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Subject: Re: Review Tangerine Dream: Transsiberia
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Thanks very much for your review of this album Jens.
Can you do one for Hollywood Years, too? ;)
Gabe
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> Really-From: 'jowers'
>
> What exactly is on Book of Dreams? I am interested in this and a few
> others if not sold.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
> > TD-Goblin's Club-$7
> > TD-Turn Of The Tides Single (w/Story of the Brave)-$6
> > Kraftwelt-Electric Dimension (Kraftwerk inspired band)-$7
> > TD-Book Of Dreams (2-cd set)-$10
> > JMJarre-Hong Kong Live (Japanese 2-cd set version)-$15
> > TD-Tournado-$7
> > John Wetton-Arkangel-$9
> > TD-Man Inside (CDR)-$20
> > JMJarre-JarreMix-$6
> > Goblin-Zombi (Japanese 'Down Of The Dead' misspell)-$20
> > TD-Rockoon Single-$6
> > TD-Dreamtime Single-$6
> > Transformers The Movie (70 minute Dicola Score CDR)-$20
> > Wavestar-Zenith-$12
> > Yanni promo radio edit CD-free....unless Marcel beats you to it!
> > Assault On Precinct 13 (Carpenter score CDR-digital recording)-$25
I bought everything so you can stop asking Dano. They're all gone now.
:-) :-) :-)
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
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(I'll get you, Dano! :-))
no really people, I didn't bought any of these, although I am interested
in Yanni......NOT
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Check out MUSIC MACHINE.They are offering the single releases at a pre-release
price of $17.99 each.I'm afraid though I was a sucker for DREAM DICE.
>RICK
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Sorry guys I meant MUSIC BOULEVARD!
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Frank (fstephe@a...) wrote:
> I know that the music from Legend has been taking a bashing on the list,
> but I think the problem is that when you listen to the music without
> looking at Mia Sara, it just isn't the same. Obviously (IMHO) one of the
> better looking young actresses of the '80s, her looks could not make up
> for her less than average acting skills.
I agree. It's sad that Legend has been taking bashings lately. To
me, it's quite a magical film and I still find that the LEGEND music
is one of TD's best. It was the soundtrack to LEGEND that got me
hooked on TD back in '86. --lon
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>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
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>Thanks very much for your review of this album Jens.
You're welcome. :-)
>Can you do one for Hollywood Years, too? ;)
Oi. NO ! Sorry, but I pass on this one...
Kind Regards
Jens
np: Tangerine Dream: live at an ol' p.home, Anaheim '11
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Date: 06/25/1998 01:55 pm (Thursday)
From: Kevin Earley
To: 'tadream@c... at internet'@Toronto.ccMail
Subject: D: Live - Oedipus Tyrannus
Interesting. The three movements of this piece are also fairly difficult
listens, but for a different reason. Oedipus Tyrannus, to me at least,
clearly sounds like a soundtrack. That is, the music is not meant to stand
on its own, rather it is meant to accompany some stage or screen action.
The music is wonderfully spooky though. I am curious as to whether this is
technically a live piece or not. To my ears, it lacks the live excitement
and energy that I hear even in Le Ponts De Ce.
The most disturbing aspect, of course, is how much of Oedipus Tyrannus was
lifted for Encore. We are all aware that the live albums are really
creatures of the studio, but it is a bit of a shock to really *learn*
this. Especially with Encore, my favourite TD album.
I've also just finished listening to the encore from Rheims. This sounds
wonderful to me. It's really very simple, like they are just playing with
the knobs, letting the sound phase in and out, but it works for my ears.
Kevin Earley
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> Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
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> >Really-From: Gabe Yedid
> >
> >Thanks very much for your review of this album Jens.
>
> You're welcome. :-)
>
> >Can you do one for Hollywood Years, too? ;)
>
> Oi. NO ! Sorry, but I pass on this one...
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Jens
Yeeeehahahahahahahahaha!!!!
this Jens will be receiving a complimentary copy of my forthcoming
album, Nominal Gain! Yeehahaha!!!
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On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>
> >Really-From: Gabe Yedid
> >
> >Thanks very much for your review of this album Jens.
>
> You're welcome. :-)
>
> >Can you do one for Hollywood Years, too? ;)
>
> Oi. NO ! Sorry, but I pass on this one...
You really don't like it that much, do you?
Look...I can understand disappointment about it not being what was expected.
I'd just like to know if there's actually anything of quality on it at all.
> Kind Regards
>
> Jens
Gabe
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At 11:41 AM 6/25/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
>
>this Jens will be receiving a complimentary copy of my forthcoming
>album, Nominal Gain! Yeehahaha!!!
Followed by Financial Gain: Nominal Gain II?
-Morgan
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No, I'm not confused. I'm just having my first listen to Timesquare...
I keep having to remind myself that this is Tangerine Dream and not Orbital.
hmm. I know someone posted a list of what tracks correspond to what
previously used tracks.
Mobocaster is clearly from a track on Turn of the Tides.
-Morgan
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Mobocaster is Twilight Brigade IMO well revisited.
With the track 'Timesquare', they are my prefs.
I'm not convinced that others tracks are remix of previous material, except
'toward', obviously.
Fred
Really-From: feldon@p...
No, I'm not confused. I'm just having my first listen to Timesquare...
I keep having to remind myself that this is Tangerine Dream and not Orbital.
hmm. I know someone posted a list of what tracks correspond to what
previously used tracks.
Mobocaster is clearly from a track on Turn of the Tides.
-Morgan
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On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?=
>
>
> Mobocaster is Twilight Brigade IMO well revisited.
>
> With the track 'Timesquare', they are my prefs.
>
> I'm not convinced that others tracks are remix of previous material, except
'toward', obviously.
'Culpa Levis' seems to be a jumble of ideas taken from:
Iowa
Tangram Set I
Zion
and maybe even Convention of the 24
Other than that I agree...I think the connection between 'Loved by the
Sun' and 'TimeSquare' is tenuous at best.
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>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>> >Can you do one for Hollywood Years, too? ;)
[me]
>> Oi. NO ! Sorry, but I pass on this one...
[Gabe]
>You really don't like it that much, do you?
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!
One coconut for that man, pleeeeaaase!
>Look...I can understand disappointment about it not being what was expected.
>I'd just like to know if there's actually anything of quality on it at all.
Imagine the following: A friend of mine picked up these two
and I don't have the spare money to go for the DD. I don't have the money
for the seperate discs either...
This friend ordered these two Hollywood suckfest albums AND the complete DD by
mistake..
He knows, I don't have much money left for CD's and send the doubles for free
to me.
I'd respond to the friend (as I don't wanna piss him off):
'Huge thanks, but I think they did release better stuff in the 90s.'
Well I know, at least the hardcore collectors (those collecting even different
covers!)
will like it. It's their passion. Ok.
Those thinking Edgar's still a genius might like it as well.
The few nuts, licking Ed's arse with a passion, might even really love it !
But if you ask me, Gabe, I just can't recommend it.
Some of the 30 tracks have nice parts here and there but the set as a whole's
just a stinker. Uninspired stuff, the better parts being rip-offs of either
Bach or better tunes of TD itself. Ed's aced the class being the new king of
boredom, all IMO of course !
Gabe, go for Q. extended and the Transsib. release and spend your money for
other artists than TD. Do you already have Rob Essers 'A Lizards Walk' ?
That's only one of many, many way better almost unknown artists
in the shadow of a highly overrated band, called TD...
Well you asked, Gabe ;-)
Kind Regards
Jens
ps: sorry for not offering a track-by-track review but I would have
to hear that sucker again, I'm just not willing!
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> This is the first time I've seen mention of a SBM version of Zeit.
> Does it actually exist?
> Thanks
> John
No, it doesn't. The SBM's are Virgin remasters. What your man is on
about is a Castle Remaster. Not SBM but still damn fine remastering.
All of the releases that Jive / Castle hold the rights to have been
remastered including the completely excellent Underwater Sunlight,
which is still the Dog's Bollocks.
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Subject: Pointless post
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> Steve wrote:
>
> with,
>
>
>
> That's an interesting (and very subjective) angle:
Didn't he have much to say then?
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Subject: Re: Keep Keep whos got the Keep....
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> With all the talk about THE KEEP official release in doubt again, I am
> surprised no one has compiled a listing of who owns the 150 that were
> sold...(I'm not volunteeing)!
There is absolutely no way that there were only 150 Keep CD's released
no matter what Ed says!
I bought 5 copies (for various people) and that was on about the 4th date
of the tour, and there were 'loads' left. I know what 150 CD's look like as
( I have almost exactly that many next to me here now) and I can quite
catergorically state that 150 is a load of bollocks. (Probably why they
aren't numbered either - so nobody twigs that they've been stiffed 20
quid for an unlimited limited edition!)
Lawry
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Ps - I've just checked, and it says 'Special Edition' on the packaging, not
'Limited Edition' so perhaps I do a disservice to Ed & Co.
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> Subject: D: Live (Tape Tree #1)
> This post is at least a week late, sorry 'bout that.
Better late than never.
What's going on here? Let's have some posts people!
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I asked in Virgin to check the release dates for Hollywood Years
and Transsiberia on their computer. They did not show up. Does
anyone know if a general release in the UK is iminent?
Ta,
Lawry
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> Until I saw this message, I thought people were kidding about truncated
> messages. I originally responded, 'How about the sax? I liked that
> bit!'
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----Original Message Follows----
> You damn North Americans, DAY's and Cansucks,
> be lucky about paying only $16 Canadians (or 11 bucks)
> for a new Electronic Music CD. I'd be happy to get
This is not quite accurate. Most such CDs can be found only at
specialty shops or smaller outfits (at least in Montreal), and then they
are always upwards of $17 CDN, usually more than $20.
I'm confused. Here in the New York / New Jersey area we routinely pay
$29.99 for imported cd's. (This excepts perhaps cutouts which didn't
sell in the primary market). What are the complaints about?
Even new domestic items start at $17.99, unless they are high volume
items. High volume can be bought for $11.99 in the right places. (for
me that means buying a $12.20 roundtrip train ticket). I ordered Dream
Dice, and am happy about it. I DON'T have most of the commercially
unavailable items, or hard to get items. Because around here, hard to
get is HARD TO GET...
Am I rich? No! Am I crazy? No! I like Tangerine Dream. I have for
25 years, and will continue...
How unrich is he? He actually held in his hand, in 1983, in J&R Music
World (33 Park Row in NYC) a copy of the Keep Soundtrack, but did not
have enough money to get it. It was gone the next day, and since it
wasn't listed in their catalog they couldn't order it. The paste on
label on the cover said it was imported by Jem Records in NJ, which went
bankrupt soon afterward. (I have visions which torment me about an
abandoned warehouse with a copy of the Keep.
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Top tip.... if a line starts with a full stop (period for our US chums)
then
majordomo will treat it as a command sequence and strip it from the
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Thank you. That explains much. I often stop before I start and get cut
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>Sorry guys I meant MUSIC BOULEVARD!
>
Ahhh.....Rick, I took a look at MB and found nothing about the new
stuff....is there a trick to finding the listing?
Thanks.
John
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>
>
>> This is the first time I've seen mention of a SBM version of
Zeit.
>> Does it actually exist?
>> Thanks
>> John
>
>No, it doesn't. The SBM's are Virgin remasters. What your man
is on
>about is a Castle Remaster. Not SBM but still damn fine
remastering.
>
>All of the releases that Jive / Castle hold the rights to have been
>remastered including the completely excellent Underwater Sunlight,
>which is still the Dog's Bollocks.
>
>
>Lawry
>lawrysimm@usa.net
Thanks for the info, Lawry, I'll try to find a copy.
John
jp
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>Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:05:23 PDT
>Subject: Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found!!!
DO NOT READ LITERALLY
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Jim & Sew Fong Jordan
>
>Am I rich? No! Am I crazy? No! I like Tangerine Dream. I have for
>25 years, and will continue...
>
>How unrich is he? [. . .]
Whoah, whoah; hold on! Are there two people talking here (Jim and
Sew)? If so, please identify when one person is done 'talking' (i.e.
typing) and when another has started. PLEASE!
I'm not sure what you mean by 'DO NOT READ LITERALLY,' in context
of the following, but . . .
>How unrich is he? He actually held in his hand, in 1983, [. . .]
I distinctly recall having held the copy I held in *1984*. (The
film itself was not released in the USA until late December of 1983.)
>[. . .] He actually held in his hand, in 1983, in J&R Music
>World (33 Park Row in NYC) a copy of the Keep Soundtrack, but did not
>have enough money to get it. It was gone the next day, and since it
>wasn't listed in their catalog they couldn't order it. The paste on
>label on the cover said it was imported by Jem Records in NJ, which went
>bankrupt soon afterward. (I have visions which torment me about an
>abandoned warehouse with a copy of the Keep.
Is this an attempt at humor at my expense? I realize that you are
a relatively new pair of subscribers, but . . .
Anyways, if the anecdote above is for real, please elucide/specify
in private e-mail. (The naysayers here don't want to hear anything
this early-80's KEEP album until someone actually comes up with one in
hand because they're sick of me defending having seen a copy.)
Thank you.
Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02146; 617-232-3876;
. Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107;
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FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Redshift, Nightcrawlers, R. Carty, Ozrics, Serrie
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Date: Fri Jun 26, 1998 2:31
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Subject: Re: Message for Edgar: Shit or Get Off the Pot!-Dano's second!
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Here's a strange thought. Edgar could stast up a new band with some of the
old members and they could call themslves Tangerine Dream Classic
>> Unfortunatly, i think the same thing will happen but hopefully not that soon.
>> Maybe that's why he's putting the old stuff out now, because when Jerome gets
>> TD, he's not going to do it. Without any original members, TD is nothing.
>
>This is not so, IMO. Under the TD name, Jerome has been slowly but
>surely eclipsing his father in the 'music worth hearing' dept. However,
>I think much of the material on _Beyond The Storm_ is much better than
>some 'similar' recent TD. The sooner they part ways professionally, the
>better, IMO.
>
>Besides, when Ed finally retires, Jerome can concentrate on perhaps
>re-assembling TD into a semblance of its former self, while Ed can
>concentrate on releasing what he can of the old stuff--and personally
>dealing with all the crap we launch at TDI!
>
>> Besides Edgar may not retire at all. A true artist must have the need to
>> express himself. It's like a drug. I hope he stays for the duration of his
>> life. Tom
>
>This too is true, and not the first time I've heard this sentiment
>expressed here. Just because he leaves TD, doesn't mean there won't
>be any more solo albums.
>
>Gabe
>
>
>
>
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Hey John! Just go into MB and key in TANGERINE DREAM on music search.When it
gives you their discography scan down to the imports listing and you will find
them in alphabetical order with ADVANCE ORDER beside them.Hope this helps.If
not you can e-mail me personally.
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>Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan'
>How unrich is he? He actually held in his hand, in 1983, in J&R Music
>World (33 Park Row in NYC) a copy of the Keep Soundtrack, but did not
>have enough money to get it. It was gone the next day, and since it
>wasn't listed in their catalog they couldn't order it. The paste on
>label on the cover said it was imported by Jem Records in NJ, which went
>bankrupt soon afterward. (I have visions which torment me about an
>abandoned warehouse with a copy of the Keep.
J&R Music? I guess you can now join Steven's Keep mailing list and remain
forever in pergatory... ;-) But just to calm everyone's nerves, it doesn't
exist. Six people that saw it and couldn't affort it means 'one in the hand
is worth six in the bush'. Do you guys know where you are? I did some
research with the studios. They claim that a soundtrack was in the works
but scrapped due to legal/whatever reasons. Nothing was ever pressed. If
I'm lying, then they are lying, but why? Keep dreaming....and your mission
is to prove me wrong :-)
BTW, I had another TD fan today state that he really wanted to order the LP
'The Soldier From Orange' in the early 80's about some war movie released
from The Nederlands, but the distributor could not get it before it was
deleted. I'm not joking here either. Anyone ever heard of this? Was this a
misprint for a possible LP release of The Soldier strk?
Vic
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Date: Fri Jun 26, 1998 3:33
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Subject: Re: New TD releases at *reasonable prices* found!!! DO NOT READ LITERALLY
At 10:51 PM 6/25/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: RBrown4856@aol.com
>
>
>Hey John! Just go into MB and key in TANGERINE DREAM on music
search.When it
>gives you their discography scan down to the imports listing and you
will find
>them in alphabetical order with ADVANCE ORDER beside them.Hope this
helps.If
>not you can e-mail me personally.
>
>>RICK
>
Oh.....
I feel dumb, thought the two items it brought up were all they
had..........didn't realize they were links to a
longer list.
Thanks.
John
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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Date: Fri Jun 26, 1998 3:59
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Subject: Re: Two Albums that Don't exist? Soldier of Orange?
At 11:27 PM 6/25/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>BTW, I had another TD fan today state that he really wanted to order
the LP
>'The Soldier From Orange' in the early 80's about some war
movie released
>from The Nederlands, but the distributor could not get it before it
was
>deleted. I'm not joking here either. Anyone ever heard of
this? Was this a
>misprint for a possible LP release of The Soldier strk?
>
Vic
'Soldier of Orange' is somewhat more than 'some war
movie', but it does in fact exist. The soundtrack also exists, can
look at (or hear) it when necessary by going to a fellow collectors house
in LA. Never wanted it myself but it does exist....may be VERY rare,
considering the stuff my friend has in his collection (NO HE DOES NOT
HAVE THE KEEP!).
John
jp
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Subject: Re: The Keep (un)limited edition
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Lawry the superstar sez:
<<
There is absolutely no way that there were only 150 Keep CD's released
no matter what Ed says!
I bought 5 copies (for various people) and that was on about the 4th date
of the tour, and there were 'loads' left. I know what 150 CD's look like as
( I have almost exactly that many next to me here now) and I can quite
catergorically state that 150 is a load of bollocks.
>>
I couldn't put it better myself!
As I've already posted, I bought 5 copies at the Nottingham Concert (2nd in
the UK tour?) and there were stacks of them ... also noticed that they
weren't exactly going out of their way to promote them ..
Steve.
np: TD - Underwater Sunlight
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Dreamers,
Is it possible for me to get copies of tape trees 1 and 2?
I am a current subscriber to tree 3 onwards, but I missed out on
the first two. If you can help, or know someone who can then please
contact me off-list.
Thanks,
Steve.
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JMPoer wrote:
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>At 11:27 PM 6/25/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>Really-From: Vic Rek
>>
>
(...)
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'Jens Peschke' wrote:
> >Can you do one for Hollywood Years, too? ;)
>
> Oi. NO ! Sorry, but I pass on this one...
Mark Filipak used to say 'I only review what I like', right Jens? :-)
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>Really-From: Antonio Nunes
>Mark Filipak used to say 'I only review what I like', right Jens? :-)
Exactly. Plus you just can't write a proper full length review w/o hearing
the music often enough.
Not only that they're called 'The Hollywood years' and don't have
any track of TD's 'Hollywood years' on it, the two albums in questions
don't offer much quality at all, musically. I like '220 Volt live',
'the World Tour single', 'Quinoa', 'DMI+II', Transsiberia and even AM
plus a few tracks of the other stuff Ed&Jerry did, btw.
The Keep unlimited special edition on the other hand is the best
album recently released under the TD banner, all IMO of course...
I've still to found out if Zoning or the Hollywood suckers
are worser. ;-)
Take care you all
Jens
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Subject: D:Live Week 4 - w/c Sunday June 28th
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
This week we would like to hear at least 1 comment on...
Surely there are people on the list that have these!
Come on people, don't be shy... there are many on the list
that wish you to share your thoughts on this stuff.
Week 4: 1975 Australian Tour, all tapes & 4.2.75 London
3.13.75 Melbourne (Dallas Brooks Hall) 84 min. (Au)
3.25.75 Adelaide (Festival Hall) 87 min. (Au)
4.2.75 London (Royal Albert Hall)
Boots: Coefficient of Aural Expansion I + II (CD+CDR)
[2.1-2]
Absolutely Hypnotized -- excerpt
Phaedream -- excerpt
Concentrical Progression 2CDRs
Tapes: 115 min. (FM)
Lawry.
npw- JP8000 :-)
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Subject: SBM vs Remastered
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>This is the first time I've seen mention of a SBM version of Zeit.
>Does it actually exist?
No its not SBM remastered just remastered in 96 on Sequel, my Tangram was
SBM remastered in 95 on Virgin. The sound is very good. I really wonder how
big a difference the remastering type makes. Unless Virgin has access to
better/newer equipment than Sequel. Does Edgar get to remaster for the
different labels or does someone else do the work?
Steve
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Subject: Searching for Air
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Sorry for the non-TD post, but it's electronic
music so...
There has just been a special on TV over here about
Air - Moon Safari. It's that french electronic 'pop' band.
Great music, lots of peeks in their studio, live playing.
I taped it of course, missed first 2 or 3 minutes)
Marcel
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>JMPoer wrote:
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>>>Really-From: Vic Rek
>>>
>>
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>
>For the sake of digest-subscribers' sanity, please turn off the html
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>Antonio
I didn't think I was sending HTML, do you see it in this message?
My mailer (Eudora) 'says' it's sending 'plain' text.
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On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>
> >Really-From: Gabe Yedid
> >> >Can you do one for Hollywood Years, too? ;)
> [me]
> >> Oi. NO ! Sorry, but I pass on this one...
> [Gabe]
> >You really don't like it that much, do you?
>
> YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!
> One coconut for that man, pleeeeaaase!
I'll take that in the best possible way.
> I'd respond to the friend (as I don't wanna piss him off):
>
> 'Huge thanks, but I think they did release better stuff in the 90s.'
> But if you ask me, Gabe, I just can't recommend it.
> Some of the 30 tracks have nice parts here and there but the set as a whole's
> just a stinker. Uninspired stuff, the better parts being rip-offs of either
Bach or better tunes of TD itself. Ed's aced the class being the new king of
boredom, all IMO of course !
OK. That's just what I wanted to know. Although, I thought even
_Zoning_ turned out to be better than expected.
> Gabe, go for Q. extended and the Transsib. release and spend your money
>for other artists than TD. Do you already have Rob Essers 'A Lizards Walk' ?
No.
Other EM such as this doesn't make it to any local shops here (at least none
I've been to), and since I don't have a credit card, I can't get it by
mail or over the Net, either.
> That's only one of many, many way better almost unknown artists
> in the shadow of a highly overrated band, called TD...
>
> Well you asked, Gabe ;-)
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Jens
>
> ps: sorry for not offering a track-by-track review but I would have
> to hear that sucker again, I'm just not willing!
Well...if you hate them that much...you could always send them my way and
I'll do it ;)
Gabe
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>J&R Music? I guess you can now join Steven's Keep mailing list and
>remain forever in pergatory... ;-) But just to calm everyone's
>nerves, it doesn't exist.
The fact that someone says to me that it doesn't exist, doesn't make the
event cease to exist. I know what I saw.
By the way, why should anyone's nerves be uncalm about a record?
>Six people that saw it and couldn't affort it means 'one in the hand
>is worth six in the bush'.
Six people who saw it and couln't afford it at the time probably means
that those who bought them have not taken part in this mailing list.
Considering the odds of people buying TD music in the past also having
computers and internet access and time to waste on frivolous pleasures
such as this (if you call griping about Dream Dice a pleasure), I'd
consider the response as average on the whole.
>Do you guys know where you are?
I know where I am. Do you know where YOU are?
>I did some research with the studios. They claim that a soundtrack
>was in the works but scrapped due to legal/whatever reasons. >Nothing
was ever pressed.
Knowing how album distribution over the past 40 years has produced quite
a few mishaps in erroneous prereleasing of material which was then
withdrawn the following day, I'd say that you spoke with low level
functionaries, record company legal staff, etc. Why should you be able
to get an affirmation from a company that they made a legal error in
releasing an album? Perhaps they should just send a check for
consequential damages to Edgar, or the movie's production company, or to
whomsoever blocked the release. Do you really expect to uncover truth
from corporate PR staff? You should really think things with legal
consequences through before you draw a conclusion.
>If I'm lying, then they are lying, but why?
Error in logic. If you are lying, we don't know what they said,
therefore they may not be lying, and may even have told you that it was
released. But why would you lie? What would it gain you? Why would I
lie? It gains me nothing. I have no vested interest one way or the
other. Either way, I don't have the album.
>Keep dreaming....
as always...
>and your mission
>is to prove me wrong :-)
Sorry, but I have no mission here. I related an event relavent to the
content of this list. If you choose not to believe, so be it. I have
no ego problem here...
Take no offense to my ranting by the way...
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I concede I may have mistakenly got the number 150 from the amount TD
intended to sell through the website... If you were at the shows I am in
no position to dispute how many you saw... Nonehteless, I expect the
amount sold was rather limited...
Regards,
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> I didn't think I was sending HTML, do you see it in this message?
>
> My mailer (Eudora) 'says' it's sending 'plain' text.
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> Thanks
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> John
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> jp
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> 'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
He may be old..but he knows what he sent. ;-)
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>I've mentioned interest in the Tape Trees, but I don't know if my requests
>got through. I'm interested in getting on the tape trees starting at Tape
>Tree 3 as a CD-R branch.
>-Morgan
I am invloved in tape tree #3, but I didn't have any contact till this day. Is
it normal ?
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I've mentioned interest in the Tape Trees, but I don't know if my requests
got through. I'm interested in getting on the tape trees starting at Tape
Tree 3 as a CD-R branch.
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in America has all the new Dream Dice discs individually
for $17.99 American. No shipping charge when you buy
3 or more discs.
It posts an availability date of July 14th for most items.
You can preorder them now.
There ya go.
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> Here's a strange thought. Edgar could start up a new band with some of
> the old members and they could call themslves Tangerine Dream Classic
Or how about Edgar abandons modern music altogether, and starts a
'Tangerine Dream CLASSICAL' label, which produces only cover versions of
Mozart and Bach...
Oh, wait...that's already happening.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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Hello,
sorry, this is not a DD review, and I don't want to talk about my
disappointment about what it _could_ have been. I just wanted to let you
know details that I at least find quite interesting.
1 - only of marginal interest: Dream Encore's booklet gives TD's thank
yous to their 'guest musicians'. Amongst those expected (Zlatko, Linda,
Mark Hornby etc.) there's also - Paul Haslinger.
2: As someone some time ago expected, the tracks on Ambient Monkeys are
finally indexed (well, not literally indexed, but they're single tracks
without breaks - I hope you know what I mean). But: One track, Haendel's
Largo, has silently disappeared so that the CD is about 3 minutes
shorter. Who knows, maybe we'll see it again on TD's projected Classic
CD.
3: The Hollywood Years 1 & 2 credits Edgar and Jerome as sole composers.
Okay, there's Bach's Sonata on Vol. 1, but Bach is at least mentioned in
the track title. All in all, I can understand Jens' refusal to say
anything more about the 2 CDs. All other tracks are probably Edgar and
Jerome's work (maybe some Edgar solos as well) - with one exception:
Track 13 off of Vol. 2, Riding the Lizard Overland (btw, it's true that
the track titles obviously don't have anything to do with film titles),
is nothing else but the main theme from Red Heat, probably rerecorded or
at least remixed. Now, this film was released in 1986 - what to we make
of this?
Hans-Peter
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>Really-From: feldon@p...
>>I've mentioned interest in the Tape Trees, but I don't know if my
requests
>>got through. I'm interested in getting on the tape trees starting at
Tape
>>Tree 3 as a CD-R branch.
>>-Morgan
>I am invloved in tape tree #3, but I didn't have any contact till >this
day. Is it normal ?
>Fred
I would like to get any and all tapes in order to be in a position to
enter discussions. I don't have recording capabilities. What would
otherwise be the cost, and how would I go about it?
Jim Jordan,
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For the moment, 3 questions without answer.
Help !
Fred
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>Really-From: feldon@p...
>>I've mentioned interest in the Tape Trees, but I don't know if my
requests
>>got through. I'm interested in getting on the tape trees starting at
Tape
>>Tree 3 as a CD-R branch.
>>-Morgan
>I am invloved in tape tree #3, but I didn't have any contact till >this
day. Is it normal ?
>Fred
I would like to get any and all tapes in order to be in a position to
enter discussions. I don't have recording capabilities. What would
otherwise be the cost, and how would I go about it?
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Subject: Soldier of Orange not TD
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I have seen both movies The Soldier and the Soldier of Orange and only
the former has a TD soondtrack...
MJ
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>Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
>
>Sorry for the non-TD post, but it's electronic
>music so...
>
>There has just been a special on TV over here about
>Air - Moon Safari. It's that french electronic 'pop' band.
>Great music, lots of peeks in their studio, live playing.
>I taped it of course, missed first 2 or 3 minutes)
>
>Marcel
>Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
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Awesome!
I hope the group makes it big..
at least in Europe, but probably not
in the US.
For the TD fan-- they do about
half instrumental and half vocal--
although vocals are not emphasis
in most songs. (vocoders used)
Kind of like a more emotional,
acoustic Kraftwerk.
Greg H.
NP: Static from my new 'puter
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In a message dated 6/26/98 12:36:31 PM, Hans-Peter Mueller wrote:
<>
This piece appears on 'Tyranny of Beauty.' I'm not sure if it's the same
version, though.
--Quarlie :)
np: Higher Intelligence Agency--'Colourform'
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> Really-From: 'Hans-Peter Mueller'
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>
> 1 - only of marginal interest: Dream Encore's booklet gives TD's thank
> yous to their 'guest musicians'. Amongst those expected (Zlatko, Linda,
> Mark Hornby etc.) there's also - Paul Haslinger.
Hmm...I wonder how Paul would feel were he to read that...
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>Really-From: Gabe Yedid
>OK. That's just what I wanted to know. Although, I thought even
>_Zoning_ turned out to be better than expected.
Well, at least it doesn't hurt (when played in the background)
>> Do you already have Rob Essers 'A Lizards Walk' ?
>No.
>Other EM such as this doesn't make it to any local shops here (at least none
>I've been to), and since I don't have a credit card, I can't get it by
>mail or over the Net, either.
Do you really need a credit card ? How about IMO's or asking a friend to order
for you ?
And how silly I was assuming every NA has a credit card. 8-)
I used mine only once to get CD's, needless to say from the States. 8-)
>> ps: sorry for not offering a track-by-track review but I would have
>> to hear that sucker again, I'm just not willing!
>
>Well...if you hate them that much...you could always send them my way and
>I'll do it ;)
He, he, he. Nice try. I don't hate any music, btw.
Kind Regards
Jens
np: TD: Paris 1976, most enjoyable stuff !!
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>Music Boulevard
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>http://www.musicblvd.com
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>in America has all the new Dream Dice discs individually
>for $17.99 American. No shipping charge when you buy
>3 or more discs.
Hello,
Does anyone have the E-mail address of Music Boulevard?
Martyn
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>Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
> Really-From: 'Hans-Peter Mueller'
>
>
> 1 - only of marginal interest: Dream Encore's booklet gives TD's thank
> yous to their 'guest musicians'. Amongst those expected (Zlatko, Linda,
> Mark Hornby etc.) there's also - Paul Haslinger.
>Hmm...I wonder how Paul would feel were he to read that...
>E-Man
Absolutely! And what about Linda? She composed and played with E&J for
several years, but it appears that they always thought of her as a
'guest musician' and not a part of TD as a whole. That must be quite
hurtfull in retrospect.
I wonder how Edgar would class PB now...the groups first English
spokesperson? And CF...?!
Cheers,
Daniel
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>I wonder how Edgar would class PB now...the groups first English
>spokesperson?
How about 'interloper'
>And CF...?!
Hard to overlook him, too integral.
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Another newbie question:
The soundtrack of the movie 'The Soldier' was it ever put on a CD?
(If not, are any parts of it included on other albums?)
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morgan, fred and jim (and few song too?):
here are some answers for the tape trees:
morgan and jim (and anyone else)
1) we are coming up on trees 6-7 (as soon as Hilmar catches up on things,
Hilmar?) for material from tape trees 1-5 you will have to set up a private
trade with someone who has this material (other than me, I'm burned out --
unless Jim you've already got some interesting live stuff, then contact me
off-list ;-) -- there are about 50 people out there. I'd suggest looking
back over the digests, find the tape trees that were posted and then
contact a few people....
morgan and jim
2) when the call for participation for tape trees 6-7 is posted (when? ask
Hilmar ;-) follow the directions to sign up.
fred
3) you haven't been contacted about trees 3-4? who's your branch-parent?
have you contacted them? have you arranged a deal? have you sent your trade
items? be assertive, don't wait to be contacted: as soon as the tree is
posted, contact your branch and arrange a deal. if you have contacted them
and have not received a reply, try once more and then contact either tom or
myself off list.
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If I remember correctly from the Tadream official web page, something
was
said about Paul playing as a guest artist *before* he joined the band.
And it
makes sense that they would acknowledge his guest appearance separately,
since They list Linda as a 'guest' even though the web page lists her as
a full-
fledged member of the band.
Besides, under a Q & A section on the page about former TD members,
Edgar
acknowledges Paul as '...still the best man on the grand.' referring to
his
tremendous Piano skills. It also states that Paul parted company
amiably,
and though he will never record with them again, the general tone
suggests that
he is still a good friend.
Unlike some other former members (Edgar says he wouldn't waste the time
to
have a cup of coffee with some former members...) though no names are
given.
Possibly the guy from the early days they expelled because he couldn't
control his
drug habit.
James
> > Really-From: 'Hans-Peter Mueller'
> >
> >
> > 1 - only of marginal interest: Dream Encore's booklet gives TD's
> thank
> > yous to their 'guest musicians'. Amongst those expected (Zlatko,
> Linda,
> > Mark Hornby etc.) there's also - Paul Haslinger.
>
> Hmm...I wonder how Paul would feel were he to read that...
>
> E-Man
>
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> Another newbie question:
> The soundtrack of the movie 'The Soldier' was it ever put on a CD?
> (If not, are any parts of it included on other albums?)
> Tom
Here's what I know about the music being on other albums. Keep in mind
that these tracks are VERY close to the movie...but may contain some
remixage.
Main title: Tangram
Opening (planting the bomb): Poland
Across the border: Underwater Sunlight (Dolphin Dance)
Making the bomb: Logos
Shooting Gallery: Logos
Glider theme: Wavelength OST
Love Theme: Logos
On the slopes/exploding truck: unavailable...but try Phaedra/Rubycon for
similarity
Escaping KGB: Poland
End Title: Thief OST (Beach Scene)
I may have forgotten a couple.
Dano
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Folks,
I missed this particular posting before, so that is why I am
replying only now for the first time. For those of you who tend to get
upset with my 100+ line postings about THE KEEP, you can blame vic Rek
on this one, so send your off-list flames to *him*, not me.
>Subject: Two Albums that Don't exist? Soldier of Orange?
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:27:00 -0400 (EDT)
>Message-ID: <199806260327.WAA05352@c...>
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>>Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan'
>
>>[I] actually held in [my] hand, in 1983, in J&R Music World (33 Park
>>Row in NYC) a copy of the Keep Soundtrack, but did not have enough
>>money to get it. It was gone the next day, and since it wasn't listed
>>in their catalog they couldn't order it. The paste on label on the
>>cover said it was imported by Jem Records in NJ, which went bankrupt
>>soon afterward. (I have visions which torment me about an abandoned
>>warehouse with a copy of the Keep.
>
>J&R Music? I guess you can now join Steven's Keep mailing list and
>remain forever in pergatory... ;-) [. . .]
Ha ha, very funny . . . not!
>[. . .] But just to calm everyone's nerves, it doesn't exist. [. . .]
Now that not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, but *six*
people on the Internet have attested to having seen a commercial (as
opposed to 'official,' for you nitpickers out there) release of THE KEEP
soundtrack in 1984 (five saw the LP, one saw the cassette, and one is
mistakenly remembering 1984 as 1983), I think it's well past time to
reevaluate such coy dismissals.
>[. . .] Six people that saw it and couldn't afford it means 'one in
the hand is worth six in the bush'. [. . .]
What is that supposed to mean?
>[. . .] Do you guys know where you are? [. . .]
I don't know--in a virtually forum, maybe; sitting at keyboards,
hitting keys, definitely. Your point?
>[. . .] I did some research with the studios. [. . .]
So what? There is good research and there's bad research. And in
the case of good research, just because one tries hard doesn't mean that
any significant results are unearthed. And in the case of significant
results, just because the fruits of one's labors seem to amount to
something doesn't mean that the data's implications have much to do with
the facts. Skewed data can and often do lead to incorrect assumptions.
And how does one ascertain if and when data is skewed? When subsequent
data indicates that it was probably wrong.
>[. . .] They claim that a soundtrack was in the works but scrapped due
to legal/whatever reasons. [. . .]
Given the hypothetical situation of an embarrassing situation being
denied as ever having transpired, lack of evidence gives strong impetus
for the embarrassed party and any and all of its constituents to profess
ignorance or promulgate falsehood.
It is in the best interests of the persons responsible for the
accidental release to play dumb as long as there is no concrete evidence
of the thing they are denying. This is not a new nor unusual concept,
nor is it obscure in the public arena. Ever watch THE X-FILES?
>[. . .] Nothing was ever pressed. [. . .]
What makes you think this is so? Six people have attested to the
fact they held a copy of such an item in their hands. They are speaking
from experience and recollection. And what are you speaking from?
Belief and opinion. You are speaking from belief because you have no
first-hand experience of it being so--and from opinion because you
really have little concrete data with which to form a assessment. As I
have quoted from Einstein on innumerable occasions, 'Absence of evidence
is not evidence of absence.' In short, it is as hard to prove the non-
existence of something as it is to prove its existence.
I have five people backing *me* up in my convictions, and yet there
are only three or four people here who go great lengths to discredit us.
Why might this be? I think it's envy: it's difficult for some people
who fancy themselves to be authorities on something to admit that there
are others less knowledgable than themselves who nevertheless know
something they don't. There are exceptions to this rule, however: one
of the people with a story to tell about a pre-1990's copy of THE KEEP
is none other than Alan Vincent Michaels, author of one of two most
voluminous TD tomes, THE DREAM LIVES ON.
>[. . .] If I'm lying, then they are lying [. . .]
That conclusion is erroneous.
>[. . .] they are lying, but why? [. . .]
See above; it is either a case of ignorance or 'protecting one's
best interests.'
>[. . .] Keep dreaming....and your mission is to prove me wrong :-)
Unfortunately, it is only people like, *you*, Vic, that have made
it a 'mission.' Those who know something for certain about a subject do
not appreciate being pummelled constantly with insinuations as to the
status of their sanity by those who know nothing with certainty
pertaining to the same subject.
What is ironic is that badgering such as yours can lead to
insecurity and self-questioning on the part of those who experienced
something, while it is all too easy for a disbeliever to convince
himself that in no way is his sanity in question. Why is this? Peer
pressure. Safety in numbers. Nobody else saw something, so saying that
you didn't see it either is really very easy . . . and redundant . . .
and a waste of time.
There is a contingent of UFOlogists who argue that if the evidence
and testimony given as to the reality of the existence of UFOs were to
be given or applied to any other subject in a court of law, that it
would stand up as a case in which there was such an overwhelming amount
of circumstantial evidence that the case would be won. I think that,
analogously, six witnesses to a pre-1990's KEEP album should suffice.
-- Steven Feldman
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I vaguely remember watching a made for television mini-series (two or
three night movie) here in the U.S. about 4-5 years ago which credited
music to Tangerine Dream. I think it was Science Fiction based (It was
not Deadly Care). Does any one have a clue as to what my memory does
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In a message dated 98-06-24 22:50:35 EDT, you write:
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Listening to 'Melrose' while driving down Melrose Ave...
Listening to Franke's PCH, while driving down PCH...
>>
>Playing 'Rolling down Cahuenga' while driving down Cahuenga Blvd in LA ;-)
>Been there, done that.
>
> Jens.
Ok, guys, how about a little elucidation of the subject? In other words,
how did the music match or influence what you were actually seeing? Did it
seem appropriate for the scenery and in what way? What stands out in your
memory of what you were seeing/feeling as the music was playing? 8-) Dell
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Thanks!
Nice to see this summary info.
---Francisco
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: What's so special about this 15-minute version of Catwalk?
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On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:01:12 -0400 you said:
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>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>What's so special about this 15-minute version of Catwalk? Isn't this
>just the same original version played twice with a bridge?
I don't know; what's so special about that 'Marrakesh' single edit
that wasn't even edited by the band? X-0 ;)
Well, TD Weenie that I am, I really like 'Catwalk'; it's one of my
favorite songs--so a fifteen minute version is good in my book, despite
the fact that it's little more than the same song played twice, back-
to-back.
-- Steven Feldman
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two more to add..
Charles Phiilips....Shreveport , LA
Thomas Boddie...Grand Junction, CO
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: [Re KEEP Naysayers:] What's wrong with these people?
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Really-From: 'Set Sutekh, via Steven Feldman'
Folks,
In case anyone's forgotten, this Set fellow is one of those Web
folk who reads the TD Guestbook posts, but is not subscribed to the
tadream list (I don't think he even looks at archived postings via the
reference.com list archive site ). On
top of that, he is not only the only person subscribed to the KEEP
Mailing List, but the one person who saw the 1984 KEEP release not
only once, or twice, or three times, but many times over the course
of a week! (That makes him the Granddaddy of all the KEEP album
witnesses!)
Here is Set's reaction to my 'To the 1984 KEEP LP Naysayers: Piss
Off' post:
-- Steven Feldman
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From: 'Set Sutekh'
To: ar402004@b...
Subject: What's wrong with these people?
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:07:27 PDT
Through my years I have encountered many variations in character and
personality but I have also discovered that, even though it is
generalization, you can somewhat accurately class people into two
distinct groups on various issues.
In the case of subjects like 'the existance of an accidental release of
the Keep Sountrack' there are two camps, each with extremes moving
towards middle ground: 1A) Those who saw it and know it exists, 1B)
Those who never saw it but admit to the possiblity of its existance
(based on their knowledge of the unreliable and mistake ridden world of
music production), 2B) Those who never saw it and believe that it most
likely did not exist (based on lack of solid proof), 2A) Those who
agressively (and often insultingly) 'know' it did not exist (even though
they have as little 'proof' as those who did see it.
Since we are left with no hard evidence as to its existance, but the six
of us have seen it and know what we saw, we are left with finding an
explanation to counter the overwhelming pull of the statements of the
actual band (Tangerine Dream) and the acutal record company.
In the band's case it is very easy to come to the conclusion, base on
many many previous examples, that the band itself doesn't necissarily
know anything whatsoever about the manufacturing side of their music
releases. Many bands in the past have been illegally ripped off by both
record companies and record/cassette/cd manufactures. This isn't
arguable, it's fact.
In the record companies case it is very easy to come to the conclusion
that they are going to put their 'best face forward' and not let
anything like 'truth' or facts get in the way. Many record companies in
the past have either straight out stolen money from bands or released
products without the bands knowledge and/or permission. This isn't
arguable, it's fact.
In the manufacturers case it is very easy to come to the conclusion that
they are going to cover up any mistakes or wrong doing to save
themselves from criminal prosecution or civil lawsuits. Many times in
the past manufacturers have pressed say 150,000 albums when they were
commissioned to produce 100,000 and sold the other 50,000 out the back
door. For the third time, this isn't arguable, it's fact.
The music business, like any business, is full to the brim with
corruption, greed, mismanagement, huge mistakes, misrepresentation,
coverups, illegal activities, etc. because it is full of people, and
where there are people there is also negativity.
(Please note that I am aware that in recent times the level of
corruption in record companies, with the exception of several rap
labels, has reduced drastically, and I am also aware that where there
are people there is also postivity.)
With those three facts in hand, 1) Bands' ignorance to the activities of
record companies and manufacturers, 2) Record companies corruption and
misrepresentation, 3) Manufacturers corruption and mistakes, it is also
very easy to produce a convincing argument for the 'possible' (for you
naysayers, I say possible since I have not hard proof), possible
existance of an unsanctioned, accidental release of the soundtrack to
The Keep despite the legal tangle the band and the record company
encountered.
It is also very easy to produce a convincing argument that this
accidental, unsanctioned release was then very quickly recalled from
record stores and subsequently the mistake was covered up by either the
manufacturer and/or the record company without any knowledge by the
band.
My conclusion is that I wonder why this is so difficult for these few
agressive naysayers to digest. Is it because they simply enjoy getting
people riled up? Is it because they have some bizzarre religion which
prevents them from admitting that the 'possiblity' exists? Or is it
because they don't have the intellectual capacity to understand that the
'possiblity' exists.
I, personally, know it exists/existed because I saw it, and touched it,
and examined it, over about a week or so, and longed for it all the
while, and picked it up every time I went into that record store.
But all I propose to these agressive naysayers is that they open their
minds and realize that it is entirely 'possible' that it existed.
All I can hope for in the future is that the Re-release is finally
released in mass quantities so I can listen to the damn music. (And that
the TDI page gets off its lazy ass and updates its information more
often than once every 4 damn months!) Or, that they release The Keep on
DVD with an isolated soundtrack (like Beetlejuice) so that we can have
the original score that appeared in the movie, the score we Keep
fanatics love, and not some bizzare version released by the band because
'they know what's best'.
I'm getting impatient with the constant negitivity aimed towards Steve
and the rest of us eyewitnesses. Perhaps this is the mission of the
naysayers, to feel validated by making other people angry. But either
way it pisses me off.
Thanks,
Sutekh
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>Date: Sat, 27 Jun 98 15:28:58 EDT
>From: 'Set Sutekh, via Steven Feldman'
>Subject: [Re KEEP Naysayers:] What's wrong with these people?
>To: Tangerine Dream mailing list
>
>Folks,
> In case anyone's forgotten, this Set fellow [. . .]
>is not only the only person subscribed to the KEEP
>Mailing List, but the one person who saw the 1984 KEEP release not
>only once, or twice, or three times, but many times [. . .]
Whoops! Serious typo! I meant to type . . .
In case anyone's forgotten, this Set fellow [. . .]
is not only the only person subscribed to the KEEP Mailing List who is
not also subscribed to the tadream list , but the
one person who saw the 1984 KEEP release not only once, or twice, or
three times, but many times [. . .]
-- Steven Feldman
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Excellent report, Michael; thank you for taking time to do this. I hope
more on the list will continue to respond and add to your list. Assuming you
want to keep on with it that is. 8-) Dell
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At 02:10 AM 6/27/1998 -0500, Martyn wrote:
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>Does anyone have the E-mail address of Music Boulevard?
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Subject: Re: To the 1984 KEEP LP Naysayers: Piss Off
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>Really-From: Steven Feldman
>>[. . .] But just to calm everyone's nerves, it doesn't exist. [. . .]
> Now that not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, but *six*
>people on the Internet have attested to having seen a commercial (as
>opposed to 'official,' for you nitpickers out there) release of THE KEEP
>soundtrack in 1984 (five saw the LP, one saw the cassette, and one is
>mistakenly remembering 1984 as 1983), I think it's well past time to
>reevaluate such coy dismissals.
Not! Hey, what about that 8-track release I saw posted on the Net? Just kidding.
Well, maybe when 50 or 100 or 300 claim to have seen it (and didn't have the
money to buy it) then I'll finally believe it ;-) At that point you can
have a public roast of me and I'll post a picture on my homepage website of
me holding THAT KEEP LP or a list of those who saw it but didn't have 5
bucks on them at the time.
Remember one important thing Steven: I'm having fun - YOU need to RELAX!
Can't Wait for that picture!
Vic
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: KEEP CD-R Tracks 6-8, 10 & 13 vs. KEEP LD & Video
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Folks,
I'm trying to isolate what the differences are between the Blue
Moon boot and the COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP CD-R, and so far, have
narrowed it down to just five tracks. They are:
6. Leave Taking (1:22) - from movie? Appears on no other CD
7. Crossing Saver (4:02) - the 1st part of the Moorland variant in the movie.
cf Blue Moon #14/The Keep 'Mid Theme' (remix) 1:50
8. Gloria (1:42) - movie vers. No counterpart on TDI, BM, LOGOS, or LOGOS TY
10. Terrible (5:42) - from the movie. Starts like Flying Kamikaze (KAMIKAZE
1989 track #10), then is like the Logos Pt. II opening
13. The Keep Theme (3:57) - Blue Moon #15/The Keep 'End Theme' (remix) 2:22
For those of you who have the COMPLETE WORKS OF THE KEEP CD-R, or--like
me--some sort of facsimilie thereof--and also have a copy of the laserdisk
or videotape (or a copy taped off TV), could you please tell me . . .
Is there a difference between the music in the five tracks listed above
and the corresponding parts of the movie wherein such music is heard? In
other words, were the five tracks above taped directly from the movie, or
not?
-- Steven Feldman
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>Well, maybe when 50 or 100 or 300 claim to have seen it (and didn't
>have the money to buy it) then I'll finally believe it ;-) At that
>point you can have a public roast of me and I'll post a picture on >my
homepage website of me holding THAT KEEP LP or a list of those >who saw
it but didn't have 5 bucks on them at the time.
Not that it's terribly important, but I suppose their are those of you
who were too young to know.
A) At the time (1984) the (import) record was not $5.00, it was in fact
$16.99.
B) $16.99, at that time was worth (at least to me), the equivalent of
about $100 today.
C) I rarely walk around with $100 today.
D) The ATM machines, which today litter every street corner and network
every bank and grocery store,
a) Were few and far between at the time, and
b} Not yet networked together, so that customers of banks
other than Citibank had to walk to their bank anyway.
and added for me, perhaps not the others:
E) I didn't have a credit card at the time.
I also expected the album to be there the next day. The number of TD
fans in NY at the time was not threatening. Everyone else was waiting
for some Michael Jackson album, or something.
I do remember the time in the seventies, when I was browsing through
Free Being Records, on Second Avenue in the East Village, NY, and found
a Beatles' Yesterday and Today Album with the Trunk cover, but which had
the hint of a shadow of a V-neck to the right of the trunk. I didn't
have the $2.00 for the used album that day either, but I had the
presence of mind to hide it among 'Cowsills' albums. The following day,
after being abused by a wino for sitting out on the sidewalk, I managed
to retrieve that record, which is still in my possession. Against
collector recommendation, I carefully, and very successfully steamed of
the Trunk cover, so that I can display the 'Butcher cover'.
Socrates' Phos album slipped through my fingers at Titus Oaks' Records
in Brooklyn, where I also lost out years earlier on 'An Interview with
Duane Allman' on Capricorn Records. Things like this happen. I don't
let it bother me. By the way, Phos does exist, and so did the Duane
Allman Interview.
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Greetings all-
This is the review of the track that I wrote for Voyager late last year.
Hope you enjoy it! Well, most of you anyway...;)
=====================
Voxel Ux (1996) 11:59
=====================
For those of you who read the end of the book first, as well as those who
still live in the '70's (or '80's for that matter!) allow me to jump
straight to the end and give you the bottom line: _Melrose_, _Quinoa_ and
_220 Volt Live_.
[Now that they're gone, I'll get on with it!] This song is a very unique
part of Tangerine Dream's oevure. Not the for the music itself, mind you,
but rather the circumstances surrounding it. A twelve minute song that was
meant only for the ears of twelve fans who were part of a contest sponsored
by the band on their website. For a more detailed examination of those
events, please see Voyager issue 16/17 Vol. 1, pps.32-34, as well as the
official TD website.
The song itself is quite interesting, yet simple, both in style and
content. Stylistically, 'Voxel Ux' fits into the early nineties catalog
quite snugly. There are hints and elements of _Melrose_, _Quinoa_ and _220
Volt Live_ to be found here within it's thematic structure and sound
textures. In fact, this song would be a great companion piece to 'Quinoa'
on that eponymous CD...hmmmmm...the original TDIFC announcement about the
special Fanclub CD said there was to be over *40* minutes of exclusive
music on it! Let's see now: 28:30 for 'Quinoa' plus 11:59 for 'Voxel Ux'...
Anyhow, 'Voxel Ux' contains two distinct yet complimentary sections. For
the first section, the instrumentation is simple, the tempo leisurly and
the arrangement airy, but it still manages to draw you into it's spell.
It's a rather formal sounding affair which manages to imply the start of a
journey filled with intrigue and mystery. I'm travelling on the Orient
Express to make a clandestine rendezvous with a beautiful double agent
(well..this is *my* fantasy..er, review, after all!) Among the passengers
are agents who are hunting the both of us. Upon making contact at the
station in Istanbul, we are discovered and the chase begins! And just like
a good mystery, it has a couple of 'plot twists': twice during the first
section it seems ready to launch into a new direction, only to return
instead to the theme. But since they point to the third change, which leads
into the second section, I don't linger long at these forks in the road.
Much like 'Quinoa', we start off softly on soothing strings, with a
recorder-esque patch providing a sort of wistful aire. To this is added
piano and marimba ostinato patterns, which are then joined by breathy
synths, string pad stabs, synth bass stings and a shakuhachi-like phrase,
all building a very dramatic and tense atmosphere...which then dissipates
when the stabs and stings abruptly give way to the marimba, strings and
synths joined now by hi-hat and a sampled acoustic guitar playing a simple
melody! This is the actual theme for this section and is also what imparts
the sense of the journey. Soon we encounter another seeming thematic
change, as the marimba stops and the shakuhachi returns with a new short
theme over the strings and synths, which just as suddenly returns to the
main theme...and then the synth bass returns with the breathy synths over a
rapid, stuttering tempo change. And just as it builds into what seems to be
the next theme...it, too, dissipates back into the main theme! After
another :30, the first section ends, gracefully returning to the soothing
strings and synths that opened the song, but only briefly, as the third
time's the charm for thematic changes! A different bass patch appears along
with the recorder patch sharing similar ostinato patterns, which is joined
by another synth-lead sketching out a shifting sequence which signals the
end of the journey, but not the intrigue. This bridge has elements of all
the previous feints and reminds one of the bridges in _220 Volt_. You also
sense that this time, something is going to happen. And it does.
The second section is where the plot thickens. Like the first section, the
instrumentation and arrangement are simple and airy. Unlike the first
section, however, the pace is insistent, which has everything to do with
the sequence and percussion which have been added to the mix! This section
is very reminiscent of the last 5:00 of 'Quinoa', or even 'One night in
Medina', in it's slight eastern flavor. And just for good measure, there is
a touch of 'Melrose' in it's texture. As the bridge section draws to a
close, a new plucked-synth ostinato pattern comes in amongst dark, breathy
synths, phase-shifting pads, strings and now percussion (which is very
similar to 'Two Bunch Palms', in fact.) This all comes together to provide
a propulsive bed for another simple melody, this time using a tack-piano
patch, over gradually ascending string pads. This soon comes to a seemingly
abrupt end with a piano chord signaling a new direction, with
just the string bed and piano at first carrying the sequence and a new
melodic phrase, while the percussion pattern shifts as well. The tack-piano
rejoins the sequence now, along with a bassy synth-marimba patch providing
yet another melodic theme, with another filter-swept synth-pad for effect.
This segment, I feel, serves as the theme for this section, if not the
entire disc. It has that sort of cinematic feel to it, like main/end titles
music of some sort. It then returns to the previous section for another
run, which as before, soon brings us back to the main theme. The last four
measures repeat once, and then it ends sharply.
Overall, then, 'Voxel Ux' is a very satisfying travelougue by the visionary
pioneers of this genre. This is also a great song to listen to while you
are riding your bicycle! And, of course, if you happen to find yourself on
a train to Istanbul...
[P.S: For those who are curious: a 'Voxel' is a three-dimensional pixel;
'Ux' is the French pronounciation of 'ox'! Badump-bump.]
(c)(p) Hermes Guzman 1998
(c)(p) goozer 1998
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Hello, Tadreamers,
Does anyone know a European on-line store which sells individual ;-) items from
DD ?
Thanx in advance...
Fred
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You can also try : www.musicblvd.com
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Any chance of getting this same list with all the e-mail addresses
attached???
Great list by the way!
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I think it might have been THE SWITCH with CRAIG T.NELSON from COACH in it.I
remember watching it knowing it had TD music in it.The soundtrack was supposed
to be released but as usual it wasn't.Hope this helps.
>RICK
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Just wondering if there is anyone from the US that has received their box set
yet or am I the only one from the states who ordered it.
>RICK
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>Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan'
>Not that it's terribly important, but I suppose their are those of you
>who were too young to know.
>
>A) At the time (1984) the (import) record was not $5.00, it was in fact
>$16.99.
I didn't realize that THE KEEP was also released as an import? BTW, I wasn't
born yesterday either. I have too believed things in my life that were not
true, so no big deal. The burden lies on all of these witnesses to produce
the evidence.
I'm not trying to insult anyone on the topic of this myth about The Keep LP.
I want to Keep the topic even-sided so Steven doesn't convince everyone to
believe something when there is no proof. (Dave Datta is cringing now ;-) I
speak to this because I did some research on this topic and I will defend it.
Some gather data from various sources and then claim since they have so much
data that the sum of the data must amount to a fact. One even said that a
court of law would conclude (maybe I mean confirm) this. So after 7 years
or so of posting maybe we will all admit that this LP exists and it will be
concluded in a US (only) court that this LP exists by circumstantial
evidence. And this will lead to the proof that UFOs exist because one was
shaped as a vinyl disc and had a Virgin logo on it.... And I will tell
everyone for the rest of my life that it was I NOT Steven that knew for sure
that this LP existed. Do you want me to continue.....?
Anyway, I'm getting married in 10 hours so I guess I should start to figure
out which TD to play at the reception.
Kiev Mission? :-)
Vic
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Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
I just got done watching the JMJ Oxygen in Moscow show
on PBS. And I have to say that a concert put on by JMJ is better than any
concert foootage I have ever seen of TD.
If you get a chance to see the show it is a definte must see.
JMJ has many visual effects and lasers which may have been tied into the
keyboard synths. (he places his hands over the laser light and you get
sound) He may have had someone in back of him do the keyboards....I am not
sure.
He also had a box with a metal rod sticking vertiaclly out of the top
and another piece bent like a key in the right hand side. This thing
appearred to work like the air-synth I have seen on some other shows on
instruments. You move your hand close to it and the sound varies by how
close you are to the rods.
There were also some very large puppets and lots of pyrotechnics.
Granted, the show was outside but he could have done most everything he did
in the show, inside.
I was very impressed with the show and I may make a CD of the show if
time permits. Let me know if any of you would like a CD of the show and
what you could offer in trade and I will see if I can put the project
together.
For those of you who have the Tommyknockers CD, you
know the quality that can be turned out.
THE HIGHLANDER
P.S. I still have a copy of the Tommyknockers by Franke left and an extra
copy of Perry Rhodan: Pax Terra.
Make me an offer....the best offer will take it
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At 02:36 AM 6/28/1998 -0400, Robert Grabowski wrote:
> I just got done watching the JMJ Oxygen in Moscow show
>on PBS. And I have to say that a concert put on by JMJ is better than any
>concert foootage I have ever seen of TD.
[.........]
Can you see TD giving a FREE concert to which millions come to listen and
watch?
Oh, BTW, you forgot to mention that the music is nothing to sneer at
either. Yes? :-) The 1995 'Concert Pour La Tolerance' is floating out there
(boot). If you see it, get it. It's wonderful.
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Hi tadreamers,
>I thank everybody for the support. Maybe there are more lurkers...
Here's my personal data (a bit too late as usual !):
Name: Wouter Bessels
City: Hoogkarspel (The Netherlands)
e-mail: int1217@m...
first TD-exposure: Lily on the Beach (got it from a former Maths teacher !)
fave TD-albums: Ricochet, Force Majeure, Hyperborea, Poland, Underwater
Sunlight, Lily on the Beach, Goblins Club
fave TD-soundtracks: Shy People, Wavelength, The Keep, Oasis
first TD concert: Brussels 1997 + Amsterdam 1997
fave solo-album: Wuivend Riet, Macula Transfer, Pinnacles, KLEMania
I like almost all kinds of music, but, apart from TD, I listen to a lot by
Pink Floyd, The Orb, Porcupine Tree and Focus (with guitarist Jan
Akkerman....anyone remembering him ??)
Best wishes,
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For those who were asking about the tapes, they are up for auction now
at the following URL:
eBay item 19188415 (Ends 07/05/98 02:54:55 PDT) - Tangerine Dream Video
Tape Collection
Address:http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=19188415
Hope these will go to somebody who will enjoy them!
Thanks for taking the time to read this,
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> Really-From: Vic Rek
>
> Anyway, I'm getting married in 10 hours so I guess I should start
> to figure
> out which TD to play at the reception.
>
> Kiev Mission? :-)
Congratulations Vic (and Natascha)!!
TD music at a wedding. I often thought about this but I'm not sure
if I want that.
But Kiev Mission would be very appropiate :-)
On my wedding (whenever thats going to happen) it's probably A'dam Eve. :-)
Say hi to Nat
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i only have it from the less......but all of you feel free to send
it......
M.
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> Any chance of getting this same list with all the e-mail addresses
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> Great list by the way!
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> - Matt
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sure, i'll do that!!
greetings Michael
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> Excellent report, Michael; thank you for taking time to do this. I hope
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I think it might have been THE SWITCH with CRAIG T.NELSON from COACH in
it.I remember watching it knowing it had TD music in it.The soundtrack
was supposed to be released but as usual it wasn't.Hope this helps.
>RICK
Thanks, that's the one! While trying to remember, all I could come up
with was 'The Button', but couldn't remember what the story was about.
As I remember now, the 'switch' was a cutoff switch for his life
support.
I remember enjoying the music through the movie, but wasn't necessarily
watching the movie. I probably should have taped it, but couldn't
justify the video tape on Craig T Nelson.
JJ
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Just wondering if there is anyone from the US that has received their
box set
yet or am I the only one from the states who ordered it.
>RICK
I ordered it on the first day (the evening before the announced date
from our perspective, due to the time difference), and I haven't
received it either. Of course I didn't request expedited shipping, and
we are overseas, so it should take some time. I'd expect 4-6 weeks from
the shipping date, which they indicated would be June 18, subject to
receipt of payment. I paid by USIPMO. I don't know how long it takes
for the US Post Office to forward the payment.
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>Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan'
>Not that it's terribly important, but I suppose their are those of you
who were too young to know.
>
A) At the time (1984) the (import) record was not $5.00, it was in fact
$16.99.
>I didn't realize that THE KEEP was also released as an import? BTW, >I
wasn't born yesterday either. I have too believed things in my >life
that were not true, so no big deal. The burden lies on all of >these
witnesses to produce the evidence.
Are you saying that people saw a domestic release?
By the way, I was not trying to insult, or single out anyone. I figure
if we're going to rant & rave, some of the younger bystanders should
have some level of perspective. Time changes things rapidly. We as
humans have a tendency to judge out of their original context.
>One even said that a court of law would conclude (maybe I mean
>confirm) this. So after 7 years or so of posting maybe we will all
>admit that this LP exists and it will be concluded in a US (only)
>court that this LP exists by circumstantial evidence.
Courts of law judge not truth, but only evidential matter. They can
make inferences, but not know.
>Anyway, I'm getting married in 10 hours so I guess I should start to
>figure out which TD to play at the reception.
>Kiev Mission? :-)
>Vic
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Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
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Subject: Cities
Hallo,
You may add another country to the list: Poland.
I live in the city of Lublin, the greatest in the eastern part of Poland (some 400,000 citizens). Two universities, medical academy (of which I am a graduate), some industry. Just three (more or less) serious music shops with at most 10 TD albums to be had and naturally none of its members (excepting Schulze). TD never played here. A desert. Most of the records I bought in Warsaw. All of the boots I got from abroad.
BTW: am I really the only one from Poland or even from behind the former Eastern block? Seems so strange to me I went out of the lurk.
Marek The Alienist
NP: Washington '77 on CDR. Good stuff, man.
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Subject: Oasis
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Hello dreamers,
I lost my copy of Oasis Video. Anyone knows where I can buy another
copy at this time???
Richard Bilek, Praha, Czech Republic
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>Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
>
> I just got done watching the JMJ Oxygen in Moscow show
>on PBS. And I have to say that a concert put on by JMJ is better than any
>concert foootage I have ever seen of TD.
> If you get a chance to see the show it is a definte must see.
> JMJ has many visual effects and lasers which may have been tied into the
>keyboard synths. (he places his hands over the laser light and you get
>sound) He may have had someone in back of him do the keyboards....I am not
>sure.
> He also had a box with a metal rod sticking vertiaclly out of the top
>and another piece bent like a key in the right hand side. This thing
>appearred to work like the air-synth I have seen on some other shows on
>instruments. You move your hand close to it and the sound varies by how
>close you are to the rods.
Ah yes....but I consider all this gimmicry - JMJ plays to the masses -
and has considerable financial backing from various organisations to put
on these huge 'events' which are attended by tens of thousands of people
who go to see an event rather than emerse themselves in the music . I have
seen TD concerts in all the UK tours since 1978.........and although I
haven't seen any JMJ live events - I know which I prefer - both musically
and visually. The TD concerts are intimate - I have never been
disappointed with their light shows - especially the 1981 (Logos) and 1986
shows when they used projected lights (1981) and images(1986) on a circular
screen - bit like Pink Floyd.
The whole thing comes as a package - give me TD any day over JMJ!!
Ash
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Hi...
Did anybody happen to watch Denmark play against Nigeria
in the World Cup tonight?
;-) :-) ;-)
Kent, Denmark
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>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>>At 02:36 AM 6/28/1998 -0400, Robert Grabowski wrote:
>>
>> I just got done watching the JMJ Oxygen in Moscow show
>>on PBS. And I have to say that a concert put on by JMJ is better than any
>>concert foootage I have ever seen of TD.
>[.........]
>
>Can you see TD giving a FREE concert to which millions come to listen and
>watch?
>
>Oh, BTW, you forgot to mention that the music is nothing to sneer at
>either. Yes? :-) The 1995 'Concert Pour La Tolerance' is floating out there
>(boot). If you see it, get it. It's wonderful.
Well only about 8000 or so showed up at the free concert they did in Dallas
during the Optical Race tour...
And as for JMJ's concerts...well...he's a great entertainer, I'll grant
you. And I like his music for the most part, too. But he plays as many real
notes during one of his shows as Chris Franke did during his celebrated
London Concert in '91 (i.e: not very many.) That's why you see five or six
other musicians on stage with him. They're the ones who are actually
playing. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as you enjoy the
performance...
Except when TD does it, of course. Right? ;)
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>Just wondering if there is anyone from the US that has received their box set
>yet or am I the only one from the states who ordered it.
I expect mine within a week or so...;)
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Really-From: 'ashok prema'
Really-From: Robert Grabowsky
JMJ has many visual effects and lasers which may have been tied into
the keyboard synths. (he places his hands over the laser light and you
get sound) He may have had someone in back of him do the keyboards....I
am not sure.
He also had a box with a metal rod sticking vertiaclly out of the top
and another piece bent like a key in the right hand side. This thing
appearred to work like the air-synth I have seen on some other shows on
instruments. You move your hand close to it and the sound varies by how
close you are to the rods.
I have
seen TD concerts in all the UK tours since 1978.........and although I
haven't seen any JMJ live events - I know which I prefer - both
musically and visually. The whole thing comes as a package - give me TD
any day over JMJ!!
Ash
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Truly, TD events lack for nothing. Although I like JMJ, and would have
liked to have seen some of his concerts, particularly Houston, I would
not trade the opportunity for a TD Concert.
I can not imagine the tape of a 'spectacle' concert to be as satisfying
as the tape of a TD concert. Primarily because the scope of the
spectacle is lost on a restrictive screen.
Speaking of spectacles, I did say that I would mention the Isao Tomita
concert 'Back to New York' performed in New York City's Battery Park. I
have mentioned to some my horrible recollection of dates, but I think it
was Sept 11, 1986. (Sept is correct; it was either the day before or
after my birthday, Sept 12 and 1986 would place it two years after the
Linz concert, which seems right).
Yes, he had lasers, projected on the clouds above. He had co-ordinated
fireworks, launched form three separate barges floating in the river,
the main one near the Statue of Liberty. He had Speakers behind the
audience at the perimeter of the park, (four banks). He had speakers in
front of the audience at the waterfront (right and left banks). He had
speakers on barges 150 ft beyond the waterfront (also right and left).
At one point, when he performs the 'Close Encounter of the Third Kind'
music (where the scientists attempt to communicate with the alien ship
in the landing field with music), he even has a helicopter fly overhead
with a suspended speaker to play the alien spaceship's part. At several
points during the show, guest soloists sail in on small boats, perform
from the boat, then depart. The Staten Island Ferry was used to house a
choir, which sailed by singing the 'Ode to Joy' as Tomita played
Beethoven's 9th Sym, Movement 4. It was quite enjoyable, a marvelous
birthday present, and I wish I had the performance in the proper four
channel surround mode. But I'm sure that a VideoTape could not properly
capture the Grand Spectacle.
For those few of you unfamiliar with Tomita, imagine a TD concert with
only covers of Classical / Romantic works, like they did with 'Pictures
at an Exposition', 'Largo', etc. I also like Tomita's work, so it was
enjoyable musically as well.
If anyone was at the Linz concert, I would like to hear about it. Also,
he was supposed to perform at Victoria Falls. I have wondered if that
ever took place.
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>Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:16:16 -0400 (EDT) you said:
>Subject: Re: To the 1984 KEEP LP Naysayers: Piss Off
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>>Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan'
>
>>Not that it's terribly important, but I suppose their are those of you
>>who were too young to know.
>
>I didn't realize that THE KEEP was also released as an import? [. . .]
The first time I was told it was a German import in the first place
was between 1985 and 1987--from the very same person from whom I first
learned about the factory recall scenario. He was a history teacher who
liked ethnomucicological works and (used to) like Tangerine Dream.
>[. . .] BTW, I wasn't born yesterday [. . .]
Okay, so you were born two days ago. Big deal.
>[. . .] I have too believed things in my life that were not true, so
>no big deal. [. . .]
What? You had a childhood and adolescence, too! Same here! Wow!
>[. . .] The burden lies on all of these witnesses to produce the
>evidence.
The only thing that makes it a *burden* is commentary like yours.
>I'm not trying to insult anyone on the topic of this myth about The
>Keep LP.
No? It sure seems that way. If a Catholic told this list that he
had once had a vision of the Madonna, would you hammer away at him about
how you thought he was full of it?
>I want to Keep the topic even-sided so Steven doesn't convince everyone
>to believe something when there is no proof. [. . .]
Once again: with six testimonials, I would start doubting your
smug and self-righteous disbelief (now, *there's* an oxymoron for the
ages!) if I were you.
>[. . .] I speak to this because I did some research on this topic and
>I will defend it.
You sound like an old swing enthusiast who tells a heavy metal
head banger, 'I was a real hoofer in my day! How dare you tell me that
I don't know how kids feel about loud music!'
So, you called a few officials who had a reason to bluster you with
plausible denial and they blew you off accordingly. Sounds to me like a
case of someone (i.e. you) believing something because he wanted to
believe it. What makes you think that some corporate flunky's flippant
remark has any more weight than six of your peers (i.e. the subscribers
on this list)?
Hey, I did some research -- for a term paper for a graduate school
*class* on research, writing research proposals, and research
techniques -- which took me weeks to complete, but by the time I had
gotten some materials that had taken a long while to arrive via
interlibrary loan, I soon discovered that my research -- due to lack of
key data -- was woefully inadequate -- and that work that I had thought
was pretty damned good was naive at best. The work that I put into
this class took *much* longer to complete than the inquiries you made
re THE KEEP. I don't stand by the work I did for that paper in light
of what I learned from skimming the books that came on interlibrary
loan, so what makes you so confident and self-satisfied about contacting
a few company flaks?
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At 10:37 PM 6/28/1998 +0200, Marek wrote:
[............]
BTW: am I really the only one from Poland or even from behind the former
Eastern block? Seems so strange to me I went out of the lurk.
[..........]
No, Marek...there are people on this list from: Romania, Hungary, Russia,
Yugoslavia, and now (Natasha proxied by Vic) from Ukraine. Maybe even the
occasional Czech or Slovak. None from Albania, Slovenia, Croatia, or
Bulgaria. Although I hear that the Bulgarians are heavily into bootlegging.
One person from Hong Kong, but I don't think of Hong King as being behind
the Iron (Bamboo) Curtain (right, Jeffrey?). And I think there is at least
one other fellow from Poland.
Na razie,
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At 12:11 AM 6/29/1998 +0200, Kent wrote:
>
>Did anybody happen to watch Denmark play against Nigeria
>in the World Cup tonight?
>
>;-) :-) ;-)
It was truly a spectacle. Congratulations! Here in USA we like it when the
team that is not favored wins. :-)
The American commentator mentioned that while the Danish supporters are
very enthusiastic, they are very civilized, not hooligans. Congratulations
for that, too.
(We better quit this thread, before somebody gets their panties in a wad)
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Wouter Bessels wrote:
<<
I like almost all kinds of music, but, apart from TD, I listen to a lot by
Pink Floyd, The Orb, Porcupine Tree and Focus (with guitarist Jan
Akkerman....anyone remembering him ??)
>>
Vividly.
I still think Moving Waves rocks! There is a lot of stuff I heard before
I really got into TD which still stands the test of time, e.g. Wishbone Ash's
Argus, early Wakeman, Sgt Pepper, anything by Gryphon ...
Steve.
np: Hocus pocus (very LOUDLY!)
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>And as for JMJ's concerts...well...he's a great entertainer, I'll grant
>you. And I like his music for the most part, too. But he plays as many
>real notes during one of his shows as Chris Franke did during his
>celebrated London Concert in '91 (i.e: not very many.) That's why you see five
or six
>other musicians on stage with him. They're the ones who are actually
>playing. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as you enjoy the
>performance...
>Except when TD does it, of course. Right? ;)
>goozer
- ---------------------------------------------------
Sorry, but I don't agree. I was at the Wembley concert last June. When
JMJ played Oxygene 13 as his last number he played every note live, even
the odd wrong one! OK there was some backing, which may or may not have
been pre-recorded, but he played his bit live, as he had done through
the whole concert.
The reason that there are 4-5 other musicians with him is that all the
music you hear is live. He could not possibly play everything, the music
is too complicated. This is the excuse TD give for producing a
MIDI-concert. Maybe they should go on stage with 15 keyboardists to
produce a truely live gig?
Many years ago I read an interview with JMJ when he said that he would
never tour, as it would be 'like asking Stanley Kubrick to produce
2001:A Space Oddesy on stage!' Well he has, but only by taking others
along with him.
BTW, the 'box with aerials' that someone mentioned is a Theremin, which
he certainly played live, along with a whole host of old analogue synths
which were built before MIDI came along. There was even live, edited
video taken from a camera on his glasses! He is a true showman, his
concerts are quite spectacular, but I agree that the TD gigs are much
more involving and the lighting and effects can be just as enjoyable. As
for the 'liveness' of the music......
Regards,
Daniel
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> Really-From: Steven Feldman
> Okay, so you were born two days ago. Big deal.
> What? You had a childhood and adolescence, too! Same here! Wow!
> The only thing that makes it a *burden* is commentary like yours.
I really didn't realize how obsessed you are about this. Are you going
to analyze and break apart every sentence I write in this e-mail too?
Are you starting to feel a little challenged here that you have to reply
with the above remarks? I think you can handle it though. I'm sure
you've put many 'Naysayers' in their place before ;-)
I will happily tell everyone 'THE KEEP LP EXISTS' after someone produces
a copy. But until then, I say 'IT DOESN'T EXIST'. Too bad you have a
big problem with this. I have a right to have an opinion just like you,
so take a chill pill.
Vic
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On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: Michael Schuelke
>
>
> Gabe Yedid QUEBEC (CANADA)
Uh...this should be Montreal...
I can understand a Yank not paying attention to Canadian geography...;)
but a Euro?
> Michael Schülke
> braveheart@a...
Gabe
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Really-From: Gabe Yedid
Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Lived here all my life and firt
heard TD here
too--but still haven't seen them live :(
Gabe
pleazze pleazze forgive me.......... i almost read 100 replys... but
i'll improve my geography!
regards M.
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On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
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>
> Gabe Yedid
QUEBEC (CANADA)
Uh...this should be Montreal...
I can understand a Yank not paying attention to Canadian geography...;)
but a Euro?
> Michael Schülke
> braveheart@angel.de
Gabe
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Really-From: J.E.Owens@A...
Check out Groove Unlimited at: mcs.nl/groove/cat_us.html
NOTE: you should change the 'us' to the 2 lettter abbreviation for your
country.
(de = germany, nl = netherlands, fr = france, uk= Great Brittain,
etc...)
James
> Really-From: =?us-ascii?Q?Frederic_Yargui?=
>
>
> Hello, Tadreamers,
>
> Does anyone know a European on-line store which sells individual ;-)
> items from DD ?
>
> Thanx in advance...
>
> Fred
>
>
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tadream mailing list wrote: Hi...
> Did anybody happen to watch Denmark play against Nigeria
> in the World Cup tonight?
I did.
Thanks Denmark for avenging us, spaniards.
Francisco
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>Really-From: Francisco Salgado
>
[Kent]
>> Did anybody happen to watch Denmark play against Nigeria
>> in the World Cup tonight?
>
>I did.
>
>Thanks Denmark for avenging us, spaniards.
Well, it's a pity that the spanish team (with an awful lot of most excellent
players)
did not make it into the 2nd round. That's life, Francisco.
Looking forward to Holland vs. Yugoslavia. Certainly Oranje,
the most enjoyable European team so far, will win.
Jens
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Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
For the record, let me state that I believe there _was_ a Keep LP
pressed.
>>[. . .] Nothing was ever pressed. [. . .]
> What makes you think this is so? Six people have attested to the
>fact they held a copy of such an item in their hands. They are
speaking
>from experience and recollection. And what are you speaking from?
>Belief and opinion. You are speaking from belief because you have no
>first-hand experience of it being so--and from opinion because you
>really have little concrete data with which to form a assessment. As I
But Steve, you have no concrete evidence either. You have several
people's opinions, which were probably influenced by each other. If you
have seriously studied UFO & alien sightings, you'll understand how one
sighting influences another, especially in the details. What one person
saw 14 years ago may not have been the official release of the
soundtrack on LP, but something else entirely, but after 14 years and
under the influence of. . . other people who think they may have seen
it, their recollections may not be as precise as they think. For
example: I saw TD for the first time in 1986. I finally got a tape of
the show in about '95 or so. Until then, I could have sworn they did
everything off of Underwater Sunlight. Then I hear the tape (which I
know is real because I can hear my voice on it!) and lo and behold, they
didn't play it all!
>have quoted from Einstein on innumerable occasions, 'Absence of
evidence
>is not evidence of absence.' In short, it is as hard to prove the non-
>existence of something as it is to prove its existence.
Logically, one cannot _disprove_ anything, therefore, the burden of
proof lies on those who make extraordinary claims. Einstein agreed. Carl
Sagan said (though I believe he paraphrased someone else) that
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
> What is ironic is that badgering such as yours can lead to
>insecurity and self-questioning on the part of those who experienced
>something, while it is all too easy for a disbeliever to convince
Let me correct you: _believe_ they experienced something. But the
badgering can go the other way. I was on a paranormal mailing list for a
while, and once I recalled on the list a dream I had where I was
floating over my body, looking down on it from above. Just a dream,
nothing more. Several people on the list insisted I had an out-of-body
experience. If I was as gullible as they, I'd be going around now
belieiving I had an OBE (out of body experience, not Order of the
British Empire :-). My wife had a dream when she was pregnant with our
first kid that there were little white men around our bed, pointing at
her belly. Again, just a dream, but it just as easily could have been
perceived as real, and those little dudes could have been aliens that
impregnated her as part of an experiment. Of course, that would explain
a lot with my son! :-)
Moral of the story: never believe everything people tell you. One half
is BS, the other is wrong.
> There is a contingent of UFOlogists who argue that if the evidence
>and testimony given as to the reality of the existence of UFOs were to
>be given or applied to any other subject in a court of law, that it
>would stand up as a case in which there was such an overwhelming amount
>of circumstantial evidence that the case would be won. I think that,
>analogously, six witnesses to a pre-1990's KEEP album should suffice.
They must not be lawyers, because without physical evidence, eyewitness
testimony is almost worthless. Read Elizabeth Loftus's book _Eyewitness
Testimony_. You may change your opinion.
But to Steve's defense: I've heard a couple of record store owners say
that it may have been released (reliable, non-biased witnesses) and
Edgar's statements on the Web site sound awfully fishy (like no
explanation as to why there never was a release), so I think the
witnesses' stories are credible, but until someone antes up, we'll never
know.
Sorry for the waste of bandwidth.
Scott
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Subject: Re: JMJ smokes TD concert any day!!!!!!
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
Having seen both play live last year, and both in Manchester,
I'm afraid I must blaspheme, and agree with the obve statement.
Whilst I much prefer the music of TD, (with the possible exception
- certainly for last year's output anyway - of Oxygene 7-13 which
kicks the proverbial ass) old JM sure knows how to put on a show.
> JMJ has many visual effects and lasers which may have been tied into the
> keyboard synths. (he places his hands over the laser light and you get
> sound) He may have had someone in back of him do the keyboards....I am not
>sure.
This is technically possible. Indeed, after seeing him do this at Houston
(1986?)
I performed a similar task (on a much more basic scale) for a science
project.
Whether or not he does actually do this though, I'm still not sure. From
what I see
each beam he breaks does not correspond to a particular note (if you see
what
I mean). I have two possible reasons for this. 1. He is miming, and forgets
which
beam to play for a particular note. or 2. The notes are a pre-stored
sequence,
and with each broken beam, the next note plays, meaning that he just has to
break any beam to get the next note. He just moves left and right for
theatric effect.
> He also had a box with a metal rod sticking vertiaclly out of the top
> and another piece bent like a key in the right hand side. This thing
> appearred to work like the air-synth I have seen on some other shows on
> instruments. You move your hand close to it and the sound varies by how
> close you are to the rods.
This dude is called a Theremin after it's creater Leo Theremin. Must be
70-odd
years old now I think, though best known from it's major use in 50's
B-movies.
(or try Portishead's excellent 'Dummy' album).
> There were also some very large puppets and lots of pyrotechnics.
> Granted, the show was outside but he could have done most everything he
did
> in the show, inside.
Indeed he did, at Manchester Nynex arena.
Lawry
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
> The Keep unlimited special edition on the other hand is the best
> album recently released under the TD banner, all IMO of course...
To be honest, when I bought it, I remember liking it quite a bit, but
after listening to it the other night (for only the third time) I came to
the conclusion that it's very boring. The only notable exception is
the last track (Heritage Survival - by FFS) which is superb. I don't
think I'll be playing this one very much (no... it's still not for sale!).
When the Keep LP resurfaces, for Steve's sake I hope that it has
better stuff on it. Otherwise, he's bound to hang himself. :-)
Lawry
PS -> I've still to found out if Zoning or the Hollywood suckers
> are worser. ;-)
Jens-man... Zoning is one of the most underrated TD album
(along with Optical Race). It's an absolute corker!
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Subject: Hocus Pocus
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> Focus (with guitarist Jan Akkerman....anyone remembering him ??)
Who could forget the classic Hocus Pocus?
I have a pretty good midi file of this track if anyone's interested.
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
> That's why you see five or six
> other musicians on stage with him. They're the ones who are actually
> playing. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as you enjoy the
> performance...
I always think of JMJ as a conductor when I see him live. He directs the
other musicians. I can forgive this though, when I think that he actually
composed it all in the first place. Rather like when a classical composer
creates a masterpiece for an orchestra to play. No-one complains that
he isn't playing it, but 50 odd musicians are taking his place.
At last years gig however, he did seem to take a more active role in the
playing than at any other concert I've seen him in.
Lawry
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
Lawry Simm, proud JP8000 user, said:
>PS -> I've still to found out if Zoning or the Hollywood suckers
> > are worser. ;-)
>
>Jens-man... Zoning is one of the most underrated TD album
>(along with Optical Race). It's an absolute corker!
You prefer Zoning to Oasis then ?
However, after listening to 'Hollywood 1' quite often during the last few days
I must admit that it certainly grows on me (except for the track 'Escape from
shadow land'
(crappy cheap drum sound) and a few others). Well it might turn out to be
a good one in the end, dunno yet. I've tried 'Hollywood 2' also, but
I'm not in the right mood for it - I still don't like it.
Ob: 'Optical Race': I always thought it's not that good, mainly because
of its clean and cheap sound, but after playing the two 'Atlantic' samplers
to my surprise the OR tracks were my favourites. Mmh, I´m getting old, eh ? ;-)
Kind Regards
Jens
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Date: Mon Jun 29, 1998 8:51
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Subject: My Want List
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Really-From: Joel Mullen
Hello-
I want to thank everyone who responded to my last 'want' list.
(You know who you are!!!!) I have a new list now and I am sorry for
the use of bandwidth but my webpage is not done yet and I need to
continue to fill in my collection! Following is a list of the TD I need.
I also need many solo albums, but the list is far too long to post
here. If you have any you want to sell or trade let me know and I
will e-mail you a *complete* want list. (let me know if an Excel
spreadsheet will work for you) I would also be interested if you
have ideas of where I could get them. Please e-mail me OFF-LIST
so I don't waste anymore space on the digesters hard drives!
Tangerine Dream: CD ONLY
Le Parc on Castle EMS only
Poland on Castle EMS only
Live Miles on Castle EMS only
Zeit-Remastered on Castle EMS (preferred) or Sequel
Pergamon-Remastered on Castle EMS (preferred) or Sequel
Underwater Sunlight on Castle EMS (preferred) or Sequel
Tyger on Castle EMS (preferred) or Sequel
Tyger on Relativity
The Tangerine Dream Box (6CD)
Astral Landscapes (double)
The Story of Tangerine Dream (double)
Marekesh CD-5
Optical Race CD-5
Tyranny of Beauty CD-5
Rumpelstiltskin
Tyranny of Beauty on OLD TDI 002CD
Turn of the Tides on OLD TDI 003CD
*whatever* OLD TDI 004CD is
The Keep (1997 Limited Edition) OLD TDI 010CD - Duh!
Ambient Monkeys OLD TDI 011CD
Any Tangerine Dream BOOTLEGS CD or CD-R ONLY
This is what I HAVE (the list is shorter) I am looking for everything ELSE
Antarktis, In Den Garten Pharos, Electronic Orgy, Acoustic LSD,
Ardem 'O', Collected Endings, Me-Rad, Soundtrack for Fantasy,
Dream Tales (CD-R)
Thank you in advance for your (sure to be overwhelming) support,
Joel Mullen
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YES...
Focus was one of my favorite bands back then...
Saw them in concert where I went to school, Northeast Louisiana University of
all places... one of the LOUDEST bands I ever saw 3rd. row 1973
WOW
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
>
> > Focus (with guitarist Jan Akkerman....anyone remembering him ??)
>
> Who could forget the classic Hocus Pocus?
>
All good things come from Holland :-)
Girls, soccer, music......
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
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(just kidding)
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Cat Scan is one of all time favorite TD tracks.
I think Edgar and Paul made a great team.
(though on the whole, I think I liked Lily on the Beach and Destination
Berlin better)
James
> Ob: 'Optical Race': I always thought it's not that good, mainly
> because
> of its clean and cheap sound, but after playing the two 'Atlantic'
> samplers
> to my surprise the OR tracks were my favourites. Mmh, I´m getting old,
> eh ? ;-)
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Jens
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I have another set of TD bootlegs for sale. In this lot are the
following CDs:Danger Live, Sonambulistic Imagery(2 disc set), Antarktis,
Sounds and Effects, and 20th Century Serenades. Shipping will be $5
dollars to a USA street address only please! These are the 'official
bootlegs', not cd recordings of the bootlegs for those who asked the
last time. Good luck!!
INFO:
eBay item 19381187 (Ends 07/06/98 15:45:36 PDT) - Tangerine Dream 6 CD
set Pt. 2
Address:http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=19381187
Thanks for taking the time to read this,
John
Bored? Take a trip to my homepage!!!!!!!
http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/l/a/blazzer891.html
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Really-From: Bennett Cookson
>> think Edgar and Paul made a great team.
I agree! My favorite on OR is 'Sun Gate' and I also
really enjoy Lily on the Beach. What is Destination Berlin like? I
have not heard much about it and it is not widely available. (Although
I saw it listed on www.Amazon.com)
--Bennett
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----Original Message Follows----
Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>They must not be lawyers, because without physical evidence,
>eyewitness testimony is almost worthless.
Interesting. You've just proved that you're no lawyer! If you
presented your cases on physical evidence alone you'ld be starving most
of the time.
In your opinion, I suppose, the American Revolutionary War never
occured. There is really no physical evidence other than stories in
books by purported eye witnesses, and books by others only relying on
purported eye witnesses. Added to that, items which PEOPLE said were
involved in the 'so-called' war.
UFO's almost invariably have never been held in the hand and inspected
by eye-witnesses.
The sighting of a Keep album was interesting, but I'm sure it did not
induce 'mass hysteria' in those surrounding me at the time, nor did it
induce any personal hysteria in me.
That an album in J&R's import aisle, in the section labelled 'Tangerine
Dream', which had printed on the cover 'The Keep' might actually be
something else which was only mistakenly identified as 'The Keep' is an
interesting posit. Perhaps you're right. Maybe it was another
Tangerine Dream album called 'The Keep'. Thanks for clearing this up
for me.
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At 06:47 PM 6/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Really-From: blazzer891@w... (John BLAZZER891)
>
>I have another set of TD bootlegs for sale. In this lot are the
>following CDs:Danger Live, Sonambulistic Imagery(2 disc set), Antarktis,
>Sounds and Effects, and 20th Century Serenades. Shipping will be $5
>dollars to a USA street address only please! These are the 'official
>bootlegs', not cd recordings of the bootlegs for those who asked the
>last time. Good luck!!
This is the reason the price of bootlegs shoots up. Nobody makes CD-R
copies of them. CD-R copies are identical to the originals and can only
help drop the price and hurt the people who collect $40+ for such bootleg
CDs...
-Morgan
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> At 06:47 PM 6/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >Really-From: blazzer891@w... (John BLAZZER891)
> >
> >I have another set of TD bootlegs for sale. In this lot are the
> >following CDs:Danger Live, Sonambulistic Imagery(2 disc set), Antarktis,
> >Sounds and Effects, and 20th Century Serenades. Shipping will be $5
> >dollars to a USA street address only please! These are the 'official
> >bootlegs', not cd recordings of the bootlegs for those who asked the
> >last time. Good luck!!
>
> This is the reason the price of bootlegs shoots up. Nobody makes CD-R
> copies of them. CD-R copies are identical to the originals and can only
> help drop the price and hurt the people who collect $40+ for such bootleg
> CDs...
>
> -Morgan
A CDR is worth every bit as much as the original...IF the original is
hard to obtain in itself. So, for those who whine or cry about a CDR
being the same price as the original, or that CDR's are cheap to buy or
make...remember...it doesn't mean much if you can't get the release any
other way or you can't burn it yourself...does it? In other words, if
there were three copies of a TD CD in existance and someone made a CDR
of it...why shouldn't the CDR be worth as much? Price will come down
eventually as CDR burners become household items anyway.
Dano
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Only one problem.......many cd players will still not play cdrs....until
that changes boot cds are worth more than cdrs imo.
Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions
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> At 06:47 PM 6/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >Really-From: blazzer891@w... (John BLAZZER891)
> >
> >I have another set of TD bootlegs for sale. In this lot are the
> >following CDs:Danger Live, Sonambulistic Imagery(2 disc set), Antarktis,
> >Sounds and Effects, and 20th Century Serenades. Shipping will be $5
> >dollars to a USA street address only please! These are the 'official
> >bootlegs', not cd recordings of the bootlegs for those who asked the
> >last time. Good luck!!
>
> This is the reason the price of bootlegs shoots up. Nobody makes CD-R
> copies of them. CD-R copies are identical to the originals and can only
> help drop the price and hurt the people who collect $40+ for such bootleg
> CDs...
>
> -Morgan
A CDR is worth every bit as much as the original...IF the original is
hard to obtain in itself. So, for those who whine or cry about a CDR
being the same price as the original, or that CDR's are cheap to buy or
make...remember...it doesn't mean much if you can't get the release any
other way or you can't burn it yourself...does it? In other words, if
there were three copies of a TD CD in existance and someone made a CDR
of it...why shouldn't the CDR be worth as much? Price will come down
eventually as CDR burners become household items anyway.
Dano
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>Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan'
Please stop talking rubbish.
Ta in advance
Jens
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Rockoon single (w/ 'Oriental Haze') (I have 2 copies) $6
Dreamtime single CD5 $6
Turn of the Tides CD5 (w/ 'Story of the Brave') $6
Tyranny of Beauty CD5 (w/ 'Quasar' bonus trk) $ 6
Zoning (OST~import) $10
Deadly Care (OST) $7
-----
HOLLE MANGLER Annihilation On Earth $11 (1995~Ardema Music)
(German//upbeat, melodic EMusic)
PEGASUS Individual Isolation $11 (ditto)
Contact me at: upnsm0ke@g...
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Really-From: nospamboretz@p... (Alex Boretz)
> Really-From: Bennett Cookson
>
> What is Destination Berlin like?
> I have not heard much about it...
The synth sound is straight from 'Optical Race' (same Atari gear,
I guess.)
Musically it's not one of T.D's better albums, IMO. I feel that the
themes - weak to begin with - aren't developed or produced very
intricately. Certainly not as well as the songs on 'Opital Race' and
'Lily on the Beach' are.
What you basically have are 'soundtrack' tunes (though not of
the same calibre as 'Sorcerer', 'Thief', 'Wavelength', 'Fire-
Starter'... [insert your favorite T.D. soundtrack album here]...)
The liner notes state that T.D.'s music was used for the (then)
new 360 degree cine-theatre in Berlin. So, perhaps, given
the audience they were aiming at (tourists from the U.S.? ;-)
Edgar and Paul probably decided to 'dummy down' their tunes.
> ...and it is not widely available.
> (Although I saw it listed on www.Amazon.com)
It's also available on www.musicblvd.com
Hope this helps.
-Alex
p.s. Hold 'yer fire Yanks! I'm from the good 'ol
U.S. of A. myself, is why I can poke fun at U.S.
tourists! ;->
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Really-From: 'Greg'
So what is theis wonderful news that the TDI
site has yet to reveal? And why is taking so long?
Any predictions?
Any humorous predictions?
-Did they get X-acto Knife back on the e-guitar for
studio albums?
-Are they creating special edtions of all 90ies material?
-'Swamp Ambience' A video with a musical score by Tangerine
Dream documentintg the major swamps across the world.
-Linda Spa comes back with voice lessons
-TD tours with Cindi Lauper for her come back into fame (try)
That's all I can imagine...
Greg H.
Whatever it be.. I know it will blow my mind.
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Subject: TD Guest book entry.
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Really-From: 'Gibbons, Conrad'
This was just posted to the Tadream Guest book. Just in case it
disappears... (not that that would ever happen!!! ;-)) here it is:
From Heiko Heerssen at Tue, 30/Jun/98 12:51:
Just a few words about the 'Dream dice box'. To release a
12 CD-Set that contains 2 discs with already released music,
and selling it for 500 DM is just unbelievable. I'm really
curious about a reason that justifies that price. To make
it a limited edition with increasing value (hoho) is no
excuse.
I'm the lucky owner of a 25-CD-Set of Klaus Schulze's (old
TD-Fans will know him)'Jubilee Edition'. 25 CDs with a total
playing time of 32+ hours (!!!) of really great, unreleased
music. With it comes a 84-page booklet with comments on
each song. The price: 500 DM ...
Yeah, TDI-Store-folks: We're only in it for the money
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dreamers
my main email access still isn't up and running yet because I'm waiting to
hear from fucking compuserve tech support (it's been about 8 days...
grrrr). at the moment, my c-serve software won't load which means I can't
access any of my previous / archived mail or my tape lists etc. (I can
access cserve on a different computer but I can't access my mail archives)
I would just reload the software but I don't know if that will nuke my mail
archives ... when I get things fixed, I'll let everyone know -- unless
someone else who knows cserve can offer a solution ;-)
I know that I owe replies to a few people but I need to access my other
account first -- so please be patient.... I'm still sending a recieving
stuff by snail mail, so if we had a deal, it's probably in the mail.
again, for emergencies, urgencies, or solutions, you can contact me at this
address.
thanks
lars
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Subject: JMJ vs TD live
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You wrote:
>>Sorry, but I don't agree. I was at the Wembley concert last June. When
JMJ played Oxygene 13 as his last number he played every note live, even
the odd wrong one! OK there was some backing, which may or may not have
been pre-recorded, but he played his bit live, as he had done through
the whole concert.
The reason that there are 4-5 other musicians with him is that all the
music you hear is live. He could not possibly play everything, the music
is too complicated. This is the excuse TD give for producing a
MIDI-concert. Maybe they should go on stage with 15 >>
mmmmmmm - I wonder how much JMJ really plays live........I remember a
journalist telling me that at the London Docklands concert many years ago
there were 4 x 24 track tape recorders away from the
stage............recording? or playback?? who know?
Ash
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At 11:22 PM 6/29/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Only one problem.......many cd players will still not play cdrs....until
>that changes boot cds are worth more than cdrs imo.
Not true. Sounds like you've been experimenting with poor media. The media
I use ABSOLUTELY works (Verbatim Datalifeplus burned at 2x) with every CD
player. Absolutely no exception. (I tried the disc on one of the very first
Toshiba players (it's like 12 years old) and it plays fine.
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At 08:10 AM 6/30/98, you wrote:
>Really-From: Lars Jones
>
>dreamers
>my main email access still isn't up and running yet because I'm waiting to
>hear from fucking compuserve tech support (it's been about 8 days...
>grrrr). at the moment, my c-serve software won't load which means I can't
>access any of my previous / archived mail or my tape lists etc.
At some point, you're going to have to drop Compuserve and get a real
internet provider =)
-Morgan
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>>They must not be lawyers, because without physical evidence,
>>eyewitness testimony is almost worthless.
>Interesting. You've just proved that you're no lawyer! If you
>presented your cases on physical evidence alone you'ld be starving most
>of the time.
True, I'm not a lawyer, but you miss my point. Eyewitness testimony
cannot stand on it's own. Physical evidence CAN, but when supported by
eyewitness testimony, or vice versa, makes a tight case.
>In your opinion, I suppose, the American Revolutionary War never
>occured. There is really no physical evidence other than stories in
>books by purported eye witnesses, and books by others only relying on
>purported eye witnesses. Added to that, items which PEOPLE said were
>involved in the 'so-called' war.
Uh, well, there is the physical evidence of thousands of people who were
killed & wounded, but that argument is absurd. Of course, logically, you
can't prove that it existed, and history is replete with fallacies that
were later changed to reflect more current research. But an event like a
war and whether or not it occurred are usually not the subject of a
debate. Whether General what's-his-name did in fact tell the Americans
to only fire 'when you see the whites of their eyes' at the battle of
Bunker Hill is debateable.
>That an album in J&R's import aisle, in the section labelled 'Tangerine
>Dream', which had printed on the cover 'The Keep' might actually be
>something else which was only mistakenly identified as 'The Keep' is an
>interesting posit. Perhaps you're right. Maybe it was another
>Tangerine Dream album called 'The Keep'. Thanks for clearing this up
>for me.
Well, I haunted record stores in the '80s looking for TD, and was told
it would be coming out soon. I never saw it. Six people say they saw it,
382 -- on this list, mind you -- say they didn't. Where is the album
now? It's never popped up at a record show, in a used vinyl store or at
a garage sale?
But you still have missed my point. I believe you. I believe Steve. I
believe the others. I also believe in UFO's (but not abductions).
There's too much that doesn't add up, like Edgar's vehement denial. The
Communists used to say that those who acted the most loyal to the party
were the ones to kill first. Why hasn't Ed said something like 'Yeah,
there was supposed to be a ST, but it got held up because of the
different copyright ownerships and so it couldn't get released,' rather
than saying you're delusional? THAT, to me, is the biggest evidence that
there is more to the Keep LP story than the official sources say.
There's also the question of what you and the others saw. I don't think
you're lying, or delusional. You might have been mistaken, and I find it
interesting that you're so absolutely positive of what you saw 14 years
ago.
But there is the other side of the coin. So far, there is no copy of the
LP that any of us can find. There is also no apparent Copyright Office
paper trail, as I have determined. There is also the denial of the LP's
existance by TD and the record company, for what it's worth.
If you were an impartial observer, what would you decide?
Again, I must apologize for the waste of babdwidth on a topic many of us
are tired of.
Scott
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Date: Tue Jun 30, 1998 2:26
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Subject: Destination Berlin
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It's a lot like Lily, but with less guitar. Almost all synth.
Alexander square is a cool track, as is Wall Street (my favorite). The
last track is a reprise of Alexander Square
(just shorter, mixed slightly different) and there is another track
with the same basic melody as Alexander Square, but slower and more
introspective. All in all a really good album. I didn't realize it was
hard to find. I picked it up the first time I saw it, (probably 4-5
years ago now). The whole album has a 'happy' maybe even jubilant tone
to it. (Of course it was written for a celebration...) CD Universe (
www.cduniverse.com) has Destination Berlin (German Import) available
for $16.97. I don't know if this is the cheapest, but at least you can
get it there.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> Really-From: Bennett Cookson
>
>
>
>
> >> think Edgar and Paul made a great team.
>
> I agree! My favorite on OR is 'Sun Gate' and I also
> really enjoy Lily on the Beach. What is Destination Berlin like? I
> have not heard much about it and it is not widely available.
> (Although
> I saw it listed on www.Amazon.com)
>
> --Bennett
>
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Subject: Destiantion Berlin (Was RE: Optical Race)
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Oops! now that I checked out www.amazon.com I see they have a much
better price (about $4 cheaper) than cd universe.
James
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> From: tadream@c...
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> Really-From: Bennett Cookson
>
>
>
>
> >> think Edgar and Paul made a great team.
>
> I agree! My favorite on OR is 'Sun Gate' and I also
> really enjoy Lily on the Beach. What is Destination Berlin like? I
> have not heard much about it and it is not widely available.
> (Although
> I saw it listed on www.Amazon.com)
>
> --Bennett
>
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Since they will never be originals anyway, I for one would definitely
settle for copies (even cassette)
since I couldn't possibly afford them at the price they seem to be going
for.
If anyone is making CD-R's of these, let me know prices.
James
> -----Original Message-----
>
> This is the reason the price of bootlegs shoots up. Nobody makes CD-R
> copies of them. CD-R copies are identical to the originals and can
> only
> help drop the price and hurt the people who collect $40+ for such
> bootleg
> CDs...
>
> -Morgan
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Subject: Destination Berlin
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Just to offer a counterview, Destination Berlin does fit in with Melrose,
Lily on the Beach, and Optical Race.
These are the years of TD that I like the least because of the thinness of
the sound and non-creativity IMO. It sounds like the same song over and
over, at least to my ears.
It's funny. White Eagle sounds 'thin' too, but it's creative as hell and
not predictable upon first listen. I guessed where Destination Berlin was
going at every turn...
The only albums from 1986-1992 that I really listen to are Livemiles, Tyger
(the ORIGINAL 1987 release, not the new ver.), Miracle Mile, and 220 Volt.
-Morgan
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Subject: Re: TD Guest book entry.
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The only problem is Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and
over and over.At least TD is music.I've tried to listen to KS because some say
he is better than TD.After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.Maybe
the trick is to be drugged while listening.IMO! How can you tell if it is
unreleased or not,it all sounds the same.
>RICK
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On Tuesday, June 30, 1998 10:27 AM, tadream mailing list
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> Really-From: J.Peschke@s...
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>
>
> It's already gone...
>
>
Those thin-skinned sons-uv -bitches can't handle any critisim can they!
They certainly know what is *best* for their fans don't they! It reminds
me of when mom covers your ears when your drunk uncle starts swearing
at the dinner table. Maybe those 'ambient monkeys' are the three
'hear nothing, see nothing, say nothing' monkeys. OH ALL MY SHIT
SMELLS LIKE ROSES &^^%$%@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*mellowing out*
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Well it is a guest book, not a bitch n flame board!
I admit, I was a bit shocked at the price. But I hadn't been buying
many new releases, so I only have the US version of Dream Mixes I
(with only the one CD) so EVERYTHING in the set is new to me. Plus, by
the time you buy 14 CDs (there should be 14 discs in the set: DM1 is 2
CDs plus the bonus CD) at $17 (us) apiece, that comes up to $238, and
you can't get the bonus CD separately! I've already ordered mine.
If you don't like the price, order them individually, after the price
comes down. Don't complain to the world at large because you aren't
being treated fairly!
James
> -----Original Message-----
[Owens James] was about the Guestbook post, and the fact that
its gone already.
>
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> Only one problem.......many cd players will still not play cdrs....until
> that changes boot cds are worth more than cdrs imo.
>
> Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions
The technology has changed in CDRs themselves since 95 and I haven't had
a problem since then.
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Hello,
I just bought the 12' of Warsaw in the Sun. The melody in the
title track sounds VERY familiar. Anyone happen to know where this
comes from. I SWEAR I've heard that exact melody on a TD album before,
but I can't remember which one. I went all the way through Exit and
Hyperborea looking for it, but didn't find it.
Also the 'Polish Dance' track sounds familiar, a bit like Exit (the
track) but I'm not sure about that one either.
Anybody have any ideas on this?
James
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On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>
> Lawry Simm, proud JP8000 user, said:
>
> >PS -> I've still to found out if Zoning or the Hollywood suckers
> > > are worser. ;-)
> >
> >Jens-man... Zoning is one of the most underrated TD album
> >(along with Optical Race). It's an absolute corker!
>
>
> You prefer Zoning to Oasis then ?
Well...I wouldn't say it's as good as _Oasis_...but it's still better you
think after the first listen or two. Well, it grew on me quite a bit.
> However, after listening to 'Hollywood 1' quite often during the last few days
> I must admit that it certainly grows on me (except for the track 'Escape from
shadow land'
Hm, changing your tune already, Jens?
I'll keep that in mind next time I read an album review by you ;)
so, does this mean you might end up hating _TransSiberia_ yet?
> (crappy cheap drum sound) and a few others). Well it might turn out to be
> a good one in the end, dunno yet. I've tried 'Hollywood 2' also, but
> I'm not in the right mood for it - I still don't like it.
>
> Ob: 'Optical Race': I always thought it's not that good, mainly because
> of its clean and cheap sound, but after playing the two 'Atlantic' samplers
> to my surprise the OR tracks were my favourites. Mmh, I´m getting old, eh ?
> ;-)
_Optical Race_ has, IMO, exactly 4 tracks worth the TD name: 'Marakesh',
'Mothers of Rain', 'The Midnight Trail', and, sometimes, 'Turning Off The
Wheel' (depends on my mood). The rest I usually skip over. It's worth
noting, though, that 'Mothers of Rain' is one of my 5 favourite TD tracks
of all time. Honestly.
> Kind Regards >
> Jens
Gabe
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On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: J.E.Owens@A...
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I just bought the 12' of Warsaw in the Sun. The melody in the
> title track sounds VERY familiar. Anyone happen to know where this
> comes from. I SWEAR I've heard that exact melody on a TD album before,
> but I can't remember which one. I went all the way through Exit and
> Hyperborea looking for it, but didn't find it.
Uh...how about _Poland_...Barbakane pt. 2?
> Also the 'Polish Dance' track sounds familiar, a bit like Exit (the
> track) but I'm not sure about that one either.
I have always thought that 'Polish Dance' (aka the last section of
'Tangent') had a very strong structural kinship with 'Choronzon'.
> Anybody have any ideas on this?
>
> James
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> I just bought the 12' of Warsaw in the Sun. The melody in the
> title track sounds VERY familiar. Anyone happen to know where this
> comes from.
It's a remix of 'Barbakane' from the album Poland.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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Really-From: 'Roger Smith'
Hello,
One of my favorite TD discs, the classic Logostypes boot, sounds like it
was recorded on the White Eagle 1982 European tour.
Does anyone know which show?
I've heard that it was recorded 11.15.82 in Berlin at the International
Congres Centrum.
Is this true?
This boot sounds way better than fantapes from this period.
Was it a soundboard recording?
I've not seen a cover to this boot, nor heard it mentioned along with
other vinyl boots.
Was it a rehearsal tape that circulated informally?
Some of the tracks don't appear on the Logos release of the Dominion
show on this tour.
Does anyone know the names and order of the tracks on these two
recordings (Logostypes vs. Logos)?
Why was the release called Logos?
Lots of questions, I know; perhaps this thread can bring some
interesting trivia to light.
Roger
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_Logostypes_ is allegedly made from TD's studio master of their 'dress
rehearsal' for that show.
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[me]
>> However, after listening to 'Hollywood 1' quite often during the last few
days
>> I must admit that it certainly grows on me (except for the track 'Escape
from shadow land'
>Hm, changing your tune already, Jens?
>I'll keep that in mind next time I read an album review by you ;)
Take a look at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/6639/p_albums.html
if you wanna read some reviews.
>so, does this mean you might end up hating _TransSiberia_ yet?
NO, don't get me wrong here. I didn't review Hollywood 1.
I need some listenings to decide whether I like an album or not.
The first listening isn't that important. Look, some albums just need
some more play time to grow on me. Oldfield's Hergest Ridge took
quite a few listenings until I like it, now it's one of my favourites.
Others are very interesting in the beginning and quite boring after
some time.
So I need 3-9 listenings for a stable personal review.
That doesn't mean that my personal opinion doesn't change after some
time/years...
>_Optical Race_ has, IMO, exactly 4 tracks worth the TD name: 'Marakesh',
>'Mothers of Rain', 'The Midnight Trail',
All included in the DD...
Kind Regards
Jens
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Really-From: Frederic Yargui
It depends on the KS album you listen... IMHO.
I had the same feeling... but for recent albums, not in the period -70-80.
Fred
Really-From: RBrown4856@a...
The only problem is Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and
over and over.At least TD is music.I've tried to listen to KS because some say
he is better than TD.After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.Maybe
the trick is to be drugged while listening.IMO! How can you tell if it is
unreleased or not,it all sounds the same.
>RICK
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Really-From: J.E.Owens@A...
Hello,
I just bought the 12' of Warsaw in the Sun. The melody in the
title track sounds VERY familiar. Anyone happen to know where this
comes from.
The first time I heard it [i.e. ' Barbakane '] (in 83-84 or 85) it did the same
feeling to me.
I SWEAR I've heard that exact melody on a TD album before,
but I can't remember which one. I went all the way through Exit and
Hyperborea looking for it, but didn't find it.
Also the 'Polish Dance' track sounds familiar, a bit like Exit (the
track) but I'm not sure about that one either.
Again from POLAND : It's the third part of TANGENT aka side B of disc 1 from
the double POLAND.
Anybody have any ideas on this?
James
Fred
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> Really-From: 'Elias Granillo, Jr.'
>
>
>
> Rockoon single (w/ 'Oriental Haze') (I have 2 copies) $6
> Dreamtime single CD5 $6
> Turn of the Tides CD5 (w/ 'Story of the Brave') $6
> Tyranny of Beauty CD5 (w/ 'Quasar' bonus trk) $ 6
> Zoning (OST~import) $10
> Deadly Care (OST) $7
> -----
> HOLLE MANGLER Annihilation On Earth $11 (1995~Ardema Music)
> (German//upbeat, melodic EMusic)
> PEGASUS Individual Isolation $11 (ditto)
>
> Contact me at: upnsm0ke@g...
Hello Elias.
I want 'Tyranny of Beauty' cd5.
Please contact me by E-mail, to tell me how mutch it coast. I`m from
Portugal.
Best Regards,
Jorge Moreira.
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> Really-From: nospamboretz@p... (Alex Boretz)
>
> > What is Destination Berlin like?
> > I have not heard much about it...
>
> The synth sound is straight from 'Optical Race' (same Atari gear,
> I guess.)
The Atari doesn't make the sounds on any TD album (or mine), at least
not that I know.
Somehow people 'blame' the Atari for the 'bad' sounds or music. This is
all wrong!
You can perfectly drive your old analog gear from your Atari and sound
as Rubycon as you want :-)
The Atari even has better midi-timing then the PC or MAC because of its
internal midi in-outputs. (I use Atari and PC btw)
I think Edgars mind has changed with the years (as all of our minds change
I think). That has changed the music.
Just my mind :-)
Marcel
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Subject: Bristol '90
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Does anyone have the lp or cd of LIVE AT BRISTOL '90.If you do please give
review.
>THANKS!
>RICK
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saw this one time on cd at a record show in Atlanta...
lile a moron i didnt get it..
never seen it again
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Howdy!
I am coming out of lurker mode to ask a few questions, I'm sure you can answer:
1) Is the Macula Transfer that was released by Manikin Records the original,
or has it been Tangentized? If so, where can I find the original on CD? I do
remember at one point someone indicating that there was more than one release
of this album.
2) Where can I find Ages on CD? I also need to know if someone would be able
to make me a CD-R or something with the track that was omitted (perhaps you
can throw on a copy of the bonus disc from Dream Dice :-) ).
The copy of Macula Transfer that I have is a great album; I'd go so far as
placing it in my own mind as one of the greatest space-music albums of all
times, with Jarre's Oxygene and such. (The first track reminds me a bit of
Pink Floyd. Anyone else think so?)
Thanks in advance for all your answers.
Later!
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Really-From: Vincent Goudreault
tadream mailing list wrote:
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> Really-From: Brian Frick
>
> Howdy!
>
> I am coming out of lurker mode to ask a few questions, I'm sure you can
answer:
>
> 1) Is the Macula Transfer that was released by Manikin Records the original,
> or has it been Tangentized? If so, where can I find the original on CD? I do
> remember at one point someone indicating that there was more than one release
> of this album.
It is true to the orginal. No alteration to the notes, same artwork
(though at a reduced size, evidently).
>
> 2) Where can I find Ages on CD? I also need to know if someone would be able
> to make me a CD-R or something with the track that was omitted (perhaps you
> can throw on a copy of the bonus disc from Dream Dice :-) ).
'Ages' is readily available on CD. I got my copy from SuperCollector
(try them at supercollector@s...). Since I never got
'Ages' on vinyl, I can't help you with the last bit (and I don't have
CDR unit anyway), but with luck, perhaps 'Electronic Orgy II' may
include that missing track (of course, that would P.O. Ed to great
length... Perhaps *he* should have put that track in the Dice?)
>
> The copy of Macula Transfer that I have is a great album; I'd go so far as
> placing it in my own mind as one of the greatest space-music albums of all
> times, with Jarre's Oxygene and such. (The first track reminds me a bit of
> Pink Floyd. Anyone else think so?)
I concur.
>
> Thanks in advance for all your answers.
>
> Later!
> --
> Brian Frick
>
> frickblj@w...
> http://www.westol.com/~frickblj/
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Date: Tue Jun 30, 1998 10:22
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Subject: Re: MIDI was Optical Race
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>Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>The Atari doesn't make the sounds on any TD album (or mine), at least
>not that I know.
Right, its output MIDI data drives some rack mountable digital modules
and synth that were reasonable for the sound. I can't hear any analogue gear
on OR, no fat 3 OSC leads.
>The Atari even has better midi-timing then the PC or MAC because of its
>internal midi in-outputs. (I use Atari and PC btw)
I use(d) Atari and PC too, but don't blame the crappy soundboard
for the worse midi-timing and buy yourself a good MIDI card
for your PC ! ;-)
Whether the midi in-out are internal or not, isn't important, btw.
The cpu/mainboard/card design (IRQ handling) and the OS certainly are.
Kindly,
Jens
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I have the manikin cd and it is the original.It has not be tangentized.
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: Have an NTSC-compatible LD Player and a CD Burner?
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
Hello,
Does anyone here have (or have access to) an NTSC-compatible or
capable laserdisk player as well as a CD burner? If so, how amenable
would you be to transferring the entire soundtrack of a film from LD
onto two CD-Rs in service of aiding in a little project? Please reply
off-list. Thanks.
Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02146; 617-232-3876;
. Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107;
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FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Redshift, Nightcrawlers, R. Carty, Ozrics, Serrie
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Date: Wed Jul 1, 1998 2:08
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Subject: RE: tadream-digest V16 #325 (keep naysayers)
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Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan'
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