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Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
>Really-From: Vincent Goudreault
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>It is true to the orginal. No alteration to the notes, same artwork
>(though at a reduced size, evidently).
>
I didn't think it was the same artwork. The liner notes say that Frank Makowski
was responsible. I have a swirly blue thing on my cover.
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> The only problem is Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise
> over and over and over.At least TD is music.I've tried to listen to
> KS because some say he is better than TD.After about 10 minutes I
> want to blow my brains out.Maybe the trick is to be drugged while
> listening.IMO! How can you tell if it is unreleased or not,it all
> sounds the same.
Tip: Don't try TD's 'Zeit' or 'Rubycon', you'll hate them.
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Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
>>Really-From: Vincent Goudreault
>>
>>It is true to the orginal. No alteration to the notes, same artwork
>>(though at a reduced size, evidently).
>I didn't think it was the same artwork. The liner notes say that >Frank
Makowski
>was responsible. I have a swirly blue thing on my cover.
Ahh... and let's not forget the swirly gold thing on back!
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Really-From: 'ashok prema'
You wrote:
>>>Sorry, but I don't agree. I was at the Wembley concert last June. When
>JMJ played Oxygene 13 as his last number he played every note live, even
>the odd wrong one! OK there was some backing, which may or may not have
>been pre-recorded, but he played his bit live, as he had done through
>the whole concert.
>The reason that there are 4-5 other musicians with him is that all the
>music you hear is live. He could not possibly play everything, the music
>is too complicated. This is the excuse TD give for producing a
>MIDI-concert. Maybe they should go on stage with 15 >>
>mmmmmmm - I wonder how much JMJ really plays live........I remember a
>journalist telling me that at the London Docklands concert many years >ago
>there were 4 x 24 track tape recorders away from the
>stage............recording? or playback?? who know?
>
>
>Ash
A good point, it would not be the first time that an artist mimed to a
tape! However, I would say that JMJ and his pals all 'looked' like they
were really playing. And as I said, at Wembley the odd wrong note
appeared in the lead-line.
One of the big problems I had when I was more naive was that none of the
members of TD actually looked like they were playing onstage. At the SB
gig of 1996, Linda sat listlessly at the keyboard, just touching a few
keys and not looking like she was really trying. Her sax playing was
much more genuine and did appear to be live. One cannot doubt Emil
played the drums on last years tour, but did it matter which one he
struck to get the note?
For that matter, I have also had trouble matching the some of the sounds
with the players hand movements on videos such as 3 Phase and Dream
Mixes, they don't appear to sync, or is this just my elderly eyes?
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> Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
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> >Really-From: Vincent Goudreault
> >
> >It is true to the orginal. No alteration to the notes, same artwork
> >(though at a reduced size, evidently).
> >
>
> I didn't think it was the same artwork. The liner notes say that Frank
Makowski
> was responsible. I have a swirly blue thing on my cover.
>
That's what I got on both my vinyl and my CD: a swirly blue and tan
thing.
Of course, the CD bears different copyright date and distributor name...
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I for one have noticed the mystery of the hands on the 3 Phase video.
Nothing they are playing looks like what I am hearing. I'm glad someone
else noticed it too.
Kevin
> For that matter, I have also had trouble matching the some of the sounds
> with the players hand movements on videos such as 3 Phase and Dream
> Mixes, they don't appear to sync, or is this just my elderly eyes?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Daniel
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Really-From: ami.hassinen@e... (Hassinen Ami)
Hello all!
Interesting thread this JMJ vs. TD live. I was lucky enough to view a Jarre
gig just ten metres from the stage last summer. It was a show of his
'Oxygene 7-13' tour, at the Hartwall arena, Helsinki, Finland.
There was four musicians in addition to JMJ on the stage, one dealing with a
large amount of percussion instruments and the rest with synths and
keyboards (well, one of them played bass (midified) on some of the tracks).
From what I could see and hear, JMJ really played the instruments live. And
I´ve played synths and kbds for 14 years, both in the studio and on stage,
so I have a sort of perspective on the technical side if I may say so ;-)
There was an enormous amount of gear on the stage; old Roland 500s, EMS,
Oscar, Mellotron, Theremin and many more... It was like a museum!
He began the set with the 'Oxygene pt 7' playing the laser harp. He made a
slight error here and there and the resulting sound convinced me that he
really triggered those sounds with the laser beams. During the first three
numbers JMJ did some of those 'crowd-pleasing stage poses' that we all know
from the Docklands-videos etc, but that was clearly for the benefit of the
press photographers and the rest of the set went in more 'businesslike' spirit.
Some of the tracks he played solo and some of those were a bit 'ragged' so
they clearly were played live to the note, with some help of rhythm units
and seqs. He also had slight problems with tuning of the mellotron but got
it under controll. Theremin was more of a gimmick, but very cool to see and
hear it live in concert...
I didn´t think too highly of JMJ´s live output of the late 80s/early 90s and
I feel that many of his enormous concert happenings look somewhat
unintentionally funny on video. But this latest tour and album really
restored my belief in JMJ as a musician...and he is also a very pro as a
performer, making an easy and natural contact with an enormous audience...
As far as TD´s live work goes, it is a whole lot different scene in many
ways. But they clearly dropped the realtime playing of their instruments on
stage as the 80s wore on. I´ve never been to a TD concert (they have never
played a single gig in Scandinavia!!!), but I´ve heard a load of concert
tapes in addition to the official live albums. The only realtime music seems
to be the occassional piano parts and guitar solos. This is quite
justifiable and quite OK, but nowadays I have more respect for people like
JMJ who take the risks and really play live!!! Just like the TD did in the
earlier days...
I love TD, but if I had to choose between going to a TD concert and going to
a let´s say JMJ, Schulze or Ashra concert, I´m afraid TD wouldn´t get my
money that night...sorry
I really hope that Edgar could be as comfortable with his past as those
three other artists I mentioned above are with theirs...
cheerio,
Ami
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At 08:52 AM 7/1/1998 +0100, (the Scottish) Craig wrote:
>I didn't think it was the same artwork. The liner notes say that Frank
Makowski
Ask Frank. He will straighten it out for us.
Andrew
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Really-From: ami.hassinen@e... (Hassinen Ami)
´ere we go ´ere we go ´ere we go....
Week 4: 1975 Australian Tour, all tapes & 4.2.75 London
3.13.75 Melbourne (Dallas Brooks Hall) 84 min. (Au)
3.25.75 Adelaide (Festival Hall) 87 min. (Au)
Well, I have heard only the Melbourne tape, so here´s my impressions of it
for those interested:
The gig starts with a nice collection on jungle athmospheres. Very
appropriate for an Australian tour! I remeber having read somewhere that
they drove around
'down under' with rented cars for a few days before the first date of the
tour...there´s also some pics of the era in the 70 - 80 box set booklet that
show the guys in jungle surroundings. Obviously an inspiring experience!
I was very curious to hear how the famous damage to Franke´s big Moog would
have affected their music on this tour. When I listened to this tape for the
first time, I was surprised that in spite of the stories, everything seems
to go very smoothly...
There´s even good sequences going on in the end of the first set. Probably
they did these with their usual Moog sequencers controlling Mini-Moogs? The
sequences sound a little thinner here than one normally hears on tapes of
this era...
The second set is more ambient, with little or no rhythms at all. But I like
it this time, there seems to be a method behind all the 'droning'. Their
vision has clearly matured since the Ponts-de-Ce-days ;-)
4.2.75 London (Royal Albert Hall)
This is good stuff! One of my all-time favourite TD concert recordings. All
the ideas and motifs of the previous Australian concert honed to perfection.
It is also exceptionally smooth show musically. Everything seems to go well
and there´s no audible technical problems anywhere. Well, there was other
kind of problems: Froese was asked to pay huge amounts of money 'for using
an orchestra' just before they took the stage! Some musician´s union
thing... ;-) Mellotron was thought of as a threat to every classical
musician on earth! Luckily they didn´t have samplers with them those days...;)
Hoenig´s role can be very clearly heard, IMO. There´s some cool lead synth
phrasing (and some sequences as well? I think there´s two guys making some
of the sequences this time) that are unlike Froese´s or Franke´s playing.
You can hear that when you compare this concert with the post- and
pre-Hoenig tapes and then listen to Hoenig´s 'Departure from the Northern
Wastelands' of 1977. I think that he might have been a good permanent member
of TD if things would have gone that way. Perhaps as good as Baumann, but
maybe on a different level? On the other hand, one cannot hear too many cool
effect sounds in this concert...Baumann was probably more into inventive
sound engineering than Hoenig. Perhaps they should have asked Hoenig join TD
as Baumann´s replacement in 1977 :)...
A great concert and a good recording. I think this would be an essential
show in any TD fans collection...
cheers,
Ami
www.nettilinja.fi/~ahassine
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That could just be 'out of sync' sound editing, or the effect of echo in
the theatre.
(You know, light travels faster than sound....)
James
> Really-From: 'jowers'
>
>
> I for one have noticed the mystery of the hands on the 3 Phase video.
> Nothing they are playing looks like what I am hearing. I'm glad
> someone
> else noticed it too.
>
> Kevin
>
>
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> Really-From: yourfriend@s...
>
>
> Dear Previous Member,
>
> We have just got our hands on the stolen Pamela Anderson / Tommy
> Lee video. We have still out takes from the video plus plenty of
> mpegs of the video for your viewing pleasure.
Wow great. We've all been waiting for that!
btw: you can buy it (legally) in the stores over here so...
> We have Ashley Judd, Victoria Principal, Cameron Diaz, Elle
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Great! Got any pics of TD concerts? :-)
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> Really-From: dan.cor@v...
>
> For that matter, I have also had trouble matching the some of the sounds
> with the players hand movements on videos such as 3 Phase and Dream
> Mixes, they don't appear to sync, or is this just my elderly eyes?
Wait till you see Ricochet....no sync at all :-)
But still a great watch!
Marcel
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> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
> > Really-From: yourfriend@s...
> >
> >
> > Dear Previous Member,
> >
> > We have just got our hands on the stolen Pamela Anderson / Tommy
> > Lee video. We have still out takes from the video plus plenty of
> > mpegs of the video for your viewing pleasure.
>
> Wow great. We've all been waiting for that!
> btw: you can buy it (legally) in the stores over here so...
>
> > We have Ashley Judd, Victoria Principal, Cameron Diaz, Elle
> > McPherson, Jewel, Garbage, Ginger Spice, Demi Moore and even
> > more!!
>
> Great! Got any pics of TD concerts? :-)
>
> Marcel
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How about Linda Spa bending over to pick up her sax?
Dano
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>Really-From: 'ashok prema'
>
>You wrote:
>
>>>>Sorry, but I don't agree. I was at the Wembley concert last June. When
>>JMJ played Oxygene 13 as his last number he played every note live, even
>>the odd wrong one! OK there was some backing, which may or may not have
>>been pre-recorded, but he played his bit live, as he had done through
>>the whole concert.
>>The reason that there are 4-5 other musicians with him is that all the
>>music you hear is live. He could not possibly play everything, the music
>>is too complicated. This is the excuse TD give for producing a
>>MIDI-concert. Maybe they should go on stage with 15 >>
>
>>mmmmmmm - I wonder how much JMJ really plays live........I remember a
>>journalist telling me that at the London Docklands concert many years >ago
>>there were 4 x 24 track tape recorders away from the
>>stage............recording? or playback?? who know?
>>
>>
>>Ash
>
>A good point, it would not be the first time that an artist mimed to a
>tape! However, I would say that JMJ and his pals all 'looked' like they
>were really playing. And as I said, at Wembley the odd wrong note
>appeared in the lead-line.
>
>One of the big problems I had when I was more naive was that none of the
>members of TD actually looked like they were playing onstage. At the SB
>gig of 1996, Linda sat listlessly at the keyboard, just touching a few
>keys and not looking like she was really trying. Her sax playing was
>much more genuine and did appear to be live. One cannot doubt Emil
>played the drums on last years tour, but did it matter which one he
>struck to get the note?
>
>For that matter, I have also had trouble matching the some of the sounds
>with the players hand movements on videos such as 3 Phase and Dream
>Mixes, they don't appear to sync, or is this just my elderly eyes?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Daniel
>
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At 07:08 PM 6/30/98 PDT, you wrote:
>Often filed after the fact, according to a friend at Elektra. And if
>the decision was made not to release, there shouldn't be a paper trail.
Excuse me for jumping in here. If you contend you held a copy in your hand,
then it _was_ released, or you held a pre-release pressing that was put out
for sale. I doubt the latter, as I can't imagine this would be an item that
would warrent such a move. If it was released (if only for a day) there
should still be some record of it. If it was an import, maybe there exists
a record not in the US, but abroad that has so-far been missed.
>>But, that doesn't mean that the tapes weren't sent to the presses in
>>anticipation of a release. That happens quite often.
Can you give an example? With all the talk about who owns what rights
regarding this project, I have trouble beleiving any company would spend
the money to obtain the rights, master, press, release an ill-fated project
only to recall all of the product almost immediately.
Regards,
Mike
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Whether or not he actually plays the laser-harp I can't say, as I
haven't
seen JMJ in concert, but I know that it is possible to play one. The
last time I was at Jackson Hole one of the many stores had a laser-harp
on display that you could use, it worked rather well sounding like a
plucked
string when the beam was broken.
-Scott
n.p.: Zeit
>This is technically possible. Indeed, after seeing him do this at Houston
>(1986?)
>I performed a similar task (on a much more basic scale) for a science
>project.
>Whether or not he does actually do this though, I'm still not sure. From
>what I see
>each beam he breaks does not correspond to a particular note (if you see
>what
>I mean). I have two possible reasons for this. 1. He is miming, and forgets
>which
>beam to play for a particular note. or 2. The notes are a pre-stored
>sequence,
>and with each broken beam, the next note plays, meaning that he just has to
>break any beam to get the next note. He just moves left and right for
>theatric effect.
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Subject: Any other tapes of Zeit live (i.e. Klangcollage)
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Really-From: Aured Azhallein Rancuel
After all the discussion on Zeit I've been listening to it rather
often lately and I remembered reading some article (perhaps it
was the Tangents box set) that refered to Zeit being played live
and some critic's vitriolic remarks about it. Anyhow, after listening
to the piece 'Klangcollage' from the tape tree and enjoying
the neat way the various themes of 'Nebulous Dawn' and 'Origin of
Supernatural Probabilites' were combined I was curious if any other
tapes of live renditions exist??
-Scott
n.p. Zeit
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> Really-From: 'redshift'
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> Subject: Re: JMJ vs TD live
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Judging by the subject header, I take it you're trying to exit tadream,
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Howdy Troops...
Anybody know of a United States source for Edgar's 'Ages' CD?
Thanks in advance...
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Subject: Re: JMJ vs TD live
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Ash? said:
>>mmmmmmm - I wonder how much JMJ really plays live........I remember a
>>journalist telling me that at the London Docklands concert many years >ago
>>there were 4 x 24 track tape recorders away from the
>>stage............recording? or playback?? who know?
I've seen a few of the JMJ spectaculars live and more on TV. To me they
all look 100% mimed except maybe La Defense where at least the mime
quality improved dramatically. Probably undestandable given the aim is
to get 100,000 souls out in the rain to watch some fireworks and videos.
And some french guy with shades and a famous wife.
I also saw the Oxygene tour, and I'm pretty sure that was 99% live, and
everyone who's been to one of those shows seems to agree. The missing
1% - the laser harp of course. I was watching pretty closely and what
he played was note perfect for most of the piece, but then near the end
he threw in a couple of timing errors. I suspect he's just playing with
us.
There was a real laser harp in the 80s, and I think Jarre did own one.
But it involved breaking beams between the laser and a bank of sensors.
The current 'harp' fires straight into the air. The only way you could
make one is to detect the flash off his shiny gloves. Which scatter the
light all over the place. On a stage full of bright lights. But it is
still sensitive enough to detect his hand moving up and down within a
single beam. I don't think so.
Other great harp moments:
Blue Chip Orchestra, supporting KS and Ashra at the Koln Dome event.
Totally mimed 'performance' of some very cheesy music, 'playing' some
special 'exotic instruments' including a large wooden frame which played
perfect harp glissandi when you wave both hands randomly about inside
it.
John Dyson's 'Lazy Harp'. A roadie walks on and gives Dyson shades and
white gloves. He strikes the pose. The candelabra comes on. Dyson
plays solo which is sounds oddly just after his fingers cover the
flames. Backing muso smirks. You had to be there, maybe...
Back to your regularly scheduled bitching about the Dice Rip Off Fiasco.
JC
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Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
Really-From: Aured Azhallein Rancuel
Whether or not he actually plays the laser-harp I can't say, as I
haven't
seen JMJ in concert, but I know that it is possible to play one. The
last time I was at Jackson Hole one of the many stores had a laser-harp
on display that you could use, it worked rather well sounding like a
plucked
string when the beam was broken.
- -Scott
n.p.: Zeit
>This is technically possible. Indeed, after seeing him do this at Houston
>(1986?)
>I performed a similar task (on a much more basic scale) for a science
>project.
>Whether or not he does actually do this though, I'm still not sure. From
>what I see
>each beam he breaks does not correspond to a particular note (if you see
>what
>I mean). I have two possible reasons for this. 1. He is miming, and forgets
>which
>beam to play for a particular note. or 2. The notes are a pre-stored
>sequence,
>and with each broken beam, the next note plays, meaning that he just has to
>break any beam to get the next note. He just moves left and right for
>theatric effect.
- - From all the concert tapes and the live show I've seen,
I'd have to disagree here. Every beam actually seems to
correspond to a specific note that is played when the beam
is broken, and upwards and downwards progressions
correspond to Jarre's changes of direction when playing the
laser harp. I wonder if the source of confusion could be
the sound programming itself. With a limited number of
beams available, it might be that the intervals between one
beam and the next are not actually single-note intervals,
but that notes which aren't needed during the performance
are skipped. This might explain why the progressions played
tend to look unnatural.
I freely admit that I haven't got any technical knowledge
to corroborate this point.
Dennis
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>And as for JMJ's concerts...well...he's a great entertainer, I'll grant
>you. And I like his music for the most part, too. But he plays as many
>real notes during one of his shows as Chris Franke did during his
>celebrated London Concert in '91 (i.e: not very many.) That's why you see five
or six
>other musicians on stage with him. They're the ones who are actually
>playing. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as you enjoy the
>performance...
>Except when TD does it, of course. Right? ;)
>goozer
- - It depends very strongly on which of his concerts you
are talking about. I've seen all his live videos and been
to one show myself. It seems as if during the Lyon concert
in 1986 (as far as you can tell from the video footage), he
hardly played any live notes at all - but then, he didn't
even pretend to! In other concerts, especially some of the
more recent ones (Chronologie and Oxygene 7-13 tours), his
playing is very live...
Dennis
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>Really-From: Francisco Salgado
>
[Kent]
>> Did anybody happen to watch Denmark play against Nigeria
>> in the World Cup tonight?
>
>I did.
>
>Thanks Denmark for avenging us, spaniards.
Well, it's a pity that the spanish team (with an awful lot of most =
excellent players)
did not make it into the 2nd round. That's life, Francisco.
Looking forward to Holland vs. Yugoslavia. Certainly Oranje,
the most enjoyable European team so far, will win.
Jens
After most of the more entertaining teams (Spain, Colombia,
England) are out, Holland and Argentina have been
disappointing in their last matches, Germany have been
disappointing in all their matches, and Brazil's
superiority is getting boring, who is there left to
support??
Dennis
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>> > Really-From: yourfriend@s...
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Previous Member,
>> >
>> > We have just got our hands on the stolen Pamela Anderson / Tommy
>> > Lee video. We have still out takes from the video plus plenty of
>> > mpegs of the video for your viewing pleasure.
>>
>> Wow great. We've all been waiting for that!
>> btw: you can buy it (legally) in the stores over here so...
>>
>> > We have Ashley Judd, Victoria Principal, Cameron Diaz, Elle
>> > McPherson, Jewel, Garbage, Ginger Spice, Demi Moore and even
>> > more!!
>>
>> Great! Got any pics of TD concerts? :-)
>>
>> Marcel
>
>How about Linda Spa bending over to pick up her sax?
>
>Dano
If they have have any pix of 'electronic orgies', I'm there dude! ;-)
-Erik
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Subject: Re: Any other tapes of Zeit live (i.e. Klangcollage)
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Really-From: Vic Rek
> Really-From: Aured Azhallein Rancuel
> [...] Anyhow, after listening
> to the piece 'Klangcollage' from the tape tree and enjoying
> the neat way the various themes of 'Nebulous Dawn' and 'Origin of
> Supernatural Probabilites' were combined I was curious if any other
> tapes of live renditions exist??
>
You can find the following CDRs with similar music:
Virtual Files 72-01:
ST 72.04.25 Gerandeaus bis zum Morgen (TV), Berlin “Klangcollege',
Unknown location 72/73
Virtual Files 72-02 (remastered):
72.11.25 Cologne (WDR-FM) 'Nachtmusik in WDR'
Virtual Files 73-01:
73.05.25 Ponts de Ce, France Open Air Festival (2 CD-Rs)
Besides this, not much more exists on fan tape that I know of. Hope
this helps. Vic
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> If they have have any pix of 'electronic orgies', I'm there dude! ;-)
I don't know...you might end up with pictures of Yanni, Kitaro and John
Tesh in loving embrace....
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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>Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
>One person from Hong Kong, but I don't think of Hong King as being behind
>the Iron (Bamboo) Curtain (right, Jeffrey?). [...]
>
>Na razie,
>
>Andrew (originally from Hungary)
Not really iron or bamboo curtain, but 'cement' curtain because of the many
sky scrappers...:-)
BTW President Clinton has just arrived in Hong Kong, which is the last stop
of his visit to China.
Jeffrey (Au Yeung)
Hong Kong, China
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> Really-From: Sean Montgomery
>
> > If they have have any pix of 'electronic orgies', I'm there dude! ;-)
>
> I don't know...you might end up with pictures of Yanni, Kitaro and John
> Tesh in loving embrace....
Hehe...hypothetically, for some people that might not be so bad: Kitaro
will look like Yoko and be the meat in-between Yanni & John's love
sandwich.
rotfl
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> >One person from Hong Kong, but I don't think of Hong King as being behind
> >the Iron (Bamboo) Curtain (right, Jeffrey?). [...]
>
> Not really iron or bamboo curtain, but 'cement' curtain because of the many
> sky scrappers...:-)
Unless it's a skyscraper that's under construction, in which case it might
be surrounded by a 'curtain' of bamboo scaffolding!
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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> Really-From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung'
>
> >Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
> >One person from Hong Kong, but I don't think of Hong King as being
behind
> >the Iron (Bamboo) Curtain (right, Jeffrey?). [...]
> >
> >Na razie,
> >
> >Andrew (originally from Hungary)
>
> Not really iron or bamboo curtain, but 'cement' curtain because of the
many
> sky scrappers...:-)
>
> BTW President Clinton has just arrived in Hong Kong, which is the last
stop
> of his visit to China.
Try to get as close to Clintman as possible. Let me know if Chelsea's
'blossoming' into that beautiful young woman everyone says she is...
> Aged 30. First listened to TD in 1982. Hardcore fan since 1984.
E-Man
Aged 27. First listened to TD in 1985. Hardcore fan of TD 1985-1994. First
listened to Goblin in 1987. First listened to Mark Shreeve in 1988.
Hardcore fan of Mark Shreeve & Goblin ever since! Recently inducted (1998)
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Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 3:43
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Subject: Re: No TD but...footy!
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In a message dated 98-07-02 07:19:40 EDT, you write:
<< After most of the more entertaining teams (Spain, Colombia,
England) are out, Holland and Argentina have been
disappointing in their last matches, Germany have been
disappointing in all their matches, and Brazil's
superiority is getting boring, who is there left to
support??
>>
you call argentina's effort against england 'disappointing'? sheesh, what
match were you watching? ...and brazil's superiority as compared to whom?
morocco?
and dont support anyone...support good soccer...
tom w
np: vapourspace - sweep
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Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 5:25
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Subject: Father,Sons and Cousins
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Really-From: Steve Jenkins
As I was driving into work today, listening to one of the excellent EO
set, I got thinking - usually dangerous for me..
I was wondering how many tracks have an obvious father-son
relationship, i.e. which tracks have obviously taken major sections or
influences from others. I've heard several tracks that have a
percussive background lifted directly from Thief - one of the Klem
tracks for instance.
Does anyone have any examples that could help build up a family tree of
tracks or movements that TD have progressively worked/reworked such as
Barbakane - Warsaw in the Sun. The Dream Mixes obviously qualify for as
remixes etc. how many versions of das maedchen are there for instance.
Just interesting, I thought, to see how much unoriginal work the band
has done.
I'm happy to collate the responses, so feel free to e-mail me off or
on-list.
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Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 2:05
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Subject: Re: footy and some TD-related too
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Really-From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
>Really-From: Dennis Nigbur
>
>After most of the more entertaining teams (Spain, Colombia,
>England) are out, Holland and Argentina have been
>disappointing in their last matches, Germany have been
>disappointing in all their matches, and Brazil's
>superiority is getting boring, who is there left to
>support??
I think the winner of the quarter final match between Italy and France may
provide the overall winner. Italy hasn't been playing that well, but have been
progressing without incident and without drawing too much attention. France
have the double-edged sword of being host nation - additional pressure and
greatest support. I tipped Italy before the start and if they beat France, I
can really see them doing it.
Now, for the TD related stuff - I purchased the Beyond the Horizon 'sampler'
Inifinite Horizons at the recent UtD / Far From Stars show at Jodrell Bank.
Does anyone else here have it? Is anyone interested in discussing it?
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Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 6:49
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Subject: RE: Father,Sons and Cousins
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Really-From: J.E.Owens@A...
I was listening to the Babylon 5 Soundtrack (the first CD released) and
track 12 (part 3 of Geometry of Shadows)
sounds an AWFUL lot like one of the tracks from TD's 'Miracle Mile'
soundtrack (with some foreground parts added)
It's EXACTLY the same chord structure for the background, and the rythm
is even the same at the beginning. I don't know the track on 'Miracle
Mile'. I wonder if the backgorund melody/chord structure was something
Edgar and Chris came up with together before he left the band, and they
both ended up using it seperately?
According to the official TD page, they do not/have not collaborated on
music since he left. Has anyone else noticed this similarity?
James
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> Really-From: Steve Jenkins
>
>
>
>
> As I was driving into work today, listening to one of the excellent EO
> set, I got thinking - usually dangerous for me..
>
> I was wondering how many tracks have an obvious father-son
> relationship, i.e. which tracks have obviously taken major sections
> or
> influences from others. I've heard several tracks that have a
> percussive background lifted directly from Thief - one of the Klem
> tracks for instance.
>
> Does anyone have any examples that could help build up a family tree
> of
> tracks or movements that TD have progressively worked/reworked such as
> Barbakane - Warsaw in the Sun. The Dream Mixes obviously qualify for
> as
> remixes etc. how many versions of das maedchen are there for
> instance.
>
> Just interesting, I thought, to see how much unoriginal work the band
> has done.
>
> I'm happy to collate the responses, so feel free to e-mail me off or
> on-list.
>
>
From:
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: Steve's True Confessions re THE KEEP
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:24:48 -0400
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Subject: Re: Re 1984 KEEP LP Naysayers and Research
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>I really didn't realize how obsessed you are about this. [. . .]
To be honest, you're one of the people who've made me this way. I
used to be merely fixated, but with the fleeting issuance of the TDI0010
'Special Edition' CD, and your heckling, I've gotten much worse.
I have a confession to make, to one and all:
The 1984 KEEP LP is responsible for putting my life on a different
track. If it weren't for placing an ad for the 1984 KEEP LP in GOLDMINE
RECORD COLLECTOR'S MAGAZINE back around 1986, I would never have been
contacted by Peter Grygorcewicz (reportedly the biggest, most hardcore
TD collector who ever lived), I would never have learned about VOICES IN
THE DUNES prior to publication (then called MUSIC IN THE RUINS) and been
able to contribute the information about the RISKY BUSINESS first LP
pressing, I would never have learned about Elana Mell Beach and her
fanzine ELECTRONIC DREAMS, and I would never have been fired-up enough
to learn how to use a computer so that I could join this mailing list!
Yes, it's true: I learned how to use a PC and a mainframe just so
I could partake in this list. And guess what my very first post was--
back around 1991--about? It was a plea for a pooling or resources so I
could place a larger, more expensive ad in GOLDMINE for THE KEEP. I kid
you not. Because of learning enough about how to use computers, I was
able to have the confidence to enroll at a graduate school of library
and information science. If the KEEP hadn't come out and if I hadn't
been pissed off about proving its existence for so long, we wouldn't be
having this virtual discussion right now.
>I will happily tell everyone 'THE KEEP LP EXISTS' after someone produces
>a copy. [. . .]
Gee wilikers, Vic, but that sure is a courageous stand to take! I
mean, the sheer peer pressure alone . . . ;)
>[. . .] I have a right to have an opinion just like you [. . .]
*That* hit me where I live. I know exactly where you're coming
from, there.
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Subject: RE: tadream-digest V16 #325 (keep naysayers)
>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:30:08 -0400
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>For the record, let me state that I believe there _was_ a Keep LP
>pressed.
[. . .]
>But Steve, you have no concrete evidence either. [. . .]
True.
>[. . .] You have several people's opinions, which were probably
>influenced by each other. [. . .]
I doubt that. One reason is that I suspect that many of the folks
who saw the 1984 KEEP LP had never encountered another person who had
seen the album until they joined this mailing list.
Before I saw the 1984 KEEP LP, I had been a monster and horror
movie fan for about ten years, I had been collecting TD for two years
(after having collected Bowie for 6 years, and Bruce Lee before that,
ad nauseum), and I had won tickets to a sneak peak showing of THE KEEP
the night before it opened nationally but gave the radio-station-won
card with the movie logo on it to a friend and *he* saw the movie. And
they gave out free T-shirts and posters that night! F**k! :( This is
just to say that when I saw the 1984 KEEP LP, I knew exactly what the
hell I was looking at. The monster on the back cover looked much like
like what was then my favorite comic book character of all time: Darkseid
from THE NEW GODS, MR. MIRACLE, and THE FOREVER PEOPLE comics. It was
because of this super-cool picture of the monster that I had a real
stiffy for this LP. Plus, I had seen the soundtracks to WAVELENGTH and
FIRESTARTER before this, so I was familiar with the fact that TD did
soundtracks for sci-fi/fantasy/horror-related movies.
>Let me correct you: _believe_ they experienced something. But the
>badgering can go the other way. I was on a paranormal mailing list for a
>while, and once I recalled on the list a dream I had where I was
>floating over my body, looking down on it from above. Just a dream,
>nothing more. Several people on the list insisted I had an out-of-body
>experience. If I was as gullible as they, I'd be going around now
>belieiving I had an OBE (out of body experience [. . .]
Gullibility has nothing to do with it. I know plenty of people
who have had this experience. Just because you feel that your case
was only a dream (which may be the case), doesn't mean that everyone
else's recollection of such a nocturnal happenstance is the result
of a dream, too. Bad analogy.
>[. . .] My wife had a dream when she was pregnant with our
>first kid that there were little white men around our bed, pointing at
>her belly. Again, just a dream, but it just as easily could have been
>perceived as real, and those little dudes could have been aliens that
>impregnated her as part of an experiment. [. . .]
I don't think it's likely, but I wouldn't rule it out, either.
>Moral of the story: never believe everything people tell you. One half
>is BS, the other is wrong.
Let's see, 50% plus 50% equals 100% of what everybody says is
invalid. And I thought *I* was paranoid?
>But to Steve's defense: I've heard a couple of record store owners say
>that it may have been released (reliable, non-biased witnesses) [. . .]
What makes you a judge of what are 'reliable, non-biased witnesses'?
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Subject: Re: Keep unlimited edition
>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:24:52 +0100
>Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
>When the Keep LP resurfaces, for Steve's sake I hope that it has
>better stuff on it. Otherwise, he's bound to hang himself. :-)
I recently recalled that one of the reasons that I had trouble
remembering the titles of the tracks on the 1984 KEEP LP is that some
of them were in a foreign language. Three of the titles on the TDI CD
are 'Puer Natus est Nobis,' 'Arx Allemand,' and 'Canzone'! This means
that the album might be closer the TDI CD I thought. Fooey.
>Jens-man... Zoning is one of the most underrated TD album
>(along with Optical Race). It's an absolute corker!
I like ZONING a lot, but am not too keen on OPTICAL RACE.
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Subject: RE: tadream-digest V16 #325 (keep naysayers)
>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:29:41 -0400
>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>Well, I haunted record stores in the '80s looking for TD, and was told
>it would be coming out soon. I never saw it. Six people say they saw it,
>382 -- on this list, mind you -- say they didn't. [. . .]
I'm going to tend to *this* question in a separate posting.
>[. . .] Where is the album now? It's never popped up at a record show,
>in a used vinyl store or at a garage sale?
There are people out there who have seen it for sale at used record
stores. I've met three such people. Too bad they didn't buy the copy
they saw. One person said they'd seen it for $4, another for $200, and
the other for $400. The thing is, not enough non-TD fans have heard of
its existence, so it isn't even in Rare Records guides. Hey, I just saw
a Rare Records guide that didn't even have CHERRY 3000 in it!
>[. . .] I find it interesting that you're so absolutely positive of
>what you saw 14 years ago.
I'm an obstinate, single-minded sort of little beggar.
>If you were an impartial observer, what would you decide?
When I post about the proportion of list subscribers who have seen
it to those who haven't, you'll know my answer to that.
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Subject: RE: tadream-digest V16 #325 (keep naysayers)
>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:08:38 PDT
>Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan'
>
>>----Original Message Follows----
>>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>>Subject: RE: tadream-digest V16 #325 (keep naysayers)
>>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:29:41 -0400
>>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>>
>>I find it interesting that you're so absolutely positive of what you
>>saw 14 years ago.
>
>Why should that be interesting? or even questionable? At the time, I had
>been LOOKING for TD at every opportunity for at least 10 years. I
>haven't missed your points, I'm making light of them and attempting not
>to offend. I'm not a fanatic about proving I saw anything, and don't
>care whether you believe me or not. [. . .]
Jim, this is where you and I differ, unfortunately.
>I was specifically looking for a TD album (any one really, I didn't have
>a reliable discography at the time. Actually, I still don't. Anyway,
>when I picked it up I knew what is was. I was aware of the movie.
Well, we definitely had the same experience, *there*.
>[. . .] Six people say they saw it, 382 -- on this list, mind you --
>say they didn't. [. . .]
>
>Actually, if it was withdrawn the same day it was put there, I find six
>of 382 to be a high percentage. [. . .]
More on this reasoning in a separate post . . .
>>I also believe in UFO's (but not abductions).
>
>Sorry, you're alone there.
Eep. I've seen UFOs at least once and have read about 10 books on
abductions--but I don't belief in abductions per se.
-- Steven Feldman
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Eddie & Jerry (TD): band with enough CD releases to kill a bank account
From:
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
am
Subject: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984?
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>Subject: RE: tadream-digest V16 #325 (keep naysayers)
>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:08:38 PDT
>Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan'
>
>>From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list)
>>Subject: RE: tadream-digest V16 #325 (keep naysayers)
>>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:29:41 -0400
>>Really-From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>>
>>Well, I haunted record stores in the '80s looking for TD, and was told
>>it would be coming out soon. I never saw it. Six people say they saw
>>it, 382 -- on this list, mind you -- say they didn't. [. . .]
>
>Actually, if it was withdrawn the same day it was put there, I find six
>of 382 to be a high percentage. [. . .]
I looked at the stuff in my files and have only been able to find
*five* people who claim first-hand experience of the 1984 KEEP album,
not six (I feel like a d**k misrepresenting the data that way, unless
I've forgotten about somebody and/or deleted a file by accident.)
| Okay, five people on the net have said they saw the KEEP album (one
|saw the tape, not the LP, remember?), and four of these five are on the
|list. They are (I hope none of you wince at my enumerating you thusly):
|
|1 Steven Feldman (held the record in his hands on a Wednesday in 1984)
|2 Jim Jordan (says he held the record in his hands in 1983)
|3 Pete Penfold (saw the record at a Tower Records in 1984)
|4 Erik Sanborn (held the record in his hands in 1984)
|
| And then there is . . .
|
|5 Set Sutekh (non-subscriber to this list who saw the cassette and
| held it in his hands several times during the course of a week)
|+ Alan Michael Vincent (author of THE DREAM LIVES ON), who is no longer
| on the net (says he met a DJ who claimed to have a copy of the
| record, but his offer of $20 for a photocopy of the UPC number
| was never taken up by said DJ)
Now, it seems to me that the only non-witnesses of a 1984 KEEP LP
which count re this argument are THOSE LIST MEMBERS WHO WERE ACTUALLY
INTO TD IN 1984 AND LOOKING FOR TD ALBUMS IN 1984. That narrows the
number from 382 considerably, seeing as some people on this list were
not even *born* yet in 1984!
So, those of you who did *not* see the KEEP album in 1984 yet were
TD collectors in 1984--stand up and be counted.
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 7:54
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Subject: Re: Father,Sons and Cousins
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Need we mention the many incarnations of 'Love on A Real train'? ;)
Gabe
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Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 8:06
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Subject: WTF?
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Really-From: 'Max Amundo'
You know, I just joined this list about a week ago, and expected it
to be SOMETHING like the Dream Theater list. Well, at first it was, but
now I'm getting really pissed off. And you know what? I'll bet this is
going to start a whole new thread of stupid comments because I, say,
misspell a word?
Let me clarify. I love this list, and the majority of the content is
great. But I feel I have to comment.
First, what the Hell business do people have advertising COMPLETELY
un-TaDream-related shit like Pamela Anders... who gives a fuck? Get off
our mailing list!
Second, I can't BELIEVE the way that so many people on here are all
'Yeah, TD sucks bad. I'd go to a (insert name) concert any day before
I'd see TD!' Why are you even here? I come here to talk to other
dreamers about the GREATNESS of TD, NOT to hear people put them down.
Last gripe. This stupid thread about 'I saw The Keep'... 'No, you
didn't'... 'Yes, I did, you stupid moron'... 'Well, you were born 2 days
ago, so philosophically speaking, aliens could have abducted you and
implanted the memory... not that I believe in that...'
Shut up! Who cares? You sound like a couple of kids. So he saw the
CD. Others say they saw it. Quit calling people liers and just deal with
the fact that He saw the disc and YOU didn't.
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Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 3:59
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Subject: aliens could have abducted you and implanted the memory
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Really-From: Steven Feldman
>Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:06:40 PDT
>Subject: Re: WTF?
>From: tadream mailing list
>Really-From: Max Amundo
>
> You know, I just joined this list about a week ago [. . .]
Welcome to our little zoo. Take care not to feed the polar bears,
no matter *how* cute they might look.
> Last gripe. This stupid thread about 'I saw The Keep'... 'No, you
>didn't'... 'Yes, I did, you stupid moron'... [. . .]
It's nice to have a fresh opinion on the matter (i.e. yours), at
least. ;)
>[. . .] Well, you were born 2 days ago, so philosophically speaking,
>aliens could have abducted you and implanted the memory... [. . .]
Now, *there's* a good one! Hee hee. :) :)
> Shut up! Who cares? You sound like a couple of kids. So he saw the
>CD. Others say they saw it. Quit calling people liers and just deal with
>the fact that He saw the disc and YOU didn't.
Well, that about says it all, doesn't it, boy and girls? ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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Date: Thu Jul 2, 1998 10:33
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Subject: Missing Digests - Majordomo trouble
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Really-From: 'Lawry Simm'
Could someone please send me the Digests 316 and 328.
For some reason I can't get them from majordomo. The request
is accepted and I get a message to say that it's coming separately,
but I never get it.
(Dave? )
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Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 12:09
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Subject: Re: Cities
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
At 08:28 AM 7/2/1998 -0700, Eli wrote:
> Recently inducted (1998)
>into the Academy of Vince Di Cola Enthusiasts (AVdCE).
>
That makes AT LEAST the three of us. :-)
Andrew
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>
>
> Now, it seems to me that the only non-witnesses of a 1984 KEEP LP
> which count re this argument are THOSE LIST MEMBERS WHO WERE ACTUALLY
> INTO TD IN 1984 AND LOOKING FOR TD ALBUMS IN 1984. That narrows the
> number from 382 considerably, seeing as some people on this list were
> not even *born* yet in 1984!
> So, those of you who did *not* see the KEEP album in 1984 yet were
> TD collectors in 1984--stand up and be counted.
>
> -- Steven Feldman
Oh Steve...PLEASE trim yer little signature at the end...I get so sick
of deleting it when I respond! Anyway, I began my TD experience in
1984...so I count when I say...It doesn't exist!
Dano
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> Really-From: 'Max Amundo'
>
> You know, I just joined this list about a week ago, and expected it
> to be SOMETHING like the Dream Theater list. Well, at first it was, but
> now I'm getting really pissed off. And you know what? I'll bet this is
> going to start a whole new thread of stupid comments because I, say,
> misspell a word?
>
> Let me clarify. I love this list, and the majority of the content is
> great. But I feel I have to comment.
>
> First, what the Hell business do people have advertising COMPLETELY
> un-TaDream-related shit like Pamela Anders... who gives a fuck? Get off
> our mailing list!
>
> Second, I can't BELIEVE the way that so many people on here are all
> 'Yeah, TD sucks bad. I'd go to a (insert name) concert any day before
> I'd see TD!' Why are you even here? I come here to talk to other
> dreamers about the GREATNESS of TD, NOT to hear people put them down.
>
> Last gripe. This stupid thread about 'I saw The Keep'... 'No, you
> didn't'... 'Yes, I did, you stupid moron'... 'Well, you were born 2 days
> ago, so philosophically speaking, aliens could have abducted you and
> implanted the memory... not that I believe in that...'
> Shut up! Who cares? You sound like a couple of kids. So he saw the
> CD. Others say they saw it. Quit calling people liers and just deal with
> the fact that He saw the disc and YOU didn't.
>
> -MAX AMUNDO... send hate-mail to
Erm...who the hell are you? Get back to lurking.
Dano
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In a message dated 98-07-02 16:10:36 EDT, you write:
<< Second, I can't BELIEVE the way that so many people on here are all
'Yeah, TD sucks bad. I'd go to a (insert name) concert any day before
I'd see TD!' Why are you even here? I come here to talk to other
dreamers about the GREATNESS of TD, NOT to hear people put them down.
>>
hehe....
Shut up! Who cares?
you said it, not me...
tom w
np: a time 4 heroes ( should i say 'thanx' e-man? u got the better end of that
deal)
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I don't know about anyone else but I'd rather know where or when I might be
able to find THE KEEP cd now,rather than whether or not someone saw it 14
years ago.Anyone have any ideas?
>THANKS!
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> Really-From: 'Max Amundo'
>
>
> You know, I just joined this list about a week ago, and expected it
> to be SOMETHING like the Dream Theater list. Well, at first it was, but
> now I'm getting really pissed off. And you know what? I'll bet this is
> going to start a whole new thread of stupid comments because I, say,
> misspell a word?
You're overreacting, amigo...by the way, I hear the Dream Theater list is
populated by many snobbish types...
> First, what the Hell business do people have advertising COMPLETELY
> un-TaDream-related shit like Pamela Anders... who gives a fuck? Get off
> our mailing list!
SPAMmers. Nothing more, nothing less.
> Second, I can't BELIEVE the way that so many people on here are all
> 'Yeah, TD sucks bad. I'd go to a (insert name) concert any day before
> I'd see TD!' Why are you even here? I come here to talk to other
> dreamers about the GREATNESS of TD, NOT to hear people put them down.
We all think TD is great, but we don't think ALL TD is great. That's the
difference.
> Last gripe. This stupid thread about 'I saw The Keep'... 'No, you
> didn't'... 'Yes, I did, you stupid moron'... 'Well, you were born 2 days
> ago, so philosophically speaking, aliens could have abducted you and
> implanted the memory... not that I believe in that...'
> Shut up! Who cares? You sound like a couple of kids. So he saw the
> CD. Others say they saw it. Quit calling people liers and just deal with
> the fact that He saw the disc and YOU didn't.
You should observe a little more before ranting. If it just boiled down to
a CD, Elder Feldman would have burned everyone CD-Rs by now. It's the issue
of a certain LP, fifteen years old, that many claim exists but nobody owns.
Continue observing/lurking...
E-Man
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> Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
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> np: a time 4 heroes ( should i say 'thanx' e-man? u got the better end of
that
> deal)
Well, either way, we both ended up with rarities :-)
E-Man
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tadream mailing list wrote:
> So, those of you who did *not* see the KEEP album in 1984 yet were
> TD collectors in 1984--stand up and be counted.
>
>
OK, I was a collector then, I saw it listed in a mailorderlist,I ordered it but
it
never showed up.
Micke
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>Really-From: 'Max Amundo'
(snip)
>Second, I can't BELIEVE the way that so many people on here are all
>'Yeah, TD sucks bad. I'd go to a (insert name) concert any day before
>I'd see TD!' Why are you even here? I come here to talk to other
>dreamers about the GREATNESS of TD, NOT to hear people put them down.
(snip)
Cool it down, Max... TD has made music since 1967. That´s a HUGE body of
work they´ve made and it is very unlikely that one person could think all of
it as totally fantastic and without any flaws...I love TD music as much as
you or even more, but I accept that others may think otherwise. This list is
about sharing views and info on TD and that allows some critisism here and
there... If you want to see just un-critical praise, you should stick to the
TD guestbook...in short: put up or shut up....:-)
Have some 'Zeit' and smile,
Ami
ps.
My guess is that Italy vs. France tonight will end 2-1 for Italy ;-)
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>>But, that doesn't mean that the tapes weren't sent to the presses in
>>anticipation of a release. That happens quite often.
>Can you give an example?
Regards,
Mike
How about the Soundtrack to the movie 'Missing'?
JJ
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'Lawry Simm' wrote:
> Could someone please send me the Digests 316 and 328.
>
> For some reason I can't get them from majordomo. The request
> is accepted and I get a message to say that it's coming separately,
> but I never get it.
I had problems with those particular digests too, I received them
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TD fan since 1983, never seen The Keep LP !
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>Really-From: 'Max Amundo'
Hi Max, welcome to the greatest source of TD info outside Ed's head. 8-)
> You know, I just joined this list about a week ago, and expected it
>to be SOMETHING like the Dream Theater list. Well, at first it was, but
>now I'm getting really pissed off. And you know what? I'll bet this is
>going to start a whole new thread of stupid comments because I, say,
>misspell a word?
Well, you got that right, didn't you. Unfortunately, when you make deliberately
inflammatory remarks from a position of admitted ignorance (in that you have
only been on the list for a week), then you are bound to be corrected or given
the wider picture.
> First, what the Hell business do people have advertising COMPLETELY
>un-TaDream-related shit like Pamela Anders... who gives a fuck? Get off
>our mailing list!
Unless you are completely new to computers, surely you must have seen this as a
SPAM and, as such, no-oen here appreciates them (well, except perhaps Dano and
Eli in this particular case 8-)).
> Second, I can't BELIEVE the way that so many people on here are all
>'Yeah, TD sucks bad. I'd go to a (insert name) concert any day before
>I'd see TD!' Why are you even here? I come here to talk to other
>dreamers about the GREATNESS of TD, NOT to hear people put them down.
If you'd been reading carefully you would have seen that this was, in fact, a
reappearace of the old 'how much does TD play live' debate, and a compairosn
with JMJ's live performances. Persons who said that they'd prefer to see
another artist instead of TD are entitled to their opinion - I believe this
list is for fans of TD and not necessarily people who think that TD is the
be-all-and-end-all of music. Finally, on this point, someone has already
mentioned that you will see (if you stick around) some massive differences of
opinion regarding TD's output over the last 30 years. I believe many people's
comments about live TD in the 90s relates as much to their disatisfaction with
the musical output of the era as to the 'live play' argument.
> Last gripe. This stupid thread about 'I saw The Keep'... 'No, you
>didn't'... 'Yes, I did, you stupid moron'... 'Well, you were born 2 days
>ago, so philosophically speaking, aliens could have abducted you and
>implanted the memory... not that I believe in that...'
> Shut up! Who cares? You sound like a couple of kids. So he saw the
>CD. Others say they saw it. Quit calling people liers and just deal with
>the fact that He saw the disc and YOU didn't.
Again, another situation where you have ranted without knowing the full story.
Steven Quest for the Holy Keep LP has been ongoing for as long as I've been on
this list (about 4 years, I thnk). His 'obsession' leads to lengthy, often
repetitive posts on a topic that many list members have given up caring about.
As a result, there is usually a brief spat, lasting about a week when things
heat up, and then it dies down again until Steven gets his latest bit of news.
Whilst some of the posters do so to rile Steven, others simply wish to state
that whilst Steven believes that the LP existd, others believe it does not. And
when Steven presents his case (for the umpteenth time), so the others present
their cases (for the umpteenth time).
I believe most on the list will be happy if and when Steve finally finds a copy
of the LP, and I believe Steve will be equally happy _not_ giving anyone a tape
of its contents! 8-)
Might I suggest, Max, that you consider the wider picture before lambasting the
long-time posters of this list? Your input to discussions will be welcomed
(have you ever seen/heard of a Keep LP, where and when have you seen TD live,
what attracts you to TD's music?) and I hope, with time, you'll see the list in
its true colours.
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Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 2:21
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Subject: the f'***ing keep lp
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personally i dont give a shit whether the keep was out on lp or not,i have
been into dream since 1975 and i have never seen it, on lp that is, i have
seen it on cd though at a klaus schulze concert. im sure there are plenty of
keep cdr boots about if someone is that desperate to get hold of the music.
nick
np red shift
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>
>
> Now, it seems to me that the only non-witnesses of a 1984 KEEP LP
>
> which count re this argument are THOSE LIST MEMBERS WHO WERE ACTUALLY
> INTO TD IN 1984 AND LOOKING FOR TD ALBUMS IN 1984. That narrows the
> number from 382 considerably, seeing as some people on this list were
> not even *born* yet in 1984!
> So, those of you who did *not* see the KEEP album in 1984 yet
> were
> TD collectors in 1984--stand up and be counted.
>
>
OK. Count me. I've been following TD since about 1977, buying
everything I could get my hands on until fairly recently. I'm fast
growing tired of Ed's marketing 'technique'. No Dream Dice for me,
thanks.
I never ran across 'The Keep', or I'd own it. I would have been in
college at the time and any TD LP I found would have been more important
than rent or food... I can't say it never existed, but I never saw it.
Later...
Tom
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tadream mailing list wrote:
> Really-From: 'Jim & Sew Fong Jordan'
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
>
> Really-From: Michael Fox
>
> >>But, that doesn't mean that the tapes weren't sent to the presses in
> >>anticipation of a release. That happens quite often.
Err...no it doesn't. I worked for a soundtrack producer and believe me,
rights were established LONG before anything gets sent to the plant for
production. Now, IF the Keep was sent out to someone for release or even
just a preview...I can guarantee you there would be a boot of it. How do
you think the boots like Blade Runner & Excalibur & Die Hard exist? A
recording gets out, probably to some OST producer, & then bam...he goes
to town. So, where's the Keep? The masters never got sent out.
Dano
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Date: Fri Jul 3, 1998 11:42
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Subject: Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984?
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Really-From: Stephen Yensen
Steve Feldman sez:
<<
So, those of you who did *not* see the KEEP album in 1984 yet were
TD collectors in 1984--stand up and be counted.
>>
I started collecting TD in 1974, but never saw the KEEP. Do I count?
<>
You mean there are list members 14 years of age and younger?
Steve, aged 45 (75 on a bad day).
Nottingham, UK.
p.s. Happy 4th of July to all the North Americans on the list.
Down with the British! (and before you flame me note my email address)
np: God Save The Queen!
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>Steve Feldman sez:
>
>So, those of you who did *not* see the KEEP album in 1984 yet were
>TD collectors in 1984--stand up and be counted.
Count me in, Stevo. I've been looking for EM stuff regulary at fleemarkets
in 1984 and did not see anything 'KEEP' related either.
Jens
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Really-From: Vic Rek
> Really-From: 'Max Amundo'
[...]
> Shut up! Who cares? You sound like a couple of kids. So he saw the
> CD. Others say they saw it. Quit calling people liers and just deal with
> the fact that He saw the disc and YOU didn't.
WTF? Nice way to introduce yourself. I hope you were having a bad day
when you wrote this. It's not easy being a TD fan, so why don't YOU
share us some thoughts about the group and not tell others to shut up?
Vic
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Subject: Miramar Video Album Collection
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There is a VHS NTSC Video box set out by Miramar titled 'Video Album
Collection'. The box set contains 3 videos (2 hr. 15 min. of music).
Canyon Dreams - Tangerine Dream
Natural States
Desert Vision
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 03:15 PM 7/2/98 EDT, you wrote:
> So, those of you who did *not* see the KEEP album in 1984 yet were
>TD collectors in 1984--stand up and be counted.
Not only was I collecting TD then, I was also half-owner of a record store.
We had many resourses for used/cut-out/etc lp's/CD's, both domestic and
import, as well as new product (ugh) and did a LOT of special ordering. Of
course I used these resourses for my own gain, i.e. TD, and have NO
recollection of ever seeing it mentioned. If I had seen it, there would
have been at least one copy in the store. Obviously, this is not a
diffinitive answer, but it was my own experience. Refute at will, Mr. Feldman!
Mike
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Really-From: Michael Fox
At 09:21 AM 7/3/97, you wrote:
>You must be 18 years or over to enter the hottest, sexiest
>site showing GERMAN GIRLS on the NET. Click me hard now. .
DAVID!! HELP!!
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In a message dated 98-07-03 04:14:35 EDT, you write:
<< Well, either way, we both ended up with rarities :-)
>>
at the rate im going, that kw show is not gonna be too rare...
tom w
np: joyride soundtrack
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In a message dated 98-07-03 05:03:19 EDT, you write:
<< My guess is that Italy vs. France tonight will end 2-1 for Italy ;-)
>>
hehe...werent you wrong....
tom w
np: replay of brasil - denmark....
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Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 12:23
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Subject: Re: THE KEEP
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At 11:44 PM 7/2/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Really-From: RBrown4856@a...
>
>I don't know about anyone else but I'd rather know where or when I might be
>able to find THE KEEP cd now,rather than whether or not someone saw it 14
>years ago.Anyone have any ideas?
You won't find a The Keep CD nowadays. CDs were not in common use 14 years
ago. The Cassette and LP are rare/nonexistant to the point that no-one on
the list has been able to produce a copy.
-Morgan
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Subject: Re: WTF?
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At 01:06 PM 7/2/98 PDT, you wrote:
>Really-From: 'Max Amundo'
>
> You know, I just joined this list about a week ago, and expected it
>to be SOMETHING like the Dream Theater list. Well, at first it was, but
Never heard of this list in my life. Is there any information you could
share with the list?
> Second, I can't BELIEVE the way that so many people on here are all
>'Yeah, TD sucks bad. I'd go to a (insert name) concert any day before
>I'd see TD!' Why are you even here? I come here to talk to other
>dreamers about the GREATNESS of TD, NOT to hear people put them down.
TD live is NOT live. it's a tape. I'd rather buy the CD than pay the time
money and expense to go and stand in an audience and listen to a tape.
-Morgan
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Subject: Re: TD Guest book entry.
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At 11:28 AM 6/30/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Really-From: RBrown4856@a...
>
>
>The only problem is Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and
>over and over.At least TD is music.I've tried to listen to KS because some
say
>he is better than TD.After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.
That's fine, but keep your opinions YOUR opinions. You do not speak for
Klaus Schulze fans. (I've only heard about 30 minutes)
-Morgan
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Subject: RE: TD Guest book entry.
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At 11:25 AM 6/30/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: Joel Mullen
>
>On Tuesday, June 30, 1998 10:27 AM, tadream mailing list
>[SMTP:tadream@c...] wrote:
>>
>> Really-From: J.Peschke@s...
>>
>> It's already gone...
>
>Those thin-skinned sons-uv -bitches can't handle any critisim can they!
>They certainly know what is *best* for their fans don't they! It reminds
>me of when mom covers your ears when your drunk uncle starts swearing
>at the dinner table.
The answer is simple. Write a cgi script that posts that message to the
guestbook every 6 hours.
-Morgan
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Subject: RE: TD Guest book entry.
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At 11:28 AM 6/30/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: J.E.Owens@A...
>
>
>Well it is a guest book, not a bitch n flame board!
It was not a bitch or a flame. It was a surprisingly calm commentary on the
rediculousness of this boxed set. The box is ACTUALLY about 60% previously
released and the rest has nary been touched by the creative process (in my
opinion!).
>I admit, I was a bit shocked at the price. But I hadn't been buying
>many new releases, so I only have the US version of Dream Mixes I
>(with only the one CD) so EVERYTHING in the set is new to me.
Why are these discs $19 each individually and $23 each in the box?
ESPECIALLY considering their profit margin is WAYYY higher than they would
be slurping through another label.
>Plus, by
>the time you buy 14 CDs (there should be 14 discs in the set: DM1 is 2
>CDs plus the bonus CD) at $17 (us) apiece, that comes up to $238, and
>you can't get the bonus CD separately!
Let me help you... they're $19 each, and the total price of the boxed set
is $300. Fellows, lets break out the CD burners. (I am not involved in any
pirating or duplication of official TD music. do NOT e-mail me requesting
such stuff)
>I've already ordered mine.
If you didn't already have the 2CD of Dream Mixes (disc 2 isn't worth $19
considering it's length), Ambient Monkeys, Timesquare, and Quinoa, then
yes, this box may just be worth it. But after the scathing reviews of
Atlantic , that's $40 I could be using on a
Playstation game, like Oddworld: Abe's Exxodus (Abe's Oddysee 2) or Metal
Gear Solid.
>If you don't like the price, order them individually, after the price
>comes down. Don't complain to the world at large because you aren't
>being treated fairly!
You will find that many of the people on this list fashion themselves as
commentators, including myself. Some have much experience in the music and
entertainment industry, some don't (I absolutely do not). As faithful fans
of TD who have purchased most of their music, this boxed set is a true
shame. I will continue to state that Tangerine Dream's BEST boxed set in
history (and probably ever, the way things are going), is Electronic Orgy.
It is a pity that Tangerine Dream was not involved in the production of
this. I would have GLADLY shelled out the cash if they had been on the end
of the money line...
If Chevy came out with a new Suburban which was smaller than a Nissan
pickup truck, there would be public outcry. Maybe on some other planet,
people would simply not buy the vehicles. But here on Earth, we also feel
the need to comment on this, write long magazine articles about it, and
even dedicate news segments about such an event and generally rant about
the state of product designers and placement experts.
-Morgan
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Subject: Re: Warsaw in the Sun 12' question
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At 12:39 PM 6/30/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: J.E.Owens@A...
>
>Hello,
>
> I just bought the 12' of Warsaw in the Sun. The melody in the
>title track sounds VERY familiar. Anyone happen to know where this
>comes from. I SWEAR I've heard that exact melody on a TD album before,
>but I can't remember which one. I went all the way through Exit and
>Hyperborea looking for it, but didn't find it.
>Also the 'Polish Dance' track sounds familiar, a bit like Exit (the
>track) but I'm not sure about that one either.
Well, Warsaw in the Sun is part of the Poland 2CD (first track, disc 2).
There were several variations of this track.
-Morgan
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Subject: Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984?
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Really-From: AOutland@a...
In a message dated 98-07-03 17:06:44 EDT, you write:
<< So, those of you who did *not* see the KEEP album in 1984 yet were
>TD collectors in 1984--stand up and be counted.
>>
I got into TD in 1980; however, by the time 1984 rolled around I was
living on a boat and not able to check any stores frequently for new TD stuff.
That's why most of my collecting has been within the last two or three years.
Therefore, I never saw The Keep since, if it existed, it would have been
yanked off the shelves too quickly. However, approximately 1987 I wandered
into a record store and found six TD LP's on sale $4 apiece. I bought them
even though I didn't have a phonograph to play them on. Managed to get a
cousin to record them for me, so to this date they have only been played that
one single time. Still have them. Too bad one of them wasn't The Keep. Dell
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Subject: Re: Cities
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Really-From: Mark Fonda
Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
> At 08:28 AM 7/2/1998 -0700, Eli wrote:
>
> > Recently inducted (1998)
> >into the Academy of Vince Di Cola Enthusiasts (AVdCE).
> >
>
> That makes AT LEAST the three of us. :-)
Make that FOUR. (Anything to divert the attention from THE K**P).
BTW, Steven, since you've devoted your life to the pursuit of this
dubious item, what on earth will you do with yourself if you ever
actually find the bugger?? (Hint: Maybe you should get a head start
on the situation and try having a real life).
Mark
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Subject: Re: POLL: Were You Into TD in 1984?
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FIRST HEARD TD 1973
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Subject: DD postponed indefinetly
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>Subj: RE: DD
>Date: 98-07-03 15:14:40 EDT
>From: apatters@t... (Archie Patterson)
>Reply-to: apatters@e...
>To: NVL77@a...
>
>Neil,
>I just got a phone call from Germany and the DREAM DICE set has been
>delayed indefinitely due to printing problems with the box itself.
>They said a few sets were made with 'bad boxes' and they went back
>to the printer to get it corrected and the printer ruined the films.
>So they have to be made again and it will 'take some time'.
>
>In future we'll see what happens. For now I'll refund money to >anyone
who paid cash for the set.
>
>Archie
Greetings,
Receieve the above e-mail from Archie at Eurock. Another TD
disappointment for those of us waiting patiently to receive
DD.
Neil
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Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
In a message dated 98-07-03 20:33:14 EDT, you write:
<< TD live is NOT live. it's a tape. I'd rather buy the CD than pay the time
money and expense to go and stand in an audience and listen to a tape.
>>
thats kinda harsh...it used to be live, 77 definately was, 86 was also...
tom w
np: wierd news:
July 3, 1998
Dear Friends,
I'm afraid I have some bad news. I just received a phone call from TDI in
Germany and it seems they are having major production problems with the
DREAM DICE box set. In particular the printing of the artwork has been
botched by the company responsible, the print film has been damaged and now
needs to be laid out, re-shot, re-printed, etc. The end result is a delay
of unspecified time before the sets will be ready.
I was also told that a few sets were shipped out, then the decision was made
to re-do the printed matter and delay release until a future date.
In light of this problem and the uncertainty as to exactly when the set will
be available again I am refunding you the pre-paid amount you sent me . If
you were going to pay with a credit card, of course you have not been
charged. Please forgive this problem, the situation is out of my control.
TD has now cancelled all their recording contracts and distribution
agreements around the world as Edgar seems to want to handle his own
business. On the basis of this DREAM DICE affair I question his wisdom. I
for one will certainly proceed with caution in dealing with TDI in the
future.
Sorry for this inconvenience!
Archie Patterson
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Subject: Re: TD Guest book entry.
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In a message dated 98-07-03 20:37:59 EDT, you write:
<< >Really-From: RBrown4856@a...
>
>
>The only problem is Klaus Schulze is nothing but monotonous noise over and
>over and over.At least TD is music.I've tried to listen to KS because some
say
>he is better than TD.After about 10 minutes I want to blow my brains out.
>>
hey...please...be my guest...where are you? ill send the bullets.....or would
you rather use some high grade bolivian coke? whatever takes you out....
tom w
np: anne clarke - r.s.v.p.
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THE MUSIC WORLD WOULD BE SERVED BETTER IF YOU WOULD SEND THE BULLETS AND COKE
TO KLAUS SCHULZE.MAYBE JUST THE BULLETS BECAUSE HE PLAYS LIKE HE'S HAD MORE
THAN ENOUGH COKE.
>RICK
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Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 4:23
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Subject: Re: TD Guest book entry.
In light of the very recent developments regardng the delay of the Dream
Dice set....at least Klaus and his mgr Klaus Mueller say what they are
going to do ,when they are going to do it...AND THEN DO IT!!! Also, may
I suggest KS cds: Are you sequenced, and Beyond Recall ...cut entitled
Brave Old Sequence....could change your opinion.
Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions
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THE MUSIC WORLD WOULD BE SERVED BETTER IF YOU WOULD SEND THE BULLETS AND COKE
TO KLAUS SCHULZE.MAYBE JUST THE BULLETS BECAUSE HE PLAYS LIKE HE'S HAD MORE
THAN ENOUGH COKE.
>RICK
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I have been a TD collector somewhere around 1982 even though I had bought
Rubycon in the late 70's. I never ran across the Keep LP or Cassette...
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> From: tadream mailing list
>
> In light of the very recent developments regardng the delay of the Dream
> Dice set....at least Klaus and his mgr Klaus Mueller say what they are
> going to do ,when they are going to do it...AND THEN DO IT!!! Also, may
> I suggest KS cds: Are you sequenced, and Beyond Recall ...cut entitled
> Brave Old Sequence....could change your opinion.
>
> Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions
Hi, everyone...
Not to intrude on the Klaus Schulze vs. TDI discussion, but in lieu of the
rug being yanked out from beneath DREAM DICE, and since people have got
money coming back to them, and alternate musical choices (see above) are
being recommended, may I suggest three amazing, must-have CDs (I believe
Eurock & Minnette Music still have them):
Mark Shreeve: COLLIDE
Paul Nagle: THE LIVE ELEMENT
Vince Di Cola: TRANSFORMERS (Original Soundtrack --- available at
http://www.botcon.com)
--- End of Commercial ---
:-)
E-Man
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At 11:24 PM 7/3/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Really-From: TWeibre361@a...
>
>In a message dated 98-07-03 20:33:14 EDT, you write:
>
><< TD live is NOT live. it's a tape. I'd rather buy the CD than pay the time
> money and expense to go and stand in an audience and listen to a tape.
> >>
>
>thats kinda harsh...it used to be live, 77 definately was, 86 was also...
TD from 1990-present is a tape. I would sell my soul to travel back in time
and see a 1975-1985 concert.
-Morgan
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>Really-From: 'neil vanlaten'
>>Subj: RE: DD
>>Date: 98-07-03 15:14:40 EDT
>>From: apatters@t... (Archie Patterson)
>>Reply-to: apatters@e...
>>To: NVL77@a...
>>
>>Neil,
>
>>I just got a phone call from Germany and the DREAM DICE set has been
>>delayed indefinitely due to printing problems with the box itself.
{snip}
>
>Greetings,
>
>Receieve the above e-mail from Archie at Eurock. Another TD
>disappointment for those of us waiting patiently to receive DD.
>
>Neil
HaHaHaHaHa! 'patiently'?! Rolling on the floor!!
HoHoHoHo... Now, *that's* funny!
'patiently' HeHeHeHe... ;-)
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Subject: KEEP OFF THE KEEP!
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Really-From: Alistair Hull
'nuff said.
Alistair Hull
Metro Region, Little Falls, NJ
Lawson Software
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> Really-From: feldon@p...
>
> TD from 1990-present is a tape. I would sell my soul to travel
> back in time
> and see a 1975-1985 concert.
>
> -Morgan
I know how you feel, Morgan.
We're just too damn young! I would do almost anything to see a
70s, begin 80s show.
(luckily I saw Shreeves performance on Alpha Centauri with the Big Moog)
If just Edgar would release such a video.......
Wouldn't mind the bad quality.
What ever happened to the rumor about Edgar releasing a video about
the European tour from last year?
Marcel
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[Mr. Peterson of www.eurock.com]
>>I just got a phone call from Germany and the DREAM DICE set has been
>>delayed indefinitely due to printing problems with the box itself.
Huh ?
Well 3 of 4 printed sides are looking pretty good but
it might be the case the 4th printed side is bad printed:
The one with a small Uncle Sam in the background has an odd looking stripe
(about 1,7*11 cm) were the colours are misprinted (green/pink instead of
orange/red).
Thought it's part of the image/an effect.
>>They said a few sets were made with 'bad boxes'
Would be interesting, how many sets they already sent off.
Are there any other listmembers than the 3 Germans
(Hans-Peter, Michael and me) who already got it ?
I know some Brits already got it (TD's guestbook)....
Those who saw the DD box in 1998, stand up and be counted. ;-);-)
On another note, the first single new_TDI_items appeared in my local
store (WOM, that is) for DM 38 each, none of the previously unreleased albums
(Hollywood suckfest 1/2, Quineo, Transsiberia, though.
Ob: Football: France vs. Brasil is still a possible final !
What a great game Denmark vs. Brasil was !
A most excellent performance of the Danish team.
Kind Regards
Jens
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Subject: A dicey project......
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Hi,
This latest DD problem seems to typify the whole project. Shouldn't the
boxes have been checked before they went out? This sounds like a bit of
a story to me. Does anyone have the box and can they comment?
I hope that there are no other, more serious problems. When has anyone
seen a record company plan to put out 25 albums in 1 year from 1 artist?
I am not talking about the KS boxes, they were planned limited editions
which they presumably fixed their numbers at for what they thought they
could sell. We have had no indication that this huge TD release will be
limited. No major label does this, it is not considered financially
viable, average fans do not buy this many (even 12) CDs from 1 artist in
a year (we on this list are different, those that plan to buy DD that
is, and do not typify the average TD buyer).
It must be a massive financial investment (for a newish label) to plan
so many releases, are they being too ambitious in being able to press
enough copies of all these albums for general release? This venture has
always struck me as being rather odd. Could this be a prelude for a lot
of very limited release albums?
You never know, the Hollywood Years CDs may be 'The Keep' lp of the next
decade!
Comments and flames awaited ;-)
Regards,
Daniel
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In a message dated 98-07-03 23:59:30 EDT, you write:
<< THE MUSIC WORLD WOULD BE SERVED BETTER IF YOU WOULD SEND THE BULLETS AND
COKE
TO KLAUS SCHULZE.MAYBE JUST THE BULLETS BECAUSE HE PLAYS LIKE HE'S HAD MORE
THAN ENOUGH COKE. >>
but he never said he'd blow his brains out...
tom w
np: ks - historic edition (happy fourth!)
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In a message dated 98-07-04 02:30:50 EDT, you write:
<< ><< TD live is NOT live. it's a tape. I'd rather buy the CD than pay the
time
> money and expense to go and stand in an audience and listen to a tape.
> >>
>
>thats kinda harsh...it used to be live, 77 definately was, 86 was also...
TD from 1990-present is a tape. I would sell my soul to travel back in time
and see a 1975-1985 concert.
>>
agreed...but to sell your soul? don't KEEP wishing those things...
tom w
np: ks - historic edition
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In a message dated 98-07-04 05:37:47 EDT, you write:
<< Ob: Football: France vs. Brasil is still a possible final !
What a great game Denmark vs. Brasil was !
A most excellent performance of the Danish team.
>>
yeah, especially the missed 3:3 at the end standing right in front of the
goal...
tom w
np: the croatian national anthem
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Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
> Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
> Would be interesting, how many sets they already sent off.
> Are there any other listmembers than the 3 Germans
> (Hans-Peter, Michael and me) who already got it ?
> I know some Brits already got it (TD's guestbook)....
>
> Those who saw the DD box in 1998, stand up and be counted. ;-);-)
You better KEEP that box, Jens.
You never know if it's going to be as rare as a certain LP.
> Ob: Football: France vs. Brasil is still a possible final !
> What a great game Denmark vs. Brasil was !
> A most excellent performance of the Danish team.
Yep, was great.
In 2 hours or so - Holland against Argentinia.
Hmmmm, difficult one...let's hope.
Marcel
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Subject: Re: DD box witnesses, stand up and be counted ;-) was DD postponed
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>
> Would be interesting, how many sets they already sent off.
> Are there any other listmembers than the 3 Germans
> (Hans-Peter, Michael and me) who already got it ?
> I know some Brits already got it (TD's guestbook)....
>
I've got my set some weeks ago (same time as Jens got it). Unfortunately I
can't comment on it in the moment because it is in Germany and I'm in
Malaysia...
Ingo
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Subject: Re: OFF SUBJECT WORLD CUP
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OK OFF SUBJECT BUT IT WAS MENTIONED HERE FIRST..
WHATS THE DEAL WITH SOCCER(FOOT BALL IN EUROPE) ITS A BLOODY GAME AND PEOPLE
FIGHT AND RIOT OVER IT..
I THOUGHT REDNECKS WERE ONLY IN THE US..
GUESS PEOPLE WITH SMALL IQs ARE EVERYWHERE..
ITS A GAME , A STUPID GAME !!!!!!!
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Subject: Re: TD Guest book entry.
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Really-From: David Datta
The reason it was removed is pretty simple, they said they won't accept
postings related to TDI in the TD Guestbook. There is another guestbook
message that they replied to where they said this. I don't know why
everyone is complaining.
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Subject: Off topic: caps lock rantings
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Really-From: 'Jens Peschke'
>Really-From: RBrown4856@a...
>
>THE MUSIC WORLD WOULD BE SERVED BETTER IF YOU WOULD SEND THE >BULLETS AND COKE
>TO KLAUS SCHULZE.MAYBE JUST THE BULLETS BECAUSE HE PLAYS LIKE HE'S >HAD MORE
THAN ENOUGH COKE.
>
>>RICK
Really-From: SRiser3600@a...
>OK OFF SUBJECT BUT IT WAS MENTIONED HERE FIRST..
>WHATS THE DEAL WITH SOCCER(FOOT BALL IN EUROPE) ITS A BLOODY GAME AND >PEOPLE
FIGHT AND RIOT OVER IT..
>I THOUGHT REDNECKS WERE ONLY IN THE US..
>GUESS PEOPLE WITH SMALL IQs ARE EVERYWHERE..
>ITS A GAME , A STUPID GAME !!!!!!!
Rick and that unnamed sriser36 thingy, would you please stop these *Caps lock
rantings* ?
Ta in advance !
How about constructive, informative e-mails instead ?
Jens
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Subject: JMJ never did an album called Turn Of The Tides!
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Really-From: 'Max Amundo'
It seems many fans aren't really fans of TD and are really fans of
Chris Franke. I wish more TD would be live, too. But who would they get
to play it? Personally, all of my band's live music will be completely
live. I would still kill to see TD live, though. Coming back to America
anytime soon?
Now I'm gonna get it. I got into TD in 1994 when I first heard Turn
of the Tides. So that means I'm young. 18 in August. I was born
yesterday, and I don't like it. I have since discovered how great their
earlier stuff is. But at first I acted like I didn't like it because it
wasn't the same, and they had 'too many' CDs. But TD doesn't do the same
album twice (Miracle Mile & Melrose?) My point is that I honestly think
a lot of people say the newer stuff sucks because it puts a limit on the
# of albums they have to get. And I already know this will be denied, as
I did too. But maybe I'm just wrong (c:]>*
My favorites are Poland, Rockoon, and Tournado. And for those who
might be interested, they're going back underground. If you hear
TimeSquare & stuff, they're going more 'Blue Years' sounding again.
When I first heard Optical Race, I didn't like it. But I've learned to
listen to music for what it is, so I do like it now, especially Marakesh
and Sun Gate.
Dream Theater isn't for most people on here. I'm surprised anyone
recognized the name at all. I'm sure a lot of you recognize the bands
Kansas...Rush...Queensryche..., well, Dream Theater are the leadres of
the Prog-Metal movement in the '90s, a heavy music that's actually
music, not a bunch of crap like Pantera or something. They're better
than the previous bands, and are almost as beautiful and more driving
than TD. Overall my favorite band. I'll send more on them when people
know me a little better.
No list is filled with snobs, and there are only a couple there. The
fact is, while 80% of the fans here are great, this list has lots of
snobs on it. Way more than the other. And I'm sorry if I've been
sounding like one too. For the one guy who was told to shut up, you're
right. TD is great music, and almost no-one can touch it. If my
signature thing works, it's what I wrote to Dream Theater when I was
talking about TD. And once again, sorry if I've been sounding like a
snob. If I don't get slammed a lot, I can ask things like:
Are there any stores in the US (california specifically) that will carry
TDI releases? And Underwater Sunlight, too. I need that one.
ThanX. TaDream Rules. Now my signature...
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Really-From: feldon@p...
At 10:57 AM 7/4/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Really-From: dan.cor@v...
>
>Hi,
>
>This latest DD problem seems to typify the whole project. Shouldn't the
>boxes have been checked before they went out? This sounds like a bit of
>a story to me. Does anyone have the box and can they comment?
Especially since Eddie and Jerry *supposedly* held each box in their hands
and signed them!!!
>It must be a massive financial investment (for a newish label) to plan
>so many releases, are they being too ambitious in being able to press
>enough copies of all these albums for general release? This venture has
>always struck me as being rather odd. Could this be a prelude for a lot
>of very limited release albums?
Dream Dice is not 'releases'. It's a safe semi-rerelease. Instead of a
totally new release box.
>You never know, the Hollywood Years CDs may be 'The Keep' lp of the next
>decade!
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Subject: JMJ never did an album called Turn Of The Tides!
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Really-From: 'Max Amundo'
One more thing... NOBODY SPAMS YTSEJAM! That's the Dream Theater
list. Inside info: their name used to be Majesty. They did an
instrumental jam after becoming DT where they called it Majesty
backwards.
I think it's just too weird how the 2 best bands on Earth both have
Dream in the name.
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Subject: Fwd: Re: WTF?
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Really-From: 'Max Amundo'
>From cruggiero@s... Thu Jul 2 17:47:23 1998
>Received: from oemcomputer (hrfr-sh2-port193.snet.net [204.60.8.193])
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> for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:47:20 -0400 (EDT)
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>Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 20:42:33 -0400
>From: Carlo Ruggiero
>Reply-To: cruggiero@s...
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>Max,
>
> You are not the only one who is sick of the bitching and moaning. I
>recently re-joined the list after a few months off, because I got
>nothing out of it. No news or information about where to get TD stuff,
>who to trade with, etc. I often wonder why I still remain on the list,
>but as you said sometimes there are entries which make it worth it.
> I have contacted a few people off list and they have been fine.
>Unfortunately, there are many who seem to have nothing better to do
than
>ruin it for the rest of us. I know that everyone is entitled to their
>own opinion, but sometimes it gets ridiculous with what these guys are
>saying. How can they call themselves TD fans if all they do is
complain
>that everything since 1985 has sucked. Yet, it is these same assholes
>(!) that prevent real fans from getting their hands on some rare items
>that they most likely will not enjoy, but want to brag about what they
>have in their collection. So believe me when I tell you that I am a
>true fan of TD; I have been a fan since '85-'86; first exposure was
>Rubycon, first purchase Underwater Sunlight and Poland 2LP picture disc
>and my collection continues to grow. Thanks again for writing what I
>have been thinking about this list for the past three weeks.
>
>Carlo Ruggiero
>cruggiero@s...
>
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Subject: Re: TD Guest book entry.
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At 09:51 AM 7/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Really-From: David Datta
>
>The reason it was removed is pretty simple, they said they won't accept
>postings related to TDI in the TD Guestbook. There is another guestbook
>message that they replied to where they said this. I don't know why
>everyone is complaining.
TD is trying to make a separation between its right index finger and its
right thumb. Well, it makes an excellent excuse to delete negative
comments. Comments about TD music affect TD. It's one thing for an artist
to say he won't accept comments about his label, if it's, say Geffen
Records. It's quite another if he runs the label.
-Morgan
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Subject: Off-Topic - Congratulations to the Dutch!
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Really-From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
Congratulations to the Dutch contingent (Marcel, Kees, etc.): Holland
played a superb game!
Andrew
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Date: Sat Jul 4, 1998 4:40
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Subject: Re: WTF?
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> Really-From: 'Marcel Engels'
>
> > Really-From: feldon@p...
> >
> > TD from 1990-present is a tape. I would sell my soul to travel
> > back in time
> > and see a 1975-1985 concert.
> >
> > -Morgan
>
> I know how you feel, Morgan.
> We're just too damn young! I would do almost anything to see a
> 70s, begin 80s show.
Would it change your style of music? I'll build you a time machine if it
does. ;-)
Dano
From:
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Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 7:28
am
Subject: Dark Side Of The Moog VII
OK, now that everything seems to be returning to normal, I'd like to comment
on DSOTM VII, the latest collaboration between Klaus Schulze and Peter
Namlook, with a little help from Bill Laswell. I was really impressed with
this album, which is the first of the DSOTM series that I've heard.
Unfortunately, it was the only Namlook item at the store. A few years back
(94, maybe) I bought a copy of Alien Community I+II, another of Namlook's
releases, and I enjoyed that quite a bit as well. What other recordings by
Namlook should I get. In particular, where can I get some of the other DSOTM
releases? May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
From:
JMPoer From: 'Joe Shoults'
>
>hello
>
>is everybody comfortable with the user profiles being visible?
>
It's fine with me.
John
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 1:27
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Subject: I'm here too
I see we are now 25 here, Dave Datta has turned his list active again, which
list will you people use?
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From:
'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Nigbur [mailto:dn3@u...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 8:08 AM
> To: Joe Shoults
> Subject: Re: new TD list
>
>
> Do you mean to say that the TD mailing list has been shut
> down completely?
>
> Dennis
>
> [...]
From:
Jeffrey Au-Yeung From: Sean Montgomery
>
> There's one piece of news to report right away, and it comes direct from
> the TD web page.
>
> +++ 15/Mar/1999 +++
>
> TD live performance at the 'KlangArt Festival'
>
> Tangerine Dream want to announce their performance at this year's
> 'KlangArt Festival', a four- day multimedial happening of modern
> contemporary music. The festival will take place from June 10th to June
> 13th, 1999, in the 'Stadthalle' of Osnabrueck and various other locations
> around this German town. Tangerine Dream will perform there on Saturday,
> June 12th, at 9:00 PM, as the headlining act. They will play a previously
> unreleased piece called 'Mars Polaris'. This is the first time since 1982
> that TD will present their audience a completely new production in
> concert.
>
> 'Mars Polaris' will be approximately 100 minutes long. Edgar and Jerome
> Froese have worked on this composition since August 1998. The journey of
> NASA's spacecraft, 'Mars Polar Lander', to the red planet as well as some
> still mostly unknown aspects about this most important of Earth's
> neighboring planets provide the inspirational base for this musical story.
> We will provide you with more details on this page soon.
>
> On the visual plain, there will be lots to experience during the TD-
> performance - we hope that we will be able to leave all people in the
> audience spellbound. The concert will be divided into two parts and the
> accompanying music will be released as a double- CD. The whole piece will
> see its world- debut at the KlangArt Festival. As a bonus for our fans, we
> will start a competition soon. The winner will receive two plane tickets
> plus hotel to this event - no matter from which part of the gobe he or she
> originates. Unfortunately, we have to tell you that this concert will be
> the only chance to see TD live in Europe in 1999. Due to differences
> between TD and the tour agency that couldn't be overcome, we had to cancel
> the tour that was planned for April and there is no time on TD's agenda
> for more shows.
>
> Ticket and info- Hotline:
> Tel: +49.541.205.1007
> E-mail: klangart@o...
>
> -Sean
The words 'competition', 'two planes ticket plus hotel' and 'only chance to see
TD live in Europe in 1999' are the summarising keywords...
So any implication for concerts outside Europe?
Jeffrey
From:
Joel Mullen
Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 3:50
pm
Subject: New vs Old tadream list
Hello all-
Now that the old list is up and running I would just
like to state that Joe and I are still intent on keeping this
new list running too. We will do our best to make it an
easier TD resource for us all to use. The old list will be
watched and relevent information will be passed to the new
one. So if you are afraid that you will miss something we
are doing our best to make sure that you are not. At least
in the TD news, new releases, trade list areas. Details are
still being worked out and a general invitation will eventually
be sent to the entire old tadream list once we get some of
the problems taken care of. Now that the old list is going
again there is no longer a sense of immidate urgency.
Regards,
Joel
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 5:46
pm
Subject: Re: Regarding Muse Top Albums
Just so you know, you can go back and change your Top 10 Picks at any
time. The albums that you pick are just listed alphabetically, so you're
not giving extra weight to one on them by clicking on it first. The
overall Top 1000 is continuously updated, and I think it's just assembled
from the frequency that each of them appears in people's lists.
I'm quite pleased that Tangerine Dream is now invading the Top 1000! A
week ago, none of their albums appeared, and now there are 12!!
Tangram 240
Logos 294
Force Majeure 317
Pergamon 360
Poland 485
Ricochet 585
Underwater Sunlight 586
White Eagle 965
LiveMiles 966
Phaedra 967
Hyperborea 968
Encore 1000
Some fine selections! Whoever wins this contest is going to get an
instant TD education.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 5:52
pm
Subject: Double posting
Unfortunately, there might be the problem of double posting, where someone
feels they have to post the same emails to both TD lists. If this happens,
we'll all be getting a hoard of unneeded mail & we'll
probably be forced to unsub from one of the lists...so I would just like to
request that people keep their posts on one list or the other because most of
us are subbed to more than one EM list...& we have no
desire to see carbons of the exact same emails on all the lists every day. Of
course urgent info would be the exception. Any thoughts on this?
Regards,
Dano
--
Dan J. Schulte
Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi
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Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 6:27
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Subject: Test
Hi
test message
Glyn
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~smorton/ggm/index.html
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From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 6:54
pm
Subject: Re: Double posting
> Unfortunately, there might be the problem of double posting,
> where someone feels they have to post the same emails to both TD
> lists. ...
> Dano
...
I personally don't see a problem, as long as my delete button still works!
;-)
But seriously, we'll see how things go. I certainly want to see this list
thrive, but that doesn't necessarily mean I want the old list to die.
People will choose what they see as benefitting them most. As I mentioned
before, the features on the onelist.com site are cool, but we are also
planning the expansion of the tadream site, as well, possibly to include a
traders section and a links list (I just added your page, Dan), as well as
possibly a site feedback/suggestions section. What I want to avoid is a
dilution of list participation due to too many options. It is all about
strengthening the community.
-Joe
From:
JMPoer
Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 6:59
pm
Subject: Re: I'm here too
Why not both?
John
>From: geir.smedsrud@s...
>
>I see we are now 25 here, Dave Datta has turned his list active again, which
list will you people use?
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Tue Mar 16, 1999 7:41
pm
Subject: Re: Double posting
> I personally don't see a problem, as long as my delete button still works!
> ;-)
Actually, I should have used my head for a second before double-posting.
Even if our delete keys *are* all functional, why wear them out
pointlessly? :-)
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
tadream@v...
Date: Wed Mar 17, 1999 4:06
am
Subject: New List
Ok, here I am.(waving my invitation) Are we going to use this list or the other
since it has been restored? Am I being off-topic? Damn...oh OK, let me
see...umm, I really like the beginning of Track 5 on 220 Volt....David
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From:
Jeff Stevenson
Date: Wed Mar 17, 1999 6:30
am
Subject: Re: New List
Hmm... Well, we could talk about CDR burning...
Heheheh.
At 04:06 AM 3/17/1999 -0000, you wrote:
>From: tadream@v...
>
>Ok, here I am.(waving my invitation) Are we going to use this list or the
other since it has been restored? Am I being off-topic? Damn...oh OK, let
me see...umm, I really like the beginning of Track 5 on 220 Volt....David
>
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>Thank you.
>
From:
rzanelli@h...
Date: Wed Mar 17, 1999 8:49
am
Subject: Re: Regarding Muse Top Albums
>From: Sean Montgomery
>
>Some fine selections! Whoever wins this contest is going to get an
>instant TD education.
>
How about voting en masse for Electronic Meditation? We don't want to make
life *too* easy for whoever wins? ;-)
R
From:
Jeffrey Au-Yeung
Date: Wed Mar 17, 1999 10:22
am
Subject: Re: Regarding Muse Top Albums
Sean Montgomery wrote:
> From: Sean Montgomery
>
> Just so you know, you can go back and change your Top 10 Picks at any
> time. The albums that you pick are just listed alphabetically, so you're
> not giving extra weight to one on them by clicking on it first. The
> overall Top 1000 is continuously updated, and I think it's just assembled
> from the frequency that each of them appears in people's lists.
>
> I'm quite pleased that Tangerine Dream is now invading the Top 1000! A
> week ago, none of their albums appeared, and now there are 12!!
>
> Tangram 240
> Logos 294
> Force Majeure 317
> Pergamon 360
> Poland 485
> Ricochet 585
> Underwater Sunlight 586
> White Eagle 965
> LiveMiles 966
> Phaedra 967
> Hyperborea 968
> Encore 1000
I chose Pergamon, Force Majeure and added Stratosfear among my choices. I even
added Schulze's Timewind but found that nobody voted him at all.
Jeffrey
From:
'nick adams'
From:
Joel Mullen From: 'nick adams'
>
> Hi Guys
>
> I Am here as well, on digest mode at the moment
though...........I
> see on the onelist site that there are 2 TD lists, .? one is called the
> tadream list run by joe shoults and the other is called the
tangerinedream
> list run by joel mullen ? or are they the same ? anyway i haved subbed
to
> both,
>
> forever dreaming
> Nick
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ideas on how we can improve ONElist?
> http://www.onelist.com
> Check out the Suggestion Box feature on our new web site
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and
appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream
website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm
> Thank you.
From:
'Joe Shoults' From: AslanFan1@a...
>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:40:28 EST
>
>NOW, for some TD content. Anybody else here disappointed that TD has broke
>with tradition in releasing live albums that are no longer only new
material?
>I hate the thought of putting out a live release that only has short
segments
>of new material.
Personally, I think it's great, as long as it is not 'tangentized'. Granted
we have a healthy TD bootleg community going here, but it's good to get
newly released older stuff from the source. The Grateful Dead (another very
healthy bootleg community) started doing this a few years ago: even though
many already have the bootleg versions, the 'From the Vault' series and
'Dick's Picks' series are immensely popular and of superior quality.
Hopefully, TD will follow suit. For example, how cool would it be for the
famous Royal Albert Hall show to be released?
joe shoults
From:
'Joe Shoults' I Am here as well, on digest mode at the moment
> though...........I
> see on the onelist site that there are 2 TD lists, .? one is called the
> tadream list run by joe shoults and the other is called the tangerinedream
> list run by joel mullen ? or are they the same ? anyway i haved
> subbed to
> both,
>
Joel and I are moderators on the tadream@o..., and he is owner of
tangerinedream@o... He and I discussed the possibility of opening
multiple lists, but we decided against it, as we think it would dilute
participation. I think he is removing tangerinedream@o... and moving
over any non-repetitious members, but I'm not 100% sure (joel?).
-joe
From:
'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message-----
> From: AslanFan1@a... [mailto:AslanFan1@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 10:47 AM
> To: joes@c...
> Subject: Re: Invitation to join tadream@o...
>
>
> How is this list different from the one I am currently subscribed to?
>
Look at the footer of any message from the old tadream list. The list owner
of the old tadream list does not even read or participate in the list. He
has had to step in and chastise the group recently, and on occasions in the
past, but only when members notify him of the shenanigans (had to use that
word since it's St. Patty's Day!). That is why the off-topic garbage gets
out of hand. This new list at tadream@o... is moderated by people
who are *active* on the list and really care. And in case you are worried
about power-mad moderators, don't fret! We are not what I would call 'OT
Nazis'- we advocate self-policing- but we are HERE in case things start
getting crazy. It won't take a week (or more!) of trudging through personal
attacks, flame wars, and off-topic impertinent sexual discussions to get
back on topic.
In addition, there are some cool features to being a onelist member.
Procedurally, once you register as a onelist user, you then subscribe to
tadream. But you also have a multitude of other lists at your fingertips.
List members now have easier access to new and simple browser-based features
that are more readily accessible than on the old list, including being able
to:
* view archives through your browser (no need to waste your disk space!),
* Post Messages through your browser,
* add Bookmarks (a compendium of website links submitted by group members),
* view member's profiles, and
* very easily change/configure your subscriptions and settings.
Or you can simply use it in the traditional way, via e-mail.
If anything is confusing, or you have e-mail but no browser, let me know and
I can subscribe you personally.
I noticed that there is a new thread on the old list that asks where people
are from. This info is already available with the new list, as members have
the choice to include any aspect of their personal profiles that they want-
or remain completely private.
Ultimately, people will choose what benefits them the most. I personally
see more individual USAGE benefits to members in the new list, but for now,
there is still better VOLUME in the old list, primarily due to the numbers.
There are 381 members in the old list, and 51 in the new list, after only 2
days. That tells me that people DO want an alternative, but it will take a
little time for the rest to see the benefits and cross over. The people
that have joined so far happen to be the most active folks from the old
list. You can see a list of everybody that has joined, and their profiles,
once you have registered at onelist.com. Also, I 'listed' the list with
several major list lists (haha), so we should attract brand new members. If
anyone out there can help by listing us with major search engines, please go
ahead and do it (and let me know).
Finally, as list owner, I feel kinda funny sending this missive to the old
list, like I am surreptitiously taking something away from Dave Datta (the
old list owner) so I won't (although he probably wouldn't know). We all owe
a debt of gratitude to Dave for hosting the old list, but with the new list,
our intentions are to improve the sense of community here, as well as
member's options and benefits. If anyone here encourages old list members
to cross over, that is their individual choice.
Also, I don't know how likely this is, but we are lobbying TD themselves for
recognition, since the old list was banned from the TD website. We don't
intend to make it an obsequious 'ass-kissing' site or list, but we'll see
how it goes...
OK, I'll shut up now. Does this answer your question adequately?
By the way: apologies to those who have already joined but received the
invite.
-joe
From:
Jeff Stevenson From: Joel Mullen
>
>Nick and others-
> tadream is the only onelist site that we are currently running.
>I formed tangerinedream at the same time Joe was forming the tadream
>onelist (actually a 1/2 day later or so) I have not taken the time to
>delete the *extra* list yet. I may just keep it for the name for now. I
>hope that clears up any confusion. Joe and I are working together on
>the new tadream list. However right now he is doing most of it!
>
>Joel
>
>On Wednesday, March 17, 1999 5:04 AM, nick adams [SMTP:nicad@c...]
>wrote:
>> From: 'nick adams'
>>
>> Hi Guys
>>
>> I Am here as well, on digest mode at the moment
>though...........I
>> see on the onelist site that there are 2 TD lists, .? one is called the
>> tadream list run by joe shoults and the other is called the
>tangerinedream
>> list run by joel mullen ? or are they the same ? anyway i haved subbed
>to
>> both,
>>
>> forever dreaming
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Ideas on how we can improve ONElist?
>> http://www.onelist.com
>> Check out the Suggestion Box feature on our new web site
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option, and
>appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream
>website at http://members.theglobe.com/joe532/tadream.htm
>> Thank you.
>
>
>
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>Thank you.
>
From:
'Joe Shoults'
From:
'Jim Moore'
From:
'Joe Shoults'
From:
Joel Mullen
From:
Joel Mullen Joel and I are moderators on the tadream@o..., and he is owner of
> tangerinedream@o... He and I discussed the possibility of opening
> multiple lists, but we decided against it, as we think it would dilute
> participation. I think he is removing tangerinedream@o... and moving
> over any non-repetitious members, but I'm not 100% sure (joel?).
So far everyone that has subbed to the tangerinedream list subbed to the
tadream list at the same time. I will be letting them know that it is not
neccesary to sub to tangerinedream at all. However I might hold onto
the name for a while in case we need it. Or because I am too lazy to do
anything about it ;-) Just kidding. It might be better if I did get rid of it
as
it might just cause confusion. As it already has...
Joel
From:
Joel Mullen
From:
Joel Mullen From: 'Joe Shoults'
>
> anybody got any good stories about 'turning people on' to TD?
>
The women in our neighborhood go walking 4-5 miles every day
(yes a lot of tight buns around here) and one of them was describing
what type of relaxing music she wanted to find and my wife said that
it sounds like Tangerine Dream. So I lent her my Grammy Block. She
liked it and taped it. That bootlegger!
Joel
From:
Joel Mullen From: Jeff Stevenson
>
> There is also a tadreamofftopic group.
Yes there is. If anyone wants to talk trash go over there. Irreverence
is welcomed with open arms at tadreamofftopic. Sub at your own risk ;-)
Joel
From:
'Dan J. Schulte' From: Joel Mullen
> Yes there is. If anyone wants to talk trash go over there. Irreverence
> is welcomed with open arms at tadreamofftopic. Sub at your own risk ;-)
Yes, there we talk about Star Wars, what happened to the Cranberries, what the
rainbow really symbolizes, the latest VH1 behind the music, why iggy pop is
still alive, as well as other topics I can't mention
here. The traffic is light, so sub away. You never know when you might wanna
continue a discussion here that has nothing to do with the Tangs. ;-)
Dano
--
Dan J. Schulte
Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi
From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
Date: Thu Mar 18, 1999 6:11
am
Subject: Re: discovering kindred spirits
Joel Mullen wrote:
>
>
> I work in outside sales for an industrial supply company. From time
> to time we have to travel with *factory people* from our suppliers. I was
picking
> up 2 guys from their hotel to go to a customer and one of them says 'Is that
> Tangerine Dream?' as Dream Sequence was playing in my car. We had an
> all-too short conversation about TD (mostly soundtrack stuff) before we got to
> where we were going. TD is weird that way. People don't feel the same
connection
> when they hear Garth Brooks....
>
Yeah, Eli does when he listens to Brandy. ;-p
Dano
--
Dan J. Schulte
Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi
From:
'Glyn G. Morton'
Date: Thu Mar 18, 1999 7:10
am
Subject: Where`s ..........
Hi there
noticed that a 'where do we live' thread is on the go on . Well for info I`m
originally from Liverpool England, but now live in Southern Ireland. I was
wondering though, has there ever been any efforts to trace all the copies of
the Limited World Tour Edition 1997 or the Shepherds Bush CD? I suppose the
same for the TDI edition of The Keep. Also has anyone the complete list, or
where can I find it of all the past members and contributors to Tangerine
Dream`s recordings/live performance.
Cheers
Glyn
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~smorton/ggm/index.html
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From:
'Kevin Jowers'
Date: Thu Mar 18, 1999 7:33
am
Subject: Newest Member
I'm curious as to how many of us are here??
Let's start living the DREAM!!!
Kevin
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From:
Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
Date: Thu Mar 18, 1999 8:44
am
Subject: Re: discovering kindred spirits
>From: Joel Mullen
>TD is weird that way. People don't feel the same connection
>when they hear Garth Brooks....
>
You're right. I've mentioned to someone before that if you see someone wearing
a TD shirt in the street, you go up and talk to him/her. If you saw someone
wearing an Oasis (the group) T-shirt, you wouldn't. Not because you don't like
Oasis (the group), but because there are so many of them you wouldn't have the
same bonding as you do with TD.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g...
Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187
Alenia Marconi Systems
Simulation and Training Division
Donibristle, Fife, Scotland
-------------------------------------------------------------
From:
Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
Date: Thu Mar 18, 1999 8:48
am
Subject: Re: Where`s ..........
>From: 'Glyn G. Morton'
>
>I was
>wondering though, has there ever been any efforts to trace all the copies of
>the Limited World Tour Edition 1997 or the Shepherds Bush CD? I suppose the
>same for the TDI edition of The Keep.
That sounds like quite a challenge. You could certainly start it here (and on
the other lists), but with 1000 Shepherd's Bush CDs and 5000 WTE CDs, I dont
know how you'd complete the listing.
I have one of each so if you want numbers and details, let me know.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g...
Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187
Alenia Marconi Systems
Simulation and Training Division
Donibristle, Fife, Scotland
-------------------------------------------------------------
From:
'Joe Shoults'
> From: 'Kevin Jowers'
>
> I'm curious as to how many of us are here??
>
> Let's start living the DREAM!!!
>
> Kevin
>
From:
'Plumer, Scott' It is really neat running into other EM and TD fans by accident. Last
night
>I went to the airport to pick up an instructor I contracted to teach a
class
>for me. I was playing TD Cleveland '86 show in the car and in the middle
of
>our conversation, he asked me, 'Is that Klaus Schulze you're playing?' I
>just laughed and knew I liked the guy already. Turns out he's into Ozric,
>Ashram, and the rest.
Speaking of which, I always wished that TD sold stickers for one's car.
Deadhead, Phish Phans, Nine Inch Nailers all have stickers, how come
Dreamers don't? I'd really like to get one of those black-on-white, oval,
European country letter stickers (D for Germany, etc.) with the letters
'TD.' I saw Phish last fall, and it's amazing how many home-grown Phish
sticker there are. What's it take to make stickers? Maybe I'll make some. If
TD ever tours the states again, I'll sell them to finance touring with them.
:-)
Scott
From:
'Plumer, Scott' anybody got any good stories about 'turning people on' to TD?
I wonder if I'lll become the ScubaChris of this list? :-)
I have four stories:
First, my 10th-grade English teacher saw I was wearing a TD button. She
asked me what is was, I told her, and she said they sound interesting and
asked me to tape some stuff for her. I did, she said she liked it and was
going to get more. I think I taped Exit and Thief for her.
Second, I was the 'engineer' for morning announcements in high school. The
announcements would be lead into by music, have music playing in the
background, and concluded with music. You can guess who was heavily
featured! Several people asked me who it was, and most of them seemed
interested.
Third, when I went away to college (Ohio University, class of '90), my
brother gave me some great advice: to meet people, put on some of your
favorite tunes, open your dorm door, and just wait. I did that, and met a
number of people that way who seemed interested in TD. One of them I
married!
Fourth, a few months ago, I was trading Phish tapes with some dude from
Indiana. He saw what a large list of TD tapes I had, and asked me about
them. (He'd never heard of them) I made him a tape of Montreal '77, and he
loved them! I also wrote a short biography for him. I just hope he hears
more '70s era first, before he listens to the '90s stuff!
I have a couple other stories, but I'll shut up for now.
Scott
From:
rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx
Date: Thu Mar 18, 1999 1:36
pm
Subject: Stickers (was: discovering kindred spirits)
>From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>Speaking of which, I always wished that TD sold stickers for one's car.
Deadhead, Phish Phans, Nine Inch >Nailers all have stickers, how come
Dreamers don't? I'd really like to get one of those black-on-white, >oval,
European country letter stickers (D for Germany, etc.) with the letters
'TD.' I saw Phish last >fall, and it's amazing how many home-grown Phish
sticker there are. What's it take to make stickers? >Maybe I'll make some.
If TD ever tours the states again, I'll sell them to finance touring with
them.
>:-)
>
How about organizing a 'sticker tree' ???
R
From:
Marcelo Gutierrez From: Glyn G. Morton
> To: Tadream ; Tadream List
> Subject: [tadream] Where`s ..........
> Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 2:10 AM
>
> From: 'Glyn G. Morton'
>
> Hi there
>
> I was wondering though, has there ever been any efforts to trace all the
copies of
> the Limited World Tour Edition 1997 or the Shepherds Bush CD?
I do not know how many were actually printed of the Limited Tour edition
but my copy says 561 or so (I am not sure of the actual number) of 1000.
Marcelo
From:
'Plumer, Scott' I've finally to hear a piece of this (thanks, Herr Rutka!), and if the rest
>of the piece is as good as this segment, then that was one incredible
>song... Any word on the complete piece showing up yet?
Jimbo, did I miss something? How'd you get to hear this?
Scott
From:
'Plumer, Scott' wondering though, has there ever been any efforts to trace all the copies
of
>the Limited World Tour Edition 1997 or the Shepherds Bush CD? I suppose the
>same for the TDI edition of The Keep. Also has anyone the complete list, or
>where can I find it of all the past members and contributors to Tangerine
>Dream`s recordings/live performance.
The copies that were sold at the shows were probably payed for in cash, so
there would be no way of tracing those. LWTE and Shep I got through CDNow,
and the Keep I got from either Lawry Simm or Dennis Nigbur, I forget which.
Scott
From:
'tom george'
From:
'Hassinen Ami'
From:
Joel Mullen
From:
'Glyn G. Morton' >wondering though, has there ever been any efforts to trace all the copies
of
>>the Limited World Tour Edition 1997 or the Shepherds Bush CD? I suppose
the
>>same for the TDI edition of The Keep.
>
>That sounds like quite a challenge. You could certainly start it here (and
on
>the other lists), but with 1000 Shepherd's Bush CDs and 5000 WTE CDs, I
dont
>know how you'd complete the listing.
>
>I have one of each so if you want numbers and details, let me know.
HiCraig and all
I suppose if I thought everyone with a copy would have access to Tadream or
Tadream@o... then I`d have a go. But that`s probably where it would fall
on it`s pants. So never mind.
From:
'Plumer, Scott' Quite interesting to see that majority of those list members who did state
>their age for the 'profile' seem to be in their early thirties...me too!
Was
>there a lot of sun spot activity in mid 60´s or what??? ;-)
It's called 'The Summer of Love.' :-)
Scott
From:
'Plumer, Scott' I would like to particpate in the *sticker tree* but I do not
>have adhesive capabilities. I would be willing to send 2
>sheets of blank paper for one sticker plus a stamp for
>postage.
Hey, let's not jump the gun here! I don't even know how to make the damn
things yet! When and if I do, you guys will be the first to know. Of course,
ideas are always welcome.
Scott
From:
Sean Montgomery anybody got any good stories about 'turning people on' to TD?
I used to be a TD proselytizer in high school. I made mix tapes for
friends, complete with custom-made labels. I inserted the band's name
into daily conversations. I wore their T-shirts, and inserted their logo
in graphic design work I did for the school. But my efforts were to be
mostly unrewarded. While some of my friends thought their stuff was okay,
I never made a fan out of anybody.
In time though, I came to see this as a benefit. Liking TD meant that I
had a band to call my own. They weren't being thrust down my throat by
the dark forces of the global music industry. I could listen to them on
my own terms.
Ultimately, I think that the band's music truly appeals to a rather small
group of people. But in the end, these people somehow manage to find
out about TD, and experience the 'aha!' that comes from hearing music
that speaks to you.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
Joel Mullen From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> >I would like to particpate in the *sticker tree* but I do not
> >have adhesive capabilities. I would be willing to send 2
> >sheets of blank paper for one sticker plus a stamp for
> >postage.
>
> Hey, let's not jump the gun here! I don't even know how to make the damn
> things yet! When and if I do, you guys will be the first to know. Of course,
> ideas are always welcome.
>
> Scott
>
Geeezz Scott I was just kidding around. *<|:-) You know? Plug in 'CD-R' for
'sticker',
'burning' for 'adhesive' and you have the typical post regarding a new project.
Add
in my cheap-ass offer of 2 blank sheets of paper and you have a joke. I only
wished
I had complained that I did not have access to one-sided glossy paper and I
needed
a URL of the best on-line supplier. So no pressure, just having a little fun!
Regards,
Joel
:-)
From:
'Joe Shoults' >Quite interesting to see that majority of those list members who
> did state
> >their age for the 'profile' seem to be in their early thirties...me too!
> Was
> >there a lot of sun spot activity in mid 60´s or what??? ;-)
I think it simply has a lot to do with the demographics of who's online. If
Phaedra made the UK top 10, those people have to still be around
_somewhere_, don't they? I'm 32, was 7 when Phaedra came out, and not a TD
consumer then. So, who was buying it? Our parents and people who are in
their mid-40's now- who were probably in college then. Either these people
have better things to do than waste time in fan listservs (like us Gen-X
slackers), or they have forgotten about TD.
...or they are the paranoid technophobic types who think that if they reveal
their age in the profile, some hacker punk will swoop down and wipe out
their bank account or something. ;-)
-joe
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From:
'Joe Shoults' > >I would like to particpate in the *sticker tree* but I do not
> > >have adhesive capabilities. I would be willing to send 2
> > >sheets of blank paper for one sticker plus a stamp for
> > >postage.
> >
> > Hey, let's not jump the gun here! I don't even know how to make the damn
> > things yet! When and if I do, you guys will be the first to
> know. Of course,
> > ideas are always welcome.
> >
> > Scott
>
> Geeezz Scott I was just kidding around. *<|:-) You know? Plug
> in 'CD-R' for 'sticker',
> 'burning' for 'adhesive' and you have the typical post regarding
> a new project. Add
> in my cheap-ass offer of 2 blank sheets of paper and you have a
> joke. I only wished
> I had complained that I did not have access to one-sided glossy
> paper and I needed
> a URL of the best on-line supplier. So no pressure, just having
> a little fun!
>
> Regards,
>
> Joel
>
> :-)
From:
'tom george' their mid-40's now- who were probably in college then. Either these
people
>have better things to do than waste time in fan listservs (like us
Gen-X
>slackers), or they have forgotten about TD.
>
>...or they are the paranoid technophobic types who think that if they
reveal
>their age in the profile, some hacker punk will swoop down and wipe out
>their bank account or something. ;-)
now now easy Joe....
i am 47 years old and was 18 or 19 when 'Electronic
Meditation' came out. i was in the army in Frankfurt Germany at the time
and yes i bought it. i also bought everything else they have come out
with since. by the way; i still listen to it (E.M.) and like it. i am
not afraid of anyone coming down on my bank account cause i make sure it
stays depleted all the time. anyway i must have missed the profile
thing. anymore old fogeys out there? tom
NP-Modeski, Martin & Wood-'Combustication'
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
From:
Frederic Yargui
>
> I would like to particpate in the *sticker tree* but I do not
> have adhesive capabilities. I would be willing to send 2
> sheets of blank paper for one sticker plus a stamp for
> postage.
>
> I am sorry if this posting is coming late, but I missed
> the STK-R tree sign-up.
>
> PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!
>
> ;-)
From:
'Plumer, Scott'
Can anyone explain this story? I've missed the train too... BTW I have a
software with such printing capabilities... many sorts of stickers are
possible
Fred
From: Joel Mullen
>
> I would like to particpate in the *sticker tree* but I do not
> have adhesive capabilities. I would be willing to send 2
> sheets of blank paper for one sticker plus a stamp for
> postage.
>
> I am sorry if this posting is coming late, but I missed
> the STK-R tree sign-up.
>
> PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!
>
> ;-)
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JMPoer From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>>anybody got any good stories about 'turning people on' to TD?
Back in the mid 70's, right after Ricochet came out, I was running a crew
setting up a truly awesome sound system in a campus theatre. It was nearly
2:00am when we were finished rigging and started testing. The theatre was 'on
campus' and nowhere near where anyone lived so we put on a tape of Ricochet and
really leaned HARD on the amps (you never know which one might be waiting to
fail, do you :-) ).
The sound was just flat AWE inspiring! Hypnotic. We didn't want to turn it
off. I'm not sure we COULD have turned it off.
Then we realized that people were drifting in from the outside (the stage had
huge loading doors at the back and all the doors were open to the street).
By the time the tape ran out we had 25 or 30 people in the audience....just
sitting there with their mouths open. When the music stopped they all just sort
of walked out stunned....sort of like after an accident.
Three guys in lab coats (chem lab next to the theatre) stopped and asked who
the music was from.
I don't know if we converted anyone or not, but we sure as hell got some
attention.
John
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
From:
Frederic Yargui From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> Actually, Fred it was a joke, but based on a real idea. The idea was to make
> up for the lack of merchadising by TD by making our own stuff. I thought of
> stickers first, after seeing all the home-made stickers on VW vans at a
> Phish concert last summer.
>
> Scott
>
>
Yes, I understood it but a bit late (as usual, time for impulse to get to the
brain :-)
What size would be the stickers? What quality (ordinary, photo?)
We do not have only 80min cdrs here in France. Wa also have many many
manufacturers of miscellaneous papers...
So, will the stickers-dream come true (up to a tree) hihihaha a *good* joke...
Cheers,
Fred
From:
PENFOLD At 09:29 AM 3/18/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>>From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>>>anybody got any good stories about 'turning people on' to TD?
I was spinning the title track from _Green_Desert_ whilst working the board at
the radio station (unlicensed) Frequency Publica at the 1997 Burning Man
Festival
A bald gentleman with the apt moniker of Egg (I found out later that he's from
the LA area as am I) wandered by the station (it's open air) and was drawn in
by the music.
He inquired as to the group and was quite taken aback when he found out it was
TD and was even further taken aback when I answered his question as to when it
was recorded.
Another TD/Burning Man incident was at the last brunch in our village, the
Blue Light District 2.0 (aka Burning Man 1998) we had one of our villan's
DJ-ing. I was behind her making some decorative cheap-ass blue mushrooms (the
Blue Mushroom's the symbol of our village) and she mentioned that she like the
Orb, but hadn't heard the TD/Orb CD. Since I had dragged out almost my entire
collection of TD out to Burning Man, I lent her the CD to spin. Her comment
after playing it was that it was 'Nice refreshing and juicy'
I hope to convert more people to TD @ the '99 Burn. If you happen to be at the
'99 Burn, look me up in the Blue Light District 3.0 (My wife and I are the
Postmen of the Playa, not the Disgruntled Postal Workers) or tune into
Frequency Publica (late night, that's usually when I DJ) and say 'HI'
DJ Dreamhead
Pete Isaacson
mailto:penfold@a...
http://www.artnet.net/~penfold/dev/null/youwatcha-u-see404.html
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road.
If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
-- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to
take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine.
From:
Jens Peschke
From:
'Dan J. Schulte' From: Jens Peschke
>
> Hi folks,
>
> as to all these suggestions for the sampler, I think
> Joel and the contributers should be the only people voting
> for the title. Or just Joel, if there's no 'dream' in it,
> it's fine by me. ;-)
Oh yeah, no kidding. Let's face it, all the decent euphemisms have been taken.
Why doesn't anyone use the Tangerine part?? In any case, anything without a
reference to either word would be much more creative,
IMO.
>
> Oh, yes. Of course, this list is the only td list I'm subscribed too.
> Why ? We've list admins who care. ;-)
Me too...I unsubbed from tadream today. 'Farewell and adieu to you fair spanish
ladies, farewell and adieu to you ladies of Spaaaaain.'
Now perhaps since I'm on this list certain people will navigate to the 'other'
list or avoid this one like the plague...which would suit me (& others)
wonderfully. ;-)
> Dano
--
Dan J. Schulte
Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi
From:
'Kevin Jowers'
From:
'Gerry Fox' I think it simply has a lot to do with the demographics of who's online.
If
>Phaedra made the UK top 10, those people have to still be around
>_somewhere_, don't they? I'm 32, was 7 when Phaedra came out, and not a TD
>consumer then. So, who was buying it?
I was
I have just turned 46 and must have been 20/ 21 when Phaedra came out - I've
bought every album since. Now I am avidly collecting bootlegs and CDRs -
and making them. I hope this list can be as productive in sourcing material
for trees as the other list; I'm staying on both to cover all the bases.
Gerry
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'nick adams' anyway i must have missed the profile
>thing. anymore old fogeys out there? tom
Well I am 39 in 2 weeks time, does that class me as an old fogey, :-) i hope
not, i didn't buy phaedra when it first come out, but i did Ricochet that
was because i heard it on the radio, and thought man that is superb, i went
straight out and baught both Ricochet & Rubycon, then a couple of weeks
later baught phaedra.
Regarding the profile bit when you sign up, it was nothing to do with
paranoia, it was down to time, i intend to go back when i have more of it
and fill that bit in, if you can that is. ( i think i put my name in and
that
was all.)
Regards
Nick
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'nick adams' wet scuba dreams?).
HAHAHAhaha...........that made me howl, i vote for that one.
Nick
NP..Phaedra
From:
'Joe Shoults' > I was wondering though, has there ever been any efforts to
> trace all the copies of
> > the Limited World Tour Edition 1997 or the Shepherds Bush CD?
if somebody out there is willing to write the script, I'll put it on the
listserve homepage, then people could 'register' their copies at the site to
keep track of them. Contact me off-list.
Are they numbered?
-joe
From:
'Joe Shoults' Oh, yes. Of course, this list is the only td list I'm subscribed too.
> Why ? We've list admins who care. ;-)
>
> Maybe someone (Joe or Joel ?) finally sets up a list_web_page
> with member mugshots, compilation details (incl. mpeg bits),
> reviews, td related stories like 'we nerds having fun at Osnabrueck
> until we were running out of beer', poll results and other bobs.
Thanks for the suggestion, Jens! While the onlelist profiles section has no
utility for this (I'll make the suggestion), I certainly can do it on our
site at http://www.members.theglobe/joe532/tadream.htm. I just put up
Rainer's pic. If you would like a link to your site and/or a pic posted,
just e-mail them to me at joes@c... Limit pic size to 100x100.
> Mark Fonda did that quite sucessfully for his e-prog mailing list.
what's the URL?
> The onelist shared folders could be used for bigger files
> (sounds and piccies) or even the whole site.
The onelist shared folders section is only 5 megs, and is not protected. I
actually wanted to ask you folks for your suggestions on what to do with
this space. I can't really put the site there, becasue anyone could delete
it (correct me if I'm wrong). Suggestions?
-joe
From:
'Plumer, Scott' The onelist shared folders section is only 5 megs, and is not protected. I
>actually wanted to ask you folks for your suggestions on what to do with
>this space. I can't really put the site there, becasue anyone could delete
>it (correct me if I'm wrong). Suggestions?
Geocities.
Scott
From:
Marcelo Gutierrez if somebody out there is willing to write the script, I'll put it on the
> listserve homepage, then people could 'register' their copies at the site
to
> keep track of them. Contact me off-list.
> Are they numbered?
>
Yes, they are, they have stamped on the back something like '#### of 5000'
Marcelo
From:
rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx
Date: Fri Mar 19, 1999 1:29
pm
Subject: Re: ages of list members (was 'wants-list')
>From: 'Joe Shoults'
>
>...or they are the paranoid technophobic types who think that if they
reveal their age in the profile, >some hacker punk will swoop down and wipe
out their bank account or something. ;-)
>
...or they are the paranoid technophobic types who think computers are evil
(eg. my father...)
How can one like TD and still be technophobic...???
R
From:
Jens Peschke From: 'Joe Shoults'
> site at http://www.members.theglobe/joe532/tadream.htm. I just put > up
Rainer's pic. If you would like a link to your site and/or a
> pic posted, just e-mail them to me at joes@c... Limit pic
> size to 100x100.
Will do soon.
> > Mark Fonda did that quite sucessfully for his e-prog mailing list.
>
> what's the URL?
http://www.geocities.com/~e-prog/
> The onelist shared folders section is only 5 megs, and is not
> protected. I
> actually wanted to ask you folks for your suggestions on what to do >
with this space. I can't really put the site there, becasue anyone > could
delete it (correct me if I'm wrong). Suggestions?
As Scott said: http://www.geocities.com, they are limited to 11 MB,
though.
;-)
Regards
Jens
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From:
Jens Peschke From: 'Joe Shoults'
> site at http://www.members.theglobe/joe532/tadream.htm. I just put > up
Rainer's pic. If you would like a link to your site and/or a
> pic posted, just e-mail them to me at joes@c... Limit pic
> size to 100x100.
Will do soon.
> > Mark Fonda did that quite sucessfully for his e-prog mailing list.
>
> what's the URL?
http://www.geocities.com/~e-prog/
> The onelist shared folders section is only 5 megs, and is not
> protected. I
> actually wanted to ask you folks for your suggestions on what to do >
with this space. I can't really put the site there, becasue anyone > could
delete it (correct me if I'm wrong). Suggestions?
As Scott said: http://www.geocities.com, they are limited to 11 MB,
though.
;-)
Regards
Jens
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From:
'Plumer, Scott' As Scott said: http://www.geocities.com, they are limited to 11 MB,
>though.
I think they're up to 20MB. That's where I have my pages.
Scott
From:
Stephen Yensen
From:
Jens Peschke From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> >As Scott said: http://www.geocities.com, they are limited to 11 MB,
> >though.
>
> I think they're up to 20MB. That's where I have my pages.
Could be. I lost track when they have been expanded from 7 to 11 MB.
But they are just too darn slow for bigger mpeg files, everthing
less than 500 kB works fine, though.
Regs
Jens
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From:
'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@c...]
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 10:41 AM
> To: tadream@o...
> Subject: TEST to check for attachments
>
>
> TEST
>
> I am attaching a text file containing only the word 'test', to
> verify that onelist does not forward attachments to the list
> members. I have no idea if this is true or not, but if it
> doesn't, we will never have to worry about all that happy99 virus
> type of stuff...
>
> -joe
From:
XxphyIeX@xxx.xxx
Date: Fri Mar 19, 1999 3:48
pm
Subject: Re: TEST to check for attachments
In a message dated 3/19/99 10:44:56 AM EST, joes@c... writes:
<< File: test.txt (4 bytes)
DL Time (38400 bps): < 1 minute
TEST
I am attaching a text file containing only the word 'test', to verify that
onelist does not forward attachments to the list members. I have no idea if
this is true or not, but if it doesn't, we will never have to worry about
all that happy99 virus type of stuff... >>
yes indeed the sending files to the list does work...
but if someone signs on as a digest recipient
he will not ever need to worry about such a thing
again...
u can set up the list or fix it so that files can not
be uploaded to others on the list i believe...
im trying to create another list myself.. on onelist
but i am having a problem..
i keep getting the error..
An Error Has Occured
There was a problem with the database. Please try again later.
i have been getting this error for 2 days now...
any suggestions? i hope it is them and not me...
From:
Joel Mullen As Scott said: http://www.geocities.com, they are limited to 11 MB,
> though.
> ;-)
>
> Regards
>
> Jens
actually 12 MB and for $5 a month or so they don't have pop-up windows
and you get 25MB.
Joel
From:
Jeff Stevenson
From:
'Kevin Jowers' Well since this is a truly on topic list, thought I'd float an idea.
>
>How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to
>distribute boots? I know this was floated a year or two ago, but got
>lukewarm interest. I know that my collection has a lot of holes in it that
>I'd really like to fill and it is sometimes something of a pain to track
>down people to trade with.
I for one would be interested IF it was only CDR. The reason I didn't
participate in the 'other' tree was the # of generations you lost before you
got your copy on analog tape.
>np: Bourbon Street Atari Party....nice boot. Very clean recording of the
>'88 OR tour.
Thanks Jeff!!!
From:
'Plumer, Scott'
Well since this is a truly on topic list, thought I'd float an idea.
How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to
distribute boots? I know this was floated a year or two ago, but got
lukewarm interest. I know that my collection has a lot of holes in it that
I'd really like to fill and it is sometimes something of a pain to track
down people to trade with.
Any interest now?
Jeff
np: Bourbon Street Atari Party....nice boot. Very clean recording of the
'88 OR tour.
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From:
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From:
'Joe Shoults' How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to
> distribute boots? I know this was floated a year or two ago, but got
> lukewarm interest. I know that my collection has a lot of holes
> in it that
> I'd really like to fill and it is sometimes something of a pain to track
> down people to trade with.
>
> Any interest now?
>
> Jeff
I could only be a leaf at this point, but I'm interested.
-joe
From:
XxphyIeX@xxx.xxx
Date: Fri Mar 19, 1999 4:40
pm
Subject: Re: Tree
im interested in getting some shows on cdr.. altho i dont have
the ability to make cdrs and i dont have any boots yet on cd
of anyone.. i have some on tape but currently im not able to
copy even my tapes...
however.. i do have some videos that i can offer in trade to
anyone interested in that...
i have 3 td videos.. and 3000 others...
if anyone is interested in trading videos for videos or
cdrs of high quality boot cds.. for videos.. im game...
if anyone is interested in my video list.. please email me
at xxphyiex@a... and ask me for my video list.
note.. i will sell my videos.. also... but i always prefer to
trade for videos that i dont have..
and since i have never even seen a cdr.. im very interested
in these as well...
and talk about holes in a collection... i have a nice
collection of td albums and cds.. but the holes in it are
as big as the grand canyon...
From:
gary allen From: Jeff Stevenson
>
> Well since this is a truly on topic list, thought I'd float an idea.
>
> How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to
> distribute boots? I know this was floated a year or two ago, but got
> lukewarm interest. I know that my collection has a lot of holes in it that
> I'd really like to fill and it is sometimes something of a pain to track
> down people to trade with.
>
> Any interest now?
>
> Jeff
>
> np: Bourbon Street Atari Party....nice boot. Very clean recording of the
> '88 OR tour.
>
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From:
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Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: Invitation to join concerts_on_vhs@o...
Hello,
I would like to invite you to join the concerts_on_vhs mailing list.
The description of this mailing list is:
---thanks for joining my list. i know one of u was on my other list but i had a
problem with that one and it was unresolvable so now i have a new list and this
is the welcome message.. help spread the word.. i am not able to get a list of
the names that were on my first list to let all 50 of the people on that one
know about the new one. messages sent to the old list will never appear and u
will never get mail from that list. since it was a moderated list and i am
unable to moderate it any longer so this is the welcome message. Please take a
moment to read this message. if u want to send a message to the list--address it
to: concerts_on_vhs@o... and please change the subject line accordingly.
i know i tend to delete mail that doesnt have a subject line that interests me
and with all the junk mail we are all getting it sure makes it easier to know
what the mail will be about before opening it. i personally can only read .txt
files and .wri files but please if u wish to send a file
You can join this list by going to the following web page:
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If you do not wish to join this list, please ignore this message.
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From:
'Joe Shoults' I can't really put the site there, becasue anyone
> could delete
> >it (correct me if I'm wrong). Suggestions?
> Geocities.
> Scott
I was wrong. You cannot delete each other's files from the Shared section.
So, consider this our 'community bookshelf'. If space becomes a problem,
we'll cross that bridge when we come to it (maybe monthly purge).
As for the tadream site, it is safe in theglobe account (very similar to
geocities). But my webmaster has said he would help by hosting it here (I
work at an internet development firm), I'll still have to cough up the $70,
if I want to register it as tadream.org, but for now, it can be
tadream.copfer.com. much simpler, and I have access to http server
extensions that will enhance functionality. I'll kepp you all posted.
-joe
From:
Joel Mullen
From:
'Hassinen Ami'
From:
'Glyn G. Morton' From: Jeff Stevenson
>
>Well since this is a truly on topic list, thought I'd float an idea.
>
>How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to
>distribute boots? I know this was floated a year or two ago, but got
>lukewarm interest. I know that my collection has a lot of holes in it that
>I'd really like to fill and it is sometimes something of a pain to track
>down people to trade with.
>
>Any interest now?
>
> Jeff
>
>np: Bourbon Street Atari Party....nice boot. Very clean recording of the
>'88 OR tour.
>
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>
From:
'Jens Peschke' Count me in.
Glyn and others, do us a favour and don't include all of the posting
you're responding to.
Look at what is attached on each e-mail !!!!!
Thank you for listening
Regards
Jens
From:
'Dan J. Schulte' From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
> > Count me in.
>
> Glyn and others, do us a favour and don't include all of the posting
> you're responding to.
>
> Look at what is attached on each e-mail !!!!!
>
> Thank you for listening
Yeeehahahaha!!
Dano
np: Picko's Nemesis....A fraggin stonker!
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Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi
From:
'Dan J. Schulte' From: 'Hassinen Ami'
>
> sorry for the off-topic introduction, but if you´re able to hear the German
> Radio program 'Electrobeats' you should tune in at 3.00-4.00 AM next Monday!
> Then you´ll hear a track by me (Nemesis: 'Return of the Neuronengesang')
>
What the hell is a neuronengesang? Just curious, heh.
Dano
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Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi
From:
'Dan J. Schulte' From: Jens Peschke
>
> > From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> >
> > >As Scott said: http://www.geocities.com, they are limited to 11 MB,
> > >though.
> >
> > I think they're up to 20MB. That's where I have my pages.
>
> Could be. I lost track when they have been expanded from 7 to 11 MB.
> But they are just too darn slow for bigger mpeg files, everthing
> less than 500 kB works fine, though.
He's right, they putz along...but just make more html page links & you'll keep
it moving. They are up to 11 MB as far as I know...at least on my page they are.
Dan
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Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi
From:
KMu9978842@xxx.xxx
Date: Fri Mar 19, 1999 6:46
pm
Subject: Re: Tree
Greetings from Hamburg !
I'm afraid I dont have anything to trade (at present), but I'd be very
interested in helping out with copying and forwarding on to others on the list
here in Germany.
By the way, are you all planning to meet up in Osnabruek in June ?
Kelvin
From:
JMPoer From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
>
>What the hell is a neuronengesang? Just curious, heh.
>
>Dano
Just guessing, but what's left of my German suggests that it means 'Mind
Singing' or 'Brain Song' or something like that.
John
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
From:
JMPoer From: 'nick adams'
>>thing. anymore old fogeys out there? tom
>
I'm a couple of months from 59.
Do I win?
John
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
From:
JMPoer From: Jeff Stevenson
>down people to trade with.
>
>Any interest now?
>
> Jeff
>
I would be interested in a tree. I'm trying to get the cash to buy a CDR burner
now (still no color printer). If I DO get one I would try to be a branch,
otherwise I'll just have to be a leaf.
Thanks.
John
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
From:
Marcelo Gutierrez From: 'Glyn G. Morton'
>
>
> Count me in.
>
> Glyn
>
>
>
Me too.
Marcelo
From:
JMPoer
From:
'Thomas Bertilsson' From: Jeff Stevenson
>
>Well since this is a truly on topic list, thought I'd float an idea.
>
>How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to
>distribute boots? I know this was floated a year or two ago, but got
>lukewarm interest. I know that my collection has a lot of holes in it that
>I'd really like to fill and it is sometimes something of a pain to track
>down people to trade with.
>
>Any interest now?
>
> Jeff
>
>np: Bourbon Street Atari Party....nice boot. Very clean recording of the
>'88 OR tour.
From:
'Joe Shoults' I would like to subscribe to the Digest AS WELL AS the
> regular list (as I do with the 'old' TADREAM list ).
[...]
> it. If I want to go back, I can always get into the saved Digest.
...
> John
Hi John-
you actually already can view the archives from your browser at onelist.com,
but if you want to receive them via e-mail, you will have to subscribe with
an additional e-mail account, to the best of my knowledge. You can do this
for free with services like hotmail.com (and lots of others), then set them
to redirect your mail to your primary account.
Note: I just tried to get into onelist.com, and the database seems to be
down at the moment.
-joe
From:
'Gerry Fox' I can do it, but my turn-around time isn't the greatest, since I only have
>access to a CD-R drive once a week. I also have no CD boots. All my stuff
is
>tape. I have the Keep, though.
>
>Scott
>
From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
From:
KMu9978842@xxx.xxx
Date: Sat Mar 20, 1999 8:02
am
Subject: For Vitaly Leontiev/Russian CD's
Hello,
cant reach your eMail address, could you please contact me direct?
Regards
Kelvin Munson
From:
'nick adams' 1.'Slaves....they're using them for slaves...and they gotta crush em...cuz
of the gravity'
>2.'I see you....chocolate man!!'
>3.'The lady will have the linguini & clamsauce, with a coke and no ice'
>4.'If I saw myself in clothes like that I'd have to kick my own ass'
>and the throw away (which means if you miss this...you suck)
>5.'Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138.'
>Have fun...or be a grump, don't play and get nothing! ;-p
I Would Love to play, but to be honest i aint got a F#@%#N clue to any of
them, even the one you say'' if you miss this you suck''.......well no 4
maybe i would put down as the Jerry Springer Show..............Just Kidding
Nick
Np.....Ozrics / Curios Corn
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From:
Frederic Yargui From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> I can do it, but my turn-around time isn't the greatest, since I only have
> access to a CD-R drive once a week. I also have no CD boots. All my stuff is
> tape. I have the Keep, though.
>
> Scott
>
>
> From: Jeff Stevenson
>
> Well since this is a truly on topic list, thought I'd float an idea.
>
> How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to
> distribute boots? I know this was floated a year or two ago, but got
> lukewarm interest. I know that my collection has a lot of holes in it that
> I'd really like to fill and it is sometimes something of a pain to track
> down people to trade with.
>
> Any interest now?
>
> Jeff
>
IN MP3 format?
Fred
From:
Frederic Yargui -----Message d'origine-----
> De: Joe Shoults [SMTP:joes@c...]
> Date: vendredi 19 mars 1999 16:41
> A: tadream@o...
> Objet: [tadream] TEST to check for attachments
>
> TEST
>
> I am attaching a text file containing only the word 'test', to verify that
> onelist does not forward attachments to the list members. I have no idea if
> this is true or not, but if it doesn't, we will never have to worry about
> all that happy99 virus type of stuff...
>
> -joe
> << Fichier: test.txt>>
From:
Frederic Yargui I would be interested in a tree. I'm trying to get the cash to buy a CDR
burner
> now (still no color printer). If I DO get one I would try to be a branch,
> otherwise I'll just have to be a leaf.
>
> Thanks.
>
> John
>
What about a tree for high quality color printouts?
Fred
From:
'Plumer, Scott' 1.'Slaves....they're using them for slaves...and they gotta crush em...cuz
of the gravity'
Wavelength
>2.'I see you....chocolate man!!'
Near Dark
>3.'The lady will have the linguini & clamsauce, with a coke and no ice'
Risky Business
>4.'If I saw myself in clothes like that I'd have to kick my own ass'
I've heard this line, but can't recall the film. I wanna say Risky B., but I
don't think that's right.
>and the throw away (which means if you miss this...you suck)
>5.'Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138.'
THX1138. Duh!!!
Scott
From:
MikeVal777@xxx.xxx
Date: Sat Mar 20, 1999 4:26
pm
Subject: Re: New to list
Hello all,
Glad to be on a list thats ON TOPIC. For starters i am Mike, my favorite TD
releases are White Eagle, Ricochet and Encore, then again all of the Baumann
and Schmoelling are like all #1 to me. So i look forward to this list. I
have got a question. Can anyone direct me to Baumanns - Trans Harmonic Nights
and Romance ' something' on cd?? i know they are out of print but if anyone
knows a possible avenue i can take to get these please let me know.
Thanx
Mike
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From:
Daniel and Corinne Fishman
> From: 'Hassinen Ami'
>
> Hello everybody!
>
> Nice to be here on this list. Just checked the handy 'user profile' bit and
> found out that there´s 56 of us here right now. So the convention is getting
> bigger every day ;-)
>
> Because there´s not that many of us here yet, I would like to let everybody
> check my wants-list first. Probably it gets more attention here...I hope.
> Please e-mail me if you have any of these and are willing to trade. I have
> basically all the other generally known stuff from 70-77 that is not on my
> list and a plenty of later shows/boots too. Also non-TD EM etc. I´m willing
> to supply you the swap material on CD-Rs even if I got c-cassettes in
> exchange...
>
> Ami´s wants-list:
>
> 25.11.72 Köln, WDR-Sendesaal 'Klangwald'
>
> 20.11.74 Glasgow, Kelvin Hall
>
> 26.11.74 Bradford, St. Georges Hall
>
> 02.04.75 London, Royal Albert Hall (the second encore and the interview)
>
> 12.10.75 Birmingham, Town Hall (the encore)
>
> Jan. 1976 Paris (Hippodrome or Palais de Sport?)
>
> 11.02.76 Amsterdam, RAI-Congresscentrum
>
> 10.10.76 Hannover, Stadthalle
>
> 21.10.76 Düsseldorf, Philipshalle
>
> 03.11.76 Edinburgh, Odeon
>
> 13.11.76 Leeds University
>
> April 77 Toronto
>
> 02.04.77 Cleveland
>
> 11.04.77 Quebec, Hilton
>
> well, it wasn´t that long a list after all.
>
> Quite interesting to see that majority of those list members who did state
> their age for the 'profile' seem to be in their early thirties...me too! Was
> there a lot of sun spot activity in mid 60´s or what??? ;-)
>
> cheers,
>
> Ami
>
> ps.
> Daniel, looking forward to copy your tree material for you...please send me
> the blanks whenever you´re ready...
>
Hi Ami,
Sorry I haven't been in touch but the thesis has to be in soon and I am
drowning in a) last minute changes and b) onelist emails! I must change
to digest mode!
In 2 weeks time I have some holiday, which will involve dismantling my
study to change it into baby bedroom 2. At that time my tape deck will
join my HiFi CD player, when I can record for you those RAMP,ARC and
something else recordings you wanted (Under the dome live was the other,
or was it far from stars? I'll do them whatever). The first recordings
I did were a bit quite. the RAMP Nodular disc is not as good as one of
their unreleased one I have, basically the full version of the GT2
'What's the point of freezing a radio' track. So I'll do that too! That
way I can send you the Redshift video and soundtrack tape (let me know
if you want this, you might be able to get a better quality soundtrack
recording from your system) with all the trade stuff, all together.
I was hoping to get to hear redshift live, but cannot go now. I'll let
you know if my contact will be doing a live CD-R ;-)
Regards,
Daniel
From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
> I Would Love to play, but to be honest i aint got a F#@%#N clue to any of
> them, even the one you say'' if you miss this you suck''.......well no 4
> maybe i would put down as the Jerry Springer Show..............Just Kidding
Haha...well start watching more movies!! Hahah!! Don't worry, they'll be
more chances, heh.
Dan
Dan J. Schulte
Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi
From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
> From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> Since this is on the Tadream list, I'm assuming these are all TD-scored
> movies,
Doh! Nope...in fact I take great offense that you would say I would
quote TD movies because they are mostly all so horrible. Hahaha!
except #5...
>
> >1.'Slaves....they're using them for slaves...and they gotta crush em...cuz
> of the gravity'
> Wavelength
>
> >2.'I see you....chocolate man!!'
> Near Dark
>
> >3.'The lady will have the linguini & clamsauce, with a coke and no ice'
> Risky Business
>
> >4.'If I saw myself in clothes like that I'd have to kick my own ass'
> I've heard this line, but can't recall the film. I wanna say Risky B., but I
> don't think that's right.
>
> >and the throw away (which means if you miss this...you suck)
> >5.'Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138.'
> THX1138. Duh!!!
Hahahahah! Sorry Scott, you missed em all, even the 'you suck' question!
Heh heh. Someone will shine here...where are you, where's the movie
nerd?! ;-p
Dano
--
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Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi
From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
> From: MikeVal777@a...
> Can anyone direct me to Baumanns - Trans Harmonic Nights
You can win a free cdr of it from me...but you gotta play the Dano movie
nerd quiz! Hehehe. Actually, I was pretty impressed when I got Baumann's
THN. It seemed to me though that there was a void (Franke & Ed...where'd
ya go?). You really notice their abscence. The drums are weaker & the
chords are fewer but the overall album is pretty good
sequence/melody-wise.
Dano
--
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Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi
From:
'Jens Peschke' From: Daniel and Corinne Fishman
[SNIP]
> The first recordings I did were a bit quite. the RAMP Nodular disc is not as
good > as one of their unreleased one I have, basically the full version of the
GT2
> 'What's the point of freezing a radio' track. So I'll do that too!
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
1) The long track you have is called 'Frozen radios'
and not 'What's the point of freezing a radio?'
2) 'Frozen radios' is not the full version of WTPOFAR that appear on
GT2.
It's another take we recorded the same day (07/25/98) in Marl,
Germany.
3) 'Frozen radios' is by 'RAMP featuring JoxBox' ie Frank Makowski,
Stephen Parsick
and myself. 8-)
Anyway, I'm glad you like it. :-)
Kind Regards
Jens (aka JoxBox)
From:
Jeff Stevenson From: Frederic Yargui
>What about a tree for high quality color printouts?
>
>Fred
There are people working on that.
From:
Jeff Stevenson > >1.'Slaves....they're using them for slaves...and they gotta crush em...cuz
>> of the gravity'
>> Wavelength
This one is from the movie with the spiked silver ball that flew around and
sucked people's brains out. Can't remember the name tho.
Shouldn't this be on the offtopic list tho?
From:
Carlo Ruggiero
> This one is from the movie with the spiked silver ball that flew around and
> sucked people's brains out. Can't remember the name tho.
>
Phantasm?
Carlo
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From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
> From: Jeff Stevenson
>
> At 09:07 AM 3/20/1999 -0800, you wrote:
> >> >1.'Slaves....they're using them for slaves...and they gotta crush em...cuz
> >> of the gravity'
> >> Wavelength
>
> This one is from the movie with the spiked silver ball that flew around and
> sucked people's brains out. Can't remember the name tho.
>
> Shouldn't this be on the offtopic list tho?
Well, it's on topic IMO. I'm giving away a free TD related cd! Besides,
there are many more people on this list...so why deprive them. ;-)
Dan
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Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi
From:
Jeff Stevenson From: Carlo Ruggiero
>
>Jeff
>>
>> This one is from the movie with the spiked silver ball that flew around and
>> sucked people's brains out. Can't remember the name tho.
>>
>
>Phantasm?
>
>Carlo
>
From:
Daventura
From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
> From: Daventura
>
> I know FOR SURE that quote #5 is Star Wars. The other ones
> sound like they are from less than quality films, which would explain
> why I don't recognize them....David
Actually, every film listed has an enormous cult following and all these
films did quite well at the BO. ;-p I'll announce who wins tomorrow.
Special thanks from those who are stumped to those helping out by
posting your response publicly. Hehe.
Dan-0h
--
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Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi
From:
'Joe Shoults'
> Well, it's on topic IMO. I'm giving away a free TD related cd! Besides,
> there are many more people on this list...so why deprive them. ;-)
>
> Dan
>
From:
Frederic Yargui
Date: Sun Mar 21, 1999 11:38
am
Subject: Re: Tree
> From: Jeff Stevenson
> >From: Frederic Yargui
> >What about a tree for high quality color printouts?
> >
> >Fred
>
> There are people working on that.
Good!
Fred
From:
XxphyIeX@xxx.xxx
Date: Sun Mar 21, 1999 1:58
pm
Subject: trading vhs for cdrs here...
im looking to trade my concert videos.. yes i have some td..
and 1000s of others.. for cdrs. or other concert videos..
if u are interested.. email me and let me know..
at xxphyiex@a... spell it right...
do it now.. before someone else offers me the things
u have ... cuz then u wont be able to...
if u dont think u have anything on cdr that i want...
think again... i dont have a single cd bootleg at all..
so anything of excellent quality is of interest...
lets go people...
From:
Frederic Yargui
From:
Eric Rochon
From:
cosmos
Date: Sun Mar 21, 1999 10:42
pm
Subject: Re: tree
i realy would like to join the tree.
unfortunately i only have 2 bootlegs till now
(electronic orgy and traumzeit)
i have a cdr burner, a scanner and a color printer, so i can always help.
andré
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From:
'Kevin Jowers'
Date: Mon Mar 22, 1999 2:38
am
Subject: Tree
Okay, the majority of us think a CDR tree is a good idea. Now.....what
should be included on the CD's?? Should it be single shows or perhaps a
'Best Of' from each tour?? Let's get some ideas from those in favor of the
tree.
Just trying to get the ball rolling,
Kevin
---
Kevin M. Jowers
jowers@i...
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my own Real Audio and MP3 song samples
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From:
Marcelo Gutierrez
Date: Mon Mar 22, 1999 3:25
am
Subject: Re: New to list
----------
> From: MikeVal777@a...
> To: tadream@o...
>
> From: MikeVal777@a...
>
> Hello all,
>
> Glad to be on a list thats ON TOPIC. For starters i am Mike, my favorite
TD
> releases are White Eagle, Ricochet and Encore, then again all of the
Baumann
> and Schmoelling are like all #1 to me. So i look forward to this list.
I
> have got a question. Can anyone direct me to Baumanns - Trans Harmonic
Nights
> and Romance ' something' on cd?? i know they are out of print but if
anyone
> knows a possible avenue i can take to get these please let me know.
>
> Thanx
>
> Mike
>
Was Romance 76 ever released on CD? I thought not, but I might be wrong!
Marcelo
From:
'Jens Peschke'
Date: Mon Mar 22, 1999 5:18
am
Subject: Re: Romance '76
> From: Marcelo Gutierrez
[SNIP]
> Was Romance 76 ever released on CD? I thought not, but I might be wrong!
It has been released but is out of print for a long time now.
Mind you, the cheap virgin sampler Phase-by-Phase (got mine for 6 quid
in London)
has 5 of the 6 tracks from Romance on it.
Shame is they did miss 2 brilliant tracks from TN, though.
Regz
Jens
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From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
Date: Mon Mar 22, 1999 3:45
am
Subject: Dano's Quiz-The winner
Well, next time I'll ask you a bunch of questions pertaning to Edgar's
aviator sunglasses instead of film quotes....you pilgrims are pitiful!
Haha...but in any case...the winner is:
Pete Issacson! Just email me & let me know which one ya want & I'll zoom
it into your living room so you can have an orgasmic listening
experience!
1.'Slaves....they're using them for slaves...and they gotta crush
em...cuz of the gravity'
Phantasm
2.'I see you....chocolate man!!'
Dawn of the Dead
3.'The lady will have the linguini & clamsauce, with a coke and no ice'
Fast Times At Ridegmont High
4.'If I saw myself in clothes like that I'd have to kick my own ass'
Happy Gilmore
and the throw away (which means if you miss this...you suck)
5.'Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138.'
Star Wars (duh) heh heh.
Sorry for the bandwidth. Next time I'll be sure to make TD the focus of
the contest...but be warned...I've been listening to TD for a while
now...so the questions won't be much easier, heh.
Dan
--
Dan J. Schulte
Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi
From:
'Gerry Fox'
Date: Mon Mar 22, 1999 7:31
am
Subject: Re: Tree
As the item which generated significant discussion during the time I was on
the other list was the Keep and all its variants should we start with that?
Gerry
-----Original Message-----
>From: 'Kevin Jowers'
>
>
>Okay, the majority of us think a CDR tree is a good idea. Now.....what
>should be included on the CD's?? ,
>Kevin
From:
Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
Date: Mon Mar 22, 1999 9:15
am
Subject: Re: Tree
>From: Jeff Stevenson
>
>How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to
>distribute boots?
Yeah, I'm interested. Having seen some posts over the weekend I'm now a little
confused. Are we talking about copies of, for example, Sonambulistic Imagery,
Raetikon, etc. or digital copies of the tapes that are currently doing the
rounds?
-------------------------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g...
Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187
Alenia Marconi Systems
Simulation and Training Division
Donibristle, Fife, Scotland
-------------------------------------------------------------
From:
Geir Smedsrud
Date: Mon Mar 22, 1999 10:22
am
Subject: About webspace
Hello all,
I saw the discussion about webspace and got an idea. Why not make a virtual
website. Like agreeing on a design and then spreading the contents over
several sites and accounts. Then space certainly would'nt be a problem.
Tell me what you think about this.
Geir
From:
Rainer Rutka Was Romance 76 ever released on CD? I thought not, but I might be wrong!
You are. It is/was released by Virgin records.
Don't have the number here. Email me privately if you need it.
Or look into my homepage. http://home.t-online.de/home/rutka
Rainer
rainer@k...
From:
Marcelo Gutierrez From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
> > From: Marcelo Gutierrez
> [SNIP]
> > Was Romance 76 ever released on CD? I thought not, but I might be
wrong!
>
> It has been released but is out of print for a long time now.
> Mind you, the cheap virgin sampler Phase-by-Phase (got mine for 6 quid
> in London)
> has 5 of the 6 tracks from Romance on it.
>
Yes, I have it, but I believe 'Glass Bridge' was left out which is, IMO,
the best track on the album.
> Shame is they did miss 2 brilliant tracks from TN, though.
>
Yes I agree!
Marcelo
From:
'Joe Shoults' Hello,
>
>The ONElist system will be down for scheduled maintenance this evening,
>Monday March 22, 1999. We will be off-line from 8pm to 10pm Pacific Time
>while we upgrade the system.
>
>Thanks for using ONElist!
>
>
>The ONElist Team
From:
'Hassinen Ami'
From:
'Jens Peschke' Those comments on Baumann´s solo albums have been interesting. Personally I
> think that 'Romance 76' and 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' are nothing short of
> wonderful. 'Repeat Repeat' is musically clever and funny. 'Strangers in the
> night' is just funny ;-)
Here's my short comment I sent today to Goldtri, where the TD solo
efforts of Edgar, Peter, Chris and others are discussed at the weekly
D:artists thread:
======================================================
From a historical view Baumann had the biggest potential
of all TD members, but he hardly used his talents.
Romance '76 is an absolutely superb album, 'Meadow of Infinity'
still remains one of my all time faves of all time.
Too bad he played safe on his next release, Transharmonic Nights.
Still some great stuff on that one.
He got completely lost when trying to mix new wave with probably the
worst
vocals that ever made it to an album. The music on 'Repeat, repeat'
still has it moments, but it was a waste of talent, IMO.
====================================================
> This made me think about their solo works in general. How do people on this
> list feel about them?
As to Edgar's solo efforts:
Erm. Stuntman is neat and well done, Edgar at his best.
As to his other solo releases:
Simple sub par TD stuff - he tries to explore new ground, which has been
very important for the process/developement of TD,
but musically there isn't enought substance in that man alone
to come up with really brilliant stuff.
My fave three would be:
Baumann´s 'Romance 76'
Schulze's 'Mirage'
Schulze's 'X'
If Schulze won't count, it would be
Baumann´s 'Romance 76'
Franke 'London Concert'
Schmoelling's 'Zoo of Tranquillity'
Kind Regards
Jens
From:
'Hassinen Ami' Romance '76 is an absolutely superb album, 'Meadow of Infinity'
>still remains one of my all time faves of all time.
>
>Too bad he played safe on his next release, Transharmonic Nights.
>Still some great stuff on that one.
>
>He got completely lost when trying to mix new wave with probably the
>worst
>vocals that ever made it to an album. The music on 'Repeat, repeat'
>still has it moments, but it was a waste of talent, IMO.
I think that tracks like 'Decadance', 'Playland Pleasure' and 'Daytime
Logic' are very good musically. Certainly they are superior to any neu
romantic/new wave synth efforts in the early eighties as far as the
inventive sequencing and sounds are concerned. Yeah, I know that his vocals
suck...but the vocals on 'Strangers' suck even more! ;-)
>If Schulze won't count, it would be
>Baumann´s 'Romance 76'
>Franke 'London Concert'
>Schmoelling's 'Zoo of Tranquillity'
Aaargh! I only now realized the trap that I have accidentally set.
Of course there should be Schulze on my list too...but then, he´s such a
well-known bloke in his own right. Perhaps we should skip Klaus this time?
When somebody says 'Klaus Schulze' I hardly think of his contribution to TD
in the first place.
cheers,
Ami
ps.
Has Jockbox any albums out? Or is there any other ways to get to hear their
music?
From:
Joel Mullen
From:
Jeff Stevenson From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
>>How much interest would there be out there to organize a CDR tree to
>>distribute boots?
>
>Yeah, I'm interested. Having seen some posts over the weekend I'm now a
little
>confused. Are we talking about copies of, for example, Sonambulistic Imagery,
>Raetikon, etc. or digital copies of the tapes that are currently doing the
>rounds?
From:
Frederic Yargui Well I am back now. Ready to talk about these new trees. I tried to
get
> a CD-R tree going a few months ago. Everyone interested pretty much two
things
> in common. No bootlegs to copy and no burner to do it. So I put it on
hold for a
> while. Just for FYI I have every CD bootleg (execept the Risky Business
press kit)
> in original form with original artwork. And I have a few dozen CD-R only
bootlegs
> and some rare official TD as well. So I am ready to start with the tree
anytime. Oh
> and I have a burner too.
FY?
>
> And as far as artwork goes I am starting another project that involves
collecting
> 300 dpi scans of original artwork for ALL CD-R bootlegs. My plan was to
get all the
> art, burn them on a CD-R and distribute in in a tree.
>
> Let me know if anyone is interested in the project and if they can/will
help me.
>
I'll help you the best I can, almost with personnal very limited releases
that are OL & PD but also Legend (laserdisc) & TBN that I had the chance
to 'remaster' music + art.
> Regards,
>
> Joel
>
Dream Regards,
From:
'Jens Peschke' I think that tracks like 'Decadance', 'Playland Pleasure' and 'Daytime
> Logic' are very good musically. Certainly they are superior to any neu
> romantic/new wave synth efforts in the early eighties as far as the
> inventive sequencing and sounds are concerned.
Depeche Mode/Yello did it way better musically.
In the 90s the German group Wolfsheim are even better partly.
>Yeah, I know that his vocals suck...but the vocals on 'Strangers' suck even
more! >;-)
he, he, he.
> >If Schulze won't count, it would be
> >Baumann´s 'Romance 76'
> >Franke 'London Concert'
> >Schmoelling's 'Zoo of Tranquillity'
>
> Aaargh! I only now realized the trap that I have accidentally set.
> Of course there should be Schulze on my list too...but then, he´s such a
> well-known bloke in his own right. Perhaps we should skip Klaus this time?
Yep. I already offered my votes using the ignore_Schulze option. ;-)
> When somebody says 'Klaus Schulze' I hardly think of his contribution to TD
> in the first place.
Me neither.
> Has Joxbox any albums out? Or is there any other ways to get to hear their
> music?
There's no further JoxBox (ie solo) stuff worth to be released yet. 8-)
Check the latest SMD issue or http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk/thecase.htm
for a review of the Kubusschnitt (Bloyce, Coppens, Heij, Peschke) debut.
Kind Regards
Jens
From:
Joel Mullen
Here is a list of every suggested title (besides 'Dream Piles' ;-) that
I have found posted to the list (plus my own). If I have missed any
or have attributed the wrong person please let me know. Some are
obviously a joke but others are not so obvious. ;-) Due to the unforeseen
split in the tadream list to 'tadream@o...' this compilation
is for BOTH lists and will be handled as one list for this project.
Use this list of suggestions to think about what you want as a title.
When the official CD-R tree sign-up occurs in the beginning of April
you will be given an opportunity to *vote* for your choice, however I
have not decided on how the final decision will be made. Most likely
voting will determine a top five or so list which the contributors them-
selves will pick from. Not my suggestion, but it is a very good idea.
I will keep you posted. Feel free to e-mail me directly instead of the
list if you feel that this is an *off topic* post but you still want to make
suggestions.
Here are some of my ideas that I have never posted to the list----
***************************************************************************
'Sell Me One Lulu Jam' (my personal anagram :-)
'Nut rot shit feed' (the worst TD anagram I could find ;-)
ALL kidding aside here are some real suggestions-
'Dream Autopsy'
'A Step Away from Them'
'A Dream Deferred'
'Under the Lion's Paw'
'Dream Boogie'
'Our Dream Beyond'
'Citrus Rock'
'Across Unprotected Waters'
'110V Live'
'The Dream is Never the Same'
(any reaction to any of those?)
***************************************************************************
SUGGESTED TITLES FOR THE TADREAM LIST COMPILATION
(in no particular order, what can I say I am too lazy for that)
***************************************************************************
'take my off the list NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'
****ANAGRAM APPROCH****
'A Dream Entering'
'I AM A NERD REGENT'
'Bright Dreams'
'Dream Inspiration'
'Dream Signals'
'dreaming of dreamers'
'Images of a Future Dream'
'Dreams of the Future'
'Future Dreams'
'New Dreamers'
****ANAGRAM APPROCH****
'Entering a Dream'
'Mad Art Engineer'
'Generated in RAM'
'A Dream Entering'
'Maiden Art Genre'
'Edgar Retina Men'
'A German I'd Enter'
'POLYGON'
'DREAMQUEST'
'GALLERY OF MENTAL IMAGES'
'DREAMERS' CONVENTION'
'ONEIROMANCY'
(i.e. the science of interpreting dreams)
'Dream Analysis'
'Dreamers I'
'Sonic Dreams'
'Cyber Dreamers'
'Dream Reflections'
'Memories of Dream'
'Tadream, Perchance to sleep?'
'Dream Weavers'
'No Clue'
'Seekers of Dreams'
'Dream Seekers'
'The Dream Tree'
'A Dream Within a Dream...'
'Dreams Within Dreams'
'The Best Tadream list members compilation in the world, Ever!'
'Now that's what Tadream list members call music!'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And here are some suggested *approches* by Mark Edmonds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Well, there seems to be a few ways which this can be done.
1. The Arty Approach.
Basically, come up with titles similar to TD titles. Examples perhaps:
Midnight curfew in the sphere of chocolate.
Lion's kiss on the golden dune.
Towards the evening star (red snowdrop mix).
2. The Anagram Approach.
I really like 'Mad art engineers' (has to be plural obviously)!
3. The Parody Approach.
You could do 'The TD Files' or 'Mystery Dream Theater' (not sure on my US
TV - does that already exist?) or 'Theater of Dreams' or 'The
Interpretation of Dreams' or 'Wet Dreams' or 'Nightmare on TD List,
Freddy's tapes' (sorry Fred!).
Whatever is selected, it mustn't sound pretentious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
and here is another suggestion by Dan Schulte
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Why does it have to have the word 'dream' in it? Come on people, let's be more
prolific! ;-p
Dan
From:
'Thomas Bertilsson' From: 'Hassinen Ami'
>
>Howdy!
>
>Those comments on Baumann´s solo albums have been interesting. Personally I
>think that 'Romance 76' and 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' are nothing short of
>wonderful. 'Repeat Repeat' is musically clever and funny. 'Strangers in the
>night' is just funny ;-)
>This made me think about their solo works in general. How do people on this
>list feel about them?
>If I had to choose THREE best albums by people who have been in TD at some
>part of their career, I think I would choose these (not in particular
order):
>-Froese´s 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale'
>-Baumann´s 'Romance 76'
>-Baumann´s 'Trans-Harmonic Nights'
>---------------------------------
>(bubbling under: Ed´s 'Stuntman' and Schmoelling´s 'Wuivend Riet')
>how would you choose???
>cheers,
>Ami
>np:
>Undercover dreams
From:
Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: Joel Mullen
>
> Just for FYI I have every CD bootleg (execept the Risky Business press kit)
>in original form with original artwork. And I have a few dozen CD-R only
bootlegs
>and some rare official TD as well. So I am ready to start with the tree
anytime. Oh
>and I have a burner too.
Would you be willing to act as the seed for every tree? I think that would put
too much pressure on you, and not really be fair. I only have about 6 CD boots
and about 12 CD-R boot copies, and have limited access to a burner (i.e. I have
to ask a friend at work) but would be happy to offer these meagre services if
they'd spread the load a little. What I don't have, however, is access to
scanning / printing equipment for the covers.
> And as far as artwork goes I am starting another project that involves
collecting
>300 dpi scans of original artwork for ALL CD-R bootlegs. My plan was to get
all the
>art, burn them on a CD-R and distribute in in a tree. Then people can print
out whatever
>quality art they want for the tree CD-Rs. If they want high quality art I am
having a
>number of copies of each printed on a high-quality profession laser printer.
However
>I am no where near done with collecting the scans and the printing will cost
some $$.
That sounds like quite a project! I don't have access to a colour printer at
present (trying to print them at work might be pushing my luck just a little)
so would be looking for some kind person to provide me with the artwork too.
Perhaps there are others in the same position?
-------------------------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g...
Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187
Alenia Marconi Systems
Simulation and Training Division
Donibristle, Fife, Scotland
-------------------------------------------------------------
From:
'teiwaz _'
From:
rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx
Date: Tue Mar 23, 1999 8:39
am
Subject: Re: solo works
Hey, lets not forget Conrad Schnitzler! He's been very active since leaving
TD and has produced huge amounts of stuff: mostly experimental but I'd bet
his Ballet Statique in collaboration with Baumann would appeal to quite a
few TD fans...
Personally I like EF's Kamikaze 1989: it may be simple and naive but that
makes all the more interesting. It works quite well in the movie,
especially the closing track which is really melancholic.
My third choice would probably be Lightwave's Tycho Brahe in collaboration
with Haslinger (does this count? His name is only in the credits... ):
wonderfully weird and haunting stuff.
Keep dreaming,
Riccardo
From:
rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx
Date: Tue Mar 23, 1999 8:53
am
Subject: Re: CD-R and ART trees
>And as far as artwork goes I am starting another project that involves
collecting 300 dpi scans of original >artwork for ALL CD-R bootlegs. My
plan was to get all the art, burn them on a CD-R and distribute in in a
>tree. Then people can print out whatever quality art they want for the
tree CD-Rs. If they want high >quality art I am having a number of copies
of each printed on a high-quality profession laser printer. >However I am
no where near done with collecting the scans and the printing will cost
some $$.
>
>
Hi Joel
Count me in!
Considering the space available on a CDR, why not make higher resolution
scans? 600 dpi? Is that too high?
Riccardo
From:
KMu9978842@a...
Date: Tue Mar 23, 1999 11:24
am
Subject: Re: CD-R and ART trees
Hi,
I'm in a similar position. I would be very pleased to help with copying the
CDs but only have access to a 'bread and butter' colour printer.
Kelvin Munson
From:
Frederic Yargui From: KMu9978842@a...
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm in a similar position. I would be very pleased to help with copying the
> CDs but only have access to a 'bread and butter' colour printer.
I don't know this model. Available in good bakeries?
Tell us more!
Fred
From:
Marcelo Gutierrez
From:
Joel Mullen From: rzanelli@h...
>
>
> >And as far as artwork goes I am starting another project that involves
> collecting 300 dpi scans of original >artwork for ALL CD-R bootlegs. My
> plan was to get all the art, burn them on a CD-R and distribute in in a
> >tree. Then people can print out whatever quality art they want for the
> tree CD-Rs. If they want high >quality art I am having a number of copies
> of each printed on a high-quality profession laser printer. >However I am
> no where near done with collecting the scans and the printing will cost
> some $$.
> >
> >
>
> Hi Joel
>
> Count me in!
> Considering the space available on a CDR, why not make higher resolution
> scans? 600 dpi? Is that too high?
>
> Riccardo
>
I have tried 600 dpi with success, however it creates a printable bit-map file
of about
100 MB and that ties up the color laser printer for 45 minutes or so just to
process
the file. 300 dpi produces results that are excellent. In fact I have a
number of files
that were the actual ones used to produce CD-R boot art (they are not scans) and
they are either 200 dpi or 300 dpi. So scanning in artwork at any higher
resolution
will not result in higher quality prints.
Regards,
Joel
From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
From:
Joel Mullen
From:
Frederic Yargui From: Joel Mullen
>
> I don't see what all the fuss is about. As most bootlegs are just
> fan tapes we are really only talking about a digital tape tree, with
> no money changing hands. It is not OUR fault that some of them
> were released by *real* bootleggers. Besides that we all buy
> every stinking release anyway.
Hi, Joel & dreamers!
I totally agree :
I buy *every* TD item (hearable, not shoes, paintings or feelings) I can
find in the shops and on Intenet. When TD decides to release all previously
released bootlegs ie all previously _unrelased_ material, studio, live,
soundcheck and others, then I'll try to get another job to earn more money
to afford these releases.
Just my 0.02 euros :-P
Fred
PS : If they are packed in a box with 80% stuff I already have, I'll shout
in the middle of the New Age section at Parisian Fnac 'FUCK OFF,
BASTARDS!!!'
(Fnac is a very well known big music store in France & Europa)
From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
> From: Joel Mullen
>
> I don't see what all the fuss is about.
No fuss really, just trying to tone it down a bit.
As most bootlegs are just
> fan tapes we are really only talking about a digital tape tree, with
> no money changing hands. It is not OUR fault that some of them
> were released by *real* bootleggers.
Yes! It's all your fault Joel! Yours! (& I'm sure the gay people had
something to do with it too)
Besides that we all buy
> every stinking release anyway. Or at least I do.
Yes, at least, haha! I abandoned the 'buy it if it's dream' zone long
ago. I think Turn of the Tides spoke for itself...then I changed my
ways. Now I just compose my own stuff cuz I got tired of waiting to hear
good music from them.
If this is going
> to be viewed by the Feds as *bootlegging* then forget about it.
Well, it's like the IRS, it's always a random search...but if it turns
out to be 'you' then it really sucks. They literally take anything that
doesn't have your name on it, your address & a note that says 'not for
sale'. Even legal stuff gets confiscated, not to mention fines up to
$200,000. Nope, I ain't kidding. But, that's the risk ya take. It may be
a rare occurance, but if it happens to you...suckfest 1999.
> Fer Christ sake we are not making 1000 copies of Madonna's
> latest in an old building to sell on the street corner for 1/2 the
> price of a *real* release.
You silly man, that's not the point heh heh.
And besides THAT we are all using
> the music CD-Rs that have $7 in *royalty fees* built into the price.
> RIGHT GUYS? uh huh...
Thanks to Memorex I can now make my cdrs for only $3.25 each instead of
$6!! F^&K You Philips & TDK!! Yeee haaa!! ;-p
Dano (who uses a stand alone machine...PC based cdr burners suck ass)
--
Dan J. Schulte
Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi
From:
Joel Mullen
From:
'teiwaz _' ...the power to burn cdrs of other artist's licensed music it is still
considered illegal.<
Aren't you talking about music piracy? What happened to manikin records
when they digitally transferred Edgar Froese's Macula Transfer to CD? A
letter was sent and manikin has stopped manufacturing it--they did
distribute what copies remained.
What happened to the release of 'The Keep'? Only pre-release copies
came out--what was it, 1500 units or something? The artist was the band
itself. The infighting is between megaconglomerates on that one. Please
correct me if I am wrong.
It is also my understanding that if one releases less than one thousand
copies of something, then permission from the 'owner' of the work does
not need to be obtained for sampling. I believe that is how Psychic TV
did a vinyl release of the tape of the Reverend Jim Jones and the Mass
suicide. Genesis P'Orridge certainly did not own the rights to the
tape.
Then again, negativland have been fighting to get 'fair use' of sampling
laws more well defined or deleted in the US. Island records ripped 'em
a new one over negativland's 'cover' of U2's 'I still haven't found what
I'm looking for' Or maybe it was Casey Kasem--since his potty-mouthed
outtakes--were really the focus of the negativland cover. Gotta
maintain that public image.
Now as for making copies of fan tapes--who knows? I was under the
impression that edgar allows his shows to be taped, but that concert
promoters have problems with that. The record companies certainly do
not own the works--they perhaps own the tapes that they have in their
cans. When an artist performs a song whether it is something they wrote
or not have they obtained permission from a record company beforehand to
do so? Aren't there thousands or millions of grateful dead fan tapes
circulating for private home use? Who's stopping that--Arista?
Grateful Dead Records?
--twz
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> From: 'teiwaz _'
>
> dano wrote:
>
> >...the power to burn cdrs of other artist's licensed music it is still
> considered illegal.<
>
> Aren't you talking about music piracy? What happened to manikin records
> when they digitally transferred Edgar Froese's Macula Transfer to CD? A
> letter was sent and manikin has stopped manufacturing it--they did
> distribute what copies remained.
Whether or not someone gets away with it is irrelevant. My point
is...it's illegal.
> It is also my understanding that if one releases less than one thousand
> copies of something, then permission from the 'owner' of the work does
> not need to be obtained for sampling.
That's false. Where did you hear such nonsense?
> Now as for making copies of fan tapes--who knows? I was under the
> impression that edgar allows his shows to be taped,
Nope. Edgar does not advocate fans making boots.
When an artist performs a song whether it is something they wrote
> or not have they obtained permission from a record company beforehand to
> do so? Aren't there thousands or millions of grateful dead fan tapes
> circulating for private home use? Who's stopping that--Arista?
> Grateful Dead Records?
Now I think you are insulting the smarts of the listmembers. Grateful
Dead actually encouraged and allowed their concerts to be recorded live.
In fact, they even allowed people to set up recording equipment in the
isles...some of them were even sound engineers there for that purpose!
At a time when so many things are going to go so wrong, it really
doesn't matter. With the war beginning in Kosovo, Y2K, China & Russia
cramping on the USA, the inevitablle stock market crash....I seriously
doubt anyone will care about a boot of TD's music, hahahaha!! So, as you
were & forget I said anything.
DanO
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From:
'Joe Shoults'
From:
'teiwaz _'
From:
TheKobaian@xxx.xxx
Date: Wed Mar 24, 1999 9:39
am
Subject: Trivia contest
In a message dated 3/20/99 4:59:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tadream@o... writes:
<< 1.'Slaves....they're using them for slaves...and they gotta crush em...cuz
of the gravity'
2.'I see you....chocolate man!!'
3.'The lady will have the linguini & clamsauce, with a coke and no ice'
4.'If I saw myself in clothes like that I'd have to kick my own ass'
and the throw away (which means if you miss this...you suck)
5.'Prisoner transfer from cell block 1138.' >>
I dunno about numbers 2-4, but number is from the original Phantasm (great
movie, as I recall) and number is from Star Wars! I probably don't win
anything (and probably missed the dead line anyway, but I couldn't go away
without giving my answers! :-)
May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
From:
Carlo Ruggiero
Date: Wed Mar 24, 1999 2:22
pm
Subject: Bootlegging [was: Re: The power to burn cdr's]
Dan,
> > Now as for making copies of fan tapes--who knows? I was under the
> > impression that edgar allows his shows to be taped,
>
> Nope. Edgar does not advocate fans making boots.
If I remember correctly, Edgar has stated that he does not mind if TD's
fans tape the shows as long as they are not mass produced and not done
for profit. I may have to research to find this statement in the old
TDIFC. So you are both correct in your statements here.
Also, Edgar (& Co) went after the makers of Electronic Orgy because he
was working on some of the rare material included on that set for future
release on the TDI label. Bootlegging is inevitable. I'm sure Edgar
realizes this. In Dream Collector, Issue #23, Edgar states 'We have
often turned a blind eye to fan products of a few copies which really
did not violate our interests.' If this is the case, then the
organizers of Real Dream Encores and Sea of Dreams should be careful.
Think how much rare material is on those fan releases. But, then again,
they were not sold for profit either.
Carlo
From:
Carlo Ruggiero I abandoned the 'buy it if it's dream' zone long ago.
That's fine. It is also your prerogative to do so. Maybe some other
fans on this list and the other feel the same way. What I have a
problem with is telling people YOUR opinion and trying to make everyone
agree with it, or berating them if they do not. I like the TD of the
90's. Not every single track on every release, but I like TD
nonetheless for it. I am not singling you out Dan, because there are
others on both lists who do the same thing. The recent thread about
Mars Polaris, for example. We have three months before we see this
release and some are speculating that this will 'suck' or will not be
'space music.' WHAT?! Do you just need something to complain about?
Also, the LiveMiles/Chris Franke discussion. Who really cares if the
material was played live during the Albuquerque show? It is good TD
music, in any case. If any of you have the Sequel release of this cd,
the liner notes contains a statement from Edgar on where the music came
from:
'We did a rehearsal in the afternoon at Albuquerque during the
soundcheck. Part of the album was recorded then and another part was
recorded during the gig itself. We also used a bit of an encore and a
little portion of the Albuquerque concert was performed later on in New
York which we subsequently edited into the same performance.
The reason is we performed a two and a half hour set including
material which had been released on record which we could not release on
the Albuquerque or Berlin concerts because they were blocked by
copyright with other record companies. So we had to cut out the new
pieces and bring them together to form a new live record. From time to
time we had to build musical 'bridges' between these parts and some of
those bridges had to be played later on whilst editing the material.
Thise bridges are only half a minute or maybe a minute long, but the
music in-between has been performed.'
As for CF, Klemania and The London concert were good, but what has
Chris done lately besides soundtrack material and 'New Age' releases
(Celestine Prophecy and Transformation of Mind w/ Deepak Chopra). Not
anything what I want to hear from him anyway. But I have purchased
every 'official' TD release since then. I much prefer the solos from
Haslinger and Schmoelling lately, than anything Christopher Franke has
done. If he was so great an influence on TD's music, what happened when
he went solo?
Enough rambling on this post. Of course, this is all just my opinion
and I hope you can respect it.
Carlo
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From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
> From: Carlo Ruggiero
>
> Dan wrote:
> > I abandoned the 'buy it if it's dream' zone long ago.
>
> That's fine. It is also your prerogative to do so. Maybe some other
> fans on this list and the other feel the same way. What I have a
> problem with is telling people YOUR opinion and trying to make everyone
> agree with it, or berating them if they do not.
Spare me dude. I have never done that. Don't you understand the whole
aspect of having a conversation or expessing opinions? In your world
everyone would agree. It's just not like that. Real conversations go
back & forth, agreeing and disagreeing, sometimes people stress their
opinion more aggressively. It doesn't mean they are trying to 'convert'
their listeners. I don't believe I said anything like 'current TD is
just this non musicial garbage, end of story and whatever you think is
wrong!'. In fact, I compliment TD on my site as to their musicial
journies, whether I liked it or not. Heh, I have never tried to MAKE
anyone agree withmy opinion. I bring up my points like everyone else,
take it or leave it.
I like the TD of the
> 90's. Not every single track on every release, but I like TD
> nonetheless for it. I am not singling you out Dan, because there are
> others on both lists who do the same thing.
Haha, look at your post! Of course you are, you even quote me silly.
The recent thread about
> Mars Polaris, for example. We have three months before we see this
> release and some are speculating that this will 'suck' or will not be
> 'space music.'
Well duh, how many albums do we have to wade through to finally hear one
that's amazing? When a band creates snoozers for several years people
have a tendency to give up or rotate elsewhere. It's the same thing as
if you keep going to a nice restaurant & suddenly roaches start
appearing. So basically you would still eat there? Well, we all have
our preferences.
WHAT?! Do you just need something to complain about?
Dude, here we go again. It's called conversation. What, if everything in
the conversations isn't lily pads & flowers you have a coronary? not
everyone likes TD & every single aspect about them, get over it. The
people who dislike the current TD output outnumber those who do. Get
over it.
> Also, the LiveMiles/Chris Franke discussion. Who really cares if the
> material was played live during the Albuquerque show? It is good TD
> music, in any case.
Your right, we should only talk about what you care about right?
> As for CF, Klemania and The London concert were good, but what has
> Chris done lately besides soundtrack material and 'New Age' releases
> (Celestine Prophecy and Transformation of Mind w/ Deepak Chopra). Not
> anything what I want to hear from him anyway.
Me neither, but he's running a very successful soundtrack label and he's
doing what he wants....& personally, I'd rather be in his shoes than
Eddie's anyday.
But I have purchased
> every 'official' TD release since then. I much prefer the solos from
> Haslinger and Schmoelling lately, than anything Christopher Franke has
> done. If he was so great an influence on TD's music, what happened when
> he went solo?
A better question is, why did TD suddenly freeze musicially when he
left? SO in effect, Franke's music isn't anything special today, but
TD's music is just as bad without him.
> Enough rambling on this post. Of course, this is all just my opinion
> and I hope you can respect it.
opinions aren't meant to be respected, they are meant to exchange
thoughts & ideas.
Regards,
Dan
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Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi
From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
> From: 'Joe Shoults'
> This is a primary reason the old list was blacklisted by TD, as I understand
> it, and I would assume TD still feels the same now.
They do, & won't even show a link on their site to the biggest TD
newslist there is. What does that tell us?
I have vacillated on
> this issue- does alowing boot discussions here provide more value to the
> list members, or IF this list were to stand a chance of being recognized by
> TD, then how important would that be to the members? Because they cannot
> both exist on the same list.
I think we should just not openly give sites where images can be
downloaded for boots & soforth. When I & certain buddies on the tadream
list saw the whole river of dreams thing happening, we couldn't believe
it. Most bootleggers are completely invisible, but to come out and
publicly do it...heh, not smart. There's a reason you never usually find
out who did what. They don't want to known.
>
> Do you feel boot talk is an inexorable part of the vitality of this list?
> Do you come here to discuss bootlegging? How would you feel if I stopped
> this topic on this list?
Nah, you shouldn't stop it at all. I just wouldn't advocate large
production cdr runs being planned publicly on the list, hahah!
If we got a new link from the TD site, how receptive might
> TD (or former members) also be ( or how many members would it take) to, say,
> an appointment in the chat room (planned for the tadream website), or say, a
> real-time RealPlayer interview? Far-fetched?
Course not, but it all depends on what the list owner (hey thats you!)
wants to do with the list.
Is it too much of a pain in
> the ass to mess with going to a separate list to be able to discuss boots?
Nah, discuss them all we want, but don't openly talk about producing or
distributing them. At least, I wouldn't.
Rock on Joey!
McDanold's
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From:
'Joe Shoults'
From:
'Robert Williams'
i realy would like to join the tree.
unfortunately i only have 2 bootlegs till now
(electronic orgy and traumzeit)
i have a cdr burner, a scanner and a color printer, so i can always help.
andré
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From:
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Date: Fri Mar 26, 1999 3:48
am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 9
>Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:12:24 -0600
>From: Joel Mullen
>Subject: Re: CD-R and ART trees
>Well I am back now. Ready to talk about these new trees. I tried to get
>a CD-R tree going a few months ago. Everyone interested pretty much two
>things in common. No bootlegs to copy and no burner to do it. So I put
it on >hold for a
[......]
>Let me know if anyone is interested in the project and if they can/will
help me.
Of course, we are interested. At least I know I am....but like you said...
no burner...although I do have some boots that everybody seems to have too.
What is it that I can do?
Andrew
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From:
'Kevin Jowers' Of course, we are interested. At least I know I am....but like you said...
>no burner...although I do have some boots that everybody seems to have too.
>What is it that I can do?
Based on concerns expressed in previous posts, the best thing you can do is
take it to private email. I support sharing live music, but I also support
this list and think we all should heed the advice of Dana and Joe.
Kevin
From:
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From:
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> Based on concerns expressed in previous posts, the best thing you can do is
> take it to private email. I support sharing live music, but I also support
> this list and think we all should heed the advice of Dana and Joe.
>
> Kevin
>
Dana Scully is on the list ??? !!!
I DON'T BELIEVE !!!!!!
Sorry, couldn't resist :-P
fRed
From:
Frederic Yargui
> From: Joel Mullen
>
> If anyone is looking for a new pair of shoes,
> let me know off-list. I have some in all types
> and sizes.
>
From:
Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
From:
Joel Mullen know what I mean squire?
From:
Vic Rek
> From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa'
>
> >Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:12:24 -0600
> >From: Joel Mullen
> >Subject: Re: CD-R and ART trees
>
> >Well I am back now. Ready to talk about these new trees. I tried to get
> >a CD-R tree going a few months ago. Everyone interested pretty much two
> >things in common. No bootlegs to copy and no burner to do it. So I put
> it on >hold for a
> [......]
> >Let me know if anyone is interested in the project and if they can/will
> help me.
>
> Of course, we are interested. At least I know I am....but like you said...
> no burner...although I do have some boots that everybody seems to have too.
> What is it that I can do?
>
> Andrew
From:
'Glyn G. Morton'
From:
Marcelo Gutierrez From: Vic Rek
> To: tadream@o...
> Subject: [tadream] Re: Digest Number 9
> Date: Friday, March 26, 1999 8:34 PM
>
> From: Vic Rek
>
> Well, I am starting to think about selling off my nearly new Philips
> CD-R 'hardware' recorder - the deleted series that accepts any CD-R if
> you know the trick. The new model has been fixed to avoid this. Contact
> me off list if you are serious about a hardware item like this.
>
> Keep Dreaming,
> Vic
>
From:
XxphyIeX@a...
Date: Sun Mar 28, 1999 7:14
pm
Subject: concerts on vhs...
is anyone interested in any of the videos that i have for sale / trade??
if u are interested in other bands.. just let me know.. but this is
what i have on td... currently...
canyon dreams - legit 50mins?
luminous visions - legit 50mins?
sites & sounds fest engl '81 40mins
seattle wash 10-25-92 (three phases) 80mins &
coventry cathedral eng 10-4-75 40mins audience
...and i have some of the films that td did the music
for as well... not many of them mind u.. but some.
including sorcerer.
...and i have 3000 other videos of other bands if u are
interested.. just email me and ask me for a list..
i will trade.. im seeking excellent condition copies of
any cd by td or any member of td that i dont have.
i would prefer legit copies rather than cdrs but will
accept either...
From:
TheKobaian@xxx.xxx
Date: Mon Mar 29, 1999 4:03
am
Subject: Re: Negativland (no TD content, sorry)
In a message dated 3/24/99 5:07:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tadream@o... writes:
<< Then again, negativland have been fighting to get 'fair use' of sampling
laws more well defined or deleted in the US. Island records ripped 'em
a new one over negativland's 'cover' of U2's 'I still haven't found what
I'm looking for' Or maybe it was Casey Kasem--since his potty-mouthed
outtakes--were really the focus of the negativland cover. Gotta
maintain that public image. >>
At the risk of going off topic, Negativland was sued by both Island Records
and Casey Kasem, but for entirely different reasons. Island sued because the
release that Negativland put out could potentially be mistaken for an actual
U2 release (I think it was something were both Negativland and U2 appeared on
the cover, with nothing to distinguish which was the title and which was the
artist). Casey sued because they used the now notorious tape of him being an
asshole toward his co-workers. Interestingly, although the Negativland release
did use extensive amounts of the actual U2 recording, that never came into the
debate. In fact, I distinctly have the impression that if it had been up to
the members of U2, they'd have been allowed to release the single
(incidentally, Bono's been seen wearing a Negativland Dispepsi t-shirt, so
apparently he actually likes what they're doing).
May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
NP: Radio Free Kansas
From:
'teiwaz _'
From:
'Plumer, Scott' can anyone tell me the dates and venues played by tangerine dream
>in Munich in 1976?
They played the Circus Krone on October 27. There is a 94 min. tape
available.
Scott
From:
'Glyn G. Morton'
From:
'Plumer, Scott'
Hi,
some help please....I have been provided with a cdr Greece 83, Live at The
Lycabettus Theatre. However after talking to James Owens, we`ve concluded
that this gig is probably 06.10.84 Live At The Lycabettus Theatre, Athens.
Can anyone confirm this.....did they play Greece `83 and `84?
Glyn
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'Glyn G. Morton' I know it's June of '84 (from my book), but I didn't know it was the tenth.
>How'd you get the date?
>
>Scott
>Hi,
>
>some help please....I have been provided with a cdr Greece 83, Live at The
>Lycabettus Theatre. However after talking to James Owens, we`ve concluded
>that this gig is probably 06.10.84 Live At The Lycabettus Theatre, Athens.
>
>Can anyone confirm this.....did they play Greece `83 and `84?
>
From:
'Plumer, Scott'
Hi Scott
errr, I guessed!! Thanx for confirming...do you know the actual date?
Glyn
>I know it's June of '84 (from my book), but I didn't know it was the tenth.
>How'd you get the date?
>
>Scott
>Hi,
>
>some help please....I have been provided with a cdr Greece 83, Live at The
>Lycabettus Theatre. However after talking to James Owens, we`ve concluded
>that this gig is probably 06.10.84 Live At The Lycabettus Theatre, Athens.
>
>Can anyone confirm this.....did they play Greece `83 and `84?
>
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From:
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From:
Joel Mullen From: Joel Mullen
>
> Tangram is up to 78 now. Come one people keep voting!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Me no speak 'a good english I guess ;-)
From:
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Tangram is up to 78 now. Come one people keep voting!
www.muze.com
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Date: Wed Mar 31, 1999 3:58
pm
Subject: aaa
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From:
Sean Montgomery
From:
Joel Mullen
From:
'Plumer, Scott'
From:
Joel Mullen
From:
Frederic Yargui From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> Can anyone make any sense out of any of these questions? And I have a
> question about #4: An African or European dove? :-)
>
> Scott
>
>
From:
Jeff Stevenson From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>Can anyone make any sense out of any of these questions? And I have a
>question about #4: An African or European dove? :-)
>
>Scott
Hmmm....Good question. I don't know.
YEEEEE-------AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
Sorry. Couldn't resist.
From:
Joel Mullen
From:
Joel Mullen
From:
'Joe Shoults' Can anyone make any sense out of any of these questions? And I have a
> question about #4: An African or European dove? :-)
>
> Scott
geez- no doubt!
-joe
From:
'Joe Shoults' Having just visited the website for the competition, my conclusion is
> that the Froese's are taking the piss. The question are of such a
> degree that the slightest misunderstanding of their slightly
> Euro-slanted English, would render the results way off...
[...]
> Lawry Simm
Agreed about the Euro-slanted English, Lawry, but what does 'taking the
piss' mean?
And what about the Donald Duck thing? I mean, who doesn't know that DD has
nephews, but not his own, er, ducklings?
Yes, well, Happy April Fools, I guess.
...and BTW: the muze.com contest has been extended to April 7.
-joe
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From:
Daventura
From:
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From:
Daventura
From:
Frederic Yargui
Fred writes: Mark, where are you??? I have good news for you... :-)
What? No good news for the rest of us?
[===============]
No news, good news :-))
Fred
From:
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From:
'Joe Shoults' > Really-From: Joel Mullen
|> >
|> > Here are the 3 releases of the SBM Cyclone that I am aware of.
If there
|> > are more someone please let me know. All the SBM versions have similar
numbering,
|> > except the SBMs that were released in the USA under Virgin America...
|> > Canada Virgin 7243 8 40251 20 TAND 9
|> > Holland Virgin 7243 8 40251 20 TAND 9
|> > U.K. Virgin 7243 8 40251 20 TAND 9
|>
|> There is also the Brazilian release: Virgin 8 40251 2
|> There is also a UK mispressing with another band on it.
|>
|> Vic
[...]
|> >ok
|> >what is SBM version??
[...]
|>
|> SBM is an acronym used by Virgin (I believe) to designate an electronic
|> re-processing that improves the overall sound of some of the
|> older releases. I
|> don't know the technology, but the SOUND is definitely better.
|>
|> John Poer
|>
|> jp
|>
|> 'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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From:
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From:
'paul todd'
From:
XxphyIeX@xxx.xxx
Date: Tue Apr 6, 1999 9:57
am
Subject: i just got
i just picked up 3 cds last week..
sndtrck to dead solid perfect...
i should have thought about this one a few more mins..
i wouldnt have gotten it..
it has 22 songs on it.. meaning none are worth listening
to since they all end in less than 3 mins..
if they were all 10 mins or more.. theyd be good..
otherwise this sucks... but the pieces are hot...
i also got two others called atlantic bridges and walls..
respectively... u wouldnt know it unless u are able
to memorize song titles.. that these are compilations but
they just came out last week... and they do feature some
hard to find pieces but they are still compilations without
any rare or previously unreleased music..
so that was $18 each for 3 cds.. that i wish i had spent
on something else... altho the pieces on the last two
cds are great.. i didnt know i didnt need them til i got them
home and i dont have the heart to return them...
and i dont have all the stuff on them but i probably will
sooner or later if i can find the full cds they came from...
im seeking people who are interested in obtaining concerts
on video that i have... including some td vids..
i will sell what i have or... i prefer to trade ... i will accept
high quality cdrs or legit cds.. that i dont have...
i dont have any cdr bootlegs.. at all.. so if u have anything
u dont need or want or u are able to copy something u do
have and want to keep... please let me know... i can offer
anything from my video collection... in trade...
im willing to take two cds per video..
if u want my list of concert videos.. email me and ask for it..
From:
XxphyIeX@xxx.xxx
Date: Tue Apr 6, 1999 9:59
am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 22
In a message dated 4/6/99 5:43:35 AM EDT, tadream@o... writes:
<< From: 'paul todd'
Subject: (no subject)
Can anybody answer the following question?
How many albums (excluding duplicate releases and solo works) have been
produced by Tangerine Dream?
You can include compilations.
Let me know as eventually I'd like to collect them all! >>
i have seen books of over 150 pages devoted to this question...
and i even have two of them... one isnt that big.. the other is
only half of a two book set.. and its over an inch thick...
From:
Antonio Nunes
> Thanks for the explanation of what 'SBM' version means- I wondering myself!
> -joe
Why do you answer on this list? This thread was from the _other_ list!
IMHO the creation of this list was a great idea when the other list was
shut down, but now that it was reopened, I don't see any reason for the
existence of 2 different TD lists.
Antonio
From:
'Plumer, Scott' How many albums (excluding duplicate releases and solo works) have been
produced by Tangerine Dream?
This is pasted from my book:
25 Studio albums
9 Live albums
21 Compilations
26 Soundtracks
33 Singles
110 Total
The studio and live albums are all still in print, and thus are pretty easy
to find. The ST's come and go, and the singles usually get deleted once
they've been initially released and are rare finds indeed. The comps are
ostly still available.
Scott
From:
Frederic Yargui
Thanks for the explanation of what 'SBM' version means- I wondering myself!
-joe
|> >ok
|> >what is SBM version??
[...]
|>
|> SBM is an acronym used by Virgin (I believe) to designate an electronic
|> re-processing that improves the overall sound of some of the
|> older releases. I
|> don't know the technology, but the SOUND is definitely better.
|>
|> John Poer
|>
[===============]
It means SUPER BIT MAPPING. The format for CDDA (compact disc digital
audio) is 16bit @ 44kHz (really 44.1 kHz)
SBM has a resolution of 20 (maybe 24) bit. Some ears can hear the
difference.
eg, some DAT (recorder) has a key 'SBM'.
But when you listen to a CD, you hear 16bit again... well, SBM is like AAD
versus DDD compact discs : there is one stage where the sound processing
has been made a better way than the 'normal' way.
HTH... with those clumsy info,
Fred
From:
'Robert M Rancich'
From:
Frederic Yargui
From:
Frederic Yargui
Hello Everyone!
I'm new to this list and I just wanted to say Hello! to everyone.
[===============]
Hello, Single One !!
Actually not new but re-joining after an absence of a few years.
TD is great - isn't it? I've been a fan now for almost 10 years.
[===============]
And now, it's over?
My favorite period is the Virgin years with Schmoeling and Franke.
Can anyone tell me if there's anything like a consensus on this
point?
[===============]
I like Schmoelling & Franke but I _love_ Linda Spa.
(BTW, Linda Kohanov too... hehe just bought two -rare- CD from their web...)
By the way - the last TD studio release bought by me was Goblin's Club.
Have they released any studio productions after this and if so
are they worth buying?
[===============]
hmmmm....... timesquare??
Ask Morgan on the other list :-) (-:
Don't buy Ambient Monkeys :-( )-:
IMHO of course.
Later!
Bob
[===============]
So long,
Fred
From:
'Plumer, Scott' I'm new to this list and I just wanted to say Hello! to everyone.
>Actually not new but re-joining after an absence of a few years.
>TD is great - isn't it? I've been a fan now for almost 10 years.
> My favorite period is the Virgin years with Schmoeling and Franke.
>Can anyone tell me if there's anything like a consensus on this
>point?
Years? Wrong list! :-)
>By the way - the last TD studio release bought by me was Goblin's Club.
>Have they released any studio productions after this and if so
>are they worth buying?
Ha ha! You opened up a 55-gal. drum of worms with that question! They've had
several releases since GC, but none have really seen major distribution.
Stadouts were Oasis, Ambient Monkeys, and The Keep soundtrack. Yes, I said
the Keep, but don't get yer panties in a bunch. Only a few tracks from the
film appear on the ST. It's still good, though, if you out aside the
expectation of it actually having the film music. Problem was, they only
made a few hundred (forget the exact #) and sold them on their '97 UK tour.
Ambient Monkeys was a collection of music and sound effects they played
before their shows in '97, and is, IMHO, a masterpiece. Oasis is the weakest
of the three, but still very good. It's a ST to a Canyon Dreams-style video.
Other recent releases include Tournado, live from Zabrze, '97, which is OK,
not super; Jim & Pablo, der Meteor, a ST for a kid's story that's supposed
to be pretty bad, but I haven't heard it; Timesquare: Dream Mixes II,
another Dream Mixes collection which is good if you like that sort of thing;
and last but not least Dream Dice, a 12-Cd collection of 6 previous recent
releases and 6 new releases that escape me at the moment, which are also
available separately. Wow, now that I think about it, perhaps you should
check CDNow or the TDI site to find out about all these. There are several
you might find interesting. Or you could buy a copy of my TD book...
Scott
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> From: Matthew Williams [mailto:matthew.williams@n...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 4:32 AM
> To: tadream-owner@O...
> Subject: Re: [tadream] /unsub/Acoupleofquickquestionsasyouleave....txt
>
>
> Using mail from work. No other reason. Love TD though.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Date: 06 April 1999 09:19
> Subject: [tadream] /unsub/Acoupleofquickquestionsasyouleave....txt
>
>
> >Subject: A couple of quick questions as you leave...
> >
> >Sorry to see you leave our community of Tangerine Dream fans.
> >
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> >
>
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> To: tadream@o...
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>
>
> From: Daventura
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>a ST for a kid's story that's supposed to be pretty bad
I know about Rumplestiltskin--do you mean something else?
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>
>
> From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>
> >a ST for a kid's story that's supposed to be pretty bad
>
> I know about Rumplestiltskin--do you mean something else?
>
> --Thomas
>
I am sure he is talking about Jim & Pablo. While Rumplestiltskin is a great
soundtrack it is even better because after the music+words on the CD there
is all the music minus the words. J&P just has words and music. And unless
you know German (and maybe if you do) it is simple annoying. The music just
gets going and then there is *who knows what* being said. For completists only
for a long time when it was rare and expensive. Now it is available for $15 or
so.
Joel
From:
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From:
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Date: Wed Apr 7, 1999 7:36
am
Subject: Re: Hello Everyone!
Greetings everyone
----------
> De : Joel Mullen
> A : 'tadream@o...'
> Objet : [tadream] Re: Hello Everyone!
> Date : mercredi 7 avril 1999 18:37
>
> From: Joel Mullen
>
> I am sure he is talking about Jim & Pablo. While Rumplestiltskin is a
great
> soundtrack it is even better because after the music+words on the CD
there
> is all the music minus the words.
It's not entirely true because there's a piece, a little sequenced one, you
can hear in the story but it never appeared after as a single track
Friendly from France
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From:
Joel Mullen > From: Joel Mullen
> >
> > I am sure he is talking about Jim & Pablo. While Rumplestiltskin is a
> great
> > soundtrack it is even better because after the music+words on the CD
> there
> > is all the music minus the words.
>
> It's not entirely true because there's a piece, a little sequenced one, you
> can hear in the story but it never appeared after as a single track
>
> Friendly from France
>
> Yannick Edom
I guess I never got that far! :-D
Joel
From:
XxphyIeX@a...
Date: Wed Apr 7, 1999 10:57
am
Subject: scotts book
In a message dated 4/7/99 6:47:00 AM EDT, tadream@o... writes:
<< Or you could buy a copy of my TD book... >>
i bought this.. um well. ok traded for it.. and it is one of my few
prize possessions.. however.. i think additions should be sent
to those who want them...
if i was to receive some additional pages to insert in my copy
of this book.. theres no telling how fast i would compensate
the author.. hehe...
take my word for it people.. . get this fucking book...
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> In a message dated 4/7/99 6:47:00 AM EDT,
> tadream@o... writes:
>
> << Or you could buy a copy of my TD book... >>
>
> i bought this.. um well. ok traded for it.. and it
> is one of my few
> prize possessions.. however.. i think additions
> should be sent
> to those who want them...
>
> if i was to receive some additional pages to insert
> in my copy
> of this book.. theres no telling how fast i would
> compensate
> the author.. hehe...
>
> take my word for it people.. . get this fucking
> book...
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>a ST for a kid's story that's supposed to be pretty bad
I know about Rumplestiltskin--do you mean something else?
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i bought this.. um well. ok traded for it.. and it is one of my few
prize possessions.. however.. i think additions should be sent
to those who want them...
if i was to receive some additional pages to insert in my copy
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What's this I hear about a book?
What book... 'We need Information, Information,
Information...'
Let me know where to go to buy the Who' ting...
j.gordon
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> In a message dated 4/7/99 6:47:00 AM EDT,
> tadream@o... writes:
>
> << Or you could buy a copy of my TD book... >>
>
> i bought this.. um well. ok traded for it.. and it
> is one of my few
> prize possessions.. however.. i think additions
> should be sent
> to those who want them...
>
> if i was to receive some additional pages to insert
> in my copy
> of this book.. theres no telling how fast i would
> compensate
> the author.. hehe...
>
> take my word for it people.. . get this fucking
> book...
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From:
Joel Mullen From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> Can someone provide me with a good-sized color scan of the front and back of
> 'Patrolling Space Borders'? Thanks.
>
> Scott
>
Scott-
I can, I just did that for someone else. How big of a file can I send you
and to which address.
Joel
From:
'J. Lee Jolley'
From:
TJames0001@xxx.xxx
Date: Wed Apr 7, 1999 5:29
pm
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Hi
I have the keep...
How much do you want to pay?
From:
Joel Mullen I can't get 'The Keep' from anywhere???? :-(
> any ideas?????
The Keep was released in limited quantities during the second 1/2 of the 1997
world
tour. Only 150 are said to exist. The current price for an original CD is
close to $200
if you can find someone who will part with it. Of course there are always
people who
make CD-R copies of these hard-to-find releases. Contact me off-list if you
want to
talk about these horrible people. Such vile language should not be used in a
public forum.
From:
Joel Mullen From: TJames0001@a...
>
> Hi
> I have the keep...
>
> How much do you want to pay?
Which 'keep' are you referring to? The 'blue moon bootleg' is not the official
release BTW
Neither is the Fantasy Merchants release.
From:
'Francisco Salgado C.' It means SUPER BIT MAPPING. The format for CDDA (compact disc digital
> audio) is 16bit @ 44kHz (really 44.1 kHz)
> SBM has a resolution of 20 (maybe 24) bit. Some ears can hear the
> difference.
>
> eg, some DAT (recorder) has a key 'SBM'.
>
> But when you listen to a CD, you hear 16bit again... well, SBM is like AAD
> versus DDD compact discs : there is one stage where the sound processing
> has been made a better way than the 'normal' way.
>
> HTH... with those clumsy info,
>
> Fred
Hi
I wanted to point out the reason of SBM.
When the digital media appeared, back in 1978 or so, every electronics
engineer who attended to an analog to digital conversion lecture though
he knew everything about sampling and digital conversion. (That
technique was developed a decade earlier to be used in digital
communications equipment and digital signal analysis ( lab and
scientific equipment)).
Everybody supposed that with a 16 bit sampling would result in a 16 bit
resolution; and also everybody 'knew' it doesn't matter whether the
audio signal had more than 96 dB S/n ratio or not the conversion process
would be equally accurate.
The problem with poor A/D conversion began to be noticed well into the
top 80'ies beginning of the 90'ies when in controlled tests a lot of
listeners ( with not so golden ears) noticed the difference between an
analog original and it's digital master.
The problem became more emphasized with the introduction of 16 bit
digital mixing consoles.
So thousands of records delivered to the public in the 80ies had a
flawed A/D conversion. But NOT the ones result of direct analog master-
to digital CD
Let's say many AAD CD's sounded way better than the DDD counterparts.
If you try to mix an analog level A with the analog level B the result
would be A+B. but what happens when you do this in the digital domain?
You're loosing resolution. Since a digital mix console is a series od
additions or subtractions ( remember a digital filter is no more than
additions/ substations/ divisions) so when that operation takes place
100 times you end up with a dull sound much poorer than the analog
counterpart.
Let's say that the a normal 16 bit master has always more than 16 bit
resolution, even if you don't want it, so there are sub bit information
you're loosing when processing in 16 bits. and it's a very important
information specially at low levels.
that lost info is stereo image, reverb and echo info. And also subtle
digital distortion becomes more and more evident as the ear is trained
to 'see' the difference between a non distorted and a digitally
distorted signal.
So what's SBM?
SBM is a process, patented by SONY, but with a lot of non patented
variants spread in all the modern recording and processing equipment.
when using SBM signal is recorded at 20-24 bits added to a special
'noise' signal with a volume close the the lowest bit resolution and
then truncate the result to the appropriate bit resolution ( 8 16 or 20
bits).
That way, the digital chain except for the last step takes place at 24
or 32 or 64 bits to keep the signal processing as accurate as possible
avoiding sub bit erasing and the digital distortion problem. The final
step assures, also that, the resolution is near to 20 bits at
frequencies below 5 kHz and near to 18 bits below
10 Khz so on the 99,9% of the audible signal you're getting at least 2
more bits resolution and 2 more bits mean you get 4 times more dynamic
range( 12 dB). and on the 70% of the audio signal ( remember treble
begin at 2-3Khz!!) you're getting 4 more bits or 16 times the dynamic
range (24 dB) !!
Hilmar kraft has an analogy: it's like the picture on a magazine. it's
composed of tinny dots of cyan-yellow-blue that you see only of you get
close enough, else you see a nice good picture.
SBM uses special signal whose power frequencies lie at the 16 Kz range
and above; and it's level is so tinny its around 80-90 dB below the
average audio signal. No human ear ( be it golden or nor) is able to
hear that noise !!!) and this special 'noise' improves the resolution of
the audible signal so much that the noise floor instead of being at 96
dB is at 135 dB ( A weighted).
The value of SBM lies in the process it self. It's not necessary to have
an SBM 'aware' CD player. Plain CD players benefit from the SBM A/D
processing since the effect lies in the recording step. Once you get an
SBM digital master the info encoded in it will be audible in a normal 16
bit D/A CD/DAT player.
Hope this helps a bit
( sorry if i'm too technical)
---francisco
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JMPoer From: 'Francisco Salgado C.'
>
>Hi
>
>I wanted to point out the reason of SBM.
>
< snip>
Thanks Francisco,
That's about the BEST explanation of the WHY and the HOW of SBM I've ever seen.
Thanks again.
John M. Poer
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
From:
'Jim Moore' i bought this.. um well. ok traded for it.. and it is one of my few
>prize possessions.. however.. i think additions should be sent
>to those who want them...
>
>take my word for it people.. . get this fucking book...
I'll second the praise for this book: I've found it to be a very
good resource for a lot of information. I'm a real goof for wanting
to know specifics like recording dates and such, and Scott's
book goes a long way towards answering a lot of those questions.
- jim
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From:
Joel Mullen Any new Albums on the way???
on April 30 Sohoman-Live in Sydney 1982 Live
coming 99 Star Trooper-The Classical Edge of Tangerine Dream Studio
coming 99 Twilight Folder Compilation
coming 99 Antique Dreams Compilation
coming 99 Soundmill Navigator-Live at the Philharmonics 1976 Live
coming 99 Lion's Share Studio
on April 16 What a Blast Album
in June 99 Architecture in Motion (What a Blast -1 track) Album&Video
in May 99 Mars Polaris -Disk 1 Soundtrack
in June 99 Mars Polaris -Disk 2 Soundtrack
From:
Mats Nordlinder
From:
TJames0001@xxx.xxx
Date: Thu Apr 8, 1999 7:05
am
Subject: Re: more live-albums ?
Anyone know where I can get Dream Dice in the states?
From:
'j.gordon' wrote:
> From: Mats Nordlinder
>
> Hi everyone !
>
> Valentine´s Wheel........is it good? should I get it?
>
> Sohoman and Soundmill Navigator.....sounds great....but...
> will they release more live-albums in the future and from which year?
>
> all the best from Mats in Sweden
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From:
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From:
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From:
Frederic Yargui
From:
Marcelo Gutierrez
To: tadream@o...
Subject: [tadream] Transsiberia vs Destination Berlin??
Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 6:36 PM
I've just been looking at the review for Transsiberia soundtrack on TDIs'
Home page.
Anyone heard it yet? Has anyone got any feed back on it???
I see Quinoa has also been released....
and Valentine Wheels....
I don't think I will have any money left when I get paid
must have all TD material..... can't resist it's pull!!!
:-)
Wonder if Transsiberia is as good as Destination Berlin....?
Transsiberia is at least 10 times better, I would say the best TD album
since a long while, get it!
Marcelo
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From:
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From:
'j.gordon' wrote:
> I've just been looking at the review for Transsiberia soundtrack on TDIs'
> Home page.
> Anyone heard it yet? Has anyone got any feed back on it???
> I see Quinoa has also been released....
> and Valentine Wheels....
> Wonder if Transsiberia is as good as Destination Berlin....?
Hi,
j.gordon here. I have Transsibera soundtrack, Quinoa, Valentine Wheels and
Destination Berlin...
IMHO, Destination Berlin, a personal fave, is what I call 'a bit of the
cheese', in the composition style, something I love... Transsibera has none of
that... it is a different compositional package and, in the end, it would be
similar to comparing Live Miles with 220 volt: both are good in their own
right, but come from different periods in TD history and so, depending on your
sway, you may like one or t'other better... however, suffice it to say that
Transsibera is really, really good... FYI, there is a heavy 'quote' (to use a
Jazz term) in one of the last tracks from Optical Race...
Quinoa, is, after many listenings, IMO, one of the best studio albums to come
out since Melrose... really strong pieces... If you have to buy just one album
in the next moon, be it Quinoa...
Valentine Wheels is fabulous... can't go wrong there...
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> From: 'teiwaz _'
>
> was reading the liner notes for Hans Zimmer's Millenium soundtrack and
> it was mentioned that he was in Tangerine Dream. Any idea when this
> was? perhaps before the Virgin years?
>
> --teiwaz
j.gordon here...
I follow movie score composers... Hans is one of the top ten... can you imagine
a teaming of TD and HZ... wow, I would like to hear that score...
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>Reply-To: tadream@o...
>To: tadream@o...
>Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 25
>Date: 9 Apr 1999 10:00:19 -0000
>Are you hogging all the fun?
>Friends tell friends about ONElist!
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>There are 11 messages in this issue.
>Topics in today's digest:
> 1. Edgar bestows his blessings on tadream@o...!
> From: 'Joe Shoults'
> 2. Transsiberia vs Destination Berlin??
> From: 'J. Lee Jolley'
> 3. Quinoa
> From: 'J. Lee Jolley'
> 4. TR: [tadream] Quinoa
> From: Frederic Yargui
> 5. TR: [tadream] Transsiberia vs Destination Berlin??
> From: Frederic Yargui
> 6. Re: Transsiberia vs Destination Berlin??
> From: Marcelo Gutierrez
> 7. Re: Quinoa
> From: JMPoer
> 8. Hans Zimmer--in TD when?
> From: 'teiwaz _'
> 9. Re: Transsiberia vs Destination Berlin??
> From: 'j.gordon'
> 10. Re: TR: [tadream] Quinoa
> From: 'j.gordon'
> 11. Re: Hans Zimmer--in TD when?
> From: 'j.gordon'
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From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 1:14
pm
Subject: Re: Quinoa
> < snip>
> ' If you value your lives be some were else. '
> Delenne, Severed Dreams...
> Shadow
>
> TURN OFF YOUR HTML !!!!!!
> John
Yes. (thanks, John)
Shadow, and anybody else that needs instructions:
Here are instructions on how to turn off your HTML:
http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm
I have added this to the message footer until the message gets across.
-joe listowner
From:
yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick)
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 1:20
pm
Subject: French TD LPs to trade
Greetings everyone,
i looked at my collection and i found somme french TD LPs i have to trade.
I know some of you could be interested.
Here they are
- Alpha Centauri (Cosmic couriers/OHR)
- Atem (Clémentine)
- Rubycon (Virgin)
- Ricochet (Virgin)
- Stratosfear (Virgin)
- Sorcerer (Virgin)
- Cyclone (Virgin)
- Force Majeure (Virgin)
- Tangram (Virgin)
- Thief (Virgin)
- Exit (Virgin)
- Risky Business (Virgin)
- Poland (Jive France)
- Aqua (single cover) by froese (Virgin)
- Romance 76 by Baumann (Virgin)
I also have some boot LPs to trade too
- Bicycle Race (multicoloured vinyl)
- Timeless Space (double LP)
- Soudtrack BOX (4 Cassettes BOX)
All are in good condition
I also am looking for the Ossiach Live triple LP and the Baumann/Koek LP
Friendly from France.
Yannick Edom
Mirage Conceptions Visuelles
Champlain B7 A101
47 Chemin de pelleport
31500 Toulouse
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 1:45
pm
Subject: Self-quote
j.gordon here.
I checked on that 'quote' on the last track of Transsibera, The Golden Horn.
The quote comes from Optical Race track 8, Turning Off the Wheel.
I call it a quote because it is not simply a use of the same tone, but also of
the same rhythm/pattern. The new piece is just as good as the old.
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From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 1:51
pm
Subject: Re: French TD LPs to trade
Hello everyone-
If you wish to respond to Yannick, please do it privately (off-list).
Thank you,
joe shoults
listowner
> From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick)
> Greetings everyone,
>
> i looked at my collection and i found somme french TD LPs i have to trade.
From:
'Plumer, Scott'
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 2:42
pm
Subject: HTML
The other option is to get mail programs that read HTML (like mine :-).
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@c...]
Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 9:14 AM
To: tadream@o...
Subject: [tadream] Re: Quinoa
From: 'Joe Shoults'
> < snip>
> ' If you value your lives be some were else. '
> Delenne, Severed Dreams...
> Shadow
>
> TURN OFF YOUR HTML !!!!!!
> John
Yes. (thanks, John)
Shadow, and anybody else that needs instructions:
Here are instructions on how to turn off your HTML:
http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm
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From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 2:42
pm
Subject: Re: HTML
> The other option is to get mail programs that read HTML (like mine :-).
Yes, but as Spock said, 'The needs of the many...'
;-)
-Joe
From:
'James Horecka, AIA'
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 3:22
pm
Subject: Re: HTML
It is simply customary in a listserv to send 'plain text' to the list. Your
address book in your e-mail application should have a setting that allows
you to check a box such as 'Send E-mail using plain text only' for just that
particular address. It's that easy, and it's the proper protocol, certainly
important to get straight at the beginning with new lists. It doesn't mean
you have to send plain text to everyone, or even think about it again once
you make the setting. Just the list. And it's not because others can or
cannot see the html. There are other reasons, too, including bandwidth,
speed, and the 'spirit' of a listserv.
Looking forward to hearing news about my favorite artists.
From:
'Plumer, Scott'
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 5:12
pm
Subject: Re: Hans Zimmer--in TD when?
>was reading the liner notes for Hans Zimmer's Millenium soundtrack and
>it was mentioned that he was in Tangerine Dream. Any idea when this
>was? perhaps before the Virgin years?
Zimmer was never in TD. Here's a list of all the current & former TD members
and their approximate tenure, from my book:
Edgar Froese: 1967 - present
Kurt Herkenberg: 1967
Volker Hombach: 1967
Lanse Hapshash: 1967
Charly Prince: 1967
Paul Wheeler: 1967 - 1969?
Sven Ake Johanson: 1967 - 1969
Steve Joliffe: 1967 - 1969?
Nik Turner: 1967 - 1969?
Klaus Schulze: 1969 - 1970
Conrad Schnitzler: 1969 - 1970
Steve Schryoder: 1970 - 1971
Chris Franke: 1970 - 1987
Peter Baumann: 1971 - 1977
Michael Hoenig: 1975
Klaus Krieger: 1978 - 1979
Johannes Schmoelling: 1979 - 1985
Paul Haslinger: 1986 - 1990
Ralf Wadephal: 1988 - 1989
Jerome Froese: 1990 - present
Linda Spa: 1990 - 1997
Zlatko Perica: 1992 - 1995, 1997
Marc Alexej: 1997
Emil Hachfeld: 1997 - present
This includes everyone who could be counted as an actual member, not just
guest musicians.
Scott
From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 6:32
pm
Subject: Re: Hans Zimmer--in TD when?
> From: 'teiwaz _'
> was reading the liner notes for Hans Zimmer's Millenium soundtrack and
> it was mentioned that he was in Tangerine Dream. Any idea when this
> was? perhaps before the Virgin years?
Are you sure it said he was 'in' TD, or worked 'with' TD? Maybe it was on a
soundtrack- does it mention the movie?
From:
JMPoer
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 6:22
pm
Subject: Re: HTML
At 10:42 AM 4/9/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>The other option is to get mail programs that read HTML (like mine :-).
>
>Scott
Yes that's true, an mine actually does, BUT if you take a look at the Digests,
(especially the original list) you'll see that the digest compilers don't
understand HTML and just make a hash of all the messages that follow an HTML
message.
I KEEP the digests as reference and discard the immediate messages as they get
old, but many of the digests are virtually unreadable now, because of the HTML
problem.
Dave Datta says that problem really can't be fixed for now.
So that's why I complained.
Thanks.
John Poer
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
From:
Frederic Yargui
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 8:03
pm
Subject: Re: TR: [tadream] Quinoa
From: 'j.gordon'
BTW any clue for question #1 of the new
> contest ? :-)
j.gordon here...
Clue: use those search engines... =:^1>
[===============]
The problem is : Project Ozma was a project in which F Drake heared the
emission of other galaxies (I sum up volontarily) and NOT sending anything
to eventual ET!!
Pionner and Voyager are NOT included in Ozma (am I wrong?)
Fred- presently known as a web surfer who already asked some search
engines.
From:
'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 9:48
pm
Subject: NEW MEMBER
New to the internet but very pleased to find loads of information about T.D
Its been a long time since I've seen them live about five years or so .
I was also pleased to find the band were still performing live as I have been
off the scene for a while ,work etc.
It will take me a while to get the hang of things but will be glad to receive
any mail you lot out ther wish to send.
Talk to you soon.
From:
'Ambassador Nelaskon'
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 10:37
pm
Subject: Greetings Dreamers!
Hey, what's up? Tangerine Dream rocks. You all rock.
Anyway, I am making a 4CD collection of TD fom 1980-1998. I also plan on
making copies and giving them to some friends and such. Anyway, the first CD is
IMO very easy. I know exactly what has to be on there (but I need Thief). I DO
know which albums I want on which CDs though.
CD1: Tangram - Hyperborea
CD2: Poland - Miracle Mile
CD3: Lily - Tyranny
CD4: DM1 - Transsiberia
Right now I'm having a major problem with the last one, and I may have
trouble with 2 and 3.
So here's my question for you. If you were to put together 78 minutes of TD
from the following albums, what would it be?
Here they are:
Dream Mixes One
Goblins' Club
Oasis
Tournado
TimeSquare
Transsiberia
Here's what I WANT to put on it:
Sojus
-
Towards The Evening Star
Lamb With Radar Eyes
Elf June And The Midnight Patrol
-
Waterborne
Summer Storm
-
220 Volt BVV
Little Blond In The Park Of Attractions
Touchwood FM
-
Evening Star BGM
Pixel Pirates
-
Siberian Lights
This is obviously negotiable, but I think this captures the best. I put 3
from GC on there because it seems like the only way the CD will have
direction...
Anyway, it's a little too long. What would YOU do with it?
ThanX!
-Nelaskon ECA
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From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 10:50
pm
Subject: new website location active!
Hello friends-
Ahead of schedule, we have opened the new, simpler URL location for the
tadream listserve homepage.
The new address is: http://tadream.copfer.com. A redirect has been placed
on the old site that will bounce you to the new one, but replace your
bookmarks so that you do not get that annoying pop-up window.
If you would like for us to link to your own site, or know of TD-related
sites not listed, let us know. In fact, let us know if you have any ideas
in general, as we are currently building a newer, multimedia-enhanced site
in the background.
Enjoy!
-joe shoults
listowner
From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 10:56
pm
Subject: Re: Greetings Dreamers!
Welcome, and thanks for joining, Ambassador!
Please be aware that the open discussion of bootlegging and/or piracy cannot
be condoned, advocated or supported by this list. Please keep any such
discussions on a private level.
THANKS,
joe shoults, listowner
> -----Original Message-----
> Anyway, I am making a 4CD collection of TD fom 1980-1998. I
> also plan on making copies and giving them to some friends and
> such. Anyway, the first CD is IMO very easy. I know exactly what
>
> ThanX!
>
> -Nelaskon ECA
>
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 11:10
pm
Subject: Re: Greetings Dreamers!
> So here's my question for you. If you were to put together 78 minutes
> of TD from the following albums, what would it be?
I made a 60 minute tape covering this period last year. I called it
'Tangerine Dream Shakes Your Ass' Anyway, here's what I'd do with 78
minutes:
Virtually Fields (6:50)
Rough Embrace (5:30)
Sojus (9:19)
Touchwood (Radio Version) (4:02)
San Rocco (7:17)
Towards the Evening Star (Original Version) (6:16)
Waterborne (original version) (7:20)
Flashflood (7:01)
Digital Sister (7:10)
Timesquare (8:42)
Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe (Sunset radio mix) (4:08)
Baikal Sunrise (4:42)
Total: 77:17
As you can see, I have a fondness for The Dream Mixes.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'J. Lee Jolley'
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 11:22
pm
Subject: Re: - Transsiberia vs Destination Berlin
I agree with everyone who has answered this thread. TD grows on you. I
remember the first time I Listened to 'oasis' Everyone had been raving on
about it, to be honest I didn't rate among the greats....... Then after a
few weeks I REALLY LISTENED to it and found how good it really was.
There are no best, greatest hits. You could ask me my favourite of the
moment and I'd say..
'This week it's Song of the whale Pt2. From Underwater Sunlight.' Last week
I would have said,
'Twenty-Nine Palms from Lily on the Beach.'
But I still have to say that I'm really looking forword to my next TD
Albums. :-)
' If you value your lives be some were else. '
Delenne, Severed Dreams...
Shadow
From:
'J. Lee Jolley'
Date: Fri Apr 9, 1999 11:49
pm
Subject: (no subject)
I've sorted out my HTML blunder
Sorry peeps
Didn't realise I was doin' it till I got your messages......
' If you value your lives be some were else. '
Delenne, Severed Dreams...
Shadow
From:
'James Horecka, AIA'
Date: Sat Apr 10, 1999 12:43
am
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Hey, Shadow,
I see you, too, are a B5 fan.
I got 'turned on' to TD after buying CF's Babylon 5 Soundtrack CD at a
Sci-Fi convention several years ago. One thing led to another. The second CD
I bought was Ricochet, what a great place to start!
Shadow, do you have a pretty good collection of the B5 'Episodic' CD's? I've
got many, including some specials.
With the new B5 spin-off, 'Crusade,' the show uses a different
composer/musician, no more CF for the moment.
I wonder what he'll be up to? CF's Sonic Images is a good www site to visit.
James E. Horecka, AIA
ARCHITECT
32902 Haddock Street
Winchester, California 92596
http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka
jhorecka@p...
909-926-4138
-----Original Message-----
From: J. Lee Jolley
>' If you value your lives be some were else. '
>Delenne, Severed Dreams...
From:
Daventura
Date: Sat Apr 10, 1999 8:47
am
Subject: Joe and The List Police
I was and still am a happy member of the 'other' list. Or as some might
call it, the 'original' list. I take offense to your slamming of the
'unmoderated' forum that we all grew to love and depend on for
up to the date news and information. Of course, we strayed from
'on topics' once in awhile, but we always came back to TD.
If it weren't for Dave Datta, none of us would even know each
other. As far as bootleg/fantapes are concerned, this is my opinion:
If you can't buy it in a store, you can make as many copies of it as you like.
(Just for personal friends and family or fellow listees, not for profit)
I mean this Joe, don't get me wrong...I'm sure that this list will
surely prosper. With a link on the TD homepage, I'm sure that
this list will quickly outgrow the 'old' list. But please, don't forget
where you came from. Perhaps I'm just pissed because you took the
initiative to start this list before I did. But then again, my Spice Girls
list is flourishing...
Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong....
Daventura...NOT the listowner
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PAULE POPO wrote:
> From: Daventura
>
> I was and still am a happy member of the 'other'
> list. Or as some might
> call it, the 'original' list. I take offense to your
> slamming of the
> 'unmoderated' forum that we all grew to love and
> depend on for
> up to the date news and information. Of course, we
> strayed from
> 'on topics' once in awhile, but we always came back
> to TD.
> If it weren't for Dave Datta, none of us would even
> know each
> other. As far as bootleg/fantapes are concerned,
> this is my opinion:
> If you can't buy it in a store, you can make as many
> copies of it as you like.
> (Just for personal friends and family or fellow
> listees, not for profit)
> I mean this Joe, don't get me wrong...I'm sure that
> this list will
> surely prosper. With a link on the TD homepage, I'm
> sure that
> this list will quickly outgrow the 'old' list. But
> please, don't forget
> where you came from. Perhaps I'm just pissed because
> you took the
> initiative to start this list before I did. But then
> again, my Spice Girls
> list is flourishing...
> Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be
> wrong....
>
> Daventura...NOT the listowner
>
>
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From:
'j.gordon' The problem is : Project Ozma was a project in which F Drake heared the
> emission of other galaxies (I sum up volontarily) and NOT sending anything
> to eventual ET!!
>
> Pionner and Voyager are NOT included in Ozma (am I wrong?)
>
> Fred- presently known as a web surfer who already asked some search
> engines.
--------------------------
j.gordon here...
you, sir, may be absoultely correct... I, myself, had a couple questions
concerning the wording of the questions on the quiz... The english isn't
perfect, though it's close, which actually makes it even more difficult... for
example in question 7, do they really mean sqares, or do they mean sides?...
anyway, I took them all at face value... good luck...
From a Rising Runner to an Endless Sender...
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From:
PAULE POPO
From:
'J. Lee Jolley'
From:
Frederic Yargui The problem is : Project Ozma was a project in which F Drake heared the
> emission of other galaxies (I sum up volontarily) and NOT sending anything
> to eventual ET!!
>
> Pionner and Voyager are NOT included in Ozma (am I wrong?)
>
> Fred- presently known as a web surfer who already asked some search
> engines.
--------------------------
j.gordon here...
you, sir, may be absoultely correct... I, myself, had a couple questions
concerning the wording of the questions on the quiz... The english isn't
perfect, though it's close, which actually makes it even more difficult... for
example in question 7, do they really mean sqares, or do they mean sides?...
anyway, I took them all at face value... good luck...
>From a Rising Runner to an Endless Sender...
jgordon
[===============]
Hi, Rising (Road) Runner - bip!bip!
About q#7 I think it is all objects of inferior dimension (than 4) : corners =
vertices, squares = edges, 3 dim dices = 3 dim cubes.
(it is normal for them to speak of dices !!!) and I sometimes ask myself
whether my frenchy english is not better than their own ;-)
Fred-
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From:
Vic Rek From: Daventura
>
> I was and still am a happy member of the 'other' list. Or as some might
> call it, the 'original' list. I take offense to your slamming of the
> 'unmoderated' forum that we all grew to love and depend on for
> up to the date news and information. Of course, we strayed from
> 'on topics' once in awhile, but we always came back to TD.
> If it weren't for Dave Datta, none of us would even know each
> other... [..]
There is only ONE TD list and it's tadream (not on Onelist) - so don't
market us with the fact that TD is signing up to it. The same people on
tadream (quote 'trouble makers ' - are on your list too). So moderate
away - but I don't see the point! Any important information I'll always
post to the original TADREAM as long as it exists. I do not crosspost
either. If you don't provide your group with info to this list then
shame on you.
BTW, check out my trade list at http://idt.net/~torque19/td_trade.htm -
there you will find the way to subscribe to the original list, if not
then please e-mail me off-list.
Oh, sorry - it's called the 'other list'. Later, and sorry for the rise
in blood pressure! :-)
Vic
From:
Vic Rek Hello everyone-
> If you wish to respond to Yannick, please do it privately (off-list).
>
> Thank you,
> joe shoults
> listowner
>
> > From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick)
> > Greetings everyone,
> >
> > i looked at my collection and i found somme french TD LPs i have to trade.
From:
Vic Rek
> From: 'Joe Shoults'
>
> Welcome, and thanks for joining, Ambassador!
>
> Please be aware that the open discussion of bootlegging and/or piracy cannot
> be condoned, advocated or supported by this list. Please keep any such
> discussions on a private level.
Thank you SIR LISTOWNER !
What can you contribute about TD that is worthwhile?
Like -Do you like Destination Berlin?
Vic
From:
'Ambassador Nelaskon'
From:
'teiwaz _'
From:
'j.gordon'
> Hi, Rising (Road) Runner - bip!bip!
>
> About q#7 I think it is all objects of inferior dimension (than 4) : corners
> = vertices, squares = edges, 3 dim dices = 3 dim cubes.
>
> (it is normal for them to speak of dices !!!) and I sometimes ask myself
> whether my frenchy english is not better than their own ;-)
>
> Fred-
-----------------------
j.gordon here...
I've found, living in Switzerland, that usually a group of non-native English
speakers whose English is 'pretty-good' understand each other better than
native English speakers do... maybe that gives the non-native English speaking
population an 'edge' on the competition...
From a Rising Runner to and Endless Sender...
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From:
'matthew christopher williams'
From:
'j.gordon' wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Just thought I would write introduce myself,I joined the list today,I used
> to be on a TD mailing list few yrs ago but don`t think it was this one...
j.gordon here.
Welcome to the list on this side of the pond, Matt... your inbox will be full
in the morning from all the writings that have gone on during the waking hours
in the US and then be barren for the rest of the day... :)
I myself can be found kicking around Zurich on the best of days, though I hail
from THAT side of the Atlantic... :)
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From:
Jeff Stevenson From: 'matthew christopher williams'
>
> Hi everyone,
Hi Matt. Welcome back to the list...although this is a new list formed
since the first of the year. The old list is still alive on Majordomo tho.
What made you leave it before?
From:
'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
From:
'Joe Shoults'
From:
'teiwaz _' From: 'Joe Shoults'
>It seems that clarification is needed in regards to some policies of
>this list, and since some have seen fit to raise the subject on-list,
>I'll attempt to clarify them here, hopefully for good. I'm asking
>you to think about this from a moderator's perspective for a moment.
Joe, I like to play devil's advocate and admit at one point I had over
a year's worth of unread digests from that other list. I'd had it,
too. And I'm glad this list formed. Alas, I do find my self reading
the other list now, too. heh
Of course, I find TD much more interesting now than I have in some
time. Can't help but keep hoping for a US tour regardless of venue
size. And sheesh that ole Haslinger boy sure has been shaping up.
He seems to have left the cheese behind. There's nothing cheesy about
his COMA VIRUS release Hidden. I haven't heard his soundtrack work
with Graeme Revell, yet.
>2) I have promised EDGAR that I would endeavor to keep bootlegging
out of
>public discussion.
And Joe--I can see why as a moderator--you are forced to remind
everyone to keep the dreaded 'B' word out of this forum. And yes, I
have been testing the limits here.
And I'm looking forward to those rarities releases that have been
mentioned on the TDI website--maybe I can finally get a copy of
'Overture' that isn't from an old used scratched piece of vinyl.
Or, shudder to think, 'Ultima Thule'.
--teiwaz
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From:
MR S M COULSON
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 7:10
pm
Subject: 1984
Hello there! Just a quick introductory e-mail from a new member who's
spent the last few years immersed in the TD soundworld. They're rather
good, aren't they? Anyway -I'm rambling already!- I have a suggestion for
you all. I know this is a TD discussion group and all that, but I'd like
to talk about another artist who's mentioned in Paul Stump's 'Critical
Discography of TD' book. The artist in question is Anthony Phillips, and
I've recently managed to get hold of an anthology CD of his work. To all
of you who love Underwater Sunlight I have this suggestion: go out right
now and buy, order or steal a copy of Phillips' '1984' CD. It's
incredible, and if you're a fan of Tangerine Dream's upbeat, inspirational
'80s work, you might well end up buying Phillips' entire back catalogue!
He's that good! Honest.
Right! I'm off. Next time I'll concentrate more on TD, but having just
discovered Phillips' stuff I'm desparate to tell you all!
Speak to you soon,
Stuart C.
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From:
rob.dorey@xx.xxx
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 12:10
pm
Subject: Hi Everyone
Hi, just joined the list. What a great idea for keeping us Dreamers in
touch! A shame that it doesn't look as though there will be a tour this year
apart from the one date. Anyway, I first became aware of the band when I
heard part of Rubycon on the radio (probably the John Peel show here in
England). Didn't know it WAS Rubycon otherwise I'd have bought it
straightaway, all I heard was '...and that's Tangerine Dream there...' So
I went out and bought their latest, which at that time was the Sorcerer
soundtrack. The rest is history- I now have just about everything else!
Dread to think how much I've spent on this band! My favourite period is
probably Froese, Franke, Schmoelling simply because that was the line-up
when I first saw them live, at good old Hammersmith Odeon, London in 1981.
Blew me away. I remember that the main set finished with the last part of
Force Majeure, and the encores were an instrumental Kiew Mission and
Choronzon. Also saw them at the Dominion show the following year, when
Logos was recorded. I remember the announcement at the beginning: 'Dominion,
London, thank you for being patient....' That was because due to ticket
demand, TD had played an earlier show just before which had caused delays!!
I went through a hard time with the band in the early 90s as I suspect did a
lot of people, because IMO they introduced too much guitar and sax into the
band and it distracted from the synth sounds which made their name. I've
got back into it in a BIG way lately with Dream Mixes, Oasis, Goblins Club
and especially Transiberia (great album!) It seems that the band are moving
back towards their trademark synth sound again which, for me, is what got me
into them.
Fave albums: Underwater Sunlight, Force Majeure, Rubycon, Exit (but then
tomorrow I would probably give you 4 different ones as it depends on my
mood!!!)
Other fave artists? Hmm- Andy Pickford's Maelstrom album is superb, and
Bekki Williams 'Shadow of the Wind' and 'Elysian Fields' are very good. (UK
artists). If you do like the 90s TD guitar sound (and don't get me wrong I
like SOME of it- just not on every track okay!!???) check out Bjorn Lynne,
especially and album called 'The Void'.
Look forward to your comments.
Rob Dorey
From:
Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Hi everyone,
>
Hi Matt,
A blast from the past.
> Just thought I would write introduce myself,I joined the list today,I used to
be on a TD mailing list few yrs ago but don`t think it was this one...
You're right, this list has only been around for a few weeks. The original
tadream list is still on the go, if you want to get back to that one too.
>
> Anyway don`t wanna write too much and bore you all....but other artists i
like in the same field our Vangelis,Jarre(to a lesser degree),Oldfield,Andy
Pickford,Global Communication(my second fave group to TD) and lots more..
>
He's not joking, guys. I've never forgotten the time Matt took a day off work
to hear their latest album! Sure, to go to a concert, but to listen to an
album?!? Wow!
8D
NP : Nominal Gain - Dan J. Schulte
Both NG and Revelation Club are excellent albums and should be snapped up PDQ!
See the 'man-o'.
(Obviously, I get no 'Gain' from this - those with flexible memories will know
that Dan and I don't always see eye-to-eye but, unfortunately, that doesn't
seem to stop hit writing damn good music!)
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From:
'Ambassador Nelaskon' >>Hi, I've noticed that in Sohoman Tracklist (TDI music mall web page) it's
written
01. Convention of the 24th
But the real title is 01. Convention of the 24, isn't it?<<<
Yep, you're right. The official TD website has a few errors, most notably in
the discography section of the original page. They spell a couple things wrong,
and a couple CDs are out of order. (Thief & Exit, Miracle Mile & Lily)
>>> To this day that Risky Business music is still my fave TD music,especially
Love On A Real Train....thats my fave TD track for sure,<<<
Really? I've never herard it...
>>> I guess my fave era is the Froese,Franke,Schmoelling lineup,to me that
period is the best and will never be bettered,well in my opinion anyway...<<<
'The Sequencer Years', 1980-1986. My favorite too.
>>> I wasn`t really a fan of the early 90s period either,the use of a sax and
Paul Haslinger joining up to me made some TD albums sound Cheesy(thats just my
humble opinion)...<<<
Hmmm... that's what got me into them in '94!
>>>The old list is still alive on Majordomo tho.
What made you leave it before?<<<
Alive? Even when the digests came out in full, they still comprised mainly
of cussing out over the existence of The Keep, or slamming newer TD... a bunch
of jerks. That's why _I_ lost interest (I can't speak for Matt here). The same
problem is on Dream Theater's 'Ytsejam' list. Just a bunch of 'This sucks, that
blows, F~k off if you disagree...
THIS list, on the other hand, seems to have a LOT of potential. It's
actually cool to be on board here; the other list became more of a nuisance.
>>>After picking him up off the floor and tying
him to a chair I then played the video of Canyon dreams to chill him out and
then Rockoon. The comments then changed to wow thats amazing to whats a band
like that doing playing rock music. My question to the masses is do you
think technology has played a major part in the evolution of the band or
would they still sound great today using the old moogs etc?<<<
Good job! Your efforts to spread the Dream have been duly noted by the
Earthian Cyaron Ambassador.
Anyway, of course TD would sound great with Moogs and stuff, but I don't
think they would be nearly as awesome.
Also, I think the notionof TD remaining the same through advances in
technology would defy the nature of TD. See, technology hasn't affected TD as
much as TD has used the very latest technology to influence the world.
That's what they've done from the beginning. Edgar has even said that if one
were to listen to all TD albums back-to-back, they would hear the evolution of
synthesizers and electronic music.
--------
Still curious, you guys.
Let's not even worry about time and such. What are your favorite tracks from
DM1 to Transsiberia? I think mine would have to be Sojus, and 220 Volt and
Touchwood FM from Tournado.
Responses can be sent to me off-list. cyaron@m...
Thanks guys! And sorry for making such a long post...
-Nelaskon ECA
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From:
'Plumer, Scott'
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 1:25
pm
Subject: The Keep (Was: RE: [tadream] Fahrenheit 451?)
>On topic: So just what is the story with 'The Keep' not being
>widely released? Was it perhaps improperly released by Edgar without
>proper permission by all parties involved? The wide release continues
>to be apparently shelved.
I think they gave us the same line as what kept the original from being
released (sightings of the mythic LP notwithstanding), meaning that disputes
with the record company delayed or prevented the release althogether. They'd
be fools not to pursue this one, because I think it would be quite a
success, despite the fact that little of the actual music from the film
appears on the CD.
Scott
From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 3:38
pm
Subject: apology
Hi Dan-
Being a new moderator, I am learning how to keep things on an even keel, and
I'm afraid I might have jumped the gun on a discussion you and someone else
were having last month. I asked you to 'take it outside'. Looking back, I
probably came off as condescending, and I'm sorry. Did I totally piss you
off? You unsubscribed shortly thereafter.
Anyway, we got our link on TD site, moved to a new home page, and will be
doing an interview soon, but probably not posted until KlangArt Festival.
Whether you come back to the tadream@o... or not, I just wanted you to
know I apologize. I've been forced to learn a little about moderation
recently, as I have had to step in and give the low-down about this boot
discussion thing.
Take care,
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan J. Schulte [mailto:rakinik@g...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 12:37 PM
> To: tadream@o...
> Subject: [tadream] Ah, when a boot was just a shoe
>
>
> From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
>
> No offense to all regarding the trees....but are you all on dope?
>
> Even though we all pretty much have the power to burn cdrs of other
> artist's licensed music it is still considered illegal. Although it is
> not enforced to a major degree (not yet anyway) it is still not right to
> openly discuss copying, distributing & certainly organizing a bootleg
> grapevine for everyone. I like getting rare material just like the next
> guy but if we want this list to be anything more than a boot trading
> list I would suggest we lighten up with the tree antics in public. The
> other list garnished a horrible rep from TD because of all the tree fun.
> These days people just don't understand the copyright laws (or the fact
> that these lists are archived) and if you think certain people aren't
> watching these horrendously heavy trading/copying habits & offers, think
> again. Anyway, I thought the point of this new list was to discuss TD
> and further a better relationship with the band, print possible
> interviews, new info, offer new ideas, put up a nice webpage, etc...but
> if this list is just another way to openly tree out bootlegs, I'm outta
> here. can we do it privately guys, if you don't mind? As an ex-employee
> of a music producer I can tell you for a fact that visits CAN be made to
> your house by certain groups when you least expect it....& they will
> take more than your bootlegs. It'll happen when you least expect it too.
> I know, I have stories.
>
> Dano
>
> --
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>
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From:
'Lawry Simm'
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 1:40
pm
Subject: Re: Hans Zimmer ...
> Steve Joliffe: 1967 - 1969?
Don't forget he reappeared on the Cyclone album in 1978
Regards,
Lawry
From:
'Plumer, Scott'
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 1:40
pm
Subject: Re: 1984
>Discography of TD' book. The artist in question is Anthony Phillips, and
Is that the same Anthony Phillips that was with Genesis?
Scott
From:
Craig Cordrey 01383 821921
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 2:15
pm
Subject: Re: Technology
>From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
> My question to the masses is do you
>think technology has played a major part in the evolution of the band or
>would they still sound great today using the old moogs etc?
There are many who believe that they should go back to their old equipment and
revisit the days of Rubycon and Encore. There is also a common discussion
amongst fans regarding whether/how/why/if digital technology has helped or
hindered TD.
In the early years, I think the band and the technology were inseperable : they
were both evolving as TD pushed the boundaries of both the instruments and
themselves. I think that's why they had to have so much custom-built stuff -
they were forcing the pace of technology because they wanted to achieve things
that standardly available equipment couldn't do.
Nowadays, it seems as though they are happy to work within the (admittedly very
wide) confines of commercial products. There seems to be little that TD produce
which aren't presets or samples. But I think that's because they feel happy
working that way now and not because of something related to the technology or
hardware.
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From:
'Plumer, Scott'
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 5:22
pm
Subject: The patron saint of quality footwear
The mention of the dreaded 'b' word got me thinking. As a dedicated tape
trader and proud owner of zero TD boots, I thought I'd copy this from the
Phish.net web site, which is the big Phish fan site.
>OK, I goofed and bought some. Now what?
>Buy no more, realize your mistake and redeem yourself. How? Make copies of
the CDs for the first five newbies that respond
> to your post on the net and send you blanks and postage. Then, when you
get a chance, make the same offer again... and
> again... and again.... If the quality on the CD is worth having at all,
make sure as many people get it as possible and do
> whatever you can to prevent foreign thieves from
wrecking our community.
> Jason posted, 'If you would like to be a part of the Traders Against
Bootleg Sales (TABS) movement, please e-mail me at
> .' Colin Ovitsky (lt;SNGX64B@p...>) indicated
(8/8/96) that you should send a message
> of 'subscribe tabs ' to
listproc@l...
They have an extensive section devoted to tape trading and the evils of
bootlegs. If you'd like to peruse it - it's an interesting read even if you
don't like Phish - go to: http://www.phish.net/PhishFAQ/tape-qs.html
I'd also like to publicly encourage the band to allow taping. Phish has done
it since day one, and it has only helped their popularity. There are also
very few boots of them available. I've only ever seen one.
Scott
From:
Marcelo Gutierrez
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 5:37
pm
Subject: Re: 1984 and Valentine wheels
----------
> From: Plumer, Scott
> To: 'tadream@o...'
> Subject: [tadream] Re: 1984
> Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 9:40 AM
>
> From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> >Discography of TD' book. The artist in question is Anthony Phillips,
and
>
> Is that the same Anthony Phillips that was with Genesis?
>
> Scott
Yes, it is the same A. Phillips and '1984' is a wonderful all electronic
album, and as far as I know his only all electronic album (I could be
mistaken, I lost track of him shortly after '1984' was released). In any
event, '1984' was I bit of a departure for him at the time (early '80s),
now I will have to listen to the album again, I have not done so in at
least a couple of years.
As for TD related news, I just got 'Valentine Wheels', I have only listen
to it once but I liked what I heard, great sound and great choice of
material, the version of 'Beach Theme' is great!!
Bye Marcelo
From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 5:56
pm
Subject: Re: apology
oops. that was supposed to go just to Dan-O. ;-)
-joe
From:
Michael A Jean
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 6:06
pm
Subject: anthony phillips
I have a pile of his old cassettes if anyone is really interested...
MJ
From:
'J. Lee Jolley'
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 7:23
pm
Subject: RE- Technology
>Yesterday I played a friend of mine who had never heard of TD Rubycon and
tangram, the latter being one of my favourites.
>The comments then changed to wow thats amazing to whats a band like that
doing playing rock music .
You should have let your friend hear Dream Mixes. That would have truly
Blown his mind away.
' If you value your lives be some were else. '
Delenne, Severed Dreams...
Shadow
From:
'J. Lee Jolley'
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 7:30
pm
Subject: RE- Hi Everyone
Hello to you too...
Where on Earth do people other here in Good ol Blighty get TRANSIBERIA
from...
I've been looking for it all weekend!!!
I think I will reserve it from HMV Manchester tomorrow.
' If you value your lives be some were else. '
Delenne, Severed Dreams...
Shadow
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From:
'J. Lee Jolley'
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 7:14
pm
Subject: RE- OT: Moderation, boots, the old list
Hello Joe
With regards to your recent post on the list I have this to say,
THANX.
I have only been on the list for a few days and already I have met some
really nice people and found out absolutely loads of information about TD.
What you have done so far with the list has shown that you care for it and
don't want to see it go down the path of the 'Dark Side' :-)
*Pardon the Starwars pun couldn't resist.
I have no previous knowledge of any other list and to be honest I couldn't
care less about it.
This list is a separate Entity. It gives everyone a new fresh chance to talk
about a truly great Group.
Hopefully others will see this before they jump the gun......
Anyway it's good to see that you have the dedication for us all to be able
to appreciate TD together.
As for the Bootlegging... I am going to get a copy of a very old vinyl
version of Pheadra tonight.
I already have a copy of it on CD but I want to hear those Scratches of an
old record player.
So, sorry to Edgar, I agree there should be no bootlegging but this is the
only way my friend will part with this record.
To be honest I prefer laterTD releases from about 1980 onwards but it's an
oportunity I couldn't refuse!!!
' If you value your lives be some were else. '
Delenne, Severed Dreams...
Shadow
From:
'J. Lee Jolley'
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 7:34
pm
Subject: RE- 1984 and Valentine Wheels
Now I know why I like Genesis so much!! :-)
and I thought it was because I also enjoy Phil Collins...
' If you value your lives be some were else. '
Delenne, Severed Dreams...
Shadow
From:
'tom george'
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 8:39
pm
Subject: Re: Hello Everyone!
?
>[===============]
>I like Schmoelling & Franke but I _love_ Linda Spa.
>(BTW, Linda Kohanov too... hehe just bought two -rare- CD from their
web...)
>
>So long,
>
>Fred
oh fred, be careful....i might tell your wife that you are in love
with another... :) who is Linda Kohanov? see you
Fred.... tom
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From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 9:01
pm
Subject: Re: RE- Hi Everyone
> From: 'J. Lee Jolley'
>
> Where on Earth do people other here in Good ol Blighty get TRANSIBERIA
> from...
> I've been looking for it all weekend!!!
j.gordon here...
The on-line CD stores on the TDI site are actually pretty good about having TD
in stock... Amazon.com in particluar has a goodly chunk of the 'normal' albums,
including most of the newer releases... it's a good place to try...
happy hunting...
From a Rising Runner to an Endless Sender...
j.gordon
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From:
'Gerry Fox'
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 9:31
pm
Subject: Re: RE- Hi Everyone
I got my copy from CD Services in Dundee. They do a great mail order
service. Phone 01382 776595.
I've no connection with them BTW, just a satisfied customer
Gerry
-----Original Message-----
From: J. Lee Jolley
To: tadream@o...
Date: 12 April 1999 20:32
Subject: [tadream] RE- Hi Everyone
>From: 'J. Lee Jolley'
>
>Hello to you too...
>Where on Earth do people other here in Good ol Blighty get TRANSIBERIA
>from...
>I've been looking for it all weekend!!!
>I think I will reserve it from HMV Manchester tomorrow.
>
>
>' If you value your lives be some were else. '
>Delenne, Severed Dreams...
>
>Shadow
>
>
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>Thank you.
>
From:
Frederic Yargui
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 9:50
pm
Subject: Re: Hello Everyone!
>I like Schmoelling & Franke but I _love_ Linda Spa.
>(BTW, Linda Kohanov too... hehe just bought two -rare- CD from their
web...)
>
>So long,
>
>Fred
oh fred, be careful....i might tell your wife that you are in love
with another... :) who is Linda Kohanov? see you
Fred.... tom
[===============]
Hi, Tom and dreamers!
This mail was private or I was dreaming ? ;-D
Never mind! I discovered Steve Roach when I was still young... in 1988. I
was recommended 'Steve Roach + Michael Schrieve : The Leaving Time'
Since then, I discovered the Synthetist Steve Roach with petillant
sequences, The Ethnic SR and the dark ambient SR. I may have forgotten some
other but I really appreciate this kind of e-music. BTW, David Lanz is good
too, but this is not the subject. Linda K maybe is SR's wife by now. He
encountered her for live performance I think and then... when I ordered 2
cds from the SR web site, I got a little piece of paper 'Thanks Fred'
paraphed by Linda Kohanov :-)
If anyone knows a more precise story, please, let us know !! :-))
Sorry for the totally off TD topic, I hope the list keeper won't repRoach
me that <;-D...
Greetings to all.
--------Fred, presently known (since a good time) as the old TaDreamList
digest killer.
BTW, I won't send any longer posts to the old tadream list because of this
problem and until it is definitively solved. And BTW, I am subbed to the
digest of this old list, and I read all the digests until the end (I got
every 'end of tadream digest # blahblah') even when I posted some mails to
it. So, isn't the problem in some members mailing software and not mine???
Please, let me know (and let me know your mailing software for those who
have this problem of cutted digests...)
From:
'Shadow'
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 10:08
pm
Subject: Musical Scores
I keep promising myself everytime I hear 'Twenty-Nine Palms' That one day I
will play it myself.
I think firstly I need to learn how to play the Piano.
Secondly I could do with the Musical score.
This is one of my favourites from 'Lilly on the Beach' one of the first TD
pieces I heard way back in 1989.
( I know that a lot of you will have been listening far longer :-) )
Is there any way of actually getting this Musical Score?
' If you value your lives be some were else. '
Delenne, Severed Dreams...
Shadow
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From:
'Shadow'
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 10:13
pm
Subject: Taste in Music?
Why is it that my girlfriend says she hates TD?
but..........
If I am playing 'Dream Mixes, Oasis, Tournado, etc. ' in the car or bedroom
she thinks they are really good.
Of course I never tell her they are Tangerine Dream.
I'm sorry but it would be way too easy to explain to her that she actually
likes them.
and that she has been unwittingly listening to them for the past 2yrs.
It could also prove expensive.........
:-)
' If you value your lives be some were else. '
Delenne, Severed Dreams...
Shadow
From:
'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 10:35
pm
Subject: DREAM MIXES.
Thanks to J Lee Jolley.
Its very sad I know but I haven't heard Dream Mixes myself yet !
But I can assure you its off to the local stores tomorrow to try and get it
.
I thought I was pretty much in touch with the latest TD releases ,How wrong
can you be I must be about 4 years behind at the moment a problem soon to be
rectified ,as long as I can stop listening to Floyds Pulse.
Bare with me I will soon get my act together too much work and not enough
play.
Catch ya latter FLOYDIAN CARL.
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From:
XxphyIeX@a...
Date: Mon Apr 12, 1999 10:50
pm
Subject: about the problem with bootlegs...
In a message dated 4/12/99 5:36:36 AM EDT, tadream@o... writes:
<< From: 'Joe Shoults'
Subject: OT: Policing & moderation, boots, the old list, etc. >>
...my suggestion?? make a separate list for the discussion
of bootlegs and tapes etc..
and dont relate the two lists and / or make sure that
all know that there is not to be any discussion of either list
on the other.. so that no one knows that there is a connection.
u might wish to use a second name for the moderation purposes
of the alternate list..
there are two trek lists i am part of.. both done by the same
person... trekchat and trektrade..
the first is all stuff not suitable for the latter...
the latter is all trading and selling etc..
it will work.. try it...
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From:
JMPoer
From:
'Steven Le Vine'
From:
'anthony simeone'
From:
'Ambassador Nelaskon'
Date: Tue Apr 13, 1999 2:38
am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 29
>> Where on Earth do people other here in Good ol Blighty get TRANSIBERIA
>> from...
>> I've been looking for it all weekend!!!
>
>j.gordon here...
>
>The on-line CD stores on the TDI site are actually pretty good about having TD
>in stock... Amazon.com in particluar has a goodly chunk of the 'normal' albums,
>including most of the newer releases... it's a good place to try...
Go to CDworld. They're having a 4th anniversary sale. There is a link on the
TDI website. But here's another one. Hehe: http://www.cdworld.com
Make sure you're on the page showing all 80 TD titles they have.
Transsiberia is in the imports, and it's $14.97. In a couple weeks, it'll be
released for $12.97.
I know because I just ordered it myself :)
>Thanks to J Lee Jolley.
>Its very sad I know but I haven't heard Dream Mixes myself yet !
>But I can assure you its off to the local stores tomorrow to try and get it
>.
I would recommend you go online and order it so you can get 'Dream Mixes
One' by TDI. The first disc is the same as the US release The Dream Mixes, but
it has a second disc with other mixes and the new track 'Sojus', which is in my
opinion the very best track TD has done in the late '90s.
CDworld should have Dream Mixes One for a really good price too. I didn't order
it, but I did see it there and the prices are incredible right now.
See 'ya later!
The Ambassador.
---
'Never stop Dreaming. When you forget how to Dream, you forget how to live.'
-maX Verran [Aurealis]
Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com
Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com
From:
Marcelo Gutierrez
Date: Tue Apr 13, 1999 2:34
am
Subject: Tangerine Ambience
> From: 'anthony simeone'
>
> Several months ago, also bought a cd titled: 'Tangerine Ambience, a
Tribute to Tangerine Dream' Any body else listened to it?
Yes, and the whole CD is really good, especially 'Bent cold sidewalk', it
was changed almost beyond recognition, that song alone is worth the price
of the CD (IMO)
BTW, there is a Tangerine Ambience II which is almost as good as the first.
> I commented to one person off of this list that there are some
albums i bought in the mid to late 80's, such as live miles, poland, and
even force majure, that i initially did not like. yet, over the years, i
have grown to love them very much. how is that possible. is it me, or
does tangerine dream have that effect on people.
The same has happened to me in several occasions, at first listen I did not
like 'Ricochet' or 'Ypsilon in malysian pale' and now are some of my
favourites!
I think as time goes by, one matures and changes and is open to different
aspects of TD.
Bye Marcelo
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From:
'James Horecka, AIA'
Date: Tue Apr 13, 1999 4:41
am
Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience
Yes, I have Tangerine Ambience.
I bought the CD at a used record shop.
It's OK. It ain't Tangerine Dream, but is still fun to listen to. In fact, I
think I'll pop it in now, to refresh my memory.
James E. Horecka, AIA
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Tue Apr 13, 1999 10:40
am
Subject: Re: about the problem with bootlegs...
XxphyIeX@a... wrote:
>
> ...my suggestion?? make a separate list for the discussion
> of bootlegs and tapes etc..
> and dont relate the two lists and / or make sure that
> all know that there is not to be any discussion of either list
> on the other.. so that no one knows that there is a connection.
The discussion of tapes and bootlegs is not forbidden on the original
tadream list (now called 'the other list'). Please don't make more TD
lists!!!
Antonio
From:
rob.dorey@b...
Date: Tue Apr 13, 1999 11:08
am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 30
To everyone,
Haven't quite worked out how to reply to these posts yet, but this is a sort
of general comment anyway- so here goes:
To Carl and Jacqui Kearney,
Carl, you're not alone. My girlfriend's initial comment about Td was 'Never
heard of them,' Surprise. Then when she heard them, she made a very
intellectual comment, something like; 'Don't like it, it's twiddly bits.'
Things have improved though. I caught her tapping her feet to the Video
Dream Mixes after which she admitted to 'quite liking it'. I'll just have
to keep working on her!
To Anthony Simeone,
Yeah- I've got Tangerine Ambience. Some tracks worked better than others. I
liked Exit which I thought worked well with drums, and the version of
Phaedra was good. Haven't got the follow-up album yet although I have seen
it around.
Gary Numan's last two albums Sacrifice and Exile are well worth getting hold
of. He's finally moving back towards the sound of Tubeway
Army/Replicas/Pleasure Principle rather than trying to do soul/funk and
there aren't any of those annoying female vocals!!! And he plays nearly all
of it himself.
I've seen a new Kraftwerk ahem, you know, nudge nudge not quite official
live CD which appears to have new material on it (from the last tour?) It
was about ?24 at the time which put me off. I know I'll end up buying it
eventually though so if I do I'll let you know what it's like!!
To Ambassador Nelaskon (whaaaat??!!)
TransSiberia is definitely out there. Got it in HMV in London. They also
had the two volumes of Hollywood Years, Dream Encores, Dream Mixes 1, Oasis
and Dream Mixes 2. So the TDI releases seem to be gradually getting to the
shops. I'm looking out for Valentine Wheels now.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tadream@o... [SMTP:tadream@o...]
> Sent: 13 April 1999 11:31
> To: tadream@o...
> Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 30
>
>
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> (instructions at
> http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and
> appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the
> tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> There are 8 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in today's digest:
>
> 1. Girl friend hates TD.
> From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
>
> 2. What a Blast - Where?
> From: JMPoer
> 3. Greetings
> From: 'Steven Le Vine'
> 4. Re: Digest Number 29
> From: 'anthony simeone'
> 5. Re: Digest Number 29
> From: 'Ambassador Nelaskon'
> 6. Tangerine Ambience
> From: Marcelo Gutierrez
> 7. Re: Tangerine Ambience
> From: 'James Horecka, AIA'
> 8. Re: about the problem with bootlegs...
> From: Antonio Nunes
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:37:01 +0100
> From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
> Subject: Girl friend hates TD.
>
> Shadow try the same trick I did 10 years ago with my girl friend.
> Tell her your taking her on a big night out to the theatre ( or a meal
> )what
> ever.
> Then turn up at a TD concert by which time its too late to go home so they
> usually have a moan sit through the concert and become converts .
> It worked for me I married mine.
> Admitedly you may have to wait a while for a tour , but in the mean time
> keep playing those subliminal tracks.
>
> Floydian carl.
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:50:41 -0700
> From: JMPoer
> Subject: What a Blast - Where?
>
> OK,
>
> 'What a Blast'
>
> Lawry and others have found it, heard it, etc.
>
>
> Has anyone over here, 'in the colonies' you might say, found it locally
> yet?
>
> I've been browsing around the 'local' online sources but no luck yet.
>
> FYI - Tower lists SOHOMAN as an 'advance order' at 13.99.
>
> John Poer
>
> (Apologies to those on both lists about the crosspost)
>
>
>
> jp
>
> 'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:40:00 -0400
> From: 'Steven Le Vine'
> Subject: Greetings
>
> Hey Gang,
>
> I am delighted to be a memeber of our unique community. I heard TD when I
> was young in the 70's & I knew that when I got older this would be the
> group
> for me, and... I am really into the Melrose years, but the new releases
> of all the TDI stuff is really cool (if you can find them).
>
> I'm also into the Babylon 5 sountracks am am trying to get into Klaus
> Schultze. Anyway, does anybody have 'The Keep'? I'm on back order with
> my
> second on line distributor. I've been advised 2-12 weeks (it's been 4).
> The only place I have even seen it listed in on GEMM. But the search is
> part of the fun, right?
>
> Write you later,
>
> siberkat
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:40:57 PDT
> From: 'anthony simeone'
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 29
>
> all good stuff!
> i like the one email about anthony phillips. its nice to hear about
> other artists from tadream fans. i will try a phillips album.
> just bought a cd last month, Celestine Prophecy, by Christopher
> Franke. Pretty good.
> last year, i bought Stuntman, by Edgar Froese. Pretty good also.
> Several months ago, also bought a cd titled: 'Tangerine Ambience, a
> Tribute to Tangerine Dream' Any body else listened to it?
> I commented to one person off of this list that there are some albums
> i bought in the mid to late 80's, such as live miles, poland, and even
> force majure, that i initially did not like. yet, over the years, i have
> grown to love them very much. how is that possible. is it me, or does
> tangerine dream have that effect on people.
> Speaking of other artists. Any one into Gary Numan. He is big on
> synthesisers, and my other favorite besides Tadream. Kraftwerk any one?
> And there are so many more.
>
> anthony. ajsrails@h...
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________
> Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:38:49 -0800
> From: 'Ambassador Nelaskon'
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 29
>
>
> >> Where on Earth do people other here in Good ol Blighty get TRANSIBERIA
> >> from...
> >> I've been looking for it all weekend!!!
> >
> >j.gordon here...
> >
> >The on-line CD stores on the TDI site are actually pretty good about
> having TD
> >in stock... Amazon.com in particluar has a goodly chunk of the 'normal'
> albums,
> >including most of the newer releases... it's a good place to try...
>
>
> Go to CDworld. They're having a 4th anniversary sale. There is a link
> on the TDI website. But here's another one. Hehe: http://www.cdworld.com
>
> Make sure you're on the page showing all 80 TD titles they have.
> Transsiberia is in the imports, and it's $14.97. In a couple weeks, it'll
> be released for $12.97.
>
> I know because I just ordered it myself :)
>
> >Thanks to J Lee Jolley.
> >Its very sad I know but I haven't heard Dream Mixes myself yet !
> >But I can assure you its off to the local stores tomorrow to try and get
> it
> >.
>
> I would recommend you go online and order it so you can get 'Dream
> Mixes One' by TDI. The first disc is the same as the US release The Dream
> Mixes, but it has a second disc with other mixes and the new track
> 'Sojus', which is in my opinion the very best track TD has done in the
> late '90s.
>
> CDworld should have Dream Mixes One for a really good price too. I didn't
> order it, but I did see it there and the prices are incredible right now.
>
> See 'ya later!
>
>
> The Ambassador.
>
>
> ---
> 'Never stop Dreaming. When you forget how to Dream, you forget how to
> live.'
>
> -maX Verran [Aurealis]
>
>
> Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com
> Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:34:35 -0400
> From: Marcelo Gutierrez
> Subject: Tangerine Ambience
>
> > From: 'anthony simeone'
> >
> > Several months ago, also bought a cd titled: 'Tangerine Ambience, a
> Tribute to Tangerine Dream' Any body else listened to it?
>
> Yes, and the whole CD is really good, especially 'Bent cold sidewalk', it
> was changed almost beyond recognition, that song alone is worth the price
> of the CD (IMO)
> BTW, there is a Tangerine Ambience II which is almost as good as the
> first.
>
> > I commented to one person off of this list that there are some
> albums i bought in the mid to late 80's, such as live miles, poland, and
> even force majure, that i initially did not like. yet, over the years, i
> have grown to love them very much. how is that possible. is it me, or
> does tangerine dream have that effect on people.
>
> The same has happened to me in several occasions, at first listen I did
> not
> like 'Ricochet' or 'Ypsilon in malysian pale' and now are some of my
> favourites!
> I think as time goes by, one matures and changes and is open to different
> aspects of TD.
>
> Bye Marcelo
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:41:17 -0700
> From: 'James Horecka, AIA'
> Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience
>
> Yes, I have Tangerine Ambience.
>
> I bought the CD at a used record shop.
>
> It's OK. It ain't Tangerine Dream, but is still fun to listen to. In fact,
> I
> think I'll pop it in now, to refresh my memory.
>
> James E. Horecka, AIA
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:40:36 +0100
> From: Antonio Nunes
> Subject: Re: about the problem with bootlegs...
>
>
>
> XxphyIeX@a... wrote:
> >
> > ...my suggestion?? make a separate list for the discussion
> > of bootlegs and tapes etc..
> > and dont relate the two lists and / or make sure that
> > all know that there is not to be any discussion of either list
> > on the other.. so that no one knows that there is a connection.
>
>
> The discussion of tapes and bootlegs is not forbidden on the original
> tadream list (now called 'the other list'). Please don't make more TD
> lists!!!
>
> Antonio
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
From:
XxphyIeX@xxx.xxx
Date: Tue Apr 13, 1999 12:04
pm
Subject: converstion about illegal subject matter.. etc..
In a message dated 4/13/99 6:45:38 AM EDT, tadream@o... writes:
<< The discussion of tapes and bootlegs is not forbidden on the original
tadream list (now called 'the other list'). Please don't make more TD
lists!!! >>
im only on this one.. and i think that if there are people
on this list who wish to discuss this with others.. and not
join this other list that i have seen mentioned in both good
and bad lights... that they should have the opportunity to
do so with the kewl members of this list...
i have seen some negative interplay between the other
list altho i havent see that list.. and this one... and it
would appear that there is some discention (sp) between
the two... reminiscient of pink floyd camps.. if u ask me.
so i still suggest a second list.. even if there is another
one already...
but then.. i dont see the harm in discussing bootlegs
or live unreleased product.. etc... its not like there is
any mass distribution of said items.. on this list.. just
the conversation of such subject matter..
if u cant discuss something publically.. u are just as
guilty as those who burned books.. or who run countries
under the evil dictatorship moniker... etc..
would u not talk about aids cuz its a horrible disease??
come on now... the freedom to discuss what we wish
to on a list such as this.. shouldnt be prohibited even
if it means not getting the backing that td might offer..
if nothing else... the free speech and right to talk about
what we wish.. should be way more important to the
powers that be who have the moderation powers on this
list... not the support of the band on an internet mailing
list... what are we talking about here? cmon people...
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From:
Martin Kay if u cant discuss something publically.. u are just as
>guilty as those who burned books.. or who run countries
>under the evil dictatorship moniker... etc..
>would u not talk about aids cuz its a horrible disease??
>come on now... the freedom to discuss what we wish
>to on a list such as this.. shouldnt be prohibited even
>if it means not getting the backing that td might offer..
>if nothing else... the free speech and right to talk about
>what we wish.. should be way more important to the
>powers that be who have the moderation powers on this
>list... not the support of the band on an internet mailing
>list... what are we talking about here? cmon people...
I wonder why some people always start bigmouthing about the good ole´
'burning books'- issue... it is slightly off- topic, isn´t it? By the way,
comparing the forbiddance of bootlegging and the discussion of such illegal
products to repressive treatment under a dictatorship is a bit way- off,
wouldn´t you agree (I suggest you go living in under such circumstances for
a while before you start talking and comparing!)? Since there is a music
business - and without a music business bands like TD wouldn´t be able to
make a living or create the music they make in the quality you expect of
them- there are also certain rules that have to be set up and that have to
be followed in order for it to work. TD earn their living from the records
they put out, so of course any kind of bootlegging activity is in a way
harmful to their cause. I think asking not to discuss this matter too
openly is not really asking too much. I would just suggest thinking a bit
more thoroughly before starting to scream 'Hitler...' as soon as you
encounter anything that you consider a restriction (...especially people
from Germany might react slightly allergic to this.). Think about the
artist having to make a living too...#
Just a suggestion.
If you don´t like the rules of a list... don´t join it. If you want to
discuss illegal products ... better keep it private.
:-)
All the best,
Martin Kay.
TDI- Music- Support.
Tel:-49-30-23620995
Fax:-49-30-23620996
Visit our Website at:
http://www.tdi-music-mall.de
Have a nice day!
From:
'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message-----
|> From: XxphyIeX@a... [mailto:XxphyIeX@a...]
|> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 8:05 AM
|> To: tadream@o...
|> Subject: [tadream] converstion about illegal subject matter.. etc..
|>
<...>
|> come on now... the freedom to discuss what we wish
|> to on a list such as this.. shouldnt be prohibited even
|> if it means not getting the backing that td might offer..
|> if nothing else... the free speech and right to talk about
|> what we wish.. should be way more important to the
|> powers that be who have the moderation powers on this
|> list... not the support of the band on an internet mailing
|> list... what are we talking about here? cmon people...
I think my letter of the other day should have clearly spelled this out.
Since I know you read it, and have already responded to it once, why are you
posting an appeal? The policy won't change. Call me a nazi, or bookburner
if you want (off-list, please), but please respect the rules, and don't try
to publicly undermine the nature of this list anymore.
Would it help if I said please again?
Folks, let's end this thread now. But before we drop it, please keep in
mind that new fans might (will) join our community in the future, and even
though we say 'no bootleg discussions' in the Welcome Message, some may
wander into that area. If you feel compelled to help us, and remind them of
the inappropriateness of their message, I'll thank you in advance right now.
But please do not vilify them in public. I think a couple of off-list
reminders should do the trick.
Thanks again,
-Joe
From:
'Plumer, Scott' The on-line CD stores on the TDI site are actually pretty good about having
TD
>in stock... Amazon.com in particluar has a goodly chunk of the 'normal'
albums,
>including most of the newer releases... it's a good place to try...
I'll second that, although CDNow was always my online CD purveyor of choice.
I got the '97 Tour single and the Shepherd's Bush single from them... Or
maybe it was RPM...
Scott
From:
'Plumer, Scott' I keep promising myself everytime I hear 'Twenty-Nine Palms' That one day I
>will play it myself.
>I think firstly I need to learn how to play the Piano.
HA HA!! I think that would help! Promise me one thing, though: You'll play
it on a real piano, and not on whatever they played it on on Lily. For me,
that ruined what otherwise would have been a smashing tune.
Scott
From:
'j.gordon' Catch ya latter FLOYDIAN CARL.
j.gordon here...
yes, I agree, whole heartedly... one could rotate between PF, TD and Rush, have
more than enough music to never get tired of and never have to listen to
anything else... though, I must admit, it's very important to broaden the
horizons, it's simply sating to know that you really wouldn't need to ;)
From a Rising Runner to an Endless Sender...
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From:
Jeff Stevenson From: Martin Kay
>
[SNIP]
>
>Martin Kay.
>TDI- Music- Support.
>Tel:-49-30-23620995
>Fax:-49-30-23620996
>
>Visit our Website at:
>http://www.tdi-music-mall.de
Since we have someone here directly from TDI (and posting to the list no
less!), I have a question I think you should be able to answer (I hope!).
I have been trying to order a copy of Tangents for several months now (I
have actually ordered it from 4 places that had it 'in stock' but turned
out they didn't). Supposedly they haven't been able to get a hold of it
either. Is this out of print/production now?
Jeff Stevenson
jsteven@o...
Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642
(also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs!
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From:
Martin Kay
>Since we have someone here directly from TDI (and posting to the list no
>less!), I have a question I think you should be able to answer (I hope!).
>
>I have been trying to order a copy of Tangents for several months now (I
>have actually ordered it from 4 places that had it 'in stock' but turned
>out they didn't). Supposedly they haven't been able to get a hold of it
>either. Is this out of print/production now?
>
> Jeff Stevenson
Not that I know of...
But then it´s a Virgin Release which means that I have no first- hand info
about it.
> jsteven@o...
>
>Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642
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>
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From:
rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx
Date: Tue Apr 13, 1999 4:36
pm
Subject: Spasms
Hi folks
I have an original VHS PAL tape of Spasms available for trade/sale.
Anyone interested please contact me off list.
See ya,
Riccardo
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From:
Marcelo Gutierrez From: Jeff Stevenson
> To: tadream@o...
> Subject: [tadream] On topic
> Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 12:56 PM
>
> From: Jeff Stevenson
>
> At 02:49 PM 4/13/1999 +0200, you wrote:
> >From: Martin Kay
> >
> [SNIP]
> >
> >Martin Kay.
> >TDI- Music- Support.
> >Tel:-49-30-23620995
> >Fax:-49-30-23620996
> >
> >Visit our Website at:
> >http://www.tdi-music-mall.de
>
> Since we have someone here directly from TDI (and posting to the list no
> less!), I have a question I think you should be able to answer (I hope!).
>
> I have been trying to order a copy of Tangents for several months now (I
> have actually ordered it from 4 places that had it 'in stock' but turned
> out they didn't). Supposedly they haven't been able to get a hold of it
> either. Is this out of print/production now?
>
> Jeff Stevenson
> jsteven@o...
>
> Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642
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>
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> Thank you.
From:
'Dan J. Schulte' or live unreleased product.. etc... its not like there is
> any mass distribution of said items.. on this list.. just
> the conversation of such subject matter.
There is no harm in discussing them, it's when you start trading them or
selling them very publicly. It's all a matter of how you want to be
interpreted by other musicians or industry folk (they don't like boots).
If that's not a concern, sell away. Personally, I praise traded
unlicensed product because most of it will never see the light of day.
But, it's like scalping tickets online....it's a no no & you should
always be subtle about it.
Dan
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Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi
From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
> I have been trying to order a copy of Tangents for several months now (I
> have actually ordered it from 4 places that had it 'in stock' but turned
> out they didn't). Supposedly they haven't been able to get a hold of it
> either. Is this out of print/production now?
Most online places are like this. It took several weeks to get my TD
Hollywood years from CDnow (boy was THAT not worth the wait). I got
valentine Wheels at circuit city for only $12.99 (yee haw!) so the best
place is still your local music store...unless you live in the marshes
of okefenokee. BTW, any reviews for What a Blast???
Captain Dan
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From:
Jeff Stevenson From: Marcelo Gutierrez
>
>Jeff:
>have you tried duffelbag.com Inc. at duffel@d..., they claim to
>have a copy of Tangents in stock as of April 11, or cellophane square at
>music@c... or you can try mass music at custserv@m...
>they all claim to have copies in stock.
So far I've tried CD Now, CD Universe, Best Buy and Amazon. All listed as
in stock, but after varying waits or 2-4 weeks they canceled the order and
took the listing off their sites.
I've got an order in at ABSound now....I'm in that 'waiting' status.
>Most online places are like this. It took several weeks to get my TD
>Hollywood years from CDnow (boy was THAT not worth the wait). I got
>valentine Wheels at circuit city for only $12.99 (yee haw!) so the best
>place is still your local music store...unless you live in the marshes
>of okefenokee. BTW, any reviews for What a Blast???
As far as my local selection of TD music....it sucks. Most places around
here don't even have a spot for it anymore. I used to be able to get at
least a small selection but not since early 90's. This more than anything
leads me to believe most fans don't like the direction the music has turned
as (at least local) demand as dropped. The last CD I saw regularly was
Melrose. I can count on 1 hand the number of places I've seen Rockoon,
Dream Mixes and Oasis. The rest I haven't seen at all.
Now I'm not bashing here.....I am doing my best to get every release I
can....It's just I now have to go mail order to get them. I too prefer the
mid-80's (Logos to Poland particularly) to everything else, but I like
enough of everything else the group has done to acquire as much as I can.
It's a real shame I can't stand Yanni or John Tesh. I can't go to a record
store without wading thru stacks of those (and man people are really buying
them).
AN IDEA FOR EDGAR:
If you want your popularity to soar (at least in the US), do some type of
televised concert on PBS. Look at what it did for Yanni (Live at the
Acropolis) and Riverdance. Especially if it was done during their fund
raising drive.
Jeff Stevenson
jsteven@o...
Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642
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From:
'Plumer, Scott' AN IDEA FOR EDGAR:
>If you want your popularity to soar (at least in the US), do some type of
>televised concert on PBS. Look at what it did for Yanni (Live at the
>Acropolis) and Riverdance. Especially if it was done during their fund
>raising drive.
That would have been great in say, '77 or maybe '86, when they were at their
most popular here and touring in the US, but now that their popularity has
dwindled in the US somewhat, I don't think PBS would go for it.
What I think they out to do is try to get hooked up with a festival. I saw
an article that said that electronica was going to be the 'big thing' at
Woodstock 99 (no comment). If I was Ed, I'd play it for free, just to get
the exposure. They were supposed to play the Doctor Music Festival in Spain
a couple years ago, but their appearance fell through for some reason.
Scott
From:
Michael A Jean
From:
'Dan J. Schulte' AN IDEA FOR EDGAR:
>
> If you want your popularity to soar (at least in the US), do some type of
> televised concert on PBS. Look at what it did for Yanni (Live at the
> Acropolis) and Riverdance. Especially if it was done during their fund
> raising drive.
Perhaps Edgar should find a decent US distributor. The only stores I
ever see good TD stuff is the stores that have TD fans in the ordering
department. Super Collector used to be a killer place to get some cool
rare TD stuff, until I left that is, heh heh.
Dan
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From:
'Shadow'
From:
'Shadow'
To:
Sent: 13 April 1999 15:10
Subject: [tadream] Re: Musical Scores
> From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> >I keep promising myself everytime I hear 'Twenty-Nine Palms' That one day
I
> >will play it myself.
> >I think firstly I need to learn how to play the Piano.
>
> HA HA!! I think that would help! Promise me one thing, though: You'll play
> it on a real piano, and not on whatever they played it on on Lily. For me,
> that ruined what otherwise would have been a smashing tune.
>
> Scott
>
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From:
'Shadow'
To:
Sent: 13 April 1999 02:40
Subject: [tadream] Greetings
> From: 'Steven Le Vine'
>
> Hey Gang,
>
> I am delighted to be a memeber of our unique community. I heard TD when I
> was young in the 70's & I knew that when I got older this would be the
group
> for me, and... I am really into the Melrose years, but the new releases
> of all the TDI stuff is really cool (if you can find them).
>
> I'm also into the Babylon 5 sountracks am am trying to get into Klaus
> Schultze. Anyway, does anybody have 'The Keep'? I'm on back order with
my
> second on line distributor. I've been advised 2-12 weeks (it's been 4).
> The only place I have even seen it listed in on GEMM. But the search is
> part of the fun, right?
>
> Write you later,
>
> siberkat
>
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From:
'Shadow'
To: TD EMAIL
Sent: 13 April 1999 00:37
Subject: [tadream] Girl friend hates TD.
> From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
>
> Shadow try the same trick I did 10 years ago with my girl friend.
> Tell her your taking her on a big night out to the theatre ( or a
meal )what
> ever.
> Then turn up at a TD concert by which time its too late to go home so they
> usually have a moan sit through the concert and become converts .
> It worked for me I married mine.
> Admitedly you may have to wait a while for a tour , but in the mean time
> keep playing those subliminal tracks.
>
> Floydian carl.
>
>
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From:
'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
From:
'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 3:28 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: DREAM MIXES.
> From: 'j.gordon'
>
>
> > Catch ya latter FLOYDIAN CARL.
>
> j.gordon here...
>
> yes, I agree, whole heartedly... one could rotate between PF, TD and Rush,
Floydian carl to J Gordon.
Was it you who broke into my house and went through my record collection?
You forgot to mention Zep, OzzY,Dream Theatre etc.Nice to see someone with
similar taste .
Long live Rock and roll Or should that be Rockoon.
From:
Bennett Cookson
From:
'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Shadow'
>
>Stephen as you may know I'm an avid fan of B5
>Can you tell me the album that contains the end tune of
>'Sleeping in Light'
>Also can you recommend any good Albums that are B5 related.
>
>' If you value your lives be some were else. '
>Delenne, Severed Dreams...
Gee Shadow, I really could'nt tell. The CD 'Sleeping in Light' was
released on March 23rd, 1999 (I got it as a birthday present). Here in
the States, I have seen it at most of the local record shops & on-line. I
to was moved by the music and consider it the best B5 CD. For a complete
list of the B5 Episodic CD's try www.SonicImages.com. Actually, I have a
couple of Christopher Franke solo CD's and am very pleased with them.
So folks, we all seem to agree that locating TD CD's is not an easy
'dream'. You would not beleive some of the luck I've had at used CD stores
('The Man Inside' & 'Destination Berlin' for example).
Anybody Listen to 'Tangerine Ambience II'? I've re-listened to the first
one & am not as impressed as I originally was. So I am holding off on 'II'.
siberkat
From:
'Michael A. Jean'
>
> From: 'Shadow'
>
> Stephen as you may know I'm an avid fan of B5
> Can you tell me the album that contains the end tune of
> 'Sleeping in Light'
> Also can you recommend any good Albums that are B5 related.
>
>
From:
'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message-----
|> From: Bennett Cookson [mailto:Bennett.Cookson@O...]
|> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 8:24 PM
|> To: 'tadream@o...'
|> Subject: [tadream] maybe we need more than one list
|>
|>
|> From: Bennett Cookson
|>
|> One of the great things about 'onelist.com' is you can create as
|> many lists
|> as you want.
|>
|>
|> Multiple list can be a problem when they overlap/conflict to the
|> point where
|> people subscribe and post to both lists. But multiple lists can
|> be great if
|> done right. And people have the discipline to post to the right list.
|>
|> For example several lists could exist
|>
|> 'Notice List' for major messages like 'US tour..' (I wish) or 'tour
|> canceled!'
|> 'Review list' for 'I like/dislike '220 volt' because...'
|> 'chat list' for chatting
|> 'Trade List' for trading
|> 'Tree list' if such a thing were to exist
|> 'similar artists list'
|> 'flame list?'
|> etc...
|>
|> Anyway you get the idea. There would be a hierarchy or order to the
|> lists for example the review list could be a child of the notice list and
|> chat list could be a child of review list.
|>
|> Notice
|> |
|> Review
|> | | |
|> Chat Trade Tree ...
|>
|>
|> The rule is that you cannot subscribe to a list with also
|> subscribing to all
|> parents. Therefore you know that anyone on the chat list is
|> also on Notice
|> and review list and you can send the post to the right list and
|> avoid cross
|> posting. People could subscribe to all lists without receiving
|> any multiple
|> postings. (assuming people keep the rule about no cross posting) This
|> avoids the problem of multiple lists with the same types of
|> posting (where
|> people tend to post to all). Also lists can safely refer to parent lists
|> but not to others (like sibling lists).
|>
|> Maybe it is too complicated, but I think it could work really
|> cool. And we
|> would get many more people willing to sign up to the lower
|> traffic lists and
|> still have a great way to get the word out quickly. For
|> example, if I was
|> just on 'notice' for awhile and I saw 'Dream Dice 2 released' I could
|> quickly subscribe to the review and chat list to see what
|> everyone thought
|> and then maybe after a while I could unsubscribe from the chat
|> list if the
|> discussion went on too long... ;)
|>
|> Of course the hardest part would be always posting to the right list, but
|> with some clear rules, I think it could be done.
|>
|> Just an idea...
|>
|> --Bennett
|>
|>
|>
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From:
yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 7:07
am
Subject: Re: TANGENTS
----------
> De : Michael A Jean
> A : tadream@o...
> Objet : [tadream] Re: TANGENTS
> Date : mardi 13 avril 1999 19:44
>
> From: Michael A Jean
>
>
> Jeff et al,
>
> I saw a copy in a local shop for about $50 US this weekend...
>
> MJ
>
If you visit the Groove Unlimited website you can find the Tangent Box, as
a lot of TD releases and e-music of a lot musicians
Goove Unlimited : http://www.groove.nl
Friendly from France
Yannick Edom
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Champlain B7 A101
47 Chemin de pelleport
31500 Toulouse
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
From:
rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx
Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 10:21
am
Subject: Spasms
Sorry about this repost:
I sent this yesterday but didn't see it come up on the list.
Hi folks
I have an original VHS PAL tape of Spasms available for trade/sale.
Anyone interested please contact me off list.
See ya,
Riccardo
From:
'Joe Shoults'
From:
Bennett Cookson
From:
'j.gordon' all good stuff!
> i like the one email about anthony phillips. its nice to hear about
> other artists from tadream fans. i will try a phillips album.
> just bought a cd last month, Celestine Prophecy, by Christopher Franke.
> Pretty good.
This actually a really good album for CF, I think, as well because it expands
what is being done in terms of a synthesis between music and other art forms,
esp. writing... all right, so I'm biased... I'm a writer...
> I commented to one person off of this list that there are some albums i
> bought in the mid to late 80's, such as live miles, poland, and even force
> majure, that i initially did not like. yet, over the years, i have grown to
> love them very much. how is that possible. is it me, or does tangerine
> dream have that effect on people.
Everyone has their favorite periods, but I think that one thing that really
binds the TD community together is simply that at one point or another, we come
to like or appreciate all their music... seasons, like...
> Speaking of other artists. Any one into Gary Numan. He is big on
> synthesisers, and my other favorite besides Tadream. Kraftwerk any one?
> And there are so many more.
Gary Numan is thumbs up cool... not terribly creative as far as instrumentation
is concerned, but still, CARS... Kraftwerk is thumbs up too... Phillip Glass
anyone?...
Even so, when all the others are boiled away, there is simply Edgar and Co.
From ARR to AES...
j.gordon...
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From:
'Hassinen Ami' From: 'Joe Shoults'
>* specific albums
> -inspirations
> -instrumentation/technical aspects
Hello everybody!
This interview thing sounds like a very good idea.
My question would be like this:
Various sources seem to give somewhat contradictory information on the very
first TD single 'Ultima Thule I & II' Could you tell me what was the line-up
for the sessions? And when it was really recorded? It is the earliest
example of mellotron sounds in TD´s output (as far as I can hear), so it is
somewhat hard to place in sequence with the albums...
thanks,
Ami
From:
'Thomas'
From:
'Plumer, Scott' Even so, when all the others are boiled away, there is simply Edgar and Co.
I agree. To me, most other e-music just sounds like a cheap imitation of TD.
Still like others, though.
Scott
From:
'j.gordon' if u cant discuss something publically.. u are just as
> guilty as those who burned books.. or who run countries
> under the evil dictatorship moniker... etc..
> would u not talk about aids cuz its a horrible disease??
> come on now... the freedom to discuss what we wish
> to on a list such as this.. shouldnt be prohibited even
> if it means not getting the backing that td might offer..
> if nothing else... the free speech and right to talk about
> what we wish.. should be way more important to the
> powers that be who have the moderation powers on this
> list... not the support of the band on an internet mailing
> list... what are we talking about here? cmon people...
j.gordon here...
Whoa! A bit strong, no? I'm with you on the free speech thing, all the way...
but this isn't about free speech, it's ultimately about respect... You have to
ask yourself: Do Edgar and Co. play music only because their fans want to hear
it? No, of course not. And you wouldn't want it that way... the music would
lose it's true essence, that which brings us back again and again... They are
artists and they create what they create BECAUSE they are artists... They do it
for themselves... and they put their art on the market so that they might
continue to support themselves and their art... and though they may create
hundreds of songs, they only will release things that they feel proud of... if
they had wanted all the other songs circulated, they would have done it
themselves, and in fact, are... but to steal their art - for after all,
ultimately, that's what it is - and not give them a fair exchange for it...
that is simply disrespectful, regardless of the justifications... I can't
imagine that TD is completely overjoyed at thinking that their fan base is even
more dedicated because they are listening to music that they (TD) themselves
never intended to release in the first place or release it to only a limited
few or in a limited way... it is their work and they have a right to say how
and to whom it will be distributed... all that aside, though, the stuff does
get around and it can be really great: all of which is beside the point,
because the issue is not about whether bootlegs should be traded, etc, but
whether they should be discussed in public...
So when looked at from a different light, discussing bootlegs and other
illegals on this list isn't about slapping hands and shaking fingers... it's
about saying: Even though everybody knows about ripping TD off (which
bootlegging does, not only financially, but it's an artistic kick in the pants)
please dicuss it privately and show some respect...
The ends do not justify the means... would you ask Edgar what he though about
the Bootleg release of one of the concerts... if not, then dicussing it
publicly should carry the same care and if you would, well, it's a slam to an
incredible artist...
Nothing personal intended... just another perspective on discussing bootlegs on
the list
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>
> Phillip Glass anyone?...
>
Greetings,
been listening to the re-issue of Koyaanisqatsi a lot lately. This is an
amazing piece of work - much better than the original release, as the tracks
are now complete. I believe it has been completely re-recorded as well (I don't
have the CD handy at the moment). Not to everyone's taste - nothing at all like
TD, for example - but highly recommended.
Actually, I am not really a big Phillip Glass fan. I much prefer Steve Reich.
Kevin Earley
np: Atom Heart Mother Limited Ed. Trance Remix
(One of these days... I will actually listen all the way through :) )
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 7:18
pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 29
> been listening to the re-issue of Koyaanisqatsi a lot lately. This is an
> amazing piece of work - much better than the original release, as the tracks
> are now complete. I believe it has been completely re-recorded as well (I
> don't have the CD handy at the moment). Not to everyone's taste - nothing at
> all like TD, for example - but highly recommended.
>
> Actually, I am not really a big Phillip Glass fan. I much prefer Steve Reich.
>
> Kevin Earley
>
> np: Atom Heart Mother Limited Ed. Trance Remix
> (One of these days... I will actually listen all the way through :) )
j.gordon here...
Where can I get Atom Heart Mother Limited Ed. Trance Remix???! :)
And I most get the remastered version of Koy. as it is one of the best
'trance' ablums ever produced... Especially in their full-length film format...
coolbeans, baby...
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From:
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Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 7:31
pm
Subject: Re: DREAM MIXES.
> You forgot to mention Zep, OzzY,Dream Theatre etc.Nice to see someone with
> similar taste .
>
> Long live Rock and roll Or should that be Rockoon.
j.gordon here...
Yeah, man, there is that music that shouldn't be shunned... The Dead, to
mention another, but when you get through with them all, the great trinity
PFTDRUSH are the only ones that don't grow stale... and that's the mark of good
music...
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Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 7:41
pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 29
> >Even so, when all the others are boiled away, there is simply Edgar and Co.
>
> I agree. To me, most other e-music just sounds like a cheap imitation of TD.
> Still like others, though.
>
> Scott
j.gordon here...
Hey, Scott,
we wear our bias like a badge of courage or an old war wound, eh? :)
From RR to ES
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From:
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Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 7:49
pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 29
> >Even so, when all the others are boiled away, there is simply Edgar and
Co.
>
> I agree. To me, most other e-music just sounds like a cheap imitation of
TD.
> Still like others, though.
>we wear our bias like a badge of courage or an old war wound, eh? :)
More like a bizarre gardening accident! :-) But seriously, correct me if I'm
wrong, but I think that what we know of today as e-music came directly from
TD. They are the Beatles of e-music, in my opinion. There was electronic
music before, but it all changed after them. Am I in a kiss-ass mood today
or what? :-) I talked on the other list about getting them into the Rock &
Roll Hall of Fame, but it kinda fizzled after the last US tour fell through.
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From:
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Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 8:08
pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 29
j.gordon here...
> More like a bizarre gardening accident! :-)
You mean, as if we've been left in a Green Desert like stranded Pilots of some
Purple Twilight in No-Mans land, our shattered Diamond Diary's running out of
time... possibly... :)
> But seriously, correct me if I'm
> wrong, but I think that what we know of today as e-music came directly from
> TD. They are the Beatles of e-music, in my opinion.
I would have to agree that they are one of the top influences in e-music and
even beyond... though DIRECTLY carry a bit of spawnage to it... well, OKAY, I
agree... :)
> There was electronic
> music before, but it all changed after them. Am I in a kiss-ass mood today
> or what? :-)
Kiss-ass is good for the soul...
> I talked on the other list about getting them into the Rock &
> Roll Hall of Fame, but it kinda fizzled after the last US tour fell through.
I look at those tour fall-throughs, like the one in Germany this year (I was
lined up to go to three of the five scheduled... damn...), I look at them as TD
just doing what their art and ethics demand... even though we are all
disappointed at times, I think we would expect no less... :)
>
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From:
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Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 8:26
pm
Subject: Open question.
From floydian Carl ( gotta change this name)
Here's a question to all members ?
My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on the
CD juke box for one month.
What in your opinion should that album be.
I continue my crusade to educate the musically illiterate.
Carl.
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From:
'Plumer, Scott'
Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 8:28
pm
Subject: Re: Open question.
>Here's a question to all members ?
>My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on
the
>CD juke box for one month.
>What in your opinion should that album be.
Something with one long track! That way you'll get 45 min. of music for 25p
or however much British jukeboxes cost.
>I continue my crusade to educate the musically illiterate.
A noble crusade.
Scott
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 8:45
pm
Subject: Re: Open question.
> Here's a question to all members ?
> My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on the
> CD juke box for one month.
>
> What in your opinion should that album be.
>
j.gordon here...
I've had the best response from non-TDers with Tyger... I think the mix of
vocal and non-vocal tracks eases them in quite well, and well, one can't help
but notice that Alchemy of the Heart is one of the coolest tunes around...
Second vote would be Le Parc... even non-TDers dig Yellowstone Park...
FaRR 2 an ES...
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Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 8:49
pm
Subject: Re: Open question.
> >What in your opinion should that album be.
> Something with one long track! That way you'll get 45 min. of music for 25p
> or however much British jukeboxes cost.
j.gordon here...
careful there... even long time TDers can choke on Rubycon or Zeit if played
amid the smoke and drink of a crowd... not, IMO, good TD starters for the
non-initiated... Encore, either... Maybe Live Miles, though I've not had good
first time responses to that at all, and it remains my all-time Number one
favorite TD album... sigh... we are surrounded by Philisitines... or is that
Phillipstines...
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 8:46
pm
Subject: Re: Open question.
> My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on the
> CD juke box for one month.
>
> What in your opinion should that album be.
Dream Mixes.
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From:
'teiwaz _'
Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 9:06
pm
Subject: Re: Open question.
>From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
>>Here's a question to all members ?
>>My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD
album on
>the
>>CD juke box for one month.
>
>>What in your opinion should that album be.
In a bar? Clearly, the Risky Business soundtrack.
--teiwaz
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From:
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Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 9:15
pm
Subject: Re: Open question.
oops--sorry if I mislead you:
...>>From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>>
>>>Here's a question to all members ?....
--teiwaz (a sloppy editor once again)
np: LOGOS PART ONE & TWO
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From:
PENFOLD
Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 6:29
pm
Subject: 4 Sale/Trade
apologies for cross posting
I've got an extra copies (still in wrapper) of:
Tournado
and
Rockoon (special edition)
make offer *off-list*
thankx
Pete Isaacson
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From:
'James Horecka, AIA'
Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 9:40
pm
Subject: Re: Open question. (bar juke)
How about the 'Luminous Visions' CD? It's a bit 'lite' and a little
'soda-pop' with its fast beat, but might be appropriate for a happy place
like a bar.
The mixes are 'lite' and upbeat. The track 'Sojus' is pretty wild.
The video that comes with it is something to see, very unusual.
Tracks include special mixes of:
Jungle Journey
Towards the Evening Star
Rough Embrace
Catwalk
Touchwood
Change of the Gods
Bride in Cold Tears
Little Blond...
Firetongues
Sojus
Flashflood
Midwinter Night
I ain't sayin' it's my favorite, but for 'new listeners' it could be a
bridge, not 'heavy duty.'
Another choice might be 220v Live.
James E. Horecka, AIA
From:
'Shadow'
Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 5:22
pm
Subject: Re: Looking for TD albums.
Well done Carl,
I do have an MVC local, there is one at the
Reebok stadium near Bolton....
I agree about Virgin but how about HMV
As for being skint just wait until I get paid! :-)
After being on this list there are too many albums that I want!
' If you value your lives be some were else. '
Delenne, Severed Dreams...
Shadow
> From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
>
> Good to see a few more members from the Uk.
> On the subject of finding TD albums .Today as I promised Shadow I went
> shopping for more up to date TD stuff. First trying my local Virgin
> megastore My advice is dont bother not only is it staffed by nazis but
they
> only carry one Td album at any one time and that was sold before I got
> there.So I sugest to anyone in the uk if you have an MVC shop check it out
> they carry a huge stock of TD and today ordered for me at no extra cost
> Dream mixes and Transiberia. To Joe shoults im glad this list is free
> catching up on the back catalogue is gonna cost me a bloody fortune.
> Long winded i know.
>
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From:
'Shadow'
Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 10:01
pm
Subject: Fw: [tadream] Open question.
Carl you are truly evil incarnate!!!
One album amongst all of TDs' releases....... :-)
This one could go on forever...
Dream Mixes - Loads of different tunes from various albums.
Oasis - 'cos it's very easy for non TD folk to listen too.
I could go on but no I choose.....
This is.. really... hard... can't...
concentrate.......brain....melting........
ok OASIS
' If you value your lives be some were else. '
Delenne, Severed Dreams...
Shadow
> Here's a question to all members ?
> My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on
the
> CD juke box for one month.
>
> What in your opinion should that album be.
>
> I continue my crusade to educate the musically illiterate.
>
> Carl.
>
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From:
Jeff Stevenson > Here's a question to all members ?
>> My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on
the
>> CD juke box for one month.
>>
>> What in your opinion should that album be.
>I've had the best response from non-TDers with Tyger... I think the mix of
Ahhhh Tyger? I thought he want to convert them TO TD. You play any of the
vocals off that and any of the 'common' men (pun intended) will kick the
cr*p out of the jukebox. You would be better off with one of the newer
releases. What kind of bar is it? Pop? I'm assuming not country/metal.
You may want to go with Dream Mixes.
From:
'anthony simeone'
>Gary Numan is thumbs up cool... not terribly creative as far as instrumentation
>is concerned, but still, CARS... Kraftwerk is thumbs up too...
i disagree. i have 36 gary numan cd's. he's written close to 300 songs. has
over 8 remixes of Cars alone. anyone that can remix a song that many times is
a genius. i actually saw him live in concert, and his synths blew me away..
and after 20 yrs, he is still going strong
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:26:53 +0100
> From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
>Subject: Open question.
>
>From floydian Carl ( gotta change this name)
>
>Here's a question to all members ?
>My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on the
CD juke box for one month.
>
>What in your opinion should that album be.
>
>I continue my crusade to educate the musically illiterate.
>
>Carl.
hey carl, keep crusading! i try very hard to crusade tadream with people at
work, and i entertain my friends at home with them. it seems like they know
they are listening to great stuff, but dont want to admit it. anthony
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From:
'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 10:51
pm
Subject: THANKS FROM CARL
Just like to say thanks for the input so far results to be anounced in the
near future. I only hope the final choice is actualy one of the albums i've
already got. Got a few more days yet so keep them coming.
Added another one today to the collection in fact listening to it as we
speak , not too sure yet ? the first track is excellent but not convinced
yet about the rest.The album i'm refering to is Goblins club.
Catch ya latter carl ( will think of a new handle soon )
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From:
'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 10:58
pm
Subject: shadow mvc
Glad to hear mvc local to you make sure you get the store card i'ts free and
saves you a couple of quid per album or video.
Nice to see another northener on the list.
Have probably upset the rest of the country now Sorry folks
Live long and prosper ( sorry slipped into treck mode Dohh!)
From:
JMPoer
Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 10:57
pm
Subject: Re: - Digest Replies
Hi,
At the risk, and full knowledge of getting flamed here, I'd like to ask those
members who use the digest to change the subject line in their replies to that
of the thread they are discussing.
When you don't, those of us on the 'real time' list get a flood of 'Re: Digest
#xx' messages.
I know its an extra step, but it sure would help keep the threads separated.
Thanks for your support.
John M. Poer
jp
'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
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From:
'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 11:17
pm
Subject: Gary numan ?
The question was asked anybody into Gary numan Ive seen him several times
the last being the dominion in London several years ago.A few years before
that I had the privilege of playing a very lengthy and drunken game of pool
with Criss Cross who was then the keyboard player with Ultravox ( the
original line up with John Fox ) and I remember the discussion about whether
or not he was going to join this new band called Tubeway army We all laughed
and commented about what a stupid name for a group if I were you I wouldn't
bother.
How wrong can you get as the band went from strength to strength.
Just goes to show how much I know about the music industry
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From:
'Steven Le Vine'
Date: Wed Apr 14, 1999 11:40
pm
Subject: Re: Open question.
I hate to say it, but you probably have to be very gentle with the masses in
regards to TD. As all of you are aware. I would say something like
'Optical Race' or 'Dream Mixes'. If you try something like 'Phaedra', you
are just asking for trouble.
cheers
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>From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
>To: 'TD EMAIL'
>Subject: [tadream] Open question.
>Date: Wed, Apr 14, 1999, 4:26 PM
>
>From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
>
>>From floydian Carl ( gotta change this name)
>
>Here's a question to all members ?
>My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on the
>CD juke box for one month.
>
>What in your opinion should that album be.
>
>I continue my crusade to educate the musically illiterate.
>
>Carl.
>
>
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From:
'Michael A. Jean'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 12:08
am
Subject: Re: jukebox
What about something from Dream Roots or Tangents?
>
> From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
>
> Just like to say thanks for the input so far results to be anounced in the
> near future. I only hope the final choice is actualy one of the
> albums i've
> already got. Got a few more days yet so keep them coming.
>
>
>
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From:
TJames0001@a...
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 12:48
am
Subject: Re: jukebox
Hi all---new member here...TD fan since 67...suggest you might try Edgar's
solo CD 'Beyond the Storm.' Several of Edgar's songs remind me of about
everything TD has ever done. Very good copulation.
Tom
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 12:49
am
Subject: Re: jukebox
> Hi all---new member here...TD fan since 67...suggest you might try Edgar's
> solo CD 'Beyond the Storm.' ....Very good copulation.
Well, I suppose you could say that. Many people have sung the praises of
TD as an ideal soundtrack for sex. ;-)
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From:
Charles Amos
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 1:08
am
Subject: Re: Open question.
I agree, Dream Mixes.
-Bill Amos
Sean Montgomery wrote:
>
> From: Sean Montgomery
>
> > My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on the
> > CD juke box for one month.
> >
> > What in your opinion should that album be.
>
> Dream Mixes.
>
> SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 1:12
am
Subject: Re: THANKS FROM CARL
That's a good choice.
-Bill Amos
Carl & Jacqui Kearney wrote:
>
> From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
>
> Just like to say thanks for the input so far results to be anounced in the
> near future. I only hope the final choice is actualy one of the albums i've
> already got. Got a few more days yet so keep them coming.
> Added another one today to the collection in fact listening to it as we
> speak , not too sure yet ? the first track is excellent but not convinced
> yet about the rest.The album i'm refering to is Goblins club.
>
> Catch ya latter carl ( will think of a new handle soon )
>
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From:
Charles Amos
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 1:24
am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 29
Hello All,
I am new to the list , really enjoy reading the posts. I do like
Patrick O'Hearn also, have stuff by Colin Chin, Carol Nethen - BUT I
always am drawn back to TD and their former members (Christopher Franke
and Paul Haslinger). Tangerine Dream is the best in my humble opinion.
-Bill
Plumer, Scott wrote:
>
> From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> >Even so, when all the others are boiled away, there is simply Edgar and Co.
>
> I agree. To me, most other e-music just sounds like a cheap imitation of TD.
> Still like others, though.
>
> Scott
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From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 1:28
am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 29
Plumer, Scott wrote:
>
> From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> >Even so, when all the others are boiled away, there is simply Edgar and Co.
>
> I agree. To me, most other e-music just sounds like a cheap imitation of TD.
> Still like others, though.
Hey now, watch it now. ;-p
Dan
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From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 3:38
am
Subject: Re: - Digest Replies
|> At the risk, and full knowledge of getting flamed here, I'd like
|> to ask those members who use the digest to change the subject
|> line in their replies to that of the thread they are discussing.
|> -John M. Poer
Not an unreasonable request at all, John. I totally agree, and I'll add that
if a thread evolves into a new topic, it is sensible to change the subject
line in those cases, as well.
Thanks!
-joe
From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 3:38
am
Subject: Re: Open question.
|> My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD
|> album on the CD juke box for one month. ...(which?)
Awesome! I have been exhibiting at an internet trade show for the last
couple days. I alternated between some Kraftwerk and Goblin's Club at our
booth, and it was a fantastic attractor! People kept asking what music I
was playing, and I can't tell you how hard it was to put the brakes on my
mouth about TD and talk business! It is a sublime thrill indeed to induce
people to write down the name 'Tangerine Dream' for their first time!
Granted a bar atmosphere is different, though (what KIND of bar is it?
that's a very important question!). Given the popular accessibility
(referring to the limited attention span of the general public) of the newer
stuff, maybe 'The Private Music of TD' compilation album, Dream Mixes or
Goblin's Club would be good choices, even though my grandmother fell in love
with Underwater Sunlight upon first hearing. The only song off Goblin's
Club that might not be understood could be Sad Merlin's Sunday, but the rest
of Goblin's Club would go over well almost anywhere, IMHO, so that would be
my stronget suggestion.
Let us all know what you choose and how it goes!
-joe
From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 3:46
am
Subject: thank you, j.gordon (it's all about respect)
here, here!
Thank you SO much for elaborating this, because I just couldn't translate my
feelings into text as eloquently as you have here. I have been hoping this
thread would end soon, and you have finally put the icing on it from any
reasonable standpoint. I have left your post intact- just in case anyone
bypassed it to emphasize they read it.
-joe
(regarding the discussion of bootlegs & 'freedom of speech' on this list)
> if u cant discuss something publically.. u are just as
> guilty as those who burned books.. or who run countries
> under the evil dictatorship moniker... etc..
> would u not talk about aids cuz its a horrible disease??
> come on now... the freedom to discuss what we wish
> to on a list such as this.. shouldnt be prohibited even
> if it means not getting the backing that td might offer..
> if nothing else... the free speech and right to talk about
> what we wish.. should be way more important to the
> powers that be who have the moderation powers on this
> list... not the support of the band on an internet mailing
> list... what are we talking about here? cmon people...
j.gordon's response:
|> Whoa! A bit strong, no? I'm with you on the free speech thing,
|> all the way...
|> but this isn't about free speech, it's ultimately about
|> respect... You have to
|> ask yourself: Do Edgar and Co. play music only because their
|> fans want to hear
|> it? No, of course not. And you wouldn't want it that way... the
|> music would
|> lose it's true essence, that which brings us back again and
|> again... They are
|> artists and they create what they create BECAUSE they are
|> artists... They do it
|> for themselves... and they put their art on the market so that they might
|> continue to support themselves and their art... and though they
|> may create
|> hundreds of songs, they only will release things that they feel
|> proud of... if
|> they had wanted all the other songs circulated, they would have done it
|> themselves, and in fact, are... but to steal their art - for after all,
|> ultimately, that's what it is - and not give them a fair
|> exchange for it...
|> that is simply disrespectful, regardless of the justifications... I can't
|> imagine that TD is completely overjoyed at thinking that their
|> fan base is even
|> more dedicated because they are listening to music that they
|> (TD) themselves
|> never intended to release in the first place or release it to
|> only a limited
|> few or in a limited way... it is their work and they have a
|> right to say how
|> and to whom it will be distributed... all that aside, though,
|> the stuff does
|> get around and it can be really great: all of which is beside the point,
|> because the issue is not about whether bootlegs should be
|> traded, etc, but
|> whether they should be discussed in public...
|>
|> So when looked at from a different light, discussing bootlegs and other
|> illegals on this list isn't about slapping hands and shaking
|> fingers... it's
|> about saying: Even though everybody knows about ripping TD off (which
|> bootlegging does, not only financially, but it's an artistic
|> kick in the pants)
|> please dicuss it privately and show some respect...
|>
|> The ends do not justify the means... would you ask Edgar what he
|> though about
|> the Bootleg release of one of the concerts... if not, then dicussing it
|> publicly should carry the same care and if you would, well, it's
|> a slam to an
|> incredible artist...
|>
|> Nothing personal intended... just another perspective on
|> discussing bootlegs on
|> the list
|>
|> >From ARR to AES...
|>
|> j.gordon
|>
|> ===
|> ***************************************************
|> Brought to you by:
|> PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5.
|>
|> j.gordon
From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 5:39
am
Subject: TD soundtrack list?
Can anyone here forward me a list of every TD soundtrack completed to
date? If you can cut & paste a list you may have laying around I'd
appreciate it. Thanks,
Dan
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From:
Geir Smedsrud
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 7:07
am
Subject: Re: - Digest Replies & purging
Hi all, I have something to add, see under.
>From: 'Joe Shoults'
>
>|> At the risk, and full knowledge of getting flamed here, I'd like
>|> to ask those members who use the digest to change the subject
>|> line in their replies to that of the thread they are discussing.
>|> -John M. Poer
>
>Not an unreasonable request at all, John. I totally agree, and I'll add that
>if a thread evolves into a new topic, it is sensible to change the subject
>line in those cases, as well.
>Thanks!
> -joe
>
Yes, and it's also considered good to purge the reply of redundant
information, like the footer. It takes just a few seconds you know. And you
will get more respect from the other members if you do.
Take care,
Geir
[Spelling and granatical errors left in to excercise mind]
From:
rob.dorey@b...
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 11:46
am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 34
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> Topics in today's digest:
>
> 1. Re: Open question.
> From: Jeff Stevenson
> 2. Re: Digest Number 33
> From: 'anthony simeone'
> 3. THANKS FROM CARL
> From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
>
> 4. shadow mvc
> From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
>
> 5. Re: - Digest Replies
> From: JMPoer
> 6. Gary numan ?
> From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
>
> 7. Re: Open question.
> From: 'Steven Le Vine'
> 8. Re: jukebox
> From: 'Michael A. Jean'
> 9. Re: jukebox
> From: TJames0001@a...
> 10. Re: jukebox
> From: Sean Montgomery
> 11. Re: Open question.
> From: Charles Amos
> 12. Re: THANKS FROM CARL
> From: Charles Amos
> 13. Re: Digest Number 29
> From: Charles Amos
> 14. Re: Digest Number 29
> From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
> 15. Re: - Digest Replies
> From: 'Joe Shoults'
> 16. Re: Open question.
> From: 'Joe Shoults'
> 17. thank you, j.gordon (it's all about respect)
> From: 'Joe Shoults'
> 18. TD soundtrack list?
> From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
> 19. Re: - Digest Replies & purging
> From: Geir Smedsrud
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:28:00 -0700
> From: Jeff Stevenson
> Subject: Re: Open question.
>
> At 01:45 PM 4/14/1999 -0700, you wrote:
> >> Here's a question to all members ?
> >> My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album
> on
> the
> >> CD juke box for one month.
> >>
> >> What in your opinion should that album be.
> >I've had the best response from non-TDers with Tyger... I think the mix
> of
>
>
It would have to be some of the more melodic stuff- so Dream Mixes 1
I would say. Remember the short attention span of some of these dorks!!!
They're used to Celine Dion for God's sake. Rockoon might go down well also,
although it's not one of my personal
favourites._________________________________________________________________
______________
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:46:13 PDT
> From: 'anthony simeone'
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 33
>
> in response to Carl & Jacqui Kearney which Cd to play for the ignorant
> masses?
>
> You cant absorb all of Tadream on just 1 CD. That is a crime! Try to
> work a deal where you can change cds, at least one new one every month or
> every other month! my suggestions: (again, cant pick one) ..
> destination berlin, logos, goblins club, hyperboria, dream mixes, rockoon,
> 220 volt live, le parc, underwater sunlight. got em all, and they all
> have good tunes. i would be glad to mention about a dozen more, but i'll
> stop here. definitely want up beat music.
>
> >
> >Gary Numan is thumbs up cool... not terribly creative as far as
> instrumentation
> >is concerned, but still, CARS... Kraftwerk is thumbs up too...
> i disagree. i have 36 gary numan cd's. he's written close to 300 songs.
> has over 8 remixes of Cars alone. anyone that can remix a song that many
> times is a genius. i actually saw him live in concert, and his synths
> blew me away.. and after 20 yrs, he is still going strong
> >_________________________________________________________________________
> ______
> >
> >Message: 15
> > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:26:53 +0100
> > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
> >Subject: Open question.
> >
> >From floydian Carl ( gotta change this name)
> >
> >Here's a question to all members ?
> >My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on
> the CD juke box for one month.
> >
> >What in your opinion should that album be.
> >
> >I continue my crusade to educate the musically illiterate.
> >
> >Carl.
>
> hey carl, keep crusading! i try very hard to crusade tadream with people
> at work, and i entertain my friends at home with them. it seems like they
> know they are listening to great stuff, but dont want to admit it.
> anthony ajsrails@h...
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:51:01 +0100
> From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
> Subject: THANKS FROM CARL
>
> Just like to say thanks for the input so far results to be anounced in the
> near future. I only hope the final choice is actualy one of the albums
> i've
> already got. Got a few more days yet so keep them coming.
> Added another one today to the collection in fact listening to it as we
> speak , not too sure yet ? the first track is excellent but not convinced
> yet about the rest.The album i'm refering to is Goblins club.
>
> Catch ya latter carl ( will think of a new handle soon )
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:58:28 +0100
> From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
> Subject: shadow mvc
>
> Glad to hear mvc local to you make sure you get the store card i'ts free
> and
> saves you a couple of quid per album or video.
> Nice to see another northener on the list.
>
> Have probably upset the rest of the country now Sorry folks
>
> Live long and prosper ( sorry slipped into treck mode Dohh!)
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
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> _____
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:57:56 -0700
> From: JMPoer
> Subject: Re: - Digest Replies
>
> Hi,
>
> At the risk, and full knowledge of getting flamed here, I'd like to ask
> those
> members who use the digest to change the subject line in their replies to
> that
> of the thread they are discussing.
>
> When you don't, those of us on the 'real time' list get a flood of 'Re:
> Digest
> #xx' messages.
>
> I know its an extra step, but it sure would help keep the threads
> separated.
>
> Thanks for your support.
>
> John M. Poer
>
>
> jp
>
> 'I may be old, but I know what I like!'
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:17:19 +0100
> From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
> Subject: Gary numan ?
>
> The question was asked anybody into Gary numan Ive seen him several times
> the last being the dominion in London several years ago.A few years before
> that I had the privilege of playing a very lengthy and drunken game of
> pool
> with Criss Cross who was then the keyboard player with Ultravox ( the
> original line up with John Fox ) and I remember the discussion about
> whether
> or not he was going to join this new band called Tubeway army We all
> laughed
> and commented about what a stupid name for a group if I were you I
> wouldn't
> bother.
> How wrong can you get as the band went from strength to strength.
> Just goes to show how much I know about the music industry
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:40:55 -0400
> From: 'Steven Le Vine'
> Subject: Re: Open question.
>
> I hate to say it, but you probably have to be very gentle with the masses
> in
> regards to TD. As all of you are aware. I would say something like
> 'Optical Race' or 'Dream Mixes'. If you try something like 'Phaedra', you
> are just asking for trouble.
>
> cheers
>
> ----------
> >From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
> >To: 'TD EMAIL'
> >Subject: [tadream] Open question.
> >Date: Wed, Apr 14, 1999, 4:26 PM
> >
>
> >From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
> >
> >>From floydian Carl ( gotta change this name)
> >
> >Here's a question to all members ?
> >My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on
> the
> >CD juke box for one month.
> >
> >What in your opinion should that album be.
> >
> >I continue my crusade to educate the musically illiterate.
> >
> >Carl.
> >
> >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:08:45 -0500
> From: 'Michael A. Jean'
> Subject: Re: jukebox
>
> What about something from Dream Roots or Tangents?
>
> >
> > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
> >
> > Just like to say thanks for the input so far results to be anounced in
> the
> > near future. I only hope the final choice is actualy one of the
> > albums i've
> > already got. Got a few more days yet so keep them coming.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
> __________________________________________________________________________
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:48:17 EDT
> From: TJames0001@a...
> Subject: Re: jukebox
>
> Hi all---new member here...TD fan since 67...suggest you might try Edgar's
>
> solo CD 'Beyond the Storm.' Several of Edgar's songs remind me of about
>
> everything TD has ever done. Very good copulation.
>
> Tom
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:49:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Sean Montgomery
> Subject: Re: jukebox
>
>
>
> > Hi all---new member here...TD fan since 67...suggest you might try
> Edgar's
> > solo CD 'Beyond the Storm.' ....Very good copulation.
>
>
> Well, I suppose you could say that. Many people have sung the praises of
> TD as an ideal soundtrack for sex. ;-)
>
>
> SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:08:18 -0400
> From: Charles Amos
> Subject: Re: Open question.
>
> I agree, Dream Mixes.
> -Bill Amos
>
> Sean Montgomery wrote:
> >
> > From: Sean Montgomery
> >
> > > My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album
> on the
> > > CD juke box for one month.
> > >
> > > What in your opinion should that album be.
> >
> > Dream Mixes.
> >
> > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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> > T O P I X / Mad Dog
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:12:26 -0400
> From: Charles Amos
> Subject: Re: THANKS FROM CARL
>
> That's a good choice.
> -Bill Amos
>
> Carl & Jacqui Kearney wrote:
> >
> > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
> >
> > Just like to say thanks for the input so far results to be anounced in
> the
> > near future. I only hope the final choice is actualy one of the albums
> i've
> > already got. Got a few more days yet so keep them coming.
> > Added another one today to the collection in fact listening to it as we
> > speak , not too sure yet ? the first track is excellent but not
> convinced
> > yet about the rest.The album i'm refering to is Goblins club.
> >
> > Catch ya latter carl ( will think of a new handle soon )
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:24:03 -0400
> From: Charles Amos
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 29
>
> Hello All,
> I am new to the list , really enjoy reading the posts. I do like
> Patrick O'Hearn also, have stuff by Colin Chin, Carol Nethen - BUT I
> always am drawn back to TD and their former members (Christopher Franke
> and Paul Haslinger). Tangerine Dream is the best in my humble opinion.
> -Bill
>
> Plumer, Scott wrote:
> >
> > From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> >
> > >Even so, when all the others are boiled away, there is simply Edgar and
> Co.
> >
> > I agree. To me, most other e-music just sounds like a cheap imitation of
> TD.
> > Still like others, though.
> >
> > Scott
> >
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:28:00 -0700
> From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 29
>
> Plumer, Scott wrote:
> >
> > From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> >
> > >Even so, when all the others are boiled away, there is simply Edgar and
> Co.
> >
> > I agree. To me, most other e-music just sounds like a cheap imitation of
> TD.
> > Still like others, though.
>
> Hey now, watch it now. ;-p
>
> Dan
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:38:50 -0400
> From: 'Joe Shoults'
> Subject: Re: - Digest Replies
>
> |> At the risk, and full knowledge of getting flamed here, I'd like
> |> to ask those members who use the digest to change the subject
> |> line in their replies to that of the thread they are discussing.
> |> -John M. Poer
>
> Not an unreasonable request at all, John. I totally agree, and I'll add
> that
> if a thread evolves into a new topic, it is sensible to change the subject
> line in those cases, as well.
> Thanks!
> -joe
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:38:53 -0400
> From: 'Joe Shoults'
> Subject: Re: Open question.
>
> |> My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD
> |> album on the CD juke box for one month. ...(which?)
>
> Awesome! I have been exhibiting at an internet trade show for the last
> couple days. I alternated between some Kraftwerk and Goblin's Club at our
> booth, and it was a fantastic attractor! People kept asking what music I
> was playing, and I can't tell you how hard it was to put the brakes on my
> mouth about TD and talk business! It is a sublime thrill indeed to induce
> people to write down the name 'Tangerine Dream' for their first time!
>
> Granted a bar atmosphere is different, though (what KIND of bar is it?
> that's a very important question!). Given the popular accessibility
> (referring to the limited attention span of the general public) of the
> newer
> stuff, maybe 'The Private Music of TD' compilation album, Dream Mixes or
> Goblin's Club would be good choices, even though my grandmother fell in
> love
> with Underwater Sunlight upon first hearing. The only song off Goblin's
> Club that might not be understood could be Sad Merlin's Sunday, but the
> rest
> of Goblin's Club would go over well almost anywhere, IMHO, so that would
> be
> my stronget suggestion.
>
> Let us all know what you choose and how it goes!
>
> -joe
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
> __________________________________________________________________________
> _____
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:46:36 -0400
> From: 'Joe Shoults'
> Subject: thank you, j.gordon (it's all about respect)
>
> here, here!
>
> Thank you SO much for elaborating this, because I just couldn't translate
> my
> feelings into text as eloquently as you have here. I have been hoping
> this
> thread would end soon, and you have finally put the icing on it from any
> reasonable standpoint. I have left your post intact- just in case anyone
> bypassed it to emphasize they read it.
> -joe
>
> (regarding the discussion of bootlegs & 'freedom of speech' on this list)
>
> > if u cant discuss something publically.. u are just as
> > guilty as those who burned books.. or who run countries
> > under the evil dictatorship moniker... etc..
> > would u not talk about aids cuz its a horrible disease??
> > come on now... the freedom to discuss what we wish
> > to on a list such as this.. shouldnt be prohibited even
> > if it means not getting the backing that td might offer..
> > if nothing else... the free speech and right to talk about
> > what we wish.. should be way more important to the
> > powers that be who have the moderation powers on this
> > list... not the support of the band on an internet mailing
> > list... what are we talking about here? cmon people...
>
> j.gordon's response:
> |> Whoa! A bit strong, no? I'm with you on the free speech thing,
> |> all the way...
> |> but this isn't about free speech, it's ultimately about
> |> respect... You have to
> |> ask yourself: Do Edgar and Co. play music only because their
> |> fans want to hear
> |> it? No, of course not. And you wouldn't want it that way... the
> |> music would
> |> lose it's true essence, that which brings us back again and
> |> again... They are
> |> artists and they create what they create BECAUSE they are
> |> artists... They do it
> |> for themselves... and they put their art on the market so that they
> might
> |> continue to support themselves and their art... and though they
> |> may create
> |> hundreds of songs, they only will release things that they feel
> |> proud of... if
> |> they had wanted all the other songs circulated, they would have done it
> |> themselves, and in fact, are... but to steal their art - for after all,
> |> ultimately, that's what it is - and not give them a fair
> |> exchange for it...
> |> that is simply disrespectful, regardless of the justifications... I
> can't
> |> imagine that TD is completely overjoyed at thinking that their
> |> fan base is even
> |> more dedicated because they are listening to music that they
> |> (TD) themselves
> |> never intended to release in the first place or release it to
> |> only a limited
> |> few or in a limited way... it is their work and they have a
> |> right to say how
> |> and to whom it will be distributed... all that aside, though,
> |> the stuff does
> |> get around and it can be really great: all of which is beside the
> point,
> |> because the issue is not about whether bootlegs should be
> |> traded, etc, but
> |> whether they should be discussed in public...
> |>
> |> So when looked at from a different light, discussing bootlegs and other
> |> illegals on this list isn't about slapping hands and shaking
> |> fingers... it's
> |> about saying: Even though everybody knows about ripping TD off (which
> |> bootlegging does, not only financially, but it's an artistic
> |> kick in the pants)
> |> please dicuss it privately and show some respect...
> |>
> |> The ends do not justify the means... would you ask Edgar what he
> |> though about
> |> the Bootleg release of one of the concerts... if not, then dicussing it
> |> publicly should carry the same care and if you would, well, it's
> |> a slam to an
> |> incredible artist...
> |>
> |> Nothing personal intended... just another perspective on
> |> discussing bootlegs on
> |> the list
> |>
> |> >From ARR to AES...
> |>
> |> j.gordon
> |>
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> |> j.gordon
>
>
>
>
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> _____
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> _____
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:39:39 -0700
> From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
> Subject: TD soundtrack list?
>
> Can anyone here forward me a list of every TD soundtrack completed to
> date? If you can cut & paste a list you may have laying around I'd
> appreciate it. Thanks,
>
> Dan
> --
> Dan J. Schulte
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>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
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> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:07:31 +0200
> From: Geir Smedsrud
> Subject: Re: - Digest Replies & purging
>
> Hi all, I have something to add, see under.
>
> >From: 'Joe Shoults'
> >
> >|> At the risk, and full knowledge of getting flamed here, I'd like
> >|> to ask those members who use the digest to change the subject
> >|> line in their replies to that of the thread they are discussing.
> >|> -John M. Poer
> >
> >Not an unreasonable request at all, John. I totally agree, and I'll add
> that
> >if a thread evolves into a new topic, it is sensible to change the
> subject
> >line in those cases, as well.
> >Thanks!
> > -joe
> >
> Yes, and it's also considered good to purge the reply of redundant
> information, like the footer. It takes just a few seconds you know. And
> you
> will get more respect from the other members if you do.
>
> Take care,
>
>
> Geir
>
> [Spelling and granatical errors left in to excercise mind]
>
>
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From:
'Kevin Earley' j.gordon here...
>
> Where can I get Atom Heart Mother Limited Ed. Trance Remix???! :)
Hi J.
I have seen the Atom Heart Mother Limited Ed. Trance Remix, the Meddle Limited
Ed. Trance Remix and Rubycon revisited in local CD stores here in Toronto. I
still haven't been able to sit through the AHM remix, however; and wouldn't
therefore recommend any of them.
Never thought of Koyannisqatsi as 'Trance', but I think I can hear why that
label might be applied. It makes me suspect that other minimalist pieces could
also be so considered.
Kevin Earley
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From:
'Plumer, Scott'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 1:20
pm
Subject: Re: Open question.
>>> What in your opinion should that album be.
>>I've had the best response from non-TDers with Tyger... I think the mix of
>Ahhhh Tyger? I thought he want to convert them TO TD. You play any of the
>vocals off that and any of the 'common' men (pun intended) will kick the
>cr*p out of the jukebox. You would be better off with one of the newer
>releases. What kind of bar is it? Pop? I'm assuming not country/metal.
>You may want to go with Dream Mixes.
Dream Mixes would work, although there was a bar when I was in college that
had Exit in the jukebox. They also had a lot of other unusual stuff.
Scott
From:
'Ambassador Nelaskon'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 3:14
pm
Subject: Interview questions and Dream Trinity.
About the TD interview...
>* origins
> -what was it like studying with Dali?
> -from where did the TD name really come?
After all this time, you still haven't learned that TD will never tell us
the real origin of the name. Pity. It IS from Lucy In The Sky... but Edgar
denies it...
>> You forgot to mention Zep, OzzY,Dream Theater etc.Nice to see someone with
>> similar taste .
>>
>> Long live Rock and roll Or should that be Rockoon.
Rockoon rules. Especially tracks 1-3.
And Dream Theater absolutely kicks major ass out of EVERY other band except TD.
>Yeah, man, there is that music that shouldn't be shunned... The Dead, to
>mention another, but when you get through with them all, the great trinity
>PFTDRUSH are the only ones that don't grow stale... and that's the mark of good
>music...
Trinity? Hmmm... Tangerine Dream Theater...
TDTKMFDM?
But I do agree that Rush never gets old either.
-Nelaskon ECA
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From:
'Ambassador Nelaskon'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 3:24
pm
Subject: Juke Box Hero
>Here's a question to all members.
>My local drinking establishment has agreed to let me put one TD album on the
>CD juke box for one month.
>
>What in your opinion should that album be?
Well, here are my opinions on the names mentioned already:
>Something with one long track! That way you'll get 45 min. of music for 25p
>or however much British jukeboxes cost.
But what? Most of those albums have 1 or 2 things the masses might like, but
the rest is... um, wasted space? Why not put something on there with a LOT of
potential hits?
However, Poland could be really good. I don't think their long, drawn out
tracks & stuff would hit off with most TD 'gentiles' though.
>I've had the best response from non-TDers with Tyger... I think the mix of
AUGH!!! I AM a TDer and I can't stand this album. I think it's the ONLY one
of theirs that I would never wish on anyone else.
Besides, if you want to introduce people to TD, the vocal crap on Tyger is not
the way to do it.
No offense, Tyger listeners.
>Dream Mixes.
Better. My only objection there is that it's ALL dancey. And TD is not just
about that. And to be honest, I know a lot of people who LIKED it (well,
Luminous Visions), but thought they all sounded the same. Also, if you're
referring to the Miramar version, Sojus isn't even on it, and I think that's
the best of the lot...
>How about the 'Luminous Visions' CD? It's a bit 'lite' and a little
More variety and better tracks than Dream Mixes I think. But it still gets a
little old after a while.
>Dream Mixes - Loads of different tunes from various albums.
The other albums don't count. They're all remixed so that it really stands as a
separate album.
My suggestion follows...
>Oasis - 'cos it's very easy for non TD folk to listen too.
OK. Flashflood, Waterborne, and Summer Storm maybe. But that's only 3
tracks. We need more.
--
Someone later mentioned Optical Race and 220 Volt.
Optical Race is WAY too soft and new-agey I think. A couple greats, but not
good for an intro album...
OK. 220 Volt Live I think would be a good choice. Private Music Of would also
be pretty good.
---
But I think BY FAR the best choice (and I'm surprised it's only been
mentioned like once) is Tournado. Well, why NOT? It has EVERYTHING. A lot of
the Dream Mixes stuff is there, but it digs deeper than that. Not only does it
hit different albums, but the WAY it does it presents an image of Tangerine
Dream as a very versatile band, while all the tracks have a common 'fiber' to
them.
Plus the individual tracks are about as good as you can get. The track 220
Volt beats the Hell out of the album version, as do Touchwood FM and Little
Blond.. (Dream Mixes cuts that one to shreds).
Plus it has the guitar, but it's not overdone, so it doesn't get old at all.
IMO this album kicks so mush ass (plus my personal experience has shown that
this album is totally by the best at grabbing people's attention and making TD
converts) that I think it would be a crime against humanity :) NOT to use it.
I think it's the best 90s album they've ever done, and it comes as close as
possible, I think, to presenting a view of 90s TD in one CD.
Sorry for making such a long and boring post.
/me turns telemarketer mode off.
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From:
'Plumer, Scott'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 3:34
pm
Subject: Re: Interview questions and Dream Trinity.
> After all this time, you still haven't learned that TD will never tell
us the real origin of >the name. Pity. It IS from Lucy In The Sky... but
Edgar denies it...
Funny you should mention this... I just watched a video I have that features
a brief interview with TD from Australia in '82. Ed said the name was from
LSD - I mean Lucy in the Sky. :-) He said they consciously changed it,
though, that it wasn't a mistake. I forget his exact words, but that's the
gist of it.
Another thing he said that I found REALLY interesting was that the band was
thinking of moving to Australia! Apparently they tried, but Oz immigration
rejected them for soem reason, I don't remember what.
Scott
From:
'Joe Shoults'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 3:29
pm
Subject: Re: Call for TD interview questions
Thanks for the responses so far for interview questions; please keep them
coming!
-Joe
From:
Bennett Cookson
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 3:52
pm
Subject: Re: Interview questions and Dream Trinity.
>> Long live Rock and roll Or should that be Rockoon.
Rockoon rules. Especially tracks 1-3.
Yes, plus Track 4, 'Graffiti Street' is one of my all time favorites, it
alone is worth buying the album for... I really enjoy the 'sneak preview'
guitar blast at the beginning and how it fades away and then comes back it
its place as the song gets going. This is an example of what instrumental
rock really should be. (In my opinion)
--Bennett
Np 'Graffiti Street'
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 5:16
pm
Subject: Re: Open question.
One thing that we should keep in mind here...it's a jukebox! People don't
want to hear 20-minute songs by a band they don't know on a jukebox.
You'll have them pulling the plug if you put Poland in there. I suggested
Dream Mixes because it's vigourous, but also because the songs are a bit
shorter.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Thomas'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 5:24
pm
Subject: Re: Interview questions and Dream Trinity.
>From: 'Ambassador Nelaskon'
>After all this time, you still haven't learned that TD will never tell us the
real origin of the name. Pity. It IS from Lucy In The Sky... but Edgar denies
it...<
Here's a thought - maybe he will! Besides I'm not so sure the origin of the
bands' name might not be 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds'. I listened to The
Ones 'Lady Greengrass' earlier today, check out the lyrics below, and I guess
that's a pretty strong contender to where the name came from. Don't you think?
(Of course, it's just a thought...)
Thomas
LADY GREENGRASS
She lifts her dress
and floats to DREAMland
makes love to the sky
She lets her hair hang down
as the weeds go round
lady greengrass
Puff the grass is TANGERINE
Puff the sky is suddenly green
her eyes breath in a state of mind
she's beginning to fly
she's beginning to fly
licking lollypops
catching moondrops
bright and beautiful
big fat love-ins
groovy free-ins
for lady greengrass
puff the trees turn tangerine
puff the sky is suddenly green
her eyes breath in a state of mind
she's beginning to fly
she's beginning to fly
she's beginning to fly
to fly... to fly.... to fly..............
(I don't know how correct the transcription is, I found this on the Internet
somewhere)
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 5:29
pm
Subject: Re: Juke Box Hero
> >I've had the best response from non-TDers with Tyger... I think the mix of
>
> AUGH!!! I AM a TDer and I can't stand this album. I think it's the ONLY
> one of theirs that I would never wish on anyone else.
>
> Besides, if you want to introduce people to TD, the vocal crap on Tyger is
> not the way to do it.
>
> No offense, Tyger listeners.
j.gordon here...
What is it with the TD community and Tyger? William Blake is a great and TD
did a great job IMO of putting it to music... besides, Alchemy of the Heart is
a triumphant epic piece...
All right, I know there are those who AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! Tyger... but
are there those who can stand tall, stand true and say YES! I liked this
album... come on, let's see a Show of Fans...
j.gordon
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From:
'Plumer, Scott'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 5:36
pm
Subject: Re: Open question.
>One thing that we should keep in mind here...it's a jukebox! People don't
>want to hear 20-minute songs by a band they don't know on a jukebox.
>You'll have them pulling the plug if you put Poland in there. I suggested
>Dream Mixes because it's vigourous, but also because the songs are a bit
>shorter.
I had Ricochet in mind. Torture the infidels!!! :-)
Actually, I think DM would be smashing.
Scott
From:
'Plumer, Scott'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 5:39
pm
Subject: Re: Juke Box Hero
>What is it with the TD community and Tyger? William Blake is a great and
TD
>did a great job IMO of putting it to music... besides, Alchemy of the Heart
is
>a triumphant epic piece...
The problem I always had with Tyger is that the cadence of the poem doesn't
seem to match the cadence of the music. I like the music, but the poems seem
out of place over it. I think they should have either matched the poem to
the music (esentially making them lyrics, like Rush did with Poe's 'El
Dorado') or made the music totally without cadence, like Zeit.
Scott
From:
'Thomas'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 5:35
pm
Subject: Re: Juke Box Hero
>j.gordon here...
>
>What is it with the TD community and Tyger? William Blake is a great and TD
>did a great job IMO of putting it to music... besides, Alchemy of the Heart is
>a triumphant epic piece...
>
>All right, I know there are those who AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! Tyger... but
>are there those who can stand tall, stand true and say YES! I liked this
>album... come on, let's see a Show of Fans...
>
>j.gordon
Yepp - I like the 'Tyger' album. But not because of the William Blake
inspirations. I just like the music in combination with the singing. That's all!
Thomas
From:
Bennett Cookson
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 5:43
pm
Subject: Re: Juke Box Hero
Tyger is one of my favorites, but I don't really like any of the parts with
words/vocals. However the rest is soooooo excellent I simply still skip the
other. Alchemy of the Heart is incredible, the 'Common' songs are great and
the last instrumental part of London is my absolute favorite. (Dream roots
has a track with just this part)
Having said that, Tyger is an album that needs to grow on you, it takes
time. I had the album for years before I even liked my now favorite tracks.
Therefore I would not choose it for a juke box. (Plus the songs are to
long) I would probably choose 'private music of TD' or Lily
--Bennett
From:
'anthony simeone'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 6:53
pm
Subject: Carl & Jacqui Kearney ... select one cd
hey carl & J K
i am here at work on a thursday afternoon. i pop on a tadream cd titled
'lily on the beach'. i am having a great time listening to it. problem with
this is that it wasnt on the list of suggestions i emailed you the other day.
i was never all too impressed with this cd, and now i think it is an excellent
album, one to add to your list of possibilities. Also, 3 other good ones:
optical race, tyranny of beauty, and turn of the tides. good luck with
picking one. for me, it would be impossible to narrow tadream to one cd. good
luck! ajs
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From:
'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 6:58
pm
Subject: Reply to Joe and others re bar
Thanks for reminding me that I hadent told any one the type of bar sorry
Joe.
The bar is used by a mixed bunch of people from say 20 years up to -well
death realy it all depends on what particular band is playing .
the bigest crowd puller is a band called Rigsbys Cat who unfortunatly only
cover mainly rock tracks and dont play keyboards but they pull quits a
diverse crowd.
Rigsbys cat get the chance go see them awsome guitarist.
From:
'anthony simeone'
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 7:03
pm
Subject: Joe Shoults questions for interview
hey joe,
at the risk of throwing you an empty question. the biggest thought on my
mind is concert .. as in, will tadream ever come back to the U.S., and will
they come to Pittsburgh, Pa (my home town). if they did, i could rally at
least 10 people that i know to go to the concert with me. I NEVER saw tadream
in concert, and would love to know if and when they are comming back to the
states, and where. so far, last year i saw allan parsons project, yes, gary
numan, and a few jazz artists live in concert. music is so much better live,
at a concert. if tadream is so great to listen to on cd, imagine what its
like to see them live. its an experience that i would love to look forward to.
also, do they meet with fans after their concerts, and do they sign
autographs. ajs
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Jeff Stevenson What is it with the TD community and Tyger? William Blake is a great and TD
>did a great job IMO of putting it to music... besides, Alchemy of the
Heart is
>a triumphant epic piece...
I like all the music...it was the singer (talker) I didn't care for....the
problem is, whenever I hear the music now, I imagine I hear her droning
on......kinda spoiled the effect for me.
My cousin LOVES _Tyger_ however.
np: Dream Mixes 1 disc 2
From:
KMu9978842@xxx.xxx
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 7:34
pm
Subject: Re: Juke Box Hero
In einer eMail vom 15/04/99 19:47:16 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
Bennett.Cookson@O...:
<<
Tyger is one of my favorites, but I don't really like any of the parts with
words/vocals. However the rest is soooooo excellent I simply still skip the
other. Alchemy of the Heart is incredible, the 'Common' songs are great and
the last instrumental part of London is my absolute favorite. (Dream roots
has a track with just this part)
Come on now, if your 'favourite' is an album with 'words and vocals', in
which you dont like the words and vocals................Does that mean that
on all the other TD albums the music is so 'average' that they dont even come
up to the standard of this album you dont really like because of the 'words
and vocals '?
Having said that, Tyger is an album that needs to grow on you, it takes
time.
I dont like the words and vocals, and after all these years it never 'grew'
on me; I have other albums I much prefer.
I had the album for years before I even liked my now favorite tracks.
Therefore I would not choose it for a juke box. (Plus the songs are to
long)
PLUS they contain words and vocals !!! ( which we dont really like !)
I would probably choose 'private music of TD' or Lily
OK, your choice, better than Tyger at least
Kelvin
--Bennett
>>
From:
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Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 7:46
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Subject: Re: Juke Box Hero
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<<
From: 'j.gordon'
> >I've had the best response from non-TDers with Tyger... I think the mix of
>
> AUGH!!! I AM a TDer and I can't stand this album. I think it's the ONLY
> one of theirs that I would never wish on anyone else.
>
> Besides, if you want to introduce people to TD, the vocal crap on Tyger is
> not the way to do it.
>
> No offense, Tyger listeners.
j.gordon here...
What is it with the TD community and Tyger? William Blake is a great and TD
did a great job IMO of putting it to music... besides, Alchemy of the Heart
is
a triumphant epic piece...
All right, I know there are those who AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! Tyger... but
are there those who can stand tall, stand true and say YES! I liked this
album... com >>
NOT ME..............the album is ruined by the vocals.
Only my opinion of course............does that make me not a 'real fan ' ?
Kelvin
From:
'Joe Shoults' All right, I know there are those who AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!
> Tyger... but
> are there those who can stand tall, stand true and say YES! I liked this
> album... come on, let's see a Show of Fans...
> j.gordon
I didn't like Tyger the first time I heard it. Then I didn't hear it again
for a couple of years until my wife got me the Book of Dreams compilation
which has 1/2 of Tyger on it, and now I love it.
-joe
From:
'Steven Le Vine' From: TJames0001@a...
>To: tadream@o...
>Subject: [tadream] Re: jukebox
>Date: Wed, Apr 14, 1999, 8:48 PM
>
>From: TJames0001@a...
>
>Hi all---new member here...TD fan since 67...suggest you might try Edgar's
>solo CD 'Beyond the Storm.' Several of Edgar's songs remind me of about
>everything TD has ever done. Very good copulation.
>
>Tom
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'Steven Le Vine' From: Sean Montgomery
>To: tadream@o...
>Subject: [tadream] Re: jukebox
>Date: Wed, Apr 14, 1999, 8:49 PM
>
>From: Sean Montgomery
>
>
>
>> Hi all---new member here...TD fan since 67...suggest you might try Edgar's
>> solo CD 'Beyond the Storm.' ....Very good copulation.
>
>
>Well, I suppose you could say that. Many people have sung the praises of
>TD as an ideal soundtrack for sex. ;-)
>
>
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From:
'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Joe Shoults'
>
>Thanks for the responses so far for interview questions; please keep them
>coming!
>-Joe
>
OK Joe, I got one. Can you name at least some of the movies that 'The
Hollywood Years Vol. 1 & 2' take tracks from?
From:
'Steven Le Vine' From: 'j.gordon'
>To: tadream@o...
>Subject: [tadream] Re: Juke Box Hero
>Date: Thu, Apr 15, 1999, 1:29 PM
>
>
>j.gordon here...
>
>What is it with the TD community and Tyger? William Blake is a great and TD
>did a great job IMO of putting it to music... besides, Alchemy of the Heart is
>a triumphant epic piece...
>
>All right, I know there are those who AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! Tyger... but
>are there those who can stand tall, stand true and say YES! I liked this
>album... come on, let's see a Show of Fans...
>
>j.gordon
>
From:
'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
From:
'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
>To: tadream@o...
>Subject: [tadream] TD soundtrack list?
>Date: Thu, Apr 15, 1999, 1:39 AM
>
>From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
>
>Can anyone here forward me a list of every TD soundtrack completed to
>date? If you can cut & paste a list you may have laying around I'd
>appreciate it. Thanks,
>
>Dan
From:
TJames0001@xxx.xxx
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 11:07
pm
Subject: Re: Running list for jukebox.
By the way 'Valentine Wheels' and ' Atlantic Bridges' ain't too bad either!!!
For jukebox or the bedroom.
Tom (Tangram)
\
From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
> From: 'Steven Le Vine'
>
> Speaking of soundtracks, I am not 100% positive, but I am under the
> impression that TD did the soundtrack for the movie 'Scarface'. I have seen
> no mention of this fact anywhere. Can anyone confirm? Is there a
> soundtrack for 'Scarface'?
Negatory...that was Giorgio Moroder & that's one fantastic score. Too
bad it's not available in it's entirety. You can buy the CD but it only
has 2 tracks on it...& they are remixed.
Dan
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From:
'Dan J. Schulte'
> From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
>
> Ok guys thanks a million for the response its been overwhelming
>
> We have narrowed it down to 4 albums
> 1) Dream mixes
> 2) tournado
> 3) rockoon
> 4) 220v live
>
> ANY MORE THOUGHTS.
>
> Another question totally unrelated. Is being a dedicated fan of TD a male
> only thing ? There seems to be a great lack of female participation on this
> list and as a fan base generally.
Uh, heh, here we go again.
Dan
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From:
TJames0001@xxx.xxx
Date: Thu Apr 15, 1999 11:38
pm
Subject: Re: Running list for jukebox.
Hi Dan:
OK --here goes---I am 55---been aTD fan for along time---since 67. Since
that time I have only come across 2 maybe 3 females that like TD. The first
two are my 30 year sister and my 7 year old grandaughter. The 3rd one was
older than me and she worked in a local bank. How about that for
discrimination. How about a head count
ladies??
Tom (Tangram)
From:
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 2:57
am
Subject: Re: Greetings
>
>Anybody Listen to 'Tangerine Ambience II'? I've re-listened to the
first
>one & am not as impressed as I originally was. So I am holding off
on 'II'.
>
>
>siberkat
>
>-
>go ahead and buy II. it is alot better than 1 (and i like 1). tom
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Subject: Goblins' Club
Somebody mentioned having trouble really getting into Goblins' Club. Well, I
have a fake ID, so they let me in... Sorry. That wasn't funny.
Anyway, I think tracks 1, 6, and 7 are the best, and I usually skip the rest.
IMO those three ARE really good tho...
The Tournado version of Radar Eyes rocks out too. Have you heard it?
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archangel333@w... (Xavier Garcia)
Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 4:34
am
Subject: Re: best TD album for juke box
dear jeff:
the one album that comes to mind is 'underwater sunlight'.
i donot know if it has been re-issued, but
the dynamics of the compositions are
clasic TD.
Another would be ' lily on the beach' which seems to have a'commercial
appealthat everyone(including non-TD fans) would enjoy.
sinceely,
The AftErMatH MachInE
xavier777
From:
'j.gordon'
Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 5:29
am
Subject: Re: Juke Box Hero
> All right, I know there are those who AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! Tyger... but
> are there those who can stand tall, stand true and say YES! I liked this
> album... com >>
>
>
> NOT ME..............the album is ruined by the vocals.
>
> Only my opinion of course............does that make me not a 'real fan ' ?
> Kelvin
j.gordon here...
I don't know, Kelvin... maybe you are an imaginary fan 'dreamed' up by the
members of the list... :)
j.gordon
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Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 5:36
am
Subject: Re: Running list for jukebox.
>
> We have narrowed it down to 4 albums
> 1) Dream mixes
> 2) tournado
> 3) rockoon
> 4) 220v live
>
j.gordon here...
WHAT??? NO TYGER?? WHERE'S TYGER?? Carl, you forgot TYGER!! It must be a
typo... I'm sure you meant the list to look like this:
1) Tyger
2) Dream mixes
3) tournado
4) rockoon
5) 220v live
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Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 5:40
am
Subject: Re: Running list for jukebox.
> Another question totally unrelated. Is being a dedicated fan of TD a male
> only thing ? There seems to be a great lack of female participation on this
> list and as a fan base generally.
j.gordon here...
My wife is a professional singer and I meet lots of women from all over the
world... one thing that really seems to stand out is the attraction to
acoustical music... orchestras, included... eletronic music (guitars,
keyboards, etc) of many sorts just doesn't appeal... this is a generalization
and there are those women who don't fall into the category... but by and large,
when I talk of going to concerts, the females all respond to acoustic...
just a thought...
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Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 5:45
am
Subject: Re: TD soundtrack list?
> Speaking of soundtracks, I am not 100% positive, but I am under the
> impression that TD did the soundtrack for the movie 'Scarface'. I have seen
> no mention of this fact anywhere. Can anyone confirm? Is there a
> soundtrack for 'Scarface'?
j.gordon here...
when I was in college, there was this drinking game... you put in 'Scarface' (I
assume we're talking about Al's version) and with a six pack (or bottle of
tequila) handy, you watch the film... every time anyone says 'fuck', you take a
drink... the first forty-five minutes are slow, and you may even get thirsty...
but after an hour and a half, you'll be working on your second six pack... :)
Anyway, needless to say, I watched that film many, many times (it's a
classic... if you haven't seen it, make it a must) and remember the music
well... it ain't TD...
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From:
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Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 1:08
pm
Subject: Fw: [tadream] To Joe re questions for Td
> There is only one question on my mind
> The obvious one
> WHY NO UK TOUR
>
>
I agree Totally but where would be a good venue?
I would say manchester:- Apollo?
Obviously 'cos that would be good for me.
Any Ideas?
' If you value your lives be some were else. '
Delenne, Severed Dreams...
Shadow
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Subject: Re: Fw: [tadream] To Joe re questions for Td
----------
> De : Shadow
> A : tadream@o...
> Objet : [tadream] Fw: [tadream] To Joe re questions for Td
> Date : vendredi 16 avril 1999 14:08
>
> From: 'Shadow'
>
> > There is only one question on my mind
> > The obvious one
> > WHY NO UK TOUR
> >
> >
Greetings
Another similar question :
Why TD never come in France (last time in 1986 at Olypia Paris - great gig)
?
Yannick Edom
Mirage Conceptions Visuelles
Champlain B7 A101
47 Chemin de pelleport
31500 Toulouse
FRANCE
e-mail : yannick.edom@s...
From:
'Leon Roszkowski'
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 11:38 PM
Subject: [tadream] Re: Running list for jukebox.
> From: TJames0001@a...
> OK --here goes---I am 55---been aTD fan for along time---since 67. Since
> that time I have only come across 2 maybe 3 females that like TD. The
first
> two are my 30 year sister and my 7 year old grandaughter. The 3rd one was
> older than me and she worked in a local bank. How about that for
> discrimination. How about a head count
> ladies??
> Tom (Tangram)
From:
'Plumer, Scott'
Speaking of soundtracks, I am not 100% positive, but I am under the
impression that TD did the soundtrack for the movie 'Scarface'. I have seen
no mention of this fact anywhere. Can anyone confirm? Is there a
soundtrack for 'Scarface'?
----------
>From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
>To: tadream@o...
>Subject: [tadream] TD soundtrack list?
>Date: Thu, Apr 15, 1999, 1:39 AM
>
>From: 'Dan J. Schulte'
>
>Can anyone here forward me a list of every TD soundtrack completed to
>date? If you can cut & paste a list you may have laying around I'd
>appreciate it. Thanks,
>
>Dan
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From:
'Plumer, Scott' OK --here goes---I am 55---been aTD fan for along time---since 67. Since
I'm curious: How'd you hear about them in '67?
Scott
From:
'Joe Shoults'
From:
Antonio Nunes
>Here's a thought - maybe he will! Besides I'm not so sure the origin of the
bands'
>name might not be 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds'. I listened to The Ones 'Lady
>Greengrass' earlier today, check out the lyrics below, and I guess that's a
pretty
>strong contender to where the name came from. Don't you think? (Of course, it's
>just a thought...)
>
> [LADY GREENGRASS lyrics snipped]
>
> (I don't know how correct the transcription is, I found this on the Internet
somewhere)
Perhaps you found that on the 'other' list? Actually this topic was
massively discussed there, and as far as I remember, 4 theories were
proposed :
A) The name came from the designation of a drug. Apparently there was a
drug in the 60's known as 'Tangerine Dream'.
B) The name came from the 'Lady Greengrass' lyrics, as you pointed out.
C) The name came from an album from the band Kaleidoscope. This band
released in 1967 an album called 'Tangerine Dream'.
D) The name came from the lyrics of 'Lucy in the Sky...'.
IMHO, the most likely is A) and so my question for the interview would
be:
Do you confirm or deny that the name of the band came from the
designation of a drug?
BTW, this procedure would not be unique. When I was a student in the
early 70's, my school had a band called LSD (no, I was not a member).
Antonio
From:
'Plumer, Scott' De : Shadow
> A : tadream@o...
> Objet : [tadream] Fw: [tadream] To Joe re questions for Td
> Date : vendredi 16 avril 1999 14:08
>
> From: 'Shadow'
>
> > There is only one question on my mind
> > The obvious one
> > WHY NO UK TOUR
> >
> >
Greetings
Another similar question :
Why TD never come in France (last time in 1986 at Olypia Paris - great gig)
?
Yannick Edom
Mirage Conceptions Visuelles
Champlain B7 A101
47 Chemin de pelleport
31500 Toulouse
FRANCE
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'Joe Shoults' From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> Copied from my book, here is a list of all the known soundtracks TD has
> done. Those with a '*' have a soundtrack album available.
>
>
> Geradeaus bis zum Morgen: 1972
> Ein für Allemal: 1973
> Kassensturz (Tatort episode): 1976
> Sorceror*: 1977
> Future War 198X (unauthorized): 1978
> Cosmos (TV)*: 1980
> Thief*: 1981
> Das Mädchen auf der Treppe (Tatort episdode)*: 1982
> Identification of a Woman: 1982
> The Soldier: 1982
> Wavelength*: 1983
> Miriam* (Tatort episode): 1983
> Risky Business*: 1983
> The Keep*: 1983
> Heisser Schnee (Tatort episode): 1984
> Streethawk (TV): 1984
> Heartbreakers*: 1984
> Firestarter*: 1984
> Flashpoint*: 1984
> Visionquest* (ST has no TD): 1985
> Red Heat: 1985
> Forbidden: 1985
> Kneuss: 1986
> Zoning*: 1986
> The Park is Mine*: 1986
> Legend*: 1986
> Red Nights: 1987
> Tonight's the Night: 1987
> City of Shadows: 1987
> Deadly Care*: 1987
> Near Dark*: 1987
> Three O'Clock High*: 1987
> Dead Solid Perfect*: 1988
> Miracle Mile*: 1989
> Destination Berlin*: 1989
> The Man Inside*: 1991
> The Park is Mine*: 1992
> Highway to Hell: 1992
> Catch Me If You Can: 1993
> Luminous Visions: 1998
>
> Scott
>
From:
'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@c...]
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 10:27 AM
> To: tadream@o...
> Subject: [tadream] Re: TD Soundtracks
>
>
> From: 'Joe Shoults'
>
> They also did or were included in the following:
>
> Memphis PD: War on the Streets (1996) (TV)
> Switch, The (1993) (TV)
> Rainbow Drive (1990) (TV)
> Canyon Dreams (1987)
> Shy People (1987)
> Dead Kids (1981 USA)
> ... aka Small Town Massacre (1981 New Zealand)
> ... aka Strange Behavior (1981 New Zealand
> Game Over (1978 Canada)
> The Soldier (USA) aka Codename: The Soldier (Finland, France, Norway)
>
> Soundtrack availability unknown.
>
> other useful info:
>
> Forbidden (USA) was aka Versteckt (Germany)
> Thief (USA) was aka Violent Streets (EUR)
> Vision Quest (USA) was aka Crazy for You (EUR)
> Tonight's the Night (1987 USA) was aka The Game of Love (1994 Spain)
> Sorceror (USA) was aka Wages of Fear (EUR)
>
> This should be a pretty complete list.
> -joe
>
>
>
> > From: 'Plumer, Scott'
> >
> > Copied from my book, here is a list of all the known soundtracks TD has
> > done. Those with a '*' have a soundtrack album available.
> >
> >
> > Geradeaus bis zum Morgen: 1972
> > Ein für Allemal: 1973
> > Kassensturz (Tatort episode): 1976
> > Sorceror*: 1977
> > Future War 198X (unauthorized): 1978
> > Cosmos (TV)*: 1980
> > Thief*: 1981
> > Das Mädchen auf der Treppe (Tatort episdode)*: 1982
> > Identification of a Woman: 1982
> > The Soldier: 1982
> > Wavelength*: 1983
> > Miriam* (Tatort episode): 1983
> > Risky Business*: 1983
> > The Keep*: 1983
> > Heisser Schnee (Tatort episode): 1984
> > Streethawk (TV): 1984
> > Heartbreakers*: 1984
> > Firestarter*: 1984
> > Flashpoint*: 1984
> > Visionquest* (ST has no TD): 1985
> > Red Heat: 1985
> > Forbidden: 1985
> > Kneuss: 1986
> > Zoning*: 1986
> > The Park is Mine*: 1986
> > Legend*: 1986
> > Red Nights: 1987
> > Tonight's the Night: 1987
> > City of Shadows: 1987
> > Deadly Care*: 1987
> > Near Dark*: 1987
> > Three O'Clock High*: 1987
> > Dead Solid Perfect*: 1988
> > Miracle Mile*: 1989
> > Destination Berlin*: 1989
> > The Man Inside*: 1991
> > The Park is Mine*: 1992
> > Highway to Hell: 1992
> > Catch Me If You Can: 1993
> > Luminous Visions: 1998
> >
> > Scott
> >
>
>
>
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> From: 'Plumer, Scott'
>
> Yes there is. It's by Ennio Morricone.
Folks, Scarface was done by Giorgio Moroder.
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From:
'Thomas' From: 'Shadow'
>
>> There is only one question on my mind
>> The obvious one
>> WHY NO UK TOUR
>>
>I agree Totally but where would be a good venue?
>I would say manchester:- Apollo?
>Obviously 'cos that would be good for me.
>Any Ideas?
I would say Scandinavia! They've NEVER been here, and I'm waiting for them to
come to Copenhagen at least, the culture centre of the North!
Thomas
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From:
'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message-----
From:
Sean Montgomery OK. got it. one big question for why no tour dates in (insert your backyard
> here)
I can forecast the answer: money. Tours are expensive, particularly in
the case of a band like TD. They have to take all that equipment with
them, not to mention the light show. Now that they don't have a record
label to finance them, tours are bound to be scarce, particularly in small
markets, where they can't fill large halls. The band has a pretty low
profile now too...they'd have to do a lot of promotion, and that can cost
a lot too.
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From:
Antonio Nunes
> A) The name came from the designation of a drug. Apparently there was a
> drug in the 60's known as 'Tangerine Dream'.
>
> B) The name came from the 'Lady Greengrass' lyrics, as you pointed out.
>
> C) The name came from an album from the band Kaleidoscope. This band
> released in 1967 an album called 'Tangerine Dream'.
>
> D) The name came from the lyrics of 'Lucy in the Sky...'.
I forgot to mention a 5th theory. Well, not exactly a theory but another
explanation by Edgar Froese himself. He said in some interview that the
name of the band was an acronym, but he was not going to reveal its
meaning.
Now fellows, please don't start the acronym thread on this list :-)
Antonio
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'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'