From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'Ambassador Nelaskon' Ok guys thanks a million for the response its been overwhelming > >We have narrowed it down to 4 albums >1) Dream mixes >2) tournado >3) rockoon >4) 220v live > >ANY MORE THOUGHTS. Well, some of the Rockoon tracks might sound too cheesy to get real attention. I love it, but if I had only heard track 9 from Rockoon, I would have dismissed the band immediately. Lucky /me I heard TOT and Melrose first! >Another question totally unrelated. Is being a dedicated fan of TD a male >only thing ? There seems to be a great lack of female participation on this >list and as a fan base generally. It's not just this list. It's most lists. Anyway, I know 2 girls and 2 guys besides me who REALLY like TD... See 'ya later! -Nelaskon ECA --- 'Never stop Dreaming. When you forget how to Dream, you forget how to live.' -maX Verran [Aurealis] Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com From: TJames0001@a... Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 10:43 pm Subject: Re: feedback wanted Joe It would be interesting to know the various Synthesisers TD has used over the years and if they still have them. Just a brief history... Thanks, Tom From: Jens Peschke Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 11:16 pm Subject: Re: TD & EM live was (Response to Sean Montgomerys .) > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > We are not talking major tours here just on or two gigs in selected > countries to give the maximum amount of people the chance to see > them at least once. Ok the band may not be able to fill 50,000 > seats in a stadium anymore but you can only blame the band for > that. > more gigs =more album sales =more fans=more money=more gigs see > what I mean. Carl, I think you've lost the plot a bit. I pretty much doubt your formula is valid for niche music such as electronic music. The last time they toured Germany TD got 'round 500 attendees at each gig which is a shame, btw. In their golden (read successful) years they got played in huge radio shows, on the tv, got a lot of press et all. And indeed their live shows were famous and brilliant (not always) as you said. But if you look at the EM scene as a whole there just isn't a huge market in europe for it. A *small* niche. TD needs to get played on MTV or similar programs to get the audience they deserve. As long as only 100 - 150 Brits are attending the few EM gigs in the UK (Jodrell Bank and such) and mainland Europe's biggest EM festivals have only 800-1.000 visitors it's always a financial risk to organise any EM gig incl. TD, Schulze & Ashra. JMJ & Vangelis don't really count here. The Dutch now defunkt KLEMdag had Ashra as main act in 97' and lost a lot of money although more than 1.000 people visited the festival. They stopped this festival as well as EMMA (UK). Don't get me wrong, I still have hope for the EM scene. > Long live Rock and Roll. Yep - rock on, mate ! Jens --- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net From: Jens Peschke Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 11:38 pm Subject: Re: feedback wanted > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > doing some testing on the tadream website. would like some feedback if > anyone out there can offer it. it takes about 100 seconds to load on my > 28.8 modem (how about you?) Took about the same time over here (apart from loading the plug-in). If you want the people to go back to your site use only few graphics and no plug-ins. Takes too much time. The samples don't sound very good. I won't use any by default. The sites navigation bar is hot and most useful, btw. Do those who are charged by the minute (all us Euros) a favour and make is a tad quicker I'd say. Don't get me wrong, I really apprechiate your efforts and am looking forward to an excellent informative tadream web site! Suggestions for new sections: gig reports album reviews dream experiences poll results Kind Regards and keep on the good work :-) Jens --- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Fri Apr 16, 1999 11:45 pm Subject: Re: TD & EM live was (Response to Sean Montgomerys .) Even at their most successful, I don't think they filled venues all that big. Don't know about the size of European venues, but the ones in the US that they filled in '77 were all 2-3000 seats. I bet if they were hyped enough they could fill bigger places. And if they really wanted to tour, they could probably work something out with the fans to help them. I'd certainly open my home to them. The fact that they're not playing the bigger venues now doesn't mean that their popularity is waning, just that their appeal is becoming more selective. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Jens Peschke [mailto:J.Peschke@g...] Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 7:17 PM To: tadream@o... Subject: [tadream] Re: TD & EM live was (Response to Sean Montgomerys .) From: Jens Peschke > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > We are not talking major tours here just on or two gigs in selected > countries to give the maximum amount of people the chance to see > them at least once. Ok the band may not be able to fill 50,000 > seats in a stadium anymore but you can only blame the band for > that. > more gigs =more album sales =more fans=more money=more gigs see > what I mean. Carl, I think you've lost the plot a bit. I pretty much doubt your formula is valid for niche music such as electronic music. The last time they toured Germany TD got 'round 500 attendees at each gig which is a shame, btw. In their golden (read successful) years they got played in huge radio shows, on the tv, got a lot of press et all. And indeed their live shows were famous and brilliant (not always) as you said. But if you look at the EM scene as a whole there just isn't a huge market in europe for it. A *small* niche. TD needs to get played on MTV or similar programs to get the audience they deserve. As long as only 100 - 150 Brits are attending the few EM gigs in the UK (Jodrell Bank and such) and mainland Europe's biggest EM festivals have only 800-1.000 visitors it's always a financial risk to organise any EM gig incl. TD, Schulze & Ashra. JMJ & Vangelis don't really count here. The Dutch now defunkt KLEMdag had Ashra as main act in 97' and lost a lot of money although more than 1.000 people visited the festival. They stopped this festival as well as EMMA (UK). Don't get me wrong, I still have hope for the EM scene. > Long live Rock and Roll. Yep - rock on, mate ! Jens --- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com Thank you. From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: JMPoer From: 'Joe Shoults' >the test url is: http://tadream.copfer.com/default3.html > >any more ideas for categories on the left? content in general? > >thanks in advance, >joe Hi Joe, It's sure a lot of fun to run the cursor up and down the list and get all the sounds cascading on top of each other. If you put the right stuff behind the items, you could put together a pretty good 'loop' sequencer. Nice job on the site. The initial 'zoom' or 'fade' with the homepage picture is a bit jerky on MY system, but maybe it was meant to be that way. John Poer jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Steven Le Vine' >Another question totally unrelated. Is being a dedicated fan of TD a male >only thing ? There seems to be a great lack of female participation on this >list and as a fan base generally. From: KMu9978842@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Apr 17, 1999 12:11 am Subject: RED SHIFT In einer eMail vom 17/04/99 01:46:09 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt carl-jacqui@k...: << Thema: [tadream] to Jens Peschke. Datum: 17/04/99 01:46:09 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit From: carl-jacqui@k... (Carl & Jacqui Kearney) Reply-to: tadream@o... To: tadream@o... (TD EMAIL) From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Thanks for the reply Jens Your probably right its been several years now that ive been off the scene I had no Idea that the band had lost so much support. The last concert i went to was at the Manchester Appollo here in the Uk and it was sold out but as I say its been along time .( about 8 years ) Talking of Jodrell Bank Ive just Picked up today on a band called Red Shift Heared any of there stuff, What they like ? Can you recomend them >> Brilliant, Mark Shreeve and Ian Boddy.........try their first 2 albums 'Red Shift' and 'Ether' ('Red Shift 2'), often hailed as 'Rubycon Mk2'; deep, improvised, echoed, melodic synth music that features masses of mellotron, choir, brass, strings, analogue sequencers etc etc- massive sound and great keyboards. Their new album, 'Down Time' is due out this month (Mine is on order !). Yep, definitely recommend you give them a go..... Kelvin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15768 Re: RED SHIFT Jens Peschke Sat 4/17/1999 2 KB From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Joe Shoults' >To: >Subject: [tadream] Re: to Joe Re Questions for TD >Date: Fri, Apr 16, 1999, 4:10 PM > >From: 'Joe Shoults' > >OK. got it. one big question for why no tour dates in (insert your backyard >here) >;-) >-joe > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Did you know that knowledge is power? >http://www.ONElist.com >Join a new ONElist e-mail community and strengthen your mind! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option >(instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), >and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the >tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com >Thank you. > From: 'Steven Le Vine' >when I was in college, there was this drinking game... you put in 'Scarface' (I >assume we're talking about Al's version) and with a six pack (or bottle of >tequila) handy, you watch the film... every time anyone says 'fuck', you take a >drink... the first forty-five minutes are slow, and you may even get thirsty... >but after an hour and a half, you'll be working on your second six pack... :) > >Anyway, needless to say, I watched that film many, many times (it's a >classic... if you haven't seen it, make it a must) and remember the music >well... it ain't TD... > >j.gordon From: KMu9978842@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Apr 17, 1999 12:32 am Subject: Re: RED SHIFT-correction In einer eMail vom 17/04/99 00:06:05 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt KMu9978842@a...: << ema: [tadream] RED SHIFT Datum: 17/04/99 00:06:05 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit From: KMu9978842@a... Reply-to: tadream@o... To: tadream@o... From: KMu9978842@a... In einer eMail vom 17/04/99 01:46:09 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt carl-jacqui@k...: << Thema: [tadream] to Jens Peschke. Datum: 17/04/99 01:46:09 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit From: carl-jacqui@k... (Carl & Jacqui Kearney) Reply-to: tadream@o... To: tadream@o... (TD EMAIL) From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Thanks for the reply Jens Your probably right its been several years now that ive been off the scene I had no Idea that the band had lost so much support. The last concert i went to was at the Manchester Appollo here in the Uk and it was sold out but as I say its been along time .( about 8 years ) Talking of Jodrell Bank Ive just Picked up today on a band called Red Shift Heared any of there stuff, What they like ? Can you recomend them >> Brilliant, Mark Shreeve ........try their first 2 albums 'Red Shift' and 'Ether' ('Red Shift 2'), often hailed as 'Rubycon Mk2'; deep, improvised, echoed, melodic synth music that features masses of mellotron, choir, brass, strings, analogue sequencers etc etc- massive sound and great keyboards. Their new album, 'Down Time' is due out this month (Mine is on order !). Yep, definitely recommend you give them a go..... Kelvin (sorry, made a mistake first time--------remembered it doesnt include I.B.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did you know that ONElist hosts some of the largest lists on the Internet? http://www.ONElist.com Our scaleable system is the most reliable free e-mail service on the Internet! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com Thank you. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Re >> From: Jens Peschke From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Thanks for the reply Jens Your probably right its been several years now > that ive been off the scene I had no Idea that the band had lost so much support. It's up to us to change that, eh ? ;-) > Talking of Jodrell Bank Ive just Picked up today on a band >called Red Shift Heared any of there stuff, What they like ? Can you >recomend them Yep. Most certainly. Go and get 'Ether' if you fancy Modular moog sequencer stuff and mellotrons. Their first 'Radshift' is a bit of a rip off of Rubycon/Phaedra, Mark Shrieve - the main man behind that project - just learned to use a Modular Moog as he was interested in a UK based band called Node (now defunkt). 'Ether' goes a step further and offers composed TD styled 70s music - some people even prefer it to TD's Encore. Their newest is a bit more varied. Saw them live last Saturday at the a-centauri festival in Huizen, Holland (more than 800 visitors). If you haven't heard any of the newer EM acts and do like TD ca. 75-77 you'd have wettened your trowsers. Hope this helps Jens --- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net From: Jens Peschke From: KMu9978842@a... > Brilliant, Mark Shreeve and Ian Boddy Yep. They teamed up as 'ARC'. Their CD 'Octane' is outstanding, mixing Berlin School TD type stuff (sequences/mellotron/mini-moog styled lead) with modern 90s ambient (mainly Ian Boddy's influence). Not as easy accessable as Redshift but you should give them a try anyway. Saw them live last year - one of the best two gigs I saw in my life - the other being Ashra 1997. Liked it better than Redshift and TD live (in 1997). Redshift's music is not improvised, btw. I can tell. You can't do such varied and structered music on the fly. Noone can. Especially not with Mood sequencers where you have to tune each single step in advance (with a knob) !!! On to TD. I was wondering some years ago why TD's sequences were so static in the 70s based on the few fan recordings I own. They were really boring in some shows compared to what newer retro 70s acts like Redshift, AirSculpture, Node and ARC (all UK based) are doing. I you wonder yourself - it's as they used analogue sequencers which were hard to use (no memory, just one pattern accessable at once, needs time to pre-program et al). Keeping that in mind, they did some technically and musically outstanding stuff but had a lot of technical restrictions back in those days. Although they were using up to 8 or 9 sequencers they had only very few pre programmed patterns available and often kept the sequences unchnaged running to add stuff on top. Later on in the 80s technology changed and their sequencing got more varied/composed/structured. Kind Regards Jens --- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net From: 'Steven Le Vine' >Anybody Listen to 'Tangerine Ambience II'? I've re-listened to the >first >>one & am not as impressed as I originally was. So I am holding off >on 'II'. >> >> >>siberkat >> >>- >>go ahead and buy II. it is alot better than 1 (and i like 1). tom > From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- |> From: Jens Peschke [mailto:J.Peschke@g...] |> Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 7:39 PM |> To: tadream@o... |> Subject: [tadream] Re: feedback wanted |> |> |> From: Jens Peschke |> |> > From: 'Joe Shoults' |> > |> > doing some testing on the tadream website. would like some feedback if |> > anyone out there can offer it. it takes about 100 seconds to |> load on my |> > 28.8 modem (how about you?) |> |> Took about the same time over here (apart from loading the plug-in). |> |> If you want the people to go back to your site use only few graphics and |> no plug-ins. Takes too much time. The samples |> don't sound very good. I won't use any by default. |> |> The sites navigation bar is hot and most useful, btw. |> Do those who are charged by the minute (all us Euros) |> a favour and make is a tad quicker I'd say. |> |> Don't get me wrong, I really apprechiate your efforts |> and am looking forward to an excellent informative tadream web site! |> |> Suggestions for new sections: |> |> gig reports |> album reviews |> dream experiences |> poll results |> |> Kind Regards and keep on the good work :-) |> |> Jens From: 'Joe Shoults' |> Hi Joe, |> |> It's sure a lot of fun to run the cursor up and down the list |> and get all the |> sounds cascading on top of each other. If you put the right |> stuff behind the |> items, you could put together a pretty good 'loop' sequencer. |> |> Nice job on the site. The initial 'zoom' or 'fade' with the |> homepage picture is |> a bit jerky on MY system, but maybe it was meant to be that way. |> |> John Poer From: 'James Horecka, AIA' From: 'cinemafan' From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Date: Sat Apr 17, 1999 5:24 am Subject: Re: RED SHI*T Jens Peschke wrote: > > From: Jens Peschke > > > From: KMu9978842@a... > > > Brilliant, Mark Shreeve and Ian Boddy > > Yep. They teamed up as 'ARC'. Their CD 'Octane' > is outstanding, mixing Berlin School TD type stuff > (sequences/mellotron/mini-moog styled lead) > with modern 90s ambient (mainly Ian Boddy's influence). Ugh, I have to say that ARC/Octane is one of the most dreadful pieces of crap I've ever heard, BS or not...it's a terrible example of EM in it's most unmelodic neanderthal form. Imagine literally going inside of a computer and listening to the bleeps and blips going on around you. The only thing that amazes me more than those who create such trite EM are those who listen to it and actually enjoy it. Of course, this is only my opinion. After hearing Mark's earlier works, anyone would be amazed at what possesses one to produce something like Octane. > Not as easy accessable as Redshift but you should give them a try > anyway. Take mine from me..please! $15 postpaid!! Saw them live last year - one of the best two gigs > I saw in my life - the other being Ashra 1997. > Liked it better than Redshift and TD live (in 1997). > > Redshift's music is not improvised, btw. That's what really scares me. they actually thought out this stuff? At least if it were improvised they'd have had an excuse. > I can tell. You can't do such varied and structered > music on the fly. Noone can. Especially not with Mood sequencers > where you have to tune each single step in advance (with a knob) !!! > Keeping that in mind, they did some technically and musically > outstanding stuff but had a lot of technical restrictions > back in those days. Although they were using up to 8 or 9 sequencers > they had only very few pre programmed patterns available > and often kept the sequences unchnaged running to add stuff on top. > > Later on in the 80s technology changed and their sequencing > got more varied/composed/structured. Yes, so what's Shreeve's problem these days? Heh, even TD doesn't currently produce such garbage...but of course, choose for yourself people. Dan -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15776 Re: RED SHI*T Hassinen Ami Sat 4/17/1999 2 KB 15779 Re: RED SHI*T Jens Peschke Sat 4/17/1999 2 KB From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Date: Sat Apr 17, 1999 5:32 am Subject: Re: Scarface?NOT! > cinemafan wrote: > > As Dano pointed out, Giorgio Moroder did the Scarface ST , which was > comprised mostly of 'Disco' songs, with three instrumental tracks > being the album highlights. Ahh, finally someone else who realizes they had nothing to do with that score, haha!! Chris dude! How ya been! Where ya been?!? remember that Day of the Dead cassette you let me borrow? It's now a legend hahaha!!! It is out of print on LP and CASS , but > 'Grey Markets' abound. Unfortunately my copy has tacked on psuedo rock > crap by some cheezball who transferred it to CDR. I saw that guy on Rec.movies.music...I knew something was up with that. He even went so far > to rip off the GM Tony theme and call it a 'Tribute Theme' ! Anyway > most of Moroders instrumentals in the film were snippets of the main > Tony theme, but still a worthwhile album for TD-like music. Personally I'll take Cat People until they release a full Scarface score. On a > personal note Dan, next week I'm getting in touch to order your albums > ,I've been listening to your Carpenteresque MP3 all week! Then you'll hopefully be happy to know I'm working on an entire album of tunes inspired by his films and his music (with a possible forward by Howarth). They'll be some new MP3's up this week too at MP3.com...so keep a watchin! Regards, Dan -- Dan J. Schulte Rakinik Intertype Homepage-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Progressive Electronic Music/Revelation Club: A different side of sci-fi From: 'Hassinen Ami' Date: Sat Apr 17, 1999 6:20 am Subject: Re: RED SHI*T At 22:24 16.4.1999 -0700, you wrote: >From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Oh my God!!!! I�ve been on the list (old and new) for one and a half years now and this Dan�s mail is the first one I totally/entirely/absolutely/completely disagree with!!!! If I didn�t know that Dan has a flair for humour I would get really angry ;-) Don�t believe that man!!! ARC�s Octane is an absolutely fabulous album. It blends the best traditions of the 70�s EM with the modern EM elements beautifully and uniquely. What I want to say is that this mail is a perfect testimony of how varied tastes can be in the TD-fan land. Which is a good thing sometimes, I guess... cheers, Ami >Ugh, I have to say that ARC/Octane is one of the most dreadful pieces of >crap I've ever heard, BS or not...it's a terrible example of EM in it's >most unmelodic neanderthal form. Imagine literally going inside of a >computer and listening to the bleeps and blips going on around you. The >only thing that amazes me more than those who create such trite EM are >those who listen to it and actually enjoy it. Of course, this is only my >opinion. After hearing Mark's earlier works, anyone would be amazed at >what possesses one to produce something like Octane. Jens: >> Redshift's music is not improvised, btw. > Dan: >That's what really scares me. they actually thought out this stuff? At >least if it were improvised they'd have had an excuse. > Jens: >> Later on in the 80s technology changed and their sequencing >> got more varied/composed/structured. > Dan: >Yes, so what's Shreeve's problem these days? Heh, even TD doesn't >currently produce such garbage...but of course, choose for yourself >people. > >Dan From: Jens Peschke Date: Sat Apr 17, 1999 10:07 am Subject: Re: feedback wanted > From: 'Joe Shoults' > the gig list is another one I wanted, for sure. what do you mean > by 'poll results'? Results of member polls such as Craig C's fave td list or Mr. Theissen's old poll. Would be most useful for newbies to know which TD releases are the most popular. They might indicate a good starting point to build up a decent collections. Keep in mind there are still some people around with less than 50 or even 30 albums in their collection. Kind Regards Jens np sequencers&stuff ;-) --- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Apr 17, 1999 10:03 am Subject: UK Tour >> There is only one question on my mind >> The obvious one >> WHY NO UK TOUR >> >I agree Totally but where would be a good venue? >I would say Manchester:- Apollo? >Obviously 'cos that would be good for me. >Any Ideas? Er, guys... they played Manchester Apollo in November 1997 as part of the Tournado tour... They did a full UK tour at this time... playing all over the country, as opposed to the one off gig in London. How often are you expecting them to come here? Regards, Lawry From: Jens Peschke Date: Sat Apr 17, 1999 10:14 am Subject: Re: RED SHI*T > From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Erm. We know each others points of view/tastes long enough so I keep it as short as possible. ;-) > Take mine from me..please! $15 postpaid!! I'm still waiting for the free copy you promised a long time ago. ;-) > > Redshift's music is not improvised, btw. > > That's what really scares me. they actually thought out this stuff? Yes. They almost exactly reproduced tracks from Ether (a lame Bombers in the desert) and their new release 'Down Time'. At least Julian Shreeve & Mr. Goddard had sheets of paper with an overall plan of the performance and were counting bars to get they bits sorted. Some sequences were done live on the Modular Moog, others were driven by an Atari PC but still used some Moog sound modules/filters at all. Kind Regards Jens Playing back a prepared midi file isn't exactly improvised, eh ? --- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Apr 17, 1999 10:05 am Subject: TD Name Origins >>* origins >> -what was it like studying with Dali? >> -from where did the TD name really come? > After all this time, you still haven't learned that TD will never tell us the real origin of the name. Pity. It IS >from Lucy In The Sky... but Edgar denies it... The last I heard.. Tangerine Dream was a type of LSD back in the late 60's which is why the two words crop up so much in various band names, album titles, song lyrics, and strippers names! No wonder Ed now refuses to admit that his band was named after a drug, so he makes up different stories to keep everyone guessing.. Regards, Lawry From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'j.gordon' I have seen the Atom Heart Mother Limited Ed. Trance Remix, the Meddle > Limited Ed. Trance Remix and Rubycon revisited in local CD stores here in > Toronto. I still haven't been able to sit through the AHM remix, however; and > wouldn't therefore recommend any of them. j.gordon here... Strange that, I mean not recommending them... Toronto is a long way from Zurich... I'll have to see what I can dig up here... > > Never thought of Koyannisqatsi as 'Trance', but I think I can hear why that > label might be applied. It makes me suspect that other minimalist pieces > could also be so considered. I should probably clarify that... I meant it less in the sense of House/Trance/Bass&Drum and more in the sense of meditation... but now that it's been seen in that light, I can... well, like... see it that way... TD plug: Astral Voyager would make a good House mix, eh? :) From a Rising Runner to an Endless Sender... j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' I think we are going to include Tyger in the short list for the Juke Box > just to apease J Gordon and the like Mind you I like it to. j.gordon here... Now there is a man... Carl! Three cheers! Huzzah! Huzzah! Burning bright... Okay, enough and onward into the abyss... Carl, your question about women and TD got me to thinking... It's actually a really good question... so I did some research... but it didn't really hit home till this morning... I was working with a composer (he writes the music, I write the lyrics) and we were looking at songs and talking about lyrics... of course, the main man, Neil Pert came up, and my friend asked me about his lyrics and I said, well, Neil is always writing about the human condition, and pop songs (which my friend writes) deal with relationships... then it hit me... There are some really good books available that deal with the raising of children... the best ones are the ones that offer insight for parents into themselves... There are two in particular that point out something very interesting... The basic nature of boys (men) and girls (women)... they can be summed up in three questions each... Boys 1) Who is in charge? 2) What are the rules? 3) Who is going to enforce those rules? Girls 1) Who am I in relationship with? 2) What is the nature of that relationship? 3) What can I do to maintatin that relationship? So, I talked to my wife... I think this is pretty close to the truth... TD doesn't have lyrics (in general, and the ones they do don't really deal with relationships, except Shy People and how many even have that soundtrack, let alone play it for their ladies? and it's one from dozens) and women are looking for relationship-oriented music... ask yourself why pop songs are so popular (Celion Dion, Whintey Houston, Mariah Carey, etc)... and who listens to that music... the boyz in da 'hood sure as hell ain't pumping George Michael out of their blasters... they majority of active listeners are women... how come? RELATIONSHIPS... those songs are about relationships (lyrically)... so, in conclusion to a acutally very interesting idea, I'd say it's because TD doesn't deal with relationships (between people) in any concrete sense... Doesn't change the fact that it's incredible music... only give a hypothsis (supported by at least one lady who doesn't like TD) as to why TD seems to be, in general, a male thing... Let me know what you think about this hypothosis... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' Cyclone > Rubycon > Ricochet > > Any opinions? > > siberkat j.gordon here... How 'bout... wait for it... wait for it... TYGER? =:^1> j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Leon Roszkowski' To: Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 2:14 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Interview questions and Dream Trinity. > From: Antonio Nunes > Thomas wrote: > > > >Here's a thought - maybe he will! Besides I'm not so sure the origin of the bands' > >name might not be 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds'. I listened to The Ones 'Lady > >Greengrass' earlier today, check out the lyrics below, and I guess that's a pretty > >strong contender to where the name came from. Don't you think? (Of course, it's > >just a thought...) > > > > [LADY GREENGRASS lyrics snipped From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'j.gordon' >To: tadream@o... >Subject: [tadream] Re: Greetings >Date: Sat, Apr 17, 1999, 9:14 AM > >From: 'j.gordon' > > >> Cyclone >> Rubycon >> Ricochet >> >> Any opinions? >> >> siberkat > >j.gordon here... > >How 'bout... wait for it... wait for it... > >TYGER? > >=:^1> > >j.gordon >=== >*************************************************** >Brought to you by: >PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. > >j.gordon >=:^1> >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Looking to expand your world? >http://www.ONElist.com >ONElist has over 115,000 e-mail communities from which to chose! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option >(instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), >and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the >tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com >Thank you. > From: Antonio Nunes I'm sorry if this sounds dumb, but who recorded 'Lady Greengrass'? > Is it 'The Ones'? I've never heard of them. 'The Ones' was a band formed by Edgar Froese in 1965. Lady Greengrass/Love of Mine was a single released by them in 1967. Antonio From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' From: 'Plumer, Scott' 1)DOES ANY1 KNOW IF TD WILL BE GOING ON TOUR IN THE U.S. SOON!? Short answer: Ha! >2)WHAT IS THIS 'TRANSIBERIA'ALBUM (SOUNDTRACK, OR?)? It's a soundtrack they did for a documentary about the Transsiberia Express, which runs from Moscow (?) to Vladivostok, in Siberia. It's the longest rail line in the world. Scott From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Plumer, Scott' >To: ''tadream@o...'' >Subject: [tadream] Re: introduction >Date: Sat, Apr 17, 1999, 1:03 PM > > > >>2)WHAT IS THIS 'TRANSIBERIA'ALBUM (SOUNDTRACK, OR?)? > >It's a soundtrack they did for a documentary about the Transsiberia Express, >which runs from Moscow (?) to Vladivostok, in Siberia. It's the longest rail >line in the world. > >Scott > >- From: 'Dan J. Schulte' From: 'Dan J. Schulte' From: Charles Amos > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > >From carl. > > Excellent fun with the cursor took about 40 seconds on my 56 k modem sounds > great graphics getting there > > Brilliant stuff keep at it joe. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for a new hobby? Want to make a new friend? > http://www.ONElist.com > Come join one of the 115,000 e-mail communities at ONElist! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > Thank you. From: 'Joe Shoults' Catch you latter Carl and Jacqui Bytor and the Snow dog. i LOVE td... (SO MUCH) , BUT ALSO LOVE OLD RUSH From: 'teiwaz _' and women are looking for relationship-oriented music so we have women to blame for the popularity of misogynist rap music? certainly relationship-oriented. And I wonder if only guys buy classical music then? where's the realtionship-oriented music in that? what a crock np: transsiberia _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Joe Shoults' >To: >Subject: [tadream] Re: Tyger to J Gordon . >Date: Sun, Apr 18, 1999, 2:42 AM > >From: 'Joe Shoults' > >RUSH KICKS ASS! From: 'James Horecka, AIA' From: 'James Horecka, AIA' From: 'anthony simeone' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Sun Apr 18, 1999 9:41 pm Subject: J Gordon Hypothosis. Hi J sorry about the delay in replying to the question I was quite intoxicated last night ,and most of today actually. Anyway I personally agree with the theory, you obviously put a lot of thought into it . However my wife brought up one major contradiction, Classical music. Most classical music in the UK is apparently purchased and listened to by Women ? HMMM no lyrics there, but hey it's a bit like cars they don't no much about them either. Catch ya latter . Carl. See you on the Dark side of the moon. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15848 Re: J Gordon Hypothosis. j.gordon Tue 4/20/1999 2 KB 15852 Re: J Gordon Hypothosis. Joe Shoults Tue 4/20/1999 4 KB 15857 Re: J Gordon Hypothosis. Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Tue 4/20/1999 4 KB 15869 Re: J Gordon Hypothosis. Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Tue 4/20/1999 3 KB 15871 Re: J Gordon Hypothosis. j.gordon Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 15882 Re: J Gordon Hypothosis. Shadow Tue 4/20/1999 4 KB 15893 Re: J Gordon Hypothosis. j.gordon Wed 4/21/1999 2 KB 15894 Re: J Gordon Hypothosis. j.gordon Wed 4/21/1999 2 KB 15895 Re: J Gordon Hypothosis. j.gordon Wed 4/21/1999 2 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Sun Apr 18, 1999 10:00 pm Subject: Copyright. Ok guys looking for a bit of advice here. In my ever increasing struggle to spread the word I've decided to start turning my van into a mobile TD advertising Hoarding by having some TD album covers painted on the outside. Am I in breach of copyright law or will it be offensive to the band ?. Any advice on the matter would be appreciated. Carl. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15814 Re: Copyright. Plumer, Scott Mon 4/19/1999 1 KB From: 'Leon Roszkowski' Date: Sun Apr 18, 1999 8:47 pm Subject: Re: Question to Tadream Interview, and/or open discussion about bootlegs vs best ofs Well Said! I've been collecting TD since 1975 and I've got all of the remixes, collections, collors, best of, at nausium. If TD is listening, please give us more fresh, innovative music, not left overs. Leon ----- Original Message ----- From: anthony simeone Subject: [tadream] Question to Tadream Interview, and/or open discussion about bootlegs vs best ofs > From: 'anthony simeone' ... > But, if we (and Tadream) are so concerned about bootlegs, then why does Tadream (an so many other groups) continually flood the market with SO MANY 'BEST OFS'. To name a few cd titles: Dream Sequence (2 cd set), The Collection, Atlantic Bridges, Atlantic Walls, The Analogue Space Years, 2 versions of Dream mixes (one is a 1 cd album, the other is a 2 cd album with one cd the same as the one cd version - of which i have both), The private music of Tangerine Dream, Best of Pink Years, Best of Blue Years (and while they are at it, why not come out with a bunch of other colored years too), Book of Dreams, the Dream Roots Collection, and probably a few more that i didnt mention here. And we are all worried about bootlegging. Who is doing the bootlegging here, and capitalizing on it?? The fans?? Give me a break. I have 55 Tadream cds and i love them to death, but if another fan approaches me and asks me to make an album copy for them, i would be more than happy to. > Ask Tadream why they find it so necessary to keep putting the same songs out over and over again on these so called 'BEST OFs' and even 'The Best of the Best', and 'Better than the Best' and more of the Best, and so on.... > I think you get the point. ajs From: tadream-owner@O... Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 7:04 am Subject: New Survey Hello, There is a new survey for the tadream community. In your opinion, what is the best Tangerine Dream compilation album from the list shown? You may select only one, as difficult as that may be to do. ---- Possible answers are: o Dream Sequence o The Private Music of Tangerine Dream o Book of Dreams o The Story of Tangerine Dream o Tangents 5 CD box set o The Dream Roots Collection o The Dream Mixes o TimeSquare - Dream Mixes II o The Collection o Tangerine Dream '70-'80 To vote, please visit the following web page: http://www.onelist.com/surveycenter/tadream Thanks! tadream Owner Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15815 Re: New Survey Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Mon 4/19/1999 2 KB 15940 New Survey tadream-owner@O... Wed 4/21/1999 2 KB 15946 Re: New Survey Dan J. Schulte Wed 4/21/1999 2 KB 15951 Re: New Survey Joe Shoults Wed 4/21/1999 4 KB 15954 Re: New Survey Bennett Cookson Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB 15955 Re: New Survey Joe Shoults Thu 4/22/1999 2 KB 15961 Re: New Survey Gabe Yedid Thu 4/22/1999 1 KB 15962 Re: New Survey Sean Montgomery Thu 4/22/1999 1 KB 15963 Re: New Survey Gabe Yedid Thu 4/22/1999 1 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 6:56 am Subject: The Topic That Refused To Die (was: Question to Tadream Interview, and/or open discussion about bootlegs vs best ofs) Hi Anthony- |> To the list moderators |> i whole heartedly agree that bootlegs are illegal, and agree |> with your stand on the topic. i also agree with tadream fans |> supporting one another in obtaining copies of Tadream music that |> certain fans can not get a hold of by any other means. That is |> what fan clubs and lists should be about, along with other |> things, such as discussion, chat, information, news, etc. I'm confused. I'm not sure if you are saying you think boots should or shouldn't be discussed. Either way, I had hoped this topic was dead, and I speak for our fellow list members and for the health of the list in general when I say that we would appreciate it if this 'bootleg discussion' topic would die (please). The policy will not change, and boot discussion is not an integral aspect of the purpose of this forum, regardless of the purpose of any other fan club or list out there, nor will it be. Likewise, the discussion of whether or not it should even be discussed is over-tired, and as moderator, it is my job to call an end to it. Don't get me wrong, Anthony, I'm not picking on you- maybe *I* was the one who wasn't clear. Everyone drop this subject. It is counter-productive to the health of the list. I dread the idea of having to step in and filter messages, but we will do what is necessary to ensure quality. If you feel that anything else needs to be clarified, do it with me and the moderators personally OFF-LIST, at listowner-tadream@o... thanks. |> Ask Tadream why they find it so necessary to keep putting |> the same songs out over and over again on these so called 'BEST |> OFs' and even 'The Best of the Best', and 'Better than the Best' |> and more of the Best, and so on.... If I understand the rest of your message correctly, you are saying you don't understand why TD and other groups release so many 'Best Of' albums, and I think I can help you with that question: They release them because people buy them, and because these types of records serve as excellent introductory vehicles for new listeners and old fans alike to gain exposure to music to which they might not have otherwise listened, covering several albums at once. We have just been discussing on this list how so many TD albums 'grow on you', even when you didn't like them initially. Well, I'm a prime example of this, and here's a little personal story: My wife subscribed to BMG music club, and an irritating aspect of these clubs is that they send you 'selections of the month' automatically, and then YOU have to pay the postage to return it to not be charged for it. This is how I received 'Private Music of'. I gave it a chance, and I didn't like it. At the time, I was being a stick-in-the-mud about comparing the new style vs. old style TD, feeling vain and naive like so many fans that somehow the artist should be conforming to my expectations of them and sticking with the tried and true style to which I had become accustomed. Wanna guess what I'm listening to (and enjoying) right now? I could be wrong, but I don't think TD has ever called one of their compilation albums 'The Best of' or in any way implied that it would be possible to do such a thing. They are just compilations. Somebody else was asking everybody what would they want as their best 78 minutes of TD ever, and that would be an interesting compilation... I have never actually heard 'Tangents', but I guess this was remastered and some new tracks added in, and some fans object to this. Again, it seems that some fans feel as if it is 'their' music and it is being tampered with! Being also a Grateful Dead fan, I am used to hearing the same song played oh, about a zillion different ways, and liking them all. But I am kinda curious about what it was that Edgar (seemingly) didn't like about the guitar solo in Song of the Whale, such that he covered it up almost completely on the 'Book of Dreams' compilation, but I really just look at it as another version. 'Doctored'? Yes, but I still like it. So anyway, I have rambled enough. But this is a great topic to conduct our first official survey: What is the best TD compilation album? I can give 10 choices for a response (I know that's not enough- we're working on getting more choices allowed), and will incorporate the survey page into the new tadream site. You will receive a separate e-mail for this survey. -joe np: The Private Music of TD From: 'Thomas' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 7:54 am Subject: Re: Question to Tadream Interview, and/or open discussion about bootlegs vs best ofs Thanx for those words! I agree that there are way too many compilations out there with the old stuff on them. I can't help but feel that TD are trying to squeeze every single last penny out of the audience before the departure of Mr. Edgar Froese. (I know that I'll probably get slapped on the wrists for this one, but if anybody from TD headquarters are reading this, they have to be able to take a bit of negative critisizing too I think). 'The Dream Roots Collection' for example, throw a couple of new songs in there among the rest, add some new sounds and sell the old material once over. Of course, we don't have to buy it... Nobody forces us, but as true fans who wants an as broad a picture of the band as possible - what can we do but buy it??? Cheers, Thomas >From: 'anthony simeone' > >To the list moderators > i whole heartedly agree that bootlegs are illegal, and agree with your stand on the topic. i also agree with tadream fans supporting one another in obtaining copies of Tadream music that certain fans can not get a hold of by any other means. That is what fan clubs and lists should be about, along with other things, such as discussion, chat, information, news, etc. > But, if we (and Tadream) are so concerned about bootlegs, then why does Tadream (an so many other groups) continually flood the market with SO MANY 'BEST OFS'. To name a few cd titles: Dream Sequence (2 cd set), The Collection, Atlantic Bridges, Atlantic Walls, The Analogue Space Years, 2 versions of Dream mixes (one is a 1 cd album, the other is a 2 cd album with one cd the same as the one cd version - of which i have both), The private music of Tangerine Dream, Best of Pink Years, Best of Blue Years (and while they are at it, why not come out with a bunch of other colored years too), Book of Dreams, the Dream Roots Collection, and probably a few more that i didnt mention here. And we are all worried about bootlegging. Who is doing the bootlegging here, and capitalizing on it?? The fans?? Give me a break. I have 55 Tadream cds and i love them to death, but if another fan approaches me and asks me to make an album copy for them, i would be more than happy to. > Ask Tadream why they find it so necessary to keep putting the same songs out over and over again on these so called 'BEST OFs' and even 'The Best of the Best', and 'Better than the Best' and more of the Best, and so on.... > I think you get the point. ajs > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Are you hogging all the fun? >http://www.ONElist.com >Friends tell friends about ONElist! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com >Thank you. > From: 'anthony simeone' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 12:13 pm Subject: Joe Shoults. Too many best ofs Joe, sorry about ressurecting the bootleg issue. was just trying to tie everyone's concerns with bootlegging .. vs .. the fact that Tadream keeps pumping out the same songs on new releases, and making money off of loyal fans, who, want to have a complete collection of all of tadream music, thus, go out and buy every album they release. i still stand on my point about so many new albums with old songs, but I ALSO AGREE WITH YOU concerning remixes. i personally like remixes, as long as it truely is a remix, and not another re-release of the same old song. again, thanks for your reply and sorry for seeming like i was trying to ressurect a dead and decayed issue. wont happen again! >Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:39:12 PDT > From: 'anthony simeone' >Subject: Question to Tadream Interview, and/or open discussion about bootlegs vs best ofs > But, if we (and Tadream) are so concerned about bootlegs, then why does Tadream (an so many other groups) continually flood the market with SO MANY 'BEST OFS'. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From: XxphyIeX@a... Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 12:33 pm Subject: about that van... In a message dated 4/19/99 7:06:14 AM EDT, tadream@o... writes: << Am I in breach of copyright law or will it be offensive to the band ?. Any advice on the matter would be appreciated. >> ur not breaking any laws at all. here... ur not selling the van for its artistic merit.. and ur not passing it off as a copy of the album hoping to mislead someone to think that if they stick it in their cd player they will hear rubicon... so ur ok.. go to town but take a pic.. and send it to me. please.. thanks. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15813 Re: about that van... Joe Shoults Mon 4/19/1999 1 KB From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 1:37 pm Subject: Re: Gary numan ? >From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Far be it for me to question your memory but ... >The question was asked anybody into Gary numan Ive seen him several times >the last being the dominion in London several years ago.A few years before >that I had the privilege of playing a very lengthy and drunken game of pool >with Criss Cross who was then the keyboard player with Ultravox ( the >original line up with John Fox ) and I remember the discussion about whether >or not he was going to join this new band called Tubeway army We all laughed >and commented about what a stupid name for a group if I were you I wouldn't >bother. Chris Cross was the bass-player (and part-time keyboardist) with Ultravox! when John Foxx was lead singer (and when Midge Ure was too). Billie Currie was the keyboard player (and, indeed, still occassionally releases under the Ultravox name) and did indeed go on to join Gary for two or three releases, but well after the Tubeway Army time. Have you got Billie and Chris mixed up, or did Chris really consider joining Tubeway Army (which was a family affair originally)? >How wrong can you get as the band went from strength to strength. >Just goes to show how much I know about the music industry. Further comment pending answer to question above. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 1:39 pm Subject: Re: TD Soundtracks >From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >Copied from my book, here is a list of all the known soundtracks TD has >done. Those with a '*' have a soundtrack album available. What about the Oedipus (sp?) Tyrannus score they produced in 197? Does that count? -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: XxphyIeX@a... Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 12:46 pm Subject: ripping the fans off.... In a message dated 4/19/99 7:06:14 AM EDT, tadream@o... writes: << They release them because people buy them, >> no they do it to rip people off... there is no mention of the atlantic walls and bridges being best ofs.. on the outside of the cd packaging.. they know u cant open the cd in the store to find this out. i wasted $36 plus tax on these two cds thinking they were new products... i was pocket molested.. and im very very angry about it... if i want new material... i dont want to have to buy 3-5 or more cds in a box to get it... they know that most of their fans are compulsive collectors.. and want the new or different stuff... so even tho box sets are put out to make collecting easier.. for fans.. including previously unreleased music. is downright screwed up... and should not be done... if u want to make a best of box set fine.. but if u do that.. put the rare stuff or newly issued stuff out separately so the old fans who have a lot of stuff so far.. dont have to rebuy the same stuff they have... thats a rip off.. when most record companies do this.. its not the fault of the band.. and the band is kinda embarrassed about it.. trust me .. i know this.. i have yelled at many rock stars about this... and they agree... in fact i have had some bands give me copies of the cds or lps when this was the case cuz i made a stink about it... but thats rare.. and with td... they are in near complete control over what is put out and released to us fans... so if u see more and more best ofs.. some with that info not even on the outside.. u can bet that they did that on purpose to screw u out of money.. that u might not have to waste on such worthless product... the labels and bands should do what clapton did on his second box.. and many other bands have done too... that is.. put out a set of cds that have all new rare or live material on them... they clearly have a lot of stuff in the vaults.. . and instead they are reissuing the old songs that we have already on compilations... i cant name any other band that has as many compilations as td... no one even comes close... i didnt even mention the trick of using new or different covers for the same albums... i dont want to have to buy another copy of the albums i have already cuz they think they can trick me into it.. with a new cover... i almost didnt buy both bridges and walls cuz i didnt notice that they were different.. i thought it was the same album just two diff copies.. in the store... i went back only after the salesman told me that there were two.. and i said do u have that one ? and he said yes.. i went back and realized it was a diff album.. they were nearly identical.. i almost saved myself half of the money i threw away... how about i send back the two cds i got.. to td management and they send me two albums that i dont have? yeah right.. like that will happen... my luck they will send me two $11 ones for the two $18 ones i bought.... now adays u have to carry with u a list of what u have so u dont accidentally buy something u dont need.. hey scott.. i need u to make that book u wrote.. smaller. like maybe two little cards i can carry in my wallet.. with me whereever i go.. lol... additional note.. im looking forward to those extra pages.. as promised.. thanks again Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15819 Re: ripping the fans off.... Nick adams Mon 4/19/1999 1 KB 15822 Re: ripping the fans off.... Sean Montgomery Mon 4/19/1999 2 KB 15830 Re: ripping the fans off.... Steven Le Vine Mon 4/19/1999 1 KB 15858 Re: ripping the fans off.... Nick adams Tue 4/20/1999 2 KB 15889 Re: ripping the fans off.... Steven Le Vine Wed 4/21/1999 3 KB 15891 Re: ripping the fans off.... Joe Shoults Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 1:04 pm Subject: Re: about that van... > << Am I in breach of copyright law or will it be offensive to the band ?. > > Any advice on the matter would be appreciated. >> > > ur not breaking any laws at all. here... > ur not selling the van for its artistic merit.. and ur not passing it > off as a copy of the album hoping to mislead someone to think > that if they stick it in their cd player they will hear rubicon... > so ur ok.. go to town but take a pic.. and send it to me. please.. > thanks. Send me a pic, and I'll post it on the Member's Page of the website! -joe From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 1:23 pm Subject: Re: Copyright. >In my ever increasing struggle to spread the word I've decided to start >turning my van into a mobile TD advertising Hoarding by having some TD album >covers painted on the outside. You know, Carl, you may want to get that exhaust leak checked out. Scott From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 3:23 pm Subject: Re: New Survey > >To vote, please visit the following web page: > >http://www.onelist.com/surveycenter/tadream > Having just voted, I think this is one of the best reasons for having re-situated the tadream list (or created a new one). When I think of the time and effort that both Armin and I expended on maintaining the various surveys we've had in the past, this forum is great. For future reference, is there a means of marking 'scores' (e.g. on the scale 0 - 5) against a list of options or can you only select one item from a list? -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 2:48 pm Subject: Re: The Topic That Refused To Die (was: Question to Ta dream Interview, and/or open discussion about bootlegs vs best ofs) >I could be wrong, but I don't think TD has ever called one of their >compilation albums 'The Best of' or in any way implied that it would be >possible to do such a thing. They are just compilations. Somebody else was >asking everybody what would they want as their best 78 minutes of TD ever, >and that would be an interesting compilation... The Pink and Blue years comps were called 'The Best of...' and the Atlantic Walls & Bridges discs were described on the TDI site as 'best of' collections. But regardless, I have noe idea why they do this, unless they think that getting started in TD is such a daunting task (given the number of regular albums and ST's) that they thought comps would be better. I don't think people do buy them. I've been into TD since 1983, and I only have one comp. I got 'In the Beginning' as a gift, and only because it had Green Desert and was the only way to get it at the time. I've noticed that several of the comps have unique tracks on them (Private Music has Beaver shot, I mean Town, and Roaring of the Bliss) so I wonder if they don't do that on purpose: release unique tracks on the comps to get people to buy them for those tracks alone. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15818 Re: The Topic That Refused To Die (was: Question Joel Mullen Mon 4/19/1999 1 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 2:49 pm Subject: The best of Tangerine Dream Joe Shoults wrote: > > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > I could be wrong, but I don't think TD has ever called one of their > compilation albums 'The Best of' or in any way implied that it would be > possible to do such a thing. Actually there is a compilation called 'The best of Tangerine Dream', and this compilation together with 'Dream Sequence' were very useful to me in the 80's, they helped me to find out the TD albums and which ones I should buy (needless to say that I bought all of them :-)) So, if I could vote on 2 compilations, I would vote on 'The Best of Tangerine Dream' and 'Dream Sequence'. > I have never actually heard 'Tangents', but I guess this was remastered and > some new tracks added in, and some fans object to this. Again, it seems > that some fans feel as if it is 'their' music and it is being tampered with! Personally, I like 'Tangents' very much. In fact it is the only TD compilation that I still play regularly. Even considering that only 1 CD of this 5 CD set contains previously unreleased music, the versions of the released tracks are different enough to justify the purchase IMHO. Now I think I'm going to vote on this compilation! Antonio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15824 Re: The best of Tangerine Dream Joe Shoults Mon 4/19/1999 2 KB From: Joel Mullen Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 3:16 pm Subject: Re: The Topic That Refused To Die (was: Question to Ta dream Interview, and/or open discussion about bootlegs vs best ofs) On Monday, April 19, 1999 9:49 AM, Plumer, Scott [SMTP:Scott.Plumer@t...] wrote: > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > I wonder if they don't do that on > purpose: release unique tracks on the comps to get people to buy them for > those tracks alone. > > Scott Gee whizz Scott do you thing they would do that??? I am SURE that they change the cover art for that reason, but actually add new music to a compilation CD? Even They would not stoop that low!! ;-) Seriously I buy everything they release and even a few things they don't. So I don't even let these types of thoughts enter my head! Dream Regards, Joel From: 'Nick adams' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 3:27 pm Subject: Re: ripping the fans off.... >i cant name any other band that has as many compilations >as td... no one even comes close... Hawkwind........probably more in fact Home Nicad@C... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: 'Nick adams' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 3:55 pm Subject: Fw: Quinoa extended Hi Guys, Can someone answer me a question, What is the differance between Quinoa and Quinoa extended, i have always thought that Quinoa was the original fan club release and Quinoa extended was the new TDI release........i have just been looking at cd world and they have Quinoa listed as 1 VOXEL UX, 2 QUINOA, 3 LHASA it doesnt state any track timesand Quinoa extended listed as, 1 VOXEL UX 15:90 , 2 QUINOA 82:50 , 3 LHASA 94:90, the only difference i can see here is the track times, which are obviously wrong on Quinoa extended,so what is the real difference.? Sorry for the crossposting, for those on both lists. Regards Nick Home Nicad@C... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 2:51 pm Subject: Re: feedback & questions The new page looks amazing, and I love the 'novelty' of the sounds. It took a while to load on my machine, but then again I'm at work and we have to go through a very small firewall. I also wish you all the best on your endeavours to get an interview. The question I'd like to ask is : TD have rarely followed the same style or theme of music for long periods of time. At some points in the TD history, sounds and styles have changed with each album : at other times a particular feel has been around for a while. Did/does the band consciously decide to move to another sound/style, or does it just happen? -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 4:34 pm Subject: Re: ripping the fans off.... Perhaps the question of why TD has so many compilation albums can be put to Edgar in the forthcoming interview. But I have my own theories. First of all, I wouldn't put all of the blame on the band here...I think that record labels are the primary culprits, because 'best ofs' give them a way to make more money off of the music catalogue that they already own. Just look at how many times that the 'blue' and 'pink' years material has been repackaged as the rights to the music has changed hands. Plus, as mentioned, compilations might incite new listeners to try out the band and then go buy an album or two as a result. TD has released a lot of music over the years (duh!), and 'best ofs' give the uninitiated a place to start. And since TD hasn't had any 'hits' to speak of, a new fan won't be able to tell from the track listings whether it's a good collection or not. As for the TDI 'Atlantic' compilations, well in that case I *would* point a finger at the band, and I think they're putting them out it with the same motives that I just accused other record labels of. *But*...I don't blame them for doing so. I think they're just trying to get their record label off the ground. Obviously, the hardcore fans have all of this stuff and we'd like the rare and live material. That's coming. I think they wanted to get things going in a hurry. The newer material doesn't need sprucing up in the studio, so they could release it as is. The website makes it clear that these albums contained already-released material, so I didn't bother with them. Simple as that. Where I did have a problem was with how the Hollywood Years sets were presented, but that's another story! :-) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 4:41 pm Subject: Re: best ofs... j.gordon here... To wit... there is an album specifically titled 'The Best of Tangerine Dream'... it was released in 1989 by BMG (in conjunction with Jive) and contains, amoung others: Central Park Tyger (Original Version) Song of the Whales (Both parts) Le Parc Poland (Extract) Wahn Sunrise in the Third System Zeit (Extract) I bought it when I was in Montreal... not a bad compilation... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 4:52 pm Subject: Re: The best of Tangerine Dream > > I could be wrong, but I don't think TD has ever called one of their > > compilation albums 'The Best of' or in any way implied that it would be > > possible to do such a thing. > Actually there is a compilation called 'The best of Tangerine Dream', > and this compilation together with 'Dream Sequence' were very useful to > me in the 80's, they helped me to find out the TD albums and which ones > I should buy (needless to say that I bought all of them :-)) So, if I > could vote on 2 compilations, I would vote on 'The Best of Tangerine > Dream' and 'Dream Sequence'. I guess I WAS wrong! ;-) I was going off the complete collection page on TD's site, but don't have the newest ones in there yet. If somebody has a minute, please send me a list of all compilations,and I'll make a second survey to sort out the 'best of the best'. I'll trim off the fat form the two into one final survey, and we'll determine the final top 10 winners, which will remain public on the website. (All this because I can only get 10 responses in the survey function at a time)... oh- and I added the 'surveys' link to the test site. I might just go ahead and make that one the main site later today... -joe From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 8:59 pm Subject: To craig cordrey re chriss cross. Hi Craig thanks for the remarks . It was a long time ago but I can assure you it still sticks in my mind quite vividly and it was definitely chriss, because we were playing pool for drinks at the time, and it cost me a bloody fortune . Ive been looking around the house for the autograph he gave me which has a date on it as I recall, and that will give us an exact time sorry so far unsuccessfully will keep looking. Carl. From: 'Shadow' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 10:02 pm Subject: Tyger I've always enjoyed 'Book of Dreams' and I have to admit the songs from Tyger are very good. I don't actually have Tyger yet. I have seen it though and it will become a part of my collection soooon. So I have to say that maybe Tyger was a good choice for the Juke Box. Besides a wide range of TD over four weeks is better than One album. I think that different albums will attract a wider audience in the long run...... Have I just repeated myself............??? It has been a long day. ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15841 Re: Tyger Steven Le Vine Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 15845 Re: Tyger j.gordon Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 15880 Re: Tyger Shadow Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 15881 Re: Tyger Shadow Tue 4/20/1999 2 KB 16161 Tyger Carl & Jacqui Kearney Thu 4/29/1999 1 KB 16371 Tyger Carl & Jacqui Kearney Wed 5/12/1999 1 KB 16373 Re: Tyger Vic Rek Thu 5/13/1999 1 KB 16388 Re: Tyger Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Thu 5/13/1999 2 KB 16395 Re: Tyger Shadow Thu 5/13/1999 1 KB From: 'Shadow' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 10:07 pm Subject: Availability of Albums? I'm after a good ORIGINAL copy of 'Destination Berlin' My cassette version has recently died...... Any one any Ideas? Been to all the Music shops and they are a waste of time.... ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15840 Re: Availability of Albums? Steven Le Vine Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 15879 Re: Availability of Albums? Shadow Tue 4/20/1999 3 KB 15890 Re: Availability of Albums? Steven Le Vine Wed 4/21/1999 4 KB From: JMPoer Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 10:00 pm Subject: Suggestions for the Webpage Joel, I, for one, would like to see a link to a page that I found once, and can't find now, that was an excellent compilation of 'Boots and Rarities'. Now, before anyone starts in on me, I'm not suggesting that we buy or make boots, just that SOMEONE did a lot of work collecting names, and images, and other info on existing boots, and also other rare stuff and put it all together on a nice site. It's JUST INFORMATION. It's irrelevant whether or not someone wants to OWN boots....they MAY just be interested in the history, and the information that the stuff exists. It's similar to wanting to know about artworks that you KNOW you will never own...and maybe never even see for real. You still want to know about what's out there. It helps to understand the whole thing. Peace John Poer jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15831 Re: Suggestions for the Webpage Joe Shoults Mon 4/19/1999 4 KB 15834 Re: Suggestions for the Webpage Jeff Stevenson Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 15836 Re: Suggestions for the Webpage JMPoer Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 15878 Re: Suggestions for the Webpage Shadow Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 15885 Re: Suggestions for the Webpage Steven Le Vine Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 10:29 pm Subject: really ripping off? I don't think so (was RE: The best of Tangerine Dream) (going public with this thread) Well, about Hollywood Years 1 & 2, the website says 'contains previously unreleased music and leftovers from various movies', so that sounds like all new stuff, to me. Anyone out there recognize anything from Hollywood Years? This is all new stuff, right? In light of the recent grumblings about the release of excessive compilations, rip-offs, etc., I'm trying to get a grip on how much is new music vs. old that TD has been, and is planning on releasing. Looking at the TDI site, I see the following released since 1997, and planned, and correct me if I'm wrong about any of it. I'm operating under the premise that 'previously unreleased' is the same as 'previously unavailable', and therefore NEW to the public, whether it was performed in concert or studio years ago (ala Green Desert). 'Rare and unreleased' could mean a mix of both old and new, so for the sake of argument, call these cases half-and-half. Live albums are essentially remixes, but they are LIVE, so they are really in a class by themselves (I guess it would be pretty hard to release a live album of music that hadn't yet been performed, huh?). so we have: * Oasis - soundtrack- all NEW stuff * Tournado (Live 1997) - no new stuff * Quinoa - all NEW stuff * Ambient Monkeys - all NEW stuff * TimeSquare-Dream Mixes II - contains one REMIX and six completely NEW tracks * Transsiberia - soundtrack, all NEW stuff * Dream Encores - compilation of concert encores, with some NEW or previously unavailable stuff * Atlantic Bridges - compilation, no new stuff * Atlantic Walls - compilation, no new stuff * Hollywood Years 1 - all NEW stuff (previously unavailable) * Hollywood Years 2 - all NEW stuff (previously unavailable) * Valentine Wheels - live, no new stuff * Antique Dreams - 'rare and unreleased', planned 1999 * Lion's Share - 'next regular studio release', presumably NEW stuff, planned 1999 * Soundmill Navigator (Live 1976) - previously unavailable, planned 1999 * Sohoman - (Live 1982), previously unavailable, coming April 1999 (out yet?) * Star Trooper - NEW stuff, classical composers, planned 1999 * Twilight Folder - 'rare and unreleased', planned 1999 * What a blast! - soundtrack, mostly NEW stuff, coming April 1999 * Mars Polaris - soundtrack, all NEW stuff, coming June 1999 So, the tally is: 20 TOTAL albums since 1997. 11 are completely or almost all NEW stuff. 5 are LIVE, so the material is not new, but the arrangement/mix is 2 are 'rare and unreleased', so this sorta equals one new, and one compilation total 2 are outright compilations of previously released material Does this look right? If so, it doesn't look so much to me like a rip-off scheme; it looks like a pretty balanced release schedule. Could it be that there was some bad hype here? Just trying to figure it out... -joe > -----Original Message----- > No one knows, except for the song titles. They don't list the movies, but > apparently they're all unreleased. I guess it should be a soundtrack. > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > I don't know. What's on it? Maybe it is from some of their TV > stuff- like > the Memphis PD 'Cops'-type show and some of the other TV shows? > . > -joe > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Oh gosh, I really need to update, don't I? :-) I'll have to go > > through them > > all and get back to you. Should Hollywood years be considerd a > comp? Or a > > ST? > > > > Scott > > > > -----Original Message----- > > how about the new ones? which are comps? > > -joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15839 Re: really ripping off? I don't think so (was RE: Steven Le Vine Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 15843 Re: really ripping off? I don't think so (was RE: Gabe Yedid Tue 4/20/1999 4 KB 15850 Re: really ripping off? I don't think so (was RE: Joe Shoults Tue 4/20/1999 4 KB 15867 Re: really ripping off? I don't think so (was RE: Gabe Yedid Tue 4/20/1999 2 KB 15876 Re: really ripping off? I don't think so (was RE: Shadow Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 10:38 pm Subject: Re: ripping the fans off.... Can anyone tell me about 'Hawkwind' ? I've seen a lot of there stuff at the used CD stores. What are they like? siberkat >From: 'Nick adams' > > > >Hawkwind > From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 10:39 pm Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Webpage Thanks for the suggest. I'm not so interested in a list of fan-created recordings; this is stuff that can easily be on members' personal sites (how about yours?), but not on the tadream site. But I've seen stuff like what you are talking about, and know what you mean. However, I think a list of gigs and venues would be appropriate, and I am planning this, and other encyclopedic types of info for the site. At the same rate, I am sensitive to the fact that some put a lot of effort into their research to compile lists like this info, and are probably dreading the idea of losing revenues for their book(s) to the website. I mean, I could do the research myself, but it's already done. How do people feel about a password-protected, credit-card access area, with a small donation to the content contributors? Or ... got any ideas? I mean let's face it, if we took these compendia and basically published them on the web, somebody will lose money. Not that this info can really be copyrighted, and it really is inevitable. I just want to be fair and tactful about how it's done. To find that long lost page to which you are referring, I suggest you use search engines- you might be surprised at what you dig up! -joe > -----Original Message----- > From: JMPoer [mailto:jmpoer@i...] > Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 6:00 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Suggestions for the Webpage > > > From: JMPoer > > Joel, > > I, for one, would like to see a link to a page that I found once, > and can't > find now, that was an excellent compilation of 'Boots and Rarities'. > > Now, before anyone starts in on me, I'm not suggesting that we buy or make > boots, just that SOMEONE did a lot of work collecting names, and > images, and > other info on existing boots, and also other rare stuff and put > it all together > on a nice site. > > It's JUST INFORMATION. It's irrelevant whether or not someone wants to OWN > boots....they MAY just be interested in the history, and the > information that > the stuff exists. It's similar to wanting to know about artworks > that you KNOW > you will never own...and maybe never even see for real. You still > want to know > about what's out there. It helps to understand the whole thing. > > Peace > > > John Poer > > > jp > > 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Share the wealth! > http://www.ONElist.com > Tell a friend about ONElist's 115,000 free e-mail communities! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com Thank you. From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 10:47 pm Subject: destination Berlin Hello Shadow thought you'd left the planet. I'll have a look in my local second hand record shop for you tommorrow. Destination Berlin Haven't heard it ! (YET) See you on the dark side of the moon. Carl. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15844 Re: destination Berlin Edgar Froese Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 15846 Re: destination Berlin j.gordon Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB From: 'Ray Hallett' Date: Mon Apr 19, 1999 10:39 pm Subject: Hyperborea +2001 + barcode etc ?? - what does it mean? Hyerborea Can anyone tell me what the significance of the 2001 and the barcode is on Hyperborea album and does the barcode actually comprise of the numbers 2001?? I remember reading that TD would liked to have scored the soundtrack to Kubricks to 2001, presumabably there is a connection here? But why wait to put this on a album released in 1983? R Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15854 Re: Hyperborea +2001 + barcode etc ?? - what does Joe Shoults Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB From: Jeff Stevenson From: 'Joe Shoults' (RE: previous message)...I wouldn't classify Ambient Monkeys as new material. >could do the research myself, but it's already done. How do people feel >about a password-protected, credit-card access area, with a small donation You've GOT to be kidding. Jeff Stevenson jsteven@o... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: JMPoer From: 'Joe Shoults' > >Thanks for the suggest. I'm not so interested in a list of fan-created >recordings; this is stuff that can easily be on members' personal sites (how >about yours?), but not on the tadream site. I don't have a website....not that smart. It may be easy for some folks, but not me. > >To find that long lost page to which you are referring, I suggest you use >search engines- you might be surprised at what you dig up! > I did do a search and some interesting stuff turned up, but not the one I mentioned. It's probably long gone. John From: 'anthony simeone' From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 1:22 am Subject: Re: Hawkwind Thanks Carl, You are not insulting my I-teligence, but I know who Lemmy is, I may love TD, but I am a rocker at heart. Thanks for the info. By the way, how come no one has mentioned the musical stylings of Rick Wakeman or 'Yes'? 'Siberian Khatru'? 'Gates of Delirium'? (I am aware this is Patrick Moraz, for all the nit -pickers) Need I say more? siberkat >From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > >Hi Steven Carl here. > >If your not sure about buying any Hawkwind albums just make sure you get one >with the track Silver Machine , There are several versions of the track but >try and get one when Lemmy was still with the band (much better base line ) >By the way in case you didn't know Lemmy -Motorhead or am I insulting your >intelligence. > >Long live Rock and Roll - Carl. From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 1:35 am Subject: Re: really ripping off? I don't think so (was RE: The best of Tangerine Dream) Joe, I've listened to both CD's over & over & I swear some music on Vol. II sounds very familiar. You see I used to work in video stores in the 80's & I watched a lot of movies. My favorite track off II is 'Rose of Babylon'. If anyone knows anything definite about any of the tracks I'd love to know. siberkat >From: 'Joe Shoults' > >(going public with this thread) > >Well, about Hollywood Years 1 & 2, the website says 'contains previously >unreleased music and leftovers from various movies', so that sounds like all >new stuff, to me. > >Anyone out there recognize anything from Hollywood Years? This is all new >stuff, right? > From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 1:46 am Subject: Re: Availability of Albums? Hey Shadow, Thought you entered Vorlon space. As I have previously stated I got my copy at a used CD store. (Miracles do happen!) But gang, beleive it or not, if you are old fashion, some decent record shops will 'Special Order' some TD stuff. I know this, it;s been for me. There is TD stuff in those ordering books. Good Luck >From: 'Shadow' > >I'm after a good ORIGINAL copy of 'Destination Berlin' >My cassette version has recently died...... >Any one any Ideas? >Been to all the Music shops and they are a waste of time.... > From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 1:48 am Subject: Re: Tyger Careful Shadow, I hope J. Gordon does not see you saying that. siberkat >From: 'Shadow' I don't actually have Tyger yet. I have seen it though and it will become a part of my collection >soooon. From: 'Michael A. Jean' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 2:19 am Subject: Re: hollywood vol 2 > I've listened to both CD's over & over & I swear some music on Vol. II > sounds very familiar. I think a few appear on other TDI releases.... One track is from the movie RED HEAT with Linda Blair... > You see I used to work in video stores in > the 80's & > I watched a lot of movies. So did I... > > My favorite track off II is 'Rose of Babylon'. > Really? My copy of the song has several defects... As far as I know it isn't from a movie, but an upcoming album on TDI to be released under the vocalist's name but with TD doing the music... > If anyone knows anything definite about any of the tracks I'd > love to know. > > si Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15888 Re: hollywood vol 2 Steven Le Vine Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 3:12 am Subject: Re: really ripping off? I don't think so (was RE: The best of Tangerine Dream) On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Joe Shoults wrote: > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > (going public with this thread) > > > Anyone out there recognize anything from Hollywood Years? This is all new > stuff, right? 'Law Paradiso' is actually 'One Fine Day In Siberia', a track from Edgar's solo album/compilation _Beyond The Storm_. I don't have disc 2, but 'South Camora' is reportedly (a remix of?) 'Sign In The Dark' from the TDI _Keep_. > so we have: > * Oasis - soundtrack- all NEW stuff <-- sorta. Some of it was composed as far back as 1992. > * Tournado (Live 1997) - no new stuff > * Quinoa - all NEW stuff > * Ambient Monkeys - all NEW stuff Uh, no. There are at least 3 repeat tracks here, e.g. 'The 7th Propeller of Silence' = 'Astral Voyager' from _Green Desert_. TD has been using such a thing as 'environment music' for their concerts since the mid-'80s, though. > * TimeSquare-Dream Mixes II - contains one REMIX and six completely NEW > tracks Two remixes. 'Mobocaster' = 'Twilight Brigade', and the 'Towards The Evening Star' remix. > * Transsiberia - soundtrack, all NEW stuff 'The Goldern Horn' = remix of 'Turning Off The Wheel'. > * Dream Encores - compilation of concert encores, with some NEW or > previously unavailable stuff > * Atlantic Bridges - compilation, no new stuff > * Atlantic Walls - compilation, no new stuff > * Hollywood Years 1 - all NEW stuff (previously unavailable) > * Hollywood Years 2 - all NEW stuff (previously unavailable) see above, not all of it is completely new. > * Sohoman - (Live 1982), previously unavailable, coming April 1999 (out > yet?) 2 of the tracks are from _white Eagle_, one is from _Logos_, and one is a 'pre-mix' of the last section of 'Horizon'. There's only REALLY unreleased track. > * Mars Polaris - soundtrack, all NEW stuff, coming June 1999 It remains to be seen just how much of this new production is *completely NEW* stuff... > > Does this look right? If so, it doesn't look so much to me like a rip-off > scheme; it looks like a pretty balanced release schedule. Could it be that > there was some bad hype here? Just trying to figure it out... > > -joe > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > No one knows, except for the song titles. They don't list the movies, but > > apparently they're all unreleased. I guess it should be a soundtrack. > > > > Scott > > > > -----Original Message----- > > I don't know. What's on it? Maybe it is from some of their TV > > stuff- like > > the Memphis PD 'Cops'-type show and some of the other TV shows? > > . > > -joe > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Oh gosh, I really need to update, don't I? :-) I'll have to go > > > through them > > > all and get back to you. Should Hollywood years be considerd a > > comp? Or a > > > ST? > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > how about the new ones? which are comps? > > > -joe > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for the perfect gift for a friend? > http://www.ONElist.com > Tell them about ONElist's 115,000 free e-mail communities! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > Thank you. > From: EFroese@w... (Edgar Froese) Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 3:04 am Subject: Re: destination Berlin Try Amazon.Com I'm not sure if they still carry it or not, I didn't check, but I know they were selling it. not Edgar From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 4:38 am Subject: Re: Tyger > So I have to say that maybe Tyger was a good choice for the Juke Box. > Shadow j.gordon here... Maybe we should start a support group here... 'Hi, my name is Frank, and for the last ten years, I've been a Tyger fan...' This is cool, all this Tyger support... and that ain't no Lion...er, lyin' (electric or otherwise)... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 4:43 am Subject: Re: destination Berlin > > See you on the dark side of the moon. Carl. j.gordon here... There is no dark side of the moon, really. As a matter of fact, it's all dark... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'de Kruis, Hans SNV-MCF/9' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 7:10 am Subject: Re: really ripping off? I don't think so (was RE: The b est of Tangerine Dream) > From: 'Joe Shoults' > >So, the tally is: >20 TOTAL albums since 1997. >11 are completely or almost all NEW stuff. >5 are LIVE, so the material is not new, but the arrangement/mix is >2 are 'rare and unreleased', so this sorta equals one new, and one >compilation total >2 are outright compilations of previously released material >Does this look right? If so, it doesn't look so much to me like a >rip-off scheme; it looks like a pretty balanced release schedule. >Could it be that there was some bad hype here? Just trying to >figure it out... What is ripping off? Everyone can decide for him(or her)self if you want to buy everything or a part of it. Only the people with TD-glasses on their head (like myself) buy everything. But the best of albums are not that interesting to buy all, even for me. So, I leave them in the shelves and regard them critically(is that the correct expression?). F.i. the boxes are intersting. Besides this all, every fan of an other artist will be jalous of this production. Most artist are releasing one album a year, and then you must be happy. So, be happy about this production and buy what you want and leave the rest to others. greetings, hans > > -----Original Message----- > > No one knows, except for the song titles. They don't list the movies, > but > > apparently they're all unreleased. I guess it should be a soundtrack. > > > > Scott > > > > -----Original Message----- > > I don't know. What's on it? Maybe it is from some of their TV > > stuff- like > > the Memphis PD 'Cops'-type show and some of the other TV shows? > > . > > -joe > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Oh gosh, I really need to update, don't I? :-) I'll have to go > > > through them > > > all and get back to you. Should Hollywood years be considerd a > > comp? Or a > > > ST? > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > how about the new ones? which are comps? > > > -joe > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for the perfect gift for a friend? > http://www.ONElist.com > Tell them about ONElist's 115,000 free e-mail communities! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option > (instructions at > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and > appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the > tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > Thank you. > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 11:38 am Subject: Re: J Gordon Hypothosis. > Classical music. Most classical music in the UK is apparently purchased and > listened to by Women ? HMMM no lyrics there, but hey it's a bit like cars > they don't no much about them either. > > Catch ya latter . Carl. See you on the Dark side of the moon. j.gordon here... Okay, that's two of the listers who've pointed out the Classical music strain... one a little more tactful than the other... I agree on this point and point to my original hypothesis in which acoustic music is the other aspect of why EM doesn't appeal... so we have on this score, Carl, no relationship references and no (or hardly) any acoustic instrumentation... Ask around... Let's find some more holes in this theory... I think this is a really interesting thread... And on that score, for the other hole in the theory, put forth by Mr. 'What a crock...', nobody likes to hear about relationships when they're negative and derogatory... well, no-one that I've heard of... so then to round it out for the time being we have: 1) TD music isn't 'acoustic' 2) Doesn't deal in POSITIVE relationship themes Let me know what you think, negative or positive... ask the women in your life... a good hypothesis should worked on... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- |> >Hi Steven Carl here. |> > |> >If your not sure about buying any Hawkwind albums just make |> sure you get one |> >with the track Silver Machine , There are several versions of |> the track but |> >try and get one when Lemmy was still with the band (much better |> base line ) |> >By the way in case you didn't know Lemmy -Motorhead or am I |> insulting your |> >intelligence. |> > |> >Long live Rock and Roll - Carl. From: 'Joe Shoults' > Anyone out there recognize anything from Hollywood Years? |> This is all new |> > stuff, right? |> |> 'Law Paradiso' is actually 'One Fine Day In Siberia', a track from |> Edgar's solo album/compilation _Beyond The Storm_. I don't have disc 2, |> but 'South Camora' is reportedly (a remix of?) 'Sign In The Dark' from |> the TDI _Keep_. that's where i got the sound fo the opening of the tadream website i just listened to them both and you are right (South Camora= remix of Sign in the Dark) |> > so we have: |> > * Oasis - soundtrack- all NEW stuff <-- |> sorta. Some of it was composed as far back as 1992. |> > * Tournado (Live 1997) - no new stuff |> > * Quinoa - all NEW stuff |> > * Ambient Monkeys - all NEW stuff |> Uh, no. There are at least 3 repeat tracks here, e.g. 'The 7th |> Propeller of Silence' = 'Astral Voyager' from _Green Desert_. |> TD has been using such a thing as 'environment music' for |> their concerts since the mid-'80s, though. |> |> > * TimeSquare-Dream Mixes II - contains one REMIX and six completely NEW |> > tracks |> Two remixes. 'Mobocaster' = 'Twilight Brigade', and the 'Towards The |> Evening Star' remix. (I took that info from the TDI site) |> > * Transsiberia - soundtrack, all NEW stuff |> 'The Goldern Horn' = remix of 'Turning Off The Wheel'. |> |> > * Dream Encores - compilation of concert encores, with some NEW or |> > previously unavailable stuff |> > * Atlantic Bridges - compilation, no new stuff |> > * Atlantic Walls - compilation, no new stuff |> > * Hollywood Years 1 - all NEW stuff (previously unavailable) |> > * Hollywood Years 2 - all NEW stuff (previously unavailable) |> |> see above, not all of it is completely new. |> |> > * Sohoman - (Live 1982), previously unavailable, coming April 1999 (out |> > yet?) 2 of the tracks are from _white Eagle_, one is from _Logos_, |> and one is a 'pre-mix' of the last section of 'Horizon'. |> There's only REALLY unreleased track. |> |> > * Mars Polaris - soundtrack, all NEW stuff, coming June 1999 |> It remains to be seen just how much of this new production is |> *completely NEW* stuff... So how would you sum that up? this is what I originally tallied: 20 TOTAL albums since 1997. 11 are completely or almost all NEW stuff. 5 are LIVE, so the material is not new, but the arrangement/mix is 2 are 'rare and unreleased', so this sorta equals one new, and one compilation total 2 are outright compilations of previously released material thanks for the clarification, gabe! you counted 2 remixes on Hollywood Years 1&2, 3 repeats from Ambient Monkeys, TimeSquare has 2 remixes, Transsiberia has 1 remix, for a total of 6 remix tracks on 5 albums unaccounted for on the above tally. so chalk up the total to include one more album's worth of remixes/comps? -joe np: the keep From: 'anthony simeone' From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 12:47 pm Subject: Re: J Gordon Hypothosis. My wife recognizes TD when she hears it (how could she NOT by now!), but I don't think she has ever picked up one of my disks/tapes to listen to it...unless she won't admit it to me (ha! maybe she sneaks and listens to TD while I'm at work! ;-)) She surprised me when I rented the Miracle Mile video and she said, amidst commentary about the poor script, '...but the soundtrack is really good, though- it sounds like Tangerine Dream'. As for the relationships thing, I think there is some credence to this, but the overall reason EM is not as well accepted is a more complex issue. Personally, and I cannot point you to the scientific documentation to back this up, I think the relationship thing is just a behavioral manifestation of the fact that men & women simply have different brain 'circuitry'. (Bear with me on this for a moment; I'm not being misogynistic) We simply process ideas differently, for the most part, and for women, the auditory, speech, and emotion/pleasure centers of the brain happen to be a little closer together. The 'Men are From Mars, Women from Venus' thoeries corroborate this. Womens' speech centers are more strongly linked to their emotional centers, resulting in more of the need to discuss their emotions, for example, and men are more reticent. The same principle applies to their musical selection tendencies, and this supports the theory about women & relationship-oriented lyrical music. Much recent brain research supports the basis of this idea. Classical music has completely different factors that apply to it, including social factors. Take for example, opera. There are people out there that convince themselves that they like opera so they learn to like it, even if they don't a first, because it makes them feel more intellectual (12-tone applies here, too?). This has nothing to do with the female/EM issue, but simply serves as an example of an entrenched social factor. Also, there is the fact that classical music is older and has survived as a musical form, has more variety, and therefore more generally accepted. But there are still gender lines here, as well. I would hazard a guess that women would rather listen to a Mozart or Debussy piano piece than a Bach organ piece. Of course, lyrics don't apply here, so it has to more with compositional elements. gotta run, -joe |> > Classical music. Most classical music in the UK is apparently |> purchased and |> > listened to by Women ? HMMM no lyrics there, but hey it's a |> bit like cars |> > they don't no much about them either. ... |> Okay, that's two of the listers who've pointed out the Classical music |> strain... one a little more tactful than the other... ... |> Ask around... Let's find some more holes in this theory... I |> think this is a |> really interesting thread... ... |> Let me know what you think, negative or positive... ask the women in your |> life... a good hypothesis should worked on... |> |> j.gordon |> From: 'Heiko Heer�en' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 1:20 pm Subject: Gorilla costumes Hi Tadreamers, just purchased 'Sohoman' and saw this pic inside the booklet where our beloved heroes are holding gorilla costumes in their hands. Rumour has it that they played an encore (maybe on that Melbourne gig ?!) fully dressed as gorillas. Is this true? Is there someone on this list who actually attended that concert? Heiko n.p.: You drive me ape (Dickies) .... ehhm, no: Manchester Free Trade Hall, 1976 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15863 Re: Gorilla costumes Plumer, Scott Tue 4/20/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 3:55 pm Subject: Re: Hyperborea +2001 + barcode etc ?? - what does it mean? sounds like an interview question; I'll add it tot he list -joe From: 'Ray Hallett' > Hyerborea > Can anyone tell me what the significance of the 2001 and the barcode is on > Hyperborea album and does the barcode actually comprise of the numbers > 2001?? > I remember reading that TD would liked to have scored the soundtrack to > Kubricks to 2001, presumabably there is a connection here? > > But why wait to put this on a album released in 1983? > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 1:40 pm Subject: Re: Greetings > > Now, do you have an opynyon? > > siberkat j.gordon here... It looks like you're asking for an onion... of which I have many... I bow and scrape in contriteness to having caused misverstandnis... I was merely pointing out the most obvious choice... ;) The fact that you already own it shows your TD prowess... the fact that I missed your previous statement shows my lack... ;) Tyger was also my first comp CD... to the halls of fame with you... j.gordon.. === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15886 Re: Greetings Steven Le Vine Wed 4/21/1999 3 KB 17671 Greetings Synthhtnys@a... Sat 9/11/1999 1 KB 17672 Re: Greetings Nick adams Sat 9/11/1999 1 KB 17678 Re: Greetings joe shoults Sun 9/12/1999 3 KB 17679 Re: Greetings joe shoults Sun 9/12/1999 4 KB 17690 Re: Greetings craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx Mon 9/13/1999 2 KB 17691 Re: Greetings Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx Mon 9/13/1999 1 KB 17698 Re: Greetings Marcel Engels Mon 9/13/1999 1 KB 24153 Re: Greetings Feldon Feldon Fri 9/29/2000 6 KB From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 1:41 pm Subject: Re: Hawkwind >By the way, how come no one has mentioned the musical stylings of Rick >Wakeman or 'Yes'? Perhaps because this is tadream, not ta-yes? Scott From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 2:50 pm Subject: Re: J Gordon Hypothosis. As the first step in trying to define why a group does _not_like something, shouldn't we be trying to define why another group _does_ like something? Thus, what is it specifically that we like about TD / e-music / instrumental music (or whatever type it is we prefer)? If we are honest with ourselves and don't try to overload our reasoning with hyperbole, we may learn why others do not like this type of music. I offer the following personal reason for your consideration : 1) I listen to a lot of music at work. Instrumental music acts as good background music which does not interfere with my thought processes (okay, a bit of hyperbole there, but you know what I mean). As a software designer / engineer, I have to _think_ a lot - more so than, say, a factory worker performing a repetitive conveyor-belt job. Vocals would distract me and, possibly, others around me if I suddenly burst into 'song' (those who have heard me sing know why this is not a good thing!). 2) I also listen to music at home (although there I have to be a little more considerate toward my family). I often listen to vocal music or some 'light' e-music when my family is around. I pay little attention to this because there will always be something going on - playing with my son, talking with my wife, reading the paper, etc. When I am alone at home (or after they've gone to bed), I often listen to more 'difficult' (in their opinion) e-music either as background to whatever I'm doing (playing the Playstation, normally) or just listening to it. I cannot simply sit and listen to a vocal piece of music, only certain strains of e-music. 3) As background music, instrumental music (and, in particular, pre-Optical Race TD) is great for letting you 'dip into' the music every now again - a couple of minutes of more detailed listening as you wait for that compilation to finish or that document to save. I find this very enlightning as I often spot things I had previously missed. Of course, this is scaled up when you simply sit/lie and listen to an album with complete concentration. 4) I love the variety in e-music. Point me at someone from the rock genre and, without having heard them before, I know the format will almost certainly be verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus, repeat to fade. Most other genre's have an overwhelming style that each artist adhere's to. The main exceptions to this are e-music and prog-rock, where there seems to be little or no 'rules' for practitioners. I think that's why there are so many sub-genres within these areas of music as we strive to categorise what is, in effect, a freestyle medium. Anyone else have thoughts along this line? -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Nick adams' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 3:50 pm Subject: Re: ripping the fans off.... >From: 'Steven Le Vine' > >Can anyone tell me about 'Hawkwind' ? I've seen a lot of there stuff at >the used CD stores. What are they like? > >siberkat > Hawkwind produce basically, space rock, someone said, Carl i think, to try anything during the lemmy years, which is basically 70 -75, i would agree with this to a point, even though they have produced some great music after then, right up to present day, maybe if your not familiar with hawkwind then you should give the charisma years a miss, two of my favourites are.. In Search Of Space and Space Ritual both from the lemmy years, after the charisma years try the business trip live, electric tepee, church of, and levitation which features the great Tim Blake, i collect all official hawkwind and have been listening to there music for about 26 years now........they are in the same camp music wise as Eloy, magnum, and Ozric Tentacles but with lyrics whereas the Ozrics are instrumental........hope this helps a little. Regards Nick Home Nicad@C... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 4:03 pm Subject: To J Gordon.re hypoth. Hi J. Carl here, I've done a bit more research with the wife and her friends and one thing seems to come to the fore about TD music in general. After playing several tracks to the girls last night ( various albums) there seemed to be one theme ,they all liked ( and these are their words) the quiet Twinkie bits the mellow tracks but said they hated the thumping stuff.I think this adds a bit more weight to the theory. Personally I love the thumping stuff. Beware those big city dwarves they eat tygers CARL. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15866 Re: To J Gordon.re hypoth. j.gordon Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 1:47 pm Subject: Re: introduction > Does anyne have an opinion on this album? I don't own it. > > siberkat > >>2)WHAT IS THIS 'TRANSIBERIA'ALBUM (SOUNDTRACK, OR?)? j.gordon here... I commute about 5 hours a day and am plugged into my CD player most of the time... for the last month or so TRANSIBERIA is all that's sat in there... it's a really good album... strong... it grows stronger with each listening... really a nice blend of the more modern drum track driven and mellower, less 'filled' tunes... plus a basic re-release of Turning Off the Wheel from Optical Race... nice blend... besides Quinoa, my favorite album of late... Get it... Ciao... j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 4:55 pm Subject: Women and TD I have my own theory about the gender gap in TD fanship. And I think it *does* have more to do with social factors than the music itself. It takes in the larger issues of why some music is popular and other music is ignored; and what people use music for. First off, I believe that music - like most artforms - is inherently a social thing. You may enjoy it as an individual, but it can remind you that someone else sees the world the same way you do; has experienced the same emotions as you. This is why vocal music will always be more popular than instrumental music; it communicates directly instead of evoking things. Most people prefer getting their entertainments directly. But music can communicate in many ways, and that includes the way it presents itself. What an artist looks like - and what their audience looks like - will affect how new listeners will think about them. When I think 'Garth Brooks', I think of folks wearing cowboy hats, shouting 'yee haw', and line dancing. That might not be an appropriate picture, but it prevents me from enjoying whatever musicanship that Mr. Brooks may have. Furthemore, I believe that people use music as a badge to identify what social 'tribe' that they're in. Many lesbians flocked to k.d. lang and Melissa Etheridge's sides when they 'came out', and I daresay it was not because of the music, but because they had found an artist that they wanted to identify with. Telling the world what music you listen to reveals much about you. I don't think women's general lack of acceptance for electronic music has to do with 'brain wiring'. I think it has to do with what men and women are conditioned to appreciate and told how to behave. The associations that music cloaks itself in will determine how it is received by each gender. This is, in my opinion, why Yanni and John Tesh have found success with women whereas TD has not. Those guys have given their music an association with something that women are encouraged by society to swoon for...namely, romance. They present themselves as the soundtrack artists to your love fantasy. And TD? They're just a couple of unsexy Teutons standing behind computers. I think the addition of Linda Spa let them play the girl power card for a couple of years, but she never played a meaningful role in the band. When most women hear TD, I suspect they just think of geeky men, Star Trek, and machinery, things which they aren't encouraged to appreciate. Men, on the other hand, are expected to be good with machinery and tool-use in general. Only when the music can be associated with 'women-positive' attributes does it find acceptance beyond its core male audience. As evidence to support my theory, I look at the TD music that women I know *do* like. First of all, 'Love on a Real Train', from Risky Business. Reason: it's associated with Tom Cruise and Rebecca De Mornay having sex on a subway, and sexual fantasy in general. The Legend Soundtrack...reason: the romance angle again; undying love, knights on horseback, fairytales. Dream Mixes...reason: it's danceable, and is evocative of clubs, which women are just as home in as men are. The women I know who tolerate TD usually do so because they're individualists, who feel able to look beyond societally-imposed stereotypes. Or maybe they just like geeks. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15865 Re: Women and TD Joe Shoults Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 15868 Re: Women and TD j.gordon Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 15873 Re: Women and TD j.gordon Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB From: Stephen Yensen Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 12:04 pm Subject: Re: Rick Wakeman (was Re: Hawkwind) siberkat sez: << By the way, how come no one has mentioned the musical stylings of Rick Wakeman or 'Yes'? 'Siberian Khatru'? 'Gates of Delirium'? (I am aware this is Patrick Moraz, for all the nit-pickers) Need I say more? > I think Rick's solo track on the Yessongs album is one of the best ever tracks I've ever heard, unless you know better. Flame away ... BTW, Rick's latest magnum opus, 'Return to the Centre of the Earth', is supposed to be out TODAY in the US. Anyone know if it happened? Is E-Man on this list? It's been out for 5 weeks in the UK already and it's BRILLIANT. (Ob TD) Concerning the great TYGER debate, it's the only TD that my dear wife will listen to ... Okay. I'l go back to lurking. It's safer. Cheers, Steve. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15870 Re: Rick Wakeman (was Re: Hawkwind) j.gordon Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB 16019 Re: Rick Wakeman (was Re: Hawkwind) Steven Le Vine Fri 4/23/1999 2 KB From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 1:52 pm Subject: Re: Gorilla costumes Actually it was Aachen 1/21/81 that they dressed in those costumes. They put them on for the encore. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Heiko Heer�en [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 9:20 AM To: tadream@o... Subject: [tadream] Gorilla costumes From: 'Heiko Heer�en' Hi Tadreamers, just purchased 'Sohoman' and saw this pic inside the booklet where our beloved heroes are holding gorilla costumes in their hands. Rumour has it that they played an encore (maybe on that Melbourne gig ?!) fully dressed as gorillas. Is this true? Is there someone on this list who actually attended that concert? Heiko n.p.: You drive me ape (Dickies) .... ehhm, no: Manchester Free Trade Hall, 1976 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Show mom you love her. Check out our great Mother's Day Gifts! 14K Gold and gemstone jewelry, leather and cloth wallets and purses, gardening, gourmet, kitchen, more! Free Shipping in the US! http://www.onelist.com/ad/shoptheglobe5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com Thank you. From: Marcelo Gutierrez Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 1:31 pm Subject: Re: really ripping off? I don't think so (was RE: The bestof Tangerine Dream) > > 'Law Paradiso' is actually 'One Fine Day In Siberia', a track from > Edgar's solo album/compilation _Beyond The Storm_. I don't have disc 2, > but 'South Camora' is reportedly (a remix of?) 'Sign In The Dark' from > the TDI _Keep_. South Camorra is also a re-recording (or re-mix) of 'Walkabout', a track that appears in E. Froese's 'Pinnacles' CD. Marcelo From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 5:31 pm Subject: Re: Women and TD > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@m...] > Subject: [tadream] Women and TD > ... And TD? They're just a couple of unsexy > Teutons standing behind computers. ... LOL! I think I may stand corrected about the wiring thing. Excellent treatise. -joe From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 5:47 pm Subject: Re: To J Gordon.re hypoth. > Beware those big city dwarves they eat tygers CARL. j.gordon here... Nonononono... its: Lions (electric) and Tygers and Geckos... OH MY! j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Gabe Yedid Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 5:54 pm Subject: Re: really ripping off? I don't think so (was RE: The best of Tangerine Dream) On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Joe Shoults wrote: > From: 'Joe Shoults' > |> 'Law Paradiso' is actually 'One Fine Day In Siberia', a track from > |> Edgar's solo album/compilation _Beyond The Storm_. I don't have disc 2, > |> but 'South Camora' is reportedly (a remix of?) 'Sign In The Dark' from > |> the TDI _Keep_. I should have pointed out that 'Law Paradiso' isn't a remix, it's the *same track*. Same goes for 'City Monk' from vol. 2, which is 'Ulan-Ude' from _Transsiberia_; only difference being that the HY version fades out, whereas the TS version comes to a proper conclusion. And, oh yeah, there's one more crossover on recent albums: 'Token from Birdland' is on both _Ambient Monkeys_ and _Hollywood Years vol. 2_. > |> > so we have: > |> > * Oasis - soundtrack- all NEW stuff <-- > |> sorta. Some of it was composed as far back as 1992. It might have been worth mentioning that 'Waterborne' was the show opener on the 1992 tour...still unreleased until _Oasis_, though. > |> > * Sohoman - (Live 1982), previously unavailable, coming April 1999 (out > |> > yet?) 2 of the tracks are from _white Eagle_, one is from _Logos_, > |> and one is a 'pre-mix' of the last section of 'Horizon'. > |> There's only 1 REALLY unreleased track. (I omitted an actual number...my bad.) > -joe Gabe From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 6:10 pm Subject: Re: Women and TD > > LOL! > > I think I may stand corrected about the wiring thing. Excellent treatise. > > -joe > j.gordon here... Isn't it though... it's great to have these things going on on the list, I think... gets you to thinkin'... deepens the understanding of oneself and the appreciation for the music and the people who listen to it and, most importantly, those who make it... Great stuff! j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 4:21 pm Subject: Re: J Gordon Hypothosis. >From: 'Joe Shoults' > >As for the relationships thing, I think there is some credence to this, but >the overall reason EM is not as well accepted is a more complex issue. >Personally, and I cannot point you to the scientific documentation to back >this up, I think the relationship thing is just a behavioral manifestation >of the fact that men & women simply have different brain 'circuitry'. (Bear >with me on this for a moment; I'm not being misogynistic) We simply process >ideas differently, for the most part, and for women, the auditory, speech, >and emotion/pleasure centers of the brain happen to be a little closer >together. The 'Men are From Mars, Women from Venus' thoeries corroborate >this. Womens' speech centers are more strongly linked to their emotional >centers, resulting in more of the need to discuss their emotions, for >example, and men are more reticent. The same principle applies to their >musical selection tendencies, and this supports the theory about women & >relationship-oriented lyrical music. Much recent brain research supports >the basis of this idea. > Agreed. there is quite a bit of research which shows the 'right-brained' and 'left-brained' aspects of men and women, where one side of the brain (can't remember which) relates more to logic and order and the other side relates more to creativity and feelings. Women tend to the creative/emotional side whilst men tend toward the logic/order side. Whilst I could perhaps see the technology aspects of e-music appealig to men (via the logic/order aspect), I don't see why women don't view this type of music as creative. Arguably, e-music is more creative than 'normal' music because it is not just the order of notes which is being defined but also the texture and fabric of those 'notes' (i.e. noises) themselves. All very thought-provoking, but does it really matter? (Other than wanting to ogle more at TD concerts now Linda's gone!) Remind me, there are _no_ females on this list? -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 6:41 pm Subject: Re: Rick Wakeman (was Re: Hawkwind) >(Ob TD) >Concerning the great TYGER debate, it's the only TD that my dear wife will >listen to ... j.gordon here... wow, like a blow for freedom... ;-) >Okay. I'l go back to lurking. It's safer. True, but not nearly as much fun dodging the pot-shots and taking your own... ;) j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 6:44 pm Subject: Re: J Gordon Hypothosis. > As the first step in trying to define why a group does _not_like something, > shouldn't we be trying to define why another group _does_ like something? j.gordon here... Fabulous... very nice... Let's keep the brains a rollin' (Roll dem Bones)... j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Tue Apr 20, 1999 7:03 pm Subject: Merchandise. Good evening people or good morning depending where you are. Can anyone give me any information as to where I can get hold of some TD merchandise i:e T shirts, Sweat shirts etc. Any info greatfully received. Carl. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15874 Re: Merchandise. Plumer, Scott Tue 4/20/1999 1 KB From: 'j.gordon' From: Sean Montgomery > > I have my own theory about the gender gap in TD fanship. j.gordon here... I think all this response is wonderful... and I haven't seen anything that is directly contradicts anything else - just different facets of an at-best ambiguous subject... and though we may not get the definitive answer (42...) we will come closer to a common view... I love this... Thanks for your repsonses... any others? j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Plumer, Scott' Can anyone give me any information as to where I can get hold of some TD >merchandise i:e T shirts, Sweat shirts etc. They don't offer any official merchandise, except the t-shirt that went with Valentine Wheels (was it VW?) a few months ago. Your only other hope is to wait for a tour, or buy stuff from someone who already has some. I was lucky to find a TD button many years ago at a record store. I still have it, and won't sell it. Scott From: Daventura From: 'Shadow' From: 'Shadow' To: TD EMAIL Sent: 19 April 1999 23:47 Subject: [tadream] destination Berlin > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Hello Shadow thought you'd left the planet. > > I'll have a look in my local second hand record shop for you tommorrow. > Destination Berlin Haven't heard it ! (YET) > > See you on the dark side of the moon. Carl. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and > select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > Thank you. > From: 'Shadow' To: Sent: 20 April 1999 02:01 Subject: [tadream] Re: Suggestions for the Webpage > From: Jeff Stevenson > > > (RE: previous message)...I wouldn't classify Ambient Monkeys as new material. > From: 'Shadow' To: Sent: 20 April 1999 02:46 Subject: [tadream] Re: Availability of Albums? > From: 'Steven Le Vine' > > Hey Shadow, > Thought you entered Vorlon space. > > As I have previously stated I got my copy at a used CD store. (Miracles do > happen!) But gang, beleive it or not, if you are old fashion, some decent > record shops will 'Special Order' some TD stuff. I know this, it;s been for > me. There is TD stuff in those ordering books. > > Good Luck > >From: 'Shadow' > > > >I'm after a good ORIGINAL copy of 'Destination Berlin' > >My cassette version has recently died...... > >Any one any Ideas? > >Been to all the Music shops and they are a waste of time.... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tired of empty chat rooms and out of date bulletin boards? > http://www.ONElist.com > ONElist: Making the Internet Intimate > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com > Thank you. > From: 'Shadow' To: Sent: 20 April 1999 02:48 Subject: [tadream] Re: Tyger > From: 'Steven Le Vine' > > Careful Shadow, > > I hope J. Gordon does not see you saying that. > > siberkat > > > >From: 'Shadow' > > I don't actually have Tyger yet. I have seen it though and it will become a > part of my collection > >soooon. > From: 'Shadow' To: Sent: 20 April 1999 05:38 Subject: [tadream] Re: Tyger > From: 'j.gordon' > > > So I have to say that maybe Tyger was a good choice for the Juke Box. > > > Shadow > > j.gordon here... > > Maybe we should start a support group here... 'Hi, my name is Frank, and for > the last ten years, I've been a Tyger fan...' > > This is cool, all this Tyger support... and that ain't no Lion...er, lyin' > (electric or otherwise)... > > j.gordon From: 'Shadow' To: Sent: 20 April 1999 12:38 Subject: [tadream] Re: J Gordon Hypothosis. > From: 'j.gordon' > > > > Classical music. Most classical music in the UK is apparently purchased and > > listened to by Women ? HMMM no lyrics there, but hey it's a bit like cars > > they don't no much about them either. > > > > Catch ya latter . Carl. See you on the Dark side of the moon. > > j.gordon here... > > Okay, that's two of the listers who've pointed out the Classical music > strain... one a little more tactful than the other... > > I agree on this point and point to my original hypothesis in which acoustic > music is the other aspect of why EM doesn't appeal... so we have on this score, > Carl, no relationship references and no (or hardly) any acoustic > instrumentation... > > Ask around... Let's find some more holes in this theory... I think this is a > really interesting thread... > > And on that score, for the other hole in the theory, put forth by Mr. 'What a > crock...', nobody likes to hear about relationships when they're negative and > derogatory... well, no-one that I've heard of... so then to round it out for > the time being we have: > > 1) TD music isn't 'acoustic' > 2) Doesn't deal in POSITIVE relationship themes > > Let me know what you think, negative or positive... ask the women in your > life... a good hypothesis should worked on... > > j.gordon > > === > *************************************************** > Brought to you by: > PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. > > j.gordon > =:^1> > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Show mom you love her. 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' >Delenne, Severed Dreams... > From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'j.gordon' >To: tadream@o... >Subject: [tadream] Re: Greetings >Date: Tue, Apr 20, 1999, 9:40 AM > >From: 'j.gordon' > >> >> Now, do you have an opynyon? >> >> siberkat > >j.gordon here... > >It looks like you're asking for an onion... of which I have many... > >I bow and scrape in contriteness to having caused misverstandnis... I was >merely pointing out the most obvious choice... ;) > >The fact that you already own it shows your TD prowess... the fact that I >missed your previous statement shows my lack... ;) > >Tyger was also my first comp CD... > >to the halls of fame with you... > >j.gordon.. > >=== >*************************************************** >Brought to you by: >PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. > >j.gordon >=:^1> >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Show mom you love her. Check out our great Mother's Day Gifts! >14K Gold and gemstone jewelry, leather and cloth wallets and purses, >gardening, gourmet, kitchen, more! 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Visit the >tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com >Thank you. > From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'anthony simeone' >To: tadream@o... >Subject: [tadream] reply to siberkat concerning rick wakeman & yes >Date: Tue, Apr 20, 1999, 8:39 AM > >From: 'anthony simeone' > > >hey dude. > i love Rick Wakeman and Yes. love Jon Anderson also. > i dont have too many wakeman albums, but 2 of my all time favorite >albums is 'myth and legends of king arthur' and 'soft sword: king john and >the magna carta'. another good album by jon anderson is 'olias of >sunhillow', a very spaced out and dreamy fantasy album. has some good >synthesiser on it. wakeman is good with keyboards. >have a bunch of Yes albums too. went to see Yes live in concert last >year. ajs > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. 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As far as I know it >isn't from a movie, but an upcoming album on TDI to be released under the >vocalist's name but with TD doing the music... > From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Nick adams' >To: >Subject: [tadream] Re: ripping the fans off.... >Date: Tue, Apr 20, 1999, 11:50 AM > >From: 'Nick adams' > >>From: 'Steven Le Vine' >> >>Can anyone tell me about 'Hawkwind' ? I've seen a lot of there stuff at >>the used CD stores. What are they like? >> >>siberkat >> > > >Hawkwind produce basically, space rock, someone said, Carl i think, to try >anything during the lemmy years, which is basically 70 -75, i would agree >with this to a point, even though they have produced some great music after >then, right up to present day, maybe if your not familiar with hawkwind then >you should give the charisma years a miss, two of my favourites are.. In >Search Of Space and Space Ritual both from the lemmy years, after the >charisma years try the business trip live, electric tepee, church of, and >levitation which features the great Tim Blake, i collect all official >hawkwind and have been listening to there music for about 26 years >now........they are in the same camp music wise as Eloy, magnum, and Ozric >Tentacles but with lyrics whereas the Ozrics are instrumental........hope >this helps a little. > > > Regards > Nick > > >Home Nicad@C... >Work Nick.Adams@p... > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Show mom you love her. Check out our great Mother's Day Gifts! >14K Gold and gemstone jewelry, leather and cloth wallets and purses, >gardening, gourmet, kitchen, more! 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Visit the >tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com >Thank you. > From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Shadow' >To: >Subject: [tadream] Re: Availability of Albums? >Date: Tue, Apr 20, 1999, 6:31 PM > >From: 'Shadow' > >Cheers Steven >Unfortunately I have had a problem with the Vorlons....... >Only joking.. >Believe or not I have tried five different Music Shops using the afore >mentioned method >of getting them to order it and everytime it came up blank. >My one TD album not on CD......... >Thanx to everyone though for looking for a copy. >Got to admit though it does sound good speeding up and slowing down all the >time :-( > >' If you value your lives be some were else. ' >Delenne, Severed Dreams... > >Shadow >----- Original Message ----- >From: Steven Le Vine >To: >Sent: 20 April 1999 02:46 >Subject: [tadream] Re: Availability of Albums? > > >> From: 'Steven Le Vine' >> >> Hey Shadow, > >> Thought you entered Vorlon space. >> >> As I have previously stated I got my copy at a used CD store. (Miracles >do >> happen!) But gang, beleive it or not, if you are old fashion, some decent >> record shops will 'Special Order' some TD stuff. I know this, it;s been >for >> me. There is TD stuff in those ordering books. >> >> Good Luck >> >From: 'Shadow' >> > >> >I'm after a good ORIGINAL copy of 'Destination Berlin' >> >My cassette version has recently died...... >> >Any one any Ideas? >> >Been to all the Music shops and they are a waste of time.... >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Tired of empty chat rooms and out of date bulletin boards? >> http://www.ONElist.com >> ONElist: Making the Internet Intimate >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option >(instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), >and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the >tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com >> Thank you. >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >You can now easily share photos and documents with your fellow list members >http://www.ONElist.com >Check out our homepage for details on how to use our new shared files feature! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML option >(instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), >and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the >tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com >Thank you. > From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- |> From: Steven Le Vine [mailto:siberkat@b...] |> I think I am ready to start hunting 'Hawkwind' |> >>Can anyone tell me about 'Hawkwind' ? I've seen a lot of |> there stuff at |> >>the used CD stores. What are they like? |> >> |> >>siberkat |> >> |> >Hawkwind produce basically, space rock, someone said, Carl i From: 'teiwaz _' >What is ripping off? Everyone can decide for him(or her)self if you want to buy everything or a part of it. [snip] But the best of albums are not that interesting to buy all, even for me. So, I leave them in the shelves and regard them critically(is that the correct expression?). F.i. the boxes are intersting.< Of course, you can always wait for the best of discs to end up in the used bins of yer favorite reocrd store and then buy them. Is this illegal? Reselling previously sold material? what about cutouts? What about offering to trade one original TD release for another? For example, if I wanted to trade my blue covered Jive-Electro Tyger CD for the black covered Relativity one--is that legal or illegal? Not that I'm actually offering mine. And does this constitute a banned thread on this discussion list? Joe? np CHIP 47 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15902 Re: Subject: Re: really ripping off? I don't thin Joe Shoults Wed 4/21/1999 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' All very thought-provoking, but does it really matter? (Other than wanting to > ogle more at TD concerts now Linda's gone!) j.gordon here... I would argue yes, simply from the fact that a deeper assesment of even periferal issues broadens (pardon the pun) the perspective of awareness - always a good thing... besides, as much as I like the track-and-list aspect of the list, I think that issues such as this enhance the list and though continue to orbit around TD, also avoid the more common threads such as where TD's name came from, etc... which are all 'important', as well... but I think some fleshing out of the broader perspective gives... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' All very thought-provoking, but does it really matter? (Other than wanting to > ogle more at TD concerts now Linda's gone!) j.gordon here... I would argue yes, simply from the fact that a deeper assesment of even periferal issues broadens (pardon the pun) the perspective of awareness - always a good thing... besides, as much as I like the track-and-list aspect of the list, I think that issues such as this enhance the list and though continue to orbit around TD, also avoid the more common threads such as where TD's name came from, etc... which are all 'important', as well... but I think some fleshing out of the broader perspective gives... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' All very thought-provoking, but does it really matter? (Other than wanting to > ogle more at TD concerts now Linda's gone!) j.gordon here... I would argue yes, simply from the fact that a deeper assesment of even periferal issues broadens (pardon the pun) the perspective of awareness - always a good thing... besides, as much as I like the track-and-list aspect of the list, I think that issues such as this enhance the list and though continue to orbit around TD, also avoid the more common threads such as where TD's name came from, etc... which are all 'important', as well... but I think some fleshing out of the broader perspective gives... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'teiwaz _' From: 'j.gordon' that they prefer classical because they like a big cello between their > legs.......... j.gordon here... I bow to that theory... j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Daventura From: 'Michael A. Jean' > > From: 'Steven Le Vine' > > Okay Shadow, > > I was in your position once ( till I purchassed 'TYGER' AND MY WHOLE LIFE > CHANGED!!!!!!, just kidding), but I caved in & started > purchassing CD's > Thats funny you should say that...I wrote a similarly titled story a few years ago for Beyond The Horizon...in a way it certainly did! > > But, I have researched a little for you. 'Destination Berlin' is > available > at Amazon, CDNOW & Music Boulevard. I tried to browse some UK sites, but > they were'nt loading. It is unlikely that it is the impolrt, but who knows.... I think a local shop may have it...they haven't been able to sell it since the reissue was so much less...I'll check today... From: 'Thomas' From: 'Thomas' From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: teiwaz _ [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > Of course, you can always wait for the best of discs to end up in the > used bins of yer favorite reocrd store and then buy them. Is this > illegal? Reselling previously sold material? what about cutouts? not as far as I know. > What about offering to trade one original TD release for another? > For example, if I wanted to trade my blue covered Jive-Electro Tyger > CD for the black covered Relativity one--is that legal or illegal? > Not that I'm actually offering mine. And does this constitute a > banned thread on this discussion list? Joe? I wouldn't conduct/discuss a transaction between myself and another person on-list any more than I would have a one-on-one private conversation on-list. But I don't think it is so bad to ask if 'anybody out there' wants to contact you *off-list* about trading. The key here is that you are not mentioning bootlegs. Saying something like, 'I have rare and hard-to-find stuff to trade,' and keeping the rest off-list, is not a slap-in-the-face to the artist, as it does not imply that you are dealing in music for which the artist never received a royalty. A used record store, for example, would not advertise that they sell anything illegal, would they? Make sense? -joe From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: teiwaz _ [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] .. > Subject: [tadream] TD vs. non-TD fans or what women listen ... > From: 'teiwaz _' > > It's not because women think TD aren't creative. ... > Of course, to say that women don't like Electronic Music is to ... I was playing The Keep last night and my wife said, 'I love this music.' (!) Not 2 songs later, she said, 'I'm so sick of this shit.' I think that speaks volumes. I mean, I can recognize that Whitney houston has a nice voice, and listen to one or two songs (although I wouldn't go so far as to say I 'love' it), but more than two songs or so, and I start to itch all over, break out in hives and begin to twitch and convulse violently! Kinda like the guy in 'A Clockwork Orange'. -joe From: 'Plumer, Scott' (Sorry Scott) Hey, I'm just as guilty as anyone! :-) >Beleive it or not there is a lot of Rick Wakeman out there (TBORW is really >cool, a bunch of all synth 'Yes' stuff & updated versions of 'myth and >legends of king arthur' stuff) >In fact, he now plays with his son (sound familiar) They are known as....... > Wakeman & Wakman. An interesting note: apparently he was recently born again and now plays only Christian music. He was on Pat Robertson's 700 Club not long ago, telling how he overcame drug and alcohol problems and saw the light and decided to devote his talent to sacred music. Scott From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'j.gordon' I would be very grateful if somebody could help me getting hold of the > original vinyl releases of the following albums: > > * Edgar Froese 'Macula Transfer' > * Edgar Froese 'Ages' > j.gordon here... I believe I have a lead on MT if not Ages... what type of condition are you interested in... ;) actually, what I mean is, what is the lowest quality you'll take... I have no idea what condition they are in... my local Swiss Used CD man has LPs by the stack... he showed me some EF solos and MT was one of them... I think Ages was another... but as I've no turn-table, vinyl and me don't mix (ptp)... but I can check if you'd like... j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Bennett Cookson From: 'j.gordon' _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Sean Montgomery From: Bennett Cookson > > Contest winner announced -- see TDI web site Oh, Bennett! So close, yet so far! I'm curious how so many people all got the answer 46...were you sharing info? ;-) I managed to find the correct answer in about five minutes of web surfing...check out this page: http://top.monad.net/~rstephenson/E20.htm SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Sean Montgomery I find it interesting, funny and not a bit ironic that after all this > dicussion concerning why women don't like TD, that the winner of the > contest to see TD in concert would be a woman... And the winner of the Easter Island contest was also a woman...interesting! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Bennett Cookson Oh, Bennett! So close, yet so far! I'm curious how so many people all got the answer 46...were you sharing info? ;-) I managed to find the correct answer ... Yes too close but yet too far.... No I did not share any information. I also found that same web page you referenced when looking for the issue and number 25. But I have a copy of the congressional record for the vote on Symmes's Theory and it clearly shows a final vote of 56-46. I do not know where they got the 25... --Bennett From: Sean Montgomery No I did not share any information. Sorry, I didn't mean to accuse...I hope no offense was taken. :-) > But I have a copy of the congressional record for the vote on Symmes's > Theory and it clearly shows a final vote of 56-46. I do not know where > they got the 25... Interesting! Have you brought this to TDI's attention? SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Bennett Cookson From: 'cinemafan' From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 5:28 pm Subject: Re: Goblins' Club AMBASSADOR NELASKON, you sound just like me. i only like 1,6, and 7 off GOBLINS, too! weird, huh. BLAde ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 4:07 pm Subject: Re: On topic any1 here ever go 2 one of t.d.'s concerts!? if so, which 1(s) and what did you like bout it(them)? j/c, m i k e ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15928 Re: On topic Mike Jr. J Schramer Wed 4/21/1999 2 KB 15930 Re: On topic j.gordon Wed 4/21/1999 2 KB From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 4:59 pm Subject: Re: jukebox I CAN'T BLIEVE how many albums have been mentioned here that i've never heard of (2 many 2 even mention), how bout this DREAM ROOTS disc - what's that all about? - bLadE ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 36948 Re: jukebox Fred Yargui fredyargui Fri 11/1/2002 3 KB 36949 Re: jukebox Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Fri 11/1/2002 4 KB 36953 Re: jukebox rtol008 rtol008 Fri 11/1/2002 4 KB 36951 Re: jukebox Fred Yargui fredyargui Fri 11/1/2002 3 KB 36954 Re: jukebox Fred Yargui fredyargui Fri 11/1/2002 2 KB From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 4:38 pm Subject: Re: Open question. LOGOS rocks! its probably my fav. album just becuz of the depth, complexity, and smooth transitions btween movements. i wish t.d. would do more albums like that. B l a de ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15925 Re: Open question. Mike Jr. J Schramer Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 5:19 pm Subject: Re: Carl & Jacqui Kearney ... select one cd 2 CARL & JK, you've probably already selected the disc you'll play in the jukebox, but you're both in england, right?!? my suggestion would b to play logos. its simply smashing! - mike ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 4:22 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 29 when was the last U.S. tour SUPPOSED to be?? - mike ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15926 Re: Digest Number 29 Mike Jr. J Schramer Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB 15929 Re: Digest Number 29 Sean Montgomery Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB 15932 Re: Digest Number 29 j.gordon Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB 15935 Re: Digest Number 29 Plumer, Scott Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB 15936 Re: Digest Number 29 Sean Montgomery Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB 15942 Re: Digest Number 29 Gabe Yedid Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB 15945 Re: Digest Number 29 Sean Montgomery Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB 15952 Re: Digest Number 29 Gabe Yedid Wed 4/21/1999 2 KB 15996 Re: Digest Number 29 Antonio Nunes Thu 4/22/1999 1 KB From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 4:40 pm Subject: Re: 4 Sale/Trade what is 'TOURNADO' like? (listened 2 'OASIS' recently & only like a few trax) mike ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15947 Re: 4 Sale/Trade Dan J. Schulte Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 4:18 pm Subject: Re: Call for TD interview questions is 'ULTIMA THULE' availabel 4 purchase (somewhere)?? really curious (r/c) Blade ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15924 Re: Call for TD interview questions Mike Jr. J Schramer Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 4:11 pm Subject: Re: DREAM MIXES. what's is dream theatre's musik like?? never heard of them b4. just a q, Blade ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 5:07 pm Subject: Re: Call for TD interview questions here's anthoer Q 4 EDGAR AND THE BAND - t.d.'s mentioned on @ least 1 album (turn of the tides) that mozart & bach r among their biggest inspirtations, so, which pieces in particular by these composers have been especially influential? mike/Blade ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' From: Sean Montgomery From: 'j.gordon' any1 here ever go 2 one of t.d.'s concerts!? if so, which 1(s) and what > did you like bout it(them)? j/c, m i k e > j.gordon here... yeah, I saw them in '92 at the Warfield in San Francisco (the same music that appeared on 220 Volt)... front row table... it was the first I'd really seen or heard of both Linda and Zlatco... and, to be honest, I was young and under the influence... but still, I don't think I've ever experienced a more intense two hours (approx., with break) of music in my life... Linda was about 10 feet away and continually bathed in blue from above... Mind blowing... I also saw them when they played Nottingham in '97... that was great... they had Ambient Monkeys playing before the show... fabulous... I just remember thinking that if they would just release the first half of the show on CD, I'd be a happy man... and then Valentine Wheels came out, and I was a happy man... 'have' concert tickets for June... I'll let you know what that's like too... :-) j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Joel Mullen From: 'j.gordon' _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Joel Mullen From: Bennett Cookson > > Contest winner announced -- see TDI web site O.K. now why did so many people who got it wrong have the same answer. Where did they go wrong? The answer was 25. Everyone who was wrong had 46 as an answer and one had 56. Oh and one guess at '0' At least they knew about Donalds sons vs. nephews and TDI did not screw up that question. Joel From: Joel Mullen I do not know where they got the > 25... > > --Bennett They fucked up? From: 'Plumer, Scott' t.d.'s ultra cool titles R one other thing that make them and their musik >so sweet! HERE'S A Q 4 YA ALL - wha'ts your fav. title of a t.d. song >(not fav. song)?! (yah, i know, there r 2 many 2 choose from, but i think >mine's probably 1 of those long spacey, titles from i think it's the >'pink yrs' - '70 - '73). It's a toss up: Birth of Liquid Plejades -or- Penguin Reference Scott From: Sean Montgomery wha'ts your fav. title of a t.d. song (not fav. song)?! I'd have to go with two...Mothers of Rain, and Dolls in the Shadow. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Michael A Jean From: 'Thomas' > > I would be very grateful if somebody could help me getting hold of the original vinyl releases of the following albums: > > * Edgar Froese 'Macula Transfer' > * Edgar Froese 'Ages' > > Thanks beforehand > Thomas > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > http://www.ONElist.com > Sign up for a new e-mail list today! > ------------------------------------------------- From: 'Joe Shoults' Thomas, > > I'll trade you my albums for the cds.... > > On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Thomas wrote: > > From: 'Thomas' > > > I would be very grateful if somebody could help me getting hold > of the original vinyl releases of the following albums: > > * Edgar Froese 'Macula Transfer' > > * Edgar Froese 'Ages' > > Thanks beforehand > > Thomas Was this directed to an individual or the entire list? Again, asking if anyone is interested for licensed trades on-list is fine, but please respond and conduct your activities off-list. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16020 Re: please trade off-list Michael A. Jean Fri 4/23/1999 2 KB From: 'anthony simeone' Message: 20 > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:38:40 -0600 > From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' >Subject: Re: Open question. > >LOGOS rocks! its probably my fav. album just becuz of the depth, >complexity, and smooth transitions btween movements. i wish t.d. would >do more albums like that. B l a de > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From: tadream-owner@O... Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 6:23 pm Subject: New Survey Hello, There is a new survey for the tadream community. The first tadream 'Best of' survey covered only ten TD compilation albums. Our survey capabilities have now been expanded to allow 25 possible responses instead of only 10, which covers all of them at once. Therefore, we are starting over. Please check UP TO THREE of the the boxes below next to what you believe represent TD's best compilation albums. Please select a maximum of three choices, and no more. The results will remain a permanent reference on the tadream site. ---- Possible answers are: o TimeSquare-Dream Mixes 2 o Best of Tangerine Dream (released 1989) o The Dream Roots Collection o From Dawn til Dusk: 1973 - 88 o Tangerine Dream Box (rel. 1990) o Dream Sequence o 1969 - 1973: Analogue Space Years o Tangerine Dream '70-'80 o Hollywood Years 1 o Hollywood Years 2 o Tangents (5 CD box set) o Dream Music o Dream Music 2 o The Private Music of TD o The Tangerine Dream Collection o The Dream Mixes o Atmospherics (rel. 1995) o Dream Encores - compilation o Dream Dice (5-CD Box set) o Atlantic Bridges o The Story of TD o Atlantic Walls o Book of Dreams o The Brick (rel. 1997) o In the Beginning (6 LP Boxset) To vote, please visit the following web page: http://www.onelist.com/surveycenter/tadream Thanks! tadream Owner Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15946 Re: New Survey Dan J. Schulte Wed 4/21/1999 2 KB 15951 Re: New Survey Joe Shoults Wed 4/21/1999 4 KB 15954 Re: New Survey Bennett Cookson Wed 4/21/1999 1 KB 15955 Re: New Survey Joe Shoults Thu 4/22/1999 2 KB 15961 Re: New Survey Gabe Yedid Thu 4/22/1999 1 KB 15962 Re: New Survey Sean Montgomery Thu 4/22/1999 1 KB 15963 Re: New Survey Gabe Yedid Thu 4/22/1999 1 KB 15964 Re: New Survey Sean Montgomery Thu 4/22/1999 1 KB 15968 Re: New Survey j.gordon Thu 4/22/1999 1 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 7:15 pm Subject: Re: Contest winner announced -- see TDI web site On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Joel Mullen wrote: > O.K. now why did so many people who got it wrong have the same > answer. Where did they go wrong? The answer was 25. Everyone > who was wrong had 46 as an answer and one had 56. Oh and one > guess at '0' > > At least they knew about Donalds sons vs. nephews and TDI did > not screw up that question. > > Joel Quite telling, don't you think, that they get a question about a Disney cartoon correct, but not one of historical record which can easily be checked from several sources? Gabe From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 7:17 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 29 On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Sean Montgomery wrote: > From: Sean Montgomery > > > wha'ts your fav. title of a t.d. song (not fav. song)?! > > I'd have to go with two...Mothers of Rain, and Dolls in the Shadow. I've always wondered what the letters 'MOR' stand for applied to a certain style of popular music that includes Tesh, Michael Bolton, etc. There isn't actually a link between the TD track and that type of music, is there? Gabe From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 7:22 pm Subject: Re: Contest winner announced -- see TDI web site So, uh, what was the final question? Scott -----Original Message----- From: Gabe Yedid [mailto:gabe@c...] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 3:16 PM To: tadream@o... Subject: [tadream] Re: Contest winner announced -- see TDI web site From: Gabe Yedid On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Joel Mullen wrote: > O.K. now why did so many people who got it wrong have the same > answer. Where did they go wrong? The answer was 25. Everyone > who was wrong had 46 as an answer and one had 56. Oh and one > guess at '0' > > At least they knew about Donalds sons vs. nephews and TDI did > not screw up that question. > > Joel Quite telling, don't you think, that they get a question about a Disney cartoon correct, but not one of historical record which can easily be checked from several sources? Gabe ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Has ONElist changed your life? http://www.ONElist.com Visit our homepage and share with us your experiences at ONElist of the Week! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. Thank you! From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 7:23 pm Subject: Final question and answer? (fwd) Really-From: James Owens I promised I'd post this, so here it is: The TDI final question: In 1823, there was a request brought before the American Congress to launch a very special expedition to the North Pole, in order to find a path connecting the outer world to the inner world of our planet. We would like to know the number of 'yes'- votes in the final decision over that expedition. The answer they have is 25. Their source for this answer as near as Bennett can I can figure is: 'Pilgrims Through Space and Time' by James O. Bailey (1947). However, MOST of the people who answered the question agree that the answer is actually 46. We derive this answer directly from 'The Annals of Congress' which is the predecessor to 'The Congressional Record'. This is the OFFICIAL documentation of the goings on of the United States congress. The article I have in hard copy here is from the second session of the 17th Congress of the United States. It describes a petition presented by Mr. J.T. Johnson of Kentucky that congress fund an expedition to the North Pole to be led by Captain John Cleves Symmes, formerly of the US Army. According to Symmes Theory, the world is hollow and there is another sphere nestled inside, with a hole connecting the two areas at each pole. Mr Johnson moved to refer is to the commitee of Foreign Relations. Mr. Farrelly of Pennsylvania moved to 'lay it on the table'. (I'm guessing that 'lay it on the table' is congressional slang for 'throw it out' or 'put it aside'. The vote is recorded as follows: 'The question to refer the memorial to the Committee on Foreign Relations was decided in the negative - 56 to 46.' Does anyone know more info about the Bailey book, specifically where HE got HIS information? Unless it came up again (which I did not find in the 'Annals of Congress') this does appear to be the final word on this, since it was the ONLY vote taken. James (sorry for the mostly off-topic, but many people have asked to see this) From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 7:30 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 29 > I've always wondered what the letters 'MOR' stand for applied to a > certain style of popular music that includes Tesh, Michael Bolton, etc. My understanding is that in this case MOR stands for Middle of (the) Road; signifying bland, generic tunage that your mama would like. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 8:44 pm Subject: Re: New Survey tadream-owner@O... wrote: > > From: tadream-owner@O... > > Hello, > > There is a new survey for the tadream community. > > The first tadream 'Best of' survey covered only ten TD compilation albums. Our survey capabilities have now been expanded to allow 25 possible responses instead of only 10, which covers all of them at once. Therefore, we are starting over. Please check UP TO THREE of the the boxes below next to what you believe represent TD's best compilation albums. Please select a maximum of three choices, and no more. The results will remain a permanent reference on the tadream site. > > ---- > > Possible answers are: > > o TimeSquare-Dream Mixes 2 > o Best of Tangerine Dream (released 1989) > o The Dream Roots Collection > o From Dawn til Dusk: 1973 - 88 > o Tangerine Dream Box (rel. 1990) > o Dream Sequence > o 1969 - 1973: Analogue Space Years > o Tangerine Dream '70-'80 > o Hollywood Years 1 > o Hollywood Years 2 > o Tangents (5 CD box set) > o Dream Music > o Dream Music 2 > o The Private Music of TD > o The Tangerine Dream Collection > o The Dream Mixes > o Atmospherics (rel. 1995) > o Dream Encores - compilation > o Dream Dice (5-CD Box set) > o Atlantic Bridges > o The Story of TD > o Atlantic Walls > o Book of Dreams > o The Brick (rel. 1997) > o In the Beginning (6 LP Boxset) How are Hollywood vol 1&2 considered to be best of's when it's all unreleased material? Dan -- Dan J. Schulte-Progressive Electronic Music Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 8:04 pm Subject: Re: 4 Sale/Trade Mike Jr. J Schramer wrote: > > From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' > > what is 'TOURNADO' like? (listened 2 'OASIS' recently & only like a few > trax) mike Ever see how a dog reacts after eating chocolate? That's what Tournado was like for me. ;-) Dan -- Dan J. Schulte-Progressive Electronic Music Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Wed Apr 21, 1999 9:47 pm Subject: Mike Jr J Schramer re Dream Theatre. Hi Mike you were asking about Dream Theatre I only discovered them a couple of months ago but if you like Rush your bound to like Dream Theater can't however recomend one particular album ,have heard about three so far all excellent massivelly outrageous key changes and mad breaks half way through tracks .You just start getting used to a certain track then off it goes in another direction. Try Them tell me what you think. I'm sure somebody on list is more clued up than I. With regards to your other question about the amount of Td albums I thought I was up to date until I came on list ( thanks Joe) I must be about 7 years behind the times due to being held on the Vorlon home world but hey catching up fast Long live rock and roll Carl.. From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Dan J. Schulte [mailto:rakinik@g...] > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 4:45 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Re: New Survey > > > From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > > tadream-owner@O... wrote: > > > > From: tadream-owner@O... > > > > Hello, > > > > There is a new survey for the tadream community. > > > > The first tadream 'Best of' survey covered only ten TD > compilation albums. Our survey capabilities have now been > expanded to allow 25 possible responses instead of only 10, which > covers all of them at once. Therefore, we are starting over. > Please check UP TO THREE of the the boxes below next to what you > believe represent TD's best compilation albums. Please select a > maximum of three choices, and no more. The results will remain a > permanent reference on the tadream site. > > > > ---- > > > > Possible answers are: > > > > o TimeSquare-Dream Mixes 2 > > o Best of Tangerine Dream (released 1989) > > o The Dream Roots Collection > > o From Dawn til Dusk: 1973 - 88 > > o Tangerine Dream Box (rel. 1990) > > o Dream Sequence > > o 1969 - 1973: Analogue Space Years > > o Tangerine Dream '70-'80 > > o Hollywood Years 1 > > o Hollywood Years 2 > > o Tangents (5 CD box set) > > o Dream Music > > o Dream Music 2 > > o The Private Music of TD > > o The Tangerine Dream Collection > > o The Dream Mixes > > o Atmospherics (rel. 1995) > > o Dream Encores - compilation > > o Dream Dice (5-CD Box set) > > o Atlantic Bridges > > o The Story of TD > > o Atlantic Walls > > o Book of Dreams > > o The Brick (rel. 1997) > > o In the Beginning (6 LP Boxset) > > How are Hollywood vol 1&2 considered to be best of's when it's all > unreleased material? > > Dan > > -- > Dan J. Schulte-Progressive Electronic Music > Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > http://www.ONElist.com > Sign up for a new e-mail list today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in > your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for > more info. > Thank you! > From: Gabe Yedid From: Sean Montgomery > > > I've always wondered what the letters 'MOR' stand for applied to a > > certain style of popular music that includes Tesh, Michael Bolton, etc. > > My understanding is that in this case MOR stands for Middle of (the) Road; > signifying bland, generic tunage that your mama would like. > > > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator Hmm...all right...in this case, I personally wouldn't say that MOR applies very well to 'Mothers of Rain', not even the Optical Race mix of it, and in spite of the fact it's not one of TD's more well-developed pieces. I know it's pretty repetitive, based as it is around what's essentially a single chord cycle, but it's still become one of my 5 very favourite TD pieces anyway (and not just because of the title). Now I just have to figure out why it is I like it so much! Gabe From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: Bennett Cookson From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- |> From: Bennett Cookson [mailto:Bennett.Cookson@O...] |> From: Bennett Cookson |> It seems to be that boxed sets are different than a best-of |> CD... One could |> always choose the boxed set because it contains more, could we have two |> Surveys? |> |> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: JMPoer From: Daventura > >So TD merchandise is kinda rare, huh? My black ballcap with the embroidered >TD logo must be worth a fortune then...hehe > Thanks for reminding me....I have one too....don't have a clue to where or when I got it. My favorite item is a 'crystal' beer mug with the TD Logo engraved on (in) it. It was a gift and I suspect it may have been custom made, but I can't ask the 'giver', 'cause he isn't with us on the BIG LIST any more. John Poer jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: 'anthony simeone' From: 'cinemafan' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 4:18 am Subject: Fav Song titles For the record, my votes go out to: 1. Grind (Sorcerer-track 7) 2. Riddle of the Monkey Tribe (Ambient Monkeys-track 7) 3.Pilots of purple Twilight (Exit-track 2) Grind seems to hit the nail on the head so to speak, conjuring up the agony felt in the film, while ANY track with monkey in the title gets my vote....if only I could get the trackable version of AM, instead of the TDI one track version......and the third choice rolls of the tongue like butta! Chris NP-nothing...I'm gonna go watch THE BEYOND for the millionth time! From: 'Ambassador Nelaskon' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 2:06 am Subject: Logos and TimeSquare >>>(I guess it would be pretty hard to release a live album of music that hadn't yet been performed, huh?)<<< Ricochet? Pergamon? Logos? Poland? Live Miles? 220 Volt? Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I've just read this digest. >* Tournado (Live 1997) - no new stuff But there are some new things there... >* Quinoa - all NEW stuff Well... no. There was the old quinoa. (It's just a Two Bunch Palms remix anyway) >* Ambient Monkeys - all NEW stuff But is it worth getting? >* TimeSquare-Dream Mixes II - contains one REMIX and six completely NEWtracks No, no NO! Everyone keeps saying that! (That's cuz the TD website says that) Mobocaster is a very obvious remix of track 5 on TOT. The name escapes me at the moment. And I think a couple more are remixes too. Does anybody know the rest of them? I do know that SOME of them are new. Maybe it's just the 2 that are remixes. Doubt it... -Nelaskon ECA --- 'Never stop Dreaming. When you forget how to Dream, you forget how to live.' -maX Verran [Aurealis] Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com From: 'Ambassador Nelaskon' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 2:15 am Subject: Mobocaster I just read where someone had already posted that Mobocaster is Twilight Brigade. In that case, sorry for the repost! -Nelaskon ECA --- 'Never stop Dreaming. When you forget how to Dream, you forget how to live.' -maX Verran [Aurealis] Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 2:58 am Subject: Re: New Survey This list is, of course, missing the two best compilations to come out in...well, ever ;) _Sea of Dreams_ and _Real Dream Encores_ would rank quite highly for anybody who's got 'em all, I would say. Gabe From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 2:58 am Subject: Re: New Survey > This list is, of course, missing the two best compilations to come out > in...well, ever ;) _Sea of Dreams_ and _Real Dream Encores_ would rank > quite highly for anybody who's got 'em all, I would say. A good point, Gabe...except that if we go down this particular road, I would cast my vote for Electronic Orgy. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 3:09 am Subject: Re: New Survey On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Sean Montgomery wrote: > From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > This list is, of course, missing the two best compilations to come out > > in...well, ever ;) _Sea of Dreams_ and _Real Dream Encores_ would rank > > quite highly for anybody who's got 'em all, I would say. > > > A good point, Gabe...except that if we go down this particular road, I > would cast my vote for Electronic Orgy. Of course, the ULTIMATE TD compilation would be one that took the best of all of those sets--or why not ALL of them, eliminating any overlap. You in the mood to burn some CDs Sean? ;) > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator Gabe From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 3:07 am Subject: Re: New Survey > You in the mood to burn some CDs Sean? ;) Alas, I don't have access to a burner! When I do finally get one, I'll go compilation crazy, I assure you. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 4:02 am Subject: Re: reply to siberkat concerning rick wakeman & yes Dear Scott, NO WAY! siberkat > Wakeman & Wakman. > >An interesting note: apparently he was recently born again and now plays >only Christian music. He was on Pat Robertson's 700 Club not long ago, >telling how he overcame drug and alcohol problems and saw the light and >decided to devote his talent to sacred music. > >Scott > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15977 Re: reply to siberkat concerning rick wakeman & y Plumer, Scott Thu 4/22/1999 2 KB From: Jens Peschke Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 4:50 am Subject: Re: To Carl: UK EM concerts - Ian Boddy at Jodrell Banks -April the 24th > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Hi Jens just wanted to say a quick thankyou for the red shift info. Ta. > Does anyone out there know if there are any EM gigs in the uk this >year ? How about UK synth veteran Ian Boddy live at Jodrell Banks on (next) Saturday ? If I'm not mistaken it's only a tenner. Ian Boddy has 9 or 10 solo CDs out, did some neat collaborations (Octane as ARC, Phase 3 with the Dutch Ron Boots and Eric van Heijden [comes with one of my fave sequencer tracks ]) and he's quite popular. Make sure to have some money with you as there are stalls offering loads of EM CDs. You should find the new TD releases ('What a Blast' & 'VW' for sure, Sohoman maybe) and Redshift easily. ;-) If you fancy Schmoelling era TD you should try to get Rob Essers 'A Lizards walk'. Watch out, it's full of melody - when I first listened to it I thought it was Tangram set 3! Best Regards Jens --- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15980 Re: To Carl: UK EM concerts - Ian Boddy at Jodrel Nick adams Thu 4/22/1999 1 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 6:45 am Subject: Re: How 'bout... (New Survey) > How about this: anybody that wants a survey run, just send me the question, > and the possible answers, up to 25. We will build a library of surveys if > you want, because we can. We have the possible choices of allowing only one > response, or multiple responses, and the freedom to go back and change line > items or the description of the survey, if we wish. we can only run one > survey at a time, however. > > So, now that we have gotten our feet wet, what do you want? > > -joe j.gordon... Here's one... maybe not as erudite as Choosing Best of's and Box sets... (got to know a lot of TD) but still one that is sure to be wide ranging... Best pieces within time frames... for example, Best continguous piece between 10 and 20 minutes... best piece over 20... and, maybe best piece under 10... this allows for expression of periods as well as pieces... waddya think? j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 6:49 am Subject: Re: New Survey > A good point, Gabe...except that if we go down this particular road, I > would cast my vote for Electronic Orgy. > > > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > j.gordon here... I'd second that vote... j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Poulton, Larry' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 9:21 am Subject: Re: favorite song titles Hi people - I'm new to the list - dipping my toe in the water. Favourite track title: '3am At The Border Of The Marsh From Okefenokee' It has to be this - its perfectly descriptive, full of imagery and the music oozes atmosphere. -----Original Message----- From: anthony simeone [mailto:ajsrails@h...] Sent: 22 April 1999 02:03 To: tadream@o... Subject: [tadream] favorite song titles From: 'anthony simeone' favorite song titles: Pixel Pirates, Digital Sister, Mobocaster, Towards the Evening Star, Purple Nightfall, Marakesh. I could name a lot more, but that would be Too Hot for my Chinchilla. Well, got to go. I'll be riding the lizard overland. In the meantime, smile. ajs _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. 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ID Date Size 15972 Re: Trivia questions Heiko Heer�en Thu 4/22/1999 1 KB 15974 Re: Trivia questions j.gordon Thu 4/22/1999 1 KB 15978 Re: Trivia questions Plumer, Scott Thu 4/22/1999 1 KB 16021 Re: Trivia questions j.gordon Fri 4/23/1999 2 KB From: 'Thomas' From: 'Heiko Heer�en' And, while I'm in the mood, here's another (NOBODY will get this) > _Miracle Mile_ is one of only two films, plus the John Laroquette Show, that is known to contain a reference to which ultra-highbrow 20th-century American author > Glyn > 'Now everybody--' THOMAS PYNCHON?? > > > > From: 'Poulton, Larry' My favourite track title is: 'Logos' - which I believe means 'the spoken word'. Other than the guy presenting the band in the beginning, there's not a single word spoken in the entire remaining concert. How did they think of that one? Anybody? 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If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: 'j.gordon' _Miracle Mile_ is one of only two films, plus the John Laroquette Show, that > is known to contain a reference to which ultra-highbrow 20th-century American > author? j.gordon here... Now, I'm not to sure, but your description would point to John Updyke... close? j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Plumer, Scott' I was thinking that they are compilations of unreleased material. It's my understanding that they (Hollywood Years 1&2) are compilations from different TV & movie projects, but maybe I'm wrong. I also debated about putting in the boxed straight-album sets like 'Tangerine Dream Box' (rel. 1990) because it just contains Phaedra, Rubycon and Ricochet unchanged in a new wrapper. It really isn't a compilation- just albums grouped together. 'Tangents' is a true compilation boxed set. Technically, I guess Ambient Monkeys is a compilation, just as much as Dream Encores, since they probably used different parts at different concerts, and compiled them into one album. Maybe I should remove TD Box and put in Ambient Monkeys? Any others? Feedback? -joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan J. Schulte [mailto:rakinik@g...] > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 4:45 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Re: New Survey > > > From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > > tadream-owner@O... wrote: > > > > From: tadream-owner@O... > > > > Hello, > > > > There is a new survey for the tadream community. > > > > The first tadream 'Best of' survey covered only ten TD > compilation albums. Our survey capabilities have now been > expanded to allow 25 possible responses instead of only 10, which > covers all of them at once. Therefore, we are starting over. > Please check UP TO THREE of the the boxes below next to what you > believe represent TD's best compilation albums. Please select a > maximum of three choices, and no more. The results will remain a > permanent reference on the tadream site. > > > > ---- > > > > Possible answers are: > > > > o TimeSquare-Dream Mixes 2 > > o Best of Tangerine Dream (released 1989) > > o The Dream Roots Collection > > o From Dawn til Dusk: 1973 - 88 > > o Tangerine Dream Box (rel. 1990) > > o Dream Sequence > > o 1969 - 1973: Analogue Space Years > > o Tangerine Dream '70-'80 > > o Hollywood Years 1 > > o Hollywood Years 2 > > o Tangents (5 CD box set) > > o Dream Music > > o Dream Music 2 > > o The Private Music of TD > > o The Tangerine Dream Collection > > o The Dream Mixes > > o Atmospherics (rel. 1995) > > o Dream Encores - compilation > > o Dream Dice (5-CD Box set) > > o Atlantic Bridges > > o The Story of TD > > o Atlantic Walls > > o Book of Dreams > > o The Brick (rel. 1997) > > o In the Beginning (6 LP Boxset) > > How are Hollywood vol 1&2 considered to be best of's when it's all > unreleased material? > > Dan > > -- > Dan J. Schulte-Progressive Electronic Music > Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > http://www.ONElist.com > Sign up for a new e-mail list today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in > your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for > more info. > Thank you! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Has ONElist changed your life? http://www.ONElist.com Visit our homepage and share with us your experiences at ONElist of the Week! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. Thank you! From: 'Plumer, Scott' hmmm... yes. You mean a survey for the best compilation and a different one for the best boxed set? Would you categorize 'Dream Dice' and 'Tangerine Dream Box' in the same way as 'Tangents'? Seems to me that Tangents is just like Book of Dreams, but just has more disks, right? I'd say that while it is accurately referred to as a boxed set, it is more precise to say it is a 'boxed set compilation of remixes'... How about this: anybody that wants a survey run, just send me the question, and the possible answers, up to 25. We will build a library of surveys if you want, because we can. We have the possible choices of allowing only one response, or multiple responses, and the freedom to go back and change line items or the description of the survey, if we wish. we can only run one survey at a time, however. So, now that we have gotten our feet wet, what do you want? -joe |> -----Original Message----- |> From: Bennett Cookson [mailto:Bennett.Cookson@O...] |> From: Bennett Cookson |> It seems to be that boxed sets are different than a best-of |> CD... One could |> always choose the boxed set because it contains more, could we have two |> Surveys? |> |> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? http://www.ONElist.com Sign up for a new e-mail list today! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. Thank you! From: 'Plumer, Scott' Dear Scott, NO WAY! siberkat > Wakeman & Wakman. > >An interesting note: apparently he was recently born again and now plays >only Christian music. He was on Pat Robertson's 700 Club not long ago, >telling how he overcame drug and alcohol problems and saw the light and >decided to devote his talent to sacred music. > >Scott > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tired of empty chat rooms and out of date bulletin boards? http://www.ONElist.com ONElist: Making the Internet Intimate ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. Thank you! From: 'Plumer, Scott' > _Miracle Mile_ is one of only two films, plus the John Laroquette Show, that >> is known to contain a reference to which ultra-highbrow 20th-century American >> author? >j.gordon here... >Now, I'm not to sure, but your description would point to John Updyke... close? As much as I like Updike, I wouldn't call him 'ultra-higbrow.' Scott From: 'Brian M. Frick' at the risk of throwing you an empty question. the biggest thought on > my mind is concert .. as in, will tadream ever come back to the U.S., and > will they come to Pittsburgh, Pa (my home town). if they did, i could > rally at least 10 people that i know to go to the concert with me. Hell, I'd go. I am from Pittsburgh too. ;-) -Brian Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15981 Re: Joe Shoults questions for interview Thomas Thu 4/22/1999 1 KB From: 'Nick adams' If you fancy Schmoelling era TD you should try to get Rob Essers >'A Lizards walk'. Watch out, it's full of melody - when I first listened >to it I thought it was Tangram set 3! > >Best Regards > >Jens I Will Second that, Hi Jens, yes i got it :-) Nick NP....Red Shift / Downtime.......Hmmm....compared to the others , i dont know yet ? Home Nicad@C... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: 'Thomas' From: 'Brian M. Frick' > >>at the risk of throwing you an empty question. the biggest thought on my mind is concert .. as in, will tadream ever come back to the U.S., and will they come to Pittsburgh, Pa (my home town). if they did, i could rally at least 10 people that i know to go to the concert with me.<< >Hell, I'd go. I am from Pittsburgh too. ;-) > >-Brian I'd go too. I am from Sweden ;o) Thomas From: 'Kevin Earley' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 2:05 pm Subject: Questions for Edgar and Jerome During an interview in April, 1994, Edgar said: ] The early TD had a trick. ] Well, of course I am not going to give it away here, but no one has ] yet found out about this trick. I always listen to records to find out if ] somebody finally manages to discover this trick. We had this to help us out ] of a need, so it wasn't an intellectual planned achievement, but borne of ] this need we had a certain pattern in our sequences and in the way we ] treated the sequences, that had to do with the intervals and so on, I don't ] wish to say more about this now. My questions:- 1. Has yet Edgar or Jerome heard anyone who seems to have discovered this trick? Who? 2. Does TD still use this trick? 3. Are you willing to provide some more information about this trick? Kevin Earley Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 15984 Re: Questions for Edgar and Jerome Joe Shoults Thu 4/22/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 2:04 pm Subject: survey woes and lesson learned > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > What about making one huge survey, that covers all the possible TD > questions? Sort of a TD fan census? > > Scott ================== Well, we only get 25 possible responses, so any survey we conduct is limited to that. Now guess what? I had a learning experience this morning. I decided to test removing an album set from the current survey. I was under the impression that I could make response-item changes after starting the survey without changing results, especially if it was an item with zero votes. WRONG! It reset all the results to zero! Once the survey has begun, I cannot make ANY changes, or it will reset to zero. I am in communication with the onelist cgi programmers to see if this can be changed, but I just have to make sure I don't make mistakes... So, I apologize. I accidentally ruined our 'Best of Compilations' survey. But I can tell you the top 3 results: 1) Tangents had 18%, 2) Dream Roots had like 13%, and 3) Dream Sequence was third with about 10%... But I admit it wasn't well thought out. We'll do it again, but not right away, and we'll define the choices better. Instead, we will do 5 new 'Best Of's, defined by TD's own 'years' periods, right from their website (one at a time): Survey #1: The �Pink Years� (1970-1974) Electronic Meditation | Alpha Centauri | Zeit | Atem | Green Desert Survey #2: The �Virgin Years� (1973-1983) Phaedra | Rubycon | Ricochet | Stratosfear | Sorcerer | Encore | Cyclone | Force Majeure | Pergamon (Quichotte) | Tangram | Exit | Thief | White Eagle | Logos - Live at the Dominion | Hyperborea Survey #3: The �Blue Years� (1984-1987) Poland - The Warsaw Concert | Le Parc | Dream Sequence | Underwater Sunlight Survey #4: The �Melrose Years� (1988-1990) Tyger | Livemiles | Optical Race | Lily on the Beach | Miracle Mile | Melrose Survey #5: The �Seattle Years� (1991-today) Rockoon | Quinoa | 220 Volt | Turn of the Tides | Tyranny of Beauty | The Dream Mixes (international/UK edition) | Goblins Club | Oasis Soundtrack | Tournado Live | TimeSquare (Dream Mixes II) | The Keep | Ambient Monkeys I'm only going off their website, and not off any solo albums, or others not listed there. solo albums can be a separate survey. j.gordon has made a good suggestion for a song length-based survey. Sounds good, but to do a survey, I need: 1) a question and 2) a list of possible responses. Please make sure they are comprehensive and well thought out. So I won't make the same mistake again. How long should we run each of these 'years' periods surveys? The first is The Pink Years, and you'll be getting an announcement soon. -joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16032 Re: survey woes and lesson learned j.gordon Fri 4/23/1999 2 KB 16035 Re: survey woes and lesson learned Thomas Fri 4/23/1999 2 KB 16052 Re: survey woes and lesson learned Steven Le Vine Fri 4/23/1999 1 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 2:09 pm Subject: Re: Questions for Edgar and Jerome Good one! Maybe if he still doesn't want to reveal it, it can be the theme for the next contest... -joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Earley [mailto:kearley@r...] > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 10:06 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Questions for Edgar and Jerome > > > From: 'Kevin Earley' > > During an interview in April, 1994, Edgar said: > > ] The early TD had a trick. > ] Well, of course I am not going to give it away here, but no one has > ] yet found out about this trick. I always listen to records to > find out if > ] somebody finally manages to discover this trick. We had this to > help us out > ] of a need, so it wasn't an intellectual planned achievement, > but borne of > ] this need we had a certain pattern in our sequences and in the way we > ] treated the sequences, that had to do with the intervals and so > on, I don't > ] wish to say more about this now. > > My questions:- > 1. Has yet Edgar or Jerome heard anyone who seems to have > discovered this trick? Who? > 2. Does TD still use this trick? > 3. Are you willing to provide some more information about this trick? > > Kevin Earley > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? > http://www.ONElist.com > Sign up for a new e-mail list today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in > your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for > more info. > Thank you! > From: tadream-owner@O... Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 1:46 pm Subject: New Survey Hello, There is a new survey for the tadream community. 'Best of' SURVEY #1 of 5 covering different periods of TD albums: ...The �Pink Years� (1970-1974)... Please select your single choice of the best album from the 'Pink Years. Results will be permanently posted at http://tadream.copfer.com. ---- Possible answers are: o Electronic Meditation o Alpha Centauri o Zeit o Atem o Green Desert To vote, please visit the following web page: http://www.onelist.com/surveycenter/tadream Thanks! tadream Owner From: 'Nick adams' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 2:42 pm Subject: Re: Fav song titles >From: 'Thomas' > >My favourite track title is: > >'Logos' - which I believe means 'the spoken word'. Other than the guy presenting the band in the beginning, there's not a single word spoken in the entire remaining concert. How did they think of that one? Anybody? > >Thomas When the album originally came out on vinyl, it had a quote on the back , which said LET THERE BE MORE LIGHT (CHRIST) so i assume they were tying the name logos up with the quote from christ, i think you will find that logos means the written word, i'm not sure though on one thing , whether it was this album with this quote, so i could be talking bullshit. Nick Home Nicad@C... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 3:33 pm Subject: Re: New Survey Joe Shoults wrote: > > 'Tangents' is a true compilation boxed set. and then he wrote in another message: > I'd say that while it is accurately > referred to as a boxed set, it is more precise to say it is a 'boxed set > compilation of remixes'... Now that's better! But I would describe Tangents as a 'boxed set compilation of remixes plus 1 CD with new material' :-) Also I would not include 'TimeSquare' in the survey, because most of its music is new or at least very different from the originals. I would include 'Tournado' instead... Antonio From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 3:48 pm Subject: Re: favorite song titles hi LARRY, welcome to the list! i agree 3 AM is 1 of the best titles. - MikE ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 3:52 pm Subject: Re: Fav song titles i thought LOGOS means logic!? 'not that it matters...' - neverending story 1 - blade ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 3:39 pm Subject: Re: favorite song titles hey, from what albums are the songs PIXEL PIRATES, DIGITAL SISTER, & MOBOCASTER? BLADE ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 3:54 pm Subject: Re: Fav song titles hey LARRY, that's awesome that you were at the logos concert. were you close to the front row & if so, can you spot yourself on the cover of the logos album?? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 3:46 pm Subject: Re: To Carl: UK EM concerts - Ian Boddy at Jodrell Banks -April the 24th i really envy all you t.d./EM fans in england! you seem to get a ton of awesome musicians/bands in concert, definately way more than here in the states. (i guess that's because a lot of these musicians come from england) anyway, ANY1 KNOW OF ANY EM/TECHNO BANDS GOING TO BE IN CONCERT HERE IN THE STATES SOON?? )heard underworld's coming - not that i neccessarily like them, it's just i'm dying to almost see any fairly good em/techno band live. - mike ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 3:56 pm Subject: Re: New Survey SCOTT, i think that t.d fan census would be a great idea, too! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 4:03 pm Subject: Re: New Survey QUESTION - how do you 'select' albums or whatever is @ question, on these surveys??i have tried using my mouse & cliking it on the cirlce but i really don't know what to do - mike ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From: 'Poulton, Larry' hey LARRY, that's awesome that you were at the logos concert. were you close to the front row & if so, can you spot yourself on the cover of the logos album?? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Share the wealth! http://www.ONElist.com Tell a friend about ONElist's 130,000 free e-mail communities! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. 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A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: Antonio Nunes > It's a toss up: > Birth of Liquid Plejades -or- > Penguin Reference Scott, I thought your fav. title was 'Mysterious Semblance' :-) Antonio From: GlynnN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: Thu Apr 22, 1999 4:13 pm Subject: Re: trivia questions > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:32:22 +0200 > From: 'Heiko Heer�en' >Subject: Re: Trivia questions > >GlynnN@o... wrote: > > And, while I'm in the mood, here's another (NOBODY will get this) > _Miracle Mile_ is one of only two films, plus the John Laroquette Show, that is known to contain a reference to which ultra-highbrow 20th-century American author > Glyn > 'Now everybody--' > >THOMAS PYNCHON?? Hey! Right first time! I'm impressed. At some point, someone pulls out one of those yellow Study Guide things, and its subject is _Gravity's Rainbow_. 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ID Date Size 16005 Re: trivia questions Joe Shoults Thu 4/22/1999 1 KB From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' From: 'Thomas' From: 'Plumer, Scott' > It's a toss up: >> Birth of Liquid Plejades -or- >> Penguin Reference >Scott, I thought your fav. title was 'Mysterious Semblance' :-) That would be my favorite _book_ title! :-D Scott From: Daventura From: 'Plumer, Scott' To Scott: I just heard an interview with Rick Wakeman. He is once >again working with YES in the studio as we speak. >OK...I think that's it....David He must have been 'unborn' again. NOW he's finally seen the light! >I am ashamed to even report this. Of course, >the media has tried to put the blame on Marilyn Manson, The >Basketball Diaries (which was a film that had Leonardo DiCaprio >acting out what these fools actually did) and THE MATRIX, because >Keanu wore a long trench coat and there was an ultra-violent scene They find scapegoats because they're afraid to blame those who are really responsible: all of us. Scott From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Daventura [mailto:tadream@v...] ... > OK, next topic...LOGOS...here's what my 1994 Webster's says: > Logos...1.Greek Philosophy, reason, thought of as constituting the > controlling principle of the universe and as being manifested by > speech. 2. Christian Theology, the eternal word or thought of God, > made incarnate in Jesus Christ: John 1.... > No speech involved, so it must be #2, huh? Yes, it was LOGOS that > had the 'Let there be more light (Christ)' quote on the back. Interesting use of religious symbols. 'Choronzon', from EXIT is the name of a demon that guards the gates of Hell, I think. > On a POSITIVE note...I must HIGHLY RECOMMEND 'The Matrix'. ditto!!! -joe From: Bennett Cookson From: 'Joe Shoults' Anyway, it sez here that we should stay on topic, so back to TD... > have I made it look that bad about off-topic stuff? I mean, Thank you for being conscientious, but don't be paranoid. This is not OT, well, perhaps only peripherally OT. It is a reference to something in Miracle Mile, right? Then think of it as TD trivia. It's not like you are talking about the Rocky Horror Picture Show or something, for pete's sake... ;-) -joe oh by the way, go see Matrix. From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' > QUESTION - how do you 'select' albums or whatever is @ question, on > these surveys??i have tried using my mouse & cliking it on the cirlce but > i really don't know what to do - mike yes. select the 'radio button', as it's called, and then click the 'Vote' button. You can only cast one vote, but you can change your vote. try it- vote for one, then immediately go back and change it and it will register. by the way, to even be able to log in, you have to have your cookies turned on. -joe From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' > > hey, from what albums are the songs PIXEL PIRATES, DIGITAL SISTER, & > MOBOCASTER? BLADE All three are from _Timesquare: Dream Mixes II_ (even though it's not really a sequel to Dream Mixes, really). 'Mobocaster' is actually a remix of 'Twilight Brigade' from _Turn of the Tides_; the other two pieces are original (well, more or less). 'Pixel Pirates' seems to have a bass line that was also in 'Lamb With Radar Eyes', but it's only for about a minute. Gabe From: PENFOLD From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'Thomas' > >My favourite track title is: > >'Logos' - which I believe means 'the spoken word'. Other than the guy presenting the band in the beginning, there's not a single word spoken in the entire remaining concert. How did they think of that one? Anybody? There is the 'Wake Up' sample played through part of the early section. Can 'Logos' also mean 'the shouted, often mis-interpreted words'? It could be something as mundane as an engineer mis-hearing the sample and asking 'What are you shouting 'logos''. 8D On a similar subject (long-time readers of other list please avert eyes now to avoid repeated comment), how did Cyclone get its name? I thought that the first track of the album contained the line 'Man called Cyclone ...' until I realised (some years later) that it was, in fact, 'Bent cold sidewalk'. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean Montgomery what's the ****-ing story? > > I just dropped by and there's *no* TD to be seen in the top 1000! When the contest closed, Muze just took down the poll, and put their old site back up. You'll notice on the 'top 1000 albums' page that it says: 'soon you'll be able to cast your own vote and help make the top 1000 a truly universal list.' Well, that refers to the contest, which is now over. Anyway, a represenative from Muze assured me that the final results of the 'People's Choice' poll will be added to the site. The list that's there was assembled by Colin Larkin, and it pre-dates the poll, so there's no TD in it. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Plumer, Scott' On a similar subject (long-time readers of other list please avert eyes now to >avoid repeated comment), how did Cyclone get its name? I thought that the first >track of the album contained the line 'Man called Cyclone ...' until I realised >(some years later) that it was, in fact, 'Bent cold sidewalk'. They probably just liked it. I don't think any of their titles are significant, really. The music of Phaedra doesn't seem to relate to Greek mythology, Rubycon doesn't seem to have anything to do with Nero (it was Nero, right? Or was it Caeser?), so they might have just liked it. Do they get tornadoes in Germany? Scott From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@m...] ... > over. Anyway, a represenative from Muze assured me that the final results > of the 'People's Choice' poll will be added to the site. The list that's > there was assembled by Colin Larkin, and it pre-dates the poll, so there's > no TD in it. so what did the winner win? Colin's Picks, or the popular picks? -j From: Sean Montgomery so what did the winner win? Colin's Picks, or the popular picks? The Muze page implies that they won the 'people's choice' 1000. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas [mailto:t-h-o-m-a-s@s...] > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 4:06 PM > To: Joe Shoults > Subject: Albums in survey > > > Joe, > > I forgot I had one more arrend before I hang up today. The > surveys are great! But I saw before that you had included 'Dream > Sequence' among the blue years. I know TD does this at their > homepage too, but rightfully it should belong in the Virgin years > since it's all material from that period. > Agree? > > Thanks again for all your help. In my opinion I think you're > doing an amazing job of running this list. (in spite of what some > people at the other list might think. read my digest today for a > change). I'm learning so much and making so many connections with > every day! :o) > > Thomas > From: Daventura From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 3:58 am Subject: Re: Rick Wakeman (was Re: Hawkwind) Dear 'ph', I saw it at Circuit City today. But, I was looking for Valentine Wheels. I will be going to another Circuit City tommorrow, If I do not find Valentine Wheels & I see it again, I may cave & get it.. >From: Stephen Yensen > >BTW, Rick's latest magnum opus, 'Return to the Centre of the Earth', is >supposed to be out TODAY in the US. Anyone know if it happened? Is E-Man on >this list? It's been out for 5 weeks in the UK already and it's BRILLIANT. > From: 'j.gordon' > A good point, Gabe...except that if we go down this particular road, I > would cast my vote for Electronic Orgy. > Where in the 'WWW' can I find 'Electronic Orgy'? I saw it listed once on Shopping.Com at first, I thought it was a joke (till I did some research). Of course it was not available, it was just listed. It was amazing, they used to have all sorts of neat stuff listed, a whole bunch of 'the singles' as well, all not available. Now they have, uh, maybe 10 TD Cd's. From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' >neverending >story 1 - blade bLaDe, You are a trip! By the way, 'My favorite song title? Guys! I am supprised at all of you! I loved this tiltle b4 I knew who TD ever was. 'Guido The Killer Pimp'! siberkat From: 'Michael A. Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@c...] > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 1:23 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] please trade off-list > > > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > > > Thomas, > > > > I'll trade you my albums for the cds.... > > > > On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Thomas wrote: > > > From: 'Thomas' > > > > I would be very grateful if somebody could help me getting hold > > of the original vinyl releases of the following albums: > > > * Edgar Froese 'Macula Transfer' > > > * Edgar Froese 'Ages' > > > Thanks beforehand > > > Thomas > > Was this directed to an individual or the entire list? > Again, asking if anyone is interested for licensed trades on-list is fine, > but please respond and conduct your activities off-list. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Has ONElist changed your life? > http://www.ONElist.com > Visit our homepage and share with us your experiences at ONElist > of the Week! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > option (instructions at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm), and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit the tadream website at http://tadream.copfer.com Thank you. From: 'j.gordon' >j.gordon here... > > >Now, I'm not to sure, but your description would point to John Updyke... > close? > > As much as I like Updike, I wouldn't call him 'ultra-higbrow.' > > Scott j.gordon... I actually had to study Upd_aeiou&y_ke in college... there were those used that term extensivly concerning the man who made modern suburbia into a baby-boomer _After-Hours_... I like his writing, but find his views of modern American life a bit bleak... 'Sides, was just a guess and probably closer than Toni Morrison... :) j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' Scott, I thought your fav. title was 'Mysterious Semblance' :-) > > Antonio > j.gordon here... I think that would actually be Shaow's :) j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > >Hey Jens where do you get your info? I'm not Jens, but maybe I can point you in the right direction. 1. Are you a member (or have you heard of) Synth Music Direct (SMD)? They are a UK based e-music mail-order firm (with associated record label, NeuHarmony) who also promote shows at JB and other venues. I saw Under the Dome and Far From Stars last year at JB. SMD also stock TD, Schulze, Schmoelling, Haslinger, Franke, etc. They often have some good deals in their secondhand and sale sections. They're on-line at http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk/ 2. Are you a member (or have you heard) of GoldTri, another mailing list? It concentrates on lesser known artists (Under the Dome, Free System Projekt, JoxBox, RAMP, etc.) and includes a number of artists on-line (Ian Boddy, Andy Pickford, Ron Boots, Bjorn Lynne, etc.) This list can be used to 'spread the word' about live shows. In fact, a large number of list members attended the Alfa Centauri festival in Holland a couple of weeks back. >Will try to make Jodrell on Saturday Thanks again Carl .Vorlon Killer. Enjoy it. I can't make this one, which is very annoying given the quality of Ian's latest releases on his new DiN label. Now, trying to relate this to TD ...... Just about to play ... no, can't say that. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > >Hi Guys And now for something completely different. > >One question. Aqua WHY. Aqua isn't one of my favourites either - too experimental. Given that it was recorded (roughly) around the time of TD's move to Virgin and Phaedra, I view Aqua as Ed playing with his new toys. >If it was vinyl I'd turn it into a plant pot. >Any suggestions what to do with it apart from inserting it into parts of my >anatomy? Yeah, you add it to your trade list. Someone, somewhere will want to swap it for something you need/want. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Poulton, Larry' LARRY, thats way too bad that you werent in the shot, but at least you got to go to a t.d. concert; i've yet not had the chance to make it to one. @ the logos concert, weren't didn't they have liek big balloons floating around that people could push around in the air?? - bLaDe ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: Mats Nordlinder From: 'j.gordon' what does everybody else think? Keep DREAM SEQUENCE in the Blue Years, move > it to the Virgin Years... or take it and DREAM MIXES I out altogether, and > wait to putthem in the 'Compilation' survey in the future? > > -joe j.gordon here... My feeling is the music should sit in the catagory where it was composed... otherwise you end up feeling like strangers in the night... like Vigour on the re-release of Tyger... though a good track, it sounds out of place, IMO,... so, Green Desert in the Pink, Dream in the Virgin... just call 1-900... wait, sorry, it just sounded a bit lewd there... composition should determine _period_, not release date... coolbeans, baby j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 11:54 am Subject: Re: Fav song titles Greetings > > (...) I think its no secret that Edgar feels a > special affinity with the English, possibly since the success of Phaedra > here in the UK. > Thanks for the Frenchies. Edgar forgot that the succes of TD in the 70's was also because of the wellcoming open mind of the french audience and fans. > > As regards Logos - there werent any balloons - just a very simple but > effective slide/light show - brilliant!! > The ballons appears during the Athens Gig (look at the video). Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'j.gordon' posted....David > j.gordon here... I love it when reality comes along and pokes big ol' holes in a hypothesis... no idea should be airtight :) Let's hear it for the women out there who dig TD... huzzah, huzzah... welcome to the list... j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Poulton, Larry' > (...) I think its no secret that Edgar feels a > special affinity with the English, possibly since the success of Phaedra > here in the UK. > Thanks for the Frenchies. Edgar forgot that the succes of TD in the 70's was also because of the wellcoming open mind of the french audience and fans. > > As regards Logos - there werent any balloons - just a very simple but > effective slide/light show - brilliant!! > The ballons appears during the Athens Gig (look at the video). Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did you know that we add over 1,000 new e-mail communities every day? http://www.ONElist.com Explore a new hobby, discover a new friend, laugh at a new joke! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. Thank you! _____________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 12:16 pm Subject: Re: European united > > From: 'Poulton, Larry' > > Yannick, > > No offence intended. I knew. I'm not offended nor angry. But i am still sad because TD wasn't on tour in France since 1986. When Edgar will decide to come in our beautiful country ? > You did have your fair share of tours too - remember > Rhiems?! I would like to. But 1974 i was 8, and too far away from Rheims (in Martinique - french carribean island). I had only heard Phaedra at this time. Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'j.gordon' j.gordon has made a good suggestion for a song length-based survey. Sounds > good, but to do a survey, I need: > 1) a question and > 2) a list of possible responses. > Please make sure they are comprehensive and well thought out. > j.gordon here... whoa, joe... sorry about that... now that I look at it, that survey would be kind of big... and we would need a survey for each section... there are probably about 10 different ways to do this survey... 8 songs from 0 to 10 minutes, 8 from 10 to 20 and 8 from the over 20 catagory?... but then how would we compile them?... someone could compile all the entries off-list (like me, isn't that nice) and then submit the top eight from each catagory to you with the question 'Which song from each catagory is your favorite?' or 'Which song do you think represents TD at their best, musically, from each catagory?'... I just liked the idea of this survey... any ideas or suggestions from the TD masses? j.gordon... _The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation_... author and book anyone?... bonus points for the '80 musical that quotes this line... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Thomas' From: Mats Nordlinder > >Hi ! > >I've got a couple of questions, hopefully somebody can answer them. > >What is that nice gentleman saying at the beginning of 'Poland' ? Is the 2LP the complete concert or is there more ? There wasn't any studioalbum in -84, no touring (?), just a couple of soundtracks, what did the bandmembers do that year ? > >Thanks ! Mats, Stockholm, Sweden, Europe, Earth. Hej Mats! (sorry for the Swedish) That might be a good question to ask the band members in the forthcoming interview! Thomas From: 'Thomas' j.gordon here... > >I love it when reality comes along and pokes big ol' holes in a hypothesis... no idea should be airtight :) > >Let's hear it for the women out there who dig TD... huzzah, huzzah... welcome to the list... > >j.gordon... Not from a lady, sorry, but I could tell you I introduced TD to a couple of friends at work, both ladies, and they LOVE it. Unfortunately they can't be on the list due to other priorities, I've asked. But it sure punches the hole in the hypothesis even bigger, doesn't it!!?? Thomas From: 'Thomas' From: 'j.gordon' > >> j.gordon has made a good suggestion for a song length-based survey. Sounds >> good, but to do a survey, I need: >> 1) a question and >> 2) a list of possible responses. >> Please make sure they are comprehensive and well thought out. >> >j.gordon here... > >whoa, joe... sorry about that... now that I look at it, that survey would be >kind of big... and we would need a survey for each section... there are >probably about 10 different ways to do this survey... 8 songs from 0 to 10 >minutes, 8 from 10 to 20 and 8 from the over 20 catagory?... but then how would >we compile them?... someone could compile all the entries off-list (like me, >isn't that nice) and then submit the top eight from each catagory to you with >the question 'Which song from each catagory is your favorite?' or 'Which song >do you think represents TD at their best, musically, from each catagory?'... I >just liked the idea of this survey... > >any ideas or suggestions from the TD masses? > >j.gordon... Why not run a pre-survey with the question j.gordon thought of: 'Which song do you think represents TD at their best, musically, from each category?', but change it to 'Which three (or any other number) songs...?' so the quantity of songs will be worth picking from. Then run a 'normal' survey asking which of those songs are best. It might be clever also to devide the categories into 0-5 min, 5-10 min, 10-20 min and 20 min +. The majority of TD tracks are between 0-10 min, and this will narrow it down a bit. I mean, look at the soundtrack albums like 'Dead Solid Perfect' - it has 19 songs I think with none longer than about 3-3.5 minutes. Just thoughts Thomas From: Mats Nordlinder Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 12:28 pm Subject: Useful facts ! It's me again ! The Internet Movie Database lists 34 'composer filmography' for TD and while searching for more I found that a guy named Edgar Froese starred in a german comedy called 'Warum the UFO:s unseren salat klauen' in 1980 !!!!!?????? Is this the same EF as WE all know ?? Mats, Stockholm, Sweden, blah, blah, you know the rest ! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16037 Re: Useful facts ! Heiko Heer�en Fri 4/23/1999 1 KB 16038 Re: Useful facts ! Plumer, Scott Fri 4/23/1999 1 KB From: 'Heiko Heer�en' Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 12:47 pm Subject: Re: Useful facts ! > From: Mats Nordlinder > > It's me again ! > The Internet Movie Database lists 34 'composer filmography' > for TD and while searching for more I found that a guy named Edgar > Froese > starred in a german comedy called 'Warum the UFO:s unseren salat klauen' > in 1980 !!!!!?????? > Is this the same EF as WE all know ?? > > Mats, Stockholm, Sweden, blah, blah, you know the rest ! 'Why the U.F.O.s steal our salads?' BIZARRE!!!! And did he actually played in that film? Anyway, I never ever heard of that before. But it sounds pretty weird! Now that would be an interview question for Ed !! Heiko, Hamburg, Germany, Banana Republic > > > > > From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 1:09 pm Subject: Re: Useful facts ! >> starred in a german comedy called 'Warum the UFO:s unseren salat klauen' >> in 1980 !!!!!?????? >> Is this the same EF as WE all know ?? >'Why the U.F.O.s steal our salads?' I was wondering what happened to my salad. I'm glad that's cleared up. Scott From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 1:14 pm Subject: Re: 1984 >There wasn't any studioalbum in -84, no touring (?), just a couple >of soundtracks, what did the bandmembers do that year ? My TD book, Mysterious Semblance, tells exactly what they did in 1984, which was a fairly busy year. They did the ST's for Firestarter, Flashpoint, Streethawk and Heartbreakers, and played a show at the Lycabettus Theater in Athens, Greece. The Three Phase video shows some footage from the setup for the show, and there's a photo from the perfomance on my web page: http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palladium/5728/index.html Scott From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 1:21 pm Subject: Re: 1984 > >From: Mats Nordlinder > >I've got a couple of questions, hopefully somebody can answer them. > > > >What is that nice gentleman saying at the beginning of 'Poland' > ? Is the 2LP the complete concert or is there more ? There wasn't > any studioalbum in -84, no touring (?), just a couple of > soundtracks, what did the bandmembers do that year ? > > > >Thanks ! Mats, Stockholm, Sweden, Europe, Earth. > > > Hej Mats! (sorry for the Swedish) > > That might be a good question to ask the band members in the > forthcoming interview! > > Thomas =========== I entered them on the interview page. -joe From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 2:09 pm Subject: Jodrell Bank Hi Vorlon killer here (Carl) Thanks to craig for the advice on what to do with aqua. Craig found SMD last night after searching for Jodrell Bank I become wiser every day. Not sure if I can make Saturday either but now I know where to look in future. Vorlon killer. From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 2:12 pm Subject: DESTIN BERLIN Shadow still waiting for call from store. Ever hopefull Vorlon killer (Carl) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16082 Re: DESTIN BERLIN Michael A. Jean Sun 4/25/1999 2 KB 16087 Re: DESTIN BERLIN Shadow Sun 4/25/1999 2 KB From: Mats Nordlinder Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 1:23 pm Subject: Re: 1984 Maybe it's a shameless plug but it's DAMN GOOD shameless plug ! (nice photos too!) Mats Plumer, Scott wrote: > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >There wasn't any studioalbum in -84, no touring (?), just a couple > >of soundtracks, what did the bandmembers do that year ? > > My TD book, Mysterious Semblance, tells exactly what they > did in 1984, which was a fairly busy year. They did the ST's for > Firestarter, Flashpoint, Streethawk and Heartbreakers, and played a show at > the Lycabettus Theater in Athens, Greece. The Three Phase video shows some > footage from the setup for the show, and there's a photo from the perfomance > on my web page: > http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palladium/5728/index.html > > > Scott > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Did you know that ONElist hosts some of the largest lists on the Internet? > http://www.ONElist.com > Our scaleable system is the most reliable free e-mail service on the Internet! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! From: Joel Mullen Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 2:01 pm Subject: Re: Profile On Friday, April 23, 1999 6:58 AM, Thomas [SMTP:t-h-o-m-a-s@s...] wrote: > From: 'Thomas' > Not from a lady, sorry, but I could tell you I introduced TD to a couple of friends at > work, both ladies, and they LOVE it. Unfortunately they can't be on the list due to > other priorities, I've asked. But it sure punches the hole in the hypothesis even > bigger, doesn't it!!?? > > Thomas > Thomas- I have to say anyone that has 'other priorites' that keep them away from 'the dream' then they do not qualify as *fans*. ;-D Maybe that is the difference between boys and girls.... other than the obvious. Joel From: 'Thomas' Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 2:28 pm Subject: Re: Profile >From: Joel Mullen > >> From: 'Thomas' > >> Not from a lady, sorry, but I could tell you I introduced TD to a couple of friends at >> work, both ladies, and they LOVE it. Unfortunately they can't be on the list due to >> other priorities, I've asked. But it sure punches the hole in the hypothesis even >> bigger, doesn't it!!?? >> >> Thomas >> > > >Thomas- > I have to say anyone that has 'other priorites' that keep them away >from 'the dream' then they do not qualify as *fans*. ;-D Maybe that is the >difference between boys and girls.... other than the obvious. > >Joel Groundbreaking! The difference between boys and girls, other than the obvious, is how they as fans worship TD. I like that! ;o) Thomas From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 4:01 pm Subject: Re: Thanks Jens. > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > >From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > > >Hey Jens where do you get your info? > > I'm not Jens, You sure ? ;-) 3. Another useful source of information might be the Sequences magazine http://www.sequences.demon.co.uk It comes with a sampler CDR and an awful lot of reviews. Well worth spend money and the only available English one IIRR. I take it you can't read Dutch ? If you contact them tell Mick Garlick I told you. :-) 4. Watch out for the Scottish C&D services catalogue. They are raving about almost everything. Onto TD. Tried to get Sohoman today in a huge local store here in Hannover. Not only that they moved TD back to the Rock/Pop section (from 'New Age') which is a good thing, they had an awful lot of stuff available. Too bad Sohoman didn't arrived yet although the store's just 300 km from Berlin. Anyway it's a sunny day and I don't have to work tomorrow for a change. Hope this helps Jens PS: Craig, you *really* need to come to e-live you know. AirSculpture promised to sync. their sequencers like on one track of Thunderhead, so I'll be there. Don't miss it! From: 'Ray Hallett' Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 5:23 pm Subject: Logos and the meaning - Exit etc Live Concerts: I was at the Logos concert on the balcony looking down at TD - and still have the ticket stub - plus the other 9 TD concerts I have been to including 2/4/75 at Royal Albert Hall London. All I can say is that they have been different on each occasion that I saw them - all unique - and different. My main criticism of them within the last seven years with regards to live performance is how much of the music is pre-programmed and how much is actually live i.e. spontaneous or improvised, to what extent is the music influenced by live performance - I doubt very little is this days. I think you have a large proportion of pre-programming going on here, there is a lot going on off-stage during the performance [boys in the back room]. Whereas in Chris Franke days you could see him twiddling the knobs etc. - somehow this added more attraction to performance and involvement - there was a human element here - man over machine. Somehow for the 1997 performance I had a feeling that I was watching a group going through the motions i.e. Top of the Pops. What percentage is live 10% or more?? I had the same feeling about performances by Kraftwerk in the last seven years also - ther difference is that they did improvise and extend som pieces and mess around when live [extended versions of Autobahn and Music Non-Stop where quite notable] - but not very much. My feeling is that the earlier in the TD career you look the more spontaneous and improvised the sets are, whereas there is more structure to the later music. I appreciate that this is linked to the technology of the time. What do you think? Logos: Anyway I think you will find that LOGOS means Souvenir - with regards to the 'Let there be more' - this is in reference to do the photo on the back with 3 suns shining???!! Exit Exit is escape, way out etc.- if you look at the front coveryou can see 2 bars - this is a view from a prison cell, don't foget this was done in the time of East and West Germany etc. There are further references to escape in the album i.e. Kiew Mission which was written to our friends in East Germany - with the collapse of the Berlin wall and integration of E/W Germany that meaning is now lost. R From: 'Ray Hallett' Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 6:21 pm Subject: Re: Ticket stubs etc Sorry don't have all the ticket stubs, at the 1975 performance the complete ticket was taken and nothing handed back, the only souvenir I came away with at that performance was the album cover to Rubycon which was stuck all over the walls at the foyer entrance. I don't remember what I did with the 1978 or 1981 stubs, I lost these over the years, and have hidden my 1997 stub in a safe place in some CD cover somewhere. I'll find this later. The only other souvenir I came away with was at the 1986 performance at the Lincoln - this is a black a yellow poster which is about 25 inches x 40 inches to big to scan today, but will do at a later date, when I have time. Apart from this I bought and still have got the Performance brochure [sorry can't think of right title for them at the moment] to the 1978, 1981, 1986, 1990 tours. By the way I am in the audience in the inner cover [page 2 bottom left - right at the front, not in the light with my 12+ year daughter] on Valentine Wheels, I couldn't believe it until I checked. R Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16049 Re: Ticket stubs etc Joe Shoults Fri 4/23/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 6:45 pm Subject: Re: Ticket stubs etc Hi Ray- for you and anyone else out there with ticket stubs, if you would be willing to scan them, I could use them on the website to associatewith the concerts list (in production). if can do this, e-mail them to me at listowner-tadream@o... same goes for past concert programmes or other paraphernalia... thanks in advance, joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Hallett [mailto:ray.hallett@l...] > Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 2:22 PM > To: Plumer, Scott > Cc: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Re: Ticket stubs etc > > > Sorry don't have all the ticket stubs, at the 1975 performance > the complete > ticket was taken and nothing handed back, the only souvenir I came away > with at that performance was the album cover to Rubycon which was > stuck all > over the walls at the foyer entrance. > > I don't remember what I did with the 1978 or 1981 stubs, I lost > these over > the years, and have hidden my 1997 stub in a safe place in some CD cover > somewhere. I'll find this later. > > The only other souvenir I came away with was at the 1986 > performance at the > Lincoln - > this is a black a yellow poster which is about 25 inches x 40 > inches to big > to scan today, but will do at a later date, when I have time. > > > Apart from this I bought and still have got the Performance > brochure [sorry > can't think of right title for them at the moment] > to the 1978, 1981, 1986, 1990 tours. > > By the way I am in the audience in the inner cover [page 2 bottom left - > right at the front, not in the light with my 12+ year daughter] > on Valentine > Wheels, I couldn't believe it until I checked. > > R > > From: Jeff Stevenson Date: Fri Apr 23, 1999 9:45 pm Subject: Stimpack5 Has anyone seen this Stimpack 5 stuff on the TDI website? Looks like they are trying to push the sales, but at $18/CD don't know how well that will go over. I see TDI is releasing their own versions of Rockoon, 220 Volt, Turn of Tides, Tyranny of Beauty and Canyon Dreams (all out June 1999). I take it they are applying the DQC mastering to the discs. Anyone know for sure? Maybe they will entice us to re-buy them all by adding 'bonus' discs (a`la Dream Mixes). Maybe not. np: Valentine Wheels Jeff Stevenson jsteven@o... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Thomas' I mean, look at the soundtrack albums like >'Dead Solid Perfect' - it has 19 songs I think with none longer than about >3-3.5 minutes. > From: 'Ray Hallett' From: 'Lawry Simm' From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > From: 'Lawry Simm' > > I'm sorry.... all this talk of what is a compilation and what > isn't... well I'm just not having it! :-) > A collection of unreleased material doesn't count as a compilation... > bye bye Hollywood Years.. Well put mister salt dude! > A collection of remixes isn't a compilation.. bye bye Dream Mixes I/II You go girl! Er...I mean dude! > Live recordings are not compilations... even if the material is all > available elsewhere... it's not in the same format... bye bye Dream > Encores, Tournado, Valentine Wheels... Yeah baby! Rollin....rollin....rollin on a river! > > There's no way that Ambient Monkeys could ever be considered a > compilation because a snippet of Astral Voyager and God knows what > else appears... does an album that uses samples cease to become an > original work? > > That doesn't quite explain why I think of Tangents as a compilation > though... Well, Tangents is a remixed collection, plain & simple. It's new material because it's different. It might as well be a whole new collection, which it is. A compilation compiles previously released stuff. Can't put it any plainer than that. Anyone who disagrees just has nothing better to do but argue. ;-) Dan -- Dan J. Schulte-Progressive Electronic Music Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ From: 'Thomas' From: 'Lawry Simm' > >I'm sorry.... all this talk of what is a compilation and what isn't... well I'm just not having it! :-) > >A compilation, to me at least, is merely a selection of previously released tracks that are available on other albums. It's purpose is either as a sampler, or as a 'Best Of'. Occasionally they add a bonus track here and there to incite die-hards to buy what they don't need. > >A collection of unreleased material doesn't count as a compilation... bye bye Hollywood Years.. >A collection of remixes isn't a compilation.. bye bye Dream Mixes I/II >Live recordings are not compilations... even if the material is all available elsewhere... it's not in the same format... bye bye Dream Encores, Tournado, Valentine Wheels... > >There's no way that Ambient Monkeys could ever be considered a compilation because a snippet of Astral Voyager and God knows what else appears... does an album that uses samples cease to become an original work? > >That doesn't quite explain why I think of Tangents as a compilation though... > >Just my thoughts.... >Lawry Good thinking! Thomas From: 'Thomas' Date: Sat Apr 24, 1999 12:36 am Subject: Surveys Thomas here, why not forget about the compilations and make the surveys like this instead? Best Studio album / track Best Soundtrack album / track Best Live album / track I think that's a reasonable way of splitting it up. Suggestions? Thomas Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16058 Re: Surveys Joe Shoults Sat 4/24/1999 2 KB 16059 Re: Surveys Thomas Sat 4/24/1999 4 KB 16068 Re: Surveys Lawry Simm Sat 4/24/1999 1 KB 16070 Re: Surveys Thomas Sun 4/25/1999 1 KB 16072 Re: Surveys Jens Peschke Sun 4/25/1999 2 KB 16096 Re: Surveys Kevin Earley Mon 4/26/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sat Apr 24, 1999 5:17 am Subject: Re: Surveys |> -----Original Message----- |> From: Thomas [mailto:t-h-o-m-a-s@s...] ...|> why not forget about the compilations and make the surveys like |> this instead? |> |> Best Studio album / track |> Best Soundtrack album / track |> Best Live album / track |> |> I think that's a reasonable way of splitting it up. Suggestions? |> |> Thomas Looks good. I might also add Best Solo album. and thanks Dan and Lawry for articulating; I agree. So, looking at the TD discography from their site and TDI's, I see the following (correct me please): ============= BEST STUDIO ALBUM Electronic Meditation Alpha Centauri Zeit Atem Green Desert Phaedra Rubycon Stratosfear Cyclone Force Majeure Tangram Exit White Eagle Hyperborea Le Parc Underwater Sunlight Tyger --------- dividing line between survey categories for studio albums? (can only do 25 at a time) Optical Race Lily on the Beach Melrose Rockoon Quinoa Turn of the Tides Tyranny of Beauty The Dream Mixes (international/UK edition) TimeSquare (Dream Mixes II) Ambient Monkeys Goblins Club Hollywood Years 1 Hollywood Years 2 ============= BEST SOUNDTRACK ALBUM Sorcerer The Keep Oasis Soundtrack Miracle Mile Thief Transsiberia What a Blast! ============= BEST LIVE ALBUM Ricochet 220 Volt Tournado Live Livemiles Poland - The Warsaw Concert Logos - Live at the Dominion Pergamon (Quichotte) Encore Dream Encores Valentine Wheels Sohoman ============= BEST COMPILATION Dream Sequence Tangents Atlantic Bridges Atlantic Walls Any corrections? -joe np: Ambient Monkeys From: 'Thomas' Date: Sat Apr 24, 1999 7:46 am Subject: Re: Surveys ----------------Original Message------------- >From: 'Joe Shoults' > >|> -----Original Message----- >|> From: Thomas [mailto:t-h-o-m-a-s@s...] >...|> why not forget about the compilations and make the surveys like >|> this instead? >|> >|> Best Studio album / track >|> Best Soundtrack album / track >|> Best Live album / track >|> >|> I think that's a reasonable way of splitting it up. Suggestions? >|> >|> Thomas > >Looks good. I might also add Best Solo album. and thanks Dan and Lawry for >articulating; I agree. > >So, looking at the TD discography from their site and TDI's, I see the >following (correct me please): >============= >BEST STUDIO ALBUM >Electronic Meditation >Alpha Centauri >Zeit >Atem >Green Desert >Phaedra >Rubycon >Stratosfear >Cyclone >Force Majeure >Tangram >Exit >White Eagle >Hyperborea >Le Parc >Underwater Sunlight >Tyger >--------- dividing line between survey categories for studio albums? (can >only do 25 at a time) >Optical Race >Lily on the Beach >Melrose >Rockoon >Quinoa >Turn of the Tides >Tyranny of Beauty >The Dream Mixes (international/UK edition) >TimeSquare (Dream Mixes II) >Ambient Monkeys >Goblins Club >Hollywood Years 1 >Hollywood Years 2 > >============= >BEST SOUNDTRACK ALBUM >Sorcerer >The Keep >Oasis Soundtrack >Miracle Mile >Thief >Transsiberia >What a Blast! Heartbreakers Flashpoint Firestarter Risky Business Wavelength Legend The Park is Mine Shy People Dead Solid Perfect Catch me if You Can Destination Berlin Canyon Dreams Three O'clock High Near Dark Zoning (I don't know whether this is an EF album or not, is says TD) Deadly Care The Man Inside > >============= >BEST LIVE ALBUM >Ricochet >220 Volt >Tournado Live >Livemiles >Poland - The Warsaw Concert >Logos - Live at the Dominion >Pergamon (Quichotte) >Encore >Dream Encores >Valentine Wheels >Sohoman > >============= >BEST COMPILATION >Dream Sequence >Tangents >Atlantic Bridges >Atlantic Walls The Collection From Dawn 'til Dusk Book of Dreams???? (contains remixes) Atmospherics The Private Music of... ??? (contains remixes) Dream Music, the movie music of TD The Analogue Space Years 1969-1973 Dream Roots Collection (contains unrel. material) '70-'80 (4LPs, 3 unrel songs, 1 Baumann, 1 Franke, 1 Froese) =============== BEST SOLO BAUMANN Romance 76 Trans Harmonic Nights Repeat Repeat Strangers in the Night FROESE Aqua Epsilon in Malaysian Pale Macula Transfer Ages Stuntman Solo 1974 - 1979 Kamikaze 1989 Pinnacles Beyond the Storm HOENIG Early Water (w. Manuel Goettsching) Departure from the Northern Wasteland XCept One Cinema SCHMOELLING Wuivend Riet The Zoo of Tranquility ======================== Then of course we have the works of Franke and Schulze too (should we include Schulze?) > > >Any corrections? > >-joe Thomas here: I've corrected the list above to the best of my knowledge (and collection). There are probably a couple missing, but it's the best I can do. Hope this helps Thomas From: 'Ray Hallett' Date: Sat Apr 24, 1999 7:56 am Subject: Re: TD Valentine Wheels glitch at 2.09 track 5 >I don't hear anything odd here....sure your CD hasn't got a fault in it? > If you listen to the CD on a old tin can with rusty nails at 78rpm the recording sounds fine, but I would only recommend this with Mike Oldfield CD as they then sound better and the experience is over much quicker. You sound just like my wife who usually says two quotes to me 'it sounds fine to me' or 'your music all sounds the same' i.e. Tangerine Dream/Klaus Schulze/Conrad Schnitzler/Kraftwerk anyway: No its not the CD or me - its the recording, if you listen very carefully and follow the line of music very very closely you will hear it. By the way I have the UK release version with the Yellow circle on the front cover and not the faint blue [Europe release]. R From: Daventura Date: Sat Apr 24, 1999 9:15 am Subject: Survey? Joe lists: ============= BEST SOUNDTRACK ALBUM Sorcerer The Keep Oasis Soundtrack Miracle Mile Thief Transsiberia What a Blast! Where's 'Firestarter' or 'Near Dark' or 'Legend'? Or my personal favorite, 'Wavelength'? Is space a concern and you have to conserve it? I won't even ask about 'Dead Solid Perfect' or '3 O'Clock High' or....... I'm confused....David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16065 Re: Survey? Joe Shoults Sat 4/24/1999 2 KB From: 'Jens Peschke' 2. Are you a member (or have you heard) of GoldTri, another mailing list? > In fact, a large number of list members attended the > Alfa Centauri festival in Holland a couple of weeks back. Just in case someone wanna watch a huge Moog modular system (Redshift's) live on stage and image how much fun those who made it to the festival had, point your thingy at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/6639/alfa99.html The next huge EM festival here in Euroland (in Nijmeden, Holland to be precise) will be e-live (organised by Kees Aerts and Ron Boots) in October. Apart from AirSculpture the line-up isn't clear yet, tho. Anyway it should be fun and I'll be there again. Sorry to anyone for the off topic content, but I thought some are interested in EM live festivals especially as TD is doing just one gig this year. Best regards Jens From: Daventura From: XxphyIeX@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Apr 24, 1999 3:14 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 53 In a message dated 4/24/99 6:35:01 AM EDT, tadream@o... writes: << I mean, look at the soundtrack albums like >'Dead Solid Perfect' - it has 19 songs I think with none longer than about >3-3.5 minutes. >> id like each one of those songs to be extended to 8-20 mins personally.. and id gladly buy 5 or 6 cds of all that material i got dsp about 3 weeks ago.. maybe 4.. and i guess i should have thought about it for a while longer.. cuz im not happy with it.. as soon as i like a song.. its over... right now im getting really into green desert force majeure and le parc im going thru my collection and listening to each cd twice From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Daventura [mailto:tadream@v...] > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 1999 5:15 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Survey? > > > From: Daventura > > Joe lists: > ============= > BEST SOUNDTRACK ALBUM > Sorcerer > The Keep > Oasis Soundtrack > Miracle Mile > Thief > Transsiberia > What a Blast! > > Where's 'Firestarter' or 'Near Dark' or 'Legend'? Or my personal > favorite, 'Wavelength'? Is space a concern and you have to conserve it? > I won't even ask about 'Dead Solid Perfect' or '3 O'Clock High' or....... > I'm confused....David > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Shop.theglobe.com * One-Stop Shopping * Free Shipping in U.S.! > Live Personal Shopper * Satisfaction Guaranteed * No Hassle Returns! > Accessories, Apparel, Jewelry, Kids, Sporting Goods, Apparel, More!! > http://www.onelist.com/ad/shoptheglobe0 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in > your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for > more info. > Thank you! > From: 'Ray Hallett' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Lawry Simm' why not forget about the compilations and make the surveys like this instead? > Best Studio album / track > Best Soundtrack album / track > Best Live album / track Well, fair enough... but half of TD's Live albums are studio recreations anyway... and the other half aren't live at all but are playing off a DAT.. Reckon that'll start anyone off? :-) Lawry From: 'Ray Hallett' From: 'Thomas' From: 'Lawry Simm' > >> why not forget about the compilations and make the surveys like this >instead? > >> Best Studio album / track >> Best Soundtrack album / track >> Best Live album / track > >Well, fair enough... but half of TD's Live albums are studio >recreations anyway... and the other half aren't live at all but are >playing off a DAT.. > >Reckon that'll start anyone off? :-) > >Lawry What would you like to call them then? Live/DAT Recordings?? How difficult are we going to make this? Thomas From: 'Thomas' From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Sun Apr 25, 1999 10:48 am Subject: Re: Surveys >From: 'Lawry Simm' >Well, fair enough... but half of TD's Live albums are studio >recreations anyway... and the other half aren't live at all but are >playing off a DAT.. Too true, Lawry ! Back in those days when they really played live (apart from pre programming there analogue sequencers of course) they often were noodling around quite a bit. However if I compare older fan tapes with what they actually played live the last time I saw them in 1997 (a set I enjoyed a lot), you surely can tell what was done live and what not. Especially the manually played codotronic drums (the parts that actually were live) were partly out of sync. Someone mentioned VW (an album I don't have) doesn't have those live drums at all. It might be the case that they were just too badly played so that the Froeses decided not to use them on the official release. I for one don't mind a few errors if someone actually plays live rather than playing off a DAT or a digital multitrack. Having said this, it's not possible to play TD's recent stuff completely live, it's a tad to complexe even if you play on top of a sequences/drums backing. You need more than 2 Keyboarders to do this. We maybe should have a survey of the best show/fan tape instead of the best mocked together live CD, eh ? (j/k) Best Regards Jens From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Thomas' > Last time I saw it, it was at Synth Music Direct in the UK, and it went for > �35. I reckon prices are even steeper now since it was only sold in 150 ex. Who told you only 150 copies were sold ? 150 were supposed to be sold via their (TD's) web site. There's no evidence that they sold only 150 copies during the recent UK tour. Given the minimal number of copies a pressing plant is willing to do - 500, actually resulting in 480-520 copies, I doubt they only did 150. However it could be they did less than 500 of those special covers but it's unlikely. If I recall correctly I've paid 20 UKP for my copy. Jens From: 'Thomas' From: 'Jens Peschke' > >> From: 'Thomas' > >> Last time I saw it, it was at Synth Music Direct in the UK, and it went for >> �35. I reckon prices are even steeper now since it was only sold in 150 ex. > >Who told you only 150 copies were sold ? 150 were supposed to be sold >via their (TD's) web site. That's what I read when it was released, can't remember where. Maybe I misunderstood. Apologies if I've misled anybody, that was never my intention. Does anybody know for sure how many were made? Thomas From: Antonio Nunes > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: cf autograph postcard.JPG > cf autograph postcard.JPG Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) > Encoding: base64 > > Name: td 30 nov.JPG > td 30 nov.JPG Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) > Encoding: base64 Usually binary attachments are not welcome on mailing lists, but perhaps this list is an exception? Mr. list-owner, would you please clear up this subject. I for one don't appreciate unsolicited binary attachments in my mail. For one thing, there's the risk of viruses, and for another I have to pay every second of downloading time both to my ISP and my telephone company. Antonio Nunes From: 'Jens Peschke' From: Antonio Nunes > Usually binary attachments are not welcome on mailing lists, Well said, Antonio! Usually someone uploads binaries onto a web site and mails the link only to mailing lists - for those who are interested. Best Regards Jens PS: attached is an 8,8 MB mpeg of a new track of mine. NO! From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Thomas' >To: >Subject: [tadream] Re: The Keep TDI official 1997 release >Date: Sun, Apr 25, 1999, 4:10 AM > >From: 'Thomas' > > Ray Hallet wrote: > > The Keep - Special Edition (1997) > > The long-awaited for original motion picture soundtrack. Special >pre-release for sale on the second (U.K.) part of the European Tour 1997 >(sold out, no copies left). > > > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this, or maybe they might >want to sell their copy - please let me know. - > I didn't attend the 1997 tour - but went to the one-of show Special >show on 30 Nov 1996 ticket scanned earlier tonight. > > It's not air that I didn't get the opportunity to get the Keep, as this >has been on my list of wants for the last 15 years. > > R > > --------------------------------------------- > > Last time I saw it, it was at Synth Music Direct in the UK, and it went >for �35. I reckon prices are even steeper now since it was only sold in 150 >ex. Virgin Records were supposed to release it at August 15th last year, >but never did. I've tried contacting them and ask about the delay. Never >got an answer. I think that means there will never be a 'The Keep' official >CD other than the 150. > > Thomas > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Are you hogging all the fun? >http://www.ONElist.com >Friends tell friends about ONElist! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, >and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our >website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. >Thank you! > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: Vic Rek From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Michael A. Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: Carl & Jacqui Kearney > [mailto:carl-jacqui@k...] > Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 9:13 AM > To: TD EMAIL > Subject: [tadream] DESTIN BERLIN > > > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Shadow still waiting for call from store. > > Ever hopefull > > Vorlon killer (Carl) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking to expand your world? > http://www.ONElist.com > ONElist has over 115,000 e-mail communities from which to chose! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in > your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for > more info. > Thank you! > From: 'j.gordon' Hi guys specially JG. > Update on the juke box. Going surprisingly well . We have had just over 250 > plays of various tracks off the album (sorry can't be more precise) > The land lord has decided to put the tape version on in the dinning area > during the day as back ground music. TYGER! TYGER! TYGER! Burn bright, baby!!! > Carl . Remember guys all the worlds a stage. > If all the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players, who's the audience? j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Shadow' This weekend I have been working, I got Tyger and have to admit it's very good. I have 'Book of Dreams' so most tracks I recognise. I enjoyed Smile and also '21CCM pt1' as this is the first time I have heard these it was quite good. Can see jGs' reasoning behind the Jukebox. Also got 'Green Desert' and Orbitals' latest album......:-) I know it's off topic but it's really good..............really GOOD!!! I have ordered 'TRANSIBERIA' at LAST!!!! Will let u know what I think next week. I now need a bigger room my Book / CD collection is driving the girlfriend Nuts. Why do women need to organise things........ All the best on your weekend Carl. Good luck on the fishing. Lee ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Shadow' To: Sent: 25 April 1999 21:34 Subject: [tadream] Re: Juke Box > From: 'j.gordon' > > > > Hi guys specially JG. > > Update on the juke box. Going surprisingly well . We have had just over 250 > > plays of various tracks off the album (sorry can't be more precise) > > The land lord has decided to put the tape version on in the dinning area > > during the day as back ground music. > > TYGER! TYGER! TYGER! Burn bright, baby!!! > > > > Carl . Remember guys all the worlds a stage. > > > > If all the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players, who's the > audience? > > j.gordon... > === > *************************************************** > Brought to you by: > PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. > > j.gordon > =:^1> > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Show mom you love her. Check out our great Mother's Day Gifts! > 14K Gold and gemstone jewelry, leather and cloth wallets and purses, > gardening, gourmet, kitchen, more! Free Shipping in the US! > http://www.onelist.com/ad/shoptheglobe5 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Joel Mullen (2) The Keep - The Blue Moon Bootleg--- If you are a fan of the movie as much as TD then you will like this CD. It contains music direct from the movie (somehow they got soundboard recordings I think) and also from a radio broadcast. It is TD, but it is also *not* the official CD. This will be the CD you will run into most often. And it will most likely not be listed as a bootleg. Price $20-$50 < BM-12 > (3) The Keep - TDI special edition--- This is the real deal. It is very hard to come by and most are in the hands of collectors who will not part with them. I paid $110 8 months ago and consider myself lucky. I have seen it sell for $200+ lately. Be prepared to pay at least that. It is a great s/t but only a few songs are in the movie. The rest were not used in the final cut, but are still excellent. It is pretty typical that only 1/2 the music TD makes for a movie gets used. It is rare that we get the hear some of the rest. Like I said Price $200+ and the TDI catalog number is TDI 010CD. 150-500 or so were made supposedly. If you have any questions regarding tracks or *whatever* let me know. Do not ask me to sell my TDI SE. You would have to pry it out of my cold dead hands first? Which brings to mind a new thread. What is going to happen to your TD collection when you are dead and gone? Is getting it buried with you a sick idea? I am closing in on 800 items in my collection (TD and solo stuff) and I wonder what will become of it. Regards, Joel From: Jeff Stevenson If you have any questions regarding tracks or *whatever* let me know. >Do not ask me to sell my TDI SE. You would have to pry it out of my >cold dead hands first? Which brings to mind a new thread. What is >going to happen to your TD collection when you are dead and gone? >Is getting it buried with you a sick idea? I am closing in on 800 items >in my collection (TD and solo stuff) and I wonder what will become of it. My wife & I were talking about this the other day. She likes TD, but would never go to the extent I have in collecting it. A collection of 5 CDs to her would have been sufficient. She never puts them on anyway tho. Needless to say she will have no use for these when I'm gone. She pointed out that I need to instill a love of TD in my son...who (at 7) to this point likes a broad array of music from Rock to Pop to Country, but not particularly TD. I told him that he should keep it for his children when I'm gone or to sell it for 'a lot' of money. At least my wife knows not to just dump it. Hmmm...maybe to insure it's taken care of I had just better not die. Jeff Stevenson jsteven@o... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: Jeff Stevenson From: Joel Mullen > >going to happen to your TD collection when you are dead and gone? >Is getting it buried with you a sick idea? I am closing in on 800 items >in my collection (TD and solo stuff) and I wonder what will become of it. With 800 items, there'd be no room for you in the casket. (Sorry meant to add this on to last msg) np: Ambient Monkeys Jeff Stevenson jsteven@o... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > I'm not Jens, > >You sure ? ;-) Last time I checked. 8D >3. Another useful source of information might be > the Sequences magazine http://www.sequences.demon.co.uk > It comes with a sampler CDR and an awful lot of reviews. > Well worth spend money and the only available English > one IIRR. I take it you can't read Dutch ? > If you contact them tell Mick Garlick I told you. :-) Sequences is a good mag, but I have two worries about it : 1. It's quite expensive (�8 an issue, although as Jens says, you get a compilation CD). 2. Some of the spelling / grammar / etc. is awful. This really irritates me (especially after paying �8) but YMMV. >PS: Craig, you *really* need to come to e-live you know. >AirSculpture promised to sync. their sequencers like on one track of >Thunderhead, >so I'll be there. Don't miss it! Won't be at e-live, but will almost certainly be at Alfa 7! -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > >Hi Craig . Just read your concert report in the program for Ian Boddy from >last nights Jodrell concert, Interesting ,sorry I missed it last year >sounded great. Excuse the personal message here, but are you sure it's me? I sent a report to the GolDtri mailing list, and now Grant (from UtD) tells me he forwarded that, along with a couple of others, to Graham Getty of SMD. I didn't realise it was going to be in the program. They might have asked first! 8) >We were treated to the sounds of Markus Reuter as well last night much to >the delight of the two guys I took with me , both being pretty good >guitarists themselves. Looking Forward to the next one. Next time we could meet up as we normally do with these shows. There's a bunch from the GoldTri list including Andy Bloyce who's a pretty mean guitarist himself. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Kevin Earley' SCHMOELLING >Wuivend Riet >The Zoo of Tranquility - White Out > ======================== >Then of course we have the works of Franke and Schulze too (should we include Schulze?) Chris Franke should definitely be included, but maybe not the B5 material. Ideally Schulze should be included also, but he has released far too much material, so I think we should pass (and Conrad Schintzler - for the same reason). Chris Franke - Pacific Coast Highway - Klemania - London Concert - Enchanting Nature - etc. But don't forget about: Paul Haslinger - Future Primitive - World without Rules - Score - Hidden (Coma Virus) Steve Jollife - Journeys Out of the Body - Japanese Butterfly - Beyond the Dream - Doorways to the Soul - The Minotaur - Voices - New Age Emotion - Escape - Temmenu - Zanzi - Omni - Warrior www.allmusic.guide is an excellent resource for this type of thing. Kevin Earley kearley@r... np: Delerium - Semantic Spaces From: 'Plumer, Scott' From: 'Poulton, Larry' Can anyone give me an actual release date for Valentine Wheels, Sohoman and What a Blast? Thanks. 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A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: 'Plumer, Scott' I've seen Valentine Wheels over here (UK) in the Virgin Megastore (Oxford St, London) if you can make it?! Price �14.99 plus your airfare....!! Just how dedicated a TD fan are you? Larry -----Original Message----- From: Plumer, Scott [mailto:Scott.Plumer@t...] Sent: 26 April 1999 15:36 To: 'TD@o...' Subject: [tadream] Release dates From: 'Plumer, Scott' Can anyone give me an actual release date for Valentine Wheels, Sohoman and What a Blast? Thanks. 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A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking for a new hobby? Want to make a new friend? http://www.ONElist.com Come join one of the 130,000 e-mail communities at ONElist! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. Thank you! From: 'James Horecka, AIA' From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > I don't care about the price, I just wanted to know when it was released! > Hey, I'm pretty dedicated, but I know a guy who saved the receipts from when > he bought his TD CD's! THAT'S obsessed! :-) Unless he doesn't ask someone to videoshoot each time he bought one in a shop than it's just fine by me. :-D How about a new thread: the ultimative TD fan - how anal a human can be. ;-) Speaking of die hard fans and the TDI KEEP edition in particular. 110 bucks ! Wow. For 110 USD you can get mine postpaid regardless where you are ! I like it but if you really need to get hold of a copy and don't feel to ripped off, that's your chance to get one. Onto a TD related music not done by TD themselfs. Some of you might remember the track 'Resolution of..' I asked the tadream members (from the *other* list) to identify. Noone knows what it was although more than 50 people downloaded the small lofi mpeg I've uploaded onto my web site. That track was so damn near to Schmoelling era TD that you won't believe it. Needless to say most who downloaded it liked it a lot. Antonio even got a MD copy. In the meanwhile the riddle is solved and the track in fact is an early version of a track from Ave by Can Attila (aka Erkan Akpinar) called 'Time Border passengers' [26:15]. A few days ago I got the full CD which is dedicated to the 30th anniversary of Tangerine Dream. What can I say ? This tribute CD is fecking brilliant if you like Schmoelling era TD, in fact the overall sound quality is stunning compared to the early version I've been fortunate enough to get hold of. The other tracks are really good either, one is a neat version of Bach's air the others are full of typical Franke styled rolling sequences. Fancy a mellotron flute theme not hundret miles away from a Ricochet theme, a Schmoelling styled piano bit (Schmoelling's skill is slightly better, tho) ? Try to get this CD but keep in mind that it's sort of a meddle of TD tunes. To sum it up: a must have for Schmoelling era TD fans who don't get rid off it! Just in case someone is interested, it's cat # is EAT CD1001, the very first release of Rob Essers EAT (Esser Audio Tools) label. Best Regards Jens np: Can Attila - Ave :-) PS: I'm not associated with EAT or the artist Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16105 Re: Release dates/TD nuts/KEEP and Ave by Can Att Joe Shoults Mon 4/26/1999 1 KB 16108 Re: Release dates/TD nuts/KEEP and Ave by Can Att Marcelo Gutierrez Mon 4/26/1999 2 KB 16110 Re: Release dates/TD nuts/KEEP and Ave by Can Att Jens Peschke Mon 4/26/1999 1 KB 16111 Re: Release dates/TD nuts/KEEP and Ave by Can Att Antonio Nunes Mon 4/26/1999 1 KB 16112 Re: Release dates/TD nuts/KEEP and Ave by Can Att Jens Peschke Mon 4/26/1999 1 KB 16116 Re: Release dates/TD nuts/KEEP and Ave by Can Att Gabe Yedid Tue 4/27/1999 1 KB 16123 Re: Release dates/TD nuts/KEEP and Ave by Can Att Jens Peschke Tue 4/27/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' > Usually binary attachments are not welcome on mailing lists, > Well said, Antonio! Usually someone uploads binaries onto a web site > and mails the link only to mailing lists - for those who are interested. > Best Regards > Jens Thanks for the pictures; they are very cool. But please direct all binary files to listowner-tadream@o..., NOT to the list. There is also a 'Shared Files' section where I have uploaded these files. FYI: the onelist admin team is in the process of creating the ability for me to disable all binary attachments. As soon as this capability is available, I will switch all attachments 'off'. In the meantime, I have added a 'no attachments' message to the 'Welcome Message' that people receive upon subscribing. thank you, Joe Shoults listowner From: 'Plumer, Scott' From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Jens Peschke [mailto:jpeschke@h...] ... > to identify. Noone knows what it was although more than 50 people > downloaded the small lofi mpeg I've uploaded onto my web site. ... What is your URL, Jens? I'll link to it on the tadream site... -joe From: tadream-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx Date: Mon Apr 26, 1999 6:49 pm Subject: New Survey Hello, There is a new survey for the tadream community. 'Best of' SURVEY #2 of 5 covering different periods of TD stuio-release albums: ...The �Virgin Years� (1973-1983)... Please select your single choice of the best album from the Virgin Years. Results will be permanently posted and available from http://tadream.copfer.com. ---- Possible answers are: o Phaedra o Rubycon o Ricochet o Stratosfear o Sorcerer o Encore o Cyclone o Force Majeure o Pergamon (Quichotte) o Tangram o Exit o Thief o White Eagle o Logos - Live at the Dominion o Hyperborea To vote, please visit the following web page: http://www.onelist.com/surveycenter/tadream Thanks! tadream Owner Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16188 New Survey tadream-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx Fri 4/30/1999 1 KB 16189 Re: New Survey Sean Montgomery Fri 4/30/1999 1 KB 16190 Re: New Survey Joe Shoults Sat 5/1/1999 2 KB 16196 Re: New Survey j.gordon Sat 5/1/1999 2 KB 16198 New Survey tadream-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx Sat 5/1/1999 2 KB 16230 New Survey Sean Montgomery Mon 5/3/1999 1 KB 16231 Re: New Survey Plumer, Scott Mon 5/3/1999 1 KB 16235 Re: New Survey Joe Shoults Mon 5/3/1999 2 KB 16415 New Survey tadream-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx Fri 5/14/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' From: Marcelo Gutierrez Just in case someone is interested, > it's cat # is EAT CD1001, > the very first release of Rob Essers EAT (Esser Audio Tools) label. > > Best Regards > > Jens > > np: Can Attila - Ave :-) > > PS: I'm not associated with EAT or the artist > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for a new hobby? Want to make a new friend? > http://www.ONElist.com > Come join one of the 130,000 e-mail communities at ONElist! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Joe Shoults' > What is your URL, Jens? I'll link to it on the tadream site... Just changed my provider and it's not all included after using a new design. Anyway it's at http://home.htp-tel.de/jpeschke The reviews section is now at the goldtri member page which is linked from http://www.goldtri.org While being there check a few snippets of my own stuff at http://home.htp-tel.de/jpeschke/f_sounds.htm. I'd recommend the large IEM track with Kent Eskildsen (that rockin' guitar), Tony Anderson (aka Kenton Files some of you might know from the Tangerine Ambience samplers) and Ruud Heij (if you got a quick and free internet access). It's not released yet, so you get an 18 minutes track for (almost) free. Doing music is a lot of fun, but it's even more fun to share with others. That was the reason why I'm really looking forward to that tadream members 2CDR project... Speaking of the members web site. How about a section with member piccies ? I'm really interested to know the faces behind a few names. How's that mate looking who did all the work in setting up this most enjoyable mailing list, eh ? ;-) Best Regards Jens PS: The Keep TDI CD's already gone... PPS: Scott Plumer mentioned a delay regarding his MS book. You haven't got one ? Oh my god ! It's a must have for any serious TD collector! I've got mine as a gift from a good friend in the states and it's an excellent one! I'd also recomment Kent Eskildsen's '30 years of Tangerine Dream' book. Paul Stump's 'Digital gothic' on the other hand is a bit too overcritical. YHE should have cared more about the subject (TD, that is) rather than trying to show his skill of elaborated English in almost every sentence. To quote Paul Stump: 'This made Force Majeure, recorded minus the hapless Jolliffe in late 1978, all the more disappointing. A new and incongruous episodic quality was evident; teh tiotle track was setioned nto eight distinct (though linked) portions, and even therein one hears a constant sequencer line. This robs the music of the synthesizers- there seems to be strongly differentiated colours as opposed to the melting ooze of, say Rubycon.' Mind you, this wasn't about half as harsh as what he wrote about White Eagle. Once I finished the book I wondered myself why the heck did he wrote a book about TD ??? From: 'Jens Peschke' From: Marcelo Gutierrez > > Is it widely available? I mean, can I get it from CDNOW or Amazon? Even http://www.groove.nl doesn't list it at the moment. Seems I got one of the first CDs directly from a friend of the label owner. It was the same guy who correctly identified the track as not yet released (some weeks ago) over on the goldtri list. I've promised someone from the States (you know who you are) to buy him a copy so I'll find a source asap and will keep you informed. Best Regards Jens From: Antonio Nunes > Even http://www.groove.nl doesn't list it at the moment. They have it under the letter 'A', here is a copy/paste from their catalog: Atilla, Can AVE..f 30 BTW, I've ordered it last week, after having listened to the track 'Time Border Passengers' (thanks to Jens), and I should receive it soon, together with 'What a Blast'. Antonio From: 'Jens Peschke' From: Antonio Nunes > > Jens Peschke wrote: > > > > Even http://www.groove.nl doesn't list it at the moment. > > They have it under the letter 'A', here is a copy/paste from their > catalog: > > Atilla, Can > AVE..f 30 8-) And I've been looking under 'C' for some reason. They list Dream, Tangerine under 'T' right ?? ;-) > BTW, I've ordered it last week, after having listened to the track 'Time > Border Passengers' (thanks to Jens), and I should receive it soon, > together with 'What a Blast'. Looks like you'll be getting two damn good releases than. 'What A Blast' really is better than I expected. :-) Salute amigo Jens From: 'Joe Shoults' Speaking of the members web site. > How about a section with member piccies ? > I'm really interested to know the faces behind a few names. I agree. I'll be happy to post anyone's picture that wants it on the Member's Links pages at http://tadream.copfer.com! If you don't have a website, I can make it just link to send you direct e-mail. I can put any other info in the 'alt tag'. See the link for Tom George on our Members' Sites page as an example. I think I'll change the name from 'Members' Sites' to 'Members' Links', since not everybody will have a site... maybe separate them into SITE links and EMAIL links... The best way to have me do this is to e-mail the pic and info to me directly- NOT to the list! ;-) -joe From: 'Steven Le Vine' To: Subject: [tadream] New obsesion Date: Sun, Apr 25, 1999, 6:34 PM Monday comes and I've finally been payed. Bab5 Season 5 and loads of TD stuff need to be purchased....... + i'm now off till Weds. :-) The joys of getting payed after 5 weeks. ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: Joel Mullen >To: ''tadream@o...'' >Subject: [tadream] Re: The Keep TDI official 1997 release >Date: Mon, Apr 26, 1999, 12:21 AM > >From: Joel Mullen > >When looking for *the keep* please keep in mind there >are several CD releases that may show up in lists as >'the keep' Not counting several CD-R only releases. > >(1) The Keep by the Fantasy Merchants--- > >(2) The Keep - The Blue Moon Bootleg--- > >If you have any questions regarding tracks or *whatever* let me know. What is >going to happen to your TD collection when you are dead and gone? >Is getting it buried with you a sick idea? I >Regards, > >Joel > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Shop.theglobe.com * One-Stop Shopping * Free Shipping in U.S.! >Live Personal Shopper * Satisfaction Guaranteed * No Hassle Returns! >Accessories, Apparel, Jewelry, Kids, Sporting Goods, Apparel, More!! > http://www.onelist.com/ad/shoptheglobe0 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, >and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our >website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. >Thank you! > From: Gabe Yedid Looks like you'll be getting two damn good releases than. > 'What A Blast' really is better than I expected. :-) > > Salute amigo > > Jens You, Jens, really enthusiastic about a new TD release? Are you sure you're feeling OK today? ;) I just hope _What A Blast_ is among the TDI albums the guy at Rock En Stock in Montreal is getting next week. btw, Jens, can you please send me prices for the Can Attila disc as well as _A Lizard's Walk_ by Rob Essers? I may be interested in acquiring these, if the price if right... cheers, Gabe From: Joel Mullen From: 'Steven Le Vine' > > Dear Joel, > > The one I have on order says the manufacurer is in the UK. Not really much > more info, no catalog#. The other 2 listed say that they are distributed by > Virgin. The prices range from $19.75 to $22.90 (+15%) Please advise. > > By the way, that last comment was really morbid. I mean, I think we all > would agree that TD will definitely be played at each of out funerals, > but... > > siberkat The one made in the UK is probably the 'blue moon' bootleg release. So you will NOT be getting the official release and I am sure you want the official one as *we* don't condone bootlegs right? The Virgin release is a false alarm. There was a scheduled release of the official TD soundtrack this last August. It was pulled due to legal reasons and THAT info never made it out to alot of suppliers. So there are lots of people ordering and reordering that Virgin release that does not exist. IF it ever does come to light this list will be the place to find out. And the TDI web-site I am sure. So I hate to discourage you, but you might try and find other TD releases for the time being. Try something easy like 'L'affaire Wallriff' or 'Rumplestiltskin' That will *keep* you busy. ;-) Regards, Joel BTW I was half joking and half serious about what to do with the *collection* when I am gone. After all it is *worth* in my opinion over $16,000 and I am sure that there are many other collectors who have TD worth double that in their possession. It is big money but by no means *beanie baby* money :-D But it would be a shame to have it all go at a yard sale... Mine anyway. It would be great to stumble across an all TD yard sale. Everything goes for $.25 each. It would be like the old *porsche in the barn* story... From: Daventura From: 'Joe Shoults' From: Daventura |> Anyway, I was wandering around the web and found this cool |> 'Legend' FAQ site, check it out at... |> http://www.figmentfly.com/legend/question6.html |> Lots of interesting info....David Cool site, Dave. They go into interesting detail about things like how poorly edited the film was, but I think, and I may be biased here ;-), they are way off the mark with their scathing review of the TD-version soundtrack. I hadn't seen the movie since it first came out, so I rented it last night. The soundtrack is great! Where the reviewer says the 'inorganic' synthesizers took away from the movie, I think they actually added an other-worldy, surreal feel (and the pan flute was appropriate). After all, we're talking about fairy-land here. But after the first couple of paragraphs, it is obvious the reviewer worships the ground Jerry goldsmith walks on, or just hates EM. Actually, he made references that inaccurately lumped TD in with 'pop' music, showing he doesn't really have a clue... Anyways, I 'like' the movie, but it is pretty much aimed at the teen crowd. Might rent it again if a Director's Cut ever came out and replaced some of the missing 30 minutes... -joe From: Joel Mullen From: Daventura > > Sixteen THOUSAND? You really need to get a life. Having said that, > I need to go, I don't want to miss my Obsessive/Compulsive Disorder > support group. Hehe...But seriously, how do come up with $16,000? > 800 times $20? 400 times $40? 200 times $80? Of course, I know you > have a shitload of bootlegs, but don't you remember... They are worth > NOTHING on this list. Even at FIFTY dollars a disc for my collection, > I still only came up with $4000. And it would take me a lifetime to find > some yahoo willing to pay me $50 a disc. Maybe you have that RARE > nude Polaroid of Edgar that I've heard about, it must be the bulk of that > 16 grand figure. Perhaps you have 600 copies of Scott's BOOK and a grand > worth of CD's...As always, should you or any of your TDI force be caught, > or captured, the secretary will disavow any knowledge....David Gee Dave you are right, I had my numbers all screwed up. After an update I find that I have 820 items (a double CD counts as 2) totaling $17,885. I was putting a value of $2.57 on each of them and a value of $15,777.60 on Scott's book. It IS worth it BTW, just ask him. ;-) Joel From: 'Plumer, Scott' Gee Dave you are right, I had my numbers all screwed up. After an update >I find that I have 820 items (a double CD counts as 2) totaling $17,885. I was >putting a value of $2.57 on each of them and a value of $15,777.60 on Scott's >book. It IS worth it BTW, just ask him. ;-) Well, I don't like to brag, but I just traded a copy for Monet's 'Waterlilies,' and the guy I got it from seemed like he got the better end of the deal. Looks great over my couch, but I wish the cat would stop sharpening his claws on it... :-) You laugh, but I had a rider put on my renter's insurance to cover my tape collection. I explained that it's not the tapes themselves, but the contents, which are in some cases priceless. I estimated the value at $20 per tape, that being the going rate for ROIO CD's, and came up with a total value of $6000. That was about two years ago. Just for comparison, I paid $900 for my car. Scott From: rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx Date: Tue Apr 27, 1999 3:03 pm Subject: Destination Berlin I seem to understand someone is looking for Destination Berlin? I have a copy available to trade: anyone interested please contact me off list. Dream on Riccardo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16269 Destination Berlin Andy Bloyce Sat 5/8/1999 1 KB 16275 Re: Destination Berlin cosmos Sun 5/9/1999 2 KB From: 'Jens Peschke' From: Gabe Yedid > > You, Jens, really enthusiastic about a new TD release? Are you sure > you're feeling OK today? ;) LOL. Well, to be honest, after the Dream Dice desaster my expections were in fact quite low. I mean the Hollywood Years and the bonus single in particular. But 'WHat a blast' is even better (all IMO of course) than the good stuff on DD (Trans. & Voxel Ux). > btw, Jens, can you please send me prices for the Can Attila disc as well > as _A Lizard's Walk_ by Rob Essers? I may be interested in acquiring > these, if the price if right... Whyt do you mean ? I'm not selling any of those. But check http://www.groove.nl/catcd_us.html Atilla, Can AVE..US$ 14.25 Essers, Rob A LIZARDS WALK..US$ 14.25 Given the normal prices we have here in Euroland both are quite cheap. (at festivals 30-35 Guilders, in the shop up to 40 Guilders = 20USD). And that's if you live in mainland europe. The prices in the UK are a tad higher. Best Regards Jens From: 'Jens Peschke' From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > Won't be at e-live, but will almost certainly be at Alfa 7! Really ? :-) I've been talking with Grant about that very topic and he was sure you'd never make it to any festival. Looks like ALfa 7 will have a biggy as main act. What did he told you ? ;-) Best Regards Jens From: 'Steven Le Vine' > From: 'Steven Le Vine' >> >> >> The one I have on order says the manufacurer is in the UK. >> siberkat > >From: Joel Mullen *we* don't condone bootlegs right? CORRECT! >Virgin release is a false alarm. THAT info never made it out to alot of suppliers. THOSE BASTARDS! > So I hate to discourage you, but you might >try and find other TD releases for the time being. Try something easy >like 'L'affaire Wallriff' or 'Rumplestiltskin' That will *keep* you busy. ;-) > >Regards, > >Joel > >BTW I was half joking and half serious about what to do with the *collection* >when I am gone. From: Joel Mullen From: 'Steven Le Vine' > > Dear Joel, > > Well I'm on my way to the roof, I've contacted my attorney & put a clause in > my will leaving all my TD Cd's to you (I mean if you want like, doubles & > triples of the stuff you already have. I mean, no one I know would want > them. right?). DON'T JUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > But, I've left my 'Destination Berlin' (the import) to Shadow & to a man > who I am sure is in need of another copy of 'TYGER', I bequeath mine to my > friend J. Gordon. What about me!?! I only have 7 copies of TYGER on CD ---- Austria Caroline CAROL CD 1341 Germany Jive/Zomba 8.26475 ZP Austria Jive/Zomba CHIP 47 Austria Jive/Zomba CHIP 47 (24k Gold CD) England Castle ESM CD 367 USA Sequel 1048-2 USA Relativity 88561-1055-2 (w/extra track) > > Well, I can still 'dream' can't I? I don't know.. Is that copywrited or not? > > I think maybe I saw 'Rumplestiltskin' listed somewhere. Is it any good? Yes it is very good, but I am afraid I was pulling your leg. It is not easy to find either. And neither is 'L'affaire'.. The joy of the hunt!! BTW I do have an extra 'Rumpelstiltskin' VHS (still sealed) that I have available for trade. That is assuming you survive the fall.. ;-) > > Maybe I should I should get 'Rubycon' or 'Cyclone' first b4 I venture into > 'The Keep'. Oh sure go for the easy ones you wuss! > > By the way Joel, are you in good health? I mean, when you go, if I can maybe > get your copy of 'The Keep'? I mean 799 is a nice round number. Right? > Yes, but I have 820 items.... and 819 just happens to be my un-lucky number. Go figure! Dream Regards, Joel From: 'Poulton, Larry' Dear Joel, Well I'm on my way to the roof, I've contacted my attorney & put a clause in my will leaving all my TD Cd's to you (I mean if you want like, doubles & triples of the stuff you already have. I mean, no one I know would want them. right?). But, I've left my 'Destination Berlin' (the import) to Shadow & to a man who I am sure is in need of another copy of 'TYGER', I bequeath mine to my friend J. Gordon. Well, I can still 'dream' can't I? I think maybe I saw 'Rumplestiltskin' listed somewhere. Is it any good? Maybe I should I should get 'Rubycon' or 'Cyclone' first b4 I venture into 'The Keep'. By the way Joel, are you in good health? I mean, when you go, if I can maybe get your copy of 'The Keep'? I mean 799 is a nice round number. Right? 'Next year in Jerusalem.' siberkat >> From: 'Steven Le Vine' >> >> >> The one I have on order says the manufacurer is in the UK. >> siberkat > >From: Joel Mullen *we* don't condone bootlegs right? CORRECT! >Virgin release is a false alarm. THAT info never made it out to alot of suppliers. THOSE BASTARDS! > So I hate to discourage you, but you might >try and find other TD releases for the time being. Try something easy >like 'L'affaire Wallriff' or 'Rumplestiltskin' That will *keep* you busy. ;-) > >Regards, > >Joel > >BTW I was half joking and half serious about what to do with the *collection* >when I am gone. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tired of empty chat rooms and out of date bulletin boards? http://www.ONElist.com ONElist: Making the Internet Intimate ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. Thank you! _____________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16131 Re: Mortal Coil Plumer, Scott Wed 4/28/1999 1 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Apr 28, 1999 11:44 am Subject: Re: Mortal Coil (shuffle, shuffle) Who would appreciate the bequest? j.gordon here... Now when I shuffle, shuffle off this mortal coil, I've made strict arrangements to have my body dumped in the backwoods of Montana to feed the bears and wolves... so it should be fairly obvious what could be done with my collection of TD... scatter it all over the jungles of China... for who better to feed upon the mastery of TD than... wait for it... Tygers! \|/ :-< /|\ j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' > But, I've left my 'Destination Berlin' (the import) to Shadow & to a man > > who I am sure is in need of another copy of 'TYGER', I bequeath mine to my > > friend J. Gordon. And I need it... look at this guy below... 7 copies!! I feel completely impovershed with only two... USA Sequel 1048-2 USA Relativity 88561-1055-2 (w/extra track) > What about me!?! I only have 7 copies of TYGER on CD ---- > > Austria Caroline CAROL CD 1341 > Germany Jive/Zomba 8.26475 ZP > Austria Jive/Zomba CHIP 47 > Austria Jive/Zomba CHIP 47 (24k Gold CD) > England Castle ESM CD 367 > USA Sequel 1048-2 > USA Relativity 88561-1055-2 (w/extra track) > > > oh, woe is me... :) j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Michael A. Jean' > Whyt do you mean ? I'm not selling any of those. But check > http://www.groove.nl/catcd_us.html > > Atilla, Can > AVE..US$ 14.25 > > Essers, Rob > A LIZARDS WALK..US$ 14.25 > > Given the normal prices we have here in Euroland > both are quite cheap. (at festivals 30-35 Guilders, in the shop up to 40 > Guilders > = 20USD). And that's if you live in mainland europe. The prices in the > UK > are a tad higher. > > Best Regards > > Jens > From: 'Plumer, Scott' Its a bit of a macabre topic, but who would we all leave our cherished TD >collections to when we shuffle off this mortal coil to that big gig in the >sky? Who would appreciate the bequest? For me it would be my best friend Rob Since I work in a library, all my stuff would probably go to them. Except my copy of The Keep. That's going with me. :-) Scott From: 'Plumer, Scott' And I need it... look at this guy below... 7 copies!! I feel completely >impovershed with only two... > USA Sequel 1048-2 > USA Relativity 88561-1055-2 (w/extra track) I only have it on vinyl! Am I pathetic or what? Scott From: Joel Mullen From: 'j.gordon' > > > > > But, I've left my 'Destination Berlin' (the import) to Shadow & to a man > > > who I am sure is in need of another copy of 'TYGER', I bequeath mine to my > > > friend J. Gordon. > > And I need it... look at this guy below... 7 copies!! I feel completely > impovershed with only two... > > USA Sequel 1048-2 > USA Relativity 88561-1055-2 (w/extra track) > > > What about me!?! I only have 7 copies of TYGER on CD ---- > > > > > Austria Caroline CAROL CD 1341 > > Germany Jive/Zomba 8.26475 ZP > > Austria Jive/Zomba CHIP 47 > > Austria Jive/Zomba CHIP 47 (24k Gold CD) > > England Castle ESM CD 367 > > USA Sequel 1048-2 > > USA Relativity 88561-1055-2 (w/extra track) > > > > > > > > oh, woe is me... :) > > j.gordon Damn! I forgot I really have 9. The last 2 are 'Made in Russia' I don't want to speak of bootlegs but these are not boots. In Russia a *legal* CD cost a few weeks wages. So some *enterprisers* run duplication mills where they run off a thousand copies of some legal release. Mostly Madonna and artists like that, but they do TD on occasion. It is a problem for artists, but what can they do? It is Russia. The two Russian Tygers I have have slightly different covers. They both are copies of the Castle remaster. One trys (and succeeds) to duplicate all the Castle markings and copywrights. The other uses the same art, but the fonts are different and there is NO manufacturer or copywright information. Don't ask for me to trade off any of my Russian collection. I am so disgusted by the practice I am going to melt them all down and throw them away. ;-) Joel From: 'j.gordon' I am going to melt them all down and throw them away. > oh, that's right, rub it in... ;-) j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Joel Mullen From: Bennett Cookson Is everyone asleep?? Or are you just working for a living..;-) We must work for a living... because 'there is no such thing as a free concert' (no free lunches either) --Bennett From: Joel Mullen From: Bennett Cookson > > > > Is everyone asleep?? Or are you just working for a > living..;-) > We must work for a living... because 'there is no such > thing as a free concert' (no free lunches either) > > --Bennett Speaking of which, did TDI ever admit their mistake to you? Dammit they owe you something. They screwed up. More people got the right *wrong* answere to the final question than go the wrong *right* answer. Or whatever. Joel From: 'koulos' To: Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 11:08 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Wake up! > From: Bennett Cookson > > > > Is everyone asleep?? Or are you just working for a > living..;-) > We must work for a living... because 'there is no such > thing as a free concert' (no free lunches either) > > --Bennett > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. > http://www.onelist.com > ONElist: The leading provider of free e-mail list services! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! > From: Bennett Cookson From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: Daventura From: 'Steven Le Vine' Is everyone asleep?? Or are you just working for a living..;-) Joel From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Steven Le Vine' >> >> Dear Joel, >> >> Well I'm on my way to the roof, I've contacted my attorney & put a clause in >> my will leaving all my TD Cd's to you >DON'T JUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >> >> I think maybe I saw 'Rumplestiltskin' listed somewhere. Is it any good? > >Yes it is very good, but I am afraid I was pulling your leg. It is not easy to >find either. I am serious! I think I saw it somewhere! I guess I'll have to leave 'The Keep' & try to hook up with 'Rumplestiltskin'. >> 'Rubycon' or 'Cyclone' > >Oh sure go for the easy ones you wuss! I was thinking the 'Hardcore' fan would be amused with me trying to get into 'Keepdom' when I don't have all the semi-readily available studio CDs. > >See ya at the WWW Mall, in the CD department. siberkat > > From: 'Steven Le Vine' USA Sequel 1048-2 But if you really need it J. Gordon, all you need to do is ask. siberkat >From: 'j.gordon' > > >> > But, I've left my 'Destination Berlin' (the import) to Shadow & to a man >> > who I am sure is in need of another copy of 'TYGER', I bequeath mine to my >> > friend J. Gordon. > >And I need it... look at this guy below... 7 copies!! I feel completely >impovershed with only two... > > USA Sequel 1048-2 > USA Relativity 88561-1055-2 (w/extra track) > >> What about me!?! I only have 7 copies of TYGER on CD ---- > >> >> Austria Caroline CAROL CD 1341 >> Germany Jive/Zomba 8.26475 ZP >> Austria Jive/Zomba CHIP 47 >> Austria Jive/Zomba CHIP 47 (24k Gold CD) >> England Castle ESM CD 367 >> USA Sequel 1048-2 >> USA Relativity 88561-1055-2 (w/extra track) >> >> >> > >oh, woe is me... :) > >j.gordon From: Gabe Yedid From: Daventura > I will join you in a TD boycott...oh wait...that was someone else for > some other reason, wasn't it? And on some other list... (gee, now how would I know that?) Gabe From: 'cinemafan' From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Thu Apr 29, 1999 4:16 am Subject: Re: TD boycott Gabe Yedid wrote: > > From: Gabe Yedid > > On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, Daventura wrote: > > > From: Daventura > > I will join you in a TD boycott...oh wait...that was someone else for > > some other reason, wasn't it? > > And on some other list... (gee, now how would I know that?) Given the number of TD releases that put me down last year I shouldn't have listened to any TD in 1999... ;-) ..which of course wasn't the case. :-) You are kidding Carl , right ? Stop scaring people with TD on the motorways you silly, silly puppy. ;-) I can already see the headline in the yellow press. 'What a blast on the M5 ! Priest *van* Carl got caught after celebrating a TD mess on the M5 - blast 'em!' ;-) Best Regards Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16150 Re: TD boycott Gabe Yedid Thu 4/29/1999 2 KB From: 'Michael A. Jean' Date: Thu Apr 29, 1999 4:37 am Subject: Re: Wake up (to a sad sad story) Come one guys...Right or wrong the sponsor makes the final decision...I didn't win the Easter Island contest, but I didn't cry about it... If you want to see the show just GO....Thats what I did in 1996 (London)... MJ, Chicago > -----Original Message----- > From: Bennett Cookson [mailto:Bennett.Cookson@O...] > > Listening to TD is just to painful anymore... so I must put other music in > my CD player... Just living form day to day, waiting for a message... > > --Bennett > > np: Vangelis El Greco (excellent music! Kind of sad in parts, but that > fits the mood...) > From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu Apr 29, 1999 4:54 am Subject: Re: TD boycott On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Jens Peschke wrote: > From: 'Jens Peschke' > Given the number of TD releases that put me down last year > I shouldn't have listened to any TD in 1999... ;-) > ..which of course wasn't the case. :-) And it's a mistake you're kinda glad you made, right? ;) BTW, I checked out Groove's web site finally...for those in a position similar to mine, Groove does, in fact, list prices in Canadian dollars for most of their catalog. Happily, the releases I have been considering seem to be VERY reasonable for imports (compared to most prices for similar items in my area)--but that's not including shipping. > in the yellow press. 'What a blast on the M5 ! > Priest *van* Carl got caught after celebrating a TD mess on the M5 > - blast 'em!' ;-) > Jens Gabe From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Date: Thu Apr 29, 1999 8:30 am Subject: Re: to Craig + Second Hand Goods >> From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > >> Won't be at e-live, but will almost certainly be at Alfa 7! > >Really ? :-) I've been talking with Grant about that very topic >and he was sure you'd never make it to any festival. > >Looks like ALfa 7 will have a biggy as main act. > >What did he told you ? ;-) > After the stories about D. Tw L., doyou can't stop me! 8-) TD Content : This month's SMD magazine shows a huge collection of TD-related items in their second hand section. Schulze, Wahnfried, Haslinger, Franke and TD items, including ..... Oranges Don't Dance promo CD for �20. Contact Dave Law via david@n... to check availability of this item. Or go to their web-page to view their stock. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'cinemafan' From: 'Lawry Simm' That's what I read when it was released, can't remember where. Maybe I misunderstood. Apologies if I've > misled anybody, that was never my intention. > Does anybody know for sure how many were made? I have always maintained that there were _AT LEAST_ 150 in the stack on sale at the Manchester gig in 1997, which was about the ninth date on the tour. They were selling like hot cakes (I bought half a dozen copies myself) so there was no way that only 150 were made..... Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16155 Re: The Keep 1997 edition Plumer, Scott Thu 4/29/1999 2 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Excuse the personal message here, but are you sure it's me? I sent a report to > the Goldtri mailing list, and now Grant (from UtD) tells me he forwarded that, > along with a couple of others, to Graham Getty of SMD. I didn't realise it was > going to be in the program. They might have asked first! 8) I too was rather shocked to pay for a program and then to read a 'concert report' written by me... I thought that I had never written one.. until I realised it was actually a message I posted to Goldtri... should have got my copy for free I think! *8-) Poor Andy Bloyce didn't even manage to get a copy.. they had sold out.. Regards, Lawry (NOT Lawrie) Simm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16162 Re: Under The Dome Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Fri 4/30/1999 2 KB 16191 Re: Under The Dome Lawry Simm Fri 4/30/1999 1 KB From: 'Plumer, Scott' > That's what I read when it was released, can't remember where. Maybe I misunderstood. Apologies if I've > misled anybody, that was never my intention. > Does anybody know for sure how many were made? I have always maintained that there were _AT LEAST_ 150 in the stack on sale at the Manchester gig in 1997, which was about the ninth date on the tour. They were selling like hot cakes (I bought half a dozen copies myself) so there was no way that only 150 were made..... Lawry ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did you know that we add over 1,000 new e-mail communities every day? http://www.ONElist.com Explore a new hobby, discover a new friend, laugh at a new joke! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. Thank you! From: Bennett Cookson From: Joel Mullen From: Bennett Cookson AnnMurray.com Off topic, but Actually she is one of my wife's favorite artists. I only know of Ann Murray because my wife sang the song 'Can I have this dance' at our wedding. --Bennett From: Bennett Cookson sorry guys, back to TD From: 'j.gordon' vocals the better, the only ones I really like are on the Legend soundtrack. > Chris j.gordon here... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! I understand there are those out there who don't 'Ride the Tyger' as they say, but to compare the lyrical content of William Blake to that of Jon Anderson and/or Bryan Ferry and/or their vocal style to that of Jocelyn Bernadette Smith... well, that's it... Poor Willy (as he was known to be called) is turning over in his own grave (sadly bereft of HIS own TD collection) and Edgar... well, Edgar... umm... well, somebody better be pissed about this... ;-) If you're going to dump that sucker,Chris, dump it in the mailbox with a stamp and my address on the front... I'll see that your estate is credited... :) j.gordon PS anybody have the Shy People soundtrack... or heard the tune Brother or Stranger?... talk about a walk on the Wide side, lyrically... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'Lawry Simm' > >I too was rather shocked to pay for a program and then to read a >'concert report' written by me... I thought that I had never written >one.. until I realised it was actually a message I posted to >Goldtri... should have got my copy for free I think! *8-) > >Poor Andy Bloyce didn't even manage to get a copy.. they had sold >out.. B*gger. And here was I about to ask Dave for a copy as 'payment'. Anyone who went want to off-load their copy to a starving rock journalist? (Lawry, what are we rock-muso's supposed to do now? Hang out with Noel and Liam, hitting on Meg and Patsy?) -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'j.gordon' > >PS >anybody have the Shy People soundtrack... or heard the tune Brother or >Stranger?... talk about a walk on the Wide side, lyrically... All together now ... 'Dancing on a white moon, ....' dig that funky rhythm! Why did TD suddenly feel the need to write pop tunes with lyrics? Craving for commercial acceptance/success afer all those years? -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Poulton, Larry' >From: 'j.gordon' > >PS >anybody have the Shy People soundtrack... or heard the tune Brother or >Stranger?... talk about a walk on the Wide side, lyrically... All together now ... 'Dancing on a white moon, ....' dig that funky rhythm! Why did TD suddenly feel the need to write pop tunes with lyrics? Craving for commercial acceptance/success afer all those years? -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Share the wealth! http://www.ONElist.com Tell a friend about ONElist's 130,000 free e-mail communities! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. Thank you! _____________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: 'j.gordon' _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16176 Re: TPQ Mike Jr. J Schramer Fri 4/30/1999 1 KB 16192 Re: TPQ Steven Le Vine Sat 5/1/1999 2 KB 16197 Re: TPQ Joe Shoults Sat 5/1/1999 3 KB 16207 Re: TPQ Steven Le Vine Sun 5/2/1999 2 KB 16261 Re: TPQ Bennett Cookson Wed 5/5/1999 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' I have the LP of Shy People. People talk about TDs vocal forays on Cyclone > and Tyger being misguided, but I think Shy People is probably the worst > example of inane lyricism (is there such a word?)! The problem is that I > really quite like the music itself, but find myself unable to repeatedly > listen to it too often because of the 'in your face' vocals. j.gordon here... I've only got the title track, which is off of (cough, EO, cough) one of my albums... strange choice of singer too... very weird... Can't go wrong with Blake at the pen, but who actually wrote the lyrics to Shy People... and why? Were they pressured into a 'vocals' song for the soundtrack, or was it an artistic thing... either way, it's... well, different... j.gordon... PS we won't even delve into Brother or Stranger... btw, what is/was City of Shadows... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Shadow' From: 'Shadow' Forgot to tell the world the Sun actually shone all day in the Uk today. > Now that's as rare as the Keep. > Live long and prosper . Carl. You had to say this didn't you!! I'VE BEEN STUCK INSIDE ALL DAY. As for the Keep if you have any trouble try MVC They say they can get it. How'd the fishing holiday go? :-) ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Shadow' Hey Shadow, >They got TD CDs on the rim? >'Sleeping in Light' here you come! This week I've been beyond the Rim.......... I think 'Sleeping in light' may need to be purchased from an official B5 mail-order chap. Then if my ordered CDs' don't come in soon we can always play it for the funeral of the MVC staff. I think I will get the Drahk to infest the MVC dudes with Keepers. Control of the Stockist is the key............ I really really really need to stop watching my vids...........:-) ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Shadow' But, I've left my 'Destination Berlin' (the import) to Shadow & to a man >who I am sure is in need of another copy of 'TYGER', I bequeath mine to my >friend J. Gordon. THANX Steven I will keep it in a place of honour. Remembering the kindest guy I knew........... < Right j.G. let out the TYGERS> :-) ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow > From: 'Shadow' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Hi folks! Carl here . Just had to let you all know about the unforeseen > costs of playing What a Blast. > Yesterday was stopped by the long arm of the Law for playing What a Blast > in the van )at a Volume level the police believed was sure to cause a major > road accident due to most people at traffic lights listening to TD rather > than watching the road. Nice fine of about �40.00. > Today playing the same album only this time at speed ( the van that is )on > the Motorway Blew both rear speakers ( Far to much bass ) replacement cost � > 120.00 > Total costs for spreading the word � 160.00 . A small price to pay for my > continued dedication to attempt to educate the musically retarded. > > BEWARE! Very broke Carl. Sorry to hear about this Carl But as you will read i've had my problems just trying to get this album. I may give it a miss. NOT!!!! Bab5 series 5 is adequate. To be honest it's on par with the first series............. At least the musics good... ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenne, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Shadow' From: 'Joe Shoults' From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 oh yes I've also ordered 'The Keep' >They promised me it is now available in the UK. > Which 'Keep' is it they are getting for you? And how can they find this rare item and not What a Blast which is fairly easily available? I'm also waiting patiently for WaB and Sohoman too, althogh at least the order went out today. I have Coma Virus - Hidden to keep me company in the mean-time. OOoooooooh, mummy...... -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' From: 'Plumer, Scott' Q - (sorry i'm a little in the dark about this 1) what is this 'what a >blast' album (another soundtrack)?? thanx 4 your help. - mike Yes, it's a soundtrack to a documentary about buildings being blown up. No, I'm not kidding. Scott From: 'j.gordon' LEGEND > > Is this worth a look at?? j.gordon here... yup... I liked mine even more after hearing extended versions of certain songs... (cough, cough) j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Joe Shoults' From: TJames0001@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Apr 30, 1999 6:49 pm Subject: Re: StimPack5 clarification Thanks for the info joe From: 'koulos' From: 'Plumer, Scott' From: 'koulos' From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > Koulos, do you know the date of TD's concert in Athens in 1984? Thanks. > > Scott > > From: 'Alan Benson' From: 'j.gordon' P.S. As for 'Tyger' -- when I got around to collecting all the vinyl (the > black gold), then the vocals really began to sing! Admittedly, this > one took it's sweet time to fully appreciate -- just like fine aged > wine. 'nuff said... j.gordon here... See?... See? j.gordon... PS... Nice Ode, Alan... hums it up nicely... I mean sums it up... :) > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Joe Shoults' From: tadream-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx Date: Fri Apr 30, 1999 10:01 pm Subject: New Survey Hello, There is a new survey for the tadream community. 'Best of' SURVEY #3 of 5 covering different periods of TD regular-release albums: ...The �Blue Years� (1984-1987)...
Please select your single choice of the best album from the 'Blue Years'. Results will be permanently posted and available from http://tadream.copfer.com. ---- Possible answers are: o Poland - The Warsaw Concert o Le Parc o Dream Sequence o Underwater Sunlight To vote, please visit the following web page: http://www.onelist.com/surveycenter/tadream Thanks! tadream Owner From: Sean Montgomery From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@m...] > Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 6:09 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Re: New Survey > > > From: Sean Montgomery > > > Errr..... Well, I know this probably wouldn't get many votes anyway, but > you seem to have left off Tyger. Also, the Virgin Years survey included > soundtracks (Sorcerer, Thief). Might the 'Blue Years' list include > Firestarter, Flashpoint, Wavelength, The Park is Mine, Heartbreakers, Shy > People, etc etc etc?? > > > > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You can now easily share photos and documents with your fellow > list members > http://www.ONElist.com > Check out our homepage for details on how to use our new shared > files feature! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in > your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for > more info. > Thank you! > From: 'Lawry Simm' B*gger. And here was I about to ask Dave for a copy as 'payment'. Anyone who > went want to off-load their copy to a starving rock journalist? (Lawry, what > are we rock-muso's supposed to do now? Hang out with Noel and Liam, hitting on > Meg and Patsy?) Yeah fine... don't fancy yours much though.... From: 'Steven Le Vine' >j.gordon here... > >Why do you like TD? >j.gordon > From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'John Marchington' From: 'j.gordon' I only have it on vinyl! Am I pathetic or what? > > Scott > j.gordon here... ummmm... well, I guess that would depend on how MANY copies of it on viynl you had... :) j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16201 Re: Pathetically Vinyl Plumer, Scott Sat 5/1/1999 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Errr..... I believe you meant GRRRRRR... Well, I know this probably wouldn't get many votes anyway, but > you seem to have left off Tyger. Actually, with all the recent hub-bub, I would expect it to run a close second... :) > Also, the Virgin Years survey included > soundtracks (Sorcerer, Thief). Might the 'Blue Years' list include > Firestarter, Flashpoint, Wavelength, The Park is Mine, Heartbreakers, Shy > People, etc etc etc?? Here Here... (and not here, here, kitty, kitty) ;) j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Joe Shoults' j.gordon here... ... |> Why do you like TD? ==================== |> From: Steven Le Vine [mailto:siberkat@b...] ...|> we all talk |> about the TD CD that we did'nt like at first & now listen to it all the |> time. Also, I can listen to it at work all the time, all the |> CDs (I have). |> Try doing that with 'Zepelin 1' or 'The Wall'. ==================== I did. After my 1st year of college break up with my high school sweetheart. Listened to 'The Wall' for, like, a whole very depressed semester. Resulted in academic probation... One good thing came out of it, though: my roommate got so fed up with it, he moved in with his girlfriend and pretty much stayed gone all the time. ;-) Then a frat brother turned me on to Tangram whilst I was.... well, let's just say there was a sort of good 'chemistry' with TD the first time. which seemed...to...fit...right...in...with...... ............ uh, what was I saying? Oh yeah- so it was like love at first hearing. Not only did I love the psychedlic aspects of it, but the smooth synthesized bass tones made my dorm room laser shows work much better! Aah, fond memories of psychedlic Grateful Dead and TD-soaked college days allow me to live vicariously in my own past... Then I began to like the idea that I was part of a sort of musical intelligentsia. TD, as we all know, is perennially recognized much less than they deserve. I sorta liked the feeling of exclusivity that accompanied that fact, but felt compelled to help the rest of the world in a Johnny Appleseed sort of way. So, here was something relatively rare I could turn people on to. And legal. But anyway, I got a big kick of playing it on the campus radio station (that's where I got my THE KEEP LP) and turning on people from my grandma to the rest of the north side of campus, as we blasted it out of the front of the frat house with my huge speakers, bombarding unwitting Madonna fans with sounds that made them walk around with their heads cocked sideways like a dog does when you whistle and hum at the same time. So I still play it at my exhibit at business trade shows (only not as loud!). I have found it is a better attractor than giving out stupid inflatable toys, pens or candy to 'trick or treaters'. Not only are the right albums classy enough to provide a nice ambience for the executive crowd I want to attract, they've got just enough geeky mysterious techno-ish sound to attract the propeller-head clients I want. I'm convinced that the music is like a brain magnet. I mean, I don't see a lot of really dumb people listening to TD, do you? Hey, I love Lynyrd Skynyrd too, but... well, I won't go there. -joe np: ekoostik hookah- dubbabuddha next: Rusted Root- remember oh, and just kiddin about the keep. . . . . From: tadream-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx Date: Sat May 1, 1999 4:29 am Subject: New Survey Hello, There is a new survey for the tadream community.

'Best of TD Soundtracks' Survey:
(We'll get back to the 'Years' surveys later...# 3 of 5: The �Blue Years� (1984-1987) is next.)

Please select your single choice of the best TD soundtrack album from the list shown.

Results will be permanently posted and available from http://tadream.copfer.com .

---- Possible answers are: o The Man Inside o Deadly Care o Zoning o Near Dark o Three O'clock High o Canyon Dreams o Destination Berlin o Catch me if You Can o Dead Solid Perfect o Shy People o The Park is Mine o Legend o Wavelength o Risky Business o Firestarter o Flashpoint o Heartbreakers o What a Blast! o Transsiberia o Thief o Miracle Mile o Oasis o The Keep o Sorcerer To vote, please visit the following web page: http://www.onelist.com/surveycenter/tadream Thanks! tadream Owner From: 'Joe Shoults' Possible answers are: |> |> o The Man Inside |> o Deadly Care |> o Zoning |> o Near Dark |> o Three O'clock High |> o Canyon Dreams |> o Destination Berlin |> o Catch me if You Can |> o Dead Solid Perfect |> o Shy People |> o The Park is Mine |> o Legend |> o Wavelength |> o Risky Business |> o Firestarter |> o Flashpoint |> o Heartbreakers |> o What a Blast! |> o Transsiberia |> o Thief |> o Miracle Mile |> o Oasis |> o The Keep |> o Sorcerer |> |> |> To vote, please visit the following web page: |> http://www.onelist.com/surveycenter/tadream Thanks! tadream Owner ------------------------------------------------------------------------ New hobbies? New curiosities? New enthusiasms? http://www.onelist.com Sign up for a new e-mail list today! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. Thank you! From: 'Graf Zeigen' To: Tadream-list Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 1:09 PM Subject: [tadream] StimPack5 clarification > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > Hi all- > Several of you have asked about StimPack- what is it? What's this about mp3 > and RealAudio? Is it a new internet delivery mechanism? Does it have any > extra goodies? What the hell are those crazy teutons talking about, anyway? > > Here's the scoop from TDI: > It's just 5 CDs. A mix-and-match-your-own-boxed-set, if you will. No > multimedia enhancement or anything, just the CDs (in their regular > packaging). The advantage is that you are ordering directly from TDI, and > presumably, not having to worry about the foibles of regular distribution > channels. Obviously, more money goes directly to Ed & Co., which is a good > thing, too. I would rather not my money be filtered through various hands > before it gets to the artist, anyway! Shipping costs are included, so it > doesn't seem like such a bad price. I am assuming you may include > unreleased albums in your order, but I will check to make sure and let you > know. > > The RealAudio and mp3 references were very much a tongue-in-cheek joke that > apparently was widely misconstrued for everything from sarcasm to > overestimation of the amount of ripping of TD music (if there are these > sites out there, I wasn't aware of them!). But that's all it is: just > having fun and trying to spark interest in a new product. > > But here's what you should keep in mind: they have an online ordering form, > and it is not 'secure'. If you are not worried about transmitting your > credit card info over the internet, use the online form; otherwise, use the > fax option. They specifically asked me to clarify this, as they would not > want anyone to take risks out of false comprehension. > > Any other questions? > > -joe > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Did you know that ONElist hosts some of the largest lists on the Internet? > http://www.ONElist.com > Our scaleable system is the most reliable free e-mail service on the Internet! > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! From: 'Plumer, Scott' > I only have it on vinyl! Am I pathetic or what? > > Scott > j.gordon here... ummmm... well, I guess that would depend on how MANY copies of it on viynl you had... :) j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you know why... 'The Closer' picked ONElist to host their baseball humor community? http://www.onelist.com Because of ONElist's reliable service and live customer support! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. Thank you! From: 'Michael A. Jean' > > > I only have it on vinyl! Am I pathetic or what? > > > > Scott > > > > j.gordon here... > > ummmm... well, I guess that would depend on how MANY copies of it on viynl > you > had... :) > > j.gordon > From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' From: 'Plumer, Scott' scott, so, how is 'what a blast' in comparison to t.d.'s other good >soundtracks (to me like 'thief', 'legend, 'miracle mile')? Beats me, because I don't own it. It has been scientifically proven, however, that no soundtrack can be as good as Thief. Some folks on the list do have WaB though, and seem to like it... Scott From: 'j.gordon' Beats me, because I don't own it. It has been scientifically proven, > however, that no soundtrack can be as good as Thief. j.gordon here... do you know that 99% of all scientific reports that come out concerning how good milk is for you are paid for (the reports and the ads) by the dairy industry... ditto for the meat industry... The question is, who was sponsering THIS sci. report?... :) The scientists I use all agree that Miracle Mile cannot be surpassed... but I believe there is an recent survey that allows everybody's scientists to put in their two cents... it's all I can afford to pay them... :) j.gordon... PS My scientists also thought that Tyger was the best soundtrack... when I told them it wasn't a soundtrack, they proved that it was an unsurpassable POTENTIAL soundtrack... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Vic Rek scott, so, how is 'what a blast' in comparison to t.d.'s other good > soundtracks (to me like 'thief', 'legend, 'miracle mile')? It's fanastic! I'm about to take a 'break' with my wife now.... But I hope to hear your review when you get it. Vic From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Joe Shoults' Hey Joe, >|> From: Steven Le Vine [mailto:siberkat@b...] >Also, I can listen to it at work all the time, all the >|> CDs (I have). >|> Try doing that with 'Zepelin 1' or 'The Wall'. >==================== > >I did. After my 1st year of college break up with my high school >sweetheart. Listened to 'The Wall' for, like, a whole very depressed >semester. I did the same thing when the same thing happened at the same time in my life (whew!). I was refering to an office environment. > my roommate got so fed up with it, I was going to mention this in the previous e-mail, I was sharing a large cubicle with a very nice middle aged woman, was playing 'Force Majeure' over & over & after a few hours for the 1st time ever or since, she asked me to stop playing the CD. She said the thumping noise was getting to her (?). siberkat From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- |> > Beats me, because I don't own it. It has been scientifically proven, |> > however, that no soundtrack can be as good as Thief. ... |> do you know that 99% of all scientific reports that come out |> concerning how |> good milk is for you are paid for (the reports and the ads) by the dairy |> industry... ditto for the meat industry... ... |> The scientists I use all agree that Miracle Mile cannot be surpassed... ...|> PS |> My scientists also thought that Tyger was the best soundtrack... |> when I told |> them it wasn't a soundtrack, they proved that it was an |> unsurpassable POTENTIAL soundtrack... From: 'Michael A. Jean' From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > From: 'Michael A. Jean' > > BTH now HAs a website up and running at http://www.hmnetwork.com/ > as does Voyager http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jasonh/ Thought BTH was long defunct. Good to see their still around. I'm still confused as to what they represent though. Are they a retailer? A label? They have a weird selection that seems, er, selective. Dano -- Dan J. Schulte-Progressive Electronic Music Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ From: Daventura From: Daventura From: Daventura From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' From: 'Brian M. Frick' From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' >To: tadream@o... >Subject: [tadream] age >Date: Sun, May 2, 1999, 12:14 PM > > From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' > > > Q - am i the youngest t.d. fan on this mailing list (21)?? j/c. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tired of empty chat rooms and out of date bulletin boards? > http://www.ONElist.com > ONElist: Making the Internet Intimate > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, > and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our > website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > From: Daventura > > Thought I would throw this out. Sorry for the cross post. On or about > Monday, May 10, I will be leaving Southern California for what I hope, > are greener pastures. Well, stay away from Northern CA, I went that route & it sucked! The wife and I are through. My plan is to travel > East, destination somewhat unknown at this time. Dano, you are near > Los Angeles...wanna meet for lunch? Can I sleep in your garage? One of my car's is a hatchback...er...there might be room. Actually, feel free to visit Eli & myself (we'll buy you a few beers if you want & show you how to make a million dollars) down here in Palm Springs. You might even like it down here (until the sun comes out that is). Seriously, > if any of you between here and the East Coast would like to meet, send me > an email. But hurry, I'm pretty sure they will be turning me off in the next > few days. I think everyone you visit should update the list as to your whereabouts. Take a camera & chronicle the mission...& hopefully when you get to the last state, you'll have met the babe of yer dreams. I will be driving my 87 Chevy, which is much like the > Millenium Falcon, she may not look great, but I've made certain modific... > well, you know. > Anyway, I just wanted to say how much I've enjoyed being a part of > this list and that list over the years and months and how much you all mean to me. > Thanks for the memories and keep me in your thoughts, > as I will, you....David This whole thing wouldn't have anything to do with your wife not liking TD would it? Seriously, take care dude...I know the evil you are going through well. Dan -- Dan J. Schulte-Progressive Electronic Music Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ From: Jeff Stevenson From: 'Jens Peschke' From: Jeff Stevenson > > So anyway, thanks again for the assistance and if you are thinking of > getting this set, you might want to do it now. Jeff, getting Tangents is worth all the trouble, the re-worked Encore bits and that rockin' little Phaedra thingy are most notable I.M.O (apart from the unreleased stuff of course). I was fortunate enough to stay in Paris when it came out - back in those days when I could everything with TD on its cover... Best Regards Jens From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' From: 'Mats Winther' From: 'John Marchington' Date: Mon May 3, 1999 10:53 am Subject: Re: Atem Mats, Might I suggest you try the other early albums; 'Electronic Meditation', 'Alpha Centauri', 'Zeit' and 'Green Desert'.They're all great in their own way. 'Zeit' even features four cellos and they make a gorgeous sound. I like the early TD as well. The first three listed came out before 'Atem' and 'Electronic Meditation', in particular, is very experimental in style but quite fascinating. I'm sure you'd like 'Phaedra' , 'Rubycon' and 'Ricochet', too. Much use of electronic sounds. Good luck. John Marchington. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mats Winther To: Sent: Monday, 3 May 1999 07:38 Subject: [tadream] Atem > From: 'Mats Winther' > > What other albums are close to 'Atem' in style? I think Atem is > mesmerizing and there is no monotony at all. Are there others close to > it in style? > > /Mats > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Did you know that we add over 1,000 new e-mail communities every day? > http://www.ONElist.com > Explore a new hobby, discover a new friend, laugh at a new joke! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! > From: 'Michael A. Jean' From: Jeff Stevenson I've been told by just about everyone that they can't get it and > suspect it's OOP. Don't know if this is the case or not I think you are correct that its out of print > but I've been > trying to get it for months and the only place I was able to get was a > record store that happened to have a copy in stock that had sat > there since > they got it in right after it was released.... Probably since there was no description of the contents on the box.... From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung From: XxphyIeX@xxx.xxx Date: Mon May 3, 1999 4:52 pm Subject: nothing important.. just rambling. In a message dated 5/3/99 6:29:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tadream@o... writes: << What other albums are close to 'Atem' in style? I think Atem is mesmerizing and there is no monotony at all. Are there others close to it in style? >> i decided a few weeks ago to listen to all my td cds.. one at a time.. two or three times each.. then put them away as i listened to them.. trying to keep track of what parts of which ones i liked most... after 15 or so of them.. i got to zeit... the only one i have in a double thick jewel box.. and i do remember liking this one once.. but.. i wonder how long it will take me to find out what it was about this cd.. that i liked... i tried listening to it twice last nite... and i just have no idea what it was.. it has totally eluded me now... however... i hadnt wanted to listen to the 220 volt cd since i heard and watched the video that i got first.. of the same show... it wasnt my style at all.. so i put off listening to the cd til this past weekend.. hmmm i think that was a mistake.. as its not the normal td material but still very very good... im personally not a sax lover.. in fact.. when it overpowers the music.. and seems to be the key instrument.. i tend to get sick... i dont like horns.. unless they make the rest of the music.. stand out more.. much of my fave music. is blues... and many blues musicians have decided in the mid to late 80s and early 90s to include sax and other horns in their music.. especially live shows... i have walked out on some of these.. owing to the horrible sound they introduce to the sound.. this is for me now.. not saying anyone agrees.. just how i feel.. anyway. 220 volt is a find cd. and i can skip the sections with the sax.. thankfully they dont seem as obvious on the cd.. and they dont seem to enter the picture til midway thru the cd.. but i must say that the last few trax on the cd are excellent.. even if not very td like... i thoroughly enjoyed this cd.. perhaps why it got a 3rd run thru the player... note.. about 1989 or 90... i got electronic meditation.. on cd.. after not having heard it since nearly ten years earlier.. i do remember thinking it was astounding music. .when i first heard it.. and wanted all things td in my collection... i listened to the cd again for the second time in early 96.. and couldnt figure out what the hell it was that drew me to buy this... maybe it will take a few more listenings to get it.. but i just have no clue what the hell i liked about this disc.. funny how things change.. as we age... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16226 Re: nothing important.. just rambling. Bennett Cookson Mon 5/3/1999 1 KB From: Bennett Cookson From: Bennett Cookson From: Michael A Jean From: Bennett Cookson > > On BTH http://www.hmnetwork.com/ I saw a reference to Living Temples by > Paul Haslinger, anyone heard of this? > --Bennett > > There are two film projects, both directed by Jan Nickman. Living Temples > looks like it will be the first one released, probably sometime early in > '97. It will be a Canyon Dreams-type project, with both video and an album > release, and probably a DVD as well. But unlike Canyon Dreams, I'm doing > something different for the album release-all the pieces are rearranged and > resequenced, and I added parts here and there. So the soundtrack release > will not be the same as the video music, but will be its own album. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for the perfect gift for a friend? > http://www.onelist.com > Tell them about ONElist's 130,000 free e-mail communities! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > > Thank you! > From: JMPoer From: Sean Montgomery From: 'Plumer, Scott' I have a proposal for another survey: Best TD album cover art. Because >there are so many, we'll probably have to have decade semi-finals, leading >to a final cage match. Problem: CD's and LP's and different issues of each often had different artwork. Other than that, good idea! Scott From: 'Thomas' From: Michael A Jean Date: Mon May 3, 1999 6:21 pm Subject: Re: Living Temples I sent Bill Davis a messge inquiring again about a release date... From: TJames0001@a... Date: Mon May 3, 1999 7:30 pm Subject: Re: Tangents Ifound several copies at Blockbuster Music. From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon May 3, 1999 9:46 pm Subject: Re: New Survey Good one. Actually, I think it would be cool to show all of the possible covers for all official releases. I can only offer 25 selections per survey, and only run one survey at a time, so how do you think it should be organized? How about give me lists of 25 each, and I will get the artwork and make the survey? -joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Plumer, Scott [mailto:Scott.Plumer@t...] > Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 2:30 PM > To: 'tadream@o...' > Subject: [tadream] Re: New Survey > > > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >I have a proposal for another survey: Best TD album cover art. Because > >there are so many, we'll probably have to have decade > semi-finals, leading > >to a final cage match. > > Problem: CD's and LP's and different issues of each often had different > artwork. Other than that, good idea! > > Scott > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Share the wealth! > http://www.ONElist.com > Tell a friend about ONElist's 130,000 free e-mail communities! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in > your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for > more info. > Thank you! > From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon May 3, 1999 11:14 pm Subject: any missing album covers? I have put all 63 album covers form TD, TDI sites here: http://tadream.copfer.com/albums.htm. Now what am I missing? -joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16237 Re: any missing album covers? Sean Montgomery Tue 5/4/1999 2 KB 16238 Re: any missing album covers? Dan J. Schulte Tue 5/4/1999 1 KB 16240 Re: any missing album covers? de Kruis, Hans SNV-MCF/9 Tue 5/4/1999 2 KB 16243 Re: any missing album covers? Joe Shoults Tue 5/4/1999 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon May 3, 1999 11:38 pm Subject: Re: any missing album covers? > I have put all 63 album covers form TD, TDI sites here: > http://tadream.copfer.com/albums.htm. Now what am I missing? If y'er going to be a completist, go to Steve Bischoff's page. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/tadream.htm He has a discogaphy with images of all the covers (and he has the SBM Virgin Years covers, which use the full image instead of putting the border around it..and he also includes the original 'red' Tangram cover) Here's what you're missing: Risky Business Wavelength Flashpoint The Park is Mine Firestarter Heartbreakers Legend Deadly Care Near Dark Three O'Clock High Shy People Canyon Dreams Destination Berlin Dead Solid Perfect Catch Me If You Can The Man Inside -The original 'TD Logo' Tyger cover -The original 'stage shot' Livemiles cover SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Date: Tue May 4, 1999 2:12 am Subject: Re: any missing album covers? The Original Tyger cover...gotta get that baby in there! Dano Joe Shoults wrote: > > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > I have put all 63 album covers form TD, TDI sites here: > http://tadream.copfer.com/albums.htm. Now what am I missing? > > -joe > > From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Tue May 4, 1999 7:32 am Subject: (no subject) I have a question about Valentine Wheels. On the cover is written that the credits from Dolphin Dance were for E.F.,C.F and J. Schmoeling. is this wrong, Dolphin Dance comes from Underwater Sunlight which was written by E.F, C.F. and P. Hasslinger. Who is the real co-writer? greetings Bert Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16245 Re: (no subject) Dan J. Schulte Tue 5/4/1999 1 KB 16270 (no subject) Carl & Jacqui Kearney Sat 5/8/1999 1 KB 16271 (no subject) Carl & Jacqui Kearney Sat 5/8/1999 2 KB 16419 (no subject) no email address Thu 1/1/1970 1 KB 16420 (no subject) no email address Thu 1/1/1970 1 KB 16421 (no subject) no email address Thu 1/1/1970 1 KB 16422 (no subject) no email address Thu 1/1/1970 1 KB 16423 (no subject) no email address Thu 1/1/1970 1 KB 16424 (no subject) no email address Thu 1/1/1970 1 KB From: 'de Kruis, Hans SNV-MCF/9' Date: Tue May 4, 1999 7:41 am Subject: Re: any missing album covers? For a list owner you should know this by yourself, I think. > ---------- > From: Sean Montgomery[SMTP:sean@m...] > Sent: dinsdag 4 mei 1999 1:38 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Re: any missing album covers? > > From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > I have put all 63 album covers form TD, TDI sites here: > > http://tadream.copfer.com/albums.htm. Now what am I missing? > > If y'er going to be a completist, go to Steve Bischoff's page. > > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/tadream.htm > > He has a discogaphy with images of all the covers (and he has the SBM > Virgin Years covers, which use the full image instead of putting the > border around it..and he also includes the original 'red' Tangram cover) > > Here's what you're missing: > > Risky Business > Wavelength > Flashpoint > The Park is Mine > Firestarter > Heartbreakers > Legend > Deadly Care > Near Dark > Three O'Clock High > Shy People > Canyon Dreams > Destination Berlin > Dead Solid Perfect > Catch Me If You Can > The Man Inside > -The original 'TD Logo' Tyger cover > -The original 'stage shot' Livemiles cover > > > > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Did you know ONElist has over 100 Star Wars lists? > http://www.onelist.com > Join one today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, > and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our > website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Date: Tue May 4, 1999 9:09 am Subject: Definitive List of Albums The various attempts at setting up surveys hiighlights the fact that the TD official page does not list all official TD albums (where official includes those 'unofficial' Silva Screen releases). Rather than always ask for changes at each survey point, couldn't we create a definitive list on the web-page? Then the survey maker has all albums available at the toch of a button. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16246 Re: Definitive List of Albums Dan J. Schulte Tue 5/4/1999 1 KB 16252 Re: Definitive List of Albums Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Wed 5/5/1999 2 KB 16255 Re: Definitive List of Albums Plumer, Scott Wed 5/5/1999 2 KB From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Date: Tue May 4, 1999 9:17 am Subject: Re: Greetings! >From: 'John Marchington' > >Hi everybody. Hi John. I believe you may have the honour of being the first New Zealander on the list. [ Query about TDI Cat Nos ] The first batch of CDs were released with a cat no of the style TDIxxxCD (where xxx is the appropriate number). For some reason, when the TDI web-page went on-line, the cat nos had changed to the form TDI CDxxx. This included new cat nos for most (all?) of the previously released albums. I have the following : The Dream Mixes TDI001CD Limited World Tour Edition TDI005CD Shepherd's Bush TDI006CD Oasis TDI007CD TimeSquare : Dream Mixes II TDI009 The Keep TDI010CD Ambient Monkeys TDI011CD Does anyone know what TDI002, 3, 4, and 8 are? I don't have the new TDI versions of these albums (where available), so can't compare the numbers. Does this help any? -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue May 4, 1999 2:44 pm Subject: Re: any missing album covers? > -----Original Message----- > From: 'de Kruis, Hans SNV-MCF/9' ... > For a list owner you should know this by yourself, I think. Yeah, but when I have a list to look at, it makes it easier to compare what's there to what's missing. I could do it all the long way, but time has been a precious commodity lately, and I will accept whatever help I can get. Sean was kind enough to point me to a resource where I can find much of what I'm looking for. ...and I'll be the first one to admit that this role of listowner is a learning experience as well as a labor of love. If no one has the time to help or the links to send me, I'm already committed to doing it myself. > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 [mailto:craig.cordrey@g...] ... > those 'unofficial' Silva Screen releases). Rather than always ask > for changes > at each survey point, couldn't we create a definitive list on the > web-page? That's why I was asking for a list, along with doing a survey on best album cover art. Although Mr. Bischoff's list is absolutely fantastic (really!), I want to include more database-driven info for each album, with search capabilities and cross-referencing- not static HTML pages. It's in progress; I'll keep you posted. -joe From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue May 4, 1999 5:47 pm Subject: Re: Any missing respect? > If > no one has the time to help or the links to send me, I'm already committed > to doing it myself. j.gordon here... Damn straight... well put, j.s... You do a hell of a job being creative, moderate, aware and intelligent as well as putting up with cracks and shots by the list members... We've none of us the right to criticize... those who do run a list should know better for sure and those that don't should remember to always show respect... we exist in this community, feel 'safe' to express what we think without being email-ly blindsided by unconscience but still penetrating remarks in this community, and ultimately share what is at the core of our being here - TD - in this community because people like Joe - and especially Joe - give a major chunk of their time and energy into creating websites, surveys and other goodies for the rest of us... The members of this list are some of the most knowledged TD people around... together they make an incredible library of information... to expect just one person to know more than all the others combined, then keep a list and website (not to mention having a life) and simultaneously disregard that wealth of information just an email away would be, IMO, foolish and childish and we would all reap the benefits of that mistake... Keep up the good work, Joe... I'm sure I voice the consent of many of list members when I say... Three cheers for what you bring to us... a community of like-minded people all searching for a bigger, better way to TD... HUZZAH!!! j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16247 Re: Any missing respect? Steven Le Vine Wed 5/5/1999 1 KB From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Date: Tue May 4, 1999 8:45 pm Subject: Re: (no subject) Actually, dolphin dance appears in The Solider film so that tune was around long before Paulie. Dano -- Dan J. Schulte-Progressive Electronic Music Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Bert.Hulshoff@N... wrote: > > From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... > > I have a question about Valentine Wheels. > On the cover is written that the credits from Dolphin Dance were for > E.F.,C.F and J. Schmoeling. > is this wrong, Dolphin Dance comes from Underwater Sunlight which was > written by E.F, C.F. and P. Hasslinger. > Who is the real co-writer? > > greetings > Bert > > From: 'Dan J. Schulte' Date: Tue May 4, 1999 8:47 pm Subject: Re: Definitive List of Albums Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 wrote: > > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > The various attempts at setting up surveys hiighlights the fact that the TD > official page does not list all official TD albums (where official includes > those 'unofficial' Silva Screen releases). The Silva titles WERE official. They were just released without Ed's ego involved. They are fully licensed copies in all aspects. Dan -- Dan J. Schulte-Progressive Electronic Music Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ From: 'Steven Le Vine' j.gordon here... > >Damn straight... well put, j.s... You do a hell of a job being creative, >moderate, aware and intelligent as well as putting up with cracks and shots by >the list members... > >HUZZAH!!! > >j.gordon... > From: 'teiwaz _' From: TheKobaian@a... Date: Wed May 5, 1999 5:16 am Subject: Re: Tangents In a message dated 99-05-03 06:29:41 EDT, you write: << Just wanted to drop a note to those on the list thanking all those who tried to help me find Tangents. I finally got my copy last night. I tried seven different businesses through the Internet...all of which listed it 'in stock'...none of which did of course. I also tried all my local stores. I've been told by just about everyone that they can't get it and suspect it's OOP. >> Huh, makes me glad I got my copy a couple years ago. I had actually bought a couple bootleg videos at a local record store, and took them back because they I wasn't satisfied with the quality. After wandering around the store for about an hour trying to make up my mind what to do with my $50 credit I had coming to me, I chose to take the copy of Tangents they had. That must have been around 95 or 96. Let us know what you think of the set. May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris From: TheKobaian@xxx.xxx Date: Wed May 5, 1999 5:18 am Subject: Re: Atem In a message dated 99-05-03 06:29:41 EDT, you write: << What other albums are close to 'Atem' in style? I think Atem is mesmerizing and there is no monotony at all. Are there others close to it in style? >> There aren't any. :-) Seriously, you might like Alpha Centauri. The three albums that followed Atem, Phaedra, Rubycon, and Ricochet aren't too far away from Atem. May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris From: TheKobaian@xxx.xxx Date: Wed May 5, 1999 5:24 am Subject: Re: What ever happened to In a message dated 99-04-30 06:17:30 EDT, you write: << I did not even know Ann Murray was still alive! You had better check the tickets to see what year they are ;-) It seems to me that every *folk* type singer from that era died in a tragic plane crash or of some eating disorder. >> No, only Jim Croce and John Denver died in plane crashes. Harry Chapin died in a car crash. Most of the others are still alive, I think. The only person I know of who died 'from an eating disorder' is Karen Carpenter, and even then, my understanding was that she was actually gotten away from that and was putting weight back on. Either she did it too quickly, or she had caused so much damage to her body that it was already too late to do anything about it. May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16254 Re: What ever happened to John Marchington Wed 5/5/1999 2 KB From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > >> The various attempts at setting up surveys hiighlights the fact that the TD >> official page does not list all official TD albums (where official includes >> those 'unofficial' Silva Screen releases). > >The Silva titles WERE official. They were just released without Ed's ego >involved. They are fully licensed copies in all aspects. Yeah, I know. But 'unofficial' was easier to write than 'released without the band's input', although now I've had to write it anyway. Oh well. NP : Valentine Wheels - just bought at the weekend. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Thomas' From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 1999 05:24 Subject: Re: [tadream] What ever happened to > From: TheKobaian@a... > > In a message dated 99-04-30 06:17:30 EDT, you write: > > << I did not even know Ann Murray was still alive! You > had better check the tickets to see what year they are ;-) > It seems to me that every *folk* type singer from that era died > in a tragic plane crash or of some eating disorder. >> > > > No, only Jim Croce and John Denver died in plane crashes. Harry Chapin died > in a car crash. Most of the others are still alive, I think. The only person > I know of who died 'from an eating disorder' is Karen Carpenter, and even > then, my understanding was that she was actually gotten away from that and > was putting weight back on. Either she did it too quickly, or she had caused > so much damage to her body that it was already too late to do anything about > it. May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Star Wars fans are using ONElist to share the fun. > http://www.onelist.com > Are you? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > The various attempts at setting up surveys hiighlights the fact that the TD >> official page does not list all official TD albums (where official includes >> those 'unofficial' Silva Screen releases). >The Silva titles WERE official. They were just released without Ed's ego >involved. They are fully licensed copies in all aspects. They were indeed official, but still, I can see where Ed wouldn't be happy about their release. If I was in his situation, I certainly wouldn't want someone to release my stuff without my control, regardless of whether it was legal or not. But on the other hand, he signed the contracts that allowed Silva to release them. Am I the only one who senses a pattern here? TD seems to have a history of signing away the rights to their music... Scott From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas [mailto:t-h-o-m-a-s@s...] ... [different VW covers] ... > The pressings are identical, they are made both at DOCData > Germany, but one is distributed by EFA and the other is > distributed by ALPHA. The back covers are different too, but not much. ... Can you scan them? If so, please either upload them to our shared files section (http://www.onelist.com/shareddir/tadream/), or e-mail them to me (mailto:training@c...) with the catalog numbers/distribution info and I'll put them in the album covers list webpage (and all info into the DreamBase later). Anybody got ticket stubs from the show they can scan? Thanks, joe From: 'Jonathan Schick' From: 'Jonathan Schick' From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: teiwaz _ [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > um, I have a different cover for EXIT (Elektra 557-2)and > and what about those horrible Jive electro covers LOL ! yeah- those Jive covers would have been ok if they were only used for one album, perhaps. Thanks for the heads up, everybody. > And what about all those compilations? I'm on it. Changes being made now... check again at http://tadream.copfer.com/albums.htm. Added a link on the main nav menu to jump there... -joe From: 'Joe Shoults' From: Bennett Cookson Why do you like TD? I'm constantly listening to music while I work and at home, in the car, etc. Therefore I have hundreds of CDs of many artists and during a normal day listen to quite a number of CDs. TD has become my favorite for two main reasons. 1) I need music which is interesting to listen to but still allows me to focus on my work. Most music with words is too distracting and much of the available instrumental music is boring. 2) I have noticed that most music breaks down if pushed too hard. Meaning that as I listen to it more and more and closer and closer, at some point it breaks down and becomes uninteresting or even annoying. But I have noticed that TD (on average) last much longer and I enjoy it more than any other artist I know. Other good artists have music like this too, but I think TD has the most. --Bennett np Patrick O'Hearn, another great artist From: JMPoer From: 'Thomas' ----------Original Message------ >From: 'Joe Shoults' > >> From: Thomas [t-h-o-m-a-s@s...] >... >[different VW covers] >... >> The pressings are identical, they are made both at DOCData Germany, but one is distributed by EFA and the other is distributed by ALPHA. The back covers are different too, but not much...<< >Can you scan them?...< >Thanks, >joe I'll scan them, what resolution do you want, and what size? Thomas From: 'SSMITH' Date: Wed May 5, 1999 11:57 pm Subject: Unsubscription Confirmation yes! Yes! Take Me off it! From: Tom Richmond > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 13:58:45 -0400 > From: 'Joe Shoults' > Subject: Re: Subject: Re: any missing album covers? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: teiwaz _ [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > > um, I have a different cover for EXIT (Elektra 557-2)and > > and what about those horrible Jive electro covers > > LOL ! > yeah- those Jive covers would have been ok if they were only used for one > album, perhaps. > Thanks for the heads up, everybody. > > > And what about all those compilations? > I'm on it. Changes being made now... check again at > http://tadream.copfer.com/albums.htm. Added a link on the main nav menu to > jump there... > -joe Joe: I see one missing yet - the Legend LP cover with the Tim Curry character standing on it. Not necessarily a thing of beauty, but if we're being completists... Cheers! Tom From: XxphyIeX@xxx.xxx Date: Thu May 6, 1999 4:51 pm Subject: re--mama cass In a message dated 5/6/99 6:25:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tadream@o... writes: << Wasn't it Mama Cass who choked on a sandwich? >> long standing rumour.. but not true.. just a hoax... she died of a heart attack tho... From: 'koulos' From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu May 6, 1999 8:05 pm Subject: another muze? I don't know what became of the muze.com poll. Last I heard, they were supposedly going to update their site with the People's Choice of the top 1000, and I still don't know if the winner got colin's choices or the public's choices. Anybody know? Here's another site that calls themselved the definitive rock music resource: http://www.rockmine.music.co.uk/ and they have a 'Top 100' poll going on. -joe From: Andy Bloyce Date: Sat May 8, 1999 12:50 pm Subject: Destination Berlin Whilst reading a mail order catalogue this morning, and spotting a copy of 'Destination Berlin' for a reasonable sum, I had a recollection of someone wanting this one. It's available from Ultima Thule for 9 GBP. UT are in Leicester (UK), their details are: Ultima Thule 1 Conduit Street Leicester LE2 0JN UK Phone: +44 (0)116 285 4545 Fax: +44 (0)116 285 4555 No email. They also have a number of other well-priced TD items, as well as lots of other EM, prog etc. I don't work for them, or even buy that much from them, BTW. You can request their catalogue. Regards, Andy. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16275 Re: Destination Berlin cosmos Sun 5/9/1999 2 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: TheKobaian@xxx.xxx Date: Sat May 8, 1999 11:42 pm Subject: Live stuff/bootlegs/etc In a message dated 99-04-12 05:36:36 EDT, you write: << In fact, I WISH TD would follow the Grateful Dead's lead, as Phish and others have done, and ALLOW taping. >> Or they can follow the Grateful Dead's lead, and get their ass in gear and release more vintage live stuff. Yeah, I know we've got Sohoman, and we're being promised a show from a 76, but the Dead already have over 15 live releases (not counting the actual original live albums such as Live/Dead and Europe 72). Now, not all of them are complete shows, but some are 2-3 CD sets. Edgar claims to have every show the band has ever done on tape, so I think he could do a better job at releasing stuff. I don't wanty EVERY show, but it would be nice, for instance, if Sohoman could have had the entire Sydney show. And, he could also do stuff like take two or three consecutive shows, and create a compilation between them (which would work nicely with the post-80 shows since there's not much in the way of improv there). I would like to see more of the 70's stuff, since there's LOTS of improv there, and I, for one, would love to have soundboard quality copies of things like the 75 Australian tour shows (at least, I'd like to have Melbourne and Adelaide, which are both great shows). And I know more than a few people who think the Reims Cathedral show was one of the best things they've ever heard TD play. There's no reason why Edgar can't release these things. It'd make them easier to find (to date, I've not actually seen a TD bootleg, I only have tapes and CD-R's I've gotten in trades) and he and his comrades (past and/or present) would be making money off it). This is the only thing you can do about combatting bootlegs. May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16281 Re: Live stuff/bootlegs/etc Plumer, Scott Mon 5/10/1999 2 KB 16289 Re: Live stuff/bootlegs/etc Joe Shoults Mon 5/10/1999 1 KB From: 'Shadow' From: cosmos Date: Sun May 9, 1999 9:23 am Subject: Re: Destination Berlin >Whilst reading a mail order catalogue this morning, and spotting a copy of >'Destination Berlin' for a reasonable sum, I had a recollection of someone >wanting this one. > >It's available from Ultima Thule for 9 GBP. >UT are in Leicester (UK), their details are: > >Ultima Thule >1 Conduit Street >Leicester >LE2 0JN >UK > >Phone: +44 (0)116 285 4545 >Fax: +44 (0)116 285 4555 >No email. > >They also have a number of other well-priced TD items, as well as lots of >other EM, prog etc. I don't work for them, or even buy that much from them, >BTW. You can request their catalogue. > i can recommend them too, and i don't work for them either (live in holland) they are one of the best, quickest and reliable mail-order services around the world. i bought lots from them and never had any problem. andre From: piano_man@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: Sun May 9, 1999 2:47 pm Subject: New Member Been a TD fan since 1980 when Thief came out I am interseted in finding The Keep,The Soldier. I also heard that Edgar has all live material of concerts. I hope they will be comming our way Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16279 Re: New Member John Marchington Mon 5/10/1999 2 KB 25797 New Member Mike Oles Thu 1/25/2001 2 KB 25799 Re: New Member Joe Shoults Thu 1/25/2001 2 KB 36181 New Member David daventura98 Sun 9/15/2002 2 KB 36188 Re: New Member Dennis Nigbur dennisnigbur Sun 9/15/2002 2 KB 36199 Re: New Member Armin Theissen armin_theissen Mon 9/16/2002 3 KB 36206 Re: New Member Adele Outland outlanda60 Mon 9/16/2002 2 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Monday, 10 May 1999 02:47 Subject: [tadream] New Member > From: piano_man@m... > > Been a TD fan since 1980 when Thief came out I am interseted in finding The Keep,The Soldier. I also heard that Edgar has all live material of concerts. I hope they will be comming our way > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Did you know that > http://www.ONElist.com > More than 3.5 million people are using ONElist? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > > Thank you! > From: 'j.gordon' I purchased Poland : One fantastic album. j.gordon here... Now here's the $24 question... do you have the more modern, truncated, piss-me-off-because-you-can-get-the-2-CD-version-anymore version or the older, longer, thank-god-you-found-it-where-can-I-get-it 2CD version... there's about 10 minutes of music (I believe) cut out on the 1CD version... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Plumer, Scott' Or they can follow the Grateful Dead's lead, and get their ass in gear and >release more vintage live stuff. Yeah, I know we've got Sohoman, and we're >being promised a show from a 76, but the Dead already have over 15 live >releases (not counting the actual original live albums such as Live/Dead and >Europe 72). Now, not all of them are complete shows, but some are 2-3 CD >sets. Edgar claims to have every show the band has ever done on tape, so I >think he could do a better job at releasing stuff. I don't wanty EVERY show, I'd be happy to be the Dick Latvala of TD. (That's the Dead's tape archivist) So let's start a new thread: what would be the 'Dick's Picks' of TD? Here are a few of my choices: Rheims '74: Not the best musically, IMHO, but an historic show Albert Hall '75: Musically fabboo! DC '77: Best of '77, IMHO Duesseldorf '78: Overshadowed by some opinions of Cyclone, this was a great tour Santa Monica '80: The jam they do on the 'Dr. Destructo' riff is out of this world Scott From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Monday, 10 May 1999 10:43 Subject: Re: [tadream] New material > From: 'j.gordon' > > > I purchased Poland : One fantastic album. > > j.gordon here... > > Now here's the $24 question... do you have the more modern, truncated, > piss-me-off-because-you-can-get-the-2-CD-version-anymore version or the older, > longer, thank-god-you-found-it-where-can-I-get-it 2CD version... > > there's about 10 minutes of music (I believe) cut out on the 1CD version... > > j.gordon > === > *************************************************** > Brought to you by: > PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. > > j.gordon > =:^1> > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and > select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > > Thank you! > From: 'Poulton, Larry' You're right!. The track in question is 'Barbakane'. My 2-CD version of 'Poland' on Relativity has 18:00 of the track, my single disc Castle remastered version has only got 13:49. The times for the other three tracks ('Poland', 'Tangent' and 'Horizon') also differ slightly between the two sets but only by a few seconds (probably logging differences). I believe, however, that there is a version of 'Poland' which omits 'Barbakane'all together. ----- Original Message ----- From: j.gordon To: Sent: Monday, 10 May 1999 10:43 Subject: Re: [tadream] New material > From: 'j.gordon' > > > I purchased Poland : One fantastic album. > > j.gordon here... > > Now here's the $24 question... do you have the more modern, truncated, > piss-me-off-because-you-can-get-the-2-CD-version-anymore version or the older, > longer, thank-god-you-found-it-where-can-I-get-it 2CD version... > > there's about 10 minutes of music (I believe) cut out on the 1CD version... > > j.gordon > === > *************************************************** > Brought to you by: > PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. > > j.gordon > =:^1> > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and > select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. 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If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: Mats Nordlinder From: 'Poulton, Larry' > > I had that 3 track version. It had a nasty black & white insert...I gave it > away in the end!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Marchington [mailto:johnm@p...] > Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 2:28 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] New material > > From: 'John Marchington' > > You're right!. The track in question is 'Barbakane'. My 2-CD version of > 'Poland' on Relativity has 18:00 of the track, my single disc Castle > remastered version has only got 13:49. The times for the other three tracks > ('Poland', 'Tangent' and 'Horizon') also differ slightly between the two > sets but only by a few seconds (probably logging differences). I believe, > however, that there is a version of 'Poland' which omits 'Barbakane'all > together. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: j.gordon > To: > Sent: Monday, 10 May 1999 10:43 > Subject: Re: [tadream] New material > > > From: 'j.gordon' > > > > > I purchased Poland : One fantastic album. > > > > j.gordon here... > > > > Now here's the $24 question... do you have the more modern, truncated, > > piss-me-off-because-you-can-get-the-2-CD-version-anymore version or the > older, > > longer, thank-god-you-found-it-where-can-I-get-it 2CD version... > > > > there's about 10 minutes of music (I believe) cut out on the 1CD > version... > > > > j.gordon > > === > > *************************************************** > > Brought to you by: > > PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. > > > > j.gordon > > =:^1> > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and > > select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, > and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. 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I just wonder if > Ed feels that > he is having to prostitute his music in order to make end meet / > achieve his > goals. ?? Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. could you elaborate? > BTW, in your upcoming interview with Ed, perhaps you could > suggest improving > their quality assurance procedures? It really annoys me when > basic errors (such > as the producer's name, who also just happens to be the 'main man') slip > through the net. Or is Ed trying to catch up with Monique / Monica and > Christoph/Christophe/Christopher/Chris in the name-morph stakes? Let me throw that one back to you: could you suggest some syntax for such a question? Besides, with spelling errors, it just assures that the maniacal completists out there will have to buy one extra album for each misspelling! ;-) Of course, that is just a joke, but if you are really serious about wanting to know how/who creates/edits the text for their album covers, we could ask. Martin from TDI, who is on this list, may even have a comment (Martin?). Perhaps something like this? -> We've noticed that there are misspellings on album covers that make us wonder: who actually puts together the album liner notes or decides on their content? Also, who decides what album art is used? How about album titles? Please answer for both Pre-TDI days and current. -joe From: 'Joe Shoults' From: Sean Montgomery http://www.cddb.com lists an apparent TD/ Meatloaf (!) 1987 collaboration on > something called 'A Time for Heroes'. > anybody know what this is? Ah, you haven't heard of this, huh? It's a rare cd single, with three versions of the song, which was the theme music for the 1987 Special Olympics. It's not actually a collaboration. There are two versions of the song; one an instrumental composed and performed by TD, and the other sung by Meatloaf (with Queen's Brian May on guitar). It's not one of TD's brightest moments...although you might go for it if you liked the song Optical Race. It's based around a very repetive four note sequence, played with a brassy sound that's intended to sound anthemic. It's hard to find...through official channels anyway. I actually had a copy once, but traded it because I never listened to it. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Plumer, Scott [mailto:Scott.Plumer@t...] > I'd be happy to be the Dick Latvala of TD. (That's the (Grateful) Dead's tape > archivist) So let's start a new thread: what would be the 'Dick's > Picks' of TD? Here are a few of my choices: ... > Albert Hall '75: Musically fabboo! > DC '77: Best of '77, IMHO ... > > Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > Montreal '77 (sorry Scott, but I honestly think this one is > > better than D.C.)[...] > > Gabe as long as that irritating DJ from [SHOAM FM] isn't whispering in it (Montreal '77)! -joe From: Gabe Yedid Really-From: 'Joe Shoults' > > Montreal '77 (sorry Scott, but I honestly think this one is > > better than D.C.) > > as long as that irritating DJ from [SHOAM FM] isn't whispering in it! > -joe Well let's just hope if TD ever DOES release this show they don't have to ask CHOM for their tape (assuming CHOM has one at all)! Gabe From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery > > http://www.cddb.com lists an apparent TD/ Meatloaf (!) 1987 > collaboration on > > something called 'A Time for Heroes'. > > anybody know what this is? > > Ah, you haven't heard of this, huh? It's a rare cd single, with three > versions of the song, which was the theme music for the 1987 Special > Olympics. It's not actually a collaboration. There are two versions of Well, that answers my question about the Olympics theme thing... I had contacted the Olympic Committee and the author of a 'History of Olympic Music' book a few months ago to confirm whether TD had done any Olympic Music. He was clueless, of course, because I was off by the word 'Special'. I shoulda just asked here. But hey, that's nice that they did something for the Special Olympics. Thanks for the clarification! -joe From: 'Keith Richie' . -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@c...] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 1:32 PM To: Tadream-list Subject: [tadream] A Time for Heroes?? From: 'Joe Shoults' http://www.cddb.com lists an apparent TD/ Meatloaf (!) 1987 collaboration on something called 'A Time for Heroes'. anybody know what this is? -joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Star Wars fans are using ONElist to share the fun. http://www.ONElist.com Are you? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. Thank you! From: 'Keith Richie' . -----Original Message----- From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@m...] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 1:38 PM To: Tadream-list Subject: Re: [tadream] A Time for Heroes?? From: Sean Montgomery > http://www.cddb.com lists an apparent TD/ Meatloaf (!) 1987 collaboration on > something called 'A Time for Heroes'. > anybody know what this is? Ah, you haven't heard of this, huh? It's a rare cd single, with three versions of the song, which was the theme music for the 1987 Special Olympics. It's not actually a collaboration. There are two versions of the song; one an instrumental composed and performed by TD, and the other sung by Meatloaf (with Queen's Brian May on guitar). It's not one of TD's brightest moments...although you might go for it if you liked the song Optical Race. It's based around a very repetive four note sequence, played with a brassy sound that's intended to sound anthemic. It's hard to find...through official channels anyway. I actually had a copy once, but traded it because I never listened to it. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get involved. Share your thoughts! http://www.onelist.com Join the ONElist Weekly Survey. Go to homepage for details. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. Thank you! From: 'Plumer, Scott' From: Sean Montgomery There was also some TD music in the last regular Olympics, used during the > opening parade. I don't remember what, though. Yup...the 'Warsaw in the Sun' segment of Barbakane and 'Streethawk' (Le Parc) were played as the atheletes marched into the stadium. TD fans are everwhere. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 1999 02:02 Subject: Re: [tadream] New material > From: Mats Nordlinder > > You're right! it looks extremely cheap, it's on Jive (CHIP 22) and entitled > 'Extracts from Poland - The Warsaw Concerts, the tracks are as follows: > 1. Poland (22.25) > 2. Barbakane (13.57) > 3. Horizon (20.51) > > I'm not proud to own the CD, the booklet looks like xerox-copy! > > Mats, Stockholm (btw, it snowed in Stockholm this morning, strange.....it's spring.....) > > > Poulton, Larry wrote: > > > From: 'Poulton, Larry' > > > > I had that 3 track version. It had a nasty black & white insert...I gave it > > away in the end!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Marchington [mailto:johnm@p...] > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 2:28 PM > > To: tadream@o... > > Subject: Re: [tadream] New material > > > > From: 'John Marchington' > > > > You're right!. The track in question is 'Barbakane'. My 2-CD version of > > 'Poland' on Relativity has 18:00 of the track, my single disc Castle > > remastered version has only got 13:49. The times for the other three tracks > > ('Poland', 'Tangent' and 'Horizon') also differ slightly between the two > > sets but only by a few seconds (probably logging differences). I believe, > > however, that there is a version of 'Poland' which omits 'Barbakane'all > > together. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: j.gordon > > To: > > Sent: Monday, 10 May 1999 10:43 > > Subject: Re: [tadream] New material > > > > > From: 'j.gordon' > > > > > > > I purchased Poland : One fantastic album. > > > > > > j.gordon here... > > > > > > Now here's the $24 question... do you have the more modern, truncated, > > > piss-me-off-because-you-can-get-the-2-CD-version-anymore version or the > > older, > > > longer, thank-god-you-found-it-where-can-I-get-it 2CD version... > > > > > > there's about 10 minutes of music (I believe) cut out on the 1CD > > version... > > > > > > j.gordon > > > === > > > *************************************************** > > > Brought to you by: > > > PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. > > > > > > j.gordon > > > =:^1> > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > > > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and > > > select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, > > and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. 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Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: Michael A Jean > > There was also some TD music in the last regular Olympics, used during the > > opening parade. I don't remember what, though. > > > Yup...the 'Warsaw in the Sun' segment of Barbakane and 'Streethawk' (Le > Parc) were played as the atheletes marched into the stadium. TD fans are > everwhere. > > > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Where do some of the Internet's largest email lists reside? > http://www.onelist.com > At ONElist - the most scalable and reliable service on the Internet. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Vic Rek > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Hi guys just to let you know , well thous who are interested we have > changed the cd at the bar tonight to WHAT A BLAST curently my favourite so > far Tyger has had the best response from joe public 220 didnt go down too > well I'm affraid to say . Will give you a complete rundown when our time is > up next weekend. > > Catch ya later The Preacher ( CARL ) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ONElist: the best source for group communications. > http://www.onelist.com > Join today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at h > > Thank you! From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung From: Sean Montgomery From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung From: Sean Montgomery > > Tangram is indeed listed in the 'people's choice' list....at number 71. Thanks Sean, I overlooked that. Jeffrey > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ONElist: bringing the world together. > http://www.onelist.com > Join a new list today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > > Thank you! From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > > There was also some TD music in the last regular Olympics, used during the > opening parade. I don't remember what, though. > > Scott I remember having heard 'Streethawk' and 'Warsaw In The Sun' as part of the music used in the opening ceremonies. Gabe From: 'Kevin Earley' Muze Pool Results: ># >135 Logos >154 Force Majeure >164 Pergamon >192 Underwater Sunlight >235 Poland >329 Ricochet >350 Encore >431 White Eagle >494 Livemiles >545 Rubycon >546 Hyperborea >744 Stratosfear Hey Jeffrey, I just checked and Tangram made number 71! Kevin Earley kearley@r... From: 'Kevin Earley' From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Date: Tue May 11, 1999 2:44 pm Subject: Re: Sohoman Name >From: 'Joe Shoults' > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 [mailto:craig.cordrey@g...] >> Anyone know where the name Sohoman comes from? I just wonder if >> Ed feels that >> he is having to prostitute his music in order to make end meet / >> achieve his >> goals. > >?? Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. could you elaborate? Soho is the famous district of London where there are various sex clubs / shops / cinemas that show material as hard as our wimpish censorship laws allow. As such, it is seen as both seedy and also a tourist haven. I therefore wondered whether Ed had 'given in' to the pressure of his 'fans' and released Sohoman as a means of placating them or earning money. Since this would have been against his general principle of ignoring the fans, he could be viewed as prostituting his music? Does that make any more sense? Please note, I am not accusing Ed of anything nasty here. I wonder if _Edgar_ feels he is having to do this, not that I think he is. >Let me throw that one back to you: could you suggest some syntax for such a >question? How about : There are a number of serious errors on the covers of the Virgin Definitive Edition releases (wrong band members, studio albums marked live, etc.). There have also been some mis-spelling problems with TDI releases. Does TD have any control over the content of the covers or in ensuring that the information is correct and accurate? >Besides, with spelling errors, it just assures that the maniacal completists >out there will have to buy one extra album for each misspelling! ;-) Well, the cynic in me had also considered this possibility. >Of course, that is just a joke, but if you are really serious about wanting >to know how/who creates/edits the text for their album covers, we could ask. >Martin from TDI, who is on this list, may even have a comment (Martin?). >Perhaps something like this? -> We've noticed that there are misspellings on >album covers that make us wonder: who actually puts together the album liner >notes or decides on their content? Also, who decides what album art is >used? How about album titles? Please answer for both Pre-TDI days and >current. This question is also good. You can decide which to use. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 4:38 pm Subject: Re: Sohoman Name > ...Does TD have any control > over the content of the covers or in ensuring that the > information is correct and accurate? Well, since Ed owns TDI, I would guess that the issue of ultimate 'control' is moot, but they probably don't actually print the things- maybe the printer/distribution company made the mistakes. Then again, maybe the printer got it that way! > >Perhaps something like this? -> We've noticed that there are [...] Here's what I made from both: We have noticed a number of typographical errors on the covers of the Virgin Definitive Edition releases (wrong band members, studio albums marked live, etc.). There have also been some mis-spelling problems with TDI releases, which has made us womder: who actually puts together the album liner notes or decides on their content? Also, who decides what album art is used? How about album titles? Please answer for both Pre-TDI days and current. thanks for the contribution! -joe From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 5:45 pm Subject: European Tour 1997 Maxi-CD j.gordon here... The above mentioned title is one of the offerings from the StimPack 5 selections... under the Specials catagory... any ideas of what is on it... Ride the Tyger, baby... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16334 Re: European Tour 1997 Maxi-CD yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx Wed 5/12/1999 1 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 5:52 pm Subject: Re: Tyger box. > Tyger has had the best response from joe public j.gordon here... Whoever joe public is, somebody - hell! everybody - buy that man a drink and 'keep' him a-round... \|/ :-< /|\ j.gordon... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ONElist: the best source for group communications. > http://www.onelist.com > Join today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, > and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our > website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > > Thank you! > === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 6:01 pm Subject: Re: The Rushings are Coming > to----------------- Get a life po box 2112 Xanadu exit stage left. j.gordon here... hey preach-man, this is a distant early warning - sounds like you're rushing into things here... careful, circumstances being what they are, joe might throw you under lock and key for cross-banding and you'll find yourself losing it... > > JG HOW YOU DOIN. CARL. doing swell... like the info about the success of Tyger on the juke... cool 'cats' everywhere are digging the good mews... and I want you to know, the world is a better brighter place because of your dedication, martyrdom and absoulte piety to the Sun Gate... Bless you, father, for I listened... catch you later, man of the digital cloth... j.gordon > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ONElist: where real people with real interests get connected. > http://www.onelist.com > Join today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, > and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our > website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! > === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 6:23 pm Subject: Help The Preacher here . I need some guidance as to how I can stop repeatedly playing What a Blast. Its in the Car,Van , At work, in the bath I'm even listening to it now I just can't stop! What a Blast -------What an Album -------- Thanks ED Hi J G just going for a Blast in the Red Barchetta Catch Ya latter. CARL. p:s JS won't mind our little indiscretions he's into R--H as well. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16316 Re: Help Shadow Tue 5/11/1999 1 KB From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 9:08 pm Subject: beyond_em - new mailing list at onelist Hi folks If you fancy to learn and share about Electronic Music and related in general and interesting new acts such as Mind~Flux, Redshift, Ian Boddy, ARC and others you're more than welcome to join in the fun. As you all have an onelist account already it's easy to sign up: http://www.onelist.com/isregistered.cgi?listname=beyond%5Fem Looking forward talking to some of you over there :-) Thanks for reading Jens From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 9:16 pm Subject: Seek and ye shall find To Shadow from the Preacher. I'VE GOT IT. THANKS TO A VERY HELPFULL FRIEND (JENS) Given me a shout Carl ( Preacher ) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16322 Re: Seek and ye shall find Shadow Tue 5/11/1999 1 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 9:30 pm Subject: Decision to be made. Hi guys and girls or was that a vicious rumour? Just thought you all could help with a dilemma. A friend has asked to listen to one of Tds albums she's -yes I said she's never heard them before and is sick of me rattling on about them. So from the list supplied what choice would YOU make. A bit of background would help I suppose. She's 36 Single into Rush ,Zep,Skynard,Floyd, Bowie and heavy Beat dance clubs. Tangram Transsiberia Tyger ( for JG'S sake ) What a blast Goblins club Poland Advice will be appreciated .Personal choice What A Blast. Thanks The Preacher ( Carl ) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16318 Re: Decision to be made. Shadow Tue 5/11/1999 1 KB 16320 Re: Decision to be made. Joe Shoults Tue 5/11/1999 1 KB 16323 Re: Decision to be made. Nick adams Tue 5/11/1999 2 KB 16326 Re: Decision to be made. Jeff Stevenson Wed 5/12/1999 1 KB 16335 Re: Decision to be made. Alexander.Finck@xxxxxxxx.xxxx Wed 5/12/1999 1 KB 16338 Re: Decision to be made. j.gordon Wed 5/12/1999 1 KB 16339 Re: Decision to be made. Geir Smedsrud Wed 5/12/1999 1 KB 16340 Re: Decision to be made. j.gordon Wed 5/12/1999 2 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 9:54 pm Subject: Klangart Festival. Preacher here (AGAIN) Is there anyone from the Uk going to KlangArt next month who would be kind enough to pick up a few bits of TD merchandise ( if for sale ) for me, preferably without ripping me off ? Baseball cap ,T or Sweat shirt that sort of thing. Cash up front or COD what evers best. Thanks CARL. From: 'Shadow' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 9:51 pm Subject: Re: Help > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > The Preacher here . > > I need some guidance as to how I can stop repeatedly playing What a Blast. > Its in the Car,Van , At work, in the bath I'm even listening to it now I > just can't stop! Take out your speakers......... It won't stop you playin' the Music but at least the POLICE won't be on your back. :-) ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenn, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 9:50 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 70 Is there any chance that the people involved in the 'Poland' discussion could use a bit of 'cut' and 'paste'? Today's digest had about 50% redundancy. I refer you to our leader's (Joe's) intro message on every single digest... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To see what I mean, for example, have a look at message 17 from yesterday. The comment by John (and I'm not picking on you John... you were just the latest in a long list) is 10 lines long. The whole requoted message was over 160 lines long. This is just taking the piss. It was good to see that Jeff stepped in and stopped things getting really out of hand! I thank you. Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16324 Re: Digest Number 70 Jeff Stevenson Wed 5/12/1999 1 KB From: 'Shadow' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 9:58 pm Subject: Re: Decision to be made. > Hi guys and girls or was that a vicious rumour? > > Just thought you all could help with a dilemma. > A friend has asked to listen to one of Tds albums she's -yes I said she's > never heard them before and is sick of me rattling on about them. > So from the list supplied what choice would YOU make. > > A bit of background would help I suppose. She's 36 Single into Rush > ,Zep,Skynard,Floyd, Bowie and heavy Beat dance clubs. To be on the safe side I'd have to say...................... Selected tracks off TYGER. ween her onto the heavy stuff later. To be honest I still can't get into Transiberia..??? It just doesn't seem to go anywhere......... ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenn, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Shadow' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 10:04 pm Subject: Sleeping in Light I have finally got Sleeping in Light... The signed version. Signed by Bruce Boxleightner ( I can't be bothered to check spelling) and Christopher Franke. What a fantastic album. Short and sweet.... I am starting to enjoy the Babylon 5 Season 5 vids. It's a bit of a shock that it has slowed down so much after seasons 2+3. Also got Epic the latest best of album by Christopher Franke. Don't worry Carl I'm not quite brassed yet!!! ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenn, Severed Dreams... Shadow Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16333 Re: Sleeping in Light Steven Le Vine Wed 5/12/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 10:04 pm Subject: Re: Decision to be made. yikes! Tyger!? Go safe: Dream Sequence. -joe > > A bit of background would help I suppose. She's 36 Single into Rush > > ,Zep,Skynard,Floyd, Bowie and heavy Beat dance clubs. > > To be on the safe side I'd have to say...................... > Selected tracks off TYGER. ween her onto the heavy stuff later. From: 'Shadow' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 10:07 pm Subject: Sorry fot the HTML guys + Girls Pressed the wrong Button.............:-) I've had it now.......Joes goin to kill me!!!! Have mercy on a very tired hard workin' guy. ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenn, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Shadow' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 10:13 pm Subject: Re: Seek and ye shall find > To Shadow from the Preacher. > > I'VE GOT IT. THANKS TO A VERY HELPFUL FRIEND (JENS) I don't know what to say.... :-) You Guys!!!!! My keyboard is wet with tears of emotion. Dam 'Sleeping in Light' My Album Collection has increased 12% this month EXCELLENT ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenn, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Nick adams' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 10:15 pm Subject: Re: Decision to be made. > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Hi guys and girls or was that a vicious rumour? > > Just thought you all could help with a dilemma. > A friend has asked to listen to one of Tds albums she's -yes I said she's > never heard them before and is sick of me rattling on about them. > So from the list supplied what choice would YOU make. > > A bit of background would help I suppose. She's 36 Single into Rush > ,Zep,Skynard,Floyd, Bowie and heavy Beat dance clubs. > > Tangram > Transsiberia > Tyger ( for JG'S sake ) > What a blast > Goblins club > Poland > > Advice will be appreciated .Personal choice What A Blast. > > Thanks The Preacher ( Carl ) No Contest, got to be TANGRAM Nick Home Nicad@C... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: Jeff Stevenson Date: Wed May 12, 1999 12:24 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 70 At 10:50 PM 5/11/1999 +0100, you wrote: >From: 'Lawry Simm' > >Is there any chance that the people involved in the 'Poland' >discussion could use a bit of 'cut' and 'paste'? Today's digest had >about 50% redundancy. [SNIP] >It was good to see that Jeff stepped in and stopped things getting >really out of hand! > >I thank you. Gee, your welcome. Didn't even realize I was doing a public service. 8^) Jeff Stevenson jsteven@o... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: 'Shadow' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 10:20 pm Subject: Re: New material > > I purchased Poland : One fantastic album. > > j.gordon here... > > Now here's the $24 question... do you have the more modern, truncated, > piss-me-off-because-you-can-get-the-2-CD-version-anymore version or the older, > longer, thank-god-you-found-it-where-can-I-get-it 2CD version... I actually got the 1CD Version m8.. If you want I can get you the 2CD version tomorrow. It's an import roughly �15. Let me know if you want it. I can also get about 6 copies of Tangents (but can't afford too so no I won't get them this month) One thing though j.g. IT'S NOT TYGER!!!!! My TYGERS nearly worn out now though along with Pergamon (Track 1) Any one out there who can recommend any more Piano style tracks????? ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenn, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: Jeff Stevenson Date: Wed May 12, 1999 12:26 am Subject: Re: Decision to be made. At 06:04 PM 5/11/1999 -0400, you wrote: >From: 'Joe Shoults' > >yikes! Tyger!? >Go safe: Dream Sequence. Please.....enough with Tyger already. I agree with Joe, altho Poland is good too (that was my first non-soundtrack exposure). Jeff Stevenson jsteven@o... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Tue May 11, 1999 10:52 pm Subject: Under the dome Hi Craig. Its on its way as we speak M8. Carl The Preacher. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16336 Re: Under the dome Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Wed 5/12/1999 1 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed May 12, 1999 12:31 am Subject: Re: New material I just played 'Barbakade' from the two versions of 'Poland' I own. The single CD version plays for 13:49 and the double CD set version for 18:00. I set the two up on separate CD players and synchronized them. The total playing time for the double CD set is 81:35, so there had to be some 'pruning' to get the concert onto a single CD. What they've simply done is omitted the last four and a quarter minutes of 'Barbakane' with a fade out. As far as I can judge, switching back and forth between the two versions, the music that is presented is the same; i.e. there are no incisions anywhere. Interestingly, too, 'Tangent' is interrupted with applause near the end, then continues for a further three and three quarter minutes. On the single CD, this 'epilogue' is still listed as track 2 (i.e. the track continues on through the applause), whereas on the double CD set, it gets a track all to itself at the end of the first CD (track 3). As far as the music is concerned, 'Horizon' seems like vintage TD from the period and is excellent. To be honest. the title track doesn't do much for me, but both 'Tangent' and 'Barbakane' are pretty good. Perhaps the section of the latter removed from the single CD isn't a great loss. Others might feel differently. As far as sound quality is concerned, both versions seem excellent. Remastering (the single CD) doesn't seem to have made much difference. Both sets offer spacious sound, great clarity and a nice solid bass. At high levels, they're both impressive. I use high powered valve monoblocks (NZ designed and manufactured) and large, full range electrostatic speakers (US). ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Stevenson To: Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 1999 01:14 Subject: Re: [tadream] New material > From: Jeff Stevenson > > At 11:11 AM 5/11/1999 +1200, you wrote: > >From: 'John Marchington' > > > >Sorry! Looks like I was wrong about the 'missing' track on'Poland'. From > >what Mats has said, that track is obviously 'Tangent'. The times Mats quotes > >for the three tracks on his disc closely approximate the times on my > >single-CD version, which are; 'Poland'(22:00) > > I've been told that the one disc version sounds much better as the audio > was tweaked. Is this accurate? > > Jeff Stevenson > jsteven@o... > > Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 > (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Having difficulty getting 'in synch' with list members? > http://www.onelist.com > Try ONElist's Shared Calendar to organize events, meetings and more! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > > Thank you! > From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 1999 10:20 Subject: Re: [tadream] New material > From: 'Shadow' > > > > I purchased Poland : One fantastic album. > > > > j.gordon here... > > > > Now here's the $24 question... do you have the more modern, truncated, > > piss-me-off-because-you-can-get-the-2-CD-version-anymore version or the > older, > > longer, thank-god-you-found-it-where-can-I-get-it 2CD version... > > I actually got the 1CD Version m8.. > If you want I can get you the 2CD version tomorrow. > It's an import roughly �15. > Let me know if you want it. > I can also get about 6 copies of Tangents (but can't afford too so no I > won't get them this month) > > One thing though j.g. IT'S NOT TYGER!!!!! > > My TYGERS nearly worn out now though along with Pergamon (Track 1) > Any one out there who can recommend any more Piano style tracks????? > > ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' > Delenn, Severed Dreams... > > Shadow > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Give back to your community through 'Grow to Give.' > http://www.ONElist.com > See homepage for details. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! > From: Jonathan From: Jonathan From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 1999 12:36 Subject: [tadream] Muze Poll > From: 'Kevin Earley' > > Greetings, > > Is it just me, or do others find the Muze 1000 poll to be a waste of web space? I admit to having fun stuffing the ballot with TD entries; but because ballot stuffing was so easy - where is the value in the final list? At least Colin Larkin's list was (apparently) generated honestly. Popularity contests can be fun, and even informative, but there needs to be some control, IMHO. > > Just a thought. > > Kevin Earley > kearley@r... > > np: TD - A 'ROIO' > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking to expand your world? > http://www.onelist.com > ONElist has over 145,000 email communities from which to chose! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! > From: 'Steven Le Vine' Hey Shadow, nice to hear from you again, has it been 1000 years? I have finally got Sleeping in Light... My keyboard is wet with tears of emotion. Dam 'Sleeping in Light' The signed version. Signed by Bruce Boxleightner ( I can't be bothered to check spelling) and Christopher Franke. What a fantastic album. Thank you Shadow (sniff!). I agree wholeheartedly!!! By the way, how'd you get a signed CD? I hate you. It's a bit of a shock that it has slowed down so much after seasons 2+3. What about the best season? Season 4? Also got Epic the latest best of album by Christopher Franke. (Back to TD oriented discussion) How is it? Speaking of Christopher Franke, anyone know anything about 'Perry Rhodan' (The CD) &/or 'Tenchi Muyo in Love'? Been switching between 'Valentine Wheels & Tangerine Ambience II (Love it!!) siberkat From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Wed May 12, 1999 7:18 am Subject: Re: European Tour 1997 Maxi-CD > From: 'j.gordon' > > j.gordon here... > > The above mentioned title is one of the offerings from the StimPack 5 > selections... under the Specials catagory... any ideas of what is on it... > In the limited Special Edition 1997 there are three tracks two version of 'M�dchen on the stairs' and 'Order and the Ginger guild' (part composed on a groove box preset) Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: Alexander.Finck@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Wed May 12, 1999 7:41 am Subject: Re: Decision to be made. Carl, she`s listening to Zep, Skynard and so on ? Just let the guitars speak: TORNADO (LIVE) ENCORE (LIVE US) After this introduction you can go to the real' heavy stuff ... Alex Elizium for the sleepless souls ... From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > >Hi Craig. > >Its on its way as we speak M8. Cheers. NP - What a Blast - not quite as keen on it as some others appear to be. Give it time ... -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'John Marchington' >Interestingly, too, 'Tangent' is interrupted with applause near the end, >then continues for a further three and three quarter minutes. On the single >CD, this 'epilogue' is still listed as track 2 (i.e. the track continues on >through the applause), whereas on the double CD set, it gets a track all to >itself at the end of the first CD (track 3). There are two versions of the 2CD set - one which has a blue tinted cover and has only 2 tracks on each CD (my copy) and one with a brown tinted cover which has three tracks on one and two on the other. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'j.gordon' > Just thought you all could help with a dilemma. > A friend has asked to listen to one of Tds albums she's -yes I said she's > never heard them before and is sick of me rattling on about them. > So from the list supplied what choice would YOU make. > > Tangram > Transsiberia > Tyger ( for JG'S sake ) > What a blast > Goblins club > Poland > j.gordon here... Tyger it is... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From: Geir Smedsrud From: 'j.gordon' > >> >> Just thought you all could help with a dilemma. >> A friend has asked to listen to one of Tds albums she's -yes I said she's >> never heard them before and is sick of me rattling on about them. >> So from the list supplied what choice would YOU make. >> >> Tangram >> Transsiberia >> Tyger ( for JG'S sake ) >> What a blast >> Goblins club >> Poland >> >j.gordon here... > >Tyger it is... > >j.gordon At least you should get a medal for persistence! ;-) BTW I like Tyger too. Geir From: 'j.gordon' > > A bit of background would help I suppose. She's 36 Single into Rush > > > ,Zep,Skynard,Floyd, Bowie and heavy Beat dance clubs. > > > > To be on the safe side I'd have to say...................... > > Selected tracks off TYGER. ween her onto the heavy stuff later. > > yikes! Tyger!? > Go safe: Dream Sequence. > -joe j.gordon here... Hold on a mintue there, hoss!!! the main-man shadow had it right... Selected tracks from Tyger are some of the best music to introduce to the non-initiate... they resemble 'normal' music somewhat, but still give a real flavor of (at least later) TD... I think it's sometimes difficult for all of us who have listened to these albums for years... it's hard to remember what it was like never hearing the genius of the band... and, hey!, who wouldn't like to take a trip back down the lane and listen to some of these albums again for the first time... and, I think that we can peek into the success of Carl's jukebox to reveal a hint of what joe and jane public might respond to best on a first time shot... anyway... there's always the risk... but Tyger seems a good one... j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From: Daventura From: XxphyIeX@xxx.xxx Date: Wed May 12, 1999 10:14 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 72 In a message dated 5/12/99 5:29:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tadream@o... writes: << If I was stranded on a desert island and was only allowed 50 (FIFTY) TD titles, TYGER would NOT be one of them. Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong....David >> agreed here.. and i would raise that # to 100 td titles.. id even take dupes of some just to avoid tyger lol Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16349 Re: Digest Number 72 John Marchington Wed 5/12/1999 3 KB 16351 Re: Digest Number 72 Plumer, Scott Wed 5/12/1999 1 KB 16352 Re: Digest Number 72 Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Wed 5/12/1999 1 KB 16390 Re: Digest Number 72 Shadow Thu 5/13/1999 2 KB 16391 Re: Digest Number 72 Shadow Thu 5/13/1999 1 KB 16394 Re: Digest Number 72 Plumer, Scott Thu 5/13/1999 1 KB 16397 Re: Digest Number 72 Shadow Thu 5/13/1999 1 KB 16398 Re: Digest Number 72 Plumer, Scott Thu 5/13/1999 2 KB 16436 Re: Digest Number 72 Steven Le Vine Sat 5/15/1999 1 KB From: 'Nick adams' From: Daventura >If I was stranded on a desert island and was only > allowed 50 (FIFTY) TD titles, TYGER would NOT be one of them. Of course, > that's just my opinion, I could be wrong....David That is my opinion too, this girl clearly likes good rock music, and TD's tyger comes no where near that territory, i would have thought either tangram,cyclone,ricochet,or encore or something else that has balls in it, tyger sheesh......... Nick Home Nicad@C... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: 'John Marchington' To: tadream Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 1999 09:07 Subject: Re: [tadream] New material > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > > My mail seems to be arriving in a funny order, so aplogies if this has already > been answered ... > > >From: 'John Marchington' > > >Interestingly, too, 'Tangent' is interrupted with applause near the end, > >then continues for a further three and three quarter minutes. On the single > >CD, this 'epilogue' is still listed as track 2 (i.e. the track continues on > >through the applause), whereas on the double CD set, it gets a track all to > >itself at the end of the first CD (track 3). > > There are two versions of the 2CD set - one which has a blue tinted cover and > has only 2 tracks on each CD (my copy) and one with a brown tinted cover which > has three tracks on one and two on the other. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... > Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 > Alenia Marconi Systems > Simulation and Training Division > Donibristle, Fife, Scotland > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Having difficulty getting 'in synch' with list members? > http://www.onelist.com > Try ONElist's Shared Calendar to organize events, meetings and more! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! > From: 'Shadow' From: Eric Rochon From: Jonathan > > Found Tangents today for $100 Canadian in Toronto. That'll be $115 with > tax. I guess you guys think it's worth it, even if one owns the CDs of > those years, but this seems over-priced... How much have people been paying > in Canada? I paid 90$ Canadian tax included a while back... I guess it was when in came out. Eric From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'John Marchington' > >Thanks, Craig, I hadn't realised that there were two different versions of >the 2-CD set. I do have the brown-tinted cover, as you have suggested. I can >certainly see how TDers can have hundreds of albums if they go around trying >to collect every different version of every album the band has made! I don't know if this is an early example of the printing 'irregularities' that seem to occur quite frequently in TD albums, or a genuinely different release (through a different country / distributor, perhaps). >I presume the version you have is a combination of the single CD and the >2-CD set I have; i.e. track continues through the applause in 'Tangent' to >the end, and there's 18:00 worth of 'Barbakane' I think that's right (track titles were never my forte). Rare Bird (that's the name of the 'extra' bit at the end of the first CD) is combined with the long second track (Tangent?). The second CD also contains what I'd consider three separate bits of music, but with the first short segment included in the first tracks length. Perhaps I'll take Poland into work tomorrow to try and make this more precise. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: Eric Rochon >> From: Jonathan >> >> Found Tangents today for $100 Canadian in Toronto. That'll be $115 with >> tax. I guess you guys think it's worth it, even if one owns the CDs of >> those years, but this seems over-priced... How much have people been paying >> in Canada? > > I paid 90$ Canadian tax included a while back... I guess it was when in came out. I recently spotted a copy for �56. I don't know what the exchange rate is but if this is cheaper I'll happily pick it up for someone. Alternatively, if someone wants to swap 5CDs for it, that's another option. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 1999 10:14 Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 72 > From: XxphyIeX@a... > > In a message dated 5/12/99 5:29:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > tadream@o... writes: > > << If I was stranded on a desert island and was only > allowed 50 (FIFTY) TD titles, TYGER would NOT be one of them. Of course, > that's just my opinion, I could be wrong....David >> > > agreed here.. > and i would raise that # to 100 td titles.. > id even take dupes of some just to avoid tyger lol > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Star Wars fans are using ONElist to share the fun. > http://www.ONElist.com > Are you? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! > From: Mats Nordlinder From: 'Plumer, Scott' Hey, all you guys knocking 'Tyger'. Don't ANY of you like 'Alchemy of the >Heart', or the two 'Twenty-First Century Common Man' parts? Maybe not half >the disc, but a good portion of it and excellent music. >I'd take it on a desert island for 'Alchemy'. There's some brilliant The problem I have with using it to introduce someone to TD doesn't have to do with the quality of the music so much as the fact that it's not very representative of their work. But what album is? They've changed so much that a compilation would be the only way to go. Of course, I don't own any... Aw heck, just give her Electronic Meditation, and then when she asks what the hell she's listening to, look at her innocently and say 'What's wrong with it?' Scott From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Wed May 12, 1999 12:40 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 72 Indeed very good but not TD at there best listen to Encore, Valentine Wheels , Logos and Stratosfear greetings Bert > ---------- > From: John Marchington[SMTP:johnm@p...] > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 13:39 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 72 > > 'Alchemy of the > Heart', or the two 'Twenty-First Century Common Man' parts? Maybe not half > the disc, but a good portion of it and excellent music. > From: 'Heiko Heer�en' From: Jeff Stevenson From: 'John Marchington' > >Thanks, Craig, I hadn't realised that there were two different versions of >the 2-CD set. I do have the brown-tinted cover, as you have suggested. I can >certainly see how TDers can have hundreds of albums if they go around trying >to collect every different version of every album the band has made! >I presume the version you have is a combination of the single CD and the >2-CD set I have; i.e. track continues through the applause in 'Tangent' to >the end, and there's 18:00 worth of 'Barbakane' I wonder if there are more than 2 versions. My discs are totally colorless (silver reflective) with brown text 'TANGERINE DREAM POLAND The Warsaw Concert' and 'Relativity'. Disc 1 has 2 separate tracks although Rare Bird is after a long silence at the end of track 2. My cousin's copy looks like mine but has blue writing instead of brown & has the 3 tracks. There is no 'tinting' on the disc tho. Jeff Stevenson jsteven@o... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: 'Joe Shoults' From: Jonathan > > It's interesting that just a few days ago, you guys were talking > about that > annoying CHOM-FM DJ talking in the middle of that CD. ... > > That was the first time that I saw that CD, so I nabbed it even > though that > period tends to have music that's a bit slow. Is it common? > Jonathan You mean is this tape common/widespread or is it common for TD to do radio broadcasts, or for DJs to taint them? I don't know. I've got it (but I'm not going to discuss trading it on-list). -joe From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'John Marchington' > If there isn't any means of checking to see if a vote has already > been cast > (by storing a cookie, or e-mail address or whatever when a vote is first > cast by an individual) in the TD ballots then, I agree, they ARE > a waste of > time. > Perhaps it was assumed that everyone would act responsibly!! yes, these polls toss you a cookie so they know if you've been there. But you can delete the cookie and clear everything under the header in your index.dat file in the cookies folder (IE), and go in with another e-mail address, and cheat. (maybe I shouldn't be telling this???) But if they snag your IP address, and base the exclusion on that, you couldn't do the cookie-delete-cheat thing. But this would also mean that only one person could ever vote from a shared machine, say at a library or something. By the way, there is another poll going on: http://www.rockmine.music.co.uk/. -joe From: Gabe Yedid From: Jonathan > > Found Tangents today for $100 Canadian in Toronto. That'll be $115 with > tax. I guess you guys think it's worth it, even if one owns the CDs of > those years, but this seems over-priced... How much have people been paying > in Canada? > > Jonathan When I bought _Tangents_, I paid only about $80 CDN...but that was when it was first released. If it's no longer in print, the few remaining copies are undoubtedly going to be jacked up in price. Gabe From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard.Kretz@v... [mailto:Bernhard.Kretz@v...] > Hi Joe ... > there is in deed a lot of traffic in the TD-Mailing-List. > Could you please tell me how to subscribe a 'Digest-Mode' ? > Bernhard Hi Bernhard- With pleasure! You have two very simple choices: 1) Go to http://www.onelist.com, log in, and check the box that says 'Digest'. You log in by entering your e-mail address and password and clicking on 'Member Center'. In case you don't know your password, I just had it sent to you (by trying to log in without the password). It is probably one of those hard-to-remember ones that are automatically generated when you subscribe, so you can easily go in and change it to something you'll remember if you want, once you log in. The reason I am suggesting this option first is because once you log in, you have access to a lot of neat options and features that are associated with the tadream list. 2) send a blank e-mail to: tadream-digest@o... If you encounter any difficulty, let me know and I will assist! And by the way, 'Digest' mode means e-mails come in blocks of 25 posts at a time, so if there are 50 posts in a day, you will get 2 e-mails. -joe P.S. I copied this to the list because I have received several similar requests, and maybe this will help others... np: Alchemy of the Heart, next: Andreas Vollenweider- Caverna Magica From: 'Plumer, Scott' > It's interesting that just a few days ago, you guys were talking >> about that >> annoying CHOM-FM DJ talking in the middle of that CD. ... >> >> That was the first time that I saw that CD, so I nabbed it even >> though that >> period tends to have music that's a bit slow. Is it common? >> Jonathan >You mean is this tape common/widespread or is it common for TD to do radio >broadcasts, or for DJs to taint them? I don't know. I've got it (but I'm >not going to discuss trading it on-list). >-joe It's quite common. It's been released on two ROIO CD's, as far as I know, and the tape of it circulates rather widely, primarily because of it's quality. That and the DC '77 show are the best-sounding shows from that era, since they were both simulcast on the radio. Stations in the states are required to identify themselves I think hourly, and I assume Canada and elsewhere have similar laws. TD concert structure in '77 didn't lend itself to station ID's too well, and if the DJ had to do it during the music, at least he did it that way and not like some annoying morning show guy. As an aside, a radio station in Cleveland that used to be among the best (but is now among the worst - WMMS-FM) a couple years ago aired a Pearl Jam concert and did a station ID in the middle of every single song! Scott From: Bennett Cookson Don't ANY of you like 'Alchemy of the Heart' ?? At first I didn't, in fact the whole CD mostly gathered dust for many years... Until I really listened to 'Alchemy of the Heart.' What a masterpiece! I now feel it is one of the all time best TD tracks! My advice if you don't like it, don't give up on that track, keep listening to it, listen closer... --Bennett From: Joel Mullen From: Michael A Jean From: 'Jens Peschke' From: Michael A Jean > > Knowing that JF is a huge Star Wars fan, I would be surprised if he > doesn't fly over to catch the opening this weekend... Perhaps one of us > will see him if we keep our eyes open.... Who cares about Jerome if you can watch the new Star Wars movie ???? I really envy you North Americans and would wet my trowsers if I could watch it *now*. We Germans have to wait 'til September - you know. Best Regards Jens From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > > Knowing that JF is a huge Star Wars fan, I would be surprised if he > > doesn't fly over to catch the opening this weekend... Perhaps one of us > > will see him if we keep our eyes open.... > > Who cares about Jerome if you can watch the new Star Wars movie ???? > I really envy you North Americans and would wet my trowsers > if I could watch it *now*. We Germans have to wait 'til September - you > know. Well, they just recently got back from the studio, and they might take a little free time to unwind before KlangArt... They say they are swamped (busy) these days until after KlangArt, but I wonder with what? I mean, they can't tour because of their schedule, so I wonder what are they doing? More soundtrack work? Working on the planned new releases like Lion's Share? and BTW: I too am really excited to see SW:TPM. We have this cool new theater with stadium-style seating where I will see it. People were lined up around the block to buy tickets this morning. You know, the book is out here in the States; is it available abroad? -joe From: PENFOLD Knowing that JF is a huge Star Wars fan, I would be surprised if he >doesn't fly over to catch the opening this weekend... Perhaps one of us >will see him if we keep our eyes open.... It was only unstoppable the Star Wars Meme! the saturation of products & misc is a little much. I do admit to buying some SW Lego(tm) Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. From: Gabe Yedid From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > I recently spotted a copy for �56. I don't know what the exchange rate is but > if this is cheaper I'll happily pick it up for someone. Alternatively, if > someone wants to swap 5CDs for it, that's another option. The exchange right now is 1 UKP = approx. $2.5 CDN. I really like _Tangents_, but even I wouldn't pay that much for it. > Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Gabe From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' From: tomm@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Wed May 12, 1999 9:52 pm Subject: Re: Jerome Watch >Who cares about Jerome if you can watch the new Star Wars movie ???? >I really envy you North Americans and would wet my trowsers >if I could watch it *now*. We Germans have to wait 'til September - you >know. Of course the downside to living in the states is having to wait for the domestic release of TD albums (unless I want to pay big $$$ for the import) and the near impossibility of finding albums by former members of the band (esp. Johannes Schmoelling. All I have is 'Wuivend Riet' and 'White Out'. If anyone out there can let me in on a good source for his other albums (preferably at reasonable prices) it would be greatly appreciated.) Tom From: tomm@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Wed May 12, 1999 10:20 pm Subject: Tangerine Ambience 1 & 2 Okay, this may be an old topic but I'm new to the list. I was just wondering if you all have heard the two Tangerine Dream tribute albums released by Hypnotic Records and what you thought of them. I picked them up a few months ago and I still think that they are both very interesting and entertaining recordings. Although these are cover versions, most of them are still very powerful and emotionally charged. To me (and I'm not being demeaning when I mention this) they resemble Edgar's rerecordings and embellished tracks on Tangents in many ways. They truly demonstrate the genius of Tangerine Dream as musical composers as well as performers. Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16438 Re: Tangerine Ambience 1 & 2 Steven Le Vine Sat 5/15/1999 1 KB 16461 Re: Tangerine Ambience 1 & 2 tomm@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Mon 5/17/1999 2 KB 16466 Re: Tangerine Ambience 1 & 2 yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx Mon 5/17/1999 2 KB 16470 Re: Tangerine Ambience 1 & 2 Tom Monaghan Mon 5/17/1999 1 KB 16495 Re: Tangerine Ambience 1 & 2 Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Tue 5/18/1999 2 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: Vic Rek From: Michael A Jean > > Knowing that JF is a huge Star Wars fan, I would be surprised if he > doesn't fly over to catch the opening this weekend... Perhaps one of us > will see him if we keep our eyes open.... From: Vic Rek From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > OK- OK- OK - GUYS very pissed preacher here! > > Lets be honest I like TYGER I'm sorry but there you go . > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Dan J. Schulte' > From: 'Jens Peschke' > > > From: Michael A Jean > > > > Knowing that JF is a huge Star Wars fan, I would be surprised if he > > doesn't fly over to catch the opening this weekend... Perhaps one of us > > will see him if we keep our eyes open.... > > Who cares about Jerome if you can watch the new Star Wars movie ???? > I really envy you North Americans and would wet my trowsers > if I could watch it *now*. We Germans have to wait 'til September - you > know. Aeeii!!! I forgot about that. I feel for ya Jens. I can't wait one more week! Me? I'll be shuffling into the theater on the 17th, AFTER the horrible crowding & soforth. Though I've heard mixed reviews I've got the whole collection of figures & I'm ready for the show! BTW, in case anyone cares, there is supposed to be a sequel of that hilarious Troops parody we all saw last year. Hope it's as good. In the meantime, if you haven't seen the Matrix Jens, get into that theater baby! It's the best film I've seen in a long long time. The music is pretty amazing too, though it's definitely on the techno end, it works. Dan-O the (.)(.) man (yeyehahahahah!...heh for the Jenster) -- Dan J. Schulte-Progressive Electronic Music Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Thursday, 13 May 1999 04:28 Subject: Re: [tadream] Talks about Tyger. > From: Bennett Cookson > > > > Don't ANY of you like 'Alchemy of the Heart' ?? > At first I didn't, in fact the whole CD mostly gathered dust > for many years... Until I really listened to 'Alchemy of the Heart.' What > a masterpiece! I now feel it is one of the all time best TD tracks! My > advice if you don't like it, don't give up on that track, keep listening to > it, listen closer... > > --Bennett > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Final Countdown is here! > http://www.ONElist.com > Join the 'Star Wars' craze at ONElist. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! > From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Thursday, 13 May 1999 04:33 Subject: Re: [tadream] New material > From: Jeff Stevenson > > At 10:42 PM 5/12/1999 +1200, you wrote: > >From: 'John Marchington' > > > >Thanks, Craig, I hadn't realised that there were two different versions of > >the 2-CD set. I do have the brown-tinted cover, as you have suggested. I can > >certainly see how TDers can have hundreds of albums if they go around trying > >to collect every different version of every album the band has made! > >I presume the version you have is a combination of the single CD and the > >2-CD set I have; i.e. track continues through the applause in 'Tangent' to > >the end, and there's 18:00 worth of 'Barbakane' > > I wonder if there are more than 2 versions. My discs are totally colorless > (silver reflective) with brown text 'TANGERINE DREAM POLAND The Warsaw > Concert' and 'Relativity'. Disc 1 has 2 separate tracks although Rare Bird > is after a long silence at the end of track 2. My cousin's copy looks like > mine but has blue writing instead of brown & has the 3 tracks. There is no > 'tinting' on the disc tho. > > Jeff Stevenson > jsteven@o... > > Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 > (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > How many communities do you think join ONElist each day? > http://www.onelist.com > More than 1,000! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16379 Re: New material Jeff Stevenson Thu 5/13/1999 2 KB 16380 Re: New material John Marchington Thu 5/13/1999 3 KB 16382 Re: New material John Marchington Thu 5/13/1999 2 KB 16387 Re: New material Nick adams Thu 5/13/1999 1 KB From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Thursday, 13 May 1999 02:49 Subject: Re: [tadream] Muze Poll > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > > From: 'John Marchington' > > If there isn't any means of checking to see if a vote has already > > been cast > > (by storing a cookie, or e-mail address or whatever when a vote is first > > cast by an individual) in the TD ballots then, I agree, they ARE > > a waste of > > time. > > Perhaps it was assumed that everyone would act responsibly!! > > yes, these polls toss you a cookie so they know if you've been there. But > you can delete the cookie and clear everything under the header in your > index.dat file in the cookies folder (IE), and go in with another e-mail > address, and cheat. (maybe I shouldn't be telling this???) But if they > snag your IP address, and base the exclusion on that, you couldn't do the > cookie-delete-cheat thing. But this would also mean that only one person > could ever vote from a shared machine, say at a library or something. > > By the way, there is another poll going on: > http://www.rockmine.music.co.uk/. > > -joe > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Got an opinion? > http://www.onelist.com > Make it count! Sign up for the ONElist Weekly Survey now. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! > From: Jeff Stevenson From: 'John Marchington' > >Pardon my ignorance, but I'm mystified by the mention of 'Rare Bird'. Is it >or is it not part of 'Tangent'? My 2-CD set didn't have any liner notes when >I bought it and the label for Disc One doesn't make any mention of it and >neither do the notes or the disc label with my single disc version. Where >did you get this title information from? Depending on your disc set you may or may not have a track 3 on disc 1 of _Poland_. If you do, that is Rarebird. If you don't, in the last 4 minutes of track 3, there will be a silence like a new track is starting when the music resumes...this is actually a separate song called Rarebird. I don't know why the liner notes don't list it. I only found out this track had a separate title myself about a year ago from others on the other list. Maybe someone can fill us in on where the separate title came from. Was Rarebird on any other titles floating around? Not on any commercial releases to my knowledge. Jeff Stevenson jsteven@o... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Thursday, 13 May 1999 06:01 Subject: Re: [tadream] New material > From: Jeff Stevenson > > At 11:43 AM 5/13/1999 +1200, you wrote: > >From: 'John Marchington' > > > >Pardon my ignorance, but I'm mystified by the mention of 'Rare Bird'. Is it > >or is it not part of 'Tangent'? My 2-CD set didn't have any liner notes when > >I bought it and the label for Disc One doesn't make any mention of it and > >neither do the notes or the disc label with my single disc version. Where > >did you get this title information from? > > Depending on your disc set you may or may not have a track 3 on disc 1 of > _Poland_. If you do, that is Rarebird. If you don't, in the last 4 > minutes of track 3, there will be a silence like a new track is starting > when the music resumes...this is actually a separate song called Rarebird. > I don't know why the liner notes don't list it. I only found out this > track had a separate title myself about a year ago from others on the other > list. Maybe someone can fill us in on where the separate title came from. > > Was Rarebird on any other titles floating around? Not on any commercial > releases to my knowledge. > > Jeff Stevenson > jsteven@o... > > Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 > (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking to expand your world? > http://www.onelist.com > ONElist has over 145,000 email communities from which to chose! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! > From: 'Michael A. Jean' > list. Maybe someone can fill us in on where the separate title > came from. > > > > Was Rarebird on any other titles floating around? Not on any commercial > > releases to my knowledge. > > > > J Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16389 Re: rarebird Sean Montgomery Thu 5/13/1999 1 KB 16442 Re: rarebird Michael A. Jean Sat 5/15/1999 1 KB 16468 Re: rarebird yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx Mon 5/17/1999 1 KB 16488 Re: rarebird Nick.Adams@p... Tue 5/18/1999 1 KB From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Thursday, 13 May 1999 03:42 Subject: Re: [tadream] New material > From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' > > > 2 J. MARCHINGTON (again), i agree again that ricochet's piano section(s) > are awesome, but i thought that the piano played on part II was played by > baumann?? > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > How many communities do you think join ONElist each day? > http://www.onelist.com > More than 1,000! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! > From: TJames0001@xxx.xxx Date: Thu May 13, 1999 5:42 am Subject: Re: What a Jerome Watch it!!!lol a 55 yr old person From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Thursday, 13 May 1999 05:42 Subject: Re: [tadream] What a Jerome > From: TJames0001@a... > > Watch it!!!lol a 55 yr old person > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get involved. Share your thoughts! > http://www.onelist.com > Join the ONElist Weekly Survey. Go to homepage for details. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! > From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Thu May 13, 1999 9:38 am Subject: Re: star wars > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > ALL I CAN SAY IS BASTARDS > > WE DON'T GET IT TILL LATE JUNE AT THE EARLIEST Holy Shit. I'll be in England in the middle of June and thought I might can watch it then. :-( Thanks for pissing me off even more, Carl. Thank you. ;-) Never mind Jens From: 'anthony simeone' From: tadream@o... >Reply-To: tadream@o... >To: tadream@o... >Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 73 >Date: 12 May 1999 20:04:29 -0000 > > >Hey, all you guys knocking 'Tyger'. Don't ANY of you like 'Alchemy of the >Heart', or the two 'Twenty-First Century Common Man' parts? Maybe not half >the disc, but a good portion of it and excellent music. >I'd take it on a desert island for 'Alchemy'. There's some brilliant >modulation in it, some fine keyboard work and the closing section is quite >lovely! In fact, another nice piano piece to join Part I of 'Pergamon' and >the start of Part II of 'Ricochet'. The 'Common Man' parts are pretty good, >too. The bouncy 'Vigour' (drums to the fore) on some issues has its moments >as well. >The three vocal tracks are always going to be a contentious issue. It's a >bit like 'Cyclone'. (The contribution I like from Steve Jolliffe there is >his woodwind playing, especially the central section of 'Bent Cold >Sidewalk'). > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 1999 10:14 >Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 72 > > > > From: XxphyIeX@a... > > > > In a message dated 5/12/99 5:29:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > tadream@o... writes: > > > > << If I was stranded on a desert island and was only > > allowed 50 (FIFTY) TD titles, TYGER would NOT be one of them. Of >course, > > that's just my opinion, I could be wrong....David >> > > > > agreed here.. > > and i would raise that # to 100 td titles.. > > id even take dupes of some just to avoid tyger lol > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Star Wars fans are using ONElist to share the fun. > > http://www.ONElist.com > > Are you? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From: 'Nick adams' From: 'John Marchington' > > Thanks for that info, Jeff. My 2-CD set has three tracks on the first disc > but only two tracks are listed on the label. As I mentioned, my 2-CD set > didn't have any liner notes when I bought it. Should there have been notes > in the case, I wonder? I'm certainly annoyed if someone in the shop took > them out before I bought it. In any case, I wonder why the disc label > doesn't state 'Track 3 Rarebird'. I guess we might never know. There is nothing wrong with your cd liner notes, on the Poland LP it doesn't mention Rarebird either, their is just a small break after tangents a bit of applause and then the track kicks in. Nick Home Nicad@C... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'John Marchington' > >Hey, all you guys knocking 'Tyger'. Don't ANY of you like 'Alchemy of the >Heart', or the two 'Twenty-First Century Common Man' parts? Maybe not half >the disc, but a good portion of it and excellent music. Okay, this is something that's been bubbling away inside of me for quite some time. Tyger comprises 4 tracks : Tyger, Smile, London and Alchemy of the Heart. That's it. Full stop. End. 21st Century Common Man and Vigour are all extras added to pad out various versions of CDs. 21st Century Common Man first appeared as a b-side to Tyger, but not on the original album. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sean Montgomery The title come from the 12' single Warsaw in the Sun.... That is the only > place I have ever seen it.... Actually, it appears by the name 'Rarebird' on the Dream Roots Collection. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Shadow' Hey, all you guys knocking 'Tyger'. Don't ANY of you like 'Alchemy of the > Heart', or the two 'Twenty-First Century Common Man' parts? Maybe not half > the disc, but a good portion of it and excellent music. > I'd take it on a desert island for 'Alchemy'. There's some brilliant > modulation in it, some fine keyboard work and the closing section is quite > lovely! In fact, another nice piano piece to join Part I of 'Pergamon' and > the start of Part II of 'Ricochet'. The 'Common Man' parts are pretty good, > too. The bouncy 'Vigour' (drums to the fore) on some issues has its moments > as well. Couldn't agree with you more. Listen to the album properly before slagging it off It's got three maybe four extremely good tracks and some you need to listen too. I'd take TYGER most definitely. ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenn, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Shadow' Aw heck, just give her Electronic Meditation, and then when she asks what > the hell she's listening to, look at her innocently and say 'What's wrong > with it?' > > Scott *grin* :-) Impossible I use it as a drinks coaster............ What would I put my drink on? ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenn, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Shadow' > Don't ANY of you like 'Alchemy of the Heart' ?? > At first I didn't, in fact the whole CD mostly gathered dust > for many years... Until I really listened to 'Alchemy of the Heart.' What > a masterpiece! I now feel it is one of the all time best TD tracks! My > advice if you don't like it, don't give up on that track, keep listening to > it, listen closer... > > --Bennett This works with many TD albums a few of the exceptions....... Electronic Meditation Zeit Transiberia etc................. I tried and my best but just melted my brain......... Even AQUA is better than these... I like Pheadra though weird. ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenn, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Shadow' Knowing that JF is a huge Star Wars fan, I would be surprised if he > doesn't fly over to catch the opening this weekend... Perhaps one of us > will see him if we keep our eyes open.... Already booked a week off work. Going to go everyday :-) When it's eventually on over here..... ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenn, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Aw heck, just give her Electronic Meditation, and then when she asks what >> the hell she's listening to, look at her innocently and say 'What's wrong >> with it?' >*grin* :-) >Impossible I use it as a drinks coaster............ >What would I put my drink on? You really want to know? How about Catch Me If You Can? :-) Scott From: 'Shadow' she can't have my What A Blast because I haven't finished sleeping with it yet. > > P:S tried removing the speakers Shadow but I couldn't here the music so I > put them back. YOU TOLD THE MISSUS YET M8 Or has she noticed your back to her in bed? Whilst you cuddle 'what a blast' lovingly???? ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenn, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Shadow' > Okay, this is something that's been bubbling away inside of me for quite some > time. > > Tyger comprises 4 tracks : Tyger, Smile, London and Alchemy of the Heart. > That's it. Full stop. End. Gotta admit u don't get much better than these tracks. j.G where are you when your Baby needs defending? Alchemy of the heart and smile rule oh and London and Tyger....... eh eh eh What an album UP TYGER!!!!!!!!! Come on Joe another Survey to put these fools in there place. Desert Island CD one choice!!! ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenn, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Shadow' >> Aw heck, just give her Electronic Meditation, and then when she asks what > >> the hell she's listening to, look at her innocently and say 'What's wrong > >> with it?' > > >*grin* :-) > > >Impossible I use it as a drinks coaster............ > >What would I put my drink on? > > You really want to know? How about Catch Me If You Can? :-) > > Scott Not got 'catch me if you can' yet....... I'll get it to listen too then eh??? What do you think scott? Could do with some frisbies...... ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenn, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >> Aw heck, just give her Electronic Meditation, and then when she asks >what >> >> the hell she's listening to, look at her innocently and say 'What's >wrong >> >> with it?' > >> >*grin* :-) > >> >Impossible I use it as a drinks coaster............ >> >What would I put my drink on? > >> You really want to know? How about Catch Me If You Can? :-) > >Not got 'catch me if you can' yet....... >I'll get it to listen too then eh??? >What do you think scott? >Could do with some frisbies...... I wouldn't use it as a Frisbee, I'd never to that to a TD product or any CD I thought I could get money for. Edgar, if you're reading this, I'm sure it was fine for the movie, but Man! that soundtrack is awful! Even worse than 'Caleb's Blues' on Near Dark. 'Frisbee' is a registered trademark of the Wham-O corporporation, and is used by permission. Scott From: Daventura From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu May 13, 1999 6:03 pm Subject: Re: Tyger in the Sand > Gotta admit u don't get much better than these tracks. > j.G where are you when your Baby needs defending? j.gordon here... you gotta be kidding me... I just start these things... I don't want to be in the middle of the fecal fan feasco... ;) anyway, I have to admit that Vigour is a wee bit out of place on the album (kind of like the last half of the West Berlin concert of LM)... however, I'm not sure that one can say that one release of an album is definitive and another derivative... that sounds a bit standoffish, something I'm sure no TD fan succumbs to... The last three tracks of Tyger stand up amidst some other tunes of the period without any problem (some of those tracks from LOTB... whee...) Besides, as we can see from the big line being drawn in the sand in the TD camp concerning who likes it and who wouldn't even use it as a drink coaster... the album stands for itself... those who don't think so, may never... so why try and convice them?... we know better... LOL :) Burn Bright, baby, 'cuz no-one else can... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu May 13, 1999 6:29 pm Subject: Re: Tyger > -----Original Message----- > From: Shadow [mailto:jolly@c...] ... > Come on Joe another Survey to put these fools in there place. > Desert Island CD one choice!!! OK. It is time for a new survey, anyway (still gotta get thru all the 'years' surveys, anyway). Give me a question and a list of possible responses not to exceed 25. -joe From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu May 13, 1999 6:41 pm Subject: Re: Goodbye For the benefit of everyone's info: one of the coolest things about onelist is that you don't have to unsub when you go on vacation or otherwise wish to halt the delivery of e-mails from the list. All you have to do is check a box at onelist.com entitled 'No Mail', and your mail is turned off. You can still get in to view archives, switch e-mail back on, switch to digest/normal modes, upload files to the 'shared files' section, view members' profiles, use the shared calendar, conduct/participate in surveys and add bookmarks to the shared bookmarks section. You log in with your subscribed e-mail address, and if you don't remember your password, onelist will e-mail it to you (you can change your password once logged in if you want). Also, has anyone tried the 'Chat' function on the http://tadream.copfer.com website yet? -joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Daventura [mailto:tadream@v...] > I guess I'll post this here too. I'm leaving tomorrow (Friday). > If anyone needs to get a hold of me, I can be reached at > 'tadreamusa@h...'. Wish me luck...See you soon, hopefully....David Good luck, Dave! From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu May 13, 1999 6:46 pm Subject: Re: Tyger Survey > OK. It is time for a new survey, anyway (still gotta get thru all the > 'years' surveys, anyway). Give me a question and a list of possible > responses not to exceed 25. > j.gordon here... okay, how 'bout this: Question: You crash on a desert Island and are only able to rescue one Tangerine CD from your wrecked vehicle. Which would it be? The choices can be the top five selections from each of the five 'Years' surveys. I know it means waiting a little, but it would be a good way to get the 25 choices and would point to the more popular albums... How's dat? j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Thu May 13, 1999 9:16 pm Subject: Joe Shoults re onelist Hi joe long time no speak hows it hangin. Just to let you know that there may be a problem with the tick box on the site with regards to switching off your E-Mails( onelist) Tried to stop Mail from Beyond yesterday only to find 70 odd mails tonight when I came on line. Is there a problem or am I just still a techno phobe. The Preacher ( Carl ) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16417 Re: Joe Shoults re onelist j s Fri 5/14/1999 1 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Thu May 13, 1999 10:07 pm Subject: Punishment from Above. Appologies guys for yesterdays emotional out bursts just had a shity day. Had to fire an employee ,can't stand a theif. Anyway the big guy up there has punished me BIG time. We had what I thought was a small leak in the plumbing about a month ago, Tonight decided to check on the facts surounding the exact tracks on T---r the original vinyl version ( remember them ) Found five albums totally destroyed by water all TD . But most painfull of all was finding two of my programes from I think 76 and 81 totaly destroyed, I wept as I mushed them up and sent them to the big Garbage dump in the sky. A sad day for mankind. The Preacher. From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu May 13, 1999 10:02 pm Subject: nomail test hmmm... I'll check on it, and send a query to onelist support. consider this a test message, as I checked NOMAIL on my test sub... > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl & Jacqui Kearney > Just to let you know that there may be a problem with the tick box on the > site with regards to switching off your E-Mails( onelist) > > Tried to stop Mail from Beyond yesterday only to find 70 odd mails tonight > when I came on line. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16407 Re: nomail test Joe Shoults Thu 5/13/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu May 13, 1999 10:05 pm Subject: Re: nomail test indeed you are correct- I got this mail despite switching off. I'm on it; thanks for the heads up! > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@c...] > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 6:02 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] nomail test > > > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > hmmm... > I'll check on it, and send a query to onelist support. > > consider this a test message, as I checked NOMAIL on my test sub... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carl & Jacqui Kearney > > Just to let you know that there may be a problem with the tick > box on the > > site with regards to switching off your E-Mails( onelist) > > > > Tried to stop Mail from Beyond yesterday only to find 70 odd > mails tonight > > when I came on line. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ONElist: the best source for group communications. > http://www.onelist.com > Join a new list today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in > your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for > more info. > Thank you! > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Thu May 13, 1999 10:30 pm Subject: All quiet Yo Dudes its amazing how 6 cans of Stella Artois can make you feal much better. I have a theory that everyone goes to the pub on a Thursday night. Its very quiet out there. Is there anybody out there ? Just nod if you can hear me, Is there anyone home? From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Thu May 13, 1999 10:55 pm Subject: Cd players Hi guys Sorry for the non TD question but does anyone know where I can get hold of a decent Graphic equalizer off the Net without it costing me a fortune. My What A Blast is suffering with this standard Win 98 player. Not enough range. Thanks The Preacher. From: 'Shadow' From: 'Shadow' From: 'Michael A. Jean' From: 'John Marchington' To: tadream Sent: Thursday, 13 May 1999 10:09 Subject: Re: [tadream] Tyger > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > > > >From: 'John Marchington' > > > >Hey, all you guys knocking 'Tyger'. Don't ANY of you like 'Alchemy of the > >Heart', or the two 'Twenty-First Century Common Man' parts? Maybe not half > >the disc, but a good portion of it and excellent music. > > Okay, this is something that's been bubbling away inside of me for quite some > time. > > Tyger comprises 4 tracks : Tyger, Smile, London and Alchemy of the Heart. > That's it. Full stop. End. > > 21st Century Common Man and Vigour are all extras added to pad out various > versions of CDs. 21st Century Common Man first appeared as a b-side to Tyger, > but not on the original album. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... > Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 > Alenia Marconi Systems > Simulation and Training Division > Donibristle, Fife, Scotland > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Congratulations to 'Trail Rider,' our latest ONElist of the Week. > http://www.ONElist.com > Visit our homepage and share with us how ONElist is changing YOUR life! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. > Thank you! > From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri May 14, 1999 2:51 pm Subject: Re: Can Atilla now in stock... > From: 'Michael A. Jean' > Can Atilla AVE is now in stock. > Price $18 + $4 P/H = $22 total. > A. Patterson / Eurock > P.O.B. 13718 > Portland, OR 97213 USA > http://www.eurock.com Hey Michael- I went there, but couldn't find any info; do you have a more specific URL than the homepage? -joe From: tadream-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx Date: Fri May 14, 1999 4:00 pm Subject: New Survey Hello, There is a new survey for the tadream community. 'Best of' SURVEY #3 of 5 covering different periods of TD full-length studio and soundtrack albums: ...The �Blue Years� (1984-1987)... Please select your single choice of the best album from the Blue Years period. Results will be permanently posted and available through the 'Surveys' link on the tadream home page. ---- Possible answers are: o Firestarter (soundtrack, 1984) o Flashpoint (soundtrack, 1984) o Le Parc (studio, 1985) o Heartbreakers (soundtrack, 1985) o Underwater Sunlight (studio, 1986) o The Park is Mine (soundtrack, 1986) o Legend (soundtrack, 1986) o Three O'Clock High (soundtrack, 1987) o Near Dark (soundtrack, 1987) o Deadly Care (soundtrack, 1987) o Tyger (studio release, 1987) o Shy People (soundtrack, 1987) To vote, please visit the following web page: http://www.onelist.com/surveycenter/tadream Thanks! tadream Owner Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16416 Re: New Survey Joe Shoults Fri 5/14/1999 2 KB 16431 Re: New Survey Vic Rek Sat 5/15/1999 2 KB 16433 Re: New Survey Joe Shoults Sat 5/15/1999 2 KB 16437 Re: New Survey Steven Le Vine Sat 5/15/1999 2 KB 16681 New Survey tadream-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx Tue 6/1/1999 1 KB 16794 New Survey tadream-owner@O... Fri 6/11/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > Subject: [tadream] New Survey > From: tadream-owner@O... > ... > Hello, > > There is a new survey for the tadream community. > > 'Best of' SURVEY #3 of 5 covering different periods of TD > full-length studio and soundtrack albums: > ...The �Blue Years� (1984-1987)... > To vote, please visit the following web page: > ... http://www.onelist.com/surveycenter/tadream Thanks! tadream Owner From: 'j s' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' >Subject: [tadream] Joe Shoults re onelist >Just to let you know that there may be a problem with the tick box on the >site with regards to switching off your E-Mails( onelist) After checking from this test subscription I have, and having a few others check, the 'No Mail' switch on the onlist.com site seems to be working. When I did it yesterday, it let mail through because it takes about 5-10 minutes for the server to recognize the switch. 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ID Date Size 16420 (no subject) no email address Thu 1/1/1970 1 KB 16421 (no subject) no email address Thu 1/1/1970 1 KB 16422 (no subject) no email address Thu 1/1/1970 1 KB 16423 (no subject) no email address Thu 1/1/1970 1 KB 16424 (no subject) no email address Thu 1/1/1970 1 KB 16425 (no subject) no email address Thu 1/1/1970 1 KB 16426 (no subject) From mjean@xxxxxx.xxxxxx.xxxx Thu 1/1/1970 4 KB 16430 (no subject) Brian Romer Fri 5/14/1999 1 KB 16465 (no subject) archangel333@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxx Mon 5/17/1999 1 KB From: Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:08:51 +0100 > From: 'Shadow' > Subject: All alone in the night. > > Carl Not to worry i've just got home m8 > came home earlier to check my E-mails. > Sent some, read some. > Been a shitty day all round. > Sorry to hear of the bad luck on the > vinyls/Programmes > The theif deserves it. > > ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' > Delenn, Severed Dreams... > > Shadow > > > > From: Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: > From: Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:13:37 +0100 > From: 'Shadow' > Subject: The Keep > > Tomorrow (FRI) > We shall see if my copy of the Keep has arrived. > All being well I will listen to it all night at > work. > Come home and listen to it again. > Wake up and listen to it some more and won't get any > ear ache about it. > My girlfriends away all weekend. JOY!! > I meant that in a nice way Jennifer honest. > > ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' > Delenn, Severed Dreams... > > Shadow > > > > From: Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: > From: Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:59:20 -0500 > From: 'Michael A. Jean' > Subject: Can Atilla now in stock... > > Can Atilla AVE is now in stock. > > Price $18 + $4 P/H = $22 total. > > > > A. Patterson / Eurock > P.O.B. 13718 > Portland, OR 97213 USA > http://www.eurock.com > > > Regards, > > Michael A. Jean > > > > From: Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: > From: Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:09:17 +1200 > From: 'John Marchington' > Subject: Re: Tyger > > Once again I seem to be indebted to you, Craig. I > only acquired about six TD > albums on LP, then went quiet on them until I > spotted the CD of 'Phaedra' > which really started the ball rolling. Thus, > virtually all my purchases have > been on CD where, as we all know, it is common > practice to 'pad out' > original releases (although the Virgin TD CD > releases seem to have retained > their original material. Correct me if I'm wrong > here!) . I obviously wasn't > aware that '21st Century Common Man' was not on the > original release of > 'Tyger'. I DID know about 'Vigour' as I have a CHIP > 47 version which doesn't > include it. > None of the above, of course, alters my opinion > about 'Alchemy of the > Heart'. TD at their best! I don't dislike 'Tyger' or > 'London' but I would > have to say that I'm not all that enamoured with > 'Smile', despite having > played it a number of times. It might have been > better as a purely > instrumental piece. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > To: tadream > Sent: Thursday, 13 May 1999 10:09 > Subject: Re: [tadream] Tyger > > > > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > > > > > > > > >From: 'John Marchington' > > > > > >Hey, all you guys knocking 'Tyger'. Don't ANY of > you like 'Alchemy of the > > >Heart', or the two 'Twenty-First Century Common > Man' parts? Maybe not > half > > >the disc, but a good portion of it and excellent > music. > > > > Okay, this is something that's been bubbling away > inside of me for quite > some > > time. > > > > Tyger comprises 4 tracks : Tyger, Smile, London > and Alchemy of the Heart. > > That's it. Full stop. End. > > > > 21st Century Common Man and Vigour are all extras > added to pad out various > > versions of CDs. 21st Century Common Man first > appeared as a b-side to > Tyger, > > but not on the original album. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Craig R. J. Cordrey > craig.cordrey@g... > > Senior Software Engineer 01383 > 828187 > > Alenia Marconi Systems > > Simulation and Training Division > > Donibristle, Fife, Scotland > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Congratulations to 'Trail Rider,' our latest > ONElist of the Week. > > http://www.ONElist.com > > Visit our homepage and share with us how ONElist > is changing YOUR life! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off > your HTML e-mail option, > and appropriately editing original messages in your > replies. === message truncated === _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From: Michael A Jean From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Brian Romer' From: Vic Rek There is a new survey for the tadream community. > > 'Best of' SURVEY #3 of 5 covering different periods of TD full-length studio and soundtrack albums: > ...The �Blue Years� (1984-1987)... > Please select your single choice of the best album from the Blue Years period. > Results will be permanently posted and available through the 'Surveys' link on the tadream home page. > > ---- > > Possible answers are: Actually, there are more possible answers.... From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Vic Rek [mailto:torque19@i...] > > Sorry to be rude, but isn't this a list to discuss TD? > This sounds too much like marketing for me. > Why would a list owner try to start surveys? > Give that opportunity to a fan on the list to start a thread. > > And what's this that the results will be permanently posted - who cares? > It can change after TD's next release! > > Vic > > P.S. Sorry Joe, but I still don't understand your motivations??? > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Shadow' >To: >Subject: [tadream] The Keep >Date: Thu, May 13, 1999, 7:13 PM > >From: 'Shadow' > >Tomorrow (FRI) >We shall see if my copy of the Keep has arrived. >All being well I will listen to it all night at work. >Come home and listen to it again. >Wake up and listen to it some more and won't get any ear ache about it. >My girlfriends away all weekend. JOY!! >I meant that in a nice way Jennifer honest. > >' If you value your lives be some were else. ' >Delenn, Severed Dreams... > >Shadow > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >ONElist: the best source for group communications. >http://www.onelist.com >Join a new list today! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, >and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. Visit our >website at http://tadream.copfer.com for more info. >Thank you! > From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Plumer, Scott' >>What would I put my drink on? > >You really want to know? How about Catch Me If You Can? :-) > >Scott > From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: Vic Rek > >Sorry to be rude, but isn't this a list to discuss TD? >This sounds too much like marketing for me. >Why would a list owner try to start surveys? >Give that opportunity to a fan on the list to start a thread. > >And what's this that the results will be permanently posted - who cares? >It can change after TD's next release! > >Vic > >P.S. Sorry Joe, but I still don't understand your motivations??? > >> There is a new survey for the tadream community. >> >> 'Best of' SURVEY #3 of 5 covering different periods of TD full-length >studio and soundtrack albums: >> ...The �Blue Years� (1984-1987)... >> Please select your single choice of the best album from the Blue Years period. >> Results will be permanently posted and available through the 'Surveys' >link on the tadream home page. >> >> ---- >> >> Possible answers are: > >Actually, there are more possible answers.... > From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: tomm@e... (Tom Monaghan) >if you all have heard the two Tangerine Dream tribute albums released by >Hypnotic Records and what you thought of them. I picked them up a few months >ago and I still think that they are both very interesting and entertaining >recordings. Although these are cover versions, most of them are still very >powerful and emotionally charged. From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Jens Peschke' >> From: Michael A Jean >> >> Knowing that JF is a huge Star Wars fan, I would be surprised if he > >Who cares about Jerome if you can watch the new Star Wars movie ???? >I really envy you North Americans and would wet my trowsers >if I could watch it *now*. We Germans have to wait 'til September - you >know. > >Best Regards > >Jens From: 'Michael A. Jean' From: 'Michael A. Jean' > 21st Century Common Man and Vigour are all extras added to pad out various > versions of CDs. 21st Century Common Man first appeared as a > b-side to Tyger, > but not on the original album. It was during the time when CDs were just breaking into the broader market and many companies put bonus tracks on to encourage folks to buy cd players...It worked for me..I went out and bought a cd player that day! > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... > Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 > Alenia Marconi Systems > Simulation and Training Division > Donibristle, Fife, Scotland > -------------------------------------------------------------- > From: 'Michael A. Jean' > From: Sean Montgomery > > > > The title come from the 12' single Warsaw in the Sun.... That > is the only > > place I have ever seen it.... > > Actually, it appears by the name 'Rarebird' on the Dream Roots Collection. > I stand corrected... MJ From: 'Steven Le Vine' anyone know anything about 'Perry Rhodan' (The CD) &/or 'Tenchi Muyo in Love'? siberkat WHAT ABOUT THEM.....I fwould take Perry Rhodan if I had to choose....it has one REALLY nice ten minute track called FROST RUBY From: Stephen Kyle Date: Sat May 15, 1999 11:42 am Subject: Re: The Keep I have been searching and waiting for the soundtrack to 'The Keep' for yesas. If anyone can give me a hint as to how to find a copy, please let me know! Thank you. Steve Kyle Quincy, Mass. >From: 'Steven Le Vine' > >Did you get? If so, give me a phone number or something! I am sick of this >crap. Finding 'The Keep' is about as easy finding a nyphomaniac on the >list! > >siberkat >---------- >>From: 'Shadow' >>To: >>Subject: [tadream] The Keep >>Date: Thu, May 13, 1999, 7:13 PM >> > >>From: 'Shadow' >> >>Tomorrow (FRI) >>We shall see if my copy of the Keep has arrived. >>All being well I will listen to it all night at work. >>Come home and listen to it again. >>Wake up and listen to it some more and won't get any ear ache about it. >>My girlfriends away all weekend. JOY!! >>I meant that in a nice way Jennifer honest. >> >>' If you value your lives be some were else. 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To >unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com Stephen Kyle skyle@t... www.tiac.net/users/skyle From: 'Lawry Simm' Its 2 am in the morning here and I'm getting bored. If you find yourself in the same predicament tonight (Saturday) or next week.. come to #tadream on DALNET and chat in real-time (IRC) with about a dozen TD fans... Regards, Lawry From: 'joe shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Lawry Simm [mailto:lawrysimm@u...] > If you find yourself in the same predicament tonight (Saturday) or > next week.. come to #tadream on DALNET and chat in real-time (IRC) > with about a dozen TD fans... > > Regards, > Lawry > From: 'James Horecka, AIA' From: 'j.gordon' _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16452 Re: Confrontation Thief Thomas Sun 5/16/1999 2 KB 16469 Re: Confrontation Thief Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Mon 5/17/1999 2 KB 16473 Re: Confrontation Thief Charles Amos Mon 5/17/1999 3 KB 16474 Re: Confrontation Thief Charles Amos Mon 5/17/1999 3 KB 16489 Re: Confrontation Thief Steven Le Vine Tue 5/18/1999 2 KB 16505 Re: Confrontation Thief Charles Amos Tue 5/18/1999 3 KB From: 'koulos' Date: Sat May 15, 1999 4:10 pm Subject: Re: sleepy heads go visit http://www.mirc.com and download it..also you can download another programm calles pirch but i don't know from where...then you puss the connect button.....after you install it..and you select a dalnet server after you are logged in....just type /join #tadream ----- Original Message ----- From: joe shoults To: Sent: Saturday, May 15, 1999 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] sleepy heads > From: 'joe shoults' > > Hey Lawry- > What is DALNET? There's something you have to download, right? Is there a > website that explains? > From: 'Shadow' Did you get? If so, give me a phone number or something! I am sick of this > crap. Finding 'The Keep' is about as easy finding a nyphomaniac on the > list! Sorry Steve I didn't get the chance to check. I will E-mail you with my findings...... Let us know how the screening goes for Phantom Menace.. LUCKY SOD!!!! ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenn, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Shadow' >>Finding 'The Keep' is about as easy finding a nyphomaniac on the >> list! > >Sorry Steve I didn't get the chance to check. I will E-mail you with my >findings...... >Let us know how the screening goes for Phantom Menace.. >LUCKY SOD!!!! >Shadow From: 'Thomas' From: 'j.gordon' > > >j.gordon here... > >Question for the galley slaves... > >I have a cassette of Thief from many years ago with what I thought was the normal lineup starting >with Beach Scene and ending with Confrontation... > >but when I got it on disc, it had changed... (suprise... what the Hell is Quazar doing there in >TOB?) > >anyway, on the 'new' Thief, Beach Theme had appeared in the middle of the CD and Confrontation >(what I consider to be the best track on the album) had dropped off the end... (ten little indians >and this one said, 'Roll over, Roll over') (please don't misconstrue that last thing to be a >commentary on WHY it was done... :) > >and, kick in the pants, Beach Theme is simply Beach Scene with a moustache and a new hat... > >So, Plumer and Co., ideas on why, when and what-was-behind-its? > >Luckily, little green aliens dropped (cougheocough) in my lap and Confrontation is to be found >there... whew!... and, since we're on it who is (coughcraigcoughsafrancough)? > >Thanks for the help Tyger rustlers and those who abstain... > >j.gordon Hi J. I have the vinyl version of 'Thief' which has 'Confrontation' on it. It is released by Elektra in 1981, and is supposed to be the American version of the soundtrack. As far as I know the movie was out with two different names, one is 'Thief' of course. But it is also known as 'Violen Streets'. I think maybe that has something to do with it. 'Confrontation' is written by a person named Craig Safan, but who performs it I cannot say. It is really unlike TD to do a song like this, so my guess is that the songwriter performed it. These are only guesses, maybe somebody knows more??????? Best, Thomas From: TheKobaian@a... Date: Sun May 16, 1999 8:53 am Subject: Re: Tangents In a message dated 99-04-19 07:06:13 EDT, you write: << I have never actually heard 'Tangents', but I guess this was remastered and some new tracks added in, and some fans object to this. Again, it seems that some fans feel as if it is 'their' music and it is being tampered with!>> Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but my main complaint is that they have tons of live tapes in the catalog, plus who knows how much unreleased studio recordings, and most of Tangents still ended up being mostly edited, remixed and/or recorded versions of stuff that was already released. Personally, I would rather have heard Silve Scale and the other tracks on the fifth disc as they were originally played by the original musicians, not how Edgar now feels they should be presented. I did kinda like some of the edits, like with Force Majeure or the Tangram excerpts, but in general, I would have like the set to have included more material I didn't already know. Really, was the whole point of re-recording things like Phaedra or Dominion, anyway? These were major de-constructions or anything, they were just new recordings of the basically the same pieces, with little or no change. May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16463 Re: Tangents tomm@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Mon 5/17/1999 3 KB 16811 Tangents Jonathan Schick Sat 6/12/1999 1 KB 16812 Re: Tangents Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 6/12/1999 1 KB 17195 Tangents Derk Sat 7/10/1999 1 KB 17197 Re: Tangents JMPoer Sun 7/11/1999 2 KB 18313 Tangents Olle.Rundgren@xxx.xx Mon 10/11/1999 1 KB 18315 Re: Tangents Heiko Heer�en Mon 10/11/1999 2 KB 18336 Re: Tangents James Horecka, AIA Tue 10/12/1999 1 KB From: TheKobaian@a... Date: Sun May 16, 1999 8:59 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 40 In a message dated 99-04-19 07:06:13 EDT, you write: << you are saying you don't understand why TD and other groups release so many 'Best Of' albums, and I think I can help you with that question: They release them because people buy them, and because these types of records serve as excellent introductory vehicles for new listeners and old fans alike to gain exposure to music to which they might not have otherwise listened, covering several albums at once. We have just been discussing on this list how so many TD albums 'grow on you', even when you didn't like them initially. >> Actually, most compilations are the work of idiot record company executives who are out to bleed the audience of every dollar they can squeeze out of them. I strongly suspect Edgar and other members of TD (past or present) had little to do with the Pink Years and Blue Years comps, for instance. They probably didn't even have any say so in whether or not such a thing would be released. I've never really understood the point of comps in the first place, since they usually gather together the greatest hits or whatever of a given artists, and usually ignore the way superior album tracks a given group or artist have recorded. Obviously, this wouldn't hold true for Tangerine Dream since they don't really have any greatest hits, do they? However, it still seems kinda stupid to keep re-releasing the same old music. To me, a far more intelligent thing would be to dig out some of the unreleased studio or live stuff. And without Edgar tampering with the mix! If I'm gonna buy a live TD album that was recorded in say, 82, dammit, I wanna hear what the band sounded like in 82, not what Edgar now wishes they had sounded like. If he can't be bothered to not mess with stuff, then he should consider not griping about the trading and/or selling of bootlegs. May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris PS Sorry for replying twice to basically the same post, and also for the late reply, seems the digest system is no better than the regular. From: TheKobaian@a... Date: Sun May 16, 1999 9:12 am Subject: Re: Hawkwind In a message dated 99-04-20 07:14:14 EDT, you write: << Hi Steven Carl here. If your not sure about buying any Hawkwind albums just make sure you get one with the track Silver Machine , There are several versions of the track but try and get one when Lemmy was still with the band (much better base line ) By the way in case you didn't know Lemmy -Motorhead or am I insulting your intelligence. >> Then make sure you either get the EMI version of the Statis compilation (NOT the One Way version) or whichever one of the EMI remasters that has Silver Machine on it. Let me back up here a second: back around 90 or 91, I believe, EMI released a compilation in the UK called Statis. This basically gathered together most of their early single releases plus a handful of album tracks (including the entire first side of Space Ritual). It came with a nice booklet with lots of pictures (which caught me off guard at the time as I had never seen pictures of this quality of the band members at the time) and a great essay covering their career from around the time of the release of In Search Of Space and leading on up through the Warrior On The Edge Of Time era. This comp includes what I believe is the original 7' mix of the original version of Silver Machine, which was a live track with extensive studio overdubbing, including Lemmy's vocals (the original, unadorned version appears on the Glastonbury Festival CD, with Bob Calvert taking the lead vocal, and once you hear this, you'll understand why they overdubbed Lemmy in his place!). About 2 or 3 years later, the same compilation, minus the pictures and essay, was issued in the US by a label called One Way. Given the stories I've heard about One Way's poor quality on some of their releases (including their reissues of the first five Hawkwind albums), it's likely that this one also isn't perfect sounding. Skip ahead to 96 or 97, I think it was: EMI releases deluxe remasters of all of the first five Hawkwind albums. Each one includes bonus photos and artwork, all the original artwork (yes, In Search Of Space has been reunited with the Hawkwind Log, the booklet that came with the original LP) and various bonus tracks. I believe it's either In Search Of Space or Doremi Fasol Latido that has that same version of Silver Machine. Unfortunately, these remasters are hard to come by in the US, as they're very expensive, and I guess being that Hawkwind is something of a 'cult' band here in the US, no one wants to take the risk of getting stiffed with a bunch of imports they can't unload. My copies of Hall Of The Mountain Grill and Space Ritual I actually bought from a guy who was selling them at the Hawkwind show they played in Cleveland in 97, and I've yet to see the other again since then. :-( May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16457 Re: Hawkwind Graf Zeigen Sun 5/16/1999 4 KB 16464 Re: Hawkwind TheKobaian@xxx.xxx Mon 5/17/1999 2 KB From: TheKobaian@a... Date: Sun May 16, 1999 9:16 am Subject: Re: special ordering In a message dated 99-04-20 07:14:14 EDT, you write: << But gang, beleive it or not, if you are old fashion, some decent record shops will 'Special Order' some TD stuff. >> But be careful. Last year, I special ordered Rubycon, Ricochet and Phaedra from Borders. When they came, they were not only the old, pre-remastered versions, but they also wanted $17.99 for them. :-P I still haven't found any of those three remastered, though I did manage to find Tangram at a Camelot music, of all places. May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16458 Re: special ordering Steven Le Vine Sun 5/16/1999 2 KB From: 'Graf Zeigen' Date: Sun May 16, 1999 9:37 am Subject: Re: Hawkwind As a fan and completist of Hawkwind I can second some of this. Try them out for yourself. Definately one of the best bands ever. I personally like 'Quark, Srtangeness, and Charm' the best. Graf ----- Original Message ----- From: TheKobaian@a... To: tadream@o... Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Hawkwind From: TheKobaian@a... In a message dated 99-04-20 07:14:14 EDT, you write: << Hi Steven Carl here. If your not sure about buying any Hawkwind albums just make sure you get one with the track Silver Machine , There are several versions of the track but try and get one when Lemmy was still with the band (much better base line ) By the way in case you didn't know Lemmy -Motorhead or am I insulting your intelligence. >> Then make sure you either get the EMI version of the Statis compilation (NOT the One Way version) or whichever one of the EMI remasters that has Silver Machine on it. Let me back up here a second: back around 90 or 91, I believe, EMI released a compilation in the UK called Statis. This basically gathered together most of their early single releases plus a handful of album tracks (including the entire first side of Space Ritual). It came with a nice booklet with lots of pictures (which caught me off guard at the time as I had never seen pictures of this quality of the band members at the time) and a great essay covering their career from around the time of the release of In Search Of Space and leading on up through the Warrior On The Edge Of Time era. This comp includes what I believe is the original 7' mix of the original version of Silver Machine, which was a live track with extensive studio overdubbing, including Lemmy's vocals (the original, unadorned version appears on the Glastonbury Festival CD, with Bob Calvert taking the lead vocal, and once you hear this, you'll understand why they overdubbed Lemmy in his place!). About 2 or 3 years later, the same compilation, minus the pictures and essay, was issued in the US by a label called One Way. Given the stories I've heard about One Way's poor quality on some of their releases (including their reissues of the first five Hawkwind albums), it's likely that this one also isn't perfect sounding. Skip ahead to 96 or 97, I think it was: EMI releases deluxe remasters of all of the first five Hawkwind albums. Each one includes bonus photos and artwork, all the original artwork (yes, In Search Of Space has been reunited with the Hawkwind Log, the booklet that came with the original LP) and various bonus tracks. I believe it's either In Search Of Space or Doremi Fasol Latido that has that same version of Silver Machine. Unfortunately, these remasters are hard to come by in the US, as they're very expensive, and I guess being that Hawkwind is something of a 'cult' band here in the US, no one wants to take the risk of getting stiffed with a bunch of imports they can't unload. My copies of Hall Of The Mountain Grill and Space Ritual I actually bought from a guy who was selling them at the Hawkwind show they played in Cleveland in 97, and I've yet to see the other again since then. :-( May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Final Countdown is here! http://www.ONElist.com Join the 'Star Wars' craze at ONElist. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Sun May 16, 1999 12:56 pm Subject: Re: special ordering Hey 'TheKobaian, I understand, but I S/O 'Hollywood Years 1 & 2' & 'Quinona' (all excellent by the way). The little woman paid $25.00 each & they were the imports. The moral of the whole story is since then 'HY 1 & 2' & a few other TDI releases have since been relased in the US (lucked out & picked up the US release of 'Transiberia' last night for $14.99 at 'Best Buy'). & I've seen Rubycon, Ricochet and Phaedra all over 'the net' for under $10.00. I am under the impression that they are not 'the remastered' versions though. I have seen those for S/O on some other places for around the price Borders wanted though. That is why I like dealling with 'the little guy' record store if possible. 53 Hours to go. siberkat P.S, Well Joe, how's it look? ---------- >From: TheKobaian@a... \><< But gang, beleive it or not, if you are old fashion, some decent > record shops will 'Special Order' some TD stuff. >> > >But be careful. Last year, I special ordered Rubycon, Ricochet and Phaedra >from Borders. When they came, they were not only the old, pre-remastered >versions, but they also wanted $17.99 for them. :-P I still haven't found any >of those three remastered, though I did manage to find Tangram at a Camelot >music, of all places. May you never thirst! >The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris From: 'Lawry Simm' Hey Lawry- > What is DALNET? There's something you have to download, right? Is there a > website that explains? DALNET is a network of IRC (Internet Relay Chat) servers. You don't download it as such, but you connect to it. However, to connect to an IRC server you need an IRC client program. The best for PC's is mIRC which can be downloaded from www.mirc.com. mIRC is unrestricted shareware. Morgan packaged up an easy install version which will automatically install and connect to #tadream which is available from www.phoenix.net/~feldon/mirctadr.exe though this may still be configured to connect to EFNET (another set of IRC servers) which is were #tadream was based until there was a hostile take-over of the channel a couple of weeks back. DALNET's website is www.dal.net mIRC's website is www.mirc.com and has loads of information and FAQ's about IRC For anyone planning to join in, Friday night is the best and busiest, with about half as many people coming back for more on the Saturday. If you are not sure what to do, but want to join in on Friday, I can guide you in via ICQ - 23267226 or lawrysimm on AOL's Instant Messenger, or even just via email if you have neither of these programs. Cheers' Lawry From: 'Shadow' From: tomm@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Sun May 16, 1999 11:01 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience 1 & 2 >Hey Tom, > >'Welcome to the list!' Well, thanks bunches! It's great to be here. :) >1 is OK, got 2 a month or so ago. It is awesome!!!! Cannot get enough! I definitely agree. I thought the the first one was okay (I find that version of Dolphin Dance' very 'interesting') with the one major standout being 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' (Hey, I like _Cyclone_. I can admit that.). I've found myself listening to the second one a whole lot lately. Not that there's anything wrong with that, IMHO. And as you mentioned, 'Stratosfear' and 'Phaedra' are excellent, unforgettable tracks. >Actually got the 1st one & thought I liked 'Force Majeure' better than the >TD version. Boy, was I wrong. But definately like 'Straosfear' & 'Phaedra' >more than the originals. My thoughts exactly! It truly is amazing how some artists can take a great concept and make it even better than the original. That's why I like these tribute albums - because I like hearing other artist's interpretations of the music I've been enjoying for many, many years. >'Keep Dreamin', > > >siberkat You can bet on it! Tom From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' To: Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 10:36 PM Subject: [tadream] THE KEEP > From: 'Shadow' > > Well it has arrived and is waiting for me to pick up. > THE KEEP IS MINE!!!! > ah ah ah ah > ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' > Delenn, Severed Dreams... > > Shadow >You swine you. The preacher. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for a new hobby? Want to make a new friend? > http://www.onelist.com > Come join one of the 145,000 email communities at ONElist! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: tomm@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Sun May 16, 1999 11:32 pm Subject: Re: Tangents I must disagree. I may be a 'new' fan of TD (since 1986) but I think that the remixed versions on Tangents were not only a sound way of presenting the tracks (as introspection into how these tracks might sound if they were originally recorded in the mid-'90s) but they are also very good to listen to (IMHO). I found myself thoroughly enjoying 'Pergamon (Piano Part)', 'Monolight' (Disc Two), and 'Logos (Blue Part)'. I agree with EF's concept of presenting a 'best of' collection but, instead of just rereleasing stuff we already have in our collections, he remixed them in order to also give us something new - a new twist to some familiar, old friends. A measure that would most likely appeal to most old fans and those who've never heard this stuff before. What's wrong with that? Other artists remix and rerecord their works all the time. Why not TD? I remember hearing Tangents the first time and being very pleased by the outcome - I originally picked up the set just for the new material on disc 5. But after listening through all the rerecordings I'm very happy to have made such a purchase. This is now the collection (along with the booklet) I usually lend people when they ask me that timeless question, 'What's Tangerine Dream?' Just as the band and their music has eveolved over the decades, so should their classics and older material. Again, just my humble opinion(s). Tom >Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but my main complaint is that they have >tons of live tapes in the catalog, plus who knows how much unreleased studio >recordings, and most of Tangents still ended up being mostly edited, remixed >and/or recorded versions of stuff that was already released. Personally, I >would rather have heard Silve Scale and the other tracks on the fifth disc as >they were originally played by the original musicians, not how Edgar now >feels they should be presented. I did kinda like some of the edits, like with >Force Majeure or the Tangram excerpts, but in general, I would have like the >set to have included more material I didn't already know. Really, was the >whole point of re-recording things like Phaedra or Dominion, anyway? These >were major de-constructions or anything, they were just new recordings of the >basically the same pieces, with little or no change. >May you never thirst! >The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris From: TheKobaian@xxx.xxx Date: Mon May 17, 1999 1:30 am Subject: Re: Hawkwind In a message dated 99-05-16 06:04:09 EDT, you write: << As a fan and completist of Hawkwind I can second some of this. Try them out for yourself. Definately one of the best bands ever. I personally like 'Quark, Srtangeness, and Charm' the best. >> Quark is a nice album, it has some good songs on it, especially Hassan I Sabha and Spirit Of The Age. Simon House gets in some FANTASTIC violin playing too! I'm a bit of a completist myself, though as I said, I haven't been able to find the remasters of the first album, In Search Of Space or Doremi yet. I have nearly everything else on CD on up through The Business Trip (don't have any of the stuff after that). The only ones I don't have on CD in one form or another are the Hawklords album and Astounding Sounds Amazing Music (I have them on vinyl though, autographed by Simon House). I was so happy when Sonic Attack and Choose Your Masques were finally reissued, as I had never been able to find them on vinyl (well, I WAS able to find them, but the people who owned them weren't selling). I also have a few bootleg tapes of them as well. May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris From: archangel333@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Mon May 17, 1999 2:48 am Subject: (no subject) LOVE IS THE LAW,LOVE UNDER WILL xavier777 From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Mon May 17, 1999 7:28 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience 1 & 2 ---------- > De : Tom Monaghan > A : tadream@o... > Objet : [tadream] Tangerine Ambience 1 & 2 > Date�: mercredi 12 mai 1999 23:20 > > From: tomm@e... (Tom Monaghan) > > Okay, this may be an old topic but I'm new to the list. I was just wondering > if you all have heard the two Tangerine Dream tribute albums released by > Hypnotic Records and what you thought of them. I picked them up a few months > ago and I still think that they are both very interesting and entertaining > recordings. Although these are cover versions, most of them are still very > powerful and emotionally charged. To me (and I'm not being demeaning when I > mention this) they resemble Edgar's rerecordings and embellished tracks on > Tangents in many ways. They truly demonstrate the genius of Tangerine Dream > as musical composers as well as performers. > These two albums are inetresting in exploring TD music. but we must know that, in the first CD, Steve Schroyder and Conrad Schnitzler (both ex TD) composed brand new stuffs fro the tribute. friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Mon May 17, 1999 7:30 am Subject: Re: star wars ---------- > De : Carl & Jacqui Kearney > A : TD EMAIL > Objet : [tadream] star wars > Date�: jeudi 13 mai 1999 00:13 > > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > ALL I CAN SAY IS BASTARDS > > WE DON'T GET IT TILL LATE JUNE AT THE EARLIEST > > So what ? in France we must wait for the month of October Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Mon May 17, 1999 7:32 am Subject: Re: rarebird ---------- > De : Michael A. Jean > A : tadream@o... > Objet : Re: [tadream] rarebird > Date�: jeudi 13 mai 1999 06:13 > > From: 'Michael A. Jean' > > > The title come from the 12' single Warsaw in the Sun.... That is the only > place I have ever seen it.... > The track is untitled but still present and part of the tangent track in every versions of Poland album Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 and, kick in the pants, Beach Theme is simply Beach Scene with a moustache and a new hat... > >So, Plumer and Co., ideas on why, when and what-was-behind-its? > >Luckily, little green aliens dropped (cougheocough) in my lap and Confrontation is to be found >there... whew!... and, since we're on it who is (coughcraigcoughsafrancough)? Confrontation is a track written and performed by Craig Safran who has also scored some other films. For the CD version of Thief, this non-TD track was dropped for a different version of Beach Scene. Beach Theme features real drums and different guitar (IIRC) played by session musicians over TD's original. Can't tell you why, though. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Simulation and Training Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: tomm@e... (Tom Monaghan) Date: Mon May 17, 1999 11:09 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience 1 & 2 I rather liked these two additional tracks, so much so that I sought out any albums from them. I came up with _00/44_ by Conrad Schnitzler and was left overwhelmingly disappointed by the experience. I only hope that this second impression of Schnitzler's music was a fluke and that he does record music with some redeeming value other than the 'Solar Cells' track on Vol. 1. Still, the next time I come across a Schnitzler disc I'll have to be in a *very* adventurous mood in order to buy it. Tom >These two albums are inetresting in exploring TD music. >but we must know that, in the first CD, Steve Schroyder and Conrad >Schnitzler (both ex TD) composed brand new stuffs fro the tribute. > >friendly from France > >Yannick Edom From: 'Ray Hallett' From: 'Poulton, Larry' From: Charles Amos > From: 'j.gordon' > > j.gordon here... > > Question for the galley slaves... > > I have a cassette of Thief from many years ago with what I thought was the normal lineup starting > with Beach Scene and ending with Confrontation... > > but when I got it on disc, it had changed... (suprise... what the Hell is Quazar doing there in > TOB?) > > anyway, on the 'new' Thief, Beach Theme had appeared in the middle of the CD and Confrontation > (what I consider to be the best track on the album) had dropped off the end... (ten little indians > and this one said, 'Roll over, Roll over') (please don't misconstrue that last thing to be a > commentary on WHY it was done... :) > > and, kick in the pants, Beach Theme is simply Beach Scene with a moustache and a new hat... > > So, Plumer and Co., ideas on why, when and what-was-behind-its? > > Luckily, little green aliens dropped (cougheocough) in my lap and Confrontation is to be found > there... whew!... and, since we're on it who is (coughcraigcoughsafrancough)? > > Thanks for the help Tyger rustlers and those who abstain... > > j.gordon > === > *************************************************** > Brought to you by: > PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. > > j.gordon > =:^1> > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ONElist: the best source for group communications. > http://www.onelist.com > Join a new list today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: Charles Amos Date: Mon May 17, 1999 1:29 pm Subject: Re: Confrontation Thief BTW, is 'Thief' still available on CD? I haven't seen it in any record stores. -Bill Amos Baltimore, Maryland j.gordon wrote: > > From: 'j.gordon' > > j.gordon here... > > Question for the galley slaves... > > I have a cassette of Thief from many years ago with what I thought was the normal lineup starting > with Beach Scene and ending with Confrontation... > > but when I got it on disc, it had changed... (suprise... what the Hell is Quazar doing there in > TOB?) > > anyway, on the 'new' Thief, Beach Theme had appeared in the middle of the CD and Confrontation > (what I consider to be the best track on the album) had dropped off the end... (ten little indians > and this one said, 'Roll over, Roll over') (please don't misconstrue that last thing to be a > commentary on WHY it was done... :) > > and, kick in the pants, Beach Theme is simply Beach Scene with a moustache and a new hat... > > So, Plumer and Co., ideas on why, when and what-was-behind-its? > > Luckily, little green aliens dropped (cougheocough) in my lap and Confrontation is to be found > there... whew!... and, since we're on it who is (coughcraigcoughsafrancough)? > > Thanks for the help Tyger rustlers and those who abstain... > > j.gordon > === > *************************************************** > Brought to you by: > PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. > > j.gordon > =:^1> > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ONElist: the best source for group communications. > http://www.onelist.com > Join a new list today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: 'Jonathan Schick' Date: Mon May 17, 1999 2:54 pm Subject: Underwater Sunlight I have the cassette & LP of 'Underwater Sunlight' and I'm sure that I've never seen that track on a Canadian version... what are all the track names on yours, Bill? **** That's like on 'Underwater Sunlight,' on my cassette copy, which I purchased when it was first released, the first song on side 2 - 'Green Dolphin' is a different version than what is on the LP and CD (which are the same version). I've always wondered why the difference? Either way it is still one of my favorite pieces of music by TD - also Christopher Franke's version of 'Green Dophin' on 'The London Concert' blows me away also. My personal opinion is that this would be a dynamite piece of music to add to a juke box. Also 'Thief' is what got me hooked on TD and is one of my all time personal favorites along with 'Underwater Sunlight.' -Bill Amos Baltimore, Maryland Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16477 Re: Underwater Sunlight Charles Amos Mon 5/17/1999 2 KB 29827 Underwater Sunlight Michael Jean Fri 10/26/2001 2 KB 32853 Underwater Sunlight Ken Beal Thu 3/21/2002 2 KB 32854 Re: Underwater Sunlight Matthew Sawyer Thu 3/21/2002 3 KB 32862 Re: Underwater Sunlight TheInfection Thu 3/21/2002 2 KB 32863 Re: Underwater Sunlight Heiko Heerssen Thu 3/21/2002 3 KB 32870 Re: Underwater Sunlight John McIntyre Thu 3/21/2002 2 KB From: Ken Beal Date: Mon May 17, 1999 1:53 pm Subject: Auctions Available at eBay: Digital Gothic http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=105406728 Voices in the Dunes http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=105407665 ********************************************** The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh. From: Charles Amos Date: Mon May 17, 1999 2:10 pm Subject: Re: Underwater Sunlight I'm sorry I meant 'Dolphin Dance' (There was a nightclub in Baltimore years ago called 'Green Dolphin' which is were I met my wife). Sorry for the confusion. -Bill Jonathan Schick wrote: > > From: 'Jonathan Schick' > > I have the cassette & LP of 'Underwater Sunlight' and I'm sure that I've never seen that track on a Canadian version... > > what are all the track names on yours, Bill? > **** > That's like on 'Underwater Sunlight,' on my cassette copy, which I > purchased when it was first released, the first song on side 2 - 'Green > Dolphin' is a different version than what is on the LP and CD (which are > the same version). I've always wondered why the difference? > Either way it is still one of my favorite pieces of music by TD - > also Christopher Franke's version of 'Green Dophin' on 'The London > Concert' blows me away also. My personal opinion is that this would be > a dynamite piece of music to add to a juke box. > Also 'Thief' is what got me hooked on TD and is one of my all time > personal favorites along with 'Underwater Sunlight.' > -Bill Amos > Baltimore, Maryland > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ONElist: where real people with real interests get connected. > http://www.onelist.com > Join a new list today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Mon May 17, 1999 2:58 pm Subject: Re: Confrontation >and, kick in the pants, Beach Theme is simply Beach Scene with a moustache and a new hat... >So, Plumer and Co., ideas on why, when and what-was-behind-its? >Luckily, little green aliens dropped (cougheocough) in my lap and Confrontation is to be found >there... whew!... and, since we're on it who is (coughcraigcoughsafrancough)? No idea, except that it's probably the same reason as it's always been: copyright problems, since Craig Safan composed it. I have it on vinyl, with Beach Them (w/ acoustic drums) and Confrontation. Personally, though, I'd buy the CD just for Diamond Diary. Scott From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> Date: Mon May 17, 1999 3:54 pm Subject: Newy! Hello All I'm so glad I found this list! I've been a member of another list (Steve Vai) for sometime and find our discussions interesting, informative and entertaining. I hope this list is similar. I've been a TD fan for about 18 years (an older brother got me into them) and TD's use of electronic equipment got me interested in synths and science etc. I can say catagorically that it was their indirect influence that lead me to a career as a scientist! Thanks TD! I look forward to hearing from you all Warm Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16481 Re: Newy! Joe Shoults Mon 5/17/1999 1 KB 16492 Re: Newy! Poulton, Larry Tue 5/18/1999 3 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon May 17, 1999 5:46 pm Subject: Re: How do I... > -----Original Message----- > From: Poulton, Larry [mailto:poultonl@n...] > I have several old vinyl (remember that!) recording for swaps: > > Poland - Jive HIP22 > Encore - VD2506 > Sorcerer - MCF 2806 > Thief - V2198 > Legend - MCA 6165 > Tyger - Jive HIP27 > Zeit - VD 2503 > Stuntman - V2139 > Dont know what I'm looking for....any offers? > > Hope its not a faux pas to do this here...if so, sorry all. > > Larry Poulton Hi Larry- No, it is not a faux pas! We discourage the open discussion of the trading of bootlegs. Trading licensed material is fine. We ask that if you want to engage in bootleg trading, that you do not use this list as a vehicle to do so. It is OK to ask people to contact you off-list. Keep in mind this does not mean we discourage discussion of the music from shows, just any illegal aspects... -joe listowner/moderator From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon May 17, 1999 5:56 pm Subject: Re: Newy! > -----Original Message----- > From: Anil Sahal [mailto:9148621s@u...] ... > I'm so glad I found this list! I've been a member of another list (Steve > Vai) for sometime and find our discussions interesting, informative and > entertaining. I hope this list is similar. ... > I've been a TD fan for about 18 years (an older brother got me into them) > and TD's use of electronic equipment got me interested in synths > and science > etc. I can say catagorically that it was their indirect > influence that lead > me to a career as a scientist! Thanks TD! ... > Anil . Hello and Welcome, Anil! You will find that many here, like you, have been inspired in significant ways by TD. Cheers! -joe From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Mon May 17, 1999 6:09 pm Subject: new member. Hi Anil glad you joined us ( PREACHER ) Steve vie good choice. How come all the clever ones come from Scotland ? Hope you enjoy the list ,don't know about interesting and informative sorry Joe ) but we certainly have a laugh. Hey guys final results of the juke box latter tonight. From: Michael A Jean Date: Mon May 17, 1999 7:03 pm Subject: Re: Atlantic Bridges etc As far as I know their is no difference between the Atlantic Bridges/Walls versions and the regualr issues... Dream Encores appear to be mainly rare singles that were played as encore, rather than the encores themselves (with one or two exceptions)...I don't have any of thee releases, so I can't be sure...Anyone else? > From: 'Ray Hallett' > > Would anyone care to comment please. > > I have heard that the new recent releases Atlantic Bridges, Years, Dream > Encores etc contain previous year releases from earlier official albums. > But that the new titles were re-run from the MIDI files through the newer > equipment with slight variations in timbre sounds and instrumentation etc, > and then mastered with the DQCsystem to improve sound quality. > > Do the new releases sound any different from the older versions, is there > any truth to this story?? > > R. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Got an opinion? > http://www.onelist.com > Make it count! Sign up for the ONElist Weekly Survey now. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon May 17, 1999 8:28 pm Subject: TD info link and question about Munich Philharmonic 1981 Here is a great reference for TD info: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?UID=4:04:30|PM&p=amg&sql=B2807~C It gives a comprehensive listing of different publishing companies' album release catalog numbers, as well as many categories of cross-references. On this particular page, it says '...(in 1981) Tangerine Dream also performed live on TV with the Munich Philharmonic Orchestra...'. Does anybody know what this means? What did they do with the orchestra? -joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16504 Re: TD info link and question about Munich Philha Plumer, Scott Tue 5/18/1999 1 KB 16506 Re: TD info link and question about Munich Philha Edom Yannick Tue 5/18/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon May 17, 1999 10:10 pm Subject: RealAudio Bookmarks-4-U Here are a few links to Tangerine Dream (and related) RealAudio content: ============================ ============================ http://www.broadcast.com - has a whole bunch of albums of all genres you can listen to (free!) here is the link to the page with the TD albums: http://www.broadcast.com/jukebox/formats/NewAge/NewAge4.stm Chris Franke: http://www.broadcast.com/jukebox/formats/NewAge/NewAge1.stm Kitaro (Steven Halpern on this page, too): http://www.broadcast.com/jukebox/formats/NewAge/NewAge2.stm ============================ ============================ http://musicsojourn.com/ - essentially the same as broadcast.com, but in more of a radio-play-compilation format. The actual .ram (RealAudio) file shown below is indexed at 6 hours and 6 minutes long, consisting of several 'shows' back-to-back. The first and second shows feature TD stuff. this page will link you to programs containing TD: http://musicsojourn.com/AR/AmbN/page/t/TangerineDream.htm Direct link to launch the RealAudio file of one of the shows (for example): http://musicsojourn.com/_Include/Shows/AC/AC_pcall.htm Force Majeure is the first track; Tangram Part 1 starts at index 1:30:30; Macula Transfer is at index 2:01:00 -joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16487 Re: RealAudio Bookmarks-4-U Joe Shoults Mon 5/17/1999 1 KB From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Mon May 17, 1999 10:47 pm Subject: Re: star wars 29 HOURS siberkat ---------- >From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] star wars >Date: Mon, May 17, 1999, 3:30 AM > >From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) > >---------- >> De : Carl & Jacqui Kearney >> A : TD EMAIL >> Objet : [tadream] star wars >> Date�: jeudi 13 mai 1999 00:13 >> >> From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' >> >> ALL I CAN SAY IS BASTARDS >> >> WE DON'T GET IT TILL LATE JUNE AT THE EARLIEST >> >> > >So what ? > >in France we must wait for the month of October > >Yannick Edom >Mirage Conceptions Visuelles >Champlain B7 A101 >47 Chemin de pelleport >31500 Toulouse >FRANCE > >e-mail : yannick.edom@s... > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >With more than 14 million emails exchanged daily... >http://www.onelist.com >...ONElist IS the place where the world talks! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, >and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To >unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16490 Re: star wars joe shoults Tue 5/18/1999 1 KB 16491 Re: star wars Edom Yannick Tue 5/18/1999 1 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon May 17, 1999 10:48 pm Subject: Re: RealAudio Bookmarks-4-U > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@c...] >...>this page will link you to programs containing TD: >http://musicsojourn.com/AR/AmbN/page/t/TangerineDream.htm I had trouble at first figuring out how to get to some of the RealAudio files until I realized there is a 'Next Clip' button on the RealPlayer. So if you go to http://musicsojourn.com/Playlists/Echoes/Echoes_SG.htm, and click the 'Next Clip' button til you get to clip 5 of 6 (hour #5, program 19E-1), you'll find 'IMAGES OF PHAEDRA: A 25TH ANNIVERSARY TIME-TRIP TO TANGERINE DREAM'S SEMINAL ALBUM' 30 minutes in. This is an interesting retrospective of Phaedra, with commentary from artists influenced by it. -joe From: Nick.Adams@p... Date: Mon May 17, 1999 11:24 pm Subject: Re: rarebird From: Nick Adams@P... on 18/05/99 12:24 AM To: tadream@o... cc: Subject: Re: rarebird >From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) About rarebird >The track is untitled but still present and part of the tangent track in >every versions of Poland album I disagree with you, the track that we are talking about i.e rarebird is *not* on every version of Poland, i have the single CD of Poland on the castle label, and i can assure you that rarebird is not on it !!, i also have Poland on LP and rarebird *is on* that, yes i agree that it is tagged on the end of tangent, but it was used as the encore for this tour and *is* called rarebird on other albums other than Poland. Nick @ work Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Tue May 18, 1999 12:48 am Subject: Re: Confrontation Thief Hey Charles, Welcome to 'the list'. Well so far 'Thief' says it is available at cd connection.com, musicblvd.com, CDNOW, AMAZON & Borders.Com. I am curious as to what TD CDs you have seen lately at local record stores? Oh, BTW gang, 27 hours siberkat - >From: Charles Amos > >BTW, is 'Thief' still available on CD? I haven't seen it in any record >stores. -Bill Amos > Baltimore, Maryland > >j.gordon wrote: >> >> From: 'j.gordon' >> >> j.gordon here... >> >> Question for the galley slaves... >> >> I have a cassette of Thief from many years ago with what I thought was >the normal lineup starting >> with Beach Scene and ending with Confrontation... >> >> but when I got it on disc, it had changed... (suprise... what the Hell is >Quazar doing there in >> TOB?) From: 'joe shoults' Date: Tue May 18, 1999 2:16 am Subject: Re: star wars OK, OK. I broke down and bought tix for the 12:30 AM showing at one of the stadium-style seating, THX-equipped theaters. ...26 HOURS! -joe > From: Steven Le Vine [mailto:siberkat@b...] > 29 HOURS > siberkat > ---------- > >> De : Carl & Jacqui Kearney > >> ALL I CAN SAY IS BASTARDS > >> WE DON'T GET IT TILL LATE JUNE AT THE EARLIEST > ---------- > >From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) > >So what ? > >in France we must wait for the month of October From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) Date: Tue May 18, 1999 7:25 am Subject: Re: star wars ---------- > De : joe shoults > A : tadream@o... > Objet : Re: [tadream] star wars > Date�: mardi 18 mai 1999 03:16 > > From: 'joe shoults' > > OK, OK. I broke down and bought tix for the 12:30 AM showing at one of the > stadium-style seating, THX-equipped theaters. > > ...26 HOURS! > 5 Months (Argh !!) Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'Poulton, Larry' Date: Tue May 18, 1999 9:34 am Subject: Re: Newy! Hi Anil, I'm a relative newcomer too. Its been interesting so far....Have you been to any good gigs here in the UK? Larry -----Original Message----- From: Anil Sahal [mailto:9148621s@u...] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 4:54 PM To: tadream@o... Subject: [tadream] Newy! From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> Hello All I'm so glad I found this list! I've been a member of another list (Steve Vai) for sometime and find our discussions interesting, informative and entertaining. I hope this list is similar. I've been a TD fan for about 18 years (an older brother got me into them) and TD's use of electronic equipment got me interested in synths and science etc. I can say catagorically that it was their indirect influence that lead me to a career as a scientist! Thanks TD! I look forward to hearing from you all Warm Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ONElist: where real people with real interests get connected. http://www.onelist.com Join a new list today! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com _____________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> Date: Tue May 18, 1999 10:33 am Subject: Playing LIVE Thanks for the welcome eveyone. I've got some of the recent releases from TD (there is a particularly enlightened record shop here in Glasgow called 'Lost in Music'). The Dream Encores are exactly what they say they are. Many of them have already appeared on previous releases like Melrose, but others like 'Song of the Brave' are unreleased and 'Thief, Yang and the Tangram Seal' is a nice sort of medeley of tunes. 'Valentine Wheels' is also excellent. Which bring me to my next point. Has anyone wondered if TD actually do play live? There are parts of Vintage Wheels, like 'Poland' where they sound identical to the original recording except for a few minor effects added over the top. Some sounds of the original track relied on random phase cancellation of two or more oscillators which simply could not be reproduced. I have a sneaky suspicion that TD play their original studio tapes live and slightly embellish them. This is further reinforced by the fact that if one looks at the hands of, say Froese, while he's playing at a concert, they don't seem to have any correlation to what we hear!! They don't even appear to be triggering anything. The only exception is the bridges where washes of sound and effects and noises introduce the next piece. I do have a bootleg from 1982 ( I know it's bad, but I was very young and depressed that I may never hear these pieces of beautiful music again- I would never buy a bootleg now) and they play segments of music that were clearly from the Logos concert but don't appear on the live album. Now it's clear that they are playing live because I can hear bum notes and other improvisational dead ends! So when did this change over in true playing to alleged miming occur? I think it must have been the advent of the PC based sequencer and the sad loss of Chris Franke from the fold. One nice thing about the bootleg I have is that I've been able to reproduce some of the tunes on it on my own sequeners and so have 'hard copies' of unreleased TD material. Anybody else have any thoughts on this subject? I must qualify this by saying, does it really matter? I love TD and their concerts! Warm Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16497 Re: Playing LIVE Poulton, Larry Tue 5/18/1999 5 KB 16507 Re: Playing LIVE Oleg Skrynnik Tue 5/18/1999 2 KB 16509 Re: Playing LIVE Poulton, Larry Tue 5/18/1999 3 KB From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'Ray Hallett' > >I have heard that the new recent releases Atlantic Bridges, Years, Dream >Encores etc contain previous year releases from earlier official albums. >But that the new titles were re-run from the MIDI files through the newer >equipment with slight variations in timbre sounds and instrumentation etc, >and then mastered with the DQCsystem to improve sound quality. There are probably those who have beeter hearing than me but, IMO, the tracks on Atlantic Walls / Bridges are just copies of the originals. More controversially, many of the tracks on Dream Encores sound suspiciously close to the originals too. Dominion is the most noticably different. The Hollywood Years can't rally be commented on since they contain (mostly) previously unreleased material. Most of the material does sound new-ish (i.e. post 1990) to me, but that may be a true reflection of the original intent. Hope this helps a little. NP : Atmospherics - a surprisingly good compilation. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: tomm@e... (Tom Monaghan) > >I rather liked these two additional tracks, so much so that I sought out any >albums from them. I came up with _00/44_ by Conrad Schnitzler and was left >overwhelmingly disappointed by the experience. I only hope that this second >impression of Schnitzler's music was a fluke and that he does record music >with some redeeming value other than the 'Solar Cells' track on Vol. 1. >Still, the next time I come across a Schnitzler disc I'll have to be in a >*very* adventurous mood in order to buy it. There are more knowledgable Con fans that I on this list (if Vic's still here?) but I have sampled a few Con tracks from varius sources and find Solar Cells the most accessible. Others tend to be collections of noises and are very difficult to get into. I almost bought a couple of albums from a very good shop in Soho but when I went back it was closed. Perhaps I had a lucky escape? -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Tue May 18, 1999 11:44 am Subject: My Dream Meetings 1986 tour of the UK. I had tickets for several TD performances around the north west UK. I had seen a brilliant set at Preston Guild Hall and even got to see them backsatge in their dressing room. My brother went up to Froese and said 'I've always wanted to shake your hands' to which he replied 'My name is not Hans it is Edgar!' We didn't get the joke at the time but we were in awe of our heros! My brother said something about playing their music while he was operating in theatre (he was a surgeon then) and TD expressed concern over any deaths that may occur as a result! It was all too quick and formal but nice nonetheless. The next day they were in my home town of Manchester. I spent that day wandering around town frittering the hours away before the gig. I was lookin in a record shpo window (Piccadilly Records) when I turned around to find Edgar Froese behind me! He stuck out like a sore thumb because of his then very blond hair and 'rock star' tan! I was shocked and pleased! We exchanged greetings but it was obvious he didn't want to talk (he must get pestered all the time). We parted and that was it. I ran down to HMV where a fellow TD fan worked and told him of my experience. He immediately took an early lunch and insisted that we scour the streets to find Froese again. I wasn't keen because of Froeses reaction but went along with it. We were walking past a department store when we spotted Froese walking out (with someone who may have been a young Jerome and Monique) followed by Franke and Haslinger. My friend stopped them and started talking. I was a little embarrassed and sure enough Froeses made his excuses and walked away. Franke and Haslinger, on the other hand were very keen to talk and discussed the tour and a little about the music. My firend asked if he could take some photos during their next gig. Franke was more than happy to allow this and even gave him tips on getting the best results! He did demand copies of any good ones though, which was fair enough! We wished them well and parted company. Franke and Haslinger were so polite and friendly, it was a shame about Froese. So that's my TD story. Anyone else? Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16499 Re: My Dream Meetings Thomas Tue 5/18/1999 4 KB 16513 Re: My Dream Meetings Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Tue 5/18/1999 2 KB From: 'Poulton, Larry' Thanks for the welcome eveyone. I've got some of the recent releases from TD (there is a particularly enlightened record shop here in Glasgow called 'Lost in Music'). The Dream Encores are exactly what they say they are. Many of them have already appeared on previous releases like Melrose, but others like 'Song of the Brave' are unreleased and 'Thief, Yang and the Tangram Seal' is a nice sort of medeley of tunes. 'Valentine Wheels' is also excellent. Which bring me to my next point. Has anyone wondered if TD actually do play live? There are parts of Vintage Wheels, like 'Poland' where they sound identical to the original recording except for a few minor effects added over the top. Some sounds of the original track relied on random phase cancellation of two or more oscillators which simply could not be reproduced. I have a sneaky suspicion that TD play their original studio tapes live and slightly embellish them. This is further reinforced by the fact that if one looks at the hands of, say Froese, while he's playing at a concert, they don't seem to have any correlation to what we hear!! They don't even appear to be triggering anything. The only exception is the bridges where washes of sound and effects and noises introduce the next piece. I do have a bootleg from 1982 ( I know it's bad, but I was very young and depressed that I may never hear these pieces of beautiful music again- I would never buy a bootleg now) and they play segments of music that were clearly from the Logos concert but don't appear on the live album. Now it's clear that they are playing live because I can hear bum notes and other improvisational dead ends! So when did this change over in true playing to alleged miming occur? I think it must have been the advent of the PC based sequencer and the sad loss of Chris Franke from the fold. One nice thing about the bootleg I have is that I've been able to reproduce some of the tunes on it on my own sequeners and so have 'hard copies' of unreleased TD material. Anybody else have any thoughts on this subject? I must qualify this by saying, does it really matter? I love TD and their concerts! Warm Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Campaign 2000 is here! http://www.onelist.com Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. 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A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: 'Jonathan Schick' From: 'Thomas' From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > >1986 tour of the UK. I had tickets for several TD performances around the >north west UK. I had seen a brilliant set at Preston Guild Hall and even >got to see them backsatge in their dressing room. My brother went up to >Froese and said 'I've always wanted to shake your hands' to which he >replied 'My name is not Hans it is Edgar!' We didn't get the joke at the >time but we were in awe of our heros! My brother said something about >playing their music while he was operating in theatre (he was a surgeon >then) and TD expressed concern over any deaths that may occur as a result! >It was all too quick and formal but nice nonetheless. > >The next day they were in my home town of Manchester. > >I spent that day wandering around town frittering the hours away before the >gig. I was lookin in a record shpo window (Piccadilly Records) when I >turned around to find Edgar Froese behind me! He stuck out like a sore >thumb because of his then very blond hair and 'rock star' tan! I was >shocked and pleased! We exchanged greetings but it was obvious he didn't >want to talk (he must get pestered all the time). We parted and that was >it. I ran down to HMV where a fellow TD fan worked and told him of my >experience. He immediately took an early lunch and insisted that we scour >the streets to find Froese again. I wasn't keen because of Froeses reaction >but went along with it. > >We were walking past a department store when we spotted Froese walking out >(with someone who may have been a young Jerome and Monique) followed by >Franke and Haslinger. My friend stopped them and started talking. I was a >little embarrassed and sure enough Froeses made his excuses and walked away. >Franke and Haslinger, on the other hand were very keen to talk and discussed >the tour and a little about the music. My firend asked if he could take >some photos during their next gig. Franke was more than happy to allow this >and even gave him tips on getting the best results! He did demand copies of >any good ones though, which was fair enough! We wished them well and parted >company. > >Franke and Haslinger were so polite and friendly, it was a shame about Froese. > >So that's my TD story. Anyone else? > >Regards > > Anil Thomas from Sweden here. A fascinating thing to shake Mr.Froese's hand indeed. I wish I could have been there, but I was only 15 at the time. I read you regard yourself as a newbie when it comes to TD. Not so! I have been at it for five years now, so you're a real veteran in my eyes. I havn't had the chance to visit any concerts yet, wish I could though before Edgar quits. We havn't been blessed even once in Scandinavia with a TD concert, which is understandable since the interest in e-music here is practically non-existent. But I wish they could come here some day, then maybe I could finally fulfill one of my dreams and meet the band members, shake their hands and tell them they've contributed to making my life a lot more pleasant. Anyway, just thought I'd share my little story of not having met them yet. All the best, Thomas From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) Date: Tue May 18, 1999 2:14 pm Subject: Re: dream roots > De : Jonathan Schick > A : tadream@o... > Objet : [tadream] dream roots > Date�: mardi 18 mai 1999 14:43 > > From: 'Jonathan Schick' > > bought Goblins Club & Legend yesterday...! > > saw Dream Roots, but didn't have a chance to look at it; locked up in a cabinet. Is that all previously released stuff?? It was $50 Canadian. Dream Roots Collection is a great 5 CD box with tangantized stuffs from the Jive era (Pink Years - early albums and Blue Years - from Poland to Livemiles). The fifth CD is entirely unreleased with 4 tracks. Two of them are amazing pieces composed by Franke/Froese with sequences and themes (great tracks) the two others are more neoclassissic (Froese/Franke). The booklet is a true picture treasure. Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... ----------