From: 'koulos_' Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 7:22 pm Subject: Re: Enjoy the View ok man just somethink to think over while you will be relaxing i don't know if you have heard of a greek pionner named Odyseas who was the hero for odyse if you know of him then you probably do so because you have read the book i am refering too in this case the book talks about the man journey and not about his life when he returns to ithake. so what i am trying to say is sometimes the result isn't everything,....the way to go to the goal is what maters as far as it conserns our critisism for TD artwork/music or whatever else it is done cause we do like the final result byt sometimes if the have done some of our critisism the product would be times better yours koulos_from_ready_to_see_the_snow_athens From: Joel Mullen Hello all- I am going to relax enjoy the view. :-) Dream Regards, Joel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: FGL Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 11:12 pm Subject: Re:Chat Carl & Jacqui Kearney wrote: > Hi Guys just to add my opinion , I have been using ICQ now for about 10 > months along with quite a few other list members , I personally think its a > great tool and is definatly under rated. Just as I pointed out. Nice to hear it from an experienced user too. ICQs only problem is that it's not fully developed for the Mac, and there are Mac users around on this list too I suspect ;-) It shouldn't be too long though before ICQ for Mac reaches the standard of the PC version. I'm already using it on my Mac and appart from a poor chat function it's almost as good as the PC version. ICQ it certainly a great way of keeping track of friends online. > See you there Carl # Icq 38818818 I'll add you to my ICQ and see you there sometime :-) FGL. From: FGL Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 11:12 pm Subject: Re:IRC channel registered Gustavo wrote: > It seems I pissed some people off when I registered #tadream. I'm sorry, I > didn't mean that. I'm sure that has been settled and is forgotten now. In GJ's excerpt from my chat with him online on IRC you all read that the missing OP status was a result of ChanServ and not Gustavo's fault. I also thought ChanServ on SorceryNet could be set to give users OP status automatically when they enter. It can be done on other networks, but not on SorceryNet. ChanServ can give people OP status, but it requires that the users register their nicknames with ChanServ. After that the Channel owner can assign OP status to anyone, provided they are registered. Not exactly what we hoped for, but it does work. This minor problem is no reason to move the channel again. SorceryNet is a cool network for a #tadream chat. Get it ? ;-))) SorceryNet is a small network with few users. Laggin shouldn't become a problem here. Yesterday there were only 89 users on 11 servers. Following my discussion with Gustavo on IRC, I was messing around with ChanServ getting info on SorceryNet, and I decided to register #tadream on SorceryNet myself. Gustavo's point about protecting the channel is something I agree with. We suffered one takeover and don't need to get that repeated. Unfortunately GJ had already left the chat, so I had to register it myself. I will make every effort possible to ensure that regular users get OP status on #tadream in the spirit of friendship and sharing as we have always enjoyed it on IRC. Everybody is welcome to join. Regular users (who I know of) will recieve a message from me during this week. Anybody else are welcome to email me. I will also begin looking at ways to allow novice users easy access to IRC through a homepage link. It was done on the old channel, so it can be done again. Perhabs Joe will be kind enough to lend some help and to put the link on his nice Tadream homepage. In time we might all end up meeting on Joe's copfer chat, provided that he (and I will do what I can to help) finds a better suited Java chat to run on copfer. (Joe. Last night I had a wonderful dream about a WWW chat linking with and IRC chat through the same server. Is that at all possible ?) ;-)) Airwave. From: 'Micha³ Kupczyk' Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 10:57 pm Subject: RE: Tangerine Dream Live Hi, IMO one of the possibilities is that sequences from earlier live recordings (not only Logos or Poland as You mentioned but also the earlier ones) are missing their studio equivalent so You can not really compare them. You can hear same tunes on Quichotte and Tangram but both recordings are so unique making them great records. I agree with You that earlier live recording sounds different but I thing that it has nothing to do with software or hardware - it is a matter of personal relation to those sounds. Just like the official release of the Sydney performance in 1982 - White Eagle is one of my TOP 5 but hearing it on Sohoman doesn't make me feel the same - just because I'm always trying to compare it with the studio recording. I'm not saying that they should not play during live performances material earlier released as I believe the majority of members on this forum enjoy White Eagle or Stratosfear being played on stage but any later release of that live recording will be a ad acta item. I have been on both gigs in Warsaw and one in Poznan in 1983 - I remember that I had mixed feelings . It was the fist time I saw TD on stage which was a great feeling but I could not really enjoy the music. Only afterwards with the release of Poland I realized that it was a great material which I do play quite often. I was also in Zabrze in 1997 when the Modern Set was taped. I loved the performance - a really superb concert. First I got Tournado, I played it few times but - as You say - 'it is missing the creativity' [ I would say feeling :-) ]. Then I got Valentine Wheels (the Vintage Set) and I had same impression. You are always proud in a way that an artist is issuing a recording on which You had the possibility of being a part of (Tournado) it but I must say that I do not play both records very often - I prefer the studio recording. Many people will not agree with me but that's my opinion. Regards to all Michael Sopot, Poland PS: Maybe all of the above is related to the fact that I prefer the old TD sound. Hi people, Since 1986 or 1987 all TD concerts are somewhat 'canned'. Meaning that everything (sequencers, rythm, chords,leads, effects) are being ran through the Steinberg Cubase VST Sequencer software. For instance listening to Valentine Wheels, do you really here anything different being played than the studio recordings? I think that Logos and Poland had so much more creativity than the newer concerts. Although TD also in those days had very sophisticated sequencer tools. Something is lost. What do you all think about this? Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Mon Jan 24, 2000 11:24 pm Subject: Re: B5 Birthday ----- Original Message ----- From: 'joe shoults' To: Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 1:27 PM Subject: [tadream] B5 Birthday > From: 'joe shoults' > > FYI: B5 started on this day, 1989 > Joe you realy nead to get out more often ( LOL) Carl. From: Gabe Yedid Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 12:55 am Subject: Re: Edgar's TD Future Well Greg, just because he's retiring from TD doesn't mean he's going to hang up his hat and stop composing altogether...he still owns TDI, remember? He can release solo albums any time he wants, and the label will never give him any problems about it! cheers, Gabe On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Greg wrote: > From: 'Greg' > > Sorry if I did not hear otherwise, but there was speculation that Edgar > Froese > would be retiring from TD at the year 2000. I don't want him to.. Mars > Polaris > to me is like one of the most awesome albums I have ever heard and I have > just about all of TD's studio releases! Anyway, if anyone knows what's going > on as far as this is concerned, I'd hope to know and maybe other people too! > I think Edgar has to be commended for all the years of work in music he has > done, although at times highly controversial output, he has continued on to > not > lose those early roots of music from which he came. > I hope his work and influence will last for mnay more years to come! > > Greg H. From: PhilPDX@a... Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 1:41 am Subject: Re: Can Atilla (was D:Live [Logos]) In a message dated 1/24/00 12:14:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, heiko.heerssen@h... writes: > Heiko > > n.p.: Can Atilla - Whaves of wheels > I've heard that Can Atilla is an amazing TD tribute/imitation - what do you think? Phil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20510 Re: Can Atilla (was D:Live [Logos]) Michael A Jean Tue 1/25/2000 2 KB 20515 Re: Can Atilla (was D:Live [Logos]) Heiko Heerßen Tue 1/25/2000 1 KB 20527 Re: Can Atilla (was D:Live [Logos]) Gabe Yedid Tue 1/25/2000 2 KB 20529 Re: Can Atilla (was D:Live [Logos]) Antonio Nunes Tue 1/25/2000 1 KB 20536 Re: Can Atilla (was D:Live [Logos]) Grant M Somerville Tue 1/25/2000 2 KB 20658 Re: Can Atilla (was D:Live [Logos]) Michael A Jean Tue 2/1/2000 1 KB From: 'Keith Richie' Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 2:07 am Subject: D:Live [Logos] Logos is, in my opinion, TD at it's prime. There is no one single TD release that I have listened to over, and over, and over again and never tired of. From: cinemafan@h... Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 3:36 am Subject: CD request Hi gang, Two things: First I posted the Borders page on TD on the site so go check it out, tho this is a first and I don't know if it worked. And secondly- I need the following two cd's : Raitikon Sony Topping Out (live) - the Rainer version with the Mpeg. I have the covers from his site, but need the CD itself! Help me, and lets work something out. I have lost most every address due to a fire, then my lack of computer skills so.....if you have dealt with me- help me out. And again if I owe you something, please refresh me memory ok? CYA! Chris Chouinard NP- Melrose (LOUD) From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 3:50 am Subject: RE: Can Atilla (was D:Live [Logos]) AVE was pretty amazing..I haven't heard Waves of Wheels...It is supposed to be more 90s sounding, but I wold love to hear more from Heiko.. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: PhilPDX@a... [mailto:PhilPDX@a...] > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 7:42 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Can Atilla (was D:Live [Logos]) > > > From: PhilPDX@a... > > In a message dated 1/24/00 12:14:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, > heiko.heerssen@h... writes: > > > Heiko > > > > n.p.: Can Atilla - Whaves of wheels > > > I've heard that Can Atilla is an amazing TD tribute/imitation - > what do you > think? > > Phil > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > FREE ADVICE FROM REAL PEOPLE! Xpertsite has thousands of experts who > are willing to answer your questions for FREE. Go to Xpertsite today > and put your mind to rest. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)' Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 5:11 am Subject: Emusic update Hey all, 'Emusic' has now been heavily updated with lots of new information on electronic music, including a review of TD-sound-alike Arcane. Visit www.itsahit.com/emusic from now and until the end of February. all the best, glenn From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 6:08 am Subject: Great Wall Of China T Shirt For Sale Hello I have an XL size Great Wall of China T Shirt which does not fit me, so I am selling it at US$45, air registered postage included. Any taker? Jeffrey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20513 Re: Great Wall Of China T Shirt For Sale Joel Mullen Tue 1/25/2000 2 KB 20602 Re: Great Wall Of China T Shirt For Sale Nigbur D Fri 1/28/2000 2 KB 20603 Re: Great Wall Of China T Shirt For Sale Gabe Yedid Fri 1/28/2000 1 KB From: Joel Mullen Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 6:15 am Subject: RE: Great Wall Of China T Shirt For Sale On Tuesday, January 25, 2000 12:09 AM, Jeffrey Au Yeung [SMTP:220Volt@i...] wrote: > From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> > > Hello > > I have an XL size Great Wall of China T Shirt which does not fit me, so I am selling it at US$45, air registered postage included. Any taker? > > Jeffrey Just wash it in boiling water. A dozen times and it should fit ;-) I wonder why we did not get a choice in the size? At least 'Large' or 'XXL' I mean if you are big 'XL' just won't cut it. And if you are not, 'Large' should do it. There are not many people inbetween. Do they typically offer a range of sizes at concerts and/or other booster packs? Personally my choices of getting use out of it are--- (1) keep it in the bag sealed up (where it is right now) (2) wash and fade until it fits (seems a shame) (3) gain alot of weight (always an option ;-) (4) have my wife wear it to bed as a nightshirt #4 is a good option, but I hate to just have it crumpled up on the floor all the time ;-D Dream Regards, Joel From: 'teiwaz _' Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 6:48 am Subject: RE: Joel's view Joel wrote: >the view when you get to the top which is the same< don't you mean 'the dream is always the same' Joel? :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20516 Re: Joel's view Joel Mullen Tue 1/25/2000 2 KB From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 7:30 am Subject: Re: Can Atilla (was D:Live [Logos]) Michael A Jean wrote: > AVE was pretty amazing..I haven't heard Waves of Wheels...It is supposed to > be more 90s sounding, but I wold love to hear more from Heiko.. Here I am! I listened to 'Waves of wheels' 3 or 4 times yesterday. If there has ever been a record which sounds 150% like early 90's TD (especially 220 Volt live) then look no further. He even uses the same synths, chords, samples & sax sounds from that era. If I would have listened to this album without knowing the artist I would've assumed that these were TD tracks which didn't make it on regular releases. I prefer the 'Ave' cd but this is still a very good album (released in 1997). Regards, Heiko From: Joel Mullen Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 7:25 am Subject: RE: RE: Joel's view On Tuesday, January 25, 2000 12:49 AM, teiwaz _ [SMTP:teiwazbarana@h...] wrote: > From: 'teiwaz _' > > Joel wrote: > > >the view when you get to > the top which is the same< > > don't you mean 'the dream is always the same' Joel? > > :) ROTFLMAO!!!! :-D Yes, that would be appropriate! I must say I am happy to be getting the positive feedback that I have been regarding my post to onelist 'Enjoy the View' Several people have responded to me off-list. Thank you as well. :-) I must appologize for my many grammatical mistakes in the original post. As I re-re-read the forwarded messages my lack of sleep seems to be apparent. And I won't even get into my poor spelling habits. (forgive me Al ;-) One point I wish to make that was not readily apparent in my original post to the list. I did not mean to say that the struggle is not important. Or is not the MOST important thing for some people. I wanted to make the point that sometimes people can get too close to the 'process' so that they are no longer pleased with the results. While I appreciate originality,creativity and hard work I am glad I can distance myself enough to just enjoy the end result. And for me the good-old-days are just different. What TD I prefer to listen to can change daily, or even hourly. Right about now I feel like drawing a similarity of Tangerine Dream music to the making of sausage. Sometimes only people not involved in the 'sausage making profession' can enjoy the end result. If you know too much about how things are actually done you might not enjoy anything very much. Later! Regards, Joel From: Chris Richards Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 7:48 am Subject: Re: Zeit and Electronic Meditation I saw the discussion on these two albums and wanted to throw my two cents in (as we say in the USA). For one thing, there is an electronic instrument on EM: Edgar's electric organ. Sure, it's not quite a Moog synth or even a VCS3, but judging from the tone quality, I'd say it's a fully electronic instrument (such as a Farfisa, perhaps). I happen to feel it's quite an interesting peak at the early days of TD (or as early as Edgar is likely to ever let us have a peak at). The influence of Pink Floyd is clearly there, as this sounds like Edgar, Klaus and Conrad took the more experimental areas of that band's music and built an entire album around it. Certainly, the dirge like organ chords on Journey Through A Burning Brain are an obvious reference to the closing movement of Saucerful Of Secrets. As for Zeit, that's a weird record. There's moments of extreme interest for me, but for a double LP, there's just not enough variation in the music for me. I like the cellos at the beginning, and there's little bits and pieces that I quite like, but nothing really seems to go anywhere. BTW, someone suggested picking up the Castle Commuincations remaster of Zeit. You may also want to seriously consider trying to find one of the earlier pressings on vinyl or the Relativity double CD release. The reason is that on the remastered version, they cut off a chunk of one of the tracks (they did the same on Poland). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Death Before Dishonour Dishonour Before Disco __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 8:47 am Subject: Peter Baumann Does anybody know what Peter Baumann does these days? Last thing I could find out about him, he'd sold his Private label to BMG. Apparently, ex-Police guitarist Andy Summers was signed to that label. I had one of his albums, 'Charming Snakes' - great jazz-rock featuring Sting on the odd couple of tracks (only as a bassist though). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20519 Re: Peter Baumann Patrik . Tue 1/25/2000 1 KB 20545 Peter Baumann Simon Slator Wed 1/26/2000 1 KB 20551 Re: Peter Baumann Jeffrey Au Yeung Wed 1/26/2000 1 KB 20568 Re: Peter Baumann Simon Slator Thu 1/27/2000 1 KB 20574 Re: Peter Baumann Rainer Rutka Thu 1/27/2000 2 KB From: 'Patrik .' Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 2:01 pm Subject: Re: Peter Baumann From: 'Simon Slator' 'Apparently, ex-Police guitarist Andy Summers was signed to that label.' Simon, This has nothing to do with Peter Baumann, but didn´t Andy Summers appear live with TD in 1988? Anyone got any reports from that event? Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 8:15 am Subject: Edgar's TD Future Well, Edgar has mentioned retiring and also finishing the 'TD project' quite a few times in his career. I dimly remember a few people taking the 1986 tour as a farewell, and interpreting something like 'no more dreams' into some vocoder effects in one piece ;-) Next rush of panic came in 1990 with TDs 20th anniversary. My own theory about this: Edgar will retire from TD whenever he feels like it. Jerome may or may not take it on from there. Clear enough ? ;-) klaus From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 1:04 pm Subject: RE: Andy Summers Andy was the opening act on the 1988 Optical Race tour... At least on opening night in Chicago... He didn't actually play WITH them. MJ > > From: 'Simon Slator' > > 'Apparently, ex-Police guitarist Andy Summers was signed to that label.' > > Simon, > > This has nothing to do with Peter Baumann, but didn´t Andy Summers appear > live with TD in 1988? > Anyone got any reports from that event? > > Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > FREE ADVICE FROM REAL PEOPLE! Xpertsite has thousands of experts who > are willing to answer your questions for FREE. Go to Xpertsite today > and put your mind to rest. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20524 Re: Andy Summers Patrik . Tue 1/25/2000 1 KB 20528 Re: Andy Summers joe shoults Tue 1/25/2000 2 KB From: PW098@a... Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 1:21 pm Subject: Optical Race Tour Patrik, I was at the Optical Race show in New York with Andy Summers opening. He spent most of time tuning his guitar and messing with the bass pedals that I was quite disappointed. It was the only TD concert i have been to and I was expecting something very different from TD. Instead of long held chords there was heavy beats and mostly driving music. If I remember correctly, Edgar & Paul both player guitar on the same song. I really enjoyed the concert and went on a TD buying spree shortly afterward. I still wear the concert T-shirt but its a little tighter then it used to be (it must have shunk!). -Bob << This has nothing to do with Peter Baumann, but didn´t Andy Summers appear live with TD in 1988? Anyone got any reports from that event? >> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20525 Re: Optical Race Tour Patrik . Tue 1/25/2000 1 KB 20539 Re: Optical Race Tour PENFOLD Wed 1/26/2000 1 KB From: Vincent Goudreault Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 1:40 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 369 > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:01:05 CET > From: 'Patrik .' > Subject: Re: Peter Baumann > > From: 'Simon Slator' > > 'Apparently, ex-Police guitarist Andy Summers was signed to that label.' > > Simon, > > This has nothing to do with Peter Baumann, but didn´t Andy Summers appear > live with TD in 1988? > Anyone got any reports from that event? Eminently forgettable. People were out to see TD, and in comes Andy, with music we nerver heard before, and which wasn't that good. Crowd was polite, but not moved. Later, TD came on stage. THAT rocked. > > Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden np: J.S.Bach, Brandenburg #2 C.B.V. Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20526 Re: Digest Number 369 AslanFan1@a... Tue 1/25/2000 1 KB 20537 Re: Digest Number 369 Joel Mullen Wed 1/26/2000 1 KB From: 'Patrik .' Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 6:09 pm Subject: RE: Andy Summers From: 'Michael A Jean' Andy was the opening act on the 1988 Optical Race tour... At least on opening night in Chicago... He didn't actually play WITH them. MJ OK Michael, interesting enough. Thank´s for the info! Patrik. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Patrik .' Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 6:13 pm Subject: Re: Optical Race Tour From: PW098@a... 'Patrik, I was at the Optical Race show in New York with Andy Summers opening. He spent most of time tuning his guitar and messing with the bass pedals that I was quite disappointed.' Hmmm....I didn´t miss that much then. Patrik ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: AslanFan1@a... Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 2:37 pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 369 In a message dated 1/25/00 4:32:02 AM, tadream@o... writes: << Joel wrote: >the view when you get to the top which is the same< don't you mean 'the dream is always the same' Joel? >> Hey Joel...Get Off the Babysitter! Please...Just, Get Off the Babysitter! From: Gabe Yedid Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 3:52 pm Subject: Re: Can Atilla (was D:Live [Logos]) On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Heiko HeerXen wrote: > From: 'Heiko Heerßen' > > > > Michael A Jean wrote: > > > AVE was pretty amazing..I haven't heard Waves of Wheels...It is supposed to > > be more 90s sounding, but I wold love to hear more from Heiko.. > > Here I am! > I listened to 'Waves of wheels' 3 or 4 times yesterday. If there has ever been a record which sounds 150% like early 90's TD (especially > 220 Volt live) then look no further. He even uses the same synths, chords, samples & sax sounds from that era. If I would have listened > to this album without knowing the artist I would've assumed that these were TD tracks which didn't make it on regular releases. I prefer > the 'Ave' cd but this is still a very good album (released in 1997). So basically, this guy is to TD what Ed Starink is to JMJ(?) Actually I think I might be interested in acquiring this album...there are too many 70s and 80s TD imitators out there (IMO), but a *'90s* TD imitator is something you don't find everyday! ;) > Regards, > Heiko Gabe From: 'joe shoults' Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 4:22 pm Subject: RE: Andy Summers It was great! In Cleveland '88, they played at an open-air stage (Nautica Stage) adjacent to the river that runs through town. Huge ore freighters regularly go up and down the river on their way to the steel factories upriver. They pass directly behind the stage on their way. It was quite an interesting backdrop. Of course, having never been there, Summers surely didn't know what to expect, so he appeared to be quite taken aback when he realized his entire peripheral field of vision behind him was moving, like a huge building moving silently, slowly past. He just stopped playing and stood there with a note hanging, jaw agape, looking at the ship and said, 'Wow...coool!' The crowd went wild. Summers played solo, with just his guitar, playing layered, sequenced guitar effects, sounding like sometimes like he was just sorta rambling around, but very nice, very atmospheric. joe > -----Original Message----- > > From: 'Simon Slator' ...> > This has nothing to do with Peter Baumann, but didn´t Andy > Summers appear > > live with TD in 1988? > > Anyone got any reports from that event? > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 4:44 pm Subject: Re: Can Atilla (was D:Live [Logos]) Gabe Yedid wrote: > > So basically, this guy is to TD what Ed Starink is to JMJ(?) I don't think so. Ed Starink plays covers of JMJ music, whereas Can Atilla plays original music in a style very close to TD's. At least I can't recognize any TD tune in Can Atilla's album 'Ave'. Or should I visit the ears' doctor? Antonio Nunes np: Sohoman From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 7:17 pm Subject: Miracle Mile live Koulos inqired: >> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:40:26 +0200 From: 'koulos_' Subject: miracle mile i just bought miracle mile today and i am very satisfied with the music i hear..[more satisfaied than i thought i would be] so what i want o know is if there is sany bootleg containing parts of miracle miles [sounds really interesting to find out althought i think i might be disapointed to find out nothing] >>> Yes, some of it has been played live. I have got: 'After the call' on Spherical Harmonics and Argonautica Americana Part 2 and it must be on Bourbon Street Atari Party because that one was also recorded during the OR Tour. 'Teetering Scales' on Werner Seelenbider Halle (Berlin, 1990) furthermore I remember that a track off Miracle Mile was played in the KlangArt concert (Osnabrueck, 1999) this concert was also bootlegged. All of these live renditions have nice additions to the studio versions. BTW live renditions and sequencers. There was a thread about it on the list yesterday. I like it when TD plays known stuff live (Phaedra on Spherical Harmonics is my current favourite). I thinks TD uses more 'backup' (be it DAT, sequencer program, HD recorder or I don't know what) nowadays when playing 90s stuff live is because the structure of the tracks requires it. Their tracks have become more and more complex, they cannot be played without using originally recorded stuff. Furthermore the short melody lines do not allow them to improvise long solos on top of them like they used to do when they had the long tracks with only slightly changing backup sequences. Nevertheless they DO come out with some changes to the studio versions although it is more difficult to notice. If you listen carefully, you can notice it in all of the tracks on Valentine Wheels or Tournado as well. From: 'Thomas' Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 9:20 pm Subject: SV: Peter Baumann > From: 'Simon Slator' > > Does anybody know what Peter Baumann does these days? He was interviewed on Electrobeats on the 12th of July last year. Ask around if anybody listened to it, or better yet, taped it. Or check the following link: http://www.radioeins.de/sendungen/elektro_beats/studiogaeste/ Maybe they have written transcriptions of their interviews for sale, I don't know - it's just an idea. Hope this helps. Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20546 Re: SV: Peter Baumann Rainer Rutka Wed 1/26/2000 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 8:46 pm Subject: Atem's tune > do-doo-do-do, de-doo-dee-doo I love the beginning of Atem. It's one of the best moments of the first 5 years of Tadream. Have they ever made a remix of Atem? Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20535 Re: Atem's tune joe shoults Tue 1/25/2000 1 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 8:50 pm Subject: Electronic Meditation >There is a lot more to it. Although there is little or no evidence of the >use of electronic instruments on this album, it serves well as a preview to >TD's later musical exploits. The use of original sounds and electric >circuits to create a new, unique brand of music is already in evidence here, >as is the symphonic structure of compositions. The structure is what >fascinates me most about Electronic Meditation: There is something >awe-inspiring about the way in which 'Genesis' opens the album, which then >proceeds to map the gradual degeneration inherent in the human condition, >through chaos into nothingness, until 'Resurrection' completes the cycle and >finishes the album on a reprise from the first piece. It is all rather dark >and obviously not terribly sophisticated from a technical point of view, but >the composition is a work of genius already. > >Dennis This seems to be the most positive EM review I've ever read. It makes me want to buy the record. (or rent ;) Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 37118 Electronic Meditation John Vertical omegatransfinito Sat 11/16/2002 3 KB 37141 Re: Electronic Meditation Marko Marin rubyconist Mon 11/18/2002 2 KB 37143 Re: Electronic Meditation Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited groovekees Mon 11/18/2002 3 KB From: 'Thomas' Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 9:36 pm Subject: SV: Atem's tune > From: Gustavo Jobim > > Have they ever made a remix of Atem? Yes. In the 5CD box 'Dream Roots Collection' there are two. They are remixes of 'Fauni Gena' and 'Wahn'. Whether you like the remixes or not is totally a matter of taste. If I say they are good, I will get flamed for that, and if I say it is crap I will probably be flamed for that too. But I can say that Edgar did a really good job of 'supporting' the original music with 'background' sounds (which tend to take the upper hand now and then). Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden From: 'joe shoults' Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 10:29 pm Subject: RE: Atem's tune LOL! > -----Original Message----- ... > From: 'Thomas' ...If I say they are > good, I will get flamed for that, and if I say it is crap I will > probably be flamed for that too. From: Grant M Somerville Date: Tue Jan 25, 2000 10:49 pm Subject: Re: Can Atilla (was D:Live [Logos]) Gabe Yedid wrote: > From: Gabe Yedid > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Heiko HeerXen wrote: > > > From: 'Heiko Heerßen' > > > > > > > > Michael A Jean wrote: > > > > > AVE was pretty amazing..I haven't heard Waves of Wheels...It is supposed to > > > be more 90s sounding, but I wold love to hear more from Heiko.. > > > > Here I am! > > I listened to 'Waves of wheels' 3 or 4 times yesterday. If there has ever been a record which sounds 150% like early 90's TD (especially > > 220 Volt live) then look no further. He even uses the same synths, chords, samples & sax sounds from that era. If I would have listened > > to this album without knowing the artist I would've assumed that these were TD tracks which didn't make it on regular releases. I prefer > > the 'Ave' cd but this is still a very good album (released in 1997). > > So basically, this guy is to TD what Ed Starink is to JMJ(?) > > Actually I think I might be interested in acquiring this album...there are > too many 70s and 80s TD imitators out there (IMO), but a *'90s* TD > imitator is something you don't find everyday! ;) > > > Regards, > > Heiko > > Gabe > > -- Hi All, Has anybody got info on ed starink? Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joel Mullen Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 1:02 am Subject: RE: Digest Number 369 On Tuesday, January 25, 2000 8:37 AM, AslanFan1@a... [SMTP:AslanFan1@a...] wrote: > From: AslanFan1@a... > > > In a message dated 1/25/00 4:32:02 AM, tadream@o... writes: > > << Joel wrote: > > > >the view when you get to > > the top which is the same< > > > don't you mean 'the dream is always the same' Joel? >> > > Hey Joel...Get Off the Babysitter! Please...Just, Get Off the Babysitter! Hey, I spent alot of time trying to get *on* the babysitter!!!! Every now and then you just have to say 'what the f-ck!' Joel BTW Alan, do you think Starshiptrooper and Antique Dreams will ever get released? (you know what I mean ;-) From: Joel Mullen Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 4:59 am Subject: I am buying Klaus Schulze items. Are you selling? Hello all- If anyone is looking to sell off some Klaus Schulze CDs let me know. I collect all releases from every country, every catalog number etc. So if you send a list please include--- (1) Title (2) Catalog number (3) Country it was pressed (if you can determine that) I am missing alot of Magnum America stuff, but really my wants are all over the place. Including Ashra and other projects he participated in. Let me know if you have any questions. If there is something I need from your list I can either buy it or provide you with my trade list of TD and TD related CDs if you want. Some rare stuff too. Regards, Joel e-mail --- joelm@p... From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 5:16 am Subject: Re: Optical Race Tour At 2000.01.25 x 05:21, PW098@a... wrote: >concert and went on a TD buying spree shortly afterward. I still wear the >concert T-shirt but its a little tighter then it used to be (it must have >shunk!). the white or the black T? Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joel Mullen Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 7:06 am Subject: TD to wake up to???? Hello all- Sick of hearing from me??? Well answer me this---- I just bought a CD alarm clock. What TD CD and/or track is the best for waking up to. (Don't say 'the longest') I want something that starts off easy that won't make me hit the snooze button, but something I won't sleep through either. Some track that by the time it gets to the end you are ready to start the day. And something that won't give me any freaky morning nightmares before I do fully wake up. Looking foward to your suggestions! ( I don't think we have covered this subject yet. We did the desert island thing, funeral, wedding, bar,driving,sex and enough top tens to choke a horse, but no 'waking up to' selections as far as I know) Regards, Joel BTW if there is also a good 'fall asleep to' or 'make love to' track on the same CD (or different if I make a CD-R) that would be a good bonus. However falling asleep is never much of a problem. ;-) But at *only* 74 minutes a CD a 'TD sex' selection would be harder to make as I would have to stop in the middle to hit play again and end up listening to each track twice. ;-D Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20541 Re: TD to wake up to???? Heiko Heerßen Wed 1/26/2000 2 KB 20542 Re: TD to wake up to???? Jeffrey Au Yeung Wed 1/26/2000 2 KB 20544 Re: TD to wake up to???? PENFOLD Wed 1/26/2000 1 KB 20547 Re: TD to wake up to???? Poulton, Larry Wed 1/26/2000 2 KB 20550 Re: TD to wake up to???? Joe Shoults Wed 1/26/2000 1 KB 20553 Re: TD to wake up to???? Attila Gyory Wed 1/26/2000 1 KB 20554 Re: TD to wake up to???? koulos_ Wed 1/26/2000 1 KB 20556 Re: TD to wake up to???? ;-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dust Wed 1/26/2000 1 KB 20557 Re: TD to wake up to???? ;-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dust Wed 1/26/2000 2 KB From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 7:41 am Subject: Re: TD to wake up to???? Joel Mullen wrote: > Looking foward to your suggestions! ( I don't think we > have covered this subject yet. We did the desert island > thing, funeral, wedding, bar,driving,sex and enough top > tens to choke a horse, but no 'waking up to' selections > as far as I know) My 'waking up to' selection for Monday morning.... 'Wahn'!!!! ~LOL~ > BTW if there is also a good 'fall asleep to' or 'make love > to' track on the same CD (or different if I make a CD-R) > that would be a good bonus. However falling asleep is > never much of a problem. ;-) But at *only* 74 minutes a CD > a 'TD sex' selection would be harder to make as I would > have to stop in the middle to hit play again and end up > listening to each track twice. ;-D This reminds me of my last years' favourite quote (from a Swedish list member, forgot his name) 'What! You guys have sex?' My fave 'fall asleep to' track is probably most of the slower songs on the 'Great Wall of China'...quite boring. Regards, tired Heiko (see what you've done, Joel ;-) From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 7:49 am Subject: Re: TD to wake up to???? From: Joel Mullen Hello all- Sick of hearing from me??? Well answer me this---- I just bought a CD alarm clock. What TD CD and/or track is the best for waking up to. (Don't say 'the longest') I want something that starts off easy that won't make me hit the snooze button, but something I won't sleep through either. Some track that by the time it gets to the end you are ready to start the day. And something that won't give me any freaky morning nightmares before I do fully wake up. * Joel- As a true recommendation, I think 'Berlin Summer Nights' could be one, as it starts mild and tender and gives you time to slowly regain your consciousness. Otherwise, as a joking choice, 'Aqua' is one - it reminds you where you need to go to at once after waking up....8-) Jeffrey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 7:43 am Subject: Forced to Surrender/What a blast Hello , since What a blast is released, I noticed that no one writes about the great guitarsolo on take 7 ( Forced to Surrender) , it seemes that Rhandy Rhoads ( ex-guitarist of Ozzy Osbourne) came back out of the grave. Who of the boys played the guitar ? Greetings Phrozenlight my Homepage http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/PhrozenLight/ (still under construction) please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-) From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 8:08 am Subject: Re: TD to wake up to???? At 2000.01.25 x 23:06, Joel Mullen wrote: >From: Joel Mullen >BTW if there is also a good 'fall asleep to' _Pergamon_ set to repeat and sleep for 90 minutes, it'll play twice & shut off. perfect Pete Isaacson Saw copy of _The Keep_ LP, held it in his hands, but didn't have the $ DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 9:16 am Subject: Peter Baumann Thanks, Thomas - I managed to find out that Peter's not exactly been a musical recluse since the 80's! Never knew he performed on Eno's 'Nerve Net'. Subject: SV: Peter Baumann > From: 'Simon Slator' > > Does anybody know what Peter Baumann does these days? He was interviewed on Electrobeats on the 12th of July last year. Ask around if anybody listened to it, or better yet, taped it. Or check the following link: http://www.radioeins.de/sendungen/elektro_beats/studiogaeste/ Maybe they have written transcriptions of their interviews for sale, I don't know - it's just an idea. Hope this helps. Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 10:49 am Subject: Re: SV: Peter Baumann On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Thomas wrote: > From: 'Thomas' > > From: 'Simon Slator' > > Does anybody know what Peter Baumann does these days? > He was interviewed on Electrobeats on the 12th of July last year. Ask around if anybody listened to it, or better yet, taped it. Or check the following link: > http://www.radioeins.de/sendungen/elektro_beats/studiogaeste/ > Maybe they have written transcriptions of their interviews for sale, I don't know - it's just an idea. > Hope this helps. Hi! You'll find a CDR taped from this radioshow im my TD internetsite. www.rutka.de/td -> TD-Solo -> Baumann, Peter or -> Tangerine Dream -> Radioshows. Including a tracklisting and pictures. Hope it helps. Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Poulton, Larry' Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 9:07 am Subject: RE: TD to wake up to???? Gotta be Tangram Set2 IMO........... It starts from a dreamlike state, progresses through the 'Get outta bed!!' rock stuff and leaves you feeling pretty optimistic about the forthcoming day. Never tried it though.....would love to but wife would hit the 'snooze' in 2 seconds flat!! Larry _____________________________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at www.nortonrose.com ______________________________________________________________________ From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 11:19 am Subject: RE (x2): Digest Number 369 Hi Gang! Well, I was just sitting here -- quietly (I'll explain later) when the Tad list popped into breadbasket... That's what I like to call the e-mail folder. And, Lo & behold I see that my good friend and colleague Joel has posed an interesting question to 'Alan.' Of course, first I reset my cookies and do a quick double check on a name or two in the Tadream OneList just to be sure he's talking about 'Alan Cox' the originator of the actual question. Besides, feeling in a devious mood tonight, I'll pretend I'm 'Alan' (hehehe), and answer Joel's question anyway (You talking to me? ~LOL~). And, since I haven't answered his 61st e-mail of last current in (I'm ahead in the e-mail_ out_ count, btw!). Anyway, in the last Tad digest... Joel wrote: > Message: 18 > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:02:18 -0600 > From: Joel Mullen > Subject: RE: Digest Number 369 > > On Tuesday, January 25, 2000 8:37 AM, AslanFan1@a... > [SMTP:AslanFan1@a...] wrote: >> From: AslanFan1@a... >> >> >> In a message dated 1/25/00 4:32:02 AM, tadream@o... writes: >> >> << Joel wrote: >> >> >the view when you get to >> >> the top which is the same< >> >> don't you mean 'the dream is always the same' Joel? >> I like it already! ~LOL~ >> Hey Joel...Get Off the Babysitter! Please...Just, Get Off the Babysitter! Double your pleasure? ~ROFL~ > Hey, I spent alot of time trying to get *on* the babysitter!!!! This reminds me... I just picked up a beautiful set of 'Risky Business' lobby cards. Eight in all (11' x 14') in full color and absolutely *mint*. What a f--king deal! OK -- back to the TD story... > Every now and then you just have to say 'what the f-ck!' Absolutely! For those of you that heard the special KALX (90.7 FM) TD show recorded here in Berkeley, CA on October 20, 1994 -- you know that I use that *word* a lot! ~LOL~ Absolutely, as it's quite well known that I refer to 'Risky Business' as my first and true TD love. But, that's clearly another TD story for another Tadream day... > Joel The one & only... Whoops, that's a Porsche. Sorry! Further defined in this URL: < http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=244746995 > > BTW Alan, do you think Starshiptrooper and Antique Dreams > will ever get released? (you know what I mean ;-) _________________________________________________ And, now back to the Tadream drawing board: I suppose that last is meant for me! (remember -- I'm pretending). Joel's checking to make sure I'm still kicking (hehehe) TD wise of course. The answer is: Let's wait to see how they screw up 'Soundmill Navigator' first (ala 'Sohoman' -- IMHO)... Then we can deal with 'Starhiptrooper' & 'Antique Dreams.' What I'll be curious to know is if they actually manage to fix the little glitch that occurs in the opening segment (the first eight minutes) of this splendid piece from Berlin, Germany (Philharmonic Hall), 06/27/76. We already have terrific tapes from the FM source and many beautiful CDR recordings, etc. So, why we TD diehards need worry? ~LOL~ Heck! I'm waiting for the TD Tee-shirts to surface and be on the TDI selling block! (Hey Martin -- we're all waiting enough of the TDI Scuba watch already!). BTW, Jeffrey Au-Yeung (the leader of the 'Goblin's Club' pack) found this cute little item that he kindly shared with me recently: < http://205.242.59.45/andy-tees/tees-eight.html > See the T-shirt just above the one located on the bottom right! This will do in a TD pinch ~ROFL~ I've ordered two myself -- one white & one black! Two for the TD road of dreams... Best Regards, -- Al Berkeley, CA / USA PS: For those of you that know my story... (a portion of it was posted in the new 'Art of Vision' TD list run by Jared White). I'll steal a line or two from there and include a short but brief update: Posted in: 'Art of Vision' digest #6 (12/29/99): Subject: Re (x2): 4 days 'till 2000! > OK you guys... > > First and I'll make this short. Today (yesterday) was not only my > Workmen's Compensation Appeals Board court date (18 months > of pure non-stop torture), but also a day in which I saw my family > doctor (Dr. Daniel Anderson) of almost forty years. Having awoken > on Christmas day and realized that I'd just lost the total use of my > left arm... Anyway, the final WCAB settlement is being settled and > the good doctor gave me some very pointed & sharp cortisone > injections (Ouch!), and additionally anti-inflammatory drugs. Also, > I picked-up some really cool pain killers, etc. So, needless to say > I'm sailing free and away here. And, a few thoughtful comments of > mutual interest follow (hopefully). Then, a mere two weeks later my left arm heals as I finally get the WCAB money. A short week passes and then I strain my bloody back (I've a bad back). There's nothing quite like real *pain* to bring out a tad of humility right back into you life ~ROFL~ Also, for those of you still waiting for 'things' (passing Joe's test) from me... Al's TD motto #19: 'A TD diehards *promise* is always the very best kind!' I rest my TD case... NP: 'Nightcrawlers' (An American synth group 1980-91), featuring Peter and Tom Gulch & Dave Lunt. Really great stuff! Thanks Heiko!!! BTW, 'TD Music to wake up too.' I'm sort of partial to 'Digital Sister' from the remixed version of 'TimeSquare -- Dream Mixes I.' And, the fabulous 'Burning Bar' from 'Thief' is always a pure pleasure... ~LOL~ PPS: OK -- that was a lot of fun -- now back to lurk mode... All in the spirit of TD fun & games. ;-) (With my apologizes to Alan Cox, aka: AslanFan1.). ********************************************************************* __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From: 'Patrik .' Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 4:06 pm Subject: RE: TD to wake up to IMHO, it has to be: 'Dolphin Dance'. Bright and optimistic with a good steady beat :-) Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20571 TD to wake up to Frank Thu 1/27/2000 1 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 1:32 pm Subject: RE: TD to wake up to???? well, of course it has to be Logos Part 1e, with the 'Wake up!' sample. joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Mullen [mailto:joelm@p...] ... > I just bought a CD alarm clock. What TD CD and/or track > is the best for waking up to. (Don't say 'the longest') I > want something that starts off easy that won't make me > hit the snooze button, but something I won't sleep through > either. From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 2:16 pm Subject: Re: Peter Baumann ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Slator To: tadream@o... Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 5:16 PM Subject: [tadream] Peter Baumann From: 'Simon Slator' Thanks, Thomas - I managed to find out that Peter's not exactly been a musical recluse since the 80's! Never knew he performed on Eno's 'Nerve Net'. Hello Simon, How do you know that Peter Baumann performed on Eno's Nerve Net? I have this CD but can't find any sign of his name being credited. Jeffrey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 3:05 pm Subject: Who Has To Wake Up!? Hey Joel, How Ya doin? Getting much sleep? > From: Joel Mullen > I just bought a CD alarm clock. What TD CD and/or track > is the best for waking up to. (Don't say 'the longest') I > want something that starts off easy that won't make me > hit the snooze button, but something I won't sleep through > either. Some track that by the time it gets to the end you > are ready to start the day. And something that won't give > me any freaky morning nightmares before I do fully wake up. Long Island Sunset (Lily) SunGate (Optical Race) Three Bikes In The Sky (Melrose) May use one of these myself, when I have to wake up :) > > BTW if there is also a good 'fall asleep to' ZEIT ZEIT ZEIT (Yawn! I get sleepy just thinking about it :) >or 'make love to' track on the same CD (or different if I make a CD-R) > that would be a good bonus. Well as I mentioned previously, I chose Live Miles (Yet to 'use' it though ;) Actually, I think that Long Island Sunset would work for that as well. > But at *only* 74 minutes a CD > a 'TD sex' selection would be harder to make as I would > have to stop in the middle to hit play again and end up > listening to each track twice. ;-D Well Joel, since you are such an animal, I guess a 7:11 track will not work for you :) Hope you wake up to good dreams, siberkat From: Attila Gyory Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 3:50 pm Subject: RE: TD to wake up to???? > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joel Mullen [mailto:joelm@p...] > ... > > I just bought a CD alarm clock. What TD CD and/or > track > > is the best for waking up to. (Don't say 'the > longest') I > > want something that starts off easy that won't > make me > > hit the snooze button, but something I won't sleep > through > > either. Well, 'Wahn' or 'Cinnamon Road' would do... Attila Gyory __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: 'koulos_' Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 3:42 pm Subject: Re: TD to wake up to???? hi man what i do like to hear in order to wake up is 'confrontation' the unrealed track from thief soundtrack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 4:33 pm Subject: RE: Joel's wake up call Hi Joel, I recommend 'Song of the Whale pt 2', from Underwater Sunlight. It starts off with a slow, pretty piano solo, then builds into the synth chords. It's 4 minutes + before the drums kick in, and it ends with a totally ROCKIN' guitar solo. Just the ticket, I think. James -----Original Message----- I just bought a CD alarm clock. What TD CD and/or track is the best for waking up to? From: ';-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dusty ;-Chalk' Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 4:34 pm Subject: Re: TD to wake up to???? On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, koulos_ wrote: > From: 'koulos_' > > hi man what i do like to hear in order to wake up is 'confrontation' > the unrealed track from thief soundtrack From: ';-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dusty ;-Chalk' Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 4:36 pm Subject: Re: TD to wake up to???? Oops, sorry about that, meant to hit 'cancel' not 'send'... Anyway,...: On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, koulos_ wrote: > From: 'koulos_' > > hi man what i do like to hear in order to wake up is 'confrontation' the > unrealed track from thief soundtrack Actually, the credit to that track is to Michael Mann, and in the movie, it's a little more obvious (I don't know why) that it wasn't TD doing it. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joel Mullen [mailto:joelm@p...] > ... > > I just bought a CD alarm clock. What TD CD and/or > track > > is the best for waking up to. (Don't say 'the > longest') I > > want something that starts off easy that won't > make me > > hit the snooze button, but something I won't sleep > through > > either. I would think that 'Cloudburst Flight' would be a good one (sorry if it's been mentioned already). -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 9:40 pm Subject: Ulitmate DVD Gold (with TD, Question!) HI! Found a DVD called 'The Ultima DVD Gold'. It's sampler including Alan Parsons, Jan Hammer..... and TD! Need some infos please (tracks and more)! Thank you all ;-=) Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- TD-page: www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Steven Feldman Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 8:43 pm Subject: Emusic Webring Hi, I was prowling around the web, looking for links to e-musicians' web sites, and found an e-music webring! This is the hierarchy of pages that I had to go through to find it: 1st) http://www.groove.nl/ 2nd) http://www.groove.nl/links.html 3rd) http://users.exis.net/~westend/ 4th) http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?home&ring=emusic 5th) http://w3.gwis.com/~ullrich/join_emusic.html And here are the guidelines (it seems to me that nearly all of Tangerine Dream-related and space music fandom is elibible!): |Requirements for joining | |Your site should deal exclusively (or at least, largely) with electronic |music. What this means is music created with the help of synthesizers |and computers - music that has a distinct sound to it, usually of the |ambient/atmospheric or techno-influenced kind. Sites featuring any other |kinds of music such as pop, rock, jazz etc., even if it is performed |using synthesizers, will therefore not be accepted into the ring. Your |site can be a fan site for artists such as Tangerine Dream, Klaus |Schulze, Kraftwerk, FSOL, Orbital and others, or it can be a collection |of files in MIDI, MP3 or other formats for download. It can be a magazine |or a discussion forum, a resource on the history and function of |synthesizers, or it can be your own personal site featuring your own |compositions. Submitted sites may be both private and commercial. Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. MAJOR E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Moroder -- *not* Kraftwerk! +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | TD DISCOGRAPHY http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/tadream2.html | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Jan 26, 2000 9:12 pm Subject: Re: TD to wake up to???? In a message dated 1/26/2000 1:36:26 PM !!!First Boot!!!, shoults@s... writes: << From: 'Joe Shoults' well, of course it has to be Logos Part 1e, with the 'Wake up!' sample. joe >> (Good one !!! ;-) So that IS what they're saying.(?)... I always thought so, but wasn't sure....... Poly From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 12:14 am Subject: TDI & T-SHIRTS. Hey just thought I would put my oar in here and say get a move on with the merchandise guys my Logos shirt has just self destructed and I am in desperate need of new TD related shirts. Just make sure you do the XL or even better the XXL versions. Funny I was never able to get XL from the concerts always LARGE and Large just dont cut it with my figure. Bst regards Carl ' Orch' ICQ 38818818 , From: Vic Rek Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 12:24 am Subject: Re: TD to wake up to???? What about '3 AM at the Border at the Marsh from Okefenokee'? :-) Vic From: 'Ray' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 12:24 am Subject: New member wants to join Hello I would like to introduce a new member to the list, but have forgotten how this should be done. Can someone please give instructions in order that I can pass this to the new 'person'. Thanks - Ray Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20584 Re: New member wants to join joe shoults Thu 1/27/2000 1 KB From: RBrown4856@a... Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 12:45 am Subject: Re: TD to wake up to???? Greetings Joel! 'FLASH FLOOD from OASIS' Rick From: 'cinemafan' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 5:26 am Subject: Joels Sweet Dreams I like track four (IV) on the Miracle Mile ST-On the Spur Of the Moment for falling asleep to. Put that on reapeat and it will close your eyes before you know it. As for albums- I kinda like the Perg. suggestion , or how about the original release of AMBIENT MONKEYS? the one with no chapter stops? Repeat that, kinda like a cross between TD and those expensive sleep/waterfall/night noise machines. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Quarlie@a... Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 3:14 am Subject: Re: TD to wake up to???? In a message dated 1/26/00 2:07:45 AM, Joel Mullen writes: >I just bought a CD alarm clock. What TD CD and/or track >is the best for waking up to. (Don't say 'the longest') I >want something that starts off easy that won't make me >hit the snooze button, but something I won't sleep through >either. Some track that by the time it gets to the end you >are ready to start the day. And something that won't give >me any freaky morning nightmares before I do fully wake up. 'Long Island Sunset' immediately springs to mind. True, the title is the exact opposite of what you're seeking, but the music always seemed more like a sunrise than a sunset to me. After thinking about it for a moment, I also decided that 'Marakesh' and 'Flashflood' would be appropriate. --Daniel (Quarlie) NP: St. Etienne--Tiger Bay From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 8:10 am Subject: Saving Live Audio Feeds to One's Hard Drive Hi, How does one save live audio feeds ('streaming audio') that use Media Player 6.4? Specifically, I am inquiring about the Star's End space music radio show that plays from 1:00am Saturday nights until 6:00am Sunday mornings (USA Eastern Time Zone) on WXPN. This show is on too late for my decrepit, aging self, and I'd like to be able to store it on my hard drive so I can listen to it later (and/or copy it with my CD burner and/or CD-RW -- neither of which I've had the nerve to learn how to use yet). The URLs involved are Star's End WXPN WXPIN Live -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20578 Re: Saving Live Audio Feeds to One's Hard Drive Kevin Earley Thu 1/27/2000 1 KB From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 10:26 am Subject: Re: Peter Baumann It was from the website that Rainer posted on the list yesterday. My knowledge of the German language isn't what it was, but I did see a tabular entry for Eno's 'Nerve Net' and Peter's name being in the 'info' column at the end. Perhaps Peter was an uncredited performer? Perhaps the old Eno Ego was a bit full back in 1992? Who knows?! > Hello Simon, > How do you know that Peter Baumann performed on Eno's Nerve Net? I have this CD but can't find any sign of his name being credited. > Jeffrey From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 12:05 pm Subject: Hyperborea How do you actually pronounce 'Hyperborea'? Is it like hy-pa-buh-rear or hy-pur-bor-rear? I've figured out how to pronounce 'Froese' as I used to pronounce it as 'fro-esser' - stupid, huh? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20572 Re: Hyperborea Heiko Heerßen Thu 1/27/2000 1 KB 20576 Re: Hyperborea Synthhtnys@a... Thu 1/27/2000 1 KB 20577 Re: Hyperborea Jim Moore Thu 1/27/2000 2 KB 20580 Re: Hyperborea Patrik . Thu 1/27/2000 1 KB 20582 Re: Hyperborea Craig Chambers Thu 1/27/2000 3 KB 20585 Re: Hyperborea Paul Fellows Thu 1/27/2000 2 KB 20594 Re: Hyperborea Michael A Jean Fri 1/28/2000 2 KB 20596 Re: Hyperborea Bert.Hulshoff@N... Fri 1/28/2000 2 KB 20597 Re: Hyperborea Simon Slator Fri 1/28/2000 1 KB From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 12:23 pm Subject: Ed & Bill? Have you seen the latest entry in the TD guestbook from a certain Chauncey G. Clembecker? He wrote '...another rumour is floating in the higher circles here in the States that Edgar & Company have been rubbing elbows with Sir Bill Gates, near Seattle. It is said that they have plans of playing a show 'in-house' for his child's upcoming birthday party...' Sure would be very difficult to get this show bootlegged. Maybe I'll disguise as a clown, handing out little tape recorders to the kids ;-) Heiko From: 'Frank' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 1:18 pm Subject: TD to wake up to Hey guys, [ where's the women?] I just wanted to get off the sidelines for once and chip my two cents in, for what it's worth. My first choice without a doubt would have to be 'Roaring Of The Bliss'. But I kinda have to agree with Daniel [Quarlie] and Rick, 'Flashflood' wouldn't be bad to wake up to either. Maybe even 'Canyon Carver' . 'Quichotte I' would be great if you could manage to stay awake past the first three and a half minutes! Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 12:30 pm Subject: Re: Hyperborea Simon Slator wrote: > From: 'Simon Slator' > > How do you actually pronounce 'Hyperborea'? > > Is it like hy-pa-buh-rear or hy-pur-bor-rear? I thought it was like Pooh-the-bear..... ;-) Anyway, this is the next album to be discussed on the 'D:' week and I'm really looking forward to read some opinions. It seems to me that this one is regarded as the weakest album from the Schmoelling years (1980-85).... Heiko From: 'Frank' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 1:30 pm Subject: Re: Where's Peter Baumann at? I actually tried writing to Peter a little over a year ago, but my letter was returned back. I seem to remember something from somewhere along the lines that he was living somewhere in Mexico! Whether this was true I have no way of knowing for sure. Dream's...... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 1:31 pm Subject: Re: Re: Peter Baumann On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Simon Slator wrote: > From: 'Simon Slator' > It was from the website that Rainer posted on the list yesterday. My > knowledge of the German language isn't what it was, but I did see a tabular > entry for Eno's 'Nerve Net' and Peter's name being in the 'info' column at > the end. Perhaps Peter was an uncredited performer? Perhaps the old Eno Ego > was a bit full back in 1992? Who knows?! HI! Well, the ENO-Track was played in this show only, because Peter Baumann is a FAN (like me!) of Eno. To fill the time (4 hours) Peter was allowed to play some music HE likes. But (as I know) he _never_ played together with him! Hope it helps! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Thomas' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 12:37 pm Subject: CASTLE TO REISSUE TANGERINE DREAM LPs Hi all. Maybe this is old news, but: For all of you vinyl fans out there, here's an interesting piece of information for you. I found it at the following web address: http://www.diverse-music.co.uk/news/tangerine.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally formed as a rock band in 1967 by Edgar Froese, Tangeringe Dream have become one of the most important groups to shape contemporary instrumental music of the last twenty years. Castle Communications have repressed the first four LPs, taking in the bands' most productive period. The titles are 'Electronic Meditation', 'Alpha Centauri', 'Zeit', and 'Atem'. All titles are 180g pressings, and the seminal album 'Zeit' is a double. The LPs are £15.90 each, and £23.90 for the double. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- These albums are available at Groove Unlimited, www.groove.nl (no, I don't work for them, I just like vinyl). Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 1:03 pm Subject: Re: Hyperborea In a message dated 1/27/2000 12:07:29 PM !!!First Boot!!!, in6471@w... writes: << From: 'Simon Slator' How do you actually pronounce 'Hyperborea'?>> *The phonetic pronunciation is High - per - bore- ee - uh In case you don't know it's a mythical 'Lost Civilization' like Atlantis, or Lemuria..... Poly Paul Ellis / Secret Fire Music Synthhtnys@a... Work-in-progress : Appears to Vanish (solo) Member: Dweller at the Threshold http://threshold.opb.org From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 1:13 pm Subject: Re: Hyperborea Okay, this is off topic, but what's the correct pronouciation for 'Vangelis'? - jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Hyperborea > From: Synthhtnys@a... > > In a message dated 1/27/2000 12:07:29 PM !!!First Boot!!!, in6471@w... > writes: > > << From: 'Simon Slator' > > How do you actually pronounce 'Hyperborea'?>> > > *The phonetic pronunciation is High - per - bore- ee - uh > In case you don't know it's a mythical 'Lost Civilization' like Atlantis, > or Lemuria..... > Poly > > Paul Ellis / Secret Fire Music > Synthhtnys@a... > Work-in-progress : Appears to Vanish (solo) > Member: Dweller at the Threshold > http://threshold.opb.org > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Looking for the lowest refinance rate for your mortgage? > GetSmart.com can help. We'll help you find the loan you > need - quick, easy, and FREE click > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: 'Kevin Earley' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 1:12 pm Subject: Re: Saving Live Audio Feeds to One's Hard Drive > From: Steven Feldman > > Hi, > How does one save live audio feeds ('streaming audio') that use > Media Player 6.4? > ... Hi Steve, I suggest trying a shareware program called Total Recorder. Check out http://www.highcriteria.com/products.htm for more information. Kevin Earley kearley@r... np: Moebius - Tonspuren From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 1:41 pm Subject: D:Live [Logos] Dominion London, Thank you for being patient, Please welcome Tangerine Dream...... BAM!!!!!! Left hook....... This album ROCKS....I don't even mind the drum machines.... the first five minutes roll along with a classic TD structure Then we emerge into a whole different sphere where unseen currents shoot you into oceanic depths...... Then at 7:00 minutes, a stately rhythm rises up to bring everything back to earth.... Harpsichords and searing leads played with emotion ..... this is TD sharply focussed.... 11:30 the crowd bursts into applause oblivious to the steamroller that's about to flatten them.....the piece from this point on is in my opinion one of TD's finest, most hair raising moments..... I used to crank this part very loud.... (ok, still do ;-).....WAKE UP!!!!! WAKE UP!!!!! ...... WAKE UP!!!!! Perhaps this is TD's attempt to startle people into a state of illumination..... hip gnosis indeed.... 16:12 ecstatic kaleidoscopes of minimalist bliss open like painfully bright flowers in what I consider the greatest rhythmic feasts they accomplished...(sitting back, in rapture, not writing)....... the rhythms twist and rearrange, and finally dissolve into the typical TD night sky.....31:00 a neon waltz plays innocently, slowly growing darker and more menacing... the sounds are now exploding with energy then the waltz comes back and calms everything down.... 35:00 a strange glurping rhythm emerges it seems to have a strangely new wave feel to it ( you had to have been there) but it seems to have aged better than Midnight in Tula, to my ears anyway.... I'm afraid that 'Dominion' doesn't do much for me..... I like the Rhodes electric piano part, but the snare drum sounds HORRIBLE...... what were they thinking? ahhhh well overall this is one of my favorite albums very alive, vital, and visceral......I applaud along with the crowd at the end.... Poly Paul Ellis / Secret Fire Music Synthhtnys@a... Work-in-progress : Appears to Vanish (solo) Member: Dweller at the Threshold http://threshold.opb.org From: 'Patrik .' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 5:47 pm Subject: Re: Hyperborea Heiko wrote: Anyway, this is the next album to be discussed on the 'D:' week and I'm really looking forward to read some opinions. It seems to me that this one is regarded as the weakest album from the Schmoelling years (1980-85).... Actually when the album was reviewed in one newspaper, they called it 'Hyperboring'. I did everything I could to listen for anything that hinted in another direction. But I didn´t find anything... Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Thomas' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 2:16 pm Subject: D: Live (Logos) Logos - the spoken word... I know there are a couple of other meanings to the word, but this is kind of ironic (not considering the introduction)... ;O) The beginning of Logos builds my expectations up, and lets me know something awsome is about to happen. To me, this is one of the absolute peaks of the Tangerine Dream output. Being played live it still has a 'handmade' feel to it (although I think overdubbings were made on this one, am I right?). The background is what I listen to, and let the details and melodies flow over me like a big ocean white squall. Listening to this album really reminds me of the moods set in the movie 'The Keep' (which has some Logos in it). I don't know anything about the instruments being used to perform the music, and I don't know a thing about who plays what and achieve the different sounds. But I do know this, Logos is one of the albums I can play over and over again and not get tired of. I always seem to discover new details, and the ones I already know merge with the new ones. It's such a long piece of music that it's to me, a music amateur, impossible to remember all of the structures and pieces, so it's an adventure every time. I wish TDI could release 'Sohoman' and 'Soundmill Navigator' in the same style. These both concerts are pretty old, and to try and freshen them up to sound like a 'modern' release is to me a great shame. The music on those discs should reflect the way they performed music in those days. Ooooops, I guess that's a whole other email... ;O) Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 3:49 pm Subject: Re: Hyperborea Jon Anderson (who ought to know) calls him 'Van 'gel' is' with the g sounding as a 'g' not a 'j'...but I have always heard him called 'Van 'j' elis'...so any help? >From: 'Jim Moore' > >Okay, this is off topic, but what's the correct pronouciation for >'Vangelis'? > >- jim >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 8:03 AM >Subject: Re: [tadream] Hyperborea > > >> From: Synthhtnys@a... >> >> In a message dated 1/27/2000 12:07:29 PM !!!First Boot!!!, >in6471@w... >> writes: >> >> << From: 'Simon Slator' >> >> How do you actually pronounce 'Hyperborea'?>> >> >> *The phonetic pronunciation is High - per - bore- ee - uh >> In case you don't know it's a mythical 'Lost Civilization' like Atlantis, >> or Lemuria..... >> Poly >> >> Paul Ellis / Secret Fire Music >> Synthhtnys@a... >> Work-in-progress : Appears to Vanish (solo) >> Member: Dweller at the Threshold >> http://threshold.opb.org >> >> --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- >> >> Looking for the lowest refinance rate for your mortgage? >> GetSmart.com can help. We'll help you find the loan you >> need - quick, easy, and FREE click >> Click Here >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail >tadream-unsubscribe@o... >> Website: http://tadream.copfer.com >> >> What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at >http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! >> >> > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Looking for the lowest refinance rate for your mortgage? >GetSmart.com can help. We'll help you find the loan you >need - quick, easy, and FREE click >Click Here > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > >What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: Attila Gyory Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 4:31 pm Subject: D:Live [Logos] Hi dreamers! Have you noticed, that Logos Part One has two parts, but it takes 1 track on the cd. The second part begins at about 11:54 after the applause. It would be so nice that if I wanted to listen to the second part only, I wouldn't have to sit on the fastforward button of the CD player. Okay, you can say Logos has several parts inside the two tracks. But if you hear an applause, don't you think that the song ended and the boys on the stage will play a new one? Attila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: 'joe shoults' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 4:55 pm Subject: RE: New member wants to join Hey Ray- It's easy to invite others to join us; just send them this URL: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/tadream. joe > -----Original Message----- From: 'Ray' > I would like to introduce a new member to the list, but have forgotten how > this should be done. > Can someone please give instructions in order that I can pass this to the > new 'person'. > From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 6:47 pm Subject: Re : Hyperborea Hi all, Well, this is the first time I've come out of lurk mode as far as reviewing albums is concerned, and I'm going to throw a spanner in the works straight away, by saying that Hyberborea is my favourite album by TD! Why does nobody seem to particularly like this album? I love 'No Man's Land' especially, which is quite simply a perfect track, with several simple but unusual riffs and rhythms layered on top of each other that compliment each other beautifully (just listen to the 'Sound Sampling' for proof). Influenced by Oriental music apparently. It's unfortunate that they've never done this track live as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong (they did the title track at the Valentine Wheels' concert in London though). By the way, does anyone have a complete set list of this concert, because it's very different to the CD? Paul From: 'Thomas' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 8:03 pm Subject: SV: Hyperborea > From: 'Paul Fellows' > > Hi all, > > Well, this is the first time I've come out of lurk mode as far as reviewing > albums is concerned, and I'm going to throw a spanner in the works straight > away, by saying that Hyberborea is my favourite album by TD! Why does > nobody seem to particularly like this album? I love 'No Man's Land' > especially, which is quite simply a perfect track, with several simple but > unusual riffs and rhythms layered on top of each other that compliment each > other beautifully (just listen to the 'Sound Sampling' for proof). > Influenced by Oriental music apparently. It's unfortunate that they've > never done this track live as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong (they > did the title track at the Valentine Wheels' concert in London though). By > the way, does anyone have a complete set list of this concert, because it's > very different to the CD? > > Paul Hey Paul, I'll second your opinion about Hyperborea being a fantastic album. It's one of my favourites too, always has been, and just like yourself I can't understand why more people don't seem to think so. Both the short tracks 'Cinnamon Road' and 'No Man's Land' are nice, sure. But I like the title track and 'Sphinx Lightning' even better. Especially 'Hyperborea' brings me into an almost meditative mood. Some might say it's boring, but I say it's stunningly beautiful. Anybody else feel the same way, but having a hard time 'coming out'? ;o) Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20588 Re: SV: Hyperborea Antonio Nunes Thu 1/27/2000 2 KB 20592 Re: SV: Hyperborea Richard Ford Fri 1/28/2000 2 KB 20728 SV: Hyperborea Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN) Sat 2/5/2000 1 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 9:41 pm Subject: Public Service Announcement For UK list members, Channel 5 is showing FLASHPOINT _this_ Sunday 30th Jan at 9pm. Enjoy! Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20593 Re: Public Service Announcement Richard Ford Fri 1/28/2000 1 KB 22756 Public Service Announcement Lawry Simm Wed 5/31/2000 2 KB 24183 Public Service Announcement Lawry Simm Mon 10/2/2000 2 KB 24211 Re: Public Service Announcement Joel Mullen Wed 10/4/2000 2 KB 24219 Re: Public Service Announcement Lawry Simm Fri 10/6/2000 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 10:27 pm Subject: Re: SV: Hyperborea Thomas wrote: > > Hey Paul, > > I'll second your opinion about Hyperborea being a fantastic album. > It's one of my favourites too, always has been, and just like > yourself I can't understand why more people don't seem to think so. > Both the short tracks 'Cinnamon Road' and 'No Man's Land' are nice, > sure. But I like the title track and 'Sphinx Lightning' even better. > Especially 'Hyperborea' brings me into an almost meditative mood. > Some might say it's boring, but I say it's stunningly beautiful. > Anybody else feel the same way, but having a hard time 'coming out'? ;o) Yes I am, I mean I feel the same way :) If I had to choose only 2 TD albums to listen to on a desert island, I'd choose Tangram and Hyperborea. The album Hyperborea seems to be also a Edgar Froese's favourite, considering that he included the 4 tracks of it in the Tangents box, and he didn't 'tangentize' them too much ;-) Antonio Nunes np: Hyperborea From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 11:47 pm Subject: Ultima Thule (OHR-Release) 10 more rare promo singles HI! Today was christmas for me ;-). A little bit late but I got a lot(!) of urgently wanted promo-singles by Tangerine Dream. So I did some updates on my Tangerine Dream homepage. Go to the news-section and you know what I mean ;-)!!!!! You'll find approx. 20 new disks in the Tangerine Dream -> Originals- section and more than 30-40 scans from labels and covers. Including a Ultima-Thule special page with all scans (front-/backside, lables....). Lot's of new 'stuff' to surf to! (needed 5 hours to do it all). Have a look! Rainer Please look onto my new swap- and wants-page, too. Thank you! --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: SCRIBE1964@a... Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 11:00 pm Subject: Re: D:Live [Logos] In a message dated 01/27/2000 11:32:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, atasoft760209@y... writes: > Have you noticed, that Logos Part One has two parts, > but it takes 1 track on the cd. The second part begins > at about 11:54 after the applause. It would be so nice > that if I wanted to listen to the second part only, I > wouldn't have to sit on the fastforward button of the > CD player. Okay, you can say Logos has several parts > inside the two tracks. But if you hear an applause, > don't you think that the song ended and the boys on > the stage will play a new one? Logos Part One ends at around 25:42, which is where the LP's first side ended. The original CDs were set up that way also, with Logos Part I & II being separate tracks. They're one track on the SBM version , but the CD has a bunch of index points on it (if you're CD player supports indexing). --Scribe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20591 Re: D:Live [Logos] Richard Ford Thu 1/27/2000 2 KB 20629 D:Live [Logos] Joe Shoults Sun 1/30/2000 6 KB 20631 Re: D:Live [Logos] Joe Shoults Sun 1/30/2000 1 KB 20634 Re: D:Live [Logos] Michael A Jean Sun 1/30/2000 1 KB 20635 Re: D:Live [Logos] Gustavo Jobim Sun 1/30/2000 1 KB 20636 Re: D:Live [Logos] Paul Fellows Sun 1/30/2000 3 KB 20637 Re: D:Live [Logos] Carl & Jacqui Kearney Sun 1/30/2000 2 KB 20638 Re: D:Live [Logos] Michael A Jean Mon 1/31/2000 3 KB 20662 D:Live [Logos] Quarlie@a... Tue 2/1/2000 8 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Thu Jan 27, 2000 7:58 pm Subject: Re: D:Live [Logos] In message <20000127163112.24869.qmail@w...>, Attila Gyory writes >From: Attila Gyory > >Hi dreamers! > >Have you noticed, that Logos Part One has two parts, >but it takes 1 track on the cd. The second part begins >at about 11:54 after the applause. It would be so nice >that if I wanted to listen to the second part only, I >wouldn't have to sit on the fastforward button of the >CD player. Okay, you can say Logos has several parts >inside the two tracks. But if you hear an applause, >don't you think that the song ended and the boys on >the stage will play a new one? If you play this CD (original Virgin version) on an older player i.e., Philips CD150, you can access this 2nd track as it is actually indexed. What you do is choose track 1, select index and choose 2. This idea seems to have been dropped by all of the CD player manufactures, and I suspect also the people who master the CD's. Shame as it was a great idea on long pieces. -- Richard Ford From: Richard Ford Date: Fri Jan 28, 2000 12:52 am Subject: Re: SV: Hyperborea >I'll second your opinion about Hyperborea being a fantastic album. It's one of >my favourites too, always has been, and just like yourself I can't understand >why more people don't seem to think so. >Both the short tracks 'Cinnamon Road' and 'No Man's Land' are nice, sure. But I >like the title track and 'Sphinx Lightning' even better. Especially 'Hyperborea' >brings me into an almost meditative mood. Some might say it's boring, but I say >it's stunningly beautiful. > >Anybody else feel the same way, but having a hard time 'coming out'? ;o) No problem coming out for this album, but I was going to wait until next week. We all seem to have gotten a little side tracked. My views on LOGOS: The best live album, and definitely in the top 5 best overall slot. I was lucky to see this show in Oxford. I had been to a couple of concerts before, but NEVER did I expect what I heard that night. Towards the end of the concert people where dancing to Dominion. The best TD concert I have ever been to - and a great album. -- Richard Ford From: Richard Ford Date: Fri Jan 28, 2000 12:47 am Subject: Re: Public Service Announcement In message <000701bf690f$792ecf40$17c822c3@s...>, Lawry Simm writes >From: 'Lawry Simm' > >For UK list members, Channel 5 is showing FLASHPOINT _this_ Sunday >30th Jan at 9pm. I actually like this film... In fact so much I bought it on Laserdisc. shame it's only in mono. -- Richard Ford From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Jan 28, 2000 4:04 am Subject: RE: Hyperborea Thank god some one paid attention in school! MJ > > << From: 'Simon Slator' > > How do you actually pronounce 'Hyperborea'?>> > > *The phonetic pronunciation is High - per - bore- ee - uh > In case you don't know it's a mythical 'Lost Civilization' like Atlantis, > or Lemuria..... > Poly > > Paul Ellis / Secret Fire Music > Synthhtnys@a... > Work-in-progress : Appears to Vanish (solo) > Member: Dweller at the Threshold > http://threshold.opb.org > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Looking for the lowest refinance rate for your mortgage? > GetSmart.com can help. We'll help you find the loan you > need - quick, easy, and FREE click > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: Quarlie@a... Date: Fri Jan 28, 2000 5:22 am Subject: D:Studio [White Eagle] Another great album this week. Er, last week, that is. I'm still out of step with reality. Hey! They correctly identified Johannes Schmoelling! --- 1. Mojave Plan Echoing thumps and clicks, and discordant wails. An unsettling drone sets in, with some synth stabs on top. This goes on for a bit, and then there's that crazy metallic whooshing effect at 2:06. It's hard to describe. Very futuristic. At 2:40 (second movement), everything changes completely. The synth-drums play a mechanical rhythm (actually, most of the rhythms in 'Mojave Plan' remind me of machines or trains), and there's an incredible choral sound over a buzzing sound. I picture something like blue light reflecting from a rotating mirror (how's that for a meaningless and vague mental image?) each the buzz reasserts itself at 2:52, 3:02 and 3:12. Meanwhile, a steadily propulsive sequence has appeared. Echoing clicks like those from the intro appear. 3:48. There's a new sequence entirely, a more upbeat and active one, and a new beat. Every time I blink there's a new layer--a repeating melody over the top (perhaps a sequence), a few synth-string chords, a lead melody. Train/machine evocation continues. It feels sort of like being in an airy room full of smoothly operating grey machinery of uncertain purpose. Whooshes and rolling kick drums start somewhere around 5:40, shortly before the pseudo-guitar part. I believe Armin said this was a PPG Wave in a post to the old UWP list. In any event, it's definitely being played to sound like a guitar (like a solo, in places). There's a nice flutey sound backing it up. No shortage of whooshing, either. Another of those rolling sequences I keep mentioning from review to review appears. The unguitar starts to wail and build up to a climax, and then everything breaks down. After the rolling sequence fades away, we hover around amid the whooshes and crashes for a bit. It sounds a bit like a waterfall. Then at about 10:30 (third movement now) a very trainlike rhythm moves us along. A new bassline starts up, and the drum machine and keyboards return. This part doesn't say much to me, until suddenly at 12:08 a fast, catchy new sequence bursts in, with a long 'zeeow' effect. I can't tell if it's a filter sweep kind of thing or a portamento slide. Or both. Anyway, it sounds cool, and it leads into much crashing and whooshing. There's a strange whirling effect at 12:29 (and a few other places) that was earlier heard in 'Ricochet.' Meanwhile, I'm really liking this sequence. A soft, thoughtful melody arrives at 13:00. The pairing of thumping, clicking machine rhythms and this gentle sound is spine-tingling. Chattering voices, also from 'Ricochet,' bring on the end of this movement at about 15:00. The next one isn't too different, with that soft lead instrument followed by some tension-building chords. It goes on in this vein until an orchestral string section suddenly appears at 18:13 and plays a dramatic sting, and as we approach the 20-minute mark these strings usher in the end of the track. Wow. My favorite track on the album, no question. (Number of times I said 'whoosh' in that description: 5) --- 2. Midnight in Tula This is a short track, but rather unlike any of the ones that characterized the preceding album. It's faster (about 190 BPM, according to MacBPM), less funky and more robotic. There's a lot going on in this one. There are some really catchy keyboard themes, and what sounds like samples of a racquetball ricocheting around the court and off the racquets. That 'whirling' sound I mentioned above is in here too. I also like the reverbed claps from the drum machine. Okay, fine, so it's kind of cheesy, but it's fun. --- 3. Convention of the 24 The track's distinctive sequence is all we hear at first. Various sound effects show up along the way. A very guitarish part appears at about 1:05. I don't know if this is another pseudo-guitar or the real thing, but it sounds quite realistic, and the tune it plays is more in line with Edgar's guitar style than the pseudo-guitar solo in the first track. Unlike the other long track on this album, 'Convention of the 24' doesn't have many different phases. It follows the same template just about all the way through, with only a few exceptions. This makes it very easy to describe. One of the exceptions occurs at about 3:10, when the sequence partially disappears (hmm, was it really a couple sequences at once?) and a flute sound (vaguely 'Remote Viewing'-esque) gets the spotlight. I think the thunderous drum sound from 'Choronzon' shows up in there too. The track returns to its previous form, sequence(s?) intact, at about 4:15. The next major development is yet another sequence added on at about 5:45. And then another one, at about 6:15. This pretty much sums up the track; it consists of slow, driving, hypnotic sequences layered on each other, with random sound effects in the background. I like it, but not as much as the other tracks. --- 4. White Eagle This is another track defined by its sequence, but it's a very different kind of sequence. It's soft, sparkly, and very relaxing, rather than driving and intense. Gentle melodies come and go around it, along with a few samples that were also used in 'Mojave Plan,' and some more of those crashes. I think there's even another Pseudo-Guitar(tm) in there. Unlike 'Midnight in Tula,' which ended at just the right moment, this one could have stood to go on longer. Excellent. Not as good as the sonic voyage that is 'Mojave Plan,' but comparing a 20-minute track to a 4-plus-minute one is unfair. --- It's a really tough call, but this just might be my second-favorite TD album of the '80s ('Logos' provides very stiff competition). Reviewing that one will be fun. --Daniel NP: U2--Achtung Baby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20608 Re: D:Studio [White Eagle] Michael A Jean Sat 1/29/2000 1 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Fri Jan 28, 2000 7:28 am Subject: RE: Hyperborea I'm coming out, Hyperborea has great moments, I think sometimes this album is better than the albums 'underwater sunlight', 'melrose' or 'lily on the beach'. but it changes with the mood I'm in ;-) greetings Bert > Hyberborea is my favourite album by TD! Why does > nobody seem to particularly like this album? I love 'No Man's Land' > especially, which is quite simply a perfect track > Paul > > I'll second your opinion about Hyperborea being a fantastic album. It's > one of my favourites too, always has been, and just like yourself I can't > understand why more people don't seem to think so. > Both the short tracks 'Cinnamon Road' and 'No Man's Land' are nice, sure. > But I like the title track and 'Sphinx Lightning' even better. Especially > 'Hyperborea' brings me into an almost meditative mood. Some might say it's > boring, but I say it's stunningly beautiful. > > Anybody else feel the same way, but having a hard time 'coming out'? ;o) > > Thomas > Helsingborg, Sweden > From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Fri Jan 28, 2000 8:53 am Subject: Re: Hyperborea Thanks, Poly! At least now I know I've been pronouncing it right!!! > *The phonetic pronunciation is High - per - bore- ee - uh > In case you don't know it's a mythical 'Lost Civilization' like Atlantis, > or Lemuria..... > Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: PW098@a... Date: Fri Jan 28, 2000 10:50 am Subject: Re:Optical Race T In a message dated 26/01/00 19:30:55 AUS Eastern Daylight Time, tadream@o... writes: Pete, It is a black T with thick vertical lines and eyeballs. -Bob << >concert and went on a TD buying spree shortly afterward. I still wear the >concert T-shirt but its a little tighter then it used to be (it must have >shrunk!). the white or the black T? Pete Isaacson >> From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri Jan 28, 2000 7:57 am Subject: Pronounciations Hey guys, the only way to spell out pronounciations anywhere close to the 'original' is the phonetic alphabet. The English language uses, compared to others, a relatively limited set of phonems. This makes it realtively easy to learn and speak 'somehow close', but it also leaves most native speakers 'phonetically challenged' when it comes to pronouncing foreign words and names. Add the fact that there are (similar to French, contrary to German) no exact rules to derive pronounciation from spelling. This being a simple fact of life, everybody dealing with native English speakers (Amerikan English is even worse) will, after a very short period of futile resistance, just resign to a pronounciation they can derive from the spelling of the name and remember easily. You can't spell out the German pronounciation of 'Froese' using english syllables. Forget it. You have no words that use the 'oe'-Umlaut. Like German doesn't have a 'th'. So, just use whatever comes close. doesn't twist your tongue and is easily remembered. I'd better add this before it triggers a flame war: This is not a _complaint_ , I'm stating a linguistic fact. This is not about accents Of course, on can learn foreign phonems (often still having an accent), but you can't represent them in syllables of your own language. That's why the phonetic alphabet was developed. Incidentally, it works for the greek pronounciation of Vangelis' first name. 'Bug-Ellis (like in Ellis island)' comes pretty darn close. Don't even think about his last name, though ;-) cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20604 Re: Pronounciations Paul Fellows Fri 1/28/2000 3 KB 20618 Re: Pronounciations Gustavo Jobim Sat 1/29/2000 1 KB From: Derk Date: Fri Jan 28, 2000 12:18 pm Subject: Logos Attila Gyory wrote: >Have you noticed, that Logos Part One has two parts, >but it takes 1 track on the cd. The second part begins >at about 11:54 after the applause. It would be so nice >that if I wanted to listen to the second part only, I >wouldn't have to sit on the fastforward button of the >CD player. What?!?! You actually DARE contemplate SKIPPING parts of Logos?? Sacrilege! ;-) Derk, who has nothing to add to Poly's wonderful desciption of this masterpiece. NP: Klaus Schulze - In Blue Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33975 Logos Art Of Vision Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 33988 Re: Logos zathrus13 Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 33976 Re: Logos Heiko Heerssen Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 33977 Re: Logos TheInfection Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 34012 Re: Logos convention24 Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 34201 Re: Logos Miguel Farah Sun 6/2/2002 3 KB 33978 Re: Logos John Vertical Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 33981 Re: Logos Synthhtnys@a... Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB 33983 Re: Logos Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Fri 5/17/2002 3 KB From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Fri Jan 28, 2000 1:55 pm Subject: Pergamonday Hi Gang, next Monday all 'Pergamon/Quichotte/White cloths/Staatsgrenze West..' fans can join in the chorus...'it was 20 years ago today Ed & Co. tought Berlin how to play!' ..or something like that ;-) This week's work is done and I wish all TD diehards a nice weekend. Heiko From: Nigbur D Date: Fri Jan 28, 2000 2:27 pm Subject: RE: Great Wall Of China T Shirt For Sale What is happening with GWOC then? Is it already available? Dennis > ---------- > From: Jeffrey Au Yeung[SMTP:220Volt@i...] > Reply To: tadream@o... > Sent: 25 January 2000 06:08 > To: tadream > Subject: [tadream] Great Wall Of China T Shirt For Sale > > From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> > > Hello > > I have an XL size Great Wall of China T Shirt which does not fit me, so I > am selling it at US$45, air registered postage included. Any taker? > > Jeffrey > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > _____ > > ONElist Sponsor > Please click above to support our sponsor > > _____ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at > http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: Gabe Yedid Date: Fri Jan 28, 2000 3:52 pm Subject: RE: Great Wall Of China T Shirt For Sale On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Nigbur D wrote: > From: Nigbur D > > What is happening with GWOC then? Is it already available? > > Dennis It most definitely is, I was listening to it this morning...damn fine album if you ask me. It could well be one of TD's best '90s albums, and certainly one of their strongest soundtracks. Gabe From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Fri Jan 28, 2000 5:17 pm Subject: Re : Pronounciations Hi Klaus, Well, as I'm English and I teach English to French people for a living, I think I'm qualified to comment on this subject. I've always pronounced it High - per - bore- ee - uh, but I have to admit that I've frequently wondered if I was pronouncing it correctly, after hearing some other rather fancy pronunciations...and I use a hard 'g' for Vangelis... It's not often I get English lessons from Germans :) By the way, it's spelt 'pronunciations'... Paul >From: Klaus Beschorner > > >Hey guys, the only way to spell out pronounciations anywhere close >to the 'original' is the phonetic alphabet. > >The English language uses, compared to others, a relatively >limited set of phonems. This makes it realtively easy to learn >and speak 'somehow close', but it also leaves most native speakers >'phonetically challenged' when it comes to pronouncing foreign >words and names. Add the fact that there are (similar to French, >contrary to German) no exact rules to derive pronounciation >from spelling. > >This being a simple fact of life, everybody dealing with native >English speakers (Amerikan English is even worse) will, after a very >short period of futile resistance, just resign to a pronounciation >they can derive from the spelling of the name and remember easily. > >You can't spell out the German pronounciation of 'Froese' using >english syllables. Forget it. You have no words that use the >'oe'-Umlaut. Like German doesn't have a 'th'. > >So, just use whatever comes close. doesn't twist your tongue and >is easily remembered. > >I'd better add this before it triggers a flame war: >This is not a _complaint_ , I'm stating a linguistic fact. >This is not about accents >Of course, on can learn foreign phonems (often still having an accent), >but you can't represent them in syllables of your own language. That's >why the phonetic alphabet was developed. > >Incidentally, it works for the greek pronounciation of Vangelis' first >name. 'Bug-Ellis (like in Ellis island)' comes pretty darn close. >Don't even think about his last name, though ;-) > >cheers, >klaus From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Fri Jan 28, 2000 5:33 pm Subject: Re: pronunctere errarum est ? > From: 'Paul Fellows' > ...and I use a hard 'g' for Vangelis... Me too. But that has *absolute* nothing to do with either English or German if I'm not mistaken. ;-) > By the way, it's spelt 'pronunciations'... Does it stem from 'pronunctere' (to pronounce) which is old Latin by any chance, teacher ? ;-) Best Regards Jens From: AOutland@a... Date: Fri Jan 28, 2000 11:24 pm Subject: Re: TD to wake up to???? In a message dated 01/26/2000 2:07:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, joelm@p... writes: << What TD CD and/or track is the best for waking up to. >> We get a lot of thunderstorms here in Florida. The electrical charge will sometimes kick on my CD player in the living room. I can't tell you how many times I was suddenly awakened at, like, 3am to Froese's 'Heatwave City' on Beyond the Storm album. I guarantee you it will wake you bolt upright. And it is a terrific song to get going to actually. 8-) Dell np: Firenze...wow From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 12:33 am Subject: Off subject Hi guys and girls ? Sorry for the off subject blurb but is anyone in the UK going to see YES in Feb either at Manchester or Liverpool ? If so please give me a shout off list Thanks in advance Carl . From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 4:28 am Subject: RE: D:Studio [White Eagle] WHITE EAGLE fans...I have an LP (unfortunately a scracthed one) with some neat picture labels that are similar to the cover of the album (triangle). If anyone is interested please contact me off list. MJ From: Steven Feldman Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 7:01 am Subject: Mann interview re THE KEEP (and TD) in Nov/Dec 1983 FILM COMMENT Hi, I have added another interview with Michael Mann re THE KEEP to my website. Check out http://members.spree.com/molasar/mannartx.html and click on the text for 'Film Comment (Nov/Dec 1983).' Funny observation: in this article, Mann refers to our boy Molasar as having a first name! And get this! It's 'Roderick!' (Oh brother: energy rod; Roderick? Too dorky for *me*!) For thoe who get in a snit whenever I post anything about THE KEEP to this list, here's some obligatory TD content in the form of an actual quote from the interview (are you listening, Scott Plumer?): HK: You're using the music of Tangerine Dream for the film. Why? MM: Because we have a terrific relationship. I think their work 'Thief' was very successful. This music is very different. This is much more melodic, there are different influences. We're using Thomas Tallis, we're using a lot of choirs processed through a vocoder. I've got in my brain maybe seven or eight hours of their music. ^^^^^ 'Maybe seven or eight hours of their music'?!?!? Happy now, infidels? Enjoy the misery of knowing that there's some five or six hours of KEEP music that *none* of us TD fanboys an' -gals has ever heard! X-0 -- Steven Feldman -- unhumble webmaster for the Unofficial Karen Sheperd website; see http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/shepfilm.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20630 Re: Mann interview re THE KEEP (and TD) in Nov/De Joe Shoults Sun 1/30/2000 1 KB From: 'Harri Ikonen' Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 10:53 am Subject: Tango? While browsing a well-known cd retailer's website I came across to a TD double cd called 'Tang-Go', set to release on March 17, 2000. Either this is an error or it's a yet another compilation album put out by some record company. The label id 'BOR' though -- whatever it stands for -- is the same as in regular TD albums (such as GWoC, MP and WaB) so this could actually be a real release. Anybody else heard about this? Anyhow, just the thought of TD playing tango makes me shiver... Regards, Harri Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20613 Re: Tango? Michael A Jean Sat 1/29/2000 2 KB 20617 Re: Tango? Gabe Yedid Sat 1/29/2000 1 KB 20621 Re: Tango? Michael A Jean Sat 1/29/2000 2 KB From: 'Christopher Lomas' Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 11:54 am Subject: Re: D: Logos/Logotypes Seeing as there's a little time left before the Hyperborea discussions begin, I'd be very interested to hear what anyone thinks of Logotypes - assuming any of you have it, and I think that's a pretty safe bet. For instance, in what ways is it similar/different to Logos? - and am I right in thinking that the official Logos release is a condensed version of the music contained on Logotypes? Any info would be greatly appreciated, as would any (offlist) philantropic offers of sales of said boot! Cheers, Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20614 Re: D: Logos/Logotypes Michael A Jean Sat 1/29/2000 2 KB From: 'Thomas' Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 12:26 pm Subject: SV: D: Logos/Logotypes Hi Chris, I remember 'Logotypes' is from rehearsals in studio before the 1982 tour. Which parts of those tapes that are actually played in the concerts I couldn't tell. Hope this helps, Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden > From: 'Christopher Lomas' > > > Seeing as there's a little time left before the Hyperborea discussions > begin, I'd be very interested to hear what anyone thinks of Logotypes - > assuming any of you have it, and I think that's a pretty safe bet. > > For instance, in what ways is it similar/different to Logos? - and am I > right in thinking that the official Logos release is a condensed version of > the music contained on Logotypes? > > Any info would be greatly appreciated, as would any (offlist) philantropic > offers of sales of said boot! > > Cheers, > Chris From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 1:06 pm Subject: RE: Tango? It 'sounds' like a title that TD would have come up with! ;^) > -----Original Message----- > From: Harri Ikonen [mailto:harri.ikonen@s...] > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 4:53 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Tango? > > > From: 'Harri Ikonen' > > While browsing a well-known cd retailer's website I came across to > a TD double cd called 'Tang-Go', set to release on March 17, 2000. > Either this is an error or it's a yet another compilation album put > out by some record company. The label id 'BOR' though -- whatever > it stands for -- is the same as in regular TD albums (such as GWoC, > MP and WaB) so this could actually be a real release. Anybody else > heard about this? > > Anyhow, just the thought of TD playing tango makes me shiver... > > Regards, > Harri > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 1:06 pm Subject: RE: D: Logos/Logotypes I always assumed that it was from studio rehearsals for the 82 tour....I don't know where I got that idea, but thats what I always thought... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Lomas [mailto:chrislomas@h...] > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:54 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Logos/Logotypes > > > From: 'Christopher Lomas' > > > Seeing as there's a little time left before the Hyperborea discussions > begin, I'd be very interested to hear what anyone thinks of Logotypes - > assuming any of you have it, and I think that's a pretty safe bet. > > For instance, in what ways is it similar/different to Logos? - and am I > right in thinking that the official Logos release is a condensed > version of > the music contained on Logotypes? > > Any info would be greatly appreciated, as would any (offlist) > philantropic > offers of sales of said boot! > > Cheers, > Chris > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Looking for the lowest refinance rate for your mortgage? > GetSmart.com can help. We'll help you find the loan you > need - quick, easy, and FREE click > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 2:26 pm Subject: Re: Logotypes Christopher Lomas wrote: > > Seeing as there's a little time left before the Hyperborea discussions > begin, I'd be very interested to hear what anyone thinks of Logotypes - > assuming any of you have it, and I think that's a pretty safe bet. > > For instance, in what ways is it similar/different to Logos? - and am I > right in thinking that the official Logos release is a condensed version of > the music contained on Logotypes? The following text is supposed to be an excerpt from the Logotypes liner notes. I can't verify it because I don't have the 'original' boot, but anyway it might answer to a few of Christopher's questions. » This disc was taken from a soundboard cassette of the rehearsals for the 1982 fall tour. The first track contains over 20 minutes of material not available elswhere. The second track begins midway through 'Mojave Plan', and ends after the second theme from 'Logos Part B', here called 'Descent Into Madness'. All track titles are my 'impressions' of the theme except where a real title exists. All flows in the material are present on the cassette: hiss, flutter ('Renewed Purpose'), dropouts (the first 5 minutes of 'Mojave Plan' were unusable) and edits ('The Keep'). The remaining 10 minutes of the second set were edited due to space limitations.« Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33991 Logotypes Morgan Feldon Fri 5/17/2002 3 KB 33993 Re: Logotypes Dennis Nigbur Fri 5/17/2002 2 KB From: horrod6@n... Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 4:24 pm Subject: Music to wake up to Music to wake up to: I'd agree with Attila - Cinnamon Road, for a nice positive start to the day. For love-making I'd go for 3 a.m. at the borders of the marsh.. (on a continuous loop, of course!) Vic reckons that's a good one to wake up to - does this tell us something about the different desires of men and women, or just Vic and me? Marion P.S. Frank A : if you've ever been to a TD concert you must know that women fans are a tiny minority. I think I'm one of about three on this list, but I'm usually in 'lurk' mode. P.P.S. Al, as a fellow back sufferer you have all my sympathy. Perhaps you should spend less time ROFL? P.P.P.S. Etymology corner: Hyper - over, Boreas - North Wind. Hence a name for the mythical ever-sunlit country at the back of the North Wind. Hyperborean is also used as a term for people from the extreme North - like the Scots. (I pronounce it 'high per bu ree ah' with the stress on the 'high' and the 'ree', incidentally, but I don't make any claims that this is 'correct'.) np: Carlos Nunez - Brotherhood of Stars (apologies to anybody called Nunez for the lack of accents on that.) From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 5:31 pm Subject: Re: Tango? On Sat, 29 Jan 2000, Harri Ikonen wrote: > From: 'Harri Ikonen' > Anyhow, just the thought of TD playing tango makes me shiver... Well, they did give us Dream Mixes...time for an album of more traditionally oriented dance music, I say! Bring on 'Touchwood (Buenos Aires Blues Mix)'!! ;) ;) ;) > Regards, > Harri Gabe From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 5:36 pm Subject: Re: Re : Pronounciations >I've always pronounced it High - per - bore- ee - uh, but I have to admit >that I've frequently wondered if I was pronouncing it correctly, after >hearing some other rather fancy pronunciations...and I use a hard 'g' for >Vangelis... I always called Hyperborea like Hiperbórea, which is the portuguese version of the word. It's more or less like E - per - boh (open o) (stressed syllable) - ri - ah (open a). It's similar to 'High - per - bore- ee - uh'. Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 5:40 pm Subject: German 'Froese' pronunciation >>You can't spell out the German pronounciation of 'Froese' using >>english syllables. Forget it. You have no words that use the >>'oe'-Umlaut. Like German doesn't have a 'th'. By the way, what's the right German pronunciation of 'Froese'? I always called him the way I hear in the beginning of Poland, like 'froeze' with the oe like something between O and E. Is that right? Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20620 Re: German 'Froese' pronunciation Gabe Yedid Sat 1/29/2000 2 KB 20622 Re: German 'Froese' pronunciation Sean Montgomery Sat 1/29/2000 1 KB 20623 Re: German 'Froese' pronunciation Carl & Jacqui Kearney Sat 1/29/2000 1 KB 20645 Re: German 'Froese' pronunciation Nigbur D Mon 1/31/2000 2 KB 20649 Re: German 'Froese' pronunciation Antonio Nunes Mon 1/31/2000 1 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 5:50 pm Subject: Re: German 'Froese' pronunciation On Sat, 29 Jan 2000, Gustavo Jobim wrote: > From: Gustavo Jobim > > >>You can't spell out the German pronounciation of 'Froese' using > >>english syllables. Forget it. You have no words that use the > >>'oe'-Umlaut. Like German doesn't have a 'th'. > > By the way, what's the right German pronunciation of 'Froese'? I always > called him the way I hear in the beginning of Poland, like 'froeze' with > the oe like something between O and E. Is that right? Actually, the pronunciation can vary depending on where in Germany you're from. ;) We have a new postdoc from Germany who started working in our lab not long ago, and he's from the far southwestern part (South Baden). He is aware of TD, and he pronounces the name 'froy-zeh'. > Gustavo F. Jobim Gabe From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 8:56 pm Subject: RE: Tango? Maybe they named it after that UK softdrink! hahaha > -----Original Message----- > From: Harri Ikonen [mailto:harri.ikonen@s...] > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 4:53 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Tango? > > > From: 'Harri Ikonen' > > While browsing a well-known cd retailer's website I came across to > a TD double cd called 'Tang-Go', set to release on March 17, 2000. > Either this is an error or it's a yet another compilation album put > out by some record company. The label id 'BOR' though -- whatever > it stands for -- is the same as in regular TD albums (such as GWoC, > MP and WaB) so this could actually be a real release. Anybody else > heard about this? > > Anyhow, just the thought of TD playing tango makes me shiver... > > Regards, > Harri > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 9:09 pm Subject: Re: German 'Froese' pronunciation > By the way, what's the right German pronunciation of 'Froese'? Didn't we have this discussion last year? Anyway, I used to say it 'fro-zuh', but now I'm under the impression that it's more like frur-zeh. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 11:08 pm Subject: Re: German 'Froese' pronunciation ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Sean Montgomery' To: Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] German 'Froese' pronunciation > From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > By the way, what's the right German pronunciation of 'Froese'? > > Didn't we have this discussion last year? Anyway, I used to say it > 'fro-zuh', but now I'm under the impression that it's more like > frur-zeh. > I think we need the help of an expert , Over to you Jens !! Carl / From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 10:47 pm Subject: Wake up! >well, of course it has to be Logos Part 1e, with the 'Wake up!' sample. >joe Wake up? Is this in the Logos album? Where? Is it the sound at around 15:00? Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 1:09 am Subject: OT: The Tune Hello folks I received some interesting comments on the Cacophony. Thanks! I just finished the second track, entitled simply 'The Tune'. It's a catchy tune, not another cacophony :), but I think it still lacks some sophistication 'cause I'm still learning how to use Fast Tracker. The XM version is 73 Kbytes zipped. I won't make a MP3 version this time because it would be almost 2 MB long, it's such a waste of space. I suggest you download Winamp (www.winamp.com), it's freeware and it plays all major sound formats, and it supports MP3 streams too. And it's smaller than 1 MB. I'll upload The Tune to our list's file directory - http://www.onelist.com/files/tadream. My family is having some troubles regarding money - I mean, the lack of it -, and they changed the ISP password, so now I'm only allowed to use the net in the weekends, when it's cheaper. As a result, I won't be able to send you the file personally after Monday. Oh, well. :) regards, Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20626 OT: The Tune Gustavo Jobim Sun 1/30/2000 1 KB 20643 Re: OT: The Tune Bert.Hulshoff@N... Mon 1/31/2000 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 1:35 am Subject: OT: The Tune Just to let you know that I'll delete the Cacophony from the server to upload The Tune. Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 1:58 am Subject: pronunciation talk Hey, speaking of pronunciation... What's the right way of saying 'Kraftwerk'? I got used to say kraft'work', but I've heard many times kraft'veh'rk, it seems this is the right pronunciation. Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 2:12 am Subject: Tadream.Copfer Hello everyone I'm surfing the Tadream.Copfer site, and what a nice image on the top of the site! And interesting fact: our last discussion week - gwoc - begins exactly in my 18th birthday! Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 7:00 am Subject: D:Live [Logos] Logos for me is an album of diversity and contrasts, with melodies and rhythms ranging from the rich and flowing Logos Part 1c, evoking an almost baroque feeling, to the classic dark Berlin School rhythmic Logos Part 1a, to upbeat synth-pop rhythms. This live album is comprised of two tracks- one long, one short. The long track, Logos, is comprised of 10 distinct shifts; the second track, Dominion, is 5:44. For reference, I have separated these into alphanumeric designations. Where times overlap, the music does, too. Intro (0:00-0:17) 'Dominion London, thank you for being patient. Please welcome... Tangerine Dream!' (Does anybody know who this is?) Logos Part 1a (0:17-4:30) This passage starts slowly and builds to a rhythmic, metallic, driving pulsing beat that reminds me of a march- not in the traditional, musical sense, but in a sort of 'march of the robots' kinda way. Relentless, driving, but not in any particular hurry. At 4:10 a slow, meandering bridge starts to take it into 1b and 1a leaves at 4:30. Logos Part 1b (4:10-6:46) Kinda reminds me of Cedar Breaks from Goblins Club at the beginning: formless and void, yet having substance, a kind of tactile sound that comes from everywhere, but nowhere. But while Cedar Breaks is mournful and melancholy, Logos 1b is downright ethereal. Logos Part 1c (6:46-11:50) One of my absolute favorite pieces of music of any album anywhere, steady and slow, it evokes a very classical feeling, with sounds like harpsichords, coronets, flutes, that almost sing like voices. A majestically beautiful main melody that doesn't repeat too many times. Just really beautiful stuff. Logos Part 2a (11:40-13:20, but kinda goes on until 14:51) A gentle, drifting, atmospheric piece that has 'space' written all over it. But at 13:20, the pipe organ begins to jump into the minor keys and prepare you for the dangerous path into the next song... Logos Part 2b (13:20-20:17) Distinguished by the 'Wake up!' and group-shouting 'Ahh!' samples and its prominent use of heavy, ominous-sounding minor chords, I think it is supposed to be a call from Ed urging people to “wake up” regarding nuclear armaments, but perhaps someone else can clarify further on that (or is that not 2b?). A matter-of-fact, straightforward echoed-bass drum drives this one until a key change at 16:10 allows it to bring in an the beginning of the underlying theme that permeates the next portion of this passage- evolving at 17:30 into a variation of the plinky rhythmic sound that was in the background of 'Love on a Real Train' (LOART) from Risky Business (LOART persists through Logos Parts 2c and 2d). 2b continues on here without a lot of change until 19:15, when the 'Ah!' guys come back for one last hurrah before several sequences shut out, suddenly come back, then fade out slowly, leaving only the LOART theme remaining at 20:10, leaving an opening for the next major passage, Logos Part 2c (20:17-25:45) Another of this album’s strong points. Characterized by heavy, cascading, repeating bass tones, with an overlay of a strong melody played by rolling-note trumpet sound with an almost voice-like singing quality, similar to Logos 1c, though with a slightly less edgy filter. I love the rolling drums that start to pop in and out at 23:35 and come back for a good thrashing at 24:00. Instruments are trimmed off one by one, and the structure of the song devolves into nothingness. Until... Logos Part 2d (25:45-30:19) ...a persistent low hum provides the backdrop to industrial, metallic clangs that leap out at you, then takes you into another mysterious, spooky, spacey feeling that makes me think of a places where little kids shouldn't play. The clangs come and go, with wispy whooshes, bat-like sounds and “almostvoices”. A flute-ish instrument in the minor key adds emphasis to the ominous subwoofer-rattling undertone… until a bright voice breaks the mood like drops on a still pond... Logos Part 2e (30:19 – 35:20) At exactly 30:19, a warbly, heavily echoed flute pierces the At first sounds kinda like plucking a guitar string with paper stuck between the strings over a monotonous bassline. Then cowbells or pipes, then plinky, then a flute in a minor key that would make a dog turn its head sideways, then a harpsichord, then a trumpet, an oboe... It’s a fugue. All the notes are staccato. Parts of it remind me of how the LOART theme might sound slowed down. Logos Part 2f (35:20 – 42:15) This is the only weak part of Logos, IMHO. I’m no Scrooge, but this part is just a little too happy-go-lucky early '80s for me. A little too disco-ey, or maybe not disco-ey, but synthpop big hair '80s kinda stuff. This continues on for about 7 minutes with very little evolution until a whoosh sweeps in and mercifully takes me away to... Logos Part 2g (42:15 – 44:48) This has a slow beat like in Part 1c. A brassy instrument starts it off an opening melody-of-chords, then a bouncy harpsichordy rhythm steps in for a while until it takes a backseat to the strings, which completely become the main voice and build to a crescendo. The ending sounds like the echo of a gunshot in the desert. Wow. What a tune of tunes. TD at one of their highest peaks. Great choice for a live album. I'm sorry I didn't get to see TD for the first time until the following tour. Track 2: Dominion. Was this named 'Dominion' because it was a improvisation, made there on the spot at the Dominion Theater? Was it an encore? Anyway, Dominion is not my cup of tea, unlike almost all the rest of the album. To poppy, too predictable. Auuggh! I just went to get Logostype to compare it to Logos, and it's gone! This review was going to compare them, but I must have lent it out to someone. I guess this review will have to be 'to be continued'... joe From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 7:14 am Subject: RE: Mann interview re THE KEEP (and TD) in Nov/Dec 1983 FILM COMMENT Steve- Keep on posting Keep stuff; don't let anybody Keep you from it. We'd like to Keep you as our Keep guru. Keep up the good work! Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Feldman [mailto:ar402004@B...] > For thoe who get in a snit whenever I post anything about THE KEEP > to this list, here's some obligatory TD content in the form of an actual > quote from the interview (are you listening, Scott Plumer?): From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 7:34 am Subject: RE: D:Live [Logos] oops. I broke Logos down wrong, then. It should be Logos Parts 1 a-f, then Logos Parts 2 a-d. joe > -----Original Message----- > From: SCRIBE1964@a... [mailto:SCRIBE1964@a...] ... > Logos Part One ends at around 25:42, which is where the LP's first side > ended. From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 11:32 am Subject: Vanishing I have a large number of friends on the net and no time to contact them individually, so please excuse the personal nature of this post... Due to major changes in my life, I will be unavailable for an indefinite period of time... If you need to contact me you can through the Dweller at the Threshold website (E-mail Dweller, not my personal address.) at http://threshold.opb.org... A special thanks to my wonderful online friends ... I'll be back.... Paul Ellis From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 11:48 am Subject: Discussion Week 20 - Sunday 30th January 2000 This week is our first dual discussion week. Both the soundtracks 'Risky Business' and 'Wavelength' are up for discussion. Please make your subject read 'D:Soundtrack [Risky Business]' or 'D:Soundtrack [Wavelength]' as appropriate. And don't forget, UK readers, that Flashpoint is on Channel 5 tonight at 9pm. (the Flashpoint discussion is 4 weeks away...) Regards, Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 4:04 pm Subject: RE: D:Live [Logos] > > Intro (0:00-0:17) > 'Dominion London, thank you for being patient. Please > welcome... Tangerine > Dream!' (Does anybody know who this is?) > DJ John Peel I believe...I think he also did the Shepard's Bush 96 show... MJ be@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 9:41 pm Subject: RE: D:Live [Logos] >> From: SCRIBE1964@a... [mailto:SCRIBE1964@a...] >... >> Logos Part One ends at around 25:42, which is where the LP's first side >> ended. >From: 'Joe Shoults' > >oops. I broke Logos down wrong, then. It should be Logos Parts 1 a-f, then >Logos Parts 2 a-d. > >joe I think Logos part 1 should end with the applause after around 10 minutes of music. It seems you broke it in that way. That applause in the middle of the song sounds strange. Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 10:11 pm Subject: Re : D:Live [Logos] Hi Michael, I hate to disagree with you, but I'd know John Peel's voice anywhere, I listened to his radio show a lot when I was a teenager (ah, those were the days, when I heard 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert' for the first time!) and I can assure you it's not him. Probably just an employee of the Dominion. I don't know if John went on stage for the other gig, but it's pretty sure that he was in the audience (he usually goes to see them when they play in London), he was at the 'Valentine Wheels' gig when Edgar thanked him for his 'services to Tangerine Dream'! Paul ---------- >De : 'Michael A Jean' >À : >Objet : RE: [tadream] D:Live [Logos] >Date : Dim 30 jan 2000 17:04 > >From: 'Michael A Jean' > >> >> Intro (0:00-0:17) >> 'Dominion London, thank you for being patient. Please >> welcome... Tangerine >> Dream!' (Does anybody know who this is?) >> > >DJ John Peel I believe...I think he also did the Shepard's Bush 96 show... > >MJ > > > >be@o... >> Website: http://tadream.copfer.com >> >> What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find >> out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! >> >> > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Looking for the lowest refinance rate for your mortgage? >GetSmart.com can help. We'll help you find the loan you >need - quick, easy, and FREE click >Click Here > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail >tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > >What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at >http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 11:03 pm Subject: Re: D:Live [Logos] ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Fellows' To: Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 10:11 PM Subject: Re : [tadream] D:Live [Logos] > From: 'Paul Fellows' > > Hi Michael, > > I hate to disagree with you, but I'd know John Peel's voice anywhere, I > listened to his radio show a lot when I was a teenager (ah, those were the > days, when I heard 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert' for the first time!) and I > can assure you it's not him. Probably just an employee of the Dominion. I > don't know if John went on stage for the other gig, but it's pretty sure > that he was in the audience (he usually goes to see them when they play in > London), he was at the 'Valentine Wheels' gig when Edgar thanked him for his > 'services to Tangerine Dream'! > > Paul > ---------- Your dead right Paul is was not John ( the god ) Peel , I was there. I don't think it was anyone of great standing just an announcer from the theatre as you said , mind you I was heavily under the influence at the time so may be mistaken about the great standing bit , but definitely not John Peel . Best regards Carl . From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 4:06 am Subject: RE: D:Live [Logos] OK...I am in error then....I don't need any more convincing... > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl & Jacqui Kearney > [mailto:carl-jacqui@k...] > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 5:04 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [Logos] > > > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Paul Fellows' > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 10:11 PM > Subject: Re : [tadream] D:Live [Logos] > > > > From: 'Paul Fellows' > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > I hate to disagree with you, but I'd know John Peel's voice anywhere, I > > listened to his radio show a lot when I was a teenager (ah, > those were the > > days, when I heard 'Drunken Mozart in the Desert' for the first > time!) and > I > > can assure you it's not him. Probably just an employee of the Dominion. > I > > don't know if John went on stage for the other gig, but it's pretty sure > > that he was in the audience (he usually goes to see them when > they play in > > London), he was at the 'Valentine Wheels' gig when Edgar thanked him for > his > > 'services to Tangerine Dream'! > > > > Paul > > ---------- > Your dead right Paul is was not John ( the god ) Peel , I was there. I > don't think it was anyone of great standing just an announcer from the > theatre as you said , mind you I was heavily under the influence > at the time > so may be mistaken about the great standing bit , but definitely not John > Peel . > Best regards Carl . > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Looking for the lowest refinance rate for your mortgage? > GetSmart.com can help. We'll help you find the loan you > need - quick, easy, and FREE click > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: PENFOLD Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 4:54 am Subject: Re : Hyperborea At 2000.01.27 x 10:47, Paul Fellows wrote: >Well, this is the first time I've come out of lurk mode as far as reviewing >albums is concerned, and I'm going to throw a spanner in the works straight >away, by saying that Hyberborea is my favourite album by TD! Why does >nobody seem to particularly like this album? I love 'No Man's Land' >especially, which is quite simply a perfect track, with several simple but >unusual riffs and rhythms layered on top of each other that compliment each >other beautifully This's my fave track. Although the Tangentized version is a nice brush up of an older piece, at the expense of some of the subtleties of the older version. >Influenced by Oriental music apparently. I would put it more as a Middle Eastern Dobro. I get visions of the desert when I listen to this piece. Pete Isaacson Saw copy of _The Keep_ LP, held it in his hands, but didn't have the $ DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese , on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Chris Richards Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 8:56 am Subject: Re:Dominion Dominion was indeed the third of the three encores at the Logos concert. At least, it is on the tape I have, which I believe is actually the afternoon concert (I think someone said the album itself is from the evening concert). I forget what the first two encores are, but Dominion is the last thing on the tape. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Death Before Dishonour Dishonour Before Disco __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 12:56 pm Subject: Re: Pronounciation I remember having a debate with my friend as to how 'Vangelis' is actually pronounced. I'd always pronounced it as read (Van-gellis), but my friend always said it was a more Greek sounding pronounciation of 'Van-jel-eez'. We just agreed to disagree! I would avoid confusion by simply calling him 'Van The Man' - but that nickname's already taken by Van Morrison. Oh - who cares! We know who we're talking about no matter how we pronounce it!!! Simon Original Message: Hey guys, the only way to spell out pronounciations anywhere close to the 'original' is the phonetic alphabet. The English language uses, compared to others, a relatively limited set of phonems. This makes it realtively easy to learn and speak 'somehow close', but it also leaves most native speakers 'phonetically challenged' when it comes to pronouncing foreign words and names. Add the fact that there are (similar to French, contrary to German) no exact rules to derive pronounciation from spelling. This being a simple fact of life, everybody dealing with native English speakers (Amerikan English is even worse) will, after a very short period of futile resistance, just resign to a pronounciation they can derive from the spelling of the name and remember easily. You can't spell out the German pronounciation of 'Froese' using english syllables. Forget it. You have no words that use the 'oe'-Umlaut. Like German doesn't have a 'th'. So, just use whatever comes close. doesn't twist your tongue and is easily remembered. I'd better add this before it triggers a flame war: This is not a _complaint_ , I'm stating a linguistic fact. This is not about accents Of course, on can learn foreign phonems (often still having an accent), but you can't represent them in syllables of your own language. That's why the phonetic alphabet was developed. Incidentally, it works for the greek pronounciation of Vangelis' first name. 'Bug-Ellis (like in Ellis island)' comes pretty darn close. Don't even think about his last name, though ;-) cheers, klaus [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'koulos_' Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 12:53 pm Subject: machine test well i am going to buy some audio machine [a amplifier and speakers ] and i am wonderng what track or part of track made by TD would be a good onw in order to check what the macines sound like any help is more than welcome yours koulos from athens np-poland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20652 Re: machine test Carl & Jacqui Kearney Mon 1/31/2000 1 KB 20655 Re: machine test John Marchington Tue 2/1/2000 2 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 9:00 am Subject: RE: OT: The Tune Hello , are there other 'trackers' out there ? It would be nice to know some trackers who like TD or Schulze too. Bert aka Phrozenlight my Homepage http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/PhrozenLight/ (still under construction) please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-) > my home-email phrozenlight@z... > > > > ---------- > From: Gustavo Jobim[SMTP:gustavfj@m...] > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 02:09 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] OT: The Tune > > From: Gustavo Jobim > > Hello folks > > I received some interesting comments on the Cacophony. Thanks! > > I just finished the second track, entitled simply 'The Tune'. It's a > catchy > tune, not another cacophony :), but I think it still lacks some > sophistication 'cause I'm still learning how to use Fast Tracker. > > The XM version is 73 Kbytes zipped. I won't make a MP3 version this time > because it would be almost 2 MB long, it's such a waste of space. I > suggest > you download Winamp (www.winamp.com), it's freeware and it plays all major > sound formats, and it supports MP3 streams too. And it's smaller than 1 > MB. > > I'll upload The Tune to our list's file directory - > http://www.onelist.com/files/tadream. My family is having some troubles > regarding money - I mean, the lack of it -, and they changed the ISP > password, so now I'm only allowed to use the net in the weekends, when > it's > cheaper. As a result, I won't be able to send you the file personally > after > Monday. Oh, well. :) > > regards, > > Gustavo F. Jobim > gustavfj@m... > gustavofj@h... > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Looking for the lowest refinance rate for your mortgage? > GetSmart.com can help. We'll help you find the loan you > need - quick, easy, and FREE click > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at > http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: James.Owens@H... Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 4:00 pm Subject: Mars Polar Lander (slightly off-topic) Hi all, Some positive news about Mars Polar lander: They've detected weak signals that they think are from the lander. For more info see: http://space.com/space/mpl-sr.html Interestingly enough, NASA has asked the Dutch to help in the search. All you Netherlands folk should be proud. :) James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20653 Re: Mars Polar Lander (slightly off-topic) Carl & Jacqui Kearney Mon 1/31/2000 1 KB 20654 Re: Mars Polar Lander (slightly off-topic) Marcel Engels Mon 1/31/2000 1 KB From: Nigbur D Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 5:51 pm Subject: RE: German 'Froese' pronunciation It's time one of the German list members with the necessary digital equipment uploaded a sample on one of their web pages, just of themselves saying 'Froese'. The comment that you cannot capture German pronunciation in English spelling is valid. My best attempt would be to say that the 'oe' in Froese sounds a bit like the 'o' in earthwOrm, and the '-se' like the 'xe' in 'XEnophobia'. But this still doesn't quite hit the nail on the head, obviously. Dennis > ---------- > From: Sean Montgomery[SMTP:sean@t...] > Reply To: tadream@o... > Sent: 29 January 2000 21:09 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] German 'Froese' pronunciation > > From: Sean Montgomery > > > > > By the way, what's the right German pronunciation of 'Froese'? > > Didn't we have this discussion last year? Anyway, I used to say it > 'fro-zuh', but now I'm under the impression that it's more like > frur-zeh. > > > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > _____ > > ONElist Sponsor > Please click above to support our sponsor > > _____ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at > http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: 'Todd and Julie Tornow' Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 2:12 am Subject: First Five Albums Greetings: In response to some questions, I responded to a question in reguards to what everyone's opinion of Zeit was (sorry for the bad English). I went negative on Zeit and Electronic Meditation. I do like some of the music from the first five albums. I never heard anything from Atem, therefore, I do not have an opinion. I liked what I heard on Alpha Centauri and Green Desert. However, on Green Desert, I prefer side two over side one. Todd ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20704 Re: First Five Albums F. H. Dumay Fri 2/4/2000 1 KB 20709 Re: First Five Albums TOMX01@a... Fri 2/4/2000 1 KB From: 'Todd and Julie Tornow' Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 2:37 am Subject: Turn of the Tides Greetings: I just bought Turn of the Tides. Is it my immagination, or does it sound a bit depressing? Todd ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20651 Re: Turn of the Tides Sean Montgomery Mon 1/31/2000 1 KB 21042 Re: Turn of the Tides Todd Tornow Mon 2/28/2000 2 KB 21057 Re: Turn of the Tides Szatmari, Pal Tue 2/29/2000 2 KB 30148 Turn of the Tides Scott Fri 11/16/2001 2 KB 30149 Re: Turn of the Tides tom807@a... Fri 11/16/2001 2 KB 30150 Re: Turn of the Tides rubyconist@y... Sat 11/17/2001 2 KB 30179 Re: Turn of the Tides Armin Theissen Mon 11/19/2001 2 KB 30151 Re: Turn of the Tides Dennis Nigbur Sat 11/17/2001 3 KB 30165 Re: Turn of the Tides gmroger@p... Sun 11/18/2001 2 KB From: 'Todd and Julie Tornow' Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 2:38 am Subject: Mars Polaris Got it. Love it. Enough Said! Todd ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21555 Mars Polaris David Foster Sat 4/1/2000 2 KB 22153 Mars Polaris Synthhtnys@a... Mon 4/24/2000 2 KB 24924 Mars Polaris Frank Arellano Thu 11/9/2000 2 KB 24925 Re: Mars Polaris Jared White Thu 11/9/2000 2 KB 24926 Re: Mars Polaris Feldon Feldon Thu 11/9/2000 5 KB 24927 Re: Mars Polaris Jared White Thu 11/9/2000 4 KB 24935 Re: Mars Polaris Feldon Feldon Thu 11/9/2000 4 KB 24963 Re: Mars Polaris PENFOLD Fri 11/10/2000 2 KB 24937 Re: Mars Polaris Joe Shoults Thu 11/9/2000 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 8:05 pm Subject: Re: German 'Froese' pronunciation Nigbur D wrote: > > It's time one of the German list members with the necessary digital > equipment uploaded a sample on one of their web pages, just of themselves > saying 'Froese'. The comment that you cannot capture German pronunciation in > English spelling is valid. OK, I'm not German but I have a recording of a native German saying 'Jerome Froese'. I've just uploaded it to the shared files area of tadream. Enjoy. I have also a recording of Vangelis pronouncing his own name, but I think it would be off-topic to upload there. Let me just say that Simon Slator is right and his friend is wrong :-) Antonio Nunes From: 'Thomas' Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 8:27 pm Subject: SV: machine test I would say 'Cyclone' and 'Force Majeure' since they both provide good driving bass rhythms, details loaded with energy and also a lot of midrange sounds (which is the most important part to sound good if you ask me). Other than those the new TDI CDs sound pretty good, although somewhat cold and harsh, but if you can make those sound good, then you probably have a singing system. Hope this helps, Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden > From: 'koulos_' > > well i am going to buy some audio machine [a amplifier and speakers ] and i am wonderng what track or part of track made by TD would be a good onw in order to check what the macines sound like > > any help is more than welcome > > yours > koulos from athens > > np-poland From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 8:40 pm Subject: Re: Turn of the Tides > I just bought Turn of the Tides. > > Is it my immagination, or does it sound a bit depressing? It depressed me at the time I first heard it, but that was because they had stooped to aping Supertramp on 'Galley Slave's Horizon' and Enya on the title track. Not one of the band's finer releases, in my opinion. The Dream Mixes versions of the tracks from ToTT are much much better. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 10:25 pm Subject: Re: machine test ----- Original Message ----- From: 'koulos_' To: Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 12:53 PM Subject: [tadream] machine test > From: 'koulos_' > > well i am going to buy some audio machine [a amplifier and speakers ] and i am wonderng what track or part of track made by TD would be a good onw in order to check what the macines sound like > > any help is more than welcome > > yours > koulos from athens > > np-poland Hi Koulos I personaly would be sure to pick something with lots of base, you dont want buzzing speakers when listening to TD. If you have it try What a Blast or Tangram any I think will sufice . Best regards Carl ' Orch ' From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 10:27 pm Subject: Re: Mars Polar Lander (slightly off-topic) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 4:00 PM Subject: [tadream] Mars Polar Lander (slightly off-topic) > From: James.Owens@H... > > Hi all, > > Some positive news about Mars Polar lander: They've detected weak signals that they think are > from the lander. For more info see: > http://space.com/space/mpl-sr.html > > Interestingly enough, NASA has asked the Dutch to help in the search. All you Netherlands > folk should be proud. :) > James are you trying to say all the Dutch live on Mars ??????? LOL . Sorry I couldn't resist. ' Orch ' From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 11:17 pm Subject: RE: Mars Polar Lander (slightly off-topic) > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > > Interestingly enough, NASA has asked the Dutch to help in the > search. All > you Netherlands > > folk should be proud. :) > > > James are you trying to say all the Dutch live on Mars ??????? LOL . > Sorry I couldn't resist. ' Orch ' Hahaha...yes. Why else do you think my name is Mars... But seriously yes I heard something about it on the radio about asking 'us' to help. Don't know exactly with what though. I believe some parts are from some universities over here (TU Delft?) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 12:19 am Subject: Re: machine test All the recent TDI albums sound pretty spectacular, although sometimes I feel that the actual levels on the discs are a bit excessive so don't set the volume up too high. Most of the Virgin discs sound excellent, too -- especially the studio-based ones. Personally, if you're after just one disc, I think I'd choose 'Underwater Sunlight'. Others might feel differently, though. Good luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: koulos_ To: Sent: Tuesday, 1 February 2000 01:53 Subject: [tadream] machine test > From: 'koulos_' > > well i am going to buy some audio machine [a amplifier and speakers ] and i am wonderng what track or part of track made by TD would be a good onw in order to check what the macines sound like > > any help is more than welcome > > yours > koulos from athens > > np-poland > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Books, music, auctions and more! Amazon.com. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: AOutland@a... Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 1:27 am Subject: Re: THE KEEP In a message dated 01/30/2000 2:15:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, shoults@s... writes: << From: 'Joe Shoults' Steve- Keep on posting Keep stuff; don't let anybody Keep you from it. >> I agree. It has always been interesting to me to hear about the latest detail you have managed to track down. At least it's on topic. And now I have a question to pose. Steve insists that he held The Keep cassette in his hands while TD insists it was never released. If the latter is so, then why is there music from The Keep like Ancient Power Plant, Puer et whatever, Silver Seal and others available on boots? Where did they come from? Not the movie since the music in it is quite cut up. 8-) Dell PS: Nice to see another lady on the list. Welcome, Marion. NP: Mars Polaris. I love my namesake song. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20657 Re: THE KEEP Michael A Jean Tue 2/1/2000 1 KB 23533 THE KEEP Jeffrey Au Yeung Mon 8/7/2000 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 2:56 am Subject: RE: THE KEEP Because they were played on German radio.... MJ MJ > If > the latter > is so, then why is there music from The Keep like Ancient Power > Plant, Puer > et whatever, Silver Seal and others available on boots? Where did > they come > from? Not the movie since the music in it is quite cut up. 8-) Dell > > PS: Nice to see another lady on the list. Welcome, Marion. > NP: Mars Polaris. I love my namesake song. > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 4:54 am Subject: RE: Can Atilla (was D:Live [Logos]) Where can I find one of these and at what cost? > > Here I am! > I listened to 'Waves of wheels' 3 or 4 times yesterday. If there > has ever been a record which sounds 150% like early 90's TD (especially > 220 Volt live) then look no further. He even uses the same > synths, chords, samples & sax sounds from that era. If I would > have listened > to this album without knowing the artist I would've assumed that > these were TD tracks which didn't make it on regular releases. I prefer > the 'Ave' cd but this is still a very good album (released in 1997). > > Regards, > Heiko > > From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 5:47 am Subject: Where Can (I find) Atilla (?) Hey Michael, How ya doing? If I remember right, the answer is Groove Unlimited. Right guys? Anyone though somewhere in 'The States' though? siberkat > From: 'Michael A Jean' > > Where can I find one of these and at what cost? > > >> >> Here I am! >> I listened to 'Waves of wheels' 3 or 4 times yesterday. If there >> has ever been a record which sounds 150% like early 90's TD (especially >> 220 Volt live) then look no further. He even uses the same >> synths, chords, samples & sax sounds from that era. If I would >> have listened >> to this album without knowing the artist I would've assumed that >> these were TD tracks which didn't make it on regular releases. I prefer >> the 'Ave' cd but this is still a very good album (released in 1997). > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20670 Re: Where Can (I find) Atilla (?) Carlo Ruggiero Tue 2/1/2000 1 KB 20671 Re: Where Can (I find) Atilla (?) Kees Wed 2/2/2000 1 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 5:31 am Subject: Some Clarifications re THE KEEP >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:27:56 EST >From: tadream@o... >Subject: Re: [tadream]THE KEEP >Really-From: AOutland@a... > >[. . .] Steve insists that he held The Keep cassette in his hands >while TD insists it was never released. [. . .] That wasn't me, but Set Sutekh. He left a message in the guestbook at my website about it. Go to http://members.spree.com/molasar if you want to check it out. I held the KEEP LP in my hands in 1984. >[. . .] If the latter is so, then why is there music from The Keep like >Ancient Power Plant, Puer et whatever, Silver Seal and others available >on boots? Where did they come from? [. . .] Well, there were studio demos, and studio masters, too. What's on the boots comes from the demos, and what's on the TDI CDs are TANGENT- ized versions of studio masters, most likely. >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:56:43 -0600 >From: tadream@o... >Subject: RE: [tadream]THE KEEP >Really-From: 'Michael A Jean' > >> is so, then why is there music from The Keep like Ancient Power >> Plant, Puer et whatever, Silver Seal and others available on boots? >> Where did they come from? [. . .] > >Because they were played on German radio.... No, they weren't. This is what was (courtesy of Rainer Rutka's http://www.rutka.de/td/keep.htm#keep_Radio link): | Sender Freies Berlin: SFB2, 23.08.1987 | 1. Gloria (2:57) | 2. Romanian Road (2:49) | 3. Interview, Sailing Mission (1:19) | + some interviews regarding The Keep | | Westdeutscher Rundfunk: WDR, 23.02.1989 |1. Fisherman's Morning (2:45) | 2. Sailing Mission (3:03) | 3. Gloria (3:06) | + some interviews regarding The Keep Now that all the music above is available, how about the interviews there? I assume that they're in German. Anyone game enough to try to translate them??? Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ CURRENT INTERESTS: Hayao ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Miyazaki anime, kung fu/ ^ ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ martial arts movies, UFO ^ ^ ^ - _ \ 02445-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ abduction literature and ^ ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Tangerine Dream. ^ ^ _- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HOME PAGE: http://members.spree.com/molasar/ ^ ^ ^ ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ EBAY PAGE: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20663 Re: Some Clarifications re THE KEEP Michael A Jean Tue 2/1/2000 3 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 5:54 am Subject: French Articles on THE KEEP: Translator(s) Wanted! Hi, I just came into virtual contact with someone in France who has 'two french magazines dedicated to sci-fi and horror movies which were published at the time The Keep was released in France. These are 'L'Ecran Fantastique' and 'Starfix' [. . .] I'll be very pleased to help you for your site [. . .] I've got a full review from 'L'Ecran Fantastique' (10 pages with lots of pics) and an article published in 'Starfix' about the sfx. These are in french and unfortunately I haven't got much time to translate them [. . .]' Anyone here fluent in both English and French who would be into translating these articles? Be forewarned that they will be mostly about the movie, and Tangerine Dream will most likely be mentioned only in passing, if at all. Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ CURRENT INTERESTS: Hayao ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Miyazaki anime, kung fu/ ^ ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ martial arts movies, UFO ^ ^ ^ - _ \ 02445-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ abduction literature and ^ ^ ^ | /_/ \ | (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Tangerine Dream. ^ ^ _- __/_// __ |/ BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ INTERNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ HOME PAGE: http://members.spree.com/molasar/ ^ ^ ^ ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ EBAY PAGE: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ From: Quarlie@a... Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 6:03 am Subject: D:Live [Logos] Another early '80s classic. Does it beat 'White Eagle'? It's my job to find out. --- 1. Logos This can't really be described as one piece of music, so I will split it into the movements declared in the liner notes (of the SBM version, at least). --- First movement (0:00-4:32) 'Dominion London, thank you for being patient...' etc. The music starts strangely, with a repeating 'dun... dun' bassline and strange bleeps and burbles like you might hear from a computer in an old science fiction movie. I love the eerie, vaguely choral sound that starts around 0:37. A slow, deliberate rhythm appears. (Is it an 808? I can't quite tell. If so, it doesn't sound as cheap as usual.) The melody that starts a few seconds after 2:00 reminds me of the second segment of 'Kiew Mission.' It doesn't change too much from there on, but I love the atmosphere. --- Second movement (4:32-7:01) Long, sustaining synth notes take the spotlight in the second movement, over a busy, 'alien' ambience. The background noises eventually develop into a louder, morphing buzz. Like the first movement, this one is rather eerie. A plodding, slightly menacing beat appears in the last fifteen seconds, as a mournful tone sustains for a bit and then drops off. This effect is repeated three times, and then... --- Third movement (7:01-11:50) ...everything becomes completely different. Any hints of menace disappear, replaced by a determinedly optimistic chord progression. (Wow, that was a useless description.) The soaring lead, wistful but hopeful, defines this movement. There's a very nice flute sound starting at about 9:00, with a neat trill at 9:20. Well-earned applause finishes this segment. --- Fourth movement (11:50-20:16) There's not much happening at first, just high-pitched synth drones, joined by deeper ones shortly after 13:00. The atmosphere is tense. Around 14:00 an unconventional beat comes in, joined soon by the samples of a scratching/scraping noise and the filtered 'Wake up!' After a few repetitions, the most amazing two chords appear. I don't know how these were produced, but I love them. They don't sound like anything else I can call to mind. Kind of retro-futuristic. This pattern--the samples, then the chords--continues for a while. Then they start using the samples and the chords at the same time... and then the best bass sound since 'Rubycon' shows up. The part from 16:06 to 16:32, as the bass makes its majestic entry and the new, sparkling sequence arrives, is probably my favorite part of the entire album. It's followed by another great segment, as a more generic 'ohh' sample is used melodically, combined with a buzzing keyboard lead. A wonderful crystalline sequence comes in at 17:25 and voyages back and forth across the stereo image 'Oxygene V'-style. I love the part at 19:34 where everything disappears for a moment except the top sequence and the beat. The sequence gains another layer just before 20:00, and this double sequence carries us into the next movement. --- Fifth movement (20:16-25:45) The sequences and beat from the fourth movement keep going, along with a slow, powerful bassline and another airborne synth lead sort of like the one from the third movement. There's not really that much to say about this one because it doesn't change very much, but I like it almost as much as the fourth. --- Sixth movement (25:45-30:06) Out of near-silence comes a subtle bass drone with and muted metallic clangings and scrapings. An eerie melody appears. That about sums it up, really. Wonderfully atmospheric. --- Seventh movement (30:06-35:11) It's not immediately apparent that anything has changed, at first. The drone continues. Then a new sound effect shows up, a reverbrating burst of short, high-pitched tones, some rising and some falling. The effect makes me think of flowing water. A simple four-note sequence eventually appears, and at 31:05 a slow lead melody begins. Now, I have no idea why, but for some reason this melody evokes the middle ages to me. I don't know how--it just feels like something you might hear from a court minstrel. It's an interesting contrast considering how futuristic the rest of the album sounds. That melody goes away around 32:35, and things get more active, with multiple sequences and occasional synth buzzes. This part doesn't really grab me. The aforementioned melody returns a little while later. This movement really doesn't excite me, though I like the watery effect at the beginning, and that old-sounding melody is interesting. --- Eighth movement (35:11-42:16) The second-longest movement opens with what sound a little like horns and a strong wind. Things rapidly get more upbeat, though, as a beat and some kind of bouncy repeating percussion noises meet with a sequence consisting of a single note. At 36:10 it gives way to a major chord progression and thunderous tom-toms, with a really catchy lead line arriving soon after. These in turn lead into a section with a different major chord progression, a fun bassline and a high-pitched trilling sound. These two sections each repeat once, before anoth er section begins, with (you guessed it) a third major chord progression, and a lead that I suspect is supposed to sound like a guitar. The rest of the movement follows the same pattern, with each of the sections getting a few repetitions in. This part is lots of fun, and is one of the most upbeat things TD had done at that point. --- Ninth movement (42:16-45:06) A big whooshing sound brings in the final movement, and it does indeed have an air of finality about it, relying on a slow beat (kind of like the one from the third movement) and sustained keyboard notes. It's big and grandiose, but more in the way of Mussorgsky's 'The Great Gate of Kiev' (the last piece from the 'Pictures at an Exhibition' suite) than, say, the last few minutes of 'Phaedra.' Applause, naturally, brings it to a close. I'd be cheering too. --- 2. Dominion But wait! There's more! The applause leads right into 'Dominion,' a catchy track with an oddly echoing (delayed? I have no idea) kick-snare beat and some very anthemic, high -flying keyboard lines. Lots of nice 'Mojave Plan'-esque crashes, too. Yeah, I guess it's a bit cheesy, but, as I said about 'Midnight in Tula,' I like it anyway. Actually, I think I prefer the version on 'Dream Encores,' because of its funky bassline. Anyway, it's a fun way to close the album. --- Erk. Choosing whether I like this album more than 'White Eagle' is even harder than I thought. As I write this I want to declare 'Logos' the winner, but I'm sure I'd change my mind the next time I listened to 'White Eagle' (and then change it back when I listened to this again). Hey, I'm almost on time with this one. Considering that this week's discussion is about soundtracks I don't have, I think I'll start writing up the 'Hyperborea' review in advance... --Daniel NP: Pressurehed--Infadrone From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 12:26 pm Subject: RE: Some Clarifications re THE KEEP Sorry..I stand corrected...I was being imprecise in my thinking... > >Because they were played on German radio.... > > No, they weren't. This is what was (courtesy of Rainer Rutka's > http://www.rutka.de/td/keep.htm#keep_Radio link): > > | Sender Freies Berlin: SFB2, 23.08.1987 > | 1. Gloria (2:57) > | 2. Romanian Road (2:49) > | 3. Interview, Sailing Mission (1:19) > | + some interviews regarding The Keep > | > | Westdeutscher Rundfunk: WDR, 23.02.1989 > |1. Fisherman's Morning (2:45) > | 2. Sailing Mission (3:03) > | 3. Gloria (3:06) > | + some interviews regarding The Keep > > Now that all the music above is available, how about the interviews > there? I assume that they're in German. Anyone game enough to try to > translate them??? > > Steven Feldman ^ ^ ^ CURRENT INTERESTS: Hayao ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ________ ^ ^ > 33 Brook St #3 ^ ^ ^ Miyazaki anime, kung fu/ ^ ^ ^ ^ __--- ---_ > Brookline Mass ^ ^ ^ martial arts movies, UFO ^ ^ ^ - _ \ > 02445-6913 USA ^ ^ ^ abduction literature and ^ ^ ^ | /_/ \ | > (617) 232-3876 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Tangerine Dream. ^ ^ _- __/_// __ |/ > BITNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ - (|/ '()` <()/ ^ > INTERNET: ar402004@b... ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ \_ O .> | ^ > HOME PAGE: http://members.spree.com/molasar/ ^ ^ ^ ^ /--_/ -__ -- / ^ > EBAY PAGE: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molasar/ ^ ^ ^ ^ --- ^ ^ > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > FREE ADVICE FROM REAL PEOPLE! 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A shame, because it was a great book and could have made a great movie. Of course, I listened to the Keep soundtrack while reading it... Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23659 The Keep rbrown4856@a... Wed 8/16/2000 1 KB 23661 The Fantasy Merchants KEEP CD Steven Feldman Wed 8/16/2000 3 KB 23662 Re: The Keep Antonio Nunes Wed 8/16/2000 2 KB 33657 The Keep Morgan Feldon Tue 4/30/2002 2 KB 34561 The Keep Admin Fri 6/28/2002 2 KB From: 'joe shoults' Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 4:27 pm Subject: OT: vangelis ahhhh, go ahead and upload it; don't worry about it. I created a folder called ' Off-Topic Non-TDStuff' you can use... joe > -----Original Message----- > OK, I'm not German but I have a recording of a native German saying > 'Jerome Froese'. I've just uploaded it to the shared files area of > tadream. Enjoy. > > I have also a recording of Vangelis pronouncing his own name, but I > think it would be off-topic to upload there. Let me just say that Simon > Slator is right and his friend is wrong :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20669 Re: OT: vangelis Antonio Nunes Tue 2/1/2000 1 KB From: 'Frank' Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 5:43 pm Subject: Pergamon What !! No one even mentioned that Pergamon made history twenty years ago yesterday! Heresy!!! Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20691 Re: Pergamon Frank Thu 2/3/2000 3 KB 20698 Re: Pergamon Heiko Heerßen Fri 2/4/2000 1 KB 25312 Pergamon David Foster Sun 12/10/2000 2 KB 25316 Re: Pergamon Matthew Sawyer Sun 12/10/2000 2 KB 25318 Re: Pergamon Feldon Feldon Sun 12/10/2000 3 KB 25325 Re: Pergamon Gustavo Jobim Mon 12/11/2000 2 KB 25330 Re: Pergamon Hermes Guzman Mon 12/11/2000 4 KB From: jupe Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 4:51 pm Subject: The cover of the keep Hi , was Rainer the person that made the cover of this CDR? Please , click first : http://www.rutka.de/td/keep.htm#keep_Radio and click for view the original : http://mipagina.euskaltel.es/jupe/home.htm The picture was made by my wife for my homepage in 1996 . no words , Jupe >From: tadream@o... >Subject: RE: [tadream]THE KEEP >Really-From: 'Michael A Jean' > >> is so, then why is there music from The Keep like Ancient Power >> Plant, Puer et whatever, Silver Seal and others available on boots? >> Where did they come from? [. . .] > >Because they were played on German radio.... No, they weren't. This is what was (courtesy of Rainer Rutka's http://www.rutka.de/td/keep.htm#keep_Radio link): | Sender Freies Berlin: SFB2, 23.08.1987 | 1. Gloria (2:57) | 2. Romanian Road (2:49) | 3. Interview, Sailing Mission (1:19) | + some interviews regarding The Keep | | Westdeutscher Rundfunk: WDR, 23.02.1989 |1. Fisherman's Morning (2:45) | 2. Sailing Mission (3:03) | 3. Gloria (3:06) | + some interviews regarding The Keep Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20675 Re: The cover of the keep Rainer Rutka Wed 2/2/2000 1 KB From: 'Todd and Julie Tornow' Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 1:34 am Subject: Re: Mars Polaris and ToTT I will definitely give Turn of the Tides a second, third, forth, e.t.c. try. Heck, it's a TD album! I did not say it stunk. TD and company have to go to extremes to make me reject an album. Right now after a few spins, compared to other TD CDs, it seemed depressing and just did not stand out. Heck, talk about stiff competition! In time, it just might stand out. My tastes just happen to be on the hard rocker end of the spectrum. That just happens to be me. Others, of course, will be different. Todd >From: 'Jared White' >Reply-To: artofvision@o... >To: >Subject: [artofvision] Re: Re Mars Polaris and ToTT >Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:31:07 -0800 > >From: 'Jared White' > >I agree with you Carl, I think ToTT is an excellent album -- one of the >first albums I got from TD and it got me hooked more than anything else, I >think. However, I also think Mars Polaris is great. If you had asked me >about Tyranny of Beauty, however, I'd say yup, depressing! ToB is probably >second only to Transsiberia as the worse album of the 90's IMHO. I wish >Edgar's work on Beyond the Storm and (basically) Jerome's work on Dream >Mixes had become 'Tyranny of Beauty', because instead ToB sounds somewhat >like 'outtakes' from both those independent projects! > >Which reminds me, who else here thinks that Culpa Lewis from Dream Mixes II >sounds like one of Edgar's ToB tracks done right? I think that piece is >magnificent, and definitely lends Dream Mixes II an air of being a real, >cohesive, superb album instead of just another collection of 'remixes' and >such. > >So, Todd, why don't you give ToTT a second try sometime in the future when >you're in the mood. My opinions of albums by anyone have often been altered >drastically when I've listened to them at different times. > >Take care, > >Jared > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >FREE ADVICE FROM REAL PEOPLE! Xpertsite has thousands of experts who >are willing to answer your questions for FREE. Go to Xpertsite today >and put your mind to rest. >Click Here > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank e-mail to: > artofvision-unsubscribe@o... > > List owner: artofvision-owner@o... > >Community Web Site: > http://www.onelist.com/community/artofvision > >Hey, you! Got the new Great Wall of China soundtrack? Great, then tell us >what you think! > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 7:24 pm Subject: Re: OT: vangelis joe shoults wrote: > > ahhhh, go ahead and upload it; don't worry about it. I created a folder > called ' Off-Topic Non-TDStuff' you can use... Done. I hope Mr Papathanassiou doesn't mind. At least from now on tadream members will call him properly! Antonio From: Carlo Ruggiero Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 10:21 pm Subject: Re: Where Can (I find) Atilla (?) Steven, A month or two ago I had tried to get this from GROOVE, but it was a cd-r release that sold out awhile ago. There may be plans to release it officially, but I have heard nothing yet. Just passing on some knowledge. Although things may have changed since the last I tried to get it. Kees, any news? Carlo From: Kees Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 12:23 am Subject: Re: Where Can (I find) Atilla (?) At 17:21 1-2-00 -0500, you wrote: >From: Carlo Ruggiero > >Steven, > >A month or two ago I had tried to get this from GROOVE, but it was a cd-r >release that sold out awhile ago. There may be plans to >release it officially, but I have heard nothing yet. Just passing on some >knowledge. Although things may have changed since the last I >tried to get it. Kees, any news? > >Carlo > Hi, Nop, still no news. AVE is available at that's it. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 3:17 am Subject: Can (I find) Atilla (?) Thanks Carlo, Anyway, ain't this the story of my EM life! ;-) Geez, Ya know, I might just of had the money to get it. This CD-r stuff by 'stores' is really bummin me out. :( ( be advised I am in no way at all 'critisizing' Groove Unlimited, I'VE HEARD THEY ARE GREAT! ;) Well maybe someday. I mean, I still have Keep Dreams.... BTW, I saw a copy of FM Framed on gemm.com Anbody got anything to say about Risky Business or Wavelength? I actually have neither. See ya, siberkat > From: Carlo Ruggiero > > Steven, > > A month or two ago I had tried to get this from GROOVE, but it was a cd-r > release that sold out awhile ago. There may be plans to > release it officially, but I have heard nothing yet. Just passing on some > knowledge. Although things may have changed since the last I > tried to get it. Kees, any news? > > Carlo > From: Joel Mullen Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 5:13 am Subject: Off-Topic --- any Beatles or Rolling Stones collectors? Hello all- I know this is reeeeeeeally off topic, but what the heck. I have 40+ rare Beatles and Rolling Stones CDs that I am selling for a friend. They are all rare Russian releases. A good majority of them have 2 titles per disc so there is alot there. Let me know 'off list' if you want a list of what is available. Regards, Joel joelm@p... From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 5:41 am Subject: Tangerine Roaming To Toronto Hello all, I will have a short (about 7 day) trip to Toronto in mid-March. Who in the area is interested to meet up and chat? Regards Jeffrey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21104 Tangerine Roaming To Toronto Jeffrey Au Yeung Fri 3/3/2000 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 10:34 am Subject: Re: The cover of the keep On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, jupe wrote: > From: jupe > Hi , > was Rainer the person that made the cover of this CDR? > Please , click first : > http://www.rutka.de/td/keep.htm#keep_Radio > no words , > Jupe Yep! I found this nice picture on a CDR with a lot of other images. I got this CD two years ago. I like this picture so I used it. I hope this is _not_ a problem! If yes - I'll change. BTW: Everybody may use the scans I did on my page without asking. No problem! The internet is free! Bye... Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 10:48 am Subject: Permagon I recently found a copy of Permagon sitting in the rack at Virgin Megastores in Birmingham. There was a label on it marked 'Virgin Import', and was priced slightly higher than the UK-released TD remasters (when I say slightly, I mean only 50p - or about $1). Unfortunately, I couldn't afford it 'cause I spent my money on 'Hyperborea' instead. Does anyone know why Permagon is only available as an import, and as it's still on the Virgin label, why it wasn't re-mastered and re-issued with the rest of them? Oh - another question.... is it worth having it imported? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20677 Re: Permagon craig.cordrey@g... Wed 2/2/2000 2 KB 20681 Re: Permagon Carl & Jacqui Kearney Wed 2/2/2000 1 KB From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 10:54 am Subject: Re: Permagon >From: 'Simon Slator' My first post in yonks - Happy New Year! >I recently found a copy of Permagon sitting in the rack at Virgin Megastores in Birmingham. There was a label on it marked 'Virgin Import', and was priced slightly higher than the UK-released TD remasters (when I say slightly, I mean only 50p - or about $1). Unfortunately, I couldn't afford it 'cause I spent my money on 'Hyperborea' instead. Firstly, it's Pergamon, not Permagon. If the copy in Virgin says Permagon sell the house and buy the rarity. 8-) >Does anyone know why Permagon is only available as an import, and as it's still on the Virgin label, why it wasn't re-mastered and re-issued with the rest of them? I don't know why it's import only, but it is not on Virgin in the UK. It is Castle Communication (or whatever they're called now). Castle _did_ remaster their CDs (what used to be the old Jive Electro releases) but don't have the same stickers splattered over the front as Virgin. Hope this goes at least part-way to answering your questions. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'TDI - Martin K.' Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 11:05 am Subject: Mars Polaris in United Artists Theatres Hello everybody, supposedly, there is an ad program running in the United Artists Movie Theatres throughout the USA. It features the track 'Comet´s Figure Head' from Mars Polaris, which is played before the movie begins - this means, you should be hearing the song and, before and after it, a voice should inform you about the artist and song title. To all the US- residents on the list: does any one of you have such a movie theatre nearby (there should be 2000 across the US)? If yes, have you been to it recently and have you heard the song? The program is supposedly running from end of Dec ´99 to end of Feb. 2000. Any help or information on this will be greatly appreciated. All the best, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20680 Re: Mars Polaris in United Artists Theatres joe shoults Wed 2/2/2000 1 KB 20683 Re: Mars Polaris in United Artists Theatres Vic Rek Thu 2/3/2000 2 KB 20707 Re: Mars Polaris in United Artists Theatres Michael A Jean Fri 2/4/2000 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 6:17 pm Subject: froese pronounciation Hi, listen to the announcement on 'Poland'. There you find 'Froese' correctly pronounced. The 'r' is rolling a lot there which is merely a matter of whether you're in south Germany (rolling 'r') or in north germany (non-rolling), or, as on poland, in an eastern European country. No need for sound samples of us german TD web page maintainers. btw: it always gave me a good laugh hearing native english speakers reading latin - even latin teachers. armin From: 'joe shoults' Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 4:48 pm Subject: RE: Mars Polaris in United Artists Theatres No UA theaters in Ohio at all. But here's their website for others to check on locations near them: http://www.uatc.com/ Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: TDI - Martin K. [mailto:manager@t...] ... > supposedly, there is an ad program running in the United Artists Movie > Theatres throughout the USA. It features the track 'Comet´s Figure Head' > from Mars Polaris, which is played before the movie begins - this means, From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 11:37 pm Subject: Re: Permagon ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Simon Slator' To: Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 10:48 AM Subject: [tadream] Permagon > From: 'Simon Slator' > > I recently found a copy of Permagon sitting in the rack at Virgin Megastores in Birmingham. There was a label on it marked 'Virgin Import', and was priced slightly higher than the UK-released TD remasters (when I say slightly, I mean only 50p - or about $1). Unfortunately, I couldn't afford it 'cause I spent my money on 'Hyperborea' instead. > Simon take back Hyperborea and get Pergamon. Orch . From: AOutland@a... Date: Thu Feb 3, 2000 12:38 am Subject: Re: D: Risky Business Nobody seems to be into the soundtracks much. I'll try to get to Wavelength later, but at present I am playing Risky Business. Musically it's a bust for the most part unless you like Bob Seger or Phil Collins or whoever else is on the album. Most, if not all, of the TD music was done better elsewhere, but this is a soundtrack after all so the music here had to fit the action which it does do quite well. The main claim to fame seems to be Love on a Real Train which continues to pop up under different titles on other albums. It is not one of my favorites either, but I am of the minority opinion on that here. Still, I'd rather listen to that than Seger. My album states it is a CDV. Somebody once told me that meant it had a video in it. True or false? If true, what plays it? Thanks. 8-) Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20684 Re: D: Risky Business Joel Mullen Thu 2/3/2000 1 KB 20686 Re: D: Risky Business John Marchington Thu 2/3/2000 3 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Thu Feb 3, 2000 3:02 am Subject: Re: Mars Polaris in United Artists Theatres Hello Martin, My wife Natasha and I will check out the movies this weekend. We have a United Artist theatre 10 minutes away... We'll let you know. Don't forget about the Okefenokee adventure starting in early April. I hope you and TD can be there - but space is limited and most fans that plan to attend have put in their bid. We can find other accommodations of course! :-) It will be a wonderful time - no doubt! Vic TDI - Martin K. wrote: > > From: 'TDI - Martin K.' > > Hello everybody, > > supposedly, there is an ad program running in the United Artists Movie > Theatres throughout the USA. It features the track 'Comet´s Figure Head' > from Mars Polaris, which is played before the movie begins - this means, > you should be hearing the song and, before and after it, a voice should > inform you about the artist and song title. > From: Joel Mullen Date: Thu Feb 3, 2000 7:16 am Subject: RE: D: Risky Business On Wednesday, February 02, 2000 6:39 PM, AOutland@a... [SMTP:AOutland@a...] wrote: > My album states it is a CDV. Somebody once told me that meant it had a > video in it. True or false? If true, what plays it? Thanks. 8-) Dell Personally I don't think it means a darn thing. People are confusing it with CD+G that came out in the late 80's you needed a special player and it showed some graphical eye candy. There is another 'video' format, but I don't think that the catalog number CDV denotes anything special here. Heck I have some CDVDs that don't mean anything. If I am wrong someone do two things. Correct me...... and ...... tell me where to buy a player. Regards, Joel From: 'Thomas' Date: Thu Feb 3, 2000 9:30 am Subject: SV: D: Risky Business > From: Joel Mullen > > On Wednesday, February 02, 2000 6:39 PM, AOutland@a... [SMTP:AOutland@a...] wrote: > > > My album states it is a CDV. Somebody once told me that meant it had a > > video in it. True or false? If true, what plays it? Thanks. 8-) Dell > > Personally I don't think it means a darn thing. People are confusing it > with CD+G that came out in the late 80's you needed a special player > and it showed some graphical eye candy. There is another 'video' format, > but I don't think that the catalog number CDV denotes anything special here. > Heck I have some CDVDs that don't mean anything. If I am wrong someone > do two things. Correct me...... and ...... tell me where to buy a player. > > Regards, > > Joel Joel, you're absolutely right, it doesn't mean a darn thing. Most LaserDisc players accept CD-video, so I checked with mine and popped the 'Risky Business' CD in there - nothing but music came out. All CD releases from Virgin up until around 1988 or so were called CDV-somthing with a range of digits. The 'Risky Business' CD has catalogue number CDV2302, and I think it's the only release we'll ever see. To answer your question about where to buy a player, go for any modern LaserDisc player, and look for the CD-video logo. Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20688 Re: SV: D: Risky Business Simon Slator Thu 2/3/2000 2 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Feb 3, 2000 10:12 am Subject: Re: D: Risky Business Surely the 'V' in the catalogue number (eg CDV2302) merely stands for Virgin! ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas To: Sent: Thursday, 3 February 2000 10:30 Subject: SV: [tadream] D: Risky Business > From: 'Thomas' > > > From: Joel Mullen > > > > On Wednesday, February 02, 2000 6:39 PM, AOutland@a... [SMTP:AOutland@a...] wrote: > > > > > My album states it is a CDV. Somebody once told me that meant it had a > > > video in it. True or false? If true, what plays it? Thanks. 8-) Dell > > > > Personally I don't think it means a darn thing. People are confusing it > > with CD+G that came out in the late 80's you needed a special player > > and it showed some graphical eye candy. There is another 'video' format, > > but I don't think that the catalog number CDV denotes anything special here. > > Heck I have some CDVDs that don't mean anything. If I am wrong someone > > do two things. Correct me...... and ...... tell me where to buy a player. > > > > Regards, > > > > Joel > > Joel, > > you're absolutely right, it doesn't mean a darn thing. Most LaserDisc players accept CD-video, so I checked with mine and popped the 'Risky Business' CD in there - nothing but music came out. > All CD releases from Virgin up until around 1988 or so were called CDV-somthing with a range of digits. The 'Risky Business' CD has catalogue number CDV2302, and I think it's the only release we'll ever see. > > To answer your question about where to buy a player, go for any modern LaserDisc player, and look for the CD-video logo. > > Thomas > Helsingborg, Sweden > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Books, music, auctions and more! Amazon.com. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Feb 3, 2000 10:17 am Subject: [Fwd: Keen Auricle Contest] Hello all, just got the mail attached below. So far, ZERO participants in the Keen Auricle contest. Try your luck even with an incomplete solution at: http://www.caby.de/Music/Keenauricle/Contest/index.html cheers, klaus >Hallo Klaus, >bisher genau kein Einziger Einsender zum Rdtsel. Was sind das den f|r Schnarchzapfen ? From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Thu Feb 3, 2000 11:11 am Subject: Re: SV: D: Risky Business As far as I know, all TaDream CDs on the Virgin label (prior to being remastered in 1995), and all other Virgin releases for that matter, had a catalogue number preceded with the letters CDV. As far as I know, this was true for most UK releases on the Virgin label. For example, if you own both CD and LP copies of Edgar's 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale', you will notice the catalogue no. of the LP to be 'V2040' (a nice, easy one to remember), and the CD has 'CDV2040'. However, these have been known to change, depending on whether or not it was a mid-price re-issue. My CD of 'Ages' has a prefix of 'CDOVD', and my mid-80's re-issue LP of 'Rubycon' had a prefix of 'OVED'. The numbers, I believe, remained the same. I don't know whether they still prefix catalogue no's with CDV. I know the re-masters all have either TANG or TAND (for larger albums like 'Encore') Hope this helps Simon. ------------------------------- you're absolutely right, it doesn't mean a darn thing. Most LaserDisc players accept CD-video, so I checked with mine and popped the 'Risky Business' CD in there - nothing but music came out. All CD releases from Virgin up until around 1988 or so were called CDV-somthing with a range of digits. The 'Risky Business' CD has catalogue number CDV2302, and I think it's the only release we'll ever see. To answer your question about where to buy a player, go for any modern LaserDisc player, and look for the CD-video logo. Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Thomas' Date: Thu Feb 3, 2000 11:20 am Subject: SV: Re: SV: D: Risky Business Hi Simon, yes, the prefixes are as you say. The OVED prefix states that it's a reissue. But the numbers are not the same. In the specific case of 'Rubycon' the first release was Virgin V2025, while the reissue was called OVED27. The old CD was CDV2025, and the remastered version is TAND6. Nowadays they use a different kind of system for catalogue numbers, I suppose it has to do with them being part of a giant record company (don't know which, is it EMI??). Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden > From: 'Simon Slator' > > As far as I know, all TaDream CDs on the Virgin label (prior to being remastered in 1995), and all other Virgin releases for that matter, had a catalogue number preceded with the letters CDV. As far as I know, this was true for most UK releases on the Virgin label. For example, if you own both CD and LP copies of Edgar's 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale', you will notice the catalogue no. of the LP to be 'V2040' (a nice, easy one to remember), and the CD has 'CDV2040'. However, these have been known to change, depending on whether or not it was a mid-price re-issue. My CD of 'Ages' has a prefix of 'CDOVD', and my mid-80's re-issue LP of 'Rubycon' had a prefix of 'OVED'. The numbers, I believe, remained the same. > > I don't know whether they still prefix catalogue no's with CDV. I know the re-masters all have either TANG or TAND (for larger albums like 'Encore') > > Hope this helps > > Simon. > > ------------------------------- > you're absolutely right, it doesn't mean a darn thing. Most LaserDisc players accept CD-video, so I checked with mine and popped the 'Risky Business' CD in there - nothing but music came out. > All CD releases from Virgin up until around 1988 or so were called CDV-somthing with a range of digits. The 'Risky Business' CD has catalogue number CDV2302, and I think it's the only release we'll ever see. > > To answer your question about where to buy a player, go for any modern LaserDisc player, and look for the CD-video logo. > > Thomas > Helsingborg, Sweden From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Feb 3, 2000 2:35 pm Subject: Keen Auricle Contest Hi all, was it really too hard ??? Some of you on this lists should at least be able to recognize their own faces.... Anyway, a few hints have been added to the Keen Auricle contest page: http://www.caby.de/Music/Keenauricle/Contest/index.html cheers, klaus From: 'Frank' Date: Thu Feb 3, 2000 7:20 pm Subject: Re: Pergamon >On Wednesday, February 2, 2000 >From: 'Simon Slator' wrote >Subject: Pergamon >....is it worth having it imported? ...Does a bear s_ _t in the woods? Oops, did I say that? If I did, I know I didn't mean to. The devil must have made me do it, ha ha. Seriously, I'm still a little shocked and baffled that none of you dreamer's even mentioned Pergamon's 20 year celebration the other day. So I had to go back and listen to it again. Yup, it sounded just as good as I remembered it, maybe even better. Being that I'm relatively new to this list I must have just missed Pergamon's review, so here's my chance. I hadn't thought about it before, but Quichotte I would make an excellent track to make love to. The intro piano is slow and mellow, the way making love should be .[IMO] Then the synthesizers slowly and smoothly take over, slowly building up energy with their overlapping rhythmic melodies, Classic TD, argueably at their best, [get's your heart pumping and excited]. And then they sustain it for an extended period of time, playing beautiful melodies! At which point, your left holding your breath, thinking to your self ,'ohh mannnn!' [Climaxing somewhere around 17: 40 and 18: 35]. From there it slowly, but beautifully winds downs [A resolution period] .For some of you young animals out there, if you think you can get up and do it again or if 23 minutes wasn't long enough, just put it in repeat mode. Quichotte II is equally a great track with Senor Froese showing off his great guitar abilities! Argueably some of his best IMO. Both Quichotte I and II are both long and awesome sequences. It's TD concerts like these that turn normal people into obsessed fans. I'm left imagining what it must have been like for them performing this live. And the only thing I can come up with is that they must have been in a zone. That awesome and great feeling that is so rarely achieved by the average person. In my solitude I wonder what world's he has seen, envious of what a great life he has lived. Yet, always thankful and indebted to Froese and co. for the great music that they have shared with us and for enriching our lives so.... So, Simon, is it worth having it imported? Hell yes !! Oops, there I went again. Are you sure it was me? Hi Tom, Duncan, Alan [TD's pal], Klaus, Peter, Marion, and all my other TD friends and soon to be TD friends out there ! Frank Arellano 'The Dreamer' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 11:34 pm Subject: Tyranny tracklist Hello folks Can someone please post the right tracklist for Tyranny of Beauty? I was just reading the official page version but I'm sure there are some mistakes, and I don't have my original copy of TOB right here. Regards, Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20694 Re: Tyranny tracklist Antonio Nunes Fri 2/4/2000 1 KB 20697 Re: Tyranny tracklist Michael A Jean Fri 2/4/2000 2 KB 20703 Re: Tyranny tracklist Antonio Nunes Fri 2/4/2000 1 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 11:39 pm Subject: Re: Pronounciation (Vangelis's) >From: 'Simon Slator' > >I remember having a debate with my friend as to how 'Vangelis' is actually pronounced. I'd always pronounced it as read (Van-gellis), but my friend always said it was a more Greek sounding pronounciation of 'Van-jel-eez'. We just agreed to disagree! > >I would avoid confusion by simply calling him 'Van The Man' - but that nickname's already taken by Van Morrison. I just call him Mr.V . I guess there's no other Mr.V around - maybe some children's-party-magician? :) Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 12:18 am Subject: Re: Tyranny tracklist Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > Can someone please post the right tracklist for Tyranny of Beauty? I was > just reading the official page version but I'm sure there are some > mistakes, and I don't have my original copy of TOB right here. Tangerine Dream - Tyranny of Beauty (Miramar 09006-23046-2) 1. Catwalk 2. Birdwatcher's dream 3. Little blond in the park of attractions 4. Living in a fountain pen 5. Stratosfear 1995 6. Bride in cold tears 7. Haze of fame 8. Tyranny of beauty 9. Largo Regards, Antonio Nunes np: Software - Fire-Works From: Vic Rek Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 12:25 am Subject: Keen Auricle Contest + Questions? > From: Klaus Beschorner > just got the mail attached below. > So far, ZERO participants in the Keen Auricle contest. > Try your luck even with an incomplete solution at: OK Klaus, I put in my preliminary list. A few more to go, but these will be guesses... :-) Other questions: 1. Klaus, you mentioned a multi-CD VA set released in Europe recently that contained a TD track. Can you provide that information again? 2. Can someone locate the VA sampler CD 'Schimanski #3' or any other Schimanski CD with TD on it? Please contact me off-list if you can get this. Thanks, Vic From: 'John Marchington' Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 4:00 am Subject: Complete TD listing Can anyone please provide me with a complete TD listing in chronological order beginning, obviously, with 'Electronic Meditation' and ending with ??? By chronological, I mean performance/recording date and not release date (i.e. the correct date for 'Green Desert' would be 1973 and NOT 1986) I'm currently cataloguing my TD collection and would like to do it chronologically and there are some albums I'm not clear about.As I would like bootlegs included in the list and Joe mightn't be keen on having them posted, whoever replies to this plea might like to reply privately to my own e-mail address. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20699 Re: Complete TD listing craig.cordrey@g... Fri 2/4/2000 2 KB 20700 Re: Complete TD listing Heiko Heerßen Fri 2/4/2000 1 KB 20716 Re: Complete TD listing Grant M Somerville Fri 2/4/2000 1 KB 20720 Re: Complete TD listing Joe Shoults Sat 2/5/2000 1 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 4:35 am Subject: RE: Tyranny tracklist Plus the UK version and TDI version have the trak QUASAR > -----Original Message----- > From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:ajogon@m...] > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 6:18 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Tyranny tracklist > > > From: Antonio Nunes > > > Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > > > Can someone please post the right tracklist for Tyranny of Beauty? I was > > just reading the official page version but I'm sure there are some > > mistakes, and I don't have my original copy of TOB right here. > > > Tangerine Dream - Tyranny of Beauty (Miramar 09006-23046-2) > > 1. Catwalk > 2. Birdwatcher's dream > 3. Little blond in the park of attractions > 4. Living in a fountain pen > 5. Stratosfear 1995 > 6. Bride in cold tears > 7. Haze of fame > 8. Tyranny of beauty > 9. Largo > > > Regards, > Antonio Nunes > > np: Software - Fire-Works > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Unique Valentine gifts, available now at eGroups. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 7:09 am Subject: Re: Re: Pergamon Frank wrote: > I'm still a little shocked and baffled that none of you dreamer's even mentioned Pergamon's 20 year celebration the other day. Hey, I mentioned it! 'it was 20 years ago today Ed & Co. taught Berlin how to play' Heiko P.S.: Wavelength rules! From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 8:27 am Subject: Re: Complete TD listing >From: 'John Marchington' > >Can anyone please provide me with a complete TD listing in chronological order beginning, obviously, with 'Electronic Meditation' and ending with ??? By chronological, I mean performance/recording date and not release date (i.e. the correct date for 'Green Desert' would be 1973 and NOT 1986) I too would be interested in such a list for the same purpose. Scott Plumer's book Mysterious Semblance would be a good place to start, but I believe it's 'out-of-print' with no plans to re-issue. Ever thought about hosting the informaion on a web-site, Scott? NP : Tournado (just got it last night). Features my all-time favourite sequence : that bit between 220 Volt and Firetongues. Even beats the bit out of LogoTypes I like. What's your favourite 'sequence'? -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 8:45 am Subject: Re: Complete TD listing craig.cordrey@g... wrote: > What's your favourite 'sequence'? Silver Scale! From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 9:56 am Subject: Jim and Pablo Along with Tournado, I also got Der Meteor last night, and am listening to it for the first time. What an interesting collection of music! (When you can hear it). Just as Ambient Monkeys often harked back to old styles (perhaps cut-outs from previous albums?), so this includes much music that strikes me as excerpts of cut-outs from Froese solo material. Particularly, track 5 contains much Pinnacles-like material, but certainly not actually from that track. Any thoughts on this? Did Ed get the old stuff out and recreate these pieces for this soundtrack, or has he raided the archives for these snippets? -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20702 Re: Jim and Pablo Heiko Heerßen Fri 2/4/2000 1 KB 20706 Re: Jim and Pablo Michael A Jean Fri 2/4/2000 3 KB 20708 Re: Jim and Pablo Heiko Heerßen Fri 2/4/2000 1 KB 20717 Re: Jim and Pablo Richard Ford Fri 2/4/2000 1 KB From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 10:29 am Subject: Re: Jim and Pablo craig.cordrey@g... wrote: > Any thoughts on this? Did Ed get the old stuff out and recreate these pieces > for this soundtrack, or has he raided the archives for these snippets? Hi Craig, most of it sounds indeed like archive material and it would be great if one could hear at least 2 or 3 snippets of these tracks in their entire length (especially the opening music). I have a 'no word mix' , containing only the music from Jim & Pablo which is really good (although it's only 9 minutes long) Too bad that the story doesn't live up to the musical quality. It sounds pale against 'Die drei ???' (a joke for my fellow Germans ;-) Heiko From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 11:21 am Subject: Re: Tyranny tracklist Michael A Jean wrote: > > Plus the UK version and TDI version have the trak QUASAR Isn't there also a version with track 5 named 'Stratosfear 1994' instead of 'Stratosfear 1995'? Antonio From: 'F. H. Dumay' Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 11:02 am Subject: RE: First Five Albums Hi Todd There is no need for anyone that does not have an English native tongue to apologize for 'Bad english', at least not in my opinion. I consider 'bad' English to be an email, or letter where I don't have a clue what the author is saying. Regards, Fabien Dumay From: 'F. H. Dumay' Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 11:02 am Subject: RE: Re : Hyperborea Well, I like hyperborean, although I must admit that I do not listen to it very often. But it gets played once in a while. The first and last track are my favorites from this album, with Sphinx road coming in slightly before no mans land. Regards, Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20780 Re: Hyperborea Gustavo Jobim Mon 2/7/2000 1 KB 30802 Re: Hyperborea Dmitriy V N Sun 12/23/2001 2 KB 30811 Re: Hyperborea Phil White Sun 12/23/2001 2 KB 30812 Re: Hyperborea John Vertical Sun 12/23/2001 2 KB 30814 Re: Hyperborea mkljssl Sun 12/23/2001 2 KB 30862 Re: Hyperborea John Vertical Thu 12/27/2001 3 KB 30876 Re: Lyrics/Stratosfear TheInfection Fri 12/28/2001 3 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 12:38 pm Subject: RE: Jim and Pablo Hmmm...and I wonder what ever happend to the other ten or so discs in the series... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: craig.cordrey@g... [mailto:craig.cordrey@g...] > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 3:57 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Jim and Pablo > > > From: craig.cordrey@g... > > > Along with Tournado, I also got Der Meteor last night, and am > listening to it > for the first time. What an interesting collection of music! > (When you can hear > it). Just as Ambient Monkeys often harked back to old styles > (perhaps cut-outs > from previous albums?), so this includes much music that strikes > me as excerpts > of cut-outs from Froese solo material. Particularly, track 5 contains much > Pinnacles-like material, but certainly not actually from that track. > > Any thoughts on this? Did Ed get the old stuff out and recreate > these pieces > for this soundtrack, or has he raided the archives for these snippets? > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... > Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 > Alenia Marconi Systems > Integrated Systems Division > Donibristle, Fife, Scotland > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Finding a sweetheart is hard work. Shopping for one shouldn't be. > Click here for Valentine Surprises. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 12:44 pm Subject: RE: Mars Polaris in United Artists Theatres Martin, There used to be some in my area but they were pushed out of the market by Sony / Cineplex Odean and AMC....They are only located in the following states: Arkansas | Arizona | California | Colorado | Connecticut | Florida | Georgia | Indiana | Louisiana | Maryland | Michigan | Minnesota | Mississippi | North Carolina | New Jersey | New Mexico | Nevada | New York | Pennsylvania | South Carolina | Texas | Virginia | West Virginia > -----Original Message----- > From: TDI - Martin K. [mailto:manager@t...] > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 5:05 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Mars Polaris in United Artists Theatres > > > From: 'TDI - Martin K.' <> > > Hello everybody, > > supposedly, there is an ad program running in the United Artists Movie > Theatres throughout the USA. It features the track 'Comet´s Figure Head' > from Mars Polaris, which is played before the movie begins - this means, > you should be hearing the song and, before and after it, a voice should > inform you about the artist and song title. > > To all the US- residents on the list: > > does any one of you have such a movie theatre nearby (there should be 2000 > across the US)? If yes, have you been to it recently and have you > heard the > song? The program is supposedly running from end of Dec ´99 to end of Feb. > 2000. Any help or information on this will be greatly appreciated. > > > All the best, > > Martin K. > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://tadream.copfer.com What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 12:56 pm Subject: Re: Jim and Pablo Michael A Jean wrote: > From: 'Michael A Jean' > > Hmmm...and I wonder what ever happend to the other ten or so discs in the > series... > > MJ There are plans to release a new CD called 'Jim & Jerome: at the hairdresser (at last) ;-) Heiko From: TOMX01@a... Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 1:15 pm Subject: Re: First Five Albums I also really like Alpha Centauri, especially Fly and Collision which is of course a re_record of Ultima Thule. However I never really consider green desert as one of the early albums as it was clearly very heavily tangentised before release Tom (Melrose) From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 4:09 pm Subject: Pop 2000 Box >1. Klaus, you mentioned a multi-CD VA set released in Europe recently >that contained a TD track. Can you provide that information again? Sure, here it is. There is also a book to the series. Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:02:52 +0100 From: Klaus Beschorner Subject: Pop 2000 CD box German news magazine 'Der Spiegel' offers an 8-CD-box companion to the WDR-TV series 'Pop 2000'. One of the 150 or so tracks is TD's Phaedra. If your German is good enough to handle an online shop, check: http://www3.alphamusic.com/cgi-bin/alphamusic.storefront?PartnerID=SPIEGEL Otherwise, try emailing mailto:spiegel@d... Price is DM 139 to 149, credit cards accepted. klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20711 Re: Pop 2000 Box Joel Mullen Fri 2/4/2000 1 KB From: Joel Mullen Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 4:27 pm Subject: RE: Pop 2000 Box On Friday, February 04, 2000 10:09 AM, Klaus Beschorner [SMTP:klaus@c...] wrote: > If your German is good enough to handle an online shop, > check: > http://www3.alphamusic.com/cgi-bin/alphamusic.storefront?PartnerID=SPIEGEL > > Otherwise, try emailing mailto:spiegel@d... You can select 'English' on the fist page you come to on the link above. There is a 'Select Language' option. It even works ;-) Joel From: Joel Mullen Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 4:59 pm Subject: KS Ultimate Edition Hello all- Any word on the final numbers on how many Ultimate Editons were made? Because they were available in 5 different sets of 10 discs and the last set would be in the highest demand I realize that it we may never know for sure and/or it is possible to end up with 5 sets of numbers. Anyway if anyone has any inside information let us know. Regards, Joel From: glynnn@o... Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 5:43 pm Subject: Quichotte II >From: 'Frank' >Subject: Re: Pergamon > > Quichotte II is equally a great track with Senor Froese showing off his great guitar abilities! Argueably some of his best IMO. Both Quichotte I and II are both long and awesome sequences. It's TD concerts like these that turn normal people into obsessed fans. I'm left imagining what it must have been like for them performing this live. And the only thing I can come up with is that they must have > Well, the guitar solo section of Quichotte II was never in fact played live. This section is one of TD's infamous fakes. Having said that, it's remarkably similar in feel to the actual guitar solo section that was played during the concert. But the final section, once the drums have stopped, is indeed lifted from the actual concert. Why did they go to the effort of faking this section retrospectively, whilst making it sound as similar as possible to what was actually played? Who knows? Glynn From: Radu Velicescu Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 8:34 pm Subject: favourite sequence > From: 'Heiko Heerßen' > > > > craig.cordrey@g... wrote: > > > What's your favourite 'sequence'? > > Silver Scale! > Royal Albert Hall 1975!! From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 9:48 pm Subject: Poland has my favourite sequences >> > What's your favourite 'sequence'? >> >> Silver Scale! >> > >Royal Albert Hall 1975!! Poland-'Poland' (the track) has one of my favorite sequences that starts at 7:00 in, where they play lots of nice nice motifs all around this great theme....including some nice guitar work from Edgar Listening to a few '83 shows shows today and I think that Poland is probably the least 'Tangentized' off all the official live shows so far. It has some great sequences throughout, and most of them are from the actual concert. Dresden has some nice variations on the main themes from Poland...and includes a nice version of White Eagle (which may be my favorite sequence, now that I think about it) towards the end of the show. Of course, Silver Scale is always nice... Craig From: Grant M Somerville Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 10:08 pm Subject: Re: Complete TD listing 'Heiko Heerßen' wrote: > From: 'Heiko Heerßen' > > craig.cordrey@g... wrote: > > > What's your favourite 'sequence'? > > Silver Scale! > Got to be Silver Scale by an ENORMOUS margin!! Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Richard Ford Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 7:13 pm Subject: Re: Jim and Pablo > I have a 'no word mix' , >containing only the music from Jim & Pablo which is really good >(although it's only 9 minutes long) I was quite disappointed that there wasn't a music only track on the CD. It was this that made Rumplestiltskin a reasonable buy. -- Richard Ford From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 5:10 am Subject: Re: SV: CDV >Nowadays they use a different kind of system for catalogue numbers, I suppose it has to do with them being part of a giant record company (don't know which, is it EMI??). > >Thomas That's right. T.Bells release from 1998, for example, was 'Published by EMI Virgin Music Ltd.'. Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20719 Re: SV: CDV Gustavo Jobim Fri 2/4/2000 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Feb 4, 2000 5:04 am Subject: Re: SV: CDV >Joel, > >you're absolutely right, it doesn't mean a darn thing. Most LaserDisc players accept CD-video, so I checked with mine and popped the 'Risky Business' CD in there - nothing but music came out. >All CD releases from Virgin up until around 1988 or so were called CDV-somthing with a range of digits. The 'Risky Business' CD has catalogue number CDV2302, and I think it's the only release we'll ever see. I always thought the V was from Virgin. Tubular Bells catalog number is CDV 2001. I mean, I have the remastered 25th anniversary special edition, which number is CDVX 2001 - 1 meaning the first Virgin CD, surely, but I guess the original CD is CDV 2001. White Eagle (I have the first Virgin CD release with 'framed' cover) is CDV 2226. Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sat Feb 5, 2000 1:23 am Subject: RE: Complete TD listing Don't worry about posting bootlegs on the list. It is fine. I'd like to see such a complete chronological list posted, myself. You will probably find one on someone's site- just go to the link listed below and click on 'Members' Sites', or move your mouse around the main graphic on the main page. joe > -----Original Message----- > From: John Marchington [mailto:johnm@p...] ... > about.As I would like bootlegs included in the list and Joe > mightn't be keen on having them posted, whoever replies to this > plea might like to reply privately to my own e-mail address. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Feb 5, 2000 1:47 am Subject: Fave Sequences So, I think some of my fave sequences are: (chronological order) - Phaedra, first half - the sequences in Ricochet part II - the sequence from Force Majeure, the track, after 6:45 - the drums, the sequence, then the main theme - one of my most loved minutes of TD music!!!!! It could be a separated track, beginning exactly at 6:48 and all the way to 9:15. - Thru Metamorphic Rocks, second part. Ten minutes of another sample of great TD music. - the sequences in Quichotte part I - the final part, and all of Quichotte II - the sequences in Tangram part I (don't have Tangram 2) - all the sequences in White Eagle, the album. - Logos too. - Poland, the track, of course! And I guess the later albums after Poland weren't so heavy in sequences as the Virgin albums. that's it! p.s. I still didn't get Encore, Tangram, Exit, the other 70s soundtracks, and Hyperborea. p.p.s. And it seems I picked almost all the Virgin albums... Favourite TD-stuff list is nearly impossible to do. Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20726 Re: Fave Sequences Marcel Engels Sat 2/5/2000 1 KB From: Quarlie@a... Date: Sat Feb 5, 2000 2:25 am Subject: Favo(u)rite sequence (was 'Re: Complete TD listing') In a message dated 2/4/00 3:32:15 AM, craig.cordrey@g... writes: >What's your favourite 'sequence'? It has to be the bassline from part one of 'Rubycon.' It practically knocks me over, every time. Also, That Sequence(tm) from 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks' is pretty amazing--it might be my second favorite. --Daniel NP: Haslinger--World Without Rules (just got this... pretty strange!) From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Feb 5, 2000 8:44 am Subject: Homepage updates and Keen Auricle Contest Hi all, I've made a few updates to my homepage, nothing spectacular, the main 'growth area' was the Remarks and Corrections file, remcorr.txt >From the K.A. contest page: update February 5, 2000: ok, now we have a few entires, but: guessing the names from the hints is not enough to win ! You have to assign names to faces, e.g.: from left to right ! One correctly identified face will count more than all guessed names together. Happy hunting ! cheers, klaus From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Feb 5, 2000 10:54 am Subject: Pop 2000 on German TV Ooops, late, but I only saw it just now: today, Feb. 5, both parts (#4 and #5) of the Pop 2000 -series that mention TD (and have an interview with Edgar + some old footage!) are on German TV. Both SWR and ORB are on the Astra sattelites. Part 4: 16:00 , SWR Part 5: 22:00 , ORB klaus From: 'James Chapman' Date: Sat Feb 5, 2000 7:04 pm Subject: Fave sequences How about this for an e-mail address? :-) Fave sequences: Horizon (6-10 minutes) absolutely sends shivers through me. Force Majeure (4-9 minutes) Tangram set 1 (first 4:30) Logos (16-20 mins) 21st Century Common Man part 1 There are more but it's all I can really think of for now. These bits are where they get it absolutely spot on. I just got Tyger last week as well, and it's not as bad as I thought it would be (though the instrumental tracks are the best!). Alchemy of the Heart is great as well. It's better than Cyclone anyway! :-) Cheers James ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sat Feb 5, 2000 1:07 pm Subject: RE: Fave Sequences > From: Gustavo Jobim > > - the sequences in Ricochet part II Yes, I think those are one of my favorites too. Rubycon has some good moments too. Actually in all pre 86 there were some great sequences and also some after that. Silver Scale is quite good too but not my favorite. But it doesn't necessarily means that the track is good too when only the sequences are good, but it definitely helps :-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: Carlo Ruggiero Date: Sat Feb 5, 2000 3:24 pm Subject: D:Soundtrack [Wavelength] Well, ok. Like most of you, I have had Wavelength in my TD collection for some time, but it has been gathering dust. Judging from the lack of responses for this week's discussion, it would seem that it is not a favorite soundtrack/album on this list, and looked on as some evil step-child. I don't feel that way anymore. There are some real gems on this album. Granted, much of the music is not original (heard on this albym for the first time. Here's just a short review: 1. Alien Voices - sounds like (humpback) whale song - shame it is so short. 2. Wavelength Main Title - an original piece, I believe - but it does sound familiar - Anyone care to shed some light on this one? 3. Desert Drive - Comes from Pergamon - piano part from Quichotte I 4. Mojave End Title - sounds like a familiar piece, but I can't quite place it - However, you can tell that White Eagle and Wavelength came from the same band 5. Healing - a slow ambient piece - is that a melltron flute I hear in the beginning? 6. Break Out - Here is an Edgar track - because this appears on Edgar's Kamikaze 1989 album as Vitamin C 7. Alien Goodbyes - nice slow piece with pleasant guitar strumming - sounds similar to a piece from Firestarter, IMO 8. Spaceship - also from Quichotte Part I - around 14 or 16 minutes into the track 9. Church Theme - This is the beginning (the first two and a half minutes) of that classic and much-loved-by-TD-fans-around-the-world track SILVER SCALE! Excellent! Franke, Froese and Schmoelling made some great music together and that track, although never officially released in full-length 20+ minute form, is evidence of that genius. Despite being so short, this is my favorite track on the album, followed closely by 13. Cyro (Cryo) Lab 10. Sunset Drive - a very nice remix of Remote Viewing from the album, Exit. Nice mellotron flute on this one, too. 11. Airshaft - very dark - interesting piece of music with some weird sounds - could this be the track with the flushing toilet on it? Listen to the very end of the track - almost sounds like water going down a drain. 12. Alley Walk - a short, slow-building, ambient piece 13. Cyro Lab - another misspelled word on a CD sleeve, should be Cryo Lab ....Another dark piece - those bass sounds are just haunting.! 14. Running Through the Hills - I call this one the elastic track - bouncy, stringed sounds - slow amd ambient 15. Campfire Theme - another one with similiarities to the Firestarter and The Keep soundtracks 16. Mojave End Title Reprise - see track 4 above, not much difference Well, that's it. It was nice rediscovering this album. I won't be letting dust gather on this one anymore. Give it another shot; You might be surprised at what you hear. All the best, guys and gals, Carlo From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)' Date: Sat Feb 5, 2000 2:09 pm Subject: SV: Hyperborea Hey, Is there a link between TD's Hyberborea and the Conan saga, in which a country (or 'realm') is named Hyperborea? all the best, Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Emusic www.itsahit.com/emusic (now updated) From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Sat Feb 5, 2000 5:04 pm Subject: Millennium OK guys I know this is so far off topic I should be shot ,but I thought that after all the differing opinions around Christmas time I would do some checking and sort it out once and for all, so here goes. Courtesy of The Royal Observatory Greenwich & US Naval Observatory. When do the 3rd and the 21st Century start ? A millennium is an interval of 1000 years and a century 100 years In the Gregorian Calendar, which we use , there is no year zero and the sequence of years near the start runs as follows; ...,3BC,2BC,1BC,1AD,2AD,...... because there is no year zero, the first year of the calendar ends at the year named 1AD. By similar argument 100 years will only have elapsed at the end of the year 100 AD. Since 200 AD is the 2,000th year of the Christian calendar, it will be the last year of the Second Millennium. So the 3rd Millennium and the 21st Century will begin at the same moment , namely zero hours UTC ( commonly known as GMT )on January 1st 2001. So there you have it . I hope this has been of some help. Best regards Carl ' Orch ' From: Ken Beal Date: Sat Feb 5, 2000 9:07 pm Subject: Hans-Joachim Roedelius Howdy All... I have the following cassette - Hans-Joachim Roedelius 'Momenti Felici.' This is a Promo cassette... If you want it, be the first to email me off list. All I ask is $2.00 to ship it to you....such a deal... Ken ********************************************** The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh. ********************************************** To avoid disappointment, lower expectations. From: AOutland@a... Date: Sat Feb 5, 2000 9:31 pm Subject: Re: World Without Rules In a message dated 02/04/2000 9:30:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, Quarlie@a... writes: << --Daniel NP: Haslinger--World Without Rules (just got this... pretty strange!) >> And a masterpiece IMO. The whole album is like taking a trip around the world with the final song ending as the album began, closing the circle. I can't say enough good about this album. Future Primitive was like a stepping stone to it. Unfortunately, the newest release, Score, is a back step: too repetitive of the earlier release and therefore uninteresting. Haslinger needs to find a new direction now. 8-) Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20732 Re: World Without Rules tom george Sat 2/5/2000 1 KB 20741 Re: World Without Rules Quarlie@a... Sun 2/6/2000 2 KB 20766 Re: World Without Rules Sean Montgomery Mon 2/7/2000 2 KB 20809 Re: World Without Rules tom george Wed 2/9/2000 3 KB 36977 Re: World Without Rules Adele Outland outlanda60 Sat 11/2/2002 3 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Sat Feb 5, 2000 10:36 pm Subject: Re: World Without Rules personally i thought the cd sucked and sold it shortly after buying it. i gave it one listen and out it went. i won't be buying anymore Haslinger that is for sure. i just hate that pretencious world crap. Quarlie@a... writes: > ><< --Daniel > NP: Haslinger--World Without Rules (just got this... pretty strange!) : http://tadream.copfer.com Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Richard Ford Date: Sat Feb 5, 2000 11:00 pm Subject: (Other) Uploaded Demo's to site + why my TD covers have not been uploaded yet Firstly, may I apologise to those who are waiting for me to upload my covers of some of TD's tunes, but I have been contacted by TDI, and have put on hold any plans to upload them for at least a week. But, I have uploaded a couple of (demo - excerpt) mp3's on the Timeleaf page on my 'still in test' website: http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk I would be grateful for any constructive comments All the best -- Richard Ford From: Felna Greymane Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 2:38 am Subject: Chronological listing (Warning LONG) >Don't worry about posting bootlegs on the list. It is fine. I'd like to >see such a complete chronological list posted, myself. You will probably >find one on someone's site- just go to the link listed below and click on >'Members' Sites', or move your mouse around the main graphic on the main >page. I have spent some time trying to do this from various sources. My listing is attached below. Some caveats: 1) Dates are listed in US format (MO/DAY/YEAR) 2) Commercial titles are listed in RELEASE date order (except Green Desert). Bootlegs are listed in RECORDING date order. Boot compilations are listed in RELEASE date order. 3) The ones with question marks in the date mean I have been unable to get an exact release date. When I have the EXACT date, they are listed. If I only knew the year a question mark is used. If there are dashes... '--' means it was released late in the year (October-December) and '-' in the single digit months. In any event, I think I was able to track those down to being in the correct release order (for example Electronic Orgy & Traumzeit were out between February and June of 98). 4) I have been unable to get ANY information on Above Purple Fears. If anyone has the info on this please let me know. 5) Yes I know Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri and Zeit are not on the list. I think you can figure out where they go.... 6) Anyone know of any errors/clarifications PLEASE let me know! Thanks! Green Desert 8/73 Atem ?/73 Phaedra 3/74 Live Improvised (2 CD Set) 12/13/74 Rubycon 3/75 The Coefficient of Aural Expansion (2 CD Set) 4/ 2/75 Ruby in the Sky (2 CD Set) 4/ 2/75 Festival Pop d'Orange 8/16/75 Ricochet 12/75 Sorcerer (Soundtrack) 4/76 Stratosfear 7/76 Me-Rad 11/ 8/76 Palais du Sport, Paris Nov. 22, 1976 (2 CD Set) 11/22/76 Danger Live --/76 Danger Live pt. 2 --/76 The Emerald Beyond 3/30/77 Strange Mandarin 4/ 4/77 Patroling Space Borders 4/ 9/77 Babylon's Strange 4/21/77 Santa Monica, California 4/26/77 (2 CD Set) 4/26/77 Encore 11/77 Don't Walk, Dream Now! (2 CD Set) 2/19/78 London Hammersmith Odeon (2 CD Set) 3/28/78 Force Majeure 9/79 Beyond the Wall 31.01.80 1/31/80 Pergamon 1/31/80 Staatsgrenze West 1/31/80 Tangram 5/80 Live in Brussels 13.10.80 10/13/80 Soundtrack for Fantasy 11/ 5/80 Santa Monica, California 11/22/80 (2 CD Set) 11/22/80 Absolutely Hypnotized! (4/2/75 & 2/7/81) 2/ 7/81 Pyramid Dreams 2/ 7/81 Transfer Blue Night 2/ 8/81 Thief (Soundtrack) 4/81 Exit 9/81 Brington Dome Theater (2 CD Set) 10/11/81 Space & Spheres 10/25/81 Fractal Realities in a Shattered Plane 1/ 3/82 White Eagle 1/82 Dreaming 2/ 2/82 The Real Sohoman (2 CD Set) 2/22/82 Leprous Appearance On Wednesday 2/24/82 Ratikon 3/ 1/82 Logos 11/ 6/82 Dominion London Live (2 CD Set) 11/ 6/82 Logostype 11/15/82 The Dream Is Not Always The Same (76/80/82) ?/82 The New Soldier (Soundtrack Rip) ?/82 Fassbinder Memorial Concert 6/11/83 Hyperborea 8/83 Risky Business (Soundtrack) 12/83 The Keep (Blue Moon) ?/83 Wavelength (Soundtrack) ?/83 Firestarter (Soundtrack) 7/84 Poland (2 CD Set) 10/84 Flashpoint (Soundtrack) 2/85 Le Parc 8/85 Dream Sequence (2 CD Set) 11/85 Forbidden (Soundtrack Rip) ?/85 Heartbreakers (Soundtrack) ?/85 The Park Is Mine (Soundtrack) 1/ 3/86 Timeless Space (2 CD Set) 3/27/86 Nachtmusik 3/29/86 3-Tier Dream (3 CD Set) 3/31/86 3-Tier Dream On! 3/31/86 Parisian Dreams 3/31/86 Legend Boot 4/86 Legend (Soundtrack) 5/86 Sonambulistic Imagery (2 CD Set) 6/6/86 Nectarine Nightmare (2 CD Set) 6/13/86 Underwater Sunlight 7/86 Tyger 6/87 20th Century Serenades 8/1/87 Antarktis 8/1/87 Three O'Clock High (Soundtrack) 10/87 Canyon Dreams ?/87 Near Dark (Soundtrack) 2/88 Livemiles 4/88 Shy People (Soundtrack) 7/88 Ardem-O 8/29/88 Collected Endings 8/29/88 Sound and Effects 9/ 7/88 Spherical Harmonics (2 CD Set) 9/ 9/88 Bourbon Street Atari Party (2 CD Set) 9/16/88 Optical Limits ?/88 Optical Race 2/89 Miracle Mile (Soundtrack) 7/89 Destination Berlin 12/89 Lily on the Beach 12/89 Catch Me If You Can (Soundtrack) ?/89 70/90 --/90 Melrose 10/90 In Den Garten Pharaos/Bicycle Race 11/ 6/90 Dead Solid Perfect (Soundtrack) 3/91 Rare Trax 1 --/91 L'Affaire Wallraff-The Man Inside (Soundtrack) ?/91 Rockoon 2/92 Prayer of Quiet Dreams --/92 Dreaming On Danforth Avenue 10/ 4/92 220 Volt 10/25/92 Ventura 1992 (2 CD Set) 11/1/92 Deadly Care (Soundtrack) 12/92 The Private Music of Tangerine Dream ?/92 Dream Music 3/93 Mystery Tracks --/93 Alien Air Music ?/93 Crazy For Dream ?/93 The Complete Works of The Keep ?/93 Tangents (5 CD Set) 10/94 Turn of the Tides 11/94 Sol Et Luna - Mystery Tracks Vol II ?/94 Tyranny of Beauty 4/95 Live Los Angeles 1995 7/12/95 Dream Mixes (TDI 2 CD Set) 8/95 Book of Dreams (2 CD Set) ?/95 Atmospherics ?/95 Dream Music 2 ?/95 Rare Trax 2 ?/95 Rumpelstiltskin (Soundtrack) ?/95 Zoning 1987 ?/95 Goblin's Club 5/96 Dream Roots Collection (5 CD Set) ?/96 Soundtrax ?/96 Zoning (Soundtrack) ?/96 Limited World Tour Edition 1997 3/97 A'dam Eve (2 CD Set) 4/20/97 Dream Tales 2.0 4/23/97 Tournado 6/97 Warsawa Wita Was 6/13/97 The Keep (TDI) 10/29/97 Ambient Monkeys 10/29/97 Timesquare 10/29/97 Persistance of Vision (3 CD Set) 11/ 6/97 Dream tales ?/97 Forgotten Dreams ?/97 Oasis ?/97 Pyramid Dreams 2 (Unknown Recording Date) ?/97 Singles and Other Songs ?/97 Radio Eins Electrobeats 2/ 1/98 Electronic Orgy (4 CD Set) -/98 Traumzeit (2 CD Set) -/98 Ca Va-Ca Marche-Ca Ira Encore (DD Silver Disc) 6/ 7/98 Atlantic Bridges 7/14/98 Atlantic Walls 7/14/98 Dream Encores 7/14/98 The Hollywood Years pt. 1 7/14/98 The Hollywood Years pt. 2 7/14/98 Quinoa Extended 7/14/98 Transsiberia 7/14/98 Sea of Dreams (6 CD Set) 11/13/98 Real Dream Encores (3 CD Set) 11/17/98 Sea of Dreams (MP3 *Edited to include Video*) 12/98 Risky Business - The Audio Movie Kit (2 CD Set) ?/98 The Risky Business - Complete Works (4 CD Set) ?/98 Valentine Wheels 4/16/99 Sohoman 4/20/99 Tangerine Dream Disky -/99 Per Ardua ad Astra (2 CD Set) 6/12/99 Mars Polaris 7/27/99 Sonic Render Throbbing Up Polyphony Score 8/31/99 Above Purple Fears Unknown From: Steven Feldman Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 12:59 am Subject: Such a sad story... Hi All, This is off-topic bigtime, but for all of you who have received junk mails from so-called dying children who need donations to secure medical treatment, this ought to be entertaining: -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + From: bugguy@w... Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:12:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Such a sad story... read the whole thing - you won't be disappointed! Message-ID: <26127-389AFA6E-2461@s...> Urgent Plea! I know you all are very caring people: I am a very sick boy little boy. My mother is typing this for me, because I can't. She is crying. Don't cry, Mommy! Mommy is always sad, but she says it's not my fault. I asked her if it was God's fault, but she didn't answer, and only started crying harder, so I don't ask her that anymore. The reason she is so sad is that I'm so sick. I was born without a body. It doesn't hurt, except when I go to sleep. The doctors gave me an artificial body. My body is a burlap bag filled with leaves. The doctors said that was the best they could do on account of us havin' no money or insurance. I would like to have a body transplant, but we need more money. Mommy doesn't work because she said employers don't hire crying people. I said, 'Don't cry, Mommy,' and she hugged my burlap body. Mommy always gives me hugs, even though she's allergic to burlap, and it chafes her real bad. I hope you will help me. You can help me if you forward this e-mail. Dr. Van Nostrem from the clinic said if you forward this e-mail then Bill Gates will team up with AOL and do a survey with NASA. Then the astronauts will collect prayers from school children all over America and take them up to space so that the angels can hear them better. Then they will go to the Pope, and he will take up a collection in church and send the money to the doctors. The doctors could help me better then. Maybe one day I will be able to play baseball. Or maybe just use my lungs and heart, when the doctors make them. The doctors said that every time you forward this letter, the astronauts can take another prayer to the angels. Please help me. Mommy is so sad, and I want a body. I don't want my leaves to rot before I turn 10. If you don't forward this e-mail, that's OK. Mommy says you're a mean heartless shithead who doesn't care about a poor little boy with only a head. She says that if you don't stew in the raw pit of your own guilt-ridden stomach, she hopes you die a long slow horrible death so you can burn forever in hell. What kind of ***damned person are you that you can't take five f**king minutes to forward this to all your friends so that they can feel guilt and shame for the rest of their day, and then maybe help a poor, bodiless nine-year-old boy? Please help me. This really sucks. I try to be happy but it's hard. I wish I had a puppy. I wish I could hold a puppy. Thank You. Billy 'Smiles' Evans, the boy with just a head. And a burlap sack for a body. http://community-1.webtv.net/bugguy2/BUTTERFLYANDINSECT/ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 1:33 am Subject: Ultima Thule / complete TD listing >I also really like Alpha Centauri, especially Fly and Collision which is of course a re_record of Ultima Thule. Really?!?!! I always wondered what Ultima Thule sounded like. Is Comas Sola exactly the same as Ultime Thule? I mean, like the two Fly and Collision parts divided? By the way, I like Alpha too. It's my favourite of the pink years. And I don't consider GD, as it's heavily tangentized. ------------------------------ >Don't worry about posting bootlegs on the list. It is fine. I'd like to >see such a complete chronological list posted, myself. You will probably >find one on someone's site- just go to the link listed below and click on >'Members' Sites', or move your mouse around the main graphic on the main >page. > >joe Some people including myself has the super-duper-complete Dave Datta's discography, but unfortunately it's an old discog., it stopps with Dream Mixes. ------------------------------ gfj Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 3:07 am Subject: TDI Update Guys! The TDI site is just updated with news......among other things, there are also the soundclips of Soundmill Navigator....fantastic stuff.....just the bits of that showed there's no 'Tangentization'.... it should be THE hot stuff of all forthcoming TD......8-) Jeffrey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20747 Re: TDI Update Gabe Yedid Sun 2/6/2000 2 KB 20767 TDI Update Sean Montgomery Mon 2/7/2000 3 KB 20772 Re: TDI Update Marcel Engels Mon 2/7/2000 2 KB 20778 Re: TDI Update Gabe Yedid Tue 2/8/2000 3 KB 20779 Re: TDI Update Sean Montgomery Tue 2/8/2000 3 KB 20810 Re: TDI Update tom george Wed 2/9/2000 1 KB 20811 Re: TDI Update Quarlie@a... Wed 2/9/2000 1 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 3:59 am Subject: RE: TDI Update TANG-GO Hmmm...Info Tang-go as well... What is the track VELVET SUN? A new one? MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Au Yeung [mailto:220Volt@i...] > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 9:07 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] TDI Update > > > From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> > > Guys! > > The TDI site is just updated with news......among other things, > there are also the soundclips of Soundmill Navigator....fantastic > stuff.....just the bits of that showed there's no > 'Tangentization'.... it should be THE hot stuff of all > forthcoming TD......8-) > > Jeffrey > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Finding a sweetheart is hard work. Shopping for one shouldn't be. > Click here for Valentine Surprises. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 6:23 am Subject: Ricochet SBM CD Hi all Just listened to the Ricochet SBM CD today, and wonder if anybody noticed and mentioned it before: part 2 had the initial drumstick-like sounds ERASED! I never noticed it until today. I also compared it with another non-SBM, 80s CD from France - the sounds were still there...what a shame...like what the MCA people did to the 'Grind' track of the Sorcerer US CD... Jeffrey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20752 Re: Ricochet SBM CD Gustavo Jobim Sun 2/6/2000 1 KB 20768 Re: Ricochet SBM CD Marcelo Gutierrez Mon 2/7/2000 1 KB From: Joel Mullen Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 6:23 am Subject: TDI Update-missing catalog numbers Hello all- Boy when TDI does an update they don't mess around do they? It seems like I can check the thing every day for a month or more and *nothing* and then all of a sudden there is so much to digest! Anyway TDI did not say anything about this, but if you look at the catalog numbers of the 'soon to be released' Tang-Go, Soundmill and Antique Dreams you see that it looks like TDI CD026,27 and 28 respectively. And with 'Wall of China' being TDI CD022 that leaves us with a 3 catalog number gap. (TDI CD023,24 and 25) Anybody want to bet against those three numbers representing the following titles---- Optical Race Lily on the Beach Melrose They are the remaining 3 'back catalog' items that have yet to surface. I was told back in the Dream Dice 1 era that these titles would see the light of day in Dream Dice 2. Which I am sure we will never see due to the public outcry of the 'Ream Dice' I wonder what the new covers will look like. And any bonus tracks. Always something to think about with TD! Later! Regards, Joel From: Quarlie@a... Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 8:58 am Subject: Re: World Without Rules In a message dated 2/5/00 4:35:54 PM, AOutland@a... writes: >And a masterpiece IMO. The whole album is like taking a trip around the >world with the final song ending as the album began, closing the circle. >I can't say enough good about this album. I like it too, so far. I don't know the whole thing very well yet (i.e., I can't necessarily call a track to mind based on its name), but the title track is just mind-blowing, and 'Monkey Brain Sushi' has a kind of crazy appeal. >Future Primitive was like a stepping stone to it. Yeah. I have no idea if this is true, but to me, it seems like with FP, he knew what he wanted to do, but he didn't quite know how to do it, and then with WWR he figured out exactly how. Meanwhile, in a message dated 2/5/00 5:40:30 PM, eloy-usa@a... writes: >personally i thought the cd sucked and sold it shortly after buying it. >i gave it one listen and out it went. i won't be buying anymore Haslinger >that is for sure. i just hate that pretencious world crap. To each his own, of course. But I feel that WWR is rather clever and uncliched, even if it can be called 'world beat,' or whatever the preferred term may be. Rather than aiming for the 'new age' Deep Forest crowd, Haslinger seems refreshingly unafraid to make a little noise (or a lot of noise, in the case of 'Monkey Brain Sushi'). I can't think of anything else that sounds like it. But again, to each his own--I don't want to sound as though I think your opinion is 'wrong.' --Daniel NP: Anubian Lights--Let Not the Flame Die Out From: Derk Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 11:03 am Subject: TDTV For the Dutch members: Showing this afternoon on SBS6 at 14.30 is Three O'Clock High, featuring the last (?) OST with Franke. Derk From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 12:24 pm Subject: Re : Tang-go Hi all, After a closer look, it seems that 'Tang-go' doesn't contain anything new, because 'Velvet Sun' is from 'The Hollywood Years Vol 2', and the live tracks are from 'Tournado' and 'Valentine Wheels'. Here's a summary of the albums that are represented, in order of appearance (by the way, has anyone noticed that there are two tracks dating from 1988 and 1989?) Dream Dice Bonus Silver (1998) The Hollywood Years Vol. 2 (1998) Dream Mixes II (1997) What a Blast/Architecture in Motion (1999) Valentine Wheels (1997) The Dream Mixes (1995) Optical Race (1988) Transsiberia (1998) Tyranny of Beauty (1995) Great Wall of China (2000) 220 Volt Live (1993) Tournado (1997) Mars Polaris (1999) Rockoon (1992) Lily on the Beach (1989) Melrose (1990). Just a cynical observation...how much was the Dream Dice box set that everyone had to have because it contained an exclusive CD... and now, two of the tracks are to be released on a compilation album... Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23141 Tang-go Paul Fellows Sun 7/2/2000 2 KB 23143 Re: Tang-go Vic Rek Sun 7/2/2000 2 KB From: 'Frank' Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 2:11 pm Subject: Voices In The Dune Fellow Dreamer's, I'm lacking the 'Voices In The Dune' book. Any of you interested in working something out or know how I might get a copy? I haven't seen one on eBay yet either. By the way, Heiko, I stand to be corrected. You did make a posting concerning 'Pergamon Day'. I missed it because your posting was made on Jan. 28th and not on the 31st. Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Sat Feb 5, 2000 6:28 pm Subject: What's your favourite sequence? >>>> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 08:27:05 +0000 (GMT) From: craig.cordrey@g... Subject: Re: Complete TD listing NP : Tournado (just got it last night). Features my all-time favourite sequence : that bit between 220 Volt and Firetongues. Even beats the bit out of LogoTypes I like. >>>>> That one minute bridge is blissful! The sounds, the rhythm, the chords are so TD-like. I wish it would be developed into a long track sometime. I heard it four times during the European tour and I was so happy that it came out on CD (if I hadn't liked the rest of the concert, I would have bought the CD just because of this bridge - excellent). >What's your favourite 'sequence'? My favourite sequence is the one in Silver scale and the Vermilion sands sequence (you can find it on 'The Park is Mine' soundtrack - track #4 Taking the Park Part2 and played during the 1986 tour, Jerome included it on his Electrobeats show). Pal From: Steven Feldman Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 5:24 pm Subject: A Non-glitched 'Tutankhama' on TANG-GO? Let's Hope So! >Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 13:24:39 +0100 >Subject: Re: [tadream] Re : Tang-go >From: Tangerine Dream mailing list >Really-From: Paul Fellows > >[. . .] it seems that 'Tang-go' doesn't contain anything new [. . .] >Here's a summary of the albums that are represented [. . .] > >Dream Dice Bonus Silver (1998) Ah! 'Ca Va - Ca Marche - Ca Ira Encore' and 'Tutankhama'! Great! These two tracks are great! I sure to shit hope that Ed fixed the two skips in 'Tutankhama' (which occur at the 1:40 mark and 4:36 mark) on the DREAM DICE BONUS SILVER disc, because this is a great track. >The Hollywood Years Vol. 2 (1998) Why 'Velvet Sun'? 'In the Distant Shore' is far and away the best track on this disc. And where the hell is 'Propeller Beach' from THE HOLLYWOOD YEARS VOL. 1 on this collection? >Dream Mixes II (1997) Groan. We get 'Pixel Pirates,' 'TimeSquare,' and 'Mobocaster,' but no 'Digital Sister'? Bru-therrrr! :( ;) >Valentine Wheels (1997) Why inflict any of this album's content on anyone else? Groan. >The Dream Mixes (1995) Where are 'Rough Embrace,' 'Change of the Gods,' 'Catwalk (Black Ink Mix),' and 'Touchwood (Poison Byte Mix)'??? >Transsiberia (1998) As with VALENTINE WHEELS, why inflict this on anyone else? >Great Wall of China (2000) Good thing they put 'Meng Tian' on this compilation, since it's the only really good track on the entirety of THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA. >220 Volt Live (1993) Okay, so we've got '220 Volt.' Where's 'Hamlet' and 'Backstreet Hero'?!?!?!?!?!?!?! This *is* a 'best of' compilation, right?!?!?!?! >Tournado (1997) Like VALENTINE WHEELS and TRANSSIBERIA, another waste of space. I guess we should be thankful that there's nothing from AMBIENT MONKEYS on here, though. ;) >Mars Polaris (1999) Good to see 'Outland' here, but 'Spiral Star Date'? Why? Why not 'Comet's Figure Head,' 'Pilots of the Ether Belt,' or 'Astrophobia'?!?! >Rockoon (1992) 'Lifted Veil'? They're kidding, right? Please, somebody tell me they're kidding: this is one of TD's all-time stinkers -- or, at least, in the Top Twenty of their stinkers. >Lily on the Beach (1989) 'Too Hot for My Chinchilla'? Hoo-boy. :( >Just a cynical observation...how much was the Dream Dice box set that >everyone had to have because it contained an exclusive CD... and now, >two of the tracks are to be released on a compilation album... The two best, mind you. It'll be worth it, if not excusable, if the two glitches on 'Tutankhama' are fixed, though!!!!!!!! :) :) :) >Paul -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - ar402004@b... [ElectronicMusic@o..., 6/27/99] said: 'Live, Tangerine Dream is the electronic equivalent of Millie Vanilli.' DaNo [ElectronicMusic@o..., 6/27/99] rejoined: 'Finally, someone who puts it into perspective no one can deny.' Ho ho. From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 6:52 pm Subject: Re: TDI Update On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Jeffrey Au Yeung wrote: > From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> > > Guys! > > The TDI site is just updated with news......among other things, there are also the soundclips of Soundmill Navigator....fantastic stuff.....just the bits of that showed there's no 'Tangentization'.... it should be THE hot stuff of all forthcoming TD......8-) > > Jeffrey What stood out to me is that there is a 'Dream Mixes 3' on the way... This is just my little wish, but personally, what I'd like to see is the following: --a 3 disc set --disc 1: the standard technofied remixes of stuff from TD's past few albums, with 3 or 4 new tracks. --disc 2: techno remixes of '70s and '80s stuff (!) --disc 3: retro-ified mixes of '90s TD tracks on '70s and '80s equipment (!!) Personally I think something could be done with 'Little Blonde...' and Exit-era gear. cheers, Gabe From: 'Jared White' Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 7:17 pm Subject: Dream Mixes III !!! WAHOO! Yippy! Hip Hip Horay! Huzzah! Yes YeS YES!!! WOWEE!!! I'm excited. Jared P. S. I find it interesting that while everyone's talking about everything from Soundmill Navigator to Tang-Go (rah....), so far I've heard absolutely NO mention of what's possibly the most exciting news from TDI in some time: Jerome's start of Dream Mixes 3, with a super-secret track listing. Hmm.... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 3:10 am Subject: Little observation I've been heavily into Tyranny lately, but now I'm playing that Towards the Evening Star someone uploaded as Christmas gift or something. Have you ever noticed how strange those 'woummmm' sounds from Catwalk, Birdwatcher's Dream and the 'mmmmaeôh mmmmaeôh' 'lyrics' from Evening Star are? It sounds like TD was trying to do some sort of worldmusic-y kind of music... They're good tracks, anyway. But where's the Evening Star in the Towards the Evening Star Remix by The Orb, that was uploaded with the original version? Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20753 Re: Little observation David Foster Sun 2/6/2000 2 KB 20756 Re: Little observation Quarlie@a... Mon 2/7/2000 1 KB 20757 Re: Little observation Greg Mon 2/7/2000 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 2:39 am Subject: Sad story / Hyperborea >Hi All, > This is off-topic bigtime, but for all of you who have received >junk mails from so-called dying children who need donations to secure >medical treatment, this ought to be entertaining: > > -- Steven Feldman (.....) What's his address? I think I'll send him money. :) --------- >Hey, > >Is there a link between TD's Hyberborea and the Conan saga, in which a country (or 'realm') is named Hyperborea? > >all the best, >Glenn Just the same source, the European mythology. gfj Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 2:36 am Subject: Silver Scale You know, since I subscribed the list around Sept.1999 (it was during Alpha Centauri discussion week), I've read you talking about Silver Scale, 'what a great track' and other opinions like that. Do you mind giving some more info? Where did it come from? Tangents? And I'd like to listen to this track. Can anyone send me a 112 or 128 kb MP3? Thanks I.A., gfj Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20755 Re: Silver Scale John Marchington Sun 2/6/2000 2 KB 20759 Re: Silver Scale Heiko Heerßen Mon 2/7/2000 1 KB 20769 Re: Silver Scale Sean Montgomery Mon 2/7/2000 1 KB 20777 Silver Scale James Horecka, AIA Tue 2/8/2000 1 KB 20851 Re: Silver Scale Chris Richards Fri 2/11/2000 1 KB 20924 Silver Scale Frank Thu 2/17/2000 1 KB 36016 Silver Scale Morgan Feldon feldon23 Mon 9/9/2002 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 8:31 pm Subject: Re: Ricochet SBM CD >Hi all > >Just listened to the Ricochet SBM CD today, and wonder if anybody noticed and mentioned it before: part 2 had the initial drumstick-like sounds ERASED! I never noticed it until today. I also compared it with another non-SBM, 80s CD from France - the sounds were still there...what a shame...like what the MCA people did to the 'Grind' track of the Sorcerer US CD... > >Jeffrey Really? Damn. The only Ricochet copy I have is exactly the SBM version. Maybe I'll try to find the vinyl for sale somewhere. Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 8:45 pm Subject: Re: Little observation Hi Gustavo I agree there does not sound like much Evening Star in the The Orb remix. But I think it is a great track. Perhaps TD could remix that and turn it into something completely different! David Foster fozdg@d... ----- Original Message ----- From: Gustavo Jobim To: Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 3:10 AM Subject: [tadream] Little observation > From: Gustavo Jobim > > I've been heavily into Tyranny lately, but now I'm playing that Towards the > Evening Star someone uploaded as Christmas gift or something. > > Have you ever noticed how strange those 'woummmm' sounds from Catwalk, > Birdwatcher's Dream and the 'mmmmaeôh mmmmaeôh' 'lyrics' from Evening Star > are? > > It sounds like TD was trying to do some sort of worldmusic-y kind of music... > > They're good tracks, anyway. > > But where's the Evening Star in the Towards the Evening Star Remix by The > Orb, that was uploaded with the original version? > > Gustavo F. Jobim > gustavfj@m... > gustavofj@h... > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Body Paint, Chocolates, & Roses Oh My. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 9:12 pm Subject: Tripping with Central Park Picture yourself driving your car at 100 km/h in the streets of New York near the Central Park with Central Park (New York) being played out loud... Very nice track, very well-done. One of the great TD classics. Too bad it's only 3:42 long, but I can't imagine it any longer. gfj np Gaudi Park, another great music. Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 10:12 pm Subject: Re: Silver Scale Yes, it's from the 'Tangents' box; track 9 on the fifth CD (Previously Unreleased Material). Actually, I think it bears a strong resemblance to the 'Church Theme' from 'Wavelength'. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gustavo Jobim To: Sent: Sunday, 6 February 2000 03:36 Subject: [tadream] Silver Scale > From: Gustavo Jobim > > You know, since I subscribed the list around Sept.1999 (it was during Alpha > Centauri discussion week), I've read you talking about Silver Scale, 'what > a great track' and other opinions like that. > > Do you mind giving some more info? Where did it come from? Tangents? > And I'd like to listen to this track. Can anyone send me a 112 or 128 kb MP3? > > Thanks I.A., > gfj > > Gustavo F. Jobim > gustavfj@m... > gustavofj@h... > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Love. Relationships? E - Commerce! > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: Quarlie@a... Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 3:06 am Subject: Re: Little observation In a message dated 2/6/00 3:13:03 PM, gustavfj@m... writes: >But where's the Evening Star in the Towards the Evening Star Remix by The >Orb, that was uploaded with the original version? One of the drum tracks from the original shows up in the remix, but that's the only similarity I could detect. This is, of course, standard procedure for the Orb. ;) --Daniel NP: Intermix--Future Primitives From: 'Greg' Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 6:23 am Subject: Re: Little observation ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Little observation > From: Quarlie@a... > > In a message dated 2/6/00 3:13:03 PM, gustavfj@m... writes: > > >But where's the Evening Star in the Towards the Evening Star Remix by The > >Orb, that was uploaded with the original version? > > One of the drum tracks from the original shows up in the remix, but that's > the only similarity I could detect. This is, of course, standard procedure > for the Orb. ;) > > --Daniel > NP: Intermix--Future Primitives I love the Orb remix, but yes all it has basically is the drumming pattern of the original. There could be other simularities but I can't imagine the Orb sampling TD's work although I'm sure they had access to a HQ copy of the original recording when they were commisioned. To think TD didn't know this was status quo with the Orb and their remixes is sort of odd but I don't really mind because I think it's a great song in itself. The remix might not be technically a rearangement of the original musical parts, but a stylistic or emotional remix. I think Orb understands and uses the full sense of the word 'remix'. Greg H. NP: Vampire Killer From: Joel Mullen Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 7:13 am Subject: Nik Turner Hello all- Did Nik Turner ever do anything after the initial association with TD? How about all the other 'missing in action' players. It would be nice if some of us could do a quick 'where are they now' for all the more obscure former 'members' (using the term very loosely or as Edgar would prefer 'Guests') Regards, Joel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20760 Re: Nik Turner Nick Adams Mon 2/7/2000 1 KB 20761 Re: Nik Turner Michael A Jean Mon 2/7/2000 2 KB 20762 Re: Nik Turner Bert.Hulshoff@N... Mon 2/7/2000 3 KB 20764 Re: Nik Turner Bert.Hulshoff@N... Mon 2/7/2000 4 KB From: 'Heiko Heerßen' Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 7:50 am Subject: Re: Silver Scale Gustavo Jobim wrote: > You know, since I subscribed the list around Sept.1999 (it was during Alpha > Centauri discussion week), I've read you talking about Silver Scale, 'what > a great track' and other opinions like that. > Do you mind giving some more info? Where did it come from? Tangents? Gustavo, 'Silver scale' was first to be heard on the 'Wavelength' album but has been a part of TD's live tours from late 1980 to early 1981. It was the opener for the 2nd set (40+ minutes) and this title did go on for about 20 minutes, incl. some other fast sequences (one was later re-recorded and issued as 'Horns of doom' on a cassette in 1986). It was also released on the 'Tangents' box (10+ minutes, and a little bit 'tangentized'). Heiko From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 2:16 pm Subject: Re: Nik Turner > From: Joel Mullen > Did Nik Turner ever do anything after the initial association with TD? > How about all the other 'missing in action' players. It would be nice > if some of us could do a quick 'where are they now' for all the more > obscure former 'members' (using the term very loosely or as Edgar would > prefer 'Guests') Joel, Forgive me if you already know this, ( but just in case you don't ) Nik Turner was part of Hawkwind during the seventies, during his time with them, they did some fantastic Music imo, and indeed continue to do so after he left, he also released a few solo albums. Nick NP Thirsty Moon / Thirsty Moon Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 2:56 pm Subject: RE: Nik Turner Presumably this is the same Nik Turner who is associated with HAWKWIND, CHROME, PRESSUREHEAD, and SPHYNX. I believe he also had two CDS on Cleopatra: Sphynx 1993 and Prophets of Time 1994. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Mullen [mailto:joelm@p...] > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 1:14 AM > To: 'tadream@o...' > Subject: [tadream] Nik Turner > > > From: Joel Mullen > > Hello all- > > Did Nik Turner ever do anything after the initial association with TD? > How about all the other 'missing in action' players. It would be nice > if some of us could do a quick 'where are they now' for all the more > obscure former 'members' (using the term very loosely or as Edgar would > prefer 'Guests') > > > Regards, > > Joel > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > eGroups' Valentine's Day Gift Guide - Shop Here Now: > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 3:18 pm Subject: RE: Nik Turner And two live albums, as NIK TURNER'S Hawkwind Experience. On those albums there where ex-Hawkwind members , members of Pressurehead and Helios Creed. Nik Turner had also founded the punkgroup Innercity Unit. Nik's album Sphynx from 1993 was an remake of an earlier album called Xintoday. (i think) on the first edition there was also Steve Hillage and Tim Blake of Gong. On the new edition there were members of Pressurehead and Helios Creed. Greetings Bert > ---------- > From: Michael A Jean[SMTP:michaeljean@e...] > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 15:56 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: RE: [tadream] Nik Turner > > From: 'Michael A Jean' > > Presumably this is the same Nik Turner who is associated with HAWKWIND, > CHROME, PRESSUREHEAD, and SPHYNX. I believe he also had two CDS on > Cleopatra: Sphynx 1993 and Prophets of Time 1994. > > MJ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joel Mullen [mailto:joelm@p...] > > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 1:14 AM > > To: 'tadream@o...' > > Subject: [tadream] Nik Turner > > > > > > From: Joel Mullen > > > > Hello all- > > > > Did Nik Turner ever do anything after the initial association with TD? > > How about all the other 'missing in action' players. It would be nice > > if some of us could do a quick 'where are they now' for all the more > > obscure former 'members' (using the term very loosely or as Edgar would > > prefer 'Guests') > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Joel > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > eGroups' Valentine's Day Gift Guide - Shop Here Now: > > Click > Here > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Valentine's Day Shopping Made Simple. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at > http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: 'joe shoults' Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 3:20 pm Subject: OT: Ozric Tentacles upcoming UK tour dates FYI: For those of you who don't know about Ozric Tentacles, if you have any chance AT ALL to see them, DIVE at the opportunity! OZRIC TENTACLES UK TOUR DATES 12/2. Aberdeen - Lemon Tree 13/2. Edinburgh - Venue 14/2. York - Fibbers 15/2. Wrexham - Central Station 16/2. Ashton-u-Lyme - Witchwood 17/2. Hull - Wellington Club 18/2. Derby - Flowerpot 19/2. Devizes - Corn Exchange 20/2. OFF 21/2. Chelmsford - Army & Navy 22/2. Cheltenham - Axiom Centre 23/2. Sheffield - Boardwalk 24/2. Coventry - Planet 25/2. Norwich - Fat Pauly¹s 26/2. TBA 27/2. Brighton - Concorde This addendum: A new date has been confirmed on the Ozric Tentacles UK tour: [date??]. The White Horse, 95 West Wycombe Road, High Wycombe, Bucks tel & b/o. 01494-527 672 Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20765 Re: OT: Ozric Tentacles upcoming UK tour dates Jim Moore Mon 2/7/2000 1 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 3:22 pm Subject: RE: Nik Turner And I forgot to mention the Annubian Nights album Great Ambient stuff with oriental influences Bert > ---------- > From: Bert.Hulshoff@N...[SMTP:Bert.Hulshoff@N...] > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 16:18 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: RE: [tadream] Nik Turner > > From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... > > And two live albums, as NIK TURNER'S Hawkwind Experience. > On those albums there where ex-Hawkwind members , members of Pressurehead > and Helios Creed. > Nik Turner had also founded the punkgroup Innercity Unit. > > Nik's album Sphynx from 1993 was an remake of an earlier album called > Xintoday. (i think) > on the first edition there was also Steve Hillage and Tim Blake of Gong. > On the new edition there were members of Pressurehead and Helios Creed. > > > > Greetings > Bert > > > ---------- > > From: Michael A Jean[SMTP:michaeljean@e...] > > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 15:56 > > To: tadream@o... > > Subject: RE: [tadream] Nik Turner > > > > From: 'Michael A Jean' > > > > Presumably this is the same Nik Turner who is associated with HAWKWIND, > > CHROME, PRESSUREHEAD, and SPHYNX. I believe he also had two CDS on > > Cleopatra: Sphynx 1993 and Prophets of Time 1994. > > > > MJ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Joel Mullen [mailto:joelm@p...] > > > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 1:14 AM > > > To: 'tadream@o...' > > > Subject: [tadream] Nik Turner > > > > > > > > > From: Joel Mullen > > > > > > Hello all- > > > > > > Did Nik Turner ever do anything after the initial association with TD? > > > How about all the other 'missing in action' players. It would be nice > > > if some of us could do a quick 'where are they now' for all the more > > > obscure former 'members' (using the term very loosely or as Edgar > would > > > prefer 'Guests') > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Joel > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > > > > > eGroups' Valentine's Day Gift Guide - Shop Here Now: > > > Click > > Here > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > > > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > > > > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find > > > out at http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > Valentine's Day Shopping Made Simple. > > Click > Here > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at > > http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Love. Relationships? E - Commerce! > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please practice listserv etiquette. To unsubscribe, e-mail > tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > What are Chris Franke and Paul Haslinger up to these days? Find out at > http://www.haslinger.com and http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/! > From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 3:48 pm Subject: Re: OT: Ozric Tentacles upcoming UK tour dates > From: 'joe shoults' > > FYI: > For those of you who don't know about Ozric Tentacles, if you have any > chance AT ALL to see them, DIVE at the opportunity! > > OZRIC TENTACLES UK TOUR DATES I'll second that! They were in Atlanta last fall and gave an awesome show! Get ready to do some serious *moshing*... - jim From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 5:36 pm Subject: Re: World Without Rules > personally i thought the cd sucked and sold it shortly after buying it. i > gave it one listen and out it went. i won't be buying anymore Haslinger > that is for sure. i just hate that pretencious world crap. Well, it's all a matter of taste, I suppose. I don't find Paul's take on world music to be pretentious at all. I think that the music of different cultures has much to offer in terms of different sounds, rhythms, and ideas...especially since western pop music has become so boring now. This is much the same thing that keyboards did for music twenty-five years ago. And it's no surprise that innovative musicians like David Byrne and Peter Gabriel were among the first to borrow from world music. Paul is finding ways to meld the electronic *and* the ethinc, and while I would agree that others have done it better (Loop Guru, Transglobal Underground, Single Gun Theory), I like what he does too. I also find Score to be his most diverse and mature album to date. But that's just me. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 6:06 pm Subject: TDI Update I too as taken aback by the volume of new info that TDI just added to the webpage. Well, where to start? Soundmill Navigator - Certainly sounds like the real (un-Tangentized) deal...but then, I thought the same thing about Sohoman when I heard the clip from that one. So I think I'll wait until others have had a chance to hear the whole disc before I make a decision about whether to buy it. And oh lordy, another ugly fractal cover. Is this supposed to remind us of the Laserium effects of their 70s shows? These covers are all so interchangeable and dull. They say nothing about the album contents, and set no mood (other than, 'ooh...computer graphics, these guys are so high-tech'). I know, I know...I've said it before, blah blah blah. So...Tang-go is an official release after all. Man, that's an even worse pun than 'Tournado'. I suppose the appearance of the two Dream Dice tracks will rope a few people into buying it. I won't be one of them. Even as a 'best of', it falls a bit short, omitting most of best tracks from the 90s (I agree with most of your picks, Stephen). Dream Mixes 3, huh? Sounds good, although it'd be nice if they could put the same energy and bounce into the original songs, instead of selling them to us a second time a year later. It'd be nice if Jerome would delve deeper into TD's back catalogue, but somehow I don't see that happening. I predict more remixes of TDI era stuff only. (another remix of Towards the Evening Star, perhaps?) > They are the remaining 3 'back catalog' items that have > yet to surface. I was told back in the Dream Dice 1 era > that these titles would see the light of day in Dream Dice 2. > Which I am sure we will never see due to the public outcry > of the 'Ream Dice' Don't be so sure. After all, people bought Dream Dice. People bought the Valentine Wheels booster. They bought the Great Wall of China package. As long as that continues to be the case, I wouldn't count DD2 out. In fact, what if they were to announce that Antique Dreams had been expanded to 4 discs, but you could only get disks 2-4 in a DD2 box? How many of us would break down and get it? Bwah ha ha...I should go work for TDI! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20772 Re: TDI Update Marcel Engels Mon 2/7/2000 2 KB 20778 Re: TDI Update Gabe Yedid Tue 2/8/2000 3 KB 20779 Re: TDI Update Sean Montgomery Tue 2/8/2000 3 KB 20810 Re: TDI Update tom george Wed 2/9/2000 1 KB 20811 Re: TDI Update Quarlie@a... Wed 2/9/2000 1 KB From: Marcelo Gutierrez Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 5:50 pm Subject: Re: Ricochet SBM CD Hi all Are you saying that 'Grind' on the record is different than the CD version? I must check this out! Marcelo > Hi all > > Just listened to the Ricochet SBM CD today, and wonder if anybody noticed and mentioned it before: part 2 had the initial drumstick-like sounds ERASED! I never noticed it until today. I also compared it with another non-SBM, 80s CD from France - the sounds were still there...what a shame...like what the MCA people did to the 'Grind' track of the Sorcerer US CD... > > Jeffrey > From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 6:09 pm Subject: Re: Silver Scale > Yes, it's from the 'Tangents' box; track 9 on the fifth CD (Previously > Unreleased Material). Actually, I think it bears a strong resemblance to the > 'Church Theme' from 'Wavelength'. That's because Church Theme *is* the beginning of Silver Scale...it was probably taken right from a soundboard recording of a 1980 concert. Clips from the 1980 'Pergamon' show were used on Wavelength too. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Jared White' Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 6:02 pm Subject: Silver Scale + Hyperborea > From: 'Heiko Heerßen' > > Gustavo, > 'Silver scale' was first to be heard on the 'Wavelength' album but has been a part > of TD's live tours from late 1980 to early 1981. It was the opener for the 2nd set > (40+ minutes) and this title did go on for about 20 minutes, incl. some other fast sequences > (one was later re-recorded and issued as 'Horns of doom' on a cassette in 1986). > It was also released on the 'Tangents' box (10+ minutes, and a little bit 'tangentized'). And, of course, there's Silver Scale on Valentine Wheels, which is the easiest to obtain and the only place I've heard it so far because I haven't gotten into the bootlegs world yet. How close is the VW version to the original, or the Tangents version? Man, I love that sequence -- CF using a trill technique on the sequencer (I don't know *how* he did it exactly because I don't have any analog sequencers in my collection...yet...) in that spot is incredibly effective. Has anyone heard any other pieces with that trick? BTW, just got Hyperborea. WOW!!! This is an INCREDIBLE album! Boy, it makes White Eagle, and especially Exit totally pale in comparison. I think Tangram, this, and Poland might be the top three Schmoelling-era albums of all time in my book (I'll reserve final judgement until I get Le Parc). Take care, Jared Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20774 Re: Silver Scale + Hyperborea Jens Peschke Mon 2/7/2000 1 KB 20775 Re: Silver Scale + Hyperborea Marcel Engels Mon 2/7/2000 1 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 6:12 pm Subject: Orb remix of Towards the Evening Star > One of the drum tracks from the original shows up in the remix, but that's > the only similarity I could detect. This is, of course, standard procedure > for the Orb. ;) Partially true...but I have their 'Aunty Aubrey' 2 CD set of remixes, and some songs are left somewhat intact. I think it may have a lot to do with their interest in/respect for the source material, and in the case of TtES, I think they made a face when they heard it and decided to just submit one of their own songs. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20773 Re: Orb remix of Towards the Evening Star David Foster Mon 2/7/2000 1 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 8:10 pm Subject: RE: TDI Update > From: Sean Montgomery > > Soundmill Navigator - Certainly sounds like the real (un-Tangentized) > deal...but then, I thought the same thing about Sohoman when I heard the > clip from that one. So I think I'll wait until others have had a chance > to hear the whole disc before I make a decision about whether to buy it. > And oh lordy, another ugly fractal cover. Is this supposed to remind us > of the Laserium effects of their 70s shows? These covers are all so > interchangeable and dull. They say nothing about the album contents, and > set no mood (other than, 'ooh...computer graphics, these guys are so > high-tech'). I know, I know...I've said it before, blah blah blah. Yes, it sounds real. Haven't heard the tape in a while, so I don't know anymore. It sounds as if there is some effect over it, but could well be that it is also in the tape. The cover isn't exactly very pretty no...especially knowing what kind of covers can be done (some great covers by Monique) Would be nice to see a picture (or some distorted one??) of that particular show...:-) But thats up to them. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'David Foster' Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 8:25 pm Subject: Re: Orb remix of Towards the Evening Star Re the point made by Sean Montgomery I do not want to turn this into an Orb page, but has anyone heard .... I am told by a friend who is into the Orb and TD that J M Jarre sent them something to remix and they refused. The next thing they did was called Toxygene!.... David fozdg@d... From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 9:09 pm Subject: Re: Silver Scale + Hyperborea > From: 'Jared White' > Man, I love that sequence -- CF using a trill technique on the sequencer (I don't know *how* he > did it exactly because I don't have any analog sequencers in my collection...yet...) in that > spot is incredibly effective. Those are called 'sequencer rolls' (TM). >Has anyone heard any other pieces with that trick? Easy: Diamond Diary by TD. Others are using that trick as well like Lambert Ringlage (he might be even on the list ?) for example. IIRC the Roland MC202 Microcomposer, a two line analogue thingy based on the SH-101 does the trick. It can be done with an ARP 2600 sequencer as well, but not exactly like the MC202. Hope this helps Jens From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 9:44 pm Subject: RE: Silver Scale + Hyperborea > >Has anyone heard any other pieces with that trick? > Easy: Diamond Diary by TD. Exactly. And I even recall he using it on Poland. > Others are using that trick as well like Lambert Ringlage (he > might be even > on the list ?) for example. > IIRC the Roland MC202 Microcomposer, a two line analogue thingy > based on the SH-101 does the trick. I always thought he fooled around with an fx processor for that fx. Delay full and delay none or something like that...simple with a switch. But I doubt he used and MC202 on Silver Scale. Now that would be something...most people see the big Moog/PPG and believe that the sequences are done with them and they were actually done on a very small MC202...:-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'Glenn Folkvord (JMJ FKN)' Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 10:17 pm Subject: SV: Orb remix of Towards the Evening Star >From: 'David Foster' >I do not want to turn this into an Orb page, but has anyone heard .... I am >told by a friend who is into the Orb and TD that J M Jarre sent them >something to remix and they refused. The next thing they did was called >Toxygene!.... Actually, The Orb *did* remix Oxygene part 8 but the result was so far from what JMJ wanted that he refused to use the remix. Then, The Orb released it under the name of Toxygene. all the best, Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Emusic www.itsahit.com/emusic (now updated) From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 12:01 am Subject: Silver Scale Yep, Silver Scale is among my favorites. I know of two versions. My favorite is the one on CD 5 of Tangents. The other I think is on Valentine Wheels, but this one, while it has some kewl elements, also has some harsh elements thrown in. Are there more 'mixes'? Funny, I wouldn't think about asking such a question regarding most any other music group but TD. James Horecka, AIA, Architect Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20851 Re: Silver Scale Chris Richards Fri 2/11/2000 1 KB 20924 Silver Scale Frank Thu 2/17/2000 1 KB 36016 Silver Scale Morgan Feldon feldon23 Mon 9/9/2002 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 2:56 am Subject: Re: TDI Update On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Sean Montgomery wrote: > From: Sean Montgomery > > And oh lordy, another ugly fractal cover. Is this supposed to remind us > of the Laserium effects of their 70s shows? These covers are all so > interchangeable and dull. They say nothing about the album contents, and > set no mood (other than, 'ooh...computer graphics, these guys are so > high-tech'). I know, I know...I've said it before, blah blah blah. But when have the album covers *EVER* really said anything about the album contents? With a few exceptions, like _Hyperborea_, the covers have never, IMO, really been very suggestive of the album 'concepts' (where they existed). > So...Tang-go is an official release after 8all. Man, that's an even worse > pun than 'Tournado'. I suppose the appearance of the two Dream Dice > tracks will rope a few people into buying it. I won't be one of them. > Even as a 'best of', it falls a bit short, omitting most of best tracks > from the 90s (I agree with most of your picks, Stephen). No argument there...if it's the best of 1990-2000, then what are tracks from _Lily_ (and I think I saw one from _Optical Race_ too) doing there? How much overlap is there between this set and the _Atlantic_ albums? > Dream Mixes 3, huh? Sounds good, although it'd be nice if they could put > the same energy and bounce into the original songs, instead of selling > them to us a second time a year later. It'd be nice if Jerome would delve > deeper into TD's back catalogue, but somehow I don't see that happening. > I predict more remixes of TDI era stuff only. (another remix of Towards > the Evening Star, perhaps?) Maybe he will, finally. Perhaps that's the reason for the 'super-secret tracklist' ? We know that this list is TD-approved, after all. What's there to stop Jerome--or some of TDI's moles, at the very least--from cruising the list from time to time, noticing the suggestions of CERTAIN MEMBERS for updated remakes of tracks like 'Choronzon' and 'Network 23', which might work well in a DM format? What else would people like to see by way of old TD stuff being given the Dream Mixes treatment? > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator Gabe From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 3:35 am Subject: Re: TDI Update > But when have the album covers *EVER* really said anything about the album > contents? With a few exceptions, like _Hyperborea_, the covers have > never, IMO, really been very suggestive of the album 'concepts' (where > they existed). You can make an argument either way. But I'm probably (and not for the first time) not articulating my argument very well. Even when their covers have had nothing to do with the music thematically, they expressed a feeling, created an enigmatic atmosphere...and at the very least, were well designed. That's especially true of the Private Music years albums, which were all elegantly designed. The cover of Tang-go (shudder) looks alright, but then they ruin it with bad typography. I wish they'd invest in the Adobe type library and stop using these cheesy display fonts. It makes the band look cheap in my eyes. Feel free to disagree! > No argument there...if it's the best of 1990-2000, then what are tracks > from _Lily_ (and I think I saw one from _Optical Race_ too) doing there? > How much overlap is there between this set and the _Atlantic_ albums? Good point...and I count 8 duplicate songs between the two sets. As for why the Optical Race and Lily tracks are here, I'd say it's because they're trying to get as much milage as possible out of the portion of their back catalogue that they currently control, and they have the rights to those two albums now. > What else would people like to see by way of old TD stuff being given the > Dream Mixes treatment? If I could make a wish list? - The Cliffs of Sydney - 21st Century Common Man Part One - Poland (the last movement of the title track) - Tangram (Future Part) ...of course, this was already done well on Tangerine Ambience, but it'd be cool to hear TD's own take on it. - Network 23 - Scrap Yard - Ricochet Part One (the last movement, you know, the loud one!) I'd also like to hear an update of Chris Franke's Chimes and Chains, but we won't be getting that from the TDI camp! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 10:09 pm Subject: Re: Hyperborea >BTW, just got Hyperborea. WOW!!! This is an INCREDIBLE album! Boy, it makes White Eagle, and >especially Exit totally pale in comparison. I think Tangram, this, and Poland might be the top >three Schmoelling-era albums of all time in my book (I'll reserve final judgement until I get Le >Parc). > >Take care, > >Jared Then first thing you buy should be Le Parc. What a great album, not only in the 80s or the Schmoelling era, it's a TD classic. And Underwater Sunlight is somewhat similar to Le Parc. Another very good album, but IMO Parc is slightly better. Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 5:33 am Subject: Remixes wish list Let's see. I think these tracks could make good remixes: - White Eagle - Midnight in Tula - make a decent remix, so it doesn't sound cheesy - Dolphin Dance - Central Park - Phaedra (first part) of course there are others, but I think these could really make good remixes. Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20782 Re: Remixes wish list Sean Montgomery Tue 2/8/2000 1 KB 20784 Re: Remixes wish list Antonio Nunes Tue 2/8/2000 1 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 6:12 am Subject: Re: Remixes wish list > I think these tracks could make good remixes: > - White Eagle Technically, this has already been done (Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe, both the original and 1997 versions) > - Central Park Actually, that's a good suggestion. I never liked the original, and I think it would benefit from more aggressive percussion and better sound design. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (Peter Stoeferle) Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Great Wall of China - in shops now Feb. 8th, 2000 'Great Wall of China' in shops ------------------------------ Good news for those who unfortunately missed the 'Millenium Booster' box set: TDI's 'Great Wall of China' (TDI CD 022) has hit the shops (at least in Germany). Bad news for collectors who missed the box set: The cover artwork has been slightly changed; there is no white frame on the front cover. Thus, a discussion will start which has to be regarded the 'original' release... Greetings, Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20806 Re: Great Wall of China - in shops now Michael A Jean Wed 2/9/2000 2 KB 20807 Re: Great Wall of China - in shops now Michael A Jean Wed 2/9/2000 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 10:51 am Subject: Re: Remixes wish list Sean Montgomery wrote: > > > I think these tracks could make good remixes: > > - White Eagle > > Technically, this has already been done (Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe, both > the original and 1997 versions) Yes, and there's also the version included in the Tangerine Ambience Vol.2, played by the Kenton Files. > - Dolphin Dance There are many live versions of Dolphin Dance, including the one played by Chris Franke in the 'London Concert'. There's also a version in Tangerine Ambience Vol.1, played by Rey. > - Phaedra (first part) There are remixes of Phaedra in both Tangerine Ambiences, played by some enigmatic artists. Antonio Nunes np: Peter Mergener - Take Off From: Steven Feldman Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 12:16 pm Subject: Remixes Wish List; TANGENT-izing vs. REMIX-izing >Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 10:51:08 +0000 >Subject: Re: [tadream] Remixes wish list >From: Tangerine Dream mailing list >Really-From: Antonio Nunes Let's see, DREAM MIX-ized 'older TD'? Already, we have 'Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal,' 'Das Madchen auf der Treppe' (which is 'White Eagle,' more or less), 'Order of the Ginger G(u)ild' (which is really 'Convention of the 24'), and 'Stratosfear 1995,' but are these TANGENT- ized moreso than DREAM MIX-ized? I would say yes except for 'Order of the Ginger G(u)ild.' Anyways, quite often, something that is TANGENT-ized is not remixed but re-recorded wholesale -- containing nothing from the original except for maybe some chord changes, so it is hard to tell where to draw the line between TANGENT-izing and DREAM MIX-ized. Really good examples are 'Upland' from BEYOND THE STORM, and virtually the entire first disc of THE DREAM ROOTS collection. >> - Dolphin Dance > >There are many live versions of Dolphin Dance, including the one played >by Chris Franke in the 'London Concert'. There's also a version in >Tangerine Ambience Vol.1, played by Rey. And let's not forget 9 minutes'-worth of LIVEMILES (the only reason I ever play that album). The track that I would love to see something attempted with would be the second half of 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' from the FORCE MAJEURE album -- although, paradoxically, I don't think that TD would be the ones to do it justice. I am thinking of the sort of treatment that was given 'Cold Bent Sidewalk' (CYCLONE) by Giez on TANGERINE AMBIENCE. Still, thinking back to THE KEEP, much of THE PARK IS MINE soundtrack, and 'Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal,' I think its possible, but TD really doesn't plumb the down 'n' dirty dark ambient techno depths in the way that this track would profit from. And no, I am not talking about stuff like 'Forced to Surrender' from WHAT A BLAST/ARCHITECTURE IN MOTION, either -- something more along the lines of 'Movements of a Visionary' (PHAEDRA) combined with 'Grind' (SORCERER) and 'Iowa' (DREAM MIXES I UK VERSION) is what I have in mind -- sort of like something RMI (Radio Massacre International) might do, or Node might have done (but with a more melodic sense, natch). -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - ar402004@b... [ElectronicMusic@o..., 6/27/99] said: 'Live, Tangerine Dream is the electronic equivalent of Millie Vanilli.' DaNo [ElectronicMusic@o..., 6/27/99] rejoined: 'Finally, someone who puts it into perspective no one can deny.' Ho ho. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20790 Re: Remixes Wish List; TANGENT-izing vs. REMIX-iz Sean Montgomery Tue 2/8/2000 1 KB From: 'joe shoults' Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 2:40 pm Subject: OT: Ozric Tentacles update Several of you have asked me off-list about what Ozric Tentacles sounds like. I've heard someone describe them as a cross between TD and Hawkwind without words, which is more or less a good description, but not entirely accurate, as they are unique unto themselves, and like most great things, impossible to describe in this short space. They are guitar and sequencer driven verypsychedelic rock, and a show not to be missed. So, if you have the chance to see them, go! Below is the clarification for the added UK date. joe -----Original Message----- From: simonjbaker ... DOH! AND THE DATE FOR THAT GIG IS.........!!!!!!!! 26th February SO! To confirm the whole thing again Ozric Tentacles 26th Feb The White Horse 95 West Wycombe Road High Wycombe Bucks tel & b/o. 01494-527 672 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20787 Re: OT: Ozric Tentacles update Bert.Hulshoff@N... Tue 2/8/2000 3 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 2:56 pm Subject: RE: OT: Ozric Tentacles update I miss the link to Gong which are also a big influence for the Ozrics. The Ozric Tentacle are definitely a must for Space Trip Ambient orientated music lovers, No New Age freaks ;-) Greetings Bert > ---------- > From: joe shoults[SMTP:joes@c...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 15:40 > To: Tadream-list > Subject: [tadream] OT: Ozric Tentacles update > > From: 'joe shoults' > > Several of you have asked me off-list about what Ozric Tentacles sounds > like. I've heard someone describe them as a cross between TD and Hawkwind > without words, which is more or less a good description, but not entirely > accurate, as they are unique unto themselves, and like most great things, > impossible to describe in this short space. They are guitar and sequencer > driven verypsychedelic rock, and a show not to be missed. So, if you have > the chance to see them, go! > > Below is the clarification for the added UK date. > > joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: simonjbaker > ... > DOH! > AND THE DATE FOR THAT GIG IS.........!!!!!!!! > 26th February > SO! > To confirm the whole thing again > > Ozric Tentacles > 26th Feb > The White Horse > 95 West Wycombe Road > High Wycombe > Bucks > tel & b/o. 01494-527 672 > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > eGroups' Valentine's Day Gift Guide - Shop Here Now: > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our homepage > (link above). > From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 5:50 pm Subject: Paypal > Here's a very cool tool for us traders. That should have been a capital 'US' ;-) as it's only possible to shovel money towards someone in the USA. But for that, it's great. -klaus- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23641 Paypal izyrp@o... Mon 8/14/2000 1 KB 23642 Re: Paypal -> Bidpay Rainer Rutka Mon 8/14/2000 2 KB From: 'joe shoults' Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 6:29 pm Subject: OT: RE: Paypal I didn't know that. I just went to check and their site says they'll go international 'soon', FWIW. I'll relay notification when it does... joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...] > > Here's a very cool tool for us traders. > > That should have been a capital 'US' ;-) as it's only possible to > shovel money towards someone in the USA. But for that, it's great. From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 7:01 pm Subject: Re: Remixes Wish List; TANGENT-izing vs. REMIX-izing > The track that I would love to see something attempted with would > be the second half of 'Through Metamorphic Rocks' from the FORCE MAJEURE > album -- although, paradoxically, I don't think that TD would be the > ones to do it justice. Wow...you're absolutely right. I hadn't even thought about TMR, and the more I do, the more I like the idea. In the hands of interesting remixers like Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine, Fila Brazillia, Kruder & Dorfmeister, Sasha...great things could be done there. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Nic' Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 8:24 pm Subject: White Cloths Hi all, Today I listened to White Cloths again. Wow what a great concert was that! Wished I was there than. The excerpt of Tangram with the beginning long pianosolo is outstanding. Is anyone know who was playing the piano?? Nic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20793 Re: White Cloths Marcel Engels Tue 2/8/2000 1 KB 25899 Re: White Cloths Gustavo Jobim Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 25900 Re: White Cloths James E. Jacoby Sat 2/3/2001 2 KB 33362 White Cloths Morgan Feldon Sun 4/14/2002 2 KB 33365 White Cloths Morgan Feldon Sun 4/14/2002 2 KB From: Peter Ravn Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: STOP PRESS : www.tadream.org Hello Tadreamers, I think we need a place to collect all the best TD material on the net and get it easier to find the info we are always looking for. My thought was to get tadream.org and I was surprised to see it was available! After obtaining the domain name I offered it to TD, but they never replied. Therefor now I will go ahead and create - or if there is too little interest not create the website. I will not do this alone, but this shoud be done as a team work. The design of the site - shall we make a competition ? Some idea's for contents: Discography (Paul Fellows ??) The FAQ Picture collection (from the fan's collections) Links (to TD fan pages etc.) The Vault (area w. only access for registred members of tadream.org) Useless area (completely useless info about TD.......) More...... - any wild idea's :-) There are also some financial aspects to consider - it has already costed me $70 to get the domain name and to setup and run the service will also cost some money. Any idea's of running the service ? I hope you have some great idea's and that you are willing to put some effort into make them real.... This should also be the chance for fans who don't (yet) have a home page to get some material put up on the web. Regards, Peter Ravn http://ravn.net/td pr@r... ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20794 Re: STOP PRESS : www.tadream.org Paul Fellows Tue 2/8/2000 5 KB 20795 Re: STOP PRESS : www.tadream.org joe shoults Tue 2/8/2000 4 KB 20796 Re: STOP PRESS : www.tadream.org joe shoults Tue 2/8/2000 4 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 9:22 pm Subject: RE: White Cloths > From: 'Nic' > > Hi all, > > Today I listened to White Cloths again. Wow what a great concert was that! > Wished I was there than. The excerpt of Tangram with the beginning long > pianosolo is outstanding. Is anyone know who was playing the piano?? I can only guess, but my best guess that it is Johannes. I'm not sure if Edgar or Chris could play like that in 1980... (no offense Ed!) And Johannes was classicaly trained wasn't he? Playing church organs etc. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 9:22 pm Subject: Re : STOP PRESS : www.tadream.org Hi Peter, Great idea, I'll be more than happy to help, (and thank you for suggesting the inclusion of my discography, that's a great compliment!) I think it would be good to pool our efforts rather than individually sitting in our respective corners with different bits of the 'puzzle/enigma' called Tangerine Dream... I would suggest a complete gigography as well, which I'm sure someone with an existing page could supply, and Klaus Beschorner's page of links is very useful and the most comprehensive that I know of. By the way, I've tried to get to the interview that lots of us submitted questions for on copfer.com, but the server is unobtainable, does anyone know what the story there is? Is it just me? If anyone can get to this link, please let me know if the interview has actually taken place and if the answers have been posted...if so, a link should certainly be included on the new pages... One thing, I don't think there should be a competition as such to design the web site, that would be immediately going against the whole idea of sharing if we were all trying to outdo each other, why don't the interested parties just submit ideas/test pages and all the members of the group hold a democratic vote as to which one they think is the most aesthetically pleasing (and, it shouldn't be forgotten, the easiest to navigate around!) Funnily enough, the most controvertial question is likely to be how to sort the information. I know that some people would prefer the albums to be listed in chronological order of recording, others in chronological order of release, and the rest (myself included) prefer alphabetical order of title (simply because when there is a long list of anything, for example a telephone directory, it's always in alphabetical order, that way you don't have to already know which year it was released to find it). Oh, and perhaps there should be a search engine on the site, as it is likely to be very big. By the way, my discography alone takes up 30 Mb of server space (almost it's maximum capacity as it stands), how much space do you have available? Paul >From: Peter Ravn > >Hello Tadreamers, > >I think we need a place to collect all the best TD material on the net and >get it easier to find the info we are always looking for. > >My thought was to get tadream.org and I was surprised to see it was >available! > > >After obtaining the domain name I offered it to TD, but they never replied. > >Therefor now I will go ahead and create - or if there is too little interest >not create the website. >I will not do this alone, but this shoud be done as a team work. > >The design of the site >- shall we make a competition ? > >Some idea's for contents: > >Discography (Paul Fellows ??) >The FAQ >Picture collection (from the fan's collections) >Links (to TD fan pages etc.) >The Vault (area w. only access for registred members of tadream.org) >Useless area (completely useless info about TD.......) >More...... - any wild idea's :-) > >There are also some financial aspects to consider - it has already costed me >$70 to get the domain name and to setup and run the service will also cost >some money. Any idea's of running the service ? > >I hope you have some great idea's and that you are willing to put some >effort into make them real.... > >This should also be the chance for fans who don't (yet) have a home page to >get some material put up on the web. > >Regards, >Peter Ravn >http://ravn.net/td > >pr@r... > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Finding a sweetheart is hard work. Shopping for one shouldn't be. >Click here for Valentine Surprises. >Click Here > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: >https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > >Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our homepage >(link above). > From: 'joe shoults' Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 9:25 pm Subject: RE: STOP PRESS : www.tadream.org hey peter- I obtained tadream.net a while back to do the very same thing. In fact, I was just about to switch the tadream.copfer.com site over to this new domain name, but my network admin is out sick today. What I'm plannning is a database-driven site, deployed with Active Server Pages, and our members can post the info to it, kinda like imdb.com. Actually very much like that. what I'm trying to lay out now is the data structure. like deciding what fields to include for the database, and how they are associated with each other. were you thinking along the same lines? joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Ravn [mailto:peterravn@u...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 4:33 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] STOP PRESS : www.tadream.org > > > From: Peter Ravn > > Hello Tadreamers, > > I think we need a place to collect all the best TD material on the net and > get it easier to find the info we are always looking for. > > My thought was to get tadream.org and I was surprised to see it was > available! > > > After obtaining the domain name I offered it to TD, but they > never replied. > > Therefor now I will go ahead and create - or if there is too > little interest > not create the website. > I will not do this alone, but this shoud be done as a team work. > > The design of the site > - shall we make a competition ? > > Some idea's for contents: > > Discography (Paul Fellows ??) > The FAQ > Picture collection (from the fan's collections) > Links (to TD fan pages etc.) > The Vault (area w. only access for registred members of tadream.org) > Useless area (completely useless info about TD.......) > More...... - any wild idea's :-) > > There are also some financial aspects to consider - it has > already costed me > $70 to get the domain name and to setup and run the service will also cost > some money. Any idea's of running the service ? > > I hope you have some great idea's and that you are willing to put some > effort into make them real.... > > This should also be the chance for fans who don't (yet) have a > home page to > get some material put up on the web. > > Regards, > Peter Ravn > http://ravn.net/td > > pr@r... > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Finding a sweetheart is hard work. Shopping for one shouldn't be. > Click here for Valentine Surprises. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our > homepage (link above). From: 'joe shoults' Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 9:42 pm Subject: RE: Re : STOP PRESS : www.tadream.org sorry- that other msg. was supposed to go to just peter, but we might as well discuss this on-list. there are some great fan sites out there. Stephan Bischoff's (http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/) is one of my favorites because of how he categorized the data and his layout. > -----Original Message----- > Great idea, I'll be more than happy to help, (and thank you for suggesting > the inclusion of my discography, that's a great compliment!) I think it > would be good to pool our efforts rather than individually sitting in our > respective corners with different bits of the 'puzzle/enigma' called > Tangerine Dream... agreed- that's the only way to get complete info. and nobody has time to do it all themselves. > I would suggest a complete gigography as well, which I'm sure > someone with > an existing page could supply, and Klaus Beschorner's page of > links is very > useful and the most comprehensive that I know of. nicola cont's is pretty good, too. and of course, Scott's book > > By the way, I've tried to get to the interview that lots of us submitted > questions for on copfer.com, but the server is unobtainable, does anyone > know what the story there is? Is it just me? If anyone can get to this > link, please let me know if the interview has actually taken place and if > the answers have been posted...if so, a link should certainly be > included on > the new pages... sorry for no word onthis. I just checked with TD the other day on this, in fact. They just got back from a conference, and will try to get to it 'soon'. > Funnily enough, the most controvertial question is likely to be > how to sort > the information. I know that some people would prefer the albums to be > listed in chronological order of recording, others in > chronological order of > release, and the rest (myself included) prefer alphabetical order of title > (simply because when there is a long list of anything, for example a > telephone directory, it's always in alphabetical order, that way you don't > have to already know which year it was released to find it). this will not be a problem, as we may design 'sortability' into it. > Oh, and perhaps there should be a search engine on the site, as > it is likely > to be very big. this will be part of the process. > By the way, my discography alone takes up 30 Mb of server space > (almost it's > maximum capacity as it stands), how much space do you have available? holy cow! what the hell you got in therE? well, one thing is for sure, we will have to set standards for picture sizes and resolutions, that sort of thing. I would also recommend optimizing filesizes with a program like Fireworks or ImageReady before publishing. Let's continue to discuss. I fianlly have the software I need to do this, and just installed it last weekend. now, I'll start to climb the learning curve... any asp or perl programmers out there want to jump in? joe From: Peter Ravn Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: [RE: STOP PRESS : www.tadream.org] Oh, dear Joe Shouldts lets us share some coopartive effort like making tadream.net=tadream.org - just not to waste too much posistive energy! About competition or not - well it should be kept friendly :-) Pauls asks 'By the way, my discography alone takes up 30 Mb of server space (almost it's maximum capacity as it stands), how much space do you have available? ' - my server has unlimited space so NO problem!!! I can guarantee that server space prolems will be solved quickly.. Regards , Peter 'joe shoults' wrote: > --------------------------------------------- > Attachment:  > MIME Type: multipart/alternative > --------------------------------------------- hey peter- I obtained tadream.net a while back to do the very same thing. In fact, I was just about to switch the tadream.copfer.com site over to this new domain name, but my network admin is out sick today. What I'm plannning is a database-driven site, deployed with Active Server Pages, and our members can post the info to it, kinda like imdb.com. Actually very much like that. what I'm trying to lay out now is the data structure. like deciding what fields to include for the database, and how they are associated with each other. were you thinking along the same lines? joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Ravn [mailto:peterravn@u...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 4:33 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] STOP PRESS : www.tadream.org > > > From: Peter Ravn > > Hello Tadreamers, > > I think we need a place to collect all the best TD material on the net and > get it easier to find the info we are always looking for. > > My thought was to get tadream.org and I was surprised to see it was > available! > > > After obtaining the domain name I offered it to TD, but they > never replied. > > Therefor now I will go ahead and create - or if there is too > little interest > not create the website. > I will not do this alone, but this shoud be done as a team work. > > The design of the site > - shall we make a competition ? > > Some idea's for contents: > > Discography (Paul Fellows ??) > The FAQ > Picture collection (from the fan's collections) > Links (to TD fan pages etc.) > The Vault (area w. only access for registred members of tadream.org) > Useless area (completely useless info about TD.......) > More...... - any wild idea's :-) > > There are also some financial aspects to consider - it has > already costed me > $70 to get the domain name and to setup and run the service will also cost > some money. Any idea's of running the service ? > > I hope you have some great idea's and that you are willing to put some > effort into make them real.... > > This should also be the chance for fans who don't (yet) have a > home page to > get some material put up on the web. > > Regards, > Peter Ravn > http://ravn.net/td > > pr@r... > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Finding a sweetheart is hard work. Shopping for one shouldn't be. > Click here for Valentine Surprises. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our > homepage (link above). ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20800 Re: [RE: STOP PRESS : www.tadream.org] joe shoults Tue 2/8/2000 1 KB From: 'joe shoults' Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 9:53 pm Subject: ...www.tadream.org also, if you are having trouble with tadream.copfer.com, go to its actual current location: http://216.28.117.237/tadream. The site is actually not at tadream.copfer.com anymore, but I kept a 'redirect' page there to avoid confusion. Hopefully, my admin will be back to work tomorrow to set up the webfolder and I can turn www.tadream.net on with the same content until we replace it with the database one. (I was thinking of calling it 'DreamBase', in the tradition of the DeadBase.) joe From: Peter Ravn Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Re: [RE: Re : STOP PRESS : www.tadream.org] OK JOe We all make mistakes - we could of course discuss on my messageboard at http://ravn.net/msgboard.mv let's see... a web site for the td fan's deserves a long discuss' !! Regards, Peter 'joe shoults' wrote: > --------------------------------------------- > Attachment:  > MIME Type: multipart/alternative > --------------------------------------------- sorry- that other msg. was supposed to go to just peter, but we might as well discuss this on-list. there are some great fan sites out there. Stephan Bischoff's (http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/) is one of my favorites because of how he categorized the data and his layout. > -----Original Message----- > Great idea, I'll be more than happy to help, (and thank you for suggesting > the inclusion of my discography, that's a great compliment!) I think it > would be good to pool our efforts rather than individually sitting in our > respective corners with different bits of the 'puzzle/enigma' called > Tangerine Dream... agreed- that's the only way to get complete info. and nobody has time to do it all themselves. > I would suggest a complete gigography as well, which I'm sure > someone with > an existing page could supply, and Klaus Beschorner's page of > links is very > useful and the most comprehensive that I know of. nicola cont's is pretty good, too. and of course, Scott's book > > By the way, I've tried to get to the interview that lots of us submitted > questions for on copfer.com, but the server is unobtainable, does anyone > know what the story there is? Is it just me? If anyone can get to this > link, please let me know if the interview has actually taken place and if > the answers have been posted...if so, a link should certainly be > included on > the new pages... sorry for no word onthis. I just checked with TD the other day on this, in fact. They just got back from a conference, and will try to get to it 'soon'. > Funnily enough, the most controvertial question is likely to be > how to sort > the information. I know that some people would prefer the albums to be > listed in chronological order of recording, others in > chronological order of > release, and the rest (myself included) prefer alphabetical order of title > (simply because when there is a long list of anything, for example a > telephone directory, it's always in alphabetical order, that way you don't > have to already know which year it was released to find it). this will not be a problem, as we may design 'sortability' into it. > Oh, and perhaps there should be a search engine on the site, as > it is likely > to be very big. this will be part of the process. > By the way, my discography alone takes up 30 Mb of server space > (almost it's > maximum capacity as it stands), how much space do you have available? holy cow! what the hell you got in therE? well, one thing is for sure, we will have to set standards for picture sizes and resolutions, that sort of thing. I would also recommend optimizing filesizes with a program like Fireworks or ImageReady before publishing. Let's continue to discuss. I fianlly have the software I need to do this, and just installed it last weekend. now, I'll start to climb the learning curve... any asp or perl programmers out there want to jump in? joe ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20801 Re: [RE: Re : STOP PRESS : www.tadream.org] Tomas Rydqvist Tue 2/8/2000 5 KB 20803 Re: [RE: Re : STOP PRESS : www.tadream.org] joe shoults Tue 2/8/2000 1 KB From: 'joe shoults' Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 9:56 pm Subject: RE: [RE: STOP PRESS : www.tadream.org] > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Ravn [mailto:peterravn@u...] > Joe Shouldts lets us share some coopartive effort like making > tadream.net=tadream.org - just not to waste too much posistive energy! > > About competition or not - well it should be kept friendly :-) Agreed! for clarification, a collaborative site is exactly what I'm talking about. go to imdb.com as an example and check it out. everything there is submitted by folks like you and me through a separate database interface. submissions are checked for accuracy (or so they say) before being approved for each movie's listings. From: Tomas Rydqvist Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 9:59 pm Subject: Re: [RE: Re : STOP PRESS : www.tadream.org] Hi All Im in , Just let me know what i can do to help. Bye Peter Ravn wrote: > From: Peter Ravn > > OK JOe > > We all make mistakes - we could of course discuss on my messageboard at > http://ravn.net/msgboard.mv > > let's see... > > a web site for the td fan's deserves a long discuss' !! > > Regards, > Peter > > 'joe shoults' wrote: > > > --------------------------------------------- > > Attachment: > > MIME Type: multipart/alternative > > --------------------------------------------- > sorry- that other msg. was supposed to go to just peter, but we might as > well discuss this on-list. > > there are some great fan sites out there. Stephan Bischoff's > (http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/) is one of my favorites > because of how he categorized the data and his layout. > > > -----Original Message----- > > Great idea, I'll be more than happy to help, (and thank you for suggesting > > the inclusion of my discography, that's a great compliment!) I think it > > would be good to pool our efforts rather than individually sitting in our > > respective corners with different bits of the 'puzzle/enigma' called > > Tangerine Dream... > > agreed- that's the only way to get complete info. and nobody has time to do > it all themselves. > > > I would suggest a complete gigography as well, which I'm sure > > someone with > > an existing page could supply, and Klaus Beschorner's page of > > links is very > > useful and the most comprehensive that I know of. > > nicola cont's is pretty good, too. and of course, Scott's book > > > > > By the way, I've tried to get to the interview that lots of us submitted > > questions for on copfer.com, but the server is unobtainable, does anyone > > know what the story there is? Is it just me? If anyone can get to this > > link, please let me know if the interview has actually taken place and if > > the answers have been posted...if so, a link should certainly be > > included on > > the new pages... > > sorry for no word onthis. I just checked with TD the other day on this, in > fact. They just got back from a conference, and will try to get to it > 'soon'. > > > Funnily enough, the most controvertial question is likely to be > > how to sort > > the information. I know that some people would prefer the albums to be > > listed in chronological order of recording, others in > > chronological order of > > release, and the rest (myself included) prefer alphabetical order of title > > (simply because when there is a long list of anything, for example a > > telephone directory, it's always in alphabetical order, that way you don't > > have to already know which year it was released to find it). > > this will not be a problem, as we may design 'sortability' into it. > > > Oh, and perhaps there should be a search engine on the site, as > > it is likely > > to be very big. > > this will be part of the process. > > > By the way, my discography alone takes up 30 Mb of server space > > (almost it's > > maximum capacity as it stands), how much space do you have available? > > holy cow! what the hell you got in therE? well, one thing is for sure, we > will have to set standards for picture sizes and resolutions, that sort of > thing. I would also recommend optimizing filesizes with a program like > Fireworks or ImageReady before publishing. > > Let's continue to discuss. I fianlly have the software I need to do this, > and just installed it last weekend. now, I'll start to climb the learning > curve... > > any asp or perl programmers out there want to jump in? > > joe > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Don’t buy your Valentine a Gift by clicking here. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our homepage (link above). From: Peter Ravn Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: www.tadream.org Dear dreamers, The tadream.org site will only be set up if some 'heavy' dreamers come up with info usefull or useless info - maybe we need Paul Fellows - Klaus Beschorner - Peter Ravn...;-) I can get unlimited space for a reasonable amount of dollars. Therefor come along an present your photos etc. Regards, Peter ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20813 Re: www.tadream.org craig.cordrey@g... Wed 2/9/2000 2 KB From: 'joe shoults' Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 10:14 pm Subject: RE: [RE: Re : STOP PRESS : www.tadream.org] OK. I set up a link off the tadream home page for Peter's message board, where we can discuss design of the new site. joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Tomas Rydqvist [mailto:tomas.rydqvist@g...] > Im in , Just let me know what i can do to help. > Bye > > Peter Ravn wrote: > > > From: Peter Ravn > > > > OK JOe > > > > We all make mistakes - we could of course discuss on my messageboard at > > http://ravn.net/msgboard.mv From: Peter Ravn Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: www.tadream.org = www.tadream.net Joe and others.. So we could make an agreement: The main contents to be identical and to make the URL be alia's to each other...? I suggest this. Let the best idea's win. regards, Peter > Joe Shouldts lets us share some coopartive effort like making > tadream.net=tadream.org - just not to waste too much posistive energy! > > About competition or not - well it should be kept friendly :-) Agreed! for clarification, a collaborative site is exactly what I'm talking about. go to imdb.com as an example and check it out. everything there is submitted by folks like you and me through a separate database interface. submissions are checked for accuracy (or so they say) before being approved for each movie's listings. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From: Peter Ravn Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Webdesign of www.tadream.org/net Hello You can now supply your idea's of the design of the www.tadream.org/net on my message board at http://ravn.net/msgboard.mv or you can come with your idea's here.... OR you can send me HTML+GIF+JPEG files to me and I will make a website to present your idea(s)..... I think we could collect the idea's in about 14-21 days from now and make a commitee of people who can make the website(s). Then we just have to find the money..... Regards, Peter Ravn ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Feb 9, 2000 12:59 am Subject: RE: Great Wall of China - in shops now It showed up here in the States (in Chicago)Feb 1... MJ l of China - in shops now > > > From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (Peter Stoeferle) > > > Feb. 8th, 2000 > > 'Great Wall of China' in shops > ------------------------------ > > Good news for those who unfortunately missed > the 'Millenium Booster' box set: > > TDI's 'Great Wall of China' (TDI CD 022) > has hit the shops (at least in Germany). > > Bad news for collectors who missed the box set: > The cover artwork has been slightly changed; > there is no white frame on the front cover. > Thus, a discussion will start which has to > be regarded the 'original' release... > > Greetings, > Peter > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Shop for your Valentine at eGroups. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our > homepage (link above). > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Feb 9, 2000 1:01 am Subject: RE: Great Wall of China - in shops now It showed up here in the States (in Chicago)Feb 1... MJ l of China - in shops now > > > From: Peter.Stoeferle@t... (Peter Stoeferle) > > > Feb. 8th, 2000 > > 'Great Wall of China' in shops > ------------------------------ > > Good news for those who unfortunately missed > the 'Millenium Booster' box set: > > TDI's 'Great Wall of China' (TDI CD 022) > has hit the shops (at least in Germany). > > Bad news for collectors who missed the box set: > The cover artwork has been slightly changed; > there is no white frame on the front cover. > Thus, a discussion will start which has to > be regarded the 'original' release... > > Greetings, > Peter > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Shop for your Valentine at eGroups. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our > homepage (link above). > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Feb 9, 2000 1:14 am Subject: Order of the albums problem >Funnily enough, the most controvertial question is likely to be how to sort >the information. I know that some people would prefer the albums to be >listed in chronological order of recording, others in chronological order of >release, and the rest (myself included) prefer alphabetical order of title >(simply because when there is a long list of anything, for example a >telephone directory, it's always in alphabetical order, that way you don't >have to already know which year it was released to find it). > >Oh, and perhaps there should be a search engine on the site, as it is likely >to be very big. Why not make three versions? One alphabetical, the other in order of release and the other in order of recording. I guess it shouldn't be very problematic - the only problem should be the size. Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'tom george' Date: Wed Feb 9, 2000 2:04 am Subject: Re: World Without Rules you may be right Sean. i may have been a little harsh with my criticism. i did like maybe 3 cuts on the album. but he really isn't by any means the first to mesh elctronics with world. Yanni, Vangelis, Mike Oldfield, etc have all done it. i see alot of crap being passed off as world now. i mean throw in a pan pipe, a bleating mountain goat, a few throat singers from yasmek, and some pigmie yodelers over a John Tesh synth sweep and you have World music. i guess i am jaded. enjoy what you like is the key here. take care tom -- On Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:36:04 Sean Montgomery wrote: >From: Sean Montgomery > > > >> personally i thought the cd sucked and sold it shortly after buying it. i >> gave it one listen and out it went. i won't be buying anymore Haslinger >> that is for sure. i just hate that pretencious world crap. > > >Well, it's all a matter of taste, I suppose. I don't find Paul's take on >world music to be pretentious at all. I think that the music of different >cultures has much to offer in terms of different sounds, rhythms, and >ideas...especially since western pop music has become so boring now. >This is much the same thing that keyboards did for music twenty-five years >ago. And it's no surprise that innovative musicians like David Byrne and >Peter Gabriel were among the first to borrow from world music. Paul is >finding ways to meld the electronic *and* the ethinc, and while I would >agree that others have done it better (Loop Guru, Transglobal Underground, >Single Gun Theory), I like what he does too. I also find Score to be his >most diverse and mature album to date. But that's just me. > > >SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Valentine's Day Shopping Made Simple. >Click Here > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: >https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > >Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our homepage (link above). > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'tom george' Date: Wed Feb 9, 2000 2:11 am Subject: Re: TDI Update if anyone could pass the new information ver batam to this list it would be greatly appreciated. it seems my company has installed a block on sites it deams inappropriate and the words Tangerine Dream apparently are transcrued as sexual. i can't access the site at all anymore. lucky i was able to order the Millenium Booster before it got blocked. this sucks. tom : >From: Sean Montgomery > > > >I too as taken aback by the volume of new info that TDI just added to >the webpage. Well, where to start? Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Quarlie@a... Date: Wed Feb 9, 2000 3:21 am Subject: Re: TDI Update In a message dated 2/7/00 10:14:23 PM, gabe@c... writes: >What's >there to stop Jerome--or some of TDI's moles, at the very least--from >cruising the list from time to time, noticing the suggestions of CERTAIN >MEMBERS for updated remakes of tracks like 'Choronzon' and 'Network 23', >which might work well in a DM format? > >What else would people like to see by way of old TD stuff being given the >Dream Mixes treatment? In addition to the two you suggest, I think much of part two from 'Ricochet' would work quite well, especially starting around 2:40. Oh, and perhaps the title track from 'Exit.' --Daniel NP: Ricochet, part two, believe it or not From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Feb 9, 2000 8:31 am Subject: tadream.org/net Hi all, here are my 2c worth of opinions on what to do with these domains. I've put them in the form of some pointed statements to encourage discussion. Centralization is against one of the basic motivations of 'web content providers'. That is, home page owners. They (including me) want to showcase their info in the form they prefer. Centralization is in the best interest of the 'user only', who can find all info on one subject at one place. However, it makes no difference for this 'user only' whether the info behind a link is actually stored on this server or on another. Visual design of a web site should be left to the webmaster of this site. He'll most probably do it the way we all do: steal the best ideas from other places on the net an add a bit of own originality ;-) So, our influence on the actual visual design and structure should be to point out 'good' sites to the webmaster. So, what would _I_ like to see on a central fan site ? All the basic info that makes a lot of sense to keep in only one place, i.e. the FAQ, basic discographies etc. Then a complete collection of commented links, i.e., not just the URL but also detailed explanations on what can be found there. Take my 'remcorr.txt' on fake tape titles as an example. It would be bothersome for me to make sure that both my version and the one on tadream.org/net are always in sync. A direkt link to this file from .org would be the next best, but still bothersome if I change the data structure on my page. The best, in my opinion, is a link to my page, with a comment like 'essential info for concert recording collectors', and let my own page take it from there. And, if space should really be of no concern, of course a repository of all things other fans didn't put up on their pages due to space limitations. Finally, my motto for this would be 'let a thousand flowers grow' and make the central site one of these flowers, but mainly a very comprehensive entry portal to this garden of TD fan information. cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20819 Re: tadream.org/net Paul Fellows Wed 2/9/2000 5 KB 20829 Re: tadream.org/net PENFOLD Thu 2/10/2000 2 KB 20844 Re: tadream.org/net Paul Fellows Thu 2/10/2000 2 KB 20853 Re: tadream.org/net Paul Fellows Fri 2/11/2000 1 KB 20877 Re: tadream.org/net Paul Fellows Sun 2/13/2000 1 KB 20878 Re: tadream.org/net Eric Rochon Sun 2/13/2000 1 KB 20879 Re: tadream.org/net Grant M Somerville Mon 2/14/2000 1 KB From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Wed Feb 9, 2000 9:31 am Subject: Re: www.tadream.org >From: Peter Ravn > >Dear dreamers, > >The tadream.org site will only be set up if some 'heavy' dreamers come up with >info usefull or useless info - >maybe we need Paul Fellows - Klaus Beschorner - Peter Ravn...;-) I truly hope that this does see the light of day and becomes a central resource for all things TD. Whilst not a heavyweight, I am willing to offer whatever support or assistance is needed. Beware, however, as I am currently studying and working, so my time is pretty limited. I am so keen to see this happen, I cannot express it. Cheers, -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Wed Feb 9, 2000 11:08 am Subject: Re: Display fonts (was Re: TDI update) SEAN MONTGOMERY wrote: >>> [...] Even when their covers have had nothing to do with the music thematically, they expressed a feeling, created an enigmatic atmosphere...and at the very least, were well designed. That's especially true of the Private Music years albums, which were all elegantly designed. >>> Well, everyone to his taste... I personally dislike the cover designs of Lily, Destination, Miracle Mile and Melrose. Sohoman, Polaris, Oasis and Tournado appeal to me more. I am not a design artist and I haven't seen the CD covers of TD's 'competition' :)) so I cannot tell what is considered today as 'commercial' but I have nothing against TD's latest covers. And I daresay Sohoman and Valentine wheels are enigmatic enough. Besides, I like fractals. They are just as appropriate on a TD cover as Monica's photos of drops, flames and Jeromes... :)) As for the fonts, I may be lagging behind the rest of the world because they appear to me as innovative (just look at the Virgin CD display fonts to compare...) I especially find the Transsiberia font to be suitable (slight resemblance to cyrill letters) and the Sohoman design (fonts included) is in my list of classics although it may be cheesy to others. What I would also like to see with another 'classic edition' is a black&white art-photo cover and booklet. That would be cool. >>> [...] I wish they'd invest in the Adobe type library and stop using these cheesy display fonts. It makes the band look cheap in my eyes. >>> Why would the Adobe type library be better? Suppose TD picked a font from that library, and the same font went popular all of a sudden... It could happen. The solution would be to design a font of their own but then again, isn't it about the MUSIC? >Feel free to disagree! Applies to everyone. It should be placed in the header of the mailing list messages. np. Firenze 1981 ----------------------------------------------- Szatmari, Pal (koronzon@e...) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ENG-HU translator ICQ# 62226828 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: 'twosheds' Date: Wed Feb 9, 2000 3:12 pm Subject: OT: OT (Ozric Tentacles) In a review of their latest album, Waterfall Cities, that appeared in Progression Magazine, I described them as 'Hawkwind meets Tangerine Dream, or Prodigy in space.' I picked up Arborescence at my local library, and fell in love with it immediately. Scott From: Peter Ravn Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: www.tadream.org future plans I have now made www.tadream.org as an alias to my existing website ravn.net - this means that tadream.org points to ravn.net - this will take effect soon (I hope - depends on my web provider). The advantage for me was that it was cheap and I shall pay no extra fees in the future and I can use my existing password etc. to access the pages. I have UNLIMITED space available (Paul Fellows...read it!) - so we have no limits in that direction....making uploading of big discographies and large amount of photos etc possible... The drawback of this solution is that www.tadream.org will be replaced in the browser locationbar by ravn.net (I think it is so - I haven't seen it yet..) I agree with some of you writing that the website should be a mix of good content and annotated links. If all the best content should be included would the work be too massive and the contributor's work would be more complex (and the webmaster's workload)... An important function must to archive all the good info. Often www pages are closed and info is lost forever. Tadream.org will store the info forever..... Some content must we have like: The TD history List of all tracks List of all concerts Personal experiences with TD - all the fun stories around... Fan photos from all the years (remember unlimited webspace...) Go on and make the list longer... If any can make a good logo would it be nice.... I have to go for a travel soon - back next week. Regards, Peter Ravn ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From: 'joe shoults' Date: Wed Feb 9, 2000 6:11 pm Subject: 12.10.83 warsaw first show I was just listening to the Warsaw show from 83, and it is great! What is with this Choronzon with all the notes backwards? I've never heard that before. Did they do that at any other time? joe From: Peter Ravn Date: (Date Unavailable) Subject: Remove the dust... Hi, I am a long time TD fan - making parts of my collection dusty. Therefor I from time to give away CD's with TD (from my trade collection) to libraries (I am an librarian!). In Denmark many libraries carry CD's. To Lyngby library in Copenhagen I donated several CD's aong them - Mars Polaris - Poland - Exit - a TD compilation - and they loved it.... So remove the dust of you collectiona and donate CD's ... Just a suggestion... Regards, Peter Ravn ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20828 Re: Remove the dust... Heiko Heerssen Thu 2/10/2000 1 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Feb 9, 2000 8:44 pm Subject: Re : tadream.org/net Hi all, My reactions to Klaus' comments: >Centralization is in the best interest of the 'user only' Yes, but there are a handful of providers and millions of users, so this argument doesn't hold any water in my view. If everyone thought like this, then the concept of 'webrings' wouldn't exist... > Centralization is against one of the basic motivations of 'web content > providers'. That is, home page owners. They (including me) want to > showcase their info in the form they prefer. True, but I'm all in favour of any project which brings the fans closer together, and makes it easier for users and providers to find the information they're looking for, which are the two main 'raisons d'etre' of a site of this type. > Visual design of a web site should be left to the webmaster of this > site. He'll most probably do it the way we all do: steal the best > ideas from other places on the net an add a bit of own originality ;-) > So, our influence on the actual visual design and structure should be > to point out 'good' sites to the webmaster. I only agree partly with this. I think that everyone should be involved in the choice of interface, and I'll stick with the idea of the submission of several different layouts that everyone can look at and decide if they like it or not, on a voting basis, not as a competition. For example, I think that tadream.copfer.com has a very professional looking interface that does interesting things when you move the cursor around the screen. I've been toying with the idea of changing my homepage to show just one large circular image that has a series of 'hotspots' on it that come to life when you move the mouse over them (circles have cropped up a lot on TD sleeves. Look at Hyperborea, White Eagle, Force Majeure, Tyger, Destination Berlin, Rockoon, Tangents, Turn of the Tides, Tyranny of Beauty, Goblin's Club, Jim and Pablo, Tournado, TimeSquare, Ambient Monkeys, Dream Encores, Quinoa, Valentine Wheels, ...they all have a circular design or have one or more spheres on them somewhere). Trouble is, I've no idea how to create something like this. (Could this be a thinly-veiled question in Joe Shoult's direction?). In fact, that would be my suggestion for the homepage of the new site.... > All the basic info that makes a lot of sense to keep in only one place, > i.e. the FAQ, basic discographies etc. One thing I feel very strongly about is this: I think that there should be a definitive discography with contributions from various sources. What I mean is, one which contains all the elements of the best discographies currently in existance. Let me make myself a bit clearer (I apologise in advance if anyone out there who reads this has a discography of the type that I describe below, I'm just giving my view, which after all is the very essence of the Internet): Some discographies have enormous amounts of information in text form, and hence are very cumbersome and frankly not very nice to look at (let's face it, a telephone directory is very comprehensive, but it's not the sort of thing you pick up and browse through like a good book with pictures) Other discographies have lots of relatively small sleeve images all on the same page and no information about the releases, so you wait for hours while the page downloads for nothing more than a series of pretty pictures. My discography has good quality images which can be enlarged and is very comprehensive, BUT it only contains one or two catalogue numbers for each release, usually for CDs only, and being English myself it's heavily biased towards UK and/or European releases. Nor does it contain a great deal of information about re-releases and re-masters, which I think is important if you happen to be using the discography to make a choice about which particular release version to buy... And I haven't even mentioned the bootlegs yet, which are totally absent from my pages, and which would be a much more ambitious project... So, to summarise, it's true that some elements would be best to just link to, and others should be on the site, but if they are, they need to be 'all singing and all dancing', i.e. very complete, with search engines and everything...half measures would be a waste of time, it would just end up being a page like any other... Well, there you go Klaus, you wanted to invite discussion!!! Paul From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Feb 9, 2000 7:59 pm Subject: Idea for the new TD page Ok, this perhaps is illegal, please correct me if I'm wrong. But we could upload very low-quality (maybe 48 or 56 kb) MP3s of the main TD tracks and extracts of the most loved parts of the longer tracks to this new page. Couldn't we? Or maybe using the idea of the Vault, make these files available only to the mailing list members, so the new fans could, after subscribing to the list, listen to the album samples and choose which album to buy next, or something like that. Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 12:18 am Subject: What a Blast (Architecture in Motion) video Well, I just received my set of What a Blast videos, after a bit of a search. Finally got lucky and picked up the whole set on ebay for $4! The 'Architecture in Motion' video is the one that has the Tangerine Dream soundtrack. It's like a 'music video' of buildings being demolished. It's pretty entertaining. There is one sequence with kaleidoscopic effects, similar to the 220 Volt Live 'Phaedra' sequence, only with clips of demolition. There are also various minor visual and audio effects to 'kick it' a bit. The clips are mostly the same clips used in the other videos in the set of 4 videos, which includes 'Detonation Countdown' 'Demolition Artist' and 'For Kids' in addition to the 'Architecture in Motion' video. Hey, it's a little 'camp,' but entertaining! And it's a Tangerine Dream item to collect! The regular 'What a Blast - Architecture in Motion' TD CD has become a favorite of mine already. James Horecka, AIA, Architect jhorecka@p... http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka DataCAD Roundhouse: http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka/DCADLinks.html From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 12:17 am Subject: Sv: Idea for the new TD page A great idea, but you can't put anything on the page without permission from TD. No matter how bad the quality or if you put it so only members can hear them it is still illegal. We'll just have to get some permissions from TD. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Gustavo Jobim To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 8:59 PM Subject: [tadream] Idea for the new TD page > From: Gustavo Jobim > > Ok, this perhaps is illegal, please correct me if I'm wrong. > > But we could upload very low-quality (maybe 48 or 56 kb) MP3s of the main > TD tracks and extracts of the most loved parts of the longer tracks to this > new page. Couldn't we? > > Or maybe using the idea of the Vault, make these files available only to > the mailing list members, so the new fans could, after subscribing to the > list, listen to the album samples and choose which album to buy next, or > something like that. > > Gustavo F. 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Click around on the graphic on our homepage (link above). > > From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 2:55 am Subject: Librarians, Libraries, Donations, and TD >Date: 9 Feb 00 20:17:54 MET >Subject Re: [tadream] Remove the dust... >From: Tangerine Dream mailing list >Really-From: Peter Ravn >Hi, >I am a long time TD fan - making parts of my collection dusty. Therefor >I from time to give away CD's with TD (from my trade collection) to >libraries (I am an librarian!). Another librarian! That makes three Tangerine Dream fans on this that are librarians that I know of: you, Scott Plumer, and me. >In Denmark many libraries carry CD's. To Lyngby library in Copenhagen I >donated several CD's aong them - Mars Polaris - Poland - Exit - a TD >compilation - and they loved it.... >So remove the dust of you collectiona and donate CD's ... >Just a suggestion... A good one. I collected comic books for 25 years, and do the same with them. >Regards, >Peter Ravn -- Steven Feldman From: Vic Rek Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 3:23 am Subject: Okefenokee Gig in 2 Months! Well, the Okefenokee gig will be happening sooner than you think. Please mark your calendars for April 9th for the TD event of 2000 - exactly 2 months from now! Here is a quick summary: April 9-13 at Okefenokee Swamp, Georgia USA - contact me for most travel details. Planned activities: - canoe trip in the swamp - (overnight if possible for the adventurous - this will cost extra) - TD giveaways (that means everyone brings one TD item that they can part with for exchange) - Special one-of-a-kind gifts to participants (my wife will take care of this) - sport events such as volleyball and frisbee - an EM concert by fans and professional musican(s) Nice facilities are available, actually there is a nice little stage and an amphitheatre (Marcel and friends, we're counting on you!) - a CD-R release of music celebrating this event - can anyone make a nice cover of: '3 AM at the Border of the Marsh from Okefenokee'. It would be nice if TD would authorize a limited CD-R release of the original release to be included in the set - 100 copies maximum? ;-) - And a beautiful restful time at a place like no other that exists on this Earth! - childern are invited (but you must watch them) and pets are not allowed. And many other neat events that all participants will cherish and tell their Grandchildren! Let's do it! Cottages are already reserved and I'll post more info as the date approaches. I will soon ask for firm commitments on the cottage spaces. The cottages will run less than $10 per night. Also, I am doing it just for the adventure of celebrating our favorite band. There is no profit in it and if anything, I'll foot the remaining costs so we can at least relax and get to know each other. I hope we can all meet and 'Have a Blast!' Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20826 Re: Okefenokee Gig in 2 Months! Robert Grabowsky Thu 2/10/2000 1 KB 20847 Re: Okefenokee Gig in 2 Months! Marcel Engels Fri 2/11/2000 2 KB 20848 Re: Okefenokee Gig in 2 Months! Vic Rek Fri 2/11/2000 2 KB 20850 Re: Okefenokee Gig in 2 Months! Michael A Jean Fri 2/11/2000 1 KB 20866 Re: Okefenokee Gig in 2 Months! Vic Rek Sat 2/12/2000 1 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 4:21 am Subject: Idea for 3AM cover I don't have the skill to make a cover for the CD, but I got an idea: an empty canoe, floating in the marsh, with the sky filled with stars and a full moon. (Or the phase in which the moon will be on 9/Apr.) And '3 AM at the Border of the Marsh from Okefenokee' written by the side of the moon, with white letters, but showing only the borders of the letters, you know what I mean? Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 4:32 am Subject: Re: Okefenokee Gig in 2 Months! Vic, I will get to work on a cover for this over the weekend. THE HIGHLANDER > - a CD-R release of music celebrating this event - can anyone make a >nice cover of: > '3 AM at the Border of the Marsh from Okefenokee'. It would be nice if >TD would authorize a limited CD-R release of the original release to be >included in the set - 100 copies maximum? ;-) > From: Joel Mullen Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 6:25 am Subject: New Tadream.org/net Site Design Hello all- Just a few quick suggestions. I think that the organization of the discography is very important. And without naming names some people try and get too 'high-teck' with all sorts of frames and it takes forever to load and is just not user friendly. Especially if you are viewing it on a smaller monitor than it was created on. Then you just have a pile of small frames and little 'sliders' I think the best way to do it is to have different levels of detail. With the first level just being basically a text-only list (no thumbnails) The next level would have a 25-50% size (or so) scan of the cover(s) and some detail about the different catalog numbers and release dates. Further levels of detail might include actual scans of the CDs themselves (at a readable scale) and/or booklets or whatever is available. Submissions should be kept as uniform as possible. For example here is the Klaus Schulze web-site. Check out the discography. It is simple, quick, readable and lends itself to expansion of detail.----- (look at the discography) http://www.klaus-schulze.com/welcome.htm Obviously the site is functional, but plain (maybe that is why it loads so fast) We should dress up the TD site a bit more, but lets be careful as to not provide more information on a page than is reasonable. BTW KDM did the same thing for his ASHRA site too. Again very usable. One thing I did not like was the fact that non-current catalog numbers were dropped off. I would like to see ALL catalog numbers listed (ala Voices in the Dunes) with the current ones highlighted or something. Paul Fellows-- http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html Paul Fellows is on the right track with his page, I like the detail pages for each release (with alternate covers shown, track times, links to film pages, recording dates ets.) I would like to see more detail in the catalog numbers and some discussion about the differences (maybe a link deeper) Also something needs to be done about the initial listing of the names of the releases. A format more like the KS site (but with even more detail than that) would be a good place to start the links from. (also note in the KS discography you can go to the next releases back or forward without going back to the release list) Enough talking, go check out the sites for yourself. Regards, Joel Mullen From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 7:08 am Subject: Re: Remove the dust... Peter Ravn wrote: > I am a long time TD fan - making parts of my collection dusty. Therefor I from > time to give away CD's with TD (from my trade collection) to libraries (I am > an librarian!). > In Denmark many libraries carry CD's. To Lyngby library in Copenhagen I > donated several CD's aong them - Mars Polaris - Poland - Exit - a TD > compilation - and they loved it.... > > So remove the dust of you collectiona and donate CD's ... > Just a suggestion... Yes, send them to me...I'm also a librarian (honestly!) ;-) Heiko From: PENFOLD Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 7:24 am Subject: Re : tadream.org/net At 2000.02.09 x 12:44, Paul Fellows wrote: >interesting things when you move the cursor around the screen. I've been >toying with the idea of changing my homepage to show just one large circular >image that has a series of 'hotspots' on it that come to life when you move >the mouse over them (circles have cropped up a lot on TD sleeves. Look at >Hyperborea, White Eagle, Force Majeure, Tyger, Destination Berlin, Rockoon, >Tangents, Turn of the Tides, Tyranny of Beauty, Goblin's Club, Jim and >Pablo, Tournado, TimeSquare, Ambient Monkeys, Dream Encores, Quinoa, >Valentine Wheels, ...they all have a circular design or have one or more >spheres on them somewhere) Haven't you seen TD's _Tyrrany of Beauty_ interactive preview floppy disk? *Lots* of circles! as for web design. Have separate pages for the different ways we might catalogue our TD (I keep my CD's in order of release, but separated into Studio/Live/Soundtrack/Compilation/Single categories) As an artist it's be cool to see each type of discographical listing have it's own 'look & feel' €0.02 Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... Saw copy of _The Keep_ LP, held it in his hands, but didn't have the $ 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese, on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Jens Kilian Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 8:09 am Subject: Re: OT, Ozric Tentacles Here's a second, more ambivalent opinion on Ozric Tentacles' music: I went to their concert in Santa Cruz last summer, and while it was a great show, I had expected something more TD-like than what was delivered. This is not to say that I hated it, but it *was* far from anything I would buy. The show was also *VERY*, *VERY* loud. Louder than TD on the last tour, and definitely beyond my pain threshold. So, you might want to sample their work before deciding to hear them live. (OTOH, if you enjoy live music, go anyway.) Bye, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: 'Patrik .' Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 1:32 pm Subject: Rendevouz 6:02 Hi there Dreamers, Just a thought: It would be great if we could have a get-together, maybe in Denmark or somewhere in Northern Germany. Have a chat and a beer! A kind of European Swamp-thing without a swamp! Anyone interested? Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20832 Re: Rendevouz 6:02 Heiko Heerssen Thu 2/10/2000 1 KB 20833 Re: Rendevouz 6:02 craig.cordrey@g... Thu 2/10/2000 2 KB 20835 Re: Rendevouz 6:02 Patrik . Thu 2/10/2000 1 KB 20836 Re: Rendevouz 6:02 craig.cordrey@g... Thu 2/10/2000 1 KB 20837 Re: Rendevouz 6:02 Joe Shoults Thu 2/10/2000 1 KB 20845 Re: Rendevouz 6:02 Patrik . Fri 2/11/2000 1 KB 20852 Re: Rendevouz 6:02 Jens Peschke Fri 2/11/2000 2 KB 20854 Re: Rendevouz 6:02 Derk Fri 2/11/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 9:50 am Subject: Re: Rendevouz 6:02 Patrik . wrote: > Hi there Dreamers, > > Just a thought: > > It would be great if we could have a get-together, maybe in Denmark or > somewhere in Northern Germany. > Have a chat and a beer! A kind of European Swamp-thing without a swamp! > Anyone interested? Hey, Northern Germany is where I live (south of Hamburg). Although Denmark would also be o.k. (what about Legoland? ;-) Count me in! Heiko From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 9:58 am Subject: Re: Rendevouz 6:02 >From: 'Patrik .' > > >Hi there Dreamers, > >Just a thought: > >It would be great if we could have a get-together, maybe in Denmark or >somewhere in Northern Germany. >Have a chat and a beer! A kind of European Swamp-thing without a swamp! > >Anyone interested? There are already two electronic music festivals held in the Netherlands each year : Alfa Centauri (March) and E-Live (October). I'd suggest that any such gathering would benefit from being able to gather at this type of event so that there would be good music to listen to as well as meeting fellow dreamers. As for this year's AC, it is with heavy heart that I must again back out of making it. Work and study commitments make it difficult to take the days out I'd like to. I'll have to make do with concert reports from attendees. Cheers for now, -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: atasoft760209@y... Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 10:10 am Subject: something went wrong Hi! Something happened to my ONElist membership, because this week I didn't get any letters from you, fans. I surfed to ONElist, but it says my membership's okay. Then, what's the matter? If someone knows, please send me a mail: atasoft760209@y... Thanks, Attila Gyory Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20838 Re: something went wrong Joe Shoults Thu 2/10/2000 1 KB From: 'Patrik .' Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 2:30 pm Subject: Re: Rendevouz 6:02 Well then, Alpha Centauri sounds good! Any details about AC? Legoland?? *lol* Yeah....see you there Heiko! Patrik ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 11:51 am Subject: Re: Rendevouz 6:02 >From: 'Patrik .' > > > >Well then, Alpha Centauri sounds good! Any details about AC? AC is on March 25th. Artists this year are Robert Rich, Patrick Kosmos, Radio Massacre International, Mind~Flux, Pyramid Peak and Wave World (NL). This is being organised by Quantum Productions, but I can't seem to get through to their web site just now. The above info taken from Groove Unlimited. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 12:58 pm Subject: RE: Rendevouz 6:02 where can I get more info about Alpha Centauri? do they have a website? joe > -----Original Message----- > From: craig.cordrey@g... [mailto:craig.cordrey@g...] ... > There are already two electronic music festivals held in the > Netherlands each > year : Alfa Centauri (March) and E-Live (October). I'd suggest > From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 1:06 pm Subject: RE: something went wrong Are you getting them now? Your account looks fine to me. Contact me directly off-list and we'll figure it out. joe > -----Original Message----- > From: atasoft760209@y... [mailto:atasoft760209@y...] > Something happened to my ONElist membership, because this week I > didn't get any letters from you, fans. I surfed to ONElist, but > it says my membership's okay. Then, what's the matter? > > If someone knows, please send me a mail: From: 'Thomas' Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 3:21 pm Subject: SV: Rendevouz 6:02 Joe, check out this site, it's the homepage of Quantumproductions and Eric J. Snelders. They arrange Alpha Centauri. http://home.wxs.nl/~quantumproductions Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > where can I get more info about Alpha Centauri? do they have a website? > > joe > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: craig.cordrey@g... [mailto:craig.cordrey@g...] > ... > > There are already two electronic music festivals held in the > > Netherlands each > > year : Alfa Centauri (March) and E-Live (October). I'd suggest From: 'twosheds' Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 4:06 pm Subject: Re: Okefenokee deal >- TD giveaways (that means everyone brings one TD item that they can >part with for exchange) I can see it now: 100 copies of Rockoon! But seriously, what kind of gear are you recording the music part of the event with? Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20841 Re: Okefenokee deal Joel Mullen Thu 2/10/2000 1 KB 20849 Re: Okefenokee deal Gabe Yedid Fri 2/11/2000 1 KB From: Joel Mullen Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 4:16 pm Subject: RE: Re: Okefenokee deal On Thursday, February 10, 2000 10:07 AM, twosheds [SMTP:twosheds@g...] wrote: > From: 'twosheds' > > >- TD giveaways (that means everyone brings one TD item that they can > >part with for exchange) > > I can see it now: 100 copies of Rockoon! Let's hope not! ;-) If I am able to attend (and there is a good chance I will) this is what I am bringing along---- Optical Race (plus Mothers of Rain, SunGate, Ghazal) (Promo-CD5 Germany Private Music 662 083) Later! Regards, Joel From: 'Phil White' Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 7:59 pm Subject: Ashley Franklin Support UK TD fans please react to the following posted in the Electronics newsgroup and make your feelings known concerning the following.... The only UK station to my knowledge to actually PLAY Tangerine Dream and associated Electronica....protest now by emailing..... ashley.franklin@b... ATB.... Phil White ----- Original Message ----- > From: '* MIRAI *' > > From the Derby Evening Telegraph, Wednesday 9 February 2000. > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > RADIO Derby presenter Ashley Franklin could be leaving the airwaves > > after being told that his job at the station is to go. Mr Franklin (45) > > was told on Monday that his post as arts and entertainment producer had > > been scrapped, leaving him the option of redundancy or redeployment in > > the BBC. The move is part of nation-wide cutbacks by the corporation but > > Mr Franklin said that the decision to axe his job came out of the blue. > > As reported in later editions yesterday, he said: 'I am devastated, I > > feel completely crushed. I have been at Radio Derby for 22 years and > > been in front of a BBC local radio microphone since I was 15. I have > > worked long hours without complaint. I love my work but I feel now as > > though it has all been for nothing'. > > > > Mr Franklin, who lives in Milford, co-ordinates all of the radio > > station's arts and entertainment coverage. He also organises the > > Paradiso Club at the UCI cinema. Two years ago he won a silver Sony > > award for his series A Cinema Near You. He has been nominated for this > > year's awards which, he says, he finds 'ironic'. > > ________________________________________________ > > > > FYI: If you are not already aware, Ashley Franklin's 'Soundscapes' radio > > show is the only show of it's kind in Britain which offers support to > > Electronic Music. Not only that, but strong support to a variety of > > local musicians. From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 8:33 pm Subject: re meetings and live events Hey folks, all this talk of meetings.....If the band are watching......please play Glastonbury festival. Let the fans meet there. Then again, it is rather big for meeting people! On another subject in the UK on 9 February Channel 5 showed a film called 'Her costly affair' with music by a Mr Michael Hoenig. Did anyone see it? Music was classical and relaxing a bit like John Tesh. The idea of the TD website sounds good. I like the suggestion of the different levels of discography so that you can click on as much info as you want. I would like to see some scanned in pictures on tour programmes. Does anyone have a Cyclone 78 programme? I would love to see a copy. I think I might be able to find some of the old press articles and newspaper cuttings that I have. Is that of any interest to anyone for the site? Perhaps the site could have a survey of the professions that fans have. It looks like librarians would win. What other professions does the music appeal to? Can we see this on a pie chart? Just kidding! David fozdg@d... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 8:40 pm Subject: Re : tadream.org/net Hi all, >De : PENFOLD >as for web design. Have separate pages for the different ways we might >catalogue our TD (I keep my CD's in order of release, but separated into >Studio/Live/Soundtrack/Compilation/Single categories) > >As an artist it's be cool to see each type of discographical listing have it's >own 'look & feel' I have already given different colour schemes to each type of format (albums, singles, film/video and Edgar Froese solo) on my pages. The problems start when you try to subdivide them further. Are all the live albums really live for example? Which category do you place Mars Polaris in? I think that three separate links on the homepage to three listings in alphabetical, chronological by release and chronological by recording date order respectively would be sufficient. I'd like to know if there's a way to sort the pages into the correct date order automatically, can anyone out there answer this question? Paul From: 'Patrik .' Date: Fri Feb 11, 2000 12:42 am Subject: Re: Rendevouz 6:02 From: craig.cordrey@g... AC is on March 25th. Artists this year are Robert Rich, Patrick Kosmos, Radio Massacre International, Mind~Flux, Pyramid Peak and Wave World (NL). This is being organised by Quantum Productions, but I can't seem to get through to their web site just now. The above info taken from Groove Unlimited. OK Craig, thanks for the info! Patrik ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Ray' Date: Thu Feb 10, 2000 11:08 pm Subject: The Keep - Blue Moon release. The Keep - Blue Moon release. Unofficial release. Can someone tell me please. does soundtrack includes the music from the following scenes: The scene where the two German Soldiers are running into the keep to pull the 'silver' cross out of the wall The scene where the demon is carrying the professor's daughter back to her room after saving her from the S.S. The scene leading up to the climactic battle where the characters are converging on the main hall of the keep for the showdown All answers appreciated. Thanks in advance - Ray Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20855 Re: The Keep - Blue Moon release. joe shoults Fri 2/11/2000 1 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Feb 11, 2000 12:23 am Subject: RE: Okefenokee Gig in 2 Months! > From: Vic Rek > - an EM concert by fans and professional musican(s) Nice facilities are > available, actually there is a nice little stage and an amphitheatre > (Marcel and friends, we're counting on you!) Who else will be there? Which musicians? I'm definitely coming, but I wanted to do an improvisation together with other musicians (especially Paul, but it seems he has some difficulties in life...:-() I may play fragments of my music but I won't take all the gear with me (would be impossible...I'll have to hire a van and try to get that into a plane???) > Let's do it! Cottages are already reserved and I'll post more info as > the date approaches. I will soon ask for firm commitments on the cottage > spaces. The cottages will run less than $10 per night. Also, I am doing > it just for the adventure of celebrating our favorite band. There is no > profit in it and if anything, I'll foot the remaining costs so we can at > least relax and get to know each other. I'll stay there for a few days I think, but is it necessary to stay there from 9th till 13th? For me it's a vacation too and I definitely want to see the country! I'll probably stay there for 2 weeks. Hmmm why not ask...are there any places I could sleep? :-) If not, I'll stay at various hotels... Later! Marcel From: Vic Rek Date: Fri Feb 11, 2000 2:09 am Subject: Re: Okefenokee Gig in 2 Months! Hey Marcel, Here are some additional details... > From: 'Marcel Engels' > > - an EM concert by fans and professional musican(s) Nice facilities are > > available, actually there is a nice little stage and an amphitheatre > > (Marcel and friends, we're counting on you!) > > Who else will be there? Which musicians? > I'm definitely coming, but I wanted to do an improvisation together with > other > musicians (especially Paul, but it seems he has some difficulties in > life...:-() > I may play fragments of my music but I won't take all the gear with me > (would be > impossible...I'll have to hire a van and try to get that into a plane???) Great to have you here. If you want to arrange getting into Atlanta earlier and spend a few days - let me know and you can stay with our family. I'm not sure what's going on with Paul, but what would it take to get him here. I have a CD-R he sent me which is very good. I think both of your styles would blend in well. > > I'll stay there for a few days I think, but is it necessary to stay there > from > 9th till 13th? For me it's a vacation too and I definitely want to see the > country! I'll probably stay there for 2 weeks. Hmmm why not ask...are there > any places I could sleep? :-) If not, I'll stay at various hotels... > No, of course there is no obligation to stay any length of time, actually the cottages are reserved for a longer period for those that may want to just relax and vacation a few days more. One or two nights would be nice. I would plan for the main days/nights to be Sunday and Monday. Anyone have some suggestions on which EM musician can make it here from the US? Vic From: Gabe Yedid Date: Fri Feb 11, 2000 4:07 am Subject: RE: Re: Okefenokee deal On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Joel Mullen wrote: > Let's hope not! ;-) If I am able to attend (and there is a good chance I will) > this is what I am bringing along---- > > Optical Race (plus Mothers of Rain, SunGate, Ghazal) > (Promo-CD5 Germany Private Music 662 083) You've just made Vic Rek an incredibly happy man, you know that? (Or did Vic already find it somewhere else?) I only know this since he once asked me if I could find it... > Later! > > Regards, > > Joel cheers, Gabe NP: Console: _Rocket In The Pocket_ --it's like a strange 3-way mix of early Kraftwerk, early Orbital, and Mouse On Mars...the track 'Dolphin Dos' is pretty cool, IMO. From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Feb 11, 2000 4:24 am Subject: RE: Okefenokee Gig in 2 Months! How about Bil Vermette.... He lives near me... MJ > > Anyone have some suggestions on which EM musician can make it here from > the US? > > Vic > > From: Chris Richards Date: Fri Feb 11, 2000 7:29 am Subject: Re:Silver Scale This is the best track on disc five of Tangents. I have a couple bootlegs that have versions of it, from the early 80's. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Death Before Dishonour Dishonour Before Disco __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Fri Feb 11, 2000 5:53 pm Subject: Re: Rendevouz 6:02 Like Craig I too highly recommend attending those Dutch festivals. Patrik and Heiko, if you haven't been there yet - do so ! :-) I still remember being the first time on one of those festivals some time ago and it surely was overhelming - felling like a boy in a candy store with loads of cd's dancing attendence. For those interested attending alfa 2000 (which is held in Huizen), I'd recommend staying in A'dam (20 minutes drive), as Huizen itself is pretty small. They have some good hotels close to Huizen, tho. If you aren't sure yet - Waveworld will have a brilliant professional video on display. I was watching some stunning bits during the last e-live festival and can't hardly wait getting the full monty. :-) Marcel Engels and a few other list members will be there. Best Regards Jens From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Fri Feb 11, 2000 6:05 pm Subject: Re : tadream.org/net Hi all, Just an idea for the homepage of the new site. The most visually impressive web site I've ever seen had an excellent gimmick, I've no idea how on earth it was done, but whenever you moved your cursor around the screen, a cluster of tiny 'particles' followed it everywhere it went, a bit like iron filings attracted to a magnet... Well, I thought it was good at the time... Paul From: Derk Date: Fri Feb 11, 2000 7:25 pm Subject: Re: Rendevouz 6:02 'Patrik .' wrote: >Well then, Alpha Centauri sounds good! Any details about AC? From the Dutch Progressive Rock Page (http://www.dprp.vuurwerk.nl): 7th Alfa Centauri Annual Electronic Music Festival 25/03 Huizen, Theater 3 in 1 (13:00) with: Patrick Kosmos (B) Mindflux (D) Pyramid Peak (D) Radio Massacre International (UK) Robert Rich (USA) Wave World (NL) Being quite new to the electronic music scene (if not TD) I don't know any of these acts although I heard a few mp3 snippets of Pyramid Peak (and liked what I heard) but organising a TD meeting on this day sounds like a great idea. Count me in for sure! I'd love the opportunity to talk to other die hard fans about one of my favourite bands. There's only a few people I know that are in TD and almost all of them were introduced to the band by me! BTW, nice to see a UK fan on the list (the subject is meant as a reference to one of their songs isn't it?). Great band, but sadly way too shortlived. Derk From: 'joe shoults' Date: Fri Feb 11, 2000 8:09 pm Subject: RE: The Keep - Blue Moon release. I don't remember which music is in the other scenes you mentioned, but the scene below uses a piece from Logos. I remember it because I thought it was a strange choice of music for that scene. Not the right music mood for an eminent Molasar Munch. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray [mailto:ray.hallett@l...] ... > The Keep - Blue Moon release. > Unofficial release. > > Can someone tell me please. > > does soundtrack includes the music from the following > scenes: > > The scene where the two German Soldiers are running > into the keep to pull the 'silver' cross out of the > wall > From: Felna Greymane Date: Sat Feb 12, 2000 12:17 am Subject: IRC What server are they running the chat on now? So many changes, I've lost track.... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20857 Re: IRC Carlo Ruggiero Fri 2/11/2000 1 KB 21763 IRC Gustavo Jobim Fri 4/7/2000 2 KB From: Carlo Ruggiero Date: Fri Feb 11, 2000 10:16 pm Subject: Re: IRC Greymane, We are on SorceryNet Carlo/ctdreamer From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Feb 12, 2000 1:09 am Subject: Franke Update The producers of the TV series 'The Outer Limits' chose Christopher Franke to compose the music for the season premiere 'Judgment Day' (January 21st on Showtime). The new soundtrack compilation album 'New Music For Films Vol2' from Christopher Franke will be released on February 28, 2000. The new TV series '18 Wheels of Justice' with music by Christopher Franke started on January 12th on TNN T he 'Earthtone Collection Two' compilation CD from Earthtone Records contains a new track from Christopher Franke. The first Christopher Franke Best-Of album 'epic' features two new tracks. Regards, Michael A. Jean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20863 Re: Franke Update Jim Moore Sat 2/12/2000 1 KB 20869 Re: Franke Update tom george Sun 2/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Sat Feb 12, 2000 1:36 am Subject: E-MUSIC LIVE Hi guys just another one of my passing thoughts , how come the Netherlands can host two major EM festivals a year and the UK cant manage to put at least one on ? Surly there is enough home grown talent out there to put on a great day for all UK EM fans . I know there is the usual hassle , venue , cost etc etc but there must be a promoter out there somewhere in TD land who could at least give it a go . Or have I got it wrong AGAIN and am missing the big picture , Now your gonna tell me there already is a festival aren't you . ' Orch ' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20860 Re: E-MUSIC LIVE Nick Adams Sat 2/12/2000 2 KB 20864 Re: E-MUSIC LIVE Carl & Jacqui Kearney Sat 2/12/2000 2 KB From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Sat Feb 12, 2000 8:45 am Subject: Re: E-MUSIC LIVE > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Hi guys just another one of my passing thoughts , how come the Netherlands > can host two major EM festivals a year and the UK cant manage to put at > least one on ? > Surly there is enough home grown talent out there to put on a great day for > all UK EM fans . > Now your gonna tell me there already is a festival aren't you . Carl here are a few dates for upcoming EM festivals in the uk UTD & RMI @ Jodrell Bank mar 11th Arcane & Paul Nagle @ Jodrell bank Apr 22nd Kubusschnitt & Airsculpture @ Jodrell bank May 13th Asana / Cerulean @ Jodrell bank June 3rd Klause Schulze with Manual Gotsching @ the Royal Festival hall London Apr 2nd There are also rumours of a Santana tour around the UK does anybody know any details about this one ? Nick NP Peter Mergener / African smile Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Feb 12, 2000 9:46 am Subject: Discussion Week 22 - Sunday 13th February 2000 This weeks discussion is onto the excellent live album Poland. Please make your subject 'D:Live [Poland] when posting comments or reviews. Also, having just read a whole weeks email, it seems that my last reminder about Hyperborea never made it to the list. Still, most of you were discussing it anyway... but if you would like to post comments on Hyperborea still, please do so this week also, with the subject 'D:Studio [Hyperborea]' Many thanks, Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sat Feb 12, 2000 10:36 am Subject: SV: E-MUSIC LIVE >From: 'Nick Adams' >Carl here are a few dates for upcoming EM festivals in the uk > >UTD & RMI @ Jodrell Bank mar 11th >Arcane & Paul Nagle @ Jodrell bank Apr 22nd >Kubusschnitt & Airsculpture @ Jodrell bank May 13th >Asana / Cerulean @ Jodrell bank June 3rd >Klause Schulze with Manual Gotsching @ the Royal Festival hall London Apr >2nd Are these really FESTIVALS, it looks more like ordinary concerts but with 2 acts to me. all the best, Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Emusic www.itsahit.com/emusic From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Feb 12, 2000 2:19 pm Subject: RE: Franke Update > The new TV series '18 Wheels of Justice' with music by Christopher Franke > started on January 12th on TNN Yes, but will there be a soundtrack??? - jim --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Kid's were different then. They didn't have their heads filled with all this Cartesian Dualism...' -- Michael Palin Jim Moore -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA -- E-mail: jimbo@v... From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Sat Feb 12, 2000 4:23 pm Subject: Re: E-MUSIC LIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Nick Adams' To: Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] E-MUSIC LIVE > From: 'Nick Adams' > > > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > > > Hi guys just another one of my passing thoughts , how come the Netherlands > > can host two major EM festivals a year and the UK cant manage to put at > > least one on ? > > Surly there is enough home grown talent out there to put on a great day > for > > all UK EM fans . > > Now your gonna tell me there already is a festival aren't you . > > Carl here are a few dates for upcoming EM festivals in the uk > > UTD & RMI @ Jodrell Bank mar 11th > Arcane & Paul Nagle @ Jodrell bank Apr 22nd > Kubusschnitt & Airsculpture @ Jodrell bank May 13th > Asana / Cerulean @ Jodrell bank June 3rd > Klause Schulze with Manual Gotsching @ the Royal Festival hall London Apr > 2nd > > There are also rumours of a Santana tour around the UK does anybody know any > details about this one. Hi Nick yes I am going to all the JB gigs ( I think ) But would not say they were classed as a festival . Now then Santana I know they are due to play one concert at the Albert Hall some time in June I think but have not heard of a full tour . If you get any more info I would be glad of a copy . Best regards Carl . From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Feb 12, 2000 6:58 pm Subject: D:Live [Poland] Howdy! So, Polandweek. The first TD albums I bought were White Eagle and Extracts from Poland, at the same time. IMO Poland has some of TD greatest sequences, and some nice moments, like the woody sounds in the middle of the title track. It's a great album. That's it. Gustavo F. Jobim uses Eudora Light gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20941 Re: D:Live [Poland] Nigbur D Fri 2/18/2000 4 KB 20948 Re: D:Live [Poland] Richard Ford Fri 2/18/2000 1 KB 20949 Re: D:Live [Poland] Michael A Jean Fri 2/18/2000 2 KB 20950 Re: D:Live [Poland] Michael A Jean Sat 2/19/2000 2 KB 20988 D:Live [Poland] Yensen, Stephen Wed 2/23/2000 2 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Feb 12, 2000 9:27 pm Subject: Re: Okefenokee Gig in 2 Months! Robert, Have at it for the CD-R cover. Gustavo from Brazil has some suggestions too so please give me a call. Anyone else that has ideas for the cover please e-mail both of us. Vic Robert Grabowsky wrote: > > From: Robert Grabowsky > > Vic, > I will get to work on a cover for this over the weekend. > THE HIGHLANDER > > > - a CD-R release of music celebrating this event - can anyone make a > >nice cover of: > > '3 AM at the Border of the Marsh from Okefenokee'. It would be nice if > >TD would authorize a limited CD-R release of the original release to be > >included in the set - 100 copies maximum? ;-) > > From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Feb 12, 2000 11:03 pm Subject: Slammin' Cinematic Experience Well, I just spent over 1 hour trying to navigate two music websites: http://gemm.com and http://www.harmonyhouse.com Both of these sites use so many gracphics and database searches that you have to be very patient to get any feedback. And what's worst of all, I think the data is bogus (incorrect). If you search gemm for TD you will have to wait forever then you'll receive a TD list of hundreds of items for sale or bid - please spare yourself the hassel - this website is painful. And harmonyhouse.com is even more painful. I tried to buy a few samplers. It took me a few minutes to download each page and again the sampler information was not correct. What databases do these sites use? Don't they know that their sites suck? Check harmonyhouse and you'll get an interesting history of TD when you search on them. Then they list TD albums and a 'reference only' list which features many bootlegs. They even list the Marakesh promo CD as a reference which is selling close to $200 these days on eBay. No, they are not selling one so don't bother. Anyway, I was frustrated using these non-usable sites. So take your chance, but beware that I have warned you. Oh, and the title 'Slammin' Cinematic Experience' was a various artist title on harmonyhouse that listed all of the tracks to TD's 'Rockoon'! Go figure? :-) Vic P.S. TD's web page always works great! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20872 Re: Slammin' Cinematic Experience Robert Grabowsky Sun 2/13/2000 1 KB From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 12:19 am Subject: (Other) Help needed using fonts on web site Hi all I am having a major problem in using a particular font on only one of my web pages. As many of you here are well conversed in HTML I was wondering if some kind soul could help me out. I decided to use a different font from the usual to try and give the page (Timeleaf Project) a certain look. The problem is that when people go to that particular page, they only see it using the normal font. The font I am using is not one of Windows normal ones, and I suspect that I have to load it to my web site and have it download somehow when the page is accessed. I'm sure this is easy, I've looked in all of the help files, but nowhere can I find any mention of this. Any help would be appreciated -- Richard Ford http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 1:34 am Subject: RE: Franke Update and will it suck like 'Pacific Blue'? seeing as how the show is about country life and 18 wheelers i would not care to find out. tom -- On Sat, 12 Feb 2000 09:19:03 Jim Moore wrote: >From: 'Jim Moore' > >> The new TV series '18 Wheels of Justice' with music by Christopher Franke >> started on January 12th on TNN > >Yes, but will there be a soundtrack??? > >- jim > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >'Kid's were different then. They didn't have their heads filled with all >this Cartesian Dualism...' -- Michael Palin >Jim Moore -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA -- E-mail: jimbo@v... > > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. ZERO. 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Click around on the graphic on our homepage (link above). > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 3:41 am Subject: jim & pablo Der Meteor i just received this in the mail today. i was warned in advance that there was very little music to this. if i understood German it might be alright. the thing that scares me is that inside the book they list 10 other Jim & Pablo stories. don't tell me that this series will become like the Franke Episodics. if so, i guess my obsession with collecting everything by TD will end because there is no way i will buy 10 more talking cds that i can't even understand. tom Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20873 Re: jim & pablo KMu9978842@a... Sun 2/13/2000 1 KB 20874 Re: jim & pablo tom george Sun 2/13/2000 1 KB 20875 Re: jim & pablo Richard Ford Sun 2/13/2000 1 KB From: 'Eric Rochon' Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 3:40 am Subject: I am searching for James Owens. Could you send me the address for the artwork of Sonic Render. Thank you Éric [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21094 (no subject) Yensen, Stephen Thu 3/2/2000 4 KB 21847 (no subject) Eric Rochon Tue 4/11/2000 2 KB 22030 (no subject) Bert.Hulshoff@N... Mon 4/17/2000 2 KB 22397 (no subject) John Marchington Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB 22706 (no subject) Yensen, Stephen Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB 22885 (no subject) Daryoush Tahmasebi Fri 6/9/2000 2 KB 23644 (no subject) Owens, James Mon 8/14/2000 2 KB 24056 (no subject) Gabe Yedid Fri 9/22/2000 2 KB 25656 (no subject) keri.ford@p... Sat 1/13/2001 3 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 4:46 am Subject: Re: Slammin' Cinematic Experience They work great if you have a cable modem. I have been to the gemm site and even bought from one of the dealers listed. THE HIGHLANDER At 06:03 PM 2/12/00 -0500, you wrote: >From: Vic Rek > >Well, I just spent over 1 hour trying to navigate two music websites: > >http://gemm.com >and >http://www.harmonyhouse.com > >Both of these sites use so many gracphics and database searches that you >have to be very patient to get any feedback. And what's worst of all, I >think the data is bogus (incorrect). If you search gemm for TD you will >have to wait forever then you'll receive a TD list of hundreds of items >for sale or bid - please spare yourself the hassel - this website is >painful. From: KMu9978842@a... Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 8:18 am Subject: Re: jim & pablo In a message dated 13/02/00 04:46:49 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit, eloy-usa@a... writes: << Der Meteor i just received this in the mail today. i was warned in advance that there was very little music to this. if i understood German it might be alright. the thing that scares me is that inside the book they list 10 other Jim & Pablo stories. don't tell me that this series will become like the Franke Episodics. if so, i guess my obsession with collecting everything by TD will end because there is no way i will buy 10 more talking cds that i can't even understand. tom >> Don't panic Tom......... only the one episode you were fortunate to purchase has music by TD.......... and what a great story !!! Kelvin From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 8:29 am Subject: Re: jim & pablo thank you for that great news Kelvin. actually i got a great price on the disc from SMD and am glad i was able to add it too my collection. maybe someday i will hear the story. thanks. -- On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 03:18:15 KMu9978842 wrote: >From: KMu9978842@a... >> > >Don't panic Tom......... only the one episode you were fortunate to purchase >has music by TD.......... and what a great story !!! > >Kelvin Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Richard Ford Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 8:27 am Subject: Re: jim & pablo > Der Meteor > i just received this in the mail today. i was warned in advance that >there was very little music to this. if i understood German it might be >alright. the thing that scares me is that inside the book they list 10 other >Jim & Pablo stories. don't tell me that this series will become like the >Franke Episodics. if so, i guess my obsession with collecting everything by >TD will end because there is no way i will buy 10 more talking cds that i >can't even understand. tom > >> > >Don't panic Tom......... only the one episode you were fortunate to purchase >has music by TD.......... and what a great story !!! Does anyone have an English translation for this story? -- Richard Ford From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 7:08 pm Subject: OT: My new track, Computerbell Hi folks Just wanted to let anyone interested that I just finished my fourth track, called Computerbell. It has the theme from Bells played twice, and it has two different halfs, with a 'metamorphosis' in the middle. It also has an interesting thing in the second half. Anyone who would like to get the track, it's XM format (winamp plays it), 800 kb zipped, and 4:06 long. And it's way better than my first three tracks, trust me. Gustavo F. Jobim uses Eudora Light gustavfj@m... gustavofj@h... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20904 Re: OT: My new track, Computerbell Bennett Cookson Tue 2/15/2000 1 KB 20910 Re: OT: My new track, Computerbell Gustavo Jobim Wed 2/16/2000 1 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 8:58 pm Subject: Re : tadream.org/net Hi all, I posted a message a few days ago suggesting a circular design on the homepage of the new TD site. I have just downloaded a working example of what I'm thinking of as the new format for the Dream Gallery, see the following: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html Hope you like it! Comments will be gratefully received. Paul From: 'Eric Rochon' Date: Sun Feb 13, 2000 9:44 pm Subject: Re: tadream.org/net Very nice page!! Keep up the good work!! Eric From: Grant M Somerville Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 12:39 am Subject: Re: Re : tadream.org/net Paul Fellows wrote: > From: 'Paul Fellows' > > Hi all, > > I posted a message a few days ago suggesting a circular design on the > homepage of the new TD site. > > I have just downloaded a working example of what I'm thinking of as the new > format for the Dream Gallery, see the following: > > http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html > > Hope you like it! Comments will be gratefully received. > > Paul > Hi Paul and All, Looks very effective to me!! Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Patrik .' Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 2:49 pm Subject: GWOC Hi all, It´s a not Great Wall of China we should talk about this week. However I just got my copy yesterday and I listened to it about three times in a row. I think it´s very interesting. Of course you have that (Korg?) sound which Edgar used on all the tangentized material, and you have heard it just too many times imo. But the overall impression was positive! Regards Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 12:47 pm Subject: Peter Baumann - 'This Day' Does anybody know exactly what is said through the vocoder on Peter Baumann's 'This Day' (from 'Trans-Harmonic Nights'). It sounds like 'This day, we'll fade away', but I can't figure out the other lines. Simon. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20888 Re: Peter Baumann - 'This Day' Marcel Engels Mon 2/14/2000 1 KB 20898 Re: Peter Baumann - 'This Day' Hassinen Ami Tue 2/15/2000 1 KB From: glynnn@o... Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 1:51 pm Subject: KS in London? >Carl here are a few dates for upcoming EM festivals in the uk > >UTD & RMI @ Jodrell Bank mar 11th >Arcane & Paul Nagle @ Jodrell bank Apr 22nd >Kubusschnitt & Airsculpture @ Jodrell bank May 13th >Asana / Cerulean @ Jodrell bank June 3rd >Klause Schulze with Manual Gotsching @ the Royal Festival hall London Apr ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >2nd ^^^^ Ooh-er, is this correct? The Man Himself, back 4 years after the stupendous _Are You Sequenced?_ concert! But there's no mention of it on Klaus's site. Anybody else from this list planning to be there? I'll be there with my tape recorder... Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20883 Re: KS in London? craig.cordrey@g... Mon 2/14/2000 2 KB 20884 Re: KS in London? Joel Mullen Mon 2/14/2000 2 KB 20889 Re: KS in London? David Foster Mon 2/14/2000 2 KB From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 1:57 pm Subject: Re: KS in London? >>Klause Schulze with Manual Gotsching @ the Royal Festival hall London Apr > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>2nd >^^^^ > >Ooh-er, is this correct? The Man Himself, back 4 years after the stupendous _Are You Sequenced?_ concert! But there's no mention of it on Klaus's site. Anybody else from this list planning to be there? I'll be there with my tape recorder... Actually being billed as an Ashra / Ash Ra Tempel show. At least one Beyond_EM list member has ordered tickets and is awaiting them. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joel Mullen Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 2:19 pm Subject: RE: KS in London? On Monday, February 14, 2000 7:58 AM, craig.cordrey@g... [SMTP:craig.cordrey@g...] wrote: > From: craig.cordrey@g... > > > > >>Klause Schulze with Manual Gotsching @ the Royal Festival hall London Apr > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >>2nd > >^^^^ > > > >Ooh-er, is this correct? The Man Himself, back 4 years after the stupendous > _Are You Sequenced?_ concert! But there's no mention of it on Klaus's site. > Anybody else from this list planning to be there? I'll be there with my tape > recorder... > > Actually being billed as an Ashra / Ash Ra Tempel show. At least one Beyond_EM > list member has ordered tickets and is awaiting them. > True, no mention on KS's site, and also true it is being billed as an Ashra show. Check out the official Ashra site (run by the same person who does the KS site) at--- http://www.ashra.com/ There you will find the *official* announcment. Later! Joel From: Olle.Rundgren@s... Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 5:05 pm Subject: Soundmill... Sean Montgomery wrote: >I predict more remixes of TDI era stuff only. (another remix of Towards >the Evening Star, perhaps?) ....or Touchwood, heaven forbid. Have a backlog on tadream digests now and just read about Soundmill navigator. I am certain this has been discussed before on the list but still would be happy if somebody could tell me where this was recorded (Philharmonics?), under what concert name, and if this is going to be an official release or semi-official, limited number of copies release, official release for those who pay well enough, unofficial or - whatever release? Tack på förhand Olle np: Didier Bocquet: Voyage Cerebral Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20886 Re: Soundmill... TDI - Martin K. Mon 2/14/2000 2 KB 20887 Re: Soundmill... Sean Montgomery Mon 2/14/2000 1 KB 20894 Re: Soundmill... Heiko Heerssen Tue 2/15/2000 1 KB 20895 Re: Soundmill... TDI - Martin K. Tue 2/15/2000 2 KB 20896 Re: Soundmill... Heiko Heerssen Tue 2/15/2000 1 KB 20900 Re: Soundmill... Olle.Rundgren@s... Tue 2/15/2000 1 KB 20902 Re: Soundmill... Jeffrey Au Yeung Tue 2/15/2000 1 KB 20905 Re: Soundmill... Jared White Tue 2/15/2000 1 KB 20907 Re: Soundmill... joe shoults Tue 2/15/2000 1 KB From: 'TDI - Martin K.' Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 5:17 pm Subject: Re: Soundmill... At 18:05 14.02.00 +0100, you wrote: >From: Olle.Rundgren@s... > >Sean Montgomery wrote: > >>I predict more remixes of TDI era stuff only. (another remix of Towards >>the Evening Star, perhaps?) > > ....or Touchwood, heaven forbid. > >Have a backlog on tadream digests now and just read about Soundmill >navigator. I am certain this has been discussed before on the list but still >would be happy if somebody could tell me where this was recorded >(Philharmonics?), under what concert name, and if this is going to be an >official release or semi-official, limited number of copies release, >official release for those who pay well enough, unofficial or - whatever >release? > >Tack på förhand >Olle Hello, Soundmill Navigator is an official release, normal price. It is a recording of a concert performed 1976 at the Philharmonie Berlin. The recordings have been remastered but not remixed ('tangentized' as you would call it in list jargon ;-)) Its release date is March 30th, 2000. hope this helps... All the best, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 5:24 pm Subject: Re: Soundmill... > Soundmill Navigator is an official release, normal price. > It is a recording of a concert performed 1976 at the Philharmonie Berlin. > The recordings have been remastered but not remixed Woo hoo! Official confirmation! So Martin...will this be the direction for future concert releases as well? (crosses fingers) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 5:55 pm Subject: RE: Peter Baumann - 'This Day' > From: 'Simon Slator' > > Does anybody know exactly what is said through the vocoder on > Peter Baumann's 'This Day' (from 'Trans-Harmonic Nights'). It > sounds like 'This day, we'll fade away', but I can't figure out > the other lines. I always thought it sounded like: this day will fade away... I don't think he says anything in the other lines...more like nah nah nah nah nah...:-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'David Foster' Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 7:56 pm Subject: Re: KS in London? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 1:51 PM Subject: [tadream] KS in London? > From: glynnn@o... > > >Carl here are a few dates for upcoming EM festivals in the uk > > > >UTD & RMI @ Jodrell Bank mar 11th > >Arcane & Paul Nagle @ Jodrell bank Apr 22nd > >Kubusschnitt & Airsculpture @ Jodrell bank May 13th > >Asana / Cerulean @ Jodrell bank June 3rd > >Klause Schulze with Manual Gotsching @ the Royal Festival hall London Apr > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >2nd > ^^^^ > > Ooh-er, is this correct? The Man Himself, back 4 years after the stupendous _Are You Sequenced?_ concert! But there's no mention of it on Klaus's site. Anybody else from this list planning to be there? I'll be there with my tape recorder... > > Glynn > To Glynn I made enquiries today of the Royal Festival Box Office Tel.0171 960 4242. It is an Ash Ra Temple gig. The main act is Julian Cope. Tickest are £20 and £17.50 I probably won't be going but would love to have a copy of a recording if anyone is doing one. David Fozdg@d... From: 'Todd Tornow' Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 8:44 pm Subject: Happy Valentines Day! Greetings: I hope that everyone has a fantastic Valentines Day for you and your loved ones. Todd Tornow ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: horrod6@n... Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 9:24 pm Subject: ListMembers' professions I guess a substantial proportion of us work in IT, judging by some of the chat going around. I do myself these days. But I'm coming out of the closet as an ex-librarian. If anyone wants to donate material they have no space for, I promise it will be properly catalogued and logically positioned in my filing system! Marion Edinburgh UK Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20892 Re: ListMembers' professions Vic Rek Mon 2/14/2000 1 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 10:18 pm Subject: Re: ListMembers' professions Marion, Do you mean books or Tangerine Dream CDs? ;-) I also recall there being another librarian on the list? Vic > From: horrod6@n... > > I guess a substantial proportion of us work in IT, judging by some of the chat > going around. I do myself these days. But I'm coming out of the closet as an > ex-librarian. If anyone wants to donate material they have no space for, > I promise it will be properly catalogued and logically positioned in my filing > system! > > Marion > Edinburgh UK From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Feb 15, 2000 3:27 am Subject: OT: My music homepage Finally, I made a (simple) homepage just for my music. You can visit it at http://www.geocities.com/gustavfj All my discography is there - four tracks: Cacophony, The Tune, Deafening Minute and Computerbell :-) Later I'll include a links section. Regards, Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... http://www.geocities.com/gustavfj From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Feb 15, 2000 7:17 am Subject: Re: Soundmill... TDI - Martin K. wrote: > The recordings have been remastered but not remixed ('tangentized' as you > would call it in list jargon ;-)) > Its release date is March 30th, 2000. Great news!!!! I am curious to know just how long 'Soundmill Navigator' will be. The song that was broadcasted on radio had a length of 30 minutes...which makes we wonder if we will get music no-one has ever heard before (even we TD diehards ;-) Heiko n.p.: The Nightcrawlers: Hors d'oeuvres From: 'TDI - Martin K.' Date: Tue Feb 15, 2000 10:08 am Subject: Re: Soundmill... At 08:17 15.02.00 +0100, you wrote: >From: Heiko Heerssen > > > >TDI - Martin K. wrote: > >> The recordings have been remastered but not remixed ('tangentized' as you >> would call it in list jargon ;-)) >> Its release date is March 30th, 2000. > >Great news!!!! >I am curious to know just how long 'Soundmill Navigator' will be. The song that was >broadcasted on radio had a length of 30 minutes...which makes we wonder if we will get >music no-one has ever heard before (even we TD diehards ;-) > >Heiko > >n.p.: The Nightcrawlers: Hors d'oeuvres > Hi folks, it will be a little over 41 Min. long. So there might be some stuff there that you don´t know. 'Tang- Go' will be released to the public at the same time as 'Soundmill Navigator'. Releases to follow: - June 2nd (streetdate): Antique Dreams (rare vinyls plus yet unreleased material from ´70 - ´80) - end of August: Seven Letters from Tibet - late September: Dream Mixes III I´ll post more details once they are known. All the best, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Feb 15, 2000 10:41 am Subject: Re: Soundmill... TDI - Martin K. wrote: > Hi folks, > > it will be a little over 41 Min. long. > So there might be some stuff there that you don´t know. It gets better and better :-) > Releases to follow: > > - June 2nd (streetdate): Antique Dreams (rare vinyls plus yet unreleased > material from ´70 - ´80) Yikes! > - end of August: Seven Letters from Tibet > - late September: Dream Mixes III 'Seven letters from Tibet'? Anyway, this again sounds very exciting (maybe a continuation of the 'Tibetian circle' from the Quinoa extended cd?) 'Dream mixes III'....I was _very_ impressed with Timesquare and if this comes only as half as good then I'm still pleased with it. This all sounds very exciting, doesn't it? > I´ll post more details once they are known. Thanks, Martin! Heiko From: 'Thomas' Date: Tue Feb 15, 2000 10:34 am Subject: SV: Soundmill... Hi, this sounds so great :o) I don't know what the reasons are for not remixing Soundmill Navigator, but I am very grateful for it! Antique Dreams also seems like a very interesting project. I have tried to the best of my ability to collect vinyl from the seventies and eighties, but there's no way to get it all. However, as a few of you know, I really like the sound of vinyl, but there's this little problem with record wear... Anyway, thanks Martin for providing information like this. It's much appreciated :o) And, of course, thank you Heiko for providing the questions... Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden > From: Heiko Heerssen > > > > TDI - Martin K. wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > it will be a little over 41 Min. long. > > So there might be some stuff there that you don´t know. > > It gets better and better :-) > > > Releases to follow: > > > > - June 2nd (streetdate): Antique Dreams (rare vinyls plus yet unreleased > > material from ´70 - ´80) > > Yikes! > > > - end of August: Seven Letters from Tibet > > - late September: Dream Mixes III > > 'Seven letters from Tibet'? Anyway, this again sounds very exciting (maybe a continuation > of the 'Tibetian circle' from the Quinoa extended cd?) > 'Dream mixes III'....I was _very_ impressed with Timesquare and if this comes only as half > as good then I'm still pleased with it. > > This all sounds very exciting, doesn't it? > > > I´ll post more details once they are known. > > Thanks, Martin! > > > Heiko > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > FREE ADVICE FROM REAL PEOPLE! 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It > sounds like 'This day, we'll fade away', but I can't figure out > the other lines. >I always thought it sounded like: this day will fade away... >I don't think he says anything in the other lines...more like >nah nah nah nah nah...:-) >Marcel I have always thought that it was: 'This day - will fade away' 'like any other day - will fade away' and have you noticed that the melody for the 'like any other day' bit is very similar to the theme for 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind' ??? terve, Ami From: 'tom george' Date: Tue Feb 15, 2000 1:55 pm Subject: Re: SV: Soundmill... hi thomas, i just don't understand this record wear you speak of. i have original TD albums from the 70's that sound just as crisp and clear as they did when bought. the only way in my opinion that a record would wear would be if you have too heavy of a weight on your stylis or if you play the album on repeat over and over again. how else can you have wear? i have a collection of way over 2000 lps and there is no wear on any of them except perhaps on the few i have bought second hand that were not played on the best of equipment to begin with. tom -- On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:34:52 Thomas wrote: >From: 'Thomas' get it all. However, as a few of you know, I really like the sound of vinyl, but there's this little problem with record wear... Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Olle.Rundgren@s... Date: Tue Feb 15, 2000 2:54 pm Subject: RE:Soundmill... >Hello, >Soundmill Navigator is an official release, normal price. >It is a recording of a concert performed 1976 at the Philharmonie Berlin. >The recordings have been remastered but not remixed ('tangentized' as you >would call it in list jargon ;-)) >Its release date is March 30th, 2000. >hope this helps... >All the best, >Martin K. >TDI- Music- Support. Indeed it does. Thank You. Regarding the other new release Tango, there is one compilation I'd certainly like to see released in the future. Namely the one with all the previously unreleased tracks from the various compilation albums throughout the years. Tango, Dream Roots, Tangents and the lot. But maybe that would be counterproductive or? Bye now, Olle From: 'Todd Tornow' Date: Tue Feb 15, 2000 3:08 pm Subject: Valentine Greeting, Follow Up This is a little note to clarify yesterday's Valentine greeting was from the ENTIRE FAMILY, not just myself. We hope you had a good one. Also, you can talk to my wife as well. She has a new e-mail address: jjtornow@h... Please have a good day. Todd, Julie, Steven, and Eric ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Tue Feb 15, 2000 4:15 pm Subject: Re: Soundmill... Hi Martin, I have a complaint though - this is too short!!! 8-) Jeffrey From: 'TDI - Martin K.' Hi folks, it will be a little over 41 Min. long. So there might be some stuff there that you don´t know. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Tue Feb 15, 2000 5:00 pm Subject: Re: Martin says remastered not tangentized Hey Martin, Your the man! Thanks for sharing. ******************************************** Hello, Soundmill Navigator is an official release, normal price. It is a recording of a concert performed 1976 at the Philharmonie Berlin. The recordings have been remastered but not remixed ('tangentized' as you would call it in list jargon ;-)) Its release date is March 30th, 2000. hope this helps... All the best, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Bennett Cookson Date: Tue Feb 15, 2000 5:08 pm Subject: RE: OT: My new track, Computerbell Sounds interesting. Where does one find this track? Is there a web page somewhere. --Bennett -----Original Message----- From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavfj@m...] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 12:09 PM To: tadream@o... Subject: [tadream] OT: My new track, Computerbell Anyone who would like to get the track, it's XM format (winamp plays it), 800 kb zipped, and 4:06 long. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Jared White Date: Tue Feb 15, 2000 5:29 pm Subject: Re: Soundmill... > From: 'TDI - Martin K.' > - end of August: Seven Letters from Tibet ARGH! This is too good! Dream Mixes III and the Tibetan Cycle (I'm assuming) all in one year! WOWEE!!! I've heard some bad press about Lhasa on Quinoa 'Extended' in the past, so I'd just like to say right here and now that I think Lhasa is STUNNINGLY GORGEOUS, and an incredible example of Edgar's fine classical composition style. I hope to hear some more laid-back, harmony-oriented work from Jerome on there as well, to compliment his Dream Mixes III style, but who knows. And any news of the Dante's Divine Comedy project mentioned in Keyboard Magazine? I think 2000's going to be a VERY good year for TD fans of *all* persuasions. :) Regards, Jared From: horrod6@n... Date: Tue Feb 15, 2000 7:11 pm Subject: Problems accessing copfer.com Is anyone else having problems acessing the copfer.com address? I keep gettting a 'server not responding' message. Luckily Joe shoults published the IP address in digest 386, else I'd be lost! And Vic: of course i meant EM CDs, but I'm quite happy to rehome books too, especially old science fiction and fantasy. After all, I've only got about three thousand of the things! Steven Feldman and Peter Ravn owned up to being librarians in digest 388, and Steven also mentioned Scott Plumer. Is this enough to make it statistically significant? Regards Marion np: Bach 'Art of fugue' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20908 Re: Problems accessing copfer.com joe shoults Tue 2/15/2000 2 KB From: 'joe shoults' Date: Tue Feb 15, 2000 7:39 pm Subject: RE: Soundmill... Martin- did you mean the whole album was only 41 minutes long, or only one track was? -joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Au Yeung [mailto:coldwatercanyon@h...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 11:16 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill... > > > From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' > > Hi Martin, I have a complaint though - this is too short!!! 8-) > > Jeffrey > From: 'TDI - Martin K.' > > Hi folks, > > it will be a little over 41 Min. long. > So there might be some stuff there that you don´t know. > From: 'joe shoults' Date: Tue Feb 15, 2000 7:59 pm Subject: RE: Problems accessing copfer.com yeah, my bad, folks. I'm in the process of switching to the www.tadream.net domain for the site, and when it got passed from one admin here to another, the old address was disabled (tadream.copfer.com), and the new one is not up yet. I had moved the whole thing to another interim site (http://216.28.117.237/tadream/) in anticipation of the move, but I am yanking that ISP today, too, for poor service (long story). to make a long story short, use http://216.28.117.237/tadream/ for now, but don't be surprised if it goes away suddenly for a short time until www.tadream.net comes up. sorry for the inconvenience, but it will be straight soon. joe > -----Original Message----- > From: horrod6@n... [mailto:horrod6@n...] ... > Is anyone else having problems acessing the copfer.com address? I > keep gettting > a 'server not responding' message. Luckily Joe shoults published > the IP address > in digest 386, else I'd be lost! > From: 'Thomas' Date: Tue Feb 15, 2000 8:15 pm Subject: SV: SV: Soundmill... Hey Tom! If you have a vinyl with extremely loud sounds in it, like the 12'single of 'Das Mädchen auf der Treppe' - track number two, I believe it's called 'Flock'. These loud sounds are heavily affected by record wear. I always purchase cartridges with low tracking force (now 1.25 grams), and this time it took me six hours to adjust the stylus perfectly. You know, tracking angle, Vertical tracking angle.... even the slightest adjustment makes a hell of a difference. Of course you're right when you say record wear is overstated, and I have only a couple of records that are worn out, and my collection doesn't comprise of more than maybe 1600 LPs. But those ones were played VERY frequently :o) That still doesn't take away the fact that playing a vinyl is a mechanical process, and played enough times will wear them out, there's no way to get around it. Fortunately there's this thing called CD recorders... good stuff :o) Thomas > From: 'tom george' > > hi thomas, > i just don't understand this record wear you speak of. i have original TD albums from the 70's that sound just as crisp and clear as they did when bought. > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:34:52 Thomas wrote: > >From: 'Thomas' > get it all. However, as a few of you know, I really like the sound of vinyl, but there's this little problem with record wear... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Feb 16, 2000 12:52 am Subject: RE: OT: My new track, Computerbell >From: Bennett Cookson > >Sounds interesting. Where does one find this track? Is there a web page >somewhere. > >--Bennett As I announced earlier, the page has been online since yesterday: http://www.geocities.com/gustavfj . Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... http://www.geocities.com/gustavfj From: Steven Feldman Date: Wed Feb 16, 2000 6:02 am Subject: Stroking TD Fans' Egos Hi, This review from http://users.exis.net/~westend/review1.html might tickle some of your fancies: | Tangerine Dream The Dream Mixes (TDI/Miramar) -- Techno, ambient, and | trance have exemplified the pop-capacity of electronic music for a | handful of years now, yet truly lasting compositions have not exactly | been abundant in the movement. Now, in the mid 1990s, one of the groups | that brought synthesizers to the forefront of music (and who has been | copied, sampled, covered, etc.) takes the influences of dance head-on. | The result is frankly amazing. It is as if seasoned, visionary | musicians picked up some of the same tools ambient groups have only | been fooling around and showed everybody, 'Well, this is how it can be | done.' The Dream Mixes single handily show what can be done with loops, | beats, breaks, stabbing synth lines, and effects when in the hands of | geniuses. The two-disc version is on TDI from Germany, the single disc | version is from Miramar in America. Now, didn't that give you a warm, fuzzy feeling? ;) -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20915 Re: Stroking TD Fans' Egos Jared White Wed 2/16/2000 2 KB 20917 Re: Stroking TD Fans' Egos Sean Montgomery Wed 2/16/2000 1 KB 20922 Re: Stroking TD Fans' Egos Joe Shoults Thu 2/17/2000 1 KB From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> Date: Wed Feb 16, 2000 2:16 pm Subject: My Dream About Tangerine Dream Hi all, I do not know if we ever had a thread on this topic, but last night I did have a dream that is TD-related, so I'm going to share with you all...in case anybody has a Freudian interpretation I will be grateful...8-) As I am recently planning a trip to Toronto, this one was also about this forthcoming trip, but funny enough the destination in the dream was vague...it's not Toronto anymore, but somewhere in Europe, and the trip would coincide a short TD tour (something like 5 or 6 day tour) in Europe. The opening gig would be somewhere in Norway, and I could go to this one and another European country...then the scenes changed and I was already at the concert venue of the Norwegian concert. I went with another European fan. The stage was strange - it's not a proper concert venue, but like a sports complex modified...there were a lot of lockers (!) on stage too (!) together with a lot of synthesizers. I casted a look at the stage, could not remember if the band were there, and I asked my friend if he had a portable machine to bootleg the concert (!!!) 8-) Then I suddenly remembered that I need to get some concert posters, and I found one at once. It's not too far from me & stuck loosely onto the wall, mainly blue in colour with a lot of Norwegian writing. I could not remember the picture of the poster. It was some abstract matter in the 70s vein, but I could clearly recall the wording 'Tangerine Dream' at the bottom.... Then my alarm clock rang - I opened my eyes at once, and my last impression: SHIT, the gig had not even begun!!!! Jeffrey P.S. The above description was 100% of my dream last night. Nothing made up. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20920 Re: My Dream About Tangerine Dream Grant M Somerville Thu 2/17/2000 3 KB From: Nigbur D Date: Wed Feb 16, 2000 4:37 pm Subject: D:Studio [Hyperborea] OK, so here's my small contribution to this discussion... The reason why I haven't got much to say about this album is that, for some reason, I've never quite warmed to anything except the title track. 'No Man's Land' is certainly interesting from a sequencing point of view, but I've always found that it begins to sound a bit thin after a while. The bass frequency is more or less unused on this, and the metallic sounds make the track sound a bit jumbled to my ears. It has grown on me over time, but I still don't really understand the value of this piece. Now, Hyperborea is an entirely different story. This is one of the tracks I never get tired of, and yet I think it is _so_ under-rated. Everything that fascinates me about TD's music is present here: the eerie, slightly dark fuzziness of the introductory chords, an almost minimalist melody stunning in its purity and beauty, and elaborated with ever so slight, well-placed alterations throughout the composition, aided by amazing but subtly placed effects, and a perfect mixture of bass and treble ranges. The transition from the main theme to the outro is just beautiful, and the synth lead that takes over when one just begins to think that the track is about to end still brings me close to tears to this day. Cinnamon Road is something I'm very indifferent about. It is without a doubt a well-composed catchy track, but one that doesn't seem to stick in my mind after listening to it. The situation is very similar with Sphinx Lightning. I like the introduction and the sequence as well as the melodic bits that are introduced throughout the track, but for some reason this composition leaves my mind at the same time that it leaves the CD player. For me, it has never expressed the same flair that things on Logos or Poland, the preceding and succeeding albums, have. I would really appreciate if some kind reviewer out there could help me see the things to look out for with this record. Listening to it, I can tell that it is a good album, but nothing on it - except the title track - seems to move me. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20918 Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea] John Marchington Wed 2/16/2000 5 KB 20919 Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea] Marcel Engels Thu 2/17/2000 1 KB 20921 D:Studio [Hyperborea] Quarlie@a... Thu 2/17/2000 6 KB 20923 Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea] Heiko Heerssen Thu 2/17/2000 2 KB 20926 Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea] Antonio Nunes Thu 2/17/2000 1 KB 20930 Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea] Marcel Engels Thu 2/17/2000 2 KB 20932 Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea] Quarlie@a... Fri 2/18/2000 1 KB 20935 Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea] Heiko Heerssen Fri 2/18/2000 1 KB 20936 D:Studio [Hyperborea] Armin Theissen Fri 2/18/2000 3 KB From: Bennett Cookson Date: Wed Feb 16, 2000 5:36 pm Subject: OT: x.com Shameless plug for online bank called x.com (http://www.x.com) I think sending checks in snail mail to pay for blank CDs, etc is a real pain. X.com is one of many new services which can transfer money online. They use e-mail address as user names so once people open an account then you can simply instruct x.com to send $4 to Bennett.Cookson@n... Plus, the bank makes the transfer and no personal information is sent such as on a personal check. (equalvant of sending money order) Opening an account is free and for one more day they give you $20 to start off your account. 'Our $20 sign-up promotion will be discontinued as of Thursday, February 17th, at 12:00am PST.' Currently, USA address only Check it out Sign up at https://preview.x.com/new_account.asp If you do happen to sign up, you can list me as 'X.com username (email) of the member who referred you:' Bennett.Cookson@n... Bennett.Cookson@n... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Jared White Date: Wed Feb 16, 2000 6:27 pm Subject: RE: Stroking TD Fans' Egos > From: Steven Feldman > > Hi, > This review from > http://users.exis.net/~westend/review1.html might > tickle some of your fancies: Wow, that's an awesome review. There's only problem. There are also something like 37 other awesome reviews on that page. :) In other words, a compliment to your cooking isn't quite so wonderful when you realize the guy likes dog poop just as well. Not that I'm saying the other albums he reviewed are dog poop (I don't think I've heard most of them myself), but I remain skeptical of his tastes. And, being a Celtic musician, I have sampled some of the 'Celtic' music on Chris Franke's 'A Celestial Prophecy'. Uh, pretty bad I'm afraid. So there you go. I'd send people that review of Dream Mixes, but leave out the URL. ;) Take care! Jared From: Bennett Cookson Date: Wed Feb 16, 2000 6:57 pm Subject: RE: Stroking TD Fans' Egos -- Celestial Prophecy OK, its not exactly like TD and you may not listen to it over and over but when you judge it for what it is I actually really enjoy Chris Franke's 'A Celestial Prophecy'. You may be right about overly positive reviews, but still like it. --Bennett np: Valentine wheels [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Feb 16, 2000 7:09 pm Subject: Re: Stroking TD Fans' Egos > | The result is frankly amazing. It is as if seasoned, visionary > | musicians picked up some of the same tools ambient groups have only > | been fooling around and showed everybody, 'Well, this is how it can be > | done.' Well, that's nice...but whoever wrote it is probably the same person that the movie studios call for gushing prose to put on their posters. Dream Mixes is a good album of course, but not *that* good. :-) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Feb 16, 2000 9:37 pm Subject: Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea] I tend to agree with you about the album. Like you, I feel that 'Hyperborea' is the best track on the disc. The 'second subject', and the transition to it, are particularly fine, both instrumentally and rhythmically and I feel the disc is worth having for that. The opening theme is, as you say, almost minimalist although not in a Philip Glass way, and the predominance of the minor key brings a grave beauty to it. I don't always agree with the 'fade-out' endings that the band seems keen on, but it works well with 'Hyperborea'. I perhaps warm to 'Sphinx Lightning' more that you do. There are some nice spatial effects in it, so perhaps my appreciation has more to do with the mixing and recording than the composition. I also have mixed feelings about both 'No Man's Land' and 'Cinnamon Road'. I find the choice of instruments attractive, but little else to enthuse about. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nigbur D To: Sent: Thursday, 17 February 2000 05:37 Subject: [tadream] D:Studio [Hyperborea] > From: Nigbur D > > OK, so here's my small contribution to this discussion... > > The reason why I haven't got much to say about this album is that, for some > reason, I've never quite warmed to anything except the title track. 'No > Man's Land' is certainly interesting from a sequencing point of view, but > I've always found that it begins to sound a bit thin after a while. The bass > frequency is more or less unused on this, and the metallic sounds make the > track sound a bit jumbled to my ears. It has grown on me over time, but I > still don't really understand the value of this piece. > > Now, Hyperborea is an entirely different story. This is one of the tracks I > never get tired of, and yet I think it is _so_ under-rated. Everything that > fascinates me about TD's music is present here: the eerie, slightly dark > fuzziness of the introductory chords, an almost minimalist melody stunning > in its purity and beauty, and elaborated with ever so slight, well-placed > alterations throughout the composition, aided by amazing but subtly placed > effects, and a perfect mixture of bass and treble ranges. The transition > from the main theme to the outro is just beautiful, and the synth lead that > takes over when one just begins to think that the track is about to end > still brings me close to tears to this day. > > Cinnamon Road is something I'm very indifferent about. It is without a doubt > a well-composed catchy track, but one that doesn't seem to stick in my mind > after listening to it. The situation is very similar with Sphinx Lightning. > I like the introduction and the sequence as well as the melodic bits that > are introduced throughout the track, but for some reason this composition > leaves my mind at the same time that it leaves the CD player. For me, it has > never expressed the same flair that things on Logos or Poland, the preceding > and succeeding albums, have. > > I would really appreciate if some kind reviewer out there could help me see > the things to look out for with this record. Listening to it, I can tell > that it is a good album, but nothing on it - except the title track - seems > to move me. > > Dennis > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://tadream.copfer.com > > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our homepage (link above). > > From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Feb 17, 2000 12:04 am Subject: RE: D:Studio [Hyperborea] No question about it: Hyperborea is, for me, the best track on the disc. There are some nice tricks in the first track...I find the use of the sequencers which is almost a melody on its own quite strange. The third track doesn't do much for me, most of the time I skip it. The last track is okay, but it takes too long for anything to happen imo...although it's nice to hear fast drums/sequencers with a relaxed melody on top. It's not a CD I play very often and it also sounds a bit thin to me (with exception of track 2). I guess they had a bit too much PPG at that time...:-) Marcel From: Grant M Somerville Date: Thu Feb 17, 2000 12:10 am Subject: Re: My Dream About Tangerine Dream Jeffrey Au Yeung wrote: > From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> > > Hi all, > > I do not know if we ever had a thread on this topic, but last night I did have a dream that is TD-related, so I'm going to share with you all...in case anybody has a Freudian interpretation I will be grateful...8-) > > As I am recently planning a trip to Toronto, this one was also about this forthcoming trip, but funny enough the destination in the dream was vague...it's not Toronto anymore, but somewhere in Europe, and the trip would coincide a short TD tour (something like 5 or 6 day tour) in Europe. The opening gig would be somewhere in Norway, and I could go to this one and another European country...then the scenes changed and I was already at the concert venue of the Norwegian concert. I went with another European fan. The stage was strange - it's not a proper concert venue, but like a sports complex modified...there were a lot of lockers (!) on stage too (!) together with a lot of synthesizers. I casted a look at the stage, could not remember if the band were there, and I asked my friend if he had a portable machine to bootleg the concert (!!!) 8-) Then I suddenly remembered that I need to get some concert posters, and I found one at once. It's not too far from me & stuck loosely onto the > wall, mainly blue in colour with a lot of Norwegian writing. I could not remember the picture of the poster. It was some abstract matter in the 70s vein, but I could clearly recall the wording 'Tangerine Dream' at the bottom.... > > Then my alarm clock rang - I opened my eyes at once, and my last impression: SHIT, the gig had not even begun!!!! > > Jeffrey > > P.S. The above description was 100% of my dream last night. Nothing made up. > I'll have a pint of whatever he's drinking!! ;-) Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Quarlie@a... Date: Thu Feb 17, 2000 3:21 am Subject: D:Studio [Hyperborea] As I was among those who never realized that last week was Hyperborea week, I never wrote up a review (so much for my idea of writing it in advance). So I'll do it this week instead. I don't have 'Poland' yet anyway... --- 1. No Man's Land A buzzing drone starts this track, with bagpipey sounds in the background. Bouncy percussive notes soon join in, moving from ear to ear, with a rolling sequence. New layers keep appearing: a single repeating synth note, high-pitched little three-tone accents, a great pitch-bending bassline, and a couple of uncharacteristically bright and happy keyboard themes. Once all these layers become established, the track doesn't change very much until about 7:15, when a great shimmering sequence (reminiscent of the fourth movement from 'Logos') fades in and a ringing, metallic bass pattern comes clanging in, repeating three segments of two notes each. Layers start to disappear one by one, and the bass clang has the last word. I didn't write too much about this one, because it doesn't change that much once it sets into its pattern, but I like it a lot. Very upbeat and catchy, and totally unique. And, interestingly, it has no drums that I can detect, at least not normal ones. --- 2. Hyperborea A choral chord and a slow beat (two kicks followed by two snares; delay, perhaps?) open the title track. The lead melody is deep and deliberate--a bit majestic in a melancholy way. There's a neat kind of metallic noise first appearing at 1:58. (Maybe it's the drum machine's idea of a crash cymbal.) The first major change occurs at 3:48, when the beat and the melody stop and give way to a nice long jet-whoosh kind of sound, followed by a new beat and a more wistful background melody. Over this appears a guitar-like lead, which plays a kind of optimistically hopeful tune. Some slowly pounding toms fade in afterward (kathunk... kathunk), with a few more background layers of synths and drums visiting for a while. They fade out and the beat returns to its simpler form as the piece ends. It's not bad, but I don't find it too exciting. The thumping toms are neat. --- 3. Cinnamon Road Well, that was quite a transition. 'Cinnamon Road' continues the previous two albums' tradition of including a short, upbeat track amid the more serious business. It's really catchy, with many things happening at once over a propulsive bass sequence. There's so much happening that it's difficult to keep track of all the layers. The track also recognizably features the world's wimpiest drum machine, the Roland TR-808. Fortunately, the 808 has a minor role here; the bassline is much more prominent than the drums. It's fun. The anthemic 'chorus' is probably my favorite part of it. --- 4. Sphinx Lightning It starts with a few chords on what sounds like a harpsichord. Another slow, determined beat shows up, and for the next few minutes we continue to hear a harpsichord chord (a 'harpsi-chord'?) every eight beats, with foreboding synth sounds in the background, and the occasional deep, clanging bell. I see a large, dark room of some sort. At about 2:50, the second movement arrives by way of a couple of sequences (one eerie, and one more propulsive--maybe a little 'Rubycon'-esque), as the beat becomes more tense and complex. It doesn't change too much after that; new sounds come and go but the sequence and the beat draw more of my attention. This movement feels kind of like ascending a long stairway (out of the large, dark room, I suppose). The sequence subtly exits, leaving the beat to close the second movement. A morphing bleeping noise heralds the third, which opens in vaguely psychedelic fashion, as we float among sustained synth chords for a bit. A synth-flute and an occasional harpsichordish keyboard noodling solidify. This is a rather pleasantly ambient segment, a nice break after the tension of the previous movement. I see myself emerging into a pleasant (and still vaguely psychedelic) garden. The light here is sort of pink, for some unknown reason. An unidentifiable pitch-bending 'ooaah' sound starts repeating at regular intervals as the fourth movement begins. A peaceful sequence starts up, as does a beat somewhat like the one in the second movement. Not too much else to say, really. Like the third, it's pleasant and atmospheric in a cheerful way. Perhaps this is where I start walking along through and eventually out of the psychedelic garden. Most of the sounds fade away, again leaving just the beat, as the fifth and final movement commences. Its most prominent feature is the big, dramatic chords. I use the word way too much, but it's undeniably Anthemic(tm). As the end approaches, the beat disappears first (that's novel, compared to the rest of the track), and the 'ooaah' reappears, eventually to be the last thing we hear. I'm not entirely sure what this last movement evokes. Perhaps this is the part of the journey where I suddenly happen upon a Tangerine Dream concert in progress. ;) For some reason, I previously had the impression that I didn't like this track very much. The beats do seem a bit generic for some reason, and the first movement doesn't do much, but the rest of the track is great. (That's one of the reasons I like writing these reviews--it gives me a chance to reevaluate everything.) My favorite movement would have to be the third, but the last four are all excellent. Oddly, though, at no point does this track evoke a sphinx and/or lightning. Not to me, anyway. --- I like this album more than I remembered, mainly due to my previous disinterest in the last track (which takes up half the album). I can't say I like it as much as 'Exit,' 'White Eagle' or 'Logos,' but that's because those three albums are so outstanding, not because of some problem with this one. --Daniel NP: Collective Soul--Dosage From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Feb 17, 2000 6:51 am Subject: RE: Stroking TD Fans' Egos that site also has a link to a good Haslinger interview: http://wwwp.exis.net/~westend/archint.html > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Feldman > Hi, > This review from http://users.exis.net/~westend/review1.html might > tickle some of your fancies: > ... From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Feb 17, 2000 8:50 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea] Nigbur D wrote: > I would really appreciate if some kind reviewer out there could help me see > the things to look out for with this record. Listening to it, I can tell > that it is a good album, but nothing on it - except the title track - seems > to move me. > > Dennis I have to agree with your admiration of the title track of 'Hyperborea'....this is undoubtely one of the greatest EM tracks ever made. This song is pure perfection from the first to the very last second. It still gives me goosebumps all over when I listen to that track. And I also have to agree with you that the rest of the album doesn't quite come close to this masterpiece (although that doesn't mean that I don't like Hyperborea...almost everything from the 'Schmoelling years' is fabulous and I'm beyond the point of judgement ;-) But 'Sphinx lightning' isn't as good and memorable like the stuff on 'Poland'.... & I never really got into 'No man's land'. 'Cinammon Road' is quite o.k, tho (but then again, it doesn't play in the same league as, lets's say 'Polish dance', 'Rare bird' or 'Warsaw in the sun') Although it's now almost over 16 years ago when I bought the record I can still remember the little bit of disappointment I felt when I first heard the record. And I also recognized the strong influence of Edgar on this album...soundwise it's not a million miles away from his 'Pinnacles' solo album which was recorded just 2-3 months before 'Hyperborea'. But since the Hyperborea title track can't be found on any 'Best of' compilation you still got to have this album.... Heiko From: 'Frank' Date: Thu Feb 17, 2000 12:41 pm Subject: Silver Scale Hi everyone, I've been listening to Valentine Wheels over and over again while I work at my shop and it's certainly grown on me. I was particularly impressed with Silver Scale. From 3:30- 5:35 it really takes off. Any of you who aren't real familiar with Silver Scale give it a shot, I believe you may find yourself a gem. Overall, I would rate this CD an 8, 10 being the highest rating possible. Dream's ............. Frank 'The Dreamer' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 36016 Silver Scale Morgan Feldon feldon23 Mon 9/9/2002 2 KB From: Glynn Naughton Date: Thu Feb 17, 2000 12:11 pm Subject: D: Studio [Hyperborea] Boys and girls, I remember buying _Hyperborea_ when it first came out. Got it from Woolworths; they had quite a sizeable display advertising the 'new Tangerine Dream album'. Those were the days when TD, at least in the UK, were almost a mainstream group, albeit over on the esoteric side of mainstream. It's not true to say they've always been a cult group with minority appeal. Anyway, I felt even back then that TD had peaked with _Logos_, so I wasn't expecting the new LP to be as overwhelming. I think I was pretty much accurate. Hated 'No Mans Land' at first; now I regard it as one of the best things they've (or rather Johannes, IMO) has ever done. 'Hyperborea' is quite rightly regarded as one of the most overwhelming things that *anybody* has ever done. 'Cinammon Road' is Johannes in cute mode. 'Sphinx Lighting' is OK (brilliant in the middle section) apart from the irritating opening. We once used this opening to great effect when I spent the summer of 1987 working in a very downmarket Spanish resort that I can't even bring myself to name now. We would work the night shift and get monstrously plastered, then have to be in early the next morning to open up. To scare aware potential customers who we were too ill to serve, we would play this, together with Klaus Schulze's 'Dune', at huge volume on the outside speakers. Passers-by would look in with fearful expressions, but few were daring enough to come into a place that played such weird music :-) A review I remember reading at the time said: 'With _Hyperborea_, Tangerine Dream, who were once at the vanguard of electronic music, drift more and more towards its periphery', and also claimed that this album sounds identical to the non-vocal portions of _Cyclone_. However, it also said that the middle section of 'Sphinx Lightning' is 'a gorgeous swirling synthscape of the type TD have promised many times before but never actually delivered.' Glynn From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Feb 17, 2000 3:10 pm Subject: Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea] Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > I never really got into 'No man's land'. Have you ever listened to the 'Sound sampling of No man's land' included in Electronic Orgy? Perhaps after you listen to this 'dissection' of 'No man's land' you will have a different perspective of this track. > But since the Hyperborea title track can't be found on any 'Best of' > compilation you still got to have this album.... There's a tangentized version of this track in Tangents (disc 3, track 7) but I agree with you, you still got to have this album. Personally, I like the whole album, it's my TD favorite together with Tangram, but maybe I'm biased because it was the second TD album I was exposed to. Antonio Nunes np: Hyperborea (I'm never tired of it) From: 'joe shoults' Date: Thu Feb 17, 2000 4:12 pm Subject: Mailing List notice: Scheduled Maintenance FYI: The ONElist site will be off-line from 9am until 3pm Pacific Standard Time on Saturday 19th February, 2000 for scheduled maintenance. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. Mail will not be delivered during this time. Any mail posted to the list during this time will be delivered after 3pm Pacific Standard Time on Saturday 19th February, 2000. Thank you in advance for your patience. ____________________________________ joe shoults _ ___\ tadream \\|_|o moderators /_\ \/ team / ____________________________________ From: Attila Gyory Date: Thu Feb 17, 2000 4:23 pm Subject: test-please ignore This test is for Joe Shoults. 1) I use MS Internet Explorer 4.0, and I use mail.yahoo.com for mailing. It's similar to e.g. MS Outlook. 2) This is the test mail. 3) You mean error messages AFTER sending THIS mail to Onelist? I don't know yet... Attila ----------------------------------------------------- I tried to submit the text above this line to tadream@o..., but it failed, I think. I got an error message from Yahoo. Now I try to send it to you. If the error message still exists, that means you don't get this mail. But if you get this mail, it means, that I cannot send mail only to Onelist, everywhere else works. So, in this case, it is ununderstandable, because the first time I sent a help message, I sent it to Onelist, without an error message, and you GOT IT! Now let's see. I push that SEND button... Attila >ok, the 'quick fix' obviously didn't work (unsub, >then resub). So thatI >can diagnose the problem, please answer/do the >following: >1) What e-mail program do you use? >2) Please send a message to the list now entitled >'test-please ignore'. I >want to see if it goees through. >3) Do you get any error messages back from >onelist.com's 'q-mail'program? >4) I'm subscribing you to a testing list that I have >to see if your >subscription works there. the name of the list is >joetestlist. once you >are 'in', please try to post a test message there. >5) call or e-mail your isp and ask them if they are >blocking messages from >onelist.com (seriously, this does happen!) >joe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Feb 17, 2000 6:21 pm Subject: RE: Haslinger Interview > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > that site also has a link to a good Haslinger interview: > http://wwwp.exis.net/~westend/archint.html That *is* a great interview...thanks for passing along the link! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20931 Re: Haslinger Interview joe shoults Thu 2/17/2000 1 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Feb 17, 2000 7:16 pm Subject: RE: D:Studio [Hyperborea] > From: Quarlie@a... > > 3. Cinnamon Road > > Well, that was quite a transition. 'Cinnamon Road' continues the > previous two > albums' tradition of including a short, upbeat track amid the > more serious > business. It's really catchy, with many things happening at once over a > propulsive bass sequence. There's so much happening that it's > difficult to > keep track of all the layers. The track also recognizably features the > world's wimpiest drum machine, the Roland TR-808. Fortunately, > the 808 has a > minor role here; the bassline is much more prominent than the drums. wimpiest drum machine??? :-) Maybe I don't know exactly what wimpie is but it doesn't sound too positive. Imo it's one of the better drum machines ever made... Too bad you don't have Poland because I think you would think twice about saying the 808 is wimpie... Again...it's a matter of taste. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'joe shoults' Date: Thu Feb 17, 2000 9:15 pm Subject: RE: RE: Haslinger Interview yeah- I like the reference to the '250' or so 'irrelevant' mailing list people. (LOL!) of course, this was from 1994... > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@t...] > > From: 'Joe Shoults' > > > > that site also has a link to a good Haslinger interview: > > http://wwwp.exis.net/~westend/archint.html > > > That *is* a great interview...thanks for passing along the link! From: Quarlie@a... Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 3:11 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea] In a message dated 2/17/00 2:15:44 PM, fsp@w... writes: >wimpiest drum machine??? :-) >Maybe I don't know exactly what wimpie is but it doesn't sound too positive. >Imo it's one of the better drum machines ever made... It just sounds weak, and not particularly drum-like, to me. Oh well, to each his own. >Too bad you don't have Poland because I think you would think twice about >saying the 808 is wimpie... I look forward to it. :) Maybe I'll get Poland next. >Again...it's a matter of taste. Indeed it is. --Daniel NP: Yes--Talk From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 3:59 am Subject: Larry Fast Synergy 'Cords' Hi folks...just came across a copy of the above today in a record store in Atlanta. It was on sale for $4.99, which I could not pass up even though I already own this one. I feel sure that someone would like to purchase this one at such a wonderful price, so the first one to send me $6 (cost +postage) gets it. Unless you are iternational, then we may have to rethink the postage bit. Later. Craig P.S. this is not a 'cutout' with destroyed art or whatever. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 5:01 am Subject: OT: GFJM Update: new track Hi folks, Sorry again for the offtopic, but I just released my latest track - finished yesterday. It's called The Band from Saturn Playing at The Isarsarez Srassmoxleahch Forest, or simply The Isarsarez Srassmoxleahch Forest. (Simply?) Kinda Tadream-esque, eh? Anyway, it's a interesting and strange and a bit crazy track, and I think you'll enjoy it. Maybe it's a bit repetitive, but now I can't change it anymore. I used a forest-sounds background, that's why I used this name. The name Isarsarez was created using a Random Name Generator program. Srassmoxleahch I just made up. The name originally was Isarsarez Srassmoxleahch Forest, but then I added the rest. Anyway, this is about the music. Go there and have a listen, at least it should be interesting. Read ya later, GFJ p.s. If you think I'm bothering with the frequent OT posts about my music, please, let me know and I'll send update info only to those who really want it. Maybe I even create an announcement-only mailing list or something. Ok, I'm already tripping. Long mail alert. Byebye! Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... http://www.geocities.com/gustavfj From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 8:00 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea] Antonio Nunes wrote: > Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > > I never really got into 'No man's land'. > > Have you ever listened to the 'Sound sampling of No man's land' included > in Electronic Orgy? Perhaps after you listen to this 'dissection' of 'No > man's land' you will have a different perspective of this track. Yes I have...but it didn't help ;-) But this doesn't mean that I don't _like_ No man's land....it's just that it doesn't stand the test of time like the 'Hyperborea' title track. Heiko From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 5:33 pm Subject: D:Studio [Hyperborea] hI, haven't posted an album discussion here for ages. I was travelling for quite a while and missed faves like Rubycon and Force Majeure. Hyperborea urges me to write again. No Man's Land In contrast to most of you, I fell in love with this track at the very beginning. It is freshly different from all the rest of TD. First of all: it SWINGS. Jazz people here may know what I mean. And I like a complete set of different sounds which feel eastern to me, without the cheesiness of others who really try to copy asian/tibetian stuff. The e-piano like solo sound is also unique in TD music. To what other people said here: there is a lot of bass in the track, very well and subtle used: the percussion, and that chime like sound which also ends the whole track. Luckily the bass is not in the sequencer, for we had this already so often... so, those who miss the bass should check their HiFi system. Or if you really miss it, why don't you play along? Hyperborea others here said it all. It is very beautiful Cinnamon Road another one of the pop song approach. Nice, but I can live without it. Sphinx Lighting a major disappointment. Great start though: the lonely PPG (?) 'twangggggg' can't be played loud enough, and with the gradual build up of the music during the first five minutes we expect something to come... but nothing comes, except somewhere in the middle or end a desperate attempt to give the thing some meat (this is just a phrase, I'm vegetarian...). I hardly manage to really *sit and listen* to this piece completly. I'm urged to stand up, walk around, make some coffee etc... and a general last remark about whimpsy drums: true, I see why those drums can be called whimpsy, but what's wrong with it? They are well used as what they are and add to the style. Hey, thanks God not every track sounds like the Miami Vice theme or whatever 80s drum molesting. Armin np: Stockhausen - Helicopter String Quartet Armin Theissen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath Armagh BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 028 3752 29 28 N. Ireland Fax: (+44) 028 3752 71 74 o/ \o_ \ / __ __o |o \__/o | o____ |__ __/ \__/o | / | / o\ / | > / \ /o\ o| << | \o__/ Ouch!!! From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 11:37 am Subject: Album Review : Metamorpheses - Jean Michel Jarre Metamorpheses - Jean Michel Jarre This 12-track CD clocks in at 60 minutes and is supposed to be a major departure for him. I haven't been keeping up with contemporary Jarre releases for a while - I did buy Oxygene 7-13 and have dipped into Chronologie a few years back, but am not a die-hard fan. As such, I can't really say how this relates to his more recent releases. Je me Souviens (04:24) ---------------------- The opener starts with a bass-line and choral effects before the beat appears to offer quite a stomping start. The female vocal is quite stark, mentioning objects in a pretty random way (to me) : The Voice, The Tree, The Goat, The Gate, The Flash, Je me Souviens (okay, the last bit's JMJ himself). I've heard better openers, but this is okay as an introduction to the album's style. C'est la Vie (07:10) -------------------- Moroccan / North African chanting seems to be flavour of the year : Sash, Sting and now JMJ are all getting into the act. I suppose this is the cliched meeting of east and west, with female chanting and middle-eastern-style instruments playing over a western beat and bassline. Cliches aside, though, this is a great track. My version of the CD had a sticker saying 'Includes the hit single C'est la Vie'. Well, I'd never heard of it before, so it hasn't been much of a hit. I guess that suggests the record company (and maybe JMJ) sees this as one of the stronger tracks and, in that respect, they are correct. Rendez-vous a Paris (04:18) --------------------------- Possibly the weakest track on the album, this suffers from a plodding rhythm, irritating French vocoder vocals, and too much violining courtesy of 'her' from The Corrs. I hope JMJ doesn't succumb to the temptation to release this track as a single to cash-in on the 'big-name' collaborator. For some reason, the first segment of this, before the violin kicks in, reminds me of the type of stuff that Enigma and Deep Forest produce. Hey Gagarin (06:21) ------------------- A long, slow and gradual build-up to the main 'funky' bit of this track where we have such great vocals as 'I can root, I can toot' (well, that's what it sounds like). This track suffers slightly in never quite deciding what pace it should be at. In this repect it is reminiscent of some of Tangerine Dream's latest offerings which seem to cram too many ideas into one track. Only average in the fullness of the album. Millions of Stars (05:40) ------------------------- This is the best track on the album. A slow, 'typically Jarre' piece, IMO, featuring simple, repeated chords, water-like effects and a beautiful, relaxed voice speaking combinations of letters and numbers (classifications of stars, perhaps) for the most part. There is a short 'chorus', talking about the millions of stars, and an orchestral feel toward the end which is, IMO, a little out of place. But, this is one hell of a beautiful track. Tout est Bleu (06:01) --------------------- What is it with the French just now? First it was Eiffel 65 telling us all about his 'Blue' world, and now even Jarre agrees that 'Everything is Blue'. This is the second best track which has a wickedly catchy / foot-tapping chorus (even though it's in French) accompanied by more rather strange spoken verses, this time about the weather. There's a killer bridge in the middle which is devine. Just as Millions of Stars is an excellent slower track, this is just as good for its style. Love Love Love (04:25) ---------------------- The opening minute of this sounds like mid-period Depeche Mode, by subsequently the vocoder vocals, rhythm and 'slant' of the vocals is reminiscent of Air's Moon Safari album. This has a more 'ethnic' beat and a more 'anglified' sound thanks to Laurie Anderson's spoken words. One of the better songs on the album, and not one that I would have spotted as a Jarre track. Bells (03:48) ------------- The Bells of the title form the main melody of the track, their tubular sound played above a bouncey rhythm and beat. There's another vocoder vocal here that alternately takes the lead with the bells. By the time this short track finishes, it is just starting to get repetitive - good judgement by Mssr. Jarre. Miss Moon (06:08) ----------------- A bit of a non-entity of a track, this one. The opening couple of minutes sort of meander their way to a short bridge before a continued ramble for another couple of minutes. No foot-tapping beat (although plenty of percussive effects) and no cathcy vocals to carry you along - only some wailing (I keep waiting for the nashing of teeth). This vies with Rendezvous as the weakest track, and probably gets the nod in retrospect if only because there's more of it to suffer. Give me a Sign (03:49) ---------------------- A return to more familiar territory for this album - beat, vocoder and catchy bassline. For some reason, Mr. Middleton prefers this to Tout est Bleu, despite both (IMO) being good pop songs. Mr. Middleton did suggest that Tout est Bleu was 'too French' - not that he's xenophobic, of course! This features some female sung vocals very reminiscent of Charlene Spitteri of Texas, so you might opt for this one if she does it for you. Gloria, Lonely Boy (05:32) -------------------------- A very industrial sounding piece, with clanking percussion and the occassional 'hammer hits the anvil' effect. This again has a touch of Air about it - the male vocoder makes a return and the 'Lonely Boy' aspect of the title is very close to 'Sexy Boy' in Moon Safari. An inoccuous enough piece, perhaps running just a shade too long, especially with one of those blasted orchestral sections toward the end. Silhouette (02:29) ------------------ A disappointing close to the album - a slow piece with much Moroccan-style wailing, soothing chords, a gentle bassline and no rhythm to speak of. Overall, this is a pretty good album. The front-end far exceeds the back-end - I tend to get a little bored after Bells, but there's enough good material in here to recommend it to anyone who likes their e-music with a beat, obscure/different vocals and who isn't put off by the French-ness of it all. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20946 Re: Album Review : Metamorpheses - Jean Michel Ja Gustavo Jobim Fri 2/18/2000 2 KB From: jimaxel@h... Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 2:02 pm Subject: peel session 1974 td visited john peel's radio show in february 1974. four 'custom-taped' tracks were aired; -mysteriuous semblance... -sequent c -movements of a visionary and -phaedra supposedly, these were work-in-progress-versions, as the album wasn´t out yet. any differences from the ones endin up on the LP? anyone remember? regards jim r From: Airwave Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 3:22 pm Subject: PPG Wave to make a comeback Hi folks. Apparently Steinberg and Waldorf are making the old PPG Wave sounds available again. Knowledged fans will know that TD used the PPG Wave entensively in the beginning of the 80s. Looks like this will give us the chance of hearing the old TD sounds for real now ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steinberg Announces PPG Wave 2.V Virtual Synth February 4, 2000 ­ Steinberg today announced the PPG Wave 2.V virtual reincarnation of a cult synthesizer for Mac and Windows VST systems. The Wave 2 series was the first digital wavetable synthesizer with analog filters, heralding a revolution in both sound and concept. The Wave's most interesting feature was its ability to sweep through 64 waveforms in what PPG called a wavetable. Almost 2000 waveforms were available within the original Wave's 32 internalwavetables. The result of this wavetable technology is that the PPG instrument has a much broader palette and more animated sound than typical analog synthesizers of the early 80's, which tended to have only a few static waveforms such as sawtooth, pulse, or triangle. ThePPG sound was unique and identifiable. Now Waldorf - the leader in wavetable synthesis - brings this exclusive sound back to life with all the advantages a completely integrated software production environment that Cubase VST has to offer. The outputs appear directly in the VST mixer, so effects and ------------------------------------------------------------------------- More info can be found on www.harmony-central.com. AirWave. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20942 Re: PPG Wave to make a comeback Jens Peschke Fri 2/18/2000 2 KB From: Nigbur D Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 2:34 pm Subject: RE: D:Studio [Hyperborea] This is just to say thank you for the many comments about my 'Impressions of Hyperborea' post. I can't wait now to play it once I get home and see if I can warm to tracks 1, 3, and 4 a bit more now... Dennis From: Nigbur D Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 3:02 pm Subject: RE: D:Live [Poland] While we're in the swing of album reviews... on reflection (and as a disclaimer to everything I'm going to say), I have to say that Poland is my favourite Live album, although Logos comes a close second. What I love about this album is the combination of very quiet and minimalist melodic tunes and positively majestic rock/orchestral parts. POLAND - Probably the most varied track on the album, and one I never grow tired of. I especially like the way the synth lead finally takes off after the chords, beat, and background have been gradually set up. To me, this seems like the perfect compromise between order and chaos, and I just don't know how they did it. Although I haven't got a clue about ethnic music in general, the sounds and harmonies in this part actually do seem to have a slavic quality to them - probably just combined habituation and imagination, though. The final part is just beautiful, and reminds me a bit of Exit. One question about this: I always wonder whether the sampled voice used as a rhythm segment actually says anything meaningful? TANGENT - In contrast to the subtly crafted 'Poland', this is quite clearly a track of three discrete movements: The melodic introduction, the swirly-hesitant middle part and the dance tune at the end. Having said that, all three of them are well excecuted and in the right place. This track seems to fit in particularly well with the setting of the icy cold concert hall in Warsaw with windstorms outside and a snow cover of several feet on the roof. It just invokes a wintery image to me. Very atmospheric. BARBAKANE - Yes, we all know what 'Warsaw in the Sun' is about. What is a pity is that this great tune tends to divert the attention of a lot of listeners away from the rest of this track, which I find equally as beautiful. I like the slightly off-beat and off-tune intro, which sounds so peaceful and melodic that any other group would have had no qualms about just leaving it there and wrapping up the track. But TD elaborate on this intro, and the calm and gradual transition to the exquisite 'Warsaw in the Sun' is a beauty in itself. HORIZON - I can never quite decide whether I find this track gloomy or forward-looking (the same, incidentally, goes for the first part of 'Tangent'). In comparison with the preceding tracks, this one seems the most dense, and the most intense to listen to. The big problem with writing a review of this is that it tends to leave me so mesmerised that it's hard to be analytic about it. Suffice to say that the main theme still sends shivers down my spine. RARE BIRD - Quite simply the best encore I can imagine... Writing this review, it occurs to me that it is very hard to try to put my fascination with this record into words. It seems to be tapping structures, harmonies, rhythms and emotions quite unlike anything else I've heard, TD or otherwise. Maybe it is the combination of simple, melodic segments with complex and loud phrases, maybe it's the experimentation with order and chaos, but maybe it's something completely different. I'm looking forward to reading everyone else's ideas about this album. Dennis From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 3:38 pm Subject: Re: PPG Wave to make a comeback > Hi folks. > > Apparently Steinberg and Waldorf are making the old PPG Wave sounds > available again. Actually this is old news. Waldorf, the direct PPG follower, came up with wave table synth based on enhanced PPG technology a while ago: The Waldorf Wave and the MicroWave (95) a while ago and the MicroWave2 and XT more recently based on Motorola DSP's. There's also a Microwave PC card with a DSP around which can be combined with the Terratec EWS 64 XL board. It's new that they put the algorhythms on new platforms which was basically a question of time especially for the intel camp. They haven't got enough power. However, one can do a lot more than reproducing the PPG sounds with the mentioned Waldorf gear. Not too sure about the VST plug-in. Best Regards Jens PS: Kubusschnitt will use Waldorf gear live at their gig at Jodrell Bank/UK. ;-) From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 5:15 pm Subject: RE: D:Studio [Hyperborea] > From: Quarlie@a... > about 808: > It just sounds weak, and not particularly drum-like, to me. Oh > well, to each > his own. It certainly doesn't sound drum-like...thats why I like it :-) But weak? It's got the best bass drums imo which go very very deep. > I look forward to it. :) Maybe I'll get Poland next. You HAVE to! :-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 5:33 pm Subject: Synergy Cords offer is spoken for Sorry to those that responded and didn't make it...Oscar Dean is the lucky recipient. Craig From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 5:58 pm Subject: RE:Maybe I don't know exactly what wimpie is but it doesn't sound too positive. Hey Marcel, A wimp would be someone afraid to fight for themselves. The guy safest for the school bully to pick on. Your new CD Pointless Reminders is not wimpy, I like it much more than your first CD-R. I listened to Pointless Reminder on headphones for my first listening. Wow, some of the track beginnings were almost disorienting. The sequence building created an intense feeling of awe and respect. Thanks, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20947 Re: Maybe I don't know exactly what wimpie is but Marcel Engels Fri 2/18/2000 1 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 2:55 pm Subject: Re: Album Review : Metamorpheses - Jean Michel Jarre >From: craig.cordrey@g... > >Metamorpheses - Jean Michel Jarre >Millions of Stars (05:40) >------------------------- >This is the best track on the album. A slow, 'typically Jarre' piece, IMO, >featuring simple, repeated chords, water-like effects and a beautiful, relaxed >voice speaking combinations of letters and numbers (classifications of stars, >perhaps) for the most part. There is a short 'chorus', talking about the >millions of stars, and an orchestral feel toward the end which is, IMO, a >little out of place. But, this is one hell of a beautiful track. Hey Craig, very interesting review. I just wanted to add that the letters and numbers said at Millions of Stars are the notes which are played at the same time. I mean, when he says D6 he plays D6. Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... GFJMusic: http://www.geocities.com/gustavfj From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 7:16 pm Subject: RE: RE:Maybe I don't know exactly what wimpie is but it doesn't sound too positive. > Subject: [tadream] RE:Maybe I don't know exactly what wimpie is but it Great subject! :-) > Your new CD Pointless Reminders is not wimpy, I like it much more > than your > first CD-R. I listened to Pointless Reminder on headphones for my first > listening. Wow, some of the track beginnings were almost disorienting. The > sequence building created an intense feeling of awe and respect. Thanks Steve! It's great to see/read you like it. Hope to release '.....' (not the real title) this year! Later! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: Richard Ford Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 7:17 pm Subject: Re: D:Live [Poland] > BARBAKANE - > Yes, we all know what 'Warsaw in the Sun' is about. I must be missing something here. Could someone let me into the secret? -- Richard Ford http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Feb 18, 2000 11:28 pm Subject: RE: D:Live [Poland] It was a 12' single with non-album remixes... I will accept reasonable offers for my copy... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Ford [mailto:richard@z...] > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 1:18 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [Poland] > > > From: Richard Ford > > > BARBAKANE - > > Yes, we all know what 'Warsaw in the Sun' is about. > > I must be missing something here. Could someone let me into the secret? > -- > Richard Ford > http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, no hidden fees, and much more. Get NextCard today and get the credit you deserve. Apply now. 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Date: Sat Feb 19, 2000 2:58 am Subject: Re: 808 In a message dated 2/18/00 12:14:58 PM, fsp@w... writes: >It certainly doesn't sound drum-like...thats why I like it :-) Actually, I should have said it differently. I don't mind when a drum machine sounds unrealistic or electronic; it's just that to me the 808 doesn't convey any sense of impact. I don't find it very percussive, if that's possible. >But weak? It's got the best bass drums imo which go very very deep. Maybe I'm just not hearing it used properly. To me, the 808 kick drum has always sounded like nothing so much as someone tapping a water cooler. But, of course, it's just my opinion (and not a very well educated one). --Daniel NP: Empirion--Advanced Technology From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Feb 19, 2000 3:37 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea] > No Man's Land > > In contrast to most of you, I fell in love with this track at the very > beginning. It is freshly different from all the rest of TD. First of > all: it SWINGS. I first bought Hyperborea in Canada on a trip and when I first played it I thought I had rediscovered TD on that snowy January night. My friend and I listened to it at least 3 times non-stop, but we programmed the CD player to skip Cinnamon Road (after the first play). CR is a track I just flat out do not enjoy - sorry. > Hyperborea > others here said it all. It is very beautiful I agree! > Cinnamon Road > > another one of the pop song approach. Nice, but I can live without it. Why do so many fans like this? I can live without it too. > Sphinx Lighting > a major disappointment. Great start though: the lonely PPG Yes, I like this but have mixed feelings every time I listen to it. Vic From: Richard Ford Date: Sat Feb 19, 2000 8:39 am Subject: Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web site Hi all Just a quick note to let those who are interested. I have finally started to uploaded excerpts of some of my TD covers in mp3 to my web site. Also, has anyone downloaded any of the demos I put on my Timeleaf project page? I would love any / all comments on all of my recordings. Note: I am just listening to what I encoded 'late' last night, and the results are not as clean as I would have licked. I am rapidly going off mp3. the quality loss is quite noticeable (or I'm doing something wrong). Answers on an email please. -- Richard Ford http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20956 Re: Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web sit Antonio Nunes Sat 2/19/2000 1 KB 20957 Re: Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web sit Jared White Sat 2/19/2000 3 KB 20959 Re: Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web sit Gustavo Jobim Sun 2/20/2000 1 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Feb 19, 2000 10:45 am Subject: Discussion Week 23 - Sunday 20th February 2000 This weeks discussion brings us to the soundtrack to the film FIRESTARTER. Please make your subject read 'D:Soundtrack [Firestarter]' when posting comments and reviews. Regards, Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Richard Ford Date: Sat Feb 19, 2000 2:41 pm Subject: Song Of The Whale Pt1 midi file uploaded Hi all again Just a quick note to say that I've just uploaded a midi file of 'Song Of The Whale Pt1' to the TD midi file section of my site. Again, if there is anyone out there that is already collecting these files on a site somewhere, please let me know. If not, does anyone have any I don't have so that we can keep a collection of them in one place. Any ideas (good or not) please contact me. -- Richard Ford http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Feb 19, 2000 5:05 pm Subject: Re: Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web site Richard Ford wrote: > Just a quick note to let those who are interested. I have finally > started to uploaded excerpts of some of my TD covers in mp3 to my web > site. Also, has anyone downloaded any of the demos I put on my Timeleaf > project page? > > I would love any / all comments on all of my recordings. I've just downloaded your TD covers excerpts, and wow! they are great. I'm looking forward to hearing the complete tracks. I will download the Timeleaf excerpts later. Congratulations and keep up the good work! Antonio From: Jared White Date: Sat Feb 19, 2000 10:55 pm Subject: RE: Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web site > From: Richard Ford > > Hi all > > Just a quick note to let those who are interested. I have finally > started to uploaded excerpts of some of my TD covers in mp3 to my web > site. Also, has anyone downloaded any of the demos I put on > my Timeleaf > project page? > > I would love any / all comments on all of my recordings. EXCELLENT! I've sampled a couple of the Poland excerpts you've done, plus Dream1 from your Timeleaf project, and I must say that it's all very professional, very rich-sounding -- and I really love Dream1's atmosphere and classical nature. Keep it up -- all of it! There are few TD covers I've heard that really do anything for me, so I appreciate yours very much! > Note: > I am just listening to what I encoded 'late' last night, and > the results > are not as clean as I would have licked. I am rapidly going > off mp3. the > quality loss is quite noticeable (or I'm doing something > wrong). Answers > on an email please. 128Kbps MP3s suck. Anyone who tells you they're 'CD-quality', or even near-CD quality, has problems with their ears. 192Kbps MP3s are tolerable, but still obviously inferior to the original CD-quality signal. What MP3 encoder are you using, BTW? That has a lot to do with it. If you're encoding 128Kbps MP3s with one of those free encoder algorithms floating around, you're going to get horrible (and slow) results. I highly recommend AudioCatalyst, by Xing Technologies (www.xingtech.com). You can't get much better than that. Anyway, good luck with your music, and I hope to hear many more great things in the future! Regards, Jared __________________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@g... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks (Celtic Music Ensemble): http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: Chris Richards Date: Sat Feb 19, 2000 8:38 am Subject: Re: TR-808 I think the TR-808 has it's place in music history. Wasn't a lot of the synth oriented music done during the early 80's using a 808? Yeah, maybe it doesn't sound like an ACOUSTIC drumset, but neither did the Simmons kits that EVERY flippin' band out of England had to have back around 83-85!!!! Anyway, wasn't it an 808 on Freur's Doot Doot??? I seem to recall someone telling me that's what the rhythm track on the first 3/4's of that song was done on. NP: John Coltrane 'Greensleeves' (The Complete Africa/Brass Sessions) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Death Before Dishonour Dishonour Before Disco __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Feb 20, 2000 6:33 pm Subject: Re: Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web site >Note: >I am just listening to what I encoded 'late' last night, and the results >are not as clean as I would have licked. I am rapidly going off mp3. the >quality loss is quite noticeable (or I'm doing something wrong). Answers >on an email please. >-- >Richard Ford I once found some MP3s made by someone which had to be encoded at 160 kbps, otherwise it sounded worse. Maybe you should try with higher bitrates than 128 until find the best one to work with. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... GFJMusic: http://www.geocities.com/gustavfj From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Feb 20, 2000 6:48 pm Subject: GFJMusic update Hello! 2 updates in my GFJMusic page: -links section finally added, with some basic links. -new track: Aldebaran, showing more and more my improvements in the technique of making XM tracks. It has influences from the recently bought Five Miles Out, 1982 album by M.Oldfield. I added a tune similar to that that I've had in my brain for ages at the end of the track, and I will make a Aldebaran part II later. I just realized it had influences from FMO near the end of the composing work. I hope you enjoy, and please, give me feedback! Since I stopped sending the tracks personally and lanched the page nobody said anything about my tracks. I have more than 50 hits in the English version of the tracks page, and I'm almost sure most of the visitors at least heard something from there. Regards, Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... GFJMusic: http://www.geocities.com/gustavfj From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 8:38 am Subject: Tangents on Amazon Folks, Whilst messing around last night, I found possibly interesting news on the UK Amazon site. Tangents is listed as being available from 6th March (same time as Great Wall of China), price £37. I don't know if this is a re-issue (in which case have they corrected the double Rubycon and do we all have to buy it again?) or would Amazon be selling second-hand copies? Anyone see anything like this elsewhere? I know this is a Virgin release, but can Martin shed some light on this? Cheers, -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20962 Re: Tangents on Amazon Quichotte Mon 2/21/2000 3 KB From: 'Quichotte' Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 9:37 am Subject: RE: Tangents on Amazon Hi, It seems to be a re-issue. Kees announced recently that they (Groove Unlimited) will have it in stock end Feb (no second hand) Regards Michael -----Original Message----- From: craig.cordrey@g... [mailto:craig.cordrey@g...] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 9:39 AM To: tadream@o... Subject: [tadream] Tangents on Amazon From: craig.cordrey@g... Folks, Whilst messing around last night, I found possibly interesting news on the UK Amazon site. Tangents is listed as being available from 6th March (same time as Great Wall of China), price £37. I don't know if this is a re-issue (in which case have they corrected the double Rubycon and do we all have to buy it again?) or would Amazon be selling second-hand copies? Anyone see anything like this elsewhere? I know this is a Virgin release, but can Martin shed some light on this? Cheers, -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get YOUR Music Online! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our homepage (link above). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank' Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 3:47 pm Subject: TD sound alike bands Hi folks, I've been wanting to explore some TD sound alike bands. I've seen Red Shift and Arcane mentioned before, but would like to know which titles would be recommended and where could I get them? What are some others and where can I get them at also? Has anybody heard of Gather Darkness? Is this the name of a group? How about Bluetonic or Ghost In The Machine? Dream's ............ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20964 Re: TD sound alike bands craig.cordrey@g... Mon 2/21/2000 3 KB 20966 Re: TD sound alike bands ;-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dust Mon 2/21/2000 1 KB 20967 Re: TD sound alike bands tjames0001@a... Mon 2/21/2000 1 KB 20974 Re: TD sound alike bands quarlie@a... Tue 2/22/2000 1 KB 20981 Re: TD sound alike bands Bennett Cookson Tue 2/22/2000 1 KB From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 3:26 pm Subject: Re: TD sound alike bands >From: 'Frank' > >Hi folks, > I've been wanting to explore some TD sound alike bands. Frank, I hope you find the following of some use ... The self-titled Red Shift album is very much in the Rubycon vein (and I mean _very_), with the second album Ether being a marginal step forward in style but still very Rubycon/Ricochet/Phaedra-esque. Their latest album, Downtime, is a more 'unique' release with no definite copies of TD. If you are a fan of early to mid TD the there are a variety of sound-alikes who concentrate on that sequencer/improvisation feel and sound. 1. AirSculpture have a fairly large back catalogue, but I have to say that most of their stuff sounds the same to me (sorry John, if you're here). AS have the benefit of a guitar player to add slight variety to their sound (as does Red Shift, BTW). 2. Radio Massacre International also has a number of albums available, the double album Frozen North perhaps being the pick of the bunch. 3. There's also the classic self-titled Node album - perhaps not particularly TD-esque other than it contains some very dark but infectious sequences. Unfortunately, this is the only album they released. Although some of the above do have guitarists, they fall heavily into the 'sequencer' camp. If you prefer your TD with a little melody then you could do a lot worse than my personal fave - Under the Dome. Their first album (The Demon Haunted World) was released a couple of years ago and the new one is due shortly (hopefully in time to coincide with their show at Jodrell Bank in March). If you're more of a Schmoelling fan, then you must get Can Attila's Ave, featuring some excellent variations on TD themes. There are probably a lot more, but I'm supposed to be working so I'll leave it at that just now. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nigbur D Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 3:32 pm Subject: RE: D:Studio [Hyperborea] > > Sphinx Lighting > > a major disappointment. Great start though: the lonely PPG > > Yes, I like this but have mixed feelings every time I listen to it. Vic > Having listened to the album again after hearing your comments, I find that this track still doesn't take off for me. I like the sequence, but listening to how it continues unaltered for quite a long time, and how the improviations around it are often made up of a single voice only, there is not much in the composition that would make it stand out. I can see in a way how this leads up to the minimalist style on parts of 'Poland', except that the latter is done a lot more competently and with a superior feeling for melody. Dennis From: ';-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dusty ;-Chalk' Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 4:47 pm Subject: Re: TD sound alike bands BTW, speaking of TD sound-alike bands (sorry, can't help on your question), but does anyone else listen to Synaesthesia? I find there are moments they remind me of TD a lot... -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: tjames0001@a... Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 6:50 pm Subject: Re: TD sound alike bands Redshift is as close to TD as anything I have heard. From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 6:31 pm Subject: SV: TD sound alike bands >From: 'Frank' >Has anybody heard of Gather Darkness? Is this the name of a group? Gather Darkness is the album by the group Arcane. You can read a review of this album at www.itsahit.com/emusic all the best, Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Emusic www.itsahit.com/emusic From: 'Phil White' Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:09 pm Subject: Re: Sound-Alike? From Phil White Synaesthesia do indeed make some fine music but I think they are musically very original in style although yes there are some similarities to areas of TD's output. Slightly off-list I know but both their albums are well worth hearing unlike some of Leeb and Fulber's other incantations ! > From: ';-Peter ;-Prisekin aka ;-Dusty ;-Chalk' > > BTW, speaking of TD sound-alike bands (sorry, can't help on your > question), but does anyone else listen to Synaesthesia? I find there are > moments they remind me of TD a lot... > -- > I remain, > :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: 'David Foster' Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:43 pm Subject: Re Sounds to listen to Some people have mentioned some sounds, bands and people to check out. I went walk about from the mid 80's so I haven't kept up to date with music that people have been making. Does anyone have news or details of Reinhard Lakomy or Michael Rother and anything they've done?. Thanks. David fozdg@d... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20971 Re: Re Sounds to listen to CLOMAN44@A... Mon 2/21/2000 1 KB From: CLOMAN44@A... Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 10:30 pm Subject: Re: Re Sounds to listen to Does TD plan to tour the US in the near future? I saw them in 1976 for the first and last time...sure would like to catch them again, now that I fully enjoy their work! From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' Date: Sun Feb 21, 1999 11:07 pm Subject: RE: Digest Number 397Yes, we all know what 'Warsaw in the Sun' is about. I have Poland ( it is one of TDs best live cds, but please tell me what 'we all know what 'Warsaw in the Sun' is about?\ Thanks DPH -----Original Message----- From: tadream@o... [mailto:tadream@o...] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 3:28 AM To: tadream@o... Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 397 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Promote Health & Earn Extra Income! Join the Rainbow Light Affiliate Program. Sell leading brands of premium nutritionals. Earn 15% commission + 33% on commissions of those you refer to us. http://click.egroups.com/1/1634/2/_/24785/_/951042493/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our homepage (link above). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 23 messages in this issue. Topics in today's digest: 1. D:Studio [Hyperborea] From: Armin Theissen 2. Album Review : Metamorpheses - Jean Michel Jarre From: craig.cordrey@g... 3. peel session 1974 From: jimaxel@h... 4. PPG Wave to make a comeback From: Airwave 5. RE: D:Studio [Hyperborea] From: Nigbur D 6. RE: D:Live [Poland] From: Nigbur D 7. Re: PPG Wave to make a comeback From: 'Jens Peschke' 8. RE: D:Studio [Hyperborea] From: 'Marcel Engels' 9. Synergy Cords offer is spoken for From: 'Craig Chambers' 10. RE:Maybe I don't know exactly what wimpie is but it doesn't sound too positive. From: 'Whiteley, Steve' 11. Re: Album Review : Metamorpheses - Jean Michel Jarre From: Gustavo Jobim 12. RE: RE:Maybe I don't know exactly what wimpie is but it doesn't sound too positive. From: 'Marcel Engels' 13. Re: D:Live [Poland] From: Richard Ford 14. RE: D:Live [Poland] From: 'Michael A Jean' 15. RE: D:Live [Poland] From: 'Michael A Jean' 16. Re: 808 From: Quarlie@a... 17. Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea] From: Vic Rek 18. Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web site From: Richard Ford 19. Discussion Week 23 - Sunday 20th February 2000 From: 'Lawry Simm' 20. Song Of The Whale Pt1 midi file uploaded From: Richard Ford 21. Re: Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web site From: Antonio Nunes 22. RE: Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web site From: Jared White 23. Re: TR-808 From: Chris Richards ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:33:21 GMT From: Armin Theissen Subject: D:Studio [Hyperborea] hI, haven't posted an album discussion here for ages. I was travelling for quite a while and missed faves like Rubycon and Force Majeure. Hyperborea urges me to write again. No Man's Land In contrast to most of you, I fell in love with this track at the very beginning. It is freshly different from all the rest of TD. First of all: it SWINGS. Jazz people here may know what I mean. And I like a complete set of different sounds which feel eastern to me, without the cheesiness of others who really try to copy asian/tibetian stuff. The e-piano like solo sound is also unique in TD music. To what other people said here: there is a lot of bass in the track, very well and subtle used: the percussion, and that chime like sound which also ends the whole track. Luckily the bass is not in the sequencer, for we had this already so often... so, those who miss the bass should check their HiFi system. Or if you really miss it, why don't you play along? Hyperborea others here said it all. It is very beautiful Cinnamon Road another one of the pop song approach. Nice, but I can live without it. Sphinx Lighting a major disappointment. Great start though: the lonely PPG (?) 'twangggggg' can't be played loud enough, and with the gradual build up of the music during the first five minutes we expect something to come... but nothing comes, except somewhere in the middle or end a desperate attempt to give the thing some meat (this is just a phrase, I'm vegetarian...). I hardly manage to really *sit and listen* to this piece completly. I'm urged to stand up, walk around, make some coffee etc... and a general last remark about whimpsy drums: true, I see why those drums can be called whimpsy, but what's wrong with it? They are well used as what they are and add to the style. Hey, thanks God not every track sounds like the Miami Vice theme or whatever 80s drum molesting. Armin np: Stockhausen - Helicopter String Quartet Armin Theissen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath Armagh BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 028 3752 29 28 N. Ireland Fax: (+44) 028 3752 71 74 o/ \o_ \ / __ __o |o \__/o | o____ |__ __/ \__/o | / | / o\ / | > / \ /o\ o| << | \o__/ Ouch!!! ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:37:41 +0000 (GMT) From: craig.cordrey@g... Subject: Album Review : Metamorpheses - Jean Michel Jarre Metamorpheses - Jean Michel Jarre This 12-track CD clocks in at 60 minutes and is supposed to be a major departure for him. I haven't been keeping up with contemporary Jarre releases for a while - I did buy Oxygene 7-13 and have dipped into Chronologie a few years back, but am not a die-hard fan. As such, I can't really say how this relates to his more recent releases. Je me Souviens (04:24) ---------------------- The opener starts with a bass-line and choral effects before the beat appears to offer quite a stomping start. The female vocal is quite stark, mentioning objects in a pretty random way (to me) : The Voice, The Tree, The Goat, The Gate, The Flash, Je me Souviens (okay, the last bit's JMJ himself). I've heard better openers, but this is okay as an introduction to the album's style. C'est la Vie (07:10) -------------------- Moroccan / North African chanting seems to be flavour of the year : Sash, Sting and now JMJ are all getting into the act. I suppose this is the cliched meeting of east and west, with female chanting and middle-eastern-style instruments playing over a western beat and bassline. Cliches aside, though, this is a great track. My version of the CD had a sticker saying 'Includes the hit single C'est la Vie'. Well, I'd never heard of it before, so it hasn't been much of a hit. I guess that suggests the record company (and maybe JMJ) sees this as one of the stronger tracks and, in that respect, they are correct. Rendez-vous a Paris (04:18) --------------------------- Possibly the weakest track on the album, this suffers from a plodding rhythm, irritating French vocoder vocals, and too much violining courtesy of 'her' from The Corrs. I hope JMJ doesn't succumb to the temptation to release this track as a single to cash-in on the 'big-name' collaborator. For some reason, the first segment of this, before the violin kicks in, reminds me of the type of stuff that Enigma and Deep Forest produce. Hey Gagarin (06:21) ------------------- A long, slow and gradual build-up to the main 'funky' bit of this track where we have such great vocals as 'I can root, I can toot' (well, that's what it sounds like). This track suffers slightly in never quite deciding what pace it should be at. In this repect it is reminiscent of some of Tangerine Dream's latest offerings which seem to cram too many ideas into one track. Only average in the fullness of the album. Millions of Stars (05:40) ------------------------- This is the best track on the album. A slow, 'typically Jarre' piece, IMO, featuring simple, repeated chords, water-like effects and a beautiful, relaxed voice speaking combinations of letters and numbers (classifications of stars, perhaps) for the most part. There is a short 'chorus', talking about the millions of stars, and an orchestral feel toward the end which is, IMO, a little out of place. But, this is one hell of a beautiful track. Tout est Bleu (06:01) --------------------- What is it with the French just now? First it was Eiffel 65 telling us all about his 'Blue' world, and now even Jarre agrees that 'Everything is Blue'. This is the second best track which has a wickedly catchy / foot-tapping chorus (even though it's in French) accompanied by more rather strange spoken verses, this time about the weather. There's a killer bridge in the middle which is devine. Just as Millions of Stars is an excellent slower track, this is just as good for its style. Love Love Love (04:25) ---------------------- The opening minute of this sounds like mid-period Depeche Mode, by subsequently the vocoder vocals, rhythm and 'slant' of the vocals is reminiscent of Air's Moon Safari album. This has a more 'ethnic' beat and a more 'anglified' sound thanks to Laurie Anderson's spoken words. One of the better songs on the album, and not one that I would have spotted as a Jarre track. Bells (03:48) ------------- The Bells of the title form the main melody of the track, their tubular sound played above a bouncey rhythm and beat. There's another vocoder vocal here that alternately takes the lead with the bells. By the time this short track finishes, it is just starting to get repetitive - good judgement by Mssr. Jarre. Miss Moon (06:08) ----------------- A bit of a non-entity of a track, this one. The opening couple of minutes sort of meander their way to a short bridge before a continued ramble for another couple of minutes. No foot-tapping beat (although plenty of percussive effects) and no cathcy vocals to carry you along - only some wailing (I keep waiting for the nashing of teeth). This vies with Rendezvous as the weakest track, and probably gets the nod in retrospect if only because there's more of it to suffer. Give me a Sign (03:49) ---------------------- A return to more familiar territory for this album - beat, vocoder and catchy bassline. For some reason, Mr. Middleton prefers this to Tout est Bleu, despite both (IMO) being good pop songs. Mr. Middleton did suggest that Tout est Bleu was 'too French' - not that he's xenophobic, of course! This features some female sung vocals very reminiscent of Charlene Spitteri of Texas, so you might opt for this one if she does it for you. Gloria, Lonely Boy (05:32) -------------------------- A very industrial sounding piece, with clanking percussion and the occassional 'hammer hits the anvil' effect. This again has a touch of Air about it - the male vocoder makes a return and the 'Lonely Boy' aspect of the title is very close to 'Sexy Boy' in Moon Safari. An inoccuous enough piece, perhaps running just a shade too long, especially with one of those blasted orchestral sections toward the end. Silhouette (02:29) ------------------ A disappointing close to the album - a slow piece with much Moroccan-style wailing, soothing chords, a gentle bassline and no rhythm to speak of. Overall, this is a pretty good album. The front-end far exceeds the back-end - I tend to get a little bored after Bells, but there's enough good material in here to recommend it to anyone who likes their e-music with a beat, obscure/different vocals and who isn't put off by the French-ness of it all. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 3 Date: 18 Feb 2000 14:02:34 -0000 From: jimaxel@h... Subject: peel session 1974 td visited john peel's radio show in february 1974. four 'custom-taped' tracks were aired; -mysteriuous semblance... -sequent c -movements of a visionary and -phaedra supposedly, these were work-in-progress-versions, as the album wasn´t out yet. any differences from the ones endin up on the LP? anyone remember? regards jim r ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:22:29 +0000 From: Airwave Subject: PPG Wave to make a comeback Hi folks. Apparently Steinberg and Waldorf are making the old PPG Wave sounds available again. Knowledged fans will know that TD used the PPG Wave entensively in the beginning of the 80s. Looks like this will give us the chance of hearing the old TD sounds for real now ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steinberg Announces PPG Wave 2.V Virtual Synth February 4, 2000 Steinberg today announced the PPG Wave 2.V virtual reincarnation of a cult synthesizer for Mac and Windows VST systems. The Wave 2 series was the first digital wavetable synthesizer with analog filters, heralding a revolution in both sound and concept. The Wave's most interesting feature was its ability to sweep through 64 waveforms in what PPG called a wavetable. Almost 2000 waveforms were available within the original Wave's 32 internalwavetables. The result of this wavetable technology is that the PPG instrument has a much broader palette and more animated sound than typical analog synthesizers of the early 80's, which tended to have only a few static waveforms such as sawtooth, pulse, or triangle. ThePPG sound was unique and identifiable. Now Waldorf - the leader in wavetable synthesis - brings this exclusive sound back to life with all the advantages a completely integrated software production environment that Cubase VST has to offer. The outputs appear directly in the VST mixer, so effects and ------------------------------------------------------------------------- More info can be found on www.harmony-central.com. AirWave. ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:34:28 -0000 From: Nigbur D Subject: RE: D:Studio [Hyperborea] This is just to say thank you for the many comments about my 'Impressions of Hyperborea' post. I can't wait now to play it once I get home and see if I can warm to tracks 1, 3, and 4 a bit more now... Dennis ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:02:33 -0000 From: Nigbur D Subject: RE: D:Live [Poland] While we're in the swing of album reviews... on reflection (and as a disclaimer to everything I'm going to say), I have to say that Poland is my favourite Live album, although Logos comes a close second. What I love about this album is the combination of very quiet and minimalist melodic tunes and positively majestic rock/orchestral parts. POLAND - Probably the most varied track on the album, and one I never grow tired of. I especially like the way the synth lead finally takes off after the chords, beat, and background have been gradually set up. To me, this seems like the perfect compromise between order and chaos, and I just don't know how they did it. Although I haven't got a clue about ethnic music in general, the sounds and harmonies in this part actually do seem to have a slavic quality to them - probably just combined habituation and imagination, though. The final part is just beautiful, and reminds me a bit of Exit. One question about this: I always wonder whether the sampled voice used as a rhythm segment actually says anything meaningful? TANGENT - In contrast to the subtly crafted 'Poland', this is quite clearly a track of three discrete movements: The melodic introduction, the swirly-hesitant middle part and the dance tune at the end. Having said that, all three of them are well excecuted and in the right place. This track seems to fit in particularly well with the setting of the icy cold concert hall in Warsaw with windstorms outside and a snow cover of several feet on the roof. It just invokes a wintery image to me. Very atmospheric. BARBAKANE - Yes, we all know what 'Warsaw in the Sun' is about. What is a pity is that this great tune tends to divert the attention of a lot of listeners away from the rest of this track, which I find equally as beautiful. I like the slightly off-beat and off-tune intro, which sounds so peaceful and melodic that any other group would have had no qualms about just leaving it there and wrapping up the track. But TD elaborate on this intro, and the calm and gradual transition to the exquisite 'Warsaw in the Sun' is a beauty in itself. HORIZON - I can never quite decide whether I find this track gloomy or forward-looking (the same, incidentally, goes for the first part of 'Tangent'). In comparison with the preceding tracks, this one seems the most dense, and the most intense to listen to. The big problem with writing a review of this is that it tends to leave me so mesmerised that it's hard to be analytic about it. Suffice to say that the main theme still sends shivers down my spine. RARE BIRD - Quite simply the best encore I can imagine... Writing this review, it occurs to me that it is very hard to try to put my fascination with this record into words. It seems to be tapping structures, harmonies, rhythms and emotions quite unlike anything else I've heard, TD or otherwise. Maybe it is the combination of simple, melodic segments with complex and loud phrases, maybe it's the experimentation with order and chaos, but maybe it's something completely different. I'm looking forward to reading everyone else's ideas about this album. Dennis ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:38:16 +0100 From: 'Jens Peschke' Subject: Re: PPG Wave to make a comeback > Hi folks. > > Apparently Steinberg and Waldorf are making the old PPG Wave sounds > available again. Actually this is old news. Waldorf, the direct PPG follower, came up with wave table synth based on enhanced PPG technology a while ago: The Waldorf Wave and the MicroWave (95) a while ago and the MicroWave2 and XT more recently based on Motorola DSP's. There's also a Microwave PC card with a DSP around which can be combined with the Terratec EWS 64 XL board. It's new that they put the algorhythms on new platforms which was basically a question of time especially for the intel camp. They haven't got enough power. However, one can do a lot more than reproducing the PPG sounds with the mentioned Waldorf gear. Not too sure about the VST plug-in. Best Regards Jens PS: Kubusschnitt will use Waldorf gear live at their gig at Jodrell Bank/UK. ;-) ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:15:53 +0100 From: 'Marcel Engels' Subject: RE: D:Studio [Hyperborea] > From: Quarlie@a... > about 808: > It just sounds weak, and not particularly drum-like, to me. Oh > well, to each > his own. It certainly doesn't sound drum-like...thats why I like it :-) But weak? It's got the best bass drums imo which go very very deep. > I look forward to it. :) Maybe I'll get Poland next. You HAVE to! :-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:33:24 -0500 From: 'Craig Chambers' Subject: Synergy Cords offer is spoken for Sorry to those that responded and didn't make it...Oscar Dean is the lucky recipient. Craig ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:58:03 -0800 From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Subject: RE:Maybe I don't know exactly what wimpie is but it doesn't sound too positive. Hey Marcel, A wimp would be someone afraid to fight for themselves. The guy safest for the school bully to pick on. Your new CD Pointless Reminders is not wimpy, I like it much more than your first CD-R. I listened to Pointless Reminder on headphones for my first listening. Wow, some of the track beginnings were almost disorienting. The sequence building created an intense feeling of awe and respect. Thanks, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:55:45 -0300 From: Gustavo Jobim Subject: Re: Album Review : Metamorpheses - Jean Michel Jarre >From: craig.cordrey@g... > >Metamorpheses - Jean Michel Jarre >Millions of Stars (05:40) >------------------------- >This is the best track on the album. A slow, 'typically Jarre' piece, IMO, >featuring simple, repeated chords, water-like effects and a beautiful, relaxed >voice speaking combinations of letters and numbers (classifications of stars, >perhaps) for the most part. There is a short 'chorus', talking about the >millions of stars, and an orchestral feel toward the end which is, IMO, a >little out of place. But, this is one hell of a beautiful track. Hey Craig, very interesting review. I just wanted to add that the letters and numbers said at Millions of Stars are the notes which are played at the same time. I mean, when he says D6 he plays D6. Gustavo F. Jobim gustavfj@m... GFJMusic: http://www.geocities.com/gustavfj ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:16:43 +0100 From: 'Marcel Engels' Subject: RE: RE:Maybe I don't know exactly what wimpie is but it doesn't sound too positive. > Subject: [tadream] RE:Maybe I don't know exactly what wimpie is but it Great subject! :-) > Your new CD Pointless Reminders is not wimpy, I like it much more > than your > first CD-R. I listened to Pointless Reminder on headphones for my first > listening. Wow, some of the track beginnings were almost disorienting. The > sequence building created an intense feeling of awe and respect. Thanks Steve! It's great to see/read you like it. Hope to release '.....' (not the real title) this year! Later! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:17:30 +0000 From: Richard Ford Subject: Re: D:Live [Poland] > BARBAKANE - > Yes, we all know what 'Warsaw in the Sun' is about. I must be missing something here. Could someone let me into the secret? -- Richard Ford http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:28:42 -0600 From: 'Michael A Jean' Subject: RE: D:Live [Poland] It was a 12' single with non-album remixes... I will accept reasonable offers for my copy... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Ford [mailto:richard@z...] > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 1:18 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [Poland] > > > From: Richard Ford > > > BARBAKANE - > > Yes, we all know what 'Warsaw in the Sun' is about. > > I must be missing something here. Could someone let me into the secret? > -- > Richard Ford > http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. 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MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Ford [mailto:richard@z...] > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 1:18 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [Poland] > > > From: Richard Ford > > > BARBAKANE - > > Yes, we all know what 'Warsaw in the Sun' is about. > > I must be missing something here. Could someone let me into the secret? > -- > Richard Ford > http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, no hidden fees, and much more. Get NextCard today and get the credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our homepage (link above). ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:58:45 EST From: Quarlie@a... Subject: Re: 808 In a message dated 2/18/00 12:14:58 PM, fsp@w... writes: >It certainly doesn't sound drum-like...thats why I like it :-) Actually, I should have said it differently. I don't mind when a drum machine sounds unrealistic or electronic; it's just that to me the 808 doesn't convey any sense of impact. I don't find it very percussive, if that's possible. >But weak? It's got the best bass drums imo which go very very deep. Maybe I'm just not hearing it used properly. To me, the 808 kick drum has always sounded like nothing so much as someone tapping a water cooler. But, of course, it's just my opinion (and not a very well educated one). --Daniel NP: Empirion--Advanced Technology ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:37:03 -0500 From: Vic Rek Subject: Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea] > No Man's Land > > In contrast to most of you, I fell in love with this track at the very > beginning. It is freshly different from all the rest of TD. First of > all: it SWINGS. I first bought Hyperborea in Canada on a trip and when I first played it I thought I had rediscovered TD on that snowy January night. My friend and I listened to it at least 3 times non-stop, but we programmed the CD player to skip Cinnamon Road (after the first play). CR is a track I just flat out do not enjoy - sorry. > Hyperborea > others here said it all. It is very beautiful I agree! > Cinnamon Road > > another one of the pop song approach. Nice, but I can live without it. Why do so many fans like this? I can live without it too. > Sphinx Lighting > a major disappointment. Great start though: the lonely PPG Yes, I like this but have mixed feelings every time I listen to it. Vic ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 18 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 08:39:24 +0000 From: Richard Ford Subject: Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web site Hi all Just a quick note to let those who are interested. I have finally started to uploaded excerpts of some of my TD covers in mp3 to my web site. Also, has anyone downloaded any of the demos I put on my Timeleaf project page? I would love any / all comments on all of my recordings. Note: I am just listening to what I encoded 'late' last night, and the results are not as clean as I would have licked. I am rapidly going off mp3. the quality loss is quite noticeable (or I'm doing something wrong). Answers on an email please. -- Richard Ford http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 19 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 10:45:03 -0000 From: 'Lawry Simm' Subject: Discussion Week 23 - Sunday 20th February 2000 This weeks discussion brings us to the soundtrack to the film FIRESTARTER. Please make your subject read 'D:Soundtrack [Firestarter]' when posting comments and reviews. Regards, Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 20 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:41:19 +0000 From: Richard Ford Subject: Song Of The Whale Pt1 midi file uploaded Hi all again Just a quick note to say that I've just uploaded a midi file of 'Song Of The Whale Pt1' to the TD midi file section of my site. Again, if there is anyone out there that is already collecting these files on a site somewhere, please let me know. If not, does anyone have any I don't have so that we can keep a collection of them in one place. Any ideas (good or not) please contact me. -- Richard Ford http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 21 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 17:05:46 +0000 From: Antonio Nunes Subject: Re: Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web site Richard Ford wrote: > Just a quick note to let those who are interested. I have finally > started to uploaded excerpts of some of my TD covers in mp3 to my web > site. Also, has anyone downloaded any of the demos I put on my Timeleaf > project page? > > I would love any / all comments on all of my recordings. I've just downloaded your TD covers excerpts, and wow! they are great. I'm looking forward to hearing the complete tracks. I will download the Timeleaf excerpts later. Congratulations and keep up the good work! Antonio ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 22 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:55:39 -0800 From: Jared White Subject: RE: Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web site > From: Richard Ford > > Hi all > > Just a quick note to let those who are interested. I have finally > started to uploaded excerpts of some of my TD covers in mp3 to my web > site. Also, has anyone downloaded any of the demos I put on > my Timeleaf > project page? > > I would love any / all comments on all of my recordings. EXCELLENT! I've sampled a couple of the Poland excerpts you've done, plus Dream1 from your Timeleaf project, and I must say that it's all very professional, very rich-sounding -- and I really love Dream1's atmosphere and classical nature. Keep it up -- all of it! There are few TD covers I've heard that really do anything for me, so I appreciate yours very much! > Note: > I am just listening to what I encoded 'late' last night, and > the results > are not as clean as I would have licked. I am rapidly going > off mp3. the > quality loss is quite noticeable (or I'm doing something > wrong). Answers > on an email please. 128Kbps MP3s suck. Anyone who tells you they're 'CD-quality', or even near-CD quality, has problems with their ears. 192Kbps MP3s are tolerable, but still obviously inferior to the original CD-quality signal. What MP3 encoder are you using, BTW? That has a lot to do with it. If you're encoding 128Kbps MP3s with one of those free encoder algorithms floating around, you're going to get horrible (and slow) results. I highly recommend AudioCatalyst, by Xing Technologies (www.xingtech.com). You can't get much better than that. Anyway, good luck with your music, and I hope to hear many more great things in the future! Regards, Jared __________________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@g... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks (Celtic Music Ensemble): http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 23 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:38:25 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: TR-808 I think the TR-808 has it's place in music history. Wasn't a lot of the synth oriented music done during the early 80's using a 808? Yeah, maybe it doesn't sound like an ACOUSTIC drumset, but neither did the Simmons kits that EVERY flippin' band out of England had to have back around 83-85!!!! Anyway, wasn't it an 808 on Freur's Doot Doot??? I seem to recall someone telling me that's what the rhythm track on the first 3/4's of that song was done on. NP: John Coltrane 'Greensleeves' (The Complete Africa/Brass Sessions) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Death Before Dishonour Dishonour Before Disco __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Feb 22, 2000 12:33 am Subject: FW: TD sound alike bands How about Optical Image? -----Original Message----- From: tjames0001@a... [mailto:tjames0001@a...] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 12:50 PM To: Subject: Re: [tadream] TD sound alike bands From: tjames0001@a... 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Date: Tue Feb 22, 2000 3:32 am Subject: Re: TD sound alike bands In a message dated 2/21/00 11:49:14 AM, dusty@p... writes: >BTW, speaking of TD sound-alike bands (sorry, can't help on your >question), but does anyone else listen to Synaesthesia? I find there are >moments they remind me of TD a lot... I have their double album 'Desideratum,' and I agree that it at times sounds rather TD-esque. The main sequence in 'Umbra' (disc 1, track 4) springs particularly to mind. Of course, a lot of the time they don't sound like TD at all. --Daniel NP: We Will Follow: a Tribute to U2 From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Feb 22, 2000 6:55 am Subject: Vic? Vic, If you're here...I can't reach you at your usual e-mail address. Do you have another one? Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Feb 22, 2000 9:37 am Subject: Re: Re TD sound alike bands I'm intrigued by all the comments about TD 'sound alike' bands. What period of TD are you all talking about? After all, one would hardly guess that one of the driving forces behind 'Electronic Meditation', 'Phaedra' or even 'Tangram' was also behind 'Melrose', 'Tyranny of Beauty' or 'Turn of the Tides'. What I'm suggesting is that TD has undergone so many changes in musical styles over the past thirty years that it's difficult to pigeon-hole them. From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Feb 22, 2000 2:37 pm Subject: D: Soundtrack [Firestarter] I still think that until today this was TD's best soundtrack effort, IMO it beats even stuff like 'Wavelength', 'The Keep' or 'Sorcerer' (or Risky business...Al, where are you?) 'Crystal voice'...talk about a smart bloody opening. I remember hearing it way back in the mid-80's on the German radio show 'NDR 2 - Der Club' when this track was requested (!) by some wise listener. I immediately taped it onto cassette and I still remember the awstruck voice of the commentator whispering something like 'spherical music'. Last year I bought the CD Version and finally heard this song in its full glory. If I had to choose the best TD soundtrack title then I won't have to look any further. A true moment of inspiration. Also brilliant (and not a million miles away from 'Crystal voice') is 'Charly the kid'. Again some glorious and subtle sequencer work. TD sound so confident on this record, they know what they were capable of and used their skills to perfection (btw, have I told you that I'm a TD diehard? ;-) I'm not good in explaining or describing songs (after all, English isn't my native language) and I know (or hope) that some other people will post their review of 'Firestarter'. But for me this is a true gem in TD's huuuuge discography and it will stand the test of time. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20978 Re: D: Soundtrack [Firestarter] Bert.Hulshoff@N... Tue 2/22/2000 4 KB 20979 Re: D: Soundtrack [Firestarter] tjames0001@a... Tue 2/22/2000 1 KB 20980 D: Soundtrack [Firestarter] Sean Montgomery Tue 2/22/2000 1 KB 20982 Re: D: Soundtrack [Firestarter] Richard Ford Tue 2/22/2000 1 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Tue Feb 22, 2000 2:31 pm Subject: RE: D: Soundtrack [Firestarter] Firestarter was also one of my favorite soundtracks, fitted good with the movie etc..., but after hearing TD's last soundtrack 'Great Wall of China' I got some problems. At this moment I cannot say if Firestarter is better or not, but 'Great Wall' is at this moment my fav. TD is really going strong, a great mixture between new and old. Keep on Dreamin' Bert aka Phrozenlight my Homepage http://go.to/phrozenlight/ (still under construction) please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-) > my home-email phrozenlight@z... > > > > ---------- > From: Heiko Heerssen[SMTP:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 15:37 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] D: Soundtrack [Firestarter] > > From: Heiko Heerssen > > I still think that until today this was TD's best soundtrack effort, IMO > it beats even stuff like 'Wavelength', 'The Keep' or 'Sorcerer' (or > Risky business...Al, where are you?) > > 'Crystal voice'...talk about a smart bloody opening. I remember hearing > it way back in the mid-80's on the German radio show 'NDR 2 - Der Club' > when this track was requested (!) by some wise listener. I immediately > taped it onto cassette and I still remember the awstruck voice of the > commentator whispering something like 'spherical music'. Last year I > bought the CD Version and finally heard this song in its full glory. If > I had to choose the best TD soundtrack title then I won't have to look > any further. A true moment of inspiration. Also brilliant (and not a > million miles away from 'Crystal voice') is 'Charly the kid'. Again some > glorious and subtle sequencer work. TD sound so confident on this > record, they know what they were capable of and used their skills to > perfection (btw, have I told you that I'm a TD diehard? ;-) > I'm not good in explaining or describing songs (after all, English isn't > my native language) and I know (or hope) that some other people will > post their review of 'Firestarter'. But for me this is a true gem in > TD's huuuuge discography and it will stand the test of time. > > Heiko > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Shabang!com is the place to get your FREE eStore, Absolutely FREE > Forever. If you have any desires to sell your products or services > online, or you want to expand your customer base for FREE, Come check > out Shabang!com FREE eStores! > http://click.egroups.com/1/1299/2/_/24785/_/951229498/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our homepage > (link above). > From: tjames0001@a... Date: Tue Feb 22, 2000 4:32 pm Subject: RE: D: Soundtrack [Firestarter] Ditto Bert From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Feb 22, 2000 5:42 pm Subject: D: Soundtrack [Firestarter] I too have come to heap praise on Crystal Voice and Charly the Kid, the pieces which play over the opening and closing credits respectively. But there are other tracks to like here, too...particularly Burning Force and Flash Final, which really do convey a feeling of heat...and Out of the Heat, a beautiful little ditty (and early use of a Fairlight, if I'm not mistaken). I've always liked Shop Territory too. I just wish that a remastered version, 'de-hissed' version of Firestarter could be released. I was so disappointed when I first played the disc and found that it sounded like a cassette! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Bennett Cookson Date: Tue Feb 22, 2000 7:09 pm Subject: RE: TD sound alike bands When mentioning TD sound alike bands, please mention a time period or example TD album to compare too. Since TD is so different through the years they often do not sound like themselves... --Bennett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Richard Ford Date: Tue Feb 22, 2000 7:12 pm Subject: Re: D: Soundtrack [Firestarter] >I was so disappointed when I first played the disc and found that it >sounded like a cassette! This is why I decided to record my own version of 'Charley the Kid' -- Richard Ford http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Feb 23, 2000 2:21 am Subject: GFJM shutting down Hello everyone. I just want to let you know that I'm shutting down my music page. My holidays are over, and I'll have almost no free time to make music or update the page. I decided to delete the tracks that were there, but the page will still be on, at least with the links. The other thing that made me take this decision was the fact that despite the many hits (120) in just eight days, I got almost zero feedback from you - and for me there's no reason to keep the site up if nobody gives me any opinion about it (some people did comment - thank you). I'll continue to make my music, slower than before, but now it'll be just for my own enjoyment. See you next post. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... GFJMusic (without any music - sem música): http://www.geocities.com/gustavfj Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21003 Re: GFJM shutting down Marcel Engels Thu 2/24/2000 2 KB 21014 Re: GFJM shutting down Bert.Hulshoff@N... Fri 2/25/2000 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Feb 22, 2000 4:30 pm Subject: One more favourite sequence Remember that favourite sequences thread? Well, I just discovered that I love Madrigal Meridian. Incredible. It's a preview of Quichotte part 2. gfj np MM p.s. And here we know the guitar is original :) Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... GFJMusic (without any music - sem música): http://www.geocities.com/gustavfj From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Feb 23, 2000 3:25 am Subject: [Firestarter] I don't want to start any fire here (yes, lousy joke), but I think Charly the Kid (the only Firestarter track I have, and on cassette) isn't very good. Maybe just nice, with a nice sequence. BTW, I'm still trying to hear Livemiles. This album seems cursed, I never manage to hear it from 0:00 to the last minute. Maybe I get tired too soon waiting for something, with the loooong calm first part of the album. I don't know - whenever I play, like, Poland, I just can't press any button on the player until the last moment of at least the title track. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... GFJMusic (without any music - sem música): http://www.geocities.com/gustavfj From: jowers Date: Wed Feb 23, 2000 4:02 am Subject: Looking for TD Fans Looking for any Chicago area TD Fans to answer a couple of tour/concert questions for me. Please email me in private!!!! Thanks, Kevin kvjowers@i... From: 'joe shoults' Date: Wed Feb 23, 2000 5:37 am Subject: test; please ignore test Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 24483 test; please ignore Joe Shoults Thu 10/19/2000 2 KB From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Wed Feb 23, 2000 7:36 am Subject: D:Live [Poland] (/LURK) Hi folks, I'm back, but not for long :-( Actually, I've never really been away but I'm so busy that I'm waaaay behind on all my emails. Pity really, 'cos the D:Studio/Live discussions are covering one of my favourite TD eras and I just haven't got the time (or the energy) to post my own impressions. Oh what the heck, let's have a go anyway. The entire album (on cassette BTW) is always in my car; it will get played and played and played till it's totally worn out. Then I'll keep on playing it until the case falls to bits. Put simply, it's that good. The last movement on the Poland track never fails to move me to tears; for one simple reason: IMO, things were never the same again after this album, and for a while I hated TD for that. There has been some good stuff since, but to me, Poland was the end of an era. Driving bass lines, ripping sequences, this needs to be played LOUD ... (LURK) - sorry, but that's it for now ... Cheers, Steve. p.s. Jens, Andy - I've not forgotten you guys! ============ STEVE YENSEN =============== Home: syensen@i... http://www.innotts.co.uk/~syensen/ (the internet in nottingham) Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... (Siemens Communications) See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Feb 23, 2000 10:34 am Subject: Great Wall of China at no. 25 ! HI! 'Great Wall Of China' is selling very well! The german mail-order company JPC notes the 'Great Wall' soundtrack as no. 25 in their TOP30 - selling albums ! For the first time I see a TD record in their top-list! Rainer rainer@k... PS: New ELEKTROBEATS (Great Wall Spacial) CDR is finished! --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Glynn Naughton Date: Wed Feb 23, 2000 10:22 am Subject: D:Soundtrack [Firestarter] - and some ramblings... Hello there, Ah, this one brings back fun memories... Back in the very early 80s, VCRs were still a novelty in the UK. One of my friends had one of the few around at that time. During the evenings when his parents were out we would all pile round to watch videos. At that time, current Hollywood releases were not available on video. Most of the titles available for rental were what later became known (and banned) as 'video nasties' (Dawn of the Dead, Zombie Flesh Eaters, I Spit on Your Grave, Cannibal Holocaust) or cheezy action films (Escape from New York, The Warriors, Mad Max). We worked our way through huge quantities of this type of film (plus the inevitable pornography - after all, you're talking about a bunch of adolescent males here), and my recollection is that nearly all of them had cheap and cheezy synthesiser scores in the 'Early 80s TD Soundtrack' style. So whenever I hear something like Firestarter or The Park is Mine, it immediately sets off this nostalgic association - 'Early 80s video trash!!!' Having said that, Firestarter (the music, not the film) is considerably better than most examples of this genre. I rate 'Crystal Voice' and 'Charley the Kid' as two of the best things TD has ever done, and I'm also very fond of that ditty that closes out the album (Rainbirds Move?). It still shocks me a bit, though, that a group as obviously intelligent and cultured as TD could have scored some of the more dubious films that they did around that time (Human Experiments, Red Heat). Watching 'em is one thing (you can always deny it). Having your name indelibly professionally associated with 'em is quite another ;-) Glynn From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Wed Feb 23, 2000 11:01 am Subject: Dream Encores Hi all, Firestarter seems interesting, judging from the reviews. I'll try to get it soon. Another item I have been offered is Dream Encores. Just wondered if anyone here could tell me if it consists only of previously released tracks or if there are new ones there as well. I know that at least some of the tracks are familiar, but maybe different versions, what do I know. Anyone? Thanks, Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20992 Re: Dream Encores craig.cordrey@g... Wed 2/23/2000 2 KB From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Wed Feb 23, 2000 11:18 am Subject: Re: Dream Encores The track listing for Dream Encores is : Order of the Ginger Guild (from Madchen on the Stairs CD-Single) Forth Worth Runway One (Goblin's Club 'Bonus Track') Eleanor Rigby (from the Shepherd's Bush CD-Single) Oriental Haze Story of the Brave (Turn of the Tides 'Bonus Track') Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal (from the Shepherd's Bush CD-Single) Catwalk Purple Haze The Midnight Trail Rolling Down Cahuenga Towards the Evening Star Dominion A number of the later tracks are also slightly different mixes (and I mean 'slight'), except Dominion which is quite different in this 1986 (or 88?) version that the 82 original. So, if you have all the CD Singles and various copies of albums, then you'll have the material. Otherwise, it may be worthwhile finding it. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Feb 23, 2000 1:09 pm Subject: RE:ELEKTROBEATS Rainer...Tell us more about it... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Rainer Rutka [mailto:rainer@k...] > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 5:34 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Great Wall of China at no. 25 ! > > > From: Rainer Rutka > > HI! > > 'Great Wall Of China' is selling very well! > > The german mail-order company JPC notes the 'Great Wall' soundtrack > as no. 25 in their TOP30 - selling albums ! For the first time I see > a TD record in their top-list! > > Rainer > rainer@k... > > PS: New ELEKTROBEATS (Great Wall Spacial) CDR is finished! > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > www.rutka.de/td > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ENTERTAINMENT AND LIFESTYLE ADVICE FROM REAL PEOPLE! Xpertsite > has thousands of experts who > are willing to answer your questions for FREE. Go to Xpertsite today and > put your mind to rest. > http://click.egroups.com/1/1458/2/_/24785/_/951298695/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our > homepage (link above). > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21002 ELEKTROBEATS NEUMANN.H-J@t... Thu 2/24/2000 1 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Wed Feb 23, 2000 1:59 pm Subject: Great Wall review Hey all, Has anyone written a review of Great Wall of China? I'd like to have a review for my Emusic website but havent been able to find the CD myself. If anyone would care to share their review with Emusic visitors that would be excellent! all the best, Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Emusic www.itsahit.com/emusic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 20995 Re: Great Wall review Steven Le Vine Wed 2/23/2000 1 KB 20997 Re: Great Wall review joe shoults Thu 2/24/2000 1 KB 20999 Re: Great Wall review Airwave Thu 2/24/2000 1 KB 21000 Re: Great Wall review Airwave Thu 2/24/2000 1 KB From: 'Steven Le Vine' Date: Wed Feb 23, 2000 11:05 pm Subject: Re: Great Wall review Hey Glenn, Yeah, Flemming wrote an EXCELLENT review a month or 2 ago. I guess it is in the archives somewhere. Take care, siberkat > From: 'Glenn Folkvord' > > Hey all, > > Has anyone written a review of Great Wall of China? From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Thu Feb 24, 2000 4:01 am Subject: SV: Great Wall review >From: 'Steven Le Vine' >Yeah, Flemming wrote an EXCELLENT review a month or 2 ago. I guess it is in >the archives somewhere. Does that mean I have to wade through the archives, or would Flemming be kind enough to forward the review to me if he allows me to use it? all the best, glenn From: 'joe shoults' Date: Thu Feb 24, 2000 8:51 am Subject: RE: Great Wall review nope, no wading. search by this string, [great_wall_of_china], and you get: http://www.onelist.com/omessages/tadream?archive=341 joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Folkvord [mailto:folkvord@n...] ... > >From: 'Steven Le Vine' > >Yeah, Flemming wrote an EXCELLENT review a month or 2 ago. I > guess it is in > >the archives somewhere. > > Does that mean I have to wade through the archives, or would > Flemming be kind enough to forward the review to me if he allows > me to use it? > From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Feb 24, 2000 10:41 am Subject: ELEKTROBEATS-more infos On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Michael A Jean wrote: > From: 'Michael A Jean' > Rainer...Tell us more about it... > MJ OK! I got a lot of response because of the new Elektro Beats CD. The CD was mastered by Heiko Neumann. I did the cover. Tracklisting and picture is at: www.rutka.de/td Go to the 'NEW' - section and click onto the cover-picture! Hope it helps. Rainer rainer@k... --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Airwave Date: Thu Feb 24, 2000 2:44 pm Subject: Re: Great Wall review joe shoults wrote : > nope, no wading. search by this string, [great_wall_of_china], and you get: > > http://www.onelist.com/omessages/tadream?archive=341 Thanx Joe. That means I won't have to go through the entire archive to find it myself. LOL. >>> From: 'Steven Le Vine' >>> Yeah, Flemming wrote an EXCELLENT review a month or 2 ago. I >>> guess it is in the archives somewhere. Thanx Steven :-) Flemming (aka AirWave) From: Airwave Date: Thu Feb 24, 2000 2:44 pm Subject: Re: Great Wall review Glenn Folkvord wrote: > Does that mean I have to wade through the archives, or would Flemming be kind > enough to forward the review to me if he allows me to use it? If you can find it through Joe's suggestion feel free to use it. Just be kind enough to mention that I wrote it ;-) I'd be happy to send it to you, if I can find it. I don't usually keep more than a month worth of any maillinglist, and it's doubtful that I still have it on my HD. Just let me know and I'll have a look. What's the URL of your site anyway ? Flemming (aka AirWave) From: 'joe shoults' Date: Thu Feb 24, 2000 1:49 pm Subject: test - please ignore vic- let me know if you get this Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21004 Re: test - please ignore Marcel Engels Thu 2/24/2000 1 KB 21005 Re: test - please ignore Jim Moore Thu 2/24/2000 2 KB 21006 Re: test - please ignore joe shoults Fri 2/25/2000 1 KB 21009 Re: test - please ignore Vic Rek Fri 2/25/2000 1 KB 21010 Re: test - please ignore Vic Rek Fri 2/25/2000 1 KB 21011 Re: test - please ignore Vic Rek Fri 2/25/2000 1 KB 21012 Re: test - please ignore Jim Moore Fri 2/25/2000 2 KB 21688 test - please ignore Owens, James E Wed 4/5/2000 2 KB 27735 test - please ignore Owens, James Tue 7/17/2001 2 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Thu Feb 24, 2000 3:38 pm Subject: ELEKTROBEATS Hi All, I am the man behind the mastering of the 'ElektroBeats CDR : Great Wall of China'. I give you more information of the interested Radioprogram here in Germany. Called: 'ElektroBeats' at Radio Eins (Potsdam/Babelsberg=Film City here in Germany). The Show starts every week on Wednesday from 11.00 pm to 01.00 am. Showman is Mr. Olaf Zimmermann. Every week he played two hours 'Electronic Music' only from Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Ash Ra Tempel, The Orb and many more. Specials shows they are: Interviews too New Releases or Concerts. Thank you for the great Covers of our own CDR series: Elektrobeats . Thank you Rainer Rutka. bye Heiko Neumann Burg Germany NEUMANN.H-J@t... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Feb 24, 2000 5:07 pm Subject: RE: GFJM shutting down > From: Gustavo Jobim > > I just want to let you know that I'm shutting down my music page. My > holidays are over, and I'll have almost no free time to make music or > update the page. I decided to delete the tracks that were there, but the > page will still be on, at least with the links. Why? Why should the music be gone as you may have no free time? I don't have much time either, but have no plans in shutting down mine. > The other thing that made me take this decision was the fact that despite > the many hits (120) in just eight days, I got almost zero > feedback from you > - and for me there's no reason to keep the site up if nobody gives me any > opinion about it (some people did comment - thank you). I'll continue to > make my music, slower than before, but now it'll be just for my > own enjoyment. 120 in 8 days...you're doing better then most of us. (probably because it's fresh etc)... Don't let 'no opinions' change your opinion... Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Feb 24, 2000 5:49 pm Subject: RE: test - please ignore > From: 'joe shoults' > > vic- let me know if you get this No, I'm not ignoring this Joe! :-) Vic, where are you??? I can't send mail on your regular address and you're not here also...few days away maybe? Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu Feb 24, 2000 6:35 pm Subject: Re: test - please ignore I've spoken to Vic and let him know that there's a problem with his mail system. That was Sunday, though... - jim ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marcel Engels' To: Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 12:49 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] test - please ignore > From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > From: 'joe shoults' > > > > vic- let me know if you get this > > No, I'm not ignoring this Joe! :-) > > Vic, where are you??? I can't send mail on your regular address and > you're not here also...few days away maybe? > > Marcel > Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels > Email :fsp@w... > > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our homepage (link above). > > From: 'joe shoults' Date: Fri Feb 25, 2000 12:14 am Subject: RE: test - please ignore aha. well, then, I guess I can stop trying to troubleshoot why he's not getting tadream mail! ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Moore [mailto:jimbo@v...] > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 1:35 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] test - please ignore > > > From: 'Jim Moore' > > I've spoken to Vic and let him know that there's a problem with his mail > system. That was Sunday, though... > > - jim From: 'joe shoults' Date: Fri Feb 25, 2000 12:14 am Subject: RE: Tangerine Dream welcome jose! > -----Original Message----- > From: jose velardo [mailto:jvelardo@c...] > Subject: Tangerine Dream > > Hello my name is José and I am Tangerine Dream admirer, and he/she > wanted if you can inform me where I can buy the following CDs.: > IN THE BEGINNING > TANG. DREAM 70 - 80 > 3 O'CLOCK HIGH > MUSIC FROM GERMAN TV SERIES TATORT > THE MAN INSIDE > FORBIDDEN > RUMPELSTILTSKIN > MUSIC FROM THE MOVIE > SONY CENTER TOPPING OF CEREMONY SCORE > STREETHAWK > > Please GET ME SOME ADDRESS IN INTERNET to BE ABLE TO to BUY, BECAUSE > HERE IN ARGENTINEAN I GET ONLY SOME OFFICIAL CDs. > FROM ALREADY thank you, AND I HOPE they can HELP ME. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23055 Tangerine Dream Carl Kearney Sun 6/25/2000 2 KB 32610 Tangerine Dream convention24 Fri 3/8/2002 2 KB 34794 Tangerine Dream Rogelio Cavazosjr Thu 7/11/2002 2 KB From: 'kayleigh' Date: Fri Feb 25, 2000 12:59 am Subject: Looking for some live shows Hey there all. Wanted to post a quick note about live TD stuff that is available. I'm trying to continue to add to my collection, so thought I'd ask about a few more goodies? i've got a lot of TD stuff (mostly studio stuff, BUT I do have about 10-12 shows from various tours), and wasn't sure if anyone would be interested in either swapping or 2-1 trades if possible? I'd love to add more stuff as I can't stop listening to this stuff, BUT am having a hard time finding more goodies from people when I Don't have a lot of TD stuff to offer? e-mail me off the list. THANKS! dan WELCOME to Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://www.modempool.com/kayleigh Great White/Poison Online Mailing Lists TheTradingCircle - An Online CDR Trading Network! ICQ#1247205 - AOL IM: Tootiehoot2 Yahoo Pager: kayleigh_tootiehoot From: Vic Rek Date: Fri Feb 25, 2000 2:59 am Subject: Re: test - please ignore Hi Joe! Yes, I have received this e-mail! I think all should be OK now - weird? Hey, please consider joining us in Okefenokee in early April. Some hard core fans and friends plan on being there! Vic joe shoults wrote: > > From: 'joe shoults' > > vic- let me know if you get this > From: Vic Rek Date: Fri Feb 25, 2000 3:38 am Subject: Re: test - please ignore Marcel Engels wrote: > > From: 'Marcel Engels' > > Vic, where are you??? I can't send mail on your regular address and > you're not here also...few days away maybe? Hey! I'm alive and at the same e-mail address (and still here)! My ISP had some major problems with someone changing addresses! Anyway, I seem to be receiving a few [tadream] e-mails daily so I hope all is back to normal. Please try my home address and I'll reply as soon as I can. But anyway I apologize to the friendly listeners that have to deal with my cyberspace flat-tire. Maybe I was highjacked? Even my GoblinsClub subscription was mysteriously deleted! Hmmm ;-) Vic From: Vic Rek Date: Fri Feb 25, 2000 3:43 am Subject: Re: test - please ignore Hi Jim! Even though I've been sending e-mails - I have not been receving my own back. If you get this e-mail Jim, please give me a ring. I need to correct this ASAP since we are planning a Year 200 TD event!!! Thanks. Vic Jim Moore wrote: > > From: 'Jim Moore' > > I've spoken to Vic and let him know that there's a problem with his mail > system. That was Sunday, though... > > - jim From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri Feb 25, 2000 4:24 am Subject: Re: test - please ignore I got this one... But I think we're a little late for a year 200 event... hee hee... - jim ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Vic Rek' To: Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] test - please ignore > From: Vic Rek > > Hi Jim! > > Even though I've been sending e-mails - I have not been receving my own > back. If you get this e-mail Jim, please give me a ring. I need to > correct this ASAP since we are planning a Year 200 TD event!!! Thanks. > Vic > > Jim Moore wrote: > > > > From: 'Jim Moore' > > > > I've spoken to Vic and let him know that there's a problem with his mail > > system. That was Sunday, though... > > > > - jim > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start your own free email group on eGroups. > http://click.egroups.com/1/1882/2/_/24785/_/951449683/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our homepage (link above). > > From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Fri Feb 25, 2000 6:25 am Subject: free sampler CD 'GIFT' from 'Invisible Shadow' Hi folks, if you wanna discover some new music on CD for free (no kidding!), here's your chance: The German EM label 'Invisible Shadow' is offering a free sampler CD called 'Gift' with otherwise unavailable tracks by IS artists like: Patrick Kosmos, Pyramid Peak, Foreign Spaces, Tranquillity (=one half of RAMP), Frank Specht (=one half of Rainbow Serpent), Sanhedryn & Navigator. You might have heard about some of them already. No ? All you need doing getting hold of it is sending an email with your own adress to invisible-shadow@m... The CD (no CD-R!) which comes with a 4 page coloured booklet will be ready in three weeks. As I said it's free and if they are gone, they are gone. Check www.invisible-shadow.de but watch out, they just got a new email adress due to a provider change, invisible-shadow@m... is the new one. Best Regards Jens From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Fri Feb 25, 2000 7:34 am Subject: RE: GFJM shutting down I think the same, in almost 7 months 242 hits, zero Guestbook signings But what does it matter, I made music for my own, If other people like it it would be great, if they don't , no problem ;-) about Your Webpage don't shut it down, look over awhile maybe then there are a lot fans ;-) , TD didn't make after one nigth, but it took some time. Keep on Dreamin' Bert aka Phrozenlight my Homepage http://go.to/phrozenlight/ (still under construction) please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-) > my home-email phrozenlight@z... > > > > ---------- > From: Marcel Engels[SMTP:fsp@w...] > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 18:07 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: RE: [tadream] GFJM shutting down > > From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > From: Gustavo Jobim > > > > I just want to let you know that I'm shutting down my music page. My > > holidays are over, and I'll have almost no free time to make music or > > update the page. I decided to delete the tracks that were there, but the > > page will still be on, at least with the links. > > Why? > Why should the music be gone as you may have no free time? > I don't have much time either, but have no plans in shutting down mine. > > > The other thing that made me take this decision was the fact that > despite > > the many hits (120) in just eight days, I got almost zero > > feedback from you > > - and for me there's no reason to keep the site up if nobody gives me > any > > opinion about it (some people did comment - thank you). I'll continue to > > make my music, slower than before, but now it'll be just for my > > own enjoyment. > > 120 in 8 days...you're doing better then most of us. (probably because > it's > fresh etc)... > Don't let 'no opinions' change your opinion... > > Marcel > Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels > Email :fsp@w... > > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our homepage > (link above). > From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Feb 25, 2000 8:18 am Subject: Hey! :-) >Hey! I'm alive and at the same e-mail address (and still here)! My ISP >had some major problems with someone changing addresses! Anyway, I seem >to be receiving a few [tadream] e-mails daily so I hope all is back to >normal. Please try my home address and I'll reply as soon as I can. But >anyway I apologize to the friendly listeners that have to deal with my >cyberspace flat-tire. Maybe I was highjacked? Even my GoblinsClub >subscription was mysteriously deleted! Hmmm ;-) > >Vic Ah, good to see you again (though you were never gone). :-) I'm at work now so I can't post now, but will when I get home. Later! Marcel From: 'nicola cont' Date: Fri Feb 25, 2000 11:59 am Subject: My new TD homepage Hi people, my new Tangerine Dream homepage is ready at http://nicola.cont.it/td some arguments are still under construction but will be completed in few days. Please tell me if you have comments or advises at nicola@a... Thanks and .... good surfing !!! p.s The first page contains a flash file, please be patient (only the first time) until the Macromedia component will be installed on your PC. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Feb 25, 2000 6:01 pm Subject: NOT shutting down Hello folks. I've been doing some calculation and thinking about this, and I decided some things: 1. NOT shutting down 2. Updates only once or twice a month, due to lack of time 3. The tracks will be back 4. Guestbook Besides these, I have more or less a plan. The last two complete tracks I'll publish will be Cacophony part II and Aldebaran part II. Then I'll just publish excerpts of the next tracks, because I want in the future (maybe next year) to sell CDs with my music. The problem is that I'm still studying, so I don't have my own money or a bank account to make CD-Rs and distribute them around the world. I hope I get a job until 2001. You can visit http://gfjm.cjb.net, the new URL, just a shortcut to the Geocities site. There's a note there about this on the homepage. The next update will be during the first week of March. gfj p.s. Thank you very much for your support. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... GFJ-Music: http://gfjm.cjb.net From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sat Feb 26, 2000 2:47 am Subject: IRC chat on sorcery.net What's happened with the IRC chatroom on sorcery.net? There's hardly ever anyone there, even on Fridays! Flemming...? Gabe (currently there with Chad Vance and nobody else) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21020 Re: IRC chat on sorcery.net Airwave Sat 2/26/2000 2 KB 21029 Re: IRC chat on sorcery.net joe shoults Sun 2/27/2000 2 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Feb 26, 2000 10:15 am Subject: Discussion Week 24 - Sunday 27th February 2000 This week discussion brings us to 2 more soundtracks. Heartbreakers and Flashpoint. Please make your subject 'D:Soundtrack [Heartbreakers]' or 'D:Soundtrack [Flashpoint]' as appropriate. I've got about 10 reviews half typed up that I have yet to post as I've only been able to get online for about 5 minutes a week for the last month... so expect to see some dating back to Thief arriving shortly! :-) Regards, Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Airwave Date: Sat Feb 26, 2000 3:15 pm Subject: RE: IRC chat on sorcery.net Gabe wrote: > What's happened with the IRC chatroom on sorcery.net? > There's hardly ever anyone there, even on Fridays! A few regular people still make it there, but you're right the chat has been rather quiet lately. Many people have been travelling, visiting relatives, working and even been too sick to attend. Also the time difference between Europe and the US makes it difficult to meet at acceptable hours. After a hard days work I'm not too keen on sitting in front of my computer and chatting at 2-3am. Still we do need more people on the chat or maybe a new time schedule where we have a greater chance of meeting those people who actually do get there. On Friday nights 9pm - 2am (GMT) there are usually 3-5 people there. Same on Saturdays. If anyone has any suggestions to how we can increase the number of participants, or if you have a suggestion to a better chat time, I'm all ears. AIRWAVE. --------------------------------------------------------------- Life is a ride, like days on a train. Cities rush by, like ghosts in the night. The rythm of wheels tired fades away. Stations and journey, destination unknow. --Yello-- __ \ O /_ Flemming Larsen, airwave@1... \/ /_ \ http:// (in the works) \ ICQ #65014061 Visit the TaDeam Chat on IRC, SorceryNet, #tadream. Fridays and Saturdays 9pm-2am (GMT) (Usually ;-) Feel free to email me for details on how to access IRC. --------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Feldman Date: Sat Feb 26, 2000 2:37 pm Subject: International Version of Paypal? Hi, Does anyone recall what the international version of Paypal is? I want to join the HONG KONG SUPERSTARS club, but they accept payment only in Pounds Sterling. -- Steven Feldman -- unhumble webmaster for the Unofficial Karen Sheperd website; see http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/shepfilm.html From: 'David Foster' Date: Sat Feb 26, 2000 8:04 pm Subject: D:Soundtrack[Heartbreakers} TD have made some great soundtracks over the years. Hearbreakers is one of my favourites. Why? The pieces can stand as music in their own right. 'Hearbreakers' and 'Rain in N Y City' are not just short sounds to watch movies to. The pieces do not push musical boundaries of music like say the menacing sounds of Thru metamorphic rocks. The tracks are unashamedly romantic, just listen to 'Desire'. The soundtrack has solo lines that are melodic without being too sugary like the base melodies of the track 'Gemini' . Sure you don't want melodies all the time. Then you have got bouncy sounds like 'Thorny Affair'. Hearbreakers is a strange concept for TD. For me its like being in a New York cocktail bar on a date, hearing a live band playing something behind you, you recognise it but its in a different style to what you are used to. You look round and what do you see? ZZTop playing a sophisticated acoustic set in tuxedos! - I think Heartbreakers can be a bit out of place with some of TD's other sounds. So what if it is unusual. It works and I'm glad TD made it. Just the thing for a romantic night in. David fozdg@d... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sun Feb 27, 2000 4:16 pm Subject: Some Franke Questions (1) Supposedly the pre-release of Pacific Coast Highway had different versions of some of the songs. Are these versions the same as the 'remixes' that are on Enchanting Nature? (2) Is there a track listing for the McBain limited edition? - jim --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Kid's were different then. They didn't have their heads filled with all this Cartesian Dualism...' -- Michael Palin Jim Moore -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA -- E-mail: jimbo@v... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21025 Re: Some Franke Questions Robert Grabowsky Sun 2/27/2000 1 KB 21030 Re: Some Franke Questions Rainer Rutka Sun 2/27/2000 1 KB 21033 Re: Some Franke Questions Rudy Russo Mon 2/28/2000 2 KB 21034 Re: Some Franke Questions Tomas Rydqvist Mon 2/28/2000 3 KB 21035 Re: Some Franke Questions joe shoults Mon 2/28/2000 2 KB From: izyrp@o... Date: Sun Feb 27, 2000 4:52 pm Subject: Turn of the tides Hi there, I'm new to this list, so it's my first posting. Naturally, being over 30, I'm sometimes kind of stuck to 70's and 80's stuff. So I'm still struggling with some TD efforts from the 90's. Today I gave 1994's 'Turn of the tides' another try and sadly I must say I don't get this one. To say it in other words some tracks, for example most of the title track sound to me like bad muzak. I still wonder what the heck only Mr Froese wanted to prove or say with that album ? What was he thinking while preparing this ? Has anyone here some private opinions about 'Turn of the tides'? I'm I not relaxed enough this sunday? Still wondering, Zbig Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21026 Re: Turn of the tides Robert Grabowsky Sun 2/27/2000 2 KB 21027 Re: Turn of the tides izyrp@o... Sun 2/27/2000 3 KB 21031 Re: Turn of the tides Robert Grabowsky Sun 2/27/2000 1 KB 21032 Re: Turn of the tides Jared White Sun 2/27/2000 2 KB 21039 Re: Turn of the tides Nigbur D Mon 2/28/2000 3 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun Feb 27, 2000 5:25 pm Subject: Re: Some Franke Questions >(2) Is there a track listing for the McBain limited edition? No there is not. I just shows the following text on the disc: Tracks 1-15 Pre-release Not For Sale THE HIGHLANDER From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun Feb 27, 2000 5:27 pm Subject: Re: Turn of the tides Have you read the story that is in the booklet? THE HIGHLANDER At 05:52 PM 2/27/00 +0100, you wrote: >From: izyrp@o... > >Hi there, >I'm new to this list, so it's my first posting. >Naturally, being over 30, I'm sometimes kind of stuck to 70's and 80's >stuff. >So I'm still struggling with some TD efforts from the 90's. >Today I gave 1994's 'Turn of the tides' another try and sadly I must say >I don't get >this one. To say it in other words some tracks, for example most of the >title track >sound to me like bad muzak. I still wonder what the heck only Mr Froese >wanted >to prove or say with that album ? What was he thinking while preparing >this ? >Has anyone here some private opinions about 'Turn of the tides'? >I'm I not relaxed enough this sunday? > >Still wondering, >Zbig > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Shop the web for great deals. Save on Computers, >electronics, Home furnishings and more. >http://click.egroups.com/1/1559/2/_/24785/_/951670388/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: >https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net >Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our homepage (link above). > > From: izyrp@o... Date: Sun Feb 27, 2000 5:37 pm Subject: Re: Turn of the tides The story might be OK, but the music is not, in my view. It's fine reading booklets, but do you personally like the music on it? Mr.Zielinski Robert Grabowsky wrote: > From: Robert Grabowsky > > Have you read the story that is in the booklet? > > THE HIGHLANDER > > At 05:52 PM 2/27/00 +0100, you wrote: > >From: izyrp@o... > > > >Hi there, > >I'm new to this list, so it's my first posting. > >Naturally, being over 30, I'm sometimes kind of stuck to 70's and 80's > >stuff. > >So I'm still struggling with some TD efforts from the 90's. > >Today I gave 1994's 'Turn of the tides' another try and sadly I must say > >I don't get > >this one. To say it in other words some tracks, for example most of the > >title track > >sound to me like bad muzak. I still wonder what the heck only Mr Froese > >wanted > >to prove or say with that album ? What was he thinking while preparing > >this ? > >Has anyone here some private opinions about 'Turn of the tides'? > >I'm I not relaxed enough this sunday? > > > >Still wondering, > >Zbig > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Shop the web for great deals. Save on Computers, > >electronics, Home furnishings and more. > >http://click.egroups.com/1/1559/2/_/24785/_/951670388/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > >https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > >Website: http://www.tadream.net > >Visit our members' websites! 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From: 'joe shoults' Date: Sun Feb 27, 2000 6:09 pm Subject: OT RE: International Version of Paypal? paypal is not international yet, but the same company runs x.com, and I'm not sure if that is international or not. everytime I tried to log into x.com their server was malfunctioning. I have signed up to be notified when it goes international, and also asked if they will allow more referral fees for international referrals if you have already reached your $1000 limit at that point. They said that sounds reasonable and to contact them those circumstances apply. ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Feldman [mailto:ar402004@b...] > Does anyone recall what the international version of Paypal is? I > want to join the HONG KONG SUPERSTARS club, but they accept payment only > in Pounds Sterling. > From: 'joe shoults' Date: Sun Feb 27, 2000 6:25 pm Subject: RE: RE: IRC chat on sorcery.net FYI, FWIW, I will be implementing O'Reilly WebBoard software on tadream.net when it comes in (it is on order). This is a professional piece of software ($1799US!!) that allows the hosting of moderated chats, 1000-user IRC channel, threaded discussisons that post to the mailing list, and a host of other features. See more info at http://software.oreilly.com/. I'm not sure if we're getting the WebBoard 4.0 or Host Master package, but either will serve our needs. I'll post more info when I get it. joe > -----Original Message----- > > > What's happened with the IRC chatroom on sorcery.net? > > There's hardly ever anyone there, even on Fridays! > > A few regular people still make it there, but you're > right the chat has been rather quiet lately. Many people > have been travelling, visiting relatives, working and even > been too sick to attend. ... > If anyone has any suggestions to how we can increase > the number of participants, or if you have a suggestion > to a better chat time, I'm all ears. > From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Feb 27, 2000 8:17 pm Subject: Re: Some Franke Questions On Sun, 27 Feb 2000, Robert Grabowsky wrote: >>(2) Is there a track listing for the McBain limited edition? >No there is not. I just shows the following text on the disc: >Tracks 1-15 Pre-release Not For Sale The last track (15) is a new version of 'Brothers In Arms' including vocals. (Yes, the Dire Straits song). Rainer PS: In my Chris Franke section (1993) you'll see a picture of the promo-release. Click onto the thumbnail. --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun Feb 27, 2000 9:31 pm Subject: Re: Turn of the tides At 06:37 PM 2/27/00 +0100, you wrote: >From: izyrp@o... > >The story might be OK, but the music is not, in my view. >It's fine reading booklets, but do you personally like the music on it? >Mr.Zielinski Yes I did, however it has been awhile since I listened to it. THE HIGHLANDER np: Turn Of The Tides From: Jared White Date: Sun Feb 27, 2000 9:39 pm Subject: RE: Turn of the tides > From: izyrp@o... > > Hi there, > I'm new to this list, so it's my first posting. > Naturally, being over 30, I'm sometimes kind of stuck to 70's and 80's > stuff. > So I'm still struggling with some TD efforts from the 90's. > Today I gave 1994's 'Turn of the tides' another try and sadly > I must say > I don't get > this one. To say it in other words some tracks, for example > most of the > title track > sound to me like bad muzak. I still wonder what the heck only > Mr Froese > wanted > to prove or say with that album ? What was he thinking while preparing > this ? > Has anyone here some private opinions about 'Turn of the tides'? > I'm I not relaxed enough this sunday? Sorry to disagree, but Turn of the Tides is one of my favorite TD albums, of any genre, of any period, period! It was the first TD album I got that really convinced me I was a fanatical TD fan. I already had the Dream Sequence Virgin-era compilation, Optical Race, and Melrose at the time, but then I got Turn of the Tides, and I was, like, 'THESE GUYS ARE F***IN' UNBELIEVABLE!!!' Now my TD collection is around 30+ albums and growing, and I'm still as fanatical as ever. :) And, for the record, I not only think the title track is really cool, but I think the ending is simply brilliant. That's right, you heard right, folks. BRILLIANT!!! Anyway, though, welcome to the list, and I hope you have a great time here. But if you come back to me and say you don't like Goblin's Club or Mars Polaris, I'll flick a booger on your virtual windshield! :) Regards, Jared From: Rudy Russo Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 7:35 am Subject: Re: Some Franke Questions There';s a TD set on eBay I've never heard of, called 'Electronic Orgy'. anybody have this? comments? Rude --- Rainer Rutka wrote: > From: Rainer Rutka > > On Sun, 27 Feb 2000, Robert Grabowsky wrote: > > >>(2) Is there a track listing for the McBain > limited edition? > >No there is not. I just shows the following text on > the disc: > >Tracks 1-15 Pre-release Not For Sale > The last track (15) is a new version of 'Brothers In > Arms' including > vocals. (Yes, the Dire Straits song). > > Rainer > > PS: In my Chris Franke section (1993) you'll see a > picture of the > promo-release. Click onto the thumbnail. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > www.rutka.de/td > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - - - > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yes, I want Free PC long distance and a Free > 100-song MP3 CD! > Click here to get a FREE headset and a FREE CD while > supplies last. > http://click.egroups.com/1/1985/2/_/24785/_/951679604/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! > See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the > graphic on our homepage (link above). > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: Tomas Rydqvist Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 9:42 am Subject: Re: Some Franke Questions It's a 4 cd bootleg with rare trax , its exelent in my oppinion. Rudy Russo wrote: > From: Rudy Russo > > There';s a TD set on eBay I've never heard of, called > 'Electronic Orgy'. anybody have this? comments? > > Rude > > --- Rainer Rutka wrote: > > From: Rainer Rutka > > > > On Sun, 27 Feb 2000, Robert Grabowsky wrote: > > > > >>(2) Is there a track listing for the McBain > > limited edition? > > >No there is not. I just shows the following text on > > the disc: > > >Tracks 1-15 Pre-release Not For Sale > > The last track (15) is a new version of 'Brothers In > > Arms' including > > vocals. (Yes, the Dire Straits song). > > > > Rainer > > > > PS: In my Chris Franke section (1993) you'll see a > > picture of the > > promo-release. 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From: 'joe shoults' Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 10:06 am Subject: RE: Some Franke Questions Hi Rudy- Commonly referred to as 'EO', Electronic Orgy is a 4-cd set of rare tracks and stuff. Since it is a bootleg, and amongst us fans we trade copies of this (and other bootlegs), it seems kinda silly to actually pay somebody money for it. FYI: since TD members or TDI don't make any money on these bootlegs, it is generally regarded as being in particularly bad taste, and is illegal, to sell them for money. You will find plenty of people here willing to trade you for blanks or other boots. You can ask for people here on the list to contact you regarding trades, but we ask our subscribers to just pull those conversations off the list, since it is a private transaction, and not the business of the mailing list or other members. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Rudy Russo [mailto:rudy_russo@y...] > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 2:36 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Some Franke Questions > > > From: Rudy Russo > > There';s a TD set on eBay I've never heard of, called > 'Electronic Orgy'. anybody have this? comments? > > Rude > From: pw098@a... Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 10:56 am Subject: D:Soundtrack[Heartbreakers] Hi Gang, Its been a while since I weighed in with a review but since this is one of my favs, here is my two cents. I'll have to agree with David completely; its a sound track that is bouncy, romantic and melodic. Its not overly complex but it is much more than a throwaway pop album. Its also a soundtrack that has legs of its own. I have a tape, with Heartbreakers and Le Parc that always brings a smile to my face. I hope when Franke left 2 years later that he wasn't considering these two albums when he said they lost their creative edge. This is quite a departure from Poland and Tangram, and Schmoelling at still in rare form. -Bob Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21037 D:Soundtrack[Heartbreakers] Patrik . Mon 2/28/2000 1 KB From: 'Patrik .' Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 4:16 pm Subject: D:Soundtrack[Heartbreakers] Hi there people, Heartbreakers is a rare soundtrack in the sense that it´s very romantic and mellow... I think this is the result of a fruitful combination of Froese and Schmoelling. Melody and chords, chords and melody. Heartbreakers has to be taken seriously, I just dig it! I just listened to Poland this weekend a couple of times, and geez, they really push their gear to the limit! It´s an inventive and very creative piece of art. Btw, what other tracks did they play during this show? Regards Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: Airwave Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 2:21 pm Subject: Re:WebBoard (Off Topic) Joe Shoults wrote: > FYI, FWIW, I will be implementing O'Reilly WebBoard software on tadream.net > when it comes in (it is on order). This is a professional piece of software > ($1799US!!) that allows the hosting of moderated chats, 1000-user IRC > channel, threaded discussisons that post to the mailing list, and a host of > other features. WebBoard sounds really interesting. So I took it for a test run on their website. http://forums.oreilly.com/~wb4trial Well first impressions can be deceiving, but I didn't get too good a feel from the test forum. Perhabs because of the way it was setup. It didn't look or feel at all like IRC, and there was pretty much only room for 2-3 messages on screen on my 1024x768 browser window. In fact, it looked more like I was reading a Onelist digest with a few colors thrown in. Well a quick glance in the WebBoard features section did reveal that IRC style chatting is possible using eighter Browser, Java script or even the regular mIRC program. I guess it's a matter of how WebBoard is setup in the first place. Still, it left me with a feeling of it being a rather extravagant and expensive solution for a chatroom. Especially since IRC and ICQ are totally free, and fairly easy to use I might add. I hope WebBoard will be useful in other areas too or it will be an expensive aquistion if used just for a chat. --------------------------------------------------------------- The Big Bang. The ultimate hero of low frequency. The devine intergalactical bassdrum connecting the tribes of our solar systems. ---Yello--- __ \ O /_ Flemming Larsen, airwave@1... \/ /_ \ http:// (in the works) \ ICQ #65014061 Visit the TaDeam Chat on IRC, SorceryNet, #tadream. Fridays and Saturdays 9pm-2am (GMT) (Usually ;-) Feel free to email me for easy details on how to access IRC. --------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21047 Re: WebBoard (Off Topic) joe shoults Sat 2/26/2000 2 KB From: Nigbur D Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 1:55 pm Subject: RE: Turn of the tides 'turn of the tides' did take a while to grow on me after I had made the cardinal mistake of thinking that I could somehow predict what the album was going to be like - expecting either a continuation of the 'Rockoon' vein, or a return to more traditional forms familiar from the eighties. TotT is neither. In fact, it is quite unlike any other recording TD have EVER released, and this uniqueness in itself makes it inappropriate to just dismiss the whole thing out of hand. Listen to the album again in peace, pay attention to the polished, very 'broad' panoramic sound, the soundscaping of scenes in the booklet, the nimble guitar work, the effortless changes of pace, and the metallic but melodic feel of the chords. If you manage to divorce this album from Rockoon and Tyrannt of Beauty on the one hand and 80s or 70s TD on the other, you may find - like I did - that you actually quite like the album. If you don't like it, well, tou don't. But there are no objective reasons for calling it a 'Den of utter shit', as a certain on-line anagram generator suggested. Dennis > ---------- > From: izyrp@o...[SMTP:izyrp@o...] > Reply To: tadream@o... > Sent: 27 February 2000 16:52 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Turn of the tides > > From: izyrp@o... > > Hi there, > I'm new to this list, so it's my first posting. > Naturally, being over 30, I'm sometimes kind of stuck to 70's and 80's > stuff. > So I'm still struggling with some TD efforts from the 90's. > Today I gave 1994's 'Turn of the tides' another try and sadly I must say > I don't get > this one. To say it in other words some tracks, for example most of the > title track > sound to me like bad muzak. I still wonder what the heck only Mr Froese > wanted > to prove or say with that album ? What was he thinking while preparing > this ? > Has anyone here some private opinions about 'Turn of the tides'? > I'm I not relaxed enough this sunday? > > Still wondering, > Zbig > > > _____ > > > > _____ > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our homepage > (link above). > > From: Nigbur D Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 3:47 pm Subject: RE: Digest Number 397Yes, we all know what 'Warsaw in t he Sun' is about. All I meant by this is that Warsaw in the Sun is such an exquisite and catchy tune that the rest of the 'Barbakane' track often gets unjustly overlooked. I merely meant to say that the whole track in its entirety deserves our attention, not just the end bit. Dennis > ---------- > From: Daniel Hobrecht[SMTP:hobrecht@e...] > Reply To: tadream@o... > Sent: 21 February 1999 23:07 > To: tadream > Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 397Yes, we all know what 'Warsaw > in the Sun' is about. > > From: 'Daniel Hobrecht' > > I have Poland ( it is one of TDs best live cds, but please tell me what > 'we > all know what 'Warsaw in the Sun' is about?\ > > > Thanks > > > DPH > > -----Original Message----- > From: tadream@o... [mailto:tadream@o...] > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 3:28 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 397 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Promote Health & Earn Extra Income! Join the Rainbow Light Affiliate > Program. Sell leading brands of premium nutritionals. Earn 15% > commission + 33% on commissions of those you refer to us. > http://click.egroups.com/1/1634/2/_/24785/_/951042493/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our homepage > (link above). > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 23 messages in this issue. > > Topics in today's digest: > > 1. D:Studio [Hyperborea] > From: Armin Theissen > 2. Album Review : Metamorpheses - Jean Michel Jarre > From: craig.cordrey@g... > 3. peel session 1974 > From: jimaxel@h... > 4. PPG Wave to make a comeback > From: Airwave > 5. RE: D:Studio [Hyperborea] > From: Nigbur D > 6. RE: D:Live [Poland] > From: Nigbur D > 7. Re: PPG Wave to make a comeback > From: 'Jens Peschke' > 8. RE: D:Studio [Hyperborea] > From: 'Marcel Engels' > 9. Synergy Cords offer is spoken for > From: 'Craig Chambers' > 10. RE:Maybe I don't know exactly what wimpie is but it doesn't sound > too positive. > From: 'Whiteley, Steve' > 11. Re: Album Review : Metamorpheses - Jean Michel Jarre > From: Gustavo Jobim > 12. RE: RE:Maybe I don't know exactly what wimpie is but it doesn't > sound too positive. > From: 'Marcel Engels' > 13. Re: D:Live [Poland] > From: Richard Ford > 14. RE: D:Live [Poland] > From: 'Michael A Jean' > 15. RE: D:Live [Poland] > From: 'Michael A Jean' > 16. Re: 808 > From: Quarlie@a... > 17. Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea] > From: Vic Rek > 18. Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web site > From: Richard Ford > 19. Discussion Week 23 - Sunday 20th February 2000 > From: 'Lawry Simm' > 20. Song Of The Whale Pt1 midi file uploaded > From: Richard Ford > 21. Re: Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web site > From: Antonio Nunes > 22. RE: Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web site > From: Jared White > 23. Re: TR-808 > From: Chris Richards > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:33:21 GMT > From: Armin Theissen > Subject: D:Studio [Hyperborea] > > hI, > > haven't posted an album discussion here for ages. I was travelling for > quite a while and missed faves like Rubycon and Force Majeure. Hyperborea > urges me to write again. > > No Man's Land > > In contrast to most of you, I fell in love with this track at the very > beginning. It is freshly different from all the rest of TD. First of > all: it SWINGS. Jazz people here may know what I mean. And I like a > complete set of different sounds which feel eastern to me, without > the cheesiness of others who really try to copy asian/tibetian stuff. > The e-piano like solo sound is also unique in TD music. > To what other people said here: there is a lot of bass in the track, > very well and subtle used: the percussion, and that chime like sound > which also ends the whole track. Luckily the bass is not in the sequencer, > for we had this already so often... > so, those who miss the bass should check their HiFi system. Or if you > really > miss it, why don't you play along? > > Hyperborea > > others here said it all. It is very beautiful > > Cinnamon Road > > another one of the pop song approach. Nice, but I can live without it. > > Sphinx Lighting > > a major disappointment. Great start though: the lonely PPG (?) > 'twangggggg' > can't be played > loud enough, and with the gradual build up of the music during the first > five minutes we expect something to come... but nothing comes, except > somewhere in the middle or end a desperate attempt to give the thing some > meat (this is just a phrase, I'm vegetarian...). I hardly manage > to really *sit and listen* to this piece completly. > I'm urged to stand up, walk around, make some coffee etc... > > and a general last remark about whimpsy drums: true, I see why those > drums can be called whimpsy, but what's wrong with it? They are well > used as what they are and add to the style. Hey, thanks God not every > track sounds like the Miami Vice theme or whatever 80s drum molesting. > > Armin > > np: Stockhausen - Helicopter String Quartet > > Armin Theissen > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... > College Hill http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath > Armagh BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 028 3752 29 28 > N. Ireland Fax: (+44) 028 3752 71 74 > > o/ \o_ \ / __ __o |o \__/o | o____ > |__ __/ \__/o | / | / o\ / > | > / \ /o\ o| << | \o__/ Ouch!!! > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:37:41 +0000 (GMT) > From: craig.cordrey@g... > Subject: Album Review : Metamorpheses - Jean Michel Jarre > > Metamorpheses - Jean Michel Jarre > > This 12-track CD clocks in at 60 minutes and is supposed to be a major > departure for him. I haven't been keeping up with contemporary Jarre > releases > for a while - I did buy Oxygene 7-13 and have dipped into Chronologie a > few > years back, but am not a die-hard fan. As such, I can't really say how > this > relates to his more recent releases. > > Je me Souviens (04:24) > ---------------------- > The opener starts with a bass-line and choral effects before the beat > appears > to offer quite a stomping start. The female vocal is quite stark, > mentioning > objects in a pretty random way (to me) : The Voice, The Tree, The Goat, > The > Gate, The Flash, Je me Souviens (okay, the last bit's JMJ himself). I've > heard > better openers, but this is okay as an introduction to the album's style. > > C'est la Vie (07:10) > -------------------- > Moroccan / North African chanting seems to be flavour of the year : Sash, > Sting > and now JMJ are all getting into the act. I suppose this is the cliched > meeting > of east and west, with female chanting and middle-eastern-style > instruments > playing over a western beat and bassline. Cliches aside, though, this is a > great track. My version of the CD had a sticker saying 'Includes the hit > single > C'est la Vie'. Well, I'd never heard of it before, so it hasn't been much > of > a > hit. I guess that suggests the record company (and maybe JMJ) sees this as > one > of the stronger tracks and, in that respect, they are correct. > > Rendez-vous a Paris (04:18) > --------------------------- > Possibly the weakest track on the album, this suffers from a plodding > rhythm, > irritating French vocoder vocals, and too much violining courtesy of 'her' > from > The Corrs. I hope JMJ doesn't succumb to the temptation to release this > track > as a single to cash-in on the 'big-name' collaborator. For some reason, > the > first segment of this, before the violin kicks in, reminds me of the type > of > stuff that Enigma and Deep Forest produce. > > Hey Gagarin (06:21) > ------------------- > A long, slow and gradual build-up to the main 'funky' bit of this track > where > we have such great vocals as 'I can root, I can toot' (well, that's what > it > sounds like). This track suffers slightly in never quite deciding what > pace > it > should be at. In this repect it is reminiscent of some of Tangerine > Dream's > latest offerings which seem to cram too many ideas into one track. Only > average > in the fullness of the album. > > Millions of Stars (05:40) > ------------------------- > This is the best track on the album. A slow, 'typically Jarre' piece, IMO, > featuring simple, repeated chords, water-like effects and a beautiful, > relaxed > voice speaking combinations of letters and numbers (classifications of > stars, > perhaps) for the most part. There is a short 'chorus', talking about the > millions of stars, and an orchestral feel toward the end which is, IMO, a > little out of place. But, this is one hell of a beautiful track. > > Tout est Bleu (06:01) > --------------------- > What is it with the French just now? First it was Eiffel 65 telling us all > about his 'Blue' world, and now even Jarre agrees that 'Everything is > Blue'. > This is the second best track which has a wickedly catchy / foot-tapping > chorus > (even though it's in French) accompanied by more rather strange spoken > verses, > this time about the weather. There's a killer bridge in the middle which > is > devine. Just as Millions of Stars is an excellent slower track, this is > just > as > good for its style. > > Love Love Love (04:25) > ---------------------- > The opening minute of this sounds like mid-period Depeche Mode, by > subsequently > the vocoder vocals, rhythm and 'slant' of the vocals is reminiscent of > Air's > Moon Safari album. This has a more 'ethnic' beat and a more 'anglified' > sound > thanks to Laurie Anderson's spoken words. One of the better songs on the > album, > and not one that I would have spotted as a Jarre track. > > Bells (03:48) > ------------- > The Bells of the title form the main melody of the track, their tubular > sound > played above a bouncey rhythm and beat. There's another vocoder vocal here > that > alternately takes the lead with the bells. By the time this short track > finishes, it is just starting to get repetitive - good judgement by Mssr. > Jarre. > > Miss Moon (06:08) > ----------------- > A bit of a non-entity of a track, this one. The opening couple of minutes > sort > of meander their way to a short bridge before a continued ramble for > another > couple of minutes. No foot-tapping beat (although plenty of percussive > effects) > and no cathcy vocals to carry you along - only some wailing (I keep > waiting > for > the nashing of teeth). This vies with Rendezvous as the weakest track, and > probably gets the nod in retrospect if only because there's more of it to > suffer. > > Give me a Sign (03:49) > ---------------------- > A return to more familiar territory for this album - beat, vocoder and > catchy > bassline. For some reason, Mr. Middleton prefers this to Tout est Bleu, > despite > both (IMO) being good pop songs. Mr. Middleton did suggest that Tout est > Bleu > was 'too French' - not that he's xenophobic, of course! This features some > female sung vocals very reminiscent of Charlene Spitteri of Texas, so you > might > opt for this one if she does it for you. > > Gloria, Lonely Boy (05:32) > -------------------------- > A very industrial sounding piece, with clanking percussion and the > occassional > 'hammer hits the anvil' effect. This again has a touch of Air about it - > the > male vocoder makes a return and the 'Lonely Boy' aspect of the title is > very > close to 'Sexy Boy' in Moon Safari. An inoccuous enough piece, perhaps > running > just a shade too long, especially with one of those blasted orchestral > sections > toward the end. > > Silhouette (02:29) > ------------------ > A disappointing close to the album - a slow piece with much Moroccan-style > wailing, soothing chords, a gentle bassline and no rhythm to speak of. > > Overall, this is a pretty good album. The front-end far exceeds the > back-end - > I tend to get a little bored after Bells, but there's enough good material > in > here to recommend it to anyone who likes their e-music with a beat, > obscure/different vocals and who isn't put off by the French-ness of it > all. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... > Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 > Alenia Marconi Systems > Integrated Systems Division > Donibristle, Fife, Scotland > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 3 > Date: 18 Feb 2000 14:02:34 -0000 > From: jimaxel@h... > Subject: peel session 1974 > > td visited john peel's radio show in february 1974. > > four 'custom-taped' tracks were aired; > > -mysteriuous semblance... > -sequent c > -movements of a visionary > and > -phaedra > > supposedly, these were work-in-progress-versions, as the album wasn´t out > yet. > any differences from the ones endin up on the LP? > > anyone remember? > > regards > jim r > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:22:29 +0000 > From: Airwave > Subject: PPG Wave to make a comeback > > Hi folks. > > Apparently Steinberg and Waldorf are making the old PPG Wave sounds > available again. Knowledged fans will know that TD used the PPG Wave > entensively in the beginning of the 80s. > Looks like this will give us the chance of hearing the old TD sounds > for real now ;-) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Steinberg Announces PPG Wave 2.V Virtual Synth > > February 4, 2000 Steinberg today announced the PPG Wave 2.V virtual > reincarnation of a cult synthesizer for Mac and Windows VST systems. The > Wave 2 series was the first digital wavetable synthesizer with analog > filters, heralding a revolution in both sound and concept. The Wave's most > interesting feature was its ability to sweep through 64 waveforms in what > PPG called a wavetable. > Almost 2000 waveforms were available within the original Wave's 32 > internalwavetables. The result of this wavetable technology is that the > PPG > instrument has a much broader palette and more animated sound than typical > analog synthesizers of the early 80's, which tended to have only a few > static waveforms such as sawtooth, pulse, or triangle. ThePPG sound was > unique and identifiable. > Now Waldorf - the leader in wavetable synthesis - brings this exclusive > sound back to life with all the advantages a completely integrated > software > production environment that Cubase VST has to offer. The outputs appear > directly in the VST mixer, so effects and > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > More info can be found on www.harmony-central.com. > > AirWave. > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:34:28 -0000 > From: Nigbur D > Subject: RE: D:Studio [Hyperborea] > > This is just to say thank you for the many comments about my 'Impressions > of > Hyperborea' post. I can't wait now to play it once I get home and see if I > can warm to tracks 1, 3, and 4 a bit more now... > > Dennis > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:02:33 -0000 > From: Nigbur D > Subject: RE: D:Live [Poland] > > While we're in the swing of album reviews... > > on reflection (and as a disclaimer to everything I'm going to > say), > I have to say that Poland is my favourite Live album, although Logos comes > a > close second. What I love about this album is the combination of very > quiet > and minimalist melodic tunes and positively majestic rock/orchestral > parts. > > POLAND - > Probably the most varied track on the album, and one I never grow > tired of. I especially like the way the synth lead finally takes off after > the chords, beat, and background have been gradually set up. To me, this > seems like the perfect compromise between order and chaos, and I just > don't > know how they did it. Although I haven't got a clue about ethnic music in > general, the sounds and harmonies in this part actually do seem to have a > slavic quality to them - probably just combined habituation and > imagination, > though. The final part is just beautiful, and reminds me a bit of Exit. > One question about this: I always wonder whether the sampled voice > used as a rhythm segment actually says anything meaningful? > > TANGENT - > In contrast to the subtly crafted 'Poland', this is quite clearly > a > track of three discrete movements: The melodic introduction, the > swirly-hesitant middle part and the dance tune at the end. Having said > that, > all three of them are well excecuted and in the right place. This track > seems to fit in particularly well with the setting of the icy cold concert > hall in Warsaw with windstorms outside and a snow cover of several feet on > the roof. It just invokes a wintery image to me. Very atmospheric. > > BARBAKANE - > Yes, we all know what 'Warsaw in the Sun' is about. What is a pity > is that this great tune tends to divert the attention of a lot of > listeners > away from the rest of this track, which I find equally as beautiful. I > like > the slightly off-beat and off-tune intro, which sounds so peaceful and > melodic that any other group would have had no qualms about just leaving > it > there and wrapping up the track. But TD elaborate on this intro, and the > calm and gradual transition to the exquisite 'Warsaw in the Sun' is a > beauty > in itself. > > HORIZON - > I can never quite decide whether I find this track gloomy or > forward-looking (the same, incidentally, goes for the first part of > 'Tangent'). In comparison with the preceding tracks, this one seems the > most > dense, and the most intense to listen to. The big problem with writing a > review of this is that it tends to leave me so mesmerised that it's hard > to > be analytic about it. Suffice to say that the main theme still sends > shivers > down my spine. > > RARE BIRD - > Quite simply the best encore I can imagine... > > Writing this review, it occurs to me that it is very hard to try > to > put my fascination with this record into words. It seems to be tapping > structures, harmonies, rhythms and emotions quite unlike anything else > I've > heard, TD or otherwise. Maybe it is the combination of simple, melodic > segments with complex and loud phrases, maybe it's the experimentation > with > order and chaos, but maybe it's something completely different. I'm > looking > forward to reading everyone else's ideas about this album. > > Dennis > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:38:16 +0100 > From: 'Jens Peschke' > Subject: Re: PPG Wave to make a comeback > > > Hi folks. > > > > Apparently Steinberg and Waldorf are making the old PPG Wave sounds > > available again. > > Actually this is old news. Waldorf, the direct PPG follower, > came up with wave table synth based on enhanced PPG technology a while > ago: > > The Waldorf Wave and the MicroWave (95) a while ago and the MicroWave2 > and XT more recently based on Motorola DSP's. > There's also a Microwave PC card with a DSP around which can be combined > with the Terratec EWS 64 XL board. > > It's new that they put the algorhythms on new platforms which was > basically > a question of time especially for the intel camp. They haven't got enough > power. > > However, one can do a lot more than reproducing the PPG sounds > with the mentioned Waldorf gear. Not too sure about the VST plug-in. > > Best Regards > > Jens > > PS: Kubusschnitt will use Waldorf gear live at their gig at Jodrell > Bank/UK. > ;-) > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:15:53 +0100 > From: 'Marcel Engels' > Subject: RE: D:Studio [Hyperborea] > > > From: Quarlie@a... > > > about 808: > > It just sounds weak, and not particularly drum-like, to me. Oh > > well, to each > > his own. > > It certainly doesn't sound drum-like...thats why I like it :-) > But weak? It's got the best bass drums imo which go very very deep. > > > I look forward to it. :) Maybe I'll get Poland next. > > You HAVE to! :-) > > Marcel > Music-page : http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels > Email :fsp@w... > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:33:24 -0500 > From: 'Craig Chambers' > Subject: Synergy Cords offer is spoken for > > Sorry to those that responded and didn't make it...Oscar Dean is the lucky > recipient. > > Craig > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:58:03 -0800 > From: 'Whiteley, Steve' > Subject: RE:Maybe I don't know exactly what wimpie is but it doesn't sound > too positive. > > Hey Marcel, > > A wimp would be someone afraid to fight for themselves. The guy safest for > the school bully to pick on. > > Your new CD Pointless Reminders is not wimpy, I like it much more than > your > first CD-R. I listened to Pointless Reminder on headphones for my first > listening. Wow, some of the track beginnings were almost disorienting. The > sequence building created an intense feeling of awe and respect. > > Thanks, > Steve > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:55:45 -0300 > From: Gustavo Jobim > Subject: Re: Album Review : Metamorpheses - Jean Michel Jarre > > >From: craig.cordrey@g... > > > >Metamorpheses - Jean Michel Jarre > >Millions of Stars (05:40) > >------------------------- > >This is the best track on the album. A slow, 'typically Jarre' piece, > IMO, > >featuring simple, repeated chords, water-like effects and a beautiful, > relaxed > >voice speaking combinations of letters and numbers (classifications of > stars, > >perhaps) for the most part. There is a short 'chorus', talking about the > >millions of stars, and an orchestral feel toward the end which is, IMO, a > >little out of place. But, this is one hell of a beautiful track. > > Hey Craig, very interesting review. > > I just wanted to add that the letters and numbers said at Millions of > Stars > are the notes which are played at the same time. I mean, when he says D6 > he > plays D6. > > Gustavo F. Jobim > gustavfj@m... > GFJMusic: http://www.geocities.com/gustavfj > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:16:43 +0100 > From: 'Marcel Engels' > Subject: RE: RE:Maybe I don't know exactly what wimpie is but it doesn't > sound too positive. > > > Subject: [tadream] RE:Maybe I don't know exactly what wimpie is but it > > Great subject! :-) > > > Your new CD Pointless Reminders is not wimpy, I like it much more > > than your > > first CD-R. I listened to Pointless Reminder on headphones for my first > > listening. Wow, some of the track beginnings were almost disorienting. > The > > sequence building created an intense feeling of awe and respect. > > Thanks Steve! > It's great to see/read you like it. > Hope to release '.....' (not the real title) this year! > > Later! > Marcel > Music-page : http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels > Email :fsp@w... > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:17:30 +0000 > From: Richard Ford > Subject: Re: D:Live [Poland] > > > BARBAKANE - > > Yes, we all know what 'Warsaw in the Sun' is about. > > I must be missing something here. Could someone let me into the secret? > -- > Richard Ford > > http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:28:42 -0600 > From: 'Michael A Jean' > Subject: RE: D:Live [Poland] > > It was a 12' single with non-album remixes... I will accept reasonable > offers for my copy... > > MJ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard Ford [mailto:richard@z...] > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 1:18 PM > > To: tadream@o... > > Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [Poland] > > > > > > From: Richard Ford > > > > > BARBAKANE - > > > Yes, we all know what 'Warsaw in the Sun' is about. > > > > I must be missing something here. Could someone let me into the secret? > > -- > > Richard Ford > > > http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards > Points, no hidden fees, and much more. Get NextCard today and get the > credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! 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I will accept reasonable > offers for my copy... > > MJ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard Ford [mailto:richard@z...] > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 1:18 PM > > To: tadream@o... > > Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [Poland] > > > > > > From: Richard Ford > > > > > BARBAKANE - > > > Yes, we all know what 'Warsaw in the Sun' is about. > > > > I must be missing something here. Could someone let me into the secret? > > -- > > Richard Ford > > > http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards > Points, no hidden fees, and much more. Get NextCard today and get the > credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our homepage > (link above). > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 16 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:58:45 EST > From: Quarlie@a... > Subject: Re: 808 > > In a message dated 2/18/00 12:14:58 PM, fsp@w... writes: > > >It certainly doesn't sound drum-like...thats why I like it :-) > > Actually, I should have said it differently. I don't mind when a drum > machine > sounds unrealistic or electronic; it's just that to me the 808 doesn't > convey > any sense of impact. I don't find it very percussive, if that's possible. > > >But weak? It's got the best bass drums imo which go very very deep. > > Maybe I'm just not hearing it used properly. To me, the 808 kick drum has > always sounded like nothing so much as someone tapping a water cooler. > > But, of course, it's just my opinion (and not a very well educated one). > > --Daniel > NP: Empirion--Advanced Technology > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:37:03 -0500 > From: Vic Rek > Subject: Re: D:Studio [Hyperborea] > > > No Man's Land > > > > In contrast to most of you, I fell in love with this track at the very > > beginning. It is freshly different from all the rest of TD. First of > > all: it SWINGS. > > I first bought Hyperborea in Canada on a trip and when I first played it > I thought I had rediscovered TD on that snowy January night. My friend > and I listened to it at least 3 times non-stop, but we programmed the CD > player to skip Cinnamon Road (after the first play). CR is a track I > just flat out do not enjoy - sorry. > > > Hyperborea > > others here said it all. It is very beautiful > > I agree! > > > Cinnamon Road > > > > another one of the pop song approach. Nice, but I can live without it. > > Why do so many fans like this? I can live without it too. > > > Sphinx Lighting > > a major disappointment. Great start though: the lonely PPG > > Yes, I like this but have mixed feelings every time I listen to it. Vic > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 08:39:24 +0000 > From: Richard Ford > Subject: Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web site > > Hi all > > Just a quick note to let those who are interested. I have finally > started to uploaded excerpts of some of my TD covers in mp3 to my web > site. Also, has anyone downloaded any of the demos I put on my Timeleaf > project page? > > I would love any / all comments on all of my recordings. > > Note: > I am just listening to what I encoded 'late' last night, and the results > are not as clean as I would have licked. I am rapidly going off mp3. the > quality loss is quite noticeable (or I'm doing something wrong). Answers > on an email please. > -- > Richard Ford > > http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 19 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 10:45:03 -0000 > From: 'Lawry Simm' > Subject: Discussion Week 23 - Sunday 20th February 2000 > > This weeks discussion brings us to the soundtrack to the film > FIRESTARTER. Please make your subject read 'D:Soundtrack > [Firestarter]' when posting comments and reviews. > > Regards, > Lawry > > lawrysimm@u... > ICQ # 23267226 > Instant Messenger - lawrysimm > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 20 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:41:19 +0000 > From: Richard Ford > Subject: Song Of The Whale Pt1 midi file uploaded > > Hi all again > > Just a quick note to say that I've just uploaded a midi file of 'Song Of > The Whale Pt1' to the TD midi file section of my site. > > > Again, if there is anyone out there that is already collecting these > files on a site somewhere, please let me know. If not, does anyone have > any I don't have so that we can keep a collection of them in one place. > > > Any ideas (good or not) please contact me. > -- > Richard Ford > > http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 21 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 17:05:46 +0000 > From: Antonio Nunes > Subject: Re: Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web site > > > > Richard Ford wrote: > > > Just a quick note to let those who are interested. I have finally > > started to uploaded excerpts of some of my TD covers in mp3 to my web > > site. Also, has anyone downloaded any of the demos I put on my Timeleaf > > project page? > > > > I would love any / all comments on all of my recordings. > > > I've just downloaded your TD covers excerpts, and wow! they are great. > I'm looking forward to hearing the complete tracks. I will download the > Timeleaf excerpts later. > > Congratulations and keep up the good work! > > Antonio > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 22 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:55:39 -0800 > From: Jared White > Subject: RE: Covers of TD tracks finally loaded to web site > > > From: Richard Ford > > > > Hi all > > > > Just a quick note to let those who are interested. I have finally > > started to uploaded excerpts of some of my TD covers in mp3 to my web > > site. Also, has anyone downloaded any of the demos I put on > > my Timeleaf > > project page? > > > > I would love any / all comments on all of my recordings. > > EXCELLENT! I've sampled a couple of the Poland excerpts you've done, > plus Dream1 from your Timeleaf project, and I must say that it's all > very professional, very rich-sounding -- and I really love Dream1's > atmosphere and classical nature. Keep it up -- all of it! There are few > TD covers I've heard that really do anything for me, so I appreciate > yours very much! > > > Note: > > I am just listening to what I encoded 'late' last night, and > > the results > > are not as clean as I would have licked. I am rapidly going > > off mp3. the > > quality loss is quite noticeable (or I'm doing something > > wrong). Answers > > on an email please. > > 128Kbps MP3s suck. Anyone who tells you they're 'CD-quality', or even > near-CD quality, has problems with their ears. 192Kbps MP3s are > tolerable, but still obviously inferior to the original CD-quality > signal. What MP3 encoder are you using, BTW? That has a lot to do with > it. If you're encoding 128Kbps MP3s with one of those free encoder > algorithms floating around, you're going to get horrible (and slow) > results. I highly recommend AudioCatalyst, by Xing Technologies > (www.xingtech.com). You can't get much better than that. > > Anyway, good luck with your music, and I hope to hear many more great > things in the future! > > Regards, > > Jared > > __________________________________________ > Jared White E-mail: jwhite@g... > > GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com > The Digital Fine Art Gallery: > http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery > > Distant Oaks (Celtic Music Ensemble): > http://www.distantoaks.com > > Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite > > Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > Message: 23 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:38:25 -0800 (PST) > From: Chris Richards > Subject: Re: TR-808 > > I think the TR-808 has it's place in music > history. Wasn't a lot of the synth oriented music > done during the early 80's using a 808? Yeah, > maybe it doesn't sound like an ACOUSTIC drumset, > but neither did the Simmons kits that EVERY > flippin' band out of England had to have back > around 83-85!!!! > > Anyway, wasn't it an 808 on Freur's Doot Doot??? > I seem to recall someone telling me that's what > the rhythm track on the first 3/4's of that song > was done on. > > NP: John Coltrane 'Greensleeves' (The Complete > Africa/Brass Sessions) > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > Death Before Dishonour > Dishonour Before Disco > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > ___ > > > > > _____ > > > Get YOUR Music Online! > Get YOUR Music Online! > _____ > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our homepage > (link above). > > From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 4:16 pm Subject: RE: Dröm rötter Thanks Craig for the help with Dream Encores. Now on to another question: Could anyone help me with the previously unrealeased tracks on Dream Roots. Help me how?? Well, by selling them to me separately in one way or another. I am certainly open to suggestions. I have by now five TD collections, some of them bought on mail-order not knowing they were collections. I cannot possibly force myself to cough up the money for a 5 disc compilation, especially now that the price of gasoline is frighteningly close to the magical 10-Swedish Crowns- limit (about 1.20 USD). Per liter that is. I know I could sell the car but that's not a very appealing option. Merciful replies off-list are most welcome. Ajöken! /Olle From: 'Todd Tornow' Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 4:55 pm Subject: Re: Turn of the Tides I am kinda stuck in the '70s as well. Keep looking in the 1990's. There is still a lot of stuff in there that (I am sure) catch your attention. There are big fans of TotT and there are those who classify it as 'OK'. Try Rockoon or Mars Polaris. Others, with other perspectives, will give you other ideas. There is a wide range of opinions on this list regarding each piece and era of TD music. The mix of opinion give a WONDERFUL overall perspective of each era and piece of music. Keep looking in the 1990's and I am sure that you will find something that you will like. From what I have seen, there is quite a variety of stuff, all of it fairly good to fantastic. Some might even become classics in time. Todd Tornow >Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:52:17 +0100 > From: izyrp@o... >Subject: Turn of the tides > >Hi there, >I'm new to this list, so it's my first posting. >Naturally, being over 30, I'm sometimes kind of stuck to 70's and 80's >stuff. >So I'm still struggling with some TD efforts from the 90's. >Today I gave 1994's 'Turn of the tides' another try and sadly I must say >I don't get >this one. To say it in other words some tracks, for example most of the >title track >sound to me like bad muzak. I still wonder what the heck only Mr Froese >wanted >to prove or say with that album ? What was he thinking while preparing >this ? >Has anyone here some private opinions about 'Turn of the tides'? >I'm I not relaxed enough this sunday? > >Still wondering, >Zbig ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21057 Re: Turn of the Tides Szatmari, Pal Tue 2/29/2000 2 KB 30148 Turn of the Tides Scott Fri 11/16/2001 2 KB 30149 Re: Turn of the Tides tom807@a... Fri 11/16/2001 2 KB 30150 Re: Turn of the Tides rubyconist@y... Sat 11/17/2001 2 KB 30179 Re: Turn of the Tides Armin Theissen Mon 11/19/2001 2 KB 30151 Re: Turn of the Tides Dennis Nigbur Sat 11/17/2001 3 KB 30165 Re: Turn of the Tides gmroger@p... Sun 11/18/2001 2 KB 30267 Re: Turn of the Tides vic rek Tue 11/27/2001 2 KB 30268 GC, TOB, Zeit Re: [tadream] Re: Turn of the Tides Gustavo Jobim Tue 11/27/2001 3 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 5:08 pm Subject: Emusic #3 Hello, Emusic #3 is now online, including TD news items (for example an update on TDs albums for 2000). Check out Emusic at www.itsahit.com/emusic or http://w3.to/_emusic all the best, glenn From: Bennett Cookson Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 6:19 pm Subject: OT: I may be in Paris I may be able to travel to Paris this summer on business. I have never been to Europe before so I have a few questions for my friends across the ocean. What are he best sites to see in Paris? Where is a good CD store in Paris for buying those hard to find European releases from TD, etc. (like the new Zoo release from J.S.) How hard is it to travel from Paris to Berlin? If I make it to Berlin, can I just drop in and see the TD studio or something? What TD related places can I visit? --Bennett np: Poland - just bought new Castle remaster [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21046 Re: OT: I may be in Paris Jens Peschke Mon 2/28/2000 2 KB From: Tomas Rydqvist Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 6:47 pm Subject: Rätikon!! Hi folks! Is there anyone who can help me get my hands on rätikon?? Trade or sell, contact me 'offline' Thanks From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 6:42 pm Subject: Re: OT: I may be in Paris > From: Bennett Cookson > What are he best sites to see in Paris? Loads of sites. Paris is a lovely, lovely place. If only it won't be in France. ;-) You need buying a cheap travel guide. > Where is a good CD store in Paris for buying those hard to find European > releases from TD, etc. (like the new Zoo release from J.S.) The have a Virgin Megastore prety in the middle of the city with a huge EM section (at least the löast time I've checked). Remember, TD and Schulze were and are quite popular in France. By far more popular than in Germany. > How hard is it to travel from Paris to Berlin? Easy, if you fly (90 minutes or so). By train it's a bit harder and not much cheaper, I'm afraid. You might can try one of those cheap omnibusses. Damn cheap but it'll take a long, long time. So book a flight, I'd say. You might get a really cheap one ahead of time. Hope this helps Jens From: 'joe shoults' Date: Sat Feb 26, 2000 7:08 am Subject: RE: Re:WebBoard (Off Topic) frankly, I haven't explored in depth yet. we have to buy it anyway because we need it for another project, but I can use it on more than one site. ultimately, I can use it or not, but the main things I want to investigate are the possibilities of hosting moderated chats (for interviews), and a discussion board interface to generate mails to the list. With a board interface, you can either view messages in their threaded format, like a newsgroup, or the way we're used to, via e-mail. I don't expect backwards-compatibility from e-mail-to-board, only board-to-e-mail. peter, please reply with correct link to your web discussion board; I need to correct my link to it on tadream.net. joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Airwave [mailto:airwave@1...] ... > Joe Shoults wrote: > > > FYI, FWIW, I will be implementing O'Reilly WebBoard software on > tadream.net > > when it comes in (it is on order). This is a professional > piece of software > > ($1799US!!) that allows the hosting of moderated chats, 1000-user IRC > > channel, threaded discussisons that post to the mailing list, > and a host of > > other features. > > WebBoard sounds really interesting. So I took it for a test run on their > website. http://forums.oreilly.com/~wb4trial > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 2:08 am Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Dröm rötter Alot of the pieces are redone..It is a good set to have... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: olle.rundgren@s... [mailto:olle.rundgren@s...] > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 10:16 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] RE: Dröm rötter > > > From: olle.rundgren@s... > > Thanks Craig for the help with Dream Encores. > Now on to another question: > > Could anyone help me with the previously unrealeased tracks on > Dream Roots. > Help me how?? > Well, by selling them to me separately in one way or another. I > am certainly > open to suggestions. > I have by now five TD collections, some of them bought on mail-order not > knowing they were collections. I cannot possibly force myself to cough up > the money for a 5 disc compilation, especially now that the price of > gasoline is frighteningly close to the magical 10-Swedish Crowns- limit > (about 1.20 USD). Per liter that is. > I know I could sell the car but that's not a very appealing option. > > Merciful replies off-list are most welcome. > > Ajöken! > /Olle > > > Ain't technology great? now you can e-mail money! See how at: > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com. > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > Visit our members' websites! Click around on the graphic on our > homepage (link above). > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 3:36 am Subject: Semi-OT: Beaubourg Hello dreamers! I rented Mr.V's Beaubourg. Since the first time I saw the album I was curious about it, because of the cover and of the use of 2 side-long tracks (thing that Vangelis wasn't doing at that time). I heard some opinions about it - someone said it was only noise. My curiosity increased, and finally I got it. It's the Vangelis Pink-Years-album. You know - very similar to what TD was doing from 1970 to 1973. It's an almost silent album, very close to not having any melody. Just a bunch of sounds that sometimes remind me of Comas Sola, the first part, and the desolation of Alpha Centauri (the track). I'm now playing Part II, and suddenly a nervous sequence started and then suddenly stopped, and the following sounds again very Atem-like. I don't say Electronic Meditation-similar because I still didn't hear all of it. Well, if you like the space music, this is great, I'm sure. If you prefer to avoid some weird experimental-or-similar music, that's not the album to get. I give it 10/10, because it's a very interesting album but just for someone who likes this kind of music. Anyway, it's worth a try, if you can borrow it from someone or rent it, like I did. At least it's not boresome as most of the Pink music (at least, for my taste.) - It gives you that exploration feel, it can make you hear it even if you're not exactly enjoying the part of the music you're hearing, to at least see what's going to happen. Sometimes Beaubourg gives you good surprises. It's something to hear when you're saturated with forcesmajeures and stratosfears and oxygenequinoxes. And one last note: although it is very similar in style to the Pink TD, it's not as gloomy. I wonder what was the point of this album, if any, and what did Mr.V want to do, if he was trying to do anything. that's it for now, regards, p.s. The very last 2 minutes have a closing melody, strongly remembering Sequent C'. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... GFJ-Music: http://gfjm.cjb.net From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 3:58 am Subject: Goblins Club first impression Hello dreamers! Yesterday I rented GC, and I made a CD-R of it. Yeah, it's illegal, but I'm sorry, TD CDs (and JMJ, and KW, and MO, and, and, and.....) down here are way too expensive, so I try to get CDs the cheapest possible. About GC, my first impression was: where is the point? I mean, it's almost like the first impression I had about Lily on the Beach, a bunch of related tracks but seemingly with no... concept. The difference is that I liked most of the tracks on Lily on the Beach - specially THFMC (yeah, I like it), 29 Palms, Valley of the Kings (favourite of LOTB and a 90s favourite - I always considered LOTB a 90s album), Crystal Curfew, Desert Drive, and others I don't remember now. But I didn't have any reaction about most of the GC tracks - neither disliking nor liking them. The only exception so far is Evening Star. Let's see if I change my opinion about GC in the next listenings. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... GFJ-Music: http://gfjm.cjb.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21062 Re: Goblins Club first impression Jared White Tue 2/29/2000 3 KB 21083 Re: Goblins Club first impression Nigbur D Wed 3/1/2000 3 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 3:21 am Subject: Electronic Orgy on Ebay At 11:35 PM 2/27/00 -0800, you wrote: >From: Rudy Russo > >There';s a TD set on eBay I've never heard of, called >'Electronic Orgy'. anybody have this? comments? > >Rude Save your money and call Dave Minton he owns Minette Music. He still has a couple of copies for $80. 1-505-882-4830 Electronic Orgy is one of the BEST boots for the rare TD. Definitly worth buying. I have been dealing with Dave for many years, so there is no need to worry. THE HIGHLANDER From: Steven Feldman Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 3:39 am Subject: PERU - THE PROPHECIES review from Groove Unlimited mailing list To: Mailing-List: list Groove_Unlimited@o...; contact Groove_Unlimited-owner@o... Delivered-To: mailing list Groove_Unlimited@o... Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:57:21 +0100 X-eGroups-From: Groove Unlimited Subject: [Groove] E-News 184 (Feb 26 2000) From: Groove Unlimited [. . .] - - - - - - - - - - r e v i e w s - - - - - - - - - - The opinions given in the reviews are those of the writers and do not have to be the opinions of Groove Unlimited. (We welcome reviews) PERU - THE PROPHECIES (RED BULLET) Peru has traditionally been referred to as Holland's equivalent to Tangerine Dream, yet this project is more than a departure from that analogy. Ambient dance textures so well produced they would embarrass a host of artists in the popular 'ambient' realm dominate the album. The concept of the album lies in dark, sometimes cryptic and Biblical prophecies that form a thought-provoking and memorable collage. Take in Peru's last studio album, an episode of the Fox/Ten Thirteen (The X-Files) show 'Millennium' and consider the possible-futures. (c) 1999 Sound Design [. . .] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 5:20 am Subject: Warsaw Well, what is Warsaw in the Sun exactly about? Is it the last part of Barbakane? BTW, my Barbakane is only 13 minutes long, is the Extracts version. The complete Poland album version is almost 20 minutes long, right? Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... GFJ-Music: http://gfjm.cjb.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21064 Re: Warsaw Gabe Yedid Tue 2/29/2000 1 KB 21099 Re: Warsaw James Owens Thu 3/2/2000 2 KB 28572 Re: Warsaw gmroger@p... Mon 8/20/2001 3 KB 28673 Re: Warsaw Jorge Figueiredo Thu 8/23/2001 3 KB 28699 Re: Warsaw Victor Rek Fri 8/24/2001 3 KB 28764 Re: Warsaw vic rek Sat 8/25/2001 3 KB 28818 Re: Warsaw Jorge Figueiredo Mon 8/27/2001 2 KB 28819 Re: Warsaw Piotr'Millennium' Mon 8/27/2001 2 KB 28846 Re: Warsaw gmroger@p... Thu 8/30/2001 2 KB From: Joel Mullen Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 6:13 am Subject: Joel Mullen's trade/sales list Klaus- Here is my trade/sales list I thought you might be interested, it is pretty complete. There may be some incoming items not represented, but for the most part this is it. Some of the rarer promos and singles are only available for trade against other rare promos and singles. Let me know if you have any questions. Thank you! Regards, Joel Tangerine Dream and Solo Members CDs ********************************************************************** Ashra - Live in Japan CD Germany Think Progressive TPCD 1.807.026 Baumann - Romance '76 CD Austria Virgin CDV 2069 Franke - London Concert CD USA Sonic Images SID-6508 Franke - Tenchi Muyo in Love (digi-pak) (sealed) CD USA Pioneer PICD-1001A Froese - Kamikazie 1989 CD U.K. Virgin CDV2255 Haslinger - Score CD USA RGB Records RGB506-2 Hoenig - Xcept One CD USA Capitol CDP 7 46919 2 Joliffe - The Japanese Way CD Great Britain KPM Music TIM 2 CD Schmoelling - Weivend Reit CD W. Germany Erdenklang IRS 971.160 Schulze - The Dome Event CD Holland Venture CDVE918 0777 7 87013 2 3 Schulze - Conquest of Paradise CD-5 Germany ZYX Music ZYX 7481-8 T.D. - 20th Century Serenades -black text / gold disc CD bootleg Nordiska Musiken T.D. - 220 Volt CD USA Miramar MPCD 2084 T.D. - 69 - 73 Analogue Space Years (double) CD USA Purple Pyramid CLP 0227-2 T.D. - Atem CD USA Relativity 88561-8071-2 T.D. - Atem - remastered CD USA Sequel 1035-2 T.D. - Atlantic Bridges CD EU TDI CD002 (ALPHA distribution) T.D. - Atlantic Walls CD EU TDI CD003 (ALPHA distribution) T.D. - Best of the Blue Years CD England Castle CCS CD 824 T.D. - Cyclone (Spcl Art) CD USA Griffin GCD-246-2 T.D. - Dream Sequence (double) CD Holland Virgin 0777 7 86726 2 3 CDTD1 T.D. - Encore - SBM remastered CD U.K. Virgin 7243 8 39443 23 TAND 1 T.D. - Encore - SBM remastered CD USA Virgin America 7243 8 39443 2 3 T.D. - Exit CD USA Elektra 557-2 T.D. - Firestarter CD USA Varese Sarabande VSD 5251 T.D. - Flashpoint CD USA One Way Records S21-18507 T.D. - Force Majeure (Spcl Art) CD USA CEMA GCD-350-2 T.D. - Hyperborea (light scratches, insert damaged) CD England Virgin 2292 T.D. - Lily on the Beach CD USA Private Music 2057-2-P T.D. - Live Miles CD Austria Jive/Zomba CHIP 62 (dist BMG U.K.) T.D. - Logos - SBM remastered CD USA Virgin America 7243 8 39445 2 1 T.D. - Melrose CD USA Private Music 2078-2-P T.D. - Mystery Tracks - purple text / orange disc CD bootleg Flash 1 T.D. - Oasis CD EU TDI007CD T.D. - Oasis + 1 CD USA Miramar 09006-23099-2 T.D. - Optical Race CD USA Private Music 2042-2-P T.D. - Optical Race (die-cut cover) CD USA Private Music 2042-2-P T.D. - Pergamon (1980) - remastered CD USA Sequel 1047-2 T.D. - Phaedra - SBM remastered CD U.K. Virgin 7243 8 40062 28 TAND 5 T.D. - Phaedra (missing front insert) CD USA Virgin/BMG CDV 2010 T.D. - Poland - Extracts (B/W cover) CD Austria Jive CHIP 22 T.D. - Poland - remastered CD England Castle ESM CD 365 T.D. - Ricochet - SBM remastered CD U.K. Virgin 7243 8 40064 26 TAND 7 T.D. - Risky Business Audio Movie Kit (double) CD bootleg BCP5/6-1998 T.D. - Rockoon CD USA Miramar MPCD 2802 T.D. - Rubycon CD USA Virgin America 0777 7 86091 2 4 T.D. - Rubycon - SBM remastered CD Italy Virgin 7243 8 40063 27 TAND 6 T.D. - Rumpelstiltskin-(long box w/poster) CD USA KID RHINO R2 70458 T.D. - Shy People CD U.K. Silva FILMCD 027 T.D. - Shy People CD W. Germany Edel 2504-2 T.D. - Sonambulistic Imagery (double) CD bootleg BM 5/6 T.D. - Stratosfear CD USA Virgin America 0777 7 86092 2 3 T.D. - Stratosfear CD USA Virgin America 7 91010-2 T.D. - Tangram - SBM remastered CD USA Caroline 1805-2 T.D. - Tangram - SBM remastered CD U.K. Virgin 7243 8 40263 25 TAND 11 T.D. - The Collection CD France Castle CCSCD 161 T.D. - The Park is Mine CD France Silva FILMCD 080 T.D. - Thief CD W. Germany Virgin CDV 2198 / 253 472-217 T.D. - Thief-Remastered CD Holland Virgin 7243 8 40520 2 7 TAND 12 T.D. - Three O'Clock High CD USA Varese Sarabande VCD 47307 T.D. - Turn of the Tides CD USA Miramar MPCD 2806 T.D. - Tyger+1 CD USA Relativity 88561-1055-2 T.D. - Tyranny of Beauty CD USA Miramar 09006-23046-2 T.D. - Tyranny of Beauty (w/bonus track) CD U.K. AMP-CD 027 T.D. - Zeit - remastered CD USA Sequel 1034-2 Tangerine Dream CD singles and CD promos ********************************************************************** (some of these are only available for special trades) T.D. - A Time for Heroes (Spcl Olympics) CD-5 USA Orpheum ORP-060187-D T.D. - Alexander Square (long version) CD-5 Germany Hansa 662 892 T.D. - Limited World Tour Edition 1997 (LE #2067/5000) (sealed) CD-5 Austria TDI 005CD T.D. - Midwinter Night-promo CD-5 U.K.? 892323 2 T.D. - Optical Race (Mothers of Rain, SunGate, Ghazal) - promo CD-5 Germany Private Music 662 083 T.D. - Oranges Don't Dance - promo CD-5 U.K. Private Music 663 747 T.D. - Quinoa (Fan Club Edition) CD-5 Germany VOLT 0001 CD T.D. - Rockoon (interview single) CD-5 USA Miramar MPCD 2803 T.D. - Shepherd's Bush (LE#1269/2000) CD-5 ?? TDI 006CD T.D. - Tangents - promo compilation (green disc) CD U.K.? DPRO-14221 T.D. - Toward the Evening Star (Radio Edit)(Promo) CD-5 USA Sequel PROS 3-2 T.D. - Towards the Evening Star (Orb re-mix single) (digi) CD-5 England Castle WHENX1022 T.D. - Turn of Tides (single) CD-5 USA Miramar MPCD 2807 T.D. - Tyranny of Beauty - promo (Quasar) CD-5 USA Miramar 09006-23046 Tangerine Dream and Solo Members Misc LP,DVD,VHS ********************************************************************** Schulze - Body Love 1 (LP VG+) LP W. Germany Metronome Records 60.047 T.D. - Luminoous Visions (DVD only) DVD Sony Music LVD 49484 T.D. - Heartbreakers VHS Orion VA 5065 T.D. - Legend (sealed) VHS MCA Universal 80193 T.D. - Luminous Visions VHS Sony LV 49924 T.D. - Near Dark VHS HBO Video 0023 T.D. - Rainbow Drive VHS Vidmark VM 5321 T.D. - Rumpelstiltskin VHS Rabbit Ears UNI REV 10269 T.D. - The Keep VHS Paramount VHS 1563 T.D. - The Man Inside VHS RCA 75113 T.D. - Wavelength VHS Embassy 4018 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21055 Re: Joel Mullen's trade/sales list Joel Mullen Tue 2/29/2000 1 KB From: Joel Mullen Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 6:18 am Subject: RE: Joel Mullen's trade/sales list Whoops, that was not supposed to go to the entire list, but now that it did I suppose that is O.K. too. I had ment to just send it out to a few key people for now, so just be aware that some of the rare items are not for sale, just for trade. Sorry for the bandwidth. Joel From: 'Poulton, Larry' Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 11:51 am Subject: TD soundalikes I'm a couple of weeks behind here. But, having listened to some old vinyl last night, had to send this. I have two LPs of a group called Neuronium; 'Digital Dreams' and 'Chromium Echoes'. These were released in the early 80s and the TD influence is indisputable. They use mainly Korg monophonic/polyphonic synths - and proudly display gear listings as well as photos on the inner sleeve!! Having listened again last night, after several years on the shelf, they really are very good. They do have an individual style. The use of sequencers and chord work is reminiscent of Rubycon/Stratosfear/Ricochet. So if you are stuck on 70s TD, like me, - these are for you. I'm sure they are still around - search of the web required here. If you get the chance check them out....... 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ID Date Size 21059 Re: TD soundalikes Nick Adams Tue 2/29/2000 2 KB 21060 Re: TD soundalikes Phil White Tue 2/29/2000 2 KB 21061 Re: TD soundalikes Marcel Engels Tue 2/29/2000 1 KB 21063 Re: TD soundalikes Sean Montgomery Tue 2/29/2000 2 KB 21065 Re: TD soundalikes Marcel Engels Tue 2/29/2000 2 KB 21066 Re: TD soundalikes Sean Montgomery Tue 2/29/2000 1 KB 21067 Re: TD soundalikes Marcel Engels Tue 2/29/2000 2 KB 21068 Re: TD soundalikes Antonio Nunes Tue 2/29/2000 1 KB 21070 Re: TD soundalikes Herod, Galen (NBC) Tue 2/29/2000 3 KB From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 12:26 pm Subject: Re: Turn of the Tides When I bought TotT, I was on a trip to Budapest. Riding on (a real) train :)) back home, I had time to read the extracts of Edgar's story included in the booklet. I found that it was in the style of Stephen King's tales (especially his Dark Tower series). Quite strange but entertaining. The only problem was that it was so 'compact'. I would like to read it as a book. I could hardly wait to get home and listen to the album. When I finally did so, I was very happy with it and I am to this very day. The tracks not only match the scenes of the story, but I find them very enjoyable on their own merit. I don't know why but TofT remeinds me of the 'jazz rock' stuff I used to listen to in the 80s (Metheny, Sczirensky etc.). The guitars are cool. The synth sounds reflect the mood of the tale and I find the tracks exciting. Of course it is ALL very different from Logos or Force Majeure but that is the beauty of it :)) np. GWoC Szatmari, Pal (koronzon@e...) ENG-HU translator Nador utca 18., Nyiregyhaza, 4400 Hungary Tel.: +36 20 9757 480 / +36 42 462 114 Fax.: +36 42 462 114 / +36 42 402 369 ICQ# 62226828 From: jowers Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 1:30 pm Subject: Artwork question What happened to the web site that had scans of live TD shows? Kevin kvjowers@i... From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 4:09 pm Subject: Re: TD soundalikes > From: 'Poulton, Larry' > > I have two LPs of a group called Neuronium; 'Digital Dreams' and 'Chromium > Echoes'. These were released in the early 80s and the TD influence is > indisputable. They use mainly Korg monophonic/polyphonic synths - and > proudly display gear listings as well as photos on the inner sleeve!! > Having listened again last night, after several years on the shelf, they > really are very good. Agreed they are both very good, my favorite is the LP Quasar2C361, the side long piece has some real great sequencing imo....as does the track ''flying over KaiTak'' from DD, real great stonking stuff, it's a pity they don't produce the same kind of music these days though,........... hmmm that sounds a bit familiar ;-) Nick Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: 'Phil White' Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 4:18 pm Subject: Re: TD soundalikes From: Phil White Re: Neuronium discovered by Larry Poulton Maybe you could check out the other 26 album releases by Neuronium and the numerous releases by Michel Huygen ( who is Neuronium ). Some are good,one or two are excellent and a few crap IMO. I particularly like Digital Dreams which certainly 'sounds like' Tangerine Dream and Jean Michel Jarre with the distinctive Neuronium sound. Michel also has a somewhat bizzare website which is very graphics intesive and includes music while you browse along with the ability to order stuff direct from the man himself.....! www.neuronium.com Well worth at least one visit and you may like what you see and hear. I don't think myself that he is a T.Dream sound-alike but what do other synth fans feel about this ? ATB Phil W. From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 5:36 pm Subject: RE: TD soundalikes > From: Phil White > > I don't think myself that he is a T.Dream sound-alike but what do other > synth fans feel about this ? No, I don't think Neuronium is a TD sound-alike either. It's got a very own sound...and I like it very much. (up untill Carlos left). Then Michel somehow 'discovered' new age and then I left... Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: Jared White Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 5:55 pm Subject: RE: Goblins Club first impression > From: Gustavo Jobim > > Hello dreamers! > About GC, my first impression was: where is the point? I > mean, it's almost > like the first impression I had about Lily on the Beach, a > bunch of related > tracks but seemingly with no... concept. The difference is > that I liked > most of the tracks on Lily on the Beach - specially THFMC > (yeah, I like > it), 29 Palms, Valley of the Kings (favourite of LOTB and a > 90s favourite - > I always considered LOTB a 90s album), Crystal Curfew, Desert > Drive, and > others I don't remember now. But I didn't have any reaction > about most of > the GC tracks - neither disliking nor liking them. The only > exception so > far is Evening Star. > Let's see if I change my opinion about GC in the next listenings. You know, if you had simply simply substituted Tyranny of Beauty for Goblin's Club, I would have agreed with you totally. That's the one 90's album that I just don't get. It doesn't do anything for me personally, except parts of a couple tracks. But Goblin's Club? Woowee, don't get me started. That's probably one of the top 10, no, top 5, no, top 3, no...(!) TD albums of all time in my book. If I wrote a couple days ago that I loved Turn of the Tides, well, I'm CRAZY about Goblin's Club. I've listened to it so many times that I'm rather sick of it right at the moment, but, if this tells you anything, I'm using a combination of Goblin's Club and Mars Polaris for my Windows sound scheme. The harp part of Rising Haul in Silence is my New Mail sound. :) Well, I know Goblin's Club seems to be one of those albums you either get or you don't. Some here get it, some don't. All I know is this: you've just got to get Oasis and Mars Polaris, along with DM I and II for the most cutting-edge, true EM-style TD of the decade. Get Oasis and Mars Polaris. Get Oasis and Mars Polaris. Get Oasis and Mars Polaris. (Start chanting with me, folks!) get o~a~.... It's tough you have such a hard time getting good, inexpensive copies of TD albums down there. Can't you get a good deal ordering online somewhere? Can't Amazon.com or other 'big' names ship to you down there? Anyway, good luck, and I hope you eventually warm up to GC a bit. At least you like the first track, 'Evening Star' -- mmm, my favorite!!! Regards, Jared From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 5:47 pm Subject: RE: TD soundalikes While we're on this subject...has anyone else (other than Michael Jean!) picked up William Orbit's 'Pieces in a Modern Style'? On it, Orbit adapts classical music for modern instrumentation...ambient classical, if you will. Overall it's okay, not great...I'd rather just hear the pieces performed by a real orchestra. But two tracks make the album worthy of mention here: first, the Ferry Corsten remix of 'Barber's Adiago for Strings', which simply kicks ass. This is the perfect marriage of Edgar's classical leanings and Jerome's techno sensibility that TD has yet to achieve. And Orbit's version of Satie's 'Ogive Number 1' is just lovely, and I daresay it would please fans of Baumann-era TD. It has a warm, Mellotron-esque feel to it, but avoids sounding like a throwback. I'm curious whether the release of this album (which comes with big label backing and publicity, thanks to Orbit's affiliation with Madonna) will change TD's plans for Starship Trooper...perhaps inspire them to do something really interesting instead of just playing Mozart with electronic string and harpsichord sounds. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Gabe Yedid Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 6:12 pm Subject: Re: Warsaw On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Gustavo Jobim wrote: > From: Gustavo Jobim > > Well, what is Warsaw in the Sun exactly about? Is it the last part of > Barbakane? Actually, it's the more pop-sounding middle section. > BTW, my Barbakane is only 13 minutes long, is the Extracts version. The > complete Poland album version is almost 20 minutes long, right? Not sure if it's quite that long, but yes, the closing section of 'Barbakane' was removed on the Castle re-release. Interestingly, the opening section of this piece was, to the best of my knowledge, never actually played on that tour. It seems to be another one of the infamous studio additions. > Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... Gabe From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 6:44 pm Subject: RE: RE: TD soundalikes > From: Sean Montgomery > > While we're on this subject...has anyone else (other than Michael Jean!) > picked up William Orbit's 'Pieces in a Modern Style'? On it, Orbit adapts > classical music for modern instrumentation...ambient classical, if you > will. Overall it's okay, not great...I'd rather just hear the > pieces performed by a real orchestra. But two tracks make the album > worthy of mention here: first, the Ferry Corsten remix of 'Barber's Adiago > for Strings', which simply kicks ass. This is the perfect marriage of > Edgar's classical leanings and Jerome's techno sensibility that TD has > yet to achieve. And Orbit's version of Satie's 'Ogive Number 1' is just > lovely, and I daresay it would please fans of Baumann-era TD. It has a > warm, Mellotron-esque feel to it, but avoids sounding like a throwback. Is it the 1995 version or the new version, because on the 1995 there isn't a Ferry Corsten remix. Ime (in my ears) TD can only dream of doing such a track. Ogive is great with a very nice phaser-like effect. I like Tomita's version of Pavane better then Orbits though. (too bad he doesn't do tracks like that anymore or does he?) All in all a very nice CD. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 6:37 pm Subject: RE: RE: TD soundalikes > Is it the 1995 version or the new version, because on the 1995 there isn't > a Ferry Corsten remix. Ah, so are you one of the lucky few who got to hear the original release of 'Pieces of a Modern Style?' I'm referring to the version that was just released last week...the North American release has the Ferry Corsten mix attached as a bonus CD single. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 7:15 pm Subject: RE: RE: TD soundalikes > From: Sean Montgomery > > Ah, so are you one of the lucky few who got to hear the original release > of 'Pieces of a Modern Style?' I'm referring to the version that was just > released last week...the North American release has the Ferry Corsten mix > attached as a bonus CD single. Sadly not the original one...but a CDR copy of it with the booklet. And I bought the CD single before it. Here's the tracklisting from the '95 version: 1. Adagio - Samuel Barber 9:32 2. Ogive - Erik Satie 6:45 3. Cantus - Arvo Part 8:50 4. Pavane - Maurice Ravel 7:09 5. Fratres - Arvo Part 11:13 6. Piece in the Old Style - Henryk Gorecki 5:00 7. Piece in the Old Style - Henryk Gorecki 5:50 Wonder if it is the same... Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 7:19 pm Subject: Re: TD soundalikes 'Poulton, Larry' wrote: > > I have two LPs of a group called Neuronium; 'Digital Dreams' and 'Chromium > Echoes'. These were released in the early 80s and the TD influence is > indisputable. > > I'm sure they are still around - search of the web required here. The CD version of 'Digital Dream' is called 'The New Digital Dream'. The booklet says 'Digitally re-mastered by Michel Huygen'. I think the word 're-mastered' here doesn't mean 'tangentized' ;-) Antonio Nunes np: Neuronium - The New Digital Dream From: 'koulos_' Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 7:13 pm Subject: warsaw questions first of all hiz from greece once more greetings to all of you that i speak at the #tadream chat now the questions i just got my poland lp copy for 10 us $ and i am wondering what the price for this pl version is among traders secondly the bootlegs from this show are how many? thirdly looking at the pics inside the disk i sow this guys having a ' TDfan club ' thing [dont know the english world but those of you with the lp version know what i am talking about] are anyone of those guys in this list ?......my greetings to them too [what happened to the 'thing 'they carried ?] thats from me at this point n.p. spiritualized live at royal albert hall[cd 2] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Herod, Galen (NBC)' Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 7:37 pm Subject: RE: RE: TD soundalikes It's not the same. Fratres is definitely not on there. I don't think either Arvo Part cut made it. But there is 'in a Landscape' by John Cage. Now I want a copy of the 95 version. Galen > ---------- > From: Marcel Engels > Reply To: tadream@o... > Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 11:15 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: TD soundalikes > > From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > From: Sean Montgomery > > > > Ah, so are you one of the lucky few who got to hear the original release > > of 'Pieces of a Modern Style?' I'm referring to the version that was > just > > released last week...the North American release has the Ferry Corsten > mix > > attached as a bonus CD single. > > Sadly not the original one...but a CDR copy of it with the booklet. > And I bought the CD single before it. > Here's the tracklisting from the '95 version: > > 1. Adagio - Samuel Barber 9:32 > 2. Ogive - Erik Satie 6:45 > 3. Cantus - Arvo Part 8:50 > 4. Pavane - Maurice Ravel 7:09 > 5. Fratres - Arvo Part 11:13 > 6. Piece in the Old Style - Henryk Gorecki 5:00 > 7. Piece in the Old Style - Henryk Gorecki 5:50 > > Wonder if it is the same... > > Marcel > Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels > Email :fsp@w... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Female Musicians at MP3.com! > Free, fresh, and fun! > http://click.egroups.com/1/1990/2/_/24785/_/951851501/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. From: Kees Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 8:54 pm Subject: Orbit was TD soundalikes At 12:47 29-2-00 -0500, you wrote: >From: Sean Montgomery > > > >While we're on this subject...has anyone else (other than Michael Jean!) >picked up William Orbit's 'Pieces in a Modern Style'? On it, Orbit adapts >classical music for modern instrumentation...ambient classical, if you >will. Overall it's okay, not great... Hi, I listened to it and didn't like it a lot. For this kind of music I prefer early Tomita. But the bonus single was great. For a track listing and cover picture go to: http://www.groove.nl/cd/50980.html All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: Kees Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 8:56 pm Subject: Re: TD soundalikes At 19:19 29-2-00 +0000, you wrote: >From: Antonio Nunes > > > >'Poulton, Larry' wrote: > > > > I have two LPs of a group called Neuronium; 'Digital Dreams' and 'Chromium > > Echoes'. These were released in the early 80s and the TD influence is > > indisputable. > > > > I'm sure they are still around - search of the web required here. > > >The CD version of 'Digital Dream' is called 'The New Digital Dream'. The >booklet says 'Digitally re-mastered by Michel Huygen'. I think the word >'re-mastered' here doesn't mean 'tangentized' ;-) > >Antonio Nunes > >np: Neuronium - The New Digital Dream My favorite still is The New Visitor :-) It's a strange affair... And I agree with Marcel. His early work is far more superior. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 2:23 am Subject: ORBIT Pieces in a Modern Style I picked up the new one (and have always wanted to hear the old one but could never find it)... The new one has 11 tracks not including the 2 on the cd single... The piece thats missing is the one by Arvo Part and probably the key reason the old one was pulled off the shelves. I like the remixes, but my favorite piece is Cavalleria Rusticana by Mascagni... Has anyone heard the two new Orbit-produced songs on the new Madonna S/T cd? I was also wondering what effect if any it may have on the upcoming TD release (Sean and I must be on the same wavelength today)... MJ NP: Paul Sauvanet TRISTESSE (another electronic classic work) > > > Is it the 1995 version or the new version, because on the 1995 > there isn't > > a Ferry Corsten remix. > > Ah, so are you one of the lucky few who got to hear the original release > of 'Pieces of a Modern Style?' I'm referring to the version that was just > released last week...the North American release has the Ferry Corsten mix > attached as a bonus CD single. > > > > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > From: 'Frank' Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 8:16 am Subject: Gather Darkness I just heard a sample of Arcane's 'Gather Darkness' CD and was impressed. Do any of you have this CD and do you know where besides Groove Unlimited where I can get it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 6:34 am Subject: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) Whew!! Two postings in one week. I really must have a lie down. Todd says: << Keep looking in the 1990's. There is still a lot of stuff in there that (I am sure) catch your attention. There are big fans of TotT and there are those who classify it as 'OK'. Try Rockoon or Mars Polaris. Others, with other perspectives, will give you other ideas. >> Eh??? Rockoon??? I might try Rockoon _if_ I was totally tired of life, but I usually get better results from any Leonard Cohen album. You're kidding, aren't you? Don't you want to keep your friends? ;-) Cheers, Steve. np: Rockoon - to see if it's really as bad as I remember it. If you don't hear from me within 24 hours, then please call an ambulance!! ============ STEVE YENSEN =============== Home: syensen@i... http://www.innotts.co.uk/~syensen/ (the internet in nottingham) Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... (Siemens Communications) See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 9:29 am Subject: Re: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) >From: 'Yensen, Stephen' >np: Rockoon - to see if it's really as bad as I remember it. If you don't >hear from me within 24 hours, then please call an ambulance!! It is! I try this too - get it out every year or so to see if I've 'got it' yet and very quickly regret it. They shortly followed with my other least favourite - Tyranny of Beauty. Two albums that did nothing for me in the space of 4 years - luckily they hadn't done it before and haven't one it since! NP : Argos 1982 -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21077 Re: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) Heiko Heerssen Wed 3/1/2000 1 KB 21079 Re: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) craig.cordrey@g... Wed 3/1/2000 2 KB 21080 Re: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) Heiko Heerssen Wed 3/1/2000 1 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 9:59 am Subject: Re: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) craig.cordrey@g... wrote: > It is! I try this too - get it out every year or so to see if I've 'got it' yet > and very quickly regret it. I like 'Rockoon'! (oh my god, where's my asbestos suit!!??) > They shortly followed with my other least favourite Tyranny of Beauty. Yep, I have to agree here with you. This is my least fave TD album, closely followed by 'Tournado'. > NP : Argos 1982 a wise decision ;-) Heiko n.p.: nothing! my boss just popped in and I had to stop listening to 'Great Wall of China' on my Discman....life can be cruel :-( From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 9:56 am Subject: RE: Rockoon was Turn of the tides: an alternative (not !) IMO Rockoon is not the best but neither the weakest album of TD. I still put it in my cdplayer, it was refreshing after a period of poor albums starting with Tiger . After Tiger I quit buying/collecting albums of TD. Until Rockoon came out. I feel in love with TD again and since Rockoon my love for them grow with every album.;-) I was happy again. I even begin to like Tiger :-) Keep on Dreamin' Bert aka Phrozenlight my Homepage http://go.to/phrozenlight/ (still under construction) please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-) > my home-email phrozenlight@z... > > > > > ---------- > From: Heiko Heerssen[SMTP:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 10:59 > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) > > From: Heiko Heerssen > > > > craig.cordrey@g... wrote: > > > It is! I try this too - get it out every year or so to see if I've 'got > it' yet > > and very quickly regret it. > > I like 'Rockoon'! (oh my god, where's my asbestos suit!!??) > > > They shortly followed with my other least favourite Tyranny of Beauty. > > Yep, I have to agree here with you. This is my least fave TD album, > closely > followed by 'Tournado'. > > > NP : Argos 1982 > > a wise decision ;-) > > Heiko > n.p.: nothing! my boss just popped in and I had to stop listening to > 'Great Wall of > China' on my Discman....life can be cruel :-( > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/911/2/_/24785/_/951903992/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 10:27 am Subject: Re: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) >From: Heiko Heerssen > >I like 'Rockoon'! (oh my god, where's my asbestos suit!!??) > My good friend Heiko, my respect for you as a TD afficienado has been dented! 8-) >n.p.: nothing! my boss just popped in and I had to stop listening to 'Great Wall of >China' on my Discman....life can be cruel :-( Hoping to grab this (the disc, not your boss) at the RMI/UtD gig at Jodrell bank a week on Saturday. Will probably have to withstand some slagging from those around me as I do so - TD seem to be moving toward the type of reception you get when you buy a Barry Manilow record (something I haven't done for _many_ years). NP : The Harlequin, The Robot and the Ballet-Dancer (Sven Vath) -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 10:50 am Subject: Re: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) craig.cordrey@g... wrote: > >I like 'Rockoon'! (oh my god, where's my asbestos suit!!??) > > > > My good friend Heiko, my respect for you as a TD afficienado has been dented! > 8-) Nobody's perfect! > Will probably have to withstand some slagging from those around me as I do so - > TD seem to be moving toward the type of reception you get when you buy a Barry > Manilow record (something I haven't done for _many_ years). Edgar Froese.....the Barry Manilow of electronic music? ;-) > NP : The Harlequin, The Robot and the Ballet-Dancer (Sven Vath) A Scotsman with taste! From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 10:44 am Subject: Edgar Froese ... the Barry Manilow of Electronic Music >From: Heiko Heerssen > >Edgar Froese.....the Barry Manilow of electronic music? ;-) All together now ... 'I write the songs that make the young girls cry, I write the songs with Tron's 'n' special things' and 'His name is Edgar, he is a showman, With ribbons in his hair, and a dress way down to there' -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'nicola cont' Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 12:26 pm Subject: TD MARKET Hi guys, if you haven't visited my new TD homepage, make it please. There is a new section 'The TD Market', where you can sell, buy or trade all your TD items. http://nicola.cont.it/TD regards Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21085 Re: TD MARKET Michael A Jean Wed 3/1/2000 2 KB 21086 Re: TD MARKET Heiko Heerssen Wed 3/1/2000 1 KB From: Nigbur D Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 12:56 pm Subject: RE: Goblins Club first impression > From: Gustavo Jobim > > About GC, my first impression was: where is the point? I mean, it's almost > like the first impression I had about Lily on the Beach, a bunch of > related > tracks but seemingly with no... concept. The > The point about LotB was precisely that it was supposed to be an impressionist work with a series of short images and a minimum of dovetailing between them. I agree with you in that I find it rather appealing in its own strange way. I don't think it is in the same vein as GC, though, which clearly does have a structure and a certain degree of stylistic overlap between the pieces. I also agree, though, that the structure of the album doesn't really emerge during the first listening. The reason for that might be that 'Towards the Evening Star' is pretty much a single-type composition, and 'At Darwin's Motel' still appears to me to be slightly inconsistent with the general style of the album even now. From the third track onwards, though, the general mood of the album really starts to flow. > others I don't remember now. But I didn't have any reaction about most of > the GC tracks - neither disliking nor liking them. The only exception so > far is Evening Star. > Let's see if I change my opinion about GC in the next listenings. > You probably will. If anything, 'Evening Star' is my least favourite track on the album now, precisely because it stands more or less on its own and therefore loses some of its appeal after the umpteenth time of playing. The other tracks aren't as impressive on their own, but function remarkably well as a unit. Accordingly, my favourites among them tend to change, but at the moment, I'd say that 'United Goblins' Parade' is the one. When had you last heard a melodic lead guitar from TD before that? Dennis From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 12:50 pm Subject: Looking for 2 list members De-cloak mode.... Anyone know if Glyn Morton (Ireland)and Hilmar Kraft (Germany) are still on the list/alive and well or even lurking in netland? I can't seem to locate either of them. Regards, Conrad Gibbons On Yahoo Messenger: TangFanIRL On ICQ (work): TangFanIRL (ICQ No. 43129005) On ICQ (home): TangfanIRL@h... (ICQ No. 58943015) (if you request authorisation for both, you should rename one of the ids to prevent you accidently sending a message to the wrong place!) From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 1:35 pm Subject: RE: TD MARKET cool! > -----Original Message----- > From: nicola cont [mailto:nicola@a...] > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 6:26 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] TD MARKET > > > From: 'nicola cont' > > Hi guys, > if you haven't visited my new TD homepage, make it please. > There is a new section 'The TD Market', where you can sell, buy or > trade all your TD items. > > http://nicola.cont.it/TD > > regards > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Why wait for a credit decision? Get one instantly! Apply for > the Capital One 9.9% Fixed APR Visa Platinum! > http://click.egroups.com/1/1895/2/_/24785/_/951913567/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 1:51 pm Subject: Re: TD MARKET > From: 'Michael A Jean' > > cool! yes it is. I find the 'TD Market' section a brilliant idea (you can find me under the 'who trades' section, btw!) Nicola seems to be a really nice chap (although he has just outbid me on the 'A time for heroes' single at eBay....grrr... ;-) Heiko From: Airwave Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 5:55 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze news d. 01/03/2000 10:37 skrev tadream@o... på tadream@o...: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FREE ADVICE FROM REAL PEOPLE! 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RE: RE: TD soundalikes > From: 'Marcel Engels' > 11. RE: RE: TD soundalikes > From: Sean Montgomery > 12. RE: RE: TD soundalikes > From: 'Marcel Engels' > 13. Re: TD soundalikes > From: Antonio Nunes > 14. warsaw questions > From: 'koulos_' > 15. RE: RE: TD soundalikes > From: 'Herod, Galen (NBC)' > 16. Orbit was TD soundalikes > From: Kees > 17. Re: TD soundalikes > From: Kees > 18. ORBIT Pieces in a Modern Style > From: 'Michael A Jean' > 19. Gather Darkness > From: 'Frank' > 20. Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) > From: 'Yensen, Stephen' > 21. Re: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) > From: craig.cordrey@g... > 22. Re: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) > From: Heiko Heerssen > 23. RE: Rockoon was Turn of the tides: an alternative (not !) > From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... > 24. Re: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) > From: craig.cordrey@g... > 25. Re: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) > From: Heiko Heerssen > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:51:19 +0100 > From: 'Poulton, Larry' > Subject: TD soundalikes > > > I'm a couple of weeks behind here. But, having listened to some old vinyl > last night, had to send this. > > I have two LPs of a group called Neuronium; 'Digital Dreams' and 'Chromium > Echoes'. These were released in the early 80s and the TD influence is > indisputable. They use mainly Korg monophonic/polyphonic synths - and > proudly display gear listings as well as photos on the inner sleeve!! > > Having listened again last night, after several years on the shelf, they > really are very good. They do have an individual style. The use of > sequencers and chord work is reminiscent of Rubycon/Stratosfear/Ricochet. So > if you are stuck on 70s TD, like me, - these are for you. > > I'm sure they are still around - search of the web required here. > > If you get the chance check them out....... > > Larry > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of > the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also be > privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not > copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any > form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please > e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > A list of the partners of Norton Rose, Solicitors, can be inspected at > www.nortonrose.com > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:26:56 +0100 > From: 'Szatmari, Pal' > Subject: Re: Turn of the Tides > > When I bought TotT, I was on a trip to Budapest. Riding on (a real) train > :)) back home, I had time to read the extracts of Edgar's story included in > the booklet. I found that it was in the style of Stephen King's tales > (especially his Dark Tower series). Quite strange but entertaining. The only > problem was that it was so 'compact'. I would like to read it as a book. I > could hardly wait to get home and listen to the album. When I finally did > so, I was very happy with it and I am to this very day. The tracks not only > match the scenes of the story, but I find them very enjoyable on their own > merit. I don't know why but TofT remeinds me of the 'jazz rock' stuff I used > to listen to in the 80s (Metheny, Sczirensky etc.). The guitars are cool. > The synth sounds reflect the mood of the tale and I find the tracks > exciting. Of course it is ALL very different from Logos or Force Majeure but > that is the beauty of it :)) > > np. GWoC > Szatmari, Pal (koronzon@e...) > ENG-HU translator > Nador utca 18., Nyiregyhaza, 4400 Hungary > Tel.: +36 20 9757 480 / +36 42 462 114 > Fax.: +36 42 462 114 / +36 42 402 369 > ICQ# 62226828 > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:30:29 -0600 > From: jowers > Subject: Artwork question > > What happened to the web site that had scans of live TD shows? > > Kevin > kvjowers@i... > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:09:41 -0000 > From: 'Nick Adams' > Subject: Re: TD soundalikes > >> From: 'Poulton, Larry' >> >> I have two LPs of a group called Neuronium; 'Digital Dreams' and 'Chromium >> Echoes'. These were released in the early 80s and the TD influence is >> indisputable. They use mainly Korg monophonic/polyphonic synths - and >> proudly display gear listings as well as photos on the inner sleeve!! >> Having listened again last night, after several years on the shelf, they >> really are very good. > > Agreed they are both very good, my favorite is the LP Quasar2C361, the side > long piece has some real great sequencing imo....as does the track ''flying > over KaiTak'' from DD, real great stonking stuff, it's a pity they don't > produce the same kind of music these days though,........... hmmm that > sounds a bit familiar ;-) > > Nick > > > Home Nicad@c... > Work Nick.Adams@p... > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:18:46 -0000 > From: 'Phil White' > Subject: Re: TD soundalikes > > From: Phil White > > Re: Neuronium discovered by Larry Poulton > > Maybe you could check out the other 26 album releases by Neuronium and the > numerous releases by Michel Huygen ( who is Neuronium ). > Some are good,one or two are excellent and a few crap IMO. > I particularly like Digital Dreams which certainly 'sounds like' Tangerine > Dream and Jean Michel Jarre with the distinctive Neuronium sound. > > Michel also has a somewhat bizzare website which is very graphics intesive > and includes music while you browse along with the ability to order stuff > direct from the man himself.....! www.neuronium.com > Well worth at least one visit and you may like what you see and hear. > > I don't think myself that he is a T.Dream sound-alike but what do other > synth fans feel about this ? > ATB Phil W. > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:36:10 +0100 > From: 'Marcel Engels' > Subject: RE: TD soundalikes > >> From: Phil White >> >> I don't think myself that he is a T.Dream sound-alike but what do other >> synth fans feel about this ? > > No, I don't think Neuronium is a TD sound-alike either. > It's got a very own sound...and I like it very much. (up untill Carlos > left). > Then Michel somehow 'discovered' new age and then I left... > > Marcel > Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels > Email :fsp@w... > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:55:50 -0800 > From: Jared White > Subject: RE: Goblins Club first impression > >> From: Gustavo Jobim >> >> Hello dreamers! > > >> About GC, my first impression was: where is the point? I >> mean, it's almost >> like the first impression I had about Lily on the Beach, a >> bunch of related >> tracks but seemingly with no... concept. The difference is >> that I liked >> most of the tracks on Lily on the Beach - specially THFMC >> (yeah, I like >> it), 29 Palms, Valley of the Kings (favourite of LOTB and a >> 90s favourite - >> I always considered LOTB a 90s album), Crystal Curfew, Desert >> Drive, and >> others I don't remember now. But I didn't have any reaction >> about most of >> the GC tracks - neither disliking nor liking them. The only >> exception so >> far is Evening Star. >> Let's see if I change my opinion about GC in the next listenings. > > You know, if you had simply simply substituted Tyranny of Beauty for > Goblin's Club, I would have agreed with you totally. That's the one 90's > album that I just don't get. It doesn't do anything for me personally, > except parts of a couple tracks. But Goblin's Club? Woowee, don't get me > started. That's probably one of the top 10, no, top 5, no, top 3, > no...(!) TD albums of all time in my book. If I wrote a couple days ago > that I loved Turn of the Tides, well, I'm CRAZY about Goblin's Club. > I've listened to it so many times that I'm rather sick of it right at > the moment, but, if this tells you anything, I'm using a combination of > Goblin's Club and Mars Polaris for my Windows sound scheme. The harp > part of Rising Haul in Silence is my New Mail sound. :) > > Well, I know Goblin's Club seems to be one of those albums you either > get or you don't. Some here get it, some don't. All I know is this: > you've just got to get Oasis and Mars Polaris, along with DM I and II > for the most cutting-edge, true EM-style TD of the decade. Get Oasis and > Mars Polaris. Get Oasis and Mars Polaris. Get Oasis and Mars Polaris. > (Start chanting with me, folks!) get o~a~.... > > It's tough you have such a hard time getting good, inexpensive copies of > TD albums down there. Can't you get a good deal ordering online > somewhere? Can't Amazon.com or other 'big' names ship to you down there? > > Anyway, good luck, and I hope you eventually warm up to GC a bit. At > least you like the first track, 'Evening Star' -- mmm, my favorite!!! > > Regards, > > Jared > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:47:40 -0500 (EST) > From: Sean Montgomery > Subject: RE: TD soundalikes > > > > While we're on this subject...has anyone else (other than Michael Jean!) > picked up William Orbit's 'Pieces in a Modern Style'? On it, Orbit adapts > classical music for modern instrumentation...ambient classical, if you > will. Overall it's okay, not great...I'd rather just hear the > pieces performed by a real orchestra. But two tracks make the album > worthy of mention here: first, the Ferry Corsten remix of 'Barber's Adiago > for Strings', which simply kicks ass. This is the perfect marriage of > Edgar's classical leanings and Jerome's techno sensibility that TD has > yet to achieve. And Orbit's version of Satie's 'Ogive Number 1' is just > lovely, and I daresay it would please fans of Baumann-era TD. It has a > warm, Mellotron-esque feel to it, but avoids sounding like a throwback. > > I'm curious whether the release of this album (which comes with big label > backing and publicity, thanks to Orbit's affiliation with Madonna) will > change TD's plans for Starship Trooper...perhaps inspire them to do > something really interesting instead of just playing Mozart with > electronic string and harpsichord sounds. > > > > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:12:31 -0500 (EST) > From: Gabe Yedid > Subject: Re: Warsaw > > On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Gustavo Jobim wrote: > >> From: Gustavo Jobim >> >> Well, what is Warsaw in the Sun exactly about? Is it the last part of >> Barbakane? > > Actually, it's the more pop-sounding middle section. > >> BTW, my Barbakane is only 13 minutes long, is the Extracts version. The >> complete Poland album version is almost 20 minutes long, right? > > Not sure if it's quite that long, but yes, the closing section of > 'Barbakane' was removed on the Castle re-release. > > Interestingly, the opening section of this piece was, to the best of my > knowledge, never actually played on that tour. It seems to be another one > of the infamous studio additions. > >> Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... > > Gabe > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:44:46 +0100 > From: 'Marcel Engels' > Subject: RE: RE: TD soundalikes > >> From: Sean Montgomery >> >> While we're on this subject...has anyone else (other than Michael Jean!) >> picked up William Orbit's 'Pieces in a Modern Style'? On it, Orbit adapts >> classical music for modern instrumentation...ambient classical, if you >> will. Overall it's okay, not great...I'd rather just hear the >> pieces performed by a real orchestra. But two tracks make the album >> worthy of mention here: first, the Ferry Corsten remix of 'Barber's Adiago >> for Strings', which simply kicks ass. This is the perfect marriage of >> Edgar's classical leanings and Jerome's techno sensibility that TD has >> yet to achieve. And Orbit's version of Satie's 'Ogive Number 1' is just >> lovely, and I daresay it would please fans of Baumann-era TD. It has a >> warm, Mellotron-esque feel to it, but avoids sounding like a throwback. > > Is it the 1995 version or the new version, because on the 1995 there isn't > a Ferry Corsten remix. > Ime (in my ears) TD can only dream of doing such a track. > Ogive is great with a very nice phaser-like effect. > I like Tomita's version of Pavane better then Orbits though. > (too bad he doesn't do tracks like that anymore or does he?) > All in all a very nice CD. > > Marcel > Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels > Email :fsp@w... > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:37:21 -0500 (EST) > From: Sean Montgomery > Subject: RE: RE: TD soundalikes > > > > >> Is it the 1995 version or the new version, because on the 1995 there isn't >> a Ferry Corsten remix. > > Ah, so are you one of the lucky few who got to hear the original release > of 'Pieces of a Modern Style?' I'm referring to the version that was just > released last week...the North American release has the Ferry Corsten mix > attached as a bonus CD single. > > > > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:15:26 +0100 > From: 'Marcel Engels' > Subject: RE: RE: TD soundalikes > >> From: Sean Montgomery >> >> Ah, so are you one of the lucky few who got to hear the original release >> of 'Pieces of a Modern Style?' I'm referring to the version that was just >> released last week...the North American release has the Ferry Corsten mix >> attached as a bonus CD single. > > Sadly not the original one...but a CDR copy of it with the booklet. > And I bought the CD single before it. > Here's the tracklisting from the '95 version: > > 1. Adagio - Samuel Barber 9:32 > 2. Ogive - Erik Satie 6:45 > 3. Cantus - Arvo Part 8:50 > 4. Pavane - Maurice Ravel 7:09 > 5. Fratres - Arvo Part 11:13 > 6. Piece in the Old Style - Henryk Gorecki 5:00 > 7. Piece in the Old Style - Henryk Gorecki 5:50 > > Wonder if it is the same... > > Marcel > Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels > Email :fsp@w... > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:19:03 +0000 > From: Antonio Nunes > Subject: Re: TD soundalikes > > > > 'Poulton, Larry' wrote: >> >> I have two LPs of a group called Neuronium; 'Digital Dreams' and 'Chromium >> Echoes'. These were released in the early 80s and the TD influence is >> indisputable. >> >> I'm sure they are still around - search of the web required here. > > > The CD version of 'Digital Dream' is called 'The New Digital Dream'. The > booklet says 'Digitally re-mastered by Michel Huygen'. I think the word > 're-mastered' here doesn't mean 'tangentized' ;-) > > Antonio Nunes > > np: Neuronium - The New Digital Dream > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:13:28 +0200 > From: 'koulos_' > Subject: warsaw questions > > first of all hiz from greece once more > > greetings to all of you that i speak at the #tadream chat > > now the questions > > i just got my poland lp copy for 10 us $ and i am wondering what the price for > this pl version is among traders > > secondly the bootlegs from this show are how many? > > thirdly looking at the pics inside the disk i sow this guys having a ' TDfan > club ' thing [dont know the english world but those of you with the lp version > know what i am talking about] > > are anyone of those guys in this list ?......my greetings to them too > [what happened to the 'thing 'they carried ?] > > thats from me at this point > > n.p. spiritualized live at royal albert hall[cd 2] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 15 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:37:49 -0500 > From: 'Herod, Galen (NBC)' > Subject: RE: RE: TD soundalikes > > It's not the same. > Fratres is definitely not on there. > I don't think either Arvo Part cut made it. > But there is 'in a Landscape' by John Cage. > Now I want a copy of the 95 version. > Galen > >> ---------- >> From: Marcel Engels >> Reply To: tadream@o... >> Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 11:15 AM >> To: tadream@o... >> Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: TD soundalikes >> >> From: 'Marcel Engels' >> >>> From: Sean Montgomery >>> >>> Ah, so are you one of the lucky few who got to hear the original release >>> of 'Pieces of a Modern Style?' I'm referring to the version that was >> just >>> released last week...the North American release has the Ferry Corsten >> mix >>> attached as a bonus CD single. >> >> Sadly not the original one...but a CDR copy of it with the booklet. >> And I bought the CD single before it. >> Here's the tracklisting from the '95 version: >> >> 1. Adagio - Samuel Barber 9:32 >> 2. Ogive - Erik Satie 6:45 >> 3. Cantus - Arvo Part 8:50 >> 4. Pavane - Maurice Ravel 7:09 >> 5. Fratres - Arvo Part 11:13 >> 6. Piece in the Old Style - Henryk Gorecki 5:00 >> 7. Piece in the Old Style - Henryk Gorecki 5:50 >> >> Wonder if it is the same... >> >> Marcel >> Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels >> Email :fsp@w... >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Female Musicians at MP3.com! >> Free, fresh, and fun! >> http://click.egroups.com/1/1990/2/_/24785/_/951851501/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> >> > > Because e-mail can be altered electronically, > the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 16 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:54:22 +0100 > From: Kees > Subject: Orbit was TD soundalikes > > At 12:47 29-2-00 -0500, you wrote: >> From: Sean Montgomery >> >> >> >> While we're on this subject...has anyone else (other than Michael Jean!) >> picked up William Orbit's 'Pieces in a Modern Style'? On it, Orbit adapts >> classical music for modern instrumentation...ambient classical, if you >> will. Overall it's okay, not great... > > Hi, > > I listened to it and didn't like it a lot. For this kind of music I prefer > early Tomita. > But the bonus single was great. > For a track listing and cover picture go to: > http://www.groove.nl/cd/50980.html > > > > > All the best. > > Kees > > ------------------------------------------------------ > For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl > ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 17 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:56:28 +0100 > From: Kees > Subject: Re: TD soundalikes > > At 19:19 29-2-00 +0000, you wrote: >> From: Antonio Nunes >> >> >> >> 'Poulton, Larry' wrote: >>> >>> I have two LPs of a group called Neuronium; 'Digital Dreams' and 'Chromium >>> Echoes'. These were released in the early 80s and the TD influence is >>> indisputable. >>> >>> I'm sure they are still around - search of the web required here. >> >> >> The CD version of 'Digital Dream' is called 'The New Digital Dream'. The >> booklet says 'Digitally re-mastered by Michel Huygen'. I think the word >> 're-mastered' here doesn't mean 'tangentized' ;-) >> >> Antonio Nunes >> >> np: Neuronium - The New Digital Dream > > My favorite still is The New Visitor :-) > It's a strange affair... > > And I agree with Marcel. His early work is far more superior. > > > All the best. > > Kees > > ------------------------------------------------------ > For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl > ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 18 > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:23:57 -0600 > From: 'Michael A Jean' > Subject: ORBIT Pieces in a Modern Style > > > I picked up the new one (and have always wanted to hear the old one but > could never find it)... The new one has 11 tracks not including the 2 on the > cd single... The piece thats missing is the one by Arvo Part and probably > the key reason the old one was pulled off the shelves. > > I like the remixes, but my favorite piece is Cavalleria Rusticana by > Mascagni... > > Has anyone heard the two new Orbit-produced songs on the new Madonna S/T cd? > > I was also wondering what effect if any it may have on the upcoming TD > release (Sean and I must be on the same wavelength today)... > > > MJ > > NP: Paul Sauvanet TRISTESSE (another electronic classic work) > >> >>> Is it the 1995 version or the new version, because on the 1995 >> there isn't >>> a Ferry Corsten remix. >> >> Ah, so are you one of the lucky few who got to hear the original release >> of 'Pieces of a Modern Style?' I'm referring to the version that was just >> released last week...the North American release has the Ferry Corsten mix >> attached as a bonus CD single. >> >> >> >> SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator >> >> T O P I X / Mad Dog >> http://www.topix.com/~sean >> >> >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 19 > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:16:58 -0800 > From: 'Frank' > Subject: Gather Darkness > > I just heard a sample of Arcane's 'Gather Darkness' CD and was impressed. Do > any of you have this CD and do you know where besides Groove Unlimited where I > can get it? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 20 > Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 06:34:39 +0000 > From: 'Yensen, Stephen' > Subject: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) > > Whew!! Two postings in one week. I really must have a lie down. > > Todd says: > > << > Keep looking in the 1990's. There is still a lot of stuff in there that (I > am sure) catch your attention. > > There are big fans of TotT and there are those who classify it as 'OK'. > > Try Rockoon or Mars Polaris. > > Others, with other perspectives, will give you other ideas. >>> > > Eh??? Rockoon??? I might try Rockoon _if_ I was totally tired of life, but > I usually get better results from any Leonard Cohen album. You're kidding, > aren't you? Don't you want to keep your friends? > > ;-) > > Cheers, > Steve. > np: Rockoon - to see if it's really as bad as I remember it. If you don't > hear from me within 24 hours, then please call an ambulance!! > > ============ STEVE YENSEN =============== > Home: syensen@i... > http://www.innotts.co.uk/~syensen/ > (the internet in nottingham) > > Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... > (Siemens Communications) > > See Charlie and Bertie on > http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html > > No animals were harmed in the production and > transmission of this e-mail ... > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 21 > Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:29:06 +0000 (GMT) > From: craig.cordrey@g... > Subject: Re: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) > > > >> From: 'Yensen, Stephen' >> np: Rockoon - to see if it's really as bad as I remember it. If you don't >> hear from me within 24 hours, then please call an ambulance!! > > It is! I try this too - get it out every year or so to see if I've 'got it' > yet > and very quickly regret it. They shortly followed with my other least > favourite > - Tyranny of Beauty. Two albums that did nothing for me in the space of 4 > years > - luckily they hadn't done it before and haven't one it since! > > NP : Argos 1982 > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... > Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 > Alenia Marconi Systems > Integrated Systems Division > Donibristle, Fife, Scotland > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 22 > Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:59:15 +0100 > From: Heiko Heerssen > Subject: Re: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) > > > > craig.cordrey@g... wrote: > >> It is! I try this too - get it out every year or so to see if I've 'got it' >> yet >> and very quickly regret it. > > I like 'Rockoon'! (oh my god, where's my asbestos suit!!??) > >> They shortly followed with my other least favourite Tyranny of Beauty. > > Yep, I have to agree here with you. This is my least fave TD album, closely > followed by 'Tournado'. > >> NP : Argos 1982 > > a wise decision ;-) > > Heiko > n.p.: nothing! my boss just popped in and I had to stop listening to 'Great > Wall of > China' on my Discman....life can be cruel :-( > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 23 > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:56:01 +0100 > From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... > Subject: RE: Rockoon was Turn of the tides: an alternative (not !) > > IMO Rockoon is not the best but neither the weakest album of TD. > I still put it in my cdplayer, it was refreshing after a period of poor > albums starting with Tiger . > After Tiger I quit buying/collecting albums of TD. Until Rockoon came out. I > feel in love with > TD again and since Rockoon my love for them grow with every album.;-) > I was happy again. > I even begin to like Tiger :-) > > > Keep on Dreamin' > > Bert > aka Phrozenlight > > my Homepage > http://go.to/phrozenlight/ > (still under construction) > please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-) >> my home-email phrozenlight@z... >> >> >> >> >> ---------- >> From: Heiko Heerssen[SMTP:heiko.heerssen@h...] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 10:59 >> To: tadream@o... >> Subject: Re: [tadream] Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) >> >> From: Heiko Heerssen >> >> >> >> craig.cordrey@g... wrote: >> >>> It is! I try this too - get it out every year or so to see if I've 'got >> it' yet >>> and very quickly regret it. >> >> I like 'Rockoon'! (oh my god, where's my asbestos suit!!??) >> >>> They shortly followed with my other least favourite Tyranny of Beauty. >> >> Yep, I have to agree here with you. This is my least fave TD album, >> closely >> followed by 'Tournado'. >> >>> NP : Argos 1982 >> >> a wise decision ;-) >> >> Heiko >> n.p.: nothing! my boss just popped in and I had to stop listening to >> 'Great Wall of >> China' on my Discman....life can be cruel :-( >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% >> Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! >> http://click.egroups.com/1/911/2/_/24785/_/951903992/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 24 > Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:27:42 +0000 (GMT) > From: craig.cordrey@g... > Subject: Re: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) > > > >> From: Heiko Heerssen >> >> I like 'Rockoon'! (oh my god, where's my asbestos suit!!??) >> > > My good friend Heiko, my respect for you as a TD afficienado has been dented! > 8-) > >> n.p.: nothing! my boss just popped in and I had to stop listening to 'Great > Wall of >> China' on my Discman....life can be cruel :-( > > Hoping to grab this (the disc, not your boss) at the RMI/UtD gig at Jodrell > bank a week on Saturday. Will probably have to withstand some slagging from > those around me as I do so - TD seem to be moving toward the type of reception > you get when you buy a Barry Manilow record (something I haven't done for > _many_ years). > > NP : The Harlequin, The Robot and the Ballet-Dancer (Sven Vath) > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... > Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 > Alenia Marconi Systems > Integrated Systems Division > Donibristle, Fife, Scotland > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > ____________________________________________________________________________ __> _ > > Message: 25 > Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:50:33 +0100 > From: Heiko Heerssen > Subject: Re: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) > > > > craig.cordrey@g... wrote: > >>> I like 'Rockoon'! (oh my god, where's my asbestos suit!!??) >>> >> >> My good friend Heiko, my respect for you as a TD afficienado has been dented! >> 8-) > > Nobody's perfect! > >> Will probably have to withstand some slagging from those around me as I do so >> - >> TD seem to be moving toward the type of reception you get when you buy a >> Barry >> Manilow record (something I haven't done for _many_ years). > > Edgar Froese.....the Barry Manilow of electronic music? ;-) > >> NP : The Harlequin, The Robot and the Ballet-Dancer (Sven Vath) > Good News for the KS fans on the list. According to The KS Circle, March 2000 issue, Klaus Schulze plans to release no fewer than 6 NEW CDs. News about the upcomming releases will be posted on the website sometime later in March, but not before the webmaster returns from his vacation by the middle of March. Is the guy mad ? 6 more after just releasing the Ultimate Ed. ? ;-) If this is madness, it's the kind of madness I like :-))) Ashra Temple and KS in London. Schulze's participation in the concert has not been confirmed yet. --------------------------------------------------------------- \ O /_ Flemming Larsen, airwave@1... \/ /_ \ http:// (in the works) \ ICQ #65014061 Visit the TaDeam Chat on IRC, SorceryNet, #tadream. Fridays and Saturdays 9pm-2am (GMT) (Usually ;-) Feel free to email me for details on how to access IRC. --------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 6:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) > From: craig.cordrey@g... > Hoping to grab this (the disc, not your boss) at the RMI/UtD gig at Jodrell > bank a week on Saturday. Will probably have to withstand some slagging from > those around me as I do so - TD seem to be moving toward the type of reception > you get when you buy a Barry Manilow record (something I haven't done for > _many_ years). LOL. Ever thought about using that camouflage cape ? It certainly will help you if the spot turns on centered on just you after picking up that one. 'Aaah, *you* are that person still buying TD!' ;-) > NP : The Harlequin, The Robot and the Ballet-Dancer (Sven Vath) This is much, much more like it, Craig. ;-) Best Reagards Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21089 new list archive format joe shoults Wed 3/1/2000 2 KB 21090 Re: Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) Gabe Yedid Wed 3/1/2000 3 KB From: 'joe shoults' Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 10:28 pm Subject: new list archive format check out the new message formats at onelist.com! http://www.onelist.com/messages/tadream now, you can view the entire history of this list either by date, or by thread- pretty cool. joe From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Turn of the tides: an alternative (not!) All I have to say is that's sad indeed if buying a TD album has been reduced to a guilty pleasure. cheers, Gabe NP: New Order: 'Blue Monday' (and *not* ashamed to admit it) On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Jens Peschke wrote: > From: 'Jens Peschke' > > > From: craig.cordrey@g... > > > Hoping to grab this (the disc, not your boss) at the RMI/UtD gig at > Jodrell > > bank a week on Saturday. Will probably have to withstand some slagging > from > > those around me as I do so - TD seem to be moving toward the type of > reception > > you get when you buy a Barry Manilow record (something I haven't done for > > _many_ years). > > > LOL. Ever thought about using that camouflage cape ? It certainly will help > you if > the spot turns on centered on just you after picking up that one. > > 'Aaah, *you* are that person still buying TD!' ;-) > > > > NP : The Harlequin, The Robot and the Ballet-Dancer (Sven Vath) > > This is much, much more like it, Craig. ;-) > > Best Reagards > > Jens > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Why wait for a credit decision? Get one instantly! Apply for > the Capital One 9.9% Fixed APR Visa Platinum! > http://click.egroups.com/1/1896/2/_/24785/_/951934208/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 11:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Gather Darkness ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Frank' To: Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:16 AM Subject: [tadream] Gather Darkness > From: 'Frank' > > I just heard a sample of Arcane's 'Gather Darkness' CD and was impressed. Do any of you have this CD and do you know where besides Groove Unlimited where I can get it? Hi Frank try Synth music direct here in the UK . david@n... or check out there web site at www.neuharm.demon.co.uk They have the album listed at £ 12.95 + postage. Best regards Carl . From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 11:25 pm Subject: Jodrell bank Hi guys sorry for the off topic kinda stuff but who else is attending Jodrell Bank on Saturday 11 March ? Not having a lot of listening experience of RMI . Under the Dome and the like should I definitely make the effort to attend ? Regards Carl ' Orch ' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21095 Re: Jodrell bank craig.cordrey@g... Thu 3/2/2000 4 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Wed Mar 1, 2000 5:38 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Gather Darkness >From: 'Frank' > >I just heard a sample of Arcane's 'Gather Darkness' CD and was impressed. Do any of you have this CD >and do you know where besides Groove Unlimited where I can get it? Try www.neuharm.demon.co.uk all the best, Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Emusic http://w3.to/_emusic From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Thu Mar 2, 2000 8:21 am Subject: Another one!! I'll see the shrink tomorrow. I said: >>From: 'Yensen, Stephen' >>np: Rockoon - to see if it's really as bad as I remember it. If you don't >>hear from me within 24 hours, then please call an ambulance!! Craig C said: >It is! I try this too - get it out every year or so to see if I've 'got it' yet >and very quickly regret it. They shortly followed with my other least favourite >- Tyranny of Beauty. Two albums that did nothing for me in the space of 4 years >- luckily they hadn't done it before and haven't one it since! I don't mind ToB too much. Stratosfear 1995 ain't bad anyway. I'm still trying to listen to the original piece behind the extra stuff. Whether they used the original analogue stuff in the background or synthesised it using modern digital gear I'm not sure. Yep, I survived the last 24 hours. Life isn't all bad ;-) I can't wait for the D:Studio [Rockoon] discussions though! Jared, are you a Rockoon fan? 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Date: Thu Mar 2, 2000 8:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Jodrell bank >From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > >Hi guys sorry for the off topic kinda stuff but who else is attending >Jodrell Bank on Saturday 11 March ? I'll be there, along with fellow Beyond_EM list member Bill Bailey (don't think Bill's here). >Not having a lot of listening experience of RMI . Under the Dome and the >like should I definitely make the effort to attend ? Both relate more to the 70s, sequencer-based TD style than to the 80s or 90s melody-based TD style. I have little listening experience of RMI myself - I often think of RMI and AirScultpure as similar but may be wrong. UtD have a slightly more melodic structure to their work, but offer excellent sequences too. This show will be a mix of old and previously unreleased material, possibly only played by one half of the UtD duo (Grant - Colin may not be able to make it). Could be a once in a lifetime experience! I don't know where you are in the country, but I'd suggest it would be £10 well spent - if only for the chance to peruse first hand SMD's CD stall. We're travelling from Scotland, staying overnight at the Crewe Travelodge and returning on the Sunday. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Christopher Lomas' Date: Thu Mar 2, 2000 1:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Jodrell bank HI Bit of an infrequent contributor to this list (to say the least) but I too will be attending the RMI gig next w/e. I'm not overly familliar with RMI either - but their Borrowed Atoms CD (most recent studio effort I think) is very much in the Rubycon era TD style. Lots of long minimalist passages, good sequencer work etc. I'd say it's definitely worth the trip - the setting is pretty spectacular too and should make a perfect environment for the music. btw I'm heading up from Gloucestershire so if any list members in the vicinity want a lift let me know. Chris >From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' >Reply-To: tadream@o... >To: 'TD EMAIL' >Subject: [tadream] Jodrell bank >Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:25:01 -0000 > >Hi guys sorry for the off topic kinda stuff but who else is attending >Jodrell Bank on Saturday 11 March ? >Not having a lot of listening experience of RMI . Under the Dome and the >like should I definitely make the effort to attend ? >Regards Carl ' Orch ' > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: Jared White Date: Thu Mar 2, 2000 4:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] > From: 'Yensen, Stephen' > Yep, I survived the last 24 hours. Life isn't all bad ;-) I can't wait for > the D:Studio [Rockoon] > discussions though! Jared, are you a Rockoon fan? Well, I don't know if I'm so much a Rockoon fan as I am a Rockoon supporter at least, i. e., I think Rockoon deserves more recognition than it gets. There are some parts of it I really like, and the first track and last tracks in paticular are DYNAMITE! That being said, I think other parts of the album are pretty lousy, and the album as a whole certainly does not hold up to either the one before (Melrose) or the one after (220 Volt Live) -- both excellent albums for their own paticular TD period. The other aspect of the 'Rockoon issue' for me is that I used to think Lily on the Beach was far more mediocre and irratating than Rockoon. The last couple of listens of LoTB proved reasonably favorable, so now I think both albums are at least Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21098 Re: [tadream] Jared White Thu 3/2/2000 3 KB 21937 Re: [tadream] Feldon Feldon Fri 4/14/2000 2 KB From: Jared White Date: Thu Mar 2, 2000 6:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Whoops, I accedentally sent this before it was finished -- I'll finish it below: > From: Jared White > > > From: 'Yensen, Stephen' > > > > Yep, I survived the last 24 hours. Life isn't all bad ;-) I can't wait for > > the D:Studio [Rockoon] > > discussions though! Jared, are you a Rockoon fan? > > Well, I don't know if I'm so much a Rockoon fan as I am a Rockoon supporter at least, i. e., I > think Rockoon deserves more recognition than it gets. There are some parts of it I really like, > and the first track and last tracks in paticular are DYNAMITE! That being said, I think other > parts of the album are pretty lousy, and the album as a whole certainly does not hold up to > either the one before (Melrose) or the one after (220 Volt Live) -- both excellent albums for > their own paticular TD period. > > The other aspect of the 'Rockoon issue' for me is that I used to think Lily on the Beach was far > more mediocre and irratating than Rockoon. The last couple of listens of LoTB proved reasonably > favorable, so now I think both albums are at least 'fairly interesting and enjoyable at times'. :) Of course, I really don't know how objective I can be at this point. I like what I like and that includes TD in just about any form and guise! Take care, Jared From: 'James Owens' Date: Thu Mar 2, 2000 10:02 pm Subject: Re: Warsaw --- In tadream@o..., Gabe Yedid wrote: > Actually, it's the more pop-sounding middle section. It's the middle section on the original version. On the excerpts CD it is the ending section. > Interestingly, the opening section of this piece was, to the best of my > knowledge, never actually played on that tour. It seems to be another one > of the infamous studio additions. As far as that goes, 'Warsaw in the Sun' was not played in the same form as what's on Poland. The Poland part is identical to the 7' single release. The version played live is much more ethereal (no heavy beat) and played in such a 'soft' way as to sound like a lullaby. I wish the live recording was of better quality, because this is a really neat alternate version. James (back intermittently) From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Mar 3, 2000 3:26 am Subject: OT: Robert Moog interview on 'Fresh Air' I thought some list members might be interested in this--last Monday, National Public Radio's 'Fresh Air' program featured an interview with Robert Moog. Although there was no mention of Tangerine Dream (hence the 'OT' in the subject), I found the interview interesting enough to pass along a link to the show's RealAudio archive: http://www.freshair.com/fara.html Once there, enter February 28, 2000, and you'll be able to listen to the show (as well as last Monday's news, if you want...) in RealAudio. --Daniel :) NP: Dead Can Dance--Aion From: Steven Feldman Date: Fri Mar 3, 2000 5:45 am Subject: 2 New Orbit/Madonna Tracks on THE NEXT BEST THING Soundtrack? >Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:23:57 -0600 >Subject: Re: [tadream] ORBIT Pieces in a Modern Style >From: Tangerine Dream mailing list >Really-From: 'Michael A Jean' > > >Has anyone heard the two new Orbit-produced songs on the new Madonna >S/T cd? ^$$#^(*%#$!!! :( :( :( Why the hell do people have to use goddamed abbreviations all the time? What do you mean by 'S/T'? Those letters can mean 'soundtrack,' but they can also mean 'self-titled'! What songs do you mean? Do you mean from the movie THE NEXT BEST THING? Now, how many people on the TD list do you think had the slightest idea what the hell you were talking about? You might think that abbreviating saves time, but it obfuscates to the point of unitelligibility so that the reader merely deletes your message rather than trying to decipher it. -- Steven Feldman -- unhumble webmaster for the Unofficial Karen Sheperd website; see http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/shepfilm.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21102 Re: 2 New Orbit/Madonna Tracks on THE NEXT BEST craig.cordrey@g... Fri 3/3/2000 3 KB 21108 Re: 2 New Orbit/Madonna Tracks on THE NEXT BEST Oscar Dean Sat 3/4/2000 3 KB From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Fri Mar 3, 2000 8:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 2 New Orbit/Madonna Tracks on THE NEXT BEST THING Soundtrack? >From: Steven Feldman > >>Has anyone heard the two new Orbit-produced songs on the new Madonna >>S/T cd? Not wanting to get too embroiled in an infamous Feldman rant (8-)), but I thought S/T was a fairly common abbrev. for soundtrack. No? Madonna has released her (and Orbit's) version of American Pie (the old Don MacLean track) here from that album - does this count as one of the 'new' tracks Michael? It took a bit of criticism from the radio, but I like it - I don't think there's as much obvious Orbit counds in there except for the intro. Not much help, I'm afraid, but hopefully more palatable than the previous response! 8-) NP : Melrose - hand almost strayed to Rockoon this morning but just managed to avoid it! -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Fri Mar 3, 2000 8:47 am Subject: Boddy Concert in USA I've just read a GoldTri post saying that Ian Boddy is playing in Philadelphia on 6th May. May be of interest to our American readers. Don't know any other details, I'm afraid. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21105 Re: Boddy Concert in USA Brian M. Frick Fri 3/3/2000 2 KB From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Fri Mar 3, 2000 11:34 am Subject: Tangerine Roaming To Toronto Hi all Please note that I will go off to Toronto on Mar 07 and have no access to email until I come back to Hong Kong by Mar 15. In case of questions/queries please send them to me by this coming Sunday. I will not be available after that. Thanks for yr attention. Regards Jeffrey From: 'Brian M. Frick' Date: Fri Mar 3, 2000 1:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Boddy Concert in USA on 3/3/00 2:47 AM, craig.cordrey@g... at craig.cordrey@g... wrote: > From: craig.cordrey@g... > > > I've just read a GoldTri post saying that Ian Boddy is playing in Philadelphia > on 6th May. May be of interest to our American readers. Don't know any other > details, I'm afraid. > Hey, guys: check out http://www.DiN.org.uk/ ; scroll toward the bottom of the page. This should be a great concert. Email Chuck Van Zyl with any questions, as per the link on the page. He was really good about getting back to me :-) Hope this helps!! -Brian From: 'Geraint Rees' Date: Sat Mar 4, 2000 12:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 409 ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 08:46:57 -0800 From: Jared White Subject: Re: > From: 'Yensen, Stephen' > Yep, I survived the last 24 hours. Life isn't all bad ;-) I can't wait for > the D:Studio [Rockoon] > discussions though! Jared, are you a Rockoon fan? Well, I don't know if I'm so much a Rockoon fan as I am a Rockoon supporter at least, i. e., I think Rockoon deserves more recognition than it gets. There are some parts of it I really like, and the first track and last tracks in paticular are DYNAMITE! That being said, I think other parts of the album are pretty lousy, and the album as a whole certainly does not hold up to either the one before (Melrose) or the one after (220 Volt Live) -- both excellent albums for their own paticular TD period. The other aspect of the 'Rockoon issue' for me is that I used to think Lily on the Beach was far more mediocre and irratating than Rockoon. The last couple of listens of LoTB proved reasonably favorable, so now I think both albums are at least ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:55:31 -0800 From: Jared White Subject: Re: Whoops, I accedentally sent this before it was finished -- I'll finish it below: > From: Jared White > > > From: 'Yensen, Stephen' > > > > Yep, I survived the last 24 hours. Life isn't all bad ;-) I can't wait for > > the D:Studio [Rockoon] > > discussions though! Jared, are you a Rockoon fan? > > Well, I don't know if I'm so much a Rockoon fan as I am a Rockoon supporter at least, i. e., I > think Rockoon deserves more recognition than it gets. There are some parts of it I really like, > and the first track and last tracks in paticular are DYNAMITE! That being said, I think other > parts of the album are pretty lousy, and the album as a whole certainly does not hold up to > either the one before (Melrose) or the one after (220 Volt Live) -- both excellent albums for > their own paticular TD period. > > The other aspect of the 'Rockoon issue' for me is that I used to think Lily on the Beach was far > more mediocre and irratating than Rockoon. The last couple of listens of LoTB proved reasonably > favorable, so now I think both albums are at least 'fairly interesting and enjoyable at times'. :) Of course, I really don't know how objective I can be at this point. I like what I like and that includes TD in just about any form and guise! Take care, Jared ------------------------------------------------------------- I too am a bit of a Rockoon supporter, I agree that it doesn't have the immediate impact that say 220V Live has, it shows a good build up towards it. I've always felt that Rockoon was a bit of an experiment down the Electronic Rock line, being a bit different, a bit harder edge ( esp. Big City Dwarves (Track 1), Touchwood, Rockoon). Lifted Veil is the beautiful track on the album and also a bit of a favourite. On the other hand, I will agree that there are a few weak tracks on the album that have relegated it to the occasional 'B' list.appeaance on my CD player, but it does get some plays, when I'm in that particular hard edged-mood. As a summary, it isn't the worst E&J could have done at this point, but it isn't quite the best either. (As a point of reference I think that 220V Live is *Excellent*, gets lots of plays, especially when driving). Geraint n.p. Paul Haslinger - Score (I'll give a bit of an opinion of this when I've had a few more sober listenings). From: 'Eric Rochon' Date: Sat Mar 4, 2000 12:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Roaming To Toronto Jeffrey, have a safe trip to Toronto! I am living about 40 minutes away from this town! Éric From: Oscar Dean Date: Sat Mar 4, 2000 6:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 2 New Orbit/Madonna Tracks on THE NEXT BEST THING Soundtrack? At 12:45 AM 3/3/00 EST, you wrote: >From: Steven Feldman > >>Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:23:57 -0600 >>Subject: Re: [tadream] ORBIT Pieces in a Modern Style >>From: Tangerine Dream mailing list >>Really-From: 'Michael A Jean' >> >> >>Has anyone heard the two new Orbit-produced songs on the new Madonna >>S/T cd? > > ^$$#^(*%#$!!! :( :( :( > Why the hell do people have to use goddamed abbreviations all the >time? What do you mean by 'S/T'? Those letters can mean 'soundtrack,' >but they can also mean 'self-titled'! What songs do you mean? Do you >mean from the movie THE NEXT BEST THING? Now, how many people on the >TD list do you think had the slightest idea what the hell you were >talking about? You might think that abbreviating saves time, but >it obfuscates to the point of unitelligibility so that the reader >merely deletes your message rather than trying to decipher it. Must be that time of the month! heehee ;-) > > -- Steven Feldman -- unhumble From: Chris Richards Date: Sat Mar 4, 2000 10:05 am Subject: Just a reminder Hey!!! I dunno who did it, but someone quoted nearly an entire DIGEST today!!!! That's right, we had a 52K digest because didn't bother to carefully edit what the quote that they're responding to. Usually, this just results in a paragraph or two that one has to weed through to get to what's being responded to, but today someone did something way more aggravating. Please, if you have to quote something, just pick out the sentence or two you're responding to use in your quote, and PLEASE, no more complete digest quotes!!!!! Thanks! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From: 'joe shoults' Date: Sat Mar 4, 2000 3:37 pm Subject: OTL RE: [tadream] Just a reminder thanks chris. we're lucky to have a bunch of folks here that are pretty good about that. I'm on a lot of lists, and this community is one of the absolute best about practicing netiquette. i assure you, he slipped and sent the digest by mistake, and it doesn't happen often much at all. -joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Richards [mailto:kohntarkosz@y...] > Hey!!! I dunno who did it, but someone quoted > nearly an entire DIGEST today!!!! That's right, > we had a 52K digest because didn't bother to > carefully edit what the quote that they're > responding to. Usually, this just results in a > paragraph or two that one has to weed through to > get to what's being responded to, but today > someone did something way more aggravating. > Please, if you have to quote something, just pick > out the sentence or two you're responding to use > in your quote, and PLEASE, no more complete > digest quotes!!!!! Thanks! > From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Mar 4, 2000 1:52 pm Subject: Castle Remasters Looking on CDNOW, I noticed that the Pink/Blue years were scheduled for another round of re-releases under the Castle label. Does anyone know if these have been remastered *since* the Sequel series of remasters that came out in '96 (i.e. do they sound any better)? I'm really not planning to buy any more re-releases unless there's a substantial increase in sound quality (or if they come up with a SACD series). - jim --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Kid's were different then. They didn't have their heads filled with all this Cartesian Dualism...' -- Michael Palin Jim Moore -- Atlanta, Georgia, USA -- E-mail: jimbo@v... From: 'kayleigh' Date: Sat Mar 4, 2000 3:29 pm Subject: How close? Hey there all. Wanted to ask HOW CLOSE does TD come to the US? I Guess I should ask that rather than some of the posts I'd put online in the past? I have heard they've played upwards in Canada, etc, but wasn't sure if it'd been since like 92 since someone mentioned the last US appearance? Also wanted to let everyone know that I had the opportunity awhile back to see Loreena MCKennitt perform live, AND if you ever have the chance to see her, DO IT. She's stunning and puts on a fabulous live performance. I've been a fan of her music for about 5 years now, and her performance in Montreal was totally awesome, and she puts on a fabulous performance. dan WELCOME to Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://www.modempool.com/kayleigh Great White/Poison Online Mailing Lists TheTradingCircle - An Online CDR Trading Network! ICQ#1247205 - AOL IM: Tootiehoot2 Yahoo Pager: kayleigh_tootiehoot Firetalk ID: tootiehoot/581211 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21113 Re: How close? Michael A Jean Sat 3/4/2000 3 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Mar 4, 2000 4:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] How close? THat last concert appearnace in North America was in LA 1995 I believe.. I have seen Loreena McKennitt play live a few times, and yes she does do a very nice show... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: kayleigh [mailto:kayleigh@m...] > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 9:30 AM > To: Tangerine Dream List > Subject: [tadream] How close? > > > From: 'kayleigh' > > Hey there all. Wanted to ask HOW CLOSE does TD come to the US? I Guess I > should ask that rather than some of the posts I'd put online in > the past? I > have heard they've played upwards in Canada, etc, but wasn't sure if it'd > been since like 92 since someone mentioned the last US appearance? > > Also wanted to let everyone know that I had the opportunity awhile back to > see Loreena MCKennitt perform live, AND if you ever have the chance to see > her, DO IT. She's stunning and puts on a fabulous live performance. I've > been a fan of her music for about 5 years now, and her performance in > Montreal was totally awesome, and she puts on a fabulous performance. > > dan > > WELCOME to Kayleigh's Playhouse! > http://www.modempool.com/kayleigh > Great White/Poison Online Mailing Lists > TheTradingCircle - An Online CDR Trading Network! > ICQ#1247205 - AOL IM: Tootiehoot2 > Yahoo Pager: kayleigh_tootiehoot > Firetalk ID: tootiehoot/581211 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2120/2/_/24785/_/952183911/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Mar 4, 2000 5:36 pm Subject: Discussion Week 25 - Sunday March 5th 2000 This week brings me to one of my personal favourite albums, Le Parc Please make your subject read 'D:Studio [Le Parc]' when posting comments and reviews. Samples can be found at http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/leparc1.ram http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/leparc2.ram Regards, Lawry Simm lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 4, 2000 6:02 pm Subject: GFJM big update Hello evryone! I'm glad to inform you that my site is totally updated. What's new: 1. Guestbook 2. Cacophony part II 3. Aldebaran part II will be uploaded this week 4. All the files in MP3 format, but with MPG extension to avoid any possible problem with the page provider's policy. You'll have to unzip the files and then rename them to the MP3 extension. Enjoy! And sign the guestbook! :) Gustavo Ferreira Jobim's Music (GFJM): http://gfjm.cjb.net Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... GFJ-Music: http://gfjm.cjb.net From: izyrp@o... Date: Sat Mar 4, 2000 7:13 pm Subject: Christopher Franke's Babylon Soundtrack? Could anyone here please tell me their opinion about Franke's Babylon 5 Soundtrack CD's ? I've learned recently there are some 10 albums with this material. Is it all good enough and worth purchasing? Which are the best Franke's solo recordings? Thanks, Zbig Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21117 Re: Christopher Franke's Babylon Soundtrack? Michael A Jean Sat 3/4/2000 3 KB 21118 Re: Christopher Franke's Babylon Soundtrack? Michael A Jean Sat 3/4/2000 2 KB 21120 Christopher Franke's Babylon Soundtrack Rainer Rutka Sat 3/4/2000 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Mar 4, 2000 9:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Christopher Franke's Babylon Soundtrack? > -----Original Message----- > From: izyrp@o... [mailto:izyrp@o...] > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 1:14 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Christopher Franke's Babylon Soundtrack? > > > From: izyrp@o... > > Could anyone here please tell me their opinion about Franke's Babylon 5 > Soundtrack CD's ? > I've learned recently there are some 10 albums with this material. > Is it all good enough and worth purchasing? > Which are the best Franke's solo recordings? > Thanks, > Zbig > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2121/2/_/24785/_/952197312/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Mar 4, 2000 9:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Christopher Franke's Babylon Soundtrack? There are alot more than 10...More like 30.... They vary in quality... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: izyrp@o... [mailto:izyrp@o...] > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 1:14 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Christopher Franke's Babylon Soundtrack? > > > From: izyrp@o... > > Could anyone here please tell me their opinion about Franke's Babylon 5 > Soundtrack CD's ? > I've learned recently there are some 10 albums with this material. > Is it all good enough and worth purchasing? > Which are the best Franke's solo recordings? > Thanks, > Zbig > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21120 Christopher Franke's Babylon Soundtrack Rainer Rutka Sat 3/4/2000 2 KB From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Sat Mar 4, 2000 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Christopher Franke's Babylon Soundtrack? Greetings! THEY ALL SUCK!!!!!! IMO Rick Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21150 Re: Christopher Franke's Babylon Soundtrack? Nigbur D Mon 3/6/2000 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sat Mar 4, 2000 11:10 pm Subject: [tadream] Christopher Franke's Babylon Soundtrack > From: 'Michael A Jean' > There are alot more than 10...More like 30.... > They vary in quality... You'll find a complete list in : www.rutka.de/td -> Chris(stoper) Franke. All Franke solo-cds (and the B5, too) are listed. Have fun... Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Bennett Cookson Date: Sat Mar 4, 2000 10:39 pm Subject: D:Studio [Le Parc] Le Parc. One of my favorite albums Yellowstone Park is an all time favorite track. I love the cool 'horn' sound at the beginning and how the song builds from there. It reminds me of someone off on a far hill blowing the horn and ushering in the music. But I really did not like it when I first bought the album. I thought it had too many strange sounds. Years ago I had a tape and when my car CD player was in the repair shop, Le Parc was the only tape I had in the car for at least a week (maybe two). Anyway, it just kind of played in the background and by the time I fixed my CD player, I was hooked and it has been a favorite ever since. --Bennett np: Le Parc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21145 D:Studio [Le Parc] Gustavo Jobim Mon 3/6/2000 2 KB 21162 D:Studio [Le Parc] Steven Wed 3/8/2000 4 KB 21163 Re: D:Studio [Le Parc] joe shoults Wed 3/8/2000 2 KB 21209 D:Studio [Le Parc] quarlie@a... Mon 3/13/2000 6 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 1:15 am Subject: Okefenokee Details - Those that plan to attend please reply.. Hi TD fans! This Okefenokee event in southern Georgia is about to happen soon - April 9-13. Again, I will remind everyone that we have 16 places in the cottages which cost $10 per day. Other arrangements can be made when we exceed 16 (that is tents or motorhomes or nearby motels). Please respond soon with your definite confirmation. The ones that already have confirmed, please contact me with your travel plans. The main nights will be April 9-10 for those that are on a tight schedule. I hope to plan for April 10th to be the EM improv night in dedication to Tangerine Dream. We will see. **** It looks like that for sure we will have the EM musicians Marcel Engels (aka FSP) and David Brewer (the mastermind behind the old TD fan club Network 388 tape compilation). We will stage an official EM concert for them. Can anyone bring a 220Volt converter? I have to apologize because I was going to post some pictues that I and Roger Smith took of the Swamp in late December 1999. My program to reduce the resolution is not working so I hesitate to post the pictures due to a long download time. Anyway, I suggest that you search the net for Okefenokee - you'll get plenty of pictures and info. As a final comment, all those that attend should bring one TD item they are willing to give up since we will be having a TD exchange drawing. Also, all those who attend will receive a special one-of-a-kind gift, but I must know by March 25th! Please e-mail me if you have any questions... Let's have some fun!!! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21169 away Marcel Engels Wed 3/8/2000 2 KB From: Airwave Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 10:14 am Subject: Re: Just a reminder. Chris Richards wrote: > Hey!!! I dunno who did it, but someone quoted > nearly an entire DIGEST today!!!! That's right, > we had a 52K digest because didn't bother to > carefully edit what the quote that they're > responding to. I know. It was me who accidentally quoted the entire digest. My email program had accidentally been set to quote the entire message when no text selection was made. A faux pas. I agree. It won't happen again. Sorry everyone. AirWave. From: Steve Jenkins Date: Sat Mar 4, 2000 6:54 pm Subject: Fanzines Could I have a definitive idea of what fanzines are currently focusing on TD (for the FAQ update which I have just got around to looking at). Thanks Steve Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21128 Re: Fanzines Michael A Jean Sun 3/5/2000 3 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 12:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fanzines Steve Jenkins wrote..... Could I have a definitive idea of what fanzines are currently focusing on TD (for the FAQ update which I have just got around to looking at). If there are any TD fanzines in circulation I too would certainly be interested to hear of them since the sad demise of the superb 'Voyager'. Are we talking about web based or dare I suggest on.... paper ( the tiny Luddite pulse is beginning to beat again ). As much as I love the net until I can afford a lap-top to take to bed ( now won't that give my wife something to complain about !!! ) I miss the pleasure of turning nice glossy pages full of synth info.... ATB Phil White From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 4:45 pm Subject: little off-topic question about CD-creator Hi! Sorry, this is (a little bit) off-topic. Since years I'm doin' my CDR-covers with the programm 'Adaptec CD-Creator'. Now I have the problem, what all(!) my CD-covers are printed in the wrong orientation (PORTRAIT instead of LANDSCAPE). Is there anybody out, who is using this SW, too. I can't do trades at the moment, because ALL my covers are printed wrong! Thank you! Rainer rainer@k... ... and sorry for being off-topic --------------------------------------------------------------------- TD-page: www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 5:08 pm Subject: Re: Just a reminder (message quoting) It's not surprising that someone quoted an entire digest on this list. Actually, from among the lists I belong to, this list is among the worst for 'quoting' huge piles and not 'editing down.' One list I belong to insists that quotes be left off entirely. Boy, what a pleasure. They are just not needed! Those who quote get reprimanded with warnings, and if it continues are removed from the list. Frame your response in such a way that it is clear what you are responding to. I've said it before: When I hit a message that has a fat quote it's so hard to find the new message text amid all the quote crap that I don't even bother looking for it. That is, I simply IGNORE that message and move on, leaving that person's opinion unread. I figure if the person didn't know enough to EDIT DOWN then I'm not interested. The worst is when a quote of a quote (or more!) is piled on, with the only new message reading 'Right on!' or something. Or a whole string of argument banter. Brother! This list would benefit greatly by people just deleing EVERYTHING in the response but their own message! James Horecka, AIA, Architect From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 5:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Fanzines none that I am aware of... > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Jenkins [mailto:steve@l...] > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 12:55 PM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: [tadream] Fanzines > > > From: Steve Jenkins > > Could I have a definitive idea of what fanzines are currently focusing > on TD (for the FAQ update which I have just got around to looking at). > > Thanks > Steve > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/936/2/_/24785/_/952250326/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 7:22 pm Subject: Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper and retire!') Hi all, Dare I broach a question which must be on a lot of people's minds, after reading rumours that Edgar may retire soon... Will we continue to religiously collect Tangerine Dream's music if Edgar Froese leaves the band? I suppose it depends if we are collecting the name 'Tangerine Dream', no matter who the members are (which I suppose we've been doing up to now, except that if Edgar left, there would be no-one in the band who had gone the whole course). To be fair to Jerome, he's been in the band for 10 years now, and is perfectly capable of 'going it alone' or with someone else (that's another question, will he turn solo or keep the name, which is after all effectively a trade mark?). Apparently Edgar almost retired a few years back, but the person he chose to replace him didn't work out after all. Will he choose his successor again or will he leave that monumental decision to Jerome this time? Chris Franke was with the band for a considerable time, I wonder how many of the TD fans follow his solo career with the same religious fanaticism as they do TD? Would the situation be any different if Jerome went solo? Is the name everything, or are we less transparent than that and will we call it a day when the river runs dry? Would we continue to buy TD's music without EF because we've already been collecting this band's music for more than 20 years in some cases, or would we jump off the roller-coaster? Would EF's TD rare material become instantly more desirable and hence more expensive? I'd be interested to see people's reactions. Who's collecting the official music, who's collecting every note they ever played, who's collecting absolutely every release and who's collecting the name? If there's anyone in the latter category out there, here's a few that are exclusive to my collection... TANGERINE DREAM TANGERINE DREAM TANGERINE DREAM TANGERINE DREAM TANGERINE DREAM TANGERINE DREAM TANGERINE DREAM TANGERINE DREAM TANGERINE DREAM, TANGERINE DREAM TANGERINE DREAM, and one more for luck: TANGERINE DREAM Paul From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 7:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper and retire!') hi paul, i for one will jump off the bandwagen if Edgar leaves because i am not interested in Jerome's output. on their website it says that they are looking at a venue or venues to play this year to celebrate their 30 years as a band or a name as it were. so we know we have at least another year. i really don't think Edgar will ever retire from music. it is his life. he might retire the TD name but i am sure he would continue to score soundtracks and other things. of course judging by his solo output i could be wrong. so far i have bought everything because of the name but that is because the original founder is still there. i have also collected everything by most of the other members, ie, Baumann, Froese, Franke & Schmoelling. i don't care for Haslingers stuff. i also have alot (but not all) of Schulzes stuff if you even consider him a solo member. oh yeah, Hoenig too. the only pure input of Jeromes i can think of is the Dream Mixes and Luminous Visions which i absolutely hate. that stuff is pure garbage in my book and belongs in another catagory of music like techno or dance or some other crap. of course i know that i am stirring up a huge smell here with all the newbie johnny come lately Dream fanatics but i won't even appologise cause they weren't around to experience it from the beginning. sorry you were born too late and a dollar short. i like everything else they have put out (some more then others) up too and including GWOC so don't flag me as being only a proponent of the early years. let the flames begin cause i am sure i can burn as hot as as the rest of you. take care. tom Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21131 Re: Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch Sean Montgomery Sun 3/5/2000 2 KB 21134 Re: Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch Sean Montgomery Sun 3/5/2000 4 KB 21138 Re: TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper Brian M. Frick Sun 3/5/2000 3 KB 21135 Re: Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch tom george Sun 3/5/2000 3 KB 21137 Re: Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch tom807@a... Sun 3/5/2000 2 KB 21139 Re: Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch tom george Sun 3/5/2000 3 KB 21140 Re: Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch Brian M. Frick Sun 3/5/2000 3 KB 21142 Re: Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch tom george Sun 3/5/2000 2 KB 21156 Re: Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch aoutland@a... Tue 3/7/2000 4 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 7:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper and retire!') Ha ha! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: izyrp@o... Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 7:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper and retire!') Apparently being a workaholic that he is , I still hope that Edgar won't retire completely. Even if so, he still can bring out a TD archive material for another 20 years, since there seems to be enough of it to do so. I'm collecting the official recordings of TD as long as I can find something in this music that keeps on touching me. I even stopped collecting this stuff for some time cause I got disappointed with some albums from the end of the 80's. As long as music appeals to me in any way it can be 'even' Jerome or Franke solo, but what's in a name after all? The question might have been, was it a right decision to keep the name TD after Franke's and/or Haslinger's departure? Just in case of Edgar's retirement, bring back Franke to TD and I'm sure he and Jerome could make up a good TD-band. Zbig Paul Fellows wrote: > From: 'Paul Fellows' > > Hi all, > > Dare I broach a question which must be on a lot of people's minds, after > reading rumours that Edgar may retire soon... > > Will we continue to religiously collect Tangerine Dream's music if Edgar > Froese leaves the band? > > I suppose it depends if we are collecting the name 'Tangerine Dream', no > matter who the members are (which I suppose we've been doing up to now, > except that if Edgar left, there would be no-one in the band who had gone > the whole course). > > To be fair to Jerome, he's been in the band for 10 years now, and is > perfectly capable of 'going it alone' or with someone else (that's another > question, will he turn solo or keep the name, which is after all effectively > a trade mark?). Apparently Edgar almost retired a few years back, but the > person he chose to replace him didn't work out after all. Will he choose > his successor again or will he leave that monumental decision to Jerome this > time? > > Chris Franke was with the band for a considerable time, I wonder how many of > the TD fans follow his solo career with the same religious fanaticism as > they do TD? Would the situation be any different if Jerome went solo? > > Is the name everything, or are we less transparent than that and will we > call it a day when the river runs dry? Would we continue to buy TD's music > without EF because we've already been collecting this band's music for more > than 20 years in some cases, or would we jump off the roller-coaster? Would > EF's TD rare material become instantly more desirable and hence more > expensive? > > I'd be interested to see people's reactions. Who's collecting the official > music, who's collecting every note they ever played, who's collecting > absolutely every release and who's collecting the name? > > If there's anyone in the latter category out there, here's a few that are > exclusive to my collection... > > TANGERINE DREAM > TANGERINE DREAM > TANGERINE DREAM > TANGERINE DREAM > TANGERINE DREAM > TANGERINE DREAM TANGERINE DREAM TANGERINE DREAM TANGERINE DREAM, TANGERINE > DREAM TANGERINE DREAM, > > and one more for luck: > > TANGERINE DREAM > > Paul > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/937/2/_/24785/_/952284195/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Tomas Rydqvist Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 8:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] little off-topic question about CD-creator Hi Its not in the adaptec, the problem is in the printer setup. Caus adaptec doesn't make any different about landscape/portrait, so look in the setup and change in there.Hope you find it Totta Rainer Rutka wrote: > From: Rainer Rutka > > Hi! > > Sorry, this is (a little bit) off-topic. > > Since years I'm doin' my CDR-covers with the programm 'Adaptec CD-Creator'. > Now I have the problem, what all(!) my CD-covers are printed in the > wrong orientation (PORTRAIT instead of LANDSCAPE). Is there anybody > out, who is using this SW, too. I can't do trades at the moment, > because ALL my covers are printed wrong! > > Thank you! > > Rainer > rainer@k... > > ... and sorry for being off-topic > --------------------------------------------------------------------- TD-page: www.rutka.de/td > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/936/2/_/24785/_/952272069/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Sean Montgomery Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 8:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper and retire!') Sorry about the 'ha ha' message...I was actually about to cancel it, and hit send by mistake. Anyway, I wanted to compose a real reply. First of all, I'm sorry you don't like Jerome's 'techno' influence, Tom....because in my opinion the tracks where it has shown up represent the only TD music from the 90s worth saving...and despite the flood of TDI product over the past three years, the first Dream Mixes album remains my favourite TD album of the decade. In fact, I think the 'dance' stuff (which isn't really dance...I mean, come on, compare it with Fatboy Slim or Chemical Brothers) is more in keeping with the band's history than something like, say, Tyranny of Beauty. What attracted me to the band in the first place was it's ability to create beautiful atmospheres and driving rhythms. Cuts like Virtually Fields and Sojus do both. But everyone has their own biases. I listen to a lot of music besides TD, and compared to what other artists are doing, TD in the 90s has been dead boring. I don't like the accusation that people who started listening to TD recently have no right to a different opinion than yours. I've been a TD fan since 1983, and I still think 80% of that they've put out since 1986 has been mediocre at best. So why do I still listen? Well, partly because it's a hobby, I suppose. Having 80 TD disks that I listen to only occasionally makes about as much sense as someone who buys 100 Beanie Babies and then keeps them in vacuum sealed plastic boxes. But I think it's also because I keep holding out hope that the band will put out another great album...something really striking and adventurous like Ricochet, Tangram or Underwater Sunlight. Alas, I've been feeling this way for ten years now, and my patience has grown thin. In fact, I no longer feel compelled to get every new TDI release just because it's by TD. I'll be passing on the Tibetan thing, and Starship Trooper too (two cures for insomnia, I am sure). As for when Edgar leaves the band...I'll be curious to see what happens. I suspect that he will want to retire the TD name, but that Jerome knows the value of a good brand, and will try to keep it. Either way, I'd be curious to hear whatever Froese Jr. does. I hope he hooks up with a couple of other talented musicians and revives the more challenging TD spirit of the 70s. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21138 Re: TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper Brian M. Frick Sun 3/5/2000 3 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 9:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper and retire!') hi sean, sounds like you are more critical of recent TD then i am. and no i am sorry i don't like Jerome's techno influence. i hate techno. call me old. whatever. i don't like it. it is not original. i don't recall saying that recent arrivals to TD's music can't have their own opinions. i simply stated that i didn't like it. i wasn't speaking for you or anyone else. opinions are like a..holes....everyones got one and they all stink. i too was drawn to the Dream by their originality and beautiful atmospheres. i guess we have a differing opinion on what is driving rhythms. cause if you are talking about Jeromes techno and comparing it to early sequencer rhythms there is no comparison and the 2 are as different as the sun and the moon. i have far more than 80 of their discs and TD only takes up about 15 percent of my collection. you can call it all dust collectors and alot of the time that is what they do. i like to listen to lots of different things (although i lean to space music most of the time) and i like to hear something that i haven't heard 100 times before. i never know what i will listen to until i go in and look. that is a joy to me. now if my house were to burn down tomorrow then i am sure my priorities would change because i could never duplicate what i have now. but at least we agree on one thing. the music that radio and MTV and all things commercial spew at us on a daily basis will never be a part of our lives because we have chosen to go beyond the spoonfed masses. so let us enjoy what makes us happy. peace. tom Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: tom807@a... Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper and retire!') Very interesting. I've been listening to, and a huge fan of TD since 1975. Some of their output over the years have tested my loyalty. But I've always found something in their music that was worthwhile, and kept buying every release without even thinking about it. Although, in the late-1980s and early 1990s things started to get pretty bad on a rrelatively consistent basis. OK, I know I have offended some fans who think that this period was their best, but to me it was just getting a bit too new-age/easy listening/middle-of-the-road. Linda Spa's sax sure didn't help. Then came Jerome. And came Jerome's influence -- and if you don't think techno and its variants are big in Germany (especially Berlin), you're dead wrong. Jerome is the best thing that could have happened to TD, and has made their music sound as fresh as ever. Sorry if you don't agree with me -- but as a fan who enjoys more than just a few things in EVERY period of TD's career, I guess I'm entitled to state how their change have effected my opinion of them. Now -- as far as collecting TD -- I collect everything I can get my hands on that will enable me to hear more of TD's music. I'm not a complete-ist. There are not many instances where I have more than one copy of a certain release or issue. But if it contains music I don't have -- from any period, I have to have it. So, will I still collect TD without Edgar? Sure. It's not like the 70s or anything where I have to get a live tape of every show because they're all different. I'll buy the CDs, and go to the shows (if there are any to go to (!) ), and search out a copy of the live show. What's the big deal? But I don't think I'll walk over any hot coals to get the stuff -- the passion in me will probably not be there. Plus, I'm a sucker. If the CD said it was a new release from 'Jerome Froese' I might think about it. If it was a new release from 'Tangerine Dream' I'd buy it immediately even without Edgar. I'm such a sucker. I admit it. Tom Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21161 Re: TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch pape Paul Fellows Tue 3/7/2000 3 KB From: tom807@a... Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 9:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper and retire!') In a message dated 3/5/00 4:44:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, eloy-usa@a... writes: > i hate techno. call me old. whatever. i don't like it. it is not original. You are old. I would never confuse TD with ANY other 'techno' I've ever heard. You sound like the the old foggies on the TV shows complaining about Rock n Roll when it came out -- 'It all sounds the same!' From: 'Brian M. Frick' Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 9:52 pm Subject: Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper and retire!') Well, now this is an interesting topic, and deserves a response from me. I know I haven't said much on this list as of late, but I feel compelled to respond to this topic. I know this subject has been hashed out before, but I would still like TD to hearken back to their 70's days, with Franke-esque sequences, Edgar solos, etc... Those were the days, and the best of their output as a group. Jerome may have brought the TD sound into the 90's with his techno influence, but seriously, folks, the kid can't write a melody to save his life. I like the early TD because it DIDN'T use drums so much, but left the rhythm to the sequencing. Overuse of drums, bland sounds (my Korg X3 makes nearly 90 percent of the same sounds I hear in almost all the new TDI releases), and Jerome's lack of musical talent have destroyed the group. Their output as of late has been far from mediocre, boring, and very uninspired. Of the last 15 releases, I've enjoyed only 20% of the music at best, and even the songs I do like have me saying 'Does this song end?' They have had a tendency recently to write a catchy tune, and then cut, copy, and paste the thing over and over till I want to puke. So: my point is this. Jerome should NOT be left to decide who will replace Edgar. Edgar needs to breathe some life into his group before he leaves, and I think the only way to do that is to take the 70's sound and reinvent it. Flames and responses are most appreciated. -Brian Frick From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 10:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper and retire!') yeah tom i am old. so fu..in what. you will be to before you know it. i know what techno is. i have a 23 year old step son that plays it all the time. i know what gangsta rap is. he plays that all the time also. i subscribe to all the music mags. from RS to Spin to Mojo. so don't think i am clueless to what any style of music is. in fact i probably have some of every type in my collection. don't come out swinging at me cause i was asked my opinion. i'll play a music trivia of current artists and styles with you anytime and i'll bet dollars to donuts i win hands down. i read your first letter with respect for your opinion but when you shoot back with calling me an old foggy cause i don't like puffy hairs music then you have crossed the line of net etiquite. i am 48 years old and have a degree in music and have been an electronic and space music radio dj so please don't insult my intelligence by telling me i don't know what techno or for that matter what any other style of music is. bottom line. jeromes got alot of learning to do. Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21140 Re: Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch Brian M. Frick Sun 3/5/2000 3 KB From: 'Brian M. Frick' Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 10:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper and retire!') You know, I live in a house with 2 gay guys, and I don't think even they bitch as much as you ;-) > yeah tom i am old. so fu..in what. you will be to before you know it. i know > what techno is. i have a 23 year old step son that plays it all the time. i > know what gangsta rap is. he plays that all the time also. i subscribe to all > the music mags. from RS to Spin to Mojo. so don't think i am clueless to what > any style of music is. in fact i probably have some of every type in my > collection. don't come out swinging at me cause i was asked my opinion. i'll > play a music trivia of current artists and styles with you anytime and i'll > bet dollars to donuts i win hands down. i read your first letter with respect > for your opinion but when you shoot back with calling me an old foggy cause i > don't like puffy hairs music then you have crossed the line of net etiquite. i > am 48 years old and have a degree in music and have been an electronic and > space music radio dj so please don't insult my intelligence by telling me i > don't know what techno or for that matter what any other style of music is. > bottom line. jeromes got alot of learning to do. From: Steven Feldman Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 10:09 pm Subject: Flaming & Assholes (or is that 'Flaming Assholes'?) >Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 16:43:56 -0500 >Subject: Re: [tadream] Re : TD without EF [. . .] >From: Tangerine Dream mailing list >Really-From: 'tom george' > >[. . .] opinions are like a..holes....everyones got one and they all >stink. [. . .] Do they, now? I guess that includes yours, then. And while we're being cute, absolutest, and smug, here's *my* fave 'truism': There's an antithesis to every proverb. BFD, right? X-0 >i too was drawn to the Dream by their originality and beautiful >atmospheres. [. . .] But then, that's just your opinion, and it stinks, by virtue of everyone else having one. Groan. Sounds pretty stupid, doesn' it? -- Steven Feldman -- unhumble webmaster for the Unofficial Karen Sheperd website; see http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/shepfilm.html From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 10:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper and retire!') ha ha. well we think alike about jerome anyway brian. i live with a wife i am divorcing after 18 years of bitching so i have learned from a master. hell i have written more to this list today then i have since i joined it. time to go back to lurk mode. that is unless any more swords are thrown. :) -- On Sun, 05 Mar 2000 16:11:56 Brian M. Frick wrote: >From: 'Brian M. Frick' > >You know, I live in a house with 2 gay guys, and I don't think even they >bitch as much as you ;-) > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 10:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Flaming & Assholes (or is that 'Flaming Assholes'?) -- On Sun, 05 Mar 2000 17:09:53 Steven Feldman wrote: >From: Steven Feldman > >>Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 16:43:56 -0500 >>Subject: Re: [tadream] Re : TD without EF [. . .] >>From: Tangerine Dream mailing list >>Really-From: 'tom george' >> >>[. . .] opinions are like a..holes....everyones got one and they all >>stink. [. . .] > > Do they, now? I guess that includes yours, then. > And while we're being cute, absolutest, and smug, here's *my* fave >'truism': There's an antithesis to every proverb. BFD, right? X-0 > >>i too was drawn to the Dream by their originality and beautiful >>atmospheres. [. . .] > > But then, that's just your opinion, and it stinks, by virtue of >everyone else having one. Groan. Sounds pretty stupid, doesn' it? > > -- Steven Feldman -- unhumble > webmaster for the Unofficial Karen Sheperd website; see > http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/shepfilm.html > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates >as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees. >Apply NOW! >http://click.egroups.com/1/975/2/_/24785/_/952294687/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21144 Re: Flaming & Assholes (or is that 'Flaming Assh tom george Sun 3/5/2000 2 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 10:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Flaming & Assholes (or is that 'Flaming Assholes'?) yeah mine probably would win the award for stinking. and who the hell is karen sheperd? never mind shes ugly........just my opinion there old steven old buddy. -- >From: Steven Feldman > >>[. . .] opinions are like a..holes....everyones got one and they all >>stink. [. . .] > > Do they, now? I guess that includes yours, then. atmospheres. [. . .] >everyone else having one. Groan. Sounds pretty stupid, doesn' it? Karen Sheperd website; see > http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/shepfilm.html > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 3:24 am Subject: D:Studio [Le Parc] I don't want to make a boring track-by-track review of this album. I just want to say that this is one of the best TD albums, it's a great EM album, and maybe the best TD album in the many tracks style. My favourite tracks are: Bois de Boulogne, Central Park, Le Parc, Hyde Park and The Cliffs of Sydney. The others are very good as well. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... GFJ-Music: http://gfjm.cjb.net From: 'Frank' Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 6:56 am Subject: Abbreviations From : 'Kayleigh' Sent : Saturday March 04, 2000 Subject : How close does TD come to the US From :Michael A. Jean Subject RE :How Close < 'That last concert appearance in North America was in LA 1995 I believe'. What, Mike, you didn't learn anything from the last time you used an abbreviation? Weren't you embarrassed enough before? Just kiddin', ha ha, ha . Frank Arellano aka 'The Dreamer' Maybe I shouldn't abbreviate also known as, lest I get chewed out too, huh. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Patrik .' Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 6:09 pm Subject: [tadream] D:Studio [Le Parc] Hi gang, Short tracks, impressions of different parks and various 'green areas' around the globe. Maybe the result of a very hefty touring schedule. A lot of sampling (J. Schmoelling I guess) beautiful melodies and not too many sequencer-based tracks. I have always thought of Le Parc as a bright and melodious adventure. Tiergarten, Central Park and Streethawk are quite strong tracks IMO. Le Parc was the last studio session with Johannes Schmoelling. A question: Did they ever tour with Schmoelling after Le Parc? Kind regards Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21148 Re: D:Studio [Le Parc] Heiko Heerssen Mon 3/6/2000 3 KB 21151 Re: D:Studio [Le Parc] Patrik . Mon 3/6/2000 2 KB 21174 Re: D:Studio [Le Parc] Steven Thu 3/9/2000 3 KB 21211 Re: D:Studio [Le Parc] Synthhtnys@a... Mon 3/13/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 2:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Le Parc] Patrik . wrote: > A question: Did they ever tour with Schmoelling after Le Parc? Hi Patrik, it's sad but the Poland tour in November/December 1983 was the last with Johannes Schmoelling. There was another gig in Athens in June 1984 but I think it was actually 1983. The next tours started in March 1986 (UK) & in June 1986 (USA) which introduced Paul Haslinger as a new band member. 'Le parc' is also one of my fave albums from the 80's, very beautiful and full of interesting sounds..and 'Yellowstone Park' has become one of my most liked TD anthems of all time. Heiko > > > Kind regards > Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2121/2/_/24785/_/952352095/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Nigbur D Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 2:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper and retire!') An interesting thread you have started here, Paul. Shame about the flames and bitching. As long as the name of Tangerine Dream persists, I'm afraid I'll probably be sad enough to continue buying their stuff, to keep my collection complete if for no other reason. Against all expectations, I didn't stop collecting TD after I'd collected all FFB albums, all FFS albums, all FFH albums, etc. etc...realistically, when Edgar leaves, I won't stop collecting either. Apart from that, I don't think there will be a complete turn-around once the big man leaves anyway. Jerome has been working with the group as an official member since 1990. This makes it surprising that some people seem to get the impression that he is not an established member, and that his only input has been on the Dream Mixes. The bloke has got more TD years under his belt than Baumann, Schmoelling and Haslinger already, and is only a few short of Franke! It is therefore my impression and conviction that Jerome is a very established member of the group more than capable of continuing the TD tradition. No, I did not hold this opinion ever since he joined the band. But I do think that he has built up some real influence on the TD sound (no, not only on DM), and has - unsurprisingly, with experience - matured as a musician. As a result, the latest part of the TD output makes me quite optimistic about the future. If Goblins' Club, Oasis, Transsiberia, and Mars Polaris are as much Jerome's work as Edgar's (and I am convinced that that is so), why shouldn't Jerome's collaboration with a new member be equally as fruitful and rewarding? On the other hand, I don't think TD would be viable as a one-person show...the group has always benefited from the chemistry between its members, and I don't think even Edgar and Jerome consider it an option to let Jerome continue on his own - not because he couldn't do it, but because it would make the artisitic process a lot less interesting and challenging for him. I think it is time we gave Jerome the credit he deserves. He is the third most established member of the band, he has cultivated a very interesting and inspiring sound together with Edgar, and he appears easily capable of collaborating well with whoever is going to join him in the future. Dennis (casting a resist fire spell on himself) From: Nigbur D Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 2:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Christopher Franke's Babylon Soundtrack? > From: izyrp@o... > > Is it all good enough and worth purchasing? > [...snip...] Why don't you try to get hold of the two original symphonic collections (Babylon 5 Soundtrack Vol. 1 & 2) before getting stuck into the episodics? It will be enough of an indication of the style in which all the episodic soundtracks are going to be held. If you like these two, it may make sense to start collecting the episodics. If you don't, then there's no point. Dennis From: 'Patrik .' Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 7:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Le Parc] Heiko, thank you for the info! All I need now is a video of a FFS concert. It would be just great to see him deliver one of those solos once again! PS. Yes, I´d like to hear from any cool collectors out there, off list of course! DS :-) Patrik, Stockholm, Sweden ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'James Owens' Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 6:29 pm Subject: D:Live Ricochet Hi all, Haven't posted in a while, but this was just bursting from me. I just listened to Ricochet for the first time in several months. This is the DEFINING piece of electronic music for me. A lot of 70s TD is too meandering for my taste, but this album is without peers! Ricochet 2 is the QUINTESSENTIAL sequencer piece in my book! James From: williamsjp@t... Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 8:27 pm Subject: Any UK tour this year Having just joined the list , could I just ask, does anyone know of any plans for a UK tour this year. I know TD 'fell out' with the tour management last year. Fingers crossed. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21157 Re: Any UK tour this year craig.cordrey@g... Tue 3/7/2000 3 KB From: 'Jan Aunsholt' Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 11:38 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper and retire!') Hello all The day Edgar leaves the band, would be a truly sad day. There are no TD without Edgar. It was his idea, and TD is Edgar froese. Yes, I admit that the favorite TD-era is late 70' and early 80', and TD music from the 90' is the era that I dislike the most. Not because Jerome joined the band, but because the music have evolved into something a bit boring. Everytime I hear a TD-track from the 90' I get the feeling, OHHHH!!! this one starts out great, but after a minut or so the track becomes a mediocre track that never peaks. Everyone a this forum has they own opinion of their favorite era, and so it should be. But neither of you can deny the fact, that TD is an evolving band, what if they still made the music they did in the 70' ???, I am pretty sure most of us would have discussed why TD didn't tried something new. Who wouldn't like to see FFB or FFS together again.........I would, but Edgar has brought TD to a new place and I am pretty sure that he will, in the near future, bring TD to somewhere else. Every musician wants to try out something new, and looking at the fact that TD have had the same sound in 10 years or so, there is no doubt in my mind, that Edgar will bring a new sound to TD-music. Last I will say this: If TD-music in the 90' where so bad, why are we still buying it??????? Jan pergamon@g... From: 'Ken Mitchell' Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 6:50 am Subject: EF to retire ? Well I don't suppose the old boy (EF) can keep going forever. One of the saddest sights for me was going to an Oscar Peterson concert about three years back and seeing him wheelchaired to the stage. Boy he could still tinkle the ivories though ! First let me stake my flag - I'm on old TD diehard (Al Benson where are you ?) I'm not averse to Jerome's techno meanderings. My (much younger) girlfriend prefers them to the 70's/80's stuff I favour. The thing about the techno stuff is that it's not all that original. That's what get's my goat about TD more than anything these days. I don't want a return to the 70's and mellotron's and what have you. There are bands out there for that sort of thing and doing it rather better dare I say (step foward Redshift, RMI, Air Sculpture, UTD etc) What I would like to see is a return to genuine creativity. Something startling. Instead we are just getting the same old polished sludge over and over. After a promising start the new 'China' album rapidly descends to almost lift music territory. That bass harpsicord sample again - what's with it ? Do they get paid extra for using it or something ? A couple of years back David Bowie released some bass-n-drums stuff which surprised a lot of people with it's competency. Then I saw an interview with a Bowie fan on MTV who pointed out that Bowie was joining the bandwagon and really should have been out here doing what he has always done best - innovate. I immediatley thought of TD and drew parrallels. Perhaps EF's creative flame only flickers these days instead of roaring. Does Jerome have the creative spark of his father ? Maybe but there isn't much evidence of it yet. Perhaps the intro of a few up and coming radical keyboard/synthesists would spice things up a bit. I don't believe for one minute that there are not new and wonderful things that can be done with these instruments. I wish I had the talent to explore it. Those with the talent seem rather more keen on making muzak these days. What a shame ! Edgar - in the highly unlikely event that this ever crosses your desk ; please mate if your going to retire go out with a bang and not a Chinese whisper ! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: aoutland@a... Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 12:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re : TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper and retire!') In a message dated 03/05/2000 2:25:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, pfellows@c... writes: << Will we continue to religiously collect Tangerine Dream's music if Edgar Froese leaves the band? >> What an excellent topic and one that requires a lot of thought. I hope more will respond. In the beginning I collected the name Tangerine Dream because I could be sure the music was excellent and very much different from everything else out there. Rarely did I pay attention to the covers so for many years I listened to the music without having a clue to who the members of the band were. In fact, it wasn't until I joined the uwp list over two years ago that I was made aware of Mr Froese and the various names that have been a part of the group. Since then, however, I have been made aware of the continuing vigil to maintain this group by Mr Froese. I have learned the differences in styles contributed to by varying members, but always it was his presence that drove the vision and controlled what was released. Tangerine Dream will not be the same without him. I would hate to see him leave. I dreaded the coming of this year, thinking that very possibility might happen. That having been said though, I think it will depend on the music itself whether we continue to collect it. There are many now who have quit in disgust over the current direction. I happen to like it. If Jerome takes up the reins and begins to create his own style, it may just be exactly the new direction many have been looking for. For myself, I probably will continue to buy it. After all, I try to get everything I can get my hands on now, even solos by former members of Tangerine Dream, just because they were once honored members of the group. It just seems that once somebody has come into the charmed circle of Mr Froese, their continued artistry deserves that respect and attention. This collecting has become a sort of sickness, I know, but I came to a revelation the other day that it has a lot to do with the thrill of the hunt. Finding that special recording in a second hand shop or receiving that fan tape from a friend is extremely exciting. And I also think it has a lot to do with meeting a lot of special people that share your enthusiasm for whatever you collect. 8-) Dell From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 8:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Any UK tour this year >From: williamsjp@t... > >Having just joined the list , could I just ask, >does anyone know of any plans for a UK tour this year. >I know TD 'fell out' with the tour management last year. > >Fingers crossed. Hi Fingers, No news of _any_ tour this year to date. It does say on the TDI web-site that they are looking for a venue to hold a 30th anniversary show (anniversary of Electronic Meditation being released) but I guess that could be anywhere in the world (but probably either Berlin or London, I'd guess). -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 4:41 pm Subject: D: Le Parc Hi, did anybody of you ever consider 'Le Parc Tourism'? At the time Le Parc was released (so 1985), I hadn't been to any of the places described on it. But I started travelling soon after, and accidentially happened to come to Berlin, London, Barcelona, Paris, New York, and Sydney. And since I was so in love with TD music in general and also Le Parc in particular, I had to visit these parks and places. I knew the album by heart and had the music in my head without the need of any walkman or CD player, and I tell you I felt brilliant. I never ever had the impression the music would not fit. My favourite track is 'The Cliffs of Sydney', and I returned there last January. Love the place. Anybody of you 's got a job there for me? I'd love to settle at Maroubra Beach (hey, another TD reference...) :-) Wonder whether the seagulls on the track have been recorded 'on location'... :-) Hope LA (I've been there, but not in any park), Kyoto and Yellostone won't disappoint me either. cheers armin From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 12:14 pm Subject: GWOC cover Hi Gang, yesterday I received my copy of the 'Millennium booster'...at last! I couldn't afford it at the time it was released but now I bought what seems to be one of the very last boxes that were available.One interesting thing is that my 'Great wall of China' CD has the same front cover as the official editions that are now out for sale in the shops. I remember that the first pressing contained in the MB looked somewhat different (a white frame or something). So it seems that this first edition of 'Great Wall of China' was even more limited than 'The Keep' itself! Heiko From: Felna Greymane Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 1:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 412 >They have had a tendency recently to write a catchy tune, and then cut, >copy, and paste the thing over and over till I want to puke. I have to agree with this. Although I tend to like the early 80's the best, I don't demand they go back to that style. I think evolution is necessary. The one thing about their style I miss and would like to see return is the 'evolving' music. Music that starts with a theme that builds and then changes into something else. That ain't gonna happen in a 4-5 minute piece. The closest they come to that now is the live stuff....which I much prefer to their commercial stuff as a general rule. Dream Mixes almost made me swear off TD. Jeff Stevenson greymane@k... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 6:58 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] TD without EF (or 'light the blue touch paper and retire!') Hi all, Well, I seem to have sparked off a few fireworks when I lit the blue touch paper! Anyway, it's interesting to note that nearly all the responses have made reference to the quality of the music over the years. I have to say that from a personal point of view, if I didn't like the output of a band called Tangerine Dream without Edgar Froese, I would hesitate between buying it or not, but on the other hand I would drop it like a hot potato if I didn't like something that Jerome did as a solo project or in a group with a different name (as I have with Chris Franke for example. I enjoyed some of his early solo stuff, but soon went off it when he started to release almost as much material in a few years as TD have in 30 years!) I think it's fair to say that there's a lot in a name, but it seems that there are also a lot of people out there who would simply stop collecting TD's music if they didn't like it after Edgar left...which is fair enough, Edgar has said all along that if you don't like it, just don't buy it! So nothing will change, or will it...? By the way, I'm keeping all these long and interesting messages, perhaps I'll put them all together and publish them on my site or something... Paul From: 'Steven ' Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 1:58 am Subject: D:Studio [Le Parc] You guys (if you are still around) Go on & on...... about the 70's years. 'Siberkat, listen to the CD 40 or 50 MILLION times & you will like it!' LOL This is one of those CD's that displays the 'magic' that makes us LOVE TD!!!! I got this at Blockbuster music a few years ago. It was rewrapped & I mentaly questioned paying full price for a used CD. Of course it was TD, what would you do if you saw a TD album that you did not have, especially one released in your favorite 'period'. As an ode to my 70's remark, it did take qite a while for the CD to really grow on me. NOW it is in my top 5, (2 or 3 or so I think) Bois de Bouloogne TD with a beat! But still spacey! Classic TD build up style as well. One can flow with this tune. Central Park Feels like New York to me though I have never been. Rushing around, loud & chaotic. With a little hint of subtleness. Gaudi Park Reminiscent again of past TD sounds (I know someone said that). However the genltle yet slightly majestic melody calms the backround of the song. TIERGARTEN MY TOP 1 OR 2 SONG ON MY ALL TIME TD SONG LIST ;-) I had never really heard this side of TD. I whistle & hum the chorus all the time. Some 'fan TD website' had this as backround music. Who was it??????? Anyone know? A reafirmation of life song. gives me an overall feeling of goodness every time I listen over & over & over..... Zen Garden Spook, a wisp of a song. TD die-hards probably love it. It is OK, like a ghostly song that may or may not have been... Streethawk (I know, I know) I heard this on Dream music 2 & liked it. Was kinda shocked, supprised that it is also Le Parc. It is different though then the version on dream music, right? Jammin, TV theme type deal. Naw, I kinda like it somedays. Today for example :-) Hyde Park I know all I said about TIERGARTEN (LOVE IT!) But this is my current favorite song on this CD. I guess it IS another reafirmation of life song (what I mean is that it has its ups & downs, but the positive melody always prevails). Very simple tune, but SMASHING! LOL It feels like a story (?) Kind of orchestration type dealy. I whistle this one lately :-)..... Sorry, had to play it again The Cliffs Of Sydney To me a forshadowing of things to come. It is OK. has its moments. Yellowatone PArk More orchesrtation. Very haunting (in a new TD vane) another whisp of a song. Makes me feel melancholy (I guees it is supposed to) Very cool at times. Makes me feel good that my bannd can exprerss themselves so well on on one CD This is my love hope you all can bask in LeParc's soundfull, all encompasing aura of a true 'DREAM' see ya, siberkat np: I just got the Soundtrack to Nintendo 64's Starfox. VERY KEWL AS WELL!!!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21163 Re: D:Studio [Le Parc] joe shoults Wed 3/8/2000 2 KB From: 'joe shoults' Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 5:16 am Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Le Parc] go to http://www.tadream.net/midi.htm joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven [mailto:siberkat@b...] .... > TIERGARTEN > MY TOP 1 OR 2 SONG ON MY ALL TIME TD SONG LIST ;-) I had never > really heard > this side of TD. I whistle & hum the chorus all the time. Some 'fan TD > website' had this as backround music. Who was it??????? Anyone know? > From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 3:44 am Subject: Re: Unoriginal techno? (was 'Re: TD without EF') In a message dated 3/5/00 4:45:15 PM, eloy-usa@a... writes: >i hate techno. call me old. whatever. i don't like it. it is not original. Most of the time I try to avoid questioning other people's opinions, but this time I have to ask how you can say an entire genre is unoriginal. This isn't meant to be a flame, just a question. If, say, Juno Reactor's 'Bible of Dreams,' Orbital's 'The Middle of Nowhere' and the Orb's 'Orblivion' aren't original, why not? What is? --Daniel NP: Front Line Assembly--Implode From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 10:19 am Subject: Le Parc tourism I happened to be on my first trip to the US in autumn of 1985, when Le Parc came out. I actually bought it on tape in NY and listened to it for the first time on a bench in Central Parc. Great. Later on that trip I made it to Yellowstone, and found the music catching the athmosphere, especially around the hot spring terraces, extremely well. I already knew the Tiergarten at that time, and again the music fits perfectly, although it's even more haunting in the video. Hyde Parc didn't work for me, and I haven't yet been to the other parcs. cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 30427 Re: Le Parc tourism quarlie@a... Wed 12/5/2001 2 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 2:35 pm Subject: Homepage update hi all, I've updated my homepage. Please have a look. Main changes: Keen Auricle has lowered it's profile. Lots of downloads, but almost no interest in the products... The new rarity of the month is the german version of Peter Baumann's 'Strangers in the night' - 'Fremde in der Nacht'. Of course, there are lots of news in newstuff.txt, and also several new 'remarks and corrections' in remcorr.txt http://www.caby.de/Music cheers klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22369 Homepage update Klaus Beschorner Sun 5/7/2000 2 KB 22376 Homepage update Paul Fellows Mon 5/8/2000 2 KB 22378 Re: Homepage update Jim Moore Mon 5/8/2000 2 KB 22438 Homepage update Paul Fellows Sat 5/13/2000 2 KB 26744 Homepage update NEUMANN.H-J@t... Sun 4/15/2001 2 KB 27103 Homepage update NEUMANN.H-J@t... Sun 5/20/2001 2 KB 27108 Re: Homepage update C. Chambers Sun 5/20/2001 2 KB 28882 Homepage update NEUMANN.H-J@t... Sat 9/1/2001 2 KB 34203 Homepage update Klaus Beschorner Sun 6/2/2002 2 KB From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 4:08 pm Subject: D: Studio Le Park I have just read today's digest and I remembered that I had a 'Gramophone' cut-out about Le Park stashed away somewhere. I got it now. Before I type in the critic's review of Le Park, I want to say my personal notes on it. I bought the album in the year when it was released and I had known TD for about 4 years then. I immediately got to like it, it was very dynamic, interesting sounds, good tunes and everything. Today it is not among my favourites because I like the 'darker side' of TD: to me Le Parc is too happy now. But I still like it! (np. Bois de Boulogne - a very good start of the album). Moreover, I was able to hook my girlfriend on TD with Le Parc. She liked it very much. Since I hadn't traveled widely before: all I did was trips to granma and grampa within 100 miles :), she was discribing me the parks she had already been to and were on the album... Now I have been to Central Park, Gaudi Park, Hyde Park and Tiergarten in Berlin and just like Armin, I found the music appropriate for them... Now let's see what the critic of Gramophone had to say about Le Parc at the time of release... Unfortunately I do not have the very start of the review but it was about synthesizers in general, anyway. A photo of Schmoelling, Franke and Froese in the studio, with a caption saying: 'Creative stagnation is evident on LE PARC, an album, with little warmth and a lot of unnervingly plastic sound.' - [I wrote it before the article, just to indicate what to expect of the critic] '[...] The synthesizer became a tool of convenience when used for simulation, an enhancing accessory when used for atmospheric sheen, a source of rhythmic focus when used to accentuate the beat. Tangerine Dream, however, has chosen to continue working with the most ineffectual, limp, and downrightannoying attributes of synthesizers on LE PARC. Many of the sounds are so purely plastic that they're unnerving - there's very little warmth against which the electronic sounds can serve as synthetic highlights. there are several remarkable tones on the album, bobbing like buoys on the sea of muck; these include the delicate, feathery tones that tickle the ear on Hyde Park and the expansively breathy tones on Zen Garden which sound like they've come from a giant chrome voicebox. In the right context, the pings and drones could be evocative, or at least amusing. Here, weak arrangements and insipid, poppish melodies make the album sound like video-game sound effects on a very grand scale. A certain amount of blame can be laid on the percussion. On many songs, it's relentlessly constant, with rare variations, and usually pushed forward in the mix. In these cases a more subtle placement and a few fills and breaks might have given the music a much needed edge. The songs on LE PARC are dubbed as 'aural portraits' of various parks around the world, but not much distinguishes the different parks surveyed. With its evasive impressionism and narrow vision of the synthesizer's potential, LE PARC is, unfortunately, like a primer of what to avoid in electronic music. It's sad that trailblazers such as Tangerine Dream should be stranded on such an artistic plateau.' - written by Susan B.... (sorry, the last name is cut off) Just thought you might be interested in reading this. Of course I do not agree with her, the sounds do not sound plastic to me, and the rhythms are just right where they are in the mix. And I think the tracks are well composed. Tschuess everybody, Pal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21172 Re: D: Studio Le Park (actually sorta D:Studio [ Jared White Thu 3/9/2000 2 KB 21179 Re: D: Studio Le Park (actually sorta D:Studio [ Richard Ford Thu 3/9/2000 2 KB From: 'Jim Rasmussen' Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 5:23 pm Subject: Vinyl Sale Hey all! You might want to know I still have some vinyl left for sale/trade... 7', 12', picture-discs, soundtracks, even the odd boot ;^) Write 4 list! Cheers Jim, Sweden From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 8:36 pm Subject: away I'll be leaving Holland for one week and I'm off for a short vacation to Cyprus so I won't be around here. I'll be unsubbed for the week but you can always email me at my usual address. (hope I don't miss too much) Later! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@w... From: 'David Foster' Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 8:39 pm Subject: D:studio [Le Parc] Hi all Le Parc is a great album. My favourite track is Gaudi park. I used to play the track on slow speed on my record deck. The bass rhythms are really something. Tiergarten sounds like a link with Heartbreakers. Yellowstone has the slow ticking rhythm reminding us all of the ticking volcano underneath the park. I don't want to be around when that blows. When the record first came out I played the album to death in a car. Then more than a decade ago we chose to live without a car. After all what are your legs for. It can be done. We've managed to live without one even in the States. As regards tourism I never really thought about listening to the tracks in the individual parks. Has anyone visited all of the parks yet? How many air-miles points do you get for that? Useless fact of the day for all those wanting to listen to the tracks in the respective parks! - Europeans can make the task easy for themselves. You don't have to go to all the way to Central Park, New York. The design of Central Park, New York is modelled on Central Park, Birkenhead, UK - which is a short tube ride from Liverpool. That album sounds good even now. Have a nice day! David fozdg@d... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 11:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:studio [Le Parc] ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Foster' To: Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 8:39 PM Subject: [tadream] D:studio [Le Parc] > From: 'David Foster' > > Hi all > > Le Parc is a great album. > Useless fact of the day for all those wanting to listen to the tracks in the respective parks! - Europeans can make the task easy for themselves. You don't have to go to all the way to Central Park, New York. The design of Central Park, New York is modelled on Central Park, Birkenhead, UK - which is a short tube ride from Liverpool. > Yippee !! My Home town finally got a mention on Tadream , if the town boasts nothing else ( and it doesn't ) we do have the original plans for all the worlds public parks .Birkenhead Park used to be a fine place but has suffered over the last ten years or so from neglect . Thanks to some more private funding the park is soon to be refurbished back to what it should look like. Maybe we could get TD to play the new parks opening gig , he he he . Carl ' Orch ' From: Jared White Date: Thu Mar 9, 2000 12:22 am Subject: RE: [tadream] D: Studio Le Park (actually sorta D:Studio [Rockoon] :) ) > From: 'Szatmari, Pal' > 'Creative stagnation is evident on LE PARC, an album, > with little > warmth and a lot of unnervingly plastic sound.' And now people think it's wonderful. So just you wait -- in another five or ten years, Rockoon may become a top favorite amongst the greater TD fan base! :) Regards, Jared Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21179 Re: D: Studio Le Park (actually sorta D:Studio [ Richard Ford Thu 3/9/2000 2 KB From: 'Steven ' Date: Thu Mar 9, 2000 12:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT-JunoReactor Heya Quarlie, 'Sorry for off-topic discussion obligatory statement inserted here' How are they??? Thanks, siberkat ---------- >From: quarlie@a... > Juno Reactor's 'Bible of > Dreams,' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21178 Re: OT-JunoReactor quarlie@a... Thu 3/9/2000 2 KB From: 'Steven ' Date: Thu Mar 9, 2000 12:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Le Parc] THANKS JOE! Your the best! sibey ---------- >From: 'joe shoults' >To: >Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Le Parc] >Date: Wed, Mar 8, 2000, 12:16 AM > > From: 'joe shoults' > > go to http://www.tadream.net/midi.htm > > joe > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steven [mailto:siberkat@b...] > .... >> TIERGARTEN >> MY TOP 1 OR 2 SONG ON MY ALL TIME TD SONG LIST ;-) I had never >> really heard >> this side of TD. I whistle & hum the chorus all the time. Some 'fan TD >> website' had this as backround music. Who was it??????? Anyone know? >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2120/2/_/24785/_/952493713/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: Tomas Rydqvist Date: Thu Mar 9, 2000 1:32 am Subject: Cover art Hi Can anyone help me to get my hands on the front and back cover to these records?? TD : Reims cathedral 13-12/74 TD : Pop D'orange 16-8/75 Ill need quality pics , so if you can help me, contact me. Thanks in advance Totta Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 29537 Re: Cover art quarlie@a... Tue 10/16/2001 3 KB 29538 Re: Cover art Heiko Heerssen Tue 10/16/2001 2 KB From: 'Thomas' Date: Thu Mar 9, 2000 1:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Studio Le Park > From: 'Szatmari, Pal' > > 'Creative stagnation is evident on LE PARC, an album, with little warmth and a lot of unnervingly plastic sound.' Isn't this what makes this whole mailing list interesting, because I (of course) think the exact opposite! :o) I think that Le Parc is actually the last of TD's really inventive albums, and I have had some wonderful experiences listening to this music. Since the tracks are woven together the whole CD could be regarded as two really long tracks, sort of like the old Virgin albums (not counting a few). I have actually recorded my LP this way to a CDR, and I think it works better that way. I don't just get the feeling of whichever park och place they are trying to describe, but I also get to travel between them ;o) Bonus! I think the reason why I love Le Parc so much, is because it's the album that got me hooked on TD a bunch of years ago. Actually it was the title track that did the trick. I just sat in my sofa and was blown away by the energy, power and creativity; hadn't heard anything like it. That was 1994, six years ago, and I have since been on a mission to seek the same experience in all of their other albums. Finding them has not been easy always, but I've managed to get my hands on plenty of them. Still I regard LeParc as one of their greatest albums ever. This album is given a weekly spin, and each and every time it's refreshing to hear. No weak spots (but I used to think Zen Garden was a little out of place, snapped out of that thankfully). Just pure and beautiful Tangerine Dream. Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21187 Re: D: Studio Le Park Nigbur D Fri 3/10/2000 2 KB From: Michael V Miller Date: Thu Mar 9, 2000 3:25 am Subject: new member Hi, I am new to this list and have been a TD fan since 1991. I heard a small clip from the Reims Cathederal and would like to know if there is a cd available and where I can get it. I am from Allentown, PA USA. Thanks, Mike 'The LORD said to me that He loved me. I asked 'How much?' He said, 'This much.' and streached out His arms and died on a cross for me.' ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: quarlie@a... Date: Thu Mar 9, 2000 6:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT-JunoReactor In a message dated 3/8/00 8:16:18 PM, siberkat@b... writes: >'Sorry for off-topic discussion obligatory statement inserted here' > > >How are they??? (insert apology for replying to, thereby continuing, the aforementioned off-topic discussion here) The Juno Reactor album I mentioned, 'Bible of Dreams,' is a bizarre yet inspired blend of spacey trance/techno and African percussion, with bits of progressive rock influence thrown in upon occasion. Simultaneously intense and atmospheric (though TD fans are used to that). The two albums that came before it lack the African drums but are still mostly genius. It's all much more varied and clever (not to mention melodic) than the standard 'thump bzzt thump bzzt thump bzzt' that often characterizes trance music. Oh, and 'Pistolero,' the first single from JR's upcoming album, has a bunch of western movie samples and live Flamenco guitar. So it looks like they plan on continuing to be strange. --Daniel NP: Gong and Friends--You Remixed From: Richard Ford Date: Thu Mar 9, 2000 8:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Studio Le Park (actually sorta D:Studio [Rockoon] :) ) In message , Jared White writes >From: Jared White > >> From: 'Szatmari, Pal' > > >> 'Creative stagnation is evident on LE PARC, an album, >> with little >> warmth and a lot of unnervingly plastic sound.' > >And now people think it's wonderful. So just you wait -- in another five >or ten years, Rockoon may become a top favorite amongst the greater TD >fan base! :) I think not. Those sort of miracles just don't happen in real life -- Richard Ford http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk From: 'Thomas' Date: Thu Mar 9, 2000 8:24 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] D: Studio Le Park (actually sorta D:Studio [Rockoon] :) ) > From: Richard Ford > > >From: Jared White > > > > >From: 'Szatmari, Pal' > > > > > > 'Creative stagnation is evident on LE PARC, an album, with little warmth and a lot of unnervingly plastic sound.' > > > > >And now people think it's wonderful. So just you wait -- in another five or ten years, Rockoon may become a top favorite amongst the greater TD fan base! :) > > I think not. Those sort of miracles just don't happen in real life * Miracle Mile?? :o) Thomas From: 'joe shoults' Date: Thu Mar 9, 2000 10:34 pm Subject: tadream.net EM shop! We've set up an EM store at www.tadream.net, including a greeeaaat selection of titles! Go to the homepage for the link. We feature secure online shopping, audio samples, and all items are discounted 10%. For now, we have the following EM and instrumental artists (as well as many collaborations between them) listed across three categories: Electronic, New Age, Instrumental: Tangerine Dream (of course!) Klaus Schulze Paul Haslinger Bill Laswell Pete Namlook Chris Franke Michael Hoenig Brian Eno Tomita Popol Vuh Ashra Jean-Michel Jarre William Orbit Harold Budd Steven Halpern Henry Kaiser Wendy Carlos System 7 Patrick O'Hearn Kraftwerk Cluster Cluster & Eno Roger Eno Tetsu Inoue Rainer Bloss Eno/Moebius/Roedelius Bernie Krause Hearts of Space and other Compilations Other artists may be added in the future. for the most part, I have only listed the music on CD. If you want me to add cassettes, let me know. also, if you want me to add groups (i.e. Gong, Synergy, Paul Horn, etc.), let me know. In fact, any feedback is welcome, so thanks in advance! joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21206 Site update, questions. PLEASE READ (Rainer) Rainer Rutka Sun 3/12/2000 3 KB 23901 Site update (Golden Collection 2000 and much more Rainer Rutka Sat 9/9/2000 2 KB From: Tomas Rydqvist Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 1:57 am Subject: Cover Hi again folks. I didnt get one singel answer to my last mail so i try again. Pleas help me if you can, Front and back cover to these two records, i got the cd but i miss the cover. Tangerine dream: reims cathedral Tangerine dream : Pop d'orange Thanks in advance Totta From: 'kayleigh' Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 4:29 am Subject: Favor-request Hey there all. I'd like to possibly ask a favor/question if it isn't too much? I'd added a few live gigs to my collection awhile ago, and didn't have the chance to get a setlist/track listing. AND even having that doesn't do me much good as I'm still new at this stuff and learning more daily (THANKS to everyone on here who's been so helpful, it's so much appreciated), BUT by chance would anyone happen to have the setlists of two live gigs that you could provide me? If so, e-mail me off the list please. I'm just trying to patch together a few Cd cases that I have and would like to know what I'm listening to. The gigs are as follows: Olympia, Paris 03/31/86 Dominion, London, England 11/06/82 These both are so good they sound like they were possibly official releases or something close to it? IF so, great, point me the way, if not, anyone???? I'd appreciate all the help I can get. THANKS! again, e-mail me off the list, AND while I'm at it, I want to make sure I'm not breaking any rules/violating any list policies by asking about stuff like this? Anyone help me out to make sure I'm not asking/requesting something that I should not post openly? Some lists are different I Know. thanks. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://www.modempool.com/kayleigh Crack A Smile - THE Online Poison Mailing List TheTradingCircle - An Online CDR Trading Network! ICQ#1247205 - AOL IM: Tootiehoot2 - Firetalk# 581211 Yahoo Pager: kayleigh_tootiehoot Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21186 Re: Favor-request joe shoults Fri 3/10/2000 2 KB From: 'kayleigh' Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 4:30 am Subject: One last request Sorry about this folks. The last one was New Haven, Connecticut, 09/09/88 if anyone has a setlist/track listing of THAT gig? It's two Cds. Thanks! (The other two shows I'd requested were also two Cd shows, so not sure if that helps or not) again, apologies to those who don't want to read this, and thanks to anyone who can help out. I appreciate it greatly. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://www.modempool.com/kayleigh Crack A Smile - THE Online Poison Mailing List TheTradingCircle - An Online CDR Trading Network! ICQ#1247205 - AOL IM: Tootiehoot2 - Firetalk# 581211 Yahoo Pager: kayleigh_tootiehoot From: 'marc todd' Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 12:40 pm Subject: Off Topic: RMI/UtD gig Hi Everyone, Sorry for the off topic, but I'd like to read comments on Saturdays RMI/Under the Dome gig by those who will attend. Is there another EM list I can subscibe to for this? Please email me off list, thank you. Cheers! Marc ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'joe shoults' Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 6:33 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Favor-request Please post these setlists on-list, as well, if you can respond to Dan. I suppose that when we get around to doing a D:Boots series that these setlists will be covered more thoroughly, but we might as well list them for future reference in the archives. joe > -----Original Message----- > From: kayleigh [mailto:kayleigh@m...] ... > the chance to get a setlist/track listing. AND even having that doesn't do ... > Olympia, Paris 03/31/86 > Dominion, London, England 11/06/82 ... > dan > From: Nigbur D Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 11:26 am Subject: RE: [tadream] D: Studio Le Park > From: 'Szatmari, Pal' > > Just thought you might be interested in reading this. Of course I do not > agree with her, the sounds do not sound plastic to me, and the rhythms are > just right where they are in the mix. And I think the tracks are well > composed. > It does sound a bit more 'plastic' to me than the albums before and after it. I think the author of this article has a point in many ways, although she is putting it far too bluntly. 'Le Parc' has got some beautiful and well composed tunes - 'Hyde Park' being my favourite - but lacks a lot of the depth other works have. It could, of course, be argued that the style is intentionally airy to emphasise the impressionist nature of the concept album...but the CD as a whole doesn't do a lot for me. Dennis From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 12:25 pm Subject: D: Studio Le Parc I have very, very fond memories of this album because I remember it in conjunction with the time period when I began to work with keyboards and synthesizers, so this was on my turntable a lot.... I still like this album It holds up well for me where some haven't in retrospect... It rocks concisely which isn't a description of the majority of TD up to this point.. But they do it well here IMHO....they seemed to intersect with a type of technopop and progressive style. Gaudi park sounds heavily influenced by Froese. Tiergarten I could live without.... Kind of 'music boxy... I also had a problem with the Marching band flute section of Tangram but it's still one of my favorites.... Le Parc (Streethawk) is a standout cut for me this one always gets me pumped up... I also like the seque into Hyde Park... I disagree with the verdict about this album being 'Plastic' I think it's clean and cold... digital... The sound was very top notch for the time... It reminds me of early Private Music label releases..... very cold and precise.... but starkly beautiful.... (then comes yellowstone) OH NO!!!! THE DREADED SHAKUHACHI PATCH!!!!!!!! oh deadly stamp of '80's keyboard music GAK! OK, ok it's getting better the rhodes piano melody is a great moment very classy.... just some impressions Poly Paul Ellis / Secret Fire Music Synthhtnys@a... New solo album: Appears to Vanish (solo) Member: Dweller at the Threshold http://threshold.opb.org From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 6:14 pm Subject: Letterman TD Music Sighting Interesting sidebar: If you go to the David Letterman Late Show Home Page (http://www.cbs.com/network/tvshows/mini/lateshow/) open the Dave TV viewer (you'll need Real Player), and select 'Paul Shaffer: Behind the Music'. There's a small piece from the NEAR DARK soundtrack playing in the background at the beginning. Now back to the music at hand... - jim From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Mar 11, 2000 12:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Le Parc tourism > From: Klaus Beschorner > > I happened to be on my first trip to the US in autumn of 1985, when > Le Parc came out. I actually bought it on tape in NY and listened > to it for the first time on a bench in Central Parc. Great. Later > on that trip I made it to Yellowstone, and found the music catching > the athmosphere, especially around the hot spring terraces, extremely > well. The Parc tour sounds cool. Last time I was at Central Park (showing my wife NYC) a nice lady on high heels and dressed in a mini-skirt sat next to us on the bench - but this lady was a man of course. Anyone recall Jeff Bridges in 'Thunderbolt & Lightfoot'? - that was the exact picture. To each his own I guess.. Vic From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Mar 11, 2000 1:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] away - Okefenokee > From: 'Marcel Engels' > > I'll be leaving Holland for one week and I'm off for a short vacation > to Cyprus so I won't be around here. > I'll be unsubbed for the week but you can always email me at my usual > address. > (hope I don't miss too much) Have a good trip Marcel. I look forward to seeing you at The Swamp. I think we will need a 220 Volt to 110 converter. Any donations will be appreciated. I will be responding to all the prospect attendees this weekend to make a firm confirmation. For those that have sent e-mails to me about the event, please be patient - a response will be out by the end of this weekend. Some quick highlights again.. 1. At least 2 EM musicians (Marcel Engels & Dave Brewer) will perform original music for us. 2. TDI will try to get 'Tang-go' CDs to us in time for the event - not for free though, so you will have to purchase them. 3. My wife will make a special TD mug for all that attend (right Dear?). Now, I have to work on the 3AM swamp cruise thing .. this will take some effort :-) See you soon. I will publish a list of all attendees within the next few days. Also, for those that plan to attend, I hope you can bring some TD item(s) for a raffle. Some rare ones will also be offered. Oh, and don't forget an umbrella! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21193 Re: away - Okefenokee Jared White Sat 3/11/2000 2 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Mar 11, 2000 2:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] new member Hi Michael, Welcome to this list. > From: Michael V Miller > > Hi, > > I am new to this list and have been a TD fan since 1991. I heard a small > clip from the Reims Cathederal and would like to know if there is a cd > available and where I can get it. I am from Allentown, PA USA. > > Thanks, > Mike > > 'The LORD said to me that He loved me. I asked 'How much?' > He said, 'This much.' and streached out His arms and died > on a cross for me.' There is a CD bootleg titled 'Live! Improvised' that captures this event. But this was not a religious event at all. As a matter of fact, TD was banned by the cardinal (or Pope?) from playing in Cathedrals after this event due to the rowdy folks that attended. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21198 Re: new member aoutland@a... Sat 3/11/2000 2 KB From: Jared White Date: Sat Mar 11, 2000 6:24 am Subject: RE: [tadream] away - Okefenokee > From: Vic Rek > > > From: 'Marcel Engels' > > > > I'll be leaving Holland for one week and I'm off for a > short vacation > > to Cyprus so I won't be around here. > > I'll be unsubbed for the week but you can always email me > at my usual > > address. > > (hope I don't miss too much) > > Have a good trip Marcel. I look forward to seeing you at The Swamp. I > think we will need a 220 Volt to 110 converter. Any donations will be > appreciated. Hey, why don't you call that live CD you'll be recording there... '110 Volt Live'. Jared :) From: izyrp@o... Date: Sat Mar 11, 2000 10:44 am Subject: Great Wall of China Here are my another dilettantic 25 pence to argue upon: Yesterday I gave first listening to 'Great Wall of China' and after reading at least one very negative opinion about it , I was more than very positively surprised. In fact I'm enthusiastic about light-handed arrangements and sounds, beautiful convincing melodies and so forth.Still they managed to use some 'modern', techno influences, being one of a few, who don't keep on repeating themselves. For today remains the Wall my fave TD album of the 90's, right after Mars, of course, and one of my fave TD soundtracks, right after Sorcerer, obviously. If I were to write a review I'd end this with a sentence claiming that TD are like the old wine... Or is it only me? Zbig Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21212 new collectors item found! Rainer Rutka Mon 3/13/2000 2 KB 22190 Great Wall of China Owens, James E Thu 4/27/2000 2 KB 22196 Re: Great Wall of China Nigbur D Fri 4/28/2000 3 KB 22197 Auction of TD, Schulze and related CD's Kees Fri 4/28/2000 2 KB From: 'Frank Stephen' Date: Sat Mar 11, 2000 8:03 pm Subject: Stuff for sale Hello Tadreamers, I hope this does not ruffle feathers, as I am new to the list and don't know all the rules yet. I currently have some tapes for sale, that I have no use for any longer. There are a couple of TD concerts and some rare Jean-Michel Jarre concerts and other stuff, rare Mike Oldfield concerts and some Vangelis soundtracks and concerts. They are all stuff I got in trades and are of good to excellent quality. They are all on chrome tapes. My only reason for selling is to recoup the price of the original tape. I am not looking to get into a bidding war and do not want to gouge the price. I only look to pass these tapes onto others who have no source of getting them. If I don't sell them I will have to throw they away and that would be a waste. If you are interested please e-mail me for a list. First come, first served. Thanks for your attention. Frank fstephe@a... From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Mar 11, 2000 5:05 pm Subject: Discussion Week 26 - Sunday 12th March 2000 This week brings us to 2 more soundtracks. The Park Is Mine, and Legend. Please make your subject read 'D:Soundtrack [The Park Is Mine]' or 'D:Soundtrack [Legend]' as appropriate when posting reviews and comments. Look forward to reading them.... Regards, Lawry Simm lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: jowers Date: Sat Mar 11, 2000 5:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Stuff for sale Send me your list and I'll see if there's anything I'm interested. Let me know how much you're thinking of selling them for. Thanks, Kevin kvjower@i... >I currently have some tapes for sale, that I have no use for any longer. >There are a couple of TD concerts and some rare Jean-Michel Jarre concerts >and other stuff, rare Mike Oldfield concerts and some Vangelis soundtracks >and concerts. They are all stuff I got in trades and are of good to >excellent quality. They are all on chrome tapes. My only reason for >selling is to recoup the price of the original tape. I am not looking to >get into a bidding war and do not want to gouge the price. I only look to >pass these tapes onto others who have no source of getting them. If I don't >sell them I will have to throw they away and that would be a waste. If you >are interested please e-mail me for a list. First come, first served. >Thanks for your attention. > >Frank >fstephe@a... > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates >as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees. >Apply NOW! >http://click.egroups.com/1/975/2/_/24785/_/952794813/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21200 Re: Stuff for sale Nigelsan@a... Sat 3/11/2000 1 KB From: aoutland@a... Date: Sat Mar 11, 2000 6:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] new member In a message dated 03/09/2000 12:25:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, RyanKCR@J... writes: << From: Michael V Miller Hi, I am new to this list and have been a TD fan since 1991. I heard a small clip from the Reims Cathederal and would like to know if there is a cd available and where I can get it. >> Welcome, Mike. And if anyone replies to this privately, I hope they will do the same for me. 8-) Dell From: aoutland@a... Date: Sat Mar 11, 2000 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Favor-request In a message dated 03/10/2000 1:40:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, shoults@s... writes: << I suppose that when we get around to doing a D:Boots series that these setlists will be covered more thoroughly >> Since the word 'boots' can stir up sensitivities, I suggest you use the term 'fan tapes' instead when you start that series. There is a big difference in the meaning that, to my knowledge, is the difference between illegal and not illegal. Thanks to Scott for making me aware of that. 8-) Dell From: Nigelsan@a... Date: Sat Mar 11, 2000 8:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Stuff for sale send me a list to nigelsan@a... From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Sun Mar 12, 2000 1:03 am Subject: RMI - UTD Just to say thanks to all the people who attended this evening the RMI -UTD concert at Jodrell Bank Observatory in the UK . Thanks for coming forward and introducing yourselves ( NOT ) Remind me to reciprocate the gesture one day . Very Pissed Orch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21205 Re: RMI - UTD crjc Sun 3/12/2000 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sun Mar 12, 2000 2:26 am Subject: SV: [tadream] RMI - UTD Hey, This reminds me - is there anyone here who would like to write a review from the concert for Emusic ( http://w3.to/_emusic )? Jarre forever! Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Emusic http://w3.to/_emusic From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Sun Mar 12, 2000 8:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RMI - UTD > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Just to say thanks to all the people who attended this evening the RMI -UTD > concert at Jodrell Bank Observatory in the UK . > Thanks for coming forward and introducing yourselves ( NOT ) > Remind me to reciprocate the gesture one day . > > Very Pissed Orch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey Carl, i would have said Hi, but i don't know what you look like ? it works the other way too you know, ......maybe *if* i manage to get to the Santana gig, we can arrange to meet up, or even the next jodrell gig, at the very least let people know what your wearing, otherwise know one will know you from Adam. Nick btw, for those that didn't go it was a great night, both UTD & RMI were excellent ! Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21208 Re: RMI - UTD Carl & Jacqui Kearney Sun 3/12/2000 2 KB From: Glynn Naughton Date: Sun Mar 12, 2000 4:25 pm Subject: TD tourism >Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:41:06 GMT > From: Armin Theissen >Subject: D: Le Parc > >Hi, > >did anybody of you ever consider 'Le Parc Tourism'? > >At the time Le Parc was released (so 1985), I hadn't been >to any of the places described on it. But I started >travelling soon after, and accidentially happened to >come to Berlin, London, Barcelona, Paris, New York, and >Sydney. And since I was so in love with TD music in general >and also Le Parc in particular, I had to visit these parks >and places. I knew the album by heart and had the music in >my head without the need of any walkman or CD player, and >I tell you I felt brilliant. I never ever had the impression >the music would not fit. As I seem to spend quite a bit of time in that part of the world, I've often thought of doing a 'Pacific Coast Highway' tour. As we all know, Edgar and Chris are obsessed with California, and there are millions of TD-related places to visit there. Having said that, my 'tourism' is a bit too eccentric to get around to the standard places. For example: at about 2am, handing out sandwiches and clean needles to drug-addicted transsexual prostitutes (in the company of a former-rent-boy-turned-Episcopalian priest) in the Tenderloin district of San Francisco. Or riding around high-crime areas in a car with the LA police ('In the event that I should become incapacitated, press this button to release the shotgun'). Although, judging by recent revelations, you can't get much more high-crime that the LA police themselves... Glynn From: 'crjc' Date: Sun Mar 12, 2000 7:28 pm Subject: Re: RMI - UTD > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > Subject: RMI - UTD > > Just to say thanks to all the people who attended this evening the RMI -UTD > concert at Jodrell Bank Observatory in the UK . > Thanks for coming forward and introducing yourselves ( NOT ) > Remind me to reciprocate the gesture one day . > > Very Pissed Orch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gee, if I'd known it meant so much to you, I would have made a bigger effort! 8-)) I walked straight passed Nick and his (wife, girlf-friend? doesn't matter) in the pub - he had to shout at me in the break between UTD and RMI at JB. I was always looking for a white English rugby shirt - didn't see one. Sorry. Going to Arcane and Paul Nagle next month? Maybe we should get those carnations ordered! Craig R. J. Cordrey From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Mar 12, 2000 9:27 pm Subject: Site update, questions. PLEASE READ (Rainer) Hi to all my friends outside! Just a info, what I updated my TD site today. Lots of new pictures, singles and souveniers. And I hope the page is faster now. I reduced the size of some of the images. Question: Do you have rare(!) concert photos? I want to create a page with some (not too much) very good(!) concert photos you'll not find on any other page. But this is just an idea. See the NEW-section for 2 photos I got last week. Something to all my trading partners outside: Sorry I'm late. But I have some troubles in printing covers. I use the Adaptec CD-Crator DeLuxe 3.5c. And since one(!) week I can't print my covers. All are printed in the wrong orientation. The software is ignoring all printersetups in Windows/NT and is defaulting to his own (this is LANDSCAPE instead of PORTRAIT). So all my covers are cutted if I want to print. No help from adaptec so far! If you have any ideas - please help me, I'm in troubles. Warning: The jewel-case and lable programm from CD-Creator 4.01 is not(!) compatible to the version 3.5c. If you buy this - you'll loose all your older work! Adaptec will NOT make any conversation programms. Keep your fingers off the terrible programm (and it's very 'buggy', too)! They do this sh... every time they make a major updates (2.n to 3.n to 4.n)! Just to keep all you you warned!!!!! Rainer rainer@k... --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23901 Site update (Golden Collection 2000 and much more Rainer Rutka Sat 9/9/2000 2 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Sun Mar 12, 2000 11:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: RMI - UTD ----- Original Message ----- From: 'crjc' To: Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 7:28 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: RMI - UTD > From: 'crjc' > > > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > Subject: RMI - UTD > > > > Just to say thanks to all the people who attended this evening the > RMI -UTD > > I was always looking for a white English rugby shirt - didn't see one. Hi Craig sorry my friend for the kinda hate mail I just read what I sent last night , very nasty of me , I guess its lack of sleep worked almost 24 hrs straight so I could attend the gig . Finished work at 6.15 last night just enough time to shower and howl down the M6 to Jodrell ,I just made it . You were right about UTD I enjoyed the set a great deal but as for RMI , MMMM !!! not my scene unfortunatly . Hey see you at next months gig and I will make more of an effort to make the boozer. Best regards Carl . From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Sun Mar 12, 2000 11:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RMI - UTD ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Glenn Folkvord' To: Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 2:26 AM Subject: SV: [tadream] RMI - UTD > From: 'Glenn Folkvord' > > Hey, > > This reminds me - is there anyone here who would like to write a review from the concert for Emusic ( http://w3.to/_emusic )? > Hi Glenn well I can sum it up quite easily UTD were superb and RMI were I guess great to but there style of music just does not appeal to me . I reckon that a few of the list members that attended would be able to give a much more non bias account of the gig as well as having a more journalistic bent than I have. Best regards ' Orch ' From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon Mar 13, 2000 5:53 am Subject: D:Studio [Le Parc] From what I've heard so far, the Blue Years aren't my favorite period in TD's history. It's not that the music is bad, but I don't really think it compares to the incredible stuff that Froese, Franke and Schmoelling produced from 1980 to 1983. It's kind of hard for me to get enthusiastic about it. This album doesn't seem to be as layered and 'deep' as its Virgin Years predecessors, which limits the length at which I can describe its tracks ('there was much rejoicing'). --- 1. Bois de Boulogne (Paris) This track features a quirky, robotic beat and a neat pitch-bending synth line. A synth-string chord progression soon develops (and recurs occasionally throughout the track), along with some accompanying chords strongly reminiscent of 'Pilots of Purple Twilight.' There's a break from the tension soon after 2:00, highlighting the strings again, and then the track reverts to its original form. It breaks down around 4:15, and a vaguely oboe-like sound features prominently in the outro. Rather good, though not quite up to the Virgin Years standard, in my opinion. --- 2. Central Park (New York) Though I haven't been to Central Park (or most of these places, for that matter), this track does capture the frenetic pace commonly associated with New York City. It does not, however, reflect the inflated costs also commonly associated with said city. As for the music, it's packed with catchy melodies and erratic beats. I particularly like the powerful basslines, as well as that xylophone-like sound that pops up about two minutes in. It's a fairly short track, but not unreasonably so. It might start to outlast its welcome if it went on much longer. --- 3. Gaudi Park (Guell Garden, Barcelona) This is a rather Anthemic(tm) piece with a lot of cool echoey background noises and a beat that relies entirely on toms. Like 'Bois de Boulogne,' it's worth its running time, but it's no 'Cinnamon Road' (to pick a random example). --- 4. Tiergarten (Berlin) A soft, pleasant piano-driven melody, some subtle strings, and a gently propul sive sequence. It's very attractive but too short. Another section would have been nice. --- 5. Zen Garden (Ryoanji Temple, Kyoto) The environmental sounds that open the track are nice, but the music doesn't hold my interest. It tries to be atmospheric, but it doesn't quite pull it off. Do I hear a few hints of 'Legend' in this, though? --- 6. Le Parc (L.A./Streethawk) It starts with a jet engine whoosh, and then the music suddenly kicks in. I've been to Los Angeles, and I don't recall it sounding much like this. For one thing, there was more traffic noise. However, it is a rather enjoyable track, with a heavy beat and a nice effervescent sequence. It's perhaps a little cheesy, but that hardly ever bothers me. Note the cool whoosh effect at about 2:05. Straight out of 1982. A repeating camera click appears as the track winds down, leading into... --- 7. Hyde Park (London) This is one of my favorite tracks on the album, with a vaguely funky beat and more catchy melodies. Kind of like 'Central Park' on a slow day. Not much else to say, really. --- 8. The Cliffs of Sydney The thing that really stands out to me about this track is the neat flurry of toms that recurs in every other measure. Beyond that, it vaguely reminds me of 'Dominion' for some reason. Some highlights are the upbeat sequence appearing a few seconds before 3:30, and the seagulls. You wouldn't really know it from my description, but I like this track quite a bit. Possibly my second favorite track of the album. --- 9. Yellowstone Park (Rocky Mountains) By coincidence, my three favorite tracks appear at the end of the album. This is unquestionably my #1 choice among them, and it also happens to be the only one besides the title track whose associated place I've been to. I admit that it doesn't sound much like Yellowstone to me. I hear no buffalo or boiling mud pits. However, what I do hear is preferable to buffalo and boiling mud pits. It's great from start to finish (except perhaps for that recurring sample that first appears at the very beginning--shakuhachi, someone said? Brings back unimpressed memories of Enigma's first album). The chord progression and the beat that soon appear are determined and driving without being inappropriately dark, and Clare Torry's non-verbal vocal performance is excellent. The sum of these elements is majestic, ethereal, and generally wonderful. Oh, and I like the orchestra tuning sound. --- Well, it's a good album. The compositions are good, the production is good, and there's a fair amount of variety. But I can't get into it the way I can 'White Eagle' or its ilk. There's just not as much happening. I'm glad I have it, but it's more for an occasional listen than a steady place in the rotation. --Daniel NP: Delerium--Spheres From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Mon Mar 13, 2000 9:41 am Subject: UtD & RMI @ JB Hi Folks, Sorry for the 'spammy' nature of this post, apologies if you get this more than once. A few thoughts on the Under the Dome and Radio Massacre International shows at Jodrell Bank this past weekend. I am certainly biased as far as Under the Dome is concerned - everything I've heard so far has been great and I personally love that mix of 'old-style' TD sequencers and 'soundscapes' with actual melodies - something that many 70s TD-esque bands seem to miss, IMHO. I thought Grant looked a little 'lonely' out front on his own - his small, dual-keyboard (and CD-player 8-)) setup was made to look more impressive when seen against the backdrop of RMI's Moogs, Mellotron and other flashing bits. I thought the 'performance' was far more assured that his first two or so years ago - he looked more relaxed and seemed to find it difficult to control his head - it was bopping about all over the place. The sound was superb - VERY loud Mr. Nagle, sir, really pushing the limits of the PA and my ears. Strangely, though, no ringing afterwards unlike other loud concerts I've been to. I choose a much better position to sit in than last time - more central so I think I benefited from the stereo and acoustics quite well - I knew sitting near Mr. Sawford was a good idea. 8-) The set was a mix of old and new material. Being very familar with the new material, I like the way Grant uses different lead voices for his live melodies compared with the album ones. There's also a fair bit of 'improv' within the bounds of the main 'melody' (well, it seems to be improv, maybe it's just well rehearsed). I picked out most of the pieces, I think. Segments from The Aeons Day and Hell, of course, yet another version of Flussiger-vier Takter 8-)), was The Bridge there Grant? I also sort of recognised The Long Rain and another piece (Drift?) as the new material. This was my second JB show and like the first where Paul Nagle (Far from Stars) played Ricochet part 2, so Grant's encore was another TD classic - Choronzon benefited from the UtD treatment. Perhaps Jerome should listen to this type of re-interpretation - not just the original with a beat but new sounds, new tempo just the same lead melody. Here, I detected the only slight mistake of the UtD set - a little too eager to get into the final 'chorus'. All in all, an excellent set, with great sounds, a very good sound in the venue and a great representation of the material I already knew. Just as I am very familiar with Under the Dome, so am I very _Un_familiar with Radio Massacre International - I think I have one track on an SMD compilation that didn't make me rush out and buy all their albums. The bottom line is, the show didn't make me want to buy all their albums either. RMI have an impressive array of equipment, and they seem to know how to use it in the main, but (IMO) there is a lack of ideas there. Every 'track' comprised the same format - set up a sequence (some improv, some pre-planned) play around it a little, a bit of Mellotron, a bit of wierd guitar and then on to the next one. When I say they 'played' around the sequence, I don't mean they tweaked it, developed it, subtly changed it in the way that I used to marvel at with TD. (Best recent example is Arc's Octane album, IMO). No, they just seemed to let it play along for 5 minutes, then make a minor change and carry on. Everyone else (except Carl) has commented that they liked the RMI segment, so I must be missing something. I kept waiting for the track to go somewhere, have a purpose, have a climax, describe something, but it did none of these for me. All in all, an interesting and worthwhile night out. Despite not being carried away with the RMI music, it was interesting to see them at work, and seeing a real live Mellotron being used. The UtD set saved the night, as well as meeting a number of old (and new) faces. The next JB show is Arcane and Paul Nagle, 22nd April. Look forward to seeing you all there again. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Mar 13, 2000 10:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Le Parc] In a message dated 3/13/2000 10:11:55 AM !!!First Boot!!!, quarlie@a... writes: << Though I haven't been to Central Park (or most of these places, for that matter), this track does capture the frenetic pace commonly associated with New York City. It does not, however, reflect the inflated costs also commonly associated with said city. >> *You haven't bought many Synthesizers, have you? ;-) Poly From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon Mar 13, 2000 7:50 pm Subject: new collectors item found! Hi! I got a new collectors item for all the TD-hunters! Did you saw the video-clip from the german solar eclipse on the official TD homepage? This clip and more(!) are on a CD called 'Sonnenfinsternis / Solar Eclipse 1999'. All with music by Tangerine Dream! Including the TDI logos and links the the pages. You'll find some pictures on: www.rutka.de -> NEW What do you think about it? Funny, isn't it! ... and it's a nice CD btw.. Great films, pictures and music (of course). Rainer rainer@k... --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Mon Mar 13, 2000 10:19 pm Subject: Digest 403 Seems I missed this one. Can anyone forward it to me please? Seems the onelist archive format has changed, and I can no longer get digests. :-( Thanks, Lawry lawrysimm@u... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Jordi J.' Date: Mon Mar 13, 2000 9:39 pm Subject: 2 TDI versions of Mars Polaris? Hello, my name is Jordi and live in Barcelona (Spain) First, sorry for my limited english language, sorry. My message is for a question of Mars Polaris: I buy Mars Polaris by mail for a distribuitor (?) in Spain of TDI releases 'Dock'. In a list of Spanish language of TD fans, a friend speak a version of Mars Polaris 59:45 minutes and 11 tracks. The official release is 71 minutes and 10 tracks. My version is the first: 11 tracks / 59:45 minutes Five tracks are differents of a original release, but this versión also is TDI original release. Error of TDI? What happen? I write to TDI, and this is the answer: Hello >My name is Jordi and I live in Barcelona (Spain). First sorry for my bad >english language. >I buy the 'Mars Polaris' to distribuaitor for Spain 'Dock' and two more >albums. >The question is ¿Why there are two versions of Mars Polaris? >My cd is Original TDI, but is only 60 minutes/ 11 tracks. >Others friends and fans of TD, the album Mars Polaris is near of 70 >minutes and 10 tracks. >My index of back cd is 10 tracks and in reality is 11 >¿What happen? Is very strange all. Some tracks are differents for the cd >of 10 or 11 tracks. >I´m very annoy > >And the 10 minutes for others? > >Please ask me >Greetings > >Jordi > Hello Jordi, don´t worry, your English is not so bad. This 'different version' of Mars Polaris you seem to have is very puzzling. All I can do is ask you to send your copy in so that we can investigate the matter. Maybe it was a mispressing - things like that sometimes happen. We will replace it immediately with a correct copy after we have received it. Please give us a detailed account on where and when you purchased the CD. So, please send your CD in and we shall replace it ASAP. TDI MUSIC P.O. Box 30 33 40 10728 Berlin Germany Regards, TDI Music Support I don´t send a copy of Mars Polaris. Is a rarity? ???? Greetings Jordi Jiménez From: 'Jordi J.' Date: Mon Mar 13, 2000 10:18 pm Subject: Silent Mars Hello Visit a good electronic music web of spanish friends of classic 'berlin school' : Dom F. Scab and John Lakvvet 'Silent Mars' is the netx work of this great musicians. In this address is possible download a 3 samples in mp3 format. The release is this next month. http://members.xoom.com/vagern/ Greetings From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Tue Mar 14, 2000 1:51 am Subject: Tangents Box Set Greetings! Just noticed on CD Now that Tangents is going to be re-released on the Caroline label on March 28.Does anyone know if it will be identical to the Virgin release? Those who missed out the first time on this can now pick it up! Rick Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21218 Re: Tangents Box Set Kees Tue 3/14/2000 2 KB 21222 Re: Tangents Box Set Gabe Yedid Tue 3/14/2000 2 KB From: yannick.edom@s... Date: Tue Mar 14, 2000 8:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangents Box Set Hi everyone I saw in Toulouse Three copies of this box. The price is about 380FF/400 (around 6.5$ or 38£) If someone is interested and can't find the box i could help. I would like to trade first but i can just resell them. Friendly from France Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... ----- Message d'origine ----- De : À : Envoyé : mardi 14 mars 2000 02:51 Objet : [tadream] Tangents Box Set > From: rbrown4856@a... > > Greetings! > > Just noticed on CD Now that Tangents is going to be re-released on the > Caroline label on March 28.Does anyone know if it will be identical to the > Virgin release? > Those who missed out the first time on this can now pick it up! > > Rick > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/937/2/_/24785/_/952998693/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21223 Re: Tangents Box Set Kees Tue 3/14/2000 2 KB 21224 Re: Tangents Box Set tom807@a... Wed 3/15/2000 2 KB 21226 Re: Tangents Box Set Antonio Nunes Wed 3/15/2000 2 KB From: Kees Date: Tue Mar 14, 2000 1:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangents Box Set At 20:51 13-3-00 -0500, you wrote: >From: rbrown4856@a... > >Greetings! > > Just noticed on CD Now that Tangents is going to be re-released on the >Caroline label on March 28.Does anyone know if it will be identical to the >Virgin release? Hi, It's already releases and identical to the first set. Copies are available and in stock at http://ww.groove.nl All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21222 Re: Tangents Box Set Gabe Yedid Tue 3/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Frank' Date: Tue Mar 14, 2000 6:20 pm Subject: AirSculpture and Arcane Hi Craig and everyone else, I once wrote you and you responded back. One of the things you said that ,'if I need a fix of 'real' e-music I can look elsewhere [other than TD]'. I get the feeling that I'm about to travel down a road that you've already traversed. I've been interested in TD soundalike groups lately and I just recently began my journey by buying a number of CD's that others claim to fall into this category. The artists/ groups of CD's that I bought are by Arcane [Gather Darkness], AirSculpture [Europa], RMI [Frozen North], Synaesthesia [Desideraturn], Dwellers At The Threshold [No Boundary Condition], plus a compilation called 'Is Anybody Out There'. Being that I've barely got them, I haven't had sufficient time to listen to them all several or many times to give a fair evaluation. But I must say that on first impressions Airsculpture's 'Europa' jumps right and impresses me! Followed by Arcane's 'Gather Darkness. BTW, I do have plans of getting Under The Dome's lone CD and Redshift's 'Ether' too. Also, Dave Law at Synth Music Direct earlier told me that UTD has half the matieral written for another CD, but didn't suspect there wouldn't be another release til the end of the year at the earliest. I liked 'Europa' because it has great sounds, very well put together and because it's recorded live. A couple other nice things that I liked about this CD was that it has a real nice front cover artistically [Good color selection, balance and subject] and that its 74 minutes long. All in all, well worth the money. I have a feeling I'll be listening to this one for a while. I'd put this one up there with the best of TD's and that's saying something. I liked Arcane's 'Gather Darkness' too. Maybe it was the slow build ups or maybe it was the use of those 70 ish analog synthesizer sequences. I myself like alot of those repeating chords.Very mid 70ish TD. They do something to me. I found those and the slow build ups on 'Europa' too BTW. There's something about synthesizers that I've discovered that I love. Maybe it's the high frequencies that I hear, as in general, I'm not much of a bass fan. I believe that maybe it was the use of these synthesizers that partially turned me on to TD's music. One thing about Arcane's CD, it left an errieness [dark] impression, but I'm not sure if it had anything to do with the music itself, but probably was heavily influenced by the cover, somewhat disturbing. Maybe this cover image has something to do with the meaning or nature of the word. I seem to associate it somehow with the occult. I guess I should ask Paul himself as to what's behind the image. Anyways, I look forward to hearing another Arcane and AirSculpture release. I think I'll try AirSculpture's 'Thunderhead' or 'Fjord Transit' next'. Like you Tom, I'm digging for the gems. All responses are welcomed and appreciated, particularly from you Craig and Carl 'Orch' on this subject. Frank aka 'The Dreamer' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21225 Re: AirSculpture and Arcane craig.cordrey@g... Wed 3/15/2000 5 KB From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Tue Mar 14, 2000 5:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] AirSculpture and Arcane > From: 'Frank' > Frank wrote a very long letter and said >Anyways, I look forward to hearing another Arcane and AirSculpture release. I think I'll try AirSculpture's >'Thunderhead' or 'Fjord Transit' next'. Both the sculpture releases are excellent, Arcane (in case you didn't know) have a new album out called ''Future Wreck'' and is as good, if not better than the first, not quite as dark as the first one, but still highly recommended. Nick NP Cybotron / live at total theatre Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: 'Christopher Lomas' Date: Tue Mar 14, 2000 6:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: RMI - UTD (again) More on the UTD / RMI gig for what its worth. As a bit of an EM novice (this was my first fully fledged EM gig in fact) I left with mixed feelings, and not just between I too had failed to meet up with Carl (sorry Carl). The UTD set was bright and accessible stuff - full of good melodies and warmth whereas RMI was much colder, not that that's necessarily a criticism. Phaedra / Rubycon era TD is a fair reference point, but RMI are, if anything, slightly harsher (to my ears anyway). Watching them was a fascinating experience - particularly the guy running the sequencers who was as much a technician as a musician. Being a prog fan in my other life I get to a lot of small scale gigs where there is a greater interraction between the audience and the band. And although I hadn't really been expecting anything similar I was a little surprised that there was almost no interraction, and worst of all, no encore from RMI who just wandered off, leaving a slightly embarassed silence. Watching the post gig crowd surge forward to gaze in reverence at the mellotron was fun though. Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: Gabe Yedid Date: Tue Mar 14, 2000 6:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangents Box Set On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Kees wrote: > From: Kees > > Hi, > > It's already releases and identical to the first set. > Copies are available and in stock at http://ww.groove.nl You mean it even has the duplicate Rubycon track on disc 2? I thought that's one thing they would have been able to fix. cheers, Gabe From: Kees Date: Tue Mar 14, 2000 9:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangents Box Set At 13:40 14-3-00 -0500, you wrote: >From: Gabe Yedid >On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Kees wrote: > > From: Kees > > It's already releases and identical to the first set. > > Copies are available and in stock at http://www.groove.nl > >You mean it even has the duplicate Rubycon track on disc 2? >I thought that's one thing they would have been able to fix. Hi Gabe, You know more than me. I just had a look at the box. Can I check this somehow or do I have to play the disc? All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: tom807@a... Date: Wed Mar 15, 2000 1:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangents Box Set re: the 'new' Tangents box set. By the way -- I'm pretty sure Caroline Records is a division of Virgin Records, therefore I doubt any new or different material will be on it. Most likely it is just being repressed. From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Wed Mar 15, 2000 8:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] AirSculpture and Arcane >From: 'Frank' At Frank's request, a response ... The first recommendation I'd make is that if you want guidance on other e-music you want to sub to another list. I'm sure (or hope) the members of this list benefit from the occassional pointer to other artists, but we are all here to talk TD. I sub to two other lists, Beyond_EM and ElectronicMusic, both hosted on the Onelist server like Tadream. I'd point you to Beyond_EM in the first instance, if only because I'm a joint admin there. 8-) On both these lists there is a more general discussion of non-major artist e-music. There's little about TD, Jarre, Kraftwerk, Vangelis but much more about the kinds of artists you seem to be heading for. Until you do that (and e-mail me privately, anyone, if the above guidance isn't clear enough), here's my take on the situation. You bought Arcane [Gather Darkness] AirSculpture [Europa] RMI [Frozen North] Synaesthesia [Desideraturn] Dwellers At The Threshold [No Boundary Condition] 'Is Anybody Out There' We're almost on the same wavelength here. I currently have Arcane [Frozen Wreck] AirSculpture [Impossible Geometries] RMI [absolutely nothing] Synaesthesia [absolutely nothing] Dwellers at the Threshold [Generation, Transmission, Illumination] and I have the compilation too. I picked up four 'TD' albums at Jodrell Bank : Arcane [Frozen Wreck], Can Atilla [Ave], Johannes Schmoelling [Songs No Words] and TD [Great Wall of China]. That list represents the order of preferrence! Arcane just won't get off the player just now - it is superb. I will definately be picking up Gather Darkness at the next JB show next month. Classic TD style sequencer rumblings, often accompanied by very TD-esque sounds (like the opening chord to Poland, that Canyon Dreams 'sound', etc.). From what others have said, if you like Gather Darkness, you must get this too. Ave is the quintissential TD tribute album and if you like the more melodic, Schoelling-era TD then this is also a must-have. It feels almost like a TD megamix with Can Atilla playing many sounds and 'riffs' that could be straight out of TD's 80s catalogue. I like the one AirSculpture CD that I have, but didn't find much progression with the others I've heard. As you continue your exploration I'd be interested to see how you feel about the other albums. Of the two Dweller albums, I prefer GTI (which is why I bought it 8-)), it has a more consistent feel than the first (IMO) which seems to try too many styles for one album. Parts of your message seemed to get lost on my mailer, but by reading between the lines I see you've found Dave Law at SMD. Dave's good in that you can tell him what type of music you're looking for and he'll make some suggestions. Having dipped your toe into the waters outside the TD exclusion zone, I'd suggest your next step is to pick up UtD's Demon Haunted World and something by Redshift to complete your TD-esque sounds and then wean yourself off even more : some Paul Nagle, Kubbuschnitt (something like that), Free System Project, Dan J. Schulte (dare I say 8-)). Apologies for the length of this, hope you get something from it. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... Senior Software Engineer 01383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Mar 15, 2000 11:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangents Box Set Kees wrote: > > Can I check this somehow or do I have to play the disc? You only have to play track 11 of CD 2 and track 9 of CD 3. They had different names on the tracklist, 'Rubycon (The Decision)' and 'Rubycon (Crossing part)' but the music was the same. Antonio From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Mar 15, 2000 6:28 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Tang-go Hi all, Anyone out there with 'Tang-go' in their collection who can tell me if the track '220 Volt' is on it, because I've just received a message from someone who says that it isn't, although it's announced on the official TD site... Thanks Paul From: Vic Rek Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 1:12 am Subject: Okefenokee Trip - Starting April 9th, 2000 Hi TD fans! So far we have about 11 people that will most likely attend the TD Okefenokee Swap gig. I also have about 5 that are still not sure. We have room for up to 16 so please respond soon. We can find more room if necessary though. This is what I have sent to the ones that are interested: > Please confirm if you plan to attend so I can come up with a list. > The Swamp gig is from Sunday April 9th to 12/13th. > > I will also have for sale from TDI 'Tango-go' - 15 copies (we'll be the > first ones to have them) and 5 copies of 'Soundmill Navigator' - first > come first serve. I'll sell them at my cost of $18. Also, bring an > extra TD item for the drawings that we'll have. We'll I'm looking > forward to it - should be fun. We'll also have some original music too! > > Oh, remember that the gates to the park close at 7PM. So you must be in > by then. > > Call or e-mail me if you have questions: Vic From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 6:13 am Subject: Sylvester LeVay: a Short Bio Hi, Remember a little while back that there was some discussion re Sylvester LeVay, who did most of the non-TD music on THREE O'CLOCK HIGH? Well, here's a little bio on him from the Moroder mailing list (note: Keithy Forsey -- who is my fave drummer of all time -- was Giorgio Moroder's session drummer for about 15 years, and Forsey also wound up producing Billy Idol's most successful albums): -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Mailing-List: list moroder@o...; contact moroder-owner@o... Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:26:53 GMT Subject: [moroder] Silvester 'Fly, Robin, Fly' Levay From: 'Star Duster' [The following is from 'The Billboard Book Of Number One Hits' by Fred Bronson] 'A coterie of musicians existed in Munich in the mid-'70s who worked sometimes in adjoining studios, producing records that were successful around the world. Some of the names became well-known in the latter half of the decade, including Donna Summer and Giorgio Moroder; other names didn't become familiar until years later, like Keith Forsey ['Flashdance...What a Feeling] and Harold Faltermeyer ['Shakedown'], who often worked together.' 'Two of the creative forces of the Munich musical connection were Silvester Levay and Michael Kunze. Levay was a studio muscician until Kunze, impressed with his synthesizer work, asked him to arrange the sessions he was producing. A couple weeks after they started working together, Levay played some of the songs he had written for Kunze. Michael asked Silvester to add strings to one number called 'Save Me' and record a demo of it.' 'Four hours later, with the addition of female background singers and a disco arrangement, they knew they had something special. Jupiter Records in Munich offered a deal for the song and they needed a group name. The session drummer, Forsey, suggested they use Levay's nickname, Silver, and Silver Convention was born.' 'When 'Save Me' became a European disco smash, an album had to be recorded. Before 'Save Me,' Levay had written another tune based on a riff he had in his head one morning upon waking. Kunze remembered it and suggested they use it for the LP. 'I didn't know if it should go on the album,' Levay confesses. But Kunze was convinced it would be a hit. 'He said, 'I'm going to call this song 'Run, Rabbit, Run.'' I wasn't so happy about it because of the Volkwagen Rabbit, but I didn't want to criticize him. The next morning, somebody up there must have heard my plea. I heard on Armed Forces Network a song, 'Run Rabbit.' It was just a half-hour before the girls were to come in and sing. I was very happy. I said to Michael that I had just heard a song called 'Run Rabbit' and in 30 seconds he said, 'O.K., let's do 'Fly, Robin, Fly.'' 'Recorded with the same set of anonymous background singers, 'Fly, Robin, Fly' was a smash in the discos before it spread to radio. 'Save Me' had not charted in America, but 'Fly, Robin, Fly' debuted on the Hot 100 at number 87 on October 11, 1975, and soared to number one just seven weeks later. Silvester and Michael received a phone call from Bob Reno at Midland International Records in the States informing them the song had gone to number one.' 'Unfortunately, the singers who had recorded as Silver Convention were about to adjourn. They could not come to terms and were replaced by three women signed to Jupiter Records. Penny McClean was recording her own solo LP, which included her disco hit, 'Lady Bump.' Ramona Wolf and Linda G. Thompson completed the new trio who became Silver Convention in time for their second American hit, 'Get Up and Boogie' (number two in June, 1976).' 'The group had only one more chart entry, 'No, No, Joe,' number 60 in September, 1976. Linda Thompson left the group and was replaced by Rhonda Heath. Silver Convention continued to release albums in America through 1978 before plummeting back to obscurity.' 'Levay came to America after Donna Summer recorded his 'Who Do You Think You're Foolin'' on her album 'The Wanderer.' Working with Giorgio Moroder as arranger on his film work for 'Flashdance,' 'Scarface' and 'Metropolis,' Levay was soon in demand as a composer. His themes have graced the television series 'Airwolf,' 'Otherworld' and 'Double Dare' as well as the motion picture 'The Creator,' starring Peter O'Toole and Mariel Hemingway.' From: 'joe shoults' Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 3:07 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Sylvester LeVay: a Short Bio Thanks Steven, very interesting. I just rented 3 O'Clock High ,and will probably watch it tomorrow night. My wife said it sucked, but I'm more interested in the soundtrack than the plot, actually. Also, the first track on Edgar Froese' 'Ages' solo album is 'Metropolis'. As one of my favorite movies of all time, I can understand how it has inspired artists. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Feldman [mailto:ar402004@b...] ... > Remember a little while back that there was some discussion re > Sylvester LeVay, who did most of the non-TD music on THREE O'CLOCK > HIGH? Well, here's a little bio on him from the Moroder mailing list ... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21231 Re: Sylvester LeVay: a Short Bio Jim Moore Thu 3/16/2000 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 3:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sylvester LeVay: a Short Bio > I just rented 3 O'Clock High ,and will probably watch it tomorrow night. My > wife said it sucked, but I'm more interested in the soundtrack than the > plot, actually. I think the film is pretty funny, especially considering the time it was made was when teen flicks were a dime a dozen (like is beginning to happen again). Most striking was how it doesn't take the cliched easy-ending. I question the track listing on the soundtrack as one of the tracks listed from Levay appears rather intact on the _Hollywood Years_ collection. - jim From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 5:23 pm Subject: TD in ENCARTA CD by MS, Solar Eclipse CD HI! Just a funny thing! Today I got a (demo)version from the Microsoft Encarta (a dictionary) 2000- CD. To my surprise, the search of 'Tangerine Dream' was/is a success! There's a small (50 lines) story about TD including a small selection from the discography from E.M. to Dream Mixes (1999). No too bad IMO! There's also a Mediamarkt (a big electronic MAL in Germany) CD. You'll find all available TD records (in Germany) including covers and tracklistings (+durations). And external links to soundsamples. Very nice, too. Just a note: Everybody who's interested in the Solar Eclipse CD should write me an email. I'm not shure, the makers of the CD (not CDR!!) are sendig to foreign countries. I have to wait until I got some more infos until 20. of march. I'm trading for this CD, too. Stay tuned. If I have the permission, I'll include an URL, too... but I have to wait. Rainer TD page: www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21234 Re: TD in ENCARTA CD by MS, Solar Eclipse CD Richard Ford Thu 3/16/2000 2 KB 21271 Solar Eclipse Cd with TD music Rainer Rutka Sun 3/19/2000 3 KB 21272 Re: TD in ENCARTA CD by MS, Solar Eclipse CD Rainer Rutka Sun 3/19/2000 2 KB 21861 Soundmill Navigator Rainer Rutka Wed 4/12/2000 2 KB 23754 Dream Sequence - Virgin Promo Set Rainer Rutka Tue 8/29/2000 2 KB 25298 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by German Ro Rainer Rutka Sat 12/9/2000 3 KB 25300 Re: 28 pages story about Tangerine Dream by Germa Richard Ford Sat 12/9/2000 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 4:51 pm Subject: TD Interview questions First I would like to say I am very excited to see a tadream.net page in operation! I'm also excited at the prospect of Soundmill Navigator. It sounds clean to me, so maybe Edgar is going to do right by us this decade after all. I saw some questions being formulated for Edgar and Co. on the tadream.net page and thought I'd throw in my two cents. They are opinion of course, so digest with a grain of salt. --------------------- >What is that nice gentleman saying at the beginning of 'Poland' ? Is the >2LP the complete concert or was there more ? There wasn't any studioalbum >in '84, no touring (?), just a couple of soundtracks; what did the >bandmembers do that year ? Let's turn that question over to someone who can translate the language. Essentially it's, 'I'd like to present the electronic rock music performers Edgar Froese, Chris Franke and Johannes Schmoelling; Tangerine Dream.' Considering the power outages and near-freezing temperatures, Poland is actually the closest thing we've gotten to an untouched live concert recording (most of the stuff after 1988 is played primarily with a backing tape, so that doesn't really count). A little bit of Poland was trimmed off to fit on four sides of vinyl but (I've only heard the real end of side 2 of LP 1 as per Sea of Dreams) I don't think you're not missing much. >What did you do with all the old instruments - ie anologue equipment such >as ARP Omni 'mini-moog' '2600 ARP synthesiser Melton etc? Most of their old equipment is still in their closet and much of it has been retrofitted with digital controllers and automatic tuning equipment. Some was used on Mars Polaris I believe, and Edgar used some of it when preparing Tangents and Dream Roots Collection. >The Dream Roots Collection showcases material written by yourself and Chris >after Johannes left. Given the high quality of this music, why did you feel >the need to enlist another band member at that time? This is my opinion, of course, but Tangerine Dream has always functioned best with a trio of 3 artists each pulling in their own direction. I'm not saying the stuff on Dream Roots disc 5 isn't great, but without Johannes Schmoelling you notice how little sequencing there is. >Much speculation has surrounded the album 'Green Desert'. Some believe its >'sound and feel' to be wholly anachronistic, resembling more the albums >surrounding its release, rather than its recording date. Could you shed >light on this? Were any parts of it retouched, rerecorded or completed for >its final release, or is what we hear what was completed in 1973? Also, why >was it not released at that time? Green Desert was recorded in 1973 as far as we know. It's pretty clear from some of the sound effects that is HAD to have been at least slightly retouched for it's 1980's release. As for releasing it late, Phaedra was the new direction Edgar and Tangerine Dream wanted to go, Green Desert was the old direction shared by Atem and Zeit. TD was being given the opportunity to really define itself with its new label, Virgin, and they just went with something wholly new, which was Phaedra. >Would you ever consider allowing fan taping? Edgar has never really complained about fan taping, I think it's the labels or concert organizers who try to stop it. Edgar has gone on record that he knows there is much TD which is not released (he is releasing it now, but only after heavily doctoring it, aka The Keep and Sohoman) and has no problem with low or no-profit small distributions of said material. It is even rumored that he was involved in the production of Logostypes, and it is clear that some of the bootlegs are soundboard quality which raises other eyebrows... >Any plans to incorporate any multimedia pieces into future releases? A multimedia version of 'Catwalk' was released on CD in Italy. It's just a simple bio of the band built in Macromedia Director. ----------------------- If you have a high-speed internet connection there may be an easier way for you to get rare and concert TD music. e-mail me. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: Richard Ford Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 7:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD in ENCARTA CD by MS, Solar Eclipse CD >Just a note: Everybody who's interested in the Solar Eclipse CD should >write me an email. I'm not shure, the makers of the CD (not CDR!!) are >sendig to foreign countries. I have to wait until I got some more >infos until 20. of march. I'm trading for this CD, too. Stay tuned. >If I have the permission, I'll include an URL, too... but I have to >wait. > > Rainer Hi I'd be interested if you have any joy. All the best -- Richard Ford http://www.zozo.demon.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21271 Solar Eclipse Cd with TD music Rainer Rutka Sun 3/19/2000 3 KB 21272 Re: TD in ENCARTA CD by MS, Solar Eclipse CD Rainer Rutka Sun 3/19/2000 2 KB From: Mario Pacheco Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 10:26 pm Subject: [tadream] Bad trader alert Sorry if I'm flaming here but when I saw the email from this --- Feldon Feldon account, I did remember a guy (Morgan, that live(d) in Texas) that just ripped me off with a lot of money, that was almost 9 months ago. I'm NOT saying that the account mentioned above necesarily belongs to the same guy of course. I just write this to prevent others to deal with that Morgan Marks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21240 Re: Bad trader alert Feldon Feldon Fri 3/17/2000 3 KB 21245 Re: Bad trader alert Brian M. Frick Fri 3/17/2000 2 KB From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 12:26 am Subject: TD or not TD That is the question. Hi Guys ( no moaning today ) I just came across the following while surfing around , can anyone shed any light on the matter ? Tangerine Dream - Kaliedoscope Released through Repertoire 23-3-98 Just curious as usual , regards ' Orch ' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21237 Re: TD or not TD That is the question. Sean Montgomery Fri 3/17/2000 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 1:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD or not TD That is the question. > From: 'Carl & Jacqui Kearney' > > I just came across the following while surfing around , can anyone shed any > light on the matter ? > > Tangerine Dream - Kaliedoscope I'm sure that others will answer this, but let me be the first. This is an album called Tangerine Dream by a group called Kaleidoscope. It was originally released in 1967, and was recently reissued. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: aoutland@a... Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 2:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Interview questions In a message dated 03/16/2000 11:53:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, feldon23@h... writes: << From: 'Feldon Feldon' First I would like to say I am very excited to see a tadream.net page in operation! >> Welcome back Morgan. We're at sorcery.net on mirc now. Come join us again. 8-) Dell From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 8:58 am Subject: Fan Taping Morgan Feldon wrote: >>Would you ever consider allowing fan taping? > >Edgar has never really complained about fan taping, I think it's the labels >or concert organizers who try to stop it. Edgar has gone on record that he >knows there is much TD which is not released (he is releasing it now, but >only after heavily doctoring it, aka The Keep and Sohoman) and has no >problem with low or no-profit small distributions of said material. It is >even rumored that he was involved in the production of Logostypes, and it is >clear that some of the bootlegs are soundboard quality which raises other >eyebrows... This is utter bullshit from start to end. It's not funny, trying to lull people into a false sense of 'it's no problem'. You've been warned. klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21242 Re: Fan Taping TDI - Martin K. Fri 3/17/2000 4 KB 21330 Re: Fan Taping Erik Sanborn Tue 3/21/2000 2 KB 21359 Fan Taping Ken Mitchell Thu 3/23/2000 3 KB 21363 What can the artist do? Rainer Rutka Thu 3/23/2000 3 KB 21378 Re: What can the artist do? Radu Velicescu Thu 3/23/2000 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 9:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bad trader alert When I saw this, I was going to unsub from the list again, but that's the easy way out. Mario, I don't want to give excuses. I still have your money order for $70. For a while I was unemployed and now that I am working, I thought I might come back here. I owe several people discs or at least blank discs back, and I still have James Owens' box of videotapes of some TD concerts. So frankly, I don't expect anyone to trade with me. I am still curious about getting new music, but will obviously send two blank CDs or $5 *AHEAD* of time to get the music. I don't want to ignite any more trouble than I already have. I tried to take on the responsibility of doing discs for people but for reasons I don't understand, maybe I'm just a lazy bum, that responsibility didn't get met. I do want to try to make it right for people. Steve, I still have your Airsculpture disc. To try to make a lighter note, I did download some Klaus Schultze. Not as far out as expected, I'll give it time to grow on me... >From: Mario Pacheco >Reply-To: tadream@o... >To: tadream@o... >Subject: [tadream] Bad trader alert >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:26:14 -0800 (PST) > > >Sorry if I'm flaming here but when I saw the email >from >this >--- Feldon Feldon account, I >did remember a guy (Morgan, that live(d) in Texas) >that just ripped me off with a lot of money, that was >almost 9 months ago. I'm NOT saying that the account >mentioned above necesarily belongs to the same guy of >course. I just write this to prevent others to deal >with that Morgan Marks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21245 Re: Bad trader alert Brian M. Frick Fri 3/17/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 11:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Fan Taping >Reply-To: tadream@o... >To: tadream moderated mailing list at onelist >Subject: [tadream] Fan Taping >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:58:16 +0100 > > >Morgan Feldon wrote: > >>Would you ever consider allowing fan taping? > > > >Edgar has never really complained about fan taping, I think it's the >labels > >or concert organizers who try to stop it. Edgar has gone on record that >he > >knows there is much TD which is not released (he is releasing it now, but > >only after heavily doctoring it, aka The Keep and Sohoman) and has no > >problem with low or no-profit small distributions of said material. It is > >even rumored that he was involved in the production of Logostypes, and it >is > >clear that some of the bootlegs are soundboard quality which raises other > >eyebrows... > >This is utter bullshit from start to end. It's not funny, trying to lull >people into a false sense of 'it's no problem'. You've been warned. > >klaus From the horse's mouth: http://www.tangerinedream.de/qna01.html#faq015 It seems that bootlegs - in numbers which are close to so-called very small limited editions - are part of the fan's world all over the place. It shows the interest lots of fans have in the band's composing and performing creativity. For some people it might be a sensible little investment if you know what to choose. The funny side of the game is definitely over when we start hearing about considerable numbers and commercial sales in record stores or mail-order services. In such cases, TD's legal advisors will give the individual dealer a very hard time - one should think twice before stepping anywhere near the neighborhood of such a risky business. ---------------- Klaus, this hardly sounds like a 'fan taping is evil' commentary, which Edgar could just as easily have written. As he's said before, he's not trying to impress the fans, so what would his motivation be for consealing some deep hatred of fan taping? What I would derive from this and other comments by Edgar in other forums (one of his primary reasons for releasing Tournado is having listened to several fantapes by concertgoers--quoted from the tadream.de webpage) is that he is not upset about fan taping. You may have a differing opinion and that's yours to have. Klaus, you have a huge amount of respect on this list and in trading circles and am not trying to start a war. I love TD, and maybe that's my own common thread with this list. The only obligations I feel I have to Edgar are to purchase music I listen to (I own every Tangerine Dream release [except soundtracks] from 1974-1987] and a smattering from 87-present). My concert material is always signifigantly different from the released stuff and I don't try to profit from it. Also, I don't trade CDRs with people of stuff that's, for the most part, already released, unless it's a sampler CD to get someone interested. I understand why Electronic Orgy upset Edgar. First, it was $65. Second, disc 4 was pretty much un-called for. Everything on there appears on the 220 Volt video or on the CD5 releases. While I think these CD5 releases (4 edited tracks from a previous release plus 1 new track) were a bit of Crazy Eddie and profiteering by either Miramar or Edgar, but I stand by Edgar when I say that Electronic Orgy should not have included tracks still-in-print. The Logostypes comment is a commonly held rumor and let's face it, how else would such a high-quality version of this music appear in 1982 when portable taping technology was in its infancy? Edgar is way to much of a control freak to let a soundboard hookup go on under his nose without a nod. Outback Voices is even higher quality which makes my head itch ever more. -Morgan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21243 Re: Fan Taping Feldon Feldon Fri 3/17/2000 2 KB 21246 Re: Fan Taping Brian M. Frick Fri 3/17/2000 2 KB 21248 Re: Fan Taping joe shoults Fri 3/17/2000 4 KB 21254 Solar Eclipse CD!!/MS Encarta TD-entry Rainer Rutka Fri 3/17/2000 3 KB 21264 Gradwohl Internet Site Rainer Rutka Sun 3/19/2000 2 KB 21244 Re: Fan Taping Nigbur D Fri 3/17/2000 2 KB 21250 Re: Fan Taping Feldon Feldon Fri 3/17/2000 3 KB From: 'TDI - Martin K.' Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 11:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Fan Taping >> >>Edgar has never really complained about fan taping, I think it's the labels >>or concert organizers who try to stop it. Edgar has gone on record that he >>knows there is much TD which is not released (he is releasing it now, but >>only after heavily doctoring it, aka The Keep and Sohoman) and has no >>problem with low or no-profit small distributions of said material. It is >>even rumored that he was involved in the production of Logostypes, and it is >>clear that some of the bootlegs are soundboard quality which raises other >>eyebrows... > >This is utter bullshit from start to end. It's not funny, trying to lull >people into a false sense of 'it's no problem'. You've been warned. > >klaus > Thanks Klaus, for stepping in here, you took the words from my mouth! You can be very sure that Edgar NEVER involved himself in the production of any bootleg. In fact he, quite understandably so, utterly despises bootlegs since they mean other people making profit off his work (bootleggers usually do not pay royalties to the band). This is one of the main reasons why TD themselves DO NOT allow fan- taping at concerts. It is not the concert organizers or labels.(By the way, TD are releasing their material on their own label, for those who have not noticed it yet.... ;-)) While non- profit trading of tapes is tolerable, there will always be the black sheep who will try to make a dime from the recordings. Face it: people are not basically good. Profit bootlegging is a form of theft - intellectual theft as one might call it. It is making a profit with something that does not belong to you. So, please, Mr. 'Feldon Feldon', keep your wild fantasies to yourself and stick to the facts. There are so many wonderful people, true supporters, on this list. I wonder why there are always some people who try to spoil the fun for all the others. Best regards, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 11:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Fan Taping >From: 'TDI - Martin K.' >Reply-To: tadream@o... >To: tadream@o... >Subject: Re: [tadream] Fan Taping >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:12:37 +0100 (By the way, TD are >releasing their material on their own label, for those who have not noticed >it yet.... ;-)) >While non- profit trading of tapes is tolerable, there will >always be the black sheep who will try to make a dime from the recordings. >Face it: people are not basically good. Profit bootlegging is a form of >theft - intellectual theft as one might call it. It is making a profit with >something that does not belong to you. >So, please, Mr. 'Feldon Feldon', keep your wild fantasies to yourself and >stick to the facts. There are so many wonderful people, true supporters, on >this list. I wonder why there are always some people who try to spoil the >fun for all the others. I'm unsubscribing from the list. I'm not sure why I came back. -Morgan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21246 Re: Fan Taping Brian M. Frick Fri 3/17/2000 2 KB 21248 Re: Fan Taping joe shoults Fri 3/17/2000 4 KB 21254 Solar Eclipse CD!!/MS Encarta TD-entry Rainer Rutka Fri 3/17/2000 3 KB 21264 Gradwohl Internet Site Rainer Rutka Sun 3/19/2000 2 KB From: Nigbur D Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 11:57 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Fan Taping I get the strong impression that we have seen the same discussion numerous times before. It is unlikely that Edgar had his hands in the production of any bootleg. It is equally unlikely that Edgar and Jerome have sleepless nights over fans swapping concert boots of unreleased material for no financial gain. But that doesn't mean that it is legal or in any way allowed to do so. TD may be fairly relaxed about bootlegs and tolerate them, but this doesn't alter the fact that boot traders are technically and legally on the wrong side of copyright law. The issue is so straightforward that I feel quite annoyed and disappointed that TD fans on this list are flaming one another over it in such a clearly inappropriate way. Dennis From: 'Brian M. Frick' Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 12:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bad trader alert Just for the record, Morgan Marks has ALWAYS been honest and up-front with me. In fact, I have emails from him from 1995 or 1996, when there were flame wars galore on the old TD list... He's always been a decent guy. I'm sure, absolutely sure, he's not run off with anyone's money. I thought he hit some hard times...? Give the guy a break.... -Brian >> From: Mario Pacheco >> Reply-To: tadream@o... >> To: tadream@o... >> Subject: [tadream] Bad trader alert >> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:26:14 -0800 (PST) >> >> >> Sorry if I'm flaming here but when I saw the email >> from >> this >> --- Feldon Feldon account, I >> did remember a guy (Morgan, that live(d) in Texas) >> that just ripped me off with a lot of money, that was >> almost 9 months ago. I'm NOT saying that the account >> mentioned above necesarily belongs to the same guy of >> course. I just write this to prevent others to deal >> with that Morgan Marks. From: 'Brian M. Frick' Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 12:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fan Taping Why the flame war? Some people on this list need to come down off their high horses, and quit chewing people out in public for a disagreement they might have with one's statements. There's a difference between responding politely, and being a dick. Thanks, -Brian Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21248 Re: Fan Taping joe shoults Fri 3/17/2000 4 KB From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 1:21 pm Subject: TD without EF An interesting thread indeed. Anyone remember. Sorry for being late but I feel the urge to post some thoughts about this. I have often wondered why I continue buying TD albums. I sure know why I started back in the mid 70s. Simply because I loved the music. Rubycon was the first, if I am not mistaken, and buying Phaedra, Ricochet and the lot just made me aware that this was it. It became almost a religious thing, buying and listening to these masterpieces, never a disappointment. Working my way backwards to Electronic meditation and the period up to Atem it would be an exaggeration to say that my feelings were the same. However it was history and if nothing else, at least interesting to have. During the 80s I gradually lost that religious feeling mentioned above. I started to hope for, as opposed to expect, a positive listening experience when buying the new albums. It wasn't that I didn't like the music, rather that they were heading in a direction towards the mainstream. Suddenly there were melodies, and no matter how good a melody, once you are able to hum it to yourself you are bound to get tired of it sooner or later (like that old favourite shirt hanging back there in the closet. You liked it so much and would never throw it away even though you never use it nowadays). However, knowing that the line-up actually did produce Tangram was the reason for wanting to have the next album. Then off went Schmoelling and later Francke and there was Haslinger and towards the latter part of the 80s Tangerine Dream had completely lost its power over my record consuming behavior. It is impossible to say exactly when I lost interest in the group but it coincided with the end of the vinyl era for me. Destination Berlin was probably the last TD vinyl I bought and listening to that one it certainly isn't difficult to understand why I lost interest. It was only some years into the 90s that I got myself a cd equipment and I would say that it took until somewhere around the mid 90s before I started to listen to TD again. The quality of their output from that decade is very mixed. However to me the absloute all time low period was the end of the 80s. My overall opinion is that they are releasing far too much material for their own good. Still I see positive signs. Oasis and Goblins Club certainly have their promising parts, What a Blast is not at all bad and so on. The key question though is: Should I have been a TD fan if I started out today listening to their 90's output. Probably not, at least not to the extent that I'd buy all the albums. However I have the history, that is, I know what they are capable of. If and when Froese decides to quit it will be a different thing though as he is the glue that has been keeping it all together during the years. If Jerome wants to continue in the same vein he should definately do it but try to find another name for the group. It could well be connected to TD but shouldn't be it. There are too many ideas about what is right or wrong among the fans of Tangerine Dream to make it healthy for any successor to Edgar, not least his own son. Whether I will continue to be interested or not depends on the quality but for me TD ends with the last remaining founder. Oops, there went my lunch-break. Sorry for a long one here. Finally a hint to you who are looking for other interesting electronic music; Try Waveshape, not at all bad if you like dreamy, floating stuff. Bye for now Olle From: 'joe shoults' Date: Sun Sep 17, 2000 1:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Fan Taping First of all, if this is as bad as a flame war gets on our list, then we don't really have much to worry about! ;-) Let's face it, we've seen a lot worse in the past. But read on. Mario, I'm sure your warning was made with good intentions, but you should have e-mailed Morgan OFFLIST first to clear it up before sending a warning to the list- especially since you have been in the same boat! Please, that goes for everybody. Bad trader warnings are precipitously close to slander, not in the strict legal sense, of course, but you should exhaust your possibilities and exercise reflective judgement. Morgan, c'mon back in- the water's fine! Next, Klaus is right (and thanks for stepping in, Martin). And of course, this is the reason for the steps we have taken on this list in regards to bootleg discussion policies. We maintain that discussing bootlegs and their content is perfectly OK, but actually trading them on-list is not. If you want to trade, you may ask people to contact you OFFLIST, as this list is not to be used as the vehicle for these activities, *especially* for money. The spirit of fan-tape trading is that it is TOTALLY not for profit, and in a generous, evangelistic sort of way. We have occasionally seen people post notices of their items for auction on ebay, and this is just as bad, bad, bad as any mass-production effort. This happened recently with EO. It is not in the spirit of the fan-trader, and is illegal, and is a slap in Edgar's face. If I see this happening on this list in the future, it will dealt with by potentially banning the offender, and will be reported to the auction site, which will damage or negate your status with them. (deep breath) whew! now that's over, lets get back to [the park is mine] and [legend]. Is anyone going to comment on these? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian M. Frick [mailto:bmfrick@s...] > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 7:01 AM > To: tadream@o... > Subject: Re: [tadream] Fan Taping > > > From: 'Brian M. Frick' > > Why the flame war? > > Some people on this list need to come down off their high horses, and quit > chewing people out in public for a disagreement they might have with one's > statements. > > There's a difference between responding politely, and being a dick. > > Thanks, > > -Brian > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2121/3/_/24785/_/953294472/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 4:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 1974-1987... have we heard this? >From: olle.rundgren@s... >Reply-To: tadream@o... >To: tadream@o... >Subject: [tadream] TD without EF >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:21:55 +0100 > >I have often wondered why I continue buying TD albums. I sure know why I >started back in the mid 70s. Simply because I loved the music. >Destination >Berlin was probably the last TD vinyl I bought and >listening to that one it certainly isn't difficult to understand why I lost >interest. >It was only some years into the 90s that I got myself a cd equipment and I >would say that it took until somewhere around the mid 90s before I started >to listen to TD again. The quality of their output from that decade is very >mixed. However to me the absloute all time low period was the end of the >80s. My overall opinion is that they are releasing far too much material >for >their own good. Still I see positive signs. Oasis and Goblins Club >certainly >have their promising parts, What a Blast is not at all bad and so on. > >The key question though is: Should I have been a TD fan if I started out >today listening to their 90's output. Probably not, at least not to the >extent that I'd buy all the albums. First of all, don't feel alone. The majority of Tangerine Dream fans truly value their 1974-1987 stuff. As to whether you would have stuck with TD if you had started with their late 80's or 90's output? Well, it's been a while since I've posted to the list how I got into TD in the first place. My first exposure to Tangerine Dream was the movie 'Miracle Mile.' While the movie was pretty cool, in an '2 hours til the world ends, let's see if the human race keeps their dignity, let alone the main character' kind o way, but the music really stuck out to me. So when a couple years later, I stumbled upon someone who had the soundtrack on tape, I was hooked. My next exposure was Turn of the Tides, of all things :) I then was shocked to hear Electronic Meditation (a little too fast into the past), but I stuck with it and gradually snuck backwards, tentatively trying out Logos and falling in love. So now I too fit your description.... With a love of their 1974-1987 material and an ear to the ground in the hopes for more wonderful material. As you point out, Oasis did have some bright points and I certainly haven't signed off on TD yet. I have to say I'm drooling over Soundmill Navigator. -Morgan The mad monk of TD ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 4:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fan Taping >From: 'TDI - Martin K.' >Reply-To: tadream@o... >To: tadream@o... >Subject: Re: [tadream] Fan Taping >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:12:37 +0100 >While non- profit trading of tapes is tolerable, there will >always be the black sheep who will try to make a dime from the recordings. >Face it: people are not basically good. Profit bootlegging is a form of >theft - intellectual theft as one might call it. It is making a profit with >something that does not belong to you. >So, please, Mr. 'Feldon Feldon', keep your wild fantasies to yourself and >stick to the facts. There are so many wonderful people, true supporters, on >this list. I wonder why there are always some people who try to spoil the >fun for all the others. > > > >Best regards, > >Martin K. >TDI- Music- Support. >Tel:-49-30-23620995 >Fax:-49-30-23620996 I have to tell you Martin, and the rest of the list, I stop and read an e-mail like this and take it very personally, especially when your tagline and e-mail address are from TDI. I'm not some bootleg nitwit trying to make a buck, but I am not a lemming either. I love Tangerine Dream, I have since I first heard it, and always will. So when something comes down the pike vicariously from Edgar, it is like pins and needles to me. If Edgar wants me to leave the list, I'll grab my stuff and run. That's how much TD means to me. I'm going to try to tough it out and see where things go, but Martin, don't think people don't have feelings. I didn't want to sound reactionary, but when you said 'We are releasing things from the past', I cannot count such doctored works as Sohoman and The Keep. I am sorry if this also offends you or Edgar, but a 67 Corvette with a some modern-day bicycles on top would look quite rediculous would it not? One more question. I thought I joined the unmoderated TD list? -Morgan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com