcase for Franke´s drumming. Edgar also plays raunchy guitar and mellotron. But who´s that mysterious organist? Is it Baumann or Schroyder? And when was this track really recorded? It clearly has the same chords as the 'Fly and the Comas Sola' of AC, so perhaps it is from the same sessions... Very nice Ennio Morricone-style feel to the track, could be ideal theme music to some psychedelic Italo-western ;-) Part 2 reminds me of the sound that is dominating the 'Atem'. Very ominous mellotron and postitively primitive sounding drums. Strange that they didn´t use mellotron again until on 'Atem'... 11.29.73 Berlin (RIAS FM) 45 min. (FM) [1.1B] = Another great recording. And a good sound too. Like a cross between Zeit, Atem and Froese´s Aqua. Strange (again ;-) that they didn´t use more sequencers in this concert (I can hear just one light sequence going on there, the low bassy pattern sounds more like real time playing). Especially when you think that 'Phaedra' was recorded next month. Nevertheless, fine floating athmospheres. If they had made an album between 'Atem' and 'Phaedra', it might well had been something like this... By the way, it sounds to me that the audience is getting a little impatient here and there when the things get very 'hypnotic' :)) Cheers, Ami From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 6:58 pm Subject: D: LIVE - Week 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) > .67 The Ones: Lady Greengrass/Love of Mine Personally, I think 'Lady Greengrass' is quite good. For sure it is an attempt to copy other bands/titles of the time, but stands up pretty well against...don't know, maybe 'Arnold Layne' or 'See Emily Play'. Most amazing: the guitar work makes a very close connection to 'Electronic Dreams' as on some parts of EM, it is virtually the same style of playing as on Lady Greengrass. 'Love Of Mine' is not quite as good, the sax and vocals work, but the chorus is a bit silly, really. Well, I love to listen to this to get me in the right 'early-TD' mood. Since I was only 2 years old in 1967 I can only imagine the time...a time when the world was full of little Volkwagen Beetles, the TV was only b/w (which it was in 67 in Germany) and people with incredibly long hair and equally long beards would live together in 'communes' and sit around a small vinly turntable each night discussing how to save the world while smoking enormous amounts of weed. And this 7' is the perfect soundtrack to my little personal idea of how the late sixities must have been ;-) Final word: The sound quality of this 7' is amazing. I cannot believe these two songs sound so much better than anything that is available from TD until Ricochet. Since these were remastered for the Star Club Collection CD...I wonder if Edgar is able to rescue something like Ultima Thule with their DQC system? > .71 Ultima Thule Part 1/Part 2 [1.3A] First reaction...they did THAT at the same time as Zeit???. This 7' really rocks. No synths involved yet, but organ and a good dosis of Mellotron. Can there ever be enough or too much Mellotron in a TD song? This is a prime example of Krautrock at its best. Lots of drums, guitars, a nice lead line. Leaves only one big question - why didn't they do more of this? Well, they did once and only once - the last 8 minutes of Alpha Centauri's 'Fly And Collision of Comas Sola' are like this. Sound quality: comes off a slightly scratched vinyl, but otherwise great. > .71 Berlin (broadcast) (UT outtake) 9 min. (FM) [1.1A] Contrary to the labeling 'Ultima Thule outtake', this track actually reminds me much more of above mentioned 'Fly and Collision'. Anyone agrees? In fact, could it be that this music shows how Fly and Collision evolved into Ultima Thule? At any rate, it may be one of the first cases were a live broadcast resembles a vinyl version of a song - as TD were known as being very free-form around that time, this is a notable 'first'. Sound quality: quite good considering the time it was taped. > 6.?.71 Ossiach (Welt-Musik Festival) This is a bit tedious and droning for my taste. 'Zeit' Part 5 - Live? > .72/.73? Unknown location - live 35 min. (SB) [1.1A] Tape Tree members: I have very serious doubts that this is TD. It is simply too minimalistic for being TD, very repetitive, little improvisation. The sounds used are totally uncharacterstic for TD. A lot of seems to be done with tape loops? No, I don't believe for one minute this is TD. And there seem to be two parts with a difference in sound quality...is this really even from one concert? > 4.25.72 OST: Geradeaus bis zum Morgen 13 min. (TV) [1.3B] One of their first soundtracks, represented here with 6 tracks taped directly from TV with a bit of dialog and sound effects still there. The music is very acoustic and thus a bit unusual-sounding, but unlike the above, it still sounds like TD at that time. The acoustic guitar dominates...a bit of organ is there. While the music itself is a bit slow, this item is a fascinating one, as it shows TD from its most acoustic side and very different to Zeit or Ultima Thule. Sound quality: quite ok, considering the time it was made. > 5.25.73 Ponts de Ce 84 min. (Au) [1.2] Finally, a full-blown concert survives. Not one of their highlights, this brings on a lot of sound effects before it gets going. It sounds like they have a sequencer on board, but it is underused here with only some smaller, less-interesting notes being played. If I remember, the mellotron is there, mainly doing flute sounds (not so much the typical fat strings as on UT). So while the multi-layered cascade of sequencers is still 2 years away, this is nevertheless interesting: It has very little in common with their 1973 'Atem' and in fact, shows for the first time clearly the difference between 'TD - the studio band' and 'TD - the live band'. Sound quality is so-so. > 11.29.73 Berlin (RIAS FM) 45 min. (FM) [1.1B] = How strange. Half a year has passed since 'Ponts De Ce' and this one sounds much more interesting and advanced than the former. Have they added more equipment? Have they begun to find their new style? Is 'Phaedra' already in their heads? This one is a very coherent 45 minutes, everything holds together quite well, and there are no long sound effect parts. And their sequencer is already being revved up quite a bit here. Whoever was able to see or hear this show as it was played...at this point it may have been the first time that TD was definitely no longer an experimental Krautrock band, but an up-and-coming electronic mega-act. I wonder if more than the 45 broadcast minutes exist from this one? Sound quality is refreshingly good. This one I will be playing more often. My personal favorite from Tree 1. Over all, TD changed styles more dramatically than ever again in those years. Even ignoring 'The Ones' for a moment, to go from Electronic Meditation to Zeit to Phaedra has always baffled me. Now, there is also Ultima Thule and Geradeaus Bis Zum Morgen, two more and different facettes of this ever-changing band. Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14508 D: LIVE - Week 1 Tom Gerardy Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 12:57 pm Subject: Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: RBrown4856@a... > > Hi guys! How many of you besides me are willing to admit to ordering a box > set. Come on now be honest! I know it's hard for some of you to admit it. I'd like to, and would admit to it, but the fact is I didn't because I can't get on the freakin web. Anyone has a suggestion as to how a web challenged fan can order it??? C.B. Vincent Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14405 Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET Kenneth Wayne Beal Mon 6/8/1998 4 KB 14406 Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET Kenneth Wayne Beal Mon 6/8/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 1:44 pm Subject: Self-destructing FLASHPOINT CD's... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' Since I didn't see this answered, I'll give you my $0.02 on the phenomena... The first issues of the Heavy Metal World Wide FLASHPOINT CD were printed with a very nasty ink that gradually ate its' way down to the data surface of the CD. If they had printed the label with black lettering against the silver surface as a background, the problem _probably_ wouldn't have been that severe, as the error correction circuitry might have been able to handle the damaged areas (but most likely not, the HMWW logo is pretty darn big...). Instead, HMWW, got all artsy-fartsy with us and slathered the entire surface with this highly caustic ink, leaving the 'lettering' uncovered, so that you have a black CD with 'prismatic' lettering. There was a second run that addressed the ink issue, so only early purchasers of the CD should have encountered this problem. I seem to think that the second batch was black letters on a 'silver' background, but I don't know for sure... These first-batch CD's were OK at first, as it took a while for the ink to do its' dirty work. My copy took about three years to die. When I was first alerted to the problem, I took mine out and played it; it sounded like medium FM static was mixed in with the recording. All tracks played, except for the Gems track (no big deal), but noisily. My high-end first generation Yamaha couldn't read the CD at all, but my second generation Magnavox CDB-650 could (still have this player and will NEVER give it up). I was given another copy by a buddy of mine that ran a CD store, who was using it for a display CD, as it was un-readable by his gear, as it was by mine (it is hanging over my computer as I type). I contacted HMWW to see about getting a good replacement CD, but was way too late, as they were out of 'em by that time. I did get a sampler CD and a Magnum CD from them... :-/. Good thing that I had taped a copy of the CD when it was new. The FLASHPOINT material, minus the Gems track, was available on that collection of rare material titled MYSTERY TRACKS (Vol. I) and was re-issued about two years ago on a US label. I think that the re-issue is already out of print, as I haven't seen it in the bins in a long time. NP: Node / Terminus ========================================= Craig A. Shipley craigs@s... Siemens-Nixdorf ITSN 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (770) 242-9374 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ========================================= From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 3:07 pm Subject: Re: Standing up for Bobbins Crap ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 01:00 PM 6/8/98 -0100, you wrote: >Really-From: Rainer Rutka > >On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > >> Kidding aside, it's normal to love the first TD release you ever heard, >> in my case Force Majeure back in 1979. >> Jens >Right Jens! >My first exerience in TD was Stratosfear back in the 70ies. My fav. >TD-record is Force Majeure, too ! But I also like GC and the most of their >records. > Rainer My first TD album was Turn of the Tides and then Rockoon, and then Electronic Orgy, and the Logos. So it took me a long time to see the creativity and excellent composing of the 1974-1986 stuff and see through the facade that the 1986-present stuff tries to create of greatness. Oasis and Dream Mixes are the only albums past 1988 that I love to death... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 3:24 pm Subject: Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Kenneth Wayne Beal Archie at Eurock has them.....www.eurock.com On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Vincent Goudreault > > > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > > Really-From: RBrown4856@a... > > > > Hi guys! How many of you besides me are willing to admit to ordering a box > > set. Come on now be honest! I know it's hard for some of you to admit it. > > > I'd like to, and would admit to it, but the fact is I didn't because > I can't get on the freakin web. Anyone has a suggestion as to > how a web challenged fan can order it??? > > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 > online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 > first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 3:28 pm Subject: Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Kenneth Wayne Beal forget that last one...I'm brain dead this morning From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 10:29 pm Subject: Re: Goblins club ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: nospamboretz@p... (Alex Boretz) > Just to reiterate for any newcomers out there... Hey, that's me! :-) I've been lurking for a while, but would like to take this oppotunity to relay my warmest regards to all my fellow T.D. fans on this list. > ...who might get the wrong impression. Most Tangerine Dream fans > consider Goblin's Club total shit. Then I guess no one would be intererested in the LP I found the other day which contained the ORB's remix of 'Towards The Evening Star' on side one and the original TD recording on side two? If this release is something anyone out there 'MUST HAVE' then you can e-mail me off-list (remove 'nospam' to make contact) and I'll try and pick it up for you. We could do either a cash or trade exchange. (it's something like $9 US at Rasputin's in Berkely) And, while on the subject of 'Goblin's Club' there was this curious exchange during the IRC 'Rave' with Tangerine Dream on April 22, 1998 (http://www.scifi.com/transcripts/TADream.html) that has me puzzled. - - - - Tadream: here we are..... Edgar & Jerome.....first thing here is a trivia to all!!!!! Tadream: Question: Which are the two key words hidden within 'Goblins Club' lettering? Sean-Montgomery: You mean...it's an anagram? Tadream: to sean: YES - - - - words' might be. Has anyone run the words 'Goblin's Club' through an anagram program? ( perhaps there are one or two on this mail-list who are over thirty and still remember how to use pencil and paper? ;-) Any results worth mentioning? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14409 Re: Goblins club Sean Montgomery Mon 6/8/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 3:41 pm Subject: Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Kenneth Wayne Beal > > Archie at Eurock has them.....www.eurock.com > > > > > I'd like to, and would admit to it, but the fact is I didn't because > > I can't get on the freakin web. Anyone has a suggestion as to > > how a web challenged fan can order it??? Ahem... The key word here is that I cannot access the web. A www url is pretty useless, when all I can use is e-mail... > > > > C.B. Vincent Goudreault > > autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 > > online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 > > first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14428 Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 6/9/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 3:55 pm Subject: Re: Goblins club ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Tadream: Question: Which are the two key words hidden within > 'Goblins Club' lettering? > Sean-Montgomery: You mean...it's an anagram? > Tadream: to sean: YES > Has anyone run the words 'Goblin's Club' through an anagram > program? Yes, I have. The only three anagrams which made any real sense were: bulb closing Sculling Bob Cull sobbing I sent them to the TD Office. No response! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 4:00 pm Subject: Re: Standing up for Bobbins Crap ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Gerardy > Kidding aside, it's normal to love the first TD release you ever heard, > in my case Force Majeure back in 1979. > Jens Maybe I'm the exception? First discovered Zeit way back when, but my favorite is Underwater Sunlight. On the other hand thats the first one I got on CD so maybe its the first I actually heard? :-) --tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 4:01 pm Subject: Notes About 'Exit' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > I wish that we could compile all the crazy meanings behind the track > titles and put it up for review. Remote Viewing, as I understand it, is a psychic ability that some people claim to have. It allows them to 'see' objects that another person is holding up in the next room...or miles away. How very X-Files! > Well, a 'choronzon' is an obscure synonym for 'demon' Choronzon is actually the name of a specific demon; the Lord of Chaos. How very Alastair Crowley! Network 23, of course, was borrowed by the TV show 'Max Headroom'. One thing I've always wanted to say about this album. I *love* the track Kiew Mission, but dammit, that 'clang' sound that goes off three times after the the diving aircraft noises near the beginning always makes me think of Michael Jackson's 'Beat It'. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 4:10 pm Subject: Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: J.Peschke@s... Vince, mailto:apatters@t... to contact Archie at Eurock, he offers DD for USD300. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 4:14 pm Subject: TEST - IGNORE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Resident ONLY A TEST Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14431 Re: TEST - IGNORE Robert Hanna Tue 6/9/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 5:32 pm Subject: Re: Notes About 'Exit' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > (...) > > Network 23, of course, was borrowed by the TV show 'Max Headroom'. Wasn't 'Exit' released years before Max Headroom was created? C.B. Vincent Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 5:59 pm Subject: Re: Any Nifty Live Versions of Remote Viewing 1980-1983? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > >> Really-From: Vic Rek >> >> I really enjoy this release. > >Ditto. One of my fave TD albums. Nothing else they've ever released sounds >like EXIT. > >> I wish that we could compile all the crazy >> meanings behind the track titles and put it up for review. So who has >these >> notes? I saw very interesting definitions/interpretations posted some 8-9 >> months ago... > >Well, a 'choronzon' is an obscure synonym for 'demon,' so that's the >*coolest* track title, hands down :-) > >'Exit' strikes me, with its somber, gloomy feel, as an allusion to suicide. >I think of a term/phrase like 'Remote Viewing' as detaching oneself from >the moment and observing from the outside, perhaps after some traumatic or >enlightening event. > >E-Man I think it's the first true 'New Age' album.. considering themes that are modern day, maybe not so understood or accepted. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 6:29 pm Subject: oranges don't dance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers for those of you seeking the euro promo cd single 'oranges don't dance' (remember, the track list was posted last week or so?), well, they have one at esprit (a UK place I've dealt with happily before). the bite is, they want 100 UK pounds!! -- about $175US!! anyone? anyone? anyone with spare change from the DD set? ciao lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14420 Re: oranges don't dance feldon@p... Mon 6/8/1998 3 KB 14422 Re: oranges don't dance Dan J. Schulte Mon 6/8/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 6:56 pm Subject: SNAFU ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Jenkins Anyone noticed the web address for the TDI music mall ? The main menu page is www.snafu.de/~tadream/mainmenu.html If that's not evidence of humour then I'm Edgar's secret love child. np: Ambient Monkeys Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14434 Re: SNAFU Colin Knowles-Spittle Tue 6/9/1998 3 KB 14440 Re: SNAFU Jens Peschke Tue 6/9/1998 3 KB 14442 Re: SNAFU Brian E. Kirby Tue 6/9/1998 2 KB 14441 Re: SNAFU Vincent Goudreault Tue 6/9/1998 3 KB 14443 Re: SNAFU Colin Knowles-Spittle Tue 6/9/1998 2 KB 14446 SNAFU Hilmar Kraft Tue 6/9/1998 3 KB 14447 Re: SNAFU Jens Peschke Tue 6/9/1998 3 KB 14461 Re: SNAFU Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 6/10/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 6:58 pm Subject: 'Sad Merlin's Sunday' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' I think this track kicks butt, even though it's been hacked down quite a bit. I actually listen to it more than once at a time... and it does 'go somewhere' It has a buildup and a climax that many 90ies TD songs lack. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 4:51 pm Subject: RE: White Eagle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: joelm@b... ----Original Message----- >Subject: White Eagle >Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 1:06 PM > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: Aured Azhallein Rancuel > > >Maybe this has already been answered (I vaguely remember a similar >question a while back...), anyhow I just recently bought a Definitive >Edition White Eagle and the cover on the CD is blue rather than White >like the other Definitive Edition CD's that I have, is this of >any significance? > >Thanks, > Scott > I don't have all the Definitive CD's yet, but I do have most. Some are from Virgin-U.K. and some are from Virgin America. In my collection all the Virgin U.K. have white CDs and all the Virgin America's have bright colors- Encore-pink;White Eagle-Blue;Logos-light purple;Hyperborea-Orange. I also have Thief which is printed in Holland and has no color at all (not even white) Joel Mullen From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 7:36 pm Subject: Re: oranges don't dance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 02:29 PM 6/8/98 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >dreamers >for those of you seeking the euro promo cd single 'oranges don't dance' >(remember, the track list was posted last week or so?), well, they have one >at esprit (a UK place I've dealt with happily before). > >the bite is, they want 100 UK pounds!! -- about $175US!! The extreme price bite of certain bootleg CDs needs to come down. This is currently being worked out... more details later... -Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 3:48 am Subject: RE:GC and sexuality ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dan.cor@v... Re: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 7:56 pm Subject: Re: oranges don't dance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > dreamers > for those of you seeking the euro promo cd single 'oranges don't dance' > (remember, the track list was posted last week or so?), well, they have one > at esprit (a UK place I've dealt with happily before). > > the bite is, they want 100 UK pounds!! -- about $175US!! > > anyone? anyone? anyone with spare change from the DD set? > > ciao > lars I also have land in Germany I want to sell...about $100,000 for a thousand acres. Just send me the money & I will send you the deed.....no really. ;-) Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 9:04 pm Subject: Dream Dice 'Components' Available! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Alistair Hull Where the TDI Web Site used to say 'Not available separately' for the component bits of Dream Dice, they now say 'Single Items available to Traders' Any traders out there want to make themselves money by buying and trading the likes of Dream Encores, Transsiberia, Hollywood I/II etc. I know I can't stretch my budget that far, and they don't suggest how many copies you have to buy to qualify as a trader.... Lars......??? Alistair Hull Metro Region Lawson Software (973)256-4500 x 2382 Alistair.hull@l... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14424 Re: Dream Dice 'Components' Available! Sean Montgomery Mon 6/8/1998 3 KB 14432 Re: Dream Dice 'Components' Available! Kees Tue 6/9/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 9:29 pm Subject: Re: Dream Dice 'Components' Available! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Where the TDI Web Site used to say 'Not available separately' for the > component bits of Dream Dice, they now say 'Single Items available to > Traders' I suspect that what they mean is 'dealers' or 'retailers'. I can't see why they'd actually be getting into the trading business, unless it's a sting operation to nail the producers of 'Electronic Orgy'. :-) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: KEEP's writer says album is 'quite a collector's item.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, In the last couple of days, I e-mailed the guy who wrote the novel, THE KEEP--and made sure not to let on that I was a Tangerine Dream fan so that he'd think I was writing to him mostly as a fan of his work. I got a quick reply from him. The most interesting things that he said-- as far as this list is concerned are--1) that the long movie ending wherein Eva goes down into the keep and revive Glaeken was originally aired on network TV as an *ABC Movie of the Week*, and 2) that the KEEP soundtrack is 'quite a collector's item for Tangerine Dream fans' and is scheduled to be issued on the band's 'own label.' Interesting that he said the KEEP soundtrack is 'quite a collector's item' as opposed to 'no such thing ever existed,' isn't it? ;) Here's the letter I sent him and the reply I received: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Date: Sun, 07 Jun 98 19:53:07 EDT From: KEEP Mailing List Subject: KEEP List>Letter to F. Paul Wilson To: KEEP Mailing List subscribers Folks, For those who don't know, THE KEEP was the first book in a six-book series by author F. Paul Wilson that is referred to collectively as the Adversary Cycle. Glaeken (the character played by Scott Glenn in the film) and Molasar (the monster in the film, whose real name is Rasalom: Molasar spelled backwards) are in the first book and the final three. In the first one, the talisman is not the tip of an energy rod, but the hilt to a supernaturally powerful sword. The books, and the order in which they should be read, are: THE KEEP, THE TOMB, THE TOUCH, REBORN, REPRISAL, NIGHTWORLD. THE TOMB and THE TOUCH are not directly related to Glaeken and Rasalom until the final book, NIGHTWORLD, which incorporates characters from the entire Adversary Cycle. I have read THE KEEP and THE TOMB, so far, and when I flipped through NIGHTWORLD in a bookstore, it seemed as if half of it concerned the protagonist from THE TOMB. Anyways, F. Paul Wilson is a practicing medical doctor, not a full- time writer, and he has written medicine-related novels, some of them-- like THE TOUCH--have been horror-related. Here's the letter I sent to him: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Date: Sun, 07 Jun 98 19:20:07 EDT From: Steven Feldman Subject: THE KEEP LP To: F. Paul Wilson Mr. Wilson, I'm currently reading THE TOUCH, having recently read both THE KEEP and THE TOMB, but way before that, I was a monster and horror movie fan, and so, I'd seen the filmed version of THE KEEP. I have become aware that there are different versions of the ending of this film that are shown on network TV but not on premium cable stations (nor on videotape nor laserdisk). Do you know anything about this? Also, do you have a copy of the KEEP soundtrack LP (or know anyone who does)? This record is quite hard to find, and I would appreciate it very much if you could supply me with a reproduction of its front and back covers. I will reimburse you for publication-quality photographs, but photocopies--color, preferably--would do. I am going to interview Michael Mann in a few months and if I get enough information on different versions of this film, it will be printed in VIDEO WATCHDOG magazine (if not elsewhere). Among the questions I intend to ask Mr. Mann are what your reaction and/or input was to the changes to your story that were made in the film. It seems to me that material was edited out in post-production and after test screenings, and I'd like to ascertain the motives and causes for this. If you would like to go on the record vis-a-vis this film, your input would be most welcome. -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + From: F. Paul Wilson Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:24:57 EDT To: AR402004@B... Subject: Re: THE KEEP LP In a message dated 98-06-07 19:51:29 EDT, you write: >the filmed version of THE KEEP. > I have become aware that there are different versions of the ending >of this film that are shown on network TV but not on premium cable >stations (nor on videotape nor laserdisk). Do you know anything about >this?' Yes. For the hell of it, I taped the ABC movie of the week version on its one and only showing, just to see what they'd cut (and see how they could make an already incomprehensible film even less comprehensible). To my shock, the film didn't freeze frame on Magda [renamed 'Eva' in the film --Steve] looking back into the keep, but had her turn around, climb into the depths, and bring Glaeken out. > Also, do you have a copy of the KEEP soundtrack LP (or know anyone >who does)? This record is quite hard to find, and I would appreciate it >very much if you could supply me with a reproduction of its front and >back covers. I will reimburse you for publication-quality photographs, >but photocopies--color, preferably--would do. I never saw this. It's quite a collector's item for Tangerine Dream fans. I'm told the band has acquired the rights and soon will be putting out a remastered version on its own label. > I am going to interview Michael Mann in a few months and if I get >enough information on different versions of this film, it will be >printed in VIDEO WATCHDOG magazine (if not elsewhere). Among the >questions I intend to ask Mr. Mann are what your reaction and/or input >was to the changes to your story that were made in the film. It seems >to me that material was edited out in post-production and after test >screenings, and I'd like to ascertain the motives and causes for this. >If you would like to go on the record vis-a-vis this film, your input >would be most welcome. I know second hand the name of someone in England who was on the production team, who has stories of the chaos and excesses on the Shepperton set. Don't know if he wants to go on record, though. As for me . . . Michael Mann, who seems to have a great visual sense, had no sense at all of this type of story and how to tell it. He either didn't have much sense of how the story is constructed, or simply didn't care. He just wanted to do what he wanted to do. I purposely set the story in the Transylvanian Alps to set up the reader--and the characters--for a vampire. Then I took all those typical trappings and turned them on their heads. Even though a vampire is just a red herring in the book, Mann wanted no mention of it at all in the film. So if you do that, you take away the very reason the book is set in the Transylvania Alps. Might as well set it in the Swiss Alps. Look, I know a novel needs to be changed when it goes to the screen--it's a completely different medium. No inner monologues--what you get is what you see. Subplots have to go, characters must be combined. But when you've got a novel that is an international bestseller, you should be smart enough to realize that it must have something going for it. You don't rip out its heart and display a hollow carcass. And the heart of any story is its characters. The major fault of Mann's film is that he did not build characters. The first half hour or so is slow but has wonderful possibilities. Then he starts leaving the novel and going off on his own. That's when things fall apart. You realize that all the frames wasted on those self-indulgent super close-ups of eyeballs and flaring matches could have been used to develop the characters a little more. Glaeken and Magda meet--cut to the two of them in bed. And he has everybody speaking with these pregnant pauses: 'Nobody sleeps . . . (beat) . . . here.' All that slo-mo and smoke (Joe Lansdale says it looks like a string of shampoo commercials.) And making poor Scott Glenn talk like a robot. That, I think, was the key error: making Glaeken an automaton. He should have had a third dimension, he should have shown fear, he should have been pissed that these stupid Germans came by and unleashed this evil that he'd gone to such trouble to lock up, and he should have been unsure that he could put the genie back in the bottle. And you should sense that he wants to do this for himself and for Magda because it's been so long since he cared about anybody. Then the audience might have cared whether he lived or died. But as it is, he's a robot following its program. The result was a critical and financial disaster: half-star and one-star ratings, with headers like, 'You can keep _The Keep_.' But apparently Mann learned a valuable lesson that he put to use in his subsequent adaptations of novels like RED DRAGON (Manhunter) and THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS--don't screw with the storyline, don't think you can sit down in a few weeks and 'improve' what an author spent years piecing together. The results were two highly effective films that remained true to their sources. Too bad he didn't learn it one film sooner. I remember the last line of Jeffrey Lyons' review on TV: 'It could have been wonderful.' And that's the real heartbreak of the film: all the ingredients were there for a classic--great cast, great set designer, a special effects wizard. Truly, it could have, _should_ have been wonderful. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14452 Re: KEEP's writer says album is 'quite a collecto Plumer, Scott Tue 6/9/1998 3 KB 14460 Re: KEEP's writer says album is 'quite a collecto Mark Kosten Wed 6/10/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 8, 1998 10:37 pm Subject: Kraftwerk-Computerworld CD & JMJ -EQUINOXE LP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: joelm@b... I have noticed that there are a number of Kraftwerk and Jean Michel Jarre fans on this list. I have 2 items I will sell for the best offer. Kraftwerk-Computer World CD - Warner Bros 3549-2 Made in West Germany by Polygram dated 1981 - Opened & played no scratches Jean Michel Jarre-Equinoxe 12' LP - Polydor PD-1-6175 Made in New York dated 1978 - Opened & played good/average condition Please e-mail me off list if interested. Thank you! Joel Mullen From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 12:04 am Subject: Re: Dream Dice ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > Well it's good to see *somebody* read it! Thanks Sean. > > > > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > > > > Gabe > > I just got back from Pheonix... I went to 6 different record shops > all around town.. I did not see anything new.. nothing.. > No 'DM II' no 'Ambient Monkeys' no 'Tournado' > So it takes a very long time for music to reach store shelves.. > and I think the better way is to just order them on-line. But > until I get a credit card myself, that becomes a tough task. > I guess I was thinking 1999 because I'm not expecting > to find these albums anytime soon. > > Greg H. As I tried to point out before, these albums were NOT officially released. The copies that did appear were most likely 'overstock' from the pre-release versions not sold during the Euro tour. Though, I don't expect these official releases to differ in any significant way. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 12:13 am Subject: Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 11:41 AM 6/8/1998 -0400, Vincent Goudreault wrote: > >Ahem... The key word here is that I cannot access the web. A www url >is pretty useless, when all I can use is e-mail... > Vincent, That's not a problem with Archie. Just e-mail him at: apatters@t... You can also ask for his hard-copy newsletter, which he sends out regularly by snail-mail. He asks for payment up-front or a credit card number. I have dealt with him for years and have never been disappointed. Although, he does not return the money if he runs out of stock. Rather, he issues a credit slip, which you can use for a later purchase. It annoys some people, but I feel OK with it. Luck. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 12:29 am Subject: Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > At 11:41 AM 6/8/1998 -0400, Vincent Goudreault wrote: > > > > >Ahem... The key word here is that I cannot access the web. A www url > >is pretty useless, when all I can use is e-mail... > > > > Vincent, > > That's not a problem with Archie. Just e-mail him at: > > apatters@t... > (...) Thanks for the info, Andrew. VG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 2:18 am Subject: Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JMPoer At 11:21 PM 6/7/1998 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: RBrown4856@a... > > >Hi guys! How many of you besides me are willing to admit to ordering a box >set. Come on now be honest! I know it's hard for some of you to admit it. > If I had the $300, I'd buy it in a flash....but alas........ John jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 3:36 am Subject: Re: TEST - IGNORE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Hanna > Really-From: Tom Resident > > ONLY A TEST Darn, if I'd know there was going to be a test, I would have studied.... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 8:06 am Subject: Re: Dream Dice 'Components' Available! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Kees At 16:04 8-06-98 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: Alistair Hull >Where the TDI Web Site used to say 'Not available separately' for the >component bits of Dream Dice, they now say 'Single Items available to >Traders' > >Any traders out there want to make themselves money by buying and trading >the likes of Dream Encores, Transsiberia, Hollywood I/II etc. > >I know I can't stretch my budget that far, and they don't suggest how >many copies you have to buy to qualify as a trader.... > >Lars......??? > > >Alistair Hull >Metro Region >Lawson Software >(973)256-4500 x 2382 >Alistair.hull@l... Alistair, It's not so complicated as you think. All the individual CD's will become available through the normal channels. In other words you can buy them on the Internet and eventually you can buy them in the shops. But you CAN'T buy single CD's directly from TDI, just the box. Kees GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) Kees Aerts PO Box 2171 8203 AD Lelystad the Netherlands Tel: +31 (0) 320 250028 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 ----------------------- Email: groove@m... ; Web pages: http://mcs.nl/groove/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 8:55 am Subject: The KEEP author speaks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft Steve, just wanted to thank you for that fascinating post. Leaving the 'LP exists/doesn't exist' issue aside, I always wondered what an author must feel when they adapt his novel into a movie version. I think that F. Paul Wilson made some very good points and explained his point of view very well. Knowing that he was 'on the record' and that his comments will ultimately wind up in public, I was amazed at the openness of his criticism. I wonder what he has to say when you ask him the same question off the record over a beer...but maybe it wouldn't even differ that much. Anyway, thanks for investigating and reporting... Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 9:16 am Subject: Re: SNAFU ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles-Spittle > Really-From: Steve Jenkins > > Anyone noticed the web address for the TDI music mall ? The main menu > page is www.snafu.de/~tadream/mainmenu.html > > If that's not evidence of humour then I'm Edgar's secret love child. > > np: Ambient Monkeys LOL! Hadn't noticed..but now you mention it...:-) Colin n.p. Goblin's Club/DM From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 1:14 pm Subject: RE: not about dream dice, not about politics ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' ><< And yes, lately I listen to Oasis - their best album in a decade. >beg to differ...ambient monkeys....flame away.... I agree. AM is fabboo. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 1:24 pm Subject: RE: LIVE - Week 1 - Sunday, June 7th 1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Lawry, could I make a request? Post what's on the Friday before the discussion actually starts? That way, we'll have the weekend to listen to the stuff in question. That's what I did with the original D: list way back when. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 2:21 pm Subject: More than 300 dream dice available!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft To clear up some more confusion: Nowhere on the TDI page does it actually say that there will be only 300 Dream Dice boxes available. This is another interpretation made by some here on the list. If you go back and read carefully, you'll see only two bits of information: 1) Dream Dice is ONLY available from the web page and only until August 1st. Fine. 2) The *first 300 copies* are signed. So this means: there are actually more than 300 boxes available. Whatever numbers they can sell through August 1st, they will ship. Which means that this box will be a lot less rare than expected and the price of DM500 / $300 is even less justified! Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 2:21 pm Subject: Dice becomes bigger - bonus disc added! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft Hey...did you all see this? If you look at the TDI site now, they mention a 3-track bonus CD included in the dice...this wasn't there on the original version of the page. Now what could that be. a) leftover sheperd's bush CDs (bleeghr) - or - b) a true new bonus CD which will now only exist in very small quantities and will be an ex$$pensive collectors item, rarer than Quinoa etc. ??? ??? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14439 Re: Dice becomes bigger - bonus disc added! Hilmar Kraft Tue 6/9/1998 3 KB 14445 Re: Dice becomes bigger - bonus disc added! Hilmar Kraft Tue 6/9/1998 4 KB 14455 Re: Dice becomes bigger - bonus disc added! Gabe Yedid Tue 6/9/1998 4 KB 14449 Re: Dice becomes bigger - bonus disc added! Hilmar Kraft Tue 6/9/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 2:54 pm Subject: Re: Dice becomes bigger - bonus disc added! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >Hey...did you all see this? I did. >If you look at the TDI site now, they mention a 3-track bonus CD included >in the dice...this wasn't there on the original version of the page. Now >what could that be. >a) leftover sheperd's bush CDs (bleeghr) Aha, on your Sheperd's Bush CD5 are three tracks then ? Damn! I've got only 2 on my copy. ;-) >b) a true new bonus CD which will now only exist in very small quantities >and will be an ex$$pensive collectors item, rarer than Quinoa etc. If it is a true new bonus CD, the question is, will it be available elseware ? For how long will it be rare ? Does it include Rubycon part 3 and 4 ? Is the Pope catholic ? >??? c) The world tour 1997 CD5, it has 3 tracks on it (bleeghr <- where did you learn that, Hilmar ?) Hilmar, did you already order a copy ? You're living in Berlin, you'd be the first list member who can solve this puzzle then (wink!) ;-) Kind Regards Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 2:59 pm Subject: Re: SNAFU ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Really-From: Steve Jenkins > > Anyone noticed the web address for the TDI music mall ? The main menu > page is www.snafu.de/~tadream/mainmenu.html > > If that's not evidence of humour then I'm Edgar's secret love child. What's the deal with SNAFU ? Dunno its meaning. Ta in advance Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14442 Re: SNAFU Brian E. Kirby Tue 6/9/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 3:24 pm Subject: Re: SNAFU ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > > What's the deal with SNAFU ? Dunno its meaning. SNAFU is an acronym for 'situation normal: all fouled up' that WW2 soldiers came up with to describe the situation whenever something ran afoul in the early 40's. Of course, the 'F' can also stand for a somewhat 'coarser' word... C.B. Vincent Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 11:30 am Subject: Re: SNAFU ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby' > What's the deal with SNAFU ? Dunno its meaning. From my understanding, it's old army parlance. Situation Normal: All Fucked Up -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 3:34 pm Subject: Re: SNAFU ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles-Spittle > What's the deal with SNAFU ? Dunno its meaning. > > Ta in advance > > Jens Army term: Situation Normal, All Fucked Up! Colin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 3:43 pm Subject: .96 Memphis PD war on the street ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I'll bet nobody on the ML has this TV film: .96 Memphis PD: War on the Street prove me wrong, I dare you ;-) lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14448 Re: .96 Memphis PD war on the street Hilmar.Kraft@p... Tue 6/9/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 10:50 pm Subject: Re: Dice becomes bigger - bonus disc added! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) eally-From: 'Jens Peschke' >>a) leftover sheperd's bush CDs (bleeghr) > >Aha, on your Sheperd's Bush CD5 are three tracks then ? >Damn! I've got only 2 on my copy. ;-) Oh, so it's not these three, then: 'Eleanor Rigby', 'Thief Yang' and 'The Tangram Seal'? Just kidding..of course I originally meant to write 'the Maedchen 97 tour single'. > (bleeghr <- where did you learn that, Hilmar ?) From my daughter, 6 months old and full of funny 'words' like this. I have already suggested to Jerome to have her do vocals on 'Lion's Share' ;-) >Hilmar, did you already order a copy ? You're living in Berlin, >you'd be the first list member who can solve this puzzle then (wink!) ;-) true, I could even walk over there and pick up a copy. Only problem...on the way from my place to theirs are 2 beergardens and a few nice pubs and outdoor cafes, and somehow an icecold beer is more of an attraction than owning TDI001-TDI012. Especially when you can invite the whole pub for 3 nights in a row and still have more cash left in your pocket then Mr. Ed wants to have for his dice. But seriously, I already mailed the TDI Music office for more info. Maybe they'll reply... Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14455 Re: Dice becomes bigger - bonus disc added! Gabe Yedid Tue 6/9/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 11:03 pm Subject: SNAFU ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) SNAFU...as far as the webpage goes, this is not a crazy Edgar joke. 'snafu.de' is the domain name of one of Germany's largest Internet Providers called 'Interactive Networx', who were recently taken over by the US corporation 'Worldcom', who has big plans to expand service to local dialin in every major German city. I wonder if Worldcom will have enough sense of humor to keep 'snafu' as the domain name? And the dictionary has this to say: ================== SNAFU principle /sna'foo prin'si-pl / [from WWII Army acronym for 'Situation Normal, All Fucked Up'] n. 'True communication is possible only between equals, because inferiors are more consistently rewarded for telling their superiors pleasant lies than for telling the truth.' --- a central tenet of Discordianism, often invoked by hackers to explain why authoritarian hierarchies screw up so reliably and systematically. The effect of the SNAFU principle is a progressive disconnection of decision-makers from reality. ================== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 4:02 pm Subject: Re: SNAFU ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Thanks to Vince, Colin and Kirby for the quick replies. :-) Question is, if my countrymen knew *that* meaning, when setting up the domain (snafu.de) ? ;-) Is it common greed speech ? Kind Regards Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14461 Re: SNAFU Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 6/10/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 5:23 pm Subject: Re: .96 Memphis PD war on the street ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar.Kraft@p... This is an automatic reply. Thank you for your mail. Due to a public holiday, I am out of the office on May21 and May22nd. While I will be able to check my email, there may be some delays in answering. Thanks for your understanding. Best regards, Hilmar Kraft From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 4:59 pm Subject: Re: Dice becomes bigger - bonus disc added! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) >> (bleeghr <- where did you learn that, Hilmar ?) >From my daughter, 6 months old and full of funny 'words' like this. I >have already suggested to Jerome to have her do vocals on 'Lion's >Share' ;-) Did he reply yet ? ;-) You'd record some of these words, btw. >>Hilmar, did you already order a copy ? You're living in Berlin, >>you'd be the first list member who can solve this puzzle then (wink!) ;-) >true, I could even walk over there and pick up a copy. Only >problem...on the way from my place to theirs are 2 beergardens and a >few nice pubs and outdoor cafes, and somehow an icecold beer is more >of an attraction than owning TDI001-TDI012. Too true. Especially when eating one of these famous curry sausages >Especially when you can invite the whole pub for 3 nights in a row and still > have more cash left in your pocket then Mr. Ed wants to have for his dice. Ohh, don't carry to much cash with you. ;-) Kind Regards Jens PS: Hilmar, really funny, that automatically replied message from your office, a bit late, though. ;-) SNI Paderborn ? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 2:53 am Subject: Dream Dice ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hans-Peter Mueller Hello, I frankly admit that I'm one of those who'd like to order DD (although gritting my teeth). 'Would' like, because I have a severe problem (besides the money): Netscape 4.03 doesn't show the web page correctly, ie all those little clickable boxes (Yes/No etc.) are invisible. With Internet Explorer this problem does not occur, but then I'm not able to send the order form (only the header is sent). TDI very quickly rejected my first attempt to order DD (Netscape problems - see above). But they haven't yet reacted to my posting that describes my difficulties. So, my question is: Has anybody actually ordered DD? Or - better still: Who can help? Hans-Peter From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 6:02 pm Subject: Updated TDI page ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Frank Stephen The TDI Music Page has been updated as of 6/9. On-line stores at which the new CDs will be available have been posted, however, I tried a couple and they don't list any of the new CDs yet. Still cannot find a price for the individual discs yet. Frank fstephe@a... np: Catwalk from Persistence of Vision Crap under glass at the Smithsonian...is still crap. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14454 Re: Updated TDI page Sean Montgomery Tue 6/9/1998 3 KB 14684 Re: TD in stock, was 'Updated TDI page' Kees Tue 6/16/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 6:34 pm Subject: RE: KEEP's writer says album is 'quite a collector's item.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Michael Mann, who seems to have a great visual sense, had no sense at all >of this type of story and how to tell it. He either didn't have much >sense of how the story is constructed, or simply didn't care. He just I have to disagree with F. here. I think Mann is a great director who hires the WORST EDITORS IN THE WORLD!!! All of his films, even the critically-acclaimed ones, have suffered in the editiing room, IMHO. On the commentary on the Thief laserdisc, he briefly mentions how his editors screw up his films. THAT'S the problem with the Keep. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 7:00 pm Subject: RE: Dream Dice ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Bennett Cookson How to order Dream Dice... Yes also wanting to order, and yes also gritting my teeth (over price) and also not able to get order form to work... I finally just sent them an e-mail with all the necessary info (including the 'I accepts', etc) and they sent a reply accepting my order --Bennett From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 7:10 pm Subject: Re: Updated TDI page ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > The TDI Music Page has been updated as of 6/9. On-line stores at which > the new CDs will be available have been posted, however, I tried a couple > and they don't list any of the new CDs yet. Groove Unlimited does, and even includes forthcoming releases like 'Twilight Folder' and 'Sohoman'. They're $19.99 U.S. each. But it doesn't say that the individual CDs are actually *in stock* yet. http://www.mcs.nl/groove/catcd_us.html SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14684 Re: TD in stock, was 'Updated TDI page' Kees Tue 6/16/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 7:49 pm Subject: Re: Dice becomes bigger - bonus disc added! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) > > > eally-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > >>a) leftover sheperd's bush CDs (bleeghr) > > > >Aha, on your Sheperd's Bush CD5 are three tracks then ? > >Damn! I've got only 2 on my copy. ;-) > > Oh, so it's not these three, then: 'Eleanor Rigby', 'Thief Yang' and > 'The Tangram Seal'? Just kidding..of course I originally meant to > write 'the Maedchen 97 tour single'. Hmm...all of the tracks from the above-mentioned singles are featured on _Dream Encores_, so I don't think they'd try to slip either one of the singles in again. > > (bleeghr <- where did you learn that, Hilmar ?) > > >From my daughter, 6 months old and full of funny 'words' like this. I > have already suggested to Jerome to have her do vocals on 'Lion's > Share' ;-) Ah, German babytalk. ;) > >Hilmar, did you already order a copy ? You're living in Berlin, > >you'd be the first list member who can solve this puzzle then (wink!) ;-) > > true, I could even walk over there and pick up a copy. Only > problem...on the way from my place to theirs are 2 beergardens and a > few nice pubs and outdoor cafes, and somehow an icecold beer is more > of an attraction than owning TDI001-TDI012. Especially when you can > invite the whole pub for 3 nights in a row and still have more cash > left in your pocket then Mr. Ed wants to have for his dice. Either these are not big pubs, or beer in Germany is priced like soft drinks are here! > But seriously, I already mailed the TDI Music office for more info. > Maybe they'll reply... > > Hilmar I hope they reply to yours sooner than they replied to the mail I sent them last...Wednesday...? Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 8:09 pm Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD unsubscribe tadream Dream Dice list subscribe tadream KEEP list Pete mailto:penfold@a... http://www.artnet.net/~penfold/dev/null 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides on which instruments to take on the road. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14458 Re: Sean Montgomery Tue 6/9/1998 3 KB 14476 Re: PENFOLD Wed 6/10/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 8:20 pm Subject: Re: Dream Dice ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mchmiele@i... (mark chmielewski) Hans-Peter, Had the same problem as you describe, I was sent a note about the order not being placed. I replied to the note explaining the problem (I'm still using Netscape 3.0 for Windows) and in the note, I said I was complying with the rules and regulations....I got my confirmation today in my e-mail...give it a try...if you deleted the original rejection.....order again and follow the same process. One last thing....Bill Gates strikes again for compatability.... >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: Hans-Peter Mueller > > >Hello, > >I frankly admit that I'm one of those who'd like to order DD (although >gritting my teeth). 'Would' like, because I have a severe problem >(besides the money): Netscape 4.03 doesn't show the web page correctly, >ie all those little clickable boxes (Yes/No etc.) are invisible. With >Internet Explorer this problem does not occur, but then I'm not able to >send the order form (only the header is sent). > >TDI very quickly rejected my first attempt to order DD (Netscape >problems - see above). But they haven't yet reacted to my posting that >describes my difficulties. > >So, my question is: Has anybody actually ordered DD? Or - better still: >Who can help? > >Hans-Peter > > > > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 8:58 pm Subject: Re: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Really-From: PENFOLD > > > unsubscribe tadream Dream Dice list > subscribe tadream KEEP list Shit! Don't get *that* one started again! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14476 Re: PENFOLD Wed 6/10/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 9:03 pm Subject: Re: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: PENFOLD > >unsubscribe tadream Dream Dice list >subscribe tadream KEEP list Nice try, I think the Dream Dice is pretty much on topic. You mean we shouldn't discuss they latest release here ?????????? Boy, either go ahead and contribute something of value - the D:Live discussion already started - did you respond yet ? - or just hit the Key. Pick your choice, it's up to you. Kindly, Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 9, 1998 11:17 pm Subject: Re: KEEP's writer says album is 'quite a collector's item.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Mark Kosten' Michael Mann would be one of the few directors that are also auteurs - in other words his films are very much from his vision and all aspects of the film, but particularly image and sound, stem from this vision. As such, there can be no excuse - he carries the can when things don't work right. -----Original Message----- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Date: Wednesday, 10 June 1998 4:34 Subject: RE: KEEP's writer says album is 'quite a collector's item.' >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > >Michael Mann, who seems to have a great visual sense, had no >sense at all > >of this type of story and how to tell it. He either didn't >have much > >sense of how the story is constructed, or simply didn't care. >He just > > I have to disagree with F. here. I think Mann is a great >director who hires the WORST EDITORS IN THE WORLD!!! All of his films, >even the critically-acclaimed ones, have suffered in the editiing room, >IMHO. On the commentary on the Thief laserdisc, he briefly mentions how >his editors screw up his films. THAT'S the problem with the Keep. > > Scott > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 12:30 am Subject: Re: SNAFU ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 06:02 PM 6/9/1998 +0200, Jens wrote: >Thanks to Vince, Colin and Kirby for the quick replies. :-) > >Question is, if my countrymen knew *that* meaning, when setting up the >domain (snafu.de) ? ;-) > >Is it common greed speech ? According to a friend who lives in Germany, the network knew EXACTLY what SNAFU stands for when they name it. I asked him about a year ago. Which entertained me no end, since it indicated that the (you) Germans have a terrific (and self-deprecating) sense of humor. :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 1:44 am Subject: Need some OOP TD? Check this out... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' Hello kiddies... Just so happened to check out a place in Nashville Tennessee and found that they have a handful of TD cutouts and imports at not-so-bad prices (although some of the imports are a little on the dear side). Your mileage may vary... Check out www.duffelbag.com (no, _I_ did not spell it wrong, they did!!!) Happy hunting! (Sorry, Steve, no K**P LP's!) :-) NP: Robyn Hitchcock / Uncorrected Personality Traits (dis boy be weird....) ========================================= Craig A. Shipley craigs@s... Siemens-Nixdorf ITSN 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (770) 242-9374 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ========================================= Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14509 Re: Need some OOP TD? Check this out... Michael Fox Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 2:51 am Subject: Livemiles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'jowers' Could someone please help me in identifying the synths on the cover of Livemiles? If I had the LP, I'm sure I could tell. Also, if anyone saw them during that tour, what is behind Chris? Is it the modular system or just rack modules??? Please E-mail me privately if this would be better answered off list. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 24553 Livemiles aslanfan1@a... Mon 10/23/2000 2 KB 24574 Re: Livemiles Frank Arellano Tue 10/24/2000 3 KB 34108 Livemiles Morgan Feldon Thu 5/23/2002 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 6:36 am Subject: Re: updated D:LIVE! & ETC. Schedule ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Victor Rek >Phase I: The Highly Improvisational Years (1970-1981) >Part A: 'The Pink Years': 1967 & 1970 -1973 >June 7 / Week 1: All known dates 1967 & 1970-73: > .70 Berlin (broadcast) 15 min (FM) > .71 Ultima Thule Part 1/Part 2 [1.3A] > Official Release: 1971 (Ohr 7') > .71 Berlin (broadcast) (UT outtake) 9 min. (FM) [1.1A] > 6.?.71 Ossiach (Welt-Musik Festival) 'Ozillator Planet Konzert' > Official Release: Ossiach Live 3LP (BASF, 1971) > Boots: Mystery Tracks I (CD), Rare Trax I CDR), > Ossiach Live (CD) [1.3A] > Tapes: 8 min. (Au) > 6.19.71 Frankfurt (Frankfurt University) 45 min. (FM) > .72/.73? Unknown location - live 35 min. (SB) [1.1A] > .72 Berlin (RIAS FM) 'Klangcollage' show 20 min. (FM) [1.3B] > 4.25.72 OST: Geradeaus bis zum Morgen 13 min. (TV) [1.3B] > 11.25.72 Cologne (WDR-FM 'Klangwald') 45 min. (FM) > 5.25.73 Ponts de Ce 84 min. (Au) [1.2] > 8.21.73 OST: Ein fuer alle mal 38 min. (TV) > 11.29.73 Berlin (RIAS FM) 45 min. (FM) [1.1B] >------------------------------------------------------------------ Available on the 'Virtual Files' CD-R series for your further enjoyment and review.... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 11:24 am Subject: Extra-single in DICE-Box ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Rainer Rutka dreamers... had a nice talk to the girl in the TDI office Berlin. I asked her 'bout the 'extra-single' from the Dice-Box. The only thing, she told me is what there are 3 _new_ songs on that disk. Rainer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 9:48 am Subject: Re: Extra-single in DICE-Box ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Rainer Rutka > > dreamers... > > had a nice talk to the girl in the TDI office Berlin. I asked her 'bout > the 'extra-single' from the Dice-Box. > > The only thing, she told me is what there are 3 _new_ songs on that disk. Edgar gets the Marketing Prize of the Year. Did someone float him some of the comments on the Box that were running last week? Maybe he thought he'd stick something 'extra' in there...? ::E:: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 5:25 pm Subject: Beer (was: Dice becomes bigger - bonus disc added!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) >Either these are not big pubs, or beer in Germany is priced like soft >drinks are here! Gabe, spot on! Most of the pubs offer beer as the cheapest beverage on the menu (cheaper than coca cola or soda water). There is actually a law against this, that forces the pubs to offer at least one non-alcoholic drink cheaper than beer, but I just read that 2/3rds of the pubs ignore this law. And, most suprisingly to most North-Americans, of course you can order beer at any McDonalds or BurgerKing in Germany (luckily, this is mostly served in a clear plastic cup, not your average fast-food paper cup) Sorry for this brief cross-cultural exchange with no TD content. Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14484 Re: Beer (was: Dice becomes bigger - bonus disc a Gabe Yedid Wed 6/10/1998 3 KB 14510 Re: Beer (was: Dice becomes bigger - bonus disc a Michael Fox Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 10:53 am Subject: f paul wilson, michael mann, & editors ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>Michael Mann, who seems to have a great visual sense, had no sense at all >>>of this type of story and how to tell it. He either didn't have much >>sense of how the story is constructed, or simply didn't care. >I have to disagree with F. here. I think Mann is a great >director who hires the WORST EDITORS IN THE WORLD!!! All of his films, >even the critically-acclaimed ones, have suffered in the editiing room, >IMHO. On the commentary on the Thief laserdisc, he briefly mentions how >his editors screw up his films. THAT'S the problem with the Keep. ahh yes but the director is above the editor in the film hierarchy; this is like the captain of the titanic blaming the engine room for ramming an iceberg. simply put, if the editor screws up, it's the director's fault for not overseeing the editing process, following up on dailies etc. If a film is screwed up it's either a) the director's fault or b) the fault of forces beyond his control (producers, film company, etc). for mann to blame others (especially those below him) just shows his own personal inadequacies... lars Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14481 Re: f paul wilson, michael mann, & editors JMPoer Wed 6/10/1998 4 KB 14485 Re: f paul wilson, michael mann, & editors Plumer, Scott Wed 6/10/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 12:27 pm Subject: Off-topic: World Cup 98 Hi In a few hours the opening match of the World Cup will begin. Just want to say that I hope Scotland will beat Brasil, as everybody seems to support Brasil! Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14473 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 Hilmar Kraft Wed 6/10/1998 3 KB 14475 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 Frédéric Yargui Wed 6/10/1998 6 KB 14495 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 TWeibre361@a... Wed 6/10/1998 2 KB 14497 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 Francisco Salgado C. Wed 6/10/1998 3 KB 14500 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 Jeffrey Au-Yeung Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB 14501 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 Francisco Salgado C. Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB 14504 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 Jens Peschke Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB 14521 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 Jens Peschke Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB 14524 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Thu 6/11/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 12:33 pm Subject: Live Miles synths ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' Well, I don't have the LP either, but from what I remember: Edgar has a Roland Jupiter-8 with a Programmers module on it. In the rack behind him is a bunch of E-Mu, Roland and Yamaha (not real sure about the last one) modules. Chris is seated in front of his big modular Moog, playing an Emulator I or II. Forgot what Paul is at, but his rig was mostly Roland and I think that there is a Yamaha electric piano in there somewhere. By this time, all of the old ARPs 'n Mellotrons were gone, with the Emulator(s) handling all of the samples. (This is all from memory, both the cover and the info. I remember reading about most of what was in the rig in a Keyboard magazine from around that time. They may have even used this same photo...) ========================================= Craig A. Shipley craigs@s... Siemens-Nixdorf ITSN 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (770) 242-9374 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ========================================= From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 12:42 pm Subject: SNAFU? Here's another one or two ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' Well, since the military acronym 'snafu' came up, I can't believe that no-one has associated another 'colorful' term with the DD set and that term is 'BOHICA' ('bend over, here it comes again'). And snafu'd isn't as bad as being TARFU'd (Totally And Royally F***ed Up). Y'all would know if Eddie and Jerry were out to plook ya if DD had a catalog number that was something like 'Bohica 1-12'... >:-) ('plook'? A term from Frank Zappa (RIP) meaning just what you think it might mean...) ========================================= Craig A. Shipley craigs@s... Siemens-Nixdorf ITSN 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (770) 242-9374 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ========================================= Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14483 Re: SNAFU? Here's another one or two Gabe Yedid Wed 6/10/1998 3 KB 14519 Re: SNAFU? Here's another one or two Colin Knowles-Spittle Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 1:16 pm Subject: Melody Maker articles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I have a pile of TD articles that I believe are from Melody Maker. I'd like to list them in my TD bibliography, but I don't have the dates of the articles or anything. Might someone have some '70s articles from MM that they could help me clarify these? Thanks. Scott Plumer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 1:21 pm Subject: Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >In a few hours the opening match of the World Cup will begin. Just want to say that I hope >Scotland will beat Brasil, as everybody seems to support Brasil! And I just want to say that I hope that you will turn off the 'send as HTML' option in your mail reader, as everybody seems to consider this a bit annoying! ;-) Hilmar ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 2:35 pm Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dave Lane' subscribe tadream-digest From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 3:09 pm Subject: Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 No, everybody support not Brazil. They have put a mess in my town just because they were training and I hate Brazil you hear?! Had to be said. Nah. Fred (mad man, remember) Just love Brazil on other ways. Have good friend and collegue Brazilian. Good track from Genesis too. No? -----Message d'origine-----De : tadream mailing list À : tadream@cs.uwp.edu Date : mercredi 10 juin 1998 14:47Objet : Off-topic: World Cup 98 Hi In a few hours the opening match of the World Cup will begin. Just want to say that I hope Scotland will beat Brasil, as everybody seems to support Brasil! Jeffrey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 2:47 pm Subject: Re: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD At 13:58 19980609- -0700, tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Sean Montgomery >> Really-From: PENFOLD >> >> >> unsubscribe tadream Dream Dice list >> subscribe tadream KEEP list > > >Shit! Don't get *that* one started again! all in jest.....all in jest But I *did* see a copy of the LP soundtrack Pete mailto:penfold@a... http://www.artnet.net/~penfold/dev/null 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides on which instruments to take on the road. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 10:23 pm Subject: Unrare Dice ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) By looking at some of the dealers pages, I see that Dream Dice is also being offered there: at a mininum, Groove Unlimited offers it on their page. So...it is true that DD is the ONLY item than can be ordered from the TDI page, but it is not true that DD can ONLY be ordered from the web page. It can also be had elsewhere. Now I am going to find out how much Groove Unlimited is charging for it... At any rate...DD is NOT a rarity by a long shot! At least not any rarer than Tangents, I dare say. So...why this outrageous price??? Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14482 Re: Unrare Dice JMPoer Wed 6/10/1998 4 KB 14496 Re: Unrare Dice Francisco Salgado C. Wed 6/10/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 10:44 pm Subject: Prices for single TD items are HIGH as well! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) Well, when I saw that the US-based dealers had the new TD items in stock for $19.99 and up, I thought nothing of it - to the USA, these are import items. But, low-and-behold: Groove Unlimited's prices are way higher than what CDs usually cost as well and even higher than most other Groove Unlimited prices. So it is not Groove Unlimited to blame, I suppose. Most single TD items are DM45 (plus shipping). And...the Dream Dice box is listed as DM625. Which teaches us a few things about how Groove Unlimited calculates their sales margins. Thanks TD, thanks a lot. Those prices are really something. Thanks for milking every little cent out of us! Hilmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14479 Re: Prices for single TD items are HIGH as well! Florine Epure Wed 6/10/1998 4 KB 14480 Re: Prices for single TD items are HIGH as well! Rainer Rutka Wed 6/10/1998 4 KB 14489 Re: Prices for single TD items are HIGH as well! Sean Montgomery Wed 6/10/1998 3 KB 14490 Re: Prices for single TD items are HIGH as well! Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 6/10/1998 3 KB 14492 Re: Prices for single TD items are HIGH as well! Greg Heil Wed 6/10/1998 4 KB 14516 TA II (was Re: Prices for single TD items are HIG Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 4:15 pm Subject: Re: Prices for single TD items are HIGH as well! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Florine Epure' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) > > Most single TD items are DM45 (plus shipping). > > And...the Dream Dice box is listed as DM625. Which teaches us a few > things about how Groove Unlimited calculates their sales margins. > > Thanks TD, thanks a lot. Those prices are really something. Thanks for > milking every little cent out of us! > > Hilmar When I first heard about new TDI label and releases I thought it is good news.Well with all these high prices seems like TDI label is really bad news (new releases are good news anyway) - with old TD labels I'd pay for a new TD CD - CDN $17 that is US $12 - new prices will be more than 50% higher? And I'm pretty sure it's going to be more difficult to find them anyway compared to old labels. About the high prices - for now they think thery are going to get away with it - but the real result will be seen in 1-2 years - if really TDI will be the only source for TD CD's new and old - they'll see that less and less people will pay this high price and buy their cd's - of course I will buy them and I know a lot of people on this list will - but overall their sales will surely drop. Florin. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 7:02 pm Subject: Re: Prices for single TD items are HIGH as well! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Most single TD items are DM45 (plus shipping). > And...the Dream Dice box is listed as DM625. Which teaches us a few > things about how Groove Unlimited calculates their sales margins. UPS ! DM 625 / 12 CDS = 52 DM each CD (approx: $35) What's what I call expensive ! Or you shure it's a CD and not a plate of gold ? > Thanks TD, thanks a lot. Those prices are really something. Thanks for > milking every little cent out of us! > Hilmar Right. If you order this one by TDI you pay DM 500. What is DM 41,67 per CD. OK - if you add the 'bonus-single' it's: 500 / 13 = 38,46 DM. (approx. $26). The normal price for 1 CD is about 25 to 35 DM for a _new_ CD in Germany. Sometimes they are cheaper. (divide DM / 1.5 and you have the dollars) But - no extra charge for the shipping (OH SOOOOO NICE.....) I hope not all new TDI releases will be so expensive the next months or years. If yes, I'll think TDI will have some problems in the future. Rainer (STOP: I know why the box is so expensive: IT'S THE SINGS by Eddy and Jerry with a gold pen) ! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 4:23 pm Subject: Re: f paul wilson, michael mann, & editors ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JMPoer At 06:53 AM 6/10/1998 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > >>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>>Michael Mann, who seems to have a great visual sense, had no >sense at all >>>>of this type of story and how to tell it. He either didn't >have much >>>sense of how the story is constructed, or simply didn't care. > >>I have to disagree with F. here. I think Mann is a great >>director who hires the WORST EDITORS IN THE WORLD!!! All of his films, >>even the critically-acclaimed ones, have suffered in the editiing room, >>IMHO. On the commentary on the Thief laserdisc, he briefly mentions how >>his editors screw up his films. THAT'S the problem with the Keep. > >ahh yes but the director is above the editor in the film hierarchy; this is >like the captain of the titanic blaming the engine room for ramming an >iceberg. simply put, if the editor screws up, it's the director's fault >for not overseeing the editing process, following up on dailies etc. If a >film is screwed up it's either a) the director's fault or b) the fault of >forces beyond his control (producers, film company, etc). for mann to >blame others (especially those below him) just shows his own personal >inadequacies... >lars > > Scott > To be fair, you have to admit that Directors aren't always the 'final word'. They are usually responsible to someone whoe put up the money. A few can do ANYTHING they want, the rest are always under pressure from other 'creative' minds who think they know better, and who may be in a position to 'strongly encourage' agreement. In reality, very few directors today are in TOTAL control of a production. John jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 4:27 pm Subject: Re: Unrare Dice ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JMPoer At 03:23 PM 6/10/1998 GMT, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) > > >By looking at some of the dealers pages, I see that Dream Dice is also >being offered there: at a mininum, Groove Unlimited offers it on their >page. $300 > >So...it is true that DD is the ONLY item than can be ordered from the >TDI page, but it is not true that DD can ONLY be ordered from the web >page. It can also be had elsewhere. Now I am going to find out how >much Groove Unlimited is charging for it... > >At any rate...DD is NOT a rarity by a long shot! At least not any >rarer than Tangents, I dare say. So...why this outrageous price??? BECAUSE THEY CAN! John jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 5:15 pm Subject: Re: SNAFU? Here's another one or two ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' > > > Well, since the military acronym 'snafu' came up, I can't believe that > no-one has associated another 'colorful' term with the DD set and that term > is 'BOHICA' ('bend over, here it comes again'). And snafu'd isn't as bad as > being TARFU'd (Totally And Royally F***ed Up). Are these all military in origin? I'm just surprised nobody brought up the old programmer's standby--FUBAR (F*cked up beyond all recognition). > ========================================= > Craig A. Shipley craigs@s... Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 5:21 pm Subject: Re: Beer (was: Dice becomes bigger - bonus disc added!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) > > > >Either these are not big pubs, or beer in Germany is priced like soft > >drinks are here! > > Gabe, spot on! Most of the pubs offer beer as the cheapest beverage on > the menu (cheaper than coca cola or soda water). There is actually a > law against this, that forces the pubs to offer at least one > non-alcoholic drink cheaper than beer, but I just read that 2/3rds of > the pubs ignore this law. And it doesn't seem to be particularly strongly enforced, either. > And, most suprisingly to most North-Americans, of course you can order > beer at any McDonalds or BurgerKing in Germany (luckily, this is > mostly served in a clear plastic cup, not your average fast-food paper > cup) Yes...much to my chagrin, I learned that my favourite beer, Tucher, is readily available at McDick's across Germany. (Shoot me...I like a sweet, not-very-hoppy beer...) > Sorry for this brief cross-cultural exchange with no TD content. sorry for continuing it...;) > Hilmar Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14510 Re: Beer (was: Dice becomes bigger - bonus disc a Michael Fox Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 5:56 pm Subject: RE: f paul wilson, michael mann, & editors ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >To be fair, you have to admit that Directors aren't always the 'final >word'. They are usually responsible to someone whoe put up the money. A few >can do ANYTHING they want, the rest are always under pressure from other >'creative' minds who think they know better, and who may be in a position >to 'strongly encourage' agreement. >In reality, very few directors today are in TOTAL control of a production. Very true. The executive producer is the one who puts up the production money, and thus can often exert control over a prodcution. Ironically, Mann was the EP of the Miami Vice series, and exercised quite a bit of control over the show's production. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 5:39 pm Subject: off topic, rmi & redshift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers excuse the brief tangent (there, I said something td related :-) I just want to say that for anyone who likes 70s td, redshift and ether, if you haven't heard RMI yet, you simply must try them. I'm sure the RMI-MS comparison will tweak a few people's knobs but TS. I recently got Frozen North & Republic and they're awesome. Thanks Roger for the sampler tape!!! Hey even Steven F. liked them so they can't be all bad! we know return you to your regularly scheduled dream dice channel lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14488 Re: off topic, rmi & redshift Vincent Goudreault Wed 6/10/1998 3 KB 14494 Re: off topic, rmi & redshift Jens Peschke Wed 6/10/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 5:29 pm Subject: td etc viddies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers I recently paid to have a bunch of td & etc videos converted from PAL to NTSC (n. american format) for a fellow td fan. It now turns out, however, that--because of circumstances apparently beyond his control--he can no longer afford to reimburse my expenses. In short, I've spent some $$ for the conversions and I have a pile of videos sitting here doing nothing... (when will I learn?!) There is a fair amount of material from 70s to 90s--live, interviews, etc.; quality ranges from mediocre to very good; content ranges from OK to very good .... so if anyone is interested in some or all of this stuff, email me OFF-LIST please for details etc. I'm willing to horse trade or whatever. First come, first served. IJSYA lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 6:16 pm Subject: Re: off topic, rmi & redshift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > dreamers > excuse the brief tangent (there, I said something td related :-) I just > want to say that for anyone who likes 70s td, redshift and ether, if you > haven't heard RMI yet, you simply must try them. I'm sure the RMI-MS > comparison will tweak a few people's knobs but TS. > (...) Thnaks for the reminder, Lars, but you should know that most shops I went to never even heard of Radio Massacre International. Quite simply, if I can make a suggestion, if you are to bring up some recommendations, perhaps you should also indicate how one may get a hold of the good stuff (e-mail address, store names, etc.) C.B. Vincent Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 7:22 pm Subject: Re: Prices for single TD items are HIGH as well! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery Something just occurred to me...ignoring the mysterious bonus disk, if you take the 13 Dream Dice CDs (Dream Mixes is a double disk, after all) and mulitply them by 20 dollars...it's actually CHEAPER to buy them separately than to buy the set. I somehow doubt that the three track disk is worth the 40 dollar difference...and I already have Jerome and Edgar's autographs. Curiouser and curiouser. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 8:37 pm Subject: Re: Prices for single TD items are HIGH as well! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > Something just occurred to me...ignoring the mysterious bonus disk, if > you take the 13 Dream Dice CDs (Dream Mixes is a double disk, after all) > and mulitply them by 20 dollars...it's actually CHEAPER to buy them > separately than to buy the set. I somehow doubt that the three track disk > is worth the 40 dollar difference...and I already have Jerome and Edgar's > autographs. Amen, brother! Plus, Edgar added that *bonus* CD after the fact, didn't he? Sneaky... ::E:: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 8:44 pm Subject: don't jump to conclusions ordering dice ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers I was just checking around at some of the tdi clients to see if they had any releases or would be carrying the dice.... no luck with the online sites so I call rpm directly. sadly, they did NOT have a clue what I was talking about... 'yeah yeah, oh we get whatever they put out; no they haven't solicited us but I'm sure we'll get it' there you have it; not an answer I would trust. lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14502 Re: don't jump to conclusions ordering dice Lars R. Jones Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 9:11 pm Subject: Re: Prices for single TD items are HIGH as well! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' -----Original Message----- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Date: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 1:59 PM Subject: Re: Prices for single TD items are HIGH as well! >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > >> Really-From: Sean Montgomery >> >> Something just occurred to me...ignoring the mysterious bonus disk, if >> you take the 13 Dream Dice CDs (Dream Mixes is a double disk, after all) >> and mulitply them by 20 dollars...it's actually CHEAPER to buy them >> separately than to buy the set. I somehow doubt that the three track >disk >> is worth the 40 dollar difference...and I already have Jerome and Edgar's >> autographs. > >Amen, brother! Plus, Edgar added that *bonus* CD after the fact, didn't he? >Sneaky... > >::E:: > Guess sumone is just going to have to buy this thing and tell us all about it... I live on $45 every two weeks.. (of course I live at home) but still.. 'Dream Dice' is too much of a gamble (pun intended) for me to deal with. Pheonix Grabs: C. Franke's 'Klemania' (awesome!) TD 'Theif' Import from Holland (very awesome 'Diamond Diary' is the best!) TD 'White Eagle' (repair the damaged one I own) TD 'Rubycon' (I think I needed this one...) TD 'Phaedra' (liking this one better than 'Rubycon' but maybe that's becuse I like 'Echoes' so much.;') Note: I bought Tangerine Ambience 2 and the disc was defective! So I returned it and got another copy.. and it was defective in the same way again! This broke my heart.. ;o( and the parts that worked were awesome. But I can order this one so it's no biggie. Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14516 TA II (was Re: Prices for single TD items are HIG Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 9:23 pm Subject: UK Tour '97 (and first gen.?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' Hello !! Two weeks ago I wrote: > Hi, dreamers. > > I'm looking for MASTER of fan tapes from concerts of this tour (UK >Tour >'97). So, if you have a master tape of these concerts and you want to >make a >record trade, write me. > > UK TOUR: > > 10.29.97 Bristol (Colston Hall) > 10.31.97 Nottingham (Usher Hall) > 11.1.97 Glasgow (Royal Concert Hall) > 11.2.97 Leeds (Town and Country Club) > 11.3.97 Birmingham (Symphony Hall) > 11.4.97 Manchester (Apollo City Hall) > 11.6.97 London (Shepherd's Bush Empire) Okey, okey, nobody has at me written :-( ...Snif... ...But and somebody has first generations? :-)))) Dream Dice is filthy, but Jubilee Edition is great, José Ramón NP- TD - '06.11.82 - Dominion, London' (Mojave Plan) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 9:18 pm Subject: Re: off topic, rmi & redshift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: Vincent Goudreault > >Thnaks for the reminder, Lars, but you should know that most shops >I went to never even heard of Radio Massacre International. >Quite simply, if I can make a suggestion, if you are to bring up >some recommendations, perhaps you should also indicate how one >may get a hold of the good stuff (e-mail address, store names, etc.) I'd ask RMI's Steve Dinsdale dinsds01@b... where to pick up his stuff. He's also willing to include you in a mailing list where you get the latest RMI news. Met him and his very lovely girlfriend at the last KLEMdag (an official live CD-R called 'a bridge too far' of that gig is released). Organ Harvest is my favourite RMI release to date, FWIW. Lars, after discovering Redshift and RMI you should try Node, their scary stuff kicks ass. Kees' Groove Unlimited has all mentioned artists in stock. Kind Regards Jens np: The best TD album not released by TD, Node: Node (tie with Redshift: Ether). From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 9:32 pm Subject: Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-06-10 08:26:32 EDT, you write: << In a few hours the opening match of the World Cup will begin. Just want to say that I hope Scotland will beat Brasil, as everybody seems to support Brasil! >> baloney...usa is the one to beat.... tom w np: (early) we are the champions From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 6:32 pm Subject: Re: Unrare Dice ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: JMPoer > > At 03:23 PM 6/10/1998 GMT, you wrote: > --- > >Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) > > > > > >By looking at some of the dealers pages, I see that Dream Dice is also > >being offered there: at a mininum, Groove Unlimited offers it on their > >page. > > $300 > > >At any rate...DD is NOT a rarity by a long shot! At least not any > >rarer than Tangents, I dare say. So...why this outrageous price??? > > BECAUSE THEY CAN! WEll, I confess here, I spent 600 dollars in the Historic Edition and Silver Edition by Schulze ( $300 each) and I owe also the Jubilee Edition ( 25 CD) that cost 45.000 pesetas ( around 280 dollars), and I'm happy with that I've got. I could spend another 300 in this dice and my economy wouldn't suffer... discussed here, 80% of it has been already published . Since I know I'd feel unhappy with that set I WILl NOT BUY IT. What I'll buy is those original releases ( transiberian stuff etc.) i don't have. I seek TD's music Not boxes nor signatures. regards Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 10:53 pm Subject: Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > tadream mailing list wrote: > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : tadream mailing list > À : tadream@c... > Date : mercredi 10 juin 1998 14:47 > Objet : Off-topic: World Cup 98 > > Hi > > In a few hours the opening match of the World Cup will begin. > Just want to say that I hope Scotland will beat Brasil, as > everybody seems to support Brasil! As you might guess I support the best selection on this wolrld championship: SPAIN. ( we have won the european junior( under 21) championship, we are the selection who did more goals during the clasification and whe haven't lost a single official match since Italy beat ut in USA championship 4 years ago.... so dee you at the final Brazil... and loose Francisco ---Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: I JUST WANT TO RULE... pic sleeve 45 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:56:20 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: US LPs of AGES & PINNACLES: They Don't Exist >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Vic Rek > >>Really-From: Steven Feldman > >>I have a picture sleeve 45 of 'I Just Want to Rule My Life Without >>You.' I bought it in an auction, never having heard of its existence >>before I bid on it. I now own it, so now I know that it's for real. > >???? ;-) ???? ;-) ???? :-))) What is it you're asking? About two years ago, I won the following two 45s in an auction: o BERLIN ALEXANDER SQUARE by Tangerine Dream (German, pic sleeve) o I JUST WANT TO RULE MY OWN LIFE WITHOUT YOU by Chi Coltrane (German, pic sleeve) Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02146; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. SOME CURRENT E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Redshift, Nightcrawlers, R. Carty, Ozrics, Serrie +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | TD DISCOGRAPHY http://www.online.de/home/tdklaus/GENERAL/Pocketdg.txt | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 11:07 pm Subject: tadream-digest V16 #306 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Galen.Herod@n... Would someone please send me Digest 306? Thanks. Galen Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 11:08 pm Subject: Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' >Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > >In a message dated 98-06-10 08:26:32 EDT, you write: > ><< In a few hours the opening match of the World Cup will begin. Just want to >say that I hope Scotland will beat Brasil, as everybody seems to support >Brasil! >> > >baloney...usa is the one to beat.... > >tom w > >np: (early) we are the champions Did you notice there would be a match between the US and Iran on June 22? Looks like a mini war between 2 countries...you know what football hooligans usually do... Jeffrey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 11:12 pm Subject: Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > tadream mailing list wrote: As you might guess I support the best selection on this wolrld championship: SPAIN. ( we have won the european junior( under 21) championship, we are the selection who did more goals during the clasification and whe haven't lost a single official match since Italy beat ut in USA championship 4 years ago.... * Yeah, Spain has a good chance, at least the other teams in group D are not so strong in the first round. And at least I will support Spain but not Italy... so dee you at the final Brazil... and loose * They did do quite well in the first match, unlucky Scotland lost by the shoulder. Jeffrey From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 11:38 pm Subject: Re: don't jump to conclusions ordering dice ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Lars, Did you try Eurock? I saw that they listed the same price as TDI Music (USD300), and there they might easily quote you the postage. Hope this helps. Jeffrey Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers I was just checking around at some of the tdi clients to see if they had any releases or would be carrying the dice.... no luck with the online sites so I call rpm directly. sadly, they did NOT have a clue what I was talking about... 'yeah yeah, oh we get whatever they put out; no they haven't solicited us but I'm sure we'll get it' there you have it; not an answer I would trust. lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: RMI and Node: BFD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:39:08 -0400 >Subject: Re: off topic, rmi & redshift >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Lars R. Jones <105411.3107@c...> > >[. . .] if you haven't heard RMI yet, you simply must try them. I'm sure >the RMI-MS comparison will tweak a few people's knobs but TS. X-0 :( There you go again, Lars, with acronyms that *only you* have a clue about. MS? TS? What are those? (BFD means Big F-ing Deal.) >I recently got Frozen North & Republic and they're awesome. Thanks >Roger for the sampler tape!!! Hey even Steven F. liked them so they >can't be all bad! Errrr... I *like* FROZEN NORTH, but I am not crazy about it. The synth settings are very limited, and the music is not very dynamic, aurally. I haven't heard REPUBLIC. As for Node, all I've heard is the TERMINUS EP, and I don't think it's any great shakes. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but I calls 'em like I sees 'em. -- Steven Feldman --------------------------------------------------------------------- 'I don't give a damn on what the journalists are saying. If some dog pees at a tree, the tree won't fall down!' -- Klaus Kinski Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14505 Re: RMI and Node: BFD Jens Peschke Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB 14507 Re: RMI and Node: BFD Steven Feldman Thu 6/11/1998 5 KB 14538 Re: RMI and Node: BFD dan.cor@v... Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 12:20 am Subject: Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > >As you might guess I support the best selection on this wolrld championship: >SPAIN. ( we have won the european junior( under 21) championship, we are the >selection who did more goals during the clasification and whe haven't lost a >single official match since Italy beat ut in USA championship 4 years ago.... Francisco, did Spain ever made it into a championship (over 21) cup final ? I don't mind if your team win, but guess Brasil or French will be the champion. Hopefully not Italy, just don't like their minimalistic style. Jens (who played soccer in the Los Latinos club de football of Hannover, with guys from Argentina, Bolivia, Equador, Iran, Peru and Uruguay) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 12:34 am Subject: Re: RMI and Node: BFD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: Steven Feldman > Errrr... I *like* FROZEN NORTH, but I am not crazy about it. The >synth settings are very limited, and the music is not very dynamic, >aurally. I haven't heard REPUBLIC. > As for Node, all I've heard is the TERMINUS EP, and I don't think >it's any great shakes. > Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but I calls 'em like I sees 'em. Well, we've quite a different taste then. ;-) I'd say the same about the Nightcrawlers, their 'Travelling Backwards' 2CD isn't bad but not good enough to get much playing, is covering dust now. Anyone fancy to trade this ? Btw, I take it you don't like Sorcerer then, Steven ? Kind Regards Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Delayed Reaction to DREAM DICE Bruhaha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 16:43:37 -0700 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: DREAM DICE: The revenge of Edgar >Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > [. . .] >Arg!! What, are you not rich enough Mr Norseman!?!?!? You wonder why we >buy bootlegs of your stuff? THIS is why. [. . .] After all of our >support, TD pulls a stunt like this. Well, f**k you Edgar!! I now return >you to your local butt-reaming. Hee hee, we ought to call Edgar 'The Butt Dentist' . . . because he's always filling anal cavities! Yeeeee-hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: Dream Dice Box Set >Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:00:43 +0000 >Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves > >Hi Gang, > >I have been watching the sad comments regarding the so-called fleecing >of the hardcore fans because of the box set that TDI is releasing. The >comments show a rather immature viewpoint [. . .] Immature, yes, but it's also the results of facing the horror of spending even more money for something that we already knew was going to cost big-time. (Sure, 12 CDs will amount to a big number, but when those 12 CDs are so pricey, it comes as a shock--if not a slap in the face.) >[. . .] The box sets make great introductions to what the band has >done in the past and makes difficult to find music available to a larger >audience. We may have all of this music already but a lot of people have >not seen this before. [. . .] Well, AMBIENT MONKEYS, DREAM MIXES II, THE KEEP, and TOURNADO were referred to as *'pre-release'* versions from the very start, weren't they? And they were/are hard to come by, so I see your point. >Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:27:36 -0700 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: Re: Dream Dice Box Set >Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > >When I was at SC we sold Franke's B5 CD's as a 5 CD set. We also sold >them individually. As individuals they outsold the sets at least 3 to 1. >Singles outsell sets. Duh. There are more people with $20 in their >pocket than with $150. Duh. A very good point that if Edgar is not aware of, should be made aware of. Care to enlighten him, Dano? (No smiley; go for it!) >For a fee, Matt, I can have your lips permanently removed from Edgar's >butt. What a lovely image. This is *my* version of imagining scenarios related to TD in this instance: in my mind's eye, I see a close-up of a cigarette burning the carapace of a tick upon Edgar's rump after Edgar is caught unawares by the varmint when frolicking in high grass. Ooooo, I'm so evocative. Not! >[. . .] tired of seeing the abuse of marketing tactics to rip people >off...and don't even get me started on the whole action figure marketing >stuff!!) Hold on! You mean there's going to be Edgar Froese action figures? I want one, I want one! X-0 >Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:34:11 -0400 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: immature fan bitching >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >before I start my rant [. . .] Nice to see some introspection and self-analysis here. ;) >point #4, I think it is particularly sad and tellling that edgar doesn't >even have the consideration to release the new stuff all in a nice box >set for his hardest core fans and that he has to load it down with shit. >do the math, even if the set sells for $225, the 6 cds of crap translate >to $33,750. At least schulze released live stuff without the bullshit >filler. I dunno, some folks on Goldtri (or was it the Space Music list, hee hee) opined that each and every one of Schulze's box sets were 'mostly filler.' >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: Re: TDI >Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:07:15 -0700 >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > >Mark, I'm afraid I have no tolerance for posts like this. Your post is >ripe with vehemence and doesn't belong on this list. [. . .] Now, *there's* a case of the pot calling the kettle black. >[. . .] I, myself, don't foster any sort of elitism about being >American, as I consider myself multiculturally well-rounded. Everyone >should be. I don't consider myself to be 'multiculturally well-rounded.' In fact, I go out of my way *not* to be. There is not one solitary culture that has not festered in infamy for one pathetic reason or another, and shopping around the multi culti supermarket can be as much a worsening of affairs as an improvement. Talk about elitism! When I was an under- grad, I used to tell the politically correct apologists that they acted like they were in in the 'Oppression Olympics'--you know, the culture of victimization, and blaming everybody and everyone else for one's problems. End of rant. >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:50:45 +0000 >Subject: >Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves > >Hi Gang, > >Nice try guy but I was born in Seattle and am American. However I am not >a centrist in that The U.S.A. is the top of the world, or the center of >the universe. [. . .] I'm not either, and that's why--as a UFOlogist--I find it pathetic that sci-fi movies always try to paint the Alien Question as an Us vs. Them Power Struggle--as if Mankind were anything more than a drop in the bucket in the larger scheme of things, in the first place. >[. . .] Keep in mind that the early TD albums before Virgin were sold >here as imports. In fact, TD became so popular with Virgin in the mid >70's that their records were imported in the US in big numbers. [. . .] >Those Virgin International Lps that people are looking for do exist. The >Virgin International label was a mid-list last gasp vinyl reissue in the >late 80's. These were U.S. made and cheaply done. After that, there were >no more U.S. Virgin LPs of TD. CDs were starting to take over. What's your point? The Virgin International LPS were and are plentiful. >Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:15:02 -0400 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: Re: Prices for single TD items are HIGH as well! >Really-From: 'Florine Epure' > >About the high prices - for now they think they are going to get away >with it - but the real result will be seen in 1-2 years - if really TDI >will be the only source for TD CD's new and old - they'll see that less >and less people will pay this high price and buy their cd's - of course >I will buy them and I know a lot of people on this list will - but >overall their sales will surely drop. Okay, so TD won't be the only source. Still, your point is a good one: you can only kick a dog that likes you so many times until it starts to snarl when you come near. >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: Re: Prices for single TD items are HIGH as well! >Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:37:07 -0700 >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > >[. . .] Plus, Edgar added that *bonus* CD after the fact, didn't he? The easiest way to ascertain whether or not the bonus 3-track CD was an afterthought or not is to see if it fits in the box or not. My guess is not. >Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:44:36 -0400 >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: don't jump to conclusions ordering dice >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >dreamers >I was just checking around at some of the tdi clients to see if they had >any releases or would be carrying the dice.... no luck with the online >sites so I call rpm directly. sadly, they did NOT have a clue what I was= > >talking about... 'yeah yeah, oh we get whatever they put out; no they >haven't solicited us but I'm sure we'll get it' That really sucks: so, Edgar announces a retailer as being a supplier without even the retailer knowing about it?!? Talk about counting your chickens before they've hatched! :( Well, that's it. Aren't you glad you waited for these pearls of wisdom? ;) -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14520 Re: Delayed Reaction to DREAM DICE Bruhaha Hilmar Kraft Thu 6/11/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: RMI and Node: BFD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:34:58 +0200 >Subject: Re: RMI and Node: BFD >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Jens Peschke > >>Really-From: Steven Feldman > >> Errrr... I *like* FROZEN NORTH, but I am not crazy about it. The >>synth settings are very limited, and the music is not very dynamic, >>aurally. I haven't heard REPUBLIC. >> As for Node, all I've heard is the TERMINUS EP, and I don't think >>it's any great shakes. > >Well, we've quite a different taste then. ;-) I'd say the same about >the Nightcrawlers, their 'Travelling Backwards' 2CD isn't bad but not >good enough to get much playing, is covering dust now. I really only like four tracks on it, myself: 'Digitalis,' 'Ombra,' 'Particle Dance,' and 'Shadows of Light' (the last two constitute the entirety of the 'Crawlers' third LP). I generally prefer their tapes to their albums, except for the third album. >Btw, I take it you don't like Sorcerer then, Steven ? I *do* like it. I like 'Desert Dream' from ENCORE, too. And the entirety of STRATOSFEAR. And Peter Baumann's ROMANCE 76. My complaint about FROZEN NORTH is that there isn't anything new there. Even Mark Shreeve's Redshift albums have something new in them, but FROZEN NORTH sounds more like a regurgitation rather than a progression. Sure, it's *supposed* to be a look back (which is how I look at OASIS), but that's all it is: a look back. Unfortunately, I feel that way about TD's OASIS in many ways. There is good stuff there, but it is mostly a retread, a trip through memory lane . . . and most of the tracks don't feel fully- developed and/or are not self-sufficient without the visuals. Recently, I've been listening to DREAM MIXES II, TANGERINE AMBIENCE II, and Robert Carty CDs more than anything else. Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02146; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. SOME CURRENT E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Redshift, Nightcrawlers, R. Carty, Ozrics, Serrie +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | TD DISCOGRAPHY http://www.online.de/home/tdklaus/GENERAL/Pocketdg.txt | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 8:54 pm Subject: D: LIVE - Week 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Gerardy The Ones: Lady Greengrass/Love of Mine I found these quite interesting from a historical perspective but I'm sure their main interest will only be because of the connection with TD. My son (17) walked in while I was listening to 'Love of Mine' for the first time and immediately said 'Thats so Doors.' I think I agree, the places where the organ speaks up especially sound a little 'Doorsian.' Lady Greengrass sounds more wannabe Beatles to me especially in the way it uses harmony. Can somebody tell me who the other members of The Ones were? Nothing I have says who beyond Edgar. Ultima Thule Its a shame they didn't do more material in this vein, IMO. I really like this piece. This piece sounds _really_ out of place with other material from that time in TDs career. Was it written recorded earlier? The other material is already into droning atmospheric beat-less-ness. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 4:40 pm Subject: Re: Need some OOP TD? Check this out... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 09:44 PM 6/9/98 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' >NP: Robyn Hitchcock / Uncorrected Personality Traits (dis boy be weird....) Indeed! But I dig that tune called 'Raymond Chandler Weekend'. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 10, 1998 9:02 pm Subject: Re: Beer (was: Dice becomes bigger - bonus disc added!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 01:21 PM 6/10/98 -0400, you wrote: >> Sorry for this brief cross-cultural exchange with no TD content. > >sorry for continuing it...;) Not at all, gents! I'm learning about y'all and some beers to pursue. Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 3:16 am Subject: Help complete CD(DVD) list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Resident Hello bunch! I'm a newbie on this list, proud owner of 75 CD's of the great band. Also I collect individual CD's of the members, including Klaus Schulze. CD's only! I have a total of 117 titles so far. Please help me to put together a complete list of the titles released on CD format. (DVD too) bootlegs included. The band and individual members too, don't forget KS. No CDR's. Thank you all. Tom e-mail me please at: aquatom@p... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 4:42 am Subject: Dream Dice TRUTH! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' This costly product.. of TD's creation.. and exactly what Edgar has done here is.. 'if you don't like it, don't buy it!' so his point of view is.. why fans.. why completeists? He dosn't need us.. and at some point.. a product will come along and break our backs and infuriate us away from TD. Us retro freakazoids clammering about the quality of TD's output in the past 10 years or so .. will choose to stand up and not buy this thing.. and move on to something else. TD's new fan base is the target market. We are obselete, part of the past.. part of that analog knob that fell in the trash bin 4 weeks ago. Oh well.. the truth be said Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14567 Re: Dream Dice TRUTH! AOutland@a... Sat 6/13/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 4:20 am Subject: Schmoelling CDs for trade ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: BHogan@n... Dear All, I have Johannes Schmoelling's Zoo of Tranquillity and White Out on CD for trade. I would like to trade these for Tangerine Dream's The Man Inside and the limited edition release of The Keep respectively. Anyone interested? Brian ----------------------------------- Disclaimer This transmission may contain information which is confidential and privileged and intended only for the addressee. If you are not the addressee you may not use, disseminate or copy this information. If you have received this information in error please notify us immediately. Thank you. ------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 5:39 am Subject: WHO IS THE A**HOLE ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Alright Gang, WHO THE FUCK PUT MY LAST POST IN THE TD GUESTBOOK? YOU KNOW THE ONE ABOUT EDDIE AND JERRY HAVING SOME BAD HABIT. I DO NOT APRECIATE THIS AT ALL!!!!!!! MAYBE IF I HAD BEEN ASKED FIRST IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. THE HIGHLANDER From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 2:33 am Subject: A Free Gift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John@3... Although most of us are too uncomfortable to think about it, the truth is that one day we all will stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Many will find favor in Jesus' eyes and will be given the precious gift of everlasting life, but the sad truth is that most will not. The question then is: If you died tonight, where would you spend eternity? Most people when asked this, reply with something like: 'I've led a pretty good life and believe that God will see this and allow me into Heaven.' Unfortunately, the Bible tells us that we can not earn our way into Heaven. Entrance into Heaven is not based on what we have done, but on what God has done for us through his son Jesus Christ. The Bible tells us in John 3:36 that, 'He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.' Everlasting life is a free gift to us from God; All we have to do is accept it. God loves you and want's you to be with him. Will you accept His gift? Please pray this: 'Dear Lord, I am a sinner. Please forgive me of my sins. I thank you for loving me so much that you sent your only begotten Son to die for me. I accept your gift and ask you into my heart. In Jesus' precious name I pray, Amen. If you prayed this prayer, then rejoice because John 1:12 says that you are now a child of God! There are many more gifts that God gives to his children. For more information on these gifts, please contact your local Full Gospel, Holy Spirit filled church. God bless, His servant Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14523 Re: A Free Gift Plumer, Scott Thu 6/11/1998 2 KB 14527 Re: A Free Gift Dave Lane Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB 14535 Re: A Free Gift Brian Frick Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 7:16 am Subject: TA II (was Re: Prices for single TD items are HIGH as well!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Note: I bought Tangerine Ambience 2 and the disc >was defective! So I returned it and got another copy.. >and it was defective in the same way again! This >broke my heart.. ;o( and the parts that worked were >awesome. But I can order this one so it's no biggie. My copy of TA II is the only CD I own that my computer CD player doesn't like. My hi-fi and work computer likes it, but for some reason the home PC doesn't. Maybe mine is defective too. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 8:22 am Subject: Re: Live Miles Synths ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Wouter Bessels Hi Tadreamers, >Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' > >Well, I don't have the LP either, but from what I remember: >Edgar has a Roland Jupiter-8 with a Programmers module on it. In the rack >behind him is a bunch of E-Mu, Roland and Yamaha (not real sure about the >last one) modules. >Chris is seated in front of his big modular Moog, playing an Emulator I or >II. >Forgot what Paul is at, but his rig was mostly Roland and I think that there >is a Yamaha electric piano in there somewhere. Paul Haslinger has a Yamaha DX7 in front of him (one of the first FM digital synthesizers) and on his right side is a......dunno !! Chris Franke _only_ has one synth in front of him......it's the same one that Tony Banks from Genesis has used in the eigthties.....could be an emulator. The big rack of modules is behind Chris. Edgar has a Jupiter 8 and the Atari Cubase system. Hope this helps a lot ! Cheers, Wouter np. The Nightcrawlers - Travelling Backwards Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14580 Re: Live Miles Synths Flemming Larsen Sat 6/13/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 8:51 am Subject: It's official: 1000 dice were made! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft Hi gang, just wanted to let you know I received a friendly email from Martha Brimberg at the TDI sales office. She told me that the total number of 'Dream Dice' is 1000, and the first 300 are signed. Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 8:57 am Subject: Re: SNAFU? Here's another one or two ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles-Spittle > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Are these all military in origin? I'm just surprised nobody brought up > the old programmer's standby--FUBAR (F*cked up beyond all recognition). > > Gabe Thought that was another military one.. Colin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 9:18 am Subject: Re: Delayed Reaction to DREAM DICE Bruhaha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft >The easiest way to ascertain whether or not the bonus 3-track CD >was an afterthought or not is to see if it fits in the box or not. My >guess is not. What if it comes in a thin cardboard sleeve like some CD-singles do and will thus fit very nicely without anyone noticing it was added later? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 10:32 am Subject: Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Francisco, did Spain ever made it into a championship (over 21) cup final ? I don't mind if your team win, but guess Brasil or French will be the champion. * I hope this year England, Holland or Argentina wins the final. Especially England. Hopefully not Italy, just don't like their minimalistic style. * Same opinion, and this evening I will support Chile! Jens (who played soccer in the Los Latinos club de football of Hannover, with guys from Argentina, Bolivia, Equador, Iran, Peru and Uruguay) * So a league of Germans, S. Americans and Asians? Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14524 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Thu 6/11/1998 4 KB 14530 Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 Marcel Engels Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 11:47 am Subject: steven f knows what he likes? (not!!!!!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers sorry for the continuing tangential comments about related emusic (at least it's not soccer ;-) but someone just tweaked my knobs a little too far... >Really-From: Vincent Goudreault >Thnaks for the reminder, Lars, but you should know that most shops >I went to never even heard of Radio Massacre International. >Quite simply, if I can make a suggestion, if you are to bring up >some recommendations, perhaps you should also indicate how one >may get a hold of the good stuff (e-mail address, store names, etc.) -- I just got them from Groove Unlimited; it actually ended up being cheaper for me to get them as importants than to get them from a supplier in the us. I think cdnow has them but for something like $50. Eurock has them but Archie's shipping costs made it cheaper for me to go to Groove. ** then STEVEN F 'replies' to this thread: >>I recently got Frozen North & Republic and they're awesome. Thanks >>Roger for the sampler tape!!! Hey even Steven F. liked them so they >>can't be all bad! > Errrr... I *like* FROZEN NORTH, but I am not crazy about it. The >synth settings are very limited, and the music is not very dynamic, >aurally. [...] > Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but I calls 'em like I sees >'em. sorry to have [mis-?]QUOTED YOU mr. feldman (NOT!!), I guess I was talking to someone else when YOU said how much YOU liked the RMI frozen north tape that I lent YOU (and which you still have)... (read on for more on this saga) [...a few messages later in the digest Mr. F spews again...] >My complaint >about FROZEN NORTH is that there isn't anything new there. Even Mark >Shreeve's Redshift albums have something new in them, but FROZEN NORTH >sounds more like a regurgitation rather than a progression. -- gee folks, sounds like I've been busted in an out-an-out lie, doesn't it? sounds like steve would never be caught dead owning a copy or frozen north, doesn't it? I'm mean, why waste money on 'a regurgitation'? Well, it's funny that steven doesn't seem to like frozen north because he asked me to order him a copy of frozen north the same time I ordered my own copy from groove unlimited!!!! He even paid me for it! and I did this as a favor to him (when will I ever learn?!!) -- quoting from private email between steven and I (I wouldn't do this normally but since he's called my integrity into direct question...) (the prices are/were groove's prices for this stuff) >From: Steven Feldman >Subject: Salving the Ol' Pooper >To: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@C...> >In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:21:10 -0400 >On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:21:10 -0400 you said: >>EF Macula transfer $22.49 >>RMI Frozen North 2cd $24.99 >>s+H $5.40 >>total: 52.88 > As they said in my high school, 'Ow, my aching root!' :( ;) > -- Steven Feldman --- steven subsequently wrote me a check for the items and he will receive them tomorrow. -- so who's the paranoid schizophrenic here? (answer: not I ;-) Steven, I hope your pooper's achin' because it ought to be after this!! (time to take your medicine! ;-) lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 1:11 pm Subject: RE: A Free Gift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Everlasting life is a free gift to us from God; All we have to do >is accept it. God loves you and want's you to be with him. Will >you accept His gift? No. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 1:16 pm Subject: Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' >* I hope this year England, Holland or Argentina wins the final. Especially >England. > NOOOOOoooooooooo! I wasn't born in 1966, but 32 years later and they're still talking about the one and only occassion England actually won a tournament. With the media being run from England, I think the Sctots, Welsh and Northern Irish get fed up with the same reminiscing every four years (oe every two years, if you include the European Championship). >>[Jens said] >>Hopefully not Italy, just don't like their minimalistic style. >* Same opinion, and this evening I will support Chile! Italy are my outside tip for the cup. I quite like their style. >>Jens >>(who played soccer in the Los Latinos club de football of Hannover, >>with guys from Argentina, Bolivia, Equador, Iran, Peru and Uruguay) > >* So a league of Germans, S. Americans and Asians? > >Jeffrey Craig - who can't play football to save his life, so could probably get a game for Scotland. 8-) BTW, now I see why Tom Boyd's only scored one goal for Scorland in some 40-or-so internationals : he doesn't even know which goal to aim for. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 1:36 pm Subject: Flashpoint (Heavy Metal Version) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mitchell Dvoskin Hi, /Lurk Mode OFF While I have often heard that bad ink is the cause of the defective Heavy Metal Flashpoint CD's, this can not be the whole cause. Both me and a friend of mine purchased our copies within days of the initial release, both have the black background with 'no ink' silver lettering. Mines still plays fine, his self destructed years ago. The CD was re-issued by One Way Records of Albany NY USA several years ago (http://www.aent.com/oneway/index.html), and is still listed on their web page. It is identical in music to the heavy metal version, just different packaging. /Lurk Mode ON Mitchell mbd@n... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 1:52 pm Subject: Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vincent Goudreault tadream mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > >Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' > > >* I hope this year England, Holland or Argentina wins the final. Especially > >England. > > > > NOOOOOoooooooooo! (...) Unsubscribe *off-topic* world cup 98 Subscribe tadream C.B. Vincent Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 1:53 pm Subject: Re: A Free Gift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dave Lane' Some anonymous yo-yo calling himself John@3... wroteth: > [a bunch of mumbo-jumbo about the big ol' imaginary guy in the clouds who'll toast your ass for all eternity if you don't believe in him because he really, really loves ya deleted] Didn't you knoweth that spamming is a SIN? It's even worse when doneth anonymously, because the cloud-guy can seeeth that you're a big coward. --Dave From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 2:58 pm Subject: Poppins' Cup... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:58:18 -0700 > Subject: 'Sad Merlin's Sunday' > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > I think this track kicks butt, even though it's been > hacked down quite a bit. I actually listen to it more > than once at a time... and it does 'go somewhere' > It has a buildup and a climax that many 90ies TD > songs lack. > > Greg H. The 'going somewhere' bit applies to the whole album. It may not be going anywhere in particular (as in having a definite beginning middle, and end), but that can be said for most of the celebrated Td tracks. They just go into one direction, change pace and direction, come back, and take a different path...it is complex and varied without being all over the place. This blend of playfulness and purpose, I find, is present on Goblins Club, but not on a lot of the other Seattle stuff. By the way, GC was by no means my first TD album, so that argument doesn't count... Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14537 Re: Poppins' Cup... Greg Heil Thu 6/11/1998 4 KB 14559 Re: Poppins' Cup... Aured Azhallein Rancuel Fri 6/12/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 4:58 pm Subject: Re: WHO IS THE A**HOLE ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Jenkins Really-From: Robert Grabowsky Alright Gang, WHO THE FUCK PUT MY LAST POST IN THE TD GUESTBOOK? YOU KNOW THE ONE ABOUT EDDIE AND JERRY HAVING SOME BAD HABIT. I DO NOT APRECIATE THIS AT ALL!!!!!!! MAYBE IF I HAD BEEN ASKED FIRST IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. THE HIGHLANDER I saw that this had been posted as I idly visited the site whilst at work. I was pretty surprised to have seen it there and thought that Robert had cross posted. I don't expect anyone to own up to this act - perhaps an anonymous apology in the guestbook might get posted - BIG HINT to the a**hole. Steve nw Italy vs Chile Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14536 Re: WHO IS THE A**HOLE ? Sean Montgomery Thu 6/11/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 5:46 pm Subject: RE: Off-topic: World Cup 98 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' > > * I hope this year England, Holland or Argentina wins the final. > Especially > England. I don't know why you are questioning this. Holland will win the finals :-) But seriously, they are in a very very good shape. They won all matches in the fore-rounds(?). With guys like Kluivert, Bergkamp etc we just can't loose (I hope) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 5:43 pm Subject: Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' [me] >(who played soccer in the Los Latinos club de football of Hannover, >with guys from Argentina, Bolivia, Equador, Iran, Peru and Uruguay) > >* So a league of Germans, S. Americans and Asians? No, a team of people born in the mentioned countries, living in Germany then, coached by 'Bomber Jackson', a former striker in Peru's 2nd division. Sorry to those who thought this might have any td content, no not at all. ;-) Back to the synth (no soccer for me ;-)) and see you. Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 5:52 pm Subject: Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-06-10 19:13:02 EDT, you write: << Did you notice there would be a match between the US and Iran on June 22? Looks like a mini war between 2 countries...you know what football hooligans usually do... >> naaa...this is sports...too important for war... tom w np: holger czukay - movies From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 5:57 pm Subject: Re: Off-topic: World Cup 98 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-06-10 20:28:56 EDT, you write: << Hopefully not Italy, just don't like their minimalistic style. >> just shut the tube after italy:chile...great game...id call italy anything but minimalistic...most emotion ive seen from them in years...if u equate minimal with clinical, have you seen the dutch? like kraftwerk with a ball... tom w sp: czukay - movies From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 6:01 pm Subject: DREAM DICE BOX SET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: RBrown4856@a... I have seen where some did not want to spend the cash for the DD box set but have hard earned cash for the Klaus Schulze 'filler'material.As a matter of fact all his stuff sounds like 'filler'material or Edgar just learning how to play a synthesizer.The people that bought the KS stuff must be the same ones running 'Beyond The Horizon' The Klaus Schulze worship magazine. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14541 Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET Brian E. Kirby Fri 6/12/1998 2 KB 14556 Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET Dan J. Schulte Fri 6/12/1998 3 KB 14560 Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET Francisco Salgado C. Fri 6/12/1998 4 KB 14581 Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET Marcel Engels Sat 6/13/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 6:14 pm Subject: Re: A Free Gift ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Brian Frick tadream mailing list wrote: > >Everlasting life is a free gift to us from God; All we have to > do > >is accept it. God loves you and want's you to be with him. > Will > >you accept His gift? > No. > > Scott *lol* That made my day :-) -- Brian Frick frickblj@w... http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 6:19 pm Subject: Re: WHO IS THE A**HOLE ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Really-From: Robert Grabowsky > > Alright Gang, > WHO THE FUCK PUT MY LAST POST IN THE TD GUESTBOOK? Not surprisingly, this posting has been deleted from the guestbook. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 6:25 pm Subject: Re: Poppins' Cup... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' >Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:58:18 -0700 >> Subject: 'Sad Merlin's Sunday' >> >> Really-From: 'Greg Heil' >> >> I think this track kicks butt, even though it's been >> hacked down quite a bit. I actually listen to it more >> than once at a time... and it does 'go somewhere' >> It has a buildup and a climax that many 90ies TD >> songs lack. >> >> Greg H. > >The 'going somewhere' bit applies to the whole album. It >may not be going anywhere in particular (as in having a >definite beginning middle, and end), but that can be said >for most of the celebrated Td tracks. They just go into one >direction, change pace and direction, come back, and take a >different path...it is complex and varied without being all >over the place. This blend of playfulness and purpose, I >find, is present on Goblins Club, but not on a lot of the >other Seattle stuff. > >By the way, GC was by no means my first TD album, so that >argument doesn't count... > >Dennis > I miss the more thought out albums or earlier years--something that most 90ies albums lack. TD had the ability to combine and sequence tracks worthy of names like 'Phaedra', 'Rubycon', 'Tangram', ect. Now, a TD album has a collection of non-related tracks, with related names. The only thing not allowing the who album to fall apart is the use of common instruments/sounds on all the tracks. I had the same problem with 'Le Parc.' Without a name or titles, it's just a generic collection of unrelated tracks. Here's where I'll get flamed: The older, longer tracks--like 'Force Majeure', 'Tangram', 'Mohave Plan', were collections of uncommon elements connected together into a lengthy track--you can hear this through the transitions--they call them 'movements.' It's really cool to hear these transitions, but they are just short songs/ambiences connected together. Baumann era material is more sound in terms of keeping a common theme throughout the long tracks. I like both eras of music, but the Baumann era material has always seemed to be more 'grande' Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 4:11 am Subject: Re: RMI and Node: BFD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: dan.cor@v... Hi, Anyone wanting some great sequencing should try Republic, the central section of the track 'raw cane approach' has the best sequencer run I have ever heard (perhaps with the exception of sections from the Paris/Brussels TD live tapes). Their first two CD-Rs also contain some fine sequencing. Whilst Node also deliver the goods, they were not as consistent as rmi, IMHO. Saying that, their live track on the EMMA I and II CD is excellent, and Slapback from the node album is spine tingling. These groups, and Redshift, do hark back to the mid-70's sound of TD which many of us here miss greatly. Although their work is therefore not 'new' or 'original' some of their albums are still worthy of being up there with the great early TD masterpieces. np: rmi republic.......if only the boys still made 'em like this :-( (Yes, I know that I am opening myself up for a flame for harkening back to the old days, em must look forwards etc etc, but - as someone here says - 'I may be old but I know what I like.' Cheers, Daniel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 2:51 am Subject: garth brooks box set ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> I just saw on tv that garth brooks is putting out a 6 cd box set for $27.95 at kmart.... at that rate we could have a dream dice set with about 66 cds! now wouldn't that be kool? :-) (NO, I'm not!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14551 Re: garth brooks box set Plumer, Scott Fri 6/12/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 3:25 am Subject: Service ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: info@p... Call me when you get a change 1-800-515-1689 Lance. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 12:29 am Subject: Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby' >The people that bought the KS stuff must be the same ones running >'Beyond The Horizon' The Klaus Schulze worship magazine. Hey, no one told me Edgar had subbed to the list. -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 11, 1998 12:50 pm Subject: Klaus in the US ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Klaus Beschorner Hi everybody, I will be in the USA for the next two weeks, so if anyone feels compelled to pay me a beer in exchange for some old TD fan stories, let me know ;-) Santa Clara, CA June 13-20 (Marriott Hotel) Phoenix, AZ June 21-24 (Tempe Holiday Inn) klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14545 Re: Klaus in the US Wall - to - Wall Fri 6/12/1998 2 KB 14546 Re: Klaus in the US Hilmar Kraft Fri 6/12/1998 2 KB 14555 Re: Klaus in the US Sean Montgomery Fri 6/12/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 7:59 am Subject: Re: Livemiles Synths ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: GG > >Well, I don't have the LP either, but from what I remember: > >Edgar has a Roland Jupiter-8 with a Programmers module on it. No, that is Roland's Super JX (JX10P - I used it so much...). Jupiter 8 never had dedicated programmer module. > >Chris is seated in front of his big modular Moog, playing an Emulator I or > >II. II, exactly. GG From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 8:38 am Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: James Williams unsubscribe tadream james.williams@g... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14548 James Williams Fri 6/12/1998 2 KB 14626 Stephen Yensen Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB 14721 Stephen Yensen Wed 6/17/1998 4 KB 14836 noexit@m... Sun 6/21/1998 2 KB 14854 Alf van Beem Mon 6/22/1998 2 KB 14882 Re: Michael Schuelke Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 14888 Re: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui? Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 14889 Re: Sean Montgomery Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 15126 John BLAZZER891 Mon 6/29/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 8:53 am Subject: Re: Klaus in the US ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Wall - to - Wall' > Hi everybody, > > I will be in the USA for the next two weeks, so if anyone > feels compelled to pay me a beer in exchange for some old > TD fan stories, let me know ;-) how far back do the tales go pal? Groover From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 9:13 am Subject: Re: Klaus in the US ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft Hey, when I saw the header of this message, I first thought: This must mean that Mr. Schulze changed his mind and is finally touring the USA !?!?! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14555 Re: Klaus in the US Sean Montgomery Fri 6/12/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 8:36 am Subject: Artemiy Artemiev : Point of Intersection ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Those TD completists and fanatics (aren't we all?) may be interested to know that the above album makes extensive use of samples (if not whole sections) from Atem and Wahn. To date, I have only heard three of the five tracks on the album but the third (some 21 minutes long) makes some very blatent uses of the spacy effects from Atem and the vocal shouts of Wahn. Just thought you might be interested. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 11:02 am Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: James Williams unsubscribe tadream james.williams@g... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 11:55 am Subject: PLEASE take world cup posts OFF-LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> Dreamers Please please please (I'm trying to be nice) take the world-cup stuff OFF-list. I'm sorry that I'm a TD fan and NOT a soccer fan (nor of organized sports period) but I'd rather not have to wade through a half-a-digest filled with world cup posts. I realize the world cup is a big deal for many of you but I'd like to be able to tune it out -- but that's not so easy on the digest. PLEASE?! lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14553 Re: PLEASE take world cup posts OFF-LIST Lars R. Jones Fri 6/12/1998 3 KB 14557 Re: PLEASE take world cup posts OFF-LIST Dan J. Schulte Fri 6/12/1998 3 KB 14558 Re: PLEASE take world cup posts OFF-LIST TWeibre361@a... Fri 6/12/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 12:34 pm Subject: Three different subjects... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' RE: FUBAR 'FUBAR' was used to indicate that something was so totally wrecked that it could not be repaired (the original term was 'F'd Up Beyond All Repair' as in 'Damn!! Captain Kirk really fubar'd that T-6 when he flew it into the side of that mountain!!' RE: LIVE MILES Thanks for the Haslinger gear update. (anyone here remember the days when we used to call him 'Hash-slinger'? Dontcha wish he was still with 'em now?? :-) ) I know for sure that Chris is sitting behind an Emulator keyboard, as I have a contemporary photo (somewhere) of a from-the-audience shot that clearly shows the word EMULATOR emblazoned across the keyboard. I think you can also see the floppy disk pocket in the cover photo. Not too many other synths had that li'l extra... RE: HEAVY METAL FLASHPOINT CD The ink WAS the culprit, as I got that info directly from Heavy Metal themselves. For some unbeknownst reason, some of the initial pressings did not succumb to the caustic ink and remained playable. Maybe there was a change during the production run? NP: Lambert & Palantir / Finis Terra ========================================= Craig A. Shipley craigs@s... Siemens-Nixdorf ITSN 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (770) 242-9374 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ========================================= From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 1:24 pm Subject: RE: garth brooks box set ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >I just saw on tv that garth brooks is putting out a 6 cd box set for $27.95 >at kmart.... at that rate we could have a dream dice set with about 66 cds! > now wouldn't that be kool? Nice price, but STILL too much. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 1:48 pm Subject: OFF TOPIC: SYNTHS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'jowers' I am selling/trading 3 pieces of equipment in my collection. If you are interested in getting more information on these synths, please mail me OFF-LIST! Do not mail to the list. Thanks, Kevin ps- Thanks to all who answered my Livemiles synths question!!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 1:42 pm Subject: Re: PLEASE take world cup posts OFF-LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Dreamers >Please please please (I'm trying to be nice) take the world-cup stuff >OFF-list. Good idea, Lars. :-) >I realize the world cup is a big deal for many of you but I'd like to be >able to tune it out -- but that's not so easy on the digest. Yeah, you're right. I'll take a world cup break *read* you later this year. unsubscribe tadream subscribe soccer world cup ;-) Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 1:52 pm Subject: Go BULLS!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean Well....with all the World Cup business I didn't think anyone would mind! MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 3:15 pm Subject: Re: Klaus in the US ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Really-From: Hilmar Kraft > > > Hey, when I saw the header of this message, I first thought: This must mean > that Mr. Schulze changed his mind and is finally touring the USA !?!?! Damn, you're too fast for me, Hilmar...that's the first thing that *I* thought, too! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 4:33 pm Subject: Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby' > > >The people that bought the KS stuff must be the same ones running > >'Beyond The Horizon' The Klaus Schulze worship magazine. > > Hey, no one told me Edgar had subbed to the list. > > -B. Kirby Actually, BTH started out valiantly but what can you do when the very band you commercialize turns against you for egotistical reasons? You can either expand the mag or stop it completely. They chose to expand it. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 5:04 pm Subject: Re: PLEASE take world cup posts OFF-LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > Dreamers > Please please please (I'm trying to be nice) take the world-cup stuff > OFF-list. > > I'm sorry that I'm a TD fan and NOT a soccer fan (nor of organized sports > period) but I'd rather not have to wade through a half-a-digest filled with > world cup posts. > > I realize the world cup is a big deal for many of you but I'd like to be > able to tune it out -- but that's not so easy on the digest. > > PLEASE?! > > lars I agree! Soccer can suck 10 dicks! Some of us just don't care. Go to a athletic supporter list if you wanna blab about that. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 6:05 pm Subject: Re: PLEASE take world cup posts OFF-LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-06-12 13:04:39 EDT, you write: << I agree! Soccer can suck 10 dicks! Some of us just don't care. Go to a athletic supporter list if you wanna blab about that. >> come on you guys...lighten up...it only happens once every four years for christsakes...there are always posts on this list that 'suck' and most of us are pretty indulgent about it... tom w ymo - technodon remixes II From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 5:32 am Subject: Re: Poppins' Cup... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Aured Azhallein Rancuel >Here's where I'll get flamed: >The older, longer tracks--like 'Force Majeure', 'Tangram', >'Mohave Plan', were collections of uncommon elements >connected together into a lengthy track--you can hear this >through the transitions--they call them 'movements.' >It's really cool to hear these transitions, but they are just short >songs/ambiences connected together. >Baumann era material is more sound in terms of keeping >a common theme throughout the long tracks. >I like both eras of music, but the Baumann era material has >always seemed to be more 'grande' Great description of the differences, I'll agree to all but the idea that the later albums would 'fall apart' so to speak without the names/being on the same album. With some this is true (IMO) (ToB, Rockoon), but I find that TotT and GC really hold together well, this probably stems from the fact that I was fan of David Arkenstone and more 'new-agey' artists before I discovered TD but the storyline aspect and the progression of disimilar themes is a style that I quite enjoy. >Greg H. -Scott np: Brussels '76 (wonderful sequences...) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 7:25 pm Subject: Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: RBrown4856@a... > > I have seen where some did not want to spend the cash for the DD box set but > have hard earned cash for the Klaus Schulze 'filler'material.As a matter of > fact all his stuff sounds like 'filler'material or Edgar just learning how to > play a synthesizer.The people that bought the KS stuff must be the same ones > running 'Beyond The Horizon' The Klaus Schulze worship magazine. The someone who said that is ME. Yes I've bought HE, SE and JE by Schulze. And No I won't buy TD dice box. Wy? Because I have almost half of that box already. I'll buy the unreleased stuff for sure. Bu I have too much garbage in my house to have more boxes dices and whatever. I said I seek TD's music. That is my right. 'Filler' is your( not so humble) opinion. Not everything is good stuff in KS special editions but at least he released honest, live and non live, UNRELEASED material for his fans with excellent sound and many good sequences. I don't know wy TD doesn't do that. Every hard core fan ( ANd I'm one) are asking for that kind of release. Instead what TD is publishing on and on is already released stuff all of us have twice ot three times because of that extra track ot because that new cover or because of that new master ( I have 2 Green Desert, 2 Zeit, 3 Ricochet versions, 3 Cyclone, 3 Force majeure , 2 Exit, 2 Tangram, 2 logos, 2 Live miles, 2 Pergamon, 2 Le Parc 2 Dream mixes and lots of compilations. I think that's enough sponsoring so i refuse to pay 300 dollars for 4-5 CD's of new stuff. that's it. Present me 25 or 50 CD's of live ( and non live) historic material( officially released with professional quality) and i'll be the 1st one to pay 500 or 1000 dollars for it. ---francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14581 Re: DREAM DICE BOX SET Marcel Engels Sat 6/13/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 10:42 pm Subject: OFF TOPIC: Tangerine Dream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Peter Ravn Sorry, but I have a off topic question: Is there somebody that have received the Dream Dice collection and can give all the info we want? This list is a multi discussion list of all topics in this world -sorry to interrupt you with a Tangerine Dream question! It will never happen again. Best if you answer me OFF list!!! regards, Peter peterravn@u... ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14566 Re: OFF TOPIC: Tangerine Dream Jim & Sew Fong Jordan Sat 6/13/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 10:33 pm Subject: D:Live - Week 2 - w/c Sunday 14th June ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' There's lots to cover this week, so get cracking! This week we would like to hear comments on the following. I have used Lars' updated format with Tape Tree references for those so inclined. --------------------------------------------------------------- June 14 / Week 2: Miscellaneous 1974 Dates 4.9.74 London (BBC w/ John Peel) 'Mysterious Semblance...' (FM) [1.3B] 'Oedipus Tyrannos' (incorporates 3 dates) Official release: Track 'Overture' on 'V' (Virgin compilation, 1975) -- excerpt [1.3A] Boots: Festival (8.18.74 Au) Tapes: 8.18.74 Chichester (Festival Theatre) 31 min. (Au) 8.22.74 London (BBC Studios) 23 min. (FM) [2.2B] 8.29.74 London (BBC Studios) 24 min. (FM); digitally enhanced MC/DAT/CDR version exists also 10.13.74 Berlin (Nationalgalerie) 55 min. (FM) Part 1: 'Metamusik Festival' (36 min.); Part 2: 'Conversations' (19 min.) 12.13.74 Reims (Cathedral) 85 min (Au) Boots: Live! Improvised! (2CD) [2.3] Riems Cathedral (LP) Tapes: 65 min. (FM) Broadcast 27 min. (Au) (2nd source encores) 17 min. (FM) (Broadcast Interview & Encore) [2.2B] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Feldman Not Too Keen on RMI, Redshift, RICHOCET & World Cup ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:47:32 -0400 you said: Subject: Re: steven f knows what he likes? (not!!!!!) To: tadream mailing list >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > [Lars said:] >>>I recently got Frozen North & Republic and they're awesome. Thanks >>>Roger for the sampler tape!!! Hey even Steven F. liked them so they >>>can't be all bad! [Then *I* said:] >> Errrr... I *like* FROZEN NORTH, but I am not crazy about it. The >>synth settings are very limited, and the music is not very dynamic, >>aurally. [...] > >sorry to have [mis-?]QUOTED YOU mr. feldman (NOT!!), I guess I was >talking to someone else when YOU said how much YOU liked the RMI frozen >north tape that I lent YOU (and which you still have)... [. . .] Well, it goes something like this. I really liked FROZEN NORTH the first two times I played it, but wasn't sure I liked it enough to throw $25 at it, but you helped me convince myself that since it was a hard- to-get item and that $25 was probably the best deal I was going to get on it, so I opted for buying it. In anticipation of getting this 2-CD set, I played the 90-minute sampler tape you lent me quite a few times, and found that I was not so crazy about it, after all. To make matters worse . . . . Remember when I played parts of ETHER over the phone to you the minute my copy arrived in the mail, Lars? We both oo-ed and ah-ed at it, but after we hung up, I played the whole thing through from beginning to end and was not so thrilled. I felt weird that I didn't like it as much as the first Redshift album, so . . . the next day, I played REDSHIFT, and found that I wasn't so crazy about *that* anymore, either! :( Horrors, you say! Maybe so, but then, I don't get much of a charge out of RICOCHET, and haven't for about six years, now. WHITE EAGLE and RICOCHET used to be two of my fave TD LPs, but after playing RICOCHET about forty bazillion times, I know it too well, and it's hard for me to get past the simplicity of its melodies anymore: it sounds too straigthforward and obvious to me, now. Sorry. I love RUBYCON and EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE, but RICOCHET just doesn't do much for me, anymore. I like the quick keyboard run in the last ten minutes, but for that sort of thing, I'd rather listen to 'Madrigal Meridian' (CYCLONE) or 'Rough Embrace' (THE DREAM MIXES). Okay, time for another heretical statement: I don't like anything on TANGERINE AMBIENCE II as much as 'Bent Cold Sidwalk' from TANGERINE AMBIENCE (I). >[...a few messages later in the digest Mr. F spews again...] > >>My complaint >>about FROZEN NORTH is that there isn't anything new there. Even Mark >>Shreeve's Redshift albums have something new in them, but FROZEN NORTH >>sounds more like a regurgitation rather than a progression. > >-- gee folks, sounds like I've been busted in an out-an-out lie, doesn't >it? sounds like steve would never be caught dead owning a copy or >frozen north, doesn't it? I'm mean, why waste money on 'a >regurgitation'? Oh, brother. Here's another 'shocker': I consider OASIS to be a retread and a regurigation. It's a rather tasty bit of stomach acid, but that's about what it amounts to, to me. It may be some folks' only favored post-MELROSE album, but that's because it's the only time TD ever took a blatant, extended stylistic step back. I really love 'Cliff Dwellers' and 'Hopi Mesa Heart,' but that's because 'Cliff Dwellers' sounds more like a BEYOND THE STORM outtake than a TD recording, and 'Hopi Mesa Heart' sounds like *nothing* else TD's ever done. The rest of the album, though? A retread (and don't get me started on TOURNADO). >-- quoting from private email between steven and I (I wouldn't do this >normally but since he's called my integrity into direct question...) Jiminy Crickets! I did *not* call your integrity into question-- even for a second--even for a joke! Sorry if you thought I did. >[. . .] -- so who's the paranoid schizophrenic here? [. . .] Me, me! It's me! [Reminds me of a joke wherein you ask someone, 'If you found a dollar in the woods, whose would it be? Yours, mine or a stranger's?' After the dollar, you ask about a five, then a ten, then a twenty, a fifty, and a hundred. The person listening to the joke will always say 'Mine' when asked about each bill. Then, you pull the rug out with the punchline question, 'If you found a dick in your mouth, whose would it be?' Being so used to saying 'Mine,' and subconsciously feeling guilty about appearing so greedy, the person will explode with 'Yours!' and only afterwards realize what s/he'd just said. Hee hee.] P.S.: I grew up playing soccer--peewee soccer, then junior soccer, and soccer from grade school to high school--but I hate watching sports on TV. I've been spending 2 1/2 hours a week at the gym three times a week for the past four years--working out with weights and sitting on an exercise bike for 40 minutes each time. I *still* don't give a rat's ass about team sports--much to the horror of the PT (Physical Therapy) majors at my school who are shocked when I tell them that I do not even enjoy lifting weights nor riding an exercise bike. Why do I do it? So I can hover around 180 lbs. instead of the 265 I weighed four years ago before I was told I was heading towards adult-onset diabetes. To *my* mind, watching sports on TV as compared to *playing* team sports is like the difference between watching porno and f**king your girlfriend. I'd rather jerk off . . . or play 'Desert Train.' ;) Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02146; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. SOME CURRENT E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Redshift, Nightcrawlers, R. Carty, Ozrics, Serrie +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | TD DISCOGRAPHY http://www.online.de/home/tdklaus/GENERAL/Pocketdg.txt | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14564 Re: Feldman Not Too Keen on RMI, Redshift, RICHOC Elias Granillo, Jr. Sat 6/13/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 1:09 am Subject: Re: Feldman Not Too Keen on RMI, Redshift, RICHOCET & World Cup ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > I'd rather jerk off . . . or play 'Desert Train.' ;) Horrors! With a song like that, I'd definitely opt for the former versus the latter ;-) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: KEEP LD w/ Commentary Track??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, Since no one here's offered to help in procuring a tape of the commentary track from the version of the KEEP laserdisk that comes with a commentary track, I first contacted F. Paul Wilson (author of the book THE KEEP) and Doug Winter (VIDEO WATCHDOG's soundtrack specialist), but although they have KEEP laserdisks from 1993, they don't know anything about a commentary track. Then, I tried to search for laserdisks on the web. That took a loooooong time. Even Yahoo didn't help as much as I thought it would. So, could *somebody* kindly at least tell me the catalogue number for the version of THE KEEP laserdisk that has a commentary track? Info like year of release, issuing company, catalog number, etc. -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | | 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14634 Re: KEEP LD w/ Commentary Track??? Plumer, Scott Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB 14730 Re: KEEP LD w/ Commentary Track??? Flemming Larsen Wed 6/17/1998 4 KB 14732 Sorcerer OST Rainer Rutka Wed 6/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 1:56 am Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Tangerine Dream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' I ordered Dream Dice within the first hour of its posting on Saturday and have received confirmation of order. They have indicated shipping dates starting on June 18, subject to receipt of payment. So, I doubt if anyone has it yet... ----Original Message Follows---- Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:42:08 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Sender: tadream@c... Sorry, but I have a off topic question: Is there somebody that have received the Dream Dice collection and can give all the info we want? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 1:59 am Subject: Re: Dream Dice TRUTH! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 98-06-11 00:40:30 EDT, you write: Greg Heil << and at some point.. a product will come along and break our backs and infuriate us away from TD. >> No, never. I may not be able to buy this thing or even many others that are offered, but I will never turn away completely from this group and the music they have already given me. They have walked with me down too many paths for me to turn away from them now. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Feldman and 'Desert Train' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:09:54 -0700 >Subject: Re: Feldman Not Too Keen on RMI, Redshift, RICHOCET ... >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Elias Granillo, Jr. > >> Really-From: Steven Feldman >> >> I'd rather jerk off . . . or play 'Desert Train.' ;) > >Horrors! With a song like that, I'd definitely opt for the former versus >the latter ;-) Well, see, here's the deal: 'Desert Train' is one of my fave songs, but Lars teases me about it's being lame all the time. -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14569 Re: Feldman and 'Desert Train' Elias Granillo, Jr. Sat 6/13/1998 3 KB 14585 Re: Feldman and 'Desert Train' TangerineC@a... Sat 6/13/1998 2 KB 14636 Re: Feldman and 'Desert Train' Plumer, Scott Mon 6/15/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 2:13 am Subject: Re: Feldman and 'Desert Train' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >> I'd rather jerk off . . . or play 'Desert Train.' ;) > > > >Horrors! With a song like that, I'd definitely opt for the former versus > >the latter ;-) > > Well, see, here's the deal: 'Desert Train' is one of my fave songs, > but Lars teases me about it's being lame all the time. It's not lame. It's very nice. Very nice NEW AGE, that is. That's *my* problem with it. _Melrose_ isn't an album I look upon fondly, either. Then again, people wig out because I like _Cyclone_. :-) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 4:05 am Subject: MAIL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: intacomm@u... INTACOMM UK ARE BULK MAIL SPECIALISTS WE CAN BULK FOR YOU WE CAN SELL YOU HUGE UP TO DATE EMAIL LISTS WE CAN BUILD WEB SITES FOR YOU WHATEVER YOU NEED WE HAVE AT A VERY GOOD PRICE!!!!! SALES AND ADVICE CALL; UK + 7021 122321..........................ie... 01144 7021 122321 TO REMOVE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS; UK+ 7021 155123..........................ie...01144 7021 155123 IF YOU RESIDE IN THE UK OR EUROPE CALL SALES 07021 122321 REMOVE 07021 155123 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 4:55 am Subject: Way to go JAZZ!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) We showed em' in Chicago! Should have had TD music playing in the background. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14573 Re: Way to go JAZZ!!! Elias Granillo, Jr. Sat 6/13/1998 2 KB 14642 Re: Way to go JAZZ!!! Florine Epure Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB 14680 Re: Way to go JAZZ!!! matt knudson Tue 6/16/1998 3 KB 14681 Re: Way to go JAZZ!!! Greg Heil Tue 6/16/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 5:31 am Subject: Professional TD Shopper ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Last week I went to Santa Barbara with my fiancee for business. After work I cruised the various 10 or so stores with her browsing for TD and related items. This became a routine and she adjusted very well. After three days of this she told me that she had a dream. In the dream someone asked her what she did for a living, and she responded that her job was buying TD records. After this dream we (I) decided to immediately set the wedding date. Guess why? ;-) BTW, some cool TD items were found in this hip California costal town. Anybody need an original Ohr 'Electronic Mediation' LP? How about a 'Catch Me if You Can' CD? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14574 Re: Professional TD Shopper Dan J. Schulte Sat 6/13/1998 3 KB 14582 Re: Professional TD Shopper Marcel Engels Sat 6/13/1998 3 KB 14593 Re: Professional TD Shopper Vic Rek Sun 6/14/1998 3 KB 14661 Re: Professional TD Shopper Marcel Engels Mon 6/15/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 5:31 am Subject: Re: Way to go JAZZ!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) > > We showed em' in Chicago! > Should have had TD music playing in the background. 'Journey Through A Burning Brain' ;-) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 6:26 am Subject: Re: Professional TD Shopper ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Vic Rek > > Last week I went to Santa Barbara with my fiancee for business. After work I > cruised the various 10 or so stores with her browsing for TD and related > items. This became a routine and she adjusted very well. After three days > of this she told me that she had a dream. In the dream someone asked her > what she did for a living, and she responded that her job was buying TD > records. After this dream we (I) decided to immediately set the wedding > date. Guess why? ;-) Ummm...because after you buy the Dream Dice Box you won't be able to afford a wedding? Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 7:56 am Subject: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Schuelke Hi all, I think it could be interesting from which towns (countrys) all the list members are?? If anybody want's send it to me and I'll make a list.... So far, I'm from COLOGNE (GERMANY) greetings to all Michael -- _______________________________ EVERY MAN DIES, NOT EVERY MAN REALLY LIVES. _______________________________ Michael Schülke braveheart@a... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14576 Re: Cities ??? TangerineC@a... Sat 6/13/1998 2 KB 14583 Re: Cities ??? Marcel Engels Sat 6/13/1998 3 KB 14577 Re: Cities ??? SRiser3600@a... Sat 6/13/1998 2 KB 14578 Re: Cities ??? Michael Schuelke Sat 6/13/1998 3 KB 14586 Re: Cities ??? JMPoer Sat 6/13/1998 3 KB 14587 Re: Cities ??? =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n Sat 6/13/1998 2 KB 14594 Re: Cities ??? RBrown4856@a... Sun 6/14/1998 2 KB 14596 Re: Cities ??? Francisco Salgado C. Sun 6/14/1998 3 KB 14611 Re: Cities ??? Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 6/14/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 10:01 am Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... I'm from Bronx, New York. Tom In a message dated 98-06-13 04:07:52 EDT, you write: << Hi all, I think it could be interesting from which towns (countrys) all the list members are?? If anybody want's send it to me and I'll make a list.... So far, I'm from COLOGNE (GERMANY) greetings to all Michael >> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14583 Re: Cities ??? Marcel Engels Sat 6/13/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 11:39 am Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: SRiser3600@a... Ok sounds interesting, I'm from Atlanta ,GA 1st heard tdream while living in Shreveport, LA Stigo From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 12:43 pm Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' ----Original Message Follows---- Really-From: Michael Schuelke Hi all, I think it could be interesting from which towns (countrys) all the list members are?? If anybody want's send it to me and I'll make a list.... So far, I'm from COLOGNE (GERMANY) greetings to all Michael ---------------------------------- Iselin, New Jersey, USA (for the past six years) Brooklyn, New York, USA (for the first 38) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 1:47 pm Subject: cities I'm from Stockholm (Sweden), and new to this list. /Pål Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14584 Re: cities James Horecka, AIA Sat 6/13/1998 4 KB 14591 Re: cities Michael Schuelke Sun 6/14/1998 4 KB 14597 Re: cities Armin Theissen Sun 6/14/1998 3 KB 14600 Re: cities Tom Resident Sun 6/14/1998 3 KB 14610 Re: cities Gilles Nadeau Sun 6/14/1998 3 KB 14657 Re: cities Michael Fox Mon 6/15/1998 2 KB 14632 Re: cities Neal McAuley Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB 14650 cities marc todd Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB 14653 Re: cities Roger Smith Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Re: Live Miles Synths ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Flemming Larsen Wouter Bessels wrote : >Edgar has a Jupiter 8 and the Atari Cubase system. Sorry to correct you, but Edgar does not have a Jupiter 8 on stage. Edgar is facing : (Below) a Roland D50 (OnTop) a Roland JX10 + PG-800 programmer To Edgar's Right : (Below) probably a motherkeyboard with 7 octaves. Impossible to see what it is, except the 7 octaves + 3 bass keys. (OnTop) are two units. (Left) a drum machine, sequencer or programmer. (Right) a Yamaha DX7 II. Chris Franke is facing (and playing) an Emu Emulator II. Paul Haslinger is facing (and playing) a Yamaha DX7 (II). It's impossible to see if it's a regular DX7 or a DX7 II, but my bet is a DX7 II. Why would they and old DX7 when DX7 II is better. Behind him is anybodys guess. My guess is a D50 or JX10. Flemming. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 2:09 pm Subject: RE: DREAM DICE BOX SET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > > Present me 25 or 50 CD's of live ( and non live) historic material( > officially released with professional quality) and i'll be the > 1st one to pay > 500 or 1000 dollars for it. Ah, yes. This was what I also wanted to say some time ago. Money really isn't the issue (at least for me). I don't mind paying over 500 dollars, BUT IT MUST BE UNRELEASED MATERIAL. And preferable older (live) material (but thats my own taste). I have absolutely no interest in buying that dice box, even if it was US$50,-. Sorry uncle Ed, but I think you will never learn. Schulze was quite succesfull in selling those boxes and I like them very much. It just seems Eds doing the exact opposite of what we want. (and it's his own right of course) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... (and while you're at it Ed, isn't there a nice 70s video laying around, crying to be released????!!! I'm even more interested in this then a box) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 2:09 pm Subject: RE: Professional TD Shopper ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Vic Rek > > Last week I went to Santa Barbara with my fiancee for business. > After work I > cruised the various 10 or so stores with her browsing for TD and related > items. This became a routine and she adjusted very well. After three days > of this she told me that she had a dream. In the dream someone asked her > what she did for a living, and she responded that her job was buying TD > records. After this dream we (I) decided to immediately set the wedding > date. Guess why? ;-) > Congratulations, Vic!! I guess I won't see you in Amsterdam anymore then...:-( Maybe one day I visit you in America (when I'm on concert-tour...ah dreams) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 2:11 pm Subject: RE: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > << > Hi all, > > I think it could be interesting from which towns (countrys) all the list > members are?? > If anybody want's send it to me and I'll make a list.... > So far, I'm from COLOGNE (GERMANY) > > greetings to all > > Michael >> I'm from IJmuiden, The Netherlands. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 3:35 pm Subject: Re: cities I'm from Winchester, a tiny town of 900, which is in the desert about 90 miles due east of Los Angeles, and 90 miles north of San Diego. I visit both often. I listen to TD every day, usually as I draw and design. Wish they would go on tour in US soon. Jim Horecka, AIA, Architect From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 5:13 pm Subject: Re: Feldman and 'Desert Train' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... Hey there E-Man. Your not alone on that one. I love Cyclone too. Musically it's is one of my favorites. Vocally, well, that's another story. :) I think that's why people despise this album so much. Tom In a message dated 98-06-12 22:17:58 EDT, you write: << Then again, people wig out because I like _Cyclone_. :-) E-Man >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 5:56 pm Subject: RE: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JMPoer At 04:11 PM 6/13/98 +0200, you wrote: Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >  I think it could be interesting from which towns (countrys) all the list >  members are?? I live in 'the Valley'.....ah, that's the north side of Los Angeles, CA. Specifically I'm in Winnetka, CA, since 1970. John jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 2:24 pm Subject: RE: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ram=F3n?=' Hi!! I'm from EL PUERTO DE SANTA MARÍA, a city in ANDALUCÍA, at the south of SPAIN. José Ramón From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 8:02 pm Subject: e-Prog Mailing List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Fonda 'e-Prog' is a new mailing list devoted to ELECTRONIC PROG-ROCK, meaning that it caters to Progressive Rock which utilizes the synthesizer and related equipment as one of its main components. The lists purpose is to enhance the listening experience by providing a forum to discuss artists/groups, albums, concerts, news and the recording techniques and equipment which go into the production of 'e-Prog' music. The list is geared towards fans, artists, producers, promoters and distributors of electronic prog-rock. The groups/ artists likely to be discussed are such classics as Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Genesis, ELP and Yes as well as more contemporary acts such as Ozric Tentacles, Pendragon, Le Orme, Ars Nova, Glass Hammer, Djam Karet, Anglagard, Par Lindh and Redjy Emond. The discussion is intended to be broad enough to appeal to both the beginner and the expert. To subscribe, follow this link: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/e-prog From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 9:32 pm Subject: Re: Feldman and ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' I wasn't aware that anyone 'despised' the Cyclone album. I happen to play it quite often. I don't believe that I despise any of the TD albums. Of course, I don't necessarily appreciate some of the compilations, due their lack of cohesion. I like Tangents for the remixes and '70/'80 for the previously unreleased material, but that's another story. JJ ----Original Message Follows---- Really-From: TangerineC@a... Hey there E-Man. Your not alone on that one. I love Cyclone too. Musically it's is one of my favorites. Vocally, well, that's another story. :) I think that's why people despise this album so much. Tom In a message dated 98-06-12 22:17:58 EDT, you write: << Then again, people wig out because I like _Cyclone_. :-) E-Man >> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 10:44 pm Subject: Re: D:LIVE - Week 1 - Sunday, June 7th 1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... I can only give impressions of music remembered here and there rather than a detailed analysis of each tape; but then, you guys are doing a great job on that anyway. You know me by now: I'd rather speak about feelings evoked rather than trying to analyze who was playing what. My favorite is on tape 3/3 side 1 which sounds so much like it should be on the Thief album except this one has a much faster beat. Sounds like somebody running from the law. You can see the blue light flashing off the brick walls of the bank as the robber tries to find a way out of the trap. The London BBC one from 8-22-74 with its softer melody sounds faintly Irish as if there were a pub on shore in the background. There is a diver who is seeking to make contact with the whales who have been spotted fairly close to shore. He is in danger, however, because a lot of idiots in their boats are rushing out to see the sight also. He just barely has time to dive deep enough to escape the boat's prop that passes directly over his location. Rheims part one is almost the same as above with ocean sounds of waves crashing ashore, whales calling to each other, music heard in the distance; this time it's an accordion and you can imagine the warm lights and laughter inside. Rheims part two I have dubbed 'laughing monkeys'. They laugh over a deeper bass droning sound like something is sleeping and snoring judging from the Telstar sounds. The bass builds to a pulse like something waking up angry, possibly from all the monkey noise. The monkeys now shut up as this thing begins to move through the forest searching for pray. It is a panther and its blackness is barely visible as he slips among the leaves. Now we hear a lighter melody like a human whistling as he walks, totally unaware of the danger approaching. The hunter stalks and the human begins to move faster, perhaps feeling something is wrong here. Then someone is speaking French going on about something with a religious chorus in the background. Anybody able to translate this? Ponts De Ce: I am very glad I did not pay whatever it cost back in those days to go to a concert to hear something like this. It drones on and on with no relief. But I believe I do understand the purpose of it. Someone explained they were experimenting with very low frequencies at the time. At the moment that's all I remember. I have not had much time to play these tapes more than a couple of times and have only been able to jot down notes to these few. And now I fear we will be going into the next tree before I've had time to listen to those at all. Can we slow down a little? For the benefit of other people who do not have these tapes and therefore, may feel left out, how about discussing something else a week in between each tree discussion? You know, like the older stuff maybe. Just a suggestion from a technically challenged person. 8-) Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 13, 1998 11:19 pm Subject: Re: cities hey, that's very interesting! Some of my friends and at least myself are saying that you become more creative while listening TD !!!! Sure everybody has it's special tracks but generally speaking........ It's an interesting theme to talk about! Michael tadream mailing list schrieb: I'm from Winchester, a tiny town of 900, which is in the desert about 90 miles due east of Los Angeles, and 90 miles north of San Diego. I visit both often. I listen to TD every day, usually as I draw and design. Wish they would go on tour in US soon. Jim Horecka, AIA, Architect -- _______________________________ EVERY MAN DIES, NOT EVERY MAN REALLY LIVES. _______________________________ Michael Schülke braveheart@angel.de From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 12:31 am Subject: NIGHTMARE DICE! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Alistair Hull Since so many of us agree that the Dream Dice isn't really worth us shelling out all that hard-earned cash to get MORE duplicate copies of the stuff we already have, maybe we could all start referring to it as NIGHTMARE DICE, since it would be such a nightmare if we bought it and cursed ourselves for doing so (EVEN THOUGH we ALL WANT the other disks we don't have), or maybe since we all only *need* half of it we could refer it as DRM DC. Guess we'll all just have to wait until we can get our grubby little hands on the 'Individual Items' if and when they appear. Unsubscribe Dream Dice Subscribe *New*Disks*Only* Regards ** Alistair Hull ** Metro Region (NJ) ** Lawson Software ** ** (Alistair.hull@l...) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 1:49 am Subject: RE: Professional TD Shopper ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' >Congratulations, Vic!! >I guess I won't see you in Amsterdam anymore then...:-( >Maybe one day I visit you in America (when I'm on concert-tour...ah dreams) Marcel, would you prefer to headline or would opening for TD suffice? About how much material do you have published these days (discography)? BTW, if you had to do a TD cover song live, what would it be? Always set your goals higher than are comfortable for you and then yes indeed we'll be enjoying your music live in Atlanta and elsewhere. I'm sure a small following from these lists would show up :-) But A'dam is still not out of the question. Keep us posted of any concert dates please. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14661 Re: Professional TD Shopper Marcel Engels Mon 6/15/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 4:31 am Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: RBrown4856@a... Sounds good to me! I'm from Dunlap,Tennessee (THE STATE FAMOUS FOR COUNTRY MUSIC).I bet you,re wondering where I heard Tangerine Dream the first time.The movie RISKY BUSINESS.After that I was hooked. Rick From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 8:50 am Subject: Track List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Schuelke found this in the web,it confirme our suspects that the DD will double our stuff to 90%!!! Sh... i've already ordered........ Tangerine Dream - Atlantic Bridges - TD002 The first collection of best titles from 1988-1998 combined by TD itself. 1.Mothers of Rain 2.Sungate 3.Long Island Sunset 4.Paradise Cove 5.Atlas Eyes 6.Melrose 7.Girls on Broadway 8.Turn of the Tides 9.Jungle Journey 10.Catwalk 11.Touchwood 12.Timesquare Tangerine Dream - Atlantic Walls - TD003 The second collection of best titles from 1988-1998 combined by TD itself. 1.Electric Lion 2.Midwinter Night 3.Graffiti Street 4.Crystal Curfew 5.Pictures at an Exhibition 6.Firetongues 7.Mobocaster 8.Three Bikes in the Sky 9.Birdwatcher's Dream 10.Too Hot for my Chinchilla 11.Little Blond in the Park of Attractions 12.Marakesh -- _______________________________ EVERY MAN DIES, NOT EVERY MAN REALLY LIVES. _______________________________ Michael Schülke braveheart@a... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14672 Re: Track List AOutland@a... Tue 6/16/1998 2 KB 14679 Re: Track List Quarlie@a... Tue 6/16/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 10:13 am Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' I like this tread, I'm from a lot of cities. I lived in Caracas, Ciudad Guayana (both in Venezuela), Madrid and actually in Coruna. COruna is a nice city at the coast. around 350.000 persons living there and has a nice downtown. If you want to have a look at it go and see: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fsalgado/coruna.htm. Text in Spanish. ( so you have the added value of learning other language) but pictures speak by themselves, as usual. ( 4 photos) if you want to give a look at the country where i live look at: http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fsalgado/galicia.htm and http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fsalgado/galicia1.htm My country is very 'green' because of the rain, but very nice weather during summer (a lot of sun and mild temperatures (25º-28º C). Really fantastic food, specially seafood ( we have the world largest fishing fleet, but i mean native sea food. Galician coast is very special, we have a kind of fjord version called 'rias' with lots of living fauna) During summed there is a lot of festivities where food, whine and music are mixed joyfully. I hope you enjoy the pictures. francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14611 Re: Cities ??? Andrew J. Rozsa Sun 6/14/1998 3 KB 14652 Re: Cities ??? Gabe Yedid Mon 6/15/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 12:54 pm Subject: RE: cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Armin Theissen Koelle Alaaf! where I live(d): 1966-1985 Hoefen, Eifel (Monschau) 1985-1995 Bonn (almost the same as Cologne) 1995-1996 Madrid (would have loved to stay longer) since 1996 Armagh, Northern Ireland (lots of action here) what's next? Don't know. >Hi all, > >I think it could be interesting from which towns (countrys) all the list >members are?? >If anybody want's send it to me and I'll make a list.... >So far, I'm from COLOGNE (GERMANY) > >greetings to all > >Michael > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 2:45 pm Subject: cities? OK I'll bite ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> cities? living in Boston (watertown) Massachusetts exiled from Phoenix Arizona escapee from walla walla washington native of eugene oregon Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14608 Re: cities? OK I'll bite =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui? Sun 6/14/1998 3 KB 14616 Re: cities? OK I'll bite Choinière Sun 6/14/1998 3 KB 14618 Re: cities? OK I'll bite =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui? Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB 14633 Re: cities? OK I'll bite Antonio Nunes Mon 6/15/1998 2 KB 14637 Re: cities? OK I'll bite Plumer, Scott Mon 6/15/1998 2 KB 14646 Re: cities? OK I'll bite cml Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB 14719 Re: cities? OK I'll bite Colin Knowles-Spittle Wed 6/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 11:36 am Subject: HTML in e-mail. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' People, there are currently about half a dozen people who are sending e-mail to the list with HTML embedded. Would you all please turn this off. Most people find it very annoying. This mailing list cannot process HTML and therefore it just comes out as a load of gibberish, making the message very hard to read. For microsoft outlook users, set up an address book record, and at the bottom left is a check-box t otick so that mail is sent in plain text only when sending to the list. It will not affect you're other addresses, so you can still send HTML to everyone else. If you already have an address book record, highlight it and select properties, and then click the check-box. I don't know about other e-mail packages, but they should all work in a similar way. Thanks for your co-operation. Lawry From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 4:14 pm Subject: Re: cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Resident A warm hello to all of you! I'm from Los Angeles of the sunny California. Ricochet hooked me to TD, that year was '76 or '77. I didn't know who they were, but the sound was magic. That happened behind the iron red-curtain. Tom Resident From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 3:29 pm Subject: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marc C. Boland' > HI all I from Panama City, Florida. Before that I lived in Sacramento, CA. I saw Tangerine Dream on the Optical Race Tour. Still got the shirt with eyes all over it. Kind of fitting since I work with an eye doctor. My first album was Stratosfear. Hoping like hell that TD will play in Atlanta this fall because that's the closest place that they might consider playing. Marc Boland > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14603 Cities Choinière Sun 6/14/1998 3 KB 14607 Re: Cities PENFOLD Sun 6/14/1998 3 KB 14604 Re: Cities Jens Peschke Sun 6/14/1998 3 KB 14612 Cities stephan bischoff Sun 6/14/1998 3 KB 14631 Re: Cities Rainer Rutka Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB 14615 Re: Cities Steven Feldman Sun 6/14/1998 3 KB 14621 Re: Cities matt knudson Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB 14628 Re: Cities Jens Kilian Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB 14638 Cities Frank Stephen Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 5:12 pm Subject: D:LIVE - Week 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ami.hassinen@e... (Hassinen Ami) Hello everybody! 'Oedipus Tyrannos' (incorporates 3 dates) Official release: Track 'Overture' on 'V' (Virgin compilation, 1975) -- excerpt [1.3A] Boots: Festival (8.18.74 Au) Tapes: 8.18.74 Chichester (Festival Theatre) 31 min. (Au) 8.22.74 London (BBC Studios) 23 min. (FM) [2.2B] 8.29.74 London (BBC Studios) 24 min. (FM) Strange stuff. Almost like Zeit, but performed with a bit more advanced technology. 'Overture' manages to create an feeling of anticipation, but as the track goes on and on, not much seems to happen, after all. Very minimalistic but perhaps it is not minimalistic enough to be as effective as Zeit material nor as dramatic in its elements as Phaedra material. The other somewhat droning track 'Zeus' is perhaps a bit better because it´s a rather short number. Segments of both these tracks can be heard as a part of 'Desert Dream' on Encore as most of you already know (?). The third track 'Baroque' is perhaps the best of three. Nice medieval melodies and nice flute sounds. By the way, to me it sounds like not all the flute sounds originate from mellotron. Perhaps Mr. P.B. and his recorder at work again? Maybe 'Baroque' sounds better because you´re first subjected to two rather abstract (read: boring :)) numbers and then it steals the show with its nice down-to-earth melodies and melancholic feeling... Somehow I understand that TD didn´t release the 'Oedipus' album at the time, if the other stuff was along these lines. It would have sounded weak when compared to awesome Phaedra and Rubycon, IMO. But of course, it would be an fantastic album if released today ;-)... 10.13.74 Berlin (Nationalgalerie) 55 min. (FM) Part 1: 'Metamusik Festival' (36 min.); Part 2: 'Conversations' (19 min.) This is very cool stuff indeed. Too bad that the sound isn´t better. The beginning is perhaps a bit too tentative, but as the Rubycon-style sequences hit home, it becomes great stuff. As this was originally broadcasted on FM, I guess there HAS to be a better copy somewhere... Musically this is very archetypal 1974-75 TD music. Which means it´s damn good music!!! 12.13.74 Reims (Cathedral) 85 min (Au) Boots: Live! Improvised! (2CD) [2.3] Riems Cathedral (LP) Tapes: 65 min. (FM) Broadcast 27 min. (Au) (2nd source encores) 17 min. (FM) (Broadcast Interview & Encore) [2.2B] Very good quality (Live! Improvised!-CD) soundwise. Think about that Mr. Froese´s lawyer has probably loads of TD live music of similar or even better recording quality in his safe!!! It is nice that a gig of such fame and historical importance is available to us. But musically, I think it is not too interesting. Nice ambient athmospheres at the beginning of both sets, but there´s not much sequences going on as the things proceed. Somehow the elements do not seem to find much direction and everything sounds rather tame and hesitated...in fact quite understable, when you think about the actual happening and everything concerned, after all... The encore (I´ve heard just the 17 min. version) seems to be in reality a segment of the first main set (about the middle section). The interview (who was interviewed?) is in French so I didn´t understand a word...well maybe a few anyway :) Great to hear a bit of Nico´s set there in the background. Must have been very effective as well to be heard in a gothic cathedral... cheerio, Ami ps. I was rather disapointed to see so few comments on D-live material during the first week. Stop complaining about DD for a while and join D:live to talk about good and inventive music for a change ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14605 Re: LIVE - Week 2 Marcel Engels Sun 6/14/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 5:13 pm Subject: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Choini=E8re?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9ric?= Salut! I'm living at Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, a small town (38000 people) located at 35 kilometers south-east of Montreal and 35 kilometers north of the New York-Vermont (USA) border, in the province of Quebec, Canada. The first album I bought was Optical Race in 1988. I've never heard TD music before I bought this particular album. The cover designed by Monica Froese impressed me, I bought the album and... 29 albums after, TD stay my favorite group. I saw them at Place-des-arts in Montreal october 5th, 1992 (The Rockoon Tour). Au plaisir! Eric Choiniere Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu (Quebec) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14607 Re: Cities PENFOLD Sun 6/14/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 5:56 pm Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Kein 'Koelle Alaaf' von hier ... from Ronnenberg, 1 km south of Hanover, the capital of Lower Saxony. This state is famous for the Volkswagen and not part of the US. ;-) Heard TD's Force Majeure back in 1979, which was in the charts then. Kind Regards Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 6:11 pm Subject: RE: LIVE - Week 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' I haven't participated in the tape tree, because I already got quite a few tapes and CDs. But that doesn't stop me for making a few comments. :-) > 'Oedipus Tyrannos' (incorporates 3 dates) > Official release: Track 'Overture' on 'V' > (Virgin compilation, 1975) -- excerpt [1.3A] > Boots: Festival (8.18.74 Au) > Tapes: 8.18.74 Chichester (Festival Theatre) 31 min. (Au) > 8.22.74 London (BBC Studios) 23 min. (FM) [2.2B] > 8.29.74 London (BBC Studios) 24 min. (FM) > Haven't heard this in a while. I'm listening to it as I write this down. I got this one on tape and I think it's from the album 'V' because I hear a few clicks (from the LP). I think this is a great atmospheric piece! But I also think it doesn't go anywhere and it is a bit too long. If this Oedipus was released between Phaedra and Rubycon, then it probably wouldn't be the best album of the 70s. But still I like this way much better then the first 4 releases (E. Meditation...Atem). I fact, I don't listen to those. Parts of it can be heard on Encore. Lots of strange mellotron-choirs and sounds that look like strange whale-cries. > 12.13.74 Reims (Cathedral) 85 min (Au) > Boots: Live! Improvised! (2CD) [2.3] > Riems Cathedral (LP) > Tapes: 65 min. (FM) Broadcast > 27 min. (Au) (2nd source encores) > 17 min. (FM) (Broadcast Interview & Encore) [2.2B] Ah, Live! Improvised! Also a very good boot and partly because of the sound-quality I think. I like the beginning very much. It's very relaxed and you can hear the tuning of the oscillators - sometimes they're in sync. Nice mellotron-flute sounds on top. But then a comes a part that I wish wasn't in it. They are just searching for a melody and don't find it. Finally Chris finds his start button for the sequencer, although it isn't programmed I think :-) After some time a decent and later on great sequence starts. Mellotron strings on top. Why oh why doesn't Edgar releases such albums? Is he afraid the people don't like it?? I'll never understand. Track 2 is good too, but sounds too much like track 1 imo. Nice intro which reminds me of Phaedra (track3). Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 7:35 pm Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > I think it could be interesting from which towns (countrys) all the list > members are?? I'm in Toronto, Canada. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14624 Re: Cities ??? Steve Quinney Mon 6/15/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 7:25 pm Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD Born in Detroit/Southfield, Michigan (Kervorkian Country) moved to sunny SoCal @ 6 weeks old, so I'm culturally Californian first exposure to TD? I bought _Exit_ back in '81, two weeks later bought Tangram, Rubycon, Stratosfear, Cyclone & Force Majeure.....hooked like a fish! Pete mailto:penfold@a... http://www.artnet.net/~penfold/dev/null 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides on which instruments to take on the road. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 4:37 pm Subject: RE: cities? OK I'll bite ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= My city : Ozoir (near Paris), France. Is it right I'm the only french on the list ? ? ? Hey, french lurkers, wake up ! Fred Np : Phos - Socrates with Vangelis ** Please tell me if I usually send HTML in the mail, thanx ** From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 9:26 pm Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Miguel Farah F.' > >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:56:23 +0200 >Subject: Cities ??? > >Really-From: Michael Schuelke > >Hi all, > >I think it could be interesting from which towns (countrys) all the list >members are?? I'm from Santiago, CHILE. -- MIGUEL FARAH \ GCS/O d-(pu) s++:+>++: a26 C++ UL+>L++++ miguel@w... / P+ L>++ E--- W++ N+++ o+ K+++ w--(+) !O mfarah@p... \ M- V-- PS+(-) PE++ Y+ PGP-(+) t++@ 5++ http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel / X- R tv(+) b+ DI+ D++ G++++ e+(*) h!>++ #include \ r-- y? <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 9:29 pm Subject: Re: cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gilles Nadeau' I'm from Quebec City, Canada since 46years and fan of TD since 1969 with Electronic Meditation. ---------- De : tadream mailing list A : tadream@c... Objet : cities Date : 13 juin, 1998 09:47 I'm from Stockholm (Sweden), and new to this list. /Pål Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14657 Re: cities Michael Fox Mon 6/15/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 9:45 pm Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 11:13 AM 6/14/1998 +0100, Francisco wrote: > >I like this tread, > >I'm from a lot of cities. I lived in Caracas, Ciudad Guayana (both in >Venezuela), Madrid and actually in Coruna. COruna is a nice city at the >coast. around 350.000 persons living there and has a nice downtown. > >If you want to have a look at it go and see: > >http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fsalgado/coruna.htm. What a wonderfully beautiful part of the world you live in, Francisco. Thanks for sharing the beauty with us. With Galicia and La Coruña being so well-connected to the sea, I would be surprised if 'Underwater Sunlight' were not one of your favorite albums. :-) Regards, Andrew Birmingham, Alabama, USA P.S. I know this is simply a typo, but in >During summed there is a lot of festivities where food, whine and music are >mixed joyfully. 'whine' is what we do a lot of on Tadream. I am sure you meant wine. :-) A. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 9:41 pm Subject: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: stephan bischoff Neu Wulmstorf, near Hamburg, Germany. First exposure: Le Parc, Underwater Sunlight Live exposure: London 1996, Hamburg 1997 Favourite albums (no particular order): Underwater Sunlight, Force Majeure, White Eagle, Optical Race, Thief, Flashpoint, Franke's B5 work and all live albums except Tournado... Online since july 1995, on this list since august 1995. Dream on, Stephan _____ __________________________________________________________ / || \ |E-mail|| Stephan.Bischoff@H... | \_____||____________________________________________________ | / || | | Home ||http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/index.html | \_____||__________________________________________________________/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14631 Re: Cities Rainer Rutka Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 9:48 pm Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: cosmos@c... i'm from breda in holland. best wishes from andre From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 10:04 pm Subject: re-cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: NAdams43@a... hi all michael from cologne in germany wrote >i think it could be interesting from which towns (countrys) all the list members are this is something i have often thought about,maybe michael,you could compile that list,if everyone replied where they were from,it would also show how many members are on this list..........so come on everybody answer the man. im from lincoln in england, for the past 7 years,the previous 31 years were in burton on trent, which is about 10 miles from derby, which of course is andy pickford territory. nick From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman I was born in Boston, Massachusetts somewhere (I am adopted), then lived from the age of 6 weeks to 36 years in Providence, Rhode Island. Now, I'm living in Brookline, Massachusetts, and have been for two years. I first began getting TD albums seriously in 1983, and became a collector in 1984. -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 10:51 pm Subject: RE: cities? OK I'll bite ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Choini=E8re?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C9ric?= At 18:37 98-06-14 +0200, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= > > >My city : Ozoir (near Paris), France. > >Is it right I'm the only french on the list ? ? ? > >Hey, french lurkers, wake up ! > Non! Tu n'es pas le seul francophone sur cette liste... De l'autre cote de l'Atlantique, 6,5 millions de Quebecois font usage quotidiennement de la langue francaise. Je suis l'un d'eux! Le francais est d'ailleurs la langue officielle de la province de Quebec. Ce sera d'ailleurs notre fete nationale, le 24 juin prochain. Au plaisir et a la prochaine! Eric Choiniere Courriel: echoiniere@s... Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu (Quebec) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 10:44 pm Subject: The Keep ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jeff Stevenson Does anyone know a reputable internet company that I can purchase THE KEEP from and get it shipped to me? I'm in the U.S. and haven't been able to locate it at any of my local stores (nor can they order it...nor TIMESQUARE which I am also looking for). Things are so dry for TD cds around here that I'm lucky to go into a store and find a TD section at all (which normally only has a copy of THE PRIVATE MUSIC OF TD) let alone something I'm looking for. Jeff Stevenson jsteven@o... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 Get these NOW!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16411 The Keep Shadow Fri 5/14/1999 1 KB 16435 Re: The Keep Steven Le Vine Sat 5/15/1999 2 KB 16444 Re: The Keep Stephen Kyle Sat 5/15/1999 3 KB 16450 Re: The Keep Shadow Sat 5/15/1999 1 KB 16451 Re: The Keep Steven Le Vine Sat 5/15/1999 1 KB 16544 The Keep Anil Sahal Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB 16969 The Keep Anil Sahal Thu 6/24/1999 2 KB 16975 Re: The Keep Plumer, Scott Thu 6/24/1999 2 KB 16980 Re: The Keep patricdonaghy@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx Thu 6/24/1999 1 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 11:17 pm Subject: RE: cities? OK I'll bite ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= > > >My city : Ozoir (near Paris), France. > >Is it right I'm the only french on the list ? ? ? > >Hey, french lurkers, wake up ! > Non! Tu n'es pas le seul francophone sur cette liste... De l'autre cote de l'Atlantique, 6,5 millions de Quebecois font usage quotidiennement de la langue francaise. Je suis l'un d'eux! Le francais est d'ailleurs la langue officielle de la province de Quebec. Ce sera d'ailleurs notre fete nationale, le 24 juin prochain. Au plaisir et a la prochaine! Eric Choiniere Courriel: echoiniere@s... Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu (Quebec) I am pretty aware that some canadians speak french ! I asked if I was the only one living in France ; SEE YOU... Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 12, 1998 10:05 pm Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Aured Azhallein Rancuel Well, I'm originally from New York, then Minnesota, but I'm currently residing Idaho Falls, Idaho, soon to be moving to Utah for college (exactly one year of TD addiction from this last Saturday!! woohoo!!) -Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 1:31 am Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Majka I am from West Lafayette, Indiana. Originally I'm from Valparaiso, Indiana. John Majka flossbac@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 3:01 am Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) Well, we got robbed tonight!!!! I am of course talking about my home town team of the Utah Jazz. Two very poor calls by the refs caused us the game. I am in Salt Lake City and TD is my favorite group without a doubt. The Bulls take it again, unfairly of course but what else can you say. - Matt _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 14, 1998 3:05 pm Subject: Cities?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: spidey I'm from Windsor, Connecticut USA Keep dreamin' Oscar Dean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14623 Re: Cities?? mark chmielewski Mon 6/15/1998 2 KB 14625 Re: Cities?? Ken Beal Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB 14629 Re: Cities?? Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB 14630 Re: Cities?? Dan J. Schulte Mon 6/15/1998 2 KB 14658 Re: Cities?? Michael Fox Mon 6/15/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 3:39 am Subject: Re: Cities?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mchmiele@i... (mark chmielewski) Toronto, Canada Marc Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14625 Re: Cities?? Ken Beal Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB 14629 Re: Cities?? Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 3:57 am Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Quinney My name is Steve Quinney I am from Scarborough , Ontario, Canada Now a part of the Mega-City of Toronto From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 4:03 am Subject: Re: Cities?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ken Beal Now residing in Clovis, California USA (half way between Los Angeles and San Francisco). Orginally from Burbank, California. Ken Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14629 Re: Cities?? Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 6:01 am Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Stephen Yensen >Really-From: Michael Schuelke > >Hi all, > >I think it could be interesting from which towns (countrys) >all the list members are?? > >If anybody want's send it to me and I'll make a list.... >So far, I'm from COLOGNE (GERMANY) Hi, I'm Steve Yensen, from Nottingham, England. (originally from Grimsby, N.E. Lincolnshire) P.S. I appear on the list twice in digest mode only.. ================================================ STEVE YENSEN Home: syensen@i... Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... Siemens GEC Communication Systems Limited ================================================ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 6:16 am Subject: Re: Cyclone and HTML in mail ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Stephen Yensen >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > >Hey there E-Man. Your not alone on that one. I love Cyclone too. Musically >it's is one of my favorites. Vocally, well, that's another story. :) I think >that's why people despise this album so much. >Tom So do I. When I first played this, in my car, I drove straight into the back of a stationary Volvo. Luckily I saw it in time enough to slam on my brakes, so the damage was slight (to my car, I didn't even scratch his paint). Even the vocals are just right, especially in Rising Runner... And now for something completely different, a polite request ... Please, please, please can you turn off HTML in your posts? It's driving me nuts! Please don't take this the wrong way, eh? Steve. np: Rising Runner Missed By Endless Sender - I like it! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14639 Re: Cyclone and HTML in mail Plumer, Scott Mon 6/15/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 7:22 am Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jens Kilian I live in Herrenberg, Germany, but I'm NOT a native Swabian (originally from Hessen). Have a look at http://www.herrenberg.de/ Bye, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-14-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 7:45 am Subject: Re: Cities?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 I live in Dunfermline (one of the) ancient capital of Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 8:07 am Subject: Re: Cities?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: -------------------------------- I live on a Space Station and reside in cell block 1138. Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14658 Re: Cities?? Michael Fox Mon 6/15/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 10:40 am Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Rainer Rutka Hello dreamers ! I'm from Konstanz, Germany. It is a town by the Lake Constanz (we call it Bodensee) shore. Not far the austrian and including (!) the swiss border. My fav. TD album is Force Majeure and many more. I like Goblins Club, too (I'm the only one ?). I collect TD since 1974. Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- K+R Informationssysteme Konstanz E-Mail : rainer@k... Rainer Rutka Griesseggstrasse 27 D Telefon : +49 (0)7531 29842 D-78462 Konstanz Fax : +49 (0)7531 29879 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 2:55 am Subject: Re: cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Neal McAuley Currently living in Kent, WA (a stone's throw from Seattle) Grew up in Southern California Born in Australia (Melbourne to be precise) ::back to lurk mode::: From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 10:52 am Subject: RE: cities? OK I'll bite ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes I'm from Funchal, Madeira island, Portugal. Madeira is famous for its wine and its mild climate. Anyone been here already? The first time I heard a TD album was on a local radio in 1983. The album was Logos and it hooked me on TD at once! Antonio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 12:46 pm Subject: RE: KEEP LD w/ Commentary Track??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' > So, could *somebody* kindly at least tell me the catalogue number >for the version of THE KEEP laserdisk that has a commentary track? Info >like year of release, issuing company, catalog number, etc. I think _I_ was the one who first mentioned that there _might_ be an LD with a commentary track, but I never said I've ever seen one or heard of one. The Criterion collection puts out LD's with commentary tracks on them, but they haven't released The Keep. My friend has Thief, but it's just a 'director's edition' not a Criterion. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 12:45 pm Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Kevin Wilson Howdy, My home is in Knoxville, Tennessee. Tangram and Encore are my favorites. Kevin From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 12:50 pm Subject: RE: Feldman and 'Desert Train' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Hey there E-Man. Your not alone on that one. I love Cyclone too. Musically >it's is one of my favorites. Vocally, well, that's another story. :) I think >that's why people despise this album so much. Tom I used to hate it so much I sold it back to the store. But now, after getting into Van der Graaf Generator, I like Cyclone a lot more. It's a lot like VDGG, even the vocals. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 1:08 pm Subject: RE: cities? OK I'll bite ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Cleveland, Ohio, or thereabouts, all my life, with brief stints in Athens, East Liverpool & Put-in-Bay, Ohio. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 12:54 pm Subject: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Frank Stephen Born and bred in the small town of West Seneca, New York (just outside of Buffalo). The weird thing is there is no East Seneca (or just plain Seneca for that matter). Frank fstephe@a... Crap under glass at the Smithsonian...is still crap. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 1:15 pm Subject: RE: Cyclone and HTML in mail ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Please, please, please can you turn off HTML in your >posts? It's driving me nuts! You must already be nuts, because I don't see it at all! Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 1:15 pm Subject: Cities??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' Norcross, Georgia (the state, not the country). 'Little' suburb north-east of Atlanta. Ex-denizen of Washington DC and couple of other military towns (originally from Dayton, Ohio). Most exotic places I've lived: Ankara Turkey, Melbourne Australia and next to the National Zoo in Washington DC. First exposure to TD: 1973 on WGTB in Washington DC at about 0300. PHAEDRA came pulsing out of the stereo's speakers and I was hooked... Used to be able to carry a boombox to school, got some _really_ strange looks when 'Mysterious Semblance...' came on... ;-) Been on this list since, what, 1988 or 89? In digest mode, as I get too much freakin' e-mail as it is. Met the band once, in Washington DC in 1988 at the Kennedy Center. I am an old fart when it comes to TD (I _like_ my TD when it had the 'Moog-bobba-wob' sound) but old age has not hardened my ability to enjoy new e-music (you should see my e-music collection!). Just don't care much for where TD has gone to with their sound. That's all.... NP: Eric Snelders / Searching For The Arms Of Venus ========================================= Craig A. Shipley craigs@s... Siemens-Nixdorf ITSN 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (770) 242-9374 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ========================================= From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 2:27 pm Subject: Rounding out the collection ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' Anyone have a spare copy of Cyclone, Lily or Rockoon they'd care to part with? I'd like to get a vinyl copy of Lily as well. Thanks. Scott Plumer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 2:41 pm Subject: Re: Way to go JAZZ!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Florine Epure' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) > > We showed em' in Chicago! > Should have had TD music playing in the background. > Yes you're right, way to go OUT Jazz!! This sunday you showed us 4-2 is the right score to beat you up - Jazz!! Florin. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 3:13 pm Subject: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: pavel@c... Hello Dreamers, I thought the 'cities' thread sounded like a good idea to send something to the list again. So here is my short residence itinerary: 1970-1981 Wroclaw, Poland - discovered TD during this time through Statosfear 1981-1982 Seewalchen, Upper Austria 1982-1997 Edmonton, Alberta, Canada 1997- Calgary, Alberta, Canada Cheers and greetings, Pawel -- Pawel Jachowicz, Computing Science, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada pavel@c... http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~pavel tangerine dream, christoph franke, edgar froese, johannes schmoelling klaus schulze, florian fricke, paul haslinger, klaus krueger, peter baumann --- All of my email passes through a filter. Let's FIGHT SPAM! --- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 3:56 pm Subject: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve Jenkins Born: Liverpool, England 1962 and lived there until I went to Univ. First TD encounter - Rubycon when I was 11. 1980 - 82 Oxford (where I saw my first TD concert) 82-88 Chester 88-90 Darlington Co.Durham 90-93 Wilmington, DE ( a great 3 years in the US of A) 93-96 Darlington, Co.Durham 96 - 98 Liphook, Hampshire (UK) Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 5:27 pm Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' > Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > At 11:13 AM 6/14/1998 +0100, Francisco wrote: > >If you want to have a look at it go and see: > > > >http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fsalgado/coruna.htm. > > What a wonderfully beautiful part of the world you live in, Francisco. > Thanks for sharing the beauty with us. With Galicia and La Coruña being so > well-connected to the sea, I would be surprised if 'Underwater Sunlight' > were not one of your favorite albums. :-) Well I like UNderwater Sunlight but my favourites at the moment are Rubycon, Phedra, Ricochet, Stratosfear, Encore, Force Makeure an Tangram. > Regards, > > Andrew > Birmingham, Alabama, USA > > P.S. I know this is simply a typo, but in > > >During summed there is a lot of festivities where food, whine and music are > >mixed joyfully. > > 'whine' is what we do a lot of on Tadream. I am sure you meant wine. :-) Whine they do too.. ;) but I mean wine for sure, specially white Albariño wine and a fantastic read wine from 'Ribeira Sacra', a place near the Sil river, grape variety called 'mencia' and 'Amandi' I passed the text through the orthography utility of Netscape but nothing is perfect. --Francisco Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14676 Re: Cities ??? Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 6/16/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 3:39 pm Subject: RE: cities? OK I'll bite ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'cml' Hi, I live in La Laguna, a city of Tenerife, Canary Islands, Spain. My first TD album was Encore in 1980. Claudio. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 4:45 pm Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: SRiser3600@a... Hi all, I'm a Tdream fan in Atlanta Ga via Florida and Shreveport LA. where I first heard Tdream A friend had sent a tape of a local radio station in Denver FMFL or KFML cant remember (is it still around) First cut I heard was Sequent C from Phadra(still maybe my fav album ) Also like Rubycon, Logos, Pergemon love the live stuff(except tournado very disapointing ) im 45 and a massage therapist. Bye Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 5:00 pm Subject: Cyclone and Car Crashing and HTML ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... Holy crap Stephen!!! I was in a car crash in 1996 while blasting Cylone also. But what happend was, the guy behind me smashed into me, sending me flying into 2 other cars totaling my car and damaging the 2 others. Bent Cold Sidewalk was on while all this was happening. So I guess my advice to people would be:'Dont play this album while driving. It's evil. ' :) As for Html in messages, am I at fault? My messages and others seem to look fine. Tom In a message dated 98-06-15 07:19:18 EDT, you write: << So do I. When I first played this, in my car, I drove straight into the back of a stationary Volvo. Luckily I saw it in time enough to slam on my brakes, so the damage was slight (to my car, I didn't even scratch his paint). >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 5:31 pm Subject: Re: Macula Transfer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... Important Restocks (Import) Frose, Edgar- Macula Transfer..........$24.99 at www.rpmrecords.com for anyone who's looking for it. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 19893 Macula Transfer John Marchington Sat 12/18/1999 2 KB 19896 Re: Macula Transfer Vic Rek Sat 12/18/1999 1 KB 24988 Macula Transfer Derk Sun 11/12/2000 2 KB 24990 Re: Macula Transfer Marcel Engels Sun 11/12/2000 2 KB 25002 Re: Macula Transfer Armin Theissen Mon 11/13/2000 3 KB 25000 Re: Macula Transfer John Marchington Mon 11/13/2000 3 KB 25018 Re: Macula Transfer Derk Tue 11/14/2000 2 KB 27472 Re: Macula Transfer ampmusic Thu 6/21/2001 2 KB 27476 Re: Macula Transfer Thomas Fri 6/22/2001 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 5:41 pm Subject: cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'marc todd' I'm living in Burbank CA, home of Disney & Warner Bros. Yes, I am an actor, and no I do not do nudity (that is what body doubles are for);-) BTW I hope there are people on this list from Miami FL. I hope to be able to get over there this fall. I play Jai Alai and have been dying to play there. Therefore, I would like someone to recommend some good record shops to go to. Thanks. Marc ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 3:38 pm Subject: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AslanFan1@a... The thread is on where we live, right? OK, here goes... I'm 30 yrs old. I just moved from Colorado to Austin, Texas, USA.Yesterday, it was 112 degrees. Major heat. I have yet to find a good source for TD material here. We have a Tower Records, so hopefully they'll have the TDI stuff soon. CD Now has been a good source for me off the net. I first heard TD via the Thief soundtrack and Tangram (which is still one of my all time faves). Underwater Sunlight is a true classic, and though I love Ricochet, I also love 220 Volts. The new stuff has some great moments in it to me. Still can't really listen to the first four albums much, except the tangentized versions. I've seen the band three times in concert. 86 in ABQ was my favorite. TD is my favorite artist, but I like a wide variety of artists in various genres, including Pat Metheny, Alan Parsons, Dream Theater, Saga, Toto , Marillion, The Seventy Sevens, Phil Keaggy and Whiteheart. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14655 Re: Cities feldon@p... Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 3:56 pm Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Lived here all my life and firt heard TD here too--but still haven't seen them live :( Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 4:13 pm Subject: RE: cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Roger Smith' I live in Tallahassee, Florida, where we are experiencing an extended heat wave that is breaking all existing temperature records. Luckily there is much water in and around Florida, so we can cool out. My occupation (underwater archaeologist) takes me eventually to all corners of the state and its many bodies of water. I like the cool springs best. Splash! Roger Smith ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14673 Re: cities Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 6/16/1998 3 KB 14677 It's P-H-A-E-D-R-A. Get it? Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 6/16/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: kearley@r... Date: 06/15/1998 01:14 pm (Monday) From: Kevin Earley To: 'tadream@c... at internet'@Toronto.ccMail Subject: Re: Cities I was born in London England (Croydon actually) and moved to Canada when I was 5. Grew up in Pickering (a suburb of Toronto), and now I live in Toronto. Been listening to Tangerine Dream since 1977. We're now up to 4 TD fans in Toronto - enough for euchre :) Kevin Earley kearley@r... np: TD - Green Desert From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 5:19 pm Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 11:38 AM 6/15/98 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: AslanFan1@a... > >The thread is on where we live, right? OK, here goes... > >I'm 30 yrs old. I just moved from Colorado to Austin, Texas, USA.Yesterday, it >was 112 degrees. Major heat. I have yet to find a good source for TD material >here. We have a Tower Records, so hopefully they'll have the TDI stuff soon. Good grief, you are nearly within DRIVING DISTANCE of RPM Records. www.rpmrecords.com I got Dream Roots collection and Miracle Mile OST from them. They're fast and inexpensive. You'll have to pay Texas sales tax of course =) -Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 7:47 pm Subject: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Hilmar Kraft Hilmar Kraft, currently living in Berlin, Germany (3 miles away from the Froeses), before that: Boca Raton/Florida, Paderborn, Duesseldorf, Honolulu, Chicago, Arlington Heights, Hamburg, Den Haag/The Hague...among others. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 1:23 pm Subject: Re: cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox Hi all! I live in Columbus, Indiana US by way of Columbus; Shotts, Scotland and Mexico City. First TD-EM in 1972 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 1:58 pm Subject: Re: Cities?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Fox At 01:07 AM 6/15/98 -0700, THX-Dano wrote: >I live on a Space Station and reside in cell block 1138. Yeah, I saw that documentary about you. Yer bald pate is uglier than Nagles'! Mike From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 9:18 pm Subject: AIR no TD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' >Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > >> Really-From: 'Greg Heil' >> >> Anyone hear the new AIR album >> 'Moon Safari' ? >> I think it's a mellow masterpeice... >> love the Minimoog and MS20 > >ABSOLUTELY fantastic music! >And they are quite frequently on the radio over here, much to my >suprise. >Sexy Boy and Kelly watch the Stars are great songs. Nice Moog-basses, >Solina strings, vocoder stuff. >Haven't heard the whole album, but I think it's a bit of a mix between >Kraftwerk and Jarre. > >Marcel >Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels >Email :fsp@w... > This is just excellent stuff.. there isn't a bad song on the album. Very retro, not just in the instruments but in composition.. but combining strings, vocoder, tuba, clavinet, piano, guitar, bass, MS20, and Minimoog is what I'd call brilliant. Fav Tracks: 'Kelly, Watch the Stars' bow booowm ba booow ba booowm ;o) 'Talisman' 'You Make it Easy' -- Beth Hirsch vocals 'Ce Matin La' 'Le Voyage De Penelope' I couldn't help but feel intoxicated by the music. Greg H. NP: AIR 'Talisman' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 8:14 pm Subject: Cities and AIR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' I live in Lake Havasu City, Arizona and my favorite TD albums are 'Encore' 'Tangram' 'Oasis' Anyone hear the new AIR album 'Moon Safari' ? I think it's a mellow masterpeice... love the Minimoog and MS20 Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14662 Re: RPMRecords doesn't have *everything* feldon@p... Mon 6/15/1998 2 KB 14663 Re: Cities and AIR Marcel Engels Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB 14691 Re: Cities and AIR Gabe Yedid Tue 6/16/1998 3 KB 14692 Re: Cities and AIR Sean Montgomery Tue 6/16/1998 2 KB 14665 Air (French Band) Sean Montgomery Mon 6/15/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 8:32 pm Subject: RE: Professional TD Shopper ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: Vic Rek > > Marcel, would you prefer to headline or would opening for TD > suffice? About > how much material do you have published these days (discography)? BTW, if > you had to do a TD cover song live, what would it be? Prefer to headline, but opening is oke too, as I did for Steve Roach. I'm working on new material. The Amalthea track on Goldtri was the last released track. I have 2 more tracks right now, but I'm not satisfied with it yet. One track will contain electric guitar parts. My uncle has 'joined' FSP and he played in a few bands in the 70s and plays very well, imo. His style is between Camel, Pink Floyd, Jan Akkerman/Focus. I did let him listen to some old TD tracks (encore) and he could easily play along, in fact he says he must take a step back to do that kind of playing. > Always set your goals higher than are comfortable for you and then yes > indeed we'll be enjoying your music live in Atlanta and > elsewhere. I'm sure > a small following from these lists would show up :-) But A'dam > is still not > out of the question. Keep us posted of any concert dates please. Soooon (I hope) :-) I'll do it for free (as all of my concerts). As long as my flight ticket and hotel is payed. Honest :-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 8:37 pm Subject: Re: RPMRecords doesn't have *everything* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... Sorry to waste bandwidth. I checked out rpmrecords.com. they don't even have much in the way of TD... :( From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 8:48 pm Subject: RE: Cities and AIR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > Anyone hear the new AIR album > 'Moon Safari' ? > I think it's a mellow masterpeice... > love the Minimoog and MS20 ABSOLUTELY fantastic music! And they are quite frequently on the radio over here, much to my suprise. Sexy Boy and Kelly watch the Stars are great songs. Nice Moog-basses, Solina strings, vocoder stuff. Haven't heard the whole album, but I think it's a bit of a mix between Kraftwerk and Jarre. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14691 Re: Cities and AIR Gabe Yedid Tue 6/16/1998 3 KB 14692 Re: Cities and AIR Sean Montgomery Tue 6/16/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 8:49 pm Subject: CD's for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: blazzer891@w... (John BLAZZER891) Hello. I have a set of five CD's for sale at the Ebay auction house at the following address if anyone is interested. eBay item 17364096 (Ends 06/20/98 05:43:56 PDT) - Tangerine Dream CD set Address:http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=17364096 Thanks for taking the time to read this, John Bored? Take a trip to my homepage!!!!!!! http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/a/blazzer891.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14687 CD's for sale neil vanlaten Tue 6/16/1998 2 KB 14688 Re: CD's for sale K.E Tue 6/16/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 8:54 pm Subject: Air (French Band) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Anyone hear the new AIR album > 'Moon Safari' ? > I think it's a mellow masterpeice... > love the Minimoog and MS20 *Great* album. Cheesy, but in a good way (i.e. it's not a joke, but a well-crafted album). I don't know if it would really appeal to the average Tangerine Dream fan though...yeah, they use lots of 70s gear (minimoog, vocoders), but they're more like ELO than TD. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 6:52 pm Subject: RE: Cities (Utah) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Bennett Cookson I am in Orem Utah (with a great view of the mountains). My first TD album was Phedra (in 1991) but I did not like it at all, I even sold back the CD. A few years later I heard Melrose and loved it. Since then I have bought all the new albums and I am working back toward the old ones. I am gaining an appreciation for the older TD, but it has taken time. I am about ready to Phedra again. (now I wish I still had it). Other artists I enjoy are Christopher Franke, Vangelis, Alan Parsons, David Arkenstone, and Patrick O'Hearn. --Bennett From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 10:30 am Subject: Re: cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Nigel Merrick' Hi All I'm from Walsall, England, originally but moved to Bermuda almost 4 yrs ago... not many folks into TD over here it seems (although a few Americans and other mad Englishman!) Cheers and best regards to you all, wherever you are... Nigel Merrick -----Original Message----- From: tadream mailing list To: tadream@c... Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 8:07 PM Subject: re-cities >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Really-From: NAdams43@a... > > >hi all > michael from cologne in germany wrote > > >i think it could be interesting from which towns (countrys) all the list >members are > > >this is something i have often thought about,maybe michael,you could compile >that list,if everyone replied where they were from,it would also show how many >members are on this list..........so come on everybody answer the man. > >im from lincoln in england, for the past 7 years,the previous 31 years were in >burton on trent, which is about 10 miles from derby, which of course is andy >pickford territory. > > nick From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 7:27 pm Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: draco@g... >I think it could be interesting from which towns (countrys) >all the list members are?? I have been living in Scottsdale, Arizona since 1980. Originally a native of New York City. First TD exposure: circa 1971/1972 - heard 'Sunrise In The Third System' played on WNEW-FM. Gary Pfeifer From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 9:39 pm Subject: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'K.E' Hi Well, I actually don´t live in a city, but it is close to a very nice small village by the west-coast of Denmark. It´s called Lønstrup or Loenstrup (like in Froese...) Kent From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 10:48 pm Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jorge Moreira Hello. I`m from Oporto (Porto) Portugal. A World Heritage Citie (UNESCO) with his famous Oporto wine and the ancients roots and stories. My fave TD album: Logos. Best Regards, Jorge Moreira. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 12:26 am Subject: Re:Movies on TV ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 98-06-14 00:34:53 EDT, you write: << .I bet you,re wondering where I heard Tangerine Dream the first time.The movie RISKY BUSINESS.After that I was hooked. Rick >> Anyone in my area (Florida) may be interested to know that the movies RISKY BUSINESS and LEGEND will be aired on tv this week on Channel 30 (TNT). Risky appears on Thurs 10:20 pm followed by Legend. Legend again airs on Fri, same channel at noon. I will be getting my recorder ready. 8-) Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 12:29 am Subject: Re: Track List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 98-06-14 05:01:12 EDT, you write: Michael Schuelke: << 4.Paradise Cove >> and Mobocaster I don't have. What albums do these two come from? Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 12:47 am Subject: RE: cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:13 AM 6/15/1998 PDT, Roger Smith wrote: >I live in Tallahassee, Florida, where we are experiencing an extended >heat wave that is breaking all existing temperature records. Luckily [..........] Go 'Noles! Andrew (FSU Class of '75 and '80) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14677 It's P-H-A-E-D-R-A. Get it? Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 6/16/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 12:49 am Subject: Re: RPMRecords doesn't have *everything* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all- >Really-From: feldon@p... >Sorry to waste bandwidth. I checked out rpmrecords.com. they don't even >have much in the way of TD... :( That's because a few of us here in Big D clean 'im out on a regular basis!;) He does get every new release, as soon as it's available. FYI, last time I was there, he had *1* copy of TimeSquare... goozer --------------------------------------------------- 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has blurred.' --------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 15, 1998 6:06 pm Subject: cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: monrad engineering I am a lurker from Tucson, Arizona-one of the few natives, with some 34 years here. First TD-Coldwater Canyon, Encore, 1980 (and always optimistic that I will hear better TD). Chris Monrad From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 12:59 am Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 06:27 PM 6/15/1998 +0100, Francisco wrote: >Well I like UNderwater Sunlight but my favourites at the moment are Rubycon, >Phedra, Ricochet, Stratosfear, Encore, Force Makeure an Tangram. Ditto here, in approximately the same order (of appearance). In fact I started my fan career with Phaedra. >> >> 'whine' is what we do a lot of on Tadream. I am sure you meant wine. :-) > >Whine they do too.. ;) but I mean wine for sure, specially white Albariño >wine and a fantastic read wine from 'Ribeira Sacra', a place near the Sil >river, grape variety called 'mencia' and 'Amandi' You are doing a LOT better with English than I would with Spanish, so the only reason I even mentioned it because it was specifically apropos to our recent reaction to the Dice'm and Slice'm set. :-)) I will trade you a bottle of Egri Bikaver (Bull's Blood od Eger, from Hungary) for a bottle of Ribeira Sacra. Then we can both hit Antonio up for a bottle of Madeira wine. :-) Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 1:08 am Subject: It's P-H-A-E-D-R-A. Get it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' In the last few days I have seen Phaedra misspelled more ways than I thought was possible. For some reason it bugs me. It's P-H-A-E-D-R-A. Teach your mail client's dictionary, OK? Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 1:32 am Subject: Re: Cities ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'ROGER HELLIWELL' >I think it could be interesting from which towns (countrys) all the list >members are?? >If anybody want's send it to me and I'll make a list.... Hello! I'm from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. And believe it or not, the only person I know in Vancouver who listens to TD. Most of my friends think I'm nuts. Go figure...Now I gotta go and count my match-sticks again 8) Roger From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 2:13 am Subject: Re: Re: Track List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Quarlie@a... ><< 4.Paradise Cove >> and Mobocaster I don't have. What albums do these two >come from? Dell 'Paradise Cove' is from 'Lily on the Beach,' and 'Mobocaster' is from 'TimeSquare.' --Quarlie :) np: Cinnamon Road (dig that 808) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 4:06 am Subject: Re: Way to go JAZZ!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: rmknudson@j... (matt knudson) >Really-From: 'Florine Epure' >Yes you're right, way to go OUT Jazz!! > >This sunday you showed us 4-2 is the right score to beat you up - >Jazz!! > >Florin. > How right you are. The JAZZ choked big time! Of course those piss-poor calls by the refs didn't help the matter very much. Time to put on my THIEF soundtrack and forget about basketball for a few months. - Matt _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14681 Re: Way to go JAZZ!!! Greg Heil Tue 6/16/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 5:04 am Subject: Re: Way to go JAZZ!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' >How right you are. The JAZZ choked big time! Of course those piss-poor >calls by the refs didn't help the matter very much. Time to put on my >THIEF soundtrack and forget about basketball for a few months. > >- Matt Oh hell yah!! Bulls and 'Theif' rock! I think it's a 'Diamond Diary' type o thang! heh Greg H. NPIH: AIR (Now Playing In Head) 'New Star in the Sky' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 4:58 am Subject: Something funny... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: AMP!...is it ever coming back? From: soulabuse@a... (SoulAbuse) Date: 1998/06/14 Message-ID: <1998061403334000.XAA20956@l...> Newsgroups: alt.rave >I heard Kurt Loder mention names like Hawkwind, Tangerine Dream, and Eno
>at times, so I get the feeling he is somewhat knowledgable You probably didn't hear his full sentence. What he was saying was, 'Hawkwind? Tangerine Dream? Eno? They don't sound like they have any cash... who the hell are these people? Has Puff Daddy done anything with them? Maybe we can put them on at 2 in the morning where noone will really notice...' Well, maybe.... p e @ c e SemaJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 5:24 am Subject: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PW098@a... Hi TDer's, I'm from Long Island, New York. 1st Exposure: Thief 1st Album: Poland 1st TD Concert: Optical Race tour Some Favs: Poland , Phaedra, Force Majuere, Underwater Sunlight, Lily, and yes, Heartbreaker and Tangents Least Fav: Dream Mixes, Electronic Meditation, Tyranny of Beauty Most Overrated: Stratosfear Most Underrated: Green Desert All IMHO. The interesting thing about this group is the different TD tastes of the people on the list. Regards, Bob From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 8:09 am Subject: Re: TD in stock, was 'Updated TDI page' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Kees At 12:10 9-06-98 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Sean Montgomery >> The TDI Music Page has been updated as of 6/9.  On-line stores at which >> the new CDs will be available have been posted, however, I tried a couple >> and they don't list any of the new CDs yet. >Groove Unlimited does, and even includes forthcoming releases like >'Twilight Folder' and 'Sohoman'.  They're $19.99 U.S. each.  But it >doesn't say that the individual CDs are actually *in stock* yet.  >http://www.mcs.nl/groove/catcd_us.h tml >SEAN MONTGOMERY     Animator Sean, This morning I received some advanced copies from TDI. At this moment I'm listening to Transsiberia. Very nice music. All with the beat of moving trains. About *in stock*; TDI will start shipping to everyone on June 18th so no-one has any stock at this moment. Apart from the DD-set the first quantities that they'll ship will also be limited. Kees GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) Kees Aerts PO Box 2171 8203 AD Lelystad the Netherlands Tel: +31 (0) 320 250028 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 ----------------------- Email: groove@m... ; Web pages: http://mcs.nl/groove/ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 8:34 am Subject: Re: Cyclone, car crashes, cities and nuttiness! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Stephen Yensen >Holy crap Stephen!!! I was in a car crash in 1996 while blasting Cylone also. >But what happend was, the guy behind me smashed into me, sending me flying >into 2 other cars totaling my car and damaging the 2 others. Bent Cold >Sidewalk was on while all this was happening. So I guess my advice to people >would be:'Dont play this album while driving. It's evil. ' :) I was half way through 'Madrigal Meridian'. > As for Html in messages, am I at fault? My messages and others seem to look >fine. Tom No, yours are okay. >>Please, please, please can you turn off HTML in your >>posts? It's driving me nuts! >You must already be nuts, because I don't see it at all! >Scott As nutty as a fruitcake and proud of it. Maybe your mail software filters this stuff out... BTW, I failed to add to my 'Cities' reply the fact that Encore, Rubycon, Ricochet and Phaedra are my current fave albums. First exposure: Atem, first concert was Bradford, UK on 26th November 1974 during my 2nd year at Univ. Cheers, Steve. np: Pink Floyd - Ummagumma Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14717 Re: Cyclone, car crashes, cities and nuttiness! Hassinen Ami Wed 6/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 10:03 am Subject: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' Hi, Chicago, Illinois USA Favorite Artists: TD - Everyone from 76 through 87 KS - X, Dome Event, Dosburg Online Schmoelling - All except latest ORB - Everyone except Pomme Fritz Attended (4) TD concerts: (88) Poplar Creek, Ill; (92) Chicago, Ill; (92) Columbus, OH; (92) Scottsdale, AZ. 1ST TD Album - Encore Neil ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 10:27 am Subject: CD's for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' Hi, I just ordered Dream Dice therefore the following CD's are for sale: Oasis 6.00 Tournado 7.00 Dream Mixes 1 (Double) 9.00 Time Square 7.00 Shipping charge in US is 3.00 (prority) for 1or2, 5.00 for 3or4 (ups). Neil ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 11:07 am Subject: Re: CD's for sale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'K.E' Hello Neil I would like to buy Tournado and Time Square I can pay you cash in US $ if you want to. Kindly Kent Kent Eskildsen Sandbakkevej 7 9800 Hjørring (Hjoerring) Denmark > Really-From: 'neil vanlaten' > > Hi, > > I just ordered Dream Dice therefore the following CD's are for sale: > > Oasis 6.00 > Tournado 7.00 > Dream Mixes 1 (Double) 9.00 > Time Square 7.00 > Shipping charge in US is 3.00 (prority) for 1or2, 5.00 for 3or4 (ups). > > Neil > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 2:11 pm Subject: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Jones Mark J. -- Tucson, AZ Online since 1994; onDream since summer 1986. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 7:23 am Subject: Some CDs to go Hallo everybody In case someone is interested, I have several CDs to sell: TANGERINE DREAM Acoustic LSD (CDR copy, 12 $) Soundtrack for Fantasy (CDR copy, 12 $) Dream Music (SILVA SCREEN SSD 1016) (just 9 $) Dream Mixes (Miramar 23073-2) (just 9 $) KLAUS SCHULZE Totentag (ZYX 81014-2) (40 $) Das Wagner Desaster Live (ZYX 90000-2) (40 $) Moondawn (Brain 841353-2) (12 $) ASHRATropical Heat (Thunderbolt CDTB 138) (20 $) All CDs are in mint condition, some even unplayed. The price include postage. My adress: markmast@kki.net.pl Marek The Alienist Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14701 Re: Some CDs to go Kenneth Wayne Beal Tue 6/16/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 3:41 pm Subject: RE: Cities and AIR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > > Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > > > > Anyone hear the new AIR album > > 'Moon Safari' ? > > I think it's a mellow masterpeice... > > love the Minimoog and MS20 > > ABSOLUTELY fantastic music! > And they are quite frequently on the radio over here, much to my > suprise. > Sexy Boy and Kelly watch the Stars are great songs. Nice Moog-basses, > Solina strings, vocoder stuff. > Haven't heard the whole album, but I think it's a bit of a mix between > Kraftwerk and Jarre. Is this AIR a group, or is it another Pete Namlook album? (I have his first 2 'Air' albums...somebody is going to have to walk me through this guy's multi-tiered title-ing scheme someday...) Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14692 Re: Cities and AIR Sean Montgomery Tue 6/16/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 4:05 pm Subject: RE: Cities and AIR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Is this AIR a group, or is it another Pete Namlook album? Air is a group...a duo from France. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 4:20 pm Subject: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve_Whiteley@N... (Steve Whiteley) I'm a white boy from earth who currently resides in Southern California. I grew up in SW USA, high school in Minnesota (where I learned the fine art of German soccer from Teddy the East German WWII escapee Calculus teacher (Germany 2 USA 0 Just like Teddy said, Ouch! we will have our day)), College in Texas/New Mexico. My first TD exposure was probably the short pieces the media played before the NEWS/WEATHER/SPORTS/TRAFFIC. My first albums I heard were Atem/Alpha Centuri then Ricochet/Encore on tapes from a friend in college 80/81. The next summer I got Rubycon, Exit and Edgars solos Stuntman and Epsilon. This began my adventurous hobby of evaluating record stores thru out the states and abroad by there TD content. Alway buying anything I didn't have that I could afford. I never saw the Keep, but many TDs and solos did not show up again util the Internet. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 4:51 pm Subject: Re: cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tdune@a... Hi everybody!! Marcelo Gutierrez, originally from Santiago, Chile, now living in Long Island NY USA. First TD album heard was Phaedra and I was hooked, my favorites albums are Logos, Thief and Exit. Bye Marcelo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14695 Re: cities Jorge M. S. Figueiredo Tue 6/16/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 5:42 pm Subject: Re: cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jorge M. S. Figueiredo' Hi All! OK, here's another one from Portugal. I'm Jorge Figueiredo and I live in Coimbra. Unlike Oporto or Madeira, there is no special wine here, just one of the oldest universities of europe. bye for now, Jorge From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 7:27 pm Subject: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Ceb Blankenship, Jr.' I'm from Olney, Maryland (suburb of Washington, DC). Like Craig Shipley I first heard TD in '73 on WGTB FM in the wee hours of the morning (Phaedra). Own 70 TD cd's (replacing my old lps). Attended three TD concerts in DC: '86 Warner Theatre (favorite concert), '88 Kennedy Center and '92 Lisner Auditorium. Suffer from the same disease as most of you (why is it I have to have practically every thing they record???) Hello Armin (visited Monschau in '85) Craig (I sure miss WGTB) and Dano (always amusing and very informative) as well as all you guys on this great list. Super Lurker, Ceb Blankenship From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 6:49 pm Subject: DO NOT KILL THE LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Peter Ravn Please Dreamers Do not kill our beloved list with useless mails like 'Cities' and many other meaningless mails, that had been mailed in the last 3 months. I am afraid that the list is close to be closed! Such mails as this is just pure waste of time and space: 'I am living in X city and I like Y album and my Mom dont like any album at all' Please understand this list is for discussion on TANGERINE DREAM matters and not where AND WHY you live. The rest is pure waste of bandwidth..:-( Then we can ask the americans what they know about geography (big laugh in Europe!!!) Disussions like 'Cities' should be directed privately to the man who started the discussion. Then he can make a web page of the cities.. Sorry to interrupt you....I hope someone agrees...:-) Best regards Peter Ravn - Denmark, Europe peterravn@u... NP: Horns of Dooms and Macula Transfer (Manikin CD!) ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14698 Re: DO NOT KILL THE LIST SRiser3600@a... Tue 6/16/1998 2 KB 14699 Re: DO NOT KILL THE LIST Stu Tue 6/16/1998 4 KB 14700 Re: DO NOT KILL THE LIST Peter Ravn Tue 6/16/1998 3 KB 14702 Re: DO NOT KILL THE LIST Gabe Yedid Tue 6/16/1998 3 KB 14704 Re: DO NOT KILL THE LIST JMPoer Tue 6/16/1998 4 KB 14706 Re: DO NOT KILL THE LIST Michael Schuelke Wed 6/17/1998 4 KB 14716 Re: DO NOT KILL THE LIST TangerineC@a... Wed 6/17/1998 3 KB 14733 Re: DO NOT KILL THE LIST Steve Whiteley Thu 6/18/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 6:54 pm Subject: Re: DO NOT KILL THE LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: SRiser3600@a... isnt this just a personal opionion of what is important and what is not. sorry we are not as HIP as you From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 8:18 pm Subject: Re: DO NOT KILL THE LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Stu' > > Please Dreamers > > Do not kill our beloved list with useless mails like 'Cities' and many other meaningless mails, that had been mailed in the last 3 months. I am afraid that the list is close to be closed! > > Such mails as this is just pure waste of time and space: > 'I am living in X city and I like Y album and my Mom dont like any album at all' > > Please understand this list is for discussion on TANGERINE DREAM matters and not where AND WHY you live. The rest is pure waste of bandwidth..:-( > > Then we can ask the americans what they know about geography (big laugh in Europe!!!) > > Disussions like 'Cities' should be directed privately to the man who started the discussion. Then he can make a web page of the cities.. > > Sorry to interrupt you....I hope someone agrees...:-) > I don't agree at all we all love the wondrous creation of TD and it's off shoots...so we all are TD content already....it's always interesting to get into the background of the list members to understand how and why they comment both in the past and in future posts. While I agree w e can overdo this. One post per member on this is not ever going to happen , so why worry. At least we can always hit the delete button TD content or not I'll duck now and hide 'If you're going to be worried everytime the universe doesn't make sense.. natural life!' -G'Kar Babylon 5 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 7:50 pm Subject: Re: DO NOT KILL THE LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Peter Ravn Dear dreamers The real issue is why you don't discuss 'D:LIVE....' but only 'Cities' I thinks it is OK with clearly maked 'OFF TOPIC' discussion(s) but not 90% of the time. We all need time to rest :-) Regards Peter Ravn - peterravm@u... Net: http://www.dtv.dk/privat/pr/music.htm ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14702 Re: DO NOT KILL THE LIST Gabe Yedid Tue 6/16/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 3:31 pm Subject: Re: Some CDs to go ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Kenneth Wayne Beal On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, tadream mailing list wrote: > Dream Music (SILVA SCREEN SSD 1016) (just 9 $) > KLAUS SCHULZE > Moondawn (Brain 841353-2) (12 $) > All CDs are in mint condition, some even unplayed. The price include postage. My adress: markmast@k... > Marek The Alienist > howdy... I'm interested in the two above...still available? Is the first one vol 1 or 2? Ken From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 8:16 pm Subject: Re: DO NOT KILL THE LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Peter Ravn > > > Dear dreamers > > The real issue is why you don't discuss 'D:LIVE....' > but only 'Cities' Well I haven't really had time to slog through the deluge of tapes, and, now that I do, I lose access to my sound system for 2 weeks while my house is obligately remodeled! For what little I *have* heard, anything before 1974 is, for me, ground that is better not tread. Although, I *did* get quite a laugh out of those 'Ones' tunes! Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 9:18 pm Subject: Digest 312 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' Did everyone else receive a clipped digest? I even pulled one back from majordomo and that was short too... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 9:30 pm Subject: Re: DO NOT KILL THE LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: JMPoer At 06:49 PM 6/16/98 +0000, you wrote: >Really-From: Peter Ravn > > >Please Dreamers > >Do not kill our beloved list with useless mails like 'Cities' and many other meaningless mails, that had been mailed in the last 3 months. I am afraid that the list is close to be closed! > >Such mails as this is just pure waste of time and space: >'I am living in X city and I like Y album and my Mom dont like any album at all' > >Please understand this list is for discussion on TANGERINE DREAM matters and not where AND WHY you live. The rest is pure waste of bandwidth..:-( > >Then we can ask the americans what they know about geography (big laugh in Europe!!!) > >Disussions like 'Cities' should be directed privately to the man who started the discussion. Then he can make a web page of the cities..  > >Sorry to interrupt you....I hope someone agrees...:-) > >Best regards >Peter Ravn - Denmark, Europe Peter, I'm not sure you are entirely wrong, but the list is free to be what the people on it want it to be. The list of cities could actually be more than just interesting. When someone really needs that 'important missing item', knowing where someone else on the list is could help in the search. A tiny bit of tolerance can go quite a long ways. JMO John jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re Kurt Loder's Comment on TD (was Something funny...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:58:40 -0700 >Subject: Re: Something funny... >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Elias Granillo, Jr. > >|Subject: Re: AMP!...is it ever coming back? >|From: soulabuse@a... (SoulAbuse) >|Date: 1998/06/14 >|Message-ID: <1998061403334000.XAA20956@l...> >|Newsgroups: alt.rave >| >|>I heard Kurt Loder mention names like Hawkwind, Tangerine Dream, and >|>Eno at times, so I get the feeling he is somewhat knowledgable [. . .] >| >|You probably didn't hear his full sentence. What he was saying was, >|'Hawkwind? Tangerine Dream? Eno? They don't sound like they have any >|cash... who the hell are these people? Has Puff Daddy done anything >|with them? Maybe we can put them on at 2 in the morning where noone >|will really notice...' >|Well, maybe.... >|p e @ c e >|SemaJ Elias, This is a great quote. I assume that it's something that Kurt Loder said on the MTV News during the Amp show. Is this correct? Also, when did Loder say this (actual date)? And would it be possible to get ahold of more of the quote so that the TD-related comment could be put more in context? Regardless of the outcome of your searching for more on this, I will use it as a new sig tag-line, thusly . . . -- Steven Feldman --------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Hawkwind? Tangerine Dream? Eno? They don't sound like they have any cash . . . who the hell are these people? Has Puff Daddy done anything with them? Maybe we can put them on at two in the morning where no one will really notice . . .' --Kurt Loder, 1998. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14720 Re: Re Kurt Loder's Comment on TD (was Something Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 6/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 10:47 pm Subject: Re: DO NOT KILL THE LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Schuelke Hey sorry, but i think this is a way too. You can find some TD People close to you. For example one extract from this action could be getting to know some fans/members in your neighbourhood...........The list will become more familiar. If you only discuss TD and not the surrounding IMO the list will die. remarkable the number of answers.... tadream mailing list schrieb: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Peter Ravn > > Please Dreamers > > Do not kill our beloved list with useless mails like 'Cities' and many other meaningless mails, that had been mailed in the last 3 months. I am afraid that the list is close to be closed! > > Such mails as this is just pure waste of time and space: > 'I am living in X city and I like Y album and my Mom dont like any album at all' > > Please understand this list is for discussion on TANGERINE DREAM matters and not where AND WHY you live. The rest is pure waste of bandwidth..:-( > > Then we can ask the americans what they know about geography (big laugh in Europe!!!) > > Disussions like 'Cities' should be directed privately to the man who started the discussion. Then he can make a web page of the cities.. > > Sorry to interrupt you....I hope someone agrees...:-) > > Best regards > Peter Ravn - Denmark, Europe > peterravn@u... > > NP: Horns of Dooms and Macula Transfer (Manikin CD!) > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 -- _______________________________ EVERY MAN DIES, NOT EVERY MAN REALLY LIVES. _______________________________ Michael Schülke braveheart@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: 'set of five CD's for sale at the Ebay auction house' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:49:07 -0400 (EDT) you said: >Subject: Re: CD's for sale >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: blazzer891@w... (John BLAZZER891) > >Hello. I have a set of five CD's for sale at the Ebay auction house at >the following address if anyone is interested. What set is *this*????? Is it TANGENTS? Is it DREAM ROOTS? What the heck?!?! X-0 >eBay item 17364096 (Ends 06/20/98 05:43:56 PDT) - Tangerine Dream CD set >Address:http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=17364096 This told me nothing. >Bored? Take a trip to my homepage!!!!!!! >http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/a/blazzer891.html And neither did the above. You don't really expect anybody outside of Lars and Vic to bid on something sight unseen, do you? ;) -- Steven Feldman --------------------------------------------------------------------- 'I don't give a damn on what the journalists are saying. If some dog pees at a tree, the tree won't fall down!' -- Klaus Kinski Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14714 Re: 'set of five CD's for sale at the Ebay auctio Greg Heil Wed 6/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 16, 1998 11:10 pm Subject: set of five CD's for sale a Didnt think there would be such a problem with my post!!! Thanks for taking the time to read this, John Bored? Take a trip to my homepage!!!!!!! http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/a/blazzer891.html From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: 'set of five CD's for sale at the Ebay auction house' To: tadream mailing list John, And here's a copy of this note for *you*, in case you aren't actually subscribed to the tadream list): -- Steven Feldman ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:49:07 -0400 (EDT) you said: >Subject: Re: CD's for sale >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: blazzer891@w... (John BLAZZER891) > >Hello. I have a set of five CD's for sale at the Ebay auction house at >the following address if anyone is interested. What set is *this*????? Is it TANGENTS? Is it DREAM ROOTS? What the heck?!?! X-0 >eBay item 17364096 (Ends 06/20/98 05:43:56 PDT) - Tangerine Dream CD set >Address:http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=17364096 This told me nothing. >Bored? Take a trip to my homepage!!!!!!! >http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/a/blazzer891.html And neither did the above. You don't really expect anybody outside of Lars and Vic to bid on something sight unseen, do you? ;) -- Steven Feldman --------------------------------------------------------------------- 'I don't give a damn on what the journalists are saying. If some dog pees at a tree, the tree won't fall down!' -- Klaus Kinski From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: CYCLONE, Car Crashes, TANGERINE AMBIENCE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, I don't mean to make light of people's misfortunes with car crash incidents, but . . . the cover version of 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' that is on the TANGERINE AMBIENCE--A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM CD intros and outtros the main portion of the song to the sound of squeeling skidding tires! Just thought some of you might find that interesting/creepy. -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14715 Re: CYCLONE, Car Crashes, TANGERINE AMBIENCE TangerineC@a... Wed 6/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: KEEP LD w/ Commentary Track: No Such Animal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman I've asked around and it seems like there is no such thing. Maybe I misinterpreted something that was posted to this list a few months ago: I'm not sure. I corresponded with VIDEO WATCHDOG's soundtrack editor, and he says there is not LD with a commentary track that he knows of. Both he and KEEP author F. Paul Wilson both have copies of the LD, and neither copy has a commentary track. Well, that's one KEEP will'o'the'wisp to put to sleep (unless one turns up, that is, heh, along with an American-released PINNACLES). -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 2:42 am Subject: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Doug Pearson Weare, NH -dep- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14722 Re: Cities Plumer, Scott Wed 6/17/1998 2 KB 14723 Re: Cities jowers Wed 6/17/1998 2 KB 14729 Re: Cities SRiser3600@a... Wed 6/17/1998 2 KB 14731 Re: Cities =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui? Wed 6/17/1998 4 KB 14746 Re: Cities szatmari pal Thu 6/18/1998 4 KB 14777 Re; Over/Underrated (was Re: Cities) Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Fri 6/19/1998 4 KB 14792 Re: Cities Mark Fonda Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB 14831 Cities Ian Shillingford Sun 6/21/1998 2 KB 14906 Cities Patric Donaghy Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 3:12 am Subject: True Emotions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Another sampler I thought I'd bring up for those that may not know: Various Artists (VA) - True Emotions US Simitar Entertainment 55212, 1997 TD: Track 12: Movements of a Visionary Other artists: Mark Isham, Nicholas Gunn, Craig Chaquico, Kevin Kern, Acoustic Alchemy, Micheal Gettel, Ottmar Liebert, Jan Hammer, 3rd Force, Patrick O'Hearn, Zazen, Tangerine Dream. BTW, when I played this CD at my mother's house over a cup of tea the response was mute. That is, she never commented on any track until the last one came on (TD of course, amongst this new age stuff) and she snapped and said what's this? Kind of cool... I really like it! Then I realized where I came from ;-) > And neither did the above. You don't really expect anybody outside >of Lars and Vic to bid on something sight unseen, do you? ;) ????? ;-) ?????? ;-) ????? :-) Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 11:37 am Subject: Geography Quiz (was DO NOT KILL THE LIST) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: nospamboretz@p... (Alex Boretz) On 16 Jun 1998 18:55:59 GMT, in uwp.maillist.tadream you wrote: >Really-From: Peter Ravn > >Please Dreamers > >Do not kill our beloved list with useless mails like 'Cities' and many other meaningless mails, >that had been mailed in the last 3 months. I am afraid that the list is close to be closed! 'Kill'? 'Meaningless mails' can kill a list?? I think you're over reacting. I think you should have written, 'mean mail' can kill a list. (or certainly its' spirit of comradship) Calm down Dreamer. Why not kick back and listen to 'Zeit' for heaven's sake. ;-) > >{snip snip} > >Then we can ask the americans what they know about geography >(big laugh in Europe!!!) Ah! I see!! You're a Euro-bigot! My geography teacher warned me about guys like you. First off, 'America' is spelled with a capital letter 'A'. Secondly, I hereby challenge you to a geography quiz right here on this list! Quick (and without looking at an Atlas) which state, of these glorious, freedom loving, party hopping, over consuming, United States of America, would you find the Mojave Desert in? No cheating! If you're right I'll eat my Zeit CD. ;-> And, just to keep this post on-topic - Does anyone know what Ralph Wadephul has been up to lately? Always ready to laugh out loud - at and with Dreamers the world over. Alex Boretz - California, United States of Amerika :-D NP: Mojave Plan (Desert) ;-> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 4:58 am Subject: Re: 'set of five CD's for sale at the Ebay auction house' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' reprinted from: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=17364096 'Rare collection of 5 Tangerine dream bootleg concert CD's. Included in the set are as follows: Acoustic LSD, Soundtrack for Fantasy, Ardem 'O', Me-Rad,and Collected Endings. All CD's are in excellent condition and would make a great addition to your Tangerine dream collection! Shipping will be $5 dollars and will ship to U.S. street addresses only by UPS. Thank you for looking and GOOD LUCK!!! ' 'Tangerine Dream CD set (Item #17364096) Current bid $50.00 Bid increment $1.00 Minimum bid $51.00 ' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 6:20 am Subject: Re: CYCLONE, Car Crashes, TANGERINE AMBIENCE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... That's right Steve!!! I forgot about that! This is getting creepier by the minute. :) Screaching tires is the last thing I heard when the car hit me. Anybody else with a creepy Cyclone experience? Tom In a message dated 98-06-16 21:32:06 EDT, you write: << Steven Feldman Folks, I don't mean to make light of people's misfortunes with car crash incidents, but . . . the cover version of 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' that is on the TANGERINE AMBIENCE--A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM CD intros and outtros the main portion of the song to the sound of squeeling skidding tires! Just thought some of you might find that interesting/creepy. >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 7:44 am Subject: Re: DO NOT KILL THE LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... I think the cities thread is very interesting. I like to see were fellow TD fans come from and what started them on TD. From the looks of it, they are from every corner of the world. Tom In a message dated 98-06-16 14:51:57 EDT, you write: << Please understand this list is for discussion on TANGERINE DREAM matters and not where AND WHY you live. The rest is pure waste of bandwidth..:-( >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 8:51 am Subject: Re: Cyclone, car crashes, cities and nuttiness! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ami.hassinen@e... (Hassinen Ami) >BTW, I failed to add to my 'Cities' reply the fact that Encore, Rubycon, >Ricochet and Phaedra are my current fave albums. First exposure: Atem, first >concert was Bradford, UK on 26th November 1974 during my 2nd year at Univ. >Cheers, >Steve. Hey Steve! Do us a big favour and give us your recollections (if you have any ;-)) on that Bradford gig! Now that would be a treat for us youngsters...and on-topic too!!! Go Stephen Go!!! cheerio, Ami (hometown Kokkola. Now THAT would make any geography quizzer´s face go white...:) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 8:48 am Subject: Dream Roots disc 4. Help!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... I posted this message a couple of weeks ago. I guess nobody replied because of the Dream Dice controversy, so here it goes again. If any one can help, I appreciate it: Somebody HELP! My girlfriend(God Bless Her!!!), accidently has thrown out disc 4 of Dream Roots. It was on the living room table between newspapers she was reading, and got thrown out. Luckily the disc itself was in the cd player at the time. But now I have a disc with no case or inserts. I have an extra case for it, but no inserts. Can somebody please color copy the booklet to this disc and send it to me? If possible, copy everything even the titles on the back. Thank you very much. Tom Please e-mail me at TangerineC@a... for my home address if you can help. Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 9:37 am Subject: Re: cities? OK I'll bite ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Colin Knowles-Spittle Hi Michael.. I'm only responding to this because since there dosen't seem to enough UK people here... Originally from Barrow-in-Furness (near the Lake District if anyone wants to know), now living and working (upto September that is) in Manchester (UK). TTFN Colin -- Manchester University Tel: 0161 275 4521 Fax: 0161 275 4512 E-mail:CKnowles@d... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 9:38 am Subject: Re: Re Kurt Loder's Comment on TD (was Something funny...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > > >|Subject: Re: AMP!...is it ever coming back? > >|From: soulabuse@a... (SoulAbuse) > >| > >|You probably didn't hear his full sentence. What he was saying was, > >|'Hawkwind? Tangerine Dream? Eno? They don't sound like they have any > >|cash... who the hell are these people? Has Puff Daddy done anything > >|with them? Maybe we can put them on at 2 in the morning where noone > >|will really notice...' > >|Well, maybe.... > >|p e @ c e > >|SemaJ > > Elias, > This is a great quote. I assume that it's something that Kurt Loder > said on the MTV News during the Amp show. Is this correct? Also, when > did Loder say this (actual date)? And would it be possible to get ahold > of more of the quote so that the TD-related comment could be put more in > context? It's definitely Loader, I mean Loder, and I bet if you email whatshisface up there, he should have the date and quote for you. I happened upon that post totally by accident, hehe. E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 8:23 am Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Stephen Yensen Peter wrote: << Dreamers Do not kill our beloved list with useless mails like 'Cities' and many other meaningless mails, that had been mailed in the last 3 months. I am afraid that the list is close to be closed! >> Maybe you do have a point, but I'm afraid I disagree. Actually, the number of replies to the 'Cities' post must mean something ... maybe the majority of the list like this current thread! (infinitely better than football IMO) Steven wrote: << I don't mean to make light of people's misfortunes with car crash incidents, but . . . the cover version of 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' that is on the TANGERINE AMBIENCE--A TRIBUTE TO TANGERINE DREAM CD intros and outtros the main portion of the song to the sound of squeeling skidding tires! Just thought some of you might find that interesting/creepy. >> Spooky! That's it. I'm never going to drive with Cyclone playing again. Steve. np: Cyclone (in the office, well away from my car!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14836 noexit@m... Sun 6/21/1998 2 KB 14854 Alf van Beem Mon 6/22/1998 2 KB 14882 Re: Michael Schuelke Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 14888 Re: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui? Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 14889 Re: Sean Montgomery Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 15126 John BLAZZER891 Mon 6/29/1998 3 KB 15129 Re: feldon@p... Tue 6/30/1998 3 KB 15144 Re: J.E.Owens@A... Tue 6/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 1:56 pm Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' I don't agree. > Then we can ask the americans what they know about geography (big laugh in Europe!!!) > Shutting down the 'Cities' thread won't do anything to help. If you don't want useless threads, don't start slagging the US again. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 2:21 pm Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'jowers' Born in Louisiana, raised in Louisiana, and presently live in.......Louisiana. (Is there anybody else from this good old state???) I love taking up all this bandwidth!!!!! Kevin ps- I have found this thread to be most interesting. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 4:36 pm Subject: cities and stuff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Meshy someone ask of ralph w. he apparantly had a compuserve email address at one time, but my mail to him got bounced when I tried it. Denton Texas usa online since 93, TDer since c86/87, first td cds risky business. faves: tangram, hyperborea, pergamon. never seen td live. fave bands: TD and related, Steely Dan and related, Jeff Beck, Ashra. about that Kurt lowder quote, ('who the hell are these bands?'); there actually good composers/musicans, something MTV/kurt wouldn't know much about. :) later on rr decapolis np: scorpions hurricane rock From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 4:42 pm Subject: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> techies, gearheads, & musicians, I have been thinking about buying a keyboard/synthesizer so I'm seeking some advice. First, however, let me say that I have no intentions of becoming a e-musician or releasing music ;-) Moreover, I won't be buying this immediately but, perhaps, sometime in the next year (depending on $$). I've been thinking about music lessons for my kids; I *used to play* (eg I'm NOT a musician) piano, drums, and brass instruments... but living in an apartment below the landlords/owners procludes any thought of buying/renting a piano... I thought, perhaps, an electronic keyboard might work -- one with the potential for me to tinker with as well ;-) 1) what brands/models do you recommend? 2) what features and 'accessories' are really required? (eg: stands, computer, software, speakers, amps???) 3) what price ranges are we talking about? 4) Should one buy used equipment? and how fast is this technology changing? 5) do you also have to buy a bunch of modules/presets or do some models come with enough for the amateur? you can reply to me off-list if you don't want to tweak anyone's knobs ;-) (or on-list if anyone else is interested) lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14726 Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Westerma Wed 6/17/1998 4 KB 14727 Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians Marcel Engels Wed 6/17/1998 6 KB 14728 Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians Jens Peschke Wed 6/17/1998 3 KB 14739 Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 6/18/1998 7 KB 14740 Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 6/18/1998 4 KB 14741 Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 6/18/1998 4 KB 14755 Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians Erik Sanborn Thu 6/18/1998 3 KB 14761 Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui? Thu 6/18/1998 3 KB 14773 Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians mark chmielewski Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 6:28 pm Subject: re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Westermark?=' >I have been thinking about buying a keyboard/synthesizer so I'm seeking I think one measure of the quality of a group is how many of its listeners it inspires to buy gear, form a band, etc. TD should rank quite high on that scale. >1) what brands/models do you recommend? All companies have during the years made good and bad gear... Roland, for example, made fantastic analogue gear but the later digitals of the eighties are in my opinion boring. This is really a matter of tastes! Each brand has it's character though, and I suggest you go to a store and try them all out, carefully. >2) what features and 'accessories' are really required? (eg: stands, >computer, software, speakers, amps???) If you want to sequence music you need a computer and sequencing software. If you go for an old analogue, you will need a MIDI-CV adapter (and really several synths if you want to make songs...) for sequencing and an effects rack. Newer synths ofter have built-in effects. And I recommend you buy something with sampling capacities if you're not extremely retro. >3) what price ranges are we talking about? A used analogue, a used sampler and effects for under, say, 800$ >4) Should one buy used equipment? and how fast is this technology changing? Yeah, sure. Not as fast as ten years ago. >5) do you also have to buy a bunch of modules/presets or do some models >come with enough for the amateur? Many cheap models are capable of producing 32-voice polyphonic and, say, 16-multitimbral (different sounds at the same time) with professional sound quality. You will be surprised and disappointed when you recognize how many (especially Korg) presets that TD has used during the nineties... not very creative. I'm not a fan of their current period, though, actually I haven't met anyone who likes it here in Sweden. Sounds so much eighties. But many (of course including myself) like their older works which sound more modern and is getting played both at clubs and on the air sometimes. /Paul From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 6:57 pm Subject: RE: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > > techies, gearheads, & musicians, > > I have been thinking about buying a keyboard/synthesizer so I'm seeking > some advice. (snip) > 1) what brands/models do you recommend? Hmmm, thats difficult. One guy swears by Moog and the other by Roland (or whatever). But if you buy 'just' one synth, then you must go for one that is 16 parts multi-timbral. This way you can have (for instance): strings, piano, bass, drums etc till all 16 parts are filled. If you go for a superb MiniMoog you won't be able to play more then one note. I must say I haven't following the latest stuff that is around, but a Kurzweill is a great synth which has it all (incl. the price). I haven't been a fan of the latest Roland equipment (sorry Roland fans). You should ALWAYS check out the filter. It's one of the most important things in a synth. It should go all the way to self-oscillation. But I really think it's best to hear them yourself. > 2) what features and 'accessories' are really required? (eg: stands, > computer, software, speakers, amps???) You can always buy a stand later. I use my old and trusty (NEVER crashed) Atari 1040ST+Cubase for sequencing and my PC+SoundForge for mastering. You can also use your PC with any ordinary soundcard, as long as it has a MPU401/Joystick connection (all Soundblasters). Software is also a matter of taste, some like Cakewalk, others Cubase (like me) If you're in desperate need of music-software for PC, mail me off-list. (and this only applies to Lars!). Speakers/Amps - well, I have connected everything to my stereo-set. > 3) what price ranges are we talking about? Kurzweill = expensive Ensoniq = expensive Roland = oke Kawai = cheap, but very good imo (I still use my K4) Korg = oke. Don't know exactly the prices, it's different for some countries. > 4) Should one buy used equipment? and how fast is this technology > changing? I've bought a few things 2nd hand and it still works like new. So no, it's absolutely no problem to buy 2nd hand. As long as you can test it. Well, the MiniMoog (filter) is still a synth which others synths have to compete with. I don't think in technology, every synth has its own character. Nowadays you can buy 64 voice or even more polyphonic synths, but I'm absolutely not interested in THAT. I mean: who's actually going to use 64 voices? Just bought an Access Virus 3 months ago which 'only' has 12 voices but has a superb sound (and filters) and I can do lots of great things with it. > 5) do you also have to buy a bunch of modules/presets or do some models > come with enough for the amateur? Modules? You mean 19' modules? You need a keyboard to play, don't you? :-) I even heard of guys who do everything with the computer - no playing at all, just entering notes on a screen???? I can't imagine that, it would take me ages to make music that way. > you can reply to me off-list if you don't want to tweak anyone's > knobs ;-) > (or on-list if anyone else is interested) I'm going to find out soon enough whether 'they' were interested... Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... also just buy some magazines and read some reviews. It's a fun way to find out more about equipment. Keyboard (American/German), Sound On Sound and Future Music are great. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 7:24 pm Subject: Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Lars, well if you don't wanna spend too much money for gear, first finding out if it's any fun for you, you might start with a cheap GM Keyboard (Yamaha PSR 220 for less than 300 bucks), (or a cheap Roland MIDI controller Keyboard for less than 100 bucks) a cheap soundcard and some sequencer software (free eval copies will do). The sounds would be a bit limited, but it's enough to find out, if it's worth to spend more money. If so, you can buy sound modules and more gear sooner or later, still using the mentioned Keyboard as Master Keyboard. Then ask again and we're speaking about US$1000 and more for new gear (Analogue mono synth, Polysynth, sampler). Kind Regards Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 9:02 pm Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: SRiser3600@a... kevin. where in louisiana I grew up in shreveport left in 79 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Re: KEEP LD w/ Commentary Track??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Flemming Larsen Scott.Plumer wrote : > > So, could *somebody* kindly at least tell me the catalogue >number for the version of THE KEEP laserdisk that has a commentary >track? Info like year of release, issuing company, catalog number, etc. > > I think _I_ was the one who first mentioned that there _might_ >be an LD with a commentary track, but I never said I've ever seen one or >heard of one. The Criterion collection puts out LD's with commentary >tracks on them, but they haven't released The Keep. My friend has Thief, >but it's just a 'director's edition' not a Criterion. I'm still waiting for 'The Keep' on Laserdisc. I ordered it about a week ago. According to the shop where I ordered it, there are two releases of 'The Keep'. One really really old version, which is in regular TV format, and the one I ordered in Letterbox format. The guy in the shop said that none of the Laserdisc's contains a commentary track. Perhabs you've mixed up Thief and The Keep after all. The newest release of Thief on Laserdisc contains a commentary track. Needless to say I already have it :-) BTW. I recorded an interview with William Friedkin on TV the other day. He was talking about 'Sorceror'. Unfortunately he never mentioned a word about Tangerine Dream or the music. He talked about how the film was made, and how the film as a major flop affected him as a director. Flemming. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14732 Sorcerer OST Rainer Rutka Wed 6/17/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 9:04 pm Subject: RE: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= There was the KEEP Then there was about THE KEEP There was DD Then there was about price of DD There was cities Then there was about cities Generally, I propose to discuss about discussions : every one can submit an idea (even 2 ot 3) But I like the discussions upon the discussion. Is it good or bad ? Is it cheap or expensive ? Is it sex or pornography ? Is it waste of time or bandwidth ? Is it TD or non TD ? Is it TD short related or TD far related ? Is it democracy or absence of Diktatur ? Football or tennis ? Give up the (good) idea(s) and let's discuss about discussion. For example for the topic A, you should not give examples about A but discuss about A - If you like recursion, you may speak about discussions about discussions about A. And I hope someone will tell what he thinks about this mail. Boy, this is not TD list, this is Monty Python list ! A list cannot be always ideas, information, etc. Let's discuss. Is it the third floor really EF drops the mellotron or only the second floor ? You know I am mad but I know what I like. Absence of Schmoeling is not the Schmoelling of absence. Np : Logos + Hyperborea Where were you on jan/31/1980 ? ? When have you heard Force Majeure for the last time ? What's the difference between a pigeon ? How old was Jesus Christ ? Joke mode off End of file Sorry if you didn't understand everything, I have to improve my philosophical english. Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 12:32 am Subject: Sorcerer OST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Rainer Rutka On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > BTW. I recorded an interview with William Friedkin on TV the other day. > He was talking about 'Sorceror'. Unfortunately he never mentioned a word > about Tangerine Dream or the music. He talked about how the film was > made, > and how the film as a major flop affected him as a director. > Flemming. Just heard that TD recorded some hours (!) of music for Sorcerer ! Where are the tapes ????? Is where anybody who knows more ? Rainer np: Jon Lord: Sarabande From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 12:09 am Subject: Re: DO NOT KILL THE LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve_Whiteley@N... (Steve Whiteley) Just to let you read it one more time, comments at the end. >Really-From: Peter Ravn >Please Dreamers >Do not kill our beloved list with useless mails like 'Cities' and many other >meaningless mails, that had been mailed in the last 3 months. I am afraid that >the list is close to be closed! >Such mails as this is just pure waste of time and space: >'I am living in X city and I like Y album and my Mom dont like any album at >all' >Please understand this list is for discussion on TANGERINE DREAM matters and >not where AND WHY you live. The rest is pure waste of bandwidth..:-( >Then we can ask the americans what they know about geography (big laugh in >Europe!!!) Bigger laugh in the Americas, maybe you should get to know us or at least put a smiley face to make it sound like a joke. I love geography, but not the political kind. >Disussions like 'Cities' should be directed privately to the man who started >the discussion. Then he can make a web page of the cities.. >Sorry to interrupt you....I hope someone agrees...:-) Nope, I hope to find more dreamers who live by me. >Beast regards >Peter Ravn - Denmark, Europe >peterravn@u... Peter is from Denmark, thanks for sharing. ;-D >NP: Horns of Dooms and Macula Transfer (Manikin CD!) At least your day wasn't that bad ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sincerly, Steve np: Star Spangled Banner From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 1:45 am Subject: Cacophony: Sunday & Beyond ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Rev Al' As always, please let us know if want off this list; we'll happily comply (Details below) This Sunday, June 21, 2 pm, join Cacophony as it tours the ECHO PARK HOLYLAND The Holyland Bible Knowledge Center, eccentric archeological museum complete with our own local version of the Ark of the Covenant. Reconstructed homes & markets, costumed guides, musty displays on the 'eye-o-graphic' system of bible memorization, a tree burnt in the shape of a cross at Hiroshima and more! Cost: $2.50 for tour. Where: 2215 Lake View. (Group tours only. Please do not drop by unscheduled) NEXT WEEK: Grandma Prisbrey's Bottle Village NEW... DISCUSSION LIST! Want to get MORE INVOLVED in Cacophony? Now LA Cacophony has a DISCUSSION LIST for announcing both 'planned chaos' and more spontaneous happenings. This is your chance to ad your own shrill voice to the schizophrenic chorus. An open forum for collective brainstorming or absurdist casting calls, it's also a friendly place to share a bit of nihilism or uriosities of local interest. TO SUBSCRIBE TO THE CACOPHONY DISCUSSION LIST, email an empty message to: la-cacophony-dis-subscribe@m... To unsubscribe from the regular announcement list (these mailings you already get) please send return mail with the words 'unsubscribe' anywhere in header or body. Thanks! 'Free web-based email available now at http://www.theglobe.com' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 1:47 am Subject: Re: Do not kill the lurkers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 98-06-17 00:38:14 EDT, you write: << >Really-From: Peter Ravn > >Please Dreamers > >Do not kill our beloved list with useless mails like 'Cities' and many other meaningless mails, >> I respect your love for TD and your site is really cool, but you are wrong here. This one thread has brought out more lurkers than any other I have yet seen. It can be quite intimidating to jump into the discussions since so many others have been here longer and know so much in great detail. I know I felt that way when I first joined (not for long though 8-)). If these lurkers can get a handle on trying to add something to the list, be accepted, and encouraged then we might get some more input and comments on subjects you find more agreeable later. Besides, I find it fascinating to see how many other countries and cultures are all being brought together by TD. Too bad we can't play their music at the next world peace conference if we ever have one. Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14738 Re: Do not kill the lurkers Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 6/18/1998 3 KB 14756 Re: Do not kill the lurkers Michael Schuelke Thu 6/18/1998 4 KB 14778 Re: Do not kill the lurkers Mark Burnett Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 2:09 am Subject: tadream-digest V16 #314 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: cosmos@c... hello would somebody please be so kind to send me the digest version #314 as my mailserver was not able to open it. every time i tried i had to reset my pc. thanks in advance for the help. best wishes from andre. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14737 Re: tadream-digest V16 #314 Joel Mullen Thu 6/18/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 2:47 am Subject: RE: tadream-digest V16 #314 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Joel Mullen > Really-From: cosmos@c... > > > hello > would somebody please be so kind to send me > the digest version #314 as my mailserver was not able to open it. > every time i tried i had to reset my pc. > thanks in advance for the help. > > best wishes from andre. I sent him # 314 15 minutes later. Just telling everyone so he doesn't get 20 messages. Joel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 2:52 am Subject: Re: Do not kill the lurkers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: AOutland@a... > > << >Really-From: Peter Ravn > > > >Please Dreamers > > > >Do not kill our beloved list with useless mails like 'Cities' and many other > meaningless mails, >> > I respect your love for TD and your site is really cool, but you are > wrong here. ---snip--- > Besides, I find it fascinating to see how many other > countries and cultures are all being brought together by TD. Too bad we can't > play their music at the next world peace conference if we ever have one. Dell ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ So long as Goblin's Club isn't played; that will trigger WWW III... E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 6:52 am Subject: Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >techies, gearheads, & musicians, Sociopaths, misfits... :-) >You can reply to me off-list if you don't want to tweak anyone's knobs ;-) >(or on-list if anyone else is interested) After the extensive Dream Dice (all No. American'ers reserve theirs' yet from Eurock?) and *Cities* threads, this is the perfect mega-thread with which to follow-up, and of course it will ALL be posted to the list :-) I see Jens and Marcel have already responded...those guys have the nitty gritty on the 'new wave' of analog synths like the Waldorf Pulse and the Axxess Virus, so I'll let them talk about those. Paul may want to add something on the Nord Modular. Let me combine #'s 1, 5 & 3 for the first response: >1) what brands/models do you recommend? >5) do you also have to buy a bunch of modules/presets or do some models >come with enough for the amateur? >3) what price ranges are we talking about? It depends on what kind of power, features and sounds you're looking for. For your applications and intentions, I recommend you acquire a *workstation* that combines synthesized/sampled waveforms, a disk drive (if possible) for info-storage, an instrument with a minimum of 16- or 32- (32 and 64 note-polyphony is very common nowadays) note polyphony, onboard effects and a sequencer all inside a 61-note keyboard. Dan & Riley, among others, will back me up on this, versus going the master kybd/modular route (just for now). Whether you're looking for great emulations of vintage analog synths, organs & pianos, or authentic reproductions of sampled orchestral/acoustic/electric instruments, etc., you'll find something to suit either/or, this/that, or everything! Your local Guitar Center showroom will have the following, and more: Korg N Series workstations: N264 (76-note keyboard) & N364 (61-note keyboard). 64-note polyphony. Onboard effects. Powerful & user-friendly 16-track sequencer. Aftertouch. Lotsa waveforms. Korg always has good piano sounds, even on its lower-end instruments. GC usually has this tagged for about $1000, new. Roland XP Series workstations: XP-10 (stay away!), XP-50 (better), XP-60 (even better, more sliders), XP-80 (76-note keyboard, only if you've got the bucks). This series is pretty good on the analog emulation front, like 'tron, etc., though the best sounds come from paying several hundred more for any of the eight expansion boards, like Vintage Synths, Orchestral, Keyboards of the 60s/70s, etc. Also has 64-note polyphony, aftertouch, ribbon controller, onboard FX and a versatile 16-track sequencer. The XP's are more expensive, e.g., about $1500-ish for the XP-60 and $2K+ for the XP-80. The presets in the XP's are above average, not throw-away stuff. Alesis QS6/QS7/QS8 (61-/76-/88-(weighted keys on the QS8) note keyboard synthesizers). They're not workstations because there's no sequencer onboard, but everything else is there. If they're on sale the two larger models will run from $1200-$1500 (list price is significantly higher). I must say that the Alesis QS6 is the best kybd-synth I've ever heard for under $1000, new (Guitar Center has them on sale, always, at about $799). It is capable of sounds for every application. It must be toyed with and heard to be believed, for that price. Really. Not to mention Erik Norlander and Mike Peake were involved in the Q Series' sound design. Great 'tron repro! Two of the above are prime examples of do-it-all-in-one-place units, hence the tag, 'workstations,' first used in the late 80s. They'll save you a lot of money versus getting a master keyb/synth, an optional module, an effects processor, perhaps an external sequencer (unless you're using Cubase or CakeWalk), and a drum machine. ------------------------------------------- >2) what features and 'accessories' are really required? (eg: stands, >computer, software, speakers, amps???) Stand: save the $$, get the old drafting table out of the garage. Speakers/Amps: a pair of good bass spkr. amps or keyboard spkr. amps, like Crate, will do the job and ease the strain on your pocketbook. Computer: If you're getting a workstation, don't buy sequencing software, obviously. That way, you can focus on *playing* the keys, rather than *tapping* the (comp) keys. ------------------------------------------- >4) Should one buy used equipment? and how fast is this technology changing? I'd only look into buying secondhand instruments from a close friend or a store so there's a return policy (like 30-day, etc.) and a receipt. The technology is always changing, whether it be backward, forward, sideway, etc. :-) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 7:03 am Subject: Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: '=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Westermark?=' > > >I have been thinking about buying a keyboard/synthesizer so I'm seeking > > I think one measure of the quality of a group is how many of its listeners it inspires to buy gear, form a band, etc. TD should rank quite high on that scale. With their track record in the 90s? Are you kidding? Everyone run for the prog-rock mail-order WWW sites!!! > >1) what brands/models do you recommend? > > All companies have during the years made good and bad gear... Roland, for example, made fantastic analogue gear but the later digitals of the eighties are in my opinion boring. Check out those Roland XP Series 'boards. > >2) what features and 'accessories' are really required? (eg: stands, > >computer, software, speakers, amps???) > > If you want to sequence music you need a computer and sequencing software. Not if you get a workstation. We need to minimize the amount of time between conceptualization and realization. Cubase sequencing, of course, has many powerful options, I do know. I'm just a backwards kinda guy. It's up to the user. Many great players are using Cubase with great results like (not) TD and (absolutely) Paul Nagle. Listen to the Elements series. E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 7:21 am Subject: Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > 3) what price ranges are we talking about? > ---snip--- > Ensoniq = expensive Some of the lower-end models aren't *too* much, like the KS-32 for $1299 (sale, not list, GC price). I heard it caters to piano and acoustic-instrument emulations, though, so *there's* the compromise! > Roland = oke > Kawai = cheap, but very good imo (I still use my K4) > Korg = oke. Check out my other post with the info on the N364. > Nowadays you can buy 64 voice or even more polyphonic synths, but I'm > absolutely > not interested in THAT. I mean: who's actually going to use 64 voices? Not Klaus Schulze ;-) > I even heard of guys who do everything with the computer - no playing at > all, > just entering notes on a screen???? I can't imagine that, it would take me > ages to make music that way. I'm glad Marcel brought this up. I'd rather listen to someone hold E-flat Major for twenty bars straight at 60 bpm rather than hear an Emerson/Wakeman-esque solo pasted together via mouse-pointer & comp. keyboard. If the fingers aren't depressing the ivories or the plastics, then it's just not real. One creating music via the latter method just isn't experiencing the *process,* and they're missing the point altogether. E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 9:48 am Subject: Dream Roots Disc4- Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... I just wanted to thank the helpful people on this list who can copy the Dream Roots 4 booklet for me. They are: Rainer Rutka, Francisco Salgado, Frederic Yargui and Joel Mullen. I already e-mailed the person who can do it for me. It's amazing how people on this list look out for each other and help. Thanks guys. Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 8:55 am Subject: Re: Bradford 1974 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Stephen Yensen Ami wrote: << Hey Steve! Do us a big favour and give us your recollections (if you have any ;-)) on that Bradford gig! Now that would be a treat for us youngsters...and on-topic too!!! Go Stephen Go!!! cheerio, Ami >> Ok, will do, as soon as I get my brain in gear ... Give me a little while, as it was over 23 years ago ... (I suddenly feel very ancient) BTW, was anyone else there at the gig? Cheers, Steve. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 17, 1998 11:02 am Subject: what colour?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'ashok prema' You wrote: Really-From: Steve_Whiteley@N... (Steve Whiteley) I'm a white boy from earth who currently resides in Southern California. I grew up in .................etc Is your colour really relevant?? I like to think we on the Digest are 'colour -blind'. Ash Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14751 Re: what colour?? Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Thu 6/18/1998 3 KB 14758 Re: what colour?? Marcel Engels Thu 6/18/1998 3 KB 14760 Re: what colour?? Glenn Reinicke Thu 6/18/1998 3 KB 14762 Re: what colour?? Jens Peschke Thu 6/18/1998 3 KB 14770 Re: what colour?? Elias Granillo, Jr. Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB 14774 Re: what colour?? mark chmielewski Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB 14785 what colour?? Steve Whiteley Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 1:08 pm Subject: RE: Cities, TD, football, DD and more! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' '...and our next contestant, please could you tell us your name and where you come from?' Conrad Gibbons, from Creeslough (population 900!), County Donegal in north-west Ireland. My homeplace is approx. 30 miles from Enya's and Clannad's homeplace (Gwedore). Studied in Letterkenny and Galway. Signed up to Tadream around '91. Worked in Belfast from '93 to '95 before moving to Coleraine for a year. Presently work in Letterkenny but live between Derry and Creeslough. Tadream lurker! Are there any more Irish Tadreamers out there on this list? Dermot Bradley is the only one I know of... Listening to Sojus from the Dream Mixes, wouldn't it make a good World Cup tune what with its crowd noises near the start and all? Has anyone complained to TDI about the gross pricing of DD and if so what was their reply? Is there a guestbook on the TDI sub-page? I guess they are afraid to put one up for fear of all the complaints likely to appear there. Anyone know if Thorbjorn Johannson from Sweden has an email address? He may have a hotmail account. I'd appreciate it if anyone can advise. Anyone know if there are any plans to release Luminous Visions in Europe? Regards, Conrad From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: szatmari pal Hi all, I found some food for thought in the following message sent by BOB: >Really-From: PW098@a... [...] >Most Overrated: Stratosfear A lot of people say that Stratosfear was the first really outstanding album by TD. IMO if you listen to their earlier albums, you can find a whole lot of outstanding stuff. Stratosfear just appealed to a wider range of people (IMO) >Most Underrated: Green Desert I still do not understand why it was not released at the time. Great tracks... While at it, I think White Eagle is also widely underrated. :-( >The interesting thing about this group > is the different TD tastes of the people on the list. I agree. I don't think there is another group that has such a diverse collection of works, thus different people find different things appealing to them. Shall I flame some of you by my affection of Tournado? :-) Paul P.S.: For my 'Cities' info please refer to my signiture. Paul Szatmari (szatmari@s...) ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ (English/Hungarian) translator (Tangerine) Dreamer Lover of dogs ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ Address: 18 Nador Str, 4400 Nyiregyhaza, Hungary ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tel: +36 20 652437 +36 42 462114 Fax: +36 42 402369 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14777 Re; Over/Underrated (was Re: Cities) Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Fri 6/19/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Wine or whine? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: szatmari pal >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >>[...] but I mean wine for sure, specially white >>Albari=F1o >>wine and a fantastic read wine from 'Ribeira Sacra', a >>place near the Sil river, grape variety called 'mencia' >>and 'Amandi' >You are doing a LOT better with English than I would >with Spanish, so the >only reason I even mentioned it because it was >specifically apropos to >our recent reaction to the Dice'm and Slice'm set. :-)) Yeah, I would have preferred a bottle of good wine to all that whining over DD and the TDI page. I live 30 km from Tokaj. >I will trade you a bottle of Egri Bikaver (Bull's Blood od >Eger, from Hungary) or Soproni Kekfrankos (?) :-) > for a bottle of Ribeira Sacra. Then we can both hit >Antonio up for a bottle of Madeira wine. :-) >Andrew :-)) PAul Paul Szatmari (szatmari@s...) ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ (English/Hungarian) translator (Tangerine) Dreamer Lover of dogs ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ Address: 18 Nador Str, 4400 Nyiregyhaza, Hungary ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tel: +36 20 652437 +36 42 462114 Fax: +36 42 402369 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14750 Re: Wine or whine? Francisco Salgado C. Thu 6/18/1998 4 KB 14764 Re: Wine or whine? Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 2:03 pm Subject: RE: Kurt Loder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >about that Kurt lowder quote, ('who the hell are these bands?'); there actually >good composers/musicans, something MTV/kurt wouldn't know much about. :) I wouldn't slag Kurt Loder. He's actually quite an elightened guy, and knows about & appreciates more varieties of music than he is given credit for. If that quote did in fact come from him (which I doubt) it was probably a joke, or he was parrotting the MTV Corp. party line. Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 2:09 pm Subject: RE: Sorceror OST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Just heard that TD recorded some hours (!) of music for Sorcerer ! Where >are the tapes ????? >Is where anybody who knows more ? Rainer, this is my Keep! on the back of the ST (I have the LP) Friedkin says he got a 90 min. tape from TD. The album's only 45 min., so that leaves 45 min. more music somewhere. I watched the movie in detail a couple months ago, and I think that the tracks on the ST may have been considerably longer, since they don't deal with specific events, but rather are impressions that Friedkin used at his whim. There was no music that I could catch in the film that wasn't on the ST, except for a piece, presumably by Keith Jarret, from the scene where some folks are flying in a helicopter surveying the oil well fire. So I have a feeling that the lost music of Sorceror really isn't lost at all. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14759 Dreamtimes Rainer Rutka Thu 6/18/1998 3 KB 14779 Re: Sorceror OST Antonio Nunes Fri 6/19/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 3:38 pm Subject: Re: Wine or whine? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' Hi Let's begin a really innovative activity : Instead of trading tapes let's trade Wine. After 4-4 years trading, instead of having a bunch of old and questionable sounding tapes we'll have a nice collection of 'wines of the world'. Maybe we could add another branch for beer trades and other one for apple wine ( very traditional in the north of Spain too, ( Asturias, Basque Country and Navarra) Maybe a forth for Schnapps Or whatever is the spelling. Francisco > Really-From: szatmari pal > > >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > > >>[...] but I mean wine for sure, specially white > >>Albari=F1o > >>wine and a fantastic read wine from 'Ribeira Sacra', a >>place near the Sil river, grape variety called 'mencia' >>and 'Amandi' > > >You are doing a LOT better with English than I would >with Spanish, so the > >only reason I even mentioned it because it was >specifically apropos to > >our recent reaction to the Dice'm and Slice'm set. :-)) > > Yeah, I would have preferred a bottle of good wine > to all that whining over DD and the TDI page. > I live 30 km from Tokaj. > > >I will trade you a bottle of Egri Bikaver (Bull's Blood od >Eger, from Hungary) > > or Soproni Kekfrankos (?) :-) > > > for a bottle of Ribeira Sacra. Then we can both hit >Antonio up for a bottle of Madeira wine. :-) > > >Andrew > > :-)) > PAul > > Paul Szatmari (szatmari@s...) > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > (English/Hungarian) translator > (Tangerine) Dreamer > Lover of dogs > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > Address: 18 Nador Str, > 4400 Nyiregyhaza, Hungary > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Tel: +36 20 652437 > +36 42 462114 > Fax: +36 42 402369 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 3:07 pm Subject: Re: what colour?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Really-From: 'ashok prema' > >Is your colour really relevant?? I like to think we on the Digest are >'colour -blind'. Of course it's relevant - it can tell you a lot about a person. Take me : I'm blue, that tells you I come from Scotland. I don't go on 'sun-worship' holidays because it takes me two weeks to turn white! (Flipancy aside, I agree with the sentiment, Ash). BTW, today I have listened to Lightwave - Tycho Brahe Artemiy Artimiev - Point of Intersection Kluster - Klopfzeichen Madchen on the Stairs CDS Shepherd's Bush Without really thinking about it, I'm still listening to TD related stuff. Amazing! ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 4:33 pm Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #315 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: cosmos@c... > >Really-From: Joel Mullen >> hello >> would somebody please be so kind to send me >> the digest version #314 as my mailserver was not able to open it. >> every time i tried i had to reset my pc. >> thanks in advance for the help. >> >> best wishes from andre. > > I sent him # 314 15 minutes later. Just telling everyone so he >doesn't get 20 messages. > >Joel hello and thanks for your kind support to everyone. best wishes from andre. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 4:45 pm Subject: d:live posts or lack thereof ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> thanks to those who have posted on the D:live stuff. I recently heard from some folks who said they haven't contributed to the d:live discourse because they didn't like some of the material. This is of course is to be expected with the early material.. I hope anyone who doesn't like the stuff will just say so and not hold back -- you won't hurt my feelings ;-) lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14776 Re: d:live posts or lack thereof TangerineC@a... Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB 14808 Re: d:live posts or lack thereof TangerineC@a... Sat 6/20/1998 3 KB 14837 Re: d:live posts or lack thereof Steve Yensen Sun 6/21/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 4:45 pm Subject: TD-Chi Coltrane CD Single for Sale/Trade ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers I've recently come across a copy of that *super-rare* TD-Chi Coltrane CD single 'I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You.' I'll consider trade and/or cash *OFFERS* until Monday sometime--to give you lurkers and digestees a chance to bid. The buyer is also responsible for US insured priority postage or international insured airmail postage . E-mail me **OFF LIST** please lars Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14812 Re: TD-Chi Coltrane CD Single for Sale/Trade Brian E. Kirby Sat 6/20/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 5:23 pm Subject: Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > >techies, gearheads, & musicians, > >I have been thinking about buying a keyboard/synthesizer so I'm seeking >some advice. (snip) >1) what brands/models do you recommend? (snip) There can be only one logical answer: a Mellotron! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Erik Court-jester-at-large 'Absence of Schmoelling is not the Schmoelling of absence.' - Fred the mad man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 5:39 pm Subject: Re: Do not kill the lurkers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Schuelke well spoken!! i completely agree with you... so lurkers and non lurkers give me some days to complete the 'cities' list. it has still incoming post.... Michael tadream mailing list schrieb: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: AOutland@a... > > In a message dated 98-06-17 00:38:14 EDT, you write: > > << >Really-From: Peter Ravn > > > >Please Dreamers > > > >Do not kill our beloved list with useless mails like 'Cities' and many other > meaningless mails, >> > I respect your love for TD and your site is really cool, but you are > wrong here. This one thread has brought out more lurkers than any other I have > yet seen. It can be quite intimidating to jump into the discussions since so > many others have been here longer and know so much in great detail. I know I > felt that way when I first joined (not for long though 8-)). If these lurkers > can get a handle on trying to add something to the list, be accepted, and > encouraged then we might get some more input and comments on subjects you find > more agreeable later. Besides, I find it fascinating to see how many other > countries and cultures are all being brought together by TD. Too bad we can't > play their music at the next world peace conference if we ever have one. Dell -- _______________________________ EVERY MAN DIES, NOT EVERY MAN REALLY LIVES. _______________________________ Michael Schülke braveheart@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 6:01 pm Subject: Sonic Images Update ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Lastest news from Sonic Images: The 'Dark Skies' project by Michael Hoenig has been postponed indefintely even though the website says 12/98. This is probably due to legal reasons. The 'Tarzan' soundtrack by Chris Franke has also been terminated due to various reasons. One may attribute this to an astistic decision maybe? BTW, I've heard rumors that some promo material exists on this. This is not true. Also, has anyone obtained the lastest six Babylon 5 Episodic CDs? Anyone care to review? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 7:19 pm Subject: RE: what colour?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: 'ashok prema' > > You wrote: > > Really-From: Steve_Whiteley@N... (Steve Whiteley) > I'm a white boy from earth who currently resides in Southern California. I > grew up in .................etc > > > Is your colour really relevant?? I like to think we on the Digest are > 'colour -blind'. > > > Ash I'm all with you Ash, when I read this I thought: White boy? Do I have to know that? But thats maybe just my opinion. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 10:30 pm Subject: Dreamtimes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Rainer Rutka hi dreamers.. ... just a question. I got a copy of a CD named 'Dreamtimes'. Does anybody know a little bit of this one ? Date, place, tracklisting.... ? Seems to be from the 90ies. Thank you ! To Tom: Thank you for the flowers ;-) To Scott Plumer: Thank you _very_ much for your message about the 'lost Sorcerer tapes'. I hope somebody gets his wet fingers on it :*) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 8:10 pm Subject: RE: what colour?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Glenn Reinicke It's just a figure of speech, get over it. Steve is obviously proud to be a white boy and why shouldn't he be? If you're ashamed of your heritage, seek therapy and grow some thicker skin. Hey Steve . . . I'm a proud American flag waving conservative heterosexual white boy from Newport Beach, CA. And to really piss off these Europeans, after I get off work, my sexy white American girlfriend and I are going to make more little white Americans to populate the world. np: God Bless America > > Really-From: 'ashok prema' > > > > You wrote: > > > > Really-From: Steve_Whiteley@N... (Steve Whiteley) > > I'm a white boy from earth who currently resides in Southern > California. I > > grew up in .................etc > > > > > > Is your colour really relevant?? I like to think we on the Digest > are > > 'colour -blind'. > > > > > > Ash > > I'm all with you Ash, when I read this I thought: White boy? Do I have > to > know > that? > But thats maybe just my opinion. > > Marcel > Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels > Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 18, 1998 9:40 pm Subject: RE: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= Erik Court-jester-at-large 'Absence of Schmoelling is not the Schmoelling of absence.' - Fred the mad man I see I am making adepts. This evening, I would quote a sentence from Robert Fripp : Tuning a mellotron doesn't. So, you have been warned ! Mellotrons do not exist in digital (if so, then they are no longer mellotrons) Have someone tried to midify a mellotron ? Fred (MM) Np : nope (The Great Void Trio) PS : I love the sound of mellotron at night at the back of woods. PS2 : Every TD album is worth ; not every TD album is really affordable. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 20, 1998 9:56 pm Subject: Re: what colour?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: Glenn Reinicke >It's just a figure of speech, get over it. Steve is obviously proud to >be a white boy and why shouldn't he be? If you're ashamed of your >heritage, seek therapy and grow some thicker skin. Your skin is thick then? I'm afraid, I don't think so. No ? Why replying then that way ? >Hey Steve . . . I'm a proud American flag waving conservative >heterosexual white boy from Newport Beach, CA. And to really piss off >these Europeans, You rang ? >after I get off work, my sexy white American girlfriend >and I are going to make more little white Americans to populate the >world. Good luck ! Why do you think any of us Europeans is pissed off if you hop on your babe ? Did you use one of these new pills, btw ? Was it fun ? Do ya fuck yer chick every day ? >np: God Bless America Well, hopefully we don't have to read more of these postings ... Jens +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Colo(u)r doesn't matter: A white dump arse is still a dump arse. ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: 'Colour' and 'Colour-blindness' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:19:10 +0200 >Subject: RE: what colour?? >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Marcel Engels > >> Really-From: 'ashok prema' >> >> You wrote: >> >> Really-From: Steve_Whiteley@N... (Steve Whiteley) >> I'm a white boy from earth who currently resides in Southern >> California. I grew up in .................etc >> >> Is your colour really relevant?? I like to think we on the Digest are >> 'colour -blind'. If everyone's supposed to be 'colour-blind,' why is it some people describe themselves as 'people of color' (which, linguistically, is nearly the same as 'coloured people'!)? X-0 Don't you think it's a might hard to celebrate Multicultural Diversity(tm) if you don't let everone celebrate their diversity? It seems to me that everybody except white people are invited to this 'celebration,' if you know what I mean. >I'm all with you Ash, when I read this I thought: White boy? Do I have >to know that? But thats maybe just my opinion. I am white, adopted, Jewish, left-handed, left-footed, right-eyed, semi-vegetarian, semi-bisexual, a closeted cross-dresser, I 'dress right' (the clothier/tailors' term for indicating that one's penis hangs towards the right in one's pants), am a Democrat, believe in reincarnation but do not rule Jesus out as being who he said he was, have seen what might be UFOs three times now -- have I left anything out? ;) I didn't say honky, foundling, kyke, witch, veggie, etc. -- now did I? So what the heck's wrong with white? Jeesh. -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14765 Re: 'Colour' and 'Colour-blindness' Sean Montgomery Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB 14769 Re: 'Colour' and 'Colour-blindness' TWeibre361@a... Fri 6/19/1998 2 KB 14790 New KW tour (was Re: 'Colour' and 'Colour-blindn Gabe Yedid Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB 14771 Re: 'Colour' and 'Colour-blindness' Elias Granillo, Jr. Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB 14772 Re: 'Colour' and 'Colour-blindness' Greg Heil Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 12:10 am Subject: Re: Wine or whine? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 11:49 PM 6/17/1998 PDT, Paul wrote: >Yeah, I would have preferred a bottle of good wine >to all that whining over DD and the TDI page. >I live 30 km from Tokaj. My FRIEND! Where have you been all my life? :-)) > >>I will trade you a bottle of Egri Bikaver (Bull's Blood od >Eger, from Hungary) > >or Soproni Kekfrankos (?) :-) Absolutely. We also liked the Debroi Harslevelu we had in Toronto last year. Maybe we can a round-table of wine exchanging...I know of some willing tadream participants who would not sneer at the idea. More appropriate to the TD theme...(for the sake of purists)... I wonder if there is, in people's mind, a wine or drink that goes along with specific Tangerine Dream tracks or albums. Since TD's music is not the kind to blow off, that is one has to be actively engaged in the listening process, what goes well with the music? My impression has been the present-day TDreamers frown upon chemical enhancement :-), but still....I could easily see myself listening to Desert Dream (on 'Encore') and sipping a fine 6 puttonos Tokaji Aszu. :-) Well? Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 12:12 am Subject: Re: 'Colour' and 'Colour-blindness' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > I 'dress right' (the clothier/tailors' term for indicating that one's > penis hangs towards the right in one's pants) That's a little bit too much information, there Steve. :-) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Dressing Right ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:12:46 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: Re: 'Colour' and 'Colour-blindness' >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >> Really-From: Steven Feldman >> >> I 'dress right' (the clothier/tailors' term for indicating that one's >> penis hangs towards the right in one's pants) > >That's a little bit too much information, there Steve. :-) I meant it to be. Hee hee. (Nice to see some people here still have a sense of humor.) -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 12:32 am Subject: Re: Wine or beer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 98-06-18 11:01:28 EDT, you write: << Maybe we could add another branch for beer trades >> In that case we might catch the attention of Jerome Froese who likes to check out different beer web sites. I have a friend that emailed his page a site for a homemade brew and received a thank you from the brewmeister who stated 'Jerome Froese sends his thanks.' Not the same as getting a note from JF himself, but a thrill for her nevertheless. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 12:45 am Subject: Dream Dice Diatribes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all- Ya know, this guestbook (not to mention the TaDream mailing list) list proves on a daily basis some of the most basic observations of human nature, most notably in this case: Some people aren't happy unless they're complaining; Some people won't let facts get in their way; *AND* Some people believe opinions become facts if shouted/repeated enough!;) Point 1- The information regaring the special release nature of Dream Dice was available on the site from day one. It clearly stated (though not on that particular page...) that this was a one-off sales item on this site *AND* that all the individual CD's would be made available for sale at a (not very) later date though other retailers. Let's see...they're shrewd businessmen only in it to milk the fans, so naturally they're not going to make it easy for everyone to get these discs? Are some of you really that logically-challenged? Point 2- All of the previously released CD's in the set are in fact not too common. In order: -Dream Mixes- Oficially released only in the UK; loads of people here in the 'States have never even seen it, let alone the rest of the world. -Oasis- Again, most people never saw this over here until it was issued by Miramar. -Tournado- This was the only one of the TDI releases so far that I actually saw in the sales racks and in great numbers. -Quinoa- Do I even have to mention that this was rare? -Ambient Monkeys- Limited release for the UK Tour, as stated. -TimeSquare- Ditto above So, as you can see, only *1* of these was in great supply for the average consumer to purchase! Just because *you* have a copy doesn't mean *everyone else* does! Here's a nice little analogy for the friend who was complaining about 'contracts': A man went into the city one day early in the morning to hire laborers for his fields. He hired all he found there for a reasonable wage. At the noon hour, the man returned to hire more workers, again for a reasonable wage. Finally, near the end of the day, he again went into the city and hired those he found, also at a reasonable wage. At the end of the day, everyone gathered to collect his pay, in order of the last men hired first in line to the first men hired last. As the the owner paid out the wages, the men at the back of the line took notice that the last hired men were getting a full day's wage. They began to think that they would then get more, since they had worked all day. But when they got their pay, it was the same as the others'. Whereupon they began to complain, saying how unfair it was that those who were hired last should receive the same wages as those who were there all day. To which the owner responded that he had done no wrong to those he hired first, for he paid the what they had agreed to. If he then decides to be generous to the others by giving them the same what harm was done to you? Think about it. Point 3- The enclosed compilations will be the *first ones ever* that were the band's choice to do, contrary to popular whining...er...*opinion*! OK, so it's more previously released stuff; point taken. But at least this time the cash is going to the band, rather than the controlling label (again, contrary to some of your belief systems!) My only criticism of these is that they're not (AFAIK) remixed like Tangents/Dream Roots! More Heresy! Furthermore, how many of you out there knew that all of the Private Music stuff was out of print? That doesn't necessarily mean out of stock, but a lot of stores I visit don't have those discs anymore and can't get them until the TDI reissues come out. Yeah, I know, we all have 'em already. So just look at them (compilations) as samplers to let friends borrow. Maybe they'll discover the magic you once knew. Point 4- As with every other item outside of basic necessities, it is *YOUR CHOICE* as to whether or not you will buy it! You don't like the fact that some of the items are reissues-WHO CARES! It's obviously NOT intended for you, then! You don't like the high price-WHO CARES! Wait for the indivdual releases, then! I mean, come on! How many of you out there slinging mud have ever run a label? I worked on the retail side of things and that was bad enough! I'm so glad that Edgar and Jerome have the strength of their convictions regarding their music as it relates to them and are still willing to share it with the rest of us. In spite of the 'fans'! Some of you will want to now call me rude names and accuse me of all sorts of things; go ahead, I won't play along. I'm not an apologist for the band by any means. I'm just one fan, trying to understand why so many of you out there seem to revel in trashing what you claim to praise. If you don't care for them anymore, please, just move on. Or do you really think that your 'clever' (or better said bitter) remarks will make a difference? As for myself, I wish them continued success in whatever comes next. And should the day come where I find that the magic has gone, I will understand that it is my perception of the matter and move along. goozer --------------------------------------------------- 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has blurred.' --------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14838 Re: Dream Dice Diatribes feldon@p... Sun 6/21/1998 7 KB 14841 Re: Dream Dice Diatribes John Battema Sun 6/21/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 1:30 am Subject: Re: 'Colour' and 'Colour-blindness' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-06-18 19:57:07 EDT, you write: << have I left anything out? ;) >> yeah...who's gonna win the world cup? tom w np: kraftwerk in nyc 6/13/98 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14790 New KW tour (was Re: 'Colour' and 'Colour-blindn Gabe Yedid Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 1:55 am Subject: Re: what colour?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > >>Really-From: Glenn Reinicke >> >>after I get off work, my sexy white American girlfriend >>and I are going to make more little white Americans to populate the >>world. > >Good luck ! Why do you think any of us Europeans is pissed off >if you hop on your babe ? Did you use one of these new pills, btw ? >Was it fun ? Do ya fuck yer chick every day ? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 2:45 am Subject: Re: 'Colour' and 'Colour-blindness' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' Warning: silly stuff. Everybody: do not take this seriously. > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > > I am white, Caucasian? > adopted, Transplanted? > Jewish, You're rich, then? > left-handed, left-footed, right-eyed, How can you write, walk or see? > semi-vegetarian, You just don't eat the eyes of animals, hehe. > semi-bisexual, Don't go there ;-) >a closeted cross-dresser, RuSteven :-D > I 'dress right' > (the clothier/tailors' term for indicating that one's penis hangs towards > the right in one's pants), Then you're definitely a Democrat :-) > am a Democrat, Me, too (?). > believe in reincarnation 'Scuse me...while I eat this fly' (oops, sorry, Steven) > but do > not rule Jesus out as being who he said he was, Cuz he was for real. >have seen what might be > UFOs three times now -- Hope they weren't round discs. Did they resemble the crafts from Independence Day? Aliens walk among us. > left anything out? ;) What did you think of Emmerich/Devlin's Godzilla? (It was blasphemy, I say, blasphemy!) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 4:49 am Subject: Re: 'Colour' and 'Colour-blindness' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > > >Warning: silly stuff. Everybody: do not take this seriously. > >> Really-From: Steven Feldman >> >>have seen what might be >> UFOs three times now -- > >Hope they weren't round discs. Did they resemble the crafts from >Independence Day? Aliens walk among us. > Actually they were Keep lps flying away from Earth.. that's why you can't find them.. The newer, sleeker models have 'Rockoon' inscripted on them but these are proven fakes as many Tadream fans had admitted to the conspiracy to rid the Earth of these lil terrors. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 4:59 am Subject: Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mchmiele@i... (mark chmielewski) E-man Have you ever seen Keith Emerson live....the man was in my estimation the best keyboard player on the planet...I know that you are talking about Synths but...he is amazing to watch. Wakeman, I have never seen solo (only with Yes) but I throughly enjoy his music...I guess I take exception to -esque tone of the comment. Apologies for taking the orginal note on a tangent...I have seen Edgar from front row, enjoyed the music, but to be honest, there were times that he appeared to be 'programming', rather than 'playing'....nothing wrong with that....but just an observation...(I do enjoy the music from all three even if they are not always playing live (Progemming instead)) >I'm glad Marcel brought this up. I'd rather listen to someone hold E-flat >Major for twenty bars straight at 60 bpm rather than hear an >Emerson/Wakeman-esque solo pasted together via mouse-pointer & comp. >keyboard. If the fingers aren't depressing the ivories or the plastics, >then it's just not real. One creating music via the latter method just >isn't experiencing the *process,* and they're missing the point altogether. > >E-Man > > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 5:14 am Subject: RE: what colour?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mchmiele@i... (mark chmielewski) 'the use of term 'White Boy' can be offensive to some...what happended to tolerance? It also looks we are on the 'American verus the rest of the world' spin again...let's tell it like it should be....God Bless our planet and all within it....I thought that this forum was to express our thoughts on the music I can't believe that this is my third note early the next day...just saw Yes and the Parsons Project...they are worth seeing.... >It's just a figure of speech, get over it. Steve is obviously proud to >be a white boy and why shouldn't he be? If you're ashamed of your >heritage, seek therapy and grow some thicker skin. > >Hey Steve . . . I'm a proud American flag waving conservative >heterosexual white boy from Newport Beach, CA. And to really piss off >these Europeans, after I get off work, my sexy white American girlfriend >and I are going to make more little white Americans to populate the >world. > >np: God Bless America > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 5:28 am Subject: Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' Hi, Mark! > Really-From: mchmiele@i... (mark chmielewski) > > E-Man > > Have you ever seen Keith Emerson live....the man was in my > estimation the best keyboard player on the planet... I saw ELP on the Black Moon tour! Amazing! They're one of my fave bands. > I know that you are > talking about Synths but...he is amazing to watch. Wakeman, I have never > seen solo (only with Yes) but I throughly enjoy his music... So do I. Saw ABWH and Yes on the Union tour... > I guess I take > exception to -esque tone of the comment. No prob. What I meant by saying is that if that solo/part isn't *played* in real time, i.e. it's step-timed/pasted, etc., then what's the point? Trust me, it had nothing to do Emerson and Wakeman, themselves! I can't play fast at all, so you'll never hear a Wakeman/Emerson/Moraz/[Jan] Hammer/Corea-style solo from me!!!! > Apologies for taking the orginal > note on a tangent...I have seen Edgar from front row, enjoyed the music, but > to be honest, there were times that he appeared to be 'programming', rather > than 'playing'.... Where ya been? The Optical Race and Rockoon Tours were DAT-shows, except for the guitars and saxophones, and Paul's great piano interludes on the OR Tour. You need to join E-Prog, Mark! Mr. Fonda, the URL for Mr. Chmielewski, please? :-) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 7:23 am Subject: Re: d:live posts or lack thereof ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... In my case, I love all the old material. From the begining to about 1990 is my favorite TD music. After that, it's pretty downhill for the most part with the exception of Goblins Club. Tom In a message dated 98-06-18 12:47:25 EDT, you write: << thanks to those who have posted on the D:live stuff. I recently heard from some folks who said they haven't contributed to the d:live discourse because they didn't like some of the material. This is of course is to be expected with the early material.. I hope anyone who doesn't like the stuff will just say so and not hold back -- you won't hurt my feelings ;-) lars >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 8:06 am Subject: Re; Over/Underrated (was Re: Cities) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Really-From: szatmari pal >>Really-From: PW098@a... >[...] >>Most Overrated: Stratosfear > >A lot of people say that Stratosfear was the first really outstanding album by TD. >IMO if you listen to their earlier albums, you can find a whole lot of outstanding stuff. Stratosfear just appealed to a wider range of people (IMO) I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that before. I consider Stratosfear to be a blip on the path of music for TD at that time - I don't see the move from Rubycon to Stratosfear to Encore being as smooth as most other moves in albums. Perhaps they tried Stratosfear, didn't like the result and reverted back to something more Rubycon-esque with Encore. BTW, I think Le Parc is the most overrated album. >>Most Underrated: Green Desert > >I still do not understand why it was not released at the time. Great tracks... Do you mean the *real* reason, or do you just like GD that much? 8-) If you don't know why it wasn't released, I'm sure someone here (including myself) can tell you. But I won't regurgitate the story if you already know. >While at it, I think White Eagle is also widely underrated. >:-( I love Mojave Plan, in particular. I agree that there are a number of albums from around that time that seem to be preferred to WE, but I don't see it. I especially like the 'extended' version of Mojave Plan that appears on the Ratikon boot. I assume this is the Sohoman official CD that will be released later? ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 9:01 am Subject: RE: Do not kill the lurkers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Burnett 'unsubscribe tadream' 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 11:11 am Subject: RE: Sorceror OST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes 'Plumer, Scott' wrote: > Rainer, this is my Keep! on the back of the ST (I have the LP) Friedkin > says he got a 90 min. tape from TD. The album's only 45 min., Perhaps the rest of the tape was blank? ;-) Antonio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 11:51 am Subject: Clipped digests - please help ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes The digest I received today (#316) is clipped. A few days ago I had received digest #312 clipped too, and perhaps not coincidentally the last message in both digests is from Fred Yargui. My guess is that Fred's messages contain some character which is interpreted as end-of-file by some mail-servers. Any idea on how to overcome this? Before someone suggests the 'get tadream-digest ...' command, I've already tried it, and I still get the digest clipped. So, could someone please send me a _complete_ digest #316 ? Antonio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14784 Re: Clipped digests - please help Antonio Nunes Fri 6/19/1998 4 KB 14800 Re: Clipped digests - please help Antonio Nunes Sat 6/20/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 12:07 pm Subject: an important post that everyone should read? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >I wonder if there is, in people's mind, a wine or drink that goes along >with specific Tangerine Dream tracks or albums. -- well I think just about any type of 'whine' actually goes best with TD! >Since TD's music is not the kind to blow off, that is one has to be >actively engaged in the listening process, what goes well with the music? >My impression has been the present-day TDreamers frown upon chemical >enhancement -- well, never having inhaled or ingested I CANNOT speak from experience but it's said that lady greengrass and orange marmelade are best for tangerines. I do imbibe but find that alcohol does little or nothing for the TD experience -- at least for me. (that said, I love wines, especially Italian wines, so count me in the swap pool) -- on another note: what a pissy digest it was this morning. It's like starting your day with a shot of lemon juice instead of tangerines! Everyone: take your fingers off your flame-thrower triggers and nuclear-missle launch buttons and, well, check out lady greengrass for awhile! lars (who dresses left and wonders why we can't seem to get ON TOPIC!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14814 Re: an important post that everyone should read? noexit@m... Sat 6/20/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 12:39 pm Subject: NO TD: mighty whitey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott' It's just a figure of speech, get over it. Steve is obviously proud to >be a white boy and why shouldn't he be? If you're ashamed of your >heritage, seek therapy and grow some thicker skin. > >Hey Steve . . . I'm a proud American flag waving conservative >heterosexual white boy from Newport Beach, CA. And to really piss off >these Europeans, after I get off work, my sexy white American girlfriend >and I are going to make more little white Americans to populate the >world. Perhaps you should marry her first. What so many of us forget is that we all have common ancestors, and they came from Africa. So, technically speaking, we're all of African descent. Except Edgar, he's a god. :-) Scott np: Phish, 7/6/94 Set 1 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 2:02 pm Subject: B5 episodics ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean I have the second set, I have just been too busy to listen or write anything... Suffice it to say we finally have the themes from all the seasons...a few more vocal tracks...most have a least one 5 to 6 minute piece... It also includes that Haslinger sounding track I mentioned a long time ago that gave away part of the plot to the UK B5 fans... MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 2:12 pm Subject: RE: Clipped digests - please help ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= My apologies if my mails use to cut the digest. Yet, I understand that some mails are indigestible, I am amazed to learn mine are so hungry. Dream Regards to all, Fred (mad man with mad mail) Np : I don't know, my amp is muted. -----Message d'origine----- De: tadream mailing list [SMTP:tadream@c...] Date: vendredi 19 juin 1998 13:52 A: tadream@c... Objet: Clipped digests - please help ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes The digest I received today (#316) is clipped. A few days ago I had received digest #312 clipped too, and perhaps not coincidentally the last message in both digests is from Fred Yargui. My guess is that Fred's messages contain some character which is interpreted as end-of-file by some mail-servers. Any idea on how to overcome this? Before someone suggests the 'get tadream-digest ...' command, I've already tried it, and I still get the digest clipped. So, could someone please send me a _complete_ digest #316 ? Antonio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 3:29 pm Subject: what colour?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve_Whiteley@N... (Steve Whiteley) >Is your colour really relevant?? I like to think we on the Digest are >'colour -blind'. Nah! I just recently worked for a company that went bankrupted and had to deal with the unemployment office. I kind of choked when they asked what I was and decided white boy would do. It was suposed to be funny. Working in the high tech industry, I sometime feel like we could be a zoo cuz we have one of every race. I would not want it any other way. Sorry, Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 3:39 pm Subject: Legend ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Frank Stephen Did anybody get a chance to see Legend and Risky Business on TNT last night. Watching Legend reminded me that there is probably 20-30 minutes of missing music from that movie. Any comments? More Later, Frank fstephe@a... Crap under glass at the Smithsonian...is still crap. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14791 Re: Legend TangerineC@a... Fri 6/19/1998 3 KB 14850 Re: Legend AOutland@a... Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 19779 Legend pergamon@xxxxxxx.xx Wed 12/15/1999 1 KB 19789 Re: Legend Bennett Cookson Wed 12/15/1999 1 KB 20148 Legend LAWRY SIMM Tue 1/4/2000 1 KB 27997 Legend Dennis Nigbur Sat 7/28/2001 2 KB 28000 Re: Legend Gary Jenkins Sat 7/28/2001 2 KB 28002 Re: Legend Michael A Jean Sat 7/28/2001 3 KB 28022 Re: Legend Dennis Nigbur Sun 7/29/2001 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 4:00 pm Subject: MIDI Mellotron??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Craig Shipley' Someone asked the question about the Mighty 'Tron and whether or not it could be had MIDI-fied. Well, considering that the 'Tron went out-of-production about the same time that MIDI became a reality, there was never a factory version built (I assume that the last gasp Mellotron product, based around a 286 PC, had MIDI, but there was probably only single-digit numbers of these beasties built. Only one that I know of was played by Suzanne Ciani on her NEVERLAND release). However, David Keane of the Mellotron Archives (www.mellotron.com) either DID build a MIDI-fied 'Tron or has the plans on how to do one (imagine a boat-load of solenoids and lotsa wires...). So, it isn't outside the realm of possibility... (All 'Tron fans should check out the above Web site; lotsa cool vintage keyboards, in addition to everything you wanted to know about the 'Tron and its pappy, the Chamberlain...) NP: Argent / Nexus (Tons of tasty 'Tron on here, with some Keith Emerson-ish riffing on the Mini-Moog and Hammond! Well, it is from 1975...) ========================================= Craig A. Shipley craigs@s... Siemens-Nixdorf ITSN 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (770) 242-9374 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ========================================= From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 4:55 pm Subject: race problems ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve_Whiteley@N... (Steve Whiteley) steve said: > I'm a white boy from earth who currently resides in Southern California. I > grew up in .................etc ash asked a good question: > Is your colour really relevant?? I like to think we on the Digest are > 'colour -blind'. > Ash marcel capitailized white: >I'm all with you Ash, when I read this I thought: White boy? Do I have to >know that? >But thats maybe just my opinion. steve imagines his fathers day weekend on the sespe, laying on the sand in the sun (turning a bit red, maybe more brown later, looking at his yellow bruise from last weeks soccer match), smelling the ethic food, seeing the different races playing together, diving off the rocks into the river. wondering whether the world is more f*cked up than i thought. as it gets dark some are playing their favorite tunes, the salsas, pokas, led zeppelin, hip hop, etc and of course in the twilight i'll pick one my current emusic favorites to chill out by the camp fire and drink some wine with my wife. maybe soon i'll listen to your music. Chill out man. Your friend, Steve (who would rather be playing the whites and blacks on my keyboard) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 12:58 pm Subject: test ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Kasijo, Guy SSI-TSEA-R21' Test, please reply Helpdesk rotterdam Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22501 test Nick Adams Tue 5/16/2000 2 KB 25195 test Joel S. Mullen Sun 11/26/2000 2 KB 25217 test Totta Rydqvist Tue 11/28/2000 2 KB 30194 test Nick Adams Tue 11/20/2001 2 KB 32281 test duncan mckee Tue 2/19/2002 2 KB 32282 test duncan mckee Wed 2/20/2002 2 KB 33596 test Kevin Keller Fri 4/26/2002 2 KB 33597 Re: test Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 4/26/2002 3 KB 34233 test Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Tue 6/4/2002 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 6:24 pm Subject: [No TD] New KW tour (was Re: 'Colour' and 'Colour-blindness') ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > tom w > > np: kraftwerk in nyc 6/13/98 Wow, tapes of the shows already? Is there a lot of new material on it, or is it just mostly more remixed old tunes? Is there ANY new material on it? Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 6:46 pm Subject: Re: Legend ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... 20-30 minutes? More like 45 minutes of missing music! Legend is wall to wall music. I wonder if the rest of it will ever be released on the TDI label. Tom In a message dated 98-06-19 11:38:57 EDT, you write: << Did anybody get a chance to see Legend and Risky Business on TNT last night. Watching Legend reminded me that there is probably 20-30 minutes of missing music from that movie. Any comments? >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 7:48 pm Subject: Re: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mark Fonda Michael wrote: > so lurkers and non lurkers give me some days to complete the 'cities' > list. it has still incoming post.... I guess to be complete you better include me: Now living in San Nicolas (Aruba), via Los Angeles, via Philadelphia, via Buffalo (New York State, USA). Notice a trend? Mark Also, E-Man wrote: > You need to join E-Prog, Mark! Mr. Fonda, the URL for Mr. Chmielewski, please? :-) ==> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Frontrow/1294/e-prog.htm (this is the NEW homepage for e-Prog which features a background image of Par Lindh on his keyboards - the Par Lindh Project is the epitome of what the mailing list is all about... PLP sounds like a mixture of ELP and Renaissance... and possibly better than either of them ever were). From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Lions & Tigers & Monster Movies, Oh My ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: Re: 'Colour' and 'Colour-blindness' >Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:45:05 -0700 >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > >Warning: silly stuff. Everybody: do not take this seriously. > >> Really-From: Steven Feldman >> >>have seen what might be UFOs three times now -- > >Hope they weren't round discs. Did they resemble the crafts from >Independence Day? [. . .] Yeah, right, like somebody could miss something that size. X-0 >[. . .] Aliens walk among us. True enough. >> left anything out? ;) > >What did you think of Emmerich/Devlin's Godzilla? (It was blasphemy, I >say, blasphemy!) Not bad. Not all that good, but not all that bad. At least it didn't downright suck. At least it didn't have lame characters that you care nothing whatsoever about whom you wish you had a remote control at hand to fast-forward away into oblivion. Go rent GAMERA: GUARDIAN OF THE UNIVERSE (remake of the Japanese giant monster series about a flying turtle who spins around and takes off from fire that shoots out of his head, hand, foot and tail hole), instead. It's *really* good--even by legit mainstream movie standards, I dare say. As for the X-FILES movie . . . feh. It was a pseudo-intellectual, unexciting remake of the Charlie Sheen/Terry Polo movie, THE ARRIVAL. >From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) >Subject: Re: 'Colour' and 'Colour-blindness' >Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:49:16 -0700 >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > >>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >> >>Hope they weren't round discs. Did they resemble the crafts from >>Independence Day? Aliens walk among us. > >Actually they were Keep lps flying away from Earth.. that's why you >can't find them.. The newer, sleeker models have 'Rockoon' inscripted >on them but these are proven fakes as many Tadream fans had admitted >to the conspiracy to rid the Earth of these lil terrors. Not bad; *I* laughed. -- Steven Feldman ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Hawkwind? Tangerine Dream? Eno? They don't sound like they have any cash . . . who the hell are these people? Has Puff Daddy done anything with them? Maybe we can put them on at two in the morning where no one will really notice . . .' --Kurt Loder, 1998. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Auction: Size 'M' 1986 TD Tour T-shirt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Howdy All, Anyone interested in a T-shirt from TD's 1986 Tour (in support of UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT)? I've got one that's in excellent shape. It's hardly been worn because ever since I got it, it never really fit. It says 'L' on the tag, but since I ordinarily take an 'L' or a 'XL,' I can assure you that in this case, the 'L' is in actuality an 'M.' (I take a 16 or 16 1/2 shirt and a size 42 or 44 jacket -- and this 'L' is too small for me.) On the front is a 2 1/2' tall 'TD' symbol (like the one that wound up on the cover of TYGER a year later in black, with a yellow circle -- which is a little smaller than the logo itself -- in the background. On the back are the letters 'TANGERINE DREAM' in black stencil- style lettering, with 24 tour dates and venues listed below. If anyone is interested in this item, bids start at $35 for the shirt postpaid. (And if you think that's high, keep in mind that a T- shirt from a *current* tour goes for in excess of $20, to begin with.) Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02146; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. SOME CURRENT E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Redshift, Nightcrawlers, R. Carty, Ozrics, Serrie +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | TD DISCOGRAPHY http://www.online.de/home/tdklaus/GENERAL/Pocketdg.txt | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 8:19 pm Subject: Live At Encores ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marek Mastalerz' Hallo everybody Browsing through the catalogues I found something that mystified me. There is supposed to be a Tangerine Dream CD, titled 'Live At Encores' (catalogue number CAP 39443). Could anyone enlighten me and other not knowing what it is? Somehow I don't believe it's great forgotten TD record; I suspect it's just plan 'Encore'. Marek The Alienist From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 10:39 pm Subject: Re: [No TD] New KW tour (was Re: 'Colour' and 'Colour-blindness') ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-06-19 14:26:30 EDT, you write: << Wow, tapes of the shows already? what do u mean already? who do you think tapes these god damn gigs? Is there a lot of new material on it, or is it just mostly more remixed old tunes? Is there ANY new material on it? >> theres two new tunes and great versions of the oldies.... tom w sp: kw takes nyc 6/13/98 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 10:48 pm Subject: cd-r deal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'marc todd' Hi Everyone, FYI, Costco Wholesale has an offer on the 20 pack TDK cd-r package they sell for $39.00. It is a $20.00 mail in rebate, so you end up getting 20 74 min. cd-r's for $20.00. Costco is a membership store, so if you are not a member find someone who is and tag along. I believe this rebate is good until the end of the month. Happy shopping! Kind Regards, Marc ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 10:51 pm Subject: RE: Live at Encores & CITIES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Joel Mullen >Really-From: 'Marek Mastalerz' >Hallo everybody >Browsing through the catalogues I found something that mystified me. There >is supposed to be a Tangerine Dream CD, titled 'Live At Encores' (catalogue >number CAP 39443). Could anyone enlighten me and other not knowing what it >is? Somehow I don't believe it's great forgotten TD record; I suspect it's >just plan 'Encore'. >Marek The Alienist Marek- I think you are looking at a listing for the 'Encore' rerelease 'definitive edition' or commonly known as SBM. I have the Virgin America release and it has the numbers 7243 8 394443 2 3 on the side. The middle of that number is the catalog number, same as yours. Hope this helps, While I am here I am going to enter my 'Cities' info Born-Friendship Wisconsin, USA Lived in the Yukon Territiory, Canada for many years Now residing in Berlin, Wisconsin USA First TD exposure- background music for highschool plays (1983-1985) First TD purchase- used copy of Dream Sequence on CD Favorite TD- Everything (old or new), but mainly anything I don't have. Joel From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 11:16 pm Subject: colour blind? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'ashok prema' You wrote: >>It's just a figure of speech, get over it. Steve is obviously proud to be a white boy and why shouldn't he be? If you're ashamed of your heritage, seek therapy and grow some thicker skin. << You missed my point. With a name like 'Steve' - and living in California - one would have assumed the writer to be an American of Caucasian descent......so clarification of his being 'white' was unnecessary. Had his name been Ben Choing - and he put down 'white boy'etc - then I could understand the writer maybe wanting other members not to have any misconception about him being oriental. As for being thick skinned - well, you don't live 40 years being Asian in Europe without meeting some narrow minded bigots now and again (fortunately - an absoute minority!) who throw some mindless comment about the colour of the skin - certainly I have no embarrasment about my heritage - indeed, its what makes music what it is - but what does it matter if I'm brown, black, white, or blue......the music I love to listen to is German made - but I don't feel I'm encroaching on someone else's patch enjoying it - to me its 'my music' - because I grew up with it and it has played such an important part of my life. mmmmmmmmmm...................can you imagine if Tangerine Dream were a blues band from New Orleans??.........wouldn't be discussing this subject with alll you guys and gals now would I? ps: Thanks Craig, Marcel and Jens for your comments! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 11:27 pm Subject: Re: Clipped digests - please help ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Antonio Nunes I've just received a _complete_ copy of the requested digest #316 from David Datta. Thanks! Antonio From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 20, 1998 5:28 am Subject: Favorites and under rated ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PW098@a... Paul, I agree with you that White Eagle is under rated. While I'm not crazy about the title track, I think Mojave Plan and Midnight in Tula are excellent. And you will not see any flame from me in regards to Tournado. The opening drum solo could use some work but the rest of it is not great but very good. It also does have its moments of magic. Since we seem to be Dreamers with the same taste, what do you think of Ambient Monkeys? I haven't found it yet but I would be interested in your opinion (and anyone elses). Was it released in the USA? I've been to 2 Tower records and 1 HMV and they did not have it. Has the Laser Disc of Oasis been released? I have seen the CD but I want the LD so I haven't heard it. I really enjoyed Canyon Dreams. I helped line TD's pockets by buying it on VHS only to find it on LD several months later and buying that. I don't want to do that again. That's enough Dreaming for now. Bob np -Near Dark Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14810 Re: Favorites and under rated Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 6/20/1998 4 KB 14811 Re: Favorites and under rated Jim & Sew Fong Jordan Sat 6/20/1998 4 KB 14816 Re: Favorites and under rated Fred Terry Sat 6/20/1998 5 KB 14883 Ambient Monkeys Sean Montgomery Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Over/Underrated ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: szatmari pal Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > I consider Stratosfear to be a blip on the path > of music for TD at that time - I don't see > the move from Rubycon to Stratosfear > to Encore being as smooth as most >other moves in albums. It may be because before working on Startosfear the band obtained new instruments and the album may have been the result of their new experiments. It can explain the 'break' between Rubycon and Stratosfear. I do not see this break between Stratosfear and Encore though. >Perhaps they tried Stratosfear, didn't like the result >and reverted back to >something more Rubycon-esque with Encore. BTW, I think Le Parc is the most overrated album. I feel you are right, although at the time of release I liked that album (and the concept also, because I travelled widely at the time). Looking back and putting the album in context with the line of albums, I find other albums from that era more significant. >>Most Underrated: Green Desert >>I still do not understand why it was not released >>at the time. Great tracks... >Do you mean the *real* reason, or do you just >like GD that much? 8-) I know the real reason. I just like it better than Phaedra with the exception of Mysterious semblance and Movements of a visionary (woa... I can smell flames flaring up...) > I especially like the 'extended' version >of Mojave Plan that appears on the >Ratikon boot. Did not hear it but I hope I will soon... :-) > I assume this is the Sohoman official CD that >will be released later? Fingers Xed Paul ------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Szatmari (szatmari@s...) ------------------------------------------------------------- (English/Hungarian) translator (Tangerine) Dreamer Lover of dogs ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Address: 18 Nador Str, 4400 Nyiregyhaza, Hungary ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tel: +36 20 652437 +36 42 462114 Fax: +36 42 402369 ===================== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 6:59 am Subject: Re: Favourites and underrated ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: szatmari pal > And you will not see any flame from me > in regards to Tournado. The opening drum >solo could use some work They DID improve it, because at the last show of the tour in London I heard a MUCH better version (I know because I had already listened to Tournado a lot of times). > what do you think of Ambient Monkeys? I >haven't found it yet >but I would be interested in your opinion (and anyone >elses). When I listen to it, it conjures up images and feelings I experienced at the tour (the excitement of waiting for the show to begin :-)) The album is not coincidally named 'Ambient'. It IS ambient. So do not expect something like Canyon Dreams... I mostly listen to it early in the morning when I get up. It's definitely better than listening to the news on the radio... :-)) But seriously: I like it. It is another journey for me. > Was it released in the USA? > I've been to 2 Tower records and 1 HMV > and they did not have it. I am not sure because I live in Europe ( I bought a copy at the Shepherds Bush show). But I think someone mentioned it on the list a couple of weeks ago that he saw it in the US (probably imported). >Has the Laser Disc of Oasis been released? I don't think so. Someone also complained about it on the list. The video has very BAD sound quality. I have it and since I bought the CD, I can hardly put up with the sound of the video. Paul ------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Szatmari (szatmari@s...) ------------------------------------------------------------- (English/Hungarian) translator (Tangerine) Dreamer Lover of dogs ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Address: 18 Nador Str, 4400 Nyiregyhaza, Hungary ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tel: +36 20 652437 +36 42 462114 Fax: +36 42 402369 ===================== From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 20, 1998 9:26 am Subject: Unable to send mail ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: LAWRY SIMM Guys and gals, for some reason I am unable to post mail through my SMTP server and haven't been able to for a couple of days... I'm using a different route here than normal. I'll try and also post the D:live schedule now, but if it doesn't arrive, and Lars, if you see this, can you post this weeks items please. Thanks Lawry ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 20, 1998 9:29 am Subject: D:Live - Week 3 - w/c Sunday 21st June ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: LAWRY SIMM I wasn't very impressed by the response last week... I hope you all do better this week. This week we would like to hear comments on any of the following :- June 21 / Week 3: 1974 UK Tour, all tapes         10.29.74 Sheffield (City Hall)                 Boots:  TD 74-78 (MC) -- excerpt                 Tapes:  44min. (Au)         10.30.74  Birmingham (Town Hall) 90 min. (Au)         11.2.74 Liverpool (Liverpool Stadium) 90 min. (Au)         11.20.74 Glasgow (Kelvin Hall) 85 min. (Au)         11.26.74 Bradford (St. George's Hall) 51 min. (Au) Coming from Liverpool, I'm particularly interested to hear from people who went to the Liverpool gig. Lawry. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 20, 1998 12:38 pm Subject: legend & ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> >Subject: Legend >Really-From: Frank Stephen >Did anybody get a chance to see Legend and Risky Business on TNT last >night. Watching Legend reminded me that there is probably 20-30 minutes >of missing music from that movie. Any comments? -- Yeah. ALL the Legend music is being distributed on an upcoming tape tree; ALL the Risky Business stuff is available on the Risky Business Complete Works set. don't snooze or you'll miss them both ;-) lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 20, 1998 1:07 pm Subject: Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' ----Original Message Follows---- Really-From: mchmiele@i... (mark chmielewski) E-man Have you ever seen Keith Emerson live....the man was in my estimation the best keyboard player on the planet... It's too bad that his compositional skills and musical talent are nowhere as good as his technical prowess. I enjoy most of his playing, but it gets tiring to kisten to too much at a time. Now, TD I can listen to all day long... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 20, 1998 1:12 pm Subject: Re: d:live posts or lack thereof ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' ----Original Message Follows---- Really-From: TangerineC@a... In my case, I love all the old material. From the begining to about 1990 is my favorite TD music. After that, it's pretty downhill for the most part with the exception of Goblins Club. Tom In a message dated 98-06-18 12:47:25 EDT, you write: << thanks to those who have posted on the D:live stuff. I recently heard from some folks who said they haven't contributed to the d:live discourse because they didn't like some of the material. This is of course is to be expected with the early material.. I hope anyone who doesn't like the stuff will just say so and not hold back -- you won't hurt my feelings ;-) lars >> And I would probably love the old stuff as well, (I got started on ATEM, way back when) but I don't have any of the material on the list. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 20, 1998 3:30 pm Subject: D:Live absence ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Klaus Beschorner Hi guys, I find the D:Live one of the most interesting topics I've ever seen discussed on this list. Sorry that I can't contribute much at the moment, as I'm always travelling (aka being away from my collection). klaus From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 20, 1998 4:17 pm Subject: Re: Favorites and under rated ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 01:28 AM 6/20/1998 EDT, Bob wrote: >also does have its moments of magic. Since we seem to be Dreamers with the >same taste, what do you think of Ambient Monkeys? I haven't found it yet Interposing my two-bits' worth... Ambient Monkeys...I listened to it three times. Just to make sure...it's not unusual for me to hear something for the first time and be equivocal about it, only to learn to like it quite well on susequent listenings. First time, I was saying to myself ' what the hell is this?' The chirping, the monkey chatter, the wolf-howl..straight out of the cliches of third rate (or worse) 'new age' b.s. Utterly loathed it...so much so that I almost missed the good stuff that comes later in the album. Was ready to toss the album after the first 3 minutes. Listened to it again...and again...some fine music there....I still HATE the environmental sounds. They truly add nothing the originality of the album, mess up the good music. After three listens...I will NEVER listen to it again. WiIl not toss it, but only because I want to keep my collection complete. What in the world motivated the Froeses to produce this album the way they did, escapes me. What a shame... Once I got over the shock of the music TD produced after 1982 (there was a hiatus in my listening between 1979 and 1984 - graduate school, no time, no money), I learned to enjoy the 'new' TD, although I still prefer 'Hyperborea' to '220 Volts' or 'Stratosfear' to 'Turn of the Tides.' In fact I think that Dream Mixes is a hoot and play it often. 'Goblins Club' will never make my top 100 list, but 'Tournado' is fine and so is 'Oasis.' Andrew P.S. Bob, considerable collections of TD albums can be found on on-line music services. For instance: 'Time Square' is at CD Universe for $18.49 'Tournado' for $14.99 from Lakeshore 'Ambient' has not been released in the Stares, AFAIK. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 20, 1998 5:58 pm Subject: Re: Favorites and under rated ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' ----Original Message Follows---- >Ambient Monkeys...I listened to it three times. Just to make >sure...it's not unusual for me to hear something for the first time >and be equivocal about it, only to learn to like it quite well on >susequent listenings. I know what you mean. The first time I played 'Canyon Dreams', I thought it would be my last. Canyon Voices is playing now in the background. I missed it the first time around, somehow. Of course, my first copy was the video tape, of which, my copy is horrendous. It refuses to track properly on any machine. I started liking the soundtrack when the CD was released. I just picked up the DVD, which has been playing in the background on my PC. I think I need a DVD deck for the Stereo/TV system. As good as the computer is supposed to be, it still drops frames. Of course, the computer is probably considered 'old' now, it's already June! (Compaq 300MHZ, ATI All-In-Wonder, Rage Pro, Soundblaster AWE 64 Gold, 64 MB RAM) >'Goblins Club' will never make my top 100 list, > >Andrew I may have to agree with you there, but I'm not yet sure. I've only played it once, when I bought it, during the week of its US release. (Give me time...) What the heck, I just put it on now... I'll give it another listen. Toward the Evening Star is O.K. When I first saw the single, I thought it was Fripp/Eno... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14816 Re: Favorites and under rated Fred Terry Sat 6/20/1998 5 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 20, 1998 2:11 pm Subject: Re: TD-Chi Coltrane CD Single for Sale/Trade ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Brian E. Kirby' > I've recently come across a copy of that *super-rare* TD-Chi Coltrane CD > single 'I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You.' > > I'll consider trade and/or cash *OFFERS* until Monday sometime--to give you > lurkers and digestees a chance to bid. The buyer is also responsible for > US insured priority postage or international insured airmail postage . Does the lucky 'winner' also get a bottle of Maalox with it? -B. Kirby From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 20, 1998 6:55 pm Subject: On your mark...get set....GO! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all! My buddy Randar at RPM is now taking orders for all of the upcoming TDI releases, due to come in within the next 2 weeks (approx.). Now's your chance to quit whining and start buying!;) I've been a patron of his for over 12 yrs. now and he has never failed to satisfy (as some of you have since discovered as well!) Happy hunting! goozer (who *did* order the DD box...and smiled while doing it!) PS: Points off to the first person with the rectal jokes... --------------------------------------------------- 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has blurred.' --------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 20, 1998 7:11 pm Subject: Re: an important post that everyone should read? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: noexit@m... Weed and Crank was always fun with TD... But I wouldn't advise it to anyone... At 08:07 AM 6/19/98 -0400, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> > > >>I wonder if there is, in people's mind, a wine or drink that goes along >>with specific Tangerine Dream tracks or albums. > >-- well I think just about any type of 'whine' actually goes best with TD! > >>Since TD's music is not the kind to blow off, that is one has to be >>actively engaged in the listening process, what goes well with the music? >>My impression has been the present-day TDreamers frown upon chemical >>enhancement > >-- well, never having inhaled or ingested I CANNOT speak from experience >but it's said that lady greengrass and orange marmelade are best for >tangerines. I do imbibe but find that alcohol does little or nothing for >the TD experience -- at least for me. (that said, I love wines, especially >Italian wines, so count me in the swap pool) > >-- on another note: what a pissy digest it was this morning. It's like >starting your day with a shot of lemon juice instead of tangerines! >Everyone: take your fingers off your flame-thrower triggers and >nuclear-missle launch buttons and, well, check out lady greengrass for >awhile! > >lars >(who dresses left and wonders why we can't seem to get ON TOPIC!) > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 20, 1998 7:34 pm Subject: Force Majeure Mystery... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: noexit@m... >Hey Guys.... >Help me explain a mystery... On Cloudburst Flight off of Force Majeure... How does Mr. Froese create those incredible guitar/synth-esque sounds with those really giant pitch leaps into the heavens??? What type of equipment was used to produce such a thing??? > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14833 Re: Force Majeure Mystery... Hassinen Ami Sun 6/21/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 20, 1998 9:06 pm Subject: Re: Favorites and under rated ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Fred Terry At 10:58 AM -0700 6/20/98, 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' wrote: > >Ambient Monkeys...I listened to it three times. Just to make > >sure...it's not unusual for me to hear something for the first time > >and be equivocal about it, only to learn to like it quite well on > >susequent listenings. > > I know what you mean. The first time I played 'Canyon Dreams', I > thought it would be my last. Canyon Voices is playing now in the > background. I missed it the first time around, somehow. Of course, my > first copy was the video tape, of which, my copy is horrendous. It > refuses to track properly on any machine. I started liking the > soundtrack when the CD was released. I just picked up the DVD, which > has been playing in the background on my PC. I think I need a DVD deck > for the Stereo/TV system. As good as the computer is supposed to be, it > still drops frames. Of course, the computer is probably considered > 'old' now, it's already June! (Compaq 300MHZ, ATI All-In-Wonder, Rage > Pro, Soundblaster AWE 64 Gold, 64 MB RAM) > > > >'Goblins Club' will never make my top 100 list, > > > >Andrew > > I may have to agree with you there, but I'm not yet sure. I've only > played it once, when I bought it, during the week of its US release. > (Give me time...) > > What the heck, I just put it on now... I'll give it another listen. > Toward the Evening Star is O.K. When I first saw the single, I thought > it was Fripp/Eno... I first heard Toward the Evening Star on an Orb remix. While I enjoyed the remix, I liked the TD version even more and searched until I found the CD. I wasn't happy with all of the tracks on the first listen (I'm still having trouble with the second one--don't have the CD handy and can't recall the title), but most of them have grown on me. I've been avoiding Canyon Dreams, but I think I'll go pick up that copy at Borders since it's getting positive mention here. Since I've dropped out of lurk mode, I'm currently living in Lawrence, KS by way of my home state of OK. My first TD experience was Risky Business. Not sure I can pick a single favorite album (perhaps Force Majeure?), but I've been wearing out the tracks of the Dream Roots Collection that I picked up a couple of months ago. I've seen Floyd in concert, but I've never had the pleasure of seeing TD. pf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Fred Terry, Sr. Technical Editor Alta Group pfterry@a... http://members.aol.com/pfterry/ 785.840.1115 http://anasazi.cadence.com/~pfterry Don't anthropomorphize computers. They don't like it. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Fri Jun 19, 1998 9:43 pm Subject: Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' Lars, I can't help feeling that the other guys (surprised Mr Gearhead Nagle hasn't joined in yet! :-) ) are pitching a bit high here. If your sole intention is for teaching kids to play keyboards, there are two inexpensive routes. Forget all this talk of workstations and $1000 synths etc (even though I would love an Access Virus too!). One of the Yamaha PSR range (prices from #100 upwards) will do the trick. IIRC, they now have midi capability (never used to) and some even have a basic one track sequencer on. The auto accompanyment features of such 'home keyboards' are great to learn to play along with. I feel synths are only useful when you can play in the first place. The other benefit is that speakers are built in and therefore no requirement for a separate amplifier. The other inexpensive option is one of the many PC music tutors which usually come with a cheep and cheerful keyboard and software that goes through the very basics of keyboard playing. Sorry I don't know the names of any packages though. The only other top advice I can give you, you have received already. That is, always try the gear out before buying! Hope this helps, Lawry. PS - You didn't say how old your kids where?! PPS - If you want to teach kids how to play piano, why not buy a cheap upright piano! :-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 9:59 pm Subject: Re: [No TD] New KW tour ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Flemming Larsen Gabe wrote : >> np: kraftwerk in nyc 6/13/98 >Wow, tapes of the shows already? >Is there a lot of new material on it, or is it just mostly more remixed >old tunes? Is there ANY new material on it? Probably mostly old stuff. You have to wait a little longer for new material. YES, apparently there's a new Kraftwerk album on the way. I just taped a Danish TVshow about Krafwerk. They had some interesting interviews with Karl Bartos and Wolfgang Flür. According to the studio host, Ralph Hütter and Florian Schneider is now working on a new album in the KlingKlang studio, and they are not talking to anyone. Karl Bartos and Wolfgang Flür is no longer members of Kraftwerk, and they are pretty happy about that too. As Karl Bartos said, 'The best moment in my life was when I joined Kraftwerk. The second best was when I left'. Sorry about the off topic, but we all love Kraftwerk, don't we ? ;-) Flemming. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14822 Re: New KW tour Greg Heil Sun 6/21/1998 3 KB 14870 Re: New KW tour Gabe Yedid Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: AMBIENT MONKEYS & Other TD Turkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:17:07 -0500 >Subject: Re: Favorites and under rated >To: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Andrew J. Rozsa > >Ambient Monkeys...I listened to it three times. Just to make sure...it's >not unusual for me to hear something for the first time and be equivocal >about it, only to learn to like it quite well on susequent listenings. > >First time, I was saying to myself ' what the hell is this?' [. . .] >After three listens...I will NEVER listen to it again. WiIl not toss it, >but only because I want to keep my collection complete. > >What in the world motivated the Froeses to produce this album the way >they did, escapes me. What a shame... Yep. It's a stinkeroo. I give it a four (on a one-to-ten scale, with one being bad). Other TD ranking in at #4 or worse? See below: 4 ELECTRONIC MEDITATION 4 ZEIT 3 OPTICAL RACE 3 LEGEND 2 THREE O'CLOCK HIGH 4 SHY PEOPLE 4 DEADLY CARE 4 CATCH ME IF YOU CAN 3 JIM & PABLO: DER METEOR -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14901 Re: AMBIENT MONKEYS & Other TD Turkeys Andrew J. Rozsa Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14922 Re: AMBIENT MONKEYS & Other TD Turkeys feldon@p... Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14945 Re: AMBIENT MONKEYS & Other TD Turkeys Andrew J. Rozsa Wed 6/24/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: This Kurt Loder Quote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Folks, It seems that the quote is not legit, but the product of a joke, if I understand this guy's reply correctly. (see the exchange below) -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 20:16:26 EDT From: Steven Feldman Subject: Context for Loder Quote Requested To: SoulAbuse Hi, You don't know me. I'm a long-time Brian Eno and Tangerine Dream collector (and I even like Hawkwind sometimes). Recently, the following was re-posted to the Tangerine Dream mailing list : |Subject: Re: AMP!...is it ever coming back? |From: soulabuse@a... (SoulAbuse) | |You probably didn't hear his full sentence. What he was saying was, |'Hawkwind? Tangerine Dream? Eno? They don't sound like they have any |cash... who the hell are these people? Has Puff Daddy done anything |with them? Maybe we can put them on at 2 in the morning where noone |will really notice...' |Well, maybe.... |p e @ c e |SemaJ Can you recall what day and on what show Loder said this, and in what context? Having more of what he said immediately before and after the above would be most helpful. I am a fan of Kurt Loder's actually -- because I was a David Bowie collector for six years and Loder was *always* assigned by ROLLING STONE and MTV to interview and/or write about Bowie because he was the best at doing so. Whatever help you could/can give regarding getting ahold of more of Loder's quote would be much appreciated. Thanks for listening. -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + From: SoulAbuse@a... Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:12:07 EDT To: AR402004@B... Subject: Re: Context for Loder Quote Requested Errrrr.... obviously you don't quite understand that my post was a joke between myself and the previous poster, who had said with concern that he was a fan of Tangerine Dream, Eno, and Hawkwind and that Kurt Loder had mentioned them and he was worried that MTV was trying to jump on the bandwagon, and I was just joking around saying that Mr. Loder was making fun of these bands. I'm sorry to have confused you. p e @ c e SemaJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: A Job for Scott or Vic? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Howdy, Groovy Guys 'n' Gals, In tinkering with a THE COMPLETE KEEP (as opposed to THE COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP) project proposal, it has occurred to me that although there's lotsa nice stuff on LOGOS TYPE--and although LOGOS TYPE might be a researsal and/or studio-recorded session rather than a live show-- there were other times and places that music from THE KEEP showed up. One I know of for sure is Crydon 1982. Another is Birmingham 1982. Would someone out there familiar with TD's 1982 live material give me some sort of idea of the data available on shows from this period which featured KEEP-related music? Specifically, what is and is not similar to LOGOS TYPE, sound quality, duration (in minutes) of relevant material, and 'redundancy factor' (whether one live show and another particular live show are so similar that listening to both back-to- back is a very boring experience). -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'I'm an evangelical agnostic. I knock on peoples doors and say 'I don't know. What do you think?' --Alan X (unspecified newsgroup contributor) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14868 Re: A Job for Scott or Vic? Florine Epure Mon 6/22/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sat Jun 20, 1998 11:59 pm Subject: Re: [No TD] New KW tour ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' >According to the studio host, Ralph Hütter and Florian Schneider is now >working on a new album in the KlingKlang studio, and they are not >talking to anyone. From what was said on the Kraftwerk list, the new album has dance and ambient tracks. The dance(techno) tracks were 'uninspired' The ambient tracks 'blew' the listener away. Of couse this came from an unnamed source in the music industry on the K-list--believe what you want. Greg H. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 7:42 am Subject: Green Desert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Tom Resident Did anyone experienced ' Green Desert' tune in the Mojave Desert of So. California on a HOT sunny day? It's out of this world! Any other close encounters? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14826 Re: Green Desert Tom Resident Sun 6/21/1998 3 KB 14835 Re: Green Desert noexit@m... Sun 6/21/1998 3 KB 14844 Re: Green Desert PENFOLD Sun 6/21/1998 3 KB 14856 Re: Green Desert Jens Kilian Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 14991 Close Encounters (RE: Green Desert) Jim Moore Thu 6/25/1998 4 KB 14863 Re: Green Desert Jens Kilian Mon 6/22/1998 4 KB 14936 Re: Green Desert Steve Whiteley Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14960 Green Desert =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui? Wed 6/24/1998 3 KB 14997 Re: Green Desert Jens Kilian Thu 6/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 9:01 am Subject: Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' > >I can't help feeling that the other guys (surprised Mr Gearhead Nagle >hasn't joined in yet! :-) ) are pitching a bit high here. If your sole >intention is for teaching kids to play keyboards, there are two >inexpensive routes. Forget all this talk of workstations and $1000 >synths etc (even though I would love an Access Virus too!). Err, I recommended the Yamaha PSR 220 for about $280. It has excellent 'touch sensitive' keys (5 octaves), the best you can get (to learn playing) for that price. F.e. the keys of the new Yamaha ANX1 or the Roland JP8000 synth sucks big times. Well, they are good enough to hold a chord for 20 bars. Go figure. ;-) Actually, a piano is the best 'gear' to learn playing but it won't be cheap. Jens np: Mind~Flux: Trancefloor From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 10:33 am Subject: keith emmerson/poland on topic off topic? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: NAdams43@a... >e man wrote >have you ever seen keith emmerson live,the man was in my opinion the best keyboard player on this planet. unfortunately i have never seen elp live,always wanted to but never got the chance,i dont know about keith emmerson being the best keyboard player,but certainly one of the best. trillogy off the album of the same name is one of my all time favorites which i can play over and over again without it sounding to much after a while.this is one track that certainly shows what a great keyboard player he is. did i hear a while ago that he is ill with something ? cant remember what. ok this is on topic, can anyone tell me what the track is called on poland that is on the lp version but not on the cd version.it is a 4 min track on the end of tangent. has this appeared anywhere else, on a boot perhaps, called anything else? regards nick Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14853 Re: keith emmerson/poland on topic off topic? mark chmielewski Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 10:47 am Subject: RE: Green Desert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= NO, but I experienced tuning ' Mojave plan ' in the green desert that is three miles from my house. On a rainy day. I had to buy new headphones. Fred, always ready to make mad experiences. -----Message d'origine----- De: tadream mailing list [SMTP:tadream@c...] Date: dimanche 21 juin 1998 09:42 A: tadream@c... Objet: Green Desert ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Really-From: Tom Resident Did anyone experienced ' Green Desert' tune in the Mojave Desert of So. California on a HOT sunny day? It's out of this world! Any other close encounters? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 11:44 am Subject: Videos for sale??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: blazzer891@w... (John BLAZZER891) Not sure if there would be a market for these tapes but I thought I would ask. I have 7 bootleg concert VHS video tapes that I was thinking of selling to the highest bidder. They include the following:Cleveland 8/98, Athens 1983, Kansas City 1986, Coventry Cathedral 75, Baltimore 1992, Brandenberger 1990, and a tape called Video compilation. Most of the videos are half decent quality for being bootleg tapes. If anyone out there has never seen TD in concet before, this could be your chance!! Let me know if anyone is interested in these 7 videos. If you are, then I will put them up for auction like the CD's I did before, if not, then I will just shove them in the garage somewhere. PS-these cost me $25 a piece at a convention several years ago. Thanks for taking the time to read this, John Bored? Take a trip to my homepage!!!!!!! http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/a/blazzer891.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14845 Re: Videos for sale??? Marcel Engels Sun 6/21/1998 3 KB 14846 Re: Videos for sale??? Marcel Engels Sun 6/21/1998 6 KB 14847 #tadream feldon@p... Sun 6/21/1998 3 KB 14894 Re: Videos for sale??? John BLAZZER891 Mon 6/22/1998 6 KB 14898 Re: Videos for sale??? Sean Montgomery Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 11:41 am Subject: Re: poland ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: NAdams43@a... > >ok this is on topic, can anyone tell me what the track is called on poland >that is on the lp version but not on the cd version.it is a 4 min track on the >end of tangent. has this appeared anywhere else, on a boot perhaps, called anything else? AFAIK there are three different Poland CD versions: Excerpts w/o Tangents [Jive Electro CHIP 22], The single CD Castle version w Tangents (I take it that's the one you have) and a 2CD set with the complete material of the LP. The Dream roots comp also offers an awful lot of Poland stuff incl. Rarebird, the track you might mean (I'm not sure), as I don't have the LP and the 2CD set neither. Kind Regards Jens np: Tri Atma: Belong to the sun! (Guitars/synths (Jens Fischer) and tablas (by the fabulous Asim Saha) , the perfect east-west music for a hot summerday, 33 degrees Celsius). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14830 Re: poland TWeibre361@a... Sun 6/21/1998 2 KB 14834 Re: poland Jens Peschke Sun 6/21/1998 3 KB 14839 Re: poland feldon@p... Sun 6/21/1998 3 KB 14842 Re: poland TWeibre361@a... Sun 6/21/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 12:06 pm Subject: Re:Keith Emerson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: SRiser3600@a... ok another off topic.. but who cares.. Yes Emerson is in my opionion one of the best.. I am lucky enough to have seen ELP about 8 times over the years starting in 72.. The best tour was probably 'Brain Salad Sugery' BYE, Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 12:07 pm Subject: Re: poland ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-06-21 07:49:02 EDT, you write: << np: Tri Atma: Belong to the sun! (Guitars/synths (Jens Fischer) and tablas (by the fabulous Asim Saha) , the perfect east-west music for a hot summerday, 33 degrees Celsius). >> whatever happened to them? tom w np: mouse on mars - autoditacker From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 12:31 pm Subject: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Ian Shillingford Hi (or the stereotypical 'G'day'), I'm in Melbourne, Australia, where it's winter at the moment. First infected with TD fever via Phaedra around '84 , and totally blown-away by Ricochet shortly after. Currently in Lurk mode due to the large amount of email that accumulates. Weekends should be longer! -Ian Shillingford Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14906 Cities Patric Donaghy Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 15097 Cities Marek Mastalerz Sun 6/28/1998 5 KB 15105 Re: Cities Andrew J. Rozsa Mon 6/29/1998 3 KB 15203 Re: Cities Jeffrey Au-Yeung Thu 7/2/1998 3 KB 15205 Re: Cities Sean Montgomery Thu 7/2/1998 3 KB 15206 Re: Cities Elias Granillo, Jr. Thu 7/2/1998 3 KB 15217 Re: Cities Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 7/3/1998 2 KB 15250 Re: Cities Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 7/4/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 12:36 pm Subject: Re: question for techies, gearheads, & musicians ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' ----Original Message Follows---- Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Err, I recommended the Yamaha PSR 220 for about $280. It has excellent 'touch sensitive' keys (5 octaves), the best you can get (to learn playing) for that price. F.e. the keys of the new Yamaha ANX1 or the Roland JP8000 synth sucks big times. Well, they are good enough to hold a chord for 20 bars. Go figure. ;-) Actually, a piano is the best 'gear' to learn playing but it won't be cheap. Jens I figured the same way, until I decided my 8 year old son needed one, and commited myself to the task of buying one. Within two weeks, I found and purchased an upright Hamilton/Baldwin (used) from a retired college professor who was moving to Florida for $300. It's in excellent condition, by the way. JJ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 12:44 pm Subject: RE:Force Majeure Mystery... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ami.hassinen@e... (Hassinen Ami) >Really-From: noexit@m... >Hey Guys.... >Help me explain a mystery... On Cloudburst Flight off of Force Majeure... >How does Mr. Froese create those incredible guitar/synth-esque sounds with >those really giant pitch leaps into the heavens??? What type of equipment >was used to produce such a thing??? Hello noexit! The story behind those high pitch guitar sounds is most likely much simpler than one might think...It is just an ordinary guitar solo played by Edgar, but it is recorded at about half the the normal tape speed. Hence the 'chipmunk-like' guitar sound, when the solo is played back at the normal speed. This gimmick is probably becoming forgotten in this age of hard disk recorders ;-) You can hear some guitars recorded with the same method on Manuel Gottsching´s excellent 'Inventions for the electric guitar'... Cheerio, Ami www.nettilinja.fi/~ahassine From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 1:18 pm Subject: Re: poland ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: TWeibre361@a... > ><< np: Tri Atma: Belong to the sun! > (Guitars/synths (Jens Fischer) and tablas (by the fabulous Asim Saha) , the >perfect east-west music for a hot summerday, 33 degrees Celsius). > >> > >whatever happened to them? Dunno. 'Belong to the sun' (from 1989) seems to be their latest release, sadly. Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 2:45 pm Subject: Re: Green Desert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: noexit@m... At 12:42 AM 6/21/98 -0700, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: Tom Resident > > >Did anyone experienced ' Green Desert' tune in the Mojave Desert of So. California on a HOT sunny day? >It's out of this world! > >Any other close encounters? > > Force Majeure is incredible on a subway with the interior lights off... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 2:53 pm Subject: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: noexit@m... Does anyone on here use ICQ? If you've never heard of it, point your browser to http://www.icq.com You can find me with my ICQ number 8504862. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14854 Alf van Beem Mon 6/22/1998 2 KB 14882 Re: Michael Schuelke Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 14888 Re: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui? Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 14889 Re: Sean Montgomery Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 15126 John BLAZZER891 Mon 6/29/1998 3 KB 15129 Re: feldon@p... Tue 6/30/1998 3 KB 15144 Re: J.E.Owens@A... Tue 6/30/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 3:02 pm Subject: Re: d:live posts or lack thereof ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Steve Yensen' The tadream mailing list wrote: << thanks to those who have posted on the D:live stuff. I recently heard from some folks who said they haven't contributed to the d:live discourse because they didn't like some of the material. >> Of course, it is possible that some of us have not contributed because we haven't received our Tape Tree stuff yet. I certainly haven't received mine... I particularly want to comment on the Bradford 1974 gig, as I was there in body, although probably not completely in mind ;-). If anyone on the TD list knows a Mr. Jeremy Jackson, reading Colour Chemistry at Bradford University in 1974, please contact me off-list. He was the one who introduced me to TD - we were both at the gig. Dream on, Steve From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 4:35 pm Subject: Re: Dream Dice Diatribes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 07:45 PM 6/18/98 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >Point 1- The information regaring the special release nature of Dream Dice >was available on the site from day one. It clearly stated (though not on >that particular page...) that this was a one-off sales item on this site >*AND* that >all the individual CD's would be made available for sale at a (not very) I saw the 'Only available in a box' and ran with it. >later date though other retailers. Let's see...they're shrewd businessmen >only in it to milk the fans, so naturally they're not going to make it easy >for everyone to >get these discs? Are some of you really that logically-challenged? No, just many of us have purchased the stupid CD-5 Maxi Singles which contain ONE MORE TRACK... We're tired of boxed sets which contain 80% already released stuff. >Point 2- All of the previously released CD's in the set are in fact not too >common. In order: >-Dream Mixes- Oficially released only in the UK; loads of people here in >the 'States have never even seen it, let alone the rest of the world. I had no problem finding this. >-Oasis- Again, most people never saw this over here until it was issued by >Miramar. yeah, but I have the miramar version. >-Tournado- This was the only one of the TDI releases so far that I actually >saw in the sales racks and in great numbers. Yep, this is readily available in the US. Pity I have no interest in it. >-Quinoa- Do I even have to mention that this was rare? I missed the opportunity to buy this from Voiceprint (more like they ignored my order) >-Ambient Monkeys- Limited release for the UK Tour, as stated. >-TimeSquare- Ditto above I was just going to wait for these to appear in US bins... >So, as you can see, only *1* of these was in great supply for the average >consumer to purchase! Just because *you* have a copy doesn't mean *everyone >else* does! Have you seen the tracklist for the two Atlantic discs? Is there ANYTHING unreleased on this Dream Dice boxed set? I think not! >A man went into the city one day early in the morning to >hire laborers for his fields. He hired all he found there for a reasonable >wage. At the noon hour, the man returned to hire more workers, again for a >reasonable wage. Finally, near the end of the day, he again went into the >city and hired those he found, also at a reasonable wage. At the end of the >day, everyone gathered to collect his pay, in order of the last men hired >first in line to the first men hired last. As the the owner paid out the >wages, the men at the back of the line took notice that the last hired men >were getting a full day's >wage. They began to think that they would then get more, since they had >worked all day. But when they got their pay, it was the same as the >others'. Whereupon they began to complain, saying how unfair it was that >those who were hired last should receive the same wages as those who were >there all day. To which the owner responded that he had done no wrong to >those he hired first, for he paid the what they had agreed to. If he then >decides to be generous to the others by giving them the same what harm was >done to you? Your thought processes scare me. >Point 3- The enclosed compilations will be the *first ones ever* that were >the band's choice to do, contrary to popular whining...er...*opinion*! OK, >so it's more previously released stuff; point taken. But at least this time >the cash is going to the band, rather than the controlling label (again, >contrary to some of your belief systems!) Uh huh. TD has been complaining about how terrible labels treat them. Why didn't they go independant after Virgin, or after Relativity, or after Castle? > >Point 4- As with every other item outside of basic necessities, it is *YOUR >CHOICE* as to whether or not you will buy it! If McDonalds creates a new sandwich that tastes like shit, not only am I not going to eat it, but I'm going to let other people know about it. >You don't like the fact that >some of the items are reissues-WHO CARES! It's obviously NOT intended for >you, then! You don't like the high price-WHO CARES! Wait for the indivdual >releases, then! I mean, come on! How many of you out there slinging mud >have ever run a label? I worked on the retail side of things and that was >bad enough! We don't feel sorry for you, or for Edgar and Jerome. They should pull some tapes out of the legendary safe in their lawyer's office and just put em on CDs. How complicated is that? >I'm so glad that Edgar and Jerome have the strength of their convictions >regarding their music as it relates to them and are still willing to share >it with the rest of us. It takes strength to re-re-release stuff? Um, ok... >And should the day come where I >find that the magic has gone, I will understand that it is my perception of >the matter and move along. No offense, but the magic left in 1987. There have been a few glimmers of hope since then (Oasis, Dream Mixes)... > >--------------------------------------------------- >'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring >at the line between black & white for >so long that their vision has blurred.' Again, your thinking scares me and I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. -Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 5:29 pm Subject: Re: poland ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 01:41 PM 6/21/98 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > >>Really-From: NAdams43@a... >> >>ok this is on topic, can anyone tell me what the track is called on poland >>that is on the lp version but not on the cd version.it is a 4 min track on the >>end of tangent. has this appeared anywhere else, on a boot perhaps, called anything else? There are 3, yes. One that excludes Tangent One that excludes the first 6 minutes of the concert but includes Tangent a 2CD containing all 4 'tracks' with Rarebird (the show's encore) at the end of disc 1 (either as a separate track if the writing on your CDs is blue, or not separately indexed, but tacked on to the end of Tangent if the writing on your CDs is brown) I have the BLUE 2CD by the way. =) -Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 5:33 pm Subject: RE: Transport to Jodrell Bank ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lawry Simm' Colin, If you still need a lift, please mail me... I had some trouble with my e-mail account and lost your e-mail address... sorry. Lawry Simm PS - sorry for the cross-post, but I don't know which list he's subbed to. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 5:51 pm Subject: RE: Dream Dice Diatribes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: John Battema Hi there; Haven't posted to this list in a _long_ time; just sat back and watched various people froth at the mouth from time to time, be it how much they hate new TD or how personally offended they are by any one of the recent moves (business-wise or craft-wise) made by TD. I have to say though that I'm QUITE impressed with the level of passion displayed about this Dream Dice box. Before I even read any of the (very numerous) emails about the set, I happened across the info myself on the TD site. And when I got to the page marked 'Read Me First', I did. And when I got to the end I had no misconceptions about the site and it's intentions. If I hadn't already purchased several of the other discs already (Oasis, Dream Mixes, et al), sure I could just pick up Dream Dice and get 'em all in one fell swoop. But, since I _do_ have a few already, I just took note of the part in the info where it said (in plain English, I might add) that the discs would be available for sale individually from other vendors, and the site would even keep track of where, should I have trouble finding a vendor. Imagine my suprise (mostly detached humor at first, then just irritated boredom at the waste of bandwidth later) at the response of a fair number on this list. I'm going to assume (and the last email I read did confirm in at least one case) that a few people didn't bother to read anything before launching this latest of rages. If they had, I can't fathom why any rationally-minded person would go off like so many did. With fans like these, who needs enemies? Oh well, just couldn't resist myself. Adios, John (BTW those of you who wish to greet my comments with colorful phrases and/or references to my 'thought processes', please write me directly. God knows this list could use some interesting traffic for a change; I find myself more enthralled with the 'God Loves You' or 'Buy A Russian Bride' junk emails than the routine traffic these days. Maybe d:live will resume or something. One can hope...) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 6:09 pm Subject: Re: poland ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TWeibre361@a... In a message dated 98-06-21 09:27:15 EDT, you write: << Dunno. 'Belong to the sun' (from 1989) seems to be their latest release, sadly. >> great album...great band....btw, all u daddies out there: have a happy...hope the family let you listen to td at volume max all day... tom w np: friggin tape trees From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 7:47 pm Subject: DD box single releases ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Mathew Hargreaves Hi everyone, My local record store that handles the imports just read me off all of the box titles. These are the single versions of each title that are in the box, sans the three track CD single. These should be in within two to three weeks and a price in the $20 - $22 range. The lower price will be from the mail order companies. I was told the fax list stated they were limited quantities. Based on this these are most likely extras from the production of the boxed version. I wonder if the cover art on the boxed versions will be changed once the titles go into a larger release. If they ever do see a larger release. CHEERS...Matt From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 2:03 pm Subject: Re: Green Desert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PENFOLD At 00:42 9806.21- -0700, tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Tom Resident > > >Did anyone experienced ' Green Desert' tune in the Mojave Desert of So. California on a HOT sunny day? >It's out of this world! > >Any other close encounters? I played _Green_Desert_ to open my first session as a DJ at Frequency Publica (91.5fm) at last year's Burning Man Festival.....a most appropriate tune to play out in the Black Rock Desert. Pete mailto:penfold@a... http://www.artnet.net/~penfold/dev/null 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese (founder of Tangerine Dream), on the easy way TD decides on which instruments to take on the road. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 8:51 pm Subject: RE: Videos for sale??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: blazzer891@w... (John BLAZZER891) > > Not sure if there would be a market for these tapes but I thought I > would ask. I have 7 bootleg concert VHS video tapes that I was thinking > of selling to the highest bidder. They include the following:Cleveland > 8/98, Athens 1983, Kansas City 1986, Coventry Cathedral 75, Baltimore > 1992, Brandenberger 1990, and a tape called Video compilation. Most of > the videos are half decent quality for being bootleg tapes. If anyone > out there has never seen TD in concet before, this could be your > chance!! Let me know if anyone is interested in these 7 videos. If you > are, then I will put them up for auction like the CD's I did before, if > not, then I will just shove them in the garage somewhere. > PS-these cost me $25 a piece at a convention several years ago. Hmmm, Athens would be nice! Is it in colour? That would be the first time I see it in colour. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 9:28 pm Subject: RE: Videos for sale??? I will double check for you and let you know about the Athens Thanks for taking the time to read this, John Bored? Take a trip to my homepage!!!!!!! http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/a/blazzer891.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 8:51 pm Subject: RE: Videos for sale??? To: tadream@c... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marcel Engels' > Really-From: blazzer891@w... (John BLAZZER891) > > Not sure if there would be a market for these tapes but I thought I > would ask. I have 7 bootleg concert VHS video tapes that I was thinking > of selling to the highest bidder. They include the following:Cleveland > 8/98, Athens 1983, Kansas City 1986, Coventry Cathedral 75, Baltimore > 1992, Brandenberger 1990, and a tape called Video compilation. Most of > the videos are half decent quality for being bootleg tapes. If anyone > out there has never seen TD in concet before, this could be your > chance!! Let me know if anyone is interested in these 7 videos. If you > are, then I will put them up for auction like the CD's I did before, if > not, then I will just shove them in the garage somewhere. > PS-these cost me $25 a piece at a convention several years ago. Hmmm, Athens would be nice! Is it in colour? That would be the first time I see it in colour. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14847 #tadream feldon@p... Sun 6/21/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 10:29 pm Subject: #tadream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... For those of you with a little free time today, specifically Sunday afternoon (or late Sunday evening for those of you East of GMT), the #tadream channel is open. Point your web browser at http://mirc.stealth.net/, go to DOWNLOADS, and download one of the 32 bit versions of mIRC (if you are running Windows 95, 98, or NT and NOT using America Online), or a 16 bit version of mIRC (if you are running Windows 3.1 or America Online). Install mIRC 5.31 on your hard drive (less than 3 megabytes), run the program, and select one of the 'EFNET' servers, type in a nickname for yourself, and hit Connect. (While in the Setup window, I suggest you click on the Ident tab at the top and turn it ON, and then type in 'tadream' or something) This will prevent connection problems to many servers. Also, make sure you select an EFNET server for your area. There are European EFNET, USA EFNET, and Canadian EFNET servers. You can join our channel by either typing in '#tadream' in the channel window that pops up when you successfully connect, or type /join #tadream in any open window. Topic is pretty much open-ended, but we usually discuss live recordings, their quality, etc. -Morgan feldon@p... Awpt22 on #tadream From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: KEEP Boardgame?!? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Hi, All, Thanks to the KEEP Mailing List's Joel Mullen e-mailing me about an auction, I was (under the name, 'Molasar') able to bid on and win . . . the KEEP board game! Yeah, I know, 'Huh?!? *Board game*?' I have no idea if there are any photos from the film in this item, or if any of the rulebook info is related to something like a shooting script to the film, but I guess I'll find out. -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:36:27 -0400 (EDT) From: joelm@t... To: ar402004@b... Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#17534661: Mayfair Games - THE KEEP - IN SHRINK Steven- I saw this item for sale at eBay, the world's largest personal trading community, and thought that you might be interested. [. . .] If you don't give a crap about it I don't know who else would (but others have bid on it) Regards, Joel Mullen |Title of item: Mayfair Games - THE KEEP - IN SHRINK |Seller: rasure@p... |Starts: 06/14/98 14:37:47 PDT |Ends: 06/21/98 14:37:47 PDT |Price: Currently $15.50 |To bid the item, go |to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=17534661 | |Item Description: | | Mayfair Games - THE KEEP - IN SHRINK | |Mayfair Games - THE KEEP : The boardgame based on the hit Paramount movie |Number of players : 3-6 Deep within the Balkans lies an ancient Keep. |Within its walls has slept the ultimate Evil. Now you must recover the |only weapon which will save all mankind. The game is still in the |shrinkwrap, but it is coming off at two edges and a corner. Also the box |has been dented in slightly by the weight of another box. | |Winner pays for shipping of his/her choice. | |Money orders will be send within two days(usually same day), checks must |wait 10 days to clear. Winning bidders will have 10 business days from |the date I send you your invoice to send payment. If you are bidding |from outside the US, please take this into account. | I cannot extend this because I risk losing my right to re-list |(for free) the item for non-payment. | |Check out my other auctions for more war/board games still in the shrink. |Bid on multiple auctions of mine to combine shipping costs. Send e-mail |to Stuart Kahler if you have any questions. | |------------------------------------- | | Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at |http://www.ebay.com + + + + + + + From , on June 21st, 1998: [eBay logo] Home Listings Buyers Sellers Search Help News/Chat Site Map The Latest Buzz. Check out what's new at eBay. Help us test our new listings! eBay bid history for Mayfair Games - THE KEEP - IN SHRINK (item #17534661) If you have questions about this item, please contact the seller at the User ID provided below. Seller assumes all responsibility for listing this item. Last bid for this item: $26.00 (reserve price met) Date auction ends: 06/21/98 14:37:47 Pacific Daylight Time Date auction started: 06/14/98 14:37:47 Pacific Daylight Time Seller: rasure (28) [star] First bid at: $1.00 Number of bids made: 8 (may include multiple bids by same bidder) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bidding History (in order of bid amount): molasar (0) Last bid at: $26.00 Date of bid: 06/21/98 14:34:53 Pacific Daylight Time ironfist@v... (1) Last bid at: $25.00 Date of bid: 06/20/98 18:57:07 Pacific Daylight Time guaprea@t... (16) [star] Last bid at: $15.00 Date of bid: 06/14/98 23:42:53 Pacific Daylight Time ilivings@f... (17) [star] Last bid at: $10.50 Date of bid: 06/15/98 11:22:27 Pacific Daylight Time mitchw (7) Last bid at: $5.00 Date of bid: 06/14/98 18:55:45 Pacific Daylight Time Remember that earlier bids of the same amount take precedence. Bid retraction and cancellation history (if any): There are no bid retractions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [eBay logo] Home Listings Buyers Sellers Search Help News/Chat Site Map Thanks for using eBay! Copyright © 1995-1998 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. All information contained on this web site may only be used in accordance with eBay's terms and conditions. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14849 Re: KEEP Boardgame?!? Dan J. Schulte Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 14851 Re: KEEP Boardgame?!? Steven Feldman Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 14860 Re: KEEP Boardgame?!? =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui? Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 11:31 pm Subject: Re: KEEP Boardgame?!? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: Steven Feldman > > Hi, All, > Thanks to the KEEP Mailing List's Joel Mullen e-mailing me about an > auction, I was (under the name, 'Molasar') able to bid on and win . . . > the KEEP board game! Yeah, I know, 'Huh?!? *Board game*?' > I have no idea if there are any photos from the film in this item, > or if any of the rulebook info is related to something like a shooting > script to the film, but I guess I'll find out. > > -- Steven Feldman Make sure to check under the cardboard...maybe someone hid a Keep LP in there....yuk yuk. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 11:43 pm Subject: Re: Legend ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AOutland@a... In a message dated 98-06-19 11:38:57 EDT, you write: << Did anybody get a chance to see Legend and Risky Business on TNT last night. Watching Legend reminded me that there is probably 20-30 minutes of missing music from that movie. Any comments? More Later, Frank fstephe@a... >> I have managed to record both movies from the tv to listen to at leisure. Have only done so for Legend and found the music to be fairly true to the album. However, a few pieces that I heard have been left off, notably a really good rapid sequence around the time of the arming of Jack, and when Lily is spying on the goblins, and when Jack and company try to cross the marsh leading to the tree of Darkness. These sounds were good so I wish they had been included. Oh well. Dell From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Re: KEEP Boardgame?!? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:31:41 -0700 >Subject: Re: KEEP Boardgame?!? >To: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Dan J. Schulte > >> Really-From: Steven Feldman >> >>[. . .] I was [. . .] able to bid on and win . . . the KEEP board game! >>Yeah, I know, 'Huh?!? *Board game*?' > >Make sure to check under the cardboard...maybe someone hid a Keep LP in >there....yuk yuk. Well, actually, I was hoping that there were metal or cardboard figures in there so I could fondle Glaeken's Energy Rod. ;) Wouldn't it be a sick irony if the game comes with a $3-off coupon for the record? ;) (When I bought the video of an OUTER LIMITS episode back around 1986, there was a coupon inside for $5 off from the purchase of a copy of THE OUTER LIMITS COMPANION--which was written by F. Paul Wilson pal David Schow--who is one of the fathers of 'splatter-punk.') -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'I'm an evangelical agnostic. I knock on people's doors and say, 'I don't know. What do *you* think?' --Alan X (unspecified newsgroup contributor) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 3:39 am Subject: D: Live Tape Tree 1 Tape 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Boneheads1@a... Ever since I first heard TD (Phaedra, 1974) and started getting into their music I have wanted to know more about where they came from. I am very thankful that these tapes exist, and that I have finally been able to hear them. Like The Beatles' Revolution No 9, or Edgar Varese's Musique Concrete, this stuff is on the bleeding edge of avante garde. Somehow, letting go of accepted forms frees one to reach farther if one dares. There is too much purpose to this music to assume it to be an eccentric flight-of-fancy, and this is probably more obvious now, as seen through the legacy of TD masterpieces, than it was then. These performances go back to synth basics. They make live and immediate use the technology of the time. The soundscapes are massive and challenge the listener's attention as well as patience. This music busily explores and develops its own identity, rather than bothering about proclaiming to be what some would rather it be. Acceptance on the part of the musicians and the listeners is the welcome mat to the soul of this music. Meanwhile, the musicians continue through incredible vocal layerings and texturizing and smoothly evolving modulations. The second piece starts with a heavily influenced 'Saucerfull Of Secrets'-ish chorale. Two guitar parts make me wonder who the other guitarist was, or if there were overdubs, or pre-recorded tapes, etc.. However, instead of ending on the chorale, this piece is taken over by a driving crescendo which dissipates into a lovely space which is faded out. Wow! I wonder where that went. Side II begins with a very stark, severe scene. It doesn't take long to find yourself in the space-scape. Soothing the harshest alien reality, the guitar plays through, but does not disturb the scene. Interplay between the popping synth-creatures, mellotron-vocal statements, resonating guitar chords and modulating dives and ascensions produces a whole that is quickly alive and gravely expansive. One's senses can become overcome in the onslaught, like riding in the dissolving tail of a comet. The music, however, is undeterred. Steady and relenting, nothing is an obstacle. To those who follow, new horizons are opened wide. And much more incredibly, the details are filled in with essences. This music feels more like experience and vision than mindless experimentation, and even so, it is all brought home in a very personalized statement. The guitar makes blues-ish soul resonances over gravity-free synth pizzicato rolls. Space seems to be shouting at humanity. The apparent silence but a deception. Yet humanity is dissolved by space. Tim From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 5:30 am Subject: Re: keith emmerson/poland on topic off topic? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mchmiele@i... (mark chmielewski) I think that you might be quoting from me, regardless, He had an operation on his hand a few years ago....they are touring this year but he can only handle about an hour or so of playing at any one time. >>e man wrote > >>have you ever seen keith emmerson live,the man was in my opinion the best >keyboard player on this planet. > >unfortunately i have never seen elp live,always wanted to but never got the >chance,i dont know about keith emmerson being the best keyboard player,but >certainly one of the best. > trillogy off the album of the same name is one of my all time favorites >which i can play over and over again without it sounding to much after a >while.this is one track that certainly shows what a great keyboard player he >is. > did i hear a while ago that he is ill with something ? cant remember >what. > >ok this is on topic, can anyone tell me what the track is called on poland >that is on the lp version but not on the cd version.it is a 4 min track on the >end of tangent. > has this appeared anywhere else, on a boot perhaps, called anything else? > > regards > nick > > > > > From: tadream@c... 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(tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 8:40 am Subject: Re: Green Desert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jens Kilian > Any other close encounters? Playing 'Rolling down Cahuenga' while driving down Cahuenga Blvd in LA ;-) Been there, done that. Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-14-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14991 Close Encounters (RE: Green Desert) Jim Moore Thu 6/25/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 9:01 am Subject: Re: D:live - week 3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: ami.hassinen@e... (Hassinen Ami) Aloha Folks! This time there´s unfortunately just one tape that I´ve heard. I´ll give you my comments on it anyway, knowing that my scope is very limited as far as this tour goes... June 21 / Week 3: 1974 UK Tour, all tapes         10.29.74 Sheffield (City Hall)                 Boots:  TD 74-78 (MC) -- excerpt                 Tapes:  44min. (Au) Technical quality of the recording is moderate, but there´s quite a bit of hiss around. But balance is rather good for an audience recording. This one would be a good candidate for some EQ processing... Musically this is one of the more minimalistic shows I´ve heard from mid 70´s TD. There´s probably more happening than 'meets the ear' (what the heck? ;-), but most of it is drowned by the omnipresent hiss. Very dark textures and not much else. I think it was a great improvement that they made extensive use of their sequencers ALSO during their concerts a little while later. The sequencers often created the essential backbone to keep things running. This material has some moments that are quite comparable to Atem and to the quieter parts of Phaedra. Their equipment is clearly better and more versatile than in 1973 and early 1974. Nice touches of VCS 3 there at the start and some mellotron flutes too. It is just the rather ordinary sounding organ that keeps the feet firmly on the ground. Otherwise everything sounds already pretty other-worldly...the modest sequences there at the end remind me of Phaedra. To make this kind of minimalistic sea of sound really interesting for more than a few minutes is practically an impossible task without the studio technology and carefully carved sounds. I think TD does not succeed remarkably well here. As an actual concert experience it may have felt much better. Anyway, to have a document like this is much much better than having no document at all (but then, there´s those tapes at Edgar´s lawyer´s place...;)) I think this tour was nevertheless a great improvement on those Pont-de-Ce-days a little earlier (I´ve got that tape now, thanks Lars), when there was even less dynamics in their live set. This time things are clearly on the verge of the classic TD stuff that we all know and love. I remeber that I read somewhere that they performed this tour in almost total darkness. Perhaps I should hang a live pic of them from the era on the wall, light a candle (just the candle...I know what you were thinking ;-), put out the lights and try to listening to this tape again... Thanks again for everyone involved in putting this tape tree/D.live-thing together. This is the stuff that I was waiting to see when I signed to the list... cheerio, Ami www.nettilinja.fi/~ahassine ps. I think that the USA team really should have won the Iran yesterday. You put on a magnificent show and deserved to win. Too bad that the luck was not on your side this time...Soccer rules!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 9:15 am Subject: DD arrived ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: J.Peschke@s... I take it, some are interested in its details ? Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 8:40 am Subject: RE: #tadream ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= I received this mail on Monday, as you see below, but thanks for the URL, it will be useful next time... Fred -----Message d'origine----- De: tadream mailing list [SMTP:tadream@c...] Date: lundi 22 juin 1998 00:30 A: tadream@c... Objet: #tadream Really-From: feldon@p... For those of you with a little free time today, specifically Sunday afternoon (or late Sunday evening for those of you East of GMT), the #tadream channel is open. Point your web browser at http://mirc.stealth.net/, go to DOWNLOADS, and download one of the 32 bit versions of mIRC (if you are running Windows 95, 98, or NT and NOT using America Online), or a 16 bit version of mIRC (if you are running Windows 3.1 or America Online). Install mIRC 5.31 on your hard drive (less than 3 megabytes), run the program, and select one of the 'EFNET' servers, type in a nickname for yourself, and hit Connect. (While in the Setup window, I suggest you click on the Ident tab at the top and turn it ON, and then type in 'tadream' or something) This will prevent connection problems to many servers. Also, make sure you select an EFNET server for your area. There are European EFNET, USA EFNET, and Canadian EFNET servers. You can join our channel by either typing in '#tadream' in the channel window that pops up when you successfully connect, or type /join #tadream in any open window. Topic is pretty much open-ended, but we usually discuss live recordings, their quality, etc. -Morgan feldon@p... Awpt22 on #tadream From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 8:55 am Subject: RE: KEEP Boardgame?!? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= 'I'm an evangelical agnostic. I knock on people's doors and say, 'I don't know. What do *you* think?' --Alan X (unspecified newsgroup contributor) That's a good idea ; in fact, how many people took the time to discuss with ? Fred I will go to the IRON MAIDEN or JULIO YGLESIAS (1) mailing list and say : ' Hello ! I don't know... What do you think [about the music] ?' (1) I choosed two ' things ' I do not listen to. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 9:10 am Subject: about TD masterpiece ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= HELLO, Tdreamers ! Tim lately spoke about TD masterpieces. BTW, I would like to say I wanted to make a collegue listen to RUBYCON. I couldn't make any excerpt from it. So I taped it in its integrality (and I hope she would buy the album, so that EF/.. /.. won't lose money.) I could extract some pieces from the 4 tracks on AQUA but RUBYCON, I couldn't : I think this is a masterpiece property... BTW2, what do you think about RUBYCON REVISITED. I do not have this item but saw it on a TD album listing. The cover is a **detail ** of the blue booklet from RUBYCON [ORIGINAL] revisited in ...**red ** ! Is it live ? The time is about the one of the original (35 min 36 s). Greetings, Fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14865 Re: about TD masterpiece Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Mon 6/22/1998 4 KB 14866 Re: about TD masterpiece =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui? Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 14869 Re: about TD masterpiece Elias Granillo, Jr. Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 14914 Re: Rubicon revisited Robert Grabowsky Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14915 Re: about TD masterpiece Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14874 Re: about TD masterpiece Francisco Salgado C. Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 14884 Re: about TD masterpiece Francisco Salgado C. Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 9:13 am Subject: RE: Job Inquiry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= The opportunity for the better life is here, it's waiting! But only YOU can take that all important step that separates the achievers from the dreamers. Order NOW! Haha ! If they don't want DREAMERS, they might have given a look at the name of our list ! ! Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 9:19 am Subject: RE: Green Desert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= Playing ' EXIT ' when quitting work. Great. Fred -----Message d'origine----- De: tadream mailing list [SMTP:tadream@c...] Date: lundi 22 juin 1998 10:40 A: tadream@c... Objet: Re: Green Desert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jens Kilian > Any other close encounters? Playing 'Rolling down Cahuenga' while driving down Cahuenga Blvd in LA ;-) Been there, done that. Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-14-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 9:52 am Subject: Mail envelopes - earn BIG money!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'ashok prema' Spammer writes: >>Send CASH, CHEQUE or MONEY ORDER to: (please allow 4 weeks for delivery if payment is by cheque) ACTIVE INVESTMENTS P.O. Box 165 Lindsay, Ontario, Canada K9V-4S5 ENCLOSED IS $19.95 FOR THE COMPLETE HOME MAILER'S PROGRAM. NAME:__________________________________________________________________ ADDRESS: ______________________________________________________________ City: _____________ State/Province:_________ ZIP/POSTAL CODE:__________ Country___________ E-Mail Address______________________________________ Phone Number ( )_______________________________________________ COMPARE $19.95 ---------------------------------------------------------- $1,000's The amount of money I would like to earn each week is: O $500.00 O $1,000.00 or more. << I got really interested - but they don't have a 'I'd like to earn $17,000,000 each week' box (circle!) - so I'm out!! Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 10:10 am Subject: Re: about TD masterpiece ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= > >BTW2, what do you think about RUBYCON REVISITED. I do not have this item >but saw it on a TD album listing. The cover is a **detail ** of the blue >booklet from RUBYCON [ORIGINAL] revisited in ...**red ** ! Is it live ? The >time is about the one of the original (35 min 36 s). Rubycon Revisited is not an official release. It is a pirate (so I am told by those in the know) as opposed to a boot. It features all of the music from Rubycon, segued into one track, with effects, drum beats and other items played over the original music. In some places, this totally obscures the original and in the remainder, demotes the synths to pure background effects. Someone suggested that the new music is from Black Sabbath, but I cannot confirm this (not a BS fan). Perversely, I quite enjoy this mix, and probably listen to it more than the original, but I accept that it will not be to everyone's taste. NP : David Wright - Ocean Watch (Using the same presets as TD 8-)) ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 12:25 pm Subject: RE: about TD masterpiece ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= Thank you for the tip, Craig ; now that you've said it, I may remember it has been on the topic last year on the list... Let's Dream on... Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 12:41 pm Subject: k, emmerson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: NAdams43@a... >i am lucky enough to have seen elp about eight times over the years,starting 72, >the best tour was probably Brain Salad Surgery. you lucky dog. thanks jens for the tangent encore info (had a feeling it was called rare bird but didnt like to say ) i didnt know there was a double cd out of poland either,i have the single cd which contains all the music from poland except the rarebird track. i also have the double lp. bye for now nick np....elp, trillogy. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 2:21 pm Subject: Re: A Job for Scott or Vic? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Florine Epure' >tadream mailing list wrote: >Really-From: Steven Feldman >there were other times and places that music from THE KEEP showed up. >One I know of for sure is Crydon 1982. Another is Birmingham 1982. I remember Croydon 82 as being on of the best quality 82 shows - it is only 90 min - so the end of main set 2 is missing. Birmingham 82 is has good quality also but is 110 min so it is integral. The first set on average lasts 45 min and second set is about 50-55 min. > Would someone out there familiar with TD's 1982 live material give >me some sort of idea of the data available on shows from this period >which featured KEEP-related music? Specifically, what is and is not >similar to LOGOS TYPE, >(whether one live show and another >particular live show are so similar that listening to both back-to- >back is a very boring experience). All shows are similar.And similar to Logotypes.There are small differences in the runtime of some 'tracks'/parts into the main set - but they are the same as the content. Logotypes contains most of the 82 first set - which contains the KEEP related music. Logos contains most of the 82 second set(except first 10 min=Mojave Plan)(+beginning of first set - first 5 min). Florin. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 2:32 pm Subject: Re: about TD masterpiece ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > Rubycon Revisited is not an official release. It is a pirate (so I am told by > those in the know) as opposed to a boot. > It features all of the music from Rubycon, segued into one track, with effects, > drum beats and other items played over the original music. In some places, this > totally obscures the original and in the remainder, demotes the synths to pure > background effects. > Someone suggested that the new music is from Black Sabbath, but I cannot > confirm this (not a BS fan). Black Sabbath? Doing FX & drumbeats, etc., over an old TD (or anyone's) piece? Obviously they were way off. Whoever said that should be committed. E-Man Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14914 Re: Rubicon revisited Robert Grabowsky Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14915 Re: about TD masterpiece Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [No TD] New KW tour ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Flemming Larsen > > > Gabe wrote : > > >> np: kraftwerk in nyc 6/13/98 > >Wow, tapes of the shows already? > >Is there a lot of new material on it, or is it just mostly more remixed > >old tunes? Is there ANY new material on it? > > Probably mostly old stuff. You have to wait a little longer for new material. > YES, apparently there's a new Kraftwerk album on the way. > According to the studio host, Ralph Hütter and Florian Schneider is now > working on a new album in the KlingKlang studio, and they are not > talking to anyone. How many times have I heard THAT one before... Whether this will finally be 'the one' remains to be seen. This new album has been brewing for what, five, six years now??? > Flemming. ObTD: let's hope the wait for _Lion's Share_ makes it worthwhile. Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 2:50 pm Subject: Wanted: Risky Business Audio Press Kit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek Does anyone on this list have the Risky Business Audio Press Kit with the 2 LPs? I am interested in purchasing this. If you have this and don't want to sell it, could you contact me off list anyway? I'd like to ask a few questions. Thanks in advance. BTW, did anyone get the 2 CD bootleg of this audio press kit that was just recently released? Nice item to have but quite expensive! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14876 Re: Wanted: Risky Business Audio Press Kit feldon@p... Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 14879 Re: Wanted: Risky Business Audio Press Kit Gabe Yedid Mon 6/22/1998 4 KB 14880 Re: Wanted: Risky Business Audio Press Kit feldon@p... Mon 6/22/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 3:02 pm Subject: Dream Dice details ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid If you want to share with us, Jens, please go ahead... but please say lots about the new stuff! ;) Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14877 Re: Dream Dice details de Kruis, Hans SNV-MCF/9 Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 14881 Re: Dream Dice details Michael Schuelke Mon 6/22/1998 4 KB 14885 Re: Dream Dice details Jens Peschke Mon 6/22/1998 4 KB 14890 Re: Dream Dice details TangerineC@a... Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 14891 Re: Dream Dice details TangerineC@a... Mon 6/22/1998 2 KB 14892 Re: Dream Dice details TangerineC@a... Mon 6/22/1998 2 KB 14893 Re: Dream Dice details Jens Peschke Mon 6/22/1998 4 KB 14928 Re: Dream Dice details Michael Schuelke Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 3:02 pm Subject: Jim Rakete Photo Book ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Hi Today I found a non-music book of some TD relevance. Jim Rakete had a photo book out last year titled 'Jim Rakete Photographien 1970-1997', published by Schirmer/Mosel. Some photos of TD taken by him were used on albums such as Melrose and Goblin's Club (US release). This book includes only one photo of TD. Photo no. 44 shows Edgar, Jerome and Linda standing by a small pond. In the background was a yacht and some palm trees. The band wore clothes similar to the colour photos on the Shepherd Bush CD single and the US Goblin's Club CD. The photo has the title 'Tangerine Dream, 29 Palms 1996', so it was possibly taken in the same period/trip of the band. BTW the colour of the photo, like all others, is tasty black and white in very high quality print. The books also has photos of, among others, David Bowie, Bono, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, Wim Wender, Nina Hagen, Mick Jagger, Kraftwerk etc. The cover is a nice photo showing Nina Hagen holding a cigarette. On the whole this book should be a very pleasant read. Hope this is of interest, Jeffrey ICQ no. 9326338 'A Bodhisattva should develop a mind which alights upon no thing whatsoever.' - Buddha From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 4:08 pm Subject: Re: about TD masterpiece ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= > > HELLO, Tdreamers ! > BTW2, what do you think about RUBYCON REVISITED. I do not have this item > but saw it on a TD album listing. The cover is a **detail ** of the blue > booklet from RUBYCON [ORIGINAL] revisited in ...**red ** ! Is it live ? The > time is about the one of the original (35 min 36 s). Rubycon revisited is no more then a joke. A masterpiece cannot be ' revisited'. It's like someone did grafitty over the Giocconda and call it Giocconda revisited. Francisco From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 3:11 pm Subject: FW: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'de Kruis, Hans SNV-MCF/9' >Hello Dreamers, > >I live in a place called Hendrik Ido Ambacht, near the most beatifull city >in the >world Rotterdam. > >My first experience with TD was: Ricochet >My only live experience was: last year in Amsterdam >My best albums: Encore, Optical Race, Underwater Sunlight, White Eagle, >Poland, Tangram and Force Majeure ( There is no particular order) > >I don't buy Dream Dice, because it is too expensive in one time and I have >the most of it, but I will certainly buy the rest individually. > >Dream on, > >Hans de Kruis >E-mail (business) HANS.H.DEKRUIS@O... > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 3:08 pm Subject: Re: Wanted: Risky Business Audio Press Kit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 10:50 AM 6/22/98 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Vic Rek > >Does anyone on this list have the Risky Business Audio Press Kit with >the 2 LPs? I am interested in purchasing this. If you have this and >don't want to sell it, could you contact me off list anyway? I'd like >to ask a few questions. Thanks in advance. > >BTW, did anyone get the 2 CD bootleg of this audio press kit that was >just recently released? Nice item to have but quite expensive! The best material from this appears in stellar quality on Electronic Orgy. -Morgan p.s. The exclusitivity of these bootlegs; costing more than $15 a piece is a real shame, and exactly what Edgar has been fighting. It is hoped that the price of rare CD-Rs will be driven down soon... 3 Tier Dream + Dream On runs, what? $125 at least? Live! Improvised! too is at least $60 and Logostypes is getting rare... Stay tuned. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14879 Re: Wanted: Risky Business Audio Press Kit Gabe Yedid Mon 6/22/1998 4 KB 14880 Re: Wanted: Risky Business Audio Press Kit feldon@p... Mon 6/22/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 3:37 pm Subject: RE: Dream Dice details ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'de Kruis, Hans SNV-MCF/9' >---------- >From: tadream@c...[SMTP:tadream@c...] >Sent: maandag 22 juni 1998 17:02 >To: tadream@c... >Subject: Dream Dice details > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... >that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > >If you want to share with us, Jens, please go ahead... > >but please say lots about the new stuff! ;) I completely agree with you. Anyone receiving the Dream Dice box sofar. >So tell us about it, which cd is worthwile buying as the first. >Gabe > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 3:56 pm Subject: Auction at Groove Unlimited ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Hi, Groove Unlimited has KS' 'Historic Edition', 'Silver Editions', along with the TD bootleg LPs 'Don't Walk Dream Now' available for auction bid. Further details at http://mcs.nl/groove/auction.html Jeffrey ICQ no. 9326338 'A Bodhisattva should develop his mind which alights on no thing whatsoever.' - Buddha, from Diamond Sutra From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 4:28 pm Subject: Re: Wanted: Risky Business Audio Press Kit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: feldon@p... > > p.s. The exclusitivity of these bootlegs; costing more than $15 a piece is > a real shame, and exactly what Edgar has been fighting. It is hoped that > the price of rare CD-Rs will be driven down soon... 3 Tier Dream + Dream On > runs, what? $125 at least? Live! Improvised! too is at least $60 and > Logostypes is getting rare... Stay tuned. By selling official releases which cost as much per disc, if not more? (You, Morgan, defending Ed for a change?) (Speaking of which, the slumping Canadian dollar is *really* hurting the ability of those of us Canucks on a limited budget to buy these things by mail order. A $20 U.S. item now goes for about $30 Can. after exchange, then factor in our lovely sales taxes, S&H...that's bloody near $40 Can. for *one* TDI disc! I sincerely hope these albums are actually *released* overseas--or the exchange rate changes for the better...) Unfortunately, I don't think Edgar will ever be able to fight the bootleggers effectively like this, primarily because of rights issues. This is particularly the case with the '80s material, since the rights to so much of that is owned by Virgin, Castle, and various film studios. For example, I doubt _Sohoman_ will contain a live version of 'Mojave Plan', since Virgin owns the rights to that. Likewise, a complete _Logos_ or the rest of _Legend_ from TDI is probably too much to ask for, again because of rights issues. Maybe TDI discs are priced so high, to allow Edgar to get enough money to buy back ALL the rights to ALL TD material everywhere? Just trying to put a positive spin on this, Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14880 Re: Wanted: Risky Business Audio Press Kit feldon@p... Mon 6/22/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 4:56 pm Subject: Re: Wanted: Risky Business Audio Press Kit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 12:28 PM 6/22/98 -0400, you wrote: >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > >On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > >> Really-From: feldon@p... >> >> p.s. The exclusitivity of these bootlegs; costing more than $15 a piece is >> a real shame, and exactly what Edgar has been fighting. It is hoped that >> the price of rare CD-Rs will be driven down soon... 3 Tier Dream + Dream On >> runs, what? $125 at least? Live! Improvised! too is at least $60 and >> Logostypes is getting rare... Stay tuned. > >By selling official releases which cost as much per disc, if not more? >(You, Morgan, defending Ed for a change?) No, not defending Ed. Just going to use the laws of Economics. If supply increases, demand decreases. Amazing how many people on the list have CD-Recorders... >Unfortunately, I don't think Edgar will ever be able to fight the >bootleggers effectively like this, primarily because of rights issues. He's not fighting bootleggers. Please re-read the Tangerine Dream webpage at www.tadream.de. So far he has only spoken against Electronic Orgy because of the vast quantity of already-released music it contains. Disc 4 is what sunk Electronic Orgy. Way too much stuff that's more readily available than anyone cares to admit... For those who don't know, disc 4 is primarily a pirate of Private Music of TD CD, the 220 Volt video, and the CD-5 maxi singles... >This is particularly the case with the '80s material, since the rights >to so much of that is owned by Virgin, Castle, and various film >studios. For example, I doubt _Sohoman_ will contain a live version of >'Mojave Plan', since Virgin owns the rights to that. Likewise, a >complete _Logos_ or the rest of _Legend_ from TDI is probably too much to >ask for, again because of rights issues. What is the purpose of Edgar releasing ANYTHING if it's not unreleased? Oh, I forgot that Edgar's just in this to make money, not distribute wonderful music... -Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 5:00 pm Subject: Re: Dream Dice details ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Schuelke Got it today. It has a very professional outfit and quality!! First i heard the 'Bonus CD' with the autogramm on it. Sound's good! Contains: 1. ca va- ca marche-ca ira encore 04:53 2. tutankhama 05:29 3. craving for cardomon 05:01 more later...... regards Michael tadream mailing list schrieb: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'de Kruis, Hans SNV-MCF/9' > > >---------- > >From: tadream@c...[SMTP:tadream@c...] > >Sent: maandag 22 juni 1998 17:02 > >To: tadream@c... > >Subject: Dream Dice details > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- > >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... > >that > >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >- > >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > > > >If you want to share with us, Jens, please go ahead... > > > >but please say lots about the new stuff! ;) > I completely agree with you. Anyone receiving the Dream Dice box sofar. > >So tell us about it, which cd is worthwile buying as the first. > >Gabe > > -- _______________________________ EVERY MAN DIES, NOT EVERY MAN REALLY LIVES. _______________________________ Michael Schülke braveheart@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 5:00 pm Subject: Re: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Schuelke tadream mailing list schrieb: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: noexit@m... > > Does anyone on here use ICQ? If you've never heard of it, point your > browser to http://www.icq.com > > You can find me with my ICQ number 8504862. Sure, you can find me under 5845739!! -- _______________________________ EVERY MAN DIES, NOT EVERY MAN REALLY LIVES. _______________________________ Michael Schülke braveheart@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 5:26 pm Subject: Ambient Monkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Really-From: PW098@a... > what do you think of Ambient Monkeys? I haven't found it yet but I > would be interested in your opinion (and anyone elses). Opinion is bound to be quite divided on this release. It's not your standard TD album. Actually, it's sort of like a sequel to the KLF's album 'Chill Out', released in 1991. It's just background music...bits of the band's trancey 1973 song 'Astral Voyager', and snippets of 'TD does the classics', all strung together with a cacophany of animal and ambient sounds. Sometimes you'll be in the mood for it, but it's certainly not as rewarding as TD's more conventional melodic work. If they had released it ten years ago it would have been as groundbreaking as Phaedra was in its day. Well, I've just made Mastercard very happy by ordering 4 of the new TD disks from RPM. I'm already preparing for dissappointment. Can anyone who's heard Transsiberia or the Hollywood Years albums put my mind at ease? SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 5:43 pm Subject: RE: about TD masterpiece ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= Really-From: 'Francisco Salgado C.' tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= > > HELLO, Tdreamers ! > BTW2, what do you think about RUBYCON REVISITED. I do not have this item > but saw it on a TD album listing. The cover is a **detail ** of the blue > booklet from RUBYCON [ORIGINAL] revisited in ...**red ** ! Is it live ? The > time is about the one of the original (35 min 36 s). Rubycon revisited is no more then a joke. A masterpiece cannot be ' revisited'. It's like someone did grafitty over the Giocconda and call it Giocconda revisited. Francisco Or even a big mac with caviar and pressed potatoes within. Or again a twin deck 96-bit CD player / recorder with a 78 rpm turntable. Or a beautiful girl who would be told not to brush her teeth. Or... Fred From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 5:51 pm Subject: Re: Dream Dice details ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > >If you want to share with us, Jens, please go ahead... > >but please say lots about the new stuff! ;) Will, as soon as it I've heard it. 8-) First some interesting details: For our Mpeg Friends (MF;-)): The CDs says 'Unauthorized Dublication or sound-sampling ....' ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ He, he, he. The Froeses are well informed about the fan activities, eh ? For our booklet friends: Don't expect too much, it's not worth mentioning, sadly. What a t###, only 8 pages. I've hardly heard the discs so far but Quinoa Extended seems to be pretty good. Voxel Ux [11:59] is way better than expected, with a certain flow I've missed in TD's recent output. Although I knew Quinoa [28:25] it's nice to have it on an official recording. ;-) The last bit Lasha [9:49] is a very slow and spacey track, reminiscent of classic music but maybe slighty to long. The bonus CD single, Michael already mentioned, is a typical fan collector item, running only 15 minutes. It comes in the Shepherd's Bush format, nice_to_have based on the first listening. The last track has a typical Edgar Froese touch, these boring sequences with no key changes, could be a leftover from Edgar's 2CD 'best of' release. More later Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 6:02 pm Subject: Re: Hollywood Years was Ambient Monkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >Well, I've just made Mastercard very happy by ordering 4 of the new TD >disks from RPM. I'm already preparing for dissappointment. Can anyone >who's heard Transsiberia or the Hollywood Years albums put my mind at >ease? The Hollywood Years Vol. I and II include only material composed by Ed & Jerry... 'The TDI Music Collection Vol. One : Dream Dice' as the box states.... No, haven't heard a bit - yet. Hope this helps nevertheless Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14887 Hollywood Years, my ass Sean Montgomery Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB 14929 Re: Hollywood Years was Ambient Monkeys Michael Schuelke Tue 6/23/1998 4 KB 14933 Re: Hollywood Years was Ambient Monkeys Gabe Yedid Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14934 Dream Dice vs. Electronic Orgy feldon@p... Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14937 Re: Dream Dice vs. Electronic Orgy Sean Montgomery Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 6:31 pm Subject: Hollywood Years, my ass ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > The Hollywood Years Vol. I and II include only material composed by > Ed & Jerry... D'oh!!!! I was afraid of this.... What movies *have* Edgar and Jerome scored? *sigh* This now has the aroma of 'leftovers and outtakes'. No wonder the TD Office ignored my request for information about these disks. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 6:39 pm Subject: RE: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= Take a look at http://mcs.nl/groove/ccd.html , they made best of cd with tracks from EO ! ! ! Fred Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14889 Re: Sean Montgomery Mon 6/22/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 8:01 pm Subject: RE: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Take a look at http://mcs.nl/groove/ccd.html , they made best of cd with > tracks from EO ! ! ! For those who don't have web access, the two tracks included on the compilation are 'Horns of Doom' and 'Das Madchen auf der Treppe'. Somehow, I can't see TDI being too happy about this. :-) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 8:03 pm Subject: Re: Dream Dice details ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... What are the names of these tracks? Tom In a message dated 98-06-22 14:00:18 EDT, you write: << The bonus CD single, Michael already mentioned, is a typical fan collector item, running only 15 minutes. It comes in the Shepherd's Bush format, nice_to_have based on the first listening. The last track has a typical Edgar Froese touch, these boring sequences with no key changes, could be a leftover from Edgar's 2CD 'best of' release. More later Jens >> From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 8:04 pm Subject: Re: Dream Dice details ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... nevermind i just go the name of the tracks, Jens. Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 8:08 pm Subject: Re: Dream Dice details ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... What movies are used on the Hollywood Years 1 and 2? Tom From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 8:43 pm Subject: Re: Dream Dice details ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > >What movies are used on the Hollywood Years 1 and 2? Tom Dunno, the booklet did not mention any specific movie. It says: 'TD did work on many HW scores over the years. Some productions never saw the the big screen others have been quite successful on box offices round the globe.' [so far so good .... ] 'Nevertheless, all of them had one thing in common; they have filled the TD library with unused music material. The 1st 2 releases of the hwy (vol. 1+2) contain material composed by ed and jerry exclusively. The songtitles will not refer to the titles of the motion pictures the material was written for.' [Me sings: how many fucking movies the Froeses actually scored in the 90s ??????] 'No other composers, ghostwriters or studiomusicians have been involved in the writing or production procedure of this record.' [means: We did it all - blame us if ye don't like it ;-)] Speaking of the music, HWI seems to be better than expected, after reading all these bits in the booklet, one track's called 'cat and snowman'. Can't be a Keep bit, than, right Stevo ? The only thing making me wondering is an awful lot of white noise backing on at least two tracks,.. What were they doing ? I reckon, TQC Mastering isn't TDB (1) Mastering, eh ? Kind Regards Jens (1) TDB (The dog's bollocks) mastering is a trademark of Stonker international From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 10:08 pm Subject: Re: Videos for sale??? For the person who asked the Athen's tape looks to be in black and white. Thanks for taking the time to read this, John Bored? Take a trip to my homepage!!!!!!! http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/a/blazzer891.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 11:44 am Subject: Videos for sale??? To: tadream@c... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: blazzer891@w... (John BLAZZER891) Not sure if there would be a market for these tapes but I thought I would ask. I have 7 bootleg concert VHS video tapes that I was thinking of selling to the highest bidder. They include the following:Cleveland 8/98, Athens 1983, Kansas City 1986, Coventry Cathedral 75, Baltimore 1992, Brandenberger 1990, and a tape called Video compilation. Most of the videos are half decent quality for being bootleg tapes. If anyone out there has never seen TD in concet before, this could be your chance!! Let me know if anyone is interested in these 7 videos. If you are, then I will put them up for auction like the CD's I did before, if not, then I will just shove them in the garage somewhere. PS-these cost me $25 a piece at a convention several years ago. Thanks for taking the time to read this, John Bored? Take a trip to my homepage!!!!!!! http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/a/blazzer891.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14898 Re: Videos for sale??? Sean Montgomery Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 10:24 pm Subject: Quinoa extended - review ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' 01 Voxel Ux [11:59] Sweeping fx chords coming in, a simple melody on top, a slighty echoed 7 step Grand piano arpeggio starts (d,f,g,a#,g,f,d to be precise ;-) after a few bars. Meeting an additional sequence based on the notes d,c,g (to prove how simple TD's music is done recently they just used the notes while a rhythmic sequence plays d,d,g',d,d,c',d,d,d') after 8 bars... Ok, I stop analysing the used notes, though it might be interesting for some of you ? After 1:30 a bridge leads to another part (in d minor ! <- the easiest scale, I just did a bit doodling on top) with some harp/guitar bits as rhythmical backing... After 5:40 (we're in A minor 7 now) a new part starts with a driving bass sequence, nice how slightly it develops. There's enough time for the track to flow quite well - unlike the quick Gobbins Crap bits. After 7 minutes (or so) finally some typical TD drums (of the 90s - not DM) are added to start another part (with a nice F major, G Major, C Major chord sequence). All in all a very nice tune, a lead Guitar on top would be nice, though. 02 Quinoa [28:25] Well, we all know this, right ? I like it, btw. 03 Lhasa [9:49] note: The booklet says: 'Lhasa is the first movement from the Tibetian cycle by TD. This cyrcle contains *six* other movements which are unreleased so far' Dooh !!! The whole CD runs only 52 minutes, why not including one or two more of these movements ? OK back to the music: A slow start with layered chords and some spare single notes (deep oboe ?) in the backing. NO beats, just floating. Reminds me a bit on Dvorak (sp?). Some effects turns in while sort of a slow melody is bulid in the foreground. I swear I've heard it before - dunno where. Although the track is not bad, they hardly any development and you're waiting for something after a few minutes. The only Tibetean influence so far are some background effects sounding like slow percussion used as backing. Mmh. Something for fans of slow classics (not for Dano in particular ;-). Well, now I know why it's called a movements - no movement so far (after 6:30!) and why the other movements maybe are not included. ;-) Would be a great end of the disc if only 5 minutes would be used, but that's only me, I might be wrong. To sum it up: Voxel Ux is the best track IMO, the whole CD is worth having if you don't already have one of these 1000 Quinoa copies... Lhasa is a nice filler, slightly to long. I'm not that keen to hear the other unreleased 5 movements. Kind Regards (hope you aren't too confused by the mentioned chords/notes) Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14900 Re: Quinoa extended - review Elias Granillo, Jr. Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon Jun 22, 1998 11:11 pm Subject: DD bonus disc kicks ass ! NO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Tangerine Dream: a va - a marche - a ira encore ( = ASCII code 135) Bonus silver disc - part of the Dream Ddice 01 a va - a marche - a ira encore [4:54] Noisy start leading to a sad chord sequence, promising start with some string piccicato bits. Nice so far. After a minute a drum track starts, not bad so far. A simple sad melody (10 notes in 4 bars ?) is added on top. Not that bad... Sounds a bit spanish. A crappy break with some samples can be heard and a simple chord/arpeggio sequence. Run-of-the-mill Euro dance with some Spanish feeling. Unfortunely no Spanish heart to nbe found, very sweetish. No surpises, you know what happens next, sadly. You can read such track after a few bars... 02 tutankhama [5:29] Disco beat starts, with funky slap bass. TD goes disco of the 70s ??? Well, the sound actually is way better. a nice simple tune on top, the typical 4 different chords are used. After a break the slap bass (anyone knows Mark King from Level 42 ?) takes over again and the melody comes back like before. Sorry, that's not Electronic music, more instrumental jazz/rock with some poppy melodies on top. Oh, well I quite like some black music done in Europe (Massive Attack/Pressure Drop) but this is just not outstanding. Gimme Rare Earth or Stanley Clarke or even Helmut Hattler's Kraan on bass, but this ??????????????????? Mission failed ! 03 craving for cardomon [5:01] Slow start, almost dark. A moog sounding simple 5 setp sequence truns in while some typical Edgar Froese chords are on top. Very hypnotic and trancey so far. Fragments of a melody with sounds used on Hyberborea/Mojave plan. Sound more like a E. Froese solo track/leftover than a Ed&Jerry bit. After 2 minutes a slighty different chord/melody fragment bit starts on top. The sequencing is a bit too simple for my taste, soon the track is over fading ot with some chords. Mmh. Nothing special, nothing too bad, done in less than an hour I assume.. To sum it up: A collectors item for die hard fans only. If a newcomer would come up with such stuff, it wouldn't be received well. Filler material not good enough for a normal release, IMO. Kind Regards Jens PS: Transsiberia seems to be tasty... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: EO 2 Bait ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman Well, It seems that those three tracks on the REAM DICE set are good candidates for ELECTRONIC ORGY 2. Let's see, what else should go on there? There's the backwards-recorded 'Maroubra Bay' from the Edgar Froese compilation ELECTRONIC DREAMS, there's 'Golgotha and the Circle Closes' from AGES, and the 15-minute version of 'Catwalk'--for starters. And let's not forget the long TV broadcast ending to THE KEEP. ;) -- Steven Feldman + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + Ben and Jerry: ice cream with enough saturated fat to kill a blue whale Eddie & Jerry (TD): band with enough CD releases to kill a bank account Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14924 Re: EO 2 Bait Vic Rek Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 12:45 am Subject: Re: Videos for sale??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > For the person who asked the Athen's tape looks to be in black and > white. This is still a great video. I got a copy from Lars, and watched it twice this weekend. Not because of the energetic stage presentation, of course...but because it's the first time I've seen the classic TD lineup of Froese-Franke-Schmoelling in action. This is TD at their creative peak. You can see what they're doing; what parts each is playing. It's fascinating! They play 'Choronzon', 'Poland', bits of 'Tangent' and 'Horizon'...and Logos Part One. After all these years of listening to those live albums, I can see what it was like to experience the live shows in person! Plus, it's the first time that I've heard Johannes speak...he's an articulate guy. I don't even mind that it's in black and white, with the occasional picture dropout. It makes the experience of watching it even more precious, as though this is footage that's been rescued from oblivion (which, in a real sense, it *has*). SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:45:45 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: Re: Videos for sale??? >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >> For the person who asked the Athen's tape looks to be in black and >> white. > >This is still a great video. [. . .] the classic TD lineup of Froese- >Franke-Schmoelling in action. This is TD at their creative peak. You >can see what they're doing; what parts each is playing. [. . .] > >I don't even mind that it's in black and white, with the occasional >picture dropout. It makes the experience of watching it even >more precious, as though this is footage that's been rescued from >oblivion (which, in a real sense, it *has*). And perhaps no thanks to The Talking Horse (Mr. Ed[gar]). Just think, if this tape makes the rounds, Edgar can make threats like he did with ELECTRONIC ORGY. READ MY LIPS, ED: MAYBE IF YOU ISSUED THE SORT OF STUFF THAT WOULD ACTUALLY APPEAL TO THE BUYER, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY MORE NEED FOR BOOTLEGGING. For years, Edgar promised a Rarities series of TD releases, but nothing surfaced. I say shit or get off the pot! You didn't pinch a loaf, so someone else went and did it for you. As for the videotape mentioned above, I can think of only a few reasons why this tape is not available to the buying public: 1) poor Edgar would have to--gasp!--pay for the rights or lease the rights from Greek television to sell copies of the videotape 2) the master source tape is either lost or degraded beyond repair I am reminded of the lame excuses given for why the vintage footage was so skimpy on the THREE PHASE video. Listen, there has to be full TD concerts on film and/or videotape out there that still exist in present- able-enough form to market as commercial releases. Hey, I'd even settle for a video release of the 1982 Dominion show chronicled on LOGOS! -- Steven Feldman + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + Ben and Jerry: ice cream with enough saturated fat to kill a blue whale Eddie & Jerry (TD): band with enough CD releases to kill a bank account Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14920 Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot! TangerineC@a... Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14939 Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot! Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14949 Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot! Dan J. Schulte Wed 6/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 1:48 am Subject: Re: Quinoa extended - review ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > >03 Lhasa [9:49] > >note: The booklet says: >'Lhasa is the first movement from the Tibetian cycle by TD. This cyrcle >contains *six* other movements which are unreleased so far' ----snip---- >A slow start with layered chords and some spare single notes (deep oboe ?) >in the backing. NO beats, just floating. Reminds me a bit on Dvorak (sp?). >Some effects turns in while sort of a slow melody is bulid in the foreground. >I swear I've heard it before - dunno where. Sounds like this one won't be granted any '[push]--repeat-track' awards... >Well, now I know why it's called a movements - no movement so far (after 6:30!) lmao! >Lhasa is a nice filler, slightly to long. I'm not that keen to hear the other >unreleased 5 movements. Boy, six movements of what Jens described above...can't wait, sheesh... E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 2:17 am Subject: Re: AMBIENT MONKEYS & Other TD Turkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 07:44 PM 6/20/1998 EDT, Steven wrote: > Yep. It's a stinkeroo. I give it a four (on a one-to-ten scale, >with one being bad). Other TD ranking in at #4 or worse? See below: > > 4 ELECTRONIC MEDITATION > 4 ZEIT I REALLY tried to get into 'Zeit.' Historically, it broke new ground, for sure. But I cannot enjoy it. I have not been able to make it all the way through even once. I tried. Honest I did. But can't. Sorry. I will try next year again, because I have this awful feeling that I am too dense and I a missing something essential. Maybe.:-( > 3 OPTICAL RACE > 3 LEGEND > 2 THREE O'CLOCK HIGH > 4 SHY PEOPLE > 4 DEADLY CARE > 4 CATCH ME IF YOU CAN > 3 JIM & PABLO: DER METEOR Got them to complete the collection, but I agree with you. They will never get any play on my audio system. Once was enough. Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14922 Re: AMBIENT MONKEYS & Other TD Turkeys feldon@p... Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 2:27 am Subject: Spring Sale Cds ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: patricdonaghy@w... (Patric Donaghy) Because of the Dream Dice release, and the need to reduce my collection somewhat, the following cds are for sale. As before, all prices include priority mail of cds to you. The original Quinoa release on Volt....asking $25.00....I know the rerelease is $20.00 with additional tracks...but the original has collector status. Oasis with original TDI cover art....asking $15.00....for the same reasons mentioned above. Ashra...New Age of Earth and Correlations...both on Virgin....asking $8.00 each. The following cds are for sale at $6.00 each: Can Landed.....Mind Over Matter Trance an' Dance....Wahnfried Time Actor....Eroc Wolkenreise....Mark Nauseef The Snake Music. Thanks. Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14908 Re: Spring Sale Cds Elias Granillo, Jr. Tue 6/23/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 2:31 am Subject: emailing lars ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> dreamers I'm having some problems with my f-ing compuserve mail program and for the moment I can only access my mail temporarily. If you are expecting something from me, you'll will be getting it soon I would appreciate it if you wouldn't send anything unnecessary to my compuserve address until further notified If you need to reach me over the next few days, please try my other email: Ljones@f... thanks lars From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 2:45 am Subject: Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-Dano's second! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > > And perhaps no thanks to The Talking Horse (Mr. Ed[gar]). Just > think, if this tape makes the rounds, Edgar can make threats like he > did with ELECTRONIC ORGY. READ MY LIPS, ED: MAYBE IF YOU ISSUED THE > SORT OF STUFF THAT WOULD ACTUALLY APPEAL TO THE BUYER, THERE WOULDN'T > BE ANY MORE NEED FOR BOOTLEGGING. Man, I could not have said it better. I've been listening to TD for a long time and when I first started...they were mysterious & unpredictable, releasing a slobberfest of melodic synth music from past & present. Now...we get this: Edgar and Jerome's peanut butter partnership which releases nothing unless it's under the father/son creative force. Edgar, you're an idiot. The fans that keep you going are the hardcore fans that have followed your band's work for 20 years...not the zit faced nerds buying your shitty father/son releases. For years, Edgar promised a Rarities > series of TD releases, but nothing surfaced. I say shit or get off the > pot! No kidding...where the hell are all of these classic Franke/Schmoelling/Baumann/Haslinger unreleased goodies?! Notice, Eddie, that these guys WILL NOT be forgotten because that's when TD was at their best! You can hate Franke all you want...without him or the other ex members you seem to be little more than a washed up cubase programmer! You didn't pinch a loaf, so someone else went and did it for you. Yep...& they will keep doing it for you Eddie! So, next time you bawl or cry about a bootleg...just remember that you did it to yourself! The longer you keep all of that good music in your vaults, the less money you will make & the more fans that will pan away from your nordic ass! ;-) > As for the videotape mentioned above, I can think of only a few > reasons why this tape is not available to the buying public: > > 1) poor Edgar would have to--gasp!--pay for the rights or lease the > rights from Greek television to sell copies of the videotape Yeah, you should hear his crying about Silva's releases. 'oh, boo hoo...they didn't call me so I could be involved.' That's right Eddie...the reason you weren't called it because if you WERE involved...there wouldn't BE any releases of older stuff. BTW, when are you and nutter butter doing a techno Keep CD? > > 2) the master source tape is either lost or degraded beyond repair > > I am reminded of the lame excuses given for why the vintage footage > was so skimpy on the THREE PHASE video. Edgar doesn't like to look at Franke...it's a painful reminder of how great TD used to be. Listen, there has to be full TD > concerts on film and/or videotape out there that still exist in present- > able-enough form to market as commercial releases. Hey, I'd even settle > for a video release of the 1982 Dominion show chronicled on LOGOS! Good luck. The best we get is Ream Dice Box Set...what a turd that is turning out to be. Two hollywood CD's and not ONE fraggin track from a member other than the Froese duo....fraggin sick. We also get multiple releases we all already bought, a skimpy 8 page booklet, a CD which was SUPPOSED TO BE A FAN EXCLUSIVE...QUINOA...HEY EDGAR..DO YOU KNOW WHAT EXCLUSIVE MEANS...you fraggin hump. BTW...I cancelled my order of those two Hollywood turds. I'm not the only one too..heh heh. A special thanks to those who posted info on the box set before I lost my money to Eddie's marketing frenzy. Oh well, back to paying high prices for bootlegs again. (sigh) Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14907 Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-D Sean Montgomery Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14910 Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-D Elias Granillo, Jr. Tue 6/23/1998 4 KB 14913 Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-D Jens Peschke Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14946 Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-D Jim & Sew Fong Jordan Wed 6/24/1998 3 KB 14951 Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-D Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 6/24/1998 3 KB 14982 Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-D TangerineC@a... Wed 6/24/1998 3 KB 15000 Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-D Gabe Yedid Thu 6/25/1998 3 KB 15026 Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-D mark chmielewski Fri 6/26/1998 4 KB 15048 Switched on TD Sean Montgomery Sat 6/27/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 1:55 am Subject: Single album releases ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Marc C. Boland' I just found out from the record shop I go to that all of the single albums Hollywood Years 1-2, Transiberia, Atlantic Bridges will all be available for order June 22nd. While this may not be news to most it definitely will be better for me financially to get them one by one. As soon as I find out what his source is I'll let everyone know. Marc (Just joined this list, give me some time to join the ruckus, I'll get better at posting.) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 3:08 am Subject: Cities ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: patricdonaghy@w... (Patric Donaghy) I live in San Francisco...have for the last ten years. I grew up in the Los Angeles area...then went east to NYC. Discovered Tangerine Dream in 1970-71 Atem..Zeit etc....I thought they really took off with Phaedra.I was working with CBS records 1974-78 in LA...CBS released Stratosfear here in the states...and supported the group's appearance at the Greek Theater in 1977...teriffic show! I have seen the group about six times with the Wiltern theatre(LA) in 1986 standing out.....saw John Tesh watching slackjawed in awe..he really was!!!! Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 3:16 am Subject: Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-Dano's second! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > I am reminded of the lame excuses given for why the vintage footage > > was so skimpy on the THREE PHASE video. > > Edgar doesn't like to look at Franke...it's a painful reminder of how > great TD used to be. Dan, take a bow. This gets my vote for funniest posting of the month! :-) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 5:34 am Subject: Re: Spring Sale Cds ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: patricdonaghy@w... (Patric Donaghy) > > The original Quinoa release on > Volt....asking $25.00 ^^^^^^^^ If I were you, I'd field offers on that one, rather than just accept $25 for it. E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 5:36 am Subject: Unreleased track on 'Dream Enocres' ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Morning fellow dreamers, have a question for the fan tape blokes in our midst: 'Dream Encores' comes with a track called 'The midnight trail', composed by Paul Haslinger and Eddie. It is supposed to be performed 1988 in New Orleans. Does anyone (having that specific fan tape) know if this track is unreleased so far. It is new at least to me and yes it is *excellent*. Is that one unreleased so far, John, Lars, Vic, anyone ? Some of the tracks seem to be overdubbed live recordings, mixer desk recordings, 'Rolling down Cahuenga' (supposed to be performed 1990 in Edinburgh, Scotland) in particular. I'm not sure about the mentioned dates/locations 'cause the booklet says Dominion is performed 1986 in London AND (c) 1980 by EMI Publ. It seems to be a slightly different version than on Logos (haven't checked it yet), fresh and cheesy, I like it. Kind Regards Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14911 Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Enocres' ?? Elias Granillo, Jr. Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14912 Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Enocres' ?? Jens Peschke Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14916 Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Enocres' ?? Jens Peschke Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14923 Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Enocres' ?? feldon@p... Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14921 Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Enocres' ?? feldon@p... Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14925 Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Enocres' ?? Gabe Yedid Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 5:46 am Subject: Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-Dano's second! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > > For years, Edgar promised a Rarities > > series of TD releases, but nothing surfaced. I say shit or get off the > > pot! > > No kidding...where the hell are all of these classic > Franke/Schmoelling/Baumann/Haslinger unreleased goodies?! Notice, Eddie, > that these guys WILL NOT be forgotten because that's when TD was at > their best! You can hate Franke all you want...without him or the other > ex members you seem to be little more than a washed up cubase > programmer! That's one thing I've just noticed about DD: after learning of the contents of Hollywood 1 & 2, notably the absence of any and all things Baumann, Schmoelling, Franke and (even!) Haslinger, it became very clear what the latest box/monument is: a byproduct of personal, nurtured conceit. It is Edgar and Jerome, Jerome and Edgar. Father & son, Kiddo & Pops. What's wrong with that? With the exception of Oasis and Dream Mixes 1, everything in the 1990s! > Edgar doesn't like to look at Franke...it's a painful reminder of how > great TD used to be. LMAO! > Good luck. The best we get is Ream Dice Box Set...what a turd that is > turning out to be. Two hollywood CD's and not ONE fraggin track from a > member other than the Froese duo....fraggin sick. We also get multiple > releases we all already bought, a skimpy 8 page booklet, a CD which was > SUPPOSED TO BE A FAN EXCLUSIVE...QUINOA...HEY EDGAR..DO YOU KNOW WHAT > EXCLUSIVE MEANS...you fraggin hump. BTW...I cancelled my order of those > two Hollywood turds. I'm not the only one too..heh heh. Yep. I cancelled Hollywood 1 & 2, and Transsiberia, as well. I'm also a proud non-owner of Ambient Monkeys :-) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 5:52 am Subject: Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Enocres' ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > >have a question for the fan tape blokes in our midst: > >'Dream Encores' comes with a track called 'The midnight trail', >composed by Paul Haslinger and Eddie. >It is supposed to be performed 1988 in New Orleans. > >Does anyone (having that specific fan tape) know if >this track is unreleased so far. It is new at least to me >and yes it is *excellent*. Is that one unreleased so far, John, Lars, Vic, anyone ? 'The Midnight Trail' is indeed composed by Paul and Eddy, and is the second-to-last track on 1988's _Optical Race_, their first Private Music release. It's one of the better tunes on the album, next to 'Marakesh,' 'Mothers of Rain,' and 'Sun Gate' (my fave). E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 6:12 am Subject: Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Enocres' ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >'The Midnight Trail' is indeed composed by Paul and Eddy, and is the >second-to-last track on 1988's _Optical Race_, their first Private Music >release. It's one of the better tunes on the album, next to 'Marakesh,' >'Mothers of Rain,' and 'Sun Gate' (my fave). Thanks, Eli. Looks like OR never got much playing. ;-) The DE version runs less than 4 minutes btw... At least I like the DE version better, can't stand the cheap sound of OR. Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 6:16 am Subject: Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-Dano's second! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Yep. I cancelled Hollywood 1 & 2, and Transsiberia, as well. I'm also a >proud non-owner of Ambient Monkeys :-) Wait a minute, Transsiberia has some interesting tracks on it. In fact they copied 4A's HOAMR version, at least the train rhythm idea. ;-) Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 6:44 am Subject: Re: Rubicon revisited ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Robert Grabowsky It is a pirate. Also you can hear pieces of Black Sabbath music within it. I happen to like it but at first I thought I would not, as most stuff that gets remixed by some unknown usually sucks. Just look at Jarremix and how bad thse unkowns F**KED up his music. RR is good if you want to really hear something different. It is also good when you can get it copied for next to nothing. My 2 Cents worth, THE HIGHLANDER From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 7:00 am Subject: Re: about TD masterpiece ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > [I said :] >> Someone suggested that the new music is from Black Sabbath, but I cannot >> confirm this (not a BS fan). > >Black Sabbath? Doing FX & drumbeats, etc., over an old TD (or anyone's) >piece? Obviously they were way off. Whoever said that should be committed. > >E-Man I meant the music is by Black Sabbath, not that they did the overdub themselves. C'mon, someone back me up here. I'm starting to look stupid. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 7:41 am Subject: Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Enocres' ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Greg Heil' Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >'The Midnight Trail' is indeed composed by Paul and Eddy, and is the >second-to-last track on 1988's _Optical Race_, their first Private Music >release. It's one of the better tunes on the album, next to 'Marakesh,' >'Mothers of Rain,' and 'Sun Gate' (my fave). Thanks, Eli. Looks like OR never got much playing. ;-) The DE version runs less than 4 minutes btw... At least I like the DE version better, can't stand the cheap sound of OR. Jens OR is pretty good IMO it gets more play time than any other TD album.. (well that's cuz it's the only TD cassette I have and it happens to be in the car) but still I like it and it's much better than Lily--MUCH better. I think it's Edgar's 'focus on design-form/sacrifice expression' album. You might call it cheap.. but I like the twangies and clicks. Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14923 Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Enocres' ?? feldon@p... Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 9:28 am Subject: concert tapes... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TradinCrds@a... if u are interested... email me at tradincrds@a... do not reply to the list to contact me... im interested in only obtaining pro shot videos of vg+ or better quality... i have a small list of videos that i have for trade when u send me your list... ask for mine please video only for now... if u are interested in other artists or bands.. please let me know... and if u have other bands represented in your collection.. let me know i dont have much in the way of td videos so i am looking to obtain some.. i will be interested in audio possibly in a month but not right now.. so keep it to pro shot video only.. for now... thank u... my web page is... http://members.aol.com/mediajunki/page1.html From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: D: Live (Tape Tree #1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: kearley@r... Date: 06/23/1998 09:06 am (Tuesday) From: Kevin Earley To: 'tadream@c... at internet'@Toronto.ccMail Subject: D: Live (Tape Tree #1) This post is at least a week late, sorry 'bout that. Les Pontes De Ce makes for difficult listening. To my ears it sounds like a 90 minute drone. This is not necessarily a bad thing, however, and as drones go, it is very good. The first half, especially, has definite drama and the intensity ebbs and flows. Listening carefully, I can pick up things happening in the background. I suspect that most of the more aurally pleasing sound was just not captured on this fan recording. Never-the-less, this is clearly a live show with all the excitement and intensity that a good live show will have. Les Pontes De Ce is a fascinating artifact. It deserves a good listen, and I recommend using your walkman and taking a stroll. It requires attention, but for me, it was worth it. Where Les Pontes De Ce was a drone, The Royal Albert Hall sounds much more ambient. In fact, great chunks of the tape sound like the bridges I have become familiar with from Ricochet, Encore etc. This show also betrays its early timeframe. When the bass sequence does kick in, it never gets out of second gear. Being familiar with their later work, it is a trifle disappointing. As is the second half which takes too long before the second sequence kicks in. This sequence (unfortunately cut off) is better, but we don't have the chance to hear it develop. The Royal Albert Hall gig is definitely much easier on the ears, but also more of a disappointment. I would also recommend listening to this one on the walkman. The long 'ambient' sections are rewarding, but they require some attention; and that first sequence can be a lot of fun! Ultimately, all the early TD - these gigs, Atem, Zeit, Alpha Centauri and possibly Electronic Meditation - reward the attentive listener. If you get the opportunity, pick one and simply listen to the music. Kevin Earley kearley@r... np: Under the Dome - The Demon-Haunted World (Excellent Berlin School influenced EM - Highly recommended!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14931 Re: D: Live (Tape Tree #1) Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 1:24 pm Subject: Dream Dices ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'de Kruis, Hans SNV-MCF/9' Hello guys, I assume the DD boxes are now distributed to a lot of people. So let us, the poorest ones, know what we miss and what we don't have to buy for this moment. F.i. how is Transsiberia or Dream encores? Thanks Hans de Kruis E-mail (business) HANS.H.DEKRUIS@O... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 1:38 pm Subject: Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... How come when Edgar was online in an interview a couple of months ago on the Sci-Fi Channel web site, no one made these statements to him? I could'nt be online at the time to tell him,but a lot of people on this list were. Tom In a message dated 98-06-22 21:43:26 EDT, you write: << READ MY LIPS, ED: MAYBE IF YOU ISSUED THE SORT OF STUFF THAT WOULD ACTUALLY APPEAL TO THE BUYER, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY MORE NEED FOR BOOTLEGGING. >> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14939 Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot! Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 1:57 pm Subject: Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Enocres' ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 07:36 AM 6/23/98 +0200, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > >I'm not sure about the mentioned dates/locations 'cause the booklet says Dominion >is performed 1986 in London AND (c) 1980 by EMI Publ. EMI probably owns the copyright for the first time it was performed. Yes, Dominion was used off-and-on for 6 years... >It seems to be a slightly different version than on Logos (haven't checked it yet), >fresh and cheesy, I like it. Yep, it was played faster as time went on. -Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 1:54 pm Subject: Re: AMBIENT MONKEYS & Other TD Turkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 09:17 PM 6/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' > >At 07:44 PM 6/20/1998 EDT, Steven wrote: >> 3 LEGEND I listen to the Unicorn Theme and Overture on Electronic Orgy quite a bit. >> 4 CATCH ME IF YOU CAN I listen to this once in a while. Especially the track that sounds like it's being played on a chain link fence. -Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 2:00 pm Subject: Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Enocres' ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 12:41 AM 6/23/98 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: 'Greg Heil' > >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > >OR is pretty good IMO it gets more play time than any other TD >album.. (well that's cuz it's the only TD cassette I have and it happens >to be in the car) but still I like it and it's much better than Lily--MUCH >better. >I think it's Edgar's 'focus on design-form/sacrifice expression' album. >You might call it cheap.. but I like the twangies and clicks. > No offense, but my 'twangy and clicky' albums are the wonder White Eagle and Exit. I've listened to Optical Race twice, also on cassette. -Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 1:01 pm Subject: Re: EO 2 Bait ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek > Froese compilation ELECTRONIC DREAMS, there's 'Golgotha and the Circle > Closes' from AGES, and the 15-minute version of 'Catwalk'--for starters. What's so special about this 15-minute version of Catwalk? Isn't this just the same original version played twice with a bridge? Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 3:02 pm Subject: Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Enocres' ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > > Morning fellow dreamers, > > have a question for the fan tape blokes in our midst: > > 'Dream Encores' comes with a track called 'The midnight trail', > composed by Paul Haslinger and Eddie. > It is supposed to be performed 1988 in New Orleans. > > Does anyone (having that specific fan tape) know if > this track is unreleased so far. It is new at least to me > and yes it is *excellent*. Is that one unreleased so far, John, Lars, Vic, anyone ? No, it's VERY released! 'The Midnight Trail'? It's the second to last track on _Optical Race_! > Some of the tracks seem to be overdubbed live recordings, > mixer desk recordings, 'Rolling down Cahuenga' > (supposed to be performed 1990 in Edinburgh, Scotland) in particular. > > I'm not sure about the mentioned dates/locations 'cause the booklet says Dominion > is performed 1986 in London AND (c) 1980 by EMI Publ. So, what happened to 'Rare Bird'? > It seems to be a slightly different version than on Logos (haven't checked it yet), > fresh and cheesy, I like it. A likeable 'Dominion'? Saints preserve us... > Kind Regards > > Jens Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 3:44 pm Subject: Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Encores' ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: J.Peschke@s... Really-From: Gabe Yedid >No, it's VERY released! 'The Midnight Trail'? It's the second to last track on _Optical >Race_! Yeah, Eli already mentioned it. I just stumbled about that bit on the TDI web site saying: 'Dream Encores: it partially contains rare and up to now unreleased pieces' Looking at the tracklist: 01. Order Of The Ginger Guild 02. Forth Worth Runway One 03. Eleanor Rigby 04. Oriental Haze 05. Story Of The Brave 06. Thief Yang And The Tangram Seal 07. Catwalk 08. Purple Haze 09. The Midnight Trail 10. Rolling Down Cahuenga 11. Towards The Evening Star 12. Dominion Looks like all tracks are previously released then (some are rare, ok, but unreleased). Does the term 'up to now unreleased track' include slightly different (live) versions of previously released tracks ??????????? Not beeing a native speaker, it looks like the TDI web site just l.. err offers slightly incorrect information. Anyone ? Anyone ? Bummer ? Kind Regards Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14932 Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Encores' ?? Gabe Yedid Tue 6/23/1998 4 KB 14948 Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Encores' ?? jowers Wed 6/24/1998 3 KB 14966 Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Encores' ?? feldon@p... Wed 6/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 3:47 pm Subject: KLEM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Schuelke Hi all, i read at the EO booklet there must be exist a so called 'KLEM' CD. Can anybody tell me more about this? perhaps how to get it ???? Thanxx Michael -- _______________________________ EVERY MAN DIES, NOT EVERY MAN REALLY LIVES. _______________________________ Michael Schülke braveheart@a... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14930 Re: KLEM Vic Rek Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 24528 KLEM Hans de Kruis Sat 10/21/2000 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 3:47 pm Subject: Re: Dream Dice details ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Schuelke it's sadly not mentioned, but if you hear the tracks very carefully you can discover relations to some wellknown soundtracks...... tadream mailing list schrieb: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > What movies are used on the Hollywood Years 1 and 2? Tom -- _______________________________ EVERY MAN DIES, NOT EVERY MAN REALLY LIVES. _______________________________ Michael Schülke braveheart@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 3:47 pm Subject: Re: Hollywood Years was Ambient Monkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael Schuelke the 'transsiberia' is a typical TD soundtrack but from ther better one. INO it's like 'Zoning' or 'Firestarter'. The 'Hollywood Years I' is very good. Some old parts - reminds me of the 80's of TD and some parts similar EF 'Beyond the storm' IMO the best of Dream Dice from what's new for me...... regards Michael tadream mailing list schrieb: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > >Well, I've just made Mastercard very happy by ordering 4 of the new TD > >disks from RPM. I'm already preparing for dissappointment. Can anyone > >who's heard Transsiberia or the Hollywood Years albums put my mind at > >ease? > > The Hollywood Years Vol. I and II include only material composed by Ed & Jerry... > > 'The TDI Music Collection Vol. One : Dream Dice' as the box states.... > > No, haven't heard a bit - yet. > > Hope this helps nevertheless > > Jens -- _______________________________ EVERY MAN DIES, NOT EVERY MAN REALLY LIVES. _______________________________ Michael Schülke braveheart@a... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14933 Re: Hollywood Years was Ambient Monkeys Gabe Yedid Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14934 Dream Dice vs. Electronic Orgy feldon@p... Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14937 Re: Dream Dice vs. Electronic Orgy Sean Montgomery Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 4:21 pm Subject: Re: KLEM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek > Really-From: Michael Schuelke > > i read at the EO booklet there must be exist a so called 'KLEM' CD. Can > anybody tell > me more about this? perhaps how to get it ???? KLEM Jubileumcassette - Holland KLEM, no cat. #, cassette, limited. ed. of 500, 4/86 Ashra - Aquamarine, 1978 K. Schulze - Berlin 1, unreleased, 1981 T. Dream - Horns of Doom, unreleased, 1986 Electronische Muziek 1989 KLEM - Holland KLEM CD 1, limited ed. of 1000, 1989 - All unreleased 1989 C. Franke - Vermillion Sands B. Kistenmacher - Lost in Thoughts K. Schulze - Unikat, unreleased T. Dream - Lost Tale Electronische Muziek 1994 KLEM - Holland KLEM CD 2, limited ed. of 1000, 1994 - All unreleased 1994 K. Schulze - Vas Insigne Electionis, 10/93 S. Roach - The Majestic Void J. Schmoelling - Galago C. Franke - Timesteps These of course are very hard to find and are collector's items, but I'm sure someone on this list can help :-) Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 2:34 pm Subject: Re: D: Live (Tape Tree #1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Really-From: kearley@r... > >np: Under the Dome - The Demon-Haunted World >(Excellent Berlin School influenced EM - Highly recommended!) You forgot to add 'autographed promo copy' to get those collectors really interested. Excellent review Kevin. Although I haven't yet received my tapes (my fault, I believe), I am looking forward to them following your comments. NP : Ian Boddy - Phoenix ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 5:30 pm Subject: Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Encores' ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: J.Peschke@s... > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > >No, it's VERY released! 'The Midnight Trail'? It's the second to last > track on _Optical >Race_! > > Yeah, Eli already mentioned it. I just stumbled about that bit on the TDI > web site saying: > > 'Dream Encores: it partially contains rare and up to now unreleased pieces' > > Looking at the tracklist: > > 01. Order Of The Ginger Guild Got the spelling right! > 02. Forth Worth Runway One Would save me the trouble of having to buy the Australian _Goblins Club_. > 03. Eleanor Rigby Got this on the _Persistence of Vision_ boot ;) (to quote Hilmar, bleeghr) > 04. Oriental Haze Got this on the Ventura '92 boot > 05. Story Of The Brave Got this on the TOTT CD5. Is the sound improved? > 06. Thief Yang And The Tangram Seal > 07. Catwalk > 08. Purple Haze > 09. The Midnight Trail > 10. Rolling Down Cahuenga > 11. Towards The Evening Star > 12. Dominion > > Looks like all tracks are previously released then (some are rare, ok, but > unreleased). Missing (IMO): --House of the Rising Sun '88 --Rare Bird ('83 or '86) --One Night in Medina (live version rocks IMO) '92 --Haslinger's take on the Waldstein Sonata excerpt '86 --Maedchen auf der treppe '97 (hey, it was an encore at some shows, wasn't it? but I got the single and the A'Dam '97 boot... ) > Does the term 'up to now unreleased track' include slightly different > (live) versions > of previously released tracks ??????????? > > Not beeing a native speaker, it looks like the TDI web site just l.. err > offers slightly incorrect information. > > Anyone ? Anyone ? Bummer ? I suppose we need to ask what their definition of 'unreleased' is. > Kind Regards > > Jens Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 5:35 pm Subject: Re: Hollywood Years was Ambient Monkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid Well, I'm actually not at all surprised that this is what it is. I think the song titles were a pretty good indicator of what to expect. However, seeing as I actually *like* _Beyond The Storm_ and much of _Zoning_, I would be willing to take a chance on these. BTW, anybody notice that 'Token from Birdland', the opening track of _Ambient Monkeys_, is in this collection? and oh yeah: how's the *song* on vol. 2? Is it comparable to Franke's attempt at songwriting on the Tenchi-Muyo ST (bleeghr!), or is it actually OK? Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14934 Dream Dice vs. Electronic Orgy feldon@p... Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14937 Re: Dream Dice vs. Electronic Orgy Sean Montgomery Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 6:04 pm Subject: Dream Dice vs. Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... Just my 2 cents, but I think that Electronic Orgy is the boxed set we wish Tangerine Dream had put out and Dream Dice is the boxed set that we wish Tangerine Dream hadn't put out. Anyone care to relay that to Edgar? =) -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14937 Re: Dream Dice vs. Electronic Orgy Sean Montgomery Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 6:09 pm Subject: Re: Keep Keep whos got the Keep.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Michael A Jean With all the talk about THE KEEP official release in doubt again, I am surprised no one has compiled a listing of who owns the 150 that were sold...(I'm not volunteeing)! MJ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15017 Re: Keep Keep whos got the Keep.... Lawry Simm Thu 6/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 6:54 pm Subject: Re: Green Desert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve_Whiteley@N... (Steve Whiteley) Night time or Day? I've listen to so many TD CDs in the desert, definitly my band of choice. I can see the heat waves dancing with Green Desert. As with most of TD Albums they seem to become intwined in my memory with the events in my life at the time of first listening. After a day of backcountry telemark skiing between the giant sequoias I made it back to my car at twilight. After making some soup and hot tea under the brillant stars I began my drive home. When Green Desert started I was just beginning down the steep road under Moro rock, wave after wave of warm fog began to flow by. The fog waves were so insync with the music that I pulled over next to a water fall to watch and listen. I'll never forget it. The music has a awesome power to it. Steve Whiteboy np Pilots of Purple Twilight Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14960 Green Desert =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui? Wed 6/24/1998 3 KB 14997 Re: Green Desert Jens Kilian Thu 6/25/1998 3 KB 18204 Re: Green Desert Steve Whiteley Mon 10/4/1999 2 KB 30379 Re: Green Desert Synthhtnys@a... Tue 12/4/2001 2 KB 30380 Re: Green Desert toby.braddick@u... Tue 12/4/2001 2 KB 30382 Re: Green Desert Matthew Stringer Tue 12/4/2001 3 KB 30381 Re: Green Desert Synthhtnys@a... Tue 12/4/2001 2 KB 30409 Re: Green Desert timing braddito Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB 30389 Re: Green Desert John Vertical Tue 12/4/2001 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 6:52 pm Subject: Re: Dream Dice vs. Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Just my 2 cents, but I think that Electronic Orgy is the boxed set we wish > Tangerine Dream had put out and Dream Dice is the boxed set that we wish > Tangerine Dream hadn't put out. Since EO was a fan effort, it obviously reflected the wishes and want lists of the band's fans. But as rare as the stuff on it was, it was all material that had been released at one time or another. Think of the box set that TD could make with their unreleased live recordings, unreleased soundtrack music, studio outtakes, and demo versions (and I don't just mean 'Seattle Years' material). I, for one, thought that the demo version of 'On Cranes Passage' that Jerome played on Electrobeats was superior to the one on Goblin's Club. And I like the demo of 'Cliffs of Sydney' as well. I'd love to hear more. *There* is the box set that TD should release. I'd pay 300 bucks for *that* SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Sun Jun 21, 1998 2:46 pm Subject: Missing digests ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Aured Azhallein Rancuel could someone be kind enough to mail me digests 17-19, for some reason they never showed up?!?!? Thanks! -Scott From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 4:05 pm Subject: Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > >How come when Edgar was online in an interview a couple of months ago on the >Sci-Fi Channel web site, no one made these statements to him? I could'nt be >online at the time to tell him,but a lot of people on this list were. Tom > >In a message dated 98-06-22 21:43:26 EDT, you write: > ><< READ MY LIPS, ED: MAYBE IF YOU ISSUED THE > SORT OF STUFF THAT WOULD ACTUALLY APPEAL TO THE BUYER, THERE WOULDN'T > BE ANY MORE NEED FOR BOOTLEGGING. >> Good question. Maybe 'cos it was moderated for a long period? (Or is that just being cynical/paranoid?) ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 821921 x8262 GEC-Marconi Radar and Defence Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------- From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 8:58 pm Subject: Re: Dream Dice vs. Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: feldon@p... > > Just my 2 cents, but I think that Electronic Orgy is the boxed set we wish > Tangerine Dream had put out and Dream Dice is the boxed set that we wish > Tangerine Dream hadn't put out. > > Anyone care to relay that to Edgar? =) > > -Morgan Tell him that on the TDI site. Electronic Orgy is the best thing to come out in relation to TD since Tangents. Actually, EO is the best thing to come out from them...period. The fact that it's a bootleg tells you something...fans know what fans want. Too bad Edgar isn't a fan of his own music. To quote a famous question to the band: INTERVIEWER: 'What do you guys do if you hear your music playing in a restaurant?' EDGAR: 'We pay the bill and then leave'. Dano Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14941 Re: Dream Dice vs. Electronic Orgy TangerineC@a... Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB 14944 Re: Dream Dice vs. Electronic Orgy feldon@p... Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 9:09 pm Subject: Re: Dream Dice vs. Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... Hey, how about an Electronic Orgy 2 and 3 and 4 and............ Now I would pay big money for these instead of the Dice set. If those in the know on this list have the power to do this, let's get crackin'. I'm thirsty for more! :) Tom In a message dated 98-06-23 16:57:14 EDT, you write: << Tell him that on the TDI site. Electronic Orgy is the best thing to come out in relation to TD since Tangents. Actually, EO is the best thing to come out from them...period. The fact that it's a bootleg tells you something...fans know what fans want. >> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14944 Re: Dream Dice vs. Electronic Orgy feldon@p... Tue 6/23/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 10:09 pm Subject: please remove me -- send no messages please ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Lars R. Jones' <105411.3107@c...> guys please don't send me any messages and please remove me from this list until I get my email problems fixed. I really have very very limited space at the moment and can't afford to loose any 'important' messsages. thanks! lars ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Michael A Jean, INTERNET:mjean@s... TO: KEEP Mailing List, INTERNET:AR402004@B... CC: Stephen Yensen, INTERNET:syensen@i... tadream list, INTERNET:tadream@c... Stephen Yensen, INTERNET:Stephen.Yensen@s... Lars Jones, [105411,3107] Set Sutekh, INTERNET:sutekh71@h... Lawry Simm, INTERNET:lawrysimm@u... Erik Sanborn, INTERNET:esanborn@B... Fred Reynolds, INTERNET:frederic@a... Scott Plumer, INTERNET:Scott.Plumer@t... Peter Penfold, INTERNET:penfold@A... Joel Mullen, INTERNET:joelm@T... Dave Lane, INTERNET:chickyraptor@h... KRAUSENECKS, INTERNET:BRUNO@C... 'Elias Granillo, Jr.', INTERNET:upnsm0ke@g... Conrad Gibbons, INTERNET:Conrad.Gibbons@R... Marcelo Gutierrez, INTERNET:Tdune@a... DATE: 6/23/98 2:09 PM RE: Re: Keep Keep whos got the Keep.... Sender: mjean@s... Received: from shrike.depaul.edu (shrike.depaul.edu [140.192.1.10]) by arl-img-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.12) with ESMTP id OAA22835 for <105411.3107@c...>; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mjean@l...) by shrike.depaul.edu (8.8.3/8.5) with SMTP id NAA09714; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:09:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:09:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael A Jean To: KEEP Mailing List cc: Marcelo Gutierrez , Conrad Gibbons , 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' , Lars Jones <105411.3107@c...>, KRAUSENECKS , Dave Lane , Joel Mullen , Peter Penfold , Scott Plumer , Fred Reynolds , Erik Sanborn , Lawry Simm , Set Sutekh , Stephen Yensen , tadream list , Stephen Yensen Subject: Re: Keep Keep whos got the Keep.... In-Reply-To: <199806212306.SAA08637@s...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII With all the talk about THE KEEP official release in doubt again, I am surprised no one has compiled a listing of who owns the 150 that were sold...(I'm not volunteeing)! MJ From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 10:20 pm Subject: Re: getting into Zeit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steve_Whiteley@N... (Steve Whiteley) Steven wrote: > Yep. It's a stinkeroo. I give it a four (on a one-to-ten scale, >with one being bad). Other TD ranking in at #4 or worse? See below: > > 4 ELECTRONIC MEDITATION > 4 ZEIT Andrew said: >I REALLY tried to get into 'Zeit.' Historically, it broke new ground, for >sure. But I cannot enjoy it. I have not been able to make it all the way >through even once. I tried. Honest I did. But can't. Sorry. I will try next >year again, because I have this awful feeling that I am too dense and I a >missing something essential. Maybe.:-( I heard Zeit my first TD summer, got the album at Venice Beach along with some of Edgars (Epsilon,Stuntman) and Rubycon. I was really looking for some driving sequences and all there was were these droning synths. I ended up filling my tapes with some of the bright parts at played at 78, still didn't like them much. <15 years later> Last summer I finally bought the SBM version of Zeit and played it *loud* a couple of times while I worked on our kitchen. The ambient textures and slow oscillations were much more interesting and I could actually see a place/mood where the music fit. I'm not sure I'll ever be in that mood again, but just in case I kept my copy this time ;-). Regards, Steve (who has been the 'token white boy' on many soccer teams) ps I think the ability to enjoy the pre Phaedra TD output has alot to do with, getting rid of your preconceptions and lowering your expectations. Same with the new stuff. np Ian Boddys The Climb (Deja Vu part 3 is a precursor to Octanes Steam) I like this! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14984 Re: getting into Zeit JMPoer Wed 6/24/1998 4 KB 14985 Re: getting into Zeit =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui? Wed 6/24/1998 3 KB 14993 Re: getting into Zeit RBrown4856@a... Thu 6/25/1998 2 KB 15015 Re: getting into Zeit Lawry Simm Thu 6/25/1998 3 KB 15024 Re: getting into Zeit - Thanks JMPoer Fri 6/26/1998 4 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 10:28 pm Subject: Re: Dream Dice vs. Electronic Orgy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 05:09 PM 6/23/98 EDT, you wrote: >Really-From: TangerineC@a... > >Hey, how about an Electronic Orgy 2 and 3 and 4 and............ Now I would >pay big money for these instead of the Dice set. If those in the know on this >list have the power to do this, let's get crackin'. I'm thirsty for more! :) >Tom Well, Three Tier Dream + Dream On is one box of 4 CDs that would make mouths water. As would Newcastle 1981, Logostypes, and 2 other CDs of choice (if you say 1987+ I'll puke)... -Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 11:47 pm Subject: Re: AMBIENT MONKEYS & Other TD Turkeys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' ----Original Message Follows---- Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I REALLY tried to get into 'Zeit.' Historically, it broke new ground, for sure. But I cannot enjoy it. I have not been able to make it all the way through even once. I tried. Honest I did. But can't. Sorry. I will try next year again, because I have this awful feeling that I am too dense and I am missing something essential. Maybe.:-( > 3 OPTICAL RACE > 3 LEGEND > 2 THREE O'CLOCK HIGH > 4 SHY PEOPLE > 4 DEADLY CARE > 4 CATCH ME IF YOU CAN > 3 JIM & PABLO: DER METEOR Got them to complete the collection, but I agree with you. They will never get any play on my audio system. Once was enough. Andrew It IS difficult to get all the way through Zeit in one sitting, even for me, and I like it immensely. But I only have the Ohr LP. With the LP, you have to get up three times to change disks (unless you transfer it to tape, but that would degrade the sound slightly). Zeit is not an album to get up during, or to walk around during. It is the ultimate contemplative music experience. It ain't to dance for! I have listened many times straight through. I do it at least once a year (at least 25 times?). Oddly, Optical Race is also high on my list. Perhaps it is due to the fact that it was the ONLY tour that I got to see. They don't get over here to New York much, and when they do, the advertising sucks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Tue Jun 23, 1998 11:54 pm Subject: Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-Dano's second! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' ----Original Message Follows---- Edgar, you're an idiot. The fans that keep you going are the hardcore fans that have followed your band's work for 20 years...not the zit faced nerds buying your shitty father/son releases Dano I think you missed something. As far as I can tell, Edgar is handing TD over as 'the family heirloom'. I anticipate an 'Edgarless' album within 3-5 years. Some of the mixes are a prelude. Edgar said his prelude to a farewell in the liner notes to Goblin's Club. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: Two RISKY B CD-R Boots: 1 has 2 CDs, 1 has 4 CDs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:50:25 -0400 >Subject: Re: Wanted: Risky Business Audio Press Kit >To: tadream mailing list >Really-From: Vic Rek > >Does anyone on this list have the Risky Business Audio Press Kit with >the 2 LPs? I am interested in purchasing this. If you have this and >don't want to sell it, could you contact me off list anyway? I'd like >to ask a few questions. Thanks in advance. It's *four* LPs, not two. >BTW, did anyone get the 2 CD bootleg of this audio press kit that was >just recently released? Nice item to have but quite expensive! There's a 4-CD bootleg of this audio press kit and a buttload of other RISKY B stuff floating around, too -- and *it* is *not* that expensive. I think it was Ken Beal who told me about it. -- Steven Feldman From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 1:29 am Subject: Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Encores' ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'jowers' I was at the 1988 show in New Orleans. 'House of the Rising Sun' kicked serious butt as one of the encores, especially while they were playing it in N.O. I think it should have gone on 'Dream Encores'. I have 1st generation tape and it's great!!!!! Kevin np- T.D. in N.O. in 88! > Does anyone (having that specific fan tape) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14966 Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Encores' ?? feldon@p... Wed 6/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 12:25 am Subject: Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' > > I think you missed something. Yeah, the dummy boat. I didn't waste my money on Ream Dice. As far as I can tell, Edgar is handing TD > over as 'the family heirloom'. I anticipate an 'Edgarless' album within > 3-5 years. Aww man...do we really have to wait that long?? Some of the mixes are a prelude. Edgar said his prelude to > a farewell in the liner notes to Goblin's Club. Actually..the album itself was more like a eulogy. Dano From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59 am Subject: The Lameness of LEGEND ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Steven Feldman >Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:54:45 -0500 >Subject: Re: AMBIENT MONKEYS & Other TD Turkeys >From: tadream mailing list >Really-From: feldon@p... > >>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >> >>At 07:44 PM 6/20/1998 EDT, Steven wrote: > >>> 3 LEGEND > >I listen to the Unicorn Theme and Overture on Electronic Orgy quite a bit. Unicorn Theme on EO is good. The LEGEND soundtrack, on its own merits, however--ugh (I like 'Cottage' and 'Darkness' somewhat, but I find the rest overproduced, pompous, and off-putting.). -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14990 Re: The Lameness of LEGEND mark chmielewski Thu 6/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 2:05 am Subject: Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-Dano's second! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > >>Yep. I cancelled Hollywood 1 & 2, and Transsiberia, as well. I'm also a >>proud non-owner of Ambient Monkeys :-) > >Wait a minute, Transsiberia has some interesting tracks on it. >In fact they copied 4A's HOAMR version, at least the train rhythm >idea. ;-) Actually, we let Ed and Jerry sample four bars from it in exchange for free copies of an original Keep LP ;-) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 3:41 am Subject: Dream Dice Diatribes Redux ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) Greetings all- The benifits of even just lurking on this list are now wearing thin, as wading through the daily waste of electrons here is proving tiresome. I'm going to try *really* hard not to get personal or too sarcastic in this post, but forgive me now if I come up short. Some of the comments quoted here may be too good to pass up... >Really-From: feldon@p... >No, just many of us have purchased the stupid CD-5 Maxi Singles which >contain ONE MORE TRACK... We're tired of boxed sets which contain 80% >already released stuff.[...] Have you seen the tracklist for the two >Atlantic discs? Is there ANYTHING unreleased on this Dream Dice boxed set? >I think not! Let's see now...the Bonus CD-5, Transsiberia, Hollywood Years 1 & 2 and 2/3 of Quinoa are *totally commercially unreleased*! Dream Encores contains live (so said) versions of released material; however, in this context it, too, counts as *unreleased* material! I think we're approaching the halfway mark here... And I guess you don't buy very many UK, or even more to the point, Japanese versions of other artists you collect? It is a *very* common *record company practice* to release different versions of an album to different markets! The artist often has very little to say or do with this practice. Yeah, it's a little frustrating at times. So what? I don't have to buy it if I don't want to. Anyone who feels *compelled* to do so should really get a life. BTW, how do you think I should feel about them issuing Voxel Ux? Considering that the track was part of the contest in which I was one of the twelve finalists and that we all would end up with it technically there was to be only *one* official copy of the song? You want the truth? Bummer. But as I postulated in my review of it for the fan magazine Voyager (subscribe now - cheers Jason!) I felt that it was left off of Quinoa in the first place. Nice to see I was 'right'!;) (In response to the parable [Matthew 20:1-16] I used as illustration...) >Your thought processes scare me. Well, I'm really sorry to hear that. Considering the point of the parable is generosity and the foolishness of thinking we're owed more than we deserve, I wonder what it is exaclty you object to? And to those anti-religious bigots out there: calm down. I will not bring this forum into that arena, which is why I paraphrased and left out the footnote. Not out of shame or fear, but consideration of the stated topic of this list as well as some of your viewpoints. I'll be happy to discuss these and other matters *privately*! Please do those of us here who are believers the courtesy of keeping your responses to the list respectful. >Uh huh. TD has been complaining about how terrible labels treat them. Why >didn't they go independant after Virgin, or after Relativity, or after Castle? >[...]We don't feel sorry for you, or for Edgar and Jerome. They should >pull >some tapes out of the legendary safe in their lawyer's office and >just put em >on CDs. How complicated is that? >> Really-From: Steven Feldman >> For years, Edgar promised a Rarities series of TD releases, but nothing >> surfaced. I say shit or get off the pot! >>> Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' >>> No kidding...where the hell are all of these classic >>> Franke/Schmoelling/Baumann/Haslinger unreleased goodies?! >>>>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' >>>>That's one thing I've just noticed about DD: after learning of the contents >>>>of Hollywood 1 & 2, notably the absence of any and all things Baumann, >>>>Schmoelling, Franke and (even!) Haslinger, it became very clear what the >>>>latest box/monument is: a byproduct of personal, nurtured conceit. It is >>>>Edgar and Jerome, Jerome and Edgar. Father & son, Kiddo & Pops. What's >>>>wrong with that? With the exception of Oasis and Dream Mixes 1, everything >>>>in the 1990s! The simple answer is: It takes a *lot* of resources (not just $$$) to start your own label and do it *right*. I really can't answer why it took so long for them to go independant; you'll have to ask them. But given that they don't sell albums in the numbers that Yanni does, it takes a little more time to gather up those pfennings. And as to the 'legendary safe' issue, remember, *TD doesn't own the tapes outright*! The controlling lables aren't all that interested in giving potential sources of income to what is now a competitor! If you want to spew your venom, try aiming it in the right directiuon for a change! Not that it'll do much good. Which brings us back around to the DD set and the upcoming reissues. Yep, they're expensive. You've already got 'em; fine, that's great. You don't like what TD puts out these days; ok, opinion noted. Now, lean in a little close here... *WHO CARES!* If you so-called hardcore fans would simply stop and think for just a moment, maybe you would realize that in order to get to those juicy rarities we all long to hear, it's going to take some serious coin! Considering that the band is currently as popular, if not more so than ever (some of the backbenching griping notwithstanding), it only makes sense to release as much of this product as possible! Remember, the largest selling *US* release (so far) is the Dream Mixes (which still hasn't gone gold!) They've sold in the neighborhood of 7 million albums, so if you divide that by (roughly) 70, you get an average of 100,000 per release. Furthermore, since we are the target market per se (sorry my European friends) and we've been buying more and more of each new release (Goblins' Club bad distribution notwithstanding), it only follows that this trend of releasing current style music will continue! You don't like it; fine, don't buy it! Considering that I know just as many people who think that the current incarnation of the band is the best as do those who think that the version with (fill in the name) was with them only lends credence to my observation that just because you can rant with the best of 'em here doesn't mean the you speak for the *majority* of fandom who aren't here. For that matter, neither do I. But I feel that I'm not far off the mark. Hopefully, the box will sell out and the seperate releases will sell strongly so that maybe Hollywood Years vol. 3 will contain some of the golden age gems we crave, or Dream Encores 2 has the E. Berlin '80 encore on it. And don't forget about the upcoming releases which *will* contain some of the loot! >>[...]a CD which was SUPPOSED TO BE A FAN EXCLUSIVE...QUINOA...HEY >>EDGAR..DO >>YOU KNOW WHAT EXCLUSIVE MEANS... Taken from the back of Quinoa: 'This *first* (emphasis mine) limited edition of 1,000 copies contains only previously unreleased material exclusively produced and manufactured for members of the international TDIFC.' Hey Dano, do you know what *first limited edition* means? It's still just as rare. Re-read the parable. And if all we *really* care about is the music, then WHY SHOULD IT MATTER THAT THEY'RE MAKING IT EASIER FOR THE OTHER 99,000 FANS TO GET IT? But wait, none of you like the 90's TD anyhow, so it shouldn't matter...but it does 'cause you want to be part of the exclusive collectors' club so you can officially bitch and moan about how much the band sucks these days...but it doesn't 'cause you won't be lowering yourself to get it...well, not legitimately.... Now, none of the above should be construed or taken to mean that I think I'm the be-all end-all on this topic, or that anyone shouldn't feel free to post whatever thay want. I'm not the listmod. I'm just hoping for a little reflection before we hose the room, that's all. We now return you to your regularly scheduled whine-fest, already in progress. goozer (who wholeheartedly subscibes to the following...) --------------------------------------------------- 'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring at the line between black & white for so long that their vision has blurred.' --------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14953 Re: Dream Dice Diatribes Redux Sean Montgomery Wed 6/24/1998 3 KB 14954 Re: Dream Dice Diatribes Redux RBrown4856@a... Wed 6/24/1998 2 KB 14955 Re: Dream Dice Diatribes Redux Jens Peschke Wed 6/24/1998 4 KB 14956 Re: Dream Dice Diatribes Redux Elias Granillo, Jr. Wed 6/24/1998 5 KB 14957 Re: Dream Dice Diatribes Redux Dan J. Schulte Wed 6/24/1998 6 KB 14959 Re: Dream Dice Diatribes Redux Jim & Sew Fong Jordan Wed 6/24/1998 2 KB 14963 Re: Dream Dice Diatribes Redux Erik Sanborn Wed 6/24/1998 6 KB 14989 Re: Dream Dice Diatribes Redux Jim & Sew Fong Jordan Thu 6/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 4:22 am Subject: Re: Dream Dice Diatribes Redux ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > If you so-called hardcore fans would simply stop and think for just a > moment, maybe you would realize that in order to get to those juicy > rarities we all long to hear, it's going to take some serious coin! A fact which is duly noted. In fact, I wish the TDI webpage was half as frank and articulate as your posting, Hermes. If it were, then I think the fan criticism would be somewhat muted. As is, I felt compelled to write to the TDI office, suggesting that they offer a bit more information about the new albums, particularly the Hollywood Years. Promising 'unreleased music and leftovers from various movies' and not telling us *which* movies is a little misleading. Surely they must know that many fans are mainly seeking unreleased music from the 80s. Yet, no composing credits or dates are provided on the site...and their 'client' retailers provide no information at all. I also suggested they make a few .wav or real audio files available, so customers can sample the merchandise before plopping down their cash. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 5:21 am Subject: Re: Dream Dice Diatribes Redux ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: RBrown4856@a... I'll make it short and sweet.I totally agree with Hermes!!! From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 5:29 am Subject: Re: Dream Dice Diatribes Redux ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >Let's see now...the Bonus CD-5, Transsiberia, Hollywood Years 1 & 2 and 2/3 >of Quinoa are *totally commercially unreleased*! Dream Encores contains >live (so said) versions of released material; Actually 'Dominion' and 'The midnight trail' are different to the original verions, can't say if these were recorded live (mixer desk) or not. Regarding the 90's stuff, I'm pretty sure noone can tell a mixer desk recording (did they actually play *live* in the 90s ? Expect for the Guitar bits ? NO) from a studio version. I reckon at least some tracks are exactly the versions precviously released. 'Story of the brave' for example, IMSC Gabe asked if the version offers a better sound. I don't think so, but haven't spend that much time yet (Just got an awesome promo of Under The Dome's 'The Demo-Haunted World' which I like way better than any DD disc, but that's only me, I might be wrong. NO!) >You don't like what TD puts out these days; ok, opinion noted. >Now, lean in a little close here... > >*WHO CARES!* Goozer, what actually are you trying to tell us ? This is a mailing list aimed at *discussing* TD, if you prefer unreflected aah's and ooh's, ok. Noted. What was your point then ? Based on the quote at the end of your posting I think there's no need to give further comments to your posting. You won't understand, would be a waste of time. >Furthermore, since we are the target market per se (sorry my European friends) Wait a minute. I'd tour my target market per se to increase my sales. No ? *Dream* on Jens np: Under The Dome: 'The Demo-Haunted world' - 'Fluessiger 4-Takter' kicks my ass From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 5:56 am Subject: Re: Dream Dice Diatribes Redux ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.' > Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > > BTW, how do you think I should feel about them issuing Voxel Ux? > Considering that the track was part of the contest in which I was one of > the twelve finalists and that we all would end up with it technically there > was to be only *one* official copy of the song? You want the truth? Bummer. You expected Edgar to hoard that tune when he knew he could sell it as part of Quinoa? (It's the 'other' tracks he's hoarding fans want...) >Which brings us >back around to the DD set and the upcoming reissues. Yep, they're >expensive. You've already got 'em; fine, that's great. You don't like what >TD puts out these days; ok, opinion noted. Now, lean in a little close >here... > >*WHO CARES!* Who cares? Good question. Not many. I'm not worried about Dream Dice. Not at all. Because I'm not buying it. If you are, good for you. You read what Jens had to say about some of the discs. ----snip---- > Hopefully, the box will sell out and the seperate releases will sell > strongly so that maybe Hollywood Years vol. 3 will contain some of the > golden age gems we crave, or Dream Encores 2 has the E. Berlin '80 encore > on it. And don't forget about the upcoming releases which *will* contain > some of the loot! So you don't feel the material on the hypothetical Hollywood III, were it to be released as Hollywood I, would sell many more copies than what's being released, a.k.a. allegedly 90s outtakes & asides that they opted to release in lieu of the good stuff? ----snip---- > Now, none of the above should be construed or taken to mean that I think > I'm the be-all end-all on this topic, or that anyone shouldn't feel free to > post whatever thay want. I'm not the listmod. I'm just hoping for a little > reflection before we hose the room, that's all. Here're some things for you to reflect upon: 'Edgar proved to be an excellent host, and I greatly enjoyed listening to many unreleased recordings, including a completely reworked version of the 1976 classic, 'Stratosfear,' instigated by Jerome and set to appear on their forthcoming album.' {From the word processor of Jonathan Miller, Keyboard Magazine, January 1996} EDGAR FROESE {From Mark Prendergast's liner notes in Beyond The Storm, regarding Ed's sizeable repertoire of unreleased tracks}: '...It's impossible for me to give the precise date for each piece of music...my library...encompasses more than 60 hours of music...There are about 52 hours left to be used ---- sometime!' We can only speculate what Jonathan Miller listened to (yeah, material that made it onto Tyranny, Hobbit's Pub, Oasis, etc., but what else?), and how much music represents each era of TD in Edgar's 'library,' since I'm sure it's not *all* solo material tucked away in there... > We now return you to your regularly scheduled whine-fest, already in progress. Only whiners whine about others who allegedly whine ;-) E-Man From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 6:43 am Subject: Re: Dream Dice Diatribes Redux ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > The benifits of even just lurking on this list are now wearing thin, as > wading through the daily waste of electrons here is proving tiresome. Then go get some sleep... > The simple answer is: It takes a *lot* of resources (not just $$$) to start > your own label and do it *right*. I really can't answer why it took so long > for them to go independant; you'll have to ask them. But given that they > don't sell albums in the numbers that Yanni does, it takes a little more > time to gather up those pfennings. Bah, I know several companies & people that have started up their own labels with so much less...AND are doing quite well AND they don't have half the earnings Eddie does. Your statement above isn't valid. And as to the 'legendary safe' issue, > remember, *TD doesn't own the tapes outright*! The controlling lables > aren't all that interested in giving potential sources of income to what is > now a competitor! Ahh...pride. Edgar needs to just suck in that pride & buy back some rights....or is it that he's too damn cheap?? If you want to spew your venom, try aiming it in the > right directiuon for a change! Not that it'll do much good. Which brings us > back around to the DD set and the upcoming reissues. Yep, they're > expensive. You've already got 'em; fine, that's great. You don't like what > TD puts out these days; ok, opinion noted. Now, lean in a little close > here... > > *WHO CARES!* Obviously YOU do. You responded to all of this 'whining', & hey, genius....or perhaps I should call you Merlin...THAT'S WHAT NEWSLISTS ARE FOR...OPINIONS, STATEMENTS, INFORMATION SHARING! I told this to a friend of yours...for a fee..I can have your lips permanently removed from Edgar's butt! ;-) > If you so-called hardcore fans would simply stop and think for just a > moment, maybe you would realize that in order to get to those juicy > rarities we all long to hear, it's going to take some serious coin! My ass....you mean some serious bootlegging....so get to it! > Considering that the band is currently as popular, if not more so than ever This must be why I only see TWO RELEASES IN EVERY STORE I GO INTO!! (Goblin's Turd & Dream Mixes). Once again..yer talking out of yer butt here. Considering that I know just as many people > who think that the current incarnation of the band is the best Figures you would associate with these people. Hehe. > > >>[...]a CD which was SUPPOSED TO BE A FAN EXCLUSIVE...QUINOA...HEY > >>EDGAR..DO >>YOU KNOW WHAT EXCLUSIVE MEANS... > > Taken from the back of Quinoa: > 'This *first* (emphasis mine) limited edition of 1,000 copies contains only > previously unreleased material exclusively produced Stop right here Merlin...there's that word...but you just don't get it. Exclusively produced...duh. Next! and manufactured for > members of the international TDIFC.' > > Hey Dano, do you know what *first limited edition* means? It's still just > as rare. Re-read the parable. And if all we *really* care about is the > music, then WHY SHOULD IT MATTER THAT THEY'RE MAKING IT EASIER FOR THE > OTHER 99,000 FANS TO GET IT? But wait, none of you like the 90's TD anyhow, > so it shouldn't matter...but it does 'cause you want to be part of the > exclusive collectors' club so you can officially bitch and moan about how > much the band sucks these days...but it doesn't 'cause you won't be > lowering yourself to get it...well, not legitimately.... Yeah...you & Matt know all about legitimate...don't you. > > Now, none of the above should be construed or taken to mean that I think > I'm the be-all end-all on this topic, or that anyone shouldn't feel free to > post whatever thay want. I'm not the listmod. I'm just hoping for a little > reflection before we hose the room, that's all. > > We now return you to your regularly scheduled whine-fest, already in progress. > goozer Thanks for playing final Jeopardy, Merlin. Your home game version can be picked up after the show. Dano ;-) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 8:38 am Subject: Zeit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' I REALLY tried to get into 'Zeit.' Historically, it broke new ground, for sure. But I cannot enjoy it. I have not been able to make it all the way through even once. I tried. Honest I did. But can't. Sorry. I will try next year again, because I have this awful feeling that I am too dense and I am missing something essential. Maybe.:-( Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' It IS difficult to get all the way through Zeit in one sitting, even for me, and I like it immensely. But I only have the Ohr LP. With the LP, you have to get up three times to change disks (unless you transfer it to tape, but that would degrade the sound slightly). Zeit is not an album to get up during, or to walk around during. It is the ultimate contemplative music experience. It ain't to dance for! - I absolutely agree. The way to listen to Zeit (and Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, and Atem, for that matter) is to switch off the lights, make yourself comfortable, and just listen. It is definitely no dance music, nor is it car music (unless some of you on the American continent have the opportunity to drive through empty barren landscapes at night, with absolutely no other cars around, in which case it might be quite good). Another good application for Zeit proved to be as a prelude for role-playing games. When my friends arrived at my house for an RPG evening with a fantasy/horror topic, I had the lights turned off, some candles lit, and the Zeit LP playing in the background, just to see the effect. To my surprise, all my friends (who hate TD music) agreed that the music was brilliant as a mood enhancer for the game, especially the spooky droning bass on 'Nebulous Dawn'. I'd put it this way: The pre-Phaedra recordings tend to rely on your imagination a lot more than they rely on your ears. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14988 Re: Zeit Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 6/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 8:41 am Subject: Re: Dream Dice Diatribes Redux ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' ----Original Message Follows---- (did they actually play *live* in the 90s ? Expect for the Guitar bits ? NO) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 8:45 am Subject: Green Desert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= Playing ' EXIT ' when quitting work. Great. Fred Excellent idea. I've had some good experiences with... - playing Rarebird just after getting up - playing Sun Gate on an exceptionally hot day - playing Summer Storm during, you guessed it, a thunderstorm. (although I must admit that there's nothing like Jarre's Equinoxe as far as thunderstorm music goes) Dennis From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 8:57 am Subject: Poland track ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Dennis Nigbur ok this is on topic, can anyone tell me what the track is called on poland that is on the lp version but not on the cd version.it is a 4 min track on the end of tangent. has this appeared anywhere else, on a boot perhaps, called anything else? regards nick I think you might be talking about Rarebird, which was played as an encore and appeared on the American release of the double CD. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 12:28 pm Subject: Glad to be able to rant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Frank Stephen Qualifying statement: I'm not trying to sound like a kiss-ass. Let's face it. Even though some (most) of DD is recycled and some (many) people on list don't seem to like (appreciate) the direction the band is going, aren't we slightly glad we still have something to bitch about. After 30 years TD still puts out...what....60-120 (or more) minutes of music a year (not counting DD). How would you like to discuss Peter Gabriel's new release (from 1992?) or how about the 6 year gap between Genesis albums (or the lack of albums from other bands like ELP, Moody Blues, Pink Floyd). Boy, that Marillion Freaks list is really stretching for material to talk about! Everybody has a right to bitch and everybody has a right to like the stuff and buy it. Let us be glad that we have something to bitch about. If the stuff sucks and nobody likes it, then people will be more apprehensive about buying the next release. This is called voting with your wallet and they (the Froeses) would then get the message. Yes, I agree, if I don't like something I don't buy it (check most 70s redo fashion right now, still waiting for the rerelease of the leisure suit) and that is how I will approach the new stuff. However, I'm still glad I have the chance to get new music rather than waiting 6 years for 1 50 minute disc (e.g., Peter Gabriel). More Later, Frank fstephe@a... Crap under glass at the Smithsonian...is still crap. He who has the most to lose...has the most to start. From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 1:06 pm Subject: Re: Dream Dice Diatribes Redux ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: esanborn@B... (Erik Sanborn) >Really-From: goozer@a... (Hermes Guzman) > >Greetings all- > >The benifits of even just lurking on this list are now wearing thin, as >wading through the daily waste of electrons here is proving tiresome. (snip) You get what you paid for. ;-) (snip) >(In response to the parable [Matthew 20:1-16] I used as illustration...>) >>Your thought processes scare me. > >Well, I'm really sorry to hear that. Considering the point of the parable >is generosity and the foolishness of thinking we're owed more than we >deserve, I wonder what it is exactly you object to? (snip) I can't speak for Morgan but I can speak for myself. I found your application of that parable to the current marketing practices of TDI Music to be horribly misplaced. We're not talking about salvation here, we're talking about music. Specifically, we're talking about how TD markets their music now that they 'have control over it' via their own label. I believe that I'm owed nothing, neither salvation nor unreleased TD music, but that I have the right to express my displeasure with how TD markets, packages and sells their music. (more snipping) >I'm not the listmod. I'm just hoping for a little reflection before we hose >the room, that's all. No argument with you there. However, I too went to the Dream Dice web page that everyone else went to and at that time there was no mention of the CDs from that box set being made available as separate items. On the contrary, there was mention of those CDs *not* being made available as separate items. It seems that half the volume of griping about DD on this list is due to that fact. It was only later that we found out that TD does intend to sell those CDs separately. The reason for this? If you accessed the DD web page directly, you missed the other web page which stated that the DD CDs would be sold separately through outlets other than TDI. Too bad that TDI didn't anticipate that people might access the DD web page in a manner other than the one path they expected. I think this separation of basic information about the DD box set across different web pages was unintentional and merely reflects the current level of experience that TDI has in marketing their products, especially on the web. I'm not going to hold such a simple oversight against them but I will continue to complain about the common practice in the music business of remixing/ repackaging previously released material and then selling it as if it were 'new' material. And when I say 'previously released' I mean music released in any form and regardless of how limited the release was. >We now return you to your regularly scheduled whine-fest, already in >progress. Thanks for participating in the whine-fest. ;-) >goozer (who wholeheartedly subscibes to the following...) > >- --------------------------------------------------- >'Those who believe the world is made up of shades of grey have been staring >at the line between black & white for >so long that their vision has blurred.' >- --------------------------------------------------- I'm a believer and yet your thought processes still scare me. It must be comforting to be so certain about so much that we know so little about. Regards, Erik From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 2:29 pm Subject: Goozer's Response ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: AslanFan1@a... I would like to respond to Goozer's recent comments with a rousing, 'Amen!' ;-) Aslanfan1@a... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 2:56 pm Subject: New Synergy Re-releases ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gary Davis Hello, folks! The latest Artist Shop newsletter is out. The big news in electronic music is that two more Synergy re-releases are on the horizon. His albums Audion and Games are to be re-released on July 7. You'll find them on our Third Contact page at . If you want to check out the newsletter in its entirety, you'll find it at . Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop@a... phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 3:42 pm Subject: Re: Unreleased track on 'Dream Encores' ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: feldon@p... At 08:29 PM 6/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >Really-From: 'jowers' > >I was at the 1988 show in New Orleans. 'House of the Rising Sun' kicked >serious butt as one of the encores, especially while they were playing it >in N.O. I think it should have gone on 'Dream Encores'. House of the Rising Sun appeared on Tangerine Dream's absolute BEST boxed set in history... it's called Electronic Orgy =) -Morgan From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 11:25 pm Subject: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) After all my bitching about the prices of the new CDs...I finally found a GREAT source for people in Germany and probably also the rest of Europe: Lambert Ringlage, wo operates a mail order business for electronic music has just sent me his latest catalogue: The new TD items are available as individual items for only DM 34 a piece...and shipping within Germany is included in that price. There are surcharges for shipping outside Germany, but they are also very reasonable. He also has a number of other good albums in the same price range. So...if you haven't ordered your TD CDs yet...this is your chance to get them without bleeding through the nose. And while you're at it, get one of his 'Lambert' CDs as well, he makes some fantastic analog synth and sequencer music that will appeal to TD fans. End of commercial break... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14969 Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found! Gabe Yedid Wed 6/24/1998 2 KB 14972 Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found! Sean Montgomery Wed 6/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 11:28 pm Subject: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found!!! Part 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) Arghhh...did I forget to mention how to contact Lambert for the new TD releases? Lambert Ringlage Messings Garten 7 D-45147 Essen Germany phone/fax: (0)201-733018 email: lambert.ringlage@u... Hilmar From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 4:42 pm Subject: Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid how much is 34 DM in USD? Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14972 Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found! Sean Montgomery Wed 6/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 6:43 pm Subject: RE: KLEM cd's ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jose Fernandez Garcia' > >All this talk of KLEM cd's.........I have the 1989 and 1994 cd's.......TD >only appears on the 1989 but Franke appears on both. >Any offers?? Also, a copy of 'Voices in the Dune' has been offered to >e - offers on this also if you're interested.(Offline please) > Hi, Ash I'm writing you from spain. Can you scan for me the covers of the 3 Klem CD's? and send them to me attached to an email? If you can very very very thanks Pepe jferna12@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14973 KLEM cd's ashok prema Wed 6/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 5:12 pm Subject: CD's sold but.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: NVL77@a... Greetings, The TimesSquare, DM 1 and Tournado CD's are sold, thanks alot for all the responses. For you Schultze fans I do have a few TDSOTM I sealed available (original release FAX label PK 08/96) that I would like to trade for any other FAX releases or if no trades are avail I'll sell for offers over $10.00 US. On another note, looking forward to the 76 and 82 concert venue releases from TDI, I'm sure they are going to be well received even for 20US until then I have a couple of Spherical Harmonic I CD's available for trade for anything interesting such as CDR's or excellent recording quality tapes. Enjoy Tangerine Dream for the good and bad, it is my opinion they are moving in a positive direction!! Neil From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 5:13 pm Subject: Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > how much is 34 DM in USD? About 19 bucks U.S. (28 Canadian)...only a dollar cheaper than RPM, really. But that includes shipping costs, so I guess you're saving a bit. Still, considering that most new CDs are $16 Canadian here in Toronto...it's a price that makes the heart race a bit faster. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 5:17 pm Subject: KLEM cd's ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'ashok prema' All this talk of KLEM cd's.........I have the 1989 and 1994 cd's.......TD only appears on the 1989 but Franke appears on both. Any offers?? Also, a copy of 'Voices in the Dune' has been offered to e - offers on this also if you're interested.(Offline please) Ash From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: D: Live (Tape Tree #1 cont.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: kearley@r... Date: 06/24/1998 01:32 pm (Wednesday) From: Kevin Earley To: 'tadream@c... at internet'@Toronto.ccMail Subject: D: Live (Tape Tree #1 cont.) Oops, I forgot about Part Three of the Royal Albert Hall performance. This is not a good part to forget as it contains the highlights of the entire performance. Part three quickly moves into a sequence, and what a sequence. The band not only finds third, fourth and overdrive but achieves escape velocity! This is what I have been waiting for! It is a fairly simple sequence, but the rest of the band are running with it and it smokes! The first encore starts off with a fairly simple drum beat based sequence. This is good, but not up to the standards of previous one. But this sequence morphs into another sequence, and once again the band hits escape velocity. Again, this is a simple sequence, but listen to what they build upon it; this is truly classic TD. If you are like me, I expect that RAH #3 will be the most listened to side of the entire first tape tree. The second encore is a return to a more ambient, synth cloud feel and is a nice chill out to finish the concert. Kevin Earley kearley@r... np: nothing - TD is a hard act to follow :) From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 6:24 pm Subject: Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found!!! DO NOT READ LITERALLY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >> how much is 34 DM in USD? > >About 19 bucks U.S. (28 Canadian)...only a dollar cheaper than RPM, >really. But that includes shipping costs, Err, wait a minute. It includes the shipping costs inside Germany (as Hilmar said). I'm not aware any part of North America beeing a part of Germany. ;-) > so I guess you're saving a bit. Err, if you'd know how expensive it is to send anything from Germany outside Europe, you won't assume to save any buck. It's bloody expensive. >Still, considering that most new CDs are $16 Canadian here in >Toronto...it's a price that makes the heart race a bit faster. You damn North Americans, DAY's and Cansucks, be lucky about paying only $16 Canadians (or 11 bucks) for a new Electronic Music CD. I'd be happy to get any new EM CD for less than 37 DM, that's the price you've to pay for it if you *ever* find it in a local store. Not counting mass releases like Vangelis albums which are DM 25. Say, Sean, which EM (Electronic Music) album you got recently for 28 Canadians in Toronto ? Wait a minute, which *excellent* EM album ? Sorry, but I'm just pissed off by all these NA's who wanna get any CD for less than 10 bucks and pay the lot with their visacard... Jens (;-), ;-), ;-) <- for those who read all word by word, put these into the text where appreciated) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14977 Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found! Sean Montgomery Wed 6/24/1998 4 KB 14980 Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found! Jens Peschke Wed 6/24/1998 4 KB 14981 Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found! Vic Rek Wed 6/24/1998 3 KB 14999 Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found! Gabe Yedid Thu 6/25/1998 5 KB 15003 Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found! RBrown4856@a... Thu 6/25/1998 2 KB 15004 Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found! RBrown4856@a... Thu 6/25/1998 2 KB 15023 Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found! JMPoer Fri 6/26/1998 4 KB 15021 Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found! Jim & Sew Fong Jordan Fri 6/26/1998 4 KB 15027 Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found! RBrown4856@a... Fri 6/26/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 6:58 pm Subject: Ambient Monkey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: PW098@a... Ok Sean, I just replayed Green Desert's Astral Voyager and Indian Summer and I still like it. I'll warn up the old Visa and post after playing it. Andrew has warned me so I willl not set my sights too high. Thanks everyone for your thoughts. -Bob Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14979 Re: Ambient Monkey Sean Montgomery Wed 6/24/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 7:22 pm Subject: Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found!!! DO NOT READ LITERALLY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Err, wait a minute. It includes the shipping costs inside Germany > (as Hilmar said). I'm not aware any part of North America > beeing a part of Germany. ;-) Well, there's a city about an hour outside of Toronto named Kitchener that holds the largest Oktoberfest outside of Bavaria... :-) > You damn North Americans, DAY's and Cansucks, Well...I only suck sometimes. And only if you ask nicely. > be lucky about paying only $16 Canadians (or 11 bucks) > for a new Electronic Music CD. Okay, I'm not going to find, say, a new Radio Massacre International disk in the racks for $16. A new Tangerine Dream release perhaps, but that's only if it's one that's been pressed domestically. That's what keeps our costs down here. That, and the fact that we have a very competitive market for CDs here. There are four huge stores within three blocks of each other in downtown Toronto. > Say, Sean, which EM (Electronic Music) album you got > recently for 28 Canadians in Toronto ? I paid about 30 for Andy Pickford's 'Works II'. P.S. I know you weren't being serious, Jens! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 7:19 pm Subject: FSO Lifeforms with TD ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Wouter Bessels Hi tadreamers, A couple of weeks ago, there was someone on the list mentioning the cues on FSO's CD Lifeforms, where TD can be 'heard', featuring samples from TD songs. I just bought the Lifeform 2CD set at a bargain for less than $15. If someone has got the cues, please mail me off-list. Also, the 'Schulze' mentioned on the sleeve, is that the Schulze we all love and hate ?? Thanks in advance for your messages !! Cheers, Wouter np. FSO - Lifeforms From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 7:30 pm Subject: Re: Ambient Monkey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Sean Montgomery > Ok Sean, I just replayed Green Desert's Astral Voyager and Indian Summer and > I still like it. I'll warn up the old Visa and post after playing it. To get an idea of what you're in for, were you making monkey noises and the sound of whoosing wind as you were listening to 'Astral Voyager'? :-) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 8:18 pm Subject: Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found!!! DO NOT READ LITERALLY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > >> Err, wait a minute. It includes the shipping costs inside Germany >> (as Hilmar said). I'm not aware any part of North America >> beeing a part of Germany. ;-) > >Well, there's a city about an hour outside of Toronto named Kitchener >that holds the largest Oktoberfest outside of Bavaria... :-) He, he, he. Concerning Bavaria: For us northern Germans, Bavaria is more a part of Italy than Germany. It's pretty much the same as the Scotts vs. the English thwapping. We hate and love 'em (actually they can't even speak a proper German)... >> You damn North Americans, DAY's and Cansucks, > >Well...I only suck sometimes. And only if you ask nicely. LOL. Great humour, that chap ! :-) >Okay, I'm not going to find, say, a new Radio Massacre International disk >in the racks for $16. A new Tangerine Dream release perhaps, but that's >only if it's one that's been pressed domestically. That's what keeps our >costs down here. That, and the fact that we have a very competitive >market for CDs here. There are four huge stores within three blocks of >each other in downtown Toronto. Most interesting. Are their really RMI disks available in the racks ? You lucky dog ! >I paid about 30 for Andy Pickford's 'Works II'. Again, you lucky dog. >P.S. I know you weren't being serious, Jens! Yep, but others might got me wrong. It's just a question of experience, it took me a while to understand the humour of Dano & Eli, f.e. Now I'd certainly miss something. :-D Remember: laughing is the best medicine (well... maybe not exactly the best... 8-)) Take care you all Jens From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 8:20 pm Subject: Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found!!! DO NOT READ LITERALLY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Vic Rek > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > Sorry, but I'm just pissed off by all these NA's who wanna > get any CD for less than 10 bucks and pay the lot with their visacard... Wait, didn't you sell me some of your CDs for under 10 bucks? :-) It was a bummer that you didn't accept American Express ;-) But you didn't include VAT which was good. What's that URL to your EM trade list again? > (;-), ;-), ;-) <- for those who read all word by word, put these into the text where appreciated) Everywhere! Vic From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 8:46 pm Subject: Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-Dano's second! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: TangerineC@a... Unfortunatly, i think the same thing will happen but hopefully not that soon. Maybe that's why he's putting the old stuff out now, because when Jerome gets TD, he's not going to do it. Without any original members, TD is nothing. Besides Edgar may not retire at all. A true artist must have the need to express himself. It's like a drug. I hope he stays for the duration of his life. Tom In a message dated 98-06-23 19:57:04 EDT, you write: << As far as I can tell, Edgar is handing TD over as 'the family heirloom'. I anticipate an 'Edgarless' album within 3-5 years. Some of the mixes are a prelude. Edgar said his prelude to a farewell in the liner notes to Goblin's Club. >> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15000 Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-D Gabe Yedid Thu 6/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 10:08 pm Subject: Review  Tangerine Dream: Transsiberia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' Review Tangerine Dream: Transsiberia Overview: ======== Fortunately TD's following the direction they started with Oasis and da Dream Mixes, some tracks are quite excellent and slightly different (stylewise) to everything TD released to date. Worth having for those who like the mentioned two releases. Note: You just can't compare 'em, though. Track by track review: ===================== 01. Yaroslaw Station [4:53] Upbeat rhythm start, some South American percussion elements appearing for the first bars. A nice steam engine/train sounding backing, driving sequences are added quickly, you just can't resist to pump up da volume ! The simple melodies are imitating train signal sounds quite well, never heard such stuff (from TD) before. An excellent track, IMO. On a side note: All the booklets and printed lables of the CD's are really beautiful, looking great - for those caring about such things. 02. Smoky Karlow [9:26] A slower one, very slow rhythm, the used chords/fx/textures sounds are reminiscent TD's Exit, the drums certainly not. Nice melody, a track that grows on me, although I'd prefer a bit more speed. After a break another daring melody appears, well done so far. After the 3 minutes mark a nice chord bit is added on top, flows quite well, the track. ERnough variations for my taste until is chills/fades out for the last minute with a lot of textures. 03. Siberian Nights [4:01] Again an upbeat track with driving sequences and a nice white percussion line in the mix. This one would fit well to the Exit tracks on tape... Neat ! 04. Jenissei River [4:44] Slow track, not too sweetish, fortunately running less than 5 minutes. 05. Baikal Sunrise [4:43] The train continues its travel, the last slower track makes sense now and leads quite well into yet another driving sequences/rhthm track. Almost trancey and quite nice with some colours on top, less techno-ish than the DM stuff (which isn't really techno-ish anyway). Nice one. 06. Samowar Juri [4:40] Mid tempo track with a real melody and a nice structure. Well fitting bridges, tempi changes, well composed. Very relaxing atmosphere, certainly better than expected. Fading out with a nice Oboe sample theme. 07. Ulan - Ude [4:35] Similar to track 04, less sweetish, again no drums, no sequences... 08. Chingan Night [6:56] What ? No Diamond Diary remix ? ;-) Instead of another upbeat track with stonking sequences this is again a slow one... I'm tempted to return back to the first 6 tracks. Beatless, even a little bit new age-ish (some tickling/sounds...) 09. Russian Soul [4:14] Weird Female choir sample chords, sounds interesting but it's not the best track of this album, IMO. 10. The Golden Horn [5:18] Track with a nice *very slow* drum part, sounds like one of the Stuntman tracks, flows quite well... To sum it up: ============ Better than expected, certainly worth having for most of us. Replace two of the slower bits with even more sequences\melody stuff and you have an excellent album (all IMO of course). Good but not excellent. --------------- It would be nice if others who already got the new releases would like to share their impressions as well. As a matter of fact, that's exactly the stuff most listees wanna read (I'd assume). Kind Regards Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15001 Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Review=A0_Tangerine_Dream:_Tra Gabe Yedid Thu 6/25/1998 2 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 9:32 pm Subject: Re: getting into Zeit At 03:20 PM 6/23/98 -0700, you wrote: >Really-From: Steve_Whiteley@NetcomSystems.com (Steve Whiteley) > >Last summer I finally bought the SBM version of Zeit and played it *loud* a....... > This is the first time I've seen mention of a SBM version of Zeit. Does it actually exist? Thanks John jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 10:26 pm Subject: RE: getting into Zeit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= Normal release of Zeit played loud is good too - whith the vinyle, it's different : there are the clicks that spoil the music (sounds ?) Next, try Alpha centauri and then Electtronic Meditation - good luck even in sbm ! Fred This is the first time I've seen mention of a SBM version of Zeit. Does it actually exist? Thanks John jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 10:56 pm Subject: Selling: Various CDs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Okay, I'm thinning the masses...get em before Marcel or my used CD shop does... All prices are postpaid if you order more than $10 worth..unless you are out of the USA. US add $1 for postage. Overseas add $7 for postage. TD-Goblin's Club-$7 TD-Turn Of The Tides Single (w/Story of the Brave)-$6 Kraftwelt-Electric Dimension (Kraftwerk inspired band)-$7 TD-Book Of Dreams (2-cd set)-$10 JMJarre-Hong Kong Live (Japanese 2-cd set version)-$15 TD-Tournado-$7 John Wetton-Arkangel-$9 TD-Man Inside (CDR)-$20 JMJarre-JarreMix-$6 Goblin-Zombi (Japanese 'Down Of The Dead' misspell)-$20 TD-Rockoon Single-$6 TD-Dreamtime Single-$6 Transformers The Movie (70 minute Dicola Score CDR)-$20 Wavestar-Zenith-$12 Yanni promo radio edit CD-free....unless Marcel beats you to it! Assault On Precinct 13 (Carpenter score CDR-digital recording)-$25 There ya go...email me if you care about any of these. DDD...Dano! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 14996 Re: Selling: Various CDs jowers Thu 6/25/1998 3 KB 15002 Re: Selling: Various CDs Marcel Engels Thu 6/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Wed Jun 24, 1998 10:23 pm Subject: No further comment upon TDI politics ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?= June 9th Just a note for all people, who are waiting for Johannes Schmoelling's 'The Zoo Of Tranquillity'. The release of this album through TDI Music has been postponed on indefinite time. ++++ The TDI office received some great news today......stay tuned for more info....... soon on this page!!! Just seen that b***shit in http://www.snafu.de/~tadream/mainmenu.html (latest news). They think they are funny ? ? I may not have DD but I know I've got Zoo... Fred PS : I apologize if this scoop had already been unveiled. NP : nope - don't wanna wakeu^p everybody. BTW, Greetings to all, TaDreamers From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 25, 1998 1:11 am Subject: Re: Zeit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' At 09:38 AM 6/24/1998 +0100, Dennis wrote: >- I absolutely agree. The way to listen to Zeit (and >Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, and Atem, for that >matter) is to switch off the lights, make yourself >comfortable, and just listen. It is definitely no dance >music, nor is it car music (unless some of you on the >American continent have the opportunity to drive through >empty barren landscapes at night, with absolutely no other >cars around, in which case it might be quite good). [.....] What a thoughtful reply from both you and Jim & Co. Indeed, sometimes setting the mood makes a lot of difference in the way music is perceived. I will definitely approach listening to the very early TD with a brand new 'ear.' Thank you for your cogent comments. I feel enlightened. The 'list' at its best. Andrew From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 25, 1998 1:46 am Subject: Re: Dream Dice Diatribes Redux ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' ----Original Message Follows---- Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan' ----Original Message Follows---- (did they actually play *live* in the 90s ? Expect for the Guitar bits ? NO) Until I saw this message, I thought people were kidding about truncated messages. I originally responded, 'How about the sax? I liked that bit!' ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 25, 1998 2:30 am Subject: Re: The Lameness of LEGEND ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: mchmiele@i... (mark chmielewski) Steven, Listen to the soundtrack in relationship to the movie....not all of their soundtrack music fits the movies that it is used in... >Really-From: Steven Feldman > > >>Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:54:45 -0500 >>Subject: Re: AMBIENT MONKEYS & Other TD Turkeys >>From: tadream mailing list >>Really-From: feldon@p... >> >>>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' >>> >>>At 07:44 PM 6/20/1998 EDT, Steven wrote: >> >>>> 3 LEGEND >> >>I listen to the Unicorn Theme and Overture on Electronic Orgy quite a bit. > > Unicorn Theme on EO is good. The LEGEND soundtrack, on its own >merits, however--ugh (I like 'Cottage' and 'Darkness' somewhat, but I find >the rest overproduced, pompous, and off-putting.). > > -- Steven Feldman > > > > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 25, 1998 2:50 am Subject: Close Encounters (RE: Green Desert) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Jim Moore' Listening to 'Melrose' while driving down Melrose Ave... Listening to Franke's PCH, while driving down PCH... And on and on... _____________________________________________________ 'I drive too fast to worry about cholesterol...' -- Steven Wright jimbo@v... = Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net >-----Original Message----- >From: tadream@c... [mailto:tadream@c...] >Sent: Monday, June 22, 1998 4:40 AM >To: tadream@c... >Subject: Re: Green Desert > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- >----------- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to >majordomo@c... that >says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the >message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. >The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. >------------------------------------------------------------------- >----------- >Really-From: Jens Kilian > > >> Any other close encounters? > >Playing 'Rolling down Cahuenga' while driving down Cahuenga Blvd in LA ;-) >Been there, done that. > > Jens. >-- >mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP >TELNET 778-7698) > http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-14-7351 >PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the >sea to a fish, >0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the >contemptible. [Blake] > From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 25, 1998 3:49 am Subject: Fwd: 2000 From: RBrown4856@a... Date: Thu Jun 25, 1998 3:25 am Subject: 2000 To: tadream@c... Has anyone heard that Edgar was thinking of turning over TD to Jerome in the year 2000.He says that by that time he feels he's done all he wanted to do with the group.I feel he's already turned over a lot of the composing to him.That's why we have the techno sound in TD now.'Just a thought'.Rick From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 25, 1998 4:04 am Subject: Re: getting into Zeit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: RBrown4856@a... All I've seen is the digital remaster from the original master tapes.Rick From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 25, 1998 3:25 am Subject: Re: Close Encounters (RE: Green Desert) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte' tadream mailing list wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that > says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the > message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. > The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: 'Jim Moore' > > Listening to 'Melrose' while driving down Melrose Ave... > > Listening to Franke's PCH, while driving down PCH... Listening to Dream Dice while rolling snake eyes... From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 25, 1998 4:28 am Subject: Re: tadream-digest V16 #321 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Boneheads1@a... Steve wrote: with, That's an interesting (and very subjective) angle: lowering expectations. I have heard seven or eight other examples of this style of music, and I think that these albums have an exceptionally strong image-invoking quality. Not only do they invoke exceptionally beautiful or sometimes stark images, but the different images and the transitions between are all very well integrated into a creative whole. In other words: I think they are well tuned. Tim From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 25, 1998 6:36 am Subject: Re: Selling: Various CDs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: 'jowers' Dan, What exactly is on Book of Dreams? I am interested in this and a few others if not sold. Thanks, Kevin > TD-Goblin's Club-$7 > TD-Turn Of The Tides Single (w/Story of the Brave)-$6 > Kraftwelt-Electric Dimension (Kraftwerk inspired band)-$7 > TD-Book Of Dreams (2-cd set)-$10 > JMJarre-Hong Kong Live (Japanese 2-cd set version)-$15 > TD-Tournado-$7 > John Wetton-Arkangel-$9 > TD-Man Inside (CDR)-$20 > JMJarre-JarreMix-$6 > Goblin-Zombi (Japanese 'Down Of The Dead' misspell)-$20 > TD-Rockoon Single-$6 > TD-Dreamtime Single-$6 > Transformers The Movie (70 minute Dicola Score CDR)-$20 > Wavestar-Zenith-$12 > Yanni promo radio edit CD-free....unless Marcel beats you to it! > Assault On Precinct 13 (Carpenter score CDR-digital recording)-$25 > > There ya go...email me if you care about any of these. > > > DDD...Dano! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15002 Re: Selling: Various CDs Marcel Engels Thu 6/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 25, 1998 8:40 am Subject: Re: Green Desert ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Jens Kilian > Really-From: Dennis Nigbur > > - - playing Summer Storm during, you guessed it, a > thunderstorm. > > (although I must admit that there's nothing like Jarre's > Equinoxe as far as thunderstorm music goes) TD to play during a thunderstorm: 'Sphinx Lightning' (from 'Hyperborea'). Bye, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-14-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 25, 1998 12:29 pm Subject: Legend/Mia Sara ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Frank Stephen I know that the music from Legend has been taking a bashing on the list, but I think the problem is that when you listen to the music without looking at Mia Sara, it just isn't the same. Obviously (IMHO) one of the better looking young actresses of the '80s, her looks could not make up for her less than average acting skills. More Later, Frank fstephe@a... Crap under glass at the Smithsonian...is still crap. He who has the most to lose...has the most to start. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15005 Re: Legend/Mia Sara Lon Lowen Thu 6/25/1998 3 KB From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 25, 1998 2:52 pm Subject: Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found!!! DO NOT READ LITERALLY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > > > >Really-From: Sean Montgomery > > > >> how much is 34 DM in USD? > > > >About 19 bucks U.S. (28 Canadian)...only a dollar cheaper than RPM, > >really. But that includes shipping costs, You know, there must be some way to convince TDI that the North American market will dry up, particularly Canada, unless they lower those prices. No previous TDI disc I've seen here (Dream Mixes 2CD, Oasis, Tournado) was less than $25 CDN. Maybe licensing to Miramar? Maybe I should find out a bit about the distribution biz myself, and attempt to secure exclusive North American rights for distributing TDI's albums? ;) (Ideally, I think that $20 CDN should be quite enough for any of these puppies) > Err, wait a minute. It includes the shipping costs inside Germany > (as Hilmar said). I'm not aware any part of North America > beeing a part of Germany. ;-) > > > so I guess you're saving a bit. > > Err, if you'd know how expensive it is to send anything from Germany > outside Europe, you won't assume to save any buck. > It's bloody expensive. Thus my desire to perhaps try my hand at the distrbution biz...(how do you do a half-smiley?) > >Still, considering that most new CDs are $16 Canadian here in > >Toronto...it's a price that makes the heart race a bit faster. > > You damn North Americans, DAY's and Cansucks, > be lucky about paying only $16 Canadians (or 11 bucks) > for a new Electronic Music CD. I'd be happy to get This is not quite accurate. Most such CDs can be found only at specialty shops or smaller outfits (at least in Montreal), and then they are always upwards of $17 CDN, usually more than $20. > any new EM CD for less than 37 DM, that's the price you've to pay for it > if you *ever* find it in a local store. > > Not counting mass releases like Vangelis albums which are DM 25. > > Say, Sean, which EM (Electronic Music) album you got > recently for 28 Canadians in Toronto ? > > Wait a minute, which *excellent* EM album ? > > Sorry, but I'm just pissed off by all these NA's who wanna > get any CD for less than 10 bucks and pay the lot with their visacard... I think a lot of the vitriol over the last couple of weeks just demonstrates how spoiled we are (insert half-smiley here). > Jens > (;-), ;-), ;-) <- for those who read all word by word, put these into the text where appreciated) Gabe From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Thu Jun 25, 1998 2:58 pm Subject: Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-Dano's second! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote: > Really-From: TangerineC@a... > > > Unfortunatly, i think the same thing will happen but hopefully not that soon. > Maybe that's why he's putting the old stuff out now, because when Jerome gets > TD, he's not going to do it. Without any original members, TD is nothing. This is not so, IMO. Under the TD name, Jerome has been slowly but surely eclipsing his father in the 'music worth hearing' dept. However, I think much of the material on _Beyond The Storm_ is much better than some 'similar' recent TD. The sooner they part ways professionally, the better, IMO. Besides, when Ed finally retires, Jerome can concentrate on perhaps re-assembling TD into a semblance of its former self, while Ed can concentrate on releasing what he can of the old stuff--and personally dealing with all the crap we launch at TDI! > Besides Edgar may not retire at all. A true artist must have the need to > express himself. It's like a drug. I hope he stays for the duration of his > life. Tom This too is true, and not the first time I've heard this sentiment expressed here. Just because he leaves TD, doesn't mean there won't be any more solo albums. Gabe