From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 7:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: What's everyone been listening to? In a message dated 4/11/2000 4:42:18 PM !!!First Boot!!!, glynnn@o... writes: << Brian Wilson, is, IMO, the only rock/pop composer who can stand comparison with the old-time greats like Gershwin and Cole Porter. Everyone should have a copy of this record! Glynn >> *When I was younger I thought of the Beach Boys as letter-sweater wearing jocks with no brains or talent... then as I became more involved in music I noticed that people like Frank Zappa and Paul McCartney were saying that Brian Wilson was a genius with vocal harmonies I listened to them again with the ears of a musician and was blown away..... they really were amazing.... Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21843 Re: RE: What's everyone been listening to? Antonio Nunes Tue 4/11/2000 2 KB 21848 Re: RE: What's everyone been listening to? Owens, James E Tue 4/11/2000 3 KB From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 7:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator noise You're assuming they didn't repeat a section of the tape. I'm loading the track into SoundForge right now to do a little DSP and see what I can see. I did notice that it pans. It is quite annoying. Kristopher W. Rhen (krhen@s...) Manager, Information Systems A. Stucki Company Pittsburgh, PA > noise loop 38 min. <> concert 31 min. > > Sorry to stir up the stilt, just doing some math... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21844 Re: Soundmill Navigator noise Rhen, Kris Tue 4/11/2000 2 KB 21846 Re: Soundmill Navigator noise Radu Velicescu Tue 4/11/2000 3 KB 21858 Re: Soundmill Navigator noise Rhen, Kris Wed 4/12/2000 3 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 8:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: What's everyone been listening to? My recent playlist: Enigma - The screen behind the mirror Jean Michel Jarre - Metamorphoses Mergener & Weisser - Phancyful-fire Pink Floyd - Is there anybody out there? - The Wall live Dan Schulte - Electronic nightmares Various - Gift (invisible shadows) and I have Soundmill Navigator on order. Antonio Nunes From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 8:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator noise Well, if anyone cares, there's a picture of the SMN Noise early in the track at http://www.stucki.com/krhen/downloads/SMNNoisePic.gif after a HighPass filter, normalize, then noise gate. There appear to be TWO separate frequency ticks, and they alternate between the L and R channels. What does this mean? Dunno. I don't think it was meant to be there though (since it is two diff frequencies). Sure sounds awful. Soooo, how do we break the news to TDI and get our CDs fixed? (I am CCing them on this) Kristopher W. Rhen (krhen@s...) Manager, Information Systems A. Stucki Company Pittsburgh, PA From: DEREK@l... Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 9:11 pm Subject: Do I Buy 'U.S'? Hello Everyone I'm in need of some advice.I have all the tracks from 'Underwater Sunlight' on various compilations but from reading previous mail I now realise that certain tracks have been remixed. I don't know how different these remixes are ; Song of the Whale (Parts 1 & 2). - 'From Dawn 'til Dusk' Dolphin Dance. - 'The Best of TD' Ride on the Ray, Scuba Scuba & Underwater Twilight. - 'The Best of The Blue Years' Can someone throw some (sun)light on this for me? Derek P.S - The beginning of 'Scuba Scuba' sounds very abrupt. From: Radu Velicescu Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 9:13 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator noise On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, Rhen, Kris wrote: > You're assuming they didn't repeat a section of the tape. I'm loading the > track into SoundForge right now to do a little DSP and see what I can see. > I did notice that it pans. It is quite annoying. I was assuming they used the original 31 minutes of the concert plus some extra year 2000 sounds thrown in. The original 31 minutes would have the noise but the rest shouldn't. The noise starts during the new layers, why have the noise in the new layers if the noise is a by-product of the original recording? This, at first glance, seems to be a mastering flaw. Noise starts at minute 3 during the new layers then goes on till the end through the old layers too, same level, same pitch, same panning effect from the new layers to the old layers. Radu > > noise loop 38 min. <> concert 31 min. > > > > Sorry to stir up the stilt, just doing some math... From: 'Eric Rochon' Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 9:25 pm Subject: Hi People I am wondering if you ever heard of something name « The Headless Horseman of Hutton Henry Weird ». This great CDR was given to me and I was wondering if this band had ever released anything else, where are they from and any other related info abotu this band. Thank you very much Éric rochon@i... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22030 (no subject) Bert.Hulshoff@N... Mon 4/17/2000 2 KB 22397 (no subject) John Marchington Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB 22706 (no subject) Yensen, Stephen Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB 22885 (no subject) Daryoush Tahmasebi Fri 6/9/2000 2 KB 23644 (no subject) Owens, James Mon 8/14/2000 2 KB 24056 (no subject) Gabe Yedid Fri 9/22/2000 2 KB 25656 (no subject) keri.ford@p... Sat 1/13/2001 3 KB 27529 (no subject) Paul Lawler Thu 7/5/2001 2 KB 27909 (no subject) Colin Jouxson Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 9:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: What's everyone been listening to? 'Heros and Villains' is the ultimate in vocal polyphony for me. > -----Original Message----- > *When I was younger I thought of the Beach Boys as letter-sweater > wearing jocks with no brains or talent... then as I became more > involved in music I noticed that people like Frank Zappa and > Paul McCartney were saying that Brian Wilson was a genius with > vocal harmonies I listened to them again with the ears of a > musician and was blown away..... they really were amazing.... > > From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 9:39 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Do I Buy 'U.S'? As far as I can tell the versions of Song of the Whale and Dolphin Dance you mention are indentical to the original. I can't say for the rest, since I don't have 'best of Blue Years'. As a rule, Idon't buy compilations, unless they come as part of a set that I can't get without the comps. I still don't own Tangents or Dream Roots because of this, though now I'm actually interested in getting them since I've heard and liked the bonus tracks. > -----Original Message----- > From: DEREK@l... [SMTP:DEREK@l...] > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 4:11 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Do I Buy 'U.S'? > > Hello Everyone > I'm in need of some advice.I have all the tracks > from 'Underwater Sunlight' on various compilations but from reading > previous mail I now realise that certain tracks have been remixed. > I don't know how different these remixes are ; > Song of the Whale (Parts 1 & 2). - 'From Dawn 'til Dusk' > Dolphin Dance. - 'The Best of TD' > Ride on the Ray, Scuba Scuba & Underwater Twilight. - 'The Best of > The Blue Years' > Can someone throw some (sun)light on this for me? > Derek > P.S - The beginning of 'Scuba Scuba' sounds very abrupt. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Calling all Jazz fans. Check out DownBeatJazz.com's Digital Downloads > section where you can download free mp3s. If you're a musician, upload > your songs to DownBeatJazz.com for a chance to get reviewed by Down > Beat Editors! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2142/3/_/24785/_/955487479/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 2:18 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] What's everyone been listening to? The last few days: Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21853 SV: What's everyone been listening to? Glenn Folkvord Wed 4/12/2000 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 10:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Future Wreak soundclips? Jared White wrote: > > I'm trying to find some soundclips of Arcane's Future Wreak on the Net. Groove has a RealAudio excerpt. Go to http://www.groove.nl/sound.html and enjoy! Antonio Nunes From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue Apr 11, 2000 10:39 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] What's everyone been listening to? LOL something tells me, that you are into Jarre =) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Folkvord To: Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 4:18 PM Subject: SV: [tadream] What's everyone been listening to? > The last few days: > > Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses > Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses > Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses > Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses > Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses > Jean-Michel Jarre: Metamorphoses > > glenn > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Virgin's Yard Sale! Top 100 CD's up to 30% off! Lots of Giveaways & > Contests! > http://click.egroups.com/1/3000/3/_/24785/_/955491227/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 2:53 am Subject: SV: [tadream] What's everyone been listening to? >LOL something tells me, that you are into Jarre =) > >Jan What told you that? :-)) I actually played FM the other day too. all the best, Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Stuff www.folkvord.net/jarrestuff Emusic http://w3.to/_emusic From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 3:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] What's everyone been listening to? In a message dated 4/11/00 4:04:51 AM, kohntarkosz@y... writes: >I know a lot of us have been listening to >Soundmill Navigator, but what else have we had on >lately? Alphabetically, here's what I've been playing most frequently of late... Covenant: United States of Mind Delerium: Spiritual Archives Front Line Assembly: Implode Front 242: 06:21:03:11 Up Evil and 05:22:09:12 Off (there's a bit too much screaming on the second album, but overall, impressive stuff) Hawkwind: Hall of the Mountain Grill (I just got this... I'm floored!) Massive Attack: Mezzanine Moby: Play Gary Numan: the Pleasure Principle Tears for Fears: the Seeds of Love Also, I expect 'Soundmill Navigator' to arrive tomorrow. Judging from the RealAudio clips I've heard, it'll probably settle into fairly heavy rotation. :) --Daniel NP: the aforementioned Hall of the Mountain Grill From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 6:30 am Subject: Re: What's everyone been listening to? This week: TD - Flashpoint (vinyl bought yesterday at Long Eaton flea market for 2 UKP) Focus - Hamburger Concerto (ditto) Jean-Michel Jarre - Rendez-vous Jean-Michel Jarre - Magnetic Fields Rick Wakeman - Country Airs Rick Wakeman - The Six Wives Of Henry VIII TD - Antarktis/20th Century Serenades Status Quo - Piledriver (ouch!) ELP - Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends ... etc. Invisible Shadows - 'Gift' That'll do. Cheers, Steve. 0n a cold, miserable morning in Nottingham, UK. - -- Home: syensen@i... http://www.innotts.co.uk/~syensen/ Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 8:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] re.what's every one's been listening to >Hi Everyone > I'm new to this list, I live in Perth, Scotland, though >i'm actually a fifer, originally from Dunfermline. Amazing! That makes three TD/EM fans either in or from Dunfermline! As an Aberdonian at heart, I have become a Dunferlinite(?) over the past 10 years. For those in the US and the rest of the world - what are the chances of such a gathering of people in a town of less than 50,000 people? Welcome to the show Derek, hope you enjoy your time here. NP : Music from the Penguin Cafe -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 11:41 am Subject: Identification of a Woman The above film is finally due for a summer release from FACETS MULTIMEDIA... Regards, Michael A. Jean Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 11:41 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator noise > The noise starts during the new layers, why have the noise in the new > layers if the noise is a by-product of the original > recording? This, at Perhaps to 'match' the sound of the old recording to better 'hide' the new stuff. > first glance, seems to be a mastering flaw. Noise starts at minute 3 > during the new layers then goes on till the end through the old layers > too, same level, same pitch, same panning effect from the new > layers to the old layers. Easy enough to do. The wonders of technology. Who knows... in any case it is a nuisance. It is odd that it ping-pongs between the L and R channels though, which would make me think otherwise about a mastering flaw. We may never know the truth. I'm in the process of re-mastering it to filter out the noise as best I can for a personal CDR because its a good CD (without the freaking fft fft ffft :-) KRIS From: 'Andy Bloyce' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 12:07 pm Subject: The Headless Horseman of Hutton Henry Eric Rochon said: > Hi People > > I am wondering if you ever heard of something name « The Headless > Horseman of Hutton Henry Weird ». This great CDR was given to > me and I was > wondering if this band had ever released anything else, where are > they from > and any other related info abotu this band. > > Thank you very much Well Eric, what you have there is a bit of a one-off. The title is actually 'The Headless Horseman of Hutton Henry' and the name of the group is wEirD. This was the demo CDR that became the wEirD album 'A Different Kind of Normal' on Neu Harmony. The version you have is an early one, but it is still mastered to the same standard. The two members of wEirD are also in Kubusschnitt, there's a website at www.kubusschnitt.de, they have more product that wEirD, BTW. All the members are very reclusive and try not to discuss their music too much. Interesting that you have that CDR, I believe *very* few copies exist. Great cover, eh! ;-) Andy Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21860 Re: The Headless Horseman of Hutton Henry craig.cordrey@g... Wed 4/12/2000 4 KB 21884 Re: The Headless Horseman of Hutton Henry Yensen, Stephen Thu 4/13/2000 3 KB From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 1:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Headless Horseman of Hutton Henry >All the members are very reclusive and try not to discuss their music too >much. Sorry to blow the recluse's cover, but if you hadn't already guessed, wEirD are Andy Bloyce and Jens Peschke, both Tadream (and Beyond_EM and ElectronicMusic) list members. Along with Tom Coppens, Ruud Heij, Kent Eskildssen (apologies if mis-spelt) and probablt some others, they form a fairly incestuous collection of musicians who record under a variety of names : Weird Kubusschnitt Nemesis Token Angle Kenton Files Nemesis and probably a few others I've missed. Since Andy appears reluctant to promote his own music, I'll do it for him : See Kubusschnitt and AirSculpture at Jodrell Bank, UK on 10th May. Kubusschnitt's new CD, The Cube, is available now (or soon?) on Neu Harmony. Also from Neu Harmony's CD-R label off-shoot is their first album, The Case. (No fee required from Andy for the above announcements, but maybe he'll buy me a beer at Arcane in a fortnight! 8-)) -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 4:03 pm Subject: Soundmill Navigator Hi! Got my copy of Soundmill Navigator today from Groove. Well, I don't want to say too much, but my first impression is not too bad. O.K., it was tangenized, but I don't think the music was/is destroyed. IMHO(!) the tangenisation is not too bad. Yes, the first 10 minutes are much overdubbed but if you know the original....... Well, I must hear the record more often, to say more. The covers says it's the FIRST HALF of the concert. Where's the 2nd half? I have approx. 50 minutes from this concert. Is that all? Bye... Rainer Rutka NP: SN (what else?) --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 3:11 pm Subject: OT: mail format question Does anybody ever get their mails (particularly Digest subscribers) in a funky format, with symbols and numbers being substituted for letters? Here is an example of what I mean: > Below are selected parts of today's digest (#460). In the sample > you'll find: > * lots of '=20's for trailing spaces, > * =AB and =BB for who knows what, > * '=C9ric' which might really be Èric or a mistyped Eric, > * =3D instead of '=', > * lots of short lines wrapped with '=\n' anyway, including such > ridiculous cases as 'yo=\nu\n' (where \n = newline) where > the line wouldn't have been any longer if left unwrapped, etc. One person gets them this way, and I need to know if more do. Please respond off-list. Thanks, Joe mailto:tadream-owner@o... From: 'Phil White' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 3:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: What's everyone been listening to? I've been listening to the following this week for what it's worth.... Not in any order although probably played Arcane most. Also just got Soundmill but haven't played it yet ( after all the negative comment I'm saving the 'pleasure' ?!? ) Arcane: Future Wreck TD: Encore Synaesthesia: Desideratum Saafi Brothers: Mystic Cigarettes Quietman: Shhhh Rolling Stones: Stripped Various:Wonder Boys Soundtrack John Prine: Lost Dogs And Mixed Blessings Happy dreaming everyone ATB Phil From: 'Carlos A. Martinez' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 5:10 pm Subject: Re: What's everyone been listening to? Hi: I've been listening this week the whole David Bowie discography (+17 CDs, a recent gift); I didn't know him in depth: God, this man is a real genius, with all the hits and misses that a creative human being can be. NP. Space Oddity _____________________________ CARLOS A. MARTINEZ, MONTERREY, MEXICO From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 6:37 pm Subject: Groove.... Hi Folks! Well, as I told you all, I got my package from Groove at the end. It seemed, that the first package they sent to me at the end of march has been 'gone with the wind'. This was the first time, I got this troubles. Fortunately, Groove replaced the whole contents (3 CDs) without any problems. I got my two TD CDs and all CDs from the first order together just some hours ago. Not too bad IMO ;-))))))))))) Ron replaced all without asking more questions. I just wanted to mail this to the group. I'm not angry about Groove. These guyes are o.k.!!! Rainer NP: Soundmill Navigator --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 5:50 pm Subject: what I've been listening to today On holiday this week so this afternoon decided to play Pergamon and Poland, not played them for a long time, forgot the brilliance of this TD Period,will probably play some more vintage tomorrow if it keeps raining. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What's everyone been listening to? Hello everyone! Let's see... I've been playing MO a lot: Incantations, Ommadawn, and Five Miles Out (always!) From Jarre, Equinoxe. Haven't played Metamorphoses for ages. From TD: Pergamon, Force Majeure, Stratosfear, Poland extracts, Le Parc, Ricochet I haven't bought a new CD for ages (last time was JMJ's Meta, more than 1 month ago). I'm looking forward to Encore, Tangram, Exit, Hyperborea, and Klaus Schulze. now playin Tangram part 1 - that first sequence right after the march... LOVE this bit!!!!! (it's an LP recording on a compilation CD-R) Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... ap: |Tangulze Dielft Errja|Michellis Tomitarine| |Mike Van Dream|Klaufs Krasche|Jeanisao Oldgewerk| http://gfjm.cjb.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21868 Re: What's everyone been listening to? Gabe Yedid Wed 4/12/2000 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 6:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] What's everyone been listening to? I haven't been listening to too much this week, except for: JMJ--Metamorphoses Front Line Assembly--Implode TD--_Near Dark_ and _Canyon Dreams_ Burt Bacharach and Elvis Costello (not by choice!) cheers, Gabe From: Michael V Miller Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 6:25 pm Subject: What I listen to Hi all, According to many people I have very strange music tastes or no music taste at all. Here is a lot of what I like to listen to: Movie Soundtracks: John Williams, James Horner, Jerry Goldsmith, Alan Silvestri, Eric Serra, Brad Fiedel, Danny Elfman and a few others, Simon & Garfunkle A-ha, Tears for Fears, Depeche Mode, Talking Heads, Eiffel 65, Petra, Deleriou5? Michael W. Smith, Enya, Enigma, Jean-Michel Jarre, Tomita, Vangelis, A Flock of Seagulls, Ray Lynch, Klaus Schulze, Duran Duran, Gary Numan, Aqua, Other New Wave groups from the 80's that I can't remember now, and of course Tangerine Dream. I found them in 1990 or 1991 I still love the 1973-1988 period the best. There is much more but I can't think of them all now. Mike 'The LORD said to me that He loved me. I asked 'How much?' He said, 'This much.' and stretched out His arms and died on a cross for me.' May you experience the Love of Christ. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 7:39 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: What's everyone been listening to? in no particular order, over the last week or so: * Brahms- compilation Tragic/Academic festival overtures * Grofe- Grand Canyon Suite (blecch! 20th century string-heavy composers make me heave! but I had to listen to it for a work project) * TD- live Brussels '81 * TD- live Palast der Republic evening show * TD- Encore * Bob Marley- Exodus * Blues Traveler- Travelers & Thieves (their best, IMO) * Moby- Play * Roy Orbison- Greatest Hits * Garcia/Grisman- Garcia/Grisman * The Beatles- Revolver * Ozric Tentacles - Become the Other * JM Jarre- Live * Vangelis- Voices (Ask the Mountains= wow!) -joe From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 8:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: What's everyone been listening to? First a comment on Joe's selections: > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [SMTP:joes@c...] > * Grofe- Grand Canyon Suite (blecch! 20th century string-heavy composers > make me heave! but I had to listen to it for a work project) ] I rather like that one actually... > * TD- live Brussels '81 > * TD- live Palast der Republic evening show > ] 2 EXCELLENT shows! > * Moby- Play ] All I've heard of them is their James Bond theme re-mix from one of the Bond soundtracks. Is the rest of their stuff good? > * Ozric Tentacles - Become the Other > ] My good friend LB has loaned me several Ozric concerts. GREAT STUFF! > * Vangelis- Voices (Ask the Mountains= wow!) > ] I love that entire album. It's Phenomenal! On my own I've been listening to Ozric Tentacles live at Boulder, CO Mike Oldfield 'Songs of Distant Earth' Yanni 'Out of Silence' Vangelis 'See You Later' TD - Santa Monica 1980 Patrick O'Hearn 'Mix-Up' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21872 Re: Re: What's everyone been listening to? Sean Montgomery Wed 4/12/2000 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 8:12 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: What's everyone been listening to? On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Owens, James E wrote: > > * Moby- Play > ] All I've heard of them is their James Bond theme re-mix from one > of the Bond soundtracks. Is the rest of their stuff good? Actually, Moby is a one man band. And Play is an excellent record, but quite different from the James Bond theme that he did. Moby's career has taken him from rave anthems like 'Go' and 'Next is the E', to ambient, to angry rock on the 'Animal Rights' record, and club dance music with 'Every Time You Touch Me'. 'Play' takes these styles, and throws in field recordings of American blues singers made in the early 20th century. It's a brilliant combination; the best thing he's done yet (just my opinion, of course). SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 9:33 pm Subject: What have I been listening to? Good thread Poly, Kubusschnitt -The Cube Paul Ellis- Appears To Vanish Patchwork- Patchwork TD- Pergamon Arcane- Future Wreck Air Sculpture- Impossible Geometries AirSculpture- Europa Arcane- Gather Darkness Can Atilla- Ave Gold Tri Vol.1 Red Shift- Ether Under The Dome- The Demon Haunted World Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 9:40 pm Subject: What have I been listening too? I don't know how I forgot to include RAMP's Nodular, which I really enjoyed!! Highly recommended . Must be lack of sleep catching up to me. Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jared White' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 9:28 pm Subject: What I've been listening to lately.... Hello, Here's what I've been listening to over the past few weeks: Alan Hovhaness (like I mentioned in a previous e-mail) Forty Years of Irish Piping by Seamus Ennis Baba Yaga by Annbjørg Lien Tubular Bells III by Mike Oldfield Spirit Trail by Bruce Hornsby No Dowry by Maighread Ní Dhomhnaill Trick of the Tail by Genesis Audion by Synergy Goblins Club by Tangerine Dream Architecture in Motion by Tangerine Dream Snow on Dragon's Peak on Great Wall of China by Tangerine Dream Voxel Ux & Lhasa on Quinoa by Tangerine Dream Psycho by Pyramid Peak (on Invisible Shadow's 'The Gift') Internet sound clips of various EM bands And I've been checking out a bunch of new TD CDs I was very happy to find recently: Pergamon Le Parc Underwater Sunlight Tyger Soundmill Navigator Plus I've been working on my own music as well as working with my Celtic band Distant Oaks as well as producing my brother's new EM album project. Whew! I like music. ;) Regards, Jared __________________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@g... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks (Celtic Music Ensemble): http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Wed Apr 12, 2000 9:51 pm Subject: Re: what's every one's been listening to This week I have mostly been listening to :- TD - Near Dark (OST) Various Artists - The Beach (OST) Eminem - The Slim Shady LP (some wicked lyrics on this - don't play it when your mum's about though! :-) ) Arcane - Gather Darkness (better than Future Wreck IMO) The Bee Gees - One Night Only (so sue me!) Lawry NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21883 Re: what's every one's been listening to Simon Slator Thu 4/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Ken Mitchell' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 2:07 am Subject: Hawkwind - Mountain Grill + Warriors > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:00:59 EDT > From: quarlie@a... >Subject: Re: What's everyone been listening to? > >Hawkwind: Hall of the Mountain Grill (I just got this... I'm floored!) >--Daniel >NP: the aforementioned Hall of the Mountain Grill Yes indeedy a real classic - you must find a copy of the 1975 follow up 'Warriors At The Edge of Time' - it's even better ! Ken ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: aoutland@a... Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 12:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [3 O'clock High] In a message dated 04/10/2000 11:28:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, james.e.owens@b... writes: << 3 O'clock doesn't get much play for me. I always skip the rather cheesy vocal track when I do play it. >> I really like that song. It's uplifting even though it's talking about having painted yourself into a corner somewhat. Perfect for the movie subject. Does anybody know the complete words of the song? What portion I've caught seems to be pretty good poetically. If I had ear phones I could maybe catch the rest of it. But I don't. I agree that the LeVay stuff on the album is excellent, the best on the album in fact. Not to say the TD music isn't good, but they were really reigned in on this one and had no chance to really explore any substantial musical ideas since the tracks were so short. Or maybe they did and the best stuff was cut out by the producer. At least the movie wasn't as bad as Near Dark. That has to be the worst one I've ever seen.....ever. Music's ok though. 8-) Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21893 Re: D:Soundtrack [3 O'clock High] Owens, James E Thu 4/13/2000 3 KB From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 4:11 am Subject: My Okefenokee remarks Hi all! Out of the swamp, and back in the desert. I got back from Georgia yesterday, and I must say it was a well-needed trip for me. It was a fantastic experience all around! The park was beautiful and not crowded by a long shot. It was also great getting to meet Vic, Marcel, James, Jim, Tom and Roger. So now there are faces to go along with the names in the emails. It was also great having the opportunity to make music with Marcel. I enjoyed it more than I would have thought! I hope to do it again sometime, if he ever needs another keyboardist or drummer, or both. :-) It was great getting to hang out with other people who share what is normally a solitary interest for me. We were like longtime friends getting together to enjoy music and nature for a couple of days. I only wish that I could have stayed another day or two. I'm sorry that more people couldn't share in the experience, it was fantastic! Although, I guess that if our group was too large, we might not have had as much free reign of the place as we did. :-) Anyway, my thanks goes to Vic for getting it all together, and his hospitality and generosity. It was a trip to remember for a long time. And it's something I'd definitely would do again. And to think, this trip would have probably never happened had TD never composed a certain song with a title that referred to the Okefenokee! Dave B. From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 7:27 am Subject: Re: What's everybody been listening to <> Did you get the remastered version, with the bonus tracks? And to whoever it was who mentioned Pet Sounds, I always though God Only Knows was one of the most GORGEOUS songs I've ever heard. NP: Hawkwind 'Urban Guerilla' (12/4/79 Gaumont, Ipswich, UK) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 7:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: What's everyone been listening to? In a message dated 4/12/2000 8:27:16 PM !!!First Boot!!!, james.e.owens@b... writes: << Patrick O'Hearn 'Mix-Up' >> *Really? that's the only Patrick O'Hearn that I don't care for.... I Love Ancient Dreams and some of the recent ones like Metaphor.... Poly From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 7:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: what's every one's been listening to In a message dated 4/12/2000 10:01:00 PM !!!First Boot!!!, lawry.simm@f... writes: << The Bee Gees - One Night Only (so sue me!) Lawry >> *Heh,heh.... Actually I always like hearing about people's 'guilty pleasure' music... almost more than the respectable ones...... I have in my collection such absolute loser music such as Bread, Journey, and worst of all (drum roll please....) a ten CD set of '70's AM gold hits...... Hey! everyone likes a candy bar now and then..... Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21892 Re: Re: what's every one's been listening to Nick Adams Thu 4/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 8:59 am Subject: re: Re: Re: what's every one's been listening to Well, if you consider Journey to be loser music..... then it feels good to be a loser!!!! ----------- ><< The Bee Gees - One Night Only (so sue me!) > Lawry >> > *Heh,heh.... Actually I always like hearing about people's 'guilty pleasure' > music... almost more than the respectable ones...... > I have in my collection such absolute loser music such as > Bread, Journey, and worst of all (drum roll please....) > a ten CD set of '70's AM gold hits...... > Hey! everyone likes a candy bar now and then..... > Poly ============== Simon Slator Website: http://pages.zoom.co.uk/simon.slator Download my own music at: http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 10:25 am Subject: Re: The Headless Horseman of Hutton Henry I also have that CD-R, which is brilliant IMHO. WHO are the models on the cover? Jens is also a member of Navigator (along with Kent Eskildsen and Tony Andersen), and has also recorded under the moniker JoxBox. Cheers, Steve. 'Alcohol gave me wings to fly, then it took away the sky' - -- Home: syensen@i... http://www.innotts.co.uk/~syensen/ Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 11:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 461 Damn you all! For days, I've scoured the Soundmill Navigator posts loooking for info on the CONTENT of the new cd, and all I can find is a endless thread about the popping mystery and problem of tangentization. WILL SOMEONE PLEASE DISCUSS THE MUSIC ITSELF? Is it all new content never before released, or is it just a small sectin of new material, like sohoman. Gracias. Inquiring minds want to know. Back to lurk. -Alan Cox Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21886 Re: Digest Number 461 Heiko Heerssen Thu 4/13/2000 3 KB 21887 Re: Digest Number 461 Rhen, Kris Thu 4/13/2000 2 KB 21890 Re: Digest Number 461 Feldon Feldon Thu 4/13/2000 3 KB 21901 Re: Digest Number 461 Jim Moore Thu 4/13/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 11:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 461 aslanfan1@a... wrote: > Damn you all! > > For days, I've scoured the Soundmill Navigator posts loooking for info on the > CONTENT of the new cd, and all I can find is a endless thread about the > popping mystery and problem of tangentization. > > WILL SOMEONE PLEASE DISCUSS THE MUSIC ITSELF? Is it all new content never > before released, or is it just a small sectin of new material, like sohoman. All the music on 'Soundmill Navigator' is totally new. NOTHING of it was officially released at an earlier date. The concert took place on June 27th, 1976 at the Philharmonic Hall in Berlin. The booklet says that what can be heard on SN is only the first half of the concert. As far as I know no-one has a recording of Part 2 (and the encore, if there was any). The original recording (which had a length of 30 minutes) was broadcasted on German Radio (on the same day?) with the artificial head system ('Kunstkopf'), but there also exists a 'normal' audience recording. To sum it up: Soundmill Navigator's music is 100% (or shall I say 150% ;-) new. Heiko From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 11:23 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 461 It sounds like this: 'fft fffft fft ffffft ffft ffftt' :-) Sorry, really I liked what I heard (Tangentizing aside), but the noise is REALLY annoying, and thus the main topic of discussion in relation to the CD. Kristopher W. Rhen (krhen@s...) > Damn you all! > > For days, I've scoured the Soundmill Navigator posts loooking > for info on the > CONTENT of the new cd, and all I can find is a endless thread > about the popping mystery and problem of tangentization. > > WILL SOMEONE PLEASE DISCUSS THE MUSIC ITSELF? Is it all new > content never > before released, or is it just a small sectin of new > material, like sohoman. From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 11:44 am Subject: Re: Discography Just a note to thank those who offered suggestions about organizing my TD collection. I've printed out all the relevant messages and will spend some time at the various suggested web sites, when time permits. There are many I didn't know about, so thanks again. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Micke Stark' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 1:16 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Mars Polaris Mispressings Matrix no: IFPI 5226 (DOCdata Germany TDI CD 016 IFPI L357) I find it in recordshop today :-),in Gothenburg (Sweden), it was their last copy :-( Regards /Micke >Did anybody out there come accross such a CD? Could you please tell the matrix >number from the CD body? This could help collectors to check CDs in their local >record store and to pick up the mispressed CDs, even if they do not follow TD's >purpose: ;-) From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 461 >aslanfan1@a... wrote: > > > For days, I've scoured the Soundmill Navigator posts loooking for info >on the > > CONTENT of the new cd, and all I can find is a endless thread about the > > popping mystery and problem of tangentization. > > > > WILL SOMEONE PLEASE DISCUSS THE MUSIC ITSELF? Is it all new content >never > > before released, or is it just a small sectin of new material, like >sohoman. Well, the details of Soundmill Navigator are listed on TDI's website, but if you need them, essentially, Soundmill Navigator starts out with 10 minutes of new music. Then it sort of fades in to the first half of the 1976 Philharmonic concert, except with numerous year 2000 melodic additions and meddlings (tangentization). In short, none of the music is untouched. Also, the disc has mastering flaws, which results in a *ch* *ch* sound that repeats throughout the whole 35+ minute disc (why does TDI feel the need to waste our time with discs less than 60 minutes?). Basically, if you want the original concert, undoctored, there are concert tapes around. If you want Edgar's interpretation (mostly done with new paint), grab Soundmill Navigator. This follows in the same vein as Sohoman, as you mentioned. -Morgan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 1:29 pm Subject: Re: What's everyone been listening to? well, it changes a lot, but this is sort of a constant subset of what's in my CD player. As my Rega Planar 3 turntable is currently located in another country, some things are missing. Beethoven - complete Violin Sonatas played by Anne Sophie Mutter - great recording John Cage - String Quartetts (in two Volumes, Arditti String Quartett) Vince Guaraldi - played by George Winston (you know that tune from the Peanuts, don't you?) Aziza Mustafa Zadeh - ALL her 5 albums. Sigh.... I love her. Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters, and more. Cool to jam to. Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mantra is a genius piece. Play it again and again and again (after all its called Mantra) Ravi Shankar - to flood my living room with some fine energies Stevie Ray Vaughan - especially 'Texas Flood' and 'Couldn't Stand the Weather' The Anonymous Four - the 'real' Spice Girls! Tom Waits - my favourite album is 'Swordfishtrombones' anything sung by Maria Callas and of course TD and KS (Mirage, X, Live, Dune, Digit, InterFace, and the first CD of the Jubilee Edition are Kick-Ass!) From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 2:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: what's every one's been listening to Ok, here are a few albums i have listened to over the past few days, Santana / Supernatural Der Laborant/ Kontakt Omega / Gammapoilis TD / Soundmill Navigator Tim Blake / Paris 1977 Eloy / Floating Eloy / Ocean Eloy / Ocean 2 Far east family band / The cave, down to earth Kubuschnitt / The Cube Arcane / Future wreck Schulze / Dune Triumvirat / Sparticus Waveshape / Vestige the next steps And i am now playing the new RMI album '' Upstairs downstairs'' quite stunning so far, but haven't heard it all yet. Nick Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 3:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [3 O'clock High] Never seen 3 O'clock, but I actually liked Near Dark... Kind of a cool cult vampire flick, like a less popular version of lost boys. But if you aren't into that sort of thing, I could see it being just cheesy and gruesome. > -----Original Message----- > From: aoutland@a... [SMTP:aoutland@a...] > At least the movie wasn't as bad as Near Dark. That has to be the > worst > one I've ever seen.....ever. Music's ok though. 8-) Dell > From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 3:34 pm Subject: O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? It's lively and keeps me awake at work. My favorite is 'River's Gonna Rise' along with the first 2 tracks of 'Indigo' (talk about dark and eerie... I used these two tracks as background music for Ravenloft games...) James > -----Original Message----- > From: Synthhtnys@a... [SMTP:Synthhtnys@a...] > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 2:33 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: What's everyone been listening to? > > In a message dated 4/12/2000 8:27:16 PM !!!First Boot!!!, > james.e.owens@b... writes: > > << Patrick O'Hearn 'Mix-Up' >> > > *Really? that's the only Patrick O'Hearn that I don't care for.... > I Love Ancient Dreams and some of the recent ones like Metaphor.... > > Poly > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Smart enough to know that the BH Surfers aren't from Beverly Hills? > New Music Site needs alt rock fan to rate songs. > Have your say, earn compensation too. JABOOM.com > http://click.egroups.com/1/3348/3/_/24785/_/955611218/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 4:54 pm Subject: RE:O'hearn I liked ancient dreams too, maybe I should try Metaphor. I haven't been checking his stuff out for years. Message: 25 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 03:33:29 EDT From: Synthhtnys@a... Subject: Re: Re: What's everyone been listening to? In a message dated 4/12/2000 8:27:16 PM !!!First Boot!!!, james.e.owens@b... writes: << Patrick O'Hearn 'Mix-Up' >> *Really? that's the only Patrick O'Hearn that I don't care for.... I Love Ancient Dreams and some of the recent ones like Metaphor.... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Bennett Cookson Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 4:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? Excellent music: My favorites are 'River's Gonna Rise,' Eldorado, and all but the first 2 tracks of 'Indigo' (too dark and eerie for me) On Eldorado, Mark Isham plays a really cool Flugelhorn on tracks 6 and 9. 'There's Always tomorrow' (track 10) is one of those mellow soothing masterpieces. I like everything except Mix-up (too mixed up) and Metaphor (too much ultra low bass) --Bennett np: Eldorado [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21902 Re: O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening C. Chambers Thu 4/13/2000 2 KB 21904 Re: O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening C. Chambers Thu 4/13/2000 3 KB 21907 Re: O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening C. Chambers Thu 4/13/2000 3 KB 21909 Re: O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening Jim Moore Thu 4/13/2000 2 KB 21911 Re: O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening Craig Chambers Thu 4/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 4:47 pm Subject: RE: Music this week * TD- this weeks best of CDR (cuts from Tangents, Book of Dreams) * Mind~flux - current favorites CDR * Bob Marley - best of CDR * Joe Satriani - Engines of Creation * Steve Vai - best of CDR * Alan Parsons - Time Machine All the CDRs are from CDs I bought [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 5:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: What's everyone been listening to? > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James E [mailto:james.e.owens@b...] ... > > * Grofe- Grand Canyon Suite (blecch! 20th century > string-heavy composers > > make me heave! but I had to listen to it for a work project) > ] I rather like that one actually... ok, ok. I'll give it a second shot. honestly, I didn't listen to the whole thing yet, and work is not exactly the right environment- I should take it home on the headphones, with a good cigar and a couple bottles of dopplebock. maybe have some Bonanza or The Big Valley reruns in the background witht he sound off... > > * TD- live Brussels '81 > > * TD- live Palast der Republic evening show > ] 2 EXCELLENT shows! 2 'knock your socks off' shows. hard to decide which I like better, but Brussels may be the best show of the period. > > > * Moby- Play > ] All I've heard of them is their James Bond theme > re-mix from one > of the Bond soundtracks. Is the rest of their stuff good? I've been so far out of the loop that I hadn't even heard of him until last year. Moby's drummer brought his mac in for repair, and gave us a demo tape and some tix to the show, and I didn't even listen tot he tape until after I missed the show. I kicked myself hard for that one. 'Play' is very good all the way through. I recommend it. > > > * Ozric Tentacles - Become the Other > > > ] My good friend LB has loaned me several Ozric > concerts. GREAT STUFF! yup. got about 10 albums now. Funny, I played one at poker last week and one of the guys said it sounded like 'Eddy Van Halen meets Kraftwerk'. LOL! I usually hear 'Hawkwind meets TD', but I guess his was the more mainstream version... > > * Vangelis- Voices (Ask the Mountains= wow!) > ] I love that entire album. It's Phenomenal! no doubt. and you know, Vangelis (that's a hard G, BTW) taught himself music since age 4... > Yanni 'Out of Silence' I know, listening to Yanni is kinda like the moped/fat chick joke. It's good until your friends find out. ;-) From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 5:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: What's everyone been listening to? well, i guess he had people with him on this last tour. maybe he does everything by himself in the studio... > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@t...] ... > Actually, Moby is a one man band. And Play is an excellent From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 7:47 pm Subject: I ran into Chris Franke yesterday (literally!) Hey folks... Yesterday the coolest thing happened...I was in Vegas for the NAB (National Association of Broadcasters) tradeshow which is one of the largest non-consumer oriented tradeshows in the world. Here, they have showcases for all manner of things associated with broadcast radio, television, studio production, etc. It is really a cool show if you are a techie like me. Anyway, I just left a very high level meeting with a lot of tension across the table and was kinda in a daze and thought I would shoot over to the Tascam booth to check out what's new with some of their DAT gear. So I am strolling along and I am talking to my wife on the cell phone, not really paying attention and I bump right into this guy...I look him staright in the eye and say 'Chris??' 'Christoph??' and realizing it is him I hang up on my wife! So he looks at me and says 'I know you?' and I say 'no, no...I know you though, from your wonderful music!' My heart is pounding and my head is spinning as I am trying to think of what to say. So he asked me what I do for a living and I explain to him that I am in the digital satellite TV business so he starts telling about how he just signed up for Direct TV and just loves the quality. I ask him what he is doing at NAB and how it is going and he says that he is working on some multimedia things using High Definition for the video and was just checking things out. He asked me where I was from and I told him Atlanta...we chatted briefly a bit more and he said he had to run and catch a flight back to LA. So I was tempted to ask him for an autograph, but I really didn't want to take away from the moment...I shook his hand and said 'it was a pleasure meeting you' and he turned and drifted away into a crowd of people. After I pulled my head from the rafters, I called my wife back and she said 'YOU HUNG UP ON ME!!!' I said 'I know, I know, but I ran into Chris Franke!' her response was 'Who??' 'Chris Franke...Tangerine Dream!!' 'Who is he? a member or something??' 'Not just a member, but one of THE members!'...her response was 'oh...hmmm' I guess some people just don't get as excited about certain things as I do. So here I am going into another meeting, and I am grinning and still floating and everybody is looking at me. My boss looks at me and says, 'Craig, you look like a cat who just caught a mouse, what's up?' and I replied, 'oh nothing, I just ran into a very old and dear friend and it made my day.' Needless to say, yesterday was a wonderful day! Craig From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 5:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 461 From: 'Feldon Feldon' > repeats throughout the whole 35+ minute disc (why does TDI feel the need to > waste our time with discs less than 60 minutes?). My time wasn't wasted... - jim From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 8:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? > Excellent music: My favorites are 'River's Gonna Rise,' Eldorado, and all > but the first 2 tracks of 'Indigo' (too dark and eerie for me) > > On Eldorado, Mark Isham plays a really cool Flugelhorn on tracks 6 and 9. > 'There's Always tomorrow' (track 10) is one of those mellow soothing > masterpieces. Eldorado is Great!! Man, this album is full of wonderful music...'Hear Our Prayer' is one of those rare spine-tinglers IMO. Thanks for this thread...I am listening to this again right now (it has been a few years). I love Isham's flugelhorn and Peter Maunu's guitar/violin work... From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 8:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE:O'hearn The Private Music releases are more melodic, where the Deep Cave releases get into more dark ambient territory, yet keeping that punching bass line around to keep it moving...I miss Patrick. > I liked ancient dreams too, maybe I should try Metaphor. > I haven't been checking his stuff out for years. > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21913 Re: RE:O'hearn Synthhtnys@a... Thu 4/13/2000 2 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 9:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? > > > Excellent music: My favorites are 'River's Gonna Rise,' Eldorado, and all > > but the first 2 tracks of 'Indigo' (too dark and eerie for me) > > > > On Eldorado, Mark Isham plays a really cool Flugelhorn on tracks 6 and 9. > > 'There's Always tomorrow' (track 10) is one of those mellow soothing > > masterpieces. > > Eldorado is Great!! Man, this album is full of wonderful music...'Hear Our > Prayer' is one of those rare spine-tinglers IMO. Thanks for this thread...I > am listening to this again right now (it has been a few years). > > I love Isham's flugelhorn and Peter Maunu's guitar/violin work... One more comment...as I am listening, I recall the majesty of 'Black Delilah', MAN! What a killer tune...this is one of those that could go on for hours, but it stops way too short at 5 min. With the exception of KS work with Tiepold, this rates as the best combination of string/electronics that have graced my ears... Okay, another comment. 'Chattahoochie Field Day' is the next track. It too is really great with a nice bass melody. This song reminds me of the '70's when we used to go rafting down the Chattahoochie River on a quiet weekend with a cooler of refreshments and some 'stuff' that had a funny smell when it burned...not a care in the world. Man, I love this CD. Any other Atlanta folks remeber the Chattahoochie Raft race days? Craig From: tom807@a... Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 5:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I ran into Chris Franke yesterday (literally!) In a message dated 4/13/00 1:19:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, craigchambers@c... writes: > .I look him staright in the > eye and say 'Chris??' 'Christoph??' and realizing it is him I hang up on my > wife! I talked to Chris(tophe) on the telephone once. He is the most sincere, friendly person I'd ever have the pleasure of stammering to. -- Tom http://www.mp3.com/tom807 From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 5:55 pm Subject: Music listening environment (was: grand Cayon Suite conversation...) I'm sort of partial to Grand Canyon Suite, because my dad used to put on the LP, light a few candles and turn out all the lights. All four of us would sit there in the living room and just live in the music. He played other things too, like Bolero, The Sorceror's Apprentice, etc. Thanks Dad for teaching me how to appreciate music! In later years we'd pop on Kitaro 'In Person' or Vangelis 'Opera Sauvage' and 'Chariots of Fire' or Yanni 'Out of Silence'. (I didn't discover TD until college, after I moved away from home). In Defense of Yanni, his earlier works are quite powerful and VERY heavy in Synth with nice driving rythms and even a sequencer or arpeggiator here and there. Listen to 'Strings' from _Optimystique_ and you'll gain a new respect for him! James > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [SMTP:joes@c...] > > > * Grofe- Grand Canyon Suite (blecch! 20th century > > ok, ok. I'll give it a second shot. honestly, I didn't listen to the > whole > thing yet, and work is not exactly the right environment- I should take it > home on the headphones, with a good cigar and a couple bottles of > dopplebock. maybe have some Bonanza or The Big Valley reruns in the > background witht he sound off... > > > Yanni 'Out of Silence' > > I know, listening to Yanni is kinda like the moped/fat chick joke. It's > good until your friends find out. ;-) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > eLerts > It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! > http://click.egroups.com/1/3080/3/_/24785/_/955645880/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 9:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? > > > Excellent music: My favorites are 'River's Gonna Rise,' Eldorado, and all > > but the first 2 tracks of 'Indigo' (too dark and eerie for me) > > > > On Eldorado, Mark Isham plays a really cool Flugelhorn on tracks 6 and 9. > > 'There's Always tomorrow' (track 10) is one of those mellow soothing > > masterpieces. > > Eldorado is Great!! Man, this album is full of wonderful music...'Hear Our > Prayer' is one of those rare spine-tinglers IMO. Thanks for this thread...I > am listening to this again right now (it has been a few years). > > I love Isham's flugelhorn and Peter Maunu's guitar/violin work... One more comment...as I am listening, I recall the majesty of 'Black Delilah', MAN! What a killer tune...this is one of those that could go on for hours, but it stops way too short at 5 min. With the exception of KS work with Tiepold, this rates as the best combination of string/electronics that have graced my ears... Okay, another comment. 'Chattahoochie Field Day' is the next track. It too is really great with a nice bass melody. This song reminds me of the '70's when we used to go rafting down the Chattahoochie River on a quiet weekend with a cooler of refreshments and some 'stuff' that had a funny smell when it burned...not a care in the world. Man, I love this CD. Any other Atlanta folks remeber the Chattahoochie Raft race days? Craig From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 6:46 pm Subject: Recommendations wanted about KS Hello dreamers! Maybe I asked this before here, but I'd like to know what to buy first from KS. I heard bits of Moondawn and Dig It. I had the impression that Moondawn is an extremely slow-developing album, and I have cloudy memories of the final part of Floating as an electronic frenzy. I found Dig It a bit weird; but I think I liked it. I'm not sure what I should get from KS for a good start; Mirage? Moondawn? Timewind? Irrlicht? X? Trancefer? It would be great if someone could give me a briefing about KS's best albums, what the music sound like, or direct me to a site where I could find this information, or some place where I could find music excerpts. Anyway,thanks,always Jobim playing Logos part 2 (last 5 minutes) - it's my favourite track in this album, surely. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... ap: |Tangulze Dielft Errja|Michellis Tomitarine| |Mike Van Dream|Klaufs Krasche|Jeanisao Oldgewerk| http://gfjm.cjb.net From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 7:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? > Any other Atlanta folks remeber the Chattahoochie Raft race days? > Craig I remember the Chattahoochie-get-really-drunk-and-sunburned days... Ever notice that no one ever floats south of Atlanta Road? - jim From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 8:37 pm Subject: RE Yanni, Tango and O'Hearn In reference to Yanni, hell, I'm not ashamed to say that I love his music! I have every CD of his. Yeah, his music is a bit mellow, new-ageish, but he has great melodies. I can't recall a track of his that I couldn't stand or one that I had to skip. I can't say that about TD. With TD it's more often hit or miss. I have to say that I absolutely abhor 'Purple Haze' with passion! Not to mention the other night I was listening to TD's Tango for the first time the other night and after I heard the first five tracks I had to turn the damn CD player off! I found myself asking myself, 'What the hell is this techno dance crap!?' I sure as hell hope the rest of the this double CD is better than this, otherwise, I'm in for a major dissappointment! But after all is said and done I still love TD and they're second to none in my book. But what about 'Tango', I haven't heard anything from anybody about Tango? You guys brought up O'Hearn so I had to bring out one my of six CD's that I have of his and I had to put on Sacred Heart [In repeat mode for about six or eight spins]. That's one of my favorite all-time tracks. Great piano and bass line. Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? > > Any other Atlanta folks remeber the Chattahoochie Raft race days? > > Craig > > I remember the Chattahoochie-get-really-drunk-and-sunburned days... > > Ever notice that no one ever floats south of Atlanta Road? Could it have anything to do with the fact that the Water Treatment Plant expels its contents in that general area? :-) From: 'twosheds' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 7:58 pm Subject: : Re: O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? >> Excellent music: My favorites are 'River's Gonna Rise,' Eldorado, and all >> but the first 2 tracks of 'Indigo' (too dark and eerie for me) > >> On Eldorado, Mark Isham plays a really cool Flugelhorn on tracks 6 and 9. >> 'There's Always tomorrow' (track 10) is one of those mellow soothing >> masterpieces. >Eldorado is Great!! Man, this album is full of wonderful music...'Hear Our >Prayer' is one of those rare spine-tinglers IMO. Thanks for this thread...I >am listening to this again right now (it has been a few years). >I love Isham's flugelhorn and Peter Maunu's guitar/violin work... Finally! Another Isham fan! He's kind of a whore when it comes to soundtracks, in that he'll do just about anything they shove in front of him, but he's still great. We listened to the soundtrack to 'The Beast' a few years back while driving across the Mojave Desert. Fit the mood perfectly. 'Tibet' is another of my faves. Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21923 Isham Michael A Jean Fri 4/14/2000 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 8:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE:O'hearn In a message dated 4/13/2000 5:52:49 PM !!!First Boot!!!, craigchambers@c... writes: << The Private Music releases are more melodic, where the Deep Cave releases get into more dark ambient territory, yet keeping that punching bass line around to keep it moving...I miss Patrick. >> *I like the deep cave releases very much...I have to say that I saw Patrick O'Hearn live (I believe it was the River's Gonna Rise tour) and it was the best EM/New Age/ Ambient (whatever) show I've ever seen... he's a great performer. I hope he tours again.... Poly From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 8:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE Yanni, Tango and O'Hearn A few a Yanni's tracks are a bit too mellow for me, but I like most all of his stuff. I went to his concert at The Forum in L.A. AWESOME! My wife was really impressed. She likes Yanni music, but was kind of expecting it to be rather dull to watch a guy sit and play on a synth (even after seeing 'Live at the Acropolis' on video). We were both really pumped after the concert. Yanni is a real performer and puts on a very impressive show. There's probably not much talk about Tango because it's a compilation. No New material = no new discussion... > -----Original Message----- > In reference to Yanni, hell, I'm not ashamed to say that I love his > music! I have every CD of his. Yeah, his music is a bit mellow, > new-ageish, but he has great melodies. I can't recall a track of his that > I couldn't stand or one that I had to skip. I can't say that about TD. > With TD it's more often hit or miss. I have to say that I absolutely abhor > 'Purple Haze' with passion! Not to mention the other night I was > listening to TD's Tango for the first time the other night and after I > heard the first five tracks I had to turn the damn CD player off! I found > myself asking myself, 'What the hell is this techno dance crap!?' I sure > as hell hope the rest of the this double CD is better than this, > otherwise, I'm in for a major dissappointment! But after all is said and > done I still love TD and they're second to none in my book. But what about > 'Tango', I haven't heard anything from anybody about Tango? > > From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] : Re: O'Hearn (was: What's everyone been listening to? > Finally! Another Isham fan! He's kind of a whore when it comes to > soundtracks, in that he'll do just about anything they shove in front of > him, but he's still great. We listened to the soundtrack to 'The Beast' a > few years back while driving across the Mojave Desert. Fit the mood > perfectly. 'Tibet' is another of my faves. 'The Beast'...hmmm, maybe my all time favorite soundtrack, okay not as good as Peter Gabriel's 'Passion' but very close! From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 9:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Music listening environment (was: grand Cayon Suite conversation...) well, i'm making a joke out of it (a bad one),but I mean that I like some yanni. what did somebody call it 'guilty pleasures'? I like Bread, too. a lot. > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James E [mailto:james.e.owens@b...] > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 1:55 PM > To: 'tadream@egroups.com' > Subject: [tadream] Music listening environment (was: grand Cayon Suite > conversation...) > > > I'm sort of partial to Grand Canyon Suite, because my dad > used to put on the > LP, light a few candles and turn out all the lights. All > four of us would > sit there in the living room and just live in the music. He > played other > things too, like Bolero, The Sorceror's Apprentice, etc. > > Thanks Dad for teaching me how to appreciate music! > > In later years we'd pop on Kitaro 'In Person' or Vangelis > 'Opera Sauvage' > and 'Chariots of Fire' or Yanni 'Out of Silence'. > (I didn't discover TD until college, after I moved away from home). > > In Defense of Yanni, his earlier works are quite powerful and > VERY heavy in > Synth with nice driving rythms and even a sequencer or > arpeggiator here and > there. Listen to 'Strings' from _Optimystique_ and you'll gain a new > respect for him! > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Shoults [SMTP:joes@c...] > > > > * Grofe- Grand Canyon Suite (blecch! 20th century > > > > ok, ok. I'll give it a second shot. honestly, I didn't > listen to the > > whole > > thing yet, and work is not exactly the right environment- I > should take it > > home on the headphones, with a good cigar and a couple bottles of > > dopplebock. maybe have some Bonanza or The Big Valley reruns in the > > background witht he sound off... > > > > > Yanni 'Out of Silence' > > > > I know, listening to Yanni is kinda like the moped/fat > chick joke. It's > > good until your friends find out. ;-) > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > eLerts > > It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! > > http://click.egroups.com/1/3080/3/_/24785/_/955645880/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Smart enough to know that the BH Surfers aren't from Beverly Hills? > New Music Site needs alt rock fan to rate songs. > Have your say, earn compensation too. JABOOM.com > http://click.egroups.com/1/3348/3/_/24785/_/955649551/ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > From: 'teiwaz _' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 9:11 pm Subject: what I've been listening to... what I've been listening to this week TD 10/25/81 Newcastle City Hall TD Soundmill Navigator TD Real Berlin Philharmonics TD Rerecordings from the Tangents Box set Ian Boddy and Chris Carter--Caged Material--Wake Up and Dream Keller and SchoenWaelder--Concerts and More Loops The WHO--Bridge School Benefits 10/30/99 and 10/31/99 'Acoustic' --teiwaz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 9:50 pm Subject: Shepard's Bush single question Hi all, Are the versions of 'Eleanor Rigby' and 'Theif Yang and the Tangram Seal' the same on Shepard's Bush and Dream Encores? I have Dream Encores, but not Shepard's Bush, and wondered if it is the same content. Thanks, James From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Mars Polaris Mispressing Matrix Dear Mars hunters, > Subject: SV: Mars Polaris Mispressings > > > Matrix no: IFPI 5226 (DOCdata Germany TDI CD 016 IFPI L357) > I find it in recordshop today :-),in Gothenburg (Sweden), it > was their last copy :-( My 'correct' copy has the matrxi number: DOCdata Germany TDI EFA CD 63016 IFPI L 357 the differences are: - no 'IFPI 5226' at the beginning of the matrix code - 'EFA CD 63016' instead of 'CD 016' Happy hunting for the 'IFPI 5226' versions!!! Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22001 976 KB in Concert Rainer Rutka Sun 4/16/2000 3 KB 22002 Sorry! Rainer Rutka Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB From: 'Herod, Galen (NBC)' Date: Thu Apr 13, 2000 9:45 pm Subject: private message for twosheds Love the nickname. I'm a composer and I actually have two sheds! G Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. From: aoutland@a... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 12:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] What's everyone been listening to? In a message dated 04/11/2000 4:41:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Synthhtnys@a... writes: << I've been into >> NP: TD: Manchester 11-15-76 What A Blast Great Wall of China Non TD: Blackmores/Night: Shadow of the Moon BBC Radiophonic Workshop Compilation K Shulze/A Grossner: Babel Tangerine Ambiance: Tributes to TD Franke: McBain From: 'Steven ' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 12:31 am Subject: What's everyone been listening to? Hey all, Currently, I cannot STOP listening to The Soundtrack To the video game Starfox (It is excellent, I am sure some of you would like it & it is also RARE!) Lately, I am also 'addicted' to the soundtrack of The Dr. Who: Ghost Light. (TGF ebay) I may get some more of these. :) Used to feel the same way about the soundtrackto Robot Carnival! It is short clips like 3'Clock High & Dead Solid Perfect. But it is Totally Super Excellent!!!! Got GWOC have not really 'listened' to it. Since there is so much bitching about SN, may not get it at all.. Yeah, Right! LOL siberkat From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 2:06 am Subject: Isham I just got an autographed cd for his new Film RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. I won a contest in his newsletter. MJ > - > >I love Isham's flugelhorn and Peter Maunu's guitar/violin work... > > Finally! Another Isham fan! He's kind of a whore when it comes to > soundtracks, in that he'll do just about anything they shove in front of > him, but he's still great. We listened to the soundtrack to 'The Beast' a > few years back while driving across the Mojave Desert. Fit the mood > perfectly. 'Tibet' is another of my faves. > > Scott > > > > From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 2:15 am Subject: Re: (OT) Hall of the Mountain Grill In a message dated 4/13/00 3:29:04 AM, kohntarkosz@y... writes: ><got this... I'm floored!)>> > >Did you get the remastered version, with the >bonus tracks? Indeed I did. Expensive, but worth it. Actually, I don't believe any other versions of the album were available on the sites I checked. --Daniel NP: Soundmill Navigator (very good, even with the new additions) From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 4:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Recommendations wanted about KS Greetings! When you hear one KS cd you have basically heard them all! Rick NP-The Beach Soundtrack (This is a good soundtrack) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21928 Re: Recommendations wanted about KS Synthhtnys@a... Fri 4/14/2000 2 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 5:15 am Subject: Re: Soundmill Navigator length In a message dated 4/13/00 9:28:51 AM, feldon23@h... writes: >Also, >the disc has mastering flaws, which results in a *ch* *ch* sound that >repeats throughout the whole 35+ minute disc (why does TDI feel the need >to waste our time with discs less than 60 minutes?). Why is an album a waste of time just because it's not as long as it could be? Almost all of TD's '70s albums are well under an hour. Does that make 'Rubycon,' at about 35 minutes, a waste of time as well? I don't mind people criticizing TD, but here it seems like you're actively looking for things to bash. Aren't the contents of SN's 41 minutes more important than the 41 minutes themselves? Just my opinion. --Daniel NP: Front 242--06:21:03:11 Up Evil From: Chris Richards Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 6:05 am Subject: Re: Brush With Greatness Craig!!! Great story!!! I know what you mean about how some people just seem to not get what the big deal is. My co-workers can't comprehend why I go to shows three or four hours before the doors open. Well, one is because I get antsy hanging around the house, and the other is of course, I've met a lot of really cool people (the only autographs missing from my copy of the Yes album Relayer are Patrick Moraz and Roger Dean) because I showed up early. :-) They might not understand the big deal about meeting Jon Anderson or Steve Howe (they would really be impressed if I said that I had met Don McLean or one of those nerds who sang Afternoon Delight), but like I really care, ya know? :-) NP: Yes 'Time And A Word' (Yesshows) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 8:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Recommendations wanted about KS In a message dated 4/14/2000 4:49:08 AM !!!First Boot!!!, rbrown4856@a... writes: << When you hear one KS cd you have basically heard them all! Rick NP-The Beach Soundtrack (This is a good soundtrack) >> *I'd say that's relatively true for the last decade or so, but not at all of the '70's work... X sounds nothing like Mirage which sounds nothing like Moondawn which sounds nothing like Picture Music or Body Love or Timewind..........Which, if you haven't guessed are the ones I'd recommend you check out.... A patient ear is rewarded with these works, but if you like your music more on the accessible side it may not be to your liking,,,, Poly From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 11:36 am Subject: Re: Recommendations wanted about KS /RE: [tadream] Digest Number 464 > Re: Recommendations wanted about KS > > In a message dated 4/14/2000 4:49:08 AM !!!First Boot!!!, > rbrown4856@a... > writes: > > << When you hear one KS cd you have basically heard them all! > > *I'd say that's relatively true for the last decade or so, but not at all > of > the > '70's work... X sounds nothing like Mirage which sounds nothing like > Moondawn > which sounds nothing like Picture Music or Body Love > or Timewind..........Which, if you haven't guessed are the ones I'd > recommend > you check out.... A patient ear is rewarded with these works, but if you > like > your music more on the accessible side it may not be > to your liking,,,, > > Poly > > Well Poly, Here I partly agree with you, but I think that there is still progression in KS music, Listen to In Blue or Are you sequenced? Or try the Darkside of the Moog albums. My favs are : Timewind, Mirage, X, Body Love, Entrance and believe it or not 'Das Wagner Disaster' Keep on Dreamin' Bert aka Phrozenlight my Homepage http://go.to/phrozenlight (always under construction) please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-) From: izyrp@o... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 12:58 pm Subject: Soundmill Navigator once again I've got Soundmill Navigator today and I don't know, if I ever can put up with this bloody ssssssssfffft,sssssssffft-sound.Without reading your comments about it, I'd have thought this sound is just a synth-generated rhythmical element as often used in the studio by Klaus Schulze. But with the SN -recording-time passing by I'd have started to think that this 'rhythmical element' kind of gotten out of control during the so called 'improvised 1976 concert performance' .As you said it's not even this very concert that we have here. It's a shame really, that TDI is claiming in the booklet to sell something which is not what we can hear and they even dare to release such a technically poor recording on which we are supposed to listen more to a damaged old tape's sounds than to any concert performance. I will stop here, otherwise I may go to far here in my disappointment. What was on Edgars mind while doing it? I still can't believe that the dudes on 'electronic music' could be particularly right with what they saying! Zbig From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 1:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Soundmill Navigator length >From: quarlie@a... >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Re: Soundmill Navigator length >Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:15:49 EDT > >In a message dated 4/13/00 9:28:51 AM, feldon23@h... writes: > > >Also, > >the disc has mastering flaws, which results in a *ch* *ch* sound that > >repeats throughout the whole 35+ minute disc (why does TDI feel the need > >to waste our time with discs less than 60 minutes?). > >Why is an album a waste of time just because it's not as long as it could >be? >Almost all of TD's '70s albums are well under an hour. Does that make >'Rubycon,' at about 35 minutes, a waste of time as well? Rubycon and all of those albums had to fit in 42 minutes as those were the limitations of a vinyl album. You'll notice that some artists have re-released material from back then on CD and added 20-30 minutes of more material to make it more worthwhile. >I don't mind people criticizing TD, but here it seems like you're actively >looking for things to bash. Aren't the contents of SN's 41 minutes more >important than the 41 minutes themselves? Sorry, to complain. I just think both halves of the Philharmonic could've been stuck on there, or at least the first half and then the first movement of the 2nd half. And yes, the content is more important. -Morgan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21939 Re: Re: Soundmill Navigator length Antonio Nunes Fri 4/14/2000 2 KB 21975 Re: Why the flawed English, TD? Andrew Rozsa Sat 4/15/2000 3 KB 21979 Re: Why the flawed English, TD? Gabe Yedid Sat 4/15/2000 3 KB 21997 Re: flawed English, TD? Michael A Jean Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22007 Mom 'n Pop's (read: Edgar's) Flawed English Steven Feldman Sun 4/16/2000 3 KB 21940 Re: Re: Soundmill Navigator length DEREK LAING Fri 4/14/2000 3 KB From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 2:08 pm Subject: Isskinkan >Finally! Another Isham fan! He's kind of a whore when it comes to >soundtracks, in that he'll do just about anything they shove in front of >him, but he's still great. We listened to the soundtrack to 'The Beast' a >few years back while driving across the Mojave Desert. Fit the mood >perfectly. 'Tibet' is another of my faves. >Scott ..And here is another one. I am especially fond of The Hitcher. It almost seems as though the film and the score were made by the same person as they fit so amazingly well together. The beginning is sheer magic. Olle From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 2:30 pm Subject: KS - what to hear Dear Gustavo, I do not have all albums of KS (not yet), but pretty much. Here is what I think of his albums, in chronological order 1) Irrlicht Like TD, KS went through some experimental phase in the early 70s. KS himself describes Irrlicht as a 'short circuit of an organ' - he opened an organ and started changing connections just to get some funny sounds the organ was not supposed to do in the first place. Along with it an orchestra he got to play something for him (they didn't wanted to be mentioned on the album afterwards). He taped them with one of those cheap mono tape recorders and *had* to modify the sound afterwards.... Anyway: if you like TD's 'pink' years, you may like Irrlicht, though it sounds very different, but it is just as experimental. I, by the way, love it (I know you think I'm weird...) 2) Timewind gently floating, nice, good for meditation. Cool sequencer, but not of the throbbing TD Rubycon kind. Very gentle. 3) Moondawn first track similar to Timewind, but bass sequence and more 'rocking'. second track starts very meditating, but turns into a rock tune with drums. 4) Body Love Vol II (don't have Vol I) 'Nowhere Now Here' is a damn cool long piece with great sequencer build up and nice Mini Moog solos. Can make any TD 70s track look small. Lots of mellotron, too (the standard TD/KS 70s choir sound - awesome). And 'Stardancer' is one of THE 70s synth tunes. 5) Mirage You get lost in it. Very nice and gentle, but also powerful. Great bass. Its subtitled 'an electronic winter landscape' and should be enjoyed with maximum concentration 6) X Has it all from rocking tunes (great sequences and Harald Grosskopf on drums as on Moondawn - this guy is great!) to spooky silent stuff, and of course the absolute KS Classic 'Ludwig II von Bayern' which is a MUST HAVE 7) Dune first track: Metallic synth plus Cello, the ultimate sountrack to a dune movie yet to be made. I mean: think of that combination! There have been live performances with KS on one side of the stage with his massive analoge equipment - he'd sit in a lotos position on the floor (on a white furry carpet, actually) surrounded by countless keyboards and his big PPG modular, and on the other side of the stage - nothing but Wolfgang Tiepold on a chair with his cello. The music is wonderfully mysterious, and majestic too. second track: Arthur brown singing - its a bit like 30min long poetry reading to an almost non-changing sequence. But its nice to get lost in it. Dune and X are my KS faves. 8) Live not very good sound quality, but a good summary of KS mid and late 70s. Get the new 2CD with the complete track 'Sense' (again includes H.Grosskopf on drums) - one of the absolute best pieces of electronic music from the Berlin school. Can seriously compete with TD's Rubycon/Ricochet/Encore or whatever. Also Arthur brown singing on the 4th track (of 4). It may not be really nice, but its cool enough and - no tangentizing!!! 9) Dig It This is quite a particular album. Call it 'groovy'. A both simple and tricky drum groove in 'Death of an Analogue' and vocoder voices. 'Weird Caravan' has a fantastic drum and bass loop, borrowed from 'Ideal', a german pop band popular at that time (and produced by KS). Nothing cheesy here, a not only soundwise but also rhythmically very clever album. At that time I found KS way better than TD. 10) Transfer quite spacy, but it looses itself. 11) Audentity it is here where KS runs out of ideas a bit, I think. I've seen him live two times during that period which was much better. He rocks and gets wild on two Mini Moogs like others do with an electric guitar, but unfortunately it doesn't show that intensively on the albums, except on... 12) Dciekuje Poland ...which is live. btw: I shot some pics on one of above mentioned gigs: go to http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/ks/ks.html 13) InterFace similar to Dig It. But much louder and wilder 14) Dreams as the title says: Dreamy, run out of ideas 15) Miditerranean Pads, Beyond Recall, EnTrance I'm inclinded to say the same for these as for Dreams 16) Royal Concert Hall Vol I / Vol II / The Dome Event These three are very similar and to be regarded as a trilogy anyway - they are mostly live (means: a studio track added on each, no tangentizing or something like that). Schulze plays a lot with funny samples. Musicwise it is very similar to his previous work but the sound is completely different. I enjoy these a lot. May turn your living room into a cathedral. 17) Are You Sequenced 2 CDs of basically the same, trance like fiddling. Not the kind of minimalism as with Philip Glass, but still enjoyable. A friend of mine from Canada who likes Kraftwerk and the UK Drum'n'Bass scene liked this a lot! 18) Doesborg Online I find this one quite poor, especially the singing. Merely a paraphrase of some standards 'opera riff', if there is an expression like this, but not really inventive. I won't go into commenting the Silver (10CD) or Jubliee (25CD) edition. Too much. and finally to comment this: >Greetings! > > When you hear one KS cd you have basically heard them all! > >Rick This is completely rubbish. Whoever writes this shows his lack of empathy for music. Sorry, don't want to start a flame war, but this statement up there is so blatantly wrong. Could be taken out of Paul Stump's 'Digital Gothic'. Armin Armin Theissen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath Armagh BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 028 3752 29 28 N. Ireland Fax: (+44) 028 3752 71 74 o/ \o_ \ / __ __o |o \__/o | o____ |__ __/ \__/o | / | / o\ / | > / \ /o\ o| << | \o__/ Ouch!!! No animals were harmed in the production and tranmission of this e-mail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22034 KS - what to hear olle.rundgren@s... Mon 4/17/2000 3 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 2:35 pm Subject: Moroder makes 'music people can pray or screw to.'?!? :) Mailing-List: list moroder@egroups.com; contact moroder-owner@egroups.com Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:00:16 EDT From: 'Star Duster' Reply-To: moroder@egroups.com Subject: [moroder] Moroder Article/Interview From 'Empire' Magazine 'Oooooooh, Love to Love You, Pontiff!' After Donna, Michael, Cher and Irene Cara, It's Obvious Which Diva Giorgio Moroder Should Work With Next Before Madonna and William Orbit, there were Donna Summer and Giorgio Moroder. Not only did the godfather of disco and electropop help elevate Summer to diva status with '70s hits such as 'I Feel Love' and 'Love to Love You Baby,' but he also pioneered synthesizer-based music itself, going on to produce for '80s film soundtracks some of the greatest synth hits of all time, including Flashdance's 'What a Feeling,' Cat People's 'Putting Out Fire' and Top Gun's 'Take My Breath Away.' Moroder also composed scores for Scarface, American Gigolo and Midnight Express, which earned him an Oscar. Two decades later, Moroder can be found living in Los Angeles with his wife and 10 year old son and back in the studio--with a legion of today's hottest mixmasters in tow, including Danny Tenaglia, Paul Oakenfold and Todd Terry. Why so much talent under one soundproofed roof? A project titled DJ Empire Presents a Tribute to Giorgio Moroder (Logic Records). Because the album is one of those rare tribute projects in which the honoree actually takes part, expect remixes and remakes of gems such as 'From Here To Eternity' and 'The Neverending Story' as well as new tracks such as the Gloria Gaynor-fronted 'Last Night' when it hits stores in April. A reworked version of 'The Chase,' from Midnight Express, is already firing up dance floors on several continents. -- Lawrence Ferber (Interviewer): Tell us about the new project, Giorgio. Giorgio Moroder: BMG has 70 or 80 remixes already. Is this good timing for a tribute? GM: Absolutely. The old analog synthesizer sounds I used more than 20 years ago are showing up in so many songs now, especially in Europe. As are you. What have you been up to in the '90s? GM: I lost a lot of time working on a musical movie with Michael Jackson. We started on the songs, and then that scandal with the kid happened, and suddenly the film industry was not interested in Michael doing a movie and spending 50, 60, 70 million dollars. The first time I ever heard 'Love to Love You Baby' was in a German gay porn movie. GM: It wasn't authorized! [Laughs.] I nearly sued a company that used three or four songs of mine in a porno--without asking permission, of course--but they cut them out. What was it like working with Donna Summer? GM: She's such an incredible singer: Two or three takes and the song was done--no doing eight takes and then picking the best line here, the best line there. We stopped working together after she left Casablanca [Records], but we did one song about four years ago, 'Carry On,' which won the best dance song Grammy last year. I see her whenever she comes to L.A. What other divas have you worked with? GM: I worked on the Metropolis soundtrack with Pat Benatar. And I did half of Janet Jackson's first album. She was a baby, probably 14 or 15. To be honest, I was too busy to give her the attention she needed. Control came out two or three years later, and I noticed an incredible improvement in the quality of her voice. Which divas would you like to work with now? GM: There aren't too many disco divas left. I worked with all three: Cher, Donna and Gloria Gaynor. Cher! GM: Cher was great. I remember being warned that if she says she'll be at the studio at 12, she may show up at six. I showed up at 12 anyway, thinking I'd have to wait, but she was punctual. I said, 'Wow, Cher, this is incredible, I was told you're always late.' And she said, 'It's only the first time on a project I'm punctual.' What the hell happened to Irene Cara? GM: I did 'What A Feeling' and an album with her, but then she sued the record company, and that took her off the market for a few years. I was asked to have Irene record a song for this tribute. We might do it. Any other projects? GM: We may do three or four songs for a project for the Vatican. And I'm doing a song for the Pope's birthday TV special--a number with children and famous singer I can't mention yet. So you make music people can pray or screw to. GM: Oh, this has nothing to do with religion. It's pop. They're not songs to be performed in church. It's a commercial venture. Would you work with the Pope if he wanted to become a dance diva? GM: [Laughs.] He's 80! I don't think he's going to dance, and a disco diva has to dance. I think he's happy if he can walk. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your bargains at AndysGarage.com! http://click.egroups.com/1/2579/7/_/477082/_/955652417/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Steven Feldman Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 2:40 pm Subject: Moroder Interview from 1978 (Tangerine Dream content!) Glory halleluya! There is TD content in this interview! The fun parts mostly concern discrediting Kraftwerk, though. ;) -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + Subject: Moroder in the NME [New Musical Express], 12/9/78 To view entire interview on the web, go to http://listen.to/eurodisco It is in two parts: http://www.hocker100.freeserve.co.uk/mor/part01.htm and http://www.hocker100.freeserve.co.uk/mor/part02.htm The web version has many clickable links throughout the text, and is therefore preferable to this ASCII 73-character-line version ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GIORGIO MORODER: The 70s interview . . . The cover of New Musical Express, December 9th 1978, the UK journal in which this interview originally appeared. The caption says 'Der Munich Mensch Machine -- the record this man is mixing will probably outsell the Bee Gees'. 'Look, I tell you something very important. Too many of these writers in the music papers, they are misunderstanding everything. The disco sound, you must see, is not art or anything so serious. Disco is music for dancing, and I know that the people will always want to dance. Also, disco is becoming more and still more popular over the last year. The big American record companies are giving much money to it. This is very good. This makes me very happy, especially when I know that disco is soon to be the soul and R&B sound of today. 'And these ideas the writers are having about us using machines and becoming like machines -- they must be making a joke. I know for sure that we are and maybe, as I think you say in English, we are having the last, longest laugh.' Seasonally set and matched in brown woollens and tweeds, Giorgio Moroder grins like a Halloween mask, folds hands across chest and self into high-backed wicker chair, then tilts head, trim moustache and shoulders askance, as if to better observe the effect of his words. In fact, Moroder seems as much bemused as amused. As well he might. The producer of Donna Summer, Roberta Kelly, The Munich Machine and, most recently, Sparks, Moroder has unwittingly - or so it seems -- precipitated a veritable flash-flood of madcap-modernisms and pseudo- sociological static. Impossibly grandiose and improbably specious claims have been made on his behalf. He has, we're told, almost single-handedly dehumanised disco, formulated a sono-track for much more than just another auto- style age even introduced an entirely novel 'post-Euro-industrial' sensibility into modern dancing methods. Moroder is, the radical chic surfers of the disco wave inform us, as crucial to the developing of the new 'disko' aesthetic as are, say, Kraftwerk, Bowie, Eno, Amanda Lear, The Baader Meinhof and Devo. Remember 'I Feel Love' and recall Ms Summer's vocal sex-flexing and Moroder's accompanying electronic pulsebeat-heat. The song was, of course, suggesting that modern sex was machine sex, wasn't it? Well, no. At least, not as far as Moroder is aware. In retrospect, he finds the song 'sexy and funny at the same time', and is justifiably proud of it. He describes it as being intentionally 'futuristic', but nothing more. And as for the Made In Germany By Germans strait-suit that has been repeatedly pressed onto Moroder's output. It doesn't fit: Moroder is Italian. [. . .] As for 'I Feel Love', its genesis was similarly accidental. Donna Summer's 'I Remember Yesterday' was intended as a collage of various musical stages and styles. Inveterate and by now incisive copyists, Moroder and Bellotte had successfully subsumed '30s Dixieland, Phil Spector, early Tamla Motown, Philadelphia, proto-disco and now-disco into the set, whereupon Moroder postulated a next-disco sound. 'I had already had experience with the original Moog synthesisers, so I contacted this guy who owned one of the large early models. It was all quite natural and normal for me. I simply instructed him about what programmings I needed. I didn't even think to notice that for the large audience this was perhaps a very new sound. We did the whole thing in a day.' Moroder goes on to divulge that he recorded an all-electronic album of his own some years ago, working on the project for several months before failing to find an outlet for it. In this connection, I inquire of him his opinion of Kraftwerk whom some assert have been a de facto influence on Moroder's electronic work -- whereas the reverse is probably more the mark, since Kraftwerk's first direct-disco release, 'The Man Machine', postdates Moroder's own electronic-disco 'From Here To Eternity' by nearly a year. Although the horizons here are hazed. Kraftwerk certainly required something of an extra edge to compound the disco-cult success of 'Showroom Dummies' -- a success which, incidentally, seems to have caught them unawares -- and they may well have found what they needed in Moroder's methods. 'The Man Machine' may carry the emphatic 'Produced In West Germany' rider but the album was actually mixed by, among others, Leonard Jackson, the latter on loan from ex-Motown writer and producer Norman Whitfield's Whitfield Records. Whatever, Kraftwerk's 'Spacelab' (from 'The Man Machine') runs Moroder's sound so close a second it's hard to resist implying plagiarism on the part of the Dusseldorf Dynamen. But does any of this matter? Yes, merely because Kraftwerk have contentiously obfuscated their work with notions of 'artistic', 'political', 'historical' and 'sociological' intent and intrigue -- and they have been rapturously repaid by writers who really should know better by now for doing so. By comparison, Moroder's declared first base -- making pure electronic pop -- seems also charmingly, defensively banal. And yet not only has it had a far greater impact (Kraftwerk's lack of major chart success since 'Autobahn' has been signal), but it has also been haplessly absorbed into the critical caucus of 'New Europeanism'. All of which begs questions. Are we really the robo-men-machines of Kraftwerk's 'The Robots' (and, if so, then why aren't we purchasing their product?) or do we just want to dance? 'Kraftwerk', Moroder muses, 'I like their sounds very much because they are very clean, but I don't particularly like the songs. They are sometimes a little too easy in their music...' Easy as in facile? 'Maybe. Honestly, I prefer Tangerine Dream, that kind of thing. I used to know these guys very well, and loved their 'Phaedra' album very much. There were some similar groups in Munich -- Popul Vuh, for example -- some years ago. 'Personally I feel that Tangerine Dream became a little boring. You can only do so much and no more with all these sequencers. But Kraftwerk? Well, I think they thought that they must start selling more. I guess they are making a simple mistake. They still reckon that with an easy melody and a synthesiser they can have a hit. [See? See? A Tangerine Dream reference! Wowee!] 'Whilst in fact the audience is becoming more and more sophisticated. We ourselves started with simple songs, but something like 'MacArthur Park' is different, very complicated to make. We are always trying very hard to improve the overall quality of our work, while Kraftwerk are still holding on to the older ways of recording. If I were to record another synthesiser album right now, I wouldn't do it at all like 'I Feel Love'. That sound is out of date and use.' But, there is a marked similarity between the disco-dub effects Moroder employed on his mostly instrumental soundtrack for Alan Parker's 'Midnight Express' and those Kraftwerk deployed on the 'Metal On Metal' segment of the title track of their own 'Trans-Europe Express'? 'I really don't know about that. I am not too familiar with this record of theirs, only really with 'The Man Machine'. I cannot say. I just met one of the guys from Kraftwerk in New York once, but it is very difficult to talk with them. They obviously speak German and I speak German, but they have very definite ideas...' And what of Kraftwerk's implied conceptualisations (the Constructivist cover artwork to 'The Man Machine', etc)? 'This again is not something I can enjoy that much. I am not so complicated or intelligent a composer, nor am I very interested in becoming so. I am much more happy doing what I know I can do than what I am not sure I could do.' So you're not greatly taken with Kraftwerk's European emphasis? 'No, I must admit not. This matter of a European feeling is really quite complicated. I know that Pete and myself have combined a certain European feeling with Donna's more American experience, but this is only from Europe in the sense that we are both Continental-style writers, well trained in Continental pop music. 'To me, the only European leaning of the disco sound is that so much of the music is actually created here. There were, of course, discotheques in the States before they were here, but we have somehow taken a lead in making the music. Perhaps we just had the correct professional attitudes. 'Many producers began to make disco records after our success and that of Michael Kunze (Silver Convention). This is a great thing for the industry in Europe, for us to be able to make a way for others, but it could really be anywhere, you know, I don't think there are any special methods we have here that others could not have if they wanted. And this more artistic aspect, I have no involvement with it. [Silver Convention! A Sylvester Levay reference! We're burnin', now!] 'Our studios here at Musicland are just typical. Nearly all the equipment there is standard, English or American. It isn't even a particularly sophisticated studio. 'And this thing', Moroder thumps his desk to his theme, 'some writers have about German producers and players. As I have said, I am not German, Pete is not German. Boney M themselves are not German, although I accept that their producer Frank Farian is so. 'Donna is American, so is Roberta Kelly, so are Silver Convention. In actuality, if we had been based elsewhere other than Munich, we might have achieved our success even earlier -- because there in London, for example, you have more facilities and are nearer the pulse of the industry.' [. . .] All of which I put to Moroder, asking more specifically about the relevance of the credit listing on the 'Whiter Shade Of Pale' Munich Machine release (cf. 'shop floor, electronics foreman, mechanics foreman, shop steward, apprentice, time and motion study'). 'This, you know, this is just another joke. We know people think this about what we do, so we play up to them. It is the same with the dancing robots on the covers of both Munich Machine records. 'All this talk of machines and industry makes me laugh. Even if you use synthesisers and sequencers and drum machines, you have to set them up, to choose exactly what you are going to make them do. It is nonsense to say that we make all our music automatically. 'I know for myself how difficult or how easy it was to get a certain sound. Sometimes it's easy, sure, but as often as not it is at least ten times more difficult to get a good synthesiser sound than on an acoustic instrument. And of course we organise things -- who does not? We have to be professional about this. There is nothing wrong with this, surely?' [Okay, we're done. You can all go back to pissing and moaning about SOUNDMILL NAVIGATOR, now.] From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] KS - what to hear Armin, Nice, quick reviews of some albums...but I might like to add a bit more. > Dear Gustavo, > > I do not have all albums of KS (not yet), but pretty much. Here is what > I think of his albums, in chronological order > > 1) Irrlicht > > Anyway: if you like TD's 'pink' years, you may like Irrlicht, though it > sounds very different, but it is just as experimental. I, by the way, > love it (I know you think I'm weird...) Stay away for now...come back to this one AFTER you get everything else! It isn't awful, but as a newbie, I would recommend not even trying this until you get an appreciation of where KS went from here. > 3) Moondawn > > first track similar to Timewind, but bass sequence and more 'rocking'. > second track starts very meditating, but turns into a rock tune with drums. Essential...Grosskopf's drums are amazing...think of a human rhythm sequencer! This guy goes for days and never misses a beat. > 6) X > > Has it all from rocking tunes (great sequences and Harald Grosskopf on drums > as on Moondawn - this guy is great!) to spooky silent stuff, and of course > the absolute KS Classic 'Ludwig II von Bayern' which is a MUST HAVE The other 'essential' KS...don't walk, RUN, out to get this one...you will find nothing short of a musical masterpiece! This one is perfection on 2 CDs. > 7) Dune > > first track: Metallic synth plus Cello, the ultimate sountrack to a dune > movie yet to be made. I mean: think of that combination! There have been > live performances with KS on one side of the stage with his massive analoge > equipment - he'd sit in a lotos position on the floor (on a white furry > carpet, actually) surrounded by countless keyboards and his big PPG modular, > and on the other side of the stage - nothing but Wolfgang Tiepold on a chair > with his cello. The music is wonderfully mysterious, and majestic too. > second track: Arthur brown singing - its a bit like 30min long poetry reading > to an almost non-changing sequence. But its nice to get lost in it. It is okay...but not 'starter' material. Brown's vocals can become tiresome at times and interfer with the music, IMO. > 11) Audentity > > it is here where KS runs out of ideas a bit, I think. I've seen him live > two times during that period which was much better. He rocks and gets wild > on two Mini Moogs like others do with an electric guitar, but unfortunately > it doesn't show that intensively on the albums, except on... I like Audentity, and here we find the beginnings of lots of themes that will pop up in the future...this is wonderful headphone music. > 12) Dciekuje Poland > > ...which is live. > btw: I shot some pics on one of above mentioned gigs: go to > http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/ks/ks.html Great versions of some great tunes! > 15) Miditerranean Pads, Beyond Recall, EnTrance > > I'm inclinded to say the same for these as for Dreams I actually like 'Entrance' quite a bit...4 long songs, each different yet very cohesive. One of my favorites... > 16) Royal Concert Hall Vol I / Vol II / The Dome Event > > These three are very similar and to be regarded as a trilogy anyway - they > are mostly live (means: a studio track added on each, no tangentizing or > something like that). Schulze plays a lot with funny samples. Musicwise > it is very similar to his previous work but the sound is completely different. > I enjoy these a lot. May turn your living room into a cathedral. I don't remember which one of these it is but there is one sequence called 'pedal away' or something similar which is pretty killer. Also, 'essential #3' is 'In Blue'...while you are running to your CD shop to purchase 'X', stop by the cash machine and get enough money to buy this one also. Craig Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22037 Re: KS - what to hear Craig Chambers Mon 4/17/2000 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 3:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I wanted to pick the brain of tape experts on this list... I've noticed: the speed of the Quichotte 1980 encore is the correct speed on SOD, and about 10% too fast on RDE. the speed of the whole Dominion 1982 show is about 10% slower than the show as it played. the speed of the Berlin 1981 show 2CD is about 10% faster than the show as it played. Anyone have any insight as to how tapes get sped up or slowed down? And further insight as to why the English language is so odd, you say slow, or slowed down, but you say sped but not spedded? -Morgan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'teiwaz _' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 4:00 pm Subject: RE: what KS album(s) should I buy?/Mark Isham RE: what KS album(s) should I buy? I'd recommend Michael Shrieve's album with KS--Transfer Station Blue. It's not like most of the early KS work which seems to be generate a tone and let a slow phaser do its work. I really like Mark Isham's FILM Music CD--the one with the Mrs. Soffel sountrack. I got to see him play several years back as part of David Sylvian's band--along with David Torn, Richard Barbieri and Steve Jansen. Great show. Of course so was the Fripp/Sylvian tour with Michael Brook et al. --teiwaz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Soundmill Navigator length Feldon Feldon wrote: > > Rubycon and all of those albums had to fit in 42 minutes as those were the > limitations of a vinyl album. Not exactly. For example the 1973 vinyl album 'Tubular Bells' by Mike Oldfield is 48:50 long with a 25 minutes track on side A, so you could put at least 50 minutes of music on a vinyl album. Ironically, the most recent Mike Oldfield albums (on CD) are shorter! > And yes, the content is more important. I think we all agree about this. Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21975 Re: Why the flawed English, TD? Andrew Rozsa Sat 4/15/2000 3 KB 21979 Re: Why the flawed English, TD? Gabe Yedid Sat 4/15/2000 3 KB 21997 Re: flawed English, TD? Michael A Jean Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22007 Mom 'n Pop's (read: Edgar's) Flawed English Steven Feldman Sun 4/16/2000 3 KB From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 6:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Soundmill Navigator length Hi Antonia, I totally agree with you on this point. The quality of the music is much more important than the length of the recording, further examples of this include 'Tangram' & 'Force Majeure' as well as Mike Oldfields 'Ommadawn' Derek ----- Original Message ----- From: Antonio Nunes To: Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Soundmill Navigator length > > > Feldon Feldon wrote: > > > > Rubycon and all of those albums had to fit in 42 minutes as those were the > > limitations of a vinyl album. > > Not exactly. For example the 1973 vinyl album 'Tubular Bells' by Mike > Oldfield is 48:50 long with a 25 minutes track on side A, so you could > put at least 50 minutes of music on a vinyl album. Ironically, the most > recent Mike Oldfield albums (on CD) are shorter! > > > > And yes, the content is more important. > > I think we all agree about this. > > Antonio Nunes > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ain't Nothin But An 'R' Thang! Intelligent fans of Rap/HipHop wanted. > New Music Site needs Raters for Rap songs now. Some compensation to > start. JABOOM.COM > http://click.egroups.com/1/3345/3/_/24785/_/955735431/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Shepard's Bush single question >Are the versions of 'Eleanor Rigby' and 'Theif Yang and the Tangram Seal' >the same on Shepard's Bush and Dream Encores? Yes, they are. Still, Sheperd's Bush is a nice collector's item and a good momento. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21945 Re: Shepard's Bush single question Owens, James E Fri 4/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 7:15 pm Subject: RE: tape speeds Tape players do not have consistent playing speed. This is due to varying voltages from drained batteries, failing DC control motors (which controll the speed of a tape player/recorder) and other electrical and mechanical variations in the players. Specific example: If a concert taper's batteries are running low, the tape will be moving slower as it records. When played back at normal the speed, the music will be faster than what was played. Alternately if the control motor is failing, the tape might move faster during recording, so it would sound slow when played back. I used to have an old double cassette deck that would mix line-input with what was playing on the playback side during dubbing. You could use it to voice-over instrumental tracks and so forth. However, the manufacturer forgot to make this feature unavailable during high-speed dubbing, so you could play a CD or another tape player into the 'line-in' while the record deck was recording at high speed. The result at playback was a 50% slower copy of the source. I made a halloween 'mood music' tape by recording excerpts from 'Heaven and Hell' by Vangelis, some stuff from 'Doctor Who: the Music', 'Tears in a Prophet's Dream' by Celtic Frost (never heard any of their vocal tracks; I've been told that it's pretty much demon worship lyrics. Anyway you can imagine how eerie that track was.) Overall it made for a great effect. The 'castanets' sounded more like chains rattling! James > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [SMTP:feldon23@h...] > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:21 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] > > I wanted to pick the brain of tape experts on this list... I've noticed: > > the speed of the Quichotte 1980 encore is the correct speed on SOD, and > about 10% too fast on RDE. > > the speed of the whole Dominion 1982 show is about 10% slower than the > show > as it played. > > the speed of the Berlin 1981 show 2CD is about 10% faster than the show as > > it played. > > Anyone have any insight as to how tapes get sped up or slowed down? And > further insight as to why the English language is so odd, you say slow, or > > slowed down, but you say sped but not spedded? > > -Morgan > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ain't Nothin But An 'R' Thang! Intelligent fans of Rap/HipHop wanted. > New Music Site needs Raters for Rap songs now. Some compensation to > start. JABOOM.COM > http://click.egroups.com/1/3345/3/_/24785/_/955725651/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 7:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator once again Alright guys, would you please cut out the whining? Each and every post on SN is about the pssst pssst sound, (which others claim not to be on the CD...strange: see the TD Guestbook). I don't remember anyone giving a review of the MUSIC on SN. Most of the loads of postings is about O'Hearn, Duran Duran, and pssst psst, ssssfft sssfffft shhhhhhhh shhhhhhh.... If it stays this way, I will have to adhere a finger to the delete button. Could we discuss more sensible things, please? Such as TD gigs, or other TD experiences? Or someone who appreciates the MUSIC on SN may give us his/her feelings and impressions (and I don't mean what equipment, synths are used...) Pal. >>>>>>>> .I've got Soundmill Navigator today and I don't know, if I ever can put up with this bloody ssssssssfffft,sssssssffft-sound.Without reading your comments about it, I'd have thought this sound is just a synth-generated rhythmical element as often used in the studio by Klaus Schulze. But with the SN -recording-time passing by I'd have started to think that this 'rhythmical element' kind of gotten out of control during the so called 'improvised 1976 concert performance' .As you said it's not even this very concert that we have here. It's a shame really, that TDI is claiming in the booklet to sell something which is not what we can hear and they even dare to release such a technically poor recording on which we are supposed to listen more to a damaged old tape's sounds than to any concert performance. I will stop here, otherwise I may go to far here in my disappointment. What was on Edgars mind while doing it? I still can't believe that the dudes on 'electronic music' could be particularly right with what they saying! Zbig >>>>>>>>>>> From: David Hughes Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 7:22 pm Subject: Been listening too... Hello, Back after a long time away... Been listening to... TD : 'Great Wall of China' Bush : 'The Science of Things' Loads of MTV... < no taste > Regards David Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 7:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Shepard's Bush single question Probably so, but if I had to pay $12-$15 dollars, I'd rather get music I don't have. Thanks for the info Pal. James > -----Original Message----- > Still, Sheperd's Bush is a nice collector's item and a good momento. > > From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 8:35 pm Subject: SN tape flaw timing We've talked a lot about this SN noise, but I don't remember anyone asking this question: Is the noise in time with the music? It would be quite mathematically improbable for the tape flaw to be in time with the music. joe > -----Original Message----- > From: izyrp@o... [mailto:izyrp@o...] ... > I've got Soundmill Navigator today and I don't know, if I ever can put > up with this bloody ssssssssfffft,sssssssffft-sound.Without ... > on which we are supposed to listen more to a damaged old tape's sounds ... From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 8:34 pm Subject: O'Hearn-A Member of TD? Greetings All! With the discussion of O'Hearn lately I pulled out some of his cds and listened to them again and began thinking,This guy would be a great third member of TD.Although I like his music very much I feel like something is missing.I also feel the same way about TD lately. So maybe they could get together and gel it all together.I think they would blend together quite well.As some of you have said TD needs a third member. So what do you all think? Rick-NP-Trust by O'Hearn From: Joel Mullen Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 8:35 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] SN tape flaw timing On Friday, April 14, 2000 3:35 PM, Joe Shoults [SMTP:joes@c...] wrote: > We've talked a lot about this SN noise, but I don't remember anyone asking > this question: > > Is the noise in time with the music? > > It would be quite mathematically improbable for the tape flaw to be in time > with the music. > > joe Joe- I don't have it yet, but it seems like it might be a limited mastering flaw. Some people hear it and some don't. And one person pointed out that the sound begins 3 minutes BEFORE the old material starts. So if you agree with *that* there is no way it could be due to the master tape degrading. It would have to be something added, by mistake or not. I hate to say it, but they really don't seem all that careful these days what with typos and don't forget re-releasing the flawed DD bonus track on Tang-Go. I would like to know just what the deal is myself. Joel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21949 Re: SN tape flaw timing Rhen, Kris Fri 4/14/2000 2 KB 21950 Re: SN tape flaw timing Gabe Yedid Fri 4/14/2000 2 KB 21951 Re: SN tape flaw timing Gabe Yedid Fri 4/14/2000 2 KB 21967 Re: SN tape flaw timing Rhen, Kris Sat 4/15/2000 2 KB From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 8:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] SN tape flaw timing > > We've talked a lot about this SN noise, but I don't > remember anyone asking > > this question: > > > > Is the noise in time with the music? > > > > It would be quite mathematically improbable for the tape > flaw to be in time > > with the music. Sorry I thought I answered that. No it isn't, and there are TWO frequencies of pops (neither in time). KRIS Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21950 Re: SN tape flaw timing Gabe Yedid Fri 4/14/2000 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 9:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] SN tape flaw timing On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Rhen, Kris wrote: > > > It would be quite mathematically improbable for the tape > > flaw to be in time > > > with the music. > > Sorry I thought I answered that. No it isn't, and there are TWO frequencies > of pops (neither in time). > KRIS The burning question: ***can it be fixed???*** (without seriously compromising the sound quality of the rest of the music) Gabe From: Gabe Yedid Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 9:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] SN tape flaw timing On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Joel Mullen wrote: > be something added, by mistake or not. I hate to say it, but they really don't > seem all that careful these days what with typos and don't forget re-releasing the > flawed DD bonus track on Tang-Go. I would like to know just what the deal is > myself. > > Joel I think this is an entirely legitimate point of discussion, and I'm really surprised that more people aren't more concerned about it. Gabe From: 'Johan Edberg' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 9:48 pm Subject: RE: Yanni (with TD content) Yanni..... Hmmm, yes I like his music and I used to listen to him a lot even though it more and more often sometimes felt a bit too much like softspread muzak. And then there came compilation album after compilation album... and I lost track somewhere in 1992-93. Any odd way I managed to get, wait, have to count..... 10 (!) albums between 1986 and 1994. All a bit dusty in the shelf between Rick Wright (of Pink Floyd) and Yes. What have he been up to lately? I've always considered the track 'Forbidden Dream' of the 1986 almost debut, Private Music (P. Baumann), album 'Keys To Imagination' as a tribute to Tangerine Dream! It could IMO easily be fitted in on Le Parc (1985) or even on Underwater Sunlight (1986). It's a bit short (about 4 min) but that was what we where learning to expect from TD with Le Parc. Try it! You'll love it! ...well maybe. 'Forbidden Dream - Yes, I could also sound this way but I'm not allowed since this is the way TD sounds' / Yanni, 1986. ______ Patrick O'Hearn. Well here is another of my used-to-be-favourites. I have his records from 1986 - 91 but nothing newer. Can anyone guide me to a good and comprehensive discography? Back to lurking ;-) // Johan, almost in the middle of the night, Stockholm, Sweden np: Yanni / Keys To Imagination (I'd say very typical 1986 sound) ___________________________ 'Music is the best' - F.Z. From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 9:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] O'Hearn-A Member of TD? rbrown4856@a... wrote: > > With the discussion of O'Hearn lately I pulled out some of his cds and > listened to them again and began thinking,This guy would be a great third > member of TD.Although I like his music very much I feel like something is > missing.I also feel the same way about TD lately. > So maybe they could get together and gel it all together.I think they would > blend together quite well.As some of you have said TD needs a third member. > So what do you all think? Totally agree. And I guess the title of their next album would be 'The Dream Mix-up' :-) Antonio Nunes np: O'Hearn - Between two Worlds From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 10:38 pm Subject: Re: Soundmill Navigator From: 'Feldon Feldon' > repeats throughout the whole 35+ minute disc (why does TDI feel the need to > waste our time with discs less than 60 minutes?). Hey Morgan, just listen to it twice then! :-) NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23469 Soundmill Navigator Matthew Sawyer Wed 8/2/2000 2 KB 23470 Re: Soundmill Navigator Sean Harvey Wed 8/2/2000 3 KB 23471 Re: Soundmill Navigator Steve Wed 8/2/2000 2 KB 23478 Re: Soundmill Navigator Michael A Jean Thu 8/3/2000 3 KB 23473 Re: Soundmill Navigator Matthew Sawyer Wed 8/2/2000 3 KB 23476 Re: Soundmill Navigator Steve Thu 8/3/2000 4 KB 23474 Re: Soundmill Navigator Feldon Feldon Thu 8/3/2000 4 KB 23475 Re: Soundmill Navigator Carl Kearney Thu 8/3/2000 2 KB 23477 Re: Soundmill Navigator Feldon Feldon Thu 8/3/2000 3 KB From: horrod6 Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 11:37 pm Subject: Guilty pleasures and what I've been listening to Steven Feldman kindly posted: Moroder in the NME [New Musical Express], 12/9/78 which included: > The producer of Donna Summer, Roberta Kelly, The Munich Machine > and, most recently, Sparks, Moroder has unwittingly - or so it seems -- > precipitated a veritable flash-flood of madcap-modernisms and pseudo- > sociological static. Hmm, Sparks. Now there's a 'guilty pleasure' if there ever was one! --- This week's playlist (interesting thread b.t.w. - seems to have woken up a lot of habitual lurkers): The best of TD - The blue years Very (Pet Shop Boys - another 'guilty pleasure') Snowflakes are dancing (Tomita) Soundtrack to Clockwork Orange (went to see the film on Tuesday, so I listened to the soundtrack to get into the mood, then again afterwards to remind me how well the music went with the action, especially 'the thieving magpie') Goldberg Variations (J S Bach) Soundtrack to Bladerunner (to go with a futuristic role-play gaming session) Mars Polaris (some german band) The invisible shadows 'Gift' album (thanks again to whoever put us onto that one!) Something by the Clash that my mate brought round No quarter (Jimmy Page and Robert Plant Unledded) I notice there aren't many reviews turning up this week. Do many of us have copies of this week's subjects? I don't. If anybody does, I would REALLY appreciate a review, even if it's only a couple of lines saying which others they're like or unlike. Then I'd know how hard to look for them! LnH Marion From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 11:49 pm Subject: The pink years Hello everyone I bought 'The Best of the Pink Years' today & I must confess that apart from the 'Green Desert' tracks this album stinks! Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Fri Apr 14, 2000 11:59 pm Subject: The Blue Years Hi again Can someone please help me? Are the tracks on 'The Blue Years' CD remixed or are they originals? Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 12:29 am Subject: Sound*tsst*mill*tsst*Navi*tsst*gator*tsst*Noise*tsst*.... Greetings all- Gee, I have a lot of catching up to do, since I've been away from the list since my last post. I'll just start here and work my way back...:) Sure, the fantapes from the FM broadcast don't have the noise. That doesn't mean that the master tape was perfect after being stored for *24 years*! The noise starts after the swelling into the 'new theme' of the disc (around the 3 min. mark) and runs through to the end. Maybe this is too obvious: The flaw was sampled and used as a sound element since it couldn't be removed. This would explain why it is present for the 3 mins. before the vintage material starts and why it would be carried through to the end. Yeah, it's annoying as all get out, but consider the alternative: a noise that starts out of nowhere and ends abruptly before the new end of the CD. Or perhaps he should've chucked the whole project into the bin (I wonder what some of you would say if *that* had been posted on the TDI site!) Although I'm sure some of you wish that to be the case now! And now, for the 'But...' I just read the explanation from TDI regarding the noise. It seems that I guessed correctly. Having said that, however, I checked the excerpts on the TDI site...and the noise isn't on them. So perhaps the flaw was not present during the sections sampled (at roughly 26 min. and 35 min. respectively) but was present on a good chunk of the rest of the tape, so the correction was still needed. And with some of the reviews I've seen some people seemingly *didn't* notice the noise and apparantly assumed it was simply another rhythm sound. I'll make the assumption here that they aren't in possesion of a tape of the original broadcast (especially since some of them also seem to think that the overdubs are vintage as well! ;)) Which would tend to support the above reasoning for its inclusion, it seems. But, it doesn't explain why the noise carries through to the *applause*. If it were indeed an added element to mask a flaw, why then have it on top of the last 4 mins., which are new, and furthermore on top of the crowd? Perhaps the flaw then was at the very end, after the 2nd excerpt posted on the TDI site, which is about 2 mins. before the end of the actual concert material? Which is more likely, as the beginnings and endings of tapes are the most easily damaged. I think a more definitive comment from TDI (or Edgar) would be in order...but with the invective hurled his way lately I doubt that we'll get it. I'll ask anyway...;) goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21959 Re: Sound*tsst*mill*tsst*Navi*tsst*gator*tsst*Noi Hermes Guzman Sat 4/15/2000 2 KB 22012 Re: Re: Sound*tsst*mill*tsst*Navi*tsst*gator*ts Joe Shoults Sun 4/16/2000 3 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 12:42 am Subject: Re: Sound*tsst*mill*tsst*Navi*tsst*gator*tsst*Noise*tsst*.... Regarding the 'timing' question: It may be improbable, but that doesn't mean impossible. I used to have (maybe I still do...) a Santana album (vinyl, of course) that had a flaw in it that for the longest time I thought was part of the music itself. It was in perfect time with the rest of the rhythm of the track it was on. I eventually heard another copy of the album without the flaw. I also have had other less extreme examples of 'perfect timing flaws' ie: they weren't the length of the track so they were easier to pick out. Some of these were on tape.... goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22012 Re: Re: Sound*tsst*mill*tsst*Navi*tsst*gator*ts Joe Shoults Sun 4/16/2000 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 1:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The pink years You were familiar with all the original material of Electronic Meditation, Zeit, and Atem right? Because this is EXTREMELY EXPERIMENTAL Tangerine Dream music that came out in 1969-1973. >From: 'DEREK LAING' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] The pink years >Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:49:03 +0100 > >Hello everyone >I bought 'The Best of the Pink Years' today & I must confess that apart >from the 'Green Desert' tracks this album stinks! > Derek > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 1:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Blue Years Remixed of course. They're pulled from Dream Roots as far as I know, as was Pink Years. >From: 'DEREK LAING' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] The Blue Years >Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:59:02 +0100 > >Hi again >Can someone please help me? >Are the tracks on 'The Blue Years' CD remixed or are they originals? > Derek > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21962 Re: The Blue Years DEREK LAING Sat 4/15/2000 3 KB 21969 Re: The Blue Years Jared White Sat 4/15/2000 3 KB 22025 Re: The Blue Years craig.cordrey@g... Mon 4/17/2000 3 KB 22044 Re: The Blue Years DEREK LAING Mon 4/17/2000 4 KB From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 1:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Blue Years Thanks for the info Feldon Derek ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon To: Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] The Blue Years > Remixed of course. They're pulled from Dream Roots as far as I know, as was > Pink Years. > > >From: 'DEREK LAING' > >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [tadream] The Blue Years > >Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:59:02 +0100 > > > >Hi again > >Can someone please help me? > >Are the tracks on 'The Blue Years' CD remixed or are they originals? > > Derek > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avoid the lines and visit avis.com for quick and easy online > reservations. Enjoy a compact car nationwide for only $29 a day! > Click here for more details. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3011/3/_/24785/_/955761178/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 3:53 am Subject: Digest missed/KS Hello dreamers, Can someone send me the Digest 464? I noticed that sometimes I don't get the digests from the lists I subscribe... how odd. About Schulze: thanks to all of you who helped me to know a bit more about KS's albums! About Beyond Recall: I heard some bits of it yesterday - I loved it! But unfortunately couldn't get. I heard most of the Brave Old Sequence, it's a great track. The probable first KS albums I'm going to get are: B.Recall, X, Mirage, Moondawn, Timewind, D'whatever Poland, , ..... Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 7:32 am Subject: Klaus Schulze HI again, Iam not a great fan of Klaus Schulze in fact I think Dune is dreadful but I Would like to mention his IC Label of the early 80's which introduced us to people like Robert Schroder,Baffo Banfi and p'cock. Talking of Robert Schroder I have been desperate to get hold of Floating Music on cd I know its been deleted anybody got any unwanted copies? I am writing this early am just recieved Tango in the post off to listen to it,still waiting for SN SO Cant Comment on it yet. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 26426 Re: Klaus Schulze Feldon Feldon Thu 3/15/2001 3 KB 29072 Klaus Schulze BRUCE@F... Fri 9/14/2001 2 KB 29077 Re: Klaus Schulze rubyconist@y... Fri 9/14/2001 2 KB 29076 Re: Klaus Schulze simon heath Fri 9/14/2001 3 KB 29079 Re: Klaus Schulze Michal Moroz Fri 9/14/2001 3 KB 29082 Re: Klaus Schulze moxica@m... Fri 9/14/2001 2 KB 29085 Re: Klaus Schulze bert.hulshoff@d... Fri 9/14/2001 3 KB 29086 Re: Klaus Schulze Nicad@n... Fri 9/14/2001 3 KB 29087 Re: Klaus Schulze Bill Fox Fri 9/14/2001 3 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 9:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 465 << Rubycon and all of those albums had to fit in 42 minutes as those were the > limitations of a vinyl album. Not exactly. For example the 1973 vinyl album 'Tubular Bells' by Mike Oldfield is 48:50 long with a 25 minutes track on side A, so you could put at least 50 minutes of music on a vinyl album. >> Actually, you can have a full hour of music on a single LP. There are lots of examples of this, including Black Sabbath's Live At Last, Deep Purple's In Concert, UFO's Flying, and the Anderson Bruford Wakeman And Howe album, each of which clocks in at nearly an hour. One of the sides of Brian Eno's Discreet Music album clocked in at just over a half hour, and it was also extremely common for classical labels to push the envelope in terms of squeezing material onto vinyl (many of the classic Stockhausen albums on Deutsche Gramophone, for instance, were about 30 minutes a side). Quite a few of the older Genesis albums were over 50 minutes in length, as well. But there's just one catch: once you start to move past aprox. 20 minutes a side, the grooves have to be cut shallower, meaning that you lose fidelity. I think it's mostly bottom end that you start losing. This is why a lot of heavy metal and hard rock albums were under 40 minutes in the old days. I remember reading an article about Steve Vai, when he was playing with David Lee Roth, and he was asked about why Eat Em Smile (the first Roth solo album) was only 32 minutes long. His explanation was that they 'wanted to make the loudest album ever made', and in order to do that, the grooves had to be cut deeper (or wider, maybe) to avoid losing bass. So, the trade off was that the album had to be shorter. So, you CAN have a longer album on vinyl, but there's going to be a trade off in terms of quality. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the tighter packed grooves are also prone to being scratched easier, or at least less stable than on shorter albums. I remember watching the Jay Leno show once, I forget who he was interviewing, but they were talking about an EP that either Elvis or The Beatles put out, that was a 7' record (like a regular 45 rpm), but they put two songs on each side, making each side something like 6 minutes long. Jay made some comment to the effect that all you had to do was cough at the turntable, and it caused the needle to fly across the vinyl. Yeah, he was exxagerating, but there may have been some truth to what he was talking about. NP: Derek And The Dominoes 'Got To Get Better In A Little While' (10/23/70 Fillmore East) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From: CptKlotz42@a... Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 11:08 am Subject: How did I get on this list? Hi all... I used to be on the old tadream@c... mailing list but never subscribed to this one... But today I have received some messages from this mailing list... Strange isn't it? Can other people subscribe for me on this one? Is this the successor of cws.up.edu? Any ideas? However, joining a TD mailing list is not a bad idea... Maybe I'll stay, but it's strange... cu l8er... Stephan AKA CptKlotz From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 2:12 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] SN tape flaw timing > > Sorry I thought I answered that. No it isn't, and there > are TWO frequencies > > of pops (neither in time). > > KRIS > > The burning question: ***can it be fixed???*** > (without seriously compromising the sound quality of the rest of the > music) Well, I tried extensively yesterday with little success (popping in another 128Megs at work so I could let SoundForge hit it in many ways). I may play more but dunno if its worth it. Sorry. KRIS From: 'Christopher Lomas' Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 3:42 pm Subject: O.T. JMJ on BBC1 Hope you'll excuse this dip into the realms of the off topic, but thought all you UK residents should know that an hor of JMJ's Millennial extravaganza is being shown on BBC1 at 11.15 tomorrow night(sunday 16th). Enjoy. Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Jared White' Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 3:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Blue Years Actually, the 'Best of the Blue Years' compilation on the Castle Music label is *not* remixed, as far as I can tell. Can you give me some examples of a 'remix'? Jared ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] The Blue Years > Remixed of course. They're pulled from Dream Roots as far as I know, as was > Pink Years. > > >From: 'DEREK LAING' > >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [tadream] The Blue Years > >Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:59:02 +0100 > > > >Hi again > >Can someone please help me? > >Are the tracks on 'The Blue Years' CD remixed or are they originals? > > Derek From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 4:03 pm Subject: Mars Polaris Mispressing Hi all, today I was in a Record Store here in Germany (Magdeburg) 'Media Markt' and i lookto the items from Tangerine Dream and I found the CD: Mars polaris. Then I look into the CD Case under the CD and I found the number of the mispressing CDs. i was very happy, what a great Day. Bye Heiko Germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 6:44 pm Subject: Discussion Week 31 - Sunday 16th April 2000 This week is the third successive double soundtrack week, this time being SHY PEOPLE and DEAD SOLID PERFECT. Please make your subject read 'D:Soundtrack [Shy People]' or 'D:Soundtrack [Dead Solid Perfect]' as appropriate. Cheers. Lawry NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Brian M. Frick' Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 7:08 pm Subject: Dream Roots Collection I finally got my copy of the Dream Roots Collection. Does anyone besides me think this is one of the BEST releases TD has put out? Forget that the tracks have been tangentized; they are WONDERFUL. I am truly impressed by this release. What does everyone else think? -Brian 'The One Who Never Speaks On Here' Frick Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21973 Re: Dream Roots Collection Rainer Rutka Sat 4/15/2000 3 KB 21974 Re: Dream Roots Collection Andrew Rozsa Sat 4/15/2000 2 KB 21980 Re: Dream Roots Collection Gustavo Jobim Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22018 Re: Dream Roots Collection Andrew Rozsa Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22029 Re: Dream Roots Collection =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Vill Mon 4/17/2000 3 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 9:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection On Sat, 15 Apr 2000, Brian M. Frick wrote: > I finally got my copy of the Dream Roots Collection. Does anyone besides me > think this is one of the BEST releases TD has put out? Forget that the > tracks have been tangentized; they are WONDERFUL. I am truly impressed by > this release. > What does everyone else think? Well, I have to agree. I'm a big fan of the 'new' CD included in this box. These 'unreleased' tracks are great! The 'tangenitzed' music on disk 1 (the early stuff) is made very well, too. Disk 1 and 5 are worth the price of the box (+ the booklet). Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td (updated links page) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Andrew Rozsa Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 8:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection At 14:08 4/15/00 -0500, BF wrote: >I finally got my copy of the Dream Roots Collection. Does anyone besides me >think this is one of the BEST releases TD has put out? [....] Yup...very good...about as good as Brian Frick's 'Visitation.' Andrew From: Andrew Rozsa Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 8:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Why the flawed English, TD? I understand that members of TD have not been and are not native English speakers. I don't mind at all that the TDI Web site is replete with incorrect expressions. In fact, I find it quaint. Sounds natural. But what does bother me is that there are so many errors on the commercial products. For instance, on the 'Soundmill Navigator' booklet the word 'fraud' is used, instead of 'fraught,' and 'enervating' instead of 'unnerving.' I am going to let 'myriads of cables,' enormous pioneership,' 'it happened very often that,' and 'pouring with sweat' alone, since they are clearly translated directly from German by someone who does not know idiomatic English. However, I do wish that TD used a competent professional to write the liner notes. Since TD is spending so much money on the production of an album, is it too much to ask that a finished product be done well? I would prefer just German liner notes, to incorrect English ones. If *I* could learn proper English, so can anyone else. Just my opinion, of course...I could be wrong. Andrew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21979 Re: Why the flawed English, TD? Gabe Yedid Sat 4/15/2000 3 KB 21997 Re: flawed English, TD? Michael A Jean Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22007 Mom 'n Pop's (read: Edgar's) Flawed English Steven Feldman Sun 4/16/2000 3 KB From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 8:58 pm Subject: [tadream] OT - calm down Andrew, Germlish rules !! ;-) Von: 'Andrew Rozsa' >I understand that members of TD have not been and are not native English >speakers. I don't mind at all that the TDI Web site is replete with >incorrect expressions. In fact, I find it quaint. Sounds natural. I really envy you for being such a natural language talent, or is that more discipline than talent in your case ? Anyway, I agree with you partly but on the other hand English as language will become a lot more simple as it is. Why ? Simple as by far more non native speakers are using this language on the internet than natives do. They are the minority. Hence calm down, Andrew, it will get worse. [snip] 'enervating' instead of 'unnerving.' The word books sold over here say you can use 'enervating' instead of 'unnerving.' At least mine. :-) Plus 'unnerving' sounds really stupid to a native German as opposed to 'enervating' with its old latin root (enervierend over here) >If *I* could learn proper English, so can anyone else. Nope. I know a few native speakers with an - let's say - interesting English. (Mind you, a lot of my countrymen have no clue about their native language) If they can't get a hang on it, why should Dutch, Germans or French do to name but a few ? Also, think about the non native list members - don't you want to encourage them using English ? With picky comments like yours they might be put off ever so slightly. Pretty much off topic, but lately I really get pissed off by such comments. I for one buy an album for its music and not the text in its booklet. Btw, thanks for the Soundmill Navigator discussion to everyone, I enjoyed them. Krauthead Yense Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21977 Re: OT - calm down Andrew, Germlish rules !! ;-) Andrew Rozsa Sat 4/15/2000 3 KB 21978 Re: OT - calm down Andrew, Germlish rules !! ;-) Jens Peschke Sat 4/15/2000 2 KB 21987 Re: OT - calm down Andrew, Germlish rules !! ;-) Andrew Rozsa Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 21981 Re: OT - calm down Andrew, Germlish rules !! ;-) Feldon Feldon Sun 4/16/2000 4 KB From: Andrew Rozsa Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 10:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - calm down Andrew, Germlish rules !! ;-) At 22:58 4/15/00 +0200, Yense wrote: [......] >than talent in your case ? Anyway, I agree with you partly but on the other >hand English as language will become a lot more simple as it is. >Why ? Simple as by far more non native speakers are using this language on >the internet >than natives do. They are the minority. Hence calm down, Andrew, >it will get worse. [......] no, no, no... I dinnit mean to demean anybody... I relish the ability to 'talk' to people from all over the World, regardless of their language abilities...and I will never call a single correspondent on this or any other list for spelling errors or improper language-use. Never! It would be inappropriately presumptuous and pompous. You know me better than that, don't you. :-) I was referring EXCLUSIVELY and SPECIFICALLY to 'soundmill navigator,' a commercial and, supposedly, PROFESSIONAL product that I hold to much higher standards than mere colloquial chit-chat. Color me anal. Tschüss, Andrew From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 10:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - calm down Andrew, Germlish rules !! ;-) Andrew wrote: >I was referring EXCLUSIVELY and SPECIFICALLY to 'soundmill navigator,' Fair enough. I was referring to *picky* - ness in general... >a commercial and, supposedly, PROFESSIONAL product Having in mind the postings concerning its sound quality lately here. The booklet might be more professional. 8-) What do you think, Andrew ? Do you like its sound ? Gruss Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21987 Re: OT - calm down Andrew, Germlish rules !! ;-) Andrew Rozsa Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 10:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Why the flawed English, TD? On Sat, 15 Apr 2000, Andrew Rozsa wrote: > I understand that members of TD have not been and are not native English > speakers. I don't mind at all that the TDI Web site is replete with > incorrect expressions. In fact, I find it quaint. Sounds natural. > > But what does bother me is that there are so many errors on the commercial > products. For instance, on the 'Soundmill Navigator' booklet the word > 'fraud' is used, instead of 'fraught,' and 'enervating' instead of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Depending on how you feel about events surrounding this album and how it was 'treated', that could be taken as a Freudian slip of sorts. ;) And yes, I agree that they should hire a competent native English speaker to write some proper, correct notes for them. I'd gladly proofread all of their stuff for free. Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21997 Re: flawed English, TD? Michael A Jean Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22007 Mom 'n Pop's (read: Edgar's) Flawed English Steven Feldman Sun 4/16/2000 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Apr 15, 2000 10:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection >I finally got my copy of the Dream Roots Collection. I am truly impressed by >this release. > >What does everyone else think? > >-Brian 'The One Who Never Speaks On Here' Frick Hmm, Dream Roots is for sale in a traditional and big store here in Rio, but unfortunately it's way out of my financial possibilities (talk about around 90 US dollars!) Jobim, playing Vangelis's Albedo 0.39 CDR (what a sin) - Nucleogenesis part one, an EM masterpiece. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22018 Re: Dream Roots Collection Andrew Rozsa Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 12:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - calm down Andrew, Germlish rules !! ;-) >From: 'Jens Peschke' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] OT - calm down Andrew, Germlish rules !! ;-) >Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:58:22 +0200 > >Von: 'Andrew Rozsa' > > > >I understand that members of TD have not been and are not native English > >speakers. I don't mind at all that the TDI Web site is replete with > >incorrect expressions. In fact, I find it quaint. Sounds natural. > >I really envy you for being such a natural language talent, or is that more >discipline >than talent in your case ? I never thought I would see someone being made fun of for having proper English until I came to this list. It's one thing to be understood on a chat room or website, but liner notes. I mean, a CD is like a baby. You want it to be as good as possible. I mean, how often are bad CDs referred to as stillborn by reviewers anyway? Mistakes on liner notes could be a bigger deal to me because, believe it or not, I work with translated Japanese user manuals. Even though it's provided in 'English', it takes hours to figure out what they mean and figure out what we would say natively in English. I'm sure there are thousands of people on the planet who are fluent in German and English who would gladly donate their time to do the translation work for Edgar. >Anyway, I agree with you partly but on the other >hand English as language will become a lot more simple as it is. >Why ? Simple as by far more non native speakers are using this language on >the internet >than natives do. They are the minority. Hence calm down, Andrew, >it will get worse. You don't have to look outside the country to see how bad English is getting. Look at the average fast food resturant sign, as written by a high school drop-out. >Also, think about the non native list members - don't you want to encourage >them >using English ? With picky comments like yours they might be put off ever >so >slightly. TD was so gung ho about being their own label because Edgar says he wants to do it right. *sigh* >Pretty much off topic, but lately I really get pissed off by such comments. >I for one buy an album for its music and not the text in its booklet. I don't feel it's off-topic, by all means Andrew, keep posting. -Morgan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 12:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection - positive note >From: Gustavo Jobim >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection >Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:43:58 -0300 > > > >I finally got my copy of the Dream Roots Collection. I am truly impressed >by > >this release. > > > >What does everyone else think? > > > >-Brian 'The One Who Never Speaks On Here' Frick Here are my guaranteed POSITIVE comments on Dream Roots Collection: * First, it's reasonable at $45 considering it comes with a big booklet of pictures. * The first disc of material is the experimental TD of 1969-1973. The 'Tangentization' here adds melody where there was none before, so I don't feel like the rule of 'less is more' is being violated here as it typically was on Tangents. More like 'we're going from zero melody to some melody'. So I appreciate the additions and if anything, it grounds the surreal with some centerline and, to be honest (I'm not as hardcore a space music fan as others may be), makes this material listenable. * I only bought the 1992 Relativity version of Tyger with the lesser (my opinion) London and Tyger versions, so I was glad to hear the original 1987 versions on Dream Roots of these two tracks. Believe it or not, Dream Roots was also my first exposure to the LeParc material. Central Park is just grand. * The bonus disc on Dream Roots is definately more interesting than the one on Tangents (excluding the edited Silver Scale on T.). While I prefer Tangerine Dream as a trio, Edgar and Chris did some interesting stuff here. It's missing Johannes' gritty edge, but overall worth a spin. -Morgan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: Vic Rek Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 1:12 am Subject: Finally back - online - DEMO Okefenooke Complete I have been in a dream for the last week - is onelist now 'egroups'? Anyway, we made it back from the Okefenokee.. Marcel flew to NYC today - I wish him a good time. We have some great live EM music (and video too) and the official release is under-way, but it may take 2 months. We are going to make this very professional and I will organize Okenfenokee Dreams 2001 for next April. This time we will ask for advance payment because I had to chew on the loss this time... I have a few Tang-go CDs for sale if you can help us out. At the Swamp we saw: many alligators, deer, various beautiful birds, turtles, racoons, opposums, foxes, a black bear, frogs, and other animals I shall identify later. We plan to post a webpage soon so we can share the experience with ya'll. I'd like to thank Dave Brewer for making it to the event and playing some wonderful music. I'll keep you posted about the CD-R set, but the music will be VERY TD 1970's oriented. All of the music is played live and inspired by the Swamp. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21988 Re: Finally back - online - DEMO Okefenooke Comp Andrew Rozsa Sun 4/16/2000 3 KB 21998 Re: Finally back - EGROUPS Michael A Jean Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 2:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 464 <<><got this... I'm floored!)>> > >Did you get the remastered version, with the >bonus tracks? Indeed I did. Expensive, but worth it. Actually, I don't believe any other versions of the album were available on the sites I checked.>> Well, I don't have a credit card, so online buying is out for me. The only time I ever saw the remasters of the first five Hawkwind albums onsale was at a Hawkwind show in 97, right after they came out. At the time, I only had enough to get a few of the items this gentlemen was selling, so I opted for the albums I didn't have on CD already: Mountain Grill, Space Ritual, Choose Your Masques and Sonic Attack (I know those latter two weren't part of the same reissue series, but they had also just come out, and this guy was selling them, so I decided to add them to the collection). Finally, last year, I just happened to do a search for Hawkwind on Ebay one day, and found someone who was selling all five of those remasters. So, I entered in bids for the first album, In Search Of Space and Doremi Fasol Latido. I've forgotten what I paid for each of them, but I think it was substantially less than $27 that I paid for Mountain Grill (Space Ritual was more $37, being a double CD). NP: Transatlantic 'Mystery Train' (SMPT:E) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 4:43 am Subject: Photos (Yes, it's true, Schulze was a TD member) Hey, if you've never seen Klaus Schulze as a TD member in a photo, there are 4 nice pics here, from 1970: http://www.klaus-schulze.com/photos/1970t.htm I saved the fourth one, which shows the TD lineup KS, Froese and Conrad Schnitzler in closeup. It's the best of the bunch. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 6:04 am Subject: 3 AM: np 3 AM You probably already did this, but right now, I'm playing for the first time 3 AM at 3 AM! I started playing Strato at 2:45, and just had to advance 10 seconds to synchronize the time with the beginning of 3 AM. Very nice, playing 3 AM at 3 AM. Jobim,now playing 3 am at the border of the marsh from Okefenokee. it's 3:04:10, and the track clocks 4:09. Just waiting for the grand finale, Invisible Limits. Then I'll get to sleep. Good night! Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: Andrew Rozsa Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 6:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT - calm down Andrew, Germlish rules !! ;-) At 00:07 4/16/00 +0200, JP wrote: [.......] >What do you think, Andrew ? Do you like its sound ? Actually, I just pretended that it was supposed to be that way. ;-) I much prefer the 70s TD sound, so I'll take it anyway I can. Gruss, Andrew From: Andrew Rozsa Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 7:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Finally back - online - DEMO Okefenooke Complete At 21:12 4/15/00 -0400, Vic wrote: [....] >animals I shall identify later. We plan to post a webpage soon so we >can share the experience with ya'll. Please do. Will let us experience a bit of your 'dream,' albeit vicariously. >I'd like to thank Dave Brewer for making it to the event and playing >some wonderful music. I'll keep you posted about the CD-R set, but the >music will be VERY TD 1970's oriented. All of the music is played live >and inspired by the Swamp. Oh, how I envy you. Dave IS a fine, fine musician. Marcel, of course, we all know. Let us hope that more of us can make it next year. I am certainly planning to. Meanwhile, looking forward to the CD-R. Put me down for a couple. Andrew P.S. For the newer members of TD fandom, there is a tape compiled by Jeffrey Bergman, about 4 years ago, titled 'Network 388' that features some of the musicians from this list... Dave Brewer among them. Either Jeff () or Stephan Bischoff (who did the art work) should probably be able to sell one for the cost of the tape. I can make a copy, but it would have to be second-generation. From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 8:05 am Subject: What's everyone been listening to Latest music has been TD - Mars Polaris TD - Pergamon TD Liverpool 26/3/78 TD Berkeley 1982 Invisible Shadows - Gift Scritti Politti - Anhomie and Bonhomie Patti Smith - Peace and Noise Human League -Tell me when Kiss Alive 1 & 2 Mark Shreeve Japan - Tin Drum Reinhard Lakomy Michael Rother - Katzenmusik Rolf Trostel Fashion Does anybody out there remember Fashion or have heard of them? Those that like the 80s New Romantic / synth era might. Zeus Be Held did production and its just amazing. You know how some bands appear out of nowhere, do a small amount of great stuff, and then disappear off the face of the earth - that's Fashion. They left a great legacy. Try Fabrique or Twilight of Idols. They are masterpieces. The original singer Dave Harris did a record with Richard Wright of Pink Floyd under the name Zee called Identity. I was given that by someone I used to know in Germany. Great present. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 8:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: The Orb So Jeffrey - Did you go to see the Orb? What did you think? David ----- Original Message ----- From: David Foster To: Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: The Orb > From: 'David Foster' > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jeffrey Au Yeung <220Volt@i...> > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 5:12 PM > Subject: [tadream] Off-topic: The Orb > > > > From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> > > > > Hi all > > > > The Orb will play a concert here in Hong Kong on April's Fool (10pm to > 4am). Anybody has any experience with their gigs? Any comment/opinion? > > > > Jeffrey > > > Dear Jeffrey > > My experience of seeing The Orb, last time they played Liverpool was that > they had a load os support acts, they came on stage with little announcement > and played a mixture of old nd new like TD do with new gaps in between. > > The light show / stage set was more original than the average band. The > sound is loud. > > At that gig I was offered Ecstasy by a fan. Which caused my mates much > amusement, considering I am a lawyer/attorney! And no, I didn't accept, > before anyone asks. > > David > fozdg@d... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/936/3/_/24785/_/954134819/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21993 Re: Off-topic: The Orb Jeffrey Au Yeung Sun 4/16/2000 6 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 8:58 am Subject: D:Soundtrack [Shy People] Shy People - (recorded 1987 - released 1988) 1. Shy People (7:59) Lyrics by Edgar Froese, sung by Jacquie Virgil 2. Joe's Place (2:10) 3. The Harbour (4:04) Lyrics by Paul Haslinger, Christoph Franke, sung by Diamond Ross 4. Nightfall (4:06) 5. Dancing On A White Moon (3:06) Lyrics by Edgar Froese, sung by Jacquie Virgil 6. Civilized Illusions (3:51) 7. Swamp Voices (3:15) 8. Transparent Days (3:01) 9. Shy People (5:04) The opening to this album, it has been said many times, is a complete rip-off of Pink Floyd's Shine On You Crazy Diamond. And Blimey Charlie, the likeness is uncanny. The same sounds, chords, melodies etc. Still, as I'm a big Floyd fan.. no problem for me there! :-) When the lyrics start, it reminds me some of Le Parc Jacquie Virgil it seems does her best Tina Turner impression on Shy People, and despite this is more a pop song than EM, I do actually quite like it. The singing on Harbour I could do without. The music here reminds me of the Airwolf theme (interesting considering that TD were asked to produce music for this show - and the fact that they were associated with Sylvester Levay on 3 O'clock High). The lyrics are poor lyrics, poorly sung. Nightfall is a slow moody piece of the sort that I can't review without listening to about 10 times, as each time I try my mind drifts off onto some other train of thought. I tried listening to it 3 times now, there's no way I'm going to try another 7, so I've got nothing to say about it! What can I say about Dancing On A White Moon? Another electro-pop tune. I actually love parts of the music, especially the little melodious theme that pops up here and there. It's just so cheesy though! The lyrics are very hard to understand, and although no doubt essential for the films soundtrack, are just a distraction. Civilized Illusions is one of the better pieces on the album. No bloody lyrics over the top for a start. High tempo, plenty of layers, a couple of subtle sequences under the surface. No masterpiece by any shot of the imagination, but not bad. Swamp Voices pretty much evokes the feel and sound of a swamp as created on every movie that has ever been about a swamp. I have no interests in swamps thank you very much. Transparent Days is just a slow choral piece, but nice enough as background music... Then we're treated to a Shy People reprise, this time without the Pink Floyd section at the start. Also without the Tina Turner impression... Overall, not a bad soundtrack album considering some of the crap ones that are around. Nowhere near 'Near Dark', but a long way away from '3 O'clock High'. 2AS Lawry Simm NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: horrod6 Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 1:38 pm Subject: Pedant's corner English is my first language. That doesn't mean _I_ always use it correctly, and I certainly don't demand that my friends on this list do. I just think 'it's a good deal more understandable than it would be if I tried to write in German, (or Spanish or whatever)'. But when I'm paying for a comercial product that is supposedly labelled in English, I would be happier if it was correct English. Apart from anything else, it's a disservice to people who buy the disc and don't speak much English to give them bad examples. One thing that does need clearing up. Jens commented: [snip of a snip] >>'enervating' instead of 'unnerving.' > > The word books sold over here say you can use 'enervating' instead of 'unnerving.' > At least mine. :-) Plus 'unnerving' sounds really stupid to a native German as opposed to > 'enervating' with its old latin root (enervierend over here) Yes, technically, the two words do have the same set of meanings. But 'enervate' is more usually used to mean to weaken, to deprive of strength. And 'unnerving' is comonly used to mean scary, frightening, i.e. to unnerve is to deprive of courage. So, whilst it is technically correct to treat the two words as having the same meaning, to a native speaker they are actually quite distinct. On the other hand, I can see nothing at all wrong with 'pouring with sweat'. LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22014 Re: Pedant's corner Andrew Rozsa Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 2:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: The Orb ----- Original Message ----- From: David Foster To: tadream@o... Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: The Orb So Jeffrey - Did you go to see the Orb? What did you think? David Hi David! I did go - excuse me for late response. A friend and I were punctual at the club called STIX and it was standard dancing venue. Well first off there was no video shown at the concert, but live broadcast of an English soccer match...which was more for a pub in my opinion. There were 4 DJs playing in total - first Chinese, second also Chinese, and then presumably the Orb themselves - though I could not identify who was who and there was only one DJ/performer at one time. The first Chinese DJ started playing music at about 10:10pm. The music was heavy, free techno dance music with at times weird sound effects. It was indeed nice, free form dance music, so I was quite pleasantly surprised by this first performer. The second player took over after about one and a half hour. He played on some pretty shit samples and the music was like patches of mud. I spent the time more on talking with my friend. It was certainly after midnight (probably at 1:30 am or so) that the Orb finally took over. The Orb were 2 guys: one thin, and one more fatty, and the fatty guy played first. He did play some nice dance music in sort of 70s-ish style, while later the thin guy (with spectacles) played some instrumental music and some 'soul' songs. My friend and I did not like those songs at all. Before the concert came to an end by 4am, the fatty guy took over again and we, feeling exhausted, left the venue at 3:45am. By and large, the concert was a mix of listenable & danceable EM (better than some recent TD dance music, got to admit) and some crappy music and songs. To some who may feel interested - the Orb concert is recommendable but I certainly won't rank it as top EM. Jeffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: David Foster To: Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Off-topic: The Orb > From: 'David Foster' > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jeffrey Au Yeung <220Volt@i...> > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 5:12 PM > Subject: [tadream] Off-topic: The Orb > > > > From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> > > > > Hi all > > > > The Orb will play a concert here in Hong Kong on April's Fool (10pm to > 4am). Anybody has any experience with their gigs? Any comment/opinion? > > > > Jeffrey > > > Dear Jeffrey > > My experience of seeing The Orb, last time they played Liverpool was that > they had a load os support acts, they came on stage with little announcement > and played a mixture of old nd new like TD do with new gaps in between. > > The light show / stage set was more original than the average band. The > sound is loud. > > At that gig I was offered Ecstasy by a fan. Which caused my mates much > amusement, considering I am a lawyer/attorney! And no, I didn't accept, > before anyone asks. > > David > fozdg@d... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/936/3/_/24785/_/954134819/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: tom807@a... Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 2:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [Shy People] The instrumental tracks are great TD. If you haven't checked out this soundtrack, skip the vocal tracks, and go straight to the others. -- Tom http://www.mp3.com/tom807 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 21995 Re: D:Soundtrack [Shy People] Szatmari, Pal Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 2:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [Shy People] >The instrumental tracks are great TD. If you haven't checked out this >soundtrack, skip the vocal tracks, and go straight to the others. > >-- Tom Interesting... I like the vocal tracks on SP better than the instrumental ones. I haven't seen the movie but the vocals remind me of Color Purple, the Spielberg movie, I don't know why. perhaps the female singer's voice carries much distress. Pal. From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 2:52 pm Subject: Re: DEMO Okefenokee Complete and TLM CDR >>> Let us hope that more of us can make it next year. I am certainly planning to. Meanwhile, looking forward to the CD-R. Put me down for a couple. >>> Yeah, perhaps you can put the music AND the photos (and video?) on a CDR that we can enjoy, too. I would like to go next year, too. How about a Mojave Plan? (a gathering and music-playing in the Mojave Desert) - Drunken Mozart in the Desert (=Drunken fans in the desert hehehe... Andrew: we could arrange for some great Hungarian wine to go with the 'event'). Till then I am looking forward to the website. >Andrew Pal >>> P.S. For the newer members of TD fandom, there is a tape compiled by Jeffrey Bergman, about 4 years ago, titled 'Network 388' that features some of the musicians from this list... Dave Brewer among them. Either Jeff () or Stephan Bischoff (who did the art work) should probably be able to sell one for the cost of the tape. I can make a copy, but it would have to be second-generation. >>> That just reminds me: what happened to the Tadream List Musicians' CDR project? Anyone remember that? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22015 Re: Hungarian wines and TD tunes' titles Andrew Rozsa Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 3:01 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] flawed English, TD? I made the same offer (proofreading) a few years ago and never heard anything...Maybe they'll take one of us up on the offer this time. ;^) MJ > > Depending on how you feel about events surrounding this album and how it > was 'treated', that could be taken as a Freudian slip of sorts. ;) > > And yes, I agree that they should hire a competent native English speaker > to write some proper, correct notes for them. I'd gladly proofread all of > their stuff for free. > > Gabe > > > --- > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22007 Mom 'n Pop's (read: Edgar's) Flawed English Steven Feldman Sun 4/16/2000 3 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 3:01 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Finally back - EGROUPS Yep...they merged last week...It caught me offguard as well..However our old passwords are still valid. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Vic Rek [mailto:torque19@i...] > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 8:13 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Finally back - online - DEMO Okefenooke Complete > > > I have been in a dream for the last week - is onelist now 'egroups'? > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 3:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Pedant's corner >From: horrod6 > >On the other hand, I can see nothing at all wrong with 'pouring with >sweat'. Except that the English colloquism (sp?) is usually dripping with sweat or drenched with/in sweat. Not a big deal :) -Morgan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 1:14 pm Subject: Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Hello, due to work obligations I can't scan the record shops for a copy of this mispressing (half GWoC) myself, but I'd like to get one. Anybody got a spare copy ? Check my lists for swap material ! cheers, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-171-7338969 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22171 Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Klaus Beschorner Tue 4/25/2000 2 KB 22253 Re: Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Vic Rek Tue 5/2/2000 2 KB 22261 Re: Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Gustavo Jobim Wed 5/3/2000 2 KB 22254 Re: Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Jim Moore Tue 5/2/2000 2 KB 22271 Re: Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD TDI - Martin K. Wed 5/3/2000 3 KB 22274 Re: Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Gabe Yedid Wed 5/3/2000 3 KB 22266 Re: Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Szatmari, Pal Wed 5/3/2000 3 KB 22276 Re: Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Jens Peschke Wed 5/3/2000 2 KB 22289 Re: Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Vic Rek Wed 5/3/2000 4 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 4:23 pm Subject: 976 KB in Concert Hi Peter! Habe mir gerade mal das 'Million Bits in Concert' - Band komplett angehoert. Ein Wahnsinn! Nicht nur die Schmoelling Stuecke sind gut - nein: ALLES! Schade, dass so was tolles, nicht OFFIZIELL auf den Markt kommt. Auch schade ist, dass der WDR bei der Zugabe abgeschnitten hat. Allerdings ist es schon erstaunlich, dass sowas ueberhaupt uebertragen wurden. Ich glaube, da sieht es heutzutage recht schlecht aus. It's a pity. Die CD(r) wird toll. Dauert aber noch, bis sie fertig ist. Du bekommst als erstes eine Kopie! Nochmals danke! Mit den besten Gruessen vom Bodensee ! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 4:26 pm Subject: Sorry! UPS! My last post should go to Peter privately! Sorry for the mistake! Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 3:31 pm Subject: [tadream] 'tadream list Musicians' CDR Von: 'Szatmari, Pal' > That just reminds me: what happened to the Tadream List Musicians' CDR > project? Anyone remember that? I do. AFAIK it is history unless someone else takes care about it. I even offered a new track a few month ago as the initially sent (more than 1 year ago!) has been released officially in the meanwhile, but the person in question didn't even bothered replying to my offer. Maybe we can find someone like Vic or Rainer caring about it ? It might be interesting for those who haven't released anything yet - such a release can be a huge motivation. Just a thought. Best Regards Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22005 Re: 'tadream list Musicians' CDR Szatmari, Pal Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22006 'tadream list Musicians' CDR, Dream Roots, and mo Brian M. Frick Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22011 Re: 'tadream list Musicians' CDR Joe Shoults Sun 4/16/2000 3 KB 22019 Re: 'tadream list Musicians' CDR Jens Peschke Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22024 Re: 'tadream list Musicians' CDR Joe Shoults Mon 4/17/2000 2 KB 22041 Re: 'tadream list Musicians' CDR Owens, James E Mon 4/17/2000 2 KB From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 3:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorry! Never mind, Rainer. Interesting reading ! :-) From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'tadream list Musicians' CDR >I even offered a new track a few month ago as the initially sent >(more than 1 year ago!) has been released officially in the meanwhile, >but the person in question didn't even bothered replying to my offer. And who is that person can I ask? It's a shame, isn't it? >It might be interesting for those who haven't released anything yet - >such a release can be a huge motivation. Just a thought. Definitely. I myself would be encouraged to master a short track. Pal From: 'Brian M. Frick' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 4:07 pm Subject: 'tadream list Musicians' CDR, Dream Roots, and more. I don't know what happened to the list-contributed release, but I'd certainly be interested in throwing about a track or two for consideration :) Thanks, Andrew, for your comments re. my CD in your email regarding the Dream Roots Collection. By the way, I have to agree with Morgan re Dream Roots Collection: the work on the first CD is astounding. Edgar did an awesome job tangentizing those original, er, noisy works. While they are great in and of themselves, the added melody just rivets me into my seat. Lovely stuff. (So :P to the Edgar bashers *lol*) And the 4 'unreleased' tracks are superb as well. I love them. This was certainly worth the money. on 4/16/00 10:31 AM, Jens Peschke at joxbox@h... wrote: >> That just reminds me: what happened to the Tadream List Musicians' CDR >> project? Anyone remember that? From: Steven Feldman Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 4:12 pm Subject: Mom 'n Pop's (read: Edgar's) Flawed English The reason for the fractured English on so many TDI jewel cases is pretty obvious, given the staffing at TDI: TDI Agent: Edgar TDI Marketing Agent: Edgar TDI Overseas Liaison: Edgar TDI Jewel Case Designer: Edgar TDI Treasurer: Edgar TDI Paymaster: Edgar etc., ad naseum My assumption is that any and all gaffes and bonehead manoeuvers on the part of TDI are Edgar's fault -- as he is truly running a 'Mom 'n' Pop' organization (with 'Mom' being either Mrs. Froese or our boy Jerome, in this case). Does anyone here honestly think that any self-respecting record label with even a smidgeon of objectivity would have allowed a recording like SOUNDMILL NAVIGATOR to be released with such deafeningly obvious mastering errors? Hell, even Milli Vanilli and Britney Spears fans wouldn't put up with such shit! -- Steven Feldman -- unhumble webmaster of the fantasmaglorical Chang Cheh website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/ch-index.html From: Steven Feldman Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 4:22 pm Subject: Edgar Froese & George Lucas: the Same Person? Both these clowns seem to be in awe of themselves to the point of indulging any old badly-hatched idea that wafts through their somewhat addled noggins. Witness bad sound on SOUNDMILL NAVIGATOR and the film called EPISODE ONE: THE PHANTOM MENACE. Think of the titling of SOUNDMILL NAVIGATOR as a Freudian Slip of sorts: the listener must navigate through the recording to try to avoid the careening speaker-to-speaker glitches, an experience which will no doubt put them through the mill as they try to avoid the bad sounds. As for THE PHANTOM MENACE (aka Jar Jar Binks), Lucas, introspective genius that he is (ha!) has denied any and all knowledge of the presence of racially stereotyped characters in his film, and what's more, has not recanted for the existence of the single most odious character in film history -- instead, writing him into EPISODE TWO. Either Lucas really is hot for toy tie-ins and Happy Meal-type cross-marketing, or he is an arrogant, myopic shithead who cares more about his ego than about destroying the memories, hopes and dreams of any and all Star Wars fans above the age of 12 (I, however, have never been much of a fan of the STAR WARS stuff, having been brought up on THE OUTER LIMITS, Kirby's NEW GODS comics, and other superior stuff). But I'm ranting. What is my point? Folks like Edgar Froese and George Lucas, who own their own companies and have complete control on a par with Hitler in World War II (oh no, not *that* analogy again!) should hire someone to tell them when they're being morons so that they don't foist another abomination on the paying public -- someone that they can't just fire at the drop of a hat. That's what these clowns need. Hell, that's what the world at large needs. There used to be a time when I bought each and every album that Tangerine Dream and/or Edgar Froese put out, but now, what with all the poor judgement calls on the part of TDI (aka Edgar), that era (or should I say 'error'?) has ended. -- Steven Feldman -- unhumble webmaster for the Unofficial Karen Sheperd website; see http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/shepfilm.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22036 Re: Edgar Froese & George Lucas: the Same Person Sean Montgomery Mon 4/17/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 5:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Froese & George Lucas: the Same Person? Anyone mind too terribly if I distance myself from Steven Feldmans last commentary? I can vouch for the lousy sound production quality on Star Wars 1 Phantom Menace. Especially the pod racer scene, where there is very little ambient noise except the thum-thum-thum (sounds like it was adapted from a recording of a police officer banging on your door) of the cheesy-sounding pod racers themselves. If we're traveling in excess of 100 miles an hour, where are the wind noises? As for the characters, etc. of Star Wars Phantom Menace, I, too, was horrified to hear what can only be described as a stereotypical impression of a Civil War era black man of over 140 years ago. If anything, Jar Jar is very formulaic. I am seeing more and more movies with a single annoying character thrown in as a stock piece of comic relief. The village idiot, if you will. George, this isn't required to make a good movie! The least wise of the characters from the middle trilogy was C3PO (the walking talking robot) but he didn't make me want to get up and walk out of the theater. I think I'm straying away from TD here. I haven't heard Soundmill Navigator yet so I'm reserving judgement, but in the past week I've picked up a couple of 1974-1977 concerts and I am afraid to ask what Edgar will do to these if he puts them on his 'To Do' list. -Morgan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'joe shoults' Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 12:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] How did I get on this list? Hello Stephan- hmm. that is strange. I haven't sent any invitation mail to the old list membership addresses. Two major mailing list services, onelist.com and egroups.com, merged recently. We had 'tadream' lists on both, with the egroups list set up only as a uwp mirror. I have been trying to get the lists merged instead of onelist just dumping the egroups list info (archives and addresses). The only thing I can think of is that maybe egroups/onelist, the service through which we currently run the mailing list, was able to merge the old tadream@e... addresses with the onelist list, which has effectively been the successor to the uwp list. There was not much of an overlap in addresses, but maybe you are one of those. However, if this is the case it is more curious because onelist frowns upon unsolicited subscriptions, which would apparently be what they did to you. I just looked at the subscription date at egroups.com for you and it says '5/7/99'. So either you really were subscribed all this time with the mail turned off and didn't know it, or egroups just added you. Either way, it's good to hear from you. Welcome back! -joe shoults np: ekoostik hookah- dubbabuddha >From: CptKlotz42@a... ...used to be on the old tadream@c... mailing list but never subscribed >to this one... But today I have received some messages from this mailing >list... >Strange isn't it? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 4:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'tadream list Musicians' CDR How about this? We have some people here that can set up FTP sites. Why not just do it all online? All we need is someone willing to set up an FTP site. source folder can be download only, or people can collaborate on the music and the mastering and upload/download to public folders. either way, we're only talking less than maybe 5 gigs of storage for one normal-sized album. the FTP host can control uploads and have a mirro rso sources don't get lost/damaged and such. It would be great to hear what happened at Okefenokee as part of it! -----Original Message----- From: Jens Peschke [mailto:joxbox@h...] Von: 'Szatmari, Pal' > That just reminds me: what happened to the Tadream List Musicians' CDR > project? Anyone remember that? I do. AFAIK it is history unless someone else takes care about it. From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 5:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Sound*tsst*mill*tsst*Navi*tsst*gator*tsst*Noise*tsst*.... I know what you mean. I'm just trying to guess at what would actully cause the flaw. It's no important; i'm just curious. If it was a flaw in the capstan during recording, for example, it would have consistent timing throughout the recording, but if the tape was damaged after it was 'in the can', like coming near an electromagnetic source or something, the timing would change as the tape unwound from the reel. Dead horse. sorry. -----Original Message----- From: Hermes Guzman [mailto:goozer@a...] ... have (maybe I still do...) a Santana album (vinyl, of course) that had a flaw in it that for the longest time I thought was part of the music itself. It was in perfect time with the rest of the rhythm of ... From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 7:11 pm Subject: Recent Schulze/Ashra concert Hello all, From the Ashra page: >One-Time Reunion of Ash Ra Tempel >ASH RA TEMPEL played a one-time union concert in London's South Bank >on April 2, 2000 with its original lineup of Manuel Göttsching and >the band's other founding member Klaus Schulze. More information >about this event will follow soon. A live CD with music of this >concert including an informative booklet with many photos will be >released soon. Pre-orders are welcome at tvfilmvent@a... Ha! Looks like it doesn't matter that I didn't take my tape recorder along... Glynn From: Andrew Rozsa Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 8:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Pedant's corner At 14:38 4/16/00 +0100, Marion wrote: [......] >On the other hand, I can see nothing at all wrong with 'pouring with >sweat'. 'Round heah, it's 'pouring sweat.' FWIW. Hasta la canasta, Andrew From: Andrew Rozsa Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 8:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Hungarian wines and TD tunes' titles At 16:52 4/16/00 +0200, Pal wrote: [....] >Mojave Plan? (a gathering and music-playing in the Mojave Desert) - Drunken >Mozart in the Desert (=Drunken fans in the desert hehehe... Andrew: we could >arrange for some great Hungarian wine to go with the 'event'). Personally I vote for the classics (Egri Bikaver or Debroi Harslevelu), although I have been pleasantly surprised by a more recent cooperative (with the Austrians, I suppose) wine, Donauherbst Blaufrankisch. I know that some of the Spanish contingent (Francisco?!) would contribute some brilliant Madeira wines. I always wondered how TD come up with the titles for their tunes. According to Uncle Ed, TD are strictly opposed to drugs, drinking, and debauchery.:-) Andrew From: Andrew Rozsa Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 8:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Why the flawed English, TD? At 18:21 4/15/00 -0400, Gabe wrote: [....] >> products. For instance, on the 'Soundmill Navigator' booklet the word >> 'fraud' is used, instead of 'fraught,' [.....] > >Depending on how you feel about events surrounding this album and how it >was 'treated', that could be taken as a Freudian slip of sorts. ;) [......] Given that I am a shrink, I ought to have caught this one. You can work with me anytime you want to, Gabe. :-)) Andrew From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 9:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Hungarian wines and TD tunes' titles In a message dated 4/16/2000 8:25:28 PM !!!First Boot!!!, rozsa@p... writes: << According to Uncle Ed, TD are strictly opposed to drugs, drinking, and debauchery.:-) Andrew >> * That would explain why their music has become so boring.... Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22020 Re: Hungarian wines and TD tunes' titles Nick Adams Sun 4/16/2000 2 KB 22033 Re: Hungarian wines and TD tunes' titles Jorge Figueiredo Mon 4/17/2000 2 KB 22039 Re: Hungarian wines and TD tunes' titles Antonio Nunes Mon 4/17/2000 2 KB 22053 Re: Hungarian wines and TD tunes' titles Andrew Rozsa Tue 4/18/2000 2 KB From: Andrew Rozsa Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 9:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection At 19:43 4/15/00 -0300, Gustavo Jobim wrote: >Hmm, Dream Roots is for sale in a traditional and big store here in Rio, but unfortunately it's way out of my financial possibilities (talk about around 90 US dollars!) Gustavo, if you have a credit card you can get 'Dream Roots' for a little over US $46.00 from a variety of Internet sources, including CDNow or Video Arena. They both have excellent reputations and top-notch fill-rates. You probably can get it even cheaper. CD Point, for instance has it for $41.88. Some people on this list have been pleased with their service. Regards, Andrew From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 10:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'tadream list Musicians' CDR Von: 'Joe Shoults' Thanks for the idea... > How about this? We have some people here that can set up FTP sites. Why > not just do it all online? You mean uploading and downloading 100MB wise ??? I doubt that would work. Don't get me wrong, I responded to Pal's question concerning the CDR mainly to encourage other members to have a goal that motives them. I bet there a members here who'd love doing it like Bert, Fred from Jupiter and Mr. Jenkins to name but a few. As to the okefenokee stuff, how about using the shared files area with its free 18 MB for it ? Should be enough space for a few mpeg snippets I'm sure a few are interested listening to incl. myself. Best Regards Jens From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 9:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Hungarian wines and TD tunes' titles > In a message dated 4/16/2000 8:25:28 PM !!!First Boot!!!, rozsa@p... > writes: > > << According to Uncle Ed, TD are strictly opposed to drugs, drinking, and > debauchery.:-) > > Andrew >> > > * That would explain why their music has become so boring.... > Poly Ha Ha Ha, spot on Paul Nick Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 11:02 pm Subject: RE: Flawed English? The monthly newsletter of our local chapter of the AIA was once full of little errors. I couldn't stand it, so several years ago I volunteered to proof each issue. I've been doing it ever since. Sure, I still miss a few misssspellings, but at least it's not as bad as it once was! It would take just a few minutes to read and mark up a TD cover. Note: I'm not for a minute saying that American English is 'the' language (although the Internet, broadcast TV and syndication are helping to make it so). Merely that if the cover is in English it should be reasonably correct, free of glaring errors. Major TD fan, pushing 150 items. James Horecka, AIA, Architect jhorecka@p... http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka DataCAD Roundhouse: http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka/DCADLinks.html From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 11:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Recent Schulze/Ashra concert Glynn, Would you really expect kdm to let an opportunity pass to release any performance by Mr. Gottsching?? Especially a performance with Klaus Schulze? He knows there are some diehard fans willing to spend big bucks to get their hands on anything 'lazy bones' does! Fortunately, kdm doesn't seem as interested in the big bucks as he is in preserving the performance for the fans, though. I was already lining up a trade for this one, but now, I can wait for the official release...especially, since I am pretty sure that what was played will be what I get! ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Glynn Naughton To: Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 3:11 PM Subject: [tadream] Recent Schulze/Ashra concert Hello all, >From the Ashra page: >One-Time Reunion of Ash Ra Tempel >ASH RA TEMPEL played a one-time union concert in London's South Bank >on April 2, 2000 with its original lineup of Manuel Göttsching and >the band's other founding member Klaus Schulze. More information >about this event will follow soon. A live CD with music of this >concert including an informative booklet with many photos will be >released soon. Pre-orders are welcome at tvfilmvent@a... Ha! Looks like it doesn't matter that I didn't take my tape recorder along... From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sun Apr 16, 2000 11:34 pm Subject: Emusic 4 with TD reviews Hello, 'Emusic' has now been updated again with new reviews, interview, news and the usual stuff. In reviews, you'll find us looking at two Tangerine Dream releases, and in the editorial section we have the biggest EM gig guide we've ever seen on a site recently. Note: The URL has changed to www.folkvord.net/emusic so please update your links and/or bookmarks. The old URL will still work but it'll redirect you to the one one. Thanks for reading, Glenn (Emusic editor) From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 3:16 am Subject: RE: [tadream] 'tadream list Musicians' CDR > -----Original Message----- > From: Jens Peschke [mailto:joxbox@h...] ... > Von: 'Joe Shoults' ... > You mean uploading and downloading 100MB wise ??? > I doubt that would work. For those of us who have T1s, cable or better, 100mb isn't that bad, and it doesn't all have to be in the same place, of course. > As to the okefenokee stuff, how about using the shared files > area with its > free 18 MB > for it ? Should be enough space for a few mpeg snippets I'm > sure a few are > interested > listening to incl. myself. fantastic idea. please go right ahead, and let us know when they're there. joe From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 9:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Blue Years >Remixed of course. They're pulled from Dream Roots as far as I know, as was >Pink Years. Morgan may be thinking of The Book of Dreams - yet another Castle TD pink/blue years compilation. It did feature materialf rom Dream Roots, and so it was heavily remixed. The compilations sold under the names of The Blue Years and The Pink Years are original recordings - not remixed. It take it from your reaction, Derek, you won't be rushing out to buy the first 4 albums then? You may also be unaware that although Green Desert is billed as a Pink Years album (originally recorded in 1973) it wasn't released until 1986 with major re-recordings of tracks. That may exlain why you prefer it to the others of around that time. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: cosmos Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 10:29 am Subject: tourprogramme on ebay anyone interested in an original tourprogramme from our heroes take a look at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=309291370 andre From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 11:34 am Subject: RE: [tadream] 'tadream list Musicians' CDR, Dream Roots, and more . >> That just reminds me: what happened to the Tadream List Musicians' CDR Er, what be that (being a musician on the tadream list :-)? KRIS Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22040 Re: 'tadream list Musicians' CDR, Dream Roots, a Joe Shoults Mon 4/17/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 12:16 pm Subject: D:[Soundtrack] Shy people 'Shy people' surely doesn't belong to my favourite soundtracks, although tracks like 'Civilzed illusions' or 'Dancing on a white moon' are very good music. The title track could also be very nice if TD would have left it as instrumental music. But the female voice sounds awful to the music. I remember I had to pay quite an amount of money for the Shy people CD and wasn't pleased at all with TD at that time (1988). But with 'Optical race' things turned out for the better again.. Heiko From: Christian Villazón Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 12:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection Yes, I think the Dream Roots Collection is great, specially the 5 CD. In respect to the tangentized music is good, but the original versions are better (The Analog sound is incredible!) -----Original Message----- From: Brian M. Frick [mailto:bmfrick@s...] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 3:08 PM To: Tadream Mailing List Subject: [tadream] Dream Roots Collection I finally got my copy of the Dream Roots Collection. Does anyone besides me think this is one of the BEST releases TD has put out? Forget that the tracks have been tangentized; they are WONDERFUL. I am truly impressed by this release. What does everyone else think? -Brian 'The One Who Never Speaks On Here' Frick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get paid for the stuff you know! Get answers for the stuff you don’t. And get $10 to spend on the site! http://click.egroups.com/1/2200/3/_/24785/_/955825691/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 12:58 pm Subject: Hello, Just uploaded a bmp file at tadream@o... at the sharedfile section. It 's about the Gift sampler of Invisible records : the backside for the jewelcase ;-) I hope you can use it. Greetings Bert Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22397 (no subject) John Marchington Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB 22706 (no subject) Yensen, Stephen Tue 5/30/2000 2 KB 22885 (no subject) Daryoush Tahmasebi Fri 6/9/2000 2 KB 23644 (no subject) Owens, James Mon 8/14/2000 2 KB 24056 (no subject) Gabe Yedid Fri 9/22/2000 2 KB 25656 (no subject) keri.ford@p... Sat 1/13/2001 3 KB 27529 (no subject) Paul Lawler Thu 7/5/2001 2 KB 27909 (no subject) Colin Jouxson Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB 27910 (no subject) Gary Jenkins Wed 7/25/2001 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 2:26 pm Subject: Dead Solid Perfect Didn't this movie come out in 1989 (post Franke)? At least that's how I have it arranged in my collection though that would be far from perfection... - jim From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 2:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Dead Solid Perfect IMDB lists it as 1988. It's quite possible that TD recorded the soundtrack in 1987, maybe before Franke left. I don't remember off the top of my head who is credited on the soundtrack, or if their is individual credit given. I'll have to check the cover when I get home. James > -----Original Message----- > Didn't this movie come out in 1989 (post Franke)? At least that's how I > have it arranged in my collection > though that would be far from perfection... > > - jim > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22051 Re: Dead Solid Perfect rbrown4856@a... Tue 4/18/2000 2 KB From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Hungarian wines and TD tunes' titles Andrew Rozsa wrote: > > Personally I vote for the classics (Egri Bikaver or Debroi Harslevelu), > although I have been pleasantly surprised by a more recent cooperative > (with the Austrians, I suppose) wine, Donauherbst Blaufrankisch. I know > that some of the Spanish contingent (Francisco?!) would contribute some > brilliant Madeira wines. Can you please get your geography straight. The Madeira wine is from Madeira Island which is portuguese, not spanish! And yes, it is a great wine. ;-) Jorge Figueiredo Coimbra, Portugal np: TD - SOUNDffftMILLffftNAffftVIffftGAffftTORffft (Is there anyone still claiming not to hear those noises?) From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 2:50 pm Subject: KS - what to hear (Armin wrote): > 7) Dune > Arthur brown singing - its a bit like 30min long poetry reading > to an almost non-changing sequence. But its nice to get lost in it. (..And Craig Chambers added): It is okay...but not 'starter' material. Brown's vocals can become tiresome at times and interfer with the music, IMO. --- A very nice way of putting it, Craig. I am meaner and would say that Arthur Brown is as close to catastrophe as one can ever come in music. Schulze must have a weak spot for the guy as he has used him more than once. Apart from that a nice list, Armin, even if I agree with Craig in that Irrlicht is better to save for later. I also like Dreams a lot more than Royal Festival Hall: Dreams is dreamy and Royal Festival Hall is noisy (but Pedalling away is more than ok). Gustavo: A lot of things can be said about Schulze's music. In short I always found him second to Tangerine Dream. On the other hand his output is not at all as varied. This means he never reaches the highs of a TD in good form but on the other hand doesn't surprise you too negatively either. Just stay away from 'Schulze Goes Classic' and you will be all right. Boa sorte! Olle From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 3:26 pm Subject: Robert Scröder Gary Jenkins wrote: >Talking of Robert Schroder I have been desperate to get hold of >Floating Music on cd I know its been deleted anybody got any unwanted >copies? As usual I have a backlog on digests so you may have received help already. If not try Rockhouse: http://www.musicmailexpress.com/ They had it last week anyway. Good luck! (Floating Music is one of my all time favourites). /Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22063 Re: Robert Scröder Gary Jenkins Tue 4/18/2000 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 3:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar Froese & George Lucas: the Same Person? I actually made this analogy a couple of weeks back. I was referring partly to the way both men exercise absolute control over their respective empires, but moreso to their habit of going back and slapping digital additions overtop of their earlier work, and in a jarring manner. Soundmill Navigator is Edgar's 'Han meets Jabba the Hut' scene. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 3:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] KS - what to hear (Olle wrote:) I do like some of Brown's work, but the live stuff just sort of turns into an incoherent yelling session after a while. I think maybe KS was trying to add a human dimension to his music which was actually more disagreeable than his 'electronic' voicings... But 'Time Actor' is not too bad. I still think 'X' surpasses much of what TD has done from the standpoint of masterfully blending genres, with awesome sequences and beautifully unforgettable melodies. It is the 'feel of steel' and sublime organic musical poetry, all rolled into one. To my ears, this is the epitome of what EM really can do. Ha! Ha! Right-O! I bought 'Goes Classic' with some high expectations of what Klaus could do with some great renderings of classical masterpieces...geez, I have heard better MUZAK versions of the Beatle's 'A day in the Life' at the local super market... :-) From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 4:25 pm Subject: First Schulze hour Hello dreamers! Finally, after being thirsty for something new for more than one month, I decided to go and rent my first KS album. My first Schulze hour was Royal Festival Hall Vol.1, which I played in the car but didn't have the patience to wait so much time (as you know, superlong Schulzey intro...), but I finally ripped the CD to wave and played the whole 69 minutes CD. What a great music! Insistent samples, though. My favourite bits were Fire-Riser and Yearning. Unfortunately, this album doesn't have the depth of the music found in other albums. But it's surely something I'm going to play more than once! Jobim, ten minutes after RFH 1. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: Antonio Nunes Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 4:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Hungarian wines and TD tunes' titles Jorge Figueiredo wrote: > > Can you please get your geography straight. The Madeira wine is from > Madeira Island which is portuguese, not spanish! Maybe Andrew is talking about the wine from 1580-1640, when Portugal was dominated by Spain ;-) BTW, perhaps Francisco could try something about the Soundmill Navigator noise. He used to be a audio wizard. Meanwhile, if you drink a few glasses of Madeira wine before and while you listen to this album, you won't notice any noise :-) Antonio Nunes, from Madeira Island (still waiting for Soundmill Navigator) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22053 Re: Hungarian wines and TD tunes' titles Andrew Rozsa Tue 4/18/2000 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 6:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'tadream list Musicians' CDR, Dream Roots, and more . a collaborative cdr made by members of the list. got placed on backburner, i guess. > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhen, Kris [mailto:krhen@s...] ... > >> That just reminds me: what happened to the Tadream List > Musicians' CDR > > Er, what be that (being a musician on the tadream list :-)? > KRIS > From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 6:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'tadream list Musicians' CDR Joel Mullen was collecting the submissions IIRC, right Joel? > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [SMTP:joes@c...] > > a collaborative cdr made by members of the list. got placed on > backburner, > i guess. > From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 6:35 pm Subject: RE: Edgar Froese & George Lucas: the Same level of Control Hey thats funny I was thinking the same thing this weekend. but I was going to take the angle of reworking previous projects. I thought the additional footage for the original star wars was non obtrusive. I have not heard Soundmill Navigator yet. Steve ********************************************************************* What is my point? Folks like Edgar Froese and George Lucas, who own their own companies and have complete control on a par with Hitler in World War II (oh no, not *that* analogy again!) should hire someone to tell them when they're being morons so that they don't foist another abomination on the paying public -- someone that they can't just fire at the drop of a hat. That's what these clowns need. Hell, that's what the world at large needs. There used to be a time when I bought each and every album that Tangerine Dream and/or Edgar Froese put out, but now, what with all the poor judgement calls on the part of TDI (aka Edgar), that era (or should I say 'error'?) has ended. -- Steven Feldman -- unhumble webmaster for the Unofficial Karen Sheperd website [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Pergamon' Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 7:01 pm Subject: list of members that are musicians Hello all With all the talk of musicians on this list and a CD-projekt from them. Why not try to make a list of all musicians that are members of this list?????? I can start this list by adding my name: Jan Aunsholt Goa / Trance Hopefully we will see a list of all the musicians and let this be an introduction to new bands and music. I hope you will all attend this thread, as I am curious to how many musicians are on this list. Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22071 Re: list of members that are musicians Simon Slator Wed 4/19/2000 2 KB From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Blue Years Hi Thanks for the info Craig, I do own 'Green Desert' which although being partly re-recorded is IMO an excellent TD album. cheers for now Derek ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] The Blue Years >Remixed of course. They're pulled from Dream Roots as far as I know, as was >Pink Years. Morgan may be thinking of The Book of Dreams - yet another Castle TD pink/blue years compilation. It did feature materialf rom Dream Roots, and so it was heavily remixed. The compilations sold under the names of The Blue Years and The Pink Years are original recordings - not remixed. It take it from your reaction, Derek, you won't be rushing out to buy the first 4 albums then? You may also be unaware that although Green Desert is billed as a Pink Years album (originally recorded in 1973) it wasn't released until 1986 with major re-recordings of tracks. That may exlain why you prefer it to the others of around that time. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get paid for the stuff you know! Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site! http://click.egroups.com/1/2200/3/_/24785/_/955960058/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 8:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] list of members that are musicians See http://www.tadream.net and click on 'musos'. If anyone would like to be listed here, just send me a link to your sites, or e-mail me off-list with info and pictures and I'll be happy to help you by putting up links and or a page within Musos. joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...] ... > to make a list of all musicians that are members of this list?????? > > I can start this list by adding my name: > Jan Aunsholt Goa / Trance > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22055 Re: list of members that are musicians Bert.Hulshoff@N... Tue 4/18/2000 2 KB 22059 Re: list of members that are musicians tom807@a... Tue 4/18/2000 2 KB 22076 Re: list of members that are musicians grafzeigen Wed 4/19/2000 2 KB 22084 Re: list of members that are musicians Joel Mullen Wed 4/19/2000 4 KB 22085 Re: list of members that are musicians Joe Shoults Wed 4/19/2000 2 KB From: Tomas Rydqvist Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 8:37 pm Subject: Hmmm! Hi people! Can anyone tell me which one of these covers that are the original to the coefficient of aural exp.... A or B Thanks in advance Totta [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 8:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Hmmm! try again with URLS instead of attachments. or, you can upload to Shared Files area on onelist.com. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tomas Rydqvist ...> Can anyone tell me which one of these covers that are the original to > the coefficient of aural exp.... > A or B > From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 8:42 pm Subject: [tadream] OT: Spanish Margen mag Completely off topic ... Does anyone of our kind hearted Spanish (speaking) members know the Spanish magazine 'Margen' ? If so, please send me an e-mail offlist, I have some questions about it. Thank you for reading Jens From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 9:19 pm Subject: FW: Coefficient For Tomas: Which is original Coefficient cover? http://www.tadream.net/images/coeff2.jpg http://www.tadream.net/images/coeff1.jpg -----Original Message----- From: Tomas Rydqvist [mailto:tomas.rydqvist@g...] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 4:55 PM To: joes@c... Subject: Coefficient Hi I dont get contact with onelist.com so i send the pics to you intead, i hope its ok. Which one is the original ?? A or B Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22050 Re: FW: Coefficient Jim Moore Mon 4/17/2000 3 KB 22168 Re: FW: Coefficient Tomas Rydqvist Mon 4/24/2000 4 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 10:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] FW: Coefficient I have (1), and mine *isn't* a CD-R. - jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@c...] > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 5:19 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] FW: Coefficient > > > For Tomas: > Which is original Coefficient cover? > > http://www.tadream.net/images/coeff2.jpg > http://www.tadream.net/images/coeff1.jpg > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tomas Rydqvist [mailto:tomas.rydqvist@g...] > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 4:55 PM > To: joes@c... > Subject: Coefficient > > > Hi > > I dont get contact with onelist.com so i send the pics to you intead, i > hope its ok. > Which one is the original ?? > A or B > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get your money connected @ OnMoney.com - the first Web site that lets > you see and manage all of your finances all in one place. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3012/3/_/24785/_/956006004/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Mon Apr 17, 2000 11:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Dead Solid Perfect Greetings! Ralf Wadephul is credited with some of the composing so that would make it after Franke left. Rick From: 'Steven ' Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 12:00 am Subject: D:Soundtrack [Dead Solid Perfect] This Is My Favorite TD Soundtrack!!!!!! I first heard it on Dream Music, it became by 'pre-Keep TD Quest CD'. I think it was one of the 1st CD's I got on 'the net'. Played this one many times in a row. Anyway, it is constant, kinda romantic at times, actually. I never saw the movie, somehow cannot imagine it fitting in with a film about golf. :) Wait a minute, here it comes, my favorite...... Part EVER in a TD SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Song 3 'Beverly Leaves' :15 Very short 'piano type' solo, but, TOTALLY STUPENDOUS!!!!!!! The pain & thrill in the music, SIGH..... Alot of build ups & crescendos. A sense of urgency in most of the music. A whole lot of percussion all over the CD! Tracks 4 Cads & Cadies, Track 7 Sand Trap & Track 9 Nine Iron (no pun intended :) are perfect examples. Track 10 US. Open, Never sure if I like the 'trumpet sound' some days I do, some I do not. There is also a contsant 'theme' that visits through the music, excitement, then calmness, usually a fast song, then a slow. Mind you, it is a 'small clips' Cd such as 3 O'Clock High (I liked the movie when I saw it years ago, but do not own the CD, So cannot compare). It actually sounds like a soundtrack sometimes as well, as some of the songs are very similar in structure (& for those out there who will comment, I realize that alot of the songs are just played again at a differrent speed or with some more music added to it!) :p I also like the last Track Kenny's Winning Shot, I feel the triumph! A new era in TDness!!!! I Highly Reccomend It!!! siberkat Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22067 D:Soundtrack [Dead Solid Perfect] Owens, James E Tue 4/18/2000 3 KB From: Andrew Rozsa Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 2:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Hungarian wines and TD tunes' titles At 17:13 4/17/00 +0100, Antonio wrote: >BTW, perhaps Francisco could try something about the Soundmill Navigator >noise. He used to be a audio wizard. Meanwhile, if you drink a few >glasses of Madeira wine before and while you listen to this album, you >won't notice any noise :-) Maybe it was you, Antonio, and not Francisco who offered to swap Madeira for Hungarian? :-)) And, no doubt, a good glass of fine wine will definitely enhance the TD experience. I have good reviews about the Henriques 1900 Malvazia Solera. :-). Since the British get all the good Port (vinho do Porto), maybe I'll switch. Somebody ought ask TD which wine it is that Edgar and Co. 'don't' drink. ;-) Andrew From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 5:20 am Subject: Joel, Please Email Me A note to Joel Mullen: Sorry to post this to the list but I have lost my previous correspondence with Joel and need to get in touch. If he could email me I'd be most appreciative. Thanks Alan Cox PS Thanks to those who gave content in response to my request for more info on Soundmill Navigator. Yes I hear the tape noise. No I don't think the tangentization ruined the cd, and no, I didn't think the overall sound quality was very good. From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 6:53 am Subject: RE: [tadream] list of members that are musicians add my name to the list Bert Hulshoff (Phrozenlight) Spacescapes Keep on Dreamin' Bert my Homepage http://go.to/phrozenlight (always under construction) please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-) > ---------- > From: Pergamon[SMTP:pergamon@g...] > > With all the talk of musicians on this list and a CD-projekt from > them. Why not try > to make a list of all musicians that are members of this list?????? > > I can start this list by adding my name: > > > Jan Aunsholt Goa / Trance > > > From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 9:26 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] list of members that are musicians Thanks Joe and Bert, so the list keep getting bigger =) Bert Hulshoff (Phrozenlight) Spacescapes my Homepage http://go.to/phrozenlight please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jan Aunsholt (PERGAMON) Goa / Trance (SEDUCTIVE SPHERES) Ambient (click planet with orbiting moon on mainpage) my homepage http://hjem.get2net.dk/pergamon Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22058 Re: Sv: [tadream] list of members that are musici Synthhtnys@a... Tue 4/18/2000 2 KB 22060 Re: Sv: [tadream] list of members that are musici Patrik . Tue 4/18/2000 2 KB From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 10:35 am Subject: Circus Days - and One for Jared Saw a listing for Circus Days (Volumes 1 and 2) under the TD banner in HMV online last night - anyone have any ideas? Didn't give a release date or any details other than a standard TD bio. Also saw reference to some of the new vinyl Castle re-releases someone mentioned here a short time ago - no cover graphics given though. PS : Hey, Jared White, ever wondered where Grant got the TD albums to listen to? Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! NP : Trans-Europe Express - KW -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 9:51 am Subject: Re: Sv: [tadream] list of members that are musicians I'll throw my hat in the ring... Though I don't have my own page yet, I'm also in Dweller at the Threshold, so : http://threshold.opb.org Poly Paul Ellis / Secret Fire Music Synthhtnys@a... New solo album: Appears to Vanish Now available @ www.neuharm.demon.co.uk From: tom807@a... Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] list of members that are musicians Me, too. check out my eMusic if you want, including a cover of Monolight. http://www.mp3.com/tom807 From: 'Patrik .' Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 6:31 pm Subject: Re: Sv: [tadream] list of members that are musicians Well, website under construction, but still...playing. Patrik Ljungberg - Tranceharmonic ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 3:21 pm Subject: Mobile Phone Tunes Hi all Today I downloaded a 12-second tune of Brahm's Hungarian Dance #5 from a mobile phone company website here in Hong Kong. This is the same tune as appeared on Klaus Schulze's 'KS Goes Classics'. I am wondering if any other TD/KS/classical tunes are available on any fan or company website(s)? I know it might be a problem to download from overseas (US) but, what, if I can have, say, 10 different TD tunes from the 70s and 80s stored in my mobile phone and when I want it I can just listen to the cute few seconds without carrying the heavy discman...8-) Jeffrey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 5:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Mobile Phone Tunes what is the original site to which you are referring? > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Au Yeung [mailto:coldwatercanyon@h...] ... > Today I downloaded a 12-second tune of Brahm's Hungarian > Dance #5 from a mobile phone company website here in Hong > Kong. This is the same tune as appeared on Klaus Schulze's Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22072 Re: Mobile Phone Tunes Jeffrey Au Yeung Wed 4/19/2000 3 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 6:09 pm Subject: Re: Robert Scr€  öder --- In tadream@egroups.com, olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > Gary Jenkins wrote: > > >Talking of Robert Schroder I have been desperate to get hold of > >Floating Music on cd I know its been deleted anybody got any unwanted > >copies? > > As usual I have a backlog on digests so you may have received help already. > If not try Rockhouse: > http://www.musicmailexpress.com/ > > They had it last week anyway. Good luck! > > (Floating Music is one of my all time favourites). > > /Olle thanks for your help unfortunately they dont appear to have it anymore,I have a slight chance of buying it off another member. I agree with you that it is a superb album. One more point I am assuming that the cd version is the same as the 45 rpm from the record and not the 33rpm. From: David Hughes Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 7:23 pm Subject: Edgar's favourite tipple Hello, Andrew Rozsa wrote : >Somebody ought ask TD which wine it is that Edgar and Co. 'don't' drink. ;-) I think it's made from sour grapes these days... Regards David T-Bass UK Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 7:43 pm Subject: D: [Soundtrack] Dead Solid Perfect Just for grins, I decided to lug this soundtrack and play it in my Walkman while hitting nine holes. Once I figured out the cues, it actually becomes a *great* soundtrack for driving, pitching, and putting (especially putting). Of course, my partner got kind of exasperated at me constantly fooling with my CD-player before each shot. Having seen the movie, it also works well as a soundtrack. Of course, there is material in the movie not on the CD... oh, well... - jim From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 9:15 pm Subject: TD soundtrack trivia Hi All, A friend and I were having a conversation off-list about TD soundtracks and I thought I'd post some trivial bits we discovered: I checked IMDB for the Director filmography of Bobby Roth. In his list are: The Switch (TV) Rainbow Drive (TV) Tonight's the Night (aka The Game of Love) (TV) which are unreleased soundtracks by TD, and Dead Solid Perfect Heartbreakers The Man Inside (aka L'Affair Walraff) which are released soundtracks by TD Total of 6 movies with Bobby Roth directing. Also, Bobby Roth Directed some episodes of 'Miami Vice' which was produced by Michael Mann (who directed 'The Keep' and 'Thief'). Small world, eh? James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22069 Re: TD soundtrack trivia Jim Moore Wed 4/19/2000 2 KB From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 9:39 pm Subject: D:Soundtrack [Dead Solid Perfect] I actually think this is a really good soundtrack. I agree with Siberkat about the triumphant feel to 'Kenny's Winning Shot'. Also, there's one track which is a rip from the first part of 'Alchemy of the Heart' from _Tyger_. The synth-harpsichord part was sped up and changed to a major key for the soundtrack version. It's played probably 40-50% faster, but it's definitely recognizable, especially to someone who's listened to Tyger as much as I. Again, some good stuff here. Even though I'd love to have heard some fleshed out versions of those clips, or even some suites with several cuts segued together, I still offer thanks to Silva Screen records for making this available to us. Now if someone would go back and pick up the other 3 Bobby Roth/TD films I'd jump for joy! James From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue Apr 18, 2000 10:12 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD soundtrack trivia very good work. there are other connections, too, like Alberta Watson, Jurgen Prochnow, off the top of my head... joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James E [mailto:james.e.owens@b...] > Subject: [tadream] TD soundtrack trivia > > I checked IMDB for the Director filmography of Bobby Roth. ... > Total of 6 movies with Bobby Roth directing. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22074 Re: TD soundtrack trivia Owens, James E Wed 4/19/2000 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 4:23 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TD soundtrack trivia > From: Owens, James E [mailto:james.e.owens@b...] > I checked IMDB for the Director filmography of Bobby Roth. > In his list are: > Total of 6 movies with Bobby Roth directing. > Also, Bobby Roth Directed some episodes of 'Miami Vice' > which was produced by Michael Mann (who directed 'The Keep' and 'Thief'). > Small world, eh? Also, I think Franke has done several movies for Roth since leaving TD... - jim From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 7:01 am Subject: members/musicianslist Hello all The list has grown, and looks like this: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bert Hulshoff (Phrozenlight) Spacescapes my Homepage http://go.to/phrozenlight please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jan Aunsholt (PERGAMON) Goa / Trance (SEDUCTIVE SPHERES) Ambient (click planet with orbiting moon on mainpage) my homepage http://hjem.get2net.dk/pergamon - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I don't have my own page yet, I'm also in Dweller at the Threshold, so : http://threshold.opb.org Poly Paul Ellis / Secret Fire Music Synthhtnys@a... New solo album: Appears to Vanish Now available @ www.neuharm.demon.co.uk - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Tom807 check out my eMusic if you want, including a cover of Monolight. http://www.mp3.com/tom807 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Well, website under construction, but still...playing. Patrik Ljungberg - Tranceharmonic - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Thanks, and keep adding to the list. Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22088 Re: members/musicianslist Gustavo Jobim Wed 4/19/2000 3 KB 22133 members/musicianslist Pergamon Sun 4/23/2000 5 KB 22162 Re: members/musicianslist Marcel Engels Mon 4/24/2000 2 KB From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 8:42 am Subject: RE: list of members that are musicians Don't forget The Simon Slator Project!! Progressive Electronic / Classical Electronic / New Age http://pages.zoom.co.uk/simon.slator http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 2:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mobile Phone Tunes ---- Original Message ----- From: Joe Shoults To: tadream@egroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 1:27 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Mobile Phone Tunes what is the original site to which you are referring? Hi Joe, The website is in Chinese - if you are interested, have a look at: http://download.ismart.net/r-classical-index.asp Well you have to be a customer of the company in order to download the tune, so it probably is no use to you in the US - a non-customer can't be billed. What I am wondering is whether I can send the tune out by long distance call to somebody in a foreign country. Anyway, the company charged me HK$1 per tune i.e. US$0.125 only. 8-) Jeffrey > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Au Yeung [mailto:coldwatercanyon@h...] ... > Today I downloaded a 12-second tune of Brahm's Hungarian > Dance #5 from a mobile phone company website here in Hong > Kong. This is the same tune as appeared on Klaus Schulze's From: Steven Feldman Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 2:01 pm Subject: Nightcrawlers articles now on the web! For those who don't know, The Nightcrawlers were one of the best TD-inspired E-music bands of all time -- certainly the best that the USA ever produced. I have finally gotten around to adding a review of their first album (by Sam Rosenthal, who later founded Projekt), four articles on the band, and two interviews with the founder of the band. The URL to go to is http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/night/night1.html I don't have a scanner, so I typed these suckers in by hand. I'd been meaning to do so for almost two years. Now, I have! :) Enjoy. Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. MAJOR E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Moroder -- *not* Kraftwerk! +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | TD DISCOGRAPHY http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/tadream2.html | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 3:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD soundtrack trivia You're right Jim! Thanks! Chris Franke/Bobby Roth movies: Holiday Romance, A (1999) (TV) Devil's Child, The (1997) (TV) Inheritance (1997) (TV) aka Louisa May Alcott's The Inheritance (1997) (TV) Tell Me No Secrets (1997) (TV) > -----Original Message----- > > Also, I think Franke has done several movies for Roth since leaving TD... > > - jim > From: 'Christopher Lomas' Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 4:59 pm Subject: My latest bargains Had £20 burning a hole in my pocket today (not for very long in truth as I'd only just taken it out of the cash machine) and happened across a couple of second hand CDs which I felt compelled to buy. But I can't listen to either of them as I've had to take my CD player in for repair. So in the absence of being able to listen to them I thought I'd canvass some opinions as to what everyone else thinks of them instead... The first of these, you're probably pretty familliar with - Lilly On The Beach - I quite like the tracks which feature on the Private Music compilation CD. I can't quite remeber which ones feature from LOTB, but they're all pretty pleasant, occasionally very good and rarely stray into the bland muzak approach that distinguishes stuff like Turn Of The Tides imo. The second one was a bit of a controversial choice, (by my standards anyway) but was inspired by reading good things about the band on this very list. The band - Future Sound Of London, the CD I can't remember the title of, but it's a double. I get the feeling this might strike me as a little bit more trendy than the sort of stuff I normall go for - but it seemed like too good an opportunity to waste. So, I'd be interested to hear any and all opinions. It comes to something when you have to get your musical fix vicariously like this doesn't it. And to anyone who's read this far - sorry for rambling. Cheers Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22079 Re: My latest bargains Gary Jenkins Wed 4/19/2000 3 KB 22083 Re: My latest bargains Gustavo Jobim Wed 4/19/2000 2 KB 22092 Re: My latest bargains craig.cordrey@g... Thu 4/20/2000 4 KB From: 'grafzeigen' Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] list of members that are musicians Count me in, too. I produce and manage a group called 'Roadfilm' as well as compose and record my own music under the name 'PhantomStance'. I sent a tape to the people who were going to compile the CD-R of list musicians over a year ago. Frankly, I was kind of ticked off that it never appeared. I was really looking forward to hearing everyone's stuff. I had to assume someone fell down on the job. Perhaps that's why I've been in 'lurk-mode' for so long! Graf Zeigen 'It's the stuff DREAMS are made of.' Sam Spade - 'The Maltese Falcon' ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] list of members that are musicians From: 'grafzeigen' Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: (OT) Hall of the Mountain Grill 'It's the stuff DREAMS are made of.' Sam Spade - 'The Maltese Falcon' ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 9:15 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: (OT) Hall of the Mountain Grill > In a message dated 4/13/00 3:29:04 AM, kohntarkosz@y... writes: > > >< >got this... I'm floored!)>> > > Ahh....Hawkwind!! Hall of the Mountain Grill was the first Hawkwind album I bought when it was new - just because I liked the cover:-) Turned out I also loved the music, so I am almost as 'anal' about collecting Hawkwind as I am about TD. So, how does everyone feel about TANG-GO? Graf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22086 Re: Re: (OT) Hall of the Mountain Grill Frank Arellano Wed 4/19/2000 3 KB From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 5:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] members/musicianslist Okay, okay: Jens Peschke (JoxBox) Kubusschnitt: www.kubusschnitt.de Navigator: www.navigator.xodox.dk also guest on ['ramp]'s 'Frozen Radios' www.nodular.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22095 Re: members/musicianslist =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Travies Thu 4/20/2000 2 KB 22111 members/musicianslist Lauri Turjansalo Fri 4/21/2000 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 5:36 pm Subject: Re: My latest bargains --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Christopher Lomas' wrote: > Had £20 burning a hole in my pocket today (not for very long in truth as I'd > only just taken it out of the cash machine) and happened across a couple of > second hand CDs which I felt compelled to buy. But I can't listen to either > of them as I've had to take my CD player in for repair. So in the absence of > being able to listen to them I thought I'd canvass some opinions as to what > everyone else thinks of them instead... > The first of these, you're probably pretty familliar with - > Lilly On The Beach - I quite like the tracks which feature on the Private > Music compilation CD. I can't quite remeber which ones feature from LOTB, > but they're all pretty pleasant, occasionally very good and rarely stray > into the bland muzak approach that distinguishes stuff like Turn Of The > Tides imo. > The second one was a bit of a controversial choice, (by my standards anyway) > but was inspired by reading good things about the band on this very list. > The band - Future Sound Of London, the CD I can't remember the title of, butit more good somethi it. And >> Chris >Hi Chris can't tell you anything on the FSL CD,but can on Lily on the Beach. This cd is probably not to the liking of the older td fans due to the relatively short tracks and quite commercial sound but I quite like it, the stand out tracks in my opinion are Too hot for my chinchilla,Lily on the Beach,crystal curfew,Radio City which features Jerome's first appearance on guitar,but the best track is Long Island Sunset which at the time was a different sound with it's use of flute and saxophone all in all not a bad purchase for you. _Gary._____________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 5:39 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] My latest bargains Lily is an incredible album! 'Too Hot for My Chinchilla' is the opening track (track 2 on the Private Music of... compilation). It has one of the most ROCKIN' guitar solos TD has done (IMHO). Jerome sits in for another excellent guitar solo on 'Radio City'. The final track 'Long Island Sunset' starts kind of slow, but patience is rewarded, as the upbeat section contains some of the most creative flute playing since _Cyclone_! The centerpiece of the album though is '29 Palms' (named for the city in California, near Joshua Tree National Park - where the picture on the front of the Shepard's Bush single was taken). '29 Palms' is primarily a piano solo (presumably played by Haslinger). Probably the most beautiful piece of piano music I've heard. Incidentally, those who skipped the Okefenokee trip missed an incredible rendition of '29 Palms' played by Dave Brewer. Thanks for the memory, Dave! James > -----Original Message----- > Lilly On The Beach - I quite like the tracks which feature on the Private > Music compilation CD. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22090 Re: My latest bargains Dave Brewer Thu 4/20/2000 4 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 6:07 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] My latest bargains Hello > The first of these, you're probably pretty familliar with - > Lilly On The Beach Yeah, well, this one is for me not one of the greatest album TD has made, but what can you say....it's TD. > The second one was a bit of a controversial choice, (by my standards anyway) > but was inspired by reading good things about the band on this very list. > The band - Future Sound Of London, This group that featured on the techno/ambient scene for quite a while. they had a monster-hit in the beginning of the 90', 'Papua new Guinea'. Great track. If you like their music, they are going under different names, try out the Amorphous Androgynous 'tales of ephidrina', a wonderful CD with nice tunes. Jan From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 6:18 pm Subject: D:Live [Encore] Yes, I'm a bit late. I bought the Definitive[SBM] Encore today, and I'm playing it for the first time right now. Cherokee Lane doesn't bring anything new; just the classic TD sequencing with the Mellotronic atmosphere of the albums of that period. Monolight - that tune after the piano intro is one of THE TD themes of all time, along with the Phaedra tune, the Atem intro tune, the Stratosfear tune, Force Majeure, Tangram, Thru Metamorphic Rocks, etc. The following part is also very good. Later, Stratosfear is played. Fantastic. And the piano comes back, but hey, it's Invisible Limits! Incredible. Coldwater Canyon - the beginning is similar to Indian Summer. Froese-guitar, Froese-guitar. Chris' eagle, more guitar. A tune that reminds me of Phaedra. Not bad. Desert Dream - A totally pink years track, which ends with a 1-minute sequence. This album, as someone said during the Encore discussion week, should've ended with Monolight. The last two tracks doesn't add anything to the album. Monolight: the best track, and one of the best TD tracks from the 70s. Cherokee Lane: nice sequencer track. Coldwater Canyon: nothing to add to the album. Desert Dream: pink track. makes you sleepy. Encore: a good album, good mix of the first 7 years of TD. 3.5/5 . Ricochet is better. Jobim, playing Monolight again Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22105 Re: D:Live [Encore] DEREK@l... Fri 4/21/2000 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 6:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] My latest bargains >The first of these, you're probably pretty familliar with - >Lilly On The Beach - I quite like the tracks which feature on the Private >Music compilation CD. A very good CD in my opinion. There's every kind of music there: driving rhythms, melodic tracks, calm ones, etc. My favourite tracks there are Valley of the Kings, Crystal Curfew, Twenty-Nine Palms (one of the best TD piano tracks), and Desert Drive, to pick 4. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: Joel Mullen Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 7:01 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] list of members that are musicians On Wednesday, April 19, 2000 12:09 PM, grafzeigen [SMTP:grafzeigen@m...] wrote: > I sent a tape to the people who were going to > compile the CD-R of list musicians over a year ago. > Frankly, I was kind of ticked off that it never appeared. I was > really looking forward to hearing everyone's stuff. I had to assume > someone fell down on the job. Perhaps that's why I've been in > 'lurk-mode' for so long! O.K. *I* was the one that TRIED to compile a CD-R set with 'list' musicians on it. I finally gave up on the idea after numerous set-backs. I had wanted to include everyone I could, but I waited for a number of submissions that never arrived. I also waited for people to 're-mix' what they had submitted as they were not happy with it. A few people pulled tracks they submitted and re-submitted other tracks instead. Tracks that were way too long were submitted. People started submitting tracks from artists that were not even on the list. Not to mention the artists that never made the switch from the UW Parkside list to the 'onelist' who wanted to be included too. All along people were complaining it was taking too long. People that said they would help with certain aspects of the release could no longer be found. etc, etc, etc..... I finally had enough and said to myself 'they can all stuff it!' Oh sure there was the odd one that didn't cause me grief, but for the most part it was a headache. I am not a musician so I guess I am not used to dealing with that type, but all I can say is 'never again!' If you want to use me as an excuse for not contributing for the list for a year, fine, do it. Get ticked off, I don't really care. I advise against anyone without a high tolerance for dealing with *artists* to avoid getting involved in a CD-R project. Downloadable mp3 files are the only way to go, you can submit it whenever you want and change it whenever you feel like it. New members can be easily added too. That's about all I have to say on the subject. Regards, Joel From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 7:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] list of members that are musicians Hi Graf- Please send us (the list) any links to more info about your projects! If you don't have any web-based info, send me what you've got with pics, and I'll set one up for you at www.tadream.net/musos joe > -----Original Message----- > From: grafzeigen [mailto:grafzeigen@m...] > > Count me in, too. I produce and manage a group called 'Roadfilm' as > well as compose and record my own music under the name > 'PhantomStance'. I sent a tape to the people who were going to >... > Graf Zeigen From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 8:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: (OT) Hall of the Mountain Grill RE: Tango I listened to the first five tracks on disc one and had to turn it off! I haven't gotten back to it yet either, sorry. Frank Arellano ----- Original Message ----- From: grafzeigen To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: (OT) Hall of the Mountain Grill > > 'It's the stuff DREAMS are made of.' > Sam Spade - 'The Maltese Falcon' > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 9:15 PM > Subject: [tadream] Re: (OT) Hall of the Mountain Grill > > > > In a message dated 4/13/00 3:29:04 AM, kohntarkosz@y... writes: > > > > >< > >got this... I'm floored!)>> > > > > Ahh....Hawkwind!! Hall of the Mountain Grill was the first Hawkwind > album I bought when it was new - just because I liked the cover:-) > Turned out I also loved the music, so I am almost as 'anal' about > collecting Hawkwind as I am about TD. > > So, how does everyone feel about TANG-GO? > Graf > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. > Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already > registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/2886/3/_/24785/_/956165092/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 8:56 pm Subject: About LOTB again Another thing I'd like to add about Lily on the Beach is that it always reminds me of Le Parc. Both albums have the same feeling and atmosphere for me. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 9:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] members/musicianslist I've been making tracker music since January, and I have some full tracks and excerpts at http://gfjm.cjb.net . There you can find some experimentations I've had with music. The tracks and excerpts are in MP3 format, generated from XM tracks. I give brief descriptions about each track. So add me to the list: Gustavo Jobim - tracker musician np Desert Drive (lily on the beach) > The list has grown, and looks like this: > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Bert Hulshoff (Phrozenlight) Spacescapes >Jan Aunsholt (PERGAMON) Goa / Trance >Poly http://threshold.opb.org >Tom807 http://www.mp3.com/tom807 >Patrik Ljungberg - Tranceharmonic Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Wed Apr 19, 2000 9:11 pm Subject: re (ot) hall of the mountain grill Seems interesting the link between Hawkwind and TD I haven't got the above mentioned album but have got a few others from my younger days Master of the universe being a classic. re,Tan go just recieved ok for new fans but a bit pointless if you got all cd's of the 90's just wish more original studio work could be done and less soundtrack work. From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Thu Apr 20, 2000 12:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] My latest bargains -----Original Message----- From: Owens, James E To: 'tadream@egroups.com' Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] My latest bargains Lily is an incredible album! 'Too Hot for My Chinchilla' is the opening track (track 2 on the Private Music of... compilation). It has one of the most ROCKIN' guitar solos TD has done (IMHO). Jerome sits in for another excellent guitar solo on 'Radio City'. The final track 'Long Island Sunset' starts kind of slow, but patience is rewarded, as the upbeat section contains some of the most creative flute playing since _Cyclone_! The centerpiece of the album though is '29 Palms' (named for the city in California, near Joshua Tree National Park - where the picture on the front of the Shepard's Bush single was taken). '29 Palms' is primarily a piano solo (presumably played by Haslinger). Probably the most beautiful piece of piano music I've heard. Yeah, Lily is one of my favorites too! I guess it's because that was the current album out when I started listening to TD. I'm one of those strange TD fans that enjoys both the older and newer styles TD. The style phases over the years may be quite different, yes. But each has redeeming qualities to me. I had heard Long Island Sunset on the jazz station before I actually got the album. I already had Optical Race and maybe Underwater Sunlight, and I was still able to recognise LIS as a TD tune, even though I was still new to them. Man, even the Private Music era is starting to feel like a 'classic' period, now that it's ten years gone. :-) Incidentally, those who skipped the Okefenokee trip missed an incredible rendition of '29 Palms' played by Dave Brewer. Thanks for the memory, Dave! I'm glad you liked my rough imitation...I mean interpretation. Yeah, that's what I meant... Interpretation! If you and Andrew Rozsa don't stop complimenting me so much, I'm liable to get an inflated ego! :-) Seriously tho, 29 Palms is one of my all-time favorite TD tunes. I would imagine that Haslinger played it, but I've never seen any specific info about it. Dave B. (thinking about that ARP 2600 I saw in a shop today......) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Larry E Smith Date: Thu Apr 20, 2000 2:14 am Subject: TD like music- Waveworld/Force Majeur Has anyone heard Waveworld's 'Species' or Force Majeur's 'Total Solar Eclipse'? How do you like them? Thanks in advance, Larry _______________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Thu Apr 20, 2000 9:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] My latest bargains >The second one was a bit of a controversial choice, (by my standards anyway) >but was inspired by reading good things about the band on this very list. >The band - Future Sound Of London, the CD I can't remember the title of, but >it's a double. I get the feeling this might strike me as a little bit more >trendy than the sort of stuff I normall go for - but it seemed like too good >an opportunity to waste. Since you've already had responses to LotB, I'll take FSoL. The only double CD I'm aware of is Lifeforms - the one with a long haired asian child on the cover, shown among a computer-generated weird landscape and holding an anemone (sp?) type animal in his/her hand. I bought this albuma few years back on the basis of an advert in a music magazine - very unusual for me. It mentioned the strange nature of the music and I was captivated by the images. I wasn't disappointed. It's a curious blend of ambient electronic sounds and dance rhythms, with the occassional chanted vocals. It has a very 'organic' feel to it - many of the effects remind me of animal cries and lapping shores. I love it. I also bought the Lifeforms CD-Single - a forty minute epic which appears to be almost entirely new music. From here I bought ISDN and was severly disappointed, and i heard Dead Cities with equal disappointed. Hope I've got the right album, and that this has whetted your appetite for hearing it. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Apr 20, 2000 8:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Nightcrawlers articles now on the web! Great job, Steve. I remember back in the '80s when I was first getting my hands on synths My friend Jeff Vasey had ordered some huge amount (40, I think) of cassettes of Nightcrawlers stuff and I remember wading through them all....Just incredibly prolific..... I like their studio releases the best, though.... Especially recommended to those who love the TD boots of the '70's Poly From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Apr 20, 2000 9:37 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] members/musicianslist Hello all Joe I will send you this list when all who wants to be on the list has requested it. The list has grown again, and looks like this: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bert Hulshoff (Phrozenlight) Spacescapes my Homepage http://go.to/phrozenlight please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jan Aunsholt (PERGAMON) Goa / Trance (SEDUCTIVE SPHERES) Ambient (click planet with orbiting moon on mainpage) my homepage http://hjem.get2net.dk/pergamon - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I don't have my own page yet, I'm also in Dweller at the Threshold, so : http://threshold.opb.org Poly Paul Ellis / Secret Fire Music Synthhtnys@a... New solo album: Appears to Vanish Now available @ www.neuharm.demon.co.uk - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Tom807 check out my eMusic if you want, including a cover of Monolight. http://www.mp3.com/tom807 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Well, website under construction, but still...playing. Patrik Ljungberg - Tranceharmonic - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Simon Slator Project!! Progressive Electronic / Classical Electronic / New Age http://pages.zoom.co.uk/simon.slator http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I produce and manage a group called 'Roadfilm' as well as compose and record my own music under the name 'PhantomStance' Graf Zeigen - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jens Peschke (JoxBox) Kubusschnitt: www.kubusschnitt.de Navigator: www.navigator.xodox.dk also guest on ['ramp]'s 'Frozen Radios' www.nodular.de - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Gustavo Jobim - tracker musician http://gfjm.cjb.net - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Thanks, and keep adding to the list. Jan From: José Travieso Date: Thu Apr 20, 2000 9:45 am Subject: RE: [tadream] members/musicianslist Hi!, Other musician: José Travieso Style: minimalism / experimental All the best, JR From: 'John Marchington' Date: Thu Apr 20, 2000 12:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD like music- Waveworld/Force Majeur Hi Larry, I have 'Total Solar Eclipse' and think it's an excellent album. The two who comprise Force Majeure are László Kovács and Zsolt Vidovenyecz (I read that they are Hungarians, but the latter's surname has a Polish sound to it), and they are excellent synthesizer players. The music on the album (12 tracks in all) suggests the likes of Vangelis, Pink Floyd and - not surprisingly, considering the name the duo adopted - Tangerine Dream. I certainly enjoy the CD enormously. ---- Original Message ----- From: Larry E Smith To: Sent: Thursday, 20 April 2000 02:14 Subject: [tadream] TD like music- Waveworld/Force Majeur > Has anyone heard Waveworld's 'Species' or Force Majeur's 'Total Solar > Eclipse'? How do you like them? > > Thanks in advance, > Larry > _______________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enjoy the award-winning journalism of The New York Times with > convenient home delivery. And for a limited time, get 50% off for the > first 8 weeks by subscribing. Pay by credit card and receive an > additional 4 weeks at this low introductory rate. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3102/3/_/24785/_/956197147/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22099 Re: TD like music- Waveworld/Force Majeur Szatmari, Pal Thu 4/20/2000 3 KB From: 'Renaud xxXxx' Date: Thu Apr 20, 2000 3:48 pm Subject: Re: KS recommendations >From: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 464 >Date: Fri, Apr 14, 2000, 18:23 > > Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:47:03 EDT > From: rbrown4856@a... >Subject: Re: Recommendations wanted about KS > >Greetings! > > When you hear one KS cd you have basically heard them all! > >Rick >NP-The Beach Soundtrack (This is a good soundtrack) Exactly what my maid always says about Brahms. And this is not a true statement. (For KS, I mean). KS, as well as TD, has very different periods in his discography: Irrlicht and Cyborg could be compared to Electronic Meditation and Zeit (experimentation, pink years...). From Picture Music to 'Live'. these would be the Virgin years period of TD (Picture Music, Blackdance, Timewind -a masterpiece-, Moondawn -another masterpiece-, Mirage - THE masterpiece-, the Body love soundtracks, 'X' - THE OTHER masterpiece- and the double LP 'Live'). Then, we enter a transition period toward the digital sound in the 80's with Dig it, Trancefer. Both are very good, completly different from the previous ones. After, Audentity and 'Djiekurze Poland' are contemporary to TD's Poland. Still very good. From that period also, 'Entrance' should be probably chosen as a first try. Finally, KS has entered the MIDI / Fairlight period from Babel and Miditerranean Pads until now. From that point on, KS and TD become less comparable. TD going towards more melodic and commercial (oops...short tracks) albums and KS, to the contrary, extending the pieces to the limits of the 80 minutes CD space. The music may be qualified as being repetitive, as Rick mentioned, but it is worth trying. If you elect to do so, please go for Beyond Recall: it is magic. it is indeed very difficult to know where to start when artists have such vast discography. I actually have the same problem with Hawkwind. I really can't decide where to start when I am looking into the HMV related section. And I don't want to pick up the wrong one to start with. Could be fatal... In that respect, for a first try at KS, I would suggest to completly avoid Irrlicht, Cyborg and Dune (half of this CD contains horrible singing from Arthur Brown and the other half is a beautiful piece centered around a cello played by Wolfgang Tiepold but which is quite 'modern' in Ligeti or Stockhausen definition of the term) and preferably not to start with Blackdance or Picture Music neither. Actually, go for Timewind, Moodawn, Mirage and X. Then you can decide where you want to take it from there, but at least you will have all the basics. Renaud. From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 20, 2000 4:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: KS recommendations > > Actually, go for Timewind, Moodawn, Mirage and X. Then you can decide where > you want to take it from there, but at least you will have all the basics. > > Renaud. Renaud did a wonderful job of summarizing this discussion...Jobim, if you are still interested in this thread, then Renaud's suggestion of the above 4 is probably the best place to start. Unfortunately, with these you reach the Apex immediately, so everything else is pretty much downhill. But, regardless of where you go from here, you will be rewarded with a music that continues after 30 years to maintain a vision and a progression. The 'cello' disc (49) on the Ultimate Edition is magic!! Wolfgang Tiepold is the magician...Klaus is the godlike being who defines the laws in which the magician can perform his tricks. EM in 2000....still as captivating as when I first heard TD's 'Encore' back in '79. And Klaus carries the largest torch. Craig From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Thu Apr 20, 2000 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD like music- Waveworld/Force Majeur >I have 'Total Solar Eclipse' and think it's an excellent album. The two >who comprise Force Majeure are László Kovács and Zsolt Vidovenyecz (I read >that they are Hungarians, but the latter's surname has a Polish sound to >it), and they are excellent synthesizer players. They are both Hungarians. I like Solar eclipse. It is their debut album. The title track always gives me goosebumps, since it perfectly conveys what I felt during the eclipse last year. I can compare it to the style of Vangelis and Chris Franke (lots of analogue sequences!) and JMJ. Their homepage is under constuction: www.extra.hu/forcem From: 'twosheds' Date: Thu Apr 20, 2000 9:04 pm Subject: More about Mars Polaris I didn't follow the discussions of MP much when they occurred, since I didn't have it until this past Tuesday (my 33rd birthday). After a couple of full listenings, I can say that I think it's fantastic! One thing I noticed is that the melodies seem to have been inspired by other TD tracks. I also received Pink Floyd's live Wall set, which is also fabboo, even though they really did some detailed editing on it. (Contact me privately for details if interested) I also received a disc in the mail last week by Danish one-mand-band Rey, which is really good. Very inspired by TD, without sounding derivative. Scott From: Grant M Somerville Date: Thu Apr 20, 2000 10:09 pm Subject: Availability of Soundmill Navigator? Hi All, Anybody else aware that Amazon UK saying that SM will not be available until May 22nd? Kind Regards, Grant. Grant M Somerville Glasgow, Scotland. Looking for Live Music Recordings...try http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html SOUNDCHECK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: aoutland@a... Date: Thu Apr 20, 2000 11:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream]Okefenokee In a message dated 04/19/2000 1:47:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, james.e.owens@b... writes: << Incidentally, those who skipped the Okefenokee trip missed an incredible rendition of '29 Palms' played by Dave Brewer. Thanks for the memory, Dave! James >> Speaking of which: aren't any of you guys going to write an impression of the daily events there? Dave at least submitted a small report, but it was like a post card: saw lots of stuff, had a great time, wish you were here. Come on guys. While it's still fresh in your memory give the rest of us unfortunates a real description. I want to hear about the playing of 3AM, and the canoe rides, and every mosquito bite and alligator. Details!!! Thanks. 8-) Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22106 Re: Okefenokee Dave Brewer Fri 4/21/2000 3 KB 22110 Re: Okefenokee Joe Shoults Fri 4/21/2000 2 KB 22117 Re: Okefenokee aoutland@a... Fri 4/21/2000 2 KB 22125 Re: Okefenokee Szatmari, Pal Sat 4/22/2000 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Apr 20, 2000 11:07 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] More about Mars Polaris Hej Scott You are in luck, this CD is IMO one of the best CD produced on Danish ground, for decades. He also features on the Tangerine Ambience CD's, from Hypnotic Records. But his sound on these CD's is not very good. I am looking forward to new material, from this guy. I already have the mentioned CD, and have enjoyed it very much Jan > > I also received a disc in the mail last week by Danish one-mand-band Rey, > which is really good. Very inspired by TD, without sounding derivative. > > Scott > From: aoutland@a... Date: Thu Apr 20, 2000 11:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [Encore] In a message dated 04/19/2000 2:23:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gustavfj@m... writes: << Coldwater Canyon: nothing to add to the album. >> Sorry, I don't agree with you here, but, hey, that's what discussion is all about. This is my favorite on the album, and one of my favorites over all of TD music. I recorded this one on a favorites tape at the beginning and played it and ran it back to the beginning and played it again so many times that I wore out the tape without getting to listen to much of the rest of it very often. Try getting an old Grade B monster movie in your mind and see if it doesn't fit quite well with all those alien roaring bogey man moments that make you laugh now, but had you cowering when you saw it on the big screen. 8-) Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22124 Re: D:Live [Encore] Szatmari, Pal Sat 4/22/2000 3 KB From: DEREK@l... Date: Thu Apr 20, 2000 11:12 pm Subject: Re: D:Live [Encore] --- In tadream@egroups.com, Gustavo Jobim wrote: > Yes, I'm a bit late. > > I bought the Definitive[SBM] Encore today, and I'm playing it for the first time right now. Hi Everyone By sheer coincidence I also bought 'Encore' today along with 'Pergamon', I will post reviews of these albums plus others in the weeks/months ahead. Derek (np- 'Pergamon') From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Fri Apr 21, 2000 12:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream]Okefenokee -----Original Message----- From: aoutland@a... To: tadream@egroups.com Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [tadream]Okefenokee Speaking of which: aren't any of you guys going to write an impression of the daily events there? Dave at least submitted a small report, but it was like a post card: saw lots of stuff, had a great time, wish you were here. Come on guys. While it's still fresh in your memory give the rest of us unfortunates a real description. I want to hear about the playing of 3AM, and the canoe rides, and every mosquito bite and alligator. Details!!! Thanks. 8-) Dell I'd like to, but I don't want to annoy anyone with a message to the list just talking about the trip. It seems like it's too off-topic. I dunno... Is there anyone that would mind having accounts of this trip posted here? Speaking of being fresh in the memory, I'm off to go get my pictures from the trip now! :-) Dave B. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: izyrp@o... Date: Fri Apr 21, 2000 2:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Availability of Soundmill Navigator? Try 'Amazon.de' then.I got SN from there after approx.1 week of waiting time. Zbig Grant M Somerville wrote: > Hi All, > Anybody else aware that Amazon UK saying that SM will not be available > until May 22nd? > > Kind Regards, Grant. > > Grant M Somerville > > Glasgow, Scotland. > > Looking for Live Music Recordings...try > http://freespace.virgin.net/grant.somerville/2index.html > > SOUNDCHECK > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enjoy the award-winning journalism of The New York Times with > convenient home delivery. And for a limited time, get 50% off for the > first 8 weeks by subscribing. Pay by credit card and receive an > additional 4 weeks at this low introductory rate. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3102/3/_/24785/_/956268559/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Chris Richards Date: Fri Apr 21, 2000 7:38 am Subject: Re: Nightcrawlers Is any of their stuff still in print? ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Fri Apr 21, 2000 10:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Nightcrawlers > Is any of their stuff still in print? The 2 CD sampler 'traveling backwards', released 1997 on the German Manikin label http://www.manikin.de should still be available. It contains music from 83-87. State sides http://www.eurock.com is the Manikin distributer. Best Regards Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22163 Re: Re: Nightcrawlers Steven Feldman Mon 4/24/2000 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Apr 21, 2000 2:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream]Okefenokee not off-topic at all. we're eager to hear what happened! hopefully more of us can do it next year. -joe P.S. if you can scan the pics, or e-mai lthem, I'll put them on the okefenokee page/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Brewer [mailto:deibu@i...] ... > I'd like to, but I don't want to annoy anyone with a message > to the list just talking about the trip. It seems like it's > too off-topic. I dunno... Is there anyone that would mind > having accounts of this trip posted here? > From: 'Lauri Turjansalo' Date: Fri Apr 21, 2000 12:57 pm Subject: [tadream] members/musicianslist Hello, yet another musician here: Lauri Turjansalo _ Cirdan / Paradise Dreams http://pdreams.cjb.net From: Jon Johnson Date: Fri Apr 21, 2000 2:23 pm Subject: Add me/Count me in>list of members that are musicians Digest Number 470< Message: 20 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:01:58 +0200 Greetings one and all. I'd like to be added to the list of musicians who are members of this great forum. I would also be interested in a CD-R project and would be willing to donate time and resources to make it work. Again hello to everyone here! Musicians and non-musicians. You all are great. and as KS used to write in his records 'See You'. -Jon Johnson http://www.mindspring.com/~mrj12/index.html >Re:> From: 'Pergamon' Subject: list of members that are musicians Hello all With all the talk of musicians on this list and a CD-projekt from them. Why not try to make a list of all musicians that are members of this list?????? I can start this list by adding my name: Jan Aunsholt Goa / Trance Hopefully we will see a list of all the musicians and let this be an introduction to new bands and music. I hope you will all attend this thread, as I am curious to how many musicians are on this list. Jan> 'Sign the Mona Lisa with a spraycan call it art, but never let your love my friend, unto a foolish heart.' - Garcia/Hunter Visit the official Jon Johnson Homepage at http://www.mindspring.com/~mrj12/index.html From: Joel Mullen Date: Fri Apr 21, 2000 4:45 pm Subject: TD soundtracked movies for sale Hello all- I have a few extra NTSC VHS videos for sale if anyone is interested. (they are all originals, no copies) Contact me off-list if you are interested. Joel (joelm@p...) Heartbreakers $15 Legend (sealed) $10 Luminous Visions (VHS and DVD (no CD)) $10-VHS $12-DVD Near Dark $10 Rainbow Drive $15 Rumpelstiltskin (sealed) $20 The Keep $20 The Man Inside $20 Wavelength $10 From: tom807@a... Date: Fri Apr 21, 2000 8:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Add me/Count me in>list of members that are musicians Digest Nu... In a message dated 4/21/2000 11:19:23 AM SA Eastern Standard Time, mrj12@m... writes: << I would also be interested in a CD-R project and would be willing to donate time and resources to make it work. >> Me too. -- Tom http://www.mp3.com/tom807 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22115 Re: Add me/Count me in>list of members that are hous865@c... Fri 4/21/2000 2 KB 22116 Re: Add me/Count me in>list of members that are tom807@a... Fri 4/21/2000 2 KB From: hous865@c... Date: Fri Apr 21, 2000 8:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Add me/Count me in>list of members that are musicians Digest Nu... Hi Tom, I am not sure what your email is about. I joined the Tadream fan site and that's really all. I am unaware of a CD-R project and don't know how my name became involved with that. I am just a Tangerine Dream fanatic checking out the various TD related web sites. Sorry if this has caused any confusion however it is nice to hear from a fellow T-Dreamer! Regards, Harry From: tom807@a... Date: Fri Apr 21, 2000 9:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Add me/Count me in>list of members that are musicians Digest Nu... In a message dated 4/21/2000 6:35:58 PM SA Eastern Standard Time, hous865@c... writes: << Hi Tom, I am not sure what your email is about. I joined the Tadream fan site and that's really all. I am unaware of a CD-R project and don't know how my name became involved with that. I am just a Tangerine Dream fanatic checking out the various TD related web sites. Sorry if this has caused any confusion however it is nice to hear from a fellow T-Dreamer! >> I was posting to the Tadream (re:Tangerine Dream) list. Somehow this must have gotten cc:'ed to you. Sorry. -- Tom http://www.mp3.com/tom807 From: aoutland@a... Date: Fri Apr 21, 2000 9:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream]Okefenokee In a message dated 04/20/2000 8:13:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, deibu@i... writes: << 'd like to, but I don't want to annoy anyone with a message to the list just talking about the trip. It seems like it's too off-topic. >> Off topic? A trip conceived and planned around a song done by TD? How could that be off topic? Please continue. It's a lot closer to the subject than some of the threads have been lately. 8-) Dell From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 12:48 am Subject: Okefenokee Trip 2000 - A Diary Dear Tangerine Dream Fans! I possibly missed some posts about the Okefenokee trip while I was still on the trip because I got bounced off the list just before the trip and it took me a few days to get back onto the list. Anyway, here are the trip details (including pre and post trip info), at least from my perspective. I encourage any other attendees to contribute their comments. April 6, 2000 I pick up Marcel Engels in Atlanta coming in from Amsterdam. We drive back from the airport with his gear in the back seat of my open convertible and the top to his rack flies off on the interstate and is run over by a few cars. A guy pulls next to us honking his horn - I hope we didn't damage his paint job, but oh well. Marcel was a great sport about it and said a piece of plywood would fix it for the return trip. April 7, 2000 Marcel and I spend most of the day searching for a 220 volt converter to run his equipment. We drive all over Atlanta sightseeing and searching for a coverter that can handle about 500 watts and also are looking for a keyboard since Marcel left his at home. We got the keyboard at Guitar Center and the coverter at a small electronics shop in a multi-ethnic neighborhood. We come home and hook up the equipment and the first demo sessions begin. April 8, 2000 The pre-Swamp party begins. In the late afternoon and evening we have a few fans arrive for dinner and a fan chat about Tangerine Dream, the trip, and life in general. We have a small TD raffle and everyone walked away with a nice gift. Marcel also picked the winning ticket for the SwampPak 11 raffle - and the winner is Rainer Rutka! We also have a practice/demo session performed by Marcel and Dave. In attendance were: Marcel (The Nederlands), Dave Brewer (Arizona), Jim Moore (Atlanta), Tom George (Tennessee), James Owens Family (Alabama) and my son Patrick and myself. A very nice demo session was played at 1:30 a.m. I'm glad Tom convinced me to stay up and record the session! :-) April 9, 2000 (Day 1) Jan Ksel from Florida joins us and we start a small 3 car convoy to the Okefenokee. We stop for lunch on the way and then for food and supplies at Valdosta, GA. The drive from Valdosta to Okefenookee consisted mainly of forest views (Tom blasts 'Madrigal Meridian' in the car on the final leg into the swamp!). We arrive around 6PM and then Roger Smith (Florida) arrives and joins the group. The final group was only 6 people since James couldn't come down and Jim was unfortunately pulled away by his work schedule in literally the last minute. At the Swamp we occupy cottages #3 & #2 (we all move to cottage #3 the next day). We find out that these cottages are really fully equipped homes with all the amenities, so we figure the Swamp will not be all that rough after all. We explore a bit around the woods and settle in for a BBQ and music. We conduct a swamp music demo session. In bed at 3AM. April 10, 2000 (Day 2) We get up and Roger tells us the there were dear by our window and many raccoons. We hear strange moaning sounds from the swamp behind the cottage... In the morning we tell the facility manager Barabara that we would like to play live music and have a night cruise on the swamp. She said it was fine to play the music but the night cruise would be very difficult to arrange. At 3PM (not 3AM) Marcel and Dave start playing the afternoon set under a shelter during a wonderful sunny day. The music was very nice with many sequences, but unfortunately it was not captured on cassette, but major portions of the show were captured on video! Jan has to depart for home at this point. The remaining group went canoeing in the late afternoon. We saw plenty of alligators sunning themselves and many birds such as herons and ibis. The swamp water was very calm and beautiful. It reflected everything and the color of the water reminded me of strong tea. When we returned from the trip, we had dinner and then prepared for the evening concert. We were granted permission by the park service to take over the visitors information center which consisted of a small wooden stage and a museum depicting life in the Okefenokee. The stage was set at 10PM and the concert was flawless (I got it all on video too). Marcel and Dave played very well together and we captured a wonderful dark EM piece on cassette. This will be the main track of the CD release. At the cottage, we had a raffle of various TD items and EM music. Everyone won something and it was a very fun party. Obviously everyone was having a great time :-)! We got to bed at (you guessed it) 3AM. April 11, 2000 (Day 3) Dave and Tom have to leave us in the morning, so then there were three (Marcel, Roger, Vic). We rented a small boat with a motor and went cuising through the swamp for almost 5 hours. We first boated to Billy's Island. We docked there and took a hike through the pine trees. We saw an old swamp buggy and a cemetery. There were many butterflies too. From the island we started off on some swamp runs. In places the swamp was very narrow and we had to 'push' the boat through the trees. Along the way we saw a deer, many alligators, water turtles and birds (I loved the small yellow Finches). The impressions of the swamp are sometimes just undescribable - you just have to be there. During the entire trip we had clear skies, warm weather and little humidity or bugs. We get home to the cottage and eat vennison for dinner and relax. All of a sudden we get surprised by the park manager. She comes in and asks us if we want to go on a night cruise on the pontoon boat. We leave on the evening cruise (but not at 3AM) and enjoy some very rare sights. With our flashlights pointing towards the shores of the swamp, we can easily identify the alligators by the scary reflection in their eyes - it reminded me of many Jack-O-Lanterns. At times the boat engines were shut off and we could just listen to the wildlife. We mainly heard tree frogs which produced a metallic type clacking sound, which was once in a while inturrupted by a lonely bullfrog croak which at times was so loud that it echoed through the swamp. It almost sounded like a wild pig with a bellowing sound. Marcel and I chuckled every time we heard it - it was just way too cool. After the night trip we relaxed in the cottage - again until 3AM. Roger was describing to us the TD-type jellyfish sting sound :-) Too bad it was not on tape. April 12, 2000 (Day 4) Roger has to leave us at noon, so it was just the two of us. we went for a walk on a couple of park maintained swamp trails. Marcel and I plan to go for lunch to the tiny logging town of Fargo which is 17 miles away, but we have a problem because my car battery was dead - kaput! We get a jumpstart from the ranger and drive to Fargo for a southern lunch. We get a jumpstart again and drive to Jasper Florida to check out the sights and to hopefully recharge the car battery. We get back to the cottage and relax. Marcel gets motivated to play some music and from this he records the fabulous track 'Cottage #3' (which will be included on the swamp CD-R)! April 13, 2000 (Day 5) Marcel and I pack up and try to get back to Atlanta. My car battery is still bad so we push start the car - and we're off. Just as we are about to leave the swamp - we see a black bear running across the road - what a rare sight! We take a different route back and see more forests and some small towns. Along the way I see a black moccasin snake on the road slithering across, but unfortunately I could not avoid him and I ran him over. As we cruise back to Atlanta (push-starting the car each time we stop) we listen to the tapes by Marcel and Dave and just smile and cruise on... April 19, 2000 Marcel transfers the tapes onto CD at my home and then heads back to Holland. What a trip! April 21, 2000 (Good Friday) I am making demo copies of the music for the fans that attended and soon there will be an official release of the first electronic swamp music CD titled 'Okefenokee Dreams 2000'. I'll send a post to the list when the CD is available. Also, we'll try to have a web page ready soon along with copies of the video. Stay tuned. And finally, I'd like to state that we plan to have this event again next April 2001. I will be making reservations about 5-6 months in advance and I will be asking this time for money up front. You can call this trip the 'demo' swamp trip. But it has happened and everyone agrees this is a great place to hold an annual event like this. More EM musicians will most likely join us. So let's at least go from 6 nuts in a swamp to at least 16 nuts in a swamp next year. You won't regret it - just plan in advance. Thanks for the support! Vic Rek NP: Okefenokee Dreams 2000 Demo CD :-))) From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 1:13 am Subject: My Okefenokee Report (long post) Okay, it looks like some folks would like to hear about it, and no one's voiced any opposition to it. So I'll go ahead with my account. I must warn you, I'm not the best storyteller in the world. Friday, April 7 - I had to get up kinda early for my flight from Arizona, but things were pretty uneventful. After having the flight delayed, having problems at the Atlanta airport, and getting lost on my way to Vic's, I finally made it! Marcel was already there with his gear set up, and so was Vic's mom, his cousin Jan and his son. It was really nice of them to keep dinner out for me! After hanging out a little, and nursing a headache, I pulled out my keyboard to see if it survived the trip. Marcel and I just messed around a bit with some music, and we all hung out and talked, and listened to music. Saturday, April 8 - Today we got up and went out to a neat little park near the Chattahoochee river to take some 'promo' pictures. It was cold and windy, but still nice. We took some pictures of Marcel and myself, and Vic's son even got in a couple of them. I thought the whole activity was kinda silly (tryin' to look like a cool musician!), but there were some good photos taken, and I guess they'll be on the CDR artwork. For one, we climbed up on a tree that was hanging out over the water. I slipped and almost fell off, but I caught myself with a hand on some poison ivy! (I was fine tho) After that, Marcel and I went to a nearby mall to check it out. Then we returned to Vic's house to hang out some more and wait for dinner company. Eventually, we were joined by James Owens and his wife, Jim Moore, and Tom George, and we all had dinner. Some time later, since we now had a captive audience, Marcel and I took to our keyboards and played a bunch of different things. I think everybody enjoyed it, judging from the comments. Unfortunately, James and his wife had to return home, and Jim got called away by his job. So the rest of us hung out, played more music, then got some rest before the trek to the deeeep south. Sunday, April 9 - Vic, Marcel, Tom, Jan, and myself head out for Okefenokee! Nothing too exciting. Marcel and I talked quite a bit about things, and we listened to a Led Zepplin CD and the tapes of stuff we recorded so far. We didn't see one instance of 'Southern Justice' on the way down! :-) We got to Stephen Foster park and the cottages near dusk, and were soon joined there by Roger Smith, with a canoe on top of his truck. I think we were all surprised by these cottages. They were full-blown, 2-bedroom houses with just about everything you could need. We got settled in, and had an excellent feast. We hung out for a while, chatting, having a few drinks. Then we decided to walk around the park a bit. I think it was past curfew, but oh well. There wasn't very many people there anyway. We walked down to a little 'amphitheater' near some of the camp sites. It was really just a cleared-out area with some bleachers and a little wooden stage with a power outlet. There was also a big bonfire pit to one side of the stage. That would have been neat to play there, but we didn't have enough amplification to play in such an open area. We returned to the cottages and hung out some more, listening to music and talking. It was an unusual experience for me to be sitting around with a bunch of other people, listening to TD! I was enjoying it, but it was getting really late. Roger suggested getting up early to do some paddling. We finally settled into our beds at some awfully late hour, with Roger and Tom at one cottage, and the rest of us in the other. Monday, April 10 - Ugh, I get up too late! It's about 10 AM! I think most of us ended up sleeping in too long, although I heard that Roger was up and around early. I missed the deer that came up to the house. Oh well, I got to see the pictures at least. After I get myself together, I'm out back of the cottage with some of the others, and we notice a woodpecker going to work on some tree, so we sneak up and take some pictures. I seem to remember also seeing a raccoon scurry by. Some time later on, we hear a long, low grunting noise. We figure it's some kind of alligator noise, so we walk to the edge of the trees to investigate. All of the sudden, Jan starts making this strange sound, like a raquetball bouncing or something. He says it's the mating call of 'gators, to try to attract one. I don't think any of us believed him, but we all had a good laugh from it! We never saw a gator then, tho. We cooked up some hamburgers for lunch. I guess it smelled good, cuz right after we started cooking, a hawk was circling right overhead! No beef for you, pal! After lunch, it was too hot to go out paddling in the middle of the day, so we decided to make some music under a picnic shelter near the visitor center. We got all set up and played another 20 minute improvised piece. Marcel said it was the first time he ever played outdoors. After we were done, Vic got a card for the folks at the TDI office, and we all signed it and he got it mailed off. Maybe you'll see it hanging on their wall if you ever make it to their office. We decided we were going to play the main set of music in the visitor center, and somehow, Vic and Roger got us permission. It was getting later and cooler, and Jan had to return home. We wished him farewell and we decided to go on a little canoe trip. Roger and Tom got in Roger's canoe, and Vic, Marcel and I got in a rental. I was the middle person, so I was spared having to paddle, but I did take pictures. We saw some gators floating stationary in the boat launch area, and paddled out of a canal. I guess we almost ran over a gator in the canal, but all I could see was Marcel's back, so I have to take their word for it. Once we got out of the canal, we were out of the park and the water opened up wide. The trees were really interesting. A lot of them were just growing up out of the water, like they were their own islands. Vic recommended we head closer to the water's edge, and sure enough, that's where we see alligators! There were quite a few around, just sitting there, like they were waiting for people to go by. Most of them were kinda small, but there was one big fat one on land that we saw. Unfortunately, time was getting short so we didn't go very far before turning back. We saw a bunch more alligators on the way back, including a little one stretched out on a log with one foot missing! I got a good picture of this three-footed little guy. We got back to the boat launch and there was still some gators floating around. We tried to get close to take pictures, but like celebrities dodging the paparazzi, they ducked under the water before we had a chance. There was one right on the boat ramp, however, and we were careful not to scare him away when we got out, so we got some pictures of this one as well. What a beauty! (trying to sound like the Crocodile Hunter on those cable TV shows :-) ) We returned to the cottage and had an excellent Jambalaya dinner courtesy of Roger. Then we got all set up in the visitor center for the evening show. Vic even tried to advertise it, but no one else there was interested. The park rangers were nice to let us in there so late. They just asked us to lock it up when we were done. We set up on a little stage, and a couch was placed right in front. We had a basic idea of what we were going to play. Something that started off mysterious, swampy, eerie, then going into a neat sequence that Marcel concocted after hearing Hoenig & Gottsching's Early Water Saturday night. We played in near total darkness for the intro and ending, and it really added to the atmosphere! We ended up playing for about 30 minutes with that piece. We all enjoyed it. I know I was getting lost in the atmosphere while I was helping make it! We packed up and went back to the cottage to listen to what we had made that day. Unfortunately, the outdoors performance wasn't recorded due to technical problems. But the evening piece was, and it turned out very well! We spent the rest of the night hanging out, listening to music, and having a little raffle for a bunch of items. It was all lots of fun, but I had to get up early to get back to Atlanta the next day. Tuesday April 11 - I should have stayed an extra day! That is a really neat place! But I already had my plane ticket to head home. Tom and I left a bit after 8 AM after saying our goodbyes to the others. He had his car at Vic's house on the north end of town, and the airport is on the south end! We listened to music and chatted a bit on the way back. This time I found Vic's house with no problem. (you miss one little turn-off and you head for South Carolina!) We parted ways at Vic's house and I went to the airport. What happens next is kinda interesting, but I guess it's not worse than what TD has gone through when travelling with their gear. I checked my bags (my keyboard case, an army surplus duffel bag with my stand and seat, and suitcase), but they said I had one too many and I had to pay extra for it! What?! I didn't have to in Phoenix! Whatever. I payed it, and the lady eyes my keyboard case and asks, 'Is that a gun?' I answer promptly, 'No, it's a musical keyboard. Do you want me to show you?' She looks at the case, then me, then the case again. 'No, that's okay, if that's what you say it is,' she says. A gun? Sheesh. It's an SKB case for a 61-key keyboard! That would hold a big gun! I walk away, and watch her take my stuff, laughing to myself when she lugs that heavy, green army duffel bag and think 'there's my gun!' ;-) I think it's all fine and I walk through the x-ray checkpoint. But they don't give me my bag, they just stare at the monitor, and irradiate my things. They ask to look through my stuff and I let them. Everything's fine, but they sure seem paranoid here. I ask if they had a scare or something. They said they just saw the wires for my little CD player. Okay, whatever. I look around and notice they are frisking little old ladies as well! I'm outta here. I get home fine, and I listen to Tang Go in the car back to my house. (thank you Vic!) This was an awesome trip. I will definitely do it again next year. Hopefully, there will be more people next time! And hopefully more musicians, since there is quite a few of us on this list. I really enjoyed jamming with Marcel. I hope you enjoyed reading this! (assuming you even got this far! :-) ) Dave B. From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 1:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] My Okefenokee Report (long post) Dave, This must be ESP because we were both writing our experience to the list at approximately the same time. Thanks for filling in the other details that I omitted. Great reading - and I do think you are a better storyteller than I am. :-) Sorry for missing some of the important stories you pointed out - but that's why we need everyone's fresh thoughts about the trip. We WILL have another Swamp Trip, so TD fans please put Okefenokee in your calendar next April 2001. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22121 Re: My Okefenokee Report (long post) Joel Mullen Sat 4/22/2000 2 KB 22135 Re: My Okefenokee Report (long post) tom george Sun 4/23/2000 9 KB 22169 My Okefenokee Report (LONG) Marcel Engels Mon 4/24/2000 20 KB 22172 Re: My Okefenokee Report (LONG) Joe Shoults Tue 4/25/2000 2 KB From: Joel Mullen Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 5:40 am Subject: RE: [tadream] My Okefenokee Report (long post) On Friday, April 21, 2000 8:57 PM, Vic Rek [SMTP:torque19@i...] wrote: > We WILL have another Swamp Trip, so TD fans > please put Okefenokee in your calendar next April 2001. > > Vic And I WILL be there...... no matter what! It sounded like it was great, thank you both for such good posts. I love the little details! Regards. Joel From: Chris Richards Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 7:43 am Subject: Klaus Schulze 50 CD set Say, is it just me or has there been little or no discussion of the Klaus Schulze 50 CD set? I was wondering what's on it? Is there a lot of unreleased stuff? Live stuff? What's the deal? Also, how does one go about getting it in the US? ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22128 Re: Klaus Schulze 50 CD set Robert Grabowsky Sat 4/22/2000 3 KB 22141 Re: Klaus Schulze 50 CD set Airwave Sun 4/23/2000 5 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 9:32 am Subject: Discussion Week 32 - 23rd April 2000 This week we have a live (heh) album called 'LIVEMILES' to discuss.. please make your subject read 'D:Live [Livemiles] when posting comments or reviews. Cheers, Lawry NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22181 Re: Discussion Week 32 - 23rd April 2000 Owens, James E Wed 4/26/2000 3 KB From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 8:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [Encore] >In a message dated 04/19/2000 2:23:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >gustavfj@m... writes: > ><< Coldwater Canyon: nothing to add to the album. >> > > Sorry, I don't agree with you here, but, hey, that's what discussion is >all about. This is my favorite on the album, and one of my favorites over all >of TD music. >8-) Dell I think that Coldwater Canyon is the most rocking track on Encore. I love the rhythms, the eccentric guitar work, and the second half of the track is very atmospheric. And the finish is superb! Of course the other tracks are also great but I needed some time before I could really appreciate Desert Dream: when I used to play Encore all the way through, I kind of got wound down at the start of Desert Dream because it does not have the moving sequencer rhythms, but once in the middle of the track, I always got accustomed to it. And one more thing: I associated most of the pictures printed in the middle of the fold-out LP with Coldwater Canyon. I don't know why. I don't have the LP now, I have replaced it with a CD and I miss those pictures :( Pal From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 9:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream]Okefenokee >In a message dated 04/20/2000 8:13:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >deibu@i... writes: > ><< 'd like to, but I don't want to annoy anyone with a message to the list >just talking about the trip. It seems like it's too off-topic. >> > > Off topic? A trip conceived and planned around a song done by TD? How >could that be off topic? Please continue. It's a lot closer to the subject >than some of the threads have been lately. 8-) Dell Yeah, please share your experiences with us. I remember someone mentioning an Okefenokee web page. What is the URL? Pal From: 'kayleigh' Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 1:04 pm Subject: Musicians on the list Hey there all. Wanted to have myself included in the list of musicians. I've been playing the piano for 23 years now, the synth and keyboards for about 16 years now (First ever keyboard was a MOOG, I STILL own it and all the full size controls still work thanks to years of hard upgrades)(GRIN). AND have been playing the guitars since about 14 years now. Just curious about musicians, how many write their own stuff, AND is there anything out there of fellow TD fans that has been recorded? I have material of my own out, and love sharing, tha'ts why I asked. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://www.modempool.com/kayleigh Crack A Smile - THE Online Poison Mailing List TheTradingCircle - An Online CDR Trading Network! ICQ# 1247205 - AOL IM: Tootiehoot2 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22173 Re: Musicians on the list Armin Theissen Wed 4/26/2000 2 KB From: Lambert Ringlage Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 1:21 pm Subject: Lambert, list of members that are musicians Hi If you like early 80s T.D. music you can try my music as for example: Lambert - Dimensions Of Dreams If you enjoy the mid 70s Berlin School (Rubycon etc) you may try Jiannis. His CDs are also featured on my website: http://www.sphericmusic.de mp3-sound clips available Kind regards Lambert From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 1:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze 50 CD set Chris, The first question would be do you own any of the other sets that Klaus has released? (Siver,Historic,Jubilee) These 3 sets along with 5 more discs make up the entire 50 CD collection. You can buy just the last 10 CD's if you have the first 3 sets. Unfortunately 3 of the discs repeat from the Jubilee set and 2 of them replace the ones that got dupilcated in the same set. Four of the last 5 are all unreleased stuff and the last one are all the single tracks that have appeared on other compilation CD's or as singles. Everything in all the sets is UNRELEASED!!!! This Idea is something I wish Edgar would do. In the US you need to contact Eurock (www.eurock.com). But you better hurry. THE HIGHLANDER At 12:43 AM 4/22/00 -0700, you wrote: >Say, is it just me or has there been little or no >discussion of the Klaus Schulze 50 CD set? I was >wondering what's on it? Is there a lot of >unreleased stuff? Live stuff? What's the deal? >Also, how does one go about getting it in the US? > > From: aoutland@a... Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 2:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Report In a message dated 04/22/2000 1:42:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, joelm@p... writes: << thank you both for such good posts. I love the little details! >> I echo this statement. And really regret I was unable to be there this time too. I hope Marcel will also send us his impressions of his trip to America. I can't wait til you make that CD-R available to us. 8-) Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22132 Re: Okefenokee Report Gustavo Jobim Sat 4/22/2000 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 7:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze 50 CD set >Chris, > In the US you need to contact Eurock (www.eurock.com). But you better >hurry. > > THE HIGHLANDER Groove also has KS'S Ult. Ed. for sale. It's US$ 400. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 8:07 pm Subject: D:Live [Livemiles] I find this CD a bit uninteresting, although I really liked the Dolphin Dance part. There are other live albums much better than this one. I think even 220 V is better than Livemiles. Jobim Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22134 D:Live [Livemiles] Jared White Sun 4/23/2000 3 KB 22156 Re: D:Live [Livemiles] Harri Ikonen Mon 4/24/2000 3 KB 22234 Re: D:Live [Livemiles] colin anderson Tue 5/2/2000 8 KB 22235 Re: D:Live [Livemiles] Heiko Heerssen Tue 5/2/2000 3 KB 22267 Re: D:Live [Livemiles] Szatmari, Pal Wed 5/3/2000 2 KB 22440 Re: D:Live [Livemiles] aoutland@a... Sat 5/13/2000 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 8:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Report ><< thank you both for such good posts. I love the little details! >> > > I echo this statement. And really regret I was unable to be there this >time too. I hope Marcel will also send us his impressions of his trip to >America. I can't wait til you make that CD-R available to us. 8-) Dell It really must have been a great event. At least I made my own Okefenokee event myself, when I started playing Stratosfear by 2:45 am, with 3 AM starting almost exactly at 3 AM, the other day. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 11:52 pm Subject: members/musicianslist Hello all There has been some new entry's om the list, here they are:: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - If you like early 80s T.D. music you can try my music as for example: Lambert - Dimensions Of Dreams If you enjoy the mid 70s Berlin School (Rubycon etc) you may try Jiannis. His CDs are also featured on my website: http://www.sphericmusic.de - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - dan Kayleigh's Playhouse! http://www.modempool.com/kayleigh - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lauri Turjansalo _ Cirdan / Paradise Dreams http://pdreams.cjb.net - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Jon Johnson http://www.mindspring.com/~mrj12/index.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - José Travieso Style: minimalism / experimental - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bert Hulshoff (Phrozenlight) Spacescapes my Homepage http://go.to/phrozenlight please listen to my spacesongs and send me an review ;-) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jan Aunsholt (PERGAMON) Goa / Trance (SEDUCTIVE SPHERES) Ambient (click planet with orbiting moon on mainpage) my homepage http://hjem.get2net.dk/pergamon - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I don't have my own page yet, I'm also in Dweller at the Threshold, so : http://threshold.opb.org Poly Paul Ellis / Secret Fire Music Synthhtnys@a... New solo album: Appears to Vanish Now available @ www.neuharm.demon.co.uk - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Tom807 check out my eMusic if you want, including a cover of Monolight. http://www.mp3.com/tom807 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Well, website under construction, but still...playing. Patrik Ljungberg - Tranceharmonic - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Simon Slator Project!! Progressive Electronic / Classical Electronic / New Age http://pages.zoom.co.uk/simon.slator http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I produce and manage a group called 'Roadfilm' as well as compose and record my own music under the name 'PhantomStance' Graf Zeigen - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jens Peschke (JoxBox) Kubusschnitt: www.kubusschnitt.de Navigator: www.navigator.xodox.dk also guest on ['ramp]'s 'Frozen Radios' www.nodular.de - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Gustavo Jobim - tracker musician http://gfjm.cjb.net - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Thanks, and keep adding to the list. Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22162 Re: members/musicianslist Marcel Engels Mon 4/24/2000 2 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Sun Apr 23, 2000 2:27 am Subject: D:Live [Livemiles] Livemiles -- an interesting combination of TD's 'classic' sequencer-based style and their early short thematic composition style which would really come into its own with Optical Race (almost there, YES!!! ;) ). It's also an admirable swan song for Christopher Franke, who left the band right after Livemiles' release. Sure, in the scheme of things this may not be a epic moment in TD's career, but it's an excellent example of TD's amazing knack for churning out good themes and melodies at a rapid pace (from album/concert to album/concert, I mean). Livemiles is fraught with catchy ditties, hidden chordal patterns of great beauty, and exciting rhythms. Sometimes unmemorable, but sometimes mind-burrowing (I've had about a four-measure phrase from Livesmiles going around and around in my head all day, and I haven't even listened to it for ages!), Livemiles is definitely an important album to have in your collection if you wish to get a better understanding of the dramatic difference between the varying Blue Years styles and the solid, multi-faceted style of the Melrose and early Seattle Years. In other words, Livemiles is, at the very least, an important transition piece, and that is something to keep in mind as you're evaluating the musical content of this work. I can hardly wait 'till next week, though, when the first TD album I ever heard will be talked about. My mind 'races' as I try to 'see' the outcome of next week's discussion! ;) Take care, Jared __________________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@g... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks (Celtic Music Ensemble): http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite Try BeOS Today! http://www.be.com From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Apr 23, 2000 2:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] My Okefenokee Report (long post) Saturday, April 8 i had full intentions of getting an early afternoon start on my trip to Atlanta but things kept coming up and it was around 7 pm before i got on the road. It is about 3 and a half hours so i knew i wouldn't get there until 10ish. i contemplated calling Vic to make sure they would be up but then i decided of course they will. the directions Vic gave me were spot on and i had no trouble at all finding his place. Of course knowing that the next day was Sunday i located a store that had a reasonable selection of imported beer and loaded up for the upcoming days. I rang the doorbell of Vic's house and he answered the door wearing his 'Great Wall of China' t-shirt from 'The Millenium Booster' pack. James & wife, Jim, Dave and Marcel were all sitting around chatting so with a cold one in hand after the long drive i pulled up a chair. After an hour or so James & Wife (sorry i don't remember her name) and Jim left and we were a trio. At some point we listened to 'Early Water' by Hoenig and Goetshing (sp) which was wonderful. After a few more beers i wandered up to Vics TD room and was totally amazed by his collection (and i didn't see but half of it). After that we returned to the living room where Marcel and Dave began weaving their magic. It was hard to do but at some point we all realised that tomorrow would be a long day so we retired. Sunday, April 9 i was the first one up Sunday morning and began getting ready for this wonderful experience. I made the decision (later regretable) to ride with someone so that i could leave my ageing car to rest thus sparing it a 5 and a half hour drive each way. i say later regretable because i knew in advance if i didn't drive i would have to return Tuesday with Dave because there wouldn't be room in Vic's car Thursday for me with all the equipment. I had 2 weeks off so I had no excuse not to stay the whole time. Anyway Vic's cousin Jan showed up with Vic's mother and everyone began eating and getting ready to leave. We were supposed to hook up with Jim on the way out of town but he called and had to go to work so he said he would join us later at the site. so we set out in a caravan of 3 cars. Vic and I in his BMW, Dave and Marcel in Dave's rental car and Jan alone in his car. I had brought 3 home made tapes to listen to. One was 'Staatsgred West' (sp) with other rare stuff on it. Then another was 'Sorcerer & Cyclone' and then 'Traumzeit' on 2 90 minute tapes. Vic had various rare and unreleased concert tapes so we had an all TD music ride. We saw alot of rural Georgia and it was quite beautiful. One thing that was kind of funny on the trip was we would be on this desolite stretch of highway and all of a sudden would be this huge billboard sign advertising 'Totally Nude' and truck parking available and we wondered what kind of women would be in these places in the middle of nowhere. We also saw a number of police cars with cars pulled over but we were lucky enough to not have a personal encounter with these long arms of the law. all in all it was a long but very nice drive. the anticipation was high when we finally saw the signs for the park and looked forward to checking into our 'cabins'. I had brought my own bedding because i expected a real cabin with screened in windows and a barbecue pit. Was i ever surprised when i saw these luxurious houses with central air conditioning and heat, a fully equipped kitchen with everything from microwaves to coffee makers and all the dishes and pots and pans you could ever need. these places were better then motels. they even had cable tv although we never used them. well the first thing we decided to do was to cook outdoors these beautiful cajun spiced chickens we had bought at the store. i started the grill with way to much charcoal and it burned HOT forever. so finally we had to put the chicken on and needless to say we had blackened chicken that night. then we relaxed to some good homemade music and beer. Marcel had in his rack this thing with all kinds of buttons and knobs called a Virus and with his artful touch it would make some amazing sounds. this first night ended in a blur of overtiredness, roadweariness and a little too much beer (for me at least). April 10, i woke up feeling good at around 8 am. i wondered outside and Roger was outside at the picnic table playing with his digital camera. we had some coffee and all of a sudden 3 deer walked up out of the woods and strolled around the cabin next door where Dave, Jan, Vic and Marcel slept. We enjoyed watching them and Roger got some pictures while all of the sleeping beauties stayed conked out next door. Well around 11 oclock we decided they had slept long enough so we went over to wake them up. all of the doors were locked tight so we started banging on the doors. finally Dave came to the door and let us in. After everyone was up we loaded up the equipment and took it down the road to an outdoor amphitheatre (actually a covered picnic area) and set up. There Dave and Marcel played some incredible stuff. After the music was over we decided to build a dinner appetite by getting into the canoes and going for a ride. The swamp was glorious and calm and alligators and turtles put on quite a show for us tourists in their domain. I could hear TD music in my head while we glided through this ancient beauty. In short it was amazing. We got back and had a grand dinner prepared by Roger of some sort of cajun fare prepared with chicken and venison. Then we began taking the equipment down to the visitors center which had a small stage and a museum and all sorts of really odd pictures on the wall of rural life and settlers that had occupied this place 100 years earlier. We pulled a couch up right in front of the stage and readied ourselves for the show. Roger or Vic set up these 2 wildlife creatures that were stuffed and put Tangerines in their paws and put them in front of the stage. it was a really cool effect. Dave and Marcel were really in their element this night and the concert was magical as you will hear on the cd and see in the video. A really incredible mind journey was had by all. After we had carted everything back to the cabins we tipped a few beers and had a raffle of all the remaining items and we all retired fully at peace. April 11 Well Dave and I get up at 8 am to begin our journey home. We say farewell to our sleeping comrades and head off. Dave's rental car was really a dream and a pleasure to ride in. it was a chrysler of some sort and had a cd player and a cassette. We drove and talked and listened to TD. We stopped for pizza at the exact same exit that we had stopped for lunch at on the way down without realizing it. It was a long drive back to Atlanta but very enjoyable. At Vic's house i threw my stuff into my car and said goodbye to Dave and began my 3 and a half hour drive back to Knoxville. I was beat when i got home and i kicked myself in the butt a hundred times for not taking my car and staying the extra couple of days. All i can say to everyone is this is a MUST for next year. Mark your calenders now or forever regret it. Tom Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22169 My Okefenokee Report (LONG) Marcel Engels Mon 4/24/2000 20 KB 22172 Re: My Okefenokee Report (LONG) Joe Shoults Tue 4/25/2000 2 KB From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Sun Apr 23, 2000 4:04 am Subject: Tyranny of Beauty Interactive Press Kit Floppy Greetings All! If anyone out there is interested I have an extra copy of this floppy disc available for trade or sale.It also comes with a bonus cd which includes tracks from a variety of artists. Rick From: Anil Prasad Date: Sun Apr 23, 2000 7:25 am Subject: Kaleidoscope's Tangerine Dream Hi everyone, I got ripped off at a local record store by a CD billed as Tangerine Dream called 'Kaleidoscope.' The store had a big sticker on it saying 'Early BBC recordings by legendary electronic pioneers.' Turns out of course that it is an album called Tangerine Dream by a group called Kaleidoscope. Arghh.....! Psychedelic folk rock stuff. But I'm curious if there is any relation to TaDream in any way? Did they get the name from Kaleidoscope? Did Froese once sit in the same airport waiting room seat as the lead singer of Kaleidoscope? Someone give me a reason to keep the disc. :-) Cheers Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22167 Re: Kaleidoscope's Tangerine Dream (long post) Joe Shoults Mon 4/24/2000 7 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Sun Apr 23, 2000 9:52 am Subject: Re: KS 50 CD set <>> Nope, I think I heard about those sets around the time I heard about the entire 50 CD package. << These 3 sets along with 5 more discs make up the entire 50 CD collection. You can buy just the last 10 CD's if you have the first 3 sets. Unfortunately 3 of the discs repeat from the Jubilee set and 2 of them replace the ones that got dupilcated in the same set.>> So, subtracting the duplicated material, how many discs are you getting? Sounds like you're saying there's five discs that duplicate other material, hence it's really a 45 CD set. << Four of the last 5 are all unreleased stuff and the last one are all the single tracks that have appeared on other compilation CD's or as singles. Everything in all the sets is UNRELEASED!!!! >> OK, so how would you rate the set? Is the entire 50 CD set essential, or should I just pick up the smaller collections. What little I've heard of Klaus, I like. Would I be better off getting just say, the Jubilee set or whatever? Has there been an exhaustive review of the set anywhere? << This Idea is something I wish Edgar would do.>> Yeah, I wish he'd do it too! If not something quite so extravagent, at least put out, say a 10 CD set of UNTOUCHED AND UNEDITED live material. NP: Wendy Carlos 'Country Lane' (Clockwork Orange soundtrack) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22139 Re: Re: KS 50 CD set Robert Grabowsky Sun 4/23/2000 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun Apr 23, 2000 10:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: KS 50 CD set Chris, Seeing as you own none of the sets there is no duplication. You would have duplication if you owned the Jubillee Edition. I would recommend buying the entire set if you can afford it. I bought the Historic and the Jubilee and was fortunate enough to get the Silver on CDR. Don't believe what some people have said about KS music being 'If you heard one you heard them all'. That is a bunch of CRAP!!! CHeck out www.klaus-schulze.com for more info there are break downs of each set as Silver, Historic, Jubilee and Ultimate Editions. THE HIGHLANDER From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Apr 23, 2000 9:22 am Subject: Discussion Week Schedule (Final) For the benefit of newer list members. I'm reposting the remainder of the Discussion Week Schedule (with a couple of recent additions). Remember, I'm aiming at recording dates rather than release dates wherever possible, so as to better represent the chronological development of TD. However, in the case of modified releases (such as Sohoman), they will appear by release date. Some soundtracks are based on the release date of the film as recording dates are unspecified. Most notably are 1983 -1985 where things were often released out of recording order... All dates taken from 'Mysterious Semblance - A Tangerine Dream Chronology' by Scott Plumer. 30/04/00 - Week 33 - Optical Race (Studio) 07/05/00 - Week 34 - Miracle Mile (Soundtrack) 14/05/00 - Week 35 - Lily On The Beach (Studio) 21/05/00 - Week 36 - Catch Me If You Can (Soundtrack) / Destination Berlin (Soundtrack) / The Man Inside (L'Affaire Walraff) (Soundtrack) 28/05/00 - Week 37 - Melrose (Studio) 04/06/00 - Week 38 - Rockoon (Studio) 11/06/00 - Week 39 - 220 Volt Live (Live) 18/06/00 - Week 40 - Turn Of The Tides (Studio) 25/06/00 - Week 41 - Tyranny Of Beauty (Studio) 02/07/00 - Week 42 - Tangents (Disc 5 Only) (Studio) / Rumpelstiltskin (Soundtrack) 09/07/00 - Week 43 - The Dream Mixes (Studio) 16/07/00 - Week 44 - Zoning (Soundtrack) 23/07/00 - Week 45 - Goblin's Club (Studio) 30/07/00 - Week 46 - Oasis (Soundtrack) 06/08/00 - Week 47 - Tournado (Live) 13/08/00 - Week 48 - Timesquare (Dream Mixes II) (Studio) 20/08/00 - Week 49 - The Keep (Soundtrack) 27/08/00 - Week 50 - Ambient Monkeys (Studio) 03/09/00 - Week 51 - Dream Encores (Live) 10/09/00 - Week 52 - Hollywood Years (Vol. 1) (Studio) / Hollywood Years (Vol.2) (Studio) 17/09/00 - Week 53 - Quinoa (Extended) (Studio) 24/09/00 - Week 54 - Transsiberia (Soundtrack) 01/10/00 - Week 55 - Valentine Wheels (Live) 08/10/00 - Week 56 - Sohoman (Live) 15/10/00 - Week 57 - What A Blast (Soundtrack) 22/10/00 - Week 58 - Mars Polaris (Studio) 29/10/00 - Week 59 - Great Wall Of China (Soundtrack) 05/11/00 - Week 60 - Soundmill Navigator (Live) Regards, Lawry lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Airwave Date: Sun Apr 23, 2000 1:54 pm Subject: Re:Klaus Schulze 50 CD set Chris Richards wrote: > Say, is it just me or has there been little or no > discussion of the Klaus Schulze 50 CD set? It's been discussed earlier. Though more likely as the individual Sets Silver, Historical and Jubilee Editions. But you're right. There's still an aweful lot to say about this set. > wondering what's on it? Is there a lot of > unreleased stuff? Live stuff? What's the deal? The Ultimate Edition 50CD set contains the Silver Edition (10CDs), Historic Edition (10CDs) and Jubilee Edition (25CDs) sets. Plus and additional 5 new CDs. All of it is previously unreleased stuff if you're not counting the before mentioned Editions. Silver Edition contains a couple of awesome Live recordings from 1975, 76 and 77 plus a lot of previously unreleased studio recordings and soundtrack material. Historic Edition contains mostly Live recordings from 1075-81, but a couple of discs has been filled with old historic studio recordings from 1968-70 too. Jubilee Edition is Schulze's 50th birthday box set to his fans. Containing 1947 mins because KS was born in 1947. 25 CDs was done also to mark his 25th anniversary as a solo artist. JE contains a wealth of Live recordings, unreleased studio and soundtrack recordings, plus a couple of brand new CDs not released anywhere else. A fantastic present from KS / KDM to the fans. Ultimate Edition came about to mark the Millennium and because the demand for the previous boxed sets was great enough to warrent a rerelease of the sets. KS added 5 brand new CDs to the set containing new sparkling studio recordings, previously unreleased studio and live recordings plus rare lone tracks. The 5 CDs were put in the 5th box of 10 CDs along with some Jubilee Edition CDs which were changed due to minor errors in JE. The only downside to the 5th box is that if you already own Jubilee Ed. you will be buying 3 CDs identical to the CDs in JE. However the downside quickly fades as you hear the 2 changed CDs and the brilliant very long versions of Georg Trakl (Discover Trakl 28mins) and Friedrich Nitzsche (Crazy Nietzsche 43:12) both originally from X. The Cello, Bologna, From The Attic, Lone Tracks also makes it more than worth the extra money paid for the 3 CDs identical to JE. Ultimate Edition also contains 6 more CDs with minor changes. 4 CDs which has been slightly remastered (no changes to the music) and 2 CDs from Silver Edition with an added 5 mins each. (Make me consider buying the rest of Ultimate Edition ;-)) All CDs has huge playing times. More than 75 mins in average. Most CD passing the 78-79 min mark. So you do get your moneys worth. Not all of it will appeal to everyone. These sets are for KS diehards. Even KS diehards will have a hard time with some of the CDs. For example it took me 5 years to start appreciating Picasso Geht Spazieren (a 2 CD composition 154 mins long) from Silver Edition. > Also, how does one go about getting it in the US? Get in touch with Mario Schoenwaelder on Manikin Records. www.manikin.de Mario is dead reliable. I bought and prepaid all my editions every time from him. All of them were delivered on time. Maybe starting a new thread (Ultimate thread) on the list we could work our way through the Ultimate Edition (or the individual editions) on a similar basic as with TDs released. It wouldn't take us more than about a year to get thru this one KS release ;-))) Okay I admit. I'm a major Schulze fan ;-)) --------------------------------------------------------------- Every artist should feel his way is the only way. __ \ O /_ AirWave, airwave@1... \/ /_ \ http:// (working on it) \ ICQ #65014061 Visit the TaDeam Chat on IRC, SorceryNet, #tadream. Presenting AirWave : WestWorld CD (comming in the near future) --------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Sun Apr 23, 2000 3:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [Livemiles] First of all I would like to dedicate this post to Dell Outland :) Most of you know why... (Dell, I hope you will give us your review of Livemiles!) >I find this CD a bit uninteresting, although I really liked the Dolphin Dance part. There are other live albums much better than this one. I think even 220 V is better than Livemiles. >Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... Where is the Dolphin Dance part on Livemiles? Perhaps you have mistaken Livemiles with something else...?! As for me, I liked Livemiles from the moment I heard it for the first time. (I bought the LP in Germany when I had a tour of Europe in 1988 or 1989 and I could hardly wait until I got home and was able to give it a spin on my turntable). Thanks for Dell and Carlo for providing the wording and translation of the Spanish intro on one of the great TD chats :) The beginning of the album reminds me of Cherokee Lane and Tangram Part2 (all three give a smooth start before the sequences come in). Livemiles is very dynamic. Sounds, patches, rhythms and melodies are abundant on the album. It is great how the volume and the rhythms change. My favourite moments of it are the quick-paced parts: the jazzy track after the piano part in Livemiles 1, the ticking sequences after the slow part, and the last movement of Livemiles 2 (incredible build-up). Lots of TD fans despise of Livemiles because most of it is not recorded live. I am fortunate enough to have live fan recordings of that era (thanks to friends made on this mailing list!) and I can say that the live versions are very similar. I don't care if it was recorded live or not (and that goes for tangentized concerts, too) because what I hear is ALL TD music after all... and I am grateful for each and every opportunity to hear more and more TD... and I judge the music, not the method of making it. np. Tangram (off Tangents3) Pal. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22146 Re: D:Live [Livemiles] Gustavo Jobim Sun 4/23/2000 2 KB 22147 Re: D:Live [Livemiles] Szatmari, Pal Sun 4/23/2000 2 KB 22149 Re: D:Live [Livemiles] Gustavo Jobim Mon 4/24/2000 2 KB From: izyrp@o... Date: Sun Apr 23, 2000 3:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Kaleidoscope's Tangerine Dream There's absolutely no reason for you to keep this album, Anil ! Just send it to me as soon as you can :-)) In case you want my address, just e-mail me privately.But don't expect me to pay for it ! :-D. Just trying to help you to get rid of it :-] Anil Prasad wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I got ripped off at a local record store by a CD > billed as Tangerine Dream called 'Kaleidoscope.' > The store had a big sticker on it saying 'Early > BBC recordings by legendary electronic pioneers.' > > Turns out of course that it is an album > called Tangerine Dream by a group called Kaleidoscope. > > Arghh.....! > > Psychedelic folk rock stuff. But I'm curious if > there is any relation to TaDream in any way? Did > they get the name from Kaleidoscope? Did Froese > once sit in the same airport waiting room seat > as the lead singer of Kaleidoscope? Someone give > me a reason to keep the disc. :-) > > Cheers > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. > Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already > registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/2885/3/_/24785/_/956474432/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Apr 23, 2000 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Discussion Week 32 - 23rd April 2000 >From: 'Lawry Simm' >This week we have a live (heh) album called 'LIVEMILES' to discuss.. >please make your subject read 'D:Live [Livemiles] when posting >comments or reviews. Again, I'm going to try to stay positive on my review of this. Many believe this to be the last 'great' album by Tangerine Dream. I won't completely agree or disagree with that one. ------------------------------- First, the liner notes and printing on this CD simply label it at two ubertracks. The first group of 4 tracks is labeled simply as Part One : Albuquerque. No names are given for the individual tracks. The second group of 3 tracks is labeled Part Two: West Berlin. Again, no names are given for the individual tracks. The only track that has since been given a name is track 4. It is now labeled 'San buena [sic.] Ventura' and is most easily recognized by its progressive scales throughout and stutter-step percussion. (from the Dream Roots compilation) My favorite tracks from Livemiles are: Track 2 - A determined, very heavily paced piece. Electric guitar adds some sincerity to this piece as well. Track 3 - This isn't too far removed from the sequences of Poland. It was, however, the beginning of the overly melodicized TD we have today. I think this is a cool track overall. Track 7 - Just a great track. It's determined, a bit dark, and one of the last times that TD pulled off a 9 minute track that neither shockingly changes direction with no clear intent, nor fails to evolve for the duration. It simply evolves and reinforces what we've heard before, without hitting us over the head with the same things over and over. Also, the bridge between tracks 2 and 3 is the only authentic bridge on the CD (as far as I know). This did not weight this listener's opinion! ------------------------------- There has been a LOT of debate over this album. First, the songs on this album were NEVER played in the sequence as they appear on this CD except tracks 2 and 3, which were always played back-to-back. Second, the first 1:35 of this album is fictional. According to people who attended the Albuquerque show, there was no announcement in Spanish or any other language. And the first notes and fluff strings are added here to hide the fact that the first song on this CD wasn't the first song played. Edgar claims that most of the Albuquerque tracks were in fact played and recorded at the sound check an hour before the concert. Third, attendees of European shows assure us that TD never led off with the track appearing here (track 5), although I don't believe there is any attempt to lead us to believe that it *was* the first track. There is a woman narrating a small introduction, there is audience noise, and then we lead into a track. It could simply mean 'We now join the concert already in progress.' There HAS to be a reason why this album came out the way it did, labeled as it was. I have a notion that there were contractual requirements to turn out some kind of live release (this is my opinion, of course). Much of the material played live in 1986 and 1987 appeared in the 1988 film Miracle Mile, and already on various releases like Underwater Sunlight, Lily on the Beach, etc. so could not be re-released. I believe Edgar and Co. took the 7 or so unreleased pieces of music from their 1986-1987 repertoire and (again I am guessing here), for contractual reasons, repackaged it as a live album, tacked on a Spanish guy (with a very smooth voice, if I may say so) doing an introduction, and then strings and faux vocals to bridge the pieces together. Edgar rarely replies to criticism, but he did have a response to criticism of Livemiles, however I do not have this article. Anyone care to post it? It was in one of the quarterly TD fan mailings. It cannot be said that this stuff was never played live, because the concert recording 'Spherical Harmonics' contains tracks 2 & 3 from it. Can anyone corroborate that all 7 pieces were played at one time or another live during 1986-1987? ------------------------------ It took me a little while to get into Livemiles, but I really like it as an album. I do still giggle when someone refers to this album as 'Studiomiles'. Happy Easter everyone -Morgan n.p. Livemiles and Spherical Harmonics ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22145 Re: Discussion Week 32 - 23rd April 2000 Szatmari, Pal Sun 4/23/2000 2 KB 22150 Re: Discussion Week 32 - 23rd April 2000 Craig Chambers Mon 4/24/2000 2 KB 22159 Re: Discussion Week 32 - 23rd April 2000 DEREK LAING Mon 4/24/2000 3 KB From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Sun Apr 23, 2000 6:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Discussion Week 32 - 23rd April 2000 >It cannot be said that this stuff was never played live, because the concert >recording 'Spherical Harmonics' contains tracks 2 & 3 from it. Can anyone >corroborate that all 7 pieces were played at one time or another live during >1986-1987? >-Morgan The first and second track of Livemiles 2 were played in the Berlin concert at Republic Square 1987: Antarktis and 20th Century Serenades have it. Pal. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Apr 23, 2000 6:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [Livemiles] >First of all I would like to dedicate this post to Dell Outland :) Most of >you know why... (Dell, I hope you will give us your review of Livemiles!) > > >I find this CD a bit uninteresting, although I really liked the Dolphin >Dance part. There are other live albums much better than this one. I think >even 220 V is better than Livemiles. > > >Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... > >Where is the Dolphin Dance part on Livemiles? >Perhaps you have mistaken Livemiles with something else...?! There is a Dolphin Dance part in Livemiles, it's on the West Berlin Concert. I don't remember exactly where it is. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Sun Apr 23, 2000 6:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [Livemiles] >There is a Dolphin Dance part in Livemiles, it's on the West Berlin Concert. I don't remember exactly where it is. >Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... I don't think so. While Dolphin Dance was played during the Berlin concert (it is after the piano solo on Antarktis), it was not included in Livemiles... although the last track resembles DD a bit. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22149 Re: D:Live [Livemiles] Gustavo Jobim Mon 4/24/2000 2 KB From: 'K.E' Date: Sun Apr 23, 2000 11:09 pm Subject: Musician list Hi all You might add me/us to the musicians list I am also on the list - I am one half of Kenton Files The other half is Tony Andersen. Our homepage can be found on; http://users.cybercity.dk/~bkb2467/welcome.htm We are also working with Jens Peschke as Navigator; www.navigator.xodox.dk all the best Kent > Jan Aunsholt (PERGAMON) Goa / Trance > > my homepage http://hjem.get2net.dk/pergamon (hi Jan! just had a visit to your homepage; I see that you are also on Hypnotic!) From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 12:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [Livemiles] >I don't think so. While Dolphin Dance was played during the Berlin concert >(it is after the piano solo on Antarktis), it was not included in >Livemiles... although the last track resembles DD a bit. It may not be exactly Dolphin Dance, but it's based on it. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 2:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Discussion Week 32 - 23rd April 2000 > reasons, repackaged it as a live album, tacked on a Spanish guy (with a very > smooth voice, if I may say so) doing an introduction, I always thought it kinda odd that the guys was speaking Spanish when Albuqerque (sp??) N.M. is an American city...now, there may be a majority of people that live there that do indeed speak spanish, but I highly doubt they would introduce a 'european' band that is non-latino centric in that way....Santana, yeah maybe...TD, nah! From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 4:06 am Subject: back to the future (an old post ) THis is a post from Sept 98 on the old list...Anyone care to see what has come to pass yet? From: tadream@c... (tadream mailing list) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 02:10:57 GMT Subject: Electrobeats In Progress!!! Lots of Info!!! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@c... that says: 'unsubscribe tadream' and 'unsubscribe tadream-digest' in the message body. You MUST do this from the address you subscribed with. The List owner does not read this list. Complaining here is useless. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Really-From: hkraft@c... (Hilmar Kraft) Hi, am just listening to the Electrobeats radio show. It is 3:00am, now halfway into the show. Music-wise it sounds they concentrate mostly on Dream Dice material and play no unreleased music, but there was a hint at something that might come up in the final hour. However, they already played three rare tracks: 'Ca va ca marche ca ira encore' from the DD bonus disc, and a 2:30 track from the Sony Center CD. And 'Heritage Survical' from The Keep. They did give away some prizes, 1(!) Sony CD, one or more Dream Dices and one or more TDI The Keep. They do answer a lot(!) of questions on the show. So far some 30 or 40 questions have been answered. Steve Jenkins, Mike Jean, Dennis Nighbur and Jeffrey Au-Yeung were some of the people from this list who got their questions answered! And here are the Highlights: - - Sidney 82 will be released '1 to 1' as performed (no re-recording, only sound cleanup) - - The Keep is delayed because 'Virgin has misplaced their contractual agreement with Paramount' (Edgar agreed that this sounds unbeliavable but says these things can and do happen). - - TD are working on new music for a Discovery Channel documentary about The collapsing of buildings - - TD are talking to Hollywood studios again about new soundtrack work! - - Edgar explained why many CDs contain bonus material which force fans to buy 2 editions. Reason is (true not just for TD) that a lot of records are first released in one continent (say US). European record distributors are often afraid that too many fans have already imported their copies from the US and so ask to make the European version different and distinguishable. - - TD will/cannot release the Sony CD music, but Sony will offer a CD-ROM later. TD expects to be asked to contribute the full version of the score which is actually 32 minutes long (an 18 minutes version was performed) - - Lions Share, now being recorded, will be 'a bit more experimental again'. Expected to be released Spring 99. - - TDI will also release non-TD artists and plans a first release for Vicky McClure (Rose Of Babylon) for next year. - - Period of Hollywood Years Vol 1&2 is material from 1988 to 1997. It is deliberate that the names of the movies are not mentioned as there is the potential for copyright problems. - - A Hollwood Vol 3 with pre-1988 material is planned for the next box set!! Yes, indeed...a new box set is in planning which will again include 12 CDs just as Dream Dice!!! - - Mandala is also going to be part of the next box. - - A book is in planning for next year which will include art and information about TD to 'set the record straight on some misinformation that has been circulating...' - - Lhasa, the full cycle (6 segments) will be released next year on a CD. - - And here a big suprise: Prompted by a question, Edgar used the opportunity to make a 'late night confession'. He stated that over the entire existance of Tangerine Dream from the beginning on, there was not one single TD member that left the band completely voluntary. Edgar said that all of them were more or less asked to leave (I will get the exact wording translated later). - - The Berlin Reichstag concert (81?) is expected to be released next year once Edgar gets the agreement with the ex members worked out. - - In fact, Edgar expects even more live material from the Schmoelling era to be released. Well, I am curious about the rest of the show...will keep you all updated! Hilmar Regards, Michael A. Jean Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 5:06 am Subject: D:Studiomiles Greetings all- This is an excerpt from the Live FAQ that I posted waaaaaaaaaaaaay back in Jan 97 on the old list. I've added a little more info to it that I omitted the first time. ++++++++++++++++ _LIVEMILES_- More like _Studiomiles_! I know what the liner notes say. I know what the Official Homepage says. I know what Edgar says. But I also know that what my own ears are telling me is quite a different thing! Having been present at the Alberquerque concert, and in possesion of a fantape of said show, I can unequivocately state with absolute accuracy that *not*one*single*bit* of _Livemiles_: 'Alberquerque' was performed at that concert! That includes the 'intro'! It has *got* to be a studio session! Either that or the soundcheck was *really* something! If you have the _Sonambulistic Imagery_ boot, then you essentially know the entire tour program, including the Alberquerque show. The only real differences were in the guitar solos. Although for some dates, 'Dominion' replaced 'Bois de Boulogne' and in Toronto there was an additional guitar encore to make up for the power interruption during the gig. As for 'Livemiles: Berlin', it, too, is not what it seems. This was a special concert contracted by the City of Berlin for the 750th anniversary celebration, which holds the performance rights to this concert. The concert was performed on Aug. 1, '87, and eventually broadcast on Oct. 22 that same year, after some _slight_ studio work was done to it. In order to release it for _Livemiles_, however, the band had to completely reperform the material chosen for the CD, due to the contract with the city. The opening track, 'Caspian Sea', is pretty faithful to the concert version, with just some minor voiceing changes, and ditto the second track, 'Sunnyvale' (though the tempo for both is faster than was originally played.) However, the last track, 'Dolphin Dance', is a totally different version of what was performed. The version as played in the concert was the same version as the '86 UK/US Tours. This entire concert can be found on the boots _Antarktis_/_20th Century Serenades_ in absolutely great quality. ++++++++++++++++++ FYI, the song titles indicated for the Berlin track are official. Although there also appears to be a *second* title for the second track: 'Velvet Autumn'. The following is info from Mark Schaffer and John Burek (with a [very] little hand from me!): In the same radio show (Schwingungen 2/23/89) that named Samba Motel, the latter 4 - 5 minutes of this track was played and called Sunnyvale. However, the radio announcer's track list for the original '87 broadcast gives the track between Dolphin Dance and Smile as Velvet Autumn! It's possible that the band supplied the radio station with a skeleton track list, and that subsequently Edgar gave the tracks new names when he went on the radio show on WDR two years later (thereby showing that he had forgotten that some of the tracks already had names). The '88 shows did feature _Livemiles_:'Alberquerque' pts. 2 & 3, so at least it can be said that *some* of the material was played live...eventually! goozer From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 9:14 am Subject: Mars Polaris Well I just got around to picking up M.P. today and am glad to report that it's working for a die-hard old-school TD fan.... At this point I'd place it near Optical Race, or Underwater Sunlight two favorite latter day TD albums.... Not real sure what 'The Martian Seal' crap is all about, but ehhh..... The album seems closer to pop styles than the visionary '70's work but there's a certain magic to it that really works for me... I really like the odd chord progression in cut 3 Pilots of the Ether belt... very daring and unexpected..... I hope the next studio album is like this.... Poly Paul Ellis / Secret Fire Music Synthhtnys@a... New solo album: Appears to Vanish Now available @ www.neuharm.demon.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 24924 Mars Polaris Frank Arellano Thu 11/9/2000 2 KB 24925 Re: Mars Polaris Jared White Thu 11/9/2000 2 KB 24926 Re: Mars Polaris Feldon Feldon Thu 11/9/2000 5 KB 24927 Re: Mars Polaris Jared White Thu 11/9/2000 4 KB 24935 Re: Mars Polaris Feldon Feldon Thu 11/9/2000 4 KB 24963 Re: Mars Polaris PENFOLD Fri 11/10/2000 2 KB 24937 Re: Mars Polaris Joe Shoults Thu 11/9/2000 2 KB 24938 Re: Mars Polaris quarlie@a... Thu 11/9/2000 2 KB 24941 Re: Mars Polaris Frank Arellano Thu 11/9/2000 3 KB From: aslanfan1@a... Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 3:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 477 I grew in Albuquerque, so I can speak to this. And I was at this show that livemiles claims to be from. There was no announcer at the show. Most people speak English and some Spanish in Albuquerque. but English is the language outside the home. The concert was amazing, but there's a lot of music missing from that show. Haslinger's solo piano was wonderful. Haslinger and Froese did a dueling guitar thing that was perhaps the coolest live TD moment I've seen (it's not on the cd). All in all, I loved the concert and was disappointed to find when I bough the CD that a lot of the music was, and remains, absent. I spoke to Paul Haslinger once about this and he mumbled something about legal issues. In a message dated 4/24/00 2:13:34 AM, tadream@egroups.com writes: << I always thought it kinda odd that the guys was speaking Spanish when Albuquerque (sp??) N.M. is an American city...now, there may be a majority of people that live there that do indeed speak spanish, but I highly doubt they would introduce a 'european' band that is non-latino centric in that way....Santana, yeah maybe...TD, nah! >> From: 'Todd Tornow' Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 4:43 pm Subject: Easter: Hope Everyone Had a Good One! Hope everyone and their family had a good Easter! Todd and Julie Tornow and Family ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Harri Ikonen' Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 5:14 pm Subject: Re: D:Live [Livemiles] *lurk mode off* Here are some of my thoughts regarding Livemiles: Jared writes: > It's also an admirable swan song for Christopher Franke, who left the > band right after Livemiles' release. In an interview Franke said that right after the West Berlin concert, Edgar came to him with an idea of doing more soundtrack work, but he wanted to take some time off. As that didn't fit Edgar's plans, Franke decided to leave TD. If that's true, that'd place the time of his departure in August '87. Now, 'Livemiles' was released in early '88 (if I remember correctly) and that raises an interesting question: If Part 1 is all studio work and not a soundcheck as Edgar claims, could it be new Froese/Haslinger material? The same question applies to the last third of Part 2, which partly consists of old themes and soundtrack material, but is otherwise new. goozer writes: > In the same radio show (Schwingungen 2/23/89) that named Samba Motel, > the latter 4 - 5 minutes of this track was played and called Sunnyvale. > However, the radio announcer's track list for the original '87 broadcast > gives the track between Dolphin Dance and Smile as Velvet Autumn! I'm in favor for the name 'Sunnyvale', because track names like 'San Buena Ventura' and 'Caspian Sea' refer to actual places whereas 'Velvet Autumn' just describes a nice-looking time of the year. Just IMHO, your mileage may vary. *lurk mode on* Regards, Harri From: mengels@w... Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 7:00 pm Subject: impressions I will post my impressions within a few days when I've settled down a bit over here. For now I can only say that it was a great trip which I'm very glad I didn't miss! Marcel Email :mengels@w... Homepage:http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels (still) Swheeessow...it's the jellyfish sound :-) From: mengels@w... Date: Sat Apr 22, 2000 4:43 pm Subject: changed email address Hi, Just wanted to let you know that I've changed ISP and have an active new address which is: mengels@w... The older one (fsp@w...) will probably work for a few days but it will die eventually. Also my home-page will be transferred to a new place which will be at: http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels (this one isn't active yet, but will soon be). Sorry if you may have gotten this email more than once. Marcel (finally on cable and no more phone costs) From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 6:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Discussion Week 32 - 23rd April 2000 ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon To: Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Discussion Week 32 - 23rd April 2000 > First, the liner notes and printing on this CD simply label it at two > ubertracks. > > The first group of 4 tracks is labeled simply as Part One : Albuquerque. No > names are given for the individual tracks. > > The second group of 3 tracks is labeled Part Two: West Berlin. Again, no > names are given for the individual tracks. > -Morgan > n.p. Livemiles and Spherical Harmonics Hi Morgan Can you or anyone else on the list please give the rough time indexes for the individual tracks on 'Livemiles' Parts One & Two. Thanks Derek ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll > find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at: > http://click.egroups.com/1/3139/3/_/24785/_/956509434/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 6:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Livemiles time indexes DEREK LAING wrote: > > Can you or anyone else on the list please give the rough time indexes for > the individual tracks on 'Livemiles' Parts One & Two. > Thanks According to my 8+ years old CD player: 1.1 - 00:00 1.2 - 14:20 1.3 - 19:41 1.4 - 24:52 2.1 - 00:00 2.2 - 08:45 2.3 - 17:53 Antonio Nunes np: Livemiles Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22165 Re: Livemiles time indexes DEREK LAING Mon 4/24/2000 3 KB 22166 Re: Livemiles time indexes Feldon Feldon Mon 4/24/2000 2 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 7:18 pm Subject: re.D:[Livemiles] After what I've just read is it live or is not that is the question. Anyway I will comment on it I think it's a patchy affair part one has plenty promising sections that fail to live up to expectations that do not live up to the quality of Logos or Poland.I have just played it forthe first time in ages and part one lacks real quality. Part two is a differnt story the opening 8 minutes I have always loved from my first airing of it a superb opening too any concert if it was and the last 12 minutes of what I'm sure is a Dolphin Dance mix of some kind is superb. Just to sum up as it marked a end of a era not a bad CD for Chris to leave us with. Gary PS.Forgive if this review is naff it's my first. From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Apr 23, 2000 1:21 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] members/musicianslist > There has been some new entry's om the list, here they are:: > I can twist some knobs and make some noise too. :-) Marcel Email :mengels@w... Homepage :http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels From: Steven Feldman Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 1:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Nightcrawlers On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:22:09 +0200 Jens Peschke said: >> Is any of their stuff still in print? > >The 2 CD sampler 'traveling backwards', released 1997 on the German >Manikin label http://www.manikin.de should still be available. It is much more than a sampler: it contains the entirety of all three of their albums!!! For more info, go to http://members.spree.com/molasar/tadream/night/night2.html >It contains music from 83-87. > >State sides http://www.eurock.com is the Manikin distributer. > >Best Regards > >Jens -- Steven Feldman From: Steven Feldman Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 4:03 pm Subject: 'Dream Remixes' gay & tangerine dream JCREW demicup bikini top Hee hee, I couldn't resist. Check out these two eBAY auctions: 1 Cent CD TANGERINE DREAM 'Dream Remixes' gay tangerine dream JCREW demicup bikini top 10/M -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'As my wife says best, 'How many fricking TD CDs do you need? You can't possibly listen to them all!' Little does she know I do...' -- message posted to tadream by AslanFan1@a... on Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:22:54 EDT From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 8:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Livemiles time indexes Thanks Antonio Keep on dreaming Derek - NP- 'Livemiles'[with renewed interest] ----- Original Message ----- From: Antonio Nunes To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Livemiles time indexes > > > DEREK LAING wrote: > > > > Can you or anyone else on the list please give the rough time indexes for > > the individual tracks on 'Livemiles' Parts One & Two. > > Thanks > > > According to my 8+ years old CD player: > > 1.1 - 00:00 > 1.2 - 14:20 > 1.3 - 19:41 > 1.4 - 24:52 > > 2.1 - 00:00 > 2.2 - 08:45 > 2.3 - 17:53 > > Antonio Nunes > > np: Livemiles > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Whatever happened to the class clown? Find out at Classmates.com, > your online high school class reunion. With 4.4 million alumni > already registered, there's a good chance you'll find him here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/3140/3/_/24785/_/956602686/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Livemiles time indexes >From: 'DEREK LAING' > > According to my 8+ years old CD player, the track times for Livemiles >are: > > > > 1.1 - 00:00 > > 1.2 - 14:20 > > 1.3 - 19:41 > > 1.4 - 24:52 > > > > 2.1 - 00:00 > > 2.2 - 08:45 > > 2.3 - 17:53 > > > > Antonio Nunes Obviously there are two pressings. I have the one with 7 individual tracks. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 9:35 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Kaleidoscope's Tangerine Dream (long post) ========================= > -----Original Message----- > From: Anil Prasad [mailto:aprasad@i...] > Hi everyone, > > I got ripped off at a local record store by a CD > billed as Tangerine Dream called 'Kaleidoscope.' > The store had a big sticker on it saying 'Early > BBC recordings by legendary electronic pioneers.' > > Turns out of course that it is an album > called Tangerine Dream by a group called Kaleidoscope. Haha! Oops, sorry to laugh. If the store went through the trouble to print up stickers, you gotta wonder about their intentions. Kaleidoscope was the name of a psychedelic rock group in 1967, and they released an album called 'Tangerine Dream'. I've never heard the music myself; is it any good? This topic has come up before. I contacted the lead person from that group, Peter Daltrey, after we started discussing it on that tadream list. The text of Peter's response follows, as portions of the original tadream discussion thread. -Joe ---------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Lars Jones [mailto:ljones@f...] > Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 1:52 AM > To: joes@c... > Cc: 105411.3107@c... > Subject: kaleidoscope > > > HI Joe > Noticed your tadream post with more than passing interest. I've > been doing > off-and-on research into the name 'tangerine dream' for quite > some time and > wondered if you have anything else from Peter that might be of any (even > indirect help -- like his e-mail address)... According to my > research with > both labels' archives, Kaleidoscope was in a UK studio recording the album > 'tangerine dream' when edgar (in berlin with a cohort from the ones) was > forming the group tangerine dream... it is, indeed, a coincidence although > my other research points elsewhere... there were other > coincidental uses of > the phrase 'tangerine dream' ... bits and pieces of this stuff appear in > the digest over the last 13 months or so.... > > Lars Really-From: 'Joe Shoults' Hey Lars- Below is the entire e-mail from Peter Daltrey, containing my original e-mail to him and his response. His e-mail is chelsea@c... It seems to me (just an impression) that Edgar gets a little glee from keeping the TD name origins a secret; after all, I've never seen a straight answer to that question. I don't know if it is because he is just a jokester kind of guy (e.g. throwing keyboards out the window to test them), or he smugly views the question as irrelevant or he just doesn't remember. But as a fan, and a mild trivia buff, I am curious. I have also seen references on this list to some sort of grand scheme to TD's 'mission' over the years- as if Edgar had this vision in 1967 that he wanted to fulfill, and has been accomplishing it gradually through TD's albums. (Remember the thread about the album names having a sequential significance?) I think (again, this is just an impression) that if Ed really said this, he could be 'toying' with the fans. It would be like Leonard Nimoy planting the seed of a rumor at a Star Trek convention that there was some sort of 'Star Trek secret handshake'...then he laughs at how pitiful the lives of those fans must be to hinge on his every word. I have to admit it would be tempting- can you imagine how funny it would be to see a whole thread of discussions describing how Star Trek nerds... er... fans spent hours and hours poring over videotape and listserves to debate WHICH handshake was the 'secret' one? Wait a minute... that sounds kinda like this list ;-) Either way, please let me know what you've found out- before I lose too much sleep over this! -Joe ---------------------- on 11 Jan 99, Joe Shoults wrote... > >Hi Peter- >Thank you for putting your info about your old group, Kaleidoscope, on the >http://home.clara.net/chelsea/start.htm website. I have not finished >reading it yet, but it is interesting. I was led there by a discussion from >an e-mail listserve that pertains to a group named *Tangerine Dream*. > >The story of the origins of Tangerine Dream goes back to 1967, when the >founder, Edgar Froese, formed an avant garde musical group as a way of >stretching his artistic legs. He had formerly studied painting and >sculpture under Salvador Dali. Tangerine Dream is still making music today. > Dear Joe, Thanks for your mail. Yes, I`ve heard all about the group of the TD name, but have never heard their music. I really can`t remember where I got the name from for our first album. It just came to me out of the Sixties consciousness: the colours, the dreams of the time, the lyrics of other songs, the style of writing at that time... But mighty wierd that we should come up with the same combination of two words as someone else in the world at that exact time! >Outside of any Jungian-Collective-Unconscious-type of theory, I think it is >just too much of a coincidence that this name appeared as your album title >and his band within the same year. Where did you get the inspiration for >the title? Do you know about Tangerine Dream the group? Do you know Edgar? It is a coincidence! > >Thanks again for contributing (very thoroughly, I might add- I'm impressed!) >your slice of Rock and Roll's history. Thanks for that. I really enjoyed writing the band`s history and I`m pleased that so many people are interested Cheers, PD (Peter Daltrey) PS: I couldn`t decode your attachment. What was it? > >Sincerely, >Joe Shoults >mailto:training@c... >Cleveland, Ohio, USA +++ end kaleidoscope post +++ From: Tomas Rydqvist Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 10:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] FW: Coefficient Hi jim its me again , do you think you can help me out with the cover to the coefficient of aural expansion part 1 i prefere thó get the pics rather large , but its up to you , Pleas help me Totta Jim Moore wrote: > I have (1), and mine *isn't* a CD-R. > > - jim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@c...] > > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 5:19 PM > > To: tadream@egroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] FW: Coefficient > > > > > > For Tomas: > > Which is original Coefficient cover? > > > > http://www.tadream.net/images/coeff2.jpg > > http://www.tadream.net/images/coeff1.jpg > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tomas Rydqvist [mailto:tomas.rydqvist@g...] > > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 4:55 PM > > To: joes@c... > > Subject: Coefficient > > > > > > Hi > > > > I dont get contact with onelist.com so i send the pics to you intead, i > > hope its ok. > > Which one is the original ?? > > A or B > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get your money connected @ OnMoney.com - the first Web site that lets > > you see and manage all of your finances all in one place. > > http://click.egroups.com/1/3012/3/_/24785/_/956006004/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Win $1000 this Friday! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2860/3/_/24785/_/956010793/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 11:34 pm Subject: My Okefenokee Report (LONG) Okay here's my little report of the Okefenokee trip. Again, I'm not a writer/reviewer. :-) Thursday, April 6 Yesterday I was packing my equipment in a nice flightcase I bought from someone for $25,-. Thursday I went to the airport. My flight would be from Amsterdam to Brussels and then to Atlanta. I was really afraid my equipment would arrive safely so I went to customs to get some sort of receipt (I had written down all the equipment I took to Atlanta) but they wouldn't sign it. I was really angry about this but they assured me it was no problem to get it back again to Holland (yeah sure!). Anyway, the Brussels flight only took about 30 minutes and the landing was quite heavy. Never experienced such a rough landing before but we got there safely :-). Had a few minutes to hop on the Atlanta plane and I was off. The next 8 hours or so was nothing but water and clouds and after a while I saw land again. At the Atlanta airport I searched for my flightcase and was happy to see it was sitting there waiting for me. Few minutes later I met Vic and we drove off to his place. It was very nice weather and Vic had taken off the 'roof' of his BMW convertible. While driving down the highway we heard some noises behind us and we saw the upper part of the flightcase coming off and flew on the highway. Hopefully it didn't land on someone car but some of them certainly drove over it (incl. some horn blows :-)). Anyway, we couldn't get it back and I thought some wood would do fine for the top. At his home I met his son Patrick. We ate something and Friday, 7 April Okay, this was the day to do some shopping. We had to get a simple keyboard (as long as there was midi on it) and a voltage converter. Drove around Atlanta and we got the keyboard at Guitar Centre, which was quite okay (at least thats what the salesman told haha). Later we found a very nice converter at a hispanic electronic store. It could do different kind of convertions and was up to 500 Watt. More then enough to drive my gear :-). Back at Vic's place, after a nice dinner (which were all great), we connected the gear and I could test if the synths hadn't died on the plane. Saturday, 8 April This day I/we met some other people like Dave, James Owens/wife, Tom George and Jim Moore (wasn't Jan already there Vic?). We all chatted about music and other things. We even had the SwampPak raffle. We all got some nice things from Vic (thanks!) and after that Dave and I played some music, which turned out to be a mini concert in Vic's livingroom. It is recorded and some of it will probably reach the CDR. (and no it won't be tangentized :-)). Sunday, 9 April Okay, this was the day we all drove to Okefenokee. What a trip it was...it was a good 5 1/2 hours drive from Atlanta to Okefenokee, something I'm not very used to in this little country. But it was well worth it. We stopped at Wendy's to have some snacks. On the way (I was driving with Dave who rented a very nice Oldsmobile) we listened to the music we recorded the day before and some Led Zeppelin. The radio played country most of the time so we thought it would be better to play some other music :-). We stopped in Valdosta to do some final shopping before going into no mans land. Hamburgers, steaks, chicken, alcohol...couldn't wait to get to Okefenokee! :-) As we drove closer and closer the landscape certainly changed. Trees were different, we even saw some first signs of water/swamp. It was a good 17 miles drive from the last village (a cafee and a tankstation) to Okefenokee so I felt really like leaving earth. Finally arrived at Okefenokee and we went to the cottages. Now before leaving to Okefenokee I had some ideas about cottages, those ideas were that they were small, warm and not much comfort but these cottages had everything you could have dreamed of. A full blown kitchen with fridge, microwave etc. a very nice and clean bathroom and even a tv. Now at such a cottage I could stay/enjoy myself for a few days I/we thought. After some barbequed chicken (I like bbq!) we walked a bit around the parc and see the possibilities about where to play etc. In the evening we connected the gear and played some music. Went to sleep at 3AM (hmm it was 3 AM every night I guess :-)). Monday, 10 April Some of us (including me) woke up around 11AM. I didn't had my watch with me so I looked at Dave's one which was set at Arizona time (3 hours later), so I thought it would still be 8AM. :-) I heard that a few deers were at the cottages and that Roger made some nice pictures of them. Would sure have loved to see the deers there. (but I have the pics...thanks!) For breakfest we put some hamburgers on the bbq and it probably smelled really nice because a large bird was circuling(?) it. While eating we heard this very low groaning in the background and noticed that it was an alligator which wasn't very far away from our cottage. Unluckily (or maybe luckily) we didn't see him or heard him again. Also got some nice pics of woodpeckers. In the afternoon we decided it was a good time to do some outdoor music, as it was to warm to do anything else. We set up the gear at some sort of picknick place and after a short pre-concert from Jan we started playing some music. It went really great. As I was playing I was watching around to see the trees and squirrels and that gave me a strange but good feeling. (it was my first outdoor thing I did). Most of it was recorded on video, but sadly, as we found out later, not on tape...but then again you had to be there. :-) Sadly after the concert Jan had to leave and the rest of us went for a canoe trip in the swamps. Roger and Tom had their own canoe and Vic, Dave and me got in another canoe. At first we almost fell out of the canoe (or at least it felt like it) but after a while we got the hang of it. We encountered our first alligator already after a few seconds just swimming next/in front of us...thats a very weird experience. Later on a bigger 'river' you could see lots of gators, turtles and birds which was very nice. And those trees were really strange, I've never seen cypress trees etc (okay on pics) but seeing them in real life is something else. On our way back there was an gator sunshining on the 'shore'. Roger got quite close to it and we all got some great pics of it. At the evening we had some dinner made by Tom and Roger (salad was courtesy of Vic :-))...jambalaya with some meat etc which was very nice (as we found out later on :-)). Packed the equipment in Rogers jeep and drove to the museum where we would play that night. By the time we got there I was noticing the jambalaya was somehow 'working' on me so I was glad there was a toilet over there haha. The museum was a very nice setting for the concert with all kinds of animals sitting around the little stage. After some soundchecking we were ready to play. The lights were out and all we could see were the lights from our equipment and vaguely these animals which had definitely inspired me (and I think Dave as well). Together with the experiences from the swamp that afternoon we played a imo very atmospheric and dark piece which we were very pleased with. Everything we did this trip was played live (apart from some sequences which I even programmed just a few minutes before the concert :-)). This track will be the main title for the CDR. While putting the gear back into the jeep we noticed some other people had 'problems' with the jambalaya too but it was a great laugh! Back at the cottage we had a raffle of various music and that was also a great time (everything was great actually). Tuesday, 11 April Sadly Tom and Dave had to leave this day early, so it was me, Vic and Roger that were left. This time we got ourselves a motorboat because we wanted to go further into the swamp and Vic took control as the captain in the first part of the trip. First place we got was Billy's Island which had some very nice places (swamp pics). We even saw an old cemetery and some sort of old rusted vehicle. We wanted to go further but after a while we weren't exactly 'on the pad' anymore so we got back to the boat and went further into the swamp. Man, you could wander around these swamp for hours and hours and see all kinds of new things. We saw lots of gator, turtles, deers and birds, it was really a different world. On the way back I took control as captain of the boat, which probably wasn't a very good idea because we bumped to some trees. Later we found out that the propeller was full of grass (hey, I've got to save myself here Vic :-)). Back at the cottage we had some nice dinner and suddenly Barbara the manager comes in and asked if we were interested in a evening/night tour in the swamp. Of course we were! It's a good thing she didn't see all the beer cans on the floor (hmmm she saw it but didn't really say anything about it :-)). A tour around the swamp at night is really something else. We all had lantarns with us so we could shine at the shores were most of the gators were. Boy there were more orange eyes then I would have thought or then I saw in the afternoon. And then those frog-sounds. Really metallic and sometimes a big bullfrog made some big noises which sounded like a pig or someone who had a bit too much coca cola :-) Back at the cottage we already made some first shots at the cover of the CDR and had another 'raffle'...Roger was explaining some TD tricks and techniques which were really interested! Some of those techniques involved the now famous Jellyfish Sting sound :-) Wednesday, 12 April Today Roger left around noon and Vic and I walked around the parc a little bit. After that we wanted to go for some food at the nearest town (17 miles) and we were ready to start the car but it didn't start! We went to the office and a ranger (incl. the big car and sunglasses) helped us on our way. We eat at the Suwannee cafe which was really southern. The way these people talk is really different then northern people and it was also very religeous. We decided to tour around a little bit but as you may have guessed the car didn't start again. We got some help from someone from a tankstation and again we were on our way. We decided to drive a little bit longer this time so that the battery could charge. We drove to Jasper, Florida and back. We reconned the battery was now okay and before driving back to Okefenokee we stopped by a very nice creek from which I had to take a picture. Back at the cottage we eat most of the food which was left and relaxed a bit and talked about the days we had at this trip. I tried to recreate some of the frog sounds on my synths which let to some very interested sequence sounds and from thereon I was inspired to do some more music. At first I thought it wasn't really interested to record it but thanks to Vic we did record it and now appears as 'Cottage No.3' on the CDR. Thursday, 13 April We woke up quite early today because we wanted to leave early. We ate most of the fruit and other things and packed the car with the gear. And as may have guessed again...the car wouldn't start. I was feeling quite strong that morning so we pushed the car and within a few seconds it started. While driving out of Okefenokee we saw a little black bear crossing the road and that was really weird to see. Too bad I was too late for a picture. We stopped for some gas and some food and (after a push start) we were ready for the trip to Atlanta. We played probably all of the music that was played till then and already decided a little bit which was good for the CDR and which wasn't. When back I met Vic's wife Natascha and we had some nice dinner. Also today I rang a few air-companies because I wanted to go to New York on Saturday. I got a ticket at a nice price. Friday, 14 April Vic had to go to work and I went with Natascha for some shopping. I wanted to buy a Levi's pants and maybe something else. (they are much more expensive over here). We drove around Atlanta a bit and got to a large mall and I got the stuff I wanted, including a t-shirt for jogging. Nothing really exciting but nice. :-) After dinner Vic and I went to some nice bars and the movies and had a couple of drinks... Saturday, 15 April Today we drove to the airport for my New York trip. Vic mother also left for home at Los Angeles. After standing at the wrong company (sorry! :-)) I was off for New York. The flight was about 2.15 hours and I landed at the Newark airport. Got on the bus to get to downtown Manhattan. Wow, this was certainly very different then the swamp! Sometimes it even reminded me of some parts of Amsterdam, but of course it was bigger! I stopped at the World Trade Centre and was amazed by all these big buildings. I phoned Vic to tell him I arrived safely and that I was now looking around for a hotel. I wandered around Manhattan all afternoon and also a large part of the evening to see if there was room left...but they were all booked! :-( Yeah, I could get a room for $250,- but thats insane. Thats almost the price of my ticket to Atlanta! It was starting to rain that evening and wasn't really happy I couldn't find a room. After some phonecalls from some helpfull people at a hotel I got a room at the Armada Hotel which was near the JFK airport. (I should have gotten a room near the Newark airport of course but I was happy there was one available!). So I took it and got there some time later. Very nice room, with kingsize bed, airco, tv, phone, bathroom etc so it was okay I guess (better be for $139,-/night and I was staying 3 nights!!!). Sunday, 16 April I woke up quite late actually but that was because I walked for a very long time the evening before. After a shower and a call my girlfriend and parents I was off to Manhattan. There was a nice free bus service to the airport and subway station and at the subway station you can drive all around New York for just $1.50. Thats something I would like to see over here...over here it's: more distance - more money. Anyway, thankfully I saved some money with this. Arriving at Manhattan I wandered around Broadway, 5th Avenue, Time Square etc etc. Not knowing what all these streets and places are actually, but imo thats part of the fun. Went to various places like Central Parc, Museum of Modern Arts, Time Square, you just name it. Also went to some CD shops but I couldn't find anything interested, but I bought the new Orbit CD. Prices of CDs are also quite a bit lower then in the Netherlands. (what is wrong with the prices in our country???). Had some nice steaks and chicken for dinner at Broadway and thought it was time to get back to the hotel. Got off the wrong station (because they were working on the subway rails) and there I was in the middle of Brooklyn...had absolutely no idea where I was! Thankfully a bus to JFK airport did arrive some time later and found my way back to the hotel. Had some beers at the bar and went to bed. Monday, 17 April Yesterday I decided to see the Brooklyn Bridge, the Statue of Liberty and some other things but it was very bad weather and didn't feel like going to the statue with this weather. I got to Manhattan again and this time I wandered around at Soho and China- Town which I found very interested actually. There were some nice restaurants and CD shops (more interesting then those around Time Square). Although they were interesting CD shops I couldn't find rare items or whatsoever so I thought it would be a nice thing to go to the Brooklyn Bridge. Near the bridge there is a nice small docking/mall or something like that where you have some restaurants which had some nice views at the brigde. (which was very nice to see especially with the bad weather). This time I got back at the hotel a bit earlier and had some dinner and beers over there. I also had to get up early to catch my plane. Tuesday, 18 April Got up, had a shower and drove with a taxi to the other airport. (seeing the price of the ride I definitely take a hotel near the airport next time!! :-) But what the heck, I'm here now and I already could stay at Vic's place etc...) Flew back to Atlanta and met Vic again at the airport. He had a rough day at work and I was also a bit tired from New York and the flight so we decided to eat some delicious wings at Hooters. :-) We relaxed and listened to some music that evening. Wednesday, 19 April My last day in America. My flight was at 21.55 so I had the full day left to do some packing, transfering the tapes to CDR. Natascha and I also went to Home Depot to get some wood and tape for the flightcase. It fitted very nicely and did the job very good! I was able to transfer all of the material to CDR and from this CDR there will be some sort of selection which will get to the final CDR. Don't worry about leaving off some things because we will release the full concerts and sessions we did. Other things that were interested will also get onto the CDR but there were also some sound-checking and just nonsense on the tape which will not make it. :-) After dinner I said goodbye to Natascha and Patrick and drove with Vic to the airport. After 2 hours in the plane I got to sleep for a few hours. Thursday, 20 April And we were woken up at 4 o'clock in the morning!! But it was already 10 o'clock in the morning (european time) so we got some breakfest. At Brussels I had a delay of one hour (after waiting already for an hour!) and then flew off the Amsterdam. Had some problems at customs because they wanted me to open the flightcase and they weren't convinced it was my stuff. I told them that I wanted a receipt on the way to Atlanta just to prevent this from happening and it was exactly happening right now! I also told the guy that this gear is running on 220V and not 110V so that also proved (a little bit) that it was my gear. Anyway after a while I could walk thru the gates. And was picked up by my father and drove home. Well, thats about it I guess... I really really had a fantastic time in America and Okefenokee!!! I wouldn't have missed this in the world and will probably be there again next year! Let's make this thing happen every year. I would like to thank everybody who made it to the swamp and made this thing happen. Also thanks to all the people I met (and couldn't meet). Marcel Email :mengels@w... Homepage :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22172 Re: My Okefenokee Report (LONG) Joe Shoults Tue 4/25/2000 2 KB From: aoutland@a... Date: Tue Apr 25, 2000 1:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] My Okefenokee Report (LONG) In a message dated 04/24/2000 7:39:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mengels@w... writes: << Okay here's my little report of the Okefenokee trip. Again, I'm not a writer/reviewer. :-) >> Thanks for the excellent report, Marcel. (And you too, Tom!) I think all of you have made us feel a little closer to having been there even though we couldn't be. I'm greatly looking forward to the pictures and music to come. 8-) Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22200 Re: My Okefenokee Report (LONG) Vic Rek Sat 4/29/2000 2 KB 22205 Re: My Okefenokee Report (LONG) Gustavo Jobim Sat 4/29/2000 2 KB 22229 Re: My Okefenokee Report (LONG) Marcel Engels Mon 5/1/2000 2 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Apr 24, 2000 5:36 pm Subject: Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Hello, due to work obligations I can't scan the record shops for a copy of this mispressing (half GWoC) myself, but I'd like to get one. Anybody got a spare copy or wants to trade his for something else ? Check my lists for some VERY exotic swap material ! cheers, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-171-7338969 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue Apr 25, 2000 6:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] My Okefenokee Report (LONG) wow. what a great report! the transition from swamp to NYC reminds me of Shy People. -joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Marcel Engels [mailto:mengels@w...] ... > Okay here's my little report of the Okefenokee trip. > Again, I'm not a writer/reviewer. :-) From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Apr 26, 2000 11:10 am Subject: Re: Musicians on the list Hi, I'm not a professional, but played music, even on stage. just for the fun, during school and a bit more afterwards, played with three friends on lots of electronics. Go and see http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/ag (site a bit experimental). lots of pictures, with equipment (Korgs, Moogs, Roland, almost all analog) played guitar in blues and jazz sessions later. my noisemakers are: Korg Mono/Poly Roland Jupiter 6 Korg Wavestation EX Ibanez Joe Satriani 100 guitar (black) Shadow guitar (red) and last but not least: a dijeridoo want to have: EMS VCS 3 Theremin cheers Armin Theissen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath Armagh BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 028 3752 29 28 N. Ireland Fax: (+44) 028 3752 71 74 o/ \o_ \ / __ __o |o \__/o | o____ |__ __/ \__/o | / | / o\ / | > / \ /o\ o| << | \o__/ Ouch!!! No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this email From: craig.cordrey@g... Date: Wed Apr 26, 2000 12:20 pm Subject: Arcane / Headshock at Jodrell Bank 22nd April 2000 (LONG POST) Forgive the 'spam' nature of this post, particularly to those lists where it may be slightly off-topic. On the 22nd April 2000, Synth Music Direct presented the second of their live shows for this year at the planetarium in Jodrell Bank, Cheshire, UK. After the success of Under the Dome and Radio Massacre International in March, this concert of Arcane and Paul Nagle's new project, Headshock, promised much. I think its fair to say that for the majority of attendees, it delivered big time. The Build Up ------------ I was fortunate enough to travel with Grant (Under the Dome) Middleton for this trip. Fortunate in that I was then able to impose upon Paul Nagle for some overnight accommodation in return for helping him transport some of his gear (and personnel). This offered me a view of the setting-up and dismantling processes in the planetarium itself before and after the show. Paul Nagle's new project is Headshock - primarily a collaboration between Paul and Tim Rafferty. Tim used to play with Paul many years ago in his school band - called Oasis, would you believe. For the live performance, they enlisted the help of John Hickey. John's played with Paul many times either under the banner of Paul Nagle or as Far from Stars. The three-piece band used a lot of equipment - enough to fill two and a half cars (where my car was the half). John also travelled with me and Grant for the last part of the journey - when I said the other cars were full, I meant FULL! Headshock's set-up comprised a variety of things (you know I'm not a gear-head by now) but went along the lines of the following : John had a large, single Roland keyboard and whatever else was required to mix it / control it. I didn't see much of Tim's setup as he did it himself, but there were a couple of keyboards, a cool 'proximity sensor' type of thing that he played like a theramin and his guitar. Paul has his usual, enormous set-up : modular thingmy, an Access Virus, a main keyboard and any variety of extra controllers, mixers and whatever. In stark contrast, Arcane (aka Paul Lawler) followed the Under the Dome methodology - a minimal set-up. A single keyboard, some form of backing tape/disk and a mixer. Before Grant and I headed to the pub for the pre-show get-together with other Beyond_EMmers, we caught a bit of the Arcane 'soundcheck'. Even then, we knew it was going to be a helluva night. The Hype -------- I think it's fair to say that Arcane are currently the hot property in the UK (European?) EM scene. The first album, Gather Darkness, came out last year to some acclaim, but the latest album, Future Wreck, has received rave 'reviews'. Arcane has recreated the 80s TD sound in a manner similar to that of Can Attila's Ave album, but with more 'independence'. The use of TD phrases and structure is clear, but slightly more subtle than that employed on Ave. Paul Nagle is probably one of the longest serving members of the UK EM scene along with people like Mark Shreeve, Ian Boddy and Andy Pickford. Paul never seems to stick to a particular style as witnessed by his last few releases/concerts : from the melodic structures of Earthshaper (from the Elements Series), through the slightly more acoustic and complex structures of Far from Stars to his new Headshock project and 'Monsters' album, you learn to expect the unexpected with Mr. Nagle. The Concert - Arcane --------------------- Arcane were first up, starting at around 7.40pm. I think I'm right in saying that Arcane (Paul Lawler) hasn't played live before/often - he looked a little nervous and self-conscious as he stood out front watched by around 70-80 expectant people. The opening three(or four?) tracks were taken from Future Wreck. Most were played 'to the letter' with little difference from the recorded versions. And they were played perfectly. However, this does not mean that Arcane have adopted the TD live style as well as the TD music. I was priveleged to watch Paul Lawler 'rehearse' in the afternoon and know that he was playing much of the melodies and even some of the more complex chords, etc. live. Paul is a 'real' musician - he has two hands on the keyboard at the same time, often doing different things. I contrast this with what I normally see - people making very good music using the one-finger method I use to type. For those unfamiliar with Arcane's work, it is classic 80s TD with a little nod to 70s ambient/mood segueing between main sections, and a dash of Paul's own solo style (if we can find it - he seems to be a bit of a musical chameleon having read his interview in the concert programme). The music is strong on bright sequences, drums and very strong on melody (the interval saw many people whistling Arcane tunes). The instrumentation is often very similar to that used by TD in the 82-88 period. Whilst I got irritated with the overuse of certain sounds in TD's music toward the end of this period, Arcane uses a variety of appropriate voices so that you don't get irritated, even when THAT harpsichord sound makes an appearance. Just when it seemed that I was going to be slightly disappointed with the Arcane set (all previous material), Paul pulled out his coup-de-gras : two superb new pieces (to me at least) that suggested there was still plenty more to come from Arcane in the future. Both followed the same Arcane style of ambient/noisy intros followed by power songs - foot-tapping beats and whistle-able melodies. The main set closed to a pretty rousing reaction from the audience and after a short pause, Arcane played their encore. When people talk about 'power' synth music, they usually quote Mark Shreeve around the Legion/Assassin era. I've never been a big fan of that style or artist, preferring Andy Pickford's 'songs'. However, what Arcane played as an encore blew any preconceptions I had of this type of EM out of the water. What a thoroughly stonking bit of stomping, loud, crashing, catchy music. And for all that, the tune was complex in structure - it was a marvel to watch Paul playing the melody as his hands dashed around the keyboard, fingers crossing themselves with mind-blowing dexterity. This was a real 'song' with verses, chorus and a rousing finale. I think the concert went down VERY well with the audience - there was a real buzz afterwards during the interval and there was as close to a roar/cheer as I've heard at JB following the encore. Everyone I spoke to loved it. If we speak very nicely to Mr.Lawler, he might release either the concert or a new album with the new material on it. Keep your fingers crossed. As a post-concert note, I just have to point out something amazing from the interview in the programme. Future Wreck was produced in one week. Paul also writes material for TV programmes and for New Age/Relaxtion record labels. For the latter, he reckons he can record an album in a day. I am astonished that such accomplished music (Future Wreck, in particular) can be created in such a short timescale. The Concert - Headshock ----------------------- Paul Nagle, Tim Rafferty and John Hickey had some show to follow. Rather than compete with Arcane in the music stakes, they presented a different format and style that seemed to go down just as well with the audience (and the performers). This is the second time I've attended one of Paul Nagle's concerts, and the second time I haven't had any idea what the style or content would be. I have to state that this concert did not strike me as positively as the Far from Stars one a couple of years ago - I felt this was very patchy. The set opened with some haunting cello effects and moved into the first of a number of head-banging sequences that liberally splattered the whole set. Paul Nagle subsequently confided to us that they had started the set with no rules except No Mellotron Washes! For me, Paul's a master knob twiddler and the morphing sequences he created were one of the highlights of the set. Not being a muso, I'm not sure what it is that distinguishes these sequences from those produced by the likes of RMI and AirSculpture, but I'd never really compare these to 70s TD. The pattern of the first piece was pretty much abstract-sequence-abstract-sequence, etc. Sometimes there was a melody to follow, other times it was simply a case of being hypnotised by the sequence. At times, you could just about hear Tim's guitar, but he needs to be more confident about letting the audience hear what he's trying to do. The first piece lasted about half-an-hour, and struck me as the better of the two long parts. It seemed more structured and concentrated on the sequences. The second piece seemed more free-form and contained long sections of ambience and noise. As I discussed with Paul afterwards, I like my concerts to be accessible where the music is new. Experimentation and innovation is for the studio/album where I can take a number of listens to get into the music. Having said this, I must say that my favourite part of the whole set was John Hickey's lovely piano solo in the middle of the second piece. A long, detailed piece of work that started in one 'phase' and acted as the bridge to another. It was very unfortunate that the only thing to go obviously wrong should be during a quiet, abstract section where Paul's Access Virus went rogue - blurting out a noise that shredded the nerves of those lulled by the quiet. However, with the consummate professionalism of a man well-used to live performances, Paul performed a quick 'reboot' in mid-piece (with Tim and John continuing around him) and the music continued with no break. The encore came from the 'leave them happy/reeling' philosophy - a short melodic 'dance' piece with a stomping beat and marginally too soft (IMO) lead line that had one individual commenting that it could be released as a dance single. An excellent close to a pretty good set. The Fall-out ------------ And so ended the second of SMD's four Jodrell Bank concerts this spring/summer. Once again, a brilliant night was had by all. In particular, I like the way that both concerts to date have featured something for everyone. The UtD set from March was similar to Arcane's, providing the more melodic accessible introduction to the night. The RMI set in March was similar to Paul Nagle's/Headshock's in that they were less accessible, featured less melody and more sequencing and were a little more 'difficult'. We now look forward to the middle of May (13th to be exact) when Kubbuschnitt join AirSculpture for a truly European night. If the standard's are maintained, it should be another great night. -------------------------------------------------------------- Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@g... crjc@t... Senior Systems Engineer Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division Donibristle, Fife, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Tue Apr 25, 2000 3:50 pm Subject: New to the list Hi, I just joined this list and thought I would introduce myself. I have been at TD fan since I first heard Phaedra in 74. I have what I consider to be a pretty complete collection of 'official' releases. Although I'm sure that through this list I will learn about all kinds of releases I never knew existed. I do have one question for the list. If this has already been covered, I apologize for rehashing old stuff. I just picked up Soundmill Navigator, and I don't know if there is a flaw in my copy or if there is horrible background noise on the recording. Throughout the CD, there is almost a constant series of ssshh ssshh sounds along with clicks (almost like the clicks you get on vinyl). Anybody else experience this? Thanks. Vince [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Tue Apr 25, 2000 8:35 pm Subject: New list member Hi, I just joined this list and thought I would introduce myself. I have been at TD fan since I first heard Phaedra in 74. I have what I consider to be a pretty complete collection of 'official' releases. Although I'm sure that through this list I will learn about all kinds of releases I never knew existed. In addition to TD, I like K. Schulze, Hawkwind, Ozric Tentacles, Namlook, and Zappa (to name a few). I do have one question for the list. If this has already been covered, I apologize for rehashing old stuff. I just picked up Soundmill Navigator, and I don't know if there is a flaw in my copy or if there is horrible background noise on the recording. Throughout the CD, there is almost a constant series of ssshh ssshh sounds along with clicks (almost like the clicks you get on vinyl). Anybody else experience this? Thanks. Vince Sorry if some of you get this message twice. I first sent it to tadream@o... and it didn't seem to post, so I am sending this message to tadream@e... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22177 Re: New list member Feldon Feldon Wed 4/26/2000 3 KB 22179 Re: New list member Craig Chambers Wed 4/26/2000 2 KB 22192 Re: New list member Vince LeGrand Thu 4/27/2000 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Apr 26, 2000 11:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] New list member This is funny that you have not even heard the original concert tapes (which many on this list have heard or possess) and you can still notice this. TD claims that their original tape of this show has deteriorated. Some of us think it is a mastering flaw. Also, be aware that the first 10 minutes of music on Soundmill Navigator were performed in 2000, not 1976. >From: 'Vince LeGrand' > >Hi, > >I just joined this list and thought I would introduce myself. > >I do have one question for the list. If this has already been covered, I >apologize for rehashing old stuff. I just picked up Soundmill Navigator, >and I don't know if there is a flaw in my copy or if there is horrible >background noise on the recording. Throughout the CD, there is almost a >constant series of ssshh ssshh sounds along with clicks (almost like the >clicks you get on vinyl). Anybody else experience this? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Apr 26, 2000 12:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Moog retrospective Although it does not mention TD, there is a long article about Bob Moog: http://www.salon.com/people/bc/2000/04/25/moog/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22332 Re: Help about Electronic Music =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christian_Vill Fri 5/5/2000 2 KB From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Wed Apr 26, 2000 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New list member Welcome Vince, > > In addition to TD, I like K. Schulze, Hawkwind, Ozric Tentacles, Namlook, > and Zappa (to name a few). You will fit in just fine with these... > I do have one question for the list. If this has already been covered, I > apologize for rehashing old stuff. I just picked up Soundmill Navigator, > and I don't know if there is a flaw in my copy or if there is horrible > background noise on the recording. Throughout the CD, there is almost a > constant series of ssshh ssshh sounds along with clicks (almost like the > clicks you get on vinyl). Anybody else experience this? Which is why I have not bothered to even purchase this one...thanks to the head's up I received from this list. From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Wed Apr 26, 2000 7:34 pm Subject: This week I've been mostly listening to... Hi Dreamers This week I've been mostly listening to... TD - Livemiles, Poland, Pergamon & Encore Jethro Tull - Aqualung & Under Wraps Air - Moon Safari Cheers for now Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22186 Re: This week I've been mostly listening to... Frank Arellano Thu 4/27/2000 3 KB 22195 This week I've been mostly listening to... Heiko Heerssen Fri 4/28/2000 2 KB From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Wed Apr 26, 2000 8:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Discussion Week 32 - 23rd April 2000 Hi Morgan and all. After hearing the tapes from the 1987 Berlin concert, you will hear MOST of the tracks from Livemiles. All the Berlin side is there, including the very melodic (and quite beautiful) opening track, which does indeed open the 87 concert tape. One of the 'Albequerque' tracks is played at a much slower tempo on the 87 tape. The only track that was definitely different was 'Dolphin Dance', and the live version was basically an extended mix of the _Underwater Sunlight_ version (although it was quite nice). The order of play has been re-arranged a bit, but most of the tracks were played live. I suspect they are primarily studio versions of the same material, but I personally don't have a problem with that. Some studio bits sound better than their live counterparts. (Take for instance the whole sequencer section of Quichotte part 2.) James > -----Original Message----- > It cannot be said that this stuff was never played live, because the > concert > recording 'Spherical Harmonics' contains tracks 2 & 3 from it. Can anyone > corroborate that all 7 pieces were played at one time or another live > during > 1986-1987? > > From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Apr 27, 2000 5:32 am Subject: Ah! Now I can tell the difference between the 2 TD lists! After reading the list description for the tadream list, I was about to fly off the handle again because of the presence of two conflicting phrases -- namely 'tadream@o... is a moderated discussion list' and 'join in on the weekly album discussions, identify that old unmarked bootleg tape you've had since college' -- but when I read the list description for the tangerinedream list, it all became clear . . . finally! Go to http://www.onelist.com/group/tadream and then on to http://www.onelist.com/group/tangerinedream and then *you'll* know, too! ;) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22184 Re: Ah! Now I can tell the difference between the Joel Mullen Thu 4/27/2000 3 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Apr 27, 2000 5:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 477 <> Gotcha! << Don't believe what some people have said about KS music being 'If you heard one you heard them all'. That is a bunch of CRAP!!!>> Well, I have a few things by him: Black Dance, some of the Dark Side Of The Moog CD's (I read an interview with Peter Namlook, where he denied that the title Dark Side Of The Moog was a Pink Floyd homage...yeah, and I suppose titles like Obscured By Klaus and Careful With That AKS, Peter are just a coincidence?!?!?!?), and The Dome Event. So far, I've been mostly satisfied with what I've heard. I know at least one person who believes Klaus has retained the quality of being listenable more so that TD have! << CHeck out www.klaus-schulze.com for more info there are break downs of each set as Silver, Historic, Jubilee and Ultimate Editions.>> Ah HA!!! This is exactly the info was looking for!!! Thanks!! WILL DO!!! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: Joel Mullen Date: Thu Apr 27, 2000 5:43 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Ah! Now I can tell the difference between the 2 TD lists! On Thursday, April 27, 2000 12:33 AM, Steven Feldman [SMTP:ar402004@b...] wrote: > After reading the list description for the tadream list, I was > about to fly off the handle again because of the presence of two > conflicting phrases -- namely 'tadream@o... is a moderated > discussion list' and 'join in on the weekly album discussions, identify > that old unmarked bootleg tape you've had since college' -- but when I > read the list description for the tangerinedream list, it all became > clear . . . finally! > Go to http://www.onelist.com/group/tadream and then on to > http://www.onelist.com/group/tangerinedream and then *you'll* know, > too! ;) Steven- Did you just read the description for 'tangerinedream' right now? I just changed it per your !@%#$%^#$ request a couple of minutes ago. Either you are refering to the changed description or it will be even MORE clear now. I hope this helps people understand. The description was written long before Joe and I decided to make one list moderated and the other one *not* Both were formed as a result of the old tadream list shutting down. Joe chose to take a long step back into favor with TD and thus the list had to be moderated. I chose not to moderated my list because there are *some* topics that need to be discussed from time to time. If you know what I mean. Regards, Joel From: 'Christopher Lomas' Date: Thu Apr 27, 2000 5:11 pm Subject: B5 & Other EM Bargains All you Chris Franke fans out there might like to know that Malcolm Parker at GFT is having a bit of a B5 clearout. His latest sales list contains fifteen or so of the B5 soundtracks for £5 each. For those who don't know Malcolm Parker he's a prog rock afficianado whose specialist CD mail order company also skirts the EM world. The list also contains some Scmoelling, Yanni and other bits and bobs. Thought I'd mention it as these proprietors of minority music deserve all the support they can get - and he's a top bloke too. http://www.gft-cyclops.co.uk/ Chris Lomas ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22188 B5 & Other EM Bargains Christopher Lomas Thu 4/27/2000 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Apr 27, 2000 5:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] This week I've been mostly listening to... Yeah, I've been listening to Encore too. I almost forgot how good it was. Actually, I think I'm liking it more and more. I especially love Monolight from the 7:30 on. No wonder I loved Montreal 77'. ----- Original Message ----- From: DEREK LAING To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 1:34 PM Subject: [tadream] This week I've been mostly listening to... > Hi Dreamers > This week I've been mostly listening to... > TD - Livemiles, Poland, Pergamon & Encore > Jethro Tull - Aqualung & Under Wraps > Air - Moon Safari > Cheers for now > Derek > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > If you love your Mother... > Click Here > http://click.egroups.com/1/3653/3/_/24785/_/956777649/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Apr 27, 2000 5:58 pm Subject: re.Whats everyone been listening to HI ALL Just a short list this week,just got Green Desert pleasantly surprised much better than I thought it would be also listen to; Poland Optical Race Great wall of China Soundmill Navigator and a bit of Oasis just love Waterborne. Gary ps.almost forgot Livemiles. From: 'Christopher Lomas' Date: Thu Apr 27, 2000 6:19 pm Subject: B5 & Other EM Bargains Tried to post this earlier but seemingly failed miserabaly. So I apologise in advance if it does crop up again. Anyway just to let you all know that Prog CD Specialists and purveyors of all manner of fine EM - GFT - have a pretty decent sale on at the moment. Fifteen or so of the Chris Franke B5 soundtracks for £5 each plus all sorts of other goodies - a couple of Schmoellings, lots of Yanni etc. (For those who don't know GFT is run by prog rock afficianado and all round nice guy Malcolm Parker) Its a UK company, but he ships pretty much everywhere I think. Unfortunately the full sales list isn't on line but you can go to http://www.gft-cyclops.co.uk/gft/gftframe.html for more info. Chris Lomas ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Thu Apr 27, 2000 6:27 pm Subject: Wave Aid II question I just saw Wave Aid II advertised for sale. It has 2 TD tracks listed: 1. Sundance performed by Kitaro 2. Valley in the Clouds performed by Arkenstone, David 3. Waves performed by Tomlinson, Michael 4. Swept Away performed by Yanni 5. Distant Thunder performed by Checkfield 6. Astrud performed by Basia 7. Atlas Eyes performed by Haslinger / Tangerine Dream 8. In a Ten Bamboo Studio (Lordy's Mountain) performed by Tangerine Dream 9. Reunion performed by O'Hearn, Patrick 10. Chihuahua Pearl performed by Saisse, Philippe 11. Ghostly Horses of the Plain performed by Stewart, Al 12. Calling All Angels performed by Gilkyson, Eliza I know track 7 is from Optical Race, but I can't recall seeing track 8 anywhere else. I'm sure it's on a disc somewhere and I just don't remember the title. Anyone know where this track came from? Thanks, James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22193 Re: Wave Aid II question Michael A Jean Thu 4/27/2000 4 KB From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Thu Apr 27, 2000 6:33 pm Subject: Great Wall of China I must admit, I really like Great Wall of China (thanks LB for the loaner...) Quite a bit of sequencing here. More than any album I think since 220 volt probably. Nice to see them getting back to those wild sequences. Also, I think the mixing is much better than most of the late 90s TDI releases, where the music is at a constant maximum volume, even parts that are intended to be ambient and quieter. There's something to be said about the use of dynamics in music. It kind of kills that effect to have the mix at a constant volume. James From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Apr 27, 2000 8:17 pm Subject: LIT FYI: turn mail off and on FYI: We see many poeple unsubscribe when going on vacation, or for other reasons that they want to simply suspend receipt of tadream mail. If you want to turn your mail 'off' or 'on', you can do this easily via a e-mail commands, without thaving to unsubscribe/resubscribe: to turn mail off: mailto:tadream-nomail@egroups.com to turn mail back on: mailto:tadream-normal@egroups.com or mailto:tadream-digest@egroups.com HTH, Joe From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Thu Apr 27, 2000 9:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New list member Thanks. Guess I should have joined the list a week earlier :-( -----Original Message----- From: Feldon Feldon To: tadream@egroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] New list member >This is funny that you have not even heard the original concert tapes (which >many on this list have heard or possess) and you can still notice this. TD >claims that their original tape of this show has deteriorated. Some of us >think it is a mastering flaw. Also, be aware that the first 10 minutes of >music on Soundmill Navigator were performed in 2000, not 1976. > >>From: 'Vince LeGrand' >> >>Hi, >> >>I just joined this list and thought I would introduce myself. >> >>I do have one question for the list. If this has already been covered, I >>apologize for rehashing old stuff. I just picked up Soundmill Navigator, >>and I don't know if there is a flaw in my copy or if there is horrible >>background noise on the recording. Throughout the CD, there is almost a >>constant series of ssshh ssshh sounds along with clicks (almost like the >>clicks you get on vinyl). Anybody else experience this? >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Avoid the lines and visit avis.com for quick and easy online >reservations. Enjoy a compact car nationwide for only $29 a day! >Click here for more details. >http://click.egroups.com/1/3011/3/_/24785/_/956749888/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu Apr 27, 2000 11:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Wave Aid II question I remember a song with a similar title by the greoup TIMMERMANS and WISE, but I don't recall a TD track with that name. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James E [mailto:james.e.owens@b...] > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 1:27 PM > To: 'tadream' > Subject: [tadream] Wave Aid II question > > > I just saw Wave Aid II advertised for sale. It has 2 TD tracks listed: > > > 1. Sundance performed by Kitaro > 2. Valley in the Clouds performed by Arkenstone, David > 3. Waves performed by Tomlinson, Michael > 4. Swept Away performed by Yanni > 5. Distant Thunder performed by Checkfield > 6. Astrud performed by Basia > 7. Atlas Eyes performed by Haslinger / Tangerine Dream > 8. In a Ten Bamboo Studio (Lordy's Mountain) performed by Tangerine > Dream > 9. Reunion performed by O'Hearn, Patrick > 10. Chihuahua Pearl performed by Saisse, Philippe > 11. Ghostly Horses of the Plain performed by Stewart, Al > 12. Calling All Angels performed by Gilkyson, Eliza > > I know track 7 is from Optical Race, but I can't recall seeing track 8 > anywhere else. I'm sure it's on a disc somewhere and I just > don't remember > the title. > Anyone know where this track came from? > > Thanks, > James > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Join Garden.com's affiliate program and enjoy numerous benefits. > To learn more click here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/2955/3/_/24785/_/956860062/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Apr 27, 2000 11:11 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] This week I've been mostly listening to... Hello all This week I have been listening to: Enya Enigma Atmos X-dream Tarsis Trance Atlantic Air Waves Audio Science TD: Great BALLS of china (the first track is brilliant, the rest is boring. Same sound as last year and the year before and the year b........... Yeah well, I am a bit dissappointed with this CD. Haven't got SN yet, but hopefully soon.) Jan From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Apr 28, 2000 10:11 am Subject: [tadream] This week I've been mostly listening to... Hi Gang, this week I've been listening to: Foreign Spaces: Phaeton Arcane: Future wreck Klaus Schulze: Historic edition Various Artists: 'Gift' from Invisible Shadows TD: Osaka 28.6.83 TD: Oxford 15.10.81 TD: Great wall of China TD: Tang-go This week I mostly laughed at... Germany's bravely 1:1 draw against Switzerland (soccer) Regards, Heiko From: Nigbur D Date: Fri Apr 28, 2000 11:10 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Great Wall of China > ---------- > From: Owens, James E[SMTP:james.e.owens@b...] > Reply To: tadream@egroups.com > Sent: 27 April 2000 19:33 > To: 'tadream' > Subject: [tadream] Great Wall of China > > Quite a bit of sequencing here. More than any album I think since 220 > volt > probably. Nice to see them getting back to those wild sequences. > I agree. Although I still think that a lot of the material on GWoC is recycled from early-90s stuff (not that there's anything wrong with that in itself, especially considering that I prefer the re-worked implementation of those bits in GWoC), I like the sequencing quite a lot. Tracks like 'Stranded without Shade' seem traditional and innovative at the same time with regard to their sequencing. > Also, I > think the mixing is much better than most of the late 90s TDI releases, > where the music is at a constant maximum volume, even parts that are > intended to be ambient and quieter. > It is a good mix, but I would argue that the 'constant maximum' mix has been around for longer than that. I suspect they started doing that in the late 80s, when songs became much shorter, and required a more compressed sound for that reason - there is only so much in the way of dynamics you can squeeze into three minutes. > There's something to be said about the > use of dynamics in music. It kind of kills that effect to have the mix at > a > constant volume. > Agreed, at least in the longer-song format they seem to be coming back to. I remember reading an interview with Klaus Schulze, in which he said that today's listeners are too habituated to hearing compressed sound on the radio and on TV, so that he feels like a bit of a rebel in not using this technique. This seems to be what TD are trying to do these days. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22197 Auction of TD, Schulze and related CD's Kees Fri 4/28/2000 2 KB From: Kees Date: Fri Apr 28, 2000 1:05 pm Subject: Auction of TD, Schulze and related CD's Hello, We have some CD's from Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Chris Franke, Edgar Froese on auction. http://www.groove.nl/auction.html All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Fri Apr 28, 2000 2:40 pm Subject: This week's listening Hello there, This seems to be becoming a (good) tadream tradition, methinks. This week I've been principally spinning Lalo Schifrin's _Dirty Harry Anthology_. Quintessential seventies grooves, man (all Fender Rhodes piano and wah-wah guitar). The theme from _Magnum Force_, played at mega volume, is one of the most amazing musical experiences there is. Give it a try! TD content: Edgar Froese :-) Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22215 Re: This week's listening horrod6 Sun 4/30/2000 2 KB 22329 Re: This week's listening Steve Yensen Fri 5/5/2000 2 KB 22351 Re: This week's listening Rainer Rutka Sat 5/6/2000 2 KB 22330 Re: This week's listening Feldon Feldon Fri 5/5/2000 2 KB 22341 Re: This week's listening Gary Jenkins Sat 5/6/2000 3 KB 22336 Re: This week's listening Frank Arellano Sat 5/6/2000 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Apr 28, 2000 7:57 pm Subject: Recent listenings Hello dreamers, This is becoming a tradition. Recently, I've been playing... - JMJ's remastered China Concerts - 220 Volt Live - Tubular Bells (the first) - Quaterna Requiem music excerpts (it's a Brazilian prog/instrumental group influenced by 70s prog rock, very good music. I can give you the links to the excerpts if you want) - Vang's Albedo 0.39 Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22203 Re: Recent listenings tom george Sat 4/29/2000 2 KB 22206 Re: Recent listenings tom george Sat 4/29/2000 2 KB 22225 Re: Recent listenings Ken Beal Mon 5/1/2000 2 KB 22211 Re: Recent listenings Craig Chambers Sun 4/30/2000 3 KB 22213 Re: Recent listenings jupe Sun 4/30/2000 2 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Apr 29, 2000 4:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] My Okefenokee Report (LONG) Hi Marcel, I've been 'swamped' lately. The Demo sessions CD will be mailed to you and Dave in the next few days, and I hope we can get someting out to the fans soon. This is some great swamp EM! > Back at the cottage we eat most of the food which was left and relaxed > a bit and talked about the days we had at this trip. > I tried to recreate some of the frog sounds on my synths which let to > some very interested sequence sounds and from thereon I was inspired to > do some more music. At first I thought it wasn't really interested to > record it but thanks to Vic we did record it and now appears as > 'Cottage No.3' on the CDR. Cottage No. 3 is a piece that I truly love!! I'm going to play it as I go to sleep tonight. I hope the rest of the fans enjoy it - a rare and classic EM piece!!! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22205 Re: My Okefenokee Report (LONG) Gustavo Jobim Sat 4/29/2000 2 KB 22229 Re: My Okefenokee Report (LONG) Marcel Engels Mon 5/1/2000 2 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Apr 29, 2000 8:28 am Subject: Discussion Week 33 - Sunday 30th April Next up is Optical Race. Please make your subject read 'D:Studio [Optical Race]' for the benefit of archive searching. We welcome comments on the discussion week albums from everyone, old and new to the list alike. Samples in Real Audio format can be found at http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/optical1.ram http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/optical2.ram A MIDI file of Sun Gate can be found at (not created by me) www.thisolehouse.freeserve.co.uk/midi Regards, Lawry NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Apr 29, 2000 8:31 am Subject: New EMAIL address Please now stop using the usa.net address for me as I no longer have POP3 access to it and cannot be arsed going via the web interface. My new address is lawry.simm@f... (which I've been using for some time now anyway). Please update your records. Thanks, Lawry NP - RMI - Upstairs Downstairs... .comments later - got some wallpaper to put up first! NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22207 Schmoelling Live (Million Bits in Concert) 1987-s Rainer Rutka Sat 4/29/2000 2 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Sat Apr 29, 2000 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Recent listenings -- a nice tradition to see the variety of music. as for me it has been the following. Pink Floyd-'Is There Anybody Out There' Alio Die-'The Hidden Spring' Eiffel 65-'Technopop' awesome and different The Fireman-'cant remember the title' is this really McCartney? and is that his daughter naked inside'? The Beach Boys-'5 disc box set' Cpt. Beefheart-'The Dust Blows Forward' 2-discs Cpt. Beefheart-'Grow Fins' 5-cd box Roger Waters-Amused To Death' Camel 'The Snow Goose' Edgar Froese'Epsilon In Malaysian Pale' White Witch-'White Witch' Tom On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:57:29 Gustavo Jobim wrote: >Hello dreamers, >This is becoming a tradition. Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Apr 29, 2000 4:16 pm Subject: VOices In THe Dunes My copy is up for auction ending today. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=313083790 Regards, Michael A. Jean Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Apr 29, 2000 3:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] My Okefenokee Report (LONG) >Hi Marcel, > >I've been 'swamped' lately. >The Demo sessions CD will be mailed to you and Dave in the next few >days, and I hope we can get someting out to the fans soon. This is some >great swamp EM! Let us know when the CD is available! Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22229 Re: My Okefenokee Report (LONG) Marcel Engels Mon 5/1/2000 2 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Sat Apr 29, 2000 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Recent listenings a nice thread here. it is cool seeing what others are listening too: here is mine for the week: Pink Floyd-'Is There Anybody Out There' Eiffel 65-'Technopop' awesome and different Roger Waters-'Amused To Death' Beach Boys-'5 disc box' The Fireman-'Vapors' i think that is the title...is this really Paul McCartney? is that his daughter nude on the inside? really good disc Cpt. Beefheart-'The Dust Blows Forward' 2-disc set Cpt. Beefheart-'Grow Fins' 5-disc box Camel-'The Snow Goose' Edgar Froese-'Epsilon In Malaysian Pale' White Witch-1st Alio Die-'The Hidden Spring' incredible ambient thats all i can remember tom -- On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:57:29 Gustavo Jobim wrote: >Hello dreamers, >This is becoming a tradition. > >Recently, I've been playing... Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22225 Re: Recent listenings Ken Beal Mon 5/1/2000 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sat Apr 29, 2000 7:23 pm Subject: Schmoelling Live (Million Bits in Concert) 1987-special Hi to you all! Long promised and now ready: My 'Million Bits in Concert'-special is is now online. See 'www.rutka.de/td' (NEWS, or the 'Million Bits'-special button on the left side of the screen. Million Bits in Concerts was a live performance by Johannes Schmoelling and many others from the year 1987. Fortunately I got some fantastic pictures and the music, too. Have fun! Rainer NP: Million Bits in Concert, Johannes Schmoelling and many others --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Apr 29, 2000 11:32 am Subject: Recent Listenings This week I have mostly been listening to :- Arcane - Future Wreck Arcane - Gather Darkness RMI - Upstairs Downstairs TD - Livemiles TD - Optical Race JMJ - Metamorphoses Eloy - Ra Crash Test Dummies - And God Shuffled His Feet All excellent albums IMHO. Lawry NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Tomas Rydqvist Date: Sat Apr 29, 2000 11:04 pm Subject: Dont dream !!! Hi folks Is there anyone who can help me with coverart to these cd's Coefficient of aura expansion part 1 and 2 Dont walk dream now 1 and 2 Thanks in advance By the way i got dreamtime 7', in the beginning box and Quichotte (amiga) for trade/sale if someone is interested. Totta From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sat Apr 29, 2000 5:46 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Recent listenings tom george >The Fireman-'Vapors' i think that is the title...is this really Paul McCartney? Paul did release two CDs as The Fireman, I suppose this one is by him too. Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Stuff www.folkvord.net/jarrestuff Emusic http://w3.to/_emusic From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Sun Apr 30, 2000 2:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Recent listenings Some more stuff that I have been listening to lately: Lots of Pink Floyd live (even a new 'official' release :-) Lots of TD live Klaus Schulze live Fritz 5/19/97 (this is AWESOME!) Steve Jolliffe-Beyond the Dream Lots of Yes live Some Renaissance Eloy-Ocean and Ocean II John Dysan-Silver bird (nice) You know I went back and listened to the Dark Side of the Moon the other day, which I probably haven't listened to in several years. I have heard it a gazillion times on live shows, but I put on headphones and cranked up the official release and I was completely blown away again. If you have forgotten how awesome this album is then go refresh your memory...My hats off to Water's lyrics, Wright's Hammond and his touch on 'Us and Them', Mason's cymbal and tom-tom work, and of course, regardless of how many times I have heard it on the radio, that damn guitar solo on 'money'! Oh yeah, and Alan Parsons production... Now, back to TD...Jolliffes's 'Beyond the Dream' is pretty good stuff too! From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Apr 30, 2000 9:45 am Subject: Voices in the Dunes for sale Hi all, a friend of mine is willing to sell his paperback copy of 'Voices in the Dunes'. Before putting it up on ebay (the last one just sold there for US$ 68 + pp) we offer it to list members for a set sale price of DM 120.- Air mail postage is DM 7.- (Germany), DM 20.- (Europe) or DM 30.- (overseas). US$ payment possible at 1$ = DM 1.85 (includes exchange fees) First come, first served. The book is in good condition, only slight traces of use and some sun-bleaching of the cover. regards, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-171-7338969 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de From: jupe Date: Sun Apr 30, 2000 11:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Recent listenings I have been listening : Tangerine Dream cdrs : Rojo caliente , Deutschlandhalle Berlin FM , Festival Hall Adeline , Colston Hall Bristol , The Dome Brighton , Croydon Fairfield Theater , Santa Monica Civic Auditorium , Audimax Hamburg , Sagrada Familia Barcelona 78 , Unknown Place ? ¿SPAIN? ¿ITALY? , Internationales Congress Centrum - Berlin , Per Ardua Ad Astra , Strange Dream , Inserts ... Klaus Schulze Cdrs : Coventry Cathedral , Visca , The Derby Concert , Live under The Blue Moon , Beyond the Ultimate ... Yes : The Ladder , boots .. IQ : Subterranea Triumvirat : Pompei Johannes Schmoelling : Zoo Wakeman : Return to the Centre of the Earth Hammil & VDGG : still life Omega : Transcendent King Crimson : Lizard From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Apr 30, 2000 3:06 pm Subject: the fireman obviously he doesn't care to make any money on it. there is no reference anywhere on the cd or in the packaging to tell you who it is. also it is on a label i have never heard of. the good news is that it is awesome space music and no vocals. Best Buy actually has 3 copies of this. tom -- On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:46:58 Glenn Folkvord wrote: >tom george > >>The Fireman-'Vapors' i think that is the title...is this really Paul McCartney? > >Paul did release two CDs as The Fireman, I suppose this one is by him too. > >Glenn > >JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart >Stuff www.folkvord.net/jarrestuff >Emusic http://w3.to/_emusic > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. >http://click.egroups.com/1/3019/3/_/24785/_/957055235/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: horrod6 Date: Sun Apr 30, 2000 3:16 pm Subject: Re: This week's listening Yeah, I like this thread too - thanks Tom for reminding me to go and dig out my Captain Beefheart! I've had a quiet week, apart from subjecting 'Mars Polaris' to the old 'listen to it six times consecutively and you'll love it' treatment. Other than that, I've been playing: TD - What a blast Lady Fortescue - Perfume from Provence (audiobook) Soundtrack from 'The Crow' Leftfield - Rhythm and Stealth LnH Marion From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Apr 30, 2000 3:07 pm Subject: Monique / album covers Hello dreamers, Are Monique and Edgar still married? Why doesn't she make the album covers anymore? Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22223 Re: Monique / album covers Owens, James E Mon 5/1/2000 2 KB From: TomX01@a... Date: Sun Apr 30, 2000 9:09 pm Subject: D:Studio [Optical Race] Optical Race .... by Paul Haslinger and Edgar Froese. 1) Marakesh. A slightly repetetive number, but gets moving about 3:30. Somewhat experemental track as regards timing is concerned but I guess thats just the guys playing around with the new software. Doesn't really achieve anything in my view. Ed and Paul still seem to be getting to grips with both the software and the absence of Chris. 2) Atlas Eyes One of my favorites, some nice sound design and just about the right length. Sounds more like something off Melrose. Simple but effective, not too much to say about this one. 3) Mothers Of Rain Probably the best known track on the album as I gather it was played in concert some time before it was finally recorded for this album. Lovely melodies, gentle progression, must be considered one of the classic tracks of the Private years. 4) Twin Soul Tribe Compositionally more vintage stuff here, to me it sounds more like Exit or White Eagle style, though the sequencing seems very mechanical with little soul (no pun intended) 5) Optical Race Hmmmm, cha cha cha. The type of music they broadcast on tv when there's a break in program transmissions, ridiculously upbeat. At 1.38 we get a change back to the style of Alchemy of the Heart, but alas only for a few seconds. 6) Cat Scan This always reminds me of the last track on Hollywood Years, the name of which escapes me right now. Very similar sequence. More interesting a minute or so in but nothing particlurly groundbreaking on the sequencing front. 7) Sun Gate My favorite track on the album. Good sound design, accomplished composition and the last time in my opinion a TD album had some guitar played with real feeling on it. Allegedly Haslingers audition piece and Edgar seems to like as it seems to appear on every compilation album that includes music from the Private era. 8) Turning of the Wheel A very slow and boring start, and doesn't develop much further at all. Does anybody out there like this one? 9) The Midnight Trail Another one of my favorites from the era, very downcast and somber. However after a couple of minutes we have a little prozac at the end of the tunnel. Nicely balanced emotions in this track IMO. 10) Ghazal A nice tune but again seems way to mechanical, would have been better played with some feeling. Overall, Optical Race, with the exception of 3 or 4 tracks I could live without it, but IMO when it is good, it is very good. Tom (Melrose) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22224 D:Studio [Optical Race] Owens, James E Mon 5/1/2000 4 KB 22237 D:Studio [Optical Race] Nigbur D Tue 5/2/2000 6 KB 22326 Re: D:Studio [Optical Race] Gabe Yedid Fri 5/5/2000 6 KB 22349 Re: D:Studio [Optical Race] Jim Moore Sat 5/6/2000 2 KB 22354 Re: D:Studio [Optical Race] Gabe Yedid Sun 5/7/2000 3 KB 22239 Re: D:Studio [Optical Race] Jim Moore Tue 5/2/2000 2 KB 22264 Re: D:Studio [Optical Race] jjoy Wed 5/3/2000 5 KB 22370 D:Studio [Optical Race] quarlie@a... Mon 5/8/2000 8 KB 22377 Re: D:Studio [Optical Race] Jim Moore Mon 5/8/2000 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sun Apr 30, 2000 8:04 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Monique / album covers Gustavo Jobim wrote: >Why doesn't she make the album covers anymore? She doesnt know how to install Photoshop plugins? :-) Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Stuff www.folkvord.net/jarrestuff Emusic http://w3.to/_emusic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22220 Re: SV: [tadream] Monique / album covers Feldon Feldon Sun 4/30/2000 2 KB 22221 Re: SV: [tadream] Monique / album covers Gustavo Jobim Mon 5/1/2000 2 KB 22222 Re: SV: [tadream] Monique / album covers Sean Montgomery Mon 5/1/2000 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sun Apr 30, 2000 8:04 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] the fireman Hi Tom, >obviously he doesn't care to make any money on it. That is because he doesnt NEED to make any money on it :-) gf From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Apr 30, 2000 10:23 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Monique / album covers >From: 'Glenn Folkvord' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: SV: [tadream] Monique / album covers >Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:04:57 +0200 > >Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > >Why doesn't she make the album covers anymore? > >She doesnt know how to install Photoshop plugins? :-) Hahahaha! I agree completely. Artists need not apply. Simply play with 10-15 Photoshop filters and you get instant CD cover. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22221 Re: SV: [tadream] Monique / album covers Gustavo Jobim Mon 5/1/2000 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon May 1, 2000 12:55 am Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Monique / album covers > >Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > > > >Why doesn't she make the album covers anymore? > > > >She doesnt know how to install Photoshop plugins? :-) > >Hahahaha! I agree completely. Artists need not apply. Simply play with 10-15 >Photoshop filters and you get instant CD cover. > >-Morgan Hehehe that is so true. Or you just press the GO! button in some 'Random Fractal Picture Generator' program... Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon May 1, 2000 2:08 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] Monique / album covers > >Why doesn't she make the album covers anymore? > > She doesnt know how to install Photoshop plugins? :-) Ha ha ha! Good one! SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Mon May 1, 2000 3:12 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Monique / album covers Yes, as far as I know. She does mostly photography these days. Check out the concert photos from Klangart 1999. Most photos are by Monique. Also the video from 1995 Los Angeles has Edgar and Monique eating together before the concert. > -----Original Message----- > Are Monique and Edgar still married? > Why doesn't she make the album covers anymore? > > Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... > From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Mon May 1, 2000 3:25 pm Subject: D:Studio [Optical Race] Some responses to Tom's OR review: > Optical Race .... by Paul Haslinger and Edgar Froese. You forget Ralf Wadephul. He played on all the Optical Race video material I have seen, and there is an interview on East German TV with Ralf and Edgar (without Paul). I have seen the interview, but have not heard a translation. I agree with you on most tracks, but I have a couple comments: > 6) Cat Scan > > This always reminds me of the last track on Hollywood Years, the name of > which escapes me right now. Very similar sequence. More interesting a > minute > or so in but nothing particlurly groundbreaking on the sequencing front. I really like this track. When I first got OR, I couldn't get enough of it. Very nice use of 12-string guitar, and a very interesting beat which was unique for TD at the time. Also there's the switch back and forth from minor to major keys. It's sort of remindful of the mjor melody/minor countermelody theme of Ravel's 'Bolero', though much shorter and less complex. Still quite likeable. > 7) Sun Gate > > My favorite track on the album. Good sound design, accomplished > composition > and the last time in my opinion a TD album had some guitar played with > real > feeling on it. Allegedly Haslingers audition piece and Edgar seems to like > as > it seems to appear on every compilation album that includes music from the > > Private era. > Excellent track. However, it was Ralf Wadephul's contribution/audition piece, not Haslinger's. > verall, Optical Race, with the exception of 3 or 4 tracks I could live > without it, but IMO when it is good, it is very good. > The next album (Lily) is far superior in my estimation, as is most of Melrose. But I wouldn't trade my copy for any other CD. James From: Ken Beal Date: Mon May 1, 2000 4:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Recent listenings OK...I'll play...Here is my list of recent listenings... VNV Nation - Advance and Follow Sisters of Mercy - Floodland TD - Tang Go Robt Schroder - Paradise Invisible Shadows - The Gift Gossamer - Sweetet Misery Pink Floyd - The Wall Hans Zimmer/Lisa Gerard - Gladiator Soundtrack Ken ********************************************** The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh. ********************************************** To avoid disappointment, lower expectations. From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Mon May 1, 2000 5:41 pm Subject: Mike Oldfield/TD connection Okay, just for fun this is a sort of 3 Degrees of Kevin Bacon game. What's the connection between TD and Mike Oldfield on the Hollywood side? Ignore the fact that they both recorded on Virgin in the early 70s. I'll post the answer tomorrow if nobody answers... James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22227 Re: Mike Oldfield/TD connection Jim Moore Mon 5/1/2000 3 KB 22228 Re: Mike Oldfield/TD connection Owens, James E Mon 5/1/2000 2 KB 22230 Re: Mike Oldfield/TD connection Synthhtnys@a... Mon 5/1/2000 2 KB 22231 Bacon/TD connection Sean Montgomery Mon 5/1/2000 2 KB 22243 Re: Mike Oldfield/TD connection Jorge Figueiredo Tue 5/2/2000 2 KB 22246 Re: Mike Oldfield/TD connection Gustavo Jobim Tue 5/2/2000 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Mon May 1, 2000 6:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mike Oldfield/TD connection Easy: Both composed soundtracks for William Friedkin (or both composed soundtracks for movies with Linda Blair in them... hee hee...) - jim ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James E' To: ''tadream'' Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 1:41 PM Subject: [tadream] Mike Oldfield/TD connection > Okay, just for fun this is a sort of 3 Degrees of Kevin Bacon game. > What's the connection between TD and Mike Oldfield on the Hollywood side? > Ignore the fact that they both recorded on Virgin in the early 70s. > > I'll post the answer tomorrow if nobody answers... > James > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving > more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance > rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2567/3/_/24785/_/957202939/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Mon May 1, 2000 7:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Mike Oldfield/TD connection Right on both counts, Jim! Guess I'll have to make the next one harder. James > -----Original Message----- > Easy: Both composed soundtracks for William Friedkin (or both composed > soundtracks for movies with Linda Blair in them... hee hee...) > From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon May 1, 2000 8:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] My Okefenokee Report (LONG) > >I've been 'swamped' lately. > >The Demo sessions CD will be mailed to you and Dave in the next few > >days, and I hope we can get someting out to the fans soon. This is some > >great swamp EM! > > Let us know when the CD is available! > > Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... We will! And we'll start on the webpage real soon now! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels Email :mengels@w... From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon May 1, 2000 8:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mike Oldfield/TD connection In a message dated 5/1/2000 5:44:02 PM !!!First Boot!!!, james.e.owens@b... writes: << What's the connection between TD and Mike Oldfield on the Hollywood side? >> Ohhhh possibly they both did soundtracks for William Friedkin movies? Poly From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon May 1, 2000 8:27 pm Subject: Bacon/TD connection > Okay, just for fun this is a sort of 3 Degrees of Kevin Bacon game. More interesting: how many degrees between TD and Kevin Bacon? There are numerous answers, but here's one: TD scored Risky Business and Legend, both starring Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise was in A Few Good Men with Kevin Bacon. A more interesting answer, according to The Oracle of Bacon (http://oracleofbacon.org/oracle/): The Oracle says: Edgar Froese has a Bacon number of 3. Edgar Froese was in Warum die UFOs unseren Salat klauen (1980) with Curd Jurgens Curd Jurgens was in Longest Day, The (1962) with Robert Wagner Robert Wagner was in Wild Things (1998) with Kevin Bacon Has anyone ever found out if the actor in the UFO movie is the same Edgar Froese? -Sean Montgomery From: tom807@a... Date: Mon May 1, 2000 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Bacon/TD connection In a message dated 5/1/00 4:38:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sean@t... writes: > > Has anyone ever found out if the actor in the UFO movie is the same Edgar > Froese? It is. -- Tom http://www.mp3.com/tom807 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22241 Re: Bacon/TD connection Owens, James E Tue 5/2/2000 2 KB 22244 Re: Bacon/TD connection Joe Shoults Tue 5/2/2000 2 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Tue May 2, 2000 5:54 am Subject: Re:Listening to... Well, lately, I've had on: Etron Fou Leloublan: 43 Songs disc 1 Tangerine Dream: Brighton Dome 76 Boston: Osaka Japan 79 Jefferson Airplane: 10/26/67 San Francisco Magma: 10/16/76 Carmaux France Hatfield And The North: a couple different live tapes Shicke Führs Fröhling: Papenburg, Germany 75 Ornette Coleman: Free Jazz and The Shape Of Jazz To Come Alien Planetscapes: Old Bottles and I've heard a song here and there from various discs in preparation for my 2 hour visit to a local college radio station. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: 'colin anderson' Date: Tue May 2, 2000 9:07 am Subject: Re: D:Live [Livemiles] Ok, apologies if this is a bit off-topic on the Livemiles thing. Don't know about everyone else, but I tend to associate td tracks with places I've been or things I've been involved with. Livemiles is no exception and it all came horribly back to me after listening to it again for the first time in ages a couple of nights ago. Livemiles was released at the time I was working with – I'd better not say – back in the uk. The company had this idea that it'd better start a management succession programme. The big thing about the programme was a three-week stint at a posh management development centre and a weekend of outward bounds or survival training-teamwork type-thing in the hills. So off I went on the programme with 20 others, armed with three weeks worth of supplies, my sony walkman and a barely-listened-to Livemiles tape. The weekend survival-training-teamwork thing sure turned out to be interesting. The course organisers told us was that we'd be split into four teams of five and the objective was to work as a team (sounded ominous already...) and over the weekend, find and decode a series of clues that would lead us to other clues, food, the next camp and hopefully, our destination. It didn't matter who won, but there would be a prize for the best team – and oh by the way – we'd all be discreetly videoed and the videos would be used by our company to help them sort out who would reach managerial stardom. With this motivation, we were trucked to the hills, split into our teams and put on our way. The video thing was possibly one of the most dismal ideas ever thought of. As everybody knew they were being watched, their behaviour became so ridiculous and exaggerated that previously normal folk suddenly acquired attitudes three jackboots to the right of fascism, trying to edge themselves forward as THE leader of the group to impress the company. Naturally, this meant that the dickhead of the group stomped his way in as the leader. I decided to stay well back from all this crappy artificial behaviour, keep a low profile, plug in the headphones, get to know Livemiles, start hiking and wait for the cock-ups to start. I wasn't disappointed. Our self-appointed leader stopped our team at one point (half-way thru' Livemiles 1 – the slow bit) and started looking at his map. He reckoned that, according to the previous clues, there should be another clue round about where we were, which was in the middle of a valley with a river running thru' it. We were all despatched to scout the area to find the sodding clue, when the leader started shouting that he'd found it. We all horsed it over to where he was, to find him beaming at the vid camera and pointing to a white sort of package under a bridge. Chuffed that he'd found the next clue, he went down to collect it, brought it back and opened it. I thought that it looked a bit odd to be a clue as it seemed to be no more than a pile of white tissue paper. And so our leader opened it - still beaming at the camera and thinking that a senior management position was in his pocket - to find a huge pile of shit oozing out of his `clue'! Turned out that a hill walker before us must have felt the urge to do the business. By now, Livemiles was really growing on me, but there was more crappy management decisions to come. A few hours later, we found ourselves in the same situation again - apparently in the right place, needing to find the next clue, but this time it really mattered as it lead to food. Undeterred by the shit incident, the leader led us into a huge field, absolutely certain that the clue had to be somewhere in it (Livemiles 1 again at this point – part 3). After looking around for ages, he shouts again and runs towards a wall at the bottom of the field. Once again, the team and the vid man get on the move and find him pointing at a long stick coming out of the ground, with another stick sort of attached to it with string. One of the team asks to have a go at digging to find the clue – and get a shot of the limelight – but the leader over- rules and says that since he found it, it was his to claim. And so with the camera rolling and the rest of us looking on thinking what a dickhead he was, he started digging. Five minutes later tho', he came to an abrupt halt, saying `Oh, er, um...' and, camera and all, we peered into the hole he'd dug to find, first, something kinda hairy and white with black patches on it and then on the second look, the decomposed body of a dog. I asked the boss if he reckoned this was lunch, but by this time he'd retired a few metres away and the vid was capturing him spewing his guts all over the place. Then the farmer arrived and the leader was left by the rest of us to explain why he'd decided to dig his dog out of it's grave (hence the two sticks – the horizontal stick of the cross had fallen down). By the third day I'd run out of batteries and I was dying to have another listen to Livemiles. The final obstacle that we'd to overcome was to canoe down a river and over a series of rapids to the finsh line. The canoes were a two-man effort and unfortunately, I was paired up with our team leader. Our dry clothes and things were put in a watertight container by him, jammed at his feet and down we headed on the river. Everything went fine until we got to the rapids, when the leader decides to make a bit of a show in front of the vid, which was positioned right in view of the rapids and the finish line. Not surprisingly, he got too cocky and despite me screaming at him to take easy, the canoe overturns and we go over the finish line upside down. After getting fished out, and getting a right old laughing at by everyone else, I collected the watertight container and opened it to find that everything in it was soaked. I then found the sony walkman, opened the door and out came a flood, a pile of sand and grit and a mangled Livemiles tape. By this time, I'd had enough of our leader. I found him talking to a few folk in front of the vid, bragging about how he'd had a great canoe down the river, so I tapped him on the shoulder and as he turned round, landed a right corker on him. Then a scrum started, a few got busted-up, and it all got caught on video for our bosses back at company HQ. In the post-weeekend review, I was asked what it was that had made me crack and wallop our group leader since it seemed to be totally contradictory to the personality test I'd had at the beginning of the course, which concluded I was a 'blue-ish green person'. Was it a knee-jerk reaction, personal stress, a transfer of aggression or an underlying but disturbing personality trait? The assessor was confused when I told him 'The dickhead mangled my Livemiles tape' That's my story and lasting impression of Livemiles. Any more stories of what a td track or lp reminds you of? From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue May 2, 2000 10:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: D:Live [Livemiles] colin anderson wrote: > That's my story and lasting impression of Livemiles. Any more > stories of what a td track or lp reminds you of? What a great story...thank god I'm only a lazy librarian! ~LOL~ I have fond memories of 'Destination Berlin' because I took this cassette along with me to Berlin in 1990 to watch the DFB-Pokal soccer/football finale (I guess in the UK it's called the FA cup). We drove with a bus from Hamburg to Berlin, about 30 people (you know, these calm and rational soccer fans who turn into mad-screaming monsters when your team is playing ;-) Next to me was sitting a quite beautiful young girl of about 19 or 20 years and I was more than lucky to have her beside me. When I played my 'Destination Berlin' tape (I guess I had chosen it because it was new at that time and because of the suitable title) she asked me about the music I was listening to. 'Tangerine Dream' I replied.....'Tangerine Who?' she asked..Well, nobody is perfect I said to myself and tried to behave like Mr. Nice Guy. And somehow it seemed to work... I still have some fond memories about the trip back home, especially the envious looks of some of my friends while I kissed her in the bus. Ah, sweet days of youth. Heiko From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue May 2, 2000 11:05 am Subject: No e-mails since 24 April I don't know what's happened, but I haven't been getting any list messages since 24 April. I thought that you had perhaps had a server crash, but checking on the archives indicates that correspondence has been taking place in the interim period. There hasn't been a problem at my end as I've been receiving e-mail from other quarters, so I really don't know what's been happening. Hopefully, I'll begin getting correspondence again soon. Regards, John Marchington. From: Nigbur D Date: Tue May 2, 2000 12:25 pm Subject: [tadream] D:Studio [Optical Race] =MARAKESH= As far as the - admittedly - fairly bland sounds and melodies on the album go, this is quite nice. I like the slow intro to the track, gradually introducing some of the ingredients that characterise this album (while also recurring in subsequent releases with notorious regularity): the familiar acoustic guitar/harpsichord sound plays a nice flowing melody, a rather harsh-sounding synth lead voice supplies some interjections, the tempo is changed quite often, and frequently without transition (I tend to regard this as a compositional experiment rather than a lack of subtlety - I quite like it). The melody appears a bit oriental. Not a bad start. 4AS doesn't seem to be too high. =ATLAS EYES= Seems like a logical continuation in the spirit of the opening track, even more energetic and insistent, with some rather eccentric rhythms. If TD were criticised in the 70s for over-using atmospheric whoooshes and warbles, the critics would be pleased to see that none of that is left here. Every single layer of sound is tightly bound to the melody and rhythm of the song, making it appear very stripped-down. Some people like it, some don't. I think it loses some of its appeal after repeated playing. 3AS. =MOTHERS OF RAIN= The frantic pace of 'Atlas Eyes' slows down again with this comparatively mellow track. Tom said that this was played on stage way before it was released on the album. This makes sense, since the style of composition on this track appears quite traditional. Extremely nice, although maybe not quite in tune with the rest of the album in terms of style. 4AS. =TWIN SOUL TRIBE= Enough has been said about this on many occasions. An improvisation for two synth voices on the motif of 'Ferry 'cross the Mersey', or at least it seems that way. Personally, I find it quite boring - 1AS. =OPTICAL RACE= This is the most dire little ditty ever perpetrated by our favourite band, and they should have known better. The only thing I like about this is the champagne-cork sound, for comical effect. With 1AS, I still feel generous. =CAT SCAN= It pays off not to give up on this album to soon. The sound is still very stripped down and the sequencing very tightly controlled (some may say mechanical), but the rhythms and melodies are actually quite creative. I get the impression that this is composed on the basis of the same system as Marrakesh - it sounds different, but has all the same ingredients in it, including the harsh sounds, samples, quick changes in tempo and rhythm, and some oriental-sounding effects. I still really like it to this day. A good 3AS. =SUN GATE= This track is the essence of the album, and would doubtlessly be a TD evergreen if the album as a whole had not been so extensively slated from all quarters (even though Paul Haslinger apparently claims it was the biggest-selling TD album in America). All the good things that could be glimpsed in some of the previous tracks are here too, and they are added to by the input of the guitar, some nice atmospheric bits, and a memorable melody. This song is breathtaking, and equally rewarding whether played loud or on low volume. 5AS here. =TURNING OFF THE WHEEL= I get the impression that this composition has revisited the scene in many guises since...I get the impression throughout that this really wants to be a bridge in the middle of a more extensive movement. For that purpose, it would be fantastic, but it stands up less well as a piece in its own right. 2AS. =THE MIDNIGHT TRAIL= If 'Mothers of Rain' departed from the generic spirit of the album by appearing traditional, this one stands out by seeming like a prelude to things to come in Melrose. It would have fitted in anywhere on the Melrose album with ease (and maybe to good effect). I'm not a big friend of Melrose, maybe because this piece and bits on 'Lily on the Beach' are very satisfying incarnations of the Melrose style already. I'll give it 4AS. =GHAZAL: LOVE SONG= Although the attempt to include some romance at the end of an otherwise fairly modern-sounding album was revisited with 'Cool at Heart' on Melrose, this remains - for me - the most moving and well-executed example of such an undertaking. The more quiet and mellow mood and the acoustic guitar blend in surprisingly well with the stripped-down approach (yes, I know I'm repeating myself, but I can find no better expression for it) of the album. It is a compositional feat to end the album on a mellow and deeply moving, but still upbeat note. A good 4AS, only because the 5AS spot is firmly claimed by Sun Gate. Overall, I think I agree with Tom in that this is not a bad album with the exception of some individual unfortunate inclusions. Had they been omitted, I think this album would be at least as good as 'Lily on the Beach' and 'Melrose'. Despite the more structured compositional approach, this album still has a lot of atmosphere to it, the various oriental tidbits making it ideal to listen to on a hot summer's day in an upbeat mood. Definitely no 'space music', though. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22326 Re: D:Studio [Optical Race] Gabe Yedid Fri 5/5/2000 6 KB 22349 Re: D:Studio [Optical Race] Jim Moore Sat 5/6/2000 2 KB 22354 Re: D:Studio [Optical Race] Gabe Yedid Sun 5/7/2000 3 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Tue May 2, 2000 12:29 pm Subject: Oracle of Bacon Ha! this is a great site. For instance, >The Oracle says: Toke Townley has an Edgar Froese number of 3. > >Toke Townley was in Look Back in Anger (1958) with Richard Burton >Richard Burton was in Steiner - Das eiserne Kreuz, 2. Teil (1978) >with Curd Jurgens >Curd Jurgens was in Warum die UFOs unseren Salat klauen (1980) with >Edgar Froese Who was Toke Townley? He played Annie Sugden's dad in _Emmerdale Farm_ (long-running British soap opera) up until 1984 . Amazing how connected the world is, innit? Glynn From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue May 2, 2000 1:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Optical Race] From: 'Nigbur D' > =OPTICAL RACE= > This is the most dire little ditty ever perpetrated by our favourite band, > and they should have known better. The only thing I like about this is the > champagne-cork sound, for comical effect. With 1AS, I still feel generous. Geez... can't a band ever have *fun*? - jim From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue May 2, 2000 1:22 pm Subject: D:[Studio] Optical race After having read two or three reviews of 'Optical race' it's good to know that I'm not the only one who thinks that 'Sun Gate' (the only composition by Ralf Wadephul) is the best track on that album. After getting 'Tyger' and 'Shy people' I was a bit worried about the musical direction my fave band had taken, but I was very pleased with 'Optical race' and after almost 12 years I still am. 'Mothers of rain' (which has been used the first time on TD's UK Tour in March 1986 as an encore)....this is one of my favourite TD tracks ever. I just love the way the drums are setting in halfway through the song, very powerful. I have to agree that the title track isn't very demanding and a bit too commercial. Maybe it was composed as a jingle for the 1988 North American tour, something catchy that should introduce TD to the American and Canadian audiences and which should grab the listener's attention (TD gave lots of radio interviews on their 1988 tour)...The longer I think about the 'Optical race' album as a whole I believe that this was TD's best effort for quite a while (not counting 'Melrose' which also is an excellent album). After Haslinger left the band TD's sound became much too commercial and exchangeable (Rockoon, 220 Volt live) and I lost interest in my fave group. This is not to say that I don't like albums like Rockoon, Turn of the Tides or Tyranny of Beauty. But (IMHO) they couldn't match the standard of older albums in terms of musical quality and compositorial strength. It wasn't until 'Oasis' was released that I re-discovered TD's great music again and I'm quite happy with most of the recent releases (not counting Sohoman & Soundmill Navigator, of course ;-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22242 Re: D:[Studio] Optical race Feldon Feldon Tue 5/2/2000 2 KB From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Tue May 2, 2000 2:04 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bacon/TD connection Neat! I occasionally consult the ORACLE in times of need... > -----Original Message----- > The Oracle says: Edgar Froese has a Bacon number of 3. > ... > Has anyone ever found out if the actor in the UFO movie is the same Edgar > Froese? > No idea... From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue May 2, 2000 3:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:[Studio] Optical race >From: Heiko Heerssen >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: 'tadream@o...' >Subject: [tadream] D:[Studio] Optical race >Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:22:19 +0200 > >After having read two or three reviews of 'Optical race' it's good to >know that I'm not the only one who thinks that 'Sun Gate' (the only >composition by Ralf Wadephul) is the best track on that album. I would have to agree about Sun Gate. After Haslinger left the band TD's sound became >much too commercial and exchangeable (Rockoon, 220 Volt live) and I lost >interest in my fave group. Actually, it was Haslinger joining the band that got them all enamored with late 80's-type percussion. yech! -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Tue May 2, 2000 3:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mike Oldfield/TD connection Hi James, 'Owens, James E' wrote: > > Okay, just for fun this is a sort of 3 Degrees of Kevin Bacon game. > What's the connection between TD and Mike Oldfield on the Hollywood side? > Ignore the fact that they both recorded on Virgin in the early 70s. Apart from the Hollywood connection there is another one. Both TD and MO recorded songs with Jon Anderson: 'Loved by the Sun' from the 'Legend' OST, and 'Shine' from 'Shine 12' single', respectively. Jorge Figueiredo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22246 Re: Mike Oldfield/TD connection Gustavo Jobim Tue 5/2/2000 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue May 2, 2000 4:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Bacon/TD connection what is this 'Warum die UFOs' movie all about, anyway? and what about that 'nevermind the bathroom, man' movie? from pre-1970? what was that about? joe > -----Original Message----- > From: tom807@a... [mailto:tom807@a...] > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 4:57 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Bacon/TD connection > > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue May 2, 2000 4:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Optical Race If you love Optical Race, delete this e-mail. --------------------------------------------- Optical Race .... by Paul Haslinger and Edgar Froese. 1) Marakesh. No positive or negative energy to speak of. I consider this a very weak track. It doesn't accomplish anything or impart any new ideas on the listener. Sequence from 6:45 to 7:15 was recycled ad nauseum in several other tracks. 2) Atlas Eyes Well, it's up-tempo and repetitive. Here's where we started the obsession with that 'Vocal' button on the keyboards. 3) Mothers Of Rain I know almost everyone loves this track. It's a slow Le Parc-like track, which picks up some rhythm at 2:00. A really good track, except of course that it doesn't evolve at all from 2:30 to the end. Overall too slow for me. 4) Twin Soul Tribe I swear I've heard this before. It's like game show suspense music when they are waiting for your answer. 5) Optical Race BLAHHHHHH! Oh my god. This sounds like one of those little demos that those $100 Casio keyboards have built-in. TD has thousands of dollars of equipment in their closet screaming 'use me!' but instead they put this out. 6) Cat Scan Optical Race did not abandon their pre-1987 style piecemeal, they did it one fell swoop. This track is not bad but it's hard to believe it is Tangerine Dream on first listen. Sounds more like a slowed-down promotional piece for an infomercial or soundtrack for a late 80's B movie. Arrrgh! Cheeseriffic at 2:45-3:00. 7) Sun Gate I have to say that this is the best track on the CD. The electric guitar helps out a LOT. Still, it marks the beginning of TD's decade long love affair with self-contained 5 minute 'songs'. 8) Turning off the Wheel Starts out pretty good, but TD has forgotten what makes a good sequence. Then it slowly gets more commercialized. The drums here don't contribute except to remind us that the old TD door was slammed shut after Livemiles. It is really the interleaving sequence lines here that help. One bass note is being hit over and over for 2 minutes, what's that all about? What happened to 2-12 note arpeggiators? 9) The Midnight Trail This track starts out with decent sequencing, although it's much weaker than we're used to. Then at 1:55, it breaks into what eventually was recycled for part of the Miracle Mile soundtrack. It's cheesy overly-melodic and over-percussioned upbeat stuff. Just to confuse us more, at 3:31, we completely change direction again, into a slow bridge-like piece that, were this still early 80's TD, would signify that we have left one musical idea and are waiting for the band to load up their instrument sounds and patches for the next song. Instead, this mellow bit plays for about 3 minutes and then fades out. I don't see this track as any more than an experiment in short-form pop music. 10) Ghazal (Love Song) Arrrrgh! Rescue me from Doogie Howser! Sequence is not terrible (and was recycled in other songs--which tends to happen when you try to crank out 4 releases a year), but the patch sounds like a $100 keyboard. Then we are shocked into a different piece with no warning or bridge at 2:25. With 7 different instrument sounds being added simultaneously. So we have completely broken all the rules of TD composing at this point. Around 4:00, the piece mellows back to what we started with and fades out inexplicably. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22247 Re: D: Optical Race Jared White Tue 5/2/2000 6 KB 22251 Re: D: Optical Race Gustavo Jobim Tue 5/2/2000 3 KB 22252 Re: D: Optical Race Marcel Engels Tue 5/2/2000 2 KB 22259 Re: D: Optical Race Gustavo Jobim Wed 5/3/2000 3 KB 22327 Re: D: Optical Race Gabe Yedid Fri 5/5/2000 3 KB 22255 Re: D: Optical Race Jim Moore Tue 5/2/2000 2 KB 22290 Re: D: Optical Race Jared White Wed 5/3/2000 2 KB 22256 D: Optical Race Dave Brewer Wed 5/3/2000 4 KB 22260 Re: Tron - [tadream] D: Optical Race Gustavo Jobim Wed 5/3/2000 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue May 2, 2000 4:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mike Oldfield/TD connection >Hi James, > >Apart from the Hollywood connection there is another one. Both TD and MO >recorded songs with Jon Anderson: 'Loved by the Sun' from the 'Legend' >OST, and 'Shine' from 'Shine 12' single', respectively. > >Jorge Figueiredo Also, Mike recorded 'In High Places' from the album 'Crises' with Jon Anderson. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: Jared White Date: Tue May 2, 2000 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Optical Race Hi, Feldon, I'll be writing my own review of Optical Race shortly, but I just have to respond to this first. > If you love Optical Race, delete this e-mail. > --------------------------------------------- Nah, I like getting riled up. :) > 3) Mothers Of Rain > > I know almost everyone loves this track. It's a slow Le Parc-like track, > which picks up some rhythm at 2:00. A really good track, except of course > that it doesn't evolve at all from 2:30 to the end. Overall too slow for me. Doesn't evolve? Man, you'd better go take another listen to some of those old 70's TD sequences you're so fond of. > 5) Optical Race > > BLAHHHHHH! Oh my god. This sounds like one of those little demos that those > $100 Casio keyboards have built-in. TD has thousands of dollars of equipment > in their closet screaming 'use me!' but instead they put this out. You really have a thing about Casio keyboards and TD, don't you. Might I remind you that TD often employed cheesy analog synth sounds in their earlier music, especially in the Schmoelling era. * Jared dodges rotten tomatoes.... > 7) Sun Gate > > I have to say that this is the best track on the CD. The electric guitar > helps out a LOT. Still, it marks the beginning of TD's decade long love > affair with self-contained 5 minute 'songs'. This track doesn't do much for me. The guitar is especially boring. Can't hold a candle to Jerome's guitar solo on that masterpiece on Rockoon called Big City Dwarves. > 8) Turning off the Wheel > > Starts out pretty good, but TD has forgotten what makes a good sequence. I guess you know better, eh? > Then it slowly gets more commercialized. The drums here don't contribute > except to remind us that the old TD door was slammed shut after Livemiles. > It is really the interleaving sequence lines here that help. One bass note > is being hit over and over for 2 minutes, what's that all about? What > happened to 2-12 note arpeggiators? Unlike some, TD prefers exploring new musical forms as their career evolves. 2-12 note arpeggiators do not a good album make. > 9) The Midnight Trail > > This track starts out with decent sequencing, although it's much weaker than > we're used to. And who's 'we'? > Then at 1:55, it breaks into what eventually was recycled for part of the > Miracle Mile soundtrack. It's cheesy overly-melodic and over-percussioned > upbeat stuff. This my favorite part of the album, and one of the most beautiful moments in TD history. Boy, you really have this problem with so-called cheesy TD music -- as if Force Majeure, Tangram, White Eagle, Le Parc, etc., etc. aren't FULL of cheesiness, if you want to put it that way. HA! Man, I gotta tell you -- the beginning of Force Majeure has got to be one of the CHEESIEST things TD has EVER done!!! It's lucky it doesn't last too long, or I'd probably never be able to STAND listening to it! (Oh, I guess I should have put the 'if you like Force Majeure, delete this e-mail' disclamer at the top...oh well...) > Just to confuse us more, at 3:31, we completely change direction again, into > a slow bridge-like piece that, were this still early 80's TD, would signify > that we have left one musical idea and are waiting for the band to load up > their instrument sounds and patches for the next song. Instead, this mellow > bit plays for about 3 minutes and then fades out. I don't see this track as > any more than an experiment in short-form pop music. Pop music? Are you really being serious here? > 10) Ghazal (Love Song) Expertly played and gorgeous. One of the most beautiful love songs I've ever heard. 'Nuff said. I don't claim Optical Race is overall a brilliant album. But I think it's a very fine album -- polished, classy, and amazingly good considering it was made right after TD's band member of 17 years (Chris Franke) had just left. At the very least, Optical Race beats the living daylights out of a few other TD albums I could name (and they AREN'T from the 90's). Welcome to TD's post-Franke era. Come on in, the water's fine! Regards, Jared Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22251 Re: D: Optical Race Gustavo Jobim Tue 5/2/2000 3 KB 22252 Re: D: Optical Race Marcel Engels Tue 5/2/2000 2 KB 22259 Re: D: Optical Race Gustavo Jobim Wed 5/3/2000 3 KB 22327 Re: D: Optical Race Gabe Yedid Fri 5/5/2000 3 KB From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Tue May 2, 2000 3:15 pm Subject: stories related to TD recordings > colin anderson wrote: > > > That's my story and lasting impression of Livemiles. Any more > > stories of what a td track or lp reminds you of? > Well, I have two. My first time listening to TD was a brief bit from Force Majeur (the 'rock' section, starting about 3:30 into the track). I had gone to a party at a guy's room in my dorm at college. I was the first to arrive (this was probably my first REAL party, since I'd never really been invited to anything like this during high school). Richard (the guy hosting) was making 'hunch punch' which looked very interesting. Owen (his friend, whom I'd met briefly the day before) showed up with a bottle of Everclear (95% pure grain alcohol - this stuff is as strong as it gets! - no flavor, just BURN) and his walkman with Force Majeur. After adding a VERY generous quantity of Everclear to the hunch punch, Richard breaks out some shots for us to 'slam'. Understand that I could practically drink all but the HOTTEST hot sauces at the time, so I wasn't expecting this to be any worse. So we slammed a few half-shots of Everclear. Let me tell you, it makes your throat feel like you've been screaming in a loud auditorium all day. But I did it anyway, and without tears. (Breathe in through the nose and out through the mouth...) Anyway, afterwards Owen hands me the walkman and says: 'listen to this, it's cool'. So TD music touches my ears the first time. WOW! It wasn't even the booze making it sound cool either. Later that evening I met the woman who would become my wife. (Of course I had my head in her roomate's lap at the time, but that's another story... Needless to say, it took awhile before she decided I wasn't a complete scum) The other story was in a different guy's room. Three or four of the Society of Creative Anachronism members were hanging out there and I joined them. After a little while, Tony (owner of the room) put Stratosfear on his record player. 'Wow' I thought. This is really cool stuff! He showed me the album cover and I was entranced (Love those Virgin years LP jackets!!!!). So anyway, I always think of Tony and the SCA guys when I hear that (now familiar) melody. Later that year, a guy across the hall from me loaned me 6 cassettes of TD: Stratosfear, Rubycon, Ricochet, Cyclone, Tangram, and Force Majeur. I've been avidly collecting ever since. James From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Tue May 2, 2000 6:17 pm Subject: Jon Anderson tie-ins (was: Mike Oldfield/TD connection) If we're going to talk Jon Anderson tie-ins: He's done songs with Vangelis, of course (several albums, plus singles, collections, etc. Vangelis even appeared on one of his albums) TD (Loved by the Sun) Kitaro (on the album 'Dream') Mike Oldfield (as listed below) and I'm sure there is, or will be, more. So Jon's really made the rounds in the 'new age' community! > -----Original Message----- > >Apart from the Hollywood connection there is another one. Both TD and MO > >recorded songs with Jon Anderson: 'Loved by the Sun' from the 'Legend' > >OST, and 'Shine' from 'Shine 12' single', respectively. > > Also, Mike recorded 'In High Places' from the album 'Crises' with Jon > Anderson. > From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Tue May 2, 2000 7:30 pm Subject: re.D;Studio[Optical Race] When I purchased this it was a great shock to see the absence of chris,a new recording label and diverser cover spelled a new direction for them.The shorter track formula worried me. Marakesh started off the album ok with its typical td sound,Atlas Eyes is plesant enough but the best track easily is mothers of rain not much else to say the title track is dreadful only cat scan and sun gate are just about acceptable the rest is poor.This cd concerned me a bit about the future of td I'M Just glad things improved with Lily on the Beach. Gary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22258 [Optical Race] Michael A Jean Wed 5/3/2000 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue May 2, 2000 9:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Optical Race > > > 5) Optical Race > > > > BLAHHHHHH! Oh my god. This sounds like one of those little demos that those > > $100 Casio keyboards have built-in. TD has thousands of dollars of equipment > > in their closet screaming 'use me!' but instead they put this out. > >You really have a thing about Casio keyboards and TD, don't you. Might I >remind you that TD often employed cheesy analog synth sounds in their earlier >music, especially in the Schmoelling era. The early 80s brought some really cheesy synth sounds. Jarre's 1981 Magnetic Fields album has the sounds of early digital synths. Nowadays it sounds really dated. (But the music is still unique.) Jobim playing Solaris - Nostradamus album, in MP3(just beginning to know this Hungarian band... fantastic progressive music here!!) Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue May 2, 2000 9:37 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D: Optical Race > From: Jared White [mailto:jwhite@s...] > > At the very least, Optical Race beats the living daylights out of > a few other > TD albums I could name (and they AREN'T from the 90's). > > Welcome to TD's post-Franke era. Come on in, the water's fine! For me it was about the last album I bought from TD... Had they done more music like LiveMiles then I would definitely bought it, but it was all 4 minutes music after that... Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels Email :mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22259 Re: D: Optical Race Gustavo Jobim Wed 5/3/2000 3 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Tue May 2, 2000 11:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Klaus Beschorner wrote: > due to work obligations I can't scan the record shops > for a copy of this mispressing (half GWoC) myself, but I'd like > to get one. What is the final word on this? Does it really exist? I've heard of many mispressings with different music, but as I recall, this has some new music? Hard to believe. Can someone that has any information about this release please post the track list (again?). Of course all hardcore collectors would want this, but I bet there are many more out there that we don't know about - just like the test pressings! Oh, and does anyone know about the 'Cat Scan' promo CD-5 mispressing and the 'special Tang-go' single CD release? :-) Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22261 Re: Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Gustavo Jobim Wed 5/3/2000 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue May 2, 2000 11:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD From: 'Vic Rek' > and the 'special Tang-go' single CD release? :-) I held this one in my hands and gave it away... - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22271 Re: Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD TDI - Martin K. Wed 5/3/2000 3 KB 22274 Re: Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Gabe Yedid Wed 5/3/2000 3 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 12:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Optical Race >From: 'Jared White' > I'll be writing my own review of Optical Race shortly, but I just have to > respond to this first. Generally when I feel the need to write a response, I wait for Jared's response to appear, and then I usually feel vindicated... Usually... - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22290 Re: D: Optical Race Jared White Wed 5/3/2000 2 KB From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 1:00 am Subject: D: Optical Race Okay, I need to add a couple of things about this album. Personally, I think it's a very good album. I might be biased since it was the first one I bought! I just like how some folks say TD started going 'commercial' with this album. When I first got it 10 years ago, I was fed up with the pop music scene. All that crap they were churning out on the radio was driving me nuts. There was some that I liked, but not much. When I was first exposed to TD through a friend who first bought the Legend soundtrack and then OR, I was transformed forever! I had heard electronic music before, mainly with Wendy Carlos' Tron soundtrack, which I still absolutely love, and eagerly await its issue onto CD. But after I first heard TD, my tastes in music really started to expand, like my mind was opening up more. TD was my escape from pop music. Today, I'm listening to stuff I would have never thought I would 10 years ago. I am proud that my roomate says I listen to strange music! :-) I just don't think that TD ever really got *that* commercial. Okay, they've come kinda close a couple of times, but I've never heard them on the pop radio, or seen them on MTV(music-less television). Have you? Anyway, I really like OR, even though it's sounding kinda dated. Mothers of Rain has got to be a TD classic, up there with the likes of Song of the Whale Pt2, Hyperborea, Cloudburst Flight, Ricochet Pt2, etc... I never tire of hearing this song. I also like Cat Scan, maybe because it shares some of the same chord progression as MoR. Sun Gate is also another of my favorites. Despite what most people think, I like Turning Off the Wheel. It reminds me of driving down a very long, straight road, where the scenery is constantly changing around it. I don't know where my destination is, but I turn off at the end of the song, and I'm where I wanted to go. I also like Ghazal very much, even though it has a more predictable chord progression. The sound and feeling is very nice; sweet, but not so sweet to make your teeth rot. It must have about the second longest fade-out in recorded music. (second only to Hey Jude, as far as I know) I also enjoy listening to the Spherical Harmonics CDs, they had some good live variations of the already-released material. And the unreleased stuff after the Logos part is just awesome! Dave B. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22260 Re: Tron - [tadream] D: Optical Race Gustavo Jobim Wed 5/3/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 1:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Optical Race >From: 'Dave Brewer' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: 'Tadream Mailing List' >Subject: [tadream] D: Optical Race >Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:00:49 -0700 > >I just like how some folks say TD started going 'commercial' with >this album. When I first got it 10 years ago, I was fed up with the pop >music scene. (snip) >I just don't think that TD ever really got *that* commercial. >Okay, they've come kinda close a couple of times, but I've never heard them >on the pop radio, or seen them on MTV(music-less television). Have you? I didn't say it was GOOD pop music or GOOD commercial music. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 1:59 am Subject: RE:[Optical Race] I didn't care much for the album at first either, but my opinion improved significantly after seeing them perform it live on the opening night of the 1988 US Tour. I think the 'Franke-shock' is another big reason there may be negative associations on the part of some folks. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Jenkins [mailto:hyperborea@c...] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 2:31 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] re.D;Studio[Optical Race] > > > When I purchased this it was a great shock to see the absence of > chris,a new recording label and diverser cover spelled a new > direction for them.The shorter track formula worried me. > Marakesh started off the album ok with its typical td sound,Atlas Eyes > is plesant enough but the best track easily is mothers of rain not > much else to say the title track is dreadful only cat scan and sun > gate are just about acceptable the rest is poor.This cd concerned me > a bit about the future of td I'M Just glad things improved with Lily > on the Beach. > Gary. > > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed May 3, 2000 2:17 am Subject: RE: [tadream] D: Optical Race >For me it was about the last album I bought from TD... >Had they done more music like LiveMiles then I would definitely >bought it, but it was all 4 minutes music after that... > >Marcel I don't see any problem in making 4-minute tracks. Let me give you some good examples (perhaps you'll disagree about the examples, but...): -White Eagle (4:30) -Twenty-Nine Palms (3:22) -Valley of the Kings (5:10) -Tiergarten (3:23) -Central Park (3:42) -even Le Parc (3:25) -The Big Sleep in Search of Hades (4:26) -in my opinion, Midnight in Tula (3:52) -Dolphin Dance (5:07) etc,etc,etc. The problem is not the length. It's the quality that matters. Maybe they should go on a vacation trip to some different places (like Patagonia, or the Amazon, or the Okefenokee swamp, ...), to try to get some inspiration from these places. Of course a lengthy track has its unique qualities, like the possibility of developing an atmosphere (Phaedra). However, and I wish any of the Froeses reads this, there's always the possibility of making Jarreish albums - one huge track split in several tracks, like Oxygene, Equinoxe, Oxygene 7-13, Chronologie. This can make very good effects. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed May 3, 2000 2:21 am Subject: Re: Tron - [tadream] D: Optical Race etcetcetc >I had heard electronic music before, mainly with >Wendy Carlos' Tron soundtrack, etc etc I had completely NO idea that Tron's soundtrack was by Wendy Carlos. Although I've never SEEN nor heard any of the WC albums, I really like that movie. Maybe someday I get this ST. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed May 3, 2000 2:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD >Oh, and does anyone know about the 'Cat Scan' promo CD-5 mispressing and >the 'special Tang-go' single CD release? :-) > >Vic There's also that extremely rare Rising Runner Missed by Endless Sender/Sunrise in the Third System 7' single, have you ever seen it? :) BTW, that would maybe be the longest combination of two track titles... Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed May 3, 2000 3:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Optical Race In a message dated 5/2/00 9:02:46 PM, feldon23@h... writes: >>I just don't think that TD ever really got *that* commercial. >>Okay, they've come kinda close a couple of times, but I've never heard them >>on the pop radio, or seen them on MTV(music-less television). Have you? > >I didn't say it was GOOD pop music or GOOD commercial music. Sorry for veering off topic here, but I don't think that argument makes much sense. Pop radio isn't exactly a quality-driven format. There's plenty of music out there that, despite being accessible and 'easy' enough for general consumption, is infinitely more original than the average nondescript pop single from the average nondescript pop band--and most of that music won't ever be heard on the radio, for reasons unrelated to quality. That's how I see it, anyway. :) --Daniel NP: G3 Live in Concert From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue May 2, 2000 9:06 pm Subject: music this week Been listening to My Kingdom and We are Explosive CD singles by Future Sound of London. The remixes are just great. Also been listening to Loop Guru Duniya and Third Chamber. A friend first gave me Klaus Schulze Dark Side of the Moog, one of the early volumes and Third Chamber together but with no listings so I hadn't got a clue what I was listening to. Finally I figured it out, but they both appealed which is good. I saw Loop Guru play live a year or two ago. It was a great experience, lots of percussion, ethnic wailing and layers of sounds. The tracks go on for ages, quite hypnotic. If you get a chance, go see. I didn't review Livemiles. I have been playing it. If it was a choice between Livemiles or Tyger I would chose Livemiles everytime. I like the anthem track near to the end of side 1. Yes I have a got on vinyl still. I turned it over to play the other side and my 12 year old looked at me in disbelief. 'They have 2 sides?' 'Yes dear....CD's are on one side...vinyl mostly on two' I never really thought how confusing vinyl could be to someone who hasn't been brought up with it. It was great reading peoples memories of the Alberquerque and Berlin concerts. I've also been listening to Thompson Twins - The Singles. It was an Easter present from the family. No I wasn't at Alberquerque or Berlin but I am on the Thompson Twins Official Live Video ! That's a different story. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: jjoy Date: Wed May 3, 2000 5:11 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Optical Race] Here's my review... Overall the album sounds quite overbright. The high frequency range is overloaded. Too much harpsichordy and music box-like sounds, combined to loads of synth vocal timbres, together with complex clock-ticking subdivisions of rhythm patterns, in a Baroque fashion, everywhere. The songs seem rigid and overstructured - there's no space left for a flourish or incidental sound effect. Besides all of this, I like the album very much, especially because it sounded like nothing else at that time, even Franke-era stuff. It sounds still fresh to me and has a light touch. 1. Marakesh - This has boring start and ending, but evolves toward some interesting things at mid-piece. Its most interesting feature is the ternary rhythm, which is heard only in Haslinger-era compositions. Edgar just never composes like that. The 'oriental' spice in the music is so misleading as the 'Chinese' bits in GWOC. 2. Atlas Eyes - An introspective piece, with elegant and rich chords taken to good effect. Oriental-inspired percussion hints at Haslinger's tastes again. The main theme is somewhat dull and overly repetitive. 3. Mothers of Rain - A true classic, it contains deep poignancy and sentiment in its simple melody. The supernatural-sounding whistle is marvelous and it's a pity it wasn't used more often. Has some of the atmosphere of Tyger. Franke could well have helped in the composition. 4. Twin Soul Tribe - Doesn't do much for me. Has nice sounds but it's directionless, not much more than an extended vignette. 5. Optical Race - Ridiculous piece that contentrates all the bad aspects of 'Destination Berlin', in a similar fashion to how Sojus concentrates all that I dislike in some of Jerome's dance pieces. 6. CAT Scan - Somewhat similar to MoR, with the same sense of drama and nice notes in the acoustic guitar, but ends up in a cheesy-sounding comment (2:41 to 3:00) that mars the mood of the track. 7. Sun Gate - The least typical-TD-sounding piece that, except for the load of new sounds, would not be out of place in Le Parc. I like the slow, cold guitar solo. 8. Turning Off The Wheel - When I bought the album I just could not understand this piece. It's a typical Edgar rambling that starts with vocals much in the same manner as Phaedra, gains percussion but goes nowhere from there. It could be a great start to a longer track. In this form it's almost a waste. For its simplicity, it strongly resembles parts of the Miracle Mile sountrack. 9. The Midnight Trail - The first minutes could well be named '21th Century Common Man Part 3'. It shares the same atmosphere. But at 1:59 it changes to new pattern with interesting drumming. The ending part (3:26) sounds like a new version of the ethereal, haunting bridge at the end of Tangram. I like to think of the abrupt change as representing a sudden spiritual revelation, with those resolute, peaceful major chords. A very intriguing sound effect appears in this part (for example, at 4:59); I really would like to know what instrument is that. 10. Ghazal - This ballad is not exactly what I usually expect of TD, but I respect it. The bit from 2:49 to 3:22 is very moving. I think the sounds used are somewhat too hard or dull for that kind of music; the band's timbre palette at that time was too homogeneous and restricted (Melrose fixes that). jjoy From: 'teiwaz _' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 5:52 am Subject: re: recorded songs with Jon Anderson >Both TD and MO >recorded songs with Jon Anderson: 'Loved by the Sun' from the 'Legend' >OST This is not completely true--as TD did not record 'Loved by the Sun' 'WITH' Jon Anderson. The record company added Jon after TD turned over the master tapes. Edgar was quite upset. --Thomas np Lynyrd Skynyrd 'Working for MCA' ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 8:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Vic, you can read about the history of the mispressed Mars Polaris CD on the TDI site. No new music on it. It was intended to be a compilation CD of MP and GWoC but then TDI decided to extend this compilation project and that is how Tan-go came to be. (Un)fortunately the 'masterdisc' (or whatsitsname) was not destroyed by the manufacturer... Pal- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Klaus Beschorner wrote: > due to work obligations I can't scan the record shops > for a copy of this mispressing (half GWoC) myself, but I'd like > to get one. What is the final word on this? Does it really exist? I've heard of many mispressings with different music, but as I recall, this has some new music? Hard to believe. Can someone that has any information about this release please post the track list (again?). Of course all hardcore collectors would want this, but I bet there are many more out there that we don't know about - just like the test pressings! Oh, and does anyone know about the 'Cat Scan' promo CD-5 mispressing and the 'special Tang-go' single CD release? :-) Vic ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get paid for the stuff you know! Get answers for the stuff you don’t. And get $10 to spend on the site! http://click.egroups.com/1/2200/3/_/24785/_/957310614/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 8:41 am Subject: Re: D:Live [Livemiles] >>> colin anderson Livemiles was released at the time I was working with – I'd better not say – back in the uk. The company had this idea that it'd better start a management succession programme [...] >>> That was the most bizarre TD 'review' I have ever read :) But well, the story is part of the TD world we are all living in ... hehehe And I guess I wouldn't survive a management survival course without a walkman and a TD tape... From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 8:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Optical Race >> > BLAHHHHHH! Oh my god. This sounds like one of those little demos that those >> > $100 Casio keyboards have built-in. TD has thousands of dollars of equipment >> > in their closet screaming 'use me!' but instead they put this out. I think that one above was originally by Morgan. I will post my review of OR later on, but right now I want to say that if you are a musician and you want your music to be varied, you should use the '$100 Casio' reminescent sounds too. You have to experiment. (But I must say that a $100 Casio sounds different from OR). >Jobim playing Solaris - Nostradamus album, in MP3(just beginning to know this Hungarian band... fantastic progressive music here!!) A superb band. Very unique. I can recommend it to everyone. Jobim, have you tried The Martian Cronicles or the double live album they recorded in LA in 1994? Pal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22286 Re: Solaris Gustavo Jobim Wed 5/3/2000 3 KB 22291 Re: Solaris [NO TD content whatsoever] Andrew Rozsa Thu 5/4/2000 2 KB From: Nigbur D Date: Wed May 3, 2000 9:40 am Subject: RE: [tadream] D: Optical Race > ---------- > From: Jared White[SMTP:jwhite@s...] > Reply To: tadream@egroups.com > Sent: 02 May 2000 18:32 > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Optical Race > > This track doesn't do much for me. The guitar is especially boring. Can't > hold a candle to Jerome's guitar solo on that masterpiece on Rockoon > called > Big City Dwarves. > Without trying to deter you from adopting your own point of view, what makes the guitar solo on Sun Gate more memorable for me than the admittedly superb guitar work on 'Big City Dwarves' is the music around it. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22288 Re: D:Studio [Optical Race] Jared White Wed 5/3/2000 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed May 3, 2000 9:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Optical Race In a message dated 5/3/2000 9:41:26 AM !!!First Boot!!!, D.Nigbur@r... writes: << Without trying to deter you from adopting your own point of view, what makes the guitar solo on Sun Gate more memorable for me than the admittedly superb guitar work on 'Big City Dwarves' is the music around it. Dennis>> *That's an excellent point Dennis. Context is vital to ANY solo... Poly From: 'TDI - Martin K.' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 9:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD At 19:48 02.05.00 -0400, you wrote: >From: 'Vic Rek' >> and the 'special Tang-go' single CD release? :-) > >I held this one in my hands and gave it away... > >- jim Jim, what´s this misinformation? There never was any different version of Tang- Go. It was always a double CD (and believe me, I should know) and always the same version as is now available in the shops. If you indeed had a copy of a ''special Tang- Go' single CD release' in your hands, it must have been something illegal ... and then I´d like to lay hands on this item myself, too. Any more details about this are highly appreciated. Please e-mail me privately. Just keeping you informed... Best regards, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22274 Re: Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Gabe Yedid Wed 5/3/2000 3 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 1:58 pm Subject: Fw: [tadream] Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Here is my response to Martin. Again, my apologies to both TDI and any hardcore collectors I got frothing at the mouth... - jim ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jim Moore' To: Cc: 'Vic Rek' Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD > From: 'TDI - Martin K.' > > > >I held this one in my hands and gave it away... > > >what´s this misinformation? There never was any different version of Tang- > >Go. It was always a double CD (and believe me, I should know) and always > >the same version as is now available in the shops. If you indeed had a copy > >of a ''special Tang- Go' single CD release' in your hands, it must have > >been something illegal ... and then I´d like to lay hands on this item > >myself, too. Any more details about this are highly appreciated. Please > >e-mail me privately. > >Just keeping you informed... > > Sorry, Martin. The 'Tang-Go Single CD Version' was, in fact, was one of the > copies of Tang-Go that > you sent to Vic Rek for the Okeefenokee gathering with one of the CD's > unintentionally left out of > the case. I was at Vic's this weekend to pick my copy up, and when I opened > the shrink-wrap, I > noticed that there was only one CD in the 2CD case; the first CD was missing > (Vic immediately swapped > it for a copy with two CD's). Vic and I had a good laugh in the idea that > some hard-core collectors would > be interested in getting this 'rare' release, and the private joke continued > onto the list... > > Again, I apologize for the confusion and concern caused to all (I'm already > getting requests from > said 'collectors'). > > With your permission, I'll post this explanation to the tadream list. > > - jim > From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed May 3, 2000 2:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Optical Race On Tue, 2 May 2000, Feldon Feldon wrote: > 6) Cat Scan > > Optical Race did not abandon their pre-1987 style piecemeal, they did it one > fell swoop. This track is not bad but it's hard to believe it is Tangerine > Dream on first listen. Sounds more like a slowed-down promotional piece for > an infomercial or soundtrack for a late 80's B movie. Arrrgh! Cheeseriffic > at 2:45-3:00. Didn't this one turn up in the soundtrack for 'Tango and Cash', which is just such a movie? ;) cheers, Gabe From: Gabe Yedid Date: Wed May 3, 2000 2:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD On Wed, 3 May 2000, TDI - Martin K. wrote: > Jim, > > what´s this misinformation? There never was any different version of Tang- > Go. It was always a double CD (and believe me, I should know) and always > the same version as is now available in the shops. If you indeed had a copy > of a ''special Tang- Go' single CD release' in your hands, it must have > been something illegal ... and then I´d like to lay hands on this item > myself, too. Any more details about this are highly appreciated. Please > e-mail me privately. > > Just keeping you informed... > > > Best regards, > > Martin K. Martin... it was a JOKE!!!! Why is there anything illegal about a good laugh? You've obviously not been privy to any of the stories about how certain individuals on the list claim to have held an LP copy of the soundtrack to 'The Keep' that was supposedly released all the way back in 1984... cheers, Gabe From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 2:56 pm Subject: Sale Of Used CDs Hi all I have a list of about 30 used CDs for sale, mostly rock and a few electronic music CDs. If interested pls contact me privately for the sales list. Jeffrey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22299 Re: Sale Of Used CDs Frank Arellano Thu 5/4/2000 2 KB From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 3:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD >You've obviously not been privy to any of the stories about how certain >individuals on the list claim to have held an LP copy of the soundtrack to >'The Keep' that was supposedly released all the way back in 1984... That was a joke too then ? LOL. I KNEW IT. ;-) From: Joel Mullen Date: Wed May 3, 2000 3:59 pm Subject: Tang-Go *promo* On Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:58 AM, Jim Moore [SMTP:moxica@m...] wrote: > Here is my response to Martin. Again, my apologies to both TDI and > any hardcore collectors I got frothing at the mouth... > > - jim Well, *I* fell for it that is for sure. I sent private e-mails to both Vic and Jim..... :-D I guess when it comes to collecting TD nothing surprises me. Plus I still believe that there has to be a *real* Tang-Go promo out there as I doubt that any promo would have all the barcodes and catalog numbers on it. Unless the decision to make it a normal release came pre-production of any advance copies. Martin, is that the case? Regards, Joel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22278 Re: Tang-Go *promo* TDI - Martin K. Wed 5/3/2000 3 KB 22284 Re: Tang-Go *promo* Joel Mullen Wed 5/3/2000 3 KB From: 'TDI - Martin K.' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tang-Go *promo* >Well, *I* fell for it that is for sure. I sent private e-mails to both Vic and Jim..... :-D > >I guess when it comes to collecting TD nothing surprises me. Plus I still >believe that there has to be a *real* Tang-Go promo out there as I doubt that >any promo would have all the barcodes and catalog numbers on it. Unless >the decision to make it a normal release came pre-production of any advance >copies. Martin, is that the case? > >Regards, > >Joel Hi Joel, and all other collectors, it´s quite easy: since our initial orders at the manufacturing plant are not as big as those of, for instance, a major label, it is not economical for us to produce separate promo versions of the releases. The latter would involve producing separate covers and label prints which is too expensive unless you are going to send out 1000´s of promos, which we do not usually do. You should not forget that we are a small label, after all. This is why we do not produce separate promo editions. We just stamp holes through the barcodes and put 'promotional use only' stickers on the front. This might prevent some diehards here from a futile hunt for phantoms... ;-) Best regards, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: Felna Greymane Date: Wed May 3, 2000 6:12 pm Subject: RE: D: Optical Race I have to put my $.02 in on this. I REALLY miss the long tracks. Gone are the days (apparently) that I can get a TD album and expect to 'get lost' in a track. This is a real loss. Yes I like a lot of the short tracks, but I much prefer to listen to one long piece. For this reason more than any other I like their concert material better than the commercial stuff. When someone talks about TD being commercialized, altho their style HAS leaned in the pop direction, to me it mean the shorter tracks. Gustavo, every one of the tracks could have been made better by extending them out. Making them part of a theme in a larger piece of music...IMO of course. At 08:17 AM 5/3/2000 -0000, you wrote: >>For me it was about the last album I bought from TD... >>Had they done more music like LiveMiles then I would definitely >>bought it, but it was all 4 minutes music after that... >> >>Marcel > >I don't see any problem in making 4-minute tracks. Let me give you some good examples (perhaps you'll disagree about the examples, but...): > >-White Eagle (4:30) >-Twenty-Nine Palms (3:22) >-Valley of the Kings (5:10) >-Tiergarten (3:23) >-Central Park (3:42) >-even Le Parc (3:25) >-The Big Sleep in Search of Hades (4:26) >-in my opinion, Midnight in Tula (3:52) >-Dolphin Dance (5:07) > >etc,etc,etc. > >The problem is not the length. It's the quality that matters. Maybe they should go on a vacation trip to some different places (like Patagonia, or the Amazon, or the Okefenokee swamp, ...), to try to get some inspiration from these places. > >Of course a lengthy track has its unique qualities, like the possibility of developing an atmosphere (Phaedra). However, and I wish any of the Froeses reads this, there's always the possibility of making Jarreish albums - one huge track split in several tracks, like Oxygene, Equinoxe, Oxygene 7-13, Chronologie. This can make very good effects. > >Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... >http://gfjm.cjb.net Jeff Stevenson greymane@k... Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: Steven Feldman Date: Wed May 3, 2000 3:21 pm Subject: TDI, MARS POLARIS and THE KEEP, Oh My: Well, Hardy Har Har! >Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:33:54 +0200 >Subject: Re: [tadream] Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD >From: tadream@egroups.com >Really-From: 'Szatmari, Pal' > >Vic, > >you can read about the history of the mispressed Mars Polaris CD on the >TDI site. No new music on it. It was intended to be a compilation CD of >MP and GWoC but then TDI decided to extend this compilation project and >that is how Tan-go came to be. (Un)fortunately the 'masterdisc' (or >whatsitsname) was not destroyed by the manufacturer... That makes this the *second* time such has happened with a not- meant-for-commercial-release-but-it-was-pressed-nonetheless item related to our fave raves Tangerine Dream. Maybe *now*, while the incident is still fresh, some of you naysayers (re the 1984 KEEP LP) will put two and two together. >Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:35:44 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: [tadream] Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD >From: tadream@egroups.com >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > >On Wed, 3 May 2000, TDI - Martin K. wrote: > >>Jim, >> >>what's this misinformation? There never was any different version of >>Tang-Go. It was always a double CD (and believe me, I should know) and >>always the same version as is now available in the shops. If you indeed >>had a copy of a ''special Tang- Go' single CD release' in your hands, >>it must have been something illegal ... and then I'd like to lay hands >>on this item myself, too. Any more details about this are highly >>appreciated. Please e-mail me privately. >> >>Just keeping you informed... [interesting word choice -- S.F.] > > Who the hell is Bull Shannon (if it's a sports figure, that would explain why I don't know -- or care)? >Martin... > >it was a JOKE!!!! Why is there anything illegal about a good laugh? > >You've obviously not been privy to any of the stories about how certain >individuals on the list claim to have held an LP copy of the soundtrack >to 'The Keep' that was supposedly released all the way back in 1984... First, they're not stories: they're true. Second, they're not claims, but testimonials. Just because no one in fandom has come forward with one, and the official oops-we-f***ed-up partyline response from Edgar and Company is to say, 'no such thing ever existed,' does not negate the fact that the album exists. I held one in my hands, as have several other folks (five of us, in total) online. >Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:45:03 +0100 >Subject: Re: [tadream] Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD >From: tadream@egroups.com >Really-From: 'Jens Peschke' > >>You've obviously not been privy to any of the stories about how certain >>individuals on the list claim to have held an LP copy of the soundtrack >>to 'The Keep' that was supposedly released all the way back in 1984... > >That was a joke too then ? >LOL. I KNEW IT. ;-) Well, hardy har har. Names are being taken, and when the day of reckoning (when someone procures the KEEP LP and trumpets that fact to the small and ever-shrinking World of TD Fanboys) is at hand, you will be reminded of your blasphemous heresies, infidel! No smiley! :( ;) Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. SOME CURRENT E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Node, Ozrics, Serrie +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. FIVE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22282 Re: TDI, MARS POLARIS and THE KEEP, Oh My: Well, Jens Peschke Wed 5/3/2000 2 KB 22283 Re: TDI, MARS POLARIS and THE KEEP, Oh My: Well, Joel Mullen Wed 5/3/2000 3 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 4:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D: [Optical Race] not D: Optical Race a good number of posts on Optical Race, but would you please format your subjects with the ' [ ] ' brackets? this way, someone in the future (maybe you) can look up all the review references to Optical Race with the search term '[Optical Race]'. We use this format for all the reviews. I know I'm being a little anal, but it will make it better in the long run. thanks, joe From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 5:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI, MARS POLARIS and THE KEEP, Oh My: Well, Hardy Har Har! > Names are being taken, and when the day of > reckoning (when someone procures the KEEP LP and trumpets that fact to > the small and ever-shrinking World of TD Fanboys) is at hand, you will > be reminded of your blasphemous heresies, infidel! No smiley! :( ;) It doesn't take much to wake you up, methinx! ;-) Cheers Jens From: Joel Mullen Date: Wed May 3, 2000 4:27 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI, MARS POLARIS and THE KEEP, Oh My: Well, Hardy Har Har! On Wednesday, May 03, 2000 10:21 AM, Steven Feldman [SMTP:ar402004@b...] wrote: > >Really-From: Gabe Yedid > > > > Who the hell is Bull Shannon (if it's a sports figure, that would > explain why I don't know -- or care)? > Bull Shannon is the tall bald guy on the TV show 'Night Court' He is always doing something stupid or coming to some sort of realization that requires a self-inflicted open-palm smack to forhead. Say..... Didn't Edgar himself make a guest appearance on 'Night Court', the one where Dan was hitting on all the women, being obnoxious and there was that big mis-understanding that got resolved while everyone was taken hostage by some nut? I think he wound up out on the ledge of the building while Harry talked him down.... Or maybe I am thinking of the time that Edgar was on Gilligan's Island and they almost got back to civilization, but Gilligan screwed it all up. Correct me if I am wrong ;-) Joel From: Joel Mullen Date: Wed May 3, 2000 4:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tang-Go *promo* On Wednesday, May 03, 2000 11:05 AM, TDI - Martin K. [SMTP:manager@t...] wrote: > This is why we do not produce separate promo editions. We just stamp holes > through the barcodes and put 'promotional use only' stickers on the front. Martin- That makes perfect sense, I am sure we can all understand the reasoning behind not making special promo editions. I think the confusion in this case was that Tang-Go was described by TDI as an item that was originally made for promotional reasons and then it was decided to make it a general release. Quite different than say, and advance copy of Sohoman or something like that where an initial run of the official release (with all the bar-codes etc) might be modified with punches and stickers to be used as a promotional copy. In the mind of a collector the scenario in Tang-Go's release would have very likely resulted in some type of difference in at least the first run. Even if all the music is the same. Perhaps a slightly different cover, no barcodes and different printing on the CD itself. Even the copies of Great Wall of China that came with the first Millennium boosters were different than in later boosters as they had the cover with the white boarder on it. It doesn't take much to get us going (well, some of us anyway) Regards, Joel From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 8:56 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] TDI, MARS POLARIS and THE KEEP, Oh My: Well, Hardy Har Har! I ones went to a second hand shop asking for the keep, and the shop-owner said that he had it a couple of years ago, but that he hadn't seen it since. This was back in 90-91 I think. Why would a shop-owner claim to have had one in his shop, if it were not true, I mean whats the point. > >You've obviously not been privy to any of the stories about how certain > >individuals on the list claim to have held an LP copy of the soundtrack > >to 'The Keep' that was supposedly released all the way back in 1984... > > First, they're not stories: they're true. > Second, they're not claims, but testimonials. > Just because no one in fandom has come forward with one, and the > official oops-we-f***ed-up partyline response from Edgar and Company is > to say, 'no such thing ever existed,' does not negate the fact that the > album exists. I held one in my hands, as have several other folks (five > of us, in total) online. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22310 Sv: [tadream] TDI, MARS POLARIS and THE KEEP, Oh Pergamon Fri 5/5/2000 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed May 3, 2000 5:26 pm Subject: Re: Solaris > >Jobim playing Solaris - Nostradamus album, in MP3(just beginning to know >this Hungarian band... fantastic progressive music here!!) > >A superb band. Very unique. I can recommend it to everyone. Jobim, have you >tried The Martian Cronicles or the double live album they recorded in LA in >1994? > >Pal Not yet. I could get these albums fairly easily, but they're a bit expensive at the moment - I have some other musical priorities now. Next Saturday I'll see if I go downtown. There's a street market there (but organized in a shopping center way) where I can usually find otherwise hard-to-find CDs, and they're usually less expensive than in regular stores. I've seen Marsbéli Krónikák there weeks ago, maybe it's still there... Jobim, np the whole Wakeman's 6 Wives of Henry VII (I've heard bits of it before). Nice, but not my favourite album. The best track so far seems to be Catherine Howard. Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22291 Re: Solaris [NO TD content whatsoever] Andrew Rozsa Thu 5/4/2000 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed May 3, 2000 9:24 pm Subject: See you soon Hello dreamers! I'll have to switch to No Mail mode for some months. This year, I'll have an exam to go to college (and it's a tough one). I'm going to try a few different universities, so I'll have (at least, I'll try) to study really hard from now on. These exams have two phases, and one of them starts May/21st. I'll try to get back to the list still in this year. Wish me good luck! Jobim Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: 'Jared White' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 11:51 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Optical Race] > -----Original Message----- > From: Nigbur D [mailto:D.Nigbur@r...] > > > ---------- > > From: Jared White[SMTP:jwhite@s...] > > > > This track doesn't do much for me. The guitar is especially > boring. Can't > > hold a candle to Jerome's guitar solo on that masterpiece on Rockoon > > called > > Big City Dwarves. > > > Without trying to deter you from adopting your own point of > view, what makes > the guitar solo on Sun Gate more memorable for me than the > admittedly superb > guitar work on 'Big City Dwarves' is the music around it. I used to like Sun Gate a *lot* in the past, but this time around listening to it I thought it just didn't have the spark of brilliance that many other short modern TD tracks with guitar solos have that I'm now familiar with. I personally really like the music on Big City Dwarves, as I think it captures the true strength of Jerome's compositional style in many ways. He wouldn't go on to compose another piece of this caliber until Firetongues, IMHO. But, hey, if you like Sun Gate, that's totally fine with me! I was just having a blast being almost completely contrary to Morgan's review (sorry I called you Feldon, Morgan -- my mistake!) because I had almost the opposite opinion of practically everything he said! In fact, while I'm at it, I think Optical Race is WA-A-AY better than Lily on the Beach, and Melrose only surpasses OR in my mind when I'm in the mood for pretty mellow TD. :) Jared, the Renegade TD Fan From: Vic Rek Date: Wed May 3, 2000 11:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Hello Pal! Thanks for the information. Seems like a resembelence to the 'Wavelength' LP we traded. Well, anyway I'm curious to see one. I'l be in Poland next week... Vic Szatmari, Pal wrote: > > Vic, > > you can read about the history of the mispressed Mars Polaris CD on the TDI > site. No new music on it. It was intended to be a compilation CD of MP and > GWoC but then TDI decided to extend this compilation project and that is how > Tan-go came to be. (Un)fortunately the 'masterdisc' (or whatsitsname) was > not destroyed by the manufacturer... > > Pal- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Klaus Beschorner wrote: > > due to work obligations I can't scan the record shops > > for a copy of this mispressing (half GWoC) myself, but I'd like > > to get one. > > What is the final word on this? Does it really exist? I've heard of > many mispressings with different music, but as I recall, this has some > new music? Hard to believe. Can someone that has any information about > this release please post the track list (again?). Of course all hardcore > collectors would want this, but I bet there are many more out there that > we don't know about - just like the test pressings! > > Oh, and does anyone know about the 'Cat Scan' promo CD-5 mispressing and > the 'special Tang-go' single CD release? :-) > > Vic > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get paid for the stuff you know! > Get answers for the stuff you don’t. And get $10 to spend on the site! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2200/3/_/24785/_/957310614/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get paid for the stuff you know! > Get answers for the stuff you don’t. And get $10 to spend on the site! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2200/3/_/24785/_/957343787/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22302 Re[2]: [tadream] Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed Bag Thu 5/4/2000 2 KB 22313 Re: Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Michael Kupczyk Fri 5/5/2000 2 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 11:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D: Optical Race Hi, Jim, > >From: 'Jared White' > > I'll be writing my own review of Optical Race shortly, but > I just have to > > respond to this first. > > Generally when I feel the need to write a response, I wait for Jared's > response to > appear, and then I usually feel vindicated... > > Usually... Hey, start feeling more need and less vindication! I need more supporters! Don't let me take the brunt of anti-post-Franke TD debates! :) TTFN, Jared From: Andrew Rozsa Date: Thu May 4, 2000 1:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Solaris [NO TD content whatsoever] At 14:26 5/3/00 -0300, Gustavo wrote: >>A superb band. Very unique. I can recommend it to everyone. Jobim, have you >>tried The Martian Cronicles or the double live album they recorded in LA in >>1994? >> >>Pal > >Not yet. I could get these albums fairly easily, but they're a bit expensive at the moment - I have some other musical priorities now. Next Saturday I'll if you want to explore and finances permit...if you see anything by After Crying, don't let it pass you by. If you like Prog you will find 'De Profundis' or '6'..... as a matter of fact, anything by them, utterly enjoyable. Their early pianist (Vedres Csaba) formed Townscream.... 'Nagyvarosi Ikonok' is brilliant, even if you don't understand Hungarian. You won't regret discovering these guys. Andrew From: Chris Richards Date: Thu May 4, 2000 4:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 487 <> Word of advice: if you see it on CD, it's a bootleg. I don't think a CD has been issued on that one yet, though I imagine Wendy is working on it. BTW, if you've never heard any of Wendy's albums, I strongly suggest you get the Clockwork Orange soundtrack, which was recently reissued on East Side Digital. Don't confuse this with the release Warner Bros put out. The Warners album has a few Wendy tracks (including a truncated version of Timesteps, one of her great masterpieces) along with several non-Carlos tracks that were used in the movie. The ESD disc has the unedited version of Timesteps and virtually everything she composed for the movie, including a few things got left out. Another favorite is Sonic Seasonings, and I also believe there's a boxset of all of her Bach recordings (ie Switched On Bach, Switched On Brandenburgs, etc). NP: Rory Gallagher 'Cruise On Out' (BBC Sessions) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Wed May 3, 2000 11:22 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] TDI, MARS POLARIS and THE KEEP, Oh My: Well, Hardy Har Har! >I ones went to a second hand shop asking for the keep, and the shop-owner said that he had it a couple of >years ago, but that he hadn't seen it since. This was back in 90-91 I think. >Why would a shop-owner claim to have had one in his shop, if it were not true, I mean whats the point. Shop owners or shop clerks often claim to have had records in stock, just to make you (the customer) more interested in the shop and get a better impression. They think the customer will think 'since they had it before maybe I will come back another time and see what else they may have'. It doesnt sound good if they tell the truth and it sounds like 'no, we never had it in and we dont care to have it because nobody except two geeks like you ask for it'. Trust me, I worked in a music shop so I know how these people try to impress customers. Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Stuff www.folkvord.net/jarrestuff Emusic http://w3.to/_emusic From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu May 4, 2000 5:30 am Subject: NP Quinoa Just wanted to say that I almost forgot how nice Quinoa is. I've been listening to it this week and would have to incude it with Tournado, Mars Polaris and 220 Volt as among my favorite of TD's in the nineties, Thanks Edgar. Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22295 Re: NP Quinoa Synthhtnys@a... Thu 5/4/2000 2 KB 22305 Re: NP Quinoa Jared White Thu 5/4/2000 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu May 4, 2000 9:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] NP Quinoa In a message dated 5/4/2000 5:26:22 AM !!!First Boot!!!, farellano@s... writes: << to incude it with Tournado, Mars Polaris and 220 Volt as among my favorite of TD's in the nineties, Thanks Edgar. Frank Arellano >> *I have to say that I've been surprised at how much I like Mars Polaris. It's been very high in my rotation lately... No it's not comparable to the visionary works like Rubycon, Stratosfear... whatever... BUT I'd personally put it up with Exit, or Le Parc ... if that comparison means anything ... Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22305 Re: NP Quinoa Jared White Thu 5/4/2000 2 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Thu May 4, 2000 9:35 am Subject: 4-minute music > Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:37:28 +0200 > From: 'Marcel Engels' >Subject: RE: D: Optical Race > >> From: Jared White [mailto:jwhite@s...] >> >> At the very least, Optical Race beats the living daylights out of >> a few other >> TD albums I could name (and they AREN'T from the 90's). >> >> Welcome to TD's post-Franke era. Come on in, the water's fine! > >For me it was about the last album I bought from TD... >Had they done more music like LiveMiles then I would definitely >bought it, but it was all 4 minutes music after that... > >Marcel >Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels >Email :mengels@w... _Livemiles_ also contains its fair share of 4 minute tracks (particularly part 1). It's just that they happen to segue into one- another. If the Spice Girls were to release an album of songs glued together with ham-fisted bridge passages, would it have sufficient gravitas for you? ;-) Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22297 Re: 4-minute music Feldon Feldon Thu 5/4/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu May 4, 2000 12:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 4-minute music >From: 'Glynn Naughton' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] 4-minute music >Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:35:22 -0000 > > >_Livemiles_ also contains its fair share of 4 minute tracks >(particularly part 1). It's just that they happen to segue into one- >another. I've already covered this in my review of Livemiles. Yes, the length of the tracks matters to me. But the musical content itself also matters. When we mention length, it's not cut and dried. Oh, this track is 4 minutes so it sucks. That's not the case. However, by pigeonholing all their musical ideas into 4-6 minute tracks, a lot is lost. Even if I were to get a hold of a concert of Optical Race that's all bridged together it's the musical content itself that is majorly lacking to me. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Frank D Stephen III Date: Thu May 4, 2000 12:42 pm Subject: Rare stuff for auction and sale Hello Tadreamers! I have a bunch of concert tapes and CDs for sale and auction. Artists include Tangerine Dream, Mike Oldfield, GTR and a couple of items from Vangelis. If interested in my list please e-mail me off list. I am not going to gauge the prices for these items. They are extra tapes and stuff I have accumulated from trades and no longer have use for and I am just trying to find them a new home with somebody who will appreciate them. First come, first served and buyer pays shipping. To let you know I live in the US (just so you can consider what it might cost to ship this stuff). I also have about 10 CDs of rare Mike Oldfield (B-sides, Remixes, Live stuff), if I were to put this us for sale or auction, would there be any interest? Let me know off list. Frank Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22300 Re: Rare stuff for auction and sale Mark Z Thu 5/4/2000 3 KB 22301 Re: Rare stuff for auction and sale Craig Chambers Thu 5/4/2000 3 KB 22303 Re: Rare stuff for auction and sale Frank Arellano Thu 5/4/2000 3 KB 22306 Re: Rare stuff for auction and sale Joe Shoults Thu 5/4/2000 2 KB 22307 Re: Rare stuff for auction and sale Frank Arellano Thu 5/4/2000 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu May 4, 2000 1:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sale Of Used CDs Send me your list, Jeffrey. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Au Yeung To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:56 AM Subject: [tadream] Sale Of Used CDs Hi all I have a list of about 30 used CDs for sale, mostly rock and a few electronic music CDs. If interested pls contact me privately for the sales list. Jeffrey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get paid for the stuff you know! Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site! http://click.egroups.com/1/2200/3/_/24785/_/957365483/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net From: Mark Z Date: Thu May 4, 2000 1:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rare stuff for auction and sale Frank, I'm interested in your TD cd's, let me know what you have and how much. Thanks, Mark Frank D Stephen III wrote: > Hello Tadreamers! > > I have a bunch of concert tapes and CDs for sale and auction. Artists > include Tangerine Dream, Mike Oldfield, GTR and a couple of items from > Vangelis. If interested in my list please e-mail me off list. I am not > going to gauge the prices for these items. They are extra tapes and stuff > I have accumulated from trades and no longer have use for and I am just > trying to find them a new home with somebody who will appreciate them. > First come, first served and buyer pays shipping. To let you know I live > in the US (just so you can consider what it might cost to ship this > stuff). I also have about 10 CDs of rare Mike Oldfield (B-sides, Remixes, > Live stuff), if I were to put this us for sale or auction, would there be > any interest? Let me know off list. > > Frank > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The world's largest musician community, with over 50,000 gear > reviews and over 15,000 pages of content, is a click away. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3732/3/_/24785/_/957444182/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Thu May 4, 2000 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rare stuff for auction and sale Frank, Hello again. Iwould be interested in your list, esp. Oldfield an TD. Thanks. Craig > Hello Tadreamers! > > > I have a bunch of concert tapes and CDs for sale and auction. Artists > include Tangerine Dream, Mike Oldfield, GTR and a couple of items from > Vangelis. If interested in my list please e-mail me off list. I am not > going to gauge the prices for these items. They are extra tapes and stuff > I have accumulated from trades and no longer have use for and I am just > trying to find them a new home with somebody who will appreciate them. > First come, first served and buyer pays shipping. To let you know I live > in the US (just so you can consider what it might cost to ship this > stuff). I also have about 10 CDs of rare Mike Oldfield (B-sides, Remixes, > Live stuff), if I were to put this us for sale or auction, would there be > any interest? Let me know off list. > > Frank > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The world's largest musician community, with over 50,000 gear > reviews and over 15,000 pages of content, is a click away. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3732/3/_/24785/_/957444182/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Bag Date: Thu May 4, 2000 9:40 am Subject: Re[2]: [tadream] Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Vic wrote: > Hello Pal! > Thanks for the information. Seems like a resembelence to the > 'Wavelength' LP we traded. Well, anyway I'm curious to see one. > I'l be in Poland next week... Contact me privately, maybe we can have some beers... somewhere in Poland. Best regards Bag ********************* bag@a... http://tadream.ac.pl/ ICQ: 38909542 ********************* From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu May 4, 2000 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rare stuff for auction and sale Can you send me your list, please, thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank D Stephen III To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 6:42 AM Subject: [tadream] Rare stuff for auction and sale > Hello Tadreamers! > > > I have a bunch of concert tapes and CDs for sale and auction. Artists > include Tangerine Dream, Mike Oldfield, GTR and a couple of items from > Vangelis. If interested in my list please e-mail me off list. I am not > going to gauge the prices for these items. They are extra tapes and stuff > I have accumulated from trades and no longer have use for and I am just > trying to find them a new home with somebody who will appreciate them. > First come, first served and buyer pays shipping. To let you know I live > in the US (just so you can consider what it might cost to ship this > stuff). I also have about 10 CDs of rare Mike Oldfield (B-sides, Remixes, > Live stuff), if I were to put this us for sale or auction, would there be > any interest? Let me know off list. > > Frank > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The world's largest musician community, with over 50,000 gear > reviews and over 15,000 pages of content, is a click away. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3732/3/_/24785/_/957444182/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Thu May 4, 2000 2:41 pm Subject: TD fans and sports >From: Steven Feldman >Subject: TDI, MARS POLARIS and THE KEEP, Oh My: Well, Hardy Har Har! > > Who the hell is Bull Shannon (if it's a sports figure, that would >explain why I don't know -- or care)? That's a thought. Every so often, someone posts a question of the form 'Hey, how many TD fans are also interested in ?'. It's fun to find out what other interests we all have. So, how many TD fans are interested in sports, either as spectators or participants? Back at school I was on all the sports teams (rugby league, football, cricket, track and field, cross country running, God knows what else), but that had more to do with my school's meagre athletics credentials rather than any great ability on my part. (Apart from rugby, where I was a genuinely good player and would probably have got on the team in most schools.) I've played rugby sporadically ever since, and recently I've even had the urge to get my boots back on, perhaps even have a go at rugby union now that the apartheid between the two codes is over, although at coming up to my 32nd birthday I reckon I'm probably a bit past it. I've also (like TD, according to their Web page) become a big fan of American football; that, the rugby league Challenge Cup final (brilliant one last week) and the odd soccer international are the limits of my sports spectatorship. Glynn From: 'Jared White' Date: Thu May 4, 2000 4:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] NP Quinoa > -----Original Message----- > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > > In a message dated 5/4/2000 5:26:22 AM !!!First Boot!!!, > farellano@s... writes: > > << to incude it with Tournado, Mars Polaris and 220 Volt as > among my > favorite of TD's in the nineties, Thanks Edgar. > > Frank Arellano >> > > *I have to say that I've been surprised at how much I like > Mars Polaris. > It's been very high in my rotation lately... No it's not > comparable to the > visionary works like Rubycon, Stratosfear... whatever... BUT > I'd personally > put it up with Exit, or Le Parc ... if that comparison means > anything ... Well, good for you! I'm glad you're enjoying it. While Mars Polaris may have some aspects that a few might find objectionable, it certainly doesn't sound like the work of a band who's washed up or just plain running out of ideas -- especially track 3 (my favorite)! Take care, Jared From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu May 4, 2000 6:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Rare stuff for auction and sale OFF-list, guys. OFF- list. that means copy/paste his address, don't reply to the list, please. Thanks, joe > -----Original Message----- ... Send me your list, Jeffrey. ... > Hello again. Iwould be interested in your list, esp. Oldfield an TD. > Thanks. ... Frank, I'm interested in your TD cd's, let me know what you have and how much. Thanks, ... Can you send me your list, please, thanks. From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu May 4, 2000 8:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rare stuff for auction and sale Sorry Joe. I don't know where I was at this morning. Either that or drain bamage is more severe than I thought! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Shoults To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 12:50 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Rare stuff for auction and sale > OFF-list, guys. OFF- list. > that means copy/paste his address, don't reply to the list, please. > > Thanks, > joe > > > > -----Original Message----- > ... > Send me your list, Jeffrey. > ... > > Hello again. Iwould be interested in your list, esp. Oldfield an TD. > > Thanks. > ... > Frank, > I'm interested in your TD cd's, let me know what you have and how much. > Thanks, > ... > Can you send me your list, please, thanks. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll > find her here. 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From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Thu May 4, 2000 10:29 pm Subject: TDI News Is this new news or have I missed something...??? From the TDI website... -- The final tracklisting and some soundclips for 'Antique Dreams' will be added later this week. For updated release dates, please refer to our 'Release Schedule'. -- Another interesting topic is that Jerome just started to work on 'Dream Mixes 3'. The tracklisting is a well kept secret around here......projected release is September 2000. A vinyl edition is also planned. -- TD also talked about a live appearance this year somewhere on this planet, to celebrate their thirty years record release anniversary. But this seems to be still a rumor at the moment. Antique Dreams scheduled release: June 30th 2000 Dream Mixes 3 scheduled release: September 2000 Cheers, Lawry NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22314 Re: TDI News Joe Shoults Fri 5/5/2000 3 KB 22323 Re: TDI News Jared White Fri 5/5/2000 3 KB 22319 Re: TDI News Jim Moore Fri 5/5/2000 2 KB 22324 Re: TDI News Bennett Cookson Fri 5/5/2000 2 KB 22337 Re: TDI News quarlie@a... Sat 5/6/2000 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Fri May 5, 2000 1:30 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] TDI, MARS POLARIS and THE KEEP, Oh My: Well, Hardy Har Har! Well I guess it just naive to think that people actually is good all through. But aren't the world what we make it to be. =) Actually I am only impressed by a shop if they can get the CD's I want. TD CD's is often very hard to find here in Denmark. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Folkvord To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 1:22 AM Subject: SV: [tadream] TDI, MARS POLARIS and THE KEEP, Oh My: Well, Hardy Har Har! > >I ones went to a second hand shop asking for the keep, and the shop-owner said that he had it a couple of >years ago, but that he hadn't seen it since. This was back in 90-91 I think. > >Why would a shop-owner claim to have had one in his shop, if it were not true, I mean whats the point. > > Shop owners or shop clerks often claim to have had records in stock, just to make you (the customer) more interested in the shop and get a better impression. They think the customer will think 'since they had it before maybe I will come back another time and see what else they may have'. It doesnt sound good if they tell the truth and it sounds like 'no, we never had it in and we dont care to have it because nobody except two geeks like you ask for it'. Trust me, I worked in a music shop so I know how these people try to impress customers. > > Glenn > > JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart > Stuff www.folkvord.net/jarrestuff > Emusic http://w3.to/_emusic > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You have a voice mail message waiting for you at iHello.com: > http://click.egroups.com/1/3555/3/_/24785/_/957416375/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: Chris Richards Date: Fri May 5, 2000 7:33 am Subject: Re: KS The Dome Event OK, well, about a year or so ago, I went to the local Record Town store. Why? I don't know, since their regular selection stinks, and they're WAY overpriced. Maybe I was just looking to see what I could find in the cut out bins, which is what I ended up doing. Well, one of the CD's I bought on that trip was The Dome Event. I wasn't sure if this was a 'good' album or not, but I figured for 6 dollars, it was worth taking a chance on it. Well, finally, I got around to really giving it a good listen. I like the first section, before the percussion comes in, with the sample of the woman saying 'You mean that's IT?'. When the percussion starts, I don't quite like that as much, but the third section, where Klaus starts soloing on what sounds like a good old analogy synth, is REALLY great! You lots of cool filter sweeps and some sequencing even turns up, eventually. I don't quite like the distorted tone, as if the synth was overloading the soundboard or something, but that's ok. I think that's the best part of the album. I really haven't heard the studio track yet, but I think this is at least a decent album. Certainly, for six bucks, I think I got a nice bargain!!!! But what I REALLY want to get, is The Ultimate Edition! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22312 Re: KS The Dome Event Synthhtnys@a... Fri 5/5/2000 3 KB 22346 Re: KS The Dome Event Airwave Sat 5/6/2000 3 KB 22353 Re: KS The Dome Event Craig Chambers Sun 5/7/2000 2 KB 22358 Re: KS The Dome Event Marcel Engels Sun 5/7/2000 2 KB 22365 Re: KS The Dome Event Nigelsan@a... Sun 5/7/2000 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri May 5, 2000 7:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: KS The Dome Event Well, one of the CD's I bought on that trip was The Dome Event. I wasn't sure if this was a 'good' album or not, * Good, yes, Great, no. (IMHO) Well, finally, I got around to really giving it a good listen. I like the first section, before the percussion comes in, with the sample of the woman saying 'You mean that's IT?'. * My problem with late eighties/nineties KS is the overbearing use of this sample and some others that seemed to show up on every album. and his writing style doesn't seem to vary enough. Having said that there certainly are moments of brilliance to be found in this body of work. When the percussion starts, I don't quite like that as much, * Same here. How about an album with NO drum (samples) ? Is that too crazy to ask? All the recent ones have drum (samples) (with a few moments without them, maybe.) Think of Picture Music for a minute. If we took a poll here which side you listen to more I''ll bet it's the side without TOTEM!!!!!! That use of pure synthesizers for rhythm certainly satisfies MY ears. In fact I think it's one of the most stunning moments in electronic music... Now before you get too riled up I think Harold Grosskopf is great. and I also love X, Body love, Moondawn etc. BUT Mirage, Timewind, Picture music etc. cannot be ignored. why would it be so crazy for him to do a ..... well, Spacemusic album? I just don't get it. but the third section, where Klaus starts soloing on what sounds like a good old analogy synth, is REALLY great! You lots of cool filter sweeps and some sequencing even turns up, eventually. I don't quite like the distorted tone, as if the synth was overloading the soundboard or something, * Actually I'm pretty sure that is a stock patch in the Roland JD-800 synth..... it's supposed to sound like that..... but that's ok. I think that's the best part of the album. *Me too. I really haven't heard the studio track yet, but I think this is at least a decent album. Certainly, for six bucks, I think I got a nice bargain!!!! But what I REALLY want to get, is The Ultimate Edition! *That's seven bucks. Poly From: 'Michael Kupczyk' Date: Fri May 5, 2000 10:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD Hi Vic, Few beers in Sopot? Contact me off-list or call at (58)5559011. Regards Michael > I'l be in Poland next week... > > Vic From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri May 5, 2000 11:59 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI News it's not really new news, except maybe some dates are narrowed down. but I wonder about the use of the term 'rumor' about the live appearance. It's of course not a rumor; it is somewhat well known that they are playing at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum in Cleveland, Ohio USA later this year, and making a large contribution to a new exhibit at the R&R Hall dedicated to Electronic Music. First of all you gotta wonder why they would refer to themselves in the third person; I mean who's writing this stuff, anyway? I figure it must be another one of those Euroenglish translation poor wording things. I'm sure they mean they just haven't sorted out all the details yet... joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawry Simm [mailto:lawry.simm@f...] ... > Is this new news or have I missed something...??? From the TDI > website... > > -- The final tracklisting and some soundclips for 'Antique Dreams' ... > 'Dream Mixes 3'. The tracklisting is a well kept secret around ... > -- TD also talked about a live appearance this year somewhere on > this planet, to celebrate their thirty years record release > anniversary. But this seems to be still a rumor at the moment. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22323 Re: TDI News Jared White Fri 5/5/2000 3 KB From: 'Todd Tornow' Date: Fri May 5, 2000 1:32 pm Subject: Fwd: VIRUS WARNING - ILOVEYOU This one is very real!!!!!! Florida Department of Labor, IMC was hit yesterday (May 4, 2000)! Details of the virus will be found at the following web site! http://www.f-secure.com/virus-info/virus-news/ Todd E. 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The text reads 'kindly check the attached > > > LOVELETTER coming from me' with an attachment of > > > 'LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.vbs' 10 kb in size. > > > > > > What you can do. > > > > > > Do not open the attachment! > > > > > > Delete the email immediately. > > > > > > After you delete the file, then also delete it out of your deleted >folder. > > > > > > > > > CWO4 Max Chandler > > > ESU Portsmouth VA > > > Phone: (757) 483-8747 > > > Fax: (757) 483-8793 > > > http://cgweb.lant.uscg.mil/esuportsmouth/ > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri May 5, 2000 2:10 pm Subject: Another strange thing about Soundmill Navigator Finally I received this CD yesterday, but a very strange thing is happening when I play it on a PC with Winamp. This software connects to CDDB in order to retrieve the CD title, artist name and tracklist. After connecting, it says 'Success!' and then displays the following data: Disc Title: Paso Inferior Artist: Corrupted Track Titles: Paso Inferior Anyone else gets this information? Antonio Nunes np: Soundmill Navigator (Corrupted indeed!!!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22318 Re: Another strange thing about Soundmill Navigat Michael W. Daniels Fri 5/5/2000 2 KB From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Thu May 4, 2000 7:17 pm Subject: RE: Tron I have the Tron LP. It's got some really creative stuff on it if I recall, but it's been YEARS since I've played it. Also, if you happen to be a Journey fan, it has a track by them that is only available on this LP (as far as I know). James > -----Original Message----- > etcetcetc > >I had heard electronic music before, mainly with > >Wendy Carlos' Tron soundtrack, etc etc > > I had completely NO idea that Tron's soundtrack was by Wendy Carlos. > Although I've never SEEN nor heard any of the WC albums, I really like > that movie. Maybe someday I get this ST. > From: 'Michael W. Daniels' Date: Fri May 5, 2000 2:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Another strange thing about Soundmill Navigator At 10:10 AM 5/5/00, you wrote: >Finally I received this CD yesterday, but a very strange thing is >happening when I play it on a PC with Winamp. This software connects to >CDDB in order to retrieve the CD title, artist name and tracklist. After >connecting, it says 'Success!' and then displays the following data: > >Disc Title: Paso Inferior >Artist: Corrupted >Track Titles: Paso Inferior CDDB just looks up the number of tracks and their lengths in their database, so a 1-track CD is somewhat likely to be confused with another. Some of the 1-track CDs in Klaus Schulze's Ultimate Edition get similarly confused with other albums. -- Michael W. Daniels | 'But the evil is that they hold for daniels@l... | certain that they are in the light.' Dept. of Linguistics | From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri May 5, 2000 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI News >It's of > course not a rumor; it is somewhat well known that they are playing at the > Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum in Cleveland, Ohio USA later this > year, and making a large contribution to a new exhibit at the R&R Hall > dedicated to Electronic Music. Road Trip!!! I see a drive on I-75 in the near future! - jim From: Roger Hartopp Date: Fri May 5, 2000 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 490 Hi everyone! Just to let you all know (if it's not too late) that an extract from 'Soundmill Navigator' is going to be played on an instrumental radio programme in Poland called 'Astral Voyager'. You can hear it on www.rak.krakow.pl at 10.00pm European Time (one hour ahead of British Summer Time), after an instrumental album by Clannad (which I think you might find is worth listening to!). By the way, I'm hosting the programme, so it'll be broadcast in English. Astral Voyager features a lot of TD music, so I'm always open to suggestions from the tadream@e... Happy listening! All the best, Roger Hartopp ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22321 Re: Digest Number 490 =?iso-8859-1?q?Roger=20Hartop Fri 5/5/2000 2 KB From: Roger Hartopp Date: Fri May 5, 2000 3:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 490 Reference: 'Astral Voyager' radio programme Sorry, I forgot to mention it's tonight! Regards Roger Hartopp ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie From: Jon Johnson Date: Fri May 5, 2000 3:33 pm Subject: Re: KS The Dome Event< Subject: Re: KS The Dome Event< and > From: Synthhtnys@a... Subject: Re: Re: KS The Dome Event third section, where Klaus starts soloing on what sounds like a good old analogy synth, is REALLY great! You lots of cool filter sweeps and some sequencing even turns up, eventually. I don't quite like the distorted tone, as if the synth was overloading the soundboard or something, * Actually I'm pretty sure that is a stock patch in the Roland JD-800 synth..... it's supposed to sound like that..... but that's ok. I think that's the best part of the album. *Me too.< I have no way of knowing for sure but I always thought that Klaus may have hauled out his old Yamaha CS 80 and was working the ribbon controller. If you listen to the live Poland album from his Audentity tour you can hear him jamming on the CS 80 with much the same technique and distortion etc. I really haven't heard the studio track yet, but I think this is at least a decent album. Certainly, for six bucks, I think I got a nice bargain!!!! But what I REALLY want to get, is The Ultimate Edition! *That's seven bucks. Poly< I always get excited about a new Klaus Schulze album regardless what my intuition says to me that I've heard it already when considering his last ten years of work. Noting the samples mentioned both the voices and the drums. Also I think the last song on Beyond Recall is the most creative and descriptive of the concept and doesn't have drums. I thought they worked the best on Beyond Recall probably because they were fresh then. Also he really gave the Korg M1 a workout during that whole early to mid ninties era. I'm waiting for another PictureMusic etc./X/TranceFer/Audentity/Dreams etc. Not that I'd like to hear him do the same thing though that be alright too. But simply create the future again. Floor me with something drastic. TD too. -Jon Johnson 'Sign the Mona Lisa with a spraycan call it art, but never let your love my friend, unto a foolish heart.' - Garcia/Hunter Visit the official Jon Johnson Homepage at http://www.mindspring.com/~mrj12/index.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22325 Re: KS The Dome Event< Marcel Engels Fri 5/5/2000 2 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Fri May 5, 2000 5:01 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI News Hi, Joe, > it's not really new news, except maybe some dates are > narrowed down. but I > wonder about the use of the term 'rumor' about the live > appearance. It's of > course not a rumor; it is somewhat well known that they are > playing at the > Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum in Cleveland, Ohio USA > later this > year, and making a large contribution to a new exhibit at the R&R Hall > dedicated to Electronic Music. Great! BUT WHEN ARE THEY COMING TO CALIFORNIA AGAIN??? ARGH!!! :) > First of all you gotta wonder why they would refer to > themselves in the > third person; I mean who's writing this stuff, anyway? I > figure it must be > another one of those Euroenglish translation poor wording > things. I'm sure > they mean they just haven't sorted out all the details yet... I don't mind them writing in the third person -- that seems to be pretty standard practice if you ask me. All professional Web sites for artists use the third person in writing. You don't go to jeanmicheljarre.com and read 'Hi, folks! I'm Jean-Michel Jarre, and you're not!' (Watch out Chevy Chase, hehe!) The only time Jean-Michel would refer to himself in the first person would be in an interview or something. Otherwise -- it's 'he's doing this' and 'he's doing that'. Hey, on another note -- any spies hanging out here on the list? Feeling particularly chipper? Why don't you go 'borrow' the secret track listing for Dream Mixes III and share it with us? You'll be paid handsomely for your efforts. Jared P. S. I was only kidding -- please don't berate me, TDI! ;) From: Bennett Cookson Date: Fri May 5, 2000 5:04 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI News 'it is somewhat well known that they are playing at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum in Cleveland, Ohio USA later this year, and making a large contribution to a new exhibit at the R&R Hall dedicated to Electronic Music.' - joe Any idea when? When is this new exhibit? When is 'their thirty years record release anniversary.' --Bennett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri May 5, 2000 6:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: KS The Dome Event< > From: Jon Johnson [mailto:mrj12@m...] > > * Actually I'm pretty sure that is a stock patch in the Roland JD-800 > synth..... it's supposed to sound like that..... It's the good old Minimoog with a little bit of distortion. > I have no way of knowing for sure but I always thought that Klaus may have > hauled out his old Yamaha CS 80 and was working the ribbon controller. If > you listen to the live Poland album from his Audentity tour you can hear > him jamming on the CS 80 with much the same technique and distortion etc. The Poland years were definitely the CS80 years... It started with Dune I believe. But I'm not too sure if he takes it on tour nowadays...wouldn't be wise. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels Email :mengels@w... From: Gabe Yedid Date: Fri May 5, 2000 8:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Optical Race] On Tue, 2 May 2000, Nigbur D wrote: > =MOTHERS OF RAIN= > The frantic pace of 'Atlas Eyes' slows down again with this comparatively > mellow track. Tom said that this was played on stage way before it was > released on the album. This makes sense, since the style of composition on > this track appears quite traditional. Extremely nice, although maybe not > quite in tune with the rest of the album in terms of style. 4AS. It made its debut as an encore during the UK leg of the 1986 tour. The style of the original version is much closer to _Legend_ than to the rather 'Moroder-ized' version that finally appeared on _Optical Race_. A candidate for _Twilight Folder_, perhaps? > =CAT SCAN= > It pays off not to give up on this album to soon. The sound is still very > stripped down and the sequencing very tightly controlled (some may say > mechanical), but the rhythms and melodies are actually quite creative. I get > the impression that this is composed on the basis of the same system as > Marrakesh - it sounds different, but has all the same ingredients in it, > including the harsh sounds, samples, quick changes in tempo and rhythm, and > some oriental-sounding effects. I still really like it to this day. A good > 3AS. Hmm, I really don't know about it taking after 'Marakesh'...the underlying rhythm and chord progression are virtually identical to the ones from 'Mothers of Rain'...definiely a different take on the same material, IMO. > =SUN GATE= > This track is the essence of the album, and would doubtlessly be a TD > evergreen if the album as a whole had not been so extensively slated from > all quarters (even though Paul Haslinger apparently claims it was the > biggest-selling TD album in America). That may not necessarily have been a positive comment. ;) I didn't like this track for a long time, rating as low as I do 'Ghazal'. Then it was pointed out to me that maybe I just wasn't listening to it in the right frame of mind, not associating the right kind of moods and feelings with it. Once I tried to listen to it from that different vantage point, my thoughts about it changed considerably. I still wouldn't rate it as highly as some of the other things on this album--and definitely nothing from _Melrose_--but it's definitely out of 1AS land. It's certainly not the kind of sugary, cloying muzak that I still label 'Ghazal' as. > =TURNING OFF THE WHEEL= > I get the impression that this composition has revisited the scene in many > guises since...I get the impression throughout that this really wants to be > a bridge in the middle of a more extensive movement. For that purpose, it > would be fantastic, but it stands up less well as a piece in its own right. > 2AS. I think it only appears later on as 'Myopia World' and 'The Golden Horn'...I'd bet that 'Love On A Real Train' is TD's most recycled piece. The way I think about this piece seems to vary with the phases of the moon ;)--sometimes I really get into it, and its repetitive structure doesn't bug me. Then, some days, I just can't bring myself to listen to it at all. > =THE MIDNIGHT TRAIL= > If 'Mothers of Rain' departed from the generic spirit of the album by > appearing traditional, this one stands out by seeming like a prelude to > things to come in Melrose. It would have fitted in anywhere on the Melrose > album with ease (and maybe to good effect). I'm not a big friend of Melrose, > maybe because this piece and bits on 'Lily on the Beach' are very satisfying > incarnations of the Melrose style already. I'll give it 4AS. I don't hear a whole lot of _Melrose_ (or Lily, for that matter) in this piece. The second, slower section is more reminiscent of Edgar's _Pinnacles_ than anything that came after _OR_, IMO...almost as if Edgar was closing the book, so to speak, on a particular chapter of his life and career. > =GHAZAL: LOVE SONG= This is one of the most annoyingly saccharine pieces that (unfortunately) bears TD credentials. I'll not say any more beyond that. I know some here feel the same way about 'Cool At Heart', but I'll just say that I think the latter piece is much more effective at setting a quiet, initimate romantic mood. (Then again, WTF do I know about romance?) Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22349 Re: D:Studio [Optical Race] Jim Moore Sat 5/6/2000 2 KB 22354 Re: D:Studio [Optical Race] Gabe Yedid Sun 5/7/2000 3 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Fri May 5, 2000 8:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Optical Race On Tue, 2 May 2000, Jared White wrote: > > 7) Sun Gate > > This track doesn't do much for me. The guitar is especially boring. Can't > hold a candle to Jerome's guitar solo on that masterpiece on Rockoon called > Big City Dwarves. It's an entirely kind of different guitar playing than what you get on 'BCD'. This is 'quintessential' Edgar here. When he plays, he seems to have no problem sacrificing technique for colour and emotion, and the 'Sun Gate' solo is no exception. Somebody else once put it as: 'Anybody can play guitar, but to sound like an individual is true artistry. I think Edgar can claim to have achieved this.' I wouldn't be so quick to say that the same is true of Jerome. I think he really has yet to find his own sound and voice, define himself as an individual on the fretboard. It's pieces like 'Sun Gate' that make the difference between Ed and son clear, to the point where I'd say that Jerome will not truly have inherited the mantle of leadership until he learns to convey the same kind of soul in his guitar playing that Edgar can/could. cheers, Gabe From: Bennett Cookson Date: Fri May 5, 2000 8:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D: [Optical Race] It's an entirely kind of different guitar playing than what you get on 'BCD'. This is 'quintessential' Edgar here. When he plays, he seems to have no problem sacrificing technique for colour and emotion, and the 'Sun Gate' solo is no exception. Somebody else once put it as: 'Anybody can play guitar, but to sound like an individual is true artistry. --Gabe Well said. I do not no much about specific techniques, but I do know that the guitar in Sun Gate communicates a certain feeling/emotion to me. Combined with that wonderful harpsichord sound that, unlike others on this list, I really love. Sun Gate is one of those songs that represent what TD means to me. --Bennett np: Sun Gate [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Steve Yensen' Date: Fri May 5, 2000 9:20 pm Subject: Re: This week's listening Latest albums in the old rust wagon this week: Rick Wakeman - Country Airs, The Six Wives of Henry VIII Invisible Shadows - Gift: must post a review of this sometime Dan J. Schulte - Nominal Gain TD - Melrose TD - Rockoon; still trying to figure out the connection between this album and the word 'masterpiece'. Sorry, but the word 'shambles' is a better fit. [FX: ducks and runs very fast - flak rapidly approaching] TD - Mars Polaris; now this one gets better all the time ... Focus - Hamburger Concerto Status Quo - Ma Kelly's Greasy Spoon All in all, a mixed bunch, some good, some brilliant, some not so brilliant. Cheers, Steve [trying to get time off for the next Jodrell Bank gig with Kubusschnitt - and currently failing dismally] - -- Home: syensen@i... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22351 Re: This week's listening Rainer Rutka Sat 5/6/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri May 5, 2000 10:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: This week's listening Ok, I keep seeing this obsession with Mars Polaris. I have the CD, (complete with broken case and half-broken teeth so the case doesn't actually HOLD the CD in place). I've listened to it twice and nothing on there really inspires me. I'll listen to it ONE more time when I get home. Anyways, why do I have to listen to an album 3 times to get to like it? Dream Mixes 1 and 2 each took 1 listen, not to mention virtually every TD album from 1974-1987. -Morgan >From: 'Steve Yensen' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Re: This week's listening >Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:20:27 +0100 > >Latest albums in the old rust wagon this week: >TD - Mars Polaris; now this one gets better all the time ... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22341 Re: This week's listening Gary Jenkins Sat 5/6/2000 3 KB From: Airwave Date: Fri May 5, 2000 11:36 pm Subject: TD CDs in Denmark Pergamon wrote: > Actually I am only impressed by a shop if they can get the CD's I want. TD > CD's is often very hard to find here in Denmark. Not if you search www.cdon.com They usually carry the latest TD CDs and ship them in Denmark, Norway and Sweden and very reasonable prices (considering the normal prices of CDs Denmark). AirWave. From: Christian Villazón Date: Fri May 5, 2000 11:12 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Help about Electronic Music Hello everybody I'd like to start to make electronic music like Tangerine Dream (I know that It is impossible to get their quality), but I do not know much about synthetizers, samplers, sequences, sound modules, etc., so I'd like to receive and advice from the people who make and knows about electronic Music. I'd like to know which synthetizer, sound module is good(Roland, Korg,??) to make good electronic music. Thanks for your help. Christian christian@u... From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Sat May 6, 2000 12:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Help about Electronic Music Christian, a good source of information for you might be the gearhead@egroups.com mailing list. You'll find a couple of helpful people on it. Best Regards Jens Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22334 Re: Help about Electronic Music Feldon Feldon Fri 5/5/2000 4 KB 22338 Re: Help about Electronic Music Synthhtnys@a... Sat 5/6/2000 2 KB 22339 Re: Help about Electronic Music Gustavo Jobim Sat 5/6/2000 3 KB 22344 Re: Help about Electronic Music Marcel Engels Sat 5/6/2000 3 KB 22348 Re: Help about Electronic Music Jens Peschke Sat 5/6/2000 4 KB 22372 Re: Help about Electronic Music Jens Kilian Mon 5/8/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri May 5, 2000 11:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Help about Electronic Music >From: Christian Villazón >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: RE: [tadream] Help about Electronic Music >Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:12:14 -0400 > >Hello everybody > I'd like to start to make electronic music like Tangerine Dream (I know >that It is impossible to get their quality), but I do not know much about >synthetizers, samplers, >sequences, sound modules, etc., so I'd like to receive and advice from the >people who >make and knows about electronic Music. I'd like to know which synthetizer, >sound module is good(Roland, >Korg,??) to make good electronic music. Without a dollar figure, it is impossible to give you much advice. I produce electronic music with two pieces of inexpensive computer software, Cakewalk 7, and Yamaha SXG100 software wavetable (which rivals most $700 keyboards for breadth of sound library and quality of sound samples), and a cheap (around $200) keyboard with rudimentary General MIDI support. I'm using a SoundBlaster 64 voice wavetable soundcard (about $45). I have the volume on the keyboard muted, so I only use the synthesis out of the computer. There's nothing preventing you from getting started around $600. Keep in mind that the majority of the sound effects and timbres you want will NOT be built into the typical $1,000 and under keyboards, so either find a keyboard that lets you load your own sounds into it, or do what I do, use the keyboard strictly for the fingering and use some kind of external MIDI box or software that generates those unusual sounds. Another thing most people don't realize is that most soundcards under $100 have unacceptable signal-to-noise ratios for truly CD quality music. I don't have great ears (and my bass-heavy Bose speakers often mask noise) so I don't often notice it until I play a CD that I have mastered on someone else's sound system at a decent volume. Under-$100 sound cards produce way too much hiss and your material will sound not unlike a cassette tape. I can't recommend any particular card, but I have heard that Turtle Beach pays particular attention to low noise in their sound cards. I doubt you will find anything from the Creative Labs camp that produces really clean sound. You mentioned Korg. I have a friend who continues to do just wonderful stuff (he plays his music once a month on an open-mic 2 hour ambient show on the local Pacifica radio station here) on an original Korg Wavestation (about 15 years old I think). This keyboard not only has Pitch and Modulation wheels but a joystick which allows you to control several timbral qualities of the sound, such as thinning and thickening, adding or removing muddiness. You can accomplish a lot without much hassle. Tangerine Dream probably has equipment that at least at one time was valued totalling $1 million. (A surprising amount of that being Les Paul and other rare guitars). -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: aoutland@a... Date: Sat May 6, 2000 12:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Wanted: Mars Polaris mispressed CD In a message dated 05/03/2000 6:06:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, manager@t... writes: << I held this one in my hands and gave it away... > >- jim Jim, what´s this misinformation? There never was any different version of Tang- Go >> I think this was meant as a joke; like all the people who claimed they held The Keep in their hands but were too poor to buy it and then it disappeared the next day. 8-) Dell From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat May 6, 2000 12:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: This week's listening I thought Astrophobia and Comet's Figure Head were the best tracks on this CD, both excellent, IMO of course. Frank Arellano ----- Original Message ----- From: Feldon Feldon To: Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: This week's listening > Ok, I keep seeing this obsession with Mars Polaris. I have the CD, (complete > with broken case and half-broken teeth so the case doesn't actually HOLD the > CD in place). I've listened to it twice and nothing on there really inspires > me. I'll listen to it ONE more time when I get home. Anyways, why do I have > to listen to an album 3 times to get to like it? Dream Mixes 1 and 2 each > took 1 listen, not to mention virtually every TD album from 1974-1987. > > -Morgan > > > >From: 'Steve Yensen' > >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [tadream] Re: This week's listening > >Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:20:27 +0100 > > > >Latest albums in the old rust wagon this week: > > >TD - Mars Polaris; now this one gets better all the time ... > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You have a voice mail message waiting for you at iHello.com: > http://click.egroups.com/1/3555/5/_/24785/_/957564790/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat May 6, 2000 1:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI News In a message dated 5/5/00 8:03:26 AM, shoults@s... writes: >It's of >course not a rumor; it is somewhat well known that they are playing at >the >Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum in Cleveland, Ohio USA later this >year, and making a large contribution to a new exhibit at the R&R Hall >dedicated to Electronic Music. Really?! Wow. I didn't know that. What great news, for two reasons: one, it's a TD concert, and two, there'll be an actual reason to go to the rock hall. ;) (Well, maybe it's not THAT bad.) When was this concert first learned of, BTW? I'm surprised I missed it. --Daniel NP: the Brain--Access and Amplify From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat May 6, 2000 1:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Help about Electronic Music Hello everybody I'd like to start to make electronic music like Tangerine Dream (I know that It is impossible to get their quality), but I do not know much about synthetizers, samplers, sequences, sound modules, etc., so I'd like to receive and advice from the people who Christian * Well, Christian I can wholeheartedly recommend the Nord Micro Modular (US$700, or if you can afford it the Nord Modular , i think US $1400) If you like that big meaty modular sound and want to start creating electronic music this is a great place to start ... you will learn about all the functions a synth can do.... it sounds great... I could do a whole album with nothing but the Nord Modular and from a tone junky like me that says a lot. However if you prefer recent TD, and want a synth with presets ready to go well Korg and Roland make good boards (but really go with the Nord...) Poly Paul Ellis / Secret Fire Music Synthhtnys@a... New solo album: Appears to Vanish Now available @ www.neuharm.demon.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22339 Re: Help about Electronic Music Gustavo Jobim Sat 5/6/2000 3 KB 22344 Re: Help about Electronic Music Marcel Engels Sat 5/6/2000 3 KB From: 'Gustavo Jobim' Date: Sat May 6, 2000 6:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Help about Electronic Music --- In tadream@egroups.com, Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > Hello everybody > I'd like to start to make electronic music like Tangerine Dream (I know that It is impossible to get their quality), but I do not know much about synthetizers, samplers, sequences, sound modules, etc., so I'd like to receive and advice from the people who.. > Christian Hello dreamers, I got the time to check some recent postings on the web. Since you've been discussing keyboards and synths, I'd like to ask for your help too. What do you think of the Panasonic Technics keyboards? My keyboard teacher uses them and he says they're very good, and they have 16-track sequencers, but I'm not sure if I can make music with them - like making a whole track only with this keyboard. Any information or opinion would be very appreciated, and please if possible reply to this msg privately (it takes a lot more time to navigate the web to read emails than directly thru the mail software :). Read ya, Gustavo Jobim - gustavfj@m... p.s. Played Cyclone earlier this evening. I really like this album (except maybe the silly singing in Rising Runner...) p.p.s. Recent listenings (this week): TD - Cyclone, Lily OTB, Tyranny OB, Encore Solaris - Nostradamus Jarre - Concerts in China Kraftwerk - Autobahn Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn, Incantations Rick Wakeman - 6 Wives of Henry VIII From: Chris Richards Date: Sat May 6, 2000 6:47 am Subject: Re: Tron <> Actually, there's TWO Journey songs: Only Solutions (which is heard over the closing credits in the movie) and 1990's Theme (which is heard near the start of the movie, when they show the teenagers in the arcade playing the Light Cycle game). Only Solutions has since appeared on the Journy boxset Time Cubed (I don't know how to give that in the proper notation, with the little 3 and all, but that's how it would be said if you were to say the title). Anyway, in the liner notes, one of the band members says 'If it sounds like it was thrown together at the last minute, that's because it was'. I always thought it was a cool song though. NP: Chicago 'Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is' (At Carnegie Hall) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat May 6, 2000 7:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: This week's listening --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: > Ok, I keep seeing this obsession with Mars Polaris. I have the CD, (complete > with broken case and half-broken teeth so the case doesn't actually HOLD the > CD in place). I've listened to it twice and nothing on there really inspires > me. I'll listen to it ONE more time when I get home. Anyways, why do I have > to listen to an album 3 times to get to like it? Dream Mixes 1 and 2 each > took 1 listen, not to mention virtually every TD album from 1974- 1987. > > -Morgan > > > >From: 'Steve Yensen' > >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [tadream] Re: This week's listening > >Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:20:27 +0100 > > > >Latest albums in the old rust wagon this week: > > >TD - Mars Polaris; now this one gets better all the time ... > > Keep playing I'M sure it will grow on you. I had to play it at least three times before I really got into it, Comets figure head is one of my all time favourite tracks. ______________________________________________________________________ __ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat May 6, 2000 7:34 am Subject: re.this weeks listenings Seemed to be obsessed with electronic music at the moment have not listened to any vocals in weeks. Green Desert-TD Encore-TD Evolution-Otarion Lore-Paul Nagle Great wall of China-TD Poland -TD which I have been playing constantly in the car all week the more I hear it the better it gets. From: nick.adams@p... Date: Sat May 6, 2000 8:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 492 >From: 'Gary Jenkins' >Seemed to be obsessed with electronic music at the moment have not >listened to any vocals in weeks. >Evolution-Otarion Gary, what are your opinions on the Otarion album ! Nick Home Nicad@c... Work Nick.Adams@p... ______________________________________________________________________ ________________________ Disclaimer Notice ____________________________ This E-mail message is private and confidential and should only be read by those to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, reproduction, modification or publication of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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If you have received this communication in error, or if any problems occur in transmission please notify us immediately by telephone on +44 (0)24 76 424000 From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sat May 6, 2000 8:33 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Help about Electronic Music > Hello everybody > I'd like to start to make electronic music like Tangerine Dream (I know > that It is impossible to get their quality), but I do not know much about > synthetizers, samplers, > sequences, sound modules, etc., so I'd like to receive and > advice from the > people who > Christian It's difficult to say where to start. I'd say go to a music store and listen to a few synths and you decide what synth sounds good. Also, check out some magazines, but don't rely too heavily on what the reviewers say. Imo, it's best to buy a multi-timbral synth because you don't have other synths. Multi-timbral means you can play more then one midi channel at once. (multi-timbral is not the same as polyphony). You can go for the Rolands, Korgs if you want digital sounds (piano, violins, harps etc) as well as some decent analog sounds. You can go for the virtual analogs (Nord, Virus and a few others) if you want the better analog sounds (those nice basses, leads etc). After that you probably want a sequencer. You can use your computer for that or go for a hardware sequencer. I personally would go for the computer-way. And then you would probably want another synth :-) Then the story continues, because you will need a mixer and maybe some outboard effects...oh yeah a good audiocard. You're sure you want to make music? :-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels Email :mengels@w... From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat May 6, 2000 9:35 am Subject: Discussion Week 34 - Sunday 7th May 2000 This week it's the turn of Miracle Mile. Please make your subject read 'D:Soundtrack [Miracle Mile]' when posting reviews and comments, for the benefit of the search engine. Joe, could you note that I will be away for the next 2 weeks, and will need someone (you?) to post the next 2 weeks reminders which are listed right at the bottom of this post so that nobody mistakes them for this week's discussion. I look forward to mountains of posts regarding these albums when I get back! *8-) Cheers, Lawry NEW email address - lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm 14/05/00 - Week 35 - Lily On The Beach (Studio) 21/05/00 - Week 36 - Catch Me If You Can (Soundtrack) / Destination Berlin (Soundtrack) / The Man Inside (L'Affaire Walraff) (TRIPLE SOUNDTRACK WEEK!) From: Airwave Date: Sat May 6, 2000 12:22 pm Subject: Re: KS The Dome Event Chris Richards wrote: >> third section, where Klaus starts soloing on what >> sounds like a good old analogy synth, > * Actually I'm pretty sure that is a stock patch in the Roland JD-800 > synth..... it's supposed to sound like that..... A safer bet might be his trusty old MiniMoog. He has never stopped using the MiniMoog for soloing. He's using it even to this day and he has made them fully Midi compatible. > you listen to the live Poland album from his Audentity tour you can hear > him jamming on the CS 80 with much the same technique and distortion etc. Those sounds (and I do think we are talking about the same sounds) are comming from his Moog. The distorted synth solo on the track Warzaw is a MiniMoog. The track is virtually the same as Peg Leg Dance from Jubilee Edition where he points out the MoogSolos. >> I'm waiting for another PictureMusic etc./X/TranceFer/Audentity/Dreams >> etc. Not that I'd like to hear him do the same thing though that be alright >> too. But simply create the future again. Floor me with something drastic. Check out Box 5 of Ultimate Edition. The album 'The Cello' is like reliving the best moments of Audentity in a 90s way. Brilliant. AirWave. From: Airwave Date: Sat May 6, 2000 12:27 pm Subject: Re:[tadream] Digest Number 491 Marcel wrote: > The Poland years were definitely the CS80 years... > It started with Dune I believe. But I'm not too sure if he takes it on > tour nowadays...wouldn't be wise. Klaus used a lot more than the CS80 in those days. I agree that some stringy sounds and brass sounds from that period is clearly the CS80. I have a CS50 with almost the same sounds. But to generalize and say everything is CS80 is wrong. The MiniMoog has remained Klaus's favourite soloing synth ever since he got it. I can undestand why ;-).. AirWave. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22350 Re: Digest Number 491 Marcel Engels Sat 5/6/2000 2 KB From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Sat May 6, 2000 12:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Help about Electronic Music Christian, if you ask 5 about musos about an opinion you most certainly will get 6 different answers. ;-) There are a couple of questions you should ask yourself, before buying any gear. 1) Are you going to work mainly live/studio or live and studio - that's important if you ever consider doing a gig. 2) Are you going to play just by your own ? Playing in a band adds a lot of fun and you may find people good at things you aren't that good at (at the moment). 3) Doing music requires knowledge concerning harmonies, structures and melodies, playing skills and technology. Sound design is as important as the ability to play an instrument. Concerning where to start with all you need is a multi timbral programmable sound module and a MIDI Keyboard. Best thing might be to buy a synth with build in Keyboard. That multi timbral synth can have a build in sequencer and is then called workstation or you have to use a computer based sequencer programme like Logic/Cubase. If you don't have much money and already have a PC I'd recommend using a PC based sequencer with isn't the best choice for doing stuff live unless you just wanna reproduce tracks. The sounds a synthesizer (software or hardware based) depends on the used/supported synthesis. All these synthesis have their pros and cons and you should ask yourself what will be the key element of what you're going to archive. Melodies, sound scapes or rhythms/sequences? Ie what kind of EM do you wanna do, TD did a lot of different styles in there career from sound scape dominated (1970-1973) to sequencer dominated (74-77) to melody dominated EM with shorter tracks and more rhythmic stuff with melodies like in the Dream mixes. If you want to be able to produce a lot of different substyles you surely need as many different synthesis forms you can get for your money. Subtractive, additive, wave table, granular, fm, sampling and so worth. There's software available like the reaktor which supports a lot of different synthesis forms as well as those virtual analogues Marcel and Paul mentioned. I won't recommend the Nord Micro Modular as first instrument, it has limited CPU power (ie limited polyphony - that's how many notes it can play at once). It's also mono timbral (just one sound/patch at once). It's an excellent choice as third or 4th instrument but certainly the wrong thing to start with. Best Regards Jens From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat May 6, 2000 1:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Optical Race] > From: Gabe Yedid [mailto:gabe@p...] > It made its debut as an encore during the UK leg of the 1986 tour. The > style of the original version is much closer to _Legend_ than to the > rather 'Moroder-ized' version that finally appeared on _Optical Race_. Where did it appear in the song order? I've got a couple of 86 fan tapes, but I've not heard anything like this song in the encores? - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22354 Re: D:Studio [Optical Race] Gabe Yedid Sun 5/7/2000 3 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sat May 6, 2000 3:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 491 > From: Airwave [mailto:airwave@1...] > > Klaus used a lot more than the CS80 in those days. I agree > that some stringy sounds and brass sounds from that period > is clearly the CS80. I have a CS50 with almost the same sounds. > But to generalize and say everything is CS80 is wrong. Of course he uses a lot more. I'm not too sure he uses the CS80 for strings and brass though. Just look at the Stahlsymfonie video...it's those weird 'metallic' sounds he uses most from his CS80. > The MiniMoog has remained Klaus's favourite soloing synth > ever since he got it. I can undestand why ;-).. Oh yes! I wonder if Edgar's got a favorite synth. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels Email :mengels@w... From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sat May 6, 2000 4:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: This week's listening On Fri, 5 May 2000, Steve Yensen wrote: > Latest albums in the old rust wagon this week: > Focus - Hamburger Concerto He! This man do REALLY have a good taste! ;-) Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.rutka.de/td (last update 5.5.00) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat May 6, 2000 8:28 am Subject: RE: TDI news >First of all you gotta wonder why they would refer to themselves in the >third person; I mean who's writing this stuff, anyway? TDI office employees. Not every TDI Music employee, including the secretary and the janitor, is a member of the band, Tangerine Dream. Therefore, the third person. klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22361 Re: TDI news Joe Shoults Sun 5/7/2000 2 KB From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Sun May 7, 2000 2:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: KS The Dome Event > Check out Box 5 of Ultimate Edition. The album 'The Cello' is like reliving > the best moments of Audentity in a 90s way. Brilliant. > Maybe even better. The Cello, while not as melodic, seems alot more mature a composition to me. Tiepold seems to have gotten better with age also...man, I love this disc. This is worth price of admission alone! Think about it, how much was the Millenium booster pack, $100+ for sure. With one disc of how long, 50-60 minutes? Here you can get this amazing composition, in the same limited edition, with 9 other excellent discs as bonus! :-) Craig What I have been listening to this week: Pretty Things 'S.F. Sorrow' Pretty Things 'Parachute' Grobschnitt 'Rockpommel's Land' (man, I love this!) Live Floyd Live Van der Graaf Generator and Peter Hammill Dream Theater Atlanta-99 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22358 Re: KS The Dome Event Marcel Engels Sun 5/7/2000 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sun May 7, 2000 3:00 am Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Optical Race] On Sat, 6 May 2000, Jim Moore wrote: > > From: Gabe Yedid [mailto:gabe@p...] > > It made its debut as an encore during the UK leg of the 1986 tour. The > > style of the original version is much closer to _Legend_ than to the > > rather 'Moroder-ized' version that finally appeared on _Optical Race_. > > Where did it appear in the song order? I've got a couple of 86 fan tapes, > but I've not heard anything like this song in the encores? > > - jim It was apparently only on the UK leg of the tour. None of the '86 shows from other parts of Europe or the U.S. seem to feature it. The only reference I have to it is from the 'Real Dream Encores' set, which has it from the (I think) Mar. 12 '86 show in Edinburgh. There's another fan recording that was used for 'Sea of Dreams' (not the same show, different sound quality and no audience noise). Gabe From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun May 7, 2000 4:34 am Subject: D:Soundtrack [Miracle Mile] Long! Ok folks, this was my introduction to Tangerine Dream. I heard this way back in 1989 as I watched the movie. If you haven't seen it, it is an apocalyptic film, where an average guy picks up a pay phone receiver and by mistake hears plans by a foreign government to launch nuclear weapons at the US early the next day. The rest of the movie is reactions of the him and the city in what may be their last few hours to live. I have to apologize as I have only seen the movie once so I don't remember where the cues go or where they were played, or more importantly how well they fit. However it had a strong enough impression on me to make a note of the soundtrack while watching the end credits, and then to seek out their music years later. Miracle Mile Original Soundtrack from the Hemdale Motion Picture I. Teetering Scales II. One for the Books III. After the Call IV. On the Spur of the Moment V. All of a Dither VI. Final Statement VII. In Julie's Eyes VIII. Running out of Time IX. If it's all Over X. People in the News XI. Museum Walk The majority of the tracks on this soundtrack are 3 minutes long, which makes for a good album, even when heard outside the context of the movie. TD does great soundtracks when they try, and it's sad that they aren't more recognized by Hollywood. Then again, and please... post-1987 TD lovers, don't take this personal but, I don't think present TD would really work in the realm of movies. Teetering Scales is a droning and minimal start to this CD. Except for some pan flute and other late 80's TD sounds, this track stays the same. 2AS (Can I give a half? 2.5AS then!) One for the Books combines a piano sequence, percussion, and bass in a very interesting way. This track gives me goosebumps. You know something sad, depressing, and perhaps unstoppable is coming. The choice of sounds here is really solid. 4AS After the Call is the signature piece for the movie. Instrument choices are spot-on especially the ascending and decending drums. It's hard to explain to someone why the percussion in this track are near-perfect, and yet similar drum sounds seem out of place on other albums from this time period. I know I complain on list about the over-use of vocals by TD around this time period, but they wisely make their home on this whole soundtrack. The dark turn at 2:25 and increased use of vocals is even more chilling. 5AS On the Spur of the Moment is a very mellow, vocal based track. Even though it is slow and mostly melody, it does manage to have some pacing to it. I'm not sure when this is used in the film, but I can imagine sitting alone and staring off into space, taking stock of my life and what I have and haven't accomplished so far. 5AS All of a Dither Appropriately named, as this track thrashes about on the bass guitar (well, a synth version anyway) with a driving sequence. The melody hops around, back and forth, which is just wonderful stuff. This track is short, but the melody that comes in and takes control is great while it lasts. The percussion here is pretty good. 3AS Final Statement See, this track is SO simple, yet it is dark, sad, and has a strong impact. This is not unlike modern-day soundtracks. I mean, this would sound at home on an episode of the X-Files. I can't rate it too high, because as a standalone track, it doesn't offer *that* much. It really works as part of the whole soundtrack. 3AS In Julie's Eyes This is a reprise of After the Call but quite reworked and with a heavy sequence in front. 3AS Running out of Time I don't think there is a bad track on this CD! Ironically, I think you can hear the beginnings of 90's TD in this track. (That doesn't mean I don't like it!). There are a lot of similar tracks like this on the CD, and I guess it makes sense. The whole movie feels like you are watching the clock, facing down impending doom. I guess that would be why some of these tracks were recycled, or slightly redone for the movie 3'O Clock high. 3AS If it's all Over A reprise of On the Spur of the Moment but somewhat different sounds and there is more progression. While this is a very plain track, I wouldn't *touch* it! Yes, I use the word 'plain' when there are only 2-3 discernable sounds, but it works here! As a standalone piece, this track is hard to quantify. As part of the soundtrack, it's perfect. 3AS People in the News A reprise of After the Call, but balanced quite differently. Electronic guitar sounds out of a keyboard are the primary add-on here, which tries to add a layer to the melody. I think I like the simplicity of the original better, but if I were to see the movie again, the mixing here probably fits the movie more than the purposes of a CD release. 3AS (3.5AS) Museum Walk This is a classical type piece played all with vocal sounds. Argh, I need to rent the movie (good luck finding it!) to see if it is used well in the movie. 2AS Whew! You won't see this much praise lavishly heaped by me on a TD release again until we cover 220 Volt! Believe it or not, I lost my CD of Catch Me if You Can along with my CD case a while back. Not to jump ahead, but I thought this soundtrack was pretty darn good, and pretty interesting with the track played by banging steel pipes. A pity it was not released by TD, as it is very disjointed, with 1 minute long tracks and topping out at about 35 minutes. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22363 Re: D:Soundtrack [Miracle Mile] Long! Szatmari, Pal Sun 5/7/2000 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun May 7, 2000 4:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [Miracle Mile] Long! Wow, you would think I have horrible English from my Miracle Mile post. Please replace the first paragraph with this: Ok folks, this was my introduction to Tangerine Dream. I saw the movie shortly after its release in 1989. If you haven't seen 'Miracle Mile', it is about a nuclear apocalypse, where an average guy answers a ringing a pay phone and overhears plans by a foreign government to launch nuclear weapons at the US early the next day. The rest of the movie is his reaction, from denial to panic, and once the media finds out, reaction from the citizens in what may be their last few hours to live. It's not good to review a soundtrack CD unless you have the movie fresh in your mind so I can review whether or not the music fits. So apologies as I am essentially writing this review in a vacuum, and treating it almost as a standalone album. After hearing all the great music throughout, I made a mental note that the soundtrack was by Tangerine Dream. I didn't start my collecting until many years later. (the rest of the article is as written) -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22366 Re: D:Soundtrack [Miracle Mile] Long! Feldon Feldon Sun 5/7/2000 3 KB From: Wouter Bessels Date: Sun May 7, 2000 9:38 am Subject: Re: KS CS80 years AirWave wrote: >Klaus used a lot more than the CS80 in those days. I agree >that some stringy sounds and brass sounds from that period >is clearly the CS80. I have a CS50 with almost the same sounds. >But to generalize and say everything is CS80 is wrong. For me, the CS80 years of KS (1979-1985) are my favourite. The whole feeling that that particular synth does to KS' music is very hard to describe. Sounds from it can be very dark, abstract, but also very pastoral. For the best examples of his CS80 playing, check out the heavy chords in 'A Few Minutes After Trancefer' on (one of my fave KS' albums) the album 'Trancefer'. 'Sebastian in Traum' from 'Audentity' gives a brilliant example of the abstract CS80 sounds, as well as the live pieces with Arthur Brown during the 1979 tour (the second set after the intermission). Featuring in the 5th box of the Ultimate Edition, there's one track called 'Ein Ruhiger Nachmittag' on the disc 'New Style'. That track (runs over 31 minutes), features ONLY the CS80. A true tour-de-force on that instrument and very much worth checking out. In the same box, there's the soundtrack to 'Walk the Edge' which also features two 'segments' full of abstract sounds coming from the CS80. Nowadays, KS doesn't use the CS80 anymore (you can see it settled in the synth-archive photo on his website), but I think that he does some _brilliant_ stuff with the Polymorth-wall and the Rave-o-lution modules. Certainly a musical flashback to the early eighties stuff, considering hearing live recordings of the Bologna, Radio Fritz and Dosburg concerts. Speaking of other artists/records who have used the CS80 in an excellent way are (even outside the EM scene) for example Camel on 'Stationary Traveller' (check out the intro of a track called 'Vopos') and the new Rocket Scientists CD called 'Oblivion Days' features Erik Norlander playing the CS80 on a couple of instrumental tracks.....also well worth checking out. As far as I'm concerned, TD didn't use the CS80 ever....right ? But they DID use an 'instrument' that KS also used during the 1979-1985 era, and that is the GDS computer.....TD used it on 'Diamond Diary' from the Thief soundtrack and a good example of KS using it can be found on the 'Dig It' album. KS did use it live as well, but not too heavily, as it was pretty difficult to get control over it, together with many other instruments running. Cheers, Wouter NP. Jan Akkerman - Pleasure Point (.....speaking of the Roland GR 300 guitarsynth !!!!) From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun May 7, 2000 10:16 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: KS The Dome Event > From: Craig Chambers [mailto:craigchambers@c...] > > What I have been listening to this week: > Pretty Things 'S.F. Sorrow' > Pretty Things 'Parachute' > Grobschnitt 'Rockpommel's Land' (man, I love this!) Ahhh, I listened to this cd a lot when I was at Vic's place. Didn't know it was that good! If anyone knows where I can still get a copy (hopefully original, not CDR...but I don't think it is available anymore) then contact me! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels Email :mengels@w... From: horrod6 Date: Sun May 7, 2000 12:04 pm Subject: D: Studio [Optical Race] I got this album after a long period of not buying TD. I think the only thing I'd heard since 'Hyperborea' was 'Tyger', which I always regarded as an interesting, but flawed, experiment. So this came as something of a surprise, as you can imagine! For a start, there was the cover - very stark and simple, and making rather clever reference to the logos used in the TV coverage of the Olympics (since passed into everyday usage). It still seems to be a one-off in TD covers, at least of the albums in my collection. In case there are variants around, the review below refers to the 1989 Private cassette. It's kind of 'stream of consciousness' stuff that I scribbled down as I listened to it again today for the first time for a couple of years. MARAKESH: promising beginning, rather abrupt mood changes, some nice ideas that don't seem to have enough room to develop, bog-standard rock and roll drumming, quite good when it gets into its stride, oh was that it? ATLAS EYES: this is the track that should be called Optical Race - it has that ready, set, go! feeling. I like the tom-tom in the background. This is what I tend to hear in my head when people mention the album. MOTHERS OF RAIN: this must be one of a very small number of marches in the EM catalogue. There is absolutely nothing else that stands out about it whatsoever. TWIN SOUL TRIBE: this has some good elements - the use of the tam-tam for punctuation, the 'sucking' noise (something with a reverse envelope, technical guys?), dreamy flute (back to the good old days!) but it's completely pedestrian and never seems to get its act together. Just as it sounds as if it's about to develop into something interesting, it stops. OPTICAL RACE: a gem of its type. Upbeat, poppy, probably the only TD track that makes me want to dance. This is the track that I play to open the eyes of people who _think_ they know what TD is like (i.e. all Teutonic gloom). It really gets going about a minute in, I love the 'fairground' sound at about 1:40 (repeated a few seconds later), and the end is perfect. It's not long enough, but it would become boring if it continued as it was, and it's difficult to see how it could progress. CAT SCAN: an interesting ragbag of ideas, particularly the theme that comes in at about 1:20 (better when it returns with a tom-tom backing towards the end). The bass line is very pedestrian. Unfortunately, all that seems to happen is that the ideas get repeated with no sense of cohesion and little development, until you're bored with them. SUN GATE: this one opens like a really cheesy ballad. If it was played on conventional instruments, you'd expect someone like Scott Walker to come in with the vocals at any minute. The guitar solo is simultaneously wonderful and absolutely naff - it should be played by a bloke with HUGE hair, a hairy chest, and white spandex trousers. It's the sort of thing that inspires a million adolescent boys to pose in front of their bedroom mirror with a tennis racket. And as for the completely over the top drumming - I'll have a pint of whatever he's on! TURNING OFF THE WHEEL: starts with a nice little circular theme. The introduction of the rhythmic element is rather clumsy, but once it gets 'slotted in' there's quite a good layered sound. Someone's put the fear of God into the drummer, so he's gone back to playing rather tentative beginners' exercises, which are completely intrusive and add nothing to the track at all. This could have been good with more time and thought. MIDNIGHT TRAIL: promising start - nice Latin American beat (samba, maybe?), good change of mood, this time the OTT drumming fits in rather nicely, track seems reluctant to finish. GHAZAL (LOVE SONG): a simple little tune, interestingly scored. Unfortunately it's the absolute distilled essence of schmaltzy love song, right down to the soaring violins / voices in the background. Just when you think it's reached its natural conclusion - here come those OTT drums again! After that it improves a bit. In summary: 'Music to dream to', 'music that makes you think', 'music that puts pictures in your head' - these are all terms I use when trying to explain why I like TD so much. None of them (IMO) apply to this album. It has some interesting ideas, most of which seem to get strangled at birth. And although I quite like the 'harpsichord' sound, there's just too much of it. So, not one of my favourites but it still gets the occasional play, usually as background music when I'm travelling, rather than something I really sit down and listen to. LnH Marion From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Sun May 7, 2000 12:07 pm Subject: This weeks Listenings... Hello Dreamers This week I've been mostly listening to; TD - Tangents (Box Set) Mike Oldfield - Amarok Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick Ian Anderson - The Secret Language of Birds Cheers Derek (NP- Beach Scene) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22362 Re: This weeks Listenings... Antonio Nunes Sun 5/7/2000 2 KB 22364 Re: This weeks Listenings... Marcel Engels Sun 5/7/2000 2 KB 22368 Re: This weeks Listenings... Antonio Nunes Sun 5/7/2000 2 KB 22371 Re: This weeks Listenings... Marcel Engels Mon 5/8/2000 3 KB 22386 Re: This weeks Listenings... tom george Tue 5/9/2000 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sun May 7, 2000 2:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: TDI news I know, I know. It was just a joke, anyway, spawned from wishful thinking. But I thought for sure someone would pop up and say, 'Yeah, RIGHT, hoser!' or something like that. Some people responded taking it seriously, so I guess that just underscores how starved we are for a tour, eh? Actually, I think it's a pretty good idea (the Rock and Roll Hall thing). Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...] > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 4:28 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] RE: TDI news > > > >First of all you gotta wonder why they would refer to > themselves in the > >third person; I mean who's writing this stuff, anyway? > > TDI office employees. Not every TDI Music employee, including the > secretary and the janitor, is a member of the band, Tangerine Dream. > > Therefore, the third person. > > klaus > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun May 7, 2000 2:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] This weeks Listenings... This week I've been mostly listening to: TD - Force Majeure (couldn't find the 'cheesiness' mentioned by Jared) TD - Optical Race (I like this album very much except tracks 5 and 10) TD - Soundmill Navigator (I don't mind the noises) Peter Mergener - Noises in the sky (great electronic music from 1999) Frank Van Bogaert - Geographic Eric Snelders - Searching for the arms of venus Eric Snelders - Looking through the eyes of the overworld Antonio Nunes np: 'Secret Music' radio show directly from the internet Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22364 Re: This weeks Listenings... Marcel Engels Sun 5/7/2000 2 KB From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Sun May 7, 2000 2:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [Miracle Mile] Long! >If it's all Over >A reprise of On the Spur of the Moment but somewhat different sounds and >there is more progression. While this is a very plain track, I wouldn't >*touch* it! Yes, I use the word 'plain' when there are only 2-3 discernable >sounds, but it works here! As a standalone piece, this track is hard to >quantify. As part of the soundtrack, it's perfect. 3AS 'wouldn't touch it'... 'it works'... 'it's perfect'... '3AS' Now, someone please explain the system to me! What is this 'AS' point system? When I thought that I came to understand it, Morgan gives a 'perfect' track '3AS'. I thought a perfect track would get a 5. (In Hungary, an excellent mark at school is a '5' i.e. an 'A' in the UK and the USwhile '1' is an 'F'). >(Can I give a half? 2.5AS then!) It seems to be an awkward ranking system. Why don't we use the '1 to 10' range, where 1 sucks and 10 is bliss :) Pal From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun May 7, 2000 4:05 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] This weeks Listenings... > From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:ajogon@m...] > > This week I've been mostly listening to: > > TD - Force Majeure (couldn't find the 'cheesiness' mentioned by Jared) Well, just a little bit of cheesiness at the end of track 1. Jared is right imo about that. They should have left it off. > TD - Optical Race (I like this album very much except tracks 5 and 10) > TD - Soundmill Navigator (I don't mind the noises) Hmmm, the noises I don't mind either...it's the 80% of new material added thats 'bothering' me a little bit :-) What have I've been listening to this week? Not much actually. Anglagard - Hybris Earth and Fire - Atlantis few TD's (mostly boots) testing a few Future Sound of London CDs in my new car :-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels Email :mengels@w... From: Nigelsan@a... Date: Sun May 7, 2000 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: KS The Dome Event hi there y'all, I've just bought the ultimate set (minus the silver edition which I already own) and I am just dipping into it. The Cello is great as is the budapest show and bolonga. Have got a long way to go but very pleased so far.... Keep up the good work Klaus and get off your ass edgar and put out some real retrospective stuff soon. take care Nigel From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun May 7, 2000 4:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [Miracle Mile] Long! >From: 'Szatmari, Pal' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [Miracle Mile] Long! >Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:50:23 +0200 > > >If it's all Over > >A reprise of On the Spur of the Moment but somewhat different sounds and > >there is more progression. While this is a very plain track, I wouldn't > >*touch* it! Yes, I use the word 'plain' when there are only 2-3 >discernable > >sounds, but it works here! As a standalone piece, this track is hard to > >quantify. As part of the soundtrack, it's perfect. 3AS > > >'wouldn't touch it'... 'it works'... 'it's perfect'... '3AS' > >Now, someone please explain the system to me! What is this 'AS' point >system? When I thought that I came to understand it, Morgan gives a >'perfect' track '3AS'. I thought a perfect track would get a 5. What I meant is that, if you were to hear the track by itself, it is rather thin. As part of the soundtrack, it's perfect. So, I would give it a 5AS as part of the whole. It's hard to know how to score these tracks. I ended up scoring Miracle Mile with each track standing alone. That's why a couple of my favorite selections only get a 3AS. I give Miracle Mile a score of 5AS by the way. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Sun May 7, 2000 4:43 pm Subject: [Optical Race] I thought I have done it but now I realize I forgot to review OR. I want to do this because I will definitely not review the next few ones (I don't have some of the soundtrack albums, and I may not feel like writing about Lily or Destination...) OR is for me the bona fide Atari album. I identify it with the start of rigid compositions. Now, this sounds very negative so I must add that OR still has a romantic side for me. The whole album must have been inspired by a trip to Marocco ('Atlas', 'Marakesh', 'tribe', 'Ghazal', 'Mothers of Rain' - that one is said to be an earlier composition though). The 'problem' with OR for me is that it is too 'precise' (however Lily is irritatingly more precise to me). It is like a nice indoor swimming pool with crystal clear water and marble fitting, and almost antiseptic surfaces - you just cannot help thinking 'I will ruin it if I go in for a swim' :) But still, I like most of the tracks. They are just somewhat different from what I had been used to. Unlike so many of you, I am not so much fond of Mothers of Rain (perhaps because of the drumming). I prefer the next track on the album: Twin soul tribe. Actually it became my immediate favourite on the album after the first or second listening. It may very well been inspired by a North-African Beduin tribe, and I can imagine a matching beautiful scene at the edge of the Sahara Desert in Algeria or Marocco with the huge purple rocks and sand dunes and the palm trees with water bending from one group of occasional bushes to another... and the intriguing faces of those who claim it their 'home'. The first half of the track reminded me of the most beautiful arabic phrase I have learnt: 'yataraqraqu'l maa'u' - I cannot write it down correctly in latin letters. Anyway, it means 'purling water' and that is just what I 'hear' when Twin Soul Tribe kicks off. I 'dig' the oriental flute solo a lot ... :) it is a bit short though. The structure of almost all of the tracks are too predictable and filled with clear sounds. These are my feelings about OR, but I repeat that if OR sounds too 'clear' and 'precise' to me, then Lily is blindingly accurate-- :)) p.s. In Arabic 'Ghazal' means Love poem (or you can say 'Love song' as subtitled on the album). Pal (looking forward to the release of OR by TDI so that I can replace my LP with a DQC-ed CD) From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun May 7, 2000 5:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] This weeks Listenings... Marcel Engels wrote: > > Well, just a little bit of cheesiness at the end of track 1. > Jared is right imo about that. They should have left it off. Jared mentioned the cheesiness at the *beginning* of track 1, so obviously you both don't like the same kind of cheese :-) > > TD - Soundmill Navigator (I don't mind the noises) > > Hmmm, the noises I don't mind either...it's the 80% of new material > added thats 'bothering' me a little bit :-) Ok, the first minutes of the CD were not played in the show, but couldn't they have been played at the soundcheck? At least the tangentizing of this album is not so obvious to a non-musician like myself. Sohoman is another story... Antonio Nunes np: Klaus Schulze - The Essential 72-93 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22371 Re: This weeks Listenings... Marcel Engels Mon 5/8/2000 3 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun May 7, 2000 5:37 pm Subject: Homepage update Hi all, I've just updated my homepage for the first time since two months. Go have a look at http://www.caby.de/Music Highlights are: updated new arrivals, inc. new, better versions of most TD London shows, Osnabrück 1999 and Ossiach 1971 videos. updated swaplist, inc. Klaus Schulze Silver Edition and Trancefer halfspeed cut LP. updated remarks and corrections, a file every collector should read from time to time last not least, a new rarity of the month, a Franke demo. have fun ! klaus From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon May 8, 2000 4:11 am Subject: D:Studio [Optical Race] After missing the past several discussion weeks--some because I didn't own the albums in question, and some because I didn't have time to do the reviews--I return for 'Optical Race,' verbosity in hand. --- 1. Marakesh It opens with bright, colorful synth chords, before soon developing a slow, determined beat and a few equally determined layers of sequencing. A foreboding lead soon emerges, but it doesn't stay long, as there's a short breakdown, and then the BPM nearly doubles, heralding the arrival of new sequences and some really nice ethereal synth sounds in the background. Tension builds. This part of the song, especially the main sequence, evokes rolling along a dusty road in some open-roofed vehicle. At 3:20, the BPM suddenly jumps again, as the vehicle picks up speed. The Private Music albums aren't usually thought of for their sequences, but those are what stand out to me in 'Marakesh.' Close to 5:00, there's an impressively smooth transition back to the 'rolling along' phase, which itself eventually reverts back to the 'slow, determined' segment. And then, believe it or not, the bright sound of the intro returns for the end of the track. The circular trick is effective. Overall it's an entertaining journey, and it's one of my favorites of the album. --- 2. Atlas Eyes There's an English horn or something over some soft synth chords in the background, with some bongo-type drums in the beat. Things start to pick up around 1:10 as a heavy kick drum and the Fake Harpsichord(tm) appear. The harpsichord and the English horn (if that's what it is) take turns for a while. At 3:28 there's a nice bridge that could have been a chorus if it were used more than once, and an energetic synth line shows up just before the track ends with a floating synth chord. Interesting, but not riveting. I think it should have been longer, with a bit more variety. --- 3. Mothers of Rain As much as I like this track, there isn't too much to say about it. The chords of synth voices play a majestically beautiful theme throughout. A flutelike sound adds a mildly wistful touch. The slow, thumping beat comes in around 1:45, and a sequence appears around 2:30, and things don't change much from that point on. That's all right, though. I may not sound too enthusiastic about this one, but it's probably my second-favorite track on the album. It's just hard to write about. (Oh, and I like that 'fairy dust' sound.) --- 4. Twin Soul Tribe Another somewhat repetitive one. Interesting title, too. There are several layers of repeating effects. And they, well, repeat. A nice flute lead does eventually show up. This track is okay, but not remarkable--it sounds cool but it doesn't really go anywhere. --- 5. Optical Race Right off the bat (which I believe is the first sports metaphor I've ever used in a review), you can tell that this track is going to upset some people. I think it's fun, and it's timed just right so that it doesn't outlast its welcome. Yes, it's a bit silly, but I have a high tolerance for that. And besides... it has orchestra hits. --- 6. Cat Scan It starts slowly, with a gentle sequence and some Fake Harpsichord(tm), before breaking at about 1:20 into a tense 'chorus' with a completely different, edgier feel. The segment that follows is sort of a hybrid of the first two, with the major-key melodies and harpsichord of the first and the pizzicato pluck sound of the second. There's another run through the 'chorus' before we whoosh into a more anthemic phase at about 2:40. Each of these segments--the mild 'verse,' the tense 'chorus' and the anthemic bridge--is played a few more times without any particularly noticeable changes before the final fadeout. Not bad, but not great. The shifting moods are interesting. --- 7. Sun Gate Here's an interesting one. The beginning is unremarkable and focuses mostly on piano and Fake Harpsichord(tm), but it doesn't last long as the majestic main theme is introduced. It's huge, sweeping, powerful, etc. And it leads into--a guitar solo! It's been a while. This is a perfect demonstration of Edg ar's instantly recognizable style. I love it. That amazing main theme returns, temporarily interrupting the guitar solo. The guitar's 'voice' in the second part of the solo is at first very emotional--possibly bitter or disillusioned--before it soars into the upper atmosphere toward the end. In my opinion it's one of Edgar's all-time best guitar performances, and it lifts the track from 'very good' to 'outstanding.' Definitely the highlight of the album for me. --- 8. Turning Off the Wheel Not much happens in 'Turning Off the Wheel.' There's a sequence, there's a repeating bassline, and there are synth voices. There's also a recurring hit on what may or may not be a guitar. And drums. That's really about it. I wanted to go into more detail, but I couldn't. I don't actively dislike it, but it doesn't hold my interest. --- 9. The Midnight Trail There's a bit more action in this one. Some vaguely guitar-like sounds (or is it the harpsichord again?) and a nice pitch-bending bassline make up most of the first part, with a simple sequence appearing before long. Tension gradually builds, before releasing at about 2:00 amid thundering toms and chords on the harpsichord. A pounding beat (well, pounding by this album's standards) emerges. Just before 3:30 the beat disappears and the track suddenly takes a turn for the atmospheric, becoming reminiscent of some parts of 'Sphinx Lightning.' We remain amid the peaceful synth strings and sporadic fragments of melody for the rest of the piece. This one's pretty nice, but it could stand to be longer. --- 10. Ghazal (Love Song) This one sounds, to me, as though it were written for solo piano or acoustic guitar, and it sounds a bit odd on synths. Until about 2:15, that is, when it suddenly expands into a collage of synth voices, pleasant sequencing, and more of those toms. It's all rather pretty, and I rank it as one of the better tracks on the album. --- To me this album is worth having just for 'Marakesh,' 'Mothers of Rain' and 'Sun Gate.' The other tracks depend a bit more on the state I'm in when I listen (there are times when I'll agreeably nod along to 'Twin Soul Tribe' and times when I just want it to hurry up and do something). The mid-late '80s are not really a favorite period of mine in TD's history, so I don't give 'Optical Race' a great deal of listening. But, like nearly every TD album, it has some brilliant moments that keep it from gathering much dust. --Daniel NP: the Brain--Access and Amplify (does anybody else have this album? I like it a bunch) From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon May 8, 2000 6:11 am Subject: RE: [tadream] This weeks Listenings... > From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:ajogon@m...] > > Jared mentioned the cheesiness at the *beginning* of track 1, so > obviously you both don't like the same kind of cheese :-) Haha...I do remember he mentioned it yes. I hear no cheese at the beginning though. > Ok, the first minutes of the CD were not played in the show, but > couldn't they have been played at the soundcheck? At least the > tangentizing of this album is not so obvious to a non-musician like > myself. Sohoman is another story... Hmm very unlikely. It sounds so fresh. Just listen to the sequencer and mellotrons that were really played then on the disc...it sounds different then the beginning. The beginning is not that bad, I like it more then most other beginnings from the new albums. But listening to the beginning of Encore, Patrolling etc etc then you just know the beginnings were different then this one. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels Email :mengels@w... From: Jens Kilian Date: Mon May 8, 2000 7:27 am Subject: Re: Help about Electronic Music If you are on a tight budget, you may want to have a look at synthesis software before starting to spend money. There are *many* software synthesizers, sequencers etc. out there. One interesting and totally free system is Csound (http://www.csounds.com/, http://mitpress.mit.edu/e-books/csound/frontpage.html). Csound has decades of history behind it. HTH, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: 'colin anderson' Date: Mon May 8, 2000 8:34 am Subject: Re: D: Optical Race Morgan wrote on Optical Race in digest 486: Cat Scan 'Arrrgh! Cheeseriffic at 2:45-3:00' Ghazal (Love Song) 'Arrrrgh! Rescue me from Doogie Howser....but the patch sounds like a $100 keyboard' On listening to OR again, which I thought was great at the time, yeah - you're right - a few tracks do sound really gooey. But then again, there's a good few FFS tracks or bits of tracks that I'd argue are well and truly in the same league e.g. White Eagle (cheesy and squidgy) Logos Part 2 (the plink-plonk bit and weedy section after the slow monotonous section - cheap and nasty sounding) All I'm saying is that I don't recall any complaints about this sort of weak stuff and cheap sounds when Logos or White Eagle were being reviewed and these are generally accepted as being 'classic' tracks. We're maybe letting our FFS fond nostaglia get in the way a bit of objective reviews and unfairly having a go at anything that has a Haslinger-Froese tag. Morgan - I'm not having a go at you on this - it's a general observation so don't take offence mate. From: 'Jens Kilian' Date: Tue May 9, 2000 12:18 am Subject: Meaning of 'Ghazal' > From: 'Szatmari, Pal' > Subject: [Optical Race] [...] > p.s. In Arabic 'Ghazal' means Love poem (or you can say 'Love song' as > subtitled on the album). Thinking back to my Arabic lessons, I beg to differ. 'Ghazal' is a kind of antelope ('Gazelle' in German - the word evidently was loaned from Arabic). Ma`a salaama, Jens (who doesn't *really* speak Arabic :-) -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22375 Re: Meaning of 'Ghazal' Synthhtnys@a... Mon 5/8/2000 2 KB 22381 Re: Meaning of 'Ghazal' Szatmari, Pal Mon 5/8/2000 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon May 8, 2000 9:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Meaning of 'Ghazal' << Thinking back to my Arabic lessons, I beg to differ. 'Ghazal' is a kind of antelope ('Gazelle' in German - the word evidently was loaned from Arabic). Ma`a salaama, Jens >> * Well, maybe both are true, but Ghazal DOES mean 'love song' It's a Sufi tradition...... Poly From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon May 8, 2000 11:09 am Subject: [tadream] Homepage update Hi all, Some of you might be interested to know that some new full-size images have been added to my film discography, thanks to Steven Feldman for these: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/firestarter.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/flashpoint.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/frightnight.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/identification.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/rainbow.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/risky.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/shypeople.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/sorcerer.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/streethawk.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/thekeep.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/thief.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/visionquest.html Paul From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Mon May 8, 2000 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Optical Race] From: > 5. Optical Race > Right off the bat (which I believe is the first sports metaphor I've ever > used in a review), you can tell that this track is going to upset some > people. I think it's fun, and it's timed just right so that it doesn't > outlast its welcome. Yes, it's a bit silly, but I have a high tolerance for > that. And besides... it has orchestra hits. Remember that _Optical Race_ came out in 1988, and there were a deluge of Olympic-based feature albums around that time. This song could simply have been a nod to that genre (and as a follow up to 'A Time for Heroes'). - jim From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Mon May 8, 2000 1:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Homepage update From: 'Paul Fellows' > http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/frightnight.html Despite what IMDB says, I don't think TD did the music to _Fright Night_. I can't say who *did* at this time, but I remember reading the credits on the video box and learning that it was *not* TD. - jim From: Vincent Goudreault Date: Mon May 8, 2000 2:05 pm Subject: Re: Soundtrack Miracle Mile > Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 23:44:06 CDT > From: 'Feldon Feldon' > Subject: Re: D:Soundtrack [Miracle Mile] Long! > > Ok folks, this was my introduction to Tangerine Dream. I saw the movie > shortly after its release in 1989. If you haven't seen 'Miracle Mile', it is > about a nuclear apocalypse, where an average guy answers a ringing a pay > phone and overhears plans by a foreign government to launch nuclear weapons > at the US early the next day. The rest of the movie is his reaction, from Well, actually, you have it in reverse. The guy answers a public phone that was ringing from a wrong number, someone in a missile silo who was trying to warn his father that they had been ordered to launch a preemptive nuclear strike on Russia. The result was that they expected the Russians to strike back as soon as they detected the US missiles, hence the reason the missile silo guy wanted to call his dad so he could get away from the big cities. A very tense movie, well served by a good soundtrack. > denial to panic, and once the media finds out, reaction from the citizens in > what may be their last few hours to live. It's not good to review a (...) C.B.V. Goudreault autonomously breathing since 11:50 AM EST February 17 1957 online 'tadream' since early 1993, TD fan since 1977 first exposure: Stratosfear, fave albums: Rubycon/Ricochet From: 'Jared White' Date: Mon May 8, 2000 3:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Optical Race] Hi, Daniel, > After missing the past several discussion weeks--some because I didn't own > the albums in question, and some because I didn't have time to do the > reviews--I return for 'Optical Race,' verbosity in hand. > To me this album is worth having just for 'Marakesh,' 'Mothers of Rain' and > 'Sun Gate.' The other tracks depend a bit more on the state I'm in when I > listen (there are times when I'll agreeably nod along to 'Twin Soul Tribe' > and times when I just want it to hurry up and do something). > > The mid-late '80s are not really a favorite period of mine in TD's history, > so I don't give 'Optical Race' a great deal of listening. But, like nearly > every TD album, it has some brilliant moments that keep it from gathering > much dust. Thank you for your excellent review -- I enjoyed reading it very much! The mid-late '80's is not my favorite period of TD's either -- nor is Optical Race my favorite TD album. But I like it very much, and I was excited to see a detailed, objective review of OR that put the analysis of the music above personal opinion, and then put personal opinion forward as being no more than that. I happened to agree with most of your personal opinions -- but even if I hadn't, there wouldn't have been much to argue about! Objectivity rules! ;) Take care, Jared P. S. I've all of a sudden been swamped with work lately, so I may not get my own review of Optical Race in for a while. Thank you for being patient -- please welcome....etc. :) From: 'Szatmari, Pal' Date: Mon May 8, 2000 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Meaning of 'Ghazal' ><< Thinking back to my Arabic lessons, I beg to differ. 'Ghazal' is a kind > of antelope ('Gazelle' in German - the word evidently was loaned from >Arabic). > Ma`a salaama, > Jens >> > >* Well, maybe both are true, but Ghazal DOES mean 'love song' >It's a Sufi tradition...... > >Poly Now you made me look it up in my dictionary although I was taughted 'ghazals' in Syria... :) Ghazal means 'flirt, flirtation, dalliance, dallying; love, words of love, cooing of lovers; love poetry, erotic poetry' (The Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic) What Jens is talking about is 'ghazaal' (with a long 'aa'): that one really means 'gazelle' Pal 'Ylaa'llyka'!' :) From: 'Steve Yensen' Date: Mon May 8, 2000 8:07 pm Subject: Mrs Polaris, Mars Polaris, Mars Polaris, Mars Polaris, Mars ... I sez: >>Latest albums in the old rust wagon this week: >>... >>TD - Mars Polaris; now this one gets better all the time ... 'Feldon Feldon' sez: >Ok, I keep seeing this obsession with Mars Polaris. Er, excuse me, how can one single MP post from a lurker be an obsession? Paging Dr. Rozsa, paging Dr. Rozsa ... >I have the CD, (complete with broken case and half-broken teeth >so the case doesn't actually HOLD the CD in place). Ever tried replacing the case? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the MP jewel case looks just like any other clear plastic CD case ... >I've listened to it twice and nothing on there really inspires >me. I'll listen to it ONE more time when I get home. Anyways, >why do I have to listen to an album 3 times to get to like it? >Dream Mixes 1 and 2 each took 1 listen, not to mention virtually >every TD album from 1974-1987. Fine. You don't like an album. You don't have to, you know ... And Rainer, 'Hamburger Concerto' was a gem I picked up from Long Eaton flea market. Absolutely brilliant!! Steve. - -- Home: syensen@i... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... See Charlie and Bertie on http://www.beaglebuddies.com/charlie/charlie.html No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this e-mail ... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22385 Focus Rainer Rutka Tue 5/9/2000 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Mon May 8, 2000 8:47 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] TD CDs in Denmark Hello Thanks for the info, I have already ordered a couple of CD's from cdon.com. I am expecting some TD soon =) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Airwave To: Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 1:36 AM Subject: [tadream] TD CDs in Denmark > Pergamon wrote: > > > Actually I am only impressed by a shop if they can get the CD's I want. TD > > CD's is often very hard to find here in Denmark. > > Not if you search www.cdon.com > They usually carry the latest TD CDs and ship them in > Denmark, Norway and Sweden and very reasonable prices > (considering the normal prices of CDs Denmark). > > AirWave. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *--- FREE VOICEMAIL FOR YOUR HOME PHONE! ---* > With eVoice Now you can keep in touch with clients, vendors, co-workers, > friends and family ANYTIME, ANYWHERE. Sign Up Today for FREE! > http://click.egroups.com/1/3426/5/_/24785/_/957565768/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue May 9, 2000 8:48 am Subject: Paul Ellis - Appears to Vanish I'm pleased to announce the release of my new album Appears to Vanish on the Neu Harmony Label... I work in the 'Berlin School' style of electronic music, which encompasses ambient open soundscapes to hard driving sequences. What would differentiate me from some in this style is I lean towards compositions rather than improvisations. I've included some recent reviews below... 'The shifting sounds and themes are nothing short of fantastic. Truly stellar electronic music. The leads, the sequencing, the transitions are all deftly executed..... a very satisfying sonic excursion.' Phil Derby - Sequences magazine. 'Images of vast caverns...strange futuristic machines pulsate away... a watery scene ... spraying in all directions ... the sun breaking through sending rays of light bouncing off still pools...It all goes to show you how descriptive sequencer music can be when placed in the right hands.' Dave Law - Synth Music Direct. 'Interesting chord changes and bold melodies make this stand out from the majority of currently circulating EM. It's a fine example of the 'composed' style of TD first seen in Stratosfear. Inspired key changes recall some of Schulze's finer moments. There's real craft in every track a sense of being in control of each sound and each melodic line. For those that appreciate such things, this is a no-brainer - buy it.' Grant Middleton - Under the Dome 'Thank you for sending your new masterpiece 'Appears to Vanish' It sounds great, man. Your music is so much like a long aural journey I think your stuff just keeps getting better and better.' Robert Carty 'Very impressive really - especially all the elements which fit so perfectly - every timbre just right, and the building, developing repetitions - almost a 'sound on sound' ala Fripp and Eno. It's a really mind-expanding album. I like 'Appears to Vanish' More each listening... It's a great example of modern classical sequencer work.' Rudy Adrian Appears to Vanish is available @ www.neuharm.demon.co.uk Thanks for your time Poly From: Rainer Rutka Date: Tue May 9, 2000 9:47 am Subject: Focus On Mon, 8 May 2000, Steve Yensen wrote: > And Rainer, 'Hamburger Concerto' was a gem I picked up from Long Eaton flea > market. Absolutely brilliant!! I know. Like the other Focus records. The title track of HC is one of the best tracks I ever heard. And yes - it's brilliant! Pick up 'Focus 3' if you can get it! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td (last update 05.05.00) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'tom george' Date: Tue May 9, 2000 1:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] This weeks Listenings... hi antonio, i agree with you on this. i like this cd alot. tom -- On Sun, 07 May 2000 15:32:40 Antonio Nunes wrote: >TD - Soundmill Navigator (I don't mind the noises) > >Antonio Nunes > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue May 9, 2000 7:42 pm Subject: Concerning the Spread of TD hey, all, j.gordon here... just thought, in the vein of the Preacher of long ago, i'd spread a little of the news of TD's spread in the world... a friend of mine picked up on TD through yours truly a couple of years back and has remained a die-hard ever since - providing the album is ToB... he doesn't really dig anything else... sigh... well, some is better than none... anyway, he's now positioned at a prostegious business firm in Zurich... their v.p. hated the hold music, and my friend convinced him to give ToB a try... and now, it is on constant repeat... you can call any time and hear TD playing away while you while away the hours on hold... strange but true... still spreading the word... j.g. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: Glynn Naughton Date: Wed May 10, 2000 10:09 am Subject: D: Studio [Miracle Mile] Hello there, I always thought that the timing of this film was really weird. I seem to remember it coming out in 1988...but the Cold War was clearly coming to an end then, and the film just didn't have the same impact that it would have had a couple of years earlier. OK, the Berlin Wall wasn't down yet, but Gorbachev was in office, 'perestroika' and 'glasnost' were the buzzwords popping up everywhere, and it was clear that the threat of nuclear armageddon was fast disappearing into history. Releasing a film with that subject matter at that time was equivalent to releasing a WWII propaganda film in 1946. TD's association with this film is a microcosm of their soundtrack career: always missing the boat (they didn't get _Miami Vice_, which would have given them enormous mainstream publicity) and having to make do with crumbs, B-movies and second-rate features generally. The music? Pretty generic 1989 stuff, to me. Sounds exactly the same as _Destination Berlin_ and _Lily on the Beach_. Glynn Recent listening: Tom Jones: _Reload_, George Michael: _Songs from the Last Century_, Robbie Williams: _Life Thru a Lens_, original cast recording of _Chicago_, Jools Holland and His Rhythm 'n' Blues Orchestra: _Sex and Jazz and Rock 'n' Roll_, various things by Anton Webern, various James Bond film soundtracks. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22407 Re: D: Studio [Miracle Mile] Feldon Feldon Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu May 11, 2000 3:05 am Subject: KS Box Sets I know someone looking for the sets, if anyone has one or more to offer....Please contact me off list. Regards, Michael A. Jean Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Thu May 11, 2000 2:49 pm Subject: Phaedra review wanted Hey, I would like to ask if someone would care to make a mini-review of Phaedra of around 140 - 170 words. The review should explain why it is considered a classic and what are the outstanding aspects of it. The review is supposed to be part of 'essential EM classics you must own' at my Emusic website (see signature). I also need the following: Music rating: How many points out of 10 do you give it Sound quality rating: How many points out of 10 do you give it Cover artwork rating: How many points out of 10 do you give it Playing time: Label: Release year: Thanks, Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Stuff www.folkvord.net/jarrestuff Emusic http://w3.to/_emusic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22393 Re: Phaedra review wanted Joe Shoults Thu 5/11/2000 2 KB From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Thu May 11, 2000 7:24 pm Subject: computer down hi dreamers had a major system crash i have lost everyones email address please forward you addresses to me thanks mckee17@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22396 Re: computer down John Marchington Fri 5/12/2000 3 KB 22536 Re: computer down TomX01@a... Thu 5/18/2000 1 KB From: hghlndr@t... Date: Thu May 11, 2000 8:23 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze multi CD sets I recommend anyone looking for any of the multi CD sets from Klaus Schulze to contact Archie at Eurock. (at least for those of you in the USA) http://www.eurock.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22398 Re: Klaus Schulze multi CD sets Kees Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB 22399 Re: Klaus Schulze multi CD sets Synthhtnys@a... Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB 22404 Re: Klaus Schulze multi CD sets Craig Chambers Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB 22405 Re: Klaus Schulze multi CD sets Heiko Heerssen Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB 22434 Re: Klaus Schulze multi CD sets Kees Sat 5/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu May 11, 2000 11:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Phaedra review wanted this is not _exactly_ what you asked for, but a realaudio interview with EM artists like Ian Boddy, and I think John Serrie and a guy from Redshift that talk about how Phaedra influenced them. go to www.tadream.net and click on 'Listen!', then look for the Phaedra link. > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Folkvord [mailto:folkvord@n...] ... > I would like to ask if someone would care to make a > mini-review of Phaedra of around 140 - 170 words. The review > should explain why it is considered a classic and what are > the outstanding aspects of it. > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 3:01 am Subject: House of the Rising Sun / Streethawk This evening I ran across a copy of the REFLEX magazine with the Flexi Single of House of the Rising Sun. It also features a nice interview in which Edgar says ' In the old days a classical composer who worked on a big piece was often writing music for half a year or three quarters of a year.for about 30-40 minutes of music. Today's film composers must do the smae thing in three weeks. It was even worse when we did Streethawk. It was a nightmare. The problme was that we had to deliver a new sequence within five days and sometimes they were asking for a sequence of 50 to 55 minutes each time! So we were working sometimes 14 and 16 hours a day. To this day I don't know what Universal is doing with all those masses of music. We are not allowed to release even a single out of the Streethawk music. They didn't even want to do the one single we put on Le Parc. That involved a long negotiation between lawyers and ourselves and we had to change the title on the song and so forth. They could release five LPs of that stuff. We wouldn't want to release all the msuic in album form, but we could put together an LP of the best sequences. We know there is brillliant music there which has never been released. A lot of chasing music. I remember we did some experimental stuff with new ways of getting sequences together.' I wonder if TDI will mange to get control of this material anytime in the near future. Otherwise, perhaps we should get on Universal's case... If anyone is interested in the whole interview or the FLEXI single check out EBAY, because I just put it up for auction. MJ Regards, Michael A. Jean Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22395 Re: House of the Rising Sun / Streethawk Sean Montgomery Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB 22400 Re: Streethawk Michael A Jean Fri 5/12/2000 3 KB 22406 Re: House of the Rising Sun / Streethawk Jim Moore Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB 22421 Re: House of the Rising Sun / Streethawk Owens, James E Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB 22422 Re: House of the Rising Sun / Streethawk Owens, James E Fri 5/12/2000 3 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri May 12, 2000 3:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] House of the Rising Sun / Streethawk I was pretty excited when I read that interview back in 88, but given that another 12 years have passed with no sign of Streekhawk music, I wouldn't hold my breath for that material. And bear in mind what happened to the music from The Keep when it finally saw the light of day. Can anyone who's actually heard TD's music from the show vouch for its quality? SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22400 Re: Streethawk Michael A Jean Fri 5/12/2000 3 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 3:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] computer down Hi Duncan, We've never actually communicated before, but I now have two e-mail addresses in case you ever want to write to me about TD or associated EM. The addresses are johnm@p... and johnm@f... I've just joined the second one, which offers free internet usage. I intend keeping on subscribing to the first one as well as I receive all the tadream mail through it. As you can see, I live in New Zealand in a city called Lower Hutt which is about 16 km north of the country's capital, Wellington. I hope your system's fully operational now. Good luck. Regards, John Marchington. ----- Original Message ----- From: duncan mckee To: Sent: Friday, 12 May 2000 07:24 Subject: [tadream] computer down > hi dreamers > had a major system crash > i have lost everyones email address > please forward you addresses to me > > thanks > > > mckee17@m... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > There's still time to order Calyx & Corolla flowers for mom. > These fresh and elegant bouquets are available for delivery > by Mother's Day. To order, please visit > http://click.egroups.com/1/4103/5/_/24785/_/958073093/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'John Marchington' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 3:48 am Subject: I meant to respond to Duncan McKee's request privately and it wasn't until after I'd sent my reply that I realised everyone on the list would get it. My humblest apologies. BTW, I'd prefer receiving any private e-mail via the Paradise address, at least for the moment. All the list mail should still be sent there as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Kees Date: Fri May 12, 2000 7:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze multi CD sets At 20:23 11-5-00 +0000, you wrote: > I recommend anyone looking for any of the multi CD sets from Klaus >Schulze to contact Archie at Eurock. (at least for those of you in >the USA) > >http://www.eurock.com How about saving 20% or so and go to: http://www.groove.nl All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri May 12, 2000 10:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze multi CD sets In a message dated 5/12/2000 7:43:41 AM !!!First Boot!!!, kees.a@u... writes: << How about saving 20% or so and go to: http://www.groove.nl All the best. Kees >> * I'll second that emotion.... besides, Kees is a nice guy.... From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 12:16 pm Subject: RE: Streethawk I saw every episode, and I liked the music alot...It was the only reason I watched the show! > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@t...] > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 10:02 PM > To: Tadreamonelist > Subject: Re: [tadream] House of the Rising Sun / Streethawk > > > > > > I was pretty excited when I read that interview back in 88, but given that > another 12 years have passed with no sign of Streekhawk music, I wouldn't > hold my breath for that material. And bear in mind what happened to the > music from The Keep when it finally saw the light of day. Can anyone > who's actually heard TD's music from the show vouch for its quality? > > > > SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator > > T O P I X / Mad Dog > http://www.topix.com/~sean > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > There's still time to order Calyx & Corolla flowers for mom. > These fresh and elegant bouquets are available for delivery > by Mother's Day. To order, please visit > http://click.egroups.com/1/4103/5/_/24785/_/958101179/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Fri May 12, 2000 12:27 pm Subject: RE: Phaedra review wanted - calm down, guys! Dear Dreamers, > From: 'Glenn Folkvord' > Subject: Phaedra review wanted > > I would like to ask if someone would care to make a mini-review of Phaedra of > around 140 - 170 words. The review should explain why it is considered a > classic and what are the outstanding aspects of it. > > The review is supposed to be part of 'essential EM classics you must own' at > my Emusic website (see signature). I also need the following: > > Music rating: How many points out of 10 do you give it > Sound quality rating: How many points out of 10 do you give it > Cover artwork rating: How many points out of 10 do you give it > Playing time: > Label: > Release year: Let's continue with such activities: I want to put up a classical music webpage. I have never listened to any Beethoven and Johann Sebastian Bach records. - Anyone out there is willing to drop me some lines saying why they probably are the most important composers...?!? ;-) Do you *really* believe that is it really necessary for everyone to put up his own electronic music or TD web page, even if he obviously has no detailed idea of what he is talking about? Is this the only way to make clear to the fan community that one is a real die-hard fan, even if one obviously has never listened to 'Phaedra'? Is this the idea behind the Internet Freedom Act: Everyone is allowed to publish everything about any item, no matter whether he knows something about his subject or not? And who in the end will be willing to read all those thousands of amateur TD pages with wrong, half-wrong or senseless contents when eventually everyone who is able to spell the word 'Dream' will have established his own www site? Anyone out there who believes that this will help to bring forward our favourite thing? Calm down guys... Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22403 Re: Phaedra review wanted - calm down, guys! Heiko Heerssen Fri 5/12/2000 3 KB 22425 Re: Phaedra review wanted - calm down, guys! Whiteley, Steve Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB 22426 Re: Phaedra review wanted - calm down, guys! Joe Shoults Sat 5/13/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 12, 2000 12:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Streethawk Michael A Jean wrote: > I saw every episode, and I liked the music alot...It was the only reason I > watched the show! I saw various episodes and also liked the music very much, not knowing at that time that the music was played by TD! But I still try to imagine what might have happened if TD had been doing the 'Miami Vice' soundtrack instead. Fame and fortune? Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22412 TD / Miami Vice Sean Montgomery Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 12, 2000 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Phaedra review wanted - calm down, guys! peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: > Do you *really* believe that is it really necessary for everyone to put up his > own electronic music or TD web page, even if he obviously has no detailed idea > of what he is talking about? Is this the only way to make clear to the fan > community that one is a real die-hard fan, even if one obviously has never > listened to 'Phaedra'? Is this the idea behind the Internet Freedom Act: > Everyone is allowed to publish everything about any item, no matter whether he > knows something about his subject or not? And who in the end will be willing to > read all those thousands of amateur TD pages with wrong, half-wrong or > senseless contents when eventually everyone who is able to spell the word > 'Dream' will have established his own www site? Anyone out there who believes > that this will help to bring forward our favourite thing? > > Calm down guys... Hi Peter, it seems you are the 'guy who has to calm down'.... '....all those thousands of amateur TD pages with wrong, half-wrong or senseless contents when eventually everyone who is able to spell the word 'Dream' will have established his own www site?' I know quite a lot TD fan pages and some I like very much (Duncan McKee, Peter Ravn, Klaus Beschorner, to name but a few)... they may be amateur homepages but they are far from being wrong, half-wrong or containing senseless contents. They provide useful informations which helped me a lot for building up my own TD collection. Of course there are also fanpages which are far from being informative or well-made...but I think everyone has the right to build up his own page on the www, regardless how much or less talent he/she has. And if I decide to put up my own TD fanpage I'll do it, it's that simple! Heiko From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 1:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze multi CD sets > > << How about saving 20% or so and go to: http://www.groove.nl > All the best. > Kees >> > > * I'll second that emotion.... besides, Kees is a nice guy.... I'll 3rd it! Not only are Groove's prices better, Kees is a nice guy, and the US dollar is pretty strong against the Euro, so consider Groove in the future too. And, no offense to Archie, Kees has a much more comprehensive catalog. From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 12, 2000 1:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze multi CD sets Craig Chambers wrote: > I'll 3rd it! Not only are Groove's prices better, Kees is a nice guy, and > the US dollar is pretty strong against the Euro, so consider Groove in the > future too. And, no offense to Archie, Kees has a much more comprehensive > catalog. ...plus you also get bonus points for each item you are buying. I bought quite a lot at Groove over the last 1-2 years and already got 3 cd's (of my choice!) for free. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22434 Re: Klaus Schulze multi CD sets Kees Sat 5/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 1:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] House of the Rising Sun / Streethawk > I was pretty excited when I read that interview back in 88, but given that > another 12 years have passed with no sign of Streekhawk music, I wouldn't > hold my breath for that material. And bear in mind what happened to the > music from The Keep when it finally saw the light of day. Can anyone > who's actually heard TD's music from the show vouch for its quality? Considering the quality of the show, it's a great soundtrack; and some of the chase sequences are *spectacular*. In fact, some of the music for the show did show up elsewhere. One of the sequences appeared in Schmoelling's _Weivund Reit_ on the 'Zeit for Stephan' (I think I butchered the spelling on that one). Another section made it to the _Vision Quest_ soundtrack (wait, that wasn't released either! Damn!) - jim From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 2:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Studio [Miracle Mile] >From: Glynn Naughton >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: ''tadream@egroups.com'' >Subject: [tadream] D: Studio [Miracle Mile] >Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:09:00 +0100 > >Hello there, > >I always thought that the timing of this film was really weird. I seem to >remember it coming out in 1988...but the Cold War was clearly coming to an >end then, and the film just didn't have the same impact that it would have >had a couple of years earlier. OK, the Berlin Wall wasn't down yet, but >Gorbachev was in office, 'perestroika' and 'glasnost' were the buzzwords >popping up everywhere, and it was clear that the threat of nuclear >armageddon was fast disappearing into history. Miracle Mile is not about Russia or the USSR. There are other countries besides the former Soviet Union that have nuclear weapons. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri May 12, 2000 2:28 pm Subject: Ostmusik Hej Just a short question: What does the abbreviation OST stand for in connection with a CD? In Swedish it is not an abbreviation but a noun and means cheese. Don't think I can draw any conclusions out of that unless it means that the music on the CD is cheesy. Could it be Original Soundtrack maybe??? A good weekend to You all! Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22409 Re: Ostmusik Heiko Heerssen Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB 22411 Re: Ostmusik Feldon Feldon Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri May 12, 2000 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ostmusik olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > Hej > > Just a short question: > > What does the abbreviation OST stand for in connection with a CD? It's 'Original Soundtrack'...Your subject header 'Ostmusik' really grabbed my attention, at first I thought it was a (not so nice) description of music coming out of the eastern part of Germany (formerly German Democratic Republic) ;-) > In Swedish it is not an abbreviation but a noun and means cheese. Jarlsberg Pop! ~LOL~ > Don't think I can draw any conclusions out of that unless it means that the > music > on the CD is cheesy. Speaking of cheesy...when is 'Rockoon' going to be discussed on 'D: week'? (asbestos suit on! ;-) > Could it be Original Soundtrack maybe??? Sweden: 12 points! (btw, watch out for Germany's 'Wadde hadde dude da' song tomorrow evening on the Grand Prix de la Chanson song contest! Germans do have a (bad) sense of humour!) Heiko From: Nigbur D Date: Fri May 12, 2000 2:50 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Fantasy role-players wanted! Sorry for the off-topic... I am looking for list members with an interest in fantasy role-playing to start a play-by-email campaign. Marion (who has already agreed to take part) and I are aware that there are at least a couple of others on the list who enjoy role-playing games, and since we have our passion for TD in common already, we thought that a call for participation on this list might yield an interesting, international, and friendly group of gamers. The game will take place in a fantasy setting and proceed according to the rules of the Palladium Fantasy RPG (2nd edition, with some modifications). No knowledge of the system is required to participate. So, if you'd be interested in joining us, please let me know and I'll supply some further information. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS ADDRESS - instead, please address replies to Dennis@m... Thanks, and sorry again for the OT. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22472 Re: OT: Fantasy role-players wanted! Steven Feldman Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB 22515 Re: OT: Fantasy role-players wanted! PENFOLD Wed 5/17/2000 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ostmusik >From: olle.rundgren@s... >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Ostmusik >Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:28:02 +0200 > >Hej > >Just a short question: > >What does the abbreviation OST stand for in connection with a CD? >In Swedish it is not an abbreviation but a noun and means cheese. Don't >think I can draw any conclusions out of that unless it means that the music >on the CD is cheesy. > >Could it be Original Soundtrack maybe??? Original SoundTrack -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri May 12, 2000 3:14 pm Subject: TD / Miami Vice On Fri, 12 May 2000, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > But I still try to imagine what might have happened if TD had been doing > the 'Miami Vice' soundtrack instead. Fame and fortune? An interesting hypothetical question. Would a TD-penned Miami Vice theme have gone Top 10 in the charts, as Jan Hammer's did? But there are other issues too. Miami Vice would have represented a major time commitment, and the show lasted for a few years (1984-1989). If they had stuck with the show for most of that time (as Hammer did..for the first four season's, anyway), what impact would it have had on the band's evolution? Would Johannes and Chris have stuck around longer? Would they have had time to do any other soundtrack work, or even studio albums? Would the poppy computerized electronics of Optical Race have happened? Would the band have endured as long as it has? SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Roger Hartopp Date: Fri May 12, 2000 3:28 pm Subject: Is Force Majeure really a classic? On my radio programme tonight (in Poland, folks) I'm going to be playing 'Cloudburst Flight'. Today I've been listening to 'Force Majeure', and, yes, I do like the album very much, but after the first four and a half minutes of 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks' - well, I'm sorry, but I have to stop the CD there. I know the last nine minutes of the trach were put together in a freak accident in the studio, but nine or so minutes? It just strikes me as filling up tape space. On a separate note, thank you to those who have contacted me on gmroger@y... who have music they would like to me to play on my programme. I will try to get back to you all soon. Also, are there any particular rare tracks you'd like to hear on the show? 'Astral Voyager' can be heard on Friday nights, 11.00pm European Time, on www.rak.krakow.pl or - if you're lucky enough to live in Krakow, Poland - 100.5FM... Hey, send me some requests and I'll mention you on the show! To finish, 'Tyger' - vocals and all - is my favourite album. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22415 Re: Is Force Majeure really a classic? Owens, James E Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB 22423 Re: Is Force Majeure really a classic? DEREK LAING Fri 5/12/2000 4 KB 22429 Re: Is Force Majeure really a classic? Frank Arellano Sat 5/13/2000 4 KB 22430 Re: Is Force Majeure really a classic? Marcel Engels Sat 5/13/2000 2 KB 22437 Re: Is Force Majeure really a classic? Owens, James E Sat 5/13/2000 3 KB 22471 TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Real So Steven Feldman Mon 5/15/2000 3 KB 22475 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Sean Montgomery Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB 22478 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Jared White Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB 22482 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Gabe Yedid Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri May 12, 2000 5:23 pm Subject: my short trip to the US Hi all, I'll be in Phoenix, AZ from May 13 (tomorrow) to 18. Anyone for a beer and a chat ? Too bad my laptop just died on me, so I'll not be able to access my private email while on the road. But you should be able to reach me on klaus.beschorner@t... or my webmail account at tdklaus@w... or by leaving a message with the Tokyo Electron Arizona front desk at (480) 507 8100. cheers, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-171-7338969 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 6:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Is Force Majeure really a classic? Be careful, you might stir up a lynch mob with that subject... *grin* > -----Original Message----- > but after the first four and a > half minutes of 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks' - well, I'm > sorry, but I have to stop the CD there. From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 6:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD / Miami Vice From: 'Sean Montgomery' > > But I still try to imagine what might have happened if TD had been doing > > the 'Miami Vice' soundtrack instead. Fame and fortune? > An interesting hypothetical question. Would a TD-penned Miami Vice theme > have gone Top 10 in the charts, as Jan Hammer's did? Of course, finding Jan Hammer's music anymore is even harder than finding TD's... So it may have been for the best that they didn't do the show. For that reason, most people couldn't name who did the theme to _Chariots of Fire_ if you asked them, although they all know the song. - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22419 Re: TD / Miami Vice Joe Shoults Fri 5/12/2000 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 6:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Is [Force Majeure] really a classic? are you kidding? IMHO, it is some of the most fortuitous accidental brilliance I've ever heard (if it makes any sense to say it that way). But I don't think it was a whole 9 minutes that was out of control... the part where the guitar comes in at 4:17 until 6:47 isn't necessarily the strongest theme they've ever had, but it is good, and sounds planned. From 6:47 until 9:20 is a very strong melody, with good interplay between the instruments. At 9:20 the train 'chuff-chuff-chuff' part comes in, twirling off into a psychedelic miasma- is this the part that is supposed to be where the equipment went haywire? If so, it is a great accident! The gong at 11:56 introduces a new, somewhat familiar-sounding sequence that goes on until 15:50. This, my 5-year-old son says is his favorite. He says that when he hears this part, he thinks of a doorway opening up in the stars (it was a clear, starry night when we were listening to it together) to where his great-grandpa is looking down watching him. I swear I have not given this kid any drugs- he comes up with this stuff on his own! A bridge at 15:55-16:20 introduces the only weak part on this album at all, IMO. The bouncy japanese-poppy theme starts at 16:20 and repeats again at 17:15 and thankfully ends at 17:40, with just the closing bridge-like portion to finish off the song. so, I'd say that the only part where it sounds like ayhting might have been out of control is the miasma part I described before that starts at 9:20; otherwise, everything else sounds to me like it is pretty much in-control. It's hard for me to decide whether Tangram or FM is my favorite of this period. -joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@y...] ... > been listening to 'Force Majeure', and, yes, I do like > the album very much, but after the first four and a > half minutes of 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks' - well, I'm > sorry, but I have to stop the CD there. I know the > last nine minutes of the trach were put together in a > freak accident in the studio, but nine or so minutes? > It just strikes me as filling up tape space. From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 6:46 pm Subject: OT: oldfield skin for winamp thought some of you might like this Mike Oldfield Tubular Bells skin for Winamp. open winamp, then click here: http://ftp.winamp.com/components/S/oldfieldv2.wsz From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 7:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD / Miami Vice two of my co-workers have recently amazed me: 1) I was playing Vangelis' 'Voices', and one said it sounded like Chariots of Fire 2) I was playing TD's Love on a Real Train, and one guy said it sounded like that music from Risky Business when they were &*@#ing on the train. I guess it's not that amazing- they're both movie buffs. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Moore [mailto:moxica@m...] ... > For that reason, most people couldn't name who did the theme > to _Chariots > of Fire_ if you asked them, although they all know the song. > From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 8:48 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] RE: Phaedra review wanted - calm down, guys! peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: >Let's continue with such activities: > >I want to put up a classical music webpage. I have never listened to any >Beethoven and Johann Sebastian Bach records. - Anyone out there is willing to >drop me some lines saying why they probably are the most important >composers...?!? ;-) I dont know what you are suggesting with your comments, but to me it sounds like you are accusing me of publishing TD content on a website without knowing anything about TD. FYI, I have around 30 albums and have listened to TD for 10 years so it should be enough, I think. Also, I never said I have not heard Phaedra or any other albums I choose to write about. Also, you clearly lack understanding about what the job of an editor is. There is no problem about a newspaper editor requesting an article or review from someone, even if the editor doesnt know shit about the topic. In this case, the editor (me) actually know the topic but for various reasons I would like to delegate the work. If you are referring to my website, I would like to state that Emusic is not just another fan site, at least TDI didnt think so when they sent us CDs for review. I can name a number of companies and published artists that *ask* me to have their work reviewed at Emusic. >Do you *really* believe that is it really necessary for everyone to put up his >own electronic music or TD web page, even if he obviously has no detailed idea >of what he is talking about? It may not be necessary but everyone is of course entitled to publish any view they may have even if they found out about TD yesterday. How do you judge wether someone does not have any idea about what they are talking about. >And who in the end will be willing to >read all those thousands of amateur TD pages with wrong, half-wrong or >senseless contents when eventually everyone who is able to spell the word >'Dream' will have established his own www site? Anyone out there who believes >that this will help to bring forward our favourite thing? I think you got the wrong idea about how powerful word-of-mouth promotion can be, and the internet is just that. If everyone who can spell 'Dream' has their own website and talks about TD then eventually TD will get more promotion if only those with 'detailed knowledge' are allowed to make websites / fan pages. If you want to bring forward your favourite thing then you should welcome any and all webpages mentioning TD. Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Stuff www.folkvord.net/jarrestuff Emusic http://w3.to/_emusic From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 9:01 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] House of the Rising Sun / Streethawk I read that article back in 1989 a short time after it came out. I've been drooling at the possibility ever since. Anyone want to organize a letter-writing campaign to Universal to release the rights to TD? > -----Original Message----- > I wonder if TDI will mange to get control of this material anytime in the > near future. Otherwise, perhaps we should get on Universal's case... If > anyone is interested in the whole interview or the FLEXI single check out > EBAY, because I just put it up for auction. > > MJ > From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 9:05 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] House of the Rising Sun / Streethawk I liked what I heard back when the show was on (I didn't know anything of TD at the time) and I like what I've heard from the audio-clip tape that's gone around. If they could extrapolate on some of that, or get the tapes of longer pieces that they composed, even if Edgar felt the need to *add* something to them, at least it would be something. I think it would be worth having! James > -----Original Message----- > I was pretty excited when I read that interview back in 88, but given that > another 12 years have passed with no sign of Streekhawk music, I wouldn't > hold my breath for that material. And bear in mind what happened to the > music from The Keep when it finally saw the light of day. Can anyone > who's actually heard TD's music from the show vouch for its quality? > From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 10:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Is Force Majeure really a classic? Hi Dreamers I can see where Roger is coming from here, I also like 'FM' a lot & I like 'TMR' but IMO this track does go on about 5 mins too long. I wish it had been edited down & perhaps an extra track added. I also still think that 'Tangram' is a better & much more consistant album. Cheers for now Derek ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Hartopp To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 4:28 PM Subject: [tadream] Is Force Majeure really a classic? > > On my radio programme tonight (in Poland, folks) I'm > going to be playing 'Cloudburst Flight'. Today I've > been listening to 'Force Majeure', and, yes, I do like > the album very much, but after the first four and a > half minutes of 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks' - well, I'm > sorry, but I have to stop the CD there. I know the > last nine minutes of the trach were put together in a > freak accident in the studio, but nine or so minutes? > It just strikes me as filling up tape space. > On a separate note, thank you to those who have > contacted me on gmroger@y... who have music > they would like to me to play on my programme. I will > try to get back to you all soon. > Also, are there any particular rare tracks you'd like > to hear on the show? 'Astral Voyager' can be heard on > Friday nights, 11.00pm European Time, on > www.rak.krakow.pl or - if you're lucky enough to live > in Krakow, Poland - 100.5FM... Hey, send me some > requests and I'll mention you on the show! > To finish, 'Tyger' - vocals and all - is my favourite > album. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > Remember the good 'ol days > http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/5/_/24785/_/958145314/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 11:01 pm Subject: OT - Coming to America Hello Americans I'm coming over to Orlando, Florida with my family for our summer holiday, flying out on 23/7. Are any of you within driving distance of there? If so let me know as we could meet up for a 'few' drinks & a chat. Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Fri May 12, 2000 11:38 pm Subject: RE: Phaedra review wanted - calm down, guys! Message: 3 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:27:46 +0200 From: peter.stoeferle@t... Subject: RE: Phaedra review wanted - calm down, guys! What are you afraid of happening? The web page I want is the one that has all the bootlegs and fan tapes to download. This web page will help me hear all that I'm missing. Of course this will hurt those who want to sell copies for a profit. True fans would enjoy sharing this resource. Twenty bucks for a CDR of a bootleg. fsck the fan profiteers. Its bad enough getting ripped by greedy labels, but at least the artist made a decision to be in the relationship. I love the music of Tangerine Dream and I am looking forward to having more personal religious experiences listening to the fan tapes and bootlegs. Hey Peter just wanted you to know I don't have any grudges against you, I just have some issues I feel strongly about. I've used your TD information alot to see how much more TD music is available to hear. Later DreamPeople [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22426 Re: Phaedra review wanted - calm down, guys! Joe Shoults Sat 5/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Sat May 13, 2000 12:43 am Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Phaedra review wanted - calm down, guys! I can certainly understand what Peter is saying in so far as to strive for accuracy on the net. But I think that many who create these pages, as in my case, do so as a hobby. It started as a sort of practice test bed for trying web tricks, but I never really have the time to spend updating it, or for that matter, giving it the redesign it needs, or doing what I would really like to do on it. But as long as I'm reasonably sure the info is correct, I'll post it. Or if it's the kind of information I had looked for in the past, or would help others. Like Heiko, I couldn't even begin to list all the benefactors of the TD education I've received on the web. I especially appreciate their efforts when it is done not only accurately, but artistically. > -----Original Message----- From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat May 13, 2000 6:05 am Subject: re: is [Force Majeure] really a classic? Hello Joe, hello dreamers, just doing some weekend reading, picking subjects that interest me. --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Joe Shoults' wrote: >At 9:20 the train 'chuff-chuff-chuff' part comes in, twirling > off into a psychedelic miasma- is this the part that is supposed >to be where the equipment went haywire? If so, it is a great >accident! The accident, as mentioned before, caused the TMR sequence after the intro to go in an endless loop, so they just played along the sequence. They decided to leave the track as it was, and not redo it. > The gong at 11:56 introduces a new, somewhat familiar-sounding >sequence that goes on until 15:50. It's familiar-sounding because it brings back the main theme which is presented between 6:45 and 9:20, after which the 'psychedelic miasma' is played. That section is my favourite in the track. Force Majeure is one of my favourite albums, but my collection is still around 50 different albums. ---------- Sam: - My mind is a swirling miasma of scintillating thoughts and turgid ideas. Max: - Me too. ---------- (Talk between Sam and Max, from the Sam and Max Hit the Road game) Gustavo F. Jobim - gustavfj@m... http://gfjm.cjb.net From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat May 13, 2000 7:30 am Subject: re.Force Majeure This was the first TD album I ever heard if there were any accidents in the first track they are not noticable to me.The only possible accident on this album is they forgot to turn off the final sequence of Thru metamorphic rocks. cheers Gary. From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat May 13, 2000 7:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Is Force Majeure really a classic? Tangram is pretty consistent, but Pergamon is even more cosistent! ----- Original Message ----- From: DEREK LAING To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Is Force Majeure really a classic? Hi Dreamers I can see where Roger is coming from here, I also like 'FM' a lot & I like 'TMR' but IMO this track does go on about 5 mins too long. I wish it had been edited down & perhaps an extra track added. I also still think that 'Tangram' is a better & much more consistant album. Cheers for now Derek ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Hartopp To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 4:28 PM Subject: [tadream] Is Force Majeure really a classic? > > On my radio programme tonight (in Poland, folks) I'm > going to be playing 'Cloudburst Flight'. Today I've > been listening to 'Force Majeure', and, yes, I do like > the album very much, but after the first four and a > half minutes of 'Thru Metamorphic Rocks' - well, I'm > sorry, but I have to stop the CD there. I know the > last nine minutes of the trach were put together in a > freak accident in the studio, but nine or so minutes? > It just strikes me as filling up tape space. > On a separate note, thank you to those who have > contacted me on gmroger@y... who have music > they would like to me to play on my programme. I will > try to get back to you all soon. > Also, are there any particular rare tracks you'd like > to hear on the show? 'Astral Voyager' can be heard on > Friday nights, 11.00pm European Time, on > www.rak.krakow.pl or - if you're lucky enough to live > in Krakow, Poland - 100.5FM... Hey, send me some > requests and I'll mention you on the show! > To finish, 'Tyger' - vocals and all - is my favourite > album. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > Remember the good 'ol days > http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/5/_/24785/_/958145314/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get paid for the stuff you know! Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site! http://click.egroups.com/1/2200/5/_/24785/_/958170471/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22430 Re: Is Force Majeure really a classic? Marcel Engels Sat 5/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sat May 13, 2000 8:55 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Is Force Majeure really a classic? Yes, it's a classic. An area they should have explored more imo. Tangram is even more a classic. All releases from 74 till 86 are classics for me :-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/~mengels Email :mengels@w... From: Chris Richards Date: Sat May 13, 2000 9:05 am Subject: Groove Unlimited Well, I saw some comments about Groove Unlimited, and went to the website, where I've basically spent most of the last hour looking at stuff, listening to the Real Audio samples, etc. One thing I noticed is that they have the Schulze Ultimate Edition set for more than a hundred dollars less than the only other distributor that I know of, and that's Eurock. Well, there are others, but Eurock and Groove Unlimited seem to be the only two that accept US currency, and the convenience of not having to convert over to DM or Pounds Sterling or what have ya is a major concern here (I'm not even sure I know where I COULD get currency changed around here). Anyhow, I'm wondering if any of the US subscribers to this list have ever dealt with Groove Unlimited. Since they are in Holland, I'm wondering what the turn over time is like, reliablity, etc. I know a few people have already praised them in the most recent digest, so I presume they are very reliable, but I'm wondering what I should expect ordering from Cleveland, Ohio, USA! Oh, and one other thing: what kind of money orders do they take? If I send them a regular post office Money Order, will they accept it? I know it says 'Negotiable in US and possesions only' or some such on each one, but I successfully sent one to the UK to pay for some Uriah Heep merchandise I won on E-bay, so I'm wondering if I can't just do that here, or will I have to make special accomodations for this? ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22433 Re: Groove Unlimited Robert Grabowsky Sat 5/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Herod, Galen (NBC)' Date: Sat May 13, 2000 9:25 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Groove Unlimited Hey Scuba boy! Groove Unltd. is great. Very quick. Shipping is more but they have stuff readily available noone else does. I use a VISA debit to pay. I don't know about the money order situation. Galen > ---------- > From: Chris Richards > Reply To: tadream@egroups.com > Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 2:05 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Groove Unlimited > > Well, I saw some comments about Groove Unlimited, > and went to the website, where I've basically > spent most of the last hour looking at stuff, > listening to the Real Audio samples, etc. One > thing I noticed is that they have the Schulze > Ultimate Edition set for more than a hundred > dollars less than the only other distributor that > I know of, and that's Eurock. Well, there are > others, but Eurock and Groove Unlimited seem to > be the only two that accept US currency, and the > convenience of not having to convert over to DM > or Pounds Sterling or what have ya is a major > concern here (I'm not even sure I know where I > COULD get currency changed around here). > > Anyhow, I'm wondering if any of the US > subscribers to this list have ever dealt with > Groove Unlimited. Since they are in Holland, I'm > wondering what the turn over time is like, > reliablity, etc. I know a few people have already > praised them in the most recent digest, so I > presume they are very reliable, but I'm wondering > what I should expect ordering from Cleveland, > Ohio, USA! > > Oh, and one other thing: what kind of money > orders do they take? If I send them a regular > post office Money Order, will they accept it? I > know it says 'Negotiable in US and possesions > only' or some such on each one, but I > successfully sent one to the UK to pay for some > Uriah Heep merchandise I won on E-bay, so I'm > wondering if I can't just do that here, or will I > have to make special accomodations for this? > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Make music with anyone, anywhere, through FREE Internet > recording studio software. FREE software download! > http://click.egroups.com/1/3729/5/_/24785/_/958208728/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sat May 13, 2000 10:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Groove Unlimited Chris, I have ordered from Groove and have had no problem. I live in Florida. I also believe I used my credit card when I ordered. Buy with Confidence, THE HIGHLANDER >Anyhow, I'm wondering if any of the US >subscribers to this list have ever dealt with >Groove Unlimited. Since they are in Holland, I'm >wondering what the turn over time is like, >reliablity, etc. I know a few people have already >praised them in the most recent digest, so I >presume they are very reliable, but I'm wondering >what I should expect ordering from Cleveland, >Ohio, USA! From: Kees Date: Sat May 13, 2000 1:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze multi CD sets At 15:50 12-5-00 +0200, you wrote: >Craig Chambers wrote: > > > I'll 3rd it! Not only are Groove's prices better, Kees is a nice guy, and > > the US dollar is pretty strong against the Euro, so consider Groove in the > > future too. And, no offense to Archie, Kees has a much more comprehensive > > catalog. > >...plus you also get bonus points for each item you are buying. I bought quite >a lot at Groove over the last 1-2 years and already got 3 cd's (of my choice!) >for free. > >Heiko Thank you, thank you. :-) I agree that I'm a nice guy (who?) but the bonus points are history. That was to much hassle. We do give an additional 5% for ordering 10-19 products and 10% for ordering 20+ products. To avoid your next question: The Ultimate Edition counts as 1 product. :-) Take care all. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Sat May 13, 2000 4:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Groove Unlimited Chris - I bet they would take the international postal money order (the pink one). But I suppose you'd better ask them first. Personally, I've placed just one order with them, and I have nothing to complain about. They had FSP's Pointless Reminder for a few bucks cheaper than Eurock, and also had his other discs, which I ordered. I also ordered Hoenig and Goetttsching's Early Water, but they didn't have it at the time and let me know about that. That was about 2 weeks ago (which was how long they expected to get Early Water in). And just the other day, I got an email that they had everything and were shipping it out, so there was no wondering! I paid by credit card. So as far as I can tell, Groove is a great place to get emusic, except for the physical distance from the US. But as long as the postal service does their job, then it's no big deal, just a little patience is needed. Dave B., back to lurking, and looking forward to meeting Klaus B.! -----Original Message----- From: Chris Richards To: tadream@egroups.com Date: Saturday, May 13, 2000 2:05 AM Subject: [tadream] Groove Unlimited Well, I saw some comments about Groove Unlimited, and went to the website, where I've basically spent most of the last hour looking at stuff, listening to the Real Audio samples, etc. One thing I noticed is that they have the Schulze Ultimate Edition set for more than a hundred dollars less than the only other distributor that I know of, and that's Eurock. Well, there are others, but Eurock and Groove Unlimited seem to be the only two that accept US currency, and the convenience of not having to convert over to DM or Pounds Sterling or what have ya is a major concern here (I'm not even sure I know where I COULD get currency changed around here). Anyhow, I'm wondering if any of the US subscribers to this list have ever dealt with Groove Unlimited. Since they are in Holland, I'm wondering what the turn over time is like, reliablity, etc. I know a few people have already praised them in the most recent digest, so I presume they are very reliable, but I'm wondering what I should expect ordering from Cleveland, Ohio, USA! Oh, and one other thing: what kind of money orders do they take? If I send them a regular post office Money Order, will they accept it? I know it says 'Negotiable in US and possesions only' or some such on each one, but I successfully sent one to the UK to pay for some Uriah Heep merchandise I won on E-bay, so I'm wondering if I can't just do that here, or will I have to make special accomodations for this? ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Sat May 13, 2000 5:10 pm Subject: Beach Theme/Scene Hello Dreamers The last track on Disc 4 of the Tangents box set is listed as 'Beach Theme'. Is this a remix of that particular track or is it a remix of 'Beach Scene'? I don't own 'Thief' but by the track length I suspect it could be 'Beach Scene', can anyone help? Cheers Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22489 Re: Beach Theme/Scene DEREK LAING Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB 22492 Re: Beach Theme/Scene Michael A Jean Tue 5/16/2000 3 KB From: 'Owens, James E' Date: Sat May 13, 2000 5:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Is Force Majeure really a classic? THru Metamorphic Rock is playing right now. The Beauty of this track to me is listening to how the effects in the background evolve around the same basic sequence. Only TD could take such a repetitive sequence and make something listenable out of it. I think it has great potential as Halloween music too! May I remind you that the MAINSTAY of earlier TD albums was the repetitive sequence where the chord structure and effects evolve continuously. This is truly incredible music to me! Listen to Madrigal Meridian on Cyclone, Pergammon part 2, or the title track from Stratosfear for similar repetition without repetition! To me this is the ESSENCE of classic TD! James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22471 TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Real So Steven Feldman Mon 5/15/2000 3 KB 22475 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Sean Montgomery Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB 22478 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Jared White Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB 22482 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Gabe Yedid Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB 22483 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Sean Montgomery Mon 5/15/2000 3 KB 22486 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Jared White Mon 5/15/2000 3 KB 22476 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Jared White Mon 5/15/2000 3 KB 22479 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Sean Montgomery Mon 5/15/2000 4 KB 22481 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Jared White Mon 5/15/2000 5 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat May 13, 2000 6:05 pm Subject: [tadream] Homepage update Hi all, Three more new full-size images have been added to my film discography, thanks again to Steven Feldman for these: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/neardark.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/heartbreakers.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/webpages/legend.html Paul From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sat May 13, 2000 7:16 pm Subject: Klem Jubileumcassette now available as a Double-CD! Hi to you all! I did an update of my TD fan site. I got a original copy of the famous KLEM-Jubileumcassette with TD, Schulze, Ashra and many others. It's great. And I made a (nice (IMO)) double CD set from the cassette. See my NEW section and have fun! Rainer NP: The KLEM Jubileumcassette CDrs --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: aoutland@a... Date: Sat May 13, 2000 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Live [Livemiles] In a message dated 04/23/2000 11:52:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, koronzon@m... writes: << First of all I would like to dedicate this post to Dell Outland :) Most of you know why.. >> Yeah, ok, I'm a bit behind here, but after reading that hilarious adventure posted by Colin, I didn't think I could really follow that act. Still, a few words should be posted by me after all since this is my favorite of all Tangerine Dream releases. I once wrote a letter to their web site stating that if my house were burning and I had time to save only one album, Live Miles would be the one. That statement holds true today with one minor addition, I think I would also grab Tangram. After all, I do have two hands don't I? I discovered Live Miles in pieces. I bought The Best of... album and first heard part 2 Albuquerque and was entranced with it. Then I got the first part on Book of Dreams. Fortunately, about this time TD began to re-release a lot of their back catalogue so that I finally managed to get the whole album and have been totally enthralled ever since. There is no explaining why this particular album rather than any other (except Tangram perhaps) has become a favorite. Who knows what life experiences lead us up the the point of the decisions we make? I just like the melodies and the different sounds and the links between sections that are as good as the sections themselves. The whole gives me good visions too. 8-) Dell From: 'Eric Rochon' Date: Sat May 13, 2000 10:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Groove Unlimited > I have ordered from Groove and have had no problem. I live in Florida. I >also believe I used my credit card when I ordered. > Buy with Confidence, I support this totally. I have done it many times from Canada and I am using a Canadian Money Order. Work just fine. Éric From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sun May 14, 2000 12:30 am Subject: TD/Jarre sounds/patches??? Hello all I am looking for some TD/Jarre sounds/pathes for the following synths. Korg Z1 Kurzweil 2000 v2 Yamaha An1x Access Virus b Does anyone on this list have any, or do anyone know where I can find some????? pergamon@g... http://hjem.get2net.dk/pergamon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22443 Re: TD/Jarre sounds/patches??? Synthhtnys@a... Sun 5/14/2000 1 KB 22448 Re: TD/Jarre sounds/patches??? Airwave Sun 5/14/2000 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun May 14, 2000 12:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD/Jarre sounds/patches??? << Hello all I am looking for some TD/Jarre sounds/pathes for the following synths.>> * I think your time would be better spent learning to make patches yourself.... Poly From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sun May 14, 2000 3:31 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] TD/Jarre sounds/patches??? Whooaaa sorry for asking!!!!! it's not that I don't know how to make new sounds. I was just trying to save myself some work creating a hole new bank of sounds from scratch and mayby getting/trading some great sounds from others. I have a small bank of Jarre-sounds for the Yamaha cs1x, that I downloaded from the net, if any should be interested. I have not gotten around to alter these sounds myself, as I just recently have begun thinking in TD/Jarre-musicmaking. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 2:55 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] TD/Jarre sounds/patches??? > << Hello all > > I am looking for some TD/Jarre sounds/pathes for the following synths.>> > > * I think your time would be better spent learning to make patches > yourself.... > > Poly > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Make music with anyone, anywhere, through FREE Internet > recording studio software. FREE software download! > http://click.egroups.com/1/3729/5/_/24785/_/958265733/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun May 14, 2000 4:49 am Subject: Which one to buy? (KEYBOARDS) This question is for all you musicians on the list. Of the following keyboards, which is the best one for ease of use and functions such as having it store a track for playback and then adding to it and being able to put all of them together for you final piece of music? Also the amount of sounds that are preinstalled and any other features that an aspiring musician would want. Yamaha EX7 workstation $1449.00 US Korg Trinity workstation $1599.00 US Roland XP 60 workstation $1399.00 US If you could also tell me the pros and cons of each of them I would greatly appreciate the information. I am planning on getting a keyboard soon and these right now are the ones I had in mind. I have played and electric organ in the past so I am not totally clueless as to what I am getting into, just a little rusty. THANKS, THE HIGHLANDER Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22451 Re: Which one to buy? (KEYBOARDS) Brian Frick Sun 5/14/2000 2 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Sun May 14, 2000 9:38 am Subject: Re: Groove Unlimited Well, it sounds like Groove has 'good word of mouth' as they, amongst everyone. If nothing else, when I get around to ordering the KS Ultimate Edition, I'll probably go to them, just because they've got the best price around (like I said, Eurock was a good 150 bucks or so more for it). I may be getting a credit card soon. Depending on how that works out, the matter of the money order may turn out to be a moot point. Either way, I appreciate the comments from the other people around here. BTW, I went to the local CD Warehouse today, and I special ordered both Irrlicht and Time Wind. The clerk said the order will go out on Monday, and if they have it at the warehouse, it could be in as early as Tuesday. So, you can all tell me how I've made a mistake by getting the crappy domestic US pressings instead of the superior European remasters! :-) Always seems to work that way (at least I don't have to hunt for the Black Sabbath remasters)!!! :-) NP: P-Funk 'A Nickelbag Of Solos' (Live 'The Funkadelic Collection' Greatest Hits 1972-1993) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: Chris Richards Date: Sun May 14, 2000 10:15 am Subject: A response to an old post I've been clearing out my e-mail box, and I've found I've got a few digests that I've never read, and I just had to respond to at least one post: <> That reminds me of a story about my mom. I used to watch The Young Ones back in the 80's, when MTV used to show it, and there's an episode where Neil becomes a cop, and busts a hippie party. The guy who comes to the door says he was just laying down for a nap and didn't hear him knocking on the door. After about a minute, he recognises Neil, assumes he's just kidding around with him, and leans into the door and yells 'DON'T FLUSH THE TOILET!! It's cool, it's only Neil!'. Well, my mom, who is the last person you'd expect to be familiar with hippie/drug humor recognised it almost immediately as being a 'rip off of an old Cheech And Chong bit'. Well, not quite, the Cheech And Chong involved Cheech's character freaking out when he hears a cop banging on the door and demanding that he 'open up', so he runs around and gathers up all his drugs, flushes them down the toilet, only to find the person at the door is Chong, pulling a prank on him! But the thing is, it's absolutley improbable that she would know enough of ANY C&C routine to spot a similiarities to something she would see on TV over a decade later. Turns out my oldest brother had a C&C 8-track, and that's how she heard some of their material. Figures the Uriah Heep/Kiss fan (the one who tried growing pot in his bedroom unsuccesfully), the guy who turned me into a music geek as a toddler, would be behind this!!!! :-) NP: P-Funk dunno which track it is, but there's some wailing guitar playing on here (that same P-Funk set I was listening to a half hour ago or whenever it was I sent the post about Groove Unlimited) :-) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'Heaven can always turn around'-Eiffel 65 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: Airwave Date: Sun May 14, 2000 12:25 pm Subject: RE: TD/Jarre sounds/patches??? Pergamon wrote : > I am looking for some TD/Jarre sounds/pathes for the following synths. Woaa dangerous question to ask. And I can see you already got the typical standard reply from some other wise guy ;-))) > Does anyone on this list have any, or do anyone know where I can find > some????? Well I usually use the following URL for searching for new patches for my own synths. I don't see anything wrong in downloading a patch which sounds more or less like the sound you are looking for, and then perhabs alter it slightly to fit the need. Try www.synthzone.com You'll find links to just about anything concerning synthesizers there. > Korg Z1 > Kurzweil 2000 v2 > Yamaha An1x > Access Virus b And to avoid your next question. No I don't have patches for any of those synths. Nice lot though :-) AirWave. From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sun May 14, 2000 12:03 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Which one to buy? (KEYBOARDS) Hello Robert I have a friend who's got the Roland XP 30, and IMO that synth is mainly for making dance music. It has a huge soundlibrary, is multi timbral, but the downside is that I don't feel the filters are powerful enough for realy tweaking the sounds. The Trinity workstation can be expanded with several boards making this a very big workstation. A have heard people say that it has a slow display-update, making this a not so good live-performance-machine. otherwise this should be a killersynth. again your choice of synth sometimes depends on what music you will be making. hopes this helps a bit Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22453 Sv: [tadream] Which one to buy? (KEYBOARDS) Pergamon Sun 5/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Sun May 14, 2000 12:06 pm Subject: Change of E address etc Joe i cannot post messages to the list under my new e mail addy, i'm probably seen as a spammer, can you please rectify this ! Cheers Nick Please be advised, my new e mail Address is Nick.Adams@e... Please update your address book accordingly. The old e Mail Address of Nicad@c... will remain active for only a short while longer. Apologies if you get this letter more than once. Regards Nick From: Brian Frick Date: Sun May 14, 2000 1:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Which one to buy? (KEYBOARDS) on 5/13/00 11:49 PM, Robert Grabowsky at hghlndr@t... wrote: > > Yamaha EX7 workstation $1449.00 US I can't comment on this one, since I've never played with it. > Korg Trinity workstation $1599.00 US Good for pads, some analog modeling. Can produce biting moog sounds pretty well. > Roland XP 60 workstation $1399.00 US Good for pads. Not much else. If you want to drop money like this, I recommend the following: The new Korg MS2000. PHENOMENAL MACHINE. It is a virtual analog machine with arpeggiators, sequencers, vocoder, analog sounds, all that -- built right in. It's $1099. And you can expand it with an infinite number of similar rack mount modules, too: they're the same, but without the keyboard. They're $799 each. So for about the same price, you can get some killer killer killer sounds :-) I hope this helps a little... - Brian From: jowers Date: Sun May 14, 2000 4:49 pm Subject: Artwork needed Could someone please help me!! I desperately need the scans of the inserts from 'Electronic Orgy' that has the tracklistings. I also need the front and back artwork for 'Sonambulistic Imagery'. I'm in the middle of a trade and have found out that I must have accidentally deleted them from my computer. I appreciate it very much!! Kevin kvjowers@i... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22460 Re: Artwork needed jowers Sun 5/14/2000 2 KB 38061 Artwork needed strat95@b... strat9500 Mon 1/6/2003 2 KB 38070 Re: Artwork needed jarek@w... jerryplpl Mon 1/6/2003 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sun May 14, 2000 6:47 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Which one to buy? (KEYBOARDS) But with only 4 notes of polyphony you can't make a big piece of music. Then you have to have other synths, and you are back to spending a lot of money. If you are looking for making a hole piece from one synth, you have to go for the workstations. Trinity, triton whatever. The problem is that the sounds is from the same synth. Jan > If you want to drop money like this, I recommend the following: The new > Korg MS2000. PHENOMENAL MACHINE. It is a virtual analog machine with > arpeggiators, sequencers, vocoder, analog sounds, all that -- built right > in. It's $1099. And you can expand it with an infinite number of similar > rack mount modules, too: they're the same, but without the keyboard. > They're $799 each. So for about the same price, you can get some killer > killer killer sounds :-) From: quarlie@a... Date: Sun May 14, 2000 7:14 pm Subject: TDI site update Sorry if anybody's mentioned this already, but I just noticed that the TDI site (www.tdi-music-mall.de) has been updated with a track list and a few sound clips of Antique Dreams. One of the tracks is a rendition of 'Phaedra,' and the other reminds me a bit of 'Kiev Mission.' I'm not sure if there's been remixing or not. Any comments? --Daniel NP: Moby--Play Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22564 Re: TDI site update Feldon Feldon Sat 5/20/2000 2 KB 22568 Re: TDI site update Jared White Sat 5/20/2000 2 KB 22573 Re: TDI site update Szatmari, Pal Sun 5/21/2000 2 KB 22574 Re: TDI site update Synthhtnys@a... Sun 5/21/2000 2 KB 22625 Re: TDI site update Jared White Wed 5/24/2000 3 KB 24298 TDI site update Johan Edberg Wed 10/11/2000 2 KB 24299 Re: TDI site update Antonio Nunes Wed 10/11/2000 2 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Sun May 14, 2000 7:16 pm Subject: Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! Greetings all- The TDI page has posted the tracklist and 2 soundclips from the forthcoming _Antique Dreams_ CD! The tracklist is as follows: 01. Oedipus Tyrannus Overture 02. Ultima Thule Part 1 03. Calymba Caly 04. Flock of Bluebirds 05. Speed Dragon 06. Edinburgh Castle [Soundclip] 07. Moorland 08. Sorcerer and Thief (Mill Valley) 09. Southend Mall 10. Cool breeze of Brighton 11. Phaedra of Nottingham [Soundclip] 12. House of the rising sun The first soundclip is more commonly known as 'Sobornost'. This is taken from the Winter '81 tour and has additional voicings. The second is more commonly known as 'Phaedra '88' and has been released before (or at least the Dallas version, which I'm sure is identical) on the _Tangents_ box set. One of the info bullets states that 'All material available on an official CD for the first time ever', so I guess that means that this particular version is from a different performance.;) And I'm taking bets right now that 'Flock of Bluebirds' and 'Speed Dragon' are actually 'Flock' and 'Speed' from the 'Das Machden Auf Der Treppe' 12'. No bets on to whether or not they've been enhanced!;) goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22457 Re: Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! Rainer Rutka Sun 5/14/2000 3 KB 22477 Re: Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! Sean Montgomery Mon 5/15/2000 3 KB 22458 Re: Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! Feldon Feldon Sun 5/14/2000 3 KB 22461 Re: Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! Gabe Yedid Mon 5/15/2000 3 KB 22462 Re: Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! Heiko Heerssen Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB 22463 Re: Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! Greg Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB 22474 Re: Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! Gabe Yedid Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB 22464 Re: Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! Heiko Heerssen Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB From: David Hughes Date: Sun May 14, 2000 7:37 pm Subject: Which synth? Hello, Robert Grabowsky asked > This question is for all you musicians on the list. > > Of the following keyboards, which is the best one for ease of use and > functions such as having it store a track for playback and then adding to > it and being able to put all of them together for you final piece of music? > Also the amount of sounds that are preinstalled and any other features that > an aspiring musician would want. > > Yamaha EX7 workstation $1449.00 US > > Korg Trinity workstation $1599.00 US > > Roland XP 60 workstation $1399.00 US > > If you could also tell me the pros and cons of each of them I would > greatly appreciate the information. I use the Yamaha EX5 and, whilst the factory sounds are superb and the real time control the mutt's nuts, editting this machine is a chore. I have heard of problems with the SCSI implementartion too (it's too slow) so it's of limited appeal as a sample playback engine. Go for a Kurzweil K2000. Getting a bit long in the tooth at the moment but this machine will REALLY stretch your mind with sound generations. And, eight years after it's release, Kurzweil are still supporting this machine. I doubt any of the above manufacturers will support the listed machines after eight months. > I am planning on getting a keyboard soon and these right now are the > ones I had in mind. I have played and electric organ in the past so I am > not totally clueless as to what I am getting into, just a little rusty. Groove on. Regards David -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun May 14, 2000 9:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! On Sun, 14 May 2000, Hermes Guzman wrote: > Greetings all- HI! Strange - the selection for AD! IMO, it'll should have been a double CD - one CD is not enough. > The TDI page has posted the tracklist and 2 soundclips from the > forthcoming _Antique Dreams_ CD! The tracklist is as follows: > 02. Ultima Thule Part 1 ... and where's Part 2 ? > 04. Flock of Bluebirds Flock? > 05. Speed Dragon Speed? And what's about the 'Katja' - Track? > 07. Moorland > 11. Phaedra of Nottingham [Soundclip] Have you heard the soundclip. Please! Why not the whole concert? Can you imagine what's in Edgars' vaults? IMO, this CD is not(!) replaycing 'Orgy' ;-). But I can't wait until it's release. Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- TD-page: www.rutka.de/td (last update 13.5.00) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22477 Re: Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! Sean Montgomery Mon 5/15/2000 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun May 14, 2000 8:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! And before anyone gets too excited, this material is Tangentized. You can hear it on Sobornost (Edinburgh Castle). So don't throw away your original stuff, especially Ultima Thule. Also, it's a travesty to only include the first half. -Morgan >From: 'Hermes Guzman' > >The TDI page has posted the tracklist and 2 soundclips from the >forthcoming _Antique Dreams_ CD! The tracklist is as follows: > >01. Oedipus Tyrannus Overture > >02. Ultima Thule Part 1 > >03. Calymba Caly > >04. Flock of Bluebirds > >05. Speed Dragon > >06. Edinburgh Castle [Soundclip] > >07. Moorland > >08. Sorcerer and Thief (Mill Valley) > >09. Southend Mall > >10. Cool breeze of Brighton > >11. Phaedra of Nottingham [Soundclip] > >12. House of the rising sun > >The first soundclip is more commonly known as 'Sobornost'. This is >taken from the Winter '81 tour and has additional voicings. Ah, you too noticed the Tangentization. I guess the old material is too terrible/awful to let it stand on it's own two feet. >No bets on to whether or not >they've been enhanced!;) -a quite incensed and fuming Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: RE to all REs: calm down, guys... Hi TaDreamers, please allow me to answer to the reactions I received via the digest version of the Tadream Mailing List until Sunday evening to my previous lines that seem to have provoked some of you...: > > Do you *really* believe that is it really necessary for everyone to > > put up his own electronic music or TD web page, even if he obviously > > has no detailed idea of what he is talking about? > > ... > > And who in the end will be willing to read all those thousands of > > amateur TD pages with wrong, half-wrong or senseless contents when > > eventually everyone who is able to spell the word 'Dream' will have > > established his own www site? Anyone out there who believes that this > > will help to bring forward our favourite thing? > > > > Calm down guys... o.k, it was not my idea to hurt anyone out there, nor was it my idea to prevent anyone from running his home pages, but... > From: Heiko Heerssen > ... > I know quite a lot TD fan pages and some I like very much (Duncan McKee, > Peter Ravn, Klaus Beschorner, to name but a few)... they may be amateur > homepages but they are far from being wrong, half-wrong or containing > senseless contents. Right. I do exactly not have these (and some other peoples') home pages in mind when talking about deterrend examples, and I have never meant that all home pages are in such a shape. But unfortunately, not all home pages reach such standards as those you mentioned, and this is exactly the problem I wanted to talk about. > but I think everyone has the right to build up his own page on the > www, regardless how much or less talent he/she has. And exactly this is the second part of the problem - even if perhaps you and some others will put up excellent home pages in the future... > From: 'Glenn Folkvord' > ... > I dont know what you are suggesting with your comments, but to me it > sounds like you are accusing me of publishing TD content on a website > without knowing anything about TD. FYI, I have around 30 albums and have > listened to TD for 10 years so it should be enough, I think. > ... > If you are referring to my website, I would like to state that Emusic is > not just another fan site, at least TDI didnt think so when they sent us > CDs for review. I can name a number of companies and published artists > that *ask* me to have their work reviewed at Emusic. I cannot decide whether you are an 'expert', an 'amateur' or anything 'less' regarding TD, and this is not important, as I did not want to 'accuse' you of anything. I am not the accuser or district attorney watching the TD fan community. The thing I intended is that some fans start thinking about this hype: Everyone feels he has to establish his own home page, and no one asks whether this makes sense or not. Your mail was just the one that aroused my reaction, so it was not an attack against you personally. You are probably the wrong addressee. Sorry. > Also, I never said I have not heard Phaedra or any other albums I choose > to write about. ...but you must admit that your original question intended such a supposition: > > I also need the following: > > > > Music rating: How many points out of 10 do you give it > > Sound quality rating: How many points out of 10 do you give it > > Cover artwork rating: How many points out of 10 do you give it > > Playing time: > > Label: > > Release year: > Also, you clearly lack understanding about what the job of an editor is. > There is no problem about a newspaper editor requesting an article or > review from someone, even if the editor doesnt know shit about the topic. you don't have to tell me... ;-) > If you want to bring forward your favourite thing then you should welcome > any and all webpages mentioning TD. Hope the number of webpages never becomes so great that the fans forget listening to the music because of spending their whole time with observing internet publications... > From: 'Whiteley, Steve' > ... > What are you afraid of happening? See above. 'Afraid' may be the wrong word. The best thing to protect oneself against some things is to ignore them. I may do so one day if I feel 'overnewsed and underinformed' by all those home pages, but actually, my idea was to start some debate about the *quality* of private webpage publications. > The web page I want is the one that has all the bootlegs > and fan tapes to download. This web page will help me hear > all that I'm missing. Of course this will hurt those who > want to sell copies for a profit. True fans would enjoy > sharing this resource. Twenty bucks for a CDR of a bootleg. > fsck the fan profiteers. A really good intention, unfortunately reminding me of Robin Hood. Those who want to help fans and to reduce the profit of some rippers will get legal problems themselves by doing so, at least in Germany and most European countries. > From: 'Joe Shoults' > ... > I can certainly understand what Peter is saying in so far as to strive > for accuracy on the net. But I think that many who create these pages, > as in my case, do so as a hobby. No question, and we all know that also hobbies can be done in a more or less 'professional' way or at least with the idea of meeting certain quality standards. All of us on this mailing list - including me with my printed activities in the past - are occupied with and engaged in TD as a 'hobby' and not as professionals. And we should meet every effort to improve our work. Therefore, let's try to make good output, not mass output. Calmed down, really, Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22465 Re: RE to all REs: calm down, guys... Rainer Rutka Mon 5/15/2000 3 KB From: jowers Date: Sun May 14, 2000 11:23 pm Subject: Re: Artwork needed >I desperately need the scans of the inserts from 'Electronic Orgy' that has >the tracklistings. > >I also need the front and back artwork for 'Sonambulistic Imagery'. I have received both sets of artwork. Thanks very much, Kevin From: Gabe Yedid Date: Mon May 15, 2000 2:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! On Sun, 14 May 2000, Hermes Guzman wrote: > The first soundclip is more commonly known as 'Sobornost'. This is > taken from the Winter '81 tour and has additional voicings. I can hear them, bu they don't seem too intrusive... (Personally, I hope we keep referring to this piece as 'Sobornost', it just soundsl like a cooler title ;) ) The > second is more commonly known as 'Phaedra '88' and has been released > before (or at least the Dallas version, which I'm sure is identical) > on the _Tangents_ box set. As far as I can tell, this 'Phaedra of Nottingham' is NOT the same as the version on _Tangents_. It has a different intro, for starters, and the sound which forms the famous sequencer line seems to be different--not that you can really tell these things over RealAudio. One of the info bullets states that 'All > material available on an official CD for the first time ever', so I > guess that means that this particular version is from a different > performance.;) And I'm taking bets right now that 'Flock of > Bluebirds' and 'Speed Dragon' are actually 'Flock' and 'Speed' from > the 'Das Machden Auf Der Treppe' 12'. No bets on to whether or not > they've been enhanced!;) A bigger issue is if any of the pieces are marred by 'tape flaws'--this could be a problem on the early '70s cuts. :-) :-( :-S cheers, Gabe From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon May 15, 2000 7:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! Rainer Rutka wrote: > > 11. Phaedra of Nottingham [Soundclip] > Have you heard the soundclip. Please! Why not the whole concert? > Can you imagine what's in Edgars' vaults? I won't even dare to imagine what is collecting dust in Edgar's vaults....I guess even the whole 'Ultimate edition' by Klaus Schulze would look very small when compared to his collection of live recordings or studio leftover tracks. All this (probably) great analogue music from the 70's will remain unheard.....it sounds pathetic but to me this is a real tragedy (where's my handkerchief? ;-) > IMO, this CD is not(!) replaycing 'Orgy' ;-). if Edgar would put out a 4 cd set of original & hard-to-find tracks it surely wouldn't sound like Electronic Orgy...I'm unable to listen to the soundclips on the TD www site but most of the tracks (like the original 'Sobornost') seem to have been (oh no, not this word again!!! ;-) 'tangentized'...didn't we have this before a couple of weeks ago? > But I can't wait until it's release. Another TD maniac ;-) Heiko From: 'Greg' Date: Mon May 15, 2000 7:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! > 01. Oedipus Tyrannus Overture > This sounds great from the clip. There's an incredible amount of sequencing going on, and if I am right, some of the tangentizing sounds a bit like the noisy effects on Mars Polaris like those bits on Astrophobia. I could be very wrong on that! Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22474 Re: Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! Gabe Yedid Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon May 15, 2000 7:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! Greg wrote: > > 01. Oedipus Tyrannus Overture > > > This sounds great from the clip. There's an incredible amount of sequencing > going on, and if I am right, some of the tangentizing sounds a bit like the > noisy effects on Mars Polaris like those bits on Astrophobia. I could be very > > wrong on that! I thought the 'Oedipus Tyrannus Overture' was performed in Chichester, UK back in August 1974 (some parts of it were later used on the 'Desert dream' track on Encore)? Heiko From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon May 15, 2000 10:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE to all REs: calm down, guys... On Sun, 14 May 100 peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: >> ..as in my case, do so as a hobby. > > No question, and we all know that also hobbies can be done in a more or less > 'professional' way or at least with the idea of meeting certain quality > standards. All of us on this mailing list - including me with my printed > activities in the past - are occupied with and engaged in TD as a 'hobby' and > not as professionals. And we should meet every effort to improve our work. > Therefore, let's try to make good output, not mass output. This is damm' right. Don't get a mass output of homepages. We do have the original homepage and the TDI-site. Here you'll find everything you want to know. And some fanpages with informations you'll _not_ find onto the official sites. I remember myself, why I did my one. In the beginning it was only a trading-list and 'rough'. After a couble of weeks it was some- thing like a 'self-runner (we say in Germany)'. Unfortunately I see a lot of pages growing now with the same informations we can get from the official sites of my one. E.g., all records, tracklistings, year of the release. Well done, but sometimes too much. No new ideas. Nowadays I see my one as an add-on to the official sites with lots of more informations. I get approx. 30 - 50 clicks per day. So it's not senseless (IMO). And it makes a lot of fun to get all the positive reactions. Something's really missing is what we had in the past with the Dream- Collector. An information about all(!) activities of all(!) members, ex-members and so on. The TD-net is something like this - but it's not the Dream Collector. Just my opinion! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Pergamon' Date: Mon May 15, 2000 10:15 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] sounds/patches??? (airwave) hello > > I am looking for some TD/Jarre sounds/pathes for the following synths. > > Woaa dangerous question to ask. And I can see you already got the typical > standard reply from some other wise guy ;-))) Yeah well, I wasn't expecting someone on this list could be that unfriendly. > Well I usually use the following URL for searching for new patches for my > own synths. I don't see anything wrong in downloading a patch which sounds > more or less like the sound you are looking for, and then perhabs alter it > slightly to fit the need. > > Try www.synthzone.com I know the synthzone.com, and several other site containing patches for various synths, but I haven't yet found anything that fitted my needs, so I'll just make the sounds from scratch. Thanks anyway. > > Korg Z1 > > Kurzweil 2000 v2 > > Yamaha An1x > > Access Virus b > And to avoid your next question. No I don't have patches for > any of those synths. Nice lot though :-) =) yes!!! Jan From: 'Pergamon' Date: Mon May 15, 2000 10:17 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] RE: TD/Jarre sounds/patches??? hello From: Airwave > > I am looking for some TD/Jarre sounds/pathes for the following synths. > > Woaa dangerous question to ask. And I can see you already got the typical > standard reply from some other wise guy ;-))) Yeah well, I wasn't expecting someone on this list could be that unfriendly. > Well I usually use the following URL for searching for new patches for my > own synths. I don't see anything wrong in downloading a patch which sounds > more or less like the sound you are looking for, and then perhabs alter it > slightly to fit the need. > > Try www.synthzone.com I know the synthzone.com, and several other site containing patches for various synths, but I haven't yet found anything that fitted my needs, so I'll just make the sounds from scratch. Thanks anyway. > > Korg Z1 > > Kurzweil 2000 v2 > > Yamaha An1x > > Access Virus b > And to avoid your next question. No I don't have patches for > any of those synths. Nice lot though :-) =) yes!!! Jan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22468 Re: Sv: [tadream] RE: TD/Jarre sounds/patches??? Synthhtnys@a... Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon May 15, 2000 10:34 am Subject: Re: Sv: [tadream] RE: TD/Jarre sounds/patches??? In a message dated 5/15/2000 10:19:29 AM !!!First Boot!!!, pergamon@g... writes: << And I can see you already got the typical > standard reply from some other wise guy ;-))) Yeah well, I wasn't expecting someone on this list could be that unfriendly. *Hmmmm. I didn't mean it to be unfriendly. I think that's the surest way of getting your own sound. I meant it as a sincere piece of advice. Apologies if it came off that way. Poly From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Mon May 15, 2000 10:47 am Subject: SV: [tadream] RE to all REs: calm down, guys... peter.stoeferle@t... >I cannot decide whether you are an 'expert', an 'amateur' or anything 'less' >regarding TD, and this is not important, as I did not want to 'accuse' you of >anything. >Your mail was just the one that aroused my >reaction, so it was not an attack against you personally. Fair enough, no offense taken really, but it sure did look to me like you were questioning my level of 'expertise' or whatever you call it (I dont claim to be an expert tho, just to make that clear). >> Also, I never said I have not heard Phaedra or any other albums I choose >> to write about. >...but you must admit that your original question intended such a supposition: I dont understand how my question would intend such a supposition, but OK, lets not drag this any further. I just wanted someone else's opinion, preferably from someone that is a bigger TD fan than I am. >Hope the number of webpages never becomes so great that the fans forget >listening to the music because of spending their whole time with observing >internet publications... Couldnt agree more. Glenn JarreArt www.itsahit.com/jarreart Stuff www.folkvord.net/jarrestuff Emusic http://w3.to/_emusic From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Sat May 13, 2000 10:06 am Subject: changed e mail address Please be advised, my new e mail Address is Nick.Adams@e... Please update your address book accordingly. The old e Mail Address of Nicad@c... will remain active for only a short while longer. Apologies if you get this letter more than once. Regards Nick From: Steven Feldman Date: Sat May 13, 2000 5:58 pm Subject: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Real Songs' >Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 12:30:55 -0500 >Subject: RE: [tadream] Is Force Majeure really a classic? >From: tadream@egroups.com >Really-From: 'Owens, James E' >THru Metamorphic Rock is playing right now. My fave TD track of all. >The Beauty of this track to me is listening to how the effects in the >background evolve around the same basic sequence. Only TD could take >repetitive sequence and make something listenable out of it. [. . .] You mean, Krafwerk couldn't? ;) >To me this is the ESSENCE of classic TD! Yep, and that's why I find tracks 1, 3 and 8 of MARS POLARIS the 1990s version of the 70's-early 80's twenty-minute-long blowouts. They are half the length, but move at twice the pace. And no one can accuse these tracks of being boring-assed hardcore techno that doesn't have the structure of 'real music' or 'real songs'! That's why, twenty years from now, TD will still be enjoyed, while crap by Aphex Twin and Moby will be used only to mix better stuff in clubs (if even that). -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - Quip: 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.' --Albert Einstein Another: 'Science is to investigate the unexplained, not to 'explain' the uninvestigated.' --Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist and UFO researcher Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22475 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Sean Montgomery Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB 22478 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Jared White Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB 22482 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Gabe Yedid Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB 22483 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Sean Montgomery Mon 5/15/2000 3 KB 22486 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Jared White Mon 5/15/2000 3 KB 22476 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Jared White Mon 5/15/2000 3 KB 22479 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Sean Montgomery Mon 5/15/2000 4 KB 22481 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Jared White Mon 5/15/2000 5 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Fri May 12, 2000 3:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Fantasy role-players wanted! On Fri, 12 May 2000 15:50:52 +0100 Nigbur D said: >Sorry for the off-topic... >I am looking for list members with an interest in fantasy role-playing >to start a play-by-email campaign. [. . .] If you want to keep it marginally on-topic, there was a KEEP role-playing module put out in the Role Aids series, meant to go with Advanced Dungeons and Dragons. -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - Quip: 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.' --Albert Einstein Another: 'Science is to investigate the unexplained, not to 'explain' the uninvestigated.' --Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist and UFO researcher Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22515 Re: OT: Fantasy role-players wanted! PENFOLD Wed 5/17/2000 3 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Mon May 15, 2000 2:04 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Real Song s' Hurrayy, finally some positive thoughts about the new TD sound, Lately it seems everyone turned against TD. Bert > Yep, and that's why I find tracks 1, 3 and 8 of MARS POLARIS the > 1990s version of the 70's-early 80's twenty-minute-long blowouts. They > are half the length, but move at twice the pace. And no one can accuse > these tracks of being boring-assed hardcore techno that doesn't have > the structure of 'real music' or 'real songs'! That's why, twenty > years from now, TD will still be enjoyed, while crap by Aphex Twin and > Moby will be used only to mix better stuff in clubs (if even that). > > -- Steven Feldman > - - - - - - - > Quip: 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.' --Albert Einstein > Another: 'Science is to investigate the unexplained, not to 'explain' the > uninvestigated.' --Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist and UFO researcher > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/5/_/24785/_/958398904/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Gabe Yedid Date: Mon May 15, 2000 3:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! On Mon, 15 May 2000, Greg wrote: > > > 01. Oedipus Tyrannus Overture > > > This sounds great from the clip. There's an incredible amount of sequencing > going on, and if I am right, some of the tangentizing sounds a bit like the > noisy > effects on Mars Polaris like those bits on Astrophobia. I could be very > wrong on that! Um, Greg...the soundclip you are referring to, is, I think, what we call 'Sobornost' and what will (unfortunately, IMO) henceforth be known as 'Edinburgh Castle'. It's a 1981 Exit-era piece. While we're still on this subject, anyone willing to place any bets that this 'Cool Breeze of Brighton' will be 'Vermilion Sands'? Wasn't the so-called 'Ride On The Ray' bit that Jerome featured on the Electrobeats show supposed to be from a 1986 Brighton show? Gabe From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon May 15, 2000 4:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Real Songs' On Sat, 13 May 2000, Steven Feldman wrote: > That's why, twenty years from now, TD will still be enjoyed, while crap > by Aphex Twin and Moby will be used only to mix better stuff in clubs > (if even that). HA!! I've agreed with you about some things in the past, Steve, but not about that last remark. I'm no Aphex Twin fan, but I respect him for what he's done in his career thusfar. And Moby...come on man, Play kicks ass! You want to talk about an album that'll still be enjoyed 20 years from now- well, there you go. I doubt I'll be listening to Great Wall of China in 20 years. Heck, I don't listen to it now. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22478 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Jared White Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB 22482 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Gabe Yedid Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB 22483 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Sean Montgomery Mon 5/15/2000 3 KB 22486 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Jared White Mon 5/15/2000 3 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Mon May 15, 2000 4:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Real Songs' > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Feldman [mailto:ar402004@b...] > > >Really-From: 'Owens, James E' > >To me this is the ESSENCE of classic TD! > > Yep, and that's why I find tracks 1, 3 and 8 of MARS POLARIS the > 1990s version of the 70's-early 80's twenty-minute-long > blowouts. They > are half the length, but move at twice the pace. And no one > can accuse > these tracks of being boring-assed hardcore techno that doesn't have > the structure of 'real music' or 'real songs'! That's why, twenty > years from now, TD will still be enjoyed, while crap by Aphex Twin and > Moby will be used only to mix better stuff in clubs (if even that). Hmm -- I don't know what prompted this little rant, but I must say I AGREE WITH YOU 100%!!! Especially about the techno part. I keep saying that all this ultra-cool 'electronica' that's all the rage right now is just another passing fad (and an irritating one at that). When the next cool style comes along, techno (at least as we know it today) will all of a sudden sound stale and 'old-fashioned' -- it's happened before and it will happen again. In the year 2050, the cool music of today will just be a sad joke. But Mars Polaris? In the year 2050, it will still sound like what it is: beautiful, mysterious, passionate, cold, empty, warm, full. In a word, it's actual music. Jared __________________________________________ Jared White E-mail: jwhite@g... GaelDesign: http://www.gaeldesign.com The Digital Fine Art Gallery: http://www.gaeldesign.com/gallery Distant Oaks - Celtic Music Ensemble: http://www.distantoaks.com Personal Site: http://www.sonic.net/~jwhite 'Trust in the scientific consensus that states that conventional and Bioengineered foods are preferable methods of food production.' -- http://www.purefoods.org (rip-off of http://www.purefood.org) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22479 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Sean Montgomery Mon 5/15/2000 4 KB 22481 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Jared White Mon 5/15/2000 5 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon May 15, 2000 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Soundclips/Tracklist up! On Sun, 14 May 2000, Rainer Rutka wrote: > Strange - the selection for AD! IMO, it'll should have been a > double CD - one CD is not enough. Of course not....there will be more in the future, of course! I heaved a sigh when I saw the info for Antique Dreams. Another atrocious cover (a *really* nasty one this time). More evidence of Tangentizing. And as with the Hollywood Years, no info about the tracks. This is one thing that really burns my ass about TDI...they know that fans are clamouring for material from the vaults, but when they finally release some of it, we have to buy the album to find out what it is, or how it may have been altered. What's 'Calymba Caly'? Who wrote it? When was it written? These are basic questions that most record labels answer in their promotional material. Would it be too much to ask if the website could add info like 'b-side from Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe single, 1982' or 'unreleased song, performed during 1981 European tour'? And could they at least come right out and say that these songs have been altered with new sounds, instead of claiming that they're from '1971-1988'? *sigh* Looking to past experience as a guide, I'm obviously hoping for too much. Anyway, I'll wait for others to post their reviews before I pick this one up. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Jared White' Date: Mon May 15, 2000 4:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Real Songs' > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Montgomery [mailto:sean@t...] > I doubt I'll be listening to Great > Wall of China > in 20 years. Heck, I don't listen to it now. Gee, it *is* sad TD is marketing Great Wall of China as their hot new studio album. Oh wait, they *aren't* marketing Great Wall of China as their hot new studio album. In fact, I seem to remember something about it being a quick soundtrack project for a documentary. Oh well -- let's all castrate TD anyway for putting out such a 'bad' quick soundtrack project for a documentary when other people's hot new studio albums are better (supposedly). Jared From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon May 15, 2000 5:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Real Songs' > Hmm -- I don't know what prompted this little rant, but I must say I > AGREE WITH YOU 100%!!! Especially about the techno part. I keep saying > that all this ultra-cool 'electronica' that's all the rage right now is > just another passing fad (and an irritating one at that). Okay, it's time for my own rant. If you think that TD is the centre of the musical universe, this won't change your opinion, so I'm probably just talking to myself. Still, I just gotta say what's on my mind here. I don't hold individual artists responsible for the kind of music they make being given a marketing category, and then hyped mercillessly. Record labels are in the business of moving product, and if they can convince the kiddies that they have to buy the new Prodigy album in order to be hip, then that's what they'll do. But I think the 'fad' stage of techno is over. Radio isn't playing it, it isn't getting the front of store treatment at record stores, music magazines aren't talking about it much...and its list of 'stars' (Chemical Brothers, Underworld, Orbital) failed to set the world on fire with their most recent albums. Of the two artists Steve mentioned, Aphex Twin has never been popular, and Moby's music can't be pigeon-holed as 'Techno'. Listen to the song Bodyrock, for instance. There's only one thing that counts in the end: is the music good? Are the melodies catchy, the atmosphere a compelling one? You can say (with some justification) that most disco music sucks, but Giorgio Moroder's work on Donna Summer's 'I Feel Love' created a classic that trancended its genre. Sure, much of what's called 'cool' today will seem dated soon, but TD circa 1977 sounds dated now too. Does that make it less worthwhile? I don't think so. Those who only listen to what's currently trendy will abandon Moby, sure, but those who know a good album when they hear one will continue to play it for years to come. The 'Madchester' movement of the early 90s saw it's day in the sun come and go, but it produced the first Stone Roses album, still one of the best releases of the past ten years (in my opinion, of course). > But Mars Polaris? In the year 2050, it will still sound like what it is: > beautiful, mysterious, passionate, cold, empty, warm, full. In a word, > it's actual music. Mars Polaris is an okay album, but I don't forsee it being remembered 50 years from now. Sorry. If I'm wrong, you can drop by my senior's home and laugh at me. SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22481 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Jared White Mon 5/15/2000 5 KB From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Mon May 15, 2000 5:53 pm Subject: Week 35 album discussion Lily on the beach I think joe's away just a reminder. From: 'Jared White' Date: Mon May 15, 2000 7:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Real Songs' Hi, Sean, > Okay, it's time for my own rant. If you think that TD is the > centre of > the musical universe, this won't change your opinion, so I'm > probably just > talking to myself. Still, I just gotta say what's on my mind here. Er, I'm not sure exactly what my opinion should change to -- I couldn't really disagree with most of what you said, especially when I'm not familiar with most of the artists you've mentioned. (And about TD being the center of my musical universe -- check out http://www.distantoaks.com and see what kind of music *I'm* making. You'll probably be surprised.) :) > There's only one thing that counts in the end: is the music > good? Are the > melodies catchy, the atmosphere a compelling one? So we agree then. I think maybe you didn't get my original meaning -- I was complaining about this huge 'mega-genre' of electronica that's just exploded into a million sub-genres overrun by DJs with groove boxes who think they're musicians. I'm sure there's some real music in the techno genre -- I'm just having a hard time finding it amongst the deluge of crap that is unfortunately making the whole genre extremely unappealing to me. > You can say (with > some justification) that most disco music sucks, but Giorgio > Moroder's work on Donna Summer's 'I Feel Love' created a classic that > trancended its genre. Sure, much of what's called 'cool' > today will seem > dated soon, but TD circa 1977 sounds dated now too. Does that make it > less worthwhile? I don't think so. Bach sounds dated. Mozart sounds dated. Debussy sounds dated. All artists, whether they like it or not, are products of their time -- no matter how genius they might be. What makes an artist great is that his art can trancend the genre and the time in which it was originally written, and appeal to discerning music lovers of all ages, everywhere, everytime. Most techno does not fit this category by any stretch of the imagination, and I think even you'll agree with that. > > But Mars Polaris? In the year 2050, it will still sound > like what it is: > > beautiful, mysterious, passionate, cold, empty, warm, full. > In a word, > > it's actual music. > > Mars Polaris is an okay album, but I don't forsee it being > remembered 50 > years from now. Sorry. If I'm wrong, you can drop by my > senior's home > and laugh at me. I think you missed my point. It doesn't matter if anyone remembers Mars Polaris in 50 years or not -- I believe those who like it now would still like it in 50 years, and I still think it'd sound as new and fresh in 50 years as it does now. Those who don't like Mars Polaris now probably wouldn't like it in 50 years, so that's beside the point! I think, Sean, that we have reasonably similar opinions about music in general, but have VERY different tastes in music. That makes it difficult to agree on issues like this one. But, really -- do we need to agree anyway? That's why there are so many different kinds of music in the world -- everyone's different. :) Regards, Jared From: Gabe Yedid Date: Mon May 15, 2000 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Real Songs' On Mon, 15 May 2000, Sean Montgomery wrote: > he's done in his career thusfar. And Moby...come on man, Play kicks ass! > You want to talk about an album that'll still be enjoyed 20 years from > now- well, there you go. I doubt I'll be listening to Great Wall of China > in 20 years. Heck, I don't listen to it now. I just want to know one thing: have you listened to it AT ALL? Or have you just reached a point of such utter frustration and disappointment with TD's music that you really don't want to take the chance? Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22483 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Sean Montgomery Mon 5/15/2000 3 KB 22486 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Jared White Mon 5/15/2000 3 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon May 15, 2000 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Real Songs' > I just want to know one thing: have you listened to it AT ALL? Yes I have. Maybe I'm being too swift in my judgements now, but when I first heard TD music in the mid 80s I didn't have to work at liking it. When I heard Underwater Sunlight; their music from Risky Business and Thief and Firestarter - I fell in love right away. Over the years, the TD music that I liked the first time I heard it (Tangram, Exit, Poland, Canyon Dreams, Dream Mixes) is still the TD music that I like best. The albums I didn't like (Zeit, Cyclone, Destination Berlin, Turn of the Tides, Tyranny of Beauty), I still don't like. I continue to approach each new TD album with a certain amount of optimism, prepared to be pleasantly surprised. And I did indeed like parts of Mars Polaris and Architecture in Motion. Great Wall of China, however, just put me to sleep (apart from Ming Tien, which is okay). I must seem to be in a negative mood today....I'm not, really! But there are days when I think about leaving the list. I'm just not the fan of all things TD that I once was. And I'm sure many of you would be happy to be rid of my criticisms! :-) SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22486 Re: TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Rea Jared White Mon 5/15/2000 3 KB From: 'Jens Peschke' Date: Mon May 15, 2000 8:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Real Songs' From: 'Sean Montgomery' > I must seem to be in a negative mood today....I'm not, really! But there > are days when I think about leaving the list. I'm just not the fan of > all things TD that I once was. And I'm sure many of you would > be happy to be rid of my criticisms! :-) Exactly my sentiments. I hardly can find something positive to say about TDI of today. Or of past TD offered by TDI. I even bought Soundmill Navigator after reading the negative comments on here. As I want to concentrate on the positive sides of things the best about SM is its shortness. It's gone in 41 minutes. ;-) I won't say more. :-)) So it's fair enough for me to leave too. 8-) Take care Jens From: 'Jared White' Date: Mon May 15, 2000 8:05 pm Subject: What happened to D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] ? 'Nuff said. :) Regards, Jared Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22550 Re: What happened to D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] Feldon Feldon Fri 5/19/2000 2 KB 22562 Re: What happened to D:Studio [Lily on the Beach] Szatmari, Pal Sat 5/20/2000 2 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Mon May 15, 2000 8:09 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Real Songs' Hi, Sean, > I must seem to be in a negative mood today....I'm not, > really! But there > are days when I think about leaving the list. I'm just not the fan of > all things TD that I once was. And I'm sure many of you would > be happy to be rid of my criticisms! :-) Actually, I always enjoy (or at least 'tolerate' ;)) your postings because you always present your opinions as your own opinions. I can't stand it when people go around throwing their opinions about as if they're gospel. As least you acknowledge there are other people out there who actually think differently than you do! I appreciate your opinions, and I often agree with what you have to say, and I think the list wouldn't quite be the same without you. Maybe you should just take a break for a while, and come back when you're more in the mood. I've done that before (for different reasons), and it's worked great! Best wishes, Jared From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon May 15, 2000 8:56 pm Subject: You lost me at #3 All in one day Jared posted: 1) < I'm sure there's some real music in the techno genre -- I'm just having a hard time finding it amongst the deluge of crap that is unfortunately making the whole genre extremely unappealing to me.>> 2) <> 3) <> * 3 is where you lose me Jared. How does this not apply to you? Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22488 Re: You lost me at #3 Jared White Mon 5/15/2000 2 KB 22498 Re: You lost me at #3 Synthhtnys@a... Tue 5/16/2000 3 KB 22503 Re: You lost me at #3 Joe Shoults Tue 5/16/2000 2 KB 22500 Re: You lost me at #3 kevine@c... Tue 5/16/2000 2 KB 22504 Re: You lost me at #3 Craig Chambers Tue 5/16/2000 2 KB 22509 Re: You lost me at #3 horrod6 Tue 5/16/2000 3 KB 22511 You lost me at #3 Synthhtnys@a... Tue 5/16/2000 2 KB 22512 Re: You lost me at #3 Joe Shoults Tue 5/16/2000 2 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Mon May 15, 2000 9:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] You lost me at #3 > * 3 is where you lose me Jared. How does this not apply to you? As usual -- attack the person when you can't argue the point. Exactly what have I presented as gospel? The techno genre being overwhelmed with crap? OK, name me some artists producing classic, timeless music in the techno genre, and I'll take a listen. I haven't heard much interesting so far. Jared P. S. And what's this got to do with Sean Montgomery thinking about leaving the list, anyway? So far I'm the only person who's wished him luck and hoped he'd come back soon if he leaves. Jens just went off in a huff, and your big contribution to the discussion is directing a snide remark at me. What a great group we have here.... From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Mon May 15, 2000 9:32 pm Subject: Re: Beach Theme/Scene Hello Dreamers The last track on Disc 4 of the Tangents box set is listed as 'Beach Theme'. Is this a remix of that particular track or is it a remix of 'Beach Scene'? I don't own 'Thief' but by the track length I suspect it could be 'Beach Scene', can anyone help? Cheers Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22492 Re: Beach Theme/Scene Michael A Jean Tue 5/16/2000 3 KB From: 'DEREK LAING' Date: Mon May 15, 2000 9:45 pm Subject: This weeks playlist Hi all This week I've been mostly listening to much the same as last week; TD - Tangents, Poland, Pergamon & Logos Jethro Tull - A Passion Play & Dot Com Fish - Raingods with Zippos Mike Oldfield - The Songs of Distant Earth Cheers Derek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22499 Re: This weeks playlist Bag Tue 5/16/2000 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Mon May 15, 2000 11:15 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] TD vs. Hardcore Techno: 'Real Music' and 'Real Songs' Hello > Especially about the techno part. I keep saying > that all this ultra-cool 'electronica' that's all the rage right now is > just another passing fad (and an irritating one at that). When the next > cool style comes along, techno (at least as we know it today) will all > of a sudden sound stale and 'old-fashioned' -- it's happened before and > it will happen again. In the year 2050, the cool music of today will > just be a sad joke. What's with all the bad attitude towards the technogenre???? you sounds like my mother and father when I started hearing electronic music 20 years ago or so. 'bla bla bla this is just noise, this music is a fase, we will not listen to this in 20 years. Well, I still listen to TD, Jarre etc etc etc. The Technogenre has not just been here for 2 years, in the beginning of the 80', Depeche mode and the likes were called technomusic, house-music have been here for nearly 2 decades, I myself started playing 'techno' back in 90'. Of cause it has changed like most music does. So you are wrong, this isn't just a trend that will go away in the next 3 days, it is still growing. The same thing happened when Hip hop/rap were introduced, everybody said it would fade away in a couple of years, yeah well it is still around. Even a great musician like Jarre has recognized the technogenre as something good. Jerome Froese playes Drum'n'bass when DJ'ing. You can be sure that if I am still around in year 2050, I will be dancing with my friends, on the seniors home, to some great goa. =) and of cause relaxing to some beautiful sequencer-parts from TD. From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue May 16, 2000 1:13 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Beach Theme/Scene The two songs are very similar....Both are on the THIEF CD... It may be remixed slightly... > -----Original Message----- > From: DEREK LAING [mailto:DEREK@l...] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 4:33 PM > To: DEREK LAING; tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Beach Theme/Scene > > > > > Hello Dreamers > The last track on Disc 4 of the Tangents box set is listed as > 'Beach Theme'. Is this a remix of that particular track or is it > a remix of 'Beach Scene'? I don't own 'Thief' but by the track > length I suspect it could be 'Beach Scene', can anyone help? > Cheers > Derek > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > $60 in FREE Long Distance! Click Here to join beMANY! today. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4126/5/_/24785/_/958426529/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue May 16, 2000 2:40 am Subject: Semi-OT: techno wheat vs. chaff In a message dated 5/15/00 5:26:21 PM, jwhite@s... writes: >Exactly >what have I presented as gospel? The techno genre being overwhelmed with >crap? OK, name me some artists producing classic, timeless music in the >techno genre, and I'll take a listen. I haven't heard much interesting >so far. You weren't talking to me there, but I figured I'd throw out some names anyway. These are, of course, just my opinions, but here are the names I would give to anyone who wants to know why I like techno music (shortly after explaining that I don't like the Prodigy): Anubian Lights Apoptygma Berzerk Astralasia ('The Space Between') 808 State Empirion Juno Reactor The Orb Orbital ('The Middle of Nowhere' at least) Saint Etienne ('Tiger Bay') Total Eclipse (at least prior to 'Access Denied') Xylon Not to mention, of course, 'The Dream Mixes' and 'TimeSquare.' Oh, and I agree that most techno is garbage--but I think that's equally true of most other genres. --Daniel NP: Apoptygma Berzerk--Welcome to Earth Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22494 Re: Semi-OT: techno wheat vs. chaff Jared White Tue 5/16/2000 3 KB 22495 Re: Semi-OT: techno wheat vs. chaff Sean Montgomery Tue 5/16/2000 2 KB 22516 Re: Semi-OT: techno wheat vs. chaff PENFOLD Wed 5/17/2000 3 KB From: 'Jared White' Date: Tue May 16, 2000 3:23 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Semi-OT: techno wheat vs. chaff Hi, Daniel, > You weren't talking to me there, but I figured I'd throw out > some names > anyway. These are, of course, just my opinions, but here are > the names I > would give to anyone who wants to know why I like techno > music (shortly after > explaining that I don't like the Prodigy): THANK YOU! This is exactly the kind of response I was looking for -- I'll go check out some of those artists (thank God for the Internet and soundclips!) and get back to you. > Not to mention, of course, 'The Dream Mixes' and 'TimeSquare.' :) Let me say one thing here -- at the very least, I like some *aspects* of techno, which is why I like Dream Mixes and Timesquare. Jerome managed to take the very aspects of techno I like and blend them with his own unique (IMHO) style, as well as the general TD-esque tradition he is a part of. Probably the one thing I could say about what makes DM I & 2 great compared to some other techno I've heard is this: it has good melodies! Melodies are my life! :) > Oh, and I agree that most techno is garbage--but I think > that's equally true > of most other genres. No kidding! Anyway, thanks again for your message, and I'd like to apologize if I did come off a bit too strongly in my recent posts. I was shooting off quick e-mails in the midst of the drudgery of the work I'm doing right now, and my patience and mood were probably not at their best. :) Take care, Jared From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue May 16, 2000 3:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Semi-OT: techno wheat vs. chaff A few recommendations of my own (titles in quotes are songs, the others are album titles): 'Papua New Guinea' - Future Sound of London Orbital 2, 'Chime', 'The Girl With the Sun In Her Head' - Orbital Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld; 'Toxygene' - The Orb Exit Planet Dust - The Chemical Brothers Strange Cargo III - William Orbit Leftism - Leftfield Play - Moby Moon Safari - Air Flux - Love Spirals Downwards 'Jumbo' - Underworld 'While the Earth Sleeps' - Deep Forest 'Pacific' - 808 State 'Voodoo Ray' - A Guy Called Gerald 'Strings of Life' - Derrick May 'Something Good' - Utah Saints SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue May 16, 2000 6:40 am Subject: TD soundtracks Yesterday I listened to a TD radio interview from 1989 (the famous 'Schwingungen' interview where three tracks from 'The Keep' were played for the first time ever), and there Edgar said that about 46-48 hours of unused soundtrack material was still lying around in some American film studios, waiting to be released (or even heard). Ah....so much TD music that will never see the light of day. Too much if you'd ask me. Heiko From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue May 16, 2000 6:43 am Subject: TD interviews wanted Hi Gang, I'm looking for interview tapes from Tangerine Dream (and its' past and present members) I already have a small amount but still not enough. If anyone has a tape to share with me maybe we can sort out a swap/trade. Heiko (e-mail: heiko.heerssen@h...) From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue May 16, 2000 7:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] You lost me at #3 As usual -- attack the person when you can't argue the point. Exactly what have I presented as gospel? * Well Jared, it's so painfully obvious I didn't feel the need to elaborate, but since you need it spelled out here goes... your gospel is one of '90's TD = GOOD! '70's TD = BAD! you are in fact almost always hammering this point as if it WERE gospel, and often with the 'dripping sarcasm' mode on. The reason I clipped those sections was because in the same day you sent out posts making blanket generalizations about The techno genre being crap....and then turning around and saying 'Other' people should be open minded....and golly, they're not always nice? Well, you could stand to lighten up a little yourself. Simple as that. Oh, and if you have an open mind, check out Fanger and Kersten (aka Mindflux) Kontinuum, and see if it's 'Musical' enough for you. P. S. And what's this got to do with Sean Montgomery thinking about leaving the list, anyway? * Nothing at all... it has to do with being tired of your reactions, and also having seen your site with it's emphasis on Christianity.... perhaps you could be a little less egotistical, and a little more 'Christian' (I.E. walk the walk, my friend.) Jens just went off in a huff, and your big contribution to the discussion is directing a snide remark at me. What a great group we have here.... *Well, Jens and I are friends... He didn't leave because of me...... Jared. Yes we do have a great group here aside from those who think they have a divine right to be sarcastic, but who recoil at the slightest taste of their own medicine. Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 22503 Re: You lost me at #3 Joe Shoults Tue 5/16/2000 2 KB From: Bag Date: Tue May 16, 2000 7:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] This weeks playlist Hi! This week I have listened to: TD - 20th Century Serenades GWoCH Firestarter Rubycon Camel - Stationery Traveller Alan Parson - On Air Ashra - Blackout Best regards Bag ********************* bag@a... http://tadream.ac.pl/ ICQ: 38909542 ********************* From: kevine@c... Date: Mon May 15, 2000 10:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] You lost me at #3 I applaud Poly for the brevity of his posts. Unfortunately, it seems that they are too easily misconstrued. I believe that Poly was pointing out, Jared, that in your previous posts about techno you sounded like you were 'throwing your opinions about as if they're gospel'. This is just my opinion. Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support