From:
'Jens Peschke'
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 11:31
pm
Subject: Re: Euroland, the kingdom of boredom ? new JMJ
> From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
>
> Of course not. As I am running a JMJ fan club, I am used to all sorts of
reviews.
> Reviews like the one you mentioned have been expected.
Ahh, so you've already been prepared and had sort of marketing strategy? ;-)
Take care
Jens
From:
'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 12:08
am
Subject: SV: Euroland, the kingdom of boredom ? new JMJ
>Ahh, so you've already been prepared and had sort of marketing strategy? ;-)
I am not sure what you are talking about here, but bad reviews of the
forhcoming JMJ album was expected because its so different.
glenn
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From:
DJS
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 3:09
am
Subject: Re: Euroland, the kingdom of boredom ? new JMJ
Jens Peschke wrote:
>
> From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
> > From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
> >
> > Of course not. As I am running a JMJ fan club, I am used to all sorts of
> reviews.
> > Reviews like the one you mentioned have been expected.
>
> Ahh, so you've already been prepared and had sort of marketing strategy? ;-)
>
Heh, hilarious Jens. Actually, he 'did' pretty much shred the worst
albums of JMJ (anyone who liked Waiting for Cousteau? You're a freak!
;-) ). But, to consider Oxygene 7-13 a failure is ludicrous. It's one of
the best EM albums to be released in the 90s. Most of the others came
from much lesser known (but better!) european artists such as Pickford,
Corporation & Bekki Williams. Personally, I don't think JMJ puts out
enough albums in a decade to warrant a fan club...but whatever.
--
Dan J. Schulte
Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
Progressive Electronic Music
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/12/dan_j_schulte.html
From:
DJS
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 3:17
am
Subject: Re: SV: Euroland, the kingdom of boredom ? new JMJ
'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)' wrote:
>
> From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
>
> >Ahh, so you've already been prepared and had sort of marketing strategy? ;-)
>
> I am not sure what you are talking about here, but bad reviews of the
forhcoming JMJ album was expected because its so different.
Or because it's bad, heh. Come on dude, you can say it. Come oooon,
saaaaaay it. It suuucks. Even fans can express negative
opinions...doesn't mean you hate the band, just the release.
--
Dan J. Schulte
Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
Progressive Electronic Music
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/12/dan_j_schulte.html
From:
DJS
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 3:18
am
Subject: Re: SV: Euroland, the kingdom of boredom ? new JMJ
'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)' wrote:
>
> From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
>
> >From: DJS
>
> (About JMJ)
> >He lives in a castle
>
> Which is of course entirely untrue. He lives in a ordinary house. A big
house, but definitely not a castle.
Of course. They must have only rented the castle and fooled Robin Leach
during the interview of LOTR&F (no it doesn't stand for lord of the
rings & frodo).
--
Dan J. Schulte
Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
Progressive Electronic Music
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/12/dan_j_schulte.html
From:
'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 3:33
am
Subject: SV: SV: Euroland, the kingdom of boredom ? new JMJ
>Of course. They must have only rented the castle and fooled Robin Leach
>during the interview of LOTR&F (no it doesn't stand for lord of the
>rings & frodo).
What interview are you referring to? I am not familiar with Leach or LOTR&F. I
have been to JMJ's place and seen myself what kind of house he has.
glenn
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 3:37
am
Subject: SV: SV: Euroland, the kingdom of boredom ? new JMJ
>Or because it's bad, heh. Come on dude, you can say it. Come oooon,
>saaaaaay it. It suuucks. Even fans can express negative
>opinions.
Sure. But I dont think it sucks, so I cant say that. But its not my favourite
album either. However, I have been around Jarre reviews long enough to see the
difference between a review which says the critic doesnt like it because of his
taste, and a review were the critic doesnt like it because the album supposedly
is bad. There is a difference, you know. The album does not have to be crap
because you dont like it.
If you dont like the taste of Coca Cola, it doesnt mean there is something
wrong with it. Geddit? :-)
glenn
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From:
DJS
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 4:15
am
Subject: Re: SV: SV: Euroland, the kingdom of boredom ? new JMJ
'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)' wrote:
>
> If you dont like the taste of Coca Cola, it doesnt mean there is something
wrong with it. Geddit? :-)
So in other words:
'If you dont like the taste of dog doo, it doesnt mean there is
something wrong with it. Geddit?'
Which translates that if one guy likes dog doo it's okay to eat it? Even
though the majority of the population would look in disgust there are
still those few who think it has an appealing taste.
Heh, I think your opinion is not universal. Mine is though. If I don't
like it, it's caca...even if it's only my opinion...to me it's crap.
That applies to everyone. ;-)
Dano
(who had to reread his reply to make sure it makes sense...heh...does
it?)
--
Dan J. Schulte
Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
Progressive Electronic Music
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/12/dan_j_schulte.html
From:
'Yensen, Stephen'
From:
'Simon Slator'
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 9:38
am
Subject: More problems regarding 'Cold Sun' and MP3.COM
Remember what happened to 'Gamma 1' when they falsely accused me of
plagiarising TaDream?
Well now they don't like the odd Star Trek sample I used on the 9min version of
'First Contact'. Unfortunately, it would have meant delaying the CD release by
about 2 weeks. Mainly because I've got a week's paid leave next week and won't
be able to keep an eye on the DAM CD.
So, what I've done is removed the 9min version and replaced it with the 4min
radio edit, thus keeping the full version for its official UK release in
January. The remaining songs, thankfully including the 20min title track,
remain intact. The CD should be ready by tomorrow at the earliest. If you don't
see the 'Cold Sun' CD on my page at http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject or,
when you click on it, you don't see the appropriate artwork - leave it until
the following day.
Thanks again,
Simon Slator.
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 12:21
pm
Subject: SV: SV: SV: Euroland, the kingdom of boredom ? new JMJ
>From: DJS
>'If you dont like the taste of dog doo, it doesnt mean there is
>something wrong with it. Geddit?'
So you think music and dog doo and Coca Cola is the same. OK, your problem.
How about seriously discussing something, rather than throwing mindless crap
(no pun intended) around?
glenn
From:
'Heiko Heerßen'
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 12:35
pm
Subject: Kraftwerk live recordings
Hi Gang,
I'm looking for live recordings (cassettes/cd's/cdr's) of Kraftwerk.
Anyone who's interested in a trade against some music from my collection
(mainly TD) can contact me at 'heiko.heerssen@h...'.
Best regards,
Heiko
From:
DJS
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 5:22
pm
Subject: Re: More problems regarding 'Cold Sun' and MP3.COM
Simon Slator wrote:
>
> Remember what happened to 'Gamma 1' when they falsely accused me of
plagiarising TaDream?
>
> Well now they don't like the odd Star Trek sample I used on the 9min version
of 'First Contact'.
Heh, just clear it with Paramount first (which I can tell you their
answer now: no). You wouldn't believe how copyright happy they are. When
I worked at SC/ST we had business cards made for the store that had the
Star Trek insignia on them to promote the ST stuff we sold. Would you
believe a cease & desist letter a few months later? If you sample
something just make sure to distort it enough to where it becomes your
own work.
--
Dan J. Schulte
Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
Progressive Electronic Music
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/12/dan_j_schulte.html
From:
'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 4:27
pm
Subject: Le Parc
Hey,
I am now playing le Parc, the album. However, I am not sure from the liner
notes if this is a collection if tracks from different projects, or if the
songs were written specifically for this album.
all the best,
glenn
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From:
'Thomas'
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 5:31
pm
Subject: SV: Le Parc
>From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
>
>Hey,
>
>I am now playing le Parc, the album. However, I am not sure from the liner
notes if this is a collection if tracks from different projects, or if the
songs were written specifically for this album.
>
>all the best,
>glenn
Hi Glenn!
(Kjempegott å höre fra en Norge-gutt!)
The 'Le Parc' album contain only songs written for the album, except the title
track, which is a variation of the TV series soundtrack 'Streethawk'.
'Le Parc' was by the way the first album by TD that I was exposed to, and it
made me love them! Great album, not mentioned often enough in my opinion. In
fact, I don't believe I've ever heard it mentioned here on this list before,
and it makes me sort of curious about what you guys think of it... or should I
perhaps wait until it's time to review it??!!..
Hope this helps!
Thomas
Helsingborg, Sweden
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 5:59
pm
Subject: SV: Le Parc
>From: 'Thomas'
>Hi Glenn!
>(Kjempegott å höre fra en Norge-gutt!)
Thats great. Hihi, your Norwegian is close, but no cigar!)
>The 'Le Parc' album contain only songs written for the album, except the title
track, which is a variation of the TV >series soundtrack 'Streethawk'.
Thanks for the info. I too think it is a great album, although when I played it
today it felt very short inspite of 41 minutes. Perhaps because the songs are
relatively short.
all the best,
glenn
From:
'joe shoults'
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 8:35
pm
Subject: RE: Tangerine Dream in Keyboard Magazine
Keyboard Magazine feature: http://tadream.copfer.com
its time for a change on the homepage, so might as well use this article
until I put up the new one...
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> >I got somebody that is going to post the TD article as soon as I
> email it to
> him. Thanks to everyone that responded.
From:
Bennett Cookson
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 9:48
pm
Subject: RE: Tangerine Dream in Keyboard Magazine
Article mentions: 'Very special live events'
So does that mean they may do a live concert over the internet from their
studio?
(Perhaps we could get together and network everyone in for crowd noise and
create a more live feel.)
--Bennett
np - what a blast
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 9:46
pm
Subject: RE: Tangerine Dream in Keyboard Magazine
> (Perhaps we could get together and network everyone in for crowd noise and
> create a more live feel.)
Nah, they'll probably just draw from their 'crowd noise' sample
collection, like they usually do. ;-)
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Jens Peschke'
Date: Thu Dec 2, 1999 9:53
pm
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream in Keyboard Magazine
> Nah, they'll probably just draw from their 'crowd noise' sample
> collection, like they usually do. ;-)
I bet they'll put it into VST so that they can hit the play button and walk
out during the gig having some pizza and beer. ;-)
On another note:
That mentioned choir/orchestra + synth thingy sounds pretty darn interesting
to me. Honest.
It should be called bits for Gigasampled choir, orchestra and bobs, though.
;-)
Thanks for putting it up, joe ! :-)
Best Regards
Jens
From:
'joe shoults'
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 10:07
pm
Subject: RE: Tangerine Dream in Keyboard Magazine
well, I believe they already did an internet broadcast, back when Goblin's
Club was released.
I say another is long overdue.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bennett Cookson
...
> Article mentions: 'Very special live events'
>
> So does that mean they may do a live concert over the internet from their
> studio?
> (Perhaps we could get together and network everyone in for crowd noise and
> create a more live feel.)
>
From:
'joe shoults'
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 10:07
pm
Subject: Mars Polar lander lands Friday
I didn't realize the Mars Polar lander was this close- it lands Friday!
http://www.msnbc.com/news/304520.asp
-Joe
From:
'Erik Sanborn'
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 9:45
pm
Subject: Re: Euroland, the kingdom of boredom ? new JMJ
>From: DJS
>
>Jens Peschke wrote:
>>
>> From: 'Jens Peschke'
>>
>> > From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
>> >
>> > Of course not. As I am running a JMJ fan club, I am used to all sorts of
>> reviews.
>> > Reviews like the one you mentioned have been expected.
>>
>> Ahh, so you've already been prepared and had sort of marketing strategy?
;-)
>>
>
>Heh, hilarious Jens. Actually, he 'did' pretty much shred the worst
>albums of JMJ (anyone who liked Waiting for Cousteau? You're a freak!
>;-) ). But, to consider Oxygene 7-13 a failure is ludicrous.
I liked Waiting for Cousteau AND Oxygene 7-13.
Guess that makes me a Super-freak! :-)
Back to lurk mode...
-Not Rick James
np: TD - What A Blast
From:
'Steven Le Vine'
Date: Thu Dec 2, 1999 12:37
am
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream in Keyboard Magazine
----------
> From: Bennett Cookson
>
> Article mentions: 'Very special live events'
>
> So does that mean they may do a live concert over the internet from their
> studio?
& charge $500.00 a head. LOL
Hey guys, don't freak on me but you have been going on & on about off topic
JMJ that I want you guys to reccomend a CD for someone who does not think he
ever heard any JMJ.
Be gentle :),
siberkat
From:
'Steven Le Vine'
Date: Thu Dec 2, 1999 12:58
am
Subject: Re: SV: Le Parc
Hey Thomas,
Le Parc is EXCELLENT! It was one of the CDs that turned me into one of you
guys :) That & Optical Race.
Zen Garden just rocks my world! Someone has a version playing on there web
page but am unsure who.
I like FM to so I cannt be that bad. :)
siberkat
> From: 'Thomas'
>
> The 'Le Parc' album
> 'Le Parc' was by the way the first album by TD that I was exposed to, and
> it made me love them! Great album, not mentioned often enough in my
> opinion. In fact, I don't believe I've ever heard it mentioned here on this
> list before, and it makes me sort of curious about what you guys think of
> it... or should I perhaps wait until it's time to review it??!!..
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Thomas
> Helsingborg, Sweden
>
> > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original
> messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send
> a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://tadream.copfer.com
>
>
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 9:50
pm
Subject: Re: Euroland, the kingdom of boredom ? new JMJ
>anyone who liked Waiting for Cousteau? You're a freak!
>;-) ).
I think I'm half-freak; I liked the first half of Waiting for Cousteau, the
three Calypsos. I really don't like the 47-minute ambient title track.
> But, to consider Oxygene 7-13 a failure is ludicrous. It's one of
>the best EM albums to be released in the 90s.
It IS a failure, seeing from the point that JMJ, as I said before, tried to
recreate the original Oxygene atmosphere, which IMO is impossible.
But it is a very good EM album! As all his albums have been throughout
these 23 years.
>Personally, I don't think JMJ puts out
>enough albums in a decade to warrant a fan club...but whatever.
It's a pity to have to wait so much time for a new JMJ STUDIO album, but
the wait has been rewarding.
>--
>Dan J. Schulte
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed Dec 1, 1999 10:19
pm
Subject: Re: SV: Le Parc
The only track I have from Le Parc is Le Parc, and I like it.
gfj
Great album, not mentioned often enough in my opinion. In fact, I don't
believe I've ever heard it mentioned here on this list before, and it makes
me sort of curious about what you guys think of it... or should I perhaps
wait until it's time to review it??!!..
>
>Hope this helps!
>
>Thomas
>Helsingborg, Sweden
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Thomas
Date: Thu Dec 2, 1999 4:17
am
Subject: Re: Le Parc
Hey Steven!
Glad to hear you think both 'Force Majeure' and 'Le Parc' is excellent! I
understand you like the newer stuff better otherwise... but on the other hand,
both LP and FM must be really, really good
then! :o) LOL
As always - best intentions,
Thomas
Helsingborg, Sweden
Steven Le Vine wrote:
> From: 'Steven Le Vine'
>
> Hey Thomas,
>
> Le Parc is EXCELLENT! It was one of the CDs that turned me into one of you
> guys :) That & Optical Race.
>
> Zen Garden just rocks my world! Someone has a version playing on there web
> page but am unsure who.
>
> I like FM to so I cannt be that bad. :)
>
> siberkat
>
> > From: 'Thomas'
>
> >
> > The 'Le Parc' album
> > 'Le Parc' was by the way the first album by TD that I was exposed to, and
> > it made me love them! Great album, not mentioned often enough in my
> > opinion. In fact, I don't believe I've ever heard it mentioned here on this
> > list before, and it makes me sort of curious about what you guys think of
> > it... or should I perhaps wait until it's time to review it??!!..
From:
'upnsm0ke'
Date: Thu Dec 2, 1999 4:28
am
Subject: Re: Euroland, the kingdom of boredom ? new JMJ
> From: Gustavo Jobim
>
> > But, to consider Oxygene 7-13 a failure is ludicrous.
>
> It IS a failure, seeing from the point that JMJ, as I said before, tried
to
> recreate the original Oxygene atmosphere, which IMO is impossible.
Yeah, it was impossible. JMJ wasn't recording in the same studio with the
same equipment. I'm sure he was delighted with using 90s FX & synths.
Oxygene 7-13 was a sequel and a nostalgia trip, sure, but at the same time
it was just great, brand-new Jarre-style melodic EM. And I think he
revisited the old Oxygene themes just fine.
> But it is a very good EM album!
One of the best of the 90s, if not 'the'...
E-Man
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Dec 2, 1999 4:46
am
Subject: Re: Re: Euroland, the kingdom of boredom ? new JMJ
>I liked Waiting for Cousteau AND Oxygene 7-13.
>Guess that makes me a Super-freak! :-)
>
>Back to lurk mode...
>
>-Not Rick James
Not super-freak,maybe just freak. :)
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Thu Dec 2, 1999 4:52
am
Subject: Re: Euroland, the kingdom of boredom ? new JMJ
>From: 'upnsm0ke'
>
>> From: Gustavo Jobim
>>
>> > But, to consider Oxygene 7-13 a failure is ludicrous.
>>
>> It IS a failure, seeing from the point that JMJ, as I said before, tried
>to
>> recreate the original Oxygene atmosphere, which IMO is impossible.
>
>Yeah, it was impossible. JMJ wasn't recording in the same studio with the
>same equipment. I'm sure he was delighted with using 90s FX & synths.
>Oxygene 7-13 was a sequel and a nostalgia trip, sure, but at the same time
>it was just great, brand-new Jarre-style melodic EM.And I think he
>revisited the old Oxygene themes just fine.
And he did that in an excellent way.
gfj
p.s. OK, let's kill this offtopic thread. :)
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
Date: Thu Dec 2, 1999 5:12
am
Subject: SV: Euroland, the kingdom of boredom ? new JMJ
From: Gustavo Jobim
[Oxygene 7-13]
>It IS a failure, seeing from the point that JMJ, as I said before, tried to
>recreate the original Oxygene atmosphere,
Actually, Jarre did NOT try to recreate the original Oxygene atmosphere! That
is a common mistake. What he tried to do is compose with the same attitude as
20 years ago. For that reason, he also used analogue synths, but he pointed out
that O7-13 is a *continuation* and not a re-creation or a sequel. Big
difference. And this is not even my opinion, it is words directly from JMJ.
glenn
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
Date: Thu Dec 2, 1999 5:17
am
Subject: SV: Euroland, the kingdom of boredom ? new JMJ
>From: 'upnsm0ke'
>Oxygene 7-13 was a sequel and a nostalgia trip, sure,
Nostalgia trip - probably. But NOT a sequel, but a continuation. O7-13 started
were old Oxygene left (not in a literal sense tho). A sequel is supposed to
copy the original because 'the original worked, we do it again'. But O7-13 only
had the same attitude while composing in common with old Oxygene.
Enough Jarre now? Sorry for the off-topics.
I wonder how this would translate to TD? If they threw out all their computers
and Gigasamplers, and twisted the knobs of their ARPs and Moogs - what would be
the result today?
glenn
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Date: Thu Dec 2, 1999 6:10
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Subject: Re: Euroland, the kingdom of boredom ? new JMJ
> From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
>
> >Oxygene 7-13 was a sequel and a nostalgia trip, sure,
>
> Nostalgia trip - probably. But NOT a sequel, but a continuation.
Webster's New Riverside Ed. defines 'sequel' as: something that follows or
come after; a [literary] work forming the continuation of an earlier work.
I'm right. You're right.
E-Man
From:
TOMX01@xxx.xxx
Date: Thu Dec 2, 1999 7:43
am
Subject: Re: Le Parc
I guess the thing with Le Parc is because there are more tracks on it than
most TD albums there is more to dislike. High point for me is definitely the
emu synth on Yellowstone Park. Also ironic in a way that Mike Oldfield is
playing his Millennium concert in the Tiergarten in Berlin, no chance of
cover version I suppose!
Tom (Melrose)
N.P. Mike Oldfield - The Millennium Bell ..... thumbs up from me anyway =)
From:
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Date: Thu Dec 2, 1999 12:46
pm
Subject: Le Parc
Hi Thomas,
Le Parc is an excellent album and greatly under appreciated. Tiergarten is
about one fav all-time tracks. It can make any any day a great day. Its also
got some fine playing by (I presume) Johannes Schmoelling. Something that is
missing from the current lineup. For those who like this CD, they should
also buy Heartbreaker. They make for a great driving tape.
Regards,
Bob Fitzgerald
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From:
Olle.Rundgren@xxx.xx
Date: Thu Dec 2, 1999 1:43
pm
Subject: 'D:Live [Encore]'
It is really too sad that I cannot find the time to contribute to the album
discussion. In most cases though, others have given words to what I feel.
Partly this goes for Encore as well but I must say that I am surprised to
see so few inputs on such a milestone in the career of this group. So here
are a few words from me:
Encore
This album marks the end of the most interesting period in the history of TD
(1974-1977) and it is also the last album by the most consistenly creative
line-up: Froese-Francke-Baumann. To me it is a climax of all the marvellous
ingredients built up and developed since the release of Phaedra. I hear
parts reminding of the spacey, mellow sounds of Phaedra and the magnificent
Rubycon, I hear development of Ricochet on the first two tracks: The classic
build-up before the sequencer comes in leading us to a climax, followed by
an epilogue tying the piece up perfectly. Actually leaving the listener
where it all started but so much richer on impressions. Encore also contains
traces of Stratosfear and Sorcerer, the brilliant follow-ups to the previous
successes, with a stronger focus on melody-lines (also to be found partly on
Green Desert but how can one put that album correctly in the chain of
development?).
Disc 1 is pure perfection. Cherokee Lane and Monolight are classic
compositions not only in terms of TD, and electronic music in general, but
they are right up there among the great masterpieces in the history of
music. For me it is very rare to find a disc that I can play over and over
again, year after year, without getting tired or bored with it. I only have
the vinyl version and by now there are a lot of less interesting noises
competing with the music when playing it. Still I would't swap it for
anything. It has a live-feeling to it that I haven't heard neither before
nor after in the career of TD.
Whatever bothers or problems one might have, the perfect cure is to turn out
the lights, lie down and listen to this disc on high volume. There is no
better remedy, the only hazard being the risk for addiction but what the
....
Disc 2 isn't quite as immaculate as the first one. If it had been, this
would certainly have been my all time TD favourite. As it is I would rate
disc 2 a five star (on a five star scale, ((no Armins here)), whereas disc
one is a five star with a plus added, if You all get the picture.
Desert dream is the perfect end to an album, with the slow pace and sort of
distant melody-line. I like Coldwater Canyon as well, but consider it the
weakest piece on the album because it lacks the perfect structure of the
others. It is interesting enough but the guitar part is pushed a bit too
far for my liking. (I have heard other material from this North American
tour and must say that the guitar excercises sometimes were just too much,
so Coldwater Canyon still is very moderate in comparison).
Still, this is just a minor beauty spot on an album that no music fan can
afford not to have in his/her collection.
Should Encore only have been available in a 180 dollar package, I wouldn't
hesitate to buy it even if the t-shirt was excluded.
After all this praise, and considering the sadness I felt when Baumann left
the group, it amazes at least me to say that the best album is still to
come...
That's all for now
(tror jag)
Olle
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From:
'Heiko Heerßen' After all this praise, and considering the sadness I felt when Baumann left
> the group, it amazes at least me to say that the best album is still to
> come...
Right you are...
TANGRAM!!!!
From:
Gustavo Jobim From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
>
>From: Gustavo Jobim
>
>[Oxygene 7-13]
>>It IS a failure, seeing from the point that JMJ, as I said before, tried to
>>recreate the original Oxygene atmosphere,
>
>Actually, Jarre did NOT try to recreate the original Oxygene atmosphere!
That is a common mistake. What he tried to do is compose with the same
attitude as 20 years ago. For that reason, he also used analogue synths,
but he pointed out that O7-13 is a *continuation* and not a re-creation or
a sequel. Big difference. And this is not even my opinion, it is words
directly from JMJ.
>
>glenn
That's what I was trying to say.
And I know it's a continuation.
But 'compose with the same attitude' using the same synths he used 20 years
ago IMO is try to recreate the atmosphere. And I'm not talking about trying
to recreate Oxygene, just it's old 'magic', or something.
I'm getting tired of this offtopic thread, but what the hell, I'm a JMJ
fan. Sorry, list!
gfj
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From:
Bennett Cookson
From:
'Heiko Heerßen' Le Parc. One of my favorite albums
When I first bought it in 1985 it was a little disappointment to find out that
these were all shorter tracks...those 20+ minute epics seemed to have gone
forever (well, they didn't...see LiveMiles)
But after hearing the first song (Bois de Boulogne) I knew that this one was
going to be another great album. Indeed, the Froese/Franke/Schmoelling period
gave us some unforgettable music
(Tangram...YEAH YEAH YEAH ;-) and are in my opinion the best years TD ever had.
> Yellowstone Park is an all time favorite track. I love the cool 'horn'
> sound at the beginning and how the song builds from there. It reminds me of
> someone off on a far hill blowing the horn and ushering in the music.
The reason I'm replying to your posting is your liking for 'Yellowstone park'.
It's really strange but when I first listened to it I didn't liked it at all.
It sounded way too 'commercial' for me, to
simple. But last year I once again listened to nearly every album Td brought
out and when I heard Le Parc I was stunned about the absolute _beauty_ of this
song. Each time it gives me goosebumps all
over. In fact, there are only 2 other songs who are giving me that 'out of this
world' feeling: the last part from 'Festival of death', a song from The
Residents...and 'Vuh', a track by the German
band Popol Vuh.
From:
'Heiko Heerßen'
From:
'joe shoults'
From:
Rainer Rutka
From:
'Steven Le Vine' From: 'Steven Le Vine' >
> Hey Thomas,
>
> Le Parc is EXCELLENT! It was one of the CDs that turned me into one of you
> guys :) That & Optical Race.
>
> Zen Garden just rocks my world! Someone has a version playing on there web
> page but am unsure who.
>
> I like FM to so I cannt be that bad. :)
>
> siberkat
Sorry gang! I meant Tiergarten. This song is one of the best TD songs
ever!
regards,
sibes
From:
TOMX01@xxx.xxx
Date: Thu Dec 2, 1999 8:43
pm
Subject: Re: SV: Le Parc
With these postings I listened to Le Parc again. Its better than I
remembered, especially Tiergarten, which uses the same sounds as near dark.
Tom (Melrose)
From:
'Jens Peschke' From: TOMX01@a...
> I guess the thing with Le Parc is because there are more tracks on it than
> most TD albums there is more to dislike.
Might be the case but I always liked it as concept album a lot,
the only track I don't really like is that Streethawk thingy.
Other than that a pretty fine album.
> N.P. Mike Oldfield - The Millennium Bell ..... thumbs up from me anyway =)
Say, is that one yet another Tubular Bells sequel ??
Being a huge fan of Mike Oldfield I wasn't overall impressed by TB III.
In fact I already sold it again. Hopefully there's noone running an
Oldfield
fan club subbed here, who tries to convince me it is any good. Noone can!
;-)
Best Regards
Jens
From:
'Marcel Engels' From: 'Heiko Heerßen'
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> I think the person who is behind 'Free System Projekt' also is a
> subscriber to the Tadream mailing list.
Hi...:-)
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
Email :fsp@w...
From:
'Lawry Simm'
From:
'Lawry Simm'
From:
'twosheds' I am now playing le Parc, the album. However, I am not sure from the liner
notes if this is a collection if tracks >from different projects, or if the
songs were written specifically for this album.
Since this is their 'concept' album, I would venture to say that they were
all written specifically for the album. There's a track, though, that they
played on the '86 tours that sounds like it was track left off the album. I
was driving myself crazy trying to do a setlist for Paris '86 and trying the
identify this song. I think it was a song they wrote for Le Parc but that
never made it to vinyl.
Scott
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From:
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From:
'Michael A Jean' -----Original Message-----
> From: TOMX01@a... [mailto:TOMX01@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:43 PM
> To: tadream@o...
> Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Le Parc
>
>
> From: TOMX01@a...
>
>
> With these postings I listened to Le Parc again. Its better than I
> remembered, especially Tiergarten, which uses the same sounds as
> near dark.
>
> Tom (Melrose)
>
> > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing
> original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed
> from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://tadream.copfer.com
>
>
From:
Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx
Date: Fri Dec 3, 1999 7:49
am
Subject: RE: D: Live [Encore]
When I read the mails I get the idea That You are wrong Lawry ,...luckly ;-)
There were a lot possitive reviews.
I think that Encore is the BEST live album I've ever heard, a great
Ambience.
I could Dream a lot with TD at this album.
Greetings
Bert
aka Phrozenlight
my Homepage http://phrozenlight.findhere.org/
(still under construction)
please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-)
> From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
> Seems like not many people are interested in Encore... yet I think
> it's a great album. It practically the only TD album I don't actually
> own the vinyl of... late this may be, but it _is_ on topic.
>
>
From:
Bert.Hulshoff@N...
Date: Fri Dec 3, 1999 7:50
am
Subject: RE: D:Studio [Cyclone]
I agree
> ----------
> From: Lawry Simm[SMTP:lawrysimm@u...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 23:38
> To: Tadream Mailing List
> Subject: [tadream] D:Studio [Cyclone]
>
> From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
> The first TD album with vocals... got a very mixed reaction from fans,
> the majority of whom hated this 'experiment'. I quite like it!
>
>
From:
fsp@xxx.xx
Date: Fri Dec 3, 1999 8:48
am
Subject: D:Live Encore
Previously Lawry said:
>Seems like not many people are interested in Encore... yet I think
>it's a great album. It practically the only TD album I don't actually
>own the vinyl of... late this may be, but it _is_ on topic. Praise the
>lord for that!
Hmmm the people who wrote the reviews for Encore were all positive I think.
>On the whole, if this album was a single, consisting of the first 2
>sides, it would be an absolute cracker. As it stands, I feel that the
>second album drags the whole shebang down a bit. Overall, 3AS.
? :-)
It´s all personal of course but for me if ´they´ put out a 6CD of this stuff
then I would still buy it regardless of how much I have to pay for it.
What I find strange is that not many people like Coldwater Canyon...
Okay maybe it´s not the best composed track but for me it´s so powerful.
It´s something I would wanna do live :-)
And for Desert Dream I just love the parts where they play the e-piano and
mellotron on top...that part is superb!
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
Email :fsp@w...
From:
fsp@xxx.xx
Date: Fri Dec 3, 1999 9:06
am
Subject: D:Studio [Cyclone]
Cyclone...
It was one the last albums I bought from the 70s, because
I heard many people didn´t liked it.
It just shows that I musn´t listen to other people ´findings´ :-)
Just as Encore, Rubycon etc I really like this album.
When I played the album for the first time I was suprised to
hear the vocoder (couldn´t understand a word what Steve was
saying).
After that some very powerful chords and drumming. great.
And Steve´s voice just nicely into the music. It does sound
right in there.
Nice instrumental part in the middle and just about the only
album in which wood instruments don´t sound annoying! :-)
Ends the same as the beginning just a little faster.
Endless runner...
I always skip this track.
Some things are nice but it´s sounds as if they made this track in
one afternoon or something (which musn´t necessarily be a bad thing).
Madrigal...
Great track.
The sequencer are imo a bit thin sounding and not too well
developed but as I would say in dutch: het loopt.
which means absolutely nothing in english I guess: it walks.
Great ´psycho´ woodwind things on top, lots of mellotron brasses.
In comparison with what they did before (encore etc) this is
somewhat less better...but imo miiiilllleeesss better then what
they do now (with exceptions of some tracks maybe).
between 3 and 4AS
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
Email :fsp@w...
just as patrik said: Oby one is an Oberheim one...
I´ve played it once and it certainly has a character of it´s own.
It´s small and has nice white pots.
From:
'Simon Slator' > N.P. Mike Oldfield - The Millennium Bell ..... thumbs up from me anyway =)
>Say, is that one yet another Tubular Bells sequel ??
>Being a huge fan of Mike Oldfield I wasn't overall impressed by TB III.
>In fact I already sold it again. Hopefully there's noone running an
>Oldfield
>fan club subbed here, who tries to convince me it is any good. Noone can!
Personally, I found nothing wrong whatsoever with Tubular Bells III or The
Millennium Bell (which, infact is NOT another TB sequel). As I see it, Mike
hasn't made a crap album since 1989's 'Earth Moving'! I know quite a few people
who didn't like TB3 - but then again, you see those types everywhere. The sort
of people that would compare 'Mars Polaris' to the likes of 'Phaedra'. It
doesn't really matter whether it's as good as the original - if the listener
enjoys it, then that's all that matters. Same with Jarre's 'Oxygene 7-13'. It
wasn't as good as the original 'Oxygene', but, on it's own merits, it was a
good album!
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From:
Marcelo Gutierrez
Hi Gang,
I think the person who is behind 'Free System Projekt' also is a
subscriber to the Tadream mailing list.
Anyway, if you want to listen to one of the best EM album from this
year, go and buy the 'Pointless reminder' cd. It has been reviewed on
the 'Synth Music Direct' homepage, see 'http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk',
and I agree a 100%. To quote the reviewer: 'And again, oh the melodies'.
Heiko
n.p.: Arcane: Gather darkness...WOW!
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From:
'Heiko Heerßen'
From:
Joel Mullen
From:
Richard Ford Personally, I found nothing wrong whatsoever with Tubular Bells III or The
>Millennium Bell (which, infact is NOT another TB sequel).
I haven't heard about Millennium Bell being released. When did that
happen.
--
Richard Ford
From:
Owens James
From:
Owens James
From:
'Steve Yensen'
From:
Sean Montgomery Mars Polar Lander should be down by now. Hopefully the landing went well
Indeed. I was watching CNN's coverage of the event...and so far no
communication has been received from the lander.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Erik Sanborn' From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
>> N.P. Mike Oldfield - The Millennium Bell ..... thumbs up from me anyway =)
>
>Say, is that one yet another Tubular Bells sequel ??
I dunno, I don't have it yet. It's supposed to have a theme loosely based
on the last 2000 years of history, with tubular bells thrown in for good
measure. Woo-HOO! :-)
>Being a huge fan of Mike Oldfield I wasn't overall impressed by TB III.
>In fact I already sold it again. Hopefully there's no one running an
>Oldfield fan club subbed here, who tries to convince me it is any good. No
one can!
>;-)
>
>Best Regards
>
>Jens
Well, I'm not a member of any MO fan club but I've been a MO fan for
slightly longer than I've been a TD fan. (Don't ask how long. ;-) I happen
to think TB III is the best thing MO has done in quite some time. I didn't
think that when I first listened to the album but I have really grown to
like it. A friend of mine found this review on the web (source unknown)
that really sums it up for me:
==================
>I have every reason to really hate this album:
>*Another Tubular Rehash -- like MO has to name them 'Tubular Bells' in order
>to sell.
>*This is less a recreation of the original TB and more of a sequel.
>Reviewers rhapsodize about TB themes popping up throughout this one... but
>really, what's the deal? MO has hidden themes from the original TB in just
>about every album since 'Platinum'.
>*'The Top of The Morning' - In which MO ventures dangerously into territory
>blazed (?) by John Tesh and Yanni.
>*MO has been playing the same @!!* guitar solo for 20 years.
>*The recurring three note theme throughout this CD is derived directly from
>NBC-TV's old three-note sonic logo.
>*Gratuitious pop song 'Man in the Rain' is really an uncredited 'Moonlight
>Shadow II'
>*Ask yourself: does the world really need a 'Tubular Bells' you can dance
>to?
>HOWEVER... I can't stop playing this CD because the considerable talent of
>Mike Oldfield somehow makes it work in spite of itself. And besides... a
>derivative instrumental Mike Oldfield is still light years ahead of the
>derivative pop song Mike Oldfield.
==================
Yeah, it's derivative of several musical styles that are in vogue today
(and will probably be passe' tomorrow) but, it just seems to work really
well, IMHO. If it were not for MO's considerable talent in orchestrating
the multiple layers of sounds, the album would probably seem rather flat,
musically.
Just my $0.03 worth! ($0.02 + inflation)
Cheers,
Erik
np: TD - Sonic Render
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'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
To: ''tadream''
Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 9:21 PM
Subject: [tadream] Mars Polar Lander touches down today
> From: Owens James
>
> Mars Polar Lander should be down by now. Hopefully the landing went well
> and we'll get to hear what Mars sounds like (Besides TD's impressions of
> Mars from 'Mars Polaris').
>
It seems another $ 165 Million down the pan .
They could have given me a quarter of that and I would have told them the
answer. NO there is no Life on Mars.
'Orch '
From:
'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)' From: Owens James
>
>Mars Polar Lander should be down by now. Hopefully the landing went well
>and we'll get to hear what Mars sounds like (Besides TD's impressions of
>Mars from 'Mars Polaris').
Just heard on the news it touched ground one hour ago. MPL was not able to
transmit video or audio yet, for unknown reasons.
all the best
glenn
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'Michael A Jean' -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Ford [mailto:richard@z...]
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 1:10 PM
> To: tadream@o...
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Oldfield - MB
>
>
> From: Richard Ford
>
> >Personally, I found nothing wrong whatsoever with Tubular Bells
> III or The
> >Millennium Bell (which, infact is NOT another TB sequel).
>
> I haven't heard about Millennium Bell being released. When did that
> happen.
> --
> Richard Ford
>
> > Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing
> original messages in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed
> from this list), send a blank e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://tadream.copfer.com
>
>
From:
Quarlie@xxx.xxx
Date: Sat Dec 4, 1999 7:44
am
Subject: D: Studio [Cyclone]
I ended up not writing a review of 'Encore' because I find it staggeringly
dull (though I mean no offense to its fans when I say that) and I couldn't
convince myself to sit down and review it. This album is a bit more
interesting to me, though.
As a side note, I have the 1995 Griffin edition of this album with the dunes
on the cover. If anyone knows of a source for the SBM version, please let me
know.
---
1. Bent Cold Sidewalk
I like the spoken intro. Certainly unlike anything else TD's ever done. From
the moment the music appears, it's obvious that this album is quite a
departure from what came before. It's a pretty simple tune, driven by Klaus
Krieger's drums rather than sequences, and Steve Jolliffe is of course
singing over it. I'm among the ones who think his vocals work well here, and
I agree with Lawry that the double-tracked effect is cool.
I especially like the recurring theme that makes its first appearance at
1:37. I suspect it might be supposed to sound like a horn, but I'm not
certain.
These lyrics are pretty strange. I admit, the meaning escapes me, but I like
the overall effect. At about 4:15, an instrumental segment begins. A subtle,
unchanging sequence, some high-pitched pseudo-strings, and a bunch of Steve's
wind instruments, with a few nice keyboard parts. Klaus taps around on the
cymbals, adding to the atmosphere. Starting at about 7:33 is some more
filtered speech, first whispered English and then sort of shouted nonsense
(as far as I know; that's what the lyrics document at TD's site said). A
second sequence, partly evoking 'Ricochet' somehow, joins in, and the flute
reappears for a nice bit of frenetic improvisation. The drums return, with a
keyboard lead. I didn't notice it until now (about 9:30), but a bass version
of the segment's main sequence is playing at the same time. Of course, now
that I notice it, it fades away.
Back to the vocals and three-chord tune. After a reprise of the 'upon this
key' verse, the chorus (my favorite part) begins. The lyrics are even
stranger here (laying the table with dusty plates?...), but it sounds so
majestic and powerful.
Part of the left channel drops out during the third time through the chorus.
As I recall, this also happened on the original (unremastered) Virgin CD
edition. Does it happen on the SBM too? It doesn't bother me too much,
fortunately.
Steve returns to garbled nonsense to close the song. I suppose I could have
done without that, but it doesn't detract from anything. Very interesting
track, and I like it a lot.
---
2. Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender
Well, the title isn't that weird for TD (compare it to 'The Big Sleep in
Search of Hades,' for instance), but it's not the kind of phrase you'd really
expect to hear someone sing. But Steve Jolliffe does sing it, along with a
whole bunch of other random, bizarre things. That's all I'll say about the
lyrics to this track.
It's faster and more rock-like than any earlier TD piece than I can think of.
I like the music, but it's hard to describe individual elements because
everything is going on at the same time, rather than each layer being added
individually. The vocals are performed in a suitably weird style. I preferred
the singing in 'Bent Cold Sidewalk.' The drumming is quite good here, but for
some reason it's rather muted.
That's about all there is to say about this one. Enjoyable, but more
conventional than what you might expect from TD. It's also kind of short
(about five minutes), but considering the lack of variety in the song, it
probably shouldn't have gone on much longer.
---
3. Madrigal Meridian
Nice title. The 20:32 epic starts with some big, scary noises. After a minute
or so there's a not especially music-like sequence. (On a compilation, I
heard a Popol Vuh track--'Ich Mache Einen Spiegel'--which features a similar
sound.) Strange though not really unpleasant noises continue, and then that
repeating chord appears. Its pitch rises, with accompanying high-pitched
ethereal keyboards, until a simple bass sequence appears, soon after the
three-minute mark. The sequence, another keyboard line (sounds like the same
instrument that played the 'recurring theme' I mentioned in track 1), and the
drums all share center stage for a while. I love this part; it's very driving
and intense. It goes on for a while, but I don't mind.
A more complex sequence appears for just a little while at about 5:30 before
giving way to a keyboard solo of sorts. Then it reappears for another little
while, and gives way to some weird sound effects. I have no idea how those
are made.
A really fast synth part appears at about 8:20 and takes turns with some drum
hits. The beat becomes steady again, and a different but equally fast bit,
presumably on the same device, arrives and zooms around for a while. An
intense new bass sequence fades in as the old one fades out, just in time for
Edgar's guitar solo. This part rocks. No other term is appropriate.
After the guitar fades away, a very violin-like sound takes the lead. It has
moments when it doesn't sound like a real violin, and moments when it really
does. The 'Solina string ensemble' listed under Edgar's name in the credits
makes me wonder.
The first bass sequence returns as the song starts to wind down. A horn-like
keyboard line replaces the 'violin' for the time being. Eventually the drums
depart, the 'violin' makes a brief reappearance, and some chords (sounding a
bit like a harpsichord) are played for a while. A somber melody evolves from
the chords as a flute joins in around 18:35. This is the only Jolliffe
contribution that I can specifically determine in this track, though there
were probably others. It's rather nice.
As the song ends, only string sounds remain. The ending is a bit sad, but
with an element of 'we'll be back next year.'
---
This is an intense album. I can see why some wouldn't like it, especially the
second track, but I find myself in the 'it's good but I don't listen to it
very often' group. I really prefer the album that came after it.
--Daniel (Quarlie)
NP: the Orb--Orblivion
From:
'Paul Fellows'
From:
'Lawry Simm'
From:
'Michael A Jean'
From:
Gustavo Jobim I assume Edgar is talking here about Kraftwerk?
>('We are ze Robots...') is a line from one of their songs (I can't remember
>which).
>
>James
The song is The Robots, from an album called The Man-Machine.
There's another one called Showroom Dummies, from Trans-Europe Express, in
which they sing 'We are showroom dummies, we are showroom dummies...'
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gustavo Jobim >*'The Top of The Morning' - In which MO ventures dangerously into territory
>>blazed (?) by John Tesh and Yanni.
That's probably my favourite music in this album! It's very, very good!
And I don't see any Yanni in there.
And TB3 is excellent.
gfj, playing Calypso part 2 (Waiting for Cousteau)
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gustavo Jobim Madrigal...
>Great track.
>The sequencer are imo a bit thin sounding and not too well
>developed but as I would say in dutch: het loopt.
>which means absolutely nothing in english I guess: it walks.
Maybe you could translate to 'it's OK' or 'it works'.
gfj,np Calypso from Waiting for Cousteau
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
colin_anderson@xxxxx.xxx
Date: Sun Dec 5, 1999 3:12
am
Subject: Cyclone
To throw in my two cents, it's definitely a love it or hate it TD album.
I got introduced to td through Cyclone by my mates who were into The Who,
Floyd, etc and they all thought Cyclone was one of these sort of trendy,
ground-breaking albums. For me, the jury was well and truly out on the
first play, not helped by mis-hearing the third line of Bent Cold Sidewalk
which I thought (and still think.....) was:
'And as our dog-gie comes over'
What the hell was this all about? So Cyclone got taped
just in case I listened to it again), returned to my mates,
who I slagged-off for wasting my time and I went back to my normal stuff.
A week later, thought I'd give Cyclone another try and - whatever happened
in the space of a week - all the vocoder and lyrics sort of filtered thru'
and after another few plays, it all clicked into place and I've been a
td-freak ever since.
That Cyclone experience still holds for every td release that comes along.
On first play I just don't get it, I wish it could be more accessible
and that I could remember the tracks, then after a few plays they get
sorted out. Ok, this is same music experience that everyone else has,
but with td these days, after the tracks sort themselves out, I find
that I'm hitting the 'skip' button on the cd more and more often, even
tho' I much prefer the current td sound to the mid-80s and Encore-type
thing.
As for my mates, well, Cyclone was the only td release that ever made
it for them - Force Majeure was ok, just, and I could never persuade
them to get into Tangram and everything after that - they all thought,
and still do, that it's robotic, German crap. Sheesh!
Cheers for now, folks.
C
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From:
Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx
Date: Sun Dec 5, 1999 4:32
am
Subject: Re: mis-heard lyrics
In a message dated 12/5/99 3:13:44 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
colin_anderson@e... writes:
<< For me, the jury was well and truly out on the
first play, not helped by mis-hearing the third line of Bent Cold Sidewalk
which I thought (and still think.....) was:
'And as our dog-gie comes over' >>
*LOL!!! THAT is truly one of the funniest mis-heard lyrics
I've ever read... up there with (To the tune of Smoke on the water)
'Slow motion Walter, the fire engine guy'
or (to the tune of 'Michelle'... the French part)
'Someday monkey play piano song'
Poly
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From:
Klaus Beschorner
Date: Sun Dec 5, 1999 8:13
am
Subject: Klaus is on holiday...
... from Dec. 6 to 20, and I won't be reading my email until
I return.
Letters and packets, even registred, will be received normally
during this time.
all the best
klaus
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From:
Quarlie@xxx.xxx
Date: Sun Dec 5, 1999 8:49
am
Subject: Re: mis-heard lyrics
In a message dated 12/4/99 11:32:39 PM, you wrote:
>THAT is truly one of the funniest mis-heard lyrics
>I've ever read... up there with (To the tune of Smoke on the water)
>'Slow motion Walter, the fire engine guy'
>or (to the tune of 'Michelle'... the French part)
>'Someday monkey play piano song'
From:
Quarlie@xxx.xxx
Date: Sun Dec 5, 1999 8:51
am
Subject: Re: mis-heard lyrics (OT)
Sorry about that last message! I hit the send button by accident before I had
typed my reply.
In a message dated 12/4/99 11:32:39 PM, Synthhtnys@a... wrote:
>THAT is truly one of the funniest mis-heard lyrics
>I've ever read... up there with (To the tune of Smoke on the water)
>'Slow motion Walter, the fire engine guy'
>or (to the tune of 'Michelle'... the French part)
>'Someday monkey play piano song'
My favorite has always been 'Don't chew on me, baby/don't chew on me, owwww'
(to the Human League's 'Don't You Want Me?').
--Daniel (Quarlie)
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From:
'Marcel Engels' From: Marcelo Gutierrez
>
>I second Heiko's opinion!!
>The CD's second track 'Amalthea' has been on perpetual repeat on my CD
>player ever since I got the CD a few weeks ago, and the rest of the tracks
>are just as good, well done Marcel !
>(and I am not saying this becouse we have almost the same name :)
I don't believe you! You're just saying this because we almost
have the same name! :-)
Thanks Marcelo, I'm just doing what I do with the music.
I will begin to make new material again in the new year
(too busy these christmas days).
Hopefully it won't take too long to have a new album
(Pointless did take a bit long imo...but then again it's finshed
when it's finished).
Later
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
Email :fsp@w...
From:
glynnn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
Date: Sun Dec 5, 1999 2:58
pm
Subject: TD 'concept' albums
Hello there,
>From: 'twosheds' Subject: Re: Le Parc
>>I am now playing le Parc, the album. However, I am not sure from the liner
>>notes if this is a collection if tracks from different projects, or if the
>>songs were written specifically for this album.
>
>Since this is their 'concept' album, I would venture to say that they were
>all written specifically for the album. There's a track, though, that they
It's a bit of a reach to call _Le Parc_ a concept album. Because all the track
titles relate to the same theme? By the same token, _Underwater Sunlight_, off
the top of my head, is another that would fit the bill, and there are probably
more.
Surely _Turn of the Tides_ is a better candidate than either of these. The
story is in the booklet and the track titles follow it. The music even
illustrates the action in parts, as when the galley master, or whatever he's
called, beats time for the slaves at the beginning of 'Galley Slave's Horizon'.
Glynn
P.S. This month's _Mojo_: a HUGE article containing everything you could
possibly want to know about the making of Pink Floyd's _The Wall_. Great stuff.
I thought that the live album was out on Wedensday but no sign of it yet, alas.
np: The Beach Boys - The _Pet Sounds_ Sessions.
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From:
glynnn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
Date: Sun Dec 5, 1999 3:05
pm
Subject: Mis-heard lyrics
>Subject: Re: mis-heard lyrics
>In a message dated 12/5/99 3:13:44 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
>colin_anderson@xxxxx.xxx writes:
><< For me, the jury was well and truly out on the
> first play, not helped by mis-hearing the third line of Bent Cold Sidewalk
> which I thought (and still think.....) was:
> 'And as our dog-gie comes over' >>
>*LOL!!! THAT is truly one of the funniest mis-heard lyrics
>I've ever read... up there with (To the tune of Smoke on the water)
>'Slow motion Walter, the fire engine guy'
>or (to the tune of 'Michelle'... the French part)
>'Someday monkey play piano song'Poly
I was in a band years ago and one of the tracks we covered was Queen's 'Another
One Bites the Dust'. We listened to it over and over again, but the best we
could come up with for the first line was 'Sting walks merrily down the street,
with the crinkled way I look'. We played it that way and no-one ever seemed to
notice...
Glynn
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Dec 4, 1999 8:24
pm
Subject: Exit
Someone said the list rarely talks about Le Parc, but I've never seen
anyone saying anything about Exit. Is it that bad?
Even the price of this album was lower, when I was seeing the catalog of my
usual importer.
Is there anything wrong about Exit?
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Dec 5, 1999 5:17
pm
Subject: D:Studio [Force Majeure]
1978
Cyclone
1979
-----FORCE MAJEURE-----
1980
Quichotte/Pergamon
Tangram
Hmm.
Force Majeure in one word: WOW!!!!!!
Force Majeure in one sentence: It is unique, fantastic, amazing,
incredible, etc.
This was the 4th album I listened to, after listening to Pergamon and
buying W.Eagle and Poland. (I bought Pergamon a little later)
1.Force Majeure
What a shock! This intro was completely different from what I've heard
before from TD. Classic alien sounds from TD in part 1, the intro.
3:50 - piano! very good! this part serves as bridge and development to part 3.
6:45 - part 3 - IMO, this is the main theme of this track. Those 2 and a
half minutes are some of the best Tadream moments.
8:48 - Things slow down here, almost abruptly, like the 'falling off the
cliff' moment from Phaedra. Then a bridge of more spacey Tangerinesque sounds.
After sometime, the main theme seem to come back in a different version
(never paid attention to confirm this.) The rest of the track is excellent.
2.Cloudburst Flight
I'm sure this is one of the best tracks TD have ever done!
What else can I say? WOW!!!!!!!! Fantastic! Brilliant! (just remembered the
boy with the yellow cap (or yellow coat) from Fast Show...)
3.Thru Metamorphic Rocks
This is the reason why I bought Force Majeure. I was curious about this
malfunctioning that happened when TD was recording this track, which seems
to be that 10-minute sequence from the ending.
I first listened to TMR in the darkness of my bedroom before actually going
to sleep. The intro was quite spooky the first copule of times I listened
to it. Then, a fantastic guitar melody, and that sequence... I like this
part, but somehow I feel uncomfortable listening to those 10 final minutes.
But this part gives FM an endless feel.
All these masterpieces, and TD was only Froese and Franke! (I know, there
was Krieger, but he was only in the drums) Incredible, isn't it?!
FM is 12/10.
gfj
p.s. Is there any TD fan who doesn't like Force Majeure? I'd like to read
what he thinks about it!!!
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sun Dec 5, 1999 5:26
pm
Subject: Re: mis-heard lyrics (OT)
>My favorite has always been 'Don't chew on me, baby/don't chew on me, owwww'
>(to the Human League's 'Don't You Want Me?').
>
>--Daniel (Quarlie)
hahhahah!!
just wanted to add that.
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
DJS
Date: Sun Dec 5, 1999 9:02
pm
Subject: Deadly Care...for $103?!?
I was just perusing Ebay & I noticed that a copy of Deadly Care
(arguably one of the worst TD releases ever!) was going at $103! Either
these bidders are some of the most clueless TD fans in the world or
someone's making a bad joke.
--
Dan J. Schulte
Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
Progressive Electronic Music
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/12/dan_j_schulte.html
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From:
'tom george'
Date: Mon Dec 6, 1999 2:42
am
Subject: Re: Deadly Care...for $103?!?
hey dano,
my guess is that it is a mistake. i saw that yesterday and it made me
want to run home and dust off my copy and get it on ebay. i did that once with
a cd that i saw going real high and i didn't even get a bid. the current high
bidder only has a 3 after his name so that means he is pretty new to ebay. i
will bet he meant to type in 13.50 and accidently slipped a 0 in between the 1
and a 3 and now he is home crying his eyes out. i was thinking that this cd was
one i really liked but then i remembered it was 'Deadly Care'. tom
>From: DJS
>
>I was just perusing Ebay & I noticed that a copy of Deadly Care
>(arguably one of the worst TD releases ever!) was going at $103! Either
>these bidders are some of the most clueless TD fans in the world or
>someone's making a bad joke.
>
>
>--
>Dan J. Schulte
>Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
>Progressive Electronic Music
>http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/12/dan_j_schulte.html
>
>>Please practice listserv etiquette by appropriately editing original messages
in your replies. TO UNSUBSCRIBE (be removed from this list), send a blank
e-mail to tadream-unsubscribe@o...
>Website: http://tadream.copfer.com
>
>
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From:
'Steven Le Vine'
Date: Mon Dec 6, 1999 3:14
am
Subject: Re: Deadly Care...for $103?!?
Hey Dan,
Maybe you should e-mail the highest bidder & clue him/her? in.
It ain't unheard of.
Now Back to FM........... SIGH!
Review to follow.
np. NECTAR OF THE GODS!!!!!! =Force Majeure
Tangdreaming siberkat
> From: DJS
>
> I was just perusing Ebay & I noticed that a copy of Deadly Care
> (arguably one of the worst TD releases ever!) was going at $103! Either
> these bidders are some of the most clueless TD fans in the world or
> someone's making a bad joke.
From:
'tom george'
Date: Mon Dec 6, 1999 3:36
am
Subject: Re: Deadly Care...for $103?!?
let me clear this up. i get 2 cds confused. 'Dead Solid Perfect' which i
consider a run of the mill soundtrack....a typical TD throwoff; and 'Deadly
Care' which i like quite a bit because of its spooky slowmoving but interesting
tunes. when i made the statement below i was thinking of DSP. so i have to
disagree about DC. i can think of much worse ones like 'Three o'clock High',
'Catch me if you Can' and even 'Zoneing'. i wouldn't pay 103.00 for it though.
tom
--
On Sun, 05 Dec 1999 21:42:02 tom george wrote:
>From: 'tom george'
i was thinking that this cd was one i really liked but then i remembered it was
'Deadly Care'. tom
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From:
Chris Richards >
You are correct, though I think the Prophet 5
analogy is slightly misleading, as I believe the
OB-1 actually predated the polyphonic OB synths
(ie the OB-X, OB-8, etc). For what it's worth,
Rush's Geddy Lee also uses one on their classic
Permanent Waves album.
>
I believe I read once that he said he ran it
through a fuzz box and used it on side two of
Tangram, and a lot of people mistook for a
guitar.
>
No, it was indeed programmable, but I believe it
only held like 8 programs.
=====
May you never thirst!
The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris
'You can leave me in the air age if you like
But I'd really like to go back to my own time'
-Bill Nelson, Be Bop Deluxe
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From:
'Steven Le Vine'
From:
'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
From:
'Greg'
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Mon Dec 6, 1999 7:56
am
Subject: D:Studio [Force Majeure]
The first happy TD album?
Well, the first TD album to DARE to use major scales, anyway ;-)
I think it's the most fleshed out, natural (and finished) sounding
TD album by the Franke/Froese combination.
I have memories of playing it for friends when it came out who hadn't heard
TD before that elicited comparisons to the Alan Parsons Project and Fresh
Aire....
ummmm... I can't imagine that being said about earlier TD.. ;-)
Force Majeure
Typical abstract TD intro... I think the cello gives this section a touch of
class...
An actual chord progression in the string sound too!!! Then the pulsing bass
and electric grand introduce a change, and I want to mention that when I
first
heard this part back in '79 I saw that the old TD was gone... They had
morphed
into a new entity that included a Disco beat, prog touches, and an almost
jazz-fusion sensibility... There was MUCH more emphasis on melody and
chord progressions, though they still had the trippy effects, and synth
dominance
that we had come to love them for. I Think Johannes Schmoelling gave them
a classy touch and great keyboard skills, but this album shows that they were
heading that way before J.S. hooked up with them. There is quite a shift in
composing from this point on... I admit a personal preference for the Baumann
years, but they clearly still have the magic here...
My favorite part on this piece would have to be the sequence that starts up
at
about 12:00 ***GORGEOUS***!!! Force Majeure (as an album) extends the
Stratosfear explorations in compositional structures with several parts, as
opposed to the longer, rather unchanging moods of the earlier works.
Cloudburst Flight
The intro guitar is a twelve-string (not a nylon) also a reference to
Stratosfear's
intro, though a bit more vital and crisp in the mix. Nice touches such as the
backwards cymbal/forward cymbal pan between the speakers, and a very majestic
theme. At 4:19 you can hear very clearly where they were switching from one
guitar in a very abrupt crossfade. Getting into kind of Proggy territory
here...
Another abrupt edit can be heard at 5:31, but it doesn't hurt the flow of
music.
At 6:00 here's a classic TD chord and melody structure that is echoed
throughout the 80's.
Thru Metamorphic Rock
Morph is a good word to have as part of the title on this one. The part
emerging at 4:45 is a beautiful example of using a vocoder with percussion
for killer synth
rhythms. For some reason, listening to it now, it seems like a more fully
realized
version of Madrigal Meridian... much more complete, but a similar tonality.
One thing that strikes me is how the first section doesn't really seem to fit
this
later part... kind of a forced fit.
This album has majestic, magical moments that IMHO proved more fully than
Cyclone that they could carry on without Peter Baumann.
Poly
From:
colin_anderson@xxxxx.xxx
Date: Mon Dec 6, 1999 9:49
am
Subject: Cyclone mis-heard lyrics - Part 2
G'day folks,
Didn't mean to start a whole 'what the hell is that they've just said'
thing, but after posting my last entry re Bent Cold Sidewalk, I remembered
there was another lyric on Cyclone I mis-heard first or second playing.
Had another listen and it's on Rising Runner, last verse, second last line:
'Bracing hands and home-grown gnomes'
Maybe td should do another Cyclone-ish vocal-set so we can keep our interest
going - it'd sure beat the bland stuff like Mars P and What a B.
Last word on the mis-heard lyric front. Paul Young, cover version of 'Every
time you go away':
'Every time you go away.... you take a piece of meat..... with you.....'
Not as good as Glyn's Queen piss-take tho'!
C
np - Leftfield, Song of Life, from 'Leftism'
From:
Attila Gyory wrote:
> Someone said the list rarely talks about Le Parc,
> but I've never seen
> anyone saying anything about Exit. Is it that bad?
>
> Even the price of this album was lower, when I was
> seeing the catalog of my
> usual importer.
>
> Is there anything wrong about Exit?
>
> gfj
> ---
> Gustavo F. Jobim
> gustavfj@m...
> gustavofj@h...
>
Hi Gustavo!
Don't hesitate, go get Exit. It was my first TD album,
and it's a great one from the Schmoelling-era.
Attila
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From:
Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx
Date: Mon Dec 6, 1999 10:39
am
Subject: Re: Exit
In a message dated 12/6/99 10:17:34 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
atasoft760209@y... writes:
<< Hi Gustavo!
Don't hesitate, go get Exit. It was my first TD album,
and it's a great one from the Schmoelling-era.
Attila _ >>
*I just wanted to second that. 'Pilots of the Purple Twilight' and 'Network
23' are great rocking TD pieces. 'Remote viewing' has an almost contact
high effect, very trippy... I've always considered Exit one of my favorite
underrated albums....
Poly
From:
craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx
Date: Mon Dec 6, 1999 11:05
am
Subject: Re: Exit
>--- Gustavo Jobim wrote:
>> Someone said the list rarely talks about Le Parc,
>> but I've never seen
>> anyone saying anything about Exit. Is it that bad?
>>
>> Even the price of this album was lower, when I was
>> seeing the catalog of my
>> usual importer.
>>
>> Is there anything wrong about Exit?
Gustavo,
Asking this list whether you should buy an album is pointless. With over 250
members, there'll always be _someone_ who thinks the album in question is a
'must have' (as per Atilla and P(oly)aul's recent posts).
There will also likely be, among the 250, those who do not like the album in
question. I am one of those as far as Exit is concerned. It has never worked
for me, and is one of my least listened TD albums. The album has six short
tracks (longest less than 10 minutes) and has quite a 'commercial'/pop feel to
it in many places (Choronzon is a great pop tune, for example). If I force
myself to sit and listen to this, it is okay, but it rarely gets selected as a
'random' choice.
The only way to find out if anything's wrong with it is to buy it yourself.
Haven't you heard enough TD yet to know that you _must_ own every album they've
ever produced? 8-))
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From:
James Joystick
From:
'Craig Chambers'
Date: Sun Dec 5, 1999 10:54
pm
Subject: Re: TD 'concept' albums
>P.S. This month's _Mojo_: a HUGE article containing everything you could
possibly want to know about the making of Pink Floyd's _The Wall_. Great
stuff. I thought that the live album was out on Wedensday but no sign of it
yet, alas.
The new street date is February 7th :-(
Apparently there were some production hangups in the studio...I guess old
Dave is doing his own bit of Tangentization...
Craig
From:
DJS
Date: Mon Dec 6, 1999 3:05
am
Subject: Re: Deadly Care...for $103?!?
tom george wrote:
>
> From: 'tom george'
>
> hey dano,
> my guess is that it is a mistake. i saw that yesterday and it made me
want to run home and dust off my copy and get it on ebay. i did that once with
a cd that i saw going real high and i didn't even get a bid. the current high
bidder only has a 3 after his name so that means he is pretty new to ebay. i
will bet he meant to type in 13.50 and accidently slipped a 0 in between the 1
and a 3 and now he is home crying his eyes out. i was thinking that this cd was
one i really liked but then i remembered it was 'Deadly Care'. tom
Whewee, I hope it was a mistake. I only got about $13 for mine over a
year ago & was getting real bummed. Besides, several online mail order
shops still have it for $16. Oh well, my extra copy of EO made up for
that when I sold it ;-p. Ugh, what an evil soundtrack. Silva Screen is
infamous for releasing CRAP, mastering and quality wise. I'll bet most
fans here didn't know that on Dead Solid Perfect there's a track called
Deja Vu.....because they screwed up & put the same track on twice. Nope,
I'm not kidding.
--
Dan J. Schulte
Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
Progressive Electronic Music
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/12/dan_j_schulte.html
From:
'Poulton, Larry'
Date: Mon Dec 6, 1999 4:21
pm
Subject: D:Studio [Force Majeure]
Its 1979 - I'm taking my GCSE's (age 16) and John Peel (UK radio DJ) has the
audacity to play Cloudburst Flight on his late night show. Whats a guy gonna
do? .......rush out and buy it of course (clear vinyl too).
Force Majeure
This is too 'bitty' for my liking. Its more like one of those Ibiza club
medleys. Having said that, there are some STONG tunes in here. Very
pop/rock. A little too MOR for me though.
Cloudburst Flight
The biz - acoustic guitars, white noise, string synths, cool sqequence and
....THOSE ELECTRIC GUITARS - destination:crescendo city.
Nuff said
Thru Metamorphic Rock
Interesting for it persistance. What would it have been like if the
sequencer hadn't jammed?
Overall 5/10 (Cloudburst flight 10/10)
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From:
jwhite@s...
Date: Mon Dec 6, 1999 6:34
pm
Subject: D:Studio [Force Majeure] & Misc.
Hi, folks,
First to Greg: I don't know that anyone likes older TD because of the memories
or better times or such, per se. I think that a lot of people may be more
inclined to like older TD for those reasons, however. Me, being a fan only a
few years now, like just about everything they've ever done (that I've heard,
anyway). However, I tend to argue in favor of *newer* TD work simply because I
think so much of it is excellent (especially compared to the absolute *crap*
that pervades the market today) and people tend not to recognize that.
Now to FM: Not my favorite album, I like it in spots. Some parts are simply
divine, other parts are just average. Parts of the Force Majeure title track
drag on a bit, I think. Cloudburst Flight is excellent from beginning to end.
Funny, I first heard FM from the excerpts on Dream Sequence, so I got used to
having Cloudburst Flight come *before* Force Majeure. It was weird having to
re-orient myself when I finally got FM. But, anyway, I was going to say next
that Thru Metemorphic Rocks leaves me cold. Sorry, I really think the track
is rather a throw-away. The beginning is uninspired, and the main sequence
later on that sounds so brilliant, futuristic, and ahead-of-its-time is ruined
because of its unneccesary length. No, it's not that I have a short attention
span, as Phaedra is one of my favorite Baumann years albums.
That said, I think Edgar and Christoph did a great job with propelling TD to
new directions on FM. I haven't heard anything at all of Cyclone yet, so I
don't know how revolutionary FM is in reality. All I know is it's a heck of a
lot different than Encore! ;) Oh, and I just *LOVE* M. Krieger's drumming --
superb!
One more thing -- To Glynn: I love Turn of the Tides if nothing else than
because it's one of TD's best concept albums that I've heard. It's also the
first TD album I got that sealed my fate as a die-hard TD fan. I loved it
instantly. Twenty years from now, I'll be going on about the good ol' days of
Turn of the Tides like some of you do about the 70's! ;)
Guess that's all for now. Keep those reviews comin'!
Take care, folks,
Jared
P. S. So the Mars Polar lander is dead, it seems. Bummer. I guess Edgar and
Jerome aren't going to be too happy about the fact that Mars Polaris will be
associated with a failed mission. No comment. :)
From:
'twosheds'
Date: Mon Dec 6, 1999 7:18
pm
Subject: Re: TD 'concept' albums
>>I am now playing le Parc, the album. However, I am not sure from the liner
>>notes if this is a collection if tracks from different projects, or if the
>>songs were written specifically for this album.
>
>Since this is their 'concept' album, I would venture to say that they were
>all written specifically for the album. There's a track, though, that they
>It's a bit of a reach to call _Le Parc_ a concept album. Because all the
track titles relate to the same theme? >By the same token, _Underwater
Sunlight_, off the top of my head, is another that would fit the bill, and
there >are probably more.
>Surely _Turn of the Tides_ is a better candidate than either of these. The
story is in the booklet and the track >titles follow it. The music even
illustrates the action in parts, as when the galley master, or whatever he's
>called, beats time for the slaves at the beginning of 'Galley Slave's
Horizon'.
Perhaps they all are, but the notes in their '86 NA tour book refer to it as
the TD 'concept album.' You'll note that each of the albums you mentioned
came after Le Parc.
Scott
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Mon Dec 6, 1999 7:27
pm
Subject: Re: mis-heard lyrics (OT)
> >My favorite has always been 'Don't chew on me, baby/don't chew on me, owwww'
> >(to the Human League's 'Don't You Want Me?').
My favourite was used as a title of a book full of misheard song
lyrics...from Jimi Hendrix's Purple Haze: '...'scuse me while I kiss this
guy'
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
Derk
Date: Mon Dec 6, 1999 9:53
pm
Subject: Album publicity
>Someone said the list rarely talks about Le Parc, but I've never seen
>anyone saying anything about Exit. Is it that bad?
Absolutely not, as far as I'm concerned! Kiev Mission and Choronzon are
among my favourite TD tracks. The rest of the album ain't half bad either.
Are albums like White Eagle, Hyperborea and Underwater Sunlight bad? I
don't think so, though they don't come up in discussions very often...
The fact that an album gets little discussion doesn't necessarily mean it's
bad! On the contrary: bad albums often get slagged off and as such get more
publicity! On the other hand, so do the really classic albums, thereby
overshadowing the 'less classic' ones. In the specific case of Exit,
remember that it has to compete with a very illustrous predecessor...
Derk
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From:
'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
Date: Mon Dec 6, 1999 10:50
pm
Subject: Re: Deadly Care...for $103?!?
----- Original Message -----
From: 'DJS'
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 9:02 PM
Subject: [tadream] Deadly Care...for $103?!?
> From: DJS
>
> I was just perusing Ebay & I noticed that a copy of Deadly Care
> (arguably one of the worst TD releases ever!) was going at $103! Either
> these bidders are some of the most clueless TD fans in the world or
> someone's making a bad joke.
>
Hey Dan I agree but have you listened to Transsiberia lately ?
This one is way up near the top of my worst ever TD releases.
' Orch '
From:
'Greg'
Date: Mon Dec 6, 1999 11:23
pm
Subject: Re: Album publicity
> From: Derk
>
> >Someone said the list rarely talks about Le Parc, but I've never seen
> >anyone saying anything about Exit. Is it that bad?
>
> Absolutely not, as far as I'm concerned! Kiev Mission and Choronzon are
> among my favourite TD tracks. The rest of the album ain't half bad either.
> Are albums like White Eagle, Hyperborea and Underwater Sunlight bad? I
> don't think so, though they don't come up in discussions very often...
> The fact that an album gets little discussion doesn't necessarily mean
it's
> bad! On the contrary: bad albums often get slagged off and as such get
more
> publicity! On the other hand, so do the really classic albums, thereby
> overshadowing the 'less classic' ones. In the specific case of Exit,
> remember that it has to compete with a very illustrous predecessor...
>
> Derk
Rockoon is that bad either and now I know I'll get flamed but it's always
mentioned
in a bad way but I see it as one of the albums that really influences TD's
direction soundwise.
Real question here: How can one differentiate between Edgar's harpsichord
sound
and his 12-string guitar? I seem to think more people think it's the harpsi
than the
guitar. I think Edgar puts his 12-string through sound etherial sounding
filters, like
one that sounds like there are metal hollow chimes on the strings (could be
all synth tho..)
I don't think it's a bad sound, just a bit repeatative at times. I guess
it's a 'band'
thing to have a 'sound' to call their own.
Greg H.
NP: Rockoon 'Penguin Reference'
From:
EFroese@w... (Edgar Froese)
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 2:09
am
Subject: whichCD2buy?
Hello all,
I need your help. A local music store just got in a bunch of TD cd's
that I don't have. I would like your opinion on which one's I should
definitely get...and which one's to skip:
Analogue space years
blue years
pink years
sohoman live
atlantic bridges
atlantic walls
transsiberia
quinoa
dream encores
architecture in motion/what a blast
thanks for the help!
Steve
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From:
DJS
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 12:05
am
Subject: Re: Deadly Care...for $103?!?
> >
> Hey Dan I agree but have you listened to Transsiberia lately ?
> This one is way up near the top of my worst ever TD releases.
> ' Orch '
Heh, as most here already know, I'm not a fan of the 90's TD at all.
There are a very few exceptions but I pretty much own nothing of their
last dozen releases. After Hollywood years left a bad taste in my mouth
I decided to try one last time with Valentine Wheels. I of course sold
that tangetized piece o' crud with no future intentions of buying new
TDream unless it's vintage & untangetized. Let's hope Sonic Images gets
that Streek Hawk OST out. THAT I'd buy.
--
Dan J. Schulte
Rakinik Intertype-http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/2140/
Progressive Electronic Music
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/12/dan_j_schulte.html
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 2:12
am
Subject: Re: D:Studio [Force Majeure]
>I do want to mention that I think Force Majeure will NOT be remembered
>as THE TD great many many years from now. I think the real drumming and
>70's prog rock feel age it quicker than any other album.
I agree, it seems a BIT aged, IMO. Very progressive, but with electronics.
I think the great TD probably will be represented by albums like Tangram,
Stratosfear, Force Majeure, Ricochet, maybe Poland, from the blue years, Le
Parc, Zeit, as a unique (or maybe very different) album. These albums are
some of their very classics.
>'Cloudburst Flight' although joins 'White Eagle' as two tracks that I feel
>are about as perfect as can be. They are basically when everything feels put
>together right all the way through.
Indeed, they're perfect.
>I enjoy the first 1/4 of 'Thru Metemorphic Rocks' while the later 3/4 are
>harder
>to grasp--mainly because the variation does not lie with the structure, but
>with the effects used over--cat calls.. screams.. hollow drums.. ect.
>
>4/5 AS
Never heard of that malfunctioning? That was the subject of my first
question to this list, when I subscribed. What we seemed to agree (or
someone knew about it, I dunno) was that probably this malfunctioning
caused the sequence of the second part of Thru M.R. to be looped endlessly.
The group decided to go on, making some noises and following the sequence,
and when they finished recording, they didn't know if they should or
shouldn't re-record the track. They decided to leave it that way. I'm glad
they did it, it's good anyway. It is a very hard part indeed, 10 minutes,
but it's good. IMO it gives Force Majeure a 'bigger' feel, as if the album
was much bigger than it is.
>For the argument that
>people like
>old TD because of good memories and better times in the past is wrong! I
>love
>Phaedra and I'm only 21 and have yet do any drugs or consume intoxicating
>levels
>of alcohol in my life!
I'm in that category too!! And I'm 17! Started listening TD when I was 16
(August,1999)! And I love Phaedra too :)
>My girlfrend and I also enjoy Tyger and I have
>special
>like for Underwater Sunlight and Poland.
Yeah, Poland is very good. But I'm still buying mostly Virgin years stuff.
I decided to go to the Pink years later, then the Blue years and then the
later albums, but probably buying Mars Polaris soon.
>Sorry for the extra info but if someone wants to argue, then they know where
>I'm comin from :)
>
>Greg H.
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 2:28
am
Subject: Re: D:Studio [Force Majeure]
>...Then the pulsing bass
>and electric grand introduce a change, and I want to mention that when I
>first
>heard this part back in '79 I saw that the old TD was gone... They had
>morphed
>into a new entity that included a Disco beat, prog touches, and an almost
>jazz-fusion sensibility... There was MUCH more emphasis on melody and
>chord progressions, though they still had the trippy effects, and synth
>dominance
>that we had come to love them for. I Think Johannes Schmoelling gave them
>a classy touch and great keyboard skills, but this album shows that they
were
>heading that way before J.S. hooked up with them. There is quite a shift in
>composing from this point on... I admit a personal preference for the
Baumann
>years, but they clearly still have the magic here...
You know, TD NEVER stopped changing, IMO. Maybe sometimes they changed
slowly (Pink Years? I don't know), but they've always been changing,
differently from , for example, Jean-Michel Jarre. He started changing
styles (but never losing his own Jarrestyle) only after 12 years of albums,
with Revolutions, IMO.
TD was very experimental in the beginning - EM, then they started going
spacey, but still experimental - AC, Zeit, Atem, GD - then the experimental
started to give way to the sequencer age - Phaedra, Rubycon, then they
started to make more melodic tracks, with Stratosfear, but always keeping
their experimentalism, spacey sounds, sequences, etc..... If you follow
their discography, you can see they never stopped with the same style or
kind of album.
And this metamorphic nature of Tangerine Dream, always changing members,
certainly helped their way of changing styles.
Force Majeure (as an album) extends the
>Stratosfear explorations in compositional structures with several parts, as
>opposed to the longer, rather unchanging moods of the earlier works.
Don't you think Force Majeure (the track)'s structure is very similar to
Tubular Bells' part 1 structure?
>Cloudburst Flight
>At 6:00 here's a classic TD chord and melody structure that is echoed
>throughout the 80's.
Never noticed that... Quichotte part 1!
>Thru Metamorphic Rocks
>One thing that strikes me is how the first section doesn't really seem to
fit
>this
>later part... kind of a forced fit.
They've done that before... Piano ending, Invisible Limits, Stratosfear.
>Poly
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Jared White
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 2:45
am
Subject: Re: Album publicity
> From: 'Greg'
>
> Rockoon is that bad either and now I know I'll get flamed but it's always
> mentioned
> in a bad way but I see it as one of the albums that really influences TD's
> direction soundwise.
You do mean 'Rockoon *isn't* that bad either', don't you? ;)
Assuming so, yes, I think Rockoon is a lot better than some make it out to
be. I don't think it's brilliant, some of it's rather bad in fact, but some
parts of it I actually love -- not just like, but *love*! For instance, Big
City Dwarves is very forward-looking. I think of it as the prelude to the
'Big Three' set of 90's epic openers. Here's the set as I imagine it:
Prelude: Big City Dwarves
Trilogy: Firetongues, Catwalk, Towards the Evening Star
Epilogue: Comet's Figure Head
There are some other odd pieces here and there on some of the other 90's
albums that seem to be cut from this same mold, but the main body of music
above is how I think of things.
As for the rest of Rockoon, I think Lifted Veil, Rockoon, and Girls on
Broadway are all great. I forget whether I also liked Body Coporate or
Peguin Reference a lot -- I'll have to go listen to it again! :)
I have yet to hear any TD album or body of music that is truly bad -- with
the exception perhaps of Disc 2 on the TDI release of Dream Mixes I. Then
again, I don't have the Hollywood Years discs or Transiberia yet! ;)
> Real question here: How can one differentiate between Edgar's harpsichord
> sound
> and his 12-string guitar?
That harpsichord sound and Edgar's guitar have very different sounds. You
can tell by listening carefully to the same note played over and over. With
the guitar, each time that note is played it has slightly different sonic
characteristics. The harpsichord sound will always be the same, because it's
sample-based. That being said, I think the best melding of guitar and
harpsichord sounds can be found on Rockoon, which is another reason to think
of it as not totally bad.
Regards,
Jared
From:
Jared White
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 3:22
am
Subject: Re: Deadly Care...for $103?!?
> From: DJS
>
> Heh, as most here already know, I'm not a fan of the 90's TD at all.
> There are a very few exceptions but I pretty much own nothing of their
> last dozen releases. After Hollywood years left a bad taste in my mouth
> I decided to try one last time with Valentine Wheels. I of course sold
> that tangetized piece o' crud with no future intentions of buying new
> TDream unless it's vintage & untangetized. Let's hope Sonic Images gets
> that Streek Hawk OST out. THAT I'd buy.
Uh, you *are* award that the Hollywood Years compilations are made up of a
bunch of unreleased material, outtakes, cuts, and throwaways, aren't you?
And have you actually *listened* to any of their *real* releases lately,
like Goblin's Club, Oasis, Dream Mixes II, Architecture in Motion, or Mars
Polaris? If you don't think any of those aren't at least reasonably good, if
not brilliant in parts, you seriously need to have your head examined. And
that's the universal truth, in that my opinion applies to everyone.
Regards,
Jared
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 3:57
am
Subject: RE: whichCD2buy?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edgar Froese [mailto:EFroese@w...]
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 8:10 PM
> To: tadream@o...
> Subject: [tadream] whichCD2buy?
>
>
> From: EFroese@w... (Edgar Froese)
>
> Hello all,
> I need your help. A local music store just got in a bunch of TD cd's
> that I don't have. I would like your opinion on which one's I should
> definitely get...and which one's to skip:
> sohoman live
> transsiberia
> quinoa
> dream encores
> architecture in motion/what a blast
I would start with these five...many of the others are compilations (as is
dream encores)
From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: RE: whichCD2buy?
Get ARCHITECTURE IN MOTION (aka WHAT A BLAST) and QUINOA. Screw
the rest unless you can get 'em for $6.00 or less each -- because
that's about all they're worth.
-- Steven Feldman
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'I don't give a damn on what the journalists are saying. If some dog
pees at a tree, the tree won't fall down!' -- Klaus Kinski
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 3:34
am
Subject: Re: D:Studio [Force Majeure]
>6:47 - Welcome to the main sequence! Curiously, it¹s presented not by the
Moog, but by the 12-string. A classic, cool Franke solo line develops. This
bit sounds more akin to the 90¹s sound.
REALLY!?!?!?!?
If that's true, I'll go for the 90s instead of venturing into
experimentalisms of the early 70s! This is perhaps my favourite 2 minutes
from TD!
>17:42 - A more or less generic ending is pasted along to bring the track
to a proper ending.
Actually, is the same ending of the main theme - 8:56.
>
>2. Cloudburst Flight
>4:20 - ...what seems to be an Edgar keyboard solo recorded at half-speed;
it sounds even more incandescent than the guitar... but...
This is SOOO similar to a guitar to me that I could swear it is a guitar.
Even the cord noises are noticeable...
>5:31 - ...a quiet ending theme suddenly replaces the solo. There is no
continuity from one part to other, in any instrument. They¹re simply
spliced together. What went wrong?
Yeah, it's so strange... This moment, the transition between 5:31 and 5:32,
is the only negative point here. Even then, the track is perfect. Even with
this 'imperfection'.
>3. Thru Metamorphic Rocks
>it¹s clearly 'something important and good is about to happen...'
I had the same expectative the first time I listened to this.
>>...From now on, the sequence only gets more insistent and paranoid, with
the haunting sound effects growing from the sides... Better to go turn on
some lights...
heheheheh
>jjoy
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 3:43
am
Subject: Re: whichCD2buy?
>Hello all,
>I need your help. A local music store just got in a bunch of TD cd's
>that I don't have. I would like your opinion on which one's I should
>definitely get...and which one's to skip:
>Analogue space years
>blue years
>pink years
>sohoman live
>atlantic bridges
>atlantic walls
>transsiberia
>quinoa
>dream encores
>architecture in motion/what a blast
>
>thanks for the help!
>Steve
How come Edgar Froese, the founder and leader of Tangerine Dream, never
heard these albums? :)
I never listened to any of these albums, but from this list, because I have
a collector soul, I'd buy Quinoa. (you know its story, right?)
And I'm tending to buy Analogue Space Years, because they're a good start
if you want to listen to the pink experimental strange years for the first
time. But if you don't want to risk losing your money, skip this one.
I think I didn't help you in any way. Oh, well.
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gustavo Jobim >--- Gustavo Jobim wrote:
>>> Someone said the list rarely talks about Le Parc,
>>> but I've never seen
>>> anyone saying anything about Exit. Is it that bad?
>>>
>>> Even the price of this album was lower, when I was
>>> seeing the catalog of my
>>> usual importer.
>>>
>>> Is there anything wrong about Exit?
>
>Gustavo,
>
>Asking this list whether you should buy an album is pointless. With over 250
>members, there'll always be _someone_ who thinks the album in question is a
>'must have' (as per Atilla and P(oly)aul's recent posts).
>
>There will also likely be, among the 250, those who do not like the album in
>question.
Yeah, I know that, but I can't help myself... But the real point was that I
didn't remember of anyone talking anything about or even mentioning Exit on
this list.
>The only way to find out if anything's wrong with it is to buy it yourself.
>Haven't you heard enough TD yet to know that you _must_ own every album
they've
>ever produced? 8-))
This happened when I bought my third album, FM. Incredibly good start.
>Craig R. J. Cordrey
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gustavo Jobim Are albums like White Eagle, Hyperborea and Underwater Sunlight bad? I
>don't think so, though they don't come up in discussions very often...
>....the really classic albums, thereby
>overshadowing the 'less classic' ones. In the specific case of Exit,
>remember that it has to compete with a very illustrous predecessor...
>
>Derk
I know, but anyway, Exit in particular caught my attention. I think I've
never seen anyone talking about Hyperborea too.
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gustavo Jobim
From:
Gustavo Jobim >I second Heiko's opinion!!
>>The CD's second track 'Amalthea' has been on perpetual repeat on my CD
>>player ever since I got the CD a few weeks ago, and the rest of the tracks
>>are just as good, well done Marcel !
>>(and I am not saying this becouse we have almost the same name :)
>
>I don't believe you! You're just saying this because we almost
>have the same name! :-)
>Thanks Marcelo, I'm just doing what I do with the music.
>I will begin to make new material again in the new year
>(too busy these christmas days).
>Hopefully it won't take too long to have a new album
>(Pointless did take a bit long imo...but then again it's finshed
>when it's finished).
>
>Later
>Marcel
Hey, got those MP3 bits from the Free System Projekt page...
Maybe a little too ambient for me, but anyway, I like them!
Good work!
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Steven Feldman
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
When you try to snort a book up your nose instead of actually reading it,
you get a mess like Mann's 'The Keep.' -- F. Paul Wilson, April 29, 1999
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Gustavo Jobim
From:
Sean Montgomery Maybe I'm a little stupid or something, but where does the word tangentize
> come from? Tangent, from Poland? Remixing in Tangents, the box?
The term comes from the remixing done in Tangents; specifically, the
practice of layering newer, digital sounds over top of older analogue
ones...a marriage which frequently just doesn't sound very good (in the
opinion of many, including myself).
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
PENFOLD From: Synthhtnys@a...
>
>In a message dated 12/6/99 10:17:34 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
>atasoft760209@y... writes:
>
><< Hi Gustavo!
> Don't hesitate, go get Exit. It was my first TD album,
> and it's a great one from the Schmoelling-era.
>
> Attila _ >>
>
>*I just wanted to second that. 'Pilots of the Purple Twilight' and 'Network
>23' are great rocking TD pieces. 'Remote viewing' has an almost contact
>high effect, very trippy... I've always considered Exit one of my favorite
>underrated albums....
>Poly
Exit too was my first TD album.
When TD toured the US in '86 they opened their set @ the Universal Ampitheatre
with 'Pilots of Purple Twilight'.....wow!
Pete Isaacson
DJ DreamHead
mailto:penfold@a...
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road.
If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
-- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to
take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine.
From:
PENFOLD I have yet to hear any TD album or body of music that is truly bad -- with
>the exception perhaps of Disc 2 on the TDI release of Dream Mixes I
try the piece 'Lost Tale' from the KLEM '89 CD
Pete Isaacson
DJ DreamHead
mailto:penfold@a...
'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our
studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road.
If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...'
-- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to
take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine.
From:
PENFOLD
From:
Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 7:30
am
Subject: RE: whichCD2buy?
> From: EFroese@w... (Edgar Froese)
>
>
> Analogue space years
> blue years
> pink years
>
*sohoman live Buy
> atlantic bridges
> atlantic walls
>
*transsiberia Buy
*quinoa Buy
> dream encores
>
*architecture in motion/what a blast Buy
> thanks for the help!
> Steve
>
>
greetings
From:
fsp@w...
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 9:55
am
Subject: mp3s
>From: Gustavo Jobim
>
>Hey, got those MP3 bits from the Free System Projekt page...
>
>Maybe a little too ambient for me, but anyway, I like them!
Ambient?? :-))
I´ve never heard that.
Is Amalthea and/or Faraday or even the session bit with the
screaming guitar and lots of sequencers going on ambient? :-)
>Good work!
Thanks!
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
email :fsp@w...
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From:
Peter.Stoeferle@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59
pm
Subject: Cyclone Lyrics - definitive edition
Hi collectors,
> Message: 2
> Date: 6 Dec 1999 09:49:43 -0000
> From: colin_anderson@e...
> Subject: Cyclone mis-heard lyrics - Part 2
>
> Had another listen and it's on Rising Runner, last verse, second last line:
>
> 'Bracing hands and home-grown gnomes'
I have got the Japanese LP version (VIP-6912) including a text sheet. According
to this, the texts are:
--------------------------------------
RISING RUNNER MISSED BY ENDLESS SENDER
Rising runner
missed by endless sender
never comin' back
rising runner
never coming back
ever runnin' over
Rising runner
you're missed by the endless sender
howlin' winds
dig in your ear
staying cold
and never gettin' warm
You arise
running on and on and on...
Breaking life with cloured stones
something moves inside of those
embracin' patterns long road know
even space is out too far.
--------------------------------------
BENT COLD SIDEWALK
Upon this key time will slide
beyond its lock you lose your mind
and as that door becomes over
a rush of sound is bound inside
creating dreams that pass you by.
You may live through your life a long long time
but you will never know from where it came
yet all see is what you fall into
you're walking forward as you look behind
still watching all those memories fade and die.
Your story's heavy and is deeply stained
with wasted tears that cry to find in vain
you may be sick, feeling quite secure
but listen carefully and this key is yours
for we can lead you far beyond the door.
Upon this key time will slide
beyond its lock you loose your mind
and as that door becomes over
a rush of sound is bound inside
creating dreams that pass you by.
Bent cold sidewalk...
--------------------------------------
What did they sing? 'Listen carefully and this key is yours...'
Quite symbolic...
Greetings,
Peter Stoeferle
NP: TD 'Rot Weiss' (Essen, Grugahalle 1968) - which has in fact already been
circulating as a live tape under the title 'Unknown concert 1972/73'. Strange
(and great!!!) stuff anyway. Some collectors believed that the tape is a
recording from the 'Kapfenberg' event in Austria where TD did their famous
'flipper concert'.
From:
Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 10:46
am
Subject: Re: D:Studio [Force Majeure]
In a message dated 12/7/99 2:32:36 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
gustavfj@m... writes:
<< They've done that before... Piano ending, Invisible Limits, Stratosfear.
gfj >>
* On the contrary, I think the piano ending was completely brilliant.
To my ears it echo's both Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata, and
sequent C' (In the sense of a simple, melodic and acoustic, end of
on album. Yes I know the flute sound was a mellotron, but the effect
is acoustic, especially after the extremely synthetic space that is
Phaedra).
but then again, as it's always pointed out,
any view is completely subjective.
especially music.
Poly
From:
Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 11:01
am
Subject: Re: Cyclone Lyrics - definitive edition (definitely edited)
Now that is some hilarious reading my friend.
Okay, there are 250 of us here right?
How many of us could read Bent Cold Sidewalk aloud with a
straight face....
Be honest.
Personal favorites include:
'You may live through your life a long, long time
But you will never know from where it came.'
and the classic
'You may be sick, feeling quite secure'
As you recite these lyrics you must imagine Edgar's sincerely
intense face looking at you wanting to lead you beyond that door
while he's holding up a spinning hypnotic wheel, and he's surrounded
by millions of unkempt long-haired white teenagers in army jackets
also staring at you. They chant the lyrics along with you.
someone hands you a hooded robe. You don it. next thing you know
you're buying incense somewhere, thinking 'what th...'
This message is brought to you by the
Department of Redundancy Department.
Poly
From:
Derk
From:
Antonio Nunes wrote:
> I think I've
> never seen anyone talking about Hyperborea too.
Hyperborea is one of my all-time favorite albums, together with Tangram.
Since your musical tastes seem to be not very different from mine, and I
mean not only TD but also another artists such as Jean Michel Jarre and
Mike Oldfield, I guess you'll like Hyperborea too.
Antonio Nunes
np: Phoenix 1291 - Universe (J.M.Jarre fans should try this album)
From:
'Heiko Heerßen' No sleep till Tangram!
> Derk
>
YEAH YEAH YEAH!!!!
'Tangram' = The *real* gift for X-mas.
From:
'Heiko Heerßen'
From:
Olle.Rundgren@xxx.xx
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 1:11
pm
Subject: Tangentize
Hi
Nice to get an explantion of tangentize. But if the term was invented when
remixing for Tangents, the technique itself may have been used before as
well. Somebody actually told me that the concert material on Ricochet was
modified in more or less the same way. If so, I could never tell. Anybody
else here who can?
I also found it interesting to learn about the trouble with the sequencer on
Thru Metamorphic rocks. Explains a lot indeed. I always found FM, which
otherwise is a quite pleasant album, an overall failure because of this last
track. Sounds like they simply left the room and let the equipment continue
by itself, and as it turns out that perception isn't totally wrong then.
Bye,
Olle
From:
Nigbur D ----------
> From: Synthhtnys@a...[SMTP:Synthhtnys@a...]
> Reply To: tadream@o...
> Sent: 07 December 1999 11:01
> To: tadream@o...
> Subject: Re: [tadream] Cyclone Lyrics - definitive edition
> (definitely edited)
>
> From: Synthhtnys@a...
>
> and the classic
> 'You may be sick, feeling quite secure'
>
Isn't this supposed to be 'you may be sitting, feeling quite
secure'? That's what I understand him saying. It also makes more sense...
Dennis
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Nigbur D ----------
> From: Steven Feldman[SMTP:AR402004@B...]
> Reply To: tadream@o...
> Sent: 07 December 1999 04:26
> To: Dano; Tangerine Dream mailing list
> Subject: [tadream] Gimme a break!
>
> From: Steven Feldman
>
>
> Don't judge all recent TD by crap like TRANSSIBERIA and VALENTINE
> WHEELS. Get DREAM MIXES II, WHAT A BLAST or especially MARS POLARIS
> and you could well change your mind.
>
Given the musical similarities between TRANSSIBERIA and MARS POLARIS, I find
your judgement of the two quite remarkable. I like them both.
Dennis
From:
Tootiehoot2@xxx.xxx
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 1:39
pm
Subject: TD albums with vocals?
Hey there all. Wanted to ask a quick question. Being I just got into TD about
a year or so ago (slowly but gradually building my collection including some
COOL live material the last 6-7 months thanks to a few online trading pals)
(THANKS), I know that everything I've ever heard of the stunning TD albums
has always been instrumental. Just curious if there ARE any albums out there
(solo or otherwise just regular TD albums) that have ever had vocals on them?
Also just read the posts about concept albums? My honest opinion is that I've
always thought concept albums (From regular bands) were brilliant pieces of
work. I'm a huge prog rock fan, and have ranked the Marillion Cd 'Brave' as
well as Planet P Project 'Pink World' and Saga 'Generation 13' as among the
BEST EVER concept albums out there period except maybe throwing in 'Electric
Castle' by Ayreon (brilliant two cd set with some awesome musicianship on
there as well as vocals). That's why I'd asked about the vocals thing on TD
albums?
dan
Kayleigh's Playhouse - Live Online!
http://members.aol.com/tootiehoot2
Great White/Poison Online Mailing Lists
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Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 1:49
pm
Subject: Re: TD albums with vocals?
>From: Tootiehoot2@a...
[ TD Albums with Vocals ]
There are three albums with 'real' vocals :
Cyclone (1978)
Tyger (1987)
Shy People (1987)
Other tracks use some form of spoken / chanted vocals or vocal effects (e.g.
Kiew Mission from Exit).
[ Concept Albums ]
Given that there are very few albums with vocals, I would have thought that
almost all could have been viewed as 'concept' albums in some way.
My favourite 'concept' album is Queensryche's Operation:Mindcrime. Not much
related to TD, but a superb collection of music none-the-less.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g...
Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187
Alenia Marconi Systems
Integrated Systems Division
Donibristle, Fife, Scotland
--------------------------------------------------------------
From:
Radu Velicescu From: Olle.Rundgren@s...
>
> Hi
> Nice to get an explantion of tangentize. But if the term was invented when
> remixing for Tangents, the technique itself may have been used before as
> well. Somebody actually told me that the concert material on Ricochet was
> modified in more or less the same way. If so, I could never tell. Anybody
> else here who can?
Well, I'm a big fan of 1975 TD, my favorite year. The point here is that
Ricochet was indeed tinkered with but it was done with 1975 equipment -
that's why you can't really tell. Titles like Sohoman, recorded in 1982,
was tangentized with 1998 equipment, an obvious difference. Ricochet 2 is
from Croydon 1975. If you listen to the Croydon show you'll hear more
guitar between the sequencing parts, where on Ricochet 2 is just some
strange noises. Also, the piano part on Ricochet 2 is a studio addon, the
piano intro on Croydon is longer and more complex. Other than this the
two are almost identical. Great re-mixing IMO...
The question still stands... where is Ricochet 1 from?
Radu
np- Croydon 75 - rocks!!
From:
AslanFan1@xxx.xxx
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 2:32
pm
Subject: Thoughts on albums
If I were to choose among these, I'd go with:
NO (old stuff I don't like at all) Analogue space years
NO (pass up the compilations) blue years
NO (pass up the compilations) pink years
NO (there's not much new here, 1 track plus a bridge, the studio versions are
better) sohoman live
NO (pass up the compilations) atlantic bridges
NO (pass up the compilations) atlantic walls
NO (boring)! transsiberia
YES! quinoa
NO (you can get most of these tracks elsewhere as part of official releases)
dream encores
YES! architecture in motion/what a blast
From:
craig.cordrey@xxxx.xxx
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 2:35
pm
Subject: Re: Tangentize
>> From: Olle.Rundgren@s...
>>
>> Hi
>> Nice to get an explantion of tangentize. But if the term was invented when
>> remixing for Tangents, the technique itself may have been used before as
>> well. Somebody actually told me that the concert material on Ricochet was
>> modified in more or less the same way. If so, I could never tell. Anybody
>> else here who can?
Edgar also used an early Tangentizing technique for Solo 74-79, where a number
of tracks were altered. Perhaps again because the time delay between the
original and the 'remix' was shorter, I don't think the changes are as imposing
as some of the later works.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g...
Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187
Alenia Marconi Systems
Integrated Systems Division
Donibristle, Fife, Scotland
--------------------------------------------------------------
From:
Gustavo Jobim >From: Gustavo Jobim
>>
>>Hey, got those MP3 bits from the Free System Projekt page...
>>
>>Maybe a little too ambient for me, but anyway, I like them!
>
>Ambient?? :-))
>I´ve never heard that.
>Is Amalthea and/or Faraday or even the session bit with the
>screaming guitar and lots of sequencers going on ambient? :-)
Well, I listened to them only twice or three times, the day before the day
before yesterday, so maybe I remembered something else...
Anyway, I remember I liked it.
>>Good work!
>
>Thanks!
>
>Marcel
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gustavo Jobim now loading: my Discman batteries....before I can listen to the new
>Kraftwerk Expo 2000 single I just bought today. Excitement!!
>
>Heiko
Don't want to spoil your excitement here, but I listened to some Realaudio
bits of Expo 2000 and I found them a little... not interesting.
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gustavo Jobim << They've done that before... Piano ending, Invisible Limits, Stratosfear.
>
> gfj >>
>
>* On the contrary, I think the piano ending was completely brilliant.
>To my ears it echo's both Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata, and
>sequent C' (In the sense of a simple, melodic and acoustic, end of
>on album. Yes I know the flute sound was a mellotron, but the effect
>is acoustic, especially after the extremely synthetic space that is
>Phaedra).
>but then again, as it's always pointed out,
>any view is completely subjective.
>especially music.
>Poly
I love it too, but I think it could be a different track. On the other
hand, Invisible Limits wouldn't have a good ending without this part.
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
'Lawry Simm' I would like your opinion on which one's I should
>definitely get...and which one's to skip:
>Analogue space years
>blue years
>pink years
>sohoman live
>atlantic bridges
>atlantic walls
>transsiberia
>quinoa
>dream encores
>architecture in motion/what a blast
Given that the 3 'years' titles and the 2 'Atlantic' ones are
compilations of already released material, you can safely give those a
miss.
That leaves you 5. If that's still too many, the order I would buy the
others in (personal choice) would be What A Blast, Dream Encores,
Sohoman, Quinoa, Transsiberia.
Regards,
Lawry
lawrysimm@u...
ICQ # 23267226
Instant Messenger - lawrysimm
From:
'Paul Fellows' Maybe this is old news for my fellow German fans....
>the 'Arte' TV channel features (amongst others) something (don't know
>what) about TD. It's called 'Tracks'. Date: 17.December, Time:
>19.00-19.50.
>(why do I write this in English instead of German language? ....)
Perhaps because I'm English, but live in France, so I get 'Arte' too (this
channel is a Franco-Germanic 'joint venture', for the uninitiated). Thanks
for the info! I was hoping it was the long-promised screening of the
Klangart festival, but according to the last issue of 'Dream Collector' that
won't be shown... as usual, our favourite band has been rejected or
overlooked by the media (not necessarily a bad thing from the band's point
of view of course, but I'm sure a bit more media exposure wouldn't do them
any harm...) anyway, I for one will be taping this...perhaps it's an
interview and a short music extract and video clip to celebrate thae band's
30 years in the business....I don't think it's devoted entirely to TD
anyway.
Paul Fellows
From:
'Carl & Jacqui Kearney'
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 2:09 AM
Subject: [tadream] whichCD2buy?
> From: EFroese@w... (Edgar Froese)
>
> Hello all,
> I need your help. A local music store just got in a bunch of TD cd's
> that I don't have. I would like your opinion on which one's I should
> definitely get...
> architecture in motion/what a blast
>
No Contest Steve IMHO gotta be the above to start with.
Best regards ' Orch '
From:
AOutland@xxx.xxx
Date: Wed Dec 8, 1999 1:27
am
Subject: Re: Cyclone Lyrics - definitive edition (definitely edi ted)
In a message dated 12/7/99 8:25:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
D.Nigbur@r... writes:
<< 'You may be sick, feeling quite secure'
>
Isn't this supposed to be 'you may be sitting, feeling quite
secure'? That's what I understand him saying. It also makes more sense...
Dennis
>>
Your home made lyrics are cracking me up.
You will find the true lyrics of most Tangerine Dream songs at this site:
http://www.cyberden.com/cyberden/database/Lyrics/Tangerine_Dream/
8-) Dell
np: Pathfinder
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Topics in today's digest:
1. Re: Exit
From: Gustavo Jobim
2. Re: Album publicity
From: Gustavo Jobim
3. Heartbreaker: Weak.
From: Gustavo Jobim
4. RE: Free System Projekt
From: Gustavo Jobim
5. Gimme a break!
From: Steven Feldman
6. Tangentize
From: Gustavo Jobim
7. Re: Tangentize
From: Sean Montgomery
8. Re: Exit
From: PENFOLD
9. Re: Album publicity
From: PENFOLD
10. Rockoon
From: PENFOLD
11. RE: whichCD2buy?
From: Bert.Hulshoff@N...
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 4:14
am
Subject:
Subject: Re: Exit
>>--- Gustavo Jobim
wrote:
>>> Someone said the list rarely talks about Le
Parc,
>>> but I've never seen
>>> anyone saying anything about Exit. Is it that
bad?
>>>
>>> Even the price of this album was lower, when
I was
>>> seeing the catalog of my
>>> usual importer.
>>>
>>> Is there anything wrong about Exit?
>
>Gustavo,
>
>Asking this list whether you should buy an album
is pointless. With over 250
>members, there'll always be _someone_ who thinks
the album in question is a
>'must have' (as per Atilla and P(oly)aul's
recent posts).
>
>There will also likely be, among the 250, those
who do not like the album in
>question.
Yeah, I know that, but I can't help myself... But
the real point was that I
didn't remember of anyone talking anything about
or even mentioning Exit on
this list.
>The only way to find out if anything's wrong
with it is to buy it yourself.
>Haven't you heard enough TD yet to know that you
_must_ own every album
they've
>ever produced? 8-))
This happened when I bought my third album, FM.
Incredibly good start.
>Craig R. J. Cordrey
gfj
---
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 4:20
am
Subject:
Subject: Re: Album publicity
>Are albums like White Eagle, Hyperborea and
Underwater Sunlight bad? I
>don't think so, though they don't come up in
discussions very often...
>....the really classic albums, thereby
>overshadowing the 'less classic' ones. In the
specific case of Exit,
>remember that it has to compete with a very
illustrous predecessor...
>
>Derk
I know, but anyway, Exit in particular caught my
attention. I think I've
never seen anyone talking about Hyperborea too.
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 4:23
am
Subject:
Subject: Heartbreaker: Weak.
Heard Heartbreaker today in a nearby store...
In one word: weak.
gfj
p.s. Maybe I was in a bad mood, or tired.
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 4:08
am
Subject:
Subject: RE: Free System Projekt
>>I second Heiko's opinion!!
>>The CD's second track 'Amalthea' has been on
perpetual repeat on my CD
>>player ever since I got the CD a few weeks
ago, and the rest of the tracks
>>are just as good, well done Marcel !
>>(and I am not saying this becouse we have
almost the same name :)
>
>I don't believe you! You're just saying this
because we almost
>have the same name! :-)
>Thanks Marcelo, I'm just doing what I do with
the music.
>I will begin to make new material again in the
new year
>(too busy these christmas days).
>Hopefully it won't take too long to have a new
album
>(Pointless did take a bit long imo...but then
again it's finshed
>when it's finished).
>
>Later
>Marcel
Hey, got those MP3 bits from the Free System
Projekt page...
Maybe a little too ambient for me, but anyway, I
like them!
Good work!
gfj
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From:
Steven Feldman
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject:
Subject: Gimme a break!
Jeesus, Dano,
Don't judge all recent TD by crap like
TRANSSIBERIA and VALENTINE
WHEELS. Get DREAM MIXES II, WHAT A BLAST or
especially MARS POLARIS
and you could well change your mind.
-- Steven Feldman
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - -
When you try to snort a book up your nose instead
of actually reading it,
you get a mess like Mann's 'The Keep.' -- F.
Paul Wilson, April 29, 1999
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 4:55
am
Subject:
Subject: Tangentize
Maybe I'm a little stupid or something, but where
does the word tangentize
come from? Tangent, from Poland? Remixing in
Tangents, the box?
gfj
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From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 4:55
am
Subject: Re: Tangentize
> Maybe I'm a little stupid or something, but
where does the word tangentize
> come from? Tangent, from Poland? Remixing in
Tangents, the box?
The term comes from the remixing done in
Tangents; specifically, the
practice of layering newer, digital sounds over
top of older analogue
ones...a marriage which frequently just doesn't
sound very good (in the
opinion of many, including myself).>>
Or to put it in plain simple English, the process
of Edgar taking older material and doing recent
overdubs on it.
=====
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But I'd really like to go back to my own time'
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From:
Chris Richards >
Never trust the Japanese when it comes to song
lyrics! They're notorious for hacking them up!
Apparently, as great as they are at building
synthesizers and cars, they're totally useless
for figuring out song lyrics!!! :-)
<>
Didn't realise a tape from so early was
circulating. You fancy doing a tape trade? ;-)
<>
What was the 'flipper concert'? I've never heard
that reference before.
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From:
'Heiko Heerßen' >now loading: my Discman batteries....before I can listen to the new
> >Kraftwerk Expo 2000 single I just bought today. Excitement!!
> >
> >Heiko
>
> Don't want to spoil your excitement here, but I listened to some Realaudio
> bits of Expo 2000 and I found them a little... not interesting.
>
Well, I listend to the disc four or five times in a row....it's quite nice and
has a catchy melody, and the 2nd remix version is fabulous. But the days of
pioneering and groundbreaking music seem to
be over. And I really hope that a new studio album will come out soon.
Heiko
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Gustavo Jobim
Date: Wed Dec 8, 1999 1:17
pm
Subject: Re: Reply to Kraftwerk Expo 2000
>Well, I listend to the disc (Expo 2000) four or five times in a
row....it's quite nice and has a catchy melody, and the 2nd remix version
is fabulous. But the days of pioneering and groundbreaking music seem to
>be over. And I really hope that a new studio album will come out soon.
>
>Heiko
And so do I.
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From:
DJS
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 6:14
pm
Subject: Re: Tangentize
Goold ol Olle.Rundgren@s... pointed out:
Sounds like they simply left the room and let the equipment continue
> by itself, and as it turns out that perception isn't totally wrong then.
Heh, that's pretty much the concept behind 'Berlin School'. I'll
probably get mildly flamed for this but I feel there is too much of the
'coffee & donut music' (As Eli & I call it...the artist leaves his
instruments running while he goes & gets coffee & donuts....then comes
back & cuts the album--see Roach, Schulze, etc) in the EM scene today,
especially from the UK. Many of these artists have even invented a genre
for tediously LONG sequences with very little, if any, melodic content.
It's called 'Berlin School'. Uh oh, here come the bemmers. ;-p
factoid: Klaus Sculze actually admitted to using lead weights on his
keys, leaving the room, & returning...believe it or not. (probably to
get coffee & donuts)
--
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From:
DJS
Date: Tue Dec 7, 1999 5:34
am
Subject: Re: Deadly Care...for $103?!?
Jared White wrote:
>
> From: Jared White
>
> Uh, you *are* award that the Hollywood Years compilations are made up of a
> bunch of unreleased material, outtakes, cuts, and throwaways, aren't you?
Well duh. I bought the thing...and it was tangetized outtakes from films
(barely recognizable so they could get it past the film copyrights)
which had, IMO, no melodic merit. It was a sheer production for $$.
>
> And have you actually *listened* to any of their *real* releases lately,
> like Goblin's Club
Yes, got it, sold it.
Oasis
A very good album, one of the only ones I liked from the 90's.
Dream Mixes II
Another decent album...but it paved a road they still have yet to get
off of. Every album has the same boring beat as DM...this album should
be blamed for the trenches they've dug into.
Architecture in Motion
Ugh, sampled it...more Korg rehash.
or Mars
> Polaris?
Sampled it, more of the same trite TD you can expect these days. Like I
said, they need to borrow the keys from some of the UK artists. It's not
that all of their songs are really compositionally horrendous...but they
need some NEW SYNTHS!
If you don't think any of those aren't at least reasonably good, if
> not brilliant in parts, you seriously need to have your head examined.
I have had my head examined but it always turns out that I'm a genius
compared to the examiner. Go figure. ;-)
--
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From:
'twosheds'
Date: Wed Dec 8, 1999 7:00
pm
Subject: Rot Weiss
>NP: TD 'Rot Weiss' (Essen, Grugahalle 1968) - which has in fact already
been
>circulating as a live tape under the title 'Unknown concert 1972/73'.
Strange
>(and great!!!) stuff anyway. Some collectors believed that the tape is a
>recording from the 'Kapfenberg' event in Austria where TD did their famous
>'flipper concert'.
Peter, how about we do a tape tree of this? Sounds cool!
Scott
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From:
Derk
Date: Wed Dec 8, 1999 6:52
pm
Subject: Re: TD on 'Arte'
'Heiko Heerßen' wrote:
>Maybe this is old news for my fellow German fans....
>the 'Arte' TV channel features (amongst others) something (don't know
>what) about TD. It's called 'Tracks'. Date: 17.December, Time:
>19.00-19.50.
Great! I'm absolutely starved for moving pictures of our favourite band.
>(why do I write this in English instead of German language? ....)
Well, probably because we here in Gouda, Holland have just gotten Arte on
the cable a few days ago!
Derk (happy with his cable operator, which has just made its first good
decision in years)
From:
Derk
Date: Wed Dec 8, 1999 6:50
pm
Subject: Re: D:Studio [Force Majeure]
'Heiko Heerßen' wrote:
>Motör-Derk wrote:
What?!?! ;-)
Derk (does know some Mötorhead, but isn't a fan)
From:
'Owens, James E'
Date: Wed Dec 8, 1999 9:33
pm
Subject: correction for 'loved by the Sun' (was:cyclone lyrics-corrected)
Dell wrote:
Your home made lyrics are cracking me up.
You will find the true lyrics of most Tangerine Dream songs at this
site:
http://www.cyberden.com/cyberden/database/Lyrics/Tangerine_Dream/
8-) Dell
Thanks for pointing out the error in these lyrics, Dell. The lyrics
for 'Loved by the Sun' at Cyberden are the old version that I corrected a
few years ago. Unfortunately the corrected version got zapped along with
the rest of the lyrics at the UWP archive. They were posted to the
Tangerine Dream homepage for a while. Anyway, here they are again for
anyone interested:
James
Album: Legend
Song: Loved by the Sun
Music by Tangerine Dream
Lyrics by Jon Anderson
Transcribed by Dave Datta (clarified by James Owens)
-------
I've seen the mystics play there
Once or twice when I knew they had a reason
Enchantment plays its cards alright
Hand in hand with the workings of the seasons
Legends can be now and forever
Teaching us to love for goodness sake.
Legends can be now and forever
Loved by the sun
Loved by the sun
Loved
Two and two go so close together
Whether there is hope that is torn apart.
In the words of all that's singing
Hand in hand, the beginning is at the start.
Legends can be now and forever
Teaching us to love for goodness sake
Legends can be now and forever
Loved by the sun
Loved by the sun
Loved
Who sings of all of love's eternity?
Who shines so bright
in all the songs of love's unending spells?
Holy lightning strikes all that's evil
Teaching us to love for goodness sake.
Hear the music of love eternal
Teaching us to reach for goodness sake.
Legends can be now and forever
Teaching us to love for goodness sake.
Sweet songs of youth, the wise, the meeting of all wisdom
From:
'Brian W. Bailey'
Date: Wed Dec 8, 1999 11:06
pm
Subject: D:Studio [Force Majeure]
James Joystick wrote:
>14:10 - ...a beautiful refrain with warm tones relating to Stratosfear.
Agreed. I think that the stretch from 14:10 - 16:23 is one of the best bits
of music I have ever heard anywhere and is the highlight of this album.
>15:54 - But what is this cheesy march-thing doing here? And the second theme
>is simply terrible. Were they making a parody of some other composition?
Alas,
> until here the music was perfectly done...
I like this part and the segue into it. I have no problems with it.
Overall, I give FM the highest possible rating, it is certainly one of my
favorite TD albums. I remember seeing a site on the web a couple of years
ago where readers where asked to rate TDs albums on a 0-5 scale. I believe
over 100 people participated (though not everyone rated every album of
course). Force Majeure received the highest average rating on that survey,
with something higher than a 4.50.
Brian
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From:
AR402004@B...
Date: Thu Jan 1, 1970 4:59
am
Subject: 'Musical similarities between TRANSSIBERIA and MARS POLARIS'???
>Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:29:37 -0000
>Subject: RE: [tadream] Gimme a break!
>From: Tangerine Dream mailing list
>Really-From: Nigbur D
>
>Given the musical similarities between TRANSSIBERIA and MARS POLARIS,
>I find your judgement of the two quite remarkable. I like them both.
Gack! What's next, someone who likes ZEIT and FORCE MAJEURE
equally?!? ;)
-- Steven Feldman
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From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Thu Dec 9, 1999 2:43
am
Subject: RE: Exit
Thats what they did in Chicago too!
> -->
> Exit too was my first TD album.
>
> When TD toured the US in '86 they opened their set @ the
> Universal Ampitheatre
> with 'Pilots of Purple Twilight'.....wow!
>
>
> Pete Isaacson
> DJ DreamHead
> mailto:penfold@a...
From:
'Michael A Jean'
Date: Thu Dec 9, 1999 2:43
am
Subject: RE: Rockoon
There was a contest in BTH to find out and draw one...I think it is made up,
but who knows!
> > From: PENFOLD
>
> Will somebody tell me what the hell a 'Macubaha' is?
> and what does one look like and what kind of sound does it produce?
>
>
> Pete Isaacson
> DJ DreamHead
> mailto:penfold@a...
> 'W
From:
'tom george'
Date: Thu Dec 9, 1999 2:00
pm
Subject: Re: Deadly Care...for $103?!?
--
a question for dano,
what is the last album put out by TD that you liked? i was just curious as to
where your line is drawn.
another question. if you like the earlier stuff so much how come you never give
your comments on the weekly discussion album from the years you so dearly love?
or is that the other list.
not meaning to be critical especially since i never do either. and my favorite
period is the Froese, Franke, Baumann years. but i buy and like the new stuff
to but i see where you are coming from regarding the needing new synths.
N.P. Mars Polaris Live-Klangart-Osnabrueck 12/6/99 2-CDS 0ne
word-AMAZING!!!
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From:
Radu Velicescu From: AR402004@B...
>
> >Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:29:37 -0000
> >Subject: RE: [tadream] Gimme a break!
> >From: Tangerine Dream mailing list
> >Really-From: Nigbur D
> >
> >Given the musical similarities between TRANSSIBERIA and MARS POLARIS,
> >I find your judgement of the two quite remarkable. I like them both.
>
> Gack! What's next, someone who likes ZEIT and FORCE MAJEURE
> equally?!? ;)
>
> -- Steven Feldman
Gack, you're right!
I like Zeit much more than Force Majeure. Like you said, no equality
there!
Radu
np- I wish Zeit, but...
From:
'joe shoults' -----Original Message-----
> Some collectors believed that the tape is a
> >recording from the 'Kapfenberg' event in Austria where TD did
> their famous
> >'flipper concert'.
>
jöe
From:
'twosheds' <recording from the 'Kapfenberg' event in Austria
>where TD did their famous 'flipper concert'.>>
>What was the 'flipper concert'? I've never heard
>that reference before.
It was a show they did 10/10/70 in Kapfenberg, Austria, for 12 pinball
machines, guitar, cello & drums. It was broadcast on German TV, and not well
received.
Scott
From:
DJS
> From: 'tom george'
>
>
> --
> a question for dano,
>
> what is the last album put out by TD that you liked?
Well, technically I thought their genius stopped with Optical Race, Lily
& Melrose. But, I think Oasis is an excellent album so my answer is:
Oasis. Yes, that's my final answer.
i was just curious as to where your line is drawn.
Oh I draw no line. The band does that. I've listened to all the new TD
albums in one way or another and just feel that they all sound so
similar that I get bored of them. A gear change would solve many
problems, IMO.
> another question. if you like the earlier stuff so much how come you never
give your comments on the weekly discussion album from the years you so dearly
love?
Well, I've been on Tadream so long everything's already been said about
every album they've put out. How many times do we really need to hear
someone critique or sectionalize a specific album or song? Also, I just
don't have the time to write lengthy reviews.
and my favorite period is the Froese, Franke, Baumann years. but i buy
and like the new stuff to but i see where you are coming from regarding
the needing new synths.
Perhaps it's all the recycling TD has done to it's fanbase that cramps
me up as well. They even recycled tunes & slapped em on Zoning. IMO,
when you buy a new album it should be brand new stuff. Imagine if
Madonna fans bought her new album with all new track titles & they found
out they were just old songs with some minor touchups. They'd probably
be pretty po'ed.
They were headed in the right direction with 220 Volt...but died a
horrible death by releasing Turn of the Tides...a no-brainer with songs
that I can barely place today they were so non-shifting & non-melodic.
They haven't changed since then. They could also use a new drum kit &
programmer. I'm so amazingly sick of their beat-box Dream mix rhythms &
wannabe house romps. I know, I know, it's only my opinion but I'm sure
more people stopped buying their music than new fans started. This is
evident when I look into the bins at any music shop. Of course it
doesn't help when you alienate your fans by saying stupid things like
'if the fans don't like the music, they don't have to buy it!'. Okay
Edgar, you got it. ;-)
--
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From:
Peter.Stoeferle@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59
pm
Subject: Essen 68 / Kapfenberg
Hi there,
seems I have to send a few lines about my 'np' (now playing) remark in my
previous mail...
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:53:23 -0800 (PST)
> From: Chris Richards
> Subject: Re: Cyclone/Essen 68 recording
>
> <>
>
> Didn't realise a tape from so early was
> circulating.
>
> < recording from the 'Kapfenberg' event in Austria
> where TD did their famous 'flipper concert'.>>
>
> What was the 'flipper concert'? I've never heard
> that reference before.
Kapfenberg is a small town in Austria, and TD performed there in October 1970
(line-up: Froese, Franke, Schroyder). They triggered electronic sounds by
playing on six flipper machines, actually some kind of 'random' music. The
flippers were 'Gottlieb 4 Player Spin Wheel' and '4 William 4 Aces'; some say
that there was also a flipper with the name 'Ricochet'... However, there are no
reliable sources abouth this event and no tape recordings that had been taken
there *definitely*. Some collectors believe that the concert tape titled 'Essen
1968' (which is identical to the 'Rot Weiss' CD-R) has really been recorded in
Kapfenberg, but no such prove exists. The Kapfenberg gig had been filmed by a
team of the Austrian TV (ORF) and has probably been aired later, and this could
explain the good quality of the tape/CD-R recording. However, the recording may
also derive from another concerts. Nobody knows, and there are so many rumors...
Greetings,
Peter
From:
Steven Feldman Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 10:10:48 -0800
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Deadly Care...for $103?!?
>From: Tangerine Dream mailing list
>Really-From: DJS
>
>tom george wrote:
>>
>>a question for dano,
>>what is the last album put out by TD that you liked?
>
>Well, technically I thought their genius stopped with Optical Race,
>Lily & Melrose. [. . .]
You're joking, right? IMHO, TD started to slip with the release
of LEGEND, but they really lost it with OPTICAL RACE and LIVE MILES,
both of which (except for 'Mothers of Rain') I find almost irredeemably
lame. And LILY ON THE BEACH is not exactly in their top ten, either.
I do agree that MELROSE is very good -- underrated, in fact -- though.
>[. . . ] But, I think Oasis is an excellent album so my answer is:
>Oasis. Yes, that's my final answer.
I think you're in a bit of a rut, here. OASIS is one of TD's only
blatant retread albums. It is obviously as much a step backward as a
step forward, stylistically.
>>i was just curious as to where your line is drawn.
>
>Oh I draw no line. The band does that. [. . .]
That's a bogus comment, and you know it: everybody draws lines.
>[. . .] I've listened to all the new TD albums in one way or another
>and just feel that they all sound so similar that I get bored of them.
What is it about OASIS, then, that wasn't 'so similar'? ;)
>A gear change would solve many problems, IMO.
That implies that TD is just an agglomeration of synth effects,
with no underlying melodic, rhythmic or tonal merit, to which I say,
'Bullshit!'
>>another question. if you like the earlier stuff so much how come you
>>never give your comments on the weekly discussion album from the years
>>you so dearly love?
>
>Well, I've been on Tadream so long everything's already been said about
>every album they've put out. How many times do we really need to hear
>someone critique or sectionalize a specific album or song? [. . .]
How many times do you have to say you think new TD sucks, even tho
you probably haven't played any of it often enough to like it, anyhow?
>[. . . ] Also, I just don't have the time to write lengthy reviews.
That doesn't preclude you from writing lengthy diatribes, though,
apparently. ;)
>Perhaps it's all the recycling TD has done to it's fanbase that cramps
>me up as well. They even recycled tunes & slapped em on Zoning. [...]
What tunes were/are these? I was not aware that ZONING was a
rehashing of any sort (except for the WIZARD OF OZ 'oh-wee-oh' bit).
>IMO, when you buy a new album it should be brand new stuff. [. . .]
What, like Kraftwerk's last album? Or all those rap/hiphop albums
that sample the puss out of other people's work??? And what of 'live'
albums, in general???
>[. . . ] Imagine if Madonna fans bought her new album with all new
>track titles & they found out they were just old songs with some minor
>touchups. They'd probably be pretty po'ed.
Sounds like a gross exaggeration, to me. What about her YOU CAN
DANCE remix album?
>They were headed in the right direction with 220 Volt...but died a
>horrible death by releasing Turn of the Tides...a no-brainer with songs
>that I can barely place today they were so non-shifting & non-melodic.
I used to think that about STRATOSFEAR and TYRANNY OF BEAUTY, but
have since changed my mind about both completely.
>They haven't changed since then. [. . .]
Feh. You don't actually think that TYRANNY OF BEAUTY, DREAM
MIXES I, TRANSSIBERIA, and MARS POLARIS all sound the same, do you?
>[. . .] They could also use a new drum kit & programmer. [. . .]
Sorry, but I think Jerome's recent contributions to the band
have been better than Edgar's. If and when Edgar retires, I won't
be heartbroken, given the type of stuff Jerome's been dishing out,
of late.
>[. . .] I'm so amazingly sick of their beat-box Dream mix rhythms &
>wannabe house romps. I know, I know, it's only my opinion but I'm sure
>more people stopped buying their music than new fans started. [. . .]
I don't think that the two sentences above are necessarily
(inter-)related.
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801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/
Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. SOME CURRENT E-MUSIC
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Vic Rek
From:
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From:
Radu Velicescu From: Rainer Rutka
>
> HI !
>
> OK _ THE MILLENNIUM BOOSTER _ IS HERE !
>
> And it is including a VERY VERY BIG SURPRISE !!!
> ================================================
>
> See pictures from the Keep-1999 release, from the TDI-Poster (signed),
> the Great Wall Of China CD, the ......(;-==) and the TDI-letter on
> my TD-Homepage.
>
> Don't miss it !
>
> Rainer
> rainer@k...
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Rainer Rutka From: Radu Velicescu
> Thanks for the post Rainer, however, the link to the letter is going to
> the poster instead... curious about the letter...
> Radu
Hi Radu!
Thank you ! FIXED !!!
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From:
Sean Montgomery
From:
Joel Mullen
From:
Gabe Yedid
From:
Derk
Date: Sat Dec 11, 1999 10:55
am
Subject: Drumming on Cyclone & Force Majeure
Chris must have had a very good reason not to do the drums on these albums
himself, although he was acknowledged to be a better than average drummer
(at least when he joined TD). What was the reason? I read somewhere he
decided to get rid of his acoustic drums after Atem, so did he just not
want to pick them up again?
D
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Date: Sat Dec 11, 1999 11:12
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Subject: Re: Drumming on Cyclone & Force Majeure
<< From: Derk
Chris must have had a very good reason not to do the drums on these albums
himself, although he was acknowledged to be a better than average drummer
(at least when he joined TD). What was the reason? I read somewhere he
decided to get rid of his acoustic drums after Atem, so did he just not
want to pick them up again?
D >>
* I must have some kind of block. This question has occured to me a couple of
times, but I leep forgetting to post it...
Thanks Derk ;-)
My guess would be he simply acknowledged the fact that he had gotten
rusty.... but I had thought of that as a 'what if' question...
my other favorite 'what if' for Tangerine Dream is
What if Baumann hadn't left, but Schmoelling DID come aboard
and it was a four-piece.... whoa.
Poly
From:
Gustavo Jobim
From:
Gustavo Jobim What if Baumann hadn't left, but Schmoelling DID come aboard
>and it was a four-piece.... whoa.
>
>Poly
WHOA!
And what if none of them had ever left, and the group was E.Froese,
J.Froese, Franke, Schmoelling, Haslinger and Baumann?
I think of two possibilities: or it would be incredibly wonderful, or it
would be a mess.
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx
Date: Sat Dec 11, 1999 9:58
pm
Subject: Re: D:Solo:E.Froese [Epsilon in Malaysian Pale]
<< Could you give me any hint of what Epsilon in Malaysian Pale is about? Is
it similar to its neighbours (Phaedra, Rubycon, Ricochet)? Is it available
in CD?
I was already curious about this album, but when I saw its cover the
interest increased.
pre-thanks!
gfj >>
*Epsilon is one of my never-get-tired-of albums...
If you haven't heard it, but had heard Phaedra, think of a whole
albums worth of 'Mysterious semblance at the strand of
nightmares' That would be a pretty close approximation,
but IMHO Epsilon is a much better realization of that sound.
Poly
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you get a mess like Mann's 'The Keep.' -- F. Paul Wilson, April 29, 1999
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Date: Sun Dec 12, 1999 7:50
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Subject: D:Solo:E.Froese [Epsilon in Malaysian Pale]
Poly,
Thanks for wrecking my weekend. ;-) Mysterious Semblance is about my favorite
piece of music, TD or otherwise, and you had to let me know that E Froese has
a whole album done in that style. Of course, this CD is nowhere to be
found. Several years ago I had Aqua and Epsilon in my hands at the same time
(HMV in New York City) and only had the cash for one of them. I bought Aqua,
and although it is a very good CD, it is pretty easy to find. I went back
for Epsilon the next day and it was gone. I've never seen it again.
The search continues...
Bob Fitz
np - Lily on the Beach
<<
*Epsilon is one of my never-get-tired-of albums...
If you haven't heard it, but had heard Phaedra, think of a whole
albums worth of 'Mysterious semblance at the strand of
nightmares'
<<
From:
Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx
Date: Sun Dec 12, 1999 9:01
am
Subject: Re: D:Solo:E.Froese [Epsilon in Malaysian Pale]
<< Poly,
Thanks for wrecking my weekend. ;-) Mysterious Semblance is about my
favorite
piece of music, TD or otherwise, and you had to let me know that E Froese
has
a whole album done in that style. Of course, this CD is nowhere to be
found. >>
*Sorry dude, but it's the truth. Hunt this CD down... Look high, look low.
I'll even dupe it for you ;-X oops, wrong list ! Seriously, I think it's one
of
the greatest albums to come out of the TD camp. Period. Aqua is
interesting in a historical way., but Epsilon is one of those magical
moments that happened to make it to tape. One of the best.
The tangentizing of Epsilon on beyond the storm is one of the worst
things Edgar has ever done. This album is one of the three highest
played electronic albums in my collection....
Poly
From:
electriccafe@xxxxx.xxx
Date: Sun Dec 12, 1999 9:03
am
Subject: Linda 'da babe' Spa
Does anyone know what Linda Spa has been up to lately?
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From:
Derk
From:
'Thomas' From: Derk
>
> Not entirely off topic here (he was a former member after all):
>
> I just acquired Schulze's Moondawn, my first foray into the works of this
> very prolific artist. I'm currently playing the album to death, it's so
> good! Especially the first track (Floating) is absolutely amazing. It has
> such a driving force behind it! Too bad it lasts only 27 minutes...
> The next logical question is: where to go from here? I've heard Mirage and
> X are classics, too. Maybe I should try those?
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice!
> Derk
From:
'tom george' From: Derk
>
>I just acquired Schulze's Moondawn, my first The next logical question is:
where to go from here? I've heard Mirage and
>X are classics, too. Maybe I should try those?
>
>Thanks in advance for any advice!
>Derk
>
Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com
From:
'Lawry Simm'
From:
'Nick Adams' From: Derk
> I just acquired Schulze's Moondawn, my first foray into the works of this
> very prolific artist. I'm currently playing the album to death, it's so
> good! Especially the first track (Floating) is absolutely amazing. It has
> such a driving force behind it! Too bad it lasts only 27 minutes...
> The next logical question is: where to go from here? I've heard Mirage and
> X are classics, too. Maybe I should try those?
Moondawn is a classic and holds a lot of special memories for me, I remember
Playing ''Floating'' back in 78 when going to work, and i just had to sit
there in the car and let it finish before i could go into work, needless to
say i got a bollocking for being late untill i had the sense to leave home a
bit earlier, ;-D other must have albums of his ''imo'' would be,
Timewind
Bodylove 1
Bodylove 2
Mirage
X
Live , (the track live Sense is a real hypnotic mastepiece)
And Disc 3 From The Silver Edition.
Have a wonderfull journey discovering some really great music !!
Nick
Home Nicad@c...
Work Nick.Adams@p...
From:
Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx
Date: Sun Dec 12, 1999 4:33
pm
Subject: Re: Schulze
<< Timewind
Bodylove 1
Bodylove 2
Mirage
X
Live , (the track live Sense is a real hypnotic mastepiece)
And Disc 3 From The Silver Edition.
Have a wonderfull journey discovering some really great music !!
Nick >>
* Well Nick you beat me to the punch by a matter of minutes.
I was just going to recommend all those, especially Bodylove
to Derk. (Especially Bodylove, because there are some
similarities to Moondawn) Mirage is my single most played album...
X is a dark driving classic... I would add Picture Music to the list
of essentials.... and while we're on the subject of ex-members
Derk, I'm not sure if you have it, but Michael Hoenigs
Departure from the Northern Wasteland is also a must have.
reminds me (somewhat) of Stratosfear in mood.
Poly
From:
'joe shoults' -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavfj@m...]
...
>
> Got an idea.
> We have a space of 5 MB (not sure) in ONElist, right?
> What about making a compilation of the album reviews since the first one
> and uploading it in this space, then keep it up-to-date,
> uploading new info
> every month?
> ...
From:
'joe shoults' -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Feldman [mailto:AR402004@B...]
...
> hearing Edgar claim that
> 'A*L*L C*O*P*I*E*S O*F T*H*E S*O*N*Y C*D A*R*E G*O*N*E' ?
...
> Funny, then, that the letter from the TDI office should read . . .
> ...'Since you are a person who has trusted us and ordered the Millennium
> Booster in the notion that you will receive an object of timeless value -
> instead of complaining about our business policies and prices - we have
> added some special treats for you as a surprise.'...
...
From:
Steven Feldman Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:49:54 -0500
>Subject: RE: [tadream] I Don't Mean to Be an Ingrate, but . . .
>From: Tangerine Dream mailing list
>Really-From: 'joe shoults'
>
>[. . .] on the availability of Sony CDs- who knows? Maybe they made
>more. Maybe they got more from Sony. [. . .]
This is true, but it is also true that, previously, they sort of
stonewalled any of the fans getting any copies.
>What seems significant to me is that there was some gratitude on TDI's
>part for those fans that trusted that they would get a real value, as
>the TDI ad had spoken of a 'special bonus' or something from when it
>was first posted on their website.
I thought the 'special bonus' -- quite plainly -- was meant to
refer to THE KEEP re-issue, since they apparently were not legally
able to 'sell' it. You know, something along the lines of, 'Buy this
wooden nickel for $100 and receive for FREE a video of the uncensored
European cut of EYES WIDE SHUT.' The exact wording at the
http://www.snafu.de/~tadream/mainmenu.html page is
| plus......
|
| a very special bonus gift:
|
|
| - 'The Keep' 99 re-release - official version
>Did TDI send out the same bonuses to everyone, or did they vary?
That's a good question. Maybe they compiled a 'shit list' of
folks who pissed them off with negative guestbook messages and gave
them a proverbial lumb of coal rather than a copy of the SONY CD.
-- Steven Feldman
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From:
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From:
'Nick Adams' From: Synthhtnys@a...
> * Well Nick you beat me to the punch by a matter of minutes.
> I was just going to recommend all those, especially Bodylove
I agree i love this album, especially ''Nowhere Now here'' the slow build up
with the glorious lead lines and the Sequencing later on in the track are
totally out of this world.
> Mirage is my single most played album...
> X is a dark driving classic... I would add Picture Music to the list
> of essentials....
Yes i nearly mentioned ''Picture Music'' not completely sure why i didn't,
maybe after hearing Stephen Parsicks ''Totem Poles'' from his ''Traces of
the Past'' album it sort of took the magic away from the particular sound
schulze had during that album, if you know what i mean...i also nearly
mentioned ''Dune'', .particularly Shadows of ignorance........in fact lets
be honest, 70's Schulze and 70's TD were the Bee's Knee's IMHO of course !!
Nick
NP Arcane / Gather Darkness.....This is just incredible it sounds like TD's
period between Encore and Logos, totally stunning and absolutely essential
for any e music fan.
Home Nicad@c...
Work Nick.Adams@p...
From:
AOutland@xxx.xxx
Date: Sun Dec 12, 1999 9:28
pm
Subject: Re: Dell couldn't resist
In a message dated 12/10/99 12:53:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
AR402004@B... writes:
<< You're joking, right? IMHO, TD started to slip with the release
of LEGEND, but they really lost it with OPTICAL RACE and LIVE MILES,
>>
I don't know how you can put these three in the same sentence and say
they are all bad. Each is so totally different from the other that I wonder
if there is anything about TD that you like at all. (Well, I guess you do
like The Keep.) I mean, it's like they can't do anything, choose any new
direction, to please you. Legend uses such dark melodies, Optical Race such
light ones, and Live Miles such changing ones that surely there would be
something you would like.
I find it somewhat sad that the older list members are tired of
answering questions that have been asked before, forgetting that there are
newer members who haven't heard them. You were new once, don't you remember
the excitement of hearing about your favorite band? Getting the inside scoop?
Sharing feelings? I hope I never get that jaded.
8-) Dell
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From:
Jared White From: AOutland@a...
>
> In a message dated 12/10/99 12:53:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> AR402004@B... writes:
>
> << You're joking, right? IMHO, TD started to slip with
> the release
> of LEGEND, but they really lost it with OPTICAL RACE and LIVE MILES,
> >>
> I don't know how you can put these three in the same
> sentence and say
> they are all bad. Each is so totally different from the other
> that I wonder
> if there is anything about TD that you like at all. (Well, I
> guess you do
> like The Keep.)
You're right, of course. However, there's another issue at stake here. I
haven't the slightest problem with you (Steven Feldman & or anyone else)
not liking anything you don't like. You can hate Optical Race more than
anything on the planet, and I couldn't care less (I don't mean that is a
haughty way, just matter-of-factly). What I do object to, and probably
will object to 'till the day I die is letting personal preferences get
in the way of objectively judging art on its own merit. Just writing off
a bunch of albums as inferior because YOU don't like them is crap. I
believe with all my heart (and I have my own and another people's
experience to support me on this) that any open-minded, intelligent
person can with reasonable accuracy judge art as being good or bad based
on standards of high art that have been passed on from generation to
generation for thousands of years -- completely separate from personal
feelings about the subject in question. I can admit something's
mediocre, yet enjoy it a lot. I can also realize something's high art,
yet not care for it much at all. Letting personal feelings get in the
way of judging art on its own level can lead to very narrow-minded and
arrogant opinions, which I have seen on this and other lists (I'm not
talking about you specifically here, Steven. From what I've seen, you
tend to be reasonably open-minded on a whole.)
To get back to the immediate discussion, I just finished listening to
Live Miles for the first time (I'd heard a snippet of it on a
compilation, but just got the whole CD). Perhaps my opinion will change
with time, but I can admit that it's not terribly great. I think it's
good, but just that. Not overwhelmingly remarkable. However, I enjoyed
it tremendously -- much more than I have several Virgin Years albums at
first listen. Judging from personal feelings, I could say it was
excellent. But judging it compared to TD's other work and great music in
general, I can say it's just average. However, I really honestly think
that Optical Race is a wonderful album, both by my personal feelings and
also by musical standards. I'm afraid I must disagree with you, Dell, on
one thing, which is that I feel that Optical Race actually has a much
wider range of emotions than Live Miles. That's what makes it great. It
has mystery, beauty, joy, sadness, longing, triumph -- not to mention
subtlety and finesse in the playing, and downright excellent sound
design as well. I can't say that about Rockoon, which, even though I
like, I admit, on a whole, is a mediocre album. I used to quite dislike
Lily on the Beach, as well as think it was lousy, but on a recent listen
I found myself liking it quite a bit. I do still think that it's not
that great, however -- simply because it doesn't posses so many of the
qualities, and not in as strong quantities, as Optical Race does that I
mentioned above. On the other side of things, I can recognize that Logos
is a masterpiece. But you know what? I don't really care for it that
much. I enjoy it when I listen to it, but then I just feel bored
afterwards. But, again, I realize that it's great. Encore, even though
it may not be as good in actuality, I like much more. See, personal
preference at work -- but I try hard not to let that color my judgment
of art on its own level.
Whew! I think I've made my point! ;)
> I mean, it's like they can't do anything,
> choose any new
> direction, to please you. Legend uses such dark melodies,
> Optical Race such
> light ones, and Live Miles such changing ones that surely
> there would be
> something you would like.
I really wouldn't say that about Steven though, Dell. He's stuck up for
some of TD's 90's work several times in the past. Certain albums, that
is. I'm afraid I do agree with you, Steven, that Transsiberia is pretty
dumb. I got that just recently, too, and after the first few tracks got
very bored. Architecture in Motion was light-years ahead of that. But I
digress....
> I find it somewhat sad that the older list members are tired of
> answering questions that have been asked before, forgetting
> that there are
> newer members who haven't heard them. You were new once,
> don't you remember
> the excitement of hearing about your favorite band? Getting
> the inside scoop?
> Sharing feelings? I hope I never get that jaded.
You probably won't, methinks. :)
Well, I think I've said enough for now. I hope I gave you all some food
for thought, at least. Hey, that reminds me -- where are all the
Pergamon reviews? The sound clips on TD's site sounded incredible!
Heh heh, take care folks,
Jared
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From:
Oscar Dean From: AOutland@a...
> I find it somewhat sad that the older list members are tired of
>answering questions that have been asked before, forgetting that there are
>newer members who haven't heard them. You were new once, don't you remember
>the excitement of hearing about your favorite band? Getting the inside
scoop?
>Sharing feelings? I hope I never get that jaded.
> 8-) Dell
>
Very well said Dell! I've been a fan since 1980 and discovering them that
first time was very exciting. Sure, I had lots of questions at that time
but only a few people I knew had even heard of them. I didn't have the
internet of course so I just focused on the music and bought everything I
could find. I never stop trying to turn people onto 'The Dream' because
much of their music still has that same magic for me. And I never tire of
fielding questions from new listeners. It can be refreshing to hear some
different viewpoints and opinions from fresh ears.
Oscar
From:
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From:
'Greg' From: Jared White
> I'm afraid I do agree with you, Steven, that Transsiberia is pretty
> dumb. I got that just recently, too, and after the first few tracks got
> very bored. Architecture in Motion was light-years ahead of that. But I
> digress....
>
By calling a peice of artwork 'dumb', not only do you remove all the value
from it and dive beyond that line by which we say 'we don't like like it',
you close your mind to any purpose it may have or be trying to convey.
I'm a visual artist and when I hear people call something in art dumb, I
think
they are dumb themselves or at least not trying to think.
I have never heard Transsiberia, but I DO know that whith Edgar's experience
and direction, along with Jerome's 7-8 (at the time) years, that they
wouldn't
do something 'dumb.' Even at some level, there is always something to
appreciate, and it's better to express our opinions in likes and dislikes
than
ro blow off something as being created without thought.
Sorry I'm not trying to make enemies, just trying to express my thoughts on
this.
I have yet to hear Transsiberia, so I'm not an angry proponent!
Greg H.
NP: Stuntman
From:
'Brian W. Bailey' From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
>This week brings us to the classic live album, Quichotte (later
>re-released as Pergamon).
In that case, I hope the copy I ordered from buy.com gets here real quick.
It was on backorder when I ordered it last month :( This is NOT
the easiest thing in the world to get ahold of!!
Brian
Brian W. Bailey
Dept. of Chemistry & Biochemistry
Montana State University - Bozeman
Bozeman, MT 59717
bwbailey@i...
shrike@m...
Work :(406) 994-3713
Home :(406) 587-9625
Fax :(406) 994-5407
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From:
Vic Rek From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (Peter Stoeferle)
Thanks Peter for the interesting information.
> Kapfenberg is a small town in Austria, and TD performed there in October 1970
> (line-up: Froese, Franke, Schroyder). They triggered electronic sounds by
> playing on six flipper machines, actually some kind of 'random' music. The
> flippers were 'Gottlieb 4 Player Spin Wheel' and '4 William 4 Aces'; some say
> that there was also a flipper with the name 'Ricochet'... However, there are
no
> reliable sources abouth this event and no tape recordings that had been taken
> there *definitely*. Some collectors believe that the concert tape titled
'Essen
> 1968' (which is identical to the 'Rot Weiss' CD-R) has really been recorded in
> Kapfenberg, but no such prove exists. The Kapfenberg gig had been filmed by a
> team of the Austrian TV (ORF) and has probably been aired later, and this
could
> explain the good quality of the tape/CD-R recording. However, the recording
may
> also derive from another concerts. Nobody knows, and there are so many
rumors...
I had another listen to the Essen '68 CD-R yesterday, and I must say
that it is the same as the tape that has been circulating around titled
'Unknown Location'. This track appears on Virtual Files CD-R 72-01, and
a guess was made that this unknown location was Cologne 72.06.22, but
now this is obviously incorrect (it may not even be Essen). The length
of the CD-R is 36:11 while the VR 72-01 is 3 tracks that add up to
35:07. Sound quality is better on the new Essen release. So now, who
has a tape of the real Cologne 72.06.22 show???
Vic
Vic
From:
Jared White From: 'Greg'
>
> > From: Jared White
>
> > I'm afraid I do agree with you, Steven, that Transsiberia is pretty
> > dumb. I got that just recently, too, and after the first
> few tracks got
> > very bored. Architecture in Motion was light-years ahead of
> that. But I
> > digress....
>
> By calling a peice of artwork 'dumb', not only do you remove
> all the value
> from it and dive beyond that line by which we say 'we don't
> like like it',
> you close your mind to any purpose it may have or be trying to convey.
Hah hah hah! This is great! I can't believe I've upset someone by
criticizing a 90's album -- me, the guy who's supposed to be so
pro-90's! OK, Greg, I guess I just picked the wrong word. Let me call it
'slightly on the pointless side.' Don't get me wrong -- I actually liked
Transsiberia quite a bit. Some nice ideas there. Unfortunately, they
didn't go anywhere, and were padded with lots of seemingly unimaginative
ramblings. Although I wouldn't exactly call it 'sonic debris', as
someone who shall remain nameless described much of TD's 90's work, it
starts to sound a bit like it after a while. :)
> I'm a visual artist and when I hear people call something in
> art dumb, I
> think
> they are dumb themselves or at least not trying to think.
Dumb is a perfectly valid way to describe art. If art is pointless and
lacks skill and imagination, I would call it dumb. Sometimes I like dumb
art. However, I'd still call it dumb.
> I have never heard Transsiberia, but I DO know that whith
> Edgar's experience
> and direction, along with Jerome's 7-8 (at the time) years, that they
> wouldn't
> do something 'dumb.'
Everyone has their bad hair days. :)
> Even at some level, there is always something to
> appreciate, and it's better to express our opinions in likes
> and dislikes
> than
> ro blow off something as being created without thought.
Funny, that's exactly the point I was trying to make in my message. But,
you see, whether I like Transsiberia or not, I can judge it based on
TD's other work during the same time period as well as basic standards
of good music. And, from what I heard, I thought it was musically
boring. I liked some part of it quite a bit, but, like I said, it just
doesn't go anywhere.
> Sorry I'm not trying to make enemies, just trying to express
> my thoughts on
> this.
Sure, I appreciate them.
> I have yet to hear Transsiberia, so I'm not an angry proponent!
Well, hey, if you end up liking it tremendously, that's perfectly fine
with me! No complaints!
Take care,
Jared
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From:
Gustavo Jobim This week brings us to the classic live album, Quichotte (later
>re-released as Pergamon).
>
>As most people probably have this as Pergamon, please make your
>subject 'D:Live [Pergamon]' when posting comments and reviews.
Why did they change the name?
I'll try to post some thought about this very, very good album later.
---
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From:
'Craig Chambers' << Timewind
> Bodylove 1
> Bodylove 2
> Mirage
> X
> Live , (the track live Sense is a real hypnotic mastepiece)
> And Disc 3 From The Silver Edition.
From:
'Craig Chambers' Does anyone know what Linda Spa has been up to lately?
I was wondering what happened to the Z-man? I know alot of folks thought he
was a 'wanker', but I love his style and sound. I would love to see him do
some more work.
Craig C
SP: Michael Hoenig 'Xcept One' and still loving those sequencers.
From:
Quarlie@xxx.xxx
Date: Mon Dec 13, 1999 3:11
am
Subject: D: Studio [Force Majeure]
I've really been looking forward to this one. I currently rank 'Force
Majeure' as my second-favorite TD album (after 'Rubycon').
---
1. Force Majeure
I tend to see this track as a more evolved, refined form of the 'instrumental
rock epic' style of 'Madrigal Meridian' from the previous album. Like that
piece, this too starts with big, scary noises, although I find the first few
notes at the very beginning a little cheesy. A slightly disorienting ambience
develops, with lots of strange sounds echoing around (I like the recurring
high-pitched one). From this, an absolutely beautiful part emerges, with a
flutey lead floating over Rubyconesque Mellotron string chords. It's great to
hear those strings again. At almost 2:30, a cellist (apparently the album's
engineer, Edvard Meyer, though the notes for the SBM edition don't mention
it) arrives and plays a haunting and equally beautiful melody. Everything
gradually disappears except for a single high-pitched string and a repeating
bass note.
Suddenly, there's a chord. A huge, majestic piano intro builds up, drums
appear (quietly at first), the piano reaches a crescendo, and then we're
really moving. This is great stuff. For a while, I only hear electric guitar,
piano and drums, but despite the unusually conventional instrumentation, the
music still manages to transport me. The drums are louder here than on
'Cyclone.' At about 5:35, another crescendo, this time mostly on the guitar,
turns into a short acoustic guitar break, and then it's right back into the
action. The chimes at 6:05 are a nice touch.
I think the guitar (electric again) is being multitracked now. It's a pretty
amazing effect. Edgar impresses yet again.
Things slow down a bit at about 6:45, as a reverse-cymbal whooshes into an
acoustic guitar, some kettledrums (cool), and... hey, a sequence! I knew one
would show up eventually. Someone plays a keyboard or two over it, and Klaus
continues his solid drumming. It breaks down at about 8:50. A few sustained
chords lead into an ambient section, with a train. The ambience is a bit
nondescript. I could mention that there are strange noises floating around
it, but I've used variants of that phrase too many times in my reviews
already.
Hints of melody start to return at about 10:30. There's more two-tracked
guitar, a few keyboards, and a neat bonging bell at 11:55. The section that
starts after the bell is more traditional mid-late-'70s TD, with some soft,
layered sequences that remind me especially of the second part of 'Ricochet.'
An expansive keyboard melody, which goes beautifully with the sequences,
begins at 14:10. Klaus suddenly reappears around 15:55, signaling a new,
upbeat section which does a pretty good job of closing the song, with a
little bit of ambience (similar to the part from 9:00-10:30) at the end.
This is an amazing piece of music. It doesn't dethrone part one of 'Rubycon'
as my favorite music ever, but I just might like it more than part two of
that album. It's too close to call. Either way, the title track is the reason
that this is my second-favorite album.
---
2. Cloudburst Flight
The second track opens with a nice broken chord on an acoustic guitar. Edgar
strums around a bit, with a muted keyboard in the background. A repeating
synth note eventually makes itself known. The guitar and keyboard build a bit
of tension, until a sequence with more than one note finally develops at
about 2:40. For a while we mainly hear a keyboard being played over the
sequencer and drums. That doesn't last long, as Edgar returns with an
electric guitar at almost 3:45. At this point, I reflect on how distinctive
his style is.
At 4:18 is the 'guitar' solo. Despite the discussion of this topic on the old
list, I really have no idea if this is a regular guitar, a sped-up guitar, or
some keyboard instrument being made to sound guitarish. In any event, it's
being played like a guitar. I like it, though there are other Edgar solos
that I like better (regardless of what instrument this actually is). The solo
ends with what may or may not be power chords, as the sequence returns. It
doesn't stay around for long, though, as at 5:52 it gives way to another
flutelike keyboard line. Then the sequence returns again, and things continue
in that fashion for about 45-50 seconds, and that's the end.
I've always thought that this track is a bit overrated. I don't want to
suggest that I don't like it, because I do, but I've heard more than one
person say it's their favorite thing that TD has ever done, and I can't
really see why. I find the main sequence to be a little weak; the guitar, and
the 'guitar,' make up for it, but I still prefer the longer, more varied
pieces (the other two tracks on this album, for instance).
---
3. Thru Metamorphic Rocks
I really wonder why it's 'thru' and not 'through.' I suppose it doesn't
affect the music either way.
The beginning of this one is very haunting, probably my favorite part of the
track. There's an eerie piano line with a somber string sound in the
background. Strange electronic effects start to show up, along with what
might be another train sound, and Klaus announces his presence with a crash
cymbal. An amazing voice-like drone effect fades in at about 1:15. I think
this part has the best use of a piano I've ever heard in TD's music, though
it's very arguable.
Edgar's anthemic guitar solo begins at about 2:15. I'm not sure I could
describe it without repeating myself, but it's great. Nice drumming behind
it, too. It gets weird at 4:05 or so, as bizarre noises from some unknown
device slowly overpower the guitar. Then, in comes That Sequence(tm). It
starts out as just noises, but a melody is added at about 5:15.
I like this part, but it really does not lend itself to description. For the
next ten minutes or so, the sequencer just keeps going, as weird things
happen around it. The sequence is great (one of the best), the sound effects
in the background are strange, and that's about all there is to say for a
while. Some nice morphing keyboard accompaniment joins at about 6:40, but it
doesn't stay long. Drums are added somewhere around 7:45. I think there's a
voice at 8:30. It's bit creepy, kind of like 'Wahn' through a vocoder.
It's still going. That morphing keyboard sound comes back at 10:35 or so, but
only for a bit. More strange sounds (a wolf?...). There's a really weird bass
stab that is first heard at 13:05, and repeats at intervals until about
13:50. Eventually, the sequence finally fades out, leaving only a sustained
chord that remains a while longer, then also fades out. Wow, what a trip.
---
Another week, another amazing album, but this one is particularly good. This
is sure to remain near the top of my list.
--Daniel (Quarlie)
NP: Spiral Realms--a Trip to G9 (great stuff)
From:
Gustavo Jobim
From:
Gustavo Jobim >Does anyone know what Linda Spa has been up to lately?
>
>I was wondering what happened to the Z-man? I know alot of folks thought he
>was a 'wanker', but I love his style and sound. I would love to see him do
>some more work.
>
>Craig C
And what will Chris Franke do now, after Babylon 5 ended?
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
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From:
'Greg' From: Jared White
>
> Well, hey, if you end up liking it tremendously, that's perfectly fine
> with me! No complaints!
>
> Take care,
>
> Jared
I must have sounded too serious! I was getting at that this whole argument
to try and get people to control their feelings and opinions about work just
dosn't work out too well. I'm just happy people have thoughts they want to
express on this list and a lot of people back albums that get little credit.
In truth, it shows the wide range of musical appreciation that this list
has.
To like all TD is to have a very open mind--from the pshycodelic
drug-induced
early work to the ethnic type deep groove stuff that's coming into TD's 90's
material. I happen to like it all, but not all of it all the time.
I personally think Timesquare is an album that adds to a lot of what TD did
in the past 20 years. Just listen to the brassy chords on Towards the
Evening
Star remix.. it has all the power and accent of the infamous Logos brass
section.
Any anyone listening to the track Timesquare in a good sound system knows
that halfway through, that song hums bass like a Catapiller dozer on your
tail.
Greg H.
NP: Ghazal a wonderful track!
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Mon Dec 13, 1999 8:30
am
Subject: D:Live [Pergamon]
Well, here's one gaping hole in my CD collection...
Fortunately, I had a copy of Quichotte on tape...
I don't have access to times... so I'll just ramble...
Here's the first signs of the Schmoelling years.
I have no way of knowing how much of this is pre-recorded
and how much is actually live. Though I think there's
a fair amount of live playing, it's not like the Baumann years
where that was the whole point. Johannes brought to the
group a sense of sophistication, clean lines where before
something would grow organically and have moss on it... ;-)
TD began to be more Architectural... More like Frank Lloyd
Wright, all 90 degree angles, and sharp lines, where previous
TD was more Daliesque, where things melted all around...
Some foreshadowing of Tangram... I really like the electric grand
piano opening (unfortunately my tape screws up the intro)
What gorgeous melodic patterns our group is capable of...
What a contrast to their earliest work... It's very true that you have
to have a very broad taste to follow TD through the years...
Some signs of trippiness still exist like the creepy section with
distorted voice, followed by what sounds like to me falling into a
huge void. Then emerges a gorgeous sparkling sequence...
Another thought of what distinguishes the Schmoelling/Baumann
years... The emerging sequences tended to be low bass w/Baumann,
and in a higher register with Schmoelling...
I'm sure this won't be true for most of you out there, but I have a
strong preference for this music without drum machines. I feel you
can get very propulsive, percussive rhythms from synths without
that canned drum kit sound. It tends to date material... (flame away)
I like Edgar's guitar on this album, not as hallucinogenic as Coldwater
Canyon, but pretty fiery. In the second part they really let loose on that
one sequence... It goes on in a very hypnotic way. I really like the
work of the recent band Airsculpture, which reminds me a lot of this
early era of Schmoelling...
Poly
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From:
'Heiko Heerßen'
From:
colin_anderson@xxxxx.xxx
Date: Mon Dec 13, 1999 10:25
am
Subject: Question for Dano
Been reading a few of your comments and get the picture with your
general dislike for the 90s stuff.
However, in Friday 10th's archive, you mentioned that 'they were headed
in the right direction with 220 Volt' and that kinda surprised me as I'd
have thought it has all the modern-day td elements you maybe wouldn't have
liked - gooey sax, heavy-rocky guitars, unshifting and unmemorable melodies.
So what's it about 220V that makes you think it's ok?
Not questioning your judgement or anything - just curious where you're coming
from. And btw - got to agree with your comments on unmemorable melodies - as
I said last week, I reckon that on most of the recent studio (1995 on, except
DM1) releases, there's regularly only three tracks worth listening to - the
rest of them get zapped with the 'skip' button.
From:
Peter.Stoeferle@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59
pm
Subject: Essen 68, Kapfenberg 70, Cologne 72
Hi there, hello Vic,
> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 21:03:17 -0500
> From: Vic Rek
>
> I had another listen to the Essen '68 CD-R yesterday, and I must say
> that it is the same as the tape that has been circulating around titled
> 'Unknown Location'.
Exactly, 'Rot Weiss' and the 'unknown concert 72/73' contain identical music
material.
> This track appears on Virtual Files CD-R 72-01, and
> a guess was made that this unknown location was Cologne 72.06.22, but
> now this is obviously incorrect (it may not even be Essen). The length
> of the CD-R is 36:11 while the VR 72-01 is 3 tracks that add up to
> 35:07. Sound quality is better on the new Essen release. So now, who
> has a tape of the real Cologne 72.06.22 show???
The cologne recording is different from 'Rot Weiss', it was obviously recorded
at a different time and place, and you can hear they used other electronic
equipment than on the 'unknown' / 'Rot Weiss' recording. No such strange and
hard sounds like on 'unknown' / 'Rot Weiss' appear (which actually *could* be
random sounds created by pinball machines like on the Kapfenberg gig in
October, 1970...). The Cologne show was aired live on WDR FM radio in its
'Nachtmusik im WDR' ('Night music on WDR') series. This tape also appears under
the name of 'Klangwald' sometimes; its complete length is 60 minutes, and then
it fades out at the beginning of the third track with the end of the live
transmission on the radio.
Cheers, Peter
From:
'Kevin Earley' But,
> you see, whether I like Transsiberia or not, I can judge it based on
> TD's other work during the same time period as well as basic standards
> of good music. And, from what I heard, I thought it was musically
> boring. I liked some part of it quite a bit, but, like I said, it just
> doesn't go anywhere.
So Jared, tell me - what are the basic standards of good music? Those
> that any open-minded, intelligent
> person can with reasonable accuracy judge art as being good or bad based
> standards of high art that have been passed on from generation to
> generation for thousands of years.
?
Personally, I think you are talking through your hat; and that unless you
invoke Plato, art can only be experienced (or described) subjectively. There
are objective elements of course, but if you judge a song on whether the piano
is in tune, or how well the drummer keeps the beat you are completely missing
the point.
All in my own opinion of course.
Kevin Earley
kearley@r...
np: Live Miles
From:
'Craig Chambers'
>By the way, I already have a KS first-listen discovery plan: buy Moondawn
>and Timewind at the same time.
Heh, heh! And you thought TD had alot of discs...wait until you kick into
KS 'gotta have' mode :-o
Good luck on your next adventure...Moondawn and Timewind are definitely the
classics, but if you really wanna get hooked go for 'X' first.
From:
Joel Mullen
From:
'Patrik *'
From:
'Craig Chambers' From: 'Heiko Heerßen'
<...SNIP of some very good information...>
>perform in the Palast. They played two shows (afternoon at 16.00 and
>evening at 20.00) in front of a more than sold-out audience (each show
>featured two 45 minute sets and a 10 minute encore, please correct me if
>I'm wrong) ,which were broadcasted in the German Democratic Republic.
'Pergamon' has always been one of my favorites, but after getting a copy of
the Evening show on CD, I can honestly say I don't listen to the official
release anymore. So, can anyone tell me the difference in the evening and
afternoon shows? I am assuming they are almost the same with different
(slightly?) lead solos.
Craig C
From:
'twosheds' I don't know how you can put these three in the same sentence and say
>they are all bad. Each is so totally different from the other that I wonder
>if there is anything about TD that you like at all. (Well, I guess you do
>like The Keep.) I mean, it's like they can't do anything, choose any new
>direction, to please you. Legend uses such dark melodies, Optical Race such
>light ones, and Live Miles such changing ones that surely there would be
>something you would like.
I think what a lot of us keep forgetting is that this is a band that has
been around for 32 YEARS! And is still actively putting out material and is
constantly changing and adapting to changes in music & the technology that
drives it. Another of my favorite bands, The Dead, I must admit, had a
similarly lengthy career but barely changed a lick over that whole time.
They played the same stuff they played from day one. The '90s material for
me is real hit & miss, and I'm bothered by their business practices, but
still, how many other bands have so consistantly generated new material for
so long? The great thing about TD is that there's something for everyone.
Scott
From:
Sean Montgomery What I do object to, and probably will object to 'till the day I die is
> letting personal preferences get in the way of objectively judging art
> on its own merit...I believe with all my heart (and I have my own and
> another people's experience to support me on this) that any open-minded,
> intelligent person can with reasonable accuracy judge art as being good
> or bad based on standards of high art that have been passed on from
> generation to generation for thousands of years.
Uhh...I'm going to have to disgaree with you. The problem with
'standards' is that they are also subjective. True, Greek scuplture and
Michaelangelo have retained their appeal over the centuries, but perhaps
we should ask why that's the case. Is it because we've been told that
they're important by others (the subjective opinion of academics), or
because people can instantly appreciate the skill involved in their
creation? (the subjective opinion of the viewer).
Art can't be evaluated like math. There is no 'right' answer...no
'perfect' painting. I have a bachelor of Fine Art degree, and was
constantly annoyed by the subjectivity of the marking process, which
seemed to have little to do with how much work I put in (and certainly
not to do with how 'good' the work was), and everything to do with who the
instructors favoured (usually because they were serious about becoming
artists, or adopted styles that were currently fashionable).
My own personal opinion is that in the end, the only criteria for
evaluating a work of art *is* personal opinion. I don't care if some
critic tells me that some new hot shot artist will be the next Van
Gogh..if the work doesn't speak to me, I'm moving on. Our opinions can
all change over time too...another sign of the impossibility to imposing
objective standards on art.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
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From:
Flemming Larsen i also wonder what they mean by (many) of our Millinium Booster buyers.
>will the ones that ordered it after the news of the 'Sony' inclusion (like
>myself) not get that added addition?
That's not what made me order the MB. I simply
couldn't afford it until now, and I had almost given up on it.
Fortunately my job gave me a lot of overtime last week (and
that will continue until Y2K) and I was finally able
to send an order for the MB yesterday. The fact that
they decided (or maybe they always intended) to put
the Sony CD + poster in MB is just an added bonus
which brings a little smile to my face.
Hell it's only Y2K once in my lifetime. I can live with
the price. I'll just cut down on the fireworks for New Years
eve and watch everybody else torch a couple hundred $$ ;-)))
>well.........i guess we will see.
We most certainly will. Hopefully by the end of the week
or early next week :-)))
>tom
>
>
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From:
Flemming Larsen I just acquired Schulze's Moondawn, my first foray into the works of this
>very prolific artist. I'm currently playing the album to death, it's so
>good!
Cool you've discovered the great one :-)
You've got an amazing (and sometimes wierd) journey
ahead of you.
Did you get the 2 track version of Moondawn
or the Remastered version with and extra 25 mins
bonus track ?
>The next logical question is: where to go from here? I've heard Mirage and
>X are classics, too. Maybe I should try those?
X is a classic. Get it !
Timewind is not to be missed eighter.
Try the older Picture Music from 1974 too. The track Totem
is a real treat.
Check out Audentity, Trancefer, En-Trance
in any order you desire too.
Don't miss out on the latest albums
Are You Sequenced, Dosburg Online eighter.
And do yourself a favour and give the
series Dark Side Of The Moog 1-8 a try too.
Start with number 5, 6 or 8.
If you can afford it I highly recommend the
Ultimate Edition due to be released January 1st.
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From:
Gustavo Jobim Some signs of trippiness still exist like the creepy section with
>distorted voice, followed by what sounds like to me falling into a
>huge void.
I have the same opinion. I think this is the only negative point of
Pergachottequimon.
In the second part they really let loose on that
>one sequence... It goes on in a very hypnotic way.
And it's hypnotic nature is quite similar to, but not so difficult as
T.Metamorphic Rocks.
>Poly
gfj now playing Indian Summer
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
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From:
Gustavo Jobim Art can't be evaluated like math. There is no 'right' answer...no
>'perfect' painting.
Like the 'great' 'modern' paintings I see when I go to the Museum of Modern
Art, here in Rio. There are paitings like one white square inside a black
circle, or a completely orange screen, and other things like that. Some
people love those kinds of paitings.
>SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
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From:
'Marcel Engels' From: Gustavo Jobim
>
> >Some signs of trippiness still exist like the creepy section with
> >distorted voice, followed by what sounds like to me falling into a
> >huge void.
>
> I have the same opinion. I think this is the only negative point of
> Pergachottequimon.
What????? :-)
I can't think of that part being 'edited' out!!!
THATS exactly a part of what TD is for me...
Weird, powerful creepy sounds and sequencers with good solos etc.
'Famous' short review from me.
Pergamon:
It was quite a few years when I bought the CD.
Back then it was very difficult to find...I search everywhere to find
a copy and finally got one (for a not so nice price).
Thankfully the music on it was great!
The opening chords are wonderfull...I wonder who that is, probably
Johannes after hearing his solo albums.
imo this piano part is even better then the one on Tangram, it is played
with more emotion. It's also a very nice part to play by yourself because
it's not that difficult. But then again, most good music is not difficult.
Very nice chords follow and a Tangram pt. 2 sequencer comes in.
Ending with some very nice creepy sounds.
And beginning with some very nice creepy sounds. :-)
Part 2 is good too but for me it's not as good as part 1.
The sequencer stays in one key too long imo, but the guitar more then makes
up for it.
Also, Staatsgrenze West (nr.330 I believe) is very nice too, but I like
Pergamon better.
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
Email :fsp@w...
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'Lawry Simm' In that case, I hope the copy I ordered from buy.com gets here real
quick.
>It was on backorder when I ordered it last month :( This is NOT
>the easiest thing in the world to get ahold of!!
>Brian
Hmmm... they're two a penny over here...(Liverpool, England). Have you
tried ordering it from somewhere that actually sells from stock rather
than having to back-order stuff? i know there are quite a few places
on the web that do this, but their names escape me at the moment...
Regards,
Lawry
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From:
'Lawry Simm' 3. Thru Metamorphic Rocks
>I really wonder why it's 'thru' and not 'through.' I suppose it
doesn't
>affect the music either way.
Perhaps Ed was a COBOL programmer... might explain the hairdo! :-)
Lawry
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From:
Sean Montgomery Like the 'great' 'modern' paintings I see when I go to the Museum of Modern
> Art, here in Rio. There are paitings like one white square inside a black
> circle, or a completely orange screen, and other things like that. Some
> people love those kinds of paitings.
And why did these kinds of paintings arise? I identify two reasons.
1) The invention of photography took over the job of portraying the world
'objectively', inciting many artists to forget about representing things
realistically at all. A lot of art abandoned dealing with anything beyond
the surface of the canvas...it became about the colour of the paint and
the manner in which it was applied, instead of speaking to people's inner
worlds. Not that the old kinds of art disappeared...it's just that
'formalist' art made it into the galleries and art history books.
2) Artists have always had to find patrons. Making art is
labour-intensive after all, and who's going to pay them for their time?
Ever since the institution of 'currency in exchange for work', artists
have always had to suck up to the big money. Once that meant the Church,
then it was royalty. In the 20th century, it's meant corporations and the
wealthy elite. The problem is, how can you convince these rich bastards
to buy your work? Two ways...a) you cloak your work in all kinds of
mysterious academic artsy talk that makes it seem profound...and then
convince the buyer that buying it will reveal their intelligence and good
taste to the world. Rich people like to feel that they deserve their
special status in the world, and showing a 'cultured side' aids in this.
And b) You play up the Van Gogh angle...convince the buyer that you're
really an unrecognized genius whose work will one day sell for millions.
If you hate their paintings, it must mean that they're good!
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
AslanFan1@xxx.xxx
Date: Tue Dec 14, 1999 1:16
am
Subject: On ebay
Heads up collectors! I saw the topping off ceremony AND TWO CDs of The Man
Inside, which is a bear to find. I love that soundtrack, very melrosey.
Get em while they're hot.
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From:
Gustavo Jobim > >Some signs of trippiness still exist like the creepy section with
>> >distorted voice, followed by what sounds like to me falling into a
>> >huge void.
>>
>> I have the same opinion. I think this is the only negative point of
>> Pergachottequimon.
>
>What????? :-)
>I can't think of that part being 'edited' out!!!
>THATS exactly a part of what TD is for me...
>Weird, powerful creepy sounds and sequencers with good solos etc.
>Marcel
I'm not saying I dislike that part of Quichotte 1, because I like it. I
don't know if we are talking about the same part. What I refer to is the
part just after the piano intro, which begins at 4:45 and finishes at
11:16. I think that this calm session somehow looses its importance a bit,
after the beautiful piano intro. This effect is in a certain way similar to
Atem's 15 minutes of ambient, after the energetic (and great) intro. Maybe
it would be better if the piano part was after this calm part.
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gustavo Jobim If you hate their paintings, it must mean that they're good!
>
>SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
Well, I can't find any reason to someone like a plain white painting, as if
someone framed a blank paper.
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gabe Yedid From: AslanFan1@a...
>
> Heads up collectors! I saw the topping off ceremony AND TWO CDs of The Man
> Inside, which is a bear to find. I love that soundtrack, very melrosey.
Mmm, don't quite agree with that last statement..._The Man Inside_ has
much more in common with _Lily_ than with _Melrose_ (for those of you who
Gabe
From:
Vic Rek Heads up collectors! I saw the topping off ceremony AND TWO CDs of The Man
> Inside, which is a bear to find. I love that soundtrack, very melrosey.
>
> Get em while they're hot.
I think these are CD-R copies which pale to the actual value of an
original. And if I'm right, then $25 for a CD-R is way too much in my
opinion. Maybe this was a going price 3 years ago. Vic
From:
'Michael A Jean' My favourite 'concept' album is Queensryche's
> Operation:Mindcrime. Not much
> related to TD, but a superb collection of music none-the-less.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g...
>
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Sean Montgomery From: 'Michael A Jean'
>
> Hmmmm...One of only three albums I absolutely refused to allowed to be
> played in my old music store...
You go, Mike! Now....what were the other two?
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Tue Dec 14, 1999 10:18
am
Subject: Re: Operation Buttrock
In a message dated 12/14/99 4:58:39 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
michaeljean@e... writes:
<< Hmmmm...One of only three albums I absolutely refused to allowed to be
played in my old music store... >>
* LOL !!! I'm glad buttrock is dead, but I can't point fingers really,
because for a while I liked Dream Theatre.... (ouch.)
What were the other two?
Poly
From:
colin_anderson@xxxxx.xxx
Date: Tue Dec 14, 1999 10:33
am
Subject: Re: D:Live [Pergamon]
To put a different slant on the Pergamon gig, I remember reading a review
of it in NME/New Musical Express back in the early 80's. I kept the review
until recently, but don't know what I've done with it.
Anyway, NME sent a guy along to see it - can't remember his name, Dave
somebody - but he was well-known for being anti-td. Wow - he absolutely
slated the band and the gig! Nearly everything was written with a good dose
of sulphuric acid and some of the things I can remember were:
1. The headline for the review was 'Tangs but no t'anks' (pre-unification
days, of course)
2. The set and their music was described as a 'synthesised wedding cake
creaking under icing a mile thick'
3. EF got up 'arthritically' to do his guitar solo (sheesh - what's EF like
now?)and the reviewer let out 'long snores that echoed back a full five
rows'
4. An 'interview of sorts' was arranged after the gig and he got stuck into
the band for talking about people who had written to them, having
discovered scientific formulae whilst listening to their music.
Can't remember if he actually call td w*****s, but he sure came close to
it.
5. The review finished with some reference or other to an average East
German food queue being a damned sight more entertaining than a td gig.
The next week, he then reviewed a gig by The Exploited.....
Since that review, I've never been able to make my mind up about Pergamon. I
crank-up the record deck every so often to have a listen to it again, think
it's great, but then my good lady screams at me to turn that 'pile of crap'
off. So if my good lady and your average Joe Soap thinks it's crap.... Nah,
it's good, possibly a classic, but pretty unlistenable to anyone not into td.
Thanks for listening - if anybody has that NME review (it was a full two
pages), I'd like to read it again for a laugh.
From:
Derk wrote:
>Did you get the 2 track version of Moondawn
>or the Remastered version with and extra 25 mins
>bonus track ?
I got the remaster version with the bonus track. Both were offered (I got
it from Groove), so I went for quantity at a slightly bigger expense.
I was playing the second track of Moondawn to a friend the other day. I
have so far succeeded to convert him to a late seventies/early eighties TD
fan (Tangram as a birthday present always seems to do the trick) but he
doesn't like the 'weird' stuff yet. After ten minutes in the track he said
'Can we change this?'. I said 'Yeah, go ahead', so he skipped to the third
track. I said: 'You might not want to do that...' ;-)
D
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Antonio Nunes escreveu:
> After that big fright last night with Alpha Centauri's words - what does
> Udo Dennenbourg says here? ... geist, ... liebe, etcetc the rest I don't
> get - I listened to... Zeit.
I wonder what will happen to you when you listen to the backward speech
in Electronic Meditation! Let us know your impressions... if you survive
to that experience :-)
Here are the words in Alpha Centauri, and the English translation:
Alpha Centauri
Der Geist the spirit
Der Liebe of love
erfuellt den Kosmos fills the cosmos
und der das All zusammenhaelt and He who keeps the universe together
kennt jeden Laut knows every sound
der Geist steht auf the spirit rises
und seine Feine zerstieben and his enemies dissintegrate
und die Ihn hassen and those who hate Him
fliehen vor seinem Angesicht flee from his sight
Sende aus Deinen Geist send out Your spirit
und Leben entsteht and life begins to form
und also... and thus...
Komm, Geist, und erfuelle die come, spirit, and fill the
herzen Deiner Menschen hearts of your people
Und entzuende in jedem das and light in everyone the
Feuer Deines ewigen Lebens fire of your eternal life.
[Transcribed by Erwin Dondorp, corrected by Klaus Beschorner]
Regards,
Antonio Nunes
np: TD - Green Desert
From:
Gustavo Jobim I wonder what will happen to you when you listen to the backward speech
>in Electronic Meditation! Let us know your impressions... if you survive
>to that experience :-)
Depends on the time of the day. I will certainly not listen to this album
at 3 in the morning :)
>Here are the words in Alpha Centauri, and the English translation:
>
Yeah, I knew they were beautiful words, I had seen this text before somewhere.
>Regards,
>Antonio Nunes
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
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From:
Joel Mullen From: Vic Rek
>
> > Heads up collectors! I saw the topping off ceremony AND TWO CDs of The Man
> > Inside, which is a bear to find. I love that soundtrack, very melrosey.
> >
> > Get em while they're hot.
>
> I think these are CD-R copies which pale to the actual value of an
> original. And if I'm right, then $25 for a CD-R is way too much in my
> opinion. Maybe this was a going price 3 years ago. Vic
>
Vic is right, the Sony CD and the Man Inside CD that are being sold by
'synthmaniac' are both CD-Rs. I have bought what I thought were CDs
from him before for good ammounts of money, only to receive CD-Rs. I
got my money back, but he was kind of upset with me. He said that
it states 'compact disc recording' and that *means* CD-R ((which is not
my opinion.)) He ended up filing for a refund on his listing fees, causing
e-bay to give me a 'non-paying bidder' warning. It was reversed after I
told them what the guy was selling, but I guess he just got a warning
for it. Occasionally he does sell CDs too, but usually for less money
and they are not rare. Any 'CD' he has that is rare and is selling for a
starting price of $24.99 is a CD-R. I think the second copy of 'The Man'
is legit though, but I do not know the guy.
Ever since e-bay has started policing their auctions you can't buy guns,
switchblades, soiled underware or CD-Rs. But there are plenty of people
still selling CD-Rs anyway. Most just don't tell you. I know dozens of
people have bought CD-R copies of 'the keep-blue moon boot' for up to
(and over) $200 from 'dimdesigns' thinking they were getting the real thing.
Two guys I sold stuff to bought a copy from him and after I told them that
a real one does not have a stick-on label they got their money back (VERY
reluctantly, with malice) 'dimdesigns' did not even use a label that looked
like the real thing. Sloppy.
Buyer beware now that you can't sell a CD-R as a CD-R without being shut down.
Regards,
Joel
From:
'Marcel Engels' From: Gustavo Jobim
>
> I'm not saying I dislike that part of Quichotte 1, because I like it. I
> don't know if we are talking about the same part. What I refer to is the
> part just after the piano intro, which begins at 4:45 and finishes at
> 11:16. I think that this calm session somehow looses its importance a bit,
> after the beautiful piano intro. This effect is in a certain way
> similar to
> Atem's 15 minutes of ambient, after the energetic (and great) intro. Maybe
> it would be better if the piano part was after this calm part.
Well, creepy section with distorted voice and falling into a huge
void sounds like the ending of part 1 and beginning of part 2 to me...
Anyway, I like it all...:-)
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
Email :fsp@w...
From:
Joel Mullen
From:
Joel Mullen From: 'Lawry Simm'
>
> >3. Thru Metamorphic Rocks
> >I really wonder why it's 'thru' and not 'through.' I suppose it
> > doesn't affect the music either way.
>
> Perhaps Ed was a COBOL programmer... might explain the hairdo! :-)
>
What are you trying to do kill me? I nearly fell of the chair when
I read this one! :-D
From:
Glenn Reinicke From: Joel Mullen
>
> Vic is right, the Sony CD and the Man Inside CD that are being sold by
> 'synthmaniac' are both CD-Rs. I have bought what I thought were CDs
> from him before for good ammounts of money, only to receive CD-Rs.
>
I inadvertently bid on it. Luckily, due to the great posts here, I
emailed and verified that they were CD-Rs. I've since contacted SafeHarbor
at eBay to report it since I wouldn't want others getting ripped off. I
agree with Joel, the discription isn't just misleading, it's downright
false. Compact Disk Recording and Compact Disk - Rewritable or Recordable
are entirely different.
From:
'Robert' Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:29:30 -0500
> From: Vic Rek
> Subject: Re: On ebay
>
> > Heads up collectors! I saw the topping off ceremony AND TWO CDs of The
Man
> > Inside, which is a bear to find. I love that soundtrack, very melrosey.
> >
> > Get em while they're hot.
>
> I think these are CD-R copies which pale to the actual value of an
> original. And if I'm right, then $25 for a CD-R is way too much in my
> opinion. Maybe this was a going price 3 years ago. Vic
I completely agree with Vic. Current bid for the Sony CDR is $41!!!!!!
This is sick.
One of the TMI OST's seems to be the real deal though.?
Of course there is always the option - if certain people try to make big
bucks -
to inform ebay about those dodgy items and get them removed.
Just checked on ebay, the guy who is auctioning the Sony CDR also
auctioned a 'Ruby in the Sky' and 'Klangart' CDR both went for $62 EACH
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh well, I'm just glad that people seem to focus on those rip-offs, which
allowed me to win a original 'Risky Business Audio Movie Kit' on ebay
for $20.50 just a couple of days ago.-:)
Robert
NP: Jansen/Barbieri/Karn - Beginning To Melt
From:
'Lawry Simm' I think these are CD-R copies which pale to the actual value of an
>original. And if I'm right, then $25 for a CD-R is way too much in my
>opinion. Maybe this was a going price 3 years ago. Vic
You could get a CD-R from me in a trade for whatever. Don't go
spending bucks on a copy.
From:
Gustavo Jobim > I'm not saying I dislike that part of Quichotte 1, because I like it. I
>> don't know if we are talking about the same part. What I refer to is the
>> part just after the piano intro, which begins at 4:45 and finishes at
>> 11:16. I think that this calm session somehow looses its importance a bit,
>> after the beautiful piano intro. This effect is in a certain way
>> similar to
>> Atem's 15 minutes of ambient, after the energetic (and great) intro. Maybe
>> it would be better if the piano part was after this calm part.
>
>Well, creepy section with distorted voice and falling into a huge
>void sounds like the ending of part 1 and beginning of part 2 to me...
>Anyway, I like it all...:-)
Oh yes, of course... I didn't notice 'distorted voice'.
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
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From:
'Owens, James E'
From:
Vic Rek I completely agree with Vic. Current bid for the Sony CDR is $41!!!!!!
> This is sick.
I think the bidders need to be better informed and I agree that CD-Rs
should only be traded/sold amongst friends, not in an auction. I think
Ebay has a good policy and I support its inforcement.
> Just checked on ebay, the guy who is auctioning the Sony CDR also
> auctioned a 'Ruby in the Sky' and 'Klangart' CDR both went for $62 EACH
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another example of ......
>
> Oh well, I'm just glad that people seem to focus on those rip-offs, which
> allowed me to win a original 'Risky Business Audio Movie Kit' on ebay
> for $20.50 just a couple of days ago.-:)
Good job! Is this the vinyl press kit or the CD version of it. If you
got the vinyl press kit for this price I will be truly envious because
this is one of the greatest TD rarities in my opinion. :-) Vic
From:
Steven Feldman Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:46:53 +0100
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: On ebay
>From: Tangerine Dream mailing list
>Really-From: 'Robert'
>
>Oh well, I'm just glad that people seem to focus on those rip-offs,
>which allowed me to win a original 'Risky Business Audio Movie Kit' on
>ebay for $20.50 just a couple of days ago.-:)
Yessirree bob, here we have yet another example of the insular,
know-it-all hardcore TD fanboys missing the boat on the true rarities,
while relative neophytes (to the online mailing list, at any rate)
get the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, hee hee!
Damn, if I wasn't so fixated on searching on 'the keep' all the
time, maybe I'd have searched on 'risky business, too. As it is, I
mostly just search on 'tangerine dream,' 'the keep,' and 'moroder,' so
I never even saw the auction in question, since the words 'tangerine'
and 'dream' didn't appear anywhere in the ad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go to
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=212457259
and see for yourselves, infidels! Here's the item's description:
|'Risky Business' ultra rare 'Audio Movie Kit'. Deluxe box set includes
|2 vinyl LPs which contain film clips, music tracks, promo spots, film
|trailer, radio special, interviews, etc. Box set also includes Risky
|Business folder with 50 pages of promotional information. This highly
|collectable set was distributed to key radio stations to promote the
|release of 'Risky Business'. Both records and folder are in MINT
|condition. Outer deluxe box has some very minor wear. Shipping is
|4.00 for USPS priority. Checks or money orders only, please.
Here's to your getting the 1984 KEEP LP for pocket change, too,
Robert! Hoo boy. X-0
-- Steven Feldman
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
When you try to snort a book up your nose instead of actually reading it,
you get a mess like Mann's 'The Keep.' -- F. Paul Wilson, April 29, 1999
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Vic Rek |'Risky Business' ultra rare 'Audio Movie Kit'. Deluxe box set includes
> |2 vinyl LPs which contain film clips, music tracks, promo spots, film
> |trailer, radio special, interviews, etc. Box set also includes Risky
> |Business folder with 50 pages of promotional information. This highly
> |collectable set was distributed to key radio stations to promote the
> |release of 'Risky Business'. Both records and folder are in MINT
> |condition. Outer deluxe box has some very minor wear. Shipping is
> |4.00 for USPS priority. Checks or money orders only, please.
>
> Here's to your getting the 1984 KEEP LP for pocket change, too,
> Robert! Hoo boy. X-0
Great job - unbelievable - the seller was definitely not informed of
this rarity and the winner deserves all the applause. But I have to say
that how can someone be such a fool and not mention TD to bring in a
larger audience!?;-) This items sells for $500+ easy! Vic
From:
Vic Rek |'Risky Business' ultra rare 'Audio Movie Kit'. Deluxe box set includes
> |2 vinyl LPs which contain film clips, music tracks, promo spots, film
> |trailer, radio special, interviews, etc. Box set also includes Risky
> |Business folder with 50 pages of promotional information. This highly
> |collectable set was distributed to key radio stations to promote the
> |release of 'Risky Business'. Both records and folder are in MINT
> |condition. Outer deluxe box has some very minor wear. Shipping is
> |4.00 for USPS priority. Checks or money orders only, please.
>
> Here's to your getting the 1984 KEEP LP for pocket change, too,
> Robert! Hoo boy. X-0
Great job - unbelievable - the seller was definitely not informed of
this rarity and the winner deserves all the applause. But I have to say
that how can someone be such a fool and not mention TD to bring in a
larger audience!?;-) This items sells for $500+ easy! Vic
From:
Steven Feldman Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:35:40 -0500
>Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Risky Business Audio Movie Kit' for $20.50
>From: Tangerine Dream mailing list
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>Great job - unbelievable - the seller was definitely not informed of
>this rarity and the winner deserves all the applause. But I have to say
>that how can someone be such a fool and not mention TD to bring in a
>larger audience!?;-) This items sells for $500+ easy! Vic
You don't get out much, do you, Vic? I mean, compared to Tom
Cruise, how many people out there in the real world give a rat's ass
about Tangerine Dream? Let's get real, if only for a moment. ;)
-- Steven Feldman
+ + + + + + +
'I remember someone coming up to me at work when I was listening to Music
From The Hearts of Space--all concerned because the music was stuck, that
it was playing the same thing over and over and over. My explanation that
the piece was slowly evolving did not convince the skeptic.'
-- Doug Daughtry , Space Music mailing list, 9/11/98
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Subject: Legend
Ever since I saw 'Legend' I have been looking for the american version of the
movie, the one containing music by Tangerine Dream and in a PAL version. I have
searched high and low, friends, shops etc etc and I have not been able to find
it. Does anyone know where I can get hold of this movie?????????? The same
problem goes with 'The Keep'.
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From:
Jared White
From:
AslanFan1@a...
Date: Wed Dec 15, 1999 8:14
am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 322
Two replies. First, I was the one that mentioned the rare items on Ebay
thinking that they were originals. I am glad to see folks speak up here to
protect buyers. I love ebay but I have yet to get ripped off, I'm sure my
time is coming.
As for the Operation Mindcrime and Dream Theater comments, I gotta put in my
plug:
Operation Mindcrime WAS the greatest concept of the heavy metal genre ever.
Its a great album if you like progressive sounds and heavy guitars. However,
the new DREAM THEATER just dethroned it. An amazing record with virtuoso
performances from all instruments. It's a 70+ fictional mystery. Not a lot of
folks cup of tea on this list, I'd assume, but hell, I've got Kraftwerk and
Dream Theater, so here's to eclectic cd collections covering a senseless
variety of genres.
For the record, I think the topping off ceremony is nothing to be excited
about, however, I do like Mars Polaris quite a bit and was releived by its
quality after being very disappointed with Hollywood Years and Transiberia.
Just for the sake of a thread:
What would be folks favorite 10 discs of the 90s? Only three can be TD.
TD CDs
Melrose
220 Volts
Dream Mixes
NON TD CDs
Dream Theater-Metropolis 2 Scenes From a Memory
Alan Parsons-Try Anything Once
IONA-Heaven's Bright Sun
Eric Johnson-Ah Via Musicom
Los Lobotomys-Candyman
Fates Warning-A Pleasant Shade of Grey
Marillion-Brave
Anybody else wanna submit their subjective faves?
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From:
Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx
Date: Wed Dec 15, 1999 8:34
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Subject: RE:fav albums of the 90's / was Digest Number 322
> From: AslanFan1@a...
Good one
> What would be folks favorite 10 discs of the 90s? Only three can be TD.
>
Here is my List
> TD CDs
>
1 Mars Polaris
2 Dreammixes
3 Quinia
> NON TD CDs
>
4 Klaus Schulze - in blue
5 Klaus Schulze - are you sequenced ?
6 Hawkwind - Love in Space
7 Ozric Tentacles - Waterfall Cities
8 Darkside Of The Moog - VIII (8)
9 Eloy - Ocean 2
10 Ayreon - Into The Electric Castle
From:
Sean Montgomery What would be folks favorite 10 discs of the 90s? Only three can be TD.
Who can resist taking such bait? With the end of the year, decade,
century and millenium at hand, everyone's in the mood for making lists.
So, it's to be the Top 10 of the decade is it? Well, sorry, but no TD
albums would make the cut, although Dream Mixes might squeak in if I
expanded the list to 20. Anyway, rather than try to rank the albums from
one to ten, I'll just give you my favourite release of each year this
decade:
1990 Violator - Depeche Mode
1991 Rising Above Bedlam - Jah Wobble's Invaders of the Heart
1992 Automatic For The People - R.E.M.
1993 Holiday - The Magnetic Fields
1994 Protection - Massive Attack
1995 Too Young to Die - Saint Etienne
1996 Endtroducing - D.J. Shadow
1997 OK Computer - Radiohead
1998 Moon Safari - Air
1999 Play - Moby
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
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From:
'Joe Shoults' From The Hearts of Space--all concerned because the music was stuck, that
it was playing the same thing over and over and over. My explanation that
the piece was slowly evolving did not convince the skeptic.'
-- Doug Daughtry , Space Music mailing list, 9/11/98
From:
Gustavo Jobim Here are the words in Alpha Centauri, and the English translation:
>
>Alpha Centauri
>
>und der das All zusammenhaelt and He who keeps the universe together
Isn't this 'das' actually daß ? I've seen this word daß somewhere.
About the coffee machine: Where can I hear its sound?
gfj
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'web master' From: Gustavo Jobim
>Reply-To: tadream@o...
>To: tadream@o...
>Subject: [tadream] Coffee Machine and Alpha Centauri Lyrics question
>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:57:12 -0200
>
>From: Gustavo Jobim
>
> >Here are the words in Alpha Centauri, and the English translation:
> >
> >Alpha Centauri
> >
> >und der das All zusammenhaelt and He who keeps the universe together
>
>Isn't this 'das' actually daß ? I've seen this word daß somewhere.
>
>About the coffee machine: Where can I hear its sound?
>
>gfj
>
>---
>Gustavo F. Jobim
>gustavfj@m...
>gustavofj@h...
>
>>Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail
>tadream-unsubscribe@o...
>Website: http://tadream.copfer.com
>
>What's Johannes Schmoellling up to these days? Find out at
>http://members.tripod.de/Theta/html/index.htm.
From:
'kayleigh'
From:
'koulos_'
From:
Bennett Cookson
From:
'Paul Fellows'
>1.the following albums are TD or having nothing to do with tD?
>[luminious visions]
>[rumpelstilstskin]
>[twiling folders]
See the following:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/twilight.html
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/luminous.html
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/rumpelstiltskin.html
>2 are there any listing with the names of the movies TD gave music ?
You'll have to do some research for this (they have done an enormous number
of soundtracks, especially in the '80s, a lot of them were never released
officially, and most of which contained original music, but there were some
where the band's only contibution was one or two album tracks..). I suggest
asking someone like Rainer Rutka or Klaus Beschorner, links on my homepage:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html
>
>3.doing a little searching at the sony millennium music box set come with
>no result as far it conserns TD
>is this correct?.....
Yes. The 'Millennium Booster' happens to include the single 'Sony Centre
Topping Out Ceremony Score', which is probablythe only connection. See the
following page:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/sony.html
>and a bonus one.....[ok last one]
>is there some tracks of TD discgraphy you suggest for someone reading for
>his exams?......
I would suggest live albums, because they're longer so you don't have to
keep getting up to change them, and they will keep you awake during those
long nights studying... You can't go wrong with these: Poland, Logos Live
or more recently Valentine Wheels.
Cheers
Paul Fellows (France)
From:
'Jens Peschke'
From:
TOMX01@xxx.xxx
Date: Wed Dec 15, 1999 8:03
pm
Subject: Re: Let the Top 10s Begin!
My 90s top 10.
1) Amused To Death - Roger Waters
2) The Future - Leonard Cohen
3) Amarok - Mike Oldfield
4) Melrose - Tangerine Dream
5) The Songs Of Distant Earth - Mike Oldfield
6) Pacific Coast Highway - Christopher Franke
7) Voices - Vangelis
8) Murder Ballads - Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
9) Rockoon - Tangerine Dream
10) Gods Great Banana Skin- Chris Rea
And the award for the worst album in all ways artistic and moral, of the
1990's goes to The Division Bell, by Pink Floyd (1987) Ltd
Tom (Melrose)
From:
'Pergamon'
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 7:44 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] Legend
> From: Bennett Cookson
>
> I ordered one from BUY.COM
> It has not come yet, and I only hope it is the right version. But for $6.99
> it was worth a try.
> sku# 40067074 Legend (1986) $6.99
>
> --Bennett
>
> From: pergamon@g...
>
> Ever since I saw 'Legend' I have been looking for the american version of
> the movie, the one containing music by Tangerine Dream and in a PAL version.
> I have searched high and low, friends, shops etc etc and I have not been
> able to find it. Does anyone know where I can get hold of this
> movie??????????
>
> > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail
tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://tadream.copfer.com
>
> What's Johannes Schmoellling up to these days? Find out at
http://members.tripod.de/Theta/html/index.htm.
>
From:
Steven Feldman Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:28:59 EST
>To: tadream@o...
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Dell couldn't resist
>From: AOutland@a...
>
>> You're joking, right? IMHO, TD started to slip with the release
>>of LEGEND, but they really lost it with OPTICAL RACE and LIVE MILES,
>
> I don't know how you can put these three in the same sentence and
>say they are all bad. [. . .]
Easy, because they are. ;) Would it have made more sense to you
if I said that 'Sequent C' (PHAEDRA), 'Midnight in Tula' (WHITE EAGLE),
'Optical Race' (Duh!), 'Lost Tale' (The KLEM CD), 'Cool at Heart'
(MELROSE), and 'Lhasa' (QUINOA) all bit the big one?
>[. . .] Each is so totally different from the other that I wonder if
>there is anything about TD that you like at all. [. . .]
Well, uh, I have about 130 CDs by them. And I *do* play them. And
I like the Baumann and Jerome years the most, so . . . what in the hell
ARE you talking about? I haven't posted here too much since the uwp.edu
list bellyflopped, so you must have confused me with somebody else!
>[. . .] (Well, I guess you do like The Keep.) [. . .]
I'm *fixated* on THE KEEP. It's not so much that I like THE KEEP,
because the bootleg is mediocre and the TDI disc isn't too much better.
I like three tracks that are actually in the film itself, though! ;)
>[. . .] I mean, it's like they can't do anything, choose any new
>direction, to please you. [. . .]
Bull's pizzle! MELROSE, DREAM MIXES, TIMESQUARE, WHAT A BLAST, and
MARS POLARIS (all of which are from the 1990's!) are among my fave TD of
all time!
>[. . .] Legend uses such dark melodies [. . .]
Not as well as RUBYCON, LOGOS, and THE PARK IS MINE do!
>[. . .] Optical Race such light ones [. . .]
Not as light as those on EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE, STRATOSFEAR,
PERGAMON, HEARTBREAKERS, DEAD SOLID PERFECT, or RUMPELSTILTSKIN.
>[. . .] and Live Miles such changing ones [. . .]
Compared to THE DREAM MIXES, GOBLINS' CLUB, and MARS POLARIS,
LIVE MILES is about as tedious and repetitious as third-rate Klaus
Schulze recordings.
>Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:14:04 -0800
>From: Jared White
>To: tadream@o...
>Subject: RE: [tadream] Dell couldn't resist
>From: Jared White
>
>I'm afraid I do agree with you, Steven, that Transsiberia is pretty
>dumb. I got that just recently, too, and after the first few tracks got
>very bored. Architecture in Motion was light-years ahead of that.
And so is ZONING, for *that* matter!!!
-- Steven Feldman
+ - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - + - - - - +
Ben and Jerry: ice cream with enough saturated fat to kill a blue whale
Eddie & Jerry (TD): band with enough CD releases to kill a bank account
From:
Glenn Reinicke
From:
Jared White From: Glenn Reinicke
> 10) Robyn Miller - Riven Soundtrack
My god! I can't believe you mentioned that! I *LOVE* that music! I've been a
Myst and Riven fan for years (well, Myst fan for years, and I got Riven the
day it was released) -- and, while the Myst soundtrack fit the bill
reasonably enough, I thought the Riven soundtrack was brilliant! Some of the
best ambient EM I've heard, soundtrack or no soundtrack. You folks really owe
it to yourselves to check this one out, as well as buy the game if you can!
Regards,
Jared
From:
Gustavo Jobim Hey all. Wanted to ask a few questions. being fairly new about this TD stuff
>(It's awesome, can't get enough of it, although drives the wife and kids
>nuts 'what IS that stuff?' is a normal question.
>
>Just curious if anyone ever listens to Enigma or Deep Forest? I KNOW not
>closely related to TD, but wanted to ask about those? I've got all the stuff
>they've done (Solo projects as well), AND Wanted to ask about any other band
>comparisons to TD? I KNOW Mike Oldfield is instrumental stuff, but just
>curious if anyone else has any suggestions?
>
>thanks.
I do have Enigma - The Cross of Changes, and very, very rarely listen to
this CD. I'm not sure, but I think I like it. I'll listen to this CD
tomorrow. (It's bedtime now here.)
Kitaro - at least in the album Mandala, which is one of the two Kitaro
albums I have - maybe has some similarities with TD. This album is much
brighter than TD albums between... maybe 1970 - 1976. I say that because I
have all the TD albums between 71 and 76. Talk about 'shores of New Age
ocean'.
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Andrew Rozsa > N.P. Mike Oldfield - The Millennium Bell ..... thumbs up from me anyway =)
>
>Say, is that one yet another Tubular Bells sequel ??
>Being a huge fan of Mike Oldfield I wasn't overall impressed by TB III.
[.....]
Yup, although, according to some of the blokes on a different list, TMB is
utterly forgettable and quite soporific. No surprise to me, since I use TB
III to send me to the Land of Hypnos on nights when sleep doesn't come
easily. What a shame for the 'wasted' talent.
Andrew
From:
Oscar Dean
From:
Steven Feldman | ^
HOME PAGE: http://members.spree.com/molasar/ ^ ^ ^ ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^
EBAY PAGE: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^
From:
Andrew Rozsa Okay, it was a tough decision, but here's my Top Ten for the 1990s:
[..]
>DARKLIGHT - Robert Carty [CD-R]
>SILENT DREAMS - Robert Carty [CD-R]
>NAGUAL HEART - Robert Carty [CD-R]
[..]
Aren't those hand-painted CDRs wonderful?
Andrew
From:
Quarlie@xxx.xxx
Date: Thu Dec 16, 1999 6:44
am
Subject: Top 10 of the '90s
In a message dated 12/15/99 3:14:33 AM, AslanFan1@a... wrote:
>Just for the sake of a thread:
>
>What would be folks favorite 10 discs of the 90s? Only three can be TD.
Very tough call, but I believe the following are fairly close to my top 10
(though I've probably overlooked something). They're just in alphabetical
order; ranking them in order of preference would be nigh impossible.
TD:
Mars Polaris
TimeSquare
Tyranny of Beauty
Others:
Front 242--Tyranny > For You <
Juno Reactor--Bible of Dreams (or maybe Beyond the Infinite... my preference
tends to vacillate)
The Orb--Orblivion
Ozric Tentacles--Waterfall Cities
Pressurehed--Explaining the Unexplained (possibly my favorite rock album of
the '90s)
Seal--self-titled (the first one)
Tears for Fears--Raoul and the Kings of Spain
There are so many other great albums that I can think of, but I currently
think these are the best of the best.
--Daniel (Quarlie)
NP: the aforementioned Orblivion
From:
Mario Pacheco
From:
Peter.Stoeferle@xxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59
pm
Subject: Alpha Centauri Lyrics --- was RE: My first voyage thru the Pink Years
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:54:03 +0000
> From: Antonio Nunes
> Subject: Re: My first voyage thru the Pink Years continues
Hello Antonio, hello Klaus, hi everbody,
> Here are the words in Alpha Centauri, and the English translation:
just filled in the missing line which is hard to understand when listening to
the record... ;-)
Peter Stoeferle
>
> Alpha Centauri
>
> Der Geist the spirit
> Der Liebe of love
> erfuellt den Kosmos fills the cosmos
> und der das All zusammenhaelt and He who keeps the universe together
> kennt jeden Laut knows every sound
> der Geist steht auf the spirit rises
> und seine Feine zerstieben and his enemies dissintegrate
> und die Ihn hassen and those who hate Him
> fliehen vor seinem Angesicht flee from his sight
> Sende aus Deinen Geist send out Your spirit
> und Leben entsteht and life begins to form
> und also... and thus...
...erneuerst Du ... You redesign
das Antlitz der Erde. the face of Earth.
> Komm, Geist, und erfuelle die come, spirit, and fill the
> herzen Deiner Menschen hearts of your people
> Und entzuende in jedem das and light in everyone the
> Feuer Deines ewigen Lebens fire of your eternal life.
[Transcribed by Erwin Dondorp, corrected by Klaus Beschorner]
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From:
'koulos_'
From:
AslanFan1@xxx.xxx
Date: Thu Dec 16, 1999 1:47
pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 323
In a message dated 12/16/99 1:22:31 AM, tadream@o... writes:
<< Just curious if anyone ever listens to Enigma or Deep Forest? I KNOW not
closely related to TD, but wanted to ask about those? I've got all the stuff
they've done (Solo projects as well), AND Wanted to ask about any other band
comparisons to TD? I KNOW Mike Oldfield is instrumental stuff, but just
curious if anyone else has any suggestions?
>>
Upon first listen, I did hear some elements of Enigma that reminded me of TD.
They have their definite distinctions. Enigma has some great melodies, but
they become redundant over time, in my opinion. THey're good, as long as you
don't play em too often. No comment on Deep Forest. I also like instrumental
work from:
Jean Michel Jarre
Chris Franke
Paul Haslinger
Patrick O Hearn
Richard Souther
Mike Oldfield (mixed bag, songs of the distant earth is great)
Enya
Mark Shreeve
From:
Olle.Rundgren@xxx.xx
Date: Thu Dec 16, 1999 2:11
pm
Subject: RE: Digest Number 322
Derk wrote:
Actually, I just got Timewind. I'm listening to it now, and there are
similarities to Phaedra and Rubicon, but the most striking difference is
that Timewind is much brighter, where the TD albums are very gloomy. I
think it has everything to do with the absence of Mellotron in KS' album
and the sheer abundance of it in Rubycon and Phaedra!
BTW: now I know what was meant with the 'typical Schulze humour' at the end
of Bayreuth Return: it scared the living daylights out of me!
----------------------
The Mellotron is one reason as to why I always preferred TD to Schulze but
first and foremost it is the structure and sense of composition that could
be found in the music of Tangerine Dream, even during those improvising
years. I believe that some key elements in the making of a masterpiece are:
A catchy opening, theme, variation, instrumentation, perfect ending.
Now, I would say that TD managed to combine these five elements exquisitely
during the 'golden seventies' whereas Schulze failed on variation and
especially ending. Most of his tracks from the seventies have a very nice
opening and build-up but then get to repetitive for my taste. The way on to
the climax is furthermore characterized by more and more frenzy keyboard
playing, at times creating a screaming sound that can be really annoying.
The typical Schulze humour might have been funny if it was used once, but
when used many times one cannot help but suspect that the man simply lacks
the ability to end it in another way. I once saw him play 'live' and that
surely helped to underline this impression. Besides how can you fully enjoy
the music when you know that a big bang is on its way?
I definately prefer his 'sudden death' endings, i.e. volume controls down to
zero, but still...
This is not to say that I don't like Herr Schulze, far from it. Certain
days, in certain moods I really enjoy his music but there are also days when
I just find it all a bit tedious. Now who could say that about Rubycon or
the likes of it??
It seems to me that Schulze was trying hard all the time, improvising with
caution while TD was in control and knew the right notes to play.
More recently Schulze has releleased recommendable albums, such as Dreams
and En Trance (80's) and not so recommendable, such as Royal Festival Hall
and Goes Classic (90's).
By the way; There is an old rumour saying that Schulze got sacked from TD
due to not living up to quality standards as a musician. Is that really
true?
Godafton!
Olle
From:
'Michael A Jean'
>
> > From: 'Michael A Jean'
> >
> > Hmmmm...One of only three albums I absolutely refused to allowed to be
> > played in my old music store...
>
>
> You go, Mike! Now....what were the other two?
>
>
>
> SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
>
>
From:
'joe shoults'
From:
'Craig Chambers'
From:
'Craig Chambers' 1) Amused To Death - Roger Waters
>2) The Future - Leonard Cohen
>3) Amarok - Mike Oldfield
>4) Melrose - Tangerine Dream
>5) The Songs Of Distant Earth - Mike Oldfield
Yup! Forgot that one completely. Should have been on my list also...
>And the award for the worst album in all ways artistic and moral, of the
>1990's goes to The Division Bell, by Pink Floyd (1987) Ltd
I would say morally, but certainly not artistically. Whatever you think
about PF Ltd., Dave can still bend a string with the best of them.
Unfortunately, it only happens sporadically anymore, not every note like in
the glory years. Plus, they still have THE best spectacle around when it
comes to 'live' shows...(assuming they tour)
From:
'Craig Chambers' Klaus Schulze - Totentag
hmmm....I guess it takes all kinds...I would have never thought anyone would
say this was top 10 material. I love about 95% of everything the man does,
but 'Totentag'(?)...surely, you jest...
A word of warning to all people who have recently decided that they want to
investigate KS music...save this one until you are a 'real' fan... :-)
From:
Gustavo Jobim 8. Blade Runner - Vangelis
>9. Equinoxe - Jean Michel Jarre
I thought this was only for the 90s.
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gustavo Jobim 1.the following albums are TD or having nothing to do with tD?
>[luminious visions]
>[rumpelstilstskin]
Both are soundtracks from TD.
>[twiling folders]
You mean Twilight Folders? It's a compilation of tracks not published or
something from a period of time. (As you can see, not 100% sure)
>and a bonus one.....[ok last one]
>is there some tracks of TD discgraphy you suggest for someone reading for
his exams?......
Zeit (the album)? It's a bit relaxing. Maybe helps to concentrate. Or to
sleep on the books, if you're planning to study in the night. Surely you
won't want to listen to Ricochet or Force Majeure or any 'golden classic'
album - I would forget about study and focus my attention to TD.
>koulos
gfj
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gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gustavo Jobim > und also... and thus...
>...erneuerst Du ... You redesign
> das Antlitz der Erde. the face of Earth.
>> Komm, Geist, und erfuelle die come, spirit, and fill the
I knew there was something strange or missing here.
And I still can't listen to this without chilling.
gfj
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Gustavo F. Jobim
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>> 10) Robyn Miller - Riven Soundtrack
Ok, as you're talking soundtracks here too, let me put ten albums from the
90s I like. (Not very much albums from the 90s to choose from, and not
always EM, but anyway... I like those)
(no ranking)
Philippe Vachey - Relentless (Little Big Adventure) and Twinsen's Odyssey
(LBA 2) soundtracks (Love those!!)
There's also Alone in the Dark 1 ST, which I like very much - don't
remember who composed it.
Jarre - Oxygene 7-13
Jarre - Chronologie
M.Oldfield - Tubular Bells 3 (Got only TB1 and TB3...)
Sonic Mayhem / Jer Sypult / Soundelux Media Labs - Quake II soundtrack -
not EM, but I like it so much!
Tomita - Different Dimensions (only CD I've got from him and I like it -
oh, there's also Boléro LP. But it's too old for this list)
Kitaro - Mandala
Jarre - Waiting for Cousteau
Can't remember of any other. I could choose Hong Kong (live) and Images
(compilation) from JMJ too, but I don't like them very much, although Hong
Kong's versions of Jarre studio tracks are good.
gfj
p.s. Yet to buy a TD 90s album. I think I'll get all the 70-85 albums (only
7 to go!), and then continue chronologically - Tyger, Optical, etc.
Probably this will take a whole year.
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Gustavo Jobim Plus, they (P.F.)still have THE best spectacle around when it
>comes to 'live' shows...(assuming they tour)
If Jean-Michel Jarre isn't better, he comes very close!
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From:
Flemming Larsen I hope I don't become
>to addicted to KS because that would surely mean my bankruptcy (can you say
>Jubilee edition?) ;-))
Can you say Ultimate Edition ???? ;-)))))
>BTW: now I know what was meant with the 'typical Schulze humour' at the end
>of Bayreuth Return: it scared the living daylights out of me!
It's a fantastic track !
> After ten minutes in the track he said
>'Can we change this?'. I said 'Yeah, go ahead', so he skipped to the third
>track. I said: 'You might not want to do that...' ;-)
LOL :-)))))
Merry Xmas all ye Dreamers.
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'Jens Peschke' From: 'Craig Chambers'
> >Klaus Schulze - Totentag
>
> hmmm....I guess it takes all kinds...I would have never thought anyone
would
> say this was top 10 material. I love about 95% of everything the man
does,
> but 'Totentag'(?)...surely, you jest...
Well, to me only 50% of the work of Herr Schulze is worth holding and
amongst his 90s output
'Totentag' is my fave. Let's face it. He's just doing 7 different tracks
in variations over and over again and amongst the 100+ releases
'Totentag' is somewhat unique and I just happen to love that
deep & dark opera to death. Schulze can be sure brilliant (Mirage/Timewind/
X and other releases) but also boring (why spending half an hour telling
something
if it can be done in 15 minutes or less ?) and weak not talking about the
crap called 'goes classics', he's hit or miss to me.
> A word of warning to all people who have recently decided that they want
to
> investigate KS music...save this one until you are a 'real' fan... :-)
No, most fans don't like it. It isn't exactly an album full of pop songs
and I happen to hate 'who gives a shit about the common man' with a
passion. Bottom line: if Wagner is too light for you, you might try
'Totentag'. ;-)
Best Regards
Jens
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Glenn Reinicke From: Flemming Larsen
> 2. Mike Oldfield : Amarok
>
>
So what's the scoop on this one? Seems like I'm missing out. The
only Oldfield I've got is Tubular Bells and Songs of Distant Earth.
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'Marcel Engels' From: Glenn Reinicke
>
> > From: Flemming Larsen
> > 2. Mike Oldfield : Amarok
> >
> >
> So what's the scoop on this one? Seems like I'm missing out. The
> only Oldfield I've got is Tubular Bells and Songs of Distant Earth.
One of the best Oldfield albums ever imo...
Expect some very dynamic and definitely NOT relaxing music! :-)
I don't like what he did after that one, even Distant Earth doesn't
do too much for me. You can give me Crises (the title track) any day.
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
Email :fsp@w...
From:
pergamon@xxxxxxx.xx
Date: Thu Dec 16, 1999 10:56
pm
Subject: top 10
What would be folks favorite 10 discs of the 90s? Only three can be TD.
Here's my top 10
1: Astral Projection : Dancing Galaxy
2: Astral Projection : Another World
3: FSOL : ISDN
4: FSOL : Accelerator
5: FSOL : Lifeforms
6: Eat static : Abduction
7: Eat static : Implant
8: Eat static : Epsylon
9: Rey : Hidden Vibrations
10: Bypass unit : Green Dreams
Sorry, there are no TD on my list, but I do not think they have made any albums
in the 90's, that are really outstanding. Don't get me wrong, I like them, but
my favorite constallation is Franke, Froese & Schmoelling, and that period in
TD's music. The albums made in the 90's are missing one great thing.....the
great sequencerparts, that were one of TD's trademarks in the 70's & 80's.
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Subject: Re: top 10
Greetings all from a longtime lurker on the list...excellent idea posting
lists of the top 10 of the 90's. This decade more than any seems to have
been the 'coming out' party for electronic music in general IMHO. Tangerine
Dream had their moments as well.
in no particular order...
1) Tangerine Dream-TURN OF THE TIDES
2) Biosphere-SUBSTRATA
3) Bill Laswell & Robert Musso-TRANSONIC/DOWNSTREAM ILLUSION
4) the
Starseeds-PARALLEL LIFE
5)
Undark-EMIT 3396
6) Woob-EMIT 1194
7) the Smashing Pumpkins-GISH
8) Philippe Saisse-MASQUES
9) Robert Rich & Lustmord-STALKER
10) Orb-U.F. ORB
Heath Powell//Overland Park, KS, USA
From:
Sean Montgomery
Date: Fri Dec 17, 1999 1:07
am
Subject: Re: top 10
> From: LILDAVID72@a...
>
>4) the Starseeds-PARALLEL LIFE
Cool! Someone else who's heard of these guys. The track
heavensairportcoffeeshoprestaurant alone is worth the price of the album.
For those who don't know of the starseeds, their sound is hard to pin
down...think of the Cocteau Twins if they had collaborated with The Orb
back in 1991.
> 5) Undark-EMIT 3396
If you haven't heard it yet, I heartily recommend Russell Mills' (the man
behind Undark) follow-up album: Pearl and Umbra. It's more rhythmic and
diverse.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Fri Dec 17, 1999 12:15
am
Subject: Quiz of the year: the favourites
Hey, we've been making favourites list all the time.
I'll start another one.
What's your favourite Pink Years album?
What's your favourite Virgin Years album?
What's your favourite Blue Years album?
..... and so on.
What's your favourite studio TD album?
What's your favourite live TD album?
What's your favourite TD album at all?
This is my answer to this quiz:
Pink Years: Alpha Centauri
Virgin Years: Force Majeure (but don't have them all)
Blue Years: Poland (it's the only one I've got)
And I skip all the other years, 'cause I don't have any album later than
Poland.
Studio album: Force Majeure.
Live album: Gee, difficult one. OK. Ricochet. (Sorry Pergamon! Sorry Poland!)
Favourite album: Force Majeure.
Are you able to pick ONE album for each question?!
gfj
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Subject: My Top Ten
Hi Guys,
OK, because its 2 am in the morning and i'm bored out my box
at work ,here is my top ten releases of 1990
this selection is liable to change at any time depending on my mood.
Arcane / Gather darkness
Red Shift / Ether
Peter Mergener / Noises in the Sky
Lambert & Palantir /...............Can't remember the name of this due to sleep
deprivation at the moment.
Santana / Supernatural
Waveshape / Zyklus
Waveshape / Live
Ashra / live in Japan
Eric Snelders / The source of Scarlet Dreams
Ozric Tentacles / Arborescence
Here endeth my choice for this evening....................
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Gustavo Jobim > From: Flemming Larsen
>> 2. Mike Oldfield : Amarok
>>
>>
> So what's the scoop on this one? Seems like I'm missing out. The
>only Oldfield I've got is Tubular Bells and Songs of Distant Earth.
And the only Oldfield I've got is Tubular Bells and Tubular Bells 3.
Amarok seems to be a very interesting album: it has 1 track, called Amarok,
60 minutes long. (This length reminds KS.) This is often one Oldfield
favorite.
gfj
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From:
Jared White From: Gustavo Jobim
>
> Hey, we've been making favourites list all the time.
>
> I'll start another one.
>
> What's your favourite Pink Years album?
> What's your favourite Virgin Years album?
> What's your favourite Blue Years album?
> ..... and so on.
> What's your favourite studio TD album?
> What's your favourite live TD album?
> What's your favourite TD album at all?
OK, I'll bite. I'm not going to spend much time thinking about it --
I'll just put in my impulses.
Pink Years: Don't know, ain't got any
Virgin Years: Force Majeure, no wait Tangram, no wait Force Majeure, no
wait -- OK, Tangram after all. :)
Blue Years: Poland
Melrose Years: Optical Race
Seattle Years: Goblin's Club
Millennium Years: Mars Polaris
Favorite Studio Album: OK, this will have to be a completely sentimental
and emotional answer, because I couldn't possibly answer this in terms
of which music I think is the best. So, my sentimental and emotional
answer is Optical Race, because that's the first TD studio album I ever
listened to.
Favorite Live Album: 220 Volt Live (Maybe Poland will replace this in
the future)
Favorite TD Album at All: OK, so maybe I'll try to answer this more
objectively. Let me think......Well, in terms of my favorite music
intellectually (as opposed to emotionally), my answer is Oasis. That
might not be my DID, but I think it combines practically every emotional
and musical statement TD has ever done that I really love. If TD has
done work in the past with emotional content outside of the scope of
Oasis, then it's probably the stuff I don't like so much. Even music as
diverse as Dream Mixes or Melrose or Poland or Phaedra or Tangram I
think has counterpoints embedded in Oasis. That's really an amazing
piece of music. Some would say 'Well, of course Oasis has lots of quotes
from TD's past musical career -- it's just a blatant re-hash of older
musical ideas.' I say, it takes those older musical ideas and propels
them into the future. It's almost like a musical summary of Tangerine
Dream, if you will. IMHO, everything since Oasis (i. e., Millennium
Years) has been almost like a different band doing great new EM in the
vein of Tangerine Dream and others. Although I know Dream Mixes came
before Oasis, it was sort of the prologue to the Millennium Years feel.
I know some of you, while you might like Dream Mixes itself, think most
of the Millennium Years material is just boring and stupid. As you know,
I disagree completely. But that's another story....
I'm not going to do a top ten 90's list because I've forgotten what most
music sounds like outside of TD.... No, seriously, I don't actually
listen to much mainstream or EM outside of TD, Jarre, and few other
oddball artists, so my list would largely be other stuff, and I couldn't
possibly compile it into a top 10! It's more fun reading all your top
10's! :)
Ta ta for now,
Jared
From:
Jared White
From:
Jared White Seattle Years: Goblin's Club
On second thought, make that Turn of the Tides. (Boy, that's a tough
decision! We only get one pick, right?)
Later, Jared
From:
'Craig Chambers' By the way; There is an old rumour saying that Schulze got sacked from TD
>due to not living up to quality standards as a musician. Is that really
>true?
>
Maybe, maybe not. KS's drumming with Ash Ra Tempel, especially on the live
tracks from 'The Private Tapes' is IMO some of the most intense skin
pounding I have ever heard. Technical proficiency? Who knows...but sheer
power and intensity, yeah, definitely.
Craig
From:
'Owens, James E'
From:
'Owens, James E'
>By the way; There is an old rumour saying that Schulze got sacked
from TD
>due to not living up to quality standards as a musician. Is that
really
>true?
>
Maybe, maybe not. KS's drumming with Ash Ra Tempel, especially on
the live
tracks from 'The Private Tapes' is IMO some of the most intense skin
pounding I have ever heard. Technical proficiency? Who knows...but
sheer
power and intensity, yeah, definitely.
Craig
From:
Quarlie@xxx.xxx
Date: Fri Dec 17, 1999 6:51
am
Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience II: COOL!!!
In a message dated 12/16/99 11:26:54 PM, Jared White wrote:
>I was just taking a
>peek at their skimpy little 'ambient' section, and I practically choked
>when I saw 'Tangerine Ambience II' just sitting there in the front,
>plain as day. Maybe I'm crazy, but I thought that was some kind of
>esoteric, 'hard to find' item. I guess not...
In my experience, Cleopatra/Hypnotic releases are usually easy to get online,
so they aren't actually rare, but only the more popular ones show up in
stores. Of course there are exceptions, like yours. (In an odd coincidence, I
found the first Tangerine Ambience in a Borders myself, but had to order the
second one online.)
>Anyway, I got it (of
>course), and, having first previewed at Borders before I got it, I'm
>listening to it now. Pretty darn cool! It's a bit spotty, though -- so
>far, the only really funky one seems to be Tangram part I, which I'm
>listening to right this second. And Rubycon part I seemed a bit
>strange -- like, where's Rubycon??? ;)
Good question!
BTW, do you have the first TA? I think I may be disagreeing with popular
opinion, but I prefer the first one to the second (partially because the
Rubycon interpretations on the second one were such a letdown). And it has
much better cover art. ;)
--Daniel (Quarlie)
NP: Spiral Realms--Crystal Jungles of Eos
From:
'teiwaz _'
From:
Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx
Date: Fri Dec 17, 1999 7:39
am
Subject: RE: top 10
> From: pergamon@g...
>
>
> 6: Eat static : Abduction
> 7: Eat static : Implant
> 8: Eat static : Epsylon
>
>
NO OZRIC TENTACLES ??? ;-)
From:
Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx
Date: Fri Dec 17, 1999 8:26
am
Subject: Re: Tangerine Ambience II: COOL!!!
In a message dated 12/17/1999 4:26:55 AM !!!First Boot!!!, jwhite@s...
writes:
<< Pretty darn cool! It's a bit spotty, though -- so
far, the only really funky one seems to be Tangram part I, which I'm
listening to right this second. And Rubycon part I seemed a bit
strange -- like, where's Rubycon??? ;) >>
* I think the first one is MUCH better, in fact System 10 does a version
of Phaedra on that first one that is stunning.... best of the bunch as far
as I'm concerned...
Poly
From:
'web master' Pink Years: Zeit
>Virgin Years: Tangram
>Blue Years: Poland
>Studio album: Tangram
>Live album: Encore
YOU FORGOT: Soundtrack album: Sorcerer
>Favourite album: Tangram (and Exit and Thief and Legend and Firstarter)
Am I too Schmoelling-weighed? No, but I like the F-F-S period most!
Andreas Hedler
Webmaster of the Official JOHANNES SCHMOELLING Website
'http://welcome.to/Johannes-Schmoelling'
From:
Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx
Date: Fri Dec 17, 1999 9:50
am
Subject: Re: Quiz of the year: the favourites
My fav-list
Pink Years: Zeit
Virgin Years:Encore
Blue Years: Poland
Seattle Years : Tyranny of Beauty
TDI Years : Mars Polaris
Studio album: Stratosfear
Live album: Encore
Soundtrack:What a Blast
Favourite album: Encore
Bert
aka Phrozenlight
my Homepage http://phrozenlight.findhere.org/
(still under construction)
From:
'Hassinen Ami'
From:
'tom george'
From:
'tom george' From: 'tom george'
>
>
>--
>1. 'Lick'-Swollen Monkey Balls
>2. 'Rape of the Locks'-Nuns with Vaginas
>3. 'Cornfed'-Tits like Turnips
>4. 'Jellobeans'-Lizard Lips
>5. 'Ryme Tree Snake'-Collared Fornicators
>6. 'Electronic Meditation'-Tangerine Dream 7. 'Reel Bronze Buscuit'-Eaters of
Stone
>8. 'Trollip Wings'-Blister Fragment Orniments
>9. 'Deadly Care'-'Tangerine Dream'
>10.'Wavelength'-Tangerine Dream'
>
>honorable mention
>
>'Clovenhoof Ninjas'- Three Fingered Projectile
> Vomiters
>
>
>Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com
>
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>
>What's Johannes Schmoellling up to these days? Find out at
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>
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Larry E Smith >> 2. Mike Oldfield : Amarok
> >>
> >>
> > So what's the scoop on this one? Seems like I'm missing
> out. The
> >only Oldfield I've got is Tubular Bells and Songs of Distant Earth.
>
> And the only Oldfield I've got is Tubular Bells and Tubular Bells 3.
> Amarok seems to be a very interesting album: it has 1 track, called
> Amarok,
> 60 minutes long. (This length reminds KS.) This is often one
> Oldfield
> favorite.
>
>
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From:
'twosheds' What's your favourite Pink Years album? EM, without a doubt
>What's your favourite Virgin Years album? Encore
>What's your favourite Blue Years album? Thief
>..... and so on.
>What's your favourite studio TD album? Does Thief count?
>What's your favourite live TD album? Pergamon. Johannes rules!
>What's your favourite TD album at all? Pergamon or Thief
My top 10 of the '90s (Not in order):
1. TD - Ambient Monkeys
2. Phish - Hampton comes alive
3. ekoostik Hookah - Where the fields grow green
4. Grateful Dead - Dozin' at the Knick
5. TD - Melrose
6. Phish - A live one
7. Pink Floyd - Pulse
8. Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds - Live at Luther College
9. Fish - Internal Exile
10. Marillion - Six of one...
Scott
From:
Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx
Date: Fri Dec 17, 1999 2:53
pm
Subject: RE: Let the Top 10s Begin!
It is a good Album
don't think but BUY
> From: Larry E Smith
>
> Actually, I keep thinking about buying 'Sohoman', despite knowing it's
> been doctored up a bit. I just like that era. But no one has put that
> their top 90's TD list yet that I have noticed...
>
> Larry
>
>
Greetings
Bert
From:
Antonio Nunes voted:
> 2. Rubycon - Tangerine Dream
Rubycon from the 90s? Only if it's the infamous Rubycon Revisited ;-)
The original Rubycon is from 1975.
Regards,
Antonio Nunes
From:
'Pergamon'
To:
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 8:39 AM
Subject: RE: [tadream] top 10
> From: Bert.Hulshoff@N...
>
>
>
> > From: pergamon@g...
> >
> >
> > 6: Eat static : Abduction
> > 7: Eat static : Implant
> > 8: Eat static : Epsylon
> >
> >
> NO OZRIC TENTACLES ??? ;-)
>
> > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail
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> Website: http://tadream.copfer.com
>
> What's Johannes Schmoellling up to these days? Find out at
http://members.tripod.de/Theta/html/index.htm.
>
From:
Sean Montgomery
From:
'Pergamon' From: Jared White
>Hey, forgot to mention something -- I couldn't believe my eyes today
>when I was at my local Borders in Santa Rosa, CA; I was just taking a
>peek at their skimpy little 'ambient' section, and I practically choked
>when I saw 'Tangerine Ambience II' just sitting there in the front,
>plain as day. Maybe I'm crazy, but I thought that was some kind of
>esoteric, 'hard to find' item. I guess not.... Anyway, I got it (of
>course), and, having first previewed at Borders before I got it, I'm
>listening to it now. Pretty darn cool! It's a bit spotty, though -- so
>far, the only really funky one seems to be Tangram part I, which I'm
>listening to right this second. And Rubycon part I seemed a bit
>strange -- like, where's Rubycon??? ;)
You can't expect to find the music totally alike, it is another musicians
version of the original. If people wanted it to sound like the original, they
can buy the original. Some of the guy's behind Tangerine ambience 1 & 2, has
also made the Jarre-tribute, Jarrelogic (not very good) and the tribute to
Schultze. The track Yes I am sequencer, is a great track. Mostly when you make
tribute-albums, it is a policy from the artist and the record-company, that
they must not sound exactly like the original. And sometimes the musicians get
free hands with the track, from the original artist.
I personaly like the White eagle version on TA 2 and the Exit version on TA 1 (
I know I am going to get it for this, but I think that the Exit version on TA 1
is better than the original, I like the strings better, they are more floating,
and give the track a more heavenly touch)
>It's rather scary when funky covers of TD are light-years ahead of most
>of the crap in the 'Electronic' genre. While all that
>Dance/Techno/Trance/Jungle/etc., etc. stuff has been largely responsible
>for the recent 'analog synth' comeback, it seemes to me for the most
>part to be just a bunch of mindless drum machine and computer blip
>noise. You say you've heard half-dead DJs after six hours shifts do
>better stuff with their drum machines than TD lately? Pppfff....
If you take the fact that the recent releases from TD is inspired by the
techno-genre ( the breakbeats and the faster bpm) I would say that they are not
doing a very good job, I could name several techno artist that were more
capable of making better things with their drummachines than TD. Not that I
dislike what TD is doing, but other artist are more into that genre than TD. TD
has their own way of doing things. If you for example take Astral Projection,
they make great melodic floating Trance / Goa, not like the, in my opinion,
simple psy-trance, that only consist of drums, bass, and some trippy blips and
blops. But to say that TD is more capable of making greater things than others,
is wrong. Every artist have their ways of doing things. Even if you hated for
example techno, you can not disregard the fact that there is brilliant
musicians in that genre.
Jan Aunsholt
From:
Glenn Reinicke From: Jared White
> I thought the Riven soundtrack was brilliant!
>
From what I read, he used a Korg Trinity and Yamaha VL-1 (and lots
of reverb!). Definitely made the game. Wish he'd do more of that.
From:
'Marcel Engels' From: Larry E Smith
>
> I may be alone on this, but after hearing so many positive remarks on
> 'Amarok' I bought it several years ago (I had a difficult time finding
> it). However, I was very disappointed with it and eventually traded it.
> For me, 'Songs of Distant Earth' is far superior to it.
:-)
Over smaak valt niet te twisten...
It's great to see such different tastes. It's exactly the opposite
for me.
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
Email :fsp@w...
I'll try to upload my top10 tonight, I'm not sure if there are any TDs
in it though
From:
'koulos_'
From:
'Paul Fellows'
From:
'Thomas'
From:
'Pergamon'
From:
Flemming Larsen > 2. Mike Oldfield : Amarok
> So what's the scoop on this one? Seems like I'm missing out. The
>only Oldfield I've got is Tubular Bells and Songs of Distant Earth.
(And I have 98% os all his releases. It's becomming increasingly
difficult to find more stuff I don't have. One surprice was the Promo
version of Millennium Bell. The promo is somewhat different and better)
Amarok is completely different from TSODE and Tubular Bells.
It's one long massive 60 min track. No indexes.
Amarok is a fast paced album which changes themes and directions
continously. Sometimes soft and mellow and suddenly screaming loud.
For this reason very few people have discovered this album. You
eighter love it or hate it to death.
Oldfield played more than 60 instruments on this album and there is
very little synth work going on. The album is full of encredible guitar
work, fine rythmical arrangements using everything from traditional
drums to squeaky toydogs and an ever present Oldfield humor.
Amarok is a very unique album. It's constant changes, the blistering
instrumentation and the extraordinary way it's put together, makes
it an album not like any other. As Mike Oldfield writes on the back
cover :
Health warning ! This record could be hazardous to the health of
cloth-eared nincompoops. If you suffer from this condition, consult your
Doctor immediately.
The end of Amarok draws on rythmical elements from Ommadawn,
and it's has often been referred to as Ommadawn 2, though I don't
see any particular similarities between the two except for the ending.
Amarok is my all time favourite Oldfield album. I just never get tired
of listening to it, because there is so much going on on this album.
Well let's get back on topic .
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The devine intergalactical bassdrum connecting the
tribes of our solar systems. ----Yello----
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From:
'joe shoults'
Date: Fri Dec 17, 1999 9:16
pm
Subject: Re: Quiz of the year: the favourites
-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: [tadream] Quiz of the year: the favourites
Pink Years: Green Desert
Virgin Years: Tangram, with a very close second being Force Majeure (tough
category!)
Blue Years: Underwater Sunlight
Melrose Years: Melrose
Seattle Years: Goblin's Club ...hands down
Millennium Years: Mars Polaris, with Dream Mixes 1 a very close second
Studio: Tangram
Live: Ricochet
Overall: Tangram or FM
Joe
From:
Gustavo Jobim Amarok is completely different from TSODE and Tubular Bells.
>It's one long massive 60 min track. No indexes.
Actually, there's a amazingly huge Oldfield discography (just to give an
idea: it shows releases from other countries), in which I think - not sure
- I saw a indexed description of the parts of Amarok. If it wasn't in this
discography, it was somewhere else.
>Amarok is a very unique album. It's constant changes, the blistering
>instrumentation and the extraordinary way it's put together, makes
>it an album not like any other. As Mike Oldfield writes on the back
>cover :
>Health warning ! This record could be hazardous to the health of
>cloth-eared nincompoops. If you suffer from this condition, consult your
>Doctor immediately.
I really like this Oldfield humour. It's written in Tubular Bells: 'In
Glorious Stereophonic Sound - Can also be played on mono equipment at a
pinch' and 'This stereo record cannot be played on old tin boxes no matter
what they are fitted with. If you are in possession of such equipment
please hand it into the nearest police station.'
And let's go back to TD.
gfj
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Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
';-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dusty ;-Chalk' ...I found Romance 76...and I
> listened......WOOW!!!!. If you are into the Stratosfear sound, this is
> the record. This album, at times a bit naive, is a very good record. If
> you got it, put it on again and enjoy it, if you haven't got it...GET
> IT!!!
From:
Sean Montgomery inAlong with some other stuff by
> Tangerine Dream, Glass, Oldfield, and others there is a small collection
> of 'Desert Island Discs' that I never put away. Some of them are
> 'Glassworks', 'Koyaanisqatsi', the Ghost in the Shell soundtrack,
> Tangram, Force Majeure [of course], Stuntman, etc. and Romance 76 (again,
> particularly side B -- side A is good, but it's right on par with most
> of the rest of the Tangerine Dream catalog; I would say Encore is a good
> reference point, too, along with Stratosfear).
> --
> I remain,
> :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk
>
> On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Pergamon wrote:
>
> > ...I found Romance 76...and I
> > listened......WOOW!!!!. If you are into the Stratosfear sound, this is
> > the record. This album, at times a bit naive, is a very good record. If
> > you got it, put it on again and enjoy it, if you haven't got it...GET
> > IT!!!
>
> > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail
tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://tadream.copfer.com
>
> What's Johannes Schmoellling up to these days? Find out at
http://members.tripod.de/Theta/html/index.htm.
>
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Kevin Earley'
From:
Sean Montgomery From: ';-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dusty ;-Chalk'
>
> I have to agree with you. Side two is still one of my favorite
> instrumental pieces of all time. Along with some other stuff by
> Tangerine Dream, Glass, Oldfield, and others there is a small collection
> of 'Desert Island Discs' that I never put away. Some of them are
> 'Glassworks', 'Koyaanisqatsi'
Sorry about the previous post...I hit reply prematurely! All I wanted to
do was lead everyone in the Glass chant:
'Koy-yawwwwwwwn-is-scot-see......'
I have a deep voice, so I get a kick out of singing that.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
'Pergamon' 'Koy-yawwwwwwwn-is-scot-see......'
>
> I have a deep voice, so I get a kick out of singing that.
:-))))))))))))))) *LOL* Don't do that......I almost
spilled......hmmmm....milk on my computer.
Jan
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From:
'Pergamon' From: ';-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dusty ;-Chalk'
>
> I have to agree with you. Side two is still one of my favorite
> instrumental pieces of all time. Along with some other stuff by
> Tangerine Dream, Glass, Oldfield, and others there is a small collection
> of 'Desert Island Discs' that I never put away. Some of them are
> 'Glassworks', 'Koyaanisqatsi', the Ghost in the Shell soundtrack,
> Tangram, Force Majeure [of course], Stuntman, etc. and Romance 76 (again,
> particularly side B -- side A is good, but it's right on par with most
> of the rest of the Tangerine Dream catalog; I would say Encore is a good
> reference point, too, along with Stratosfear).
> --
> I remain,
> :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk
>
You are right about side two, allthough it is a bit dark at times. The funny
thing is that if you listen to side one, you can recognize some of the
synth-riffs from Stratosfear, the last track on side two, (ups!!! can't
remember the tracktitle), I am referring to the fast part with a light
synthlead sound.
Jan
From:
Synthhtnys@a...
Date: Fri Dec 17, 1999 10:31
pm
Subject: Re: The world's only minimalist joke
Knock, knock
who's there?
Knock knock
who's there?
Knock knock
who's there?
Knock knock
who's there?
Phillip Glass ;-)
Poly
<< Sorry about the previous post...I hit reply prematurely! All I wanted to
do was lead everyone in the Glass chant:
'Koy-yawwwwwwwn-is-scot-see......'
>>
From:
Jared White
Date: Fri Dec 17, 1999 10:45
pm
Subject: RE: Re: top 10 of the 90s
> From: Antonio Nunes
>
> Here are my favourites of the 90s:
> Enigma - MCMXC a.D. (1990)
> Jean Michel Jarre - Chronologie (1993)
> Sorry, no votes for TD. I think they replaced quality by
> quantity in the
> 90s.
??? Wha-a-a...t? You think Enigma MCMXC a. D. and JMJ Chronologie are
better than anything TD's done this decade?
Yours ?!?!,
Jared
From:
'Tony Walsh'
Date: Fri Dec 17, 1999 8:19
pm
Subject: Re: Dell couldn't resist
----- Original Message -----
From:
> I hope I never get that jaded.
Me too!
T.
From:
'Tony Walsh'
Date: Fri Dec 17, 1999 8:53
pm
Subject: Re: D:Live [Pergamon]
----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Heiko Heerßen'
>
> Recorded on January 31, 1980
>
20 years.....
Reflecting on something like that tends to change one's perspective a bit.
I love Pergamon and I saw TD play in Manchester the following autumn (after
Tangram's release in the UK) and if my memory serves the set was very
similar.
I'd love to hear the whole 100 mimute set of one of these gigs one day.
Dream on!
T..
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From:
'Tony Walsh'
Date: Fri Dec 17, 1999 10:08
pm
Subject: Re: Re: D:Studio [Force Majeure]
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawry Simm
>
> >3. Thru Metamorphic Rocks
> >I really wonder why it's 'thru' and not 'through.' I suppose it
> doesn't
> >affect the music either way.
>
> Perhaps Ed was a COBOL programmer... might explain the hairdo! :-)
>
> Lawry
>
Superb! I scared the cat when started laughing at this one!
T.
From:
Jared White
Date: Fri Dec 17, 1999 10:58
pm
Subject: RE: RE: Tangerine Ambience II: COOL!!!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...]
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 9:12 AM
> To: tadream@o...
> Subject: [tadream] RE: Tangerine Ambience II: COOL!!!
>
> If you take the fact that the recent releases from TD is
> inspired by the techno-genre ( the breakbeats and the faster
> bpm) I would say that they are not doing a very good job, I
> could name several techno artist that were more capable of
> making better things with their drummachines than TD.
I'm not interested in drum machines, I'm interested in music.
> Not
> that I dislike what TD is doing, but other artist are more
> into that genre than TD.
Thankfully!
> TD has their own way of doing
> things. If you for example take Astral Projection, they make
> great melodic floating Trance / Goa, not like the, in my
> opinion, simple psy-trance, that only consist of drums, bass,
> and some trippy blips and blops. But to say that TD is more
> capable of making greater things than others, is wrong.
Why?
> Every
> artist have their ways of doing things. Even if you hated for
> example techno, you can not disregard the fact that there is
> brilliant musicians in that genre.
Such as....?
Boom bam boom -- I'm sick to death of it already.
Jared
From:
'Jens Peschke'
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 11:07
pm
Subject: ozric tentacles/Eat Static was re: top 10
> No, sorry, I must admit that I haven't heard them yet. Yes I know it is a
lack in my musical >experience. But it sounds to me that they are worth it
??????
Jan, Eat Static are an offshot of the Ozric Tentacles, OT being
prog rock (of the 70s) orientated. I do like their Erpland
but it's very different to any ES you mentioned. Don't expect anything like
Epsilon or Area 51. It is, however, worth a try if you like 70s inpired prog
rock, OT are
good at it.
Hope this helps
Jens
ps: Someone mentioned Glass, Oldfield and Tangram/Force Majeure/Romance 76.
These are almost exactly my all time faves as well. You might love
Friedemann's Indian Summer
as well. He's a highly overlooked south German composer & guitarist doing
modern chamber music with acoustic instruments and some synth. You might try
him in particular if you love Hergest Ridge and Koy..
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Fri Dec 17, 1999 11:14
pm
Subject: Sv: RE: Tangerine Ambience II: COOL!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Jared White
To:
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 11:58 PM
Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Tangerine Ambience II: COOL!!!
> From: Jared White
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...]
> > Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 9:12 AM
> > To: tadream@o...
> > Subject: [tadream] RE: Tangerine Ambience II: COOL!!!
> >
> > If you take the fact that the recent releases from TD is
> > inspired by the techno-genre ( the breakbeats and the faster
> > bpm) I would say that they are not doing a very good job, I
> > could name several techno artist that were more capable of
> > making better things with their drummachines than TD.
>
> I'm not interested in drum machines, I'm interested in music.
What I was trying to say is that there are musicians that are capable of using
the drummachine in their music a better way. Using it to its limits.
> > Not
> > that I dislike what TD is doing, but other artist are more
> > into that genre than TD.
>
> Thankfully!
I agree, I think that TD should stay away from the technogenre, because they
have so many skills themselves, and make great and beautiful music.
> > TD has their own way of doing
> > things. If you for example take Astral Projection, they make
> > great melodic floating Trance / Goa, not like the, in my
> > opinion, simple psy-trance, that only consist of drums, bass,
> > and some trippy blips and blops. But to say that TD is more
> > capable of making greater things than others, is wrong.
>
> Why?
Because that depends on the genre, and to the listener. I myself put TD before
any band, but that doesn't mean that the other musicians/bands can't make
better music. If we for example discuss the technical side of musicmaking,
their have been musicians/bands/composers that have made 'better' music than TD
(Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, to name a few.
> > Every
> > artist have their ways of doing things. Even if you hated for
> > example techno, you can not disregard the fact that there is
> > brilliant musicians in that genre.
>
> Such as....?
Astral Projection, FSOL, Eat Static for example
> Boom bam boom -- I'm sick to death of it already.
>
> Jared
:-)
Jan
> > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail
tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://tadream.copfer.com
>
> What's Johannes Schmoellling up to these days? Find out at
http://members.tripod.de/Theta/html/index.htm.
>
From:
'Pergamon'
Date: Fri Dec 17, 1999 11:21
pm
Subject: Sv: ozric tentacles/Eat Static was re: top 10
Hey Jens
As I wrote to another guy responding to the thread, do I feel
stupid....DUUUHHH!!! after all these years being a fan of Eat Static and not
knowing about OT. Well.....I visited their homepage and listened to a couple of
musicclips, and it sounds interesting, no doubt they were inspired by TD. I
have promised myself that they are worth a try. That goes for Friedemann as
well.
Thanks
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: Jens Peschke
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 12:07 AM
Subject: [tadream] ozric tentacles/Eat Static was re: top 10
> From: 'Jens Peschke'
>
> > No, sorry, I must admit that I haven't heard them yet. Yes I know it is a
> lack in my musical >experience. But it sounds to me that they are worth it
> ??????
>
> Jan, Eat Static are an offshot of the Ozric Tentacles, OT being
> prog rock (of the 70s) orientated. I do like their Erpland
> but it's very different to any ES you mentioned. Don't expect anything like
> Epsilon or Area 51. It is, however, worth a try if you like 70s inpired prog
> rock, OT are
> good at it.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Jens
>
> ps: Someone mentioned Glass, Oldfield and Tangram/Force Majeure/Romance 76.
> These are almost exactly my all time faves as well. You might love
> Friedemann's Indian Summer
> as well. He's a highly overlooked south German composer & guitarist doing
> modern chamber music with acoustic instruments and some synth. You might try
> him in particular if you love Hergest Ridge and Koy..
>
> > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail
tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://tadream.copfer.com
>
> What's Johannes Schmoellling up to these days? Find out at
http://members.tripod.de/Theta/html/index.htm.
>
From:
'Jens Peschke' > Such as....?
To which Jan replied:
> Astral Projection, FSOL, Eat Static for example
I've to backup Jan here. There are some artists
doing that thingy way way better than Tangerine Dream (and Oldfield AND
Jarre !, of course).
Paul Van Dyk, Warp level artists such as Link (=Global Communication),
Speedy J., Balil, Richard H. Kirk, Sven Väth & Autechre.
If you know how good it can get, you find yourself not being amused
by any of those attempts. It is, however, hard to find techno-ish stuff
you like out there. I liked quite a few releases in that genre not very
much,
it is miss and miss and hit & miss unless you know people who can guide you.
Best Regards
Jens
From:
'Lawry Simm'
From:
'Lawry Simm' hello
>It was difficult to chose my top 10, especially without including
more than
>3 TD albums. However, my top 10 are:
>9. Equinoxe - Jean Michel Jarre
Erm... I think you will find Equinoxe was recorded in 1978
Lawry
lawrysimm@u...
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Instant Messenger - lawrysimm
From:
'Lawry Simm'
From:
Jared White From: 'Pergamon'
>
> > > TD has their own way of doing
> > > things. If you for example take Astral Projection, they make
> > > great melodic floating Trance / Goa, not like the, in my
> > > opinion, simple psy-trance, that only consist of drums, bass,
> > > and some trippy blips and blops. But to say that TD is more
> > > capable of making greater things than others, is wrong.
> >
> > Why?
>
> Because that depends on the genre, and to the listener. I
> myself put TD before any band, but that doesn't mean that the
> other musicians/bands can't make better music. If we for
> example discuss the technical side of musicmaking, their have
> been musicians/bands/composers that have made 'better' music
> than TD (Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, to name a few.
I was being a bit silly, I admit, when I replied to you above. Yes, TD
isn't like 'the greatest music ever made', but what I was trying to say
is: Edgar and Jerome got talent to burn, and, IMHO, who cares if their
techno-like stuff isn't, theoretically, 'the best techno ever made'? The
music is what counts, and their 'techno-like' music has depth and
mystery and majesty and musical power that true techno rarely seems to
even attempt to get close to, IMHO.
OK, I think that's enough for this subject. Next.... :)
Jared
From:
AOutland@xxx.xxx
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 12:40
am
Subject: Re: TD movies
I found this in an old email. I don't think it's complete. But it's a start.
8-) Dell
On the Internet Movie DataBase here is the listing of all the movies for
which TD wrote music:
Tangerine Dream
Composer filmography (1990s) (1980s) (1970s)
1.Memphis PD: War on the Streets (1996) (TV)
2.Switch, The (1993) (TV)
3.Rainbow Drive (1990) (TV)
4.Man Inside, The (1990)
5.Miracle Mile (1989)
6.Catch Me If You Can (1989)
7.Dead Solid Perfect (1988) (TV)
8.Tonight's the Night (1987) (TV)
... aka Game of Love, The (1987) (TV)
9.Near Dark (1987)
10.Shy People (1987)
11.Three O'Clock High (1987)
12.Park Is Mine, The (1986) (TV)
13.Versteckt (1985)
... aka Forbidden (1985) (USA)
14.Legend (1985) (US version)
... aka Legend of Darkness (1984) (UK: working title)
15.Red Heat (1985)
16.'Street Hawk' (1985) TV Series
17.Vision Quest (1985)
... aka Crazy For You (1985)
18.Firestarter (1984)
19.Flashpoint (1984)
20.Heartbreakers (1984)
21.Keep, The (1983)
22.Risky Business (1983)
23.Wavelength (1983)
24.Identificazione di una donna (1982)
... aka Identification d'une femme (1982) (France)
... aka Identification of a Woman (1982)
25.Soldier, The (1982)
... aka Codename: The Soldier (1982)
26.Thief (1981)
... aka Violent Street (1981)
27.Dead Kids (1981)
... aka Small Town Massacre (1981)
... aka Strange Behavior (1981)
28.Game Over (1978)
29.Kneuss (1978)
30.Sorcerer (1977)
... aka Wages of Fear (1977)
From:
Gustavo Jobim Pink Years: Green Desert
>Favourite album: green desert[ok it was my first one.....]
I think Green Desert shouldn't be in the Pink Years category, it should
have a category of it's own - the Purple record. It was recorded during the
Pink and remixed, tangentized, etc during the Blue Years...
And it's way too different from the pink albums. I think it's bluer than pink.
gfj
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From:
Gustavo Jobim > From: Jared White
>> I thought the Riven soundtrack was brilliant!
>>
> From what I read, he used a Korg Trinity and Yamaha VL-1 (and lots
>of reverb!). Definitely made the game. Wish he'd do more of that.
Of course it made the game, because Riven was a puzzle slideshow...
Not that I think the game was bad. I just really didn't like it.
gfj
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Gustavo Jobim >What's your favourite Pink Years album? EM, without a doubt
Gee, I've never seen that opinion.
>>What's your favourite Virgin Years album? Encore
>>What's your favourite Blue Years album? Thief
>>..... and so on.
just a note: 'so on' meant melrose years, seattle years, and millennium years.
>>What's your favourite studio TD album? Does Thief count?
Well yeah, it's from studio, right?
gfj
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Gustavo F. Jobim
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From:
RBrown4856@xxx.xxx
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 5:06
am
Subject: Kraftwerk Euro2000
Greetings All!
This is off topic but I thought some of you may be interested in knowing that
AB-CD has this new 4 track single available for 10.97.
The web address is WWW.AB-CD.COM
Rick
From:
'marc todd'
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 2:49
pm
Subject: 90's Faves
After reading some of the other top ten lists, I realized just how many cd's
I've purchased and never got around to listening to completely. I'll
purchase it for a song I heard on the radio, but just don't seem to listen
to the rest. Otherwise here in no order are my top ten 90's:
1) Kansas - Always Never the Same
2) Kate Bush - The Red Shoes
3) Inspiral Carpets - Revenge of the Goldfish
4) Pet Shop Boys - Essential (lots of rare and never before on cd
remixes).
5)Henryk Gorecki - Symphony No.3 (Composed in 1976, the only cd I
could find of this was issued in '92. Simply put, it is the most
haunting music I've ever heard).
6) Enigma - Cross of Changes
7) Gary Numan - Outland (takes a few listens to overcome the
freakiness of it all)
8) Anything by RMI (What can I say?? Epic song lengths, superb
sequencing, heavenly mellotron textures, I'm in EM bliss)!!
9) Ditto for AirSculpture
10 Ditto for Robert Fox (Except his last, Into the Light because I
didn't care for the spoken verses used throughout the cd).
Sadly no TD. Their 90's music just doesn't hold up well for repeated
listenings. No Icehouse either, but I don't think they released anything
during the 90's.
Cheers!
Marc
From:
Jared White From: Gustavo Jobim
>
> > From what I read, he used a Korg Trinity and Yamaha VL-1 (and lots
> >of reverb!). Definitely made the game. Wish he'd do more of that.
>
> Of course it made the game, because Riven was a puzzle slideshow...
Riven is *not*, I repeat ***NOT*** just a 'puzzle slideshow'. It is, quite
simply, the most incredible computer entertainment adventure ever devised.
In fact, it's beyond 'computer' or 'entertainment'. It's one of the great
works of art of the 20th Century. To call it a game is like calling
Beethoven 'late 18th-early 19th century orchestral music of a somewhat
German persuasion'. It's a term below the level of the subject in question.
> Not that I think the game was bad. I just really didn't like it.
Like I said, it isn't a game. For a game, it sucks. For an adventure of epic
proportions, a world of beauty, mystery, and intrigue magically wrapped up
into a computer program, it's a human creation to rank up there with the
great wonders of the world. I'm being serious here. I'd not hesitate to call
it the Mona Lisa of the burgeoning 3D interactive world genre.
I'm sorry, I'm just an extremely loyal fan of both Myst and Riven, which, I
might add, is one of the main reasons I got into both computer graphics and
electronic music. I might not be here today without them, really. Long
before I started truly getting into TD, I was listening to the sublime Riven
soundtrack thinking 'man, I gotta get more music like this'. OK, so Goblin's
Club ain't exactly Riven, but you know what? It's really not that different,
in a strange sort of way....
Regards,
Jared
From:
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Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 9:37
am
Subject: Re: D:Live [Pergamon]
------- Tony Says ------
>I love Pergamon and I saw TD play in Manchester the following autumn (after
>Tangram's release in the UK) and if my memory serves the set was very
>similar.
hmmm, i saw them in Derby during the same tour and yes they did play Tangram one
of the best gigs i have ever been to,along with Camel in 76 that is.......and i
would dearly love to be able to listen to this again someday, anybody have the
Derby 1980 gig? if so i would love to hear from you.;-)
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From:
'Lawry Simm'
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 10:48
am
Subject: Discussion Week 15 9 Sunday 19th December 1999
Next up is the classic 'Tangram'.
Please make your subject read 'D:Studio [Tangram]' when replying.
Samples can be found at
http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/tangram1.ram
http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/tangram2.ram
and you should be able to find the first midi file that I did, Tangram
(Solution Part) at www.thisolehouse.freeserve.co.uk/midi best heard
with something like Wingroove Player.
As next week is Christmas, and the week after is New Year, I suggest
that we do Tangram for a week, then put up the next one for 2 weeks to
allow people that might not get online much over Christmas to take
part. The other option is a clean 2 week break after Tangram. What do
you think?
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From:
'Hassinen Ami'
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 2:27
pm
Subject: RE: Tangerine Ambience II: COOL!!!
>From: Jared White
>It's rather scary when funky covers of TD are light-years ahead of most
>of the crap in the 'Electronic' genre. While all that
>Dance/Techno/Trance/Jungle/etc., etc. stuff has been largely responsible
>for the recent 'analog synth' comeback, it seemes to me for the most
>part to be just a bunch of mindless drum machine and computer blip
>noise. You say you've heard half-dead DJs after six hours shifts do
>better stuff with their drum machines than TD lately? Pppfff....
To heck with the lurkmode! Gotta comment this thread...
To everyone (and Jared especially) who don´t care too much about bass drums
and 909 hihat sounds
I must recommend highly Ashra´s 'Sauce Holländaise' or better still, 'live
in Tokyo'. They prove that vintage synth music elements can be blended with
techno rhythms with ease and style. At least, they succeed in avoiding that
'oh, my grandfather tries to look cool with that smiley T-shirt and MTV
haircut again'-feeling some of us are familiar with when listening to some
particular recordings ;-)
cheers,
Ami
From:
Vic Rek
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 3:31
pm
Subject: Re: Macula Transfer
> Any information on its current availability would be greatly appreciated. Why
does Edgar do these things?
Macula Transfer was released on the Manikin label without Edgar's
permission and as soon as the CD came out I think he threatened a
lawsuit, thus the reason why so few were released.
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 3:39
pm
Subject: Re: Purple Green Desert - Re: td bests
Gustavo Jobim wrote:
> I think Green Desert shouldn't be in the Pink Years category, it should
> have a category of it's own - the Purple record.
Perhaps the *Green* Years? :-)
> It was recorded during the
> Pink and remixed, tangentized, etc during the Blue Years...
I'm not so sure about the tangentize thing on this album. I'm comparing
right now the tracks on the 'Green Desert' CD with the same tracks on
the 'Dream Roots Collection' album. The track 'Green Desert' is
noticeably tangentized on the 'Dream Roots Collection' album, and so my
question is - would Edgar tangentize a track which had been tangentized
already? On the other hand, the other 3 tracks on DRC seem to be left
unchanged, except that they were shortened a little, and so you may
argue that Edgar didn't tangentize them on the DRC album because they
had been tangentized already on the GD album! Anyway one thing is
certain, Edgar likes this album very much, because he included all its
tracks in the 'Dream Roots Collection'.
Antonio Nunes
np: Green Desert
From:
Antonio Nunes
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 3:45
pm
Subject: RE: Re: top 10 of the 90s
Jared White wrote:
> ??? Wha-a-a...t? You think Enigma MCMXC a. D. and JMJ Chronologie are
> better than anything TD's done this decade?
Your words, not mine.
Antonio Nunes
np: TD - Dream Roots Collection CD one
From:
Christian Villazón
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 4:05
pm
Subject: RE: Re: top 10 of the 90s
Hello
I am really sorry for including albums out of 90s (Rubycon, Blade Runner,
Equinoxe), but those are so good. I did not realize. Here is again my top
10:
1. Melrose - Tangerine Dream
2. Turn of the Tides - Tangerine Dream
3. Goblin's Club - Tangerine Dream
4. Chronologie - Jean Michel Jarre
5. Pulse - Pink Floyd
6. Waiting for Cousteau - Jena Michell Jarre
7. Elemental - Tears for Fears
8. Hong Kong - Jean Michell Jarre
9. Kings of Spain - Tears for Fears
10. Acropolis - Yanni
-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:ajogon@m...]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 12:10 PM
To: tadream@o...
Subject: [tadream] Re: top 10 of the 90s
From: Antonio Nunes
Christian Villazón voted:
> 2. Rubycon - Tangerine Dream
Rubycon from the 90s? Only if it's the infamous Rubycon Revisited ;-)
The original Rubycon is from 1975.
Regards,
Antonio Nunes
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From:
'Robert'
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 4:29
pm
Subject: Re: 90's Top Ten
Hi
In no particular order:
- Bill Nelson - My Secret Studio Vol.1
- The Aloof - This Constant Chase For Thrills
- Porcupine Tree - Coma Divine
- Can Atilla - AVE
- Haslinger - Score
- Pat Metheny - Secret Story
- T21 - Gohohako
- Hate Dept. - Omnipresent
- Cosmic Baby - Thinking about myself
- Clock DVA - Digital Soundtracks
Ask again tomorrow and you would get 10 different ones......
Oh - TD - make it a Top100 and they might be in there.
regards
Robert
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 3:06
pm
Subject: gits - Re: Peter Baumann
there is a small collection
>of 'Desert Island Discs' that I never put away. Some of them are
>'Glassworks', 'Koyaanisqatsi', the Ghost in the Shell soundtrack,
Yes!!! It's great, isn't it?
And so is the anime itself. It's a classic.
By the way, is there a CD of the GitS soundtrack?
And did you know the main character's name (Motoko) is an anagram of
Akira's creator (Somebody Kotomo)?
gfj
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 6:47
pm
Subject: Re: Re: Purple Green Desert
>> I think Green Desert shouldn't be in the Pink Years category, it should
>> have a category of it's own - the Purple record.
>
>Perhaps the *Green* Years? :-)
Actually, Purple, which is a mix between Pink and Blue.
>> It was recorded during the
>> Pink and remixed, tangentized, etc during the Blue Years...
>
>I'm not so sure about the tangentize thing on this album. I'm comparing
>right now the tracks on the 'Green Desert' CD with the same tracks on
>the 'Dream Roots Collection' album. The track 'Green Desert' is
>noticeably tangentized on the 'Dream Roots Collection' album, and so my
>question is - would Edgar tangentize a track which had been tangentized
>already?
Why not? If it was really tangentized before, it was tangentized 10 years
more or less before Dream Roots. Maybe he wanted to give the track a more
modern feel or whatever.
>On the other hand, the other 3 tracks on DRC seem to be left
>unchanged, except that they were shortened a little, and so you may
>argue that Edgar didn't tangentize them on the DRC album because they
>had been tangentized already on the GD album!
I'm almost sure about that - Green Desert seems miles away from the other
pink albums, and the sequence in Astral Voyager is so Blue Years... As I
said before, GD is a lot more Blue than Pink.
>Antonio Nunes
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 6:51
pm
Subject: Time Travel (it's not offtopic, I swear)
Hi everyone!
Just after venturing in the pink albums, I found a TD album in a nice price
today. I'm listening to it for the first time right now.
I'm talking about 220 Volt. I made a 20 years travel, from 1973 to 1993.
What a shock!
This album is surely great, now listening [Homeless - 6:50]. I found the
beat presence you talked about here - just noticed that they had acoustic
percussion in the beginning (pink years), then changed to sequencers all
the time, then it seems they went back to the percussion - or is it only in
this album? [Homeless - 9:00]. Very interesting variety of moods, always
shifting between |heeey, a sequence! [Sundance Kid, 1:50] - very nice to
hear this.| as I was saying, always shifting between slow, or calm music,
and |Am I hearing a Pergamon descendant here? Just heard a tone from
Pergamon... [S. Kid, 3:**]| a faster sound. This track seems really more
70s Tangeriney.
I'm remembering 220 Volt, the track, now. You know those 4 notes? Aren't
they similar to Tubular Bells 3' ending in Far Above The Clouds??!
[Homeless 8:00] Nice ending. [Backstreet Hero 0:10] more sequence, and nice
beginning too. This album is reminding me of Relentless/Twinsen's Odyssey,
I really don't know why. They have something in common.
This album is really very good, but I have a strange feeling. It seems that
something is missing or lacking in 220 Volt live. Maybe it's the shock of
nine years between the latest album I had, Poland, and this one.
The guitar sessions here are certainly better than in the old albums. Are
they only from Jerome or Edgar improved his abilities? And where can I
hear this Zlatko guy? [Backstreet Hero 4:40] The middle of this track seems
a little jazzy...
And is that alone one in the little photo with the musicians list on his
right Jerome?!? If that's him, I prefer his photo in Phaedra... or Atem.
And why did they used those tiny sizes for the photographies? I can barely
see who is in the photos.
One thing I didn't like in this CD was the cover. It isn't that bad, but
they could've done better. It looks like a bootleg cover.
[The Blue Bridge] I've got nothing against saxophone, but not in a
Tangerine Dream track... It sounds so strange. Maybe they used sax because
it was a North American tour. The ending is beautiful, however. [Hamlet] Oh
good, I hear a sequence. Why does this remind me of Yanni Live at the
Acropolis?
I think what is lacking in this album is the energy of things like Ricochet
and Quichotte. Maybe too much guitar and percussion? I don't know. 220 Volt
live also reminds me of Tubular Bells 3. Why does the elements in these
tracks seem to join the music loud and then go to the background? This is
so annoying.
220 Volt live seems to get.. I wouldn't say worse. It seems to get 'less
good' as the time passes and the tracks finish and the next track begins.
You know what's happening to artists like TD, Jarre and Oldfield? Their
music in the early days was like a feast full of different meals and
ingredients, and you had to listen to their albums carefully and more than
one time. You had to EXPLORE the albums. As the time passed, the albums
transformed from a feast to a simple meal, or a breakfast, or a desert -
maybe an icecream, maybe an icecream with a few different flavours. You
don't need to explore their albums anymore - and this exploration was SO FUN!
I'm not saying that their new albums are bad, they're just... simpler.
[Treasure of Innocence] I think I can conclude this long review. I've been
sharing with you, 300 TD fans all over the world, my impressions of 220
Volt Live in real time, as I was hearing it. Well, not really, because I
heard the first 3 tracks in the car, in my way home.
This is a very good album, I'm glad I bought it, and I will listen to it
again as soon as it ends (15 seconds to go.) (10 9...)
[Oriental Haze] - Oh yes, there was this sequence. Forgot about it when I
was talking about the percussion and sequences.
see ya later...
gfj
(oh no, not the sax again. - o.haze)
p.s.: The possibly best tracks here: 220 Volt, Oriental Haze - despite the
sax -, two bunch palms? sundance kid and backstreet hero? I'll see later.
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 6:42
pm
Subject: Jarre family - RE: Re: top 10 of the 90s
>4. Chronologie - Jean Michel Jarre
>5. Pulse - Pink Floyd
>6. Waiting for Cousteau - Jena Michell Jarre
>7. Elemental - Tears for Fears
>8. Hong Kong - Jean Michell Jarre
Are Jean Michel, Jena Michell and Jean Michell cousins? ;)
gfj
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 7:22
pm
Subject: Re: Riven
At 23:51 17/12/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>From: Jared White
>
>> From: Gustavo Jobim
>> Riven was a puzzle slideshow...
>
>Riven is *not*, I repeat ***NOT*** just a 'puzzle slideshow'. It is, quite
>simply, the most incredible computer entertainment adventure ever devised.
Come on... There are many INCREDIBLE adventures out there, such as Beneath
a Steel Sky, Broken Sword 1, Relentless, Twinsen's Odyssey, Alone in the
Dark (I want to add that the last three games are all made by the same
genius: Frédérick Raynal).
>In fact, it's beyond 'computer' or 'entertainment'.
I agree. It's maybe like chess. Chessmaster 6000 in an adventure package?
>It's one of the great
>works of art of the 20th Century.
Yes, it's really very beautiful!
>> Not that I think the game was bad. I just really didn't like it.
>
>Like I said, it isn't a game. For a game, it sucks. For an adventure of epic
>proportions, a world of beauty, mystery, and intrigue magically wrapped up
>into a computer program, it's a human creation to rank up there with the
>great wonders of the world. I'm being serious here. I'd not hesitate to call
>it the Mona Lisa of the burgeoning 3D interactive world genre.
I prefer to say it's a extremely beautiful adventure, but unfortunately
based on puzzles, which are sometimes so complex that they make the game
frustrating.
>I'm sorry, I'm just an extremely loyal fan of both Myst and Riven,
It's quite noticeable. Have you ever played Beneath a Steel Sky? ;)
>Regards,
>
>Jared
gfj now playing Sundance Kid - 220 V live. It's a great album, innit?
---
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From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 8:33
pm
Subject: What happened between EF and CF?
Hello all
What happened between EF and CF? Anyone knows? I read in that faq in the
homepage that they haven't talked to each other since that last concert I
don't remember where.
gfj
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From:
'Jared White'
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 8:33
pm
Subject: Re: Time Travel (it's not offtopic, I swear)
> From: Gustavo Jobim
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> Just after venturing in the pink albums, I found a TD album in a nice
price
> today. I'm listening to it for the first time right now.
>
> I'm talking about 220 Volt. I made a 20 years travel, from 1973 to 1993.
> What a shock!
Heh heh, I bet!
> This album is really very good, but I have a strange feeling. It seems
that
> something is missing or lacking in 220 Volt live. Maybe it's the shock of
> nine years between the latest album I had, Poland, and this one.
Well, first off I think Poland is a much, much better album than 220 Volt.
220 Volt *was* my favorite TD live album until I got Poland recently, to
which I went 'WOW!!!'. Now, I think Poland's my favorite. But as for 220
Volt itself, read on....
> The guitar sessions here are certainly better than in the old albums. Are
> they only from Jerome or Edgar improved his abilities? And where can I
> hear this Zlatko guy? [Backstreet Hero 4:40] The middle of this track
seems
> a little jazzy...
I think Zlatko's playing most of the guitar solos, actually. His style tends
to be very fluid and 'bendy', with lots of little notes thrown in here and
there, so you can usually tell when he's playing. Both Edgar and Jerome tend
to play with longer, more drawn out notes and guitar lines.
> You know what's happening to artists like TD, Jarre and Oldfield? Their
> music in the early days was like a feast full of different meals and
> ingredients, and you had to listen to their albums carefully and more than
> one time. You had to EXPLORE the albums. As the time passed, the albums
> transformed from a feast to a simple meal, or a breakfast, or a desert -
> maybe an icecream, maybe an icecream with a few different flavours. You
> don't need to explore their albums anymore - and this exploration was SO
FUN!
>
> I'm not saying that their new albums are bad, they're just... simpler.
Wait, wait, whoa, hold on there! You can't judge, like, 12 years of work
(Optical Race onwards) just on 1 album. In fact, I'd say that 220 Volt is
actually not very indicative of anything they did before or afterwards. It's
very much it's own style, I think. Simpler? 220 Volt is, yes. But you
haven't heard Turn of the Tides, or Goblin's Club, or Mars Polaris, or,
going backwards from 220 Volt, Optical Race, or Melrose. I'd say all of
those are much deeper and more 'explorable' than 220 Volt. Really quite
different, actually.
> This is a very good album, I'm glad I bought it, and I will listen to it
> again as soon as it ends (15 seconds to go.) (10 9...)
If you though *this* album was at least 'a very good album', boy, are you in
for a treat! You ain't heard nothing yet! Welcome to the '90's! :)
> p.s.: The possibly best tracks here: 220 Volt, Oriental Haze - despite the
> sax -, two bunch palms? sundance kid and backstreet hero? I'll see later.
I'll agree with that list. Actually, Backstreet Hero really grows on you.
The more you listen to it, the more it gets underneath your skin and starts
haunting you when you're not listening to it. Maybe it's that brilliant
drawn-out lead-in to the rocky guitar solo part.
Anyway, I'm glad your first impression of 90's TD is reasonably favorable,
and, like I said, that album really isn't that exciting compared to much of
the other stuff they've done in the past 12 years or so!
Have fun, take care,
Jared
From:
Gustavo Jobim
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 8:48
pm
Subject: Re: Time Travel (it's not offtopic, I swear)
>> You know what's happening to artists like TD, Jarre and Oldfield? Their
>> music in the early days was like a feast full of different meals and
>> ingredients, and you had to listen to their albums carefully and more than
>> one time. You had to EXPLORE the albums. As the time passed, the albums
>> transformed from a feast to a simple meal, or a breakfast, or a desert -
>> maybe an icecream, maybe an icecream with a few different flavours. You
>> don't need to explore their albums anymore - and this exploration was SO
>FUN!
>>
>> I'm not saying that their new albums are bad, they're just... simpler.
>
>Wait, wait, whoa, hold on there! You can't judge, like, 12 years of work
>(Optical Race onwards) just on 1 album. In fact, I'd say that 220 Volt is
>actually not very indicative of anything they did before or afterwards. It's
>very much it's own style, I think. Simpler? 220 Volt is, yes. But you
>haven't heard Turn of the Tides, or Goblin's Club, or Mars Polaris, or,
>going backwards from 220 Volt, Optical Race, or Melrose. I'd say all of
>those are much deeper and more 'explorable' than 220 Volt. Really quite
>different, actually.
Yeah, maybe you're right.
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
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From:
'joe shoults'
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 9:11
pm
Subject: OT: OT
One of the guys from the OT list has an OT shoutcast (www audio stream), but
it is temporarily down. When he gets it running again, i'll put a link on
the tadream audio page.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...]
...
> As I wrote to another guy responding to the thread, do I
> feel stupid....DUUUHHH!!! after all these years being a fan of
> Eat Static and not knowing about OT. Well.....I visited their
> homepage and listened to a couple of musicclips, and it sounds
> interesting, no doubt they were inspired by TD. I have promised
> myself that they are worth a try. That goes for Friedemann as well.
>
From:
AOutland@a...
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 9:13
pm
Subject: Re: Discussion Week 15 9 Sunday 19th December 1999
In a message dated 12/18/99 6:07:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
lawrysimm@u... writes:
<< www.thisolehouse.freeserve.co.uk/midi >>
Thanks, Lawry. This is the neatest site for music downloads. The quality
is clear, no break ups through Real Player streaming since it plays directly
through the computer's midi player. I got tickled at the Country Jogger. But
there are also some non TD midis on here that are fantastic. And long!
8-) Dell
np: something off the midi site and three IM's
From:
AOutland@a...
Date: Sat Dec 18, 1999 9:32
pm
Subject: Re: Re: 90's Top Ten
Guess I'll sort of join in:
No particular order:
Dream Mixes 1
Hollywood Years 1
Goblin's Club
I'm afraid I have no other groups to add, since I don't buy anything
else except Tangerine Dream of 90's music. Oh, yes, one exception:
Nominal Gain by Dan Schulte-most excellent music, I will get more of his
music as soon as I can afford it
I am interested in Andy Pickford, though. But the snippets at Groove of
Ian Boddy sound even better. Any comments on the relative merits of this
artist also?
8-) Dell
NP: still the midis at Lawry's site
From:
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pm
Subject: Re: Jarre family - RE: Re: top 10 of the 90s
In a message dated 12/18/99 2:09:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
gustavfj@m... writes:
<< From: Gustavo Jobim
>4. Chronologie - Jean Michel Jarre
>5. Pulse - Pink Floyd
>6. Waiting for Cousteau - Jena Michell Jarre
>7. Elemental - Tears for Fears
>8. Hong Kong - Jean Michell Jarre
Are Jean Michel, Jena Michell and Jean Michell cousins? ;)
>>
Ho, ho, ho!!! What astute little eyeballs you have! Good one! 8-) Dell
From:
Flemming Larsen
Date: (Date Unavailable)
Subject: Re: Amarok
Gustavo Jobim wrote:
>>It's one long massive 60 min track. No indexes.
>- I saw a indexed description of the parts of Amarok. If it wasn't in this
>discography, it was somewhere else.
It's a bootleg or the rare 5 track Amarok Promo CD.
The official release never had more than one track.
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From:
'Jens Peschke'
Date: Sun Dec 19, 1999 10:26
pm
Subject: Re: Re: 90's Top Ten
> From: AOutland@a...
> I'm afraid I have no other groups to add, since I don't buy anything
> else except Tangerine Dream of 90's music.
Oi, Dell, where you've been the last years then ? ;-)
You surely missed out a few real gems, regardless if you fency
old fashioned sequencing & tron stuff, melodic bits or
more up-beat rocky stuff...
I know exactly where you're coming from. I too was listening/buying
only a few big names and some other artists which I could get hold of easily
until I've joined the old tadream list in April 97. I bought everything with
a TD/Kraftwerk/Oldfield/Jarre/Schulze/Pink Floyd sticker on it.
> I am interested in Andy Pickford, though. But the snippets at Groove
of
> Ian Boddy sound even better. Any comments on the relative merits of this
> artist also?
Why not getting both artists at once ?
Symbiont by Pickford and Boddy has nice melodies and sequences/rhythms
to it, it's a good starting point for both, IMO.
Someone in the states (due to the postal rates that would be the most cost
effective
way of doing it) should compile sort of best of non TD EM 2CDR set for you.
We Euros did that for at least two persons on beyond_em and it worked quite
well.
Also, feel free to join Dano's ElectronicMusic@o... and/or
beyond_em@o... to ask for further advise. I for one learned a lot
based on such lists and on tape/MD/CDR trades with others.
Best Regards
Jens
From:
'Jens Peschke'
Date: Sun Dec 19, 1999 10:40
pm
Subject: Re: Re: Amarok
From: Flemming Larsen
> It's a bootleg or the rare 5 track Amarok Promo CD.
> The official release never had more than one track.
Aha. This is even better than the official one, eh ?
Make sure friends of yours either in Hjoerring or Herning
are getting a copy of this gem soonish !
Best Regards
Jens
np: Navigator: Northern ConSequence - Arrival, recorded at Klangshoej
Studiet, Hjoerring, DK. ;-)
ps: we met at the last e-live festival - you thought I'd have been at
Klangart - but this must have been Heiko Heersen, based on the piccies at
Rainer's homepage. ;-))
From:
Steven Le Vine
> From: 'tom george'
>
>
> derk,
> your next step needs to be 'Timewind'. if you like 'Moondawn' then you
will be ecstatic over 'Timewind'. save the others for later. tom
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From:
'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)'
From:
'Pergamon'
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 10:11 PM
Subject: [tadream] OT: OT
> From: 'joe shoults'
>
> One of the guys from the OT list has an OT shoutcast (www audio stream), but
> it is temporarily down. When he gets it running again, i'll put a link on
> the tadream audio page.
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...]
> ...
> > As I wrote to another guy responding to the thread, do I
> > feel stupid....DUUUHHH!!! after all these years being a fan of
> > Eat Static and not knowing about OT. Well.....I visited their
> > homepage and listened to a couple of musicclips, and it sounds
> > interesting, no doubt they were inspired by TD. I have promised
> > myself that they are worth a try. That goes for Friedemann as well.
> >
>
> > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail
tadream-unsubscribe@o...
> Website: http://tadream.copfer.com
>
> What's Johannes Schmoellling up to these days? Find out at
http://members.tripod.de/Theta/html/index.htm.
>
From:
'Lawry Simm' >
> Thanks, Lawry. This is the neatest site for music downloads.
Err.. not really.. there is no html front end or anything.. just some
midi files in a directory, which if you are lucky displays correctly
(but not for me)... not even an index page on it.
One day I will put a site in that webspace as I have 15MB free... but
I never get the time
>But
>there are also some non TD midis on here that are fantastic. And
long!
Hmmm... are you in the right place?? _ALL_ of those midis are TD
(except Melrose Place which sneaked in by mistake.. probably because
of the title). Which ones do you have in mind?
Lawry
From:
pergamon@xxxxxxx.xx
Date: Sun Dec 19, 1999 12:59
am
Subject: Midi
Does anyone have an good midifile of White Eagle????, not some
bossanova / country / reggae - style, but one that matches the
original.
From:
TOMX01@xxx.xxx
Date: Sun Dec 19, 1999 1:46
am
Subject: Re: What happened between EF and CF?
In a message dated 12/18/99 8:32:06 PM GMT Standard Time,
gustavfj@m... writes:
<< What happened between EF and CF? Anyone knows? I read in that faq in the
homepage that they haven't talked to each other since that last concert I
don't remember where.
>>
Well apparently they never really spoke outside of 'work' anyway, there
relationship was purely business. However, Chris did state in interviews that
he ended up doing most of the music towards the end and that Edgar was more
interested in the business side of things.
Strangely enough I read an interview with Paul Haslinger who said exactly the
same thing.
Tom (Melrose)
From:
Steven Feldman Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:31:24 -0500
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Macula Transfer
>From: Tangerine Dream mailing list
>Really-From: Vic Rek
>
>Macula Transfer was released on the Manikin label without Edgar's
>permission and as soon as the CD came out I think he threatened a
>lawsuit [. . .]
That's because he was pissed of about not being able to TANGENT-
ize it. I guess one BEYOND THE STORM wasn't enough for him, ho ho. ;)
(And yet, now that the dust's cleared, where's Ed's verion of MACULA??)
-- Steven Feldman
From:
Steven Feldman Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:32:11 EST
>Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 90's Top Ten
>From: Tangerine Dream mailing list
>Really-From: AOutland@a...
>
> I'm afraid I have no other groups to add, since I don't buy
>anything else except Tangerine Dream of 90's music. [Dano reference
>expunged ;) ]
>
> I am interested in Andy Pickford, though. But the snippets at
>Groove of Ian Boddy sound even better. Any comments on the relative
>merits of this artist also?
In general, I've much preferred the Boddy that I've heard to the
Pickford, and yet, the two of them did a collaborative project called
SYMBOINT that is excellent: sequencer heaven and really kickass, in a
way that Redshift and RMI will never be. Think of an overtly e-music
laden version of Ozric Tentacles, or a stripped-down, hyped-up version
of the two 220 VOLT tracks, 'Hamlet' and 'Backstreet Hero'!
Boddy, like Jean-Michel Jarre, seems to make concept albums in
that they work better when taken as a whole than played as separate
tracks. I have Boddy's THE UNCERTAINTY PRINCIPLE and THE DEEP, and
while the albums have their ups and downs (or mood swings, actually),
there are some really killer tracks and Boddy is a very interesting
composer. He's sort of a controlled, disciplined version of William
Orbit (of Strange Cargo and Madonna's RAY OF LIGHT fame): world music
inflections but without being overly precious or politically correct.
I have only Pickford's DYSTOPIA outtakes compilation and his WORKS
VOLUME I: LIVE AT EMMA 1 - 1994 album, but I don't find his music much
more interesting than Mark Shreeve's. It has more energy and drive and
less of a pomposity to its production, though (ducking bricks thrown
by Shreeve and Redshift monomaniacs.).
I think you would like Boddy's work, and recommend your checking
out PERU and David Wright, too.
Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876;
. Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107;
801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/
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From:
'Marcel Engels' From: TOMX01@a...
>
> Well apparently they never really spoke outside of 'work' anyway, there
> relationship was purely business. However, Chris did state in
> interviews that
> he ended up doing most of the music towards the end and that
> Edgar was more
> interested in the business side of things.
>
> Strangely enough I read an interview with Paul Haslinger who said
> exactly the
> same thing.
Not so strangely enough I believe both Chris and Paul...
Marcel
Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels
Email :fsp@w...
From:
Derk
From:
AOutland@xxx.xxx
Date: Sun Dec 19, 1999 3:57
pm
Subject: Re: Lawry's midi site
In a message dated 12/18/99 7:32:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lawrysimm@u... writes:
<< Hmmm... are you in the right place?? _ALL_ of those midis are TD
(except Melrose Place which sneaked in by mistake.. probably because
of the title). Which ones do you have in mind?
Lawry
>>
Notably one called 'One for the Vine'. It sounds vaguely familiar,
perhaps, but I cannot place the exact tune so I did not think it was TD.
Maybe it has a different style/format? or maybe it's just the unfamiliar
bell-like tone of the midi that throws me off. I like it though. 8-) Dell
From:
Antonio Nunes wrote:
> Actually, I keep thinking about buying 'Sohoman', despite knowing it's
> been doctored up a bit. I just like that era. But no one has put that
> their top 90's TD list yet that I have noticed...
I only didn't put 'Sohoman' on my top 90's TD list because I don't
consider it a 'genuine 90s' album. The original recording is from 1982,
isn't it? Personally I don't mind the 'tangentizing' and so I like this
album very much. The first time I listened to it, the additional sounds
on the Logos track annoyed me a little, but now I'm used to them.
Antonio Nunes
From:
Antonio Nunes
> I'm remembering 220 Volt, the track, now. You know those 4 notes? Aren't
> they similar to Tubular Bells 3' ending in Far Above The Clouds??!
Hey, don't forget that 220 Volt came first!
> And is that alone one in the little photo with the musicians list on his
> right Jerome?!? If that's him, I prefer his photo in Phaedra... or Atem.
Yes, it's Jerome.
> One thing I didn't like in this CD was the cover. It isn't that bad, but
> they could've done better. It looks like a bootleg cover.
Have you seen the Goblins Club cover already? For me it's the worst TD
cover, but the booklet includes some good photos of Edgar, Jerome and
Linda (the sax player).
> [The Blue Bridge] I've got nothing against saxophone, but not in a
> Tangerine Dream track... It sounds so strange. Maybe they used sax because
> it was a North American tour.
Actually they started using the sax in the album Lily on the Beach (only
in the track 'Long Island Sunset') and then they continued using it in
the subsequent albums until Tyranny of Beauty. In Goblins Club they've
got rid of the sax but started using ethnic vocal samples a la Enigma.
> You know what's happening to artists like TD, Jarre and Oldfield? Their
> music in the early days was like a feast full of different meals and
> ingredients, and you had to listen to their albums carefully and more than
> one time. You had to EXPLORE the albums. As the time passed, the albums
> transformed from a feast to a simple meal, or a breakfast, or a desert -
> maybe an icecream, maybe an icecream with a few different flavours. You
> don't need to explore their albums anymore - and this exploration was SO FUN!
Yes, I feel the same about their recent albums. But you still have a lot
of great TD albums to explore, you lucky fellow! And after that, why
don't you start exploring other less known artists? Thanks to the
internet, the exposure to music by less known artists is nowadays much
easier, and definitely very pleasant.
Antonio Nunes
np: FSP - Pointless Reminder
From:
Gustavo Jobim >- I saw a indexed description of the parts of Amarok. If it wasn't in this
>>discography, it was somewhere else.
>
>It's a bootleg or the rare 5 track Amarok Promo CD.
>The official release never had more than one track.
Actually, it was really a indexed description, with many, many parts - more
than 20, maybe.
It was kinda like this:
0:00 - intro
1:?? - bridge
3:?? - climax 1
and things like that.
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gustavo Jobim > I'm remembering 220 Volt, the track, now. You know those 4 notes? Aren't
>> they similar to Tubular Bells 3' ending in Far Above The Clouds??!
>
>Hey, don't forget that 220 Volt came first!
They're similar, anyway.
>you still have a lot
>of great TD albums to explore, you lucky fellow! And after that, why
>don't you start exploring other less known artists? Thanks to the
>internet, the exposure to music by less known artists is nowadays much
>easier, and definitely very pleasant.
>
>Antonio Nunes
Of course I will! I got the samples from FSP - Amalgam, Cool Sack, etc -
and I think they're v. good!
But still didn't get anything from Schulzeman.
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Jared White
From:
'Heiko Heerßen'
Date: Mon Dec 20, 1999 8:42
am
Subject: Groove Unlimited auction
Hi Gang,
take a look at
'http://www.groove.nl/auction.html'
Some very hot items are for sale, including a copy of the original Keep
1997 TDI edition (current bid is 120 US$).
Regards,
Heiko
From:
'koulos_'
From:
Vincent Goudreault
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 99 23:39:06 EST
> From: Steven Feldman
> Subject: Edgar vis a vis Manikin's MACULA TRANSFER
>
> >Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:31:24 -0500
> >Subject: Re: [tadream] Macula Transfer
> >From: Tangerine Dream mailing list
> >Really-From: Vic Rek
> >
> >Macula Transfer was released on the Manikin label without Edgar's
> >permission and as soon as the CD came out I think he threatened a
> >lawsuit [. . .]
>
> That's because he was pissed of about not being able to TANGENT-
> ize it. I guess one BEYOND THE STORM wasn't enough for him, ho ho. ;)
> (And yet, now that the dust's cleared, where's Ed's verion of MACULA??)
That statement is a bit unfair, given that 'Ages' was released
without any tangenting -- albeit with one track missing that
I'd like to see included somewhere else...
C.B.V. Goudreault
autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957
online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977
first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet
From:
'twosheds'
From:
'twosheds' just a note: 'so on' meant melrose years, seattle years, and millennium
years.
Oops. Sorry.
>
>>>What's your favourite studio TD album? Does Thief count?
>
>Well yeah, it's from studio, right?
I thought that since it's a soundtrack, it might have a separate category.
Here's the rest of my list:
Melrose Years: Melrose
Seattle Years: 220V (Confess! How many of you air guitar to 'Hamlet'?)
Milennium Years: I dunno, because I haven't heard any of them yet.
Scott
From:
Christian Villazón
>4. Chronologie - Jean Michel Jarre
>5. Pulse - Pink Floyd
>6. Waiting for Cousteau - Jena Michell Jarre
>7. Elemental - Tears for Fears
>8. Hong Kong - Jean Michell Jarre
Are Jean Michel, Jena Michell and Jean Michell cousins? ;)
gfj
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From:
Flemming Larsen Actually, it was really a indexed description, with many, many parts - more
>than 20, maybe.
>
>It was kinda like this:
>
>0:00 - intro
>1:?? - bridge
>3:?? - climax 1
>and things like that.
I know and it's still a CDR or an DJPromo.
A guy from the Oldfield maillinglist made one
with 64 indexes.
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Flemming Larsen > It's a bootleg or the rare 5 track Amarok Promo CD.
>Aha. This is even better than the official one, eh ?
LOL hardly. There is nothing different about it except that
it only lasts 25 mins and is broken down into 5 tracks.
>Make sure friends of yours either in Hjoerring or Herning
>are getting a copy of this gem soonish !
Not worth the trouble.
>ps: we met at the last e-live festival - you thought I'd have been at
>Klangart - but this must have been Heiko Heersen, based on the piccies at
>Rainer's homepage. ;-))
Could be. I remember you. Wish I had more time
in Nijhmegen that weekend. I met with Steve J. and
we had a great time later in the evening (Hi Steve)
I'm sure we'll meet again. E-Live won't be my last event.
Next time I will spend more time and stay over the weekend.
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From:
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From:
'tom george'
From:
'Pergamon'
To:
Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: Sv: [tadream] Peter Baumann
> From: 'tom george'
>
>
> if you think 'Romance '76' is good (which i do)
> proceed to his second album without hesitation 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' which
is even better. tom
>
>
> Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com
>
> > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail
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http://members.tripod.de/Theta/html/index.htm.
>
From:
pergamon@xxxxxxx.xx
Date: Mon Dec 20, 1999 11:16
pm
Subject: Impression of EIMP
Here is a little impression of EF's 'Epsilon in malaysian pale'
CONSCIOUSNESS
The music begins, it starts out with a delicate tingle of sounds
representing the beginning of summer. Nature is ALIVE, and has sprung
out. Mother Earth sends ripples through the air, tingling with life.
A long sequnce of morther nature representing herselfs complexcity,
of sounds, life, strength, power etc., stunnes me as I become aware
of the energy surrounding me. The tension builds up, I can feel life
surge through my body. suddenly I find myself floating as the rythmic
sequencers begins to play with each other. Playing ever so carefully with
each other, trying not to disturb one another. Plains, fields, forests
and mountains passes by beneath me. The air is clean, it gives me
strength and clears my mind, and I become aware of life. The joy of just
being, ripples through me. I slow down, enjoy the view and feels the
energy surrounding me. I feel alive. My mind is almost exploding in joy.
The sequencers intencify and I can feel life pounding in my breast. I halt
my motion, and for a long time I just am. Nothing can disturb me, nothing
can hurt me, I am only aware of being. The music slows down, I am becoming
more relaxed. Suddenly the music becomes more dark, and I become aware of
the powers of nature. A sudden storm take hold of me and throw me around.
A lightning flashes and rain starts pouring down. I find myself awed by the
fierce power of nature. As the storm gets hold of me and throws me around,
I can feel the danger and my own mortality, but again it makes me feel
alive. I draw from the powers of nature and regain control of my flight.
The storm passes and the clouds dissappear. The sun warms my body, and again
I can feel the joy tingling inside of me. Here the sequencers starts their
beautiful play with one another again. My mind explodes with joy and
happiness, and I find myself a part of nature and life. Nature is me and I
am nature. I am life and life is me. I can't get enough and I am in exstacy.
I can hear the tone of life and I follow it's beautiful dance. The sequencers
grab hold of me and let's me ride on it's wave. I am one with the wave. after
some time, the wave becomes more relaxed and beautiful strings fills me with
energy. My mind is relaxed , but I am filled with energy, that only waits to
be used. The music stoppes, but I am happy and ready to take on the world.
Well, just though I would share that feeling with you.
Also I would like to know your favorite TD bandmembers or former bandmembers
solo-album????????
Happy Christmas and a merry new year :-)
Namaste
Jan Aunsholt
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From:
Gustavo Jobim This is the correct ( thanks Gustavo for the observation 8-)
>6. Waiting for Cousteau - Jean Michell Jarre
Um, I don't want to be a pest, but actually, it's Jean-Michel Jarre. Or
Jean Michel Jarre, if you don't like the hyphen.
And...
>Flemming,
>
>I think Gustavo meant a description,ie a text based on an index rather
>than an indexed CD.
Yeah, that's what I meant.
I'll look for it.
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gustavo Jobim >>>What's your favourite studio TD album? Does Thief count?
>>
>>Well yeah, it's from studio, right?
>
>I thought that since it's a soundtrack, it might have a separate category.
Umm, yeah, but I forgot to include the category :) Some people included it
by themselves.
>Here's the rest of my list:
>Melrose Years: Melrose
>Seattle Years: 220V (Confess! How many of you air guitar to 'Hamlet'?)
And I should add Seattle Years: 220V too, but that's the only album I've
got from the Seattle Years... :) But I do like it.
>Milennium Years: I dunno, because I haven't heard any of them yet.
>
>Scott
gfj
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Gustavo Jobim Also I would like to know your favorite TD bandmembers or former bandmembers
>solo-album????????
>
>Happy Christmas and a merry new year :-)
The only solo album I have is Schmoelling's Wuivend Riet, which I almost
love, specially the tracks Zeit, Wuivend part 2 (both in first place) and
Kneeplay No.9 in a very close second place.
I also love Chris's Babylon 5 songs. I chill when I watch the Babylon 5'
third season (not sure about the season) opening, with the music coming
just after the description of the series by Susan Ivanova (one of the
characters - forgot her real name). And of course, I love the series too.
So sorry it's over. I didn't have much time to enjoy new episodes, because
I only discovered B5 last year.
gfj, now playing Oxygen in Moscow cd-r 1 (Equinoxe 7), recorded today.
---
Gustavo F. Jobim
gustavfj@m...
gustavofj@h...
From:
Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx
Date: Tue Dec 21, 1999 7:49
am
Subject: RE: Impression of EIMP
> Jan wrote
> ----------
> From: pergamon@g...[SMTP:pergamon@g...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 00:16
> To: tadream@o...
> Subject: [tadream] Impression of EIMP
>
>
>
> Also I would like to know your favorite TD bandmembers or former
> bandmembers
> solo-album????????
>
> Happy Christmas and a merry new year :-)
>
> Namaste
> Jan Aunsholt
>
>
>
Well my favorite former member is Klaus Schulze - Best Album Moondawn
closely followed by BodyLove I
favorite TD members - Froese (Father and Son), Chris Franke
> Happy Christmas and a merry new year :-) too
>
From:
Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx
Date: Tue Dec 21, 1999 1:26
pm
Subject: Neptune Towers 'Caravans to Empire Algol'
Hello,
just bougth in a secondhand shop a cd of 'Neptune Towers'
called 'Caravans to Empire Algol' . On the sleeve they called their
kind of music Avantgarde Astral Alien Synth
It sounds great , think about the first albums of Schulze and Tangerine
Dream
and a bit early Pink Floyd. Without Vocals and Drums.
Does anyone knows these Group, and if you know were
can I find something about them.
Hope someone can help me out.
Thanks
Bert
aka Phrozenlight
my Homepage http://phrozenlight.findhere.org/
(still under construction)
please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-)
PS Merry Chrismas and a Happy New Year
From:
'joe shoults'
From:
Klaus Beschorner
From:
'Heiko Heerßen'
From:
'joe shoults' -----Original Message-----
> From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 12:32 PM
> To: tadream moderated mailing list at onelist
> Subject: [tadream] I'm back and need some digests
>
>
> From: Klaus Beschorner
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm back from holiday and have been cut off the list during
> this time.
>
> In order for me to catch up and to have everything with the
> correct date for archiving I need someone who
>
> a) is on in digest mode and
> b) keeps all digests in a Netscape mail folder and
> c) would copy digests 311-332 to a new Netscape mail folder and
> d) zip that new mail folder and Email it to me.
>
> Any takers ?
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> cheers
> klaus
>
> --
>
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>
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>
> What's Johannes Schmoellling up to these days? Find out at
http://members.tripod.de/Theta/html/index.htm.
From:
'Lawry Simm'
From:
Bennett Cookson
From:
Sean Montgomery the walking sound at 10:38.
That reminds me of a story...back in high school, I worked in the meat
department of a grocery store, and the first time I heard the
meat wrapping machine in action, I stopped and listened intently, because
it had the exact same tempo and sound as the 'walking part' of Tangram.
Nobody else in the room shared my enthusiasm.
SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator
T O P I X / Mad Dog
http://www.topix.com/~sean
From:
EFroese@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Dec 22, 1999 3:27
am
Subject: Haslinger DVD
just an fyi:
there's a new 'magic eye' type dvd coming out that is supposed to be
similar to 'Planetary Traveler'.
The DVD is titled 'Infinity's Child'. It's 40 min. long and features
Paul Haslinger's music recoded in Dolby Digital 5.1.
$29,98 from WinStar home video.
Steve
From:
Klaus Beschorner
From:
'Heiko Heerßen'
From:
Klaus Beschorner
From:
'Patrik .'
From:
Synthhtnys@xxx.xxx
Date: Wed Dec 22, 1999 1:37
pm
Subject: D:Studio [Tangram]
No doubt at all one the greatest achievements in electronic music.
Tangram is an evergreen that will remain in the light for many years
to come. Sadly, IMHO these heights were never quite reached again
in the Schmoelling years. (That's not the same thing as saying there
was no other great music, just not this perfectly balanced.) More chops
in evidence on this album. Johannes is clearly a force to be reckoned
with. He was certainly a jolt to system. He brought in a vitality and
a fine balance between art and accessibility...
(not a bad thing no matter what your left brain says ;-))
side one about 12:00 on still has the ability to create an incredibly
magic space for me. Wow. This is about as good as it ever got.
Poly
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From:
'James Chapman'
From:
'Patrik .'
From:
'joe shoults' -----Original Message-----
> From: joe shoults [mailto:joes@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 1:38 PM
> To: tadream@o...
> Subject: RE: [tadream] I'm back and need some digests
> ...
From:
'Owens, James E'
From:
'Owens, James E'
Hello, I'm new to the list.
From:
Klaus Beschorner
From:
'John Marchington'
From:
'kayleigh'
From:
Richard Ford , kayleigh
writes
>From: 'kayleigh'
>
>Hey there all. Wanted to ask a quick question if anything by TD was ever (or
>is going to be) released on DVD? Either as soundtracks, or something like
>that? I'm pretty sure movies they've done music soundtrack work have
>probably already been released (like Risky Business and things like that),
>but how about their concerts, etc?
>
The DVD of OASIS arrived yesterday. Quality is on par with Canyon Dreams
--
Richard Ford
From:
pergamon@xxxxxxx.xx
Date: Thu Dec 23, 1999 2:07
am
Subject: RE: (tadream) introduction
From: 'Owens, James E'
Hi James
I am new to this side as well, I joined 10 days ago. I am 33 years old,
live in Denmark, and started out listening to TD in 1980. Well my favorite
TD-album is Pergamon, as you can see on my Email :-). I mostly like the
Franke, Froese & Schmoelling period, but listen to it all.
Nice to hear someone mention Gary Numan. I do enjoy his music myself. I
also play music myself, it was TD that made me want to play music,but
today the music I make is Goa / Trance.
Hope you will enjoy the discussions as most as I do.
Welcome
Jan Aunsholt
From:
'John Marchington'
From:
Joel Mullen From: 'kayleigh'
>
> Hey there all. Wanted to ask a quick question if anything by TD was ever (or
> is going to be) released on DVD? Either as soundtracks, or something like
> that? I'm pretty sure movies they've done music soundtrack work have
> probably already been released (like Risky Business and things like that),
> but how about their concerts, etc?
>
> dan
These are all the releases that have come out on DVD
that TD has had anything to do with. If anyone else knows
of any more that have been/will be released let us all know!
Regards,
Joel
*************************************
TD on DVD
*************************************
Firestarter
Risky Business
Sorcerer
Thief
Vision Quest
Canyon Dreams
Luminious Visions
Oasis
The Video Dream Mixes
True North
plus at least one other Narada compilation
who's name escapes me at the moment
What a Blast
From:
Quarlie@xxx.xxx
Date: Thu Dec 23, 1999 3:22
am
Subject: Re: Tangram faux pas.
In a message dated 12/22/99 9:44:02 PM, johnm@p... wrote:
>I wonder if TD will ever return to that sort of structured composition? I
wonder
>what Jerome thinks of it?
According to my log from TD's IRC chat in April of last year, Jerome's
favorite TD album that he didn't appear on is 'Force Majeure,' which I
suppose isn't a million miles from 'Tangram' stylistically.
--Daniel (Quarlie)
NP: David Arkenstone--Enchantment
From:
'Thomas'
From:
'tadream'
From:
Bert.Hulshoff@xx.xxx.xx
Date: Thu Dec 23, 1999 10:22
am
Subject: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everybody
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everybody
Bert
aka Phrozenlight
my Homepage http://phrozenlight.findhere.org/
(still under construction)
please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-)
From:
'kayleigh'
From:
'tom george'
From:
'tom george'
From:
'Owens, James E'
On Wednesday, December 22, 1999 6:32 PM, kayleigh
[SMTP:kayleigh@m...] wrote:
> From: 'kayleigh'
>
> Hey there all. Wanted to ask a quick question if anything by TD
was ever (or
> is going to be) released on DVD? Either as soundtracks, or
something like
> that? I'm pretty sure movies they've done music soundtrack work
have
> probably already been released (like Risky Business and things
like that),
> but how about their concerts, etc?
>
> dan
These are all the releases that have come out on DVD
that TD has had anything to do with. If anyone else knows
of any more that have been/will be released let us all know!
Regards,
Joel
*************************************
TD on DVD
*************************************
Firestarter
Risky Business
Sorcerer
Thief
Vision Quest
Canyon Dreams
Luminious Visions
Oasis
The Video Dream Mixes
True North
plus at least one other Narada compilation
who's name escapes me at the moment
What a Blast
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From:
Gabe Yedid From: 'Thomas'
>
> Hi all,
>
> first of all: Merry Christmas to all of you. Hope you have a nice and
relaxing Holiday season. And, of course, a Happy New Year in 2000.
>
> I'm watching The Keep on laserdisc right now, and I've just passed the
section where Glaeken wakes up and takes the boat across the ocean to get to
Molasar and The Keep. Maybe this is old news, but the music to that part
reminds me STRONGLY of the 'Moorland' track of the 'Daydream' 7'single from
1983. Is it in fact the same???
> Anybody else made this reflection?
No, you're not smoking anything we haven't been on ;)
I'm not sure which came first, but I'd have to say that 'Moorland' is
probably a shortened, but beefed-up and Tangentized, remix of that Keep
track.
It would (have) work(ed) quite well as an in-betweener for some main set
pieces at a concert, IMO.
>
> Thomas
Gabe
From:
Richard Ford , kayleigh
writes
>From: 'kayleigh'
>
>Hey there. Wanted to reply to a post about Oasis arriving yesterday on DVD.
>Oasis as in what? The concert, regular official release Cd, etc? Wasn't sure
>what I could be looking for, as I did find Harmony House (local Cd shop I
>think mostly in Michigan) special orders stuff, and I've been able to find
>about a dozen TD Cds there (mostly commercial stuff I'd assume), AND they
>said 'yes, we have a fairly large fan base that purchase this type of music
>from us, so we continue to stock it', and they said that yes, they could
>order DVD if it was available. I know they've gotten DVD on Kitaro, and I
>believe Jean Michael Jarre, AND I know some Yanni stuff (which I enjoy and
>own most of his stuff as well), but obviously I'd need an exact title, and
>whether this is a soundtrack, etc?
Oasis is the DVD of the video TD did the soundtrack to a year or two
ago. The same sort of thing as Canyon Dreams.
--
Richard Ford