From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Thu Jul 13, 2000 8:30 am Subject: New Simon Slator song online soon. Hello all! Just finished uploading an EXCLUSIVE preview track from the forthcoming album, 'The Mosaic Effect'. Of the songs already complete, I've decided to upload 'FAR BEYOND THE LIGHT FANTASTIC' - you should be able to download it between tomorrow and Monday (some of you already know how slow Mp3.com are at approving new songs). The song runs for 4:47, is approx 4.5Mb to download and is entirely self penned, produced and performed. It consists of a developing rhythm with multi-layered synth backdrops and leads. Not entirely very Tangerine Dream-esque, moreso where the relaxing techniques of Vangelis meets the world-influence of Enigma, with the sleek, smooth production of Alan Parsons. Please download it and, more importantly, enjoy it! You will be able to download it from http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject Regards Simon Slator. ============== Simon Slator Website: http://pages.zoom.co.uk/simon.slator Download my own music at: http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Roger Hartopp Date: Thu Jul 13, 2000 10:27 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Dream Mixes] It looks like since the latest album discussion was announced last Sunday (Thanks Lawry), I'm going to be the first to post a comment. And it's now Thursday. Where is everyone? Okay, here we go... I remember 'Dream Mixes' arriving in the post, and like everyone else, not particularly sure what to expect. Prior to this, 'Tangents' arrived and I was suitably impressed, except for the disc of new tracks (save 'Silver Scale', of course). Then 'Tyranny of Beauty' arrived, and suddenly 'Vulcano' (as the tangents Disc as unofficially referred as) took new prominance. 'Zoning', arriving a few weeks after ToB even put TD's last studio release into the shade. Then Dream Mixes arrived with one of the worst covers to date: a mix of blobs on a yellow background with a drawing of a girl dancing on the bottom right. Inside is the line 'The famous TD sound with an infectious beat...' did Edgar write that or was that just a mischievous one-liner thrown in by Miramar, who released the thing? So it wasn't looking good. Quick glance at the titles: Hmmm, five completely new tracks, but of the others, three were from the dreaded ToB and one from Rockoon... So, off we go. Put the sleeve notes down and just press play. Hey, the first track is pretty good, quite lively. Must be one of the new tracks. Check track titles: What? 'Little Blond in the Park of Attractions'? Surely not. 'Rough Embrace' then keeps this new-found attention going. Then it's 'Touchwood'... Good grief, does that sound so much better than the 'Rockoon' version! 'Jungle Journey' is instantly recognisable, but without the guitars... Hey, where are all those guitars Edgar and Jerome seem to love so much? Then I realised... ther ARE NO GUITARS!!! It's as if it's finally occured to someone the tracks sound so much better without a guitar played all over the place to fill a big middle between a short intro and end! Moving on. 'Virtually Fields'... Hey, this is a seriously underated track! Bloody brilliant! And 'Firetongues'... the best reworking of a TD track so far. Even my wife loves it. 'San Rocco' is OK, 'Catwalk', the only decent piece on ToB, gets a pretty good makeover... then there's 'Change of the Gods', and finally, for me still the weakest piece, 'Bride in Cold Tears', still recognisable from ToB, but still an improvement. Damn good stuff, but enough for me to play it again... but my judgement was still reserved. BUT THEN ARRIVED THE CLUB DREAM MIXES and a NEW COVER! That was it. After hearing the new tracks 'Iowa' and 'Sojus', I was finally hooked. Everthing on the two discs seemed to gel and work. The new TD had finally turned the corner. 'Dream Mixes' was indeed a significant, if not important release, not just for fans but for the band itself. And the band realised it: the style was carried through to some tracks on 'Goblin's Club', 'What A Blast!' and 'Mars Polaris'. The guitar was finally being put back into the background or being laid to rest. Plus 'Dream Mixes 2' is just brilliant and I can't personally wait for 'Dream Mixes 3'. Of course, those who remained stuck in the past denounced it totally and now have nothing to do with the band (shame on you Alan Freeman, author of 'The Crack in the Cosmic Egg' [NOT the British DJ]). Of couse, they have RMI, RedShift, and Air Sculpture to keep them happy... If 'Dream Mixes' hadn't arrived... well, I don't know. I would have feared for the band's future. But it came, it conquered most of the fans' hearts (and mine) and now we all look forward to the future (Oh oh, someone's already dreading that Tibet album because there's no drums or sequencers...) There we go. There's my five pence worth. Now what do the rest of you think? Roger Hartopp ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23253 Re: D:Studio [Dream Mixes] Heiko Heerssen Thu 7/13/2000 2 KB 23259 Re: D:Studio [Dream Mixes] Sean Montgomery Thu 7/13/2000 5 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Jul 13, 2000 11:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: D:Studio [Dream Mixes] Roger Hartopp wrote: > There we go. There's my five pence worth. Now what do the rest of you > think? > > Roger Hartopp You said it all! And I also can't wait for Dream Mixes 3 because IMO Dream mixes 2 belongs to the very best TD did in the entire 90's. If someone of you has the tracklisting for DM3 please let me know, I don't like secrets! Heiko n.p.: TD Mainz Elzerhof 29.10.76 :-D > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Want to be the first to know? > Be the first to see sneak peeks of new music, movies and games! > http://click.egroups.com/1/6693/6/_/24785/_/963484058/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Jul 13, 2000 11:40 am Subject: Re: Studio 'Dream Mixes' Hi Roger and everyone, You aint kiddin'. This was one of the ugliest covers I've ever seen! It indeed does an injustice to the music inside it. I happen to love Touchwood no matter how many times it has been showcased. And if it wasn't for Firetongues from the Turn Of The Tide CD I possibly may not have bought that second TD CD. And look at where I am now! Overall, I didn't think the CD was too bad. It probably should get more playing time than it has though. I'll have to do that sometime this week. I also agree that that second CD with Sojus is a much needed improvement cover wise. I am one of those fans who have heard and absolutely love some of the music from AirSculpture, Red Shift and RMI. Red Shifts 'Ether' has some of the best sequencing I've ever heard. We're talking Pergamon caliber !! AirSculpture's 'Europa' is another one that I highly recommend. Believe me, you'll thank me. Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23255 Re: Studio 'Dream Mixes' Heiko Heerssen Thu 7/13/2000 2 KB 23258 Re: Studio 'Dream Mixes' Marcel Engels Thu 7/13/2000 2 KB 23256 Re: Studio 'Dream Mixes' Frank Arellano Thu 7/13/2000 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Jul 13, 2000 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Studio 'Dream Mixes' Frank Arellano wrote: > I am one of those fans who have heard and absolutely love some of the music from AirSculpture, Red Shift and RMI. Red Shifts 'Ether' has some of the best sequencing I've ever heard. We're talking > Pergamon caliber !! AirSculpture's 'Europa' is another one that I highly recommend. > Believe me, you'll thank me. It's true what you say about Redshift, Airsculpture (& let's not forget Arcane). Mostly brilliant music... but why do I always get the impression that what they play is like trying to re-invent the (EM) wheel..?. And I wonder what some of the artists would be doing now if TD had never existed (epecially Arcane & Redshift). But as long as it's great music they are forgiven ;-) Heiko P.S.: 'Ether' has Pergamon caliber? That really would be a 'Change of the gods'.. TD rules! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23258 Re: Studio 'Dream Mixes' Marcel Engels Thu 7/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Jul 13, 2000 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Studio 'Dream Mixes' Well when Red Shift, AirSculpture, RMI and Arcane produce another 10-15 great releases then we might consider 'A change of the gods' :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Heiko Heerssen To: Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Studio 'Dream Mixes' > > > Frank Arellano wrote: > > > I am one of those fans who have heard and absolutely love some of the music from AirSculpture, Red Shift and RMI. Red Shifts 'Ether' has some of the best sequencing I've ever heard. We're talking > > Pergamon caliber !! AirSculpture's 'Europa' is another one that I highly recommend. > > Believe me, you'll thank me. > > It's true what you say about Redshift, Airsculpture (& let's not forget Arcane). Mostly brilliant music... but why do I always get the impression that what they play is like trying to re-invent the (EM) > wheel..?. And I wonder what some of the artists would be doing now if TD had never existed (epecially Arcane & Redshift). But as long as it's great music they are forgiven ;-) > > Heiko > > P.S.: 'Ether' has Pergamon caliber? That really would be a 'Change of the gods'.. TD rules! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Want to know what movie to rent tonight? > Come to FirstLook.com and preview the newest video and DVD releases! > http://click.egroups.com/1/6695/6/_/24785/_/963489053/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Thu Jul 13, 2000 3:53 pm Subject: Don't bother - TEST Nu, måske ! lakota@g... - We'll Keep The Red Flag Flying High - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Jul 13, 2000 4:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Studio 'Dream Mixes' > Frank Arellano wrote: > > Red Shifts > 'Ether' has some of the best sequencing I've ever heard. We're talking > > Pergamon caliber !! AirSculpture's 'Europa' is another one that > I highly recommend. > > Believe me, you'll thank me. Hmm I personally don't find the sequencing on Pergamon the best sequencing there is...it's a bit thinner then usual. In fact the sequencing done on Ether is imo way better then on Pergamon. But I don't think the 2 albums can be compared. In fact (imo) everything before Pergamon TD has done has better sequencing. Even the sequencing on Tangram which has some of the Pergamon 'moments' has better sequencing. But it's all imo. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Email :mengels@w... From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Jul 13, 2000 5:54 pm Subject: Re: D:Studio [Dream Mixes] I have to second Roger's comments about Dream Mixes. It arrived at a time when my interest in TD was at its lowest point ever. I've disliked a few TD releases (the vocal tracks on Cyclone, Zeit, most of Dead Solid Perfect), but Tyranny of Beauty was worse...it was just plain boring..apart from Catwalk, but even then, it's charms were relatively slight. Through classmates at animation shool, I was being introduced to all kinds of new artists (Chemical Brothers, Saint Etienne, Bjork, Massive Attack, Cocteau Twins) that gave me the same 'aha!' feeling that TD did when I first heard them, and TD's new releases sounded cheesy, limp and unispired in comparision. Then I saw Dream Mixes. I cringed at the cover's comment about 'infectious beats'. That seemed like a recipe for disaster. I figured that the label had hired some low-rent producers to add bland drum tracks to music from ToB that had nothing to do with dance music. Mind you, I actually liked the remix of Patrick O'Hearn's 'Chattahoochee Field Day' from 'Mix-Up', but the rest of that album was pretty atrocious. At any rate, I took the album home, and popped it in. As I often do with new albums, I first scanned it with my finger on the FF button...sampling the first few seconds of each track. The lack of guitars was immediately noticeable, and an obvious improvement. I had enjoyed the return of the guitar to TD's sound on Underwater Sunlight, but by the time of ToB, the wailing solos had become pointless, boring, and evocative of bad TV soundtracks. While the first three remixes were all immediate improvements on the original, the track that really stopped me was Virtually Fields. This was unlike anything else that I'd ever heard by TD. Sirens, harsh sounds, industrial strength percussion...well, for the first minute or so, anyway. Then it resolved itself into the kind of tune that TD hadn't been making enough of..one with driving rhythms, beautiful melodies and innovative sounds. Virtually Fields was the piece that sold the album for me. Then, as I explored the album further, I grew to like San Rocco to, and the remixes of Touchwood and Little Blond. When I got the 2 CD version, I immediately responded to Sojus too. After DM, I was interested in the band again. I waited to see what they would do next. And, unfortunately, no entire album that they've done since has been quite as good. DM2 was okay, but I felt it lacked the spontaneity of the original. The drum n' bass dabblings lacked any passion. Mars Polaris was enjoyable, but only a couple of its songs really did it for me. TD threatened to get dangerous on the first DM...and then pulled back, retreating to meandering, lighter-weight material again. All their best tracks since (Flashflood, Ming Tian, Astrophobia, the NY Brix remix of Timesquare), have been the songs most akin to the first DM album. Sorry, I forgot to add 'in my opinion'. I know others here, most notably Jared, totally disagree with me. And that's okay. But if Jerome hadn't injected his techno-ish leanings to the band's sound back in 1995, I wouldn't be on this list today. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Roger Hartopp Date: Thu Jul 13, 2000 6:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 566 Hi everyone! It's 2010 here in Poland, and Digest number 566 hasn't arrived yet in my in-box - it's already over eight hours late. I suspect that for some reason or other it didn't make it, so could someone possibly e-mail a copy to me at gmroger@y... ? Cheers Roger ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Jul 13, 2000 6:16 pm Subject: RE.D;studio[Dream Mixes] Just love this cd it put TD back on the right course after a dodgy spell,fresh upbeat music just love San Rocco even managed to get it played at my mates 40th party the other night great dance music,only problem being I was the only one dancing. RE.Redshift's Ether cannot get into this at all I wish Mark would go back to producing great powerful melodic music. Cheers Gary. From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Jul 13, 2000 7:10 pm Subject: D:Studio [Tyger] remake edition I just purchased Tyger, the re-make edition. This one is a real pain to find. I ordered one from the net that was supposed to be this one, and it had the same cover, but was the original version. Anyway, I happened across this one at a local used CD shop. Here's my first impressions. Tyger (re-mix) It's really amazing what you can do with digital sound processing. Jocelyn B. Smith's voice has been altered from her usual sultry Alto, to sound more like Debbie Gibson (at 16). In addition the whole song is up a key or two, and just a bit faster. That and the extra percussion give this track a 'pop'-feel that wasn't in the original at all. Now that being said, let me say also that I actually find this version sort of refreshing. The original seems to drag on, with very little change except the lyrics. This one doesn't REALLY change, but with all the digital messing around, the boys managed to get rid of some of the doldrum and make a decent track out of this. Don't get me wrong, I like the original, but (so far) I like this one better. I've listened to it twice through writing this, and I would have been hard-pressed to listen to the original twice in a row. (perhaps because I've heard it SO many times...) I can't say that I could hear either version of this track on repeat for 100 listenings without contemplating suicide, but for the occasional listen, I'd prefer this one. I do wish they'd found a way to do what they did without changing Jocelyn's voice though. I rather like her voice. London (unchanged) I've always liked this track. As I said, I really like Ms. Smith's voice, and here it's quite effective doing the dramatic poetry reading. I always liked good poetry put to music (if it's done well). Digressing for a moment, I'll say that one of the most effective 'poetry to music' songs I've heard (besides this one!) is 'Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner' played by Iron Maiden. I not a huge METAL fan, but there's a section in the middle where the frantic 'death-metal' chords stop. At this point the bass picks up with an incredibly dark-sounding three-note repetition (remindful of a slow sequencer...). The lead guitar plays a haunting melody. Sounds of boards creaking add a nice background. Then the lead singer stage whispers the famous lines from the poem. That has to be the most dramatic poetry reading I've EVER heard. Back to London: I also like how they end the reading of London with a pretty little melody ('Children of a future age...'). The instrumental part here is a rather pretty little fugue played against a nice soft sequence. Very classical sounding. No percussion at all, until the next part of the song starts. This part is an excerpt from 'America' that fits into the poetry so well, that I didn't realize it was a seperate poem until I read the lyrics list. Probably my least favorite part of this track is 'The Fly'. The poetry is good here, but the music is a little too repetitive for my taste. After the little harpsichord reprise of the opening, comes my favorite part of the track: The AWESOME instrumental solo, highlighted by Edgar's superb guitar. This is same incredible trio that produced Underwater Sunlight. In my book, Haslinger/Franke/Froese was an incredible combination! They put out (IMO) better music in their short time together than the last few of the Schmoelling years. If you doubt my word, listen to the incredible version of 'Dolphin Dance' played at the Paris '86 concert, or the 'Song of the Whale' from Underwater Sunlight. This the epitome of e-music, combining elements of rock, jazz, and classical, along with some TD trademark sounds. Alchemy of the Heart (unchanged, except for the beginning seems to be truncated slightly) I love the start of this track (0:00 to 2:55). I wish Techno had this much GROOVE to it. Jerome always seems to be looking for new groove, well I would suggest he look at this one. The funky beat is all here, but Haslinger (?) is playing a minuet to the rythm! What a counterpoint. This part just works on so many levels I can't really describe it. The next section (2:55 - 5:10) I can only describe as the 'Tangerine Dream Breakdown'. It's got all the elements of a great Banjo solo bluegrass song. The only thing missing (thank God!) is the nasal vocals! Around 5:10 it picks up some guitar (or guitar-synth) sound that changes the feel to something orchestral. Afterwards there is a nice slowing-down transition that blends well into the floating chords of the waterfall scene. For the next 5 minutes I am taken to side of a mountain stream. The water crashes over the rocks in front of me, so violent, yet so relaxing. The cries of the hawk overhead echo oddly off the canyon walls. I walk barefoot along the moss-covered banks of the stream. I stop at the top of the waterfall and look out over the world below. I see life all around, moving in slow motion. I take a moment and close my eyes. I can hear the water gurgle in some rocks before it rushes over the edge. At about 10:45, I return to the real world. I take with me only the beautiful piano melody that I remember from my visit with nature. What a GORGEOUS ending to a song. I really miss those Haslinger piano bits... Smile (?) As much as I like the rest of this album, This is probably the best executed piece of music on the disc, blending TD style with Ms. Smith's sultry voice and Blake's mysterious words. This is the second best TD vocal track, nearly tied with 'Loved by the Sun'. I happen to really like Jon Anderson's voice too, and even if TD didn't really sanction his vocals, it still really works well. BTW: I'm not sure about this, but I think this track is sped up just a *TINY* bit from the other CD versions. It could me my imagination. I'd have to listen to the two back-to-back to know for certain. 21st Century Common Man (unchanged) I've gone on too long already, so I'll put these two together. I originally bought Tyger on LP and never knew about the singles with '21 Century Common Man' on them. Imagine my delight when I finally got a CD copy, and, lo and behold, there were two 'bonus' tracks. I nearly wet myself with excitement. I've already mentioned the I think Haslinger/Franke/Froese was an awesome line-up, far too short-lived for my taste, so it was really cool finding 2 totally new tracks from that era. I love Part I. Very energetic exciting music. The ending sounds a bit added on, but it's nice anyway. Part II starts off with a funky bass line that's really cool. The melody is a lot slower than I would have expected after the way the track starts. Still the guitar solo part is really awesome with that bass-line going. It is unfortunately far too short. The staccatto keyboard solo around 3:00 is nice high point as well. Great way to end the track with the fade off and that frenetic staccatto keyboard still going. Vigour (totally new) This really sound like a Melrose left-over. It's got some of Jerome's trademark beat-skips, but other than that, really sounds like something that could easily have been on Melrose. He employs a few voices I haven't heard used since, like the ocarina-style whistle and use of the bass-guitar sound for melody (well-used technique in early 90's Private Music releases, especially Melrose and several Patrick O'Hearn albums). It's a good track. I suspect if it has shown up as a Melrose bonus, you'd have to listen to the original to know that it was a bonus track. It definitely sounds out of place here though. Totally different style, mood, instrumentation, and just about everything else. and they lived happily ever after. The End James From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Thu Jul 13, 2000 7:15 pm Subject: re.D;studio [Dream Mixes] Just A superb CD that put TD back on course after a dodgy spell,great upbeat music just love San Rocco even managed to get this played at my mates 40th party the other night great dance music the only problem being I was the only one dancing Re.Redshift's Ether cannot get into this at all I wish Mark would go back to producing powerful melodic music that he is best at. cheers Gary. ps apologies if this appears twice. From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Thu Jul 13, 2000 10:48 pm Subject: Info request ! Hi all a little help with the following would be appreciated from the list . Tangerine Dream ( Video ) :Past , present , future . Any ideas or feed back ? Tangerine Dream ( Video ) Video Dream mixes , same as above please . And finally I just found the new release of Tangents for £ 9.49 is this right ? Last time I found it , it was over £ 40.00 . Thanks in advance Carl ' The Song Remains the same ' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23269 Re: Info request ! Sean Montgomery Fri 7/14/2000 4 KB 23270 Re: Info request ! Bennett Cookson Fri 7/14/2000 2 KB 23293 Re: Info request ! Phil Wingfield Sun 7/16/2000 2 KB 23298 Re: Info request ! Video Dream Mixes Michael A Jean Sun 7/16/2000 4 KB From: 'Conrad Gibbons' Date: Thu Jul 13, 2000 11:06 pm Subject: mp3 ripper Simon, Hi! Did you happen to get a chance to send me that program yet please? Thanks, Conrad From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri Jul 14, 2000 1:12 am Subject: Sorcerer on DVD Has anyone seen a copy of Sorcerer on DVD with a widescreen option (and full 5:1 sound)? I found one with the standard ratio and Dolby, but couldn't find any other versions. - jim 'I don't think I've seen choreography that stiff since the Lee Harvey Oswald prison transfer...' -- Dennis Miller Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA Email: moxica@m... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23275 Re: Sorcerer on DVD Scribe1964@a... Fri 7/14/2000 2 KB 23276 Re: Sorcerer on DVD Jim Moore Fri 7/14/2000 2 KB 23281 Re: Sorcerer on DVD shoults Fri 7/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Fri Jul 14, 2000 1:13 am Subject: testing 1-2-1000000 Mjello' pergamon@g... http://hjem.get2net.dk/pergamon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jan Aunsholt' Date: Fri Jul 14, 2000 1:28 am Subject: list-problem Hello everyone Is anybody else experiencing problems, recieving mail from the tadreamlist?????? I haven't recieved any mail in 3-4 days. When I went to the onelist website it told me that the mails were bouncing and that I should reset my 'profile', I did so but I still don't recieve any mails. I know that Poul Erik is experiencing the same problem, can anybody help????? Jan From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Jul 14, 2000 1:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Info request ! Carl Kearney wrote: > Tangerine Dream ( Video ) :Past , present , future . Any ideas or feed back For a group whose fanbase has always included a lot of artistic people, it's a shame that TD has never made better videos. Alas, videos are expensive, and require record company financing that TD haven't enjoyed since the 70s. Anyway, the Three Phase (Past Present Future) video is interesting for its footage of their 1992 North American tour. You get to see Linda tossing her hair and Zlatko tapping a beat on his ripped jeans while Edgar and Jerome mime along on their keyboards. The versions on the video are what was actually played live, and thus a bit different from the versions on 220 Volt. There is some cool footage of TD's 1977 North American tour tossed in during Hamlet, cutting from blurry scenes of a very hairy young Edgar to a slightly less hairy older Edgar. Lots of Koyaanisquatsi-esque time lapse footage plays on a screen behind them to add visual interest, and occasionally the producers drop in a crappy video toaster effect. The Logos 88 video played at the end offers footage of a young Jerome walking with Edgar and Chris Franke in Belgium...a great moment for the TD fan. The Dolls in the Shadow video uses leftover footage from the video they made for Melrose (the cover of the album was taken at the shoot), which has great production values but no point...it's just the three guys riding their bikes around in the desert over and over while Linda and some male model gaze off into the sunset. Love on a Real Train is like their promo video for Tiergarten; old black and white footage of Berlin in the 1930s...trains running, people in bars, children playing. Probably the best video on the tape. Personally, I feel a great sadness watching the footage, knowing that world war would descend upon all these people in just a few years. Phaedra 88 is the worst kind of computer graphic cheese. Winamp has plug-ins that create more interesting effects than this. All in all, I'd say that it's worth a look for TD fans, and if you can get it cheap, go ahead and pick it up. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY Animator T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: Bennett Cookson Date: Fri Jul 14, 2000 2:42 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Info request ! > Tangerine Dream ( Video ) :Past , present , future . Any ideas or feed back Great video, Buy it if for nothing else vintage video and Edgar on guitar (with flashbacks to an earlier concert) --Bennett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Jul 14, 2000 2:46 am Subject: D: Antique Dreams In the few years I have been on this list, I have griped, complained, whined, moaned, and overall bitched about Edgar’s refusal to release undoctored ‘classic’ Tangerine Dream tracks, ESPECIALLY ones that we cannot otherwise get on CD. It’s one thing for Tangents and Dream Roots, because most of us already own the original component albums. It was quite another thing for the likes of Sohoman and Soundmill Navigator to present the idea of a classic release, even though in reality they were major surgeries of the original material. Edgar, if you are paying attention (judging from this next CD, I’m wondering if maybe he HAS read this list), THANK YOU! Folks, you know I’m a TD purist, to a fault. I bitch if something has gone under the surgery knife. We’ve had people on the list joke about how out-of-tune and how grossly uncaring some of the Tangentization has seemed to be in past releases. Well, if the first 3 tracks of Antique Dreams represent the rest of the CD (I have not had time to listen to the whole thing), even TD purists better RUN, not walk to the nearest retailer or online store and ORDER this thing!!! First impressions (I left the CD in my car, so I’m using the original tracknames--sorry): Oedipus Tyrannus-– My first exposure to this track, I admit, was on EO. Edgar has given us this track in the cleanest form possible. So how much has he changed? Aside from an abstract antelope scream (you have to hear it to understand), slow stutter-step bassline, and a little on-key stringing, this track is perfect! All of the additions are in tune, and sound vintage to the original 1972 recording. I don’t think there’s anything not to like here except that this is but an excerpt from the entire piece. Ultima Thule pt 1—-Ah yes, I was concerned about what would happen to this wonderful progressive rock track. Well folks, *very little*. It’s crystal clear and you get great separation between all the instruments. The only tangentization I can hear is an electronic guitar-horn type sound which again sounds *vintage* and doesn’t muddle out the rest too much. I don’t think the original needed any more direction, but the new sound further melodicizes the track a bit. Again, the additions don’t hurt anything! This track is shortened a bit for space. Horns of Doom excerpt—-Relatively untouched! Even though we got two versions of this on the Thief soundtrack, and a third version in Horizon (part 4 of the Poland 2CD), this version is was pretty much unreleased and its appearance is appreciated! Stay tuned, I will provide a review of the rest of this CD later tonight. Then, I will tackle Turn of the Tides, Tyranny of Beauty, 220 Volt, and Dream Mixes in one uber-review. Regards, Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23452 D: Antique Dreams colin anderson Tue 8/1/2000 3 KB From: tbleicher@s... Date: Fri Jul 14, 2000 6:37 am Subject: TD interview upcoming Hi everybody, it might be a bit early, but inside the recent issue of German magazine KEYBOARDS there was an announcement that the next issue will contain an interview with 'Tangerine Dream'. It´s supposed to be out somewhen around August. More infos on the mag: http://www.keyboards.de Bye & have a nice day! Thomas From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jul 14, 2000 8:20 am Subject: bouncing mail - list Jan- Egroups mail tries to send mail to your subscribed address, but if it 'bounces', or gets returned a few times, it stops trying. It sounds like this has happened to you, and you are doing the right thing by checking egroups.com to reset your subscription. I'm cc:ing the list in case this info helps anyone else. Quite honestly, I don't know how it works, but if you are sstill having a prblem, let me know and I'll try to find a solution. Joe Here's what I show for a 'bouncing' list at this time: Email Address | Type | Count | Probes | Date Deactivated allan_oneill@y... Soft Bounce 0 11 4/3/00 anjingila@f... Soft Bounce 12 3 7/4/00 cinemafan@a... Soft Bounce 0 11 4/5/00 dmilne@i... Hard Bounce 1 1 6/29/00 elmuzyka@h... Soft Bounce 0 4 3/31/00 gaetanblais@a... 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I found one with the standard ratio > and Dolby, but couldn't find any other versions. > > - jim From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri Jul 14, 2000 12:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer on DVD From: > Sorcerer may not be available in widescreen. The director, William Friedkin, > hates widescreen. Because of that, most of his films are only available in > pan & scan. > --Ric > > Has anyone seen a copy of Sorcerer on DVD with a widescreen > > option (and full 5:1 sound)? I found one with the standard ratio > > and Dolby, but couldn't find any other versions. Gee, I guess he only releases his movies in narrow theaters, then... - jim From: 'Hans de Kruis' Date: Fri Jul 14, 2000 2:03 pm Subject: KLEM cassette Hi guys, Anyone interested? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=382273591 bye, Hans de Kruis Roestuin 30 3343 CV H.I. Ambacht tel. 078-6817951 fax: 020-8708064 e-mail prive: hans.kruis@f... homepage: http://home.wish.net/~hdekruis From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Jul 14, 2000 7:22 pm Subject: D: Antique Dreams (the real review) This replaces my last e-mail as a complete review of Antique Dreams. In the few years I have been on this list, I have griped, complained, whined, moaned, and overall bitched about Edgar’s refusal to release undoctored ‘classic’ Tangerine Dream tracks, ESPECIALLY ones that we cannot otherwise get on CD. It’s one thing for Tangents and Dream Roots, because most of us already own the original component albums. It was quite another thing for the likes of Sohoman and Soundmill Navigator to represent themselves as classic releases, even though in reality they were major surgeries and overdubs of the original material. Edgar, if you are paying attention, THANK YOU! Folks, you know I’m a TD purist, to a fault. I bitch if something has gone under the surgery knife or gotten the faux vocals and cheap strings treatment. We’ve had people on the list joke about how out-of-tune and how grossly uncaring some of the Tangentization has seemed to be in past releases. So what’s the verdict? Antique Dreams is so good, I'd pay $14 for this CD for tracks 1, 2, and 3 alone! Alas, the purists on this list want to know what's on the whole CD, so that’s why this e-mail is so long! Even the liner notes are done well, except for the spelling of Johannes Schmoelling’s last name in one place and some incorrect dates (which may have been changed to get Relativity to buzz off). I don’t have all the fantapes these pieces are polled from, but the ones I do, I compare and enumerate below. When I say vintage below, it means that the sounds are almost identical to sounds used around the same era and could be confused for the originals. If Edgar is going to change things around, we appreciate it so much when he uses vintage sounds. So without further ado, my complete review of Antique Dreams... 01. Oedipus Tyrannus Overture 1974 If you have not heard this, then you don’t know what you are missing! Soundwise, it is halfway between the sounds of Atem and Zeit, and the sounds of Phaedra. My first exposure to this track was EO, which was pulled from an LP. The best part its appearance on this CD? Nothing is stripped away and the added sounds are VINTAGE!!! This track is SO crystal clear compared to the one on EO. There are just a few additions here, a very occasional abstract 'antelope scream', a stutter-step bass, and a bit more melody. Maybe my ears deceive me, but I think some of it has been passed through a reverb filter too. I'm surprised the tape hiss wasn't removed, but once you get past that, this track is just amazing. [5AS] 02. Ultima Thule pt 1 Well, in my last e-mail, I said that this track was untouched. Having played the CD in my home theater system instead of my car’s CD player, I can hear that the introduction is indeed slightly different. Some kind of ghosting effect has been added. It doesn't hurt anything really, it's just different. The meat of this track is untouched, and other than the intro, the only major addition is an on-key, vintage-sounding analogue horn-type sound which just further melodifies the existing song. It doesn't muddy things up much and it's not unwelcome. In short, this track is still heaven! Again, the sound clarity here rivals EO any day. [5AS] 03. Calymba City 1981 Ack! I mislabeled this track in my last e-mail. It has no relationship to Horns of Doom except that it was sometimes played *after* Horns of Doom. Well durnit! I don't have the fantape for this particular show, and the liner notes just say “during the 1981 European tour”, but I can compare to other material I have. It is so unbelievable to get unreleased, virtually untouched stuff from this era. The funny thing is that I just expected this to be an excerpt of the first bit and then that would be it! Then, boom, it jumps into the second passage, which I have been wanting on an original CD *FOREVER*!! This is actually two passages, totalling 10 minutes!!! The two segments are almost identical to: 1. Electrobeats 1998 show 'Live Dresden Hygienemuseum' clip from 4:10-8:40* 2. Outback Voices CDR around the 49 minute mark. Three words: Untouched, Untouched, and Untouched! [5AS] 4. Flock of Bluebirds 1983 (Tatort TV show soundtrack-Flock) Well, we knew there would have to be *some* Tangentization on this CD... This entire track is Tangentizized. The new stuff is totally year 2000 sounds and the original melodies are played about 75% volume underneath. To be honest folks, it sounds like the entire track is from scratch, even what is supposed to be the original, because the sequencing is different from the one on EO. So we have to look at this as a new track, 'inspired' by the original. Fortunately, the Tatort soundtrack is available undoctored. [2.5AS] 5. Speed Dragon 1983 (Tatort TV show soundtrack-Speed) Here we go again, 100% Tangentized. No attempt is made to blend vintage sounds in, so it's a case of the original track at about 75-80% volume with new stuff on top. [2.5AS] 6. Edinburgh Castle 1980 (Sobornost) Enough Tangentization here to make me cringe... as I listen to it now, I wish it would go away! But alas, the faux vocals and strings are here to stay. This track is 8:46 long too... Urgh. This was always played as a dark, almost dismal piece, and now it’s being brightened like a spritz of a Febreze bottle. Bleh! Hang onto your copy of the Newcastle or Bristol UK 1981 show. [2AS] 7. Moorland (Tatort TV show soundtrack-Moorland) This CD is full of surprises!!! After the major Tangentization of the two Tatort tracks above and what happened to Sobornost, my heart was starting to sink. So I was surprised to hear very little doctoring to Moorland. The few changes are all *vintage* and done very well. This beats the heck out of the EO version. The only significant addition is strings at the end, but again they are vintage and ADD to the original. I know a lot of people passively say “the changes aren’t that big a deal” and then the purists scream that ANY change is evil. Well, as a purist, I don’t mind the changes in *this* track. [5AS] 8. Sorcerer and Thief 1981 “Performed by E. Froese, C. Franke, J. Schmoelling at the Mill Valley Film Festival, SF 1981” 1981? Not quite. However, it *is* wonderful to have a mint condition recording of tracks 11 and 12 of the Antarktis concert CDR (recorded in 1987)!!! Sorcerer soundtrack “Betrayal” and then Thief soundtrack “Diamond Diary” as remixed and played live by EF, CF, and Paul Haslinger(?). Virtually untouched from the 1987 concerts! [5AS] Edgar is really making me do my research on these vintage tracks, pulling out SOD, EO, and other CDRs, etc.! 9. Southend Mill (1985 unused LeParc soundtrack piece) I listened to the whole Antique Dreams CD without looking at the tracklist, to see what my reactions would be. So it’s no wonder that I sat listening to this track puzzled! My first guess was that Edgar had indeed invented a track for Antique Dreams. From the liner notes, this is “composed and performed by Edgar Froese at Eastgate Studios Vienna—originally planned to be part of the LeParc production”. So this is one of those “based on the idea for an original track whose original version we will never hear”. Oh well, you can hear the 1985 concepts and the year 2000 concepts on top. It’s amazing the old and new ideas, how they are so drastically different. This would sound at home on LeParc or Oasis. Anyway, it’s nice to have material we’ve never heard before. [3.5AS] 10. Cool breeze of Brighton 1986 Three words to describe this! VERMILLION SANDS, UNTOUCHED!!! There is NOTHING missing, even the wonderful guitar solo by Edgar and bassline are there. Is it possible to give a 6AS? [5AS] 11. Phaedra of Nottingham 1990 If you have heard the version of Phaedra on Tangents, or you have Valentine Wheels (Classic Set, right?) then you have essentially heard this. The decending drum sequence (used heavily on Miracle Mile) has been emphasized. Another surprise! This contains the first 45 seconds of the second Albuquerque track of Livemiles. This can’t be 1990, because it is almost identical to 23:29-28:20 of Spherical Harmonics (1986). [4AS] 12. House of the Rising Sun 1988 New Orleans Ok, a tangentized version of a remixed version of a cover of an original song! Maybe this recording is accurate to the New Orleans concert, but I don’t like the boys choir sounds as much as the one on the EO version. They’re too subdued. I mean, the boys choir was the LEAD of the track before and now it’s a background. Now this tracks sounds like a lot of chiefs and no indians, nothing leading the track. Some melody has been added—it’s vintage but noticable. I guess it’s Edgar’s prerogative to remix things as he sees fit, but as a listener, I like the other version MUCH better. There is some *obvious* Tangentization at the end, cause it trails off 3 seconds after the song fades out. For those who have not heard this track, it is one of the few really “cheery” tracks TD has played, such as Dominion and Cinnamon Road. 2AS (original version 3.5AS) Well, TD has produced the first CD that EVERY diehard Tangerine Dream fan should buy! Edgar still changed a few bits around here and there, and did the usual surgery on a few tracks, but it’s obvious he either ran out of time and *couldn’t* make changes to some tracks, or he has heeded the lists cries for hands-free releasing. Tracks 1,2,3,7,8,10 and 12 did not go under the scalpel and I’m just sitting here--a drooling gibbering mess. I am anxious to hear other people’s responses to Antique Dreams; I know I’m going to play it until my CD player blows up. Yours Overjoyed, Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'nitrochild ' Date: Fri Jul 14, 2000 8:51 pm Subject: long nights short pills MP3 long nights short pills http://212.158.20.148/music/charts/warning.cfm?track=2437 From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Jul 14, 2000 9:08 pm Subject: mill valley film fest benefit was 1986..... >There might have been a mistake (wouldn't have been the first) by ED, because >the track on 'Antique dreams' (Sorcerer/Thief) was *not* played at the Mill >Valley Film Festival in 1981. At least this is what I assume because during the >1980/81 live tours they never played this composition. of course the mill valley film festival music in the movies benefit was in December 1986. And they played several film pieces including stuff from sorcerer, thief, flashpoint and wavelength. Or perhaps they merely showed film clips in the background and played the CDs.... teiwaz ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'shoults' Date: Fri Jul 14, 2000 9:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer on DVD that's really odd. why would he want us to only see a portion of what he made? Do you know why he 'hates' widescreen? joe ----- Original Message ----- From: > Sorcerer may not be available in widescreen. The director, William Friedkin, > hates widescreen. Because of that, most of his films are only available in > pan & scan. From: 'shoults' Date: Fri Jul 14, 2000 9:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D: Live [Antique Dreams] (the real review) well, I don't know if Edgar really 'heeded the lists cries for hands-free releasing', but you've cerainly whetted my appetite with that review. I mean, for it to pass muster with you as it did, it MUST be great! thanks, joe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 3:22 PM Subject: [tadream] D: Antique Dreams (the real review) > This replaces my last e-mail as a complete review of Antique Dreams. > > In the few years I have been on this list, I have griped, complained, > whined, moaned, and overall bitched about Edgar's refusal to release > undoctored 'classic' Tangerine Dream tracks, ESPECIALLY ones that we cannot > otherwise get on CD. It's one thing for Tangents and Dream Roots, because > most of us already own the original component albums. It was quite another > thing for the likes of Sohoman and Soundmill Navigator to represent > themselves as classic releases, even though in reality they were major > surgeries and overdubs of the original material. > > Edgar, if you are paying attention, THANK YOU! > > Folks, you know I'm a TD purist, to a fault. I bitch if something has gone > under the surgery knife or gotten the faux vocals and cheap strings > treatment. We've had people on the list joke about how out-of-tune and how > grossly uncaring some of the Tangentization has seemed to be in past > releases. > > So what's the verdict? > > Antique Dreams is so good, I'd pay $14 for this CD for tracks 1, 2, and 3 > alone! Alas, the purists on this list want to know what's on the whole CD, > so that's why this e-mail is so long! Even the liner notes are done well, > except for the spelling of Johannes Schmoelling's last name in one place and > some incorrect dates (which may have been changed to get Relativity to buzz > off). I don't have all the fantapes these pieces are polled from, but the > ones I do, I compare and enumerate below. When I say vintage below, it means > that the sounds are almost identical to sounds used around the same era and > could be confused for the originals. If Edgar is going to change things > around, we appreciate it so much when he uses vintage sounds. > > So without further ado, my complete review of Antique Dreams... > > > 01. Oedipus Tyrannus Overture 1974 > > If you have not heard this, then you don't know what you are missing! > Soundwise, it is halfway between the sounds of Atem and Zeit, and the sounds > of Phaedra. My first exposure to this track was EO, which was pulled from an > LP. The best part its appearance on this CD? Nothing is stripped away and > the added sounds are VINTAGE!!! This track is SO crystal clear compared to > the one on EO. There are just a few additions here, a very occasional > abstract 'antelope scream', a stutter-step bass, and a bit more melody. > Maybe my ears deceive me, but I think some of it has been passed through a > reverb filter too. I'm surprised the tape hiss wasn't removed, but once you > get past that, this track is just amazing. [5AS] > > 02. Ultima Thule pt 1 > > Well, in my last e-mail, I said that this track was untouched. Having played > the CD in my home theater system instead of my car's CD player, I can hear > that the introduction is indeed slightly different. Some kind of ghosting > effect has been added. It doesn't hurt anything really, it's just different. > The meat of this track is untouched, and other than the intro, the only > major addition is an on-key, vintage-sounding analogue horn-type sound which > just further melodifies the existing song. It doesn't muddy things up much > and it's not unwelcome. In short, this track is still heaven! Again, the > sound clarity here rivals EO any day. [5AS] > > 03. Calymba City 1981 > > Ack! I mislabeled this track in my last e-mail. It has no relationship to > Horns of Doom except that it was sometimes played *after* Horns of Doom. > Well durnit! I don't have the fantape for this particular show, and the > liner notes just say 'during the 1981 European tour', but I can compare to > other material I have. It is so unbelievable to get unreleased, virtually > untouched stuff from this era. > > The funny thing is that I just expected this to be an excerpt of the first > bit and then that would be it! Then, boom, it jumps into the second passage, > which I have been wanting on an original CD *FOREVER*!! This is actually > two passages, totalling 10 minutes!!! > > The two segments are almost identical to: > > 1. Electrobeats 1998 show 'Live Dresden Hygienemuseum' clip > from 4:10-8:40* > 2. Outback Voices CDR around the 49 minute mark. > > Three words: Untouched, Untouched, and Untouched! [5AS] > > 4. Flock of Bluebirds 1983 (Tatort TV show soundtrack-Flock) > > Well, we knew there would have to be *some* Tangentization on this CD... > This entire track is Tangentizized. The new stuff is totally year 2000 > sounds and the original melodies are played about 75% volume underneath. To > be honest folks, it sounds like the entire track is from scratch, even what > is supposed to be the original, because the sequencing is different from the > one on EO. > > So we have to look at this as a new track, 'inspired' by the original. > Fortunately, the Tatort soundtrack is available undoctored. [2.5AS] > > 5. Speed Dragon 1983 (Tatort TV show soundtrack-Speed) > > Here we go again, 100% Tangentized. No attempt is made to blend vintage > sounds in, so it's a case of the original track at about 75-80% volume with > new stuff on top. [2.5AS] > > 6. Edinburgh Castle 1980 (Sobornost) > > Enough Tangentization here to make me cringe... as I listen to it now, I > wish it would go away! But alas, the faux vocals and strings are here to > stay. This track is 8:46 long too... Urgh. This was always played as a dark, > almost dismal piece, and now it's being brightened like a spritz of a > Febreze bottle. Bleh! Hang onto your copy of the Newcastle or Bristol UK > 1981 show. [2AS] > > 7. Moorland (Tatort TV show soundtrack-Moorland) > > This CD is full of surprises!!! After the major Tangentization of the two > Tatort tracks above and what happened to Sobornost, my heart was starting to > sink. So I was surprised to hear very little doctoring to Moorland. The few > changes are all *vintage* and done very well. This beats the heck out of the > EO version. The only significant addition is strings at the end, but again > they are vintage and ADD to the original. I know a lot of people passively > say 'the changes aren't that big a deal' and then the purists scream that > ANY change is evil. Well, as a purist, I don't mind the changes in *this* > track. [5AS] > > 8. Sorcerer and Thief 1981 > > 'Performed by E. Froese, C. Franke, J. Schmoelling at the Mill Valley Film > Festival, SF 1981' > > 1981? Not quite. > > However, it *is* wonderful to have a mint condition recording of tracks 11 > and 12 of the Antarktis concert CDR (recorded in 1987)!!! Sorcerer > soundtrack 'Betrayal' and then Thief soundtrack 'Diamond Diary' as remixed > and played live by EF, CF, and Paul Haslinger(?). Virtually untouched from > the 1987 concerts! [5AS] > > Edgar is really making me do my research on these vintage tracks, pulling > out SOD, EO, and other CDRs, etc.! > > 9. Southend Mill (1985 unused LeParc soundtrack piece) > > I listened to the whole Antique Dreams CD without looking at the tracklist, > to see what my reactions would be. So it's no wonder that I sat listening to > this track puzzled! My first guess was that Edgar had indeed invented a > track for Antique Dreams. > > >From the liner notes, this is 'composed and performed by Edgar Froese at > Eastgate Studios Vienna-originally planned to be part of the LeParc > production'. So this is one of those 'based on the idea for an original > track whose original version we will never hear'. Oh well, you can hear the > 1985 concepts and the year 2000 concepts on top. It's amazing the old and > new ideas, how they are so drastically different. This would sound at home > on LeParc or Oasis. Anyway, it's nice to have material we've never heard > before. [3.5AS] > > 10. Cool breeze of Brighton 1986 > > Three words to describe this! VERMILLION SANDS, UNTOUCHED!!! There is > NOTHING missing, even the wonderful guitar solo by Edgar and bassline are > there. Is it possible to give a 6AS? [5AS] > > 11. Phaedra of Nottingham 1990 > > If you have heard the version of Phaedra on Tangents, or you have Valentine > Wheels (Classic Set, right?) then you have essentially heard this. The > decending drum sequence (used heavily on Miracle Mile) has been emphasized. > Another surprise! This contains the first 45 seconds of the second > Albuquerque track of Livemiles. This can't be 1990, because it is almost > identical to 23:29-28:20 of Spherical Harmonics (1986). [4AS] > > 12. House of the Rising Sun 1988 New Orleans > > Ok, a tangentized version of a remixed version of a cover of an original > song! > > Maybe this recording is accurate to the New Orleans concert, but I don't > like the boys choir sounds as much as the one on the EO version. They're too > subdued. I mean, the boys choir was the LEAD of the track before and now > it's a background. Now this tracks sounds like a lot of chiefs and no > indians, nothing leading the track. > > Some melody has been added-it's vintage but noticable. I guess it's Edgar's > prerogative to remix things as he sees fit, but as a listener, I like the > other version MUCH better. There is some *obvious* Tangentization at the > end, cause it trails off 3 seconds after the song fades out. For those who > have not heard this track, it is one of the few really 'cheery' tracks TD > has played, such as Dominion and Cinnamon Road. 2AS (original version 3.5AS) > > > Well, TD has produced the first CD that EVERY diehard Tangerine Dream fan > should buy! Edgar still changed a few bits around here and there, and did > the usual surgery on a few tracks, but it's obvious he either ran out of > time and *couldn't* make changes to some tracks, or he has heeded the lists > cries for hands-free releasing. Tracks 1,2,3,7,8,10 and 12 did not go under > the scalpel and I'm just sitting here--a drooling gibbering mess. I am > anxious to hear other people's responses to Antique Dreams; I know I'm going > to play it until my CD player blows up. > > Yours Overjoyed, > > Morgan > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Want to find a hot new CD for the weekend? > Come to FirstLook.com and check out what's new in music! > http://click.egroups.com/1/6696/6/_/24785/_/963602538/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Alan Benson' Date: Fri Jul 14, 2000 10:11 pm Subject: Re (x2): D: Antique Dreams (the real review) Morgan on a roll wrote in Tadream #567: > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:22:18 CDT > From: 'Feldon Feldon' > Subject: D: Antique Dreams (the real review) > > This replaces my last e-mail as a > complete review of Antique Dreams. > > In the few years I have been on this list, I have griped, > complained, whined, moaned, and overall bitched about > Edgar's refusal to release undoctored 'classic' Tangerine > Dream tracks, ESPECIALLY ones that we cannot other- > wise get on CD. It's one thing for Tangents and Dream > Roots, because most of us already own the original > component albums. It was quite another thing for the > likes of Sohoman and Soundmill Navigator to represent > themselves as classic releases, even though in reality > they were major surgeries and overdubs of the original > material. > > Edgar, if you are paying attention, THANK YOU! > ...Tracks 1,2,3,7,8,10 and 12 did not go under the > scalpel and I'm just sitting here--a drooling gibbering > mess. I am anxious to hear other people's responses > to Antique Dreams; I know I'm going to play it until my > CD player blows up. > > Yours Overjoyed, > > Morgan _________________________________________ For complete text in full see the last Tadream digest. Great job Morgan, btw! For those of you that know me you know that I simply don't write TD reviews... However, I do express my feelings in many other ways. It has been over three years since I've taken to pen and written an Ode to TD. It was clear upon the very first spin that I just had to say something... This is my modified version (cleaned it up a tad from the TDI guestbook posts of 07/12/00), and it goes something like this: ************************************************************** 'Ode to Antique Dreams' (Ode #4): Tonight's ripe sunset was all deliciously tangerine... Very much in full bloom and quite ready to spring. On this honored TD day we saw and heard an 'antique tangerine' that just fell and blew in our way. Ba - ba - ba - da... Repeat: Ba - ba - ba - da... The soothing pleasurable sounds we so long to process, digest and hear. Each and every band lineup brings us a different and roaring good cheer. With a single, but yet solo Stratocaster Fender guitar. Once we might have said, 'Take those golden keyed strings out of Edgar's hands -- if you please.' Besides, we always came back for more. So, much, much more... Now, Oedipus Tyrannus and Ultima Thule are both clearly unique as they form running variations almost completely cleared of all those Electro Beats. Then, Calymba Caly and Flock of Bluebirds brings back to us many pleasant and fond memories of things past and not quite so bleak. The mighty Speed Dragon -- I always wondered how, what, and why this would be so devilishly tuned and neat. The Edinburgh Castle standing so proud and strong with its massive stone doors already beginning to creak the powerful blast of the upcoming ferocious electronic storms. Naturally, the Moorland moat that completely surrounded us was truly a ~TD classical~ float supreme. And, of course, Sorcerer & Thief -- well, what a pure found treasure and jeweled digital bit stream. We see and hear it and very much want to spin it and quietly set to sublime we all but just scream. On weekends we always go to Southbend Mall just to feel the perfectly soothing ebb and flow... Soon to catch the Cool Breeze of Brighton and proudly say, 'Hey there my old TD buddy M8.' Still yet to follow is the regal & proud Phaedra of Nottingham who clearly knows no earthly, but yet bandwidth bounds. Now, we're all quite ready, willing and able -- as we dip into the forthcoming sunset with its rain bowed spectrum of multi colored crayons. As, the House of the Rising Sun places us once again solidly back to basics for all of us to revel and cherish in TD's never-ending magical and binding spells. Finally, as we now peacefully set to pace and once again set sail upon the seven known seas to begin quietly drifting away. Blissfully content to dwell deep within the sweet dream of dreams of all those precious antique tangerines! ______________________________________________ I simply couldn't be any happier (except for this darn summer head cold & sniffles). ~lol~ Many thanks to Edgar for going easy on the scalpel this time around... ;-) Best Always, -- Al Berkeley, CA PS: Finally got all my Tadream related digest (albeit a few days late). :-) SP (Still Playing): 'Antique Dreams' by TD. ************************************************* [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: tweibre361@a... Date: Fri Jul 14, 2000 11:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] roger waters @ msg, nyc 7/13/00 140 min., DAT master. off list From: 'tom george' Date: Sat Jul 15, 2000 1:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] antique dreams U.S. release delayed? i have been looking since tuesday. Borders and all the others that usually have at least one copy of new TD releases on the day of release, don't have it. so i have it on order at 3 different places. tom -- On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:30:15 tei waz wrote: >Couldn't find Antique Dreams in the shops here today--checked with one major >retailer (borders) and one independent (do re mi) > >Any other U.S. fans have luck or trouble getting Antique Dreams today? > >--teiwaz >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >LOW RATE, NO WAIT! >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates >as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >http://click.egroups.com/1/6629/6/_/24785/_/963347415/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: snowdog747@a... Date: Sat Jul 15, 2000 3:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] antique dreams U.S. release delayed? Amazon still has not shipped my pre-ordered copy. I emailed them Thursday, asking for a status. They responded that it should ship Friday, but I still have no notification. I do know I am getting tired of the inflated shipping charges that Amazon is charging. The service is not as good as it once was. I have gone back to local retailers, especially for books. I should have ordered 'Antique Dreams 'from Groove, I would have had it by now. Ben From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Jul 15, 2000 5:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorcerer on DVD (mostly off-topic) >From: > > > Sorcerer may not be available in widescreen. The director, William >Friedkin, > > hates widescreen. Because of that, most of his films are only available >in > > pan & scan. >From: 'shoults' > >that's really odd. why would he want us to only see a portion of what he >made? Do you know why he 'hates' widescreen? From what I can tell, Sorcerer on DVD is neither Widescreen nor Pan & Scan. I tried to do some research, but because Sorcerer is such a marginal movie (Except for Schneider, and of course the wonderful TD music), most people only treat this movie as a footnote. So I did not find real details anywhere, but judging from Friedkin's production of The Exorcist, I believe Sorcerer was filmed using an OPEN MATTE technique. This is the same technique used for filming Terminator 1 and 2 and Air Force One. To explain... Movie theaters have a wide screen, much wider than your TV set. In fact, some movies are more than twice as wide as they are tall. After all, you have two eyeballs side by side, why not use the most of your field of vision? A TV set is only 33% wider than it is tall. So how do you get a wide movie on an almost square TV set? There are three ways with varying merits and drawbacks: .:[Widescreen/Letterbox]:. Present the movie at its full width without deleting anything. The movie is centered vertically on your TV, and there are black bars above and below the picture. Why? Because there ain't no picture there! It was shot with a wide camera. A lot of people don't like the fact that only half their TV has a picture and there are these big black bars at the top and bottom. Further, some people have small TV sets so detail is lost even more. Further exacerbating the problem is that VHS tapes are bad enough quality without us having to squint to try to see some detail in a widescreen picture squeezed down to fit. The solution of course are specially recorded DVD discs that work on regular TVs, but a couple years from now (or today if you have the money!) when you plunk down a couple thousand on a widescreen TV or HDTV set give you a good, crystal clear widescreen picture! These relatively new 'Anamorphic' or 'Widescreen 16:9 Enhanced' style DVDs will look wonderful on your new home theater setup, but also work on small regular TV sets, but with black bars. Instead of giant black bars, the picture nearly fills your widescreen TV. For more information, http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/welcome.html .:[Pan & Scan]:. (most movies are released this way on VHS, the first DVDs were released this way, and often a movie studio will put an Anamorphic version on the top of the disc and a P&S version on the bottom for 'the average consumer') A technician sits there with a 'narrow' or TV sized camera attached to a robot and he plays the film version of the movie. Then using his TV-sized camera, he re-films the movie. He moves his camera left to right to try to follow the action of the widescreen film. This can look dumb because often the film's director takes full advantage of the whole width. Sure, the Pan&Scan version fills your whole TV screen, but sometimes people's faces are cut off and things are cut off on the left or right or both. .:[Open Matte]:. Ever heard of James Cameron? He's that guy who directed Titanic, Terminator 2, and Air Force One. This guy has got the answer! (well, he thinks so, but hear me out...) Why not produce the movie so it works on both regular TVs and in a widescreen movie theater? A few movie directors including Friedkin produce this way... Here's how it works: two horizontal white lines have been drawn on the little camera viewfinder. What's *inside* those two white lines show what we would see in a movie theater. What's *outside* those two white lines will also be seen on your TV set. This can lead to very interesting problems, such as a microphone or other equipment sticking into the frame and appearing on the TV version of the movie. Two particular examples: In Fierce Creatures, John Cleese is supposed to be standing in the hotel lobby in the nude. This looks fine in the movie theater, but in the TV version, it is obvious in one scene that he is wearing a pair of shorts. In Pee Wee's Big Adventure, when Paul Reubens is pulling the 150+ foot bicycle chain out of the box on his bicycle, the illusion that it's all coming out of the box is maintained in the movie theater version, but on TV, you can see the hole in the bottom of the box where the chain is being fed through. So is this all trivial? Maybe, but if you've seen the pan & scan (chopped) version of Ghostbusters once or twice, you probably got as nauseated and seasick as I did! The Pan & Scan version desparately tries to keep up with widescreen picture, and BOTH cameras end up moving around alot at different speeds. I will almost always choose the widescreen version of most movies. So was there a point? Even though I can't find a website that comes right out and say it, I'm guessing that Sorcerer was shot 'Open Matte', so you actually get more picture on your TV screen than the people who paid $1.50 to see it in the theater or drive-thru in 1977. What's even funnier, widescreen purists STILL prefer the widescreen version of a movie, even if the Director has filmed it to be compatible with both regular TVs and widescreen viewing!! Morgan P.S. Back in the 1900's through 1940's, movies were shot the same size and proportions as TV sets. Citizen Kane and The Wizard of Oz are 'TV-size'. As TV started to become popular, movie studios freaked out and said 'how do we keep people coming to the theater?' so they came up with widescreen (1.85), super-widescreen (2.35), cinerama (3 cameras giving a 360^ picture!!!), smellovision (actual smells were piped into the movie theater to match the movie, or little scratch-n-sniff cards were provided), 3D (red and blue glasses) etc. So it's BECAUSE of TV that widescreen movies exist. Ironic, isn't it? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Jul 15, 2000 5:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] antique dreams U.S. release delayed? >From: 'tom george' > > i have been looking since tuesday. Borders and all the others that >usually have at least one copy of new TD releases on the day of release, >don't have it. so i have it on order at 3 different places. I walked into Soundwaves and bought Antique Dreams yesterday (July 13th). -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23294 Re: antique dreams U.S. release delayed? tom george Sun 7/16/2000 3 KB From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Sat Jul 15, 2000 4:25 pm Subject: Soundtrack news! Greetings all- From the Groove Unlimited e-mail newsletter a buddy of mine just got....... Some TANGERINE DREAM news: On the Silva America label the soundtrack 'Rainbow Drive' is announced for release in September 2000. It contains music from the Froese- Haslinger era. And maybe the soundtrack of 'The Man Inside' will be re-released on Silva Screen. Cool.:) goozer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23291 Re: Soundtrack news! Jim Moore Sat 7/15/2000 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Sat Jul 15, 2000 4:38 pm Subject: The Organization of Sound, new music reviews web-site Since we're somewhat on the subject of member's music witht he Musos Project, this announcement is fitting. I hope this benefits some of you. -Joe Hello All, The Organization of Sound The Organization of Sound is a site that's going to be dedicated to reviewing, philosophizing, analyzing, and eulogizing all forms of music/ organized sound/ sound art. The Organization of Sound is mostly about reviewing and giving props to hard working fringe genre artists and labels. Most of the reviews that we have now are of artists that we know, artists and ensembles that we've been familiar with for a long time. Before the site goes live we want to get some music from other artists that we're not familiar with and post those reviews as well. We're really interested in all things that the mainstream would consider avant-garde, from ambient to free jazz, from electronic music to field recordings, and from 20th century academic music to the latest indie performance ensemble. Below is a list of genres and sub-genres that we're interested in reviewing, but the list won't be definitive. If you don't see your genre e-mail us, or send your music out to us anyway, we'll find something positive to say about your work. The list: Electronic Music, Ambient, Space Music, Free Jazz, experimental, Serial/Dodecaphonic/ twelve-tone, Contemporary composition, contemporary classical composition, deep listening, Instrumental, Vocal, all traditional forms (i.e. Sonata, symphonic, concertos, chamber works), untraditional composition, aleatory, improvised, music for solo instruments, trios, quartets, ensemble performance, live performance, studio recordings, field recordings, academic music, art music, music w/ beats, music w/o beats, atmospheric, musique concrete, noise, sound art, drumming/ percussion music, remixes, DJing, dissonant, consonant, world music, new age w/ an edge, and anything else under the stars that could be considered a thoughtful, provocative and/or interesting musical composition. If it's music, then it's organized sound, and we would love to hear it/ review it. If you're interested in having your stuff reviewed please read on: - Please don't send us any of your music by e-mail, it just clogs up our server. - Reviews and Music On-line. Music that we receive through the mail gets top reviewing priority. Because of slow lines in on our area downloading music is an arduous and time consuming task, therefore we ask that you find a way to get your music on tape, CD/CD-R, or some other medium and mail it out to us, we'll be able to get to it a lot quicker. If you can't find a way to get it to us send us a URL or web site address and we'll eventually get to it. - When sending your music please include some biographical information on you and the music. Give us some background on the compositions, artistic perspectives, anecdotes, and anything else that you think would enable us to see the music from a perspective other than our own. Also please send us an e- mail address, your URL or web site address, any pictures/artwork and anything else that you think is pertinent. If you still have questions please e-mail us- verklartenacht@h..., if not get your music in the mail right away: The Organization of Sound POB 181 New Hudson, MI 48165-0181 USA Thank you, Em and the Organization of Sound http://theorganizationofsound.freeservers.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Jul 15, 2000 4:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Soundtrack news! > From: Hermes Guzman [mailto:goozer@a...] > Some TANGERINE DREAM news: > On the Silva America label the soundtrack 'Rainbow Drive' is announced > for release in September 2000. It contains music from the Froese- > Haslinger era. And maybe the soundtrack of 'The Man Inside' will be Could this be the start of another wave of Silva Soundtracks? (fingers crossed...) - jim From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Sat Jul 15, 2000 6:10 pm Subject: RE: Antique Dreams Thanks TD, I found my copy in the mail last night, after telling my 5 year old boy he could play nitendo on the way home. Brand new TD with great reviews? What to do? Distraction! I got the colored Sharpies out and began customizing a wooden airplane. 'Can I help?'. Sure thing, he was coloring away. I unwrapped the CD, put it into the CD player, and pressed play ... 'Daddy you said I could play Nitendo'. Ouch! How about we make a deal you get to play and Daddy gets to listen to his Music. 'OK' my jaw dropped. Antique Dreams has a great selection of TD styles. I love that feeling of personal sychronicity I get with TD sometimes. Marc (my son) was playing Super Mario 64, I noticed him playing with the flow of the music. Just as House of the Rising sun started Marc said 'Daddy this music goes really good with Super Mario'. Antique Dreams played three times before we crashed for the night. And, no Marc didn't play Nitendo during all three times. We got ready for bed and read 'All I see is part of me' What a dream [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 12:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Info request ! On the subject, TD were filmed on their 1975 european tour and a two hour special was put together. I saw a snatch of it on a series called 'All you need is love', a potted history of rock on the BBC in the late seventies. Does anyone know if you can get this. I went to the BBC for information but all I got was their video catalogue in the post. Phil Subject: [tadream] Info request ! > Hi all a little help with the following would be appreciated from the list . > > Tangerine Dream ( Video ) :Past , present , future . Any ideas or feed back > ? From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 1:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] antique dreams U.S. release delayed? well Morgan....i got mine today. i had ordered it at Borders and at our local 'cool' stores called 'Disc Exchange' on Tuesday; the day of release, and DE called today. so the wait wasn't too long. tom -- On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:10:00 Feldon Feldon wrote: >>From: 'tom george' >> >> i have been looking since tuesday. Borders and all the others that >>usually have at least one copy of new TD releases on the day of release, >>don't have it. so i have it on order at 3 different places. > >I walked into Soundwaves and bought Antique Dreams yesterday (July 13th). > >-Morgan > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Want to find a hot new CD for the weekend? >Come to FirstLook.com and check out what's new in music! >http://click.egroups.com/1/6696/6/_/24785/_/963637799/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'marc todd' Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 1:25 pm Subject: Streethawk, Antique Dreams Hi Everyone, I just stumbled across a tape of the pilot for Streethawk in a rental shop. Since I never seen it before I took it home and just finished watching it. Not surprisingly, much of the music was similar to other soundtracks of this mid 80's era, mostly Firestarter and Wavelenghth. I wonder how TD was able to release the theme on LeParc, but was never able to issue a proper soundtrack. Much of the music was short bits and cues but the opening chase sequence was a pretty good remix of sorts of the LeParc track. As far as Antique Dreams goes, well it's not bad. The hiss on 'Oedipus Tyrannus Overture' should have been removed if possible. The second part of 'Calymba Clay' seems shorter then the version on Ratikon, plus there are some sounds from this version that is missing from the one on Antique Dreams. Of course some tracks are tangentized (did anyone really expect there not to be?) but as mentioned previously it's not as bad as before. I cannot however see the point behind this release. TD has stated further 'Hollywood Years' releases in the future so why not include 'Flock', 'Speed' and the others on such a release? Also except for tracks 1,2, and 9, the rest is all live excerpts. Why not just release the entire concert? Remember when TD issued singles and bonus tracks on cd's with the message that some of these tracks may appear on future TD releases? I just wish TD would release concerts in their entirety and forget about taking excerpts here and there and making a album out of it. I also see that Silva Screen is looking to release the soundtrack to Rainbow Drive. Lets keep our fingers crossed that it won't be another Dead Solid Perfect. Cheers, Marc ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23299 Re: Rainbow Drive Michael A Jean Sun 7/16/2000 2 KB 23300 Re: Streethawk, Antique Dreams Feldon Feldon Sun 7/16/2000 4 KB From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 9:28 am Subject: Discussion Week 44 - Sunday 16th July 2000 This week it's the turn of the soundtrack 'Zoning'. Please make your subject read 'D:Soundtrack [Zoning]' when posting comments or reviews. Both the officially released version, and the actual unreleased version from the film are on topic. Regards, Lawry lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Armin Theissen Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 9:57 am Subject: ToB >but Tyranny of Beauty was worse...it was just plain boring..apart from >Catwalk, but even then, it's charms were relatively slight. Through IMHO you're not fair towards ToB given the beautiful 'Little Blond...', the original thinking in 'Stratosfear 95' (or 94, whatever), and the genius piece 'Catwalk' which really fits to what it describes without being a cliche. To me some of the best tracks in TD history. armin From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 3:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Info request ! Video Dream Mixes VIDEO DREAM mixes is just what it says...A video release of DREAM MIXES...It was available n Laserdisc and VHS, however it appears to be Edgars own video / photography of landscapes, band mebers, personal videos etc.... The description on the box says 'The musical world of TAngerine Dream is in principle a surreal reality. Those who find such descriptions paaradoxes are confronted with TDs strange and bizarre landscapes of sounds and muscial visions......The very force of TDs music finds it visionary ounterpoint in all the pictures, animation, anachronistic and futuristic images of this video. EDgar FRoese's intention while shooting and compiling this video was to communicate a production of musical dreams and picturresque viusion to the TD audience and not simply add another collection of industrially manufactured commercials clips to the market.....' MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Kearney [mailto:Carljk@b...] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:48 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Info request ! > > > Hi all a little help with the following would be appreciated from > the list . > > Tangerine Dream ( Video ) :Past , present , future . Any ideas or > feed back > ? > Tangerine Dream ( Video ) Video Dream mixes , same as above please . > And finally I just found the new release of Tangents for £ 9.49 is this > right ? Last time I found it , it was over £ 40.00 . > > Thanks in advance Carl > > > ' The Song Remains the same ' > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Want to be the first to know? > Be the first to see sneak peeks of new music, movies and games! > http://click.egroups.com/1/6693/6/_/24785/_/963531172/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 3:30 pm Subject: RE: Rainbow Drive Rainbow Drive is a lovely soundtrack...I am surprised that SILVA could get the rights before TDI (which I would think would be preferable)..In either case I think it is something to look forward too. Please keep us up to date... MJ > I also see that Silva Screen is looking to release the soundtrack > to Rainbow > Drive. Lets keep our fingers crossed that it won't be another Dead Solid > Perfect. > Cheers, > Marc > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ---- > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 4:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Streethawk, Antique Dreams If you look at Antique Dreams, I think it's a reaction to Electronic Orgy. Many of the tracks are in common. As for tracks 3,8 and 10, I know they are not complete concerts, but they do give us some of the best unreleased stuff from these concerts. Here's to hoping that the 22 minutes after 'Logos Preview' and 'Sobornost' and before 'Bondy Parade' on Newcastle and Bristol UK 1981 are released as a clump and UNTOUCHED. Better yet, include Sobornost (but don't Tangentize it like Antique Dreams), and include Bondy Parade (but don't Tangentize it like Sohoman). One can dream... -Morgan >From: 'marc todd' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Streethawk, Antique Dreams >Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 06:25:00 GMT > >Hi Everyone, >I just stumbled across a tape of the pilot for Streethawk in a rental shop. >Since I never seen it before I took it home and just finished watching it. >Not surprisingly, much of the music was similar to other soundtracks of >this >mid 80's era, mostly Firestarter and Wavelenghth. I wonder how TD was able >to release the theme on LeParc, but was never able to issue a proper >soundtrack. Much of the music was short bits and cues but the opening chase >sequence was a pretty good remix of sorts of the LeParc track. >As far as Antique Dreams goes, well it's not bad. The hiss on 'Oedipus >Tyrannus Overture' should have been removed if possible. The second part of >'Calymba Clay' seems shorter then the version on Ratikon, plus there are >some sounds from this version that is missing from the one on Antique >Dreams. Of course some tracks are tangentized (did anyone really expect >there not to be?) but as mentioned previously it's not as bad as before. I >cannot however see the point behind this release. >TD has stated further 'Hollywood Years' releases in the future so why not >include 'Flock', 'Speed' and the others on such a release? Also except for >tracks 1,2, and 9, the rest is all live excerpts. Why not just release the >entire concert? Remember when TD issued singles and bonus tracks on cd's >with the message that some of these tracks may appear on future TD >releases? >I just wish TD would release concerts in their entirety and forget about >taking excerpts here and there and making a album out of it. >I also see that Silva Screen is looking to release the soundtrack to >Rainbow >Drive. Lets keep our fingers crossed that it won't be another Dead Solid >Perfect. >Cheers, >Marc >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 4:40 pm Subject: D:Soundtrack [Zoning] Just a quick review... This is, of course, the soundtrack 'inspired' by the soundtrack for the movie Zoning, which won't be released in original form. It's labelel 'Zoning Original Soundtrack', and it is indeed VERY original! haha. Anyways, the title and closing themes (tracks 1 and 13 I believe) are credited to Edgar and Jerome Froese and these are the strong tracks on the CD. I don't remember any of the other tracks. >From: 'Lawry Simm' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: 'Tadream Mailing List' >Subject: [tadream] Discussion Week 44 - Sunday 16th July 2000 >Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:28:09 +0100 > >This week it's the turn of the soundtrack 'Zoning'. Please make your >subject read 'D:Soundtrack [Zoning]' when posting comments or reviews. > >Both the officially released version, and the actual unreleased >version from the film are on topic. > >Regards, >Lawry > >lawry.simm@f... >ICQ # 23267226 >Instant Messenger - lawrysimm > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 6:36 pm Subject: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet TDI have just added two sounclips from this on first listening seems quite promising. Cheers Gary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23303 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Gabe Yedid Sun 7/16/2000 2 KB 23304 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Marcel Engels Sun 7/16/2000 2 KB 23306 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Gabe Yedid Sun 7/16/2000 4 KB 23308 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Marcel Engels Sun 7/16/2000 3 KB 23311 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Gabe Yedid Sun 7/16/2000 5 KB 23312 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Marcel Engels Sun 7/16/2000 4 KB 23305 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Greg Sun 7/16/2000 2 KB 23307 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Gabe Yedid Sun 7/16/2000 3 KB 23309 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Admin. Sun 7/16/2000 4 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 6:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Gary Jenkins wrote: > TDI have just added two sounclips from this on first listening seems > quite promising. > Cheers Gary I'm listening to these clips now. The first one seems rather like a more New Agey version of Quinoa, but with more twinkly, brighter sounds, and no drums...none anywhere I can hear. This second one is most interesting...led by a Mellotron-flute much like those that can be heard all over mid-70s TD and Froese solo work. Definitely not a _Zeit 2_ from the looks of it. This could be the album where TD rediscovers real melody. Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23304 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Marcel Engels Sun 7/16/2000 2 KB 23306 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Gabe Yedid Sun 7/16/2000 4 KB 23308 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Marcel Engels Sun 7/16/2000 3 KB 23311 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Gabe Yedid Sun 7/16/2000 5 KB 23312 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Marcel Engels Sun 7/16/2000 4 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 7:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet > From: Gabe Yedid [mailto:gabe@p...] > > Definitely not a _Zeit 2_ from the looks of it. This could be the album > where TD rediscovers real melody. Wow that sounds intersting... So TD lost their melodies lately :-) With almost every new TD album people 'wonder' or 'ask' themselves: is this the turning point? will it be different? And every time we (or at least me) are disappointed. Even with the new old releases. So I think no: TD will not rediscover real melody at least not the same as it was before. Could be a good thing, but in my ears it's still a bad one. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Email :mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23306 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Gabe Yedid Sun 7/16/2000 4 KB 23308 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Marcel Engels Sun 7/16/2000 3 KB 23311 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Gabe Yedid Sun 7/16/2000 5 KB 23312 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Marcel Engels Sun 7/16/2000 4 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 8:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet > Definitely not a _Zeit 2_ from the looks of it. This could be the album > where TD rediscovers real melody. > > Gabe IMO they did on Great Wall of China. But I'll explain later and a good example would be 'The South Gate of Knights' with just a hint of majestic melody used through the track. Very wonderful but also very much like some of their past work. Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23307 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Gabe Yedid Sun 7/16/2000 3 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 8:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Marcel Engels wrote: > > From: Gabe Yedid [mailto:gabe@p...] > > > > Definitely not a _Zeit 2_ from the looks of it. This could be the album > > where TD rediscovers real melody. > > Wow that sounds intersting... > So TD lost their melodies lately :-) No, I wouldn't say that they 'lost' them entirely, but I would venture that, since the first Dream Mixes, TD has concentrated very much on rhythm-driven music, and melody has taken a bit of a back seat. Where it does occur, it tends to be in very short snippets, punctuated by longer sequencer and drum-driven passages, or the melodies tend to be rather simple, circular and undeveloped, with long-held notes. There's not very much at all like 'Tierra del Fuego' or 'Magic Lantern' fron _BtS_, which are almost like songs crying out for lyrics, and feature much better developed, actually hummable melodies. > With almost every new TD album people 'wonder' or 'ask' themselves: > is this the turning point? will it be different? > And every time we (or at least me) are disappointed. Even with the > new old releases. So I think no: TD will not rediscover real melody > at least not the same as it was before. Um, did you listen to the samples at all Marcel? I was quite fooled by the opening of the second excerpt--it was as if Edgar had chosen to weave in a bit of an unreleased 75-77 concert as part of the piece--like what would have happened if Soundmill Navigator had been re-recorded from scratch, using a mixture of modern and vintage instruments. I don't expect the actual instrumentation and arrangements on _7 Letters_ to be very different from the past few TD releases, but what I am expecting, based on the sound clips, is *vastly less* emphasis (maybe even none at all) on sequencing and percussion. Which leaves droning chords and abstract use of various timbres, or one can add some spice to such proceedings by creating a tune to carry it all. > Could be a good thing, but > in my ears it's still a bad one. I really hate to say this, but I think that is one of the most incredibly narrow-minded statements about TD's music I've *ever* heard! So, the ONLY way they'll ever make melodies to impress you is something that sounds like a verbatim quote from ? > Marcel Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23308 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Marcel Engels Sun 7/16/2000 3 KB 23311 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Gabe Yedid Sun 7/16/2000 5 KB 23312 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Marcel Engels Sun 7/16/2000 4 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 9:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Greg wrote: > IMO they did on Great Wall of China. But I'll explain later and a good > example > would be 'The South Gate of Knights' with just a hint of majestic melody > used > through the track. Very wonderful but also very much like some of their past > work. > Greg H. I would actually use that as an example to support my case. The melody, such as it is, is there in the background, weaving in and out, but never becoming really prominent. It's not a 'lead' melody like the pieces cited in my previous e-mail, or the semi-improv flute lines from 'Astral Voyager' (which I think was the 'model' for 'South Gate Knights'). With very few exceptions, it's been some time since TD's music featured real lead melodies like that, and hopefully _7 Letters_ will see them reintroduce them--not that I don't expect it to be a 'slow' album, but it certainly seems that it will feature more musical progression and development than the initial statements about it led some of us to believe. Not a _Zeit_, and not Eno-esque either. Gabe From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 9:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet > From: Gabe Yedid [mailto:gabe@p...] > > Um, did you listen to the samples at all Marcel? No, didn't know there were samples but I will listen to it in a few minutes. Nice to see Edgar pasting new sounds on older releases and older bits on newer releases... > > Could be a good thing, but > > in my ears it's still a bad one. > > I really hate to say this, but I think that is one of the most incredibly > narrow-minded statements about TD's music I've *ever* heard! Haha...well what I wanted to say was that most (not all) of the music lately don't have anything adventurous in it anymore it is 100% composed...there is nothing for the imagination. (imo). And with 7 letters maybe the adventurious bit may come back. Thats more or less what I meant with it...sorry but my english is not that good, but it's still better then your dutch I guess. :-) (just joking, don't take it too seriously...as I don't take much things too seriously). > So, the ONLY way they'll ever make melodies to impress you is something > that sounds like a verbatim quote from album here>? Does for instance LiveMiles or Tyger count as vintage TD too? Because I like those albums very much. I'm not particularly interesting in the melodies but more in the idea of 'whats going to happen next in that track'. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Email :mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23311 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Gabe Yedid Sun 7/16/2000 5 KB 23312 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Marcel Engels Sun 7/16/2000 4 KB From: 'Admin.' Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 9:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet where are the samples? -----Original Message----- From: Marcel Engels To: tadream@egroups.com Date: Sunday, July 16, 2000 2:33 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet >> From: Gabe Yedid [mailto:gabe@p...] >> >> Um, did you listen to the samples at all Marcel? > >No, didn't know there were samples but I will listen >to it in a few minutes. >Nice to see Edgar pasting new sounds on older releases >and older bits on newer releases... > >> > Could be a good thing, but >> > in my ears it's still a bad one. >> >> I really hate to say this, but I think that is one of the most incredibly >> narrow-minded statements about TD's music I've *ever* heard! > >Haha...well what I wanted to say was that most (not all) of the >music lately don't have anything adventurous in it anymore it is >100% composed...there is nothing for the imagination. (imo). >And with 7 letters maybe the adventurious bit may come back. >Thats more or less what I meant with it...sorry but my english >is not that good, but it's still better then your dutch I guess. :-) >(just joking, don't take it too seriously...as I don't take much >things too seriously). > >> So, the ONLY way they'll ever make melodies to impress you is something >> that sounds like a verbatim quote from > album here>? > >Does for instance LiveMiles or Tyger count as vintage TD too? Because >I like those albums very much. >I'm not particularly interesting in the melodies but more in the idea >of 'whats going to happen next in that track'. > >Marcel >Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels >Email :mengels@w... > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Want to know what movie to rent tonight? >Come to FirstLook.com and preview the newest video and DVD releases! >http://click.egroups.com/1/6695/6/_/24785/_/963783220/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23310 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Gabe Yedid Sun 7/16/2000 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 9:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Admin. wrote: > where are the samples? www.tdi-music-mall.de Gabe From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 10:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Marcel Engels wrote: > > From: Gabe Yedid [mailto:gabe@p...] > > > > Um, did you listen to the samples at all Marcel? > > No, didn't know there were samples but I will listen > to it in a few minutes. > Nice to see Edgar pasting new sounds on older releases > and older bits on newer releases... > > > > Could be a good thing, but > > > in my ears it's still a bad one. > > > > I really hate to say this, but I think that is one of the most incredibly > > narrow-minded statements about TD's music I've *ever* heard! > > Haha...well what I wanted to say was that most (not all) of the > music lately don't have anything adventurous in it anymore it is > 100% composed...there is nothing for the imagination. (imo). I've been holding back from saying this for some time, but I've just throughly lost patience with the neo-70s-EM movement for exactly that same reason. It's actually quite painful for me to say that here, since I know that's a statement that encompasses quite a few people on this group. Once you've heard enough of it you realize that classic Berlin-style EM works according to its own particular rules and logic. You learn to recognize when a particular kind of 'event'--say, the beginning of a long Rubyconesque sequencer-driven passage--is going to occur, and even HOW it's going to progress, and what kinds of timbres are going to be featured. THAT is the major reason why I haven't invested nearly as heavily as some others in the glut of recent EM releases, because it's really all just minor variations on a theme (whether it has a 70s or 80s flavour is immaterial). Occasionally something novel and personal breaks through, but all too often it falls back on what have become well-worn musical cliches pioneered by the likes of TD, Schulze, and others from the ol' stable well over 20 years ago now. People can say whatever they like about why TD's current music no longer suits them, but they should also be well aware that those same arguments can be applied just as well to what has become by now an over-explored, conservative, and quite hackneyed style. All IMO of course. > > So, the ONLY way they'll ever make melodies to impress you is something > > that sounds like a verbatim quote from > album here>? > > Does for instance LiveMiles or Tyger count as vintage TD too? Because > I like those albums very much. I guess what constitutes 'vintage' is in the eye (or ear, in this case) of the beholder. As far as I am concerned, _Melrose_ is as vintage to me as _Logos_ is to some other people. But TD can never have it both ways, it seems--anytime it sounds even a bit like their last album it's 'boring and predictable', and whenever they introduce something derived from older styles it's dismissed as a retread. Hearing this distinctly '70s style element in _7 Letters_ (the 'Tron flute sample) makes me a little suspicious actually, with this release coming after a concert from that era (Soundmill) and the album having to compete in a market where such musical ideas are the norm. > I'm not particularly interesting in the melodies but more in the idea > of 'whats going to happen next in that track'. Right, which is precisely the reason I'm so disenchanted with the state of 'progressive' EM right now. Because it's not progressing. It's very RETROgressive and eminently predictable, and the sooner most of its practitioners realize that, the better it will be for the genre as a whole. > Marcel Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23312 Re: Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet Marcel Engels Sun 7/16/2000 4 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Jul 16, 2000 10:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re.Seven Letters from Tibbet > From: Gabe Yedid [mailto:gabe@p...] > > I've been holding back from saying this for some time, but I've just > throughly lost patience with the neo-70s-EM movement for exactly that > same reason. It's actually quite painful for me to say that here, since I > know that's a statement that encompasses quite a few people on this group. > > Once you've heard enough of it you realize that classic Berlin-style EM > works according to its own particular rules and logic. You learn to > recognize when a particular kind of 'event'--say, the beginning of a long > Rubyconesque sequencer-driven passage--is going to occur, and even HOW > it's going to progress, and what kinds of timbres are going to be > featured. Thats the same for me with the newer material. I've just heard the new samples and I must say I'm impressed. This might be an album I may buy. > well aware that those same arguments can be applied just as well to what > has become by now an over-explored, conservative, and quite hackneyed > style. For you it may be over-explored. And it's not particularly Berlin stuff I like, it's just that feeling of 'whats going to happen next' which I couldn't find anymore. But that may change now having heard the samples. I'm open for anything and everything, even a new release by TD. :-) > Hearing this distinctly '70s > style element in _7 Letters_ (the 'Tron flute sample) makes me a little > suspicious actually, with this release coming after a concert from that > era (Soundmill) and the album having to compete in a market where such > musical ideas are the norm. It's not the tron flute...it sounds vaguely like one but it isn't. Not that it should be. > Right, which is precisely the reason I'm so disenchanted with the state of > 'progressive' EM right now. Because it's not progressing. It's very > RETROgressive and eminently predictable, and the sooner most of its > practitioners realize that, the better it will be for the genre as a > whole. Well, should it progress? I guess it should, but having fun with the things they are now is good too isn't it? I personally think there are some good retro progressive things made. You always take things from the past with you and try to make your own things out of it... So, who is actually progressive these days? Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Email :mengels@w... From: 'martin behnke' Date: Mon Jul 17, 2000 1:15 pm Subject: Ruby in the Sky I found this track and would like to know where and when it is from. It sounds like something from about the Rubycon time period and is live about 55 minutes long. Thanks for the help Jay Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23314 Re: Ruby in the Sky Heiko Heerssen Mon 7/17/2000 2 KB 23315 Re: Ruby in the Sky Heiko Heerssen Mon 7/17/2000 2 KB 23344 Re: Ruby in the Sky Joe Shoults Fri 7/21/2000 2 KB 23347 Re: Ruby in the Sky Vic Rek Fri 7/21/2000 2 KB 23363 Re: Ruby in the Sky Phil Wingfield Tue 7/25/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jul 17, 2000 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ruby in the Sky martin behnke wrote: > I found this track and would like to know where and when it is from. > It sounds like something from about the Rubycon time period and is > live about 55 minutes long. oops. It's from their live performance at the London Royal Albert Hall from 02.04.1975. It was broadcasted on BBC radio 3 (in 1989?), the whole concert had a length of about 115 minutes. Heiko From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Jul 17, 2000 1:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ruby in the Sky Heiko Heerssen wrote: > oops. > It's from their live performance at the London Royal Albert Hall from > 02.04.1975. It was broadcasted on BBC radio 3 (in 1989?), the whole concert > had a length of about 115 minutes. errr...I forgot to mention that this is a bootleg cdr! Heiko From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Jul 17, 2000 3:46 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] long nights short pills Have we been spammed again? Paul ---------- >De : 'nitrochild ' >À : tadream@egroups.com >Objet : [tadream] long nights short pills >Date : Ven 14 juil 2000 22:51 > > MP3 long nights short pills > > http://212.158.20.148/music/charts/warning.cfm?track=2437 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Click here to win tickets to the concert of your choice! > http://click.egroups.com/1/6694/6/_/24785/_/963607928/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23317 Re: Re : [tadream] long nights short pills Joe Shoults Mon 7/17/2000 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Jul 17, 2000 9:03 pm Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] long nights short pills not exactly. I guess s/he is asking us to listen to their music. I downloaded the file and listened to it; it's OK. nitro, it would help if you gave some explanation, rather than just a link. Joe > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re : [tadream] long nights short pills > Have we been spammed again? > Paul > > ---------- > >De : 'nitrochild ' > > MP3 long nights short pills > > http://212.158.20.148/music/charts/warning.cfm?track=2437 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: aoutland@a... Date: Tue Jul 18, 2000 1:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Streethawk In a message dated 07/16/2000 2:25:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marctodd@h... writes: << I just stumbled across a tape of the pilot for Streethawk in a rental shop. >> Speaking of Streethawk, a friend of mine sent me a web site dedicated totally to this short lived series. They are just as fanatic about it (mostly because of the motor cycle) as we are of the music. Check it out: http://street.hawk.homepage.com Enjoy! 8-) Dell From: Larry E Smith Date: Tue Jul 18, 2000 3:04 am Subject: Book of Dreams Can anyone tell me if the material on Book of Dreams has been re-recorded and if so, is it an improvement? I'm especially interested in the early material on BoD. Thanks, Larry ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23323 Re: Book of Dreams Joe Shoults Tue 7/18/2000 2 KB 23325 Re: Book of Dreams aoutland@a... Wed 7/19/2000 2 KB From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Tue Jul 18, 2000 10:25 am Subject: Kamikaze 1989 Hello all. I'm selling my CD copy of EF's 'Kamikaze 1989' online at Yahoo Auctions. It's quite a hard one to find (I know I had trouble finding it) and is in pristine condition. Only problem is - the auction's only open to those in the UK. To take a look - go to http://uk.auctions.yahoo.com/booth/symphonie_uk Thanks Simon. ============== Simon Slator Website: http://pages.zoom.co.uk/simon.slator Download my own music at: http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23321 Re: Kamikaze 1989 Heiko Heerssen Tue 7/18/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Jul 18, 2000 11:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Kamikaze 1989 Simon Slator wrote: > Hello all. > > I'm selling my CD copy of EF's 'Kamikaze 1989' online at Yahoo Auctions. > It's quite a hard one to find (I know I had trouble finding it) and is in > pristine condition. Only problem is - the auction's only open to those in > the UK. BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! First you beat Germany in the Euro 2000 cup and now this. Heiko Rainy Hamburg, Germany From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Tue Jul 18, 2000 11:23 am Subject: Kamakaze CD In reference to the Kamikaze CD I am selling - I've now changed the auction so I can accept international orders. ============== Simon Slator Website: http://pages.zoom.co.uk/simon.slator Download my own music at: http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Jul 18, 2000 4:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Book of Dreams not re-recorded, but remastered, with new sounds mixed in and over some parts. > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry E Smith [mailto:thesmitter@j...] > Can anyone tell me if the material on Book of Dreams has been > re-recorded > and if so, is it an improvement? I'm especially interested in > the early [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Tue Jul 18, 2000 9:05 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Kamikaze 1989 That figures ! :o) Always anywhere than Denmark ! Feck ;o) Poul >Simon wrote< Only problem is - the auction's only open to those in the UK. > Simon. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23326 Re: Sv: [tadream] Kamikaze 1989 Jan Aunsholt Wed 7/19/2000 2 KB From: aoutland@a... Date: Wed Jul 19, 2000 12:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Book of Dreams In a message dated 07/17/2000 11:06:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thesmitter@j... writes: << Can anyone tell me if the material on Book of Dreams has been re-recorded >> If you mean 'tangentized', yes, it has. The most dramatic changes are on the earlier recordings like Birth of Liquid Pleiades or Fauni Gena and IMO make the music palatable. 'Book' fleshes out the ambient, spacey atonal sounds with near melody that gives them something your ears can cling to. Hearing these renditions is the reason I began to buy the earlier original works because since they sounded that good on 'Book', I wanted to be able to understand where they came from. I still don't play the earlier renditions that much, but sometimes they fill a quiet need. I recommend this double album highly. 8-) Dell From: 'Jan Aunsholt' Date: Wed Jul 19, 2000 2:38 pm Subject: Re: Sv: [tadream] Kamikaze 1989 NEEEH NE NE NEEEH NE.... who cares, I got it already hehe sorry Poul Erik, I just couldn't resist taunting you =) so watch out or I will taunt you again you Danish KKKKKKKKnighit --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Poul Erik' wrote: > That figures ! :o) Always anywhere than Denmark ! Feck ;o) > > Poul > >Simon wrote< > Only problem is - the auction's only open to those in the UK. > > Simon. From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Wed Jul 19, 2000 3:24 pm Subject: Also for sale - original 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale' LP I'm also selling my original LP of 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale' (V2040) - gatefold sleeve (with photo of 5-year old Jerome Froese) and original green label. British copy, excellent condition. ... and I will ship internationally too!! To go straight there - go to http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/33527683 Thanks Simon. ============== Simon Slator Website: http://pages.zoom.co.uk/simon.slator Download my own music at: http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Wed Jul 19, 2000 3:36 pm Subject: Sv: Sv: [tadream] Kamikaze 1989 Why I never ! Watch out, I might have to cancel your vacation due to lack of employees :o) There's lots of work to do, and whilst working we could listen to Kamikaze 1989. Ok, praleri er OK. Jeg ved jo hvem jeg skal låne den af for at høre den :o) Poul > NEEEH NE NE NEEEH NE.... who cares, I got it already > > hehe sorry Poul Erik, I just couldn't resist taunting you =) > so watch out or I will taunt you again you Danish KKKKKKKKnighit > > That figures ! :o) Always anywhere than Denmark ! Feck ;o) > > > > Poul > > >Simon wrote< > > Only problem is - the auction's only open to those in the UK. From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Jul 19, 2000 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams You know, last week, I said that track 8 of Antique Dreams is tracks 11 and 12 of Antarktis. Apparantly, my files are improperly named. I think that's a different concert. Anyway, track 8 of Antique Dreams is in fact a flawless recording of track 4 of Antarktis. Morgan n.p. What else? Antique Dreams ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Jul 19, 2000 8:39 pm Subject: RE: Antique Dreams review Actually tracks 11 and 12 on Antarktis are from November 6, 1990 in Bristol. The lineup would be Froese/Froese/Haslinger I believe. > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Feldon Feldon' > Subject: D: Antique Dreams (the real review) > > 8. Sorcerer and Thief 1981 > > 'Performed by E. Froese, C. Franke, J. Schmoelling at the > Mill Valley Film > Festival, SF 1981' > > 1981? Not quite. > > However, it *is* wonderful to have a mint condition recording > of tracks 11 > and 12 of the Antarktis concert CDR (recorded in 1987)!!! Sorcerer > soundtrack 'Betrayal' and then Thief soundtrack 'Diamond > Diary' as remixed > and played live by EF, CF, and Paul Haslinger(?). Virtually > untouched from > the 1987 concerts! [5AS] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23390 Antique Dreams review Hermes Guzman Thu 7/27/2000 13 KB From: aoutland@a... Date: Thu Jul 20, 2000 12:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams Just felt like writing a little poem, nothing fancy: Retro now is all the rage, Take us to another age, So the band its sound redeems, Gives us back our Antique Dreams. I hope this album satisfies a lot of people who have been crying for earlier concerts. Let's hope the trend continues. I love it. 8-) Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23333 Re: Antique Dreams Radu Velicescu Thu 7/20/2000 3 KB 23336 Re: Antique Dreams Marcel Engels Thu 7/20/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Jul 20, 2000 7:08 am Subject: Heiko is on vacation (off-topic...LOL) Hi Gang, I will be on vacation and won't be back until August 15th. Don't cry, dry your tears...life goes on without me ;-))) Regards, Heiko From: Radu Velicescu Date: Thu Jul 20, 2000 2:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams > Just felt like writing a little poem, nothing fancy: > > Retro now is all the rage, > Take us to another age, > So the band its sound redeems, > Gives us back our Antique Dreams. > > I hope this album satisfies a lot of people who have been crying for > earlier concerts. Let's hope the trend continues. I love it. 8-) Dell Very nice poem, it also seems everyone is all happy over this CD. But, does anyone remember what years this release was SUPPOSED to contain? It was 1970-1982. It became 1971-1990, with more than half the stuff from 1983 to 1990. Only 2 pieces from concerts from the Virgin years and nothing from 1975/76/77/78. That was the REAL Antique Dreams, not stuff from 1988 and 1990. Plus Phaedra and Sorcerer & Thief are previously released, maybe not from the same concerts but still. Anyway, I'm sure I'm going to hear it for this, and I'm way in the minority, but this album is WAY overrated. Give me an untouched concert from the Virgin years (especially the '70s) and that'll be a real Antique Dream. Radu (awaiting harsh responses to this...) np - Frankfurt 1971 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23336 Re: Antique Dreams Marcel Engels Thu 7/20/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Jul 20, 2000 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams As a fan of Antique Dreams, I agree with you. We're getting but crumbs of the German Chocolate Cake. A small slice has been served. And 'Antique Dreams' was the wrong name for it. I guess I am overjoyed just to get ANYTHING unreleased and unsurgeried from <1986. Morgan >From: Radu Velicescu >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:41:04 -0500 (CDT) > > > Just felt like writing a little poem, nothing fancy: > > > > Retro now is all the rage, > > Take us to another age, > > So the band its sound redeems, > > Gives us back our Antique Dreams. > > > > I hope this album satisfies a lot of people who have been crying for > > earlier concerts. Let's hope the trend continues. I love it. 8-) Dell > > >Very nice poem, it also seems everyone is all happy over this CD. But, >does anyone remember what years this release was SUPPOSED to contain? It >was 1970-1982. It became 1971-1990, with more than half the stuff from >1983 to 1990. Only 2 pieces from concerts from the Virgin years and >nothing from 1975/76/77/78. That was the REAL Antique Dreams, not stuff >from 1988 and 1990. Plus Phaedra and Sorcerer & Thief are previously >released, maybe not from the same concerts but still. > >Anyway, I'm sure I'm going to hear it for this, and I'm way in the >minority, but this album is WAY overrated. Give me an untouched concert >from the Virgin years (especially the '70s) and that'll be a real Antique >Dream. > >Radu >(awaiting harsh responses to this...) > >np - Frankfurt 1971 > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Jul 20, 2000 4:17 pm Subject: Silva Soundtrack release of 'Rainbow Drive' Thanks for the info Goozer! It is absolutely awesome that Silva keeps finding these old soundtracks and getting them released. Now if they'd just talk a deal with Universal for 'Street Hawk' I'd be in HEAVEN! --------------original message----------------- From: 'Hermes Guzman' Subject: Soundtrack news! Greetings all- From the Groove Unlimited e-mail newsletter a buddy of mine just got....... Some TANGERINE DREAM news: On the Silva America label the soundtrack 'Rainbow Drive' is announced for release in September 2000. It contains music from the Froese- Haslinger era. And maybe the soundtrack of 'The Man Inside' will be re-released on Silva Screen. Cool.:) From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Jul 20, 2000 5:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Antique Dreams > From: Radu Velicescu [mailto:romanianvoice@r...] > > Anyway, I'm sure I'm going to hear it for this, and I'm way in the > minority, but this album is WAY overrated. Give me an untouched concert > from the Virgin years (especially the '70s) and that'll be a real Antique > Dream. > > Radu > (awaiting harsh responses to this...) How about this? My thoughts exactly... Are they ashamed of their older material? Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Email :mengels@w... From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu Jul 20, 2000 5:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams From: 'Radu Velicescu' > Anyway, I'm sure I'm going to hear it for this, and I'm way in the > minority, but this album is WAY overrated. Give me an untouched concert > from the Virgin years (especially the '70s) and that'll be a real Antique > Dream. My only gripes is that there were more 'exciting' pieces they could have chosen. 'Speed', 'Calymba Caly', and 'EC' are a very redundant songs -- they really don't do very much (which makes me appreciate the Tangentization). In fact, the portion of the concert played right before 'Calymba Caly' (or whatever) is a more varied mix of 'Speed' with some chord ascents and such. Same thing for the piece that occurs right after 'Edinburg Castle' in the 1981 concert set. List members who have EO and other misc. recordings know what I'm talking about. I would have liked to hear more of the unreleased pieces from the 1986 and 1988 (I LOVE the end to the first set!) concert series (heck, I'd like an entire concert...) Jerome teased us with some of this stuff back on the Electrobeats show year before last, so he knows we want it. - jim From: Sean Montgomery Date: Thu Jul 20, 2000 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams Radu Velicescu wrote: > Very nice poem, it also seems everyone is all happy over this CD. But, > does anyone remember what years this release was SUPPOSED to contain? It > was 1970-1982. Yeah, that's true, isn't it? And I suppose there are numerous reasons why that might have happened. - the band doesn't like their own earlier material. :-) - the source tapes would take too long to bring the sound quality up to par with the newer stuff. Also, Antique Dreams was never promoted as a collection of all-live material...but as a collection of rare songs...and most of TD's singles, 12'ers and the like came out in the 80s. AND...concert material from the 70s was often long and meandering, which doesn't lend itself well to being chopped up for compilations. If they'd done that, fans would have complained about that too! Hopefully, we'll see more complete concerts in the future, but in unadulterated form, like Calymba Caly, rather than Sohoman or Soundmill Navigator. > Anyway, I'm sure I'm going to hear it for this, and I'm way in the > minority, but this album is WAY overrated. Well, I got my copy this morning, and as I listen to it now, I'd have to say that from what I'm hearing so far, it is NOT overrated. Many of us have been asking for truly rare tracks from the vaults, without obtrusive Tangentizing. And they've finally started doing that here. I think it's great. And by singing its praises and encouraging others to buy it too, perhaps TDI will be compelled to give us more of the same. Yeah, for most of the fans it offers nothing new (apart from the so-so 'Southend Mall' track), but the sound quality of what is here is great. My only disappointment so far is that Calymba Caly has had its first few minutes trimmed off, presumably because that passage is similar to 'Speed'. The overdubbing that I'm hearing (when it does occur) doesn't bother me so far. On Moorland, it actually works. The original piece, while nice, always felt a bit boring to me, and the new strings add some nice sonic complexity without feeling tacked on. The additions to House of the Rising Sun (never one of my favourites by the band) are decent too...it sounds like a slightly different performance of the song rather than a Frankenstein's monster of old and newer sounds. I've frequently complained about TDI on the list, so it's only fair that I give praise in the case of this album. All in all, I'd say that it's the real deal. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Thu Jul 20, 2000 6:54 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Silva Soundtrack release of 'Rainbow Drive' Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeees, absolutely fantastic ! Poul > Some TANGERINE DREAM news: > On the Silva America label the soundtrack 'Rainbow Drive' is announced > for release in September 2000. It contains music from the Froese- > Haslinger era. From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Fri Jul 21, 2000 2:13 pm Subject: Chris Franke B5 soundtracks To all UK Tang Fans... MVC have included many of Chris Franke's Babylon 5 soundtracks in their sale for just £3.99. I raided their collection this afternoon, picking up 'A Late Delivery From Avalon', 'Whatever Happened to Mr. Garibaldi', 'Objects at Rest' and 'War Without End (Part 2)' - but there were more than just those. Regards, Simon Slator. ============== Simon Slator Website: http://pages.zoom.co.uk/simon.slator Download my own music at: http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Glynn Naughton Date: Fri Jul 21, 2000 3:46 pm Subject: Pink Gin on the South Bank Hello there, Amid all the talk about _Antique Dreams_, the new Ashra live album, _Gin Rose at the Royal Festival Hall_ has slipped by unnoticed. This CD is of course a recording of the Klaus-Schulze-In-All-But-Name concert that took place under the Ashra banner at the Festival Hall in April. It's a terrific recording, and so far as I can tell from memory, a note-for-note verbatim account of a fine concert with no tinkering of any description. Musically, it's pretty much a standard piece of Klaus-o-phonics, so those who like that kind of thing should definitely give it a listen. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23342 Re: Pink Gin on the South Bank Craig Chambers Fri 7/21/2000 2 KB 23352 Re: Pink Gin on the South Bank Glynn Naughton Sun 7/23/2000 3 KB 23343 Re: Pink Gin on the South Bank Joe Shoults Fri 7/21/2000 2 KB 23345 Re: Pink Gin on the South Bank Kees Fri 7/21/2000 2 KB 23346 Re: Pink Gin on the South Bank Vince LeGrand Fri 7/21/2000 3 KB 23350 Re: Pink Gin on the South Bank Airwave Sun 7/23/2000 2 KB 23354 Re: Pink Gin on the South Bank Craig Chambers Sun 7/23/2000 2 KB From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Fri Jul 21, 2000 5:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Pink Gin on the South Bank *********************** Glynn wrote: the new Ashra live album, _Gin Rose at the Royal Festival Hall_ ... a terrific recording, and so far as I can tell from memory, a note-for-note verbatim account of a fine concert with no tinkering of any description. *********************** Is it the complete performance? If so, was the entire concert able to fit within 80 minutes (assuming 1 CD)? If not, does anyone have available the rest of the show? Also, since I am one of those who can become fondly attached to most of KS's music, and all of MG's music, is this in the vein of 'In Blue'? Which is one of KS's top 3 in my book...how are MG's guitar heroics? Lots of questions...thanks for answers! Craig Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23352 Re: Pink Gin on the South Bank Glynn Naughton Sun 7/23/2000 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jul 21, 2000 5:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Pink Gin on the South Bank Thanks for the heads up, Glynn do you have a link where people may obtain it? Kees, do you have it? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Glynn Naughton [mailto:glynnn@o...] ... > Amid all the talk about _Antique Dreams_, the new Ashra live > album, _Gin > Rose at the Royal Festival Hall_ has slipped by unnoticed. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23345 Re: Pink Gin on the South Bank Kees Fri 7/21/2000 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Jul 21, 2000 5:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Ruby in the Sky Is 'Ruby in the Sky' a different name for what is otherwise referred to as 'Phadream', RAH '75? Are these the same boot? At only 55 min, is Ruby just an excerpt? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] ... > > It's from their live performance at the London Royal Albert > Hall from > > 02.04.1975. It was broadcasted on BBC radio 3 (in 1989?), > the whole concert > > had a length of about 115 minutes. > > errr...I forgot to mention that this is a bootleg cdr! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Kees Date: Fri Jul 21, 2000 8:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Pink Gin on the South Bank At 13:29 21-7-00 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks for the heads up, Glynn >do you have a link where people may obtain it? Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl and for seeing the cover + tracklisting: http://www.groove.us/cd/1/11658.html http://www.groove.us/cd/7/74456.html All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Fri Jul 21, 2000 9:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Pink Gin on the South Bank The CD is also available from Eurock. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shoults To: 'tadream@egroups.com' Date: Friday, July 21, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Pink Gin on the South Bank >Thanks for the heads up, Glynn >do you have a link where people may obtain it? > >Kees, do you have it? > >Joe > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Glynn Naughton [mailto:glynnn@o...] >... >> Amid all the talk about _Antique Dreams_, the new Ashra live >> album, _Gin >> Rose at the Royal Festival Hall_ has slipped by unnoticed. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is divine. >We'll show you how at www.supersig.com. >http://click.egroups.com/1/6811/6/_/24785/_/964199935/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Vic Rek Date: Fri Jul 21, 2000 10:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ruby in the Sky Joe Shoults wrote: > > Is 'Ruby in the Sky' a different name for what is otherwise referred to as > 'Phadream', RAH '75? Are these the same boot? At only 55 min, is Ruby just > an excerpt? Ruby in the Sky is a re-mastered 2 CD-R re-release of the infamous (and very high quality) boots of Coefficients of Aural Expansion 1 & 2. I think that only about 20 original 'Ruby' CD-Rs were released. Part 1 is a pressed CD bootleg and the other is a CD-R (referring to CoAE). This release were also released under the title 'Concentrical Progression'. Some of the cuts from this concert appeared on the Phaedream CD bootleg and it must have been by now released in many CD-R forms. Virtual Files 75-03 comes to mind and it too has yet been remastered one more time. Hope this helps (to confuse you more ;-) Vic From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Jul 22, 2000 3:46 pm Subject: [tadream] Streethawk Hi all, I've just done something really stupid, so I'm telling you all about it in case you fall into the same trap! A version of the TV theme tune to Streethawk was released on a compilation album by Silva Screen called 'American Television's Greatest Hits', TVPMCD 804, but this is a cover version, played by an orchestra conducted by Daniel Caine. From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Jul 22, 2000 7:39 pm Subject: Okefenokee CD-R is ready Today I received the Okefenokee CD-R from Marcel Engels from Holland. Real cool electronic Swamp Music that was recorded at the swamp during our yearly TD celebration. It contains 4 tracks of electronic swamp music: 1. Cottage #3 13:41 2. Ibis Flight 11:23 3. Billy's Island 15:33 4. A Night at the Museum 32:05 Contact me off the list if you would like a copy. Those that have already contacted me, you can send payment and I'll be sending you a reminder. The cost is $12 which includes 1st class shipping. Vic From: Airwave Date: Sun Jul 23, 2000 11:41 am Subject: RE: Pink Gin on the South Bank Joe wrote : > do you have a link where people may obtain it? Support Mario Schönwälder and Klaus Schulze directly by ordering from www.manikin.de Mario is dead reliable when it comes to supplying Cd to costumers. I highly recommend ordering from him. AirWave. From: Airwave Date: Sun Jul 23, 2000 11:44 am Subject: Friendship To all Klaus Schulze and Manuel Göttsching fans. Do yourself a favor and get the new Ash Ra Temple CD Friendship along with the Gin Rose Live CD. The CD Friendship is brilliant. 3 long tracks. Typical KS synth noodling and Manuel playing long guitar solos. Also available on www.manikin.de (demos can be downloaded from both) AirWave. From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Sun Jul 23, 2000 2:30 pm Subject: Re: Pink Gin on the South Bank Hello there, --- In tadream@egroups.com, Joe Shoults wrote: > Thanks for the heads up, Glynn > do you have a link where people may obtain it? > I got mine from CD Compact Disc Services in Dundee, which I've found to be quick and reliable and which I always use for these kinds of CDs. See http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/andygee/cds.htm --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Craig Chambers' wrote: > > Is it the complete performance? If so, was the entire concert >able to fit > within 80 minutes (assuming 1 CD)? If not, does anyone have available the > rest of the show? > > Also, since I am one of those who can become fondly attached to most of KS's > music, and all of MG's music, is this in the vein of 'In Blue'? Which is > one of KS's top 3 in my book...how are MG's guitar heroics? > > Lots of questions...thanks for answers! > > Craig It's one CD, and I'm fairly certain that it's the complete concert. It seems to be exactly as I remember it. The concert was on the short side, I suppose because they were on last as part of a festival. As for MG's guitar - well, during the thrash at the end of the second track (the CD indexes both tracks as one, for some reason) you could be forgiven for thinking that he's calling up the ghost of circa-1977 Edgar Froese... Glynn From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Jul 23, 2000 3:58 pm Subject: Music page update ! Hi all, I have updated my Music page at http://www.caby.de/Music What's new ? - loads of new entries in the TD live and rarities sections, among them Aylesbury 1975, Mainz 1976 and completed Duesseldorf and Brighton 1976. - many more entries in 'Remarks and Corrections' about falsely labeled tapes and CDRs. A collector's essential! - updated swaplist, more TD rarities than you've ever seen offered in one place. And, please take a look at my wantlist. MOST WANTED: Mars Polaris mislabled CD (the one with M.P. and GWOC excerpts). - updated TD related links page, the Keen Auricle page is now linked from there - last, not least: a new 'TD related Rarity of the Month' in MP3-format. Welcome in ! cheers, klaus From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Sun Jul 23, 2000 4:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Pink Gin on the South Bank As for MG's guitar - well, during the thrash at the end of the second track (the CD indexes both tracks as one, for some reason) you could be forgiven for thinking that he's calling up the ghost of circa-1977 Edgar Froese... Glynn ************************* Thanks for the info Glynn...I am salivating already! From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jul 23, 2000 8:19 pm Subject: Klaus Beschorner page I know this list is primarily for officially released TD, but I wanted to ask... I keep seeing this Fassbinder Memorial concert from 1984. Is this at all like Poland? or some new material? I'm just curious. Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Mon Jul 24, 2000 8:12 am Subject: Discussion Week 45 - Sunday 23rd July 2000 Next up is one of my personal favourites from recent years, Goblins Club. Please make your subject read 'D:Studio [Goblins Club]' when posting comments and reviews. Samples can be found at http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/goblin1.ram http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/goblin2.ram Regards, Lawry lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Eberly DE (Daniel)' Date: Mon Jul 24, 2000 1:10 pm Subject: new member (sort of) Hi everyone, I am a new member to the tadream egroups e-mail list but several years ago I was on a tadream list hosted at a university (something like cws.edu). I have been a fan of TD since about 1980. The first TD music I heard was Stratosfear (title track) played at the end of a college radio program. I really like that ending theme and called the radio station (WFMU, at the time Uppsala College's (New Jersey, USA) free-form radio station) and found out that it was TD's Stratosfear. I bought the album and have been collecting both vinyl and CD's (and fan tapes) ever since. Due to busy schedules my interest in TD has waned over the past few years, but I still very much enjoy their music. I did see TD in concert once (Optical Race tour at Radio City Music Hall in NY). Great concert... really neat to see TD live! Most favorite album: tough one... probably Stratosfear, but Force Majeure is up there as well as Logos and a lot of other ones in that time frame. Least favorite album: Probably Electronic Meditation. Looking forward to getting back into the swing of TD info view this list! --Dan Eberly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23358 Re: new member (sort of) Feldon Feldon Mon 7/24/2000 3 KB 23364 Re: new member (sort of) Phil Wingfield Tue 7/25/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Jul 24, 2000 1:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] new member (sort of) >From: 'Eberly DE (Daniel)' > >I am a new member to the tadream egroups e-mail list but several years ago >I >was on a tadream list hosted at a university (something like cws.edu). Welcome back, Daniel! This is the continuation of that list. Virtually the same membership of that list is now here. >I have been a fan of TD since about 1980. The first TD music I heard was >Stratosfear (title track) played at the end of a college radio program. I >really like that ending theme and called the radio station (WFMU, at the >time Uppsala College's (New Jersey, USA) free-form radio station) and found >out that it was TD's Stratosfear. I bought the album and have been >collecting both vinyl and CD's (and fan tapes) ever since. Due to busy >schedules my interest in TD has waned over the past few years, but I still >very much enjoy their music. Just a little update. Some 'classic concerts' have been released by TD in the last year. Soundmill Navigator is of a 1976 concert. However, it is so heavily modernized and overdubbed, I don't recommend it. Sohoman 1982 is similarly modernized and 'Tangentized'. However, a new album has just been released, Antique Dreams. If you have been looking for some classic material in its original form, this is a good CD to get. My favorite pieces from this are two 1974 tracks, two 1980 tracks, a 1983 track, and one 1986 track. There are also some modernized tracks on here, but I just skip over them. Enjoy! Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Jul 24, 2000 2:48 pm Subject: Fassbinder concert Morgan, IIRC: The first part of the concert was like a Logos excerpt and the last part was like a Poland excerpt (or maybe the other way round). I've got a tape of it somewhere, but it's been a while since I've heard it. James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23361 Re: Fassbinder concert Gabe Yedid Mon 7/24/2000 2 KB 23362 Re: Fassbinder concert Sean Montgomery Mon 7/24/2000 2 KB 23396 Fassbinder concert Owens, James Thu 7/27/2000 2 KB 23399 Re: Fassbinder concert Feldon Feldon Thu 7/27/2000 2 KB From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Mon Jul 24, 2000 3:50 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] new member (sort of) Hi Daniel Welcome to the list :o) Enjoy :o) Poul > Hi everyone, > > I am a new member to the tadream egroups e-mail list but several years ago I > was on a tadream list hosted at a university (something like cws.edu). > > I have been a fan of TD since about 1980. The first TD music I heard was > Stratosfear (title track) played at the end of a college radio program. I > really like that ending theme and called the radio station (WFMU, at the > time Uppsala College's (New Jersey, USA) free-form radio station) and found > out that it was TD's Stratosfear. I bought the album and have been > collecting both vinyl and CD's (and fan tapes) ever since. Due to busy > schedules my interest in TD has waned over the past few years, but I still > very much enjoy their music. > > I did see TD in concert once (Optical Race tour at Radio City Music Hall in > NY). Great concert... really neat to see TD live! > > Most favorite album: tough one... probably Stratosfear, but Force Majeure is > up there as well as Logos and a lot of other ones in that time frame. > > Least favorite album: Probably Electronic Meditation. > > Looking forward to getting back into the swing of TD info view this list! > > --Dan Eberly > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get great brand name shoes with just the click of a mouse. Check out > the huge selection at Zappos.com, the Web's Most Popular Store! > http://click.egroups.com/1/6994/6/_/24785/_/964444198/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: Gabe Yedid Date: Mon Jul 24, 2000 6:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fassbinder concert On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Owens, James wrote: > Morgan, > > IIRC: The first part of the concert was like a Logos excerpt and the last > part was like a Poland excerpt (or maybe the other way round). > I've got a tape of it somewhere, but it's been a while since I've heard it. > > James It also included at least one excerpt from the _Kamikaze 1989_ soundtrack--the track 'Flying Kamikaze' I think. Gabe From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Jul 24, 2000 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fassbinder concert Gabe Yedid wrote: > It also included at least one excerpt from the _Kamikaze 1989_ soundtrack--the > track 'Flying Kamikaze' I think. > That would have made sense, since Kamakaze 1989 was one of Fassbinder's last film roles, if not *the* last. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Tue Jul 25, 2000 10:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ruby in the Sky I have a single CD just titled The Coefficient of Aural Expansion, does anyone know where I can get hold of the whole thing? Ruby in the Sky is a re-mastered 2 CD-R re-release of the infamous (and > very high quality) boots of Coefficients of Aural Expansion 1 & 2 From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Tue Jul 25, 2000 10:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] new member (sort of) Hi there Phil Wingfield here, new mamber and professional lurker. I've been a big fan since hearing 'Mysterious Semblance.....' on the John Peel show in 1976. First saw them on the Cyclone tour at the Hammersmith Odeon in London. Gotta say that I am not a great fan of the 90's TD. I am firmly stuck in the 70's and 80's. I liked the long improvised live sets and the last time I went along to see them, sometime in the early ninties, it was like listening to a bunch of connected album tracks. Anyhow, I am enjoying being on the list and reading all you postings. I may have to pop down to my local MVC and give something new a try. Phil. From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Jul 25, 2000 11:35 am Subject: D:Studio [Goblins Club] hello all... so here's my take on this album... i bought it after not having bought a TD album for a couple of years... i'd been traveling all over the world with no money and so living off everything from before LotB... then in a fell swoop i picked up this and DM 1... and was really suprised... TotT and ToB had not impressed me much... 1. Towards the Evening Star - I still think this is the best version of this song they've done... i would describe it as very tight and a good blend of Jerome and Edgar... 2. At Darwin's Motel - Cool horns at the beginning... the middle-eastern singing is a cool addition, though i think this song could have used less of the Jerome drum influnce... the sequence gives it enough go... still a strong piece and a good follow up to Towards... 3. On Crane's Passage - My least favorite track on the CD... okay, but not very memorable to me... 4. Rising Haul in Silence - My favorite track on GC... i love the choices they made for voices of the bass sequence and drums... and that transition section at 4:16 is great! (the part with the harp)... how the drums come back in the really well done... the guitar work fits perfectly... two thumbs up... 5. United Goblin's Club - I think this tune registers somewhere on the cheese scale, esp. the opening and that percussion (tambourines? sure sounds it... can you imagine, Tambourine Dream... shudder...), but i, for one, like cheese and the double guitar sounds in this piece makes it worthwhile... it is about this point in the album that i remind myself that i should play this more often than i do... i'm never disappointed... 6. Lamb with Radar Eyes - This is just an okay tune... the first minute or so is the best part of the song... it goes on a little long, but makes a good transition into Elf June... the section that begins at 5:11 is also cool... kind of like a TV show theme... 7. Elf June and the Midnight Patrol - when this album first came out, this was my favorite tune, but it hasn't aged well... thumbs up to linda for getting credit... =) the vienna choir sounds are cool, though they sound like any other choir samples... 9. Sad Merlin's Sunday - Very cool ending to the whole album... i like the guitar opening... hmmm, after listening to the album, i realize that the intros are usually the best part of the song... still, this is a cool tune... it also gets kudos for bringing in the sequencer _long_ before we are given the drums... in my book, these days, that's usually worth something... =) so all in all, IMO, probably the best _studio_ album between Melrose and MP... cheers j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23366 Re: D:Studio [Goblins Club] James E. Jacoby Tue 7/25/2000 4 KB 23367 Re: D:Studio [Goblins Club] Jim Moore Tue 7/25/2000 2 KB 23368 Re: TDI US-distribution / news TDI - Martin K. Tue 7/25/2000 3 KB 23369 Re: D:Studio [Goblins Club] Feldon Feldon Tue 7/25/2000 3 KB From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Tue Jul 25, 2000 2:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Goblins Club] Hi all... I've been lurking here for a month or so and figured it was time I spoke up. I've been a TD fan for almost 10 yrs now. My first intro was 'Optical Race' quickly followed by 'Underwater Sunlight' and 'Melrose,' and since then there's been no turning back. I thought I loved all those 80s albums until I bought the Tangents boxset and heard my first bit of the Virgin years, and it was like a revelation. After TotT was released I began to be increasingly disappointed with what I was hearing. It seemed like there'd be a key track or two on a release (like Rockoon or ToB) but the rest filler, and I was bummin'. Until 'Goblin's Club' came out. GC is probably my favorite TD of the 90s, in fact. It seemed like they were revisiting certain techniques I liked from the past while incorporating new approaches and sounds. The melodies are strong, the rhythms catchy, the theme strong. I recently finally heard the second Dream Mixes, and even though I really enjoyed the mix of 'Towards the Evening Star' (is that the title? I don't have the track list in front of me right now), but I still think the original is superior. In fact, it may rank as one of my top 20 TD songs altogether. Now here's where I got a little lost... I wasn't really in the TD fan loop at the time GC came out. It seemed like a couple of years passed by before anything new was released, until I noticed by chance the titles 'Architecture in Motion' and 'Transsiberia' listed in my store's computer (I work at a music store). And now, having gotten onto the mailing list and looking over the website, I see there's been lots of stuff released in the last couple of years. How did I miss all of this? I gather that after GC was released TD finally got their act together and decided to release their material without the aid of another record company. What's the history of TDI? Are they going out of their way not to shop their goods at major music companies, or is it the small-minded corporate buyers that are responsible for the TD draught I encountered? Is North America just not on TDI's priority list? Anyhow, 'Goblin's Club' ? 8 (out of 10) James (of the many questions) From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Jul 25, 2000 2:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Goblins Club] From: 'James E. Jacoby' I gather that after GC was released TD finally got > their act together and decided to release their material without the aid of > another record company. What's the history of TDI? Are they going out of their > way not to shop their goods at major music companies, or is it the small-minded > corporate buyers that are responsible for the TD draught I encountered? Is North > America just not on TDI's priority list? Actually, I think _Goblin's Club_ was the *last* non-TDI release. Last I heard, Castle (and their American distibutors) had the rights to that one. I think TDI has a dedicated US distributor, now. I remember their moniker on the _Mars Polaris_ posters... - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23368 Re: TDI US-distribution / news TDI - Martin K. Tue 7/25/2000 3 KB From: 'TDI - Martin K.' Date: Tue Jul 25, 2000 2:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI US-distribution / news Are they going out of >their >> way not to shop their goods at major music companies, or is it the >small-minded >> corporate buyers that are responsible for the TD draught I encountered? >Is North >> America just not on TDI's priority list? >I think TDI has a dedicated US distributor, now. I remember their moniker >on the _Mars >Polaris_ posters... > >- jim Thanks for stepping in here, Jim. We´re distributed in the USA by DNA (Distribution North America, a division of Valley Media). Actually, the USA are very high on our priority list and our CD´s should be available at the major stores. Btw, some news for you all: The Seven Letters from Tibet - release date September 1st, 2000. EFA CD 63029 Tangerine Dream - The Seven Letters from Tibet TDI MUSIC´s newest release, 'The Seven Letters from Tibet' is probably one of the most 'private' CD- productions in the long history of Tangerine Dream. Recorded outside of their regular film- and studio- album- work, this album reveals one of the more intimate sides of the band: a very inspired composition in seven parts that does not contain a single drumbeat or sequencer- rhythm. Anyone seeking something out of the ordinary in music will be impressed by the relaxed power of this CD. Emotional coolness at its best. NEWSFLASH! We´ll be hosting a very special dance- club- event (no live gig - a DJ- event) on October 28th at the Kalkscheune, Berlin. It will feature lots of interesting stuff for TD- fans. Check the TDI- Site in the a few weeks for details. I´ll leave you with this appetizer for the moment. (sorry for the 'official spam', Joe ;-)) Best regards, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Jul 25, 2000 3:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Goblins Club] >From: 'James E. Jacoby' > > >Now here's where I got a little lost... I wasn't really in the TD fan loop >at the >time GC came out. It seemed like a couple of years passed by before >anything new >was released, until I noticed by chance the titles 'Architecture in Motion' >and >'Transsiberia' listed in my store's computer (I work at a music store). >And now, >having gotten onto the mailing list and looking over the website, I see >there's >been lots of stuff released in the last couple of years. >How did I miss all of this? I gather that after GC was released TD finally >got >their act together and decided to release their material without the aid of >another record company. 'Getting their act together' meant going from having at least SOME level of distribution to almost NO distribution. Anything later than Dream Mixes I and the Book of Dreams 2 CD is very hard to find. You have to go to specialty shops or buy online. I'm sure retailers also see Tangerine Dream on the order list and ignore it, as most of their recent output is New Agey. So probably both retailers and TDI to blame. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: tweibre361@a... Date: Tue Jul 25, 2000 3:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 578 In a message dated 7/25/00 05:27:48 Eastern Daylight Time, tadream@egroups.com writes: << I really like that ending theme and called the radio station (WFMU, at the time Uppsala College's (New Jersey, USA) free-form radio station) >> best radio station in the usa... I did see TD in concert once (Optical Race tour at Radio City Music Hall in NY). Great concert... really neat to see TD live! available for ur listening pleasure... tom w np: roger waters @ msg, nyc 7/13/00 (yowzaa) From: Joel Mullen Date: Tue Jul 25, 2000 4:39 pm Subject: Joel Mullen Hello- A number of people have been wondering where I have been these last few weeks, and I hate to use the list as a means of replying, but due to a lack of time I need to. A few weeks ago my father-in-law had a stroke and was in ICU. We spent all our days and nights there and despite the hospitals best efforts he never regained conciousness and my wife and brother-in-law had the tough decision to remove life support. Then there were funeral arrangements and proceedings that needed to be taken care of. (it was yesterday) The result is an even more back-logged TD list. I will do better than my best to get it resolved in a timely manner. Regards, Joel From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Jul 25, 2000 5:22 pm Subject: TDI North American Distribution Feldon Feldon wrote: > 'Getting their act together' meant going from having at least SOME level of > distribution to almost NO distribution. Anything later than Dream Mixes I > and the Book of Dreams 2 CD is very hard to find. You have to go to > specialty shops or buy online. I have to agree with you on this one. Here in Toronto, few shops stock recent TD albums (Dream Sequence being an exception, because it's distributed by Virgin). And when I do see new TDI, like Sohoman, Valentine Wheels or Mars Polaris, they cost at least $30 Canadian ($20 U.S.), which is nearly twice as much as regular new releases here. So I end up ordering online. > I'm sure retailers also see Tangerine Dream on the order list and ignore it, > as most of their recent output is New Agey. Perhaps. But I often see their albums filed in the 'electronica' section now. I think there are other problems. Since the record stores here are selling the albums for 30 dollars or more, that suggests that their book price is high too, and the stores don't want to have a lot of expensive albums lying around unsold, so they only order a few copies or none at all. Also, TDI has been releasing a LOT of material over the past three years, and how is a store to know which albums will sell well? The new albums all arrive with glowing press releases from the record label, but not much information (about such basic things as track origins, in the case of Hollywood Years and Antique Dreams). They all become on undifferentiated mass of music. They can keep touting their Grammy nominations, but that was from a time when they were in their 'new age' phase (and Miramar was promoting them as such), and I think they are trying to distance themselves from that period. Since TD isn't touring or doing soundtrack work here, isn't getting any promotion or radio airplay, and has had spotty distribution since Goblin's Club, I suspect that their fanbase has shrunk, giving stores even less incentive to stock their shelves with these expensive TDI albums. Of course, this is just a theory, and I could be wrong! -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23375 Re: TDI North American Distribution Joe Shoults Tue 7/25/2000 3 KB 23378 Re: TDI North American Distribution Feldon Feldon Tue 7/25/2000 2 KB 23384 Re: TDI North American Distribution Whiteley, Steve Wed 7/26/2000 3 KB 23385 Re: TDI North American Distribution Feldon Feldon Wed 7/26/2000 2 KB 23391 Re: Other electronic artists [was: RE: TDI North =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Andrew_J=2E Thu 7/27/2000 4 KB From: Bennett Cookson Date: Tue Jul 25, 2000 5:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI US-distribution / news * (sorry for the 'official spam', Joe ;-)) Best regards,Martin K. That's not Spam, in fact, I vote we ask Martin to post regular news update to the last. I enjoy hearing TDI news straight from the source. Of course my ongoing nagging question is 'When will there be a US tour?' --Bennett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Todd Tornow' Date: Tue Jul 25, 2000 5:41 pm Subject: Concorde, I hope we don't recognise any of the names on the list. I hope we do not recognise any of the names on the passenger list of the Concorde that went down in Paris. To my understanding, it contained a tour group of high profile individuals who were of German Nationality. Todd ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Jul 25, 2000 6:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI North American Distribution A couple of months ago I went to the local Borders book store, and they had all the latest TDI releases, all the way up through Tang-Go. But I haven't checked since Soundmill came out. It would seem there is no lack of distribution here in Ohio; in fact, I was pretty surprised that they had all those. Prices were around $14-17 (USD). A buddy of mine is GM of a Borders; if I remember, I'll ask him next week how they decide on how they distribute what they buy from the labels... Joe > -----Original Message----- ... > spotty distribution since Goblin's Club, I suspect that their > fanbase has > shrunk, giving stores even less incentive to stock their > shelves with these > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Tue Jul 25, 2000 9:21 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] TDI US-distribution / news Bennet, I agree with you on this one. Sounds like a good idea. I wonder, though, when will there be a scandinavian tour ? Poul > > * (sorry for the 'official spam', Joe ;-)) Best regards,Martin K. > > That's not Spam, in fact, I vote we ask Martin to post regular news update > to the last. I enjoy hearing TDI news straight from the source. > > Of course my ongoing nagging question is 'When will there be a US tour?' > > --Bennett From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Tue Jul 25, 2000 9:18 pm Subject: Disaster To anyone on the list who may be connected with the friends and families on the ground and aboard the Air France Concorde flight that went down this afternoon outside Paris. Our thoughts are with you all . Sympathetic Regards Carl JK & Family ( UK ) From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Jul 25, 2000 9:49 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI North American Distribution Aside from Borders and Soundwaves, which seem to carry much TD, as they have such large selections, most stores do not carry TDI releases. Even Best Buy has fallen off on their coverage. -Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Jul 26, 2000 1:48 am Subject: Mars Polaris Posters I didn't know there were some Mars Polaris posters out there! Anyone know how I can get one? Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23380 Re: Mars Polaris Posters tom george Wed 7/26/2000 2 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Wed Jul 26, 2000 8:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris Posters sure frank, order the 'Millinium Booster'. -- On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:48:04 Frank Arellano wrote: >I didn't know there were some Mars Polaris posters out there! Anyone know how I can get one? > >Frank Arellano > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: mengels@w... Date: Wed Jul 26, 2000 9:27 am Subject: pic of cdr If you're interested in how the frontcover of the Okefenokee CDR looks like...Groove has scanned it and uploaded it at: http://www.groove.nl/cd/7/71830.html Sorry if this doesn't interest you...:-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Email :mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23382 Re: pic of cdr Antonio Nunes Wed 7/26/2000 2 KB 23383 Re: pic of cdr Marcel Engels Wed 7/26/2000 2 KB 23401 Re: pic of cdr Vic Rek Fri 7/28/2000 2 KB 23403 Re: pic of cdr Kees Fri 7/28/2000 2 KB 23404 Re: pic of cdr mengels@w... Fri 7/28/2000 2 KB 23414 Re: pic of cdr Kees Fri 7/28/2000 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Jul 26, 2000 5:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] pic of cdr mengels@w... wrote: > > If you're interested in how the frontcover of the Okefenokee > CDR looks like...Groove has scanned it and uploaded it at: > > http://www.groove.nl/cd/7/71830.html And there's also a 3 minutes audio excerpt of 'Cottage #3' at: http://www.groove.nl/sound-f.html BTW Marcel, I have not received my copy yet. Antonio Nunes np: TeeKay - Breezing Sequence Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23383 Re: pic of cdr Marcel Engels Wed 7/26/2000 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Wed Jul 26, 2000 5:15 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] pic of cdr > From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:ajogon@m...] > > And there's also a 3 minutes audio excerpt of 'Cottage #3' at: > http://www.groove.nl/sound-f.html > > BTW Marcel, I have not received my copy yet. > > Antonio Nunes It's on its way...I sent it last saturday so it should be with you within a few days. Sorry for the slight delay...in fact sorry to all the people who ordered it and haven't received it yet, but it is now all on its way. Later! Marcel From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Wed Jul 26, 2000 6:00 pm Subject: RE: TDI North American Distribution I was checking Borders, Towers, Best Buy in the Los Angeles Area. It used to be you had to be quick because the stores only ordered a few. The last time I asked about when they would be getting a new release they could show it to me on the computer and would order it for me, but had no plans on stocking the product. I've been buying online, save gas, time, money, taxes. I also have really been enjoying music from mp3.com, some of the artist make great music and its easy to find ones inspired by TD and my other favorites. I am going to support mp3.com because I believe it will allow me a larger selection of music, and the artist a better/fairer chance to sell their music. I'm looking forward to my annual migration across the southwest to my brothers place in Colorado. I'll compile a couple of TD CDR's of my resent favorites. I know there will be that moment where the beauty of earth will seep in, perhaps the music of TD will be playing and all will seem right and special, an ecstatic awe will overcome me and I'll be compelled to give my thanks and appreciation for the opportunities life has given me. >Message: 16 > Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:49:58 CDT > From: 'Feldon Feldon' >Subject: RE: TDI North American Distribution > >Aside from Borders and Soundwaves, which seem to carry much TD, as they have >such large selections, most stores do not carry TDI releases. Even Best Buy >has fallen off on their coverage. > >-Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Jul 26, 2000 6:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: TDI North American Distribution >From: 'Whiteley, Steve' > >I've been buying online, save gas, time, money, taxes. I also have >really been enjoying music from mp3.com, some of the artist make great >music and its easy to find ones inspired by TD and my other favorites. >I am going to support mp3.com because I believe it will allow me a >larger selection of music, and the artist a better/fairer chance to sell >their music. Is there a list somewhere of TD-inspired or similar musicians? I really like Airsculpture and Redshift, but have otherwise been a bit lost when getting started. I know there are members of this list who produce such music. I guess I need to get my butt in gear and send a cheque to get the Okefenokee (sp?) CD. Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23391 Re: Other electronic artists [was: RE: TDI North =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Andrew_J=2E Thu 7/27/2000 4 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Jul 26, 2000 7:18 pm Subject: yet another homepage update Just a few days since the last one, but a few things needed to be added. - some items from the swap and sales list of TD rarities are already gone - several new entries in the 'Remarks and Corrections' file about mis-labeled concert recordings - the 'Rarity of the month'-MP3 was corrupted, a new, working version is up now. - and, most interesting, a MP3-file for you to download, advertised to me as 'Tangerine Dream - Reaction in G (live 1967 Oude-Ahoy Hallen Rotterdam)' I don't believe that this is really TD and ask for your co- operation to find out what this really is. The first one to put this on a CDR without any disclaimer is a rotten egg ! But I'm sure it will happen, anyway... cheers, klaus http://www.caby.de/Music Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23387 Re: yet another homepage update Marcel Engels Wed 7/26/2000 2 KB 23389 Re: yet another homepage update Craig Chambers Wed 7/26/2000 3 KB 35292 yet another homepage update Klaus Beschorner Fri 8/9/2002 3 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Wed Jul 26, 2000 8:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] yet another homepage update > From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...] > > - and, most interesting, a MP3-file for you to download, > advertised to me as 'Tangerine Dream - Reaction in G > (live 1967 Oude-Ahoy Hallen Rotterdam)' > I don't believe that this is really TD and ask for your co- > operation to find out what this really is. TD in the Ahoy Hal Rotterdam? :-) Hmmm I doubt that...it is quite a large hall and I don't think TD had quite the name yet to perform there. It is a hall where most of the musicians over here dream of playing there...so I really doubt that a then unknown band had the oppertunity to perform there. But I could be wrong of course. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Email :mengels@w... From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Jul 26, 2000 9:15 pm Subject: beyond_em << Is there a list somewhere of TD-inspired or similar musicians? I really like Airsculpture and Redshift, but have otherwise been a bit lost when getting started. Morgan >> *Well I have to recommend my personal favorite list.. Beyond_Em. There are a high number of musos there from Arcane, Airsculpture, Nemesis, Mind-Flux, Dweller at the Threshold, Under the Dome, Kubusschnitt, Free System Project, Paul Nagle, Ramp... There's more (I know I'm forgetting some..Oh yeah, ME!! ;-)) The topics range pretty far and sometimes pretty wacky, so bring a healthy sense of humor... but it all orbits around the current EM scene, and of course the classics... Go to egroups and sign in and search for beyond_em.... or go here... Click here: eGroups : beyond_em See you there... Poly From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Wed Jul 26, 2000 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] yet another homepage update There is a bootleg of Pink Floyd with Syd Barrett from the same period by that same name IIRC....I would have to check the Pink Floyd RoIO database. Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcel Engels To: tadream@egroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] yet another homepage update > From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...] > > - and, most interesting, a MP3-file for you to download, > advertised to me as 'Tangerine Dream - Reaction in G > (live 1967 Oude-Ahoy Hallen Rotterdam)' > I don't believe that this is really TD and ask for your co- > operation to find out what this really is. TD in the Ahoy Hal Rotterdam? :-) Hmmm I doubt that...it is quite a large hall and I don't think TD had quite the name yet to perform there. It is a hall where most of the musicians over here dream of playing there...so I really doubt that a then unknown band had the oppertunity to perform there. But I could be wrong of course. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Email :mengels@w... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Hermes Guzman' Date: Thu Jul 27, 2000 12:06 am Subject: Antique Dreams review Well, now that I have some free time after my wedding and all, I guess it's high time I write this! Especially seeing as it's been almost three weeks since I said I would! I've had the opportunity to listen to _Antique Dreams_ through 50+ times now, so here goes my review, all IMHO: After the stunning success (mastering flaw notwithstanding) of _Soundmill Navigator_, I was in eager anticipation of _Antique Dreams_. On _Soundmill Navigator_, the shimmering haze and melancholy air of the new material blended perfectly with the dark chaos of the original '76 performance. This was the aural magic that first enchanted me some 18 years ago, brought into the present. Upon the posting of the tracklist for _Antique Dreams_, my entusiasm tempered a bit, due to the apparant lack of '70s era material, though the mysteriously titled 'Calymba Caly' and 'Southend Mall' held out promise, along with 'Phaedra of Nottingham'-a '74 live gem perchance? I wondered what the sonic additions would bring to the familiar facets of the gems 'Overture', 'Speed', 'Flock', 'Moorland'...and perhaps even 'Ultima Thule'? The taste of 'Edinbugh Castle' on the TDI site had my appetite whetted for some juicy live morsels from the early '80s, even as it dashed my hopes with 'Phaedra...'. Finally, the wait is over as the CD shows up on this side of the pond and another dream has come. Have you ever tried to describe a really amazing dream some time after you first dreamt it? Hard, isn't it? You *know* that you're missing some details, so you do your best to fill in the gaps, or sometimes even deliberately change things around to make it flow better. This doesn't always work, though, and sometimes you end up with a weaker narrative. This is what I feel has happened to some of these tracks in particular, and the disc overall. This was an opportunity to really add to the historical canon of the band's first two golden ages ('74-'77 and '80-'83.) By only including *2* tracks from the '70s (the 'Phaedra' and 'Sorcerer' concert versions notwithstanding) while giving us *5* tracks that are post-'85 ('Cool Breeze of Brighton', 'Southend Mall', 'House of the Rising Sun' and the aforementioned concert versions plus 'Thief') this compilation doesn't quite measure up to the task. And even though the decision was made to expand the scope of the retrospective from '82 to '88 to include the third golden era ('86-'88), with the exception of 'Cool Breeze of Brighton', the track selection from this era leave a *lot* to be desired. In fact, the overall selection is harmed simply due to the lack of balance between the eras, both representationally and stylistically. This disc can easily be divided into two sections: tracks 1-7 representing the original announced scope of this package (ie: the Sirloin) and tracks 8-12 representing '85-'88 (ie: the meat by-products, save for 'Cool Breeze...') Perhaps this is meant to be a Volume 1 from the periods selected, in which case the following omissions are understandable (to a degree...); 'Oszillator Planet Concert', 'Ultima Thule Pt. 2', 'Baryll Blue' (even though it's a solo track...hmmm...'Chimes and Chains' would've been a nice sort of turnabout by Edgar for 'Vermillion Sands'...), 'Katja', 'Daydream', 'Warsaw in the Sun' 12' version(s), 'StreetHawk' radio version, and 'Dolphin Dance' from the previously released material. As for the live excerpts, they too are a mixed bag. Seeing as there is a definate lack of released rarities from the '70s, I feel that should've been redressed by digging into the live archive from the era. The first UK tour from '74, the Orange '75 encore, the Detroit '77 Encore ;), even a '78 encore (heaven forbid!) would've been welcome and wonderful additions to the disc. As far as the '80s live material that was included is concerned, the result is decidedly mixed. The brilliant 'Calymba Caly', 'Edinburgh Castle' and 'Cool Breeze of Brighton' completely overshadow 'Sorcer and Thief', 'Phaedra of Nottingham' and 'House of the Rising Sun' in the context of this package. The E. Berlin '80 encore, *any* of the unreleased UK '82 (_Logos_) material, or dare I say another '86 tour excerpt ('Mothers of Rain' or the Toronto bonus encore), would've been better than the aforementioned tracks simply by virtue of their not having seen release (though in admittedly different mixes) on _Tangents_ ('House...' notwithstanding.) Well, that's enough wistful (or is that whingeing) exposition for now. I'm not Edgar, therefore this little 'what-if' is entirely an excercise in ego (as is the entire review...*any* review, actually.) This is his vision, not mine. Now, I'm as hardcore a fan as you'll ever want to meet (without the anal must-have-every-version-ever- printed gene, however) as some of you well know. Of course, my anal gene pertains to side-by-side comparison of every track to it's original (including the live material) just to make sure memory doesn't embellish what's there. The remastering has added some depth and new presence to the tracks, which may cause some to think that new material has been added or a particular voice has been reperformed, but that's not the case. Every *definitive* change in the track is noted below. Right, let's get to it! 'Oedipus Tyrannus Overture'- This is a good start to the CD. The track has been shortened by basically removing a lot of the 'openness' found in the original (pity that the hiss couldn't have been removed as well....) The overdubs on this one are subdued (a short moog-bass cluster and a few sfx stings) and fit well with the feel-in fact it they actually have the effect of transforming this track into what seems like something of a _Keep_ outtake! The only drawback for me is that I feel it should've kept the original ending instead of fading out early. This would have fit quite nicely on the _Tangents_ box set soundtrack disc. Wonderful! 'Ultima Thule Pt. 1'- Here we have the venerable acid-rock assault from '72 finally on official digital plastic. Curiously, there are no overdubs-it's as performed. I was sort of looking forward to a little re-jiggering of this one in the vein of _Dream Roots_ CD 1. A little foreshadowing here-of all the *previously released* tracks here, this is the only one that was untouched, save for fading out 3 seconds early (sometimes I think I hear the ghost of surface noise/rumble....) Antique Dreams indeed! (Though this marks the end of the new '70s material....) 'Calymba Caly'- The first of the unreleased live gems (though some of us heard it first on the Electrobeats show) is a classic sequence from both the 1980 *and* 1981 European tours (the liners say it's from '81, and from the tapes I have I concur.) The segment found here is the second half (plus the beginning of the next theme) of what could be considered the 'central theme' of the first set (The first half of the concert theme provides the core of the track 'Speed'.) It is untouched, but I feel poorly edited. The last 3:47 is from the next sequence in the '81 first set, which to me is like giving a starving man a steak and then taking it back after just a few bites. A better solution, perhaps, would have been to use the first 8 mins. of the theme instead to provide the full context of the piece (or even just use the segment as played on Electrobeats.) My guess is that since 'Speed Dragon' was included, he felt it would be redundant to include the same theme twice. Still and all, this disc is shaping up quite nicely, I think.... 'Flock of Bluebirds'- With a new intro that is faintly reminiscent of the 'Scuba Scuba' intro mixed with an outtake from _Stuntman_ to be used for the '87 Berlin concert segues, this one starts interestingly enough. Then the original track kicks in and things go pear-shaped. The new overdub *completely* overshadows the original material, which is also edited poorly. The original material is basically the first 1:20 of the original track looped (with a *bad* edit that drops in part of the third section between the loop) which means that the interesting middle section is not here! In your mind you make the transition to the missing part because you've heard it a million times, but now you're just stopped cold-confusion between your mind and ears takes you completely out of the song. The overdub also just flat-out doesn't work with the original material. Dissapointing, to say the least, and hopefully not indicative of the upcoming reworked material.... 'Speed Dragon'- This one opens better than 'Flock...', with just a few notes of new intro before the vintage track starts. The new material works *much* better here, both in presence and style, and the full original track is used-hurrah! This would also fit nicely on _Tangents_, though I still wish that the full concert version that is the source for this track had been included as well. Also, I *swear* I hear vinyl surface noise on this one! Nice recovery from the last track, though.... 'Edinburgh Castle'- AKA 'Sobornost', this is another unreleased live gem, this time from the Fall UK *1981* Tour 1st set, not an 1980 encore as the liners say (unless Endinburgh had a truly unique encore a la Toronto '86-there is no known fantape!) The overdubs on this track are almost invisible as they fit so well with the vintage track. Another one that would've gone down a treat on _Tangents_! (IIRC, the first information given regarding _Tangents_ mentioned that there was to be a CD of unreleased *live* material, instead of the soundtrack disc...hmmmmm....) 'Moorland'- Very nice. The addition of a new string pad underneath the original is very complimentary to the piece and provides a new coda as well. At this point, I'm prepared to call this CD _Tangents Too-The Outtakes_, though....:) 'Sorcerer and Thief'- Most definately *not* from '81, but from '86. Part of a roughly 45 min. show for the Mill Valley Film Festival. Also performed in this fashion during the Berlin '87 show. Nice, but somehow a letdown from the previous live material. Some of the 45 mins. of material left out of the _Sorcerer_ soundtrack would've been better.... 'Southend Mall'- Eh. I wonder what this would've become had it been included on _Le Parc_ (with input from Paul and Chris, of course.) I don't hear much in the way of the '80s style. As it is, it sounds like another _Beyond the Storm_ track. This one sticks out like a sore thumb here. 'Cool Breeze of Brighton'- Taking back what belonged to the band (some of you have perhaps heard of 'Vermillion Sands'?), and in untouched form! This is the one bright spot of the post '83 material. Brilliant! 'Phaedra of Nottingham'- Not at all from Nottingham '90, but from an unknown '88 show instead. And not even necessary, as we already have a new version on _Tangents_. This one is as performed in the '88 set, with Edgar once again forgetting to edit out the next track as in 'Calymba Caly' above. Another disappointment, as any of the unreleased material from the '88 set would've been a better use of this space. 'House of the Rising Sun'- Oops, I spoke too soon! I meant to say any of the *totally* unreleased material! :) A nice little curiosity when released as a flexi, but this one could've been skipped as well for this package. As for the music, a single new element was added, a bell-tone pad that merely mimics the melody. Totally underwhelming...and not the way this CD should've ended. The bottom line on _AD_, then, is a bit of a mixed bag...and a missed opportunity. I feel that this release was perhaps intended to be more of a gift to the core fanbase rather than the general marketplace, given the nature of the material. The average punter could care less about the mega-rare odds-and-sods or live extract bits and would likely pass this up. But for those of us fans who are long-suffering indeed, this was to be a gift for our years of patience with the myriad naff boots...with one exception. If _Electronic Orgy_ pissed Edgar off so much, then this was his chance to even the score a bit. Unless there's to be a Vol. 2 (or 3), it's still Bootleggers 1, TD 0. goozer From: 'Andrew J. Rózsa' Date: Thu Jul 27, 2000 4:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Other electronic artists [was: RE: TDI North American Distribution] At 01:24 PM 7/26/00 CDT, Morgan wrote: >Is there a list somewhere of TD-inspired or similar musicians? I really like >Airsculpture and Redshift, but have otherwise been a bit lost when getting >started. I know there are members of this list who produce such music. I >guess I need to get my butt in gear and send a cheque to get the Okefenokee >(sp?) CD. Completely off the top of my head..... Free System Projekt (Marcel Engels) CHAOS Kubusschnitt (Jens Peschke, Andy Bloyce, Tom Coppens, and Ruud Heij) Asana Aether Ron Boots Rob Essers Wavestar Joyhn Dyson Ramp Goettsching Hoenig Keller and Schoenwalder Dweller at the Threshold (Paul Ellis, Jeff Vasey, Dave Fulton) Sven Vaeth Ian Boddy Fanger und Kersten Mind~Flux (above with a bite) Eletronische Maschine Amorph Paul Nagle Ashok Prema Andy Pickford Arc Brian Frick T.Bass - UK (David Hughes) Kees Aerts Under the Dome (Grant Middleton) Synthetic Block Selectred CDs of: Software Megabyte Robert Schroeder Peter Seiler ex- and present readers of this list: Tony Marshall Scott Lawlor Riley Roden David Brewer Kinski Jeff Bergman Satsuma Nightmare (Alan Stoker) Ciro Rodriguez Glynn Naughton Ruediger Illg and so on... if I forgot anybody, please forgive me... I would suggest you hit... Archie Patteson's Eurock: http://www.eurock.com/ Dave Law's Neu Harmony (SMD): http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk/ Kees Aerts' and Groove: http://www.groove.nl/ and read the reviews (whenever available). Groove has many 'Various Artist' samplers.... you will be exposed to artists that otherwise you would probably missed out on. From SMD you could get the Jodrell Bank concerts... the 6-CD pack ought to get you going. Also, you may venture to the (unsupported) GoldTri archives site and read the reviews...also you may want to get the GoldTri Compilations (Vols. 1 and 2): http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/6639/ This ought bring you just short of bankruptcy... but if by any chance you still have some money left, do let me know, and we can up the ante to different levels of synth music.... to where TD could have gone.... Sound bytes, tapes, CDRs, and such abound... keep on looking and asking .... the trip is worth it, trust me. Good listening, Andrew From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Jul 27, 2000 8:10 am Subject: Reaction in G - mystery solved ! Thanks to Marek and Wouter this one was quickly solved: 'Tangerine Dream - Reaction in G (live 1967 Oude-Ahoy Hallen Rotterdam)' is actually a track by Pink Floyd from 13th November of this year (Hippy Happy Fair), available on several PF bootlegs. cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23426 Rainers' updated TD fanpage. And a THANK YOU! Rainer Rutka Sun 7/30/2000 2 KB From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Thu Jul 27, 2000 12:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD Hey, what's the status of the CDR project? I sent my info to Yannick and never got a reply. Is it still going? I definitely want to contribute. Thanks KRIS ____________________________________________________ This message has been scanned for content with MailSweeper. A virus check has been done with CommandCom Software and it has been determined clean. ____________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> Date: Thu Jul 27, 2000 1:23 pm Subject: My New Web Site Hi all I have finally uploaded my website at: http://members.tripodasia.com.hk/coldwatercanyon/index.html You all are very welcome to visit and sign on my guestbook! Thanks & Greetings! Jeffrey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: yannick.edom@s... Date: Thu Jul 27, 2000 3:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD Greetings The CDR project is still going on. At this time i'm waiting for the CDR Joel Mullen got last year. When i will get it i will begin the mastering work and contact every contributing musicians to get from them a short profile. Every member who wants to be part of the project can contact me or Joe Shoults. My address below is the valid one for sending materials for the project. The Project will be really begin when i will get the CDR from Joel Mullen because there are the tracks he got for the initial project. I will be coordinated with Joe Shoults for the project. The CDR must go on. Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... ----- Message d'origine ----- De : Rhen, Kris À : Cc : Envoyé : jeudi 27 juillet 2000 13:40 Objet : RE: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD > Hey, what's the status of the CDR project? I sent my info to Yannick > and never got a reply. Is it still going? I definitely want to > contribute. Thanks > > KRIS > > > > ____________________________________________________ > This message has been scanned for content with MailSweeper. > A virus check has been done with CommandCom Software and it has > been determined clean. > ____________________________________________________ > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Jul 27, 2000 4:50 pm Subject: Fassbinder concert Here's what I hear listening to a recording of the concert. More material may have been played that is not on the recording. Also, It's been a LONG time since I've heard the Kamikaze 1989 soundtrack, so some of that material might be mixed in there. I listened to the recording in conjunction with Logos and Poland, and found the material to be pretty much identical (with occasional embellishments) to the passages listed from Logos and Poland. FASSBINDER MEMORIAL CONCERT Recorded June 11, 1983 Alter Oper, Frankfurt, Germany [ 1.1] 4:15 Horizon (opening part) [ 1.2] 11:30 Logos Part 1 (13:00 to end) [ 1.3] 14:57 Poland (11:30 to end) total time = 30:42 (Note: I do not know how this compares to the LP 'release') From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Jul 27, 2000 9:40 am Subject: Re : [tadream] Reaction in G - mystery solved ! Hi Klaus, Have you heard the 'Tribute to Tangerine Dream' by Pink Floyd? I found an MP3 of it on 'Macster' the other day, let me know if you're interested, and I'll e-mail it to you. Paul ---------- >De : Klaus Beschorner >À : tangerinedream unmoderated mailing list at onelist , tadream moderated mailing list at onelist >Objet : [tadream] Reaction in G - mystery solved ! >Date : Jeu 27 juil 2000 10:10 > > > Thanks to Marek and Wouter this one was quickly solved: > > 'Tangerine Dream - Reaction in G (live 1967 Oude-Ahoy Hallen Rotterdam)' > is actually a track by Pink Floyd from 13th November of this year > (Hippy > Happy Fair), available on several PF bootlegs. > > cheers, > klaus > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23398 Re : [tadream] Reaction in G - mystery solved ! Paul Fellows Thu 7/27/2000 3 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Jul 27, 2000 6:23 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Reaction in G - mystery solved ! Oops, sorry, this one wasn't meant to go to the list, easily done.... ---------- >De : 'Paul Fellows' >À : tadream@egroups.com >Objet : Re : [tadream] Reaction in G - mystery solved ! >Date : Jeu 27 juil 2000 11:40 > > Hi Klaus, > > Have you heard the 'Tribute to Tangerine Dream' by Pink Floyd? I found an > MP3 of it on 'Macster' the other day, let me know if you're interested, and > I'll e-mail it to you. > > Paul > > ---------- >>De : Klaus Beschorner >>À : tangerinedream unmoderated mailing list at onelist > , tadream moderated mailing list at onelist > >>Objet : [tadream] Reaction in G - mystery solved ! >>Date : Jeu 27 juil 2000 10:10 >> > >> >> Thanks to Marek and Wouter this one was quickly solved: >> >> 'Tangerine Dream - Reaction in G (live 1967 Oude-Ahoy Hallen Rotterdam)' >> is actually a track by Pink Floyd from 13th November of this year >> (Hippy >> Happy Fair), available on several PF bootlegs. >> >> cheers, >> klaus >> >> >> >> PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >> To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >> Website: http://www.tadream.net >> >> From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Jul 27, 2000 8:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fassbinder concert >From: 'Owens, James' > >FASSBINDER MEMORIAL CONCERT >Recorded June 11, 1983 Alter Oper, Frankfurt, Germany Thank you very much for the research! Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Thu Jul 27, 2000 11:11 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Other electronic artists [was: RE: TDI North American Distribution] Morgan, if my memory serves me right I think that *Mind-flux* is a great band. To be sure though, you can also ask Jan for further - I think he know's their music :o) Poul J.H. har du ikke en CD med det band ? > At 01:24 PM 7/26/00 CDT, Morgan wrote: > > >Is there a list somewhere of TD-inspired or similar musicians? I really like > >Airsculpture and Redshift, but have otherwise been a bit lost when getting > >started. I know there are members of this list who produce such music. I > >guess I need to get my butt in gear and send a cheque to get the Okefenokee > >(sp?) CD. > > Completely off the top of my head..... > Mind~Flux (above with a bite) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23405 Sv: [tadream] Other electronic artists [was: RE: Pergamon Fri 7/28/2000 2 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Fri Jul 28, 2000 4:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] pic of cdr Hello swamp fans, > If you're interested in how the frontcover of the Okefenokee > CDR looks like...Groove has scanned it and uploaded it at: > > http://www.groove.nl/cd/7/71830.html The pic looks nice, since it's my photo :-), but Groove needs to change the title from 'Cottage #2' to 'Cottage #3', (we moved there after the first night). As for the CD - I think this music is so unique and excellent that I hope all fans have a chance to listen - this is non-profit. At this time, I'm sending out CD-Rs daily of 'Okefenokke Dreams 2000' and I hope that soon we'll hear some reviews from the fans. Next month I plan on setting up reservations for next year around mid April - 'Okefenokee Dreams 2001!' Mark you calendar... Come on everyone, we all spend too much time at home, lets think of the next OKe road trip... You won't regret it!!! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23403 Re: pic of cdr Kees Fri 7/28/2000 2 KB 23404 Re: pic of cdr mengels@w... Fri 7/28/2000 2 KB 23414 Re: pic of cdr Kees Fri 7/28/2000 2 KB From: Joel Mullen Date: Fri Jul 28, 2000 7:40 am Subject: Identification of a Woman released Video Business July 24th-- Woman finally arrives (never released before)--- FACETS MULTIMEDIA List price $79.95 (VHS only) (I have not searched for the best price yet) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23424 Identification of a Woman released Klaus Beschorner Sun 7/30/2000 2 KB From: Kees Date: Fri Jul 28, 2000 9:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] pic of cdr At 00:12 28-7-00 -0400, you wrote: >Hello swamp fans, > > > If you're interested in how the frontcover of the Okefenokee > > CDR looks like...Groove has scanned it and uploaded it at: > > > > http://www.groove.nl/cd/7/71830.html > >The pic looks nice, since it's my photo :-), but Groove needs to change >the title from 'Cottage #2' to 'Cottage #3', (we moved there after the >first night). I used the text of the CD-R cover. >As for the CD - I think this music is so unique and excellent that I >hope all fans have a chance to listen - this is non-profit. That's what I said to Marcel and in my opinion you're making a mistake by releasing this as CD-R. This should have been a CD. And why non-profit? You did an excellent job by organizing this and a bit of profit helps organizing the next event or whatever. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23404 Re: pic of cdr mengels@w... Fri 7/28/2000 2 KB 23414 Re: pic of cdr Kees Fri 7/28/2000 2 KB From: mengels@w... Date: Fri Jul 28, 2000 2:23 pm Subject: Re: pic of cdr > >the title from 'Cottage #2' to 'Cottage #3', (we moved there after the > >first night). > > I used the text of the CD-R cover. Hmm I'm pretty sure it is #3... > That's what I said to Marcel and in my opinion you're making a mistake > by releasing this as CD-R. This should have been a CD. > And why non-profit? You did an excellent job by organizing this and a > bit of profit helps organizing the next event or whatever. Well, we could that and make a CD of it. But the money is pure for next years event. What if we make 250 copies and only sell 100...then next years event is quite costly. If we want it we should do it now because we can still send the people who has ordered or received the CDR the regular CD, because numbers aren't that high now. It's not much of a problem for me financing it right now though. I know we have discussed it already Vic and Dave...what should we do? (this is probably not material for this list, so sorry) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Email :mengels@w... From: 'Pergamon' Date: Fri Jul 28, 2000 4:09 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Other electronic artists [was: RE: TDI North American Distribution] Hello Morgan Reg: Mind-flux, contact me offlist. pergamon@g... > > At 01:24 PM 7/26/00 CDT, Morgan wrote: > > > > >Is there a list somewhere of TD-inspired or similar musicians? I really like > > >Airsculpture and Redshift, but have otherwise been a bit lost when getting > > >started. I know there are members of this list who produce such music. I > > >guess I need to get my butt in gear and send a cheque to get the Okefenokee > > >(sp?) CD. > > > > Completely off the top of my head..... > > > Mind~Flux (above with a bite) From: Gabe Yedid Date: Fri Jul 28, 2000 8:25 pm Subject: Interesting music shopping in Portland, Oregon? Hello all, I'm going to be in Portland, Oregon, next week, and I was wondering if anybody here could give me some suggestions on where interesting places to shop for music might be. (If Phil Derby still reads either of these lists, that would be absolutely ideal (being a Portlander...)!) thanks, Gabe From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Fri Jul 28, 2000 9:03 pm Subject: Sv: Other electronic artists [was: RE: TDI North American Distrib ution] Morgan, Available from MP3.com TD inspired: Kevin Smith Craig Padilla Simon Slator Electronic Rock, Game Music: Bjorn Lynn Blues Rock: Johnny Winter Rob Krieger Modern Composers: Rodelius (sp?) Terry Riley many more than I can remember, some suck IMO. Its funny the other day work was serving Chinese takeout. I asked my friend if he was going to get some. 'I don't like Chinese food' me:'Well come and get some fortune cookies' 'I don't believe in fortune cookies' me:'Why not?' 'My future is by my hand (holding his fist in the air)' Right out of college, I was impressed. By your hand is the best way to check out mp3.com Later Dreamers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Thu Jul 27, 2000 11:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD OK I'm new here, what's the CDR project? Phil. From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Fri Jul 28, 2000 10:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Phil Wingfield' > OK I'm new here, what's the CDR project? > > Phil. Hi Phil Welcome aboard the TD crazy train . The CD project is basically ( and correct me if I am wrong guys ) the musos and artists among the list are putting together samples of there own music , sort of a tribute to TD , other members have volunteered there time and expertise to re master , mix ,do the art work and copy the music to disc for all the people out here that are not talented in any way to enjoy the fruits of there toil . I think that basicly sums the project up , I know I am looking forward to hearing the music myself . Best regards Carl ' The Orch ' From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Fri Jul 28, 2000 10:09 pm Subject: Concert venues . OK here's one to ponder ! If you could have Tangerine Dream play anywhere in the World and at any venue you wanted , What and where would it be ? I think that for us here in the UK it would have to be the failed Millennium Dome in London , they would be the first and probably the last musical artists to play there . Regards to all Carl ' The Orch ' # ~ ICQ 38818818 ' The Song Remains the same ' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23415 Re: Concert venues . PENFOLD Fri 7/28/2000 2 KB 23416 Re: Concert venues . Feldon Feldon Sat 7/29/2000 2 KB 23417 Re: Concert venues . PENFOLD Sat 7/29/2000 3 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Fri Jul 28, 2000 10:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD >I have some TD inspired music, it's a bit rough and ready, how fussy are you and is there anywhere I can go to listen to the other music going onto the CD? The CD project is basically ( and correct me if I am wrong guys ) the musos > and artists among the list are putting together samples of there own music , > sort of a tribute to TD , other members have volunteered there time and > expertise to re master , mix ,do the art work and copy the music to disc for > all the people out here that are not talented in any way to enjoy the fruits > of there toil . From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Fri Jul 28, 2000 10:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TaDream Music Project CD > >I have some TD inspired music, it's a bit rough and ready, how fussy are > you and is there anywhere I can go to listen to the other music going onto > the CD? Hi Phil I guess you will have to talk to one of the guys involved in the project , don't worry M8 you will be inundated with information once they have read your request and interest in the project. Me ! I just play the stuff I am not that clever , LOL. Regards Carl . From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Fri Jul 28, 2000 10:46 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Concert venues . > If you could have Tangerine Dream play anywhere in the World and at any > venue you wanted , What and where would it be ? For me it would definetly be somewhere in Denmark, or in southern Sweden maybe ! They owe scandinavia one afterall, don't they ? Poul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23418 Sv: [tadream] Concert venues . Pergamon Sat 7/29/2000 2 KB From: Kees Date: Fri Jul 28, 2000 11:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] pic of cdr At 11:16 28-7-00 +0200, you wrote: >At 00:12 28-7-00 -0400, you wrote: > >Hello swamp fans, > > > > > If you're interested in how the frontcover of the Okefenokee > > > CDR looks like...Groove has scanned it and uploaded it at: > > > > > > http://www.groove.nl/cd/7/71830.html > > > >The pic looks nice, since it's my photo :-), but Groove needs to change > >the title from 'Cottage #2' to 'Cottage #3', (we moved there after the > >first night). Sorry guys. My mistake. I'll upgrade the cottage. :-) All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: PENFOLD Date: Fri Jul 28, 2000 11:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Concert venues . At 2000.07.28 15:09, Carl Kearney wrote: >If you could have Tangerine Dream play anywhere in the World and at any >venue you wanted , What and where would it be ? my €0.02 Have them play the out in the Black Rock Desert during the Burning Man Festival (http://www.burningman.com/) Where the vibe is good and the crowds appreciative Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... Saw copy of _The Keep_ LP, held it in his hands, but didn't have the $ 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese, on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Jul 29, 2000 12:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Concert venues . >From: PENFOLD > >At 2000.07.28 15:09, Carl Kearney wrote: > >If you could have Tangerine Dream play anywhere in the World and at any > >venue you wanted , What and where would it be ? > >my €0.02 > > Have them play the out in the Black Rock Desert during the >Burning >Man Festival I didn't know electricity was allowed. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23417 Re: Concert venues . PENFOLD Sat 7/29/2000 3 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Sat Jul 29, 2000 12:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Concert venues . At 2000.07.28 17:15, Feldon Feldon wrote: > >From: PENFOLD > > > >At 2000.07.28 15:09, Carl Kearney wrote: > > >If you could have Tangerine Dream play anywhere in the World and at any > > >venue you wanted , What and where would it be ? > > > >my €0.02 > > > > Have them play the out in the Black Rock Desert during the > >Burning > >Man Festival > >I didn't know electricity was allowed. You can have electricity, but you have to bring it yourself. They'll have to run off the gennys in the tour bus.....another 220V live performance! Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... Saw copy of _The Keep_ LP, held it in his hands, but didn't have the $ 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese, on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sat Jul 29, 2000 1:06 am Subject: Sv: [tadream] Concert venues . AT LAST!!!, hey all you guys from TDI, TD or what have we, lurking out there, listen to this dude =) I'd go for Denmark, there are so many lovely places here that could set the scene for a TD-concert. Hammershus on Bornholm, Roskilde fjord (at the Museum), several places along the eastcoast of Jutland etc etc. But hey!!, aren't we all just DREAMing. Jan > > If you could have Tangerine Dream play anywhere in the World and at any > > venue you wanted , What and where would it be ? > > For me it would definetly be somewhere in Denmark, or in southern Sweden maybe ! They owe scandinavia one afterall, don't they ? > Poul From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Jul 29, 2000 7:18 am Subject: RE.Concert Venues Hi just back from hols not much sun never mind. How about an outdoor concert at Blenheim Palace just down the road from the Manor studios, I know it's taking a risk with the current British weather but I could cope with that. Cheers Gary From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Jul 29, 2000 3:56 pm Subject: Re: Three Tier Dream I know the focal point of this list is not concert/bootleg material, far from it. But I've just heard disc 2 of Three Tier Dream for the first time, a concert recording from 1981. May I just say again that Tangerine Dream are musical geniuses? I have Newcastle UK 1981 (Dreamtime) and there is just no comparison. The Three Tier Dream disc 2 (Digital Times) is played with so much feeling, I was shocked. I'm at work right now and I'm just sitting with my jaw open. There is so much more intricacy here. It's like they let the equipment just play on Newcastle, but on TTD2 they made sure every note was perfect, often going off on a tangent and adding things. It's all great stuff. I know this list is for official TD releases, but if you have not heard any concert recordings/unreleased stuff from 1981 or 1982, this is the definitive recording. Regards, Morgan ================================================================= Electronic Music ----- the great sandpaper of rough yet beautiful music. The past music, carved by hand and then lightly sanded out to form a good finish, but to keep some of the texture and detail, that's what I want. Alas, the grit has worn down and we are left with 'New Age'. Morgan ================================================================= ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23421 Re: Three Tier Dream Matthew Sawyer Sat 7/29/2000 2 KB 23422 Re: Three Tier Dream Marcel Engels Sat 7/29/2000 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sat Jul 29, 2000 8:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Three Tier Dream From: Feldon Feldon > I know the focal point of this list is not concert/bootleg material, far > from it. But I've just heard disc 2 of Three Tier Dream for the first time, > a concert recording from 1981. May I just say again that Tangerine Dream are > musical geniuses? Fantastic, isn't it? If only they'd released this concert instead of Sohoman. Maff Delurking for a sec. From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sat Jul 29, 2000 10:05 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Three Tier Dream > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] > > I know this list is for official TD releases, but if you have not > heard any > concert recordings/unreleased stuff from 1981 or 1982, this is the > definitive recording. Besides Logos this is absolutely the best 81/82 disc there is. My fav. disc from the 3CD set. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Email :mengels@w... From: kayleigh Date: Sun Jul 30, 2000 3:15 am Subject: The CDR project - what is it, how's it work? Hey there all. SORRY if I walked into this conversation in the middle, BUT wanted to ask seriously about this CDR project? I've been playing keyboards/synth/piano for 20+ years, and have contributed in the past to several other projects for 'tributes' for other bands, and have had two cds recorded of my own music (as well as do recording in my own studio at home and on my computer), NOT for a career or making a ton of money, just mostly for fun, and the band I've played in through the years is able to sell a few (all originals) to some people that like different music. Just curious about this CDR project? Obviously people ARE contributing material for the project, being TD based, etc, and related, but just curious how involved this is, and how many people are involved, how many songs, what type of TD material? Sorry for stepping into the middle of this, and honestly I don't have time to contribute at the present time, BUT it's just great to hear about fans doing this stuff. any info would be greatly appreciated. thanks. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse - LIVE ONLINE!!! Featuring CrackASmile - The ONLY ONLINE Poison Mailing List! http://www.modempool.com/kayleigh also reach me at tootiehoot2@h... AOL IM (tootiehoot2) IcQ # 1247205 From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Jul 30, 2000 9:39 am Subject: Identification of a Woman released > Video Business July 24th-- > Woman finally arrives (never released before)--- > FACETS MULTIMEDIA > List price $79.95 (VHS only) Ahem, then, how come I have an original 'A connoiseur video release from Argos films and the British Film Institute', CR 133 ? And, yes, you probably want to shop for a better price ;-) cheers, klaus From: Kees Date: Sun Jul 30, 2000 12:41 pm Subject: E-Live 2000 festival in the Netherlands Sunday, September 10 it's E-Live 2000 in 'De Schalm', Veldhoven, the Netherlands. Hall opens at 10:30 Performing artists are: STEVE ROACH (U.S.A.) COSMIC HOFFMANN with STEPHEN PARSICK (Germany) IAN BODDY with NIGEL MULLANEY & MARKUS REUTER (U.K.) ELEKTRONISCHE MASCHINE (Netherlands) LAMBERT (RINGLAGE) & HARDY (Germany) FREE SYSTEM PROJEKT with RUUD HEY (Netherlands) Also several booths with CD's, an auction, a raffle and in the real movie theatre we will show the movie BLADE RUNNER (music by Vangelis). You also have the chance to meet several (famous) artists and much, much more. During the day a special CD will be available with unreleased tracks from the performing artists. Prices (for advanced booking and payment (till August 10!): 37,50 guilders for adults 20,00 guilders for children till 16 years 25,00 guilders for 65+ Prices (When you pay at the box-office on September 10): 47,50 guilders for adults 30,00 guilders for children till 16 years 35,00 guilders for 65+ Advanced booking is possible till August 10 2000! All details about E-Live incl. artists bio, maps, times and prices can be found at: http://www.stichting-crew.nl Or you can Email to sales@s... All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Jul 30, 2000 4:21 pm Subject: Rainers' updated TD fanpage. And a THANK YOU! Hi ev'rybody! I'm just back from my vacation and updated my TD-fanpage. I added more than 50 new CDrs, some rare singles and other things. Just have a look. Please check my new wants- and swap-lists. And the TD-Links page was changed, too. BTW: Thank you for 10390 clicks since I added a counter. This is something I'm proud of and keeps me going ;-) Keep on dreaming! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jul 30, 2000 3:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rainers' updated TD fanpage. And a THANK YOU! Rainer, Sorry to ask all these questions. ------------------------------------- 13.12 Reims, FR - Cathedral Audience A CDR 2 CD Inspired by Live! Improvised! VF74-08 So this is different than what is on Live! Improvised!? Is it a different concert? ------------------------------------- You have Tatort soundtrack listed under 1975. Is this because there were 1975 concert CDRs put out with Tatort tacked onto the end? More questions to come :) Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23428 Re: Rainers' updated TD fanpage. And a THANK YOU! Rainer Rutka Sun 7/30/2000 3 KB 23429 Re: Rainers' updated TD fanpage. And a THANK YOU! Feldon Feldon Sun 7/30/2000 2 KB 23430 Re: Rainers' updated TD fanpage. And a THANK YOU! Rainer Rutka Sun 7/30/2000 2 KB 23433 Re: Rainers' updated TD fanpage. And a THANK YOU! Feldon Feldon Sun 7/30/2000 2 KB 23436 Re: Rainers' updated TD fanpage. And a THANK YOU! Rainer Rutka Mon 7/31/2000 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Jul 30, 2000 5:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rainers' updated TD fanpage. And a THANK YOU! On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, Feldon Feldon wrote: > Rainer, HI! > Sorry to ask all these questions. Why sorry? If it's important to all listmembers.... If not, ask me private! ;-) > ------------------------------------- > 13.12 Reims, FR - Cathedral Audience A CDR 2 CD Inspired by Live! > Improvised! VF74-08 > So this is different than what is on Live! Improvised!? Is it a different > concert? This is one disk of Vics (excellent!) Virtual Files Series - CD. It's the same recording you can find onto 'Live! Improvised!'. But Vic added some (very useful!) indexes. Part 5-6 onto the disk are taken from a French Radio Broadcast (16 minutes). Quality is 'so lala'. > You have Tatort soundtrack listed under 1975. Is this because there were > 1975 concert CDRs put out with Tatort tacked onto the end? Where did you find this? It's not in the CDR-section! Please give me some more hints ;-) > More questions to come :) Why not! Bye. Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jul 30, 2000 4:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rainers' updated TD fanpage. And a THANK YOU! http://www.rutka.de/td/td_cdr.html 1976 Kassensturz {Tatort} (OST) TV B+ CDR Various O.S.T, Part 1 CR076 Kassensturz {Tatort} (OST) TV B CDR with dialogue VF73-02 Unknown location Audience B+ CDR D.1/4 CD 3-Tier Dream, 'Analogue Days' CC1744 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23430 Re: Rainers' updated TD fanpage. And a THANK YOU! Rainer Rutka Sun 7/30/2000 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Jul 30, 2000 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rainers' updated TD fanpage. And a THANK YOU! On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, Feldon Feldon wrote: > http://www.rutka.de/td/td_cdr.html > 1976 > Kassensturz {Tatort} (OST) TV B+ CDR Various O.S.T, > Part 1 CR076 > Kassensturz {Tatort} (OST) TV B CDR with dialogue > VF73-02 Thanks. Now I understand. I just looked in 1975! They are here, because the recording date was 1975 and/or the date the TD-show was broadcasted was in the same year. Bye. Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Jul 30, 2000 6:05 pm Subject: Discussion Week 46 - Sunday 30th July 2000 Next up is the 'soundtrack' album Oasis. Please make your subject read 'D:Soundtrack [Oasis]' when posting comments and reviews. Regards, Lawry lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jul 30, 2000 8:48 pm Subject: D:Soundtrack [Oasis] This is a mini-review from memory since I'm at work right now. 1. Flashflood This is my second favorite track on the CD. Really good sequencing and could just as easily be a part of Livemiles. 5AS 2. Zion 3. Reflections 4. Cliff Dwellers I don't remember these. 5. Waterborne My favorite track on this CD. I don't know why execellence in sequencing has eluded TD for the last 13 years. It must've been by accident that they stumbled upon it again at the 2 minute mark of this track at the changeover point. 5AS 6. Cedar Breaks An exceptionally awful track. Sounds like a full set of silver knives and forks in a cement mixer. 1AS 7. Summer Storm 8. Hopi Mesa Heart 9. Chia Maroon I don't remember these. I can't recommend the CD as a whole unless you can get it for under $10 for Waterborne and Flashflood. Also, if you have any concert tapes or have attended any concerts around 1996, then you have heard great reworkings of these two tracks with Zlatko adding E.Guitar and Linda adding sax. Regards, Morgan P.S. I have not seen the Oasis video so I cannot judge Oasis as a soundtrack, only as a standalone piece. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23516 D:Soundtrack [Oasis] Lawry Simm Sun 8/6/2000 6 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Jul 30, 2000 3:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rainers' updated TD fanpage. And a THANK YOU! >From: Rainer Rutka > www.rutka.de/td Rainer, the sony-live-excerpt.mp3 or Potzdamer Platz doesn't seem to bear any relation to the Sony Topping Out Ceremony mp3 I have. Any ideas? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23436 Re: Rainers' updated TD fanpage. And a THANK YOU! Rainer Rutka Mon 7/31/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Jul 31, 2000 4:43 am Subject: Thought I was confused BEFORE! For this not to be a bootleg list, I can't help but ask these questions... I have two sets of tracks as mp3 only... Ruby in the Sky Ruby in the Sky (60:53) Rainbow Reprise (38:16) Rubidium (13:52) Sequent B (17:22) Phaedream Movement of a Visionary (12:44) Rubycon (Part II) (20:08) Mysterious Semblance at the Stand of Nightmares (15:53) Now, from James Owens page, I get this: 'Phaedream, Ruby in the Sky are the same as Coefficient of Aural Expansion' Disc 1 [ 1.0] 60:08 Coefficient of Aural Expansion 1 Disc 2 (53:11) [ 1.0] 39:19 Coefficient of Aural Expansion 2 [ 2.0] 13:52 Coefficient of Aural Expansion 3 ----------------- Here's what I've got figured out so far... Same thing P1 Movement of a Visionary (12:44) R3 Rubidium (13:52) Same thing P2 Rubycon (Part II) (20:08) R1 Ruby in the Sky (19:34-39:42) I cannot place: Mysterious Semblance at the Stand of Nightmares (15:53) This track is labeled 'Phaedream (Royal Albert Hall)' But I'm having a hard time believing this. It starts out with wind sounds, a harpsichord, and a woman talking 'The skies that were ashen and somber...it was the light in lonesome October of my most memorial year...' and later 'and I said, 'what is written sweet sister, on the door of this legend tomb?'' How's that for a challenge? Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23435 Thought I was confused BEFORE! Feldon Feldon Mon 7/31/2000 2 KB 23457 Re: Thought I was confused BEFORE! Joe Shoults Tue 8/1/2000 2 KB 23464 Re: Thought I was confused BEFORE! Phil Wingfield Tue 8/1/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Jul 31, 2000 4:46 am Subject: Thought I was confused BEFORE! I forgot to ask... Ruby in the Sky 04 Sequent B (17:22) What is this? From James Owens page, I get this: 'Phaedream, Ruby in the Sky are the same as Coefficient of Aural Expansion' Disc 1 [ 1.0] 60:08 Coefficient of Aural Expansion 1 Disc 2 (53:11) [ 1.0] 39:19 Coefficient of Aural Expansion 2 [ 2.0] 13:52 Coefficient of Aural Expansion 3 How's that for another challenge? Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon Jul 31, 2000 9:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Rainers' updated TD fanpage. And a THANK YOU! On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, Feldon Feldon wrote: > >From: Rainer Rutka > > www.rutka.de/td > Rainer, the sony-live-excerpt.mp3 or Potzdamer Platz doesn't seem to bear > any relation to the Sony Topping Out Ceremony mp3 I have. Any ideas? HI! Well, my excerpt is a LIVE-RECORDING and _not_ the studio version! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Jul 31, 2000 1:00 pm Subject: [tadream] Site update Hi all, If any of you out there are interested in drooling over a picture of the very rare 'Cat Scan' promo disc, I have finally put one up on the site, also a better image of the 'Oranges Don't Dance' promo, as well as the following additions of full-sized video cover scans to the film pages: Tribes The Soldier Spasms The Park is Mine Nightmare City Miracle Mile http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon Jul 31, 2000 1:59 pm Subject: RE: Yngve Hi all Looking through the backlog of digests: Many days ago James E. Jacoby' wrote >And Simon, it's interesting that you mentioned Yngwie Malmsteen in your list of >artists who have benefitted from your downloading, because his wife was in my >>>store shopping last week. I asked her specifically how they felt about the MP3 >revolution, and she told me they have some concerns but are confident that those >who accept and evolve with it will be better off in the long run. If I see her >>again I'll let her know about you! James If you ever get a visit by Yngwie (or Yngve rather) say hi from me. We went to the same school and I remember him as one of the most dedicated fellows I've ever come across. He didn't even have time for the lessons, just kept practising on his guitar in that rehearsal room. Many years ago now of course but I'd guess that he recalls if you add that I played keyboards. And what has this got to do with TD??? Nothing at all, sorry for that. Olle Holliday is over and voilá! the sun is visible again. From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Mon Jul 31, 2000 1:32 pm Subject: Re: [KSpassion] : Big news on The Klaus Schulze Website! Holy Shit!! This guy is the 'Real' Energizer bunny...he just keeps going and going and going.... What a promising collection, and loads of Tiepold...can my wallet stand this?? Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: tadream@w... To: KSpassion@egroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 6:29 PM Subject: [KSpassion] : Big news on The Klaus Schulze Website! Klaus is going to release on October 1st a new 10 CD set of all new, unreleased material. I believe the name is Contemporary Classics, it will be available through Manikin Records. ( I'm sure through the usual connections as well). Check it out on http://klaus-schulze.com/ Martyn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Airwave Date: Mon Jul 31, 2000 4:45 pm Subject: New Klaus Schulze Box Set Hi guys. Well it looks like out old friend Klaus Schulze is doing it again. Here's the news. Latest News Ten new Klaus Schulze CDs Klaus Schulze will release a set of 10 new CDs in October 2000. All tracks are new recordings. The set will contain the following CDs: KLAUS SCHULZE The Rhythm Man (78:48) Klaus Schulze (electronics) KLAUS SCHULZE The Crime of Suspense (70:50) KS (electronics), Julia Messenger (voc), Thomas Kagermann (flute, voc, violin) WAHNFRIED Trance 4 Motion (79:08) KS (electronics), Jörg Schaaf (electronics) U.S.O. Privé (64:52) KS (electronics), Ollie O'Finken (guitar), Rasuf (drums) KLAUS SCHULZE and SOLAR MOON SYSTEM Docking (76:03) KS (electronics), Tom Dams (voc, drum loops), Gustave Doskamp (bass, drum loops) KLAUS SCHULZE Ballet I (76:45) KS (electronics), Wolfgang Tiepold (cello) KLAUS SCHULZE Ballet II (74:10) KS (electronics), Wolfgang Tiepold (cello), Thomas Kagermann (flute, violin, voc) KLAUS SCHULZE Ballet III (75:39) KS (electronics), Wolfgang Tiepold (cello), Thomas Kagermann (flute, violin, voc) Tobias Becker (oboe), Tom Dams (voc, atmos), Julia Messenger (voc) KLAUS SCHULZE Ballet IV (67:43) KS (electronics), Wolfgang Tiepold (cello), Thomas Kagermann (flute, violin, voc) KLAUS SCHULZE (and others) Adds 'n' Edits (78:19) Sampler with 16 tracks, containing: Parts of the nine albums above in edited (shorter) versions; four short new tracks; and tracks from an album by 'Solar Moon System' that KS has produced. This set will be released on 1 October 2000 on Manikin Records. Check their website for prices and order information. All the best AirWave. From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Jul 31, 2000 5:14 pm Subject: Tatort music? Hi all, I was viewing e-bay and found this listing: Goodbye Schimmi - Hits aus Schimanski Tatort the URL is: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390817265 I'm guessing it's supposed to be music from 10 years of 'Tatort'. At least one track is supposed to be TD. The ad is in German, and babelfish translates it as 'ski scene'! But I knew what it must be. Any native German speakers care to summarize for us? James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23465 Re: Tatort music? F H Dumay Tue 8/1/2000 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Jul 31, 2000 5:19 pm Subject: amusing listing Just saw an auction listing for Tangerine Dream: Gibbins Club hee hee James From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Jul 31, 2000 5:19 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Tatort music? Have a look at this page, it might point you in the right direction: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/singles/webpages/madchen.html Paul ---------- >De : 'Owens, James' >À : ''tadream'' >Objet : [tadream] Tatort music? >Date : Lun 31 juil 2000 19:14 > > Hi all, > > I was viewing e-bay and found this listing: > Goodbye Schimmi - Hits aus Schimanski Tatort > > the URL is: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390817265 > > I'm guessing it's supposed to be music from 10 years of 'Tatort'. At least > one track is supposed to be TD. The ad is in German, and babelfish > translates it as 'ski scene'! But I knew what it must be. > Any native German speakers care to summarize for us? > > James > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Jul 31, 2000 6:00 pm Subject: RE: Phaedream/Ruby/Coefficient questions Hi Morgan and all, I must apologize for being misleading (aparently) in my tracklisting. My understanding is that Coefficient (as the 2CDR set) is basically identical to Ruby, except that Ruby was re-mastered and re-indexed(?). Both are taken from the FM master tapes, so contain almost the entire concert in near-studio quality, albeit in artificial stereo (mono master). I have not heard Ruby to confirm this, but I consider my source very reliable. I also have not heard Phaedream, but from discussions on the list (and other sources) I have gleaned this (updated) tracklist: PHAEDREAM (same concert as 'Coefficient of Aural Expansion') Recorded April 2, 1975 Royal Albert Hall, London, UK (Track 3 is actually Neuronium, from 'Vuelo Quimico' LP The poem is 'Ulalume' by Edgar Allan Poe, read by Nico) [ 1.0] 12:44 Movement of a Visionary [ 2.0] 20:08 Rubycon (Part II) [ 3.0] 15:53 Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares total time = 48:45 Notice that it now reads 'same CONCERT as 'Coefficient...'' Also notice the newly added note about track 3! (taken from a discussion on this list a few weeks ago). I have been told that the LP of this is a rather poor recording. I'm sorry I can't help more on the Ruby tracklisting. If someone with more info could provide a cross-reference between Ruby and Coefficient, I would gladly add the information to the tracklist and correct the listing. Thanks, James From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Mon Jul 31, 2000 6:13 pm Subject: Re.D:Soundtrack[Oasis] I just love this CD apart from Cedar Breaks which is pretty boring the rest is much more enterprising the three stound out tracks are Waterborne which is probably very close to being there best track of the 90's,Flashflood and Summer Storm are not far behind the remainder are pretty good which makes this apart from Thief my favourite soundtrack album. Cheers Gary. From: Oscar Dean Date: Mon Jul 31, 2000 10:39 pm Subject: Okefenokee CD-R Just got my copy of this disc today. Great music Marcel and Dave. Wonderful sequencing and analogue sounds! Thanks Vic! Oscar NP: Jarre - 12 Dreams of the Sun From: 'twosheds' Date: Mon Jul 31, 2000 10:55 pm Subject: Re: Concert venues >If you could have Tangerine Dream play anywhere in the World and at any >venue you wanted , What and where would it be ? My backyard? I could fit maybe 100 people back there, as long as their bladders were large. :-) Actually, I'd like to see them play Severance Hall, home of the Cleveland Orchestra. It's visually and aurally stunning, and their music would be a perfect accompaniment to a wonderful venue. Failing that, Nelson Ledges Quarry Park would be cool. (Joe, are you with me on this one?) Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23468 Concert venues olle.rundgren@s... Wed 8/2/2000 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 2:59 am Subject: 'D: Soundtrack [ Oasis ]' Gary, I'm with you on this one. I thought that this CD was excellent overall. I too didn't care too much for 'Cedar Breaks', but I'd also probably throw out 'Zion'. Seven out of nine tracks is a pretty good average. It's a toss up which I like better between Oasis and Canyon Dreams. Both excellent IMO. Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Scribe1964@a... Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 3:28 am Subject: D: Soundtrack [ Oasis ] I think this is one of the best of the recent TD recordings. My favorite tracks are Zion, Waterborne & Cedar Breaks. -Scribe From: 'Simon Slator' Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 9:13 am Subject: New album online Hello fellow TaDream fans. I've completed my fourth installation of self-penned Electronic Music and is ready to go live on Mp3.com any day now (it was supposed to be ready today, but for some reason, it's unavailable). The CD is called 'The Mosaic Effect', it has 5 tracks and runs for just over 42 minutes. As an incentive, I've set up a filestream whereby you can stream lo-fi mp3s of all the tracks on the album. They're encoded in 24Kbps, so even if you own a 56k modem, they should stream properly. To hear it - go to http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/~c9713101/mosaic/mosaiceffect.m3u The tracks are as follows: 1. As The Clocks Struck Midnight (10:44) - melodic, sequencer driven EM w. pounding intro. 2. Subtlety Defined (4:30) - soothing melodic ambience. 3. Far Beyond The Light Fantastic (4:50) - percussive EM with an powerful epic finale 4. Paper Aeroplanes (4:15) - freefall ambience 5. The Mosaic Effect (17:55) - long EM epic with shades of TD, Oldfield and Vangelis. If you like what you hear, please invest in a copy of the CD, which will be available from http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject real soon. Also, please send any comments and/or feedback to simon@s... as it will be most appreciated. Thanks - hope you enjoy 'The Mosaic Effect' Simon Slator. ============== Simon Slator Website: http://www.simonslator.co.uk Download my own music at: http://www.mp3.com/simonslatorproject [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 10:20 am Subject: RE:Ruby in the sky Still working my way through the digests, this I found in no. 571: >Heiko wrote: >oops. >It's from their live performance at the London Royal Albert Hall from >02.04.1975. It was broadcasted on BBC radio 3 (in 1989?), the whole concert >had a length of about 115 minutes. Does this mean that Coefficient of aural expansion covers the whole concert? Olle From: 'colin anderson' Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 10:57 am Subject: D: Antique Dreams Just received this today, had a few listens and must admit that it's pretty damned good - but as an overall package. As Goozer and Morgan have already said, some ugly and obvious tweeking and fiddling has been done here and there and the editing error at about 1:38 on Flock is an absolute shocker. On Speed Dragon, there's a helluva lot of pips and clicks right through it and I was fooled at first into thinking that it sounded like vinyl scratches. Played it again, then again, then yet again, and began to seriously think that it sounded like a vinyl recording. Came back to the daily digests, read Goozer's review and I was stunned to see his similar thoughts about vinyl scratching noises. Spooky coincidence - or is it? One for us all to muse upon for sure, but maybe one of Edgar's deliberate jokes. As for Edinburgh Castle - I was at the same concert in Glasgow the next night and it definitely did NOT have EC as an encore as there was no encore - the two sets were played and that was it, as with Edinburgh (according to sources). In summary - ignore the poor overdubs, the dodgy liner notes, the track that claims to be from '85 but isn't and you're left with a td release that's well worth getting. Point of query re unreleased tracks and what should have made it onto AD. In the '86 UK tour book discography section, there's a cover shown (no.15) that has the Virgin logo in a green circle on an orange background with 'Tangerine Dream'. The description of it is 'Virgin Logo' with the record number '3D TD 4U OK'. Anyone shed some light on this and what's on it? From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 12:21 pm Subject: Ashra Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:46:33 +0100 Glynn Naughton wrote: >Amid all the talk about _Antique Dreams_, the new Ashra live album, _Gin >Rose at the Royal Festival Hall_ has slipped by unnoticed. I had plans to go to Berlin on the 21st of July for the Ashra concert but didn't. If anyone else did and would care to write a review I'd be most interested to read it. Olle From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 2:18 pm Subject: Prices for the NEW Klaus SCHULZE 10CD BOX SET Hi all, the price for the new 10CD-Box Set is here in Germany: DM 250 (without shipping) bye Heiko Neumann Markt 13 39288 Burg Germany NEUMANN.H-J@t... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 2:27 pm Subject: Seven letters from Tibet Hi, today I received the new CD: Seven letters from Tibet. Great, fantastic Music, the best at this moment and this year from Tangerine Dream. Not enough informationen insight the cover. It is a simple cover. Best wishes Heiko Neumann Markt 13 39288 Burg Germany NEUMANN.H-J@t... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23456 Re: Official spam: Dream Mixes Special Event!!!!! TDI - Martin K. Tue 8/1/2000 3 KB From: 'TDI - Martin K.' Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 3:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Official spam: Dream Mixes Special Event!!!!! TDI MUSIC present: Ground Liftaz Unfortunately, we had to postpone the planned release- date of the long- awaited Dream Mixes III- album, but we have something to offer that might make the wait a little shorter. On Saturday, October 28th, TDI MUSIC are proud to announce a very special club- event: Ground Liftaz at the Kalkscheune, Berlin  an evening of Dream Mixes, Drum & Bass and world exclusive TD- dance- extravaganzas. The party will be hosted by DJ Rome, who most of you will easily recognise as Jerome Froese of Tangerine Dream, and DJ Rescue, a name from the local drum & bass- scene. We will have lots of attractions to get you off your feet and even more to keep you going  whether you´re a TD- fan or just long for a club- experience that sticks out of the usual. You will get: Þ a world- exclusive first preview of tracks from the upcoming Dream Mixes III- album. Þ exclusive Tangerine Dream- Mixes that you will never hear again anywhere else. Þ the launch of the TDI- sublabel: Ground Liftaz. Þ some damn hot Drum & Bass- tunes. Þ some special surprises and merchandise. Details are to be announced. Be prepared to experience a facet of TD and TDI MUSIC that you have not experienced before and get ready for some serious beats to keep your feet from touching the ground! Saturday, October 28th Kalkscheune Johannisstr. 2 Berlin- Mitte U & S Friedrichstr. Doors Open: 10 p.m. (this is a dance event, not a concert!) Best regards, Martin K. TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tdi-music-mall.de Have a nice day! From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 3:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Thought I was confused BEFORE! clarification: talking about boot content is fine. just don't trade on-list. Thanks, Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] ... > For this not to be a bootleg list, I can't help but ask these > questions... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 3:43 pm Subject: D:Soundtrack [Firestarter] Hello everyone, I have recently bought Firestarter LP and here are some comments about it: Crystal Voice - It reminded me of Schmoelling's Matjora is Still Alive... I wonder if he composed this piece. The Run - classic TD's repetition of notes all the time - it's a great track. It has the same mood as Central Park. Testlab - a bit random sountracky track, but it's not bad. Charly the Kid - sounds like the main track of the album. I prefer the first two, but this one is good too. Escaping Point - another soundtrack sounding track. I haven't played side two yet (I have the turntable plugged to the soundcard, so I was recording the wav as I heard the LP. Then I had to set the tracks limits of the 21-minute wave to later record the CDR... it's a bit of work). It's time for lunch, and later maybe I say something about side 2. Overall it was a nice album (I mean, side). Not their best work, but it's nice. Jobim, replaying Esc.Point Gustavo Jobim (gustavfj@m...) TDMOKWITJMJPGKSQRV. From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 3:58 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [Firestarter] > > Gustavo Jobim (gustavfj@m...) > TDMOKWITJMJPGKSQRV. Is this some kind of ancient language, scanning code or does it have any deeper meaning?????? =o) Jan From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 4:00 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [Firestarter] >> Gustavo Jobim (gustavfj@m...) >> TDMOKWITJMJPGKSQRV. > >Is this some kind of ancient language, scanning code or does it have any deeper meaning?????? > >=o) >Jan TD is Tangerine Dream MO is Mike Oldfield KW is Kraftwerk IT is ?? JMJ is Jean Michel Jarre PG is ?? KS is Klaus Schulze QRV is ?? Just a guess. glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23462 Re: SV: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [Firestarter] kevine@c... Tue 8/1/2000 2 KB 23463 Re: SV: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [Firestarter] Craig Chambers Tue 8/1/2000 3 KB 23480 Re: SV: TDMOKW... QR (was Firestarter) Gustavo Jobim Thu 8/3/2000 2 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Official spam: Dream Mixes Special Event!!!!! The launch of the Liftaz label is interesting...I presume that this will give Jerome an outlet for his club music sensibilities, leaving TDI to handle reissues and Edgar's more neo-classical leanings. I suppose it'll also give the Froeses the opportunity to sign other artists, which could be interesting. (I'm still hoping that they can find a way to reissue some of Johannes Schmoelling's stuff) It's shame I can't be there to see this show. I'd like to see just how far Jerome can push TD's sound towards true club music. Nothing they've done yet is truly dance floor ready, but I'm prepared to be surprised. Can anyone on the list verify that DJ Rescue is actually an independent DJ? If so, I'm pleased. I think they need a true DnB connoiseur to lay down some phat beats in da mix. Yo yo. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23655 Re: Official spam: Dream Mixes Special Event!!!!! Heiko Heerssen Tue 8/15/2000 2 KB 23656 Re: Official spam: Dream Mixes Special Event!!!!! Rainer Rutka Tue 8/15/2000 2 KB 23665 Re: Official spam: Dream Mixes Special Event!!!!! Patrik . Thu 8/17/2000 2 KB From: kevine@c... Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 5:10 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [Firestarter] > TD is Tangerine Dream > MO is Mike Oldfield > KW is Kraftwerk > IT is ?? > JMJ is Jean Michel Jarre PG is -- Peter Gabriel > KS is Klaus Schulze Q is Queen (maybe) R is Rush (maybe) V is Vangelis Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 4:49 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [Firestarter] IT.... Isao Tomita ----- Original Message ----- From: kevine@c... To: tadream@egroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 1:10 PM Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] D:Soundtrack [Firestarter] > TD is Tangerine Dream > MO is Mike Oldfield > KW is Kraftwerk > IT is ?? > JMJ is Jean Michel Jarre PG is -- Peter Gabriel > KS is Klaus Schulze Q is Queen (maybe) R is Rush (maybe) V is Vangelis Kevin Earley IBM DB2 UDB Connectivity Service (416) 448-3317 kevine@c... Visit our support Web Site: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/winos2unix/support ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23480 Re: SV: TDMOKW... QR (was Firestarter) Gustavo Jobim Thu 8/3/2000 2 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 8:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Thought I was confused BEFORE! I know I have asked before but how can I get a copy of this? Phil.> Disc 1 > [ 1.0] 60:08 Coefficient of Aural Expansion 1 > > Disc 2 (53:11) > [ 1.0] 39:19 Coefficient of Aural Expansion 2 > [ 2.0] 13:52 Coefficient of Aural Expansion 3 > From: 'F H Dumay' Date: Tue Aug 1, 2000 9:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tatort music? Well, i looked for you at the URL you have supplied; The orofinal text was - 'CD, guter Zustand, Goodbye Schimmi - Die Hits aus 10 Jahren Schimanski Tatort. - Bonnie Tylor, Chris Norman, Klaus Lage, Tangerine Dream....., Versandkosten DM - 3,50' It says that is a CD in mint condition, containing the best hits from 10 years of 'Tatort' ( a german 'Krimi' ~ Detective/Police television series.). Artists featured on this CD are (well, you can read the names yourself, ofcourse) Package & Posting will cost you 3 1/2 German marks. Not bad for a non-native german speaker (I'm dutch, so it should be close enough) Regards Fabien Dumay From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Wed Aug 2, 2000 4:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Promotional Copies NEUMANN.H-J@t... wrote: > Hi, > > today I received the new CD: Seven letters from Tibet. > > Great, fantastic Music, the best at this moment and this year from Tangerine Dream. Not enough informationen insight the cover. It is a simple cover. This reminds me of a question I've been wanting to ask. How does a simple music store manager like myself go about getting promotional copies of new TDI releases? I'm used to just being able to call up WEA or Sony, etc., to make a simple request, but I don't know how to go about it with TDI. And are there provisions for P.O.P. material? And just the other day I had to sell my copy of 'Great Wall of China' because I was playing it instore and one of my browsing customers fell in love with it! There's no better music to begin a retail day with... kind've like cleaning the palette for the rest of the shift. James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23467 Re: TD Promotional Copies Michael A Jean Wed 8/2/2000 3 KB 23482 Re: TD Promotional Copies NEUMANN.H-J@t... Thu 8/3/2000 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Aug 2, 2000 12:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD Promotional Copies oh that brings back memories...Sometimes I miss my days as a record store manager.... MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: James E. Jacoby [mailto:galador@m...] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:40 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Promotional Copies > > > > > NEUMANN.H-J@t... wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > today I received the new CD: Seven letters from Tibet. > > > > Great, fantastic Music, the best at this moment and this year > from Tangerine Dream. Not enough informationen insight the cover. > It is a simple cover. > > This reminds me of a question I've been wanting to ask. How does > a simple music store manager like myself go about getting > promotional copies of new > TDI releases? I'm used to just being able to call up WEA or > Sony, etc., to make a simple request, but I don't know how to go > about it with TDI. And > are there provisions for P.O.P. material? > > And just the other day I had to sell my copy of 'Great Wall of > China' because I was playing it instore and one of my browsing > customers fell in love > with it! There's no better music to begin a retail day with... > kind've like cleaning the palette for the rest of the shift. > > James > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Wed Aug 2, 2000 3:48 pm Subject: Concert venues > >If you could have Tangerine Dream play anywhere in the World and at any> venue you wanted , What >>where would it be ? >Poul Erik wrote: >For me it would definetly be somewhere in Denmark, or in southern Sweden maybe ! They owe scandinavia one afterall, don't they ? Absolutely Poul, we have been waiting too many years. In terms of venue though I was thinking of something like the Globe Arena in Stockholm. Too big probably, but something similar and smaller maybe? ---and out of curiosity---: Tom W wrote on July 25th: >...called the radio station (WFMU, at the time Uppsala College's >(New Jersey, USA) free-form radio station) >>best radio station in the usa... That's interesting. So You have Uppsala as well in the States. I already knew that there are two or three cities by the name of Stockholm. Now don't tell me that there is a Sundbyberg as well; If so I'll seriously consider relocating, provided that it is located in the warmer part of the country. Olle From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Aug 2, 2000 11:15 pm Subject: Soundmill Navigator Apologies if this has already been covered, but I'm a newbie here and the eGroups message archive is refusing to co-operate. ;-) I've just picked up Soundmill Navigator. I'd heard that there was a serious defect on the mastering tapes, and sure enough my copy has a truly awful flickering hiss bouncing between the left and right channels. I was horrified at just how bad it was. However, I've heard from a few other people who claim that their copies are crystal clear. I'd assumed that Edgar and co had just decided to ignore the problem and release the concert anyway, but now I'm wondering if there are just a few dodgy copies circulating. Can anyone here shed any light on this? Cheers, Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23470 Re: Soundmill Navigator Sean Harvey Wed 8/2/2000 3 KB 23471 Re: Soundmill Navigator Steve Wed 8/2/2000 2 KB 23478 Re: Soundmill Navigator Michael A Jean Thu 8/3/2000 3 KB From: Sean Harvey Date: Wed Aug 2, 2000 11:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator >I've just picked up Soundmill Navigator. I'd heard that there was a serious >defect on the mastering tapes, and sure enough my copy has a truly awful >flickering hiss bouncing between the left and right channels. I was horrified at >just how bad it was. >However, I've heard from a few other people who claim that their copies are >crystal clear. I'd assumed that Edgar and co had just decided to ignore the >problem and release the concert anyway, but now I'm wondering if there are just >a few dodgy copies circulating. Can anyone here shed any light on this? I don't know about anyone else, but I can confirm that my copy has the defect. It's not as noticeable when I use my CD player/cheap speakers combo in the computer room, but try listening to it on headphones? Not a chance! I find the ambient noise of the room, etc. tends to soak some of it up. I can still notice it, but not nearly as bad. I haven't tried in on the main stereo system in the living room, as the roommate's always here, and the level I want to play it at is a bit loud. It's an amazing concert, though. I can't get enough of it, tangentization be damned. I never heard the real concert, so it's all good in my book. In fact, I think I'll put it on right now! From: 'Steve' Date: Wed Aug 2, 2000 11:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator Maff said: > However, I've heard from a few other people who claim that their > copies are crystal clear. I got SN a couple of weeks ago and can hear no trace at all of this problem. However, I do know that I stop hearing a rising tone earlier than most other people. To all intents and purposes my hearing is fine - it's just very high frequencies I can't hear. Is the problem noise very high-pitched? I'd been wary of buying SN because of the problem and the complaints about tangentisation, but have to say that I'm delighted with it: it's replaced Poland as my favourite live album. On the other hand, I bought Sohoman at the same time and haven't been so disappointed with a live album since Livemiles. Plodding and clumsy are the kindest things I can say about it. Steve Graphics: http://www.beartrap.dircon.co.uk/bryce/ Zeus: http://www.beardog.cwc.net/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23478 Re: Soundmill Navigator Michael A Jean Thu 8/3/2000 3 KB From: _lhooq@e... Date: Wed Aug 2, 2000 11:30 pm Subject: Early 'heads-up' re: *Sealed* 'Electronic Orgy' on ebay next week! Keep your collective eyes peeled...I'll be back with the link once the auction's started. Best, Lhooq From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Aug 2, 2000 11:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator From: Steve > > I got SN a couple of weeks ago and can hear no trace at all > of this problem. However, I do know that I stop hearing a > rising tone earlier than most other people. To all intents > and purposes my hearing is fine - it's just very high > frequencies I can't hear. Is the problem noise very > high-pitched? Hmmm... the mysery deepens. I don't know if I'd describe it as 'high-pitched'. It's a flickering hissing noise, constant throught the whole CD, repeatedly bouncing between the two sound channels. It's not subtle, either. On my copy fhe problem is most noticeable over headphones, but still easily spotted when played over speakers at even a moderate volume. I knew SN had a problem before I bought it, but I was *very* shocked at how pronounced it was. Maybe Jerome fell asleep while doing the mastering ;-) > I'd been wary of buying SN because of the problem and > the complaints about tangentisation, but have to say that > I'm delighted with it: it's replaced Poland as my favourite live > album. On the other hand, I bought Sohoman at > the same time and haven't been so disappointed with a > live album since Livemiles. Plodding and clumsy are the > kindest things I can say about it. Sohoman would have been a really nice album if not for the stingy way TD are releasing old material. Of the five tracks, 'Convention of the 24' we've already got, 'White Eagle' wasn't even played live, 'Logos' sounds terrible here, 'Ayers Majestic' is incredibly muddled and 'Bondy Parade' lacks Edgars Guitar work. Very disapointing. Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23476 Re: Soundmill Navigator Steve Thu 8/3/2000 4 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Aug 3, 2000 12:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator >From: 'Matthew Sawyer' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator >Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:44:35 +0100 > > >Hmmm... the mysery deepens. I don't know if I'd describe it as >'high-pitched'. >It's a flickering hissing noise, constant throught the whole CD, repeatedly >bouncing between the two sound channels. It's not subtle, either. On my >copy fhe >problem is most noticeable over headphones, but still easily spotted when >played >over speakers at even a moderate volume. I knew SN had a problem before I >bought it, but I was *very* shocked at how pronounced it was. Maybe Jerome >fell >asleep while doing the mastering ;-) The sound is probably very noticable to people with high-end stereo equipment and musically-inclined ears. There's nothing wrong with being just a 'regular' listener, if anything, the 'regular' listener is unburdened by such qualms. I don't know if Jerome was involved in the production or not, but a couple of list members who have fiddled around with sound equalization software on their home computers have successfully eliminated the sound and hiss from Soundmill Navigator. Unfortunately, they're not talking! The most we've gotten is 'it was a lot of steps and settings that couldn't be reproduced because they were determined much the same way a true chef determines if a dish is good or not--by taste, not by the recipe!' Anyway, I just pop in the crackly, hissy original fantape and enjoy. Antique Dreams was the first time Edgar has given us untouched vintage material since um, ever! Morgan > > I'd been wary of buying SN because of the problem and > > the complaints about tangentisation, but have to say that > > I'm delighted with it: it's replaced Poland as my favourite live > > album. On the other hand, I bought Sohoman at > > the same time and haven't been so disappointed with a > > live album since Livemiles. Plodding and clumsy are the > > kindest things I can say about it. > >Sohoman would have been a really nice album if not for the stingy way TD >are >releasing old material. Of the five tracks, 'Convention of the 24' we've >already >got, 'White Eagle' wasn't even played live, 'Logos' sounds terrible here, >'Ayers >Majestic' is incredibly muddled and 'Bondy Parade' lacks Edgars Guitar >work. >Very disapointing. > > >Maff > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Thu Aug 3, 2000 12:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator From: 'Matthew Sawyer' To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:15 AM Subject: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator > I've just picked up Soundmill Navigator. I'd heard that there was a serious > defect on the mastering tapes, and sure enough my copy has a truly awful Hi Maff yep its a World Wide problem TDI were asked about the problem but as usual didnt come up with a satisfactory expaination . Best thing to do is do as I did and use it for target practice , I got a bigger thrill watching it burst into hundreds of tiny pieces thab I ever did listening to it :-) Regards Carl ' Orch ' # ICQ 38818818 From: 'Steve' Date: Thu Aug 3, 2000 12:30 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator Maf said: > Hmmm... the mysery deepens. I don't know if I'd describe it as 'high-pitched'. > It's a flickering hissing noise, constant throught the whole CD, repeatedly > bouncing between the two sound channels. It's not subtle, either. It's obviously too subtle for me :) I don't think I've ever had such an immediate positive response to a TD album as I'm having to Soundmill. Rubycon, my favourite, took several years to seduce its way into my essential list. Soundmill, for me, shares a lot of emotional space with Rubycon. > Sohoman would have been a really nice album if not for the stingy way TD are > releasing old material. Of the five tracks, 'Convention of the 24' we've already > got, 'White Eagle' wasn't even played live, 'Logos' sounds terrible here, 'Ayers > Majestic' is incredibly muddled and 'Bondy Parade' lacks Edgars > Guitar work. Convention was never one of my favourites, and here it's performed 'by numbers'. It feels very mechanical. While the version of White Eagle is pretty, it doesn't fit. It arrives with a feeling of 'hey, let's drop in a greatest hit' and leaves with a feeling 'I don't want to do this any more'. Ayers Majestic lacks (pause) well, an awful lot. Logos is clumsy and overstated compared to the other official live version - also, this section of Logos doesn't gel with its surroundings. By the way, does anyone else think that Depeche Mode stole part of Logos part 2 for Blasphemous Rumours? I can't say anything about Bondi Parade because I've usually switched off by then. Perhaps Sohoman has suffered by arriving in the same post as Soundmill Navigator... A little later Morgan said re SN: 'The sound is probably very noticable to people with high-end stereo equipment and musically-inclined ears. There's nothing wrong with being just a 'regular' listener, if anything, the 'regular' listener is unburdened by such qualms.' hehe - I'm so glad I've got a crap stereo! 'Musically-inclined ears'? True, I don't hear the sound problem on SN. I have to believe that it's so high-pitched I can't hear it (though when I'm following a score when listening to classical music I've yet to have an instrument fall silent when it shouldn't), or that my copy escaped the problem (make me an offer), or that I unconsciously screen it out (and living where I do, you soon learn to screen out extraneous noise!). If 'musically-inclined' is meant to bring to mind a certain euphemism of a few decades ago, I can assure you that my ears are just as homosexual as the rest of me :) Steve Graphics: http://www.beartrap.dircon.co.uk/bryce/ Zeus: http://www.beardog.cwc.net/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Aug 3, 2000 1:39 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator >From: 'Steve' > > > Sohoman would have been a really nice album if not for the stingy way TD >are > > releasing old material. Of the five tracks, 'Convention of the 24' we've >already > > got, 'White Eagle' wasn't even played live Um, actually I've always preferred the live versions of White Eagle and Chronzon to the ones on CD. They have more feeling and ambience. It could just be that fantapes pick up the acoustics of the concert hall but I'll always pick them over the one on the CD which is downright sterile. >'Logos' sounds terrible here, I think it's hurt by the additions. >'Ayers > > Majestic' is incredibly muddled Agreed >and 'Bondy Parade' lacks Edgars > > Guitar work. There are VERY energetic versions of Bondy Parade, specifically Three Tier Dream disc 2. I encourage people to listen to it. > >Convention was never one of my favourites, and here it's performed 'by >numbers'. It feels very mechanical. While the version of White Eagle is >pretty, it doesn't fit. It arrives with a feeling of 'hey, let's drop in a >greatest hit' and leaves with a feeling 'I don't want to do this any more'. >Ayers Majestic lacks (pause) well, an awful lot. Logos is clumsy and >overstated compared to the other official live version - also, this section >of Logos doesn't gel with its surroundings. Not to burst your bubble, but Sohoman, other than the tangentization, is a standard issue 1982 concert. That is really how the first half of your typical 1982 concert went! So you would have been equally disappointed if you'd been sitting in the 3rd row at the actual concert! >I can't say anything about Bondi Parade because I've usually switched off >by >then. Perhaps Sohoman has suffered by arriving in the same post as >Soundmill >Navigator... I think you would like the really good versions of Bondy Parade. Morgan 'why be straight?' M. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23483 SN/okef. mengels@w... Thu 8/3/2000 3 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu Aug 3, 2000 2:56 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator I guess we can always turn down the treble... > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve [mailto:beartrap@d...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 6:26 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator > > > Maff said: > > > However, I've heard from a few other people who claim that their > > copies are crystal clear. > > I got SN a couple of weeks ago and can hear no trace at all of > this problem. > However, I do know that I stop hearing a rising tone earlier than > most other > people. To all intents and purposes my hearing is fine - it's > just very high > frequencies I can't hear. Is the problem noise very high-pitched? > > I'd been wary of buying SN because of the problem and the complaints about > tangentisation, but have to say that I'm delighted with it: it's replaced > Poland as my favourite live album. On the other hand, I bought Sohoman at > the same time and haven't been so disappointed with a live album since > Livemiles. Plodding and clumsy are the kindest things I can say about it. > > Steve > > Graphics: http://www.beartrap.dircon.co.uk/bryce/ > Zeus: http://www.beardog.cwc.net/ > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Aug 2, 2000 10:45 pm Subject: White Cloths and Bristol 1980 I just wanted to ask if the debate over the January 31, 1980 concert has ever been resolved? I mean, how many other concerts were recorded between the time Johannes joined and fall of 1980 when they adopted an almost entirely new setlist? If the material on cassette 2 of White Cloths is distinct from cassette 1 and the two are also distinct from Pergamon and Quichotte, then cassette 2 must have the afternoon material. Maybe I am wrong. I have not heard any early-to-mid 1980 concerts. Also, I just got a recording totalling 80 minutes (and part of the first set is cut off so I don't know the total length) labeled Rare Nov 1980 Preston. Distinguishing features include a 5 minute track which can only be described as 'Atari Bridge'. Aside from bridge-like strings and other such sounds, there are what can only be described as Arcade game-type Atari sounds. Very crude warbling electronic sounds that sound like they're out of Galaga or some other 1980's Atari arcade game. Very unusual. Also prevalent on this recording in the second set is a track which can only be described as a loud clock wildly going out of control. Very odd and not on any of the major compilations (SOD, RDE, EO). Any clues? Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Gustavo Jobim' Date: Thu Aug 3, 2000 4:04 am Subject: Re: SV: TDMOKW... QR (was Firestarter) heheheeh that was clever! actually, PG is Philip Glass, and QR is Quaterna Réquiem, a Brazilian progressive [excellent] rock band from Rio, Brazil, the same city where I live. You can find some music excerpts at their page: http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palladium/7482/quaterna.htm They have influences of several progrock artists, including ELP and M.Oldfield. And if you haven't guessed, those names from TDMOKW..... are my favourite musicians, so far. They're great, aren't they? At least IMO. --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Craig Chambers' wrote: > IT.... > > Isao Tomita > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kevine@c... > > TD is Tangerine Dream > > MO is Mike Oldfield > > KW is Kraftwerk > > IT is ?? > > JMJ is Jean Michel Jarre > PG is -- Peter Gabriel > > KS is Klaus Schulze > Q is Queen (maybe) > R is Rush (maybe) > V is Vangelis From: 'Gustavo Jobim' Date: Thu Aug 3, 2000 4:18 am Subject: Schulze countdown Hello folks, A couple of weeks ago I started the KS countdown. I already have a Royal Fest. Hall Vol.1 that I rented and copied in a CDR, but I guess it doesn't really count, so I'm counting the miliseconds until early September, when X arrives from Germany... (aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgh!) If desperate wait killed, I'd have died many times. BTW, I'd like to ask you who know KS a question: does he uses symetric structures in his music? Because I'm starting to make some symetric music, and I don't know if that's a Glass influence or a Schulze influence. Maybe Glass... Or maybe no influence at all (which I don't believe) JobimiboJ From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Thu Aug 3, 2000 6:45 am Subject: RE: TD Promotional Copies Hi all, this Copy of the new TD CD: The Seven letters from Tibet is not a 'Promotional Copy', but it is a Review-Version for Writers from Magazins or others Reviewers. No Promotional statemant on Cover, CD-label or CD-Case. TDI Music said that the label is too small to produce extra Promo-CDs. They are very big Producecosts for a Promo-CD. Do you have more Questions about 'Seven letters' . Please write me offline. Bye Heiko NEUMANN.H-J@t... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: mengels@w... Date: Thu Aug 3, 2000 8:17 am Subject: SN/okef. --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: It's a recording everybody should have at least listened too. It's superb...as good as Logos and maybe even better. > Morgan 'why be straight?' M. Well, some of us like that whining that most girls do. Other then that...:-) I want to say something about the Okefenokee CDR. It started out as a CDR but it now seems it will be a regular CD. It will be released by Groove. The response to the CDR was more then we expected and as much as we like burning CDRs and cutting the covers etc, it sure is easier when it's a regular CD which also looks better. Not sure when it will be ready but it will be ready before E-Live (probably even sooner). We (Vic, Dave and I) already sold a few CDRs and now it's being released as a regular CD...so I'm not sure how to keep the people who already have the CDR happy. We could offer it for half of the price or something like that...I'm not really sure what to do yet. I just don't hope you feel like you're being ripped off. No tangentization will take place though, only the mastering facilities of Groove. :-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels (/okefenokee) Email :mengels@w... From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Aug 3, 2000 12:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator hi matt, on my copy i can hear it if i put my ear to the speaker and really try. otherwise i don't hear it. we also listened to it at vic's house with marcel, dave and james and had the same results. all i can say is we really have bad hearing, or you and a few others have Superman hearing, or there are different mastered copies floating around. tom On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:15:15 Matthew Sawyer wrote: > >Apologies if this has already been covered, but I'm a newbie here and the >eGroups message archive is refusing to co-operate. ;-) > >I've just picked up Soundmill Navigator. I'd heard that there was a serious >defect on the mastering tapes, and sure enough my copy has a truly awful >flickering hiss bouncing between the left and right channels. I was horrified at >just how bad it was. > >However, I've heard from a few other people who claim that their copies are >crystal clear. I'd assumed that Edgar and co had just decided to ignore the >problem and release the concert anyway, but now I'm wondering if there are just >a few dodgy copies circulating. Can anyone here shed any light on this? > >Cheers, > >Maff > > > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu Aug 3, 2000 1:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator > on my copy i can hear it if i put my ear to the speaker and really try. otherwise i don't hear it. we also listened to it at vic's house with marcel, dave and james and had the same results. all i can say is we really have bad hearing, or you and a few others have Superman hearing, or there are different mastered copies floating around. tom I have a pretty good system at home, and it's very noticible on that -- headphones, definitely. On my PC speakers at work and home, it sounds fine (but then I don't crank it at work). I'm not going to say I have super-hearing, but when I'm deliberately listening to music, I'm pretty good at picking out superfulous noises and such. That's why I have a problem with that _Sonombulistic_ CD; I hear all those folks just chatting away on the album, and I can't tell them to shut the hell up! - jimbo From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Aug 3, 2000 1:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator hi jim, i really don't think it has anything to do with the quality of the rig. Vic has a real high dollar system, and mine ain't exactly cheap. plus i have a four speaker set up and my listening chair is dead center and i still don't hear it to the point of distraction. now, the headphones i haven;t tried. i'll break out the Synheisers when i get home and give you a follow up. if i still don't hear it well maybe i'll give Beltone a call and take their hearing test. tom > >I have a pretty good system at home, and it's very noticible on that -- >headphones, >definitely. On my PC speakers at work and home, it sounds fine (but then I >don't >crank it at work). > >I'm not going to say I have super-hearing, but when I'm deliberately >listening to >music, I'm pretty good at picking out superfulous noises and such. That's >why I >have a problem with that _Sonombulistic_ CD; I hear all those folks just >chatting away >on the album, and I can't tell them to shut the hell up! > >- jimbo > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Thu Aug 3, 2000 1:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator From: tom george > on my copy i can hear it if i put my ear to the speaker and really try. > otherwise i don't hear it. we also listened to it at vic's house with > marcel, dave and james and had the same results. all i can say is we > really have bad hearing, or you and a few others have Superman > hearing, or there are different mastered copies floating around. Thanks Tom. Either I've got superhuman hearing, or I'm just too picky for my own good ;-) Maff From: Fredrik Sundström Date: Thu Aug 3, 2000 2:24 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator > on my copy i can hear it if i put my ear to the speaker and really try. > otherwise i don't hear it. we also listened to it at vic's house with > marcel, dave and james and had the same results. all i can say is we > really have bad hearing, or you and a few others have Superman > hearing, or there are different mastered copies floating around. Hi! I can hear the flickering hissing noise perfectly clear, both on my Denon stereo and my portable Sony Discman, starting at about 3.15 into the track and throughout the the whole track. I don´t consider that I have got superman hearing... but I appreciate good sound quality a lot. Fredrik Sundström Göteborg, Sweden From: TG Date: Thu Aug 3, 2000 8:34 pm Subject: RE: Soundmill Navigator Hey folks, thanks for the discussion on that. I planned to go tomorrow to the store to bring my bad copy of SN back. I bought this a week ago. But on different CD-systems (in car, home Hifi audio or on the PC) I've heard that periodic flickering alternating between Left and Right. I am still a little bit confused. The sample on TDI http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/soundmill.html sounds clean. Some of you have not yet got this flickering. Maybe it could be a problem of CD production? Could someone from TDI (Martin K.?) comment on this? Thanks, Torsten From: Jared White Date: Thu Aug 3, 2000 10:02 pm Subject: Seven Letters from Tibet: Available August 29 Hi, folks, Well, it looks like Seven Letters from Tibet will be in stores (at least online stores) August 29. I, for one, can hardly wait. Judging from the previously released 'Lhasa' on Quinoa (a piece I just adore), as well as the new sound clips on TDI's Web site, this is going to be one very unique and exciting work by the masters of electronic music: Tangerine Dream! May the Dream live on forever! Regards, Jared From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Thu Aug 3, 2000 11:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Soundmill Navigator From: TG > I am still a little bit confused. The sample on TDI > http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/soundmill.html > sounds clean. The TDI except is in Real Media format. The sample rate is so low, you're lucky if you can hear the music itself, let alone any distortions. ;-) Perhaps someone here who thinks they have a copy of SN without the problem could mp3 a short excerpt and upload it somewhere? That'd be the best way to find out if it's a mastering problem or a manufacturing cockup. Maff From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Fri Aug 4, 2000 2:26 am Subject: Attention: Klaus Schulze fans I just got this from Archie of Eurock and thougt I would pass it along. THE HIGHLANDER >From: 'Archie Patterson' >Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:13:38 -0700 >Hola! > >Two great new *Special Offers* have been added to the Web Catalog. > >Klaus Schulze - CONTEMPORARY WORKS 1 (10 CD box set) > >Robert Fox & David Wright - BLUE (4 CD box set) > >Also the EUROCK CD-ROM is getting closer! > >Check the site pronto as pre-orders are being taken now! > >Archie > >http://www.eurock.com From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Aug 4, 2000 9:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Soundmill Navigator TG wrote: > > Could someone from TDI (Martin K.?) comment on this? He did it already. The following message was posted here on April 4, 2000 by Glenn Reinicke: > Well, I decided to ask the good people at TDI what the problem is with SN > and they kindly responded. I for one am pleased that TDI is releasing old > stuff and will definitely support them, even if it is tangentized and has > some defects. I'd rather have a slightly less than perfect release than have > Edgar shelve the project over imperfections, which he could have easily > done. If we want to see more of these releases in the future, maybe we > should email our support to TDI rather than rail against them (yet again!). > FYI: there used to be a great article on the Wendy Carlos website which > dealt with the decomposition of analog master tapes. She actually had to > bake some of her old tapes in an oven to remove the moisture before getting > being able to remaster. I get the feeling that a lot of older recordings of > any band recorded to analog tape is likely to be problematic. > [From TDI] >> Glenn, >> >> it is not a manufacturing flaw and not a mastering error, either. The >> subtle noise loop comes straight from the old original master tapes and >> could not be removed without severely cutting into the material. It is >> partly the result of tape- wear- out (which is normal in analog tapes that >> are stored for 24 years) and also partly a noise emanating during the >> concert itself resulting from the analog tape echo- units that were used >> as >> FX for the synths, hence the repetitive nature of the sound. >> >> Hope this is informative... >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> TDI Music Support >> >> >> ---------------------------------- >> this information was brought to you by: >> >> TDI MUSIC >> >> P.O. BOX 30 33 40 >> 10728 Berlin >> Germany >> >> Fax: >> 49 - 30 - 23 62 09 96 >> >> TDI(tm), it's a 3 letter world From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Aug 4, 2000 9:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Soundmill Navigator Antonio Nunes wrote: > > TG wrote: > > > > Could someone from TDI (Martin K.?) comment on this? > > He did it already. Oops, I mean _they_ (TDI) did it already. So, unless there is a new unannounced remastering of this album, every copy of the Soundmill Navigator CD has the same noises. I can hear the noises even when I play my copy on my PC connected to cheap speakers and even if I am in the next room, but perhaps I have superman hears :-) Antonio Nunes From: 'martin behnke' Date: Fri Aug 4, 2000 3:43 pm Subject: workspaces Here is TD's workspaces listed in EQ magazine.They are located in a 4 story building on separate flours with the remaining 2 for private living quarters. Edgar Froese's Work Space Computer(music) apple G3 (44mhz,128 ram Iomega zip 100 MOTU 2048 mk 2 Plextor Plexwriter 8/20 cd-rw 40 gig hd (2) 18 gb hd (2) Computer(sampling) Echo Gina 8-channel audio interface Pentium 2 PC (500mhz, 128 ram) (2) 25 gb hd (2) Software Cubase VST/24 BIAS Peak 2.1 BIAS SFX Machine NemeSys Gigasampler 1.6 (main sample library tool) MIDI Interface Opcode Studio 5 LX Samplers Akai S2000 (3) used to import sounds into Gigasampler Synthesizers Ensoniq SQR+ Korg M1r Kurzweil K2000r Roland jv-1080 (4 expansion boards) Roland jv 2080 (6 expansion boards) Korg T-1 ( master keyboard) Korg Z1 Roland jp-8000 Effects Evintide H3000-S Harmonizer Roland SDX330 TC Electronic M2000 TDX (3D surround system) Mixers Makie 32-8-2 Makie CR1604 Recording Alesis ADAT type 2 (20 bit) Monitoring B&W CDM 7 special edition Monitor Audio UK Sennheiser HD580 Precision headphones Jerome Froese's Work Space Computer (music) Apple G3 (300mhz, 128 ram) Iomega JAZ drive ('not recommended') MOTU 2048 MK 2 Plextor Plexwriter 8/20 CD-RW 40 gb hd 4.3 gb hd Computer (sampling) Echo Gina 8-channel audio interface Pentium 2 pc (450mhz, 256 ram) Pentium 3 pc (600mhz, 256 ram) TEAC R58S cd writer 40 gb hd (2) Software Cubase VST/24 NemeSys Gigasampler 1.6 (2) Bias Peak 2.1 Bias SFX Machine Adaptec Toast MIDI Interface Opcode Studio 5 Samplers Akai S2000 (2) Roland vp-9000 Synthesizers Alesis D4 drum expander E-mu Morpheus E-mu Orbit v2 E-mu Planet Phatt E-mu Proteus 2000 (expanded) Ensoniq SQR + Korg M1r Korg Wavestation A/D Kurzeil K2000r Roland D-550 Roland D-70 ( master keyboard) Roland jd-990 Roland jv-880 Roland jv-1080 (including 4 expantion boards) Roland U-220 Roland jp-8000 Yamaha tg77 Yamaha TX802 Waldorf Microwave Effects ADA Microcab 2 speaker simulator Digitech GSP2101 Studio Tube (ltd edetion) Ensoniq DP/4 Lexicon PCM60 TC Electronic D-two Rhythm delay Mastering Anatek SR-7 Behringer Denoiser model 2000 Behringer Edison Behringer Ultrafex 2 DQC System (TD's own mastering invention) Mixers Makie CR1604 Makie LM3204 Roland M-240r Recording Alesis ADAT type 2 (20 bit) Sony PCM2600 DAT Tascam md 801 minidisk Yamaha CDR-1000 cd recorder Monitoring Tannoy System 600a Active Sennheiser HD560 Ovation 2 headphones Someone was wondering about the changes in music Edgar keeps hinting at every couple years.This is from the same mag. 'I know we've hinted at similar changes in the past,but we've realized that even most of our fans woukld not understand what we are doing if we gave them 100 percent of what is really achievable right now. If we applied all the technology we have today-which is much more powerful than can be heard on Mars Polaris- on a record straight away,then most people simple wouldn't understand what we are doing. They'd probably say,'Is this the future of music?'And we'd say 'Yes. AAnd not only that,it could go much futher.' And we could lose contact with our listeners. So we have to cut these changes down into little digestible portions.' This is all in the 2000 issue 7 of EQ magazine. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23500 Re: workspaces Greg Fri 8/4/2000 4 KB 23502 Re: workspaces Marcel Engels Fri 8/4/2000 2 KB 23503 Re: workspaces rbrown4856@a... Sat 8/5/2000 2 KB 23504 Re: workspaces Marcel Engels Sat 8/5/2000 2 KB 23505 Re: workspaces Greg Sat 8/5/2000 4 KB 23536 Re: workspaces Sean Montgomery Mon 8/7/2000 4 KB 23549 Re: workspaces Gabe Yedid Tue 8/8/2000 7 KB 23540 Re: workspaces David Foster Tue 8/8/2000 3 KB 23550 Re: workspaces Feldon Feldon Wed 8/9/2000 6 KB From: Bennett Cookson Date: Fri Aug 4, 2000 4:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] workspaces -- the future of music 'If we applied all the technology we have today-which is much more powerful than can be heard on Mars Polaris- on a record straight away,then most people simple wouldn't understand what we are doing. They'd probably say,'Is this the future of music?'And we'd say 'Yes. AAnd not only that,it could go much futher.' And we could lose contact with our listeners. So we have to cut these changes down into little digestible portions.' I say give us a sample - I'd like to hear this new 'future of music.' --Bennett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23498 Re: workspaces -- the future of music Jared White Fri 8/4/2000 3 KB 23499 Re: workspaces -- the future of music Feldon Feldon Fri 8/4/2000 2 KB From: 'Manuel Marino' Date: Fri Aug 4, 2000 4:55 pm Subject: New Fusion and Electronic Artist Hello, i'm Vanethian, http://www.mp3.com/Vanethian I'm a new artist (i'm on mp3.com since two months). I compose electronica, classical, easy listening, dance, film music. I try to mix styles to achieve a new sound dimension ;) I think my style goes beyond what we think about fusion... people says my music is similar to Tangerine Dream... and yes.. i think my inspiration comes from there! ;) I've had a really nice review at Wind & Wire: <> Read the FULL REVIEW at http://www.windandwire.com/electronic.htm#vanethian Can you listen to my songs and, if you like them, review them? If you can review also this link, it would be a great thing, especially for a new electronic band of italian friends. I help them ONLY because there's my cousin in the band!!! ;) they are the X-ctivity Factor, xctivity@t... (nice music but mine is best! hehehe) ;) the link is http://www.mp3.com/XF Thanks friends! Greetings from Vanethian, http://www.mp3.com/Vanethian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Jared White Date: Fri Aug 4, 2000 5:07 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] workspaces -- the future of music > -----Original Message----- > From: Bennett Cookson [mailto:bennett.cookson@N...] > > 'If we applied all the technology we have today-which is much > more powerful than can be heard on Mars Polaris- on a record straight > away,then most people simple wouldn't understand what we are doing. > They'd probably say,'Is this the future of music?'And we'd say 'Yes. > AAnd not only that,it could go much futher.' And we could lose > contact with our listeners. So we have to cut these changes down into > little digestible portions.' > > I say give us a sample - I'd like to hear this new 'future of music.' Yeah, I'd like to see if I 'couldn't understand' it myself. You know me. Whenever there's an opportunity to plug TD, I usually take advantage of it. This is a croc of shit. So, basically, Edgar's saying that TD could go off right now and show us all the future of music, but no-one would understand it, so TD is only doing it a little bit at a time. Wow, so Edgar's actually *admitting* TD could be pioneering, but isn't. Maybe he should have gone a little bit further and said TD couldn't actually be pioneering even if they wanted to, because Edgar wouldn't understand it. :) I actually can't believe Edgar has that kind of ego. I know it probably comes as no surprise to some of you hardened old-timers out there (no offense), but I'm just amazed. Someday it'd be nice to hear the results of Edgar's brilliant talents, but, meanwhile, I think I'll look somewhere else for the 'future of music'. I may like modern TD, but I'm not a rabid fan-idiot. Regards, Jared From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Aug 4, 2000 5:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] workspaces -- the future of music >From: Bennett Cookson > >'If we applied all the technology we have today-which is much >more powerful than can be heard on Mars Polaris- on a record straight >away,then most people simple wouldn't understand what we are doing. >They'd probably say,'Is this the future of music?'And we'd say 'Yes. >AAnd not only that,it could go much futher.' And we could lose >contact with our listeners. So we have to cut these changes down into >little digestible portions.' No offense Edgar but who gives a damn about the technology? Are the same people who line up to see Hollywood-ized movies that are 99% special effects your target audience for the 'New' Tangerine Dream? Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Aug 4, 2000 6:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] workspaces ----- Original Message ----- From: 'martin behnke' To: Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 8:43 AM Subject: [tadream] workspaces > Someone was wondering about the changes in music Edgar keeps hinting > at every couple years.This is from the same mag. > 'I know we've hinted at similar changes in the past,but we've > realized that even most of our fans woukld not understand what we are > doing if we gave them 100 percent of what is really achievable right > now. If we applied all the technology we have today-which is much > more powerful than can be heard on Mars Polaris- on a record straight > away,then most people simple wouldn't understand what we are doing. > They'd probably say,'Is this the future of music?'And we'd say 'Yes. > AAnd not only that,it could go much futher.' And we could lose > contact with our listeners. So we have to cut these changes down into > little digestible portions.' > This is all in the 2000 issue 7 of EQ magazine. Ummm I think we already have the 'future of music' and although TD was a pioneer of the ambient sound in the early 70's, many groups have expanded this idea beyond what has been done before. I'm not talking about artists doing vintage stuff, but artists like the popular FSOL doing works like Lifeforms which uses new technology and an evolved idea of ambient music. When I listen to Mars Polaris, I think of it as an intermediate step that may have existed years ago that creates a fusion of electronic rock and ambient electronic music. But honestly TD is progressing but their sound isn't. They are playing catch up to ambient and house club & techno movements which people have their own opinion if that's worthwhile to do or not. But lets get real folks, there are so many artists and so many ideas today that don't have to waste time to break their own paradigms like TD has to. So TD, give your 100% on your next album, and then after that, go further as you say you can do and do another. NP: Radiohead / DJ Shadow UNKLE 'Rabbit in Your Headlights' Greg H. From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Aug 4, 2000 6:48 pm Subject: Re: the future of music - HA! Bennett Cookson wrote: > 'If we applied all the technology we have today-which is much > more powerful than can be heard on Mars Polaris- on a record straight > away,then most people simple wouldn't understand what we are doing. > They'd probably say,'Is this the future of music?'And we'd say 'Yes. > AAnd not only that,it could go much futher.' And we could lose > contact with our listeners. So we have to cut these changes down into > little digestible portions.' > > I say give us a sample - I'd like to hear this new 'future of music.' Exactly! What a funny quote. What horse doo-doo. Edgar is still trying to strike the misunderstood artist pose (if you don't like what I do, then you don't appreciate true art, heathen!). Oh Edgar, prophet of the future, leader of musical development for the world! I wish he'd stop claiming that TD is forever innovating, because they're not, and haven't been for a long time. And the only reason they were once considered innovative at all is because there were so few artists doing pure electronic music back in the early 70s. I wish he'd just drop the big talk and show us the goods. He's all hat and no cattle, as they say in Texas. I dare him to shock me. An equipment list doesn't impress me. You can have the very latest keyboards and samplers, but it don't mean a damn if you make boring music with them. And you know what...I don't even need TD to make a difficult, avant garde album - a Zeit 2, if you will. I'd be happy with strong melodies, crafty rhythm programming, luscious atmospheres and sophisticated sound design. And that's hardly 'innovative', it's just good music. And that's all I want. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Aug 4, 2000 10:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] workspaces > From: martin behnke [mailto:ozric5@h...] > > Here is TD's workspaces listed in EQ magazine.They are located in a 4 > story building on separate flours with the remaining 2 for private > living quarters. > Edgar Froese's Work Space (snip) Nice to see they both use the Gina audio card as I have one too. Other then that I didn't experience a 'wow' feeling about the equipment list. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Email :mengels@w... From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Sat Aug 5, 2000 3:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] workspaces Greetings! My 2 cents worth is that Edgar's quotes sound no more rediculous than some people claiming that other artists such as FSOL,Klaus Schulze,ORB,etc.are releasing stuff called innovative. Come on! Look what a disaster The ORB made of a great TD track.FSOL even goes so far as to use samples of TD in a lot of their stuff.The so called CREATIVE GEYSER (Schulze) still releases those 50 minutes of monotone ramblings and goes no where. Don't get me wrong,I don't agree 100% with what Edgar said but he knows as much about the future of Electronic music than most.(IMO) Rick Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23504 Re: workspaces Marcel Engels Sat 8/5/2000 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sat Aug 5, 2000 8:33 am Subject: RE: [tadream] workspaces > From: rbrown4856@a... [mailto:rbrown4856@a...] > > Don't get me wrong,I don't agree 100% with what Edgar said > but he knows > as much about the future of Electronic music than most.(IMO) Maybe we shouldn't all try to be so innovative and just make great music. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels (/okefenokee) Email :mengels@w... From: 'Greg' Date: Sat Aug 5, 2000 9:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] workspaces ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] workspaces > Greetings! > > My 2 cents worth is that Edgar's quotes sound no more rediculous than some > people claiming that other artists such as FSOL,Klaus Schulze,ORB,etc.are > releasing stuff called innovative. > Come on! Look what a disaster The ORB made of a great TD track.FSOL even > goes so far as to use samples of TD in a lot of their stuff.The so called > CREATIVE GEYSER (Schulze) still releases those 50 minutes of monotone > ramblings and goes no where. > Don't get me wrong,I don't agree 100% with what Edgar said but he knows > as much about the future of Electronic music than most.(IMO) > > Rick Well the real ultimate argument here as far as innovators.. the inventors of vintage electronic synthesizers knew full well the sound they could priduce, in fact some were musicians themselves. The idea of the sequencer and sequenced notes such as those on Phaedra, Rubycon, and Ricochet as not an invention of TD, sure they composed the notes, but the idea was not theirs. When they got their big Moog, they thought hey lets sequence some notes and use this synthesizer that makes white noise and such, and then use this instrument that loops small recordings of real instruments to keys. We'll feed it through some devices that reverb and equalize the sound. What I'm saying here is that inovation really only came out of the way a peice was composed and as such the real progress has been made in this century by John Cage and the like that opened up the idea that noises could be used to create music. Anything and everything that makes a sound is a noise and used to create a composition or as some call an atmospehere or even a landscape. It really is a more visual and less linear form of music. The ORB remix of Towards the Evening Star is IMO a very good track, it's an opinion of taste, but I find myself able to listen to that remix over and over more than the original. But I also like to remix done on DM2. FSOL uses samples from a lot of different music, and that's something that's quite common with ambient music.. sampling is common even if to quote your roots. NP: Radiohead 'Paranoid Android' Greg H. From: 'Manuel Marino' Date: Sat Aug 5, 2000 9:53 am Subject: R: [tadream] Innovation 'If we applied all the technology we have today-which is much more powerful than can be heard on Mars Polaris- on a record straight away,then most people simple wouldn't understand what we are doing. They'd probably say,'Is this the future of music?'And we'd say 'Yes. AAnd not only that,it could go much futher.' And we could lose contact with our listeners. So we have to cut these changes down into little digestible portions.' Hello... i would like to know much more about these new technologies... i like experimentation and innovation... and this does not mean buying and using more and more synths... i mean electronic composing techniques... i don't know if you are musicians, but i would like to talk about how we or you do music. Vanethian, http://www.mp3.com/Vanethian **************************************************** Join *The New Music Frontier* Free Email Group! http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/TheNewMusicFrontier **************************************************** From: Glynn Naughton Date: Sat Aug 5, 2000 4:25 pm Subject: Edgar on his high horse >From: 'martin behnke' > > > Someone was wondering about the changes in music Edgar keeps hinting >at every couple years.This is from the same mag. > 'I know we've hinted at similar changes in the past,but we've >realized that even most of our fans woukld not understand what we are >doing if we gave them 100 percent of what is really achievable right >now. If we applied all the technology we have today-which is much >more powerful than can be heard on Mars Polaris- on a record straight >away,then most people simple wouldn't understand what we are doing. >They'd probably say,'Is this the future of music?'And we'd say 'Yes. >AAnd not only that,it could go much futher.' And we could lose >contact with our listeners. So we have to cut these changes down into >little digestible portions.' > This is all in the 2000 issue 7 of EQ magazine. Sometimes, Edgar gives terrific interviews. He has a wonderful, slightly-skewed take on the English language that results in some delightful turns of phrase ('assimilate yourself to the absurd and degenerating development of the human race', etc.) But when he gets into full-blown pompous mode like this I find him irritating almost beyond belief. The implication seems to be that he and Jerome (ha!) are towering geniuses who are so far in advance of us poor, simple, benighted souls that we couldn't possibly understand what they were doing if they went full-throttle. Presumably, that's why they give us simple two-chord thrashes over second-hand techno drumbeats instead. Edgar, please: if the world can handle Bach fugues, Beethoven string quartets and the hard-core serial experimentation of Anton Webern, I assure you that it can deal with anything that you or Jerome could throw at it. Tangerine Dream is a synthesiser pop group, a very good one that made a significant contribution to late 20th-centurt popular music, but ultimately unsignificant in the great scheme of things. It does not require a planet-sized musical brain either to understand its music, or, indeed, to make it, certainly in its current form. So stop kidding yourself. For an object lesson in giving utterly unpretentious and amusing interviews that reek of common sense, step forward Klaus Schulze. Klaus on why he started to make music: 'because musicians cop off with girls'. Klaus on why he made _Audentity_: 'because making albums is my job'. No bullshit wittering about the great spectrum of unrealised musical frequencies, or any other such self-important and wildly-pretentious Froesian claptrap. Phew! I needed to get that off my chest. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23508 Re: Edgar on his high horse Eric Rochon Sat 8/5/2000 4 KB 23521 Re: Edgar on his high horse craig.cordrey@a... Mon 8/7/2000 3 KB 23548 Re: Edgar on his high horse Joe Shoults Tue 8/8/2000 3 KB From: Eric Rochon Date: Sat Aug 5, 2000 5:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar on his high horse Hi Folks!! This is well said Glynn!!! You have total support from me!! Éric >Sometimes, Edgar gives terrific interviews. He has a wonderful, >slightly-skewed take on the English language that results in some delightful >turns of phrase ('assimilate yourself to the absurd and degenerating >development of the human race', etc.) But when he gets into full-blown >pompous mode like this I find him irritating almost beyond belief. The >implication seems to be that he and Jerome (ha!) are towering geniuses who >are so far in advance of us poor, simple, benighted souls that we couldn't >possibly understand what they were doing if they went full-throttle. >Presumably, that's why they give us simple two-chord thrashes over >second-hand techno drumbeats instead. Edgar, please: if the world can handle >Bach fugues, Beethoven string quartets and the hard-core serial >experimentation of Anton Webern, I assure you that it can deal with anything >that you or Jerome could throw at it. Tangerine Dream is a synthesiser pop >group, a very good one that made a significant contribution to late >20th-centurt popular music, but ultimately unsignificant in the great scheme >of things. It does not require a planet-sized musical brain either to >understand its music, or, indeed, to make it, certainly in its current form. >So stop kidding yourself. > >For an object lesson in giving utterly unpretentious and amusing interviews >that reek of common sense, step forward Klaus Schulze. Klaus on why he >started to make music: 'because musicians cop off with girls'. Klaus on why >he made _Audentity_: 'because making albums is my job'. No bullshit >wittering about the great spectrum of unrealised musical frequencies, or any >other such self-important and wildly-pretentious Froesian claptrap. > >Phew! I needed to get that off my chest. > >Glynn > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 2:01 am Subject: tadream.net and chat Only a couple of the buttons at http://www.tadream.net/ seem to work. Is this normal? I wanted to get info about the Chat but I couldn't get to it from that page. Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Gustavo Jobim' Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 4:28 pm Subject: Synth help needed Hello everyone, (please reply privately as I'm in no mail/web only mode) I'm going to buy my first keyboard, and I'm looking for a good synth to start with, with a price around 1000 dollars. I've seen these Korg X3 and X5D and N1 for sale, what do you think? Maybe you could give me some hints on this. Thanks in advance, Jobim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23511 Re: Synth help needed Rhen, Kris Sun 8/6/2000 3 KB 23517 Re: Synth help needed Gustavo Jobim Sun 8/6/2000 2 KB 23512 Re: Synth help needed Feldon Feldon Sun 8/6/2000 3 KB 23518 Re: Synth help needed Rhen, Kris Mon 8/7/2000 3 KB 23528 Re: (X3) Synth help needed Gustavo Jobim Mon 8/7/2000 2 KB 23519 Re: Synth help needed jowers Mon 8/7/2000 2 KB From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 4:36 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Synth help needed The N1 aint bad (I've got an N1r), but its multitimbral setup is a bit unusual (annoying) and the manual is one of the worst I've seen. Have you considered buying used? I'd look around for a Trinity used as an option. If you go more used, you might get two nice boards (or a keyboard and a decent MIDI module) for that price (like a Wavestation and a K5000s! :-) What kind of music are you looking to do? KRIS > Hello everyone, > (please reply privately as I'm in no mail/web only mode) > > I'm going to buy my first keyboard, and I'm looking for a good synth > to start with, with a price around 1000 dollars. I've seen these Korg > X3 and X5D and N1 for sale, what do you think? Maybe you could give > me some hints on this. > > Thanks in advance, > Jobim ____________________________________________________ This message has been scanned for content with MailSweeper. A virus check has been done with CommandCom Software and it has been determined clean. ____________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23517 Re: Synth help needed Gustavo Jobim Sun 8/6/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 4:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Synth help needed Hey Gustavo, list: I'm also window shopping for a keyboard! I've played with a Korg Wavestation and kind of fallen in love with the joystick, filters and modulation wheel. I've also seen them on eBay for around $600. I'm in the market for a keyboard in the next month but don't know if a Korg Wavestation is too much of a dead-end for what I want, it might be a bit underpowered for the future... It allows you to upload instruments into it, adding sampler capability which is a big deal to me. Morgan >From: 'Gustavo Jobim' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Synth help needed >Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 16:28:58 -0000 > >Hello everyone, >(please reply privately as I'm in no mail/web only mode) > >I'm going to buy my first keyboard, and I'm looking for a good synth >to start with, with a price around 1000 dollars. I've seen these Korg >X3 and X5D and N1 for sale, what do you think? Maybe you could give >me >some hints on this. > >Thanks in advance, >Jobim > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 6:56 pm Subject: MORE News! More Klaus Schulze info to pass along >From: 'Archie Patterson' >Another Update regarding *Special Offers*. > >There is a NEW addition to the Pre-Orders for Special LTD. EDITION Box Sets. > >Keller, Schönwalder & Friends - VIER-DREI-ZWEI a 3 CD set. > >Check it out! > >Also the price for the KS 10 CD set has been revised due to cost and Ex. >Rate changes. > >All who Pre-Ordered on 8/4 or 8/5 will receive the original offered price. > >Thanks! > >Archie > >http://www.eurock.com > > From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 9:53 pm Subject: Discussion Week 47 - Sunday 6th August 2000 This week is the turn of the 'live' album, Tournado. Please make your subject read 'D:Live [Tournado]' when posting comments or reviews. Regards, Lawry lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 9:57 pm Subject: D:Live [Tournado] Here's a repost of my original review from the UWP list on 02/03/98 ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawry Simm To: Tadream Mailing List Sent: Monday, March 02, 1998 10:12 PM Subject: D: Tournado Tournado - Tangerine Dream Live TDI1008CD Recorded live on April 23rd 1997 at the 'Dome Muziki i Tanca' in the city of Zabrze in Poland. 1. Drum Solo 3:41 2. Flashflood 7:49 3. 220 Volt (Big Bolt Version) 8:18 4. Firetongues 7:11 5. Girls On Broadway 5:07 6. Little Blond In The Park Of Attractions 7:40 7. Rising Haul In Silence 7:49 8. Lamb With Radar Eyes (Lost Lamb Version) 7:42 9. Touchwood 7:40 10. Towards The Evening Star 7:03 Total Running Time 70:00 As usual, I'd like to start with the low points on the album. The obvious low point is that all of the music on this album has appeared before. There's nothing new on show here, unless you count Emil's drum solo, and the bridges between the tracks. Saying that, the tracks actually chosen for the live set are pretty good. You could look at this as a 'best of' compilation from their last half a dozen studio albums. Given the albums that the material comes from, we could have ended up with an album that completely sucked. The other low point for me has to be the first track. Emil Hachfeld is clearly technically adept, and having seen TD live at Manchester in '97, his playing clearly added some zest to the show, but three minutes of drum solo at the start of an album doesn't achieve much. I think that sort of solo placed in the middle of a long track has more effect. You know, take the music down, start a very basic solo, build up the complexity, build up the rhythm and with the audience in the palm of your hand, the whole band burst back into live in an explosion of sequences and melodies.... There are no obvious high points on this album. All of the tracks on here are good tracks, but not exceptional. My favourite bits are 220 Volt, especially from the 3 minute mark when it starts to go all Risky Business, Firetongues, and Little Blond In The Park Of Attractions, which is the Thai Dub version from Dream Mixes. Touchwood is also the Dream Mixes version, with a great bridge into Towards The Evening Star, which must be my favourite track from the last couple of years. Very active and dynamic. Overall, this album is mainly for completists, or for people like me that went to the concert and want a momento. Nicely presented, good colourful artwork which is carried onto the disk itself, It's a really lively album, with good choice of tracks, but if you already have the material contained within, you may be largely disappointed. Now if this had been a double album with the first set included, I'd be raving about it... Lawry Simm. From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 9:57 pm Subject: D:Soundtrack [Oasis] Here's a repost of my original review of the album that was posted to the old UWP list on 22/02/98 Having re-read it, my thoughts still stand.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawry Simm To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 1998 12:50 AM Subject: D: Oasis As there were no other takers on this one, here are my (barely coherent at this time of night) thoughts on one of the better albums that TD has produced in the 90's. Oasis TDI007CD 1. Flashflood 7:00 2. Zion 5:43 3. Reflections 5:08 4. Cliff Dwellers 5:06 5. Waterborne 7:20 6. Cedar Breaks 5:07 7. Summer Storm 6:06 8. Hopi Mesa Heart 5:51 Total running time 47:21 I'm always disappointed when a CD has less than 74 minutes worth of music on. Less than 60 minutes is distressing. Less than 50 is almost criminal. It's somewhat like wanting a pint of beer, paying for a pint of beer, but only getting 3 quarters of a pint. One feels cheated. I'd sooner have 4 albums with 60 minutes of good music, than 6 albums with only 40 minutes each on. Same hat, different bloke, I know... anyway, enough useless rambling, on to the music (well, maybe this is just another load of useless rambling too). First, let's deal with the low points. There are two weak links on this album IMHO, and for a 90's TD album, that isn't bad at all. The first is Cedar Breaks. Don't get me wrong here. I think the track is really pleasant, with it's slow moving string sounds, but it's precisely that. Slow moving. In fact, so slow that the track doesn't actually lead anywhere. It's 5 minutes of wasted space, quite out of keeping with the rest of the album. It's just not dynamic at all. This track would be better presented amongst tracks of a similar style on a separate CD. I feel that it just breaks up the momentum generated by the earlier tracks. The second waste of space is Hopi Mesa Heart, for much the same reason. It's 5 minutes of going nowhere. I think good E-music should take the listener on a journey. If all my journeys were like this I'd demand my money back. Right, on to the highlights. Pretty much the rest of the album. :-) Flashflood starts off sounding as though it could have been an extra cut for the Goblin's Club album, with the faint, almost subliminal sequence running behind the rhythm and strings. (No doubt, some of you will see that as a disparaging comment, bas as previously stated on the list, I love GC). When the strings and pads drop out briefly after 2 minutes, the rhythm really starts to pick up, and the whole feeling of movement and momentum starts to gather. I could listen to a whole album's worth (74 minutes Mr Froese! :-) ) of this stuff. _This_ is the journey I'm looking for. After a brief respite, (the first one and a half minutes of Zion), the journey picks up again. The sequenced ramblings don't sneak in here, but immediately stomp on your brain. Time to get moving. The best track on the album though has to be Waterborne. Similar to Flashflood in execution, but much more effectively delivered. Again, overtones of Goblin's Club, in fact the faint piano melody running through the first couple of minutes sounds almost like it's a direct rip off Towards the Evening Star. The 3:20 mark sees a change of pace. A dancing sequence swirls up and leads us on to the conclusion of the track. For the next four minutes, a series of moods and themes overlay this sequence, creating, once again, the dynamic feeling of movement. Overall, I'd cut out about 11 minutes from this album, making a total worthwhile running time of only 36 minutes, which at £14 (UK Pounds, $21 USD) is a tad expensive. Still, being TD, I had to have it, and I don't regret the purchase. If only they could produce music to the standard of Flashflood and Waterborne consistently, the world would be a better place and we'd all live in peace and harmony. :-) np - Oasis... obviously. From: 'Gustavo Jobim' Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 10:23 pm Subject: Re: Synth help needed > The N1 aint bad (I've got an N1r), but its multitimbral setup is a bit unusual (annoying) and the manual is one of the worst I've seen. Have you considered buying used? I AM looking for used gear. > What kind of music are you looking to do? > KRIS I'm really not sure, but I guess I'd like to make some music like TD's during the Schmoelling years for example (probably my favourite TD line-up), like Jarre's music... The last 2 weeks I've been making track music inspired by Philip Glass too. It's already 2 14 minute tracks and one 17-minute track, all of them with repetitive and symetric structures, with a piano as basic instrument. From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 3:22 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Synth help needed > > The N1 aint bad (I've got an N1r), but its multitimbral setup is a > bit unusual (annoying) and the manual is one of the worst I've seen. > Have you considered buying used? > > I AM looking for used gear. Oh... > > What kind of music are you looking to do? > > KRIS > > I'm really not sure, but I guess I'd like to make some music like > TD's > during the Schmoelling years for example (probably my favourite TD > line-up), like Jarre's music... Waldorf MicrowaveXT's your baby then IMO. If you don't need a keyboard it fits. If you do, the XTk costs a bunch more. > The last 2 weeks I've been making track music inspired by Philip > Glass > too. It's already 2 14 minute tracks and one 17-minute track, all of > them with repetitive and symetric structures, with a piano as basic > instrument. MW XT sounds like a decent addition for $1000ish, but not much polyphony = good unique sound addition to your kit. Maybe opt for a Emu Proteus2000 - lots of poly and two MIDI ins (32 channels) = great workhorse synth. Guess it depends on your kit needs. What else do you own/use? KRIS ____________________________________________________ This message has been scanned for content with MailSweeper. A virus check has been done with CommandCom Software and it has been determined clean. ____________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23528 Re: (X3) Synth help needed Gustavo Jobim Mon 8/7/2000 2 KB From: jowers Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 3:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Synth help needed >> I AM looking for used gear. The Kurzweil K2000 would be a great synth you can find second hand pretty easy. It's very powerful and sounds great!!! I've had mine about 10 years and it's still my main board!!! Kevin kvjowers@i... From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 5:19 am Subject: D: Live [Tournado] Now this may very well be THE CD where I sold the farm and was hooked for good. Last winter I used to listen to this all the time late at night while I worked at my shop and while I drank a few beers too. Ah... those were the nights :-) Doing this from memory this is one CD that I am hard pressed to find a weak track. As I recall there were a only couple fleeting weak moments [Wrong change of chords, etc.], but I'd have to go back and listen to it to tell you specifically where they are. Overall, I thought that this was a very solid and fantastic performance. Too bad they didn't include the other half of the concert. Still it's over an hour's worth of bliss. This is one of the CD's that I use to introduce other people to TD. It does have a rock feel to it. I also absolutely love the back cover, maybe it's the purple shade, but I wish I had a large poster of it so that I could frame it myself and hang it up in my room /studio. Touchwood still seems to be my favorite on this CD followed by Towards The Evening Star, Flashflood, Firetongues and then 220 Volt. All great ! Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: craig.cordrey@a... Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 8:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar on his high horse >For an object lesson in giving utterly unpretentious and amusing interviews >that reek of common sense, step forward Klaus Schulze. Klaus on why he >started to make music: 'because musicians cop off with girls'. Klaus on why >he made _Audentity_: 'because making albums is my job'. No bullshit >wittering about the great spectrum of unrealised musical frequencies, or any >other such self-important and wildly-pretentious Froesian claptrap. However, Klaus has a hired help (KDM) to make all of _his_ controversial remarks. And in the league of pretentious clap-trap, KDM wins hands-down everytime for me. +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@a... | | craig.cordrey@b... | | Senior Systems Engineer | | Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 | | Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division | | Donibristle, Fife, Scotland | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 8:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Edgar on his high horse, and KDM's horse **** In a message dated 8/7/2000 7:27:31 AM !!!First Boot!!!, craig.cordrey@a... writes: << However, Klaus has a hired help (KDM) to make all of _his_ controversial remarks. And in the league of pretentious clap-trap, KDM wins hands-down everytime for me. >> *Yup. Me too. Poly From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 8:51 am Subject: future of music Bennett Cookson wrote: > 'If we applied all the technology we have today-which is much > more powerful than can be heard on Mars Polaris- on a record straight > away,then most people simple wouldn't understand what we are doing. > They'd probably say,'Is this the future of music?'And we'd say 'Yes. > AAnd not only that,it could go much futher.' And we could lose > contact with our listeners. So we have to cut these changes down into > little digestible portions.' It just might seem reasonable, bearing in mind the difficulty many of us have had in adapting to the TD sound of the last decade. The funny thing is that I have a newspaper clip from the British music weekly 'Sounds'. It is a long interview with Edgar from 1978 and in that interview he is saying more or less the same thing as in the quote above. More than 20 years later I am still here, maybe because they didn't go directly from Encore to Turn of the Tides, what do I know. There is one interesting difference in the two interviews though. In 1978 Edgar was saying that the music they had in store would be too hard to understand for many of the fans, now it is a question of technology..? Has a sad ring to it doesn't it? Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23525 Re: future of music Greg Mon 8/7/2000 5 KB 23529 Re: future of music Feldon Feldon Mon 8/7/2000 3 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 9:05 am Subject: Okefenokee CD hi, all... just thought i'd post this to the list, since in the last week, while i've been on vacation, i see that some mail have flown about concerning it... i received my copy the friday before we left and have been spinning it intermittently since... it's great! all the pieces are very good... my personal favorite is Cottage #3, but, all in all, a nice piece of sequencing... much in the way, IMO, of TD's 70s stuff... if you don't have a copy, i recommend getting one... however, if you like your music with a hearty drum beat, this isn't for you... marcel, concerning how to handle those of us with CDRs, how 'bout a trade... i don't mind having the CDR copy, even though i've got no label and the booklet is printed on regular paper... the music is the most important thing... but i wouldn't mind owning a 'proper' CD, either ,as i consider this music to great and would like to see the CD version among my collection... i'd be happy to send you the CDR version for a copy of the CD one... just a suggestion... ciao for now j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23538 Re: Okefenokee CD Vic Rek Tue 8/8/2000 3 KB 23551 Re: Okefenokee CD aoutland@a... Wed 8/9/2000 2 KB 23557 Re: Okefenokee CD mengels@w... Wed 8/9/2000 3 KB 23558 Re: Okefenokee CD craig.cordrey@a... Wed 8/9/2000 3 KB 23568 Re: Okefenokee CD Marcel Engels Wed 8/9/2000 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 9:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] future of music ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 1:51 AM Subject: [tadream] future of music > Bennett Cookson wrote: > > > 'If we applied all the technology we have today-which is much > > more powerful than can be heard on Mars Polaris- on a record straight > > away,then most people simple wouldn't understand what we are doing. > > They'd probably say,'Is this the future of music?'And we'd say 'Yes. > > AAnd not only that,it could go much futher.' And we could lose > > contact with our listeners. So we have to cut these changes down into > > little digestible portions.' > > It just might seem reasonable, bearing in mind the difficulty many of us > have had in adapting to the TD sound of the last decade. The funny thing is > that I have a newspaper clip from the British music weekly 'Sounds'. It is a > long interview with Edgar from 1978 and in that interview he is saying more > or less the same thing as in the quote above. More than 20 years later I am > still here, maybe because they didn't go directly from Encore to Turn of the > Tides, what do I know. > There is one interesting difference in the two interviews though. In 1978 > Edgar was saying that the music they had in store would be too hard to > understand for many of the fans, now it is a question of technology..? Has a > sad ring to it doesn't it? > > Olle I honestly think they hit the mark with Horizon from the Poland concert. That peice is very complex and done with an absolute feeling of being the ultimate display of the evolution of music up to the point of it's composition, and beyond. This is why I feel that nothing was ever the same after Poland as it is such a wonderful pinacle of everything TD had worked for. I'm sure some will disagree, but I must say for a rock group to release such a complex work is rarely heard of, as the challenge for the listener to put the layers upon layers of sound together into a meaningful whole was more than some wanted to do. Technology is becoming quickly transparent from the artists minds' to the creation of the music. More or less you can get any kind of sound you want out of synths and it dosn't take the kind of work it used to, especially with samples and storage. It has become more difficult as you ask yourself what is the sound that a synthesizer make? Any sound.. there is nothing to grasp to and no limitation to hold someone back. Presets are popular because they are lazy and allow a sort of concrete handle for music creation. Presets should be the basis of musical sketches, like those presets of a General MIDI sound set. If it were a question of technology, then why does TD use the same or similar presets on multiple songs and even albums? History tells me that technology has moulded the sound of Tangerine Dream since its start and still does today. If they are basing their work in music off of a technological stance of opening musical possibilites through technology, it would in fact not be all that much different than Phaedra. Greg H. NP: Omnipresence From: 'Manuel Marino' Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 10:48 am Subject: Korg N1 Korg N1 is ok.. but i've got a Korg Trinity and.. ;) try to get some money and buy the Trinity! ;) Vanethian, http://www.mp3.com/Vanethian **************************************************** Join *The New Music Frontier* Free Email Group! http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/TheNewMusicFrontier **************************************************** From: Steven Feldman Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:43 am Subject: 5 More Articles on THE KEEP -- translated from French! Today, finally, I can unveil five more articles on THE KEEP that I have added to my website. They are all from French magazines, and it took three months for the original French text and all the images to be scanned in, and for the French text to be translated by my fellow list subscriber Paul Fellows, but now it's all done and the results can be found at http://members.spree.com/molasar/mannartx.html Enjoy. There's some great stuff here, but moreso for fans of the film than Edgar Apologists -- er, I mean Tangerine Dream Fans, heh. The most fun, for me, were/are the two interviews with French comic artist -- and longtime contributor to METAL HURLANT/HEAVY METAL magazine -- Enki Bilal, who is the person who designed the movie's monster, Molasar, it turns out. It's amusing to note that Bilal felt that the final result of his designs was too much like Marvel Comics' Incredible Hulk or other such characters from Marvel, since many of the film's detractors voiced the very same opinion when the film was first reviewed in early 1984. Anyways, I'll shut up now and go back into lurk mode until I finally break down and buy ANTIQUE DREAMS and SEVEN LETTERS TO TIBET (and, God help me, SOUNDSWILL NAVELGAZER). Thanks once again must go to Paul Fellows for his translation of the five articles found indexed at http://members.spree.com/molasar/mannartx.html Great job, Paul! :) Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty -- 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers -- 1493 Greenwood Ave.; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. SOME CURRENT E-MUSIC FAVES: Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Node, Ozrics, Serrie +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. FIVE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: 'Gustavo Jobim' Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 1:46 pm Subject: Re: (X3) Synth help needed Maybe opt for a Emu Proteus2000 - lots of poly and two MIDI ins (32 channels) = great workhorse synth. Guess it depends on your kit needs. What else do you own/use? > KRIS I still don't have any instrument. I've been just doing track music in my computer, since january. I've found a Korg X3 at a good price, maybe I'll get it. From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 1:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] future of music >From: olle.rundgren@s... > >Bennett Cookson wrote: > >It just might seem reasonable, bearing in mind the difficulty many of us >have had in adapting to the TD sound of the last decade. ADAPTING? I'm not going to 'Adapt' to new age schlock. TD has lost their sequencing edge. Plain and simple. >The funny thing is >that I have a newspaper clip from the British music weekly 'Sounds'. It is >a >long interview with Edgar from 1978 and in that interview he is saying more >or less the same thing as in the quote above. More than 20 years later I am >still here, maybe because they didn't go directly from Encore to Turn of >the >Tides, what do I know. I'm happy we got the music from 1974-1986 and it's a shame that Edgar really thinks TD can go on without two or three diametrically opposed musicians. If anyone here has a chance to listen to soundchecks of 1981 and 1982, where they are just improvising and playing notes on their various equipment, compare the power and sound of the instruments then, with the fluffy presets on today's TD albums. There's no comparison. Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: krhen@s... Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 2:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: (X3) Synth help needed I don't know much about the Korg Xs except that I've heard bad things. That's just second hand of course. Best of luck to you. Kristopher W. Rhen (krhen@s...) Manager, Information Systems A. Stucki Company Pittsburgh, PA > -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavfj@m...] > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 9:47 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: (X3) Synth help needed > > > Maybe opt for a Emu > Proteus2000 - lots of poly and two MIDI ins (32 channels) = great > workhorse synth. Guess it depends on your kit needs. What else do > you > own/use? > > KRIS > > I still don't have any instrument. I've been just doing track music > in > my computer, since january. I've found a Korg X3 at a good price, > maybe I'll get it. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ Old school buds here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/8020/6/_/24785/_/965656004/ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------|e>- > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > This message has been scanned for content with MailSweeper. > A virus check has been done with CommandCom Software and it has > been determined clean. > ____________________________________________________ > ____________________________________________________ This message has been scanned for content with MailSweeper. A virus check has been done with CommandCom Software and it has been determined clean. ____________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 2:44 pm Subject: 'Entropica' on Sea of Dreams Has anyone confirmed whether Entropica on Sea of Dreams disc 1 is even Tangerine Dream? It sounds like Tibetian throat singers. Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:02 pm Subject: Home page update Hi all, besides the usual updates, among them many corrections to the main concert tape list, I've added a cartoon that you HAVE to see ;-) http://www.caby.de/Music cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23541 Okefenokee Dreams Rainer Rutka Tue 8/8/2000 2 KB 23638 Klaus Schulze PROMO from 10 Cd Box Rainer Rutka Mon 8/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:56 pm Subject: THE KEEP In addition to Steven's addition of the Keep material, I also updated my website 2 days ago with the Japan and HK versions of the Keep video. Have a look at: http://members.tripodasia.com.hk/coldwatercanyon/index-2.html and then please click on 'Antique Dreams' no. 2... Jeffrey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Steven Feldman Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 6:13 pm Subject: KEEP Alternate Ending at www.napster.com Hi, I've never used Napster because I have a dial-in connection to the internet, but someone recently told me about the following being there: |(no track #) The Keep (Alternate Ending) and described it as |15 min. 46 sec. It's got some movie dialog in. |Sounds like the very ending might be cut off. I am assuming that this is from the syndicated TV broadcasts of the early 1990s wherein Eva Cuza walks down into the keep at the end and 'revives' Glaeken by the mountain pool behind the energy pylons, but . . . ya just never know, do ya? After all, there is at least one syndicated TV broadcasted ending out there wherein Glaeken is not drawn into the wall of the keep but carries Molasar in his arms down into the keep. Maybe this alternate ending at Napster is the same as both of these endings *musically*, but there is the chance that its source is a videotape of the Glaeken-carrying-Molasar ending -- and that the guy who put this alternate ending MP3 file on Napster also has this ending on videotape! I sure would like to find out! If anyone knows if it's possible to ascertain the e-mail address of the guy who put this file on Napster, would you please e-mail me offlist? Also, if this ending is not the same, musically, as the ending from the Eva-revives-Glaeken ending or the Glaeken-carrying-Molasar ending, please contact me offlist. Thanks. We now return you to our scheduled Froese-worship Fest. -- Steven Feldman -- unhumble webmaster of the fantasmaglorical Chang Cheh website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/ch-index.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23535 Re: KEEP Alternate Ending at www.napster.com Joe Shoults Mon 8/7/2000 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 6:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] KEEP Alternate Ending at www.napster.com I knew there were alternate endings, but I thought the Glaeken-carrying-Molasar ending was the standard one, probably coz that's the only one I've seen, and is at my corner video store. Are you saying that's the rare one? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Feldman [mailto:ar402004@b...] ... > these endings *musically*, but there is the chance that its source is > a videotape of the Glaeken-carrying-Molasar ending -- and that the guy > who put this alternate ending MP3 file on Napster also has this ending > on videotape! I sure would like to find out! If anyone knows if it's [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Sean Montgomery Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 9:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] workspaces > What I'm saying here is that inovation really only came out of the way a peice > > was composed and as such the real progress has been made in this century by > John Cage and the like that opened up the idea that noises could be used to > create music. Yes, this is something I had on my mind when I wrote my diatribe last week, but the words to express it eluded me. TD's claims to innovation fame have been based pretty much exclusively on their willingness to use new musical equipment. And this stance has always played well in the media for them. We live in an age that assumes newer is better, especially where technology is concerned. So the band is always pointing to their new computers, their new samplers, and saying 'look how leading-edge we are'. (I don't blame Edgar...he want to leave a legacy. And he also has the more mundane problem of having to move product in order to put food on the table...and artists throughout this century have appealled to wealthy patrons on just the kind of level he takes in that interview: 'buy my stuff now, because it'll reveal you to be a cultured, better class of person'. Better yet if the art is disliked. I mean, no one liked Van Gogh at first, and look at how expensive his work is now!) But in reality, have the tools of electronic music-making really changed that much in the past 12 years or so? Can *any* musical artists out there right now be called 'innovative'? I can't really think of any. But who cares? Do people in the 20th century admire Mozart because he was 'innovative'? Well, students of music might, but for most people it comes down to a simple thing: does the music move you? Does it touch you? Now, I think that TD's embrace of new equipment throughout their career *has* led to some great music, because each palette of new sounds led to new ideas, and provoked a process of discovery. But I don't feel that happening very much anymore. I mean, really...how innovative is an album of electronic classical music? (Starship Trooper - coming to knock the world on its ass in 2001!) That's why Edgar's comments lend themselves to criticism so easilly. His commitment to intellectualism is kind of fetching, but I think he should just worry about making good music. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23549 Re: workspaces Gabe Yedid Tue 8/8/2000 7 KB From: kmt Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 11:47 pm Subject: new member with another Keep question Hope you guys don't mind another question about the Keep sondtrack. I saw a CD copy which had the same track listing as the Blue Moon version, but the inserts were different. The cover showed the demon guy from the movie, and had the same pic on the CD itself. There was no info about who manufactured it. Is it the same as the Blue Moon version or is it a cheaper copy? Sorry if this question has been answered before, but my browser is incredibly slow and I'm still searchng thru the past messages. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23547 Re: new member with another Keep question Joe Shoults Tue 8/8/2000 2 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Tue Aug 8, 2000 2:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee CD Right now the copy you have is the only official release version. There are plans to release a CD pressing, but for now only a CD-R release is available as the one that you described below. Glad you are enjoying it - me too! Vic j.gordon wrote: > > just thought i'd post this to the list, since in the last week, while i've been > on vacation, i see that some mail have flown about concerning it... > i received my copy the friday before we left and have been spinning it > intermittently since... it's great! > all the pieces are very good... my personal favorite is Cottage #3, but, all in > all, a nice piece of sequencing... much in the way, IMO, of TD's 70s stuff... > > marcel, concerning how to handle those of us with CDRs, how 'bout a trade... i > don't mind having the CDR copy, even though i've got no label and the booklet > is printed on regular paper... the music is the most important thing... but i > wouldn't mind owning a 'proper' CD, either ,as i consider this music to great > and would like to see the CD version among my collection... i'd be happy to > send you the CDR version for a copy of the CD one... From: 'Thomas' Date: Tue Aug 8, 2000 6:25 am Subject: SV: [tadream] future of music From: Morgan >From: olle.rundgren@s... >Bennett Cookson wrote: > It just might seem reasonable, bearing in mind the difficulty many of us have had in adapting to the TD sound of the last decade. * ADAPTING? I'm not going to 'Adapt' to new age schlock. TD has lost their sequencing edge. Plain and simple. > The funny thing is that I have a newspaper clip from the British music weekly 'Sounds'. It is a long interview with Edgar from 1978 and in that interview he is saying more or less the same thing as in the quote above. More than 20 years later I am still here, maybe because they didn't go directly from Encore to Turn of the Tides, what do I know. * I'm happy we got the music from 1974-1986 and it's a shame that Edgar really thinks TD can go on without two or three diametrically opposed musicians. > If anyone here has a chance to listen to soundchecks of 1981 and 1982, where they are just improvising and playing notes on their various equipment, compare the power and sound of the instruments then, with the fluffy presets on today's TD albums. There's no comparison. ************************************* Hello tadreamers, I've been in lurk mode now for the past half year or so, losing interest in Tangerine Dream and the business surrounding them for a long while. I rediscovered Ricochet the other day, and off I went to listen to every single album again... funny how it works. Yes, Morgan, it is astounding how making it easy and comfortable for yourself as a musician can make the music itself dull and without edge. Too polished these days. I too crave some more raw analog power. Those were the days. Hey, I hope I don't get ranted upon here, I'm just expressing my opinion. I really wonder what Mr.Froese meant by not releasing their new discoveries in music making, 100% full out. That's what they used to do once upon a time, just shock people with something new and creative every time an album was put on the market. By all means, members of Tangerine Dream, I challenge you to release your 'secrets', try us fans out and see if we can understand it or not. I would find it very interesting, and perhaps I might start buying the albums again... Best regards, Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 7:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] workspaces Rick said > > Come on! Look what a disaster The ORB made of a great TD track.FSOL > even goes so far as to use samples of TD in a lot of their stuff.The so called > > CREATIVE GEYSER (Schulze) still releases those 50 minutes of monotone > > ramblings and goes no where. Greg H said > > The ORB remix of Towards the Evening Star is IMO a very good track, it's an > opinion of taste, but I find myself able to listen to that remix over and > over more than the original. But I also like to remix done on DM2. FSOL uses > samples from a lot of different music, and that's something that's quite > common with ambient music.. sampling is common even if to quote your roots. Right On! I agree with what you say Greg. Rick, when I heard The Orb remix for the first time I could not really hear anything of the original in it. Many plays later I still can't. I think its a great track in its own right. I would buy it whether or not it was on a TD CD. I wish TD would use a sample like.........' Let's play, make a sentence............' Rick, do you know what the Turner Art Prize is in the UK? I think the Orb track is a bit like that. Its the process / experience itself rather than the end result. David From: Rainer Rutka Date: Tue Aug 8, 2000 10:00 am Subject: Okefenokee Dreams Hi everybody! Today I got the 'Okefenokee Dreams' cd. And I have to say: IT'S FANTASTIC!!!!! I really recommend it to everybody and I agree with Kees. It's worth to be commercial release (IMO). I'm playing the CDr since hours here in my office and I don't get tired of hearing it. YES I LIKE IT! GREAT! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Tue Aug 8, 2000 12:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee Dreams Rainer Rutka wrote: > Hi everybody! > > Today I got the 'Okefenokee Dreams' cd. And I have to say: > > IT'S FANTASTIC!!!!! > > I really recommend it to everybody and I agree with Kees. It's > worth to be commercial release (IMO). I'm playing the CDr since > hours here in my office and I don't get tired of hearing it. I keep hearing this from people but have no idea how to get my hands on one? Any suggestions? I'd love to build up a collection of CDs like that, but I don't know where or how to begin. James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 24385 Okefenokee Dreams horrod6 Sat 10/14/2000 2 KB 26098 Okefenokee Dreams Michael V Miller Tue 2/20/2001 2 KB 26100 Re: Okefenokee Dreams Michael V Miller Tue 2/20/2001 4 KB 26101 Re: Okefenokee Dreams Feldon Feldon Tue 2/20/2001 5 KB 26102 Re: Okefenokee Dreams Neal Frost Wed 2/21/2001 6 KB 26104 Re: Okefenokee Dreams Frank Arellano Wed 2/21/2001 7 KB From: 'Krauseneck Carpet One' Date: Tue Aug 8, 2000 3:15 pm Subject: Okefenokee Dreams cd How do I get this Okefenokee Dreams' cd? Someone email me- I want it!!!! Email me off list please. Thanks so much! Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23545 Re: Okefenokee Dreams cd mengels@w... Tue 8/8/2000 2 KB 23546 Re: Okefenokee Dreams cd Rainer Rutka Tue 8/8/2000 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Aug 8, 2000 12:15 pm Subject: non-TD question Is anyone on the list affiliated with KPMG? Regards, Michael A. Jean Did you know you can email money with PayPal.com? PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users Beam Money to anyone with an email address. Click on this link to sign up and see for yourself: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=michaeljean%40earthlink.net From: mengels@w... Date: Tue Aug 8, 2000 1:10 pm Subject: Re: Okefenokee Dreams cd --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Krauseneck Carpet One' wrote: > How do I get this Okefenokee Dreams' cd? Someone email me- I want it!!!! > Email me off list please. > Thanks so much! Okay, here's the info. The 'Okefenokee Dreams' CD is for now only available as a CDR...but! it's going to be a regular CD and will be available at www.groove.nl You can contact Kees from Groove about it. A few CDRs slipped through before we decided to make a regular CD of it. It will be available very soon, at least before E-Live (10th September). For a few soundbites you can go to: http://www.groove.nl/sound-f.html or http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee Later! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels Email :mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23546 Re: Okefenokee Dreams cd Rainer Rutka Tue 8/8/2000 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Tue Aug 8, 2000 3:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee Dreams cd On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 mengels@w... wrote: > Okay, here's the info. > The 'Okefenokee Dreams' CD is for now only available > as a CDR...but! it's going to be a regular CD and > will be available at www.groove.nl Hi Marcel! Good news. I'll buy an original just the day it is out. Good music must be suported ;-) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Aug 8, 2000 3:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] new member with another Keep question definitely the man to ask is Steven Feldman [ar402004@b...]. In case he's not reading this, cc: him. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: kmt [mailto:kmt10500@y...] ... > Hope you guys don't mind another question about the > Keep sondtrack. I saw a CD copy which had the same > track listing as the Blue Moon version, but the > in... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Aug 8, 2000 4:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Edgar on his high horse yeah, and for as contemptuous as he appears to be of Edgar and TD, he sure gets a lot of mileage from the 'former member of TD' branding... The 'competition' seems to me like a Jackie Chan kung fu movie: 'Your kung fu no good! MY kung fu beat you kung fu!' Might as well be 'You EM no good! No longer Berlin School! MY EM good, beat you EM! HAHAHAHA!' (you have to say that really choppy and fast, and your lips can't match your words) Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: craig.cordrey@a... [mailto:craig.cordrey@a...] ... > However, Klaus has a hired help (KDM) to make all of _his_ > controversial > remarks. And in the league of pretentious clap-trap, KDM wins > hands-down > everytime for me. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gabe Yedid Date: Tue Aug 8, 2000 11:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] workspaces Finally, I have some time to get to this: On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Sean Montgomery wrote: > > What I'm saying here is that inovation really only came out of the way a peice > > > > was composed and as such the real progress has been made in this century by > > John Cage and the like that opened up the idea that noises could be used to > > create music. > > Yes, this is something I had on my mind when I wrote my diatribe last week, but > the words to express it eluded me. TD's claims to innovation fame have been > based pretty much exclusively on their willingness to use new musical > equipment. And this stance has always played well in the media for them. We > live in an age that assumes newer is better, especially where technology is > concerned. So the band is always pointing to their new computers, their new > samplers, and saying 'look how leading-edge we are'. Point taken, but unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Based on the workspace description, any musician of means can have a 'leading edge' workspace just like this these days. Except for the DQC system, any piece of the equipment listed can be obtained easily through commercial channels. (I don't blame Edgar...he > want to leave a legacy. And he also has the more mundane problem of having to > move product in order to put food on the table...and artists throughout this > century have appealled to wealthy patrons on just the kind of level he takes in > that interview: 'buy my stuff now, because it'll reveal you to be a cultured, > better class of person'. Better yet if the art is disliked. I mean, no one > liked Van Gogh at first, and look at how expensive his work is now!) But in > reality, have the tools of electronic music-making really changed that much in > the past 12 years or so? They have, actually, but TD hasn't really made any significant use of them. The furthest advance has come in the form of physical modelling synths, but it seems none of the major EM artists have yet exploited this technique to even a fraction of its apparent potential--maybe it's overrated, but academic electronic composers seem to squeeze quite a bit out of it (they develop the systems in most cases, after all). There has been some work going on in using neural networks to create music which can learn from and adapt to itself (which I got a demo of last week), but again, this doesn't appear to have hit the EM mainstream yet. Can *any* musical artists out there right now be > called 'innovative'? I can't really think of any. But who cares? Do people in > the 20th century admire Mozart because he was 'innovative'? Mozart was certainly NOT innovative. He just happened to be a genius who did everything better than any other composer in his day and age, and developed the prevailing musical forms and language to their fullest extent. But there was certainly no exploring beyond what he knew and could work well with, no advance to the next stage of musical evolution. That part came with the Romantics ;) These days, though, 'innovation' seems to exist in a more post-modern form: advances are judged on who creates the most seamless blend of pre-existing musical styles, not who comes up with something that will make people think, 'oh yeah, I never really thought about how sound COULD be organized that way'. Well, students of > music might, but for most people it comes down to a simple thing: does the music > move you? Does it touch you? Now, I think that TD's embrace of new equipment > throughout their career *has* led to some great music, because each palette of > new sounds led to new ideas, and provoked a process of discovery. But I don't > feel that happening very much anymore. This sort of ties in with what I mentioned above...anybody with enough cash to throw around can have a studio just like TD's these days. TD has to show that in spite of that, they can use the available technology in new, exciting ways that nobody else can think of, and it's that area in which they are falling short. Citing the example of 'Starship Trooper' below, this is evidence of TD's trying to balance their pioneering(?) past with Edgar's increasing tendency to retreat into more conservative, well-understood styles as he advances in years. Sometimes, that happens to people as they get older...they become more secure with what they feel is safest, most secure, and best-undestood...and that is lethal for a band like Tangerine Dream, who still pride themselves (at least on the surface) on being at the cutting edge. But, if that is the direction Edgar wants to go, then I think it should be his own journey, and he should leave Jerome to carry on with the task of continuing to develop TD in a 'forward' direction. For what it's worth, I think Edgar could probably kick Chris Franke's ass as a classical composer, in terms of the quality and depth of the works each seems to be capable of producing in older styles (based on the examples I've heard so far). I mean, really...how innovative is an > album of electronic classical music? (Starship Trooper - coming to knock the > world on its ass in 2001!) That's why Edgar's comments lend themselves to > criticism so easilly. His commitment to intellectualism is kind of fetching, > but I think he should just worry about making good music. Ultimately, that's probably all that matters to him, and sometimes you really have to wonder if Edgar himself takes his own comments seriously. Regardless of the medium used to produce it, if he's satisfied with a piece like 'Autumn in Sonoma' (which is hardly innovative in any sense), then he's done his job, as far as he sees it. Gabe From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 12:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] workspaces >From: Gabe Yedid > >This sort of ties in with what I mentioned above...anybody with enough >cash to throw around can have a studio just like TD's these days. TD has >to show that in spite of that, they can use the available technology >in new, exciting ways that nobody else can think of, and it's that area >in which they are falling short. Anyone can create great music on $1,500 of equipment. It's all about skill and creativity. >Citing the example of 'Starship Trooper' >below, this is evidence of TD's trying to balance their pioneering(?) past >with Edgar's increasing tendency to retreat into more conservative, >well-understood styles as he advances in years. Sometimes, that happens >to people as they get older...they become more secure with what they >feel is safest, most secure, and best-undestood... I wish I could agree here. TD has almost ALWAYS discarded their musical ideas after a few years. If Edgar had really stuck with what was safest, most secure, and best-understood, we'd have more hours of wondrous early 1980's sequencing magic than we can shake a stick at. I'm not saying I want them to stay in the Tangram/White Eagle/Logos/Poland phase forever, I'd rather seem them invent something new that shows sequencing prowess. I'm just satisfying your comment on staying with 'what ya know!' >and that is lethal for a >band like Tangerine Dream, who still pride themselves (at least on the >surface) on being at the cutting edge. The only thing lethal for Tangerine Dream is completely losing their audience and---if they really want to be tossed in the New Age bin for good---reach out to that audience. Ask Nine Inch Nails if staying in the same musical vein for 10 years has been economically successful. (the answer is a resounding yes) >But, if that is the direction >Edgar wants to go, then I think it should be his own journey, and he >should leave Jerome to carry on with the task of continuing to develop TD >in a 'forward' direction. I agree completely. I guess Edgar has soured on the idea of diametrically opposed musicians being part of the band. I used to think that EVERYONE in TD changed and 'got worse' after 1986. But as I've watched videotape of a few pre-1985 concerts, I don't think Edgar has changed at all. Look at his solo stuff. He has always been melodic and always been reaching for the strings or electronic guitar. It has been Chris Franke and a 'third leg' whether this is Peter Baumann or Johannes Schmoelling who have brought darkness and sequence into the music. Jerome is trying to mimic what's playing at the dance clubs (he must be going to a tired club! I'm hearing musical ideas in TD NOW that got worn out a year or two ago in the clubs) and bring TD into it. I don't know what the 'TD solution' is and maybe it's pompous of me to make suggestions! I've listened to a few other artists who are 'TD inspired' and the more I listen, the more I realize how unique TD has been. I've written these same judging words so many times I'm almost tired of saying it. Maybe that's good. Maybe I should put my money where my mouth is because when I have tried to play something on the keyboard, so often it comes out sounding similar to present-day TD. I don't know if back then, it was hardware limitations or self-discipline to spoon-feed the listener, but re-creating 1980-1984 TD sound is a lot harder than I thought! And when I say spoon-feed, that's exactly what I loved about TD of 1974-1986. The melody your ears ache to hear is always several measures away. There is no instant gratification; a very un-American style! Livemiles was truly the end of an era. While I like bits of 220 Volt, Turn of The Tides, and most of Dream Mixes, I like these for different reasons. At some points in these albums, yes it is that spoon-feeding phenomenon I wrote about above, at other pints, it just catches my ear for some reason, the melody takes 90 degree turn that makes sense, or in the case of Dream Mixes, the best elements of Ambient House dance music come out. Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: aoutland@a... Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 2:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Okefenokee CD In a message dated 08/07/2000 5:06:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ssaalyersjj@y... writes: << all the pieces are very good... my personal favorite is Cottage #3, but, all in all, a nice piece of sequencing >> I have just begun only my second spin of Okefenokee Dreams so can't say too much about it except that I am quite pleased to have it in my collection. If the order of tracks on the album equal the order in which they were first played you can actually feel how a couple of guys-total strangers except for an equal love of TD music-began hesitantly with simple chords and minimal melody and progressed to the next tracks, coming together with more and more confidence and understanding of each other's technique to a stunningly excellent conclusion in the last track. I wish the two of you would get together in studio and create a real, polished album because I think you have merged well with each other. 8-) Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23557 Re: Okefenokee CD mengels@w... Wed 8/9/2000 3 KB 23558 Re: Okefenokee CD craig.cordrey@a... Wed 8/9/2000 3 KB 23568 Re: Okefenokee CD Marcel Engels Wed 8/9/2000 2 KB From: Scribe1964@a... Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 3:02 am Subject: The Keep on Ebay There is a CD of 'The Keep' on Ebay. URL is http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390195062&ed=964649377 Does anyone know what this is? Is a bootleg or something? --Scribe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23553 Re: The Keep on Ebay Michael A Jean Wed 8/9/2000 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 4:05 am Subject: RE: [tadream] The Keep on Ebay I don't know...I haven't seen that cover before...I will email both the seller and the buyer to see what I can find out. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Scribe1964@a... [mailto:Scribe1964@a...] > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:03 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] The Keep on Ebay > > > There is a CD of 'The Keep' on Ebay. URL is > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390195062&e > d=964649377 > > Does anyone know what this is? Is a bootleg or something? > > --Scribe > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: kmt Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 4:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep on Ebay (I have a copy) --- Scribe1964@a... wrote: > There is a CD of 'The Keep' on Ebay. URL is > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390195062&ed=964649377 > > Does anyone know what this is? Is a bootleg or > something? > > --Scribe I have a copy of this exact same CD, although I was not the high bidder on this auction, I got it from the same guy. I asked Steve Feldman about it, and I agree with what he said. It looks like it may be a CDr copy of the Blue Moon boot. The track listing is exactly the same, and there is no info anywhere on the CD disc or inserts as to by whom/where it was manufactured. The front cover insert is a piece of heavy cardstock paper, folded double, and the images look like they were done with a laser printer, and a very good one. The back insert has the track listing along with a smaller, somewhat fuzzy pic of Gabriel Byrne pointing a pistol at Molasar. The disc has a picture of the front insert image on the front of it. The back has a greenish tint compared to other CD's I have. I don't know a lot abot CDr's, but this looks like it may be one. This is the only one I've heard, so I don't know how the sound compares to the BM or any of the others. It actually sounds pretty darn good, though, although I'm sure an official release (if it ever comes) will be much better. Whatever it is, it will do until the real thing comes along. If anyone has any questions, feel free to e-mail me. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23555 Re: The Keep on Ebay (I have a copy) Feldon Feldon Wed 8/9/2000 2 KB 23556 Re: The Keep on Ebay (I have a copy) kmt Wed 8/9/2000 2 KB 23563 Re: The Keep on Ebay (I have a copy) Steven Feldman Wed 8/9/2000 3 KB 23562 Re: The Keep on Ebay (I have a copy) Scribe1964@a... Wed 8/9/2000 2 KB 23566 Re: The Keep on Ebay (I have a copy) Sean Montgomery Wed 8/9/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 4:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep on Ebay (I have a copy) >From: kmt > >although I'm sure an >official release (if it ever comes) will be much >better. >Whatever it is, it will do until the real thing comes >along. There is an 'official' Keep soundtrack. It has about half the music from the movie (even the end theme is missing) and nearly all of it is 'updated' with 1998 sounds. My 2c. Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: kmt Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 5:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep on Ebay (I have a copy) <> Morgan Is it currently available to purchase? If it's OOP, I guess I still have to wait. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23563 Re: The Keep on Ebay (I have a copy) Steven Feldman Wed 8/9/2000 3 KB From: mengels@w... Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 7:35 am Subject: Re: Okefenokee CD --- In tadream@egroups.com, aoutland@a... wrote: Thanks Dell. Oh yes, it was a progression we went through. I still remember practising at Vic's place. We recorded about 3 or 4 tapes and I can tell you that a lot of it isn't exactly release-ready :-). Considering we never met and played together we did quite well and got better. Would be nice to do a studio-album only there is about 48928204932 miles between us...:-) Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels (/okefenokee) Email :mengels@w... > I have just begun only my second spin of Okefenokee Dreams so can't say > too much about it except that I am quite pleased to have it in my collection. > If the order of tracks on the album equal the order in which they were first > played you can actually feel how a couple of guys-total strangers except for > an equal love of TD music-began hesitantly with simple chords and minimal > melody and progressed to the next tracks, coming together with more and more > confidence and understanding of each other's technique to a stunningly > excellent conclusion in the last track. I wish the two of you would get > together in studio and create a real, polished album because I think you have > merged well with each other. 8-) Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23558 Re: Okefenokee CD craig.cordrey@a... Wed 8/9/2000 3 KB 23568 Re: Okefenokee CD Marcel Engels Wed 8/9/2000 2 KB From: craig.cordrey@a... Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 8:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee CD >Would be nice to do a studio-album only there is >about 48928204932 miles between us...:-) You mean Dave lives on Jupiter? Or is that some of the famous Dutch space dust blowing through there, Marcel? 8-) NP : SoD 2 - first time in quite a while +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@a... | | craig.cordrey@b... | | Senior Systems Engineer | | Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 | | Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division | | Donibristle, Fife, Scotland | +------------------------------------------------------------+ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23568 Re: Okefenokee CD Marcel Engels Wed 8/9/2000 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 7:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] workspaces << Anyone can create great music on $1,500 of equipment. It's all about skill and creativity. >> *(?) Say What? I'm sorry, but I have to disagree... I know some people with tens of thousands of dollars of gear that couldn't write music to save their lives...I'd agree with the last sentence, though... Poly From: 'j.gordon' Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 11:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] workspaces > And when I say spoon-feed, that's exactly what I loved about TD of > 1974-1986. The melody your ears ache to hear is always several measures > away. There is no instant gratification; a very un-American style! Livemiles > was truly the end of an era. say it brutha... it was, it was... but what and end, eh?... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From: 'Manuel Marino' Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 12:04 pm Subject: Microtonal music in TD A friend told me about TD using of microtonal scales... BUT WHERE? which pieces? can you tell me more about this thing? _________________________________ Manuel 'Vanethian' Marino --> http://www.mp3.com/Vanethian _________________________________________________ Best electronic, space, horror and fantasy music: Fright Night Horror Radio Station --> http://www.mp3.com/stations/fright_night Galaxy Channel 7 Radio Station --> http://www.mp3.com/stations/galaxy_channel_7 Galaxy Channel 8 Radio Station --> http://www.mp3.com/stations/galaxy_channel_8 Galaxy Channel 9 Radio Station --> http://www.mp3.com/stations/galaxy_channel_9 ---------------------------------------------------- Join *The New Music Frontier* Free Email Group! http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/TheNewMusicFrontier ---------------------------------------------------- From: Scribe1964@a... Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 12:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep on Ebay (I have a copy) Thanks for the info. If this is a CDR (and it does sound like one), then this seller has some nerve calling it a 'rare promo CD.' -Ric > have a copy of this exact same CD, although I was > not the high bidder on this auction, I got it from the > same guy. I asked Steve Feldman about it, and I agree > with what he said. It looks like it may be a CDr copy > of the Blue Moon boot. The track listing is exactly > the same, and there is no info anywhere on the CD disc > or inserts as to by whom/where it was manufactured. > From: Steven Feldman Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 5:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep on Ebay (I have a copy) On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:00:20 -0700 (PDT) kmt said: >[re the TDI THE KEEP Special Edition CD:] >Is it currently available to purchase? If it's OOP, I >guess I still have to wait. Don't hold your breath. The first version of the TDI CD cost $40- $45 on tour in the UK if you could snag one. The second version came 'free' with another two CDs for $180, and the band promised that it would probably never be made available again. -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - Quip: 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.' --Albert Einstein Another: 'Science is to investigate the unexplained, not to 'explain' the uninvestigated.' --Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist and UFO researcher From: Derk Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 12:56 pm Subject: Antique Dreams Currently playing and loving this disc. Lots of material from the early eighties which makes this helpless Schmoelling era addict very happy indeed! The shining moment of this disc for me is Calymba Caly. If I had any say in it, Edgar would release a 4CD box set entitled 'Live 1980-1983'. I'm sure there must be enough unreleased gems locked away in Edgar's safe to fill 4 CDs worth of live material. It will probably never happen, but one can dream (pun intended). Derk From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 1:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams << Currently playing and loving this disc. Derk >> * I can't believe my luck here I got this sealed for $5 a couple of days ago.... I like the Sorceror and Thief and Phaedra of Nottingham sections... nice to hear them making some low end rumblings like the old days, but with new sounds... Overall I like this one more than I thought I would... Though Electronic Orgy has a lot of great UNTOUCHED stuff... Poly From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep on Ebay (I have a copy) Steven Feldman wrote: > The second version came 'free' with another two CDs for $180, and the band > promised that it would probably never be made available again. Not with the same cover art or t-shirt, anyway. ;-) -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams >From: Derk > >Currently playing and loving this disc. Lots of material from the early >eighties which makes this helpless Schmoelling era addict very happy >indeed! >The shining moment of this disc for me is Calymba Caly. If I had any say in >it, Edgar would release a 4CD box set entitled 'Live 1980-1983'. I agree! And uh Edgar, let US choose which material please! Cause even though I'm thrilled that Calymba City appeared on Antique Dreams, it's one of the more repetitive and least melodic versions that was played. People can say that TD didn't improvise much after 1976, but the fantapes tell otherwise. There are drastic differences between one concert and another. >I'm sure >there must be enough unreleased gems locked away in Edgar's safe to fill 4 >CDs worth of live material. >It will probably never happen, but one can dream (pun intended). I can tell you there's enough *unique* music from 1980-1983 to fill 4-5 CDs (ignoring the tangentized Sohoman and including live versions of the tracks on White Eagle and Exit if they are significantly different). Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 5:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Okefenokee CD > From: craig.cordrey@a... [mailto:craig.cordrey@a...] > > You mean Dave lives on Jupiter? No I'm Mars. > Or is that some of the famous Dutch space dust blowing through > there, Marcel? > 8-) Hahaha. > NP : SoD 2 - first time in quite a while Wonderful disc! The best antique TD never released. Marcel From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 6:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams > >The shining moment of this disc for me is Calymba Caly. If I had any say in > >it, Edgar would release a 4CD box set entitled 'Live 1980-1983'. > > I agree! And uh Edgar, let US choose which material please! Yeah, I mean, we composed and performed the material. It's only right that we get to choose the material that's released! no, wait... - jim From: kmt Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 9:22 pm Subject: Keep CDr on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=404630284 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Aug 9, 2000 7:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams >From: 'Jim Moore' > > > >The shining moment of this disc for me is Calymba Caly. If I had any >say >in > > >it, Edgar would release a 4CD box set entitled 'Live 1980-1983'. > > > > I agree! And uh Edgar, let US choose which material please! > >Yeah, I mean, we composed and performed the material. It's only right that >we get to choose the material that's released! no, wait... I knew I would get a flippant response from this. First of all, it's obvious that Edgar doesn't particularly like the old material, as he modifies almost every bit of it before releasing it. Second of all, *since* he doesn't like most of it, how is he going to choose amongst all the concerts and pick the best sounding material? Any fan can tell you that OF the 1981 concerts, the one that appeared on Three Tier Dream disc 2 was the best. It has more feeling than any of the other concerts recorded that year. Third, we all know that Edgar isn't going to release what we want, so this is all lip service. Sorry if I ruffled your feathers but there aren't too many other bands out there that have tons of unreleased material and the one person who is releasing them feels like it's labor instead of a joy. Most other bands would kill to be in Edgar's shoes. Tons of unreleased material, and an untapped market of tens of thousands of fans who prefer their old material. That's a money machine if there ever was. Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Aug 10, 2000 8:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams --- Feldon Feldon wrote: > >Yeah, I mean, we composed and performed the material. It's only right that > >we get to choose the material that's released! no, wait... > > I knew I would get a flippant response from this. good thing you weren't disappointed, eh? :) > First of all, it's obvious that Edgar doesn't particularly like the old > material, as he modifies almost every bit of it before releasing it. hmmmmmmm... i'm not sure that the fact that he modifies the music denotes a dislike for it... it may be easy to think that, but, as far as i can see, that's all it is: easy to think... to lend credence (if possible) to the following perspective, i'm a published writer of about 10 years and a musician of the same length... in both my writing and music., i find myself always moving on to new ideas and releasing the passion or excitement i held for older one... now when i go back and look at my earlier work, i don't think it bad, or dislike it... i merely see it with different sight than when i created it, the 'if-i-did-that-piece-now-i'd...' the same goes for my music... older pieces that i love, when i hear them now, i still feel that if i could just do THIS or change THAT, i might suit me more, now... dunno... may Ed feels some of that too... posterity is a poor imputes... he HAS created more music than most people ever would, and he's got a lot of backlog to choose from... but 'tangentization', i think, cannot credibly be equated with 'dislike', only a different perspective... > Second of all, *since* he doesn't like most of it, how is he going to choose > amongst all the concerts and pick the best sounding material? Any fan can > tell you that OF the 1981 concerts, the one that appeared on Three Tier > Dream disc 2 was the best. It has more feeling than any of the other > concerts recorded that year. that may be true, but Ed can't listen with fan ears, as we can't like with the composer's ears... does that make his choice any less valid...? > Tons of unreleased material, and an > untapped market of tens of thousands of fans who prefer their old material. > That's a money machine if there ever was. this, i think, is something that all can agree on: money is not, at least anymore, a driving factor for Ed... but, in any case, i point to your own testimony of AD to illuminate one thing: it seems he is willing to release older material, some of it even 'untouched'... i'm torn between feeling as you, and others, have stated: i wish he would leave the stuff alone, as i think it's great the way it is... and bristling at the idea of critisizing Ed because he has modified it... as opposed to simply stating one's dislike for it... to me, there is a world of difference between 'I think this sucks.' and 'Ed, you know not what you do, cuz this sucks.' i'm now lighter by $.02... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23573 Re: Antique Dreams mengels@w... Thu 8/10/2000 2 KB 23574 Re: Antique Dreams craig.cordrey@a... Thu 8/10/2000 4 KB From: mengels@w... Date: Thu Aug 10, 2000 8:59 am Subject: Re: Antique Dreams --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'j.gordon' wrote: > > hmmmmmmm... i'm not sure that the fact that he modifies the music denotes a > dislike for it... it may be easy to think that, but, as far as i can see, > that's all it is: easy to think... Yes, could be that he now think: what if I did that piece now... Or maybe he wants to mask the bumm notes or something? Bumm notes which, in my ears, makes it live. Anyway, imo, you can't/musn't change the past...it has happened for a reason. What if we would have a time machine and change history like stopping WWII or something...of course that would be a good idea, but somehow I think it has happened with a reason. (although I can't think of anything positive, so don't get any wrong ideas about me). Later! Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels (/okefenokee) Email :mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23574 Re: Antique Dreams craig.cordrey@a... Thu 8/10/2000 4 KB From: craig.cordrey@a... Date: Thu Aug 10, 2000 10:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Antique Dreams Every new 'Classic' album is now bringing out the same arguments/discussion, but I don't mind repeating myself with a little tangentizing on top. 8-) >What if we would have a time machine and change history >like stopping WWII or something...of course that would be a >good idea, but somehow I think it has happened with a reason. >(although I can't think of anything positive, so don't get >any wrong ideas about me). I'd agree the war was _not_ a good thing (that's a given). However, the aftermath of the war has certainly shaped the world we now live in. The creation of Israel at the expense of the Palestinians is just one act that has had significant world-wde repurcussions. I would suggest that had WWII not occurred, the world would not be the same place. Anyway, that's an aside for a different list, me-thinks. Getting back to the 'Classic' series, my personal issue with TDI is the lack of information being presented to the non-mad-fan (i.e. not us on the list). It is the presentation of these updated pieces as 'recorded live at x in 19yy' that irritates me. By all means, update the tracks in any manner that you see fit - just please mark them as such (as was done on the Tangents set when tracks were re-recorded) on external CD packaging so buyers can make an educated decision. NP : Classics (by Aphex Twin) 8-) +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@a... | | craig.cordrey@b... | | Senior Systems Engineer | | Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 | | Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division | | Donibristle, Fife, Scotland | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From: kmt Date: Thu Aug 10, 2000 6:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams > First of all, it's obvious that Edgar doesn't > particularly like the old > material, as he modifies almost every bit of it > before releasing it. I wonder if this could be true. I read what he said on the TD site and it does seem that he's trying to distance himself from the past, not just move forward. His comments about people wanting to live in the past or feeling more secure with the familiarity of the past do not ring true for me, at least. I didn't start listening to TD until 1990. If my intro to TD had been via the stuff they were doing at that time, I probably wouldn't have had any desire to hear more. But since the first TD stuff I heard was the mid 70's material, I wanted to check out everything they had done. People like what they like for a reason. If someone or something comes along to change it, that will make some people unhappy. And then, inevitably, someone will say, 'well, you just don't like change.' But if someone alters the music you like, it's possible they will alter the very elements that drew you to their music in the first place. > Most other bands > would kill to be in Edgar's shoes. Tons of > unreleased material, and an > untapped market of tens of thousands of fans who > prefer their old material. > That's a money machine if there ever was. That's exactly right. Here's a guy who's in the position where he can continue in whatever musical/personal direction he chooses, and at the same time, has all this older material that so many people want to hear. He doesn't have to 'compromise' his new music with Rubicon era compositions. They're already there, just waiting to be shared and enjoyed. Maybe that's part of the 'problem'. Maybe Edgar is one of those guys who just isn't that motivated by money. That's one of the advantages of being a Bowie fan. Half a dozen different versons of all his new material. And I'm certainly not complaining. I gladly give the guy my $$ for his music. And I'd gladly give it to Edgar, if he only wanted it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23576 Re: Antique Dreams Gabe Yedid Thu 8/10/2000 3 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Thu Aug 10, 2000 9:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, kmt wrote: > I wonder if this could be true. I read what he said on > the TD site and it does seem that he's trying to > distance himself from the past, not just move forward. > His comments about people wanting to live in the past > or feeling more secure with the familiarity of the > past do not ring true for me, at least. Considering the rather heavy neo-classical influence Edgar has introduced to TD's music over the past few years, I find such statements to be teetering on the edge of sheer hypocrisy. > People like what they like for a reason. If someone or > something comes along to change it, that will make > some people unhappy. And then, inevitably, someone > will say, 'well, you just don't like change.' But if > someone alters the music you like, it's possible they > will alter the very elements that drew you to their > music in the first place. Well put, and it's a statement that's probably true of a majority of people on this list. I would extend that to cover not just Tangentization, but TD's changes of style in general, as many of the elements of their classic sound have been downplayed or dropped altogether after 1988. > Maybe that's part of the 'problem'. Maybe Edgar is one > of those guys who just isn't that motivated by money. Really??? So, why are TDI CDs so wallet-draining then? And why all the non-musical merchandise? Gabe From: _lhooq@e... Date: Thu Aug 10, 2000 9:53 pm Subject: .01 Sealed Electronic Orgy on ebay! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=406241643 _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From: kmt Date: Thu Aug 10, 2000 10:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams I said: >Maybe that's part of the 'problem'. Maybe >Edgar is one of those guys who just isn't >that motivated by money. Gabe said: >Really??? So, why are TDI CDs so >wallet-draining then? And why all the >non-musical merchandise? >Gabe Me again: The one thing I have learned from these lists is that my knowledge of the band and their music is woefully lacking. Up to this point, I have been content to replay Rubicon & Phaedra et al, over and over, although I do try and keep up with the bands newer music. I just don't get into the newer stuff very much. As a result, their CDs haven't been all that wallet draining for me personally. As for non-musical merchandise, I don't know anything about that. I often make statements from the vacuum of my own ignorance. This was one of those times. I'm sure it won't be the last. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Fri Aug 11, 2000 12:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] workspaces << Anyone can create great music on $1,500 of equipment. It's all about skill and creativity. >> *(?) Say What? I'm sorry, but I have to disagree... I know some people with tens of thousands of dollars of gear that couldn't write music to save their lives...I'd agree with the last sentence, though... Poly I have created passable sounds with £400 worth of gear. An M1 and a four track. From: snowdog747@a... Date: Fri Aug 11, 2000 3:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator I have read all of the theories about the sound/distortion/?? on 'Soundmill Navigator. I decided to 'unlurk' and propose my own theory. What if it is actually supposed to be part of the music. Before everyone goes off, give me a second. I have heard electronic instruments that have a clock/oscillator that can be heard if one pays close attention. To a performer, this timing sequence is natural. Maybe Edgar, in trying to preserve the true spirit of the music purposefully left the 'oscillator' on the tape??? It may have been on to help keep them together. It normally could not be heard by an audience. I know this sounds a bit nuts, but I am having a hard time believing that they would leave such a glaring mistake for all to hear. I have to think its there for a reason. (to create discussion or to drive us all crazy???) This may have already been proposed so I apoligize if I am repeating old discussion. It is hard to always keep up with the amount of good information and discussion that is communicated in this forum. Ben Graber NP: Nothing.....the baby is asleep....... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23582 Re: Soundmill Navigator mengels@w... Fri 8/11/2000 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Aug 11, 2000 3:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator >From: snowdog747@a... > >I have read all of the theories about the sound/distortion/?? on 'Soundmill >Navigator. I decided to 'unlurk' and propose my own theory. What if it is >actually supposed to be part of the music. An official from Tangerine Dream (Martin K.) has already informed us that it is a defect in the original recording. And if this were a problem with the equipment, then fantapes and other recordings from 1976-1977 would have the same defect. >I know this sounds a bit nuts, but I am having a hard time believing that >they would leave such a glaring mistake for all to hear. Ben, go pick up Antique Dreams and listen to the tape hiss on tracks 1 and 3. A few minutes of twiddling in SoundEdit 16 on the Mac or SoundForge on the PC would have completely eliminated this without impacting the music in the slightest. Regards, Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: mengels@w... Date: Fri Aug 11, 2000 7:27 am Subject: Re: Soundmill Navigator --- In tadream@egroups.com, snowdog747@a... wrote: > I have read all of the theories about the sound/distortion/?? on 'Soundmill > Navigator. I decided to 'unlurk' and propose my own theory. What if it is > actually supposed to be part of the music. Before everyone goes off, give me > a second. I have heard electronic instruments that have a clock/oscillator > that can be heard if one pays close attention. To a performer, this timing > sequence is natural. Common man! Now you're talking nuts...:-) It's no clock...I don't think they ever used a clock on their headphones for the timing. And you can't hear clocks in a sequencer...yes, you can set it up to make a sort of beep at every count but the noise and cracks in Soundmill is not a clock. Even if it was a clock it's pretty out of beat. Not the sort of clock I would like to hear. No, it's (imo) a mastering flaw...this doesn't sound like it was in the original recording, it's too fresh and high sounding for it. I wonder what people would say if someone else (or me) would release a CD with such noise/cracks on it...will somebody defend me by saying it is the sequencer-clock? :-) I've got another theory why there are noises/cracks in the recording but it will probably get me banned from the list...:-) And I don't want that cause I have respect for what TD has done. Marcel :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels (/okefenokee) Email :mengels@w... From: kmt Date: Fri Aug 11, 2000 7:50 am Subject: why is TDI010 'official' why is TDI010 the official version of the Keep soundtrack if only 3 or 4 of the 16 tracks were in the movie? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23584 Re: why is TDI010 'official' craig.cordrey@a... Fri 8/11/2000 3 KB 23586 Re: why is TDI010 'official' Feldon Feldon Fri 8/11/2000 2 KB 23589 Re: why is TDI010 'official' Steven Feldman Fri 8/11/2000 3 KB From: craig.cordrey@a... Date: Fri Aug 11, 2000 8:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] why is TDI010 'official' >why is TDI010 the official version of the Keep >soundtrack if only 3 or 4 of the 16 tracks were in the >movie? Because Ed says so. Because it has TDI on the label. Because none of the other Keep versions have the band's blessing. Don't know if the film studio or Michael Mann consider it the 'official' soundtrack, though. NP : Near Dark +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@a... | | craig.cordrey@b... | | Senior Systems Engineer | | Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 | | Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division | | Donibristle, Fife, Scotland | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Aug 11, 2000 2:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Antique Dreams >From: kmt > >Me again: >The one thing I have learned from these lists is that >my knowledge of the band and their music is woefully >lacking. Up to this point, I have been content to >replay Rubicon & Phaedra et al, over and over, >although I do try and keep up with the bands newer >music. I just don't get into the newer stuff very >much. You can learn alot by hearing concert recordings of TD. If you were to hear a few hours of 1974-1976 material you'd learn alot about TD. How they played, just how improvised it was, and really just how amazing musicians they are. How many people climb on stage with a few hundred thousand in equipment and play for and hour and a half without a single page of sheet music or any plan or destination in mind? Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23587 Re: Antique Dreams mengels@w... Fri 8/11/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Aug 11, 2000 1:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] why is TDI010 'official' It's more like half, even if some are labeled differently, but you get the idea. It's hardly TD's or the director's original soundtrack for the movie. Morgan >From: kmt >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] why is TDI010 'official' >Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:50:16 -0700 (PDT) > >why is TDI010 the official version of the Keep >soundtrack if only 3 or 4 of the 16 tracks were in the >movie? > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23589 Re: why is TDI010 'official' Steven Feldman Fri 8/11/2000 3 KB From: mengels@w... Date: Fri Aug 11, 2000 1:51 pm Subject: Re: Antique Dreams --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Feldon Feldon' wrote: >How many people climb on stage with a few hundred thousand in > equipment and play for and hour and a half without a single page of sheet > music or any plan or destination in mind? Hmmm take away the hundred thousand in equipment and you'll get me and Dave Brewer or me and Ruud Heij. :-) Plus I never played with Dave before so thats even less then the above... And it's so much fun to do! Marcel From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Fri Aug 11, 2000 3:03 pm Subject: RE: The man with no name kmt wrote: >.. if someone alters the music you like, it's possible they >will alter the very elements that drew you to their >music in the first place. So obvious, yet such a clever way of expressing it. There is of course a big difference between the Tangerine Dream of the 70's and the 90's and why should't it be so. It's just that progression has led them into another field of music (within the Electronic music cathegory). Progression means moving forward, breaking new ground, but just because TD makes progress it doesn't necessarily mean the invention of something brand new. To clarify, TD in the 90's frequently sounded like Serge Blenner ,and the likes, used to do in the 70's. New for TD but not something revolutionary new music-wise. And in the 70's I preferred TD to Serge Blenner, if You see what I mean. Regarding the reactions to the interview with Edgar: If the music he has in store for the future is a lot different from what we've been served in the the last decade, it is certainly interesting news. He doesn't believe that the fans are ready for the next leap forward yet and as I said earlier I can sympathize with that to some extent. However, such a statement is possible to interpret in many ways, not least evident by reading the latest bunch of tadream-digests. The one to critizise for this mustn't be Edgar though, but rather the journalist who did the interview, as he forgot to ask the obvious follow-up question: What do you mean by that? Have a nice weekend Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23590 Re: The man with no name Feldon Feldon Fri 8/11/2000 2 KB 23596 Re: The man with no name kmt Sat 8/12/2000 2 KB 23597 Re: The man with no name Jim Moore Sat 8/12/2000 2 KB 23599 Re: The man with no name Jim Moore Sat 8/12/2000 3 KB 23603 Re: The man with no name kmt Sat 8/12/2000 3 KB 23605 Re: The man with no name Feldon Feldon Sat 8/12/2000 5 KB 23607 Re: The man with no name kmt Sat 8/12/2000 2 KB 23610 Re: The man with no name Marcel Engels Sun 8/13/2000 2 KB 23608 Re: The man with no name Matthew Sawyer Sun 8/13/2000 2 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Fri Aug 11, 2000 3:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] why is TDI010 'official' On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:35:05 CDT Feldon Feldon said: >It's more like half, even if some are labeled differently [. . .] No, kmt is right; it's three and a half. >>From: kmt >>To: tadream@egroups.com >>Subject: [tadream] why is TDI010 'official' >>Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:50:16 -0700 (PDT) >> >>why is TDI010 the official version of the Keep soundtrack if >>only 3 or 4 of the 16 tracks were in the movie? -- Steven Feldman -- webmaster of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Fri Aug 11, 2000 3:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: The man with no name Urrgh. It's not that TD has changed, because they radically changed their music style from 1974-1986 and most of us loved every bit of it. It's that there is nothing about recent TD that makes me want to sit there and stare off into space for hours listening to it the way I do the older stuff. It's all about the sequencing and holding back and patience. As Edgar has said, he and Jerome compose music on the airplane. None of the TD music from pre-1986 was composed in such a way was it? I thought they just noodled around in the studio until they got some tunes and sequences they liked.... Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Pergamon' Date: Fri Aug 11, 2000 10:54 pm Subject: DVD????? Hello Everyone I have just become the lucky owner of a DVD-player, does anyone know how many and what films featuring TD-music is available on DVD?????? And if, where can I get hold of them?????? Thanks in advance Jan Why do we have so much trouble understanding animal behaviour, mayby because, the animals that could tell us these thing, we either consider as food, inferiour beings, or kill for pleasure. pergamon@g... http://hjem.get2net.dk/pergamon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23592 Re: DVD????? Matthew Sawyer Fri 8/11/2000 2 KB 23595 Re: DVD????? tom george Sat 8/12/2000 2 KB 23640 Re: DVD????? Erik Sanborn Mon 8/14/2000 3 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Fri Aug 11, 2000 11:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DVD????? From: Pergamon > I have just become the lucky owner of a DVD-player, > does anyone know how many and what films featuring > TD-music is available on DVD?????? And if, where can I > get hold of them?????? I'd suggest a trip to www.imdb.com Do a search for TD to list all the films they've written for. IMDB will have the DVD details and links to Amazon to buy them. Maff From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 1:03 am Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#406727759: Tangerine Dream Golden Collection CD rare im I saw this item for sale at eBay, the world's largest personal trading community, and thought that you might be interested. Title of item: Tangerine Dream Golden Collection CD rare im Seller: etrade_su@m... Starts: Aug-11-00 05:44:58 PDT Ends: Aug-14-00 05:44:58 PDT Price: Currently $3.74 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=406727759 Item Description: Untitled Tangerine Dream 'Golden Collection 2000' CD RIM OF SCHIAPARELLI DEEP SPACE CRUISER UNITED GOBLINS PARADE RED ROADSTER MELROSE MOUNT SHASTA SUN GATE CHORONZON EXIT CLOUDBURST FLIGHT SAMMER STORM LIFTED VEIL SPIRAL STAR DATE MARS MISSION COUNTER Please read this terms carefully before make purchase Terms of Payment Accept only thru online secure application form. Terms of Shipping Seller ship internationally. Delivery from Ukraine approx. 10-14 days by registred Airmail. Buyer will pay fixed sum $3.99 for S&H to any country. We do not ship to P.O.boxes. Please note, we ship every 2 CD as price of 1 CD if shipping address the same and shipment in the same day. Additional info Low start bid! Quantity Available 1 Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at http://www.ebay.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23594 Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#406727 Matthew Sawyer Sat 8/12/2000 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 1:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Interesting item on eBay web site item#406727759: Tangerine Dream Golden Collection CD rare im From: > I saw this item for sale at eBay, the world's largest > personal trading community, and thought that you > might be interested. Now that didn't look like an automated message at all, did it? ;-) Maff From: 'tom george' Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 3:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DVD????? i too just bought a DVD player. the first DVD i put my hands on was 'What a Blast' and is it cool. don't know if i will search for movies scored by them but i will sure look for their music videos. most movies i have no desire to own. i will stick with rentals. tom On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:43:17 Matthew Sawyer wrote: >From: Pergamon > >> I have just become the lucky owner of a DVD-player, >> does anyone know how many and what films featuring >> TD-music is available on DVD?????? And if, where can I >> get hold of them?????? > >I'd suggest a trip to www.imdb.com >Do a search for TD to list all the films they've written for. IMDB will have the >DVD details and links to Amazon to buy them. > > >Maff > > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: kmt Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 6:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: The man with no name --- Feldon Feldon wrote: > Urrgh. It's not that TD has changed, because they > radically changed their > music style from 1974-1986 and most of us loved > every bit of it. It's that > there is nothing about recent TD that makes me want > to sit there and stare > off into space for hours listening to it the way I > do the older stuff. > Morgan I'm with ya on that one. Maybe that's why they called it space music. What about driving aroud lost in some strange city at 2 a.m. with Rubicon playing on the car stereo? That's an adventure in surrealism. Or running thru the snow at twilight, the freezing cold air burning holes in your lungs and the main title of the Keep blasting on your modified walkman ... for some of us, these guys have provided the soundtracks for our lives. I miss that sometimes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23597 Re: The man with no name Jim Moore Sat 8/12/2000 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 1:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: The man with no name > From: kmt [mailto:kmt10500@y...] > for some of us, these guys have provided the > soundtracks for our lives. I miss that sometimes. For some of us, they still do... - jim From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 2:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Interesting item on eBay web site item#406727759: Tangerine Dream Golden Collection CD rare im Nice pirate CD. Wouldn't be surprised if Edgar got that pulled off eBay. >From: rbrown4856@a... >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Interesting item on eBay web site item#406727759: >Tangerine Dream Golden Collection CD rare im >Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:03:46 PDT > >I saw this item for sale at eBay, the world's largest personal trading >community, and thought that you might be interested. > >Title of item: Tangerine Dream Golden Collection CD rare im >Seller: etrade_su@m... >Starts: Aug-11-00 05:44:58 PDT >Ends: Aug-14-00 05:44:58 PDT >Price: Currently $3.74 >To bid on the item, go >to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=406727759 > > >Item Description: > > > > > Untitled > > > > > > > > > > > > >Tangerine Dream 'Golden Collection 2000' CD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RIM OF SCHIAPARELLI > DEEP SPACE CRUISER > UNITED GOBLINS PARADE > RED ROADSTER > MELROSE > MOUNT SHASTA > SUN GATE > CHORONZON > EXIT > CLOUDBURST FLIGHT > SAMMER STORM > LIFTED VEIL > SPIRAL STAR DATE > MARS MISSION COUNTER > > > > > > > > > > > Please read this terms carefully before make purchase > > > > Terms of Payment > > > Accept only > > > thru online secure application form. > > > > > Terms of Shipping > Seller ship internationally. Delivery from Ukraine approx. 10-14 days >by registred Airmail. >Buyer will pay fixed sum $3.99 for S&H to any country. >We do not ship to P.O.boxes. Please note, we ship every 2 CD as price of 1 >CD if shipping address the same and shipment in the same day. > > > > Additional info > Low start bid! > > > > Quantity Available > 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at >http://www.ebay.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 8:04 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: The man with no name Winamp, eh? I use RealAudio, myself... haha! 'Music for Trade Show Booths'? Hmmm... that sounds more like a Franke album title to me! I had a much more acidic response kmt's message, but I edited it at the last minute before I sent it -- it must be work or something that's getting to me, but I've really been tired of the complaining on the list, and I'm starting to vent. Yes, yes, yes, they're entitled to their opinion, and they are entitled to voice it in such a forum, but geez... Later! - jim -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...] Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 2:36 PM To: 'Jim Moore ' Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: The man with no name Indeed. I have a huge rotation of songs in a Winamp playlist that I run almost continuously in our office. Newer TD is a big portion of this rather eclectic playlist. I've mentioned before that it is also great music for trade show booths (hmmm... do I see an album name there?), but what's great is that it is good for both the ambient, semi-listening situation as well as headphones-on and fully attentive, IMHO. THis includes card driving, running, bus-riding, working out, just plain working, phone-on-hold music, etc. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Jim Moore To: tadream@egroups.com Sent: 8/12/00 9:59 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: The man with no name > From: kmt [mailto:kmt10500@y...] > for some of us, these guys have provided the > soundtracks for our lives. I miss that sometimes. For some of us, they still do... - jim PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net From: horrod6 Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 8:49 pm Subject: Re: that quote Actually, 'that' quote makes me feel very sorry for Edgar. After all, if the people that buy TD's music are so dumb, how must that make him feel about his life's work? Maybe he should remember the wise advice - engage brain before opening mouth. LnH Marion From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 9:43 pm Subject: For Franke Fans...? I just acquired a CD release from Spalax (released year 2000) of Lutz Ulbrich's 'Luul' from Agitation Free. This is a very cool CD released Krautrock style (all in German) with a 1981 beat. What is interesting are the credits. They read (beside the Nico credits): Chris Franke: Abmischung, Sequenzer, Elektronischeds Schlagzeug, Synthetizer Dank: (many omitted) Cornelia Franke (Chris' wife?) Klaus Kruger Produktion: Christoph Franke. I recommend that you get this into your collection. Enjoy! Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23609 Re: For Franke Fans...? Robert Grabowsky Sun 8/13/2000 2 KB 23621 Re: For Franke Fans...? Vic Rek Sun 8/13/2000 2 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 9:55 pm Subject: First Warsaw Concert I just received a CD-R from a Polish friend that features the first Warsaw concert. It is titled 'First Warsaw Concert - Ice Hall 'TORWAR' 10.12.83' I guess there was a second show that was recorded for the CD release. At the moment, I don't have access to the facts, but if someone out there could send to the list the whole history of the Warsaw shows - that would be great! I know that these shows had many problems due to the freezing cold - the CD-R has a home photo of many cold Polish fans standing around with Edgar and Chris (in the far back) and having a great time! Where is Schmoelling in this picture? Anyway, it would be great if someone could post the entire story of the famous 1983 Warsaw 'Ice' concerts. Vic From: kmt Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 10:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: The man with no name --- Jim Moore wrote: > I had a much more acidic response kmt's message, but > I edited it at the > last minute before I sent it -- it must be work or > something that's > getting to me, but I've really been tired of the > complaining on the > list, and I'm starting to vent. Yes, yes, yes, > they're entitled to > their opinion, and they are entitled to voice it in > such a forum, but > geez... > > Later! > > - jim I didn't think I was really complaining, just said I missed the old stuff (is that a complaint? If so, guilty as charged.) I've heard a lot of the same stuff from Bowie fans who don't like any of his newer stuff, and I think, 'well, just listen to what you like and get over it.' Now, I say the same things about TD that I get tired of hearing from disillusioned db fans. Maybe this will help me be more tolerant of those who can't get past the Ziggy era. So I understand how you (and I'm sure a lot of other people) feel about the negativity about the new stuff. I wonder if it's a big turn-off for Edgar and the rest of TD? (I'm sure it is). I mean, here they are, travelling in a direction musically that they feel is right for them at this time, and a lot of people throw negative vibes and comments at them because they're not up to Rubicon VI. So they concentrate on making the people happy who enjoy what they are doing now, and who give them positive feedback that artists need. Some people are rather crude and mean in their criticism of the bands new direction (ever peruse the guestbook at TDI and see some of that stuff? A lot of it has been deleted). It's a shame that the band has to associate their older music with those comments and attitudes. I wouldn't blame them if they didn't want to play it anymore. Maybe I should go give some of the new stuff a try. Think I'll start with Cyclone :) kmt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 10:18 pm Subject: Germans on eBay? Recently I've seen a few nice items up for bid on eBay by the Germans. BUT they either restrict their bidders to be from Germany or Europe. WHY? I would think that when you sell (esp. in an auction) you'd like to reach the biggest base of fans that would be interested to bid. Why would it be a problem to send some item to USA or Australia (for example) if that person was the highest bidder - and most likely giving the seller a better profit, especially when the winner pays for the shipping? Can someone from Germany please explain this philosophy why Germans try to restrict themselves from the global market??? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23606 Re: Germans on eBay? kmt Sat 8/12/2000 3 KB 23616 Re: Germans on eBay? Rhen, Kris Sun 8/13/2000 3 KB 23623 Re: Germans on eBay? Phil Wingfield Sun 8/13/2000 2 KB 23629 Re: Germans on eBay? Vic Rek Mon 8/14/2000 3 KB 23634 Re: Germans on eBay? Michael A Jean Mon 8/14/2000 4 KB 23639 Re: Germans on eBay? j.gordon Mon 8/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 10:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: The man with no name >From: kmt > >I didn't think I was really complaining, just said I >missed the old stuff (is that a complaint? If so, >guilty as charged.) I've heard a lot of the same stuff >from Bowie fans who don't like any of his newer stuff, >and I think, 'well, just listen to what you like and >get over it.' Now, I say the same things about TD that >I get tired of hearing from disillusioned db fans. >Maybe this will help me be more tolerant of those who >can't get past the Ziggy era. I don't really care much what musical direction Edgar and Co. take Tangerine Dream these days. The only thing that is making a handful of us pull our hair out is we ALL know that there are over 60 hours of unreleased, and uniquely different music in their storage. And, there are a lot of concerts even after 1979 (when their improvisation during concerts began to wane) which are different enough to warrant releasing even if they have some existing material (Sohoman was proof that Edgar recognizes this). What's making all our collective hemorrhoids flare up is Edgar's piecemeal releasing of this material, and almost complete disinterest in releasing them in archive condition (untouched and with some much-needed equalization and noise removal). I would drop everything and fly to Germany right now and spend 2-3 weeks putting together a 10 CD 1975-1978 pack a 5 CD 1980-1984 pack, and a 2-3 CD 1985-1988 pack from the Tangerine Dream archives if the opportunity presented itself. I'll even scan old concert photos and make a decent booklet! All I need is food (a steady diet of bratwurst and kielbasa and Swiss chocolate will do nicely), the use of a PC and a bed. I'm sure there are several dozen people on this list who would volunteer to do the same thing. Edgar can charge $250+ for the 10 CD and I know people will line up to buy it. I'd hope he wouldn't charge that much of course! I admit it, I'm really that rabidly fanatical about this music. So when Edgar pulls out his nifty new equipment and plays a handful of strings and breaks out the choir samples and forgets to do even the most basic noise filtering to classic recordings, I just sigh and bitch here on the list, igniting massive flamewars. >I wonder if it's a big >turn-off for Edgar and the rest of TD? (I'm sure it >is). I mean, here they are, travelling in a direction >musically that they feel is right for them at this >time, and a lot of people throw negative vibes and >comments at them because they're not up to Rubicon VI. I've seen people who think Tangerine Dream lost all creative direction after Atem. There will always be fans AND critics of any musician and any style or path they choose. I've always believed that the majority of TD listeners think they took a wrong turn after 1987, but maybe that's pompous of me to believe that. There *are* rabid post-1987 TD fans who prefer the new stuff. >Maybe I should go give some of the new stuff a try. >Think I'll start with Cyclone :) kmt Cyclone is good stuff, really. It's in my rotation of TD music right along with Force Majeure, Logos, Phaedra, and Dream Mixes I. Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: kmt Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Germans on eBay? --- Vic Rek wrote: > Recently I've seen a few nice items up for bid on > eBay by the Germans. > BUT they either restrict their bidders to be from > Germany or Europe. > WHY? > > I would think that when you sell (esp. in an > auction) you'd like to > reach the biggest base of fans that would be > interested to bid. Why > would it be a problem to send some item to USA or > Australia (for > example) if that person was the highest bidder - and > most likely giving > the seller a better profit, especially when the > winner pays for the > shipping? Can someone from Germany please explain > this philosophy why > Germans try to restrict themselves from the global > market??? Vic Vic -- I'm not German, but I have heard a lot of people from Germany and other countries say the same thing about Americans who sell on ebay. Sometimes, after a seller has a couple bad experiences with foreign bidders, they may decide just not to deal with them anymore at all. There are even American sellers who refuse to take bids from Canadians. Another problem has to do with Euro banks and American checks/money orders. I think some of their banks charge them $9-$10 just to cash money orders/checks fro the U.S. I thought International M.O.'s were okay, but was informed that they even get charged sometimes for cashing them. So just about the only option you're left with is to send good ol' U.S. currency via registered/insured mail. I just sent some cash to Germany a couple days ago and it cost me $6.60. A lot of American bidders complain about this to the Euro sellers, who obviously have no control over the situation. So a lot of them just say, 'To heck with ya!' __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: kmt Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 10:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: The man with no name --- Feldon Feldon wrote: The only thing that is making a > handful of us pull our > hair out is we ALL know that there are over 60 hours > of unreleased, and > uniquely different music in their storage. According to the Official TDI website, there is a recording of every concert TD has perfomed since 1971 locked away in their lawyers office in London, along with the original master recording of The Keep. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23610 Re: The man with no name Marcel Engels Sun 8/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 1:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: The man with no name From: kmt > According to the Official TDI website, there is a > recording of every concert TD has perfomed since 1971 > locked away in their lawyers office in London, along > with the original master recording of The Keep. Excellent. All we need is the address and an expert Safe cracker. Maff Only half joking. From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 1:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] For Franke Fans...? Vic, How about telling us where you purchased it from? THE HIGHLANDER At 05:43 PM 8/12/00 -0400, you wrote: >I just acquired a CD release from Spalax (released year 2000) of >Lutz Ulbrich's 'Luul' from Agitation Free. This is a very cool CD >released Krautrock style (all in German) with a 1981 beat. What is >interesting are the credits. They read (beside the Nico credits): > >Chris Franke: Abmischung, Sequenzer, Elektronischeds Schlagzeug, >Synthetizer > >Dank: (many omitted) >Cornelia Franke (Chris' wife?) >Klaus Kruger > >Produktion: Christoph Franke. > >I recommend that you get this into your collection. > >Enjoy! >Vic From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 9:14 am Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: The man with no name > From: kmt [mailto:kmt10500@y...] > > According to the Official TDI website, there is a > recording of every concert TD has perfomed since 1971 > locked away in their lawyers office in London, along > with the original master recording of The Keep. Even better...I heard somewhere sometime that they also have a video-recording of most concerts... Marcel From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 9:14 am Subject: Discussion Week 48 - Sunday 13th August 2000 This week is the turn of TimeSquare, or the Dream Mixes II. Please make your subject read 'D:Studio [TimeSquare]' when posting comment or reviews. Samples may be found at TimeSquare - Dream Mixes II http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/timesquare1.ram http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/timesquare2.ram Regards, Lawry lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Timothy Golds' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 10:37 am Subject: Soundmill Navigator I saw the following comment from TDI in one of the digests recently (with respect to the poor sound quality on Soundmill Navigator): 'Unfortunately yes...the original 8 track tapes from 1976 were in a bad condition. During the mastering process TD already thought about a cancelation of this project. The main problem was that a total removal of this noise would have had an even greater degradation to the sound quality especially to the dynamics. Finally, TD decided to keep the tape noise on the recording...we thought it's better to have more kind of a vintage, than a zero dynamic listening experience.- TDI Office' I find it somewhat strange that only at the mastering step is such a fault discovered (What exactly is mastering ?) Would it not make sense to actually listen to the tape first before sending it for pressing ? Furthermore, when you apparently have a bottomless pit of unreleased live recordings, do you choose one that is clearly sub- standard ? Would it not have been more wise to choose another and relases SMN in a few more years when 'digital sound clean-up' has improved. TIM G Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23613 Re: Soundmill Navigator Marcel Engels Sun 8/13/2000 3 KB 23633 Classics Editions Radu Velicescu Mon 8/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 11:24 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator > From: Timothy Golds [mailto:tgolds3551@a...] > > 'Unfortunately yes...the original 8 track tapes from 1976 were in a > bad condition. During the mastering process TD already thought about > a cancelation of this project. The main problem was that a total > removal of this noise would have had an even greater degradation to > the sound quality especially to the dynamics. Finally, TD decided to > keep the tape noise on the recording...we thought it's better to have > more kind of a vintage, than a zero dynamic listening experience.- > TDI Office' What I don't understand is why announce that a concert is being released without even listening to the tapes. I don't know but don't you first listen to the material before even considering releasing it? And we could have waited a little longer for a good recording, we've been waiting years for it so a few more months doesn't matter. :-) But thats what you also said in your message Timothy...so I agree with you. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels (/okefenokee) Email :mengels@w... From: 'Steve Yensen' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 11:40 am Subject: Concert recordings and the Keep Our resident Keep archivist Steven Feldman said: < Don't hold your breath. The first version of the TDI CD cost $40- $45 on tour in the UK if you could snag one. The second version came 'free' with another two CDs for $180, and the band promised that it would probably never be made available again. > I've said before on this list that The TDI Keep was readily available on the 1997 UK tour at 20 UKP a piece. Because I had already been alerted to its possible rarity (thanks Steven) I actually bought 5 of them (2 for list members, 2 for TD fans at work and one for me). No problems. There were plenty in the box, although admittedly Nottingham was only the second leg of the tour. Anyone who was aware of it could pick one up fairly easily at the time. My biggest mistake ever was to sell my only copy (for 70 UKP in late 1999) because of grave financial difficulties :( >>From: kmt >> According to the Official TDI website, there is a >> recording of every concert TD has perfomed since 1971 >> locked away in their lawyers office in London, along >> with the original master recording of The Keep. Maff said: >Excellent. All we need is the address and an expert Safe cracker. That comment gave me tremendous shivers down my spine. If only we could get James Caan to do the deed ... Cheers, Steve in Nottingham, UK (who is putting on Thief on the TV this afternoon to keep those shivers going) - -- Home: steve@y... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... Ridiculously long song titles no #1014: 'Sir B. Mackenzie's Daughter's Lament For The 77th Mounted Lancers Retreat From The Straits Of Loch Knombe, in the year of our Lord 1727, On The Occasion Of The Announcement Of Her Marriage To The Laird of Kinleakie' by Fairport Convention. From: 'Con31' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 12:32 pm Subject: Lutz Ulbrich Luul + George Kranz Lutz Ulbrich - Luul Chris Franke did the programming for the sequencer and played on this album. It has been a rather limited release..as I was not able to obtain this around the time of issue. I will be sure to place an order for this CD on the strength of C Franke involvement alone. George Kranz - Din Da Da (Trommel Tanz) - Fourth + Broadway 12BRW 2 - (12' version 3 versions.) Another interesting point... George Kranz from Berlin was pointed in the direction of Chris Franke this collaboration resulted in a single released in 1983 produced by Christoph Franke and George Kranz....all the instruments is by C Franke and vocals by G Kranz... The single can be best described as big sequencer drum pattern with vocals...disco-ish ? maybe ? Funnily enough this reminds me of the opening titles to The Soldier....from 1983. I expect that C Franke was messing around with drum patterns at this time..as it fits the style of the single nicely. R 'I just acquired a CD release from Spalax (released year 2000) of Lutz Ulbrich's 'Luul' from Agitation Free. This is a very cool CD released Krautrock style (all in German) with a 1981 beat. What is interesting are the credits. They read (beside the Nico credits): Chris Franke: Abmischung, Sequenzer, Elektronischeds Schlagzeug, Synthetizer Dank: (many omitted) Cornelia Franke (Chris' wife?) Klaus Kruger Produktion: Christoph Franke. I recommend that you get this into your collection. Enjoy! Vic' From: 'Rhen, Kris' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 1:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Germans on eBay? I've noticed the same thing for Musical Instruments (synths)... tons of great stuff I'd like to get my hands on, but the ad is in German even... The problem here is the cost for shipping the stuff overseas. I saw a Yamaha CS-30 I would have given my left pinky for, and it went for a low price, but shipping I checked on would have been another $300 and then tack import duties on top and it was instantly out of my range. Of course shipping CDs isn't like shipping a 50lb synth, BUT there are still hastles - as well as hastles with payment method and currency. To cash a US$ check out of the country costs like $8 typically in iteself. I've sent cash a couple of times overseas without problems but cash can easily 'disappear' on the other end without trace or blame. Does PayPal deal internationally? KRIS > Recently I've seen a few nice items up for bid on eBay by the > Germans. > BUT they either restrict their bidders to be from Germany or Europe. > WHY? > > I would think that when you sell (esp. in an auction) you'd like to > reach the biggest base of fans that would be interested to bid. Why > would it be a problem to send some item to USA or Australia (for > example) if that person was the highest bidder - and most > likely giving > the seller a better profit, especially when the winner pays for the > shipping? Can someone from Germany please explain this philosophy why > Germans try to restrict themselves from the global market??? Vic ____________________________________________________ This message has been scanned for content with MailSweeper. A virus check has been done with CommandCom Software and it has been determined clean. ____________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 10:57 am Subject: Germans on ebay >Another problem has to do with Euro banks and American >checks/money orders. I think some of their banks >charge them $9-$10 just to cash money orders/checks >fro the U.S. I thought International M.O.'s were okay, >but was informed that they even get charged sometimes >for cashing them. So just about the only option you're >left with is to send good ol' U.S. currency via >registered/insured mail. I just sent some cash to >Germany a couple days ago and it cost me $6.60. A lot >of American bidders complain about this to the Euro >sellers, who obviously have no control over the >situation. So a lot of them just say, 'To heck with >ya!' This is the real problem, and it's even worse, because 99% of US bidders will ask you for a long and detailed explanation of payment ways and cost. After that, they screw it up (IMO or bank transfer with _not_ all fees payed on their side) or start complaining. No, I won't even start to explain why I, as a private citizen, don't accept credit cards... Even with US$ cash, a german bank will eat up at least 5-8% for changing it into DMs. Inside Europe, there's always the Eurocheque. Guaranteed, in your currency and no fees. On top of that, there's the ridiculous prices the german mail (Deutsche Post AG) charges for air mail parcels overseas. We're talking DM 16.- (US$ 8.-) for _one_ CD, and that's not even registred. Again, try to explain that to the average US citizen (none present on this list! ;-) who has no idea why UPS & Co. don't service private citizen in Germany.... Etc. etc. etc. Vic, if you see such an offer on ebay, just email the seller and _you_ explain to _him_ that you know about these problems. Cut and paste a re-usable text file :-) Tell him how you're going to get the high bid and postage to him with no hassle or fees on his side and I'm sure 99% will happyly accept your bid. We're neither isolationists, nor elitist, but we _do_ get tired sometimes. klaus From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 2:18 pm Subject: Sv: Sv: [tadream] DVD????? Thanks for the respond on my question. If some of you are interested, the Luminous vision DVD/VHS + TD soundtrack is available from Odyssey production for a bargain-price 23.73 $ and with FREE shipping. http://www.odyssey3d.com/lumvis.html Jan > > > I have just become the lucky owner of a DVD-player, > > does anyone know how many and what films featuring > > TD-music is available on DVD?????? And if, where can I > > get hold of them?????? > > I'd suggest a trip to www.imdb.com > Do a search for TD to list all the films they've written for. IMDB will have the > DVD details and links to Amazon to buy them. > > > Maff From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 4:34 pm Subject: Re.D;Studio[Timesquare] I don't think this matches up to Dream Mixes but it's not a bad effort Mobocaster and Jungle Jacula give it a good start but is followed by two weaker tracks a pointless mix of a classic track that does not work for me and the rather uneventful Digital Sister,Pixel Pirates works better and Culpa Levis is not bad with a good sequence although the chanting gets on your nerves easily the best is the title track which as a good melody. Overall this cd lacks the more upbeat tracks that Dream Mixes had like my particular favourite San Rocco,but if Dream Mixes 3 can match up to Timesquare I won't be disapointed. Cheers Gary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23637 Re: Re.D;Studio[Timesquare] Greg Mon 8/14/2000 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Aug 12, 2000 10:50 pm Subject: RE: TD Release 'Stayover' >From: kmt > >--- Feldon Feldon wrote: >The only thing that is making a > > handful of us pull our > > hair out is we ALL know that there are over 60 hours > > of unreleased, and > > uniquely different music in their storage. > >According to the Official TDI website, there is a >recording of every concert TD has perfomed since 1971 >locked away in their lawyers office in London, along >with the original master recording of The Keep. My point exactly. Of course, (And some may disagree), most of the concerts after 1980 don't really need to be released as-is. I think a good 4-5 CDs combining all the unreleased or significantly changed material would do the trick for 1980-1983. And almost all the 1974-1976 concerts were completely improvised. So 1-for-1 releases are needed here. Maybe only 10 CDs was selling this era a bit short! And even 1977, there was one official release from this time, 'Encore 1977'. There are another 40-60 minutes of worthy music in 1977 that never made it out on anything official. Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Vic Rek Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 4:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] For Franke Fans...? Actually, a list member picked this up for me at his local shop. I think Archie at Eurock can pick up some copies. Also I would think that any progressive rock site would carry this too. > How about telling us where you purchased it from? > THE HIGHLANDER > > At 05:43 PM 8/12/00 -0400, you wrote: > >I just acquired a CD release from Spalax (released year 2000) of > >Lutz Ulbrich's 'Luul' from Agitation Free. This is a very cool CD > >released Krautrock style (all in German) with a 1981 beat. What is > >interesting are the credits. They read (beside the Nico credits): > > > >Chris Franke: Abmischung, Sequenzer, Elektronischeds Schlagzeug, > >Synthetizer > > > >Dank: (many omitted) > >Cornelia Franke (Chris' wife?) > >Klaus Kruger > > > >Produktion: Christoph Franke. > > > >I recommend that you get this into your collection. From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 8:22 pm Subject: All the Okefenokee CD comments... Hi everyone! I just got back from spending a week in the Yosemite wilderness and was catching up on all the list messages. I'm glad to see some comments on the Okefenokee music popping up on the list. I was wondering what other people thought of it. Personally, I'm surprised at the amount of interest in it. Not that I think the music isn't any good or anything like that. It's just that this was born out of first-time collaboration between myself and Marcel. Neither of us had heard each other's music before, so I (and Marcel I'm sure) had no idea what would become of us jamming together. I love the early improv style of TD, but had never played like that before. I've done improv before, but not having everything improvised. Marcel made it easier with the excellent sequencer backbones he laid down. I really enjoyed making that music over that long weekend in Georgia. Yeah, with there being a long distance between us (I'm actually on the Jupiter moon of Ganymede ;-) ), there isn't much chance for more collaborations, except for the annual Okefenokee gatherings. It's too bad that it is too hard for me to bring my drums with me to Okefenokee. Then we could've had some Ages/Cyclone/Force Majuere type of jams. It will just have to be my synth. I guess it would be too much to try to record the drums anyway. I'd have to lug a bunch of microphones and stuff with me as well. Anyway, I'll go back to lurking now, until something else stirs my attention... Dave B. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23630 Re: All the Okefenokee CD comments... Vic Rek Mon 8/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 9:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Germans on eBay? Recently I've seen a few nice items up for bid on eBay by the Germans. > BUT they either restrict their bidders to be from Germany or Europe. > WHY? I have traded with the states before and the problem is transfer of small amounts of money. My bank for instance charges me over £5 to exchange dollar cheques/international money orders. It is a pain in the ass. The only way to make it work with small amounts is to send cash through the post and we all know how dodgy that is. Phil. From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 9:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: The man with no name Gotta agree with you there. I said as much in an earlier post but didn't get any flack. Maybe I'll get some now. Phil. > >I didn't think I was really complaining, just said I > >missed the old stuff (is that a complaint? If so, > >guilty as charged.) From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 9:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: The man with no name > According to the Official TDI website, there is a > recording of every concert TD has perfomed since 1971 > locked away in their lawyers office in London, along > with the original master recording of The Keep. Got an address? Phil. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23631 Re: The man with no name Jim Moore Mon 8/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 10:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: The man with no name > Even better...I heard somewhere sometime that they also > have a video-recording of most concerts... They definitely have a video of a concert from the cathedral tour in 1975. It was put out on the BBC and I have been trying to track it down for years. They also have one from Oxford in the early nineties, i saw the cameras. P. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23628 Re: The man with no name Marcel Engels Sun 8/13/2000 2 KB From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 10:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Timothy Golds' Subject: [tadream] Soundmill Navigator > (with respect to the poor sound quality on Soundmill Navigator): >( snip) > removal of this noise would have had an even greater degradation to > the sound quality ( snip) what exactly is mastering ?) Would it not make > sense to actually listen to the tape first before sending it for > pressing ? Furthermore, when you apparently have a bottomless pit of > unreleased live recordings, do you choose one that is clearly sub- > standard ? I think you hit the nail on the head here Tim why bother mastering if you can only produce something of such poor sound quality. Fortunately most of the Tadream crew were fore warned of this problem , its the people who are not on the list I feel sorry for. This sort of release can in my opinion only serve to distance people from buying TD in the future. I now eagerly await the reports from trusted members of this list before I will buy anything else from TDI . Also I think what we may have here is a lack of cash flow for Edgar's new projects so lets put some old crap out , and watch the faithful lap it up , well not me guys . Only my opinion you understand Regards Carl . From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 11:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: The man with no name > From: Phil Wingfield [mailto:brainhurtz@c...] > > They definitely have a video of a concert from the cathedral tour in 1975. > It was put out on the BBC and I have been trying to track it down > for years. Where have you looked for it? Obviously not here :-) Marcel > They also have one from Oxford in the early nineties, i saw the cameras. > > P. > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: Vic Rek Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 1:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Germans on eBay? Phil/Klaus, Thanks for the comments. I guess what I was trying to bring up here is that there is a lack of information out 'there' about how to send money internationally. I have been trading for over 20 years now and I rarely have had problems dealing overseas. The only 2 times I recall to memory have been when I sent cash via registered airmail to Germany. Both times they were confiscated by German customs ($300 total) - the reason being - it is illegal to send cash to Germany! Anyway, what I do now is order DMs from my American bank (no charge at a great exchange rate) and send it in a plain envelop (not registered). It works everytime and I have never had a bad experience. So I laugh at all these stories of exchanges rates, IMO/check costs, etc... Take a little risk and send cash via regular post. In the long run it has always paid off for me, even though there is a very slight risk involved. I think we all stress out too much about sending cash overseas... as long as it's just a small amount ;-) Vic P.S. For larger cash transactions, you can consider a bank electronic transfer (normal cost about $30) or Western Union. I have sent money to Moscow via Western Union and it gets there within 30 minutes after the order was placed. No problem. > Recently I've seen a few nice items up for bid on eBay by the Germans. > > BUT they either restrict their bidders to be from Germany or Europe. > > WHY? > > I have traded with the states before and the problem is transfer of small > amounts of money. My bank for instance charges me over £5 to exchange dollar > cheques/international money orders. It is a pain in the ass. The only way to > make it work with small amounts is to send cash through the post and we all > know how dodgy that is. > > Phil. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23634 Re: Germans on eBay? Michael A Jean Mon 8/14/2000 4 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 1:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] All the Okefenokee CD comments... Hi Dave, Another interesting bit of info is that the Oke 2000 CD-R was played (all tracks) on a prime time radio show covering the Orlando/Tampa area last week. There were 32 phone calls (mostly positive) in response to the music:-) So, this means that us fans need to start making plans for next year's event. I will make reservations in September for an April 2001 gathering, but how many will show? I plan on 16 fans to start. Anyway, I'll plan for early April next year around a full moon. Marcel, Dave, Tom and Roger.... Let's get going! Vic The motto: To Celebrate the creation of electronic swamp music inspired by Tangerine Dream! > I'm glad to see some comments on the Okefenokee music popping up on the > list. I was wondering what other people thought of it. Personally, I'm > surprised at the amount of interest in it. Not that I think the music isn't > any good or anything like that. It's just that this was born out of > first-time collaboration between myself and Marcel. From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 1:53 am Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: The man with no name > > According to the Official TDI website, there is a > > recording of every concert TD has perfomed since 1971 > > locked away in their lawyers office in London, along > > with the original master recording of The Keep. But remember, tape doesn't last forever... - jim From: 'Greg' Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 3:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: The man with no name ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jim Moore' To: Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 6:53 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: The man with no name > > > According to the Official TDI website, there is a > > > recording of every concert TD has perfomed since 1971 > > > locked away in their lawyers office in London, along > > > with the original master recording of The Keep. > > But remember, tape doesn't last forever... > This is just what I believe, but I think TD has already taken the steps to transfer a lot of that material rawly onto a digital medium. I think it makes sense because I think they realize that the material has not only historical worth, but it can be at some point be remastered and sold. In doing that, there isn't any hurry in saving tapes as the material is there when needed. I really don't know of course, but that's what I would do... even if I didn't like the material that much. Then again I'd never give anything of my art to a lawyer to hold on to. =) Greg H. From: Radu Velicescu Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 3:46 am Subject: Classics Editions > pressing ? Furthermore, when you apparently have a bottomless pit of > unreleased live recordings, do you choose one that is clearly sub- > standard ? Would it not have been more wise to choose another and > relases SMN in a few more years when 'digital sound clean-up' has > improved. > > TIM G Absolutely correct!! If TD have all their concerts on tape (8-track or whatever) the question to ask is why release SN at all? Why not release another 76 concert, there were PLENTY of excellent concerts that year. Also, there have been 2 vintage classics editions (and both only 1 CD) in the past 2 years and none planned so far for 2001. Are we ever going to see a 2CD set - or more? How about a little poll to see what should be released next. My choice: one or more of the 1975 Australian concerts. Or: 1974 Reims Cathedral 1975 Birmingham CH 1976 London RAH 1977 Montreal PdA Anyways, it's late and I'm obviously dreaming. When I'll wake up I'll reach for the fan tapes instead... Radu np-Mainz Elzerhof 1976 - thanks Marcelo! From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 3:56 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Germans on eBay? The are also services like BILLPOINT and BIDPAY which have only nominal fees. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Vic Rek [mailto:torque19@i...] > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 8:10 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Germans on eBay? > > > Phil/Klaus, > > Thanks for the comments. I guess what I was trying to bring up here is > that there is a lack of information out 'there' about how to send money > internationally. I have been trading for over 20 years now and I rarely > have had problems dealing overseas. The only 2 times I recall to memory > have been when I sent cash via registered airmail to Germany. Both times > they were confiscated by German customs ($300 total) - the reason being > - it is illegal to send cash to Germany! Anyway, what I do now is order > DMs from my American bank (no charge at a great exchange rate) and send > it in a plain envelop (not registered). It works everytime and I have > never had a bad experience. So I laugh at all these stories of > exchanges rates, IMO/check costs, etc... Take a little risk and send > cash via regular post. In the long run it has always paid off for me, > even though there is a very slight risk involved. I think we all stress > out too much about sending cash overseas... as long as it's just a small > amount ;-) Vic > > P.S. For larger cash transactions, you can consider a bank electronic > transfer (normal cost about $30) or Western Union. I have sent money to > Moscow via Western Union and it gets there within 30 minutes after the > order was placed. No problem. > > > Recently I've seen a few nice items up for bid on eBay by the Germans. > > > BUT they either restrict their bidders to be from Germany or Europe. > > > WHY? > > > > I have traded with the states before and the problem is > transfer of small > > amounts of money. My bank for instance charges me over £5 to > exchange dollar > > cheques/international money orders. It is a pain in the ass. > The only way to > > make it work with small amounts is to send cash through the > post and we all > > know how dodgy that is. > > > > Phil. > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 4:12 am Subject: Soundmill Navigator and Dream Mixes ll Hello fellow dreamers, I've had my Soundmill Navigator for over two months and I finally got around to listening to it today! Can you believe that? I just shake my head in disbelief. Anyways, I really had a hard time hearing that sound that alot of people [ But not everyone] have been complaining about. If it is there it can't be too bad, because I really couldn't pick up on it. It can't be that I've got a cheap a** stereo system either because I don't. Maybe I'm deaf, but I don't think so either. But I did notice that the CD recording did seem to be somewhat comparable to a cassette recording. It just wasn't quite as crystal clear as one would hope for from a CD. Otherwise I just didn't really hear that tss tss tss that many have complained about. As far as Dream Mixes ll is concerned 'Culpa Levis' is my favorite track that stands out for me! Followed by maybe 'Mobocaster'. A couple of the others just didn't work for me, because they had too much of a techno dance feel to it. The drum beat just seemed to be too artificial at times for me too. My overall rating of the CD would be fair with a nicer than average front and back covers. Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Sun Aug 13, 2000 7:46 am Subject: Re [tadream] Antique Dreams On the issue of tangentising. On the one hand some people want to hear the original untouched live recording and some to have an updated version, perhaps with improved sound quality. Here's my solution - The TDI site already has sound bites for you to listen to. The group could say 'This month we are planning to release a CD of music from shows X,Y and Z played in 1986, 1981 and 1975. You can hear excerpts untangenitised and tangenitised. To subcribe to this version email this............to subscribe to that version email that................. This will give TDI an idea of demand and interest and may be feedback with comments. They could either release both or just the most desired version. And the version from subscription could have a different cover or be a special offer with T-shirt or extra photos in the CD insert. This suggestion is designed to please as many as possible. I guess some fans would probably buy both if they had the choice and money. That will not cover all of the fans out there (because the majority may not be on this list). The group will then have feed back from those that subscribe, as to which would be the more popular CD to release mainstream through shops for other fans. That is if they feel there is sufficient demand for a mainstream release. They may think there was insufficient interest shown to justify a particular release. Let's face it, there's a big market out there for their unreleased live material. So subscription perhaps could be a worthwhile marketing tool. Of course, I don't know what the administration costs would be. I expect similar to running a fan club. I hope less than using CD distribution companies. Of course, I don't know if the group has the time or resources for 2 versions of tracks. My guess is they could do it if they chose to After all we are up to Dream Mixes 3! Similar time and effort could be put into this scheme. Also I think it would be putting vision into practice. I keep reading that Edgar has said words to the effect 'If you don't like it, don't buy it'. TDI give us the means, and we can do it. Be daring. You may be surprised how profitable it can be for you. I appreciate the argument about the artists choice as to what to release. Consider that with the fan's choice of what to pay for and letting them know what they are paying for. I know there are many possibilities and other considerations. This is only one of them. I look forward to reading the constructive ones. Life's too short for cycnical ones. David np Moby : Play Gift by Invisible Shadows [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Greg' Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 5:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re.D;Studio[Timesquare] I might get into a greater discussion of this album which I really do love very much. A definite extreme improvment over the drivel that is Dream Mixes 1.. I can't stand DM1 but I love DM2. DM1 sounds like what Robert Miles would do if he had more drum presets, but DM2 has a dark ambient quaility I realy like. The tracks seem to have a greater sense of emotive quality -- just listen to the brassy sounds in the Towards the Evening Star remix. They are not only powerful, but more fluid than Edgar's harpsichord take on Haslinger's synthesized acousitc guita sound (Underwater Sunlight). Culpa Levis is an incredible track.. using those hooks as Morgon Feldon would say: 'The melody your ears ache to hear...' that keeps interest throughout the track rising until those magical moments happen. Timesquare is a great track, more modern with a deep rumbleing bass (finally we get the low end of the sound spectrum; thank you TD!) and a better than norm melody line. I can't say I like Mobocaster as it suffers the Convention of The 24 virus, infecting the entire track with copies of itself, making a woven track of the same textured and colored fiber. I might write more as I listen again and match the song titiles to what I'm hearing so everyone else dosn't go through hell in trying to understand what I'm saying when I'm talking about the wrong track! Greg H. NP: Tour 97 Maedchen on the Stairs Sunrise From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 8:55 am Subject: Klaus Schulze PROMO from 10 Cd Box Hi! Today I found a CD in my post: Klaus Schulze: 'Promotional Copy! 10 CD Box Essential Extracts!' sent by Klaus-Dieter Mueller! What's written on the letter? 'Here's a little present for you as a loyal member of 'The KS Circle'. Wow! If I compare this to ...... (okok - don't say more...).... Hey guys: Join the Klaus-Schulze Circle. It's something you can't miss!!!! Rainer NP: 10 CD-Box Essentail Extracs (with some tracks only onto this CD!) --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 9:39 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Germans on eBay? --- 'Rhen, Kris' wrote: > Does PayPal deal internationally? funny you should ask, as i just signed up for paypal myself... i have a best/worse of both worlds as i'm an american living is switzerland, but still maintaining an american bank account... however, all of my billing addresses are overseas... so, paypal doesn't work for me if i want to use any type of international address for credit cards or even registering... i can use an american address for registering and my bank account to transfer money to paypal, but nothing to do with overseas credit cards or credit cards with overseas billing addresses... so, i think, the short answer is: No. ciao j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'Erik Sanborn' Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 12:01 pm Subject: Re: DVD????? At 08:53 AM 08/12/2000 +0000, you wrote: > From: 'Pergamon' > >Hello Everyone > > I have just become the lucky owner of a DVD-player, does anyone know > how many and what films featuring TD-music is available on DVD?????? And > if, where can I get hold of them?????? > >Thanks in advance >Jan I recently purchased Oasis on DVD, courtesy of Groove Unlimited. Highly recommended! I really like the way the music and the photography fit together. Even better than Canyon Dreams, IMHO. My original VHS videotape of Oasis was rather poor in quality. The VHS release of Canyon Dreams was of much better quality. However, going from VHS to DVD is rather like going from 8-tracks to CDs. :-) Regards, Erik From: izyrp@o... Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 2:54 pm Subject: Paypal Rhen, Kris' asked <<>> NO! USA only. zbig Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23642 Re: Paypal -> Bidpay Rainer Rutka Mon 8/14/2000 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 4:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Paypal -> Bidpay On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 izyrp@o... wrote: > Rhen, Kris' asked > <<>> > NO! USA only. > zbig Use 'www.bidpay.com' Works great from around the world. Is fast and fine ;_) I pay all my fees with bidpay and never got problems. Rainer NP: Klaus Schulze: Essential Extracts --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Carlos Alberto Martínez Salas Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 5:39 pm Subject: RE: Klaus Schulze PROMO from 10 Cd Box So, how do you like the Schulze tracks? > _____________________________ CARLOS A. MARTINEZ SALAS MONTERREY, MEXICO > -----Original Message----- > From: tadream@egroups.com [SMTP:tadream@egroups.com] > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:01 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 599 > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:55:36 -0100 (MEZ) > From: Rainer Rutka > Subject: Klaus Schulze PROMO from 10 Cd Box > > Hi! > > Today I found a CD in my post: > > Klaus Schulze: 'Promotional Copy! 10 CD Box Essential Extracts!' > sent by Klaus-Dieter Mueller! > > What's written on the letter? > 'Here's a little present for you as a loyal member of 'The > KS Circle'. > > Wow! If I compare this to ...... (okok - don't say more...).... > > Hey guys: Join the Klaus-Schulze Circle. It's something you can't > miss!!!! > > Rainer > > NP: 10 CD-Box Essentail Extracs (with some tracks only onto this > CD!) > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > www.rutka.de/td > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23668 Re: Klaus Schulze PROMO from 10 Cd Box Rainer Rutka Thu 8/17/2000 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 7:34 pm Subject: Vic, I'd be willing to bet that Cornelia is Christoph's mother. The Agitation Free bio states that they used to practice in Frau Franke's basement. Where might I find one of these for purchase? James _______original message_________ I just acquired a CD release from Spalax (released year 2000) of Lutz Ulbrich's 'Luul' from Agitation Free. This is a very cool CD released Krautrock style (all in German) with a 1981 beat. What is interesting are the credits. They read (beside the Nico credits): Chris Franke: Abmischung, Sequenzer, Elektronischeds Schlagzeug, Synthetizer Dank: (many omitted) Cornelia Franke (Chris' wife?) Klaus Kruger Produktion: Christoph Franke. I recommend that you get this into your collection. From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 8:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Agitation cycle << Vic, I'd be willing to bet that Cornelia is Christoph's mother. The Agitation Free bio states that they used to practice in Frau Franke's basement. Where might I find one of these for purchase? James >> *Hmmmm I think there's only one...You could always call Frau Franke, Or check ebay for 'basements' ;-) Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23654 Re: Agitation cycle Phil White Tue 8/15/2000 2 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 8:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: The man with no name > > > > They definitely have a video of a concert from the cathedral tour in 1975. > > It was put out on the BBC and I have been trying to track it down > > for years. > > Where have you looked for it? > Obviously not here :-) > > Marcel Written to the BBC on numerous occaisions askd every dream freak I know and lots of people I have met over the years with personal music vid archives, no luck as yet. I did mention it on this list when I first signed up about a month ago. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23647 Re: The man with no name Marcel Engels Mon 8/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 10:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: The man with no name > From: Phil Wingfield [mailto:brainhurtz@c...] > > Written to the BBC on numerous occaisions askd every dream freak > I know and > lots of people I have met over the years with personal music vid archives, > no luck as yet. I did mention it on this list when I first signed > up about a > month ago. Hmm I haven't seen that message... You mean the video with all the candles and the big Moogs :-) Marcel From: 'Marcelo Gutierrez' Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 2:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Classics Editions > > Anyways, it's late and I'm obviously dreaming. When I'll wake up I'll > reach for the fan tapes instead... > > Radu > > np-Mainz Elzerhof 1976 - thanks Marcelo! > > You are welcome!! Hope you are enjoying it!! Marcelo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23649 Re: Classics Editions Marcelo Gutierrez Tue 8/15/2000 2 KB From: 'Marcelo Gutierrez' Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 3:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Classics Editions Hi everyone!! I just want to let you know that Johannes Schmoelling was kind enough to give a written interview to the fans of the Tangerine Dream list in Spanish 'TDFANS', the questions were compiled by members of the Spanish list and it was a real labor of love since it took almost six month to gather the questions in Spanish, translate them to English, get the questions to Johannes, get the answers translated to Spanish and then published, so enjoy!! Follow this link: http://perso.wanadoo.es/jupe.td/home.htm Enjoy Marcelo From: 'Marcelo Gutierrez' Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 3:08 am Subject: Johannes Schmoelling interview!!!! The previous message went out with the wrong heading, I hope this one catches your eyes !!! Marcelo > Hi everyone!! > > I just want to let you know that Johannes Schmoelling was kind enough to > give a written interview to the fans of the Tangerine Dream list in Spanish > 'TDFANS', the questions were compiled by members of the Spanish list and it > was a real labor of love since it took almost six month to gather the > questions in Spanish, translate them to English, get the questions to > Johannes, get the answers translated to Spanish and then published, so > enjoy!! > > Follow this link: > > http://perso.wanadoo.es/jupe.td/home.htm > > Enjoy > > Marcelo > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23688 Re: Johannes Schmoelling interview!!!! tom george Sun 8/20/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 2:19 am Subject: Quick review of Soundmill Navigator Hello folks, Well, you knew it would come eventually....my review of Soundmill Navigator (wonder how many people were dreading it!) Here's the liner notes: ---------------------- Soundmill Navigator (Live 1976) EFA 63027 Soundmill Navigator (Live at the Philharmonics 1976) is one of old TD's classic live events, featuring the first vintage synth equipment, used in a unique way. ---------------------- Some facts I can confirm that have already been mentioned on the list by several other astute listeners... From the beginning of the CD to nearly 10 minutes in is a brand new New Age piece by Edgar Froese himself. It has no bearing on the original concert whatsoever. It also doesn't even sound much like Tangerine Dream. I get the feeling this is a leadin to 7 Letters from Tibet. Also, as we all know, there is a serious glitch in the tape throughout the entire recording that wobbles from left speaker to right speaker, slightly changing frequency and is very obvious. Chht! Chht! Chht indeed! As a wierd note, the screaming gazelle sample I first noted on Antique Dreams actually made its premiere on Soundmill Navigator (9:47 is the first time index). After a 15 year hiatus of Chris Franke's 'Alien seagull', I guess it's time for another digital animal! Even writing all of this, I have not heard the original concert (that will happen soon). But based on my listens to other concerts from around the same time, I am guessing that you don't really hear genuine 1976 music until about 13:45. And my god there is so much Tangentization on top, the original concert is almost completely washed away. Anyone who buys this CD is buying it as a year 2000 New Age solo album by Edgar Froese, inspired by and sampling of a 1976 classic TD concert. That's the hard truth folks. I'm listening at 16:00- and the Tangentization has mostly gone away. Oops, there it is again. I can't believe Edgar didn't listen to this recording first. The tape defect has morphed into light crunching noises. Truly a disappointment. And shocking that a talented musician such as Edgar noticed the noise and simply threw up his hands and proceeded to ADD the defect to the new material. Edgar actually fabricated the chht chht chht back over top of the first 10 minutes where it's 100% new stuff (described above) to try to homogenize it all. Maybe list members have too much time on their hands, but a few have stepped forward, stating that they were able to faithfully remove the defect from the entire recording. TD rarely used the crisp high frequency and tape hiss level where the defect sounds are, so it's not THAT hard to remove it if you know where to start. Once again, I plead Edgar to take volunteers to camp out at the Vienna studios for a couple weeks and put together the boxed set to end all boxed sets. Even if the list price is astronomical, I know I'll be pulling out my chequebook. Morgan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 7:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: The man with no name << Hmm I haven't seen that message... You mean the video with all the candles and the big Moogs :-) Marcel >> *I remember being so pumped up when a friend brought out a video of my fav Tang era (the long-haired one ;-) and sitting there slowly being disillusioned when I noticed they weren't really playing anything... It even had closeups of their hands not touching the keyboard.... Ah well.... Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23658 Re: The man with no name Marcel Engels Tue 8/15/2000 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 8:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: The man with no name > << Hmm I haven't seen that message... > You mean the video with all the candles and the big Moogs > :-) > Marcel >> > > *I remember being so pumped up when a > friend brought out a video of my fav Tang era > (the long-haired one ;-) and sitting there slowly being disillusioned > when I noticed they weren't really playing anything... It even had closeups > of their hands not touching the keyboard.... > Ah well.... > Poly Well of course! You see Edgar fratically pushes fast foreward, stop, and play on his tape decks over and over, making truly distorted noises from ruined old tapes. Peter, well he was smart and designed a toggle switch that plays simple three note melodies of the C, F, and G variety. He can sit back and improvise all he wants, with feet on his keyboards 'accidently' bumping knobs and buttons making different noises as well. Chirs sits hynotically gazed at all the little lights on his machine churning out another long simple sequence bumping it with snores putting it in and out of tune and a hand on the tone knob tricking Peter out and forcing him to pick another note from his three. Chris tends to wake up quickly and usually causes a hand swipe to his Moog sliders upon waking and this causes a sudden key change, Edgar gets excited and covers his band's butts with a screaming guitar until the other two screaming for help from the noise get things back to normal. Who needs to know how to play anymore? =) This is all a just joking deal here folks so don't get upset! NP: Beetles Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23663 New Klangart/Osnabrueck pictures found! Rainer Rutka Wed 8/16/2000 2 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 8:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Agitation cycle > << Vic, I'd be willing to bet that Cornelia is Christoph's mother. The > Agitation > Free bio states that they used to practice in Frau Franke's basement. > Where might I find one of these for purchase? > James >> > > *Hmmmm I think there's only one...You could always call Frau Franke, > Or check ebay for 'basements' ;-) > Poly Love it !! Long time since I've laughed out loud reading newsgroups......:-) Phil From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 12:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Official spam: Dream Mixes Special Event!!!!! TDI - Martin K. wrote: > On Saturday, October 28th, TDI MUSIC are proud to > announce a very special club- event: Ground Liftaz at the Kalkscheune, Berlin > > Þ a world- exclusive first preview of tracks from the upcoming Dream Mixes > III- album. > Þ exclusive Tangerine Dream- Mixes that you will never hear again anywhere else. Hi Gang, anyone on this list who plans to attend this 'special event' in Berlin? I'm playing with the idea of joining this extravaganza, especially because some of the music will only be heard on this special occasion. Heiko (back from Hungary, nice people there!) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23656 Re: Official spam: Dream Mixes Special Event!!!!! Rainer Rutka Tue 8/15/2000 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 4:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Official spam: Dream Mixes Special Event!!!!! On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Heiko Heerssen wrote: >Hi Gang, >anyone on this list who plans to attend this 'special event' in Berlin? I'm >playing with the idea of joining this extravaganza, especially because some of the >music will only be heard on this special occasion. Me too. And I hope we'll meet us again (some of us). Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 8:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: The man with no name Sounds like it, I have only ever seen a short clip. Do you know where I can get a copy? You mean the video with all the candles and the big Moogs :-) Marcel From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 8:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: The man with no name > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > > *I remember being so pumped up when a > friend brought out a video of my fav Tang era > (the long-haired one ;-) and sitting there slowly being disillusioned > when I noticed they weren't really playing anything... It even > had closeups > of their hands not touching the keyboard.... > Ah well.... > Poly :-)...well you can say that the pictures where Tangentized onto the music... Anyway I liked the video. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels (/okefenokee) Email :mengels@w... From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Wed Aug 16, 2000 3:57 am Subject: The Keep Greetings All! I found a copy of The Keep that has several tracks included with it from Firestarter,Sorcerer and Heartbreakers.Just wondering if anyone else on the list may have this. Thanks! Rick Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23661 The Fantasy Merchants KEEP CD Steven Feldman Wed 8/16/2000 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Aug 16, 2000 6:52 am Subject: 'Macula Transfer' for sale at eBAY Hi folks, just wanted to say that my original CD copy of Edgar Froese's 'Macula Transfer' is up for grabs at the American eBAY site. Just follow the URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=410391490 Heiko From: Steven Feldman Date: Wed Aug 16, 2000 1:22 pm Subject: The Fantasy Merchants KEEP CD On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:57:26 EDT Rick said: > > I found a copy of The Keep that has several tracks included with it from >Firestarter,Sorcerer and Heartbreakers.Just wondering if anyone else on the >list may have this. What you have is THE KEEP BY THE FANTASY MERCHANTS CD from 1995. The total running time of the KEEP selections is 29:13, specifically: 1. The Keep - Main Title (4:47) 2. Glacken's [sic] Quest (4:25) 3. Brothers in Death (8:15) 4. Fisherman's Morning (3:37) 5. Evil Healing (4:54) 6. Gloria (3:15) These are all cover versions of stuff on the Blue Moon boot, which makes it an odd duck indeed. One nice thing about it, though, is that it has better sound quality than the Blue Moon boot. Maybe its because this CD is quasi-legit (its from Germany on a somewhat real label) rather than being an out-and-out boot. -- Steven Feldman -- webmaster of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/ From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Aug 16, 2000 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep rbrown4856@a... wrote: > > I found a copy of The Keep that has several tracks included with it from > Firestarter,Sorcerer and Heartbreakers.Just wondering if anyone else on the > list may have this. If you mean the album performed by The Fantasy Merchants, yes I have it. It includes 6 tracks from The Keep, 2 from Firestarter, 2 from The Heartbreakers, 1 from Near Dark, a medley from Sorcerer and the inevitable Love on a Real Train from Risky Business. Antonio Nunes From: Rainer Rutka Date: Wed Aug 16, 2000 6:38 pm Subject: New Klangart/Osnabrueck pictures found! Hi! I know, it was a long time ago - but I found some NEW(!) pictures made by the Klangart Mars Polaris premiere last year in Osnabrueck. See my Klangart- or TD-links page. www.rutka.de/td Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: LurkingFear Date: Wed Aug 16, 2000 6:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Fantasy Merchants KEEP CD --- Steven Feldman wrote:> What you have is THE KEEP BY THE FANTASY> MERCHANTS CD from 1995.> These are all cover versions of stuff on the> Blue Moon boothow do the FM versions sound musically compared to the TD versions? --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Patrik .' Date: Wed Aug 16, 2000 4:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Official spam: Dream Mixes Special Event!!!!! Welcome back Heiko! Regarding Kalkscheune, yes why not spend a week-end in Berlin? I´m interested! And thank you Marcelo Gutierrez for providing the Johannes Schmoelling interview. Nice job! Dream ON! Patrik ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Manuel Marino' Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 9:59 am Subject: BIG things at mp3.com Hello friends!!! i don't know which of you have signed an agreement with a label, but if you've still not... i suggest you to enter in our big mp3.com family! Things are really going well at mp3.com... there's a new agreement by which our songs will be featured in a 'songs on demand project'... people will choose in retail shops our songs, and make in REAL TIME mp3.com compilation CDs to buy... there's a new machine that will be available in all USA and will make CDs in real time.. something incredible... with a touch screen and the entire mp3.com database available! I suggest you to run to www.mp3.com and login as a new artist... things will be soon BIG at mp3.com! _________________________________ Manuel 'Vanethian' Marino --> http://www.mp3.com/Vanethian _________________________________________________ Best electronic, space, horror and fantasy music: Fright Night Horror Radio Station --> http://www.mp3.com/stations/fright_night Galaxy Channel 7 Radio Station --> http://www.mp3.com/stations/galaxy_channel_7 Galaxy Channel 8 Radio Station --> http://www.mp3.com/stations/galaxy_channel_8 Galaxy Channel 9 Radio Station --> http://www.mp3.com/stations/galaxy_channel_9 ---------------------------------------------------- Join *The New Music Frontier* Free Email Group! http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/TheNewMusicFrontier ---------------------------------------------------- From: AirWave Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 6:37 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze PromoCD Yahooo. Just got a copy of the PromoCD for the new KS Ten CD box today, woth the same letter included as Rainer. Sure is nice to be a member of the KS Circle and of KS. Plenty of exciting and interesting stuff on it. Even the not so typical KS stuff. Just makes me look even more forward to my copy of the 10 CD Box. :-))))))) AirWave. From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 7:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Klaus Schulze PROMO from 10 Cd Box On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Carlos Alberto Martínez Salas wrote: > > Subject: Klaus Schulze PROMO from 10 Cd Box > So, how do you like the Schulze tracks? I love them. There are approx. 30 minutes of new Klaus Schulze tracks available ONLY(!) on this promo. In total 5 'solo add' tracks in the typical Schulze style. Pernonaly like the 10min. of 'Eleven 2 Eleven' the most. Rest of the 79 min.(!) Cd is filled with edited tracks from the forth- comming 10CD box. 2 are from Solar Moon System and some are made by KS and Solar Moon System. All in all 16 wonderfull tracks (including some collaborations with KS and Wolfgang Tiepold, Thomas Kagermann....). And yes - IT's NICE TO BE A MEMBER OF THE KLAUS SCHULZE CIRCLE! Klaus-Dieter Mueller is a very nice guy, who really cares about the loyal fans. If I compare this to..... (ups!)... Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 6:56 pm Subject: [tadream] Keyboards Interview hey, all while hanging around in a train station waiting for my s-bahn, i noticed an article in this month's issue of keyboard with E and J... now the article, which was quite lengthy (maybe six pages, incl. pics), was all in german and my german reading skills are poor, at best... the pics of their studio were actually quite cool, though... looked kind of like someone took a stylish manhattan apartment and turned it into a studio, complete with hardwood floors and plants... i was wondering if this was the article that sparked off the last round of heated edgar roadrage... and if there was a uebersetzed copy around (one in english)... ciao for now jerome __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23670 Re: Keyboards Interview Gabe Yedid Fri 8/18/2000 2 KB 23672 Re: Keyboards Interview j.gordon Fri 8/18/2000 2 KB 23676 Re: Keyboards Interview Armin Theissen Sat 8/19/2000 2 KB 23677 Re: Keyboards Interview j.gordon Sat 8/19/2000 2 KB 23690 Re: Keyboards Interview peter.stoeferle@t... Mon 8/21/2000 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 9:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Keyboards Interview On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, j.gordon wrote: > hey, all > > while hanging around in a train station waiting for my s-bahn, i noticed an > article in this month's issue of keyboard with E and J... > now the article, which was quite lengthy (maybe six pages, incl. pics), was all > in german and my german reading skills are poor, at best... hey wait, don't you work in Switzerland? ;) How do you get around? Gabe From: Scribe1964@a... Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 11:06 pm Subject: The Keep question I've got a question for those of you who are experts on 'The Keep.' I've seen a couple of the Blue Moon boots for sale on Ebay, but they've had different art work on the CD itself. Can someone tell me what the original boot (if there can be such a thing) CD looks like? --Ric Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23675 Re: The Keep question Rainer Rutka Sat 8/19/2000 2 KB 23683 Re: The Keep question Scribe1964@a... Sat 8/19/2000 2 KB 23685 Re: The Keep question Rainer Rutka Sun 8/20/2000 2 KB 23684 Re: The Keep question Phil White Sat 8/19/2000 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 11:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Keyboards Interview gabe... > > now the article, which was quite lengthy (maybe six pages, incl. pics), was > all > > in german and my german reading skills are poor, at best... > > hey wait, don't you work in Switzerland? ;) > How do you get around? i do work and live here... and spend most of my day speaking a mish-mash of swiss-german and german... however, to read a language and speak it are two very different things... i learned all my german here, on the job... never had to read it or write it, strangely enough... so a six page article written in proper high german is a little beyond me for lite reading while waiting for a train... i could have read it and picked up the gist, but... anyway, know of it in english? j.g __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: aoutland@a... Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 1:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Fan Recording Question Today I played Nov 28, 1976, Toulouse, Centre Culturel fan recording tape and was stunned to hear something familiar since I don't have this recording anywhere else. Someone is saying something like, 'Now we will play a little Shontessy (or something like that). I hope you will enjoy it.' These same words, I believe, are on 11-22-76, Palais du Sport and it's not like the words are simply being repeated at two concerts: everything is exact. So, which one is mis-labeled? If this subject is taboo here, please reply privately. Thanks. 8-) Dell Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23674 Re: Fan Recording Question Radu Velicescu Sat 8/19/2000 3 KB From: Radu Velicescu Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 3:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Fan Recording Question Probably no harm in answering here, we aren't trading after all. The introduction you mention (a little longer than the quote below, which includes a little in french) is from the beginning of the Paris 22.11.76 second set (#3 below). The Toulouse show 6 days later is just about totally different. The lengths of the concerts are below: Paris: 1. 20:30 2. 25:15 3. 35:55 4. 9:00 Toulouse: 1. 20:40 2. 21:00 3. 22:35 4. 19:45 Perhaps your Toulouse show is mislabeled. Hope this info helps. Radu np-Toulouse 76 > Today I played Nov 28, 1976, Toulouse, Centre Culturel fan recording > tape and was stunned to hear something familiar since I don't have this > recording anywhere else. Someone is saying something like, 'Now we will play > a little Shontessy (or something like that). I hope you will enjoy it.' These > same words, I believe, are on 11-22-76, Palais du Sport and it's not like the > words are simply being repeated at two concerts: everything is exact. So, > which one is mis-labeled? > If this subject is taboo here, please reply privately. Thanks. 8-) Dell From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 10:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep question On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 Scribe1964@a... wrote: > I've got a question for those of you who are experts on 'The Keep.' I've > seen a couple of the Blue Moon boots for sale on Ebay, but they've had > different art work on the CD itself. Can someone tell me what the original > boot (if there can be such a thing) CD looks like? > --Ric Yep! See my 'Keep'-Special Page: www.rutka.de/td -> The Keep Mystery (left side!). Hope it helps! Rainer From: Armin Theissen Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 9:29 am Subject: Re: Keyboards Interview Hi, I'd be glad to write an english translation of that interview if you provide me with a well scanned or photocopied copy of the interview ;-) armin Armin Theissen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... College Hill http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath Armagh BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 028 3752 29 28 N. Ireland Fax: (+44) 028 3752 71 74 o/ \o_ \ / __ __o |o \__/o | o____ |__ __/ \__/o | / | / o\ / | > / \ /o\ o| << | \o__/ Ouch!!! No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this email From: 'j.gordon' Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 11:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Keyboards Interview and he said it would be, and they saw that a translation would be good, and that all would be blessed... and there was rejoicing... thanks, armin... i'll scan it this week... j.g --- Armin Theissen wrote: > > > Hi, > > I'd be glad to write an english translation of that interview if you > provide me with a well scanned or photocopied copy of the interview ;-) > > armin > > > Armin Theissen > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Armagh Observatory email: ath@s... > College Hill http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath > Armagh BT61 9DG Phone: (+44) 028 3752 29 28 > N. Ireland Fax: (+44) 028 3752 71 74 > > o/ \o_ \ / __ __o |o \__/o | o____ > |__ __/ \__/o | / | / o\ / > | > / \ /o\ o| << | \o__/ Ouch!!! > > No animals were harmed in the production and transmission of this email > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From: izyrp@o... Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 1:04 pm Subject: Robbery! Was it this TD list or the OTHER TD list where someone wondered about german sellers on eBay not selling to USA? Cant remember which... This time the other way round, about buying in the USA and living in Germany... Anyways, today I received 'The 20 years of Jethro Tull' box from the USA and the german custom-office earned their extra $25 on the box, just for nothing, simply for being there.This is german law they say... 'Robbery, assault § battery' I say! After this experience I probably wont buy anything more then 3 single CDs from the Land of the Free in the future. zbig From: 'Michael W. Daniels' Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 2:41 pm Subject: Antique Dreams pressing errors? Anyone else seen this? I have a CD that claims to be TD's Antique Dreams, with the TDI logo on the disc and everything, but when I play it, I find 18 tracks of Polka music! Is this the type of thing collectors go for, or should I just send it back to cduniverse for a replacement? -- Michael W. Daniels | 'But the evil is that they hold for daniels@l... | certain that they are in the light.' Dept. of Linguistics | From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 2:49 pm Subject: D:Studio [TimeSquare] Here's a repost of my original review..... the reference to Steve Feldman's post is obviously out of date now, unless you have the UWP digest from 30.03.98! ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawry Simm To: Tadream Mailing List Sent: Monday, March 30, 1998 10:13 PM Subject: D: TimeSquare TimeSquare: Dream Mixes II - TDI009 1. Mobocaster 7:24 2. Jungle Jacula 8:41 3. Towards The Evening Star (Blue Gravity Mix) 8:41 4. Digital Sister 7:10 5. Pixel Pirates 6:55 6. Culpa Levis 10:11 7. Timesquare 8:42 Total Running Time 57:44 I must admit to being a little disappointed by this album, especially after the fantastic Dream Mixes. I think the most disappointing part is the fact that I was expecting 'dance' remixes of some classic TD tracks, but with the exception of Towards The Evening Star, the rest are unrecognisable (with the exception of the snippets that Steve Feldman pointed out in a previous post - and I tend to agree with his observations). I think that this album should have carried off where Dream Mixes left off (as indeed the title implies). Another snag is that Dream Mixes was instantly danceable (not that I'm a dancehead by the way) but TimeSquare is less immediate, and somehow the rhythms and beats are less dynamic. Having said all of that, although overall this is a disappointing album, there are one or two very good tracks. The first of these is the album opener, Mobocaster. This, in my mind is a perfect example of Jerome's influence on the TD direction. The track isn't as cluttered as some of Edgars current output, and one of the plus points (going back to the presets discussion) is that there are some quite unusual sounds on this track, some effects processing that just give the track a slightly different feel to recent output. I also like Towards The Evening Star. This is my favourite track from Goblin's Club, so it's nice to hear a different version of it. (I even like The Orb's version :-) ). The only problem with this track is that the timing sounds all off. Different time signatures or something, for the new rhythm and the original melodies. I can't quite put my finger on it, but something is not right here, or at least at the start of the track. Pixel Pirates is another good one, very lively and animated, and has echoes of late seventies, early eighties sequences dancing about in the background. Again, evidence of Jerome's input, IMO. TimeSquare round the album off nicely, and again, whilst not a brilliant track, isn't half bad. Some really nice ideas in there, but not much development. I think this track suffers from the 'lets get lots of different bits in there' syndrome. All in all, although I was personally disappointed by the album, it's not that bad. I just feel that it could have been so much better. However, I must admit I like the direction Jerome puts into these Dream Mixes albums, for certainly it is he that is the driving force for them. Maybe, with a little more thought put into it, TD could come up with a DM3 that would blow our socks off. They've definitely got one in them, if they only gave themselves enough time to develop an album properly instead of rushing to release one album after another. Still, no doubt the majority of us on the list would still buy this even if it was a complete load of b******s. Regards, Lawry From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 2:54 pm Subject: Discussion Week 49 - Sunday 20th August 2000 This week is especially for Steven Feldman! *8-) It is the turn of 'The Keep'. Specifically, we are looking for comments and reviews of the Limited Edition TDI version which was sold on the 1998 UK Tour. I appreciate that this item is pretty rare, so not many of you may have it... should people wish to repost earlier comparisons of this and other 'unofficial' versions, that would be great. I suspect a lot of people on this list never got to see all that was posted to UWP about it. Please make your subject read 'D:Soundtrack [The Keep]' when posting. lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Wouter Bessels Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 5:42 pm Subject: Re: Paris 1976 v. Toulouse 1976 At 08:59 19-8-00 +0000, you wrote: From: Radu Velicescu >Subject: Re: Fan Recording Question >The introduction you mention (a little longer than the quote below, which >includes a little in french) is from the beginning of the Paris 22.11.76 >second set (#3 below). The Toulouse show 6 days later is just about >totally different. The lengths of the concerts are below: >Paris: >1. 20:30 >2. 25:15 >3. 35:55 >4. 9:00 Hi Radu and the rest, I have a 2nd gen tapecopy of Paris 1976 and I'm afraid you have forgotten to include the encore which was played in Paris (which is quite similar to the one they did in Croydon in Nov. 1976) ! So #5 from the Paris concert is the encore and is about 15 minutes long (from my mind). It is included in my (and Rainer's) The Real Dream Encores CD-set. Cheers, Wouter NP. Ash Ra Tempel - Friendship From: Scribe1964@a... Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep question In a message dated 8/19/00 5:35:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rainer@k... writes: > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 Scribe1964@a... wrote: > > > I've got a question for those of you who are experts on 'The Keep.' I've > > seen a couple of the Blue Moon boots for sale on Ebay, but they've had > > different art work on the CD itself. Can someone tell me what the > original > > boot (if there can be such a thing) CD looks like? > > --Ric > Yep! > See my 'Keep'-Special Page: www.rutka.de/td -> The Keep Mystery (left > side!). > Hope it helps! > Rainer > Thanks, Rainer. But what I'm really looking for is the artwork on the CD itself. How does one know if they have the actual Blue Moon CD and not a CDR with different artwork on it? Maybe my question should've been more specific. Thanks! --Ric Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23685 Re: The Keep question Rainer Rutka Sun 8/20/2000 2 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 7:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep question Message for Ric who queried the Keep ( Blue Moon Boot ) for the artwork on the disc itself please see the attached file. Hope this helps sort out your confusion. The lettering is slightly raised from the surface of the disc. Atb Phil [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 1:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep question On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 Scribe1964@a... wrote: > Thanks, Rainer. But what I'm really looking for is the artwork on the CD > itself. How does one know if they have the actual Blue Moon CD and not a CDR > with different artwork on it? Maybe my question should've been more > specific. Thanks! OK, It'll be a good idea to add the lable-scans too?! Fine, I'll put 'em onto my site ASAP! Good idea! Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de7td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Robert Schmenger' Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 4:55 pm Subject: Trade Offer Hi I'm offering the following TD items for 'trading only': The Keep - original 1997 Tour issue in ex condition (fancy digipack) Sony Center CD-single - 1998 TDI Music - ex condition (digipack) Heartbreakers - Virgin 610467-225 - ex condition (original release) Flashpoint - HMI XD29 - playable ex condition (original release) Tyger - Jive 32XB-224 - complete with OBI ex condition Optical Race - 662083 German 4-track promo vg condition Lily On The Beach - P2 2057 Columbia Record Club US (CRC) release ex cond. The Private Music Of Tangerine Dream - P2 2105 Columbia Record Club US (CRC) release ex cond. The Private Music Of Tangerine Dream - P2 2105 Columbia Record Club Canada Columbia House release ex cond. and Das Maedchen auf der Treppe - Virgin 72438941872 - ex condition (green fractal cover) What I want to trade for - 'original' CD releases only: Winston Tong - Theoratically Chinese; HIMALAYA CDTW-1549 or EFA CD-6916 or JVC VICTOR VDP-1129 Rupert Hine - Waving not Drowning; A&M 396986-2 Underworld - Skyscraper I love you (cd-single); BOICD 13 / 857051-2 No Man - Only Baby (cd-single) 83TP7CD No Man - Sweetheart Raw (cd-single) 73TP7CD Martin Hall - The Martin Hall Document (Fragments 1981-85); Virgin MHCD1 Martin Hall - Presence; Virgin 259 309 Real Life - Heartland; MCA 1443 ?? Kissing the Pink - Naked; Polygram 825327-2 Serious responses only and off list, please. regards Robert Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23687 Trade Offer Robert Schmenger Sun 8/20/2000 2 KB From: 'Robert Schmenger' Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 5:31 pm Subject: Trade Offer Hi again In addition to my previous post: All items I offer and want are silver circles under plastic (or cardboard). I'm also offering Tangerine Dream Tyranny of Beauty Interactive CD-Rom complete with magazine and additional e-music cd sampler, the whole package is still wrapped in plastic! This was released in Italy from the 'New Age New Sounds' magazine. regards Robert From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 5:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Johannes Schmoelling interview!!!! thanks marcelo, great interview and nice to hear from a former member that is not so pompous. NEW STUDIO ALBUM!!!! YES YES tom -- On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:08:06 Marcelo Gutierrez wrote: >The previous message went out with the wrong heading, I hope this one >catches your eyes !!! Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Aug 21, 2000 2:56 pm Subject: D:[Soundtrack] The Keep Before I joined the TD mailing lists 2 years ago I didn't even know about the mysterious soundtrack called 'The Keep'. At that time it was impossible for me to get a CD copy (now I have both the 1997 and the Millennium booster editions) because it was limited to only a few hundred copies which were sold during TD's 1997 UK live tour. But luckily I knew a friend and he taped the whole soundtrack onto cassette for me. I waited for this cassette with baited breath and when it finally arrived I thought I'd found the holy grail of TD music. But after a couple of listens it turned out to be 'just' a very good soundtrack album. Don't get me wrong, I like it a lot and I would highly recommend it... but it misses the absolute killer track like (for example) 'Charley the kid' or 'Crystal voice' from the Firestarter soundtrack, like 'Church theme' from Wavelength.... You know, this kind of music which would be reason alone to buy the album just because of one great tune. A track that would come close to these classics would be 'Heritage survival', the last cut on the Keep CD. But unfortunately Ed was adding some sitar/guitar sounds that just don't fit, especially when you know the original version which was recorded for the movie. I haven't seen the film yet but I guess I have pretty much all the music that was played in the movie (so do others ;-)...and what you can hear on the TDI version and what can be heard in the movie is very different from each other. I guess that some of the stuff could not be included because of copyright reasons (like the intro which must be a cover version of a Byrne/Eno track from their 'My life in the bush of ghosts'). Then we have the brilliant 'Snowman theme' (the end title, thanks to someone on this list I had the opportunity to listen to the long finale version), or the scene where the soldiers are removing the silver crosses (ok, we had this music on 'Logos') But a movie soundtrack CD where the intro & finale is missing is a rather mixed bag, despite the fact that it couldn't be included due to copyright reasons. The unavailability of 'The Keep' sure added to its myth, and it really would be THE definite TD soundtrack if a 'correct' CD version (with all the relevant music, but without overdubs) would be released. But this won't happen and so it makes a 2nd place after 'Firestarter' (IMHO, of course ;-) Heiko P.S:: 'exclusive vintage Tangerine Dream- Mixes that you will never hear/buy again anywhere else' I just read that DJ Rome will play 'Vintage' mixes on October 28th in the Kalkscheune. Yikes! For gods sake will someone please bring a tape recorder along!! (my ghetto blaster would look a bit too suspicious ;-) I will definetly attend this club gig and will drive from Hamburg to Berlin. From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: Re: Keyboards Interview Hello, > From: Armin Theissen > Subject: Re: Keyboards Interview > > Hi, > > I'd be glad to write an english translation of that interview if you > provide me with a well scanned or photocopied copy of the interview ;-) probably you may avoid such an effort: I guess this is the same interview like the one in the 'EQ' magazine which had been quoted on this list quite a few weeks ago. It contains the same studio instrument listing and the same text outtake from Edgar explaining why the changes in their music are not that fast like the fans would expect (because they might not be able to 'follow' the band...) which had been mentioned and discussed here. At the end of the 'Keyboards' interview, it is mentioned that the text has been translated by Albrecht Piltz - which indicates that it is in fact not an exclusive interview by 'Keyboards' but - perhaps - a translation of the 'EQ' article. Perhaps someone who has got the 'EQ' interview may help to compare both. Greetings Peter Stoeferle From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 11:52 am Subject: TD guestbook 'The guestbook is currently closed for technical reasons.Please try again at a later time' What 'technical reason' could this be? It's now closed for 10 days...or has the Webmaster been upset with some of the recent postings to the guestbook?? Heiko From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 12:03 pm Subject: Seven letters from Tibet & T-shirt I don't hope this is old news (for some of you certainly), but the Dutch mailorder company Groove Unlimited (http://www.groove.nl) is offering a package which includes the forthcoming '7 letters from Tibet' CD & the T-Shirt (size XL, black, 5-colour print). The offer is valid until September 15th and the price is DM 76 / US$33.25 / UKP 22.25 (excluding postage costs). I don't know what the t-shirt will look like (I hope it's better than what's on the CD cover!!), but since it's not listed in the TDI's 'Merchandise' section this might be a great opportunity. Heiko From: Vic Rek Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 5:08 pm Subject: Where is Matt Hargreaves? Sorry to bring this to the list, but can someone e-mail me his current address (off-list)? And Matt, I've you're around, drop me a message. Thanks, Vic From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 5:30 pm Subject: TD interview Hi, in this case I don't want to do the work of a translation. If somebody, please please please with sugar on top, would scan the stuff and post it here? cheers armin >> Hi, >> >> I'd be glad to write an english translation of that interview if you >> provide me with a well scanned or photocopied copy of the interview ;-) > >probably you may avoid such an effort: I guess this is the same interview like >the one in the 'EQ' magazine which had been quoted on this list quite a few >weeks ago. It contains the same studio instrument listing and the same text >outtake from Edgar explaining why the changes in their music are not that fast >like the fans would expect (because they might not be able to 'follow' the >band...) which had been mentioned and discussed here. At the end of the >'Keyboards' interview, it is mentioned that the text has been translated by >Albrecht Piltz - which indicates that it is in fact not an exclusive interview >by 'Keyboards' but - perhaps - a translation of the 'EQ' article. Perhaps >someone who has got the 'EQ' interview may help to compare both. > >Greetings >Peter Stoeferle > From: 'Chad Vance' Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 7:41 am Subject: Cover Artwork repository Hello fellow TD fans! I was wondering whatever happend to the repository of TD cover artwork on the web? Is it still around? I grabbed a bunch of them. I have since received albums without covers that I'd like to print out and I don't have those covers. Thanks, Chad civance@h... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 3:13 pm Subject: Architecture In Motion DVD Hi all, Could any owner of the said DVD please advise the catalogue no. of this item (I mean the issue with TD music - it seems there are other discs which do not feature any TD music). Also is the release with the TD score a single or double DVD pack? Jeffrey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23698 Re: Architecture In Motion DVD Bennett Cookson Wed 8/23/2000 2 KB 23744 Re: Architecture In Motion DVD Joe Shoults Mon 8/28/2000 3 KB From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 3:25 pm Subject: A Root-ten experience Hello all Towards the end of April this year I discovered an amazing offer for the Dream Roots-collection at Rockhouse (on the net). I am not that interested in it but at 17 USD, wow! My first reaction was: No it cannot be, so I sent a mail: -Is this really the The Dream Roots collection (5 cd's)by Tangerine Dream for 17 USD? - Yes it is And I double checked: - And you are certain that the price for this collection is 17 USD? -Yes. So I sent a total of 25 USD to cover postage and went back into coma. At the end of July, almost three months later I sent them a mail...and another mail and suddenly an answer: - We're still waiting for the cd-box to arrive and will notify you as soon as it arrives. And another reply: - We are very sorry...and so on. Another week and another reply: - We are very sorry to inform you that we can no longer offer this collection for 17 USD but you can have it for 44 USD plus p&p. I rejected the offer and they said that they would return my money. Well, that was almost three weeks ago and still no money. At times, it certainly is a long way between Holland and Sweden. Well, just wanted to share this experince as I thought others might want to do business with Rockhouse. I guess 44 USD still is a good price for those who want the collection. However, come delivery time in December, they might have added another 27 USD to the price, who knows. I'd say beware!!! Olle np: Ashra Tempel - Friendship (Gottsching really has a soothing effect on Herr Schulze) From: Bennett Cookson Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 4:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Architecture In Motion DVD I don't have my DVD with me, but be sure to order the one which features TD. There are several with similar (almost exact) titles. Note: * Scored by the Grammy(r)-winning Tangerine Dream Here is listing from Amazon What a Blast: Architecture in Motion (1999) Rated: NR Starring: What a Blast, et al. Director: Edition Details: * Region 1 encoding (US and Canada only) * Color, DTS Stereo * Song Indexes (Music Videos) * Random Play * Scored by the Grammy(r)-winning Tangerine Dream * ASIN: 1575237873 Click here for more technical details about this edition... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 5:57 pm Subject: ID a track Hey, A friend of mine sent me a MP3 of a track he claims is from TD but I doubt it. Can anyone help ID it? It starts with vocoded voice, sounds like Beach theme period TD and has German (I think) singing towards the end. My friends says its from Cyclone but I dont recall TD doing vocals on other tracks than the one with that female voice. Is he wrong? glenn From: 'Thomas' Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 6:01 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] ID a track Hi Glenn, can't say which track it is, but I can safely say that TD has vocals on other tracks than a female voice. 'Cyclone' has voices, real singing actually, but no German as far as I can recall. All English. And certainly not vocoded. I know it's not much help, but at least you can rule out 'Cyclone'. Thomas Helsingborg, Sweden > Hey, > > A friend of mine sent me a MP3 of a track he claims is from TD but I doubt > it. Can anyone help ID it? It starts with vocoded voice, sounds like Beach > theme period TD and has German (I think) singing towards the end. My friends > says its from Cyclone but I dont recall TD doing vocals on other tracks than > the one with that female voice. Is he wrong? > > glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23701 Re: ID a track Marcel Engels Thu 8/24/2000 2 KB 23702 SV: [tadream] ID a track Thomas Thu 8/24/2000 2 KB 23703 SV: [tadream] ID a track Glenn Folkvord Thu 8/24/2000 2 KB 23704 SV: [tadream] ID a track Glenn Folkvord Thu 8/24/2000 2 KB 23705 Re: ID a track Marcel Engels Thu 8/24/2000 2 KB 23706 Re: SV: [tadream] ID a track Antonio Nunes Thu 8/24/2000 2 KB 23707 SV: [tadream] ID a track Glenn Folkvord Thu 8/24/2000 2 KB 23709 Re: ID a track Marcel Engels Thu 8/24/2000 2 KB 23715 Singing on Cyclone Glynn Naughton Fri 8/25/2000 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 6:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] ID a track > can't say which track it is, but I can safely say that TD has vocals on > other tracks than a female voice. 'Cyclone' has voices, real singing > actually, but no German as far as I can recall. All English. And certainly > not vocoded. Well...it has got vocoded male voices in the beginning. And it almost sounds as if a german singer has sang on it in English. Maybe this helps? :-) Marcel From: 'Thomas' Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 6:42 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] ID a track > > can't say which track it is, but I can safely say that TD has vocals on > > other tracks than a female voice. 'Cyclone' has voices, real singing > > actually, but no German as far as I can recall. All English. And certainly > > not vocoded. > > Well...it has got vocoded male voices in the beginning. > And it almost sounds as if a german singer has sang on it in English. > > Maybe this helps? :-) > > Marcel > Right, my mistake. Sorry about that! :) Thanks, Thomas From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 7:26 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] ID a track Hi Thomas, Thanks for the info. >can't say which track it is, but I can safely say that TD has vocals on >other tracks than a female voice. Which one would that be, for example (so that I can avoid them, hehe) > 'Cyclone' has voices, real singing >actually, but no German as far as I can recall. All English. And certainly >not vocoded. >I know it's not much help, but at least you can rule out 'Cyclone'. So Cyclone doesnt have any vocals? Is 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' a TD track, from Cyclone? Glenn www.jmjfkn.com www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.egroups.com/group/jarrechat From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 7:36 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] ID a track Marcel, >Well...it has got vocoded male voices in the beginning. >And it almost sounds as if a german singer has sang on it in English. Its is a male voice and the vocoder part last for 40 seconds, without any other sounds. Part of the lyrics, male voice, is: 'rush of sounds is found inside'. The accent here is perfect English, no German accent. Total playing time: 13:11 Maybe that helps pinning it down? Glenn www.jmjfkn.com www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.egroups.com/group/jarrechat Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23705 Re: ID a track Marcel Engels Thu 8/24/2000 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 7:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] ID a track > From: Glenn Folkvord [mailto:folkvord@n...] > > Its is a male voice and the vocoder part last for 40 seconds, without any > other sounds. Part of the lyrics, male voice, is: 'rush of sounds is found > inside'. The accent here is perfect English, no German accent. > Total playing > time: 13:11 > > Maybe that helps pinning it down? Euhmm...must think very hard now! :-) It may be Cyclone yes...in fact it is Cyclone. Love that album. Marce From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 7:54 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] ID a track Glenn Folkvord wrote: > (...) Total playing time: 13:11 Bent Cold Sidewalk is exactly 13:11. Antonio Nunes np: Cyclone From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 7:57 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] ID a track Marcel and Antiono, Thanks! I think we have a winner. You helped me lose the bet :-) Final question: Who is singing? Cant be Eddie with such a good English accent. But again, I never heard him talk or sing before, so...... Glenn www.jmjfkn.com www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.egroups.com/group/jarrechat Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23709 Re: ID a track Marcel Engels Thu 8/24/2000 2 KB 23715 Singing on Cyclone Glynn Naughton Fri 8/25/2000 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 8:11 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] ID a track Glenn Folkvord wrote: > > Final question: Who is singing? Cant be Eddie with such a good English > accent. But again, I never heard him talk or sing before, so...... This time you win, it's not Edgar. It's Steve Jolliffe. Antonio Nunes From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 8:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] ID a track > From: Glenn Folkvord [mailto:folkvord@n...] > > Final question: Who is singing? Cant be Eddie with such a good English > accent. But again, I never heard him talk or sing before, so...... That would be Steve Joliffe... Now what did I win? :-) Marcel From: Vic Rek Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 8:45 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] ID a track Funny, I am playing right now the 'Cyclone' CD as I read (and just downloaded) all these e-mails. Right now Madrigal Meridian is playing - too bad I didn't download during Bent Cold Sidewalk - which of course has a long vocoder intro. I remember the good times of driving to the swamp and blasting this CD and grooving with a fellow list member. Vic Glenn Folkvord wrote: > > Marcel and Antiono, > > Thanks! I think we have a winner. > > You helped me lose the bet :-) From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 8:59 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] ID a track Marcel and Antonio (again), >Steve Joliffe I see, I almost forget he was with them around that time. Need to read up on TD I think.... Glenn www.jmjfkn.com www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.egroups.com/group/jarrechat From: aoutland@a... Date: Thu Aug 24, 2000 10:50 pm Subject: Re: SV: [tadream] ID a track In a message dated 08/24/2000 3:30:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, folkvord@n... writes: << can't say which track it is, but I can safely say that TD has vocals on >other tracks than a female voice. Which one would that be, for example (so that I can avoid them, hehe) >> Avoid Shy People then. 8-) Dell From: Vic Rek Date: Fri Aug 25, 2000 3:38 am Subject: TD in Hall of Fame? A fellow TD fan mentioned to me that TD was to be inducted to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland Ohio this year. Does anyone know anything about this? NP: Antique Dreams - German Polka version mispressing - hey, sounds good too ;-))) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23714 Re: TD in Hall of Fame? Michael A Jean Fri 8/25/2000 2 KB 23716 Re: TD in Hall of Fame? Vic Rek Fri 8/25/2000 2 KB 23742 Re: TD in Hall of Fame? Joe Shoults Mon 8/28/2000 3 KB 23752 Re: TD in Hall of Fame? twosheds Tue 8/29/2000 2 KB 23796 Re: TD in Hall of Fame? aoutland@a... Thu 8/31/2000 2 KB 23816 Re: TD in Hall of Fame? twosheds Fri 9/1/2000 2 KB 23821 Re: TD in Hall of Fame? Joe Shoults Fri 9/1/2000 4 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Aug 25, 2000 6:37 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TD in Hall of Fame? I heard that rumor some time back, but I think it was just a rumor...SO you are the lucky devil to have gotten that polka disc..;^) > -----Original Message----- > From: Vic Rek [mailto:torque19@i...] > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:38 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TD in Hall of Fame? > > > A fellow TD fan mentioned to me that TD was to be inducted to the Rock & > Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland Ohio this year. Does anyone know > anything about this? > > NP: Antique Dreams - German Polka version mispressing - hey, sounds good > too ;-))) > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Fri Aug 25, 2000 8:21 am Subject: Singing on Cyclone --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Glenn Folkvord' wrote: > Marcel and Antiono, > > Thanks! I think we have a winner. > > You helped me lose the bet :-) > > Final question: Who is singing? Cant be Eddie with such a good English > accent. But again, I never heard him talk or sing before, so...... > > Glenn --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Glenn Folkvord' wrote: > Marcel and Antiono, > > Thanks! I think we have a winner. > > You helped me lose the bet :-) > > Final question: Who is singing? Cant be Eddie with such a good English > accent. But again, I never heard him talk or sing before, so...... > > Glenn I heard Cyclone on tape long before I owned the LP, and, strangely enough, at that point I assumed that TD had borrowed the Scorpions' lead singer for the vocals. Yeah, I know it's a pretty clodhopping kind of assumption - TD are German, Scorpions are German, TD have a singer who sounds like the Scorpions' singer, therefore it's the same guy. Even so, I still think that Joliffe on this record is a near- exact soundalike... Glynn From: Vic Rek Date: Fri Aug 25, 2000 4:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD in Hall of Fame? This is where the rumor came from I think: http://www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows/editorial.htm Towards the bottom of the page you'll see concert dates and it lists TD there but says 'to be confirmed'. Michael A Jean wrote: > > I heard that rumor some time back, but I think it was just a rumor.. From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Fri Aug 25, 2000 4:41 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] TD in Hall of Fame? >This is where the rumor came from I think: >http://www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows/editorial.htm Nope, it didnt come from there originally. I got it from somewhere else, I dont remember exactly but it was probably tadream or tangerinedream email groups..... Glenn www.jmjfkn.com www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.egroups.com/group/jarrechat From: 'Duncan Mckee' Date: Fri Aug 25, 2000 5:31 pm Subject: The keep on ebay hi everyone i have put my spare copy of THE KEEP on ebay this is the first release of The Keep on TDI not the re-release that was in the millenium booster package http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=419547375 this is the only spare copy i had Duncan McKee mckee17@m... http://members.tripod.com/~duncanmckee/td.htm ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23719 Re: The keep on ebay Craig Chambers Fri 8/25/2000 2 KB From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Fri Aug 25, 2000 4:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The keep on ebay Wow! 70 pounds to start?...hmmm, you must be proud of that one! Happy bidding... From: 'twosheds' Date: Sat Aug 26, 2000 2:08 am Subject: TD in the Rock Hall A couple years ago, when Fish, former Marillion lead singer, gave his kilt to the hall for a supposed upcoming progressive rock exhibit, I spoke to Jim Henke, VP of something or other, about how the induction process works. He said a group of about 100 'rock experts' (emphasis added) decide collectively who to nominate and induct. I commented that it was pretty subjective, and he agreed. So I posited the following question: 'So a band that critics hate, but is still made of of extraordinarily talented musicians, might never get nominated. Like, say, ELP.' His reply 'You're right. ELP will probably never get nominated. But don't quote me on that.' Oops. These 'experts' are also all American, I believe, which is the reason for the preponderance of Americans in the Hall, the dearth of Brits, and the complete absences of anyone else. Well, there may be some Canadians. Black Sabbath? King Crimson? Maybe some day. Then last year, they did a thing where he and a couple other folks from the Hall did an 'Antiques Roadshow' style event where they assesed rock memorabilia. Among the items I brought were a copy of the Keep ST from the '97 tour and an original Ohr pressing of EM. The guy I spoke to (with VH-1's cameras trained on us. It never aired) said they were worthless. 'Who are these guys? I mean, I've heard of them, but no one else has. WHo cares about these guys?' Frankly, with an attitude like that, I'd prefer they weren't in the Hall. But for more info on the nominating process, one must write (they have no e-mail): Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation 1290 Avenue of the Americas New York, NY 10104 Scott Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23721 Re: TD in the Rock Hall Jim Moore Sat 8/26/2000 2 KB 23722 Re: TD in the Rock Hall Frank Arellano Sat 8/26/2000 4 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Aug 26, 2000 2:13 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TD in the Rock Hall > From: twosheds [mailto:twosheds@g...] > Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation > 1290 Avenue of the Americas > New York, NY 10104 I thought the Hall of Fame was in Cleveland, Ohio. Gotta wonder why there's such a milage disparity between the foundation and the actual site... (IMO, the Ohians generally have had a better sense of musical taste. But then, I'm from the Midwest myself...) - jim From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Sat Aug 26, 2000 6:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD in the Rock Hall Scott, when it comes to the arts everything is subjective. Unfortunately, in this life things often do boil down to politics too, and who you know. I know it's a cynical attitude to hold, but I think politics becomes inherent in any large organization. I also believe that if a person is strong enough inside themselves they don't need someone else to pat them on the back and to tell them that they are good. Most of us know if we are or not and where we stand in relation to others. What matters more importantly is how we see ourselves . Just off on a philosophical tangent. Frank Arellano ----- Original Message ----- From: 'twosheds' To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 8:08 PM Subject: [tadream] TD in the Rock Hall > A couple years ago, when Fish, former Marillion lead singer, gave his kilt > to the hall for a supposed upcoming progressive rock exhibit, I spoke to Jim > Henke, VP of something or other, about how the induction process works. He > said a group of about 100 'rock experts' (emphasis added) decide > collectively who to nominate and induct. I commented that it was pretty > subjective, and he agreed. So I posited the following question: 'So a band > that critics hate, but is still made of of extraordinarily talented > musicians, might never get nominated. Like, say, ELP.' His reply 'You're > right. ELP will probably never get nominated. But don't quote me on that.' > Oops. These 'experts' are also all American, I believe, which is the reason > for the preponderance of Americans in the Hall, the dearth of Brits, and the > complete absences of anyone else. Well, there may be some Canadians. Black > Sabbath? King Crimson? Maybe some day. > > Then last year, they did a thing where he and a couple other folks from the > Hall did an 'Antiques Roadshow' style event where they assesed rock > memorabilia. Among the items I brought were a copy of the Keep ST from the > '97 tour and an original Ohr pressing of EM. The guy I spoke to (with VH-1's > cameras trained on us. It never aired) said they were worthless. 'Who are > these guys? I mean, I've heard of them, but no one else has. WHo cares about > these guys?' > > Frankly, with an attitude like that, I'd prefer they weren't in the Hall. > But for more info on the nominating process, one must write (they have no > e-mail): > > Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation > 1290 Avenue of the Americas > New York, NY 10104 > > Scott > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: PENFOLD Date: Sat Aug 26, 2000 7:21 am Subject: TD on the Playa.....Any Requests? In less than 24 hours my wife and I will be departing for the 5th largest city in Nevada, albeit it only exists for a week. While I'm in Black Rock City, I'll be spending two shifts behind the console of Bears Lear Radio (89.5FM) http://www.ulink.net/mrbear/lair.html as the TD Maven known as DJ Dreamhead If you have any requests, get 'em to me before 8pm PST (-8GMT) Or if you just happen to be a participant in this year's Burning Man Festival http://www.burningman.com/ you can look me up in Gigsville Village (4:00 & Head Way) at our digs in the Postman of the Playa & Warrior Slut PVC Pyramid Camp I would think that the synchronicity of this list would have a listizen who I went to High School with (Vic Rek).....It would be nice to see a fellow TD listizen out on the Black Rock Desert Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... Saw copy of _The Keep_ LP, held it in his hands, but didn't have the $ 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese, on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sat Aug 26, 2000 12:30 pm Subject: Rainer's TD Fanpage Update HI! I did an update of my Tangerine Dream site: www.rutka.de/td ! Counter is on: 11.111 (!) Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Sat Aug 26, 2000 9:20 pm Subject: re: Rainer's TD Fanpage Update HI! I did an update of my Tangerine Dream site: www.rutka.de/td ! Counter is on: 11.111 (!)       Rainer Rainer -- what was that Keep pic disc you won on ebay? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23728 Re: Rainer's TD Fanpage Update Rainer Rutka Sun 8/27/2000 2 KB From: Totta Rydqvist Date: Sat Aug 26, 2000 9:45 pm Subject: Play list/Cover art Hi Its time to help a TD fan again people, i need the cover art or the playlist to the folloing TD concerts. 1. 3/13/75 Melbourne, Dallas Brooks Hall 90 VG+ 2. 3/16/75 Sydney, Horden Pavillion 90 VG+ 3. 6/10/76 Brighton, The Dome 80 EX- 4. 4/05/77 New York, Avery Fisher Hall 130 VG+ 5. 11/26/74 Bradford, St. George's Hall 40 VG 6. 10/12/75 Birmingham, Town Hall 110 VG+ 7 .10/20/75 York, Minister Cathedral 85 VG+ 8. 3/30/77 Detroit, Ford Auditorium 105 VG+ 9 .4/04/77 Washington DC, Lisner Aud. 100 VG+ radio 10. 4/26/77 Los Angeles, Santa Monica CC 120 VG+ 11. 7/12/77 Los Angeles, Greek Theater 90 VG- 12. 11/06/90 Bristol, Colston Hall Please contact me off list if you can help me with anyone of the conserts thanks people Totta From: 'Manuel Marino' Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 9:19 am Subject: The Virtual Networking Music Project Hello everyone!!! This is not an off topic, but just an idea i want to share with you... you can even say to me: it will not work!.. and i'll accept it! ;) i'm a musician, but also a manager, and i represent myself (Vanethian) and also a new electronic band from Italy (X-ctivity Factor). But i'll soon represent a new band called 'The Virtual Networking Music Project'... and there will be artists from everywhere in the world... the songs will be made of midi pieces or waves sent my each of the artists interested, then mixed up in my 24 tracks digital studio. The idea is to create a place where all artists from all genres can meet and mix different styles and ideas... electronic and classical artists, rock and soul music, new age and ethnic.. and so on... Are you interested? _________________________________ Manuel 'Vanethian' Marino --> http://www.mp3.com/Vanethian _________________________________________________ Best electronic, space, horror and fantasy music: Fright Night Horror Radio Station --> http://www.mp3.com/stations/fright_night Galaxy Channel 7 Radio Station --> http://www.mp3.com/stations/galaxy_channel_7 Galaxy Channel 8 Radio Station --> http://www.mp3.com/stations/galaxy_channel_8 Galaxy Channel 9 Radio Station --> http://www.mp3.com/stations/galaxy_channel_9 ---------------------------------------------------- Join *The New Music Frontier* Free Email Group! http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/TheNewMusicFrontier ---------------------------------------------------- From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 12:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re: Rainer's TD Fanpage Update On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 spawnofcthulhu@w... wrote: > what was that Keep pic disc you won on ebay? > Mike Unfortunately I don't have any answers to my question now. I sent an email 3 days ago - no answer so far. I'll post a message if I know something more. Rainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 11:12 am Subject: Re : [tadream] Official spam: Dream Mixes Special Event!!!!! Hi all, Could anyone who is attending this event please get in touch. Thanks, Paul > TDI - Martin K. wrote: > >> On Saturday, October 28th, TDI MUSIC are proud to >> announce a very special club- event: Ground Liftaz at the Kalkscheune, Berlin >> >> Þ a world- exclusive first preview of tracks from the upcoming Dream Mixes >> III- album. >> Þ exclusive Tangerine Dream- Mixes that you will never hear again anywhere else. From: 'Steve Yensen' Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 11:10 am Subject: Re: The keep on ebay, tracklist & cover art Craig sez: >Wow! 70 pounds to start?...hmmm, you must be proud of that one! Happy bidding... What's wrong with 70 pounds? That's how much I received for my copy at the beginning of this year - and that wasn't on ebay. Re trackist and cover art: 5. 11/26/74 Bradford, St. George's Hall 40 VG Sorry, I can't help. I was there (probably the only one on any TD mailing list) and would love a tape of this concert ... Cheers, Steve in Nottingham, UK (at Bradford University October 1972 - June 1976) - -- Home: steve@y... http://www.yensen.co.uk Work: Stephen.Yensen@s... Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow they may make it illegal. From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 3:53 pm Subject: Discussion Week 50 - Sunday 27th August 2000 This week it is the turn of the polarising Ambient Monkeys. Either you love it, or you think that it is an abomination. Why not tell us all what you think? Please make the subject read 'D:Studio [Ambient Monkeys]' when posting comments, for the benefit of the list archive search engine. Regards, Lawry Simm lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 3:58 pm Subject: D:Studio [Ambient Monkeys] Here's a repost of my own review to get the ball rolling... ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawry Simm To: Tadream Mailing List Sent: Thursday, March 19, 1998 12:01 AM Subject: D:Ambient Monkeys Ambient Monkeys - TDI011CD Subtitle: Dream folder #1 at Crimson's train lodge 'Myopia world' (???) Recorded 1997 Fujiwara Studios. 1. Token From Birdland 2. Symphony in a-minor (J.S.Bach) 3. The seventh propeller of silence 4. Calyx Calamander 5. Largo (G.F. Handel) 6. Riddle of the monkey tribe 7. Moon marble 8. Concerto in a-major, adagio (W.A Mozart) 9. Lemon Vendor Khaly 10. Campera de Mon Glynan 11. Virtue is it's own reward 12. Pantha rhei 13. Myopia world At first, I didn't know what to make of this album. It is very strange. The obvious snag with this release is the lack of cue points. Not really a problem for me, because I always listen to the whole cd, in order...(I'm not a 'skip this track - shuffle these tracks' sort of guy), but it can be a bit of a pain in the arse occasionally. It's hard to form an opinion of what this album is trying to be. As is well known, this cd was originally used as pre-concert ambient music during the 1997 European Tour. Reading the TD website, this music was released due to huge demand from the fans, and therefore, I believe was not originally intended for general release. This would at least explain it's lack of identity. It actually fulfilled it's purpose brilliantly. Sitting in Manchester waiting for TD to arrive, to be greeted by music that was clearly TD (some recognisable themes) yet completely removed from their current output, was quite an experience in itself. It wasn't clear before the concert that the Ambient Monkeys CD was by TD, Jerome solo, or A.N Other. All that was said in the press releases etc, was that it was pre-concert ambient music, so I was a bit concerned as I'd agreed to buy it for half a dozen overseas list members, and we didn't even know what it was. Still, concerns were short lived, as all deals were honoured and my estimations of not only those members involved, but the list as a whole were greatly improved. :-) Anyway, onto the music itself. This is obviously supposed to represent a journey, but quite where A and B are, and the route taken are far from clear. There are vast amounts of chuffing noises between each track, so we're obviously being carried by steam train, and on a coastal route it seems. Mention has been made of squawking monkeys etc, but most of the 'ambient' noise is that of steam trains, seashores, and light birdsong. Quite pleasant in the main, slightly irritating at worst. Unlike most of TD's recent classical output, the items found on this CD do not seem out of place. (Especially when compared to Pictures At An Exhibition, which I thought was the most inappropriately placed piece of music ever!). Here, at least, they seem to fit the mood. The third snippet of music, which happens to be my favourite part of the whole CD is Astral Voyager in disguise, and I can't help grooving at my keyboard when this starts up. Unfortunately, it only lasts for a couple of minutes. Like Tom Gerady, I recognise a lot of the other refrains, but I can't place them. Maybe Vic or Lars with their encyclopedic collections could offer some of the other names. I've even tried to date them based on synth patches without success. Lemon Vendor Khaly is another snippet I like, so if someone could tell me what this actually is I'd appreciate it. There's nothing here to make me stand up and shout, nor is there anything to make me lie down and cry, so, I suppose I'd say it was an 'average' album. Overall, as an experiment, I think this CD stands up pretty well, but as the start of a potential series of releases, (my interpretation of the subtitle), I don't think it could be repeated. At least, not in this format. It'll never be my most played TD CD, but it won't acheive Electonic Meditation's 'never again' status either. Don't break your neck to get this CD, but if the opportunity comes your way, don't pass it up either. When I'm stressed out, it's good to fall asleep to. Sorry for the on-topic post. :-) I now return you to UFO's, Eurock, The Beam, Kitaro..... and all manner of wierd and wonderful things. :-) Lawry Simm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23736 Re: D:Studio [Ambient Monkeys] James E. Jacoby Mon 8/28/2000 2 KB 23737 Re: D:Studio [Ambient Monkeys] Bert.Hulshoff@N... Mon 8/28/2000 2 KB 23738 Re: D:Studio [Ambient Monkeys] tom george Mon 8/28/2000 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 10:15 pm Subject: Tracklist of all albums Hey, Is there a website somewhere that has tracklists of all TD albums? Glenn www.jmjfkn.com www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.egroups.com/group/jarrechat Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23734 Re: Tracklist of all albums spawnofcthulhu@w... Mon 8/28/2000 2 KB 23735 Re: Tracklist of all albums Feldon Feldon Mon 8/28/2000 2 KB From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 4:06 am Subject: re: Tracklist of all albums    Message From: folkvord@n... (Glenn Folkvord) Hey, Is there a website somewhere that has tracklists of all TD albums? Glenn This is a really good one: The Polish Fanpage of Tangerine Dream [also available in english] http://www.tadream.dragontiger.com/home_en.html This is a really good one, too: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html For track listings of The Keep soundtrack in all it's incarnations, this is the best: http://www.rutka.de/td/keep.htm Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 1:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist of all albums http://www.tangerinedream.de/samples/ >From: 'Glenn Folkvord' >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: >Subject: [tadream] Tracklist of all albums >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:15:51 +0200 > >Hey, > >Is there a website somewhere that has tracklists of all TD albums? > >Glenn > >www.jmjfkn.com >www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows >www.egroups.com/group/jarrechat > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 2:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Ambient Monkeys] The first time I listened to Ambient Monkeys was also my last time. I just could not get past the annoying environmental sounds to enjoy the music. In a pre-concert setting I'm sure it works fine, and I know I wouldn't mind hearing it in that situation, but for me it just doesn't work at home at all. James From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 1:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:Studio [Ambient Monkeys] The first time I listened to AM it was like traveling with a train through a jungle. Maybe not the best TD songs but I still enjoy the trip. There are some similarties with Epsylon... of Edgar. some how it is the same trip only some years later. Greetings Bert aka Phrozenlight From: 'tom george' Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 2:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Ambient Monkeys] hello james, it is funny cause i just listened to this yesterday. i really like this cd. it fits a mood every now and then. plus it is so different from the usual TD. i just like to drift to it. and the music that emerges from the nature sounds every now then is just awesome. thumbs up to this one. tom -- On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:40:10 James E. Jacoby wrote: >The first time I listened to Ambient Monkeys was also my last time. I just >could not get past the annoying environmental sounds to enjoy the music. >In a pre-concert setting I'm sure it works fine, and I know I wouldn't mind >hearing it in that situation, but for me it just doesn't work at home at >all. > >James > > > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 2:22 pm Subject: D:Studio [Ambient monkeys] Ambient monkeys....never heard before, never heard again! ;-) Sorry but I just can't get into it. Heiko From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 3:10 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] re: Tracklist of all albums >This is a really good one: >The Polish Fanpage of Tangerine Dream >[also available in english] >http://www.tadream.dragontiger.com/home_en.html >Mike Yup, exactly what I need. Thanks Mike. Glenn www.jmjfkn.com www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.egroups.com/group/jarrechat From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 5:22 pm Subject: Re.D:Studio[Ambient Monkeys] What can I say music to fall asleep by enough said. Cheers Gary. From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 6:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD in Hall of Fame? er, um, guilty. I posed it as a sort of joke earlier this year (i think it was this year). it is a pipe dream and nothing else...although I think it is a great idea, since I work about a 10 minute walk from the Hall. But seriously, I know a couple of people whose ear I might be able to bend about an EM-oriented feature, but how likely do you think that would be? (doubtful) ...but then again, they seem to be running out of idea for exhibits there... Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Folkvord [mailto:folkvord@n...] > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 12:42 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: SV: [tadream] TD in Hall of Fame? > > > >This is where the rumor came from I think: > >http://www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows/editorial.htm > > Nope, it didnt come from there originally. I got it from > somewhere else, I > dont remember exactly but it was probably tadream or > tangerinedream email > groups..... > > Glenn > > www.jmjfkn.com > www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows > www.egroups.com/group/jarrechat > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > -------------------------~-~> > Evolution is not necessarily collective... > Courses, consultations and free lectures online. > http://click.egroups.com/1/8670/6/_/24785/_/967221989/ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------_-> > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 6:41 pm Subject: RE: official tracklists question Hi Glenn, I have compiled a Microsoft Excel file with all the official tracks that I know of (I may have missed a few singles here and there). Currently it is sorted by album, but you can also sort by track title, track length, or year of release. I can e-mail the file to anyone interested. James > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Glenn Folkvord' > Subject: Tracklist of all albums > > Hey, > > Is there a website somewhere that has tracklists of all TD albums? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23751 Re: official tracklists question David Foster Tue 8/29/2000 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 6:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Architecture In Motion DVD they won a grammy? I thought they were nominated but never won... details? > -----Original Message----- > From: Bennett Cookson [mailto:bennett.cookson@N...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:41 PM > To: 'tadream@egroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] Architecture In Motion DVD > > > I don't have my DVD with me, but be sure to order the one > which features TD. > There are several with similar (almost exact) titles. Note: > * Scored by the > Grammy(r)-winning Tangerine Dream > > > Here is listing from Amazon > > What a Blast: Architecture in Motion (1999) > > Rated: NR > Starring: What a Blast, et al. > Director: > > Edition Details: > * Region 1 encoding (US and Canada only) > * Color, DTS Stereo > * Song Indexes (Music Videos) > * Random Play > * Scored by the Grammy(r)-winning Tangerine Dream > * ASIN: 1575237873 Click here for more technical details about this > edition... > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates > of 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Ongoing APR* and no annual fee! > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/7872/6/_/24785/_/967048897/ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------|e>- > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'marc todd' Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 1:46 am Subject: Big demand for Ambient Monkeys??? Hi Everyone, I just read Lawry's review of Ambient Monkeys. He mentioned that this cd was released (according to TD's website) due to a huge demand from the fans. Who are these fans?? Every TD fan I know has been demanding untouched live material from the 70's and 80's for years, then all of a sudden a cd gets released due to 'huge demand', and it's not even worthy of more then a curiosity first listen? What's up with that? I agree with Lawry that there are a couple passable songs, but with all the ambient noise over the music, it's a waste of time. Perhaps I'm a cynic, but Ambient Monkeys sounds like another 'Let's releases another worthless compilation of leftover Rockoon tracks and sell it because it's from TD' rip off. I guess 'huge demand' only applies towards influencing current TD music to be released. What a shame. ATB, Marc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23747 Re: Big demand for Ambient Monkeys??? Joe Shoults Mon 8/28/2000 3 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 7:05 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] RE: official tracklists question I am sure that one will be handy, please send it, thanks. glenn -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Owens, James Til: 'tadream@egroups.com' Dato: 28. august 2000 20:41 Emne: [tadream] RE: official tracklists question >Hi Glenn, > >I have compiled a Microsoft Excel file with all the official tracks that I >know of (I may have missed a few singles here and there). Currently it is >sorted by album, but you can also sort by track title, track length, or year >of release. > >I can e-mail the file to anyone interested. > >James From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 8:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Big demand for Ambient Monkeys??? I disagree wholeheartedly. I like Ambient Monkeys a lot. But then, I'm kinda weird... Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: marc todd [mailto:marctodd@h...] > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 2:46 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Big demand for Ambient Monkeys??? > > > Hi Everyone, > I just read Lawry's review of Ambient Monkeys. He mentioned > that this cd was > released (according to TD's website) due to a huge demand > from the fans. Who > are these fans?? Every TD fan I know has been demanding > untouched live > material from the 70's and 80's for years, then all of a > sudden a cd gets > released due to 'huge demand', and it's not even worthy of > more then a > curiosity first listen? What's up with that? I agree with > Lawry that there > are a couple passable songs, but with all the ambient noise > over the music, > it's a waste of time. Perhaps I'm a cynic, but Ambient > Monkeys sounds like > another 'Let's releases another worthless compilation of > leftover Rockoon > tracks and sell it because it's from TD' rip off. I guess > 'huge demand' only > applies towards influencing current TD music to be released. > What a shame. > ATB, > Marc > ______________________________________________________________ > ___________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... Website: http://www.tadream.net From: tweibre361@a... Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 11:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 614 In a message dated 8/29/00 5:57:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tadream@egroups.com writes: > He mentioned that this cd was > released (according to TD's website) due to a huge demand from the fans. Who > > are these fans?? i am one...best release of the 90s, imo... tom w np: gamma (fax - ps 08/30) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23750 Re: Digest Number 614 Marcel Engels Tue 8/29/2000 2 KB From: 'Jeffrey Au Yeung' <220Volt@i...> Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 2:55 pm Subject: Oasis VCD Hello all I have just updated my website with a scan of an Oasis VCD as my 'Antique Dreams #3' (though this release is quite recent). It has a slightly different (and more beautiful) cover than all the other releases I know of. Take a look at: http://members.tripodasia.com.hk/coldwatercanyon/oasis.html I have limited copies for swap if interested. If it's your first time to visit my website, don't forget to sign my guestbook too 8-) http://members.tripodasia.com.hk/bin/gb?member_name=coldwatercanyon Regards Jeffrey From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 4:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 614 > From: tweibre361@a... [mailto:tweibre361@a...] > > > He mentioned that this cd was > > released (according to TD's website) due to a huge demand from > the fans. > Who > > > > are these fans?? > > i am one...best release of the 90s, imo... I'm not saying I'm a fan of the CD but for me it works better then almost every other TD CD of the 90s. Marcel From: 'David Foster' Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 7:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: official tracklists question ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Folkvord To: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 8:05 PM Subject: SV: [tadream] RE: official tracklists question > I am sure that one will be handy, please send it, thanks. > > glenn > > > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: Owens, James > Til: 'tadream@egroups.com' > Dato: 28. august 2000 20:41 > Emne: [tadream] RE: official tracklists question > > > >Hi Glenn, > > > >I have compiled a Microsoft Excel file with all the official tracks that I > >know of (I may have missed a few singles here and there). Currently it is > >sorted by album, but you can also sort by track title, track length, or > year > >of release. > > > >I can e-mail the file to anyone interested. > > > >James > James, I'm interested. Please email me the list. Thanks in advance. David > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > From: 'twosheds' Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 8:02 pm Subject: RE: TD in Hall of Fame? >er, um, guilty. I posed it as a sort of joke earlier this year (i think it >was this year). it is a pipe dream and nothing else...although I think it >is a great idea, since I work about a 10 minute walk from the Hall. But >seriously, I know a couple of people whose ear I might be able to bend about >an EM-oriented feature, but how likely do you think that would be? >(doubtful) Don't hold your breath. I think we'll all have joined the choir eternal before TD is in the R&RHoF. >...but then again, they seem to be running out of idea for exhibits there... It was three years since they were supposed to do their Progressive Rock exhibit. It just confirms what I've believed all along: the Hall is another way for baby boomers to pat themselves on the back. Scott From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 8:47 pm Subject: Ambient Monkeys Well, I got up today and hunted down the only copy of Ambient Monkeys in Portland driven by an earlier review that compared it to Epsilon.... I don't get it, It's not even close to that album IMO... Ah well, It's not bad, though I can't help but notice that there are a couple of older compositions they are trying to pass off as new :-( arrrgh.... cut 3 hmmmm I don't have the CD handy, but isn't that off of Pinnacles? I would have preferred the ambient noises mixed a little lower especially track 10, which sounds like it was recorded at a zoo... you can hear children yelling......... Well, It's got some good moments, but I'd still rate Mars Polaris as my favorite '90's TD.... Poly From: Rainer Rutka Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 11:25 pm Subject: Dream Sequence - Virgin Promo Set HI! Just for your info: I added a special about the rare Dream Sequence' 2CD-Promo (and much more) to my TD-site. If you are interested.. Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 1:13 am Subject: A Tangerine Dream Dream From time to time, I've seen people on this list post accounts of dreams that they've had that involved TD in some way or another. Well, I had one of my own last night. In it, I found myself on stage with TD during a concert. Half the time, I was omniscient observer and the other half, I seemed to be inhabiting Jerome's body. Edgar was more of a presence of the stage than a defined person, but you know how weird dreams can be and yet still make sense. And hey, I can't even play music, so I had no business being on that stage at all! In this dream, all of the music they were supposed to play that night was stored on external hard drives, and the drives completely failed. So Edgar announced that, if the crowd was willing to go along with it, the band were going to just play a set of improvised music 'like in the old days'. I'm not making this up...that's exactly how it ended! And the crowd was enthusiastic. What does this all mean, I wonder? :-) -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23756 Re: A Tangerine Dream Dream Vic Rek Wed 8/30/2000 2 KB 23758 Re: A Tangerine Dream Dream Sean Montgomery Wed 8/30/2000 2 KB 23769 Re: A Tangerine Dream Dream Joe Shoults Wed 8/30/2000 2 KB 23770 Re: A Tangerine Dream Dream tom george Wed 8/30/2000 2 KB 23772 Re: A Tangerine Dream Dream Joe Shoults Wed 8/30/2000 2 KB 23774 Re: A Tangerine Dream Dream Jim Moore Wed 8/30/2000 2 KB 23818 Re: A Tangerine Dream Dream Joe Shoults Fri 9/1/2000 2 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 2:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A Tangerine Dream Dream Sean Montgomery wrote: [...] external hard drives, and the drives completely failed. So Edgar announced > that, if the crowd was willing to go along with it, the band were going to just > play a set of improvised music 'like in the old days'. I'm not making this > up...that's exactly how it ended! And the crowd was enthusiastic. What does > this all mean, I wonder? :-) It means that the Canadian fans have some imagination! I have a lot of respect for the neighbors north of us - but you pay too much in tax! :-) From: Vic Rek Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 2:53 am Subject: Oke - 2001 - The New Millenium Dear Swamp Music Fans, This is the time that we need to start planning our 2001 swamp event. The last one was a success (on a small scale) and we created some great music, great times, and great adventures. For those that experienced the Okefenookee Swamp in South Georgia will attest that this is an experience of a lifetime. I hope more fans will attend and I hope that we can get a special performance by TDJ Rome :-) - maybe even father and son!!! Right now I plan to reserve 3 cottages in early April 2001. This is the best time to visit before the bugs and humidity set it. The cost is very inexpensive if we fill all cottages (8 people each). Please feel free to respond with your comments so we can set this second annual Swamp event into motion! This time I will be taking deposits if you plan to attend. You will not regret it if you join us - I promise! Lot's of TD related fun and giveaways to enjoy too! Right now I need a tentative headcount so I can efficiently plan this event. Looking forward...to 2001... Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23759 Re: Oke - 2001 - The New Millenium James E. Jacoby Wed 8/30/2000 2 KB 23766 Re: Oke - 2001 - The New Millenium tom george Wed 8/30/2000 3 KB 23773 Re: Oke - 2001 - The New Millenium Jim Moore Wed 8/30/2000 3 KB From: Sean Montgomery Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 3:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A Tangerine Dream Dream Vic Rek wrote: > I have a lot of respect for the neighbors north of us - but you pay too much in > tax! > :-) Perhaps...but we *do* still have a national health care system, a somewhat viable public education system, and our major cities don't have districts that look like war zones. But give us time, our enlightened political leadership will have those problems fixed in another few years. ;-) Okay, back to TD....but one thing...what's with these damned VISA ads? -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: 'James E. Jacoby' Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 4:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Oke - 2001 - The New Millenium Vic Rek wrote:Dear Swamp Music Fans, > > This is the time that we need to start planning our 2001 swamp event. > The last one was a success (on a small scale) and we created some great > music, great times, and great adventures. > > Right now I need a tentative headcount so I can efficiently plan this > event. I'd love to be part of the tentative headcount, but I have no idea what you're talking about! What exactly is this? What happened at the last one? What kind of costs are we perhaps talking about? Fill me in with some more info, please! My curiousity is definitely aroused. James From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 8:26 pm Subject: million TD fan chant we want it old! we want it live! we want it unreleased! we want it untouched! release it now! a fifty CD box set! it's exactly what we need! --teiwaz (too painful to listen to the most creative TD ever, indeed) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23761 Re: million TD fan chant craig.cordrey@a... Wed 8/30/2000 4 KB 23762 Re: million TD fan chant Bert.Hulshoff@N... Wed 8/30/2000 4 KB 23763 Re: million TD fan chant Synthhtnys@a... Wed 8/30/2000 2 KB 23767 million TD fan chant olle.rundgren@s... Wed 8/30/2000 2 KB 23781 Re: million TD fan chant craig.cordrey@a... Thu 8/31/2000 4 KB 23771 Re: million TD fan chant horrod6 Wed 8/30/2000 2 KB 23775 Re: million TD fan chant Carl Kearney Wed 8/30/2000 2 KB 23776 Re: million TD fan chant Feldon Feldon Wed 8/30/2000 6 KB 23778 Re: million TD fan chant Carl Kearney Wed 8/30/2000 2 KB From: craig.cordrey@a... Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 8:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] million TD fan chant >we want it old! we want it live! we want it unreleased! we want it >untouched! release it now! a fifty CD box set! it's exactly what we need! Am I the only one on this list that has a family to support? A large boxed-set is NOT the route I woud like to see - I don't want to shell out £600 for a KS-style 50CD set in one go. What I _would_ like to do though (if Mr. TDI is listening) is to 'join' a Classics Club, as it were, where a classic concert CD is released every month at the cheap price of £10 for Club members, £15 for non-members. I'd find it much easier to justify trading a take-away meal a month for a CD than the annual family holiday for a 50-CD set. Clearly I am only a part-time fan, though. Mind you, other than the size/time-scale of release, I agree with the original sentiment. 8-) NP : Pickford - Maelstrom +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@a... | | craig.cordrey@b... | | Senior Systems Engineer | | Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 | | Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division | | Donibristle, Fife, Scotland | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 8:46 am Subject: RE: [tadream] million TD fan chant Well Graig , About those big boxes I agree whit you, Maybe the price is lower when you released the album in a box But I like to listen and choose the albums I like. And even when they are all excellent, I like to buy them over a year, not in one big investement. These is the reason why I will never buy those KS-boxes or even TD-boxes. Greetings Bert > ---------- > From: craig.cordrey@a...[SMTP:craig.cordrey@a...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:51 > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] million TD fan chant > > > > > >we want it old! we want it live! we want it unreleased! we want it > >untouched! release it now! a fifty CD box set! it's exactly what we > need! > > Am I the only one on this list that has a family to support? A large > boxed-set > is NOT the route I woud like to see - I don't want to shell out £600 for a > KS-style 50CD set in one go. > > What I _would_ like to do though (if Mr. TDI is listening) is to 'join' a > Classics Club, as it were, where a classic concert CD is released every > month > at the cheap price of £10 for Club members, £15 for non-members. I'd find > it > much easier to justify trading a take-away meal a month for a CD than the > annual family holiday for a 50-CD set. > > Clearly I am only a part-time fan, though. > > Mind you, other than the size/time-scale of release, I agree with the > original > sentiment. 8-) > > NP : Pickford - Maelstrom > > +------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@a... | > | craig.cordrey@b... | > | Senior Systems Engineer | > | Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 | > | Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division | > | Donibristle, Fife, Scotland | > +------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 8:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] million TD fan chant << What I _would_ like to do though (if Mr. TDI is listening) is to 'join' a Classics Club, as it were, where a classic concert CD is released every month at the cheap price of £10 for Club members, £15 for non-members. I'd find it much easier to justify trading a take-away meal a month for a CD than the annual family holiday for a 50-CD set. >> *Well, I hope Mr. TDI is hearing you Craig as that is the best idea I've heard in a long time... There surely is enough people vocalizing their desire for vintage UNTOUCHED TD Live to warrant at least giving it a shot.... Besides the time freed up from doing that would give TD more available time for new works, that way the fans who prefer the older sound have something to sink their teeth into as well as those who prefer the new...Everyones happy.... well no, scratch that.... That never happens... Poly From: Bag Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 11:53 am Subject: new site Hi, I've made a new version of my TD Website. Maybe you will like it, maybe not? :)) Don't forget to vote for your favourite albums. -- Regards from Poland Bag ---------------------- bag@a... http://tadream.ac.pl/ ---------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23765 Re: new site Heiko Heerssen Wed 8/30/2000 2 KB 23768 Re: new site Feldon Feldon Wed 8/30/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 12:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] new site Bag wrote: > I've made a new version of my TD Website. Maybe you will like it, > maybe not? :)) > Don't forget to vote for your favourite albums. Hey Bag, your site looks excellent! It must have take some time to make it look as good as it does now, congratulations. Heiko http://members.tripod.de/Network23/TD.html (my shabby new TD site ;-) From: 'tom george' Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 12:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Oke - 2001 - The New Millenium well Vic, put me down for this one also. Tom -- On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:53:01 Vic Rek wrote: > >Dear Swamp Music Fans, > >This is the time that we need to start planning our 2001 swamp event. >The last one was a success (on a small scale) and we created some great >music, great times, and great adventures. > >For those that experienced the Okefenookee Swamp in South Georgia will >attest that this is an experience of a lifetime. > >I hope more fans will attend and I hope that we can get a special >performance by TDJ Rome :-) - maybe even father and son!!! > >Right now I plan to reserve 3 cottages in early April 2001. This is the >best time to visit before the bugs and humidity set it. The cost is very >inexpensive if we fill all cottages (8 people each). Please feel free to >respond with your comments so we can set this second annual Swamp event >into motion! This time I will be taking deposits if you plan to attend. >You will not regret it if you join us - I promise! > >Lot's of TD related fun and giveaways to enjoy too! > >Right now I need a tentative headcount so I can efficiently plan this >event. > >Looking forward...to 2001... >Vic > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 12:55 pm Subject: million TD fan chant >Craig C wrote: >What I _would_ like to do though (if Mr. TDI is listening) is to 'join' a >Classics Club, as it were, where a classic concert CD is released every month >at the cheap price of £10 for Club members, £15 for non-members. I'd find it >much easier to justify trading a take-away meal a month for a CD than the >annual family holiday for a 50-CD set. Brilliant idea, please take it into consideration TD+I! I'd sign up immediately. There isn't a concert from the 70's I wouldn't want to hear. --I guess you know Craig that the Schulze 50 CD box is available in 'easier to eat- portions' as well. Still isn't cheap with a ten CD box, but perhaps you'll get away with giving up a weekend-trip instead of the entire holliday.-- Olle np: Andy Pickford - Terraformer Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23781 Re: million TD fan chant craig.cordrey@a... Thu 8/31/2000 4 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 3:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] new site That's a really well done site! Excellent design and work. Morgan >From: Bag >Reply-To: tadream@egroups.com >To: tadream@egroups.com >Subject: [tadream] new site >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:53:32 +0200 > >Hi, > > I've made a new version of my TD Website. Maybe you will like it, > maybe not? :)) > Don't forget to vote for your favourite albums. > >-- >Regards from Poland > Bag >---------------------- >bag@a... >http://tadream.ac.pl/ >---------------------- > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 5:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] A Tangerine Dream Dream yeah, but they don't tax your winnings in the casinos! (I won $405CDN last week at Windsor!) > -----Original Message----- > From: Vic Rek [mailto:torque19@i...] ... > > up...that's exactly how it ended! And the crowd was > enthusiastic. What does > > this all mean, I wonder? :-) > > It means that the Canadian fans have some imagination! I have a lot of > respect for the neighbors north of us - but you pay too much in tax! > :-) > > From: 'tom george' Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 6:01 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] A Tangerine Dream Dream wow 405CDN!!! that just might be enough for TD's next booster package. tom -- On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:56:18 Joe Shoults wrote: > >yeah, but they don't tax your winnings in the casinos! (I won $405CDN last >week at Windsor!) > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Vic Rek [mailto:torque19@i...] >... >> > up...that's exactly how it ended! And the crowd was >> enthusiastic. What does >> > this all mean, I wonder? :-) >> >> It means that the Canadian fans have some imagination! I have a lot of >> respect for the neighbors north of us - but you pay too much in tax! >> :-) >> >> > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: horrod6 Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 6:13 pm Subject: Re: million TD fan chant Craig, I don't have a family to support, but other than that, you echoed my feelings exactly. Like you, if I had the sponds I'd be on it like a shot, but as I have to live in the real world, give me a 'timed release' - as long as it's old, live, unreleased and untouched! And I think the classics club idea is a great one. Surely there must be advantages to TDI in doing it that way too - they'd have a fair idea of how many copies to press, so no wasted resources. And Edgar wouldn't have to listen to it if he didn't want to - which I gather he doesn't - because he wouldn't need to do any work on it. (Are you listening, Martin?) And the fans who only like the newer material wouldn't waste their money buying something they knew they weren't going to enjoy LnH Marion From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 6:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] A Tangerine Dream Dream I think it came to something like $260US, but with all the $10 drinks I'm not sure. > -----Original Message----- > From: tom george [mailto:eloy-usa@a...] > -------_-> > > wow 405CDN!!! that just might be enough for TD's next booster package. > > tom > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23774 Re: A Tangerine Dream Dream Jim Moore Wed 8/30/2000 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 9:05 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Oke - 2001 - The New Millenium Put a check by my name! Damn the networks and full speed ahead! - jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Vic Rek [mailto:torque19@i...] > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 10:53 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Oke - 2001 - The New Millenium > > > > Dear Swamp Music Fans, > > This is the time that we need to start planning our 2001 swamp event. > The last one was a success (on a small scale) and we created some great > music, great times, and great adventures. > > For those that experienced the Okefenookee Swamp in South Georgia will > attest that this is an experience of a lifetime. > > I hope more fans will attend and I hope that we can get a special > performance by TDJ Rome :-) - maybe even father and son!!! > > Right now I plan to reserve 3 cottages in early April 2001. This is the > best time to visit before the bugs and humidity set it. The cost is very > inexpensive if we fill all cottages (8 people each). Please feel free to > respond with your comments so we can set this second annual Swamp event > into motion! This time I will be taking deposits if you plan to attend. > You will not regret it if you join us - I promise! > > Lot's of TD related fun and giveaways to enjoy too! > > Right now I need a tentative headcount so I can efficiently plan this > event. > > Looking forward...to 2001... > Vic > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 9:05 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] A Tangerine Dream Dream Ah, but in the US, the drinks in Casino's are free... haha! > I think it came to something like $260US, but with all the $10 drinks I'm > not sure. > > wow 405CDN!!! that just might be enough for TD's next booster package. From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 9:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: million TD fan chant ' The Song Remains the same ' ----- Original Message ----- From: 'horrod6' To: 'tadream@o...' Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:13 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: million TD fan chant > And I think the classics club idea is a great one. Surely there must be > advantages to TDI in doing it that way too - they'd have a fair idea of > how many copies to press, so no wasted resources. As usual Mr sensible Craig has hit the nail on the head but there seems to be one fundimental problem with this idea ! Do you actually trust TDI to release them untouched ? I dont think so ! There is not enough money in it for them if they dont appeal to the majority of TD fans out there . But yes I would sign up for a disc a month or something similar . Just a thought ,,, Regards Orch - Carl From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 11:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: million TD fan chant >From: 'Carl Kearney' > > >As usual Mr sensible Craig has hit the nail on the head but there seems to >be one fundimental problem with this idea ! > >Do you actually trust TDI to release them untouched ? >I dont think so ! >There is not enough money in it for them if they dont appeal to the >majority >of TD fans out there . I wasn't aware that the majority of TD fans wanted Disneyfied versions of the classic concerts. In fact, most TD fans who are not connected somehow to an information source such as this list are probably completely in the dark about the issue. Short of a few comments in the Guestbook by those who have purchased Sohoman and Soundmill Navigator and have the ears to tell the difference between vintage and yesterday's noodlings, most people don't know just what exactly exists. There could be 100 hours of unreleased TD, or none. 98% of TD fans have the CDs that are sitting in the store and none else. And at least in the USA, I'm sure most fans have never seen TD live so they don't know that there stuff was improvised. To be honest, I think most TD fans have signed off on TD, happy to buy material dated in the surrounding years they enjoy. I really don't know how the average fan reacts to the 'new' stuff in the bin. I know if I didn't have any knowledge from this list, I would have to judge solely on the CD cover. Because of my experience with Tangents, Dream Roots, and Sohoman, I wouldn't buy anything new before having a listen or consulting this list. I really don't know TD's situation except that they don't do any kind of promotion whatsoever in the US except touting their Grammy nominations. Here's a question to the list... if TDI made an investment in the US-- a concerted effort to pitch a new batch of say, 5 or 10 CDs of untouched concerts from 1974-1986, and the music stores responded by at least putting the CD up on the counter and putting up a TDI produced mini-poster, do you think TD's core audience would be reached? Here are some questions to consider: 'Who IS TD's core audience?' TD music seems to sit there in the New Age bin (Edgar, I feel your pain!) and go largely unnoticed. What if TDI insisted on a new CD or two being filed under Electronic and made efforts to get the distributors interested? Anyone has to be at least mildly interested in a band that's 30 years old!! 'Who are these guys?' 'Well, they were there when Electronic Music started! They've morphed into New Age, but they want to release some of their archive material in pristine untouched condition! Are you in?' and pray the distributor doesn't yawn... 'Does TD's core audience still shop at music stores?' In my case, I use the TD list for my purchasing info. Before the list, I would wander into my local Soundwaves periodically (maybe 3-5 times a year) and look in the TD bin. Then, on my way out, I ask the person at the counter if I can look at their release book and I browse a few months into the future. I even glance at the billboard on your way out of the store listing the next 20 or so artists releasing new stuff. If TDI reached out to the music stores and sent them little mini-posters for the counter-top and a sample CD or two and pushed themselves as electronic pioneers in their print ads, I wonder what the response would be. 'Does TD's core audience know the significance of TD's year-to-year changes and how imperitive it is that the listener buys an album produced within the desired span of years?' I learned very quickly the difference in years. I heard Miracle Mile, loved it, bought Turn of the Tides (only thing in the store), enjoyed it, bought 220 Volt, enjoyed it, then listened to Electronic Meditation. The shock of EM resulted in my gradually working my way backwards year-wise, instead of plunging in head-first. After I bought Logos, Poland, Phaedra, Force Majeure, and Tangram, I saw their new stuff (1987+) in a different light. What does all this mean? If I wandered into a store (again, without any knowledge from this list) and saw a new TD CD dated 1974-1986 I hadn't seen before (and I wasn't familiar with/terrified of Tangentization), I would buy it on the spot. I don't know what a concerted marketing effort would cost (mostly in-store promotion, not advertising) and I don't know if it would accomplish the task at hand. Right now, TDI sends out a CD and hopes it will fly with no promotion at all. After Sohoman and Soundmill Navigator, TD's image has been tarnished, at least in the eyes of anyone who was a pre-1986 TD fan and picked up either one of those. Morgan ___________________________________________________________ Get a sneak preview of the new MSN: http://preview.msn.com/ From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 11:42 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] D:Studio [Ambient Monkeys] From: James E. Jacoby Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Ambient Monkeys] > The first time I listened to Ambient Monkeys was also my last time. I just > could not get past the annoying environmental sounds to enjoy the music. > In a pre-concert setting I'm sure it works fine, and I know I wouldn't mind > hearing it in that situation, but for me it just doesn't work at home at > all. > > James I second that emotion. I sometimes listen to ambient music with a lot of environmental sounds but combined with TD-music, like what has been done on AM, just didn't work for me. As James stated the jungle-sounds just keeps getting to dominating in my ears. Jan From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 9:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: million TD fan chant ' The Song Remains the same ' ----- Original Message ----- From: 'horrod6' To: 'tadream@o...' Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:13 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: million TD fan chant > And I think the classics club idea is a great one. Surely there must be > advantages to TDI in doing it that way too - they'd have a fair idea of > how many copies to press, so no wasted resources. As usual Mr sensible Craig has hit the nail on the head but there seems to be one fundimental problem with this idea ! Do you actually trust TDI to release them untouched ? I dont think so ! There is not enough money in it for them if they dont appeal to the majority of TD fans out there . But yes I would sign up for a disc a month or something similar . Just a thought ,,, Regards Orch - Carl From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 12:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: million TD fan chant ' The Song Remains the same ' ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' To: Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: million TD fan chant > > >From: 'Carl Kearney' > > > > > >As usual Mr sensible Craig has hit the nail on the head but there seems to > >be one fundimental problem with this idea ! > > > >Do you actually trust TDI to release them untouched ? > >I dont think so ! > >There is not enough money in it for them if they dont appeal to the > >majority > >of TD fans out there . > > I wasn't aware that the majority of TD fans wanted Disneyfied versions of > the classic concerts. > Isnt that what I said ??????????? Carl From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 4:10 am Subject: KS X Hello everyone, I've been mostly silent since early this year because it's been a very busy year for me.Remember when I asked for your recommendations about what to hear from KS? As I said before, I already had a Royal Festival Hall Vol.1 CDR, but that's not really a good start. So, in the middle of July I ordered X at my local store, and it would take 45-60 days to arrive (Europe (or German?) catalogue). I thought it would arrive early September, but for my surprise it has just arrived. I had a preview of it last weekend when I found Ludwig II on Naspresters, and later when Zoltan from the #tadream IRC channel sent the first half of it in 56 kb MP3 because I had only gotten the first minute of it. Now I'm finally playing Ludwig II in full CD quality for the first time after playing the first CD from the album. I'd like to thank all of you whi helped me picking perhaps the best (real) introduction to Schulze! (now what should be the next step? timewindmoondawnd'whateverpolandaudentitymirage... what a huge discography. Regards, Jobim Gustavo Jobim (gustavfj@m...) MOKSVKWJMJTDPGITQR. From: craig.cordrey@a... Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 4:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] million TD fan chant >Brilliant idea, please take it into consideration TD+I! I'd sign up >immediately. There isn't a concert from the 70's I wouldn't want to hear. I'm sure that there are a few who would go for this idea or for some other innovative selling practice, if we got the chance. Having a predictable, guaranteed income can make a big difference to a small company. >--I guess you know Craig that the Schulze 50 CD box is available in 'easier >to eat- portions' as well. To be perfectly honest, I don't know if I could listen to 10 consecutive KS CDs. Whilst I can appreciate some of his work, I find that I get most form him when I dip in occassionally. I _know_ I could listen to 10 consecutive TD CDs, though, but would prefer the exquisite anticip pation of a monthly 'update' rather than 'single download'. NP : Golden Age of Wireless - TD (that's Thomas Dolby) +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@a... | | craig.cordrey@b... | | Senior Systems Engineer | | Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 | | Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division | | Donibristle, Fife, Scotland | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 11:54 am Subject: 7 letters from tibet well guys, i couldn't wait. although i have this coming from Groove with the t-shirt; i had ordered from my local store too, so when it came in yesterday i just decided i would have one for the car and another for the house. i slid it in the car cd player the second i came out of the store. the first cut came on and WOW. what a beautiful piece of ambient spacemusic. this was like no TD i ever heard. i have alot of cds by other artists that fit in this genre but i had never imagined TD doing it. cut one is magnificent. track two wasn't quite so impressive but still good. i made it to track 5 before getting home and that is all i have heard so far. none of the other 4 cuts i heard held the initial magic of the first one but i am sure this will be my most played TD cd of the 90's so far. i like this direction alot. tom Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23783 Re: 7 letters from tibet Craig Chambers Thu 8/31/2000 2 KB 23784 Re: 7 letters from tibet tom george Thu 8/31/2000 2 KB 23789 Re: 7 letters from tibet Feldon Feldon Thu 8/31/2000 2 KB 23792 Re: 7 letters from tibet Jared White Thu 8/31/2000 3 KB 23800 Re: 7 letters from tibet quarlie@a... Fri 9/1/2000 2 KB From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 11:23 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 7 letters from tibet none of the other 4 cuts i heard held the initial magic of the first one but i am sure this will be my most played TD cd of the 90's so far. i like this direction alot. tom ******************************** Errr....I hate to burst your bubble Tom, but, um, I believe we are in the 00's now.... :-) Craig From: 'tom george' Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 4:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 7 letters from tibet haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaa so right Mr. Chambers. man where have i been. the 00's indeed. thanks for bringing me out of my bubble. tom -- On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:23:39 Craig Chambers wrote: >http://click.egroups.com/1/6347/6/_/24785/_/967726499/ >tom > >******************************** >Errr....I hate to burst your bubble Tom, but, um, I believe we are in the >00's now.... > >:-) > >Craig > > >PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... >Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 2:56 pm Subject: [tadream] Cassettes/CD singles offered Hi all, If anyone collects cassettes, I have the following rare originals on offer: 'Shy People' (Varese Sarabande, catalogue no. CTV 81357) (still in the wrapping, never opened) '3 O'Clock High' (Varese Sarabande, catalogue no. CTV 81339) 'Firestarter' (Varese Sarabande, catalogue no. VSC-5251) They are all in mint condition, never been played, although there is a cut in the case on the bottom edge of all of them, which apparently is standard practice with US imports into the UK. The cassettes themselves are not effected (the cases could be replaced for example). I also have spare copies of the following CD singles: 'A Time for Heroes' 'Limited World Tour Edition' (Still in the wrapping) Any offers? I'm particularly looking for any of the following CD singles: I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You Alexander Square Midwinter Night Cat Scan Optical Race Marakesh Das Madchen auf der Treppe ('97 Remix) Tyranny of Beauty Multimedia Kit From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 6:29 pm Subject: Expanding TD's Fan Base Morgan, if TD put a more concerted marketing effort such as you described, I'm sure TD would expand their fan base, reaching people who have never heard their music before, but who have seen their name before in those new age bins. I first got interested in new age music [ Yanni, etc.], which exposed me to TD's name. Because I was exploring new age artists, I ventured to give TD a try. My first TD buy was Turn Of The Tides. I really enjoyed 'Firetongues' on TOTT and I thought the CD on the whole was atleast well enough to give them another try with The Private Music Of. After hearing it I fell in love with 'Roaring Of The Bliss', 'Dolls In The Shadow', 'Electric Lion',' Too Hot For My Chinchilla' and I liked 'Melrose' too. But I believe it was Tournado soon afterwards that got me hooked. It's probably my third favorite TD release behind the mighty Pergamon [ Right, Heiko! :-) ] and Ricochet. Unlike yourself I like alot but not all of TD's music from all three decades. Nothing pre 74' though. BTW, Marcel, I'll admit Tangram is good [I have two copies of it ] and in a similar vein as Pergamon, but I found it to have a few weak parts in it that just didn't wash for me. Whereas, with Pergamon the only weak part, if there is one, I would say would be the piano intro, which isn't that bad either. I just feel it is more solid all the way through versus Tangram. Ricochet is another one that I found to be solid. Right off hand, I can't think of any bad parts in it. Too bad it's not even 36 minutes long :-( On deck for today's listens we have 'Ether' [again :-)], and Ramp's 'Nodular', again too :-) HEL-LO! NP's Robert Fox's 'A Gathering Of Spirits' and Code Indigo's ' Live At Duisburg' Frank Arellano [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23787 Re: Expanding TD's Fan Base Craig Chambers Thu 8/31/2000 2 KB 23790 Re: Expanding TD's Fan Base Feldon Feldon Thu 8/31/2000 2 KB 23801 Re: Expanding TD's Fan Base Marcel Engels Fri 9/1/2000 2 KB 23791 Re: Expanding TD's Fan Base Feldon Feldon Thu 8/31/2000 2 KB 23807 Re: Expanding TD's Fan Base j.gordon Fri 9/1/2000 2 KB 23812 Re: Expanding TD's Fan Base Craig Chambers Fri 9/1/2000 2 KB 23820 Re: Expanding TD's Fan Base Joe Shoults Fri 9/1/2000 4 KB 23822 Re: Expanding TD's Fan Base Joe Shoults Fri 9/1/2000 5 KB From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 5:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base Is anybody else bothered by these intrusive banner ads that are at the top of every message now?? This is driving me nuts...almost reason enough to leave the list, IMO. Craig 'Just looking for something to bitch about' Chambers From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 6:50 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base >Is anybody else bothered by these intrusive banner ads that are at the top >of every message now?? This is driving me nuts...almost reason enough to >leave the list, IMO. > >Craig 'Just looking for something to bitch about' Chambers The new top ads are a hot topic among eGroups listowners. Many are movings their lists to other services. Personally I will move lists to topica.com which seem to be a good alternative. Tadream listowner should consider a move too. Egroups are not the only list service on the net..... glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23803 SV: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base Glenn Folkvord Fri 9/1/2000 2 KB 23815 SV: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base Glenn Folkvord Fri 9/1/2000 2 KB 23909 OT: Annoying banner ads & list servers PENFOLD Sun 9/10/2000 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 7 letters from tibet Hey folks, I guess I will weigh in with my comments on Seven Letters from Tibet. Or should I say, Seven Bridges of Tibet. Where TD of days gone past was droning, wonderful sequences, with dramatic turns and mood changes, interceded with 1-2 minute bridges, giving us time to take our breath, 7 Letters from Tibet consists ENTIRELY of these melodic string and chord bridges. It's 7 tracks of directionless stringyness. If you like this, then buy it! If you are looking for any sequencing whatsoever, grab Antique Dreams or another artist. As a New Age atmospheric album (devoid of any environmental sounds--granted) it's decent. As a TD album, it's abysmal. Try before you buy folks! Morgan ___________________________________________________________ Get a sneak preview of the new MSN: http://preview.msn.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23792 Re: 7 letters from tibet Jared White Thu 8/31/2000 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 8:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base >From: 'Frank Arellano' > > BTW, Marcel, I'll admit Tangram is good [I have two copies of it ] >and in a similar vein as Pergamon, but I found it to have a few weak parts >in it that just didn't wash for me. Whereas, with Pergamon the only weak >part, if there is one, I would say would be the piano intro, which isn't >that bad either. The reason you find the piano solo so weak is that it is so heavily edited. Johannes played incredible piano solos through 1980 and 1981 that lasted 3-4 minutes. And the one on Pergamon is snipped short. Morgan ___________________________________________________________ Get a sneak preview of the new MSN: http://preview.msn.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23801 Re: Expanding TD's Fan Base Marcel Engels Fri 9/1/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 8:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base >From: 'Craig Chambers' > >Is anybody else bothered by these intrusive banner ads that are at the top >of every message now?? This is driving me nuts...almost reason enough to >leave the list, IMO. These banners are stupid and I too disagree with them. They should revert back to the bottom of the message. Also, the dumb eGroups banner is silly. As If I don't have enough sense to type egroups.com Morgan ___________________________________________________________ Get a sneak preview of the new MSN: http://preview.msn.com/ From: Jared White Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 9:35 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 7 letters from tibet Sounds great -- it's about time TD did something different. Jared P. S. Maybe a TD album *is* a 'New Age atmospheric album' at this point in time. Who's to say otherwise? TD *is* still around making *new* music, you know. Or had you forgotten.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] > > Hey folks, > > I guess I will weigh in with my comments on Seven Letters from Tibet. Or > should I say, Seven Bridges of Tibet. > > Where TD of days gone past was droning, wonderful sequences, with > dramatic > turns and mood changes, interceded with 1-2 minute bridges, > giving us time > to take our breath, 7 Letters from Tibet consists ENTIRELY of > these melodic > string and chord bridges. It's 7 tracks of directionless > stringyness. If you > like this, then buy it! If you are looking for any sequencing whatsoever, > grab Antique Dreams or another artist. > > As a New Age atmospheric album (devoid of any environmental > sounds--granted) > it's decent. As a TD album, it's abysmal. > > Try before you buy folks! From: Jared White Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 9:54 pm Subject: Le Parc samples.... Hi, folks, Listening to Le Parc the other day, I noticed a few samples that I've heard by at least one other artist just recently, and I was wondering something -- does anyone have any idea where TD could have gotten those samples, or did TD make them and they somehow got leaked into the public domain or some sample library? Also, judging from soundclips I've heard on the Web, Jerome used the big 'deoww' sound from Zen Garden on his 'Rocky Mountain Hawk' piece on the Canyon Dreams soundtrack from TDI. I guess that means that whatever sampler/sample library TD was using in 1985 was usable by TD in the early 90's. Interesting. Just trying to stir up some conversation.... Jared P. S. I'd just LO-O-O-O-O-O-VE to go to 'TDJ Rome's' bash in Germany, but it's a bit far from California, USA. I hope there's someone here planning to go who can give us all the juicy details! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23798 Re: Le Parc samples.... Greg Fri 9/1/2000 3 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 10:07 pm Subject: Oke-2001 Details - April 20-24, 2001 Dear Tangerine Dreams Fans, I have just made reservations for our second annual Okefenokee TD fan trip! First of all, I welcome back MARCEL ENGELS (Free System Projekt) and DAVID BREWER and I invite any other EM musician to this event that is willing to experiment with electronic SWAMP music. Our definition of this type of music is on the CD-R/CD. Contact me if you need information on getting a promo copy. The date is: April 20 to April 24, 2001 The place is: Steven Foster State Park Fargo, Georgia USA The Okefenokee Swamp is in southern Georgia near Florida (check your atlas) How to get there: Fly to Atlanta, Orlando, or Jacksonville. Fans that fly (or drive) to Atlanta can attend a pre-party at my house and then we can form a convoy to The Swamp. Note: You must be in the park by 7PM, because we get 'locked in' for the night. I have two cottages reserved that will sleep 16 people total. If I get a quick response and we book the 16 places, then I may be able to reserve another cottage or two - but this must be done quickly. April is prime-time for The Swamp since it is not too hot or humid and there are few bugs around - plus it's Spring! Anyway - you MUST send me a $20 deposit per person for you to be on the attendee list. I have already paid for the reservations and it is only fair to me that you commit and pay up if you are planning to join us. There are also campsites and recreation vehicle (RV) hookups if you choose that option. What is this all about? Well, this event was inspired by the TD song off of Stratosfear '3AM at the Border of the Marsh from Okefenokee'. We had a lot of support for our first event (last year in April 2000), but only 6 fans showed up. In any case, we had a fantastic time. Marcel Engels (from Holland) and David Brewer (from Arizona) recorded some original improvised EM and we have a CD-R (and shortly a CD) to document this fantastic experience. We rented boats and canoes to explore the Swamp and see the wonderful wildlife which consisted of alligators, birds, frogs, and deer (we even saw a bear). Anyway, this is a safe place, but we hope the adventurous TD fan (and spouse) will join us. We also hope that Edgar and Jerome will show up - you never know? :-) In addition, we will have some fun raffling off rare TD items. Last year it was a blast and I just can't forget the 'Jellyfish Sting' sound. It was amazing how six TD fans in the Swamp could make such an impact -- You had to be there and I wish you will (be there) in 2001! Vic From: Vic Rek Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 10:50 pm Subject: Oke-2001 Site Check it out! http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee/pictures.htm Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23802 Re: Oke-2001 Site Kees Fri 9/1/2000 2 KB From: aoutland@a... Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 11:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD in Hall of Fame? In a message dated 08/28/2000 3:09:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, joes@f... writes: << I know a couple of people whose ear I might be able to bend about an EM-oriented feature, but how likely do you think that would be? (doubtful) ...but then again, they seem to be running out of idea for exhibits there... Joe >> Well, we're about 300 strong on this list, right? give or take. That may not sound like a lot, but other things have been accomplished by fewer. Look what we did to that muze.com poll about a year ago. What do you think would help move these people? An electronic petition: everybody email the organization with a request that they spot light Tangerine Dream? or snail mail letters? What do you think? 8-) Dell From: jupe Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 11:20 pm Subject: Ultimate Charts 82 George Michael 86 Tangerine Dream http://www.ultimatecharts.com/topartists.asp Regards , Jupe http://pagina.de/tangerinedream Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23808 Re: Ultimate Charts j.gordon Fri 9/1/2000 2 KB 23814 Re: Ultimate Charts jupe Fri 9/1/2000 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 12:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Le Parc samples.... Well in my opinion, if you listen to Great Wall of China, there seems to be quite a few 'retro' sounds used. Particualrly the Antarktis metallic twangy sounds also used on Optical Race as well. I was confused for a great while with that album, because it seems to use the largest range of synths and variance in sounds which I have not really heard in any album. As far as Le Parc, some of the sounds are presets, and being prests, can end up in later synths through samples and emulations. In fact I'd go so far as to say that the synth maker might mix in some older presets along with newer ones. I mean if it was a Korg preset back then it could be on a modern Korg today considering the large sound banks these things have now. I doubt they would sample their own recorded material for sounds but there is always the possibility of them dragging the old synth out, but highly unlikely due to their studio setup and need to interface with modern computers. Greg H. > Hi, folks, > > Listening to Le Parc the other day, I noticed a few samples that I've heard > by at least one other artist just recently, and I was wondering something -- > does anyone have any idea where TD could have gotten those samples, or did > TD make them and they somehow got leaked into the public domain or some > sample library? Also, judging from soundclips I've heard on the Web, Jerome > used the big 'deoww' sound from Zen Garden on his 'Rocky Mountain Hawk' > piece on the Canyon Dreams soundtrack from TDI. I guess that means that > whatever sampler/sample library TD was using in 1985 was usable by TD in the > early 90's. Interesting. > > Just trying to stir up some conversation.... > > Jared From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 2:53 am Subject: Re: million TD fan chant As for how archive releases should be released, I think there's two bands already doing a fine job of it--King Crimson and the Grateful Dead. One release every two months comes out of the King Crimson collectors club--which works quite well for the recipient if you don't mind paying 96USD plus tax up front. You can turn down releases before they arrive as there is plenty of warning of what the forthcoming releases will be and the types of source/potential sound quality--e.g. FM radio, soundboard, bootleg.... try here to see what I mean: http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/news/club.htm In a way, though I prefer how the grateful dead has been releasing the Dicks Picks series where mailorder releases come out (18 releases since 1993) with one, two, three, or four CDs in each release--sometimes part of a concert, a whole concert, parts of a couple of concerts or parts of nights at the same venue within the same concert run. Sometimes there are even hidden tracks.... The prices on these shows are reasonable--with 3CD sets selling for 18USD and 4 CD sets for 22.50USD before shipping. Then after a series of six releases come out, a special lower price e.g. 99USD is set for say dicks picks 1 thru 6 or 7 thru 12. That way those that must have everything as soon as possible can get them. Those that would prefer to pick and choose can. And those that prefer to buy it for less at say a later date as part of a larger set can do that as well. See: http://www.dead.net/merchandising/music/grateful_dead/Dicks_Picks_5/index.html And the material has been coming out for general release at the usual storefronts albeit more slowly. I think the first 12 Dicks Picks are available in stores now. My apologies if the direct links don't work for you. --teiwaz _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 3:22 am Subject: Re: 7 letters from tibet In a message dated 8/31/00 4:09:39 PM, feldon23@h... writes: >As a New Age atmospheric album (devoid of any environmental sounds--granted) >it's decent. As a TD album, it's abysmal. I see what you mean, but phrasing makes a difference here. The artist is the one who defines the art. It's a TD album if Edgar says it is. If he had a sudden change of heart and released a big-band jazz album under the TD name, it'd be completely valid--it isn't up to us to decide. --Daniel From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 5:06 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] > > >From: 'Frank Arellano' > > > > BTW, Marcel, I'll admit Tangram is good [I have two copies of it ] > >and in a similar vein as Pergamon, but I found it to have a few > weak parts > >in it that just didn't wash for me. Whereas, with Pergamon the only weak > >part, if there is one, I would say would be the piano intro, which isn't > >that bad either. > > The reason you find the piano solo so weak is that it is so > heavily edited. > Johannes played incredible piano solos through 1980 and 1981 that > lasted 3-4 > minutes. And the one on Pergamon is snipped short. I love the piano in Pergamon... For me Tangram is much stronger then Pergamon, there are more hooks and suprises. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee mengels@w... From: Kees Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 10:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Oke-2001 Site At 18:50 31-8-00 -0400, you wrote: Check it out! >http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee/pictures.htm > >Vic Hi VIc, Very nice pictures. Especially 'Afternoon concert.' Looks like Dave is reading a manual and Marcel is waiting for that. :-) All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 10:19 am Subject: SV: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base >>Is anybody else bothered by these intrusive banner ads that are at the top >>of every message now?? This is driving me nuts...almost reason enough to >>leave the list, IMO. > >These banners are stupid and I too disagree with them. They should revert >back to the bottom of the message. Also, the dumb eGroups banner is silly. >As If I don't have enough sense to type egroups.com > >Morgan The ad banners will most likely not revert back to the bottom. They have been placed at the top after experiments and studies that show no decline in messages or groups. Plus, Yahoo has now taken eGroups over so soon you'll all be part of Yahoo unless the list is hosted somewhere else. I can give the listowner all the alternatives he want. glenn From: 'Manuel Marino' Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 11:03 am Subject: Off Topic - I'm featured at www.mp3mania.it!!! Off Topic - I'm featured at www.mp3mania.it!!! _________________________________ Manuel 'Vanethian' Marino --> http://www.mp3.com/Vanethian _________________________________________________ Best electronic, space, horror and fantasy music: Fright Night Horror Radio Station --> http://www.mp3.com/stations/fright_night Galaxy Channel 7 Radio Station --> http://www.mp3.com/stations/galaxy_channel_7 Galaxy Channel 8 Radio Station --> http://www.mp3.com/stations/galaxy_channel_8 Galaxy Channel 9 Radio Station --> http://www.mp3.com/stations/galaxy_channel_9 ---------------------------------------------------- Join *The New Music Frontier* Free Email Group! http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/TheNewMusicFrontier ---------------------------------------------------- From: Glynn Naughton Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 11:59 am Subject: Schulze stuff >Hello everyone, > >I've been mostly silent since early this year because it's been a very busy year for >me.Remember when I asked for your recommendations about what to hear from KS? As I >said before, I already had a Royal Festival Hall Vol.1 CDR, but that's not really a >good start. So, in the middle of July I ordered X at my local store, and it would >take 45-60 days to arrive (Europe (or German?) catalogue). I thought it would arrive >early September, but for my surprise it has just arrived. I had a preview of it last >weekend when I found Ludwig II on Naspresters, and later when Zoltan from the >#tadream IRC channel sent the first half of it in 56 kb MP3 because I had only gotten >the first minute of it. > >Now I'm finally playing Ludwig II in full CD quality for the first time after playing >the first CD from the album. I'd like to thank all of you whi helped me picking >perhaps the best (real) introduction to Schulze! > >(now what should be the next step? timewindmoondawnd'whateverpolandaudentitymirage... >what a huge discography. > >Regards, >Jobim > >Gustavo Jobim (gustavfj@m...) MOKSVKWJMJTDPGITQR. Received wisdom has it that Schulze's classic years were the 70s, but I've never gone along with this. I don't give a fig for _X_, _Timewind_ and the like, which I reckon are crude. For what it's worth, my favourite era is the late 80s to now. _En=Trance_ from 1988 is sensational, although the Fairlight orchestra hits sound a bit dated now. There's a track on here, 'A-Numerique', with marvellous basslines and a HUGE ending that will blast the wax out of your ears! Then try _Beyond Recall_ from 1991. Standout here is 'Brave Old Sequence', and 'Gringo Nero' marks the beginning of the infamous 'You mean that's it?' period. The sampling on this track is totally overdone but great fun: a combination of jungle and porno film sounds. _In Blue_ from 1994 is more or less universally regarded as a classic, as is _Are You Sequenced?_ from 1996. 'Moldanya' is an almost unbearably gorgeous pseudo-orchestral passage, yet it blends seamlessly with driving THUD THUD THUD sections. (One characteristic of both Schulze and TD: they can integrate delicate, swirly passages with high-energy driving rock beats and the combination isn't jarring.) I was at the _AYS_ concert and my only criticisim of the CD is that it finishes too early. The concert had a stunning, ultra-sombre, ultra-minor-key ending, but the CD fades out about four minutes too soon. The first time I heard it, I remember blurting out 'Where's the £$'£% ending??'. Fortunately, I happened to have a running tape recorder on my lap during the show (how did that get there?) and so preserved this ending for posterity... Then, for a laugh, try 1997's _Dosburg Online_, in which a po-faced operatic tenor sings ludicrous country 'n' western lyrics ('My grandpa worked his fingers to the bone') over gloriously inappropriate Schulzian synthesiser swirls. Just my 2 cents... Glynn KS in-joke: Question: If the Village People made a Klaus Schulze tribute song, what would it be called? Answer: YMTI Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23806 Re: Schulze stuff Bert.Hulshoff@N... Fri 9/1/2000 6 KB 23811 Re: Schulze stuff Craig Chambers Fri 9/1/2000 2 KB 23827 (InBlue) Re: Schulze stuff Gustavo Jobim Sun 9/3/2000 2 KB 23826 Re: Schulze stuff Gustavo Jobim Sun 9/3/2000 3 KB From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 12:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Schulze stuff Well Gustavo, X is IMHO a good start, But my fav's are : Moondawn Mirage Entrance In Blue Are You Sequenced Glynn mentioned Dosburg On Line, it has some beautiful parts. and my choice for a experiment try Totentag Schulze's Opera. Greetings Bert aka Phrozenlight listen to my own space songs ;-) and please send me an review. Homepage http://artists.traxinspace.com/phrozenlight or http://phrozenlight.da.ru > ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> > > >Hello everyone, > > > >I've been mostly silent since early this year because it's been a very > busy > year for >me.Remember when I asked for your recommendations about what to > hear from KS? As I >said before, I already had a Royal Festival Hall Vol.1 > CDR, but that's not really a >good start. So, in the middle of July I > ordered X at my local store, and it would >take 45-60 days to arrive > (Europe > (or German?) catalogue). I thought it would arrive >early September, but > for > my surprise it has just arrived. I had a preview of it last >weekend when > I > found Ludwig II on Naspresters, and later when Zoltan from the >#tadream > IRC > channel sent the first half of it in 56 kb MP3 because I had only gotten > >the first minute of it. > > > >Now I'm finally playing Ludwig II in full CD quality for the first time > after playing >the first CD from the album. I'd like to thank all of you > whi > helped me picking >perhaps the best (real) introduction to Schulze! > > > >(now what should be the next step? > timewindmoondawnd'whateverpolandaudentitymirage... >what a huge > discography. > > > >Regards, > >Jobim > > > >Gustavo Jobim (gustavfj@m...) MOKSVKWJMJTDPGITQR. > > Received wisdom has it that Schulze's classic years were the 70s, but I've > never gone along with this. I don't give a fig for _X_, _Timewind_ and the > like, which I reckon are crude. > > For what it's worth, my favourite era is the late 80s to now. _En=Trance_ > from 1988 is sensational, although the Fairlight orchestra hits sound a > bit > dated now. There's a track on here, 'A-Numerique', with marvellous > basslines > and a HUGE ending that will blast the wax out of your ears! Then try > _Beyond > Recall_ from 1991. Standout here is 'Brave Old Sequence', and 'Gringo > Nero' > marks the beginning of the infamous 'You mean that's it?' period. The > sampling on this track is totally overdone but great fun: a combination of > jungle and porno film sounds. _In Blue_ from 1994 is more or less > universally regarded as a classic, as is _Are You Sequenced?_ from 1996. > 'Moldanya' is an almost unbearably gorgeous pseudo-orchestral passage, yet > it blends seamlessly with driving THUD THUD THUD sections. (One > characteristic of both Schulze and TD: they can integrate delicate, swirly > passages with high-energy driving rock beats and the combination isn't > jarring.) I was at the _AYS_ concert and my only criticisim of the CD is > that it finishes too early. The concert had a stunning, ultra-sombre, > ultra-minor-key ending, but the CD fades out about four minutes too soon. > The first time I heard it, I remember blurting out 'Where's the £$'£% > ending??'. Fortunately, I happened to have a running tape recorder on my > lap > during the show (how did that get there?) and so preserved this ending for > posterity... > > Then, for a laugh, try 1997's _Dosburg Online_, in which a po-faced > operatic > tenor sings ludicrous country 'n' western lyrics ('My grandpa worked his > fingers to the bone') over gloriously inappropriate Schulzian synthesiser > swirls. > > Just my 2 cents... > > Glynn > > > KS in-joke: > > Question: If the Village People made a Klaus Schulze tribute song, what > would it be called? > Answer: YMTI > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 12:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base > >>Is anybody else bothered by these intrusive banner ads that are at the top > >>of every message now?? This is driving me nuts...almost reason enough to > >>leave the list, IMO. ME!!! it's driving me wacky... down the the top ads...! j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'j.gordon' Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 12:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ultimate Charts --- jupe wrote: > > 82 George Michael > 86 Tangerine Dream > > http://www.ultimatecharts.com/topartists.asp i just checked... Tangerine Dream was 38!!! beating out ol' Frank Sin... man, that says something... ...like there ain't many fans voting for Frank... =) j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: Joel Mullen Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 1:24 pm Subject: This works to remove the ads from egroups messages!!!!! Hello all, I saw this on another egroups list and tried it out-- This little download works great to remove the ads in the e-groups messages (or any other messages for that matter) It only works with Outlook though. It is highly configurable so that you can have it search for key words, phrases etc. and eliminate text. I set it up to look for the first line of the egroups ads (all their recent ads have the same first and last lines) ------ I will eventually have it eliminating the annoying Yahoo and Hotmail adders too. A cool feature is that it works as you open the message so that even OLD messages will have the ads eliminated when you open them up. It can really clean up the crap in predictably formatted adders. I know it won't work for everbody, but if you use Outlook it is well worth it (being free and all) This is a 1.18 MB download. http://www.gofree.co.uk/home/rich/trimmer/trimmer.html Good luck! Regards, Joel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23810 Re: This works to remove the ads from egroups mes Joel Mullen Fri 9/1/2000 2 KB From: Joel Mullen Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 1:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] This works to remove the ads from egroups messages!!!!! This is a test (so far so good!) BTW I also set it up to remove all the adders that listowners add to the bottom of messages that, while helpful for a new member, tend to just junk things up after a while. (i.e. info on unsubscribing or links to list websites that I already have bookmarked etc, etc) This is not a permanant fix, as egroups changes their ad format from time to time it will require some adjustment but the process is very simple. Regards, Joel From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 1:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Schulze stuff Gustavo! Get 'In Blue'...don't ask, just get it! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23827 (InBlue) Re: Schulze stuff Gustavo Jobim Sun 9/3/2000 2 KB From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 1:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base > > The ad banners will most likely not revert back to the bottom. They have > been placed at the top after experiments and studies that show no decline in > messages or groups. Plus, Yahoo has now taken eGroups over so soon you'll > all be part of Yahoo unless the list is hosted somewhere else. I can give > the listowner all the alternatives he want. > > glenn Glenn, Please give us alternatives...I will dump this list in a heartbeat if I think even have the community is going elsewhere. This just plain sux...I do not need, nor will I tolerate flashing 'bull'seye' bullshit wanker ads at the top of every message...the ads were bad enough at the bottom, where I could casually ignore them...now they are nothing short of a pain in my retina. From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 1:00 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Those irritating banners Hi all, Oh, I agree, I sent a message yesterday and the last paragraph was cut off because of these stupid banners! I'm all for changing the service, it's the same on Goblin's Club. Anyway, if you refer to my previous message offering cassettes and 'Time for Heroes', this is what should have been at the end: But if you can't offer any of these, then I'm also looking for any of the following films on VHS video (originals only please): Forbidden/Versteckt Legend (US version with TD of course) Miracle Mile Rainbow Drive Red Nights (if it exists on video?) Strange Behaviour/Dead Kids/Small Town Massacre/Human Experiments The Man Inside The Switch (if it exists on video?) Three O'Clock High Tonight's the Night/The Game of Love (if it exists on video?) Zoning From: jupe Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 4:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ultimate Charts All Tangerine Dream Spanish list TDfans are voting .......... Regards , Jupe http://pagina.de/tangerinedream En/Na 'j.gordon' ha escrit: > > --- jupe wrote: > > > > 82 George Michael > > 86 Tangerine Dream > > > > http://www.ultimatecharts.com/topartists.asp > > i just checked... > > Tangerine Dream was 38!!! beating out ol' Frank Sin... man, that says > something... > > ...like there ain't many fans voting for Frank... =) > > j.gordon > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 5:19 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base Craig, >Please give us alternatives www.egroups.com www.topica.com (heard alot of good about this one) www.globelists.com www.milomail.com www.smiling.net www.listbot.com http://www.list.to/index.html (VPmail) www.smartgroups.com (heard alot of good about this one) www.listhost.com (pay service, but hosts free through Topica) www.coollist.com www.wildabout.com I have only tested Topica and Smartgroups and it seems that SG is what many people prefer in terms of functionality. I dont know how they all enforce ads but I think most of them (except eGroups) have ads at the bottom. Then there are always the possibility of Majordomo if someone has a server and some time. Good luck! Glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23909 OT: Annoying banner ads & list servers PENFOLD Sun 9/10/2000 3 KB From: 'twosheds' Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 5:25 pm Subject: Re: TD in Hall of Fame? > Well, we're about 300 strong on this list, right? give or take. That may >not sound like a lot, but other things have been accomplished by fewer. Look >what we did to that muze.com poll about a year ago. What do you think would >help move these people? An electronic petition: everybody email the >organization with a request that they spot light Tangerine Dream? or snail >mail letters? What do you think? 8-) Dell Remember a few years ago, when they announced four US tour dates? I was trying to organize some people to hang out outside the venues to gather signatures on a petition to get them actually inducted into the hall, but when the tour fell apart, so did the petition plans. But if we do start a letter-writing campaign, it should be snail mail. E-mail is nice, but I think knowing that people would take the time and trouble to compose an actual letter would have more impact. I hereby nominte YOU to write a draft we could all print out and sign. :-) Scott From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 6:29 pm Subject: eGoups ads (was Re: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base) Craig Chambers wrote: > > Please give us alternatives...I will dump this list in a heartbeat if I > think even have the community is going elsewhere. This just plain sux...I > do not need, nor will I tolerate flashing 'bull'seye' bullshit wanker ads at > the top of every message...the ads were bad enough at the bottom, where I > could casually ignore them...now they are nothing short of a pain in my > retina. Hi Craig, Try to change your eGroups preferences to receive plain text mail. It will take the graphics away. You would receive just this instead of an animated banner: It works for me... Regards, Jorge Figueiredo Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23819 eGoups ads (was Re: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Jorge Figueiredo Fri 9/1/2000 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 6:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] A Tangerine Dream Dream yeah, what a rip! not smart for them, either- I would have probably played a lot worse if I were drunk! > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Moore [mailto:moxica@m...] ... > Ah, but in the US, the drinks in Casino's are free... haha! > > > I think it came to something like $260US, but with all the > $10 drinks I'm From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 6:39 pm Subject: eGoups ads (was Re: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base) Craig Chambers wrote: > > Please give us alternatives...I will dump this list in a heartbeat if I > think even have the community is going elsewhere. This just plain sux...I > do not need, nor will I tolerate flashing 'bull'seye' bullshit wanker ads at > the top of every message...the ads were bad enough at the bottom, where I > could casually ignore them...now they are nothing short of a pain in my > retina. Hi Craig (again), And now they treat pasted text as attachments and cut it out of the messages. :-( I will try again to paste the banner in text mode (if I can get it through this time). This are the ads as i get them: Regards, Jorge Figueiredo From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 7:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base Craig and all- Believe me, I HATE these ads. I can have them removed for something like $60/year, but there are some new developments that may make it unneccesary: If I can convince my network admin to allow me to host the list on our server here at work, we can use a program called O'Reilly WebBoard to do it. Among its features are the ability to read posts in either e-mail OR newsgroup-style format, as well as being searchable and having IRC and chat cpapbilities. more info at http://webboard.oreilly.com if you're interested, but this is not a done deal yet, so please hold tight. I might just pay to have the ads removed... Thanks, Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:05 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > -------------------------~-~> > Special Offer-Earn 300 Points from MyPoints.com for trying @Backup > Get automatic protection and access to your important computer files. > Install today: > http://click.egroups.com/1/6347/6/_/24785/_/967746987/ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------_-> > > Is anybody else bothered by these intrusive banner ads that > are at the top > of every message now?? This is driving me nuts...almost > reason enough to > leave the list, IMO. > > Craig 'Just looking for something to bitch about' Chambers > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 7:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD in Hall of Fame? well, the way they do their exhibits is usually not on one group or artist, with the only exception I can think of being the Elvis exhibit last year, but usually on a genre, or era. Like they did the psychedelic exhibit, recently a hip-hop one, now a 50's one, etc. IT would certainly have to be an EM exhibit, but I can imagine exhibiting a theremin, and whole sections on people like Stockhausen, Carlos, TD, etc. Speaking of whaich, does anyone remember the name of the Japanese artist (he must be an old man by now) that was a pioneer, like Stockhausen, back in the 50's? If I recall correctly, he did an interactive exhibit at MOMA in New york last year with a bunch of video screens as human heads... I know that's kind of obscure..?? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: aoutland@a... [mailto:aoutland@a...] > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 7:19 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] TD in Hall of Fame? > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > -------------------------~-~> > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates > of 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Ongoing APR* and no annual fee! > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/7872/6/_/24785/_/967763911/ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------_-> > > In a message dated 08/28/2000 3:09:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > joes@f... writes: > > << I know a couple of people whose ear I might be able to bend about > an EM-oriented feature, but how likely do you think that would be? > (doubtful) > > ...but then again, they seem to be running out of idea for > exhibits there... > > Joe >> > > Well, we're about 300 strong on this list, right? give or > take. That may > not sound like a lot, but other things have been accomplished > by fewer. Look > what we did to that muze.com poll about a year ago. What do > you think would > help move these people? An electronic petition: everybody email the > organization with a request that they spot light Tangerine > Dream? or snail > mail letters? What do you think? 8-) Dell > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 7:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base I just looked at their website, and they're doing a muddy waters exhibit now... so maybe it's not completely out of the querstion. but Muddy Waters prrrrrobably has more draw potential than TD in the public eye... ya think? > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...] > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 3:03 PM > To: 'tadream@egroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > -------------------------~-~> > Free @Backup service! Click here for your free trial of @Backup. > @Backup is the most convenient way to securely protect and access > your files online. Try it now and receive 300 MyPoints. > http://click.egroups.com/1/6348/6/_/24785/_/967834164/ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------_-> > > Craig and all- > > Believe me, I HATE these ads. I can have them removed for > something like > $60/year, but there are some new developments that may make > it unneccesary: > If I can convince my network admin to allow me to host the list on our > server here at work, we can use a program called O'Reilly > WebBoard to do it. > Among its features are the ability to read posts in either e-mail OR > newsgroup-style format, as well as being searchable and > having IRC and chat > cpapbilities. more info at http://webboard.oreilly.com if you're > interested, but this is not a done deal yet, so please hold > tight. I might > just pay to have the ads removed... > > Thanks, > Joe > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Craig Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:05 PM > > To: tadream@egroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Expanding TD's Fan Base > > > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > -------------------------~-~> > > Special Offer-Earn 300 Points from MyPoints.com for trying @Backup > > Get automatic protection and access to your important > computer files. > > Install today: > > http://click.egroups.com/1/6347/6/_/24785/_/967746987/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------_-> > > > > Is anybody else bothered by these intrusive banner ads that > > are at the top > > of every message now?? This is driving me nuts...almost > > reason enough to > > leave the list, IMO. > > > > Craig 'Just looking for something to bitch about' Chambers > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Fri Sep 1, 2000 11:23 pm Subject: The Tibetan Letters That Number 7... Well, I had this preordered from Amazon and just got it yesterday as I was getting ready to head out of town. (I'm not home right now, but at a friend's place in Cottonwood AZ, but I digress...) My first impressions is that this is a pretty good TD album, and a very good album to relax to. Some of the music doesn't move me much, but some of it really gets my attention. A lot of it is from the sounds that I don't think I've heard them use before. And it's interesting that the second part of track 5 was heard as Lhasa on the Quinoa CD (I guess this is the Tibetan Cycle that was mentioned there). But this isn't why I've come out of lurk mode... I'm listening to it right now, and was looking at the liner notes. I saw that track 3 was called The Sun and the Golden Heart on the inside cover. What? I thought it was just called The Golden Heart on the web page. I look on the back of the case and it agrees with the web page. What the?? Then I check the other titles. Track 5 is called The Long Distance Blue on the inside, and The Blue Pearl on the back. And track 7 is called The Purple of the Last Curtain on the inside, and The Purple of All Curtains on the back. It looks like the back cover agrees with the web page, so where did those 3 alternate titles come from? I just think it's interesting. We've seen typos on TDI releases before, but these don't seem like typos. Maybe the layout people got confused and used working titles on a couple of them. I dunno. I'll shut up now and go back to vacationing. Dave B. np: Three and Four Correspondences from Tibet, by Imaginary Citrus :-) From: 'Manuel Marino' Date: Sat Sep 2, 2000 8:09 am Subject: [OT] X-ctivity Factor music in an horror film of a famous director! X-ctivity Factor, a new italian band which creates Goblin atmospheres (Dario Argento's horror films soundtracks), will compose the soundtrack of a new horror film that will be on theatres in Summer 2001! Stay tuned! New infos in the next weeks! here's the link: * X-ctivity Factor * http://www.mp3.com/XF From: Kees Date: Sat Sep 2, 2000 2:31 pm Subject: Only EIGHT days and then it's E-Live 2000 in the Netherlands Hi Folks, Only 8 days and then it's the 3th E-Live festival. Sunday, September 10 it's E-Live 2000 in 'De Schalm', Veldhoven, the Netherlands. Ticket sales start at 10:00. Burgerhal opens at 10:30 and De Schalm opens at 11:30. Performing artists are: STEVE ROACH (U.S.A.) COSMIC HOFFMANN with STEPHEN PARSICK (Germany) IAN BODDY with NIGEL MULLANEY & MARKUS REUTER (U.K.) ELEKTRONISCHE MASCHINE (Netherlands) LAMBERT (RINGLAGE) & HARDY (Germany) FREE SYSTEM PROJEKT with RUUD HEY (Netherlands) Also several booths with CD's, a raffle and in the real movie theatre we will show the movie BLADE RUNNER (music by Vangelis). You also have the chance to meet several (famous) artists and much, much more. During the day a special CD will be available with unreleased tracks from the performing artists. Price on the days is 25 guilders! Prices (box-office): 47,50 guilders for adults 30,00 guilders for children till 16 years 35,00 guilders for 65+ All details about E-Live incl. artists bio, maps, times and prices can be found at: http://www.stichting-crew.nl Or you can Email to sales@s... All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Gustavo Jobim' Date: Sun Sep 3, 2000 1:09 am Subject: Re: Schulze stuff > For what it's worth, my favourite era is the late 80s to now. _En=Trance_ from 1988 is sensational, although the Fairlight orchestra hits sound a bit dated now. There's a track on here, 'A-Numerique', with marvellous basslines and a HUGE ending that will blast the wax out of your ears! Then try _Beyond Recall_ from 1991. Standout here is 'Brave Old Sequence', and 'Gringo Nero' marks the beginning of the infamous 'You mean that's it?' period. > Just my 2 cents... > > Glynn Yeah I know, I have the first 6 minutes of fm-delight that I found on napster, and it has that very nice beat probably from that period, that can be found on royal f.h. 1. it's great. And Beyond Recall was the very first schulze album I've ever heard. Actually i've heard just the first 2 minutes of Gringo Nero and the Brave Old Sequense at the local store. these two tracks put a grin on my face. But I had other things to buy back then, so i've lost the opportunity (it was at a nice price). actually, i think the first ks album i've heard was moondawn(floating), but beyond recall was the one that told me 'you gotta buy something from ks someday'. From: 'Gustavo Jobim' Date: Sun Sep 3, 2000 1:34 am Subject: (InBlue) Re: Schulze stuff --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'Craig Chambers' wrote: > Gustavo! > > Get 'In Blue'...don't ask, just get it! I'll ask: why? :) I'll buy In Blue for sure, because this seem to be regarded as a good ks album, and because the first track of the album is the first cd of the album. I'm ALWAYS attracted by superlong tracks. For example,the first TD CD i've ever heard was Pergamon, just because it had only two 25-minute tracks. And there was many other cds in the store to hear back in sept(or oct?)/99: strat, f.m., rubyc, ric., parc, and others. From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sun Sep 3, 2000 8:56 am Subject: Discussion Week 51 - Sunday 3rd September 2000 This week it is Dream Encores which comes under scrutiny. Please make your subject read 'D:Live [Dream Encores]' when posting comments and reviews. Cheers, Lawry lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Sep 3, 2000 2:01 pm Subject: 'Voices in the Dunes' for sale Hi all, a friend of mine, Ralph, still without any web access, wants to sell his paperback copy of 'Voices in the Dunes'. Anyone interested ? I saw the book myself a week ago, and it's nearly mint, just a few signs of having been used. Takers should be prepared to send DM cash in a registred letter for payment. Minimum bid is DM 50.- plus postage. Let the bids by Email come to me (closing Sept. 10), and I will get the highest bidder in direct contact with Ralph. cheers, klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-171-7338969 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sun Sep 3, 2000 8:20 pm Subject: D:Studio [Dream Encores] >From: 'Lawry Simm' > >This week it is Dream Encores which comes under scrutiny. > >Please make your subject read 'D:Live [Dream Encores]' when posting >comments and reviews. Only one of the tracks on Dream Encores brings anything new over the studio CDs. (I think it's the 1986 version of Dominion that's new) There is over 2 1/2 hours of concert encores that remain unreleased and that are absolutely wonderful material, easily worth $35 as a 2CD. In fact, Dream Encores complete lack of any must-own material prompted the bootleggers to put out a 3CD grab-bag of live encores. Bootleggers 1, TD fans 0 Morgan ___________________________________________________________ Get a sneak preview of the new MSN: http://preview.msn.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23831 Re: D:Studio [Dream Encores] Jared White Sun 9/3/2000 2 KB 23851 Re: D:Studio [Dream Encores] Glynn Naughton Wed 9/6/2000 2 KB 23835 Re: D:Studio [Dream Encores] quarlie@a... Mon 9/4/2000 3 KB 23837 Re: D:Studio [Dream Encores] Feldon Feldon Mon 9/4/2000 2 KB 23840 Re: D:Studio [Dream Encores] Jens Kilian Mon 9/4/2000 3 KB 23842 Re: D:Studio [Dream Encores] Feldon Feldon Mon 9/4/2000 2 KB From: Jared White Date: Sun Sep 3, 2000 9:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Dream Encores] ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Feldon Feldon' > Only one of the tracks on Dream Encores brings anything new over the studio > CDs. (I think it's the 1986 version of Dominion that's new) Yeah, Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal sounds just like Tangram or Dream Mixes. Sure. Jared 1, Morgan 0 Jared Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23851 Re: D:Studio [Dream Encores] Glynn Naughton Wed 9/6/2000 2 KB From: aoutland@a... Date: Sun Sep 3, 2000 10:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream]Bladerunner In a message dated 09/02/2000 10:38:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kees.a@u... writes: << we will show the movie BLADE RUNNER (music by Vangelis). >> Heads up Florida: Blade Runner will be on TV this coming Saturday at 9:30pm on the sci fi channel. I hope to be able to record it. 8-) Dell From: aoutland@a... Date: Sun Sep 3, 2000 11:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream]CD Now Warning A fellow co-worker purchased an album from CD-Now about a month ago using a debit card. Last Monday, her bank called her to tell her that her account was overdrawn and all of her checks were bouncing. Apparently, some hacker has managed to crack the security codes there. Purchase at your own risk! 8-) Dell From: Jared White Date: Mon Sep 4, 2000 1:17 am Subject: DX7 & Mars Polaris Hi, folks, I was just wondering -- did anyone notice a DX7 on stage at the Klangart concert last year? I just saw some photos on the Web recently of the concert, and I plainly saw Yamaha DX7 painted on the back of one of TD's keyboards. Unless they re-painted their Korg Trinity or something, they're still using the DX7. Anyone have any guesses what sound(s) in the show/on Mars Polaris could have been made with it? Take care, Jared Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23836 Re: DX7 & Mars Polaris Gabe Yedid Mon 9/4/2000 2 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon Sep 4, 2000 2:16 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Dream Encores] In a message dated 9/3/00 4:20:54 PM, feldon23@h... writes: >Only one of the tracks on Dream Encores brings anything new over the studio >CDs. (I think it's the 1986 version of Dominion that's new) Technically true, but what if I don't have whatever obscure single 'Order of the Ginger Guild' appeared on, and I don't have the Australian version of 'Goblins' Club' (which would be mostly redundant anyway, since I have the US version) and I don't have whichever single the alternate version of 'Purple Haze' came from, and so on? I don't have time to be a completist. >There is over 2 1/2 hours of concert encores that remain unreleased and >that are absolutely wonderful material, easily worth $35 as a 2CD. Also true, but that doesn't make the official release invalid. >In fact, Dream Encores complete lack of any must-own material prompted >the bootleggers to put out a 3CD grab-bag of live encores. > >Bootleggers 1, TD fans 0 I think you're being a bit harsh. Dream Encores contains several tracks that I otherwise wouldn't be able to legally and/or inexpensively obtain, so it's worth my money, at least. (Sorry if it seems like I post a rebuttal to everything you write, Morgan. No offense is intended.) --Daniel NP: Front 242--05:22:09:12 Off From: Gabe Yedid Date: Mon Sep 4, 2000 4:03 am Subject: RE: [tadream] DX7 & Mars Polaris >===== Original Message From Jared White ===== > Unless they re-painted their Korg Trinity or something, they're still >using the DX7. Anyone have any guesses what sound(s) in the show/on Mars Polaris could have been >made with it? Isn't the infamous 'Optical Race harpsichord' sound a DX7 preset patch--'Stratotro', I think I heard it called once? Gabe ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Sep 4, 2000 2:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Dream Encores] >From: Jared White > >Yeah, Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal sounds just like Tangram or Dream >Mixes. Sure. Theif Yang had been out on the special edition 3 track CD including Elanor Rigby and Das Madchen Auf Der Treppe for a year+ before Dream Encores came out. By the way, I failed to mention the NAME of the bootleg 3CD. It is called 'Real Dream Encores'. Morgan 2, Jared 0 -Morgan _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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From: 'j.gordon' Date: Mon Sep 4, 2000 9:41 am Subject: [tadream] Dream Encores vs. the contender --- Feldon Feldon wrote: > In fact, Dream Encores complete lack of any must-own material prompted the > bootleggers to put out a 3CD grab-bag of live encores. ummmm... yeah, that's true... and i've had a chance to hear R(!)DE... however, i have such a difficult time with R(!)DE because the sound quality is for the dogs... really bad on many of the tracks... so, even though DE might have redundant stuff, at least it can be listened to... whereas the other, more complete _version_ is often unlistenable... i think this is a _strength_ of having this type of material officially released... not always, but often the quality is better than can what be gleaned from a bootlegged copy... and most importantly... here we are talking about paying money for a TDI release of material like this, if only they'd release it... well, here's the chance... i can only see it as a win-win situation... okay... can somebody spare $.02? =) ciao j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Mon Sep 4, 2000 9:54 am Subject: Sorcerer 7' on ebay Hi all, please look at following page at ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=426578957 7' Single betrayal/Grind - MCA 6030513 Gt.01 , 1977 , Made in Spain , blacklabel with rainbow , mint condition bye and thank you Heiko Neumann Burg Germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jens Kilian' Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 2:35 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Dream Encores] > From: Jared White > Subject: Re: D:Studio [Dream Encores] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Feldon Feldon' > > > > Only one of the tracks on Dream Encores brings anything new over the studio > > CDs. (I think it's the 1986 version of Dominion that's new) > > Yeah, Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal sounds just like Tangram or Dream Mixes. Sure. > From: quarlie@a... > Subject: Re: D:Studio [Dream Encores] [...] > Technically true, but what if I don't have whatever obscure single 'Order of > the Ginger Guild' appeared on, 'Thief Yang...' is on the Shepherd's Bush concert CD, 'Order of...' on the 1997 European Tour CD. These are not exactly widely available. Bye, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Sep 4, 2000 11:25 am Subject: [tadream] Film discography Hi all, After months of work, the film discography has reached a stage where there is now a gallery of thumbnails showing sleeves of all the videos which Tangerine Dream have done soundtracks for (or in a few cases have contributed album music only). This list is much more complete and detailed than any lists given by Amazon.com for example or most other fan sites as far as I know. If anyone has any of the videos shown on the pages and has any more information or additions to them, including sleeve scans of different covers, catalogue numbers and most importantly details of the musical content, then they will be gratefully received of course. http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/films/cataloguethumbs/filmspage1.htm Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Sep 4, 2000 6:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: D:Studio [Dream Encores] Actually, I felt silly coughing up $21 for 17 minutes of music (The single World Tour CD with Theif Yang and Elanor Rigby), so I feel your pain on the price of piecemeal releases. Edgar has told us that this is Miramar's fault and I tend to believe him on this one... >From: quarlie@a... > >In a message dated 9/3/00 4:20:54 PM, feldon23@h... writes: > > >Only one of the tracks on Dream Encores brings anything new over the >studio > >CDs. (I think it's the 1986 version of Dominion that's new) > >Technically true, but what if I don't have whatever obscure single 'Order >of >the Ginger Guild' appeared on, and I don't have the Australian version of >'Goblins' Club' (which would be mostly redundant anyway, since I have the >US Morgan ___________________________________________________________ Get a sneak preview of the new MSN: http://preview.msn.com/ From: 'Poul Erik' Date: Mon Sep 4, 2000 9:33 pm Subject: Sv: [tadream] Film discography Hi Paul, I'm not sure from what criterias you select the movies, but I've seen a movie with Bill Cosby called something like ' Ghostdad ' which features a single tune by TD ( or maybe it was Franke !?). I don't recall which, but it's a scene where Cosby is involved in a car crash. Also I seem to remember a tune being played by TD in an episode of 'Moonlighting ' ( at least that's what I think the series was called ) starring Bruce Willis and Cybil Sheperd. Again I don't remember the name of the tune, 'coz by the time I found a videotape it was all over ( the music I mean ). And of course I don't recall the name of the episode :o( Poul > If anyone has any of the videos shown on the pages and has any more > information or additions to them, including sleeve scans of different > covers, catalogue numbers and most importantly details of the musical > content, then they will be gratefully received of course. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23845 ghostdad Michael A Jean Tue 9/5/2000 2 KB From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Mon Sep 4, 2000 10:37 pm Subject: TD UK sports programmes OK was I dreaming or did the BBC play some TD on Sunday between Motor cycle races on BBC 2 Did anyone else from here witness this ? Is this a first ? Still shocked and trying to come to terms with this . LOL Amazed and confused Carl ' Orch ' Oh and Klaus Schulze just thought I would mention the name everyone else seems to , he he he ........ ' The Song Remains the same ' From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 1:58 am Subject: RE:ghostdad The music was from Sorcerer... > -----Original Message----- > Hi Paul, > I'm not sure from what criterias you select the movies, but I've > seen a movie with Bill Cosby called something like ' Ghostdad ' > which features a single tune by TD ( or maybe it was Franke !?). > I don't recall which, but it's a scene where Cosby is involved in > a car crash. > From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Sep 4, 2000 5:28 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] Re: D:Studio [Dream Encores] 'Purple Haze' is different too. >> > Only one of the tracks on Dream Encores brings anything new over the studio >> > CDs. (I think it's the 1986 version of Dominion that's new) Paul From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 12:16 pm Subject: [tadream] Re : film discography Hi all, The film discography has now been split into two categories (which will please Klaus Beschorner for one!): Category one: Cinema and TV films/videos with complete original Tangerine Dream/Edgar Froese soundtracks or with music exclusive to this title and/or unavailable on any album. Category two: Cinema and TV films/videos which contain Tangerine Dream/Edgar Froese music, but album extracts only (or where details of the music are unknown/unconfirmed at the time of writing). If anyone knows has any information about TD music content in any of the following films, please get in touch: Das Verbotene Spiel (EF music?) Ein Fur Alle Mal Game Over Good Morning Manhattan Im Regen Nach Amerika (EF music?) Memphis PD-War on the Streets Moonlighting (album music on one episode only?) Strange Behaviour/Dead Kids/Small Town Massacre Strange Days Tempo 82 (EF music?) Tribes Under Lock and Key Undinade (original music from 1969?) Vampira (complete original music score?) Volcano Dancing Von Richtern und Anderen Sympatisanten Thanks Paul From: Joe Shoults Date: Sun Sep 3, 2000 1:58 am Subject: RE: [tangerinedream] Only EIGHT days and then it's E-Live 2000 in the Netherlands cool, Kees! is any part of it going to be webcast? -Joe -----Original Message----- From: Kees ...Hi Folks, Only 8 days and then it's the 3th E-Live festival. Sunday, September 10 it's E-Live 2000 in 'De Schalm', Veldhoven, the Netherlands. Ticket sales start at 10:00. Burgerhal opens at 10:30 and De Schalm opens at 11:30. Performing artists are: STEVE ROACH (U.S.A.) COSMIC HOFFMANN with STEPHEN PARSICK (Germany) IAN BODDY with NIGEL MULLANEY & MARKUS REUTER (U.K.) ELEKTRONISCHE MASCHINE (Netherlands) LAMBERT (RINGLAGE) & HARDY (Germany) FREE SYSTEM PROJEKT with RUUD HEY (Netherlands) Als... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23849 Re: [tangerinedream] Only EIGHT days and then it' Kees Tue 9/5/2000 2 KB From: Kees Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 9:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: [tangerinedream] Only EIGHT days and then it's E-Live 2000 in the Netherlands At 21:58 2-9-00 -0400, you wrote: >cool, Kees! is any part of it going to be webcast? Unfortunately not. We needed an ISDN line for that and that's not yet there in De Schalm. But you're hereby invited to come (as is everybody else :) All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: spawnofcthulhu@w... Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 10:08 pm Subject: sound quality of TD recordings As a Bowie collector, I know there is a debate among collectors as to which sounds better, the original RCA CDs or the Ryko discs. What about TD? Is there a consensus among collectors as to which recordings have the best sound quality? I just picked up the 2CD version of Zeit. How does it compare to the single disc version? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 11:27 am Subject: Re: D:Studio [Dream Encores] --- In tadream@egroups.com, Jared White wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Feldon Feldon' > > > > Only one of the tracks on Dream Encores brings anything new over the studio > > CDs. (I think it's the 1986 version of Dominion that's new) > > Yeah, Thief Yang and the Tangram Seal sounds just like Tangram or Dream Mixes. Sure. > > Jared 1, Morgan 0 > > Jared Actually, 'Thief Yang' sounds like one of the most exquisitely delicate passages from _Tangram_ with a brainless THUD THUD THUD drumbeat superimposed - not to mention Johannes' and Chris' names expunged from the composing credits. Maybe it was Edgar's revenge for 'Vermillion Sands' - or maybe he just felt like letting his clodhopping son desecrate one of the best things TD ever did. Jerome Froese 1, TD's heritage 0 Glynn From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 11:52 am Subject: I'm selling some nasty TD stuff Hi Gang, I'm selling some items from my TD collection (mostly CD's, but also original CDR's and LP's). You know, the stuff which doesn't live long once it's on offer at EBAY ;-) Each item is available only once so be quick before it's too late. Those who are interested can ask for a List which will be sent via e-mail. Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23853 Re: I'm selling some nasty TD stuff Craig Chambers Wed 9/6/2000 2 KB 23854 Re: I'm selling some nasty TD stuff Heiko Heerssen Wed 9/6/2000 4 KB 23855 Re: I'm selling some nasty TD stuff Heiko Heerssen Wed 9/6/2000 2 KB 23856 Re: I'm selling some nasty TD stuff Craig Chambers Wed 9/6/2000 2 KB 23859 Re: I'm selling some nasty TD stuff Joe Shoults Wed 9/6/2000 2 KB 23860 Re: I'm selling some nasty TD stuff Joe Shoults Wed 9/6/2000 2 KB From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 12:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I'm selling some nasty TD stuff Heiko, Please send me a list of items for sale. Thank you. Craig Chambers > Hi Gang, > > I'm selling some items from my TD collection (mostly CD's, but also > original CDR's and LP's). > You know, the stuff which doesn't live long once it's on offer at EBAY > ;-) > Each item is available only once so be quick before it's too late. > > Those who are interested can ask for a List which will be sent via > e-mail. > > Heiko From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I'm selling some nasty TD stuff Craig Chambers wrote: > Heiko, > > Please send me a list of items for sale. Thank you. Hi Craig, thanks for the mail, here is the list. I copied it from my document because two people could not open the file. The '?' stands for '--'. Bye, Heiko --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------- ORIGINAL BOOTLEGS FOR SALE all bootlegs are in “Mint“ condition. Prices are in US$ and excluding of postage costs. Although these are fixed prices (but I’m open to suggestions ? ) Please understand that I only accept money which is being sent CASH in an envelope (banking charges are quite horrible at the moment) my e-mail address: heiko.heerssen@h... my TD homepage: http://members.tripod.de/Network23/TD.html 1.) COMPACT DISCS: ? Reims live improvised (live 13.12.74) Oh Boy 2-9159, 2 CD , US$60,- ? Danger live! (live 09.02.76) Swabian Street Company, 1991, CD, US$70,- ? Me-rad (live 08.11.76), Silver Rarities 29, CD, US$30,- ? Collected endings (live 1976 + 1988), Silver Rarities 31, US$30,- ? Ardem O (live 1988), Silver Rarities 30, US$30,- ? Patrolling space borders (live 10.04.77), Laserium 1996, CD, US$25,- ? Dreaming (live 22.02.82), 1993 Music Brandenburg, CD US$20,- ? Rätikon (live 01.03.82), 1994 Avion Music, CD, US$30,- ? Spherical harmonics (live 09.09.88), Mirage CDV 103, US$50,- ? In den Gärten Pharaos/Bicycle race (live 06.11.90), CD, US$25,- ? Mystery tracks (Flashpoint LP & rare singles), 1993, CD, US$20,- ? Sol et Luna: Mystery tracks II (Heartbreakers LP & rare singles), 1994, CD, US$20,- ? Dreaming on Danforth Avenue (live 04.10.92), Blue Moon 3, CD, US$30,- ? Traumzeit (rare singles late 80‘/90‘s), 2 CD, US$40,- ? The Keep: blue moon boot, CD, US$40,- ? Risky business: The Audio movie kit, 2 CD, copy 285/300, US$80,- ? 70/90 (rare singles, FOC Digigpak cover), CD, US$70,- ? Prayer of quiet dreams (rare soundtrack bits, FOC digipak cover), CD, US$80,- 2.) ORIGINAL CD-R’s: ? Coefficient of aural expansion Part 2 (live 02.04.75), CDR, US$40,- ? Paris 76 (live 22.12.76), 2 CDR, US$40,- ? Beyond the wall (live 31.01.80), CDR, US$30,- ? Logotypes (studio rehearsals 1982), copy No. 111, CDR, US$40,- 3.) BOOTLEG LP’s: ? Seekers of dreams (live 16.08.75), LP + 7‘‘inch-Single (excellent condition), US$80,- ? Leprous appearance on Wednesday (live 22.02.82), 100 Productions, LP (copy 16/200), US$70,- ? The Canyon dreams (demo session for official soundtrack), 1987 Hymnbär Prod., LP (blue vinyl), US$15,- ? Singet, denn der Gesang vertreibt die Wölfe (live 06.11.90), Ars Nova 001 Picture LP, US$15,- From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 1:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I'm selling some nasty TD stuff DAMN...too late! Craig, this was of course meant to be OFF-LIST :-(( Heiko the fool From: 'Craig Chambers' Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 1:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I'm selling some nasty TD stuff I know...me too!! Sorry folks. > DAMN...too late! > > Craig, > this was of course meant to be OFF-LIST :-(( From: Steven Feldman Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 6:46 am Subject: SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET: 1st Impression Steven has expressed his opinion: Oh Brother, I should have known. Want to know what SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET is like? Well, it goes like this: take DEADLY CARE, RUMPELSTILTSKIN, the mellow tracks from SHY PEOPLE, ZONING, what little TD there is on DER METEOR, the music minus the animal screeches from AMBIENT MONKEYS, and 'Lhasa' from QUINOA EXTENDED, and that's what you get. Yes, I am dead serious; I am not taking potshots at Ed, merely stating a fact. This however, is an opinion: SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET makes DESTINATION BERLIN, Side Two (I have the LP) of ROCKOON, and TRANSSIBERIA all sound interesting by comparison. In fairness, however, it must be remarked that some of the album is intriguing, like parts of GREAT WALL OF CHINA, and -- admittedly -- I have only played it once, so far. Even so, I doubt I'll be singing this album's hosannahs anytime soon; MARS POLARIS it ain't! -- Steven Feldman -- unhumble webmaster of the fantasmaglorical Chang Cheh website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/ch-index.html From: Jared White Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 4:15 pm Subject: OT: Leaving for Washington Hi, folks, I apologize for the cross post, but I just wanted to let you all know that I'll be out of town on tour in Washington, USA for the next couple of weeks, and I won't be able to get to my e-mail much until after I get back. Just thought I'd warn you.... :) BTW, speaking of touring, my Celtic band Distant Oaks (with whom I'm touring) is now on MP3.com! I'm very excited about it, and, although I know it's nothing like TD or EM, some of you might be interested in it. The URL is http://www.mp3.com/distantoaks -- one piece somehow didn't get up there yet, but you'll get a nice little selection of music there anyway. Anyway, thanks, take care, talk to you all later, Jared From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 5:51 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] I'm selling some nasty TD stuff Please contact Heiko OFFLIST for the purposes of trading/selling bootlegs. Discuss them all you want here, but do your business off-list. Thanks, Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:15 AM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] I'm selling some nasty TD stuff > From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 5:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] I'm selling some nasty TD stuff oops- I should have looked ahead to the next (this) message, too! ;-) Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > > DAMN...too late! > > Craig, > this was of course meant to be OFF-LIST :-(( > > From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 9:29 pm Subject: Homepage update ! Hello all, I scraped the time together for another update of my homepage. You can find there: 1) a new 'Rarity of the Month' in MP3 2) my new swap list. With a new, very special item. In a shameless ploy to make you read the file, I'll only tell you that it's something only ONE other member of this list has ! 3) again, more entries in my 'Remarks and Corrections' list about falsely labeled tapes and CDRs 4) an update links page, as far as I know the most complete to other TD fan's sites 5) the usual assortment of small corrections... Have a look araound, you won't regret it ! http://www.caby.de/Music all the best klaus From: David Hughes Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 9:41 pm Subject: New movie Folks, Sorry for the intrusion but... there's a good reason. Really, honestly... Ok, it's shameless self promotion... There's a small 50 second movie put together out of our recent recording sessions at FACE Studios last week. Have a look over at the news section on the InfectionMusic web page. It works with Quicktime 3 but should work with any other good media viewer. Regards David -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Wed Dec 31, 1969 10:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 622 Message: 1 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:16:57 +0200 From: 'Paul Fellows' Subject: Re : film discography Hi all, The film discography has now been split into two categories (which will please Klaus Beschorner for one!): Category one: Cinema and TV films/videos with complete original Tangerine Dream/Edgar Froese soundtracks or with music exclusive to this title and/or unavailable on any album. Category two: Cinema and TV films/videos which contain Tangerine Dream/Edgar Froese music, but album extracts only (or where details of the music are unknown/unconfirmed at the time of writing). If anyone knows has any information about TD music content in any of the following films, please get in touch: Das Verbotene Spiel (EF music?) Ein Fur Alle Mal Game Over Good Morning Manhattan Im Regen Nach Amerika (EF music?) Memphis PD-War on the Streets Moonlighting (album music on one episode only?) Strange Behaviour/Dead Kids/Small Town Massacre Strange Days Tempo 82 (EF music?) Tribes Under Lock and Key Undinade (original music from 1969?) Vampira (complete original music score?) Volcano Dancing Von Richtern und Anderen Sympatisanten Thanks Paul From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 6:16 am Subject: The B word Let's have a little discussion on bootlegs. I'd like some information on the following bootlegs: Outback Voices Sea Of Dreams Electronic Orgy I know the latter two are both boxsets, but I recall someone saying that the last disc in one of them was redundant, but I can't remember which, or why it was considered thusly. Also, under what title was the, uh, 'un-molested' version of Soundmill Navigator? And lastly, could some of you guys give me the titles of some bootlegs you think are particularly worth hearing. Oh, and if you're wondering why I'm suddenly asking such questions (especially about stuff that's been discussed plenty of times around here), I'm not sure I'm allowed to say. Let's just some interesting things have a habit of turning up on Napster, and leave it at that, ok? ;-) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23865 Re: The B word Heiko Heerssen Thu 9/7/2000 2 KB 23866 Re: The B word Synthhtnys@a... Thu 9/7/2000 2 KB 23867 Re: The B word craig.cordrey@a... Thu 9/7/2000 4 KB 23868 Re: The B word Antonio Nunes Thu 9/7/2000 2 KB 23871 Re: The B word craig.cordrey@a... Thu 9/7/2000 3 KB 23870 Re: The B word j.gordon Thu 9/7/2000 2 KB 23872 Re: The B word Heiko Heerssen Thu 9/7/2000 2 KB 23873 Re: The B word Feldon Feldon Thu 9/7/2000 3 KB 23874 Re: The B word Radu Velicescu Thu 9/7/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 7:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The B word Chris Richards wrote: > Let's have a little discussion on bootlegs. I'd > like some information on the following bootlegs: > > Outback Voices > Sea Of Dreams > Electronic Orgy I'm not talking about those bootlegs which you mentioned above, however I wanted to apologize for erroneously sending my bootleg sales list to the Tadream list. I was about to hit the 'delete' button but it was too late. Discussing them is one thing, offering them (with prices) is another. Heiko P.S.: 2 days ago I was shocked to find out that you have to buy a ticket for Jerome's 'Ground Liftaz' event in Berlin (October 28th). When I phoned them there were only 26 tickets left, so it seems I came just in time. From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 7:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The B word << Electronic Orgy >> *I haven't heard the others, but I think this is a great un-tangentized collection of outtakes and rarities... I'm especially glad to get my grubby little hands on the cut 'Flock' which a friend had taped for me a long time ago from the 12 inch record.... great sequencing... The downside: good luck finding one... and when you do..... $$$$$$$ Poly From: craig.cordrey@a... Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 8:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The B word I trust our esteemed list-owner will step in if the discussion gets a little too close to the bone. >Let's have a little discussion on bootlegs. I'd >like some information on the following bootlegs: > >Outback Voices Sorry, never heard of it. >Sea Of Dreams 6-CDR set of live material between 1971(?) and 1995(?). Excellent (I've been told). >Electronic Orgy 4-CD set of 'rare' material between 1970 and 1994. Includes TD and solo material gathered from singles, compilations and other rare items. Excellent for those who can't track down the originals. >I know the latter two are both boxsets, but I >recall someone saying that the last disc in one >of them was redundant, but I can't remember >which, or why it was considered thusly. Hmmm, don't recall this comment. Some of the Sea of Drams tracks do appear on the Real Dream Encores 3-CDR set, but there's only 1 or two (I believe). >Also, under what title was the, uh, 'un-molested' >version of Soundmill Navigator? Dreaming. The other half of the show is on Ratikon. >And lastly, could some of you guys give me the >titles of some bootlegs you think are >particularly worth hearing. Can't make suggestions without knowing your preferences for TD era (if you have any). My faves are Acoustic LSD (1977), Logotypes (1982) and Sonambulistic Imagery (2CD, 1986). Other, widely recognised 'greats' are Live!Improvised! (2CD, 1974), Coefficient of Aural Expansion (2CD, 1975) and Danger!Live! (1 and 2, 1976). Good luck, +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@a... | | craig.cordrey@b... | | Senior Systems Engineer | | Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 | | Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division | | Donibristle, Fife, Scotland | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 9:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The B word craig.cordrey@a... wrote: > >Also, under what title was the, uh, 'un-molested' > >version of Soundmill Navigator? > > Dreaming. The other half of the show is on Ratikon. Isn't Dreaming the 'un-molested' version of _Sohoman_? Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23871 Re: The B word craig.cordrey@a... Thu 9/7/2000 3 KB From: NEUMANN.H-J@t... Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 10:04 am Subject: Golden Cd Collection Picture Hi all, please visit following homepage for a picture from the russian Bootleg CD: The Golden Collection 2000 www.opticaldream.de/webcard/index.html Thank you. This is my new Homepage it will be start at end of October. bye Heiko Neumann Germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'j.gordon' Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 10:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The B word > > >Also, under what title was the, uh, 'un-molested' > > >version of Soundmill Navigator? > > > > Dreaming. The other half of the show is on Ratikon. > > > Isn't Dreaming the 'un-molested' version of _Sohoman_? i believe that _honor_ belongs to Outback Voices... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: craig.cordrey@a... Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 12:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The B word >Isn't Dreaming the 'un-molested' version of _Sohoman_? In the words of the most famous American alive today ... 'D'oh!' Yes, you're right. Well, one 'molested' album is very much like every other, eh? 8-)) If I remember corrcetly, Soundmill Navigator appears on a variety of boots, including The Dream is Not Always the Same and, I think, Danger!Live!Part 2. Sorry for the confusion, Scuba-man. +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Craig R. J. Cordrey craig.cordrey@a... | | craig.cordrey@b... | | Senior Systems Engineer | | Tel : +44 (0) 1383 828187 | | Alenia Marconi Systems, Integrated Systems Division | | Donibristle, Fife, Scotland | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 12:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The B word > Sorry for the confusion, Scuba-man. His national football team just won their first World Cup 2002 qualifying match, that might explain why he's so confused ;-)))) Heiko From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 3:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The B word >From: craig.cordrey@a... > > >Outback Voices > >Sorry, never heard of it. > >Also, under what title was the, uh, 'un-molested' > >version of Soundmill Navigator? > >Dreaming. The other half of the show is on Ratikon. Soundmill Navigator is Tangerine Dream's 'official' (and officially doctored) version of a 1976 concert. I forget what bootleg contains the unmolested version. Outback Voices is: the first half of the February 2, 1982 Sydney, Australia concert Ratikon is: the second half of the March 1, 1982 Dalas Brooks Hall, Melbourne, Australia concert Outback Voices is the original unmolested concert that the Sohoman (Tangerine Dream's 'official') CD is from. Together, Outback Voices and Ratikon provide an accurate picture of most of the late fall 1981 to early spring 1982 concerts. Later in 1982, things changed around quite a bit, eventually ending up with the Logos setlist (plus about 25 minutes of material that are immortalized in the movie The Keep, and on the Logostypes bootleg tape). Morgan P.S. From James Owen's page: DREAMING (CD version of 'Leprous Appearance on Wednesday' + bonus track [ 6.0]) Recorded Feb. 22, 1982 Sydney, Australia (error: cover says Feb 2, 1982) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: Radu Velicescu Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 5:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The B word > Let's have a little discussion on bootlegs. I'd > like some information on the following bootlegs: > > Outback Voices > Sea Of Dreams > Electronic Orgy > > I know the latter two are both boxsets, but I > recall someone saying that the last disc in one > of them was redundant, but I can't remember > which, or why it was considered thusly. Wow, so now SoD and EO are box-sets... ;-) Maybe we should repackage SoD in a nice set, like the old Tangents set. For a variety of eras and styles, probably nothing beats having these 2 'box-sets'. They are both probably the best un-molested best-of TD sets out there. Radu np-London '78. From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 8:33 pm Subject: The B Word *We*, Radu ? :-) Now who would that mean? Radu, Jerome and Edgar? Radu, Heiko and about 80% on this list ? :-) Notice I estimated it at 80%, that would leave me plenty of room to wiggle out. :-) On a tad bit more serious note [Not much though], maybe Edgar should reproduce and sell SoD and EO, but with the TDI stamp on it. What are the bootleggers going to do about it ? :-) Seems to me, more people like SoD and EO better than they do Tangents! Maybe TDI should consult the bootleggers. :-) Score is Bootleggers 2 TDI 0 Sorry Edgar, just poking fun. :-) You're Still The Man ! :-) Grinning from ear to ear. As Danny DeVito once said in 'Tin Men', 'I'm beside myself'. To anybody who has never seen that movie which also stars Richard Dreyfus, you gotta see it ! You'll die laughing! Highly recommended! Note : For women the F word is FAT. Just joking Marion :-) BTW, has anyone seen my medication in oh.. say the last week or so? I seem to have misplaced it again. HEL-LO Anonymously yours, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23876 Re: The B Word Radu Velicescu Thu 9/7/2000 2 KB 23877 Re: The B Word odean@e... Thu 9/7/2000 2 KB 23879 The B Word David Foster Fri 9/8/2000 2 KB 23883 Re: The B Word Antonio Nunes Fri 9/8/2000 2 KB 23890 SoD and EO Under the TDI Banner? Uh, no. Steven Feldman Fri 9/8/2000 3 KB 23884 Re: The B Word Frank Arellano Fri 9/8/2000 2 KB 23885 Re: The B Word Sean Montgomery Fri 9/8/2000 2 KB From: Radu Velicescu Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 10:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The B Word > > > *We*, Radu ? :-) Now who would that mean? Radu, Jerome and Edgar? That that would make TD a trio again... ;-) Now, with me at the helm I'd update the TDI site more often, and - if you vote for me - I'll release the 1974-77 concerts un-molested and for an acceptable price!! Wow, what a concept!!! Wonder why nobody ever thought of that before me joining TD!!!! Anyway, it's clear that 12 hours of continuous stressfull work while listening to Seven Letters from Tibet is bound to drive anyone over the cliff... Radu....... From: odean@e... Date: Fri Sep 8, 2000 2:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The B Word At 05:07 PM 9/7/00 -0500, you wrote: >Anyway, it's clear that 12 hours of continuous stressfull work while >listening to Seven Letters from Tibet is bound to drive anyone over the >cliff... > >Radu....... And I'll bet it was the 'Cliffs of Sydney!' ;-) Oscar From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 11:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 623 <> Good point! Mainly, I like the stuff up through Logos. I'm looking up the various titles that have been named so far, but if anyone has any other ideas, feel free to bring them up!!! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 6:43 pm Subject: The B Word Seems like there's confusion over the contents of boots. Is there an official discography any where? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Foster' Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 7:10 pm Subject: 28.10.2000 Ground Liftaz Hi I've been offline for a while so I have missed some news. Back on line again. Who's going to the event? Is anyone in the UK going? I would like to, being my birthday and all that but work commitments mean I can't. Will anyone be able to take orders for any special goodies there? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Sep 8, 2000 10:33 am Subject: C'est What? My friends at work tell me there's a song that's popular on the alternative stations called errrrrrrr ahem. Tangerine Speedo. Poly From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Sep 8, 2000 2:59 pm Subject: burning man info from adobe hey folks- just ran across this article on burning man festival (where our own Pete Isaacson is DJ'ing): http://www.adobe.com/motion/features/burningman/main.html -Joe From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Sep 8, 2000 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The B Word Frank Arellano wrote: > > On a tad bit more serious note [Not much though], maybe Edgar should > reproduce and sell SoD and EO, but with the TDI stamp on it. I think he is doing it already. Antique Dreams anyone? ;-) Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23890 SoD and EO Under the TDI Banner? Uh, no. Steven Feldman Fri 9/8/2000 3 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Sep 8, 2000 4:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The B Word Yeah, but I doubt Antique Dreams can hold a candle next to Sea Of Dreams and Electronic Orgy. I was talking about outright burning copies of SOD and EO. Whoever produced SOD and EO I don't think can stop Edgar from doing that, can they? BTW, how do you know it was me who wrote that crazy email yesterday, it was signed anonymously! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Antonio Nunes' To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] The B Word > > > > Frank Arellano wrote: > > > > On a tad bit more serious note [Not much though], maybe Edgar should > > reproduce and sell SoD and EO, but with the TDI stamp on it. > > I think he is doing it already. Antique Dreams anyone? ;-) > > Antonio Nunes > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Sean Montgomery Date: Fri Sep 8, 2000 4:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The B Word Frank Arellano wrote: > I was talking about outright burning copies of SOD and EO. Whoever produced > SOD and EO I don't think can stop Edgar from doing that, can they? No, but the record labels that hold the copyright to the music on EO certainly could. SOD is another matter, since it consists of unreleased music. I hope that TDI *does* put out something like it before the concert tapes in the vault deteriorate further. Alas, based on the label's track record so far, I'd say that the odds of our getting 6 discs of un-tampered with 70s and 80s concert material are pretty poor. -- SEAN MONTGOMERY T O P I X / Mad Dog http://www.topix.com/~sean From: horrod6 Date: Fri Sep 8, 2000 6:01 pm Subject: The F word - totally OT Frank said: 'Note : For women the F word is FAT. Just joking Marion :-)' Actually Frank, the F-word is exactly the same for women as it is for men - we just mean something completely different by it ;-p Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23888 Re: The F word - totally OT Frank Arellano Fri 9/8/2000 3 KB 23903 Re: The F word - totally OT horrod6 Sat 9/9/2000 2 KB From: David Hughes Date: Fri Sep 8, 2000 7:15 pm Subject: T Bass UK Video Hello, 'Scuse the blatant spamette but it appears that was a Javascript error lurking in the news section of our web page recently which may have stopped some people from seeing the vid we posted up the other day. The vid is a .mov file which Quicktime and Windows Media player should be able to handle. If anyone has any problems with this format or amy other problems viewing the movie, please get in touch. Regards David -- Infection Music http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Fri Sep 8, 2000 8:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The F word - totally OT Am I in trouble with you Marion? :-) You know I'm still your friend. But you hurt my *feelings* with that tongue sticking out at me! :-) Why is it so hard for me to stay out of trouble? Don't! answer that Marion. I guess some people can't appreciate my sarcastic and twisted sense of humor. I might have to jump my neighbors fence and extract a few of his medicinal erbs from his garden and smoke the peace pipe with you, huh? Especially since I still can't find my own medicine :-) As you can see I'm not getting any better :-( Signed Sick Puppy PS If you haven't heard from me in a while, you might wanna check our local hospital here. My wife threatened to call the paddy wagon team yesterday. Can you believe the nerve of her ? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'horrod6' To: 'tadream@o...' Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 12:01 PM Subject: [tadream] The F word - totally OT > > Frank said: > > 'Note : For women the F word is FAT. Just joking Marion :-)' > > Actually Frank, the F-word is exactly the same for women as it is for > men - we just mean something completely different by it ;-p > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: Steven Feldman Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 8:36 pm Subject: Amazon Makes Regular Customers Pay More Hi All, A friend of mine e-mailed me, telling me to check out an article at http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/13069.html The article, called 'Amazon makes regular customers pay more,' starts off like this: | It's come to light that Amazon.com is varying the prices of DVDs, | using cookies installed on a customer's computer to decide what | percentage discount to offer. If you are a first-time visitor (or, | incidentally, have turned your cookies off) you will frequently | receive a higher discount that if you are not. To read the rest of the article, go to http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/13069.html -- Steven Feldman From: Steven Feldman Date: Fri Sep 8, 2000 5:25 pm Subject: SoD and EO Under the TDI Banner? Uh, no. On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:47:44 +0100 Antonio Nunes said: > >Frank Arellano wrote: >> >> On a tad bit more serious note [Not much though], maybe Edgar should >> reproduce and sell SoD and EO, but with the TDI stamp on it. > >I think he is doing it already. Antique Dreams anyone? ;-) No, sorry; that's TANGENTS Volume Three. -- Steven Feldman -- unhumble webmaster of the fantasmaglorical Chang Cheh website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/ch-index.html From: 'Vince LeGrand' Date: Fri Sep 8, 2000 10:16 pm Subject: Dweller at the Threshold in Philly Dweller at the Threshold is performing in Philadelphia on September 23. Anybody from this list (besides me, of course) planning to attend? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23896 Re: Dweller at the Threshold in Philly Synthhtnys@a... Sat 9/9/2000 2 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Sat Sep 9, 2000 12:08 am Subject: DJ Dreamhead's Burning Man Report Another Festival has come and gone. It's taken me a few days to get reorganized and the Palm Pilot HotSync-d with the play list data. 08/29/00 22:00--00:30 Bears Lair Radio 89.5FM To get to the location for my first gig required a mile bike ride from our campsite in Gigsville Village (4:00 & Head Way) to Bears Lair Camp (9:45 & Head Way). The control board resided inside a 8' EMT Pipe geodesic dome with no windows and was home audio equipment cobbled together through a mixing board. For this stint I put together a 'Burning Man Set' with fire/flame/desert titled tracks Set List Green Desert (title track) Kiew Mission Hypoborea (Tangentized) No Mans Land (Tangentized) Mojave Plan (Tangentized) Desert Dream(Tangentized) Vulcano (tangents) Journey Through a Burning Brain Cold Smoke Ashes To Ashes The Big Sleep in Search of Hades Thru Metamorphic Rocks Too Hot for My Chinchilla Firetongues Desert Drive Firetongues (the break freak mix) Burning Bar Igneous I slept through my second shift at Bears Lair, but my wife was able to negotiate a stint at our Village radio station as one DJ wanted to take a break. 09/01/00 20:00--22:00 Radio Loose Whirligig 95.3FM A way better setup here inside the cargo space of a rented truck with clear plastic taped over the opening. The equipment setup was far less slapdash with a dual Denon CD player hooked into the mixing board. During my stint I had a gentleman come up to the trailer and we chatted TD and he offered to get me tape copies of a few bootlegs and hard-to-find soundtracks. Somewhere in my stuff is his address as he has no email access. A guy & his girlfriend biked up and thanked me for playing TD as his camp found it real nice for their chill out period before they went out and partied for the night. Set List Green Desert Thru Metamorphic Rocks Choronzon-Logotypes No Man's Land (Tangentized) House of the Rising Sun Mobocaster Towards the Evening Star (Mandarin Cream Mix) Bent Cold Sidewalk Underwater Sunlight - tracks 01-05 (on track 03 'Dolphin Dance' there was a fellow Gigsvillan jamming along on his percussion junk festooned truck) All in all, I had a couple of good stints. Perhaps next year there will be more listizens at the festival to share the music and talk TD until we bore everyone around us! ;-) Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... Saw copy of _The Keep_ LP, held it in his hands, but didn't have the $ 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese, on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23893 Re: DJ Dreamhead's Burning Man Report Vic Rek Sat 9/9/2000 2 KB 23894 Re: DJ Dreamhead's Burning Man Report PENFOLD Sat 9/9/2000 3 KB From: Vic Rek Date: Sat Sep 9, 2000 1:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DJ Dreamhead's Burning Man Report Hey Pete! Looks like an interesting event. Maybe I'll swing by next year. Was anyone there from our high school days at Los Altos High? :-) > For this stint I put together a 'Burning Man Set' with > fire/flame/desert titled tracks > Set List > Kiew Mission Interesting selection - how did this one meet your criteria? Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23894 Re: DJ Dreamhead's Burning Man Report PENFOLD Sat 9/9/2000 3 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Sat Sep 9, 2000 7:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DJ Dreamhead's Burning Man Report At 2000.09.08 18:59, Vic Rek wrote: >Looks like an interesting event. Maybe I'll swing by next year. Was >anyone there from our high school days at Los Altos High? :-) Not that I know of. Since this was my 4th Burn, I've become a bit of a celebrity in Black Rock City as I dress as a Postal Worker (not Disgruntled, leave that to the Portland Cacophony Society) and offer off-playa mail delivery. > > For this stint I put together a 'Burning Man Set' with > > fire/flame/desert titled tracks > > Set List > > > Kiew Mission >Interesting selection - how did this one meet your criteria? I usually open my set with this track and Green Desert. Exit was my first exposure to TD and the spoken Russian with the message of peace is perfect for the vibe of Black Rock City. DJ Dreamhead aka PENFOLD mailto:penfold@a... Postman of the Playa - Black Rock City, NV - Gigsville Village (4:00 & Head Way) Off-Playa mail delivery without a sneer since 1997! 'You see the problem I have here. I've *tried* dissing the Disgruntled Postal Workers, but I just can't. I'm just too damn Gruntled! Just look what I'm up against! They've got greater numbers, indoctrinated children, and they're packing heat!' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Sep 9, 2000 9:06 am Subject: Discussion Week 52 - 10th September 2000 This week is another double discussion. It is the turn of The Hollywood Years albums. Please make your subject read 'D:Studio [Hollywood Years Vol. 1]' or 'D:Studio [Hollywood Years Vol. 2]' as appropriate. Well, I'm off to catch my plane to The Netherlands to go and see E-Live 2000. Maybe I will see some of you there! Regards, Lawry lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Sep 9, 2000 10:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Dweller at the Threshold in Philly << Dweller at the Threshold is performing in Philadelphia on September 23. Anybody from this list (besides me, of course) planning to attend? >> *Those seeing the show will see the unveiling of D@T... mark two as I left the band earlier this year (amicably) There are two new members Lon Cudy and John Duvall... Old friends and good musicians... Dave played me some of the new music they're working on and those familiar with our music will definitely be hearing a change... What I heard reminded me of Kubusschnitt, more raw and spontaneous. I would love to go myself but my workload won't allow it... I would recommend any Baumann era TD fans near the Philly area to check it out. Poly From: 'con31pitlane' Date: Sat Sep 9, 2000 12:29 pm Subject: EF GO HOME AND RETIRE >>On a tad bit more serious note [Not much though], maybe Edgar should > > reproduce and sell SoD and EO, but with the TDI stamp on it. What - and make more money for TDI....by 'tangetising' them ...and make them completely different from the originals that these are. EF exploits the past to make money today, he has not given us anything new in 15 years ?! my comment is 'its time to give up Edgar.. you have nothing to give to the music world anymore... pack you bags now and GO ??!! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23902 Re: EF GO HOME AND RETIRE quarlie@a... Sat 9/9/2000 2 KB 23904 Re: EF GO HOME AND RETIRE Ray Sat 9/9/2000 2 KB 23917 Re: EF GO HOME AND RETIRE Bert.Hulshoff@N... Mon 9/11/2000 2 KB 23924 Re: EF GO HOME AND RETIRE Vic Rek Mon 9/11/2000 2 KB 23925 Re: EF GO HOME AND RETIRE quarlie@a... Mon 9/11/2000 2 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Sat Sep 9, 2000 12:37 pm Subject: Re : [tadream] EF GO HOME AND RETIRE Er, correct me if I'm wrong, I thought this list was for fans, who should be packing their bags here... ---------- >De : 'con31pitlane' >À : >Objet : [tadream] EF GO HOME AND RETIRE >Date : Sam 9 sep 2000 14:29 > > > >>>On a tad bit more serious note [Not much though], maybe Edgar should >> > reproduce and sell SoD and EO, but with the TDI stamp on it. > > > What - and make more money for TDI....by 'tangetising' them ...and make them > completely > different from the originals that these are. > > EF exploits the past to make money today, he has not given us anything new > in 15 years ?! > > my comment is 'its time to give up Edgar.. you have nothing to give > to the music world anymore... pack you bags now and GO ??!! > > > > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23906 Re: Re : [tadream] EF GO HOME AND RETIRE aoutland@a... Sun 9/10/2000 2 KB 23907 Re: Re : [tadream] EF GO HOME AND RETIRE Carl Kearney Sun 9/10/2000 2 KB 23912 Re: Re : [tadream] EF GO HOME AND RETIRE rbrown4856@a... Mon 9/11/2000 2 KB 23920 Re: Re : [tadream] EF GO HOME AND RETIRE Joe Shoults Mon 9/11/2000 2 KB From: Brian Frick Date: Sat Sep 9, 2000 1:30 pm Subject: Fans You know, I've never been on a list where it's *OK* to be pissed off at members of a band. I cannot believe that everyone is happy with every song and every album and every nuance of every album that the artist has released. It's OK TO BE PISSED AT THE BAND, and STILL be considered A FAN. Thanks. - Brian Frick Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23918 Re Fans; SEVEN LETTERS TO TIBET Steven Feldman Mon 9/11/2000 3 KB From: 'Frank Stephen' Date: Sat Sep 9, 2000 6:23 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Digest Number 625 Hello fellow Tadreamers, I am once again selling some of my rare tapes and CDRs. This time alot of the material is from Genesis. Please e-mail off-list for a complete list of stuff. My e-mail is fstephe@a... First come, first served. Thanks, Frank From: Rainer Rutka Date: Sat Sep 9, 2000 4:29 pm Subject: Site update (Golden Collection 2000 and much more) HI! New update: www.rutka.de/td e.g.: Golden Collection 2000 sampler (tracklistings, all pictures and more), some more samplers, a Virgin promo-sheet and much more. Rainer rainer@k... --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat Sep 9, 2000 4:56 pm Subject: Re: EF GO HOME AND RETIRE In a message dated 9/9/00 8:18:51 AM, con31@t... writes: >EF exploits the past to make money today, he has not given us anything >new in 15 years ?! Eh? If you can't tell the difference between Le Parc and Mars Polaris, I'd suggest getting your ears checked. >my comment is 'its time to give up Edgar.. you have nothing to give >to the music world anymore... pack you bags now and GO ??!! You could always just not listen if you don't like it. I mean, come on--how would you be any better off if Edgar retired? --Daniel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23904 Re: EF GO HOME AND RETIRE Ray Sat 9/9/2000 2 KB From: horrod6 Date: Sat Sep 9, 2000 6:09 pm Subject: Re: The F word - totally OT Frank wrote: 'Am I in trouble with you Marion? ... you hurt my *feelings* with that tongue sticking out at me!' I'm sorry, that tongue was meant to be firmly in my cheek. But then my tongue's always getting me into trouble :-) If your wife hasn't found your medication for you yet, just have a good cry and you'll feel much better. LnH Marion P.S. OK, Chris, I'll buy it. What _do_ you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos? From: 'Ray ' Date: Sat Sep 9, 2000 7:30 pm Subject: Re: EF GO HOME AND RETIRE Its quite simple... EF had the 'Good Years' 1969-1987 and the 'Bad Tears' 1987 - to date We would have all been better off if he stopped at 1987 and retired. Then we would not have 'pointless' arguements about the stuff after 1987! In reality I expect half the list agrees withj me and the other half don't... It is a point if opinion and we never are going to agree on this. Unfortunately.. I see Mr Froese as a money grabbing business man these days..... and not the highly original musical inovator that he used to be ?! R > >EF exploits the past to make money today, he has not given us anything > >new in 15 years ?! > > Eh? If you can't tell the difference between Le Parc and Mars Polaris, I'd > suggest getting your ears checked. > > >my comment is 'its time to give up Edgar.. you have nothing to give > >to the music world anymore... pack you bags now and GO ??!! > > You could always just not listen if you don't like it. I mean, come on--how > would you be any better off if Edgar retired? > > --Daniel From: PENFOLD Date: Sat Sep 9, 2000 10:56 pm Subject: OT: other neat stuff from Burning Man We had quite a number of musicians in our collective known as Gigsville Village. What was real noteworthy was the Sunday after the Burn when three fellow villagers got together and jammed. We had Nobodobodon (aka Nobody) on Theremin, Jiggy Mo-Mo on electric guitar, and Buck on a homebrewed Analogue Synth (patch cords! wow!) I got some pretty good 640x480 JPEGs of the trio in action. For you wireheads onlist, I figured you could email me OFF LIST and I will be happy to send a few attachments your way. Although Buck's synth wasn't big, it was a treat to see for the first time an analogue synth up close and being operated. The only such synth's I've seen have been in pictures/album covers. Nobody's probably one of the few people I've seen who can play a Theremin worth a damn and not make horrible noise with it. Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... Saw copy of _The Keep_ LP, held it in his hands, but didn't have the $ 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese, on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. From: aoutland@a... Date: Sun Sep 10, 2000 12:59 am Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] EF GO HOME AND RETIRE In a message dated 09/09/2000 8:39:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pfellows@c... writes: << Er, correct me if I'm wrong, I thought this list was for fans, who should be packing their bags here... >> My sentiments exactly. Such disrespect for someone that the rest of us admire so much, who created such wonderful music both past and present has no place here. I'm not wishing that anyone would leave, but I think it is appropriate to mention that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. However, I am not saying that there shouldn't be any criticism, but it should be valid, fair, and have good reasoning to back it up. Edgar Froese has led Tangerine Dream through thirty years of creativity; not all will satisfy every person. Maybe the new direction doesn't satisfy you, but it does others. Let's show a little respect. Dell From: 'Carl Kearney' Date: Sun Sep 10, 2000 1:42 am Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] EF GO HOME AND RETIRE Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 1:59 AM Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] EF GO HOME AND RETIRE > In a message dated 09/09/2000 8:39:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > pfellows@c... writes: > > << Er, correct me if I'm wrong, I thought this list was for fans, who should > be > packing their bags here... > >> > > My sentiments exactly. Such disrespect for someone that the rest of us > admire so much, who created such wonderful music both past and present has no > place here. You tell em Dell :-) Mind you I thought the list was changing into a KS list . LOL Orch . From: Roger Hartopp Date: Sun Sep 10, 2000 2:17 pm Subject: What's been happening since 27 July? Hi everyone! I've been away since the 27th of July and would like to know what's been happening since then, and what happened to the TD guest book? Has someone been upsetting the TDI offices again? Roger ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie From: PENFOLD Date: Sun Sep 10, 2000 7:18 pm Subject: OT: Annoying banner ads & list servers At 2000.09.01 10:19, Glenn Folkvord wrote: >Craig, > > >Please give us alternatives > >www.topica.com (heard alot of good about this one) I know a couple of people who work for topica, nice folks. In fact I've met a few while at Burning Man. >people prefer in terms of functionality. I dont know how they all enforce >ads but I think most of them (except eGroups) have ads at the bottom. I have one friend who uses one of those free email services. The way he deals with the annoying ad banner at the end of the message is to end the email with a bunch of carriage returns so the ad gets shoved below the pane of the message window. I've altered my .sig to demonstrate Pete Isaacson DJ DreamHead mailto:penfold@a... Saw copy of _The Keep_ LP, held it in his hands, but didn't have the $ 'We throw each piece of equipment three times out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it's still functioning properly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!...' -- Edgar Froese, on the way Tangerine Dream decides on which instruments to take on the road. From an interview in _Keyboard_ magazine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Sun Sep 10, 2000 10:50 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] OT: Annoying banner ads & list servers Pete, > I have one friend who uses one of those free email services. The >way he deals with the annoying ad banner at the end of the message is to >end the email with a bunch of carriage returns so the ad gets shoved below >the pane of the message window. I dont like that idea personally. I always scroll down if I see that the message continues, just to see if someone added a PS or whatever after their sig. If I have to scroll down through alot of space just to end up with an add, I'd go bananas....... Its the ads on the top that most people find annoying, like we experience now. Ads at the bottom rarely get complaints. Glenn www.jmjfkn.com www.folkvord.net/electronicshadows www.egroups.com/group/jarrechat From: 'Paul Wagorn' Date: Sun Sep 10, 2000 11:45 pm Subject: check it out... Hi all: I figured that you people on the list would be the best to ask, because you're especially qualified, being on this list and all ... :) Lately I've been working very hard on some of my own music, and would really appreciate any comments that you you had on what you think of it. I'm considering putting some more money and time into my music & I'm trying to figure out if it's a good route to go. (ie.... do I have what it takes??) anyways, ANY comments, good or bad, would be greatly appreciated ! :) please reply off-list to me personally ( pwagorn@p... ) the url where you can find my music is: http://www.mp3.com/puffboy thanks & take care, -paul peace Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23921 Re: check it out... Feldon Feldon Mon 9/11/2000 3 KB From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 2:54 am Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] EF GO HOME AND RETIRE Greetings All! There is NO WAY this is going to turn into a KS list cause then all it would be is THE SAME OLD CRAP over end over for the next thirty years and I sure as hell don't see fans of the EVER EVOLVING TD going for that! Rick From: Chris Richards Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 5:32 am Subject: Virus Alert I recieved the following virus warning on one of the mailing lists I belong to, so I'm passing it on to all of you. Don't get angry if you don't like getting this kind of stuff in your mail box. I'm just trying to give everyone a heads up so they don't get hurt. If you receive an email titled 'It Takes Guts to Say Jesus', DO NOT OPEN IT. It will erase everything on your hard drive. This information was announced yesterday morning from IBM. AOL states that this is a very dangerous virus, much worse than 'Melissa,' and that there is NO REMEDY for it at this time. Some very sick individual has succeeded in using the reformat function from Norton Utilities causing it to completely erase all documents on the hard drive. It has been designed to work with Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Internet Explorer. It destroys Macintosh and IBM compatible computers. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it. Pass this warning along to EVERYONE in your address book and please share it with all your online friends ASAP so that this threat may be stopped. Please practice cautionary measures and tell anyone that may have access to your computer. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23919 Re Virus Alert: It's a Hoax Steven Feldman Mon 9/11/2000 3 KB 23930 Re: Virus Alert Feldon Feldon Mon 9/11/2000 5 KB 23932 Re: Virus Alert Joe Shoults Mon 9/11/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 7:18 am Subject: 7 letters from my Chinese restaurant I'm listening to the new '7 letters from Tibet' for the 3rd time now, and while some pieces are really interesting ('The red blood connection' or 'The golden heart'), others are as dull as dishwater and wouldn't be out of place as background muzak in my fave Chinese restaurant.. When I first read about Edgar's decision to launch is own label I was very pleased, now I wish that he would release just one GREAT album a year instead of 5 or 6 mediocre ones. Heiko P.S.: ..but the T-shirt looks great! ~LOL~ From: 'Yensen, Stephen' Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 9:47 am Subject: Re: 'Virus alert' >If you receive an email titled 'It Takes Guts to >Say Jesus', DO NOT OPEN IT. It will erase .. Sorry guys and gals, this is another hoax. See http://www.vmyths.com/hoax.cfm?id=91&page=3 Cheers, Steve in Nottingham, UK - -- 'I'm mainly in comedy. I'd like to be in Programming Planning actually, but unfortunately I've got a degree' - John Cleese. From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 10:23 am Subject: Virologernas paradis > From: Chris Richards >Subject: Virus Alert >I recieved the following virus warning on one of >the mailing lists I belong to.... Pass this warning along to EVERYONE >in your >address book and please share it with all your >online friends ASAP so that this threat may be >stopped. I haven't heard of this one before Chris so I won't say that it is a hoax, but judging from what you write this is the kind of virus warning that is a problem in itself as it causes people to forward a mail to everyone in their address-books. Result: Knocked-out mail servers. Olle From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 11:08 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: EF GO HOME AND RETIRE What a nonsens after 87 there are a lot of good albums with MISTER EF.. I relly hope EF will not retire!!!!!!! Bert > EF > had the 'Good Years' 1969-1987 > and the 'Bad Tears' 1987 - to date > > We would have all been better off if he stopped at 1987 and retired. > Then we would not have 'pointless' arguements about the stuff after > 1987! > > In reality I expect half the list agrees withj me and the other half > don't... > > It is a point if opinion and we never are going to agree on this. > > Unfortunately.. I see Mr Froese as a money grabbing business man > these days..... and not the highly original musical inovator that he > used to be ?! > > R > > From: Steven Feldman Date: Sat Sep 9, 2000 2:35 pm Subject: Re Fans; SEVEN LETTERS TO TIBET On Sat, 09 Sep 2000 08:30:51 -0500 Brian Frick said: >It's OK TO BE PISSED AT THE BAND, and STILL be considered A FAN. Well, alrighty then: I like RUBYCON, but all other TD blows! So there! I'm a *fan*, dagnabbit! ;) Hee hee. Seriously though, I have about 150 Tangerine Dream CDs and I love recent albums like TIMESQUARE: DREAM MIXES II and MARS POLARIS but that doesn't mean that I have to like and/or say nice things about doo-doo like AMBIENT MONKEYS and TRANSSIBERIA. And -- shock of shocks -- I find myself enjoying SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET somewhat. I had expected it be an album's-worth of listless drivel like QUINOA EXTENDED's 'Lhasa,' but it's not bad. I am a fan of old skool ambient music (recent faves are TO THE SHORES OF HEAVEN by Jeffrey Pearce and THE DRIFT INSIDE by Vir Unis), so I am in no way put off by slow, sequencer-less e-music. If anything, I find SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET too upbeat, overall. I wish there was more piano on this album. -- Steven Feldman -- webmaster of the KEEP website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/ From: Steven Feldman Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 5:57 am Subject: Re Virus Alert: It's a Hoax Go to any of these sites: http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=it+takes+guts+to+say+jesus&hc=0&hs=0 http://www.stiller.com/guts.htm http://www.av.ibm.com/BreakingNews/HypeAlert/Guts/ At the bottom of the last page listed above, there is a link to a paper called 'How to Spot a Virus Hoax.' Since this link is provided from an IBM site, I suspect it's good reading. Now we don't have to debate whether or not this virus is real, because it is not. Let's get back to piffle about Edgar being washed up or not. ;) -- Steven Feldman From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 3:12 pm Subject: RE: Re : [tadream] EF GO HOME AND RETIRE here here (or is it 'hear hear'?)! good one, paul! -Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Fellows [mailto:pfellows@c...] > Er, correct me if I'm wrong, I thought this list was for > fans, who should be > packing their bags here... > > ---------- > >De : 'con31pitlane' > >À : > >Objet : [tadream] EF GO HOME AND RETIRE From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 3:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] check it out... >From: 'Paul Wagorn' > >Hi all: > >I figured that you people on the list would be the best to ask, because >you're >especially qualified, being on this list and all ... :) > >Lately I've been working very hard on some of my own music, and would >really >appreciate >any comments that you you had on what you think of it. I'm considering >putting >some more money and time into my music & I'm trying to figure out if it's a >good route to go. (ie.... do I have what it takes??) > >anyways, ANY comments, good or bad, would be greatly appreciated ! :) >please reply off-list to me personally ( pwagorn@p... ) > >the url where you can find my music is: http://www.mp3.com/puffboy You might want to mention in your message whether your music is Tangerine Dream- (or any of its solo artists) inspired or not. From a first listen, it's a techno track, bearing no relation to anything by TD. Regards, Morgan _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: horrod6 Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 6:12 pm Subject: Time for a new list? Someone - Jared, I think - set up a separate list for people who are only fans of the newer TD material. Judging from recent comments on this list, it looks as if it's time somebody did the same for the benefit of those who think Edgar sold his soul to the devil 15 years ago, or that the band haven't made a decent record since __________ . No, I'm not volunteering, since despite having a preference for the earlier material I don't feel that I fall into the latter category. How about it, Ray? LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23923 Re: Time for a new list? Gabe Yedid Mon 9/11/2000 2 KB From: Gabe Yedid Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 6:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Time for a new list? >===== Original Message From horrod6 ===== > >Someone - Jared, I think - set up a separate list for people who are >only fans of the newer TD material. In defense of artofvision, I would like to point out that that list is for people who are fans of ALL eras of TD, but we concentrate on discussions of the newer material because we think it's worth discussing. I don't think there's anybody on that list who is a fan of newer (read: post-Livemiles) material *exclusively*. Some people like to give us some s**t for it but see if we care. Gabe ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Vic Rek Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] EF GO HOME AND RETIRE I just got back into town and I saw many e-mails referring to: RE: TIRED - EF JEROME HAS PARTY @ HOME and then I realized that I was tired and I needed to throw a party (or go to sleep). BTW, retired means tired-again. Goodnight and I will get to the rest of my e-mails shortly... |-) Vic From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 7:29 pm Subject: Re: EF GO HOME AND RETIRE In a message dated 9/9/00 3:31:34 PM, con31@t... writes: >We would have all been better off if he stopped at 1987 and retired. >Then we would not have 'pointless' arguements about the stuff after >1987! So you're telling me that I'd be better off without the last 13 years of TD music, even though I happen to like most of it? People with opinions other than yours are not 'wrong.' You don't have to 'correct' them. How about this: you could refrain from starting the arguments in question. Then the people who like the post-1987 music can listen to it in peace, and those who don't can just ignore it, and everyone can be happy. --Daniel From: Vic Rek Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 7:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re Fans; SEVEN LETTERS TO TIBET > On Sat, 09 Sep 2000 08:30:51 -0500 Brian Frick said: > >It's OK TO BE PISSED AT THE BAND, and STILL be considered A FAN. > > Well, alrighty then: I like RUBYCON, but all other TD blows! So > there! I'm a *fan*, dagnabbit! ;) > Hee hee. You forgot to mention Edgar's YPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE as another favorite (mine too)... Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23929 YPSILON/EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE: still rules af Steven Feldman Mon 9/11/2000 3 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 7:10 pm Subject: Re : SV: [tadream] OT: Annoying banner ads & list servers I beg to differ, I find it very annoying when the second half of my messages get cut off! Top or bottom, the message is still gibberish if it's incomplete... Paul > Its the ads on the top that most people find annoying, like we experience > now. Ads at the bottom rarely get complaints. > > Glenn From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 9:19 pm Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] OT: Annoying banner ads & list servers Paul, >I beg to differ, I find it very annoying when the second half of my messages >get cut off! Top or bottom, the message is still gibberish if it's >incomplete... What do you mean? Ads cut off your messages? Its factual statistics from eGroups and other similar services that bottom ads receive very few complaints compared to top ads. I understand if you dont like bottom ads either, but the majority of people tolerate them. glenn From: Steven Feldman Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 7:56 pm Subject: YPSILON/EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE: still rules after all this time! On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:38:56 -0400 Vic Rek said: Brian Frick said: >> >It's OK TO BE PISSED AT THE BAND, and STILL be considered A FAN. Then Steven Feldman said: >> Well, alrighty then: I like RUBYCON, but all other TD blows! So >> there! I'm a *fan*, dagnabbit! ;) >> Hee hee. > >You forgot to mention Edgar's YPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE as another >favorite (mine too)... Vic Yeah, yeah, I know. I thought of that when I posted, but I didn't want to confuse the newbies with obscure references or frustate the old-timers because YPSILON is a solo album, not a TD album proper. Just the same, YSPSILON (aka EPSILON) is still my fave TD-related recording of all time. -- Steven Feldman -- unhumble webmaster of the fantasmaglorical Chang Cheh website at http://members.spree.com/molasar/hongkong/ch-index.html From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Virus Alert >From: Chris Richards > >I recieved the following virus warning on one of >the mailing lists I belong to, so I'm passing it >on to all of you. Don't get angry if you don't >like getting this kind of stuff in your mail box. >I'm just trying to give everyone a heads up so >they don't get hurt. There is little in this universe worse than virus spam. >If you receive an email titled 'It Takes Guts to >Say Jesus', DO NOT OPEN IT. OPENING an e-mail is incapable of hurting your computer in any way, UNLESS you are using Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express and have 'run scripts' turned on. MS Outlook and Outlook Express are virus magnets. >It will erase >everything on your hard drive. >that there is NO REMEDY >for it at this time. Anyone who runs programs (executables) sent as attachments to their e-mail is asking for trouble. >Some very sick individual has succeeded in using >the reformat function from Norton Utilities >causing it to completely erase all documents on >the hard drive. Considering how bloated and inefficiently written Norton Utilities is, I guess the virus is 2-3 megs if it includes the format utility then? >It has been designed to work with >Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Internet >Explorer. Netscape Navigator and Internet Explorer have no e-mail clients to speak of, so I don't see how it's designed to 'Work' with Netscape or Internet Explorer. Maybe you are thinking of Netscape Communicator e-mail client and Microsoft Outlook? Further, while Outlook has major security problems, neither Netscape nor Eudora run any embedded scripts. You would have to physically open the e-mail and be dumb enough to double-click on the attachment. >It destroys Macintosh and IBM >compatible computers. I SINCERELY doubt this. First of all, if the virus is truly Macintosh and Windows (IBM?!?!) cross-platform, then it would have to be 100% Javascript, which means that it would not contain ANY PART of Norton Utilities. And secondly, most virus authors in the PC world don't bother to learn anything about Mac, certainly not enough to write a cross-platform virus. Mac and PC are completely different internally, and writing a virus for both would be very difficult and time-consuming. >Pass this warning along to EVERYONE in your >address book and please share it with all your >online friends ASAP so that this threat may be >stopped. Please don't pass this e-mail on to anyone. There is nothing worse than virus spam that clogs up people's e-mail box. If anyone is using Outlook Express or Outlook 2000 for their e-mail, they are vulnerable. If they are using Netscape or Eudora or an online e-mail service such as Hotmail, then there is at least 1 layer of defense between you and any virus. That layer is that you have to be stupid enough to double-click on an attachment that says 'I'm cool, RUN ME!' or 'Real Men Love Jesus' or some fluffy garbage like that. >Please practice cautionary measures and >tell anyone that may have access to your >computer. I've asked my roommates not to run e-mail software of any kind on my computer. All 3 of us use Hotmail, thus we are impervious. Also, if we WERE dumb enough to download an executable e-mail attachment, there is always the latest McAfee virus scanner running at Hotmail.com that checks all attachments before download. Morgan _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 10:35 pm Subject: LISTOWNER: OT: Annoying banner ads & list servers OK. here's the deal with the banner ads: I have gone back and forth on this and decided to keep the list here at egroups.com mainly because I went through a lot of trouble to get the old uwp archives installed here so that you and I could permanently reference them, and it would be almost impossible to port them over to another list. Here were my choices: 1) I could port over to my own system (webboards) 2) I could move the list over to Topica.com or other service (tadream is already established there, but no archives) 3) I could pay $60 out of my pocket to keep the ads away for a year So, I'm going to pay the $60, mainly for the ongoing access to the archives, but also to simply avoid the hassle of moving. I will do this after this payday, Sept. 15. It sure would be nice if any of you could pitch in to help with this cost. If you feel so inclined, for any amount, I will greatly appreciate it. The easiest way to do this would be to use paypal.com. If you haven't signed up for it yet, good news: just by signing up with the link below, I get $5. So you really don't have to send me anything; just sign up and you'll be contributing (not that I wouldn't appreciate any more!). Here is the link: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com For info on the egroups no-ads option: http://www.egroups.com/info/noads.html Thank you! Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Folkvord [mailto:folkvord@n...] > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 5:20 PM > To: tadream@egroups.com > Subject: SV: SV: [tadream] OT: Annoying banner ads & list servers > > > Paul, > > >I beg to differ, I find it very annoying when the second half of my > messages > >get cut off! Top or bottom, the message is still gibberish if it's > >incomplete... > > What do you mean? Ads cut off your messages? > > Its factual statistics from eGroups and other similar > services that bottom > ads receive very few complaints compared to top ads. I > understand if you > dont like bottom ads either, but the majority of people tolerate them. > > glenn > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23944 Re: LISTOWNER: OT: Annoying banner ads & list s j.gordon Tue 9/12/2000 2 KB 23951 Re: LISTOWNER: OT: Annoying banner ads & list s Joe Shoults Tue 9/12/2000 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 10:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Virus Alert Thanks, Morgan, for explaining how bad, bad, bad virus alerts are. You are absolutely correct. Please, no matter how urgent it seems, don't send virus alerts to this list. Thanks, Joe listowner > -----Original Message----- > From: Feldon Feldon [mailto:feldon23@h...] ... > There is little in this universe worse than virus spam. From: 'con31pitlane' Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 10:53 pm Subject: EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXIST > So you're telling me that I'd be better off without the last 13 years of TD music, even though I happen to like most of it? I will not argue the point any further... except to say The following sold their souls...to the music devil and lost their 'way' Edgar Froese after 1987 Chris Fanke after 1987 Peter Baumann after 1977 There are some good moments on the way.....but also many bad ones. Q. Does Jerome Froese EXIST... what does he do? As he sounds exactly like Edgar Froese. My favourite TD album is RUBYCON. Q. Does anyone have a copy of GRAND CANYON - TOMITA for sale ? Am I going to get more emails on this subject......you bet ?! R Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23934 Re: EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXIST Feldon Feldon Mon 9/11/2000 2 KB 23935 Re: EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXIST Marcel Engels Mon 9/11/2000 2 KB 23936 EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXIST con31pitlane Mon 9/11/2000 2 KB 23938 Re: EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXIST quarlie@a... Mon 9/11/2000 1 KB 23940 Re: EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXIST Gabe Yedid Tue 9/12/2000 6 KB 23941 Re: EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXIST Joe Shoults Tue 9/12/2000 2 KB 23965 Re: EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXIST aoutland@a... Thu 9/14/2000 3 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 10:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXIST >From: 'con31pitlane' > >There are some good moments on the way.....but also many bad ones. > >Q. Does Jerome Froese EXIST... what does he do? >As he sounds exactly like Edgar Froese. Ok, this is a crock of shit. Dude, either learn tolerance for all Tangerine Dream, or pack up. -Morgan _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 10:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXIST > From: con31pitlane [mailto:con31@t...] > > The following sold their souls...to the music devil and lost their 'way' > > Edgar Froese after 1987 > Chris Fanke after 1987 > Peter Baumann after 1977 Hmm Peter did make a fine solo album in 1979. And Franke's London Concert is quite good too. Marcel From: 'con31pitlane' Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 11:36 pm Subject: EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXIST >>Ok, this is a crock of shit. Dude, either learn tolerance for all Tangerine Dream, or pack up. Ok, this is a crock of shit. << Rubbish.... you have NO ARGUMENT ?! Sorry NO tolerance...the arguement here is Does Jerome do anything or is he living on TD history ?! Does the TD sound 'now' justify carrying on ? Can they justify people paying money for their 'products'. Agreed all music is Personal and subjective... but EF is meddling with the past? Why ?? This arguement could carry on forever and you lot don't know how to argue...? R From: 'con31pitlane' Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 11:48 pm Subject: EF MORE PLEASE ..... Well I suppose you are RIGHT.. Mr Froese has given us such great Music... Like MACULA TRANSFER , EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE AQUA MARS POLARIS MELROSE OPTICAL RACE RUBYCON LILLY ON THE BEACH WHAT A BLAST GREAT WALL OF CHINE and Many other GREAT ALBUMS... there are a few bad ones but THE GOOD Ones More than COMPENSATE ...! and Chris Franke In reality he has brought out many good albums since 1987 As have PB and CF... Well Babylon 5 is OK if you listen to them a few times... Apologies Everyone... I got carried away. R From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon Sep 11, 2000 11:48 pm Subject: Re: EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXIST In a message dated 9/11/00 6:44:13 PM, con31@t... writes: >My favourite TD album is RUBYCON. Mine too. How strange that we actually agree on something. ;) --Daniel From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 1:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] YPSILON/EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE: still rules after all this t... << YSPSILON (aka EPSILON) is still my fave TD-related recording of all time. -- Steven Feldman >> *Ditto....that's why I couldn't understand why someone said Ambient Monkeys sounded like it (?) Poly From: Gabe Yedid Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 2:18 am Subject: RE: [tadream] EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXIST >===== Original Message From 'con31pitlane' ===== >>>Ok, this is a crock of shit. > >Dude, either learn tolerance for all Tangerine Dream, or pack up. >Ok, this is a crock of shit. << > >Rubbish.... you have NO ARGUMENT ?! > >Sorry NO tolerance...the arguement here is >Does Jerome do anything or is he living on TD history ?! Well, I guess there's no way of giving a convincing answer to this if you don't want to hear it. I think most people here, whether or not they like what Jerome has brought to TD, would agree that he has done a tremendous amount for the band--whether it's worth listening to is a matter of taste. At the very least, certainly, if not for Jerome, we wouldn't have had any Dream Mixes. Given your previous invective, though, you seem to be the type who's so busy hating newer TD (given your previous invective) that you'd refuse to hear Jerome's influence on the music even if all the details could be meticulously pointed out to you. >Does the TD sound 'now' justify carrying on ? Again, this is a personal question that only you can answer. TD themselves will carry as long as Edgar and/or Jerome find it artistically satisfying and financially feasible to do so. Whether or not you want to carry on with them is entirely up to you. >Can they justify people paying money for their 'products'. Sure, maybe TDI albums shouldn't have such inflated prices--especially when their 'competition' have masterful marketing strategies, especially with regard to box sets--since it does make us feel like we're paying extra for the name, But why should we have any of it for free? They--like any other artists--do have to support themselves somehow, after all, whether it's through selling albums (now) or DLing files for money (in the near future). As for the other merchandise (like the T-shirts and watches), usually only the most rabid collectors bite, but it's their money to spend. >Agreed all music is Personal and subjective... >but EF is meddling with the past? Why ?? In some cases, like the Tangents and Dream Roots box sets, it's to give us something different from the originals, which we already all have and know well. It becomes somewhat harder to justify when unreleased 'classic' recordings are tweaked, especially when the alterations are so extensive that they pretty much blot out the originals. What it says to me, at least, is that Edgar believes in a very high degree of creative control and artistic license, and he thinks it's more important to impose his new perspective instead of just simply dredging up the past. Why? Maybe he sees no difference between released and unreleased old material. Maybe he really isn't satisfied with the way the old material sounds as is, and feels the need to constantly update and 'improve' it, so that it keeps to whatever his personal vision of TD happens to be at the time. Maybe he keeps doing it because he keeps getting away with it (we still buy the things, don't we?), maybe it's because he thinks that we share his views on altering the past (a lot of us don't). We've already argued this back and forth until we get seasick, and we still have no satisfactory answer. Edgar is the artist and only he knows for sure why he does it. Not all of us like it and support it unequivocally, and there are some really good arguments against it (e.g. it keeps the bootleggers in business), but it happens. When will it stop? When will Edgar come to espouse the same views on historical integrity many of here share? [Maybe he's starting to, as evidenced by the unaltered material on _Antique Dreams_.] When will the lack of sales of the altered material become so low that it actually hurts TD where it counts most--in their pocketbook? That's action that TD fandom, as a whole, has to act on. >This arguement could carry on forever and you lot don't >know how to argue...? We know how to argue, we just don't don't like getting dragged into the dark quagmire that obvious trolling like this represents. Gabe ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 5:06 am Subject: RE: [tadream] EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXIST Well articulated, Gabe! Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gabe Yedid' ...===== > > >This arguement could carry on forever and you lot don't > >know how to argue...? > > We know how to argue, we just don't don't like getting dragged into the dark > quagmire that obvious trolling like this represents. > From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 6:42 am Subject: 1975 TD tour programme on eBAY Hi there, for some of you die-hard TD fans it may be of interest that I'm offering a copy of TD's October 1975 tour programme on eBAY. It's in absolutely mint condition which makes it even more special. You can see it under... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=436059879 Heiko n.p.: Jiannis + Lambert: Timeless vision From: 'Thomas' Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 7:15 am Subject: SV: [tadream] EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXIST 'con31pitlane' > This arguement could carry on forever and you lot don't know how to argue...? * You assume a lot! Maybe we can argue, but don't... ?! Thomas the Viking Helsingborg, Sweden Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23980 SV: [tadream] EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXI Glenn Folkvord Fri 9/15/2000 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 7:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] LISTOWNER: OT: Annoying banner ads & list servers > So, I'm going to pay the $60, mainly for the ongoing access to the archives, > but also to simply avoid the hassle of moving. I will do this after this > payday, Sept. 15. It sure would be nice if any of you could pitch in to > help with this cost. If you feel so inclined, for any amount, I will > greatly appreciate it. hey, joe... i'm in for five bucks... i use paypal and will transfer the money in the next couple of days... thanks, man... i hate these banners... j.gordon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: Bert.Hulshoff@N... Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 8:37 am Subject: RE: [tadream] YPSILON/EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE: still rules afte r all this t... Well Poly the reason why I compared Epsylon with A.M. is that when I listened to them I had almost the same dream ;-) not that it was the same kind of music. greetings Bert btw. Epsylon is one of my fav's > ---------- > > > << YSPSILON (aka EPSILON) is still my fave TD-related > recording of all time. > > -- Steven Feldman >> > > *Ditto....that's why I couldn't understand why someone said Ambient > Monkeys > sounded like it (?) > Poly > From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 8:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] YPSILON/EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE: still rules afte r all this ... << Well Poly the reason why I compared Epsylon with A.M. is that when I listened to them I had almost the same dream ;-) not that it was the same kind of music. *Ahh I see ;-) It's not a bad album, I don't regret buying it at all, but my mouth was watering at the suggestion of EIMP... So far the closest I've heard in capturing the spirit of EIMP is Cosmic Hoffman's 'The Gates of Lahore' off of Beyond the Galaxy... long luscious mellotron waves....mmmmmmm... Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23952 Re: YPSILON/EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE: still rule Marcel Engels Tue 9/12/2000 3 KB 23953 Re: YPSILON/EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE: still rule Synthhtnys@a... Tue 9/12/2000 2 KB 23955 Re: YPSILON/EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE: still rule Marcel Engels Tue 9/12/2000 2 KB From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 9:24 am Subject: Hoenig Hi all, Could anyone give me Info. on Rias by Michael Hoenig. 1) Is it official release or bootleg? and 2) Is it similar, music-wise, to X-cept one? Retiring for now, Olle Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23948 Re: Hoenig Heiko Heerssen Tue 9/12/2000 2 KB 23949 Re: Hoenig Synthhtnys@a... Tue 9/12/2000 2 KB 24001 Re: Hoenig Nigelsan@a... Mon 9/18/2000 2 KB 24020 Re: Hoenig Synthhtnys@a... Tue 9/19/2000 2 KB 24022 Hoenig is busy. con31pitlane Tue 9/19/2000 2 KB 24038 Re: Hoenig tom george Wed 9/20/2000 2 KB 24050 Re: Hoenig David Foster Wed 9/20/2000 2 KB 24052 Re: Hoenig Synthhtnys@a... Wed 9/20/2000 2 KB 24086 Re: Hoenig Nigelsan@a... Sun 9/24/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 9:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Hoenig olle.rundgren@s... wrote: > Could anyone give me Info. on Rias by Michael Hoenig. 1) Is it official > release or bootleg? and 2) Is it similar, music-wise, to X-cept one? I guess you mean the RIAS-FM broadcast from 1977 (ca. 30 mins, 1 track). Soundwise it's pretty close to TD's performance in April 1975 at the London Royal Albert Hall....in one word: essential ;-) Heiko P.S.: '7 letters from Tibet'....track 3 (The golden heart) really has that special kind of magic which made me become a TD addict From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 9:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Hoenig << Hi all, Could anyone give me Info. on Rias by Michael Hoenig. 1) Is it official release or bootleg? and 2) Is it similar, music-wise, to X-cept one? Retiring for now, Olle >> *I agree with Heiko... Essential. Though it's Hoenig playing Departure live... and he IS playing it live.. there's no backing tapes here. You can see that he composed the piece he is playing the themes very much like the album... Highest recommends Poly From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 11:29 am Subject: D:[Soundtracks] Hollywood years 1 & 2 To be honest I haven't listened to HY for quite a while now, therefore I can't give detailed descriptions about what song I like most or which I find the weakest track on these albums. But it took some time to grow on me..and it did (like 7 letters from Tibet does right now...) I would highly recommend Volume 1 which has a variety of melodic and memorable tracks. Many people have complained that there was no reference about to which soundtracks those pieces were composed for....it would have been interesting just to hear the original 'thoughts' because most of the tracks on HY 1&2 sound like if they were played at a much later date (1998?). To compile these tracks and to re-arrange them for release must have been a 'tangentizer's paradise' for Edgar ~LOL~ Volume 2 doesn't do that much for me. After a while I lose interest and (IMO) it's plain to see that he saved the worst for last. Maybe it would have been better to release just 1 cd with all the really interesting music. One thing was VERY annoying when I bought those two cd's....instead of releasing them as a double cd set at a reduced price Edgar released two individual cd's at regular prices. I can't remember the release schedule no more but I think both came out on the same day (or just a couple days/weeks apart). The same goes for 'Atlantic walls' & 'Atlantic bridges', why not release just one double cd set? Yes, those money craving folks.... Heiko n.p.: Jiannis: Paramorphon From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 3:11 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] LISTOWNER: OT: Annoying banner ads & list servers Something I forgot: _YOU_ also get $5 when you sign up for paypal. We both get $5 each from paypal when you sign up with the link, and you pay nothing for this. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joes@f...] ... > paypal.com. If you haven't signed up for it yet, good news: just by > signing up with the link below, I get $5. So you really ... > Here is the link: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=joes%40yourplacepc.com > From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 4:01 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] YPSILON/EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE: still rules afte r all this ... > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > > *Ahh I see ;-) It's not a bad album, I don't regret buying it > at all, but > my > mouth was watering at the suggestion of EIMP... So far the > closest I've heard > in > capturing the spirit of EIMP is Cosmic Hoffman's 'The Gates of Lahore' off > of Beyond the Galaxy... long luscious mellotron waves....mmmmmmm... It's a fine album yes...but imo not like EIMP. I somehow don't like the 'long mellotron waves'...it's just not right knowing that the thing can only sound 7 seconds. :-) Plus I don't like too much reverb on it. Just listen to Phaedra or Rubycon...there not too much reverb on it or at least I can hear someone actually playing that thing. What I hear lately is a lot of those long chords/pads sounds... Personally (and this is all imo of course) I don't like that at all. Hmmm...unless it's Coefficient. I love that string-machine at the beginning. :-) But even in this recording you can definitely hear Baumann playing the 'flute'. Ah well...it's all very personal of course...everybody has their own taste. Sadly I didn't listen to 7 letters at E-Live...somehow I forgot it...but the clip on the net sounded very interesting. (and I haven't said that in the last 10 years or so...if it means something :-)). I wonder what Edgar thinks of Epsilon nowadays... Luckily it was released already otherwise we may ended up with an updated version...yuk! Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee mengels@w... From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 4:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] YPSILON/EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE: still rules afte r all this ... << So far the closest I've heard in > capturing the spirit of EIMP is Cosmic Hoffman's 'The Gates of Lahore' off > of Beyond the Galaxy... long luscious mellotron waves....mmmmmmm... It's a fine album yes...but imo not like EIMP. *Errrr, not the whole album, just 'The Gates of Lahore'... Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23955 Re: YPSILON/EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE: still rule Marcel Engels Tue 9/12/2000 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 5:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] YPSILON/EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE: still rules afte r all this ... Marcel Engels wrote: > I wonder what Edgar thinks of Epsilon nowadays... > Luckily it was released already otherwise we may ended up > with an updated version...yuk! Hey Marcel, don't give him new ideas... Oh no, too late, he has done it already - Beyond the Storm, disc 2, track 3. Antonio Nunes From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 6:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] YPSILON/EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE: still rules afte r all this ... > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > > *Errrr, not the whole album, just 'The Gates of Lahore'... > Poly Hahaha...okay. I'm still recovering from E-Live I guess. Mars From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 9:25 pm Subject: Re : SV: SV: [tadream] OT: Annoying banner ads & list servers No, I mean the actual BODY of the message, the message itself, you know, you're cut off in mid flow by an advert that interests absolutely no-one, in fact just annoys people and causes a wave of backlash messages...like this one! Paul ---------- >De : 'Glenn Folkvord' >À : >Objet : SV: SV: [tadream] OT: Annoying banner ads & list servers >Date : Lun 11 sep 2000 23:19 > > Paul, > >>I beg to differ, I find it very annoying when the second half of my > messages >>get cut off! Top or bottom, the message is still gibberish if it's >>incomplete... > > What do you mean? Ads cut off your messages? > > Its factual statistics from eGroups and other similar services that bottom > ads receive very few complaints compared to top ads. I understand if you > dont like bottom ads either, but the majority of people tolerate them. > > glenn > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 1:22 am Subject: SV: SV: SV: [tadream] OT: Annoying banner ads & list servers Paul, >No, I mean the actual BODY of the message, the message itself, you know, >you're cut off in mid flow by an advert that interests absolutely no-one, in >fact just annoys people and causes a wave of backlash messages...like this >one! Hmm, I have never seens ads in the middle of messages....... glenn From: horrod6 Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 5:41 pm Subject: Apologies all round Gabe - I'm sorry if my reference to artofvision sounded like it needed a 'defense' - it wasn't meant that way at all. And I also apologise for not finding out exactly who that list is intended for before writing about it. Frank - on re-reading my reply to you, I realise that the last bit could be interpreted as somewhat hostile. It was most emphatically _not_ meant that way. Grovel, grovel Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23960 Re: Apologies all round Frank Arellano Wed 9/13/2000 4 KB From: Bag Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 7:41 pm Subject: Your favourite dream Hello Tadreamers, Here are complete results of your voting on my homepage: SEPTEMBER 2000 ==================================================== A B C D E ---------------------------------------------------- 1 [ 1] Ricochet 152 42 2 [ 2] Stratosfear 96 24 3 [ 3] Poland 95 33 4 [ 4] Logos 86 26 5 [ 9] Force Majeure 63 17 6 [ 8] Mars Polaris 47 17 7 [ 5] Encore 41 17 8 [11] Pergamon 41 13 9 [10] White Eagle 35 13 10 [ 6] Hyperborea 33 9 ---------------------------------------------------- 11 [ 7] Live Miles 32 12 12 [12] Exit 31 13 13 [ N] Tangram 29 9 14 [13] Tyger 25 9 15 [18] Rubycon 25 9 16 [14] Melrose 23 9 17 [17] 220 Volt 23 9 18 [15] Tournado 21 7 19 [26] Firestarter 17 5 20 [19] The Man Inside 16 4 21 [20] Underwater Sunlight 15 7 22 [20] Flashpoint 14 8 23 [16] Phaedra 14 6 24 [28] Goblins Club 8 2 [ N] Timesquare 8 2 26 [20] Turn Of The Tides 6 2 27 [31] Lily On The Beach 5 3 28 [20] Optical Race 5 1 [24] Alpha Centauri 5 1 [24] Valentine Wheels 5 1 31 [26] Quinoa 4 2 [28] Sorcerer 4 2 [34] The Keep 4 2 34 [28] Green Desert 3 1 [ N] Atem 3 1 [ N] Cyclone 3 1 [ N] Thief 3 1 38 [31] Electronic Meditations 2 2 [31] Great Wall Of China 2 2 40 [ N] Canyon Dreams 1 1 [ N] Dream Mixes 1 1 [ N] Oasis 1 1 [ N] Transsiberia 1 1 ================================================== [A-position][B-previous month][C-title] [D-points][E-votes] *number of voters: 117 -- Regards from Poland Bag ---------------------- bag@a... http://tadream.ac.pl/ ---------------------- Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23962 Re: Your favourite dream Frank Arellano Wed 9/13/2000 5 KB 23968 Re: Your favourite dream Bag Thu 9/14/2000 2 KB 23977 Re: Your favourite dream =?iso-8859-1?q?Roger=20Hartop Thu 9/14/2000 5 KB 24363 Your favourite dream Bag Fri 10/13/2000 4 KB 25094 Your favourite dream Bag Fri 11/17/2000 4 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 9:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Apologies all round Marion, no need to apologize. Unfortunately, internet communication can be misinterpreted and misconstrued. When I had said, 'just joking' I wanted to make clear that I really was not a male chauvinist, just a joker. On your initial response I did think that you were sticking your tongue out at me and that maybe I had hit a sensitive nerve with a feminist. Also when I had said that you had hurt my 'feelings', that's just another example of my sarcastic sense of humor shining through based on a little history when my son was about four years old. Yeah, my tongue and sense of humor gets me in trouble too, too often. I'd never make it as a politician, I'm too damn honest for my own good. Humorously, my co-workers made me an award for 'Bad Guy Of Year ' [ I had won the Bad Guy Of The Week Award so many times] and have nicknamed me the 'Renegade' or 'Rebel', which I found ironic and funny, because I was called that in the military too. :-) What does that tell you? Well, I'd like to think that I'm just not your average tom cat :-) Hope to see everyone at the up and coming swampfest. Here's where Frank puts his own footer, 'Maybe when these other groups come up with another 10-15 great releases we will consider a change of the gods'. Right, Heiko? :-) NP Pergamon, again :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'horrod6' To: 'tadream@o...' Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:41 AM Subject: [tadream] Apologies all round > > Gabe - I'm sorry if my reference to artofvision sounded like it needed a > 'defense' - it wasn't meant that way at all. And I also apologise for > not finding out exactly who that list is intended for before writing > about it. > > Frank - on re-reading my reply to you, I realise that the last bit could > be interpreted as somewhat hostile. It was most emphatically _not_ meant > that way. > > Grovel, grovel > > Marion > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > From: 'con31pitlane' Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 10:04 pm Subject: THEREMIN AND BOB MOOG and E Music Might be of interest ....? Showtime is running the film 'Theremin' at 7:45AM Thursday morning. That's East coast time, may be different elsewhere. A chance to see the man himself , he died just about the same time the film was released. You'll also see interviews with Bob Moog and you'll see the mesmerizing Theremin playing of Clara Rockmore. Not a perfect film and rather sad in many ways but still worth seeing for synthesists, musicians, aficionados of musical innovations, etc. R Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23963 Re: THEREMIN AND BOB MOOG and E Music Joe Shoults Wed 9/13/2000 2 KB 23966 Re: THEREMIN AND BOB MOOG and E Music Bennett Cookson Thu 9/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Frank Arellano' Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 11:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Your favourite dream Very nice! But one or two comments: 1. If you had a top six or five with the point values of 6,5,4,3,2,1 rather than 5,3 and 1, it would be a little more accurate and indicative. That would more accurately reflect titles such as Canyon Dreams, Oasis, Dream Mixes and Thief that scored so low on this scale IMO. I'm very curious who everyone individually chose. Just a matter of knowing people's tastes. Frank Arellano From: 'Bag' To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 1:41 PM Subject: [tadream] Your favourite dream > > Hello Tadreamers, > > Here are complete results of your voting on my homepage: > > > SEPTEMBER 2000 > ==================================================== > A B C D E > ---------------------------------------------------- > 1 [ 1] Ricochet 152 42 > 2 [ 2] Stratosfear 96 24 > 3 [ 3] Poland 95 33 > 4 [ 4] Logos 86 26 > 5 [ 9] Force Majeure 63 17 > 6 [ 8] Mars Polaris 47 17 > 7 [ 5] Encore 41 17 > 8 [11] Pergamon 41 13 > 9 [10] White Eagle 35 13 > 10 [ 6] Hyperborea 33 9 > ---------------------------------------------------- > 11 [ 7] Live Miles 32 12 > 12 [12] Exit 31 13 > 13 [ N] Tangram 29 9 > 14 [13] Tyger 25 9 > 15 [18] Rubycon 25 9 > 16 [14] Melrose 23 9 > 17 [17] 220 Volt 23 9 > 18 [15] Tournado 21 7 > 19 [26] Firestarter 17 5 > 20 [19] The Man Inside 16 4 > 21 [20] Underwater Sunlight 15 7 > 22 [20] Flashpoint 14 8 > 23 [16] Phaedra 14 6 > 24 [28] Goblins Club 8 2 > [ N] Timesquare 8 2 > 26 [20] Turn Of The Tides 6 2 > 27 [31] Lily On The Beach 5 3 > 28 [20] Optical Race 5 1 > [24] Alpha Centauri 5 1 > [24] Valentine Wheels 5 1 > 31 [26] Quinoa 4 2 > [28] Sorcerer 4 2 > [34] The Keep 4 2 > 34 [28] Green Desert 3 1 > [ N] Atem 3 1 > [ N] Cyclone 3 1 > [ N] Thief 3 1 > 38 [31] Electronic Meditations 2 2 > [31] Great Wall Of China 2 2 > 40 [ N] Canyon Dreams 1 1 > [ N] Dream Mixes 1 1 > [ N] Oasis 1 1 > [ N] Transsiberia 1 1 > ================================================== > [A-position][B-previous month][C-title] > [D-points][E-votes] > > *number of voters: 117 > > -- > Regards from Poland > Bag > ---------------------- > bag@a... > http://tadream.ac.pl/ > ---------------------- > > > > PLEASE EDIT UNNECESSARY TEXT FROM YOUR MESSAGES. > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@o... > Website: http://www.tadream.net > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23968 Re: Your favourite dream Bag Thu 9/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 11:51 pm Subject: Re: THEREMIN AND BOB MOOG and E Music I have tried to find this movie at the libraries and video stores to no avail. I don't have Showtime; if anybody tapes it, please let me know off-list. Thanks, Joe --- In tadream@egroups.com, 'con31pitlane' wrote: > Might be of interest ....? > > > Showtime is running the film 'Theremin' at 7:45AM Thursday morning. > That's East coast time, may be different elsewhere. A chance to see the man > himself , he died just about the same time the film was released. You'll > also see interviews with Bob Moog and you'll see the mesmerizing > Theremin playing of Clara Rockmore. > Not a perfect film and rather sad in many ways but still worth seeing for > synthesists, musicians, aficionados of musical innovations, etc. > > R From: 'Neil Perryman' Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 12:58 am Subject: A solution to the advertising banner problem I understand that you are sick to the back teeth of advertising banners on egroups. I can offer you the perfect - and absolutely free - solution. I am a Tangerine Dream fan who runs his own on-line conferencing/mailing list community called The Eclipse Cafe. It's linked to a sci-fi site but a Tangerine Dream conference could be set up quickly and easily if you so desired. It could exist independently, with only members of this list able to read and access it, or it could even be moderated if you so wish. Alternatively, it could exist as an addition to the Cafe itself. I stumbled on your plight because a member of the Cafe is a TD fan (as our another 2 members by some strange coincidence!). This is because the Cafe emerged from an egroups mailing list just like this one called Views from the Gallery that was dedicated to Babylon 5 (hence the TD connection!) We too got sick of egroups' speed, reliability and advertising. So we struck out on our own. What is does give you is full e-mail support. You can read, reply and post new threads via e-mail. There is no advertising. This is a purely non-profit making venture. The Eclipse Cafe also offers chat rooms, real-time paging, web-cams and loads more. I could even set up a TD Cafe web page up for news and info if you like. No charge! We have around 15 - 20 active posters and many more lurkers, with membership growing all the time with the launch of the sci-fi site linked to the Cafe. But it's also small and cozy. You wouldn't have to be bothered by topics not related to TD if you so wished. Anyway, come over, join up or login as a guest and take a look at what we offer. If you like what you see, say the word and I'll set up the forum for you. The address is: http://www.eclipsecafe.com Neil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23967 Re: A solution to the advertising banner problem Neil Perryman Thu 9/14/2000 2 KB 23969 Re: A solution to the advertising banner problem shoults Thu 9/14/2000 3 KB 23975 Re: A solution to the advertising banner problem Neil Perryman Thu 9/14/2000 2 KB 23972 Re: A solution to the advertising banner problem Antonio Nunes Thu 9/14/2000 2 KB 23973 A solution to the advertising banner problem (whi Kees Thu 9/14/2000 3 KB 23974 Re: A solution to the advertising banner problem Neil Perryman Thu 9/14/2000 3 KB 23976 Re: A solution to the advertising banner problem Joe Shoults Thu 9/14/2000 2 KB From: aoutland@a... Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 1:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXIST In a message dated 09/11/2000 7:26:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, con31@t... writes: << This argument could carry on forever and you lot don't know how to argue...? >> Arguing is pointless unless there is something to win at stake. There is nothing to gain here: you either like TD and spend your money on them, or you don't. Why do you think TD has to 'justify' themselves to anyone if they freely choose to spend? A good debate would be nice perhaps, but throwing epithets and slander around will not sway anybody. That said, maybe we can turn this into a good debate regarding Jerome's influence on the band's sound. I'm of the opinion his impact has been to turn to a younger, stronger sound which has kept the band on at least equal terms with the ever changing style of music. No, I don't like everything, but I don't dislike everything either and, in fact, find many of the songs attributed to Jerome to be excellent. Yes, I miss the old days which I have been fortunate enough to only recently discover, but there were a lot of misplaced sounds there too. I am glad TD have not stagnated over the years. I doubt we would all be here today if all we had to debate was yet another Rubycon. So lighten up, leave out the name calling slander, and give your ideas with (I repeat) respect. 8-) Dell From: Bennett Cookson Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 1:31 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: THEREMIN AND BOB MOOG and E Music Theremin-Electronic Odyssey is available at www.buy.com (and they are having a Free shipping sale tonight) --Bennett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Neil Perryman' Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 1:49 am Subject: Re: A solution to the advertising banner problem Sorry, I just looked back through the initial thread about advertising banners, when I noticed that your listmanager has Webboard already (if I read it right). As for lack of archiving deterring you from moving anywhere in the future, just shut down the list so now one can post, with the last message stating the move and new url, and then link back to the group so it can still be used as an archive. Just in case you really get fed up of egroups. Neil http://www.eclipsecafe.com From: Bag Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 3:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Your favourite dream Frank wrote: > Very nice! But one or two comments: 1. If you had a top six or five with > the point values of 6,5,4,3,2,1 rather than 5,3 and 1, it would be a little > more accurate and indicative. That would more accurately reflect titles such > as Canyon Dreams, Oasis, Dream Mixes and Thief that scored so low on this > scale IMO. I'm very curious who everyone individually chose. Just a matter > of knowing people's tastes. Frank Arellano Maybe you're right, but only hard-core Tadreamers want to vote for more than three albums. Sometimes 'ordinary people' vote for only one. If you visit my homepage, you will see only the top ten ranking, whole results are only available on Polish TD List and here (if you want to, of course). Sorry for my English. -- Regards Bag ---------------------- bag@a... http://tadream.ac.pl/ ---------------------- From: 'shoults' Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 6:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: A solution to the advertising banner problem Yes, I thought about that, and you can link to the archive - or a search string in it- and I may do that eventually. However, the landscape at work has changed a bit; i.e. I had to move tadream.net off the server there when they did an inventory. I have another egroups list for which I removed the banners, and it works fine. But everything about Webboards is better. I'm working on another project with it, and I'll see how receptive my IS dude is with porting and how permanent it may or may not be (. I just don't want to be lugging it around to any place with no guarantees. You're right- what you descibe is pretty much the way it would happen, except that I might lock up the egroups version with the Webboars version feeding their database, so you could do a search from either the new or old (or both). Joe np: KS- Dune ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Neil Perryman' ... > Sorry, I just looked back through the initial thread about advertising > banners, when I noticed that your listmanager has Webboard already > (if I read it right). As for lack of archiving deterring you from > moving anywhere in the future, just shut down the list so now one can > post, with the last message stating the move and new url, and then > link back to the group so it can still be used as an archive. Just in > case you really get fed up of egroups. > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23975 Re: A solution to the advertising banner problem Neil Perryman Thu 9/14/2000 2 KB From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 5:46 am Subject: Re : [tadream] A solution to the advertising banner problem Hi all, This sounds ideal, why don't we go for it? Paul ---------- >De : 'Neil Perryman' >À : tadream@egroups.com >Objet : [tadream] A solution to the advertising banner problem >Date : Jeu 14 sep 2000 2:58 > > > I understand that you are sick to the back teeth of advertising > banners on egroups. I can offer you the perfect - and absolutely > free - solution. > > I am a Tangerine Dream fan who runs his own on-line > conferencing/mailing list community called The Eclipse Cafe. It's > linked to a sci-fi site but a Tangerine Dream conference could be set > up quickly and easily if you so desired. It could exist > independently, with only members of this list able to read and access > it, or it could even be moderated if you so wish. Alternatively, it > could exist as an addition to the Cafe itself. > > I stumbled on your plight because a member of the Cafe is a TD fan > (as our another 2 members by some strange coincidence!). This is > because the Cafe emerged from an egroups mailing list just like this > one called Views from the Gallery that was dedicated to Babylon 5 > (hence the TD connection!) We too got sick of egroups' speed, > reliability and advertising. So we struck out on our own. > > What is does give you is full e-mail support. You can read, reply and > post new threads via e-mail. There is no advertising. This is a > purely non-profit making venture. > > The Eclipse Cafe also offers chat rooms, real-time paging, web-cams > and loads more. I could even set up a TD Cafe web page up for news > and info if you like. No charge! > > We have around 15 - 20 active posters and many more lurkers, with > membership growing all the time with the launch of the sci-fi site > linked to the Cafe. But it's also small and cozy. You wouldn't have > to be bothered by topics not related to TD if you so wished. > > Anyway, come over, join up or login as a guest and take a look at > what we offer. If you like what you see, say the word and I'll set up > the forum for you. > > The address is: http://www.eclipsecafe.com > > Neil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23971 Re: Re : [tadream] A solution to the advertising Heiko Heerssen Thu 9/14/2000 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 8:05 am Subject: Re: Re : [tadream] A solution to the advertising banner problem Paul Fellows wrote: > Hi all, > > This sounds ideal, why don't we go for it? Count me in.... Heiko From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 11:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A solution to the advertising banner problem Perhaps I'm missing something here, but I don't understand why is everybody so upset with 4 or 5 lines of text at the beginning of the messages. IMHO this is not worse than the unsubscribe instructions from the old tadream list. The older members will remember the infamous '...Complaining here is useless' phrase. After a few days people got used to it, and I think that the same will happen with these advertising banners. As for the alternative offered by Neil Perryman, personally I would not jump from a something.com to a something.else.com even if it is said to be free. By definition a something.com will never be completely free, and sooner or later you might have the same advertising problems as in Egroups. Personally I'm happy with Egroups, and now I'm so used to the advertising banners that I don't 'see' them anymore. Ask me if today's messages had banners or not, and my answer would be I don't know, I didn't notice them at all! Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23973 A solution to the advertising banner problem (whi Kees Thu 9/14/2000 3 KB 23974 Re: A solution to the advertising banner problem Neil Perryman Thu 9/14/2000 3 KB From: Kees Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 12:10 pm Subject: A solution to the advertising banner problem (which problem?) At 12:50 14-9-00 +0100, you wrote: >Perhaps I'm missing something here, but I don't understand why is >everybody so upset with 4 or 5 lines of text at the beginning of the >messages. IMHO this is not worse than the unsubscribe instructions from >the old tadream list. The older members will remember the infamous >'...Complaining here is useless' phrase. After a few days people got >used to it, and I think that the same will happen with these advertising >banners. > >As for the alternative offered by Neil Perryman, personally I would not >jump from a something.com to a something.else.com even if it is said to >be free. By definition a something.com will never be completely free, >and sooner or later you might have the same advertising problems as in >Egroups. > >Personally I'm happy with Egroups, and now I'm so used to the >advertising banners that I don't 'see' them anymore. Ask me if today's >messages had banners or not, and my answer would be I don't know, I >didn't notice them at all! > >Antonio Nunes I must say that I agree with Antonio. The talk about these small banners seems more a waste of time than the banners itself (no offence intended). np: Cosmic Hoffmann live at E-live 2000. All the best. Kees ------------------------------------------------------ For Electronic Music: Groove Unlimited http://www.groove.nl ---> Exercise your face... Smile :-) From: 'Neil Perryman' Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 12:22 pm Subject: Re: A solution to the advertising banner problem Antonio Nunes wrote: > As for the alternative offered by Neil Perryman, personally I would not > jump from a something.com to a something.else.com even if it is said to > be free. By definition a something.com will never be completely free, > and sooner or later you might have the same advertising problems as in Egroups. I can guarantee that would not happen. Ever. We are not a buisness in any shape or form - we are just a group of people who got fed up with egroups and struck out on our own. We have no intention of ever including advertisements or charging for services. The Eclipse Cafe is a very small but effective place that can handle your traffic quickly and easiy and with the minimum of fuss. Why don't you send a representative to try out all the features and then report back. Incidentally, even if you don't take up my offer (and of course I wouldn't blmae you if you didn't) everyone is still welcome to join in with our other forums. The more the merrier! Anyway, take care and I promise that, whatever is decided, Im looking forward to discussing TD with you nice people here or anywhere else! Neil From: 'Neil Perryman' Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 12:43 pm Subject: Re: A solution to the advertising banner problem 'shoults' wrote: > You're right- what you descibe is pretty much the way it would happen, > except that I might lock up the egroups version with the Webboars version > feeding their database, so you could do a search from either the new or old > (or both). If you want to move to the Eclipse Cafe we could easily set up that archiving for you. We are also currently working on an automatic archiver. One thing I forgot to mention: you would have complete autonomy over the TD conference - you could change all the options and no 3rd party would need to be involved. We find Webboard to be very reliable and user-friendly and I hope your own version (if you go for one) is just as successful. Neil http://www.eclipsecafe.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 1:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: A solution to the advertising banner problem hey neil- I'm *definitely* interested in this, but let's continue offlist. So that we keep the moderation team in the loop, please use this address: mailto:tadream-owner@e... Thanks, Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Perryman [mailto:neil.perryman@v...] ... > > We find Webboard to be very reliable and user-friendly and I hope > your own version (if you go for one) is just as successful. > From: Roger Hartopp Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 3:37 pm Subject: Re: Your favourite dream It's interesting to note how the votes went on Bag's web page during September compared to the poll conducted by myself for Radio Rak (also in Poland! Listed below is Bag's chart, and the Radio Rak positions are in brackets: > 1 [ 2] Ricochet > 2 [ 7] Stratosfear > 3 [ 3] Poland > 4 [ 8] Logos > 5 [ 6] Force Majeure > 6 [14] Mars Polaris > 7 [ 4] Encore > 8 [ 9] Pergamon > 9 [13] White Eagle > 10 [32] Hyperborea > ---------------------------------------------------- > 11 [12] Live Miles > 12 [17] Exit > 13 [ 1] Tangram > 14 [19] Tyger > 15 [ 5] Rubycon > 16 [18] Melrose > 17 [22] 220 Volt > 18 [27] Tournado > 19 [56] Firestarter > 20 [-] The Man Inside > 21 [11] Underwater Sunlight > 22 [37] Flashpoint > 23 [10] Phaedra > 24 [16] Goblins Club > [24] Timesquare > 26 [34] Turn Of The Tides > 27 [37] Lily On The Beach > 28 [21] Optical Race > [-] Alpha Centauri > [43] Valentine Wheels > 31 [-] Quinoa > [32] Sorcerer > [36] The Keep > 34 [20] Green Desert > [39] Atem > [30] Cyclone > [25] Thief > 38 [-] Electronic Meditations > [55] Great Wall Of China > 40 [41] Canyon Dreams > [15] Dream Mixes > [26] Oasis > [-] Transsiberia > ================================================== Albums that charted in June within the Top 40 that didn't make it in Bag's chart: 23 Le Parc 28 Epsilon in Malaysian Pale 29 What A Blast - Architecture in Motion 30 Zeit 34 Dream Dice EP 39 Miracle Mile Voting seems to be pretty consistent between the two charts, although I was very much surprised to see Tangram's fall from grace, after being such a runaway winner in June... Back to Radio Rak, and to let you all know that 'Astral Voyager' is back on the air this Friday at 10.00pm European time (you can get details of how to listen in at www.rak.krakow.pl). I'm playing Chris(topher) Franke, Andy Pickford, the Art of Noise, Pink Floyd, Vangelis, Mark Shreeve, Yanni and Paul Lawler, plus TD of course (Ultima Thule part 1... AND 2!!!) Finally, back to a question I posed a few days ago but nobody was able to give an answer... does anybody know what's happened to the TD guestbook? (I've been away folks since July, and I'm now so out of touch I still don't have a copy of Seven Letters From Tibet yet!) Nice to be back! Roger ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie From: 'Andrew Sharpe' Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 7:02 pm Subject: 1975 Coventry Cathedral Concert Hi, I'm new here. Does anyone know anything about the television recording made of the Coventry Cathedral concert in 1975. I attended this concert, and remember the cameras very well. I know an edited version was shown on BBC2, without it's original soundtrack (the played side A of Ricochet over the top of the visuals). I was also informed that a longer version was shown once on an ITV station with it's original soundtrack. Does anyone know where a videotape may be sourced? Many thanks AHES Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23979 Re: 1975 Coventry Cathedral Concert Phil Wingfield Thu 9/14/2000 2 KB 23981 Re: 1975 Coventry Cathedral Concert Marcel Engels Fri 9/15/2000 2 KB 23987 Re: 1975 Coventry Cathedral Concert Phil Wingfield Sat 9/16/2000 2 KB 24225 Re: 1975 Coventry Cathedral Concert Phil Wingfield Sat 10/7/2000 2 KB From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 9:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 1975 Coventry Cathedral Concert Been looking for this for some time. I saw a few minutes of it on 'All you need is Love' documentary in 1978. I have written to the BBC, as BBC2 aired the full thing but all I got was the video catalogue. I'll let you know if I have any luck but don't hold your breath. Phil.> > Hi, I'm new here. > > Does anyone know anything about the television recording made > of the Coventry Cathedral concert in 1975. I attended this concert, > and remember the cameras very well. I know an edited version > was shown on BBC2, without it's original soundtrack (the played > side A of Ricochet over the top of the visuals). I was also > informed that a longer version was shown once on an ITV station > with it's original soundtrack. Does anyone know where a > videotape may be sourced? > > Many thanks > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23981 Re: 1975 Coventry Cathedral Concert Marcel Engels Fri 9/15/2000 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord' Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 1:46 am Subject: SV: [tadream] EF GO HOME + DOES JEROME FROESE EXIST > Arguing is pointless unless there is something to win at stake. Nah, arguing in itself can be fruitful and enlightning. Its not always about convincing the other part or win something, but also about challenging your own views and others'. Since opinions is the only thing that can be argued over, go ahead and argue! glenn From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 5:06 am Subject: RE: [tadream] 1975 Coventry Cathedral Concert > From: Phil Wingfield [mailto:brainhurtz@c...] > > Been looking for this for some time. I saw a few minutes of it on 'All you > need is Love' documentary in 1978. I have written to the BBC, as > BBC2 aired > the full thing but all I got was the video catalogue. I'll let > you know if I > have any luck but don't hold your breath. I've never heard of this... At least not a version where you hear the real music that has been played. On my copy it has track 1 and a large piece of track 2 of Ricochet. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels/okefenokee mengels@w... From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 1:56 pm Subject: TD Matrioshka Dolls auction open Hi all, I've placed the TD matrioshka dolls from my swap list on ebay. Have a look at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=439107567 if you're interested. This is one of the rarest (and funniest) TD memorabilia ever ! Auction will be open for 7 days. cheers klaus -- Klaus.Beschorner........................work....+49-7033-45683 Drosselweg.6............................fax.....+49-7033-45631 D-71120.Grafenau........................Mobile.+49-171-7338969 Germany.................................home....+49-7033-45142 ............................................http://www.caby.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23983 Re: TD Matrioshka Dolls auction open Jim Moore Fri 9/15/2000 2 KB 23988 TD Matrioshka Dolls auction open Klaus Beschorner Sat 9/16/2000 2 KB 23989 Joel Mullen??? Where are you? Brian Frick Sat 9/16/2000 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 3:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Matrioshka Dolls auction open From: 'Klaus Beschorner' > I've placed the TD matrioshka dolls from my swap list on ebay. > if you're interested. This is one of the rarest (and funniest) > TD memorabilia ever ! Auction will be open for 7 days. I gotta ask: where did these come from? (And where's Jerome? haha!) - jim From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 4:31 pm Subject: About the banners I'm on digest mode and I don't get any... so maybe the whole list should go to digest mode and you can all be 3 weeks behind like me! *8-) Lawry (Still here, and one day soon will be up to date enough to actually join into a conversation again. Hello to all my old friends and apologies for not making the weekly chats... I'll try harder from next week!). NP - Antique Dreams... I like it, but I don't herald it as the second coming of TD... PS - My ELIVE posting is almost completed... should be posted later lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 5:23 pm Subject: E-Live 2000 Well, I'm just back from The Netherlands and as ever, I had a great time. So I thought I'd just jot a few words about my experience so that those who couldn't make it can at least hear about it second hand. Having previously attended the Alfa Centauri concerts which are held near to Amsterdam, I wasn't sure how easy it would be to get to Eindhoven at the other end of Holland, but thanks to the excellent Dutch public transport system, there were no troubles there... a train from the airport to Eindhoven, one and a half hours away, then a bus directly from the station to the theatre. It couldn't have been easier... Anyway, I arrived at about 11:30, the doors had already been opened and so I didn't have to queue. About 2 minutes after entering the hall, I bumped into Tom Coppens, which was a nice surprise. I wasn't sure that I'd see anyone that I knew there... obviously I knew Marcel and Ruud would be there, but I didn't think I would get much chance to talk to either of them as they were playing two concerts during the day. I'm constantly about 3 weeks behind on my email at the moment... far too much work and not enough play, so I didn't know if anyone from either list was going. So, a brief chat with Tom, then on my first CD buying mission... that was directly to the Groove stand and the purchase of Okefenokee Dreams by Marcel and Dave (now playing - comments later). Then it was time for the concerts to start. So, at 12:30 I had a choice of listening to either Electronische Maschine, or Free System Projekt & Ruud Heij. No contest. I made my way into the smaller room and took my seat next to Tom, in prime position to watch Marcel and Ruud flex those fingers. I said a quick hello to Ruud, who told me that he was suffering from the flu, and had been unsure earlier whether he would be able to play at all. Pictures, by the way, (of the concert's, not Ruud's flu) can be seen at http://www.thisolehouse.freeserve.co.uk/elive2000 They're not that good quality, but at least it gives you some idea. A warning that the whole page loads as one item, has no thumbnails and is about 650 Kb. Ok, back to the music... the pair were sat on the floor, so I suspect that people behind row 2 of the theatre couldn't see a darn thing! They also sat with their backs to the audience... great if you want to look at their gear, bad if you want to see how much the musicians enjoyed it. Having now listened to Okefenokee, I now recognise a variant of the track 'Cottage #3' as being one of the two long pieces that Marcel and Ruud played. It's hard to recall actual pieces of music, but I can remember my feelings. The atmosphere from this 'swamp music' had me slumped in my chair with my eyes closed, wishing the lights were out (mainly because Marcel's 'Brickie's Arse' was on show! heh heh) drifting in what felt like a cloud with little dancing sequences darting about like fireflies behind my eyes. I was quite sleepy at the time, and am unsure how much of the concert I was semi-conscious, how much was dream and how much was real, but I enjoyed it immensely, and wished I had been at Okefenokee to witness the creation of this music first hand. Marcel's Magic Mellotron (TM) samples in good use today too... Next I hotfooted into the main arena to see the curtains closing on Electonische Maschine, so I still have _never_ heard anything by them... though a few people have told me not to bother (Tom being one of them). So, a short wait before Ian Boddy came on with his two chums Markus Reuter and Nigel Mullaney. I'd previously seen Ian and Markus play together at Jodrell Bank, and really enjoyed some of Markus' playing on the Warr guitar. Here, the pair were accentuated by the loops and beats provided from the decks of Nigel. This was probably my favourite set of the day. The encore was a piece from Dub Atomica and it rocked. Most amusing was when the main set finished, the curtains closed and the lights came up almost instantly, at which point about 80% of the audience left the room... those of us that remained in our seats were treated to an ethereal north-eastern (UK) voice saying from behind the curtain 'Erm, there's one more piece actually...... Hello?'. I nearly wet myself, but I did feel really sorry for Ian. Eventually the curtains opened again, and the lights dropped. Ian asked if those of us left in there wanted him to play another piece... the answer was a resounding, if small, yes! I'd like to hear an album released by this collaborative trio. It turns out the smaller room in the theatre was actually a movie room too, and next they screened Bladerunner: The Director's Cut. I must admit, I think I saw this film back in the early eighties when I was probably too young to get it, and I didn't have a clue who Vangelis was. So I made a special effort (i.e. I walked 20 feet and sat on my arse) to go and watch the film in it's entirety. I thoroughly enjoyed it, though it is showing it's age now. The music was good too, really suited the mood of the film. Hey Kees, how about playing The Keep next year? *8-) After that I took my chance to head into the restaurant attached to be confronted by a menu entirely in Dutch. Luckily, it seems the whole country is fluent in English (a fact which makes me eternally embarrassed) so it wasn't hard to get a translation from the waitress. I actually wanted to sign up to learn Dutch at night school this year, but my local college doesn't teach it. So, Japanese it is... and I'll have to make do with my Easy Language CDROM to learn some Dutch for next year. Suitably refuelled, I travelled back into the main hall (think I was 15 minutes late) to see that Cosmic Hoffman had not yet started, so I was quite pleased with the late running, even if nobody else was! Is it just me that thinks Cosmic Hoffman looks like Jesus? *8-) He must be one of the nicest guys I've seen in EM. He always has a friendly word for the crowd, and seems to thoroughly enjoy the 'work' that he does. Again, I had seen him play before, but it was as a guest for a track with Pyramid Peak earlier in the year at Alfa Centauri. Here on stage he was joined by Stephen Parsick I really enjoyed this set. They played 3 tracks from 'Shiva Connection' and a couple of others that I failed to note the names of. Stephen's keyboard bits really helped fill the sound out. Klaus set his guitar down for a while and played on his Mellotron which broke the set up nicely. Some of the wailing guitar parts were straight out of a 70's prog rock band, which was nice. My next journey was to catch 10 minutes of Lambert and Hardy in the small hall. I did not enjoy this one bit. I have heard some of Lambert's work before and quite liked some of his very melodic stuff. At this concert though, I found the whole thing to be completely unimaginative. The lead solos were comprised exclusively of quavers. No variation, no expression. The sequences were again really uniform, unchanging and unimaginative single layers. I'm so used to artists pulling off really good multilayered sequences that this was really boring. To top it all off, there were so many mistakes in the playing that it started to really annoy me. I don't mind hearing bum notes here and there, indeed, when I used to play live I was a bum note expert, but this was beyond a joke. It was as though neither musician was comfortable enough to play live, and this really disappointed me. I didn't hang around. So, back to the main hall to catch the last concert of the day, Steve Roach. I had never heard anything by Steve, but as some people had compared him to Robert Rich (whom I saw at Alfa this year) and I thought RR was complete pants, I wasn't expecting too much. Which is a good thing, as I wasn't disappointed. To me, shaking a bag of walnuts at a microphone is not making music. I believe that this style of music is popular with Americans, and to be fair, it did seem to go down well with most of the people there, but I need a whole heap of melody to interest me. Admittedly, some of the rhythmic parts were quite good, and interesting in themselves, but on the whole I can't say I enjoyed the set. In fact I had to leave early to get the bus back to Eindhoven, and I was not at all upset at not seeing the whole show. Despite the fact that I didn't really enjoy the last hour of the day, I would definitely recommend the trip to anyone. It wasn't quite the social event that Alfa Centauri has become for BEM'ers and TD'ers, but that was probably because there were only a couple of the regulars there. I did have a fantastic time in Holland again though. I had a nice stilted conversation with Mario Schonwalder too... he has used some of my photo's from Jodrell Bank for the cover of the album of the concert, so we had a nice chat about that, even though his English is far from good.. though of course, it's infinitely better than my German! *8-) The E-Live breakdown ------------------------------- Return flight to Amsterdam approx. 240 NLG Return train from Amsterdam to Eindhoven 66 NLG Hotel in Eindhoven 2 nights 185 NLG 2 CD's purchased 60 NLG Ticket for E-LIVE about 40 NLG? I've forgotten (my cheapest expense! *8-) ) Grand total of around 600 NLG or £166 for a 2 day trip to The Netherlands including a full day's concert. Cheap at half the price! *8-) Regards, Lawry lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 24013 TD in the TV (german 2nd programm) Rainer Rutka Mon 9/18/2000 2 KB From: Rainer Rutka Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 10:53 pm Subject: Ground Liftaz Site open (TDI sub-lable) HI! TDI's GROUND LIFTAZ website opened! See my links-page: 'www.rutka.de/td' -> TD-Links or 'www.ground-liftaz.de/' I did an update of my site, too ;-) Rainer rainer@k... --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Phil Wingfield' Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 12:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 1975 Coventry Cathedral Concert You have a copy of this?? Is it on PAL? Can I get a copy?? Phil. > > > > Been looking for this for some time. I saw a few minutes of it on 'All you > > need is Love' documentary in 1978. I have written to the BBC, as > > BBC2 aired > > the full thing but all I got was the video catalogue. I'll let > > you know if I > > have any luck but don't hold your breath. > > I've never heard of this... > At least not a version where you hear the real > music that has been played. > On my copy it has track 1 and a large piece of track 2 > of Ricochet. > > Marcel From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 9:58 am Subject: TD Matrioshka Dolls auction open >I gotta ask: where did these come from? >(And where's Jerome? haha!) They come from the Ukraine, originally. My best guess for the four dolls is Edgar-Chris-Peter-Jerome-Paul. cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23989 Joel Mullen??? Where are you? Brian Frick Sat 9/16/2000 2 KB From: Brian Frick Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 1:19 pm Subject: Joel Mullen??? Where are you? Hi! I was wondering if anyone has heard from Joel Mullen in the past few months. I'm awaiting some help from him with regard to acquiring some CDs, and he's not responded to my emails since June. I've also noticed he's not been writing to the list as of late, so I'm wondering if anyone could send me some leads in private. Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, - Brian From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 4:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Ground Liftaz Site open (TDI sub-lable) Rainer, Thanks very much for this information! It looks like a pretty interesting project. I'm curious: just how is Jerome as a DJ, anyway? Is he average, or actually pretty good? Can anybody here who has ever seen/heard one of his DJ shows comment? (same goes for the other 2 Ground Liftaz guys, DJs Rescue and Mac Phil) I also wonder if the three of them will be collaborating often, or if they'll be working independently most of the time. For Jerome especially, will this be mostly a side project, or could this be a 21st Century TD, with a complete overhaul of both image and style? How much of a melding can we expect--will TD become even more techno-oriented, will Ground Liftaz be drum 'n' bass with a TD edge? It sure makes me more than a little resentful I can't be at the Kalkscheune event. I guess I'm most anxious to know if, after having worked with these two guys, Jerome will be adding more meat to his Dream Mixes, making them more serious techno that can actually be compared favourably to what's out there now. Given the fact that Dream Mixes 3 will be issued on vinyl as well, it's certainly tempting to think this one is being prepared for an audience beyond just the regular TD fanbase. Gabe ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: 'Lawry Simm' Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 9:13 pm Subject: Discussion Week 53 - Sunday 17th September 2000 This week is the turn of Quinoa (Extended). Please make your subject read 'D:Studio [Quinoa]' when posting comments and reviews. After years of mentally pronouncing this 'kwinohah' I was astonished to learn it's pronounced 'Keenwah'. You learn something new every day! I'll also be posting a revised schedule this week which contains all the new releases since the original schedule was put together. Regards, Lawry lawry.simm@f... ICQ # 23267226 Instant Messenger - lawrysimm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23998 Re: Discussion Week 53 - Sunday 17th September 20 j.gordon Sun 9/17/2000 2 KB From: 'Feldon Feldon' Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 10:41 pm Subject: D: Quinoa [Extended] >From: 'Lawry Simm' > >This week is the turn of Quinoa (Extended). Please make your subject >read 'D:Studio [Quinoa]' when posting comments and reviews. After >years of mentally pronouncing this 'kwinohah' I was astonished to >learn it's pronounced 'Keenwah'. You learn something new every day! The bastardization of the English language always amazes me. At least in French everything is pronounced the way it's spelled and no exceptions are permitted. Quinoa was given to members of the Tangerine Dream North American fan club when it disbanded (1990 right?). It contained one 35-something minute track which was essentially a preview of what would become 220 Volt live. In some places, it's quite different, in other places it's almost identical. As a piece, I like it. Quinoa was never intended to be available to the general public, it was ONLY for the North American fan club. To the distress of those fans, Edgar released Quinoa in an 'Extended' form in 1997. It added two tracks. Voxel Ux, a track which was part of a contest the year earlier involving something like 12 people each receiving a 1 minute numbered CD with a part of the track, and then without mailing the CDs to each other, it had to be assembled into the completed track and mailed to Edgar by a certain date. Anyway, so Voxel Ux appears on this CD along with Quinoa, and a new 'Nouveaux Classical' piece by Edgar called Lhasa. I don't think either Voxel Ux or Lhasa are remarkable in any way. That's all I know! -Morgan _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23993 Re: D: Quinoa [Extended] Steve Sat 9/16/2000 2 KB From: 'Steve' Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 11:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D: Quinoa [Extended] Morgan said: > The bastardization of the English language always amazes me. At least in > French everything is pronounced the way it's spelled and no > exceptions are permitted. Uh, the problem here is not the English language, but the fact that a native English speaker seeing the word in print would assume the pronunciation to be 'kwinohah' unless advised otherwise. From the proper pronunciation of the word it's clear that it's not an English word - without advice from those who know, how are we to figure out how to pronounce it? I rather like the way that English pronunciation tries to trip you up - it keeps everyone (including the English) on their toes. How would you say 'Ulgham' (it's a village in Northumberland)? Steve http://www.beartrap.btinternet.co.uk/ From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Sep 17, 2000 7:26 am Subject: Re;D:Studio Quinoa[Extended] Hi all Quinoa I quite like always been a fan of longer pieces and this is the longest piece they have done studio wise since Chris left,the style of it seems to me quite different from the rest of the releases of this period I dont know why but it reminds me of the laid back sound of Underwater Sunlight.Voxel ux is another surprisingly good piece, unfortunately it finishes with Lhasa that does not do much for me I hope the rest of Seven Letters is better than this. Cheers Gary. From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sun Sep 17, 2000 10:36 am Subject: The Seven Letters From Tibet This album is far more enchanting, interesting, and well done on many levels than I thought it would be... perhaps it is too mellow for those who love the driving sequencer school, I , myself like the Virgin years the best, but am starting to come around on recent TD. With Mars Polaris and this album coming out I have regained respect for Edgar and Jerome's work. This album has many startling chord and key changes, and IMO a sense of maturity in the composing. I think it's good all the way through...Now HERE'S the Epsilon 2000 I was looking for. (though not in an obvious 'whole bunch of mellotron' literal translation) This feels really organic to me. not as stilted and 'copy and paste' as some other works have had (IMO) ... I applaud Edgar for evolving and continuing to change approaches with the new works. I've received about 15 new electronic music CD's in the last couple days and this is the one I've reached for the most. Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23996 Re: The Seven Letters From Tibet tom george Sun 9/17/2000 2 KB 23997 Re: The Seven Letters From Tibet Gabe Yedid Sun 9/17/2000 4 KB 23999 Re: The Seven Letters From Tibet odean@e... Sun 9/17/2000 2 KB 24010 The Keep (Event Horizon), Future Music CD Rainer Rutka Mon 9/18/2000 2 KB 24036 The Seven Letters From Tibet Vic Rek Wed 9/20/2000 2 KB 24040 Re: The Seven Letters From Tibet Heiko Heerssen Wed 9/20/2000 3 KB 24048 Re: The Seven Letters From Tibet grafzeigen Wed 9/20/2000 3 KB From: 'tom george' Date: Sun Sep 17, 2000 1:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Seven Letters From Tibet hear hear, i highly agree. the first song is just awesome. to me it would be the most perfect song for a scary movie soundtrack. all in all my most favorite of the recent releases. also i just got my package from Groove with the t-shirt. the shirt looks great and the cd is even autographed by Edgar and Jerome. well worth $30.00. tom >This album is far more enchanting, interesting, and well done on >many levels than I thought it would be. I've received about 15 new electronic music >CD's in the last couple days and this is the one I've reached for the most. >Poly Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com From: Gabe Yedid Date: Sun Sep 17, 2000 6:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The Seven Letters From Tibet Not that I'm criticizing anybody's taste or anything here (maybe I am, and I'm in denial!), but I feel that it's important to give any album a number of good, deep listens before coming out with any kind of opinion about it, and this is especially true with regard to recent TD albums IMO. _Rubycon_ and _Hyperborea_ used to be among my favourite TD albums, and I hardly ever listen to them at all anymore; it's like I saw something in them that, upon deeper reflection, wasn't really there. Same goes for albums like _What A Blast_ and _Transsiberia_, which, although they have a few really good tracks, are actually pretty weak albums. _Melrose_, on the other hand, I liked instantly when I first got it 5 years ago, and I feel secure enough in my feelings towards it to say that it'll probably be my all-time favourite TD for years to come, maybe forever. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that there's nothing quite like that unplesant feeling you get when you listen to an album you thought you liked for many years, and suddenly, it seems like you were lied to. What you saw/heard in it was just an illusion, and it no longer holds any appeal for you--and you wonder if it ever really did, or if you were just convincing yourself it was something it wasn't. It's sort of like the difference between actually being in love, and being in love with the concept of being in a relationship. Having said all that, I hope to be receiving _7 Letters_ sometime this week, and I suppose I'll be weighing in with my opinions soon enough. How long I will hold them, I can't say. Gabe >===== Original Message From Synthhtnys@a... ===== > >This album is far more enchanting, interesting, and well done on >many levels than I thought it would be... perhaps it is too mellow >for those who love the driving sequencer school, I , myself like the >Virgin years the best, but am starting to come around on recent TD. >With Mars Polaris and this album coming out I have regained respect for >Edgar and Jerome's work. This album has many startling chord and key changes, >and IMO a sense of maturity in the composing. I think it's good all the way >through...Now HERE'S the Epsilon 2000 I was looking for. >(though not in an obvious 'whole bunch of mellotron' literal translation) >This feels really organic to me. not as stilted and 'copy and paste' >as some other works have had (IMO) ... >I applaud Edgar for evolving and continuing to change approaches >with the new works. I've received about 15 new electronic music >CD's in the last couple days and this is the one I've reached for the most. >Poly ------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. ------------------------------------------------------------ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 23999 Re: The Seven Letters From Tibet odean@e... Sun 9/17/2000 2 KB 24010 The Keep (Event Horizon), Future Music CD Rainer Rutka Mon 9/18/2000 2 KB From: 'j.gordon' Date: Sun Sep 17, 2000 6:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Discussion Week 53 - Sunday 17th September 2000 --- Lawry Simm wrote: > This week is the turn of Quinoa (Extended). Please make your subject > read 'D:Studio [Quinoa]' when posting comments and reviews. After > years of mentally pronouncing this 'kwinohah' I was astonished to > learn it's pronounced 'Keenwah'. You learn something new every day! for those people who participate in penumbra culture, quinoa is a staple in the diet... quite tasty, in fact... however, there are others... merriam webster gives this definition: a pigweed (Chenopodium quinoa) of the high Andes whose seeds are ground and widely used as food in Peru whether edgar intended the title this way or not, i'm not sure... maybe this was his way of going against the grain... =) j.gordon ps sorry for the corny joke... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From: odean@e... Date: Sun Sep 17, 2000 11:36 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] The Seven Letters From Tibet At 02:30 PM 9/17/00 -0400, you wrote: >I guess what I'm trying to get at is that there's nothing quite like that >unplesant feeling you get when you listen to an album you thought you liked >for many years, and suddenly, it seems like you were lied to. What you >saw/heard in it was just an illusion, and it no longer holds any appeal for >you--and you wonder if it ever really did, or if you were just convincing >yourself it was something it wasn't. But don't forget, once the music is out, it will still be the same recording many years later. The listener on the other hand is constantly changing so their views on everything may often change. Just another 2 cents. >Gabe Oscar http://www.TheVirtualBiz.com np: Hawkwind - In Search of Space From: 'Andrew Sharpe' Date: Sun Sep 17, 2000 10:23 pm Subject: Ricochet Forgive me if this is an old topic, but I am new here. I am really asking this because I was surprised to see that Ricochet was voted as favourite album, even after all these years. At the beginning of the second side of Ricochet a stuttering handclap is heard before the music starts. Now, I believe that those were my handclaps. Its a fairly long story, but bear with me. A group of us went to the Coventry Cathedral concert in 1975. We arrived very early and spent most of the afternoon in and around the cathedral. During the afternoon whilst sitting in the cathedral staring at the three banks of keyboards and synthesizers, out came Froese, Franke and Baumann and proceeded to reherse in front of us. Needless to say this impromptu concert was very welcome, and both we and they seemed to enjoy it. At the end I and, I think, one other of our party began to applaud, which quickly fizzled out when we became aware that nobody else was joining in. This, I believe, is the source of the brief clapping at the beginning of the track on Ricochet. Now this raises some other observations. As we all know the basis of Ricochet was concert material somewhat reworked later in the studio. Does this mean that they were recording the session I have described for later use on the album? Not really concert material! Also does it show an interesting playfulness on the part of TD to insert this applause on the album, as a kind of WOW, DAMNATION WITH FAINT PRAISE. Anyway, this may be of interest to some, or I may have been deluding myself all these years and someone may be able to tell me the real origin of this applause. Sorry if this is a boring old subject, but thats me! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 24177 Re: Ricochet Andrew Sharpe Mon 10/2/2000 4 KB 24179 Re: Ricochet Marcel Engels Mon 10/2/2000 2 KB 24181 Re: Ricochet Steve Mon 10/2/2000 3 KB 24195 Re: Ricochet Andrew Sharpe Tue 10/3/2000 2 KB 24197 220V remaster Matthew Stringer Tue 10/3/2000 2 KB 24201 Re: Ricochet Armin Theissen Wed 10/4/2000 2 KB