From: rzanelli@h... Date: Tue May 18, 1999 1:15 pm Subject: Schnitzler (was Re: Tangerine Ambience 1 & 2) >I came up with _00/44_ by Conrad Schnitzler and was left >overwhelmingly disappointed by the experience. I only hope that this second >impression of Schnitzler's music was a fluke and that he does record music >with some redeeming value other than the 'Solar Cells' track on Vol. 1. >Still, the next time I come across a Schnitzler disc I'll have to be in a >*very* adventurous mood in order to buy it. > >Tom I know what you mean: Schnitzler has made quite a few and diverse recordings, all are very interesting but I can understand your disappointment with 00/44 ;-) Nevertheless I can definitely recommend 'Ballet statique' recorded with Peter Baumann: to me it almost sounds like a proper TD release! Riccardo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16521 Re: Schnitzler (was Re: Tangerine Ambience 1 & 2) tomm@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Tue 5/18/1999 1 KB From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Tue May 18, 1999 1:25 pm Subject: Re: dream roots Jonathan Schick wrote: > bought Goblins Club & Legend yesterday...! Congratulations... I think Goblins Club was much better than TD's previous album 'Tyranny of beauty'. And Legend has some very good atmospheric pieces. But still I think that they made better soundtracks (like Firestarter, Wavelength or The Keep). > saw Dream Roots, but didn't have a chance to look at it; locked up in a cabinet. Is that all previously released stuff?? It was $50 Canadian. The first 4 discs are previously released material ... but remixed and edited by Edgar. This means that some tracks are sounding very different (added keyboards, strings, etc.), especially the first disc with their early stuff like Zeit. The 5th disc contains previously unreleased material from 1985 (after Schmoelling left and before Haslinger joined the band). The first track (Valley of the sun) is worth the set alone! 15 minutes of absolute classic TD! If I would made a Top10 list it would be on it. I got my copy of Dream Roots for only 50 DM (that's about 27 US Dollars) in a nearby shop in Hamburg (Germany). I don't know the exchange rate of Canadian Dollars...but if you're a TD fan it's definetly worth the cost. The set also contains a nice booklet, too (which falls apart after you've read it twice!) :-( > From: 'Kevin Earley' Date: Tue May 18, 1999 1:27 pm Subject: Re: dream roots - Steve Jolliffe Hey Jonathan, First of all, where did you see the Steve Jolliffe CD? I don't think I have ever seen any here in Toronto. Secondly, I recommend purchasing it. I have several of his and they are all quite good. Zanzi is the one I play most frequently, but Omni and Warrior are quite good as well. Kevin Earley kearley@r... np: Tyger next: Steve Jolliffe - Warrior From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Tue May 18, 1999 1:47 pm Subject: Re: TD info link and question about Munich Philharmonic 1981 >On this particular page, it says '...(in 1981) Tangerine Dream also >performed live on TV with the Munich Philharmonic Orchestra...'. Does >anybody know what this means? What did they do with the orchestra? On De. 9, 1981, they played 'Mojave Plan' with them on German TV. I have it on video. Looks terrible, but it sounds pretty good. Scott From: Charles Amos Date: Tue May 18, 1999 1:58 pm Subject: Re: Confrontation Thief Steven, Thanks for the information on 'Thief.' What I see in the record stores depends on where I'm at. Locally (in the Baltimore, Maryland/Washington, DC area), I don't see a great deal. But I travel to New York frequently and see a little more selection - especially at a store called HMV. Usually what I see anywhere are: Rockoon, Goblin's Club, The Private Music of TD, Dream Mixes 1, Tyranny Of Beauty, Logos Live, Encore, Atem, Ziet, & Cyclone Occasionally I either might see or have seen: Optical Race, Turn Of The Tides, 220 Volt, Dream Music (1&2), Exit, Stratosfear, Phaedra, Rubycon, & Ricochette -Bill Amos Steven Le Vine wrote: > > From: 'Steven Le Vine' > > Hey Charles, > > Welcome to 'the list'. > > Well so far 'Thief' says it is available at cd connection.com, > musicblvd.com, CDNOW, AMAZON & Borders.Com. I am curious as to what TD CDs > you have seen lately at local record stores? > > Oh, BTW gang, > > 27 hours > > siberkat > - > >From: Charles Amos > > > >BTW, is 'Thief' still available on CD? I haven't seen it in any record > >stores. -Bill Amos > > Baltimore, Maryland > > > >j.gordon wrote: > >> > >> From: 'j.gordon' > >> > >> j.gordon here... > >> > >> Question for the galley slaves... > >> > >> I have a cassette of Thief from many years ago with what I thought was > >the normal lineup starting > >> with Beach Scene and ending with Confrontation... > >> > >> but when I got it on disc, it had changed... (suprise... what the Hell is > >Quazar doing there in > >> TOB?) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking to expand your world? > http://www.onelist.com > ONElist has nearly 150,000 e-mail communities from which to chose! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) Date: Tue May 18, 1999 3:08 pm Subject: Re: TD info link and question about Munich Philharmonic 1981 ---------- > De : Plumer, Scott > A : 'tadream@o...' > Objet : Re: [tadream] TD info link and question about Munich Philharmonic 1981 > Date : mardi 18 mai 1999 14:47 > > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >On this particular page, it says '...(in 1981) Tangerine Dream also > >performed live on TV with the Munich Philharmonic Orchestra...'. Does > >anybody know what this means? What did they do with the orchestra? > > On De. 9, 1981, they played 'Mojave Plan' with them on German TV. I have it > on video. Looks terrible, but it sounds pretty good. > I agree it's a great show with Kiew Mission just before with the Russian Actress. The Orchestra was conducted by Eberhard Schoener (if i could well remember). Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'Oleg Skrynnik' Date: Tue May 18, 1999 2:11 pm Subject: Re: Playing LIVE > And....'Long live the Dream Mixes!!' Hi there! I've been reading this list for a couple of days. I was silent. Now I would like to say 'Hello!' to everybody here. I have to admit that this list is totally different from any other music list that I know. You have really good athmosphere here. The phrase which I have copied to the top of this message makes me wonder, can anybody recommend anything from TD that is close to 'Dream Mixes'? I have 'Dream Mixes' for about a year, and I've got 'Dream Mixes 2CD' to my last birthday - I _love_ them all! It's absolutely fabulous piece of music! I also have 'Goblins Club' - the track 'Toward the Evening Star' is brilliant, the rest of the disk is very good as well. Another TD album that I have is 'Rockoon' - I can't say I like it. It's Ok for me, that's all. But 'Dream Mixes'... They are fantastic! What next should I buy from TD? Maybe it's 'TimeSquare'? Best wishes, Oleg. From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> Date: Tue May 18, 1999 2:18 pm Subject: Craig Lost in Music Directions Hello Craig, Lost in Music is in the West End of Glasgow and very easy to get to via the underground. Get off at Hillhead and you'll find yourself on Byres Road. Turn left out of the underground station and walk to the next street on you left (Great George Street I think-it's a steep hill and has a building society on one side and a Radio Rentals on the other). Walk up Great George Street and you'll see a little cobbled street on your left ( Cresswell Lane) You'll see signs for it now up in Decourcy's Arcade. It'll take you about 2 minutes to get to after getting off the underground. If in doubt ask anyone, it's very well known. They have loads of second hand TD CD's too if you want to get some of there older stuff. I'm afraid I'm in league with one of the workers there and as soon as he gets a new CD in I buy it! So ring them on 0141 339 8155 to see what they have. Good Luck! Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: 'Poulton, Larry' Date: Tue May 18, 1999 2:35 pm Subject: Re: Playing LIVE Hi Oleg, I think both Dream Mixes 1 & 2 are in their own category at present. Perhaps the newer stuff such as 'What a blast' is comparable, although I havent got a copy as yet. if you like the more rhythmic 'drum and guitar' pieces, try 'Underwater Sunlight' or 'Tyger'. There is of course 'Tournado' and 'Valentine Wheels' for the live stuff which features the DM material.... Larry -----Original Message----- From: Oleg Skrynnik [mailto:admin@m...] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 3:11 PM To: tadream@o... Subject: Re: [tadream] Playing LIVE From: 'Oleg Skrynnik' > And....'Long live the Dream Mixes!!' Hi there! I've been reading this list for a couple of days. I was silent. Now I would like to say 'Hello!' to everybody here. I have to admit that this list is totally different from any other music list that I know. You have really good athmosphere here. The phrase which I have copied to the top of this message makes me wonder, can anybody recommend anything from TD that is close to 'Dream Mixes'? I have 'Dream Mixes' for about a year, and I've got 'Dream Mixes 2CD' to my last birthday - I _love_ them all! It's absolutely fabulous piece of music! I also have 'Goblins Club' - the track 'Toward the Evening Star' is brilliant, the rest of the disk is very good as well. Another TD album that I have is 'Rockoon' - I can't say I like it. It's Ok for me, that's all. But 'Dream Mixes'... They are fantastic! What next should I buy from TD? Maybe it's 'TimeSquare'? Best wishes, Oleg. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ONElist members are using Shared Files in great ways! http://www.onelist.com Are you? If not, see our homepage for details. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com _____________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> Date: Tue May 18, 1999 2:34 pm Subject: Chris Franke What has happened to Franke musical output? With the exception of Pacific Coast Highway and Klemania his music is weak if not non-existant! This seem illogical since it appears to be his input into TD that made their music so wonderfully different. It was Franke's use of the 'chattering' sequencer line that made TD's music so liquid and dynamic (and it is seriously lacking in more recent TD). Perhaps it's a clear demonstration that as a unit they worked well but individually......All he seems to do now is soundtracks (no doubt he's rich though), I take it that it's common knowledge that Froese and Franke didn't get on too well? One very good addition to modern TD has to be Zlatko Perica? His fret work is truly excellent (G.I.T graduate perhaps?) and I hope they use his skills a little more often on their studio releases (but then I'm a biased guitarist). Does anyone have anymore info on Zlatko? Warm Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16511 Re: Chris Franke Poulton, Larry Tue 5/18/1999 4 KB 16517 Re: Chris Franke Thomas Tue 5/18/1999 1 KB 16522 Re: Chris Franke Steven Le Vine Wed 5/19/1999 2 KB 16528 Re: Chris Franke Heiko Heerßen Wed 5/19/1999 2 KB 16558 Re: Chris Franke Jim Moore Wed 5/19/1999 2 KB 16560 Re: Chris Franke Thomas Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB 16587 Re: Chris Franke Shadow Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB 17268 Chris Franke jon.schick@xxxxxxxx.xx Thu 7/22/1999 3 KB 21674 Re: Chris Franke Chris Richards Wed 4/5/2000 4 KB From: 'Poulton, Larry' Date: Tue May 18, 1999 2:50 pm Subject: Re: Chris Franke I wholeheartedly agree!! Frankes only worthy output is 'Pacific' and 'Klemania'. You are right - the whole is bigger than the constituent parts!! It was the character and styles that the individuals threw into the melting pot which determined the 'sound'. I have always been disappointed with solo output (perhaps with the exception of Baumanns 'Transharmonic Nights'. As far as Zlatko is concerned, he can keep on strumin' as long as he likes! I think he breathes a breath of fresh air... Larry -----Original Message----- From: Anil Sahal [mailto:9148621s@u...] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 3:34 PM To: tadream@o... Subject: [tadream] Chris Franke From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> What has happened to Franke musical output? With the exception of Pacific Coast Highway and Klemania his music is weak if not non-existant! This seem illogical since it appears to be his input into TD that made their music so wonderfully different. It was Franke's use of the 'chattering' sequencer line that made TD's music so liquid and dynamic (and it is seriously lacking in more recent TD). Perhaps it's a clear demonstration that as a unit they worked well but individually......All he seems to do now is soundtracks (no doubt he's rich though), I take it that it's common knowledge that Froese and Franke didn't get on too well? One very good addition to modern TD has to be Zlatko Perica? His fret work is truly excellent (G.I.T graduate perhaps?) and I hope they use his skills a little more often on their studio releases (but then I'm a biased guitarist). Does anyone have anymore info on Zlatko? Warm Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Give back to your community through 'Grow to Give.' http://www.ONElist.com See homepage for details. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com _____________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Date: Tue May 18, 1999 2:51 pm Subject: Re: dream roots >From: 'Jonathan Schick' > >bought Goblins Club & Legend yesterday...! > >saw Dream Roots, but didn't have a chance to look at it; locked up in a cabinet. Is that all previously released stuff?? It was $50 Canadian. Only one of the five disks contains previously unreleased stuff. However, it is very good and features Franke/Froese compositions created between Schmoelling leaving and Haslinger arriving. The remaining disks are previous stuff. One disk is dedicated to Pink Years material (i.e. Electronic Meditation to Green Desert) and has some major tangentizing in it. The remaining three disks cover Poland, Le Parc, Underwater Sunlight and Tyger and feature a mix of 'pure' and tangentized tracks. >Also, saw a Steve Jolife CD. I don't know anything about him, but I remember someone mentioning him on this list. Is he any good? Jolliffe only appeared on Cyclone, although he had worked with Ed in the very early (pre-EM) TD days. I have a Cd of his (Temmenu) which is on my trade list. If Jonathon or anyone else is interested contact me off-list. (That okay Mr. Admin, sir? 8D). -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Date: Tue May 18, 1999 2:12 pm Subject: Re: My Dream Meetings >From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > >So that's my TD story. Anyone else? A few of us hung about after the 1997 Glasgow show, waiting for the guys to appear. Attempts to gain access to the post-show 'party' failed - all the more galling because some of the people we had met up with (from the other TD list) did get in. When they finally appeared, there was only 4 of us at the door. Jerome happily signed my copy of Ambient Monkeys and my friend's sleeve of Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (yes, on his own naked body). I managed to catch Emil before spotting Edgar taking a rather circuitous route toward the bus to avoid us. It seemed quite a 'strain' for him when I ran over and asked him to add to his son's scrawl. As soon as he handed it back, he was on the bus not offering either friend a chance to catch him. I've also seen TD in 1990 (Edinburgh) and 1996 (London), but didn't hang around on either occassion as my wife was with me (in one occassion in body and in the other in spirit). NP : Bjork - Debut ('yeehow') -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> Date: Tue May 18, 1999 4:20 pm Subject: Best and Worst You may have already done this but what are everyone favourite and worst TD albums? Perhaps we should be really strict and keep it to one only (tough I know) I'll start I suppose: Best: Logos Live- because of it's brooding, menacing drones and atmospheric clangs intersperced by magnificent sequences and that massive, huge,dynamic chord sound towards the end of part 1 (I've never been able to get even close to that sound-does anyone know how they did it? PPG perhaps?). I love the way part 2 builds 'organically' from the drone with that sparkly effect to the introduction of sharp stabs of sound building a more complex arrangement with every passing second. Then it gives way to a syncopated percussive segment before the almost dance-like penultimate section (before dance music was even thought of). The whole album is the redressed by the closing triumphant chords of the end of side two. Then Dominion finishes off. Spectacular!! Worst: Tyger! How embarrassing! Grace Jones-like poetry reading! Corny! The instrumental tracks do have there merits and are quite nice, but on the whole I shudder when I think of that CD (I copied the good tracks onto another CD and use Tyger as a coaster). These are my own opinions only, and I'm sure some will totally disagree with me But I'd like to know what fellow Dreamers like and hate Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16518 Re: Best and Worst PENFOLD Tue 5/18/1999 1 KB 16523 Re: Best and Worst Steven Le Vine Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB 16530 Re: Best and Worst Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Wed 5/19/1999 3 KB 16534 Best and Worst Mats Nordlinder Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB 16539 Re: Best and Worst j.gordon Wed 5/19/1999 2 KB 16542 Re: Best and Worst Poulton, Larry Wed 5/19/1999 2 KB 16548 Re: Best and Worst tomm@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB 16550 Re: Best and Worst TJames0001@xxx.xxx Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB 16552 Re: Best and Worst Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue May 18, 1999 5:33 pm Subject: Re: dream roots ... > early (pre-EM) TD days. I have a Cd of his (Temmenu) which is on > my trade list. > If Jonathon or anyone else is interested contact me off-list. > > (That okay Mr. Admin, sir? 8D). yes, of course it is okay! I think you were joking, but I hope you guys understand: there have been a lot of tongue-in-cheek references and apparent uncertainty as to what is or is not 'allowed' to be discussed on this list, and I just want to clarify what is not appropriate (yet again!)... *** THE TRADING OF BOOTLEGS *** that's pretty much it! This does not preclude the discussion of what did or did not happen 25 minutes into whatever concert, or if they played a particular song, or how it was compared to whatever else, etc. Of course, this is a 'fan' list, intended to promote the band and encourage the exploration of their music, so if criticism of TD turns really nasty, that defeats the purpose. This doesn't mean that you can't elaborate on what do you or don't like about an album; for example, I think Jocelyn's delivery on Tyger is pretentious, IMHO (Anil's description of them being 'Grace Jones-ish is accurate!). But there are definitely limits. I think common sense should prevail here, as it would be almost impossible to establish guidelines of this sort. Trust me, I'll step in if it gets out of hand. I think I speak for us all when I say we want an honest, but encouraging and positive atmosphere here. Like my grandma used to say, 'If you don't have anything nice to say, shut the f**k up, you little s**t!' ... or something like that. capice? -joe Mr. Admin...SIR! ;-) From: jon ward Date: Tue May 18, 1999 5:42 pm Subject: unsubscribe _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From: 'Thomas' Date: Tue May 18, 1999 7:50 pm Subject: Re: Chris Franke >From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > >What has happened to Franke musical output? With the exception of Pacific >Coast Highway and Klemania his music is weak if not non-existant! This seem >illogical since it appears to be his input into TD that made their music so >wonderfully different. I agree totally that Franke hasn't come through since he stopped being a member of TD. But besides 'Pacific Coast Highway' and 'Klemania' he also made the excellent 'London Concert', let's not forget about that one! :o) Noone can neither deny that Chris' input into TD is of significance. It's sad that he's only doing soundtracks nowadays, let's hope he's happy! Thomas From: PENFOLD Date: Tue May 18, 1999 7:43 pm Subject: Re: Best and Worst At 9905.18 -- 09:20, Anil Sahal wrote: >From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> >You may have already done this but what are everyone favourite and worst TD >albums? Perhaps we should be really strict and keep it to one only (tough I >know) Worst Individual Piece: This has got to be 'Lost Tale' from the '89 KLEM CD Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Which bring me to my next point. Has anyone wondered if TD actually do play >live? There are parts of Vintage Wheels, like 'Poland' where they sound >identical to the original recording except for a few minor effects added >over the top. Some sounds of the original track relied on random phase >cancellation of two or more oscillators which simply could not be reproduced. Many people on the other list have expressed the opinion that TD simply mime along to a DAT played in concert. I personally think that's a load of crap. To the musicians on the list, would you be able to look yourself in the mirror if all you did when playing live was lip-synch to a tape? Milli Vanilli notwithstanding, I find it hard to believe that musicians as talented as Ed & Co. would even WANT to not play live. I'm not a musician, so I'm not sure about this, but I have a feeling that the digital gear they use is so controlled and MIDI-fied that it makes even live playing sound identical to the studio. I mean, you have one preset sound you used for a studio track, you hit the same key to produce it live, and you have in essence an exact copy of what you played in the studio. In short, I think it's more the fault of the equipment than it is anything else. That might have been the motivation of adding Linda and Zlatko, to re-introduce the uncontrollable elements. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16535 Re: Playing Live Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Wed 5/19/1999 3 KB 16538 Re: Playing Live j.gordon Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB 16575 Re: Playing Live Joe Shoults Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB 16615 Re: Playing Live j.gordon Fri 5/21/1999 1 KB 16668 Re: Playing Live Jens Peschke Sat 5/29/1999 2 KB From: PENFOLD From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> >One very good addition to modern TD has to be Zlatko Perica? His fret work >is truly excellent (G.I.T graduate perhaps?) and I hope they use his skills >a little more often on their studio releases (but then I'm a biased >guitarist). Does anyone have anymore info on Zlatko? I have to admit that Zlatko's guitar playing is good, but it isn't great. Guitar is the only instrument he knows how to play. Seeing him in concert during the Rockoon Tour it looks kinda bad that during the time he's not playing all he can do is to pat his axe in time to the music. At least Linda can play keyboards in addition to the Sax, which makes the group look like their well-rounded in musical training. When the guitar sound isn't needed, Zlatko looks like a Fifth Wheel onstage Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16543 Re: Zlatko Anil Sahal Wed 5/19/1999 4 KB 16561 Re: Zlatko Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB 16566 Re: Zlatko Anil Sahal Wed 5/19/1999 3 KB From: tomm@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Tue May 18, 1999 10:22 pm Subject: Re: Schnitzler (was Re: Tangerine Ambience 1 & 2) Thanks for the tip, Riccardo. I'll have to give that one a try. Although Schnitzler is a low priority on my list and I still have a dozen or so discs that I want to acquire first. Tom >I know what you mean: Schnitzler has made quite a few and diverse >recordings, all are very interesting but I can understand your >disappointment with 00/44 ;-) >Nevertheless I can definitely recommend 'Ballet statique' recorded with >Peter Baumann: to me it almost sounds like a proper TD release! > >Riccardo From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > >What has happened to Franke musical output? With the exception of Pacific >Coast Highway and Klemania his music is weak if not non-existant! This seem >illogical since it appears to be his input into TD that made their music so >wonderfully different. >From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) > > >> From: 'joe shoults' >> >> OK, OK. I broke down and bought tix for the 12:30 AM showing at one of >the >> stadium-style seating, THX-equipped theaters. >> >> ...26 HOURS! >> > >5 Months (Argh !!) Drove by the theater a 1/2hr. ago no line. 3 1/2 hours. Gang, so you are aware. Joe is going to the better theater ( bum). Have fun Joe! siberkat From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > > >Worst: Tyger! How embarrassing! Grace Jones-like poetry reading! Corny! >The instrumental tracks do have there merits and are quite nice, but on the >whole I shudder when I think of that CD (I copied the good tracks onto >another CD and use Tyger as a coaster). > >These are my own opinions only, and I'm sure some will totally disagree with >me But I'd like to know what fellow Dreamers like and hate > >Regards > >Anil > From: 'Michael A. Jean' - > Hey Anil, > > You forgot the 3-5 years worth of music from 'Babylon 5'. I am > unsure as to > most individuals opinions, but some of them are AEWSOME!! > > If you don't have any, I highly reccomend trying one. There are many, & > more comming. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16529 Re: babylon 5 Steven Le Vine Wed 5/19/1999 2 KB From: 'Jared White' From: John Gentile ----- Original Message ----- From: Shadow To: Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 10:36 PM Subject: [tadream] THE KEEP > From: 'Shadow' > > Well it has arrived and is waiting for me to pick up. > THE KEEP IS MINE!!!! > ah ah ah ah > ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' > Delenn, Severed Dreams... > > Shadow >You swine you. The preacher. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for a new hobby? Want to make a new friend? > http://www.onelist.com > Come join one of the 145,000 email communities at ONElist! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking for a new hobby? Want to make a new friend? http://www.onelist.com Come join one of the 145,000 email communities at ONElist! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: 'Thomas' From: 'Jared White' > >Hi, folks, > >I'm new to the list, and a hard-core Tangerine Dream fan. :) > >I've had Dream Sequence in my collection for some time (it was the first >Tangerine Dream album/compilation I heard, I got it from my dad). I'm trying >to put together a list of all the tracks and which albums they come from, >but I'm completely stumped with the first track. Does anyone know where 'The >Dream is Always the Same' comes from??? I've looked all over Tangerine >Dream's Web site, and I can't it anywhere! > >Thanks a lot, > >Jared Hi Jared, 'The Dream is Always the Same' comes from the soundtrack to the movie 'Risky Business'. That's also where 'Love on a Real Train' comes from. It was released on Virgin Records in 1984 (I think) and is a good album. But it does feature tracks by other artists such as Phil Collins, Bob Seger, Muddy Waters and Jeff Beck. I think there are two others, but I can't seem to remember their names now. Best, Thomas From: 'Heiko Heerßen' What has happened to Franke musical output? With the exception of Pacific > Coast Highway and Klemania his music is weak if not non-existant! This seem > illogical since it appears to be his input into TD that made their music so > wonderfully different. I'm a little bit dissapointed by his music, too. I bought his first disc Pacific Coast Highway when it was released in 1991 and at first didn't liked it at all (after hearing it several times again last year I now think that 3/4 of the album is just great music...the same goes with the rest of TD's output in the 90's. Sometimes the music has to grow on you, especially Franke's and TD's music in this decade. You should try Franke's 'The London Concert' (if you don't already have it).It's one of his best I think. I also have 'The celestine prophecy' ... but this reminds me more of Oliver Shanti (which means I don't like it at all ;-) > It was Franke's use of the 'chattering' sequencer line that made TD's music > so liquid and dynamic (and it is seriously lacking in more recent TD). > Perhaps it's a clear demonstration that as a unit they worked well but > individually......All he seems to do now is soundtracks (no doubt he's rich > though), Couldn't agree more! From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Michael A. Jean' > > >HOw many more???? I already have a whole shelf full of them! > >> - >> Hey Anil, >> >> You forgot the 3-5 years worth of music from 'Babylon 5'. I am >> unsure as to >> most individuals opinions, but some of them are AEWSOME!! >> >> If you don't have any, I highly reccomend trying one. There are many, & >> more comming. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >What do lizards and rock music have in common? >http://www.onelist.com >They both have communities at ONElist. Find yours today! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, >and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To >unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Wed May 19, 1999 7:10 am Subject: Re: Best and Worst Here is my choise Best : ENCORE Worst : SHYPEOPLE greetings Bert > ---------- > From: Anil Sahal[SMTP:9148621s@u...] > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 18:20 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Best and Worst > > From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > > You may have already done this but what are everyone favourite and worst > TD > albums? Perhaps we should be really strict and keep it to one only (tough > I > know) > > > I'll start I suppose: > > Best: Logos Live- because of it's brooding, menacing drones and > atmospheric clangs intersperced by magnificent sequences and that massive, > huge,dynamic chord sound towards the end of part 1 (I've never been able > to > get even close to that sound-does anyone know how they did it? PPG > perhaps?). > I love the way part 2 builds 'organically' from the drone with that > sparkly > effect to the introduction of sharp stabs of sound building a more complex > arrangement with every passing second. Then it gives way to a syncopated > percussive segment before the almost dance-like penultimate section > (before > dance music was even thought of). The whole album is the redressed by the > closing triumphant chords of the end of side two. Then Dominion finishes > off. Spectacular!! > > Worst: Tyger! How embarrassing! Grace Jones-like poetry reading! > Corny! > The instrumental tracks do have there merits and are quite nice, but on > the > whole I shudder when I think of that CD (I copied the good tracks onto > another CD and use Tyger as a coaster). > > These are my own opinions only, and I'm sure some will totally disagree > with > me But I'd like to know what fellow Dreamers like and hate > > Regards > > Anil > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ----- > Anil Sahal > Motorneurone Research Group > Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems > West Medical Building > University of Glasgow > Glasgow > Scotland > G12 8QQ > 0141-339-8855 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ----- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ONElist: bringing the world together. > http://www.onelist.com > Join a new list today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, > and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To > unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'Joe Shoults' > >> >> (That okay Mr. Admin, sir? 8D). >yes, of course it is okay! I think you were joking, but I hope you guys >understand: there have been a lot of tongue-in-cheek references and >apparent uncertainty as to what is or is not 'allowed' to be discussed on >this list, and I just want to clarify what is not appropriate (yet >again!)... Yeah, I was joking. I was showing that even though I left school 15 years ago, I'm still a brown-nosing swot toward the 'teacher'. It has to be said that after an initial concern by many list members, there hasn't been any strife for a while of the trading boots subject. I assume the message has got through and people are dealing with it. Well done, Joe. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats Nordlinder From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >> >>Which bring me to my next point. Has anyone wondered if TD actually do >>play live? > >Many people on the other list have expressed the opinion that TD simply mime >along to a DAT played in concert. I personally think that's a load of crap. I don't. One each. >I'm not a musician, Neither am I so we're still even. 8D >so I'm not sure about this, but I have a feeling that the digital gear they >use is so controlled and MIDI-fied that it makes even live playing sound >identical to the studio. I mean, you have one preset sound you used for a >studio track, you hit the same key to produce it live, and you have in >essence an exact copy of what you played in the studio. In short, I think >it's more the fault of the equipment than it is anything else. _If_ that were the case (and I don't doubt the technology side, just the motivation), why don't they select another sound to play live? They could create new arrangements of these pieces just as they have done for Vintage pieces. (And haven't we heard the same 're-arranged' vintage pieces for a number of years?). IMO, TD apply the 'tangentizing' approach to their live material too, and it is that, if anything, that Ed and Jerome play live. The odd additional string here, a wash there, almost lost in the frantic pace of their Modern Sets. >That might >have been the motivation of adding Linda and Zlatko, to re-introduce the >uncontrollable elements. I've never really understood the need for Zlatko. Both Ed and Jerome play guitar, yet they insist on hiring session musicians for their studio and live work (that includes Mark Hornby and Gerald Gradwool). What has Ed done to himself that makes him (feel?) unable to play guitar anymore? -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats Nordlinder Has anyone wondered if TD actually do play live? I would love to give some comments on this issue but as t-h-o-m-a-s@s... wrote yesterday.....TD has NEVER played live here in Sweden (or Scandinavia for that matter), I believe this discussion is old but are there any explanation why they in all those years never gave a concerts here in northern Europe ?? We´re no savages up here in the cold north (well we were Vikings some while ago, but we´re nice now I can guarantee) and TD is widely known here in Sweden. *waiting for an answer* / Mats Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16537 Re: Playing Live (in Volvo-land) Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Wed 5/19/1999 2 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Wed May 19, 1999 8:35 am Subject: Re: Playing Live (in Volvo-land) I've been in Sweden twice a couple of years ago ( in Olofstrom ) , nice people indeed, but their lifestyle was a little old fashioned. Maybe is this one of reasons that TD didn't made it in Sweden ? ;-) ( I still wearing Wooden Shoes) Gretings Bert From Holland I still wearing Wooden Shoes ;-) > ---------- > From: Mats Nordlinder[SMTP:mats.nordlinder@e...] > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 10:27 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Playing Live (in Volvo-land) > > Human beings......may I have your attention please ! > > From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u... > > >Has anyone wondered if TD actually do play live? > > I would love to give some comments on this issue but as > t-h-o-m-a-s@s... > wrote yesterday.....TD has NEVER played live here in Sweden (or > Scandinavia > for that matter), I believe this discussion is old but are there any > explanation why they > in all those years never gave a concerts here in northern Europe ?? > We´re no savages up here in the cold north (well we were Vikings some > while > ago, but we´re nice now I can guarantee) and TD is widely known > here in Sweden. > > *waiting for an answer*    /   Mats >   > From: 'j.gordon' What has Ed done to > himself that makes him (feel?) unable to play guitar anymore? j.gordon here... Hey, Joe... That sounds like a very good interview question, though we might get a less defensive response if it is formed in such a way as to ask and not accuse... ;) j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' You may have already done this but what are everyone favourite and worst TD > albums? Perhaps we should be really strict and keep it to one only (tough I > know) j.gordon here... Okay... I'll play... Best: Live Miles - IMO, a great _farewell_ ablum to the days of 30 min concert pieces... as well as to Herr Franke... agreed, the last half of the Berlin concert is a bit strange, but the Albuerquerque concert is 30 minutes of some of best TD, combining the old with the new... great album... Worst: Zeit... well... 'nuff said... And just for the record... even though I'm a big proponent of Tyger, I have no connection to the band, nor William Blake, nor the singer... but, if any of you have heard such tunes as I just want to rule my life without you, Brother or Stranger, or Shy People, I would expect a certain amount of gratitude towards the band for not chosing one of THOSE singers to do the Grace-Jonesish work... :) Oh, and let's see a good turn-out for this question... there are enough people on the list that we should see a really wide spread of opinions... that's what we like here... diversity... 8D j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' their names now. > j.gordon here... Prince had one of the tracks... j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Wed May 19, 1999 9:57 am Subject: In Answer to Scott and Playing Live Hello Scott, I can see what you mean about the potential reproducability of music using electronic gear. However as I said in my original post, there are some sounds and events that rely on random events in (particularly analogue) synths eg the random phase cancellation that produces beating and pasing effects. Also, TD reproduce sections of concerts that used old analogue technology and that cannot be reproduced using digital gear (the person who cracks this little problem will become very rich!) unless they are sampled in their entirety. During my last TD concert in Glasgows Royal Concert Hall (which was outstanding by the way) I had full view of Edgars hands during the concert and he was definitely not playing what I was hearing! Also, Zlako appeared to be picking notes on his guitar during Poland which does not have a guitar part! I don't really have a problem with this - I go to see my heros perform and I understand that a lot of their music would be nearly impossible to reproduce live. I once went to an Erasure concert (my wife made me-honest) and they keyboardist would climb up a scaffold, where his sequencers were located, and start the machine, climb down and sit on the stage with his hand sin his pockets, looking at the audience! Now thats integrity!! Warm Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: 'Poulton, Larry' From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Wed May 19, 1999 10:00 am Subject: Re: Zlatko Surely that's the fault of the band not writing guitar parts throughout the tunes. I don't think one needs to be a multi-instrumentalist to be in TD. I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that Linda Spa couldn't play keyboards when she joined TD! Anyway, I don't think any of them play live!!:) Anil At 13:46 18/05/99 -0700, you wrote: >At 9905.18 -- 07:34, Anil Sahal wrote: >>From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> >>One very good addition to modern TD has to be Zlatko Perica? His fret work >>is truly excellent (G.I.T graduate perhaps?) and I hope they use his skills >>a little more often on their studio releases (but then I'm a biased >>guitarist). Does anyone have anymore info on Zlatko? > > > I have to admit that Zlatko's guitar playing is good, but it isn't >great. Guitar is the only instrument he knows how to play. Seeing him in >concert during the Rockoon Tour it looks kinda bad that during the time he's >not playing all he can do is to pat his axe in time to the music. > At least Linda can play keyboards in addition to the Sax, which makes >the group look like their well-rounded in musical training. > When the guitar sound isn't needed, Zlatko looks like a Fifth Wheel >onstage > > > >Pete Isaacson >DJ DreamHead >mailto:penfold@a... >'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our >studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. >If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' > -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to >take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. >At 9905.18 -- 07:34, Anil Sahal wrote:
>>From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...>
>>One very good addition to modern TD has to be Zlatko Perica?  >His fret work
>>is truly excellent (G.I.T graduate perhaps?) and I hope they use his >skills
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>>guitarist).  Does anyone have anymore info on Zlatko?
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>        At least >Linda can play keyboards in addition to the Sax, which makes the group >look like their well-rounded in musical training.
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> -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which >instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ >magazine. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Wed May 19, 1999 10:09 am Subject: The Keep TD were selling The Keep at their last concerts and their people assured me that a more expensive version would be on sale in the shops. Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16969 The Keep Anil Sahal Thu 6/24/1999 2 KB 16975 Re: The Keep Plumer, Scott Thu 6/24/1999 2 KB 16980 Re: The Keep patricdonaghy@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx Thu 6/24/1999 1 KB 16984 Re: The Keep Steven Le Vine Fri 6/25/1999 1 KB 16986 Re: The Keep yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx Fri 6/25/1999 1 KB 17002 Re: The Keep Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 6/26/1999 1 KB 17003 Re: The Keep Thomas Sat 6/26/1999 1 KB 17135 The Keep Plumer, Scott Wed 7/7/1999 2 KB 18479 The Keep Graham Coutts Tue 10/19/1999 1 KB From: rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx Date: Wed May 19, 1999 10:17 am Subject: Interview questions How about: 'All TD album designs were created by Monique Froese right up to the end of the Virgin years, why did she stop?' Cheers, Riccardo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16577 Re: Interview questions Joe Shoults Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB 16599 Re: Interview questions rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx Thu 5/20/1999 2 KB 16600 Re: Interview questions Poulton, Larry Thu 5/20/1999 3 KB From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Wed May 19, 1999 10:37 am Subject: The Need for Zlatko? An Answer to Craig You're right about Edgars and Jeromes ability to play guitar. However they are very different to Zlatko. Ed and Jerome aren't really fluid guitarists whereas Zlatko is. Speaking as a guitarist, Ed and Jerome have very limited guitar abilities! Having said that, Edgar has a unique style and sound which is difficult to achieve. Anyone can play the piano, for example, but to sound individual is true artistry. I think Edgar can claim to have acheived this. Jerome? I'll have to hear more of his work, but I remain unimpressed! His playing is a little cliched and he's obviously absorbed a lot of Edward Van Halen's technique. Zlatko is so obviusly a schooled player (maybe a Guitar Institue grad?) and his playing demonstrates real skill. His note selection and phrasing are tastful. I believe he makes a valid contribution to TD's overall. Again these are my own persoanl opinions and I don't claim to be an authority! Warm Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16586 Re: The Need for Zlatko? An Answer to Craig Bennett Cookson Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB 16691 Re: The Need for Zlatko? An Answer to Craig Gabe Yedid Wed 6/2/1999 3 KB 16694 Re: The Need for Zlatko? An Answer to Craig healya@xxxxx.xx Wed 6/2/1999 1 KB From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Wed May 19, 1999 10:41 am Subject: Too Cold? I can't believe TD haven't played in Sweden. A major overlook, on their part, I should imagine. Maybe the ice and snow slows down MIDI data or they'd be too distracted by the beautiful people in the audience (I've been there, I've seen them. What a good looking country!!) Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16555 Re: Too Cold? Thomas Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB 16651 Re: Too Cold? Fabien Dumay Wed 5/26/1999 1 KB From: tomm@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Wed May 19, 1999 11:23 am Subject: Re: Best and Worst > You may have already done this but what are everyone favourite and worst TD > albums? Perhaps we should be really strict and keep it to one only (tough I > know) Why not? Since everybody else is chiming in... Best: Pergamon. I think that the introduction of J. Schmoelling to the band was a true landmark. And this concert proves that point very well. I consider the years 1980-1985 to be the best creative years of the band. (Just my humble opinion, y'all!) Worst: (Something, *anything* from the pink years... :/ ). If I must choose, I select Zeit. I still have difficulty making it to disc 2. (Is it ... pink years = pink noise? You be the judge. ) Tom From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Wed May 19, 1999 11:49 am Subject: TD Biog. Has anyone read Digital Gothic-A Critical Discograohy of Tangerine Dream by Paul Stump? I was excited when I discoverd this book but after reading a little of it I found it very irritating. Mr. Stump seems to have an inability to be clear and consise! He seems to like using a vocabulary that produces page after page after page of utter, indecipherable clap trap! He had a wonderful oppotunity to communicate the wonders of TD to people who may not have been exposed to them before, but Stump, instead, wasted it on a muso journalists ego trip! He should have put down his thesaurus and used a more accessable language that even I, as a poor, uneducated scientist, could understand! Sorry. I had to get that off my chest! I feel better now. Anyway to my point. Stump appears to have considered the entire eighties and some of the nineties TD catalogue as rubbish! He regards the very early material as far superior. However I've noticed that the members of this TD list has a definite bias toward TD's eighties and nineties material. Am I correct in this assumption? Does anyone out there shere Stumps opinion and, if so why? I look forward to hearing from you all. Warm regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16551 Re: TD Biog. Poulton, Larry Wed 5/19/1999 4 KB 16553 Re: TD Biog. Mats Nordlinder Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB 16613 Re: TD Biog. j.gordon Fri 5/21/1999 2 KB 16620 Re: TD Biog. Joe Shoults Fri 5/21/1999 2 KB 16621 Re: TD Biog. Gabe Yedid Fri 5/21/1999 1 KB 16622 Re: TD Biog. joe shoults Sat 5/22/1999 2 KB 16624 Re: TD Biog. Gabe Yedid Sat 5/22/1999 1 KB From: TJames0001@xxx.xxx Date: Wed May 19, 1999 11:53 am Subject: Re: Best and Worst Well I thought I would throw in my 2 cents worth... Best Tie: Encore, Stratosfear, Logos and Tangram Worst: Zeit Best Song: Love on a Real Train Tom In Indiana From: 'Poulton, Larry' Has anyone read Digital Gothic-A Critical Discograohy of Tangerine Dream by Paul Stump? I was excited when I discoverd this book but after reading a little of it I found it very irritating. Mr. Stump seems to have an inability to be clear and consise! He seems to like using a vocabulary that produces page after page after page of utter, indecipherable clap trap! He had a wonderful oppotunity to communicate the wonders of TD to people who may not have been exposed to them before, but Stump, instead, wasted it on a muso journalists ego trip! He should have put down his thesaurus and used a more accessable language that even I, as a poor, uneducated scientist, could understand! Sorry. I had to get that off my chest! I feel better now. Anyway to my point. Stump appears to have considered the entire eighties and some of the nineties TD catalogue as rubbish! He regards the very early material as far superior. However I've noticed that the members of this TD list has a definite bias toward TD's eighties and nineties material. Am I correct in this assumption? Does anyone out there shere Stumps opinion and, if so why? I look forward to hearing from you all. Warm regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ONElist: the best source for group communications. http://www.onelist.com Join a new list today! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com _____________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Wed May 19, 1999 12:07 pm Subject: Re: Best and Worst A lot of you say : > Worst: Zeit > > I've said best : ENCORE worst: SHYPEOPLE I can imagen that people can say ZEIT is not their best, but IMO it is one of their greatest in their early years. They did not make an album like that , a real spacetrip, never heard that music again, i still like it. greetings Bert From: Mats Nordlinder From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > > > > However I've noticed that the members of this TD > list has a definite bias toward TD's eighties and nineties material. > > Am I correct in this assumption? > > I can only speak for myself.........the period between 1975 up 1987 was TD:s best period......the early stuff is to hard and cold for me and the later stuff, well it´s been said before.....when C. Franke left the band the quality began to go down.....but hey ! these are my opinions.... // Mats btw, thanks Anil for the nice words about my country ! From: 'Thomas' From: 'Thomas' From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> Hi Anil, Thomas here. >I can't believe TD haven't played in Sweden. A major overlook, on their part, I should imagine. What can I do but agree?! As I am from Sweden myself, I'm having trouble getting to the concerts. Actually never been to one yet, but I'm seriously thinking about cancelling my trip to Corfu to go see the KlangArt festival instead. >Maybe the ice and snow slows down MIDI data... Not in the summer :-D >...or they'd be too distracted by the beautiful people in the audience (I've been there, I've seen them. What a good looking country!!) Yeah, that's probably why! ;o) Thomas From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Wed May 19, 1999 1:06 pm Subject: Re: Best and Worst > Thomas > You wrote > Best: without a doubt 'Encore'. I just can't seem to get enough of this > 2LP. I like it especially since I got hold of the original Virgin vinyl, > (with the all green labels), where I can hear the not SBM remastered > sound. Sure, a bit more noise, but A LOT more music! > > > I don't have to tell how i agree with you. the vinyl version is indeed the best. (but indeed it is noisy ) i've the cd version too but there is no life in it. Bert From: 'Kevin Earley' From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... > >A lot of you say : > >> Worst: Zeit >> >> >I've said > >best : ENCORE >worst: SHYPEOPLE > >I can imagen that people can say ZEIT is not their best, but IMO it is one >of their greatest in their early years. >They did not make an album like that , a real spacetrip, never heard that >music again, i still like it. > I too can understand people finding Zeit difficult to listen to, but it really is a great album. They have never done anything even remotely similar, and nothing else comes close to the atmosphere of Zeit. Julian Cope said it very well: '... 80 minutes of utter Komische beauty. Music that hangs in Deep-space. ...its remarkable unchanging unfolding near-static barely-shifting vegetable organic-ness takes over the room and permeates the whole house.' Everyone should own a copy of Zeit ( I recommend the Castle remaster) and listen to it at least once a year. Of course, this is just my own opinion; and I love Metal Machine Music as well. TD's Best: Rubycon (I difficult choice in a tight field) TD's Worst: Tyger (I have been listening to this lately, and apart from the title track, I am not impressed) Kevin Earley kearley@r... np: KS - Timewind From: 'Jim Moore' I'm a little bit dissapointed by his music, too. I bought his first disc Pacific Coast Highway > when it was released in 1991 and at first didn't liked it at all (after hearing it several times > again last year I now think that 3/4 of the album is just great music...the same goes with > the rest of TD's output in the 90's. Sometimes the music has to grow on you, especially > Franke's and TD's music in this decade. You should try Franke's 'The London Concert' > (if you don't already have it).It's one of his best I think. I also have 'The celestine > prophecy' ... but this reminds me more of Oliver Shanti (which means I don't like it at > all ;-) Just recently bought EPIC by Franke -- I really don't understand the criteria used to determine the 'best' of Franke... While I find the underlying concept of CELESTINE PROPHECY a little lame, the album mostly a very good one musically. 'Confrontation' (not the THIEF song), in particular, is a fantastic song, but instead, two of the weakest songs from the album are on the comp. Same could be said for RAVEN and RUNNING MAN. Also, the additional songs on the album sound too much alike stylistically... Almost as if Franke didn't listen to the album as a whole before cutting it to CD. Could have been a lot more variety with the chosen albums (even more if PERRY RHODAN and BAB5 had been included). - jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 'The Internet! Is that thing still around?' -- Homer Simpson jimbo@v... Jim Moore, Atlanta, GA Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: 'Thomas' From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > >Anyway, I don't think any of them play live!!:) I may have my doubts about the keyboard sections, but I'm sure the guitar and sax pieces are live. You just need to hear different shows from the same tour to notice differences. Also, the same tracks played on different tours may have th same backing but often have different sax or guitar leads. NP : Global Communication - 76:14 -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Wed May 19, 1999 1:32 pm Subject: Re: Best and Worst > ---------- > From: Kevin Earley[SMTP:kearley@r...] > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 15:11 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Best and Worst > > From: 'Kevin Earley' > > > Kevin Earley > kearley@r... > > np: KS - Timewind > > also a great favorite of mine Greetings Bert From: 'Plumer, Scott' I've never really understood the need for Zlatko. Both Ed and Jerome play >guitar, yet they insist on hiring session musicians for their studio and live >work (that includes Mark Hornby and Gerald Gradwool). What has Ed done to >himself that makes him (feel?) unable to play guitar anymore? Perhaps he just like's Zlatko's style. Scott From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Wed May 19, 1999 2:02 pm Subject: Another Trend! I've noticed another little trend in everyones best and worst of albums; Nobody has made much mention of the 90's material. I wonder why? I have a bit of a love/hate realtionship with 90's TD. I find the newer music too 'dense'. They seem to fill every gap with huge expansive string sounds and after a while it becomes like eating a rich chocolate cake (Ummmmm...chocolate cake..)ie nice for the first few pieces but then nauseating! Their older material had more space in the structure and it allowed the listener to breathe. 'Music is the space between the notes!' Also the melodies were stronger and more upfront, whereas now it takes a few listens to be able to focus on the melody. I'm one of those listeners who takes a while to get to know a piece of music, but when I do, every nuance is burned into my mind! This is much harder with newer TD. Try it. Hum, whistle or sing a part of Quinoa! Not so easy. Now try singing Dominion, Choronzon or Remote Viewing. That's really good, carry on! BUT, what I hate about TD is that you'll listen to a mediocre few tracks on a new album and decide that you're never going to buy a TD album ever again when, all of a sudden, they hint back to those magical soundscapes. They'll produce a piece of music of shear excellence that make you want to put on that TD tour T-shirt and parade around the streets, proudly (or something like that anyway). Then you're compelled to buy the next album just in case tey do the same again! Don't get me wrong, TD still have there great momnets but they're fewer and far between. Perhaps I'm getting old? I do think that 220 Volts Live and Tournado are really good albums. They have elements of TD of old but with a forward looking edge too. Interesting that they're both live. Incidently, I've noticed some of you have been cheating and mentioning more than one album as you favourite. Shame on you for your lack of discipline!!:-D Cloudburst Flight anyone? Warm Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16565 Re: Another Trend! Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Wed 5/19/1999 4 KB 16592 Re: Another Trend! Stephen Kyle Thu 5/20/1999 4 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Wed May 19, 1999 2:10 pm Subject: Re: Another Trend! I've to agree that the latest albums are not mentioned as the best, but neither as the worst, we had to choose only the best or the worst, IMO their latest albums can match with their oldest but they are different, not worser (?). We call that progression. I think over a couple of years the choice could be differend. Quinia is an album that grows. Keep on Dreaming. Bert > ---------- > From: Anil Sahal[SMTP:9148621s@u...] > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 16:02 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Another Trend! > > From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > > I've noticed another little trend in everyones best and worst of albums; > Nobody has made much mention of the 90's material. I wonder why? > > I have a bit of a love/hate realtionship with 90's TD. I find the newer > music too 'dense'. They seem to fill every gap with huge expansive > string > sounds and after a while it becomes like eating a rich chocolate cake > (Ummmmm...chocolate cake..)ie nice for the first few pieces but then > nauseating! Their older material had more space in the structure and it > allowed the listener to breathe. 'Music is the space between the notes!' > Also the melodies were stronger and more upfront, whereas now it takes a > few > listens to be able to focus on the melody. I'm one of those listeners who > takes a while to get to know a piece of music, but when I do, every nuance > is burned into my mind! This is much harder with newer TD. Try it. Hum, > whistle or sing a part of Quinoa! Not so easy. Now try singing Dominion, > Choronzon or Remote Viewing. That's really good, carry on! > > BUT, what I hate about TD is that you'll listen to a mediocre few tracks > on > a new album and decide that you're never going to buy a TD album ever > again > when, all of a sudden, they hint back to those magical soundscapes. > They'll > produce a piece of music of shear excellence that make you want to put on > that TD tour T-shirt and parade around the streets, proudly (or something > like that anyway). Then you're compelled to buy the next album just in > case > tey do the same again! Don't get me wrong, TD still have there great > momnets but they're fewer and far between. Perhaps I'm getting old? > > I do think that 220 Volts Live and Tournado are really good albums. They > have elements of TD of old but with a forward looking edge too. > Interesting > that they're both live. > > Incidently, I've noticed some of you have been cheating and mentioning > more > than one album as you favourite. Shame on you for your lack of > discipline!!:-D > > Cloudburst Flight anyone? > > Warm Regards > > Anil > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ----- > Anil Sahal > Motorneurone Research Group > Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems > West Medical Building > University of Glasgow > Glasgow > Scotland > G12 8QQ > 0141-339-8855 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ----- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Campaign 2000 is here! > http://www.onelist.com > Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. See our homepage. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, > and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To > unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Wed May 19, 1999 2:13 pm Subject: Re: Zlatko Craig, I think you've knocked the nail on the head there. Incidently, did you get my directions for Lost in Music? Anil At 13:13 19/05/99 +0000, you wrote: >From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > > >>From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> >> >>Anyway, I don't think any of them play live!!:) > >I may have my doubts about the keyboard sections, but I'm sure the guitar and >sax pieces are live. You just need to hear different shows from the same tour >to notice differences. Also, the same tracks played on different tours may have >th same backing but often have different sax or guitar leads. > >NP : Global Communication - 76:14 > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... >Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 >Alenia Marconi Systems >Integrated Systems Division >Donibristle, Fife, Scotland >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >What was YOUR favorite part?! >http://www.onelist.com >Tell other Star Wars fans at ONElist! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: 'Poulton, Larry' I've noticed another little trend in everyones best and worst of albums; Nobody has made much mention of the 90's material. I wonder why? I have a bit of a love/hate realtionship with 90's TD. I find the newer music too 'dense'. They seem to fill every gap with huge expansive string sounds and after a while it becomes like eating a rich chocolate cake (Ummmmm...chocolate cake..)ie nice for the first few pieces but then nauseating! Their older material had more space in the structure and it allowed the listener to breathe. 'Music is the space between the notes!' Also the melodies were stronger and more upfront, whereas now it takes a few listens to be able to focus on the melody. I'm one of those listeners who takes a while to get to know a piece of music, but when I do, every nuance is burned into my mind! This is much harder with newer TD. Try it. Hum, whistle or sing a part of Quinoa! Not so easy. Now try singing Dominion, Choronzon or Remote Viewing. That's really good, carry on! BUT, what I hate about TD is that you'll listen to a mediocre few tracks on a new album and decide that you're never going to buy a TD album ever again when, all of a sudden, they hint back to those magical soundscapes. They'll produce a piece of music of shear excellence that make you want to put on that TD tour T-shirt and parade around the streets, proudly (or something like that anyway). Then you're compelled to buy the next album just in case tey do the same again! Don't get me wrong, TD still have there great momnets but they're fewer and far between. Perhaps I'm getting old? I do think that 220 Volts Live and Tournado are really good albums. They have elements of TD of old but with a forward looking edge too. Interesting that they're both live. Incidently, I've noticed some of you have been cheating and mentioning more than one album as you favourite. Shame on you for your lack of discipline!!:-D Cloudburst Flight anyone? Warm Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Campaign 2000 is here! http://www.onelist.com Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. 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ID Date Size 16576 Re: Cloudburst Flight Steven Le Vine Wed 5/19/1999 2 KB From: 'Plumer, Scott' From: 'Thomas' From: 'Michael A. Jean' Date: Wed May 19, 1999 3:08 pm Subject: Re: tenchi muyo/perry rhodan Steve, (and other interested parties) I believe you can still buy them directly from Sonic Images at reasonable prices.....www.sonicimages.com... Tenchi has a bunch of little tracks that follow one of to themes (dark and light)...they jump back and forth so much that it gives me a headache...To enjoy the disc I need to program all the light ones in a row and then all the dark ones...The light ones are like Transformation of Mind...the dark ones are like B5....It also features a vocal track by none other then Nina Hagen. I think Perry Rhodan better of the two discs, and is seriously under-rated(IMHO)...It contains nice long tracks mostly between 6 and 12 minutes...It has two tracks with vocals by Rick Jude which seem pointless by themselves, but fit nicely with the overall concept.... Very cinematic and sweeping themes, with orchestral elements and strings (not everyone cup of tea)..some hints of the long B5 battle sequences...and once again featuring that really cool ambient FROST RUBY track clocking in at 10:40. Given the choice between them I would take Perry Phodan any day... MJ, Chicago Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16582 Re: tenchi muyo/perry rhodan Jim Moore Wed 5/19/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed May 19, 1999 3:28 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] star wars I saw it last night. I'll try to give some impressions without spoiling anything: The plot is there. Not as strong or engaging as Episodes 4-6 because it is primarily doing a lot of 'setting up' for Episodes 2 & 3, but I think that most people will understand and accept this fact. I think the current criticisms will fade somewhat in retrospect once Eps 2&3 come out. It only relied a little upon your previous knowledge of the Star Wars mythos; I think the uninitiated will enjoy it just as much. You Joseph Campbell fans out there looking for the same types of hero-myth cycle elements may have to wait for the other episodes, I think. But there was one plot element setting you up (anakin's conception). Be prepared for some comedy relief elements that cater to the under-12 demographic (the Jar Jar Binks character and the race announcer(s) were silly, IMO). GREAT visuals, lots of good light saber play. Perhaps the strongest criticisms I have is that there were a couple of parts that felt too edited, like they were cut out for the sake of movie length or something- or underdeveloped. It wasn't disjointed, necessarily, but seemed maybe a bit skimmed-over in parts (maybe it was just the script and directing). Example: I thought Darth Maul could have been developed/used more. I'm sure we will see plenty more of the Sith in Ep.2&3, but I felt this character would have been able to play a bigger role in the overall plot (I expected as much, given that his face is all over the place!). In fact, now that I am thinking about it, the difference between this and the other movies, and perhaps the source of some of the criticism, I think, is that there was not the clear definition of primary hero or primary villain (like Luke/Darth). In fact, the best-developed character was Jar-Jar, whom I wanted to see least. That makes it hard for many viewers (critics?) to swallow, as we are bred on this formula. A sorta-scientific explanation was given about the nature of The Force, which took a little away from its mystic appeal, IMHO. Ewan McGregor does a great impression of a young Alec Guiness' voice. If you're wondering whether it's OK for young kids: to the degree that you think it is OK for a kid to see someone sliced in 1/2 with a light saber (no blood), it is OK for young kids. I will take my 4-year-old, who is into Star Wars (he loves that part on the trailer where Obi-Wan 'pushes' the droids down with the Force). The theater where I saw it was one of those new ones with stadium-style seating. I sat about halfway up, slightly to the left, and the sound was awesome! (Dolby digital) The theater warned us that the sound was going to be turned up extra loud, which was fine by me. All in all, it was great- an 8/10. It could have been an hour longer as far as I was concerned. I left the theater wanting more, not because I felt that the movie fell short, but because I live in an immediate-gratification world. I can't wait 'til Ep.2!!! I will go back again at least once or twice (and sit closer next time). -joe From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> Date: Wed May 19, 1999 3:29 pm Subject: First Time with TD The first TD I heard was the OST of Sorcerer and I loved the darkness of it. But the one profound experience I had was at one of their gigs. It would have been the Logos tour and there was a section that suddenly quietened and they played a very rhythmic piece that had a 'middle eastern' sort of feel to it(Phrygian/diminished phrygian/harmonic minor chord sequences and scales if that helps anyone understand what I mean!). There was something primal about it and it made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up! I NEVER heard it again! I scoured all the bootlegs etc but was never able to find that section again. How this saddens me! :-( Hopefully the new 'Sohoman Live in Sydney' release will have that piece on it since it's about the same time. Anyone for 'Love on a Real train?' Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Charles Amos Date: Wed May 19, 1999 3:29 pm Subject: Best And Worst Hi All, Best: Underwater Sunlight (followed closely by Rockoon) Worst: Tyger -Bill Amos Baltimore, Maryland (USA) From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> Date: Wed May 19, 1999 3:31 pm Subject: Apology Sorry I keep posting all these messages but I've never met other TD fans who talk so eloquently about TD music and I've been saving this up for years! It'll soon dry up and you will be able to breathe a sign of relief! Apologetically Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23274 Re: Apology Gibbons, Conrad Fri 7/14/2000 1 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed May 19, 1999 3:59 pm Subject: Re: Playing Live ok. give it a shot at rewording. -j > -----Original Message----- > > > What has Ed done to > > himself that makes him (feel?) unable to play guitar anymore? > From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Wed May 19, 1999 4:04 pm Subject: Re: Cloudburst Flight Hey Larry, 'Phaedra'. Heard it, did not know what the hell it was. Still unsure how I came in to possession of it. Anyway, late 80's Early 90's, had a friend who was a body-builder, since I worked at a music distributoship & could get CD's at a good price, she (Yes SHE!) asked me to pick some up for her. One CD on the list was 'Optical Race' had a friend help me find it in the warehouse & he advised me it was 'real cool'. Was at her house a few weeks later & she was playing it (THE CD!). From there my whole life changed. Still one of my main faves. BTW, Best TD CD: Currently (& usually) 'Le Parc'. Worst: I'll go for 'Flashpoint' ---------- >From: 'Poulton, Larry' > > >Anyone else got any special memories of 'first heard....'? > From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed May 19, 1999 4:09 pm Subject: Re: Interview questions sounds good; I'll add it tot he list. -j > -----Original Message----- > From: rzanelli@h... [mailto:rzanelli@h...] > > How about: > 'All TD album designs were created by Monique Froese right up to > the end of > the Virgin years, why did she stop?' > > Cheers, > Riccardo From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung Date: Wed May 19, 1999 4:27 pm Subject: Old Tangible Dreams Wanted / TDIFC membership Hi I am looking for old issues of the TDIFC Tangible Dreams, just issue 1 and 2. Any guy out there who can make photocopies, please contact me off-list. I have some TD articles to trade. Also found my old TDIFC membership card #536. Just wondered how many people on the list were previous members? Who got the earliest membership no.? Klaus Beschorner? Jeffrey Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16612 Re: Old Tangible Dreams Wanted / TDIFC membership jmpoer@xx.xxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx. Fri 5/21/1999 2 KB 16619 Re: Old Tangible Dreams Wanted / TDIFC membership Joe Shoults Fri 5/21/1999 1 KB From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung Date: Wed May 19, 1999 4:30 pm Subject: Old fanzines to offer Hello again Forgot to say that I have a few old issues of the Dutch KLEM, American Dreams Word, as well as Polish Generator News fanzines I want to get rid of. If anybody is interested in such material, contact me off-list. Jeffrey From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Wed May 19, 1999 4:29 pm Subject: Tyger. Preacher Here. May the Lord strike you down this blasphemous talk must stop . A plague of Goblins will descend and destroy the disbeliveers. The Red Morpho will strike, the Beach bay bunker will not be safe, The last thing you will see is the common man,running with Vigour from Dawn till Dusk as he trys to escape the Astral voyager riding the back of the Tyger as he appears from the Horizon. Repent before its too late. Preacher. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16583 Re: Tyger. Steven Le Vine Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB 16584 Re: Tyger. Steven Le Vine Wed 5/19/1999 1 KB From: 'koulos' Date: Wed May 19, 1999 5:22 pm Subject: best&worse best:GREEN DESERT worst:ATEM that is because i cannot unserstand it.........and i don't think it is matchind the 4 songs one another........ maybe i am wrong time will tell greetings from sinshining greece ....... i would like to see them live too... From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed May 19, 1999 5:28 pm Subject: Re: tenchi muyo/perry rhodan > I think Perry Rhodan better of the two discs, and is seriously > under-rated(IMHO)...It contains nice long tracks mostly between 6 and 12 > minutes...It has two tracks with vocals by Rick Jude which seem pointless by > themselves, but fit nicely with the overall concept.... Very cinematic and > sweeping themes, with orchestral elements and strings (not everyone cup of > tea)..some hints of the long B5 battle sequences...and once again featuring > that really cool ambient FROST RUBY track clocking in at 10:40. Sort of on a Franke track here, but I would agree. RHODAN is probably the best of Franke's classical-type music. The themes are both well-developed and memorable, unlike a lot of his soundtrack work. I can't remember any of the titles except 'Bridge to Eternity', which is the weakest of the set entirely because of the lyrics. [Just a rant here, but I wish Franke would stay away from lyrics. I don't know if it's grasp of the language, or that he's just trying to find words to fit the music, but there's just something about them that seems so banal. Froese's lyrics seem to have a bit more dimension to them.] 'Frost Ruby' is great, too. Great mix of music on this one. - jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 'The Internet! Is that thing still around?' -- Homer Simpson jimbo@v... Jim Moore, Atlanta, GA Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Wed May 19, 1999 5:45 pm Subject: Re: Tyger. Yeah! & then there is J. Gordon. Sing it Preacher! siberkat >From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > >Preacher Here. > >May the Lord strike you down this blasphemous talk must stop . > >A plague of Goblins will descend and destroy the disbeliveers. > >The Red Morpho will strike, the Beach bay bunker will not be safe, >The last thing you will see is the common man,running with Vigour from Dawn >till Dusk as he trys to escape the Astral voyager riding the back of the >Tyger as he appears from the Horizon. > >Repent before its too late. Preacher. From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Wed May 19, 1999 5:46 pm Subject: Re: Tyger. Yeah! & then there is J. Gordon. Sing it Preacher! siberkat >From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > >Preacher Here. > >May the Lord strike you down this blasphemous talk must stop . > >A plague of Goblins will descend and destroy the disbeliveers. > >The Red Morpho will strike, the Beach bay bunker will not be safe, >The last thing you will see is the common man,running with Vigour from Dawn >till Dusk as he trys to escape the Astral voyager riding the back of the >Tyger as he appears from the Horizon. > >Repent before its too late. Preacher. From: 'Jonathan Schick' Date: Wed May 19, 1999 7:20 pm Subject: LOGOS 'Stunningly' very nicely put... I love 'Logos' Jonathan **** From: 'Plumer, Scott' While perusing the latest issue of Progression, the journal of progressive rock, I noticed a column listing progressive rock 'essentials' and noted that TD was mentioned: 'Tangerine Dream, Logos: A liverecording, Logos is a dark gem. Ominous layers of synths build and diminsh, taking the listener on a dark journey with scattered moments of absolute beauty. Stunning.' My sentiments exactly. From: Bennett Cookson Date: Wed May 19, 1999 8:44 pm Subject: Re: The Need for Zlatko? An Answer to Craig > Having said that, Edgar has a unique style and sound which is difficult to achieve. ** Yes, I like his style and it really fits the music! > Jerome? I'll have to hear more of his work, but I remain unimpressed! ** Listen to Radio City on Lilly. (this is Jerome, see credits) I do not know about the technical aspects, but the guitar sounds really cool to me! --Bennett From: 'Shadow' Date: Wed May 19, 1999 9:51 pm Subject: Re: Chris Franke > Just recently bought EPIC by Franke -- I really don't understand the > criteria used to determine > > Also, the additional songs on the album sound too much alike > stylistically... Almost as > if Franke didn't listen to the album as a whole before cutting it to CD. > Could have been a > lot more variety with the chosen albums (even more if PERRY RHODAN and BAB5 > had > been included). I enjoy just chillin to this album, I agree it is very 'samey' but at the same time relaxing.... I also enjoy the B5 stuff...... Epic is well worth a look at. ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenn, Severed Dreams... Shadow From: 'Shadow' Date: Wed May 19, 1999 9:58 pm Subject: Re: Review of the Phantom Menace So it isn't B5 then a pity!! Won't be watchin it then............................ :-) ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenn, Severed Dreams... Shadow > From: 'Shadow' Date: Wed May 19, 1999 10:09 pm Subject: TANGENTS Somebody out there give me the run down of Tangents please.. Disc by Disc... The box doesn't give much info and having an extensive collection of TD I don't want to waste £60 on material I already have...... besides the money can be spent elsewhere like paying my brother for the signed copy of Sleeping in Light that he bought for me...... Had to rub that in STEVE Le VINE due to you seeing The Phantom Menace before the rest of us..the signatures are really REALLY cool!!!!! Sorry for bein childish!! :-) ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' Delenn, Severed Dreams... Shadow Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16595 Re: TANGENTS Steven Le Vine Thu 5/20/1999 2 KB 16617 Re: TANGENTS Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Fri 5/21/1999 3 KB 16626 Re: TANGENTS Shadow Sat 5/22/1999 1 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Wed May 19, 1999 10:14 pm Subject: Best worst. Hi folks The best and the worst . Best. Tangram. Worst. Transsiberia. LIVE LONG AND PROSPER ( THE PREACHER ) From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Wed May 19, 1999 10:17 pm Subject: PHANTOM. Hey Jens you out there? Sorry mate Phantom opens in the UK in July . Delay your visit till the 16th if possible . Live long and prosper M8. Carl. From: Stephen Kyle Date: Wed May 19, 1999 11:30 pm Subject: Re: Another Trend! ANIL If you are getting old, then I am too. I was disappointed at a negative comment Froese made on his web site about some fans complaining that the older music was much better - he says such fans are unable to move on or progress. I agree with you - it is TD that is a shadow of its former self. Once in a while they show what made them great, and I keep supporting them in the hopes that the potential will bloom again. Sorcerer is one of my all time best soundtracks. No modern TD music can match it. Steve Kyle >From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > >I've noticed another little trend in everyones best and worst of albums; >Nobody has made much mention of the 90's material. I wonder why? > >I have a bit of a love/hate realtionship with 90's TD. I find the newer >music too 'dense'. They seem to fill every gap with huge expansive string >sounds and after a while it becomes like eating a rich chocolate cake >(Ummmmm...chocolate cake..)ie nice for the first few pieces but then >nauseating! Their older material had more space in the structure and it >allowed the listener to breathe. 'Music is the space between the notes!' >Also the melodies were stronger and more upfront, whereas now it takes a few >listens to be able to focus on the melody. I'm one of those listeners who >takes a while to get to know a piece of music, but when I do, every nuance >is burned into my mind! This is much harder with newer TD. Try it. Hum, >whistle or sing a part of Quinoa! Not so easy. Now try singing Dominion, >Choronzon or Remote Viewing. That's really good, carry on! > >BUT, what I hate about TD is that you'll listen to a mediocre few tracks on >a new album and decide that you're never going to buy a TD album ever again >when, all of a sudden, they hint back to those magical soundscapes. They'll >produce a piece of music of shear excellence that make you want to put on >that TD tour T-shirt and parade around the streets, proudly (or something >like that anyway). Then you're compelled to buy the next album just in case >tey do the same again! Don't get me wrong, TD still have there great >momnets but they're fewer and far between. Perhaps I'm getting old? > >I do think that 220 Volts Live and Tournado are really good albums. They >have elements of TD of old but with a forward looking edge too. Interesting >that they're both live. > >Incidently, I've noticed some of you have been cheating and mentioning more >than one album as you favourite. Shame on you for your lack of discipline!!:-D > >Cloudburst Flight anyone? > >Warm Regards > > Anil > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- >Anil Sahal >Motorneurone Research Group >Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems >West Medical Building >University of Glasgow >Glasgow >Scotland >G12 8QQ >0141-339-8855 >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Campaign 2000 is here! >http://www.onelist.com >Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. See our homepage. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, >and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To >unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com Stephen Kyle skyle@t... www.tiac.net/users/skyle From: 'Jared White' Date: Thu May 20, 1999 12:42 am Subject: Another Trend: Philisophical Comments Just thought I'd share some of my thoughts regarding this subject. I think Edgar is right. I bet many of you can sympathize with this scenario: you discovered TD some time ago, bought a lot of their LPs, went to concerts, and what not -- then sort of lost touch with their work and went on to other things. And now you're on the Web, getting back in touch with their work and their fans via Web sites and this mailing list, and reminiscing over the 'good ol' days' of TD back in the 70's and early 80's. Am I right? Now here I am. I'm 16. I play music in a Celtic ensemble. I hate bubble-gum pop, hard rock, heavy metal, and rap, but I like to think I'm fairly progressive. My dad, too, had been a TD fan in their early days, and, when I was little, he got the Dream Sequence compilation on CD. I always loved it, even when I was a little kid. My dad also got Optical Race when it came out. I really enjoyed that, too, though I didn't listen to it that frequently. Semi-recently, however, I found Tyranny of Beauty at Borders Books & Music, and got it. I didn't really like it at first (I'm still not crazy about it), but I was starting to get hooked. I soon bought Melrose, and loved it. Then I bought Turn of the Tides. Woohoo! (I'll get to that in a minute.) I've since bought Goblin's Club, as well as Logos, the Sorcerer soundtrack, and, finally, Lily on the Beach. Anyway, I feel fairly familiar with the range and scope of TD's work. I haven't heard anything from the 'Pink Years', but it seems most people here don't like that stuff anyway. :) So what's my take? TD's mid 70's to mid 80's work is great (obviously). The 'Paul Haslinger' era is really good, but it lacks focus. Those albums sound like a cross between TD's classic, almost surrealistic style -- and mainstream rock, almost pop, perhaps. Not that they aren't good. I still think Optical Race is a good album, and Melrose is even better. Lily on the Beach...well, it sucks. :) But, what about their new(ish) work? I'm regret that I haven't heard anything between Melrose and Turn of the Tides, so I can't comment on Rockoon, 220 Volt Live, etc. But, let me tell you, Turn of the Tides is absolutely incredible. Any self-respecting TD fan has to buy this album. I really can't heap enough praise upon it. Tyranny of Beauty seems, again, unfocused. There are some nice tracks, but some of the time is just seems to be 'synth noodling', or electric guitar grunge/noise. It's sad, because this album *could* have been a lot better than it was. I know TD was capable of it at the time, because the album before it was so good (but then again, it's hard to do a sequel to something that's already excellent). Luckily, things change again. Goblin's Club is a wonderful album -- not so much for what it is (though it *is* great), but what it hints at. When I listen to it, I get the feeling that TD is really starting to be pioneers once again. You can hear touches of the 'good ol' TD sound from days gone by, but it's different. They seem to be experimenting more, trying new things -- not in an unfocused way, but in a purposeful, direct way. There are even classical elements to their new sound. You could hear that in Turn of the Tides as well, and also in Tyranny of Beauty to some extent. I'm really quite looking forward to hearing TD's recent work, especially Mars Polaris. Anyway, to wrap this all up -- what's the best TD music? It depends on whether you want to cling to the old, or just let go and follow the new. So many of you seem to act like TD is long gone -- it isn't! They're working EVEN AS WE SPEAK! Think if you were in Edgar's shoes. He's obviously not sick of writing and playing music. In fact, he seems to be very active and excited about his current work. And then, to have all these fans drone on and on about how wonderful some concert was back in the 70's and how TD's modern music doesn't even come close -- don't you realize how frustrating that must be? If you don't like TD's new music, sitting around and moping about isn't going to do any good. Listen to their latest work -- carefully and objectively. Think about the things you like about it. Find out the things you don't. Then give them some *contructive* feedback! If you want TD to have the glory and fame and the prominence they once had, then give them your whole-hearted support! The fans are what keeps the musicians going. As much as Edgar, or Jerome, or any other artist, likes to say that they'd keep doing what they felt was right musically, regardless of their fans or critics -- they really can't go on if they don't have the support of both their fans, and their critics. I hope that's given you all some food for thought, and please don't think I'm trying to insult anybody. I think this list is great, and I've already learned quite a lot. I just really don't want to see everyone get stuck in a rut of talking about the good ol' TD days, when TD is doing great work right now! At the very least, I defy anyone to tell me that Turn of the Tides and Goblin's Club aren't excellent albums. :) Regards, Jared __________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@s... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.adei.com The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.adei.com/gallery Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: 'Steve McCready' From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Shadow' > >paying my brother for the >signed copy of Sleeping in Light that he bought for me...... >Had to rub that in STEVE Le VINE due to you seeing The Phantom Menace before >the rest of us..the signatures are really REALLY cool!!!!! > >Sorry for bein childish!! :-) > >' If you value your lives be some were else. ' >Delenn, Severed Dreams... > >Shadow > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >ONElist: where the world talks! >http://www.onelist.com >Join a new list today. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, >and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To >unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'Michael A. Jean' From: Stephen Yensen From: Stephen Yensen From: rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx Date: Thu May 20, 1999 8:52 am Subject: Re: Interview questions Come to think of it, I don't think this whole subject of album covers and graphics has ever been discussed here or anywhere before. Obviously, the band (or at least Edgar) were involved with the design while Monique was doing it, but then what happened? Are they actively involved in cover design now (apart from just accepting or rejecting what the graphic department come up with)? Are the covers in any way related to the music on the disc? And here's another one: Who had the idea for the double-T Tyger logo? Somehow, I think their best album graphics were the ones designed by Monique... Best: Stratosfear Worst: Private music Riccardo >sounds good; I'll add it tot he list. >-j > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rzanelli@h... [mailto:rzanelli@h...] >> >> How about: >> 'All TD album designs were created by Monique Froese right up to >> the end of >> the Virgin years, why did she stop?' >> >> Cheers, >> Riccardo From: 'Poulton, Larry' sounds good; I'll add it tot he list. >-j > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rzanelli@h... [mailto:rzanelli@h...] >> >> How about: >> 'All TD album designs were created by Monique Froese right up to >> the end of >> the Virgin years, why did she stop?' >> >> Cheers, >> Riccardo ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Give back to your community through 'Grow to Give.' http://www.ONElist.com See homepage for details. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com _____________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also be privileged. 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From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Thu May 20, 1999 2:03 pm Subject: In Reply to Jared Hello Jared, You've made some very good points about TD and the way we sometimes cling to the old. In fact there has been research that shows that our musical tastes have a critical period of development and that by the age of about 25-30 years peoples taste are pretty much fixed and tend not too alter. So it will happen to youone day, Jared! Enjoy your flexibility now. You'll be on this list in 20 years time saying how great the Dream Mixes were and how the TD of 2021 are not as good! TD are fairly unique in that they've been going for some 32 years and so their evolution has been witnessed by us, the fans. Maybe it's this growing up in the public eye that we find difficult to understand. What is a little different however, is that TD of the past fastidiously avoided incorporating the mainstream musical trends into there own works. There was no TD punk or New Romantic era (thankfully!-Imagine Edgar with a glittery suit and hair gel-shudder!). It was this that made them so unique But modern TD has, at times, become like dance music. The Dream Mixes and all those Thai Dub remixes are a prime example. There have been times when I've heard ambient music and thought it could be TD. This would never have happened with their past material as it was so individual. Now there are a myriad of TD almost sound-a-likes who rip off TD type tunes and make more money than TD ever will! It's this lack of integrety that I find a little irritating. Could this be the influence of the younger Jerome? I don't know. But Edgar has said in the past that he doesn't care what the fans want, he produces what he thinks is TD. Fair enough, it's his baby. We all have our preferences and perhaps you're right Jared, we should be more open. We must 'empty our cup,' as some Zen master said 'and allow the new in.' Warm Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17063 In Reply to Jared Anil Sahal Tue 6/29/1999 4 KB From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> Anil, thanks for the directions to Lost in Music. Is it open on a Sunday? >Has anyone read Digital Gothic-A Critical Discograohy of Tangerine Dream by >Paul Stump? [ tirade snipped ] > >Sorry. I had to get that off my chest! I feel better now. There were a number of similar comments on the other list around the time of its release. I also find his language difficult (and unnecessary). I also share someone else's wonder that he botherd to write a book at all when his appreciation for TD's music seems to cover around 5% of the group's output. It'd be like me writing a book on U2 (I like Sunday Bloody Sunday and The Streets Have No Name, and that's it). >Anyway to my point. Stump appears to have considered the entire eighties >and some of the nineties TD catalogue as rubbish! He regards the very early >material as far superior. However I've noticed that the members of this TD >list has a definite bias toward TD's eighties and nineties material. I can't speak for the whole list, but my fave period is probably 1979 to 1987. I once discussed (in great detail) the various sequences of albums and how this 79 to 87 period covers the largest number of 'great' albums (IMO) in a reasonably short time. However, I did also indicate that each period has its own 'great' albums. Unfortunately, it seems as though this decade will pass without a 'great' album - merely a collection of good and reasonable ones. My 'great' albums are : Pink Years : Alpha Centauri Virgin Years : Phaedra, Force Majeure, Logos, White Eagle Blue Years : Poland, Underwater Sunlight, Tyger Private Years : none Seattle Years : none TDI Years (?) : none Which leads me to my best and worst. BEST : Force Majeure WORST : Rockoon I'm interested to see that no-one has stated Electronic Meditation as the worst album. Is this because we all feel that it has more musical merit than (for example) Rockoon, or is it simply an unconscious 'overlooking' of a truly awful (musically) album because of its historic context? I know I've fallen into the trap too, but I refuse to name it as the worst album because, whilst I may not _like_ it, it is undoubtedly trying something different. Not only do I not like Rockoon, but it offers nothing new (IMO). -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16606 Re: TD Biog and Best and Worst tomm@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Thu 5/20/1999 4 KB 16614 Re: TD Biog and Best and Worst Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Fri 5/21/1999 4 KB 16628 Re: TD Biog and Best and Worst Jim Moore Sat 5/22/1999 1 KB From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Thu May 20, 1999 4:07 pm Subject: TD Technology-PPG Wave One of the good things about TD was there close association with manufacturers of electronic musical equipment. They seemed to be particularly keen on Palm Production Germany (PPG) and always had one of their PPG Wave synths somewhere in their studio/stage. These were wonderful looking, engineering blue, chunky beasts with amazing tonal possibilites and lots of knobs on its sloping front panel! So when I had the oppotunity to play with one recently my mouth was watering (anyone seen my anorak?). I did what most people do and flicked through the preset sounds factory loaded into it. To my astonishment many of the sounds were used on TD albums! I played parts of Exit, Logos and many others. There was a large number of sounds that used vocal waveforms but altered them is such a way that they hinted of human voices but sounded electronic/metallic. Eerie. The PPG Wave 2.2 and 2.3 have an ability to 'morph' waveforms together, so one could start out with a silky smooth string waveform and have a nasty raspy vocal waveform at the end, and get the machine to calculate the intermediate 64 waveforms to switch through from one to the other. So when the key was struck, a beautiful string sound eminated from the amp/speaker and it gradually became dirtier and nastier until the final filthy waveform sounded! Amazing! The sequencing abilities of the PPG were also extensive. These sounds really evokes memories of classic TD, so I wonder if TD had a hand in making these sounds. I think it's very possible. PPG went out of business in the 80's as they were very expensive and were superceded in some ways by cheaper Japanese synths. It's unique sound was lost forever, or so it seemed. The brains behind PPG have got together recently to produce The 'Waldorf' which is basically a PPG in a, now burnt orange coloured, box (with millions of knobs). Again the preset sounds are very TD and it make the hairs on the back of you neck stand up when one hears these sounds. My brother has a Waldorf but finds little time to explore it's possibilities (children-who'd have 'em?) They have a website with down-loadable sounds if you're interested. Anyone else here a synth anorak? Warm Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16662 Re: TD Technology-PPG Wave Jens Peschke Fri 5/28/1999 1 KB From: 'Jonathan Schick' From: tomm@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Thu May 20, 1999 10:01 pm Subject: Re: TD Biog and Best and Worst >I can't speak for the whole list, but my fave period is probably 1979 to 1987. >I once discussed (in great detail) the various sequences of albums and how this >79 to 87 period covers the largest number of 'great' albums (IMO) in a >reasonably short time. However, I did also indicate that each period has its >own 'great' albums. Unfortunately, it seems as though this decade will pass >without a 'great' album - merely a collection of good and reasonable ones. I'd have to agree. I feel that TD's most creative *and* enjoyable albums came out during this period. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that not only were very few (if any) bands were producing the kind of music as TD but, I think, that TD had it's strongest lineup of great composers and performers during this period. It was also the period I started listening to their music and started to appreciate their musical output. That might make me biased, but I enjoy listening to their music for the sake of enjoying the experience and I get the most enjoyment out of the albums from this period. >My 'great' albums are : >Pink Years : Alpha Centauri >Virgin Years : Phaedra, Force Majeure, Logos, White Eagle >Blue Years : Poland, Underwater Sunlight, Tyger >Private Years : none >Seattle Years : none >TDI Years (?) : none Really? No standouts at all for the last three categories? I know that the Private years were not known for their landmark albums but I'd have to at least conbsider either _Optical Race_ or _Melrose_ as standouts for these years. As for their Miramar US releases there are _220 Volts_ and _Turn of the Tides_ to consider as well. How about the TDI years? I think it's too early to tell but _Goblin's Club_ was no album to sneer at. All in all, some very good albums were released in the past twelve years, no doubt a trend that TD will continue! >I'm interested to see that no-one has stated Electronic Meditation as the worst >album. Is this because we all feel that it has more musical merit than (for >example) Rockoon, or is it simply an unconscious 'overlooking' of a truly awful >(musically) album because of its historic context? I know I've fallen into the >trap too, but I refuse to name it as the worst album because, whilst I may not >_like_ it, it is undoubtedly trying something different. Not only do I not like >Rockoon, but it offers nothing new (IMO). I agree with you on _Rockoon_. It was a disappointment when I first heard it but there are still some very good tracks on that album - 'Touchwood' being a classic from this album. The case with _Electronic Meditation_ is very simple, too. Unlike a couple TD releases from the Pink Years, I still listen to EM once in awhile. I find 'Journey Through a Burning Brain' to be a very enjoyable piece (well, most of it) even though it is chaotic in places and sounds rather dated thirty years later. But you do have to start your musical career somewhere. I find it interesting that this album became TD's first impression, especially since it's quite different from their next few releases. Still, there's no denying that even on EM TD's groundbreaking departure from structured melodies and their desire to create a unique sound is quite apparent. I may not play it often, but it does get a spin in my cd player more often than _Zeit_ and _Atem_ combined. Tom From: John Gentile Can somebody tell if THE KEEP is out there to buy and can I get any live TD other than the ones they sell in the states piano_man : Sunday, May 16, 1999 4:21 PM To: tadream@o... Subject: Re: [tadream] THE KEEP From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' ----- Original Message ----- From: Shadow To: Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 10:36 PM Subject: [tadream] THE KEEP > From: 'Shadow' > > Well it has arrived and is waiting for me to pick up. > THE KEEP IS MINE!!!! > ah ah ah ah > ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' > Delenn, Severed Dreams... > > Shadow >You swine you. The preacher. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for a new hobby? 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Subject: Re: [tadream] THE KEEP From: John Gentile Can somebody tell if THE KEEP is out there to buy and can I get any live TD other than the ones they sell in the states piano_man : Sunday, May 16, 1999 4:21 PM To: tadream@o... Subject: Re: [tadream] THE KEEP From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' ----- Original Message ----- From: Shadow To: Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 10:36 PM Subject: [tadream] THE KEEP > From: 'Shadow' > > Well it has arrived and is waiting for me to pick up. > THE KEEP IS MINE!!!! > ah ah ah ah > ' If you value your lives be some were else. ' > Delenn, Severed Dreams... > > Shadow >You swine you. The preacher. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for a new hobby? 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Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: 'Jared White' I need testing of the RealAudio on the tadream site. Would some > of you mind > going there and let me know if everything is working OK? > http://tadream.copfer.com, click on 'RealAudio'. Everything's working OK for me here in California. BTW, is the tangerine-dream.de site eventually going to be integrated into the tadream.copfer.com site, or the other way around, or what? On the News page at tadream.copfer.com, you have a link to the 'Sneek peak at the next tadream website-in-progress', but the page it goes to doesn't exist. So what's going on? :) Good luck, Jared __________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@s... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.adei.com The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.adei.com/gallery Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: John Gentile > > >Can somebody tell if THE KEEP is out there to buy and can I get any live TD >other than the ones they sell in the states > > piano_man From: jmpoer@xx.xxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx) Date: Fri May 21, 1999 6:33 am Subject: Re: Old Tangible Dreams Wanted / TDIFC membership Jeffrey, My TDIFC Card was number 50 or 51 (I'm away from home right now and can't check...but that'close). I'll check when I get back and see if I have #1 and #2 Tangible Dreams. It wouldn't hurt for you to remind me in about 5 days. :-) John Poer 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' >From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung > >Hi > >I am looking for old issues of the TDIFC Tangible Dreams, just issue 1 and 2. Any guy out there who can make photocopies, please contact me off-list. I have some TD articles to trade. > >Also found my old TDIFC membership card #536. Just wondered how many people on the list were previous members? Who got the earliest membership no.? Klaus Beschorner? > >Jeffrey John M. Poer JP/AD Theatre Services West - Directors Guild of America jmppoer@i... From: 'j.gordon' material as far superior. However I've noticed that the members of this TD > list has a definite bias toward TD's eighties and nineties material. > > Am I correct in this assumption? Does anyone out there shere Stumps opinion > and, if so why? j.gordon here... Sorry for the late posting, Anil... am on vacation and looking for a new home, so don't have as much time for the list as it really deserves... ;) I agree on this point... and one might be able to point to a certain Hr. Franke as influencing this, and then with J. Schmoelling, well... it kicked off, what in my opinion (which I have found is very similar to an onion: it usually makes people cry and it's only palatable after it's been fried... :) in my opinion, is the most creative and powerful music of their career... Jerome has influenced them in other ways, more modern ways, and the music is different, but still good... the early stuff seems more experimental, as if the albums were for 'Learning to Fly' as oppossed to 'The Show must go on', if you know what I mean... and one might be able to point to, in support, the fact that they have never (that I can name off the top of my head) gone back to resurrect early pieces, samples or other wizardy... well, okay, there is that blaring Stratoshpere 95, but, well, you know, there are always exceptions... :) in conclusion... 80's: two thumbs up, 90's: thumbs up... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: tomm@e... (Tom Monaghan) > >Really? No standouts at all for the last three categories? Certainly there are those that stand above the rest in each age, but they are only good above the average and not great above the good as was the case in early years. >I know that the >Private years were not known for their landmark albums but I'd have to at >least conbsider either _Optical Race_ or _Melrose_ as standouts for these >years. Ah, Optical Race. If you have a minute, let me tell you about Optical Race and me. When I found TD, it was 1981 and I was at secondary school. Over the next five years, when I left to go to college, I gradually managed to buy a number of early TD works - say around a ten. The first album I bought when it came out was Underwater Sunlight - a combination of having grant money to spend and more time to miss college classes and hunt the record shops. Over the next couple of years, I got Tyger and Livemiles as they appeared, as well as completing my 'back-catalog'. In 1988, I had my 21st birthday and bought a new hi-fi system, complete with CD-player, with money I got from my father. Needless-to-say, the months afterword were spent buying CDs to replace vinyl, and this encompassed not just TD but also my other faves at the time (pop groups, mainly). Whilst buying items such as Phaedra and Logos again, I came across Optical Race. Where's Chris, I wondered. He's gone?!? I wonder what this'll sound like. And so, out of my new CD system, which typically played the 'old' TD of Phaedra, Force Majeure, Alpha Centauri, came a sound that was worse than my fave pop artists of the time. I hated it. With a passion. A relatively short time later, I found Lily on the Beach and was even more horrified. What had happened to those wonderous sounds and textures? What the hell were they playing pop songs for? So, for me Optical Race is a land-mark album that I've never really recovered from. Whilst I can now listen to new TD and still enjoy it, there's too much 'shock' still in OR for me to enjoy. If I had started ten years later, I'm sure it would have fitted nicely into the sequence, but as it is, both OR and LotB are nowhere near favourites. >I agree with you on _Rockoon_. It was a disappointment when I first heard it >but there are still some very good tracks on that album - 'Touchwood' being >a classic from this album. Touchwood was okay the first few times I heard it, but by the time its appeared on 75 different albums with various mixes, I'm getting a little fed up of it. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'j.gordon' > ok. give it a shot at rewording. > -j j.gordon here... Howz 'bout... What is impetus behind having someone other than Edgar (or Jerome) play guitar? j.gordon... === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From: 'de Kruis, Hans SNV-MCF/9' >Subject: Re: FW: [tadream] THE KEEP > Hey Piano, > I am sure we all get the message, but does anybody have an answer? As > Ihave shared on numerous occassions with 'older' (time, not age) members > of 'the list'. I have been searching for 'THE KEEP' for over a year. The > only place I have ever seen it listed is on Gemm.com by 3 different > suppliers. Iam on my second & I have been waiting since March. It don'y > look good. Igot a really great response from 'Joel' on this list when I > inquired about'THE KEEP'. The truth is, 'it ain't easy to find.' In > regards to 'liveTD', what exactly are you looking? I do not think I have > anything to offer, > just curious.>> > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'Shadow' Don't know if anyone's responded to this yet, so here's my take. >Somebody out there give me the run down of Tangents please.. >Disc by Disc... >The box doesn't give much info and having an extensive collection of TD >I don't want to waste £60 on material I already have...... Discs 1 to 3 feature material taken from the Virgin years albums - Phaedra to Hyperborea. With the exception of Cyclone, every studio album has at least one track / section included. Most tracks are in the 5 to 10 minute range - even long tracks like Rubycon and Logos have been faded into shorter segments. Almost all tracks are either 'tangentized' (i.e. have over-dubbing and remxing) or have been re-recorded entirely (e.g. Monolight played on Rolf Harris' Stylophone). There's a typical Virgin / TD error on the set - one part of Rubycon appears twice under two different names. And my mother says all their music sounds the same! CD4 features soundtrack material from Sorcerer, Risky Business, Firestarter, Wavelength and Flashpoint. At the time of Tangents' release, the Flashpoint CD was not readily available officially (following the cock-up with the first pressing), so this was quite a coup. CD5 features new material - only Silver Scale appears to be not entirely new having appeared previously in Wavelength and live shows from the early 1980s. The remainder of the material was fairly standard (IMO) mid-90s TD sounding stuff - not in the same league as the previously unreleased stuff from Dream Roots. Although Schmoelling did get some credits for some tracks, they sound mostly like Ed solo material, very much in the same vein as the new stuff on Beyond the Storm. I don't think any real fan should be without this set, although at £60 its quite an investment if you already own the originals. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Joe Shoults' On the News page > at tadream.copfer.com, you have a link to the 'Sneek peak at the next > tadream website-in-progress', but the page it goes to doesn't exist. So > what's going on? :) Sorry for the confusion; that was a leftover link. What used to be the 'sneak-peek page' is now the main page. I have yet to set up the browser/Flash plug-in detection scripts, but that will be a couple of weeks yet. Instead, I just put an HTML-only link there for the folks that don't/won't have the Flash plug-in. It is a work in progress... But I want to take this opportunity to ask if anyone has any ideas for the site- in content and/or structure- to let me know. It is a little off-topic, so you can e-mail me off-list, or if you think it is pertinent, on-list. > Everything's working OK for me here in California. BTW, is the > tangerine-dream.de site eventually going to be integrated into the > tadream.copfer.com site, or the other way around, or what? There are no plans to merge sites, as the idea of the tadream site is to be a sort of 'online fan club' page (of sorts). I want to try to NOT duplicate their content as much as possible, although some overlap is inevitable. I will eventually have an online database for looking up info (working on it), replace the current chat function with a non-commercial one, and we're looking at the possibility of setting up secure online shopping. By the way, has anyone used the Chat function on the site? I know there are several who use Dalnet, but I haven't had time to look into whether or not it is something that can be incorporated into the site. The only drawbacks of the current one (that I can see) are you have to look at a couple of banners, and you have to use a unique chatname. Thanks for testing the site. If anybody has any other links, or has TD-related personal pages they want in the Member's Gallery, let me know. -joe From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: John M. Poer [mailto:jmpoer@i...] ... > I'll check when I get back and see if I have #1 and #2 Tangible Dreams. It > wouldn't hurt for you to remind me in about 5 days. :-) ... > >From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung > >I am looking for old issues of the TDIFC Tangible Dreams, just > issue 1 and 2. Any guy out there who can make photocopies, please contact me > off-list. I have some TD articles to trade. If anybody is willing to scan these, they would be a great addition to the tadream site! I don't think the value of the originals would diminish by being publicly viewable (in fact, may increase due to greater exposure/demand). If anyone can do this, please let me know off-list. Thanks, -joe From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: j.gordon [mailto:ssaalyersjj@y...] ...> is the most creative and powerful music of their career... Jerome has > influenced them in other ways, more modern ways, and the music is > different, but still good... the early stuff seems more experimental, > as if the albums were for 'Learning to Fly' as oppossed to 'The Show > must go on', if you know what I mean... I think the new/old comparison has been made to so many bands that it seems to be a constant phenomenon. Like you refer to Pink Floyd (I agree), and also new/old Rush (Moving Pictures = transition album), Genesis (Abacab?= transition), even Eric Clapton and The Stones, etc. I hear a lot of people say about these bands that they 'don't like the new stuff', or that the band 'sold out', simply because the fan laid their own expectations on the artist. If a band is around long enough, it is inevitable. The exact same thing happened to me after TD's transition album, Optical Race. I liked OR, but at the time hoped it was just a temporary stylistic diversion. When they stayed in the radio-format genre, I became disillusioned, and reverted to the pre-Melrose eras. It wasn't until much later that I actually began to appreciate the new stuff. Case in point: I bought Oasis 2 weeks ago, and it hasn't left my player yet. Granted, it sounds a lot like Goblin's Club (actually one song is just a derivation of a GC song in parts), but the more I listen to it, the more I like it. I think Jared summed it up best the other day. Bands evolve; get used to it. To expect a band to constantly live in their past is akin to saying you desire no innovation. -joe From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Joe Shoults' > > (actually one song is just a derivation of a GC song in parts), but the more > I listen to it, the more I like it. Uh, which song from _Oasis_ do you mean? Most of _Oasis_ sounds to me like it was composed in the early '90s, around the same time as 220 Volt--after all, 'Waterborne' was the show opener for the '92 tour (albeit in an incomplete form). > -joe Gabe From: 'joe shoults' > On Fri, 21 May 1999, Joe Shoults wrote: > > ...(actually one song is just a derivation of a GC song in parts), > > but the more > > I listen to it, the more I like it. ... > From: Gabe Yedid > Uh, which song from _Oasis_ do you mean? > Most of _Oasis_ sounds to me like it was composed in the early '90s, > around the same time as 220 Volt--after all, 'Waterborne' was the show > opener for the '92 tour (albeit in an incomplete form). Hey Gabe. The song I'm talking about is 'Summer Storm'. It and 'Towards the Evening Star' sound like different manifestations of the same musical ideas. They are not totally the same, of course, but they have a lot of the same instrumentation, same pacing, same notes in similar spots, similar breaks to rhythmic sections, etc. Both have the same derivation of a Tangram 1 sequence in them. Don't get me wrong- I love both songs, but I can recognize what is similar in them. some people get really bent about that, but I don't. Besides, one is a soundtrack, and the other a regular release. Even if the songs were exactly alike with different titles, it would be OK. OASIS liner notes say 'All musical material has been entirely composed, performed and recorded by Edgar Froese and Jerome Froese at Eastgate Studios Vienna 1996'. GC is from 1996, so I think it's safe to assume they were composed concurrently. So it was probably inaccurate for me to say either was a derivation of the other; they are just different, but similar songs, written at the same time for different purposes. -joe From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung From: Gabe Yedid From: 'joe shoults' > > Hey Gabe. The song I'm talking about is 'Summer Storm'. It and 'Towards the > Evening Star' sound like different manifestations of the same musical ideas. Funny, I was always of the opinion that 'Summer Storm' (yeah I had a feeling it's that one you meant) was the lost twin of 'Little Blonde In The Park of Attractions'--at the very least, it's definitely of more recent vintage than the rest of _Oasis_, IMO. The chord structure and (rather spotty) melody were what tipped me off initially. > -joe Gabe From: Gabe Yedid +++++++ > > DJ Rome will do a set at the Klangart Party > ^^^^^^^ Gabe From: 'Shadow' From: Vic Rek From: 'Jim Moore' 'Touchwood' being >>a classic from this album. > >Touchwood was okay the first few times I heard it, but by the time >its appeared >on 75 different albums with various mixes, I'm getting a little >fed up of it. Well, no one said you had to buy all 75 albums... :-) - jim Now Playing: Tangerine Dream - GOBLINS CLUB ============================================== 'You're gonna need a bigger boat...' -- Roy Schieder - JAWS jimbo@v... = Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net From: 'Michael A. Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: Vic Rek [mailto:torque19@i...] > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 10:26 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] TD Singles for Trade + The Keep > > > From: Vic Rek > > I have a few singles I'm willing to trade: > > 1. Daydream/Moorland from Tatort - Germany with picture sleeve > 2. House of the Rising Sun - US in Relfex magazine (still attached) > 3. Alexander Square/Berlin Summer Nights - Germany with picture sleeve > 4. Tangram Parts I-IV - Germany promo only with picture sleeve > All are in great condition but e-mail me with any specific questions. > > Also, due to numerous inquires about The Keep, I have decided to place > my original CD for bid at www.ebay.com (sorry for the advertisement ;-) > > Thanks, > Vic > > NP: 'What a Blast' - still! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > What was YOUR favorite part?! > http://www.onelist.com > Tell other Star Wars fans at ONElist! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in > your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'Michael A. Jean' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Mon May 24, 1999 1:17 pm Subject: TD Names Does anyone know where TD get the names of their tracks/albums from? Some of them seem very obscure and would require specialist knowledge of the given subject. For example, 'Choronzon' is the name of a demon as listed in an Alister Crowley book, 'Lily on the Beach' is a reference to a Buddhist saying about the unliklihood of finding a lily on a beach, Mount Shasta is the biggest Buddhist Temple in the west (California), 'Remote Viewing' is the psychic ability to 'see' events and places from afar , and of course many titles are place names like 'Two Bunch Palm' and 'Melrose' and 'Midnight in Tula'. Does anyone have any others they could explain to us eg. Quinoa, Pergammon/Quichotte, Convention of the 24 ? The list is endless! Warm Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motorneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16638 Re: TD Names PENFOLD Tue 5/25/1999 2 KB From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Mon May 24, 1999 2:26 pm Subject: TD in Print I've got a couple of TD articles from about 1982 where the band give very in depth interviews (I think only Froese and Franke give their insights) and discuss their music and ideas about the (then) explosion in new technology. The magazine is now defunct, I believe (Electronic and Musicmaker), so I assume I could scan them and post them out on the Tadream list if anyone is interested? There's also a complete transciption of Choronzon if anyone wants to know how to play it! What would be the best format to save the file as? bitmap? jpeg? I hope someone will tell me whether I'm allowed to do this BEFORE I do it tomorrow!! Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16634 Re: TD in Print j.gordon Mon 5/24/1999 2 KB 16635 Re: TD in Print Keith Richie Mon 5/24/1999 2 KB 16636 Re: TD in Print KMu9978842@xxx.xxx Mon 5/24/1999 1 KB 16637 Re: TD in Print koulos Mon 5/24/1999 1 KB 16639 Re: TD in Print Marcelo Gutierrez Tue 5/25/1999 1 KB 16640 Re: TD in Print yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx Tue 5/25/1999 2 KB 16641 Re: TD in Print cosmos Tue 5/25/1999 2 KB 16657 Re: TD in Print Joe Shoults Thu 5/27/1999 1 KB 16664 Re: TD in Print Joe Shoults Fri 5/28/1999 1 KB From: 'j.gordon' > The magazine is now defunct, I believe (Electronic and Musicmaker), so I > assume I could scan them and post them out on the Tadream list if anyone is > interested? There's also a complete transciption of Choronzon if anyone > wants to know how to play it! > j.gordon here... Hi, Anil... I would definitely be interested, esp. in the transcription... though I cannot say if it is okay oder nicht... > What would be the best format to save the file as? bitmap? jpeg? jpeg would be much better than bmp... > > I hope someone will tell me whether I'm allowed to do this BEFORE I do it > tomorrow!! ciao! j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From: Keith Richie I've got a couple of TD articles from about 1982 where the band give very in depth interviews (I think only Froese and Franke give their insights) and discuss their music and ideas about the (then) explosion in new technology. The magazine is now defunct, I believe (Electronic and Musicmaker), so I assume I could scan them and post them out on the Tadream list if anyone is interested? There's also a complete transciption of Choronzon if anyone wants to know how to play it! What would be the best format to save the file as? bitmap? jpeg? I hope someone will tell me whether I'm allowed to do this BEFORE I do it tomorrow!! Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Campaign 2000 is here! http://www.onelist.com Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. See our homepage. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: KMu9978842@xxx.xxx Date: Mon May 24, 1999 7:45 pm Subject: Re: TD in Print You could also email me a copy please. Kelvin From: 'koulos' To: From: PENFOLD Mount Shasta is the biggest >Buddhist Temple in the west (California) hate to pick a nit on this one but the largest Buddhist Temple in the Western Hemisphere is the Hsi Lai temple located in Hacienda Heights CA (where I live) it's been visited by the Dalai Lama and also the site of an infamous $5000 cash donation (later returned) to VP Al Gore and the Democratic Party (ob TD below) Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. From: Marcelo Gutierrez I hope someone will tell me whether I'm allowed to do this BEFORE I do it > tomorrow!! > > Regards Anil > Are you serious? If this list is so paranoid about posting an officially published article, may be is time time to unsubscribe! Please tell me it isn't so! Marcelo From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Tue May 25, 1999 10:29 am Subject: Re: TD in Print Greetings everyone Could you count me for these articles ? Thanks Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... ---------- > De : koulos > A : tadream@o... > Objet : Re: [tadream] TD in Print > Date : lundi 24 mai 1999 22:14 > > From: 'koulos' > > i would like a copy too > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > To: > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Having difficulty getting 'in synch' with list members? > http://www.onelist.com > Try ONElist's Shared Calendar to organize events, meetings and more! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: cosmos I've got a couple of TD articles from about 1982 where the band give very in >depth interviews (I think only Froese and Franke give their insights) and >discuss their music and ideas about the (then) explosion in new technology. > >The magazine is now defunct, I believe (Electronic and Musicmaker), so I >assume I could scan them and post them out on the Tadream list if anyone is >interested? There's also a complete transciption of Choronzon if anyone >wants to know how to play it! > >What would be the best format to save the file as? bitmap? jpeg? > >I hope someone will tell me whether I'm allowed to do this BEFORE I do it >tomorrow!! > hello anil yes i would be interested. but don't mail it to the list as that's not allowed. better to put it on a webpage and mail a link to it here. because digest readers can't open this probably and it would become too big. andre From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Tue May 25, 1999 11:57 am Subject: TD CD's Lost in Music, here in Glasgow, Scotland, is doing it's very best to get hold of lots of rare TD CDs. It takes him a little time but he usually gets hold of most TD music. Give him a ring on 0141 339 8155 and see if he can help you. He's got Sohoman on order now ( but the first two copies are the owners and mine, so watch it!!) Oh, by the way, I tried to send the TD interview to the list but it bounced back as the files were too big (oops). So if you want the interview and Choronzon transcription email me directly and I'll send it directly to you. Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20060 TD CD's pergamon@xxxxxxx.xx Thu 12/30/1999 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Plumer, Scott' From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Tue May 25, 1999 1:40 pm Subject: Landmarks J.Gordan has made some very interesting observations in his last post. Do you think these changes in style are concious or otherwise? I believe that the different milestones in TD's music has a lot more to do with the way the technology has developed. Let me try and qualify this with examples off the top of my head: 1. Early TD had repeating sequence loops because the tone and duration of each note was fixed by a dial and so changing key or the pattern was difficult eg Phaedra and Rubycon. 2. Then came the dedicated sequencer where each event had its own timbre, timing data and pitch and could thus allow for changes in the sequence which were pre-programmed eg milestone recording = Tangram 3. Then sampling became feasible allowing better drum sounds and very short vocal type effects eg. milestone recording = White Eagle or Poland 4. Digital synths appear with there ability to produce very percussive, sparkly clean sounds. Less use of string pad type sounds. eg Milestone recording = Hyperborea (which must have virtually all be done on the DX7?) and the 1986 Tour- Digitalville! 5. Software sequencing allowed the orchestration of large amounts of music. Pieces of music could be played with little intervention of the musicians and old analogue sounds could be sampled and used again without worrying about tuning stability or midi compatibilty eg. milestone recording = Livemiles 6. Franke goes and TD changes almost overnight. Introduction of more guitar and acoustic instruments occurs, Shorter pieces of more defined mood and duartion. Everything is a little 'slicker' sounding eg. Underwater Sunlight or Optical Race, Lily on the Beach 7. PC based sequencing improves but we don't benefit from this: the musicians benefit since writing music and arranging it becomes much easier for them. This type of composing produces thick layered music with ever space filled with sound eg. Everything since about Rockoon. So I think it's the technology that pushed TDs inevitable evolution. It'll take something quite drastic to shake TD into a new direction but it will happen. Maybe it'll get them out of their 'Muzak' tendencies? Perhaps Edgars promised retirement will be the impetous for change? One last obseravtion. Does anyone agree with me when I say TDs music is very 'serious'? It has no humour to it and is very sombre and the individual members themselves seem to take themselves very seriously too. Other composers seem to be able to combine lots of different emotions into their music. I'll cite Steve Vai here (since I know his stuff well and he's not mainstream rather like TD) who has pieces of music about the profound nature of the diety to being naughty in the classroom!!! But TD are serious. This isn't a critisim just an obseravtion! Warm Regards Anil PS. Paul Stump is still irritating me, but I can't stop reading his book! Perhaps I should ceremonially burn it? I'd like to slap him anyway! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16648 Re: Landmarks Steven Le Vine Wed 5/26/1999 2 KB 16654 Re: Landmarks Hassinen Ami Wed 5/26/1999 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' J.Gordan has made some very interesting observations in his last post. Do > you think these changes in style are concious or otherwise? I think that they have to be concious... > > I believe that the different milestones in TD's music has a lot more to do > with the way the technology has developed. I think this is a part of it as well... Anil, you've done a great job of pointing out the techie aspect of their metamorphosis... and they all feel right one... In addition, and closer to the heart, I think that the milestone piece that we see in OR and what I'm suggesting is coming again in 'Siberia is something that ultimately is more profound for the aritists as well as the listeners... it means a change in the thinking and creating of the artists... They are electronic musicians and naturally must change with the nature of their instruments and the supporting equipment... but how they choose to use that equipment is what defines them, makes them TD... this is the big change that we see between LiveMiles and OR... (and I think are seeing again in 'Siberia)... It has to do with how the artists are approaching their art, their craft, their equipment... for example, though they had albums comprised of short pieces (Le Parc) they still came out with epic pieces (Live Miles)... and the sound quality changed gradually... Then we stumble on OR and nothing gets longer than 10 minutes for the most part... (220Volt doesn't count... songs and bridges... and Quinoa)... but the style, the feel of the albums is 'slick' as you put it, a whole new feel that, I don't think, can be equated totally with technology... I think Ed and Co. are making other desicions based on desire, drive, technology and their muses... There we go... Anil, you did a much better job of covering the techno aspect, and one which I'd neglected... thanks... now back to you on 'Another Perpective j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Tue May 25, 1999 4:20 pm Subject: Guilty! You've reminded me of something J. Gordan (terribly formal aren't I? I even assumed you are male before! How un-pc of me!). When I read my first TD interview and biog. I was surprised that they came across as artists first, and never said an awful lot about the technology. I made the incorrect assumption that they must be 'tech-heads' in order to compose the way they do on the horribly user unfriendly instruments they used (Moog Modular System- Nightmare!!). I forgot about artistic leanings (because I'm a sciencey person?) and because when I make a feable effort at composing I think about the technology first. Only then do I then think of the music but even this is done in a systematic 'scientific' way: ie. 'I want this piece to be slightly sad sounding but not too much so a dorian chord progression will produce this effect and use dorian and phrygian or maybe aeolian scales over it because they fit, but I want a surprise in the middle so I'll go to a lydian passage to give it a bit of 'hopeful, mystical' feel....etc' You get my meaning? It's premeditated. I think that's what TD are like now - premeditated but not necessarily predictable. Another thing, I'm sure i read a Franke interview, somewhere, in which he stated that TD have huge rooms full of music that they pull off the shelf and use for soundtracks! He sort of implied that there back catalogue is so big that they have pre-recorded pieces to fit all moods in any film!! This may explain why I'm not keen on their soundtracks. They always sound fragmented and out of context (which they are i suppose). So in my book TD soundtracks are at the bottom of the list (I never buy them now unless they are composed specially for a film in which the music is part of the experience eg Oasis or Canyon Dreams), studio albums are in the middle and their excellent live CDs are at the top! TD live can do no wrong! Anyway, thanks for making me see that TD are artists first and technicians second! Warm Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16649 Re: Guilty! PNaunton@xxx.xxx Wed 5/26/1999 1 KB 16650 Re: Guilty! j.gordon Wed 5/26/1999 1 KB From: 'Steven Le Vine' > J.Gordan has made some very interesting observations in his last post. Do > you think these changes in style are concious or otherwise? > > I believe that the different milestones in TD's music has a lot more to do > with the way the technology has developed. > > One last obseravtion. Does anyone agree with me when I say TDs music is very > 'serious'? It has no humour to it and is very sombre . >I'll cite Steve Vai From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Wed May 26, 1999 4:35 am Subject: Re: Guilty! In a message dated 25-05-1999 11:20:52 AM EST, 9148621s@u... writes: << i read a Franke interview, somewhere, in which he stated that TD have huge rooms full of music that they pull off the shelf and use for soundtracks! He sort of implied that there back catalogue is so big that they have pre-recorded pieces to fit all moods in any film!! >> This could very well relate to 'Transsiberia,' since some of these ideas seem a bit dated in comparison to 'Valentines Wheels', and there is alot of old tunes here, too. Are all the compositions in machine code files so they can be spit out of new functional instrumentation? They are definitely updated, but they have the soul of old. Phil N. From: 'j.gordon' They are > definitely updated, but they have the soul of old. Phil, very nicely put... 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Hassinen Ami' PS. Paul Stump is still irritating me, but I can't stop reading his book! >Perhaps I should ceremonially burn it? I'd like to slap him anyway! Hello Anil and others! It reads 'a critical discography' on the cover ;-) It is not a fan product to be embraced by the other fans, it is a critical view of TD´s role in modern music as a whole. And I too disagree with PS with some of the details but he has got the bottom lines right...did we like it or not. TD is what it is because of their pioneering work in the 70s and to a lesser extent what they did in the in the early 80s (especially the soundtrack work). All their other output may be of great value for individual people (that´s us) but have no real trendsetting impact on the history of music at all IMHO. Sorry if I upset someone with that but one needs to face the reality once in a while... And don´t get me wrong. TD is IMO one of the greatest bands ever. But just one of them...and certainly not all the time ;-) cheers, Ami From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Wed May 26, 1999 1:46 pm Subject: Paul Stump! A Reply to Ami I see what you're saying about Stump and his book, Ami. But I thought 'Critical Discography' meant he was going to 'critique' rather than 'critise'. There's a subtle difference between the two words that even Stumpy himself has failed to adhere to. It just seems odd that Stump would write a book, which is damn hard work (I'm doing so now, so I know!!) about a subject that he clearly doesn't think much of. He's clearly derranged and his opinions are narrow minded to say the least! For example, he critises TD use of sampling saying it's boring and unimaginative especially compared to what Trevor Horn was doing at the same time!! Trevor Horn?! Frankie Goes to Mediocre Hollywood Horn!? Horns use of sampling was of the 'N,n,n,n,nineteen' variety ie. basic and obvious. TD were subtle with their sampling techniques rather than garish and obscene. Stumps use of the wonderful English language was also annoying. Any language should be use to get ideas across to everyone regardless of their educational background. Stump has obviously studied the social sciences, at sometime, judging by the way he alienates anyone who isn't familiar with social science jargon. How unfair. I suspect he used this type of language to hide his poor understanding of TD and his own inadequate writing skills. What Stump was trying to do was write a learned dispostion and ended up annoying ME! What really, really annoys me is that a friend bought me another copy of Stumps drival not knowing I already had it, and I had to pretend I was overjoyed with it! That was hard and cruel. I am a bitter man! Reagrds Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16658 Re: Paul Stump! A Reply to Ami Hassinen Ami Thu 5/27/1999 4 KB 16659 Re: Paul Stump! A Reply to Ami Gabe Yedid Thu 5/27/1999 1 KB From: 'de Kruis, Hans SNV-MCF/9' > Someone between Rotterdam and the German border is of course also ok. > > Let me know and we can make an appointment. Thanks. > >>j.gordon here... > hey, hans, > you don't happen to want to swing down a little further and I'd be happy > to > ride with you... say around Zurich... :) > or is that a little too far... :) > If so, I'll just see you there, eh? > j.gordon...>> > Sorry, Zurich is a bit too far for me. 300 km is enough for me. And I have to go back on the same day, will be a short night, I fear. So, meet you all at klangart. greetings, Hans From: 'Joe Shoults' From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > > I've got a couple of TD articles from about 1982 where the band ... > The magazine is now defunct, I believe (Electronic and Musicmaker), so I > assume I could scan them and post them out on the Tadream list if > anyone is > interested? There's also a complete transciption of Choronzon if anyone Sorry- I've been in class the last several days and not able to tune in, but if you e-mail them to me, I'll post them on the tadream website. I am reading this before I am reading the rest, so there may have been more responses. i'm a little behind... I may be able to catch up later tonight... -joe From: 'Hassinen Ami' It just seems odd that Stump would write a book, which is damn hard work >(I'm doing so now, so I know!!) about a subject that he clearly doesn't >think much of. He's clearly derranged and his opinions are narrow minded to >say the least! Hmm...perhaps he tries to prove too much that he has some distance to 'synth anorak ghetto' (is that us? ;-). But all in all, I feel that his basic statements on the importance of TDs landmark recordings are well thought out. A part of his problem IMO is that he chooses to review some of the latter recordings track by track. Using that method he can´t avoid slagging off somebody´s favourites here and there. >For example, he critises TD use of sampling saying it's boring and >unimaginative especially compared to what Trevor Horn was doing at the same >time!! Trevor Horn?! Frankie Goes to Mediocre Hollywood Horn!? Horns use >of sampling was of the 'N,n,n,n,nineteen' variety ie. basic and obvious. TD >were subtle with their sampling techniques rather than garish and obscene. This is one of the thing I agree with you completely. Stump sometimes succeeds in finding some extremely banal parallels to some TD elements. But TD wasn´t the only one pioneering subtle uses of sampling those days: for example, remember Jarre´s 'Magnetic Fields'? Yello´s earlier works also featured some totally excellent usage of a Fairlight sampler (well, they used it garishly too, but wasn´t that their thing, after all? ;-) >Stumps use of the wonderful English language was also annoying. Any >language should be use to get ideas across to everyone regardless of their >educational background. Agreed. He really overdoes the language bit...perhaps 'elitist' is the word? >What Stump was trying to do was write a learned dispostion and ended up >annoying ME! I can understand that. My comments about the matter were partly triggered also by the many previous comments here (on the old list, to be precise) on the book. I felt that people feel insulted because their favourite albums/tracks were not liked, but wanted not to see the 'big story' behind the details. Personally, I liked Stump´s book despite all its faults, because it is objectively written for a book about a 'pop group'. It would be unfair to expect anyone write a serious book about a band that has an active history of more than 30 years, where everything would be praised and adored. There is no such band that would be the subject for such a book. Hey, all my favourite groups have been crap at some point of their careers! Hawkwind hasn´t made a decent album since 'Business Trip'...erm...Ozrics are stuck in a rut big time now...luckily CAN split up in the seventies...but then, they managed to make some crap music right before that...do I need to mention Floyd ;-) ????...list would go on and on and on... TD has made perhaps more great albums than those I listed combined! >What really, really annoys me is that a friend bought me another copy of >Stumps drival not knowing I already had it, and I had to pretend I was >overjoyed with it! That was hard and cruel. I am a bitter man! Hahaha...it´s a cruel world ;-) best regards, Ami np: TD in Bristol 1975 From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Hassinen Ami' > example, remember Jarre´s 'Magnetic Fields'? Yello´s earlier works also > featured some totally excellent usage of a Fairlight sampler (well, they > used it garishly too, but wasn´t that their thing, after all? ;-) Ohhhhhh yeahhhhhhh. ;) Gabe From: 'j.gordon' > example, remember Jarre´s 'Magnetic Fields'? Yello´s earlier works also > > featured some totally excellent usage of a Fairlight sampler (well, they > > used it garishly too, but wasn´t that their thing, after all? ;-) > > Ohhhhhh yeahhhhhhh. ;) > j.gordon here... I say, tell it, Brother Domingo... 'Dr. Van Steiner, we're sorry we're unable to attend this momentous occasion...' j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'James Horecka, AIA' _________________________________________ ************Sonic Images Records********** __________________________________________ ________________________________________ B5 - The River Of Souls - Signature CD ________________________________________ The new Babylon 5 CD 'The River of Souls' is now also available as a Signature CDs. The CD cover is signed by composer Christopher Franke and Babylon 5 creator J.M. Straczynski. The same rules apply: The CDs are available at a cost of $50 plus shipping and handling. The 200 numbered CDs and available only through the Sonic Images web site. There is a limit of two CDs of each Signature CD. First come, first serve. If you missed JMS's signature on the 'Sleeping in Light' CD, here is your chance http://sonicimages.com/b5/specials/ Still available are the following 'Sleeping in Light' Signature CDs * SIL: signed by Christopher Franke and Mira Furlan 'Delenn' * SIL: signed by Christopher Franke and Peter Jurasik 'Londo' * SIL: signed by Christopher Franke and Claudia Christian 'Ivanova' * SIL: igned by Christopher Franke and Jerry Doyle 'Garibaldi' ________________________________________ B5 - The Crusade ________________________________________ You might have heard the rumor about a possible soundtrack release of the Babylon 5 spin-off series 'The Crusade'. Now it's official. Sonic Images will release the soundtrack later this year. It will have the music of composer Evan Chen, which he composed for the Pilot and the 13 episodes. We'll keep you posted. James E. Horecka, AIA ARCHITECT From: 'Jens Peschke' From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > Anyone else here a synth anorak? Anoraknophobia, anyone ? Go to onelist and sign up Grant Middleton's gearhead@o... list - there are quite a few experts on this list ! Best Regards Jens From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'Plumer, Scott' > I don't know if we have a FAQ for this list, but that might be a good > addition to it if we did. I just created a FAQ page. Now all we need is content. Post post Q&As to the list, and I will put them on the FAQ. -joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16666 Re: TD FAQ at tadream website Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 5/29/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' From: Steve Jenkins >Pergamon - Live at the Palast der Republik<< GDR'. It was completely re-mixed and re-mastered from the original concert tapes. There are numerous similarities to the bootleg, but it's a different recording due to Edgar and company fooling around in their studio. The two tracks on Pergamon, 'Quichotte Part I and Part II,' of course, further link the two albums. Staatsgrenze West contains material from the first set of the second show. The material on Quichotte and Pergamon is based on the second set of the second show. The differences between Quichotte and Pergamon are very minor; the last few minutes on Pergamon are a bit different from the music on Quichotte. Quichotte part 1 starts off with a piano solo, played by Johannes. This solo has been slightly edited, because of 'bum notes' and some crackles on stage (you can hear the complete version on the fan tape). The second part of the piano solo contains an additional synth-line, playing along with the piano, this line has been edited later on in the studio. The rest of Quichotte part 1 is identical to the material played in concert. A lot of it is based on Tangram part 2, on which TD was working when the go ahead for the East-Berlin gigs came on short notice. Quichotte part 2 is a continuation of part 1, but after about 3:30 minutes, a sequencer line comes in and this 'studio' part runs until the last few minutes, where the conclusion of the second set (second concert) ends Quichotte part 2. The original guitar solo that Edgar performed was more like a 1977-styled solo, with a not very complicated sequence line. The studio solo on Quichotte and Pergamon is accompanied by a digital ( brighter) sequencer and, for the first time, digital drums programmed by Chris Franke. Fans have listened *very* carefully to all recordings, including White Cloths, and the consensus is  that ALL the material is from one and the same concert. There is a set of tapes that purports to cover BOTH shows: the 'White Cloths' 2 Cassette set,  released in a nice box in 1993. This limited edition of 25 copies includes the following tracks (excerpt from the box-sheet): Tape 1 : White cloths, Part I 41:28 White cloths, Part II 45:53 Tape 1 is from the evening show, Part 1 is first set, Part 2 is second set. Tape 2 : White cloths, Part III 46:11  is billed as the  afternoon concert   but appears to be a fake. It's a transfer from Quichotte/Pergamon. White cloths, Part IV 12:24 White cloths, Part V 30:21 Part 4 is the encore from the evening show Part 5 is the interview. It is understandable that some fans get very confused, because there's a tape floating around with the encore cut off by a German DJ, who says something (in German like : 'You've just heard the first part of TD's concert at....'.   This is NOT from the Afternoon Concert, but from the Evening Concert. 21.2) What music appears on which album? PALAST DER REPUBLIK 31 JANUARY 1980 (ex-Berlin East, ex-RDA) AFTERNOON SHOW (16:00) EVENING SHOW (20:00) 1st Set - Quichotte Pergamon Don Quixotte White Cloths (Part I) White Cloths (Part III) 1st Set - Bergama (Set 1) Jan. 31, '80@P... Eve. Show (Set 1) 2nd Set - White Cloths (Part II) Staatsgrenze West 2nd Set - Bergama (Set 2) Jan. 31, '80@P... Eve. Show (Set 2) Encore - White Cloths (Part IV) Above Purple Fears (track 1) A Sea of Dreams (CD 3 track 6) The Real Dream Encores (CD 2 track 1) Bergama 21.2 What about the afternoon show - was that broadcast too and is there a tape of it? Now, if you think about it, it is next to IMPOSSIBLE that an FM version of the afternoon concert exists!!!!  How likely do you think it is for a radio station to broadcast *both* shows on the radio????   Especially with the two concerts probably being similar. Remember this is not college radio like in the US, but the large and only pop/rock music radio station of the former German Democratic Republic. *IF* there really is a tape of the afternoon show, it has to be an AUDIENCE recording. Which again is also a bit of an unlikely thing, considering the technology available to the average East-German citizens (and its prices), but not a total impossibility. Nevertheless   *all* tape copies so far have indeed turned out to be versions of the same evening show. There is a chance the radio station (called 'Jugendradio DT64') actually recorded the afternoon show as a soundcheck for the evening broadcast and may have it on tape in their archives, but again, it was in all likelihood NOT broadcast. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 22) Subject: Kaleidoscope - a new TD album ? A band called Kaleidoscope released an album titled Tangerine Dream in 1967. It is not a Tangerine Dream release. The title may be coincidental or inspirational - there is little evidence to tell which came first, Kaleidoscope's TD album or the TD band formed by Edgar Froese Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 23) Subject: Thief Tracks The extra track on the Thief LP is by Craig Safan (the same person who did the TV show 'Cheers' theme song). It's a standard movie action theme, It is unknown who performed the music on this release. The LP only lists TD as performers. The Virgin LP and CD releases are identical. The Elektra LP version is NOT identical to the Virgin CD release. The Elektra LP version DOES contain the 'Confrontation' track written by Craig Safan. The Elektra LP version is MISSING the 'Beach Scene' track. You can easily notice the differences between the two LPs on side two: The track dimensions (as you look at the vinyl) are different. The 'Confrontation' track is wide compared to the last track on the Virgin version, 'Igneous.' Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 24) Subject: The Keep on Tsunami records - is it the real thing ? This version of The Keep soundtrack is *not* by Tangerine Dream but a group called 'the Fantasy Merchants'. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 25) Subject: Where was Encore recorded ? The version of 'Monolight' on 'Encore' was absolutely, unequivocally recorded at Washington D.C. Lisner Auditorium April 4, 1977. The announcer is Leo del Aguila (aka Prof. Mota) from WGTB-FM (may it RIP). The radio broadcast version of this track is completely identical to the version released on 'Encore' except for a few barely-perceptible alterations to the mix. The Seattle version is not the same. Some variant of the track 'Cherokee Lane' on 'Encore' was played live at most '77 shows, but the exact version on 'Encore' doesn't appear on any known live tapes. The introduction on the album is taken from the Lisner Auditorium show. Indeed, the entire track might have been pieced together from several versions, re-recorded, or simply played at a show for which no circulating live tape exists, although it is more likely it was spliced together from the best bits of several performances with studio overdubs. Edgar claimed in an interview that 'Coldwater Canyon' was only played once live, during the short summer tour (which ended after four shows). It doesn't appear on the L.A. July 1977 tape, so if what Edgar says is true, it must have been played at San Diego, Boulder, or Tucson. However in an interview, the interviewer addressed the fact that 'Desert Dream' is quite different from the sequenced stuff that TD was doing during that period, and Chris Franke said that 'Desert Dream' was composed of a few various live bits plus some of the music from 'Oedipus Tyrannus', making it basically a studio construct. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 26) Subject: What soundtracks did TD actually do and what was lifted from other albums? A number of people have been wondering and speculating on a variety of sdtks. that the band has done. As regards the questions about the differences between the film and release versions, the answer is that the band reworks the material from the film(s) for general release. This is done for a number of reasons, the best of which is that often the film cues are very short and may only use a few instrument sounds, so the band has always felt that to give the fan their money's worth, they would rework the themes into proper songs. The best evidence of this can be found with the music from _Risky Business_. Those of us who have the _Risky Business Audio Movie Kit_ can do an A-B comparison between the 2nd and 3rd LP's to illustrate the differences in the material. Side 4 (on LP 2) had the music cues as used in the film. The 3rd LP was the general release version of the sdtk. There are _vast_ differences between the two! Besides the unissued cues, check out the film versions of 'Love on a Real Train', 'Guido the Killer Pimp' and 'No Future...' Supporting evidence of this can also be found in the Silva Screen issues. With the exception of _Heartbreakers_, the sdtks. they have released have been from the film versions (although some of _Dead Solid Perfect_ was from studio reworkings, as evidenced by the Edgar Froese production credit, even though he later pulled out of the final release), with the resulting variations in sound (and music) quality in full display. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 27) Subject: What are the origins of the many OSTs ? If you have access to fantapes, especially between the '80-'83 period, you'll discover not only the thematic origins of many pieces, but also where a good chunk of movie music material the band has done comes from. Now, this isn't to say that the band doesn't score movies from scratch (_Legend_, most of_Thief_, any movie after '87 springs to mind), and it isn't meant to imply a lack of originality. There is always something uniquely original to any of their filmscores. _Risky Business_ and _Wavelength_ are perfect examples of this sort of juxtaposition. Both had original themes and cues ('The Dream Is Always The Same', 'Love On A Real Train' [_RB_], and 'Wavelength Main Title', Mojave End Title ', 'Airshaft', 'Alleywalk' and 'Campfire Theme' [W]), and just as much, if not more, 'recycled' material. In _RB_ we get to hear _Tangram_, _Force Majure_ and _Exit_ excerpts, as well as a tiny bit of 'Sobornost', a theme from the '81 Europe tour that Edgar once performed on a TV show (not part of the sdtk., but it is on the _...Kit_ . In _Wavelength_, we hear _Exit_ and _Tangram_ again, _Quichotte_ ('Desert Drive' and 'Spaceship') and the first official appearance of 'Silver Scales', although only the intro ('Church Theme'-which came from the Winter '81-'82 World Tour) There was also lots of 'cross pollination' of filmmusic, i.e. themes and cues appearing in more than one film, with too many examples to list! And remember, the sdtks. for both _The Keep_ and _The Soldier_ contain large amounts of material from _Logos _ and _Poland_ ! Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 28) Subject: Which OSTs and TV Soundtracks have TD scored ? 1969 - Undinade (TV) 1971 - Geradeaus Bis Zum Morgen (TV), Vampira (TV) 1973 - Ein Fur Alle Mal (TV) 1974 - Oedipus Tyrannus (Theatre) 1976 - Signale aus der Schwaebische Strasse (TV) (This is where the famous 18th century costume shots come from) 1977 - Sorcerer, Pauline et L'Ordinateur (TV) 1978 - Kneuss 1979 - Das Verbotene Spiel (TV)    Scored only by Edgar Froese, not by TD. 1981 - Strange Behaviour, Thief, Brandmale (TV), Im Regen Nach Amerika (TV) 1982 - The Soldier, Kamikaze 1989 (TV), Tatort: Das Maechden auf der Treppe  (Kamikaze 1989 was scored by Edgar Froese). (TV), Tempo 82 (TV), Identification of a Woman, 1983 - The Keep, Risky Business, Spasms, Wavelength, Tatort: Miriam (TV) 1984 - Firestarter, Flashpoint, Street Hawk (TV), Tatort: Heisser Schnee (TV) 1985 - Heartbreakers, Vision Quest, Forbidden (TV), The Park Is Mine (TV) 1986 - Legend, Red Heat 1987 - City of Shadows, Near Dark, Red Nights, Shy People, Three O'Clock High, Zoning, Canyon Dreams (Video), Deadly Care (TV), Tonight's the Night 1988 - Body Body (TV) 1989 - Catch Me If You Can, Miracle Mile, Dead Solid Perfect (TV), Destination Berlin (Cinema 360) 1990 - The Man Inside, Rainbow Drive (TV), Rumpelstiltskin (TV) 1992 - The Switch (TV) 1997 Oasis (Video) 1998 Luminous Visions (Video) Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 29) Subject: Where did the tracks on Hollywood Years 1 and 2 originate from ? Hollywood Years 1 and 2 were released in 1998, with no indication from the band as to which Films or OSTs the music came from. The members of the Tadream list have attempted to guess where the music originates and this is detailed below. It does not have any *official* validity, and you may agree or disagree with the information. Hollywood Years Vol. 1: #3: 'Goldhunter' contains the Swamp-Hag theme from LEGEND, though highly Tangentized. The Tangentizing is actually borrowed from the Dream Dice bonus disk track 3: 'craving for cardomon' #4: 'Law Paradiso' is actually 'One Fine Day in Siberia' from Edgar Froese's _Beyond The Storm_. #5: 'La petite rue noir'--rather Near Dark-ish #6: 'Propeller Beach'--The Park Is Mine #7: 'Autumn In Sonoma'-- Is this a snippet of the Sountrack for Skyscrapers maybe? #8: 'Chamber of Hope'--might be a Man Inside leftover #9: 'The Quiet Gambler'--similar to one of the Zoning tracks... #10:'The Principle Source'--sounds rather 85-86ish, circa Le Parc. #11: 'Labeo' definitely sounds like it would have been a leftover from _Thief_: nice long sequencer track, dark mood, etc. #12: 'Escape from Shadowland'--Makes me think it was a rejected early version of 'Mothers of Rain'. #13: 'Chronos Mile--believe it or not, it seems to me it's actually structured rather like the '80s renditions of 'Silver Scale' Hollywood Years Vol. 2: #1: 'South Camora' is actually Walkabout from Edgar Froese's _Pinnacles_. It is also similar to a track from Logostypes (boot), as well as #8: 'Sign in the Dark' from _The Keep_ special edition (TDI). #2 Similar to Heartbreakers #3: 'Midas Touch' is similar to 'Dolphin Dance' (UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT) and 'Investigation' (from THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack; check the track at the 1:19 mark and the 2:18 mark). Also some resemblence to Canyon Dreams. #4: 'City Monk' is the exact same track as 'Ulan Ude' (Transsiberia, #7). Similar sounds to Shy People/Deadly Care #5: Similar to _Rockoon_. #6: 'Cool Ma Bell' sounds incredibly close to 'The Fight is On' from _3 O'CLOCK HIGH_, but that song is credited to Sylvester Levay (though that might be a misprint...). Also similar to_Near Dark_. #7 Similar to Heartbreakers #8 Similar to Firestarter / Red Nights #9: 'Token from Birdland' also appears on _Ambient Monkeys_ . #11 Similar to Canyon Dreams/Shy People #12 Similar to 220 Volt #13: 'Riding the Lizard Overland' is from the soundtrack of Red Heat (unreleased). It also sounds a lot like 'Tiergarten' from _Le Parc_ Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 30) Subject: What were the most popular TD albums The debate about which is the most popular album is one that will always rage on. It is a matter of personal taste to many TD fans. Objectively, the following observations can be made: As of 1985 (which is when Joel Whitburn's book 'Top Pop Albums' was published), there were 6 TD albums which had made Billboard's Top 200 chart. The winner is 'Thief', which reached #115 and was on the chart 10weeks. The others, in descending order: Sorceror, #153, 6 weeks Stratosfear, #158, 7 weeks Encore, #178, 2 weeks Exit, #195, 2 weeks Phaedra, #196, 2 weeks Phaedra reached No. 15 in the UK Gallup charts. TD have never had an album in the UK Top Ten - in fact, they hold the record for the most 'hit' albums (ie Top 100) without a single Top Ten hit! (with 17) Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 31) Subject: What is that sound at the beginning and end of the Livemiles West-Berlin Concert? It was cold (8C) and drizzling, but there was no thunderstorm as some had thought .The noise could be from the fireworks afterwards, or just mixed in from anywhere. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 32) Subject: Did TD music get played at the start of the 1996 Olympic Games ? Yes. The 'Warsaw In the Sun' sequence from 'Barbakane' was played when the first few countries came out and after Barbakane they played Le Parc. They repeated the same tracks at least 3 times in a loop. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 33) Which tracks appeared on both Traumzeit and Electronic Orgy boots? 15 tracks Alpha -Traumzeit and also on Electronic Orgy >7. Octahedron II (4:05) - Octahedron Sampler >8. Roaring of the Bliss (4:58) - Private TD music >9. Machiko (2:46) - Korg Sampler CD >10. Quazar (3:43) - Italian CDI >11. A Time for Heroes (6:02) - Extended CD-single version >12. House of the Rising Sun (4:32) - Secret gig encore 1988 >13. Horns of Doom (5:41) - KLEM anniversary cassette >14. Warsaw in the Sun (4:45) - 12' >15. The Dream is always the Same (0:30)- Film quote Tom Cruise Beta-Traumzeit and also on Electronic Orgy >10. Speed (2:29) - Tatort OST 12' >11. Lost Tale (3:27) - KLEM CD >12. Beaver Town (4:26) - Private TD music 1992 >13. Dolphin Dance (4:57) - Dolphin Dance 12' >14. Unicorn Theme (7:02) - LEGEND WDR Radio 23.2.89 >15. Prologue & Conversation (1:44) - LEGEND Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 34) Where can I get a complete concert listing ? Scott Plumer's book, Mysterious Semblance has a chronological listing (see #15). There are also some incomplete listings on personal webpages (see #29) Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 35) Where is there a TD cover image gallery ? Apart from the band's own site, several fans have collections of bootleg artwork. See #38 Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 36) Subject: Acronymns and jargon for the newbie - what do they mean ? Tangentizing - remixing a 'classic' piece of older music by playing chords and other sounds over top of the existing material (not actually remixing or recreating the original Usually used with a negative conotation OST - Orginal Soundtrack EF - Edgar Froese JF - Jerome Froese CF - Chris Franke HWY - Hollywood Years ToTT - Turn of The Tides ToB - Tyranny of Beauty DoLP - Double LP EM - Electronic Music Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 37) Subject: Official Web Resources The official Tangerine Dream web homepage: http://www.tadream.de (contains lots of links to other sites, 100+ questions & answers.) The official Klaus Schulze web homepage:  http://www.klaus-schulze.com/welcome.htm The official Christopher Franke web homepage : http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/cfhome.html The official Johannes Schmoelling homepage http://members.tripod.de/Theta/html/index.htm The official Paul Haslinger home page  http://www.haslinger.com The unofficial Paul Haslinger home page http://www.netfront.fr/music/PaulHaslinger RGB Records home page  http://rgbrecords.com Miramar home page  http://www.uspan.com/miramar/miramar.html Sonic Images home page http://www.sonicimages/com Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 38) Subject: Are there any unofficial Web sites for additional information ? Many fans have information (not all up-to-date) on their websites. This varies from collections of cover artwork to lists of bootlegs, concerts, discographies, articles and picture from the bands long history and more. Here is a selection that are generally well researched, maintained and worth a visit. www.online.de/home/tdklaus/ (Klaus Beschorner) home.sn.no/~mmoen/tadream/ (Morton Moen) www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/tadream.htm (Stephan Bischoff) www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5544/tngdrm.html (Scott Miller) www.dtv.dk/privat/pr/music.htm (Peter Ravn) website.lineone.net/~simon.clarke/td.htm (Simon Clarke) idt.net/~torque19/td-trade.htm (Vic Rek) pweb.uunet.de/peschke.h/ (Jens Peschke) perso.wanadoo.fr/pedro.machado/ (Pedro Machado) members.tripod.com/~aztadream/index.html (Shonie de la Rosa) www.lpool.demon.co.uk/steve1.htm (Steve Jenkins) infobase.acomedia.it/nicola/nike.html (Nicola Conti) www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/home.htm (Jupe) www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen/tadream.html (Armin Theissen) www.prima.ruhr.de/home/ruckus/tdream.htm (Torsten Moeller) www.cs.ualberta.ca/~pavel/music/tadream.html (Pawel Jachowicz) http://home.t-online.de/home/rutka/ (Rainer Rutka) http://users.cybercity.dk/~bkb2467/index.htm   (Kenton Files Homepage) Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 39) Subject: What's available on the tadream archive? 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The Tangerine Dream Mailing list is NOT a production of Tadream Productions. Any information provided here does not represent the views of Tadream Productions, Tangerine Dream, or Tangerine Dream Management unless specifically noted. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------------- 41) How old are Edgar and Jerome ? As of 1.2.99, Edgar is 55 and Jerome is 29. On the inner sleeve of the Alpha Centauri / Atem 2LP,  is written: Personnel: Edgar Froese (Gemini dates 4406060930) So he was probably born on 1944, June, 6th at 09:30 AM Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------------------------------   From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' From: 'Joe Shoults' > >> From: 'Plumer, Scott' >> I don't know if we have a FAQ for this list, but that might be a good >> addition to it if we did. > >I just created a FAQ page. Now all we need is content. Post post Q&As to >the list, and I will put them on the FAQ. This list? I thought it was a TD list....the operative word being TD.... So why reinvent the wheel, Joe? There is the original and venerable David Datta FAQ: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5544/faq_july1995.txt ..... and, of course, Steve Jenkins' evolving, but already quite up-to-date site (read: labor of love) v1.35 at: http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdfaq.htm .... and Klaus' updated complete boots list and other very interesting informationn (all files can be D/L-ed in a 205K zipped text file) at: http://www.online.de/home/tdklaus/ If that does not keep y'all busy for a couple of months, you can always visit the TD Official Page and read the '100+ Questions and Answers' at: http://www.tangerinedream.de/qna.html or, by now, the ONElist archives. Enjoy, Andrew From: 'Jared White' From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Plumer, Scott' > Many people on the other list have expressed the opinion that TD simply mime > along to a DAT played in concert. I personally think that's a load of crap. Sorry - but you're wrong as far as their live playing is concerned. Whether they mime to a DAT backing or a digital multitrack recorder is the real question in here. At the Hanover concert in 1997 I was under the impression that they (Jerome for sure) controlled some loop points via midi events from the keyboards. Émil played some bits live which you could tell as he screwed up some parts. > To the musicians on the list, would you be able to look yourself in the > mirror if all you did when playing live was lip-synch to a tape? That's not the point - the point especially in EM is that it's almost impossible to play everything live - depending on how the music is composed/structured and how many musicians are on the stage. I'm not talking about controlling prepared sequences here - mainly about pads/leads and fx. If you're doing Berlin School stuff or Dark Ambient and you have at least 3 musicians on stage it can be done w/o midi/dat/multitrack backing. Ashra's most excellent gig at the 10th KLEMDAG inn 97 was a good example of how it can be done - great show! - main stuff played live.. It is however *impossible* to play the recent TD stuff live on stage w/o a static backing. the stuff's too complexe - but they should - however play all the leads and chords live - IMO. > In short, I think it's more the fault of the equipment than it is anything else. Wrong. It's the fault of composing & creating music without even thinking about presenting parts of it live on stage. Which is not a fault per se - but I'd do different (easier) stuff live then. Best Regards Jens From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Jared White' > > I got the Video Dream Mixes on DVD (very cool, BTW!), and there's a piece on > there that I really like, but I can't find on any regular album -- it's > called Rough Embrace. Does anyone know anything about it and/or if it's on a > live or studio recording? Perhaps it was composed specifically for the Dream > Mixes compilation? Yep. There are 6 tracks especially composed for DM1 - Rough Embrace, Virtually Fields, San Rocco, Change of the Gods and Iowa + Sojus which I like best. Still - they aren't as good as Mind~Flux/Fanger&Kersten - of course! Hope this helps. Jens (EM fan since '79 when I was 13) From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > Can anyone recomend any outstanding Cds from the 90s or for that matter what Yo preacher, I'd recommend DM2 (you do like DM1 (and some dance stuff) - so you most certainly will like DM2 as well - although there's an awful lot of better stuff in that vein out (Sven Vaeth's Harlequin/Van Dyk/Eat Static's first two, any Mind~Flux/the second Underworld...), Oasis (more like 80s TD, actually), 220Volt live (TD doing the American rock format style - it really rocks in parts), Q extended (Q and Voxel UX are quite good the 3rd track is crap (IMO), tho) and the world tour 97 single with a stonking 'White Eagle/Maedchen auf der Treppe' remix (if you are into Dance music that is). I still have one of those on sale (sealed) for 20 DM (about 6-7 quid) - that's what I paid myself. Avoid Zoning and Feckooff erm... Rockoon at any costs not to speak about Jim&Pablo (German narration on top of a few uninspired TD bits and bobs) - the worst TD you can get for your money - all I.M.H.O. Hope this helps Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16672 Re: TD 90s stuff joe shoults Sun 5/30/1999 1 KB 16673 Re: TD 90s stuff Jared White Sun 5/30/1999 2 KB 16674 Re: TD 90s stuff Jens Peschke Sun 5/30/1999 2 KB From: 'joe shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Jens Peschke [mailto:jpeschke@h...] >... > most certainly will like DM2 as well - although there's an awful lot of > better > stuff in that vein out (Sven Vaeth's Harlequin/Van Dyk/Eat Static's first > two, You can listen to some Eat Static here: http://www.broadcast.com/jukebox/Albums/S/ScienceoftheGods_63.stm -joe From: 'Jared White' -----Original Message----- > From: joe shoults [mailto:shoults@s...] > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jens Peschke [mailto:jpeschke@h...] > >... > > most certainly will like DM2 as well - although there's an awful lot of > > better > > stuff in that vein out (Sven Vaeth's Harlequin/Van Dyk/Eat > Static's first > > two, > > You can listen to some Eat Static here: > http://www.broadcast.com/jukebox/Albums/S/ScienceoftheGods_63.stm And Jens thinks this load of crap is better than Dream Mixes??? Who's he trying to kid? Geez.... Regards, Jared P. S. BTW, Joe, thanks for positing this. It was interesting. :) _________________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@s... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.adei.com iReview: http://www.gaeldesign.adei.com/ireview The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.adei.com/gallery Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Jared White' > > > From: joe shoults [mailto:shoults@s...] > > > > > From: Jens Peschke [mailto:jpeschke@h...] > > >... > > > most certainly will like DM2 as well - although there's an awful lot of > > > better > > > stuff in that vein out (Sven Vaeth's Harlequin/Van Dyk/Eat > > Static's first > > > two, > > > > You can listen to some Eat Static here: > > http://www.broadcast.com/jukebox/Albums/S/ScienceoftheGods_63.stm > > And Jens thinks this load of crap is better than Dream Mixes??? Who's he > trying to kid? Geez.... Reread my e-mail - I was referring to the first two Eat Static releases - 'Implant' and 'Abduction', both from '95. 'Science of the Gods' sees ES drifting to Jungle & D&B - and it's pants IMO. However, it might be the case that some of u don't like any ES (an off-shot of Ozric Tentacles, btw) - tastes differ you know. Best Regards Jens From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Mon May 31, 1999 3:23 am Subject: Re: Dream mixes one In a message dated 29-05-1999 5:41:17 PM EST, Carl-Jacqui@k... writes: << Hi folks Preacher here. Added another two CDs to the collection today Dream mixes 1 and Pergamon. not listened to pergamon yet) What am I missing ? >> Not that anyone gives a $#!T, but last night I had this wierd dream. Part of it was about a huge Tangerine Dream Diskography I got for my birthday with color pictures of all the album covers and other information. I opened it up and was horrified to find that the first thirty pages contained stuff I didn't recognize, never heard of and couldn't pronounce. I woke up sweating. The album covers were all stunning, however. Next time I'm in a music store I KNOW I'm going to look for some of these. Wonder if I'll find any. Phil Naunton From: 'j.gordon' opened it up and was horrified to find that the first thirty pages contained > stuff I didn't recognize, never heard of and couldn't pronounce. I woke up > sweating. I've had 'dreams' like this, but it's always awful things like George Michaels had become the lead singer for Tangerine Dream or they've got Barry Manilow doing the piano work... Brrrr! I shudder at the rememberance... I think there was even one where they were only doing Elvis covers, with the rock-a-billy drumming and everything... true anxiety dreams, boys... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' Can anyone recomend any outstanding Cds from the 90s or for that matter what > should I avoid. > Already got ,Goblins , What a Blast and Trassiberia ( hey gotta start > somewhere) Valentines on order. j.gordon... Hey, Carl... A good first pass through the 90s might pick up Melrose, 220 Volt, Tyranny of Beauty and Oasis... (I think some of these have been previously mentioned)... On a second pass... Turn of the Tides, Quinoa, Ambient Monkeys and Tournado... Then if your feeling that you just HAVE to have more... Rockoon, Zoning, and Dream Encores... That's how I'd recommend fleshing (or flushing) out the 90's collection... I prefer Valentine Wheels to Tournado because of the song choices... Good listening... j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Eric Rochon' From: tadream-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx Date: Tue Jun 1, 1999 1:34 am Subject: New Survey Hello, There is a new survey for the tadream community. Best of Survey #4 of 5 covering different periods of TD studio-release albums: 'The Melrose Years' (1988-1990) Please select your single choice of the best album from the Melrose Years. ---- Possible answers are: o Lily on the Beach (studio 1989) o Optical Race (studio 1988) o Miracle Mile (soundtrack 1989) o Melrose (studio 1990) o Catch Me...If You Can (soundtrack 1989) o Destination Berlin (soundtrack 1989) o Dead Solid Perfect (soundtrack 1989) o L'affaire Wallraff (The Man Inside) (soundtrack 1990) To vote, please visit the following web page: http://www.onelist.com/surveycenter/tadream Thanks! tadream Owner Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16794 New Survey tadream-owner@O... Fri 6/11/1999 2 KB From: 'Poulton, Larry' Hello TD'ers, Here's a piece of info for those who wants to know *everything* about TD no matter how small it is: For almost 6-7 years in the mid-80s 'Chimes and chains' was used as the intro music for the popular science program MAGNUS on NRK-TV in Norway. The music fitted perfectly with the logo they had swirling in from the right of the TV screen. I fell in love with that piece without knowing it was TD, then in the mid-90s I got my hands on the Virgin LP box set and re-discovered the track. At that time I was familiar with TD and realised it was the first electronic piece I liked. BTW, does the Virgin box set '70s - 80s' exist as a CD set? Jarre forever! (and TD) Glenn Jean-Michel Jarre Fanclub Norway JMJ Tribute Album @ www.jmjfkn.com JarreArt @ www.itsahit.com/jarreart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Give back to your community through 'Grow to Give.' http://www.ONElist.com See homepage for details. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com _____________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Tue Jun 1, 1999 10:35 am Subject: Re: Magnus > > From: 'Poulton, Larry' > > I am also one of the priviledged owners of the 70-80 LP set(and I bought it > on its release). I think I am right in saying it only ever came out on LP > and Cassette(when you had to mail for the booklet which is EXCELLENT). I > LOVE Chimes and Chains too. You're not the only one. This track is one of the best Franke's. The booklet is a true treasure of pictures lives and others. Good documents. The reworked version of Monolight is one of the discreet unreleased track. A lot of people does'nt know its existence. > > Is the LP set considered a valuable collectors piece? > Yes because of the 4 unreleased tracks and the booklet. A very good piece for trading. > > > From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' > > Hello TD'ers, > > (...) > > BTW, does the Virgin box set '70s - 80s' exist as a CD set? > Unfortunatly there is no offical CD version of this box but there are a lot of CDR copies (some of them include a good reproduction of the booklet). There are some boot CDs and CDRs which includes the unreleased tracks (except Monolight 80) like Mystery Tracks. Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Jun 1, 1999 10:56 am Subject: 70/80 (magnus) j.gordon here... hey, is it possible to get a listing of the tracks on 70-80... I'd be interested in seeing what's on it... Thanks j.gordon === *************************************************** Brought to you by: PWD Publishing, the letters X and T and the number 5. j.gordon =:^1> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'joe shoults' From: 'Poulton, Larry' From: geir.smedsrud@xxxxxxxx.xxx Date: Tue Jun 1, 1999 5:27 pm Subject: TD in intros >From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' >Hello TD'ers, >Here's a piece of info for those who wants to >know *everything* about TD no >matter how small it is: >For almost 6-7 years in the mid-80s 'Chimes and >chains' was used as the >intro music for the popular science program >MAGNUS on NRK-TV in Norway. The >music fitted perfectly with the logo they had >swirling in from the right of >the TV screen. There is also that science program on radio (NRK 1 - Verdt å vite) that uses a TD tune. I always mixes up the track titles, can you help me here, Glenn or Alexander? This radio program has been on air for decades. Geir Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16701 Re: TD in intros JMJ Fanklubb Norge Wed 6/2/1999 2 KB From: 'Jens Peschke' From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) > Unfortunatly there is no offical CD version of this box but there are a lot > of CDR copies (some of them include a good reproduction of the booklet). > There are some boot CDs and CDRs which includes the unreleased tracks > (except Monolight 80) like Mystery Tracks. Yes, but you should mention that the versions on MT are taken from a really crappy LP - loads of hiss and scratches - so watch out and step away from buying this pirate (if only because of the low quality of that 3 tracks ;-))! The only excellent sounding CD versions of the mentioned trax (incl. Monolight '80) are on a 4CD box we're not allowed to discuss here - 'Electronic Orgy' is its name.... It's a pirate you know. Best Regards Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16704 Re: 70/80 PUM Edom Yannick Thu 6/3/1999 2 KB From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Poulton, Larry' > 19.47Tangram Part I, From Tangram This track sounds better than *any* other CD or LP version (incl. SBM) thanks to the guys at Nimbus Records, England ! I bought this one when it came out, sold it a few years later when the CD arrived but had to buy an excellent copy recently just for this track and the booklet... Jens From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: Gabe Yedid From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > > You're right about Edgars and Jeromes ability to play guitar. However they > are very different to Zlatko. Ed and Jerome aren't really fluid guitarists > whereas Zlatko is. Speaking as a guitarist, Ed and Jerome have very limited > guitar abilities! > Having said that, Edgar has a unique style and sound which is difficult to > achieve. Anyone can play the piano, for example, but to sound individual is > true artistry. I think Edgar can claim to have acheived this. > > Jerome? I'll have to hear more of his work, but I remain unimpressed! His > playing is a little cliched and he's obviously absorbed a lot of Edward Van > Halen's technique. I think you're underestimating Edgar here. Edgar CAN play faster and smoother than is 'characteristic', and he does so a few times during the much-underrated (IMO) 1978 tour. > Zlatko is so obviusly a schooled player (maybe a Guitar Institue grad?) and > his playing demonstrates real skill. His note selection and phrasing are > tastful. I believe he makes a valid contribution to TD's overall. However great his technical skills may be, it doesn't change the fact that Zlatko still sounds like a couple of hundred other Satriani clones out there. A number of us here have discussed this before, and we'd take the oodles of personality we get from Ed's playing over Zlatko's generic guitar-god sound any day. This isn't something that skill alone can cover: even if Zlatko had been using the same guitar and setup that Edgar had used in 1980 for recording _Thief_, the guitar part for 'Beach Scene' would still not have sounded the same on the last tour. As for his note selection...more than a few people here think he selects too many--although from what I've heard from the bootlegs of the '97 tour, he was considerably more controlled than he was in '92. > Anil Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16694 Re: The Need for Zlatko? An Answer to Craig healya@xxxxx.xx Wed 6/2/1999 1 KB From: Mats Nordlinder From: 'Poulton, Larry' > From: 'Poulton, Larry' > 19.47Tangram Part I, From Tangram This track sounds better than *any* other CD or LP version (incl. SBM) thanks to the guys at Nimbus Records, England ! I bought this one when it came out, sold it a few years later when the CD arrived but had to buy an excellent copy recently just for this track and the booklet... Jens ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's finally here! 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A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: healya@xxxxx.xx Date: Wed Jun 2, 1999 11:51 am Subject: Re: The Need for Zlatko? An Answer to Craig It is obvious that Perica can play guitar well but in my opinion he ruined the gig in Glasgow 97. Why Edgar did not play I will never know,it was to be my highlight of the gig,a good solo, but unfortunately it never happened. From: 'Thomas' From: 'Jens Peschke' > 19.47Tangram Part I, From Tangram > >This track sounds better than *any* other CD or LP version (incl. SBM) >thanks to the guys at Nimbus Records, England ! I agree with you Jens, Nimbus Records did a really good job on 70/80, especially the 'Tangram' part 1 as you say. In fact everything they layed their hands on came out very good indeed. I laughed when everybody traded their vinyl away at rediculously low prices when CD was launched. Even today, in my opinion, most CD releases can never match the sound of the vinyl. I don't know if it's due to the transformation from analogue to digital that does it, but clearly vinyl outperforms any CD when it comes to musicality and details. Seriously, how many of the people who bought a CD in the early days compared the sound of the CD to a good turntable?? Sure it was not as noisy, and the ticks and pops were gone, but what about the music??? But I guess I should be grateful, because I have gotten hold of so much good music at cheap prices thanks to this phenomenon. Are there any others out there who share my opinion? Thomas Bertilsson Sweden Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16696 Re: 70-80 - and vinyl TJames0001@xxx.xxx Wed 6/2/1999 1 KB 16697 Re: 70-80 - and vinyl Marcelo Gutierrez Wed 6/2/1999 3 KB 16698 Re: 70-80 - and vinyl Joe Shoults Wed 6/2/1999 1 KB 16702 Re: 70-80 - and vinyl JMPoer Wed 6/2/1999 2 KB 16705 Re: 70-80 - and vinyl Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Thu 6/3/1999 4 KB From: TJames0001@xxx.xxx Date: Wed Jun 2, 1999 3:38 pm Subject: Re: 70-80 - and vinyl I agree. I still have all my old vinyl and they still sound spectacular on a tube amp. Especially Tangram, Logos, Encore, Richochet and Rubycon. The CD's sound good but not GREAT! Tom From: Marcelo Gutierrez From: Thomas > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] 70-80 - and vinyl > Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 11:09 AM > > From: 'Thomas' > > >From: 'Jens Peschke' > > > > 19.47Tangram Part I, From Tangram > > > >This track sounds better than *any* other CD or LP version (incl. SBM) > >thanks to the guys at Nimbus Records, England ! > > I agree with you Jens, Nimbus Records did a really good job on 70/80, especially the 'Tangram' part 1 as you say. In fact everything they layed their hands on came out very good indeed. > > > I laughed when everybody traded their vinyl away at rediculously low prices when CD was launched. Even today, in my opinion, most CD releases can never match the sound of the vinyl. I don't know if it's due to the transformation from analogue to digital that does it, but clearly vinyl outperforms any CD when it comes to musicality and details. > Seriously, how many of the people who bought a CD in the early days compared the sound of the CD to a good turntable?? Sure it was not as noisy, and the ticks and pops were gone, but what about the music??? > But I guess I should be grateful, because I have gotten hold of so much good music at cheap prices thanks to this phenomenon. > > Are there any others out there who share my opinion? > > Thomas Bertilsson > Sweden > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Did you know each week we feature a ONElist story? > http://www.onelist.com > How has ONElist changed your life? Please share your story. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Marcelo Gutierrez [mailto:tdune@m...] > I agree with Jens and Thomas, the sound on vinyl LPs is way better than on > CDs, just compare the sound on the LP 'Logos' and its CD counterpart (If > you still or ever had the LP), the LP sounds so much richer and > warmer. And ... The real reason is that your ears are more sensitive than you might think. Without getting technical or verbose about it, think of it by comparing how your ears work to how your eyes work: just like subliminal messages can be displayed faster than the eye can consciously register, your ears pick up the digital signal and recognize the difference from analog. The SBM process is supposed to compensate for that with an increased frequency rate. -joe From: 'Joe Shoults' From: Derk From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' From: geir.smedsrud@m... >There is also that science program on radio >(NRK 1 - Verdt å vite) that uses a TD tune. I always mixes up the track titles, can you help me here, Glenn or Alexander? This radio program has been on air for decades. Hallo Geir - fint å se andre nordmenn på lista! The radioprogram mentioned uses an excerpt of Stratosfear, from the point when the sequencers kick inn after the guitar part. I should also mention (while on the subject of radio) that I myself played TD extensively when I was a producer and host of several synth-music radio shows on local radio in the early 90s. Especially in my weekly show called 'Electronic shadows', I had TD on at least once each show, sometimes two or three, and a couple of TD specials as well. And, a few times I left Disc1 from Dream Sequence playing all night until the next morning (after the regular shows were off the air), so *somebody* got a TD overdose back then!! :-) Jarre forever! Glenn Jean-Michel Jarre Fanclub Norway JMJ Tribute Album @ www.jmjfkn.com JarreArt @ www.itsahit.com/jarreart From: JMPoer Date: Wed Jun 2, 1999 9:18 pm Subject: Re: 70-80 - and vinyl At 12:27 AM 6/2/1999 -0400, you wrote: >From: Marcelo Gutierrez > >Hi all > >I agree with Jens and Thomas, the sound on vinyl LPs is way better than on >CDs, just compare the sound on the LP 'Logos' and its CD counterpart (If >you still or ever had the LP), the LP sounds so much richer and warmer. And >yes, the version of Tangram on the 70-80 box is the best sounding version, >ever. >I for one, still have all my old LPs and play them quite often. > >Marcelo > I agree, I have kept all my vinyl and still look for releases if I think (or know) they exist. I now PLAY my CD's more than the vinyl because you can't get around the fact that they are more convenient and durable (expendable ?), but if I really want to LISTEN, the vinyl usually gets pulled out. I no longer have my monster tube amps (and about that I am REALLY sorry) and I know, now and too late, that they also were much better for 'listening' than even serious digital amps. Luckily I still have an analog ( but solid state ) system so it's not too bad. John jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Jun 3, 1999 3:59 am Subject: CD versus LP I guess I might as well put my two pennies(?) worth of opinion into the LP/CD debate which appears to be in progress, as well as offering thoughts for the future. There are a number of variables in the argument which have to be considered. If you have the equipment, I feel you can get excellent results from CDs. The problem, it seems, is that you have to spend a lot more (and I mean lot) on a good CD system (as I have done) than you do on a turntable, arm and cartridge to get similar quality. I also have high-powered valve monoblocks (with MOS-FETS in the outputs), fed from a valve preamplifier and large, full-range electrostatic speakers which obviously assist in providing high quality sound. In addition there have been, and still remain, problems in the transferring of analogue masters to CD and it seems to me that only in recent times has this problem been largely overcome with SBM. Some digital originals have been recorded employing different sampling rates to the CD standard of 44.1kHz and those have required resampling which may, or may not, affect the outcome, depending on how accurately that resampling is carried out. Furthermore, some of the initial digital recordings were, quite frankly, ghastly being both edgy and clinical. Thankfully, the situation has improved dramatically over the years. It will be interesting to hear some of the DVD-A and/or SACD (incorporating an advanced layer for the Philips/Sony Direct Stream Digital process -- bitstream sampled at 64 times standard CD sampling, or at a frequency of 2.8224MHz -- as well as a standard CD layer) to find out whether they offer the sort of advance we might expect. I've read a number of articles, principally relating to the recording of serious music, and it appears that both systems have the ability to offer an almost unbelievable degree of transparency (rarely heard outside the control room, according to one respected critic after reviewing a recently recorded 24-bit/96kHz DVD-A) as well as a totally believable acoustic environment. Of course, the correct hall for the recording still has to be selected, the right microphones have to be chosen and correctly positioned, the recording levels have to be correctly set etc. Furthermore, both systems support multichannel 'home theatre' style set-ups with lossless compression systems resulting in no compromise in quality -- providing one has the room for all the speakers, which I most certainly wouldn't have! . ----- Original Message ----- From: JMPoer To: Sent: Thursday, 3 June 1999 09:18 Subject: Re: [tadream] 70-80 - and vinyl > From: JMPoer > > At 12:27 AM 6/2/1999 -0400, you wrote: > >From: Marcelo Gutierrez > > > >Hi all > > > >I agree with Jens and Thomas, the sound on vinyl LPs is way better than on > >CDs, just compare the sound on the LP 'Logos' and its CD counterpart (If > >you still or ever had the LP), the LP sounds so much richer and warmer. And > >yes, the version of Tangram on the 70-80 box is the best sounding version, > >ever. > >I for one, still have all my old LPs and play them quite often. > > > >Marcelo > > > > I agree, I have kept all my vinyl and still look for releases if I think (or > know) they exist. I now PLAY my CD's more than the vinyl because you can't get > around the fact that they are more convenient and durable (expendable ?), but > if I really want to LISTEN, the vinyl usually gets pulled out. I no longer have > my monster tube amps (and about that I am REALLY sorry) and I know, now and too > late, that they also were much better for 'listening' than even serious digital > amps. Luckily I still have an analog ( but solid state ) system so it's not too > bad. > > > John > > > jp > > 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 'Congratulations to 'Voice-Diary,' our latest ONElist of the Week. > http://www.onelist.com > Visit our homepage and share with us how ONElist is changing YOUR life! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) Date: Thu Jun 3, 1999 7:38 am Subject: Re: 70/80 PUM ---------- > De : Jens Peschke > A : tadream@o... > Objet : Re: [tadream] 70/80 PUM > Date : mardi 1 juin 1999 20:11 > > From: 'Jens Peschke' > > > From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) > > > Unfortunatly there is no offical CD version of this box but there are a > lot > > of CDR copies (some of them include a good reproduction of the booklet). > > There are some boot CDs and CDRs which includes the unreleased tracks > > (except Monolight 80) like Mystery Tracks. > > Yes, but you should mention that the versions on MT are taken from a really > crappy > LP - loads of hiss and scratches - so watch out and step away from buying > this > pirate (if only because of the low quality of that 3 tracks ;-))! > Yes, but at this time MT was the only CD included these tracks EO went long after. So MT was the only way to get them on CD. > The only excellent sounding CD versions of the mentioned trax (incl. > Monolight '80) > are on a 4CD box we're not allowed to discuss here - 'Electronic Orgy' > is its name.... > I agree, EO is one of the best boot with a great sound quality. Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Thu Jun 3, 1999 9:35 am Subject: Re: 70-80 - and vinyl me too bert > ---------- > From: Marcelo Gutierrez[SMTP:tdune@m...] > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 06:27 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] 70-80 - and vinyl > > From: Marcelo Gutierrez > > Hi all > > I agree with Jens and Thomas, the sound on vinyl LPs is way better than on > CDs, just compare the sound on the LP 'Logos' and its CD counterpart (If > you still or ever had the LP), the LP sounds so much richer and warmer. > And > yes, the version of Tangram on the 70-80 box is the best sounding version, > ever. > I for one, still have all my old LPs and play them quite often. > > Marcelo > > > ---------- > > From: Thomas > > To: tadream@o... > > Subject: Re: [tadream] 70-80 - and vinyl > > Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 11:09 AM > > > > From: 'Thomas' > > > > >From: 'Jens Peschke' > > > > > > > 19.47Tangram Part I, From Tangram > > > > > >This track sounds better than *any* other CD or LP version (incl. SBM) > > >thanks to the guys at Nimbus Records, England ! > > > > I agree with you Jens, Nimbus Records did a really good job on 70/80, > especially the 'Tangram' part 1 as you say. In fact everything they layed > their hands on came out very good indeed. > > > > > > I laughed when everybody traded their vinyl away at rediculously low > prices when CD was launched. Even today, in my opinion, most CD releases > can never match the sound of the vinyl. I don't know if it's due to the > transformation from analogue to digital that does it, but clearly vinyl > outperforms any CD when it comes to musicality and details. > > Seriously, how many of the people who bought a CD in the early days > compared the sound of the CD to a good turntable?? Sure it was not as > noisy, and the ticks and pops were gone, but what about the music??? > > But I guess I should be grateful, because I have gotten hold of so much > good music at cheap prices thanks to this phenomenon. > > > > Are there any others out there who share my opinion? > > > > Thomas Bertilsson > > Sweden > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Did you know each week we feature a ONElist story? > > http://www.onelist.com > > How has ONElist changed your life? Please share your story. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail > option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To > unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Give back to your community through 'Grow to Give.' > http://www.onelist.com > Deadline is June 19. See homepage for details. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, > and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To > unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: Antonio Nunes But recently I took another chance and bought a second-hand (and as I > later > discovered, unremastered) copy of Force Majeure and I absolutely loved it! > What followed was a feeding frenzy for all other albums released around > FM, > in other words the entire Virgin catalogue (except the live albums). Do yourself a favour and buy the live albums from the same period. They are NOT live versions of the studio albums, they are entirely new music. 'Logos Live' and 'Poland' are two of my all-time favourite albums. I'm sure you'll love them too. Antonio From: 'Poulton, Larry' Welcome to the list Derk! You wrote: > But recently I took another chance and bought a second-hand (and as I > later > discovered, unremastered) copy of Force Majeure and I absolutely loved it! > What followed was a feeding frenzy for all other albums released around > FM, > in other words the entire Virgin catalogue (except the live albums). Do yourself a favour and buy the live albums from the same period. They are NOT live versions of the studio albums, they are entirely new music. 'Logos Live' and 'Poland' are two of my all-time favourite albums. I'm sure you'll love them too. 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A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Thu Jun 3, 1999 10:23 am Subject: Too MAny Notes, Gabe? You said: >As for his note selection...more than a few people here think he selects too >many--although from what I've heard from the bootlegs of the '97 tour, he >was considerably more controlled than he was in '92. Didn't they say that about Mozart, Gabe? Surely you're not going to critize WAM? :) Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16709 Re: Too MAny Notes, Gabe? joe shoults Thu 6/3/1999 2 KB 16710 Re: Too MAny Notes, Gabe? Anil Sahal Thu 6/3/1999 3 KB 16714 Re: Too MAny Notes, Gabe? Gabe Yedid Thu 6/3/1999 2 KB From: 'joe shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Anil Sahal [mailto:9148621s@u...] > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 6:24 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Too MAny Notes, Gabe? > > > From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > > You said: > > >As for his note selection...more than a few people here think he > selects too > >many--although from what I've heard from the bootlegs of the '97 > tour, he > >was considerably more controlled than he was in '92. > > > Didn't they say that about Mozart, Gabe? Surely you're not going > to critize > WAM? :) > > Anil > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > ----- > Anil Sahal > Motoneurone Research Group > Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems > West Medical Building > University of Glasgow > Glasgow > Scotland > G12 8QQ > 0141-339-8855 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > ----- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Did you know each week we feature a ONElist story? > http://www.onelist.com > How has ONElist changed your life? Please share your story. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in > your replies. 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Surely you're not going >> to critize >> WAM? :) >> >> Anil >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ---------- >> ----- >> Anil Sahal >> Motoneurone Research Group >> Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems >> West Medical Building >> University of Glasgow >> Glasgow >> Scotland >> G12 8QQ >> 0141-339-8855 >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ---------- >> ----- >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Did you know each week we feature a ONElist story? >> http://www.onelist.com >> How has ONElist changed your life? Please share your story. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML >> e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in >> your replies. 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Scott From: Marcelo Gutierrez From: Derk > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] New Subscriber > Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 2:23 PM > > From: Derk > > Hi! > > I'm a new subscriber to this list and would like to take this opportunity > to introduce myself. > > The boring information is that I'm dutch, 24 years old and live in Gouda, > which is somewhat famous for its cheese, candles and pipes. > > Anyway, my first TD album was Tyger, which I bought a long time ago, and I > really loved it (and still do). I then snapped up Zeit, which was being > sold for a bargain price and I didn't like it at all! For me, it was much > too weird! Looking back, I think it was my misfortune that I picked up > Zeit, and not one of the later albums, because it really turned me away > from TD. > But recently I took another chance and bought a second-hand (and as I later > discovered, unremastered) copy of Force Majeure and I absolutely loved it! > What followed was a feeding frenzy for all other albums released around FM, > in other words the entire Virgin catalogue (except the live albums). > Cyclone is the only one from that era that I don't like too much, but FM > and Tangram are up there with my favourite albums of all time. I don't know > anything about the newer stuff (from 1988 onwards) but I've heard that it's > less synth oriented and more symphonic. One of these days I'm going to take > some time to sample some newer works. > > Well, I hope I didn't bore you too much ;-) > > Back to lurk mode for now, > Derk > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > With more than 18 million e-mails exchanged daily... > http://www.onelist.com > ...ONElist is THE place where the world talks! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: Gabe Yedid From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > > > Didn't they say that about Mozart, Gabe? Surely you're not going to critize > WAM? :) > > Anil You're not seriously suggesting that Zlatko is in the same league as Mozart, are you? ;) (And I don't buy into the near-deification of Mozart either, but that's another story...) What I meant was that Zlatko has a tendency to put too many 32nd-note embellishments into his solos, whereas many people feel that sixteenths or even eighths would suffice (sorry I could never get the British terminology for these straight). His playing is focused too much on vacuous virtuosity at the expense of artistry and personality elements that are to the fore in Edgar's playing, even if Ed's not as technically accomplished. It would be VERY nice if Zlatko were to try and assimilate more elements of Edgar's style; this would have the advantages of giving TD's guitar parts a more traditional, fitting sound, while at the same time combining that with better playing. > Anil Sahal Gabe From: 'joe shoults' From: 'Jared White' The current survey on the 'Best of the Melrose Years' is the tightest yet, > with the top albums all separated by only one vote! All the other surveys > have been won by landslides. I guess I should keep it going a > few more days > to give everybody a chance to get their votes in? If you haven't > voted yet, > go to http://www.onelist.com/surveycenter/tadream and cast your vote for > your favorite album from the 'Melrose Years'. Well, the results are pretty varied now. In fact, I'm shocked. More people voted for Lily on the Beach than Optical Race??? Lily on the Beach is, uh, pretty mediocre, whereas Optical Race is a really nice album. Weird.... Take care, Jared _________________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@s... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.adei.com iReview: http://www.gaeldesign.adei.com/ireview The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.adei.com/gallery Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: 'j.gordon' But hey why not! Bring back Christopher all is forgiven. > j.gordon here... I was thinking that maybe, after Ed left, Chistopher and Johannes might come back and join Jerome... now wouldn't that be interesting... oh, and just for a spin, we need B.B. on guitar... now wouldn't THAT be interesting... Strange thoughts on gray days... j.gordon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' KlangArt is fast approaching! > Who all is going? I'm eager to hear your reviews! > > -joe j.gordon here... I was going to be in the area anyway, so I thought I'd just drop by for a couple of minutes... you know, hang around outside the door, see if I can hear anything... ;) I'm actually interested in this drum and bass gig that the big J has going on afterwards... not because of the music mind you... I want to see how he handles the headphones with that hair of his... I wonder what he does every morning; stand in front of a wind tunnel for a half an hour or so... his hair reminds me of those trees that line the California coast which are buffeted by the sea winds constantly and so grow at unnatural angles and remain that way, even on calm days... do you think it's dangerous, that hair?... Anyway, I expect that this new music will be a hair-raising event... just ask Jerome... Stranger thoughts on grayer days... j.gordon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Mats Nordlinder From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Fri Jun 4, 1999 10:10 am Subject: Re: Too Many Notes, Gabe? Hello Gabe, I was in no way even slightly comparing Perica to WAM. I was alluding to the amusing moment portrayed in 'Amadeaus' in which such a statement about 'too many notes' was made by a rather narrow minded aristocrat. Perahps you haven't seen this film. You should, it's rather good. Perhaps my British sarcasm doesn't come across on the net? I also agree with you when you say Mozart was not a deity. JS Bach is a god and no one else. Please don't forget this :>! As to the use of semiquavers and demisemiquavers (they're not British terms but more likely European/German. After all they invented modern musical notation and it has since been bastardized by so many nations) well that's all a matter of taste. Speed is seen as a valid form of self-expression in the classical music world and it's only us 'popular music' types who get up tight about it (perhaps beacuse we can't do it as eloqently as Izak Perlmann or Vanessa Mae -Tee hee). I agree that Perica's playing is in no way unique. Even I can mimic it with little difficulty (it is great fun playing along to 'Two Bunch Palms'). That isn't to say it isn't a valid means of playing. What seems to be happening with the two guitarist is that Edgar has a clearly defined 'European' flavour to his stlye whereas Perica is good ol' US of A in his style. Yes, Perica is a virtuosity but then wasn't Dali? One could not say his art work was vacuous and I think to say that about Perica playing is subjective and even a little unkind. Let us not forget that Forese and the rest of TD have paid Perica to play with them and even kept him on in TD for several years. Perica isn't forcing himself on the band. They must think he's great asset to TD just as I do! Froese has his playing style, Perica has his own. I like Perica's style, you clearly don't, Gabe. It is unlikely we will agree on this one. However, I have a feeling that when Edgar retires soon, Jerome is going to keep Z Man on in the band! Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16721 Re: Too Many Notes, Gabe? Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Fri 6/4/1999 2 KB 16722 Re: Too Many Notes, Gabe? Anil Sahal Fri 6/4/1999 3 KB 16728 Re: Too Many Notes, Gabe? Gabe Yedid Fri 6/4/1999 5 KB From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > >Froese has his playing style, Perica has his own. I like Perica's style, >you clearly don't, Gabe. It is unlikely we will agree on this one. However, >I have a feeling that when Edgar retires soon, Jerome is going to keep Z Man >on in the band! What do you base this 'feeling' on Anil? After Turn of the Tides, Zlatko did not appear again until the European tour of 1997. In those intervening 2 or 3 years, Mark Hornby and Gerald Gradwool supplied the guitar work for Tyranny of Beauty, Goblin's Club and the 1996 Shepherd's Bush show. I don't know if this was because of a Baumann-style hiatus, or if Zlatko had been replaced. When the 1997 European tour was orignally announced, Zlatko wasn't the planned guitartist. He appeared later on (IIRC). -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Fri Jun 4, 1999 10:53 am Subject: Re: Too Many Notes, Gabe? Perhaps this feeling is just wishful thinking on my part? I was unaware of Zlatkos unemployment during the mid-nineties. This is mainly because I avoided those albums as I wasn't keen on ehat I heard. I suppose it's the way Jerome spoke of Zlatko in endearing tones on his own website. He called him 'The Z-man' so they must be slightly pally? I infer from this that Jerome quite like Zlatko and his style. Regards Anil At 11:38 04/06/99 +0100, you wrote: >From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > > >>From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> >> >>Froese has his playing style, Perica has his own. I like Perica's style, >>you clearly don't, Gabe. It is unlikely we will agree on this one. However, >>I have a feeling that when Edgar retires soon, Jerome is going to keep Z Man >>on in the band! > >What do you base this 'feeling' on Anil? After Turn of the Tides, Zlatko did >not appear again until the European tour of 1997. In those intervening 2 or 3 >years, Mark Hornby and Gerald Gradwool supplied the guitar work for Tyranny of >Beauty, Goblin's Club and the 1996 Shepherd's Bush show. I don't know if this >was because of a Baumann-style hiatus, or if Zlatko had been replaced. When the >1997 European tour was orignally announced, Zlatko wasn't the planned >guitartist. He appeared later on (IIRC). > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... >Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 >Alenia Marconi Systems >Integrated Systems Division >Donibristle, Fife, Scotland >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Looking to expand your world? >http://www.onelist.com >ONElist has nearly 160,000 e-mail communities from which to chose! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Fri Jun 4, 1999 11:39 am Subject: TD Evolution Last night I was reading an interesting book about the develpment of Western Classical music and how it had evolved. It struck me that there are parallels between TDs evolution and the way classical music evolved. The parallels start with baroque music (my personal favourite) and explains the contrapunctal nature of the orchestration. This means several single note passages interacting with one another to produce the 'illusion' of harmony even though there may not be many notes sounding simultaneously. This would then be overlayed with a solo violin/flute/recorder part etc. This sounded just like a description of some of TDs earlier works, with sequences, counter-sequences and polyrhythms, all overlayed with a distinct and obvious lead melody. The book went on to the Romantic era of classical music. This was characterised by true harmony where large, rich chords are overlayed to produce dense harmonies and shifts of these chords producing an 'illusion' of melody. Isn't that just like TD now? Huge sounds and chords carefully constructed together to produce the wall of rich sound. I suppose this should have been obvious since TD do have some classical training. I wonder if we could predict where TD will go next bearing in mind this striking parallel? Unlikely! Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16725 Re: TD Evolution Poulton, Larry Fri 6/4/1999 4 KB 16730 Re: TD Evolution Gabe Yedid Fri 6/4/1999 1 KB 16731 Re: TD Evolution Jens Peschke Fri 6/4/1999 2 KB 16737 Re: TD Evolution PENFOLD Sat 6/5/1999 1 KB 16739 Re: TD Evolution Steven Le Vine Sat 6/5/1999 1 KB 16740 Re: TD Evolution Gabe Yedid Sat 6/5/1999 1 KB 16743 Re: TD Evolution PENFOLD Sat 6/5/1999 2 KB From: 'Poulton, Larry' Last night I was reading an interesting book about the develpment of Western Classical music and how it had evolved. It struck me that there are parallels between TDs evolution and the way classical music evolved. The parallels start with baroque music (my personal favourite) and explains the contrapunctal nature of the orchestration. This means several single note passages interacting with one another to produce the 'illusion' of harmony even though there may not be many notes sounding simultaneously. This would then be overlayed with a solo violin/flute/recorder part etc. This sounded just like a description of some of TDs earlier works, with sequences, counter-sequences and polyrhythms, all overlayed with a distinct and obvious lead melody. The book went on to the Romantic era of classical music. This was characterised by true harmony where large, rich chords are overlayed to produce dense harmonies and shifts of these chords producing an 'illusion' of melody. Isn't that just like TD now? Huge sounds and chords carefully constructed together to produce the wall of rich sound. I suppose this should have been obvious since TD do have some classical training. I wonder if we could predict where TD will go next bearing in mind this striking parallel? Unlikely! Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ How has ONElist changed your life? Share your story with us at http://www.onelist.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com _____________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: 'j.gordon' Next evolutionary step....probably punk (!)... followed by New Romantic, > then Eurovision...Aaaaargh!!!! > > Larry 8-) > j.gordon here... I think that we can safely say that when the evolution hits the era of doing Lawerence Welk, it will be time to pack it in... ;) j.gordon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Anil Sahal [mailto:9148621s@u...] ... > I have a feeling that when Edgar retires soon, Jerome is going to > keep Z Man on in the band! > Regards > Anil > Hi Anil- Is there something specific that leads you to believe Edgar wants to retire? ...and soon? There is nothing I've read or seen to indicate this to me other than unsubstantiated rumors that were based upon nothing posted on a different list.. I certainly hope you're wrong. -joe From: Gabe Yedid From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > > Hello Gabe, > > I was in no way even slightly comparing Perica to WAM. I was alluding to > the amusing moment portrayed in 'Amadeaus' in which such a statement about > 'too many notes' was made by a rather narrow minded aristocrat. Perahps you > haven't seen this film. You should, it's rather good. Perhaps my British > sarcasm doesn't come across on the net? Seen it, done it, and dissected the play in English class. > I also agree with you when you say Mozart was not a deity. JS Bach is a god > and no one else. Please don't forget this :>! At least we agree on that ;) > As to the use of semiquavers and demisemiquavers (they're not British terms > but more likely European/German. After all they invented modern musical > notation and it has since been bastardized by so many nations) well that's > all a matter of taste. Speed is seen as a valid form of self-expression in > the classical music world and it's only us 'popular music' types who get up > tight about it (perhaps beacuse we can't do it as eloqently as Izak Perlmann > or Vanessa Mae -Tee hee). > > I agree that Perica's playing is in no way unique. Even I can mimic it with > little difficulty (it is great fun playing along to 'Two Bunch Palms'). > That isn't to say it isn't a valid means of playing. But it doesn't really add anything to the TD sound. Edgar's playing, at the very least, has for a very long time been a part of TD's distinctive feel. With Zlatko and Jerome, that just isn't there any more and makes TD sound much closer to any other rock band out there (far more than their extensive use of synth presets IMO). > What seems to be happening with the two guitarist is that Edgar has a > clearly defined 'European' flavour to his stlye whereas Perica is good ol' > US of A in his style. Yes, Perica is a virtuosity but then wasn't Dali? > One could not say his art work was vacuous and I think to say that about > Perica playing is subjective and even a little unkind. I also hope you're not seriously suggesting that Perica's in the same league as Dali ;). Dali was a great *creator* of his art, Perica is an interpreter--yes I know he improvises the guitar parts to some extent, but he is not yet at the point where he's recieved full composer credit on a TD album. Also, Dali was certainly an original, like Edgar. Perica is a follower of somebody else's style (or is Lars going to shoot me down here, too?). > Let us not forget that Forese and the rest of TD have paid Perica to play > with them and even kept him on in TD for several years. Perica isn't forcing > himself on the band. They must think he's great asset to TD just as I do! They had Gerald Gradwool (Gradwohl?) who took his place from 1995-1996, and you would have hardly noticed there was a difference. Gradwool's 'second', Mark Hornby, at least had a cleaner, more traditional sound that fit better with TD music, IMO. > Froese has his playing style, Perica has his own. I like Perica's style, > you clearly don't, Gabe. I never said I didn't like it. On the contrary, he has done some great things in his time with TD; the solo from 'Homeless' and the Spanish-style guitar on 'Firetongues' (which Gradwool and Hornby completely butchered at London in '96) are his best contributions IMO, and show that he can indeed play with feeling--when he wants/needs to. Somebody once made a comment after seeing TD play in '97 that Zlatko had learned to 'serve the composition' rather than try to dominate it with overplaying. ('Homeless' is merely great as it is. Now, if it had been Edgar playing that solo on the Sunburst, Beach Theme-style, it would truly have been a thing of beauty.) > It is unlikely we will agree on this one. However, > I have a feeling that when Edgar retires soon, Jerome is going to keep Z Man > on in the band! Quite possibly, but it remains to be seen if either of them can grow beyond beyond what they are now, as both performers and composers. > Anil Gabe From: Gabe Yedid Hi Anil- > Is there something specific that leads you to believe Edgar wants to retire? > ...and soon? > There is nothing I've read or seen to indicate this to me other than > unsubstantiated rumors that were based upon nothing posted on a different > list.. I certainly hope you're wrong. > -joe So, now you've gone to slagging the UWP list as nothing but a source of misinformation? Just because it was on 'that other list', it must be false? It has been known for at least two years that Edgar is going to retire sometime next year and turn the band over to Jerome. He has said this in public to fans after concerts (right Glynn?--you did ask him after all). After 33 years, it's high time he took a break, to say the least. I can't help but believe he will continue to guide TD's affairs from behind the scenes, though. Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16733 Re: Edgar retire- scurrilous rumor? (was RE: [tad Joe Shoults Fri 6/4/1999 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > I wonder if we could predict where TD will go next bearing in mind this > striking parallel? Unlikely! Sure we can, isn't it obvious? Increasing use of dissonance, atonality, serialism, then chance music and finally complete silence. ;) ;) ;) > Anil Gabe From: 'Jens Peschke' From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > The parallels start with baroque music (my personal favourite) and explains > the contrapunctal nature of the orchestration. Interesting point here. I always found Statosfear being somewhat close to Baroque But that's about the only parallel concerning TD's evolution. When TD started they were about to explore new grounds far away from the anglo-american rock stuff that floaded around back in those days. Furthermore they avoided structures and ideas/harmonies et all to be found in Baroque and Romantic (or Classical music in general) like a plaque using some of the ideas the avantgarde came up with in the 20th century. (and indeed influenced by Pink Floyd, Craig, right ?) I can't see any contrapunctal nature in there stuff 'til 75 perhabs. The influence of improvisation got lost over the years and they added more structure (concerning harmonies/motifs/melodies) to their music. More and more influence of anglo-american rock elements to the extend that 220 volt is almost pure mainstream American rock, sort of anyway. Buttom line - they went down ever so slightly - from groundbreaking pioneers to followers of others ideas using preset sounds of machines they were no longer involved in (as in the 70s for PPG gear for example). From high_risk improvisation and 100% live performance to no_risk miming to a DAT backing. Best Regards Jens np - Yello - Better say yes to another excess From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Gabe Yedid [mailto:gabe@c...] > > (from joe) > > There is nothing I've read or seen to indicate this to me other than > > unsubstantiated rumors that were based upon nothing posted on a > different list.. I certainly hope you're wrong. > > -joe > > So, now you've gone to slagging the UWP list as nothing but a source of > misinformation? Just because it was on 'that other list', it > must be false? Whoa- hold it there, Gabe- did I say the UWP list? No way, I didn't, so please don't jump to conclusions! I said a DIFFERENT list, and it could have been ANY list- I am subscribed to many! Since you copied this to the uwp list, I guess I had better too, so I don't look like a complete ass. (geez!) > It has been known for at least two years that Edgar is going to retire > sometime next year and turn the band over to Jerome. He has said this in > public to fans after concerts (right Glynn?--you did ask him after all). > After 33 years, it's high time he took a break, to say the least. Why? > I can't help but believe he will continue to guide TD's affairs from > behind the scenes, though. This is true- as President of TDI, he calls the shots now, and will probably continue to do so. -joe From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Schick [mailto:jonathan@f...] > Sent: Friday, June 04, 1999 5:16 PM > To: joes@c... > Subject: TD in print > > Hi Joe. > got the articles. thanks a lot! > what's a recommended way to print 'em? They can be tough to read. > please respond to jonathan@f...(respond address may be wrong) > Jonathan good question. Anil tried to scan them is as best as he could, but the pages are so thin, they pick up the back side and the pics come through black. I'm trying to clean them up on the website right now, with only a little success. I think what I'll do is transcribe them eventually and just recreate them as individual pages. they'll load faster that way, anyway. Also adding in the Choronzon portion... -joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16736 Re: TD in print JMPoer Sat 6/5/1999 1 KB 16744 Re: TD in print Thomas Sat 6/5/1999 1 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' From: JMPoer From: 'Joe Shoults' > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jonathan Schick [mailto:jonathan@f...] >> Sent: Friday, June 04, 1999 5:16 PM >> To: joes@c... >> Subject: TD in print >> >> Hi Joe. >> got the articles. thanks a lot! >> what's a recommended way to print 'em? They can be tough to read. >> please respond to jonathan@f...(respond address may be wrong) >> Jonathan > >good question. Anil tried to scan them is as best as he could, but the >pages are so thin, they pick up the back side and the pics come through >black. > Joe, Have him scan them with a piece of black cardboard behind them and INCREASE the brightness level. John Poer jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: PENFOLD and finally complete silence. Done already, John Cage's 4'33' Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Joe Shoults' >To: >Subject: [tadream] Klangart approaching... >Date: Wed, Jun 2, 1999, 12:44 PM > > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > KlangArt is fast approaching! > Who all is going? I'm eager to hear your reviews! > > -joe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > With more than 18 million e-mails exchanged daily... > http://www.onelist.com > ...ONElist is THE place where the world talks! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, > and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To > unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Jens Peschke' > More and more influence of anglo-american rock element >to the extend that 220 volt is almost pure mainstream American rock, sort >of anyway. > Best Regards > > Jens From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sat Jun 5, 1999 6:36 pm Subject: Re: TD Evolution On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, PENFOLD wrote: > At 9906.04 -- 10:14, Gabe Yedid wrote: > >and finally complete silence. > > Done already, John Cage's 4'33' Well yes I knew that, I was merely pointing out that would be the inevitable endpoint of TD's evolution, to continue Anil's parallel with the history of Western music. In TD's case, though, it'll be more like 43:33. >) > > Pete Isaacson Gabe From: TheKobaian@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Jun 5, 1999 6:51 pm Subject: Various topics On the issue of a 'new TD member': I would wonder what would happen if they brought someone like Steve Hillage into the group. Sure, Steve's doing more techno oriented stuff now, but if Ed is indeed going to retire, I think Steve would be a superior addition on guitar. But only if they get rid of Zlatko, who I agree is pretty much a wanker. On the issue of the live albums: Anyone who doesn't get Logos, Ricochet, Encore and Poland are missing out on some great music. It's not like they're just reproducing studio material onstage on these albums. Much of the music is pretty much stuff that hasn't appeared on studio releases, in fact. And just a FYI: During my trip to LA (I went to see Magma and Porcupine Tree), I finally managed to track down a remastered copy of Ricochet. It's an Italian import. I'm starting to think the US is the one country in the world where the remasters weren't reissued. May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris From: 'Michael A. Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: TheKobaian@a... [mailto:TheKobaian@a...] > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 1999 1:52 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Various topics > > > From: TheKobaian@a... > > On the issue of a 'new TD member': > > I would wonder what would happen if they brought someone like > Steve Hillage > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16745 Re: hillage Carl & Jacqui Kearney Sun 6/6/1999 2 KB From: PENFOLD From: Gabe Yedid > >On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, PENFOLD wrote: > >> At 9906.04 -- 10:14, Gabe Yedid wrote: >> >and finally complete silence. >> >> Done already, John Cage's 4'33' > >Well yes I knew that, I was merely pointing out that would be the >inevitable endpoint of TD's evolution, to continue Anil's parallel with >the history of Western music. > >In TD's case, though, it'll be more like 43:33. >) TD's done it already (somewhat)....._Zeit_ Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. From: 'Thomas' From: 'Joe Shoults' > >> From: Jonathan Schick [mailto:jonathan@f...] >> Hi Joe. >> got the articles. thanks a lot! >> what's a recommended way to print 'em? They can be tough to read. >> please respond to jonathan@f...(respond address may be wrong) >> Jonathan > >good question. Anil tried to scan them is as best as he could, but the >pages are so thin, they pick up the back side and the pics come through >black. A good way to scan them is to put a black paper on the backside of the page that's being scanned, that way the text from the other side doesn't shine through, and it will be easier to doctor them. Just trying to help... Thomas Bertilsson Sweden From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' To: Sent: Saturday, June 05, 1999 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] hillage > From: 'Michael A. Jean' > > Gong is in town this month but I doubt he is playing with them... Hey Michael You mean Gong as in POT HEAD PIXXIE ? The Preacher. --------------------------------------------------------------- > 'Congratulations to 'Voice-Diary,' our latest ONElist of the Week. > http://www.onelist.com > Visit our homepage and share with us how ONElist is changing YOUR life! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: Derk From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sun Jun 6, 1999 4:04 pm Subject: Singing the Praises Is it just me, or are the choral samples on VALENTINE WHEELS (esp. 'Poland' and 'Statosfear '95') singing 'Alleluia'? - jim Now Playing: Tangerine Dream - VALENTINE WHEELS ============================================== 'You're not dying -- you just can't think of anything good to do!' -- Matthew Broderick, FERRIS BUELLER'S DAY OFF jimbo@v... = Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net From: 'joe shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Le Vine [mailto:siberkat@b...] > > OK, US TD Fans!!!! & those of you 'well off' enough to 'fly > over'. One of > my dearest friends claims that TD will be performing in NY (See below) . > Well, I went to 'the site' & it is some music festival, but no mention of > TD anywhere. > > One of you experts check it out & get back to us. Though I cannot go, it > wold be nice to know that they would come to the US & maybe give > all of us > hope. (sniff sniff) Yes, the rumor is true. I checked it out. TD was discussing the possibility of a NY gig, but satisfactory terms could not be arranged for the event. TD will not play NY this time around. :-( -joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16753 Re: no TD in NY this time Plumer, Scott Mon 6/7/1999 1 KB From: 'joe shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Michael A. Jean [mailto:mjean@s...] ... > > Gong is in town this month but I doubt he is playing with > them...The Ozrics > are coming too...I wonder if I should go see them... > > -----Original Message----- > > From: TheKobaian@a... [mailto:TheKobaian@a...] > > > > I would wonder what would happen if they brought someone like > > Steve Hillage I just got Ozric's Jurassic Shift, and it reminds me very much of Hawkwind. I like it. Ozric is coming to Cleveland, OH July 16, so I'm looking forward to seeing them. Chris and Scott, lets arrange to go or meet? -joe From: 'joe shoults' hi. i just had a quick question about unsubscribing to the tadream list. > i really want to be able to view the members profiles, and use the other > services provided by the list, <...> is there a > way i can unsubscribe to the mailing list, but still be able to view > profiles and such?? thanx for your help. > sincerely, mike schramer Yes, Mike- just go to www.onelist.com log in with your e-mail address and password, and check the box that says 'no mail'. This simply turns off your e-mail from the list (working on an email-based command for this). At the website, you can still view all postings in the 'archives', and have access to all other features. Note: if you don't know your password, or have never been to the onelist.com site, just try to log in with your e-mail address. It will ask you if you want to have your password e-mailed to you right away. you can change your password once you're in. -joe From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Mon Jun 7, 1999 10:01 am Subject: Re: Edgar retire- scurrilous rumor? Hello Joe, Yes, I distinctly remember Edgar himself saying, in an interview, that he was planning on retiring and passing TD over to Jerome. I think he went on to say that he felt that the Millenium might be a good time for the break. I'll see if I can find the quote, although it may take me a little time. Regards Anil >Hi Anil- >Is there something specific that leads you to believe Edgar wants to retire? >...and soon? > There is nothing I've read or seen to indicate this to me other than >unsubstantiated rumors that were based upon nothing posted on a different >list.. I certainly hope you're wrong. >-joe > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: 'Plumer, Scott' Yes, the rumor is true. I checked it out. TD was discussing the >possibility of a NY gig, but satisfactory terms could not be arranged for >the event. TD will not play NY this time around. :-( Whew! Actually, I'm glad they won't be coming: June 19 is my son's birthday, and there's not enough time to plan a trip. TD really ought to get hooked up with a festival of some sort, or open for a bigger band. Scott From: 'Plumer, Scott' I just got Ozric's Jurassic Shift, and it reminds me very much of Hawkwind. >I like it. >Ozric is coming to Cleveland, OH July 16, so I'm looking forward to seeing >them. Chris and Scott, lets arrange to go or meet? Yes, let's! For the uninitiated, Ozric Tentacles are like Hawkwind meets TD. They're a space-rock band that uses synths more than, say, Hawkwind. They're also instrumental. I got a message from their publicist saying that they have a new disc coming out soon to coincide with their US tour. I asked if they wouldn't be interested in also playing the Strange Daze festival in August as well, depending on how long their tour is going to be and if they'll be in the area at the time, which is August 20 - 22. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 28981 Ozric Tentacles Michal Moroz Sun 9/9/2001 2 KB 28982 Re: Ozric Tentacles Matthew Stringer Sun 9/9/2001 3 KB 28983 Re: Ozric Tentacles odean@m... Sun 9/9/2001 2 KB 28984 Re: Ozric Tentacles scfeldman@j... Sun 9/9/2001 3 KB 28985 Re: Ozric Tentacles Michal Moroz Sun 9/9/2001 2 KB 28987 Re: Ozric Tentacles scfeldman@j... Sun 9/9/2001 3 KB 28993 Re: Ozric Tentacles Phil Wingfield Sun 9/9/2001 2 KB 28994 Re: Ozric Tentacles quarlie@a... Sun 9/9/2001 2 KB 28996 Re: Ozric Tentacles simon heath Mon 9/10/2001 3 KB From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Mon Jun 7, 1999 2:47 pm Subject: Tech Talk Hello Carl and Jacqui, I think that one has to talk about the technology, to an extent, since it's so interwoven it to the fabric of TD history. They pioneered much of the technology we take for granted now and their sound is so dependant upon the technology. It'd be rather like talking about Edward Van Halen and not mentioning guitars or tecniques. What we have in TD is artistry AND sound science in one band. I think that's a rare and inspiring combination. Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16759 Re: Tech Talk Joe Shoults Mon 6/7/1999 2 KB 16763 Re: Tech Talk Poulton, Larry Tue 6/8/1999 3 KB 16765 Re: Tech Talk Jens Peschke Tue 6/8/1999 1 KB 16766 Re: Tech Talk Joe Shoults Tue 6/8/1999 2 KB From: 'Plumer, Scott' From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' > > i know that tangents has been a topic of discussion many times, but i > still have a question, well a request, reguarding the '5th disc' in the > set. could some1 please tell me what all of the unreleased titles on that > c.d are (a list of them) & if & on what other c.d's these songs are now > available. thanx so much for the help. > > mike Hope I'm not forgetting anything here... Vulcano (Froese) The Jogger (Froese/Schmoelling) South Dakota (Froese) Coppercoast (Froese) Great Barrier Reef (Froese) The Night At Ayers Rock (Froese) Afternoon On the Nile (Froese) Crane Routing (Froese) Silver Scale (Froese/Franke) Jamaican Monk (Froese) None of these are available on any other disc or collection. Gabe From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Anil Sahal [mailto:9148621s@u...] ... > I think that one has to talk about the technology, to an extent, > since it's > so interwoven it to the fabric of TD history. They pioneered much of the > technology we take for granted now and their sound is so > dependant upon the > technology. It'd be rather like talking about Edward Van Halen and not > mentioning guitars or tecniques. ... Agreed. As long as it pertains to TD and doesn't spiral off too far into totally off-topic stuff. Some of the folks on this list are composers/electronic musicians themselves and can contribute valuable info. Being musically illiterate myself, I understand about half of it, but am always interested. Speaking of which, we need more interview questions that have the technical slant to them. I don't think it is the best question to ask, 'What is your favorite synth?', but that's about the limit of my ability to formulate a question in this category. Can any of our musician friends contribute? -joe From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Jun 8, 1999 2:06 pm Subject: Re: tangents > The Night At Ayers Rock (Froese) > Afternoon On the Nile (Froese) > Crane Routing (Froese) > Silver Scale (Froese/Franke) > Jamaican Monk (Froese) > > None of these are available on any other disc or collection. > Gabe j.gordon here... except, Mike, that now, for the first time ever, you too can here Silver Scale, live and in concert (at least it WAS live and in concert... you get to hear it recorded and in your room... ;) on Valentine Wheels... Great toon, too... j.gordon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' Speaking of which, we need more interview questions that have the technical > slant to them. I don't think it is the best question to ask, 'What is your > favorite synth?', but that's about the limit of my ability to formulate a > question in this category. Can any of our musician friends contribute? > > -joe j.gordon here... hey, joe, you can just ask the band if they ever find themselves going through some terrible Moog swings... ;) j.gordon... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Poulton, Larry' > -----Original Message----- > From: Anil Sahal [mailto:9148621s@u...] ... > I think that one has to talk about the technology, to an extent, > since it's > so interwoven it to the fabric of TD history. They pioneered much of the > technology we take for granted now and their sound is so > dependant upon the > technology. It'd be rather like talking about Edward Van Halen and not > mentioning guitars or tecniques. ... Agreed. As long as it pertains to TD and doesn't spiral off too far into totally off-topic stuff. Some of the folks on this list are composers/electronic musicians themselves and can contribute valuable info. Being musically illiterate myself, I understand about half of it, but am always interested. Speaking of which, we need more interview questions that have the technical slant to them. I don't think it is the best question to ask, 'What is your favorite synth?', but that's about the limit of my ability to formulate a question in this category. Can any of our musician friends contribute? -joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ONElist: where real people with real interests get connected. http://www.onelist.com Join a new list today! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com _____________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Poulton, Larry [mailto:poultonl@n...] > In terms of sound synthesis, I am a FM believer, a la Yamaha DX range. Of > all the differing sound sythesis techniques, what do Edgar & Co > think offers > the greatest versitility/possibilities. Also, what do they see as the next > step forward in synthesis and are they playing an active role in > formulating > it? > From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Jens Peschke [mailto:jpeschke@h...] > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 2:14 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Tech Talk > > > From: 'Jens Peschke' > > It might be interesting what Ed's thinking of the > virtual annalogues technology which is floating around > recently. Do they consider using any of those like the Nord Modular > or the Waldorf Q ? > > Another interesting question would be how they rank the process of sound > creation, > compared to the musical composition and production. > > just ma 2 cenz > > Jens > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Where do some of the Internet's largest email lists reside? > http://www.onelist.com > At ONElist - the most scalable and reliable service on the Internet. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in > your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Jared White' From: 'Michael A. Jean' From: 'Jared White' > > Hi, folks, > > I'm thinking about getting Quinoa Extended from Amazon.com, and I'm > wondering if anyone has heard it. The sound clips at the TDI Web > site sound > very impressive, but I want to see what all your opinions are. > I'll probably > get it anyway, but I'm curious nonetheless. ;) > > Thanks, > > Jared > From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 1999 04:31 Subject: Re: [tadream] tangents > From: Gabe Yedid > > On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Mike Jr. J Schramer wrote: > > > From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' > > > > i know that tangents has been a topic of discussion many times, but i > > still have a question, well a request, reguarding the '5th disc' in the > > set. could some1 please tell me what all of the unreleased titles on that > > c.d are (a list of them) & if & on what other c.d's these songs are now > > available. thanx so much for the help. > > > > mike > > > Hope I'm not forgetting anything here... > > Vulcano (Froese) > The Jogger (Froese/Schmoelling) > South Dakota (Froese) > Coppercoast (Froese) > Great Barrier Reef (Froese) > The Night At Ayers Rock (Froese) > Afternoon On the Nile (Froese) > Crane Routing (Froese) > Silver Scale (Froese/Franke) > Jamaican Monk (Froese) > > None of these are available on any other disc or collection. > > > Gabe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ONElist: where real people with real interests get connected. > http://www.onelist.com > Join a new list today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: Mats Nordlinder From: 'Jared White' > > Hi, folks, > > I'm thinking about getting Quinoa Extended from Amazon.com, and I'm > wondering if anyone has heard it. The sound clips at the TDI Web site sound > very impressive, but I want to see what all your opinions are. I'll probably > get it anyway, but I'm curious nonetheless. ;) > > Thanks, > > Jared > > _________________________________________ > Jared White E-mail: jwhite@s... > > GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.adei.com > iReview: http://www.gaeldesign.adei.com/ireview > The Digital Fine Art Gallery: > http://www.gaeldesign.adei.com/gallery > > Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com > > Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite > > Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Congratulations to 'INDIE-GRRL,' our latest ONElist of the Week. > http://www.onelist.com > Visit our homepage and share with us how ONElist is changing YOUR life! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: 'Poulton, Larry' Date: Wed Jun 9, 1999 8:59 am Subject: Re: Anyone heard Quinoa Extended? I must admit to not being too impressed - the first track was the most worthy. Larry -----Original Message----- From: Mats Nordlinder [mailto:mats.nordlinder@e...] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 7:21 AM To: tadream@o... Subject: Re: [tadream] Anyone heard Quinoa Extended? From: Mats Nordlinder Get it, you won´t get dissipointed, it's super............... M a t s Jared White wrote: > From: 'Jared White' > > Hi, folks, > > I'm thinking about getting Quinoa Extended from Amazon.com, and I'm > wondering if anyone has heard it. The sound clips at the TDI Web site sound > very impressive, but I want to see what all your opinions are. I'll probably > get it anyway, but I'm curious nonetheless. ;) > > Thanks, > > Jared > > _________________________________________ > Jared White E-mail: jwhite@s... > > GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.adei.com > iReview: http://www.gaeldesign.adei.com/ireview > The Digital Fine Art Gallery: > http://www.gaeldesign.adei.com/gallery > > Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com > > Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite > > Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Congratulations to 'INDIE-GRRL,' our latest ONElist of the Week. > http://www.onelist.com > Visit our homepage and share with us how ONElist is changing YOUR life! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. 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If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: Mats Nordlinder From: Gabe Yedid From: 'John Marchington' > > I think you'll find that 'Silver Scale' is very similar to 'Church Theme' > (track 9) from the 'Wavelength' film soundtrack. That's because it *is* 'Church Theme' ;) Gabe From: Marcelo Gutierrez > From: 'John Marchington' > > > > I think you'll find that 'Silver Scale' is very similar to 'Church Theme' > > (track 9) from the 'Wavelength' film soundtrack. > > That's because it *is* 'Church Theme' ;) > > Gabe > That is a little misleading, 'Church Theme' is only the first 4 or 5 minutes of 'Silver Scale' after that, the tune becomes radically different. Marcelo From: 'Mike Jr. J Schramer' From: 'j.gordon' question 4 J. GORDON - could i have a list of all the songs off valentine > wheels? thanx. - on the mike j.gordon here... Here you go mike... strange that you couldn't access the album on the TDI site, eh? Anyway... 1. WATERBONE 2. BETRAYAL 3. POLAND 4. SUNDANCE KID 5. SILVER SCALE 6. WARSAW IN THE SUN 7. STRATOSFEAR 95 8. DOLPHIN DANCE 9. LE PARC 10. BEACH THEME It's really a great album... I highly recommend it... Keep sailing the Seas of Cheese... j.gordon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: Derk I got hold of 'Quinoa' a couple of days ago and I like it alot even if I >belong >to the 'the 80´s were better' boring type of guy.......but, here´s my >question : Newbie question here: what constitutes 'the 80's'? Is this the Schmoelling years? If so, what does this say about Quinoa, other than that it's not 80's? I've seen this disc in the stores but I haven't had the chance to listen to it yet. Derk From: Philip Clancy <106353.1044@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx Date: Thu Jun 10, 1999 11:02 am Subject: The Spinners Hey there Preacher Therapy??? You and me both brother. I've always thought that from the moment I heard it, so much so that I rarely listen to the album any more - could this be a case of plagiarism! Oooh Blasphemy better go. Later, Philip. Dublin,Ireland. From: 'Plumer, Scott' From: 'Jonathan Schick' From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Thu Jun 10, 1999 2:42 pm Subject: Re: Haslinger Can you descrbe 'Score' with some analogies to TD, Jonathan? Klemania is cool. Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: 'Jonathan Schick' Can you descrbe 'Score' with some analogies to TD, Jonathan? Anil *** unlike Franke's work, 'Score' is not like TD at all. Can't think of anything similar. Hip hop, some singing, sampling, noise. It seems it is a soundtrack. Anyone seen the movie? Tough to describe, especially since I only had the patience to listen to it once, and not the whole thing, at that. I doubt I'll get used to this one. In general, the best music is the hardest to get used to for me. But after coming to like something like that, I never get bored of it. I.e. Logos, Poland. But I don't think that the theory will apply here. Anyone else agree with that idea? ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16785 Re: Score Bennett Cookson Thu 6/10/1999 2 KB 16789 Re: Score Keith Richie Thu 6/10/1999 1 KB From: Bennett Cookson Date: Thu Jun 10, 1999 7:05 pm Subject: Re: Score >'In general, the best music is the hardest to get used to for me. But after coming to like something like that, I never get bored of it. ... But I don't think that the theory will apply here. Anyone else agree with that idea?' I agree on the album and on the theory. Score it not at all like TD, and except with the first track which is really 'Cool' I cannot listen to the rest of it. Far too noisy. I was hoping for something more classically based from Paul H. I love his piano on TD albums, at least I assume the piano parts in Alchemy of the Heart and 'song of the whale' are his. --Bennett ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking for a new hobby? Want to make a new friend? http://www.onelist.com Come join one of over 165,000 e-mail communities at ONElist! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Jun 10, 1999 7:20 pm Subject: Re: Haslinger > bought Haslinger's 'Score'. > > this is quite strange - not really to my taste. does anyone own this? > -any thoughts? Actually, I like it...but I think that's because I wasn't expecting it to sound like TD, and I'm *glad* that it doesn't. In fact, Paul's taste in music seems to be developing in a direction similar to my own. I listen to a fair bit of 'world' music, and trip hop/dance stuff - which were definitely an influence here. I'm happy to see Paul stretching out and trying new things. I find that the sound design on Score is far more interesting than anything TD is doing now. I particularly like Life, Lounge and Lesser Evils, which has a really smooth, organic feel to it...in fact, it has *soul*. In other words, it doesn't sound like it was composed on a computer, which is a problem that's plagued TD for some time now. The only thing Score lacks are strong melodies, which ends up making many of the songs unmemorable. Still, I give him an A for effort. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: tomm@e... (Tom Monaghan) Date: Thu Jun 10, 1999 9:24 pm Subject: Re: Haslinger I picked it up about a month ago and I think it's his best solo album. I think he's certainly found his niche and he's making it his own (which is just fine with me). Tom >bought Haslinger's 'Score'. > >this is quite strange - not really to my taste. does anyone own this? -any thoughts? > >On the other hand, I'm enjoying Franke's 'Klemania' a lot. > >Jonathan From: Keith Richie Date: Thu Jun 10, 1999 7:25 pm Subject: Re: Haslinger >From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> >Klemania is cool. >Anil Anyone know where I might be able to find a copy of Klemania? Is it still in print? or was it a collectors item. I remember getting something from Sonic Images a couple of years ago for it, but like an idiot, I never acted on it. Thanks in advance! From: Keith Richie Date: Thu Jun 10, 1999 7:27 pm Subject: Re: Score > From: 'Jonathan Schick' > In general, the best music is the hardest to get used to for me. But after coming to like something like that, I > never get bored of it. I.e. Logos, Poland. But I don't think that the theory will apply here. Anyone else agree > with that idea? I can't say that I'm sure about that theory , but Logos and Poland are a couple of my favorites, and if I remember right, I loved them the first time I heard them back in 84. Oh well, I do know what you're talking about though. Keith From: Joel Mullen Date: Thu Jun 10, 1999 9:38 pm Subject: Re: Haslinger On Thursday, June 10, 1999 2:25 PM, Keith Richie [SMTP:krichie@n...] wrote: > From: Keith Richie > > >From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > >Klemania is cool. > >Anil > > Anyone know where I might be able to find a copy of Klemania? Is it still > in print? > or was it a collectors item. > > I remember getting something from Sonic Images a couple of years ago for it, > but > like an idiot, I never acted on it. > > Thanks in advance! It is still available from www.sonicimages.com for $13.99 as are most of Franke's releases. They ship (pretty) fast and the prices are O.K. but if you search you can find better. From: 'Ray' Date: Thu Jun 10, 1999 11:09 pm Subject: Analogue Instruments What did Tangerine Dream do with all the old instruments - ie anologue equipment such as ARP Omni 'mini-moog' '2600 ARP synthesiser Melton etc. Have they ever considered doing a Rubycon 2, recorded with analogue equipment, but using todays digital recording quality, or any album but using old technology, and no computers etc?? A bit like what Jean Michel Jarre did on his follow up to Oxygene 1-6 from 1976, but on old equipment from 1976 in 1996?? R. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16792 Re: Analogue Instruments joe shoults Fri 6/11/1999 1 KB 16793 Re: Analogue Instruments TJames0001@a... Fri 6/11/1999 1 KB 16795 Re: Analogue Instruments Thomas Fri 6/11/1999 1 KB From: 'joe shoults' Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 4:04 am Subject: Re: Analogue Instruments > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray [mailto:ray.hallett@l...] ...> Have they ever considered doing a Rubycon 2, recorded with analogue > equipment, but using todays digital recording quality, or any album but > using old technology, and no computers etc?? Sounds like a good interview question. I'll add it. ...> What did Tangerine Dream do with all the old instruments > - ie anologue equipment such as ARP Omni 'mini-moog' '2600 ARP synthesiser > Melton etc. It's my understanding that all of this old equipment is stored away safely somewhere in Berlin. -joe From: TJames0001@a... Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 5:38 am Subject: Re: Analogue Instruments Hi, I thought maybe they sold it to Mark Shreeve of Redshift. Tom From: tadream-owner@O... Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 6:56 am Subject: New Survey Hello, There is a new survey for the tadream community. Best of Studio Albums Survey #5 of 5 covering different periods of TD studio-release albums: .................. The Seattle Years (1991-now) .................. Please select your single choice of the best album from the Melrose Years. ---- Possible answers are: o Quinoa (studio album 1992) o Rumplestiltskin (soundtrack 1991) o Transsiberia (soundtrack 1998) o What a Blast! (soundtrack 1999) o Zoning (soundtrack 1996) o Oasis (soundtrack 1996) o Tyranny of Beauty (studio 1994) o The Keep (soundtrack 1997) o Mars Polaris (event soundtrack 1999) o Goblin's Club (studio 1996) o Rockoon (studio 1992) o Turn of the Tides (studio 1994) o The Dream Mixes II (studio 1997) o Hollywood Years 1 (soundtrack compilation) o Hollywood Years 2 (soundtrack compilation) o The Dream Mixes (studio 1996) To vote, please visit the following web page: http://www.onelist.com/surveycenter/tadream Thanks! tadream Owner From: 'Thomas' From: 'joe shoults' > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ray [mailto:ray.hallett@l...] >...> What did Tangerine Dream do with all the old instruments >> - ie anologue equipment such as ARP Omni 'mini-moog' '2600 ARP synthesiser >> Melton etc. > >It's my understanding that all of this old equipment is stored away safely >somewhere in Berlin. > >-joe From: Derk From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 2:13 pm Subject: Re: Poland > Hi there, > > I'm confused about the Poland album. > > In Dave Datta's very comprehensive Discography > (http://www.hyperreal.org/music/library/discogs/tangerine_dream/discog) it says: > > 22.29 Poland > 19.59 Tangent > 4:01 Rare Bird (Not in track listings) > 18.00 Barbakane > 21.07 Horizon > > 2CD Relativity 88561-8045-2 > > But everywhere I ask I get told that there's only a single-CD version with > tracklisting as per above except Rare Bird. The catalog number of this > single-cd release is ESMCD 365. The total time of the above tracks is well > above the maximum that fits on one CD... > > I'm very interested in this album (since I loved Logos) but I don't want to > make the wrong choice so if anyone can straighten this out I would be very > grateful. > > Derk > Hi, The 2CD version by Relativity is the complete CD release of the original double LP with all tracks. But the 'Tangent' (19.59) already contains 'Rare Bird'. This double CD release is the closest one to the original double LP. Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 1:27 pm Subject: Poland Derk, There was a single CD version of Poland but it clearly said on the front 'Extracts from the Warsaw Concert'. Avoid this one. I have the original double which is the full monty. I assumed that they were able to compress the whole concert onto one CD which is why the later single CD version came out which should have the full monty on it too. If in doubt, buy it from HMV or Virgin so that you can take it back with the usual 'not suitable' excuse. Poland is a top album. The first side is a true gem. You will not be disappointed. Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16800 Re: Poland Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Fri 6/11/1999 1 KB 16803 Re: Poland Joel Mullen Fri 6/11/1999 5 KB 18070 Poland Gustavo Jobim Sat 9/25/1999 1 KB 33310 Poland Morgan Feldon Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB 34021 Poland Morgan Feldon Fri 5/17/2002 4 KB 34041 Re: Poland Mark Filipak Sat 5/18/2002 2 KB 38652 Poland Administrator dale1kay Fri 1/31/2003 2 KB 38670 Re: Poland Andrew flyingfish1uk Sat 2/1/2003 3 KB 38678 Re: Poland dreamsector dreamsector Sat 2/1/2003 2 KB From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: Derk > >Hi there, > >I'm confused about the Poland album. Hi Derk, Check out the tadream archives on onelist - we discussed this about a month ago and someone (Joel, I think) posted a list of all the different versions. There was a 2CD version, but I think you'll have a hard time tracking it down now. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bennett Cookson The Dream Roots Collection showcases material written by yourself and Chris after Johannes left. Given the high quality of this music, why did you feel that another band member had to be enlisted? Perhaps the list may want to offer some suggestions for the reasoning. Personally, the Ed, Chris, and Paul era is my favorite -> Prime example: Underwater sunlight --Bennett From: Sean Montgomery From: Joel Mullen From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > > > >From: Derk > > > >Hi there, > > > >I'm confused about the Poland album. > > Hi Derk, > > Check out the tadream archives on onelist - we discussed this about a month ago > and someone (Joel, I think) posted a list of all the different versions. > > There was a 2CD version, but I think you'll have a hard time tracking it down > now. > Here it goes again! (I have all these so the list is accurate) Joel ****************************************** POLAND:The Warsaw Concert Relativity 88561-8045-2 (1984 USA) ****************************************** 2CD set, blue & black printing on silver CDs, color cover Total time both CDs - 81:47 (actual) Tracks ******** Listed tracks--- Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:29) (2) Tangent (19:59) Disc 2-- (1) Barbakane (18:00) (2) Horizon (21:07) Actual tracks--- Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:37) (2) Tangent(15:53) (3) Rare Bird (4:01) Disc 2-- (1) Barbakane (18:05) (2) Horizon (21:10) ****************************************** POLAND:The Warsaw Concert Relativity 88561-8045-2 (1984 USA) ****************************************** 2CD set, brown & black printing on silver CDs, color cover Total time both CDs - 81:45 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:29) (actual 22:36) (2) Tangent (19:59) (actual 19:55) Disc 2-- (1) Barbakane (18:00) (actual 18:04) (2) Horizon (21:07) (actual 21:10) *************************************************** POLAND:The Warsaw Concert (remastered) Sequel 1044-2 (1996 USA) *************************************************** 1CD set, white printing on a blue-green CD, color cover Total time - 77:04 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:00) (actual 22:26) (2) Tangent (19:52) (actual 19:55) (3) Barbakane (13:49) (actual 19:53) (4) Horizon (20:49) (actual 20:50) *************************************************** POLAND:The Warsaw Concert (remastered) Castle ESM CD 365 (1996 England) *************************************************** 1CD set, silver printing on a blue-green CD, color cover Total time - 77:04 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:00) (actual 22:26) (2) Tangent (19:52) (actual 19:55) (3) Barbakane (13:49) (actual 19:53) (4) Horizon (20:49) (actual 20:50) **************************************************** Extracts from POLAND:The Warsaw Concert Jive Electro 8.26099 (1984 W. Germany) **************************************************** 1CD set, blue printing on a silver CD, color cover Total time - 57:16 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:00) (actual 22:28) (2) Barbakane (13:53) (actual 13:55) (3) Horizon (20:52) (actual 20:52) **************************************************** Extracts from POLAND:The Warsaw Concert Jive CHIP 22 (19?? Austria) **************************************************** 1CD set, black printing on a silver CD, b/w cover Total time - 57:14 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (actual 22:25) (2) Barbakane (actual 13:56) (3) Horizon (actual 20:53) **no track times listed, times are off the CD player** **************************************************** Extracts from POLAND:The Warsaw Concert Jive CHIP 22 (19?? Austria) **************************************************** 1CD set, black printing on a *24k gold* CD, b/w cover Total time - 57:14 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (actual 22:25) (2) Barbakane (actual 13:56) (3) Horizon (actual 20:53) **no track times listed, times are off the CD player** ********************************************** POLAND:The Warsaw Concert no catalog number (Russian Counterfeit) ********************************************** 1CD set, silver/black printing on a purple CD, color cover This is a reproduction of either the Castle or Sequel remaster Total time - 77:04 (actual) Tracks ******** Disc 1-- (1) Poland (22:00) (actual 22:26) (2) Tangent (19:52) (actual 19:55) (3) Barbakane (13:49) (actual 19:53) (4) Horizon (20:49) (actual 20:50) There are also these CDs (that I do not have)----- Jive CHIP 22 (made in Canada) Jive CHIP 22 (made in France) ***brown front cover*** Jive/Alfa 32XB-221 (made in Japan) Jive/CNR 573.003/4 (made in Holland) ***existence unknown*** From: 'Miguel Farah F.' // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel <*> 'Trust me - I know what I'm doing.' - Sledge Hammer From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung From: 'Michael A. Jean' From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung From: 'Michael A. Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung [mailto:pergamon@h...] > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 1999 10:19 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] 2nd post reg. Mars Polaris CD > > > From: Jeffrey Au-Yeung > > Hi > > Result of the first spin: > > Track 8 called 'Astrophobia' is the best sounding track of the > Cd. For a while I thought Chris Franke was still with the group! > Track 1, 5 and 6 are also very nice. On the whole, the CD is > filled with mid-paced > tracks, not the long slow tracks that I first thought would be > like Zeit with a new 90s interpretation sort of thing. > > Jeffrey > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ONElist: where real people with real interests get connected. > http://www.onelist.com > Join a new list today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in > your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'Michael A. Jean' Result of the first spin: > > Track 8 called 'Astrophobia' is the best sounding track of the > Cd. For a while I thought Chris Franke was still with the group! Cool.... > Track 1, 5 and 6 are also very nice. On the whole, the CD is > filled with mid-paced > tracks, not the long slow tracks that I first thought would be > like Zeit with a new 90s interpretation sort of thing. > I think I a few people wopuld really like some Zeit sounding piece, but I am happy to hear there is some 'life' to it.... Thanks for the update...I don;'t suppose the TD site has excerpts from this on it yet..... Did you get the CAn Atilla disc...that is very nice! > Jeffrey > > > -- From: 'Michael A. Jean' From: 'Jonathan Schick' From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' From: 'Jonathan Schick' > >wasn't Tangents a 5 CD set? it's advertised on that Yahoo auction as 4 CDs. > >Please let me know soon as the bidding will shut down within a few hours. > Clearly, the seller doesn't know his... ahem (oh, the temptation)... CDs from CD cases... There are 5 CDs, but CDs #4 and #5 are in one CD jewel box. Most likely, you are seeing the genuine stuff, as it's being sold by a commercial entity. I will look at the listing and unless you hear from me within the next 30 minutes, it is safe to proceed. Good luck with the bidding. Ciao, Andrew From: 'kayleigh' From: 'j.gordon' I hope somebody from the gig will tell us if the concert venue has > something similar or different to offer. j.gordon here... Well, boys and ...er, more boys... fresh back from the weekend in Osnabruck... What a weekend... I'm sure there were several off the list there, so I will give you some over-view type impressions and if anyone is interested in a play by play, let me know... The town was awash in Klangart posters... several different events were going on... I wandered the town for a while picking up some CDs I don't yet have... (ended up with a new 'best-of' release that I'm not sure if it's been mentioned... maybe... called just 'Tangerine Dream'... released this year by a Holland company called Disky... see below for a list of tracks... it's actually a really nice choice of songs...) Anyway, ended up running into a guy from Australia (a 'Collector') who had flown all the way from Australia for the concert... spent some time with him and other 'collectors'... ho-boy... met the guy (forgot his name) who is supposed to have the world's largest collection... he handed out his catalog of items... ever seen the sears catalog? Anyway, the pre-concert... They had Mars Polaris T-shirts on sale as well as the shirt released with Valentine Wheels... also TDI watches, the Three Phases video, The Luminous video, signed copies of the Dream Dice box, and pretty much every album in the TDI catalog... including the Limited Edition Maxi CD with Maechen... Needless to say, Mars Polaris was sold out before intermission was over... The concert... hummmmmm baby! The pre-show 'music' was 'space-talk' between mission control and some astronauts... the whole audience (about 1000-1200 people) was awash in blue lights... They had about 20 giant blue ballons (about 2 meters (6.5 feet) in diameter that had been released into the audience and were being bounced around... walking into the auditorium with the space talk and the slowly bouncing, floating balloons actually gave me the impression of being on some space training (or at least like I imagine space training would be...) Was three rows from the stage, on the left side... best concert yet... The Mars Polaris disc is 71:03 and they stretched it out to be about 95 in concert (with encore) (mostly bridges; so to answer Jeffery's request: the concert was pretty much what you hear on the album, with the odd addition)... the entire concert they had a video playing on the back screen... 60% percent of the video was of space (the first fifteen-twenty minutes was a shuttle launch and subsequent drifting through space) and the rest was computer generated images... the sound was loud... really loud... for many of the bass notes, my pant legs were vibrating against my legs from just the air... I was deaf in my left ear at intermission and after the concert... The whole thing was worth it just for the first song being done live to the video of a space shuttle launch... but the rest was no disappointment... Z.P. was there, being very subdued, but adding perfectly to the blend... no problem with too many notes here, for sure... in fact the only time he really broke away and did something was during the encore (which, I'm sure some will shoot me over this, but though they played an encore of four songs, I only remember Waterbourne, the first one... sorry... I was shagged by that point, to be honest...)... in any case, he was very mellow and relaxed and you hardly knew he was there, which was a wee bit of a bummer... However, on the left side of the stage was Emil, whom you couldn't help but notice... except for his drumming (sorry, here to the Emil fans... all of the percussion he added was done electronically on the CD... I don't think he added anything at all but another body on the stage badly in need of a hair cut... say no more...) Anyway, Edgar and Jerome did their thing... Jerome played his little drum pad at one point... Edgar smiled several times... It was really a great concert... much better, I think, than the '97 tour and as good as the '92 tour (220volt... the 'premiere' of Linda)... As for the music... IMHumbleO, this is the best album since before Paul... I realize that's quite a jump, but I really feel it's so (Track number 1 is by far and away, the best track, though every track has got it's place)... the blend of Jerome's techno feel into the music is fairly subtle but adds a really strong driving beat... I think that we are finally in the groove of this new sound that I have been foretelling... we heard traces of it in Transsiberia, saw it coming to life in What a Blast and are now seeing a real emergance here... Edgar invited us all to a drink at a local beer pub where DJ Rome would be on the turntables at 1:30... I couldn't stand up anymore at 1:15 just to hear some drum and bass mixed by the young one, so I went to bed... Boys, if you are going to buy an album in the next couple of weeks, put this one at the top of your list... you won't be disappointed... sorry y'all couldn't be there, but I listened for each and everyone of you... ;) j.gordon Track listing for Tangerine Dream: 1. Beach Theme 3:44 2. Scrap Yard 4:40 3. Love on a Real Train 3:58 4. Burning Bar 3:11 5. The Dream is Always the Same 3:42 6. Exit 5:35 7. the Big Sleep in Search of Hades 4:26 8. Choronzon 4:08 9. Movements of a Visionary 7:55 10. Pilots of the Purple Twilight 4:21 11. Cloudburst Flight 7:26 12. Doctor Destructo 3:18 13. Cinnamon Road 3:57 14. Cherokee Lane (live) 8:10 np: Mars Polaris j.gordon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16815 Re: Mars Polaris CD /concert Jens Peschke Sun 6/13/1999 1 KB 16819 Re: Mars Polaris CD /concert John Marchington Mon 6/14/1999 7 KB 16820 Re: Mars Polaris CD /concert cosmos Mon 6/14/1999 3 KB 16822 Re: Mars Polaris CD /concert Gabe Yedid Mon 6/14/1999 1 KB 16823 Re: Mars Polaris CD /concert Jeffrey Au Yeung Mon 6/14/1999 1 KB 16834 Re: Mars Polaris CD /concert j.gordon Tue 6/15/1999 1 KB From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'kayleigh' From: 'j.gordon' Was three rows from the stage, on the left side... best concert yet... The > Mars > Polaris disc is 71:03 and they stretched it out to be about 95 in concert > (with > encore) (mostly bridges; so to answer Jeffery's request: the concert was > pretty > much what you hear on the album, with the odd addition j.gordon here... Re-read my own posting this morning and realized in addition to the many spelling and puncuation errors (hey, I said it was a long weekend...;), one of my spelling omissions resulted in an error... the fist half of the show was 50 minutes and the second half was 45... making just the show (Mars Polaris) 95 minutes... withOUT the encore, which was about 20 -25 minutes... sorry about that for those who were sitting around scratching their head with the math of it all... j.gordon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Monday, 14 June 1999 08:09 Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris CD /concert > From: 'j.gordon' > > > I hope somebody from the gig will tell us if the concert venue has > > something similar or different to offer. > > j.gordon here... > > Well, boys and ...er, more boys... fresh back from the weekend in Osnabruck... > What a weekend... > > I'm sure there were several off the list there, so I will give you some > over-view type impressions and if anyone is interested in a play by play, let > me know... > > The town was awash in Klangart posters... several different events were going > on... I wandered the town for a while picking up some CDs I don't yet have... > (ended up with a new 'best-of' release that I'm not sure if it's been > mentioned... maybe... called just 'Tangerine Dream'... released this year by a > Holland company called Disky... see below for a list of tracks... it's actually > a really nice choice of songs...) > > Anyway, ended up running into a guy from Australia (a 'Collector') who had > flown all the way from Australia for the concert... spent some time with him > and other 'collectors'... ho-boy... met the guy (forgot his name) who is > supposed to have the world's largest collection... he handed out his catalog of > items... ever seen the sears catalog? > > Anyway, the pre-concert... They had Mars Polaris T-shirts on sale as well as > the shirt released with Valentine Wheels... also TDI watches, the Three Phases > video, The Luminous video, signed copies of the Dream Dice box, and pretty much > every album in the TDI catalog... including the Limited Edition Maxi CD with > Maechen... Needless to say, Mars Polaris was sold out before intermission was > over... > > The concert... hummmmmm baby! The pre-show 'music' was 'space-talk' between > mission control and some astronauts... the whole audience (about 1000-1200 > people) was awash in blue lights... They had about 20 giant blue ballons (about > 2 meters (6.5 feet) in diameter that had been released into the audience and > were being bounced around... walking into the auditorium with the space talk > and the slowly bouncing, floating balloons actually gave me the impression of > being on some space training (or at least like I imagine space training would > be...) > > Was three rows from the stage, on the left side... best concert yet... The Mars > Polaris disc is 71:03 and they stretched it out to be about 95 in concert (with > encore) (mostly bridges; so to answer Jeffery's request: the concert was pretty > much what you hear on the album, with the odd addition)... the entire concert > they had a video playing on the back screen... 60% percent of the video was of > space (the first fifteen-twenty minutes was a shuttle launch and subsequent > drifting through space) and the rest was computer generated images... the sound > was loud... really loud... for many of the bass notes, my pant legs were > vibrating against my legs from just the air... I was deaf in my left ear at > intermission and after the concert... The whole thing was worth it just for the > first song being done live to the video of a space shuttle launch... but the > rest was no disappointment... > > Z.P. was there, being very subdued, but adding perfectly to the blend... no > problem with too many notes here, for sure... in fact the only time he really > broke away and did something was during the encore (which, I'm sure some will > shoot me over this, but though they played an encore of four songs, I only > remember Waterbourne, the first one... sorry... I was shagged by that point, to > be honest...)... in any case, he was very mellow and relaxed and you hardly > knew he was there, which was a wee bit of a bummer... > > However, on the left side of the stage was Emil, whom you couldn't help but > notice... except for his drumming (sorry, here to the Emil fans... all of the > percussion he added was done electronically on the CD... I don't think he added > anything at all but another body on the stage badly in need of a hair cut... > say no more...) > > Anyway, Edgar and Jerome did their thing... Jerome played his little drum pad > at one point... Edgar smiled several times... > > It was really a great concert... much better, I think, than the '97 tour and as > good as the '92 tour (220volt... the 'premiere' of Linda)... > > As for the music... IMHumbleO, this is the best album since before Paul... I > realize that's quite a jump, but I really feel it's so (Track number 1 is by > far and away, the best track, though every track has got it's place)... the > blend of Jerome's techno feel into the music is fairly subtle but adds a really > strong driving beat... I think that we are finally in the groove of this new > sound that I have been foretelling... we heard traces of it in Transsiberia, > saw it coming to life in What a Blast and are now seeing a real emergance > here... > > Edgar invited us all to a drink at a local beer pub where DJ Rome would be on > the turntables at 1:30... I couldn't stand up anymore at 1:15 just to hear some > drum and bass mixed by the young one, so I went to bed... > > Boys, if you are going to buy an album in the next couple of weeks, put this > one at the top of your list... you won't be disappointed... > > sorry y'all couldn't be there, but I listened for each and everyone of you... > ;) > > j.gordon > > > > Track listing for Tangerine Dream: > 1. Beach Theme 3:44 > 2. Scrap Yard 4:40 > 3. Love on a Real Train 3:58 > 4. Burning Bar 3:11 > 5. The Dream is Always the Same 3:42 > 6. Exit 5:35 > 7. the Big Sleep in Search of Hades 4:26 > 8. Choronzon 4:08 > 9. Movements of a Visionary 7:55 > 10. Pilots of the Purple Twilight 4:21 > 11. Cloudburst Flight 7:26 > 12. Doctor Destructo 3:18 > 13. Cinnamon Road 3:57 > 14. Cherokee Lane (live) 8:10 > > np: Mars Polaris > > j.gordon > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for your kindred spirit? > http://www.onelist.com > Go to ONElist: where kindred spirits connect and stay connected. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: cosmos > Was three rows from the stage, on the left side... best concert yet... The >> Mars >> Polaris disc is 71:03 and they stretched it out to be about 95 in concert >> (with >> encore) (mostly bridges; so to answer Jeffery's request: the concert was >> pretty >> much what you hear on the album, with the odd addition > >j.gordon here... > >Re-read my own posting this morning and realized in addition to the many >spelling and puncuation errors (hey, I said it was a long weekend...;), one of >my spelling omissions resulted in an error... the fist half of the show was 50 >minutes and the second half was 45... making just the show (Mars Polaris) 95 >minutes... withOUT the encore, which was about 20 -25 minutes... > >sorry about that for those who were sitting around scratching their head with >the math of it all... > hello j.gordon well i can add i was sitting very near to you with my girlfriend. second row on the left third and fourth chair from the aisle !!!! and indeed as you said it was a great show / gig. specially the second set which was a complete highlight. for me and my girlfriend it was just over before we knew. 45 minutes were passing like 5 minutes :) in this second set the music and the lights and background slides were completely one. you were totally in space during this. it was nice to see the drumming parts perform as emil was only 5 meters from us away. and indeed edgar smiled several times, specially during the second part as it flows really good. there was a very good atmosphere in the hall too. the merchandising was quite cheap. the regular cd's costed only 25 german marks. i considered in buying as TD-watch for 75 marks, but my girlfriend said you ain't gonna wear at all, and she is probably right. the t-shirts costed 30 marks and the rest of the merchandising was nothing which was specially for this gig, so this time no limited editions. i even saw lots of girls attending this gig and even counted 5 little kids who were there with their parents. so lots of young generation fans. but it wasn't sold out. and yes the new mars polaris cd is indeed recommended. this tangerine dream at their best and remember were are living in 1999 and it isn't the seventies anymore. this for all the 'fans' who are still complaining about those 'old good times'. i think their music perfect, it's a good mixture of space and rhythmic music. and i like it very much. greetings andre From: 'Joe Shoults' From: Gabe Yedid From: Jeffrey Au Yeung From: 'j.gordon' > j.gordon here... Hi J Gordon, thanks a lot for giving us a detailed account of the concert. > Anyway, the pre-concert... They had Mars Polaris T-shirts on sale as well as > the shirt released with Valentine Wheels... also TDI watches, Any more description of the T-shirt and watches? Also the posters and backstage passes (if any)? > ( I'm sure some will > shoot me over this, but though they played an encore of four songs, I only > remember Waterbourne, the first one... sorry... I was shagged by that point, to > be honest...) Anybody else could fill us in which encores were played? Jeffrey From: 'koulos' From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'Jens Peschke' From: Rainer Rutka http://home.t-online.de/home/rutka - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16828 Re: PICUTES FROM OSNABRUECK ON THE NET ! Joe Shoults Mon 6/14/1999 1 KB 16835 Re: PICUTES FROM OSNABRUECK ON THE NET ! Rainer Rutka Tue 6/15/1999 1 KB 16836 Re: PICUTES FROM OSNABRUECK ON THE NET ! j.gordon Tue 6/15/1999 1 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Rainer Rutka [mailto:rainer@i...] ...> NEW-button. Afterwards select the Klangart-Button. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Klangart - Osnabrueck - Pictures > TD-Page -> http://home.t-online.de/home/rutka > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > From: John Gentile What a blast 2. Valentine Wheels 3. Hollywood years vol. 1 4. Atlantic Walls 5. Atlantic Bridges 6. Ambient Monkeys 7. Transsiberia 8. Quinoa Extended 9. S/T (what is this one please) Thanks John Gentile piano_man@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16833 Re: TD CDs to buy j.gordon Tue 6/15/1999 1 KB 16839 Re: TD CDs to buy Glenn Reinicke Tue 6/15/1999 1 KB 16840 Re: TD CDs to buy Marcelo Gutierrez Wed 6/16/1999 1 KB 16841 Re: TD CDs to buy paul a brierley Tue 6/15/1999 3 KB 16843 Re: TD CDs to buy paul a brierley Tue 6/15/1999 4 KB 16852 Re: TD CDs to buy John Gentile Wed 6/16/1999 2 KB 16854 Re: TD CDs to buy John Gentile Wed 6/16/1999 4 KB From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Jared White' -----Original Message----- > From: Gabe Yedid [mailto:gabe@c...] > > --is there anything really new (for TD) here, musically? Is this > really the next big thing for TD? Or is this fundamentally just the > same '90s TD we've all come to love (or hate), but with a new soundset? > Or, better yet, is it another modernized retread of older TD? Just curious -- why *should* TD do anything new musically, anyway? What's so great about 'new'? I *like* what they've been doing in the 90's! > --is it consistently strong throughout, or 3/4 filler and only a few > really worthwhile tracks? Well, it can't all be equally incredible. :) > --is the album at all memorable? Does it stand up well to repeated > listening? I have yet to come across a TD album that isn't memorable. As to repeated listening? Well, Lily on the Beach is the only TD album I don't really *enjoy* listening to. But, then again, there are a *lot* of TD albums I don't have.... > On a side note, I find it interesting how this album is billed on the TDI > web site. I have had this nagging feeling that since 1995, TD has > been doing 'biding time' albums, while keeping their next really great > project for an extended stay on the back burner. Is it possible the band > actually agrees? ;) (That bit about it being the 'long awaited new album > since 1996') > > I guess I am eagerly waiting to hear Mars Polaris--if for no other reason > than to have a change from all those less-than-1-hr albums of the past > few years... I hope you mean since 1996.... Really, I'm not that worried about Mars Polaris. IMHO, if Mars Polaris is simply a enhancement/refinement of the 90's TD sound, I'll be perfectly happy. If Mars Polaris is a modern version of older TD styles, I'll be quite content. And if Mars Polaris is what I think it is (a combination of both, plus a new sound not quite like anything we've heard yet), I'll be so excited that I won't even be able to sit down at my computer to read the latest TD list messages! ;) Go TD! Jared _____________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@s... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com iReview: http://www.gaeldesign.com/ireview The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: 'j.gordon' Alright, the comments about _Mars Polaris_ have started to come in...so > far we have 3-4 positive and 1 negative. While it's nice to hear that > the music fits its concept well and has lots of new sounds in it, it > remains to be seen if it satisfies the following criteria that would make > it a really successful TD album: Caveat number one: it can be easy to forget how subjective a word like successful is... successful for whom? TD? You mean if they sell over 100,000 albums? You mean for each fan? Does it make it into the latest top ten list for each one of us? For TDI? Did they sell more of Mars Polaris over the net than any other album? Success is gauged in many ways, even by one individual or group... however, I will assume that you mean by the term successful 'If it meets the following points, then for me (Gabe), it will be an album worth it's weight (as maybe compared to some of the albums of the past decade which couldn't seem to match up)' and proceed from that point... ;) > --is there anything really new (for TD) here, musically? Is this > really the next big thing for TD? Or is this fundamentally just the > same '90s TD we've all come to love (or hate), but with a new soundset? > Or, better yet, is it another modernized retread of older TD? Jared had a point on his posting... as we've seen, new (for TD) musically isn't necessary a step in the direction we (as fans) might wish they would go... I point to the surplus of gripes, whinges and otherwise discontentment with many of the releases of the last decade... (though I don't think this is what you had in mind when you made your point, Jared... sorry for the out-of-context reference... ;)... but one can say yes, there is something really new here (one more time: subjective reasoning abounds) and that would be: a really smooth integration of bits and pieces of their major styles over the last twenty years, albeit an emphasis on the newer (last ten years)... and yes, (where's my crystaline ball), this is the next big thing for TD... it is at the same time, the same old 90's and another modernized retread and something new... that is what makes it a new sound... TD progression has been, with one real blaring exception that I can see, fairly gradual (that exception being OR)... this is not another OR change... one of the main reasons IMO for the radical break in style and sound at the end of the 80's was the departure of C.F... the release of his influence was a ripple in the progression and we saw a departure and break in style only to have it re-emerge almost simultaneously with a new structure that has been in force for the last decade... we won't see the same thing here (unless Ed really is leaving)... as there are no new 'influences'... but, mark my words, this is something new... > --is it consistently strong throughout, or 3/4 filler and only a few > really worthwhile tracks? From my perspective, the albums from OR to say, TOB or so (most of everything else until Transsiberia is re-hash or live, with the exception of a release of 'older' material on Quiona) and each album contains individual songs... 5 to 9 minutes pieces (for the most part) of encapsulated tone, each separate from it's neighbour... with Mars Polaris we can see (i.e.: I can see) something changing... yes, it's true there are ten tracks on this album, BUT - it is a very small step to seeing them as one piece... the structure and sounds make it flow from one piece to the next very smoothly; so instead of just one track after another, it can be heard as different movements of the same piece... now I realize that I have an advantage in seeing this perspective as I saw it in concert with each bridged to the next... but I also have this to help me into the insight... for example, I found track 7 - Mars Mission Counter - to be a bit flat, but when I listened to it in context of connecting track 6 and 8 as well as being a subtle movement in itself, the piece really came out of it's 2D shell (my own subjective (and limited) viewpoint of the track origianlly)... this is (just) one of the prime pointers, IMO, to a 'new' style... a good blend of the 'track' influence of the 90s with the 'epic' influence of the 70s and 80s... so, my suggestion in this light is to try and listen at times with that in mind... it's all one piece with seperate movements... see if your perception of the album changes, shifts, grows or contracts... > --is the album at all memorable? Does it stand up well to repeated > listening? That depends on what you think makes and album memorable. Stratosphere is not, IMHO, very 'memorable' in the same way I think FM is... however, both stand up to the repeated listening test without a problem... will Mars Polaris?... that is a big question... time, for me, tells more of a story... over the years, what albums have I listened to repeatedly?... once the first spurt of repetition is past (say the first three months), how does it stand up against the repeat test?... IMHO, Mars Polaris will stand up with some of the best TD albums... > On a side note, I find it interesting how this album is billed on the TDI > web site. I have had this nagging feeling that since 1995, TD has > been doing 'biding time' albums, while keeping their next really great > project for an extended stay on the back burner. Is it possible the band > actually agrees? ;) (That bit about it being the 'long awaited new album > since 1996') It may be so, it may be so... though What a Blast I think, is also a harbinger of this new style, as well... do you think it might have been planned this way... seems a bit sci-fi, but very plausible... > I guess I am eagerly waiting to hear Mars Polaris--if for no other reason > than to have a change from all those less-than-1-hr albums of the past > few years... Yes, I agree... there is no disappointment in this album, either with music or with length... happy listening... j.gordon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: 'j.gordon' From: 'j.gordon' Hi J Gordon, thanks a lot for giving us a detailed account of the concert. my pleasure, jeffery... > > Anyway, the pre-concert... They had Mars Polaris T-shirts on sale as well > as > > the shirt released with Valentine Wheels... also TDI watches, > > Any more description of the T-shirt and watches? Also the posters and > backstage passes (if any)? http://home.t-online.de/home/rutka (click on the new button) is the best place to go to see what these look like... j.gordon... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Rainer Rutka From: 'Joe Shoults' > Great pictures, Rainer! Thank you ;-) > in http://home.t-online.de/home/rutka/osna_16.jpg, is that Ed actually > saying something to the audience?? -joe Well, if I remember well, he's saying something like 'Thank you all - it was a pleasure....' and so on. Edgar was in a good and friendly mood (IMO). Rainer PS: Are any tapes from the concert ?! --------------------------------------------------------------------- TD-page (Osanbrueck) -> http://home.t-online.de/home/rutka - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'j.gordon' Well, if I remember well, he's saying something like 'Thank you all - it > was a pleasure....' and so on. Edgar was in a good and friendly mood (IMO). Yeah, he was... in both German and English, he thanked all the people who had come from Austrailia, the UK, the US and other far-away places and invited the entire crowd out for a beer with him and jerome... TD has a really large German following, in case y'all didn't know... > Rainer > PS: Are any tapes from the concert ?! I'll let you know... ;) j.gordon... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Tue Jun 15, 1999 9:24 am Subject: Duh! I seem to have missed something. Is Mars/Polaris a TD release/concery series? I was talking to my local TD CD supplier yesterday, who claims that it is TDI themsleves who are limiting the number of TD CDs (for whatever reason). Pinnacle (?UK ditributor?) say they can't get TD CDs for love nor money. Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16838 Re: Duh! Gabe Yedid Tue 6/15/1999 1 KB 16842 Re: Duh! paul a brierley Tue 6/15/1999 2 KB 16844 Re: Duh! paul a brierley Tue 6/15/1999 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > > I seem to have missed something. Is Mars/Polaris a TD release/concery series? It's TD's new album for this year, and apparently their next big thing. It was premiered at this 'concept concert' at the Klangart Festival in Osnabrueck, Germany. > I was talking to my local TD CD supplier yesterday, who claims that it is > TDI themsleves who are limiting the number of TD CDs (for whatever reason). The reason should be clear as....[oops, comment muffled] > Anil Gabe From: Glenn Reinicke j.gordon here... >my two cents says: >1. What a blast >2. Valentine Wheels >3. Quinoa Extended >4. Ambient Monkeys >5. Transsiberia >6. Hollywood years vol. 1 >7. Atlantic Walls >8. Atlantic Bridges >9. S/T (what is this one please) >you got me... I have no idea... I think S/T has cuts from Phaedra and Rubycon on it. As far as What A Blast is concerned, every review I've read said it isn't so great. Valentine Wheels is very good and Transiberia has some good cuts on it. Quinoa is probably the best one after VW, but I haven't heard Hollywood Years. Atlantic xxxxx is just more compilation nonsense. Good for first time buyers. From: Marcelo Gutierrez I think S/T has cuts from Phaedra and Rubycon on it. As far as > What A Blast is concerned, every review I've read said it isn't so > great. Funny, every review I have read say that it is the best TD in a long time, I just got it myself but I have only listen to it once, but love the first and second cuts, they have a 'Keep'esque feel about them, what I mean is that the voicing and the mood of these cuts reminds me of the OST of the 'Keep' (the movie OST, not the TDI version of the OST) Marcelo From: paul a brierley From: John Gentile > > Hi All > piano_man here with a question I am able to buy some imports that > were not available to me before in Michigan anyway they are as follows: (I > will be buying all of them but I would like opinions of what ranking you > would give of these CDs so I will buy them first) > 1> What a blast > 2. Valentine Wheels > 3. Hollywood years vol. 1 > 4. Atlantic Walls > 5. Atlantic Bridges > 6. Ambient Monkeys > 7. Transsiberia > 8. Quinoa Extended > 9. S/T (what is this one please) > > Thanks > John Gentile > piano_man@m... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > How has ONElist changed your life? > Share your story with us at http://www.onelist.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: paul a brierley Date: Tue Jun 15, 1999 5:18 pm Subject: Re: Duh! Hi Anil. I buy all of my Tangerine Dream CD's mail order from these guys. Compact Disc Services. 40/42 Brantwood Avenue Dundee DD3 6EW U.K E-Mail CDser@a... Happy listening. PaulB Macclesfield Cheshire U.K. Anil Sahal wrote: > From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > > I seem to have missed something. Is Mars/Polaris a TD release/concery series? > > I was talking to my local TD CD supplier yesterday, who claims that it is > TDI themsleves who are limiting the number of TD CDs (for whatever reason). > Pinnacle (?UK ditributor?) say they can't get TD CDs for love nor money. > > Anil > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > Anil Sahal > Motoneurone Research Group > Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems > West Medical Building > University of Glasgow > Glasgow > Scotland > G12 8QQ > 0141-339-8855 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > What do lizards and rock music have in common? > http://www.onelist.com > They both have communities at ONElist. Find yours today! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: paul a brierley Date: Tue Jun 15, 1999 5:23 pm Subject: Re: TD CDs to buy > Hi John. > > I have nearly all of these CD,s except nos 4/5/& 9. There all > excellent and it is hard to say which ones I would get first. > > Quiona is I think one of the finest TD albums I have heard for a long > time so maybe this one should be your first choice. Now at 50 minutes > it remains a classic slice of Tang D music, the two extra tracks which > they have added are not only as good as the amazing opener but > together they have made one of the most essential TD cd's of the > decade. The eleven min track 'Voxel Ux' is just superb with all the > trade marks of Tangerine Dream. This is the album which you will play > to death. > > Next on your list is probably Hollywood years vol. 1. this cd has > lots of toe tapping rhythms the track I like is Chronos mile. What a > Blast and Valentine Wheels are also get albums. Transsiberia is a > great cd but it has a little more 'drum and bass' the tracks are good > and it is still an album worth having. > > I don't like Ambient monkeys. This is the cd of background music which > was played during TD's european tour in 97, it's ok if you like bird > song and wildlife, but as a TD master piece forget it, the tracks are > good but to quiet. > > Like I said the problem with Tangerine Dream is all there music is > excellent and the Cds you list are well worth the money, I hope you > find my recommendation's helpful to you. > > Regards. > PaulB. > Macclesfield Cheshire UK. > Orion Optics GP/GX200 (8'f/5.6) > Web Page. 'Paul's Astro Stuff' > 'CCD Imaging and Astro Photography' > http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/paul.brierley/homepage.htm > > > > > John Gentile wrote: > >> From: John Gentile >> >> Hi All >> piano_man here with a question I am able to buy some imports >> that >> were not available to me before in Michigan anyway they are as >> follows: (I >> will be buying all of them but I would like opinions of what ranking >> you >> would give of these CDs so I will buy them first) >> 1> What a blast >> 2. Valentine Wheels >> 3. Hollywood years vol. 1 >> 4. Atlantic Walls >> 5. Atlantic Bridges >> 6. Ambient Monkeys >> 7. Transsiberia >> 8. Quinoa Extended >> 9. S/T (what is this one please) >> >> Thanks >> John Gentile >> piano_man@m... >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> ------------- >> How has ONElist changed your life? >> Share your story with us at http://www.onelist.com >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail >> option, and appropriately editing original messages in your >> replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to >> tadream-unsubscribe@o... >> Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: paul a brierley Date: Tue Jun 15, 1999 5:23 pm Subject: Re: Duh! > Hi Anil. > > I buy all of my Tangerine Dream CD's mail order from these guys. > > Compact Disc Services. > 40/42 Brantwood Avenue > Dundee > DD3 6EW U.K > > E-Mail CDser@a... > > Happy listening. > PaulB Macclesfield Cheshire U.K. > > > > > Anil Sahal wrote: > >> From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> >> >> I seem to have missed something. Is Mars/Polaris a TD >> release/concery series? >> >> I was talking to my local TD CD supplier yesterday, who claims that >> it is >> TDI themsleves who are limiting the number of TD CDs (for whatever >> reason). >> Pinnacle (?UK ditributor?) say they can't get TD CDs for love nor >> money. >> >> Anil >> >> ---- >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ----- >> Anil Sahal >> Motoneurone Research Group >> Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems >> West Medical Building >> University of Glasgow >> Glasgow >> Scotland >> G12 8QQ >> 0141-339-8855 >> ------------- >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----- >> >> ----- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> What do lizards and rock music have in common? >> http://www.onelist.com >> They both have communities at ONElist. Find yours today! >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> -------------- >> Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail >> option, and appropriately editing original messages in your >> replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to >> tadream-unsubscribe@o... >> Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Tue Jun 15, 1999 7:34 pm Subject: Re: Concert Review Re: J.Gordon's Concert Review.... Many thanks from all of us that couldn't attend. Your report made everyone's day! I was just talking to Carl the Preacher over the weekend, as he was asking what I was doing... I was surfing looking for any tidbits of information on the KlangArt Festival! Now, I fully understand the difference between the digest and archive versions of Tadream Digest. Again, many thanks (echo the sentiments of Jens & Carl & others) -- Well done!!! Best Regards, Alan Benson Berkeley, CA P.S. I think Linda Spa made her TD premiere at Werner Seelenbinder Hall, Berlin, Germany (02/20/90). I met her in Hollywood (07/12/95) and I for one will miss her! ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue Jun 15, 1999 7:50 pm Subject: Met Spa (was: Concert Review) > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Benson [mailto:albenson@n...] ... > P.S. I think Linda Spa made her TD premiere at Werner > Seelenbinder Hall, Berlin, Germany (02/20/90). I met > her in Hollywood (07/12/95) and I for one will miss her! OK, I'll bite. How/where did you meet her? What did you discuss? etc. -joe From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Tue Jun 15, 1999 10:21 pm Subject: Re: Pictures from Osnabrueck on the Net! Re: Pictures from Osnabrueck on the Net! Hello again! If you haven't already checked out Rainer's web site -- you should do so right now! It's the next best thing to actually being there (along with all the other splendid 'Mars Polaris' KlangArt concert reviews that have been poring in). Thanks to all! And, thanks Rainer! Best Regards, Alan Benson Berkeley, CA ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16848 Re: Pictures from Osnabrueck on the Net! Alan Benson Tue 6/15/1999 1 KB 16859 Re: Pictures from Osnabrueck on the Net! Rainer Rutka Wed 6/16/1999 1 KB From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Tue Jun 15, 1999 10:31 pm Subject: Re: Pictures from Osnabrueck on the Net! Re: Pictures from Osnabrueck on the Net! Hello again! If you haven't already checked out Rainer's web site -- you should do so right now! It's the next best thing to actually being there (along with all the other splendid 'Mars Polaris' KlangArt concert reviews that have been poring in). Thanks to all! And, thanks Rainer! Best Regards, Alan Benson Berkeley, CA ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 12:20 am Subject: Re: The burning answers re: Mars Polaris On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, j.gordon wrote: > From: 'j.gordon' > > Caveat number one: it can be easy to forget how subjective a word like > successful is... successful for whom? TD? You mean if they sell over 100,000 > albums? You mean for each fan? Does it make it into the latest top ten list > for each one of us? For TDI? Did they sell more of Mars Polaris over the net > than any other album? Success is gauged in many ways, even by one individual > or group... however, I will assume that you mean by the term successful 'If it > meets the following points, then for me (Gabe), it will be an album worth it's > weight (as maybe compared to some of the albums of the past decade which > couldn't seem to match up)' and proceed from that point... ;) Generally, I meant, is this an album that most TD fans will be proud to have in their collections? Will it take a place of pride alongside the Rubycons and Tangrams? or will most fans say 'god I can't believe I wasted money on more crap from them!' (of course, if it does prove to be such a hit that it goes gold, that's always a plus too! ;) ) > reference... ;)... but one can say yes, there is something really new here (one > more time: subjective reasoning abounds) and that would be: a really smooth > integration of bits and pieces of their major styles over the last twenty > years, albeit an emphasis on the newer (last ten years)... and yes, (where's my > crystaline ball), this is the next big thing for TD... it is at the same time, > the same old 90's and another modernized retread and something new... that is > what makes it a new sound... TD progression has been, with one real blaring > exception that I can see, fairly gradual (that exception being OR)... this is > not another OR change... So, after all that, you mean it's evolutionary rather than revolutionary? (Revolutionary isn't necessarily good...) Your comments create the impression that they have finally harnessed all the new avenues and influences they've explored over the pat few years and gave them a more decisive direction--which is just what I was hoping for, actually. > > --is the album at all memorable? Does it stand up well to repeated > > listening? > > That depends on what you think makes and album memorable. Stratosphere is not, > IMHO, very 'memorable' in the same way I think FM is... however, both stand up Can you listen to it 10 times, and you will still be as impressed with it as you were the first time, after all that? Or will you begin to think 'you know, on repeated listening, there's not really a lot of substance to this at all...cool sounds, but the underlying structure is really flimsy.' > repetition is past (say the first three months), how does it stand up against > the repeat test?... IMHO, Mars Polaris will stand up with some of the best TD > albums... OK mouth...start watering... > > On a side note, I find it interesting how this album is billed on the TDI > > web site. I have had this nagging feeling that since 1995, TD has > > been doing 'biding time' albums, while keeping their next really great > > project for an extended stay on the back burner. Is it possible the band > > actually agrees? ;) (That bit about it being the 'long awaited new album > > since 1996') > > It may be so, it may be so... though What a Blast I think, is also a harbinger > of this new style, as well... do you think it might have been planned this > way... seems a bit sci-fi, but very plausible... I'd like to think so, in spite of the one person who's said that _What a Blast_ just recapitulates everything he doesn't like about '90s TD. I don't know if it was planned, though...for one thing, Mars Polaris as a project certainly has better inspiration than, say, _ToB_ or Goblins Club_. It's really quite difficult to make meaningful comments about social issues or philosophical concepts with instrumental music, but space has always been a reliable muse for TD ;) > > I guess I am eagerly waiting to hear Mars Polaris--if for no other reason > > than to have a change from all those less-than-1-hr albums of the past > > few years... > > Yes, I agree... there is no disappointment in this album, either with music or > with length... happy listening... I never understood why TD has kept issuing mostly LP-length albums. There's no reason not to take advantage of all the extra space on the CD and use it to its fullest. > j.gordon Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16850 Re: The burning answers re: Mars Polaris Jared White Wed 6/16/1999 3 KB 16851 Re: The burning answers re: Mars Polaris Gabe Yedid Wed 6/16/1999 5 KB 16855 Re: The burning answers re: Mars Polaris Thomas Wed 6/16/1999 1 KB 16857 Re: The burning answers re: Mars Polaris joe shoults Wed 6/16/1999 2 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 12:58 am Subject: Re: The burning answers re: Mars Polaris ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabe Yedid > Generally, I meant, is this an album that most TD fans will be proud to > have in their collections? Will it take a place of pride alongside the > Rubycons and Tangrams? or will most fans say 'god I can't believe I > wasted money on more crap from them!' Huh? Crap from TD? What are you talking about? I admit, TD has done some mediocre stuff in the past -- but crap??? > I'd like to think so, in spite of the one person who's said that _What a > Blast_ just recapitulates everything he doesn't like about '90s TD. I > don't know if it was planned, though...for one thing, Mars Polaris as a > project certainly has better inspiration than, say, _ToB_ or Goblins Club_. Well, I agree that ToB isn't terribly inspired -- but Goblins Club? That's an incredible album! Have you actually *listened* to it lately??? > It's really quite difficult to make meaningful comments about social > issues or philosophical concepts with instrumental music, but space has > always been a reliable muse for TD ;) Oh, and I suppose all the philosophizing and discussion about classical music for the past several hundred years has been really quite difficult. You gotta be kidding. You know, I've just about had it with you, Gabe. You seem to have set yourself up as the resident critic here on the TD list -- just who do you think you are, anyway? I don't have anything against anyone having some opinions about various TD-related subjects, but you just make these ridiculous blanket statements about TD, and act like you speak for everyone on the list -- when, believe it or not, I think most of the people on this list don't even agree with you most of the time! And why do you always act like TD is guilty until proven innocent? Aren't you confident in their musical and compositional abilities? Considering all the incredible music that has come from Froese & Co. the last few decades, I wouldn't worry about Mars Polaris being a wonderful album! So just cool it, OK? Yeesh.... Regards, Jared From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 3:46 am Subject: Re: The burning answers re: Mars Polaris On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Jared White wrote: > From: 'Jared White' > > From: Gabe Yedid > > > > Generally, I meant, is this an album that most TD fans will be proud to > > have in their collections? Will it take a place of pride alongside the > > Rubycons and Tangrams? or will most fans say 'god I can't believe I > > wasted money on more crap from them!' > > Huh? Crap from TD? What are you talking about? I admit, TD has done some > mediocre stuff in the past -- but crap??? You should know that TD fans are given to strong reactions. Always have been. It might be a necessary prerequisite for becoming a TD fan! ;) > > > I'd like to think so, in spite of the one person who's said that _What a > > Blast_ just recapitulates everything he doesn't like about '90s TD. I > > don't know if it was planned, though...for one thing, Mars Polaris as a > > project certainly has better inspiration than, say, _ToB_ or Goblins > Club_. > > Well, I agree that ToB isn't terribly inspired -- but Goblins Club? That's > an incredible album! Have you actually *listened* to it lately??? Actually, _ToB_ was quite well inspired, from a conceptual point of view. Without words, however, I simply don't think the music does a very good job of conveying whatever commentary the artists were trying to make about that subject. > > It's really quite difficult to make meaningful comments about social > > issues or philosophical concepts with instrumental music, but space has > > always been a reliable muse for TD ;) > > Oh, and I suppose all the philosophizing and discussion about classical > music for the past several hundred years has been really quite difficult. > You gotta be kidding. There is a difference between philosophizing about music and trying to create music based around an extramusical social or philosophical concept, which the band was apparently trying to do with both _ToB_ and _Goblins Club_. _ToB_ at least, had a socially relevant concept. It's not at all clear (to me, at least) just *what* the central unifying theme of _Goblins Club_ was supposed to be. Considering how, um, varied the music on it was, I'm not sure it was supposed to have had a central theme in the first place--it may well have been the kind of album where you were supposed to come up with one on your own. An issue like space travel invites reflection and imagination almost automatically, even if it creates a set of certain preconceived notions about what the music should be like in order to convey those dream images. > You know, I've just about had it with you, Gabe. > You seem to have set > yourself up as the resident critic here on the TD list -- just who do you You mean I'm starting to sound like Grant Middleton? Horrors! I rue this day! (OK OK this is a bit of an inside joke...) :) That does not change the fact, however, that not even TD is immune from criticism, whether it be about the quality of music, artistic integrity, business practices etc. > think you are, anyway? I don't have anything against anyone having some > opinions about various TD-related subjects, but you just make these > ridiculous blanket statements about TD, and act like you speak for everyone > on the list -- when, believe it or not, I think most of the people on this > list don't even agree with you most of the time! It will be a sad day for the list--either of them--when I find *everyone* does agree with anything anyone has to say--especially if it's something I've said ;) >And why do you always act > like TD is guilty until proven innocent? Aren't you confident in their > musical and compositional abilities? There's a concept called resting on one's laurels, which I think they have been guilty of on more than one occasion. Good reputations, once earned, have to be maintained--especially in the face of the stiff competition that has surfaced for them over the past decade. And when you've been hit with a string of albums that you consider to be sub-par for whatever reason, then the question always has to be raised in your mind. To make it a mostly mercenary argument, as a music consumer, if Band X isn't a) giving you what you, as a listener, want to hear, or, b) what you think they are capable of given their track record and what they have access to now in terms of music technology, (and you aren't willing to lower your standards) then you really have to question why you want to spend your hard-earned dollars on something that is more likely than not to disappoint you. You will, naturally, look elsewhere for something that satisfies what you feel you need. > Jared Gabe From: John Gentile Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 6:56 am Subject: Re: TD CDs to buy Thanks I really like the keep especially when they do their rendition of Gloria in four voices by Thomas Tallas -----Original Message----- From: Marcelo Gutierrez [SMTP:tdune@m...] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 9:54 PM To: tadream@o... Subject: Re: [tadream] TD CDs to buy From: Marcelo Gutierrez > I think S/T has cuts from Phaedra and Rubycon on it. As far as > What A Blast is concerned, every review I've read said it isn't so > great. Funny, every review I have read say that it is the best TD in a long time, I just got it myself but I have only listen to it once, but love the first and second cuts, they have a 'Keep'esque feel about them, what I mean is that the voicing and the mood of these cuts reminds me of the OST of the 'Keep' (the movie OST, not the TDI version of the OST) Marcelo ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking to expand your world? http://www.onelist.com ONElist has 170,000 e-mail communities from which to choose! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 3:58 am Subject: Re: The burning repsonses re: Mars Polaris > You know, I've just about had it with you, Gabe. > Jared j.gordon here... whoa up there, hoss... Jared, my man, if you are pulling the leg, make sure you say so... if not, take a minute to think things through before you dash off emails like this one, eh... Take a look at it from a couple of angles... First, this is a list about TD for the fans (and band memembers, if they so choose) in which to express their ideas, revelations, musings and opinions... that last one there is a subjective thing... there were a lot of gripes at the beginning about this list not talking about coughcoughbootlegscoughcough but Joe did a really good job of steering it around to be clear: cool to talk about, just do it off list... In fact, he's done a great job creating a forum for expression... but not necessarily a happy home up 'Blow-sunshine-up-Edgar's-bum'... I've read a lot of postings from Gabe, and though I don't always agree (or can't as I don't have the experience or ability to) his missivies always seem very well thought out and very personal (as oppossed to the 'Voice of the List')... Just like anything else on the list, if you're going to disagreed with something someone said, here is your place... but your posting went a bit personal and that isn't what this list is about (as far as I can tell)... that posting should have gone to him personally... member bashing is not a favorite sport hereabouts... I realize you disagree with Gabe on his viewpoint of TD, but keep in mind, that's all it is... a viewpoint... he's not attacking anyone, least of all Edgar and Co... to accuse him of so, in public, is not very tactful, nor useful, and since we've banned the World Wrestling Federation from the list, we've found that the 'half-nelson-super-charger-TD-in-the-90s-head-slam' just isn't what it used to be... ;) Probably the most important point is: somewhere on your screen and surely somewhere on your keyboard is the world's most powerful and magical button: DELETE... go ahead and use it... if you don't like his postings, delete them... it's that simple... But, once again, if you feel like you need to address him personally, do it personally... he email address is at the top of every mail he posts... As ever, Jared, I don't mean to offend, critisize or poke-in-the-eye... just giving some perspective... j.gordon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: John Gentile Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 7:02 am Subject: Re: TD CDs to buy Hi Paul Thanks for the input I was leaning towards Quinoa and Hollywood years vol 1 since I have Vol 2 already -----Original Message----- From: paul a brierley [SMTP:paul.brierley@e...] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 10:13 AM To: tadream@o... Subject: Re: [tadream] TD CDs to buy Hi John. I have nearly all of these CD,s except nos 4/5/& 9. There all excellent and it is hard to say which ones I would get first. Quiona is I think one of the finest TD albums I have heard for a long time so maybe this one should be your first choice. Now at 50 minutes it remains a classic slice of Tang D music, the two extra tracks which they have added are not only as good as the amazing opener but together they have made one of the most essential TD cd's of the decade. The eleven min track 'Voxel Ux' is just superb with all the trade marks of Tangerine Dream. This is the album which you will play to death. Next on your list is probably Hollywood years vol. 1. this cd has lots of toe tapping rhythms the track I like is Chronos mile. What a Blast and Valentine Wheels are also get albums. Transsiberia is a great cd but it has a little more 'drum and bass' the tracks are good and it is still an album worth having. I don't like Ambient monkeys. This is the cd of background music which was played during TD's european tour in 97, it's ok if you like bird song and wildlife, but as a TD master piece forget it, the tracks are good but to quiet. Like I said the problem with Tangerine Dream is all there music is excellent and the Cds you list are well worth the money, I hope you find my recommendation's helpful to you. Regards. PaulB. Macclesfield Cheshire UK. Orion Optics GP/GX200 (8'f/5.6) Web Page. 'Paul's Astro Stuff' 'CCD Imaging and Astro Photography' http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/paul.brierley/homepage.htm John Gentile wrote: > From: John Gentile > > Hi All > piano_man here with a question I am able to buy some imports that > were not available to me before in Michigan anyway they are as follows: (I > will be buying all of them but I would like opinions of what ranking you > would give of these CDs so I will buy them first) > 1> What a blast > 2. Valentine Wheels > 3. Hollywood years vol. 1 > 4. Atlantic Walls > 5. Atlantic Bridges > 6. Ambient Monkeys > 7. Transsiberia > 8. Quinoa Extended > 9. S/T (what is this one please) > > Thanks > John Gentile > piano_man@m... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > How has ONElist changed your life? > Share your story with us at http://www.onelist.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com << File: ATT00000.htm >> From: 'Thomas' Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 4:06 am Subject: Re: The burning answers re: Mars Polaris Why argue so much? Regards, Thomas Bertilsson Sweden From: 'Jared White' Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 4:38 am Subject: Apology to Gabe > -----Original Message----- > From: j.gordon [mailto:ssaalyersjj@y...] > In fact, he's done a great job creating a forum for expression... but not > necessarily a happy home up 'Blow-sunshine-up-Edgar's-bum'... > I've read a lot > of postings from Gabe, and though I don't always agree (or can't > as I don't > have the experience or ability to) his missivies always seem very > well thought > out and very personal (as oppossed to the 'Voice of the List')... OK, I guess I was a bit too strong, but personal life here has been a bit crazy lately. My nerves are a bit on edge right now. :) -----Original Message----- > From: Gabe Yedid [mailto:gabe@c...] > > You know, I've just about had it with you, Gabe. > > let the boss step in if he sees fit.> You're right. I'm sorry. I very rarely send any 'personal' flames to anyone -- especially on a list. Like I said above, things have been a bit nuts around here the past few days. :) J.Gordon wrote: > I realize you disagree with Gabe on his viewpoint of TD, but keep in mind, > that's all it is... a viewpoint... he's not attacking anyone, least of all > Edgar and Co... to accuse him of so, in public, is not very tactful, nor > useful, and since we've banned the World Wrestling Federation > from the list, > we've found that the > 'half-nelson-super-charger-TD-in-the-90s-head-slam' just > isn't what it used to be... ;) Well, I do think Gabe acts a bit 'gospely' in his opinions, and he has so many of them!!! :) Seriously, I really am sorry for my outburst, and I hope there are no hard feelings between you (Gabe) and me. Take care, Jared P. S. I still think Goblin's Club is a great album. ;P _____________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@s... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com iReview: http://www.gaeldesign.com/ireview The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16863 Re: Apology to Gabe Gabe Yedid Wed 6/16/1999 1 KB From: 'joe shoults' Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 4:52 am Subject: Re: The burning answers re: Mars Polaris It's kinda funny: The more I listen, the more I like TD stuff that I never liked before. Likewise, the more I listen to the 'classic' stuff I love, the same happens. Sure, I get a little tired of something once I realize I've listened to it non-stop for a week or three... I put Goblin's Club and Oasis on both sides of a cassette tape, and it is like one double album! I've been listening to it in the car on the drive to and from work for about a month straight now. I'm listening to ToB right now from our RealAudio link on the tadream website. Funny, but I think this is the very first time I've actually listened to this album. OK, not maybe like Tangram, and maybe a little mainstream for its time, but it is good. I'm at the part that has a Pink Floyd 'Run Like Hell' riff going on. ... Now I'm at song 5 or 6. I like this album. By the way, thanks, Gabe, Jared and j.gordon for your valued contributions to the list. Oops! Here comes the sax. (Whew! it went away!) OK. That wasn't so bad... Yes, going into a cool bongo rhythm in the background, with some screaming guitar, all with a laid-back beat. Very nice. Well, 22 minutes into the album and I have to go to bed. Sounds good so far to me. -Joe From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: Rainer Rutka Re: Pictures from Osnabrueck on the Net! > Hello again! If you haven't already checked out Rainer's web site -- > you should do so right now! It's the next best thing to actually being > there (along with all the other splendid 'Mars Polaris' KlangArt concert > reviews that have been poring in). Thanks to all! And, thanks Rainer! > Alan Benson Thank you Alan ! .... I'll put some more onto the page if I find the time to do ! I'll post it onto the list if I did ;_) Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TD-page -> http://home.t-online.de/home/rutka - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Alan Benson' From: Gabe Yedid From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > I'm happy to see that Jared and Gabes little spat was settled so quickly and > amicably. It made me realise that the list seems to have a vocal membership > favouring the later years of TD's output. Had Gabe voiced the same opinion on > the other list, he would have been backed-up by a number of members agreeing > that the 90s have ben a disappointing decade for TD. Uh, hold on here...they may have been disappointing for some of us as fans, but I don't think *the band* has ever come out and said anything to the effect that this decade has somehow been less artistically fulfilling for them than previous ones. For your little poll Craig...can you perhaps a separate category for 'no preference'? ;) > Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Gabe From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > I'm happy to see that Jared and Gabes little spat was settled so quickly and >> amicably. It made me realise that the list seems to have a vocal membership >> favouring the later years of TD's output. Had Gabe voiced the same opinion on >> the other list, he would have been backed-up by a number of members agreeing >> that the 90s have ben a disappointing decade for TD. > >Uh, hold on here...they may have been disappointing for some of us as >fans, but I don't think *the band* has ever come out and said anything to >the effect that this decade has somehow been less artistically fulfilling >for them than previous ones. Sorry for the confusion. I did mean a disappointing (for e-music fans) decade for TD (music). There has been lots of excellent non-TD e-music this decade. I wouldn't expect TD to admit that this period has been less artistically fulfilling, even if it had. > >For your little poll Craig...can you perhaps a separate category for 'no >preference'? ;) Well, if Joe goes for the poll, perhaps he could add it. A bit of a cop-out though, isn't it? I wouldn't be surprised if the 'No Preference' period won. 8-)) NP : Silence 2 - Namlook & Dr. Atmo -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gabe Yedid Seriously, I really am sorry for my outburst, and I hope there are no hard > feelings between you (Gabe) and me. Certainly. No offense was ever really taken. > Take care, > > Jared > > P. S. I still think Goblin's Club is a great album. ;P Vive la difference ;) Gabe From: Gabe Yedid From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > >Uh, hold on here...they may have been disappointing for some of us as > >fans, but I don't think *the band* has ever come out and said anything to > >the effect that this decade has somehow been less artistically fulfilling > >for them than previous ones. > > Sorry for the confusion. I did mean a disappointing (for e-music fans) decade > for TD (music). There has been lots of excellent non-TD e-music this decade. (even though much of it has been cast in a distinctly TD-ish mold) > I wouldn't expect TD to admit that this period has been less artistically > fulfilling, even if it had. > >For your little poll Craig...can you perhaps a separate category > for 'no preference'? ;) > Well, if Joe goes for the poll, perhaps he could add it. A bit of a cop-out > though, isn't it? I wouldn't be surprised if the 'No Preference' period won. > 8-)) Come on, I can't be the only one ;) I think each period has its strong and weak albums, and some of the strong albums from some (later) periods are IMO better than weak albums from previous periods. Just because an album might feature a certain combination of artists in the lineup, doesn't mean it'll automatically garner my support as being somehow intrinsically superior to a later one with a different lineup. So, *SPEAKING FOR MYSELF*, when I look at where my preferences fall, at least on a per album basis, I find I don't really like one period any more than another. Gabe From: 'kayleigh' From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 4:10 pm Subject: TD to Tour I've heard unsubstantiated claims that TD are to do a UK tour in the autumn including a visit to the Glasgow Royal Concert Hall. Can anyone confirm this? Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Sean Montgomery Hey all. Wanted to ask a quick question. I get insanely jealous reading > these posts about TD and concert reviews, and wanted to find out if TD tours > the states? IF they do, how often? AND if they don't, how long has it been? The last North American tour was in 1992, and the last show (that I know of) in 1995. I suspect that the cost of touring over here has become too high, particularly now that they don't have a big record label to bankroll it. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Lawry Simm' Jared > P. S. I still think Goblin's Club is a great album. ;P I'm with you on that one.. though you may find that we are very much in the minority (certainly within the UWP list). Regards, Lawry Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16875 Re: Goblin's Club Richard Ford Wed 6/16/1999 1 KB 16877 Re: Goblin's Club Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Thu 6/17/1999 2 KB 16878 Re: Goblin's Club Rainer Rutka Thu 6/17/1999 1 KB 17997 Goblin's Club Owens James Wed 9/22/1999 5 KB 18000 Re: Goblin's Club Carl & Jacqui Kearney Wed 9/22/1999 1 KB 18001 Re: Goblin's Club Owens James Wed 9/22/1999 2 KB 18004 Re: Goblin's Club Gustavo Jobim Thu 9/23/1999 1 KB 18005 Re: Goblin's Club Gustavo Jobim Thu 9/23/1999 1 KB 18006 Re: Goblin's Club Jared White Thu 9/23/1999 2 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' P.S. I think Linda Spa made her TD premiere at Werner > Seelenbinder Hall, Berlin, Germany (02/20/90). I met > her in Hollywood (07/12/95) and I for one will miss her! Yeah, she was onstage at the 1990 Manchester UK concert (which was around October time I think). She wasn't credited on an album for some time after that though. There are 7 or 8 photos of her in the 1990 tour book, and she appears in the Melrose video. So whoever quoted 1995 as her first TD appearance was _way_ off. Regards, Lawry From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: Richard Ford , Carl & Jacqui Kearney writes >From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > >Here we go again. >Hey Anil if they do M8 get me two tickets for Glasgow and I'll get you two >for Manchester,or Birmingham ,Oxford,London , Sheffield,Leeds. > See you in Oxford. It'll be like the good old days when they toured properly. -- Richard Ford From: Richard Ford , Lawry Simm writes >From: 'Lawry Simm' > >> Jared > >> P. S. I still think Goblin's Club is a great album. ;P > >I'm with you on that one.. though you may find that we are very much >in the minority (certainly within the UWP list). > >Regards, >Lawry Well actually, I think this album is one of TD's better albums of late. -- Richard Ford From: Mats Nordlinder From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 6:36 am Subject: Re: Goblin's Club I'm with you to , I think a lot TD fans are only fixed at the 80's ;-) i think that that is also the reason that they do not like the influence of J.F. i think a lot i think ;-P Bert > ---------- > From: Lawry Simm[SMTP:lawrysimm@u...] > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 21:39 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Goblin's Club > > From: 'Lawry Simm' > > > Jared > > > P. S. I still think Goblin's Club is a great album. ;P > > I'm with you on that one.. though you may find that we are very much > in the minority (certainly within the UWP list). > > Regards, > Lawry > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > With more than 20 million e-mails exchanged daily... > http://www.onelist.com > ...ONElist is home to the liveliest discussions on the Internet! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, > and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To > unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 1:46 pm Subject: Re: Goblin's Club On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Lawry Simm wrote: > From: 'Lawry Simm' > > P. S. I still think Goblin's Club is a great album. ;P > I'm with you on that one.. though you may find that we are very much > in the minority (certainly within the UWP list). > Regards, Lawry ... don't foreget me ! I love this one ! ;-) Rainer From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 9:10 am Subject: Re: valentines . False. I saw it here in Glasgow only last week (although I believe it's a little difficult to get hold of) At 22:20 16/06/99 +0100, you wrote: >From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > >Hi guys how you all doin ? > >Can anyone help ? >I've had Valentines wheels on order for three weeks from my local MVC store >,today I recieve a letter saying that they can't get the afore said album >because it has been Deleted. > >TRUE OR FALSE ? > >Thanks in advance Carl. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Make your voice heard! >http://www.onelist.com >Sign up for the ONElist Weekly Survey. Go to homepage for details. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 9:15 am Subject: Re: UK Tour . Yeah, they used to tour every little town in Britain, didn't they? Derby, Doncaster, Chester...... >See you in Oxford. It'll be like the good old days when they toured >properly. >-- >Richard Ford ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: Martin Kay >Hi guys how you all doin ? > >Can anyone help ? >I've had Valentines wheels on order for three weeks from my local MVC store >,today I recieve a letter saying that they can't get the afore said album >because it has been Deleted. > >TRUE OR FALSE ? > >Thanks in advance Carl. Message from TDI- headquarters: FALSE! None of the TDI- titles are and will be deleted. Your store´s distributor must have had a shortage in supplies but the information is obviously wrong (... we should know ;-) ) In reply to another inquiry on the list from the past: TDI are also not limiting the amount of records sent out. all titles are constantly reprinted. If you encounter problems obtaining them, it must be the fault of the distributor. It is interesting to know how well obtainable our releases are, though, because, of course we want to make the our albums easily available. If you encounter any problems... I´m always happy for feedback. Oh yes, you can always visit the TDI- site directly for info and support, of course... All the best, Martin Kay. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 1:45 pm Subject: Re: valentines . In a message dated 16-06-1999 4:16:31 PM EST, Carl-Jacqui@k... writes: << today I recieve a letter saying that they can't get the afore said album because it has been Deleted. TRUE OR FALSE ? Thanks in advance Carl. >> I've gotten these responses from time to time. I think that it is merely because they don't want to be bothered to do any more leg work. Many companies and/or want to get all of the gratuity with none of the effort. My daughter does the same thing. 'Dad, I can't find my such-&-such, can you help?' 'Did you look?' says I. 'No.' New scenario -- 'Sorry sir, but it just isn't worth any more of my time to find this crappy recording that you 'just have to find,' so lets pretend that it's out of print. That way I can pretend that I am doing my job. I can go to lunch. You can wallow in self pity, unless you find that I have pulled the wool over your eyes. Have a nice day!' All's fair in Love, War & Merchandising. Phil Naunton From: 'Jonathan Schick' From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Mats Nordlinder [mailto:mats.nordlinder@e...] > ......has he (thats Edgar F.) done any solo-concerts > or 'performances' (with his own material perhaps) during all this year > ?? > Maybe this is a stupid question but, hey !! i´m a curious man ! Not a stupid question at all! I'm curious, too. Anybody know this? -Joe From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Schick [mailto:jonathan@f...] ...> I also bought a CD by Jah Wobble called 'The Inspiration of William Blake' > I'm not familiar with his music. However, I do like 'Tyger' and > this CD does contain the following: > 'Lonely London' and 'Tyger Tyger' > Any thoughts on this? Can't listen now - I'm at work. Are there any lyrics? -Joe np: eno/wobble - Spinner From: Sean Montgomery Are there any lyrics? > > -Joe Yup. He sings/speaks Blake's words. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Sean Montgomery I also bought a CD by Jah Wobble called 'The Inspiration of William Blake' > > I'm not familiar with his music. However, I do like 'Tyger' and this CD > does contain the following: 'Lonely London' and 'Tyger Tyger' > > Any thoughts on this? Can't listen now - I'm at work. It's interesting to compare this to TD's take on Blake, but this is one of Wobble's weaker albums, in my opinion. He's at his best when he works the 'world music' angle - playing the bass and letting others do the singing. Try the fantastic 'Rising Above Bedlam' or 'Take Me to God'. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Rainer Rutka From: 'Michael A. Jean' From: Mats Nordlinder Do you have Kamikaze on CD or vinyl? > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35623 Froese Solo Michael Jean Mon 8/19/2002 2 KB 35637 Re: Froese Solo Robert Grabowsky Tue 8/20/2002 3 KB From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Fri Jun 18, 1999 7:40 am Subject: Re: Solo Hi everyone >From: 'Joe Shoults' >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mats Nordlinder [mailto:mats.nordlinder@e...] >> ......has he (thats Edgar F.) done any solo-concerts >> or 'performances' (with his own material perhaps) during all this year >> ?? >> Maybe this is a stupid question but, hey !! i´m a curious man ! >Not a stupid question at all! I'm curious, too. Anybody know this? I don't know if Edgar was solo on stage, but i remember the live performance on TV for the piece 'Sobornost'. That's the only live stuff by Edgar only i remember Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'James Horecka, AIA' From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'James Horecka, AIA' > >I just bought a stack of TD CD's. (Father's Day and all ;) ) > >Among them is 'The Keep.' 15 tracks. Outside cover is a corridor-like scene, >labeled in receding lettering with Tangerine Dream at the top and The Keep >at the bottom. Inside cover is blue, sort of a pyramid graphic. CD itself is >labeled 'The Keep', and 'Blue Moon Records.' Run time is listed as 66m42s on >cover, 66m40s on CD. This is the bootleg CD which has been around for a few years now. I'm proud to say that I (foolishly?) got rid of my copy once I had purchased the official TDI version. Blue Moon have released quite a few TD boots (uhm, I understand from my sources). BTW, whatever happened to someone who said they were getting The Keep from their local MVC store in England? -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Martin Kay From: Sean Montgomery > > > >> I also bought a CD by Jah Wobble called 'The Inspiration of William Blake' >> >> I'm not familiar with his music. However, I do like 'Tyger' and this CD >> does contain the following: 'Lonely London' and 'Tyger Tyger' >> >> Any thoughts on this? Can't listen now - I'm at work. Just another spin-off on the Blake- theme: i recently discovered an album by a former metal band called 'Ulver' which is solely Blake´s lyrics set to song. It is highly recommendable because they really manage to create their own style of music - a blend of drum and bass, triphop, metal and space rock - totally over the top. i know no other band sounding like them. ;-) All the best, Martin Kay. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Fri Jun 18, 1999 9:53 am Subject: Re: William Blake don't forget Tim Blake's New Jerusalem Bert > ---------- > From: Martin Kay[SMTP:manager@t...] > Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 11:18 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] William Blake > > From: Martin Kay > > At 10:43 17.06.99 -0700, you wrote: > >From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > > > >> I also bought a CD by Jah Wobble called 'The Inspiration of William > Blake' > >> > >> I'm not familiar with his music. However, I do like 'Tyger' and this > CD > >> does contain the following: 'Lonely London' and 'Tyger Tyger' > >> > >> Any thoughts on this? Can't listen now - I'm at work. > > Just another spin-off on the Blake- theme: i recently discovered an album > by a former metal band called 'Ulver' which is solely Blake´s lyrics set > to > song. It is highly recommendable because they really manage to create > their > own style of music - a blend of drum and bass, triphop, metal and space > rock - totally over the top. i know no other band sounding like them. > > ;-) > > All the best, > > Martin Kay. > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > http://www.tdi-music-mall.de > > Have a nice day! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Campaign 2000 is here! > http://www.onelist.com > Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. See our homepage. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, > and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To > unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: 'Ray' To: Tadreamonelist Date: 18 June 1999 02:48 Subject: [tadream] Megabyte-You mean that's it? >From: 'Michael A. Jean' > > >I was just listening to an old MEGABYTE cd 'Go for it'...And I heard that >disdainful female voice say 'you mean that's it?'. I had never heard this >sample anywhere else but on early90s Klaus albums...Anyone know where else >it has appeared? > > >Regards, > >Michael A. Jean > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >How has ONElist changed your life? >Share your story with us at http://www.onelist.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'Ray' To: tadream@c... Cc: tadream@o... Date: 16 June 1999 22:27 Subject: [tadream] new TDI albums arrive in Montreal >From: Gabe Yedid > >well, kinda-sorta... > >I saw 2 copies of _Valentine Wheels_ on sale at the Montreal HMV superstore. >Price: $24 CDN. A bit high, but certainly not as bad as some other >places I've seen. They didn't seem to have anything else from TDI, though. > >Gabe >now saving his buckazoids for _Mars Polaris_. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Got an opinion? >http://www.onelist.com >Make it count! Sign up for the ONElist Weekly Survey now. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'Poulton, Larry' From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Ray [mailto:ray.hallett@l...] ... > Also TDI are just plain slow -... > Has anyone noticed we are in June and only seen 1 of these CD's out of 6 ie: > 1: twilight folder (early 99) > 2: lions cage (early 99) > 3: soundmill navigator (late 98) > 4: antique dreams (late 98) > 5: star trooper (early 99) > I would say there is a problem at TDI that needs some sorting out??!!... > If I was to provide this sort of service to customers at work - they would > go elsewhere? Just my $.02: 'Patience, young gwasshoppa.' I consider release dates to be estimates, and more of an announcement to the effect of, 'We are working on the following releases, and these are the estimated release dates of what we think we can get done in the studio, provided we don't get any distractions, like a soundtrack or other contract work falls into place, or somehow negotiations come through for the opportunity to play a gig here or there, or some other business consideration delays us, or we just decide to go on vacation.' > I didn't like Goblins Club and took mine back to the shop and > changed it for something else. Yikes! How can anyone not like GC?! > Does anyone know where the title (Goblins Club) comes from, > I have heard one story, which I will relate later, would like to see what > you on the list think. Sounds like another interview question; I have added it, but am curious about your story. Incidentally, did you notice that the first letters of the song titles on GC form the anagram 'TAO RULES'? But another GC question: What do the lyrics mean off of the (second? don't have it here) track on GC? -Joe np: Ozric- Jurassic Shift (gettin' ready for the concert!) From: 'Joe Shoults' From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Jun 19, 1999 4:58 am Subject: Re: The Keep? In a message dated 18-06-1999 2:34:26 AM EST, jhorecka@p... writes: << 1-9: Studio master tape 10-13: German Radio Broadcast 14-15: Remixes from the rare bootleg CD '70/90' What is the scoop on this CD? >> This is a 'Boot.' I've got a copy, too. Phil N. From: 'Thomas' From: 'Jonathan Schick' > >Hi Guys. > >I also bought a CD by Jah Wobble called 'The Inspiration of William Blake' > >I'm not familiar with his music. However, I do like 'Tyger' and this CD does contain the following: >'Lonely London' and 'Tyger Tyger' > >Any thoughts on this? Can't listen now - I'm at work. > >Jonathan I found this on the internet the other day, and since a few seems to be interested in the work of William Blake, here's a little something for you. It's from the alternate version of 'Unicorn Theme' from the soundtrack of the movie 'Legend'. Here goes: UNICORN THEME BY TANGERINE DREAM (Sung By Suzanne Pawlitzki) I dreamed a dream! what can it mean? I dreamed that I was a maiden Queen: Guarded by an Angel Mild; Witless woe was never beguiled! And I wept both night and day And he wiped my tears away I was so sad in a while he wiped my tears away came to me night and day I kept on crying And hid from him my hearts delight So he took his wings and fled: Then the morn blush'd rosy red: I dried my tears I armed my fears, With ten thousand shields and spears. And soon my Angel came again: I was armed, he came in vain: For the time of youth was fled And grey hairs were on my head. Soon my Angel came again: I was armed, he came in vain: For the time of youth was fled And I found grey hair was on my head. THE ANGEL BY WILLIAM BLAKE I Dreamt a Dream! what can it mean? And that I was a maiden Queen: Guarded by an Angel Mild; Witless woe, was ne'er beguil'd! And I wept both night and day And he wip'd my tears away And I wept both day and night And hid from him my hearts delight So he took his wings and fled: Then the morn blush'd rosy red: I dried my tears and armd my fears, With ten thousand shields and spears. Soon my Angel came again: I was arm'd, he came in vain: For the time of youth was fled And grey hairs were on my head. Hope somebody out there can find this useful! Best regards, Thomas Bertilsson, Sweden np: Rubycon - whoah! this is a fantastic piece of music! From: Rainer Rutka and thank you for the fantastic event ! (Rainer) These are all NEWS ! Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TD-page -> http://home.t-online.de/home/rutka (2nd page of Osnabrueck pictures available) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'kayleigh' From: Rainer Rutka http://home.t-online.de/home/rutka - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Jared White' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: Rainer Rutka http://home.t-online.de/home/rukta - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16911 Re: Soundsample from Mars Polaris John Gentile Sun 6/20/1999 2 KB 16915 Re: Soundsample from Mars Polaris Michael A. Jean Sun 6/20/1999 1 KB From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Jun 20, 1999 3:20 am Subject: Re: New TD Cds in the US? In a message dated 19-06-1999 8:24:46 AM EST, kayleigh@m... writes: << Hey there all. BIG QUESTION, I wanted to ask IF it's possible to obtain the new TD Cds in the US? I've seen various Cds in Best Buy from time to time (and of course, I buy 'em all when I see something I don't have)< BUT wanted to find out about the new ones? OR if they aren't going to hit the states, someone mentioned Montreal? Any idea/info about a good import source for the TD stuff? Would love to get them! dan >> I think that they are here. I see them all over the place. I don't think I have bought so many new TD recordings in one short period of time as I have recently. It must be ten so far in 1999, and I'm sure I don't have them all yet. I had to pass on 'Encores' because I had to eat this week. Every time I look at a TD section there is something I have never seen before. Does somebody have a full accounting of the TDI discography thus far? Phil N. From: John Gentile Hi ! Maybe some of you don't own the new CD... I add a 1/2 minute soundsample from the first track of Mars Polaris onto my side. It's rather big (1/2 meg.) but in stereo ! All I can say is: Buy this record !!!! It's great !!!! Thank you all for the fast and friendly response 'bout my 'Blue Room'- question (Haslinger, Baumann). There's also a cover from the cassette existing (see my WANTS-site or on the Horizon-Webside, too). Rainer PS: It's 3 am now and I'll put my headphones on and listen to Mars- Polaris (the 10th time) ! --------------------------------------------------------------------- TD-page -> http://home.t-online.de/home/rukta - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Congratulations to 'PAFind,' our latest ONElist of the Week. http://www.onelist.com How is ONElist changing YOUR life? Visit our homepage and let us know! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: John Gentile > I think that they are here. I see them all over the place. I don't think I have bought so many new TD recordings in one short period of time as I have recently. It must be ten so far in 1999, and I'm sure I don't have them all yet. I had to pass on 'Encores' because I had to eat this week. Every time I look at a TD section there is something I have never seen before. Does somebody have a full accounting of the TDI discography thus far? Phil N. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Congratulations to 'PAFind,' our latest ONElist of the Week. http://www.onelist.com How is ONElist changing YOUR life? Visit our homepage and let us know! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: John Gentile Hi guys Preacher here. I have finally been inspired enough to learn or try to learn to make some noise, Preferably like TD eventually HA HA HA ! Being a completely talentless Dreamer can anyone suggest where to start, what type of keyboard, sequencer what ever. Baring in mind I have no musical background what so ever. Hey you all started somewhere. Would be glad if anyone could point me in the right direction. Thanks in advance. Carl. The Preacher. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Having difficulty getting 'in synch' with list members? http://www.onelist.com Try ONElist's Shared Calendar to organize events, meetings and more! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: EMC Holland From: 'Heiko Heerßen' move upstairs. There I got a good seat in the middle of the 3rd row and >had a very good view at the stage. I won't comment on the show in detail >as this has been done before, but I have to say that all in all the >music on the CD is better than the music that was played in the >Stadthalle. I disliked the Z-Man's guitar playing. >Thank god that this isn't to be heard on the CD. At times the guitar was >way too loud in the mix and it seemed to me that on this evening he >wanted to show to us all what a great guitarist he is/was. My guess is that it had something to do with your place because from where I was sitting (3d row, center stage) the guitar sounded perfect. >The lightshow >was absolutely amazing and at some point I forgot to listen to the music >that was playing. Now that I know the songs inside out I would like to >hear this concert + lightshow again. I would enjoy it even more because >sometimes it was >rather hard to assimilate all the visuals and music that were coming at >me all at once. I particulary enjoyed the first video bits where the rocket goes up. The music suited perfect with those images. Best Regards, Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Emerald Mine on the Amiga visit: http://www.groove.nl/emc/ ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www/groove.nl/ ------------------------------------------------------ ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Michael A. Jean' > From: John Gentile > > Hi Rainer > Your a lucky man we in the states have to wait until July to > try to get > it > Happy listening > John > > PS: It's 3 am now and I'll put my headphones on and listen to Mars- > Polaris (the 10th time) ! > From: 'Michael A. Jean' > From: John Gentile > > Hi prech > Where you start is up to you if your not sure maybe a little > casio or a > used synth you should see one in the paper for sale.Then practice > practice > and practice Also if you can get a sampler and sample TD sounds and then > play with it. I do that and its great way to learn > From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas > Subject: TD CD for sale! > I have 'Rubycon' TD CD for sale! ..... > So, if someone wants it, send me 10$ (4$ is for the postage cost > only!) and it is yours. > Email me at andreas-smag@g... if interested. From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Jun 20, 1999 3:08 pm Subject: Re: New TD Cds in the US? In a message dated 20-06-1999 0:15:40 AM EST, piano_man@m... writes: << They are suposely in stock we'll see. I just purchaced Quiona and Hollywood years from local Harmony House records store. Your right about new stuff coming out I also have never seen so much new stuff. later John >> Picked up Quinoa yesterday after passing on it several times. Haven't listened to it yet. There are still a couple of others I haven't had time to listen to more than once. Y'know I wonder if Edgar isn't building a War-Chest for Jerome with all of these releases. They must be taking the money to the bank in Wheelbarrows. And they keep on coming. I'm going to die a pauper. Someone on this list, its predecessor, actually, that Edgar is set to retire in 2K. Perhaps this is all a mad dash for the finish line. Phil N. From: Joel Mullen From: PNaunton@a... > > Does somebody have a full accounting of the TDI discography thus far? > > Phil N. > Phil and others-- Here is the list I have and own. There are other variations in cover art and distribution companies, but for most of you (99.9%) this is what you would consider *complete* Let me know if you have any questions. Regards, Joel THE FIRST RELEASES UNDER THE OLD NUMBER SYSTEM ************************************************************************* Jim & Pablo CD 1 'Der Meteor' - pre-release? TDI (no catalog number at all) The Dream Mixes (Double) TDI 001CD Tyranny of Beauty+1 TDI 002CD Turn of the Tides+1 TDI 003CD Rockoon - Special Edition (pic disc) TDI 004CD Limited World Tour Edition 1997 TDI 005CD Shepards Bush TDI 006CD Oasis TDI 007CD Tournado-Tangerine Dream Live TDI 008CD Timesquare-Dream Mixes II TDI 009CD The Keep-Special Edition TDI 010CD Ambient Monkeys TDI 011CD THEN WITH THE RELEASE OF DREAM DICE THE NUMBER SYSTEM CHANGED ********************************************************************************\ ***************** Dream Dice Vol. 1-Silver Single (signed) TDI-Silver Single (no number) Ambient Monkeys-1 (indexed) TDI CD001 Atlantic Bridges TDI CD002 Atlantic Walls TDI CD003 Dream Encores TDI CD004 Dream Mixes I TDI CD005 Dream Mixes II TDI CD006 Hollywood Years I TDI CD007 Hollywood Years II TDI CD008 Oasis+1 TDI CD009 Quinoa-(Extended) TDI CD010 Tournado TDI CD011 Transiberia TDI CD012 THE NEW NUMBER SYSTEM WAS USED AFTER DREAM DICE AS WELL ********************************************************************************\ ********* Valentine Wheels (Live in London 1997) TDI CD013 Sohoman-Live in Sydney 1982 TDI CD014 What a Blast TDI CD015 AND WILL BE CONTINUED WITH THESE (RE-)RELEASES DUE IN JULY ********************************************************************************\ ****** Mars Polaris TDI CD016 Rockoon TDI TDI CD017 220 Volt TDI TDI CD018 Turn of the Tides TDI TDI CD019 Tyranny of Beauty TDI TDI CD020 Canyon Dreams TDI TDI CD021 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16934 Re: TDI discography PNaunton@xxx.xxx Tue 6/22/1999 1 KB 16935 Re: TDI discography PNaunton@xxx.xxx Tue 6/22/1999 1 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Mon Jun 21, 1999 7:01 am Subject: Re: Talentless. Use a tracker program like Modplug tracker and a virtual synthesizer like orangator. you can make a lot of sounds and it is freeware. you can get them at <> greetings Bert > ---------- > From: John Gentile[SMTP:piano_man@m...] > Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999 10:22 > To: 'tadream@o...' > Subject: Re: [tadream] Talentless. > > From: John Gentile > > Hi prech > Where you start is up to you if your not sure maybe a little casio or > a > used synth you should see one in the paper for sale.Then practice practice > > and practice Also if you can get a sampler and sample TD sounds and then > play with it. I do that and its great way to learn > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl & Jacqui Kearney [SMTP:Carl-Jacqui@k...] > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 1999 2:05 PM > To: TD EMAIL > Subject: [tadream] Talentless. > > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Hi guys Preacher here. > > I have finally been inspired enough to learn or try to learn to make some > noise, Preferably like TD eventually HA HA HA ! > Being a completely talentless Dreamer can anyone suggest where to start, > what type of keyboard, sequencer what ever. Baring in mind I have no > musical > background what so ever. Hey you all started somewhere. > Would be glad if anyone could point me in the right direction. > > Thanks in advance. Carl. The Preacher. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Having difficulty getting 'in synch' with list members? > http://www.onelist.com > Try ONElist's Shared Calendar to organize events, meetings and more! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, > > and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To > unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > How has ONElist changed your life? > Share your story with us at http://www.onelist.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, > and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To > unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: Martin Kay Hey guys, ...just for your information. It wasn´t the 'Z- man', meaning Perica, playing in the 'Mars Polaris'- show. The line- up was as follows: Edgar and Jerome Froese: keys and electronics. Emil Hachfeld: percussion. Gerald Gradwohl: guitar. Perica is not available because he is putting a full- time effort into the music of the Swiss 'local hero' mainstream act, 'Gölä'. They are extremely popular in their home country, having headed the charts for several weeks. Due to this, Zlatko is an extremely busy man these days. All the best, Martin Kay. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: Martin Kay From: 'kayleigh' > >Hey there all. BIG QUESTION, I wanted to ask IF it's possible to obtain the >new TD Cds in the US? I've seen various Cds in Best Buy from time to time >(and of course, I buy 'em all when I see something I don't have)< BUT wanted >to find out about the new ones? OR if they aren't going to hit the states, >someone mentioned Montreal? Any idea/info about a good import source for the >TD stuff? Would love to get them! > >dan > Hi, all the new TD- CD´s on TDI Music are distributed by DNA in the USA and should be widely available by now. If your local record dealer doesn´t stock them, ask him to order them directly from DNA. This way, you´ll avoid paying horrendous import prices. Otherwise, you can also order the CD´s directly from our website at: www.tdi-music-mall.de in packs of five via 'STIMPACK 5'. For a complete TDI- discography, check the above site. All the best, Martin Kay. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Mon Jun 21, 1999 10:33 am Subject: Goblin Lyrics These lyrics are a sample from a record featuring Mongolian music. They were first widely and, more extensively, used by Enigma on their third release 'Roi La Mort, Vive La Roi'. The track is called 'Child in Us'. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a translation available for this segment of the song on the Enigma homepage (although there is for all the latin some of which makes interesting reading!). Perhaps there's someone on the list who speaks Mongolian who could help us out? Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Mon Jun 21, 1999 10:50 am Subject: Re: Talentless. I think a cheaper and more flexable way of getting into playing TD stlye music is to get a good sound card for your computer and a sequencer package (you can get these free with Computer Music Magazine or I could send you one) and a cheap but full sized 5- octave midi keyboard. In terms of playing TD music, one doesn't have to be a pianist (although it'd help). Learn all the major and minor chords the 7ths etc (most music shops have suitable books), and then try and play along to or reproduce TD (I can send you the chords for all of Logos, Dolphin Dance, Choronzon etc). The sequences are harder to work out, particularly there Franke period sequences (he cleverly doubled notes with a delay to make things sound more complex than they are). You'll be surprised how easy TD music is to play! Their real skill IMO, seem to be the orchestration and the sounds they develop. Good Luck and let me know if you want some TD chords. Warm Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Rainer Rutka From: Martin Kay > Perica is not available because he is putting a full- time effort into the > music of the Swiss 'local hero' mainstream act, 'Gölä'. They are extremely > popular in their home country, having headed the charts for several weeks. > Due to this, Zlatko is an extremely busy man these days. Hi Martin ! Thanks for this info, because I'll see Gölä on 27.06. at our Zeltfestival in Konstanz. Good to get this news ! I'll try to talk to him if possible. Maybe he'll sign a TD live CD for me ;_) Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TD-page -> http://home.t-online.de/home/rutka - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17229 Re: Zlatko / Goelae Michael A. Jean Sun 7/18/1999 1 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Oleg Skrynnik' In terms of playing TD music, one doesn't have to be a pianist (although > it'd help). Learn all the major and minor chords the 7ths etc (most music > shops have suitable books), and then try and play along to or reproduce TD > (I can send you the chords for all of Logos, Dolphin Dance, > Choronzon etc). > The sequences are harder to work out, particularly there Franke period > sequences (he cleverly doubled notes with a delay to make things > sound more > complex than they are). > > You'll be surprised how easy TD music is to play! Their real skill IMO, > seem to be the orchestration and the sounds they develop. > > Good Luck and let me know if you want some TD chords. > > Warm Regards > > Anil From: Joel Mullen From: 'Oleg Skrynnik' > > > I wonder, is there any MIDIs of TD? > > Oleg. A friend gave me 42 TD MIDI files (about 1 MB) and I can e-mail you them in a zip file if you are interested. Contact me off-list. Regards, Joel From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Sorry Guys for posting this here . > > Jens your a gent, package arrived this morning. > > Thanks a million. You're welcome, matey. Hope you're pleased with what you got! Best Regards Jens Ps: Joel, what's the state of the tadream members CDR, I just came back from the final recordings of the wEirD CD and wanna know when the sampler is supposed to be released. /shameless plug/ Fancy some fresh wEirD music directly from the studios ? I'd recommend ftp://internet.sskhan.de/upload/WEIRD/Klaus to the Edge of the Meridian.mp3 Watch out, it's a BIG one (7:32, 56Kbit/s, 3.01 MB) From: Sean Montgomery From: 'Joe Shoults' From: 'Jared White' From: tomm@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Mon Jun 21, 1999 10:30 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience??? >Hi, folks, > >I just discovered this CD while browsing around Tower Records' Web site. >It's called 'Tangerine Ambience - A Tribute to Tangerine Dream', and it >appears to be a compliation of a bunch of people playing Tangerine Dream's >music in various ways, or something. Does anyone know anything about it? > >Thanks, > >Jared Yes. I picked this one up (and it's follow up - Tangerine Ambience II) a couple months back. I think that they're both excellent renditions of Tangerine Dream classics (although I like II a bit better, to I like the two original pieces on I). I like them so much that I include them in my personal TD discography (tho this my be blasphemous to some on this list). If you have I you have to pick up II if only for the excellent covers of Stratosfear and Phaedra. All in all they're both very interesting (and rarely disappointing) takes on TD. Tom From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Jun 22, 1999 2:09 am Subject: Re: TDI discography In a message dated 20-06-1999 11:28:34 PM EST, joelm@p... writes: << Phil and others-- Here is the list I have and own. >> From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Tue Jun 22, 1999 2:10 am Subject: Re: TDI discography In a message dated 20-06-1999 11:28:34 PM EST, joelm@p... writes: << Phil and others-- Here is the list I have and own. >> Thank you. Sorts out some of the confusion. Phil N. From: 'Eric Rochon' From: Joel Mullen From: 'Eric Rochon' > > Hi Everybody > > Does anyone know's where or how to reach Steve Moffitt?? One of my > friend from England is looking for this guy. He use to live in Detroit I > believe and then move... or disapear..... > > > Thank you > > Eric > Eric- I am dealing with a guy who LIVES with Steve Moffitt. Should I be worried or not? Contact me on or off list. BTW I still have to get back to you on some other things regarding out trade. Regards, Joel From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Tue Jun 22, 1999 9:14 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience??? I saw this CD once a few years ago and had never heard of any of the artists. I avoided it since there's only one TD! Anil >I just discovered this CD while browsing around Tower Records' Web site. >It's called 'Tangerine Ambience - A Tribute to Tangerine Dream', and it >appears to be a compliation of a bunch of people playing Tangerine Dream's >music in various ways, or something. Does anyone know anything about it? > >Thanks, > >Jared > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Martin Kay From: Sean Montgomery > > > >Is Mars Polaris available in the Stimpak 5 now, or only after July 29? > > >SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > Hi, I thought I´d post this to the list, since others might want to know, too. Yes, Mars Polaris is available thru STIMPACK FIVE now. Also, we will release a special package of the concert souvenirs for ordering on the website by the end of this week. This will be a special and strictly limited opportunity for all people who unfortunately weren´t able to attend the concert. It will contain: -TD- scuba- watch -Mars Polaris T- shirt (Screen Stars Premium, XL, 8- color- print) - autographed copy of 'Mars Polaris' Check: www.tdi-music-mall.de in a few days time for details and ordering (order from will be up by next weekend!) All the best, Martin Kay. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > >I saw this CD once a few years ago and had never heard of any of the >artists. I avoided it since there's only one TD! As well as little known artists, Tangerine Ambience includes new tracks by former TD members Steve Shroyder and Conrad Schnitzler. Both are very good, and the cover version are usually well-done. I'm not sure about the tendency to cram all 17-20 minutes of TD's longer pieces into only 10 minutes, but otherwise this is good. Tangerine Ambience 2 includes some material tadream (and GoldTri / Beyond_EM) list members Tony Anderson and Kent Eskilldson (apologies for the spelling) under the guises of Token Angle and Kenton Files. It's also worth noting that whilst I had a similar attitude a few years ago (there's only one TD), trying other e-music outside of the TD and ex-members arena has improved my listening experiences and lessened the weight in my pocket. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Tue Jun 22, 1999 1:17 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Covers? I went through a phase, in my teenage years, of buying ex-TD members records like Klaus Schulze and other noted electronica musicians. Unfortunately, I was always disappointed as there music was more experimental and lacked the 'catchiness' (for want of a better word) of TD's music. This, together with the fact that it took me weeks to save up my pennies in order buy these records, has left a rather bad taste in my musical mouth. I know what I like and so I buy TD (although I may just buy a Schmoelling CD)! Also, why cover other peoples music (unless you're a classical musician)? Yes, a different interpretation may be pleasing but it smacks of all these boy/girl bands covering Bee Gees songs! Surely it's more honourable to fail with ones own music than achieve transient fame for playing others music (mind you, I bet they're laughing all the way to the bank!) Steps version of Tragedy anyone? Regards Anil >As well as little known artists, Tangerine Ambience includes new tracks by >former TD members Steve Shroyder and Conrad Schnitzler. Both are very good, and >the cover version are usually well-done. I'm not sure about the tendency to >cram all 17-20 minutes of TD's longer pieces into only 10 minutes, but >otherwise this is good. > >Tangerine Ambience 2 includes some material tadream (and GoldTri / Beyond_EM) >list members Tony Anderson and Kent Eskilldson (apologies for the spelling) >under the guises of Token Angle and Kenton Files. > >It's also worth noting that whilst I had a similar attitude a few years ago >(there's only one TD), trying other e-music outside of the TD and ex-members >arena has improved my listening experiences and lessened the weight in my >pocket. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: 'Plumer, Scott' Joe Shoults, listowner >on behalf of the Tadream Mod Squad >(feeling a little corny at the end of a long day) Can I be Linc? :-) But seriously, I just tried the site twice with Netscape and it shut down both times. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16947 Re: OT: new features Joe Shoults Tue 6/22/1999 1 KB From: 'Plumer, Scott' I just discovered this CD while browsing around Tower Records' Web site. >It's called 'Tangerine Ambience - A Tribute to Tangerine Dream', and it >appears to be a compliation of a bunch of people playing Tangerine Dream's >music in various ways, or something. Does anyone know anything about it? Here's the entry on it from my book: March: Tangerine Ambience compilation released on Hypnotic (This album contains 'ambient' covers of TD tracks, plus two originals by former members: Invisible Lights (Inter-Mase), 7:50; Phaedra excerpt (Surface), 9:08; Force Majeure (Rey Project), 10:10; Mojave Plan (Supersonic Project), 10:16; Exit (Dean de Benedictis), 8:58; Dolphin Dance (Rey Project), 5:33; Bent Cold Sidewalk (Giez & Webb), 6:27; Horizon (not the TD track, but an original by Steve Schroyder & Gene Gross) 3:08; Solar Cells (Connie Schnitzler), 12:56) Schroyder and Schnitzler, you'll recal, are early members of TD, in the pre-Baumann era. Scott From: 'koulos' From: Glenn Reinicke Date: Sat Jan 1, 2000 7:01 am Subject: Re: summer time is here..... They dropped 500 or so copies of Exit out of a helicopter or airplane over Russia in 1981. Poland could be considered a feat as well > -----Original Message----- > From: koulos [SMTP:koulos@c...] > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 8:45 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] summer time is here..... > > From: 'koulos' > > as you may know it is summer > so we the youngests of the fans do stop schools and universitites to > spend some time in vacations > this is what i will do > so i wish you all a good summer and i want to wish no more wars ,peace > in all the earth and all of us to stop thinking ourselves and start > thinking our children........and how whatever we do effect them > > and a Q:beside pergamon are there other TD acts that would be > considered to be political movves?..... > maybe some conserts in countries with dictatorship or in > revolution?........ > the band care about the things happening to music only? > > this 2 Q and again have a nice summer all of you > > [Attachments have been removed from this message] > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > Looking to expand your world? > http://www.onelist.com > ONElist has 175,000 e-mail communities from which to choose! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail > option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. > To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: 'Poulton, Larry' Date: Tue Jun 22, 1999 4:08 pm Subject: Re: summer time is here..... What ??! -----Original Message----- From: koulos [mailto:koulos@c...] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 4:45 PM To: tadream@o... Subject: [tadream] summer time is here..... From: 'koulos' as you may know it is summer so we the youngests of the fans do stop schools and universitites to spend some time in vacations this is what i will do so i wish you all a good summer and i want to wish no more wars ,peace in all the earth and all of us to stop thinking ourselves and start thinking our children........and how whatever we do effect them and a Q:beside pergamon are there other TD acts that would be considered to be political movves?..... maybe some conserts in countries with dictatorship or in revolution?........ the band care about the things happening to music only? this 2 Q and again have a nice summer all of you [Attachments have been removed from this message] --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Looking to expand your world? http://www.onelist.com ONElist has 175,000 e-mail communities from which to choose! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com _____________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue Jun 22, 1999 8:38 pm Subject: Re: OT: new features Use IE. haha. just kidding. I'll check into it. Anyone else having Netscape troubles at http://tadream.copfer.com? -Joe np: Ozric Tentacles- Jurassic Shift (July 16, baby!) > -----Original Message----- > From: Plumer, Scott [mailto:Scott.Plumer@t...] ... > >Joe Shoults, listowner > >on behalf of the Tadream Mod Squad > >(feeling a little corny at the end of a long day) > > Can I be Linc? :-) > > But seriously, I just tried the site twice with Netscape and it shut down > both times. > > Scott From: Vic Rek Date: Wed Jun 23, 1999 12:39 am Subject: Re: summer time is here..... heh heh, the rumor continues - but a VERY good one! Vic Glenn Reinicke wrote: > > From: Glenn Reinicke > > They dropped 500 or so copies of Exit out of a helicopter or airplane > over Russia in 1981. Poland could be considered a feat as well From: Martin Kay > > > TDI MUSIC NEWS > > Hello there! > > Your favorite spammers are back with some news: > 1. Mars Polaris released! > 2. Dream Triplets box set available on > 'www.tdi-music-mall.de'! > > > 1. new Tangerine Dream studio album released in Germany! > > We are proud to announce that the new Tangerine Dream studio album, Mars > Polaris, has been released in Germany. The waiting is over! 71 minutes of > brand new TD sounds await you! Get dreaming! > Unfortunately, the rest of the world will have to wait until late July before > the album can be obtained in local shops. But... of course you can already > order the CD from the TDI- website as part of a STIMPACK FIVE or the DREAM > TRIPLETS box set (see news item 2 for details)! > > 2. Dream Triplets box set available on > 'www.tdi-music-mall.de'! > > For all those unfortunate souls who have not been able to come to Osnabrück > on June 12th to witness the launching of 'Mars Polaris'...and to grab hold of > some of our exquisite new merchandise items - you get a second chance! We > have them all available as one explosive bundle - THE DREAM TRIPLETS BOX SET. > You get: > > - The Tangerine Dream Scuba Watch (black and silver high- quality watch from > STRIKE with golden inlay (TD logo)) > - The 'Mars Polaris' T- Shirt (black T- Shirt, Screen Stars Premium, XL, with > 8- color- high- quality print) > - an exclusive AUTOGRAPHED copy of 'Mars Polaris' > > ALL TOGETHER FOR JUST U.S.- $ 100!!!! > > You can order this brilliant package right from our website: > > www.tdi-music-mall.de > > ...you will also find photos of the items included there. > > Don´t hesitate! BUY IT NOW! Before it is too late and it goes out of stock! > > > Well, that was all for now. See you on our website! All the best, Martin Kay. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16957 Re: TDI Music news Rainer Rutka Thu 6/24/1999 1 KB 18964 Re: TDI Music news TDI - Martin K. Mon 11/8/1999 4 KB From: 'j.gordon' From: 'Plumer, Scott' and a Q:beside pergamon are there other TD acts that would be considered to be political >movves?..... >maybe some conserts in countries with dictatorship or in revolution?........ > the band care about the things happening to music only? They toured East Germany in '82, played a concert for nuclear disarmament in East Berlin in '81 (great show!) Did another East Berlin show in '83 and a show in Wismar in '83. In '75, they did the 'Fete de L'Humanite,' sponsored by the French Communist party. All this information is from my book, _Mysterious Semblance_. :-) Scott From: 'Plumer, Scott' From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Wed Jun 23, 1999 2:26 pm Subject: Re: Opinions wanted Do you have permission to play TD music to an audience? Just thought I'd worry you a little! :-D Why not make a compilation tape with bits of different TD albums. Then you could put Three Bikers in the Sky, Optical Race, Flashflood, Two Bunch Palms etc. Or you could play them Zeit so they can know what real suffering is! Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Wed Jun 23, 1999 2:35 pm Subject: Re: Ruminations on the Red Star Rising I really enjoyed your personal review of Mars Polaris. Would you say that it carries on the muscial tradition of late 90's TD? Also, I missed a lot of the initial postings on Mars Polaris (in order to avoid some of the more irritating members of the list :-| ). Perhaps you could fill me in on some of the ideas surrounding it? For example, is it supposed to be a 'musical travelogue for a mission to Mars?'. I can't wait to hear it. Warm Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Rainer Rutka From: 'j.gordon' I really enjoyed your personal review of Mars Polaris. Tanks... > Would you say that > it carries on the muscial tradition of late 90's TD? Well, yes and no (or jein, as the Germans say)... you might say it is in the tradition of the late 90's melted together with some of the traditions of the late Franke period... really good blend of styles IMHO... (or maybe a better way to state that is: Something for everyone... ;) > Also, I missed a lot of the initial postings on Mars Polaris (in order to > avoid some of the more irritating members of the list :-| ). Perhaps you > could fill me in on some of the ideas surrounding it? For example, is it > supposed to be a 'musical travelogue for a mission to Mars?'. I actually read somewhere that this was supposed to be 'en-route' music for the probe... was that a mis-read, anyone?... in any case, I'm not an expert on the Red Star and the details given in blurb are interesting but do not logicially relate to the song titles that a (albeit searching) layman can find... Now wouldn't this be an interesting idea... having TD playing on a probe picked up by another lifeform... (better'n the stones... ;)... Anyway, I'm the wrong one to ask about conceptual infrastructure on this album... anyone else? > I can't wait to hear it. Yeah, man, I remember the first time... sigh... 8p Sunny Saturdays to you... j.gordon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16960 Re: Red Star Rising Ruminations Reply (Really...) Gabe Yedid Wed 6/23/1999 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka From: Martin Kay >> Your favorite spammers are back with some news: Damm' right Martin ! .. but this is spam we like and want to get (IMO) .... ;-) ...fine to have you here in our list ! Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Plumer, Scott [mailto:Scott.Plumer@t...] ...> open to any suggestions. Keep in mind that the crowd attending > will run the > gamut from very young to very old. Ozric Tentacles, maybe? :-D HAHA! Ozric. Yeah right! But seriously, even my grandma likes Underwater Sunlight. -Joe From: Gabe Yedid > I actually read somewhere that this was supposed to be 'en-route' music for the > probe... was that a mis-read, anyone?... Well, that is what it says on the TDI site...but I think they mean it can be used for your personal journey, I don't recall it ever having been mentioned in some kind of official capacity. > in any case, I'm not an expert on the > Red Star and the details given in blurb are interesting but do not logicially > relate to the song titles that a (albeit searching) layman can find... mmm, can't comment here until I read said blurb...but since when was Mars promoted to a star? ;) > Now wouldn't this be an interesting idea... having TD playing on a probe picked > up by another lifeform... (better'n the stones... ;)... First Bach, now TD. Good company says I ;) > j.gordon Gabe From: Richard Ford From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: Richard Ford > I have > noticed a the comments by a few regarding the two cover CD's that were > released a couple of years ago. > > I would be interested in all of your views on cover CD's and whether you > find the re-interpretations of many of the 'classics' valid, and would > any of you out there purchase another - but this time by only one > person. Listen, TD must have inspired numerous musicians correct? What better way to emulate then to do a tribute? IMS that Tangerine Ambience 2 is 'the most excellent' of the pair. All those 'covers' if not better then the originals, contribute a freshness or enhance the song. Except, on TA1, in the begining, I really liked Force Majeure. because of that, re-listened to the original & did not stop for months. The original is much better than the cover version. But other than that, I would LOVE to see any other type of TD tribute albums. But, I am actually really in a tribute album phase at the moment, so my position can be considered prejudice. BTW gang, modem was blown. Hence, long delay in me posting (if anyone was interested). I Am Back! siberkat From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: Rainer Rutka > > Hi ! > > Unfortunately all notes of 'The Keep' and the 'Topping Out' releases > are deleted. It is like they never existed ! If you own the original keep > TDI release - keep it in a save place. We'll _never_ see the official one ! OHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOO! Don't say that!!!!!!!! Ya got to have hope! LOL I mean..... What? Am I supposed to give up ? Never! Well since people say they have it & not everyone can be having one of the magical 150, then all we can do is keep searchin. > All-in-all, it's good we got an update from the TD-site - so it is still > 'living'. (but they don't answer the questions in the guestbook!). > > Rainer Yeah, or there e-mail either. But in all fairness, think of all the unbalanced individuals (myself included I am sorry to say) who bombarded them with e-mails as to where one can buy 'The Keep', when they stated that it had been released on August 15, 1998. Hey! Maybe one of you experts will contact them to apply for the job of The Official Homepage of TD e-mail replier-type-person. LOL siberkat From: 'j.gordon' From: 'Michael A. Jean' Hi ! > Today I saw the update of the official TD (not TDI) homepage. > The discography section is updated. All new records are included. > TD call the last years the 'millenium-years' (very good IMO). > > Unfortunately all notes of 'The Keep' and the 'Topping Out' releases > are deleted. It is like they never existed ! If you own the original keep > TDI release - keep it in a save place. We'll _never_ see the > official one ! > > All-in-all, it's good we got an update from the TD-site - so it is still > 'living'. (but they don't answer the questions in the guestbook!). > > Rainer > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > ONElist: where real people with real interests get connected. > http://www.onelist.com > Join a new list today! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in > your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16967 Re: TD site update The Keep Rainer Rutka Thu 6/24/1999 1 KB From: 'j.gordon' I'll have the opportunity to spin some CD's and I was wondering > which ones I should pick. Oasis and Melrose were my first thoughts, but I'm > open to any suggestions. well, since we're on the subject... I would suggest Mars Polaris... ;) In the event though that you don't happen to have one yet, then there's really only one suggestion... Green Desert... psyche! TYGER!!! (There's just no changing some people... besides we've had success with this before... why buck the system?...) \|/ :-< /|\ j.gordon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Rainer Rutka From: 'Michael A. Jean' > Its still there..... http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/keep.html > ANd so is the story about the Sony Event > http://www.tangerinedream.de/news1998.html 'If a blind man cries' ... but they are not in the 'normal' discography-section ;-) Thanks for the correction ! Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Rainer Rutka Hey Rainer, > > Unfortunately all notes of 'The Keep' and the 'Topping Out' releases > > are deleted. It is like they never existed ! If you own the original keep > > TDI release - keep it in a save place. We'll _never_ see the official one ! > OHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOO! Don't say that!!!!!!!! Ya got to have hope! LOL > I mean..... What? Am I supposed to give up ? Never! OK OK, you're right. Never give up ! I only thing I wanted to say is: IT'S A PITY ! > Hey! Maybe one of you experts will contact them to apply for the job of The > Official Homepage of TD e-mail replier-type-person. LOL Why not ? But they don't replay ;_((( (Just a joke (or not ?)) Good idea ! Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Thu Jun 24, 1999 9:09 am Subject: The Keep Does the deletion of The Keep mean that my special edition version of it will be worth something? I bought it at the last tour in Scotland and when I took it home and listened to it I was very disappointed (and still am- other than two notable tracks). But perhaps my 'mistake' was an investment? I also have Kamikaze (mediocre) and many others like 'Das Machen auf de Treppe' and the single versions of 'Warsaw in the Sun' and 'Dolphin Dance'. I was an avid buyer of TD in the 80's! However they're not really worth anything as I'd NEVER sell them! Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16975 Re: The Keep Plumer, Scott Thu 6/24/1999 2 KB 16980 Re: The Keep patricdonaghy@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx Thu 6/24/1999 1 KB 16984 Re: The Keep Steven Le Vine Fri 6/25/1999 1 KB 16986 Re: The Keep yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx Fri 6/25/1999 1 KB 17002 Re: The Keep Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 6/26/1999 1 KB 17003 Re: The Keep Thomas Sat 6/26/1999 1 KB 17135 The Keep Plumer, Scott Wed 7/7/1999 2 KB 18479 The Keep Graham Coutts Tue 10/19/1999 1 KB 18911 Re: The Keep Owens James Fri 11/5/1999 2 KB From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Thu Jun 24, 1999 10:34 am Subject: MIDI Files I just wanted to thank Joe for the TD MIDI files he sent to me. They are brilliant! I've tweaked the instrument allocation to make some of them sound better, but they really are fun. How I laughed at the reggae version of Dolphin Dance! Canyon Voices was a particularly nice file, quite at home with my PC sound card. Anyway, I'm learning to play Big Sur Romance (Pacific Coast Highway) on my piano (it was played at my wedding) and the ability to print out the music is very useful. Thanks again Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16974 Re: MIDI Files Keith Richie Thu 6/24/1999 3 KB 16982 MIDI Files W³odek Thu 6/24/1999 1 KB 17005 Re: MIDI Files Joel Mullen Sat 6/26/1999 2 KB 17006 Re: MIDI Files Joel Mullen Sat 6/26/1999 1 KB From: 'Plumer, Scott' Do you have permission to play TD music to an audience? Just thought I'd >worry you a little! :-D No, but the boss won't be there, so... :-) >Why not make a compilation tape with bits of different TD albums. Then you >could put Three Bikers in the Sky, Optical Race, Flashflood, Two Bunch Palms >etc. That's not a bad idea, except that I wanted to keep it digital so that it sounds best. When you crank a tape through a big PA system, the tape hiss is too noticeable. >Or you could play them Zeit so they can know what real suffering is! Now there's an idea... Actually, I want to present a POSITIVE image for the college I work at! Our enrollment's dropping, I don't want it to disappear entirely! :-D Scott From: 'Plumer, Scott' Unfortunately all notes of 'The Keep' and the 'Topping Out' releases >are deleted. It is like they never existed ! If you own the original keep >TDI release - keep it in a save place. We'll _never_ see the official one ! So what do the erudite members of this list recommend for storage of rare CD's? Scott From: 'j.gordon' So what do the erudite members of this list recommend for storage of rare > CD's? Liquid Nitrogen... ;) j.gordon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Keith Richie -----Original Message----- > From: Anil Sahal [mailto:9148621s@u...] > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 5:35 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] MIDI Files > > > From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > > I just wanted to thank Joe for the TD MIDI files he sent to > me. They are > brilliant! I've tweaked the instrument allocation to make > some of them > sound better, but they really are fun. How I laughed at the > reggae version > of Dolphin Dance! > Canyon Voices was a particularly nice file, quite at home > with my PC sound card. > > Anyway, I'm learning to play Big Sur Romance (Pacific Coast > Highway) on my > piano (it was played at my wedding) and the ability to print > out the music > is very useful. > > Thanks again > > Anil > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > ----- > Anil Sahal > Motoneurone Research Group > Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems > West Medical Building > University of Glasgow > Glasgow > Scotland > G12 8QQ > 0141-339-8855 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > ----- > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > Live La Vida Loca at Amazon.com! Come browse Earth's Biggest > Selection > of Ricky Martin CDs, videos, and books! Save up to 30%. > Check it out: Click Here > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in > your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'Plumer, Scott' Does the deletion of The Keep mean that my special edition version of it >will be worth something? I bought it at the last tour in Scotland and when I >took it home and listened to it I was very disappointed (and still am- other >than two notable tracks). But perhaps my 'mistake' was an investment? It already is! I remember seeing someone on the other list offering $120 for it. Your other TD items are valuable as well, but then, why would you want to sell them? Perhaps your descendants will sell them and reap the benefits. While we're on the subject, the value of various TD rarities has always intrigued me. There are a few thing in particular that I'm interested in what the prices might be, such as The Man Inside on EMI, Quichotte on colored vinyl on Amiga, the clear-cut of FM, Ohr edition of EM, AC, Atem and Zeit, the 12' of the 'Towards the Evening Star' remix by The Orb, and a few others. I don't have all of thes, but I'd still be interested in know what they're worth. Scott From: 'Kevin Earley' From: 'Alan Benson' From: duncan@m... Date: Thu Jun 24, 1999 5:41 pm Subject: sales list Hi Dreamers Here are a few items i have for sale:- all prices include postage & packing in pounds and dollars. COMPACT DISC'S RUMPELSTILTSKIN (RABBIT EARS R2 70458 STORY & POSTER) £31 $57 A TIME FOR HEROES (ORPHEUM ORP-060187-D) £31 $57 SHEPERDS BUSH no. 1473 of 2000(TDI006CD) £21 $40 DREAMTIME (MIRIMAR 206-284-4700) States Limited edition £21 $40 MACULA TRANSFER (MANIKN RECORDS) £26 $40 PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY (AUTOGRAPHED) (VIRGIN CDV 2661) £31 $57 BABYLON 5 AUTOGRAPHED No. 1352 (SONIC IMAGES FIRST RELEASE) £26 £47 FIRESTARTER (VIDEO CD) £11 $20 BOOTLEGS ALL THE BELOW ARE OFFICIAL BOOTS NOT CDR'S ME-RAD ARDEMO COLLECTED ENDINGS (ALL THREE FOR £63 $120) all the following are £21 OR $40 INCLUDING p&p ANTARKTIS MYSTERY TRACKS IN DEN GARTEN PHARAOS/BICYCLE RACE DREAMING DREAMING ON DAMFORTH AVENUE SOUNDTRACK FOR FANTASY 70/90 I ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF JEAN MICHEL JARRE STUFF TO GET RID OF SINGLES Revolutions (PO 25) 7' £4 $7 Oxygene (PO 55) 7' £4 $7 London Kid (PO 32) 7' £4 $7 Calypso (PO 84) 7' £4 $7 London Kid (PZ 32) 12' £7 $13 Revolutions (PZ 25) 12' £7 $13 Oxygene (PZ 55) 12' £7 $13 Rendez-Vous IV (POSPX 788) ( Skyline cover Very Rare)12 ' £26 $47 ALBUMS Oxygene (Polydor Super 2310 555) £11 $20 Equinoxe (Polydor Deluxe Pold 5007) £11 $20 Magnetic Fields (2344166) £6 $13 The Concerts in China (PODV 3) Double LP £11 $20 The Essential (PRO LP 3) £6 $13 Zoolook (POLH15) £6 $13 The Essential 1976-1986 (826420.1) £11 $20 Rendezvous (POLH 27) £6 $13 In Concert (POLH 36) £6 $13 Revolutions (837 098-1 POLH 45) £6 $13 Jarre Live (814 258-1) £6 $13 Waiting for Cousteu (834 614-1) £6 $13 Images (511 306-1) £6 $13 COMPACT DISCS Revolutions (CD 837 098-2) £6 $12 Jarre Live (841 258-2) £6 $13 Waiting for Cousteu (843 614-2) £6 $13 Images (511 306-2) £6 $13 DONT HESITATE TO EMAIL ME IF THERE IS SOMETHING YOU WANT Duncan McKee ICQ 41739379 Duncan@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16979 Re: sales list Joe Shoults Thu 6/24/1999 2 KB 16983 Re: sales list Carl & Jacqui Kearney Thu 6/24/1999 1 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Jun 24, 1999 6:00 pm Subject: Re: sales list A friendly reminder: Posting messages about the sale of your licensed music is just fine on this list, but please omit efforts to discuss, sell or promote the sale of bootlegs or unlicensed material. Please ask for people to contact you off-list for these or any similar activities. I will reiterate from our welcome message: '4) Lastly, please be sensitive to the fact that any discussion of illegal activities, i.e. bootlegging or music piracy cannot be advocated or condoned by the listowners and moderators, and we request that any references to such be conducted off-list.' This does not preclude the discussion of specific concerts, as Al Benson has done earlier today for example. (thanks, Alan!) If this is not clear enough, please feel free to contact the moderators directly for clarification at mailto:tadream-owner@o... Thank you, Joe Shoults, listowner > -----Original Message----- > From: duncan@m... > Hi Dreamers > Here are a few items i have for sale:- > all prices include postage & packing in pounds and dollars. > From: patricdonaghy@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Thu Jun 24, 1999 6:08 pm Subject: Re: The Keep I sold The Man Inside cd on EMI (French release) for $130.00 about 3 months ago. I do have another one for sale as well. Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions From: 'Joe Shoults' up by another lifeform... (better'n the stones... ;)... First Bach, now TD. Good company says I ;) > j.gordon Gabe From: Richard Ford From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: Richard Ford > I have > noticed a the comments by a few regarding the two cover CD's that were > released a couple of years ago. > > I would be interested in all of your views on cover CD's and whether you > find the re-interpretations of many of the 'classics' valid, and would > any of you out there purchase another - but this time by only one > person. Listen, TD must have inspired numerous musicians correct? What better way to emulate then to do a tribute? IMS that Tangerine Ambience 2 is 'the most excellent' of the pair. All those 'covers' if not better then the originals, contribute a freshness or enhance the song. Except, on TA1, in the begining, I really liked Force Majeure. because of that, re-listened to the original & did not stop for months. The original is much better than the cover version. But other than that, I would LOVE to see any other type of TD tribute albums. But, I am actually really in a tribute album phase at the moment, so my position can be considered prejudice. BTW gang, modem was blown. Hence, long delay in me posting (if anyone was interested). I Am Back! siberkat From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: Rainer Rutka > > Hi ! > > Unfortunately all notes of 'The Keep' and the 'Topping Out' releases > are deleted. It is like they never existed ! If you own the original keep > TDI release - keep it in a save place. We'll _never_ see the official one ! OHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOO! Don't say that!!!!!!!! Ya got to have hope! LOL I mean..... What? Am I supposed to give up ? Never! Well since people say they have it & not everyone can be having one of the magical 150, then all we can do is keep searchin. > All-in-all, it's good we got an update from the TD-site - so it is still > 'living'. (but they don't answer the questions in the guestbook!). > > Rainer Yeah, or there e-mail either. But in all fairness, think of all the unbalanced individuals (myself included I am sorry to say) who bombarded them with e-mails as to where one can buy 'The Keep', when they stated that it had been released on August 15, 1998. Hey! Maybe one of you experts will contact them to apply for the job of The Official Homepage of TD e-mail replier-type-person. LOL siberkat From: 'j.gordon' From: 'Michael A. Jean' Hi ! > Today I saw the update of the official TD (not TDI) homepage. > The discography section is updated. All new records are included. > TD call the last years the 'millenium-years' (very good IMO). > > Unfortunately all notes of 'The Keep' and the 'Topping Out' releases > are deleted. It is like they never existed ! If you own the original keep > TDI release - keep it in a save place. We'll _never_ see the > official one ! > > All-in-all, it's good we got an update from the TD-site - so it is still > 'living'. (but they don't answer the questions in the guestbook!). > > Rainer > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > ONElist: where real people with real interests get connected. > http://www.onelist.com > Join a new list today! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in > your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16967 Re: TD site update The Keep Rainer Rutka Thu 6/24/1999 1 KB From: 'j.gordon' I'll have the opportunity to spin some CD's and I was wondering > which ones I should pick. Oasis and Melrose were my first thoughts, but I'm > open to any suggestions. well, since we're on the subject... I would suggest Mars Polaris... ;) In the event though that you don't happen to have one yet, then there's really only one suggestion... Green Desert... psyche! TYGER!!! (There's just no changing some people... besides we've had success with this before... why buck the system?...) \|/ :-< /|\ j.gordon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Rainer Rutka From: 'Michael A. Jean' > Its still there..... http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/keep.html > ANd so is the story about the Sony Event > http://www.tangerinedream.de/news1998.html 'If a blind man cries' ... but they are not in the 'normal' discography-section ;-) Thanks for the correction ! Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Rainer Rutka Hey Rainer, > > Unfortunately all notes of 'The Keep' and the 'Topping Out' releases > > are deleted. It is like they never existed ! If you own the original keep > > TDI release - keep it in a save place. We'll _never_ see the official one ! > OHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOO! Don't say that!!!!!!!! Ya got to have hope! LOL > I mean..... What? Am I supposed to give up ? Never! OK OK, you're right. Never give up ! I only thing I wanted to say is: IT'S A PITY ! > Hey! Maybe one of you experts will contact them to apply for the job of The > Official Homepage of TD e-mail replier-type-person. LOL Why not ? But they don't replay ;_((( (Just a joke (or not ?)) Good idea ! Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Thu Jun 24, 1999 9:09 am Subject: The Keep Does the deletion of The Keep mean that my special edition version of it will be worth something? I bought it at the last tour in Scotland and when I took it home and listened to it I was very disappointed (and still am- other than two notable tracks). But perhaps my 'mistake' was an investment? I also have Kamikaze (mediocre) and many others like 'Das Machen auf de Treppe' and the single versions of 'Warsaw in the Sun' and 'Dolphin Dance'. I was an avid buyer of TD in the 80's! However they're not really worth anything as I'd NEVER sell them! Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16975 Re: The Keep Plumer, Scott Thu 6/24/1999 2 KB 16980 Re: The Keep patricdonaghy@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx Thu 6/24/1999 1 KB 16984 Re: The Keep Steven Le Vine Fri 6/25/1999 1 KB 16986 Re: The Keep yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx Fri 6/25/1999 1 KB 17002 Re: The Keep Andrew J. Rozsa Sat 6/26/1999 1 KB 17003 Re: The Keep Thomas Sat 6/26/1999 1 KB 17135 The Keep Plumer, Scott Wed 7/7/1999 2 KB 18479 The Keep Graham Coutts Tue 10/19/1999 1 KB 18911 Re: The Keep Owens James Fri 11/5/1999 2 KB From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Thu Jun 24, 1999 10:34 am Subject: MIDI Files I just wanted to thank Joe for the TD MIDI files he sent to me. They are brilliant! I've tweaked the instrument allocation to make some of them sound better, but they really are fun. How I laughed at the reggae version of Dolphin Dance! Canyon Voices was a particularly nice file, quite at home with my PC sound card. Anyway, I'm learning to play Big Sur Romance (Pacific Coast Highway) on my piano (it was played at my wedding) and the ability to print out the music is very useful. Thanks again Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16974 Re: MIDI Files Keith Richie Thu 6/24/1999 3 KB 16982 MIDI Files W³odek Thu 6/24/1999 1 KB 17005 Re: MIDI Files Joel Mullen Sat 6/26/1999 2 KB 17006 Re: MIDI Files Joel Mullen Sat 6/26/1999 1 KB From: 'Plumer, Scott' Do you have permission to play TD music to an audience? Just thought I'd >worry you a little! :-D No, but the boss won't be there, so... :-) >Why not make a compilation tape with bits of different TD albums. Then you >could put Three Bikers in the Sky, Optical Race, Flashflood, Two Bunch Palms >etc. That's not a bad idea, except that I wanted to keep it digital so that it sounds best. When you crank a tape through a big PA system, the tape hiss is too noticeable. >Or you could play them Zeit so they can know what real suffering is! Now there's an idea... Actually, I want to present a POSITIVE image for the college I work at! Our enrollment's dropping, I don't want it to disappear entirely! :-D Scott From: 'Plumer, Scott' Unfortunately all notes of 'The Keep' and the 'Topping Out' releases >are deleted. It is like they never existed ! If you own the original keep >TDI release - keep it in a save place. We'll _never_ see the official one ! So what do the erudite members of this list recommend for storage of rare CD's? Scott From: 'j.gordon' So what do the erudite members of this list recommend for storage of rare > CD's? Liquid Nitrogen... ;) j.gordon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Keith Richie -----Original Message----- > From: Anil Sahal [mailto:9148621s@u...] > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 5:35 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] MIDI Files > > > From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > > I just wanted to thank Joe for the TD MIDI files he sent to > me. They are > brilliant! I've tweaked the instrument allocation to make > some of them > sound better, but they really are fun. How I laughed at the > reggae version > of Dolphin Dance! > Canyon Voices was a particularly nice file, quite at home > with my PC sound card. > > Anyway, I'm learning to play Big Sur Romance (Pacific Coast > Highway) on my > piano (it was played at my wedding) and the ability to print > out the music > is very useful. > > Thanks again > > Anil > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > ----- > Anil Sahal > Motoneurone Research Group > Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems > West Medical Building > University of Glasgow > Glasgow > Scotland > G12 8QQ > 0141-339-8855 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > ----- > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > Live La Vida Loca at Amazon.com! Come browse Earth's Biggest > Selection > of Ricky Martin CDs, videos, and books! Save up to 30%. > Check it out: Click Here > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Please practice listserv etiquette by turning off your HTML > e-mail option, and appropriately editing original messages in > your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'Plumer, Scott' Does the deletion of The Keep mean that my special edition version of it >will be worth something? I bought it at the last tour in Scotland and when I >took it home and listened to it I was very disappointed (and still am- other >than two notable tracks). But perhaps my 'mistake' was an investment? It already is! I remember seeing someone on the other list offering $120 for it. Your other TD items are valuable as well, but then, why would you want to sell them? Perhaps your descendants will sell them and reap the benefits. While we're on the subject, the value of various TD rarities has always intrigued me. There are a few thing in particular that I'm interested in what the prices might be, such as The Man Inside on EMI, Quichotte on colored vinyl on Amiga, the clear-cut of FM, Ohr edition of EM, AC, Atem and Zeit, the 12' of the 'Towards the Evening Star' remix by The Orb, and a few others. I don't have all of thes, but I'd still be interested in know what they're worth. Scott From: 'Kevin Earley' From: 'Alan Benson' From: duncan@m... Date: Thu Jun 24, 1999 5:41 pm Subject: sales list Hi Dreamers Here are a few items i have for sale:- all prices include postage & packing in pounds and dollars. COMPACT DISC'S RUMPELSTILTSKIN (RABBIT EARS R2 70458 STORY & POSTER) £31 $57 A TIME FOR HEROES (ORPHEUM ORP-060187-D) £31 $57 SHEPERDS BUSH no. 1473 of 2000(TDI006CD) £21 $40 DREAMTIME (MIRIMAR 206-284-4700) States Limited edition £21 $40 MACULA TRANSFER (MANIKN RECORDS) £26 $40 PACIFIC COAST HIGHWAY (AUTOGRAPHED) (VIRGIN CDV 2661) £31 $57 BABYLON 5 AUTOGRAPHED No. 1352 (SONIC IMAGES FIRST RELEASE) £26 £47 FIRESTARTER (VIDEO CD) £11 $20 BOOTLEGS ALL THE BELOW ARE OFFICIAL BOOTS NOT CDR'S ME-RAD ARDEMO COLLECTED ENDINGS (ALL THREE FOR £63 $120) all the following are £21 OR $40 INCLUDING p&p ANTARKTIS MYSTERY TRACKS IN DEN GARTEN PHARAOS/BICYCLE RACE DREAMING DREAMING ON DAMFORTH AVENUE SOUNDTRACK FOR FANTASY 70/90 I ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF JEAN MICHEL JARRE STUFF TO GET RID OF SINGLES Revolutions (PO 25) 7' £4 $7 Oxygene (PO 55) 7' £4 $7 London Kid (PO 32) 7' £4 $7 Calypso (PO 84) 7' £4 $7 London Kid (PZ 32) 12' £7 $13 Revolutions (PZ 25) 12' £7 $13 Oxygene (PZ 55) 12' £7 $13 Rendez-Vous IV (POSPX 788) ( Skyline cover Very Rare)12 ' £26 $47 ALBUMS Oxygene (Polydor Super 2310 555) £11 $20 Equinoxe (Polydor Deluxe Pold 5007) £11 $20 Magnetic Fields (2344166) £6 $13 The Concerts in China (PODV 3) Double LP £11 $20 The Essential (PRO LP 3) £6 $13 Zoolook (POLH15) £6 $13 The Essential 1976-1986 (826420.1) £11 $20 Rendezvous (POLH 27) £6 $13 In Concert (POLH 36) £6 $13 Revolutions (837 098-1 POLH 45) £6 $13 Jarre Live (814 258-1) £6 $13 Waiting for Cousteu (834 614-1) £6 $13 Images (511 306-1) £6 $13 COMPACT DISCS Revolutions (CD 837 098-2) £6 $12 Jarre Live (841 258-2) £6 $13 Waiting for Cousteu (843 614-2) £6 $13 Images (511 306-2) £6 $13 DONT HESITATE TO EMAIL ME IF THERE IS SOMETHING YOU WANT Duncan McKee ICQ 41739379 Duncan@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16979 Re: sales list Joe Shoults Thu 6/24/1999 2 KB 16983 Re: sales list Carl & Jacqui Kearney Thu 6/24/1999 1 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Jun 24, 1999 6:00 pm Subject: Re: sales list A friendly reminder: Posting messages about the sale of your licensed music is just fine on this list, but please omit efforts to discuss, sell or promote the sale of bootlegs or unlicensed material. Please ask for people to contact you off-list for these or any similar activities. I will reiterate from our welcome message: '4) Lastly, please be sensitive to the fact that any discussion of illegal activities, i.e. bootlegging or music piracy cannot be advocated or condoned by the listowners and moderators, and we request that any references to such be conducted off-list.' This does not preclude the discussion of specific concerts, as Al Benson has done earlier today for example. (thanks, Alan!) If this is not clear enough, please feel free to contact the moderators directly for clarification at mailto:tadream-owner@o... Thank you, Joe Shoults, listowner > -----Original Message----- > From: duncan@m... > Hi Dreamers > Here are a few items i have for sale:- > all prices include postage & packing in pounds and dollars. > From: patricdonaghy@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Thu Jun 24, 1999 6:08 pm Subject: Re: The Keep I sold The Man Inside cd on EMI (French release) for $130.00 about 3 months ago. I do have another one for sale as well. Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions From: 'Joe Shoults' From: W³odek From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' To: Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 6:41 PM Subject: [tadream] sales list > From: duncan@m... > > Hi Dreamers > Here are a few items i have for sale:- > all prices include postage & packing in pounds and dollars. > > COMPACT DISC'S > FIRESTARTER (VIDEO CD) £11 $20 Hey Duncan hows it hangin, Can you give me some more details on the Firestarter CD which release is it Mca or Virgin ? The Preacher ICQ 38818818. From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: patricdonaghy@w... (Patric Donaghy) > > I sold The Man Inside cd on EMI (French release) for $130.00 about 3 > months ago. That is so COOOOOOOLLLLLL! Cause I actually own it. 12' of the 'Towards the Evening Star' remix by The Orb (Hey Scott you mean the CD or Vinyl? I got the CD single) You guys make feel like a real fan even though I only got under 70 TD CDs. Now if only I had 'The Keep'........... siberkat ---------- > > Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions > From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Kevin Earley' > > Greetings, > > Basically, the reason it is a good album, IMO is because the original songs >were so good. None of these covers really add anything to the originals. ...if it ain't broke, don't fix it... >They are not note for note copies, but they don't depart very far from >TD's original vision either. Er, what about that cover of 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'? About all it had in common with the original was the lyrics. There seemed to be absolutely no attempt to keep even a smidgen of the original music in there. In this particular case though, TD might approve ;) > In my opinion, a cover is successful only if it adds something new. Yes, it should add something new, but its relationship to the original should be musically obvious in some way. The example you cite below, and the one I did above, just took the lyrics and put them to new music. And we also have The Orb's 'cover' of 'Towards the Evening Star', which has maybe one note in common with the TD original ;). I think that taking, say, 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' and giving it a thrash metal bent, while still keeping most of the original musical elements, would have been better than just taking the lyrics and putting them into what was really a new song. So does this mean you don't like any of the 'covers' that TD has done of their own pieces? >An example is Marilyn Mansons version of the Eurythmics 'Sweet Dreams >(are made of this)'. You may not like Marilyn Manson (I am not too >impressed myself), but he at least makes the song sound like one of his >own. Yes...he sort of had to, because a Marilyn Manson song that actually sounded anything like '80s synth pop just couldn't be taken seriously. ;) I would be far more impressed with TA 1 if any of the bands had >stamped their own personality on the tracks. By this reasoning, that should make Will Smith's version of 'Wild Wild West' a work of art, right? ;) (for those who don't know, the original is by Kool Moe D.--who also appears in Will's video, I think) > Kevin Earley Gabe From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Fri Jun 25, 1999 7:27 am Subject: Re: The Keep > From: patricdonaghy@w... (Patric Donaghy) > > I sold The Man Inside cd on EMI (French release) for $130.00 about 3 > months ago. I do have another one for sale as well. > Hi everyone 130 $ for 'l'affaire wallfraff' ??! Why is it now so expensive.? (I think i gonna buy every copies i find in France to resell them.) it's too weird. I can unerstand this price for The keep or the Sony CD but 'l'affaire wallraff'... Yannick Edom Mirage Conceptions Visuelles Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'De Kruis, Hans H SNV-MCF/9' > TDI MUSIC NEWS > > 1. new Tangerine Dream studio album released in Germany! > We are proud to announce that the new Tangerine Dream studio album, Mars > > Polaris, has been released in Germany. The waiting is over! 71 minutes > of > > brand new TD sounds await you! Get dreaming! > > Unfortunately, the rest of the world will have to wait until late July > before the album can be obtained in local shops. How can it be that I have heard that some people who were NOT on Klangart still bought the album? > > 2. Dream Triplets box set available on > > 'www.tdi-music-mall.de'! > > You get: > > - The Tangerine Dream Scuba Watch (black and silver high- quality watch > from > > STRIKE with golden inlay (TD logo)) > > - The 'Mars Polaris' T- Shirt (black T- Shirt, Screen Stars Premium, XL, > with > > 8- color- high- quality print) > > - an exclusive AUTOGRAPHED copy of 'Mars Polaris' > > > > ALL TOGETHER FOR JUST U.S.- $ 100!!!! Well, let me see. $100 is about DM 200. The watch was (if I remember correct) DM 70, the shirt DM30 and the cd DM25. So, an autographe cost Dm 75. > > > > You can order this brilliant package right from our website: > > www.tdi-music-mall.de No, thank you. I'll put my own autograph on it, that is a lot cheaper. By the way, they had to sign the cd's which were sold at the concert. There were people from all over the world to see them. That was much friendlier to them who travelled from far away. > All the best, > > Martin Kay. > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > Greetings, Hans From: 'Plumer, Scott' From: 'Plumer, Scott' That is so COOOOOOOLLLLLL! Cause I actually own it. I can dig it! I picked mine up for $7 at a used CD shop! >12' of the 'Towards the Evening Star' remix by The Orb (Hey Scott you mean >the CD or Vinyl? I got the CD single) Vinyl. It's blue with gold sparkles. I bought mine from Lars. I love the tune, too. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 16990 Re: Values (Was: The Keep) Poulton, Larry Fri 6/25/1999 2 KB 17001 Re: Values (Was: The Keep) Steven Le Vine Sat 6/26/1999 1 KB From: 'Poulton, Larry' >That is so COOOOOOOLLLLLL! Cause I actually own it. I can dig it! I picked mine up for $7 at a used CD shop! >12' of the 'Towards the Evening Star' remix by The Orb (Hey Scott you mean >the CD or Vinyl? I got the CD single) Vinyl. It's blue with gold sparkles. I bought mine from Lars. I love the tune, too. Scott _____________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Poulton, Larry' > > Whilst on the subject of money - how much would the 70-80 4LP box set fetch > nowadays? Not that i could be parted from it of course!!! 8) Over here in Germany it's between 30 and 90 DM (16-48$) depending on the condition. I've paid 70 DM for one in excellent condition recently. Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17004 Re: 70/80 value Thomas Sat 6/26/1999 1 KB From: 'Jared White' -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 [mailto:craig.cordrey@g...] > > Having said all that, I feel this album is better than Goblin's > Club - it has a > more consistent feel despite its many past references. Mars > Polaris battles > with parts of What a Blast and Transibberia for the title of > 'Best TD material > of the late 90s', but hardly makes a dent in the stronghold of > classic TD from > the past. Better than Goblin's Club, eh? That's all I need to know, because that must mean it's an incredible album. ;) BTW, what's the matter with past references? From past postings of yours, it would seem you regard TD's early(er) work (70's-mid 80's) as superior , so wouldn't you regard that as a plus? Also, you mention 'Spiral Star Date' having a Turn of the Tides/Tyranny of Beauty feel to it. Does that make it bad? Turn of the Tides is great album, and I'm beginning to appreciate Tyranny of Beauty as well. To be honest with you all, I have very few of TD's early albums. I have Logos, Sorcerer, and the Dream Sequence double-CD compilation. Some of you may recoil in horror in what I'm about to say, but I don't even like Logos that much. It has its nice moments, but a lot of the time it just drags on and on and sounds like analog synthesizer noodling. Sorcerer? Eh, it's OK. There are some very nice pieces on Dream Sequence, but none that stand out and say 'BUY THE ALBUM I'M ON!'. Then, I have Optical Race, Lily on the Beach, and Melrose. I enjoy OR and Melrose a lot, with Melrose being the better of the two I think. But Lily on the Beach is awful -- the worse of TD that I've heard (I haven't heard Rockoon yet, though :)). So, that leaves us with the 90's. I have Turn of the Tides, Tyranny of Beauty, Goblin's Club, and the Dream Mixes DVD. My opinion? Turn of the Tides is incredible. Tyranny of Beauty isn't terribly inspired, IMHO, but I'm beginning to enjoy it greatly. And then Goblin's Club is incredible again. Dream Mixes is a bit too 'dance/techno' for me, but there are some nice new pieces/remixes on there. Generally, though, I think that the 90's sound (well, I can't comment on Rockoon and 220 Volt) is really great, and in a lot of ways I like it better than any of the other TD periods and sounds I've heard. Shocked? Perhaps it's because I've only really become familar with TD's work in the past few years. In fact, I grew up listening to Optical Race (and Dream Sequence -- my dad was a fan of TD's back in the early days, but he didn't rebuy many TD albums in CD format). That dates me, doesn't it? :) But what really got me into being a 'hardcore TD fan' is getting into the 90's TD material. So I feel the same way about 'Turn of the Tides' as some of you might feel about Tangram, or Logos, or whatever. ;) Anyway, to get to the point, the very things that you, Craig, dislike about Mars Polaris are probably the things I'll like about it. When you talk about 'Goblin's Club rambling', my ears perk up. So, based on your review, it sounds like I'll like Mars Polaris a great deal. Sorry for the rambling, but every once in a while, I feel like coming out and doing my 'pro-90's' spiel. You can press the delete button when my messages come in if you want.... Take care, Jared _____________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@s... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com iReview: http://www.gaeldesign.com/ireview The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: Jeff Stevenson From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Stevenson > Joe, on the TDream onelist homepage you have music play when the 'album > list' list clicked on. What is this from? > The Keep, but I couldn't tell you which song, as I lent my Keep disc to a friend a few months ago, and haven't seen it since. Thanks for reminding me to get it back! I think I put a Keep snippet on the Tech Support link, too. Eventually, I'll get around to making a 'play' area, where you can manually set sound snippets to loops and play around with the mouse making music. Kinda a backburner thing. I need to get a little more proficient with Flash first, though. -Joe From: 'Kevin Earley' ...if it ain't broke, don't fix it... I have always assumed that Band B does a cover of Band A's song because they think that it will sound better (to them, at least) performed in their way. It doesn't hurt that it is easier to get radio exposure with a cover than with new material. There is little point in doing a cover that too closely resembles the original. > Yes, it should add something new, but its relationship to the original > should be musically obvious in some way. I definitely agree with you on this. My ears hear MMs version of Sweet Dreams slightly differently than yours do . > Er, what about that cover of 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'? OK, you're correct here as well . > So does this mean you don't like any of the 'covers' that TD has done of > their own pieces? I assume you mean their various re-mix efforts. Personally I don't understand the rationale behind re-mixes. Semantically speaking, TD can't cover their own material - they are free to re-interpret it however. Generally, I try to listen to the re-mixes as 'new' material, without referring to the original. Kevin Earley kearley@r... np: TA1 - Bent Cold Sidewalk From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Jun 25, 1999 6:58 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience > I have always assumed that Band B does a cover of Band A's song because they > think that it will sound better (to them, at least) performed in their > way. Perhaps...although it can also be just because Band B is a fan of Band A. This is certainly the case with the Tangerine Ambience collections. Plus, don't forget that when new bands start playing live, they often don't have enough of their own material to fill a show, so they do covers. These can become crowd favourites, and eventually get released because the fans want them. > It doesn't hurt that it is easier to get radio exposure with a > cover than with new material. There is little point in doing a cover > that too closely resembles the original. This is just my opinion, but I think you've identified the reason why we're hearing so many cover versions on the radio these days. Radio, and the entertainment industry in general - are driven by the desire for maximum profits. Advertisers will take their dollars away from a radio station that isn't delivering them their target demographics. So radio plays the market research game, looking for sure-fire hits with focus group testing. And a cover version of a song that's already been a hit will test high because listeners are already familiar with the song, whereas a new song may take time to grow on them. Plus, recording a quick cover version keeps an artist in the spotlight when they're between albums. Covers also allow a media conglomerate to take songs from artists in their back catalogue, get them re-recorded by some of their current hot artists, and make money both on the sales of the cover, and on increased interest in the old song. It also makes for an instant hot-selling movie soundtrack. > > So does this mean you don't like any of the 'covers' that TD has done of > > their own pieces? > > I assume you mean their various re-mix efforts. Personally I don't > understand the rationale behind re-mixes. I assume that you mean stuff like the Stratosfear 1995 and Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal, rather than the Dream Mixes. Here, we can only speculate what the rationale would be. Creative laziness, perhaps? To give Jerome and Edgar sole 'ownership' of the music by removing the sonic contributions of former members? Or maybe they really feel that they can do the old music better with newer sounds? Certainly, in a concert setting it allows the old song to sit better with new material. But few of these reinterpretations do anything for me, apart from the Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe single. Now, if you *do* include the Dream Mixes in this discussion...well, I feel that they added a *lot* to the originals. In fact, I never listen to ToB or ToTT at all, but the remixes are great. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Jun 25, 1999 8:34 pm Subject: TD from K-Tel http://www.ktel.com/cgi-bin/artistcatalog.pl?Session=130639424&Artist=TANGER INE*DREAM found a strange Dream Roots cover I hadn't seen before. Thought some of you might be interested... -joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17000 Re: TD from K-Tel JMPoer Fri 6/25/1999 1 KB 17009 Re: TD from K-Tel Michael A. Jean Sun 6/27/1999 2 KB 17016 Re: TD from K-Tel joe shoults Sun 6/27/1999 1 KB From: 'Jonathan Schick' Date: Fri Jun 25, 1999 10:16 pm Subject: Thief Yang, etc. I assume that you mean stuff like the Stratosfear 1995 and Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal, *** where are these mixes to be found? Jonathan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17046 Re: Thief Yang, etc. Fabien Dumay Mon 6/28/1999 2 KB 17047 Re: Thief Yang, etc. Jens Peschke Mon 6/28/1999 2 KB 17048 Re: Thief Yang, etc. Joel Mullen Mon 6/28/1999 3 KB 17051 Re: Thief Yang, etc. Carlo Ruggiero Mon 6/28/1999 1 KB From: JMPoer Date: Fri Jun 25, 1999 10:34 pm Subject: Re: TD from K-Tel At 04:34 PM 6/25/1999 -0400, you wrote: >From: 'Joe Shoults' > >http://www.ktel.com/cgi-bin/artistcatalog.pl?Session=130639424&Artist=TANGER >INE*DREAM > >found a strange Dream Roots cover I hadn't seen before. Thought some of you >might be interested... > >-joe Joel, I think what you found is one of two possibilities: a) It's a graphic that KTEL generated because they didn't have the correct one....as they did on several other items in that same list. or b) KTEL is using a 'common database' with other dealers, which has several odd errors. If you look at the cover shown for Dream Mixes on quite a few different dealers pages you'll find a 'Red Ants' cover instead of the Dream Mixes cover. John M. Poer jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Fri Jun 25, 1999 11:45 pm Subject: Re: Values (Was: The Keep) Heya Scott, > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >>That is so COOOOOOOLLLLLL! Cause I actually own it. > I can dig it! I picked mine up for $7 at a used CD shop! ME TOO!!! The clerk told me it was traded by someone who has 'strange tastes' in music. I got TANGRAM EXIT LIVE MILES DESTINATION BERLIN as well as a few others from used CD shops. See gang, the stuff's out there, ya just got to look! 'Keep' searching, siberkat From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' Date: Sat Jun 26, 1999 6:20 am Subject: Re: The Keep At 08:27 6/25/99 +0100, Edom Yannick wrote: > >130 $ for 'l'affaire wallfraff' ??! > >Why is it now so expensive.? Because some are willing to pay that much for it. Andrew From: 'Thomas' Date: Sat Jun 26, 1999 9:39 am Subject: Re: The Keep >From: yannick.edom@s... (Edom Yannick) > >130 $ for 'l'affaire wallfraff' ??! > >Why is it now so expensive.? > Because it is very rare. If you do find a copy Yannick - please let me know! Best regards, Thomas Bertilsson Sweden From: 'Thomas' Date: Sat Jun 26, 1999 9:45 am Subject: Re: 70/80 value >From: 'Jens Peschke' > >> From: 'Poulton, Larry' >> >> Whilst on the subject of money - how much would the 70-80 4LP box set >fetch >> nowadays? Not that i could be parted from it of course!!! 8) > >Over here in Germany it's between 30 and 90 DM (16-48$) depending >on the condition. I've paid 70 DM for one in excellent condition recently. > >Jens I ordered a copy from the UK about two years ago, and I paid UKP 32 for mine, which is in excellent+ condition. So like Jens says, it really depends on the condition. I have seen a very good+ copy at Ultima Thule for UKP 28 - which is fair. Thomas Bertilsson Sweden From: Joel Mullen From: =?iso-8859-2?B?V7NvZGVr?= > > Hi to Everyone! > I'm TD fan from Poland. Can I get these files too. > > Bag > > http://www.kki.net.pl/~bag > bag@k... > ICQ:38909542 > > > > -- > Najlepszy polski bezplatny serwer http://www.kki.net.pl > To jest miejsce na reklame Twojej firmy - (012) 429-42-87 > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Live La Vida Loca at Amazon.com! Come browse Earth's Biggest Selection > of Ricky Martin CDs, videos, and books! Save up to 30%. > Check it out: Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: Joel Mullen From: Joel Mullen > > Here you go! Let me know if you have any problems with them. > > Regards, > > Joel > > [Attachments have been removed from this message] > Sorry all- Lets just pretend that I was trying out the new 'no attachments' feature here on one-list. ;-) Regards, Joel From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Jens Peschke' From: 'Michael A. Jean' -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@c...] > Sent: Friday, June 25, 1999 3:34 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] TD from K-Tel > > > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > http://www.ktel.com/cgi-bin/artistcatalog.pl?Session=130639424&Art > ist=TANGER > INE*DREAM > > found a strange Dream Roots cover I hadn't seen before. Thought > some of you > might be interested... > > -joe > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Live La Vida Loca at Amazon.com! Come browse Earth's Biggest Selection > of Ricky Martin CDs, videos, and books! Save up to 30%. > Check it out: Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing > original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank > e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 5:28 am Subject: Re: Review : Mars Polaris by Tangerine Dream In a message dated 25-06-1999 9:48:44 AM EST, craig.cordrey@g... writes: << But why oh why do TD still believe that lots of little chunks stuck together in a continuous sequence represents a whole track? How many 'bits' does this have? About fifteen? >> Isn't this 'tradition?' I could be wrong (and I'm sure that many will be there to say so) but the Froese construct seems to be almost wholly based in this maneuver. It's what makes it work? I can't think of a time when they rattled off a theme, and then did variations on it, and took it apart, played it backwards, and inside out. Everything they have done is probably -- just -- one -- long -- song -- , -- they've -- just -- never -- finished -- it -- . Phil Naunton From: PNaunton@a... Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 2:00 pm Subject: Re: Review : Mars Polaris by Tangerine Dream In a message dated 25-06-1999 12:16:24 PM EST, jwhite@s... writes: << Some of you may recoil in horror in what I'm about to say, but I don't even like Logos that much. >> YAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaa.........! Time for the Spanish Inquisition. Heresy! (c; Phil Naunton From: 'kayleigh' From: Carlo Ruggiero From: Carlo Ruggiero From: 'Jared White' -----Original Message----- > From: PNaunton@a... [mailto:PNaunton@a...] > > In a message dated 25-06-1999 12:16:24 PM EST, jwhite@s... writes: > > << Some of you may recoil in horror in what I'm about to say, but I don't > even like Logos that much. >> > > YAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaa.........! > Time for the Spanish Inquisition. Heresy! (c; Heh, heh, EEEK!.... Well, let me rephrase that a bit. I think I actually like other stuff of TD's from that period (and before) better than Logos. In fact, I'm planning on picking up Force Majeure, and maybe Tangram, sometime in the near future. How's that? :) Regards, Jared P. S. I picked up Quinoa 'Extended', Rockoon, and Valentine Wheels at a local Borders a few days ago. Quinoa is, uh, quite different, but I like it! I haven't listened to much of Rockoon yet, but so far, I don't see what's so horrible about it. Valentine Wheels sounds fun, too -- I haven't listened to much of that yet either. I'll let y'all know what I think of it! ;) _____________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@s... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com iReview: http://www.gaeldesign.com/ireview The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: 'joe shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Michael A. Jean [mailto:mjean@s...] > IF you look closely {Using ZOOM IN) you can see it is a tribute album to > Johnny Thunder not TD LOL! -J From: 'joe shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Jared White [mailto:jwhite@s...] [...] > I'm planning > on picking up Force Majeure, and maybe Tangram, sometime in the > near future. > How's that? :) > From: Joel Mullen From: 'Kevin Jowers' So if you are at all interested in taking a look at the list of items I will >have for sale please e-mail me off-list and I will send you my complete list in >a few days. Joel, Please send me your list when you have it ready. Thanks, Kevin --- Kevin M. Jowers kvjowers@i... Visit my Synth and Midi site at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Garage/1302/ From: 'Kevin Jowers' From: John Gentile > YAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaa.........! Time for the Spanish Inquisition. Heresy! (c; Phil Naunton --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Attention ONElist list owners. http://www.onelist.com We've just added a 'NO ATTACHMENTS' option. See homepage for details. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadrea m-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 3:20 am Subject: Re: Review : Mars Polaris by Tangerine Dream In a message dated 27-06-1999 12:07:09 PM EST, jwhite@s... writes: << In fact, I'm planning on picking up Force Majeure, and maybe Tangram, sometime in the near future. How's that? :) Regards, Jared >> If you don't care for Force Majeure I may have to resort to ----- well, we'll see, won't we? Never a week goes by that I don't listen to this one. OK, 'listen' is not the right word, perhaps 'immersion' is more suitable. Or maybe, 'I clothe myself in Force Majeure every few days, and it has made all the difference.' Best percussion they have ever enjoyed -- among other things. Phil Naunton From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'Jared White' > >BTW, what's the matter with past references? From past postings of yours, it >would seem you regard TD's early(er) work (70's-mid 80's) as superior , so >wouldn't you regard that as a plus? Also, you mention 'Spiral Star Date' >having a Turn of the Tides/Tyranny of Beauty feel to it. Does that make it >bad? Turn of the Tides is great album, and I'm beginning to appreciate >Tyranny of Beauty as well. You are correct - I do like the mid 70's to 80's era the most. And one of the main reasons I like it is that each album is significantly different from the others. Either because they made their own sounds or because they were more clever with the use of preset sounds, I very rarely listen to one album and thnk 'That sounds like something from another album'. TD of recent years seems to find it difficult to produce brand new sounds and material, although it may be that the amount of new material being released may have something to do with that. I like TotT, but not ToB, so referring to that era is a tightrope for me. >Anyway, to get to the point, the very things that you, Craig, dislike about >Mars Polaris are probably the things I'll like about it. When you talk about >'Goblin's Club rambling', my ears perk up. So, based on your review, it >sounds like I'll like Mars Polaris a great deal. Such is the nature of the world. I hope you enjoy Mars Polaris as much as you enjoy Goblin's Club. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: GlynnN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 8:05 am Subject: Midi Files/Sheets Hello all, >I just wanted to thank Joe for the TD MIDI files he sent to me. They are >brilliant! I've tweaked the instrument allocation to make some of them >sound better, but they really are fun. How I laughed at the reggae version >of Dolphin Dance! >Canyon Voices was a particularly nice file, quite at home with my PC sound card. > >Anyway, I'm learning to play Big Sur Romance (Pacific Coast Highway) on my >piano (it was played at my wedding) and the ability to print out the music >is very useful. > >Thanks again > >Anil Ha! That sounds like one of the silly TD arrangements I did with 'Band In A Box'. They seem to have got around quite a bit. My favourite was the country and western 'Streethawk'. On the subject of sheets, I also did quite a lot of these using an early version of a brilliant score editor called Encore. That program was a real piece of genius. The EXE was only about 350K, but it was an incredibly sohpisticated program and did just about every kind of formatting you could wish to put on a score. Kind of puts my multi-megabyte PowerBuilder applications to shame. Alas, after an accident with an Iomega zip disk I lost the electronic copies, so now I only have the printouts. (A couple of hundred hours' work down the pan - can't believe I once had that amount of time to waste!) I can't remember all the pieces, but I think 'Big Sur' was one of them, plus 'Big Sleep', 'Lily on the Beach', 'Song of the Whale', 'Vermillion Sands' and God knows what else. If anyone wants copies let me know - but of course it will have to be by snail mail. Glynn ----------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: This e-mail contains proprietary information some or all of which may be legally privileged. It is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or rely on this e-mail. From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'Jared White' > >P. S. I picked up Quinoa 'Extended', Rockoon, and Valentine Wheels at a >local Borders a few days ago. Quinoa is, uh, quite different, but I like it! >I haven't listened to much of Rockoon yet, but so far, I don't see what's so >horrible about it. Valentine Wheels sounds fun, too -- I haven't listened to >much of that yet either. I'll let y'all know what I think of it! ;) Rush to the doctor immediately. There's obviously something wrong with your ears!!!! 8-)))) Seriously, though, inlight of that comment and your obvious preference for 90s material, I'd love to know what your reaction is to Phaedra and Rubycon. Do you have TD before 1977 (Sorcerer)? -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 11:41 am Subject: Last Chance for TD I bought The Hollywood Years Vol.1 and Transiberia the other day. How disappointing. £25 of disappointment. Tuneless, synth pad, muzak! It's all to smooth and lacks the 'spikey' nature of their earlier material. What are TD doing. I've heard better elevator music! How can a once great band produce music of such varying quality? I think TD have lost their way. They are no longer innovative, as they once were, and they're sitting back on their laurels and churning out less than good music via computer sequencer packages where notes and sounds can be forced together regardless of there overall musical worth. TD need to get into a studio with their collegues sitting behind keyboards and jam, exchange musical ideas until something 'organic' is produced. They need an objective producer to tell them what he thinks and how the ideas could be improved. TD have locked themselves away for too long and have musically 'interbred' giving birth to a mutated, ugly, sterile progeny. Perhaps the fault lies with my tastes (I bet you're typing away to tell me just that and what you think of me!), but I can't listen to this banal stuff any longer, especially at the cost of CDs here in th UK. What may be prudent, in view of its positive reviews, is to obtain the Mars Polaris and give it a really good listen and depending upon its relative merits I will either wash my hands of TD or continue buying their new material. Do you care? Probably not, but try this. Play Transiberia and then Tangram. Put on Oasis and then Richochet. Listen to Hollywood Years and then Poland. Do you see now? Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17028 Re: Last Chance for TD Poulton, Larry Mon 6/28/1999 5 KB 17029 Re: Last Chance for TD Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Mon 6/28/1999 4 KB 17030 Re: Last Chance for TD Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Mon 6/28/1999 3 KB 17031 Re: Last Chance for TD Heiko Heerßen Mon 6/28/1999 3 KB 17032 Re: Last Chance for TD Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Mon 6/28/1999 4 KB 17033 Re: Last Chance for TD Anil Sahal Mon 6/28/1999 3 KB 17034 Re: Last Chance for TD PNaunton@xxx.xxx Mon 6/28/1999 2 KB 17035 Re: Last Chance for TD PNaunton@xxx.xxx Mon 6/28/1999 1 KB 17036 Re: Last Chance for TD Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Mon 6/28/1999 2 KB From: 'Eric Rochon' From: 'Poulton, Larry' I bought The Hollywood Years Vol.1 and Transiberia the other day. How disappointing. £25 of disappointment. Tuneless, synth pad, muzak! It's all to smooth and lacks the 'spikey' nature of their earlier material. What are TD doing. I've heard better elevator music! How can a once great band produce music of such varying quality? I think TD have lost their way. They are no longer innovative, as they once were, and they're sitting back on their laurels and churning out less than good music via computer sequencer packages where notes and sounds can be forced together regardless of there overall musical worth. TD need to get into a studio with their collegues sitting behind keyboards and jam, exchange musical ideas until something 'organic' is produced. They need an objective producer to tell them what he thinks and how the ideas could be improved. TD have locked themselves away for too long and have musically 'interbred' giving birth to a mutated, ugly, sterile progeny. Perhaps the fault lies with my tastes (I bet you're typing away to tell me just that and what you think of me!), but I can't listen to this banal stuff any longer, especially at the cost of CDs here in th UK. What may be prudent, in view of its positive reviews, is to obtain the Mars Polaris and give it a really good listen and depending upon its relative merits I will either wash my hands of TD or continue buying their new material. Do you care? Probably not, but try this. Play Transiberia and then Tangram. Put on Oasis and then Richochet. Listen to Hollywood Years and then Poland. Do you see now? 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A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 12:00 pm Subject: Re: Last Chance for TD I've got the point, but even when TD is 'BAD' it is still better that a lot other emusic, OPEN YOUR MIND try to follow all TD directions. listen to ENCORE then to POLAND then to WHAT A BLAST it is still great fun Bert > ---------- > From: Anil Sahal[SMTP:9148621s@u...] > Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 13:41 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Last Chance for TD > > From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > > I bought The Hollywood Years Vol.1 and Transiberia the other day. How > disappointing. £25 of disappointment. > > Tuneless, synth pad, muzak! It's all to smooth and lacks the 'spikey' > nature > of their earlier material. What are TD doing. I've heard better elevator > music! > How can a once great band produce music of such varying quality? I think > TD have lost their way. They are no longer innovative, as they once were, > and they're sitting back on their laurels and churning out less than good > music via computer sequencer packages where notes and sounds can be forced > together regardless of there overall musical worth. TD need to get into a > studio with their collegues sitting behind keyboards and jam, exchange > musical ideas until something 'organic' is produced. They need an > objective > producer to tell them what he thinks and how the ideas could be improved. > TD > have locked themselves away for too long and have musically 'interbred' > giving birth to a mutated, ugly, sterile progeny. > > > Perhaps the fault lies with my tastes (I bet you're typing away to tell me > just that and what you think of me!), but I can't listen to this banal > stuff > any longer, especially at the cost of CDs here in th UK. > > What may be prudent, in view of its positive reviews, is to obtain the > Mars > Polaris and give it a really good listen and depending upon its relative > merits I will either wash my hands of TD or continue buying their new > material. > > Do you care? Probably not, but try this. Play Transiberia and then > Tangram. Put on Oasis and then Richochet. Listen to Hollywood Years and > then Poland. > > Do you see now? > > Anil > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ----- > Anil Sahal > Motoneurone Research Group > Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems > West Medical Building > University of Glasgow > Glasgow > Scotland > G12 8QQ > 0141-339-8855 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ----- > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Having difficulty getting 'in synch' with list members? > http://www.onelist.com > Try ONElist's Shared Calendar to organize events, meetings and more! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... > >I've got the point, but even when TD is 'BAD' it is still better that a lot >other emusic, >OPEN YOUR MIND >try to follow all TD directions. This is hilarious. I have no idea what you listen to outside of TD (we do all listen to other groups, right?) but surely we should be opening our minds to listen to all e-music, not just to that which TD produces. >listen to ENCORE then to POLAND then to WHAT A BLAST >it is still great fun Still great fun, but is it good? (That's a rhetorical question which only each individual can answer). When I pass new CDs to Grant Middleton to listen to, I always encourage him to not listen with his TD ears. This incarnation of TD is not the same as other incarnations and, accordingly, the music is very different. As such, you are therefore faced with a number of options : 1. 'Open your mind' and appreciate all of TDs music. 2. 'Move your mind' and find other e-music artists you like, who perhaps reflect on TD's past incarnations. 3. 'Flush your mind' and forget all about TD and move on to another group / genre as the basis for your interest. 4. 'Ignore your mind' and run with your heart as you continue to buy TD even though you don't like it, always in the hope hat they'll 'rediscover' their former glories. NP : Free System Projekt : Pointless Reminder - This one is due out soon, and should be on your purchase list! -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Heiko Heerßen' I bought The Hollywood Years Vol.1 and Transiberia the other day. How > disappointing. £25 of disappointment. 'Last chance for TD'...now come on, Anil! Is it their last chance now to produce another brilliant Poland or Logos-like album before you shoot them down? Sometimes I wonder what all you guys were doing now if TD had split 10 years ago !? My suggestion to you would be to listen very carefully to Transsiberia and Hollywood years 1 four or five times in a row and then you can make a statement if these albums are crap or not. > Tuneless, synth pad, muzak! It's all to smooth and lacks the 'spikey' nature > of their earlier material. What are TD doing. I've heard better elevator > music! Ouch! > Perhaps the fault lies with my tastes (I bet you're typing away to tell me > just that and what you think of me!), but I can't listen to this banal stuff > any longer, especially at the cost of CDs here in th UK. Banal stuff....I remember your first postings to this list which were very refreshing to read. So please please invest some more time and tell us your impressions again. From reading your comments one can have the impression that this might be the last one. I have to admit that I wasn't so keen when I first listened to those albums. But I played them very often on my discman and now I think they're pretty good! > What may be prudent, in view of its positive reviews, is to obtain the Mars > Polaris and give it a really good listen and depending upon its relative > merits I will either wash my hands of TD or continue buying their new material. Except for the last 2 (shorter) tracks I think Mars Polaris is a great album (Hi Craig!!). No muzak or elevator music... > Do you care? Probably not, but try this. Play Transiberia and then > Tangram. Put on Oasis and then Richochet. Listen to Hollywood Years and > then Poland. > > Do you see now? Oh man, you really must have had a bad day. Heiko n.p.: Kubusschnitt - The case From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 12:49 pm Subject: Re: Last Chance for TD I must react ;-) > ---------- > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921[SMTP:craig.cordrey@g...] > Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 14:33 > To: tadream > Subject: Re: [tadream] Last Chance for TD > > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > > > First off, apologies to Anil - I had him down as a fan of the new style > and > this is obviously not the case. I must remember not to categorise people > when > reading their comments. > > >From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... > > > >I've got the point, but even when TD is 'BAD' it is still better that a > lot > >other emusic, > >OPEN YOUR MIND > >try to follow all TD directions. > > This is hilarious. I have no idea what you listen to outside of TD (we do > all > listen to other groups, right?) but surely we should be opening our minds > to > listen to all e-music, not just to that which TD produces. > > I was meaning that if you like only one period of TD you must try listening the other periode as well hopefully you will catch the other sides of TD as well Other Groups I listen to are K. SCHULZE, Pete Namlook, Darkside Of The Moog, Jarre, Heldon, Zed, Ashra, Software, Hawkwind, Ozric Tentacles, Gong, System 7, Black Sabbath, Eloy, Peru, M.Oldfield etc. > >listen to ENCORE then to POLAND then to WHAT A BLAST > >it is still great fun > > Still great fun, but is it good? (That's a rhetorical question which only > each > individual can answer). Its GOOODDDD!!!!!! > When I pass new CDs to Grant Middleton to listen to, I always encourage > him to > not listen with his TD ears. This incarnation of TD is not the same as > other > incarnations and, accordingly, the music is very different. > > As such, you are therefore faced with a number of options : > 1. 'Open your mind' and appreciate all of TDs music. > > 2. 'Move your mind' and find other e-music artists you like, who perhaps > reflect on TD's past incarnations. > > 3. 'Flush your mind' and forget all about TD and move on to another group > / > genre as the basis for your interest. > > 4. 'Ignore your mind' and run with your heart as you continue to buy TD > even > though you don't like it, always in the hope hat they'll 'rediscover' > their > former glories. > > NP : Free System Projekt : Pointless Reminder - This one is due out soon, > and > should be on your purchase list! > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... > Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 > Alenia Marconi Systems > Integrated Systems Division > Donibristle, Fife, Scotland > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > How has ONElist changed your life? > Share your story with us at http://www.onelist.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 1:58 pm Subject: Re: Last Chance for TD Craig made some good points in his last post. One of my points is TD do, on rare occasions, produce some great music. It maybe a single track on a CD. But I cannot afford to buy a £14 CD for the sake of one track of music. When they did their longer pieces, in the good ol' days, if there was a segment one didn't like you knew that it would be over in a few minutes and then they'd begin something new and possibly better. But with the shorter pieces if you don't like the first 30 seconds then hard cheese! You're stuck with it for the duration of the track (with a few not notable exceptions eg Firetongues which has a clasiic TD change of tempo). Also the inclusion of dance beats is so un-TD. There was a time when they would have done their best to avoid the inclusion of such cliched ideas. In response to Heiko, I'm flattered that you thought my early postings were refreshing. I've tried to do what you suggested and I always listen to a CD four or five times before passing comment. But it's a struggle to listen to Transiberia or Hollywood Years in a way that it wasn't with Logos or White Eagle. Music is supposed to be fun and frivolous, not a chore. By listening repeatedly to TD we won't find cure for cancer or Motoneurone Disease or the cold fusion enigma. So why make it so difficult to listen too? If TD had slit up after the first ten or twenty years, as you suggested Heiko, then they would be living legends and unsurpassable just like Marilyn Monroe, James Dean, Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Led Zeppelin and The Brotherhood of Man. But TD were more than just wanting immortality. They had something fresh to offer, but they've lost sight of this goal. I'm sure it was a lot to do with Franke's departure. As a team Franke and Froese were a force to be reckened with. Individually, they are weak and perhaps purile. The whole was greater than the sum of the parts. Anyway, I'm not reading anymore of your postings since you're all swaying me and making me change my mind (I'm so weak). Well, perhaps I will. Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 2:47 pm Subject: Re: Last Chance for TD In a message dated 28-06-1999 6:41:22 AM EST, 9148621s@u... writes: << Do you care? Probably not, but try this. Play Transiberia and then Tangram. Put on Oasis and then Richochet. Listen to Hollywood Years and then Poland. >> Actually, I like Transiberia. While certainly not a milestone, I do find it enjoyable. As for Hollywood Years; the liner notes pretty much make the case for the fact that it is not even a minor release. This is all out takes. Pretty much like looking in the Froese's garbage can after the pizza delivery. Perhaps of only loose historical value. It is what many of the list requests have been asking for sporadically over the years. I have HY1 & HY2 now and while they are not mainstream selections, they will get some play every now and then. Kinda ambient TD. Phil Naunton From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 2:51 pm Subject: Re: Last Chance for TD In a message dated 28-06-1999 7:35:43 AM EST, craig.cordrey@g... writes: << (we do all listen to other groups, right?) >> Other groups?? Other groups?? . . . . . . . . . There are other groups? Why didn't someone tell me? I've wasted my whole life on TD. Phil Naunton From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: PNaunton@a... > >In a message dated 28-06-1999 7:35:43 AM EST, craig.cordrey@g... writes: > ><< (we do all > listen to other groups, right?) >> > > Other groups?? Other groups?? . . . . . . . . . There are >other groups? Why didn't someone tell me? > > I've wasted my whole life on TD. Yes, there _are_ other groups. And I don't just mean Paul Haslinger / Chris Franke / Edgar Froese / Johannes Schmoelling / Peter Baumann solo, or even Klaus Schulze. NP : Green Dream - Med Goodall -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > >Craig made some good points in his last post. =20 > >When they did their longer pieces, in the good >ol' days, if there was a segment one didn't like you knew that it would be >over in a few minutes and then they'd begin something new and possibly better. >But with the shorter pieces if you don't like the first 30 seconds then hard >cheese! You're stuck with it for the duration of the track (with a few not >notable exceptions eg Firetongues which has a clasiic TD change of tempo). Funny, but I see this as the other way around. Certainly there was always some part of a long TD track that I liked. The problem with new TD for me is that just when you find a little segment you like, they change it before it's been fully developed. Take the opening minute of the 10 minute long Comet's Figure Head or the ambient intro to another track on MP (can't remember which). >Also the inclusion of dance beats is so un-TD. There was a time when they >would have done their best to avoid the inclusion of such cliched ideas. Here again, I have to disagree slightly. TD has been at least nodding to 'commercialism' for some time - ever since the appearance of electronic drums in Exit there has been some form of beat which could be traced to popular music of the time. With Optical Race, TD made their most song-based album and have never really 'recovered' since then. >But it's a struggle to listen to >Transiberia or Hollywood Years in a way that it wasn't with Logos or White >Eagle. Music is supposed to be fun and frivolous, not a chore. By listening >repeatedly to TD we won't find cure for cancer or Motoneurone Disease or the >cold fusion enigma. So why make it so difficult to listen too? I agree here, though. When listening to new material, I find myself thinking 'Are we not near the end yet?' This is probably due to the fact the songs all sound the same and the albums are much longer now (Mars Polaris being a good case in point). NP : Goblin's Club -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Jared White' > >From: 'Jared White' > > > >P. S. I picked up Quinoa 'Extended', Rockoon, and Valentine Wheels at a > >local Borders a few days ago. Quinoa is, uh, quite different, but I like it! > >I haven't listened to much of Rockoon yet, but so far, I don't see what's so > >horrible about it. Valentine Wheels sounds fun, too -- I haven't listened to > >much of that yet either. I'll let y'all know what I think of it! ;) > > Rush to the doctor immediately. There's obviously something wrong with your > ears!!!! 8-)))) > > Seriously, though, inlight of that comment and your obvious preference for 90s > material, I'd love to know what your reaction is to Phaedra and Rubycon. Do you > have TD before 1977 (Sorcerer)? Well, I regret I have very few early TD albums (like I said in a previous message), but I always thought the clip of Phaedra on Dream Sequence was really interesting. And there's quite a bit of Rubycon on there as well, which I also enjoy. In fact, I generally like all I've heard of their earlier period. I don't believe I heard much before 1977, though. Certainly nothing from the 'Pink Years'. Should I try EM, Atem, Zeit, or Green Desert first? ;) But the fact of the matter is, maybe it's a 'phase' I'm going through in my life right now, or maybe it's just because I'm a young whippersnapper. But I'm personally much more interested in the TD of late than any other period. Listen to this. In the 70's, and even early 80's, electronic music was new and fresh. People didn't know what to make of it. There were a few 'out-there' pioneers who created some amazing experimental music, TD being one of the top figures in this area. But now, it's the 90's. Synths are everywhere. Anyone who hasn't heard any electronic music sometime must be roasting termites in the jungle. TD has such a HUGE amount of competition, what could they possibly do to be radically 'new, original, and innovative', while retaining any kind of large audience whatsoever? They already don't really fit into any established 'genre'. They've kind of migrated to the 'New Age' section, but if TD is New Age, I'm a monkey. They feature quite a bit of rock/pop styles and even clichés, but they're certainly not a rock band. Classical? Actually, I think they would fit better in the classical section then anywhere else. But that's just my crazy opinion. So, tell me -- what could TD do now to be totally new and innovative, without resorting back to old TD styles? (Which wouldn't be a new and innovative thing to do at all!) Do you see now? (Sorry, Anil, I couldn't resist!) If you like TD's old work so much, then go start the 'OLD TD' list and reminisce about the good ol' days together. Meanwhile, there are people in the world who LIKE, even LOVE, the work TD has been doing this decade. No one's forcing you to like it. But, likewise, don't start trying to force other people to dislike TD's newer work. And if TD ever did rest on their laurels and put out mediocre music, they stopped doing that several years ago. TotT is NOT Rockoon. Regards, Jared ________________________________________ Jared White Email: jwhite@s... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com iReview: http://www.gaeldesign.com/ireview The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite/j.white Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: 'Jared White' > How can a once great band produce music of such varying quality? I think > TD have lost their way. They are no longer innovative, as they once were, > and they're sitting back on their laurels and churning out less than good > music via computer sequencer packages where notes and sounds can be forced > together regardless of there overall musical worth. TD need to get into a > studio with their collegues sitting behind keyboards and jam, exchange > musical ideas until something 'organic' is produced. They need an objective > producer to tell them what he thinks and how the ideas could be improved. TD > have locked themselves away for too long and have musically 'interbred' > giving birth to a mutated, ugly, sterile progeny. All I can say is, maybe the majority of the people here on this list have locked themselves away too long and have become musically stagnated, not appreciating anything that isn't Tangram and Poland. TD lost their way? Actually, in some ways, after all these years, I think they've finally found it. Regards, Jared ________________________________________ Jared White Email: jwhite@s... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com iReview: http://www.gaeldesign.com/ireview The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite/j.white Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Anil Sahal [mailto:9148621s@u...] [...] > Anyway, I'm not reading anymore of your postings since you're all > swaying me > and making me change my mind (I'm so weak). Well, perhaps I will. > From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Jared White [mailto:jwhite@s...] [...] > All I can say is, maybe the majority of the people here on this list have > locked themselves away too long and have become musically stagnated, not > appreciating anything that isn't Tangram and Poland. TD lost their way? > Actually, in some ways, after all these years, I think they've > finally found it. From: 'Jared White' From: 'Joe Shoults' > > Yikes! No way! > Please don't assume one post- or even a few- speak for a majority! Yes, that's a trap we all fall into, I guess. Sorry about that. But, uh, if most of the messages on this subject lie in one direction, what am I to think??? :/ OK, I think everybody knows what my opinions are by now. I'll lie low for a while and let others have their say.... :) Regards, Jared From: 'Plumer, Scott' Subject: Tangerine Cheese I'm no longer part of the tadream this or tadream that newslists, and for good reason. Honestly, I don't miss the useless threads or repetitive dribble from brain dead fans still trying to collect all the Time for Heroes variations. I had to face it, TD was a very large reason that I got into EM in the first place but when I recently spun Valentine Wheels it kinda gave me some sad nostalgia and reminded me why I've carved a headstone for the band. Ah, those days when TD actually played their instruments instead of relying on DAT tapes in concert (Jerome recently finally admitted to using DAT & just playing sugar over their original mixes). Anyone who's listened to V Wheels also knows that there is some serious mixing cheese in there. They seem to fade the audience in at the beginning of the popular tunes to remind us they still have fans or something. I know this practice is common, but it's usually done with much better tact & skill. I'd hate to hear Rush's live Analog Kid start up on a cd only to have the audience faded in and faded out real quick. If you're going to have a live cd, make the whole thing live...don't mess with the audience. Sheesh....& don't even get me started on their snoozish Korg voices. What happened to Edgar's apparent prolific musical direction in which no one could follow? I know, they're doing what's already been done...so no wonder no one can follow them...everyone's already ahead! Sorry but after hearing VW again, I just had to gripe. Who'd have guessed I'd enjoy New Order's techno nod from Blade more than the latest TD. DaNO -- Dan J. Schulte-Progressive Electronic Music Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17045 Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese Glenn Reinicke Mon 6/28/1999 4 KB 17050 Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese Jens Peschke Mon 6/28/1999 3 KB 17052 Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese JMJ Fanklubb Norge Mon 6/28/1999 2 KB 17053 Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese Jens Peschke Mon 6/28/1999 2 KB 17054 Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese Glenn Reinicke Mon 6/28/1999 2 KB 17055 Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese Joe Shoults Mon 6/28/1999 2 KB 17056 Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese Glenn Reinicke Mon 6/28/1999 2 KB 17058 Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese Bert.Hulshoff@N... Tue 6/29/1999 2 KB 17059 Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese Bert.Hulshoff@N... Tue 6/29/1999 2 KB From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > >I bought The Hollywood Years Vol.1 and Transiberia the other day. How >disappointing. £25 of disappointment. > >Tuneless, synth pad, muzak! It's all to smooth and lacks the 'spikey' nature >of their earlier material. What are TD doing. I've heard better elevator >music! >How can a once great band produce music of such varying quality? I think >TD have lost their way. They are no longer innovative, as they once were, >and they're sitting back on their laurels and churning out less than good >music via computer sequencer packages where notes and sounds can be forced >together regardless of there overall musical worth. TD need to get into a >studio with their collegues sitting behind keyboards and jam, exchange >musical ideas until something 'organic' is produced. They need an objective >producer to tell them what he thinks and how the ideas could be improved. TD >have locked themselves away for too long and have musically 'interbred' >giving birth to a mutated, ugly, sterile progeny. > > >Perhaps the fault lies with my tastes (I bet you're typing away to tell me >just that and what you think of me!), but I can't listen to this banal stuff >any longer, especially at the cost of CDs here in th UK. > >What may be prudent, in view of its positive reviews, is to obtain the Mars >Polaris and give it a really good listen and depending upon its relative >merits I will either wash my hands of TD or continue buying their new material. From: Glenn Reinicke Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 6:26 pm Subject: Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese Well said. I felt the same way about Jean-Michel Jarre's output early on. I bought Oxygene and Equinox in the seventies and was floored. I played them all the time, still do. Magnetic Fields started the downhill slide and Zoolook put the nails in the coffin. IMO. I didn't bother with anything after that except Oxygene 7-13, based on hearing an MP3. The track I heard, the second one I think, is quite good, but unfortunately buying a CD where one track out of 7 is good is money wasted. You'll find only his first two in my CD collection today. Tangerine Dream today has its moments but I'm afraid we're looking at a CD where one to three tracks tops are good and the rest is filler. The random chordal noodlings especially piss me off. > -----Original Message----- > From: Plumer, Scott [SMTP:Scott.Plumer@t...] > Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 10:52 AM > To: 'TD@o...' > Subject: [tadream] FW: Tangerine Cheese > > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > I'm reposting this with Dano's permission. Flame him, not me, > especially > since I don't share his opinion. > > Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:59:48 -0700 > From: DaNo > Subject: Tangerine Cheese > > I'm no longer part of the tadream this or tadream that newslists, and > for good reason. Honestly, I don't miss the useless threads or > repetitive dribble from brain dead fans still trying to collect all > the > Time for Heroes variations. I had to face it, TD was a very large > reason > that I got into EM in the first place but when I recently spun > Valentine > Wheels it kinda gave me some sad nostalgia and reminded me why I've > carved a headstone for the band. Ah, those days when TD actually > played > their instruments instead of relying on DAT tapes in concert (Jerome > recently finally admitted to using DAT & just playing sugar over their > original mixes). Anyone who's listened to V Wheels also knows that > there > is some serious mixing cheese in there. They seem to fade the audience > in at the beginning of the popular tunes to remind us they still have > fans or something. I know this practice is common, but it's usually > done > with much better tact & skill. I'd hate to hear Rush's live Analog Kid > start up on a cd only to have the audience faded in and faded out real > quick. If you're going to have a live cd, make the whole thing > live...don't mess with the audience. Sheesh....& don't even get me > started on their snoozish Korg voices. What happened to Edgar's > apparent > prolific musical direction in which no one could follow? I know, > they're > doing what's already been done...so no wonder no one can follow > them...everyone's already ahead! Sorry but after hearing VW again, I > just had to gripe. Who'd have guessed I'd enjoy New Order's techno nod > from Blade more than the latest TD. > > DaNO > -- > Dan J. Schulte-Progressive Electronic Music > Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/ > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > Attention ONElist list owners. > http://www.onelist.com > Check out the new 'DEFAULT MODERATED STATUS' option. See homepage. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: 'Fabien Dumay' Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 8:54 pm Subject: Re: Thief Yang, etc. Hi Jonathan, Stratosfear 1995 does not ring a bell, i know of a stratosfear 1994, and it is on the 'Tiranny of Beauty'album. Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal sounds familiar, but i am unable to find the album where it can be found. Regards, Fabien H. Dumay ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Schick To: Sent: Saturday, June 26, 1999 12:16 AM Subject: [tadream] Thief Yang, etc. > From: 'Jonathan Schick' > > > I assume that you mean stuff like the Stratosfear 1995 and Thief Yang > and the Tangram Seal, > *** > where are these mixes to be found? > > Jonathan > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Live La Vida Loca at Amazon.com! Come browse Earth's Biggest Selection > of Ricky Martin CDs, videos, and books! Save up to 30%. > Check it out: Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 8:59 pm Subject: Re: Thief Yang, etc. > Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal sounds familiar, but i am unable to find the > album where it can be found. That's from the Shepherd's (SP?) Bush CD5. 2000 copies were sold in total. Nothing too fancy at all, a typical fan release like Hollywood Years one and two. The original tunes (from Tangram and Thief) are way better. It's a remix of both in the DM1&2 style. Not too bad, actually, but somewhat sub par - and why waste your time with sub par stuff ?? The other track of that single is Eleanor something (I can't remember track names that well you know) from the Beatles interpreted by the Tangs. It probably make Beatles fans puke, dunno. Not bad, but nothing too fancy, methinx. Bottom line: If you're a die hard TD fan - go and buy this one. ('I like all TD, they are gods !') If you can tell TD's fantastic from their weaker stuff, pass on it or at least check it before spending hard earned cash. ('I don't wanna pay 14 quid for an album with one or two good tracks on it'). Take your pick Jens PS: Aha - it's TD bashing time again - it's hard to realize to suffer from the TD diet, Anil, right ? ;-) From: Joel Mullen Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 9:10 pm Subject: Re: Thief Yang, etc. On Monday, June 28, 1999 3:55 PM, Fabien Dumay [SMTP:HAL9000@G...] wrote: > From: 'Fabien Dumay' > > Hi Jonathan, > > Stratosfear 1995 does not ring a bell, i know of a stratosfear 1994, and it > is on the 'Tiranny of Beauty'album. Actually they are both on the Tyranny of Beauty album. On the AMP-CD 027 (AMP records) release I have of ToB it is listed as Stratosfear 1994. And on the TDI002CD release and the Miramar 09006-23046-2 release it is listed as Stratosfear 1995 > > Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal sounds familiar, but i am unable to find the > album where it can be found. > It can be found on the Shepards Bush CD single (LE 2000) and on the Dream Encores release (the recent official one) Hope that helps, Regards, Joel > > Regards, > > Fabien H. Dumay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jonathan Schick > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 1999 12:16 AM > Subject: [tadream] Thief Yang, etc. > > > > From: 'Jonathan Schick' > > > > > > I assume that you mean stuff like the Stratosfear 1995 and Thief Yang > > and the Tangram Seal, > > *** > > where are these mixes to be found? > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > Live La Vida Loca at Amazon.com! Come browse Earth's Biggest Selection > > of Ricky Martin CDs, videos, and books! 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To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 9:08 pm Subject: OT: Cleveland Pre-Ozric show party July 16 Ozric Tentacles is playing Cleveland July 16, and I am inviting our list members to a pre-Ozric party starting at 6pm at 'Heaven' in the Flats before the show. Free admission, pizza and wings, plus happyhour drink prices, and if you keep your wristband on, you can get back in free after the show is over. Contact me off-list to get on the guest list. -Joe From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 9:15 pm Subject: Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese > From: Glenn Reinicke > > Well said. I felt the same way about Jean-Michel Jarre's output early > on. I bought Oxygene and Equinox in the seventies and was floored. I > played them all the time, still do. Magnetic Fields started the downhill > slide and Zoolook put the nails in the coffin. IMO. A bit too drastic maybe, but almost exactly my sentiments. I for oen rate MF quite high, if only Jarre won't put those kid stuff tunes on each of his fantastic albums - he sounds more like an organ home keyboarder than a top synth act, IMO. >I didn't bother with anything after that except Oxygene 7-13, based on hearing an MP3. The > track I heard, the second one I think, is quite good, but unfortunately > buying a CD where one track out of 7 is good is money wasted. You'll > find only his first two in my CD collection today. You should buy Oxygene 7-13. It's as good as your other two release. Excellent sound, as well. > Tangerine Dream today has its moments but I'm afraid we're looking at a > CD where one to three tracks tops are good and the rest is filler. The > random chordal noodlings especially piss me off. I was thinking a bit about what I miss on the more recent releases but came to the conclusion that my listening habits (i.e. the process of listening to music) has dramatically changed since 79/80 when I first sucked the best of EM. In my early EM days only the emotional/creative half of my brain was reacting to it, now the analytic brain half is dominant. I'm analysing structures, sound processes and counting bars often foreseeing TD's recent stuff - there's no more surprise left and I somewhat lost my innocence the more I know about the technology and the processes/structures involved in EM - an experience I share with other EM musicians, sadly. Best Regards Jens From: Carlo Ruggiero Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 9:25 pm Subject: Re: Thief Yang, etc. Fabien > Stratosfear 1995 does not ring a bell, i know of a stratosfear 1994, and it > is on the 'Tiranny of Beauty'album. There seems to be a difference between the European release and the US release on Tyranny of Beauty. The Euro version says Stratosfear 1994, while the US version says 1995. We had a small debate over this on the mIRC chat awhile back (Right Pal ;-)?) > > Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal sounds familiar, but i am unable to find the > album where it can be found. Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal is on the Shepherd's Bush CD single (officially). It also appears on several live concert tapes, fan cd-r's and the Traumzeit bootleg. Hope this helps. Carlo From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' From: Glenn Reinicke > >Well said. I felt the same way about Jean-Michel Jarre's output early >on. I bought Oxygene and Equinox in the seventies and was floored. I >played them all the time, still do. Magnetic Fields started the downhill >slide and Zoolook put the nails in the coffin. IMO. I didn't bother with >anything after that except Oxygene 7-13, Glenn, The thing is IMO, that Jarre deliberately tries to change his style and experiment, but for TD, I feel that they simply lost any creative drive and they simply became boring. See the difference? Over night Jarre decided to change style, but TD slowly faded into the dark gutters of boring elevator muzak, because they lost it and they didnt see it coming. Jarre could easily have stuck to his Oxygene style to please the fans but that is not his intention. TD on the other hand (and this is of course only me saying this), would not be able to turn back to the old days if they tried. I am not trying to hide the fact that I dont like their 1985 to present day output, so please forgive that I rant on about it. Jarre forever! Glenn Jean-Michel Jarre Fanclub Norway JMJ Tribute Album @ www.jmjfkn.com JarreArt @ www.itsahit.com/jarreart From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 9:37 pm Subject: Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese Don't overate my somewhat harsh and cynical comments, would you ? > From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' > > The thing is IMO, that Jarre deliberately tries to change his style and experiment Sorry my ignorance, but apart from 'Waiting for the blob' (or what was its name ? ;-)) Jarre became a slut of the poppy world, IMO. Not much experimentations at all, methinx. >, but for TD, I feel that they simply lost any creative drive and they simply became boring. See the >difference? On the other hand (and this is of course only me saying this ;-)) TD's fantastic stuff outnumbers Jarre's fantastic stuff by far. (Gabe, see I'm defending Ed & company here ;-)) > I am not trying to hide the fact that I dont like their 1985 to present day output, so please forgive >that I rant on about it. Well, I prefer TD's 73-85 stuff either, but that's about all we agree about then, eh ? > Jarre forever! > Glenn Long live the Jean-Michel Jarre Fanclub Norway ! Honest. > JMJ Tribute Album @ www.jmjfkn.com Say, is that the one with my mates Kent and Tony (a/k/a Kenton Files) ? Best Regards Jens From: Glenn Reinicke Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 9:56 pm Subject: Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese This is a good point. We didn't have much in the 70's to listen to and back then, for the most part, to get a record contract the music had be of at least reasonable quality. Now, with so much music being made, the bar is raised quite high, even though it is interesting to see how some of the earlier work still holds up today. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jens Peschke [SMTP:jpeschke@h...] > Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 2:16 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] FW: Tangerine Cheese > > From: 'Jens Peschke' > > I was thinking a bit about what I miss on the more recent releases but > came > to the conclusion that my listening habits (i.e. the process of > listening to > music) has dramatically changed since 79/80 when I first sucked the > best of EM. > From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 9:57 pm Subject: Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese Well, I'm sorry to see that Dan is gone; he will be missed. I personally don't agree with his viewpoints, and think they are too negative but I think Scott posted this here as an opportunity to talk about what happens when a member becomes jaded with the subject, then the list itself. There is a similar progression that occurs in the natural 'life cycle' of a mailing list, and the best article I've ever seen on it is here: http://www.catalog.com/vivian/life-cycle.html If you are a member that is interested in the ongoing vitality of the list and enjoy the sense of community that develops here, you will find it interesting. I think it is a good thing if list members recognize when a post or a thread is negative, and find a way to make something positive out of it. -Joe P.S. So, um... who gets DanO's ThinkPad? > -----Original Message----- > From: Plumer, Scott [mailto:Scott.Plumer@t...] > From: DaNo > Subject: Tangerine Cheese From: Glenn Reinicke Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 10:25 pm Subject: Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese I do respect the fact that Jarre charted new territory and at least tried something different. But he infused his 80's albums with so much nonsense that I just couldn't listen to it anymore, actually, it was annoying. On Oxygene 7-13, I just feel there was a total lack of effort. I admit it is better than a lot of the TD soundtrack stuff that's been churned out lately, but I think studio releases from artists should reach farther. I would like to see an Equinoxe sequel with a bit more drive on it, that would be nice. I don't see a radical shift in TD unless the line-up is changed, the guitars are dropped, the drum machines are shelved, and an entirely new process of making music is invented by them. I'm sure I'll enjoy the usual one to three good tracks that Mars Polaris will have and am interested to hear how much it diverges from Goblin's Club and Oasis. But hoping for the radical shifts from the Virgin material is hopeless. The Froese - Franke - Schmoelling combination was a winner just like the Bauman years. It's the musical chemistry that made that happen along with the technology and decade they lived in. Everything combined to make them original. > -----Original Message----- > From: JMJ Fanklubb Norge [SMTP:glenn.folkvord.hjemme@k...] > Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 1:38 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] FW: Tangerine Cheese > > The thing is IMO, that Jarre deliberately tries to change his style > and experiment, but for TD, I feel that they simply lost any creative > drive and they simply became boring. See the difference? From: 'Ray' Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 11:53 pm Subject: Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer and Ages on CD Question: I own a copy of Macula Transfer on CD, it was released about ten months ago - and then was withdrawn without notice probably due to legal reasons of copyright ownership. Any idea how much this is worth, not that I am parting with my copy. Virgin were supposedly releasing Macula Transfer plus the track that had been dropped from the EF solo 'Ages' CD. I have the Ages CD (mid price release) also, although Virgin deny all knowlegde of this and say it is not availble, I have seen copies at Ultima Thule for £10.-. R Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17129 Re: Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer and Ages on CD :-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dust Wed 7/7/1999 2 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Tue Jun 29, 1999 7:11 am Subject: Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese It is the same with me since i am playing with modplugtracker and some virtual synthesizers my listening is more analysing and trying to make the same kind of songs. The latest albums of TD have more layers etc then the early ones they are more complex;-) but thats my feeling. Greetings Bert > ---------- > From: Jens Peschke[SMTP:jpeschke@h...] > Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 23:15 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] FW: Tangerine Cheese > > > > I was thinking a bit about what I miss on the more recent releases but > came > to the conclusion that my listening habits (i.e. the process of listening > to > music) > has dramatically changed since 79/80 when I first sucked the best of EM. > > In my early EM days only the emotional/creative half of my brain was > reacting > to it, now the analytic brain half is dominant. I'm analysing structures, > sound processes and counting bars often foreseeing TD's recent stuff - > there's no more surprise left and I somewhat lost my innocence > the more I know about the technology and the processes/structures involved > in EM - > an experience I share with other EM musicians, sadly. > > Best Regards > > Jens > From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Tue Jun 29, 1999 6:44 am Subject: Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese YES > ---------- > From: Glenn Reinicke[SMTP:glennr@f...] > Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 20:26 > To: 'tadream@o...' > Subject: Re: [tadream] FW: Tangerine Cheese > > From: Glenn Reinicke > > Well said. I felt the same way about Jean-Michel Jarre's output early > on. I bought Oxygene and Equinox in the seventies and was floored. I > played them all the time, still do. Magnetic Fields started the downhill > slide and Zoolook put the nails in the coffin. IMO. I didn't bother with > anything after that except Oxygene 7-13, based on hearing an MP3. The > track I heard, the second one I think, is quite good, but unfortunately > buying a CD where one track out of 7 is good is money wasted. You'll > find only his first two in my CD collection today. > > From: 'De Kruis, Hans H SNV-MCF/9' Date: Tue Jun 29, 1999 8:28 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 124 > Topics in today's digest: > > 1. Last Chance for TD > From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > 2. Re: TD for sale ( a couple hundred items ) > From: 'Eric Rochon' > 3. Re: Last Chance for TD > From: 'Poulton, Larry' > 4. Re: Last Chance for TD > From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... > 5. Re: Last Chance for TD > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > 6. Re: Last Chance for TD > From: 'Heiko Heerßen' > 7. Re: Last Chance for TD > From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... > 8. Re: Last Chance for TD > From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> > 9. Re: Last Chance for TD > From: PNaunton@a... > 10. Re: Last Chance for TD > From: PNaunton@a... > 11. Re: Last Chance for TD > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > 12. Re: Last Chance for TD > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 > 13. Re: Review : Mars Polaris by Tangerine Dream > From: 'Jared White' > 14. Re: Last Chance for TD > From: 'Jared White' > 15. Re: Last Chance for TD > From: 'Joe Shoults' > 16. Re: Last Chance for TD > From: 'Joe Shoults' > 17. Re: Last Chance for TD > From: 'Jared White' > 18. FW: Tangerine Cheese > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > 19. Re: Last Chance for TD > From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' > 20. Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese > From: Glenn Reinicke > 21. Re: Thief Yang, etc. > From: 'Fabien Dumay' > 22. Re: Thief Yang, etc. > From: 'Jens Peschke' > 23. Re: Thief Yang, etc. > From: Joel Mullen > 24. OT: Cleveland Pre-Ozric show party July 16 > From: 'Joe Shoults' > 25. Re: FW: Tangerine Cheese > From: 'Jens Peschke' > > Hello people, What now last chance, did you all hear Mars Polaris, this album is a very, very good one. What a Blast wasn't bad either. I admit, there were some minor items in the last series of cd's. But he, they have a huge production. They are not the Stones, 1 album in 5 years, or Don Henley, 1 album in 10 years(?). So, you have the chance that there is an album with somewhat less quality. And besides that, you don't have to buy them all. Just listen in the store before you want to buy, if you don't do that, it is your own choice and your own risk. And name me one group or person who has a row of albums with all the same high quality. By the way, why should you compare Transiberia with Tangram, or Oasis with Ricochet, there are 10 or 20 years between it, with lots of new technology and sounds. It's just not fair. You don't compare Tutu from Miles Davis with Kind of Blue either. But do me a favour, call TD what you want, but don't call it muzak, it is not music for the warehouses. And you cannot say from me that i only listen to TD, other favourites are Miles Davis, Kitaro, Eagles, Beatles, Schulze, Metallica, Genesis, Yes etc. etc. etc. So, I am not blind for other music. This is the same discussion as on the other list a few months ago. Some like the old ones and some the new ones and some both. Be open for both sides and collect what you want. Having said that all, back to work. greetings, Hans Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17083 Re: Digest Number 124 PNaunton@xxx.xxx Wed 6/30/1999 1 KB From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> Date: Tue Jun 29, 1999 9:59 am Subject: Cat Amongst The Pigeons I'm glad to see that my posting has caused a little controversey on the list. Always a healthy thing I believe. So many lists are about blind hero worship which I'm sure TD wouldn't want to promote. I received a personal email from a member of the list. He sent it to me since he was worried about any reprimanding emails he may receive from the 'TD Office' as he put it, as he has done in the past (freedom of speech?). He generally agreed with my sentiments but made a really good point when he said: >Those who accuse the doubters of failing to respect TD's desire to change >have missed a point: with only a few exceptions, THEY AREN'T CHANGING. >Most every album of the 90s (and there have been MANY of them) brings the >same harpsichordy sounds, the same breathy choral sounds, the same blah >drums, the same snoozy melodies. It's only when they've gone out on a >limb and *actually tried something different* that I've been interested >(Dream Mixes, parts of Oasis). It's not a question of being innovative, >necessarily. I don't expect them to recreate the wheel. It's just that >the kind of music I tend to like sounds inspired; music made by musicians >having fun. He's right. TD have been static for a decade! We, as TD fans, are falling for our own propaganda when we say TD is an evolving band, unlike the mainstream. There's much more innovation in the pop charts than there is in th TD camp. We may not like 'drum and bass' or hard core industrial music or whatever, but it's dynamic when compared to TDs output! There are tracks that show a bit of the 'Let there be More Light' attitude that TD once had, but an early 90's TD CD and a late 90's TD CD are almost the same and could be played back to back without anyone noticing. I listened to Transiberia again this am whilst getting ready for work. There was a track, 'The Golden Horn', which sounds exactly like one of their early 90's tracks (around the Melrose era but I'm not sure which). Proof by example that they're rehashing older 90's material. I stand by my previous posting. Mars Polaris is TDs last chance in my book. If it's all ten year old synth string pads and dance music drum beats, and non-existant melodies then I'll wash my hands of TD, and devote my time, and money, to artists who are genuinely shifting the musical paradigm. Please let me be wrong! Regards Anil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17071 Re: Cat Amongst The Pigeons Glenn Reinicke Tue 6/29/1999 2 KB 17085 Re: Cat Amongst The Pigeons PNaunton@xxx.xxx Wed 6/30/1999 2 KB 17163 Re: Cat Amongst The Pigeons Ken Mitchell Fri 7/9/1999 3 KB 17165 Re: Cat Amongst The Pigeons Gabe Yedid Fri 7/9/1999 3 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Jun 29, 1999 10:34 am Subject: Re: Last Chance for Artists j.gordon here... hey, y'all... I see that in my off-line absence (due to moving houses) I've missed out on a lot of interesting by-play... I apologize in advance for those who were glad to see this thread start to peter off, as I am resuscitating it so that it might sustain yet ANOTHER perspective... ;) (that means if y'all don't dig ANOTHER perspective, now's a good time for the next email... ;) This isn't directed towards Anil, though his TD despondency has prompted one of the major points of this thread, and many others: that being the evolution (or devolution, depending on perspective) of TD (and, de facto, artists)... We are all fans of an artist(s), in this particular instance, TD... as a whole we debate, collude, admire, conspire, perspire and (sometimes) retire over this one specific artist group... we encourage them to produce in many venues (live, studio, even in 'bootleg' format...) because, in the past, we have liked what they have produced... it is 'simple' emotional logic: I liked it yesterday, therefore, I'll like it tomorrow... but as we all know, emotional logic and intellectual logic don't jive... we 'know' that because the sun came up yesterday (and the day before and the millions of days before) it will come up tomorrow... and it does... But just because we 'liked' something yesterday, this in no way governs how we will feel about it tomorrow... I expect that we have all had these experiences of eating something as a child and hating it, but now finding that you really like it... or with that special someone who on the first date was the best thing to ever come your way and on the seventh date, the worst thing you could imagine... what does this have to do with TD? Well... The music we hear from TD is art... plain and simple... it is the art produced by artists... those artists follow the path their own muses lead them... Van Gogh had many phases (as did all the great artists, and not so great ones)... some were 'better' than others... but in the end Van Gogh produced what he believed he needed to produce at that time... and Edgar (and Jerome) will do the same... It is obvious that the music TD produces today is quite different from what they produced in the 80s... how can it not be?... different technology, different band members... the artists have gotten older, seen different things, matured in their viewpoints... all of these things are reflected in their art... the artist is not the art... through their music, we will never 'know' Edgar, the man, the father, the guy who says fuck just like the rest of the world when he hits his thumb with a hammer... we can only know his art, a glimpse of the beauty in the world as he sees it, reflected through himself and his medium... I think it should be paramount as a fan of any artist, musical or otherwise, to remember the relationship between artist and fan... the art... Anil brought out a very good point (which Edgar himself has said on different occasions): if you don't like, don't buy it... but, IMHumbleO, leave it at that... Asking for an artist to produce - clamoring actually - and then booing them or critizing them IN LIGHT OF PAST ACHEIVEMENTS is a bit spoiled... (no offense intended here...) because what that says is: please produce what I (as the consumer) would like or think is valuable, not what you (as the artist) want to produce... It says, my perspective of what is 'good art' is better than yours, Mr. Artist, and when I don't like it, you're not doing something right... It could be the most educated and well spoken critizism, but it still is an opinion... Who would have the wherewithal be able to ask Edgar or Jerome 'Do you REALLY like Transsiberia? Come on! Not really. You couldn't. It's so... don't you think?' The key is, if you know what's right, what's better, go ahead and produce it yourself... but don't ask another artist to produce what YOU (joe and jane fan) think they should be producing... It's their art... and there will be those who like it and those who don't... Jared's wholehearted support of the last decade is a prime example... If you (joe and jane fan) don't like it, don't... nobody will mind... but be careful of punitive comments... especially those based on the past... we can't expect anything from the past to become a part of the present as we can't expect the future to appear before it's happened... each piece of art (in this case, each album) can be judged for it's intrinsic merits (meaning not compared with past acheivements) and then set on the do-I-like-it meter as we will... but the two are not the same, as often they seem... Anil needs to be supported in his decision to stop listening to TD based on his own tastes and desires in music, just as he needs to be encouraged to hear the music with 'different ears'... I think as consciencous fans, we own it to ourselves and to the artists, to continually challenge our own systems of belief, in what we think is right and wrong, good and bad... But I think that it's important to remember, as I've stated before, that the changes TD has gone through are ALWAYS for the best (though we may not collectively like the results) because it means they are still growing, still changing still producing... it give us the hints and whispers of new, different, more... if they conintued to do the same thing as they had on any one album through their career... guarenteed they would have become the same cookie-cutter automatons that are rebelled again time and time again... but they aren't... their music continues to grow and change... it is one of the few things that can be asked of an artist... to never stop and never stop growing... Whew! Hey! What's this thing I'm standing on? A soap-box? What's THAT doing here... ;) anyway, it's just another perpective to see into the shades of gray found in-between the black and white that is TD... j.gordon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17064 Re: Last Chance for Artists Poulton, Larry Tue 6/29/1999 3 KB 17074 Re: Last Chance for Artists Sean Montgomery Tue 6/29/1999 2 KB From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> Date: Tue Jun 29, 1999 10:40 am Subject: In Reply to Jared Should I try EM, Atem, Zeit, or Green Desert >first? ;) NO, NO, NO. It's dreadful, and tuneless! > > TD has such a HUGE amount of competition, Competiton is always healthy, and TD haven't been in the running for a decade. >So, tell me -- what could TD do now to be totally new and innovative, >without resorting back to old TD styles? (Which wouldn't be a new and >innovative thing to do at all!) > >Do you see now? (Sorry, Anil, I couldn't resist!) If I knew what was new and innovative in music, I'd be a successful musician and not a Scientist. It's not my field, it's their field. They should be pushing back the limits of the new, whilst I try and find a cure for nasty diseases of the nervous system! TD nod there heads to other genre like dance music and techno, but do it so badly compared to some kid in a nightclub with a few keyboards and a sampler and no musical training! I feel embarrassed by their attempts to appeal to the young. It must be a similar feeling to having one's father shack up with a 20 year old blonde girl, buy a motorbike and leather jacket! You've missed the point, Jared. TD have made huge leaps in musical evolution in the past from the 70's to the 80's and the 90's was a new change of direction. But they are static since then, like the dinosaurs were static. Maybe TD are awaiting the big asteroid to come and finish them off! You clearly have only a snap shot of TD's musical output and you like what you hear in their 90's material. Fair enough, that's your choice. I don't like their output for the last 5-6 years and yearn for some drastic change. Even if I didn't like the change they made as much as the 80's material, it'd be nice to see TD showing some of the integrity they displayed when they played the smokey clubs of Berlin and the tiny venues here in the UK. >If you like TD's old work so much, then go start the 'OLD TD' list and >reminisce about the good ol' days together. Meanwhile, there are people in >the world who LIKE, even LOVE, the work TD has been doing this decade. No >one's forcing you to like it. But, likewise, don't start trying to force >other people to dislike TD's newer work. I was never trying to force my opinions on others. A list is about mature, adult discussion and exchange and not about childish hero worship. If anyone is swayed by my writing on this list and starts disliking TD's newer material as a consequence, then they should maybe look a little deeper into their own personalities and character. Listen to many peoples thoughts before coming to a balanced conclusion. I'm sure this does not apply to anyone on this list. We're all stable, well balanced adults who can debate our points effectively. In conclusion, opinions should not be carved in stone and unchanging. We should assimilate others views and modify our own. I was reasonably happy with 90's TD but started to modify my opinions after SEVERAL people expressed their views and helped me to come to my own conclusons. If TD produce a good CD I'll be the first to sing their praises. Anil >nications. >http://www.onelist.com >Join a new list today! > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Anil Sahal Motoneurone Research Group Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems West Medical Building University of Glasgow Glasgow Scotland G12 8QQ 0141-339-8855 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: 'Poulton, Larry' From: 'j.gordon' >Asking for an artist to produce - clamoring actually - and then booing them or >critizing them IN LIGHT OF PAST ACHEIVEMENTS is a bit spoiled... (no offense >intended here...) because what that says is: please produce what I (as the >consumer) would like or think is valuable, not what you (as the artist) want to >produce... It says, my perspective of what is 'good art' is better than yours, >Mr. Artist, and when I don't like it, you're not doing something right... It >could be the most educated and well spoken critizism, but it still is an >opinion... I am a digital artist and one thing that really bugs me is producing work to appease rather than please people. The work I produce has to please me first - or else it doesnt see the light of day. The fact that it may please others as well is a bonus. What they dont like, I dont care about - it pleased me!! This may be a rather selfish attitude - but maybe all artists are like this really - we want admiration and adulation and shy away from criticism , however constructive it may be. So why would we make public anything other that work which they wholeheartedly believed in? This is why, although I chastise TD for declining of late (IMO), I suppport them through this phase and understand their dedication and belief that they are producing worthwhile material. Its rather like supporting a football team (which I dont - even though I'm English!)- you dont stop supporting them because they haven't won the last 10 matches or they have been relugated this season - you stick by them. LONG LIVE TD!! and let diversity abound!! Larry -----Original Message----- From: j.gordon [mailto:ssaalyersjj@y...] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 11:34 AM To: tadream@o... Subject: Re: [tadream] Last Chance for Artists _____________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: rzanelli@xxxx.xx.xx Date: Tue Jun 29, 1999 12:01 pm Subject: Off topic - Jarre's Zoolook > >Well said. I felt the same way about Jean-Michel Jarre's output early >on. I bought Oxygene and Equinox in the seventies and was floored. I >played them all the time, still do. Magnetic Fields started the downhill >slide and Zoolook put the nails in the coffin. IMO. I didn't bother with >anything after that except Oxygene 7-13, based on hearing an MP3. The >track I heard, the second one I think, is quite good, but unfortunately >buying a CD where one track out of 7 is good is money wasted. You'll >find only his first two in my CD collection today. > I don't want to argue with anyone now, but although you may criticise Jarre, you should not put Zoolook into the same pot as the rest of his stuff. As far as I'm aware this is radically different from his usual style: I refer to Zoolook as the Jarre-with-Laurie-Anderson album. And Ms Anderson is more of an experimenter/avangardist (definitely nothing to do with space EM) and you can hear that all over the album. My theory is that Zoolook is to Jarre what Electronic Meditation or Zeit are for TD: what do these albums have in common? They're more adventurous? 'Different'? Difficult? Non-commercial? One thing is certain: not many people like them... Sorry for the ramblings, back to lurk mode... ;-) Riccardo --------------------------------------------------------- Hi-Q Systems Ltd The Barn, Micheldever Station, Winchester, Hants SO21 3AR Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17072 Re: Off topic - Jarre's Zoolook Glenn Reinicke Tue 6/29/1999 1 KB From: Steve Jenkins Do you care? Probably not, but try this. Play Transiberia and then >Tangram. Put on Oasis and then Richochet. Listen to Hollywood Years >and then Poland. with threads like this, you can see why the *other* list got so unpopular with Edgar ;-) This is all deja vu. Perhaps its time you moved to the dinosaur list with some of us sauropods. Steve np: Jacula - Tardo pede in magiam versus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17075 Re: Last Chance For TD Steven Le Vine Tue 6/29/1999 3 KB 17077 Re: Last Chance For TD Richard Ford Tue 6/29/1999 1 KB 17078 Re: Last Chance For TD Joe Shoults Tue 6/29/1999 1 KB From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: Steve Jenkins > > Ahem - excuse me > with threads like this, you can see why the *other* list got so > unpopular with Edgar ;-) This is all deja vu. I guess you're right, Steve. Everyone has a different taste regarding his 'golden TD era'. Some people praise 220 Volt live as a great album while others find Alpha Centauri or Atem unlistenable crap. How many albums has TD produced since 1970? 90, 100+ ? So it's only normal that not every album is a stroke of genius. Life has its ups and downs and the same applies to TDs music. And if you don't like it you won't have to buy it (well, except when you're a die hard fan like me who even buys Hollywood Years twice to have a different cover ;-) I wasn't always happy with the music TD has put out in 30 years time. And by the time Rockoon came out I would have rambled about TD the same way Anil is doing now. But for me things turned out for the better and I'm quite happy with the music now (like Mars Polaris, for example!) > Perhaps its time you moved to the dinosaur list with some of us > sauropods. tadream@s...????? Please count me in ;-) Heiko n.p.: Dallas Brooks Hall - 13.03.1975 From: 'Jonathan Schick' From: 'Plumer, Scott' So, tell me -- what could TD do now to be totally new and innovative, >without resorting back to old TD styles? (Which wouldn't be a new and >innovative thing to do at all!) Well, like it or not, the past is, well, in the past, and will never be back again. If TD still made albums like Phaedra or Ricochet, wouldn't you say 'They're still playing the same s**t they played 25 years ago!'? I know I would. I'm no TD apologist. When TD puts out something that stinks, I say so. What gets me is that they'll put out some mediocre stuff, then put out something brilliant like Ambient Monkeys, Dream Mixes or Oasis. OK, maybe Oasis isn't quite brilliant, but it's not embarassing, like some of their stuff. Why did this happen? Is Ed burned out? Do they want the commercial appeal that's eluded them? (Not likely, because the '70s is when they sold the best) Is Jerome to blame? So what direction should TD take? I liked the stuff of Haslinger's World Without Rules, personally. I'd like to see TD incorporate more world rhythms into their music, but they should make the music that moves THEM, and not worry whether the fans or anyone else likes it. I suspect their reaction would be that they do make music that moves them, and if that's true, great! We shouldn't buy it if we don't like it. Scott NP: ekoostik hookah, 12/31/98 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17073 Re: The end of the (TD) world as we know it... Gabe Yedid Tue 6/29/1999 3 KB 17089 Re: The end of the (TD) world as we know it... Plumer, Scott Wed 6/30/1999 3 KB 17091 Re: The end of the (TD) world as we know it... j.gordon Wed 6/30/1999 3 KB 17092 Re: The end of the (TD) world as we know it... PNaunton@xxx.xxx Wed 6/30/1999 2 KB 17094 Re: The end of the (TD) world as we know it... Gabe Yedid Wed 6/30/1999 3 KB From: Olle.Rundgren@xxx.xx Date: Tue Jun 29, 1999 2:16 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 124 LAST CHANCE FOR TD Interesting post from Anil which surely enough triggered reactions. The funny thing is that when somebody voices sensible views on a list like this it always leads to a discussion of right or wrong. Kind of like a political conversation. As a long time fan of TD (Been enjoying them since mid 70's) I recall that progression has been a key word many times in the development of this band. Remember an interview with Mr Froese in NME, or maybe it was Sounds, back in the Encore days 76-77. He said something like: We have material today that we could release but will not as our fans are not ready for it yet (roughly like that, taken from my mind). (At this time music press journalists were very new wave biased and found Genesis, TD etc. conservative and boring). Then Peter Baumann left and Cyclone came which was interesting but, apart from the added vocals and drums, not the giant leap forward one would expect after reading the above related statement of Froese. Neither was Force Majeure. Tangram though was the winner. Breaking new ground at the same time as bearing all the typical TD trademarks. Sequencer themes and marvellous melody lines. Somebody ones labelled TD:s music as celestial music and that summed it up perfectly. From then on the progression has been going on and I've continued to buy the albums as I know what they are capable of. However, the old feeling of excitment when bringing home a new TD album for the first play has been replaced with curiosity. The celestial parts I loved so much have given way to a focus on rhytm and hummable melodies which I would expect from YMO and their likes but never from TD. There are spots of magic here and there but otherwise I agree with Anil even if I wouldn't use the same words. Furthermore I am puzelled by the fact that they've issued so many collections during the last decade and live-albums/mixe-albums with new versions of songs you have already heard on previous studio recordings. This never happened in the old days. Put in other words they have a commercial approach to the music that they didn't have before. Goblins Club in my mind is the best album in a long time and Oasis also had some memorable moments so I will certainly buy the next one as well but I remain faithful to TD mainly thanks to wonders of the past, especially from the Froese-Francke-Baumann setting. But for progression in terms of celestial electronic music they have lost the lead to the likes of Robert Scroeder and Ashra Let´s hear some complaints now. Olle >>>>> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:41:10 +0100 (BST) >>>>> From: Anil Sahal <9148621s@u...> >>>>>Subject: Last Chance for TD >>>>I bought The Hollywood Years Vol.1 and Transiberia the other day. How >>>>disappointing. £25 of disappointment. >Tuneless, synth pad, muzak! It's all to smooth and lacks the 'spikey' nature From: Glenn Reinicke -----Original Message----- > From: Anil Sahal [SMTP:9148621s@u...] > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 3:00 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Cat Amongst The Pigeons > > > I stand by my previous posting. Mars Polaris is TDs last chance in my > book. > If it's all ten year old synth string pads and dance music drum beats, > and > non-existant melodies then I'll wash my hands of TD, and devote my > time, and > money, to artists who are genuinely shifting the musical paradigm. > > Anil > From: Glenn Reinicke -----Original Message----- > From: rzanelli@h... [SMTP:rzanelli@h...] > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 5:01 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Off topic - Jarre's Zoolook > > My theory is that Zoolook is to Jarre what Electronic Meditation or > Zeit > are for TD: From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >So, tell me -- what could TD do now to be totally new and innovative, > >without resorting back to old TD styles? (Which wouldn't be a new and > >innovative thing to do at all!) > > Well, like it or not, the past is, well, in the past, and will never be back > again. Unless you buttress your collection with large amounts of Redshift, Can Attila, Rob Essers, and the like. Then you can reliveit all you want ;) > If TD still made albums like Phaedra or Ricochet, wouldn't you say > 'They're still playing the same s**t they played 25 years ago!'? I know I > would. This doesn't have to do with making the same music as from the glory days, it's about moving on. Which, arguably, TD have NOT been doing for the last seven or so years (at least). > I'm no TD apologist. When TD puts out something that stinks, I say so. What > gets me is that they'll put out some mediocre stuff, then put out something > brilliant like Ambient Monkeys, Dream Mixes or Oasis. OK, maybe Oasis isn't > quite brilliant, but it's not embarassing, like some of their stuff. > Why did this happen? Is Ed burned out? Do they want the commercial appeal > that's eluded them? (Not likely, because the '70s is when they sold the > best) Is Jerome to blame? > > So what direction should TD take? I liked the stuff of Haslinger's World > Without Rules, personally. I'd like to see TD incorporate more world rhythms > into their music, but they should make the music that moves THEM, and not They have been doing this to a limited extent, but they don't seem to be as adept with it as Haslinger. I wouldn't like to see them take this route though, if only because that buys into the post-modernist credo that the only new things to do are to re-hash and re-interpret what's already been done and what already exists. But then, I have been accused in the past of having sensibilities that are too 19th Century. What other alternatives are there? One, at least, is to go the Conrad Schnitzler route and make stuff that's REALLY experimental and difficult to associate to on an emotional level--which isn't really TD, since a central tenet of their music seems to be BEING ABLE to associateto it in that way. > worry whether the fans or anyone else likes it. I suspect their reaction > would be that they do make music that moves them, and if that's true, great! > We shouldn't buy it if we don't like it. The problem, Scott, is that if they make music that moves only them, who else will want to buy it? What other way do they have of making a living? > Scott Gabe From: Sean Montgomery I am a digital artist and one thing that really bugs me is producing work to > appease rather than please people. The work I produce has to please me first > - or else it doesnt see the light of day. The fact that it may please others > as well is a bonus. What they dont like, I dont care about - it pleased me!! I totally understand your feeling here...I'm involved in a creative field too, and we tend to do our best work when we're allowed to indulge our creative instincts instead of worrying about whether the product is on screen long enough, or if some parents might find the humour questionable. Still, I hold other artists to some basic standards: do they speak the truth? Are they honest and passionate in their work? And are they fuelled by a spirit of adventure and discovery? These are all subjective criteria of course, but I think I can usually tell when a musician was having a good time making a record, because that usually makes for the most enjoyable music. I think Jerome was having fun making Dream Mixes, and consequently, it succeeded for me. But too many recent TD releases sound like they were composed by a piece of software. I wonder if that was Edgar's big technological breakthrough of the 90s? ;-) > So why would we make public anything other that work which they > wholeheartedly believed in? That one's easy...money. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: Steve Jenkins > > Ahem - excuse me > >>Do you care? Probably not, but try this. Play Transiberia and then >>Tangram. Put on Oasis and then Richochet. Listen to Hollywood Years >and > then Poland. > > with threads like this, you can see why the *other* list got so > unpopular with Edgar ;-) This is all deja vu. > > Perhaps its time you moved to the dinosaur list with some of us > sauropods. > > Steve > np: Jacula - Tardo pede in magiam versus > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > ONElist members are using Shared Files in great ways! > http://www.onelist.com > Are you? If not, see our homepage for details. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: Carlo Ruggiero From: Richard Ford , Steve Jenkins writes >From: Steve Jenkins > >Ahem - excuse me > >>Do you care? Probably not, but try this. Play Transiberia and then >>Tangram. Put on Oasis and then Richochet. Listen to Hollywood Years >and then >Poland. > >with threads like this, you can see why the *other* list got so >unpopular with Edgar ;-) This is all deja vu. Out of interest what is this other list -- Richard Ford From: 'Joe Shoults' > > >with threads like this, you can see why the *other* list got so > >unpopular with Edgar ;-) This is all deja vu. > > Out of interest what is this other list And this answers my question as to when to step in and call an end to a negative thread. This is not a TD bashing list. As in the past, if anyone wants to make any 'freedom of speech' complaints, contact me off-list. We are fortunate enough to enjoy a link from TD's site, and they have agreed to do an interview, and TDI is present on the list to give us the inside info when we need it. We're not here to bash the band and complain about how we wish they were different. Turn the corner and let's move on. -Joe listowner From: Carlo Ruggiero From: 'Jared White' -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@c...] > > And this answers my question as to when to step in and call an end to a > negative thread. > This is not a TD bashing list. As in the past, if anyone wants > to make any > 'freedom of speech' complaints, contact me off-list. > > We are fortunate enough to enjoy a link from TD's site, and they > have agreed > to do an interview, and TDI is present on the list to give us the inside > info when we need it. We're not here to bash the band and complain about > how we wish they were different. Turn the corner and let's move on. Thank you. Jared P. S. Anyone know anything about the 'Tibetian Cycle' mentioned in the liner notes to 'Lhasa' (on Quinoa Extended)? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17081 Re: Last Chance For TD / Tibetian Cycle? Glenn Reinicke Wed 6/30/1999 2 KB 17084 Re: Last Chance For TD / Tibetian Cycle? Jens Peschke Wed 6/30/1999 1 KB From: Glenn Reinicke -----Original Message----- > From: Jared White [SMTP:jwhite@s...] > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 5:32 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Last Chance For TD / Tibetian Cycle? > > From: 'Jared White' > > P. S. Anyone know anything about the 'Tibetian Cycle' mentioned in the > liner > notes to 'Lhasa' (on Quinoa Extended)? > From: 'Jared White' From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Wed Jun 30, 1999 4:40 am Subject: Re: Digest Number 124 In a message dated 29-06-1999 3:50:28 AM EST, Hans.H.deKruis@O... writes: << And name me one group or person who has a row of albums with all the same high quality. >> Thelonious Monk - All high quality - All exactly the same but different - Just my opinion - Many people complain that he _NEVER_ covered _ANY_ new ground, personally I'm glad he didn't. - Phil N. From: 'Jens Peschke' From: Glenn Reinicke > > It's going to be a new compilation, the Three Finger Years. The Tibetan > cycle are the 'exclusive tracks never before released' on the German > release only. UK, US, and Japan editions have picture disks. I take it the none German release have different picture disks then, eh ? > Track Listing [snip] > The Tibetan Cycle - Lhasa, Apso, Shitsu, Noodle, Been There, Done That > > With cover art that changes every 3 months. ;-) LOL. At least someone who remains a bit of humour. :-) Looks more like the ultimate coaster to me. Best Regards Jens From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Wed Jun 30, 1999 5:37 am Subject: Re: Cat Amongst The Pigeons In a message dated 29-06-1999 4:59:45 AM EST, 9148621s@u... writes: << Mars Polaris is TDs last chance in my book. If it's all ten year old synth string pads and dance music drum beats, and non-existant melodies then I'll wash my hands of TD, and devote my time, and money, to artists who are genuinely shifting the musical paradigm. Please let me be wrong! Regards Anil >> OK, Anil, you can be wrong if you like. I am reminded of Michael Jordan the baseball star (?) leaving the basketball court to proove that he is master of all he surveys. Mistake! He was back on the court a year later to win another championship. This was his medium. TD's medium is unique. No one else can do it. They can't invent a whole new canvas to develop a whole new art form again, either. Let them do what they do. If you don't like it, let someone else have the freedom to appreciate it. When it's gone (and it won't be long) I bet everyone will wish for 'the good old days' which lasted all the way to the end of the 20th Century. Phil N. From: 'Jens Peschke' From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... > > It is the same with me since i am playing with modplugtracker and some > virtual synthesizers > my listening is more analysing and trying to make the same kind of songs. How about uploading a small mpeg of what you did then ? If you're interested in EM and doing music you should join 'alfa centauri', a Dutch based EM (&musicians) club, unfortunately the magazines are in the Dutch language. Interesting reading even with my somewhat limited Dutch skills, though. Check http://home.wxs.nl/~quantumproductions [TD content] > The latest albums of TD have more layers etc then the early ones they are > more complex;-) Indeed, more complex concerning the number of layers. *But* it lost its organic character to a certain extend. The drums/electronic percussion in particular are a bit too much in the face and often (and that might be only my impression) don't work right well in the context of the sequences, whose complexity is very low. Speaking of complexity. Granted TD's output uses an awful lot of different tracks (multitracking), but each track is quite easy to follow and simple structured, so are the chord progressions and melodies, who all sound damn familiar. Best Regards Jens From: 'j.gordon' There is a similar progression that occurs in the natural 'life cycle' of a > mailing list, and the best article I've ever seen on it is here: > http://www.catalog.com/vivian/life-cycle.html > > If you are a member that is interested in the ongoing vitality of the list > and enjoy the sense of community that develops here, you will find it > interesting. I think it is a good thing if list members recognize when a > post or a thread is negative, and find a way to make something positive out > of it. > > -Joe j.gordon here... Thanks, joe... that was very interesting as it pretty much paints the picture of reality here on this list... I'm really interested to see how it continues to 'mature'... :) j.gordon _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: Derk wrote (some time ago): >but I don't even like Logos that much. It has its >nice moments, but a lot of the time it just drags on >and on and sounds like analog synthesizer noodling. Analog synthesizer noodling? I thought that was exactly what Tangerine Dream were all about in the old days! ;-) Love 'em for it, too! And my .000002 cents to the current thread: Anil said: >As a team, Franke and Froese were a force to be reckened >with. Individually, they are weak and perhaps purile. >The whole was greater than the sum of the parts. Well, a friend of mine is really into those Babylon 5 soundtracks that Franke makes so I reckoned he'd warm to some Franke era Tangerine Dream, too. I gave him Tangram, Thief and Logos and he didn't like them at all! It's all a matter of preferences. D From: 'Plumer, Scott' The music we hear from TD is art... plain and simple... it is the art produced >by artists... those artists follow the path their own muses lead them... Van >Gogh had many phases (as did all the great artists, and not so great ones)... >some were 'better' than others... but in the end Van Gogh produced what he >believed he needed to produce at that time... and Edgar (and Jerome) will do >the same... But do they? I wonder. I find it hard to believe that the same mind that produced Aqua and Stuntman produced Rockoon. It may simply be artistic progression, but remember, some music is intended purely as entertainment, some is intended as art. How does one determine the difference? Ask the artist. >The problem, Scott, is that if they make music that moves only them, who >else will want to buy it? What other way do they have of making a living? As artists who want to make a living from their art, they have to hope that the art they produce will be liked by people enough to earn themselves a living. Robert Smith from the Cure once said that he didn't care if anyone bought his albums. He said he makes music for himself, and if people like it, great, if not, he didn't care. Of course, when the payments for his Mercedes had to be made, he may have changed his tune. >They have been doing this to a limited extent, but they don't seem to be >as adept with it as Haslinger. I wouldn't like to see them take this >route though, if only because that buys into the post-modernist credo >that the only new things to do are to re-hash and re-interpret what's >already been done and what already exists. But then, I have been accused I'm going to really risk getting flamed here by saying that ALL music re-hashes what's come before to some extent. There is a finite number of instruments, notes, etc., so everything is a re-hash to some degree. The difference comes where one takes a step forward from what's come before, or mindlessly repeats it. An excellent example is the band Triumvirate. They sound EXACTLY like Emerson, Lake and Palmer, to the point of sounding like a tribute band. They've not taken a step forward. Marillion is somewhat derivative of Genesis and Van der Graaf Generator, but HAS taken a step forward. TD's in a bad situation, a situation other long-lived bands also face. Do they keep doing what they've been doing, and risk being labeled dinosaurs, or do they tread new ground and risk being called sellouts? Scott From: 'kayleigh' From: 'j.gordon' In the interest of brevity, I'm replying to two different messages... > > First John Schick: > >The music we hear from TD is art... plain and simple... it is the art > produced > >by artists... those artists follow the path their own muses lead them... > Van > >Gogh had many phases (as did all the great artists, and not so great > ones)... > >some were 'better' than others... but in the end Van Gogh produced what he > >believed he needed to produce at that time... and Edgar (and Jerome) will > do > >the same... > But do they? I wonder. I find it hard to believe that the same mind that > produced Aqua and Stuntman produced Rockoon. It may simply be artistic > progression, but remember, some music is intended purely as entertainment, > some is intended as art. How does one determine the difference? Ask the > artist. as i am a musician and a writer (somehow then, falling into that 'artist' catagory) i have learned that we as artists often produce what we as consumers of art wouldn't exactly go in for... i know it sounds strange, but it is a phenomena that occurs regularly... meaning, asking Edgar may not give you the answer you are looking for... and as for the same mind giving you Aqua and Rockoon... riddle yourself this: would you answer the same way now to questions put to you as you would have answered them twelve years ago? Most would probably say no, simply because they have grow, grown older and see the world differently, have different values, needs, etc... how many years seperate Aqua and Rockoon? Still the same mind, but what that mind sees, experiences and wants to communicate is probably not the same... ciao for now... j.gordon... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Wed Jun 30, 1999 3:10 pm Subject: Re: The end of the (TD) world as we know it... In a message dated 30-06-1999 8:46:05 AM EST, Scott.Plumer@t... writes: << TD's in a bad situation, a situation other long-lived bands also face. Do they keep doing what they've been doing, and risk being labeled dinosaurs, or do they tread new ground and risk being called sellouts? Scott >> Hi, Scott, Wasn't it Edgar's contention that the music was not for the fans, but for his own sense of propriety. If that is, was, will be the fact, then it probably does not matter what we all think -- sink or swim -- but where Edgar goes next. His inscrutability will remain the force behind any and all creation. I have read for years how certain people will move on to more adventurous artifice; leaving TD behind buried in the rough. Most seem to return when a new release hits the racks; if only to jibe at Edgar, but they still listen. This single fact keeps TD alive. How much longer? Phil N. From: Glenn Reinicke From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > But do they? I wonder. I find it hard to believe that the same mind that > produced Aqua and Stuntman produced Rockoon. It may simply be artistic > progression, but remember, some music is intended purely as entertainment, > some is intended as art. How does one determine the difference? Ask the > artist. And you really think Edgar will say that _Rockoon_ was intended as entertainment? ;) > >The problem, Scott, is that if they make music that moves only them, who > >else will want to buy it? What other way do they have of making a living? > As artists who want to make a living from their art, they have to hope that > the art they produce will be liked by people enough to earn themselves a > living. Robert Smith from the Cure once said that he didn't care if anyone > bought his albums. He said he makes music for himself, and if people like > it, great, if not, he didn't care. Of course, when the payments for his > Mercedes had to be made, he may have changed his tune. Exactly! Once enough people turn away from what they are doing now, and even grocery bills become a pressing weekly concern (never mind luxurious pursuits), we'll see just how long they keep putting out what THEY want. But, since I don't know just what their financial situation is, they may just be well off enough to continue doing what they want for many years to come. To paraphrase Charlton Heston (not talking about guns), 'The problem with music as a business is that it's art, and the problem with it as an art is that it's business.' (he was originally referring to movies) It may not be pretty or noble, but it's a simple fact of modern life. > TD's in a bad situation, a situation other long-lived bands also face. Do > they keep doing what they've been doing, and risk being labeled dinosaurs, > or do they tread new ground and risk being called sellouts? This whole debate hasn't much to do with whether or not they are sellouts, really. It's that the things they've moved on to aren't particularly fresh or creative compared to much of what's out there now, and they don't seem to realize just how much the ante has been upped, at least in terms of competing with other artists for the listener's dollars. How much longer can they rely on a once-loyal fan base who are holding them to a standard of quality they can no longer meet (in the view of those fans, of course)? > Scott Gabe From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Jens Peschke' From: Carlo Ruggiero > I will refrain from submitting a long post in favor of the new TD > output. My opinion is that with all of these fans abandoning TD: GOOD! > More for me and the rest of us who like TD's current releases. Yikes. Carlo, do me a favour and don't let others put you down. We had some negative comments (which I don't mind) and know it's time for something positive (which I don't mind either) - so go for that review and share your impressions ! Best Regards Jens np: TD - Mars Polaris (available in German CD stores for a few days now) From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Michael A. Jean' --- > Subject: [tadream] Help required. > > > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Hi folks hows things. > Can anyone who has the keep please mail me the disc number/order number > please just to satisfy curiosity. > From: teiwaz _ From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: kayleigh [mailto:kayleigh@m...] ... > future. BUT I was reading about a 'dinosaur' list, and wanted to find out > what this was about? From reading, it sounds like a flame war list or > something obviously I have no interest in reading, BUT I agree with what > several people say on here. If TD has that many Cds out, NOT > every one will be a 'stroke of genius' (although being a new fan, I > can't say I've found ONE that I Don't like. I think they're all fabulous I don't know who referered to the other list as a 'dinosaur' list, but that's not how I would characterize it. It is simply not moderated, as is this one, and is e-mail-only and doesn't have the customizable options or web features that this list has. Naturally, there will be 'spikes' in the amount of flame/offtopic stuff, but there are very knowledgeable people there who have simply chosen to not join this list for their own reasons. The older list used to have a link on the TD website, but the link was removed essentially due to the level of negativity it had reached. This is not to say that it is at that point now, but again, it is unmoderated and unpredictable. Some people prefer that. This list is unmoderated, in the literal sense. If it were literally moderated, all messages would have to be approved before showing. We don't do that, but as a 'moderators', it is our job to try to keep those spikes less frequent and less pronounced, and to try to maintain an overall positive experience here. How to do this is not always clear. When to step in without sounding like a Nazi is a judgement call on my behalf, and I welcome your feedback whenever you think I am jumping the gun. -Joe From: 'Plumer, Scott' i've been called many things in my life, but john schick has not been one of >them... ;) Sorry. Curse of the digesters. >catagory) i have learned that we as artists often produce what we as consumers >of art wouldn't exactly go in for... i know it sounds strange, but it is a >phenomena that occurs regularly... meaning, asking Edgar may not give you the >answer you are looking for... Well, I was thinking more along the lines of, say, the Spice Girls. If you asked them, they'd probably say that they have no pretenses of producing art, they just make fun music that people like - pure entertainment. (Not slagging the SG, mind you) I just wonder what REALLY went through Ed's head when he made some of these albums. I don't deny they're art, I just wonder what his motivation for making them was. > Wasn't it Edgar's contention that the music was not for the fans, >but for his own sense of propriety. If that is, was, will be the fact, then >it probably does not matter what we all think -- sink or swim -- but >where Edgar goes next. His inscrutability will remain the force behind any >and all creation. Yes it was, but do you believe him? All artists who live off their work must balance their creative desires with the desire of their consumers and the desires of the market at large. I don't care what the musicians on the list say, but it's true. I'm waiting for some popular musician or band to put out an album of nothing but burps and farts, just to see if people will buy it. >And you really think Edgar will say that _Rockoon_ was intended as >entertainment? ;) Absolutely not. It's art, there's no denying that. But if you were to make a triangle, and label the points thusly: Artist's desire; Fans' desire; Market's desire, and place Rockoon, or ToB or TotT on there, I think our placement would differ greatly from Ed's & Jerome's. >This whole debate hasn't much to do with whether or not they are >sellouts, really. It's that the things they've moved on to aren't >particularly fresh or creative compared to much of what's out there now, and True, absolutely. But how fresh and new can you be when you've been creating for 30+ years? Don't you run out of ideas? My last opinion on this subject: the '70s were different. Anyone who lived through them knows that. Society at large was much more accepting of something different than it is now, at least in the US. TD's music reflects the time it was made better than most other artists, IMHO. What if someone made something like EM today? A record company person wouldn't even listen to it! Times change, as does TD. Personally, the only TD albums I can say I DON'T like are Rockoon and Catch Me If You Can. Other than that, I like some more than others, and each has its place in history. All of them have their good points and their bad points. Except Pergamon. It has no bad points. :-) Scott From: 'Jared White' From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Jul 2, 1999 4:22 am Subject: Re: Dinosaur list? In a message dated 01-07-1999 8:34:13 AM EST, joes@c... writes: << This list is unmoderated, in the literal sense. If it were literally moderated, all messages would have to be approved before showing. We don't do that, but as a 'moderators', it is our job to try to keep those spikes less frequent and less pronounced, and to try to maintain an overall positive experience here. How to do this is not always clear. When to step in without sounding like a Nazi is a judgement call on my behalf, and I welcome your feedback whenever you think I am jumping the gun. -Joe >> The reason I left the 'other' list ( it must be a year ago, now ) was due to the level of (IMO) garbage one had to filter through in order to find any useful information. I have only 20 minutes a day to read E-mail and then I have to get back to work. The 'other' list was very time consuming. At this point 'this' one is not. Keep up the good work. Moderation is good. Anarchy is good too, if you have the patience to put up with it. Hopefully with enough cross-pollination we can all live together separately. Oxymoron? Phil N. From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: Ken Beal From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: KMu9978842@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Jul 3, 1999 12:25 am Subject: Re: ElectronicMusic For Sale Hi Ken, Could you please send me a copy of your list. Thanks.........Kelvin From: 'John Marchington' To: TD EMAIL Sent: Saturday, 3 July 1999 12:18 Subject: [tadream] E L P > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Hi Guys ( Still Bored ) > > Just for the record and if anyone is interested, The second most excellent > band ever to grace the stage has reformed and is starting a World tour in > Mid August 99 > Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends, Ladies And Gentelmen. > EMERSON LAKE AND PALMER. > > The Preacher. ( Oh I'm not prepared to state who is the greatest band > ever ) > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > With more than 20 million e-mails exchanged daily... > http://www.onelist.com > ...ONElist is home to the liveliest discussions on the Internet! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'Lawry Simm' From: 'Lawry Simm' >>> You will find that since onelist has started, Wisconsin traffic is really low, down to about 10 mail a day tops... and IMHO it is now down to a few quality snippets... On the other hand, I now find that it is this list that is filled with tons of 'garbage'... i.e. 50 mails all saying the same things.. being on one side or other of the TD fence (with the odd few firmly on the fence too)... I find myself just scanning onelist now for the golden nuggets, and ignoring the vast majority... Of course, there is no way I could be without either list.... (even though I'm subbed to about 10 others too...) Regards, Lawry From: mapachecol@xxxxx.xxx Date: Sat Jul 3, 1999 5:23 pm Subject: Traumzeit Hello everybody, If you are interested on it please visit http://auctions.yahoo.com/auction/5472270 Thanks. -Mario From: GlynnN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx Date: Sat Jul 3, 1999 6:09 pm Subject: Art v. Market Hello all, >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:21:27 -0400 From: 'Plumer, Scott' >Yes it was, but do you believe him? All artists who live off their work must >balance their creative desires with the desire of their consumers and the >desires of the market at large. I don't care what the musicians on the list >say, but it's true. I'm waiting for some popular musician or band to put out >an album of nothing but burps and farts, just to see if people will buy it. It's worth remembering that this tendency of artists to be very precious about what they do is a very modern thing. For a completely opposite approach, look at Shakespeare. In many of his plays the first couple of minutes consists of nothing much, really. They do not advance plot or character at all. This was because he knew that at the start of a performance the audience would be rowdy and would not see or hear what was going on anyway. He therefore gave them time to settle down. He didn't come over with the delicate artist routine: 'I'm an artist and you must BE QUIET and be respectful of my work.' As far as he was concerned he was simply churning out product, and doing so in a way that would accomodate the conditions he was working under. It's quite interesting how we often retrospectively apply our own values to him. Just because he didn't keep nice copies of all his own plays and poems, the argument goes, he couldn't possibly have been the author of them. This completely ignores the fact that to him, they were probably nothing more than a way to make large amounts of money (he died in modern terms a multimillionaire) and that, beyond that, he didn't have the slightest interest in them. This all strikes me as an eminently healthly approach to art and life. Contrast it with modern pretentious twats like Harold Pinter, who was recently complaining because people had the temerity to cough during performances of his plays. Shock horror! It always makes me giggle, then, when I hear much lesser artists getting precious about what they do. To Edgar and all artists who take themselves too seriously: if playing to the masses was good enough for a genius like Shakespeare, it's good enough for YOU. Glynn ----------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: This e-mail contains proprietary information some or all of which may be legally privileged. It is for the intended recipient only. 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ID Date Size 24969 Test Glenn Folkvord Sat 11/11/2000 2 KB 24971 Re: Test Neal Frost Sat 11/11/2000 2 KB 26149 Test Neal Frost Mon 2/26/2001 2 KB 32202 Test albenson Thu 2/14/2002 2 KB 33282 Test Heiko Heerssen Tue 4/9/2002 2 KB 33283 Re: Test Grant M Somerville Tue 4/9/2002 2 KB 33284 Re: Test mars103nl Tue 4/9/2002 2 KB 33285 Re: Test albenson Tue 4/9/2002 3 KB 33288 Re: Test Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 4/9/2002 3 KB From: John Gentile Hi Guys ( Still Bored ) Just for the record and if anyone is interested, The second most excellent band ever to grace the stage has reformed and is starting a World tour in Mid August 99 Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends, Ladies And Gentelmen. EMERSON LAKE AND PALMER. The Preacher. ( Oh I'm not prepared to state who is the greatest band ever ) --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- With more than 20 million e-mails exchanged daily... http://www.onelist.com ...ONElist is home to the liveliest discussions on the Internet! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: 'Plumer, Scott' Date: Tue Jul 6, 1999 1:20 pm Subject: Wakeman >Are you sure about this? I heard Keith Emerson and Rick Wakeman may tour? I heard Wakeman was born again and now only plays sacred music, so I kinda doubt it. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17131 Re: Wakeman :-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dust Wed 7/7/1999 1 KB 17148 Re: Wakeman Andrew J. Rozsa Thu 7/8/1999 1 KB 17154 Re: Wakeman Plumer, Scott Thu 7/8/1999 1 KB 17172 Re: Wakeman Andrew J. Rozsa Fri 7/9/1999 1 KB From: 'kayleigh' From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Jim Moore' From: Gabe Yedid > > Did everybody decide to go on holiday last Friday or something? > Or, for one of the few times in either list's history, there's really > nothing to say? I think everyone's quietly waiting for their copy of MARS POLARIS to come in... - jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 'The Internet! Is that thing still around?' -- Homer Simpson jimbo@v... Jim Moore, Atlanta, GA Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net From: 'Thomas' From: 'Jim Moore' > >> From: Gabe Yedid >> >> Did everybody decide to go on holiday last Friday or something? >> Or, for one of the few times in either list's history, there's really >> nothing to say? > >I think everyone's quietly waiting for their copy of MARS POLARIS to >come in... Or maybe they got MARS POLARIS and found it so great they had to listen to it a while more ;o) Thomas Bertilsson Sweden np: Tangram - whoah this album really grows with each listen! From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 6:30 PM Subject: [tadream] Why is it so quiet here? > From: Gabe Yedid > > Did everybody decide to go on holiday last Friday or something? > Or, for one of the few times in either list's history, there's really > nothing to say? The usual routine I think Things have got a little stale, Think I need to cook up something contraversial, I will give it some thought. The other reason May be only selected parts of the World ended on the 4th of July. Keep Dreamin Guys. The Preacher. From: Gabe Yedid The usual routine I think Things have got a little stale, Think I need to > cook up something contraversial, I will give it some thought. Take it away... > The other reason May be only selected parts of the World ended on the 4th of > July. > Keep Dreamin Guys. The Preacher. Hopefully I'll have a lot more dreamin' to do when I finally get my hands on a copy of _Mars Polaris_ :-S Gabe From: Joel Mullen From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Bag' Do: Wys³ano: 6 lipca 1999 20:39 Temat: Re: [tadream] Why is it so quiet here? | From: Gabe Yedid | | On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Carl & Jacqui Kearney wrote: | | > The usual routine I think Things have got a little stale, Think I need to | > cook up something contraversial, I will give it some thought. | | Take it away... | | > The other reason May be only selected parts of the World ended on the 4th of | > July. | | > Keep Dreamin Guys. The Preacher. | | Hopefully I'll have a lot more dreamin' to do when I finally get my hands | on a copy of _Mars Polaris_ :-S | | Gabe | | --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- | | Having difficulty getting 'in synch' with list members? | http://www.onelist.com | Try ONElist's Shared Calendar to organize events, meetings and more! | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... | Website: http://tadream.copfer.com | | | | -- | Najlepszy polski bezplatny serwer http://www.kki.net.pl | To jest miejsce na reklame Twojej firmy - (012) 429-42-87 | | -- Najlepszy polski bezplatny serwer http://www.kki.net.pl To jest miejsce na reklame Twojej firmy - (012) 429-42-87 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17128 Re: Odp: [tadream] Why is it so quiet here? Gabe Yedid Wed 7/7/1999 1 KB From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Bag' > > Hi > What is the way to get my own copy of Mars Polaris You can: 1) order the Stimpak or Dream Triplets packs from TDI's web site 2) order from one of the major online retailers that have it in stock (Groove, CDNow, CDpoint, CDUniverse, etc.), but you'll probably need to pay in greenbacks. 3) Try to trade for it with somebody here who's got one or can easily get more (preferably somebody in Germany) Personally, I'm waiting for the worldwide release at the end of the month. Then again, given the number of TDI albums that have actually trickled through to Canada, maybe I'm best off following my own advice. > Bag Gabe From: :'-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk' Question: > I own a copy of Macula Transfer on CD, it was released about ten months > ago - and then was withdrawn without notice probably due to legal reasons of > copyright ownership. Any idea how much this is worth, not that I am parting > with my copy. > > Virgin were supposedly releasing Macula Transfer plus the track that had > been dropped from the EF solo 'Ages' CD. > I have the Ages CD (mid price release) also, although Virgin deny all > knowlegde of this and say it is not availble... -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: :'-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk' > From: Joel Mullen > > Hello all- > I have my sales list and my wanted list completed. Let > me know if you want a copy of it (if I did not send it to you already) > Both lists have more than 200 items each. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: :'-Peter :-Prisekin aka :-Dusty :-Chalk' > From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >Are you sure about this? I heard Keith Emerson and Rick Wakeman may tour? > > I heard Wakeman was born again and now only plays sacred music, so I kinda > doubt it. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Wed Jul 7, 1999 5:54 am Subject: Re: What's Up With Dat'? In a message dated 06-07-1999 8:09:05 PM EST, siberkat@b... writes: << I mean what's up with Ambient Monkeys? Some of the music is good, but the jungle noise gets annoying after awhile. I almost dislike it as much as Flashpoint or Near Dark (UGH!). & AQUA >> Always the one to disagree, I will agree that Ambient Monkeys is not to my taste, I really like Near Dark, Flash Point and Aqua. I disagree that there is a commonality here. Ambient Monkeys is AMBIENT. None of the others are; even Aqua. The other two ND and FP are OSTs, there is no correlation. Some of the music here is Quite Inventive. When I saw these movies, and before I knew there was TD music in them, I began salivating in a particularly Pavlovian way. For months I was driven to find these OSTs, and I was quite enamored of the compositions when I played them loud and in my face. This must have been quite a stretch for Edgar on some of these tunes in ND. On the other hand; I was listening to Quinoa on the way home this evening. This is a sometimes interesting work, but often times it sounds like the piece was made for length rather than expression. I found myself saying occasionally, 'Hasn't this section gone on long enough?' And then it would run on for a couple of minutes more before a nuance would enter the arena, only to get quickly mired down again. I strained to pick up some reason for the redundancy, but failed ultimately. One of the reasons I like TD is the way that many of their creations dovetail, meld, and metamorphosize while you hold them in the palm of your hand. It is really magic. Many pieces they have written, both old and new, can take your breath away when they turn dramatically and reveal a new facet you have only been dimly aware of in the background. This become a very kaleidoscopic development, One continues to watch unmindful of the demise of certain elements, because there is always something else of equal or greater importance evolving to capture your spirit, and theirs. When the music is over there is a combination of exhilaration and sorrow, one which makes you go to the TD collection so you can try to resuscitate your flagging emotions with another fix. Sometimes you can. Quinoa, for me, has none of that. It promises. It promises. It continues to promise. It doesn't deliver on that promise. The chaff needs to be separated from the wheat (Quinoa). Of course this most likely cannot be done; any more than Shakespeare's plays can be effectively edited to bring the style up to date. The translation destroys the character of the original, and all you are left with is a dead husk. Ah, well. Time to put Soho Man on again. There is some of that problem in this recording, too. Perhaps it just an element I don't appreciate. Perhaps I'm stuck in a rut...in a rut...in a rut...in a rut... Phil Naunton From: 'Plumer, Scott' Now that will be a great show, only band I haven't seen that I want to is >TD. Anyway we can beg and plead that they do a tour or a few shows of the >States? This has been bandied about before. They'll only tour if it would be financially feasible for them. Of course, how much could it cost to drag a couple of DAT machines along? :-) But seriously, if they're not going to make money, they're not going to tour. Fish cancelled his tour of the States because his record company wouldn't support it, so apparently he's putting up a rather substantial amount of his own money to tour, on the order of 20,000 quid apparently. But for Fish it's easier, because all he really has to haul over is the band's instruments, and the amps, speakers, mics, etc. they can rent here. TD, on the other hand, probably would have to haul all their gear over here, at huge expense. Unless they were guarenteed of big draws wherever they played, it wouldn't be worth it for them. They measure that by how well their recent releases have sold, and since so few of the TDI releases have actually made it here (except the ones I DON'T want!) they're not going to sell all that much. They're best bet, I think, is to be someone's opening act or get on with a festival or something. Although I doubt Ed's ego would let him open for another band. It's too bad they couldn't have hooked up with the Orbital/Crystal Method tour. TD really isn't Electronica, per se, but they're close enough. A DM-style set would go over pretty well, I'd bet. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17134 Re: TD Tour (don't hold your breath) Gabe Yedid Wed 7/7/1999 3 KB 17139 Re: TD Tour (don't hold your breath) Ken Mitchell Thu 7/8/1999 2 KB 17146 Re: TD Tour (don't hold your breath) Jared White Thu 7/8/1999 2 KB 17147 Re: TD Tour (don't hold your breath) Jared White Thu 7/8/1999 1 KB From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > This has been bandied about before. They'll only tour if it would be > financially feasible for them. Of course, how much could it cost to drag a > couple of DAT machines along? :-) But seriously, if they're not going to > make money, they're not going to tour. They were probably lucky to break even on their '97 European tour. (Did it actually make money....?) > 20,000 quid apparently. But for Fish it's easier, because all he really has > to haul over is the band's instruments, and the amps, speakers, mics, etc. > they can rent here. TD, on the other hand, probably would have to haul all > their gear over here, at huge expense. Unless they were guarenteed of big > draws wherever they played, it wouldn't be worth it for them. They measure > that by how well their recent releases have sold, and since so few of the > TDI releases have actually made it here (except the ones I DON'T want!) > they're not going to sell all that much. (murmurs something about it being nobody's fault but their own for not establishing better distribution...) > Their best bet, I think, is to be someone's opening act or get on with a > festival or something. Isn't that what the cancelled New York gig was supposed to be, though? (Gabe ponders...TD at the Montreal Jazzfest...hey if Carl Craig can get away with it, so can TD) > Although I doubt Ed's ego would let him open for > another band. It's too bad they couldn't have hooked up with the > Orbital/Crystal Method tour. TD really isn't Electronica, per se, but > they're close enough. A DM-style set would go over pretty well, I'd bet. Most electronica fans would consider DM-style stuff closer to synth-pop, IMO. Not really 'serious' techno (even if it would be musically more interesting). > Scott Gabe From: 'Plumer, Scott' From: 'JMJ Fanklubb Norge' From: 'Heiko Heerßen' >I just read in a newspaper that Kraftwerk has made a new song! .... >well, it's only 3 seconds long :-( It's a jingle for the EXPO 2000 in >Hannover. The band received >400.000 DM (about 210.000 US Dollars) for that tiny piece of music. Actually the jingle is 30 seconds. It has a vocoder voice saying 'expo 2000' in different languages. There is a possibility that the fee they received includes a longer, radio-friendly version which has not been released yet. regards, glenn From: 'Jens Peschke' >I just read in a newspaper that Kraftwerk has made a new song! .... > >well, it's only 3 seconds long :-( It's a jingle for the EXPO 2000 in > >Hannover. The band received > >400.000 DM (about 210.000 US Dollars) for that tiny piece of music. [Glenn] > Actually the jingle is 30 seconds. It has a vocoder voice saying 'expo 2000' in different >languages. Yep - 6 different languages to be precise. >There is a possibility that the fee they received includes a longer, radio-friendly version which >has not been released yet. True. It might find its way onto the next KW CD, which is delayed for erm... 5 years now ? Anyway, I bet the Kraftwerk guys are laughing their arses off while relaxing on a neat island. But hey, there's hardly any German band as prolific as Kraftwerk so they deserve it. ;-) Jens From: Sean Montgomery > I just read in a newspaper that Kraftwerk has made a new song! .... > > well, it's only 3 seconds long :-( It's a jingle for the EXPO 2000 > > in Hannover. The band received 400.000 DM (about 210.000 US Dollars) > > for that tiny piece of music. I wonder how much Brian Eno was paid for the Windows 98 startup sound? > Anyway, I bet the Kraftwerk guys are laughing their arses off while relaxing > on a neat island. Actually, my understanding is that they don't relax much. They cycle every morning, and then put in 8 hours or more in the studio. At least, that's the story. I find it hard to believe that they have failed to put out an album of new material in 13 years while working like that. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Ken Mitchell But for Fish it's easier, because all he really has >to haul over is the band's instruments, and the amps, speakers, mics, etc. >they can rent here. TD, on the other hand, probably would have to haul all >their gear over here, at huge expense. Unless they were guarenteed of big >draws wherever they played, it wouldn't be worth it for them. The best thing they could do is tour without their usual kit. Maybe it would force them down a few roads that haven't seen the light for a) a long while b) ever. I still love the band but whatever you think about the quality of the music they produce I cant see any valid arguments for them being cutting edge any longer. Five minutes in the 'listen before purchasing' dance section of Tower Records will show you fairly clueless kids producing more startling sounds with fresher ideas. That's hard to say but it's the truth and do you know how hard it is for a mid-thirty something male to peruse the dance section and try not look uncool but not pretend to be cool either ? :) From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Ray' > To: Subject: NGC891 - 2 different versions > Date: Wed, Jul 7, 1999, 3:00 PM > > > Clot > > If the 74-49 version of NGC891 says its a remix, it hardly would be the > same as the original, > with regards to disliking Flashpoint, Near Dark and Aqua you obviuosly have no taste. I bet you like John Tesh & hate 'Tyger'. I was under the impression I am allowed to have an opinion. In regards to NGC891, believe it or not, I know what a 'remix' is. However, I am under the impression that there would be some semblance of the original song somewhere. BUT IT IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SONG! BTW what do you mean by 'Clot'? It could have been alot worse for you, trust me. I am not in the mood. Metal Claws Extended Siberkat ---------- R I almost dislike it as much as Flashpoint or Near Dark (UGH!). & AQUA, I mean, I should have listened to people on the list. But, always got to suffer for myself. Anyone know why NGC891 is so totally different from the version on EF 74-79 (heard the cut from a certain 'booty' with naked ladies on it) ? To me they are 2 totally different songs. From: Nick.Adams@xxxx.xxx Date: Thu Jul 8, 1999 12:34 am Subject: Rare TD ? Hi Guys, Wandering around the web the other night, i come across these....... LP 'DISC DRIVE' TANGERINE DREAM/NEURONIUM 1985..............seems to be a collaboration between TD and Neuronium CD 'DALÍ: THE ENDLESS ENIGMA' KLAUS SCHULZE/STEVE ROACH/MICHEL HUYGEN 1990.....and likewise this seems to be KS, neuronium and S roach anyone know about these albums, ? They can be found at http://www.neuronium.com/discos.htm They are not for sale, they are just in the discography of neuronium Nick Home Nicad@C... Work Nick.Adams@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17142 Re: Rare TD ? Sean Montgomery Thu 7/8/1999 1 KB 17149 Re: Rare TD ? Nick adams Thu 7/8/1999 2 KB 17150 Re: Rare TD ? yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx Thu 7/8/1999 1 KB 17156 Re: Rare TD ? Sean Montgomery Thu 7/8/1999 1 KB From: Sean Montgomery Wandering around the web the other night, i come across > these....... > LP 'DISC DRIVE' > TANGERINE DREAM/NEURONIUM 1985..............seems to be a collaboration between > TD and Neuronium I have this one...it's a compilation album, on which TD and Neuronium both appear. No collaborations. If you're interested, the TD tracks are Central Park, Yellowstone Park and Streethawk. There are also a couple of good track from Mark Shreeve's album 'Legion'. > CD 'DALÍ: THE ENDLESS ENIGMA' > KLAUS SCHULZE/STEVE ROACH/MICHEL HUYGEN 1990.....and likewise this seems to > be KS, neuronium and S roach Another compilation album. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: PNaunton@a... > > << Ambient Monkeys? > I almost dislike it as much as > Flashpoint or Near Dark (UGH!). & AQUA >> > > I really like Near Dark, Flash Point and Aqua. I disagree > that there is a commonality here. Ambient Monkeys is AMBIENT. None of the > others are; even Aqua. The other two ND and FP are OSTs, there is no > correlation. The correlation is that these are not my favorite CD's. I would be willing to trade them, if I had a decent offer. Put it this way, they ain't Force Majeure, Poland or Optical Race.... > > On the other hand; I was listening to Quinoa on the way home this > evening. This is a sometimes interesting work, but often times it sounds like > the piece was made for length rather than expression. I found myself saying > occasionally, 'Hasn't this section gone on long enough?' And then it would > run on for a couple of minutes more before a nuance would enter the arena, > only to get quickly mired down again. I strained to pick up some reason for > the redundancy, but failed ultimately. See! I happen to LOVE Quinoa. I have liked it since my first listening. Ahhh, friendly disagreements, ain't they a bitch. > Time to put Soho Man on again.. Perhaps I'm > stuck in a rut...in a rut...in a rut...in a rut... I like SOHOMAN to. Maybe I am just a fan with many varied tastes. Keep the conversation flowing. siberkat From: Gabe Yedid > Anyway, I bet the Kraftwerk guys are laughing their arses off while relaxing > > on a neat island. > > Actually, my understanding is that they don't relax much. They cycle > every morning, and then put in 8 hours or more in the studio. At > least, that's the story. I find it hard to believe that they have failed > to put out an album of new material in 13 years while working like that. They're also supposed to be pretty much the most tight-assed perfectionists on the planet. The extreme opposite to TD's way of doing things ;) > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator Gabe From: Kevin Jowers From: 'Jared White' -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Mitchell [mailto:madmitch76@h...] > I still love the band but whatever you think about the quality of > the music > they produce I cant see any valid arguments for them being > cutting edge any > longer. I keep hearing this thing about 'cutting edge'. Just what is 'cutting edge', anyway? All it is is an over-used hype word for meaning the latest, not necessarily the greatest by any means. > Five minutes in the 'listen before purchasing' dance section of > Tower Records will show you fairly clueless kids producing more startling > sounds with fresher ideas. That will be dated, boring, and stupid in a year (or two, maybe even ten, but...). Meanwhile, while TD may not be exactly Bach or Mozart, they will be remembered and reveared as one of the greatest EM bands of the 20th Century (and maybe even beyond!) -- and their music will still be as complex, entertaining, and provocative as it was 20 years ago, yesterday, today, and tomorrow. > That's hard to say but it's the truth and do you know how hard it is > for a mid-thirty something male to peruse the dance section and > try not look > uncool but not pretend to be cool either ? :) Good luck.... ;) Happy listening, Jared _____________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@s... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com iReview: http://www.gaeldesign.com/ireview The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: 'Jared White' From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' From: 'Plumer, Scott' > >>Are you sure about this? I heard Keith Emerson and Rick Wakeman may tour? > >I heard Wakeman was born again and now only plays sacred music, so I kinda >doubt it. Well, Scott, 'Return to the Center of the Earth' (affectionately known as RTTCOTE by ProgRock fans), the new CD that came out a few months ago, maybe considered 'sacred,' but only by some truly devout fans. ;-) Ciao, Andrew From: 'Nick adams' From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > Wandering around the web the other night, i come across > > these....... > > LP 'DISC DRIVE' > > TANGERINE DREAM/NEURONIUM 1985..............seems to be a collaboration between > > TD and Neuronium > > I have this one...it's a compilation album, on which TD and Neuronium both > appear. No collaborations. If you're interested, the TD tracks are > Central Park, Yellowstone Park and Streethawk. There are also a couple > of good track from Mark Shreeve's album 'Legion'. > > > CD 'DALÍ: THE ENDLESS ENIGMA' > > KLAUS SCHULZE/STEVE ROACH/MICHEL HUYGEN 1990.....and likewise this seems to > > be KS, neuronium and S roach > > Another compilation album. > Thanks sean, just as a matter of interest what are the Neuronium and Schulze tracks ? Nick Home Nicad@C... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Thu Jul 8, 1999 8:56 am Subject: Re: Rare TD ? From: 'Nick adams' > (...) > > CD 'DAL=CD: THE ENDLESS ENIGMA' > > KLAUS SCHULZE/STEVE ROACH/MICHEL HUYGEN 1990.....and likewise this seems to >Thanks sean, just as a matter of interest what are the Neuronium and Schulze >tracks ? In the Dali tribute CD, Neuronium (Michel Huygen) composed the track 'the great masturbator' and schulze did 'the Face of Mae West'. Every tracks in this CD is a musical approach of some Dali's paintings and are all unreleased tracks. Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: 'Poulton, Larry' > > I just read in a newspaper that Kraftwerk has made a new song! .... > > well, it's only 3 seconds long :-( It's a jingle for the EXPO 2000 > > in Hannover. The band received 400.000 DM (about 210.000 US Dollars) > > for that tiny piece of music. I wonder how much Brian Eno was paid for the Windows 98 startup sound? > Anyway, I bet the Kraftwerk guys are laughing their arses off while relaxing > on a neat island. Actually, my understanding is that they don't relax much. They cycle every morning, and then put in 8 hours or more in the studio. At least, that's the story. I find it hard to believe that they have failed to put out an album of new material in 13 years while working like that. 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A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: 'kayleigh' Date: Thu Jul 8, 1999 1:09 pm Subject: TD Tour (Don't hold anything) hey all. THANKS for the cool posts about a TD tour. Just a bummer that it doesn't look like it'll happen. YEP, the Fish thing was a dead horse again. AND just the same typical stuff with Fish leaving another company (in the US he said last time around on the SoE Tour he made MORE money here than compared to other 'bigger' markets, and even THEN he's not touring here now because of money), so yes, makes sense that TD won't tour. UGH, what a bunch of crap. I wish these bands that DESERVE the respect and should be touring, and yes, honestly why put up the money if you won't at least break EVEN. Why bother if you'll lose? Much like Marillion (without the US Tour fund THEY would not have toured last time around either, just really sad), and no tour from them this time around either. As for TD? Just too bad I can't fly to Europe to see them! dan Kayleigh's Playhouse http://www.modempool.com/kayleigh Poison/A-ha/Great White/Marc Cohn Online Mailing Lists AOL Screen Name=Tootiehoot / IcQ # 1247205 Yahoo Messenger Name kayleigh_tootiehoot From: 'Plumer, Scott' That will be dated, boring, and stupid in a year (or two, maybe even ten, >but...). Meanwhile, while TD may not be exactly Bach or Mozart, they will be >remembered and reveared as one of the greatest EM bands of the 20th Century >(and maybe even beyond!) -- and their music will still be as complex, >entertaining, and provocative as it was 20 years ago, yesterday, today, and >tomorrow. I second that opinion. Much of what we take for granted in e-music today would not exist if it weren't for TD. They are the Beatles of e-music. (So Edgar, when's my check coming?) :-) Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29121 TD Tour Liondream@a... Mon 9/17/2001 2 KB 29132 Re: TD Tour Michael A Jean Tue 9/18/2001 3 KB From: 'Plumer, Scott' Well, Scott, 'Return to the Center of the Earth' (affectionately known as >RTTCOTE by ProgRock fans), the new CD that came out a few months ago, >maybe considered 'sacred,' but only by some truly devout fans. ;-) I saw him on the 700 Club, the show hosted by Pat Robertson. They talked about how he had been a hard-partying rock & roller, then he saw the light. Scott From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Thu Jul 8, 1999 2:37 pm Subject: Re: What's Up With Dat'? In a message dated 07-07-1999 8:04:28 PM EST, siberkat@b... writes: << Put it this way, they ain't Force Majeure, Poland or Optical Race.... >> ..... but, then, what is? Nothing! Andy Worhol's fifteen minutes of fame has lasted TD for two decades. Phil N. From: Sean Montgomery Thanks sean, just as a matter of interest what are the Neuronium and Schulze > tracks ? As far as the Disc Drive album goes , it's in a box somewhere in my parent's basement, so I can't tell you what the Neuronium track on that one is! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: JMPoer From: Kevin Jowers > >Sorry in advance for the crosspost. Don't get burnt like I did. > > >Neal Frost >9470 Live Oak Place #109 >Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33324 >nealism@a... > >Is there is anyone reading this that can get through to Neal and get him to >send my CD's back, I will cheerfully write a retraction to this mailing >list. > >Kevin > Hi, I have traded with Neal. I think he is honest....just a bit disorganized. He's had some family problems recently, too. I would hope you would just be persistent in trying to contact him. Maybe I'm just a 'softie' but I think he is actually an 'OK' guy. Just my opinion. John Poer From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: Sean Montgomery It would be interesting to know how many on the list have only been aware of > Td for say one year , and how many like myself have been listening to them > for ever. I've been listening since I heard 'Love on a Real Train', sometime in 1984 or 1985. My first purchases were Underwater Sunlight and Dream Sequence, in 1986. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: John Gentile > It would be interesting to know how many on the list have only been aware of > Td for say one year , and how many like myself have been listening to them > for ever. I've been listening since I heard 'Love on a Real Train', sometime in 1984 or 1985. My first purchases were Underwater Sunlight and Dream Sequence, in 1986. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com From: 'Dale' To: TD EMAIL Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW INTEREST. >From: Sean Montgomery > > > >> It would be interesting to know how many on the list have only been aware of >> Td for say one year , and how many like myself have been listening to them >> for ever. > >I've been listening since I heard 'Love on a Real Train', sometime in >1984 or 1985. My first purchases were Underwater Sunlight and Dream >Sequence, in 1986. > > > >SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'Ken Mitchell' >Those who accuse the doubters of failing to respect TD's desire to change > >have missed a point: with only a few exceptions, THEY AREN'T CHANGING. > >Most every album of the 90s (and there have been MANY of them) brings the > >same harpsichordy sounds, the same breathy choral sounds, the same blah > >drums, the same snoozy melodies. It's only when they've gone out on a > >limb and *actually tried something different* that I've been interested > >(Dream Mixes, parts of Oasis). It's not a question of being innovative, > >necessarily. I don't expect them to recreate the wheel. It's just that > >the kind of music I tend to like sounds inspired; music made by musicians > >having fun. > >He's right. TD have been static for a decade! We, as TD fans, are falling >for our own propaganda when we say TD is an evolving band, unlike the >mainstream. There's much more innovation in the pop charts than there is in >th TD camp. We may not like 'drum and bass' or hard core industrial music >or whatever, but it's dynamic when compared to TDs output! There are >tracks >that show a bit of the 'Let there be More Light' attitude that TD once had, >but an early 90's TD CD and a late 90's TD CD are almost the same and could >be played back to back without anyone noticing. > >I listened to Transiberia again this am whilst getting ready for work. >There was a track, 'The Golden Horn', which sounds exactly like one of >their >early 90's tracks (around the Melrose era but I'm not sure which). Proof >by >example that they're rehashing older 90's material. > >I stand by my previous posting. Mars Polaris is TDs last chance in my >book. >If it's all ten year old synth string pads and dance music drum beats, and >non-existant melodies then I'll wash my hands of TD, and devote my time, >and >money, to artists who are genuinely shifting the musical paradigm. > >Please let me be wrong! > I'm afraid your friend will be dissapointed the harpsichordy sound is in plentiful supply on Mars Polaris. And whilst the music is IMO good melodic synth there is nothing 'cuting edge' (that phrase again) about it. Yes Jared I agree most electronic/dance/ambient owes it's roots to TD but what I, and I belive a lot of other devotees can't understand is why there is no new sounds from the band. Maybe keyboard technology has topped out and there just isn't the sonic scope any more ? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17165 Re: Cat Amongst The Pigeons Gabe Yedid Fri 7/9/1999 3 KB From: Gabe Yedid From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > It would be interesting to know how many on the list have only been aware of > Td for say one year , and how many like myself have been listening to them > for ever. I only really became a fan in late '92, after I bought _Phaedra_ and joined the UWP list shortly after. I first heard a TD piece in 1983, though, when I was 8--it was 'Dr. Destructo' from _Thief_, though I didn't know it was TD at the time. > The Preacher. Gabe From: Gabe Yedid >He's right. TD have been static for a decade! We, as TD fans, are falling > >for our own propaganda when we say TD is an evolving band, unlike the I wouldn't say that's quite true. They moved from a rhythmic rock-based style to a more groove-oriented style. ;) > >There was a track, 'The Golden Horn', which sounds exactly like one of > >their > >early 90's tracks (around the Melrose era but I'm not sure which). Proof > >by > >example that they're rehashing older 90's material. It's actually 'Turning Off The Wheel' from _Optical Race_. > I'm afraid your friend will be dissapointed the harpsichordy sound > is in plentiful supply on Mars Polaris. And whilst the music is IMO > good melodic synth there is nothing 'cuting edge' (that phrase again) > about it. Yes Jared I agree most electronic/dance/ambient owes it's > roots to TD but what I, and I belive a lot of other devotees can't > understand is why there is no new sounds from the band. Maybe keyboard > technology has topped out and there just isn't the sonic scope any more ? I wouldn't say the technology has topped out, just that the band is not exploring all the options there are. Physical modelling offers huge potential for sound creation, especially now that PM synths exist in software and can be created almost on-the-fly (I read this in a old issue of Keyboard a couple of years back), but TD doesn't seem to have latched on to this. Their acquisition of a Korg Z1 is a step in the right direction, since it offers all the advantages and flexibility of a digital synth with the playability of an old-style analogue synth--they just need to spend more time with it, seeing how far they can push what it offers. Again, whether or not they'll do this remains to be seen. Gabe From: rhelliwell@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Fri Jul 9, 1999 8:30 am Subject: Re: NEW INTEREST. Hello, Well I'll take this opportunity to surface from 'lurk' mode... I agree with you that TD should have concentrated more on 'dance' music. They would have a far greater audience if they had. I too have friends who have never heard of TD, yet like the stuff I play for them. (Yes, I make them suffer :-]) And, when you're at your local record store, notice how TD is located in the 'New Age' section? Along with John Tesh and all the other crap. Why can't they make it to the 'Pop' section (or at least the Dance section) like Enya and Enigma? I personally have known about TD since the late 70's, and began seriously buying their CD's in 1988 when I bought Tangram and loved it. Roger On Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:04:44 +0100, 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' wrote: >It would be interesting to know how many on the list have only been aware of >Td for say one year , and how many like myself have been listening to them >for ever. >JUST A THOUGHT > >The Preacher. From: 'joe shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: PNaunton@a... [mailto:PNaunton@a...] ... > < > << I mean what's up with Ambient Monkeys? Some of the music is > good, but the > jungle noise gets annoying after awhile. I almost dislike it as much as > Flashpoint or Near Dark (UGH!). & AQUA >> > > Always the one to disagree, I will agree that Ambient > Monkeys is > not to my taste, I really like Near Dark, Flash Point and Aqua. I > disagree > that there is a commonality here. Ambient Monkeys is AMBIENT. None of the From: 'Wlodek Bag' From: 'joe shoults' -----Original Message----- From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > It would be interesting to know how many on the list have only > been aware of Td for say one year , and how many like myself > have been listening to them for ever. > From: 'Jared White' -----Original Message----- > From: Carl & Jacqui Kearney > [mailto:Carl-Jacqui@k...] > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 3:05 PM > To: TD EMAIL > Subject: [tadream] NEW INTEREST. > > > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > It would be interesting to know how many on the list have only > been aware of > Td for say one year , and how many like myself have been listening to them > for ever. > JUST A THOUGHT > > The Preacher. From: 'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Well guys while we are in the slagging off mood I'll add my two peneth. I > dislike Aqua with a passion IMHO its kak, If you want it I have it I'll even > post it free of charge, Better than using it as a coaster anyhow. > > The non repentant sinner The Preacher. From: 'Andrew J. Rozsa' From: 'Plumer, Scott' > > >>Well, Scott, 'Return to the Center of the Earth' (affectionately known as >>RTTCOTE by ProgRock fans), the new CD that came out a few months ago, >>maybe considered 'sacred,' but only by some truly devout fans. ;-) > >I saw him on the 700 Club, the show hosted by Pat Robertson. They talked >about how he had been a hard-partying rock & roller, then he saw the light. You are right, Scott, about Rick becoming a devout spiritual person, but he certainly does not ONLY write sacred music. Which was my original point. A biography can be found at his official Web site, for those who might be interested: http://www.rwcc.com/rwcc/code/biogra.htm Andrew From: Mats Nordlinder From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > > It would be interesting to know how many on the list have only been aware of > Td for say one year , and how many like myself have been listening to them > for ever. Started in 1982 with 'White Eagle' and then it just went on and on and on and on............................ mats, Sverige (Sweden in Swedish, get it ?) From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: Mats Nordlinder From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'j.gordon' From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Fri Jul 9, 1999 9:35 am Subject: Re: NEW INTEREST I became a fan of Klaus Schulze when I listen to TIMEWIND when it was released.. i was knock out. had to know everything about him, then i heard that he was a member of TD , Encore was just released, I bought it, since then I was also TD fan. Over the years I am still addicted to them. STILL DREAMING Bert From: Derk Date: Fri Jul 9, 1999 11:33 am Subject: Remasters Hi all, I just received a couple of TD discs (Underwater Sunlight, Livemiles & Le Parc) in the mail and I must say that Castle really did a fine job of these releases. I like how they have a story particular to each album in the CD booklet, and how the writer of those stories seems to really know what he's talking about. Virgin, on the other hand, really botched their remaster project IMO: the information given in the booklets is very inconsistent (track times/no track times, year of release/no year of release, etc.) and often just completely wrong! I can't help wondering that if they would have brought a TD fan in for ten minutes to review the discs he/she would have spotted the errors immediately and they could have been corrected. Oh well, this just shows that the big companies have no heart for the music they have in their catalogue. Still, it irritates the hell out of me. BTW, I have a question about the tracklisting of Tangents. It says 'Logos blue part' and 'Logos red part'. Do these refer to Logos part one and Logos part two (on the original vinyl version)? Or do they refer to smaller parts of Logos? Why can't I find out for myself? Well, I'm one of those poor souls without a copy of Tangents. I'm sure there must be some copies floating around so if anyone has a lead, I'd be very much obliged!! Derk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17181 Re: Remasters Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Fri 7/9/1999 2 KB 17183 Re: Remasters Heiko Heerßen Fri 7/9/1999 3 KB 17187 Re: Remasters TJames0001@xxx.xxx Fri 7/9/1999 1 KB 17190 Re: Remasters Joe Shoults Fri 7/9/1999 1 KB 17194 Re: Remasters Christopher Robbin Sat 7/10/1999 2 KB 17196 Re: Remasters PNaunton@xxx.xxx Sun 7/11/1999 1 KB From: Stephen Yensen From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: Derk >BTW, I have a question about the tracklisting of Tangents. It says 'Logos >blue part' and 'Logos red part'. Do these refer to Logos part one and Logos >part two (on the original vinyl version)? Or do they refer to smaller parts >of Logos? These names relate to smaller segments of the Logos track. The same logic applies to quite a few of the longer pieces which have been chopped for Tangents (Tangram, Rubycon, Mojave Plan, for example). >Why can't I find out for myself? Well, I'm one of those poor souls without >a copy of Tangents. I'm sure there must be some copies floating around so >if anyone has a lead, I'd be very much obliged!! There was a copy in a shop not far from where I live. I saw it a month or so ago. Being British, the cost is pretty steep (i.e. around £55 to £60) but if you can't find it anywhere else let me know. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcelo Gutierrez OK Gang, I got a question, I would like to try to find the CD Edgare Foese > 74-79. Can anyone tell me if this is gonna be like my ongoing search for > 'The Keep'? :( > > Still 'Keep'less, > > siberkat > > AFAIK that album has never been released on CD format, I myself got a vinyl copy of it a few weeks ago and only paid $4.0 for it. Marcelo From: 'Heiko Heerßen' From: Derk > > Hi all, > ....Virgin, on the other hand, really botched their remaster > project IMO: the information given in the booklets is very inconsistent > (track times/no track times, year of release/no year of release, etc.) and > often just completely wrong! I can't help wondering that if they would have > brought a TD fan in for ten minutes to review the discs he/she would have > spotted the errors immediately and they could have been corrected. Oh well, > this just shows that the big companies have no heart for the music they > have in their catalogue. Still, it irritates the hell out of me. Exactly, Derk! It was really funny to find out that Exit or Thief were live albums...or that Peter Baumann played on Tangram...or was it Peter Bauman? I really like those Castle re-issues with the liner notes from Julian Cope which were taken from his book 'Krautrocksampler' (a great, funny to read book about the whole Krautrock scene in Germany). The sound is superior to the older versions and they feature the original covers. Did anybody out there noticed the bad sound quality of those Virgin re-issues Derk has mentioned? For example, Tangram and especially Logos sound far better on the old Virgin releases (those with the CDV catalogue numbers from the mid 80's). They really didn't make a good job. > ...Why can't I find out for myself? Well, I'm one of those poor souls without > a copy of Tangents. I'm sure there must be some copies floating around so > if anyone has a lead, I'd be very much obliged!! I asked the same question about 2 or 3 months ago and got several replies. I'm about to receive a copy from a member of this (or was it the other Dinosaur list ;-) mailing list. But don't try to order it from some mailorder company on the net. They all claim to have a copy in stock ...and after 2 months they give up and say that it's out of stock. Heiko, D-Land From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Fri Jul 9, 1999 12:49 pm Subject: Re: NEW INTEREST You wrote > From: Stephen Yensen > > > > I have been a faithful follower of TD ever since, and apart from a hiccup > when I bought ROCKOON (what the @#$%'s this?) I recovered my composure > enough to get most of those that followed... > > My point of interrest faded away with optical race, after this album it was difficult to get new TD albums, until Rockoon, It shakes me, it was heavier then what I know , I still like it. It refressed me. But that could be just my age ;-) at that time I was more rock orientated. Optical Race is still TD weakest album IMHO My favorits are : Pheadra. Rubicon, Encore, Zeit , What a Blast, Live Miles and Poland Greetings Bert From: Mats Nordlinder Optical Race is still TD weakest album IMHO > You´re right, but I would add 'Lily on the Beach' to, but they were back on track again with 'Melrose'. Mats, lover of Spaghetti-Westerns From: 'Alan Benson' It would be interesting to know how many on the list have only been aware > of Td for say one year, and how many like myself have been listening to > them for ever. > JUST A THOUGHT > The Preacher. Hi Carl (and everyone else!), Being somewhat of a pack rat (an understatement), I somehow managed to keep all my old receipts for my fist TD purchases (back in March of 1987). The first CD purchased was 'The Photographer' music by Philip Glass (still follow him to this day). However, this is the 'Tangerine Dream OneList Digest' and after purchasing TD's 'Risky Business' -- I simply went on an eternal quest to devour literally everything that I could lay my hands on. Now, some fourteen years later and with over 1,000 pieces of TD in my collection this is how I began (yes, I still have the original 3 x 5 index card listing the first seventeen CDs below): 1) 'Risky Business' (03/13/87) Tower Records. 2) 'Force Majeure' (03/15/87) Leopolds Records. 3) 'Underwater Sunlight' (04/20/87) Tower Records. 4) 'Stratosfear' (04/25/87) Tower Records. 5) 'Thief' (05/01/87) North Side Records. 6) 'Green Desert' (05/12/87) Tower Records. 7) 'The Collection' (05/21/87) Tower Records. 8) 'Le Parc' (06/05/87) Rasputin Records. 9) 'White Eagle' (06/05/87) Rasputin Records. 10) 'Dream Sequence' (06/06/87) Rasputin Records. 11) 'Logos Live' ((06/11/87) Rasputin Records. 12) 'Hyperborea' (06/11/97) Rasputin Records. 13) 'Encore' (06/11/87)The Wherehouse. 14) 'Tangram' (06/13/87) Rasputin Records. 15) 'Phaedra' (06/13/87) Rasputin Records. 16) 'Ricochet' (06/13/87) Rasputin Records 17) 'Rubycon' (06/13/87) The Wherehouse. 18) 'Exit' (07/03/87) Tower Records. with much more to follow... (he-he!). One last thing, the ICQ is a great little program. I've had the pleasure to talk with many of the subscribers of all the various TD list using this interface. As a matter of fact, Carl and I talk all the time! Many thanks to Simon Clarke (for getting me to download the program) and Jeff Stevenson (who took me through my first baby steps in setting up a chat module). There are some mornings that it just wouldn't be the same without a fresh 'Good Morning!' to and from our fearless leader: Joe Shoults. Best Regards, Alan Benson TD Diehard Berkeley, CA / USA ICQ# 38105655 (aka: Malthrope). ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From: TJames0001@xxx.xxx Date: Fri Jul 9, 1999 1:26 pm Subject: Re: Remasters Hi, I have unopened copies on cassette or Cd. Let me know if you are interested. Tom James From: Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx Date: Fri Jul 9, 1999 1:28 pm Subject: Re: NEW INTEREST Hey Mats, Strange but that was my feeling too, but it took a little time for me to get Melrose ( the distribution of TD was bad) . Once I had that album I was back on the track, since then never lost contact with TD's music. Bert, also a lover of Spaghetti ;-) > ---------- > From: Mats Nordlinder[SMTP:mats.nordlinder@e...] > Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 15:14 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] NEW INTEREST > > From: Mats Nordlinder > > > > Bert.Hulshoff@N... wrote: > > > Optical Race is still TD weakest album IMHO > > > > You´re right, but I would add 'Lily on the Beach' to, but they were back > on track again with 'Melrose'. > > Mats, lover of Spaghetti-Westerns > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Campaign 2000 is here! > http://www.onelist.com > Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. See our homepage. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original > messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerßen ... > I really like those Castle re-issues with the liner notes from > Julian Cope which were taken from his book 'Krautrocksampler' (a > great, funny to read book about the whole > Krautrock scene in Germany). From: Bennett Cookson From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Friday, 9 July 1999 11:33 Subject: [tadream] Remasters > From: Derk > > Hi all, > > I just received a couple of TD discs (Underwater Sunlight, Livemiles & Le > Parc) in the mail and I must say that Castle really did a fine job of these > releases. I like how they have a story particular to each album in the CD > booklet, and how the writer of those stories seems to really know what he's > talking about. Virgin, on the other hand, really botched their remaster > project IMO: the information given in the booklets is very inconsistent > (track times/no track times, year of release/no year of release, etc.) and > often just completely wrong! I can't help wondering that if they would have > brought a TD fan in for ten minutes to review the discs he/she would have > spotted the errors immediately and they could have been corrected. Oh well, > this just shows that the big companies have no heart for the music they > have in their catalogue. Still, it irritates the hell out of me. > > BTW, I have a question about the tracklisting of Tangents. It says 'Logos > blue part' and 'Logos red part'. Do these refer to Logos part one and Logos > part two (on the original vinyl version)? Or do they refer to smaller parts > of Logos? > Why can't I find out for myself? Well, I'm one of those poor souls without > a copy of Tangents. I'm sure there must be some copies floating around so > if anyone has a lead, I'd be very much obliged!! > > Derk > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Congratulations KNICKS@O... Our latest ONElist of the week. > http://www.onelist.com > How is ONElist changing YOUR life? Visit our homepage and let us know! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: Christopher Robbin From: Derk But don't try to order it from some mailorder company on the net. They all claim to have a copy in stock ...and after 2 months they give up and say that it's out of stock. Yep, in my continuing sojourn through all online CD shops looking for Tangents I've come to develop a very big dislike for the phrase 'on back order' ;-) Derk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17197 Re: Tangents JMPoer Sun 7/11/1999 2 KB 18313 Tangents Olle.Rundgren@xxx.xx Mon 10/11/1999 1 KB 18315 Re: Tangents Heiko Heerßen Mon 10/11/1999 2 KB 18336 Re: Tangents James Horecka, AIA Tue 10/12/1999 1 KB From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Sun Jul 11, 1999 1:08 am Subject: Re: Remasters In a message dated 09-07-1999 7:24:05 AM EST, harlequin@d... writes: << about the tracklisting of Tangents. It says 'Logos blue part' and 'Logos red part'. Do these refer to Logos part one and Logos part two (on the original vinyl version)? Or do they refer to smaller parts of Logos? >> On my LP the labels on each side are Green and Red respectively. Logos I is on the Green side and Logos II and Dominion are on the Red side. This is Virgin V2257 from 1982. Phil N. From: JMPoer From: Derk > >Heiko wrote: >>But don't try to order it from some mailorder company on the net. They all >claim to have a copy in stock ...and after 2 months they give up and say >that it's out of stock. > >Yep, in my continuing sojourn through all online CD shops looking for >Tangents I've come to develop a very big dislike for the phrase 'on back >order' ;-) > >Derk > FYI, I have a duplicate, unopened, copy of Tangents for which I paid $65.00. I know that it is offered lots of places for less, but I HAVE THE SET HERE IN MY HAND. I will sell it for what it cost me ( the price tag is still on it), plus what ever shipping costs to where ever. It is NOT the best price you'll find, but it's NOT on backorder. John M. Poer jp 'I may be old, but I know what I like!' From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Mon Jul 12, 1999 2:40 pm Subject: Missing Monkeys... In one of my 'What-the-hey' moods, I decided to purchase the re-release of AMBIENT MONKEYS. Having really enjoyed the original release, my only gripe was that it wasn't indexed, and it's a real pain having to hold down the Reverse button to replay a section if my listening gets interrupted with a phone call or holding down the Forward if I fall asleep during a listen and don't want to replay the first 20 minutes. After listening to my new purchase all the way through, I felt as though something wasn't right. Maybe it was the weather, I thought to myself. After a second listen, I still couldn't put my finger on it. Well, last night I had a dream (what can it mean? -- sorry) that I was getting married. And the music for the groom's procession was Handel's 'Largo'. After all the groomsmen had reached the platform, my best man turned to me and said, 'This song wasn't on that album...' (The dream didn't last long enough for me to see the Bride -- oh well, she would've been in Cold Tears, I'm sure.) After waking up this morning, I pulled out both copies of AM to find out that, yes indeed, 'Largo' is not present on the new pressing. I wonder why it was removed, and more importantly, does this make the original a collectors item? Later! - jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 'The Internet! Is that thing still around?' -- Homer Simpson jimbo@v... Jim Moore, Atlanta, GA Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17200 Re: Missing Monkeys... Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Mon 7/12/1999 2 KB 17201 Re: Missing Monkeys... PNaunton@xxx.xxx Mon 7/12/1999 1 KB 17203 Re: Missing Monkeys... Joe Shoults Mon 7/12/1999 1 KB 17204 Re: Missing Monkeys... Jim Moore Mon 7/12/1999 1 KB 17205 Re: Missing Monkeys... Michael A Jean Mon 7/12/1999 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: 'Jim Moore' > >After waking up this morning, I pulled out both copies of AM to find out >that, yes >indeed, 'Largo' is not present on the new pressing. I wonder why it was >removed, >and more importantly, does this make the original a collectors item? So, is there a book running for how long before the 'original' music in the 'new' artwork is released? Hopefully my 'original' is worth a little more with the signiatures of Ed, Jerome and Emil (Z-man was a bit spritely on hs feet, that night). NP : Kamikaze 1989 -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Mon Jul 12, 1999 3:36 pm Subject: Re: Missing Monkeys... In a message dated 12-07-1999 9:36:45 AM EST, jimbo@v... writes: << After waking up this morning, I pulled out both copies of AM to find out that, yes indeed, 'Largo' is not present on the new pressing. I wonder why it was removed, and more importantly, does this make the original a collectors item? Later! - jim >> Perhaps Linda revoked her copyright. There were also a number of other people (groups like DCD) who did variations on the Largo at about the same time. Maybe the lawyers are having a field day. Phil N. From: Marcelo Gutierrez > My one gripe about this is that my CD from Varase has such a hiss on it > that it sounds like a tape recording. Does everyone have this issue with > their copy? > I have the same problem, but I think it comes from the master tape handed over by TD, because I have the original vinyl version of the soundtrack and it has a lot of hiss as well, I bought the CD thinking that that problem would have been solved it it was not. Bye Marcelo From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Moore > In one of my 'What-the-hey' moods, I decided to purchase the re-release > of AMBIENT MONKEYS. Having really enjoyed the original release, my > only gripe was that it wasn't indexed, and it's a real pain having to hold > down the Reverse button to replay a section if my listening gets ... From: 'Jim Moore' If you are talking about on a home system, I can sympathize. If you are > talking about on your PC, use WinAmp. It has a slider bar that allows you > to instantly move to any point in a song- even if it is over 48 minutes > long. No, this is a home system -- I'm usually listening to it in bed before I fall asleep, and I've heard the first half many more times than I've heard the second half... - jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 'The Internet! Is that thing still around?' -- Homer Simpson jimbo@v... Jim Moore, Atlanta, GA Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net From: Michael A Jean From: PNaunton@a... > > In a message dated 12-07-1999 9:36:45 AM EST, jimbo@v... writes: > > << After waking up this morning, I pulled out both copies of AM to find out > that, yes > indeed, 'Largo' is not present on the new pressing. I wonder why it was > removed, > and more importantly, does this make the original a collectors item? > > Later! > > - jim >> > Perhaps Linda revoked her copyright. There were also a number of > other people (groups like DCD) who did variations on the Largo at about the > same time. Maybe the lawyers are having a field day. > > Phil N. > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > From: patricdonaghy@w... (Patric Donaghy) Date: Mon Jul 12, 1999 9:34 pm Subject: Re: TD sales list send me your lists please....thanks. Patric Donaghy Printing Impressions From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Jul 13, 1999 9:25 am Subject: Unsubscribe from the list for a short period. I am going away on holiday for a fortnight or so, leaving tomorrow morning, and would like to unsubscribe from the above list until I return. I will then resubscribe. Thank you, John Marchington. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17208 Re: Unsubscribe from the list for a short period. Joe Shoults Tue 7/13/1999 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' -----Original Message----- > From: John Marchington [mailto:johnm@p...] > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 5:26 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Unsubscribe from the list for a short period. > > > From: 'John Marchington' > > I am going away on holiday for a fortnight or so, leaving > tomorrow morning, and would like to unsubscribe from the above > list until I return. > > I will then resubscribe. > > Thank you, > John Marchington. > > > [Attachments have been removed from this message] > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Campaign 2000 is here! > http://www.onelist.com > Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. See our homepage. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing > original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank > e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed Jul 14, 1999 2:08 pm Subject: Re: RE: Ozric Tentacles Live on the East Coast Here's hoping I beat Vic to the punch: heh heh! I saw this group last night live in Atlanta, and it was one of the most incredible concerts I've been to this decade! (Just for the record, I haven't seen TD since 1988.) The venue was the Variety Playhouse, which is actually a medium sized hall (I think it's a converted theater), so the place was packed. Vic and I arrived early and sat through the opening act (interesting, to say the least). But when OT came out, we left our chairs behind and stood in 'the pit' (for lack of a better term) and did not sit down for the rest of the night (which was about 3 hours!). I'm fairly new to OT and have heard only a couple of their songs in passing, I really wasn't sure what to expect -- maybe some ambient sequencing and cool guitar strumming. WRONG! This band ROCKED! This band FLEW! This band went EVERYWHERE! I like to think that I'm normally rather reserved, but I ended up cutting loose more than a lot of people ten years less my age. I wish I could name a few more of the songs they played, but (1) the flutist was often drowned out by the crowd and (2) I don't remember. A few were from the latest CD, having bought a copy myself on the way out (Waterfall City, Sultanna Detrii, etc.). There was a LOT more guitar in the performance than I can hear on the CD, though. One idea that kept returning to me throughout the concert was wanting to be able to compare this concert to a performance of TD around the time of ELECTRONIC MEDITATION. Of course OT has more technology at their fingertips than the early TD, but the attitude and style of the music (as well as the performance) would be similar, wouldn't you think? There was plenty of TD influence present in music to kind of support that claim. After a 2.5 hour session with no breaks, the band turned around and gave an incredible encore that lasted at least another half hour. For $15, I got much more than my money's worth. Also, it appeared that the concert was being professionally recorded (or else those bootleggers had some very large balls) for both an audio and video release. They're touring their way to LA via Chicago and St. Louis, so if you have a chance to catch them, I'm imploring you to do so! Now back to the Dream at hand... - jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 'The Internet! Is that thing still around?' -- Homer Simpson jimbo@v... Jim Moore, Atlanta, GA Home Page: http://www.jimbo.vivid.net From: 'Thomas' From: 'Jim Moore' > >Listening to this one this weekend, too, during a rainstorm. I don't think I ever really realized just how mellow this album really is, considering the movie subject. Even 'Burning Force', the most forceful song on the album, IMO, isn't as edged as say THE PARK IS MINE or THIEF. > >My one gripe about this is that my CD from Varase has such a hiss on it that it sounds like a tape recording. Does everyone have this issue with their copy? The music on 'Firestarter' is pretty poorly recorded from the beginning. I have both the original vinyl release from MCA, and also a later CD release from MCA. They both also suffer from the same problem. But nontheless it is a great album, so I kind of forget about the sound quality when I listen to it. Thomas Bertilsson From: 'Thomas' From: Derk > >Virgin, on the other hand, really botched their remaster project IMO: the information given in the booklets is very inconsistent (track times/no track times, year of release/no year of release, etc.) and often just completely wrong! I can't help wondering that if they would have brought a TD fan in for ten minutes to review the discs he/she would have spotted the errors immediately and they could have been corrected. Oh well, this just shows that the big companies have no heart for the music they have in their catalogue. Still, it irritates the hell out of me.< YES! Couldn't agree with you more. I was one of the unfortunate ones who sold all my 'original' CD releases and went for the remasters. Not only have they made many mistakes on the covers, but the sound is so much worse too. I'm a vinyl collector, and IMO the old vinyl originals sound far better than any other release out there (with the right equipment of course). So now that I've gotten hold of all the Virgin original vinyls I've sold off the SBM CDs. Thomas Bertilsson From: Christopher Robbin From: 'De Kruis, Hans H SNV-MCF/9' ---------- > From: firewalker[SMTP:rangers@t...] > Sent: vrijdag 18 juni 1999 3:57 > To: de Kruis, Hans SNV-MCF/9 > Subject: Kitaro fan club > > The Kitaro fan club has started. > Please go to > http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Kitaro-fanclub > Click on 'subscribe to the list'. > If you haven't used onelist before, you have to register first. > You can find this option to register. After finishing all the data > , you will have to check your email again to reply the > confirmation mail. There are 2 ways to confirm, you can just > reply the email you get, or, there will be an URL, go to the URL > then you will complete the registration in a second. After this, > you may go back to > http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Kitaro-fanclub > again and log in with your email and password. > Last time I registered, I didn't get the confirmation mail right > away. So maybe you should wait for a few hours or do it > tomorrow. > I just started the list. So let's wait for a few days for people to > register and subscibe. Then we  can start ! >   > Lilian Chiu, ICQ# 25574558, Yahoo-id lilian_chiu >  ------------------------------------------------------- >             KITARO'S MUSIC WORLD >   http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/eltonjohn/718/ >   >  Experience our world via Kitaro's music >  You will see the beautiful side of it > > > regards/groetjes Hans de Kruis MCF/9 Shell Nederland Verkoopmaatschappij BV > *: 31 (0)10-4696194 fax 31 (0)10-4697526 > *: (business) HANS.H.DEKRUIS@O... From: Derk From: Gabe Yedid From: Derk > > Hi all, > > Over the last months I've been retracing TD's history by buying their > albums almost chronologically. I have now arrived at the key year 1988: > Franke has left the band. So, where do I go from here? I've read a lot of > comments about nineties TD on the list but I've discovered no clear > favourites. With which Franke-less Tangerine Dream album should someone > whose favourite TD albums are Tangram, Logos and Underwater Sunlight start? > > Looking forward to your suggestions, > Derk You will probably be most pleased with: Mars Polaris Oasis (better with the video, if you can find it) 220 Volt Live Dream Mixes I I also think _Melrose_ is the best of TD's post-Franke albums, but that's just me...(or is it?)...can't guarantee satisfaction you know. Gabe From: Sean Montgomery Over the last months I've been retracing TD's history by buying their > albums almost chronologically. I have now arrived at the key year 1988: > Franke has left the band. So, where do I go from here? Do you have Canyon Dreams? That was released in 1991 but was recorded when Franke was still with the band. And I'd sure start there. Other than that...I'd suggest Dream Mixes, Miracle Mile, and maybe 220 Volt. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Sean Montgomery From: 'Wlodek Bag' From: James Joystick From: 'Jared White' -----Original Message----- > From: Derk [mailto:harlequin@d...] > Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 1:52 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Album advice needed > > > From: Derk > > Hi all, > > Over the last months I've been retracing TD's history by buying their > albums almost chronologically. I have now arrived at the key year 1988: > Franke has left the band. So, where do I go from here? I've read a lot of > comments about nineties TD on the list but I've discovered no clear > favourites. With which Franke-less Tangerine Dream album should someone > whose favourite TD albums are Tangram, Logos and Underwater > Sunlight start? > > Looking forward to your suggestions, > Derk > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Show your ONElist SPIRIT! > http://www.onelist.com > With a new ONElist SHIRT available through our website. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing > original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank > e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > From: 'Dale' To: tadream@o... Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 8:52 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Album advice needed >From: 'Jared White' > >Hi, Derk, > >My recommendations would be Turn of the Tides for starters. It may shock you >at first, but if you really let go of your presuppositions, and take it for >what it is, you may find you enjoy it tremendously. I think it's one of the >best TD albums of the nineties, and it's certainly the strongest (in terms >of execution of concepts, togetherness, etc.). Next, you might want to go >whole hog here and try Goblin's Club. It seems to be one of the most >controversial albums of the 90's, with people either loving it or hating it. >Who knows, you just might like it. Tyranny of Beauty is a good album, but it >can take a while to get used to it. Beyond that, I either haven't listed to >it or I wouldn't know if you'd like it or not! ;) > >Hope that helps, > >Jared > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Derk [mailto:harlequin@d...] >> Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 1:52 PM >> To: tadream@o... >> Subject: [tadream] Album advice needed >> >> >> From: Derk >> From: PNaunton@xxx.xxx Date: Sat Jul 17, 1999 4:53 am Subject: Re: Odp: Album advice needed In a message dated 16-07-1999 7:45:33 PM EST, bag@k... writes: << In my opinion Dream Mixes is the worst album of TD. >> Does this mean that, by association, Dream Mixes 2 is not? In any case I disagree. There is at least fifteen or twenty seconds of high art in each release. At one dollar per second, which is what I invested here ($40.00 total) this is the most valuable TD quality/quantity/expense ratio that I own. In the future this curiosity could be worth millions. Then there is the expanded version of Dream Mixes, which I somehow I walked into with outlandish neophyte innocence. Go figure. Phil Naunton From: tomm@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Sat Jul 17, 1999 11:13 am Subject: Re: Odp: Album advice needed >In my opinion Dream Mixes is the worst album of TD. > >Bag I think this simply points out the vast diversity of the td fan. DM is the most often listened to recent td album in my collection. I grew up on disco and the dance mixes of the eighties but the tangerine dream sound also impressed me very much. I just knew that someday, somehow, the two musical sounds would combine - either by another band or td itself. So, yeah, I was thrilled when the 'techno' movement came along and because of that I moved away from td. By 1990 td became boring to me (although Melrose was a rare exception at this time). I had lost interest and moved on to other bands like Orbital and 808 State. I was even more disappointed when I learned that td was not interested in dabbling in any techno-related rhythms. Then I picked up the Rockoon cd single and Oriental Haze was on it. If this was the future of td, I definitely liked what I heard. And this new sound was confirmed when Dream Mixes appeared. So I guess that DM has a lot to do with me being a 'born-again' td fan. Now I'm back and I'm here to stay! :) Tom From: tomm@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Sat Jul 17, 1999 11:17 am Subject: Re: Album advice needed Peter is also credited with producing Yanni as well. Well, Private was Pete's label. I guess he was entitled to some creative control. Tom >Well if you follow history why not also take some side trips, one such trip >would be Patrick O'Hearn his tow that I have and I don't know if he has more >at this time, is Indigo and Ancient Dreams. One of the liner notes says his >producer was Peter Baumann (1985) on Ancient Dreams and Indigo has full >producer credit to Peter (1991). I am sure there are other side trips as >well. > >Dale From: Derk wrote: >> Over the last months I've been retracing TD's history by buying their >> albums almost chronologically. I have now arrived at the key year 1988: >> Franke has left the band. So, where do I go from here? > >Do you have Canyon Dreams? That was released in 1991 but was recorded >when Franke was still with the band. And I'd sure start there. Other >than that...I'd suggest Dream Mixes, Miracle Mile, and maybe 220 Volt. I do have Canyon Dreams, because I discovered that Franke was still in the band when it was written, so it doesn't really count ;-) All of you, thanks for your suggestions. I think I'm going to have a listen to Mars Polaris, Oasis, 220 volts, and Turn of the tides first. After that, we'll see. Derk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17227 Re: Album Advice Needed j.gordon Sun 7/18/1999 1 KB From: 'Ray' From: 'j.gordon' From: 'Michael A. Jean' From: 'Michael A. Jean' > Due to this, Zlatko is an extremely busy man these days. > Hi Martin ! > Thanks for this info, because I'll see Gölä on 27.06. at our Zeltfestival > in Konstanz. Good to get this news ! I'll try to talk to him if possible. > Maybe he'll sign a TD live CD for me ;_) > > Rainer > - - - - - From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Jul 19, 1999 5:37 pm Subject: Dream Mixes the Worst Ever??? > >In my opinion Dream Mixes is the worst album of TD. Indeed, this *does* point to the diversity of TD fan opinion. Are you just including studio albums in that assessment? Even if you don't like dance beats, I think there are plenty of better candidates for worst-ever status. For me, Dream Mixes made TD music interesting again. I only started collecting TD music in 1986, and as I started going buying their older records, I was constantly impressed by the fact that I never knew what to expect. Every album brought new sounds, interesting new melodies and ideas. Then, in the 1990s, every album began to sound much like the last, and worse, I hadn't liked the last one. Now, I accept the fact that everyone's tastes change over time, but this isn't strictly about musical taste, and more about what I like music to do. I was attracted to TD in the beginning because their music was exciting, atmospheric, and unique. Those are not terms that I would apply to, say, Turn of the Tides ('Supertramp-like' perhaps). Dream Mixes was different, because it *was* different. It defied expectations, and took chances (when I first heard Vitually Fields, I thought: what the hell? This is from the same guys who did Tyranny of Beauty?) It brought structure back to their frequently meandering compositions, and made use of a wider pallette of sounds than they normally employ. I mean, for crying out loud...the possibilities for sound generation today are practically endless..why do they keep going back to the same ones? Now, DM is somewhat dance-oriented, so if you're not into rhythms that you can tap along with on your desktop or steering wheel, it might not be your thing. But it's pretty lightweight dance music, more like Robert Miles than Chemical Brothers. And there aren't enough people making that kind of 'lite' dance music, and I hope Jerome continues to explore it. DM2 was something of a disappointment, in that it lacked the urgency of the first disk and got meandering again. But Oasis was great, and What a Blast sounds promising. If what you really like is the *sound* of 70s and 80s TD, you won't find it on *any* of their recent albums. You'd be better off going to sound-alike bands. But if it's the *spirit* you're after, DM has some of that. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17233 Re: Dream Mixes the Worst Ever??? Jared White Mon 7/19/1999 4 KB 17234 Re: Dream Mixes the Worst Ever??? Michael A Jean Mon 7/19/1999 1 KB 17241 Re: Dream Mixes the Worst Ever??? Gabe Yedid Tue 7/20/1999 4 KB 17242 Re: Dream Mixes the Worst Ever??? Sean Montgomery Tue 7/20/1999 3 KB From: Derk j.gordon here... > >hey, man... a little late but maybe it's still worth the data compression it >cost someone else to transport... > >Mars Polaris is a good album, one of the best in a while, but if you've been >following a cronology, why stop... there's no reason to not pick up Optical >Race and then move on from there... ask yourself why you were doing the >time-track gig in the first place... the progression is still there, even >through the 90s... unless you don't plan on getting certain albums... then you >can just skip those... This may sound strange, but I'm a little afraid of what Tangerine Dream sounds like without Franke, since he was such an influential member and I like nearly all the albums he's on. There's absolutely no basis for my fear (like I said, I've never heard a note of TD music newer than 1987), but I think I don't want to run the risk of disappointment, which is why I'm asking for some 'sure bet' albums. Derk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17232 Re: TD in Chrono Sean Montgomery Mon 7/19/1999 1 KB 17238 Re: TD in Chrono Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Tue 7/20/1999 2 KB 17239 Re: TD in Chrono j.gordon Tue 7/20/1999 2 KB 17240 Re: TD in Chrono Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 Tue 7/20/1999 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery (like I said, I've never heard a note of TD music newer than 1987), but I > think I don't want to run the risk of disappointment, which is why I'm > asking for some 'sure bet' albums. Well then, you might want to consider the TDI compilations Atlantic Walls and Atlantic Bridges! They're pointless for those who already had albums from the 1988-1998 period, but they might be just the ticket in your case. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Jared White' -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@t...] > > > >In my opinion Dream Mixes is the worst album of TD. > > Indeed, this *does* point to the diversity of TD fan opinion. Are you > just including studio albums in that assessment? Even if you don't like > dance beats, I think there are plenty of better candidates for worst-ever > status. This is funny, because at first Dream Mixes really threw me off as well. I actually didn't get the CD, I got the DVD, and (sillly me) I was expecting live footage or something. When I popped it in my DVD-ROM drive, and started hearing dance beats and seeing strange music video-type stuff, I thought WHAT THE ?!@#$??? Then, after really settling down and listening through it, I decided I liked it. > For me, Dream Mixes made TD music interesting again. > I was attracted to TD in > the beginning because their music was exciting, atmospheric, and unique. > Those are not terms that I would apply to, say, Turn of the Tides > ('Supertramp-like' perhaps). Dream Mixes was different, because it *was* > different. It defied expectations, and took chances (when I first heard > Vitually Fields, I thought: what the hell? This is from the same guys > who did Tyranny of Beauty?) It brought structure back to their frequently > meandering compositions, and made use of a wider pallette of sounds than > they normally employ. I mean, for crying out loud...the possibilities for > sound generation today are practically endless..why do they keep going > back to the same ones? The sign of a good artist is what he DOESN'T use, not what he uses. I admire the fact that TD hasn't tried a bizillion new things just because it's cool. They do what works, not what's 'never been done before, heh heh!' > If what you really like is the *sound* of 70s and 80s TD, you won't find > it on *any* of their recent albums. You'd be better off going to > sound-alike bands. But if it's the *spirit* you're after, DM has some of > that. I would agree with that. DM certainly has more of a having fun, spontaneous feel than some of TD's studio album work this decade. I don't have DM2, but I heard a sound clip of the Towards the Evening Star mix at TD's Web site, and it sounds pretty crazy! Anyway, to whoever said they hated DM: lighten up. ;) If I had to name the worst TD album that I've come across, it would probably be Lily on the Beach (BTW, Rockoon is nowhere even close to being that mediocre!). DM is way above all that. Take care, Jared _____________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@s... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com iReview: http://www.gaeldesign.com/ireview The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks: http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: Michael A Jean From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' From: 'Wlodek Bag' From: tomm@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Tue Jul 20, 1999 1:29 am Subject: TD vinyl collection for sale or trade Just an FYI to those who are interested... I no longer have a need for my TD vinyl collection (which I have not listened to since 1988) so I'm looking for a new home for it. I'm looking for either a buyer or someone that is willing to trade for it. The items in the collection include the following: 'In the Beginning...' box set (w/ Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, Zeit, Atem and Green Desert) plus... Phaedra (US release) Phaedra (UK release) Rubycon Ricochet Sorcerer Stratosfear Cyclone Force Majeure Pergamon Tangram Thief Exit White Eagle Logo Live Hyperborea Poland (2 lp version) Wavelength Le Parc Underwater Sunlight Tyger and as a bonus... EF's Stuntman These albums were collected during 1986 and 1987 and are in excellent condition (each played about a dozen times tops). Best offer gets the lot. If you're interested please let me know privately. TTFN! Tom tomm@e... From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: Derk > >This may sound strange, but I'm a little afraid of what Tangerine Dream >sounds like without Franke, since he was such an influential member and I >like nearly all the albums he's on. There's absolutely no basis for my fear >(like I said, I've never heard a note of TD music newer than 1987), but I >think I don't want to run the risk of disappointment, which is why I'm >asking for some 'sure bet' albums. Wouldn't it be more fun to experience the way we did when Optical Race first came out? The 'What the f...?' kinda feeling. At least if you don't like OR or Lily on the Bach, you can look forward to such classics as ... uhm .... well you can look forward to some reasonably good albums such as Mars Polaris, Sohoman, Transibberia, etc. Also, may I be so bold as to ask how you know Franke was so influential when you haven't heard a non-Franke TD CD? -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'j.gordon' This may sound strange, but I'm a little afraid of what Tangerine Dream > sounds like without Franke, since he was such an influential member and I > like nearly all the albums he's on. There's absolutely no basis for my fear > (like I said, I've never heard a note of TD music newer than 1987), but I > think I don't want to run the risk of disappointment, which is why I'm > asking for some 'sure bet' albums. > > Derk j.gordon here... hey, derk understandable, understandable... but I've found that, like with Pink Floyd, the whole was greater than the sum of it's parts... on his own, Franke has not soared IMO the way he did with TD... and needless to say, if you've been reading the growing chasm between pre- and post- Franke TD, TD hasn't been the 'same' without him... and, to be honest, if you are looking for a 'Franke' sound, you won't find it anymore in TD (for good and bad), so any album you choose after Live Miles will be a risk... but, the agreements sits with the gentleman who suggested the Alantic disks... a good cross section of the period that will allow you to begin to buy albums based on certain songs that fit you tastes... but be warned... this can be just as disappointing if you like one tune and the others turn out to be exactly what you were trying to avoid in the first place... Good hunting... (and if you did have to jump around, Melrose is the ablum which is the 'first' album (meaning the first one chrolonogically) which doesn't receive too much critisicm...) j.gordon From: Craig Cordrey 01383 821921 From: Gabe Yedid From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > >In my opinion Dream Mixes is the worst album of TD. > > Indeed, this *does* point to the diversity of TD fan opinion. Are you > just including studio albums in that assessment? Even if you don't like > dance beats, I think there are plenty of better candidates for worst-ever > status. > > For me, Dream Mixes made TD music interesting again. I only started > collecting TD music in 1986, and as I started going buying their older > records, I was constantly impressed by the fact that I never knew what to > expect. Every album brought new sounds, interesting new melodies and > ideas. Then, in the 1990s, every album began to sound much like the last, > and worse, I hadn't liked the last one. Now, I accept the fact that > everyone's tastes change over time, but this isn't strictly about musical > taste, and more about what I like music to do. You don't think that counts as musical taste, Sean? ;) Doesn't everybody expect the music they like to do different things than another person might expect? I was attracted to TD in > the beginning because their music was exciting, atmospheric, and unique. > Those are not terms that I would apply to, say, Turn of the Tides > ('Supertramp-like' perhaps). Dream Mixes was different, because it *was* > different. It defied expectations, and took chances (when I first heard > Vitually Fields, I thought: what the hell? This is from the same guys > who did Tyranny of Beauty?) It brought structure back to their frequently heh, what I liked about it was what I thought was the relative *lack* of structure, compared to their previous albums, which I thought had gotten a little predictable in the way the compositions were structured. Yes, many of the pieces were made of short, often contrasting melodic sections, but they were woven together much more skillfully than similar attempts, like, say, 'Birdwatcher's Dream' from _ToB_. It gave the music a more open-ended, evolving, organic feeling, similar to 'Network 23' from _Exit_. > they normally employ. I mean, for crying out loud...the possibilities for > sound generation today are practically endless..why do they keep going > back to the same ones? Maybe because they like them? Because they feel it gives their music a certain identity? > Now, DM is somewhat dance-oriented, so if you're not into rhythms that you > can tap along with on your desktop or steering wheel, it might not be your > thing. But it's pretty lightweight dance music, more like Robert Miles > than Chemical Brothers. You know, I always felt that if DM had received anything resembling normal airplay when it was released (95/96), 'Rough Embrace' would have made an excellent competitor for Robert Miles' 'Children'. And there aren't enough people making that kind > of 'lite' dance music, and I hope Jerome continues to explore it. DM2 was > something of a disappointment, in that it lacked the urgency of the first > disk and got meandering again. Hm. Actually, I think that's just the quality that sets it apart from DM1--I think it *is* more urgent and more serious-sounding than the first album. DM1 was definitely a fun album, _TimeSquare_ (c'mon, it's not REALLY DM2) actually sounded like it wanted to be a more serious (and maybe even pretentious) attempt. But it certainly doesn't have the liveliness and spontaneity of DM. > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator Gabe From: Sean Montgomery You don't think that counts as musical taste, Sean? ;) > Doesn't everybody expect the music they like to do different things than > another person might expect? Okay, you got me, Gabe. I tried to think of a way to draw a distinction between 'taste' and what I guess I'd have to call 'expectations'...but there really isn't one, now that I think about it. > heh, what I liked about it was what I thought was the relative *lack* of > structure, compared to their previous albums, which I thought had gotten > a little predictable in the way the compositions were structured. The structure on Dream Mixes that I refer to was provided by the underlying rhythms, which formed an anchor, which is key in a song like Sojus (which I love). It jumps around all over the place, but the beats stitch it all together; give it coherancy. > > they normally employ. I mean, for crying out loud...the possibilities for > > sound generation today are practically endless..why do they keep going > > back to the same ones? > > Maybe because they like them? Because they feel it gives their music a > certain identity? This is a hard point to argue against, since it gets back to the taste issue. Furthermore, no one would chastise someone like Eric Clapton for making a bluesy sounding record much like the last one he put out. I guess the problem with TD is that they still like to promote themselves with the same language of yesteryear ('world's leading electronic band', etc), but they don't deliver the goods for me anymore. Yes, the 90s TD sounds provide an identity alright, but it's like they traded in a Ferrari for a Volvo. Safe, dependable...but dull. > You know, I always felt that if DM had received anything resembling > normal airplay when it was released (95/96), 'Rough Embrace' would have > made an excellent competitor for Robert Miles' 'Children'. Absolutely! 'Little Blonde' too, with it's ethnic vocal sample. The Starbucks crowd was eating that up three years ago. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Rainer Rutka From: yannick.edom@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Date: Wed Jul 21, 1999 10:42 am Subject: Re: No answer from TDI !! ---------- > De : Rainer Rutka > A : Tangerine Dream 2nd Mailinglist > Objet : [tadream] No answer from TDI !! > Date : mercredi 21 juillet 1999 16:57 > > From: Rainer Rutka > > Hi ! > > Just 4 weeks ago, I ordered the 'Dream Triplets' - set via. the > TDI homepage. > > A question: Is there anybody who ordered this and GOT IT ? > > My email to TDI was (and will) not be answered until today. I tried > (in a friendly way) to ask about my order - but unfortunately I got > NO ANSWER ! > > I don't want to blame the guys from TDI - I want only know if this > set is allready shipped. > Hi everyone I ordered the Triplet too but, like Rainer i never had a confirmation of this order. No aswer yet is arrived. I think the Triplet will be sent at the same date of the international release of Mars Polaris. Whan i ordered the Holiday Booster (Valentine Wheels) in november/december, i never had a confirmation of the order and no aswer too. But i received the item as promised by TDI, it was released at the end of 1998. I think we have to wait for the international release date to get the triplet. So don't worry. Friendly from France. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A101 47 Chemin de pelleport 31500 Toulouse FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: TJames0001@xxx.xxx Date: Wed Jul 21, 1999 9:47 am Subject: Re: No answer from TDI !! They sent me an e-mail a few weeks ago and said it was delayed and would not be shipped until September. Tom From: Rainer Rutka From: TJames0001@a... > They sent me an e-mail a few weeks ago and said it was delayed and would not > be shipped until September. > Tom Thank you Tom and you all ! It's a pity I don't get this information by TDI ! ;-( Rainer NP: Keller/Schoenwaelder : The Two Piece Box - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TD-page -> http://home.t-online.de/home/rutka - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 17247 Re: No answer from TDI !! - Thank you Martin Kay Wed 7/21/1999 2 KB 17248 Re: No answer from TDI !! - Thank you Martin Kay Wed 7/21/1999 2 KB 17254 Re: No answer from TDI !! - Thank you Joe Shoults Wed 7/21/1999 1 KB 17257 Re: No answer from TDI !! - Thank you TJames0001@xxx.xxx Wed 7/21/1999 1 KB 17258 Re: No answer from TDI !! - Thank you Vic Rek Thu 7/22/1999 1 KB From: Martin Kay From: Rainer Rutka > >On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 TJames0001@a... wrote: > >> From: TJames0001@a... >> They sent me an e-mail a few weeks ago and said it was delayed and would not >> be shipped until September. >> Tom >Thank you Tom and you all ! >It's a pity I don't get this information by TDI ! ;-( > > Rainer > >NP: Keller/Schoenwaelder : The Two Piece Box >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > TD-page -> http://home.t-online.de/home/rutka >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Start a new ONElist list & you can WIN great prizes! >http://www.onelist.com >See homepage for details on ONElist's new 'FRIENDS & FAMILY' program. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages in your replies. To unsubscribe, send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > All the best, Martin Kay. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: Martin Kay >> From: TJames0001@a... >> They sent me an e-mail a few weeks ago and said it was delayed and would not >> be shipped until September. >> Tom >Thank you Tom and you all ! >It's a pity I don't get this information by TDI ! ;-( > > Rainer > Hi Guys (...and ladies), I guess I´ll have to clear something up 'officially' here. We apologise for having been dragging along slightly regarding the orders, but part of our staff (half, actually) is on holiday and there are lots of other organisational matters to work on right now, paving the way for the US- release of 'Mars Polaris'. A big bulk of orders has been shipped yesterday and one will be sent out today. All the recipients will be notified later today. Apart from our holiday personnel shortage, the credit card orders take 2- 3 weeks for final confirmation and transfer to our accounts (especially AmEx is pretty slow!) - so, both of these factors added account for your long waiting. I am very sorry but it wasn´t possible to do it faster. To the ' delay' until September - you got something wrong here, Tom. What is being delayed until September are not the Triplets but all STIMPACK FIVE orders containing one or more of the rereleases of the old MIRAMAR- catalogue. These have been delayed until September and can therefore not be shipped any earlier. Well, hope that everything´s clear now... ;-) All the best, Martin Kay. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: Rainer Rutka From: EMC Holland From: 'Ray' > > > >Not TD related exactly RMI only use analogue keyboard instruments and sequencers, no drum machines or computers >- these are left at the door before entering the studio: > >anyway: > >Does anyone have a copy of: > >RMI: At the October Gallery, Diabolica, Republic or Burned & Frozen Hi Ray, All can be bought from Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl With the exception of ATOG which was a ltd. release. Best Regards, Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Emerald Mine on the Amiga visit: http://www.groove.nl/emc/ ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www/groove.nl/ ------------------------------------------------------ ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-)